From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Apr 8 16:37:52 2002 Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@daffodil [137.205.192.30]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g38Fbpd18327 for <suaaz@mail.csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 16:37:51 +0100 (BST) Received: from agave.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@agave [137.205.192.52]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g38FWB718560; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 16:32:11 +0100 (BST) Received: from agave.csv.warwick.ac.uk (daemon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by agave.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.12.0/8.12.0) with ESMTP id g38FPgQR027514 for <britdisc-outgoing@agave.csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 16:25:42 +0100 (BST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by agave.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.12.0/8.12.0/Submit) id g38FPglw027513 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 16:25:42 +0100 (BST) Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@daffodil [137.205.192.30]) by agave.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.12.0/8.12.0) with ESMTP id g38FPfQR027508 for <britdisc-real@majordomo.csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 16:25:41 +0100 (BST) Received: from hotmail.com (f247.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.247]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g38FPe717180 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 16:25:40 +0100 (BST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 08:25:34 -0700 Received: from 193.117.216.10 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 08 Apr 2002 15:25:34 GMT X-Originating-IP: [193.117.216.10] From: "Andy Cox" <andycox23@hotmail.com> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Re: The Tour/Relegation Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2002 15:25:34 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: <F247RyqwdpOTziwi7Qf0000e22b@hotmail.com> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Apr 2002 15:25:34.0854 (UTC) FILETIME=[A0D07A60:01C1DF11] Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Now seems like an appropriate time: I've found a possible venue for a tournament over the summer and I'm thinking of hosting something in the shadow of the worlds for something for "the rest of us" to do. Obviously this does count on there being enough interest from people who are left behind to organise themselves... so could anyone who thinks they've got a good chance of getting a team together for the weekend of the 3rd/4th August please let me know so I can get an idea of numbers? I'm thinking along the lines of what the Sharks run so successfully in their RumouR tournament in Chipping Norton; team fees lower than the Tour, (hopefully) food provided on site, drinking games, hack competitions and anything else that comes to mind which I have the patience to organise! Looking forward to a flooded email account, Angie (SkuMy, Skunks, whoever'll have me) >From: "Ben Ravilious" <ben@ravilious.net> >To: <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> >Subject: Re: The Tour/Relegation >Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 15:58:39 +0100 > >Simon, > >We are fully aware of the problem you have brought up and will be >discussing >it at a board meeting this weekend and at further meetings of the >competitions committee. > >Your indignation is justified but there are some very simple reasons why >things have turned out like this and I don't think blaming the top teams >for >this is particularly fair - they have done nothing wrong. > >An open debate on ways to allow the national competitions to grow flexibly >would be most welcome this week. > >I believe the current UK Ultimate officers are more than capable of >devising >a system which fits everyones needs - however previous attempts to do this >were scotched by various groups on the argument that divisionalisation of >our national competitions was somehow 'unfair' on the lower teams. > >I would dispute your claim that the fun tournaments are in decline. I quick >glance down the diary at www.ukultimate.com revealed eight unnofficial >events listed already this year and I'm sure there will be more. I would >think 'fun' teams fixation with entering inappropriate Tour events is more >of a problem though I accept there is a need to organise the lower end of >the tour better. > >Watch this space.... > >Ben >UK Ultimate > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Simon Statham" <Simon_Statham@birmingham.gov.uk> >To: <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> >Sent: 08 April 2002 14:54 >Subject: The Tour/Relegation > > > > Carrying on from a debate that was raging a few weeks ago about the >future >of > > the Tour etc., with the possibilities of having an upper and lower tier >etc. At > > the time I didn't really have an opinion, I thought it was all going ok. > > > > But now I read that there are 48 teams entered in Tour 1 and that it is >likely > > that there will have to be relegation of some of the bottom teams >because >Tour 2 > > and Tour 3 can't accommodate this number of teams, or that more than 48 >teams > > wanted to enter so the others are given a chance in the other Tours. I >have to > > ask what happens to the teams who are relegated from Tour 1? When and >where do > > they get to play their Ulitimate over the summer? > > > > I am sure that I am not alone in noticing the decline in the number of >'fun' or > > non-official tournaments being hosted over the summer, what with the >Tour >and > > the Mixed Tour running every 2nd weekend. People don't seem to want to >play 3 > > weekends in a row, so the weekeds between official tournaments are not >used for > > non-official events. So, if a team gets relegated from Tour 1 and they >don't > > have enough girls to play in the Mixed Tour (and we know there are a >distinct > > lack of girls, seeing as everyone fights to pick-up more girls the days >before > > the tournaments!), they won't get to play again until Tour 4 in late >July! >This > > just seems crazy to me. > > > > If the Tour is so popular, why can't 2 tournaments be held on the same >weekends > > over the summer, having a top tier (top 32 or so teams?) and a bottom >tier >(the > > rest). There could be promotion/relegation between the tournaments, but >at > > least if you get relegated you just go to the other tournament the next >month, > > and are not just excluded. This will provide more tournaments for teams >to go > > to in the year, encourage newer teams and players to come to the Tour, >provide > > some genuine incentive for lower teams to do well and improve as well as >giving > > all teams a truer picture of where they stand in the national rankings > > (especially if they're not in the top 16). > > > > I obviously raise this from a partly selfish point of view as Slipdisc >are >one > > of those teams who don't have enough girls to play in the Mixed Tour, so >we rely > > on the open Tour events as pretty much the only tournaments we can get >to >April > > to July. This year we will have a 1st and 2nd team, the 1st team will >be >ok but > > the 2nd team could well be fighting down in these relegation places. If >they do > > get relegated we'll have around 30 players and only able to enter 1 >team, >so > > half our sqaud will have to stay at home. > > > > Something needs to be done if there are that many teams out there >wanting >to > > play in competitive events. I don't believe it is too late to do this >this > > summer, if the venues can be found, after Tour 1 cut off at the top 24 >or >32 > > teams and run another tournament for the lower teams. Or would this >mean >less > > profit for TDs? The "I'm alright, Jack" attitude of the top teams has >got >to > > change for the benefit of the rest of us or nothing will have changed at >all in > > the way that the game is run in this Country. > > > > Si > > (Slipdisc) > > > > > > > > > > ********************************************************************** > > This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and > > intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they > > are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify > > the system manager. > > > > This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by > > MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. > > > > www.mimesweeper.com > > ********************************************************************** > > > _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com