From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Apr 8 17:37:10 2002 Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@daffodil [137.205.192.30]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g38Gb9d27104 for <suaaz@mail.csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 17:37:09 +0100 (BST) Received: from agave.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@agave [137.205.192.52]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g38GW6700430; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 17:32:06 +0100 (BST) Received: from agave.csv.warwick.ac.uk (daemon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by agave.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.12.0/8.12.0) with ESMTP id g38GR3QR027855 for <britdisc-outgoing@agave.csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 17:27:03 +0100 (BST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by agave.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.12.0/8.12.0/Submit) id g38GR2KJ027854 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 17:27:02 +0100 (BST) Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@snowdrop [137.205.192.31]) by agave.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.12.0/8.12.0) with ESMTP id g38GR2QR027849 for <britdisc-real@majordomo.csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 17:27:02 +0100 (BST) Received: from hotmail.com (f211.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.211]) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g38GR1t10277 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 17:27:01 +0100 (BST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 09:26:55 -0700 Received: from 193.117.216.10 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 08 Apr 2002 16:26:54 GMT X-Originating-IP: [193.117.216.10] From: "Andy Cox" <andycox23@hotmail.com> To: colin@webswappers.com, britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Re: The Tour/Relegation Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2002 16:26:54 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: <F211lcwgF9FadponA0i0000eee5@hotmail.com> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Apr 2002 16:26:55.0193 (UTC) FILETIME=[3277A490:01C1DF1A] Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Fair point! It'll be on the North edge of Reading. >From: "Colin Smith" <colin@webswappers.com> >Reply-To: "Colin Smith" <colin@webswappers.com> >To: "Andy Cox" <andycox23@hotmail.com> >Subject: Re: The Tour/Relegation >Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 17:24:54 +0100 > >Sounds good, but where is it? > >Cheers >Colin > >ZOO >Hammerage >SPU, etc. > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Andy Cox" <andycox23@hotmail.com> >To: <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> >Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 3:25 PM >Subject: Re: The Tour/Relegation > > > > Now seems like an appropriate time: > > > > I've found a possible venue for a tournament over the summer and I'm > > thinking of hosting something in the shadow of the worlds for something >for > > "the rest of us" to do. > > > > Obviously this does count on there being enough interest from people who >are > > left behind to organise themselves... so could anyone who thinks they've >got > > a good chance of getting a team together for the weekend of the 3rd/4th > > August please let me know so I can get an idea of numbers? > > > > I'm thinking along the lines of what the Sharks run so successfully in >their > > RumouR tournament in Chipping Norton; team fees lower than the Tour, > > (hopefully) food provided on site, drinking games, hack competitions and > > anything else that comes to mind which I have the patience to organise! > > > > Looking forward to a flooded email account, > > > > Angie > > (SkuMy, Skunks, whoever'll have me) > > > > > > >From: "Ben Ravilious" <ben@ravilious.net> > > >To: <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> > > >Subject: Re: The Tour/Relegation > > >Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 15:58:39 +0100 > > > > > >Simon, > > > > > >We are fully aware of the problem you have brought up and will be > > >discussing > > >it at a board meeting this weekend and at further meetings of the > > >competitions committee. > > > > > >Your indignation is justified but there are some very simple reasons >why > > >things have turned out like this and I don't think blaming the top >teams > > >for > > >this is particularly fair - they have done nothing wrong. > > > > > >An open debate on ways to allow the national competitions to grow >flexibly > > >would be most welcome this week. > > > > > >I believe the current UK Ultimate officers are more than capable of > > >devising > > >a system which fits everyones needs - however previous attempts to do >this > > >were scotched by various groups on the argument that divisionalisation >of > > >our national competitions was somehow 'unfair' on the lower teams. > > > > > >I would dispute your claim that the fun tournaments are in decline. I >quick > > >glance down the diary at www.ukultimate.com revealed eight unnofficial > > >events listed already this year and I'm sure there will be more. I >would > > >think 'fun' teams fixation with entering inappropriate Tour events is >more > > >of a problem though I accept there is a need to organise the lower end >of > > >the tour better. > > > > > >Watch this space.... > > > > > >Ben > > >UK Ultimate > > > > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "Simon Statham" <Simon_Statham@birmingham.gov.uk> > > >To: <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> > > >Sent: 08 April 2002 14:54 > > >Subject: The Tour/Relegation > > > > > > > > > > Carrying on from a debate that was raging a few weeks ago about the > > >future > > >of > > > > the Tour etc., with the possibilities of having an upper and lower >tier > > >etc. At > > > > the time I didn't really have an opinion, I thought it was all going >ok. > > > > > > > > But now I read that there are 48 teams entered in Tour 1 and that it >is > > >likely > > > > that there will have to be relegation of some of the bottom teams > > >because > > >Tour 2 > > > > and Tour 3 can't accommodate this number of teams, or that more than >48 > > >teams > > > > wanted to enter so the others are given a chance in the other Tours. >I > > >have to > > > > ask what happens to the teams who are relegated from Tour 1? When >and > > >where do > > > > they get to play their Ulitimate over the summer? > > > > > > > > I am sure that I am not alone in noticing the decline in the number >of > > >'fun' or > > > > non-official tournaments being hosted over the summer, what with the > > >Tour > > >and > > > > the Mixed Tour running every 2nd weekend. People don't seem to want >to > > >play 3 > > > > weekends in a row, so the weekeds between official tournaments are >not > > >used for > > > > non-official events. So, if a team gets relegated from Tour 1 and >they > > >don't > > > > have enough girls to play in the Mixed Tour (and we know there are a > > >distinct > > > > lack of girls, seeing as everyone fights to pick-up more girls the >days > > >before > > > > the tournaments!), they won't get to play again until Tour 4 in late > > >July! > > >This > > > > just seems crazy to me. > > > > > > > > If the Tour is so popular, why can't 2 tournaments be held on the >same > > >weekends > > > > over the summer, having a top tier (top 32 or so teams?) and a >bottom > > >tier > > >(the > > > > rest). There could be promotion/relegation between the tournaments, >but > > >at > > > > least if you get relegated you just go to the other tournament the >next > > >month, > > > > and are not just excluded. This will provide more tournaments for >teams > > >to go > > > > to in the year, encourage newer teams and players to come to the >Tour, > > >provide > > > > some genuine incentive for lower teams to do well and improve as >well >as > > >giving > > > > all teams a truer picture of where they stand in the national >rankings > > > > (especially if they're not in the top 16). > > > > > > > > I obviously raise this from a partly selfish point of view as >Slipdisc > > >are > > >one > > > > of those teams who don't have enough girls to play in the Mixed >Tour, >so > > >we rely > > > > on the open Tour events as pretty much the only tournaments we can >get > > >to > > >April > > > > to July. This year we will have a 1st and 2nd team, the 1st team >will > > >be > > >ok but > > > > the 2nd team could well be fighting down in these relegation places. >If > > >they do > > > > get relegated we'll have around 30 players and only able to enter 1 > > >team, > > >so > > > > half our sqaud will have to stay at home. > > > > > > > > Something needs to be done if there are that many teams out there > > >wanting > > >to > > > > play in competitive events. I don't believe it is too late to do >this > > >this > > > > summer, if the venues can be found, after Tour 1 cut off at the top >24 > > >or > > >32 > > > > teams and run another tournament for the lower teams. Or would this > > >mean > > >less > > > > profit for TDs? The "I'm alright, Jack" attitude of the top teams >has > > >got > > >to > > > > change for the benefit of the rest of us or nothing will have >changed >at > > >all in > > > > the way that the game is run in this Country. > > > > > > > > Si > > > > (Slipdisc) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >********************************************************************** > > > > This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and > > > > intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they > > > > are addressed. 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