From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri May 10 11:39:21 2002 Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@daffodil [137.205.192.30]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g4AAdJI27998 for <suaaz@mail.csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Fri, 10 May 2002 11:39:19 +0100 (BST) Received: from agave.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@agave [137.205.192.52]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g4AAYIY27265; Fri, 10 May 2002 11:34:18 +0100 (BST) Received: from agave.csv.warwick.ac.uk (daemon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by agave.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.12.0/8.12.0) with ESMTP id g4AARtQR021435 for <britdisc-outgoing@agave.csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Fri, 10 May 2002 11:27:55 +0100 (BST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by agave.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.12.0/8.12.0/Submit) id g4AARtqw021434 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 10 May 2002 11:27:55 +0100 (BST) Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@snowdrop [137.205.192.31]) by agave.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.12.0/8.12.0) with ESMTP id g4AARsQR021429 for <britdisc-real@majordomo.csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Fri, 10 May 2002 11:27:54 +0100 (BST) Received: from hotmail.com (f252.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.236.130]) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g4AARrt05888 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Fri, 10 May 2002 11:27:53 +0100 (BST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 10 May 2002 03:27:47 -0700 Received: from 217.35.153.74 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 10 May 2002 10:27:47 GMT X-Originating-IP: [217.35.153.74] From: "Jonty Leese" <jontyleese@hotmail.com> To: student-ultimate@yahoogroups.com Cc: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Medical Cover At Tournaments Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 10:27:47 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: <F252sjTjd9qcCINhMh70000ee4e@hotmail.com> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 May 2002 10:27:47.0346 (UTC) FILETIME=[542B1F20:01C1F80D] Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk It appears to me that medical cover is not provided at tournaments for one of two reasons: 1) The cost is prohibitive 2) The tournament directors make a profit (Not aimed at any t.d. in particular) at the expense of medical care. On the issue of medical care, I have taken the initiative and done some searching on costs. I contacted St John's Nottingham about getting an example quote for the last tournament (SNOUT) with the facts as: Tournament on 4 - 5 May 2 day's cover needed: Sat and Sun, 9 am - 6pm on both days. Injuries seen are mainly grazes, sprains, and occasional broken bones and the like. The estimate cost for this will be approximately £160 for the weekend (£80 a day) for 2 St John Ambulance people. The maximum cost envisaged will be £110 a day (+ VAT) , but this will be the highest cost. To me this sounds like very good value, with the cost per day being as little as 27 pence a day, or just over 50 pence for the weekend per player. This extra cost seems to be very important for the reassurance a St John's medic will bring. Extra Facts: Each county has different policies on payment so this is not a UK standard There are national standards in place towards the running of such events - such as the Green guide (A guide to safety at sports grounds by the Health and Safety Executive) and its colourful companion the purple guide (the event safety guide, a guide to health and safety and welfare at music and similar events). The purple guide lays down a basic structure and guide for first aid cover, which the green guide does not stipulate so much. Ultimately (no pun intended) it may be worth getting a risk assessment for the event. To me it appears that by setting up some official guidelines now will result in the level of first aid cover being up to the standard of relevant guidance. Finally the ultimate choice is to be prepared to be sued by a competitor because the t.d. did not arrange first aid cover and done a appropriate risk assessment. Are any t.d's willing to go to the courts and answer why appropriate HSE guidance was not followed. Can anyone confirm if t.d.'s are aware of this literature and more importantly implement the minimum standards? I admit I was not aware of them when I was a t.d. for the Loughborough nationals this year. Your comments please. Jonty Leese Ex-Purple Haze Now Free Agent _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com