From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sat Aug 31 15:12:44 1996 Received: from mail.dcs.warwick.ac.uk by stone.dcs.warwick.ac.uk; Sat, 31 Aug 1996 15:12:42 +0100 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by mail.dcs.warwick.ac.uk; Sat, 31 Aug 1996 15:12:39 +0100 Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id PAA05187; Sat, 31 Aug 1996 15:09:30 +0100 (BST) Received: from arl-img-2.compuserve.com by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id PAA05174; Sat, 31 Aug 1996 15:09:19 +0100 (BST) Received: by arl-img-2.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id KAA00572; Sat, 31 Aug 1996 10:08:40 -0400 Date: 31 Aug 96 10:05:43 EDT From: Jim McDonnell <100422.1474@CompuServe.COM> To: Britdisc Subject: Discs? Message-ID: <960831140543_100422.1474_JHU100-2@CompuServe.COM> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Status: RO Does anyone have either a contact email or snail mail for Charlie Mead - I'm starting a school team, and our head has agreed to buy 30 or so discs for us. So I want to know if Charlie has any cheap World's discs left. Failing that, does anyone know or want to volunteer to sell us 30 discs at a bargain price? Offers please - and could you pass this around to anyone you might know who isn't on BritDisc yet? Cheers - Jim From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Sep 2 08:28:30 1996 Received: from mail.dcs.warwick.ac.uk by stone.dcs.warwick.ac.uk; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 08:28:29 +0100 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by mail.dcs.warwick.ac.uk; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 08:28:27 +0100 Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id IAA01002; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 08:24:32 +0100 (BST) Received: from violet.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id IAA00975; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 08:23:56 +0100 (BST) Received: from chalmers.se by violet.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id HAA29231; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 07:03:39 +0100 (BST) Received: from hpvk.vsect.chalmers.se (hpvk.vsect.chalmers.se [129.16.170.30]) by chalmers.se (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA29184 for ; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 07:59:58 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <9609020737.AA04890@hpvk.vsect.chalmers.se> Received: from jon.ste.chalmers.se by hpvk.vsect.chalmers.se (1.37.109.4/3.14+gl) id AA04890; Mon, 2 Sep 96 09:37:59 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 2 Sep 1996 08:01:19 +0100 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: csede@ste.chalmers.se (Dan Engstrom) Subject: Re: Discs? Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Status: RO Jim, Try c.mead@midnet.com for Charlie Mead. Cheers, Dan Engstrom From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Sep 2 12:14:34 1996 Received: from mail.dcs.warwick.ac.uk by stone.dcs.warwick.ac.uk; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 12:14:28 +0100 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by mail.dcs.warwick.ac.uk; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 12:14:24 +0100 Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id MAA09324; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 12:13:52 +0100 (BST) Received: from pillar.elsevier.co.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id MAA09317; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 12:13:46 +0100 (BST) Received: from snowdon.elsevier.co.uk (snowdon.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.197.164]) by pillar.elsevier.co.uk (8.6.13/8.6.12) with ESMTP id MAA11579 for ; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 12:11:10 +0100 Received: from ELSEVIER.CO.UK (actually host eslgate) by snowdon with SMTP (PP); Mon, 2 Sep 1996 12:12:31 +0100 Received: from ES#u#OXF-Message_Server by ELSEVIER.CO.UK with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 02 Sep 1996 11:34:59 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 02 Sep 1996 11:41:31 +0100 From: Toby Green To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Golden Autumn Disc Golf Tournament at Whitcombe Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Status: RO October 12th & 13th Whitcombe Farm Beaminster Dorset Come and play the chains at Britain's loveliest disc golf course, in autumn splendour. Accommodation in the Summer House - ?5 per adult per night Camping - free Bring your own food. Tournament fees: Adults ?15 BDGA Members ?12 Unwaged ?10 Let me know if you're coming, and if you need directions: Toby Green t.green@elsevier.co.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Sep 2 14:34:32 1996 Received: from mail.dcs.warwick.ac.uk by stone.dcs.warwick.ac.uk; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 14:34:25 +0100 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by mail.dcs.warwick.ac.uk; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 14:34:22 +0100 Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id OAA14137; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 14:33:57 +0100 (BST) Received: from felix.dircon.co.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id OAA14132; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 14:33:47 +0100 (BST) Received: by felix.dircon.co.uk id AA22330 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 2 Sep 1996 14:19:37 +0100 Date: Mon, 2 Sep 1996 14:19:37 +0100 Received: from gw2-164.pool.dircon.co.uk(194.112.35.164) by amnesiac via smap (V1.3) id sma022298; Mon Sep 2 14:19:17 1996 X-Sender: daltay@popmail.dircon.co.uk Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: daltay@dircon.co.uk (Dale Taylor) Subject: Re: Discs? Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Status: RO >Does anyone have either a contact email or snail mail for Charlie Mead - I'm >starting a school team, and our head has agreed to buy 30 or so discs for >us. So >I want to know if Charlie has any cheap World's discs left. > >Failing that, does anyone know or want to volunteer to sell us 30 discs at a >bargain price? > >Offers please - and could you pass this around to anyone you might know who >isn't on BritDisc yet? > >Cheers - Jim Hi Jim, Following the British Open here (12th to 15th September), I may have a few discs left over to be sold cheaply. Regards Nolan From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Sep 4 14:27:34 1996 Received: from mail.dcs.warwick.ac.uk by stone.dcs.warwick.ac.uk; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 14:27:23 +0100 (BST) Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by mail.dcs.warwick.ac.uk; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 14:27:21 +0100 (BST) Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id OAA20779; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 14:26:43 +0100 (BST) Received: from relay.philips.nl by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id OAA20772; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 14:26:34 +0100 (BST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by relay.philips.nl (8.6.9/8.6.9-950414) id PAA15424 for ; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 15:25:47 +0200 Received: from unknown(192.26.173.32) by ns.philips.nl via smap (V1.3+ESMTP) with ESMTP id sma014971; Wed Sep 4 15:23:13 1996 Received: from fsu070.Ehv.Tass.Philips.Com (fsu070.ehv.tass.philips.com [130.144.111.70]) by smtp.nl.cis.philips.com (8.6.10/8.6.10-0.9z-02May95) with ESMTP id PAA15690 for ; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 15:26:00 +0200 Received: from pc093 (pc093 [130.144.111.93]) by fsu070.Ehv.Tass.Philips.Com (8.6.10/8.6.10-0.99a-11Oct95) with SMTP id PAA20382 for ; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 15:21:55 +0200 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19960904132211.002f66c4@fsu070> X-Sender: woerkomh@fsu070 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 04 Sep 1996 15:22:11 +0200 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: Harald van Woerkom Subject: Me also on britdisc Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Status: RO >Me too! Since everybody else is spamming merrily along, let's add to the confusion. I'm here too, since I liked the UK-posts on eurodisc (and I also liked the UK-ultimate scene as far as I've seen it). Groetjes, Harald playing for Vertigo and LCF not going to Eastborne, since some people have to work, you know. ---------------------------------------------------- H.v.Woerkom (H.Woerkom@ehv.tass.philips.com) Philips TASS, building HCZ-1 (room 1.161), P.O. Box 218, 5600 MD, Eindhoven, The Netherlands Tel: +31-40-2758203, Fax: +31-40-2755419 From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Sep 4 15:00:30 1996 Received: from mail.dcs.warwick.ac.uk by stone.dcs.warwick.ac.uk; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 15:00:29 +0100 (BST) Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by mail.dcs.warwick.ac.uk; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 15:00:27 +0100 (BST) Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id OAA22377; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 14:59:25 +0100 (BST) Received: from haymarket.ed.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id OAA22369; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 14:59:18 +0100 (BST) Received: from srv0.civ.ed.ac.uk (srv0.civ.ed.ac.uk [129.215.60.200]) by haymarket.ed.ac.uk (8.6.13/8.6.12) with ESMTP id OAA07235 for ; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 14:59:16 +0100 Received: from CIV-SRV0/MAILQUEUE by srv0.civ.ed.ac.uk (Mercury 1.21); 4 Sep 96 15:00:47 +0000 Received: from MAILQUEUE by CIV-SRV0 (Mercury 1.21); 4 Sep 96 15:00:19 +0000 From: "BARRY O'KANE" Organization: Civil Engineering, Edinburgh Uni To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 15:00:10 +0000 Subject: Edinburgh Beginners Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Message-ID: <3248BA521A6@srv0.civ.ed.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Status: RO Hello everyone, Once again we are hosting one of the best parties in Ultimate - sorry I mean the Beginners Tournament. It will take place on the 16/17th of November at the MeadowBank Sports center in Edinburgh. The usual rules apply - ie the tournament is only open to players with less than FOUR months playing experience with ONE coach allowed on the pitch at a time. This years tournament will feature: - An ever bigger and better party than last year! - halls will be more than twice the size of last years "postal stamps". - the usual 5star accomadation (for free!) with Sneeekys. - a great venue in a beautiful city. - Take your beginners to a tournament of their own standard! This tournament is the perfect way to baptise your beginners and freshers - show them what ultimate is all about - and have a great time as well. More details to follow..... BARRY From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Sep 4 18:37:36 1996 Received: from mail.dcs.warwick.ac.uk by stone.dcs.warwick.ac.uk; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 18:37:35 +0100 (BST) Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by mail.dcs.warwick.ac.uk; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 18:37:32 +0100 (BST) Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id SAA02795; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 18:34:47 +0100 (BST) Received: from felix.dircon.co.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id SAA02738; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 18:33:03 +0100 (BST) Received: by felix.dircon.co.uk id AA05041 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 4 Sep 1996 18:02:48 +0100 Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 18:02:48 +0100 Received: from gw2-110.pool.dircon.co.uk(194.112.35.110) by amnesiac via smap (V1.3) id sma004954; Wed Sep 4 18:02:32 1996 X-Sender: daltay@popmail.dircon.co.uk Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: daltay@dircon.co.uk (Dale Taylor) Subject: Re: Me also on britdisc Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Status: RO >>Me too! > >Since everybody else is spamming merrily along, let's add to the >confusion. I'm here too, since I liked the UK-posts on eurodisc >(and I also liked the UK-ultimate scene as far as I've seen it). > >Groetjes, > Harald > playing for Vertigo and LCF > not going to Eastborne, since some people > have to work, you know. Thats no excuse !!! Nolan TD From ralf Wed Sep 4 22:08:10 1996 Subject: Replies sent to original author To: britdisc@csv Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 22:08:10 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25 PGP2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1139 Status: RO Hi there, As a result of several people's requests, I have changed the mailing list to reply to the original author, rather than to the list itself. This was actually the default, although I changed this thinking that people would generally want to reply to the group, although I suppose it does make life harder if you actually do want to reply to the author instead. Also, sorry if I've not replied to people's mails recently - I've been away all weekend, and when I tried using the computers yesterday evening, the mail system wasn't very happy, and I rapidly got fed up of fighting with it! Hopefully, I'll deal with most things tonight! Cheers, Ralf. ____ ____ _ _ ____ __ _\__ \ _\__ \ / \ / \\__/ Ranulf Doswell /// / \_/ /_ / \_/ \ / / / /___ /// \ __ \\ __ \\ \ _\ \\_/ ralf@dcs.warwick.ac.uk __ /// \ \ \ \\ \ \ \\ \__/ \\ \ \\\/// \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \______/ \_/ http://www.csv.warwick.ac.uk/~mauer/ \XX/ From ralf Wed Sep 4 23:20:56 1996 Subject: Re: Edinburgh Beginners To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 23:20:56 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <3248BA521A6@srv0.civ.ed.ac.uk> from "BARRY O'KANE" at Sep 4, 96 03:00:10 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25 PGP2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1143 Status: RO Hi there, Yes, I did notice your message about the Edinburgh beginners, although I've been quite busy recently, and I can't remember if I replied or not. Anyway, I'll add it to the diary (I should be writing to let you know that I've added it, only I can't access the database at the moment...) I was also planning on holding a hat tourny down here, so if you don't think prospective players will want to go to both (I doubt it), then I may arrange ours on the same date (I'm still at a very provisional stage of planning the tourny, so I don't really mind when we have it, although it might be good if we have a common date for beginners hats...) Cheers, Ralf. ____ ____ _ _ ____ __ _\__ \ _\__ \ / \ / \\__/ Ranulf Doswell /// / \_/ /_ / \_/ \ / / / /___ /// \ __ \\ __ \\ \ _\ \\_/ ralf@dcs.warwick.ac.uk __ /// \ \ \ \\ \ \ \\ \__/ \\ \ \\\/// \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \______/ \_/ http://www.csv.warwick.ac.uk/~mauer/ \XX/ From ralf Wed Sep 4 23:23:32 1996 Subject: Re: Edinburgh beginners To: britdisc@csv Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 23:23:32 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25 PGP2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 574 Status: RO OK, OK... So I agree - automatically replying to BritDisc is stupid _and_ annoying! Oops. Ralf. ____ ____ _ _ ____ __ _\__ \ _\__ \ / \ / \\__/ Ranulf Doswell /// / \_/ /_ / \_/ \ / / / /___ /// \ __ \\ __ \\ \ _\ \\_/ ralf@dcs.warwick.ac.uk __ /// \ \ \ \\ \ \ \\ \__/ \\ \ \\\/// \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \______/ \_/ http://www.csv.warwick.ac.uk/~mauer/ \XX/ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Sep 5 08:13:50 1996 Received: from mail.dcs.warwick.ac.uk by stone.dcs.warwick.ac.uk; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 08:13:49 +0100 (BST) Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by mail.dcs.warwick.ac.uk; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 08:13:47 +0100 (BST) Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id IAA28845; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 08:13:22 +0100 (BST) Received: from relay.philips.nl by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id IAA28839; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 08:13:15 +0100 (BST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by relay.philips.nl (8.6.9/8.6.9-950414) id JAA00836 for ; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 09:12:41 +0200 Received: from unknown(192.26.173.32) by ns.philips.nl via smap (V1.3+ESMTP) with ESMTP id sma000254; Thu Sep 5 09:08:46 1996 Received: from fsu070.Ehv.Tass.Philips.Com (fsu070.ehv.tass.philips.com [130.144.111.70]) by smtp.nl.cis.philips.com (8.6.10/8.6.10-0.9z-02May95) with ESMTP id JAA12933 for ; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 09:11:27 +0200 Received: from pc093 (pc093 [130.144.111.93]) by fsu070.Ehv.Tass.Philips.Com (8.6.10/8.6.10-0.99a-11Oct95) with SMTP id JAA25441 for ; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 09:07:20 +0200 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19960905070732.002f2b98@fsu070> X-Sender: woerkomh@fsu070 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 05 Sep 1996 09:07:32 +0200 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: Harald van Woerkom Subject: Re: Me also on britdisc Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO >> not going to Eastborne, since some people >> have to work, you know. > >Thats no excuse !!! OK, Nolan, you're right. But it's rather inconvenient, as is the pool of water that lies between you and me. But after organising teams for two tournaments abroad and several in the Netherlands, and after using up my vacation days (with a dead-line coming up) I just didn't feel like arranging a team (call me lame, we'll meet on the field eventually). But I'll promise to come next year, provided that my employer agrees. However, if my teammates disagree with me, I'll call on you to arrange a team for me (and no excuses)! Groetjes, Harald ---------------------------------------------------- H.v.Woerkom (H.Woerkom@ehv.tass.philips.com) Philips TASS, building HCZ-1 (room 1.161), P.O. Box 218, 5600 MD, Eindhoven, The Netherlands Tel: +31-40-2758203, Fax: +31-40-2755419 From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Sep 5 14:38:58 1996 Received: from mail.dcs.warwick.ac.uk by stone.dcs.warwick.ac.uk; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 14:38:57 +0100 (BST) Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by mail.dcs.warwick.ac.uk; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 14:38:54 +0100 (BST) Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id OAA15794; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 14:37:28 +0100 (BST) Received: from amsta.leeds.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id OAA15782; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 14:37:20 +0100 (BST) Received: from newton.leeds.amsta (newton.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.64]) by amsta.leeds.ac.uk (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA05353 for ; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 14:38:41 +0100 Received: by newton.leeds.amsta (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id OAA15914; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 14:39:40 +0100 Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 14:39:40 +0100 From: amtsjh@amsta.leeds.ac.uk (S J Hill) Message-Id: <199609051339.OAA15914@newton.leeds.amsta> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Golden Autumn Disc Golf Tournament at Whitcombe and Regionals X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hi Toby You'll doubtless be pleased to hear that the bids I am expecting for finals are for 26/27... and that for regionals I expect mostly bids for 19/20. In particular, I expect both SW and N&M to be 19/20 Oct. SE is less sure - but theres a good chance that it will also be 19/20... Final details should be out on/by Monday - till then no *absolute* promises - but it all looks OK! Sorry for the difficulties caused by late organisation... Speak to you again soon no doubt Simon From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Sep 5 15:09:05 1996 Received: from mail.dcs.warwick.ac.uk by stone.dcs.warwick.ac.uk; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 15:09:04 +0100 (BST) Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by mail.dcs.warwick.ac.uk; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 15:09:02 +0100 (BST) Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id PAA17124; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 15:07:58 +0100 (BST) Received: from amsta.leeds.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id PAA17113; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 15:07:48 +0100 (BST) Received: from newton.leeds.amsta (newton.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.64]) by amsta.leeds.ac.uk (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA06248 for ; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 15:08:41 +0100 Received: by newton.leeds.amsta (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id PAA15970; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 15:09:40 +0100 Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 15:09:40 +0100 From: amtsjh@amsta.leeds.ac.uk (S J Hill) Message-Id: <199609051409.PAA15970@newton.leeds.amsta> To: BritDisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: nice one Si! X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hi well thats good isn't it.... Sorry folks - that message was meant to go to TOBY! But now I've done it I may aswell fill you all in on the current situation - although I was going to wait until Monday so that I could just send out an actual decision!! At this point: for various reasons it now *looks* as though 1. finals will be 26/27 Oct 2. with regionals most likely to be on 19/20. BUT don't take that as definite yet - because it won't be until over the w/e that all the info about possible bids will get to me. In particular, it is possible that not all the regionals will be the same w/e. Don't flame me now... there will be a proper notice about all this on Monday. Sorry about any confusion, I was trying to be flexible in order to help people put bids in. Again, lots of apologies for pointless mail... I'm afriad I just clicked on !!! Cheers Simon From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Sep 5 20:58:34 1996 Received: from mail.dcs.warwick.ac.uk by stone.dcs.warwick.ac.uk; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 20:58:33 +0100 (BST) Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by mail.dcs.warwick.ac.uk; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 20:58:31 +0100 (BST) Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id UAA02321; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 20:57:41 +0100 (BST) Received: from phidelta.demon.co.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id UAA02314; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 20:57:34 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 05 Sep 1996 20:19:38 GMT From: FD_NET1@phidelta.demon.co.uk (Wayne Retter) Reply-To: FD_NET1@phidelta.demon.co.uk Message-Id: <2344@phidelta.demon.co.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: RE: who britdisc X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Lines: 21 Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO Kevin Lowe writes: > I think what Ralf was trying to do was to send > > Who britdisc > end > > to majordomo@csv... > Try it, and you will get an automatic response to see who is currently on the > list. > > Kevin. Spoilsport! Just when we were having so much fun! :) Q: Why's this auto-replying to BritDisc when Ralf's mail said he's changed it ? Wayne ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Wayne Retter wayne@phidelta.demon.co.uk / druid@phidelta.demon.co.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Sep 6 17:00:43 1996 Received: from mail.dcs.warwick.ac.uk by stone.dcs.warwick.ac.uk; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 17:00:38 +0100 (BST) Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by mail.dcs.warwick.ac.uk; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 17:00:36 +0100 (BST) Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id QAA15790; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 16:59:55 +0100 (BST) Received: from haymarket.ed.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id QAA15785; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 16:59:49 +0100 (BST) Received: from arran.sms.ed.ac.uk (arran.sms.ed.ac.uk [129.215.141.2]) by haymarket.ed.ac.uk (8.6.13/8.6.12) with ESMTP id QAA14341 for ; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 16:59:47 +0100 Received: from SMS-ARRAN/SpoolDir by arran.sms.ed.ac.uk (Mercury 1.21); 6 Sep 96 16:54:00 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by SMS-ARRAN (Mercury 1.21); 6 Sep 96 16:53:46 +0000 From: "Leo James" <8944852@arran.sms.ed.ac.uk> Organization: Student Mail Service To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 16:53:42 +0000 Subject: Re: Edinburgh Beginners Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.10) Message-ID: <13B0A39C017D@arran.sms.ed.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO Dear Barry, great to read your advert for the Beginners. Only one slight problem-you didn't mention "Up The North!!" Keep up the good work (cos I'm buggered if I'm doing any of it!!) Cheers Leo From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sun Sep 8 13:59:40 1996 Received: from mail.dcs.warwick.ac.uk by stone.dcs.warwick.ac.uk; Sun, 8 Sep 1996 13:59:39 +0100 (BST) Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by mail.dcs.warwick.ac.uk; Sun, 8 Sep 1996 13:59:38 +0100 (BST) Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id NAA11895; Sun, 8 Sep 1996 13:58:35 +0100 (BST) Received: from clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id NAA11887; Sun, 8 Sep 1996 13:58:29 +0100 (BST) Received: from stone.dcs.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id NAA22053; Sun, 8 Sep 1996 13:58:25 +0100 (BST) From: Ralf Message-Id: <27313.199609081258@stone.dcs.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: RE: who britdisc (fwd) To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Sun, 8 Sep 1996 13:58:23 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25 PGP2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO > Spoilsport! Just when we were having so much fun! :) > > Q: Why's this auto-replying to BritDisc when Ralf's mail said he's changed > it ? I have, it's just that all the old messages still have Reply-To:britdisc@csv... in the headers, so it is only mail sent from now on that doesn't auto-reply to the list. Ralf. ____ ____ _ _ ____ __ _\__ \ _\__ \ / \ / \\__/ Ranulf Doswell /// / \_/ /_ / \_/ \ / / / /___ /// \ __ \\ __ \\ \ _\ \\_/ ralf@dcs.warwick.ac.uk __ /// \ \ \ \\ \ \ \\ \__/ \\ \ \\\/// \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \______/ \_/ http://www.csv.warwick.ac.uk/~mauer/ \XX/ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Sep 9 07:49:33 1996 remote from Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id HAA10837; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 07:49:32 +0100 (BST) Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id HAA23640; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 07:48:17 +0100 (BST) Received: from crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id HAA23635; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 07:48:12 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 07:48:10 +0100 (BST) From: Mr R C Doswell Message-Id: <18277.199609090648@crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Received: by crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk id HAA18277; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 07:48:10 +0100 (BST) To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: (UK) BUF Events Reminder Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO British Ultimate Federation Disc Events Diary --------------------------------------------- September 1996 -------------- Thursday 12 September 1996 The Second BUF Open Ultimate Championships (4 days) @ The Saffrons Sports Club, Eastbourne Saturday 14 September 1996 Junior Hat Tournament (2 days) @ Eastbourne, Surrey Saturday 21 September 1996 Burnlaw Open Disc Golf (2 days) (Non-Ultimate) @ Northumberland Saturday 28 September 1996 BDGA Match-Play Doubles (Golf) (2 days) (Non-Ultimate) @ Clifton Village Classic & Dogbolter DGCs, Bristol October 1996 ------------ Saturday 5 October 1996 BUF Regional Outdoor Championships (2 days) TBC TBA @ venues/dates TBA Saturday 12 October 1996 BUF Regional Outdoor Championships (2 days) TBC TBA @ venues/dates TBA Saturday 19 October 1996 BUF Outdoor Finals (2 days) TBC TBA @ venues/dates TBA Saturday 26 October 1996 BUF Outdoor Finals (2 days) TBC TBA @ venues/dates TBA November 1996 ------------- Saturday 16 November 1996 Edinburgh Beginners Tournament (2 days) @ Edinburgh, UK --------------------------------------------------------------- British Ultimate Federation Disc Events Diary http://www.csv.warwick.ac.uk:5201/cgi-bin/diary Ranulf Doswell, ralf@dcs.warwick.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Sep 9 13:06:19 1996 remote from Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id NAA26220; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 13:06:18 +0100 (BST) Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id NAA10853; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 13:00:56 +0100 (BST) Received: from amsta.leeds.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id NAA10842; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 13:00:50 +0100 (BST) Received: from newton.leeds.amsta (newton.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.64]) by amsta.leeds.ac.uk (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA23131; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 13:01:52 +0100 Received: by newton.leeds.amsta (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id NAA21356; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 13:02:56 +0100 Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 13:02:56 +0100 From: amtsjh@amsta.leeds.ac.uk (S J Hill) Message-Id: <199609091202.NAA21356@newton.leeds.amsta> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: UK only. Nationals. Cc: eurodisc@ira.uka.de X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hi Everyone Please let me start with a few apologies - cos thats the sort of chap I am. 1. Things have been a little rushed, and not as well organised as one would hope... this should begin to change as we now have someone (ie me at the moment) who's job it is to sort out these things! 2. I am sending this to BritDisc and EuroDisc - for those few people who haven't got themselves sorted onto BD yet... if there are any such people left. (If this applies to you then get yourself onto BD today so that we can stop boring the rest of Europe with messages that are of no interest to them.) 3. This is necessarily quite a long email - be thankful that I don't put my CV at the bottom of every email I write! National Outdoor Championships ============================== Dates and Venues ---------------- Regionals: all on 19/20 Oct. North & Mids : Boston Spa South-West : Exeter Uni - Double Locks South-East : Hitchin, Herts - Priory School Finals are on 26/27 Oct @ Priory School in Hitchin as SE Reg. Apologies to those people who feel that consectutive w/es are a bit tough. I agree - but we didn't have a lot of options. You will soon be contacted by the TD of your regional qualifier with more info... like prices. At this point I still don't have an exact figure for the cost of finals... but we are trying very hard to keep all the costs as low as possible. Regions ------- Sorting everyone into exactly the right region is not straightforward for a number of reasons. On the whole I believe that most teams are in the right region. Its unlikely to be possible to move people around at this late stage, but if there are any glaring mistakes please let me know. (Basically its the same as last year I think.) Finals Format ------------- With your invitation you will receive a more detailed version of this but... Building on last year's Nationals based on the regionals+finals format, we have made a few changes this year with the intention that this system should remain in place for several years, (until the number/quality of teams requires the system to be updated). The total number of teams drops to 16, (from 24 last year). But in keeping with the spirit of what was done last year, there will be 2 divisions of 8. Format: Both divisions of 8 play in 2 groups of 4 in games of about 90 mins to 17. The top 4 then play semis in full games to 21. The teams ranked 5-12 at the end of group play then playoff from quarter-finals to decide 5-12th places; and the bottom four playoff to decide 13-16th. (These other games will be the same length as the Saturday games.) Note that to achieve a schedule like this requires teams to play consecutive games: qualifying teams will require a reasonable size squad! (Remember the rules about only playing for ONE team over regionals and finals.) Qualifying Places: Each region gets 5 teams to the finals; with 2 guaranteed in the top 8. The 16th place, and the distribution of the remaining 2 places in the top 8 are to be decided on the basis of results from the previous year. This is of course the reason why teams playoff for 5-12 positions: it gives an opportunity to reflect the strengths of teams in each region as changes occur from year to year. Given that the system last year was slightly different, and that the results were affected by Lurkers' no-show, this year's distribution has been based on a mixture of last year's result and a bit of common sense. Not everyone will agree with the decision, but that would be true of whatever system was used. Seeding: The seeding too is to be based on the results from the previous year. The format of the tournament has been set up in such a way as to allow for any mistakes in the seeding to work themselves out: the top two teams will still end up in the final. Also, there will no longer be any "re-jigging" of groups so that teams from the same region avoid each other in the opening groups. This year's seedings will therefore run as follows: (NB this does NOT tell you which teams are in which group). 1. SE1 2. SW1 3. NM1 4. SW2 5. SE2 6. NM2 7. NM3 8. SE3 9. SW3 10. SE4 11. SW4 12. NM4 13. SE5 14. SW5 15. NM5 16. SW6 Some explanation is required because this does not tally exactly with last year! 1. 8th place last year was a N&M team: however this was *possibly* affected by the Lurkers' no-show; and given that the system has slightly changed it was deemed fairer that this place be awarded to one of the other regions. 2. The decision to give the place to the SE was based on 2 main reasons: - The SW had only 2 teams finishing in the top 8 after 2 of their 4 teams were knocked out by N&M teams. - The emergence of UTI in the SE means that Lurkers' no-show from last year could have actually punished a completely different team! 3. By way of compensation to the SW for this difficult decision, this year they are awarded the 16th spot in the finals. Thus 6 teams qualify from that region. I hope this meets with your approval. Lots of people have ideas about this sort of thing - I'd love to hear from anyone who has comments about all this (especially constructive ones)... but as I've already said: don't expect any changes in time for this year! That's about all I think. See you at Eastbourne. If you want to talk to me I'll be the one with 22 on my back. Simon Hill, Director of Competitions (<-- which is why I'm doing it now rather than Scott...) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Sep 10 08:51:26 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id IAA04414; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 08:51:22 +0100 (BST) Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id IAA14817; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 08:48:45 +0100 (BST) Received: from clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id IAA14811; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 08:48:40 +0100 (BST) Received: from stone.dcs.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id IAA04343; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 08:48:37 +0100 (BST) Received: from mail.dcs.warwick.ac.uk by stone.dcs.warwick.ac.uk; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 13:40:25 +0100 (BST) Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by mail.dcs.warwick.ac.uk; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 13:40:23 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 13:40:19 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <13340.199609091240@thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id NAA13340; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 13:40:19 +0100 (BST) To: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: BOUNCE britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk: Admin request Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO >From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Sep 9 13:40:08 1996 remote from Received: from dira.bris.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id NAA13330; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 13:40:07 +0100 (BST) Received: from kukini.cs.bris.ac.uk by dira.bris.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Mon, 9 Sep 1996 13:39:51 +0100 Received: from kiha by kukini.compsci.bristol.ac.uk id aa02751; 9 Sep 96 12:39 GMT To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: London players only Date: Mon, 09 Sep 96 13:39:18 +0100 Message-ID: <12599.842272758@kiha> From: Laura Lafave Hi everyone, I am looking for some floor space in the London area for Wednesday night for a nice American guy coming over for the BUF Open. If you can help me out, could you please email me at: lafave@cs.bris.ac.uk Thanks very much, Laura (P.S. Yeah, please don't flame the "nice American" comment above... :) ----- Laura Lafave Dept. of Computer Science, Bristol From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Sep 10 16:35:16 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id QAA29317; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 16:35:08 +0100 (BST) Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id QAA04954; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 16:29:28 +0100 (BST) Received: from clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id QAA04949; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 16:29:22 +0100 (BST) Received: from [137.205.222.1] by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id QAA29018; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 16:29:16 +0100 (BST) X-Sender: serai@mail.csv.warwick.ac.uk Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 16:29:56 +0100 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: D.P.Neilson@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Dave Neilson) Subject: BD: Results of Quarry Park Open Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO Results of Quarry Park Open - held Sunday September 1 1996. Place Name R1 R2 T1 F6 T2 -------------------------------------------- 1 Derek Robins 48 48 96 14 110 2 Oz Freire 49 48 97 15 112 3 Charlie Mead 47 49 96 18 114 4 Rafi Freire 49 50 99 17 116 5 Se=E1n Young 48 54 102 17 119 6 Andrew Wainstein 51 52 103 18 121 =3D 7 Ivan Bromage 53 54 107 16 123 =3D 7 Jim Edwards 53 53 106 17 123 =3D 9 Sam Neilson 55 56 111 15 126 =3D 9 J Simon Luard 56 54 110 16 126 =3D 9 Liam Young 54 55 109 17 126 12 Andy Lucey 55 57 112 20 132 13 Conor Davies 54 58 112 14 Ingo Piroth 56 57 113 15 Shaun Wainstein 56 59 115 16 Miles Clarke 58 59 117 =3D17 Tony Wakeford 61 57 118 =3D17 W Sue Underwood 56 62 118 19 Nolan Taylor 61 58 119 20 Ian Scotland 61 59 120 =3D21 Fraser McRae 61 61 122 =3D21 Bud Tilton 61 61 122 =3D23 Danny Baker 64 59 123 =3D23 Pete Monk 63 60 123 =3D23 Terry Tenger 63 60 123 26 Jonnie Burden 61 63 124 27 Graeme Anderson 68 60 128 28 Steve Sheppard 68 61 129 29 Steve McParland 66 65 131 30 Neal Pickett 65 67 132 31 Toby Green 64 70 134 32 W Helen Myers 70 72 142 33 Martin Lucy 70 73 143 34 J Daniel Luton 74 74 148 35 Pash Andrews 76 73 149 36 W Mia Gregory 79 78 157 37 Guy Luard 69 -- DNF 38 Dan Stevenson -- 80 DNF 39 W Sara Margulies -- 111 DNF Cheers, Sam. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Sep 11 15:16:22 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id PAA19769; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 15:16:19 +0100 (BST) Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id PAA14919; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 15:10:27 +0100 (BST) Received: from amsta.leeds.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id PAA14913; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 15:10:20 +0100 (BST) Received: from newton.leeds.amsta (newton.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.64]) by amsta.leeds.ac.uk (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA23735 for ; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 15:11:42 +0100 Received: by newton.leeds.amsta (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id PAA26806; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 15:12:49 +0100 Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 15:12:49 +0100 From: amtsjh@amsta.leeds.ac.uk (S J Hill) Message-Id: <199609111412.PAA26806@newton.leeds.amsta> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: erm.... X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO hello Everyone Small request... the other day Nolan asked about pitch markers (cones). The BUF should have some - (in fact if you look on the web-pages it says we *do* have some!!!) - a job that should probably fall to me these days - and so its something I'll be sorting out.... and so naturally I promised Nolan that I'd get some from somewhere. Being of a resourceful nature (and pretty busy) I thought "I know - I won't organise buying some now, I'll just organise borrowing some of my luvverly ultimate chums...." Well I've asked a few people and come up blank so far... so now I'm asking everyone - I'm sure you'll all agree that its easier to judge those 80 yd scoring passes when there is a cone at the other end... SO - if you're going to Eastbourne (preferably from the start) and have a set of cones, perhaps you could bung them in your car please. We only need 2 sets now anyway. Of course hopefully now we'll end up with our very own cone-mountain... but at least we'll be able to see where the endzones are. Thanks in advance - sorry for bothering you when I'm sure you'd rather be doing lots of lovely work. cheerio Simon From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Sep 12 15:37:51 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id PAA11497; Thu, 12 Sep 1996 15:37:45 +0100 (BST) Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id PAA16125; Thu, 12 Sep 1996 15:26:46 +0100 (BST) Received: from dub-img-2.compuserve.com by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id PAA16115; Thu, 12 Sep 1996 15:26:32 +0100 (BST) Received: by dub-img-2.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id KAA06261; Thu, 12 Sep 1996 10:25:48 -0400 Date: 12 Sep 96 10:11:38 EDT From: Stuart Clark <101336.3664@compuserve.com> To: Britdisc Subject: Lift to Eastbourne at W/e. Message-ID: <960912141138_101336.3664_GHW102-2@CompuServe.COM> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hi, Is there anyone going down to Eastbourne on Saturday morning and passing anywhere near Croydon? If so, I know a young lad who would appreciate a lift. If you can help, call Nivesh on 0181 654 5393 Thanks, Stu. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Sep 16 07:55:49 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id HAA10146; Mon, 16 Sep 1996 07:55:36 +0100 (BST) Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id HAA10348; Mon, 16 Sep 1996 07:48:23 +0100 (BST) Received: from crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id HAA10343; Mon, 16 Sep 1996 07:48:15 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 07:48:12 +0100 (BST) From: Mr R C Doswell Message-Id: <18477.199609160648@crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Received: by crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk id HAA18477; Mon, 16 Sep 1996 07:48:12 +0100 (BST) To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: (UK) BUF Events Reminder Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO British Ultimate Federation Disc Events Diary --------------------------------------------- September 1996 -------------- Saturday 21 September 1996 Burnlaw Open Disc Golf (2 days) (Non-Ultimate) @ Northumberland Saturday 28 September 1996 BDGA Match-Play Doubles (Golf) (2 days) (Non-Ultimate) @ Clifton Village Classic & Dogbolter DGCs, Bristol October 1996 ------------ Saturday 12 October 1996 Golden Autumn Disc Golf Tournament (2 days) (Non-Ultimate) @ Whitcombe Farm, Beaminster, Dorset Saturday 19 October 1996 BUF Regional Outdoor Championships (North and Midlands) (2 days) @ Boston Spa BUF Regional Outdoor Championships (South East) (2 days) @ Priory School, Hitchin, Herts BUF Regional Outdoor Championships (South West) (2 days) @ Double Locks, Exeter Uni Saturday 26 October 1996 BUF Outdoor Finals (2 days) @ Priory School, Hitchin, Herts November 1996 ------------- Saturday 16 November 1996 Edinburgh Beginners Tournament (2 days) @ Edinburgh, UK --------------------------------------------------------------- British Ultimate Federation Disc Events Diary http://www.csv.warwick.ac.uk:5201/cgi-bin/diary Ranulf Doswell, ralf@dcs.warwick.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Sep 16 11:41:06 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA20393; Mon, 16 Sep 1996 11:40:55 +0100 (BST) Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id LAA17758; Mon, 16 Sep 1996 11:36:01 +0100 (BST) Received: from amsta.leeds.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id LAA17747; Mon, 16 Sep 1996 11:35:47 +0100 (BST) Received: from newton.leeds.amsta (newton.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.64]) by amsta.leeds.ac.uk (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA20346 for ; Mon, 16 Sep 1996 11:37:10 +0100 Received: by newton.leeds.amsta (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA03007; Mon, 16 Sep 1996 11:38:24 +0100 Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 11:38:24 +0100 From: amtsjh@amsta.leeds.ac.uk (S J Hill) Message-Id: <199609161038.LAA03007@newton.leeds.amsta> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: new contact details for CATCH 22. X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hi Simon and Jackie Hill are moving house! Our new address is 19 Topcliffe Mews Morley LEEDS LS27 8UL Tel: 0113 252 4732. Thats from tomorrow (Tuesday 17th Sept - which also happens to be my birthday in case you want to send me a massive present). So if you want us or to contact Catch 22 then thats where we are. (I think it will be on the new Ultimatum!) Mail from old house is re-directed as long as it has our name on it. People say that moving house is one of the most stressful things that one does in life. They obviously haven't tried arranging Nationals! ha ha. Hope everyone enjoyed Eastbourne - I certainly did - until I had to leave at 4am on Sat morning to go to a wedding... Thanks to Nolan and all involved! (for Eastbourne - not the wedding). Sorry to see that still none of us can trouble the mighty Shitgun! Congrats to them for cheerfully destroying all in their path (again). cheers Simon From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Sep 16 12:20:19 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id MAA22409; Mon, 16 Sep 1996 12:20:00 +0100 (BST) Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id MAA19467; Mon, 16 Sep 1996 12:15:48 +0100 (BST) Received: from violet.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id MAA19462; Mon, 16 Sep 1996 12:15:42 +0100 (BST) Received: from hil-img-1.compuserve.com by violet.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id MAA19607; Mon, 16 Sep 1996 12:14:43 +0100 (BST) Received: by hil-img-1.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id HAA01119; Mon, 16 Sep 1996 07:08:41 -0400 Date: 16 Sep 96 07:07:02 EDT From: Stuart Clark <101336.3664@compuserve.com> To: Britdisc Subject: Indoor tournament - agreeable format? Message-ID: <960916110702_101336.3664_GHW85-2@CompuServe.COM> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hi all, I've had an enquiry from a team in the SE thinking of putting on an indoor tournament. They have a slight problem though. Although the hall they are thinking of hiring comprises 2 halls, it is not available on the Saturday until about 2pm in the afternoon. Seeing as how none of this team are on e-mail I thought I'd put the feelers out for them and see what other people thought. If a tournament was run from say 2pm-8pm on a Saturday and then 9-5 on the Sunday would you (a) as a captain be willing to take a team or (b) as a player - want to go to such a tournament. Or would you rather it be a one day Sunday tournament? All answers and comments would be welcomed. Thanks Stu. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Sep 19 09:23:23 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id JAA16996; Thu, 19 Sep 1996 09:23:07 +0100 (BST) Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id JAA27727; Thu, 19 Sep 1996 09:20:12 +0100 (BST) Received: from clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id JAA27691; Thu, 19 Sep 1996 09:20:01 +0100 (BST) Received: from [137.205.222.1] by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id JAA16838; Thu, 19 Sep 1996 09:19:54 +0100 (BST) X-Sender: serai@mail.csv.warwick.ac.uk Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 09:20:35 +0100 To: EuroDisc@ira.uka.de From: D.P.Neilson@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Dave Neilson) Subject: ED: New UPA disc design contest Cc: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO [lifted from r.s.d - crossposted to ED and BritDisc, apologies if you get two copies! Sam] Talented Ultimate players, Looking for Logos Designers, Painters, Etch-A-Sketch Artists this is your chance. The UPA is sponsoring a disc design and Ultimate artwork contest. Winners will receive a free one year membership! Design must be limited to 2 colors and may be submitted as Camera ready art, Corel Draw, or in a tif file format. Please submit a clean laser printout with each electronic submission. Be sure to include your name, address, phone number, and email with your entry. Deadline for designs is October 31,1996. All artwork submitted will become the property of the UPA. Please include a SASE if you would like your artwork returned. Mike Guiietz, UPA Managing Director From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Sep 20 12:16:36 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id MAA16291; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 12:16:13 +0100 (BST) Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id MAA15018; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 12:10:04 +0100 (BST) Received: from amsta.leeds.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id MAA15009; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 12:09:54 +0100 (BST) Received: from newton.leeds.amsta (newton.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.64]) by amsta.leeds.ac.uk (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA17316 for ; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 12:11:17 +0100 Received: by newton.leeds.amsta (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id MAA17543; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 12:12:37 +0100 Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 12:12:37 +0100 From: amtsjh@amsta.leeds.ac.uk (S J Hill) Message-Id: <199609201112.MAA17543@newton.leeds.amsta> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: INDOOR NATIONALS X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO hello We need to be planning the INDOOR NATIONALS. In fact we really should be planning 1998 NICs (thats National Indoor Championships for those who don't know Bud-speak) but we still have to do 1997!! The more we can "announce" by the end of Sept. the better... (for Sport Council reasons that I won't bore you with) Obviously there is NO WAY we can sort the whole thing by then. But I would like to settle the dates by then - that gives us all about a week to do some thinking... At this point, I want to hear from ANYONE WHO IS CONSIDERING or IS INTERESTED in hosting one of the 4 regional tourneys and/or the finals. In order to help you, at this point we can work from mid-Feb into mid-March (roughly)... if you can check availability at your intended venue you will prob. find that they are mostly booked up - which is why I am leaving it so open *temporarily*. I will be fixing the dates by Friday next week - thats the 27th Sept. What I need now is to hear from interested parties about what they wnat to do and *WHEN* their venue is free... no good me specifying 2 w/es only to find that nothing is available. Sorry for shortness of time. NB - I'm NOT asking for proper bids by next week. I just want to get an impression of whats-what with venues and dates. NB - Also, some people may be planning other tournaments over Feb and March. eg Warwick Indoors, (obviously Ralf and I already know about that one!) If you are planning something for then - it would help if you could let me know about it - because otherwise I won't know which w/es to avoid.... Again - I don't need all the details - but vague plans would help! Obviously, not everyone is on email - don't forget to mention this to the other people in your team if you are not the person who normally thinks of running a tourney. Thanks. Hope you can help - look forward to hearing from you. Thanks again Simon ps - invites for OUTDOOR regionals should be arriving through your doors anyday now.... From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Sep 20 16:09:03 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id QAA27766; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 16:08:49 +0100 (BST) Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id QAA23073; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 16:00:12 +0100 (BST) Received: from pixie.ntu.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id QAA23065; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 16:00:03 +0100 (BST) Received: from morse (actually morse.ntu.ac.uk) by pixie.ntu.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Fri, 20 Sep 1996 15:59:38 +0100 Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 16:00:56 +0100 Message-Id: <96092016005639@morse.ntu.ac.uk> From: XD232AV01@ntu.ac.uk (VITO A.VITALI BSC/BA\(H\) COMPUTING WITH GERMAN) To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: SuperFly contact X-VMS-To: SMTP%"britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk" Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO Johannes Petz from Vienna is currently living in Nottingham. His e-mail address is: DA601450@ntu.ac.uk This is also the ONLY e-mail contact for SuperFly at the moment. The address I am writing from will be cancelled at the end of the month! VITO ******** SuperFly From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Sep 20 23:14:52 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id XAA11265; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 23:14:43 +0100 (BST) Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id XAA05416; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 23:08:57 +0100 (BST) Received: from phidelta.demon.co.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id XAA05390; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 23:08:47 +0100 (BST) Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 22:39:59 GMT From: LayoutDreams@phidelta.demon.co.uk (Wayne Retter) Reply-To: LayoutDreams@phidelta.demon.co.uk Message-Id: <2515@phidelta.demon.co.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: OUTDOOR SE Regionals X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Lines: 24 Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO Si's right, the invitations are in the post and they say: SE REGIONAL OUTDOOR CHAMPIONSHIPS Dates: 19/20 October 1996 Venue: Priory School, Hitchin, Herts. Costs: GBP 62.00 + GBP 12.00 (BUF Tax) = GBP 74.00 Payable by cheque to: Layout Dreams Posted to: C.Hughes, 126 Herschell Street, Anfield, Liverpool L5 1XE Deadlines: Entry WITH CHEQUE to be received by 05 October 96 Notes: 1) Breakfast available Sat and Sun at EXTRA GBP 10.00 per TEAM, payable BEFORE the tournament (there will NOT be any spare) 2) Teams qualifying for National Championships will be expected to pay on Sunday 20 October - more details later. Wayne IF YOU ARE NOT A SE TEAM, PLEASE IGNORE THIS MESSAGE {except Note 2 :) } _____________________________________________________________________________ Chris Hughes layoutDREAMS Wayne Retter +44/0-151-260-1840 LayoutDreams@phidelta.demon.co.uk +44/0-1737-242109 From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Sep 23 07:51:28 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id HAA04421; Mon, 23 Sep 1996 07:51:19 +0100 (BST) Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id HAA00796; Mon, 23 Sep 1996 07:48:17 +0100 (BST) Received: from crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id HAA00790; Mon, 23 Sep 1996 07:48:10 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 07:48:08 +0100 (BST) From: Mr R C Doswell Message-Id: <22682.199609230648@crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Received: by crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk id HAA22682; Mon, 23 Sep 1996 07:48:08 +0100 (BST) To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: (UK) BUF Events Reminder Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO British Ultimate Federation Disc Events Diary --------------------------------------------- September 1996 -------------- Saturday 28 September 1996 BDGA Match-Play Doubles (Golf) (2 days) (Non-Ultimate) @ Clifton Village Classic & Dogbolter DGCs, Bristol October 1996 ------------ Saturday 12 October 1996 Golden Autumn Disc Golf Tournament (2 days) (Non-Ultimate) @ Whitcombe Farm, Beaminster, Dorset Saturday 19 October 1996 BUF Regional Outdoor Championships (North and Midlands) (2 days) @ Boston Spa BUF Regional Outdoor Championships (South East) (2 days) @ Priory School, Hitchin, Herts BUF Regional Outdoor Championships (South West) (2 days) @ Double Locks, Exeter Uni Saturday 26 October 1996 BUF Outdoor Finals (2 days) @ Priory School, Hitchin, Herts November 1996 ------------- Saturday 16 November 1996 Edinburgh Beginners Tournament (2 days) @ Edinburgh, UK --------------------------------------------------------------- British Ultimate Federation Disc Events Diary http://www.csv.warwick.ac.uk:5201/cgi-bin/diary Ranulf Doswell, ralf@dcs.warwick.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Sep 24 14:04:00 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id OAA14322; Tue, 24 Sep 1996 14:03:44 +0100 (BST) Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id NAA01589; Tue, 24 Sep 1996 13:49:19 +0100 (BST) Received: from relay-2.mail.demon.net by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id NAA01579; Tue, 24 Sep 1996 13:49:08 +0100 (BST) Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([(null)]) by relay-2.mail.demon.net id am23108; 24 Sep 96 12:32 BST Received: from stures.demon.co.uk ([194.222.19.95]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id aa07207; 24 Sep 96 12:11 BST X-Sender: (Unverified) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 12:12:14 +0100 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: Max Keogh Subject: WUCC '97 volunteers needed Message-ID: <843563496.7207.0@stures.demon.co.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO I picked up this message on rec.sport.disc recently. I thought it may be of interest to someone out there. Cheers Max From: slewis@sfu.ca (S Lewis) Organization: Simon Fraser University Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc Hi there My name is Scott Lewis, and I am the Volunteer Coordinator for the upcoming WUCC 97 to be held in Vancouver July 27 to August 3rd. We will be needing a limited number of experienced volunteers to help us out at the event. A few of the most qualified may be given free room and/or board, but in any case there will be a number of perks. If you're interested, please contact our organisation at wuccinfo@portal.ca. And don't forget to check out our website at http:/www2.portal/ca/~wucc97. Scott Lewis E-mail: slewis@sfu.ca Dept. of Communication Simon Fraser University Phone: 604-874-5636 Burnaby, B.C., CANADA V5A 1S6 Fax:604-874-8007 From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Sep 24 17:42:51 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id RAA27801; Tue, 24 Sep 1996 17:42:39 +0100 (BST) Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id RAA12836; Tue, 24 Sep 1996 17:30:34 +0100 (BST) Received: from vulcan by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id RAA12829; Tue, 24 Sep 1996 17:30:27 +0100 (BST) Received: from hawk.le.ac.uk by vulcan with SMTP (PP); Tue, 24 Sep 1996 17:25:37 +0100 Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 17:25:33 +0100 (BST) From: Scott X-Sender: iws1@hawk To: britdisc cc: slaterej@mcgraw-hill.com Subject: National Team Managers Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO BUF, PO Box 1, Swan House, Leicester LE9 5LF. Great Britain Email: disc@foobar.co.uk http://wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk/buf/ BUF National Teams Management At the 1996 BUF AGM and subsequent EGM during the 1996 British Open the=20 BUF Council decided that all National Team Managers posts should be=20 appointed by the executive of the BUF as opposed to elected/re-elected=20 each year at the AGM. It was felt that the National Team Managers=20 would benefit from being appointed for an indefinite term with a clear=20 system of review being set up to monitor their progress against agreed=20 aims. The BUF also pledged to put every effort into obtaining=20 substantial sponsorship for the national teams. Prospective National Team Managers are therefore invited to apply in=20 writing to the BUF Secretary (address as above) for the following posts; =B7 National Open Team Manager(s) =B7 National Women's Team Manager(s) =B7 National Juniors' Team Manager(s) =B7 National Masters' Team Manager(s) Applications should be received by 25th October 1996 (or handed in=20 person to the BUF Secretary on 26th at the National Outdoors). =20 Applications should include a statement on each of the following: =B7 Your full name(s) and contact details (postal, telephone, e-mail etc.) =B7 A brief account of playing and coaching experience (inc. relevant=20 qualifications) =B7 Your aims and objectives for the team and coaching programme =B7 proposed management structure (including likely running costs) =B7 team selection procedure =B7 a proposed training and tournament schedule =B7 support you require from the BUF Once the applications have been collated appointment committees will=20 meet to discuss the applications for each of the management positions=20 which applicants may be invited to address. All committees will=20 consist of the National Director and National Teams Liaison Officer=20 with the final member being the relevant Special Interest Group officer=20 (i.e. Women's, Juniors', Masters' Co-ordinator) . Every effort will be=20 made to make the appointment by 27th October 1996 and all applicants=20 will be notified of the decision for each division in writing as soon=20 as is practicable. In the first instance, all National Team Managers would be expected to=20 serve a minimum term of 2 years with no maximum term unless=20 specifically stated by the appointee. The position will however be=20 subject to an annual review in September of each year. The review=20 format will be drawn up and publicised in the near future. NOTE: A new post will be created with a special interest in 'open'=20 matters (e.g. Open team management, Co-ed issues, growth in the number=20 open team players) who will sit on the appointment committee of the=20 Open Team Management. Ian Scotland National Director /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ SCOTT: Ian Scotland Tel: 0116 2525824 Fax: 0116 2523154 E-mail: iws1@le.ac.uk http://wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk/buf/ /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Sep 26 11:45:56 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA24122; Thu, 26 Sep 1996 11:45:45 +0100 (BST) Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id LAA01565; Thu, 26 Sep 1996 11:39:30 +0100 (BST) Received: from amsta.leeds.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id LAA01556; Thu, 26 Sep 1996 11:39:17 +0100 (BST) Received: from newton.leeds.amsta (newton [129.11.36.64]) by amsta.leeds.ac.uk (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA29426 for ; Thu, 26 Sep 1996 10:54:41 +0100 Received: by newton.leeds.amsta (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA00165; Thu, 26 Sep 1996 10:56:09 +0100 Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 10:56:09 +0100 From: amtsjh@amsta.leeds.ac.uk (S J Hill) Message-Id: <199609260956.KAA00165@newton.leeds.amsta> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: nationals... continued. X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hi Just some more news (and a slight correction) relating to this year's OUTDOOR NATIONALS. 1. Teams that qualify from regionals (thats top 5 in N&M and SE ; top 6 in SW) will be required to pay up on the day (ie the Sunday of Regionals). SE : cheque to Chris Hughes SW : " " Wayne Retter N&M : " " me. I don't know exactly the amount at this moment (likely to be around 85 GBP). I presume it is payable to "Layout Dreams" - but I will check. NB BRING YOUR CHEQUE BOOKS. 2. A lot of people have asked if the exact format of the tourney is known now. The answer is yes - I wasn't going to bore everyone with it - but it seems people would like to know. In each Division of 8 there are two pools of 4. With teams seeded 1-8, the groups are: A: 1,3,6,8. B: 2,4,5,7. Games are expected to be 90 mins + cap on the Saturday, and likewise on Sunday EXCEPT for the top 4 in semis who will get full games. Games are expected to start at 9am. Top 8 will be play 2 consec. games (actually there is short break between these games: ie 2nd game starts at 11am). Then get a good long break with 3rd game starting at something like 2.30 - maybe 2 if its an overcast day. This 3rd game will be the "QF-equivalent game" (ie 1v8, 2v7, etc...) Thus the schedule is equivalent for evereyone in the 8. Bottom 8 will be similar EXCEPT that they will play 1 game, then have their long break, and then play 2 "back to back". Their "QF-equiv. game" will be the one directly after the break. Reasoning behind all this: 1. same for everyone (identical for those in closest direct competition). 2. staggering the breaks between top 8 and bottom 8 will alleviate strain on venue-facilities and also mean that there is always some ultimate being played. 3. Now you know - pass it on around your team. If anyone has any genuine "complaints"/observations please let me know; and please do it asap... 3. This brings me to my slight correction. In my original posting, I listed out the positions of each qualifying team depending on where they finish at regionals. I got the top 8 right, but made a bit of a mistake with the bottom 8 : sorry. (This is because of the juggling due to Lurkers/UTI thing in the SE - which meant that the 8th place N&M team from last year was ignored.) So taking that into account and using "a bit more common sense" (which means I've now used up all my common sense for 1996) the bottom 8 should read: 9. NM4 10. SW3 11. SE4 12. SW4 13. SE5 14. SW5 15. NM5 16. SW6 So groups are C: NM4, SE4, SW5, SW6 D: SW3, SW4, SE5, NM5 Alright? I guess I can stomach complaints about this now if you really have any... it doesn't run EXACTLY to last year's results - but it has been round and round my head many times. Thats about all for now (except for the message about indoor nationals that will follow in a moment!) cheers Simon Hill From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Sep 26 21:05:18 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id VAA24559; Thu, 26 Sep 1996 21:05:08 +0100 (BST) Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id UAA26891; Thu, 26 Sep 1996 20:57:31 +0100 (BST) Received: from phidelta.demon.co.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id UAA26880; Thu, 26 Sep 1996 20:57:16 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 20:35:13 GMT From: Wayne@phidelta.demon.co.uk (Wayne Retter) Reply-To: Wayne@phidelta.demon.co.uk Message-Id: <2611@phidelta.demon.co.uk> To: P.H.Schuricht@soton.ac.uk Cc: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Re: SW regionals X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Lines: 14 Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO In a personal message, P.H.Schuricht@soton.ac.uk writes: > Skunks haven't had an invite yet. It's OK, nor has anyone else, yet! When I asked the other day, Kevin said he'd had printer problems, but that the invites would go in the post on Wednesday night and that he'd put something on BritDisc to let people know what's going on. So, hopefully the invites will turn up by/at this w/e and we'll soon see Kevin's Email. (cue Kevin...) -- Wayne Retter Wayne@phidelta.demon.co.uk Have Disc, Will Travel From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Sep 27 09:20:19 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id JAA11867; Fri, 27 Sep 1996 09:20:04 +0100 (BST) Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id JAA14627; Fri, 27 Sep 1996 09:16:07 +0100 (BST) Received: from dns0.curved-logic.com by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id JAA14615; Fri, 27 Sep 1996 09:15:58 +0100 (BST) Received: from pc04.curved-logic.com by dns0.curved-logic.com id aa02803; 27 Sep 96 9:11 GMT Received: by pc04.curved-logic.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BBAC53.82F6DC60@pc04.curved-logic.com>; Fri, 27 Sep 1996 09:08:56 +-100 Message-ID: <01BBAC53.82F6DC60@pc04.curved-logic.com> From: Kevin Lowe To: "'britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk'" Subject: South West Regionals Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 09:01:19 +-100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BBAC53.8307A540" Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO ------ =_NextPart_000_01BBAC53.8307A540 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks for the prompt Wayne. Our server machine is still having = problems, but it was working enough on Wednesday night for me to get the = invites out. You should be receiving them today. If you don't have one = by Monday, then I must have the wrong address. Let me know, and I'll get = another sent out. The invite read something like this: -- South West Regional Championships - 1996 Dear Team, You are invited to the South West Outdoor Regional Championships being = held in Exeter on the 19th/20th October. The cost will be =A345 per = team, and entry forms and cheques need to be returned by October 10th.=20 Free camping is available at Double Locks as usual, for both the Friday = and the Saturday night. Please remember your tents, and your thermal = underwear. For those who don't want to brave the elements, a Bed & = Breakfast list can be sent on request. Usual Double Locks rules apply. = I.e. Don't consume your own food or beer on their premises (or at least = don't get caught). Food will be available from the kitchen tent on the = pitches during Saturday and Sunday. Captain's meeting is at 9:30 on Saturday morning, with the first games = scheduled for 10:00. BUF rules apply for teams turning up for games = late. Quick apology for the schedule. Games may have to start at 8:30 on = the Sunday morning. You have been warned! This may be avoided if teams = in the lower 8 would rather play an extra match on Saturday. Pool games = will be played to time, 45 minutes or the first to 13. Important games = (quarter and semi-finals) will be an hour, with a two point cap if = scores are within 2 at time. Matches have to be over by 2:00 on the = Sunday (The University have 12 football matches scheduled) except for = the final that will be played at 2:30 on a different pitch.=20 Having made sense of the schedule for the finals, it appears that the = last matches in the regional make almost no difference for the finals, = since 1st and 2nd end up in the same peer pool, as do 3rd and 4th, and = 5th and 6th. The only difference is the order of opponents. For this = reason, all final matches are 45 minutes. Any team finishing in the top = 6 must have a cheque ready to be sent off to the organisers of the = finals. Any teams attempting to enter after October 10th may be refused entry. = For more information, contact either Jo (01392-438148), Jennie = (01392-493537) or Kevin (01978-852819). Please send a cheque for =A345 payable to Uriel Ultimate Frisbee Club, = along with the complete form to :- Jolyon Thompson, 3 Clevedon Close, = Exeter. EX4 6HQ Teams invited are:- Druids, Headrush, Monks, Sharks, Ow!, Cousins, = Tribal/Discult, Funky Nuns, Babblers, Mythago, Robotics, Picnic, Skunks, = Uriel, Blundells, Dane Raiders, N.F.C.=20 Kevin. |------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------------------------- | Email Kev@Curved-logic.com Tel: 01244-382371 | Give me the wisdom to utter words that are gentle and tender, | for tomorrow I may have to eat them. ------ =_NextPart_000_01BBAC53.8307A540 Content-Type: application/ms-tnef Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 eJ8+IjgIAQaQCAAEAAAAAAABAAEAAQeQBgAIAAAA5AQAAAAAAADoAAENgAQAAgAAAAEAAQABBJAG ADwBAAABAAAADAAAAAMAADADAAAACwAPDgAAAAACAf8PAQAAAFMAAAAAAAAAgSsfpL6jEBmdbgDd AQ9UAgAAAABicml0ZGlzY0Bjc3Yud2Fyd2ljay5hYy51awBTTVRQAGJyaXRkaXNjQGNzdi53YXJ3 aWNrLmFjLnVrAAAeAAIwAQAAAAUAAABTTVRQAAAAAB4AAzABAAAAGwAAAGJyaXRkaXNjQGNzdi53 YXJ3aWNrLmFjLnVrAAADABUMAQAAAAMA/g8GAAAAHgABMAEAAAAdAAAAJ2JyaXRkaXNjQGNzdi53 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Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id MAA23018; Fri, 27 Sep 1996 12:41:48 +0100 (BST) Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id MAA21501; Fri, 27 Sep 1996 12:26:27 +0100 (BST) Received: from amsta.leeds.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id MAA21493; Fri, 27 Sep 1996 12:26:19 +0100 (BST) Received: from newton.leeds.amsta (newton.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.64]) by amsta.leeds.ac.uk (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA29428 for ; Fri, 27 Sep 1996 12:27:39 +0100 Received: by newton.leeds.amsta (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id MAA02233; Fri, 27 Sep 1996 12:29:11 +0100 Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 12:29:11 +0100 From: amtsjh@amsta.leeds.ac.uk (S J Hill) Message-Id: <199609271129.MAA02233@newton.leeds.amsta> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: nationals X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO hi just a small comment on something Kev said... I would just like to clarify something about the pools.... I always imagine that the term "peer pools" implies that you are really only playing for seeding and the competition proper starts in the next round! This is not the case for Nationals. There are 2 division of 8, and they are split into 2 pools each. They are not peer pools - the teams are distributed across the whole entry *within each division of 8*. I am (possibly) splitting hairs... but be clear that the group games at National Finals are extremely important. Si From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Sep 27 13:51:33 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id NAA26680; Fri, 27 Sep 1996 13:51:19 +0100 (BST) Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id NAA24558; Fri, 27 Sep 1996 13:32:52 +0100 (BST) Received: from amsta.leeds.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id NAA24552; Fri, 27 Sep 1996 13:32:45 +0100 (BST) Received: from newton.leeds.amsta (newton [129.11.36.64]) by amsta.leeds.ac.uk (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA29970 for ; Fri, 27 Sep 1996 12:44:50 +0100 Received: by newton.leeds.amsta (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id MAA02346; Fri, 27 Sep 1996 12:46:21 +0100 Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 12:46:21 +0100 From: amtsjh@amsta.leeds.ac.uk (S J Hill) Message-Id: <199609271146.MAA02346@newton.leeds.amsta> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: INDOOR NATIONALS X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO hello (yet again) Firstly: I tried to send this message yesterday - but somehow something went wrong... maybe somebody has already received this (??) - maybe everybody has by now (??) - but I thought it best to re-send it. INDOOR NATIONALS ---------------- This is another attempt to find out if there is anyone out there considering/ interested in staging the Indoor National Finals. I don't need a full bid - but I would like to know if there's anyone else thinking about it... I am supposed to finalise a date to be given to Sports Council by end of Sept!! and at the mo' I have just one interested party - but they can only offer the 22/23 MARCH. Yes! 22/23 MARCH - which is probably not ideal! If there is nobody else thinking of getting involved for finals then I will work on the basis of using 22/23 March. This is not a call, as yet, for BIDS - so you can still go for it - even after this date is "annoucned" - but it really would be helpful to know if you are considering the idea. ------------- Indoor Regionals: So far I have interest for (guess where!?!) the SW; and also two separate teams (yes actual "competition" in the North). If you are thinking of bidding for a regional tourney it would also be helpful if you could let me know... so as to try to coordinate the dates - in case your venue is not available on just any-old-w/e. If you are not thinking of putting on a regional tourney - then why don't you start thinking about it now...!! -------------- I will come back with more info about indoor nationals soon... and will be trying to finalise the whole thing by November. That means that I'll need proper bids by end of Oct. (roughly). Two more things... firstly, sorry for the abrupt nature of this message - I'm supposed to be doing something else; secondly, please don't flame me with reasons why 22/23 March is not a good date for indoor finals - I know already. cheerio Simon From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Sep 30 07:50:25 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id HAA00754; Mon, 30 Sep 1996 07:50:15 +0100 (BST) Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id HAA27993; Mon, 30 Sep 1996 07:48:15 +0100 (BST) Received: from crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id HAA27987; Mon, 30 Sep 1996 07:48:09 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 07:48:06 +0100 (BST) From: Mr R C Doswell Message-Id: <27560.199609300648@crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Received: by crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk id HAA27560; Mon, 30 Sep 1996 07:48:06 +0100 (BST) To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: (UK) BUF Events Reminder Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO British Ultimate Federation Disc Events Diary --------------------------------------------- October 1996 ------------ Saturday 12 October 1996 Golden Autumn Disc Golf Tournament (2 days) (Non-Ultimate) @ Whitcombe Farm, Beaminster, Dorset Saturday 19 October 1996 BUF Regional Outdoor Championships (North and Midlands) (2 days) @ Boston Spa BUF Regional Outdoor Championships (South East) (2 days) @ Priory School, Hitchin, Herts BUF Regional Outdoor Championships (South West) (2 days) @ Double Locks, Exeter Uni Saturday 26 October 1996 BUF Outdoor Finals (2 days) @ Priory School, Hitchin, Herts November 1996 ------------- Saturday 16 November 1996 Edinburgh Beginners Tournament (2 days) @ Edinburgh, UK Indoor tourny (2 days) @ Priory school, Hitchen. Saturday 30 November 1996 SFA Indoor tourny (2 days) @ Farnborough, Hants Student Indoor Regionals (2 days) TBC February 1997 ------------- Saturday 8 February 1997 BUF Student Indoor Finals (2 days) TBC April 1997 ---------- Saturday 26 April 1997 Student Outdoors (2 days) TBC August 1997 ----------- Saturday 23 August 1997 1997 BDGA Championships (2 days) (Non-Ultimate) TBC --------------------------------------------------------------- British Ultimate Federation Disc Events Diary http://www.csv.warwick.ac.uk:5201/cgi-bin/diary Ranulf Doswell, ralf@dcs.warwick.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Oct 1 11:38:27 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA26211; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 11:38:08 +0100 (BST) Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id LAA06873; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 11:33:29 +0100 (BST) Received: from amsta.leeds.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id LAA06866; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 11:33:19 +0100 (BST) Received: from newton.leeds.amsta (newton.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.64]) by amsta.leeds.ac.uk (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA17838 for ; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 11:34:45 +0100 Received: by newton.leeds.amsta (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA05482; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 11:36:21 +0100 Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 11:36:21 +0100 From: amtsjh@amsta.leeds.ac.uk (S J Hill) Message-Id: <199610011036.LAA05482@newton.leeds.amsta> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Nationals Spirit Enquiry X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hello We wanted to fill in the engraving on the Trophy for SOTG for Nationals. Just so that its down in writing what a marvellously spirited team we are! BUT - there are a couple of gaps. Last name is SFA 1992. I believe Sneeekys won spirit in 1993 (that was my first ever tournament! - so I may have that wrong....) But I have no idea who won it in 1994. Anyone know? Somebody must do! Look forward to hearing soon..... Sly Hill Catch 22 From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Oct 1 12:08:55 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id MAA28867; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 12:08:34 +0100 (BST) Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id MAA09117; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 12:02:50 +0100 (BST) Received: from venus.open.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id MAA09105; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 12:02:38 +0100 (BST) Received: from watson.open.ac.uk by venus.open.ac.uk with SMTP Local (PP) id <28560-0@venus.open.ac.uk>; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 12:01:39 +0100 Received: from [137.108.224.60] by watson.open.ac.uk (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA12387; Tue, 1 Oct 96 12:01:33 BST Date: Tue, 1 Oct 96 12:01:31 BST X-Sender: john@watson Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: j.b.domingue@open.ac.uk (John Domingue) Subject: Anyone know how many GB teams go to world clubs? Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO It'd be kinda nice to know before the nationals john __________________________________________________________________________ John Domingue | J.B.Domingue@open.ac.uk Knowledge Media Institute, Open University, Milton Keynes MK7 6AA, UK Tel. +44 1908 65-5014 (Fax -3169) | WWWeb: http://kmi.open.ac.uk/~john/john.html From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Oct 1 12:50:28 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id MAA02585; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 12:50:10 +0100 (BST) Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id MAA12303; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 12:45:15 +0100 (BST) Received: from venus.le.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id MAA12296; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 12:45:03 +0100 (BST) Received: from hawk.le.ac.uk by venus.le.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Tue, 1 Oct 1996 12:51:10 +0100 Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 12:43:11 +0100 (BST) From: Scott X-Sender: iws1@hawk To: John Domingue cc: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk, Charlie.Mead@midnet.com Subject: Re: Anyone know how many GB teams go to world clubs? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO John and other interested teams, > It'd be kinda nice to know before the nationals The WFDF decide how many will teams from each nation will go to the World clubs based on how well the national team did at Sweden in each division and the number of overall places available at World Clubs. I theory WFDF should have been able to make this decision straight after Jonkoping - but it seems they aren't that efficient! So no-one knows! (if they do can they let everyone else know). In reality, this makes only a slight difference anyway since some nations won't take up their places so reserves will be up for grabs. Places are offered on ability to make the clubs first then national ranking second if there are more clubs interested than spaces. After the Nationals the BUF will send a list of *all* interested clubs to the WFDF and Worlds organisors with their ranking, but hopefully we will know more before then. The Clubs in 97 will be huge! The organisors are already taking deposits from clubs interested in going even tho' no-one knows who will qualify - so they obviously expect to cater for most interested teams. Other than that I know no-more. For the latest info from the organisors check out http://www.portal.ca/~wucc97/ Scott /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ SCOTT: Ian Scotland Tel: 0116 2525824 Fax: 0116 2523154 E-mail: iws1@le.ac.uk http://wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk/buf/ /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Oct 1 14:26:01 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id OAA10161; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 14:25:50 +0100 (BST) Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id OAA18016; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 14:14:18 +0100 (BST) Received: from haymarket.ed.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id OAA18003; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 14:14:05 +0100 (BST) Received: from srv0.civ.ed.ac.uk (srv0.civ.ed.ac.uk [129.215.60.200]) by haymarket.ed.ac.uk (8.6.13/8.6.12) with ESMTP id OAA15134 for ; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 14:14:02 +0100 Received: from CIV-SRV0/SpoolDir by srv0.civ.ed.ac.uk (Mercury 1.21); 1 Oct 96 14:16:07 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by CIV-SRV0 (Mercury 1.30); 1 Oct 96 14:15:51 +0000 From: "BARRY O'KANE" Organization: Civil Engineering, Edinburgh Uni To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 14:15:47 +0000 Subject: Student Clubs Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Message-ID: <1E215644B95@srv0.civ.ed.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hello all, I think that a lot of you know already that I am the new Student Co-Ord. Could you please pass this message on to the relevant people in all the student clubs if and when they are around? As I am not sure how many of the Student clubs have at least one person on Britdisc I suppose you had better send me a short note if you are (one per club please). This will make the job of contacting those that are not easier. Although I hope that most of those who are not will get on ASAP if possible - makes life so much easier! (I know that I can Who Britdisc - but that doesn't tell me if the right people from each club are on). Also, if the contact person/details for your club has changed from last year please inform Ultimatum and me. STUDENT INDOORS: There have been major changes to the format of things this year; first off the regions look like this: North: St Andrews - Celts Ed. - Sneeekys Glasgow - Mud Culture Lancaster - Reservior Fish Bradford - Disciples Leeds - You guys (plus J. Children?) One Junior team. MIDLANDS Shieffield - Phat Eds Superfly Loughborough - Purple haze Leicester - Jesters Manchester - F6 Bears Wolves (HSR) Birmingham? Aberstwyth? One Junior Team Total 9-16 SE: Cambridge - Strange Blue Milton Keynes - Mad Kows London - Chaos Canterbury - Toxic Brighton - Mohawks One Junior Team. Oxford teams SW: Skunks Bristol - Mythago Exeter - Uriel Plymouth - Picnic in the Sky One Junior (The top 3 or 4 teams will go through to the finals - depending on bids). As you can see we have 4 quite small regions regions - this means that there is scope for 2/3 teams from most Clubs - why not make the effort? The regionals will take place on the Sat 30th Nov and Sun 1st Dec. IE: MUCH EARLIER than before! Therefore I need to be taking bids in NOW! We expect 12(ish) teams in each region - well within the scope of any venue - so why not consider hosting your region? Contact me NOW if you are interested. I would esp. like to hear from people/venues that haven't hosted before. The finals have been provisionally set for the 8th of Feb. - so we need to be thinking about bids for that also. Welcome back to another year of Uni, BARRY O'KANE From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Oct 2 21:55:11 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id VAA19467; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 21:54:58 +0100 (BST) Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id VAA20742; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 21:52:30 +0100 (BST) Received: from newsgate.dircon.co.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id VAA20734; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 21:52:08 +0100 (BST) Received: from midnet.com (midnet@localhost) by newsgate.dircon.co.uk (8.6.12/8.6.9) with UUCP id VAA14017; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 21:43:37 +0100 From: c.mead@midnet.com (Charlie Mead) Reply-To: c.mead@midnet.com To: iws1@leicester.ac.uk Cc: j.b.domingue@open.ac.uk, britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Re: Re: Anyone know how many GB teams go to world clubs? Date: 02 Oct 1996 20:48:16 GMT Message-Id: <1010757598.252034860@midnet.com> Organization: MidNet, Coventry UK Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO Scott, A bit unkind I feel. The process of determining club teams to go to WFDF World Clubs is a Committee decision in association with the TD. The process started in the week after Sweden and has been resolved today. There will be 64 open teams, 32 women and 24 masters. The GB allocation is 4 Open, 2 Women and 2 Masters. All teams must be approved by their national association. All other eligibility factors will be sent to you from Vancouver but you can get them from me if you want. Hope this helps in the weekd leading up to Nationals. Charlie From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Oct 3 10:19:55 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id KAA11725; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 10:19:14 +0100 (BST) Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id KAA14268; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 10:12:21 +0100 (BST) Received: from amsta.leeds.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id KAA14227; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 10:11:57 +0100 (BST) Received: from newton.leeds.amsta (newton.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.64]) by amsta.leeds.ac.uk (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA11478 for ; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 10:12:23 +0100 Received: by newton.leeds.amsta (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA10267; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 10:14:01 +0100 Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1996 10:14:01 +0100 From: amtsjh@amsta.leeds.ac.uk (S J Hill) Message-Id: <199610030914.KAA10267@newton.leeds.amsta> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: spirit X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO does *nobody* know who won spirit at OUTDOOR NATIONALS 1994? ???!!!! (its the year Shotgun won the tourney... oh - that doens't help much) Si From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Oct 3 11:01:35 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA15382; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 11:01:24 +0100 (BST) Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id KAA17292; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 10:58:04 +0100 (BST) Received: from dira.bris.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id KAA17262; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 10:57:33 +0100 (BST) Received: from mail.bris.ac.uk by dira.bris.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Thu, 3 Oct 1996 10:56:40 +0100 Received: from lv by mail.bris.ac.uk (4.1/SMI-SVR4) id AA07482; Thu, 3 Oct 96 10:56:36 BST Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1996 10:58:22 BST From: Laurence Vaughn Subject: Re: spirit To: S J Hill Cc: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Message-Id: Priority: Normal Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO On Thu, 3 Oct 1996 10:14:01 +0100 S J Hill wrote: > From: S J Hill > Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1996 10:14:01 +0100 > Subject: spirit > To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk > > does *nobody* know who won spirit at > > OUTDOOR NATIONALS 1994? ???!!!! > > (its the year Shotgun won the tourney... > oh - that doens't help much) > > Si Could it be the Samurai? Or do I mean HeadRush? ;-) Laurie +-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-+ > Dept. of Mechanical Engineering, Univ. of Bristol < | Laurence Vaughn | > Bristol, BS8 1TR. UK - Tel: +44 (0) 117 928 8210 < +-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-+ > laurie.vaughn@bris.ac.uk < > http://mail.bris.ac.uk/~melfv/ < From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Oct 3 11:19:44 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA16812; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 11:19:27 +0100 (BST) Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id LAA18440; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 11:16:03 +0100 (BST) From: Stuart_Mullinger@stratus.com Received: from mailhub.stratus.com by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA18434; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 11:15:54 +0100 (BST) Received: from ec.stratus.com (ec.stratus.com [134.111.18.95]) by mailhub.stratus.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA03932 for ; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 06:15:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from by ec.stratus.com with SMTP (1.37.109.18/16.2) id AA177208222; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 06:23:42 -0400 X-Openmail-Hops: 1 Date: Thu, 3 Oct 96 06:23:25 -0400 Message-Id: Subject: Spirit Mime-Version: 1.0 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; name="Spirit" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO I'm pretty sure it was Jesters that won spirit in the 94 Nationals. Stuart. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Oct 3 12:18:31 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id MAA21704; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 12:17:35 +0100 (BST) Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id MAA22687; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 12:05:21 +0100 (BST) From: P.H.Schuricht@soton.ac.uk Received: from beech.soton.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id MAA22655; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 12:04:45 +0100 (BST) Received: from oak.soton.ac.uk (oak.soton.ac.uk [152.78.128.89]) by beech.soton.ac.uk (8.6.12/hub-8.5a) with ESMTP id MAA24204 for ; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 12:04:34 +0100 Received: (from phs@localhost) by oak.soton.ac.uk (8.6.10/client-8.8) id MAA26768 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 12:04:32 +0100 Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1996 12:04:32 +0100 Message-Id: <199610031104.MAA26768@oak.soton.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Award winning video X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO Those of you at Keele indorrs last year may have noticed some filming taking place. This was part of a project by students (one of whomn plays for the skunks) on a Media Technology course in southampton. They produced a 5 min video on Ultimate. everyone who has seen in has been impressed. i found out yesterday that it was entered into a National competition by their supervisor, and that it won. this means that they get some cash and a video camera, and that the video may get shown on TV. more details when i find out more. Paul ps Sammy can Sean have his copy of the video back as that was his personal copy. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Oct 3 14:44:55 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id OAA05024; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 14:44:37 +0100 (BST) Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id OAA02819; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 14:32:20 +0100 (BST) Received: from amsta.leeds.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id OAA02770; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 14:31:41 +0100 (BST) Received: from newton.leeds.amsta (newton [129.11.36.64]) by amsta.leeds.ac.uk (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA21086 for ; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 13:39:55 +0100 Received: by newton.leeds.amsta (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id NAA11167; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 13:41:34 +0100 Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1996 13:41:34 +0100 From: amtsjh@amsta.leeds.ac.uk (S J Hill) Message-Id: <199610031241.NAA11167@newton.leeds.amsta> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: spirit X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO in case anyone is dying of curiousity... I have two seperate and independent emails saying that spirit in 1994 Outdoor Nationals was won by Jesters. Thanks to Rob (jesters) and Stu (Sneeekys). And there was me thinking it was Druids. Si From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Oct 7 14:41:22 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id OAA19397; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 14:40:11 +0100 (BST) Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id OAA25926; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 14:28:11 +0100 (BST) From: Wayne_Retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk Received: from sys4.cambridge.uk.psi.net by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id OAA25894; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 14:27:37 +0100 (BST) Received: from rwatson.UUCP by sys4.cambridge.uk.psi.net (8.7.5/SMI-5.5-UKPSINet) id NAA25367; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 13:42:29 +0100 (BST) Received: from cc:Mail by rwatson.watsonwyatt.co.uk id AA844719815 Mon, 07 Oct 96 13:23:35 Date: Mon, 07 Oct 96 13:23:35 Encoding: 715 Text Message-Id: <9609078447.AA844719815@rwatson.watsonwyatt.co.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk CC: layoutdreams@phidelta.demon.co.uk Subject: SE Regional Outdoors. Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO For those teams that have not yet paid or even replied to the invitations, Stu Clarke will be chasing you to find out WHY NOT? Could teams please let us know (details below) if they are planning on coming, and then prove it by sending cheques, payable to Layout Dreams, to Chris at 126 Herschell Street, Anfield, Liverpool, L5 1XE. Please respond ASAP so that Chris can finalise schedules and send you details of where you should be going. REPLY TO Email (Wayne Retter): LayoutDreams@phidelta.demon.co.uk, AND/OR Phone (Chris Hughes): 0151-260-1840 Expecting a whole bunch of replies, Wayne Retter on behalf of Layout Dreams, Tournament Directors, SE Regional Outdoor Championships 1996 From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Oct 8 09:12:38 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id JAA19664; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 09:12:25 +0100 (BST) Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id JAA16478; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 09:10:36 +0100 (BST) Received: from iraun1.ira.uka.de by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id JAA16472; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 09:10:17 +0100 (BST) Received: from i02mac181.ira.uka.de by iraun1 with SMTP (PP); Tue, 8 Oct 1996 10:08:05 +0200 Date: 7 Oct 1996 13:10:30 -0400 From: kjs9@lehigh.edu (by way of thgries@ira.uka.de \(Thomas Griesbaum\)) To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Ultimate in the UK Organization: University of Karlsruhe, Germany Path: rz.uni-karlsruhe.de!news.uni-kl.de!news.belwue.de!swidir.switch.ch!in2p3.fr!univ-lyon1.fr!howland.erols.net!news3.cac.psu.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!news.cc.swarthmore.edu!netnews.upenn.edu!Lehigh.EDU!Lehigh.EDU!not-for-mail Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc Lines: 25 Message-ID: <53bdi6$1q8j@ns2-1.CC.Lehigh.EDU> NNTP-Posting-Host: ns2-1.cc.lehigh.edu X-Newsreader: Value-Added NewsWatcher 2.0b24.0+ Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hello BritDisc readers, anyone out there (in the "UK area") capable of answering this request ? Thomas Griesbaum Gummibears Karlsruhe, Germany --------------------------------------------------- I am abroad for the year here in Nottingham, attending the University of, and \i am starting an Ultiamte program here. If there are any established teams in the UK area, \i would greatly appreciate contact information, ideas, and all of the support \i can get. (\ means shift, sorry) I am very familiar with the UPA, the governing body back in the states, and was wondering if there was an established governing body here \i could turn to for help... Again, any and all contact information about teams presently playing in the UK would be greatly appreciated. Responses can be sent to this account, or my account here at U.Nott.: Oh, anyone have discraft's e-mail address offhand? Thanks, Kevin ---------------------------------------------------------------------- | Kevin J. Stefanich | Civil Engineering | | e-mail: kjs9@Lehigh.edu | Class of 1998 | | @School USA | @Home | | | Lehigh University | 12 Evelyn Drive | Lehigh Ultimate | | Box G-448 | Syosset NY, 11791-6818 | LUFT? | From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Oct 8 10:34:47 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id KAA26849; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 10:34:23 +0100 (BST) Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id KAA21167; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 10:30:08 +0100 (BST) Received: from wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id KAA21160; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 10:29:59 +0100 (BST) Received: by wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk (UK-Smail 3.1.25.1/15) id ; Tue, 8 Oct 96 10:29 BST Message-Id: Date: Tue, 8 Oct 96 10:29 BST From: mackay@mrao.cam.ac.uk (David J.C. MacKay) To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk, kjs9@lehigh.edu Subject: Re: Ultimate in the UK Cc: evymkjs@evn1.civeng.nottingham.ac.uk, thgries@ira.uka.de Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO Dear Kevin, A team that is located very close to Nottingham University is SuperFly (Open) Sam 30 Coalville Street , Nottingham . NG1 4HQ Home: 0115 9473145 / 933 3762 Email: DA601450@ntu.ac.uk Superfly are famous for their spirit and you should have a great time making contact between your new university group and them. General information about UK ultimate can be found on the web here http://wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk/buf/ As for discraft, their email is discraft@aol.com but you might find they respond more promptly to a fax at 00-1-810-624 2310 The contacts at Discraft are called Gail and Diane and they are very helpful. Yours, David Strange Blue From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Oct 8 14:07:20 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id OAA16130; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 14:06:22 +0100 (BST) Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id NAA05265; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 13:59:26 +0100 (BST) Received: from haymarket.ed.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id NAA05198; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 13:58:09 +0100 (BST) Received: from srv0.civ.ed.ac.uk (srv0.civ.ed.ac.uk [129.215.60.200]) by haymarket.ed.ac.uk (8.6.13/8.6.12) with ESMTP id NAA24719 for ; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 13:58:00 +0100 Received: from CIV-SRV0/SpoolDir by srv0.civ.ed.ac.uk (Mercury 1.21); 8 Oct 96 14:00:07 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by CIV-SRV0 (Mercury 1.30); 8 Oct 96 13:59:53 +0000 From: "BARRY O'KANE" Organization: Civil Engineering, Edinburgh Uni To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 13:59:44 +0000 Subject: Edinburgh Beginner's Tournament Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Message-ID: <289D5A37B7A@srv0.civ.ed.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO You are invited to attend this years Beginners tournament in Edinburgh: Venue: Meadowbank Sports centre, Edinburgh (indoors) Date: 16/17 November Cost: 60 quid per team Accom: Highland Suite in the Caledonian Hotel (or the just as comfortable floors of the Sneeekys). Party: Huge event - even bigger than last years!! NOTES: Teams must be made up of Beginners (ie those with LESS than 4 MONTHS playing experience) - although ONE coach is allowed on the pitch at any one time - this coach CANNOT catch disks in the ENDZONE (no limit to the number of coaches who want to attend). Further details (maps etc) will be sent to teams that pay at least a 10pound deposit. Please make cheques etc payable to E.U.U.F.C. and send them to: Barry O'Kane 3 (TFR) W. Preston Street Edinburgh Eh8 9PX Or phone me (0131) 667 7264 for more info. See you there, BARRY From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Oct 8 22:51:51 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id WAA27796; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 22:51:39 +0100 (BST) Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id WAA08857; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 22:47:52 +0100 (BST) Received: from phidelta.demon.co.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id WAA08850; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 22:47:42 +0100 (BST) Date: Tue, 08 Oct 1996 22:30:55 GMT From: LayoutDreams@phidelta.demon.co.uk (Wayne Retter) Reply-To: LayoutDreams@phidelta.demon.co.uk Message-Id: <2787@phidelta.demon.co.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: SE Regionals Invites X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Lines: 21 Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO Apologies to all SE Regional teams: we appear to have had a bit of a postal problem, so very few teams have received their invites (which went in the post quite a while ago). Stu Clarke is hassling you all to find out why you haven't sent cheques (but now we know) For details of how much to pay, who to and where to post it, phone Chris Hughes first on 0151-260-1840 (home) or 0151-231-2158 (uni/work) if there's no answer. When you've promised that a cheque is going in the post he'll send you an info pack explaining exactly what's going on. (Sorry I can't tell you how much, Chris worked it all out and my copy of the invite hasn't arrived! but cheques are payable to "Layout Dreams" and should be posted to Chris Hughes at his address in Ultimatum) Wayne _____________________________________________________________________________ Chris Hughes layoutDREAMS Wayne Retter +44/0-151-260-1840 LayoutDreams@phidelta.demon.co.uk +44/0-1737-242109 From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Oct 9 18:13:03 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id SAA07641; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 18:12:44 +0100 (BST) Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id RAA04902; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 17:41:51 +0100 (BST) Received: from pixie.ntu.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id RAA04695; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 17:39:07 +0100 (BST) Received: from morse (actually morse.ntu.ac.uk) by pixie.ntu.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Wed, 9 Oct 1996 17:36:38 +0100 Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 16:54:23 +0100 Message-Id: <96100916542281@morse.ntu.ac.uk> From: DA601450@ntu.ac.uk (J Petz - MSC EUROPEAN CONSTRUCTION MANAGT) To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Hello to UK Frisbee! X-VMS-To: SMTP%"britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk" Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hi there UKFrisbeeplayers, I am an Austrian Frisbeeplayer studying in Nottingham for a few month and I would be interested in spending some days in London. Could anybody of the Londonfrisbeecrowd put me up for a few nights? Hope to see you all at the pne or other tourneament. Johannes From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Oct 9 20:40:54 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id UAA17746; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 20:40:38 +0100 (BST) Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id UAA15294; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 20:35:25 +0100 (BST) Received: from iraun1.ira.uka.de by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id UAA15280; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 20:35:07 +0100 (BST) Received: from [129.13.2.181] (actually i02mac181.ira.uka.de) by iraun1 with SMTP (PP); Wed, 9 Oct 1996 21:33:21 +0200 X-Sender: thgries@iraul1.ira.uka.de (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 21:35:32 +0200 To: EuroDisc@ira.uka.de, frisbee@win.tue.nl, britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk, ultimate@doe.carleton.ca From: thgries@ira.uka.de (Thomas Griesbaum) Subject: European Juniors Indoor Ultimate Club Championships Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO Mailed out through EuroDisc BritDisc the Dutch mailing list rec.sport.disc (sorry for the spam) --------------------------------------------------------------------- 1st EFDF European Juniors Indoor Ultimate Club Championships To: Junior Ultimate club teams Junior Ultimate coaches Junior Ultimate players in Europe Ralf Dentzer of the Frizzly Bears Juniors from Aachen, Germany, has suggested to the EFDF to host a European Championship in Indoor Ultimate for Juniors. His initial survey among some neighbouring countries has made it seem very likely that there will be enough participation from different countries to warrant a true European level of Ultimate. Therefore EFDF is sanctioning his event even though we are not certain that it will happen again at regular intervals. Please, pass on the information given below to all Junior clubs, coaches and players in your country. Send addresses of Junior teams and Junior coaches to Ralf Dentzer (address see below). Regards, Thomas Griesbaum European Flying Disc Federation P.S.: For your information, the address of the international contact for France has changed: F.F.D.F. International Relations Valerie AAKRA 2 Rue Petel 75015 PARIS France phone: +33 1 40 45 03 10 e-mail: LetinierV@aol.com --------------------------------------------- 1st EFDF European Juniors Indoor Ultimate Club Championships Date: Friday, Nov. 29th to Dec. 1st, 1996 (games are planned to start at noon) Where: Aachen, Germany (close to the Belgian and Dutch borders) Host: Ralf Dentzer Altdorfstr. 31 52066 Aachen Germany phone: +49 2 41 6 84 39 fax: +49 2 41 60 35 96 Who: Junior club teams, with a defintion of a club team as: "At least 50% of the players of a team should be from the same club" Number of teams: There will be three halls, so there is room for approx. 20 teams Accomodation: In one of the halls (included in the players fee) Food: Breakfast will be included in the players fee Fees: The total fee will be around 25.- DM per player Registration: Please send to Ralf Dentzer as soon as possible - a reply indicating your interest to come - addresses of any other Junior teams or Junior coaches You will receive further information directly through the organisers From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Oct 10 11:09:23 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA25122; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 11:08:02 +0100 (BST) Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id LAA16149; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 11:03:08 +0100 (BST) Received: from amsta.leeds.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id LAA16054; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 11:01:42 +0100 (BST) Received: from newton.leeds.amsta (newton.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.64]) by amsta.leeds.ac.uk (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA12082 for ; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 11:03:08 +0100 Received: by newton.leeds.amsta (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA09885; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 11:04:54 +0100 Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 11:04:54 +0100 From: amtsjh@amsta.leeds.ac.uk (S J Hill) Message-Id: <199610101004.LAA09885@newton.leeds.amsta> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: another bloody message from me about National Indoors X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO sorry about this.... Regionals --------- These *must* now be for 1/2 March. There is no date for bids to be in by. As soon as I have ONE REALISTIC bid in a region then that bid will effectively set the deadline for that region. At this point I know of possible bids in SW, SE and N... (but I've already said that). Nothing from Mids as yet... Finals ------ I have one adequate (but probably no better than that) "bid" for finals. They need to know by the end of October (roughly). This tourney will be 22/23 March. You need to be able to have 2 reasonably sized courts/pitches. thats all for the moment Simon (Apologies for continually clogging up your mail spools...) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Oct 10 16:22:05 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id QAA23134; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 16:21:11 +0100 (BST) Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id QAA06027; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 16:04:00 +0100 (BST) Received: from bungle.ftel.co.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id QAA05860; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 16:00:30 +0100 (BST) Received: from bungle.ftel.co.uk (ss@localhost.ftel.co.uk [127.0.0.1]) by bungle.ftel.co.uk (8.8.0/8.8.0/senet-solaris.mc@Tue01Oct1996-14:41PM) with SMTP id PAA01556; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 15:59:44 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <325D0F5E.402F@ftel.co.uk> Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 15:59:42 +0100 From: Steve Sheppard Organization: Fujitsu Telecommunications Europe Ltd X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (X11; I; SunOS 5.5 sun4m) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: iws1@le.ac.uk, britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: STAN contact details Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO Please update your address books! The new STAN contact details are as follows: Tony Wakeford 43 Arthur Street Kenilworth Warwickshire CV8 2HF Tel: 01926 852740 (home) 01926 513188 (work) Email: S.Sheppard@ftel.co.uk Thank you! Steve STAN From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Oct 10 21:46:59 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id VAA18966; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 21:46:47 +0100 (BST) Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id VAA24212; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 21:44:21 +0100 (BST) Received: from phidelta.demon.co.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id VAA24183; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 21:43:34 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 21:31:42 GMT From: LayoutDreams@phidelta.demon.co.uk (Wayne Retter) Reply-To: LayoutDreams@phidelta.demon.co.uk Message-Id: <2809@phidelta.demon.co.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: (SE) Regionals cheques received X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Lines: 24 Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO Sorry to everyone else, but... In response to some queries about whether we've received cheques, we have: Mad Kows Albatross Lurkers Hurricaine Village People BGA Angels Playthings Strange Blue Violently Happy UTI allegedly "in the post" are: Mohawks SFA Shotgun First Touch Bliss definately NOT coming are: Miranda Chaos Strollers any SE teams who haven't yet sent there entries, 1) PHONE Chris Hughes on 0151-260-1840 and let him know you want to come. 2) Post a cheque, payable to "Layout Dreams" to Chris Hughes at 126 Herschell Street, Anfield, Liverpool, L5 1XE Cheers, Wayne _____________________________________________________________________________ Chris Hughes layoutDREAMS Wayne Retter +44/0-151-260-1840 LayoutDreams@phidelta.demon.co.uk +44/0-1737-242109 From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Oct 11 22:26:50 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id WAA19910; Fri, 11 Oct 1996 22:26:42 +0100 (BST) Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id WAA28170; Fri, 11 Oct 1996 22:25:17 +0100 (BST) Received: from phidelta.demon.co.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id WAA28150; Fri, 11 Oct 1996 22:25:03 +0100 (BST) Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 22:09:23 GMT From: LayoutDreams@phidelta.demon.co.uk (Wayne Retter) Reply-To: LayoutDreams@phidelta.demon.co.uk Message-Id: <2829@phidelta.demon.co.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Nationals: Payment X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Lines: 20 Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO to ALL TEAMS, all teams that Qualify at Regionals to attend Nationals are expected to pay on the Sunday of Regionals, so BRING YOUR CHEQUE BOOKS IF you forget your cheque book YOU MUST POST A CHEQUE FIRST THING MONDAY MORNING Any teams from whom we have not received cheques TO BANK ON WEDNESDAY will be FINED for late payment. The FINE will be an additional GBP 30.00 which will be used as a rebate to bring down the tournament cost for the other teams Wayne Retter on Behalf of Layout Dreams Tournament Directors of the National Outdoor Championships 1996 sanctioned by the British Ultimate Federation _____________________________________________________________________________ Chris Hughes layoutDREAMS Wayne Retter +44/0-151-260-1840 LayoutDreams@phidelta.demon.co.uk +44/0-1737-242109 From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sat Oct 12 19:50:44 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id TAA27528; Sat, 12 Oct 1996 19:50:33 +0100 (BST) Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id TAA28780; Sat, 12 Oct 1996 19:49:17 +0100 (BST) Received: from phidelta.demon.co.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id TAA28773; Sat, 12 Oct 1996 19:49:06 +0100 (BST) Date: Sat, 12 Oct 1996 19:43:34 GMT From: LayoutDreams@phidelta.demon.co.uk (Wayne Retter) Reply-To: LayoutDreams@phidelta.demon.co.uk Message-Id: <2838@phidelta.demon.co.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Indoor Tournament November 15/16 X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Lines: 12 Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO in Hitchin (yep, at the school where the SE Regional and National Outdoors are). We know it's the same weekend as the Edinburgh Beginners, but this is aimed at all the NON beginners, particulary in the surrounding area. Invitations will be issued by Simon Hill (cheers Si!), Wayne Retter and Chris Hughes at the Outdoor Regionals and Nationals. Wayne _____________________________________________________________________________ Chris Hughes layoutDREAMS Wayne Retter +44/0-151-260-1840 LayoutDreams@phidelta.demon.co.uk +44/0-1737-242109 From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Oct 14 07:50:53 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id HAA22891; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 07:50:42 +0100 (BST) Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id HAA15299; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 07:48:29 +0100 (BST) Received: from crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id HAA15293; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 07:48:12 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1996 07:48:09 +0100 (BST) From: Mr R C Doswell Message-Id: <27844.199610140648@crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Received: by crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk id HAA27844; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 07:48:09 +0100 (BST) To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: (UK) BUF Events Reminder Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO British Ultimate Federation Disc Events Diary --------------------------------------------- October 1996 ------------ Saturday 19 October 1996 BUF Regional Outdoor Championships (North and Midlands) (2 days) @ Boston Spa BUF Regional Outdoor Championships (South East) (2 days) @ Priory School, Hitchin, Herts BUF Regional Outdoor Championships (South West) (2 days) @ Double Locks, Exeter Uni Saturday 26 October 1996 BUF Outdoor Finals (2 days) @ Priory School, Hitchin, Herts November 1996 ------------- Saturday 9 November 1996 Mythago Beginners Tourny (2 days) @ Bristol Saturday 16 November 1996 Edinburgh Beginners Tournament (2 days) @ Edinburgh, UK Indoor tourny (2 days) @ Priory school, Hitchen. Saturday 30 November 1996 SFA Indoor tourny (2 days) @ Farnborough, Hants Student Indoor Regionals (2 days) TBC February 1997 ------------- Saturday 8 February 1997 Newport Indoors (2 days) @ Newport Saturday 22 February 1997 BUF Student Indoor Finals (2 days) @ Leeds (TBC) March 1997 ---------- Saturday 1 March 1997 National Indoor Regionals (2 days) Saturday 8 March 1997 Warwick Indoors (2 days) @ Coventry Saturday 22 March 1997 National Indoor Finals (2 days) April 1997 ---------- Saturday 26 April 1997 Student Outdoors (2 days) TBC August 1997 ----------- Saturday 23 August 1997 1997 BDGA Championships (2 days) (Non-Ultimate) TBC --------------------------------------------------------------- British Ultimate Federation Disc Events Diary http://www.csv.warwick.ac.uk:5201/cgi-bin/diary Ranulf Doswell, ralf@dcs.warwick.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Oct 14 12:05:04 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id MAA11412; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 12:03:48 +0100 (BST) Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id LAB26371; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 11:50:41 +0100 (BST) Received: from violet.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA26331; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 11:48:55 +0100 (BST) Received: from dns0.mottmac.co.uk by violet.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id LAA21061; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 11:48:27 +0100 (BST) Received: from smtp-gate.mottmac.com by dns0.mottmac.co.uk (ElectricMail-MESSAGE-2.0-GAMMA) id LAA07393; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 11:45:10 +0100 Received: from Connect2 Message Router by smtp-gate.mottmac.com via Connect2-SMTP 4.00; Mon, 14 Oct 96 11:46:16 +0000 Message-ID: <5491B537010C01C0@smtp-gate.mottmac.com> Date: Mon, 14 Oct 96 11:36:32 -0400 From: "Milne, Douglas M" Organization: Mott MacDonald To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: (London) Floodlit practices. X-mailer: Connect2-SMTP 4.00 MHS to SMTP Gateway Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO Shotgun are currently in negotiations with Wandsworth Council trying to get the use of Tooting running track on a Monday evening. The only point still in discussion is the price (they charge footballers ś20 an hour, but expect somewhat less for us). What we need is maybe 10 more experienced players who would be interested in coming down for a serious run about (of course having the track there means there's lots of opportunity to do that running you always promised yourself you'd do). Hopefully then we'll be able to get 15 to 20 people out for a couple of hours, probably costing only ś2 a session. Please can any interested parties contact me (Doug - Shotgun) and pass this message on to any of your team-mates who you think might be interested. ( I know some UTI were interested). At the present time this is just a trial for us as Wandsworth Council never normally lets anybody use the track on any other night than Wednesdays. If this scheme goes well then there may be opportunity to have the use of many of the other running tracks around London for other teams, most of which are floodlit every night and are hardly ever used. Many Thanx Doug - Shotgun Wedding H 0181 769 8361 W 0181 686 5041 x3236 From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Oct 14 18:53:53 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id SAA08134; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 18:52:49 +0100 (BST) Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id SAA15468; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 18:46:37 +0100 (BST) Received: from violet.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id SAA15431; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 18:45:23 +0100 (BST) Received: from haymarket.ed.ac.uk by violet.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id RAA15107; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 17:50:09 +0100 (BST) Received: from srv0.civ.ed.ac.uk (srv0.civ.ed.ac.uk [129.215.60.200]) by haymarket.ed.ac.uk (8.6.13/8.6.12) with ESMTP id RAA02167 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 17:50:05 +0100 Received: from CIV-SRV0/SpoolDir by srv0.civ.ed.ac.uk (Mercury 1.21); 14 Oct 96 17:52:12 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by CIV-SRV0 (Mercury 1.30); 14 Oct 96 17:51:56 +0000 From: "BARRY O'KANE" Organization: Civil Engineering, Edinburgh Uni To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1996 17:51:48 +0000 Subject: Student survey Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Message-ID: <31DB78E3DA3@srv0.civ.ed.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hi, All university clubs should get a copy of the Student Ultimate survey in the next day or two; please take just a moment to fill it out as accurately as you can. This information will be collated and used to help improve the organisation of student Ultimate, so it is to your own benefit to make sure that your copy is completed and returned as soon as possible. Hopefully the collated results will be made available to anyone interested very soon. Completed forms can be taken to the Outdoor regional Qualifiers next weekend and given to: In the North and Midlands: ME (Barry O'Kane) - Sneeekys In the South WEST: Gynga Andy Kayley - Skunks In the South EAST: Dora Kemp - Strange Blue Or you can post it to me at the address below. Please make sure that your completed survey is returned before the 1st of November. Also, we still need bids for the indoor qualifiers (1st Nov) - and time is not on our side. Thanks for your help, BARRY O'KANE 3(TFR) W. Preston Street Edinburgh EH8 9PX From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Oct 17 18:54:40 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id SAA25929; Thu, 17 Oct 1996 18:53:53 +0100 (BST) Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id SAA01857; Thu, 17 Oct 1996 18:46:33 +0100 (BST) Received: from clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id SAA01838; Thu, 17 Oct 1996 18:45:28 +0100 (BST) Received: from WWW.SKIPOOL.COM by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id SAA24905; Thu, 17 Oct 1996 18:44:30 +0100 (BST) Received: from parijs.tip.nl (143.177.1.10) by WWW.SKIPOOL.COM with SMTP (Apple Internet Mail Server 1.0); Thu, 17 Oct 1996 03:24:50 +0100 Received: from t515940 by parijs.tip.nl with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #16) id m0vDopi-000DmtC; Thu, 17 Oct 96 11:33 MET DST Message-Id: From: "Thomas Leder" To: , "responseds" Subject: Re: Snowfall Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 11:16:49 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO ---------- > From: responseds > To: thebiglist@www.skipool.com > Subject: Snowfall > Date: donderdag 17 oktober 1996 7:53 > > SKIPOOL > http://www.skipool.com > Box 606 Banff Ab. 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> Add what you think of the site in your own words here. > Also feel free to liberate any pictures or code you wish from the store. > > Thanks, Peace. > Mike & Kim @skipool > > > From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Oct 17 22:45:50 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id WAA18620; Thu, 17 Oct 1996 22:45:37 +0100 (BST) Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id WAA08032; Thu, 17 Oct 1996 22:41:56 +0100 (BST) Received: from violet.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id WAA08020; Thu, 17 Oct 1996 22:40:23 +0100 (BST) Received: from relay-4.mail.demon.net by violet.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id WAA10837; Thu, 17 Oct 1996 22:20:02 +0100 (BST) Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([(null)]) by relay-4.mail.demon.net id aa06625; 17 Oct 96 21:11 GMT Received: from phidelta.demon.co.uk ([158.152.248.177]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id aa26516; 17 Oct 96 22:09 BST Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 21:52:54 GMT From: Wayne Retter Reply-To: LayoutDreams@phidelta.demon.co.uk Message-Id: <2947@phidelta.demon.co.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Good Luck X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Lines: 8 Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO Cheesy maybe, but... Good Luck to all teams at all Regionals this weekend. Enjoy! _____________________________________________________________________________ Chris Hughes layoutDREAMS Wayne Retter +44/0-151-260-1840 LayoutDreams@phidelta.demon.co.uk +44/0-1737-242109 From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Oct 18 22:11:44 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id WAA08627; Fri, 18 Oct 1996 22:11:30 +0100 (BST) Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id FAA10282; Thu, 17 Oct 1996 05:44:12 +0100 (BST) Received: from violet.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id FAA10263; Thu, 17 Oct 1996 05:42:17 +0100 (BST) Received: from arl-img-4.compuserve.com by violet.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id CAA24976; Thu, 17 Oct 1996 02:27:35 +0100 (BST) Received: by arl-img-4.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id VAA10376; Wed, 16 Oct 1996 21:27:00 -0400 Date: 16 Oct 96 21:25:41 EDT From: Stuart Clark <101336.3664@compuserve.com> To: Britdisc Subject: Regional Reporters. Message-ID: <961017012540_101336.3664_GHW40-2@CompuServe.COM> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hi all, This is a request for anyone with a bit of journalistic flair to have a go at writing a report for Ultimatum. We (Paul and I) need reports in the region of 200-250 words ( we reserve the right to edit them) about the regional qualifying tournaments this weekend. What we want is a BROAD overview of the WHOLE tournament - NOT a look at the tournament from your team's point of view. So we are interested in: (1) Upsets (always good for some gossip) (2) Close Games (3) New and emerging teams (4) Spirit (or lack of) (5) Semi Finals (6) The final (obviously) (7) Final Placings (definitely) We would ask that each of the "reporters" at each of the regionals is someone other than the Tournament Directors as they will be rushed off their feet. If I could also ask each of the TD's to e-mail the final placings to me as well then that can't hurt. We need people who are prepared to be out on the fields most of the day watching games as well as playing them, not someone who thinks they can bang something together which resembles what happened over breakfast in Tesco's on Sunday morning. This is an important job so no timewasters please. The better the reports are, the better and more professional Ultimatum becomes, and remember, Ultimatum is reaching a wider audience now - it is becoming a banner for our sport. If you are interested can you let me know. Cheers Stu. P.S. One final piece of advice, please write the report as soon as you can after the tournament while your memory is fresh. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sat Oct 19 07:26:47 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id HAA08969; Sat, 19 Oct 1996 07:26:36 +0100 (BST) Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id GAA10743; Thu, 17 Oct 1996 06:01:43 +0100 (BST) Received: from violet.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id FAA10716; Thu, 17 Oct 1996 05:58:34 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 14:41:18 +0100 (BST) Received: from dns0.curved-logic.com by violet.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id OAA13563; Wed, 16 Oct 1996 14:41:18 +0100 (BST) Received: from pc04.curved-logic.com by dns0.curved-logic.com id aa03576; 16 Oct 96 14:40 GMT X-Sender: kevinl@dns0 (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 1 (Highest) To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: Kevin Lowe Subject: SW Regional - List of entrants. Sorry if you get this twice. My mailer is playing up. Message-ID: <9610161440.aa03576@dns0.curved-logic.com> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hi Everyone, Just thought it may be interesting to post a list of entrants, and probable seedings. If you think a team is seeded wrongly, then please let me know. Not promising I=92ll change anything though. We had 17 teams enter, but only space for 16, so many thanks to Picnic for pulling their third team out, to let Sharks enter their second team. I think they can count on at least two spirit votes for that. Teams. Druids Funky Monks Headrush Sharks I Distant Cuisons Tribal Desire Mythago I Skunks I Uriel I Picnic I Mythago II Skunks II Sharks II Picnic II Uriel II Funky Nuns Opening pools will be pretty standard A)1,7,9,15 B)2,8,10,16 C)3,5,11,13 D)4,6,12,14 Probably make a small change so that Uriel I and Uriel II are not in the same opening pool, and same for Nuns and Monks. Top 10 seedings are based on the results from last year=92s regional outdoors. Only change= is that Tribal Desire (Ex-Uriel) take the place of Uriel, and Uriel I slot in as 9th seeds.=20 Games begin on the Saturday at 10:00 sharp. You have been warned. Schedule, with 4 pitches, should be something like: 10:00 Pool A and B matches. 1v3 2v4 10:50 Pool C and D matches 1v3 2v4 11:40 Pool A and B matches. 1v2 3v4 12:30 Pool C and D matches 1v2 3v4 13:20 Pool A and B matches. 1v4 2v3 14:10 Pool C and D matches 1v4 2v3 15:15 Knockout stage. 5v12, 6v11, 7v10, 8v9 (I.e. Team finishing second in pool play third placed team in other pool that played at the same time). All matches are 45 minutes, with 5 minutes change-over. Knockout stage, match is an hour with a cap of 2 points above top score at time. Sunday morning, you are going to hate this. 08:30 Lower 8 Quarter finals 09:15 Top 8 Quarter Finals 10:30 Lower 8 Semis 11:15 Top 8 Semis 12:30 Lower 8 final match. 13:20 Top 8 final match. 14:30 The final As you can probably work out, all =91important=92 matches are an hour plus= cap. Final match for top 6 teams only alters the playing order at the finals. It does not affect which opponents they will meet (Cheers Simon, great= schedule). Just a quick request, like Simon did. If you have some cones, please bring them (Rob from Mythago, can you please bring your new ones). The groundsman is refusing to mark the pitches with painted lines, but he will put flags out. Having cones placed marking the sidelines would be a great help. That=92s about it, see you all Saturday morning, bright and early, or Friday night at Double Locks if you=92re coming down early, and er=85 Good luck for= the rest of the tournament. Kevin. |-------------------------------------------------------------- | E-mail Kev@Curved-logic.com | Curved Logic Limited. (+44)1244-382371 | Give me the wisdom to utter words that are gentle and tender, | for tomorrow I may have to eat them. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sat Oct 19 09:46:22 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id JAA15649; Sat, 19 Oct 1996 09:46:09 +0100 (BST) Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id GAA10824; Thu, 17 Oct 1996 06:06:23 +0100 (BST) Received: from violet.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id GAA10800; Thu, 17 Oct 1996 06:02:43 +0100 (BST) Received: from dub-img-2.compuserve.com by violet.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id NAA09929; Wed, 16 Oct 1996 13:52:56 +0100 (BST) Received: by dub-img-2.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id IAA18509; Wed, 16 Oct 1996 08:37:12 -0400 Date: 16 Oct 96 08:35:17 EDT From: Stuart Clark <101336.3664@compuserve.com> To: Britdisc Subject: Regional reports. Message-ID: <961016123516_101336.3664_GHW44-1@CompuServe.COM> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO Dear all, Could I ask all Tournament Directors to PLEASE keep a copy of the final placings at your respective tournaments and forward them on to me sometime. Also, Ultimatum is looking for people at each of the regional tournaments to write a report of the weekend. We're looking for something in the region of say 200-250 words (we reserve the right to edit it) that gives a BROAD view of the weekend. We want to hear about new and upcoming teams, upsets, the final (obviously), tight games, spirit shown, etc. It wouldn't hurt you to also make a note of the final placings. We would prefer these individuals to be someone other than the TD's who will already have plenty on their plates. If you feel you could do this then please let me know, Cheers, Stu. P.S. If you are going to write a report, it is advisable to write it within days of the tournament happening while your memory is still fresh. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sat Oct 19 10:16:14 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id KAA17318; Sat, 19 Oct 1996 10:16:02 +0100 (BST) Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id GAA10891; Thu, 17 Oct 1996 06:08:33 +0100 (BST) Received: from violet.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id GAA10825; Thu, 17 Oct 1996 06:03:55 +0100 (BST) Received: from dns0.curved-logic.com by violet.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id NAA09690; Wed, 16 Oct 1996 13:50:02 +0100 (BST) Received: from pc04.curved-logic.com by dns0.curved-logic.com id aa03428; 16 Oct 96 13:53 GMT Received: by dns0.curved-logic.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BBBB69.020BAB60@dns0.curved-logic.com>; Wed, 16 Oct 1996 13:50:36 +-100 Message-ID: <01BBBB69.020BAB60@dns0.curved-logic.com> From: Kevin Lowe To: "'britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk'" Subject: South West Regionals - List of Entrants Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 13:50:34 +-100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hi Everyone, Just thought it may be interesting to post a list of entrants, and = probable seedings. If you think a team is seeded wrongly, then please = let me know. Not promising I'll change anything though. We had 17 teams = enter, but only space for 16, so many thanks to Picnic for pulling their = third team out, to let Sharks enter their second team. I think they can = count on at least two spirit votes for that. Teams. Druids Funky Monks Headrush Sharks I Distant Cuisons Tribal Desire Mythago I Skunks I Uriel I Picnic I Mythago II Skunks II Sharks II Picnic II Uriel II Funky Nuns Opening pools will be pretty standard A)1,7,9,15 B)2,8,10,16 = C)3,5,11,13 D)4,6,12,14 Probably make a small change so that Uriel I = and Uriel II are not in the same opening pool, and same for Nuns and = Monks. Top 10 seedings are based on the results from last year's = regional outdoors. Only change is that Tribal Desire (Ex-Uriel) take the = place of Uriel, and Uriel I slot in as 9th seeds.=20 Games begin on the Saturday at 10:00 sharp. You have been warned. = Schedule, with 4 pitches, should be something like: 10:00 Pool A and B matches. 1v3 2v4 10:50 Pool C and D matches 1v3 2v4 11:40 Pool A and B matches. 1v2 3v4 12:30 Pool C and D matches 1v2 3v4 13:20 Pool A and B matches. 1v4 2v3 14:10 Pool C and D matches 1v4 2v3 15:15 Knockout stage. 5v12, 6v11, 7v10, 8v9 (I.e. Team finishing second = in pool play third placed team in other pool that played at the same = time). All matches are 45 minutes, with 5 minutes change-over. Knockout stage, = match is an hour with a cap of 2 points above top score at time. Sunday morning, you are going to hate this. 08:30 Lower 8 Quarter finals 09:15 Top 8 Quarter Finals 10:30 Lower 8 Semis 11:15 Top 8 Semis 12:30 Lower 8 final match. 13:20 Top 8 final match. 14:30 The final As you can probably work out, all 'important' matches are an hour plus = cap. Final match for top 6 teams only alters the playing order at the = finals. It does not affect which opponents they will meet (Cheers Simon, = great schedule). Just a quick request, like Simon did. If you have some cones, please = bring them (Rob from Mythago, can you please bring your new ones). The = groundsman is refusing to mark the pitches with painted lines, but he = will put flags out. Having cones placed marking the sidelines would be a = great help. That's about it, see you all Saturday morning, bright and early, or = Friday night at Double Locks if you're coming down early, and er... Good = luck for the rest of the tournament. Kevin. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sat Oct 19 14:55:47 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id OAA02327; Sat, 19 Oct 1996 14:55:33 +0100 (BST) Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id DAA12243; Fri, 18 Oct 1996 03:47:23 +0100 (BST) Received: from violet.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id DAA12234; Fri, 18 Oct 1996 03:46:32 +0100 (BST) Received: from mailhost.atlas.co.uk by violet.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id CAA24875; Fri, 18 Oct 1996 02:42:51 +0100 (BST) Received: from by mailhost.atlas.co.uk (4.1/PIPEX simple 1.9) id AB26630; Fri, 18 Oct 96 02:44:49 BST Message-Id: <9610180144.AB26630@mailhost.atlas.co.uk> Subject: Ultimatum - Regionals reports Date: Fri, 18 Oct 96 02:44:41 +0100 From: Paul Hurt To: "BritDisc" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hi y'all Would anyone playing this weekend be interested in writing a tiny report on your regional tournament for Ultimatum? I'm only talking about 175 words MAX, so not a terribly demanding job. I'm sure some people were planning to post to BritDisc anyway, but it'd be nice to get some stuff on any new teams that show up, surprise results, close crucial games, etc. Sometimes reporters miss this kind of stuff because they're not keeping an eye out for it in advance. If you're up for it, please let Stu Clark know (in advance preferably, i.e. today) by either phoning 01784 251493 or e-mailing him at 101336.3664@compuserve.com Thanks Paul --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Hurt Editor, Ultimatum Magazine, London, England e-mail aflitho@macline.co.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sun Oct 20 11:46:06 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA10989; Sun, 20 Oct 1996 11:45:07 +0100 (BST) Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id MAA12682; Tue, 15 Oct 1996 12:54:05 +0100 (BST) Received: from venus.le.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id MAA12638; Tue, 15 Oct 1996 12:52:59 +0100 (BST) Received: from rose.le.ac.uk by venus.le.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Tue, 15 Oct 1996 12:57:18 +0100 Received: from ROSE/SpoolDir by rose.le.ac.uk (Mercury 1.21); 15 Oct 96 12:49:02 +0100 (BST) Received: from SpoolDir by ROSE (Mercury 1.30); 15 Oct 96 12:48:43 +0100 (BST) From: "R.A. Kingsley" To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 12:48:34 +0100 (BST) Subject: 22? Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.40) Message-ID: <2013134392C@rose.le.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO Actually, 22 rings a bell...erm...mmm.....nope it's gone!! sorry! Sorry Si.....merely Jesting (!), Rob Kingsley. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sun Oct 20 11:46:09 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA11002; Sun, 20 Oct 1996 11:45:13 +0100 (BST) Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id MAA10758; Tue, 15 Oct 1996 12:13:05 +0100 (BST) Received: from amsta.leeds.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id MAA10718; Tue, 15 Oct 1996 12:11:50 +0100 (BST) Received: from newton.leeds.amsta (newton.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.64]) by amsta.leeds.ac.uk (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA27891 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 1996 12:13:14 +0100 Received: by newton.leeds.amsta (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id MAA17176; Tue, 15 Oct 1996 12:15:07 +0100 Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 12:15:07 +0100 From: amtsjh@amsta.leeds.ac.uk (S J Hill) Message-Id: <199610151115.MAA17176@newton.leeds.amsta> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: magic number X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO I thought people might be interested to hear that there are 22 (yes - thats twenty-two) teams entering the North&Mids Regional. I wonder if the number 22 will crop up anywhere else during Nationals? From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sun Oct 20 11:46:17 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA11011; Sun, 20 Oct 1996 11:45:20 +0100 (BST) Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id NAA14939; Tue, 15 Oct 1996 13:41:42 +0100 (BST) Received: from violet.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id NAA14929; Tue, 15 Oct 1996 13:41:03 +0100 (BST) Received: from haymarket.ed.ac.uk by violet.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id NAA13463; Tue, 15 Oct 1996 13:00:46 +0100 (BST) Received: from srv0.civ.ed.ac.uk (srv0.civ.ed.ac.uk [129.215.60.200]) by haymarket.ed.ac.uk (8.6.13/8.6.12) with ESMTP id NAA29903 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 1996 13:00:40 +0100 Received: from CIV-SRV0/SpoolDir by srv0.civ.ed.ac.uk (Mercury 1.21); 15 Oct 96 13:02:47 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by CIV-SRV0 (Mercury 1.30); 15 Oct 96 13:02:21 +0000 From: "BARRY O'KANE" Organization: Civil Engineering, Edinburgh Uni To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 13:02:12 +0000 Subject: Ooops Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Message-ID: <330E4834DFA@srv0.civ.ed.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO Anyone spot the deliberate error? What I ment was that the Student indoor regionals are on the 30Nov/1Dec. BARRY From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sun Oct 20 11:46:20 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA11027; Sun, 20 Oct 1996 11:45:27 +0100 (BST) Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id NAA15084; Tue, 15 Oct 1996 13:46:29 +0100 (BST) Received: from violet.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id NAA15065; Tue, 15 Oct 1996 13:45:35 +0100 (BST) Received: from bungle.ftel.co.uk by violet.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id MAA13155; Tue, 15 Oct 1996 12:55:48 +0100 (BST) Received: from bungle.ftel.co.uk (ss@localhost.ftel.co.uk [127.0.0.1]) by bungle.ftel.co.uk (8.8.0/8.8.0/senet-solaris.mc@Tue01Oct1996-14:41PM) with SMTP id MAA01593 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 1996 12:55:31 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <32637BB0.FD1@ftel.co.uk> Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 12:55:28 +0100 From: Steve Sheppard Organization: Fujitsu Telecommunications Europe Ltd X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (X11; I; SunOS 5.5 sun4m) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Re: magic number References: <199610151115.MAA17176@newton.leeds.amsta> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO S J Hill wrote: > > I thought people might be interested to hear that there are 22 > (yes - thats twenty-two) teams entering the North&Mids Regional. The list of teams would be even more interesting! Although I suppose I can contain my excitement until the weekend!! > I wonder if the number 22 will crop up anywhere else during Nationals? Someones got to win the wooden spoon I suppose!!! ;-) Steve STAN From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sun Oct 20 11:46:32 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA11039; Sun, 20 Oct 1996 11:45:33 +0100 (BST) Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id LAA17053; Wed, 16 Oct 1996 11:51:33 +0100 (BST) Received: from violet.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA16986; Wed, 16 Oct 1996 11:50:05 +0100 (BST) Received: from amsta.leeds.ac.uk by violet.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id JAA22757; Wed, 16 Oct 1996 09:58:23 +0100 (BST) Received: from newton.leeds.amsta (newton.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.64]) by amsta.leeds.ac.uk (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA19349 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 1996 09:57:25 +0100 Received: by newton.leeds.amsta (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA18799; Wed, 16 Oct 1996 09:59:20 +0100 Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 09:59:20 +0100 From: amtsjh@amsta.leeds.ac.uk (S J Hill) Message-Id: <199610160859.JAA18799@newton.leeds.amsta> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: another cones request X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hi Just a quick message to people coming to N&M Reg. Can you bring your cones with you please? This way we will have many more than we need... which is good because we have invented a great new form of entertainment which requires the little orange cones and one of those "amusing whining rubber bomb things"... Don't knwo if this request will be echoed by the other regionals TDs. I don't think so for SW... if LayoutDreams need some for SE then I'll be quite suprised - but I'm sure Wayne will let us know later today... bye Si From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sun Oct 20 11:46:50 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA11055; Sun, 20 Oct 1996 11:45:40 +0100 (BST) Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id SAA27900; Wed, 16 Oct 1996 18:48:13 +0100 (BST) Received: from phidelta.demon.co.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id SAA27876; Wed, 16 Oct 1996 18:46:28 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 18:32:26 GMT From: LayoutDreams@phidelta.demon.co.uk (Wayne Retter) Reply-To: LayoutDreams@phidelta.demon.co.uk Message-Id: <2915@phidelta.demon.co.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: FAO: Shotgun X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Lines: 11 Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO Dear Shotgun, Directions / Maps to Hitchin for SE Regionals will be faxed to Aram and John/Oz on Thursday as soon as Chris gets to a fax machine. Please arramge with them for the info to be circulated. Wayne _____________________________________________________________________________ Chris Hughes layoutDREAMS Wayne Retter +44/0-151-260-1840 LayoutDreams@phidelta.demon.co.uk +44/0-1737-242109 From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sun Oct 20 12:06:53 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id MAA12578; Sun, 20 Oct 1996 12:06:32 +0100 (BST) Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id MAA20544; Thu, 17 Oct 1996 12:25:05 +0100 (BST) Received: from violet.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id MAA20522; Thu, 17 Oct 1996 12:23:45 +0100 (BST) From: Neil.Jacobs@ubs.com Received: from WWW.SKIPOOL.COM by violet.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id MAA27992; Thu, 17 Oct 1996 12:21:16 +0100 (BST) Received: from uranus.ubs.com (193.134.254.67) by WWW.SKIPOOL.COM with SMTP (Apple Internet Mail Server 1.0); Thu, 17 Oct 1996 01:06:48 +0100 Received: by uranus.ubs.com; id IAA26590; Thu, 17 Oct 1996 08:00:13 +0100 (MET) Received: from unknown(137.156.150.131) by uranus.ubs.com via smap (V3.1.1) id xma026555; Thu, 17 Oct 96 08:00:07 +0100 Received: from by sv400net.flur.zuerich.ubs.ch with SMTP (1.37.109.16/16.2) id AA297826296; Thu, 17 Oct 1996 09:11:36 +0200 X-Openmail-Hops: 2 Date: Thu, 17 Oct 96 09:10:50 +0200 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: Snowfall Mime-Version: 1.0 To: flakes@www.skipool.com Cc: thebiglist@www.skipool.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; name="cc:Mail" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hi, Thanks for the message. I and some friends are in teh market for some new skis & possibly snowboards (although the latter may not be till a later date). We live in Switzerland and are interested in comparing the prices between the U.K., Switzerland, France and the U.S. If the U.S or Canada proves to be a lot cheaper, then we would be interested in sourceing our equipment from there. Both myself and a couple of frineds will be in the U.S. later this year and could have equipment shipped to a friends house overthere for us to bring back. In short, the answer to your question is YES if the price is right. This would also be the answer to ski clothing. Keep in touch and let me know what's happening. I'll try to dig out details of ski's that are on our list for testing later this year so you can give us some more accurate pricing. Cheers Neil From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sun Oct 20 12:06:55 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id MAA12584; Sun, 20 Oct 1996 12:06:35 +0100 (BST) Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id HAA15325; Fri, 18 Oct 1996 07:52:03 +0100 (BST) Received: from violet.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id HAA15293; Fri, 18 Oct 1996 07:49:13 +0100 (BST) Received: from amsta.leeds.ac.uk by violet.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id LAA23520; Thu, 17 Oct 1996 11:14:24 +0100 (BST) Received: from newton.leeds.amsta (newton.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.64]) by amsta.leeds.ac.uk (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA19045 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 1996 11:15:51 +0100 Received: by newton.leeds.amsta (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA21719; Thu, 17 Oct 1996 11:17:46 +0100 Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 11:17:46 +0100 From: amtsjh@amsta.leeds.ac.uk (S J Hill) Message-Id: <199610171017.LAA21719@newton.leeds.amsta> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: fwd from Kev Lowe X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO Kev is having trouble getting this through to BD - so I'm fwding it for him.... Si ----- Begin Included Message ----- >From <@pc04.curved-logic.com:kevinl> Thu Oct 17 11:08:08 1996 From: Kevin Lowe To: "'S J Hill'" Subject: Can you forward this to Britdisc Please Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 11:00:14 +-100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Simon, I can't get anything through to Britdisc, so can you forward this for me please. ---- Hi Everyone, Just thought it may be interesting to post a list of entrants, and probable seedings. If you think a team is seeded wrongly, then please let me know. Not promising I'll change anything though. We had 17 teams enter, but only space for 16, so many thanks to Picnic for pulling their third team out, to let Sharks enter their second team. I think they can count on at least two spirit votes for that. Teams. Druids Funky Monks Headrush Sharks I Distant Cuisons Tribal Desire Mythago I Skunks I Uriel I Picnic I Mythago II Skunks II Sharks II Picnic II Uriel II Funky Nuns Opening pools will be pretty standard A)1,7,9,15 B)2,8,10,16 C)3,5,11,13 D)4,6,12,14 Probably make a small change so that Uriel I and Uriel II are not in the same opening pool, and same for Nuns and Monks. Top 10 seedings are based on the results from last year's regional outdoors. Only change is that Tribal Desire (Ex-Uriel) take the place of Uriel, and Uriel I slot in as 9th seeds. Games begin on the Saturday at 10:00 sharp. You have been warned. Schedule, with 4 pitches, should be something like: 10:00 Pool A and B matches. 1v3 2v4 10:55 Pool C and D matches 1v3 2v4 11:50 Pool A and B matches. 1v2 3v4 12:45 Pool C and D matches 1v2 3v4 13:40 Pool A and B matches. 1v4 2v3 14:35 Pool C and D matches 1v4 2v3 15:30 Knockout stage. 5v12, 6v11, 7v10, 8v9 (I.e. Team finishing second in pool play third placed team in other pool that played at the same time). All matches are 50 minutes, with 5 minutes change-over. Knockout stage, match is an hour with a cap of 2 points above top score at time. Sunday morning, you are going to hate this. 08:30 Lower 8 Quarter finals 09:15 Top 8 Quarter Finals 10:30 Lower 8 Semis 11:15 Top 8 Semis 12:30 Lower 8 final match. 13:20 Top 8 final match. 14:30 The final As you can probably work out, all 'important' matches are an hour plus cap. Final match for top 6 teams only alters the playing order at the finals. It does not affect which opponents they will meet (Cheers Simon, great schedule). 'non-important' games are 45 minutes. [pleasure - Si] Just a quick request, like Simon did. If you have some cones, please bring them (Rob from Mythago, can you please bring your new ones). The groundsman is refusing to mark the pitches with painted lines, but he will put flags out. Having cones placed marking the sidelines would be a great help. That's about it, see you all Saturday morning, bright and early, or Friday night at Double Locks if you're coming down early, and er... Good luck for the rest of the tournament. Kevin. ----- End Included Message ----- From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sun Oct 20 12:07:03 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id MAA12588; Sun, 20 Oct 1996 12:06:38 +0100 (BST) Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id HAA15448; Fri, 18 Oct 1996 07:55:49 +0100 (BST) Received: from violet.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id HAA15417; Fri, 18 Oct 1996 07:52:42 +0100 (BST) Received: from WWW.SKIPOOL.COM by violet.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id IAA14279; Thu, 17 Oct 1996 08:54:05 +0100 (BST) Received: from [204.209.171.160] by WWW.SKIPOOL.COM with SMTP (Apple Internet Mail Server 1.0); Wed, 16 Oct 1996 23:49:48 +0100 X-Sender: flakes@www.skipool.com (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="========================_18422746==_" Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 23:53:43 -0600 To: thebiglist@www.skipool.com From: flakes@www.skipool.com (responseds) Subject: Snowfall Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO --========================_18422746==_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" SKIPOOL http://www.skipool.com Box 606 Banff Ab. TOLOCO (403)762-2460ph (403)762-8585 fax toll free 1 888 762-2460 flakes@www.skipool.com (email) Hello, We are a Company called skipool. "WE SELL SKIS!". More accuratley right now we sell racing equipment. What happens every year, if ski racing is your full time job, your sponser's rep. gives you 2-20 pairs of this years race skis plus boots , helmets , suits ... depending on who you race for. These skis are the R&D skis, the best technology available. Your job as a company sponsered athlete is to win, and test the skis, giving the company feed back so that in 2 or 3 years they can introduce that ski to the retail marketplace. To make a long story short we sell "race skis" obtained from company sponsered athletes at a provincial and national team level. If you have never skied on race stock, the difference is worldly; like the difference between your Car and Al Unsers or your skates and Gretsky's. Also you may not know it, but the Canadian National Ski Team is an amatuer orginization which, to the athletes, means no huge personal Corprate sponsers. So, we sell their gear. Some has been used and lots is still in the plastic but ethier way this is the only place in the world to buy a the fastest skis and the best Descente suits made. These guys have every piece of gear known to man. And they would like you to buy it. By using the internet we are trying to do several things. 1.Contact a global market to sell Canadian equipment. 2. Promote ski racing, heighten awarness and hopefully Sponsership for World Cup,Europa Cup and NorAm skiing athletes. 3. Start a Retail Store to Sell Skis Online! This part is new. So we would like to tell you what we can do and would like your input on how comfortable you are with the internet aswell as what would be important to you in an online ski rep. We can buy new skis from Rossignol,Salomon,Dynastar .... as well as boots,bindings,deflex,bags everything you see in a store. Retail Stores sign a contract to sell a company's equipment. In that contract is a lowest possible advetised price. This is the least retailers are allowed to advertise they sell Skis for. This provides that huge retailers don't cut out the little guy and makes sure top of the line skis are associated with top of the line price tags. Rossignol ex's: Suggested Retail $650 $US We could sell you these skis for $430 $US, $220 less, 66% of retail. Well, we are poor and we think that type of logic is stupid. In Banff we have been buying skis from reps or through a pro deal for half retail since time began. If we could provide equipment, online technical support to help you with making the right decsision, UPS 4-5 day delivery, and 100% money back guarantee, would you buy skis online? And would you tell everyone you know that it worked very well and saved $220? We believe that the best way to help you feel comfortable with an online ski store is to help you feel comforable with the internet. Download Netscape. You can download Netscape for free at http://home.netscape.com/comprod/mirror/client_download.html or order the retail version at the same place. We are looking for help telling the world about skipool. If you liked skipool and would like to link to us or know somewhere our link should be, please feel free to contact us at flakes@www.skipool.com or add us to any link list you would like. We would really appreciate it. Soon we'll have Malcom Charmichael World Cup Photography Race Results, Canadian Team Bio's, A sponsered athlete of the month, ...full retail Skis & Snowboards...... But first we are trying to get a feel for if an online ski store is fesable. These are services we would really like to provide. If you agree please visit skipool, send us mail or buy something. If there is a good response, we promise to be able to provide anything snow orienated you can dream of, for way less, before Christmas. If you would like to add a link to skipool, we have attatched an animated gif skipool logo for you to use. Just copy/paste the code below in the tag of your html document and add the local pathway to the folder where you plan to keep the wesellskis.gif. Any questions call us at flakes@www.skipool.com SKiPooL
Add what you think of the site in your own words here. Also feel free to liberate any pictures or code you wish from the store. Thanks, Peace. 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Sun, 20 Oct 1996 22:24:58 +0100 (BST) Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id WAA13529; Sun, 20 Oct 1996 22:22:35 +0100 (BST) Received: from phidelta.demon.co.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id WAA13524; Sun, 20 Oct 1996 22:22:16 +0100 (BST) Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996 21:50:06 GMT From: LayoutDreams@phidelta.demon.co.uk (Wayne Retter) Reply-To: LayoutDreams@phidelta.demon.co.uk Message-Id: <2949@phidelta.demon.co.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: SW Regionals: Results X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Lines: 28 Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO Proper report to follow from Kevin Lowe (TD), but these are the results: The top 6 qualify for Nationals seedings as shown: 1 Fluid Druids 2 2 HeadRush 4 3 Tribal Desire 10 4 Funky Monks 12 5 Skunks I 14 6 Mythago I 16 7 Cuisons 8 Sharks I 9 Uriel I PLATE Winners 10 Sharks II 11 Mythago II 12 Funky Nuns 13 Picnic I 14 Skunks II 15= Uriel II SPIRIT Winners 15= Picnic II Thankyou to Kevin and Uriel for hosting the event. Wayne _____________________________________________________________________________ Chris Hughes layoutDREAMS Wayne Retter +44/0-151-260-1840 LayoutDreams@phidelta.demon.co.uk +44/0-1737-242109 From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Oct 21 07:50:08 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id HAA28203; Mon, 21 Oct 1996 07:49:42 +0100 (BST) Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id HAA28230; Mon, 21 Oct 1996 07:48:13 +0100 (BST) Received: from crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id HAA28225; Mon, 21 Oct 1996 07:48:08 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 07:48:06 +0100 (BST) From: Mr R C Doswell Message-Id: <19852.199610210648@crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Received: by crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk id HAA19852; Mon, 21 Oct 1996 07:48:06 +0100 (BST) To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: (UK) BUF Events Reminder Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO British Ultimate Federation Disc Events Diary --------------------------------------------- October 1996 ------------ Saturday 26 October 1996 BUF Outdoor Finals (2 days) @ Priory School, Hitchin, Herts November 1996 ------------- Saturday 9 November 1996 Mythago Beginners Tourny (2 days) @ Bristol Saturday 16 November 1996 Edinburgh Beginners Tournament (2 days) @ Edinburgh, UK Indoor tourny (2 days) @ Priory school, Hitchen. Saturday 30 November 1996 SFA Indoor tourny (2 days) @ Farnborough, Hants Student Indoor Regionals (2 days) TBC February 1997 ------------- Saturday 8 February 1997 Newport Indoors (2 days) @ Newport Saturday 22 February 1997 BUF Student Indoor Finals (2 days) @ Leeds (TBC) March 1997 ---------- Saturday 1 March 1997 National Indoor Regionals (2 days) Saturday 8 March 1997 Warwick Indoors (2 days) @ Coventry Saturday 22 March 1997 National Indoor Finals (2 days) April 1997 ---------- Saturday 26 April 1997 Student Outdoors (2 days) TBC August 1997 ----------- Saturday 23 August 1997 1997 BDGA Championships (2 days) (Non-Ultimate) TBC --------------------------------------------------------------- British Ultimate Federation Disc Events Diary http://www.csv.warwick.ac.uk:5201/cgi-bin/diary Ranulf Doswell, ralf@dcs.warwick.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Oct 21 20:38:57 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id UAA10293; Mon, 21 Oct 1996 20:38:45 +0100 (BST) Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id UAA15510; Mon, 21 Oct 1996 20:35:36 +0100 (BST) Received: from crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id UAA15496; Mon, 21 Oct 1996 20:35:10 +0100 (BST) From: Ralf Message-Id: <10992.199610211935@crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Received: by crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk id UAA10992; Mon, 21 Oct 1996 20:35:05 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: (UK) BUF Events Reminder To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 20:35:03 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <961017161703_101336.3664_GHW129-1@CompuServe.COM> from "Stuart Clark" at Oct 17, 96 12:17:04 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hi there, This seems to be a general problem recently, so I thought I'd mail it to everyone... It also acts as a test that way. > I'm having a bit of trouble with my Britdisc account. I've mailed Britidisc > twice and not had the message denied or had it sent back to me i.e. reflected > off the server - so I figure no one else got it either. The computers here have been a little over-worked recently. Hopefully the messages will get through eventually, although judging from some e-mails I've received recently they could be delayed quite a long time... Anyway, the computing staff here are trying to persuade people to use another machine as the default mail server, so things _should_ improve soon. Ralf. ____ ____ _ _ ____ __ _\__ \ _\__ \ / \ / \\__/ Ranulf Doswell /// / \_/ /_ / \_/ \ / / / /___ /// \ __ \\ __ \\ \ _\ \\_/ ralf@dcs.warwick.ac.uk __ /// \ \ \ \\ \ \ \\ \__/ \\ \ \\\/// \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \______/ \_/ http://www.csv.warwick.ac.uk/~mauer/ \XX/ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Oct 22 04:37:36 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id EAA24018; Tue, 22 Oct 1996 04:37:22 +0100 (BST) Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id LAA07654; Mon, 21 Oct 1996 11:40:10 +0100 (BST) Received: from wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id LAA07587; Mon, 21 Oct 1996 11:39:03 +0100 (BST) Received: by wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk (UK-Smail 3.1.25.1/15) id ; Mon, 21 Oct 96 11:38 BST Message-Id: Date: Mon, 21 Oct 96 11:38 BST From: mackay@mrao.cam.ac.uk (David J.C. MacKay) To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: SE Regionals tournament report Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO South East Regional Ultimate Championships 1996 - Priory school, Hitchin 19th-20th October In the pool play there were a couple of upsets: First Touch (seeded bottom of the four in pool C) overturned Mohawks (second in the pool). And Village People knocked Lurkers out of their 4th seed slot in a tight game (Lurkers playing ironman seven). In the knockouts (incidentally, can a different tournament format be found which reliably identifies and ranks the top 5 teams in a region, independent of seeding?), First Touch continued to mock their number 14 seeding by taking the 4th seed slot from Village People 10-7 in a long game. In the 2nd/3rd semi-final, played in a windy rainstorm, neither UTI nor Violently Happy could produce more than a couple of up-wind points; UTI fended off V.H. by a narrow margin. In the final against Shotgun Wedding, UTI's upwind scoring rate was reduced to zero and Shotgun won convincingly. Fifth place - the lowest place qualifying for the nationals - was contested by Strange Blue, Lurkers, Exotica Playthings and Village People. Strange Blue knocked out Lurkers, and then beat Playthings in a close game by managing to score the crucial upwind points. It was a good spirited, wet and windy tournament, with excellent fields and fine cups of tea available all day; Mad Kows won Spirit. Final placings were [with initial seedings in brackets]: 1 Shotgun Wedding [1] 2 UTI [2] 3 Violently Happy [3] 4 First Touch [14] 5 Strange Blue [8] 6 Exotica Playthings [7] 7 Lurkers [4] 8 Village People [5] 9 (Plate) B.G.A. [11] 10/11 Mad Kows [15] 10/11 S.F.A. [9] 12 Angels [12] 13 (spoon) Mohawks [6] 14 Albatross [13] 15 Strange Blue 2 [17] 16 Hurricane [16] 17 Bliss [10] ========================================================================== David J.C. MacKay email: mackay@mrao.cam.ac.uk www: http://wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk/mackay/ Cavendish Laboratory, tel: (01223) 339852 fax: 354599 home: 276411 Madingley Road, international code: +44 1223 Cambridge CB3 0HE. U.K. home: 19 Thornton Road, Girton, Cambridge CB3 0NP From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Oct 22 04:39:20 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id EAA24127; Tue, 22 Oct 1996 04:39:02 +0100 (BST) Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id NAA16779; Mon, 21 Oct 1996 13:43:47 +0100 (BST) Received: from violet.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id NAA16735; Mon, 21 Oct 1996 13:42:55 +0100 (BST) From: dmurray@soton.ac.uk Received: from beech.soton.ac.uk by violet.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id NAA12710; Mon, 21 Oct 1996 13:16:31 +0100 (BST) Received: from ash.soton.ac.uk (ash.soton.ac.uk [152.78.128.88]) by beech.soton.ac.uk (8.6.12/hub-8.5a) with ESMTP id NAA21854 for ; Mon, 21 Oct 1996 13:16:20 +0100 Received: (from dmurray@localhost) by ash.soton.ac.uk (8.6.10/client-8.8) id KAA09853 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Mon, 21 Oct 1996 10:05:05 +0100 Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 10:05:05 +0100 Message-Id: <199610210905.KAA09853@ash.soton.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: South East regionals X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO some results 1 Shotgun 2 UTI 3 Violently Happy 4 First Touch 5 Strange Blue 6 Playthings 7 Lurkers 8 village people congratulations to first touch who were seeded very low but still managed to make semis and to shotgun who won with ease (much as I hate to admit it, final score was about 15 -3 ) see ya all at nationals lovely weather for it dave M UTI From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Oct 22 04:39:27 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id EAA24139; Tue, 22 Oct 1996 04:39:10 +0100 (BST) Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id MAA10527; Mon, 21 Oct 1996 12:22:08 +0100 (BST) Received: from venus.le.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id MAA10501; Mon, 21 Oct 1996 12:21:45 +0100 (BST) Received: from hawk.le.ac.uk by venus.le.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Mon, 21 Oct 1996 12:13:27 +0100 Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 12:05:08 +0100 (BST) From: Scott X-Sender: iws1@hawk To: britdisc Subject: Unofficial Results - Midlands/North Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO If anyone is interested the Top 5 qualifiers from Midlands/North Regionals are; 1. Stan 2. Catch 22 3. Chervon 4. Red 5. Blue Arse Flies Sorry I don't know the rest - I believe full results will be posted by Rich later. Thanks to Rich for putting on a great tournament - shame about the weather. Thanks to Rob for telling everyone about our weird offence!! Congrats to Purple Haze for Spirit. What happened in the South East?? Seeya all again this weekend. Scott /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ SCOTT: Ian Scotland Tel: 0116 2525824 Fax: 0116 2523154 E-mail: iws1@le.ac.uk http://wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk/buf/ /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Oct 22 04:40:20 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id EAA24210; Tue, 22 Oct 1996 04:40:03 +0100 (BST) Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id MAA12264; Mon, 21 Oct 1996 12:48:20 +0100 (BST) Received: from violet.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id MAA12240; Mon, 21 Oct 1996 12:47:52 +0100 (BST) Received: from venus.open.ac.uk by violet.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id LAA06052; Mon, 21 Oct 1996 11:19:23 +0100 (BST) Received: from blake.open.ac.uk by venus.open.ac.uk with SMTP Local (PP) id <00812-0@venus.open.ac.uk>; Mon, 21 Oct 1996 11:17:27 +0100 Received: from [137.108.224.60] (ck500939201.open.ac.uk) by blake.open.ac.uk (Netscape Mail Server v2.0) with SMTP id AAA18704 for ; Mon, 21 Oct 1996 11:16:17 +0100 X-Sender: john@blake Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: j.b.domingue@open.ac.uk (John Domingue) Subject: Re: SW Regionals: Results Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 11:16:17 +0100 Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO So the question on everyones lips is... what happened to the Monks? >Proper report to follow from Kevin Lowe (TD), but these are the results: > >The top 6 qualify for Nationals seedings as shown: > > 1 Fluid Druids 2 > 2 HeadRush 4 > 3 Tribal Desire 10 > 4 Funky Monks 12 !!!!!!! john From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Oct 22 04:40:30 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id EAA24231; Tue, 22 Oct 1996 04:40:13 +0100 (BST) Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id NAA14150; Mon, 21 Oct 1996 13:10:13 +0100 (BST) Received: from violet.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id NAA14127; Mon, 21 Oct 1996 13:08:55 +0100 (BST) Received: from amsta.leeds.ac.uk by violet.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id JAA29757; Mon, 21 Oct 1996 09:55:58 +0100 (BST) Received: from newton.leeds.amsta (newton.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.64]) by amsta.leeds.ac.uk (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA08234 for ; Mon, 21 Oct 1996 09:57:24 +0100 Received: by newton.leeds.amsta (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA26872; Mon, 21 Oct 1996 09:59:26 +0100 Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 09:59:26 +0100 From: amtsjh@amsta.leeds.ac.uk (S J Hill) Message-Id: <199610210859.JAA26872@newton.leeds.amsta> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: North and Mids - NOT a report. X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO hi no time (nor do I have sufficient info) for a report... But I know people will be bursting with excitement to know about how the qualification places ended up.... 1. Stan 2. Catch 22 3. Chevron AF ------------------ 4. Red 5. Blue Arse Flies Rich Parkes will post full results and a report soon (prob. tomorrow). Thanks to all involved. Briefly... (from our point of view only....) Massive congrats to BAF who recovered from their QF to beat Superfly and then Sneeeky's and reach nationals finals. Lets hope this team can stick together over the next couple of years.... And thanks to the ever-green Stan for an enjoyable "crowd-pleaser" final where fortunes swung one way and then the other... In particular its good to see Goodall back to doing what he does best... I believe he caught all of the last four scores as they came from 11-9 to take it 13-11... gutted! Looking forward to the re-match next week... Si From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Oct 22 04:45:07 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id EAA24533; Tue, 22 Oct 1996 04:44:53 +0100 (BST) Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id PAA25110; Mon, 21 Oct 1996 15:37:08 +0100 (BST) Received: from amsta.leeds.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id PAA25005; Mon, 21 Oct 1996 15:35:46 +0100 (BST) Received: from newton.leeds.amsta (newton.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.64]) by amsta.leeds.ac.uk (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA20226; Mon, 21 Oct 1996 15:37:01 +0100 Received: by newton.leeds.amsta (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id PAA27944; Mon, 21 Oct 1996 15:39:03 +0100 Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 15:39:03 +0100 From: amtsjh@amsta.leeds.ac.uk (S J Hill) Message-Id: <199610211439.PAA27944@newton.leeds.amsta> To: mackay@mrao.cam.ac.uk Subject: Re: SE Regionals tournament report Cc: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO Dave great to read report of what went on "down there"... I thought I'd reply to your question... > In the pool play there were a couple of upsets: > First Touch (seeded bottom of the four in pool C) overturned Mohawks > (second in the pool). And Village People knocked Lurkers out of their > 4th seed slot in a tight game (Lurkers playing ironman seven). > > In the knockouts (incidentally, can a different tournament format be > found which reliably identifies and ranks the top 5 teams in a region, > independent of seeding?), First Touch continued to mock their number > 14 seeding by taking the 4th seed slot from Village People 10-7 in a > long game. There are two points here: 1. being independant of seeding 2. getting the seeding right taking 2 first: nobody (except possibly First Touch) could have known that this might happen given their results over the summer. If they had got hold of Chris or myself beforehand and let us know that they had some different players then they may have been seeded higher... but TDs aren't psychic... (In N&M region, we heard that Superfly had some new players and we were able to act on the info.) and then 1.: A tournament format independent of seeding? The big barrier to this is of course the necessity to play the tourney out within a w/e... The only genuine way of ranking all teams is to run a complete league. Clearly this can't happen in a w/e... and a league running over the summer is something very far away from how ultimate seems to work.... However, an alternative is to have a ranking system based on tourney results. This is pretty obvious. What is not obvious is how this should be achieved. However, if the results are to be counted towards some sort of ranking/seeding for nationals then the system has to be clear - but also able to cope with a) ever-changing faces of teams... b) the fact that not everyone can enter every tourney - nor should they be expected to. c) tourneys are thus of varying strengths and a position in some should be "worth more" than the same position in another. I have been working on how we might usefully have such a system working at a number of specified tournaments. An outline of this will probably be in the next issue of ultimatum, (because of course its important that its an idea that most people want to try out). Whilst this won't help from the point of view of your question immediately, I hope that if it works out to be popular it could eventually become a fairer method by which teams qualify for Nationals, although I certainly haven't considered exactly how that would work as yet: there are obviously several alternatives.... Of course if people *are* interested in the idea it will basically give us a league (the ranking tour) and a cup (national finals).... which will open up the intriguing question of how many consecutive years Shotgun can "do the league and cup double"! There are several other motivating reasons behind the plan but I won't go on about it now. Hope this is of interest (and also that it makes sense). Simon From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Oct 22 04:49:54 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id EAA24873; Tue, 22 Oct 1996 04:49:32 +0100 (BST) Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id QAA00749; Mon, 21 Oct 1996 16:44:55 +0100 (BST) Received: from smtp-gate.mottmac.com by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id QAA00706; Mon, 21 Oct 1996 16:44:04 +0100 (BST) Received: from Connect2 Message Router by smtp-gate.mottmac.com via Connect2-SMTP 4.00; Mon, 21 Oct 96 16:47:19 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 21 Oct 96 16:44:17 -0400 From: "Milne, Douglas M" Organization: Mott MacDonald To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: S London Floodlit Shotgun Practice X-mailer: Connect2-SMTP 4.00 MHS to SMTP Gateway Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO Shotgun now have use of the Tooting Bec running track on Monday evenings for a trial period starting on the 4th of November. During this trial period we will be looking to form a solid group to maintain a high level and turnout at practices. At the moment entrance to the track will be around ś1.,50. Please can any interested parties see me at nationals, or have the message passed on, so I can get details/give you details & location. See You at Nationals Dougie - Shotgun Wedding (Still looking forward to having the same great weather we had this w'end, next w'end, wet, windy & perfect for layouts) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Oct 22 04:57:33 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id EAA25614; Tue, 22 Oct 1996 04:56:52 +0100 (BST) Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id SAA08825; Mon, 21 Oct 1996 18:36:20 +0100 (BST) Received: from pillar.elsevier.co.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id SAA08794; Mon, 21 Oct 1996 18:35:25 +0100 (BST) Received: from snowdon.elsevier.co.uk (snowdon.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.197.164]) by pillar.elsevier.co.uk (8.8.0/8.8.0) with ESMTP id SAA05135 for ; Mon, 21 Oct 1996 18:31:59 +0100 (BST) Received: from ELSEVIER.CO.UK (actually host eslgate.elsevier.co.uk) by snowdon.elsevier.co.uk with SMTP (PP); Mon, 21 Oct 1996 18:34:16 +0100 Received: from ES#u#OXF-Message_Server by ELSEVIER.CO.UK with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 21 Oct 1996 18:34:09 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 18:34:46 +0100 From: Toby Green To: j.b.domingue@open.ac.uk Cc: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Re: SW Regionals: Results -Reply Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO In reply to John Domingue asking the crucial question: what happened to the Monks????? Monks lost to Headrush 5-4 in an error-strewn game. The wind and rain didn't do anyone any favours! We were then faced with the prospect of playing tribal thingy, but on discovering that it made no difference - we both end up in the same pool - we decided to go home rather than get even wetter. Being the good chaps we are, we "threw" the game in tribal's favour, and hence become seed number 12. We will be gunning for 5th next weekend - we're not dead yet! On reflection, I'm not entirely happy about a tournament schedule where one game is so terribly crucial for two teams and insufficient time is allowed to play the game out. Our regional had no half-times (or time-outs) which makes winning/losing the toss a bit vital. [Not that I'm making excuses, Monks played dreadfully and had plenty of opportunities to win the game.] High standards must be set for games which are self-evidently going to be important, even if they can't be applied to all games in a busy tournament. Toby From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Oct 22 05:36:56 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id FAA28724; Tue, 22 Oct 1996 05:36:45 +0100 (BST) Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id VAA16907; Mon, 21 Oct 1996 21:01:15 +0100 (BST) Received: from phidelta.demon.co.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id VAA16874; Mon, 21 Oct 1996 21:00:25 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 20:47:14 GMT From: LayoutDreams@phidelta.demon.co.uk (Wayne Retter) Reply-To: LayoutDreams@phidelta.demon.co.uk Message-Id: <2996@phidelta.demon.co.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Hitchin Indoor Tournament X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Lines: 50 Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO For those of you who are interested but didn't receive/have already lost the invitation since Regionals: "The First Indoor Tourney of the Season" 16th + 17th November 1996 Priory School, Hitchin, Herts Dear team, Well, the Priory School have allowed us to run around on their pitches, and now they are allowing us to run around in their Sports Hall. So it's time to pack away those boots and get your indoor shoes out to air. Practice your tossy passes, the silly hammers, and get those discs stuck in the roof. The pitch will be a no walls pitch, so you won't end up crippling yourself first time out. The venue is obviously the same as the SE Regionals and the Nationals, so we're talking about 20 minutes north of the M25, up the A1(M). Facilities at the Sports Hall are limited, but that is irrelevant because the pubs are well within staggering distance, and at least one of them is open all the time. We're still working on increasing our accommodation, so sp[ace is limited but not unavailable. Either way if you know of someone who you can crash with it would be helpful. Okay, how much? Well the tournament will cost GBP 65.00 (but if you are a school/junior team you can deduct GBP 8.00 from this. We have decided to only accept entries from twelve teams, and make the games longer, so the transition from outdoors to indoors shouldn't be too much of a shock. Just remember, you don't need squads of sixteen for this tourney so don't get carried away with numbers. However to get around this we are quite happy to accept entries from second teams. So how do you confirm your place? Simple, get a cheque to either myself, or Wayne (if you can find him), made payable to "Layout Dreams" and the first twelve secure entry. We need entries to be confirmed by a cheque by the beginning of November. So hurry up, you only have a couple of weeks. See you there, Chris. (cut off + return with cheque) _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ We wanna play inside - where it's warm and the wind don't blow!! Contact name: I enclose a cheque for Team Name: Tourney: 57.00 Team contact address: BUF Tax: 8.00 Phone number: Entry Bribe: ====== Total: payable to "Layout Dreams" send to: Chris Hughes, 126 Herschell Street, Anfield, Liverpool L5 1XE 0151-260-1840 (H) 0151-231-2474 (W) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Oct 22 05:37:29 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id FAA28752; Tue, 22 Oct 1996 05:37:12 +0100 (BST) Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id UAA16233; Mon, 21 Oct 1996 20:49:45 +0100 (BST) Received: from dns0.curved-logic.com by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id UAA16224; Mon, 21 Oct 1996 20:49:12 +0100 (BST) Received: from pc04.curved-logic.com by dns0.curved-logic.com id aa16412; 21 Oct 96 20:45 GMT Received: by dns0.curved-logic.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BBBF90.64ED74E0@dns0.curved-logic.com>; Mon, 21 Oct 1996 20:42:37 +-100 Message-ID: <01BBBF90.64ED74E0@dns0.curved-logic.com> From: Kevin Lowe To: "britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk" Subject: SW Regionals - Responding to Toby's criticisms Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 20:42:36 +-100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hi Everyone, Just returned from Exeter to find hundreds of emails to plough through. = I'll send a tournament report in a minute, but as scheduler for the = tournament, I'd like to address Toby's point. >On reflection, I'm not entirely happy about a tournament schedule where >one game is so terribly crucial for two teams and insufficient time is >allowed to play the game out. Our regional had no half-times (or >time-outs) which makes winning/losing the toss a bit vital. [Not that = I'm >making excuses, Monks played dreadfully and had plenty of opportunities >to win the game.] High standards must be set for games which are >self-evidently going to be important, even if they can't be applied to = all >games in a busy tournament. Monks did have a representative at the captain's meeting, and I believe = they raised the relevant point. All quarter final and semi final games = were an hour long, with a cap of 2 at time. We agreed not to have half = time, but as pointed out by one of the Monks, the two captains have the = right to agree a half time if they wish. Personally, I was in favour of = all games having half-time, even if it was only to turn around and = negate the flip of discs; but I was happy to leave that to the captains = to determine. I felt that an hour plus cap of two (with unlimited time to make those = two points) was sufficient for this very important game, given that all = 'non-important' games were 45 or 50 minutes. As it turned out, after an = hour's play, Tribal Desire had lost 10-2 to Druids, and Monks were = leading 3-2 against Headrush. I then had Patch run over to confirm = whether they should play the point, and then cap 2 above top score, or = cap immediately. I'd interpreted it as cap at time, and not cap after = the point had been scored. I would have been happy to accept whatever = the captain's agreed, or refer the matter to the TRG. As it was, I heard = no complaints. Commiserations to Monks for losing the semi-final, and thus being unable = to come higher than 5th next weekend. I'm sure they will do well, and = ironically, may well meet Headrush in the quarter final playoff to = determine which one makes the top eight. Revenge should be sweet. Kevin. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Oct 22 06:21:01 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id GAA01837; Tue, 22 Oct 1996 06:20:33 +0100 (BST) Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id VAA17973; Mon, 21 Oct 1996 21:20:53 +0100 (BST) Received: from dns0.curved-logic.com by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id VAA17947; Mon, 21 Oct 1996 21:20:02 +0100 (BST) Received: from pc04.curved-logic.com by dns0.curved-logic.com id aa16498; 21 Oct 96 21:20 GMT Received: by dns0.curved-logic.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BBBF95.5ABEB2E0@dns0.curved-logic.com>; Mon, 21 Oct 1996 21:18:07 +-100 Message-ID: <01BBBF95.5ABEB2E0@dns0.curved-logic.com> From: Kevin Lowe To: "britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk" Subject: SW Regionals - Proper report Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 21:18:06 +-100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO Here's a quick report of the tournament that took place in Exeter this = weekend. Saturday began with blue skies and sunshine, and then deteriorated = throughout the day. There were very few upsets in the pool matches. = Tribal Desire beat Sharks 12-5 (having been at 5-5) to take their 4th = seed, and Sharks II beat Mythago II to become 11th seeds. A large = majority of pool games were won (and lost) 13-0 or 13-1. All games went = according to seed in the knockout stage (5v12, 6v11, etc) Saturday evening saw the usual Double Locks events for those not in B&B. = Kabaddi was replaced with the much safer sport of Cower. Discult juniors = put up a good fight, but couldn't really match the skill of the Monks = (though, when Lee was 'cowering' by lying on his back, legs open, = pointing at the target, there were shouts from the crowd along the = lines of, "Hit the arrogant B******D, even if the target is a bit = small!" Best three pint challenge was from Jimmy of Picnic with Neil of = Cuisons, with 19.97. Women's division was won by Pip H. and Nikki from = Uriel with 36 seconds. Sunday morning, 8:30 start, and much worse weather (I wish I'd got a = photo of those people who were inside the kitchen tent when it blew = away). It was always going to be difficult imposing such an early start, = and Picnic I and Picnic II both paid the price for drinking too much the = night before. Neither team had showed up by 9:00, so Mythago II and = Funky Nuns both claimed automatic wins (First game ever won by the = Nuns?) 9:30 saw the quarter finals, with qualification for the finals at stake. = Top four all comfortably win, but Druids did concede 4 points to = Mythago. Tribal cruise past Cusions 12-1, with arguments between the = teams beginning even before the game (couldn't agree on disc colour, = with 3 colour-blind people playing for Tribal, and Cuisons not wanting = white since some of their own players were wearing white), and arguments = continuing way after the game (can you really call a rules violation = after you've been stalled out on the basis that your opponent didn't = start the stalling with the word "Stall" or "Stalling"?) Semi Finals, Druids zone in both directions to crush Tribal Desire 10-2, = and Monks and Headrush have the titanic struggle that was always = expected. Headrush had more subs, and finally won in over-time 5-4. In = the other qualifying games, Cuisons go out 7-4 to Skunks I, and Sharks I = lost 7-5 to Mythago I. Congratulations to both student teams for = qualifying.=20 The final was comfortably won by Druids. I don't know the score, and I = don't think they did either. Heard a rumour that Headush scored 3, but = I'm probably wrong. Monks decided not to risk any more injuries, and = conceded the final game to Tribal so they could head back early. I'm = sure they'll trounce us next week to make up for it. In the plate, Uriel I beat Sharks II in the plate final. Uriel II and = Picnic II battled it out for last place, but finished 4-4 to share 15th = spot. Spirit went to Uriel II, but it was very close with all lower 8 = team picking up spirit votes. Final positions (in case you missed Wayne's post) 1 Fluid Druids=09 2 HeadRush 3 Tribal Desire 4 Funky Monks 5 Skunks I 6 Mythago I 7 Cuisons 8 Sharks I 9 Uriel I PLATE Winners 10 Sharks II 11 Mythago II 12 Funky Nuns 13 Picnic I 14 Skunks II 15=3D Uriel II SPIRIT Winners 15=3D Picnic II Good luck to all the teams that qualified. Up the South West, and all = that. Thanks to everyone for turning up and playing. Sorry about the weather. Kevin. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Oct 22 10:06:57 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id JAA15907; Tue, 22 Oct 1996 09:56:30 +0100 (BST) Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id JAA20318; Tue, 22 Oct 1996 09:51:43 +0100 (BST) Received: from pillar.elsevier.co.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id JAA20284; Tue, 22 Oct 1996 09:51:13 +0100 (BST) Received: from snowdon.elsevier.co.uk (snowdon.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.197.164]) by pillar.elsevier.co.uk (8.8.0/8.8.0) with ESMTP id JAA04780 for ; Tue, 22 Oct 1996 09:48:11 +0100 (BST) Received: from elsevier.co.uk (actually host ukgwmime01.elsevier.co.uk) by snowdon.elsevier.co.uk with SMTP (PP); Tue, 22 Oct 1996 09:50:48 +0100 Received: from ES#u#OXF-Message_Server by elsevier.co.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 22 Oct 1996 09:50:21 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 09:43:29 +0100 From: Toby Green To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk, kevinl@curved-logic.com Subject: SW Regionals - Responding to Toby's criticisms -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO Thanks to Kevin for his reply. I do hope my criticisms were read as a criticism of his organisation - they were not meant to be so. He ran the tournament well. Nor was I seeking to complain as an excuse for our losing to Headrush. We lost because we didn't play better than Headrush. My point is rather more fundamental. I think that the BUF should lay down minimum standards for all matches in Nationals, starting from pitch size, availablility of water etc, through to game length, time-outs, half-times etc. A properly thought-through set of arrangements would then help TD's run the tournament more evenly across the country. Something as fundamental as half-time to negate the toss should not be a matter of debate in one part of the tournament - it should be a standard. Something for the Exec to chew on! see you all next weekend Toby (ps - if you got something similar to the above a little earlier, forgive me. I think something went horribly wrong with my first draft, and I think it got deleted. But then again, maybe it didn't!) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Oct 22 16:46:54 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id PAA03724; Tue, 22 Oct 1996 15:46:34 +0100 (BST) Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id PAA12934; Tue, 22 Oct 1996 15:38:57 +0100 (BST) Received: from violet.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id PAA12874; Tue, 22 Oct 1996 15:37:34 +0100 (BST) Received: from hplb.hpl.hp.com by violet.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id PAA17553; Tue, 22 Oct 1996 15:36:38 +0100 (BST) Received: from hpqm0500.sqf.hp.com by hplb.hpl.hp.com; Tue, 22 Oct 1996 15:26:21 +0100 Received: by hpqm0500.sqf.hp.com (1.37.109.18/15.5+ECS 3.4 ) id AA150634380; Tue, 22 Oct 1996 15:26:20 +0100 From: Chris Burden Message-Id: <199610221426.AA150634380@hpqm0500.sqf.hp.com> Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 15:26:20 +0100 (BST) To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Cc: cburden%sqf.hp.com@hplb.hpl.hp.com Subject: North Results ? X-Mailer: Ishmail 1.2.2-960610-hp Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO Has anyone posted all the final placings for the Northern Qualifiers ? ....even the teams that have not qualified for the finals. If it has been posted, could someone please forward a copy to me ? Thanks in advance... ________________ ~ -- __ ~ /) ((__(___|____)__)) (\ - --- _~~ / ) ( \ ~~ ___ _( (_ _ _ _) )_ .. . . (((\ \> /_> <_\ To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Nationals: Breakfast X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Lines: 15 Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO TO: Teams that Qualified for Nationals, Breakfast is available on Sunday morning (and possibly Saturday) at an additional cost of GBP 10.00 per team per morning. To book, please phone Chris Hughes on 0151-260-1840. This is mentioned in the invitations, but most teams paid BEFORE reading the invite! B+B lists are also available from Chris - 'cos he forgot to include them! _____________________________________________________________________________ Chris Hughes layoutDREAMS Wayne Retter +44/0-151-260-1840 LayoutDreams@phidelta.demon.co.uk +44/0-1737-242109 From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Oct 22 19:50:48 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id TAA18157; Tue, 22 Oct 1996 19:26:44 +0100 (BST) Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id TAA26249; Tue, 22 Oct 1996 19:21:49 +0100 (BST) Received: from taurus.cus.cam.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id TAA26238; Tue, 22 Oct 1996 19:21:31 +0100 (BST) Received: from dak12 by taurus.cus.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 0.563 #1) id ; Tue, 22 Oct 1996 19:21:26 +0100 Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 19:21:26 +0100 (BST) From: "D.A. Kemp" To: Britdisc Subject: Re: The need to qualify ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO Dale Taylor wrote: > Surely the sport would be all the better for NOT expecting the likes of > Gun, Druids, UTI & others to go along and participate in two days of utter > humiliation for lower ranking teams, many relatively new to Ultimate. I take it this is a bit of a piss-take but I'll say my piece anyway. I have been playing for a year only and quite frankly I love playing against Shotgun. Getting the better of a good team boosts the ego. Strange Blue this weekend scored 5 points against Shotgun being up 1-0 then 2-1. It is such a great feeling even if you know the other side can't possibly be trying their utmost. Bring on the big guns is what I say :) Dora Strange Blue Whatever does good should be held in honour, and the only shame is in doing harm From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Oct 22 20:48:39 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id UAA24712; Tue, 22 Oct 1996 20:33:41 +0100 (BST) Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id UAA29920; Tue, 22 Oct 1996 20:27:05 +0100 (BST) Received: from relay-1.mail.demon.net by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id UAA29898; Tue, 22 Oct 1996 20:26:19 +0100 (BST) Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([(null)]) by relay-1.mail.demon.net id ac05538; 22 Oct 96 20:09 BST Received: from chevronaf.demon.co.uk ([194.222.81.132]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id aa02695; 22 Oct 96 20:08 BST Message-ID: Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 19:28:19 +0100 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: Rich Parkes Subject: North/Midlands Report and placings MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (evaluation) Version 3.01 Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hello All Sorry for the delay but I was too shattered to do anything yesterday. First the placings, I guess: 1. Stan 2. Catch-22 3. Chevron Action Flash ---------------------------- 4. Red 5. Blue Arse Flies ============================ 6. Sneeeky's 7. Superfly 8. Mud Culture 9. Jedi II (Plate) 10. Phat 'Eds I 11. Flying Sorcerers 12. Twin Peaks 13. Bears 14. Purple Haze (Spirit) 15. Nads 16. Jedi I 17. Jesters (Spoon) 18. Fingers Six 19. Sneeeky's II 20. Disciples 21. Sneeeky's III 22. Phat 'Eds As you've no doubt already heard, the weather was not the best (force 8 gale Saturday, drizzle and heavier rain Sunday), but I don't think that prevented decent games taking place: indeed one beginner came over enthusing about how much his sidearm had improved on Saturday! Most of the pool games went with seedings, although Mud Culture and Nads both beat Jesters to make the top 16 and Sneeeky's I got a fright off Phat Eds (7-5 final score). Once the knock out stage was reached things got much more interesting. Mud Culture eased out Purple Haze to make the top 8, while third seeds Chevron struggled to beat plucky young Nads (including at last 2 people under the age of 13!). The rest of the top 8 seeds cruised through. Quarter finals saw Red go through against Sneeeky's to confirm their top 4 seeding while Chevvy got their act together against Superfly before they and Red crashed to Catch and Stan respectively in the semis (both results to 3). Inevitably the lower seedings were more hotly contested. Blue Arse Flies recovered from a shutout hammering from Catch to beat Superfly and retain interest in qualifying: indeed they did qualify, winning a titanic battle 12-8 against Sneeeky's I. Jedi II and Phat 'Eds contested the plate with Jedi II prevailing, while Jesters deservedly took the Spoon despite Rob's insistence on tossy passes (you're not indoors yet!). The final I didn't see, but I heard it was quite tightly fought with Catch easing to 11-9 before Stan recovered and cap was taken at 11-11, Stan's experience allowing them to keep the disc where others might not have and take the trophy 13-11. Thanks to Simon for finding such a good venue, and I'm sure everyone appreciated Fi's incessant efforts to keep everyone in toasties and tea. I was especially pleased to see so many new teams out this year - we had 4 mote than last year and given space could have probably got another two. Keep it together indoors and see you in more rain in April. Congratulations and good luck for the weekend to those who qualified, especially so the Blue Arse Flies, and well done to Nads who played impressively in all games. Watch them in 18 months. That's it, I'mn off to catch up on all the work I haven't done over the past 3 weeks....... Rich ========================================================================= Rich Parkes | rich@chevronaf.demon.co.uk | ------------------------------------------------------------------------- I suppose I'm meant to put something witty here................. ========================================================================= Turnpike evaluation. For information, see http://www.turnpike.com/ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Oct 22 20:48:57 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id UAA25002; Tue, 22 Oct 1996 20:35:37 +0100 (BST) Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id UAA29939; Tue, 22 Oct 1996 20:27:16 +0100 (BST) Received: from vulcan by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id UAA29924; Tue, 22 Oct 1996 20:26:40 +0100 (BST) Received: from rose.le.ac.uk by vulcan with SMTP (PP); Tue, 22 Oct 1996 20:25:12 +0100 Received: from ROSE/SpoolDir by rose.le.ac.uk (Mercury 1.21); 22 Oct 96 20:25:14 +0100 (BST) Received: from SpoolDir by ROSE (Mercury 1.30); 22 Oct 96 20:25:09 +0100 (BST) From: "R.A. Kingsley" To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 20:25:00 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: the need to qualify? Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.40) Message-ID: <2B0DA5F5992@rose.le.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO Dear BDers, Just thought i'd add my two penneth worth! Quick get that TOURNEY_GUIDELINES on line or there'll be trouble! This is a personal view point but I'm sure I won't be alone. Dora Kemp has already indicated that she (and her team) enjoy playing against Shitgun and this is a view point I wish to echo (although it would be nice if they smiled once or twice while they give other teams a sound thrashing). The only way that 'lesser' teams will improve is by playing against and watching other more experienced teams. In the NM regional Jesters (with many entirely new to the game) played Catch 22 (who presumably are one of these elite teams which should not have to qualify) and scored 2 points aginst them. Two points which brought huge amounts of satisfaction to the whole team. Such games give players a chance to learn more about good O and D. I think it was the first time most of my team mates had seen a zone D. They learnt from it and when the next team tried it on them they broke easily! My last point is that if we go down this road of elitism, especially this early in the evolution of the game in this country, we have to decide where to draw the line between qualification or not. As far as I can see this is not poossible until a league type arrangement is introduced, something which i think has no place in Ultimate at this stage. No actually I've got another point! Maybe experienced teams should use the qualification constructively by 1. encouraging new players on the opposition (something which you should be able to do seeing as there is no question of the outcome of the game - smile at them!) or 2. if you really do want to be self centred try some of you nifty moves out on them and dazzle them with your brilliance! None of what I have said is directed at anyone/team in particular, I just think that the needs and preferences of all teams should be considered rather than just the elite top X teams. In case you had'nt guessed I think the introduction of the qualifiers is the best thing since sliced bread and should continue untill the whole ethos and structure of Ultimate in britain has evolved a bit further. If you have bothered to read this far.......thanks! Rob Kingsley (Jesters) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Oct 22 22:42:56 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id SAA14621; Tue, 22 Oct 1996 18:48:23 +0100 (BST) Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id SAA23881; Tue, 22 Oct 1996 18:39:13 +0100 (BST) Received: from felix.dircon.co.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id SAA23858; Tue, 22 Oct 1996 18:38:50 +0100 (BST) Received: by felix.dircon.co.uk id AA29539 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 22 Oct 1996 18:29:37 +0100 Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 18:29:37 +0100 Received: from gw2-194.pool.dircon.co.uk(194.112.35.194) by amnesiac via smap (V1.3) id sma029527; Tue Oct 22 18:29:26 1996 X-Sender: daltay@popmail.dircon.co.uk Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: daltay@dircon.co.uk (Dale Taylor) Subject: The need to qualify ? Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hello BDers. Well folks, in addition to all these ramblings about seedings etc. one has to question the wisdom of requiring the top teams to take part in qualifiers. Surely the sport would be all the better for NOT expecting the likes of Gun, Druids, UTI & others to go along and participate in two days of utter humiliation for lower ranking teams, many relatively new to Ultimate. I doubt that losing to between zero and 3 encourages these teams much. I think 3 was the most scored against us this weekend and some of those points were only as a result of some on-field coaching of the opposition (aren't we lovely popgunners!). I would suggest a re-examination of this system to allow weaker teams the dignity of playing against their peers. How often do you hear of Man Utd playing against Fred Smiths Toffee factory 11, Erny Els v my dad or LA 49ers v Brighton B52s? The bottom line is: If you want to see the better teams beaten (and who other than Shotgunners themselves would deny that they'd love to see Gun lose?), then encouragement of new and younger players is probably the best route. Failing that, your only hope is bribery and corruption (What are we bid?). See y'all at Nationals Nolan BOOM BOOM... OUT GO THE LIGHTS! From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Oct 22 22:49:14 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id TAA17622; Tue, 22 Oct 1996 19:23:46 +0100 (BST) Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id TAA26083; Tue, 22 Oct 1996 19:19:57 +0100 (BST) Received: from amsta.leeds.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id TAA26070; Tue, 22 Oct 1996 19:19:40 +0100 (BST) Received: from statlog.amsta.leeds.ac.uk (statlog.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.11]) by amsta.leeds.ac.uk (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA23216 for ; Tue, 22 Oct 1996 19:21:08 +0100 Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 19:21:08 +0100 From: S J Hill Message-Id: <199610221821.TAA23216@amsta.leeds.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: The need to qualify ? Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hi Speaking for Catch 22 (rather than as Director of Competitions - who surely should not be seen to say the following....) > Well folks, in addition to all these ramblings about seedings etc. one has > to question the wisdom of requiring the top teams to take part in > qualifiers. We would surely agree with this. Not least because we lost a player this w/e to a stupid ankle injury whilst playing a team (no dis-respect meant) who could not hope to challenge us. This guy has been working hard for ages to be ready for Nationals and now finds himself sidelined. I don't know if this is relevant or not - but it is to us. Regionals was set up a couple of years ago to respond (at last minute) to an increase in teams. I don't think the people "responsible" for the idea would cling to it... With the amount of interest generated this w/e we can surely work out a solution that will be best for most people - at least for another few years... So email me with TOURNEY_GUIDELINES in the subject heading so that we can have the debate without grinding BritDisc to a halt... Si ps - We did at least have an exciting final - a luxury that neither of the other regions were able to achieve! pps - Don't get me wrong - I had a good time this w/e - but I (we) question the wisdom! From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Oct 22 22:52:43 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id RAA07922; Tue, 22 Oct 1996 17:19:43 +0100 (BST) Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id RAA18324; Tue, 22 Oct 1996 17:06:19 +0100 (BST) Received: from violet.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id QAA17250; Tue, 22 Oct 1996 16:48:07 +0100 (BST) Received: from amsta.leeds.ac.uk by violet.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id QAA20209; Tue, 22 Oct 1996 16:24:53 +0100 (BST) Received: from markof.amsta.leeds.ac.uk (markof.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.34]) by amsta.leeds.ac.uk (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA18793 for ; Tue, 22 Oct 1996 16:25:30 +0100 Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 16:25:30 +0100 From: S J Hill Message-Id: <199610221525.QAA18793@amsta.leeds.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: uh-oh Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO hi Kev is right: > Uh Oh. Following Steve's comments, I can feel the floodgates opening. > > Simon will be suggesting we have the regionals a couple of months before the > finals. Patch doesn't see why we should be so centered around University > teams, Toby and Bud don't have a problem with November, Kevin wants the > school teams considered, etc etc etc. > > Please, if you are interested in these discussions, come and join the > formatting and guidelines group (See Scott's email). It may be fascinating > to us, but I'm sure most of Britdisc don't want to return from a couple of > days away from their computer to find hundreds of messages. Thank God this > isn't taking place on Eurodisc, otherwise we'd have been flamed to hell by now. I have a "britdisc"-type address that we can use for this if there are more people interested. (I set it up for students last year - but with BritDisc there is no longer any need.) If you would like to see/join the discussion that Kev expects to errupt from the above then send me a mail... with TOURNEY_GUIDELINES in the subject and the body - you know - so its clear! Then I will (manually) add you to list and it will all be much easier for all concerned. It won't be switched on for a day or so - so go on - flood my spool with requests to join.... If you have already mailed Scott - don't bother - he can fwd your address to me... (Scott?) -------------- In response to Laurence's report: > As nobody else seems to be bothered ... Rich will (I'm sure) be doing this soon - he is a busy chap. Chris (Burden): that will also cover the full results - sorry about the delay. > On Sunday we had much more fun. The rain came down but at least the > wind abated. We had 3 awesome, close games- firstly against Phat'Eds > 2 who came back from a 7-1 deficit at 1/2 time to just miss out and > lose 9-7, then against Disciples which was standing at 11-11 with cap > at 12, when we won the final desparate point, to set up a spoon final > against Jesters in which we were 7-1 down at half time but gave them > a better game in the 2nd half but still lost 9-6. Did you have more fun because more games were against teams against which you were more closely matched? Or was it *only* the weather? > One point raised during play on Sunday- how's about a Finals > tournament for those teams who didn't qualify for the Hitchin final. If anyone would like to do this please do! Seriously though - it has been thought of, and if possible there may come a time when a non-finals tourney can go ahead at same venue as finals so as to increase spectators for finals AND give all those other teams another tourney. > It's getting to the stage where we're playing the same old teams all > the time and never getting to meet any of the southern teams, in fact > I don't think I've ever played against half the teams from the SE- > and withthe student make-up of our team meaning we're generally weak > over summer and autumn, I don't think we ever will. This however, I do not accept. F6 rarely practice outside ; and didn't enter many (any?) of this year's outdoor tourneys... its not easy to get student teams together - but its not impossible. Many teams have done it! If you don't go to the tourneys - how do expect to meet these teams? (I'll probably get horribly flamed for saying this - but I don't give a shit cos its true.) > On a similar divisive theme I, overheard at the w/e a mention of a > summer league next year featuring an elite top 8 teams. Can anyone > fill me in on this because it seems to have been kept strangely > silent to the so-called lesser teams who won't be involved- and I > personally might have something to say on the subject. This is about the Ranking Tour that I alluded to in that email to Dave. It is NOT a league for elite top 8 teams. The reason it has been kept "strangely silent" is so that the idea gets an opportunity to be described in full without alarming (and inaccurate) rumours like this frightening people!!! Anyway, a better explanation will be in the next ultimatum. I imagine that you (Laurence) will be emailing me to get involved in the discussion about tourney guideline so that you can have your say... I refer you back to the comment above about your team's enjoyment of Sunday's play compared to Saturday... cheers Si From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Oct 23 20:52:51 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id UAA17255; Wed, 23 Oct 1996 20:52:29 +0100 (BST) Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id UAA02245; Wed, 23 Oct 1996 20:47:28 +0100 (BST) From: laurab@ehs.co.uk Received: from newsgate.dircon.co.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id UAA02224; Wed, 23 Oct 1996 20:46:49 +0100 (BST) Received: from ehs.co.uk (ehs@localhost) by newsgate.dircon.co.uk (8.6.12/8.6.9) with UUCP id IAA01979; Wed, 23 Oct 1996 08:47:17 +0100 Message-Id: <199610230747.IAA01979@newsgate.dircon.co.uk> Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 8:51:01 +0100 To: Britdisc , dak12@cus.cam.ac.uk Subject: Re: The need to qualify ? MIME-version: 1.0 (Created by TFS) Content-Type: text/plain ; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: TFS Gateway V210U0822M Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO Oh dear! Hurry up with the TOURNEY_ GUIDELINES site! I would like to say that although I understand why the top teams might feel= =20 like they don't need to qualify, and might feel that they are drubbin' the=20 lower ranked opposition, I (for one) enjoy havin' a go! Last weekend was=20 the first time for ages that I'd had the opportunity to play Shotgun. I speak for my team that weekend - Hurricane - when I say we thoroughly=20 enjoyed the game. Hurricane are a school team, and it was good for them to= =20 experience playing a top level team. My thanks again to 'Gun for the coaching they gave during the game. I thin= k=20 we got 2 points, but seeing the faces of the guys and girls when they score= d=20 those points, showed how much they enjoyed it. They won't forget those=20 points in a hurry, and it will encourage them all to go on playing and=20 improving. Considering that most of Hurricane are between 14 and 17, a new generation=20 of players is being nurtured, and I expect to see these guys and girls in=20 top flight teams within a couple of years, which can only be good for=20 British Ultimate See y'all at the Nationals! Laura waxing lyrical or should that be spouting crap! ___________________________________________________ Dale Taylor wrote: > Surely the sport would be all the better for NOT expecting the likes of > Gun, Druids, UTI & others to go along and participate in two days of utte= r > humiliation for lower ranking teams, many relatively new to Ultimate. ____________________________________________________ Dora Kemp wrote: I take it this is a bit of a piss-take but I'll say my piece anyway. I have been playing for a year only and quite frankly I love playing against Shotgun. Getting the better of a good team boosts the ego. Strange Blue this weekend scored 5 points against Shotgun being up 1-0 then 2-1. It is such a great feeling even if you know the other side can't possibly be trying their utmost. Bring on the big guns is what I say :) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Oct 24 08:10:28 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id IAA17431; Thu, 24 Oct 1996 08:09:49 +0100 (BST) Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id IAA24816; Thu, 24 Oct 1996 08:06:53 +0100 (BST) Received: from newsgate.dircon.co.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id IAA24806; Thu, 24 Oct 1996 08:06:31 +0100 (BST) Received: from dmotive.UUCP (dmotive@localhost) by newsgate.dircon.co.uk (8.6.12/8.6.9) with UUCP id IAA25203 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Thu, 24 Oct 1996 08:05:59 +0100 Date: 23 Oct 96 19:40:46 +0000 From: Oz Freire Subject: Qualifying or not? To: Britdisc Message-ID: <961023.194046@designmotive.co.uk> X-Mailer: InterCall 1.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO Qualifying or not? 23/10/= 96 Dear All, How about The top 3 finalists in this year's nationals will automatically qualify for next year's finals, thus giving the=20 3rd and 4th play off teams something to play for. Just a thought=20 looking forward to the weekened Oz ShotGun From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Oct 24 16:37:25 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id QAA05847; Thu, 24 Oct 1996 16:27:22 +0100 (BST) Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id QAA13587; Thu, 24 Oct 1996 16:16:15 +0100 (BST) Received: from newsgate.dircon.co.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id QAA13476; Thu, 24 Oct 1996 16:13:44 +0100 (BST) Received: from dmotive.UUCP (dmotive@localhost) by newsgate.dircon.co.uk (8.6.12/8.6.9) with UUCP id QAA00329 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Thu, 24 Oct 1996 16:09:52 +0100 Date: 24 Oct 96 16:03:16 +0000 From: Jonathan Schofield Subject: Oh dear... To: BritDisc Message-ID: <961024.160316@designmotive.co.uk> X-Mailer: InterCall 1.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO Rob Cole wrote: "[...] the South East situation, with Strange Touch (I think that was the= ir=20 name) coming much higher than their seeding shows why the qualifiers=20 should stay the way they are." Huh? The top three teams at South East regionals to qualify were Shotgun,=20 UTI, and Violently Happy. There was never any doubt in my mind that=20 UTI and VH would qualify and indeed they did. How does the placing of=20 a team that came lower than them affect their right to qualify=20 automatically. Don't see your logic! OK, they defied their seeding to such an extent that they could have=20 affected the third place (although they didn't). Surely the finalists=20 from last year could be exempt from qualifiers, and if you still=20 won't accept that, surely the national champions can be exempt.=20 Especially when they beat their probable opponents for this year's=20 final by 15 points to 3! Jonathan=20 Shotgun From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Oct 25 09:40:56 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id JAA29100; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 09:39:59 +0100 (BST) Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id JAA15389; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 09:32:46 +0100 (BST) From: lrsussex@pavilion.co.uk Received: from deputy.pavilion.co.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id JAA15382; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 09:32:27 +0100 (BST) Received: from dialup2-20.pavilion.co.uk (dialup2-20.pavilion.co.uk [194.242.131.148]) by deputy.pavilion.co.uk (8.7/8.7) with SMTP id JAA17685 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 09:31:45 +0100 (BST) Date: Fri, 25 Oct 1996 09:31:45 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199610250831.JAA17685@deputy.pavilion.co.uk> X-Sender: lrsussex@mailhost.pavilion.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: "top teams" v "weaker teams" X-Mailer: Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hi all Re the need of the certain teams to qualify - I actually don't agree with=20 most of my team mates. I personally enjoy meeting new teams and people and playing against as many= =20 different players as possible. So I'm all for playing at qualifiers even=20 though it was a bloody long drive back to Brighton in the rain on Sunday= night! However I would like to raise another issue that I am sure will start some= =20 conversation. When I started playing Ultimate and travelled to tournaments= =20 with Sneekies I always looked forward to playing against the Hombres and=20 other top teams even though we were well beaten. Scoring 1 or 2 points=20 against these teams was as rewarding as winning games against other teams. But, at the time I appreciated that even though the top teams knew that they= =20 were a lot better than us, they still took the game relatively seriously and= =20 didn't give too much away. I certainly didn't want the top teams to fool=20 around and start throwing silly stuff just for their amusement. I do know, however, that there are some people that would like the top teams= =20 to take it a little easier so that the weaker teams at least get the=20 opportunity to put together some passes, get the flow going and have a=20 chance to score. What are people's views on this? When I have played for Shotgun against a "weaker" team and played the game= =20 as we would any other (thus giving the team the respect they should have), I= =20 have received complaints that we didn't give the other team a chance and we= =20 should have let them make more passes and maybe score a few more points. =20 But when we have taken it easy against a team I have received complaints=20 that we were being patronising and only fooling around. I think we are=20 beginning to get a balance between the two - playing hard but not with total= =20 intensity.=20 Any views? PS - Maybe it is time to start screening members of Britdisc to keep out=20 complete wan*ers like R Kingsley? - what do you think Si - I know a few=20 others will agree with me. Se=E1n (currently smiling) Sh(o)tgun --------------------------------------------- L&R Consulting lrsussex@pavilion.co.uk Tel: 01444 459449 Fax: 01444 458911 --------------------------------------------- From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Oct 25 10:45:54 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id KAA03045; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 10:43:06 +0100 (BST) Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id KAA18374; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 10:32:39 +0100 (BST) Received: from violet.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id KAA18351; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 10:31:46 +0100 (BST) Received: from taurus.cus.cam.ac.uk by violet.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id KAA13440; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 10:31:26 +0100 (BST) Received: from dak12 by taurus.cus.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 0.563 #1) id ; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 10:31:20 +0100 Date: Fri, 25 Oct 1996 10:31:20 +0100 (BST) From: "D.A. Kemp" To: lrsussex@pavilion.co.uk cc: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Re: "top teams" v "weaker teams" In-Reply-To: <199610250831.JAA17685@deputy.pavilion.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO lrsussex@pavilion.co.uk writes: > When I have played for Shotgun against a "weaker" team and played the game > as we would any other (thus giving the team the respect they should have), I > have received complaints that we didn't give the other team a chance and we > should have let them make more passes and maybe score a few more points. > But when we have taken it easy against a team I have received complaints > that we were being patronising and only fooling around. I think we are > beginning to get a balance between the two - playing hard but not with total > intensity. Personally I think it is insulting and deflating if the stronger team just takes is easy and obviously is just fooling around. Any point scored or good D makes you think "oh yeah well they weren't really trying anyway". I agree that you have achieved an appropriate balance at least from my experience playing against Shotgun. The occasional coaching on the pitch is appreciated but letting us score etc. does not give us a sense of achievement or a chance to improve our game. Dora Kemp Strange Blue Disclaimer: These are my personal views and not the views of my team. :) Whatever does good should be held in honour, and the only shame is in doing harm From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Oct 25 16:41:33 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id QAA14159; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 16:36:39 +0100 (BST) Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id QAA29053; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 16:21:19 +0100 (BST) Received: from violet.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id QAA29033; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 16:20:12 +0100 (BST) Received: from gateway.merchants.co.uk by violet.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id NAA25502; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 13:49:45 +0100 (BST) Received: (from Mail-Gateway@localhost) by gateway.merchants.co.uk (8.7.6/8.7.1) id NAA17120 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 13:48:42 +0100 Received: from maillinkserver.merchants.co.uk(201.1.3.190) by gateway.merchants.co.uk via smap (V1.3) id sma017117; Fri Oct 25 13:48:14 1996 Date: 25 Oct 96 13:46:19 +0100 From: Patrick Winser Subject: Something (else) to stoke the fire To: Britdisc Message-ID: <961025.134619@merchants.co.uk> X-Mailer: QM-Internet Gateway 1.0 X-Priority: 4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO Something (else) to stoke the = fire 25/10/96 13:30 As a player who plays on a team that is scattered all the over the SW/SE = regions I am forced to agree with Aram. The lack of continuous practice is a factor whu teams like UTI, Stan, and = the Druids have trouble beating Shotgunn, one loss in two years by my = reckoning. As I am on one of the teams that is spread out around the country I am not = in favour of splitting this team up but I would like to see the new = players staying with or forming new teams that could practice together. If the BUF did decide to enforce something like Aram susggests I would have= to say that it would have to be by a region smaller than the SW because = we, the Druids do happen to have a fairly strong group in the SW. I would = prefer it to be almost by city such as Southampton area, Bristol, Oxford = etc.. London obviously could have room for more than one team. This would have to be put to some kind vote to see if the majority of = people would be in favour of it. At this time I would not be in favour = because I do not wish to play with the Mad Cows since I know none of them = and have been told that i am a bit too competitive for their style of = Ultimate. Fair enough realy. Thx Aram for opening up a whole new can of worms. Patch Special Announcement From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Oct 25 20:05:31 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id UAA25027; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 20:03:24 +0100 (BST) Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id TAA04954; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 19:52:02 +0100 (BST) Received: from violet.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id TAA04946; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 19:50:59 +0100 (BST) Received: from arl-img-5.compuserve.com by violet.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id SAA11110; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 18:03:06 +0100 (BST) Received: by arl-img-5.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id NAA04977; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 13:02:33 -0400 Date: 25 Oct 96 12:57:15 EDT From: Stuart Clark <101336.3664@compuserve.com> To: Britdisc Subject: More thoughts.... Message-ID: <961025165715_101336.3664_GHW90-1@CompuServe.COM> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO Folks, I really quite like Oz's idea of top three at Nationals not having to qualify for the following year. I think it has a number of benefits Firstly, as he says it would make the third/fourth playoff game much more exciting - there'd be everything to play for. Secondly, the "top 3" teams from one year would not have to spend three quarters of the next years regional qualifying tournament crapping on everyone BUT, the regional qualifier would not be deprived of all the high quality teams from that region so "weaker teams" would still get the chance to face at least some of the top teams. Thirdly, don't the National Champs have a God-given right to defend their title at National finals? (I dunno - do they? Whaddya think?). I also think anything more than top 3 would be excessive and that would really start treading on people's toes. OK, before I go further, let me just say that this is all based on the premise that teams will be fielding their strongest squads for Nationals. Right, where this possibly backfires is that the "victims" of such a system might feel that their region has been denied one qualifying place at regionals, these would be the teams competing for that last qualifying place - but assuming that the top team from the region (one of the pre-qualifiers - top 3) is fielding their strongest squad would a team battling it out for fifth place (should everyone need to qualify) find their objective that much different if they still had to fight for fourth place and the top team pre-qualified. No, I don't think so. Derek, I can't remember what your argument was exactly but it echoed one of my concerns - that squads change from year to year. In hindsight, I think that should the top three automatically qualify one year, then if they field a weak team the following year well then they're being downright foolhardy. Personally, I don't think this would happen, the teams that are competing at that kind of level would all (I would hope) feel that they have a chance at the title and would field their best team. BUT, just supposing they don't, well then they're going to get their ass kicked and they'll have to qualify again the following year. At worst, they'll have got a free ticket to National finals based on last years performance. This is where the crux of the argument is I think - people are probably already reaching for keyboards to shoot me down in flames and say "Ah yeah Stu, but that's not right - why should they get a free ticket." OK people, lets put aside all our illusions of grandeur here - as I said before, the teams that will have the biggest gripe will be those fighting it out for the last qualifying positions and, let's be honest will those teams be able to beat even weakened top squads (Is there such a thing as a weak Shotgun team?) Even if the top 3 from a previous year are weak, it's my reckoning they'd still finish in the top 8......easy. They'd just have to re-qualify next year.....and that's incentive enough for them to field a strong team if they don't want to have to qualify. Andy Cotgreave wrote: >By keeping regionals and non-peer pool tournaments we grow in terms of >numbers, but until the top teams can compete exclusively with each other, >the highest level of competitive British ultimate will not improve. We are >at the situation where there are plenty of teams for concurrent >tournaments. If there were tournaments for top teams, and lesser teams, >then the top tournaments would be more competitive, and improve the higher >level. Other tournaments would be *equally* competitive, because the level >of play would be more equal on both days, and there would be new teams >emerging as winners. This would serve to improve the game at both levels, >and teams would be able to choose which level they want to play at. I totally agree, but again it comes back to that horrible A-word. Apathy. Basically we've got to find potential hosts for those "lesser teams". This is a discussion I had with Si Hill earlier in the week - the evolution of a second "clique" of teams where there'd be some crossover. I think the main problem here is that there is horribly stagnant mind-set, that the tournament calendar that's grown over the last few years is THE calendar. That the big tournaments that happen every year (Southampton, Ross, Lurkers, Warwick Indoors) are THE tournaments to be seen at. Everybody wants to go to the Southampton Outdoors, loads try, 16/20 get in, everybody then waits for the next milestone on the Ultimate Calendar - Croydon, then the same scenario unfolds. What needs to happen is that the next generation of tournament hosts needs to be identified so we can add to that calendar and even have concurrent tournaments so that the 16 or so teams that feature regularly now can still have their own friendly tournaments pretty much as they always have and 16 of the newer teams begin to form their own circuit with a similar vibe - Almost like the natural evolution of a second "league" (Yeuch! Horrible word). It is happening slowly, it just needs to happen a lot faster. Please don't think I'm suggesting an us-them kind of arrangement....I'm not (well maybe I am INITIALLY), there needs to be cross over between the systems, maybe when the minnows think they can take on some of the more established teams or when some of the bigger teams see the raw talent in the younger teams and invite them to come and play. This will ultimately bring more teams into contact with each other and bring the newer teams up to a better standard in a much shorter period of time. It wouldn't hurt for some of the bigger teams to go to the "younger tournaments" anyway - in fact I'm sure many of them would love to. But we gotta find hosts first. I'll point the finger at myself first - as an RC (that's RC not arsey!!) that's partly my job, and I'm trying, believe me. At the moment we have potentially 3 teams (mine included) who are thinking of playing hosts for the first time next year in the SE, but whilst the BUF can assist and encourage, we can't put a gun to people's heads and tell them to put on a tournament. Sean, (I think it was Sean, sorry, I had lots of =, E1 and 20's in your message) >When I have played for Shotgun against a "weaker" team and played the game >as we would any other (thus giving the team the respect they should have), I >have received complaints that we didn't give the other team a chance and we >should have let them make more passes and maybe score a few more points. >But when we have taken it easy against a team I have received complaints >that we were being patronising and only fooling around. I think we are >beginning to get a balance between the two - playing hard but not with total >intensity. Seeing as no-one else commented despite your invitation to, I'll say this, I think Shotgun are getting a nice balance, I watched them playing Hurricane at the Qualifiers and you could see the Hurricane players really getting into it because they were completing passes and getting opportunities to get free and possibly score, I think the complaints start to come when teams aren't even getting an opportunity to get a first pass away, heads go down and nobody enjoys it - winners or losers (then you get the situation where 7 players all walk over the disc 'cos no-one wants to pick it up). On the question of being patronising and fooling around, there's a difference here between clearly "enjoying" your ultimate even if it is an easy game i.e. having a bit of a laugh while you're cruising to a win, and being patronising. Patronising I'd class as throwing forty yard scoring scuba's or hook-thumbers from the half way line just because you can. Dunno if that makes it any clearer for you????? I'll respond to Aram's proposition some other time otherwise I'll be here all day. Feel free to shoot me down in flames. Stu. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Oct 25 20:13:56 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id UAA25633; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 20:12:47 +0100 (BST) Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id UAA05316; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 20:03:37 +0100 (BST) Received: from violet.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id UAA05278; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 20:02:05 +0100 (BST) Received: from vulcan by violet.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id RAA08423; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 17:10:31 +0100 (BST) Received: from rose.le.ac.uk by vulcan with SMTP (PP); Fri, 25 Oct 1996 16:27:24 +0100 Received: from ROSE/SpoolDir by rose.le.ac.uk (Mercury 1.21); 25 Oct 96 16:27:26 +0100 (BST) Received: from SpoolDir by ROSE (Mercury 1.30); 25 Oct 96 16:27:09 +0100 (BST) From: "R.A. Kingsley" To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Fri, 25 Oct 1996 16:26:59 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: Into the fray... Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.40) Message-ID: <2F4E8452A07@rose.le.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO David Silbey wrote; > My suggestion (there had to be one, didn't there?) is a mix of high-level > and open tourneys: some tourneys at which top teams play each other only, > and some tourneys where the format is as now, with everybody playing > everybody. To prevent top teams from skipping the opens, have a certain > minimum number of tournaments required to be eligible for Nationals. I think this is a good idea. As far as I know there is no stipulation that all tournaments have to be open to all teams. Surely if certain teams feel they want this type of elite teams tournament then they are free to organise an invitational tourny just as begginners only tournaments are organised. Rob Kingsley. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Oct 25 21:44:24 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id VAA01724; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 21:43:53 +0100 (BST) Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id VAA07949; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 21:36:52 +0100 (BST) Received: from violet.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id VAA07932; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 21:35:48 +0100 (BST) Received: from haymarket.ed.ac.uk by violet.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id MAA21685; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 12:48:29 +0100 (BST) Received: from srv0.civ.ed.ac.uk (srv0.civ.ed.ac.uk [129.215.60.200]) by haymarket.ed.ac.uk (8.6.13/8.6.12) with ESMTP id MAA27889 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 12:48:10 +0100 Received: from CIV-SRV0/SpoolDir by srv0.civ.ed.ac.uk (Mercury 1.21); 25 Oct 96 12:50:17 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by CIV-SRV0 (Mercury 1.30); 25 Oct 96 12:49:50 +0000 From: "BARRY O'KANE" Organization: Civil Engineering, Edinburgh Uni To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Fri, 25 Oct 1996 12:49:43 +0000 Subject: Student Clubs Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Message-ID: Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hi all, Just a quick reminder to all the clubs that have not yet returned the Student survey - please do so!! BARRY From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sun Oct 27 08:25:56 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id IAA00626; Sun, 27 Oct 1996 08:24:00 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id IAA29909; Sun, 27 Oct 1996 08:19:14 GMT Received: from arl-img-2.compuserve.com by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id IAA29892; Sun, 27 Oct 1996 08:18:44 GMT Received: by arl-img-2.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id DAA08200; Sun, 27 Oct 1996 03:18:08 -0500 Date: Sun, 27 Oct 1996 03:17:57 -0500 From: Ian Peter Stebbing <106040.3441@compuserve.com> Subject: Nationals Day 1 To: Britdisc Message-ID: <199610270318_MC1-B54-45D@compuserve.com> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO To all the avid players out there not actually at Nationals, the story (or what I can remember) at the end of play day 1. Stan nearly provided the shock of the tournament in its first game. Trailing Shotgun by 6 at about half they pulled back to 16-15, game to 17 before finally succumbing 17-15. The other game in this pool saw Catch 22 and Violently Happy playing a very tight contest where both teams had high hopes of progressing to the semi's. I believe the game went to the cap and was tied at 13-13 sudden death. VH pulled out the stops to keep there hopes alive clinching it 14-13. Stan buoyed by their excellent come back against Shotgun soon destroyed VH's aspirations and wrapped up second place beating both them and Catch comfortably. Shotgun eased into to the semi's in first place without any more close calls. In the other pool UTI and Druids beat Headrush and Chevron comfortably to set up the crunch game from this pool, who would avoid Shotgun in the semi! UTI took an early lead and seemed to be scoring upwind reasonably well apparently putting behind the trauma of last weekend behind them. At 8-4 up they were poised to take the half and probably the match as they had done all summer against the Druids. However Druids adjusted there style and started playing zone in both directions clamping down on UTI's ability to employ their running game. 3 points in a row for Druids and suddenly the contest was back on. UTI then managed to score down wind to take the half. UTI came out guns blazing to score down and up wind to stretch the lead back to 4. Druids and their zone slowly clawed themselves back into it again to level at 13-13 as time expired. Druids turned UTI over early and had two good opportunities to score the vital upwind point but rushes of blood to the head gave the disc back both times and UTI completed a huck play to regain the initiative. Druids scored downwind comfortably setting up the sudden death point. UTI had possession for most of the point but were unable to move constructively down field, another huck lead to a turn over and Druids moved steadily up field to score, their delight obvious after a first win over UTI in Britain. So the semi's see Shotgun vs UTI and 2 teams many had written off Druids vs Stan. As the weather worsens can UTI pull it out against Shotgun? From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sun Oct 27 11:25:43 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA10800; Sun, 27 Oct 1996 11:24:08 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id KAA23273; Tue, 22 Oct 1996 10:47:00 +0100 (BST) From: dmurray@soton.ac.uk Received: from beech.soton.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id KAA23259; Tue, 22 Oct 1996 10:46:30 +0100 (BST) Received: from ash.soton.ac.uk (ash.soton.ac.uk [152.78.128.88]) by beech.soton.ac.uk (8.6.12/hub-8.5a) with ESMTP id KAA20054 for ; Tue, 22 Oct 1996 10:46:18 +0100 Received: (from dmurray@localhost) by ash.soton.ac.uk (8.6.10/client-8.8) id KAA25093 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Tue, 22 Oct 1996 10:46:15 +0100 Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 10:46:15 +0100 Message-Id: <199610220946.KAA25093@ash.soton.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Us nationals X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO For those of you interested Just heard that Rage have pulled through against expectations to qualify for US nationals, naturally featuring our very own Harry Golby. Dave M From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sun Oct 27 11:25:51 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA10812; Sun, 27 Oct 1996 11:24:20 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id MAA01770; Tue, 22 Oct 1996 12:54:32 +0100 (BST) Received: from amsta.leeds.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id MAA01717; Tue, 22 Oct 1996 12:53:21 +0100 (BST) Received: from statlog.amsta.leeds.ac.uk (statlog.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.11]) by amsta.leeds.ac.uk (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA10650 for ; Tue, 22 Oct 1996 12:54:48 +0100 Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 12:54:48 +0100 From: S J Hill Message-Id: <199610221154.MAA10650@amsta.leeds.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Hurricane Lily Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO > Milne, Douglas M wrote: > > (Still looking forward to having the same great weather we had this > > w'end, next w'end, wet, windy & perfect for layouts) > > I was amused to hear on the weather forecast this morning that we're > likely to have the remains of Hurricane Lily around at the weekend > to spice things up! > > Should be fun! Given that we obviously had the best of the weather up North - and it looks as though that may continue I am taking the (well-justified in my opinion) step of requiring that all Catch matches this w/e be in Leeds. I expect UTI and Headrush will also plump for this option by the sound of the wind-play! Guy will be paying all the extra costs associated with flying between the two local airports. (There's one quite near Hitchin and Leeds-Bradford Airport is less than 15 mins drive from our pitch.) BUF will subsidise the taxi costs. Si From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sun Oct 27 11:25:47 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA10805; Sun, 27 Oct 1996 11:24:13 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id LAA26831; Tue, 22 Oct 1996 11:44:42 +0100 (BST) From: dmurray@soton.ac.uk Received: from beech.soton.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id LAA26819; Tue, 22 Oct 1996 11:44:20 +0100 (BST) Received: from ash.soton.ac.uk (ash.soton.ac.uk [152.78.128.88]) by beech.soton.ac.uk (8.6.12/hub-8.5a) with ESMTP id LAA28284 for ; Tue, 22 Oct 1996 11:44:16 +0100 Received: (from dmurray@localhost) by ash.soton.ac.uk (8.6.10/client-8.8) id LAA26457 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Tue, 22 Oct 1996 11:44:11 +0100 Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 11:44:11 +0100 Message-Id: <199610221044.LAA26457@ash.soton.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: BBC south Today X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO If you live in the south, have a laugh at the expense of the skunks 6-30 - 7 tonight on BBC south today there will be an article on ultimate, possibly including some live footage watch and see the skunks make total tits of themselves on camera Dave M From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sun Oct 27 11:26:03 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA10819; Sun, 27 Oct 1996 11:24:22 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id LAA25984; Tue, 22 Oct 1996 11:32:26 +0100 (BST) Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 11:32:06 +0100 (BST) Received: from dns0.curved-logic.com by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id LAA25971; Tue, 22 Oct 1996 11:32:06 +0100 (BST) Received: from pc04.curved-logic.com by dns0.curved-logic.com id aa18193; 22 Oct 96 11:29 GMT X-Sender: kevinl@dns0 (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: Kevin Lowe Subject: Re-arranging future Nationals Message-ID: <9610221129.aa18193@dns0.curved-logic.com> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO Uh Oh. Following Steve's comments, I can feel the floodgates opening. Simon will be suggesting we have the regionals a couple of months before the finals. Patch doesn't see why we should be so centered around University teams, Toby and Bud don't have a problem with November, Kevin wants the school teams considered, etc etc etc. Please, if you are interested in these discussions, come and join the formatting and guidelines group (See Scott's email). It may be fascinating to us, but I'm sure most of Britdisc don't want to return from a couple of days away from their computer to find hundreds of messages. Thank God this isn't taking place on Eurodisc, otherwise we'd have been flamed to hell by now. Kevin. |-------------------------------------------------------------- | E-mail Kev@Curved-logic.com | Curved Logic Limited. (+44)1244-382371 | Give me the wisdom to utter words that are gentle and tender, | for tomorrow I may have to eat them. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sun Oct 27 11:26:08 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA10832; Sun, 27 Oct 1996 11:24:37 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id MAA29946; Tue, 22 Oct 1996 12:30:08 +0100 (BST) Received: from wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id MAA29929; Tue, 22 Oct 1996 12:29:40 +0100 (BST) Received: by wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk (UK-Smail 3.1.25.1/15) id ; Tue, 22 Oct 96 12:29 BST Message-Id: Date: Tue, 22 Oct 96 12:29 BST From: mackay@mrao.cam.ac.uk (David J.C. MacKay) To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk, frisbee@dar.cam.ac.uk Subject: Knee problems Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO Dear Ultimate Players, I'm seeking advice about knee problems. There are a number of web pages already that discuss knees, but most of them are concerned with major injuries to the ACL (anterior cruciate ligament) and major surgery to repair it, and my situation is not in that league [I hope]. My symptoms are: after intense running (in which I don't have any knee pain) when I am walking normally, I occasionally get intense pain in the knee, as if some part of the knee has got a little bit out of line. This especially occurs when the leg is almost straight, e.g., when going down stairs at the point of putting weight onto the leg. This condition is now persisting for several days, so I need to do something about it. Having read some of the medical documents on ACL injury, I think the apparent looseness is consistent with having a stretched ACL (I don't think I've actually torn it). A medical friend suggested `damaged minisci' as another hypothesis. Has anyone had similar problems? Would a knee brace help with this sort of problem? Does anyone have a recommended brand of knee brace? Are there particular stretches and exercises that are a good idea? And are there exercises that are a *bad* idea? Please, if you have had similar knee problems, could you send your advice to me and I will put it all on a web page here: Knee problems. Thanks, David ========================================================================== David J.C. MacKay email: mackay@mrao.cam.ac.uk www: http://wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk/mackay/ Cavendish Laboratory, tel: (01223) 339852 fax: 354599 home: 276411 Madingley Road, international code: +44 1223 Cambridge CB3 0HE. U.K. home: 19 Thornton Road, Girton, Cambridge CB3 0NP From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sun Oct 27 11:26:28 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA10849; Sun, 27 Oct 1996 11:25:01 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id KAA23580; Tue, 22 Oct 1996 10:52:12 +0100 (BST) Received: from bungle.ftel.co.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id KAA23530; Tue, 22 Oct 1996 10:51:14 +0100 (BST) Received: from bungle.ftel.co.uk (ss@localhost.ftel.co.uk [127.0.0.1]) by bungle.ftel.co.uk (8.8.0/8.8.0/senet-solaris.mc@Tue01Oct1996-14:41PM) with SMTP id KAA05140 for ; Tue, 22 Oct 1996 10:50:48 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <326C98F6.4916@ftel.co.uk> Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 10:50:46 +0100 From: Steve Sheppard Organization: Fujitsu Telecommunications Europe Ltd X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (X11; I; SunOS 5.5 sun4m) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Re: SE Regionals tournament report References: <199610211439.PAA27944@newton.leeds.amsta> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO S J Hill wrote: > I thought I'd reply to your question... > ... > and then 1.: > A tournament format independent of seeding? The big barrier to this is > of course the necessity to play the tourney out within a w/e... The only > genuine way of ranking all teams is to run a complete league. > Clearly this can't happen in a w/e... and a league running over the summer > is something very far away from how ultimate seems to work.... > > However, an alternative is to have a ranking system based on tourney results. > This is pretty obvious. What is not obvious is how this should be achieved. > However, if the results are to be counted towards some sort of ranking/seeding > for nationals then the system has to be clear - but also able to cope with > a) ever-changing faces of teams... > b) the fact that not everyone can enter every tourney - nor should they be > expected to. > c) tourneys are thus of varying strengths and a position in some should be > "worth more" than the same position in another. > > I have been working on how we might usefully have such a system working at > a number of specified tournaments. An outline of this will probably be in > the next issue of ultimatum, (because of course its important that its an > idea that most people want to try out). > > Whilst this won't help from the point of view of your question immediately, > I hope that if it works out to be popular > it could eventually become a fairer method by which teams qualify for > Nationals, although I certainly haven't considered exactly how that would work > as yet: there are obviously several alternatives.... > > Of course if people *are* interested in the idea it will basically give us a > league (the ranking tour) and a cup (national finals).... which will open > up the intriguing question of how many consecutive years Shotgun can "do > the league and cup double"! > This seems like a good idea! Unfortunately I can't see how it will fit in with the student teams. Particularly if the Nationals continue to be at the end of October. It oftens happens that the ability of a student team can change dramatically between academic years when several key players finish their courses. This brings me onto the topic of the date for the nationals, something which I'm sure has undergone lengthly discussion already. But I thought I would keep the discussion going ;-). Is their no chance that the nationals could be arranged for July sometime, to fit between the end of exams and the end of term for most students. (This may mean the regionals will need to be around easter, but at least they won't be consecutive weeks, the average age of our team is 32 after all!). This alternative date would allow the freshers to gain some experience and improve the prospects of better weather. I was a little concerned that the bad weather at the regionals may put off some freshers for whom this was probably their first tournament! Just my own opinion! Steve STAN P.S.: Thank you to all the regional TD and assistants for there hard work. My only disappointment was when the tea ran out on Sunday ;-)! -- Dr Steven J. Sheppard Fujitsu Telecom. Europe Ltd ** email: S.Sheppard@ftel.co.uk Birmingham Business Park ** phone: 0121 717 6503 Birmingham, B37 7YU ** fax : 0121 717 6014 From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sun Oct 27 11:26:36 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA10867; Sun, 27 Oct 1996 11:25:12 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id NAA05444; Tue, 22 Oct 1996 13:47:52 +0100 (BST) Received: from dryctnath.mmu.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id NAA05383; Tue, 22 Oct 1996 13:47:05 +0100 (BST) Received: from ghondr.mmu.ac.uk by dryctnath.mmu.ac.uk with SMTP (MMTA) with ESMTP; Tue, 22 Oct 1996 13:46:24 +0100 Received: from MMU-HSS-GHONDR/SpoolDir by ghondr.mmu.ac.uk (Mercury 1.21); 22 Oct 96 13:46:31 +0100 Received: from SpoolDir by MMU-HSS-GHONDR (Mercury 1.30); 22 Oct 96 13:45:55 +0100 From: Lawrence PAULSON <94853843@mmu.ac.uk> Organization: Manchester Metropolitan University To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 13:45:44 +0100 Subject: BD: North and Midlands Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.30) Message-ID: <149406F20@ghondr.mmu.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO Dear All, As nobody else seems to be bothered I guessed I'd give my personal account of what happened this weekend in Boston Spa at the North and Midland Regionals. The first thing I should say is that there's an easy and rather obvious solution to all these bickerings about caps and half-times- lose all your games by enough points to make these things academic, or, if you really must, win them by an equally huge margin! Simple and effective! But seriously though... As a relatively inexperienced team Fingers 6, and no doubt many of the teams this weekend came up against the hardest d-team of them all- the weather. We got an early trousering from our Manchester colleagues Chevvy AF (Scott- their name is CheVRon NOT CheRVon as you insist on calling them), and then lost tight games to Celts (nice shirts) and the auld enemie Purple Haze (nice shirts) in which the scoring of an upwind point was the deciding factor, leaving us bottom of our group of 4. Because of this we didn't have a final cross-over game so instead we finished the day with an impromptu pick-up game with members of the Sneeekys 2nd/3rd teams- now that's what I call dedication, you lose every game, you're knackered as hell, you're pissed off with the wind and still you wanna play Ultimate. Nutters. Saturday evening was at Leeds Uni. Union- a strangely subdued affair- with no music (so no embarrassing dance-floor incidents) and the absence of some of the major teams (Chevron AF for one), who are now too grown-up and serious to stay out late. On Sunday we had much more fun. The rain came down but at least the wind abated. We had 3 awesome, close games- firstly against Phat'Eds 2 who came back from a 7-1 deficit at 1/2 time to just miss out and lose 9-7, then against Disciples which was standing at 11-11 with cap at 12, when we won the final desparate point, to set up a spoon final against Jesters in which we were 7-1 down at half time but gave them a better game in the 2nd half but still lost 9-6. I'm afraid I was oblivious as to what was going on elsewhere in the tournament, as I was too busy running my little legs into the ground and trying to keep warm to take much notice of anyone else. I know Phat'Eds 1 won the Plate, Stan won the final against Catch 22 and Purple Haze won the Spirit of the Game award. One point raised during play on Sunday- how's about a Finals tournament for those teams who didn't qualify for the Hitchin final. It's getting to the stage where we're playing the same old teams all the time and never getting to meet any of the southern teams, in fact I don't think I've ever played against half the teams from the SE- and withthe student make-up of our team meaning we're generally weak over summer and autumn, I don't think we ever will. On a similar divisive theme I, overheard at the w/e a mention of a summer league next year featuring an elite top 8 teams. Can anyone fill me in on this because it seems to have been kept strangely silent to the so-called lesser teams who won't be involved- and I personally might have something to say on the subject. Anyways, cheers to Rich Parkes, Si Hill and everyone from Leeds for putting on such a well-run tournament- apart from the weather (I think Si and I were at different tournaments) everything went very smoothly, and I for one thoroughly enjoyed myself. See you all soon (if you live in the North), Love and Luck, Lawrence PAULSON. Chair, Fingers 6 (Manchester,UK) Ultimate Frisbee Club. Tel: (0161) 882-0560 From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sun Oct 27 11:26:43 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA10834; Sun, 27 Oct 1996 11:24:41 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id NAA04990; Tue, 22 Oct 1996 13:41:38 +0100 (BST) Received: from violet.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id NAA04963; Tue, 22 Oct 1996 13:40:52 +0100 (BST) Received: from mail.rmplc.net by violet.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id NAA12155; Tue, 22 Oct 1996 13:40:42 +0100 (BST) Received: from acotgreave ([172.16.27.34]) by mail.rmplc.net (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA17561 for ; Tue, 22 Oct 1996 13:37:44 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199610221237.NAA17561@mail.rmplc.net> From: "Andy Cotgreave" To: "Britdisc" Subject: Re: SE Regionals tournament report Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 13:38:47 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hello, >Is their no chance that the nationals could be > arranged > for July sometime, to fit between the end of exams and the end of term > for > most students. (This may mean the regionals will need to be around > easter, > but at least they won't be consecutive weeks, the average age of our > team is 32 > after all!). > The Nationals have to be at the end of the summer, because surely the whole point is to work your team up for the summer, and reach the peak of your ability after that, playing your best ultimate at the climax of the season. It would be pointless having the outdoor nationals at the start of the outdoor season, because most people would still be trying to play with an indoor style. Also, the main concern you have about the lateness of the Nationals regards the student teams. Surely the student outdoor nationals exist to alleviate this. Yes, student teams probably won't ever be as strong at the Nationals, but students do get to go to more tournaments on the whole. I've just graduated, and am lamenting the loss of mystudent status :(. Andy C Chevron Action Flash From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sun Oct 27 11:26:48 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA10887; Sun, 27 Oct 1996 11:25:34 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id PAA12031; Tue, 22 Oct 1996 15:23:25 +0100 (BST) Received: from dira.bris.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id PAA11968; Tue, 22 Oct 1996 15:22:47 +0100 (BST) Received: from siva.bris.ac.uk by dira.bris.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Tue, 22 Oct 1996 15:22:06 +0100 Received: by siva.bris.ac.uk (MX V4.2 AXP) id 103; Tue, 22 Oct 1996 13:48:24 BST Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 13:48:24 BST From: Pete Hallett To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Message-ID: <009AA3A8.28911AC6.103@siva.bris.ac.uk> Subject: RE: Knee problems Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO David, If you want to feel better about your knee then I suggest you watch Adam Batchelor running about these days ;) But seriously - if it's that bad then go to a doctor and if he won't do anything fast pay for a physio as they often know specialists who can sort you out. I had a repetative shoulder injury which was permanently cured within a month by my physio for a total cost of less than 80 pounds - sometimes it's worth spending money to get to the bottom of these things. Pete. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sun Oct 27 11:26:55 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA10899; Sun, 27 Oct 1996 11:25:52 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id QAA17101; Tue, 22 Oct 1996 16:46:40 +0100 (BST) Received: from violet.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id QAA17074; Tue, 22 Oct 1996 16:45:26 +0100 (BST) Received: from curlew.cs.man.ac.uk by violet.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id PAA18676; Tue, 22 Oct 1996 15:55:03 +0100 (BST) Received: from fs4.eng.man.ac.uk by curlew.cs.man.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Tue, 22 Oct 1996 14:06:00 +0100 Received: from MAN-ENG-FS4/MAILQUEUE by fs4.eng.man.ac.uk (Mercury 1.21); 22 Oct 96 14:08:42 GMT Received: from MAILQUEUE by MAN-ENG-FS4 (Mercury 1.21); 22 Oct 96 14:07:54 GMT From: "I.T.Cuddihy" To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 14:07:46 GMT Subject: Sharks??? Reply-to: mbga5itc@stud.man.ac.uk X-Confirm-Reading-To: mbga5itc@stud.man.ac.uk X-pmrqc: 1 Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail/Windows (v1.21) Message-ID: <7E22770B4D@fs4.eng.man.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO Dear Ultimate players, does anyone out there know of a place in this country where I might be able to find a pair of Nike Sharks or something similar. Ideally somewhere in the North-west would be great but I'd be greatful for any info at all. Thanks , Ian Fingers 6. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sun Oct 27 11:27:01 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA10872; Sun, 27 Oct 1996 11:25:20 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id MAA00855; Tue, 22 Oct 1996 12:42:02 +0100 (BST) Received: from taurus.cus.cam.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id MAA00817; Tue, 22 Oct 1996 12:41:01 +0100 (BST) Received: from msr16 by taurus.cus.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 0.563 #1) id ; Tue, 22 Oct 1996 12:40:56 +0100 Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 12:40:56 +0100 (BST) From: "M.S. Robb" cc: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk, frisbee@dar.cam.ac.uk Subject: Re: Knee problems In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO David, Go and see a real physio. Spend fifteen or twenty quid on someone that you get *by personal recommendation* and find out what the real story is. If you get it wrong, you could pay savagely. Is you knee worth a few quid? There is no excuse, there is no accusation. Isonomia - http://www.isonomia.demon.co.uk Julian's site - http://www.keele.ac.uk/depts/po/table/brit/brit.htm From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sun Oct 27 11:27:34 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA10838; Sun, 27 Oct 1996 11:24:46 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id KAA23322; Tue, 22 Oct 1996 10:47:29 +0100 (BST) Received: from venus.le.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id KAA23317; Tue, 22 Oct 1996 10:47:18 +0100 (BST) Received: from hawk.le.ac.uk by venus.le.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Tue, 22 Oct 1996 10:52:06 +0100 Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 10:43:46 +0100 (BST) From: Scott X-Sender: iws1@hawk To: Toby Green cc: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Re: SW Regionals - Responding to Toby - Reply - Reply In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO For Information, > My point is rather more fundamental. I think that the BUF should lay down > minimum standards for all matches in Nationals, starting from pitch size, > availablility of water etc, through to game length, time-outs, half-times etc. A > properly thought-through set of arrangements would then help TD's run the > tournament more evenly across the country. Something as fundamental as half-time > to negate the toss should not be a matter of debate in one part of the > tournament - it should be a standard. > > Something for the Exec to chew on! Indeed! This summer I asked for people interested in laying down guidlines for running tournaments which would be enforced at nationals. A total of seven people volunteered for this group including Toby, Myself, Simon Hill, Patch, Kevin Lowe, Sonic and Becca (Ex?-Skunk). Much discussion has been had and resulted in some changes in the way the nationals were run this year. Obviously the points that Toby has now raised were not considered but can now be, since they have been raised - most tournament rules have come about because of bad experiences not good planning. So, if you feel you have anything to offer by way of bad/good experiences or planning of future nationals tournaments then why not join this group (the only commitment is to spend some time commenting on ideas and putting some forward yourself!). Just mail me and tell me your interested. I'm sure Simon will join with me in saying that the BUF's approach to the Nationals and planning of tournaments in general is going to change over the next year or so to a much more professional approach (Simon has already given a hint of this in his mail to David) - rather than the "just in time" approach of the last few years (mainly due to the lack of the long overdue Director of Competitions). Isn't this what you want? Please remember that the BUF is a *Federation of Clubs* and its basically up to you what the BUF does - so please take an interest, you *will* be heard. Scott /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ SCOTT: Ian Scotland Tel: 0116 2525824 Fax: 0116 2523154 E-mail: iws1@le.ac.uk http://wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk/buf/ /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sun Oct 27 11:27:38 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA10933; Sun, 27 Oct 1996 11:26:33 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id NAA12520; Wed, 23 Oct 1996 13:48:51 +0100 (BST) Received: from violet.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id NAA12445; Wed, 23 Oct 1996 13:47:02 +0100 (BST) Received: from mail.rmplc.net by violet.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id NAA08302; Wed, 23 Oct 1996 13:05:24 +0100 (BST) Received: from acotgreave ([172.16.27.34]) by mail.rmplc.net (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA10866 for ; Wed, 23 Oct 1996 13:02:25 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199610231202.NAA10866@mail.rmplc.net> From: "Andy Cotgreave" To: "Britdisc" Subject: A quick question Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 12:45:47 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hi all, I have only been subscribing to BDisc for a couple of weeks, so if this is repeating something said before, sorry. At the moment, there's a pretty good debate going on about tourny formats here on BDisc. Why should we be moving it to Sly Hill's special forum? Surely the point of Britdisc is to be a froum for debating British Ultimate. Is Britdisc only to be a notice board (VERY DULL), or a forum for debate? If this thread gets moved off of Britdisc, then surely fewer people are going to be involved. Only by involving as many people as possible can we develop Ultimate in the way that the majority wish. Seeya Andy C Chevron From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sun Oct 27 11:28:02 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA10954; Sun, 27 Oct 1996 11:26:56 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id WAA07562; Tue, 22 Oct 1996 22:54:14 +0100 (BST) Received: from mail.clarityconnect.com by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id WAA07546; Tue, 22 Oct 1996 22:53:45 +0100 (BST) Received: from [206.64.143.105] by mail.clarityconnect.com with ESMTP (Apple Internet Mail Server 1.1.1); Tue, 22 Oct 1996 17:58:53 +0000 X-Sender: silbey@mail.clarityconnect.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <2B0DA5F5992@rose.le.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 17:58:48 -0400 To: "R.A. Kingsley" From: David Silbey Subject: Re: the need to qualify? Cc: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO >This is a personal view point but I'm sure I won't be alone. Dora >Kemp has already indicated that she (and her team) enjoy playing >against Shitgun and this is a view point I wish to echo (although it >would be nice if they smiled once or twice while they give other >teams a sound thrashing). The only way that 'lesser' teams will >improve is by playing against and watching other more experienced >teams. I agree with your point. On the other had, I've had a different experience with Sh(o)tgun. I've been soundly thrashed by them a number of times, and they've always been perfectly cordial and friendly, with smiles included. That doesn't mean I enjoyed it, but they played with respect. The Druids, of course, are a different matter... David (ex) LURKERS _____ David J Silbey Duke University dsilbey@acpub.duke.edu From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sun Oct 27 11:28:16 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA10920; Sun, 27 Oct 1996 11:26:23 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id JAA19922; Tue, 22 Oct 1996 09:41:54 +0100 (BST) Received: from bungle.ftel.co.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id JAA19917; Tue, 22 Oct 1996 09:41:46 +0100 (BST) Received: from bungle.ftel.co.uk (ss@localhost.ftel.co.uk [127.0.0.1]) by bungle.ftel.co.uk (8.8.0/8.8.0/senet-solaris.mc@Tue01Oct1996-14:41PM) with SMTP id JAA00768 for ; Tue, 22 Oct 1996 09:41:37 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <326C88BF.6923@ftel.co.uk> Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 09:41:35 +0100 From: Steve Sheppard Organization: Fujitsu Telecommunications Europe Ltd X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (X11; I; SunOS 5.5 sun4m) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Re: S London Floodlit Shotgun Practice References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO Milne, Douglas M wrote: > (Still looking forward to having the same great weather we had this > w'end, next w'end, wet, windy & perfect for layouts) I was amused to hear on the weather forecast this morning that we're likely to have the remains of Hurricane Lily around at the weekend to spice things up! Should be fun! Steve STAN -- Dr Steven J. Sheppard Fujitsu Telecom. Europe Ltd ** email: S.Sheppard@ftel.co.uk Birmingham Business Park ** phone: 0121 717 6503 Birmingham, B37 7YU ** fax : 0121 717 6014 From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sun Oct 27 11:28:14 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA10958; Sun, 27 Oct 1996 11:27:03 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id XAA08611; Tue, 22 Oct 1996 23:20:33 +0100 (BST) Received: from violet.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id XAA08587; Tue, 22 Oct 1996 23:20:05 +0100 (BST) Received: from arl-img-3.compuserve.com by violet.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id XAA07079; Tue, 22 Oct 1996 23:19:54 +0100 (BST) Received: by arl-img-3.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id SAA07788; Tue, 22 Oct 1996 18:19:20 -0400 Date: 22 Oct 96 18:18:01 EDT From: Stuart Clark <101336.3664@compuserve.com> To: Britdisc Subject: 3 Re's in 1 Message-ID: <961022221800_101336.3664_GHW73-6@CompuServe.COM> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO Firstly, Si Hill, One word of advice, ignore all your mail messages all day, then read all of them together last thing before you leave - then you can compose one big reply!!! Like this..... David Mackay wrote: >incidentally, can a different tournament format be found which reliably identifies and ranks >the top 5 teams in a region, independent of seeding? and Si Hill replied: >nobody (except possibly First Touch) could have known that >this might happen given their results over the summer. If they had got >hold of Chris or myself beforehand and let us know that they had some >different players then they may have been seeded higher... but TDs aren't >psychic... I think the last point is the most valid. TD's cannot take the full brunt of the blame for seedings which go slightly awry, they can only go on past experience of how teams have performed over the year and produce a seedings list which they hope fairly accurately reflects this performance. Another thing to be said for Nationals (and Regionals) is that countless numbers of good, bad and indifferent players come out of the woodwork to play in these tournaments which means that squads that go to Nationals can be boosted and sometimes very different from those that compete during the rest of the summer. I spoke to Chris Hughes before the tournament about formats - Did we want peer pools? Didn't we? At the end of the day I said to him that I wanted a format that gave EVERY team a shot at qualifying and at the end of the day, isn't it the five strongest teams that are going through from the South-East? If you look at the placings, despite being mixed around, seven of the top eight seeds finished in the top eight, the only surprise being First Touch, Final placings were [with initial seedings in brackets]: 1 Shotgun Wedding [1] 2 UTI [2] 3 Violently Happy [3] 4 First Touch [14] 5 Strange Blue [8] 6 Exotica Playthings [7] 7 Lurkers [4] 8 Village People [5] Lurkers and Village were both fielding depleted squads for whatever reasons and the other top seeded team (Mohawks at 6) who finished at 13 were missing two of their veterans. If you take all these things into account, the seedings (at least for the top eight) were pretty accurate. The ranking/summer league system Si is talking about goes a long way to address these "problems", which, if I understand it correctly, identifies 5 or 6 key summer tournaments (the BIG ones!!) where final placings will be important. It is then up to the teams entering these 5 or 6 to field the closest semblance to a Nationals squad that they can muster for those tournaments. Again, this system is only reliable if this is what happens, otherwise you have the situation you have now. (Before we get into a big row about this, can we at least wait until Ultimatum comes out so we're all fully informed and starting on the same footing) Toby Green wrote with regard to Nationals Formats: >My point is rather more fundamental. I think that the BUF should lay down >minimum standards for all matches in Nationals, starting from pitch size, >availablility of water etc, through to game length, time-outs, half-times etc. A >properly thought-through set of arrangements would then help TD's run the >tournament more evenly across the country. Something as fundamental as half-time >to negate the toss should not be a matter of debate in one part of the >tournament - it should be a standard. Toby, after last years national finals I wrote to Sam (BUF Director), Scott (BUF Secretary) and Jon Hope (National Finals TD) to suggest that there be some kind of standardisation of both format and rules for both regionals and Nationals. I suggested that the BUF director, secretary, Regional Co-ordinators and/or Tournament Directors (if different from RC's) should meet well in advance of the National tournaments to agree on the format/guidelines/rules/general running of each tournament and that the decisions made should be communicated to all competing teams well in advance of Nationals so that if anyone had any problems with those decisions they could raise them and get them sorted out beforehand. Whilst such blinding enlightenment might be impractical to implement, one of the things that came out of that letter was the formation of a Tournament Rules Group (TRG) at every National Tournament, which is to comprise the TD, a BUF officer and a player. These people are there to deal with any problems teams encounter or any unfairness teams feel they have been dealt, and as Kevin has already confirmed in his reply, such a group was in operation at the SW regionals. Finally (Phew! Everyone relaxes). Lawrence wrote: >One point raised during play on Sunday- how's about a Finals >tournament for those teams who didn't qualify for the Hitchin final. >It's getting to the stage where we're playing the same old teams all >the time. Yeah, brilliant idea and I'm sure that those teams that don't qualify would love to play again in a "Not the Nationals" rather like the skunks held indoors a couple of years ago. Unfortunately it's fraught with problems. The biggest, and most damaging of these is one that RC's and the BUF exec encounter all too frequently - apathy. Getting bids for Regionals and Finals is challenging enough without the added bonus of trying to find people to put on the "non-qualifiers" tournament. Secondly, who's going to host it? Any team going to regionals with half a hope of qualifying is not going to be spending their spare time organising a tournament that they're not intending to go to - therefore only teams who know they aren't going to qualify would be potential hosts for such a tournament and if that's the case, what's the point in them going to Regionals in the first place, AND if that's true, why don't they host a tournament ANY time of the year - not just as a consolation tournament for those who didn't qualify - Now you're going round in circles and you're back with apathy. Finally, supposing none of the above is true and I'm talking rubbish (unlikely - but it could happen ;-)). If Finals are within a week or two of regionals then any team hosting this consolation tournament would most likely have to be a University/School team with quick access to highly available grounds or halls. No Open/Womens team is going to be able to book a ground and organise a tournament in a fortnight - or if they do, they're miracle workers!!! These are just thoughts and they are totally open to criticism and comment - more of which can only improve things in the future. Cheers Stu. SE RC VILLAGE PEOPLE P.S. Kev, >Thank God this isn't taking place on Eurodisc, otherwise we'd have been flamed to hell by >now. True, but hasn't Eurodisc been quiet since we all jumped ship? Oooh, Harsh - but Fair!!! Heh Heh. I'm not even going to get into the argument about when to hold Nationals. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sun Oct 27 11:28:20 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA10972; Sun, 27 Oct 1996 11:27:12 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id RAA24310; Wed, 23 Oct 1996 17:56:21 +0100 (BST) Received: from violet.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id RAA24263; Wed, 23 Oct 1996 17:55:03 +0100 (BST) From: dmurray@soton.ac.uk Received: from beech.soton.ac.uk by violet.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id RAA23866; Wed, 23 Oct 1996 17:33:05 +0100 (BST) Received: from ash.soton.ac.uk (ash.soton.ac.uk [152.78.128.88]) by beech.soton.ac.uk (8.6.12/hub-8.5a) with ESMTP id RAA08832 for ; Wed, 23 Oct 1996 17:32:57 +0100 Received: (from dmurray@localhost) by ash.soton.ac.uk (8.6.10/client-8.8) id RAA09577 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Wed, 23 Oct 1996 17:32:55 +0100 Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 17:32:55 +0100 Message-Id: <199610231632.RAA09577@ash.soton.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: qualifing X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO I think top teams should qualify as stu said how do you decide with the way ultimate changes who should qualify and who should not and I can remember playing for skunks in my first year in my first tournament the team playing out of there skin to score just twice against the hombres yet we loved the game. it was great to see these great players wasting us and it was great to see how well we could play I felt strange blue had a very good game against us at teh weekend which showed they ahd a lot of potential. how do they measure this if they never play against the best teams I enjoy playing qualifing tournaments, injuries are bad luck but that's just life, if you are not going full out you are much less likely to injure yourself I say stick with qualifing as it is make teams earn their places Dave M Under The Influence From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sun Oct 27 11:28:41 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA10968; Sun, 27 Oct 1996 11:27:08 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id QAA21262; Wed, 23 Oct 1996 16:49:34 +0100 (BST) Received: from arl-img-3.compuserve.com by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id QAA21207; Wed, 23 Oct 1996 16:48:06 +0100 (BST) Received: by arl-img-3.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id LAA27602; Wed, 23 Oct 1996 11:11:27 -0400 Date: 23 Oct 96 11:02:42 EDT From: Stuart Clark <101336.3664@compuserve.com> To: Britdisc Subject: Drawing the line. Message-ID: <961023150241_101336.3664_GHW136-1@CompuServe.COM> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO I think Rob is right in asking the question - if you scrub qualifying for the top teams, where do you draw the line? In the South East it's easy, we have three teams who are pretty much untouchable at the top (Shotgun, UTI, Violently Happy) and despite their own internal battle for the top three places, the real contest at the regionals was for the 4th and 5th qualifying places, but in the other regions it's more difficult. Who'd have put Headrush at 2, Tribal at 3 and Monks at 4 in the SW? Or Red at 4 and Blue Arse Flies at 5 in the N/M. Crystal Palace vs Gillingham. Coca-Cola Cup. Say no more. Stu. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sun Oct 27 11:28:49 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA11013; Sun, 27 Oct 1996 11:27:48 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id KAA18682; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 10:38:58 +0100 (BST) Received: from mail.rmplc.net by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id KAA18655; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 10:38:00 +0100 (BST) Received: from acotgreave ([172.16.27.34]) by mail.rmplc.net (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA26391 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 10:34:58 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199610250934.KAA26391@mail.rmplc.net> From: "Andy Cotgreave" To: "Britdisc" Subject: Soemthing to stoke the fire... Date: Fri, 25 Oct 1996 10:38:01 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hi all, Well, it has been an active week on BD, and there are certain common threads. It seems that most people want to see the top teams help out the bottom teams, and for the whole to stay together. That is a fairly common line on BD, and one which is great for the development of a wider base of British ultimate players. However, all these opinions suggest a desire to help out the weaker teams more than the stronger teams. In Britain, what is done to develop the highest level of British ultimate? By keeping regionals and non-peer pool tournaments we grow in terms of numbers, but until the top teams can compete exclusivley with each other, the highest level of competitive British ultimate will not improve. We are at the situation where there are plenty of teams for concurrent tournaments. If there were tournaments for top teams, and lesser teams, then the top tournaments would be more competitive, and improve the higher level. Other tournaments would be *equally* competitive, because the level of play would be more equal on both days, and there would be new teams emerging as winners. This would serve to improve the game at both levels, and teams would be able to choose which level they want to play at. Some sort of strategy like that would help out both the upper and lower echelons of British Ultimate, IMHO. These opinions aren't necessarily ones I passionately believe in, but I do think they could help the sport. Seeya Andy C Chevron From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sun Oct 27 11:28:58 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA10961; Sun, 27 Oct 1996 11:27:04 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id SAA24881; Tue, 22 Oct 1996 18:57:02 +0100 (BST) Received: from violet.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id SAA24873; Tue, 22 Oct 1996 18:56:40 +0100 (BST) Received: from pillar.elsevier.co.uk by violet.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id SAA25301; Tue, 22 Oct 1996 18:06:23 +0100 (BST) Received: from snowdon.elsevier.co.uk (snowdon.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.197.164]) by pillar.elsevier.co.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id SAA14975 for ; Tue, 22 Oct 1996 18:03:15 +0100 (BST) Received: from ELSEVIER.CO.UK (actually host eslgate.elsevier.co.uk) by snowdon.elsevier.co.uk with SMTP (PP); Tue, 22 Oct 1996 18:05:34 +0100 Received: from ES#u#OXF-Message_Server by ELSEVIER.CO.UK with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 22 Oct 1996 18:05:24 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 18:06:00 +0100 From: Toby Green To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk, eurodisc@ira.uka.de Subject: 1997 Ultimate Calendar Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO The 1997 Ultimate Calendar is ready! 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Green. *For our British fans, the calendar will be on sale at Nationals this weekend, so you can save yourself the postage! best regards Toby From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sun Oct 27 11:29:01 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA10991; Sun, 27 Oct 1996 11:27:29 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id QAA29833; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 16:52:21 +0100 (BST) Received: from violet.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id QAA29815; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 16:50:51 +0100 (BST) Received: from pillar.elsevier.co.uk by violet.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id QAA04743; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 16:20:46 +0100 (BST) Received: from snowdon.elsevier.co.uk (snowdon.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.197.164]) by pillar.elsevier.co.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id QAA07382 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 16:17:16 +0100 (BST) Received: from elsevier.co.uk (actually host ukgwmime01.elsevier.co.uk) by snowdon.elsevier.co.uk with SMTP (PP); Fri, 25 Oct 1996 16:19:46 +0100 Received: from ES#u#OXF-Message_Server by elsevier.co.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 16:20:25 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Fri, 25 Oct 1996 16:20:39 +0000 From: Toby Green To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk, iws1@leicester.ac.uk Subject: Re: Something (else) to stoke the fire... -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO I welcome Arams' suggestion. Not least because this is precisely what I sought to achieve when I moved from London to Oxford. A number of teams have tried over the years to poach me (funnily enough the offers are getting fewer now - I wonder why? Must be getting real slow now) but I resisted offers simply because I believe that it's going to be better for the sport in the long run if local teams become established, rather than old boys' teams. Not only have we created four new teams over the years, but anyone living in the Oxford area gets guaranteed ultimate every week. The only disappointment is that we've never put together a really good team. And that's where I would welcome coaching help. See you all this weekend Toby From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sun Oct 27 11:29:09 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA11002; Sun, 27 Oct 1996 11:27:40 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id RAA15098; Thu, 24 Oct 1996 17:01:58 +0100 (BST) Received: from violet.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id RAA15085; Thu, 24 Oct 1996 17:00:54 +0100 (BST) Received: from newsgate.dircon.co.uk by violet.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id PAA25394; Thu, 24 Oct 1996 15:46:01 +0100 (BST) Received: from dmotive.UUCP (dmotive@localhost) by newsgate.dircon.co.uk (8.6.12/8.6.9) with UUCP id PAA19813 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Thu, 24 Oct 1996 15:00:16 +0100 Date: 24 Oct 96 14:57:00 +0000 From: Jonathan Schofield Subject: A quick reply... To: BritDisc Message-ID: <961024.145700@designmotive.co.uk> X-Mailer: InterCall 1.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO Andy Cotgreave wrote... >Why should we be moving [the tournament guidelines debate]=20 >to Sly Hill's special forum? Surely the point of Britdisc is to be=20 >a forum for debating British Ultimate.=20 >Is Britdisc only to be a notice board (VERY DULL), or a forum=20 >for debate? If this thread gets moved off of Britdisc,=20 >then surely fewer people are going to be involved. Only by=20 >involving as many people as possible can we develop Ultimate=20 >in the way that the majority wish. A fine sentiment, but surely not very practical.=20 1. You only need to have attended a BUF AGM to know that the=20 more people that contribute to a debate in an unfocused way,=20 the less likely a consensus will be reached. 2. To imply that the only people with an opinion worth hearing=20 are those on e-mail is the height of digital arrogance! Surely the best way forward is for a select few to consider=20 the options and possibilities and construct a questionnaire/survey that can be published in Ultimatum, thus ensuring that everyone=20 who is inclined/can be bothered to offer their opinion is able=20 to do so in a focused way that can be easily analysed. Jonathan Shotgun From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sun Oct 27 11:29:19 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA11029; Sun, 27 Oct 1996 11:28:03 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id PAA28325; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 15:55:21 +0100 (BST) Received: from violet.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id PAA28279; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 15:52:41 +0100 (BST) Received: from haymarket.ed.ac.uk by violet.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id PAA01156; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 15:23:54 +0100 (BST) Received: from srv0.civ.ed.ac.uk (srv0.civ.ed.ac.uk [129.215.60.200]) by haymarket.ed.ac.uk (8.6.13/8.6.12) with ESMTP id PAA15937 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 15:23:50 +0100 Received: from CIV-SRV0/SpoolDir by srv0.civ.ed.ac.uk (Mercury 1.21); 25 Oct 96 15:25:59 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by CIV-SRV0 (Mercury 1.30); 25 Oct 96 15:25:42 +0000 From: "BARRY O'KANE" Organization: Civil Engineering, Edinburgh Uni To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Fri, 25 Oct 1996 15:25:37 +0000 Subject: Re: Something (else) to stoke the fire... Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Message-ID: Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO Scott wrote: > > However, our team is constantly feeling the pressure of aspiring > no-geo teams who would like to poach our better players with promises > of beating shotgun/playing at worlds/being seen by the GB selectors > which does nothing to help (I even remember in a flaming I once > had from Roger that he suggested I play for a serious team, erhem). > The promise I always return with is that in 3 years time we will have > the skills, player base and organisation to fight it out with anyone, > and this will only be because like shotgun we practice and recruit locally. > > I like the idea of limiting players to regions, tightening up on > rostering and *tarting* or at least doing something about the > consistency of team members. Am I on my own? > > Scott Indeed you are not... having all the members of your team being able to practice together is, IMHO, a much better way to promote a country wide improvement in Ultimate - rather than improvement of a small number of teams made up of great individual players from all over the place. Having said that, rules such as this need to be properly implemented and then enforced - mistakes can result in hiccups such as happened at the student outdoors last year. BARRY From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sun Oct 27 11:29:27 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA10992; Sun, 27 Oct 1996 11:27:27 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id NAA09199; Thu, 24 Oct 1996 13:55:58 +0100 (BST) Received: from violet.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id NAA09176; Thu, 24 Oct 1996 13:54:44 +0100 (BST) Received: from dira.bris.ac.uk by violet.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id MAA11941; Thu, 24 Oct 1996 12:44:13 +0100 (BST) Received: from harrier.fen.bris.ac.uk by dira.bris.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Thu, 24 Oct 1996 12:43:50 +0100 Received: from V42 by harrier.fen.bris.ac.uk (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id MAA20086; Thu, 24 Oct 1996 12:43:41 +0100 From: Rob Cole To: Britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Re: qualifing Message-ID: Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 12:43:36 +0100 (BST) Priority: NORMAL X-Mailer: Simeon for Windows Version 4.0.9 X-Authentication: none MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO On Wed, 23 Oct 1996 17:32:55 +0100 dmurray@soton.ac.uk wrote: > I can remember playing for skunks in my first year > in my first tournament the team playing out of there skin > to score just twice against the hombres > yet we loved the game. > it was great to see these great players wasting us > and it was great to see how well we could play > Oh so true. We played one of our best games of the weekend aginst Druids, and went absolutely mental when we scored the first point of the game, up wind against their strange marking system. It is moments like that, when a top team is given a fright by another team that make the Qualifiers such a good idea. Also the South East situation, with Strange Touch (I think that was their name) coming much higher than their seeding shows why the qualifiers should stay the way they are. See you all at the weekend, ---------------------- Rob Cole, #7, "The Governor" Mythago Captain, 1996-7 me3101@bristol.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sun Oct 27 11:29:34 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA11042; Sun, 27 Oct 1996 11:28:37 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id LAA04019; Thu, 24 Oct 1996 11:13:13 +0100 (BST) Received: from vulcan by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA03994; Thu, 24 Oct 1996 11:12:16 +0100 (BST) Received: from hawk.le.ac.uk by vulcan with SMTP (PP); Thu, 24 Oct 1996 10:45:04 +0100 Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 10:44:08 +0100 (BST) From: Scott X-Sender: iws1@hawk To: britdisc Subject: Tournaments Think Tank Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hi all, Qualifiers have generated substantial debate about qualification for the finals and many people have shown an interest in joining the TOURNAMENTS THINK TANK as a result. Great! The think tank isn't just about who/how one should qualify for nationals or what that qualification procedure should be although it is a substantial theme. I am listing the main issues to try and gain some interest/participation from people who have opinions about other aspects of tournament organisation. 1) Medical Facilities at Nationals and other tournaments - should we have minimum requirements? 2) Safety Policy - this will soon be a requirement of our insurance cover and would include rules about obsticles on or around pitches (eg Rugby posts must be no closer than 5m from the edge of a pitch) 3) Seeding/Formatting - Nationals a) Regionals/Finals set-up? OR Ranking tournaments feeding into nationals? OR (your ideas here) b) If regionals - should regions be redrawn? - Who goes through from each region? c) Peer pools for finals? Standard format for Regionals d) When should nationals be held? e) Should Nationals be run just to find a winner? f) Longer and fewer games OR more shorter games? g) Should all games be played to time with a cap? h) Are the current elligibility rules appropriate? i) Should players be roster tied by nationals for WUCC and EUCC? j) Should the national finals hosts automatically qualify? If you have an opinion (however radical) on these matters then mail Simon or me and join the discussion group - otherwise remain the silent majority. Scott /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ SCOTT: Ian Scotland Tel: 0116 2525824 Fax: 0116 2523154 E-mail: iws1@le.ac.uk http://wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk/buf/ /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sun Oct 27 11:29:42 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA10977; Sun, 27 Oct 1996 11:27:15 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id RAA01559; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 17:45:18 +0100 (BST) Received: from violet.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id RAA01539; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 17:43:53 +0100 (BST) Received: from haymarket.ed.ac.uk by violet.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id RAA09973; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 17:43:31 +0100 (BST) Received: from srv0.civ.ed.ac.uk (srv0.civ.ed.ac.uk [129.215.60.200]) by haymarket.ed.ac.uk (8.6.13/8.6.12) with ESMTP id RAA29705 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 17:43:21 +0100 Received: from CIV-SRV0/SpoolDir by srv0.civ.ed.ac.uk (Mercury 1.21); 25 Oct 96 17:45:28 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by CIV-SRV0 (Mercury 1.30); 25 Oct 96 17:45:07 +0000 From: "BARRY O'KANE" Organization: Civil Engineering, Edinburgh Uni To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Fri, 25 Oct 1996 17:45:04 +0000 Subject: Coaching material? Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Message-ID: Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO The UPA produce a "Ultimate teaching package"; which includes a video (not much good here I suppose), "teaching kids", new skills and drills manual etc... Does anybody have any of this information - is it useful?? Are there other sources of information like this (other than in your head)? BARRY From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sun Oct 27 11:29:37 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA11047; Sun, 27 Oct 1996 11:28:43 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id OAA26045; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 14:27:02 +0100 (BST) Received: from venus.le.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id OAA26025; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 14:25:42 +0100 (BST) Received: from hawk.le.ac.uk by venus.le.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Fri, 25 Oct 1996 14:22:34 +0100 Date: Fri, 25 Oct 1996 14:14:13 +0100 (BST) From: Scott X-Sender: iws1@hawk To: britdisc Subject: Re: Something (else) to stoke the fire... In-Reply-To: <9610251056.AA21845@londonvnm1.lehman.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO Aram wrote: > I strongly feel that the biggest factor in Shotgun's longevity at the top > of British Ultimate is the fact that most of us live near each other and > therefore we are able to practice (train). I believe that as long as our > opposition are groups of ex-college friends (who might or might not be great > individual players) that get together at tournaments or occasional weekend > sessions, we will continue to dominate (not that I mind this part all that > much). Couldn't agree more! Anything that can be put in place to help and encourage the growth of geo-based teams is a definite bonus. As the coach of a team that consists entirely of players from the Leicester area I/we have been able to achieve a great deal more with lower quality players than I ever did with the many ex-uni teams I have played for! However, our team is constantly feeling the pressure of aspiring no-geo teams who would like to poach our better players with promises of beating shotgun/playing at worlds/being seen by the GB selectors which does nothing to help (I even remember in a flaming I once had from Roger that he suggested I play for a serious team, erhem). The promise I always return with is that in 3 years time we will have the skills, player base and organisation to fight it out with anyone, and this will only be because like shotgun we practice and recruit locally. I like the idea of limiting players to regions, tightening up on rostering and *tarting* or at least doing something about the consistency of team members. Am I on my own? Scott (bye, bye stack. so long man-on-man D) /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ SCOTT: Ian Scotland Tel: 0116 2525824 Fax: 0116 2523154 E-mail: iws1@le.ac.uk http://wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk/buf/ /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sun Oct 27 11:29:47 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA11068; Sun, 27 Oct 1996 11:29:06 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id PAA28086; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 15:46:19 +0100 (BST) Received: from mail.clarityconnect.com by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id PAA28071; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 15:44:51 +0100 (BST) Received: from [206.64.143.156] by mail.clarityconnect.com with ESMTP (Apple Internet Mail Server 1.1.1); Fri, 25 Oct 1996 10:49:43 +0000 X-Sender: silbey@mail.clarityconnect.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <961025.122818@designmotive.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 25 Oct 1996 09:07:13 -0400 To: Jonathan Schofield From: David Silbey Subject: Re: Into the fray... Cc: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO >Glad to see that David from Lurkers has noticed us grinning >whilst playing. But then in the past we've been criticised >for just that. Not from me, you haven't. >2. The point that y'all seem to be missing from Nolan's >excellent incendiary is that the top teams want to get >better too, but can't because we are condemned to spend >three quarters of our weekends playing teams that we know >we are going to thrash. You seem quite happy to be selfish >enough to require us to do this, but won't allow a little >selfishness on our part. Remember that the boys on Shotgun >have had to put up with this situation for between four >to nine years! (What a luxury, you think, but it really >isn't much fun). I think this is a useful point; it suggests that perhaps one of the reasons that the top British teams have not done as well in World Clubs as they perhaps would have liked is the lack of homegrown competition. It also suggests that rather than demerging being the answer, *more* mergers are a solution. The final (at Leicester [?]) between Shotgun and STAN seems a case in point. STAN, with 8/9 players, stayed with Gun (who had 14 or 15) for the first 10 points or so and then tired. Had STAN had 5 or 6 more quality players, I think they might have won. But I do agree with the argument that playing the top teams helps improve lower level squads, at very least by understanding the intensity and discipline that those high-level teams bring to the game. I know that practicing with Shotgun helped my game immensely, even if it was only trailing Roger (or you, John, or Aram, or Doug, or Ollie, or, oh for Christ's sake, all of you) around the pitch. My suggestion (there had to be one, didn't there?) is a mix of high-level and open tourneys: some tourneys at which top teams play each other only, and some tourneys where the format is as now, with everybody playing everybody. To prevent top teams from skipping the opens, have a certain minimum number of tournaments required to be eligible for Nationals. _____ David J Silbey Duke University dsilbey@acpub.duke.edu From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sun Oct 27 11:29:51 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA11044; Sun, 27 Oct 1996 11:28:40 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id WAA26691; Thu, 24 Oct 1996 22:12:56 +0100 (BST) Received: from violet.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id WAA26670; Thu, 24 Oct 1996 22:11:42 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <16263.199610241244@violet.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Received: from vega.kbw.co.uk by violet.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id NAA16263; Thu, 24 Oct 1996 13:44:46 +0100 (BST) Received: from rukbat.kbw.co.uk by vega.kbw.co.uk (NTMail Server - ntmail@net-shopper.co.uk) id aa010703 Thu, 24 Oct 96 13:47:45 --100 (BST) X-Sender: roger@mail X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: roger@kbw.co.uk (Roger Thomson) Subject: Re: A quick question Date: Thu, 24 Oct 96 13:47:44 --100 (BST) Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO >At the moment, there's a pretty good debate going on about tourny formats >here on BDisc. Why should we be moving it to Sly Hill's special forum? >Surely the point of Britdisc is to be a froum for debating British >Ultimate. > >Is Britdisc only to be a notice board (VERY DULL), or a forum for debate? >If this thread gets moved off of Britdisc, then surely fewer people are >going to be involved. Only by involving as many people as possible can we >develop Ultimate in the way that the majority wish. Has anyone thought about doing a multi-threaded discussion forum on a web page? This would answer the concerns voiced here and allow for unlimited conversation by interested parties on particular topics without disturbing everyone else. It would also archive all conversations so people could look there rather than saving mails. Do we know how many emailers have browsers and how many don't? If there are enough browsers out there then the discussion forum would be a good way to go, otherwise we obviously would not want to alienate a proportion of the ultimate community. Maybe we should consider the forums for 'official' debates at least as those involved are likely to be more technically literate? Anyway, food for thought, Roger SHOTGUN wearing my nethead hat rather than my hat of rage. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sun Oct 27 11:29:58 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA11080; Sun, 27 Oct 1996 11:29:22 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id RAA01614; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 17:47:25 +0100 (BST) Received: from bungle.ftel.co.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id RAA01581; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 17:46:32 +0100 (BST) Received: from bungle.ftel.co.uk (ss@localhost.ftel.co.uk [127.0.0.1]) by bungle.ftel.co.uk (8.8.0/8.8.0/senet-solaris.mc@Tue01Oct1996-14:41PM) with SMTP id RAA28685 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 17:46:23 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <3270EEDB.33FC@ftel.co.uk> Date: Fri, 25 Oct 1996 17:46:19 +0100 From: Steve Sheppard Organization: Fujitsu Telecommunications Europe Ltd X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (X11; I; SunOS 5.5 sun4m) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Re: Something (else) to stoke the fire References: <961025.134619@merchants.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO Patrick Winser wrote: > The lack of continuous practice is a factor whu teams like UTI, Stan, and > the Druids have trouble beating Shotgunn, one loss in two years by my reckoning. I agree, I'm sure if STAN had managed to have regular practices we wouldn't have spent so much time coming second to Shotgun/Hombres. > As I am on one of the teams that is spread out around the country I am > not in favour of splitting this team up but I would like to see the new > players staying with or forming new teams that could practice together. > > If the BUF did decide to enforce something like Aram susggests I would have > to say that it would have to be by a region smaller than the SW because we, > the Druids do happen to have a fairly strong group in the SW. I would > prefer it to be almost by city such as Southampton area, Bristol, Oxford > etc.. London obviously could have room for more than one team. In an ideal world this would be a good idea. Unfortunately Ultimate in this country is not, I believe, big enough to support the idea. Many of the STAN players only ever play Ultimate at tournaments. This is due not only to family commitments but the lack of a local team. We now have a small nucleus of players based around the Coventry/Birmingham area and have managed this year for the first time to arrange some practices (with the help of some Bears and some Leicester players). The introduction of the regional confinement idea would likely see an end to STAN, who have been around for over 10 years now, with the same player base. One of the main reasons people have joined and stayed with STAN is due to the spirit of the team on and off the pitch. Not just because we are one of the better teams in the country. There are not enough Birmingham/Coventry players (excluding the students) to form a full outdoor squad. We would need to poach players from Leicester or Oxford in order to keep going. I'm sure this will be true for many other areas (outside London!!!!!). Steve STAN -- Dr Steven J. Sheppard Fujitsu Telecom. Europe Ltd ** email: S.Sheppard@ftel.co.uk Birmingham Business Park ** phone: 0121 717 6503 Birmingham, B37 7YU ** fax : 0121 717 6014 From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sun Oct 27 11:30:04 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA11076; Sun, 27 Oct 1996 11:29:16 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id MAA23351; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 12:51:36 +0100 (BST) Received: from newsgate.dircon.co.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id MAA23328; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 12:50:30 +0100 (BST) Received: from dmotive.UUCP (dmotive@localhost) by newsgate.dircon.co.uk (8.6.12/8.6.9) with UUCP id MAA11550 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 12:33:23 +0100 Date: 25 Oct 96 12:28:18 +0000 From: Jonathan Schofield Subject: Into the fray... To: BritDisc Message-ID: <961025.122818@designmotive.co.uk> X-Mailer: InterCall 1.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO OK, Here's attempt number 4 to send this to BritDisc. Bear in mind that this mail is two days old. Further to the exchanges on qualification matters. Glad to see that David from Lurkers has noticed us grinning=20 whilst playing. But then in the past we've been criticised=20 for just that. Seems you just can't be right when you're=20 thrashing the opposition! Rob Kingsley implies that the less experienced/able teams'=20 only opportunity to get better is from the experience of=20 playing against the top teams. I'm flattered that people=20 like to see us play, but... Three observations here aimed=20 at those questioning the top teams' perspective. 1. At risk of being patronising (I'm sure it will be seen=20 that way anyway)... Yes, you can learn from this experience,=20 but you can't assimilate what the top teams are doing to=20 you whilst you are being blown away. It is much more likely=20 that you'll understand what is going on while watching=20 (not playing), and only then if accompanied by the insight=20 of someone who understands what is happening. You may think=20 that this applies less to the mid ranking teams, and more=20 to the lower ranking teams - but my experience of how=20 little is understood by even some players on the top teams=20 suggests otherwise.=20 2. The point that y'all seem to be missing from Nolan's=20 excellent incendiary is that the top teams want to get=20 better too, but can't because we are condemned to spend=20 three quarters of our weekends playing teams that we know=20 we are going to thrash. You seem quite happy to be selfish=20 enough to require us to do this, but won't allow a little=20 selfishness on our part. Remember that the boys on Shotgun=20 have had to put up with this situation for between four=20 to nine years! (What a luxury, you think, but it really=20 isn't much fun). 3. The polarisation of opinions on this issue is in part=20 because we're discussing it in isolation. Surely part of=20 the whole problem is that no coaching infrastructure of=20 any kind exists for players beyond those who want to be=20 a part of the GB squads. Solve this problem, as well as=20 the structure of competition in this country, and we might=20 actually start producing players who are mentally tough=20 enough to compete at higher levels. Jonathan Shotgun From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sun Oct 27 11:30:15 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA11053; Sun, 27 Oct 1996 11:28:53 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id TAA21625; Thu, 24 Oct 1996 19:57:40 +0100 (BST) Received: from violet.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id TAA21581; Thu, 24 Oct 1996 19:56:07 +0100 (BST) Received: from admin.warwick.ac.uk by violet.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id SAA05398; Thu, 24 Oct 1996 18:08:19 +0100 (BST) Received: from SIGMA/MERCURY by admin.warwick.ac.uk (Mercury 1.21); 24 Oct 96 18:06:57 +0000 Received: from MERCURY by SIGMA (Mercury 1.21); 24 Oct 96 18:06:25 +0000 From: "DEREK ROBINS" Organization: University of Warwick, CV4 7AL, UK To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 18:06:17 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Regionals/Qualifiers Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.1 (R1a) Message-ID: <75BE58E02EB@admin.warwick.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO Just a few thoughts to add to the pot and stir. 1. I like the idea of regional development and a regional championships provides a focus for that as well as allowing some teams an opportunity for minor glory. Taking out the top teams would screw that up. 2. Teams can change dramatically year to year so you should start from fresh and justify your place. STAN face nationals without the UTI boys for instance. If as Oz suggests the top 3 get byes would this be fair, how many players could we lose and still justify a bye? 3. In case you don't read the disc newsgroup there is a controversy raging in the states about regionals and the need to qualify. It is not about how it was a waste of time for a top team, it was about how the World Club Champions - Double Happiness failed to qualify. With hindsight we can say that regional results were predictable, but upsets can happen. 4. Shotgun are too damn good for the rest of us. They get the rewards in terms of titles and they have to accept that the downside is a lack of good opposition. Things would have been a lot more interesting for everybody if Hombres had not merged with Regulators to form Shotgun. Eleven years ago Jim Edwards, Sam Neilson and I enjoyed similar dominance with Tennants, but we decided to forego the glory and split off to form STAN. How about you Shotgun types demerging? Del PS We won't be seeing Harry Golby at our Nationals, now that he has qualified for the US Nationals with Rage. *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*- Derek Robins | | D.J.Robins@admin.warwick.ac.uk Management Accountant | | Tel 01203 523523 x2710 Finance Office | | Fax 01203 524573 University of Warwick | | Room 343 Coventry CV4 7AL | | Senate House *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*- From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sun Oct 27 11:30:54 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA11113; Sun, 27 Oct 1996 11:30:23 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id PAA12637; Thu, 24 Oct 1996 15:47:46 +0100 (BST) Received: from newsgate.dircon.co.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id PAA12598; Thu, 24 Oct 1996 15:46:19 +0100 (BST) Received: from dmotive.UUCP (dmotive@localhost) by newsgate.dircon.co.uk (8.6.12/8.6.9) with UUCP id PAA19822 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Thu, 24 Oct 1996 15:00:17 +0100 Date: 24 Oct 96 14:55:36 +0000 From: Jonathan Schofield Subject: Into the fray... To: BritDisc Message-ID: <961024.145536@designmotive.co.uk> X-Mailer: InterCall 1.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO OK, Here's attempt number 3 to send this to BritDisc. Can't quite figure out whether I'm being discriminated=20 against as a Mac user or as a Shotgun player! Further to yesterday's exchanges on qualification matters. Glad to see that David from Lurkers has noticed us grinning=20 whilst playing. But then in the past we've been criticised=20 for just that. Seems you just can't be right when you're=20 thrashing the opposition! Rob Kingsley implies that the less experienced/able teams'=20 only opportunity to get better is from the experience of=20 playing against the top teams. I'm flattered that people=20 like to see us play, but... Three observations here aimed=20 at those questioning the top teams' perspective. 1. At risk of being patronising (I'm sure it will be seen=20 that way anyway)... Yes, you can learn from this experience,=20 but you can't assimilate what the top teams are doing to=20 you whilst you are being blown away. It is much more likely=20 that you'll understand what is going on while watching=20 (not playing), and only then if accompanied by the insight=20 of someone who understands what is happening. You may think=20 that this applies less to the mid ranking teams, and more=20 to the lower ranking teams - but my experience of how=20 little is understood by even some players on the top teams=20 suggests otherwise.=20 2. The point that y'all seem to be missing from Nolan's=20 excellent incendiary is that the top teams want to get=20 better too, but can't because we are condemned to spend=20 three quarters of our weekends playing teams that we know=20 we are going to thrash. You seem quite happy to be selfish=20 enough to require us to do this, but won't allow a little=20 selfishness on our part. Remember that the boys on Shotgun=20 have had to put up with this situation for between four=20 to nine years! (What a luxury, you think, but it really=20 isn't much fun). 3. The polarisation of opinions on this issue is in part=20 because we're discussing it in isolation. Surely part of=20 the whole problem is that no coaching infrastructure of=20 any kind exists for players beyond those who want to be=20 a part of the GB squads. Solve this problem, as well as=20 the structure of competition in this country, and we might=20 actually start producing players who are mentally tough=20 enough to compete at higher levels. Jonathan Shotgun From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sun Oct 27 11:38:43 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA11311; Sun, 27 Oct 1996 11:38:04 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id LAA21516; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 11:58:30 +0100 (BST) Received: from lehman.Lehman.COM by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id LAA21502; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 11:57:32 +0100 (BST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by lehman.Lehman.COM (8.6.12/8.6.12) id GAA01388 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 06:57:12 -0400 Received: from relay.mail.lehman.com(192.9.140.112) by lehman via smap (V1.3) id tmp001384; Fri Oct 25 06:57:11 1996 Received: from londonvnm1.lehman.com by relay.lehman.com (4.1/LB-0.6) id AA22812; Fri, 25 Oct 96 06:57:09 EDT Received: from london123.lehman.com by londonvnm1.lehman.com (4.1/Lehman Bros. V1.6) id AA21845; Fri, 25 Oct 96 11:56:36 BST Date: Fri, 25 Oct 96 11:56:36 BST From: aflores@lehman.com (Aram Flores) Message-Id: <9610251056.AA21845@londonvnm1.lehman.com> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Something (else) to stoke the fire... Cc: aflores@lehman.com Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hi all (tradional BD greeting it appears) Andy Cotgreave has posted somthing related to my personal pet peave with the way British Ultimate is organised - the predominance of non-geographic teams. > In Britain, what is done to > develop the highest level of British ultimate? > I strongly feel that the biggest factor in Shotgun's longevity at the top of British Ultimate is the fact that most of us live near each other and therefore we are able to practice (train). I believe that as long as our opposition are groups of ex-college friends (who might or might not be great individual players) that get together at tournaments or occasional weekend sessions, we will continue to dominate (not that I mind this part all that much). If you look around at other countries (or indeed other sports) most teams are comprised of players that live near each other and therefore practice together. It provides all sorts of advantages that just being good mates doesn't even begin to make up for, such as; fitness, plays, different offences and defenses etc.. I feel that if British Ultimate is ever going to challenge the rest of the world, it will have to break this peculiar structure. My suggestion is that we limit the number of players on a team that live outside the region for National competitions. This is not a new concept, it was used briefly in the US (showing my age here). The aim of this restriction in the states was to prevent teams from "choosing" the region where they had the best chance of qualifying. It will clearly take a while for teams to restructure so in the short run it would only be fair if teams were able to field two or three players from outside their region. I feel that having several "big" regional (eventually many) teams practicing regularly will be a tremendous boost to British Ultimate. I also feel that this will not necessarily have a negative impact on "lesser" teams, which hopefully will be inspired to practice as well (actually I think many of the "lesser" teams practice more than the "big" teams). We (shotgun) encourage people to come to our training sessions even if they have little chance of ever playing with us, or simply don't want to. I feel a bit odd making suggestions that might eventually lead to our downfall, but I would enjoy playing more competitive games. Aram PS: I don't really care who lines up across from me, bring `em all on. PPS: Del, I don't think that fragmenting the "big" teams is the right way forward for British Ultimate. If we don't recruit young raw talent (such as the regulators who were the typical non-geo team I dislike) how else do older, experienced players pass on the "knowledge"? From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sun Oct 27 11:38:46 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA11313; Sun, 27 Oct 1996 11:38:06 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id TAA19452; Thu, 24 Oct 1996 19:02:58 +0100 (BST) Received: from safety.worldcom.com by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id TAA19423; Thu, 24 Oct 1996 19:01:08 +0100 (BST) Received: (from smtp@localhost) by safety.worldcom.com (8.7.1/8.6.9) id MAA10643 for ; Thu, 24 Oct 1996 12:53:50 -0500 (CDT) Received: from worldcom-57.worldcom.com(198.64.193.208) by safety.worldcom.com via smap (V1.3) id sma010517; Thu Oct 24 12:53:19 1996 Received: by worldcom-57.worldcom.com (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 1.3.14/3.3) id AA8928; Thu, 24 Oct 96 12:51:54 -0500 Message-Id: <9610241751.AA8928@worldcom-57.worldcom.com> Received: from WorldCom with "Lotus Notes Mail Gateway for SMTP" id C9EE4B89BD5A1170862563CD0062111E; Thu, 24 Oct 96 12:51:54 To: BRITDISC From: Ian Stebbing Date: 24 Oct 96 18:28:03 Subject: Qualifying, Formats etc. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO **************************************** This document should only be read by those persons to whom it is addressed and is not intended to be relied upon by any person without subsequent written confirmation of its contents. Accordingly, Coopers & Lybrand disclaim all responsibility and accept no liability (including in negligence) for the consequences for any person acting, or refraining from acting, on such information prior to the receipt by those persons of subsequent written confirmation. If you have received this E-mail message in error, please notify us immediately by telephone. Please also destroy and delete the message from your computer. Any form of reproduction, dissemination, copying, disclosure, modification, distribution and/or publication of this E-mail message is strictly prohibited. **************************************** This debate seems to be raging again about whether the top teams should have to compete at regional qualifiers. As a member of one of the so called elite teams I personally feel that we should qualify. The benefit is two fold 1) Those teams who will qualify anyway can take a more relaxed attitude, everyone can see what standard they need to reach and can learn from those teams. 2) If a teams standard drops or picks up rapidly (i.e. UTI reaching the level they have in under a year who would certainly not have pre-qualified on previous results because they didn't exist to have them or STAN who failed to qualify for the National Indoor Finals 1 year having had a top 4 finish the year before) they will still be placed in the correct overall position in the most important tournament of the year. If the top teams do not wish to play many one-sided games they can organise top teams tournaments or go abroad to play in higher average level tournaments the rest of the year. This was a criticism aimed at Hombres/Shotgun some time ago because they turned up to very few British tournaments one year. On reflection it must have been very boring for them never to get competition at home and why should they "waste" their time on something they were not going to enjoy. It was up to the rest of British Ultimate to try and raise itself to give them a game. As for tournament formats and game lengths these will forever be a problem. For the top teams who wish to compete outside the UK, playing short games (1 hour or 13 points) damages their ability to play in the larger European or World tournaments where formats require large squads playing games to 21 or 2 hours+. Short games can also often lead to dissatisfying and premature conclusions to highly competitive games. Alternatively if you are winning or losing a game 13-0 there is probably little point continuing to 21-0. Games which are expected to be tight or where the result is of great importance (i.e. the Headrush vs Monks semi-final) should be of an appropriate length. This year at National Finals I think we will achieve this. Given that it is the qualifiers for World Clubs, playing games of a similar length to those at World Clubs is the most appropriate method of selecting the teams. Ian Stebbing Druids. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sun Oct 27 11:39:07 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA11315; Sun, 27 Oct 1996 11:38:14 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id PAA27782; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 15:34:27 +0100 (BST) Received: from bowden.uces.bangor.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id PAA27712; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 15:32:39 +0100 (BST) Received: from jeffpc.uces.bangor.ac.uk ([147.143.15.108]) by bowden.uces.bangor.ac.uk; Fri, 25 Oct 96 15:29:39 BST Date: Fri, 25 Oct 1996 15:24:12 BST From: Jeff Jackson Reply-To: jfj@uces.bangor.ac.uk Subject: Re: Into the fray... To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Message-Id: Priority: Normal Delivery-Receipt-To: Jeff Jackson Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO It's been nice to see some serious, informed debate on BritDisc recently - makes a pleasant change from the rubbish that seems to prevail in most parts of the internet. I'd like to pick up on a few points from Jon's recent message: > Glad to see that David from Lurkers has noticed us grinning > whilst playing. But then in the past we've been criticised > for just that. Seems you just can't be right when you're > thrashing the opposition! Having played for teams at both ends of the ability spectrum, I've encountered this problem from both sides. Going into a game knowing your opposition can't really hope to win does make it awkward to know how to approach the game. In the past the Druids have been criticised both for being 'soft' on the opposition, and for crushing them too hard. However, my experiences with the Skunks (who, when I played for them were on the end of some pretty severe drubbings!) leads me to agree with earlier contributors, who have said that they prefer the 'big' team to play hard. That way, anything that the weaker team achieves has been well and truly earned. Of course, playing hard doesn't mean the smiles have to go! Striking the right balance is not easy. Back to Jon again: > ... we are condemned to spend three quarters of our weekends > playing teams that we know we are going to thrash ... > ... Remember that the boys on Shotgun have had to put up with > this situation for between four to nine years! (What a luxury, > you think, but it really isn't much fun). Now I wouldn't want to seem unsypmathetic or anything (who, me!?), but it seems to me that the problem Shotgun face is partly of their own making. (I apologise if my memory of events isn't quite right.) Back when Shotgun were formed, Hombres had been the top team for several years, but were starting to lose older players to family commitments etc. Regulators were just starting on the scene, and looked to have the talent to make it to the top under their own steam. The merger between these two top teams created a 'super' team that has very rarely been in danger of losing since. I accept that much of Shotgun's success is the result of hard work and regular training, but I think the lack of competition is partly self- inflicted. (Recall Del's comment earlier this week about the Stan/Tennents demerger.) > Surely part of the whole problem is that no coaching > infrastructure of any kind exists for players beyond > those who want to be a part of the GB squads. Solve > this problem, as well as the structure of competition > in this country, and we might actually start producing > players who are mentally tough enough to compete at > higher levels. Absolutely true. But I think that the size of the sport in this country means that an organised coaching structure is still some way off. The way forward must surely lie in the geographically- centred teams advocated by both Aram and Scott. Regular local training sessions with more experienced players must surely be the best form of coaching currently available. Unfortunately Ultimate players are often the kind of people who move around the country alot, making stable geographical teams harder to maintain. Having agreed with the logic of locally-based teams I guess I should quit my job forthwith and move to Leicester or London and practice what I preach. Ain't logic a wonderful thing?!? It's a little easier said than done, though :-) 'Telephone' teams may not be the best way of advancing the sport as a whole, but they do serve a purpose for the players concerned. Besides, how many people out there can place their hand on their heart and claim that everything they do is for the good of the sport as a whole? Enough rambling for now, Jeff. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sun Oct 27 11:39:30 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA11338; Sun, 27 Oct 1996 11:38:43 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id WAA09872; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 22:47:57 +0100 (BST) Received: from violet.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id WAA09862; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 22:46:53 +0100 (BST) From: lrsussex@pavilion.co.uk Received: from deputy.pavilion.co.uk by violet.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id KAA14675; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 10:54:37 +0100 (BST) Received: from dialup2-58.pavilion.co.uk (dialup2-58.pavilion.co.uk [194.242.131.186]) by deputy.pavilion.co.uk (8.7/8.7) with SMTP id KAA23600 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 10:53:54 +0100 (BST) Date: Fri, 25 Oct 1996 10:53:54 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199610250953.KAA23600@deputy.pavilion.co.uk> X-Sender: lrsussex@mailhost.pavilion.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: R Kingsley X-Mailer: Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO R. Kingsley wrote: "This is a personal view point but I'm sure I won't be alone. Dora Kemp has already indicated that she (and her team) enjoy playing against Shitgun and this is a view point I wish to echo (although it would be nice if they smiled once or twice while they give other teams a sound thrashing). The only way that 'lesser' teams will improve is by playing against and watching other more experienced teams." I replied PS - Maybe it is time to start screening members of Britdisc to keep out complete wan*ers like R Kingsley? - what do you think Si - I know a few others will agree with me. R. Kingsley replied What the fuck are you on? The views which I wrote to BD have on the whole been echoed by other poeple and some poeple have written back to me supporting what I have said - not that what I have said is particularly controversial! The comment I made about smiling or not was not levelled at Shotgun at all, indeed I have never had a problem playing against you guys and we are in different regions afterall! I will apologise for the reference to Shitgun though. So what is the big problem? Your 'P.S.' remark is totally out of order -explain! So now I reply Your smiling comment was quite obviously aimed at Shotgun as seen from you actual comment above and it is not the first time that you have insulted our team and me personally - i.e. cannot play indoors because too lanky. This is the second time you have been slated openly on E-mail - by P Korsten before I think? Are you beginning to take the hint. --------------------------------------------- L&R Consulting lrsussex@pavilion.co.uk Tel: 01444 459449 Fax: 01444 458911 --------------------------------------------- From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sun Oct 27 11:56:14 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA11951; Sun, 27 Oct 1996 11:54:18 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id KAA19263; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 10:53:01 +0100 (BST) Received: from amsta.leeds.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id KAA19229; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 10:51:27 +0100 (BST) Received: from fermat.leeds.amsta ([129.11.36.71]) by amsta.leeds.ac.uk (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA08505 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 10:52:50 +0100 Received: by fermat.leeds.amsta (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA08338; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 10:51:20 +0100 Date: Fri, 25 Oct 1996 10:51:20 +0100 From: amtsjh@amsta.leeds.ac.uk (S J Hill) Message-Id: <199610250951.KAA08338@fermat.leeds.amsta> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: keeping quiet!... er not. X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hi I am trying to keep my chat to a minimum but here is an update: 1. People are still emailing me and Scott that they want to be involved in the discussion about tourney formats/ guidleines. Thats excellent. The more the merrier! In answer to Andy Cotgreave's point: the reason for taking the discussion off BritDisc is so as to leave BritDisc not overlaided with mail so that anyone who is REASONABLY busy out there in real life (er whats that?) can still use it for info etc... (did that make sense? - I'm trying - but am a little over-excited about tomorrow...) 2. We will get this going next week - I'll try to start with a summary so far. I will also try to send some sort of summary of what's being said to BritDisc every now and then. 3. Ultimatum is (I believe) delayed. So next week I will post to BritDisc a FULL description of "the Tour idea" - so that everyone can discuss it and related topics with as many of the facts as poss at their fingertips. The point is that it is a SUGGESTION and will be muchly improved by being discussed by all. Of course BritDisc doesn't actually mean all - so I will also take up Jon Schofield's suggestion of getting all these ideas out to all the clubs on paper giving everyone the opportunity to speak. Again here I'm talking about all these related issues: tourney formats/Tour/Regionals/"big-guns qualify or not"/etc.../date of Nationals.... 4. My only contribution to the general conversation today will be this: (which is a point Jon Schofield made to me - but not I think to BD). People say they learn and enjoy the games against the "big teams". Enjoyment I do not find hard to believe - but learning? - I'm not so sure. Surely there are more efficient and constructive ways in which the top teams esp. Shotgun can impart information about how to play this game. Our team was fortunate enough to have three people training with the GB squad during the winter. A lot of what we learnt there was passed straight onto our whole team. Would there be interest in Open Training Sessions run by people "with the knowledge"? Sort of thing where 3 or 4 reps. from a club come along - have a trainging/coaching session, etc. I suspect that people like Jon (sorry to keep coming back to you Jon!) would be only too pleased to get involved in something like this. There are some things that would need working out - but its a thought. On the enjoyment front: I don't doubt for an instant the importance of games like Jesters v Catch and Hurricane v Shotgun (to take 2 examples from regionals) in the grand scheme of ultimate things. And we have heard a lot about how the "weaker" team in these games are getting a lot of enjoyment from the game. BUT a) has anyone stopped to wonder if Shotgun are enjoying these games? Or don't they get that luxury? b) They (sorry Shotgun - just using you as an example - this obviously applies to at least 3 or 4 teams) - are "asked" (told more like) to play 2 or 3 games like this AT EVERY TOURNAMENT ALL YEAR. I'm just asking that people try to see this from the other side of the fence for a moment. I repeat - these games SHOULD AND MUST be played - but perhaps just not quite so frequently. Thats it. I promise not to send anything else today. Best of luck to everyone tomorrow - I'll see you there. Si From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sun Oct 27 22:02:07 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id WAA02769; Sun, 27 Oct 1996 22:01:35 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id VAA25571; Sun, 27 Oct 1996 21:59:41 GMT Received: from newsgate.dircon.co.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id VAA25565; Sun, 27 Oct 1996 21:59:32 GMT Received: from dmotive.UUCP (dmotive@localhost) by newsgate.dircon.co.uk (8.6.12/8.6.9) with UUCP id VAA05143 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Sun, 27 Oct 1996 21:57:56 GMT Date: 27 Oct 96 22:55:14 +0000 From: Oz Freire Subject: Future! To: britdisc Message-ID: <961027.225514@designmotive.co.uk> X-Mailer: InterCall 1.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO Future! 27/10/= 96 The Future is bright the future is Orange Oz ShotGun From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sun Oct 27 23:37:24 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id XAA06965; Sun, 27 Oct 1996 23:36:58 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id XAA28110; Sun, 27 Oct 1996 23:34:57 GMT Received: from hil-img-5.compuserve.com by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id XAA28104; Sun, 27 Oct 1996 23:34:45 GMT Received: by hil-img-5.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id SAA09777; Sun, 27 Oct 1996 18:33:59 -0500 Date: 27 Oct 96 18:31:21 EST From: Jim McDonnell <100422.1474@compuserve.com> To: Britdisc , Laura Subject: Charity Tourney Message-ID: <961027233120_100422.1474_JHU86-1@CompuServe.COM> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO Attention Britdiscers - this is a brief introduction/invitation to a charity 24 hour tournament to be held on December 7th/8th (12 noon to 12 noon), in aid of Great Ormond Street Children's Hospital. The venue is the Mayflower sports centre near the Barbican Centre, in the centre of Merrie Olde London Towne. The tournament format is going to be something along the lines of 16 teams, each playing 15 twelve minute games over the course of the 24 hours. Sponsorship will be based on total hours played/points scored/players left alive at the end of the 24 hour period; something like that, anyway. Entry 'fee' is L200 worth of sponsorship (or much more, preferably); if you assume 10 players per team, then that's only L20 each, kids. A bargain, I'm sure you'll agree. There'll be some kind of trophy for the team raising the most sponsorship, and sundry other stuff like that. We're hoping to use the GOSH media machine to attract as much media interest as possible (maybe even a celebrity or 2?), so apart from the splendid cause, it's another chance to raise the profile of the sport. Obviously you're going to want to catch a few minute's sleep during the games (not when you're supposed to be playing, natch), and there's space in the hall itself as well as another room on site. So sleeping bags etc. will be the order of the day, and if it's privacy you're after, then make sure you drive a comfortable car. This Britdisc invite is going out earlier than snail mail invites, and we are strictly limited to 16 teams, so let us know ASAP if you're seriously interested, and we'll rush you your sponsor forms (when we get them from GOSH). Remember, we're trying to shamelessly capitalize on the Christmas spirit which we assume Joe and Jane Public will have in bucketloads, so get out there and fleece them of their hard earned cash! Replies to Me and Charlie on 100422.1474@compuserve.com, or phone 0181 444 8695. Ho ho ho. Cheers - Jim & Charlie (We're Village and we know we are) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Oct 28 07:49:43 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id HAA18889; Mon, 28 Oct 1996 07:49:25 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id HAA09241; Mon, 28 Oct 1996 07:48:17 GMT Received: from crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id HAA09236; Mon, 28 Oct 1996 07:48:10 GMT Date: Mon, 28 Oct 1996 07:48:07 GMT From: Mr R C Doswell Message-Id: <18562.199610280748@crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Received: by crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk id HAA18562; Mon, 28 Oct 1996 07:48:07 GMT To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: (UK) BUF Events Reminder Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO British Ultimate Federation Disc Events Diary --------------------------------------------- November 1996 ------------- Saturday 9 November 1996 BDGA Singles Matchplay World Championships (top 16 only) (2 days) (Non-Ultimate) @ Quarry Park Mythago Beginners Tourny (2 days) @ Bristol Saturday 16 November 1996 Edinburgh Beginners Tournament (2 days) @ Edinburgh, UK Indoor tourny (2 days) @ Priory school, Hitchen. Saturday 23 November 1996 Wolves Old Boys and Girls Tourny (2 days) Saturday 30 November 1996 SFA Indoor tourny (2 days) @ Farnborough, Hants Student Indoor Regionals (2 days) TBC December 1996 ------------- Saturday 7 December 1996 Stanmer Park Disc Golf Tournament (2 days) (Non-Ultimate) @ Stanmer Park Saturday 14 December 1996 Southampton Indoors (2 days) @ Southampton February 1997 ------------- Saturday 8 February 1997 Newport Indoors (2 days) @ Newport Saturday 22 February 1997 BUF Student Indoor Finals (2 days) @ Leeds (TBC) March 1997 ---------- Saturday 1 March 1997 National Indoor Regionals (2 days) Saturday 8 March 1997 Warwick Indoors (2 days) @ Coventry Saturday 22 March 1997 National Indoor Finals (2 days) April 1997 ---------- Saturday 26 April 1997 Student Outdoors (2 days) TBC August 1997 ----------- Saturday 23 August 1997 1997 BDGA Championships (2 days) (Non-Ultimate) TBC --------------------------------------------------------------- British Ultimate Federation Disc Events Diary http://www.csv.warwick.ac.uk:5201/cgi-bin/diary Ranulf Doswell, ralf@dcs.warwick.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Oct 29 04:45:37 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id KAA25554; Mon, 28 Oct 1996 10:34:33 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id KAA17107; Mon, 28 Oct 1996 10:28:57 GMT Received: from vulcan by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id KAA16736; Mon, 28 Oct 1996 10:24:26 GMT Received: from hawk.le.ac.uk by vulcan with SMTP (PP); Mon, 28 Oct 1996 10:21:40 +0000 Date: Mon, 28 Oct 1996 10:21:03 +0000 (GMT) From: Scott X-Sender: iws1@hawk To: britdisc Subject: Re: Coaching material? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO BDers > The UPA produce a "Ultimate teaching package"; which includes a > video (not much good here I suppose), "teaching kids", > new skills and drills manual etc... Jonathan Hope the BUF publicity officer is collecting, or already has these sorts of materials. > Does anybody have any of this information - is it useful?? Are there > other sources of information like this (other than in your head)? Martin Fredrickson (Denmark) produced two video's at the Europeans in France - one aimed at schools and one for clubs, Toby may have some information on this soon. The BUF has a *complete* starter level booklet called Basics which is growing when ever I get the chance to write any more. Bits from this have and will be printed in Ultimatum over the next year or so and hopefully it will eventually become a book - contributors would be welcomed! (talk to me or Kevin Lowe for copies of this) There was once a book (which some of you may remember) writen by some sixties tight shorted superstars - with names like Wazer "the Doc" Sidearm - I don't know if this is still in print tho' (anybody know?). I'm not sure any of this really helps, but it does point to a gap in the market! Scott /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ SCOTT: Ian Scotland Tel: 0116 2525824 Fax: 0116 2523154 E-mail: iws1@le.ac.uk http://wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk/buf/ /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Oct 29 17:53:27 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id RAA11351; Tue, 29 Oct 1996 17:49:22 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id RAA17863; Tue, 29 Oct 1996 17:36:57 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id RAA17820; Tue, 29 Oct 1996 17:35:54 GMT Date: Tue, 29 Oct 1996 17:35:49 GMT Received: from [137.205.222.1] by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id RAA04550; Tue, 29 Oct 1996 17:35:49 GMT X-Sender: serai@mail.csv.warwick.ac.uk Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: D.P.Neilson@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Dave Neilson) Subject: Re: Into the fray... Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO I am excited and interested in the discussions about geo / non-geo teams (or telephone teams as we used to call them) and feel compelled to add my thoughts to the debate. While I agree with Aram's observation about geo teams being the best way to develop and foster team strength through regular practice, I find it impossible to agree with the effective 'outlawing' of the non-geo team. By all means encourage geo teams by explaining the clear benefits in terms of training, but do not try to prevent teams who use Ultimate as the vehicle which affords them the means to keep in touch with ex-college friends. I am acquainted with the USA phenomenon of Ultimate 'whore' teams, but that is not the situation here in Britain. The non-geo teams are hardly ever formed specifically to win an event (which I know happens in the states). The non-geo teams are more closely related to the alumni teams which will eventually form the basis of a Masters division. If, as Aram has stated, the real path to quality is to form geo teams (with appropriate coaching input) - and I do not doubt this - then the non-geo teams should soon be pushed down the quality table in the natural course of things. Switching the subject to the merge / de-merge debate I (not surprisingly, perhaps) support Derek's remark about the swallowing up of Regulators by the shrinking Hombres squad. I think that the 'geo argument' of Aram's is all too convenient an excuse to explain one of (if not THE) most blatant examples of 'super-team' formation. I do not wish to sound bitter, but my impression of the 'merger' was that it put paid to the most exciting new development in British Ultimate for years. While I am not saying that de-merger is the best form of growth, I feel that it might have been in the sport's best interests (AND in keeping with the geo idea), if Shotgun had split into two teams several years ago and recruited new local players. This sort of de-merger seems to have happened many times in the competitive centres of Ultimate in the USA (am I right, Aram?). Just some thoughts ... Sam Neilson Stan (11 year old non-geo team) & Suntans (10 year old INTERNATIONAL non-geo team) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Oct 30 07:04:47 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id HAA11072; Wed, 30 Oct 1996 07:04:27 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id KAA15134; Mon, 28 Oct 1996 10:00:25 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id KAA15122; Mon, 28 Oct 1996 10:00:12 GMT Date: Mon, 28 Oct 1996 10:00:10 GMT Received: from [137.205.222.1] by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id KAA16655; Mon, 28 Oct 1996 10:00:10 GMT X-Sender: serai@mail.csv.warwick.ac.uk Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: Andy Hughes <100144.113@compuserve.com> (by way of D.P.Neilson@warwick.ac.uk (Dave Neilson)) Subject: Old Rejects Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO Yo folks! A date for your diaries here folks - this year's celebration of 17 years of Ultimate in Wolverhampton - Saturday 23 November. We will of course be celebrating in some sort of style, and there is a threat of a new freshers team turning out to play us this year. The gym is booked on Saturday from 2.00-4.00 and if we're not too hungover from a Friday night in the Newhampton, there is even the threat of turning up in the park for a noon showdown outdoors. In those immortal words "BE THERE! (or be somewhere else . . .)" Andy PS As usual, anyone who's ever turned out for the Rejects is most welcome - and also as usual there is great faith placed in the infamous grapevine. If you've got any old contact numbers for people you haven't seen for years then now's the time to use them, or pass them on for me to use! From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Oct 30 07:04:50 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id HAA11078; Wed, 30 Oct 1996 07:04:31 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id KAA18528; Mon, 28 Oct 1996 10:51:44 GMT From: root@central.susx.ac.uk Received: from maila.uscs.susx.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id KAA18243; Mon, 28 Oct 1996 10:45:38 GMT Received: by maila.uscs.susx.ac.uk (Smail3.1.29.1 #2) id m0vHpAw-000XDea; Mon, 28 Oct 96 10:44 GMT Message-Id: Date: Mon, 28 Oct 96 10:44 GMT To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: keeping quiet!... er not. X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hi I am trying to keep my chat to a minimum but here is an update: 1. People are still emailing me and Scott that they want to be involved in the discussion about tourney formats/ guidleines. Thats excellent. The more the merrier! In answer to Andy Cotgreave's point: the reason for taking the discussion off BritDisc is so as to leave BritDisc not overlaided with mail so that anyone who is REASONABLY busy out there in real life (er whats that?) can still use it for info etc... (did that make sense? - I'm trying - but am a little over-excited about tomorrow...) 2. We will get this going next week - I'll try to start with a summary so far. I will also try to send some sort of summary of what's being said to BritDisc every now and then. 3. Ultimatum is (I believe) delayed. So next week I will post to BritDisc a FULL description of "the Tour idea" - so that everyone can discuss it and related topics with as many of the facts as poss at their fingertips. The point is that it is a SUGGESTION and will be muchly improved by being discussed by all. Of course BritDisc doesn't actually mean all - so I will also take up Jon Schofield's suggestion of getting all these ideas out to all the clubs on paper giving everyone the opportunity to speak. Again here I'm talking about all these related issues: tourney formats/Tour/Regionals/"big-guns qualify or not"/etc.../date of Nationals.... 4. My only contribution to the general conversation today will be this: (which is a point Jon Schofield made to me - but not I think to BD). People say they learn and enjoy the games against the "big teams". Enjoyment I do not find hard to believe - but learning? - I'm not so sure. Surely there are more efficient and constructive ways in which the top teams esp. Shotgun can impart information about how to play this game. Our team was fortunate enough to have three people training with the GB squad during the winter. A lot of what we learnt there was passed straight onto our whole team. Would there be interest in Open Training Sessions run by people "with the knowledge"? Sort of thing where 3 or 4 reps. from a club come along - have a trainging/coaching session, etc. I suspect that people like Jon (sorry to keep coming back to you Jon!) would be only too pleased to get involved in something like this. There are some things that would need working out - but its a thought. On the enjoyment front: I don't doubt for an instant the importance of games like Jesters v Catch and Hurricane v Shotgun (to take 2 examples from regionals) in the grand scheme of ultimate things. And we have heard a lot about how the "weaker" team in these games are getting a lot of enjoyment from the game. BUT a) has anyone stopped to wonder if Shotgun are enjoying these games? Or don't they get that luxury? b) They (sorry Shotgun - just using you as an example - this obviously applies to at least 3 or 4 teams) - are "asked" (told more like) to play 2 or 3 games like this AT EVERY TOURNAMENT ALL YEAR. I'm just asking that people try to see this from the other side of the fence for a moment. I repeat - these games SHOULD AND MUST be played - but perhaps just not quite so frequently. Thats it. I promise not to send anything else today. Best of luck to everyone tomorrow - I'll see you there. Si From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Oct 30 07:05:00 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id HAA11074; Wed, 30 Oct 1996 07:04:28 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id KAA18531; Mon, 28 Oct 1996 10:51:45 GMT Received: from maila.uscs.susx.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id KAA18232; Mon, 28 Oct 1996 10:45:17 GMT Received: by maila.uscs.susx.ac.uk (Smail3.1.29.1 #2) id m0vHpAb-000XEXa; Mon, 28 Oct 96 10:43 GMT Message-Id: Received: from vega.kbw.co.uk by violet.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id NAA16263; Thu, 24 Oct 1996 13:44:46 +0100 (BST) Received: from rukbat.kbw.co.uk by vega.kbw.co.uk (NTMail Server - ntmail@net-shopper.co.uk) id aa010703 Thu, 24 Oct 96 13:47:45 --100 (BST) X-Sender: roger@mail X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: roger@kbw.co.uk (Roger Thomson) Subject: Re: A quick question Date: Thu, 24 Oct 96 13:47:44 --100 (BST) Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO >At the moment, there's a pretty good debate going on about tourny formats >here on BDisc. Why should we be moving it to Sly Hill's special forum? >Surely the point of Britdisc is to be a froum for debating British >Ultimate. > >Is Britdisc only to be a notice board (VERY DULL), or a forum for debate? >If this thread gets moved off of Britdisc, then surely fewer people are >going to be involved. Only by involving as many people as possible can we >develop Ultimate in the way that the majority wish. Has anyone thought about doing a multi-threaded discussion forum on a web page? This would answer the concerns voiced here and allow for unlimited conversation by interested parties on particular topics without disturbing everyone else. It would also archive all conversations so people could look there rather than saving mails. Do we know how many emailers have browsers and how many don't? If there are enough browsers out there then the discussion forum would be a good way to go, otherwise we obviously would not want to alienate a proportion of the ultimate community. Maybe we should consider the forums for 'official' debates at least as those involved are likely to be more technically literate? Anyway, food for thought, Roger SHOTGUN wearing my nethead hat rather than my hat of rage. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Oct 30 07:05:02 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id HAA11092; Wed, 30 Oct 1996 07:04:39 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id LAA23707; Mon, 28 Oct 1996 11:55:39 GMT Received: from maila.uscs.susx.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id LAA23656; Mon, 28 Oct 1996 11:54:12 GMT Received: by maila.uscs.susx.ac.uk (Smail3.1.29.1 #2) id m0vHqFI-000XFCa; Mon, 28 Oct 96 11:52 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id PAA12637; Thu, 24 Oct 1996 15:47:46 +0100 (BST) Received: from newsgate.dircon.co.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id PAA12598; Thu, 24 Oct 1996 15:46:19 +0100 (BST) Received: from dmotive.UUCP (dmotive@localhost) by newsgate.dircon.co.uk (8.6.12/8.6.9) with UUCP id PAA19822 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Thu, 24 Oct 1996 15:00:17 +0100 Date: 24 Oct 96 14:55:36 +0000 From: Jonathan Schofield Subject: Into the fray... To: BritDisc Message-ID: <961024.145536@designmotive.co.uk> X-Mailer: InterCall 1.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO OK, Here's attempt number 3 to send this to BritDisc. Can't quite figure out whether I'm being discriminated=20 against as a Mac user or as a Shotgun player! Further to yesterday's exchanges on qualification matters. Glad to see that David from Lurkers has noticed us grinning=20 whilst playing. But then in the past we've been criticised=20 for just that. Seems you just can't be right when you're=20 thrashing the opposition! Rob Kingsley implies that the less experienced/able teams'=20 only opportunity to get better is from the experience of=20 playing against the top teams. I'm flattered that people=20 like to see us play, but... Three observations here aimed=20 at those questioning the top teams' perspective. 1. At risk of being patronising (I'm sure it will be seen=20 that way anyway)... Yes, you can learn from this experience,=20 but you can't assimilate what the top teams are doing to=20 you whilst you are being blown away. It is much more likely=20 that you'll understand what is going on while watching=20 (not playing), and only then if accompanied by the insight=20 of someone who understands what is happening. You may think=20 that this applies less to the mid ranking teams, and more=20 to the lower ranking teams - but my experience of how=20 little is understood by even some players on the top teams=20 suggests otherwise.=20 2. The point that y'all seem to be missing from Nolan's=20 excellent incendiary is that the top teams want to get=20 better too, but can't because we are condemned to spend=20 three quarters of our weekends playing teams that we know=20 we are going to thrash. You seem quite happy to be selfish=20 enough to require us to do this, but won't allow a little=20 selfishness on our part. Remember that the boys on Shotgun=20 have had to put up with this situation for between four=20 to nine years! (What a luxury, you think, but it really=20 isn't much fun). 3. The polarisation of opinions on this issue is in part=20 because we're discussing it in isolation. Surely part of=20 the whole problem is that no coaching infrastructure of=20 any kind exists for players beyond those who want to be=20 a part of the GB squads. Solve this problem, as well as=20 the structure of competition in this country, and we might=20 actually start producing players who are mentally tough=20 enough to compete at higher levels. Jonathan Shotgun From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Oct 30 07:05:06 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id HAA11101; Wed, 30 Oct 1996 07:04:43 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id MAA25315; Mon, 28 Oct 1996 12:18:18 GMT Received: from wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id MAA25283; Mon, 28 Oct 1996 12:17:32 GMT Received: by wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk (UK-Smail 3.1.25.1/15) id ; Mon, 28 Oct 96 12:17 GMT Message-Id: Date: Mon, 28 Oct 96 12:17 GMT From: mackay@mrao.cam.ac.uk (David J.C. MacKay) To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Request for Complete Regionals and Nationals Data (Final positions appended) Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO Request for Complete Regionals and Nationals Data (Final positions appended) Dear Britdisc, I am planning to write a program which computes team rankings on the basis of game results. This program will be useful both for integration of results from multiple tournaments, and also for making new tournament formats. As a first test for this program I would like to receive as many results as possible from the regionals and the nationals. (a) What data is needed? Ideally, I would like the *scores* of every game that was played. If this information has been forgotten, then I would like to know who won every game. But scores would be MUCH better (because the program will give more accurate rankings if close games are distinguished from games with a big goal difference). (b) Who's going to send me the data? If you know that you did *not* tell your tournament directors the scores in your games, then please email your scores to me. If you are a Tournament Director, please send the information you have to me by email (mackay@mrao.cam.ac.uk). (c) What format for the data? Please, to make things easy to automate, send me the results in the following format, using the abbreviations for teams given below: TOP LINE: # Date of tournament SUBSEQUENT LINES: One result per line. example: (the results of Saturday's Shotgun Wedding v Stan and Violently Happy versus Catch 22 pool games) # 26 / 10 / 1996 SW 17 ST 15 VH 14 CT 13 - If you are not sure of the score, please add a question mark "?" at the end of the uncertain line. - If a game was won by default (so there was no score), please give the result in the form "A ! B", meaning team A beat team B. - If you only know the outcome (win/loss) of the game, please give the result in the form "A * B". For example, the results of some UTI, Headrush, Chevron Action Flash and Fluid Druids games were: # 26 / 10 / 1996 UTI * HR FD * HR UTI * CA FD * CA FD 15 UTI 14 ? Key for team abbreviations: SW Shotgun Wedding FD Fluid Druids UTI UTI ST Stan CT Catch 22 FM funky monks VH violently happy TD tribal desire HR headrush CA chevron action flash RE red MY mythago BAF blue arse flies SB Strange Blue SK skunks FT first touch CU Cuisons SH Sharks I UR Uriel I SHII Sharks II MYII Mythago II FN Funky Nuns PN Picnic I SKII Skunks II URII Uriel II PNII Picnic II EP Exotica Playthings LU Lurkers VP Village People BGA B.G.A. MK Mad Kows SFA S.F.A. AN Angels MO Mohawks AL Albatross SBII Strange Blue 2 HU Hurricane BL Bliss SU Superfly SN Sneeekys JE Jesters (Other teams not listed: please give a sensible two-letter abbreviation and tell me the key) (d) How to check whether your scores have already been reported? I will put all scores that I receive in this web page. Program for inferring rankings from game scores Thankyou for your help! ============================================================= Results of nationals -------------------- 1 shotgun wedding 2 fluid druids 3 U.T.I. 4 stan (spirit) ------- 5 catch 22 6 funky monks 7 violently happy 8 tribal desire 9 headfrush 10 chevron 11 red 12 mythago ------------- 13 blue arse flies 14 strange blue 15 skunks 16 first touch Thanks to Chris for putting on a superb tournament with great fields and a great marquee! Yours, David ========================================================================== David J.C. MacKay email: mackay@mrao.cam.ac.uk www: http://wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk/mackay/ Cavendish Laboratory, tel: (01223) 339852 fax: 354599 home: 276411 Madingley Road, international code: +44 1223 Cambridge CB3 0HE. U.K. home: 19 Thornton Road, Girton, Cambridge CB3 0NP From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Oct 30 07:05:09 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id HAA11082; Wed, 30 Oct 1996 07:04:33 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id NAA29716; Mon, 28 Oct 1996 13:25:04 GMT Received: from mail.rmplc.net by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id NAA29695; Mon, 28 Oct 1996 13:24:29 GMT Received: from acotgreave ([172.16.27.34]) by mail.rmplc.net (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA00193 for ; Mon, 28 Oct 1996 13:24:23 GMT Message-Id: <199610281324.NAA00193@mail.rmplc.net> From: "Andy Cotgreave" To: "Britdisc" Subject: The nationals aftermath Date: Mon, 28 Oct 1996 13:24:13 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hi All, Hopefully everyone who was at the Nationals this weekend had a great time, and are all recovering well. It was a great weekend, although the weather was an uncontrollable disaster. However, there were a couple of things that I really thought were out of order, and I feel should be addressed - what do people think about the following: Most teams yesterday (Sunday) had to play three consecutive games. Now, I know that long games are better than short, but expecting players to play over 4 hours of games without a real break is not only gruelling, but potentially dangerous. This was made worse by the fact that the 'breakfast' provided at the campsite wasn't served until 30 minutes before games begun - not enough time to get anything eaten and digested. Also, the breakfast was a rip off. Ten pounds per team for the cheapest bread and jam that can be bought does not get appreciated. Secondly, the end of tournament cermony was a real anti-climax. Why Chris could not organise a proper spirit vote is beyond me (for those who weren't there, none of the organisers thought to collect spirit votes, and the trophy was given to Stan by default, it seems). I'm not trying to deny Stan the spirit trophy; my point is that this is one of the most important aspects of the game, especially for the teams who don't get into the top 5 or 6; it angered me that this aspect of the tournament was ignored. This *was* the National Finals after all, so every aspect of our sport should be afforded the utmost respect - including the women's tournament, which Chris also didn't seem to care about, either. These were my gripes about an otherwise okay tournament, and asking around briefly, I know that there were a good number of people who agreed with me - anyone have any opinions on this? Looking forward to indoors, Andy C Chevron From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Oct 30 07:05:11 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id HAA11111; Wed, 30 Oct 1996 07:04:49 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id RAA17504; Mon, 28 Oct 1996 17:46:06 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id RAA17004; Mon, 28 Oct 1996 17:38:09 GMT Date: Mon, 28 Oct 1996 17:35:52 GMT Received: from [137.205.222.1] by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id RAA01059; Mon, 28 Oct 1996 17:35:52 GMT X-Sender: serai@mail.csv.warwick.ac.uk Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: D.P.Neilson@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Dave Neilson) Subject: Coaching Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO Jonathan Scofield just wrote on BD: > > 3. The polarisation of opinions on this issue is in part > because we're discussing it in isolation. Surely part of > the whole problem is that no coaching infrastructure of > any kind exists for players beyond those who want to be > a part of the GB squads. Solve this problem, as well as > the structure of competition in this country, and we might > actually start producing players who are mentally tough > enough to compete at higher levels. > I couldn't agree with Jon more. A disc sports or (just) Ultimate coaching qualification structure is something that (to my knowledge) has not been set up in any country to date. The latest news on the British front is that Simon Moore has taken on the role of Project Manager for the BFDF Coach Education Project. Simon will be building upon the foundations laid by Chris Hughes. Chris brought his Sports Science training as well as his knowledge of the National Coaching Foundation (NCF) to the work he carried out during the last twelve months. I imagine that Simon will be looking for suitable volnteers to help with the project, but we are still at the planning stage as I write. Some great discussion on BD at the moment, with this amount of interest (and just from those who have Internet access) how can disc sports in Britain fail to grow strong! Keep it going. Sam Neilson National Director of the BFDF. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Oct 30 07:05:14 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id HAA11117; Wed, 30 Oct 1996 07:04:54 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id PAA10035; Mon, 28 Oct 1996 15:54:50 GMT Received: from typhoon.dial.pipex.net by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id PAA09657; Mon, 28 Oct 1996 15:47:46 GMT Received: from am166.du.pipex.com by typhoon.dial.pipex.net (8.8.2/) id PAA14096; Mon, 28 Oct 1996 15:46:00 GMT Message-ID: <3275462C.331E@dial.pipex.com> Date: Mon, 28 Oct 1996 15:47:56 -0800 From: Rebecca Humphries X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Win95; I; 16bit) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: britdisc Subject: just a few thoughts Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hi everyone, I have been reading the last couple of days emails for about an hour now!! I just thought I would air some personal opinions since everyone else seems to have. I promise to be as brief as possible. 1. Firstly the best suggestion that I have heard is organising Open Training sessions. As a very keen but not particularly accomplished player I would love the opportunity to learn more from the top players in the country. Some of the Shotgun players have a really generous attitude to other teams - ie. Hurricanes at the Regionals. It seems that once the basics are mastered, it is the psychology and tactics of the game that need more development, as Jonathan? suggested. 2. I don't think a ranking system will really be of any worth until there is some sort of regulation on the players that a team fields. I agree with Scott that "tarting" should possibly be regulated in some way - apparently in Sweden a player has to undergo a three month tournament ban if he/she changes team. Is this worth considering? 3. I agree with Dave Silbey that tournaments should be a mixture of open invites and closed (aimed at higher or lower standands). TD's have the right to choose who to invite and it is worth considering encouraging some of them to actively select who they invite based on standard. An example is the popularity of Chew Magna and the encouragement that beginners tournies provide. However, this should not go overboard, let's face it many of us love the social aspect of Ultimate and I don't think we should be too elitist. - peer pools as I arranged at Southampton could also be another solution, I think it was quite popular. 4. I'm sure there were others things I wanted to say!!! 5. Re: Nationals Aftermath - please don't slag off tournaments on Britdisc - if you have a problem then talk to Si Hill or Chris personally. Most people don't realise just how much work goes into organising a tournament and I'm sure most TD's would appreciate a bit more praise. Got to go - must go find a life and stop reading email. Rebecca Humphries From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Oct 30 07:05:21 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id HAA11087; Wed, 30 Oct 1996 07:04:36 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id LAA22587; Mon, 28 Oct 1996 11:40:10 GMT Received: from maila.uscs.susx.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id LAA22544; Mon, 28 Oct 1996 11:38:51 GMT Received: by maila.uscs.susx.ac.uk (Smail3.1.29.1 #2) id m0vHq0K-000XEza; Mon, 28 Oct 96 11:37 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id IAA29909; Sun, 27 Oct 1996 08:19:14 GMT Received: from arl-img-2.compuserve.com by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id IAA29892; Sun, 27 Oct 1996 08:18:44 GMT Received: by arl-img-2.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id DAA08200; Sun, 27 Oct 1996 03:18:08 -0500 Date: Sun, 27 Oct 1996 03:17:57 -0500 From: Ian Peter Stebbing <106040.3441@compuserve.com> Subject: Nationals Day 1 To: Britdisc Message-ID: <199610270318_MC1-B54-45D@compuserve.com> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO To all the avid players out there not actually at Nationals, the story (or what I can remember) at the end of play day 1. Stan nearly provided the shock of the tournament in its first game. Trailing Shotgun by 6 at about half they pulled back to 16-15, game to 17 before finally succumbing 17-15. The other game in this pool saw Catch 22 and Violently Happy playing a very tight contest where both teams had high hopes of progressing to the semi's. I believe the game went to the cap and was tied at 13-13 sudden death. VH pulled out the stops to keep there hopes alive clinching it 14-13. Stan buoyed by their excellent come back against Shotgun soon destroyed VH's aspirations and wrapped up second place beating both them and Catch comfortably. Shotgun eased into to the semi's in first place without any more close calls. In the other pool UTI and Druids beat Headrush and Chevron comfortably to set up the crunch game from this pool, who would avoid Shotgun in the semi! UTI took an early lead and seemed to be scoring upwind reasonably well apparently putting behind the trauma of last weekend behind them. At 8-4 up they were poised to take the half and probably the match as they had done all summer against the Druids. However Druids adjusted there style and started playing zone in both directions clamping down on UTI's ability to employ their running game. 3 points in a row for Druids and suddenly the contest was back on. UTI then managed to score down wind to take the half. UTI came out guns blazing to score down and up wind to stretch the lead back to 4. Druids and their zone slowly clawed themselves back into it again to level at 13-13 as time expired. Druids turned UTI over early and had two good opportunities to score the vital upwind point but rushes of blood to the head gave the disc back both times and UTI completed a huck play to regain the initiative. Druids scored downwind comfortably setting up the sudden death point. UTI had possession for most of the point but were unable to move constructively down field, another huck lead to a turn over and Druids moved steadily up field to score, their delight obvious after a first win over UTI in Britain. So the semi's see Shotgun vs UTI and 2 teams many had written off Druids vs Stan. As the weather worsens can UTI pull it out against Shotgun? From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Oct 30 07:05:23 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id HAA11105; Wed, 30 Oct 1996 07:04:46 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id TAA21837; Mon, 28 Oct 1996 19:07:31 GMT Received: from phidelta.demon.co.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id SAA21247; Mon, 28 Oct 1996 18:55:07 GMT Date: Mon, 28 Oct 1996 18:27:03 GMT From: Wayne@phidelta.demon.co.uk (Wayne Retter) Reply-To: Wayne@phidelta.demon.co.uk Message-Id: <3145@phidelta.demon.co.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Re: Future! X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Lines: 12 Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO Oz Freire writes: > The Future is bright the future is Orange thus declaring that the official religion of British Ultimate is Bud-dhism. When I tried to get out of bed this morning I felt more as though I'd been Tango'd :) Wayne Retter Fluid Druids PS Do NOT let Adam wear one of those shirts! From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Oct 30 07:07:12 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id HAA11158; Wed, 30 Oct 1996 07:07:01 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id PAA09316; Mon, 28 Oct 1996 15:45:03 GMT Received: from amsta.leeds.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id PAA09223; Mon, 28 Oct 1996 15:42:39 GMT Received: from newton.leeds.amsta (newton.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.64]) by amsta.leeds.ac.uk (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA13233 for ; Mon, 28 Oct 1996 15:44:08 GMT Received: by newton.leeds.amsta (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id PAA16824; Mon, 28 Oct 1996 15:46:22 GMT Date: Mon, 28 Oct 1996 15:46:22 GMT From: amtsjh@amsta.leeds.ac.uk (S J Hill) Message-Id: <199610281546.PAA16824@newton.leeds.amsta> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: apologies X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO I'm going to re-order what Andy has said somewhat: > It was a great weekend, although the weather was an uncontrollable > disaster. Yes - and whilst you can get this sort of weather at any time of year it does seem to strengthen the argument for finding some way of moving Nationals forward. > However, there were a couple of things that I really thought were out of > order, and I feel should be addressed - what do people think about the > following: > Secondly, the end of tournament cermony was a real anti-climax. Why Chris > could not organise a proper spirit vote is beyond me (for those who weren't > there, none of the organisers thought to collect spirit votes, and the > trophy was given to Stan by default, it seems). I'm not trying to deny Stan > the spirit trophy; my point is that this is one of the most important > aspects of the game, especially for the teams who don't get into the top 5 > or 6; it angered me that this aspect of the tournament was ignored. This > *was* the National Finals after all, so every aspect of our sport should be > afforded the utmost respect - including the women's tournament, which Chris > also didn't seem to care about, either. I think the buck stops here for this undeniable cock-up. Had I realised that Chris and Wayne hadn't sorted Spirit then I would have done so whilst the final was on. Of course - I *should* have realised because nobody had asked for our nomination. I was too busy enjoying our post-game gags and watching the final. Once I realised (too late of course) we tried quickly to take a quick pole of teams around us. Stan's name came up more than anyone else. Nonetheless this was a cock-up. I am extremely embarrased. I take the blame. Women's tourney: I don't think that Liz had let Chris know how it had gone - given him results etc. So he asked her to let us all know how things had gone. (Congrats to Twin Peaks!!) The organisation of the women's tourney was done last minute and owes some thanks to Chris (as Liz mentioned). The number of teams involved also varied wildly from day to day in the week leading up to the tourney. I also would like to refute the implication that spirit is not important to teams in the top 5 or 6. > Most teams yesterday (Sunday) had to play three consecutive games. Now, I > know that long games are better than short, but expecting players to play > over 4 hours of games without a real break is not only gruelling, but > potentially dangerous. Three points: 1. Yes - there was (another) mistake here. Games were supposed to be 90 mins. So that the 2 hour slots still gave time for quick break; refill water bottles; have a fag (joke); etc etc. (I suspect you would have said the same in this case also however.) 2. The schedule has been known for sometime. And I believe I managed to communicate this to people from most teams - esp. those expecting to be at finals. Who is the more foolhardy? He who schedules 3 back to back games? or he who turns up to such a tournament with 11 players (2 of whom are known to be getting over injuries)? 3. The schedule could have been different and avoided this difficulty: a) There could have been less teams. (I wonder what would have been said about that.) b) Games could have been much shorter. (Do we want to play proper ultimate at Nationals.. or just pretendy-short-game-frisbee?) c) We could have scheduled games to continue whilst the final was on. (This too would have prompted complaints.) d) We could have played the final in the dark... except we couldn't get the venue with floodlights that Scott tried for. > This was made worse by the fact that the 'breakfast' > provided at the campsite wasn't served until 30 minutes before games begun > - not enough time to get anything eaten and digested. Also, the breakfast > was a rip off. Ten pounds per team for the cheapest bread and jam that can > be bought does not get appreciated. Didn't see the breakfast - so I can't comment. It should have been served earlier than 30 mins before. Given the difficulties in finding a venue for finals a better solution might have been not to offer any accom or breakfast and leave people to solve these problems for themselves.... > These were my gripes about an otherwise okay tournament, and asking around > briefly, I know that there were a good number of people who agreed with me > - anyone have any opinions on this? Hopefully that might help to explain some of Andy's points and also to apologize for the undeniable mistakes. I am learning. Some things we got right - some we got wrong. Hopefully we will learn from the mistakes. I know I will. Please don't bother discussing for a week the merits of my spirit straw pole. We were shutting the stable door after the horse had bolted. My final point is this: if you can do better, I think Chris & Wayne would be the first to join me in saying: "Please do." > Looking forward to indoors, > Andy C > Chevron Looking forward to practising outdoors all winter, Simon Catch 22 Director of Competitions From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Oct 30 07:17:22 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id HAA11308; Wed, 30 Oct 1996 07:17:05 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id MAA00473; Tue, 29 Oct 1996 12:46:40 GMT Received: from amsta.leeds.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id MAA00388; Tue, 29 Oct 1996 12:45:01 GMT Received: from markof.amsta.leeds.ac.uk (markof [129.11.36.34]) by amsta.leeds.ac.uk (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA08750 for ; Tue, 29 Oct 1996 12:29:02 GMT Date: Tue, 29 Oct 1996 12:29:02 GMT From: S J Hill Message-Id: <199610291229.MAA08750@amsta.leeds.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: at last... Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO hello. This is inevitably a long, involved email. If you can print it out! - read it a few times - and pass it around your team-mates who don't have email access. A brief outline of this will appear in ultimatum soon. At some later date we hope to get some sort of questionnaire about this and related topics out to everyone - again hopefully with an ultimatum - perhaps the update after the coming issue - (what do you think Paul?) OUTDOOR PLAN ------------ I think this might go some way to answering some of the questions raised over the last week or so. I started to put this idea together some time ago - before the current spate of emails on the competition structure in GB ultimate. Its largely a mixture of other people's ideas to be honest - just brought together into a (hopefully) coherent plan. I want to emphasise that this is a) a suggestion - and as such I would like to hear constructive suggestions about how it might best be set up to everyone's satisfaction. b) only part of the solution - as has been pointed out - coaching is something we must address in tandem with changing the competition structure. There are several (lofty) aims of this "Tour-idea": 1. One of the main jobs for the new Director of Competitions is to coordinate ultimate events in order to bring some sensible planning to bear: avoiding undesirable clashes, being able to let other people (eg the Sports Council, the media!) when tournaments will be - especially "the big ones" from the point of view of encouraging outside interest. 2. People obviously like the idea of some sort of ranking system: rather than have 3 unofficial ranking lists we felt we should pin down a BUF Ranking. My research into this shows that to devise a system that includes all tournaments is not straightforward. (At least not if you want a meaningful system; not forgetting that ultimate is notorious for pickup teams, and changing team-rosters. I also tend to favour a system that people can easily understand.) 3. The G.B. Open team found (to their cost) at Worlds that we don't have enough hard fought, long games in our domestic tournaments. I think that our teams at World Clubs in 1995 had similar experiences. We are in need of a system that fairly allows some tournaments to "get rid of the formality games" that have become commonplace on a Saturday at a tournament. (Obviously this has been a major talking point recently. I think what I'm aiming at is A MIXTURE of tourneys - where some of them do not involve "big-gun v. minnow" games - and some do. The Tour tournaments would NOT have these games.) 4. Provide some sort of focus to the outdoor season in the form of stiff competition where everyone knows where they stand with tournaments announced and paid for long in advance; where we all play mostly close games; with a clearly defined method of achieving progress. 5. Start to provide a mechanism to encourage tournaments to improve their facilities: pitches, organisation, medical/first aid information/assistance, etc. 6. To do all this in a way that provides the necessary competition for teams/players who want to compete "at the top"; whilst at the same time not harm in any way those things that make ultimate so special for a vast number of players who's first interest is the "fun-side" of our game. 7. I am *NOT* at this point suggesting that this should be part of a change to the structure of Nationals. That would be a lot of change all in one go. However, on the basis of what has been said lately I think makes sense to include the possibility of linking this idea into Nationals. At least, the idea should be discussed and acknowledged - even if the majority view is that we need to give the Tour time to run on its own before allowing it to affect Nationals. The BUF "Ultim-8" Tour ---------------------- A group of events (initially 4 or probably 5) running from late March/early April until early/mid July. At this stage I have approached several of the obvious tournaments about this, but do not have all tournaments tied down (deliberately - part of the aim here is to allow people to bid for these tourneys). The size of these events would be unaffected: indeed the bigger the entry the better. However, the format at these tourneys would be set by the "Tour Rules": I'll come back to these later. Every team at a Tour tourney will receive points on the basis of their position. These points would form the ranking list. Only at these tournaments can points be scored: (this removes the greatest difficulty associated with normal ranking systems). The team with the most points at the end of the Tour becomes the Ultim-8 Champions. But of course, each tourney within the tour will still have prices as usual. Likewise I would envisage an overall Spirit of the Game award; and "2nd, 3rd Division Champions" for 9th, 17th positions etc... So what's so different? The main difference for most people will be the format of these tournaments. Because at each stage there is a clearly defined ranking, we are able to "jump over" the group system that normally exists at tourneys. Instead, the top 8 teams are put into two groups of 4 and playoff for semi-final places. (This provides the top teams with more of the type of competition that is required.) The other teams too are ranked and so can be split straight away into closely matched groups where the games are meaningful because they are the qualification mechanism to climb the rankings. Basically, at the end of Saturday, there will be teams from the top 8 who have been knocked out, and teams from the next 8 who have won their games. This group of 8 teams now playoff against each other in a quarter-final knockout for positions 5-12. This sort of mechanism goes on all the way through the positions. The sharp amongst you will see immediately that teams starting outside the top 8 cannot win the tournament. True enough: but they can compete for 5th place, and then almost certainly start the next tourney in the top 8. [NB - The idea of using top 8 is somewhat arbitrary. Its where I got the idea for the name Ultim-8 - which is bit cheesy - but aimed at giving the whole thing an "identity". This is not vital. What is vital is that the teams at the top of the ranking playoff against each other from the start of the tourney - in long games - and that the games have more meaning than the old "peer pool" thing of playing off for seeding only. I would also add that it would be better if we had 3 or 4 different formats based on these principles so that the different tourneys do not become too standardized. If it sounds familiar its because its the system we used at National Finals this year. ] Other considerations: Of course we have to make some allowance for the possibility that a foreign team will enter a tournament, and other "exceptional situations", but there are no major difficulties in that. Another implication is that of rosters. It is clear that for teams in the higher reaches of the ranking list must play to a roster system - in other words a player can play for one team only. But to impose this on everyone would be counter-productive so it would only apply to teams ranked above a certain position, say 8: eg once a player has played at a Tour event with a team ranked in the top 8, they are "cup-tied" to that team. (Although I would suggest that a mechanism for picking up with lower teams is allowed so that such teams can benefit from experienced players whose team cannot play.) At this stage, the rosters for Ultim-8 would not apply for Nationals. Overall Schedule ---------------- The outdoor season should then pan out roughly as follows. Ultim-8 : late March/early April ..... early/mid July. This period would also see (as usual): Student Outdoor Championships Junior Outdoor Championships Rotterdam (and other Euro-tourneys like Brugge) *Some non-tour events.* Worlds/Europeans : late July ..... early/mid August. [Again, I would expect that there would be the usual events running over August, but that these should be non-tour to give people a chance for more relaxed tourneys, opportunity to pickup/tart around...etc. It is absolutely central to the plan that there are "non-tour" events going on so as to keep alive many of the excellent ultimate traditions that we have; to cater for teams that do not wish/manage to enter all the tour events; provide opportunity for some games between "top" teams and "weaker" teams: which is important to maintain I think - as has been clealry demonstrated in recent discussion.] BUF Open : early Sept as usual. This is deliberately not part of the Tour because of its timing and because it is primarily aimed at bringing european teams to the UK. Nationals : mid/late October. The timing of these tournaments is still tricky. As usual we are juggling the needs of student teams to be back at Uni, and those of the teams playing at finals who don't want to finish their games by candlelight. Overall I believe that there is much to gain from the sort of changes I'm suggesting. Of course, its not perfect, no system will be. But please think it through. I would like to discuss it with anyone who has questions and/or suggestions. Simon Hill Director of Competitions From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Oct 30 07:17:32 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id HAA11316; Wed, 30 Oct 1996 07:17:14 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id TAA24065; Tue, 29 Oct 1996 19:28:41 GMT Received: from violet.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id TAA23744; Tue, 29 Oct 1996 19:21:26 GMT Received: from admin.warwick.ac.uk by violet.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id TAA02620; Tue, 29 Oct 1996 19:21:03 GMT Received: from SIGMA/MERCURY by admin.warwick.ac.uk (Mercury 1.21); 29 Oct 96 19:19:33 +0000 Received: from MERCURY by SIGMA (Mercury 1.21); 29 Oct 96 19:19:03 +0000 From: "DEREK ROBINS" Organization: University of Warwick, CV4 7AL, UK To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Tue, 29 Oct 1996 19:19:02 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Something (else) to stoke the fire... Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.1 (R1a) Message-ID: <7D61FBA4F61@admin.warwick.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO Dear Britdisc and Aram, I agree with Aram's observation ... > I strongly feel that the biggest factor in Shotgun's longevity at the top > of British Ultimate is the fact that most of us live near each other and > therefore we are able to practice (train). I believe that as long as our > opposition are groups of ex-college friends (who might or might not be great > individual players) that get together at tournaments or occasional weekend > sessions, we will continue to dominate. I even agree with Aram, Scott and Patch on the desirability of teams being more locally based, BUT I don't think there should be any legislation for several reasons - 1. Ultimate has a spirit of freedom and most players don't want to be told what to do and in particular who they should or shouldn't play with. 2. However you drew up the rules they would be ambiguous or unfair in some situations. 3. Policing the rules would be a thankless task which would in all probability damage the BUF by upsetting a section of the membership and diverting scarce volunteer resources from projects which are seen as positive to a policing role that will only attract brick-bats. > If you look around at other countries (or indeed other sports) most > teams are comprised of players that live near each other and therefore > practice together. It provides all sorts of advantages that just being good > mates doesn't even begin to make up for, such as; fitness, plays, different > offences and defenses etc.. Then again, being good mates can allow you to play the game without yelling abuse at each other (no guarantee of course!) and that is something which I value playing with STAN. It more than makes up for the loss of competitive edge that we forego by not having team practices. > PPS: Del, I don't think that fragmenting the "big" teams is the right way > forward for British Ultimate. If we don't recruit young raw talent (such > as the regulators who were the typical non-geo team I dislike) how else > do older, experienced players pass on the "knowledge"? Olly, Doug, Ed etc were hardly raw by British standards but I don't doubt that they have learned plenty since the merger. Whether the merger was good or bad for British Ultimate is impossible to say, who can say what would have happened? ..except that I am pretty sure we would have had some more closely fought finals. Let me make one thing clear before I sign off, I certainly don't intend telling any of the Shotgun players who they should/shouldn't play with. Del. PS Sean, have you and Ingo and Conor started that Brighton team yet? :-) *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*- Derek Robins | | D.J.Robins@admin.warwick.ac.uk Management Accountant | | Tel 01203 523523 x2710 Finance Office | | Fax 01203 524573 University of Warwick | | Room 343 Coventry CV4 7AL | | Senate House *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*- From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Oct 30 07:17:36 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id HAA11311; Wed, 30 Oct 1996 07:17:09 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id QAA12638; Tue, 29 Oct 1996 16:07:55 GMT Received: from violet.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id PAA12029; Tue, 29 Oct 1996 15:54:52 GMT Received: from admin.warwick.ac.uk by violet.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id PAA23638; Tue, 29 Oct 1996 15:54:42 GMT Received: from SIGMA/MERCURY by admin.warwick.ac.uk (Mercury 1.21); 29 Oct 96 15:53:12 +0000 Received: from MERCURY by SIGMA (Mercury 1.21); 29 Oct 96 15:52:44 +0000 From: "DEREK ROBINS" Organization: University of Warwick, CV4 7AL, UK To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Tue, 29 Oct 1996 15:52:44 +0000 (GMT) Subject: DG Independent article 30th Oct Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.1 (R1a) Message-ID: <7D2AF540791@admin.warwick.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO Disc Golf is going to feature in tomorrow's Independent newspaper. Keith Elliott interviewed me during Nationals last weekend. He wrote the article on Ultimate a couple of years ago for the same paper. He thought disc golf had a lot going for it, so I'm expecting a positive piece. I certainly hope it's good as that would make a nice birthday present for me - I'm 36 tomorrow! He also enjoyed watching the STAN vs UTI play-off for 3rd place - quite a compliment to the game when you consider the wind and rain and the fact that he had two young daughters to look after! Del *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*- Derek Robins | | D.J.Robins@admin.warwick.ac.uk Management Accountant | | Tel 01203 523523 x2710 Finance Office | | Fax 01203 524573 University of Warwick | | Room 343 Coventry CV4 7AL | | Senate House *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*- From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Oct 30 07:17:44 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id HAA11321; Wed, 30 Oct 1996 07:17:18 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id QAA14822; Tue, 29 Oct 1996 16:43:36 GMT Received: from dub-img-3.compuserve.com by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id QAA14498; Tue, 29 Oct 1996 16:37:35 GMT Received: by dub-img-3.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id LAA28633; Tue, 29 Oct 1996 11:36:51 -0500 Date: Tue, 29 Oct 1996 11:36:38 -0500 From: Ian Peter Stebbing <106040.3441@compuserve.com> Subject: Re: The nationals aftermath To: Britdisc Message-ID: <199610291136_MC1-B6D-B579@compuserve.com> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO In reply to Andy C from Chevron re: nationals, organisation and other petty complaints. Before saying any more I would like to point out I had nothing to do with any of the organisation of the tournament and would expect an official reply to be heading in Andy's direction soon. There has been much discussion here recently about the need for the top teams to qualify for nationals given the complete mauling they inflict on the vast majority of their opposition and the need to cater for development at both the top and bottom of playing standard throughout the sport. Here for once we had a tournament that catered only to the top 16 teams in the country and primarily as the tournament progressed to those still capable of winning it. As a member of one of the top sides and having spoken to many other players in both my own and from the other top teams we were very impressed with the whole tournament. We actually got to play 3 highly competitive matches over the weekend of a proper duration and each potential winner had an even chance. This tournament was about deciding who is the best team in Britain and it achieved it 100%. To have to play 3 consequtive matches is not uncommon at top level non-UK tournaments where matches are played to points not time but given large time slots to avoid overruns. This was attempted at Hitchen, unfortunately the weather did not help much making games last longer than normal. Having played for Pittsburgh this Spring they complained of having to sit out one time slot because they did not want to sit around for 2 or 3 hours between games preferring to stay warm and focused and viewing the potential short gaps between games as a reward for finishing a team off as quickly as possible. Breakfast I did not eat at the site but GBP10 does not sound bad for a whole team especially when you consider that it is only about 75p per head. The timing may have been unfortunate but consider the poor VOLUNTEERS who got up to SERVE YOU breakfast at 8am on a Sunday morning. The closing ceremony was a bit of an anticlimax however these things usually drag on forever and are quite boring. Given the impending darkness and the likelihood of more rain, brevity was probably welcomed. In further defence of Chris it should be remembered that he had just finished playing in the final and personally more interested in a hot shower and a beer. The spirit trophy was actually awarded to Stan on the grounds of Simon Hill having collected multiple opinions from the crowd watching the final. In my opinion (an I hasten to add this part is only my opinion) the one vote per team leads to rather undervalued spirit vote anyway. Often this leads to a multiple tie showing the strength of SOTG within Ultimate but you can only vote for people you played against or seen. The tournament organisers/support staff etc. between them see virtually all the games as Chris did, sometimes to the displeasure of his own team because he was meant to be trying to win as well as run the tournament, and can provide a more informed decision as to who should win spirit. Perhaps here it is worth mentioning that Chris did not play at regionals either because he was the TD for the south-east region so that they could actually have a tournament, again he should have been in Exeter playing for his club side. The women's tournament was not initially part of the Nationals but was fitted in to allow it to run concurrently. The number of teams involved seemed to be changing on a daily basis in the week leading up to the tournament peaking at 6 but in reality finishing at 4. Chris was not involved with this but did his best to accommodate it and rightfully handed over to Liz Bourne for the presentation who I felt did a good job. Echoing Rebecca Humphries thoughts this is not the place to attack TD's especially if you do not know the facts. Try asking questions first at least and then if you feel its necessary go ahead. It is also pretty bad to whinge about the cost of breakfast when as I understand you haven't even paid yet! I for one thoroughly enjoyed a very hard and competitive tournament with the exception of the weather which I understand is still outside our control, mine certainly. Ian Stebbing Fluid Druids PS I apologise for the length of this message but I feel rather strongly about this. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Oct 30 11:32:33 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id KAA19147; Wed, 30 Oct 1996 10:29:53 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id KAA24813; Wed, 30 Oct 1996 10:24:13 GMT From: dmurray@soton.ac.uk Received: from beech.soton.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id KAA24699; Wed, 30 Oct 1996 10:21:35 GMT Received: from oak.soton.ac.uk (oak.soton.ac.uk [152.78.128.89]) by beech.soton.ac.uk (8.6.12/hub-8.5a) with ESMTP id KAA18021 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 1996 10:21:28 GMT Received: (from dmurray@localhost) by oak.soton.ac.uk (8.6.10/client-8.8) id KAA18324 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Wed, 30 Oct 1996 10:21:25 GMT Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1996 10:21:25 GMT Message-Id: <199610301021.KAA18324@oak.soton.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Re: The nationals aftermath X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO despite the comments included in your mail I really enjoyed nationals I would love for you guys to organise it next SEPTEMBER a couple of complaints the tournament organisers obvoiusly paying a local dog to run across pitch at crucial moments and obvoiusly rigging the tournament so that the obvoiuly best team there only finished 3rd. do not know how you did it but we will find out From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Oct 30 18:08:30 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id SAA29935; Wed, 30 Oct 1996 18:01:46 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id RAA19031; Wed, 30 Oct 1996 17:35:12 GMT From: dmurray@soton.ac.uk Received: from beech.soton.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id RAA18880; Wed, 30 Oct 1996 17:32:17 GMT Received: from oak.soton.ac.uk (oak.soton.ac.uk [152.78.128.89]) by beech.soton.ac.uk (8.6.12/hub-8.5a) with ESMTP id RAA28617 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 1996 17:32:07 GMT Received: (from dmurray@localhost) by oak.soton.ac.uk (8.6.10/client-8.8) id RAA08210 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Wed, 30 Oct 1996 17:32:04 GMT Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1996 17:32:04 GMT Message-Id: <199610301732.RAA08210@oak.soton.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: nationals X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO sorry do not know most results I am a dozy little bugger who lives in his own world can however give a brief summary from UTI's point of view Saturday started on familiar ground iron man for the start of the first game our numbers soon swelled and we managed to fight of chevron (17-5ish) now up to 14 players, a team record, we played headrush with the winners guarenteed a spot at worlds. Headrush started the belief, that continued all weekend that UTI hated zone and zoned us both ways initial problems were sorted out and we won 17-7 rumours came across that STAN had pushed shotgun close losing by 2-3 points and on the next pitch mush noise resulted in violently happy winning over catch 22 in overtime. finally to our big match Druids to decide who had to play shotgun in the semi's a close game what can I say we messed up we even had the chance to score to win but it was not to be at least we proved we were not as bad at playing zone and in the wind as everyone thought we were final result druids 16 UTI 15 so to Sunday and what a day gale winds and rain we had nothing to lose against shotgun and went out happy and relaxed and little bad luck upwind let shotgun take a 10-3 lead but then the rea incentive came by instituting football style team celebrations for upwind scores including ravenelli tshirts, klinsman dives and the aylesbury ducks we suddenly had something to play for 5 upwind scores in a row and suddenly it was 13-10 total disrespect for the wind and shotguns zone upwind hammers and hucks kept us in the game but the lead we had given them was too much finally losing in the cap 18-16 3-4th play off against stan another epic in strong winds STAN's experience and throwing pushing all the way but the youngsters won through in the end winning 17-16 one of the most fun tournaments I have ever played in spirit and competition was great Shotgun won, beating the druids easily in the final underdogs twin peaks won the womens final against bliss err catch took 5th place to earn a spot at worlds (STAN are masters) monks came 6th in a cunning plan to win a trophy firstly lose at regionals to drop seedings heavily then fight back at nationals to try and get a trophy for climbing the largest number of seedings after that I am not sure what happened sorry dave From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Oct 30 18:37:06 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id SAA01738; Wed, 30 Oct 1996 18:32:19 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id SAA21658; Wed, 30 Oct 1996 18:25:33 GMT Received: from hil-img-5.compuserve.com by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id SAA21606; Wed, 30 Oct 1996 18:24:33 GMT Received: by hil-img-5.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id NAA09342; Wed, 30 Oct 1996 13:23:55 -0500 Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1996 13:21:28 -0500 From: Ian Peter Stebbing <106040.3441@compuserve.com> Subject: Team Structures/Formations To: Britdisc Message-ID: <199610301323_MC1-B72-976C@compuserve.com> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO The geo / non-geo debate has many factors, I would like to add a slightly different slant to it. Shotgun are the best team in the country outdoors and have proved it time and again. This is not however purely because they can train together but has other equally important factors. 1) Aram brought with him from the States many new ideas and strategies the rest of us did not know and it took us a long time to counter and then be able to utilise them ourselves. This advantage has all but disappeared against the other top teams as the knowledge is now widely known, thanks mainly to Shotgun and Aram making it available. 2) Shotgun had enough quality players to be able to continually rotate people without having to put exploitable players on the pitch. No other team was in this position. The size of the Shotgun squad at tournaments was always bigger than any other. This meant that against weaker sides they could rest their top players leaving them fresh for the crunch games and vica versa against stronger teams. There are reasons why I believe these were just as important and how the non-geo teams have approached closing the gap, because we after all want to be the best and do not see it as a lost cause. The only real advantage a geo based team has is the extra familiarity that playing week in week out with your team mates brings, not fitness, new plays and new strategies. On the other hand if you are an old boys team there is a good chance you've just spent the last 3 years playing together although this familiarity can soon fade. Ian Stebbing Fluid Druids From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Oct 30 22:17:46 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id WAA16420; Wed, 30 Oct 1996 22:09:45 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id WAA01269; Wed, 30 Oct 1996 22:04:30 GMT Received: from phidelta.demon.co.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id WAA01192; Wed, 30 Oct 1996 22:02:16 GMT Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1996 20:48:18 GMT From: LayoutDreams@phidelta.demon.co.uk (Wayne Retter) Reply-To: LayoutDreams@phidelta.demon.co.uk Message-Id: <3221@phidelta.demon.co.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Hitchin Indoors X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Lines: 22 Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO Greetings, So far we've had 11 (paid up) teams enter for the Hitchin Indoors, but only have contact details for the following: Funky Nuns Strollers Angels Mr Men Would the others please send us the following info so we can let you know what's happening without annoying the rest of BritDisc: Contact Name: Address: Phone Number: Fax Number (if poss): Email address: WHO PAID: Cheers Wayne _____________________________________________________________________________ Chris Hughes layoutDREAMS Wayne Retter +44/0-151-260-1840 LayoutDreams@phidelta.demon.co.uk +44/0-1737-242109 From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Oct 31 09:04:51 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id IAA02406; Thu, 31 Oct 1996 08:55:30 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id PAA11795; Wed, 30 Oct 1996 15:13:20 GMT Received: from violet.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id PAA11564; Wed, 30 Oct 1996 15:07:34 GMT Received: from renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk by violet.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id PAA23421; Wed, 30 Oct 1996 15:07:10 GMT Received: from arran.sms.ed.ac.uk (arran.sms.ed.ac.uk [129.215.141.2]) by renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk (8.6.13/8.6.12) with ESMTP id PAA01054 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 1996 15:06:58 GMT Received: from SMS-ARRAN/SpoolDir by arran.sms.ed.ac.uk (Mercury 1.21); 30 Oct 96 15:11:13 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by SMS-ARRAN (Mercury 1.21); 30 Oct 96 15:11:03 +0000 From: "JAMES.C.MCDONALD" <9361247@arran.sms.ed.ac.uk> Organization: Student Mail Service To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1996 15:11:03 +0000 Subject: Second division? Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <18BFEE393BFC@arran.sms.ed.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO Dear all, I have been reading with interest, the debate about the creation of an 'elite' division for competitions etc. I've got to agree with Si Hill that this is the way forward, as long as there is equal provision made for those teams, who do not manage to gain entry (and there will be an awful lot left out). A second division has to be created, so that these teams can also play in protected competition, away from the top teams. This is essential for the following reasons:- 1) It will give the lesser teams equal chance to play just as many tournaments as the elite teams. 2) It will enable the improvement of lesser teams, as more games at these tournaments will be closer - and in my opinion it is these games that make weekends and really improve your playing ability. This should (hopefully) increase the competition at the tournaments where the elite spots for the next year are up for grabs. As the teams which have been performing well in the lower ranks may have the new-found confidence to challenge those who have been 'struggling' in the elite division. 3) There will be added incentive at tournaments, as the teams which will be making it through to quarters, semis and finals will not be the usual superteams, so more teams will be in with a chance. I know that everyone wants to see ultimate grow at all levels in this country. To succeed in this, every standard has to be catered for and helped by the BUF, as well as by the ordinary players in this country, of which I am pleased to be one. Thanks for reading, Jim Sneeeky's From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Oct 31 09:04:23 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id IAA02222; Thu, 31 Oct 1996 08:53:04 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id NAA05444; Wed, 30 Oct 1996 13:21:09 GMT Received: from dryctnath.mmu.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id NAA05413; Wed, 30 Oct 1996 13:20:12 GMT Received: from ghondr.mmu.ac.uk by dryctnath.mmu.ac.uk with SMTP (MMTA) with ESMTP; Wed, 30 Oct 1996 13:19:54 +0000 Received: from MMU-HSS-GHONDR/SpoolDir by ghondr.mmu.ac.uk (Mercury 1.21); 30 Oct 96 13:20:06 +0100 Received: from SpoolDir by MMU-HSS-GHONDR (Mercury 1.30); 30 Oct 96 13:19:58 +0100 From: Lawrence PAULSON <94853843@mmu.ac.uk> Organization: Manchester Metropolitan University To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1996 13:19:56 +0100 Subject: BD: er...Results? Report? Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO Dear Big Shots, As a passive competitor in the weekend's National Finals (i.e. I didn't qualify and didn't attend), it has come to my attention that apart from a list buried at the bottom of David MacKay's request for data, nobody has yet given us a COMPREHENSIVE report and results for the tournament . It may be that under the wealth of e-mails I've been receiving of late, such a message might have been lost (or more likely ignored ;). If this is the case could somebody please mail it to me again (personally perhaps- not via Britdisc), or if not the case- why the silence (broken by a sporadic muttering)? I understand that in the current argumentative climate you guys would want to keep the Finals a hush-hush affair so as not to incur the further pique of us 'smaller' teams (I prefer the term "Teams with More Potential"). Fair enough, but it may surprise you to learn that some of us ARE vaguely interested in the results of these kind of 'elite' events. Written with a smile on my face...(and hopefully read that way).. Love and Luck, Lawrence PAULSON. Chair, Fingers 6 (Manchester,UK) Ultimate Frisbee Club. Tel: (0161) 882-0560 From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Oct 31 09:07:16 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id IAA02265; Thu, 31 Oct 1996 08:53:50 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id OAA09093; Wed, 30 Oct 1996 14:23:05 GMT Received: from harpercollins.co.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id OAA08898; Wed, 30 Oct 1996 14:19:49 GMT Received: by gatekeeper.harpercollins.co.uk id <41524-1>; Wed, 30 Oct 1996 14:21:07 +0000 Message-Id: <96Oct30.142107gmt.41524-1@gatekeeper.harpercollins.co.uk> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1996 13:57:43 +0000 From: Elizabeth Bourne To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Womens' Nationals Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO Well, I've resisted the urge so far to post something to all BDers (although I seem to have picked up the jargon...), but I felt that in order to maintain Chris Hughes' already shredded reputation I should put finger to keyboard. The idea for a Womens' Nationals came to me after the World Championships in Sweden. After a preliminary talk with Simon Hill I thought that maybe it was not such a good idea, what with scheduling nightmares etc. However, Simon called me later and told me that it was entirely possible. Pitches were allocated and I (well Jonathan and Sue, actually) scheduled the games. There was at one point 9 teams, but this plummeted to 6 on Saturday, then 4 on Sunday. The only input that Chris and Simon had after allocating pitch time, was buying the trophies. It has to be said, though, that Chris told me the Thursday before that there was no Spirit trophy for us and then told me there was once I was standing in front of the throbbing masses on Sunday afternoon. But I had kind of decided that this was not a big problem since the new teams who played did not know the rules, let alone know how to enforce them in a spirited way. (NB it should not be forgotten that Spirit of the Game is all about how you play the game, not how good your Abba medley is afterwards.) All in all, I got a good feedback from all the women involved. I hope the Womens' Nationals will continue to be part of the British Ultimate calendar. And I would like to thank Chris and Simon for their part in making last weekend a success. The Results: 1. Twin Peaks 2. Bliss 3. Funky Nuns 4. Dolly Mixtures (awarded an impromptu spirit trophy) 5. Hint of Lime (Saturday only) 6. Diva (2 games only!) Liz BUF Womens' Coordinator Twin Peaks From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Oct 31 09:09:01 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id IAA02220; Thu, 31 Oct 1996 08:52:59 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id NAA05616; Wed, 30 Oct 1996 13:24:17 GMT Received: from nessie.mcc.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id NAA05600; Wed, 30 Oct 1996 13:23:27 GMT Received: from ccg.acu.man.ac.uk by nessie.mcc.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Wed, 30 Oct 1996 13:22:32 +0000 Received: from cc:Mail by ccg.acu.man.ac.uk (1.30/SMTPLink) id A04780; Wed, 30 Oct 96 13:21:25 GMT Date: Wed, 30 Oct 96 13:21:25 GMT From: Rob Mitchell Message-ID: <9610301321.A04780@ccg.acu.man.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Point of order Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO Text item: Text_1 Don't wish to be picky but... Andy C may well have spoken out of turn and with what now reads as an excess of vitriol when criticising what were, in the main, niggly details from last weekend. However, in the course of the sound kicking you all gave him, someone or other suggested that rather than blurt his bile all over britdisc he should have a quiet word with the venerable Simon Hill, i.e. keep his mouth shut. It's interesting that for offering what he thought were genuine criticisms which could well have struck chords with others he was pounced upon when another person who shall remain nameless, primarily because I'm just not sufficiently interested to go back and check, got away with some direct, personal and ostensibly groundless abuse at the expense of Rob the Jester. (He called him a wanker, swearword fans). Surely britdisc is exactly the place where people should be able to moan about any detail of british ultimate even if only so that the rest of us can carefully correct their misguided attitudes. love rob from chevron xxx From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Oct 31 09:34:42 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id JAA05043; Thu, 31 Oct 1996 09:34:13 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id OAA02309; Mon, 28 Oct 1996 14:01:50 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id OAA02261; Mon, 28 Oct 1996 14:00:27 GMT Date: Mon, 28 Oct 1996 14:00:19 GMT Received: from [137.205.222.1] by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id OAA28727; Mon, 28 Oct 1996 14:00:19 GMT X-Sender: serai@mail.csv.warwick.ac.uk Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: D.P.Neilson@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Dave Neilson) Subject: National Outdoor Final Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO Despite the poor weather conditions, quite a crowd gathered to watch and cheer on the teams in the final - and what a spectacle they were to behold. Both teams used their wealth of disc skills to battle and score against zone defences as well as an extremely testing wind. Long hucks with the wind were proving to be an important feature of the match to gain territorial advantage even at the expense of possession, but scoring with the wind seemed almost as tricky as playing against it! My congratulations to both teams for providing such an excellent display and a special 'well done' to the pre-tournament underdogs who came out victorious 10-8 after the time cap ... 1 Twin Peaks 2 Bliss In addition to the Women's Division, there was also an Open Division final on a neighbouring pitch, but I don't know the score in that game. It featured the reigning National Champions (and newly crowned Southeast Regional Champions) Shotgun (London) against the current Southwest Regional Champions, Fluid Druids (Cardiff). More reports will doubtless follow .. Sam from Stan. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Oct 31 10:14:20 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id JAA04997; Thu, 31 Oct 1996 09:33:35 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id KAA26085; Wed, 30 Oct 1996 10:44:51 GMT Received: from lehman.Lehman.COM by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id KAA25938; Wed, 30 Oct 1996 10:42:00 GMT Received: (from smap@localhost) by lehman.Lehman.COM (8.6.12/8.6.12) id FAA23802 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 1996 05:40:58 -0500 Received: from relay.mail.lehman.com(192.9.140.112) by lehman via smap (V1.3) id tmp023796; Wed Oct 30 05:40:53 1996 Received: from londonvnm1.lehman.com by relay.lehman.com (4.1/LB-0.6) id AA11208; Wed, 30 Oct 96 05:40:49 EST Received: from london123.lehman.com by londonvnm1.lehman.com (4.1/Lehman Bros. V1.6) id AA11861; Wed, 30 Oct 96 10:40:12 GMT Date: Wed, 30 Oct 96 10:40:11 GMT From: aflores@lehman.com (Aram Flores) Message-Id: <9610301040.AA11861@londonvnm1.lehman.com> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Into the fray... Cc: aflores@lehman.com Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO Well I must say I am pleased with the degree of debate I ignited with my comments about the structure of British Ultimate teams (the now well known geo / non-geo argument). However, I must not have been clear enough in my suggestions because some of the replies I've received seem to indicate that I favour eliminating fun and friendship from the game. I want to stress that my desire to promote geo teams is aimed at the top of the Ultimate ladder, specifically teams that strive to win Nationals and contribute players to the National squad. I believe that there should continue to be teams, at certain tourneys, made up of alumni and old friends (April fools tourney in the states is a great example of such an event). However, as it stands in the UK, Shotgun was the only semi-final team at nationals that comes close to being geo. I think that this does not bode well for the future of British Ultimate on the world stage, as these teams are not likely to be as well prepared as your average US club team which will be practicing three days a week before World Clubs next summer. At this point I will turn to what I believe should be the typical "career path" for an ultimate player (which should also address mergers!). Obviously the earlier you start the better, so lets assume that you get in a few games in school. Next stop, a university, clearly selected on the track record of their ultimate team. Universities should provide a players a chance to develop skills and fitness, and just maybe learn a bit of strategy. Then comes the crucial next step, an "old boys" team or an established club? I believe that a steady stream of fresh legs, talent and enthusiasm is essential for any serious club team. It provides new grads with an opportunity to compete and PRACTICE with better players, and allows SERIOUS clubs a chance to improve their athleticism. It also creates an environment where older and youger players are on the same teams and hopefully learning from each other. This leads me to suggest that going from university to a local club should be the logical progression. Aram Sammy Wrote: > While I am not saying that de-merger is the best form of growth, I feel > that it might have been in the sport's best interests (AND in keeping with > the geo idea), if Shotgun had split into two teams several years ago and > recruited new local players. This sort of de-merger seems to have happened > many times in the competitive centres of Ultimate in the USA (am I right, > Aram?). Sorry Sammy, but during my time in NY I was party to so many mergers it made my head spin. The merger between the up and coming young team and the very serious parts of established teams is fundamental to US Ultimate. The NY team that dominated during the late 80's and early 90's was a merger of SPOT (young) and Kaboom (established). Boston is also a result of a big merger or three over the years. To be fair though there are usually two teams that form from a "merger", esentially "A" and "B" squads. So, respectfully, I remain convinced that mergers that create strong geo teams are good for the sport, especially if it involves recruiting recent grads. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Oct 31 10:17:10 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id JAA04885; Thu, 31 Oct 1996 09:31:49 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id IAA19845; Wed, 30 Oct 1996 08:45:46 GMT Received: from mail.rmplc.net by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id IAA19834; Wed, 30 Oct 1996 08:45:36 GMT Received: from acotgreave ([172.16.27.34]) by mail.rmplc.net (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA16973; Wed, 30 Oct 1996 08:45:34 GMT Message-Id: <199610300845.IAA16973@mail.rmplc.net> From: "Andy Cotgreave" To: "Britdisc" , Subject: Re: The nationals aftermath Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1996 08:45:17 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO Wayne, and all Britdiscers, I comnsider myself well and truly flamed, and probably deservedly so. My original post to Britdisc was not, in hindsight, worded very well, and I think was a result of the Monday morning blues. I really don't have anything to say in my defence. I do believe in what I said, but I failed to balance it all with the level of organisation that a tourny takes. And of course, since I have never even begun to think of organising my own tourny, who am I to whine? I also find Britdisc is a place where it is easy to come across in a different way that was intended. I deliberately post slightly opinionated stuff on here, just to see what response it gets, but I think I went a bit *too* far this time. The Nationals was great fun, and was well organised (apart from bits, which I should have seen as the more trivial bits), and I did wade into Britdisc without full knowledge of the facts. Next time I'll be more rational and constructive. Andy C From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Oct 31 10:20:54 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id JAA04739; Thu, 31 Oct 1996 09:29:36 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id LAA00997; Wed, 30 Oct 1996 11:58:08 GMT Received: from vulcan by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA00976; Wed, 30 Oct 1996 11:57:26 GMT Received: from hawk.le.ac.uk by vulcan with SMTP (PP); Wed, 30 Oct 1996 11:15:35 +0000 Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1996 11:14:54 +0000 (GMT) From: Scott X-Sender: iws1@hawk To: britdisc Subject: Re: Into the fray... In-Reply-To: <9610301040.AA11861@londonvnm1.lehman.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO Aram wrote; > learning from each other. This leads me to suggest that going from > university to a local club should be the logical progression. and.. > So, respectfully, I remain convinced that mergers that create strong geo > teams are good for the sport, especially if it involves recruiting recent > grads. As Aram pointed out at the weekend, we don't usually agree, but again I find myself towing his line (oer missus) The bummer is that most graduates first jobs are in London! However, if you have a viable local team and good team atmosphere players will try to find work nearby to stay in the fray! So Geo teams are good for the local economy as well! /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ SCOTT: Ian Scotland Tel: 0116 2525824 Fax: 0116 2523154 E-mail: iws1@le.ac.uk http://wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk/buf/ /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Oct 31 10:19:00 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id JAA04924; Thu, 31 Oct 1996 09:32:19 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id KAA27105; Wed, 30 Oct 1996 10:58:17 GMT Received: from newsgate.dircon.co.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id KAA26902; Wed, 30 Oct 1996 10:55:37 GMT Received: from dmotive.UUCP (dmotive@localhost) by newsgate.dircon.co.uk (8.6.12/8.6.9) with UUCP id KAA09134 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Wed, 30 Oct 1996 10:49:31 GMT Date: 30 Oct 96 10:46:09 +0000 From: Jonathan Schofield Subject: Planning Beyond the Short Term To: BritDisc Message-ID: <961030.104609@designmotive.co.uk> X-Mailer: InterCall 1.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hello BDers,=20 Reading between the lines of people's responses to Aram's 'pet peeve' abo= ut non-geo teams, they seem to be assuming that any regulations that migh= t be imposed upon teams to encourage the growth of 'geo' teams need to be= introduced all at once. This comes as no surprise, since we have a tende= ncy not to look past the next year. I see no reason why change shouldn't be phased in over time. For sure, we= will have different opinions about the optimum schedule. * The first objective should be to take a census of ultimate in the UK, s= o that we can make decisions on the basis of fact rather than hearsay.=20= * Once this is done, we can define what the regions will be in the contex= t of the demographics of our players and the proposed new structure of co= mpetition (see Si Hill's "at last"). * Then we can decide how many players of what type teams can field within= the first year, second year, third year and so on. Teams and individuals will have time to plan for change, and in time we w= ill have a spread of teams and a competition structure that achieves what= most people seem to feel is a good idea. As Si Hill has suggested, there is no reason why teams of any one nature = need feel 'outlawed' (to use Sam's phrase). Competition can be structured= to meet the needs of all types of teams. The problem at present is that = in trying to meet the needs of all types of team (with different prioriti= es and objectives) as one entity, we end up satisfying none.=20 As a final point, we often moan that we are not taken seriously as a spor= t. We will not get something for nothing. If we start behaving like we ta= ke ourselves seriously by structuring competition and team rosters, then = perhaps interest from sponsors, the media and the like will grow with us.= Jonathan Shotgun From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Oct 31 10:28:13 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id JAA04918; Thu, 31 Oct 1996 09:32:16 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id JAA22985; Wed, 30 Oct 1996 09:51:05 GMT Received: from venus.le.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id JAA22973; Wed, 30 Oct 1996 09:50:47 GMT Received: from hawk.le.ac.uk by venus.le.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Wed, 30 Oct 1996 09:57:37 +0000 Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1996 09:49:21 +0000 (GMT) From: Scott X-Sender: iws1@hawk To: DEREK ROBINS cc: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Re: Something (else) to stoke the fire... In-Reply-To: <7D61FBA4F61@admin.warwick.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO Del, Sam and BDers > Then again, being good mates can allow you to play the game without > yelling abuse at each other (no guarantee of course!) and that is > something which I value playing with STAN. It more than makes up for > the loss of competitive edge that we forego by not having team > practices. Both Sam and Del have focussed on the Alumni/ye olde mates set up of many a non-geo team in Britain and content the Hombres/Regulators merger as anticompetitive! I think they have become focussed on one particular scenario in a particularly blinkered way and been unfair on their view of the geo-team set-up. It may be true that for Stan the non-geo approach is the most appropriate because few of them have any local team to practice with and besides they all have the ex-Warwick tie. But to then argue against mergers to make teams stronger is somewhat hipocritical when they themselves have poached players from practicing geo teams in order to strengthen for World Clubs in the past (and possibly in the future?). My MAJOR complaint is that these Alumni teams offer promises of International/National glory and strip those players from DEVELOPING geo teams that could strengthen them and accelerate their development. Non-geo teams are strangling British Ultimate. > Del. > > PS Sean, have you and Ingo and Conor started that Brighton team yet? Del and Sam, how's that Kenilworth team coming along? What about Cambridge, Brimingham, Wolverhampton and Exeter to add but a few to the list! 1 bitter and twisted Scott /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ SCOTT: Ian Scotland Tel: 0116 2525824 Fax: 0116 2523154 E-mail: iws1@le.ac.uk http://wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk/buf/ /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Oct 31 10:29:09 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id JAA04750; Thu, 31 Oct 1996 09:29:50 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id LAA00763; Wed, 30 Oct 1996 11:53:58 GMT From: Wayne_Retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk Received: from sys4.cambridge.uk.psi.net by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA00684; Wed, 30 Oct 1996 11:50:54 GMT Received: by sys4.cambridge.uk.psi.net (8.7.5/SMI-5.5-UKPSINet) id KAA26152; Wed, 30 Oct 1996 10:44:04 GMT Received: from cc:Mail by rwatson.watsonwyatt.co.uk id AA846700750 Wed, 30 Oct 96 10:39:10 Date: Wed, 30 Oct 96 10:39:10 Encoding: 875 Text Message-Id: <9609308467.AA846700750@rwatson.watsonwyatt.co.uk> To: Rob Cole To: Britdisc Subject: Tournament fees, amtsjh@amsta.leeds.ac.uk, layoutdreams@phidelta.demon.co.uk Subject: Re: Tournament fees Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO Rob, > Also the tournament fee was GBP 85. For What? The bid was submitted to the BUF on the basis that we(Layout Dreams)'d keep costs as low as possible, and look at providing refunds to teams (if appropriate) after the tournament. It's a hell of a lot easier to give money back to teams than go around and ask them for more. If this wasn't the Nationals, we'd probably not be looking at giving refunds ('cos we're profiteering bastards :) ) > Take out GBP 10 for the BUF tax, actually (read the letter from Gavin Bates, BUF Treasurer) GBP 12.00 for Tax Anyway. We'll be publishing a financial report for the Nationals as soon as we've worked out what we spent and collected. We're awaiting a couple of invoices to pay and we've got to work out phonebills. Hopefully it will all go towards making future tournaments easier to run. Wayne From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Oct 31 10:38:08 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id JAA05086; Thu, 31 Oct 1996 09:34:35 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id LAA28461; Wed, 30 Oct 1996 11:19:52 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA28183; Wed, 30 Oct 1996 11:15:18 GMT Received: from stone.dcs.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA25905; Wed, 30 Oct 1996 11:15:08 GMT From: Ralf Message-Id: <10027.199610301114@stone.dcs.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: BritDisc archives To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1996 11:14:57 +0000 (GMT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO After a recent request, I decided to write a quick conversion program to convert the backlog of articles I have into web pages, for use as an archive. This will probably be made a lot prettier soon, but I thought that I might as well publicise the site as is. The web address is http://www.csv.warwick.ac.uk/~suaar/BritDisc/ Ralf. ____ ____ _ _ ____ __ _\__ \ _\__ \ / \ / \\__/ Ranulf Doswell /// / \_/ /_ / \_/ \ / / / /___ /// \ __ \\ __ \\ \ _\ \\_/ ralf@dcs.warwick.ac.uk __ /// \ \ \ \\ \ \ \\ \__/ \\ \ \\\/// \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \______/ \_/ http://www.csv.warwick.ac.uk/~mauer/ \XX/ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Oct 31 10:38:20 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id JAA05074; Thu, 31 Oct 1996 09:34:29 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id MAA01986; Wed, 30 Oct 1996 12:18:07 GMT Received: from ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id MAA01945; Wed, 30 Oct 1996 12:16:42 GMT Received: from dak12 by ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 0.57 #1) id 0vIZZV-0007N6-00; Wed, 30 Oct 1996 12:16:37 +0000 Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1996 12:16:36 +0000 (GMT) From: "D.A. Kemp" To: Britdisc Subject: Re: Into the fray... In-Reply-To: <9610301040.AA11861@londonvnm1.lehman.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO Aram Flores wrote: > Shotgun was the only semi-final team at nationals that comes > close to being geo. I think that this does not bode well for the > future of British Ultimate on the world stage OK Now I am confused. 1) All your close competitors this past weekend were non-geo teams. 2) You don't want to have to play teams you can beat decisively (who are mainly geo teams by my calculation, i.e. mainly student and school teams) Logically this leads to you having no competition in the near future (I stress near future) at all. Am I right or just being stupid? Don't flame me I am just trying to understand things. Dora Kemp Whatever does good should be held in honour, and the only shame is in doing harm From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Oct 31 10:43:52 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id JAA04908; Thu, 31 Oct 1996 09:32:08 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id KAA26055; Wed, 30 Oct 1996 10:44:42 GMT From: dmurray@soton.ac.uk Received: from beech.soton.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id KAA26034; Wed, 30 Oct 1996 10:43:53 GMT Received: from oak.soton.ac.uk (oak.soton.ac.uk [152.78.128.89]) by beech.soton.ac.uk (8.6.12/hub-8.5a) with ESMTP id KAA22290 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 1996 10:43:47 GMT Received: (from dmurray@localhost) by oak.soton.ac.uk (8.6.10/client-8.8) id KAA19244 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Wed, 30 Oct 1996 10:43:44 GMT Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1996 10:43:44 GMT Message-Id: <199610301043.KAA19244@oak.soton.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: geo teams X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO I feel Scott's point is correct the reason that geo teams are not developing is because it is a long term view. If you decided to form a local team now, then you are not talking about going to worlds next year but maybe in 3 or 5 years. too many players are not willing to make this sacrafice. this is true of me and others in southampton we have a large enough player base to start a southampton team (MR MEN) but this team would not be as competative as many of the players would wish by playing for teams like UTI and Druids I feel all these players are improving (as a coach of the skunks I can vouch for the difference playing a couple of tournaments for druids has made to some of our players). it enables these players to go to world championships and europeon tournaments. I agree that geo teams is the way forward, but only when the player base gets larger. it is OK for shotgun to encourage this when they have a large enough player base that they can remain geo based but still only pick up players of a certain qualitity Dave M UTI From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Oct 31 10:35:13 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id JAA05099; Thu, 31 Oct 1996 09:34:40 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id CAA08052; Wed, 30 Oct 1996 02:42:38 GMT Received: from violet.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id CAA08035; Wed, 30 Oct 1996 02:41:36 GMT Received: from relay-2.mail.demon.net by violet.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id AAA15689; Wed, 30 Oct 1996 00:10:21 GMT Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([(null)]) by relay-2.mail.demon.net id af09568; 30 Oct 96 0:06 GMT Received: from phidelta.demon.co.uk ([158.152.248.177]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id aa24619; 29 Oct 96 23:59 GMT Date: Tue, 29 Oct 1996 20:08:58 GMT From: Wayne Retter Reply-To: LayoutDreams@phidelta.demon.co.uk Message-Id: <3192@phidelta.demon.co.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Re: The nationals aftermath X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Lines: 150 Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hi all, Here's the most important bit (which was right at the end) of what has turned out to be a rather long message. In response to Andy Cotgreave's: > -anyone have any opinions on this Yep, me (suprise!). To everybody: Make a constructive list of what you liked; what you didn't like; what could have been better; what could have been done, and send it to Si Hill for his Tourney_Guidelines collective. We made a few mistakes, mostly minor (I hope). Hopefully next year will be better - which only leaves me to tell you that unless you get off your backsides then maybe we'll be doing it again (we have 2 sites provisionally booked already!) ---this is where it began--- Apologies to the innocent, whose names haven't been changed, and for being a bit picky in places, but I still ache and I've had a couple of BAD days at work, so I DID NOT need this: Andy "more of a whinger than Dave Murray" Cotgreave writes: > > (snip - some nice stuff!) > > However, there were a couple of things that I really thought were out of > order,... > > Most teams yesterday (Sunday) had to play three consecutive games... Well, 8 of 16, which by my reckoning is HALF of the teams > Now, I know that long games are better than short, but expecting players to > play over 4 hours of games without a real break is not only gruelling, but > potentially dangerous.... Fair comment. This was discussed at length with the BUF Director of Competitions and the final decision was that it had to be done, or else we'd have to have shorter games than in the earlier stages (which gets a bit silly!). It does, however make you more aware of how fit your team is, how efficient your offense and defense is and how much time you spent drinking instead of sleeping on Saturday night. You'll be better prepared for next time. > This was made worse by the fact that the 'breakfast' provided at the campsite > wasn't served until 30 minutes before games begun -not enough time to get > anything eaten and digested.... Breakfast arrived at 7.05. I was carrying it. The only team waiting for it to arrive were Strange Blue (they camped inside the marquee). Kenny was trying to decide whether to eat or visit the toilet at 7.30. Where were you ? > Also, the breakfast was a rip off. Ten pounds per team ... Lets see, Nationals, teams of say, 13 or more (even UTI had that many!) so thats less than ONE pound per person for as much as you can eat without being caught! Where else at 7.30 on a Sunday for that much ? > for the cheapest bread and jam that can be bought ... wanna bet ? Anyway, what about the Weetabix and Kellogs cornflakes (note the cheap brandnames) > ...does not get appreciated. Breakfast was available to teams that paid the EXTRA 10.00 in ADVANCE of the tournament (so we could plan food quantities, etc) and was not in the initial spec for the tournament. Apologies to all for Chris not including the B+B lists in the invites BTW. Checking the receords, we don't find an advance payment for breakfast from Chevron, so if you ate, please send me Ten Pounds, if you didn't, stop complaining. > Secondly, the end of tournament cermony was a real anti-climax. Agreed. Sorry. It is worth mentioning that it would be worth having a nonPlaying TD (or an Asst TD not in the final) to do some of the running around. Also, > Why Chris could not organise a proper spirit vote is beyond me... Try running a tournament and playing in a team that is determined to get to and win (if possible) the Final and putting 100 per cent into either or both of these objectives > (for those who weren't there, none of the organisers ... all 2 of us (maybe that's our problem) >...thought to collect spirit votes.... and nobody volunteered > and the trophy was given to Stan by default, it seems). actually, the Spirit trophy was given to Stan because they deserved it, which Si "the buck stops here" Hill asked as many people as possible around the pitch during the Final and they seemed to agree. Sorry he didn't ask you. > ... my point is that this is one of the most important aspects of the game, > especially for the teams who don't get into the top 5 or 6; why the "especially...". Sure, top 5/6 have the best chances of qualification for WUCC, but does this mean that they shouldn't be awarded Spirit because they already have one prize? > it angered me that this aspect of the tournament was ignored. and it angered me that we don't have many scores (except Strange Blue) on our scoresheets, especially after Chris asked you all so nicely in the Captains Meeting to fill in the sheets on the board. So we can't even help David from Strange Blue with his ranking program. > This *was* the National Finals after all, so every aspect of our sport should > be afforded the utmost respect So why should Chris and I work so hard to organise it in less than 3 months, to find that we were the only option that could guarantee a venue and then be told that it's a rip off and you're unhappy with it ? We could have just NOT had a Nationals, couldn't we ? > - including the women's tournament, which Chris also didn't seem to care > about, either. We have the utmost respect for the Women who managed to pull this event together in about 3 weeks (as far as we know). The deal was that there would be a quantity of women who wanted to play a tournament at Nationals so could they please have some pitches and maybe a trophy. I believe it was originally planned for 3 or 4 teams, at one point the rumours suggested 7 or 8, in the end there were 4 or 5. It was not that we didn't care, it was more that we had no hand in the organisation of this particular event. (PS to Liz, if she or Jon have read this far: the Funky Nuns say "thanks!") > These were my gripes about an otherwise okay tournament, and asking around > briefly, I know that there were a good number of people who agreed with me So why haven't they told us ? Thanks to all the people that said they'd enjoyed it and made constructive criticism. I'll try to remember it for next time I (help) run *any* tournament. (***this bit's right at the beginning) > Looking forward to indoors, ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^Wrong Sig. to use when discussing the Outdoor Nationals! Wayne _____________________________________________________________________________ Chris Hughes layoutDREAMS Wayne Retter +44/0-151-260-1840 LayoutDreams@phidelta.demon.co.uk +44/0-1737-242109 From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Oct 31 10:47:17 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id JAA04985; Thu, 31 Oct 1996 09:33:27 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id RAA17751; Wed, 30 Oct 1996 17:13:27 GMT Received: from mailsun.aber.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id RAA17715; Wed, 30 Oct 1996 17:12:04 GMT Received: from saturn.dcs.aber.ac.uk (actually host saturn.aber.ac.uk) by mailsun.aber.ac.uk with SMTP (XTPPst-c); Wed, 30 Oct 1996 17:07:44 +0000 Message-ID: <32778B3A.1A14@aber.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1996 17:07:07 +0000 From: ALEX EVANS X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (X11; I; SunOS 5.4 sun4m) To: britdisc Subject: Make room for my oar MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO First of all an apology for the ceremony at nationals. We had intended to ensure that the organisers would be free on Sunday afternoon, but this didn't quite come about. I didn't see Aram's original message, only the fallout, but I get the impression that Aram was suggesting some kind of legislation against non-geo teams. I think we're all agreed that regularly practicing geo teams are the way forward in terms of improving the quality of British ultimate, and such teams should be encouraged as much as possible. I also agree that it's a poor sign that three of the top four teams are non-geo and rarely train together. But I really don't think that outlawing those teams as they presently stand is the way to go (and I'd consider any enforced change in composition or restriction on playing at the top level, even phased in over an extended timescale, to be outlawing them). If a group of people want to play together, wherever they all live and regardless of whether they train together, why shouldn't they? And if they're good enough to perform at a high level why not? All the top teams in America are geo for two reasons: 1. It's a big country, you can't travel halfway across it to attend training. 2. The quality of ultimate dictates that top teams train regularly. (I'm fairly sure there's no legislation with regards where players actually live. Even if there were it would be redundant given point 1). Neither of these points apply to Britain, point 1 obviously never will. Which I think is why we're missing the point talking about geo vs non-geo, I think the issue is training vs non-training. Where the players actually live obviously has no direct effect upon how good the team is. Hopefully in the future these non-training teams will cease to exist at the top level, and what I mean by that is that the level of ultimate will rise to point that these teams will either start training regularly, or accept that they can't compete at that level any more. Therefore the impetus must come from below, from training teams improving to the extent that top teams are forced to do likewise, or from the top teams themselves realising that we're not going to close the gap on SW until we step it up. (I think it will happen of it's own accord, although at a very slow pace as things stand. Hopefully the coaching being talked about will speed things up). I think Aram and I want the same thing, but not at the same cost. I believe that imposition of such rules would remove some of the fun from the game, and it's not good enough to say that there's a place for non-geo teams of mates (the 'good teams at the top, spirited teams at the bottom' mentality that was slated by Si amongst others), if they're good enough let them play against geo-teams. Yes, I do have a vested interest in all this. I live in the sticks (Aberystwyth) and play for a non-geo team, but if I'm prepared to travel to Warwick, London, wherever, for training sessions (and I am, sort it out guys) then what right has anyone got to tell me that I can't play for that team, or that I must play for a more local team, or, given my location, that I must completely forego high level ultimate? Thanks to Wayne and the Hughes's for their work at the weekend, I'm sure your jam was the best that money can buy. Alex From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Oct 31 11:35:34 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id JAA05007; Thu, 31 Oct 1996 09:33:46 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id LAA27625; Wed, 30 Oct 1996 11:06:44 GMT Received: from amsta.leeds.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id LAA27590; Wed, 30 Oct 1996 11:06:01 GMT Received: from newton.leeds.amsta (newton.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.64]) by amsta.leeds.ac.uk (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA23343 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 1996 11:07:27 GMT Received: by newton.leeds.amsta (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA01224; Wed, 30 Oct 1996 11:09:42 GMT Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1996 11:09:42 GMT From: amtsjh@amsta.leeds.ac.uk (S J Hill) Message-Id: <199610301109.LAA01224@newton.leeds.amsta> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: last word X-Sun-Charset: ISO-8859-1 Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO Rather than get really annoyed about this I will try to explain patiently and sympathetically... and then can I suggest that Wayne might explain the financial bit a little and then we can all go back to the constructive job of working out how to organise things for 1997... Briefly on the schedule thing: did anyone notice that the top 5 teams all had at least 13 players? Do the "fatties" at Shotgun need all those subs due to lack of fitness? I did a bleep test with one of them last year. He is "several" years older than me - he kicked my arse. Even after losing 3 players on Sunday we still had more subs than our oppenents. With all this talk of geo-teams, can I also suggest that teams start to build up in size so that we can SAFELY schedule games of a proper length. I would like to genuinely apologize to people who felt it was a bit steep. As I explained before I thought it would be OK - I was obviously wrong and will be more careful in the future. Right. 85 GBP: > > For What? Did anyone notice the rather convenient big tent that was left lying around outside the sports hall at the weekend? It was possible to go inside and purchase confectionaries, and hot drinks; and shelter from Hurricane Lily. > > No party on Saturday night... That would truly have been a materpiece of organisation. Can you enlighten me as to *how* this might have been achieved. In late October very few people want to camp... we couldn't really afford the B&B for 28 people and so stayed with one of our team's parents. They were extremely kind and generous - but I fear that asking them to put up the other 15 teams would have been going too far. > > Also why should we pay Ł85 for no Saturday Breakfast? > > Take > > out Ł10 for the BUF tax, and that leaves Ł75 per team, from 16 teams. A > > quick > > bit of arithmetic reveals that this is Ł1200. Where did it all go? You > > can't > > tell me that pitch hire and prizes cost that much? 12 GBP BUF tax. Some subsidy of the SE Regionals in a (possibly unfair on the finalists) attempt to make the Regionals more accessible to the new teams in that region. Have you seen my phone bill? Can I also point out that you were in the cheapest regional? Also - we made the (apparently foolish) assumption that people would turn up to Nationals with relatively big squads - of the order of 14 - so that 85 quid wouldn't actually turn out to be that much. Finally, I think you may get something back from this. With all the *last minute WORK* involved in the womens tourney we were able to bring in some extra money... this can hence be used to offset the cost of the Open tourney a little. > >I know that Ł85 is not > > alot > > to some people, but for a bunch of students, 2 tournaments in 2 week-ends > > is > > not only a lot of time, but a lot of money as well. I don't mind if we are > > paying that much money for some worthy cause to promote all British > > Ultimate, > > but if that is the case, what is it? Sorry - but I'm going to lose my rag now. The whole bloody reason regionals and finals happen at this time of year is so that students can go and feel part of the whole thing. I am a student - and so are many of the members of my team. We enter all the outdoor tournaments. We appreciate how much it costs to put on a tournament - esp. outside the cushy world of student-ville where so many things come for free. (Eg Soton Outdoors where pitches do not to be paid for/ Exeter where pitches do not need to paid for.) After bending over backwards on behalf of the student population to have this thrown back I find a little hard to swallow. I suspect that this will also encite rage from Wayne who will probably let everyone in on the secret of finances... and then you may discover that the profit made by LayoutDreams as they ran SE and Finals was ALMOST CERTAINLY LESS THAN THAT MADE BY a) the lovely DOUBLE LOCKS TOURNEY (SW REG) b) the very charming CHEVRON/CATCH joint-effort (N&M REG) .... I will ignore the bit about spirit - its been gone over before. > > Oh yeah, I love to run around a pitch marked out by 4 walls made of > > re-inforced > > concrete... Long may outdoors rule our lives... > > Hope you are all recovering nicely, I know I'm not, Finally you talk some sense. Sorry for getting annoyed - I know I shouldn't - but PLEASE before slagging people so openly on BritDisc try to do three things 1. think. 2. talk to them privately. 3. try to write your criticisms in a more constructive manner. (I have just broken all 3 of these rules - but will try not to in the future.) I am looking for people interested in running INDOOR NATIONALS. Have a nice day - I'm going to switch off my email for a bit. Si From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Oct 31 10:47:54 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id JAA05085; Thu, 31 Oct 1996 09:34:35 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id AAA04034; Wed, 30 Oct 1996 00:29:48 GMT Received: from violet.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id AAA04016; Wed, 30 Oct 1996 00:28:47 GMT Received: from strowger.pass.theplanet.net by violet.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id AAA16675; Wed, 30 Oct 1996 00:28:23 GMT Received: from strowger.pass.theplanet.net by strowger.pass.theplanet.net via sendmail with bsmtp id for ; Wed, 30 Oct 96 00:21:03 +0000 (GMT) (/\##/\ Smail3.1.30.16 #30.4 built 29-jan-96) Received: from prs214mr(really [194.152.70.225]) by strowger.pass.theplanet.net via sendmail with smtp id for ; Wed, 30 Oct 96 00:19:59 +0000 (GMT) (/\##/\ Smail3.1.30.16 #30.4 built 29-jan-96) Message-Id: Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Michael Johnson" To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Dave Neilson) Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1996 00:17:25 +0000 Subject: the general nature of whores Reply-to: mj@glasgow.prestel.co.uk X-Confirm-Reading-To: mj@glasgow.prestel.co.uk X-pmrqc: 1 Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.01) Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hi to all, Umm...I just arrived here (the UK) and was trying to get into the culture of things when I saw this message and I thought I'd just ask a general question that pertains to the discussion. I used to play disc in the Midwest and we always used the term "whore" teams to describe a team that was thrown together at the tournament site from players that just traveled to the tournament without numbers enough to make up a squad of their own. In other words, there might be 3 players from team X, one from nowhere, and 5 from team Y and together they would form a team. Or maybe the one player would just go and play with an established team because there weren't enough whores around to make a whole team of them. So this brings me to my question, Is this not the case here? Because I was kinda hoping it was in order to get to play in some tournaments. mj > Date: Tue, 29 Oct 1996 17:35:49 GMT > To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk > From: D.P.Neilson@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Dave Neilson) > Subject: Re: Into the fray... > I am excited and interested in the discussions about geo / non-geo teams > (or telephone teams as we used to call them) and feel compelled to add my > thoughts to the debate. > > While I agree with Aram's observation about geo teams being the best way to > develop and foster team strength through regular practice, I find it > impossible to agree with the effective 'outlawing' of the non-geo team. By > all means encourage geo teams by explaining the clear benefits in terms of > training, but do not try to prevent teams who use Ultimate as the vehicle > which affords them the means to keep in touch with ex-college friends. > > I am acquainted with the USA phenomenon of Ultimate 'whore' teams, but that > is not the situation here in Britain. The non-geo teams are hardly ever > formed specifically to win an event (which I know happens in the states). > The non-geo teams are more closely related to the alumni teams which will > eventually form the basis of a Masters division. > > If, as Aram has stated, the real path to quality is to form geo teams (with > appropriate coaching input) - and I do not doubt this - then the non-geo > teams should soon be pushed down the quality table in the natural course of > things. > > > > Switching the subject to the merge / de-merge debate I (not surprisingly, > perhaps) support Derek's remark about the swallowing up of Regulators by > the shrinking Hombres squad. I think that the 'geo argument' of Aram's is > all too convenient an excuse to explain one of (if not THE) most blatant > examples of 'super-team' formation. I do not wish to sound bitter, but my > impression of the 'merger' was that it put paid to the most exciting new > development in British Ultimate for years. > > While I am not saying that de-merger is the best form of growth, I feel > that it might have been in the sport's best interests (AND in keeping with > the geo idea), if Shotgun had split into two teams several years ago and > recruited new local players. This sort of de-merger seems to have happened > many times in the competitive centres of Ultimate in the USA (am I right, > Aram?). > > > Just some thoughts ... > > Sam Neilson > > Stan (11 year old non-geo team) & > Suntans (10 year old INTERNATIONAL non-geo team) > > > > From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Oct 31 12:08:46 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id KAA06063; Thu, 31 Oct 1996 10:14:53 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id KAA26589; Thu, 31 Oct 1996 10:10:44 GMT Received: from venus.le.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id KAA26570; Thu, 31 Oct 1996 10:10:25 GMT Received: from hawk.le.ac.uk by venus.le.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Thu, 31 Oct 1996 10:17:16 +0000 Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 10:09:01 +0000 (GMT) From: Scott X-Sender: iws1@hawk To: ALEX EVANS cc: britdisc Subject: Re: Make room for my oar In-Reply-To: <32778B3A.1A14@aber.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO Alex wrote; > All the top teams in America are geo for two reasons: > 1. It's a big country, you can't travel halfway across it to attend > training. Agreed! > 2. The quality of ultimate dictates that top teams train regularly. > (I'm fairly sure there's no legislation with regards where players > actually live. Even if there were it would be redundant given point 1). Surely this applies in the UK! Ask yourself why Shotgun have been ontop for so long - I maintain that until there are more geo teams Shotgun will not get the competition they deserve! How many times this summer have we seen Shotgun grind out victories in close games - the kind of skill that is acknowledged as the result of regular practices. I agree that coaching is the way forward - the BFDF/BUF are working on coaching programmes, but that is beside the point at present as what is needed is the highly skilled players/coaches to get involved in their local ultimate scene (even if you don't initially play with them at tournaments) and pass on some of their knowledge. Players that do this stand to reap the rewards in years to come when they can step out 3 times a week and go to a high quality practice right on their doorstep..... and maybe even play for that team!? It's a credit to some of the top teams (Shotgun, Druids) that they are in their own way doing this already. Scott /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ SCOTT: Ian Scotland Tel: 0116 2525824 Fax: 0116 2523154 E-mail: iws1@le.ac.uk http://wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk/buf/ /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Oct 31 12:21:44 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id JAA05061; Thu, 31 Oct 1996 09:34:26 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id LAA29225; Wed, 30 Oct 1996 11:31:12 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA28896; Wed, 30 Oct 1996 11:24:57 GMT Received: from stone.dcs.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA26374; Wed, 30 Oct 1996 11:24:51 GMT From: Ralf Message-Id: <11768.199610301124@stone.dcs.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: BritDisc archives (Correction) To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1996 11:24:40 +0000 (GMT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO Aaargh! > The web address is http://www.csv.warwick.ac.uk/~suaar/BritDisc/ I meant: The web address is http://www.csv.warwick.ac.uk/~suaaz/BritDisc/ Ralf. ____ ____ _ _ ____ __ _\__ \ _\__ \ / \ / \\__/ Ranulf Doswell /// / \_/ /_ / \_/ \ / / / /___ /// \ __ \\ __ \\ \ _\ \\_/ ralf@dcs.warwick.ac.uk __ /// \ \ \ \\ \ \ \\ \__/ \\ \ \\\/// \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \______/ \_/ http://www.csv.warwick.ac.uk/~mauer/ \XX/ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Oct 31 12:29:38 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id JAA05046; Thu, 31 Oct 1996 09:34:15 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id SAA22863; Wed, 30 Oct 1996 18:49:43 GMT Received: from phidelta.demon.co.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id SAA22817; Wed, 30 Oct 1996 18:48:28 GMT Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1996 18:32:40 GMT From: LayoutDreams@phidelta.demon.co.uk (Wayne Retter) Reply-To: LayoutDreams@phidelta.demon.co.uk Message-Id: <3194@phidelta.demon.co.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Nationals: Lost and Found X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Lines: 18 Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO Apologies for having to do this, but .... Don't have a lot of Lost property, but it's stuff most people would miss (well, I would!) such as: BOOTS (2 pairs) TOWELS (one Red, one Orange) a pair of Sandals A brace/ear muff type thing (?) a WUGC94 hooded top pair of addidas shorts shirts (gooey kaplooie, airhead) If its yours, mail me before I donate it to Charity Wayne _____________________________________________________________________________ Chris Hughes layoutDREAMS Wayne Retter +44/0-151-260-1840 LayoutDreams@phidelta.demon.co.uk +44/0-1737-242109 From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Oct 31 12:38:48 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id JAA05035; Thu, 31 Oct 1996 09:34:08 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id SAA22778; Wed, 30 Oct 1996 18:47:46 GMT Received: from violet.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id SAA22521; Wed, 30 Oct 1996 18:42:56 GMT From: dmurray@soton.ac.uk Received: from beech.soton.ac.uk by violet.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id RAA02877; Wed, 30 Oct 1996 17:53:07 GMT Received: from oak.soton.ac.uk (oak.soton.ac.uk [152.78.128.89]) by beech.soton.ac.uk (8.6.12/hub-8.5a) with ESMTP id RAA01017 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 1996 17:52:58 GMT Received: (from dmurray@localhost) by oak.soton.ac.uk (8.6.10/client-8.8) id RAA08586 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Wed, 30 Oct 1996 17:52:56 GMT Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1996 17:52:56 GMT Message-Id: <199610301752.RAA08586@oak.soton.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: contacts X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO If anyone from the following teams has email can you contact me please Catch 22 Shotgun Druids Monks STAN Headrush Violent H cheers dave From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Oct 31 15:22:30 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id IAA02419; Thu, 31 Oct 1996 08:55:46 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id QAA15338; Wed, 30 Oct 1996 16:23:35 GMT Received: from arl-img-2.compuserve.com by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id QAA15149; Wed, 30 Oct 1996 16:20:05 GMT Received: by arl-img-2.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id LAA10538; Wed, 30 Oct 1996 11:19:26 -0500 Date: 30 Oct 96 11:12:25 EST From: Stuart Clark <101336.3664@compuserve.com> To: Britdisc Subject: Dangerous ground..... Message-ID: <961030161224_101336.3664_GHW119-1@CompuServe.COM> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO Rob, (and whoever else is interested) > Andy C may well have spoken out of turn and with what now reads as an > excess of vitriol when criticising what were, in the main, niggly > details from last weekend. However, in the course of the sound kicking > you all gave him, someone or other suggested that rather than blurt > his bile all over britdisc he should have a quiet word with the > venerable Simon Hill, i.e. keep his mouth shut. Well, yes but then no, I don't think that was what (Becca Humphries) was suggesting at all. Where did the idea come from that not putting your views on BD but speaking directly to a TD or Si Hill was the same as keeping your mouth shut? Yes, BD is a good forum for having an audience and promoting discussion - but whining is not discourse - it's all one way traffic (except of course for the flames of wrath such complaints provoke). Correct me if I'm wrong, but very little positive has come out of the cost/breakfast argument - lots of people jumped to the organisers defence, lots of nodding henchman are probably sitting at PC's agreeing with Andy Cotgreave's gripes. What was being suggested was that Andy could equally as well have communicated those gripes to Chris or Simon after the tournament and they would have certainly received an equal amount of attention as they are now but probably without such the knee jerk reaction involved in having to justify the running of the tournament to the whole British Ultimate community - I know Chris and Wayne are very open to constructive criticism of the tournaments they run and any comments are always appreciated - all that's being questioned here is the method in how those complaints were communicated. >It's interesting that for offering what he thought were genuine criticisms which >could well have struck chords with others he was pounced upon when another >person who shall remain nameless, primarily because I'm just not sufficiently >interested to go back and check, got away with some direct, personal and >ostensibly groundless abuse at the expense of Rob the Jester. Surely britdisc is >exactly the place where people should be able to moan about any detail of british >ultimate even if only so that the rest of us can carefully correct their misguided >attitudes. I don't think that's the reason he was pounced on at all. I think the reason he was pounced on was because of his, as you so rightly put it, misguided attitude. You will notice that all of the people jumping to Chris' defence are all people who have been tournament hosts, are players on teams who have been tournment hosts or are BUF officers. Believe it or not, this is not a coincidence. All of these people appreciate that a tournament is something that comes together over a period of months - not days. If you spend so much time organising something, trying your best to cover every detail, hearing someone complain about the quality of your jam is not very gratifying. I think you're right in that BD is the venue for "questioning" details of British Ultimate, not necessarily moaning about them, but my personal view is that the questions we should be asking are about organisation of the BUF/coaching/regionals/nationals/tournament formats/what the BUF can do for players and vice versa etc., peppered with tournament reports and seasoned in Dave Murray style humour!! We should be talking about the larger machinations of the BUF. If you get to the point where you're moaning about breakfast then you're back on the dangerous ground of the heated, now infamous Bog Roll debate after Ross a couple of years ago. Yes, these are complaints that may be worthy of attention and can be addressed, but you can rest assured that the quality of strawberry jam at next years Nationals is not high on the priority list of the BUF. It's been said before but I'll say it again - if people think they can do better then they should give it a shot. When they've hosted a cheap, PERFECT tournament with all the trimmings i.e. party, breakfast, quality hot showers and excellent changing facilities, no wind, blazing sunshine (no excuses for not booking the weather), then, and only then can they take the moral high ground and start criticising other tournament hosts. This is not another flaming of Andy Cotgreave, I know in the past that he and I have shared very similar views on a number of things and I do think that there were points he raised that do require looking at (breakfast not being one of them!! ;-)), but having been a tournament host myself once I couldn't rally to his cause on this occassion (Sorry mate!). No tournament is going to be perfect, maybe it's time we started to accept that and didn't expect too much from people. Minor gripes we can grin and bear (can't we?) BUT, If you do have a complaint - don't shut up, do talk to TD's and the BUF about it, just do it in the way that causes least offence to all the people who put all the work in. Potential whingers take note - if you talk to people at the event you're unhappy about, you may find that you will get satisfactory answers to your questions AND you won't get flamed from lots of disgruntled people on BD. That's got to be more agreeable to both parties hasn't it? Stu. SE RC Village - and he knows he is. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Oct 31 16:40:12 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id JAA05054; Thu, 31 Oct 1996 09:34:19 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id PAA09196; Mon, 28 Oct 1996 15:43:43 GMT Received: from pillar.elsevier.co.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id PAA08818; Mon, 28 Oct 1996 15:37:13 GMT Received: from snowdon.elsevier.co.uk (snowdon.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.197.164]) by pillar.elsevier.co.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with ESMTP id PAA10784 for ; Mon, 28 Oct 1996 15:34:02 GMT Received: from elsevier.co.uk (actually host ukgwmime01.elsevier.co.uk) by snowdon.elsevier.co.uk with SMTP (PP); Mon, 28 Oct 1996 15:36:40 +0000 Received: from ES#u#OXF-Message_Server by elsevier.co.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 28 Oct 1996 15:36:30 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 28 Oct 1996 15:36:53 +0000 From: Toby Green To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk, acotgreave@rmplc.net Subject: The nationals aftermath -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO Having organised a few tournaments in my time, and competed at the same time, I have some sympathy with Chris' handling of the presentation and Spirit vote gathering. The end of a tournament rushes up at one hell of a pace when you're an organiser, and it's easy to forget to organise the presentation properly when you're involved with the games. The key is to improve the organisation of nationals better, and for the BUF to set minimum standards in terms of staffing as well as fields etc. Had Chris delegated some more of the organisation he may have known who had come where at the end too! But you need staff if you're going to delegate. On the other matter of playing three games back-to-back, I know too that this can happen even if one tries to avoid it. I have been guilty of this myself, but at least it was not certain when planning the tournament. (I have had occasions where teams have lost unexpectedly and this has meant playing three on the trot.) What I objected to yesterday was the fact that it was planned that teams had to play three-in-a-row. This is really unacceptable and probably quite dangerous. Again the solution is for the tournament to be organised with a set of minimum standards set by the BUF, and if the organiser cannot meet the standards with their bid, they don't get to host it. Overall I feel that Chris did a good job. The fields were great, and marked up properly (which is rarely done), and without goalposts too. His parents managed to provide enough food during the day (I didn't have to suffer breakfast), and he had shelter and water nearby. Toby Green From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Oct 31 17:29:40 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id JAA05068; Thu, 31 Oct 1996 09:34:28 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id RAA16016; Tue, 29 Oct 1996 17:06:58 GMT Received: from dira.bris.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id RAA15719; Tue, 29 Oct 1996 17:00:26 GMT Received: from harrier.fen.bris.ac.uk (actually harrier1.fen.bris.ac.uk) by dira.bris.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Tue, 29 Oct 1996 16:59:49 +0000 Received: from 137.222.1.250.bris.ac.uk by harrier.fen.bris.ac.uk (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id QAA10916; Tue, 29 Oct 1996 16:57:06 GMT From: Rob Cole Reply-To: Rob Cole To: Britdisc Subject: Tournament fees Message-ID: Date: Tue, 29 Oct 1996 16:51:48 +0000 () Priority: NORMAL X-Mailer: Simeon for Win32 Version 4.0.7 X-Authentication: none MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO >=20 >=20 >=20 > > Most teams yesterday (Sunday) had to play three consecutive games. Now,= I > > know that long games are better than short, but expecting players to pl= ay > > over 4 hours of games without a real break is not only gruelling, but > > potentially dangerous. This was made worse by the fact that the > 'breakfast' > > provided at the campsite wasn't served until 30 minutes before games > begun > > - not enough time to get anything eaten and digested. Also, the breakfa= st > > was a rip off. Ten pounds per team for the cheapest bread and jam that > can > > be bought does not get appreciated. > >=20 >=20 > Way to go Andy. I injured me knee on Saturday and couldn't play on Sunday= ,=20 > unfortunately, but by the end of the 3 matches, each lasting up to 2 hour= s=20 > including a time cap, on the trott, they were all knackered. Our final > play-off=20 > was for 11/12th place against Red, and after 5 minutes most of the team= =20 > couldn't be bothered. No offense to Red who played well and hard and > deservedly=20 > won, but after over 11 hours of Ultimate on 2 days, the team were > knackered.=20 > This probably wasn't helped by us all being students and so unfit after o= ur >=20 > long holidays doing nothing but lazing around (I wish), but that is anote= hr >=20 > matter already gone over. Also the tournament fee was =A385. For What? No > party=20 > on Saturday night (well, I suppose we might go down the Green Man the? Ok= ? > ok.)=20 > Yes I know that this is the Nationals and all very serious, but why could= nt >=20 > there be a place where all the teams could meet, have a few quiet beers, > and=20 > talk over the days play. Most of the teams there we don't play regularly, > so it=20 > would have been nice to talk to some of them, but everyone went their own > way=20 > on Saturday night. Also why should we pay =A385 for no Saturday Breakfast= ? > Take=20 > out =A310 for the BUF tax, and that leaves =A375 per team, from 16 teams.= A > quick=20 > bit of arithmetic reveals that this is =A31200. Where did it all go? You > can't=20 > tell me that pitch hire and prizes cost that much? I know that =A385 is n= ot > alot=20 > to some people, but for a bunch of students, 2 tournaments in 2 week-ends > is=20 > not only a lot of time, but a lot of money as well. I don't mind if we ar= e=20 > paying that much money for some worthy cause to promote all British > Ultimate,=20 > but if that is the case, what is it? >=20 > > Secondly, the end of tournament cermony was a real anti-climax. Why Chr= is > > could not organise a proper spirit vote is beyond me (for those who > weren't > > there, none of the organisers thought to collect spirit votes, and the > > trophy was given to Stan by default, it seems). I'm not trying to deny > Stan > > the spirit trophy; my point is that this is one of the most important > > aspects of the game, especially for the teams who don't get into the to= p > 5 > > or 6; it angered me that this aspect of the tournament was ignored. Thi= s > > *was* the National Finals after all, so every aspect of our sport should > be > > afforded the utmost respect - including the women's tournament, which > Chris > > also didn't seem to care about, either. > >=20 >=20 > Again that man Mr C hits that nail. The best bit about Ultimate as a game > is=20 > the spirit. This set's it aside from almost every other sport, and we nee= d > to=20 > pick this aspect out as much as possible. I'm sure that everyone read the= =20 > article in Ultimatum about American Spirit, and I for one do not want tha= t > to=20 > happen here. We should work as hard as possible to look after the Spirit, > not=20 > just ignore it when we think that it might not matter, and especialy not = in > the=20 > National Finals. >=20 > > Looking forward to indoors, > > Andy C > > Chevron >=20 > Oh yeah, I love to run around a pitch marked out by 4 walls made of > re-inforced=20 > concrete... Long may outdoors rule our lives... > Hope you are all recovering nicely, I know I'm not, > =20 ---------------------- Rob Cole, #7 "The Governor" Mythago Captain, 1996-7 me3101@bris.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Nov 1 19:49:35 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id KAA28176; Fri, 1 Nov 1996 10:23:37 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id KAA28501; Fri, 1 Nov 1996 10:13:54 GMT Received: from ns.bowker-saur.co.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id KAA28333; Fri, 1 Nov 1996 10:10:46 GMT Received: from mailhost.bowker-saur.co.uk ([193.130.231.229]) by ns.bowker-saur.co.uk (Netscape Mail Server v2.0) with SMTP id AAA43 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 1996 10:08:07 +0000 Received: from cc:Mail by mailhost.bowker-saur.co.uk id AA846842957; Fri, 01 Nov 96 09:37:41 GMT Date: Fri, 01 Nov 96 09:37:41 GMT From: "Grigson, Edward" Encoding: 11 Text Message-Id: <9610018468.AA846842957@mailhost.bowker-saur.co.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Contact Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hi guys and gals, No real discussion prompting issues here I'm afraid, I'm trying to find any Oxford Sharks with email addresses - if you're out there, let me know please! I've played for the Sharks at the last few tournaments, but due to geographical probs and the fact that I'm never in I find it difficult to get in touch. Cheers, Ed. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Nov 4 07:51:48 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id HAA05773; Mon, 4 Nov 1996 07:51:44 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id HAA10768; Mon, 4 Nov 1996 07:48:27 GMT Received: from crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id HAA10763; Mon, 4 Nov 1996 07:48:09 GMT Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 07:48:04 GMT From: Mr R C Doswell Message-Id: <6584.199611040748@crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Received: by crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk id HAA06584; Mon, 4 Nov 1996 07:48:04 GMT To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: (UK) BUF Events Reminder Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO British Ultimate Federation Disc Events Diary --------------------------------------------- November 1996 ------------- Saturday 9 November 1996 BDGA Singles Matchplay World Championships (top 16 only) (2 days) (Non-Ultimate) @ Quarry Park Mythago Beginners Tourny (2 days) @ Bristol Saturday 16 November 1996 Edinburgh Beginners Tournament (2 days) @ Edinburgh, UK Indoor tourny (2 days) @ Priory school, Hitchen. Saturday 23 November 1996 Wolves Old Boys and Girls Tourny (2 days) Saturday 30 November 1996 SFA Indoor tourny (2 days) @ Farnborough, Hants Student Indoor Regionals (2 days) TBC December 1996 ------------- Saturday 7 December 1996 Stanmer Park Disc Golf Tournament (2 days) (Non-Ultimate) @ Stanmer Park Saturday 14 December 1996 Southampton Indoors (2 days) @ Southampton February 1997 ------------- Saturday 8 February 1997 Newport Indoors (2 days) @ Newport Saturday 22 February 1997 BUF Student Indoor Finals (2 days) @ Leeds (TBC) March 1997 ---------- Saturday 1 March 1997 National Indoor Regionals (2 days) Saturday 8 March 1997 Warwick Indoors (2 days) @ Coventry Saturday 22 March 1997 National Indoor Finals (2 days) April 1997 ---------- Saturday 26 April 1997 Student Outdoors (2 days) TBC August 1997 ----------- Saturday 23 August 1997 1997 BDGA Championships (2 days) (Non-Ultimate) TBC --------------------------------------------------------------- British Ultimate Federation Disc Events Diary http://www.csv.warwick.ac.uk:5201/cgi-bin/diary Ranulf Doswell, ralf@dcs.warwick.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Nov 4 11:24:41 1996 Received: from clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA08688; Mon, 4 Nov 1996 11:24:36 GMT Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA04569; Mon, 4 Nov 1996 11:24:31 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id QAA20506; Thu, 31 Oct 1996 16:56:07 GMT Received: from haymarket.ed.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id QAA20389; Thu, 31 Oct 1996 16:52:53 GMT Received: from srv0.civ.ed.ac.uk (srv0.civ.ed.ac.uk [129.215.60.200]) by haymarket.ed.ac.uk (8.6.13/8.6.12) with ESMTP id QAA04005 for ; Thu, 31 Oct 1996 16:52:41 GMT Received: from CIV-SRV0/SpoolDir by srv0.civ.ed.ac.uk (Mercury 1.21); 31 Oct 96 16:54:50 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by CIV-SRV0 (Mercury 1.30); 31 Oct 96 16:54:31 +0000 From: "BARRY O'KANE" Organization: Civil Engineering, Edinburgh Uni To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 16:54:23 +0000 Subject: Edinburgh Beginners - Final notice Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Message-ID: <15A03F34602@srv0.civ.ed.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hi all, Dispite having enlarged the tournament this year we are already down to 3 places left - so if you want to come to the biggest ultimate party this side of anywhere then get in touch NOW! BARRY From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Nov 4 11:26:25 1996 Received: from clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA08983; Mon, 4 Nov 1996 11:26:20 GMT Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA04677; Mon, 4 Nov 1996 11:26:15 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id NAA09152; Thu, 31 Oct 1996 13:21:50 GMT Received: from dira.bris.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id NAA08977; Thu, 31 Oct 1996 13:18:37 GMT Received: from harrier.fen.bris.ac.uk (actually harrier1.fen.bris.ac.uk) by dira.bris.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Thu, 31 Oct 1996 13:14:56 +0000 Received: from F88 by harrier.fen.bris.ac.uk (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id NAA10253; Thu, 31 Oct 1996 13:14:47 GMT From: me3137 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Mythago Begginers Tournament Message-ID: Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 13:14:43 +0000 (GMT) Priority: NORMAL X-Mailer: Simeon for Windows Version 4.0.9 X-Authentication: none MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO To anyone who was interested. Unfortunately the Mythago begginers tournament has been cancelled due to a lack of venue. The only remmaining possibility is the Downs, and in Mid November, trying to have a begginers game there is no fun, beleive you me. The Mythago Mud Bowl is looking good, providing we can get access to our Sports Facilities, rather that those rugby or footy B'Strds hogging it all the time. Once again, apologies for all those of you who got interested. See you all later, ---------------------- Rob Cole, #7, "The Guv'nor" Mythago Captain, 1996-7 me3101@bris.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Nov 4 11:28:30 1996 Received: from clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA09281; Mon, 4 Nov 1996 11:28:25 GMT Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA04749; Mon, 4 Nov 1996 11:28:21 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id RAA23211; Thu, 31 Oct 1996 17:42:23 GMT Received: from violet.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id RAA23141; Thu, 31 Oct 1996 17:41:00 GMT Received: from admin.warwick.ac.uk by violet.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id NAA17028; Thu, 31 Oct 1996 13:25:29 GMT Received: from SIGMA/MERCURY by admin.warwick.ac.uk (Mercury 1.21); 31 Oct 96 13:24:00 +0000 Received: from MERCURY by SIGMA (Mercury 1.21); 31 Oct 96 13:23:44 +0000 From: "DEREK ROBINS" Organization: University of Warwick, CV4 7AL, UK To: Britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 13:23:38 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Something (else) to stoke the fire... Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.1 (R1a) Message-ID: <80034E83BA0@admin.warwick.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO Scott and BD'ers, I am feeling rather misrepresented and falsely accused by my regional buddy Scott who has accused me and Sam of being ... > unfair on their view of the geo-team set-up. Please explain how, we both said we supported the concept? and then ... > But to then argue against mergers to make teams stronger is > somewhat hipocritical when they .... I have never argued against mergers per se, I merely made an observation that the Shotgun merger made for less interesting finals. > My MAJOR complaint is that these Alumni teams offer promises of > International/National glory and strip those players from DEVELOPING > geo teams that could strengthen them and accelerate their development. > Non-geo teams are strangling British Ultimate. Now I agree 100% with this, so please don't see me as being in any way anti-geo team. However if you want to call me a hypocrite then here is your opportunity - I am hoping to play in a STAN based Masters team at the next World Clubs. I hold my hands up and admit this is selfish and may lead to the odd bit of poaching. vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv I ask the Britdisc Jury to consider whether the BUF should seek to institute any rules which would prohibit or restrict the formation of such a team. YES or NO? Send your votes to me. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ NB Please vote on the DESIRABLILITY of instituting restrictions. A separate issue is the practicality and enforcability which would I think be horrendous and drag the BUF into a damaging role as arbiter on contentious rules. So as not to get wrongly flamed this is a bit of fun but with an important question at heart. The desirability of geo teams is agreed by many if not most but do the wired and wonderful people on britdisc think there is a collective good which warrants some loss of individual freedom. Del (Looking forward to visiting Vancouver where my whole infatuation with discs began 23 years ago) *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*- Derek Robins | | D.J.Robins@admin.warwick.ac.uk Management Accountant | | Tel 01203 523523 x2710 Finance Office | | Fax 01203 524573 University of Warwick | | Room 343 Coventry CV4 7AL | | Senate House *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*- From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Nov 4 11:29:22 1996 Received: from clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA09409; Mon, 4 Nov 1996 11:29:18 GMT Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA04793; Mon, 4 Nov 1996 11:29:13 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id MAA04934; Thu, 31 Oct 1996 12:18:52 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id MAA04667; Thu, 31 Oct 1996 12:14:10 GMT Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 12:13:45 GMT Received: from [137.205.222.1] by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id MAA06312; Thu, 31 Oct 1996 12:13:45 GMT X-Sender: serai@mail.csv.warwick.ac.uk Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: mj@glasgow.prestel.co.uk From: D.P.Neilson@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Dave Neilson) Subject: Re: the general nature of whores Cc: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO [Cc to BD for info] Michael, Since it was my posting that has caused confusion, I will try to explain what I meant ... and didn't mean! There seems to be several types of 'mixed bag' teams that compete in many tournaments both in Britain and the US. Let me try to characterise some of them and then add the labels that I intended: Types of 'mixed bag' teams ========================== A) players (in groups of about five or less) show up at an event with not enough to enter as they stand - this could be because some players had to drop out last minute OR that this band of heroes felt confident of 'picking up' with a team. -> these player either form a PICK-UP team with other floating players or they GUEST for a team that has enough to enter but could use extra legs [I did a lot of this while touring the USA and I have also done this in Britain] B) players live (and so can train) in a certain geographical area -> these are the GEO teams (the name coined by Aram Flores) C) players that used to play together (proabably as a student team which is a special form of GEO team) become dispersed across the country - they hardly ever train (if at all) but they like to get together at tournaments to catch up on news as well as to play together again. -> this is a social or ALUMNI team [the type that I (usually) play for] D) some players have multiple allegiances (maybe as a result of GUESTING or because they have changed location several times) and they like to chop and change which team they play for at any given event - sometimes they don't pre-arrange this [see A above], but many times they do ... -> this might be your typical Ultimate WHORE [I like to do this at times] E) on rare occasions, a group of experiences WHORES might co-ordinate their travel plans to form a special type of PICK-UP team, i.e. one that has been organised enough to pre-register for the event - this is subtlely different from the ALUMNI team and might typically have the ulterior motive of trying to win the event. -> this can be called an ALL-STAR team, but more typically is termed a team of WHORES - this type of team is very rare in Britain, but I believe (and I may be wrong) that such teams occur in the USA. So apart from (E), all of the above types of team and player exist (fairly) happily together here in Britain. The recent discussion that you have happened upon is talking about how we (as a player community) help to shape the future to encourage both quantity and quality to grow in Britain without loss of flexibility and fun. One of the motivating factors is to improve the competitiveness of British club and national teams on the European and World stage. Welcome to Britain and I hope you have some Ultimate fun here - see on the pitch sometime. Cheers, Sam Neilson ============================ Still Aimlessly Meandering Still Thinking About Nothing SUNTANS Veteran From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Nov 4 11:31:38 1996 Received: from clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA09734; Mon, 4 Nov 1996 11:31:34 GMT Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA04958; Mon, 4 Nov 1996 11:31:29 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id MAA05266; Thu, 31 Oct 1996 12:24:13 GMT Received: from mailsun.aber.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id MAA05222; Thu, 31 Oct 1996 12:22:52 GMT Received: from saturn.dcs.aber.ac.uk (actually host saturn.aber.ac.uk) by mailsun.aber.ac.uk with SMTP (XTPPst-c); Thu, 31 Oct 1996 12:08:21 +0000 Message-ID: <327896A8.5B6A@aber.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 12:08:08 +0000 From: ALEX EVANS X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (X11; I; SunOS 5.4 sun4m) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: iws1@leicester.ac.uk CC: britdisc Subject: [Fwd: Re: Make room for my oar] Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------51B9636975" Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO --------------51B9636975 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Scott replied: > > 2. The quality of ultimate [in the U.S.] dictates that top teams train regularly. > Surely this applies in the UK! Ask yourself why Shotgun have been > ontop for so long - I maintain that until there are more geo teams > Shotgun will not get the competition they deserve! I agree that that's why Shotgun are where they are i.e. the quality of British ultimate dictates that the top team trains regularly. Yes, they deserve better opposition (and to lose occasionally), and that opposition won't be of the non-geo non-training type we see now. I'll concede that my point 2 applies here, but only to a very weak extent. We're finally realising that we have to start training to overhaul Shotgun, but as things are non-geo teams can run them close. In America you'd have to train to avoid being embarassed at regional level. I think it's just a question of semantics. If you take 'top teams' to mean top one or two, then yes, it applies here. I intended it to mean Nationals level i.e. top 10/15, in which case it certainly doesn't. Alex --------------51B9636975 Content-Disposition: inline Content-type: message/rfc822 Return-Path: Delivery-Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 11:10:43 +0000 Received: from infoserv.aber.ac.uk by mailsun.aber.ac.uk with SMTP (XTPPst-c); Thu, 31 Oct 1996 10:14:59 +0000 Received: by infoserv.aber.ac.uk (5.65v3.2/Aber-SMAP/PP8.1 ) id AA17914; Thu, 31 Oct 1996 10:10:28 GMT Received: from venus.le.ac.uk(143.210.16.123) by infoserv.aber.ac.uk via smap (V1.3) id sma017939; Thu Oct 31 10:10:26 1996 Received: from hawk.le.ac.uk by venus.le.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Thu, 31 Oct 1996 10:17:16 +0000 Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 10:09:01 +0000 (GMT) From: Scott X-Sender: iws1@hawk To: ALEX EVANS Cc: britdisc Subject: Re: Make room for my oar In-Reply-To: <32778B3A.1A14@aber.ac.uk> Message-Id: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/PLAIN; charset="US-ASCII" Alex wrote; > All the top teams in America are geo for two reasons: > 1. It's a big country, you can't travel halfway across it to attend > training. Agreed! > 2. The quality of ultimate dictates that top teams train regularly. > (I'm fairly sure there's no legislation with regards where players > actually live. Even if there were it would be redundant given point 1). Surely this applies in the UK! Ask yourself why Shotgun have been ontop for so long - I maintain that until there are more geo teams Shotgun will not get the competition they deserve! How many times this summer have we seen Shotgun grind out victories in close games - the kind of skill that is acknowledged as the result of regular practices. I agree that coaching is the way forward - the BFDF/BUF are working on coaching programmes, but that is beside the point at present as what is needed is the highly skilled players/coaches to get involved in their local ultimate scene (even if you don't initially play with them at tournaments) and pass on some of their knowledge. Players that do this stand to reap the rewards in years to come when they can step out 3 times a week and go to a high quality practice right on their doorstep..... and maybe even play for that team!? It's a credit to some of the top teams (Shotgun, Druids) that they are in their own way doing this already. Scott /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ SCOTT: Ian Scotland Tel: 0116 2525824 Fax: 0116 2523154 E-mail: iws1@le.ac.uk http://wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk/buf/ /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ --------------51B9636975-- From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Nov 4 11:32:16 1996 Received: from clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA09832; Mon, 4 Nov 1996 11:32:12 GMT Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA04991; Mon, 4 Nov 1996 11:32:07 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id NAA05778; Wed, 30 Oct 1996 13:26:59 GMT Received: from oxmail4.ox.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id NAA05700; Wed, 30 Oct 1996 13:25:03 GMT Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk by oxmail4 with SMTP (PP) with ESMTP; Wed, 30 Oct 1996 13:25:06 +0000 Received: from localhost (immd0001@localhost) by ermine.ox.ac.uk (1.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA17771 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 1996 13:24:55 GMT Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1996 13:24:55 +0000 (GMT) From: paul meaney To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: the aftermath of The nationals aftermath In-Reply-To: <3192@phidelta.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO (apologies,this is a long 'un - please skip if you don't care!) Hello all, I have been following the debate concerning the points raised by Andy 'whinger' Cotgreave (now, not many people know that that's his full name) about the nationals, and I must confess at being stunned at the indifferent "if-you-can-do-better-then-do-it-yourself" attitude of the organisers. Stuff the breakfast (10 quid per TEAM is MORE than reasonable, if it was 10 quid per head for bread and jam, then I would be miffed), sod the closing ceremony (dark, cold, 'orrible weather). The two things that must be addressed are: spirit and game length. Andy "whinger" C wrote > > Now, I know that long games are better than short, but expecting players to > > play over 4 hours of games without a real break is not only gruelling, but > > potentially dangerous.... Wayne 'diplomat' R responded... > It does, however make you more aware of how fit your team is, how efficient > your offense and defense is and how much time you spent drinking instead of > sleeping on Saturday night. You'll be better prepared for next time. now from what I gather, games had a 2 1/2 hour cap, and first to 21 (information from Andy Standring ex- monks now Druid Scum II so if I am wrong, hit him,not me!). Sorry kiddies, if this was a mickey mouse, middle of the season, first to 13/ or forty five minutes let's finish up and go to the bar god I shouldn't have eaten that kebab last night tournament, then fair enough. At the world chmpionships where full rules applied (I believe Ian Stebbins mantioned 'game slots') Teams played in one time slot in the morning and one in the afternoon and had at maximum two consecutive games. I mean look, there is a possibility, given your scheduling than some poor sods woulds have had to play SEVEN HOURS CONSTANMT ULTIMATE. THAT IS DANDGEROUS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! as I say, three consecutive 45 min ganes are do-able, but nobody can expect to give their all in the last five points of the third game after having played two conseutive games previously TO TWENTY ONE!!! What if that match is important? You might as well give the other teams a free win for gods sake If your problem is scheduling to account for the loss in light then have the damn event EARLIER ON THE YEAR, or have it with shorter games, but on this score you cannot have your cake and eat it. Now , spirit. Sorry Wayne, but your comments were ill- advised to say the least. > > > Why Chris could not organise a proper spirit vote is beyond me... > > Try running a tournament and playing in a team that is determined to get > to and win (if possible) the Final and putting 100 per cent into either or > both of these objectives sorry chief, but that is no excuse. You agreed to ORGANISE AND RUN THE 1996 BRITISH NATIONAL OUTDOOR ULTIMATE CHAMPIONSHIPS, not an outdoor practice followed by a piss up. If you were not prepared to make a sacrifice then you should have not entered into the arrangement. I am sure many tournament organisers have given up playing in their tounament (I have), or at least had enough people helping them so that the TD could go and play knowing that the tournament was in safe hands. If you didn't think of this then your tounament plannig was flawed to say the least. that is one of the first things you do!!!!! > > > (for those who weren't there, none of the organisers ... > > all 2 of us (maybe that's our problem) > yep!!! you'll know for next time. > >...thought to collect spirit votes.... > > and nobody volunteered I am sorry to all on britdisc but COBBLERS!!!! Any half decent tournament director knows: WHEN IN DOUBT, DELEGATE!!!!. what was wrong with grabbing one of the other druids, or one of the hundreds of people there and saying "'scuse me, but do you mind going round and asking for spirit votes." That is a pile of garbage and shows (to me) how little the sprit of the game seems to be valued. That should have been one of the first things on your TD scedule (IMHO) andy C wrote: > > This *was* the National Finals after all, so every aspect of our sport should > > be afforded the utmost respect Wayne replied: > > So why should Chris and I work so hard to organise it in less than 3 months, to > find that we were the only option that could guarantee a venue and then be told > that it's a rip off and you're unhappy with it ? We could have just NOT had a > Nationals, couldn't we ? Sorry Wayne but Andy C wins here. You never answered his point, you just moaned. So by not providing a counter- argument, I have to agree with Andy!!. This was the 1996 Ultimate Nationals and Spirit of the Game was ignored. that has really incensed me. Maybe it's the Sneeekys legacy, but I hold Spirit in damn high regard. I mean for gods sake people, it's the only thing that separates Ultimate from any other run of the mill sport - our self refereeing status DEPENDS on SOTG. If we ignore spirit, then we could go the way of the Americans - have referees and red cards and all that routine crap. We need spirit ,and thankfully I have only seen a few displays of *really* bad spirit in this country over the past nine years, and to see SOTG ignored and left to a last minute "Oh shit - what about spirit, ah sod it 'Simon!!! - see what people think willya' " Is a load of horsemuck To those in Layout Dreams (nice hats, btw) - I am not criticising the tournament. What I am concerned about is that you (thankfully) put forward a bid and then organised a tournament onm this scale without seeming to draw on the vast wealth of tournament organisational knowledge here in the UK (Scotty, Charlie Mead, Toby Green - to name but a few). A couple of humble phone calls along the lines of "er.....how do you do this?" and right now I wouldn;t be feeling so damn mad!!!!! I realise that people want to let this lie. It is done. I just hope that spirit will not be treeated with such a cavalier attitude in future National events. That should be a source of concern to all who hold SOTG in high regard. Paul, PS - e- mail me in person if you violently disagree. I am pretty good at flame wars! //////////////////////////////////\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ ****************************************************************************** Kryten: sir, you must forgive Mr Rimmer, he's suffering from a stress- related nervous disorder Lister: Next time I see him he'll be suffering from a fist- related teeth disorder ****************************************************************************** \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\//////////////////////////////////////////// From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Nov 4 11:36:30 1996 Received: from clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA10433; Mon, 4 Nov 1996 11:36:26 GMT Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA05153; Mon, 4 Nov 1996 11:36:19 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id VAA05437; Thu, 31 Oct 1996 21:59:31 GMT Received: from phidelta.demon.co.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id VAA05301; Thu, 31 Oct 1996 21:55:56 GMT Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 21:52:25 GMT From: Wayne@phidelta.demon.co.uk (Wayne Retter) Reply-To: Wayne@phidelta.demon.co.uk Message-Id: <3282@phidelta.demon.co.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Apologies for Bounced Mail X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Lines: 11 Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO Dear all, Apologies if you get mail bounced from my work account (Wayne_Retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk) - it does exist, but the server is having a few problems and may possibly shut down at weekends (!) If it annoys enough people, I'll unsubscribe it. Wayne Wayne Retter Wayne@phidelta.demon.co.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Nov 4 11:37:04 1996 Received: from clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA10547; Mon, 4 Nov 1996 11:37:00 GMT Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA05189; Mon, 4 Nov 1996 11:36:54 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id MAA06558; Fri, 1 Nov 1996 12:53:23 GMT From: dmurray@soton.ac.uk Received: from beech.soton.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id MAA06528; Fri, 1 Nov 1996 12:52:20 GMT Received: from oak.soton.ac.uk (oak.soton.ac.uk [152.78.128.89]) by beech.soton.ac.uk (8.6.12/hub-8.5a) with ESMTP id MAA24301 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 1996 12:52:14 GMT Received: (from dmurray@localhost) by oak.soton.ac.uk (8.6.10/client-8.8) id MAA17035 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Fri, 1 Nov 1996 12:52:07 GMT Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 12:52:07 GMT Message-Id: <199611011252.MAA17035@oak.soton.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: nationals X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO I do not understand what happens to students in the summer are they locked away?? where do there disappear to just because they are not at university does not mean they cannot play if nationals is important to them then they will get a team together every open team in the country manages this week in week out how hard is it for a student team to phone round and tell their team when to turn up skunks always managed it when I used to play for them dave M From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Nov 4 11:37:15 1996 Received: from clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA10600; Mon, 4 Nov 1996 11:37:11 GMT Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA05197; Mon, 4 Nov 1996 11:37:07 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id MAA05019; Fri, 1 Nov 1996 12:17:10 GMT Received: from dira.bris.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id MAA04952; Fri, 1 Nov 1996 12:15:23 GMT Received: from harrier.fen.bris.ac.uk (actually harrier1.fen.bris.ac.uk) by dira.bris.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Fri, 1 Nov 1996 11:50:20 +0000 Received: from M12 by harrier.fen.bris.ac.uk (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA01604; Fri, 1 Nov 1996 11:50:02 GMT From: Rob Cole To: Britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Re: nationals Message-ID: Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 11:49:50 +0000 (GMT) Priority: NORMAL X-Mailer: Simeon for Windows Version 4.0.9 X-Authentication: none MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO On Fri, 1 Nov 1996 10:11:22 GMT dmurray@soton.ac.uk wrote: > Just quickly put in my backing > > I would be keen for the option of a series of qualifing tournaments > over the summer, ending with nationals mid - end september > > dave M One small flaw with this (or not, depending on your view). How many student teams are in existence over the summer? Not very many. After the end of June almost every single student team folds until October, so students couldn't qualify for the Nationals in this way. One possible way around this is for the top 2 Student teams (decided at National Student outdoors) to automatically qualify. The only problem then is that all the other students loose out on the chance to play some of the top teams at qualifiers, and learn from them, so defeating the point of the current system. ---------------------- Rob Cole, #7 "The Guv'nor" Mythago Captain 1996-7 me3101@bristol.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Nov 4 11:37:57 1996 Received: from clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA10705; Mon, 4 Nov 1996 11:37:53 GMT Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA05251; Mon, 4 Nov 1996 11:37:48 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id SAA18565; Fri, 1 Nov 1996 18:57:57 GMT Received: from beech.soton.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id SAA18546; Fri, 1 Nov 1996 18:57:01 GMT Received: from willow.soton.ac.uk (willow.soton.ac.uk [152.78.128.20]) by beech.soton.ac.uk (8.6.12/hub-8.5a) with ESMTP id SAA15668 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 1996 18:56:54 GMT Received: (from ajk194@localhost) by willow.soton.ac.uk (8.6.10/client-8.8) id SAA15300 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Fri, 1 Nov 1996 18:54:15 GMT Message-Id: <199611011854.SAA15300@willow.soton.ac.uk> Subject: nationals To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk (British Disc Mailing List) Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 18:54:15 +0000 (GMT) From: "Fergal" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO > I do not understand > what happens to students in the summer > are they locked away?? No they just disperse to the far reaches of the country, and even go on holiday while they have the time. Many go without leaving their home address or phone number. I guess that if the system meant that student teams had to play in the summer, contacts could be left. We tried it this summer, I had the numbers of most of the club, however only 6 were available to make it to Ross and 5 went to Ilkley. Not the best turn out for a team trying to gain a place at the Nationals. You may say, well if they can't field the players at these summer tournaments why should they contend for a place at nationals. Okay so then the next problem would be, 6 players turn up, they pick up several "good" players to make up a team. Will this be valid for National qualification?? > every open team in the country manages this week in week out I remember a few open teams turning up to tournaments this summer with say 6 regular players, would they loose out too. You may know one of them. > skunks always managed it when I used to play for them I would like things this way, I don't particularly enjoy not being able to play for my team over the summer. Things just didn't work out that way it probably comes down to my teams commitment. Bloody students making things difficult, shoot the lot of em. Andy - skunks captain (or trying to be) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Nov 4 11:38:01 1996 Received: from clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA10721; Mon, 4 Nov 1996 11:37:56 GMT Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA05257; Mon, 4 Nov 1996 11:37:52 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id UAA01389; Thu, 31 Oct 1996 20:24:53 GMT Received: from arl-img-1.compuserve.com by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id UAA01347; Thu, 31 Oct 1996 20:23:24 GMT Received: by arl-img-1.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id OAA01270; Thu, 31 Oct 1996 14:38:55 -0500 Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 14:26:52 -0500 From: Ian Peter Stebbing <106040.3441@compuserve.com> Subject: Aftermath etc. reply to Paul Meaney To: Britdisc Message-ID: <199610311429_MC1-B86-C0A7@compuserve.com> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO Sorry to make this public rather than private Paul but you do appear to have missed the point slightly yourself. 1) I agree that spirit is very important and I wished people realised that the top teams take it just as seriously as everyone else. The job was delegated to Simon who did go and ask a number of people. The ask every team for one vote is not after all the only viable method of selection for SOTG but what happened was not ideal either. Your suggesttion of phoning people up etc. for best practise at tournaments is useful and perhaps some of those you mentioned could be instrumental in at least producing a checklist of items necessary for a tournament. 2) To play 3 or even 4 games to 21, 2 1/2 hour time slots for 3 days in a row is not unusual in well organised established US tournaments! Team rosters are expected to be of sufficient size to cope with this. If you don't believe me ask some of the Druids who went to Fools tournament last April. It was quite a shock and we were dead at the end of the last day but we were the only team there not prepared for it. I played again this year at that tournament for an American team who 'whinged' when they had to sit out 1 time slot on day 2 and therefore had to wait about 3 hours to play their third and final game of the day. That is far from the only tournament with that structure, it is just we are completely unused to it over here but if we are going to progress to competitive proper length games at tournaments then it is the shape of things to come. In its own way such a move will have more effect on the structure of teams and Ultimate in this country because it will force us into having larger squads which are far more difficult to maintain on a non-geo basis. Ian Stebbing Fluid Druids From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Nov 4 11:39:21 1996 Received: from clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA10896; Mon, 4 Nov 1996 11:39:17 GMT Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA05323; Mon, 4 Nov 1996 11:39:13 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id LAA28209; Wed, 30 Oct 1996 11:15:58 GMT Received: from relay-1.mail.demon.net by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id LAA28196; Wed, 30 Oct 1996 11:15:26 GMT Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([(null)]) by relay-1.mail.demon.net id ad26094; 30 Oct 96 11:14 GMT Received: from stures.demon.co.uk ([194.222.19.95]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id aa26057; 30 Oct 96 11:02 GMT X-Sender: (Unverified) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1996 12:04:51 +0100 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: Max Keogh Subject: The future... Message-ID: <846673352.26057.0@stures.demon.co.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO "The future is bright. The future is Orange." Must be that 15 year itch! From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Nov 4 13:29:52 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id NAA00020; Mon, 4 Nov 1996 13:29:45 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id NAA17265; Mon, 4 Nov 1996 13:13:12 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id NAA17257; Mon, 4 Nov 1996 13:12:50 GMT Received: from venus.le.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id NAA26921; Mon, 4 Nov 1996 13:12:46 GMT Received: from hawk.le.ac.uk by venus.le.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Mon, 4 Nov 1996 13:19:38 +0000 Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 13:10:47 +0000 (GMT) From: Scott X-Sender: iws1@hawk To: britdisc Subject: Ultimate in Henley Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO This is a forwarded message, please do not reply to me regarding this message - pick-up a phone instead and phone the number(s) given. >I am an ex-Uriel player who is desperate for a game! >Could someone please put it out on the Internet and in the ultimate >magazine that i am trying to get an ultimate game going in Henley on >Thames in Oxfordshire, near READING, MAIDENHEAD,MARLOW, HIGH WYCOMBE etc. >I am putting adverts looking for interest in my local papers and I have >been investigating the hire of a hall. >My name is James Bridge-Butler and my number is 0976 849779. If >messages could be left or if anyone out there knows me please get in >touch. I use to play for Uriel up to 2 years ago and I have since played >with OW in Oxford, but they are to far away from me now. I work in >london, but have only an intermittent presence on the NET. This is why I >am asking an officer of the BUF to do my advertising! >Other numbers for me are: 01491 572344 - eves., 0171 357 9090 - work. >Please respond!! From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Nov 4 16:50:46 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id QAA02736; Mon, 4 Nov 1996 16:50:40 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id QAA23046; Mon, 4 Nov 1996 16:43:45 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id QAA23040; Mon, 4 Nov 1996 16:43:25 GMT Received: from relay-4.mail.demon.net by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id QAA01589; Mon, 4 Nov 1996 16:43:20 GMT Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([(null)]) by relay-4.mail.demon.net id ab05466; 4 Nov 96 16:16 GMT Received: from lurker.demon.co.uk ([158.152.56.63]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id aa21180; 4 Nov 96 16:12 GMT Date: Mon, 04 Nov 96 13:49:50 Message-ID: <82@lurker.demon.co.uk> From: Howard Lurker Organization: None Reply-To: layout@lurker.demon.co.uk To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Re: nationals X-Mailer: Newswin Alpha 0.7 Lines: 28 Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO [quoting] >> I do not understand what happens to students in the summer >> are they locked away?? [more quoting] > No they just disperse to the far reaches of the country, and even go > on holiday while they have the time. I have got it. In a monday morning flash of inspiration..... Let's move the students holidays to the winter and then we can play all summer. Swap the term times around, change daylight hours, we have so many options available I really can't believe there is room for debate! That's it, any volunteers for sorting it out? Should only take half a day. Cheers, Howie. PS: If they can do windsurfing indoors with no real wind, I am sure we can play Ultimate outdoors with lots of wind. -- __ @ Lurkers Flying Disc Club / / --- (( ( ( ( 0 " A Blow Would Have Done It " ___/| Ultimate Matured in England For 13 Years / howard@lurker.demon.co.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Nov 4 23:14:40 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id XAA13737; Mon, 4 Nov 1996 23:14:34 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id XAA02259; Mon, 4 Nov 1996 23:12:06 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id XAA02254; Mon, 4 Nov 1996 23:11:58 GMT Received: from phidelta.demon.co.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id XAA13570; Mon, 4 Nov 1996 23:11:55 GMT Date: Mon, 04 Nov 1996 22:57:03 GMT From: LayoutDreams@phidelta.demon.co.uk (Wayne Retter) Reply-To: LayoutDreams@phidelta.demon.co.uk Message-Id: <3310@phidelta.demon.co.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Hitchin Indoors: Entrants X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Lines: 19 Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO Following teams are entered to the Hitchin Indoor Tournament 96: Strollers; Funky Nuns; Small Furry Animals; Chaos; Space Cowboys; Mr Men; Fluid Druids; Village People; Mohawks; Angels; Skunks; Uriel. Chris is about to post the info packs, which currently include a list of B+Bs (we're working on a Village Hall for accom, but if you can sort out somewhere to stay, please do! Chris' parents house is prebooked for an alternative event!). Party - won't be one, but we'll be in a pub (prob. the Green Man) on Friday and Saturday nights. More later... Wayne _____________________________________________________________________________ Chris Hughes layoutDREAMS Wayne Retter +44/0-151-260-1840 LayoutDreams@phidelta.demon.co.uk +44/0-1737-242109 From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Nov 5 00:51:31 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id AAA20039; Tue, 5 Nov 1996 00:51:25 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id AAA03423; Tue, 5 Nov 1996 00:49:40 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id AAA03418; Tue, 5 Nov 1996 00:49:32 GMT From: guy@mspc700.dc.mei.melco.co.jp Received: from melcogw.melit.melco.co.jp by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id AAA19895; Tue, 5 Nov 1996 00:49:20 GMT Received: by melcogw.melit.melco.co.jp (5.65+1.6W/2.7W) id AA10930; Tue, 5 Nov 96 09:49:15 JST Received: from meims by inetgw.topo.melco.co.jp (1.38.193.5/6.4J.6-inetgw1.0) id AA14524; Tue, 5 Nov 1996 09:54:17 +0900 Received: from mspc700.dc.mei.melco.co.jp (mspc700.mei.melco.co.jp [150.40.0.70]) by meims.mei.melco.co.jp (8.6.12+2.4W/3.4W2) with SMTP id JAA07665 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 1996 09:48:21 +0900 Received: from mpc7014.dc.mei.melco.co.jp by mspc700.dc.mei.melco.co.jp (4.1/6.4J.6-DcMst-96Jul16) id AA29134; Tue, 5 Nov 96 09:50:19 JST Date: Tue, 5 Nov 96 09:35:36 PST Subject: 21st Japan Open - Short Report. To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk X-Mailer: Chameleon - TCP/IP for Windows by NetManage, Inc. Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO 21st Japan Open Championships Utsunomia 3-4-5 November 1996 3 days of intense competition among some of the fastest little guys youll see on an Ultimate pitch. The University teams fared well against the old boys and geo teams, with the entry to this tournament being decided by three regional tournaments in Eastern Japan (Hokkaido, Tokyo etc), Central Japan (Nagoya etc), and Western Japan (Osaka/Kobe Kyushu etc). Of the 16 teams competing 10 teams came from the Tokyo area, 3 from Central, and 3 from Western Japan. There were 3 teams with foreigners playing, the strongest being CREWS who won a tight 3-4th playoff against LOQUITOS, the BUZZ BULLETS from Osaka and (my team) the Nagoya NUTS. I used to play for the Coventry Cheetahs, for those of you with long memories... The sun shone on Monday for the semi-finals and finals of the ladies and open competitions. The Open final saw the BOMBERS dig deep on their well of experience to edge out the BARBARIANS (from the sports university) 18-17 after the BARBARIANS led 16-15 at time. This was a top-flight exhibition of hard cutting inch perfect passing Ultimate, played in the best of spirits with less than 10 fouls called in the entire game. The LADY BARBARIANS were similarly edged out by the SPIRALS in a high speed, highly skilled game. As for the humble crowd from Nagoya we finished a smiling 13th, having taken a good number of points from seriously better teams than us (lost 17-11 to the BARBARIANS), beaten the other teams from our region, and made some new friends.... Guy (A note to the cost conscious, the entry to this competition was US$60 EACH, after US$40 each for regionals, after JFDA membership... ouch!) ------------------------------------------------------------------- From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Nov 5 08:33:35 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id IAA10264; Tue, 5 Nov 1996 08:33:30 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id IAA07166; Tue, 5 Nov 1996 08:31:25 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id IAA07160; Tue, 5 Nov 1996 08:31:18 GMT Received: from mail.rmplc.net by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id IAA10170; Tue, 5 Nov 1996 08:31:16 GMT Received: from acotgreave ([172.16.27.34]) by mail.rmplc.net (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA05920 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 1996 08:31:15 GMT Message-Id: <199611050831.IAA05920@mail.rmplc.net> From: "Andy Cotgreave" To: "Britdisc" Subject: Re: Timing Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 08:28:57 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hi all, Scott Wrote: > I would argue that currently the nationals fall at a time which is both > the end of the season for *open* teams and beginning of the season for > *university* teams. > Interesting point, which nicely sums up the dilemma. Students and open teams work on totally different time scales. By implication, Scott seems to be saying that a student 'season' is an academic year (cos they go indoors v soon after Nationals), whereas for open teams, a season is an outdoor or indoor series of tournies; if that isn't what you implied Scott, sorry! What's the solution? Do we time the Nationals to encourage student participation, or do we go with a more practical (practical only in terms of timing) tournament? Is it possible to compromise? Andy C From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Nov 5 10:52:12 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id KAA24055; Tue, 5 Nov 1996 10:52:06 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id KAA09398; Tue, 5 Nov 1996 10:38:16 GMT Received: from clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id KAA09393; Tue, 5 Nov 1996 10:38:03 GMT Received: from hermes.ex.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id KAA02593; Tue, 5 Nov 1996 10:37:57 GMT Received: from cen [144.173.6.1] by hermes via ESMTP (KAA00157); Tue, 5 Nov 1996 10:37:50 GMT Received: from sc505 [144.173.94.250] by cen via SMTP (KAA07132); Tue, 5 Nov 1996 10:37:47 GMT From: Andrew Fraser To: Britdisc Subject: Re: Nationals timing... Message-ID: Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 10:40:19 +0000 () Priority: NORMAL X-Mailer: Simeon for Win32 Version 4.0.9 X-Authentication: IMSP MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO Dear all, Surely the best timing for the outdoor nationals is as it is - the culmination of the summer/outdoor season, leaving the student teams just enough time to get their acts in gear and get a team together to play....OK it's not ideal for students but if they want to complain surely they should TRY to play more over the summer and get organised if they want to compete well. I think it's very kind of you non-student teams to wait until October to play when its bloody freezing... And hey there are the student Nationals to attend too so we can't really complain.... Cheers, Andy. ---------------------- Andrew Fraser Uriel @ University of Exeter http://www.ex.ac.uk/~en94ajf/uriel From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Nov 5 11:13:02 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA27352; Tue, 5 Nov 1996 11:12:42 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id LAA09919; Tue, 5 Nov 1996 11:06:30 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA09912; Tue, 5 Nov 1996 11:06:15 GMT From: dmurray@soton.ac.uk Received: from beech.soton.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id LAA26305; Tue, 5 Nov 1996 11:06:00 GMT Received: from oak.soton.ac.uk (oak.soton.ac.uk [152.78.128.89]) by beech.soton.ac.uk (8.6.12/hub-8.5a) with ESMTP id KAA17480 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 1996 10:39:22 GMT Received: (from dmurray@localhost) by oak.soton.ac.uk (8.6.10/client-8.8) id KAA00344 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Tue, 5 Nov 1996 10:39:18 GMT Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 10:39:18 GMT Message-Id: <199611051039.KAA00344@oak.soton.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Us nationals X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO For our own home interest in the Us nationals coming up look at http://www.pada.org/rage/ for player details on the Philly rage team check out the photo, recognise the stupid grin under the cap?? From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Nov 6 10:43:10 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id KAA04517; Wed, 6 Nov 1996 10:43:02 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id KAA03224; Wed, 6 Nov 1996 10:34:17 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id KAA03219; Wed, 6 Nov 1996 10:34:09 GMT Received: from felix.dircon.co.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id KAA03434; Wed, 6 Nov 1996 10:34:07 GMT Received: by felix.dircon.co.uk id AA00844 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 6 Nov 1996 10:18:30 GMT Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 10:18:30 GMT Received: from gw2-137.pool.dircon.co.uk(194.112.35.137) by amnesiac via smap (V1.3) id sma000831; Wed Nov 6 10:18:17 1996 X-Sender: daltay@popmail.dircon.co.uk Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: daltay@dircon.co.uk (Dale Taylor) Subject: BritOpen Jackets Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO Rumour has it that one or two of you have washed your BritOen jackets and the print has suffered. In case there is anyone else out there who is not aware of this, DON'T machine wash the jackets! The washing instructions inside refer to UNprinted jackets only. Also, to waterproof nylon, a coating is applied, which should be re-applied once the jacket has been washed. Regards Nolan PS There are still a few of a further run of 20 jackets remaining, so get your orders in to me and I'll get one to you. PPS Sort out BritDisc someone... this is the third attempt! From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Nov 6 11:46:44 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA12755; Wed, 6 Nov 1996 11:46:24 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id LAA05203; Wed, 6 Nov 1996 11:41:23 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA05194; Wed, 6 Nov 1996 11:40:54 GMT Received: from newsgate.dircon.co.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id LAA12078; Wed, 6 Nov 1996 11:40:40 GMT Received: from dmotive.UUCP (dmotive@localhost) by newsgate.dircon.co.uk (8.6.12/8.6.9) with UUCP id LAA14920 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Wed, 6 Nov 1996 11:27:51 GMT Date: 06 Nov 96 11:27:41 +0000 From: Oz Freire Subject: (DiscGolf) BDGA Singles Matchplay To: BritDisc CC: Pete Cronin , Paul Lawrence Message-ID: <961106.112741@designmotive.co.uk> X-Mailer: InterCall 1.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO Dear All, This weekend sees the first UK disc golf singles matchplay championships. The tournament is open to the top 16 finalists in this year's BDGA tour, but all other players interested are welcome, as there will be= =20 other competitions taking part during the weekend. The tournament is being held at Quarry Park Disc Golf Course (Del's Land)= , for further information, please e mail me or phone me on 0181 875 0907 = (day). Hope to see you there Oz From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Nov 6 22:26:03 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id WAA00495; Wed, 6 Nov 1996 22:25:58 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id WAA20240; Wed, 6 Nov 1996 22:22:34 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id WAA20223; Wed, 6 Nov 1996 22:22:19 GMT Received: from phidelta.demon.co.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id WAA00180; Wed, 6 Nov 1996 22:22:06 GMT Date: Wed, 06 Nov 1996 22:14:05 GMT From: LayoutDreams@phidelta.demon.co.uk (Wayne Retter) Reply-To: LayoutDreams@phidelta.demon.co.uk Message-Id: <3357@phidelta.demon.co.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Hitchin Indoors: Accom (Urgent!) X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Lines: 19 Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO To Teams coming to Hitchin Indoors: We have the possibility of hiring the Ickleford Village Hall for the Saturday night - IF enough teams are interested. Cost: total about GBP 150.00 ie 15-30 pounds per team (depending on demand) We can provide no other accomodation (except B+Bs at the same sort of price PER PERSON!) We need to know who's interested ASAP so that we can book and work out final prices. Please call Chris on the number below. Cheers, Wayne _____________________________________________________________________________ Chris Hughes layoutDREAMS Wayne Retter +44/0-151-260-1840 LayoutDreams@phidelta.demon.co.uk +44/0-1737-242109 From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Nov 7 11:15:18 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA18272; Thu, 7 Nov 1996 11:15:10 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id LAA00526; Thu, 7 Nov 1996 11:02:33 GMT Received: from violet.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA00520; Thu, 7 Nov 1996 11:02:22 GMT Received: from admin.warwick.ac.uk by violet.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA00692; Thu, 7 Nov 1996 11:02:10 GMT Received: from SIGMA/MERCURY by admin.warwick.ac.uk (Mercury 1.21); 7 Nov 96 11:00:39 +0000 Received: from MERCURY by SIGMA (Mercury 1.21); 7 Nov 96 10:00:49 +0000 From: "DEREK ROBINS" Organization: University of Warwick, CV4 7AL, UK To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk, disc@foobar.co.uk, 100144.113@compuserve.com Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 10:00:46 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Jr. Report Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.1 (R1a) Message-ID: <2616724828@admin.warwick.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO Dear Britdiscers, Here at last is some relief from the heavy issues of tournament formats and scheduling etc. The article was posted by Dan "Stork" Roddick to the freestylers mailing list. Details of finals contestants may wash over you but note the level of participation - 160000 children under 16! ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- From: Cyberstork@aol.com Date sent: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 13:25:48 -0500 To: jammers@easy1.mediacity.com Subject: Jr. Report The 28th Annual World Jr. Frisbee Championships wrapped up in fine style Saturday with some great performances and a beautiful day at Sea World, San Diego. The overall champions were Mirella Martinez of Dallas, Texas and Chris Filer of Seattle, Washington. Mirella had strong play in all events, winning SCF with 67.88 points (7.75s/25.25m). She was second in golf, distance and discathon. In the boy's division, Chris really rolled as he won golf, discathon and SCF. His SCF was an event record 97.15 points (10.01s/42.10m). Other event winners were: Art Viger-Sonoma, CA and Christina Burnap-Seattle, WA-Freestyle (individual) John Buttrey-Nashville, TN and Renee Pardo, Ft. Meyers, FL-Accuracy Christina Burnap, Seattle, WA-Discathon Miroslava Martinez, Dallas, TX (twin to Mirella)-Disc Golf Sabrina Donaldson-Arvada, CO(sister to Chauncey)-Distance (278ft 3in) Nick Thielman-St. Cloud, MN-Distance (352ft 11in) The youngest player ever in the finals last year, 9 year old Nikki Ross of Lancaster, PA set three age group world records in the competition. She will appear on the Maureen O'Boyle television show about amazing kids scheduled for airing on Nov. 15th. Overall Results: Girls 1st(35.5 pts) Mirella Martinez- Dallas, TX 2nd(34.0 pts) Christina Burnap-Seattle, WA 3rd(30.5 pts) Sabrina Donaldson-Arvada, CO 4th(28.0 pts) Lauren Soderland-Seattle, WA 5th(27.5 pts) Miroslava Martinez- Dallas, TX 6th(23.5 pts) Nikki Ross- Lancaster, PA 7th(19.0 pts) Renee Pardo- Ft. Meyers, FL 8th(18.0 pts) Adrianna Zammit-Seattle, WA Boys 1st(51.0 pts) Chris Filer-Seattle, WA 2nd(42.5 pts) John Buttrey- Nashville, TN 2nd(42.5 pts) Andy Moering-Seattle, WA 4th(37.0 pts) Mike McMillan- Vancouver, B.C., Canada 5th(35.5 pts) Nick Thielman- St. Cloud, MN 5th(35.5 pts) Toby Henderson-Seattle, WA 7th(30.5 pts) Evan Hanneman-Bellvue, WA 8th(23.0 pts) Art Viger- Sonoma, CA 9th(22.5 pts) Matt Goldfarb-Shoreline, WA 10th(10 pts) Luis Romero-Mexico City, Mexico Staff for the finals was principally provided by the San Diego Free Flyers, and the golf event was hosted by Snapper Pierson on the Morley Field Disc Golf Course. Special thanks to: AMY BEKKEN, ARTHUR CODDINGTON, JEFF JORGENSON - Staff Photographer, RICK LEBEAU, DAN MANGONE, JIM McDOWELL, SNAPPER PIERSON, ROBBIE ROBISON, JOEL ROGERS, RICK SADER, BETHANY SANCHEZ, GINA SAMPLE, and DAVE SCHILLER. Bill Coberly of Dallas Texas and Mary Jorgenson were honored as coaches of the year. Bill has run local competitions and coached many players to world finals in the past as well as training this year's girls champion. Mary currently coordinates a very successful jr ultimate program in the Northwest which involves nearly 300 players. From that base, she and other regional players ,including her husband Jeff and Steve Hays, qualified an unprecedented 8 finalists for this year's competition. In addition to engraved trophies, the winners received $1000 bonds, runners-ups $500 and third place finishers received $250. Each finalist received a $100 bond and a finalist trophy. Travel, lodging and expenses are all provided for each finalist and his or her guardian or parent. A video news release of the event was filmed and released by satellite feed for international distribution. There was also a 4 camera shoot which focused on freestyle which is being prepared for an anthology sports show in the near future. The host hotel was the Town and Country Resort which provided a great setting for the group including a ballroom which was open for jamming until the wee hours of each night. It was a blast! Over 160,000 children under the age of 16 took part in this year's program at their schools or local parks. The entire event is offered free of charge each year by Mattel Sports and runs from May through November. The local competition includes distance, accuracy and trick catching. Local clubs who assist in the running of the events often also use the opportunity to introduce the kids to other events such as ultimate, golf, freestyle and ddc. To sign up a local park or school contact us at roddickd@Mattel.com with the postal mailing address of the elementry school or park and the staff person responsible. To get personally involved as a volunteer coach you may register your interest at the same address. Dan"Stork"Roddick, Mattel Sports >>>>> End of forwarded message >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>. The credits read like a Who's Who of west coast Freestylers and individual event players but there is also support from Ultimate players. It's good to see players from different sections of the family of disc sports supporting this program which initially focusses just on basic skills. Del "one of these days I'll get into coaching" Robins *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*- Derek Robins | | D.J.Robins@admin.warwick.ac.uk Management Accountant | | Tel 01203 523523 x2710 Finance Office | | Fax 01203 524573 University of Warwick | | Room 343 Coventry CV4 7AL | | Senate House *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*- From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Nov 7 11:37:17 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA21290; Thu, 7 Nov 1996 11:37:09 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id LAA01151; Thu, 7 Nov 1996 11:31:02 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA01146; Thu, 7 Nov 1996 11:30:54 GMT Received: from mps2.leeds.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA20422; Thu, 7 Nov 1996 11:30:52 GMT Received: from west-01.novell.leeds.ac.uk (west-01.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.124.1]) by mps2.leeds.ac.uk (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA07683 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 1996 11:32:21 GMT Received: from LUCS-H21/SpoolDir by west-01.novell.leeds.ac.uk (Mercury 1.21); 7 Nov 96 11:30:51 GMT0BST Received: from SpoolDir by LUCS-H21 (Mercury 1.30); 7 Nov 96 11:30:37 GMT0BST From: "Larry Legend" Organization: University of Leeds To: Britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 11:30:30 GMT Subject: Ian Pearman Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <47B6CC3653C@west-01.novell.leeds.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hello, I'm trying to get hold of Ian Pearman (UTI), does anyone know his mail address or telephone number? You can mail me or phone, 0113 2899384. Cheers, Larry, (Catch 22). From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Nov 7 14:21:34 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id OAA18066; Thu, 7 Nov 1996 14:21:24 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id OAA04688; Thu, 7 Nov 1996 14:14:49 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id OAA04683; Thu, 7 Nov 1996 14:14:38 GMT Received: from venus.le.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id OAA16952; Thu, 7 Nov 1996 14:14:34 GMT Received: from hawk.le.ac.uk by venus.le.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Thu, 7 Nov 1996 14:08:46 +0000 Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 13:59:50 +0000 (GMT) From: Scott X-Sender: iws1@hawk To: britdisc Subject: Advice for (potential) Worlds Teams Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO Some of you have already contacted the organisers of the WUCC '97 tournament in Vancouver, if not now might be a good time. The british teams have been allocated the following slots; 4 Open 2 Women's 2 Masters Spaces are allocated on willingness to go! If however there are more teams wanting to go than spaces available then places will be allocated on National ranking (i.e. Final placings at Hitchen). In reality there may be more places than those we have been allocated as some nations will not fill their slots. If you are seriously interested in attending Worlds, even if you didn't finish in the top 5 (Stan are playing in the masters division - allegedly) in the open division, or top two in the women's division there is still a chance you could get a place. The earlier you send in your deposit the higher on the waiting list you will be placed. In previous years the organisers have asked the BUF for a list of interested and eligible teams, but this has not happened so far this year and it appears that it is being left down to the teams to contact the organisers directly! Rather than waiting to see what happens I would suggest that clubs be pro-active. There is a web site with all the relevant information on at: http://www.portal.ca/~wucc97/ Or you can mail/phone/fax direct on; World Ultimate Club Championships, PO Box 29063, Delamont Post Office, Vancouver, BC, Canada V6J 5C2 Phone: +1-604-988-4499 EMail:wuccinfo@portal.ca Thanks Scott /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ SCOTT: Ian Scotland Tel: 0116 2525824 Fax: 0116 2523154 E-mail: iws1@le.ac.uk http://wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk/buf/ /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Nov 7 20:28:22 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id UAA07311; Thu, 7 Nov 1996 20:28:16 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id UAA13756; Thu, 7 Nov 1996 20:22:24 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id UAA13742; Thu, 7 Nov 1996 20:22:10 GMT Received: from phidelta.demon.co.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id UAA06791; Thu, 7 Nov 1996 20:21:59 GMT Date: Thu, 07 Nov 1996 19:18:09 GMT From: LayoutDreams@phidelta.demon.co.uk (Wayne Retter) Reply-To: LayoutDreams@phidelta.demon.co.uk Message-Id: <3375@phidelta.demon.co.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Hitchin Indoors: Accomodation (2) X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Lines: 14 Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO Apologies to all who aren't coming. All teams coming to Hitchin, We have booked the Ickleford Village Hall for Saturday night accomodation. The cost will be shared out between the teams that wish to stay there. (At the moment it will be max GBP 25.00 per team, still decreasing...) Please continue to phone Chris Hughes if you wish to stay in the Hall. Wayne _____________________________________________________________________________ Chris Hughes layoutDREAMS Wayne Retter +44/0-151-260-1840 LayoutDreams@phidelta.demon.co.uk +44/0-1737-242109 From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Nov 8 10:00:38 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id KAA23370; Fri, 8 Nov 1996 10:00:28 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id JAA23395; Fri, 8 Nov 1996 09:46:02 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id JAA23390; Fri, 8 Nov 1996 09:45:56 GMT Received: from venus.open.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id JAA22015; Fri, 8 Nov 1996 09:45:54 GMT Received: from blake.open.ac.uk by venus.open.ac.uk with SMTP Local (PP) id <00374-0@venus.open.ac.uk>; Fri, 8 Nov 1996 09:45:37 +0000 Received: from [137.108.224.60] (ck500939201.open.ac.uk) by blake.open.ac.uk (Netscape Mail Server v2.0) with SMTP id AAA28652 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 1996 09:44:22 +0100 X-Sender: john@blake Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: j.b.domingue@open.ac.uk (John Domingue) Subject: VH seeking Masters for World Clubs Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 09:44:22 +0100 Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO Approximately 9 players from Violently Happy are planning to go to the world clubs as a Masters team. If any Masters want to join us then please contact me. john __________________________________________________________________________ John Domingue | J.B.Domingue@open.ac.uk Knowledge Media Institute, Open University, Milton Keynes MK7 6AA, UK Tel. +44 1908 65-5014 (Fax -3169) | WWWeb: http://kmi.open.ac.uk/~john/ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Nov 8 13:30:17 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id NAA23227; Fri, 8 Nov 1996 13:29:54 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id NAA27909; Fri, 8 Nov 1996 13:15:29 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id NAA27903; Fri, 8 Nov 1996 13:15:16 GMT From: Wayne_Retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk Received: from sys4.cambridge.uk.psi.net by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id NAA20992; Fri, 8 Nov 1996 13:14:47 GMT Received: by sys4.cambridge.uk.psi.net (8.7.5/SMI-5.5-UKPSINet) id MAA10399; Fri, 8 Nov 1996 12:40:46 GMT Received: from cc:Mail by rwatson.watsonwyatt.co.uk id AA847476552 Fri, 08 Nov 96 10:09:12 Date: Fri, 08 Nov 96 10:09:12 Encoding: 759 Text Message-Id: <9610088474.AA847476552@rwatson.watsonwyatt.co.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: URGENT: Hitchin Indoors: Problems Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO All teams involved, Apologies, but: THE SCHOOL HAS MANAGED TO DOUBLE-BOOK THE SPORTSHALL ON SATURDAY AND HAS DECIDED THAT WE'RE THE ONES WHO LOSE OUT! We're arguing with them about getting them to find us (or the other booking) another venue for Saturday, if it can't be done we will have to CANCEL the tournament. FULL REFUNDS WILL BE GIVEN if we cancel the event, and we will also be trying for any additional unrecoverable costs that we (and the teams) have laid out in preparation for the event (eg Travel costs, etc) More to follow when we know what's happening... Apologies again, Wayne Retter Layout Dreams (wishing tournaments were simple !) PS: Chris will also be phoning teams to let them know what's happening. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Nov 8 17:22:36 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id RAA28207; Fri, 8 Nov 1996 17:22:20 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id RAA03560; Fri, 8 Nov 1996 17:10:23 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id RAA03531; Fri, 8 Nov 1996 17:09:51 GMT From: Wayne_Retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk Received: from sys4.cambridge.uk.psi.net by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id RAA26334; Fri, 8 Nov 1996 17:09:32 GMT Received: by sys4.cambridge.uk.psi.net (8.7.5/SMI-5.5-UKPSINet) id QAA21806; Fri, 8 Nov 1996 16:49:50 GMT Received: from cc:Mail by rwatson.watsonwyatt.co.uk id AA847499651 Fri, 08 Nov 96 16:34:11 Date: Fri, 08 Nov 96 16:34:11 Encoding: 265 Text Message-Id: <9610088474.AA847499651@rwatson.watsonwyatt.co.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Hitchin Indoors: Problems resolved Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO All involved, We now definately have a sportshall for Sat and for Sun (possibly different halls for different days!), so THE TOURNAMENT IS DEFINATELY HAPPENING Sorry for the scare, maps and stuff in the post this weekend. Wayne Retter Layout Dreams From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Nov 11 07:53:39 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id HAA05290; Mon, 11 Nov 1996 07:53:34 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id HAA15742; Mon, 11 Nov 1996 07:48:15 GMT Received: from crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id HAA15737; Mon, 11 Nov 1996 07:48:08 GMT Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 07:48:05 GMT From: Mr R C Doswell Message-Id: <193.199611110748@crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Received: by crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk id HAA00193; Mon, 11 Nov 1996 07:48:05 GMT To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: (UK) BUF Events Reminder Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO British Ultimate Federation Disc Events Diary --------------------------------------------- November 1996 ------------- Saturday 16 November 1996 Edinburgh Beginners Tournament (2 days) @ Edinburgh, UK Indoor tourny (2 days) @ Priory school, Hitchen. Saturday 23 November 1996 Wolves Old Boys and Girls Tourny (2 days) Saturday 30 November 1996 SFA Indoor tourny (2 days) @ Farnborough, Hants Student Indoor Regional - South West (2 days) @ Southampton Student Indoor Regionals (2 days) TBC December 1996 ------------- Saturday 7 December 1996 Stanmer Park Disc Golf Tournament (2 days) (Non-Ultimate) @ Stanmer Park Saturday 14 December 1996 Southampton Indoors (2 days) @ Southampton February 1997 ------------- Saturday 8 February 1997 Newport Indoors (2 days) @ Newport Saturday 22 February 1997 BUF Student Indoor Finals (2 days) @ Leeds (TBC) March 1997 ---------- Saturday 1 March 1997 National Indoor Regionals (2 days) Saturday 8 March 1997 Warwick Indoors (2 days) @ Coventry Saturday 22 March 1997 National Indoor Finals (2 days) April 1997 ---------- Saturday 19 April 1997 Leicester Outdoors (2 days) @ Victoria Park, Leicester Saturday 26 April 1997 Student Outdoors (2 days) TBC August 1997 ----------- Saturday 23 August 1997 1997 BDGA Championships (2 days) (Non-Ultimate) TBC September 1997 -------------- Thursday 11 September 1997 British Open (4 days) --------------------------------------------------------------- British Ultimate Federation Disc Events Diary http://www.csv.warwick.ac.uk:5201/cgi-bin/diary Ranulf Doswell, ralf@dcs.warwick.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Nov 11 09:41:01 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id JAA12635; Mon, 11 Nov 1996 09:40:56 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id JAA17226; Mon, 11 Nov 1996 09:33:57 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id JAA17221; Mon, 11 Nov 1996 09:33:47 GMT Received: from newsgate.dircon.co.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id JAA11848; Mon, 11 Nov 1996 09:33:44 GMT Received: from dmotive.UUCP (dmotive@localhost) by newsgate.dircon.co.uk (8.6.12/8.6.9) with UUCP id JAA00106 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Mon, 11 Nov 1996 09:25:47 GMT Date: 11 Nov 96 09:23:40 +0000 From: Oz Freire Subject: BDGA Singles Matchplay Results To: BritDisc CC: Pete Cronin , Eurodisc Message-ID: <961111.092340@designmotive.co.uk> X-Mailer: InterCall 1.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO The results are as follows: 1- Derek Robins 2- Charlie Mead 3- Jim Edwards 4- Sam Nielson 5- Oz Freire 6- Tone Wakford 7- Ivan Bromage 8- Andy Lucey 9- S=E9=E4=F1 Young 10- Rafi Freire 11- Conor Davies 12- Liam Young 13- Neil Halliday 14- Bud Tilton 15- Simon Luard 16- Sue Underwood Full report will follow later this week Oz Freire From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Nov 11 09:53:57 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id JAA14221; Mon, 11 Nov 1996 09:53:52 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id JAA17532; Mon, 11 Nov 1996 09:45:50 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id JAA17518; Mon, 11 Nov 1996 09:45:29 GMT Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 09:45:25 GMT Received: from [137.205.222.1] by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id JAA13070; Mon, 11 Nov 1996 09:45:25 GMT X-Sender: serai@mail.csv.warwick.ac.uk Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: ahicks@rmplc.co.uk (Amanda Hicks) (by way of D.P.Neilson@warwick.ac.uk (Dave Neilson)) Subject: womens ultimate Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO dear frisbee bod, An invitation for your women's team/women players to attend a women's indoor tournament at Headington Girls School, London rd, Headington Oxford on Sat and Sunday 7th/8th Dec. (other) stuff you need to know: Cost =A350 per team Cheques payable to "Shar= ks Ultimate Frisbee Club", to be sent to Tara Jewell, 10 Tynedale rd, Oxford, OX4 1JL, Send them quick as limited to ten(or possibly 12) teams, Free party at top Oxford venue "the Point" as featured in "Q" magazine, food(large portion pasta and sauce, veggie of course) available at the same venue, if we know how many want it in advance, lets say by 1st dec, at max of =A33 per head, and accommodation can be sorted if you need it, again let us know in advance. If you don't have enough women for a team get in touch and we may be able to put you in touch with others in a similar position to make combined teams, any quieries, or information(food and accom no's) can be answered or given to Tara on 01865 246158 or me on e mail, looking forward to hearing from you, hucks and catches, dave. Amanda Hicks From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Nov 11 14:53:40 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id OAA02009; Mon, 11 Nov 1996 14:53:10 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id OAA23367; Mon, 11 Nov 1996 14:46:12 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id OAA23362; Mon, 11 Nov 1996 14:46:04 GMT Received: from gcsin1.gecm.com by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id OAA00272; Mon, 11 Nov 1996 14:42:26 GMT Received: from gcsin3.geccs.gecm.com by gcsin1.gecm.com; (5.65/1.1.8.2/13Mar95-0121PM) id AA32598; Mon, 11 Nov 1996 14:41:48 GMT Received: from gcschm.geccs.gecm.com by gcsin3.geccs.gecm.com; (5.65/1.1.8.2/13Mar95-1139AM) id AA26444; Mon, 11 Nov 1996 14:41:47 GMT Registered-Mail-Reply-Requested-By: giles.stoddard@gecm.com Alternate-Recipient: prohibited Disclose-Recipients: prohibited Content-Return: prohibited Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 14:40:19 +0000 (GMT) From: Giles Stoddard 0181 420 3845 Subject: Hitchin Indoors: Extra player, going free To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Message-Id: <2619401411111996/A29669/PLANET/11AB5BA81200*@MHS> Autoforwarded: false Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Importance: normal Priority: normal Ua-Content-Id: 11AB5BA81200 X400-Mts-Identifier: [;2619401411111996/A29669/PLANET] Hop-Count: 2 Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO To all teams , Does anyone require an extra player for the Hitchin Indoors tournament?? If you do then please e-mail me to let me know. Thanks, Giles Stoddard Tribal Desire From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Nov 11 16:47:45 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id QAA20682; Mon, 11 Nov 1996 16:47:39 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id QAA26075; Mon, 11 Nov 1996 16:37:17 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id QAA26064; Mon, 11 Nov 1996 16:36:23 GMT Received: from haymarket.ed.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id QAA18853; Mon, 11 Nov 1996 16:36:19 GMT Received: from srv0.civ.ed.ac.uk (srv0.civ.ed.ac.uk [129.215.60.200]) by haymarket.ed.ac.uk (8.6.13/8.6.12) with ESMTP id QAA29354 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 1996 16:36:19 GMT Received: from CIV-SRV0/SpoolDir by srv0.civ.ed.ac.uk (Mercury 1.21); 11 Nov 96 16:38:31 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by CIV-SRV0 (Mercury 1.30); 11 Nov 96 16:38:06 +0000 From: "BARRY O'KANE" Organization: Civil Engineering, Edinburgh Uni To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 16:38:03 +0000 Subject: Northern Student teams Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Message-ID: <657FA4548E@srv0.civ.ed.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hi all, Just a quick note to let you all know that the northern student indoors regionals will be at Lancaster Uni on the 30Nov and 1Dec. Play starts at 12 noon on Sat - and so there will be no accomadtaion on Friday night. The cost will be in the region of stlg60 per team. And you should all be recieving invites in the mail soon. Further further details contact: Alex Beaumont Lancaster University Frisbee Club Athletic Union Lancaster University Lancaster LA1 4YW Alex's phone number is 01524 383497. See you there, BARRY PS this applies only to: St Andrews - Celts Ed. - Sneeekys Glasgow - Mud Culture Lancaster - Reservior Fish Bradford - Disciples Leeds - Catch 22 and J. Children From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Nov 11 18:23:51 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id SAA03884; Mon, 11 Nov 1996 18:23:46 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id SAA28487; Mon, 11 Nov 1996 18:14:44 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id SAA28469; Mon, 11 Nov 1996 18:14:12 GMT From: dmurray@soton.ac.uk Received: from beech.soton.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id SAA02706; Mon, 11 Nov 1996 18:14:05 GMT Received: from ash.soton.ac.uk (ash.soton.ac.uk [152.78.128.88]) by beech.soton.ac.uk (8.6.12/hub-8.5a) with ESMTP id SAA15046 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 1996 18:13:52 GMT Received: (from dmurray@localhost) by ash.soton.ac.uk (8.6.10/client-8.8) id RAA26357 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Mon, 11 Nov 1996 17:52:18 GMT Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 17:52:18 GMT Message-Id: <199611111752.RAA26357@ash.soton.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: hitchin indoors X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO Any one out there going to hitchin indoors and looking for players know two are turning up to tart (Guy Bowles and Nick Haslam) mail me if you have any spaces dave M Mr Men From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Nov 12 12:04:07 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id MAA19808; Tue, 12 Nov 1996 12:03:59 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id LAA12094; Tue, 12 Nov 1996 11:52:07 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA12079; Tue, 12 Nov 1996 11:51:31 GMT From: dmurray@soton.ac.uk Received: from beech.soton.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id LAA17823; Tue, 12 Nov 1996 11:51:24 GMT Received: from ash.soton.ac.uk (ash.soton.ac.uk [152.78.128.88]) by beech.soton.ac.uk (8.6.12/hub-8.5a) with ESMTP id LAA13708 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 1996 11:51:22 GMT Received: (from dmurray@localhost) by ash.soton.ac.uk (8.6.10/client-8.8) id LAA01841 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Tue, 12 Nov 1996 11:51:20 GMT Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 11:51:20 GMT Message-Id: <199611121151.LAA01841@ash.soton.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Re: Ian Pearman X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO I have several requests for Ian's Phone number please all try 0181 672 5389 I think he is staying there (with Mark Perryman) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Nov 12 12:04:11 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id MAA19823; Tue, 12 Nov 1996 12:04:03 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id LAA12218; Tue, 12 Nov 1996 11:55:48 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA12213; Tue, 12 Nov 1996 11:55:35 GMT From: dmurray@soton.ac.uk Received: from beech.soton.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id LAA18456; Tue, 12 Nov 1996 11:55:32 GMT Received: from ash.soton.ac.uk (ash.soton.ac.uk [152.78.128.88]) by beech.soton.ac.uk (8.6.12/hub-8.5a) with ESMTP id LAA14366 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 1996 11:55:29 GMT Received: (from dmurray@localhost) by ash.soton.ac.uk (8.6.10/client-8.8) id LAA01899 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Tue, 12 Nov 1996 11:55:27 GMT Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 11:55:27 GMT Message-Id: <199611121155.LAA01899@ash.soton.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Del Smart X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO does anyone have a phone number for Del from Monks at work as the one on the net is 6 months out of date dave From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Nov 12 16:25:46 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id QAA04514; Tue, 12 Nov 1996 16:25:40 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id QAA17652; Tue, 12 Nov 1996 16:12:21 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id QAA17647; Tue, 12 Nov 1996 16:12:13 GMT From: Ian_Stebbing.C&L_GB.C&L_INT.C&L_US_HUB.C&L_US_EXTERNAL@NOTES.compuserve.com Received: from dub-img-1.compuserve.com by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id QAA01794; Tue, 12 Nov 1996 16:10:41 GMT Received: by dub-img-1.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id LAA03398; Tue, 12 Nov 1996 11:10:07 -0500 Date: 12 Nov 96 11:08:25 EST To: Subject: Nationals Results???? Message-ID: <961112160825_702420.204300_BHD50-13@CompuServe.COM> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO Dear All Dave Murray kindly put out a list of the results on Eurodisc. However there are only the top 10 there (now thankfully in the right order, you just can't trust these young wipper snappers). Having had the pleasure of playing in Denmark the other week they were amazed by how many teams there now are in the UK. While not wanting a full list of all teams who participated perhaps the full top 16 who actually played at Hitchen and then a short summary of how many teams actually played at regionals etc. would show the rest of Europe the growth of Ultimate in the UK and perhaps make getting invites for more UK teams to Euro tournaments easier. From a personal point I'd also like to know just how many teams there are who played as this is a decent representation of just how many proper clubs we have. Ian From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Nov 12 17:32:38 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id RAA14607; Tue, 12 Nov 1996 17:32:32 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id RAA19119; Tue, 12 Nov 1996 17:24:30 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id RAA19113; Tue, 12 Nov 1996 17:24:15 GMT Received: from oxmail4.ox.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id RAA13441; Tue, 12 Nov 1996 17:24:12 GMT Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk by oxmail4 with SMTP (PP) with ESMTP; Tue, 12 Nov 1996 17:24:05 +0000 Received: (from immd0001@localhost) by ermine.ox.ac.uk (1.7/8.7.3) id RAA13048; Tue, 12 Nov 1996 17:24:06 GMT Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 17:24:03 +0000 (GMT) From: paul meaney To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Indoor Nationals.....All Change !!!!! (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="-556882451-1894242100-847819443=:22730" Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info. ---556882451-1894242100-847819443=:22730 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII well I bet that got your attention !!!!!. Just to let everyone know, yours truly (the fat goateed one playing for monks who doesn't lay out or jump fifteen feet in the air with a hang time long enough to compose a major symphony), is *TEMPORARILY* looking after the Indoor championships on Behalf of our resident organisational God, Simon Hill. He's still official DoC (that's Budspeak for Director of Competitions), I'm just kinda helping out. or, if you read calvin & hobbes, he's Supreme-Dictator-For-Life, whereas I'm just President-And-First-Tiger. So to Business. BIDS!!!! BIDS!!!!! WE NEED BIDS !!!!!!! (and no, I don;t mean Biological Information Data System, sad gits) We would like as many of you to get off your butts as possible and get bids into me if you think you can host either the Northern/ Midlands/ South eastern/ South Western Indoor regional Qualifiers (pause for breath) AS WELL as the Finals (if you can!!!). Now when going to talk to your friendly local sports hall manager, bear in mind the following things: *how many pitches can you SAFELY accommodate *how many teams can you cater for *what are the spectator provisions *how much is the hall *what are you accommodation options *can you organise cheap and plentiful food *what are the arrangements for the party *how much would you charge each team *how many second/ third teams can you cater for *what is the playing surface like If you think you can do it, then get your bid to me ASAP. There are already some bids in for (as far as I know) the Northerns AND Nationals, BUT DON'T LET THAT STOP YOU !!!!! Your bid might be cheaper and better. Give people the opportunity of choice, rather than going with one bid. Now I can hear you all saying: Why? Why should we bother. Well, it's great fun. Believe me. OK, so you don't sleep for a week before the tournament, plus you get about four hours in total during the event itself. And, thanks to the communications revolution, you get the wonderful opportunity to have your nuts raosted before your very eyes over the public forum of Britdisc, if you make even the slightest gaff. But you get loads of beer bought for you on saturday night, and you can legitimately tell people to "get stuffed, I'm busy !" Plus, it is a bit of a rush to see a whole load of people having a complete blast, all thanks to you. Ask Charlie Mead, Scotty, Laura, me or any tournament organiser. So end of waffle. GIVE ME BIDS, or give me a blank screen. adios..... paul. (back in the organisational saddle once again.........now what about a scottish flying disc federation.....?) //////////////////////////////////\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ ****************************************************************************** Kryten: sir, you must forgive Mr Rimmer, he's suffering from a stress- related nervous disorder Lister: Next time I see him he'll be suffering from a fist- related teeth disorder ****************************************************************************** \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\//////////////////////////////////////////// ---556882451-1894242100-847819443=:22730-- From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Nov 12 20:45:12 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id UAA05863; Tue, 12 Nov 1996 20:45:06 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id UAA23252; Tue, 12 Nov 1996 20:40:26 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id UAA23247; Tue, 12 Nov 1996 20:40:19 GMT Received: from newsgate.dircon.co.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id UAA05404; Tue, 12 Nov 1996 20:40:08 GMT Received: from midnet.com (midnet@localhost) by newsgate.dircon.co.uk (8.6.12/8.6.9) with UUCP id UAA15288 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Tue, 12 Nov 1996 20:33:47 GMT From: c.mead@midnet.com (Charlie Mead) Reply-To: c.mead@midnet.com To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: wfdf wucc Vancouver 1997 Date: 12 Nov 1996 20:12:15 GMT Message-Id: <2120482782.199867628@midnet.com> Organization: MidNet, Coventry UK Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO Re: Invitations to WFDF WUCC 1997. Scott was not entirely correct about teams eligible to compete in Vancouver. Official invitations will be sent out by Brian Gisel, TD for Vancouver, in the next week or so. All invitations MUST be approved by BUF for British teams and there is no point in you wasting your money by sending deposits to Vancouver. This was a pre-emptive strike by them and they should not have asked for invitations/deposits. Should individual teams have a problem understanding anything coming out of Vancouver please contact Ian Scotland first. Charlie Mead WFDF Ultimate Cmmittee. PS. Eurpoean Championships will be at Millfield School from August 24th-30th. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Nov 13 21:33:09 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id VAA27858; Wed, 13 Nov 1996 21:33:04 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id VAA16694; Wed, 13 Nov 1996 21:26:41 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id VAA16687; Wed, 13 Nov 1996 21:26:33 GMT Received: from phidelta.demon.co.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id VAA27365; Wed, 13 Nov 1996 21:26:22 GMT Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 21:10:46 GMT From: LayoutDreams@phidelta.demon.co.uk (Wayne Retter) Reply-To: LayoutDreams@phidelta.demon.co.uk Message-Id: <3505@phidelta.demon.co.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Hitchin Indoors: All Systems Go! X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Lines: 19 Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO All teams involved, Chris thought we ought to tell you this, I thought you'd all be intelligent to work it out for yourselves, Chris pointed out that you're all looking forward to an INDOOR tournament, so... Hitchin Indoors is happening. Follow the instructions that you've received in the post. (We are in the same hall, at Priory School, ALL weekend. Except for when we're in the pub.) See you there. Wayne _____________________________________________________________________________ Chris Hughes layoutDREAMS Wayne Retter +44/0-151-260-1840 LayoutDreams@phidelta.demon.co.uk +44/0-1737-242109 From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Nov 14 18:01:45 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id SAA26300; Thu, 14 Nov 1996 18:01:34 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id RAA08237; Thu, 14 Nov 1996 17:48:50 GMT Received: from violet.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id RAA08232; Thu, 14 Nov 1996 17:48:41 GMT Received: from admin.warwick.ac.uk by violet.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id RAA05190; Thu, 14 Nov 1996 17:48:26 GMT Received: from SIGMA/MERCURY by admin.warwick.ac.uk (Mercury 1.21); 14 Nov 96 17:47:02 +0000 Received: from MERCURY by SIGMA (Mercury 1.21); 14 Nov 96 17:46:40 +0000 From: "DEREK ROBINS" Organization: University of Warwick, CV4 7AL, UK To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 17:46:34 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Disc Golf in the Daily Express Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.1 (R1a) Message-ID: Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO Following on from the article in the Independent on 30th October the Daily Express carried out an interview with me and took pictures today. The article will probably appear on the back page of the Sports pull-out section in the next few days. Should be good! Del *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*- Derek Robins | | D.J.Robins@admin.warwick.ac.uk Management Accountant | | Tel 01203 523523 x2710 Finance Office | | Fax 01203 524573 University of Warwick | | Room 343 Coventry CV4 7AL | | Senate House *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*- From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Nov 15 10:08:29 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id KAA06928; Fri, 15 Nov 1996 10:08:15 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id KAA19875; Fri, 15 Nov 1996 10:00:39 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id KAA19867; Fri, 15 Nov 1996 10:00:30 GMT Received: from vulcan by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id KAA05903; Fri, 15 Nov 1996 10:00:27 GMT Received: from hawk.le.ac.uk by vulcan with SMTP (PP); Fri, 15 Nov 1996 09:58:06 +0000 Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 09:57:41 +0000 (GMT) From: Scott X-Sender: iws1@hawk To: britdisc Subject: Worlds 97 (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO Dear BDers, I have just received this *official* email from the Worlds Organising Committee, with the official number of places allocated to British Teams. Can all the teams that are interested in competeting at Worlds let me know stating which division in which they wish to compete (this includes teams that have already sent in deposits) so I can pass on an official list of interested teams with rankings. I will also be posting (by snail mail) to the top 8 clubs (top 3 women's) this and any further information as it arrives. The bad news is that it seems we have one less *reserved* place in the open division than earlier indicated! Scott ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 12:40:39 -0800 From: Brian Gisel To: 'BUF' Subject: Worlds 97 Hello from the 1997 World Ultimate Club Championship Organizing Committee. We are now contacting National Ultimate organizations with Worlds 97 Team allocation numbers. Great Britain will get the following team allocations for Worlds 97; Open - 3 Women - 2 Masters - 2 Please note that these are the "official" allocations and may change if other countries do not use all of their allotted spots Could you please forward me the contact names/addresses/email for teams that qualify from your 1996 National Championships in each division. Thank you for your help. If you have any other questions, just call drop me a note. Brian Gisel - Tournament Director World Ultimate Club Championships Vancouver, Canada - July 27 to Aug 02, 1997 bgisel@sierrasys.com From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sun Nov 17 20:56:45 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id UAA05022; Sun, 17 Nov 1996 20:56:40 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id UAA06462; Sun, 17 Nov 1996 20:51:28 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id UAA06452; Sun, 17 Nov 1996 20:51:01 GMT Received: from phidelta.demon.co.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id UAA04667; Sun, 17 Nov 1996 20:50:27 GMT Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 20:32:00 GMT From: LayoutDreams@phidelta.demon.co.uk (Wayne Retter) Reply-To: LayoutDreams@phidelta.demon.co.uk Message-Id: <3536@phidelta.demon.co.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Hitchin Indoors: Results X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Lines: 32 Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hello boys and girls, welcome back to work! Hitchin Indoor results: Trophy 1) Fluid Druids 2) Space Cowboys 3)= Mr Men / Village People (you'll hear more about this game!) Plate 5) Small Furry Animals 6) Mohawks 7) Skunks 8) Chaos Spoon 9) Uriel 10) Angels 11) Strollers 12) Funky Nuns Spirit: Strollers MVP final: Chris Hughes Lost Property: As usual, I've gained a pile of clothes. Mail me if you can't find something and I'll see if it's here. If anyone's really interested there will be a full listing of all the games scores available, sometime. On behalf of Chris Hughes and myself, thanks to all for coming, playing and having fun, see you next time... On behalf of all, best wishes to Andrew from Hurricaine (Strolling for the w/e) for a speedy recovery from his broken arm. Wayne _____________________________________________________________________________ Chris Hughes layoutDREAMS Wayne Retter +44/0-151-260-1840 LayoutDreams@phidelta.demon.co.uk +44/0-1737-242109 From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Nov 18 07:51:52 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id HAA07408; Mon, 18 Nov 1996 07:51:47 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id HAA13452; Mon, 18 Nov 1996 07:48:14 GMT Received: from crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id HAA13447; Mon, 18 Nov 1996 07:48:07 GMT Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 07:48:04 GMT From: Mr R C Doswell Message-Id: <7985.199611180748@crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Received: by crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk id HAA07985; Mon, 18 Nov 1996 07:48:04 GMT To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: (UK) BUF Events Reminder Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO British Ultimate Federation Disc Events Diary --------------------------------------------- November 1996 ------------- Saturday 23 November 1996 Wolves Old Boys and Girls Tourny (2 days) Saturday 30 November 1996 SFA Indoor tourny (2 days) @ Farnborough, Hants Student Indoor Regional - South West (2 days) @ Southampton Student Indoor Regionals (2 days) TBC December 1996 ------------- Saturday 7 December 1996 Stanmer Park Disc Golf Tournament (2 days) (Non-Ultimate) @ Stanmer Park Saturday 14 December 1996 Southampton Indoors (2 days) @ Southampton February 1997 ------------- Saturday 8 February 1997 Newport Indoors (2 days) @ Newport Saturday 22 February 1997 BUF Student Indoor Finals (2 days) @ Leeds (TBC) March 1997 ---------- Saturday 1 March 1997 National Indoor Regionals (2 days) Saturday 8 March 1997 Warwick Indoors (2 days) @ Coventry Saturday 22 March 1997 National Indoor Finals (2 days) April 1997 ---------- Saturday 19 April 1997 Leicester Outdoors (2 days) @ Victoria Park, Leicester Saturday 26 April 1997 Student Outdoors (2 days) TBC August 1997 ----------- Saturday 23 August 1997 1997 BDGA Championships (2 days) (Non-Ultimate) TBC September 1997 -------------- Thursday 11 September 1997 British Open (4 days) --------------------------------------------------------------- British Ultimate Federation Disc Events Diary http://www.csv.warwick.ac.uk:5201/cgi-bin/diary Ranulf Doswell, ralf@dcs.warwick.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Nov 18 09:07:55 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id JAA11608; Mon, 18 Nov 1996 09:07:51 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id JAA14550; Mon, 18 Nov 1996 09:03:37 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id JAA14544; Mon, 18 Nov 1996 09:03:17 GMT Received: from hplb.hpl.hp.com by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id JAA11207; Mon, 18 Nov 1996 09:02:46 GMT Received: from hpqm0500.sqf.hp.com by hplb.hpl.hp.com; Mon, 18 Nov 1996 09:02:45 GMT Received: by hpqm0500.sqf.hp.com (1.37.109.18/15.5+ECS 3.4 ) id AA050027764; Mon, 18 Nov 1996 09:02:44 GMT From: Chris Burden Message-Id: <199611180902.AA050027764@hpqm0500.sqf.hp.com> Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 09:02:44 +0000 (GMT) To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Cc: cburden%sqf.hp.com@hplb.hpl.hp.com Subject: 5th Edinburgh Beginners Tournament X-Mailer: Ishmail 1.2.2-960610-hp Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hi folks, THIS IS NOT A RESULTS POSTING The tournament ended, but it could and should have gone on longer (but I don't think Barry would have thought the same). This tournament just gets bigger and better all the time. 24 teams took part from all over the UK. This time there were 8 full teams from Scottish locations, and even a team flew in from Dublin for the weekend. Most, if not all, of the folks playing were new to the sport, making this their first tournament. Many previous entrants to this tournament have now become top clubs in the UK. This trend is likely to continue. So here is a notice to all the more established and settled clubs from down south......There is a wind of change blowing and it's coming from the North.(hope you like that catchy cliche ?) In this tournament St. Andrews entered 3 teams, Sneeeky's 2 teams and 1 womens team, Glasgow and Stirling each entered strong players. All these teams featured highly in the final placings (which I am sure will be posted once Barry catches up on the weekends sleep). The party went very well (but I was not there, so all that I say is a lie). There was a beer race and it was won by somebody. It was interesting to note that all the team members that took part in the race were all late starters on Sunday. Bolton making a mark by getting so trashed that Sunday was almost cancelled (Leo being their host, this comes a no great surprise). The facilities were excellent. Meadowbank is an international sports centre and as such had buckets of facilities and staff that did not want you to use them. Some team calls (which had to take place in the corridors) terrified the children waiting to get into the creche. There were 2 large halls for most of the tournament with an additional very large hall for more play on Sunday (4 pitches indoors !). It is rumoured that a bid may be made for hosting the national finals but I will leave that to those that do that sort of thing. Finally, I have to repeat that this was a great tourmanment, well organised and well attended. Everyone got a hat and a hangover. The local A&E department heard from us before the tournament even started ! Being probably the oldest player there, It would be true to say that I have seen many good tournaments, but this one is up there with the best ! Well done SNEEEKY's Well done Barry ! What comes next ? ________________ ~ -- __ ~ /) ((__(___|____)__)) (\ - --- _~~ / ) ( \ ~~ ___ _( (_ _ _ _) )_ .. . . (((\ \> /_> <_\ ; Mon, 18 Nov 1996 13:59:11 GMT Received: from CIV-SRV0/SpoolDir by srv0.civ.ed.ac.uk (Mercury 1.21); 18 Nov 96 14:01:23 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by CIV-SRV0 (Mercury 1.30); 18 Nov 96 14:01:09 +0000 From: "BARRY O'KANE" Organization: Civil Engineering, Edinburgh Uni To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 14:01:02 +0000 Subject: STUDENT REGIONALS Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Message-ID: <10AE666685A@srv0.civ.ed.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hi all, Just a quick reminder to all concerned of where and when the student indoor regionals will be: DATE: 30Nov/1Dec North: Lancaster Midlands: Shieffield SW: Southhampton You should all have recieved or be about to get invitations. NB: Due to a scary lack of interest in the SE region there is as yet no venue for the regional. Do you guys want to play at all????? BARRY From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Nov 18 14:39:31 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id OAA02435; Mon, 18 Nov 1996 14:39:23 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id OAA20935; Mon, 18 Nov 1996 14:28:24 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id OAA20927; Mon, 18 Nov 1996 14:28:13 GMT Received: from renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id OAA00441; Mon, 18 Nov 1996 14:28:10 GMT Received: from arran.sms.ed.ac.uk (arran.sms.ed.ac.uk [129.215.141.2]) by renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk (8.6.13/8.6.12) with ESMTP id OAA18890 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 1996 14:28:02 GMT Received: from SMS-ARRAN/SpoolDir by arran.sms.ed.ac.uk (Mercury 1.21); 18 Nov 96 14:31:26 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by SMS-ARRAN (Mercury 1.21); 18 Nov 96 14:31:12 +0000 From: "JAMES.C.MCDONALD" <9361247@arran.sms.ed.ac.uk> Organization: Student Mail Service To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 14:31:09 +0000 Subject: Beginner's tournament Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <1A875724584B@arran.sms.ed.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hi all, I just want to say a great big thank-you to all those teams who made the long trek to play at the 5th Edinburgh Beginner's tournament, and to Barry for organising a very smooth tournament. Play throughout the weekend was tight and fast, with 2 of the quarter-finals, 1 semi and the final all having to end in sudden death. Great for players and spectators alike. The party this year surpassed our effort last year, which I thought would be an impossible task to achieve. Every team got well into it - it was my first experience of stage-diving and crowd surfing at an ultimate event - and no serious injuries either :-) Special congratulations go to Flying sorcerers I (St. Andrews) for winning overall, Stirling for winning spirit, Disciples for winning the spoon and Fingers 6 for winning plate. Looking forwards to '97 Beginner's , Jim McDonald, Sneeeky's From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Nov 18 21:37:44 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id VAA29327; Mon, 18 Nov 1996 21:37:37 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id VAA29171; Mon, 18 Nov 1996 21:32:37 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id VAA29165; Mon, 18 Nov 1996 21:32:29 GMT Received: from phidelta.demon.co.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id VAA28811; Mon, 18 Nov 1996 21:32:22 GMT Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 21:06:42 GMT From: LayoutDreams@phidelta.demon.co.uk (Wayne Retter) Reply-To: LayoutDreams@phidelta.demon.co.uk Message-Id: <3560@phidelta.demon.co.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Injury at Hitchin X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Lines: 14 Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO To all concerned, Andrew (Hurricaine/Strollers) has a single break in each bone of his forearm, which has been pinned and plated. His recovery has been forecast as swift due to his age. Andrew's father wishes to express his thanks to all for the rapid action taken and for the concern and good wishes expressed by all who were present at the time. Wayne _____________________________________________________________________________ Chris Hughes layoutDREAMS Wayne Retter +44/0-151-260-1840 LayoutDreams@phidelta.demon.co.uk +44/0-1737-242109 From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Nov 18 21:39:43 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id VAA29496; Mon, 18 Nov 1996 21:39:35 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id VAA29179; Mon, 18 Nov 1996 21:32:47 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id VAA29174; Mon, 18 Nov 1996 21:32:38 GMT Received: from phidelta.demon.co.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id VAA28836; Mon, 18 Nov 1996 21:32:31 GMT Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 21:19:06 GMT From: Wayne@phidelta.demon.co.uk (Wayne Retter) Reply-To: Wayne@phidelta.demon.co.uk Message-Id: <3562@phidelta.demon.co.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Lost at Hitchin X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Lines: 11 Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO Anybody found an orange disc with a split with a drilled hole to stop the split growing (ie the disc that gives you damn good 3 pint challenge times and a wet table). It belongs to Dawn of SFA and can be returned to her at the SFA tourney at the end of November. Cheers Wayne Wayne Retter Wayne@phidelta.demon.co.uk Layout Dreams From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Nov 18 21:42:54 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id VAA29784; Mon, 18 Nov 1996 21:42:47 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id VAA29305; Mon, 18 Nov 1996 21:37:40 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id VAA29298; Mon, 18 Nov 1996 21:37:30 GMT From: mackay@mrao.cam.ac.uk Received: from mraos.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id VAA29312; Mon, 18 Nov 1996 21:37:27 GMT Received: from mraosa.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk by mraos.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Smail3.1.29.0 #2) id m0vPbNZ-0003FDC; Mon, 18 Nov 96 21:37 GMT Message-Id: Date: Mon, 18 Nov 96 21:37 GMT To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: BUF web server Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO Dear Britdisc I'm afraid my machine wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk has got a hardware problem. This means the BUF web pages are not available for the time being. Hope to resume normal service in a few days. David ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- David J.C. MacKay email: mackay@mrao.cam.ac.uk www: http://wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk/mackay/ Cavendish Laboratory, tel: (01223) 339852 fax: 354599 home: 276411 Madingley Road, international code: +44 1223 Cambridge CB3 0HE. U.K. home: 19 Thornton Road, Girton, Cambridge CB3 0NP ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Nov 19 22:39:24 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id WAA17322; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 22:39:19 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id WAA19093; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 22:35:34 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id WAA19084; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 22:35:20 GMT Received: from utrecht.knoware.nl by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id WAA17007; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 22:34:55 GMT Received: from [193.78.121.10] (mac-10.knoware.nl [193.78.121.10]) by utrecht.knoware.nl (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id WAA03048 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 22:24:20 +0100 X-Sender: mikeocon@pop.knoware.nl Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 22:27:39 +0100 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: mikeocon@knoware.nl (Dulcimer Disc Sport / Baseball School) Subject: Namur , this Saturday Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO WinterTour DiscGolf heading to Namur this Saturday, how about some BDGA participation, I'm always up for a lesson! with regards, Mike Ocon BDGA#49 always room for 3-4 if you come a day or two early, two pole holes at the 'center' to practice putting also I just got in 50 RDGA discs, 150 class ( save your arm, get the seniors, women and kids playing, wonderful holiday gift ... always looking for more ways to encourage 150 class!) team price 3 for fl. 50 -the driver is a factored cyclone, the mid range driver is a factored hawk and the putter is a factored magnet) http://utopia.knoware.nl/users/mikeocon From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Nov 20 12:37:05 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id MAA23893; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 12:36:50 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id MAA28446; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 12:08:57 GMT Received: from violet.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id MAA28441; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 12:08:38 GMT Received: from admin.warwick.ac.uk by violet.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id MAA10080; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 12:08:22 GMT Received: from SIGMA/MERCURY by admin.warwick.ac.uk (Mercury 1.21); 20 Nov 96 12:07:01 +0000 Received: from MERCURY by SIGMA (Mercury 1.21); 20 Nov 96 12:06:29 +0000 From: "DEREK ROBINS" Organization: University of Warwick, CV4 7AL, UK To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 12:06:20 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Disc Golf on BBC TV - do you want to join in? Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.1 (R1a) Message-ID: <16037A4608C@admin.warwick.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO Did you ever want to appear on national tv throwing a disc? This could be your big opportunity. BBC TV are doing a feature on disc golf which I believe they plan to show on Breakfast TV. They are coming up to my course at Leamington Spa this Saturday at 10.30 a.m. It is the Sports Section which is organising it, so the sport should get treated as a sport. It would look good if we could get quite a few people along. You don't have to be an expert golfer, after all, a few crap shots are always useful for making the good shots look better! Contact me if you need directions. My home number is 01926 864136 Del (still checking the Daily Express for their article) *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*- Derek Robins | | D.J.Robins@admin.warwick.ac.uk Management Accountant | | Tel 01203 523523 x2710 Finance Office | | Fax 01203 524573 University of Warwick | | Room 343 Coventry CV4 7AL | | Senate House *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*- From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Nov 21 18:27:36 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id SAA24031; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 18:27:29 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id SAA02020; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 18:17:51 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id SAA02009; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 18:17:37 GMT Received: from pillar.elsevier.co.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id SAA22699; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 18:17:13 GMT Received: from snowdon.elsevier.co.uk (snowdon.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.197.164]) by pillar.elsevier.co.uk (8.8.2/8.8.2) with ESMTP id SAA27448 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 18:16:50 GMT Received: from ELSEVIER.CO.UK (actually host eslgate.elsevier.co.uk) by snowdon.elsevier.co.uk with SMTP (PP); Thu, 21 Nov 1996 18:16:24 +0000 Received: from ES#u#OXF-Message_Server by ELSEVIER.CO.UK with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 18:16:17 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 18:19:52 +0000 From: Toby Green To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk, eurodisc@ira.uka.de Subject: Are You Going to Indoor Tournaments? Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hi! Many ultimate players love to buy the Ultimate Calendar - but often don't have the opportunity! That's because I can't personally get to go to each and every tournament. So that's where you could come in! And make some money into the bargain. If you're going to any indoor tournaments over the next couple of months and would like to sell the Calendar - then send me an e-mail, and I'll make it worth your while! looking forward to hearing from you Toby Green From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Nov 21 22:30:42 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id WAA18967; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 22:30:37 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id WAA06199; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 22:25:16 GMT Received: from clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id WAA06184; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 22:24:59 GMT Received: from phidelta.demon.co.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id WAA02107; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 22:24:47 GMT Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 21:28:27 GMT From: LayoutDreams@phidelta.demon.co.uk (Wayne Retter) Reply-To: LayoutDreams@phidelta.demon.co.uk Message-Id: <3610@phidelta.demon.co.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: FAO Nationals Teams X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Lines: 25 Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO SE: Shotgun, UTI, Violently Happy, First Touch, Strange Blue SW: HeadRush, Tribal Desire, Funky Monks, Skunks NM: Stan, Catch22, Chevron Action Flash, Red, Blue Arse Flies Team contacts for the above are to please confirm to ME (NOT Chris) in writing (or Email): 1) in favour of whom should a cheque for your team be drawn; 2) to what address said cheque should be posted. so that I can send you the refunds due from the Nationals Entry fees, with a copy of the financial report for the tournament. Apologies for doing it this way, but the corrected address list that Chris compiled during the course of the tournament planning has gone AWOL. Look forward to hearing from you so that I can send you money :( Wayne PS If anyone else would like to see the Financial Report, I'll try to arange for it to be circulated. _____________________________________________________________________________ Chris Hughes layoutDREAMS Wayne Retter +44/0-151-260-1840 LayoutDreams@phidelta.demon.co.uk +44/0-1737-242109 From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Nov 22 16:45:48 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id QAA10705; Fri, 22 Nov 1996 16:45:42 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id QAA23053; Fri, 22 Nov 1996 16:33:06 GMT Received: from clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id QAA22987; Fri, 22 Nov 1996 16:28:57 GMT Received: from dub-img-1.compuserve.com by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id QAA15893; Fri, 22 Nov 1996 16:27:16 GMT Received: by dub-img-1.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id LAA03528; Fri, 22 Nov 1996 11:21:43 -0500 Date: 22 Nov 96 10:55:44 EST From: Stuart Clark <101336.3664@compuserve.com> To: Britdisc Subject: Floppy Frisbees. Message-ID: <961122155544_101336.3664_GHW126-1@CompuServe.COM> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hi, Does anyone know where you can get hold of the fabric frisbees (Preferably in the South East.......although I'll resort to mail order if I have to). Cheers Stu. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Nov 22 22:06:18 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id WAA08464; Fri, 22 Nov 1996 22:06:13 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id WAA29772; Fri, 22 Nov 1996 22:02:58 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id WAA29766; Fri, 22 Nov 1996 22:02:18 GMT Received: from eve.speakeasy.org by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id WAA08253; Fri, 22 Nov 1996 22:02:15 GMT Received: from localhost (discnw@localhost) by eve.speakeasy.org (8.8.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA10115 Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 14:01:55 -0800 (PST) From: NW Ultimate To: GB Disc , European List , Thomas Griesbaum , Kim Godwin , Scott Lewis , mpace9999@aol.com cc: NWUA -- Bill Penrose <73744.2527@compuserve.com>, Jordan Dey , Maria Langlais , Mark Friedland , Mary Lowry Jorgenson , Tom George Subject: Early Potlatch Invitation (Seattle, July) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO This is a special early invitation to European and other non-North American teams for Potlatch 97. Regular invitations will be sent to N. American teams in the spring, but I want to make sure people planning for worlds know (speaking of worlds, the Vancouver crew is doing a wonderful job so far - it should be another amazing tourney. Don't miss it!). Feel free to pass this on to your overseas contacts... Joey G. o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o The Northwest Ultimate Association invites European, Asian, South American and Pacific Island teams to the 8th Annual COED POTLATCH near Seattle, Washington on July 12-13, 1997 (2 weeks before Club Worlds in Vancouver). Planning for Friday July 11th is also underway, so people should try to come early. We *may* add games on Friday if there is enough interest and we *may* organize a golf tournament. (no promises) Let me know if you're interested. In any case, there will be a FRIDAY PARTY. "POTLATCH" is a local native word meaning "giving". In this spirit, teams give each other wonderful gifts at the cheer. Play is coed (mixed), with at least 3 (no more than 4) of both genders playing at all times. Ideal Potlatch teams have 6-7 women and 7-8 men. Consider a theme team! We've had lefties, redheads and jo names so far. All levels of players are welcome. There were 60 teams on one site in '96 and we'll have room for at least that many in '97. We may have to limit the number of teams, depending on demand. We welcome spirited teams from other lands, so if your team is from afar; you are responsibible and like to have fun; you have enough women; and you sign up on time you will get a spot. Potlatch includes fields, camping, dinner, and party, thanks to many many volunteers from Seattle teams. We don't think you'll be disappointed. Ask the Frizzly Bears Juniors for their Potlatch '96 report. The price for '97 is not set. Last year it was $220 US/team and we barely made it so the team fee for '97 will probably be between $250 and $300, depending on things we won't know until spring. There will be some advantage to paying early. (If you think it's expensive, you're right! Sorry, but the fields alone will be over $5000. Plus it is still less than Calgary's Ho-Down.) If you arrive in Seattle early or plan to stay late, we can put you in touch with our housing coordinator who will have a list of couches, guest rooms and floor space for local hosts. Some advance warning (in the spring) would be nice, but not necessary. Teams must have 6-7 confirmed women to sign up. Free-agent WOMEN without teams are also very welcome to pick up with other teams who need women (there are always a few slacker teams who show up with too few women). It is also possible for 6-7 women to sign up as a team and then pick up men at the tourney (I don't know what you're thinking, but I mean to PLAY FRISBEE with!) There always seem to be extra men needing teams, so that would not be a problem. Interested? Write Joey Gray at discnw@speakeasy.org or mail the Northwest Ultimate Association at PO Box 85112 Seattle WA 98145 USA. My home number is 206-528-3836 and messages can be left at 206-286-1106. We'd love to see you at Potlatch '97. Potlatch Homepage: http://www.speakeasy.org/discnw Cheers, Joey From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Nov 22 23:29:11 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id XAA12859; Fri, 22 Nov 1996 23:29:06 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id XAA00812; Fri, 22 Nov 1996 23:26:45 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id XAA00807; Fri, 22 Nov 1996 23:26:37 GMT Received: from eve.speakeasy.org by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id XAA12740; Fri, 22 Nov 1996 23:26:34 GMT Received: from localhost (discnw@localhost) by eve.speakeasy.org (8.8.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA10115 Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 14:01:55 -0800 (PST) From: NW Ultimate To: GB Disc , European List , Thomas Griesbaum , Kim Godwin , Scott Lewis , mpace9999@aol.com cc: NWUA -- Bill Penrose <73744.2527@compuserve.com>, Jordan Dey , Maria Langlais , Mark Friedland , Mary Lowry Jorgenson , Tom George Subject: Early Potlatch Invitation (Seattle, July) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO This is a special early invitation to European and other non-North American teams for Potlatch 97. Regular invitations will be sent to N. American teams in the spring, but I want to make sure people planning for worlds know (speaking of worlds, the Vancouver crew is doing a wonderful job so far - it should be another amazing tourney. Don't miss it!). Feel free to pass this on to your overseas contacts... Joey G. o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o The Northwest Ultimate Association invites European, Asian, South American and Pacific Island teams to the 8th Annual COED POTLATCH near Seattle, Washington on July 12-13, 1997 (2 weeks before Club Worlds in Vancouver). Planning for Friday July 11th is also underway, so people should try to come early. We *may* add games on Friday if there is enough interest and we *may* organize a golf tournament. (no promises) Let me know if you're interested. In any case, there will be a FRIDAY PARTY. "POTLATCH" is a local native word meaning "giving". In this spirit, teams give each other wonderful gifts at the cheer. Play is coed (mixed), with at least 3 (no more than 4) of both genders playing at all times. Ideal Potlatch teams have 6-7 women and 7-8 men. Consider a theme team! We've had lefties, redheads and jo names so far. All levels of players are welcome. There were 60 teams on one site in '96 and we'll have room for at least that many in '97. We may have to limit the number of teams, depending on demand. We welcome spirited teams from other lands, so if your team is from afar; you are responsibible and like to have fun; you have enough women; and you sign up on time you will get a spot. Potlatch includes fields, camping, dinner, and party, thanks to many many volunteers from Seattle teams. We don't think you'll be disappointed. Ask the Frizzly Bears Juniors for their Potlatch '96 report. The price for '97 is not set. Last year it was $220 US/team and we barely made it so the team fee for '97 will probably be between $250 and $300, depending on things we won't know until spring. There will be some advantage to paying early. (If you think it's expensive, you're right! Sorry, but the fields alone will be over $5000. Plus it is still less than Calgary's Ho-Down.) If you arrive in Seattle early or plan to stay late, we can put you in touch with our housing coordinator who will have a list of couches, guest rooms and floor space for local hosts. Some advance warning (in the spring) would be nice, but not necessary. Teams must have 6-7 confirmed women to sign up. Free-agent WOMEN without teams are also very welcome to pick up with other teams who need women (there are always a few slacker teams who show up with too few women). It is also possible for 6-7 women to sign up as a team and then pick up men at the tourney (I don't know what you're thinking, but I mean to PLAY FRISBEE with!) There always seem to be extra men needing teams, so that would not be a problem. Interested? Write Joey Gray at discnw@speakeasy.org or mail the Northwest Ultimate Association at PO Box 85112 Seattle WA 98145 USA. My home number is 206-528-3836 and messages can be left at 206-286-1106. We'd love to see you at Potlatch '97. Potlatch Homepage: http://www.speakeasy.org/discnw Cheers, Joey From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sun Nov 24 06:46:05 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id GAA09078; Sun, 24 Nov 1996 06:46:01 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id GAA21578; Sun, 24 Nov 1996 06:42:33 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id GAA21573; Sun, 24 Nov 1996 06:42:25 GMT Received: from utrecht.knoware.nl by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id GAA08983; Sun, 24 Nov 1996 06:42:23 GMT Received: from [193.78.121.2] (mac-2.knoware.nl [193.78.121.2]) by utrecht.knoware.nl (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id HAA13626; Sun, 24 Nov 1996 07:42:11 +0100 X-Sender: mikeocon@pop.knoware.nl Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 07:45:08 +0100 To: hans.bos@tip.nl From: mikeocon@knoware.nl (Dulcimer Disc Sport / Baseball School) Subject: #2 version 4th Stop DiscGolf WinterTour- Benelux '96-'97 Cc: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk, 101720.1523@compuserve.com Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hi Hans, Here's the scores saved as an ascii file with no columns inbetween the columns: 4th stop on the DiscGolf WinterTour-Benelux '96-'97 Nov 23, 1996 Jambes, Belgium open Marco LeHousse B 47 26 73 3 2 3 2 3 13 86 Pascal Thioux B 49 23 72 4 3 3 3 3 16 88 Eric Masuy B 51 24 75 4 2 3 3 3 15 90 Paul Bejoijen NL 53 26 79 4 2 4 3 2 15 94 Erik Schmiemen NL 53 25 78 3 3 3 3 4 16 94 Julien Materne B 51 28 79 Olivier Cassart B 53 27 80 Arthur Haverkamp NL 55 27 80 Olivier Begon B 55 28 83 Hans Bos NL 54 29 83 Laurens Benschop NL 56 29 85 Paul Carels B 58 29 87 Michel Thys B 59 29 88 Mike Ocon VS 59 29 88 Olivier Marsille B 58 30 88 Gregory Lelieuve B 62 32 94 David Chalemagne B 67 32 99 Joop de Rooij NL 69 31 100 David Lambors B 65 35 100 Christian Cossard B 79 40 119 Pascal Coduys B 82 36 118 Michel Barthelemy B 110 54 164 Manu Goffinet B DNF women Patricia van Halteren B 73 34107 juniors Fabien Trichan B 65 32 97 Vincent Ignace B 72 32 104 Victor Materne B 72 36 108 Julien Demeirleir B 73 38 111 Olivier Bressaneli B 79 36 115 vanhier, vandaar, vanille ( or chocolade!?) Two and a half hours walking in the rain, no thanks for 50,000 frisbee throwers in the Benelux, however the group that said yes made the 4th Stop on the DiscGolf WinterTour Benelux '96-'97 a very special day for the small town of Jambes in Belgium yesterday. The course, located in a park around a castle along the river Meuse had a nice variety of holes and enough trees ( especially that giant redwood!) to bring up thoughts of Oregon, California, Sweden, England, France, Denmark and of course the Netherlands. Hole one brings you in contact with the public immediately, you must cross a small road into the park and when putting see the corner store ( those tangerines look inviting, will the group wait for me?)... I'll send the completed version later... with regards, Mike p.s. Perhaps an addditon to your Jan 11 tournament announcements: the Stationsrijwielstalling in Rijswijk is run by a fellow named Hans Welp. He said ( in the morning before last years tournament that if a group called and made a reservation for several bikes they would only have to pay one safety deposit for the bikes and then its a nice ride to the Elsenburgerbos and to ..?..... afterwards ! the old tel number 394 7980 http://utopia.knoware.nl/users/mikeocon From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Nov 25 07:52:29 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id HAA19884; Mon, 25 Nov 1996 07:52:24 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id HAA07665; Mon, 25 Nov 1996 07:48:16 GMT Received: from crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id HAA07660; Mon, 25 Nov 1996 07:48:07 GMT Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 07:48:03 GMT From: Mr R C Doswell Message-Id: <27746.199611250748@crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Received: by crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk id HAA27746; Mon, 25 Nov 1996 07:48:03 GMT To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: (UK) BUF Events Reminder Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO British Ultimate Federation Disc Events Diary --------------------------------------------- November 1996 ------------- Saturday 30 November 1996 SFA Indoor tourny (2 days) @ Farnborough, Hants Student Indoor Regional - South West (2 days) @ Southampton Student Indoor Regionals (2 days) TBC December 1996 ------------- Saturday 7 December 1996 Stanmer Park Disc Golf Tournament (2 days) (Non-Ultimate) @ Stanmer Park Saturday 14 December 1996 Southampton Indoors (2 days) @ Southampton February 1997 ------------- Saturday 8 February 1997 Newport Indoors (2 days) @ Newport Saturday 22 February 1997 BUF Student Indoor Finals (2 days) @ Leeds (TBC) March 1997 ---------- Saturday 1 March 1997 National Indoor Regionals (2 days) Saturday 8 March 1997 Warwick Indoors (2 days) @ Coventry Saturday 22 March 1997 National Indoor Finals (2 days) April 1997 ---------- Saturday 19 April 1997 Leicester Outdoors (2 days) @ Victoria Park, Leicester Saturday 26 April 1997 Student Outdoors (2 days) TBC August 1997 ----------- Saturday 23 August 1997 1997 BDGA Championships (2 days) (Non-Ultimate) TBC September 1997 -------------- Thursday 11 September 1997 British Open (4 days) --------------------------------------------------------------- British Ultimate Federation Disc Events Diary http://www.csv.warwick.ac.uk:5201/cgi-bin/diary Ranulf Doswell, ralf@dcs.warwick.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Nov 25 16:00:40 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id QAA29456; Mon, 25 Nov 1996 16:00:32 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id PAA17808; Mon, 25 Nov 1996 15:51:41 GMT Received: from renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id PAA17799; Mon, 25 Nov 1996 15:51:29 GMT Received: from arran.sms.ed.ac.uk (arran.sms.ed.ac.uk [129.215.141.2]) by renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk (8.6.13/8.6.12) with ESMTP id PAA19693 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 1996 15:51:26 GMT Received: from SMS-ARRAN/SpoolDir by arran.sms.ed.ac.uk (Mercury 1.21); 25 Nov 96 15:54:31 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by SMS-ARRAN (Mercury 1.21); 25 Nov 96 15:54:01 +0000 From: "Runrunrunboingwheeecrunchouch!" <8944852@arran.sms.ed.ac.uk> Organization: Student Mail Service To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 15:53:57 +0000 Subject: Calling Bolton, aka Tricky Ganjsters Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <1B30BF7E10AE@arran.sms.ed.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hi, does anyone have a contact no./email for the lads from Bolton? They stayed at my place during the recent beginners tournament and left one or two wee souvenirs (some intentionally, some not) that I'd like to contact them about. Cheers Leo From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Nov 25 21:29:20 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id VAA14355; Mon, 25 Nov 1996 21:29:16 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id VAA24413; Mon, 25 Nov 1996 21:24:13 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id VAA24406; Mon, 25 Nov 1996 21:24:03 GMT Received: from arl-img-3.compuserve.com by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id VAA13845; Mon, 25 Nov 1996 21:23:57 GMT Received: by arl-img-3.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id QAA24973; Mon, 25 Nov 1996 16:23:22 -0500 Date: 25 Nov 96 16:20:05 EST From: Jim McDonnell <100422.1474@compuserve.com> To: Britdisc Subject: Last chance for charity.... Message-ID: <961125212005_100422.1474_JHU129-4@CompuServe.COM> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hi all - apologies to those of you who've already entered (and are probably wondering when you're going to get the %$*&&* sponsor forms!), but we thought we'd post a final invite/reminder to our charity tournament; we still have room for a team or two, so if the idea of playing 15 games over a 24-hour period (with little or no sleep, minimal creature comforts and the usual bunch of reprobates and no-hopers for company) appeals to you, email me back right away so we can get the sponsor forms off to you. Entry 'fee' is L200 of sponsorship per team, it's all for Great Ormond Street Children's Hospital and it's on December 7th and 8th 12noon - 12 noon. If you don't have a team to play for and still fancy the idea, let me know and we'll try to work out some kind of individual sponsorship entry money deal if we get enough players for a pickup team. Advance thanks to everyone who's raising money for GOSH/Damn your black hearts, child murderers (delete as applicable) Cheers - Jim From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Nov 26 15:57:54 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id PAA01535; Tue, 26 Nov 1996 15:57:48 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id PAA10668; Tue, 26 Nov 1996 15:51:07 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id PAA10661; Tue, 26 Nov 1996 15:50:50 GMT Received: from venus.le.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id PAA00072; Tue, 26 Nov 1996 15:50:44 GMT Received: from hawk.le.ac.uk by venus.le.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Tue, 26 Nov 1996 15:56:02 +0000 Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 15:46:47 +0000 (GMT) From: Scott X-Sender: iws1@hawk To: britdisc Subject: GB Managers Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO The BUF is pleased to announce the appointment of the managers of the GB squads. Firstly though, the BUF would like to thank all those who put themselves forward for the various posts and made it hard to the selection committee to make-up their minds. The following appointments have been made; Masters Team Manager Max Keogh Juniors Team Manager Patch Winser Women's Team Manager Sue Underwood Open Team Manager Simon Moore All posts will be reviewed after Worlds 98. Congratulations to Max, Patch, Sue and Simon, the BUF wish them every success for the coming years of competition. Scott BUF National Director /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ SCOTT: Ian Scotland Tel: 0116 2525824 Fax: 0116 2523154 E-mail: iws1@le.ac.uk http://wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk/buf/ /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Nov 26 18:32:28 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id SAA28357; Tue, 26 Nov 1996 18:32:20 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id SAA14069; Tue, 26 Nov 1996 18:27:33 GMT Received: from violet.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id SAA14064; Tue, 26 Nov 1996 18:27:26 GMT Received: from admin.warwick.ac.uk by violet.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id SAA28599; Tue, 26 Nov 1996 18:27:14 GMT Received: from SIGMA/MERCURY by admin.warwick.ac.uk (Mercury 1.21); 26 Nov 96 18:25:56 +0000 Received: from MERCURY by SIGMA (Mercury 1.21); 26 Nov 96 18:25:27 +0000 From: "DEREK ROBINS" Organization: University of Warwick, CV4 7AL, UK To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 18:25:25 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Disc Golf on TV Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.1 (R1a) Message-ID: <1F68CE35DBF@admin.warwick.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO James Pearce from the Beeb turned up on Saturday with a cameraman and spent 3.5 hours filming us playing and talking about the sport. This will be condensed down to about 5 minutes and will go out on BBC Breakfast TV some time in the next few weeks when they are light on news stories. ######################## Still no sign of the article in Express. ######################## The BDGA newsletter has been produced and I will mail it out over the next few days when I can get some more envelopes. If you are interested in disc golf and have not yet joined why not do so now and get the latest news. Del *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*- Derek Robins | | D.J.Robins@admin.warwick.ac.uk Management Accountant | | Tel 01203 523523 x2710 Finance Office | | Fax 01203 524573 University of Warwick | | Room 343 Coventry CV4 7AL | | Senate House *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*- From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Nov 27 09:41:38 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id JAA01675; Wed, 27 Nov 1996 09:41:34 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id JAA23566; Wed, 27 Nov 1996 09:35:12 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id JAA23552; Wed, 27 Nov 1996 09:35:02 GMT Received: from utrecht.knoware.nl by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id JAA01008; Wed, 27 Nov 1996 09:34:57 GMT Received: from [193.78.121.4] (mac-4.knoware.nl [193.78.121.4]) by utrecht.knoware.nl (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA22816; Wed, 27 Nov 1996 10:33:19 +0100 X-Sender: mikeocon@pop.knoware.nl Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 10:36:21 +0100 To: Toby Green , britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk, eurodisc@ira.uka.de From: mikeocon@knoware.nl (Dulcimer Disc Sport / Baseball School) Subject: DiscSport Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hi Toby, I just signed on to Brit Disc and I see a disc sport name from the past! I also see you have an elsevier address , is it possible you know a fellow named Lee Pierce. I played baseballwith him when with the London Warriors and I remember he worked for Elseviers. I alo remember you putting on a some tournaments back in the LesBryant/Con Cummins time. I joined the BDGA as member #49 and recently enjoyed a grandmasters win in Colchester. ( More reently 3 hours walking in the rain in Jambes for the DiscGolf WinterTour Benelux, good fun, nice folks. Next stop on the tour Dec 7th in Tilburg, Mexican dinner afterwards for fl. 10. Always room for overnighters, should you want to stay an extra day or come a day early and practice the putting. with regards, Mike http://utopia.knoware.nl/users/mikeocon "Children, on average, laugh about 400 times a day. Adults only about 15 times. Scientists who study humor want to know why 385 laughs disappear." -- news report From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Nov 27 23:04:18 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id XAA18469; Wed, 27 Nov 1996 23:04:15 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id WAA08430; Wed, 27 Nov 1996 22:55:36 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id WAA08425; Wed, 27 Nov 1996 22:55:28 GMT Received: from maelstrom.dial.pipex.net by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id WAA17768; Wed, 27 Nov 1996 22:55:26 GMT Received: from typhoon.dial.pipex.net by maelstrom.dial.pipex.net (8.8.2/) id WAA04817; Wed, 27 Nov 1996 22:55:25 GMT Received: from af108.du.pipex.com by typhoon.dial.pipex.net (8.8.2/UUNET PIPEX simple 1.29) id WAA25539; Wed, 27 Nov 1996 22:53:42 GMT Message-ID: <329D3723.5DC2@dial.pipex.com> Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 22:54:27 -0800 From: Rebecca Humphries X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Win95; I; 16bit) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: britdisc Subject: WOMEN - World Clubs, Vancouver 1997 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO World Clubs, Vancouver 1997 The Funky Nuns are making preliminary plans to go to the World Clubs in Vancouver 1997. At the moment we do not have a full squad and we are looking to pick up a number of like minded, good quality women players. We would like to put together a team which is essentially enthusiastic and committed to playing to the best of their ability. We are interested in those who are prepared to put time and effort into training and playing. In theory we would aim to practise at least twice a month (possibly more, depending on geographical spread). Importantly, this week is going to cost eight hundred to one thousand pounds, but this is a fantastic opportunity to experience top quality Ultimate. The philosophy behind the team is to have a really enjoyable week and play the best Ultimate we can. Practices will be co-ordinated by external coaches (some of the Fluid Druids), and a Captain will be chosen by the squad nearer the time for the Tournament. If you are interested in going then please contact: Jennifer Nilson or Rebecca Humphries H: 0181 67 37 538 H: 01296 43 77 45 W: 0171 382 6561 Email: pu72@dial.pipex.com Mobile: 0468 077 280 (until 7th Jan 1997) Team email: funkynun@phidelta.demon.co.uk (Vanessa and Rebecca) We need to know if you are interested NOW, but the first practice would be held in January 1997. Please can everyone circulate this information to anyone they think may be interested. Love the Funky Nuns Rebecca Humphries From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Nov 27 23:14:29 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id XAA19437; Wed, 27 Nov 1996 23:14:26 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id XAA08526; Wed, 27 Nov 1996 23:08:15 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id XAA08521; Wed, 27 Nov 1996 23:08:04 GMT Received: from mailhost.atlas.co.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id XAA18880; Wed, 27 Nov 1996 23:08:01 GMT Received: from by mailhost.atlas.co.uk (4.1/PIPEX simple 1.9) id AB09177; Wed, 27 Nov 96 23:10:15 GMT Message-Id: <9611272310.AB09177@mailhost.atlas.co.uk> Subject: Ultimatum is in the post Date: Wed, 27 Nov 96 23:10:51 +0000 From: Paul Hurt To: "BritDisc" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hello all The news you've all been waiting to hear, ULTIMATUM IS IN THE POST!!! Well almost. Some six-hundred-odd copies have been stuffed in envelopes, addressed, and stamped, and all I've got to do is get them to the Post Office tomorrow. Should be with you by Monday morning. However, I have some doubt about the validity of the contact details I have for the following teams. Will someone from these teams please confirm your contact address, etc. Then I shall post yours too... FUNKY NUNS SHOTGUN DRUIDS Also, I'm under the impression that the following teams have ceased to be (and aren't renewing their BUF membership)... MIRANDA OXY 7 TOP BANANA If this is not so, again, let me know what's happening. Thanks. Happy reading. Paul --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Hurt Editor, Ultimatum Magazine, London, England e-mail aflitho@macline.co.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Nov 27 23:26:27 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id XAA20517; Wed, 27 Nov 1996 23:26:23 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id XAA08610; Wed, 27 Nov 1996 23:11:34 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id XAA08508; Wed, 27 Nov 1996 23:07:25 GMT Received: from mailhost.atlas.co.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id XAA18830; Wed, 27 Nov 1996 23:07:22 GMT Received: from [193.131.167.91] (line127.atlas.co.uk) by mailhost.atlas.co.uk (4.1/PIPEX simple 1.9) id AA09177; Wed, 27 Nov 96 23:09:34 GMT Message-Id: <9611272309.AA09177@mailhost.atlas.co.uk> Subject: Ultimatum Magazine issue 34 Date: Wed, 27 Nov 96 23:10:20 +0000 From: Paul Hurt To: "BritDisc" , "EuroDisc" , "rsd reflector" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO ULTIMATUM 34 NOW AVAILABLE ========================== Issue 34 of Ultimatum Magazine is out now. I can confirm that the mailout HAS taken place - subscribers will be receiving their copies just as soon as the world's various postal services can get them to you. In this issue ============= * Worlds '96 - four colour pages. Full review, great pics. * Ultimate the Swedish Way - by Dan Engstrom. Why the Swedes dominate European Ultimate. * Ultimate Basics - Player-to-player D. * News - UPA regionals results, Worlds '98 preview, WFDF Congress, Ultim-8 tour, Swedish Nationals, etc. * and more. About Ultimatum =============== Ultimatum is a professionally produced, full-colour, 16-page Ultimate magazine. It began life in the early eighties as the British Ultimate Federation newsletter. These days it contains features, tactics ideas, great photos, plus news from the UK and around the world. Ultimatum is a non-profit-making (little doubt about that!) venture of the British Ultimate Federation. For more information ==================== E-mail me at the address below to find out how to receive Ultimatum. Thank you to everyone around the world who helped make this issue another cracker - the mag's on the way :-) See you. Paul --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Hurt Editor, Ultimatum Magazine, London, England e-mail aflitho@macline.co.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Nov 27 23:38:55 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id XAA21516; Wed, 27 Nov 1996 23:38:52 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id XAA08874; Wed, 27 Nov 1996 23:35:10 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id XAA08850; Wed, 27 Nov 1996 23:35:00 GMT Received: from maelstrom.dial.pipex.net by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id XAA21149; Wed, 27 Nov 1996 23:34:58 GMT Received: from typhoon.dial.pipex.net by maelstrom.dial.pipex.net (8.8.2/) id XAA19693; Wed, 27 Nov 1996 23:34:57 GMT Received: from ae229.du.pipex.com by typhoon.dial.pipex.net (8.8.2/UUNET PIPEX simple 1.29) id XAA03688; Wed, 27 Nov 1996 23:33:31 GMT Message-ID: <329D40A2.4CB8@dial.pipex.com> Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 23:34:58 -0800 From: Rebecca Humphries X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Win95; I; 16bit) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: britdisc Subject: Funky Nuns contact Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO To Paul and anyone else concerned The Funky Nuns current contact is as follows. Vanessa White 13 Netherhall Gardens Hampstead London NW3 5RN H: 0171 435 8837 W: 0171 486 1066 Email: funkynun@phidelta.demon.co.uk Please can someone amend the web page. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Nov 28 00:08:09 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id AAA23314; Thu, 28 Nov 1996 00:08:04 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id AAA09213; Thu, 28 Nov 1996 00:01:57 GMT Received: from crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id AAA09208; Thu, 28 Nov 1996 00:01:50 GMT Date: Thu, 28 Nov 1996 00:01:47 GMT From: Ralf Message-Id: <28668.199611280001@crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Received: by crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk id AAA28668; Thu, 28 Nov 1996 00:01:47 GMT To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: BUF Events Reminder Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO Brief re-send, as I forgot to add a few events recently... British Ultimate Federation Disc Events Diary --------------------------------------------- November 1996 ------------- Saturday 30 November 1996 SFA Indoor tourny (2 days) @ Farnborough, Hants Student Indoor Regional - South West (2 days) @ Southampton Student Indoor Regionals (MIDLANDS) (2 days) @ Sheffield Student Indoor Regionals (NORTH) (2 days) @ Lancaster December 1996 ------------- Saturday 7 December 1996 Stanmer Park Disc Golf Tournament (2 days) (Non-Ultimate) @ Stanmer Park Women's Indoor Tournament (2 days) @ Headinton Girls Schoool, London Road, Headington, Oxford. Saturday 14 December 1996 Southampton Indoors (2 days) @ Southampton January 1997 ------------ Saturday 18 January 1997 Student Indoor Regionals (SOUTH EAST) (2 days) TBC @ Oxford February 1997 ------------- Saturday 8 February 1997 Furious Five II (2 days) (Non-UK event) @ Odense, DK Newport Indoors (2 days) @ Newport Saturday 22 February 1997 BUF Student Indoor Finals (2 days) @ Leeds (TBC) March 1997 ---------- Saturday 1 March 1997 National Indoor Regionals (2 days) Saturday 8 March 1997 Warwick Indoors (2 days) @ Coventry Saturday 15 March 1997 Wolves Indoors (2 days) @ Wolverhampton (???) Saturday 22 March 1997 National Indoor Finals (2 days) April 1997 ---------- Saturday 19 April 1997 Leicester Outdoors (2 days) @ Victoria Park, Leicester Saturday 26 April 1997 Student Outdoors (2 days) TBC July 1997 --------- Sunday 27 July 1997 World Ultimate Club Championships (WUCC'97) (7 days) (Non-UK event) @ Vancouver, CA August 1997 ----------- Saturday 23 August 1997 1997 BDGA Championships (2 days) (Non-Ultimate) TBC September 1997 -------------- Thursday 11 September 1997 British Open (4 days) --------------------------------------------------------------- British Ultimate Federation Disc Events Diary http://www.csv.warwick.ac.uk:5201/cgi-bin/diary Ranulf Doswell, ralf@dcs.warwick.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Nov 28 19:56:03 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id TAA26929; Thu, 28 Nov 1996 19:55:59 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id TAA25662; Thu, 28 Nov 1996 19:52:12 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id TAA25657; Thu, 28 Nov 1996 19:51:57 GMT Received: from relay-11.mail.demon.net by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id TAA26645; Thu, 28 Nov 1996 19:51:49 GMT Received: from lurker.demon.co.uk ([158.152.56.63]) by relay-10.mail.demon.net id aa1022288; 28 Nov 96 19:39 GMT Date: Thu, 28 Nov 1996 16:47:08 +0100 Message-ID: <115@lurker.demon.co.uk> From: Howard Lurker Organization: None Reply-To: layout@lurker.demon.co.uk To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Re: DiscSport X-Mailer: Newswin Alpha 0.9.1 Lines: 18 Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO mikeocon@knoware.nl writes: > To: Toby Green , britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk, > eurodisc@ira.uka.de [Snip private correspondance] Spam spam spam spam, spaaaaaam, luverly spaaaaaaam.... Still... it's better than that 200 line .sig eh? ;) Howie. -- __ @ Lurkers Flying Disc Club / / --- (( ( ( ( 0 " A Trim Would Have Done It " ___/| Ultimate Matured in England For 13 Years / howard@lurker.demon.co.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Dec 2 07:51:33 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id HAA09191; Mon, 2 Dec 1996 07:51:28 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id HAA23126; Mon, 2 Dec 1996 07:47:26 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id HAA23120; Mon, 2 Dec 1996 07:47:17 GMT Received: from hil-img-5.compuserve.com by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id HAA09004; Mon, 2 Dec 1996 07:47:12 GMT Received: by hil-img-5.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id CAA13344; Mon, 2 Dec 1996 02:46:34 -0500 Date: 02 Dec 96 02:44:09 EST From: Jim McDonnell <100422.1474@compuserve.com> To: Britdisc Subject: Absolutely positively last chance... Message-ID: <961202074408_100422.1474_JHU48-1@CompuServe.COM> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO The Great Ormond Street Charity 24-Hour Ultimate Tournament is this weekend; we're already looking at raising thousands of pounds for the charity, but we could do better. there's still some space left for a team or 2, and for individual players - if you think you or your team would like to join in the fun, email me right away at this address, or phone 0181 444 8695 and we can fax you the sponsor forms and directions. Don't be an Ebeneezer - chuck for charity! Cheers - Jim From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Dec 2 07:51:50 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id HAA09202; Mon, 2 Dec 1996 07:51:46 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id HAA23139; Mon, 2 Dec 1996 07:48:13 GMT Received: from crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id HAA23134; Mon, 2 Dec 1996 07:48:06 GMT Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 07:48:04 GMT From: Mr R C Doswell Message-Id: <21871.199612020748@crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Received: by crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk id HAA21871; Mon, 2 Dec 1996 07:48:04 GMT To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: BUF Events Reminder Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO British Ultimate Federation Disc Events Diary --------------------------------------------- December 1996 ------------- Saturday 7 December 1996 Stanmer Park Disc Golf Tournament (2 days) (Non-Ultimate) @ Stanmer Park Women's Indoor Tournament (2 days) @ Headinton Girls Schoool, London Road, Headington, Oxford. Saturday 14 December 1996 Southampton Indoors (2 days) @ Southampton January 1997 ------------ Saturday 18 January 1997 Student Indoor Regionals (SOUTH EAST) (2 days) TBC @ Oxford February 1997 ------------- Saturday 8 February 1997 Newport Indoors (2 days) @ Newport Saturday 22 February 1997 BUF Student Indoor Finals (2 days) @ Leeds (TBC) March 1997 ---------- Saturday 1 March 1997 National Indoor Regionals (2 days) Saturday 8 March 1997 Warwick Indoors (2 days) @ Coventry Saturday 15 March 1997 Wolves Indoors (2 days) @ Wolverhampton (???) Saturday 22 March 1997 National Indoor Finals (2 days) April 1997 ---------- Saturday 5 April 1997 BUF Tour I (2 days) TBC @ Leeds Saturday 19 April 1997 Leicester Outdoors (2 days) @ Victoria Park, Leicester Saturday 26 April 1997 Student Outdoors (2 days) TBC @ TBA May 1997 -------- Saturday 24 May 1997 BUF Tour III (2 days) TBC @ TBA June 1997 --------- Saturday 21 June 1997 BUF Tour IV : Southampton Outdoors (2 days) @ Southampton August 1997 ----------- Saturday 23 August 1997 1997 BDGA Championships (2 days) (Non-Ultimate) TBC Sunday 24 August 1997 EFDF European Ultimate Championships (7 days) @ Millfield School, Street, Somerset, UK September 1997 -------------- Thursday 11 September 1997 British Open (4 days) --------------------------------------------------------------- British Ultimate Federation Disc Events Diary http://www.csv.warwick.ac.uk:5201/cgi-bin/diary Ranulf Doswell, ralf@dcs.warwick.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Dec 2 10:23:38 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id KAA23814; Mon, 2 Dec 1996 10:23:33 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id KAA25139; Mon, 2 Dec 1996 10:16:06 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id KAA25122; Mon, 2 Dec 1996 10:15:37 GMT Received: from venus.le.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id KAA22610; Mon, 2 Dec 1996 10:15:19 GMT Received: from hawk.le.ac.uk by venus.le.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Mon, 2 Dec 1996 10:21:44 +0000 Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 10:12:12 +0000 (GMT) From: Scott X-Sender: iws1@hawk To: Mr R C Doswell cc: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Re: BUF Events Reminder In-Reply-To: <21871.199612020748@crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO I noticed some dates missing! > January 1997 > ------------ > > Saturday 18 January 1997 > Student Indoor Regionals (SOUTH EAST) (2 days) TBC > @ Oxford > *************************************** Saturday 25 January 1997 BUF Women's Indoors (2 days) @ Brum *************************************** > February 1997 > ------------- *************************************** Saturday 1 February 1997 Red Co-ed Indoors (2 days) @ Leicester *************************************** > > Saturday 8 February 1997 > Newport Indoors (2 days) > @ Newport > > Saturday 22 February 1997 > BUF Student Indoor Finals (2 days) > @ Leeds (TBC) > > March 1997 > ---------- > > Saturday 1 March 1997 > National Indoor Regionals (2 days) > > Saturday 8 March 1997 > Warwick Indoors (2 days) > @ Coventry > > Saturday 15 March 1997 > Wolves Indoors (2 days) > @ Wolverhampton (???) > > Saturday 22 March 1997 > National Indoor Finals (2 days) > > April 1997 > ---------- > > Saturday 5 April 1997 > BUF Tour I (2 days) TBC > @ Leeds > > Saturday 19 April 1997 ************************************ > Leicester Outdoors (2 days) - should read ***BUF Tour II*** ************************************ > @ Victoria Park, Leicester > > Saturday 26 April 1997 > Student Outdoors (2 days) TBC > @ TBA > > May 1997 > -------- > > Saturday 24 May 1997 > BUF Tour III (2 days) TBC > @ TBA > > June 1997 > --------- ************************************* Saturday 7 June 1997 Red Co-ed Outdoors (2 days) @ Countesthorpe, Leics ************************************* > > Saturday 21 June 1997 > BUF Tour IV : Southampton Outdoors (2 days) > @ Southampton > > August 1997 > ----------- > > Saturday 23 August 1997 > 1997 BDGA Championships (2 days) (Non-Ultimate) TBC > > Sunday 24 August 1997 > EFDF European Ultimate Championships (7 days) > @ Millfield School, Street, Somerset, UK > > September 1997 > -------------- > > Thursday 11 September 1997 > British Open (4 days) > > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > British Ultimate Federation Disc Events Diary > http://www.csv.warwick.ac.uk:5201/cgi-bin/diary > Ranulf Doswell, ralf@dcs.warwick.ac.uk > /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ SCOTT: Ian Scotland Tel: 0116 2525824 Fax: 0116 2523154 E-mail: iws1@le.ac.uk http://wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk/buf/ /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Dec 2 10:41:25 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id KAA26310; Mon, 2 Dec 1996 10:41:21 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id KAA25402; Mon, 2 Dec 1996 10:33:53 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id KAA25397; Mon, 2 Dec 1996 10:33:47 GMT Received: from dryctnath.mmu.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id KAA25218; Mon, 2 Dec 1996 10:33:45 GMT Received: from ghondr.mmu.ac.uk by dryctnath.mmu.ac.uk with SMTP (MMTA) with ESMTP; Mon, 2 Dec 1996 10:33:26 +0000 Received: from MMU-HSS-GHONDR/SpoolDir by ghondr.mmu.ac.uk (Mercury 1.21); 2 Dec 96 10:33:52 +0100 Received: from SpoolDir by MMU-HSS-GHONDR (Mercury 1.30); 2 Dec 96 10:33:30 +0100 From: Lawrence PAULSON <94853843@mmu.ac.uk> Organization: Manchester Metropolitan University To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 10:33:25 +0100 Subject: BD: Toilet Roll Tournament Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <3C3721359F1@ghondr.mmu.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO Dear All, Here's an UNOFFICIAL report on this weekends Midland Student Indoor Regionals at Sheffield from a vaguely Fingerish perspective. I'm sure Simon or somebody will post the full listing but here's some results that I remember. Qualifiers: 1.Bears 2.Jesters I 3.Phat'Eds I 4.Fingers 6 I ---------------- 5.Superfly (Plate and Spirit) 9.Purple Haze II (Spoon) We (Fingers 6) had 2 teams at this tournament, as did Bears, Jesters, Phat'Eds and Purple Haze with Superfly and Hot Stamp Rejects making up a total of 12 teams. This meant that all the games at the rather smashing Hillsborough Leisure Centre were good and long, and the pitches were a good size, even with the sports hall divided along it's length by a wire festooned (if I can be so bold) with strips of toilet roll (apparently the centre had no facilities to divide the hall along the way they wanted it, and so showing great initiative the tourny organisers applied their improvisational skills- hence the bog roll curtain). Fingers had 2 teams (Guides and Brownies- in salute to the Bears 2nd team; Cubs). In the first team we swept the board in our group- a feat unprecedented in Fingers 6 history, giving us a 5-0 winning record on Saturday evening. Our 2nd team faired slightly worse, having to play both the eventual finalists (Bears and Jesters) in their first 2 games and losing heavily, but managed to end the day with a win over Rejects. The party, featuring Diamond Dave's Diamond Nights Disco (or something), was held at a small hotel somewhere in suburban Sheffield. Living up to their glorious history Rejects were triumphant in the beer races. The weirdest thing on Saturday night, personally speaking, was being unable to get to sleep for the nervous excitement I was feeling about play on Sunday. As I said, it was the first time I had ever been playing for a team which topped it's group on Saturday at a tournament and suddenly we were 2 games away from the final. Although Bears were the favourites, they had been held to a draw by Phat'Eds proving that they were human after all, so if ever a tournament was there for the taking- this was it. Sunday then, and our first game was the make-or-break QF against Cubs (Bears II). Win, and we qualify for the finals. Lose and you don't. Simple as that. Fortunately, we won. We even debuted a new call (Trainspottingesque) which seemed to go down (literally) quite well. Next, we met Jesters in our Semi and finally met our match. They totally trashed our D, and made it very difficult for us on O, although we rallied towards the end and brought it back to 10-8 at time. Our final game was the 3/4th against Phat'Eds- by which time our lack of subs began to tell, and we frankly played awful- but credit to Phat'Eds they were mad for it, particularly with Fantasy Frisbee points on offer, and ran away comfortable winners. Elsewhere, Fingers II, managed to make their way to the spoon final, but were beaten by Haze II- but the good thing was seeing how much all the 2nd teams improved over the weekend. The final was a close affair between Jesters and Bears, marred by a horrific head injury to Jesters' Neil. He did manage to walk off the pitch, after a posse of leisure centre staff arrived (to have a good nosey by the looks of things), so hopefully he's OK. The result couldn't have been closer. With 1 minute to go Jester pulled level at 6-6, Bears worked it up the pitch with the clock ticking down, until just when it looked as if we'd have sudden death overtime, with the clock at exactly 2 seconds, the pass went in and was caught with 1 second remaining. Bears win 7-6. So to sum up.. Another great tournament to add to the collection. The organisation was spot on- full marks to Simon and the Phat'Eds and the venue excellent. Everyone played really hard, and spirit was good throughout and Superfly won the Spirit vote. Any gripes? Well no not really- maybe I'm getting old and more philosophical. Ho hum. Finals, here we come.... Love and Luck, Lawrence PAULSON. Chair, Fingers 6 (Manchester,UK) Ultimate Frisbee Club. Tel: (0161) 882-0560 From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Dec 2 11:14:14 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA02458; Mon, 2 Dec 1996 11:14:09 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id KAA26016; Mon, 2 Dec 1996 10:59:44 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id KAA26008; Mon, 2 Dec 1996 10:59:36 GMT Received: from venus.le.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id KAA29895; Mon, 2 Dec 1996 10:59:23 GMT Received: from hawk.le.ac.uk by venus.le.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Mon, 2 Dec 1996 11:06:07 +0000 Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 10:56:43 +0000 (GMT) From: Scott X-Sender: iws1@hawk To: britdisc Subject: SFA Indoors Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO SFA Indoors - Tournament report Having vowed never to play indoors again, I found myself attending one of the first indoors of the season. Indoors can place some real abuses on your body (not just playing) but has a fun community spirit which was very much alive at this tournament. First of all thanks to Kevin and SFA for putting on this event. The inspired move of starting the tournament at 12.00 midday on saturday allowed us for once to get up a reasonable hour and still be on time for our first game, which for Red turned out to be the first game of the tournament. 12 teams were there in all. No new faces, but a few old ones in unusual surroundings (i.e. Nolan, of BGA/Shotgun, Debbie Salmon with a pillow shoved up her t-shirt... you weren't fooling anyone!). I lie actually there was one new team from Farnborough itself called winning losers who were playing for just the second time ever! The competition was split into two pools of six and was structured in such a way as you could loose all you games in the pool but still win the tournament! Taking advantage of this we went out on fire and lost our first two games against Lurkers (too green) and BGA (new dangers). Being beaten by BGA was a new pleasure with several kids under 14yrs and 5ft simply running us round in circles - watch out! After this rude awakening we got it together and won the rest of our games to finish fourth in our table, Stanley Peaks, Forever Hopeful and Angels made up the remainder of the table in which no-one clearly stood out. The other pool was exciting with Mr Men, Blue Arse Flies, Playthings, Zebedees, SFA and Winning losers. The favourites Playthings and MrMen had to be happy trailing to the Blue Arse Flies after a notable performance by Merrick who was unstoppable in the endzone. If they ever got in trouble up went a hammer and if it was feasibly catchable it would be, with many a defender frustrated. I remember them last year at there first ever tournament and the difference is astonishing! Then came the party. Kevin had arranged for a bar at the officers mess at the local MOD. Security being what it is we had to go to the front gate and phone the millitary police on a number Kevin had given us.... Unfortunately he gave us the wrong number (nob). Eventually he worked out why no-one was in the mess and sent the MPs to let us in..... the prize was beer at a pound a pint, a game of Chubby Bunnies (respect to anyone who can put that many marshmallows in their mouth!) and beer races. The locals - winning losers - won the lot! The second day started at nine with the final pool games after which the top two from each pool went straight into the quarters with the bottom eight playing cross-overs for the remaining four quarter final slots. Nothing contentious happened here. I can't remember which teams met in the semi's, but we (Red) had a tough game against the champs of day 1 BAF to knock them out and go through to semis along with Zebedee's, Mr Men (who were by now a different team .... literally) and Playthings. We met Mr Men in the first semi losing out 7-5 in a frantic battle while Zebedee's suddenly learnt how to play controlled/steady ultimate to defeat Playthings by a point. As we kept on reminding Zebedee's the real final had been our semi with Mr Men since we were obviously the two best teams there.... for some reason this seemed to spur them on to new heights in the final. In a very tight game Mr Men came out just in front with Zebedee's "close but yet so far" from their first ever tournament win. Forever Hopeful in their first outing one the spoon with Zebedee's deservedly winning the Spirit trophey. To re-iterate Chris's words at the prize giving (yes he actually said something that made sense!) this was one of the best spirited tournaments I've been to in a long time (and also very competitive). Spot on. Scott Red (we never play indoors, honest) /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ SCOTT: Ian Scotland Tel: 0116 2525824 Fax: 0116 2523154 E-mail: iws1@le.ac.uk http://wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk/buf/ /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Dec 2 16:36:01 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id QAA06196; Mon, 2 Dec 1996 16:35:55 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id QAA03002; Mon, 2 Dec 1996 16:26:48 GMT Received: from clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id QAA02997; Mon, 2 Dec 1996 16:26:39 GMT Received: from renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id QAA26159; Mon, 2 Dec 1996 16:26:34 GMT Received: from arran.sms.ed.ac.uk (arran.sms.ed.ac.uk [129.215.141.2]) by renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk (8.6.13/8.6.12) with ESMTP id QAA23400 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 1996 16:26:33 GMT Received: from SMS-ARRAN/SpoolDir by arran.sms.ed.ac.uk (Mercury 1.21); 2 Dec 96 16:29:20 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by SMS-ARRAN (Mercury 1.21); 2 Dec 96 16:28:59 +0000 From: "Runrunrunboingwheeecrunchouch!" <8944852@arran.sms.ed.ac.uk> Organization: Student Mail Service To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 16:28:54 +0000 Subject: Lancaster Tournament Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <1BD95BB747CD@arran.sms.ed.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO Howdy, Here's a few potted highlights from an excellent weekend in Lancaster. There were 12 teams in 3 pools and the top two from each pool played the other top two teams from the other pools (with the result from your pool against the other team going through being carried forward) which gave us the top 8 for quarters, semis and finals. Confused? we certainly were, but it all worked out nicely in the end. Sneeeky's I got off to a cracking start with an injury to captain Stuart "Oooh that smarts" McComb in the first point of the first game. Saturday night saw everyone gathering in the spectacularly seedy "Manhattan Club". After a couple of tete-a-tetes with the locals we decided that discretion was the better part of valor and moved to a much larger club. Here Sneeeky's invaded the stage, stripped off and spent the rest of the evening gyrating, waving Scottish flags and shouting "ScooootLaaaand!" Just your average Saturday night really... Sunday saw several upsets-we got dumped by Bradford (though they'd had an early night) and Catch (who'd looked like they were just there to show everyone how many scubas and no-look throws it's possible to have in a single indoor game) got pipped by St. Andrews. Sneeeky's I lost their semi to St. Andrews (well done on finally doing it-it's about bloody time!) and Catch beat Bradford. The final was a very rowdy affair with Sneeeky's I and II and Glasgow making one hell of a din for the Scots and likewise Jedi for Catch. Catch finally triumphed, but only after bringing on "The Gaffer". All in all an absolutely topping weekend and Sneeeky's I winning the Spirit was just the icing on the cake. Many congratulations to all the Lancaster crew for running the whole thing so well. Same again next year please!! Cheers Leo From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Dec 2 17:17:06 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id RAA13141; Mon, 2 Dec 1996 17:17:01 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id RAA03670; Mon, 2 Dec 1996 17:06:36 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id RAA03664; Mon, 2 Dec 1996 17:06:29 GMT Received: from amsta.leeds.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id RAA11322; Mon, 2 Dec 1996 17:06:27 GMT Received: from newton.leeds.amsta (newton.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.64]) by amsta.leeds.ac.uk (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA06725 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 1996 17:08:05 GMT Received: by newton.leeds.amsta (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id RAA17094; Mon, 2 Dec 1996 17:11:08 GMT Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 17:11:08 GMT From: amtsjh@amsta.leeds.ac.uk (S J Hill) Message-Id: <199612021711.RAA17094@newton.leeds.amsta> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Northern Students X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hi Here's a novel thing: a tourney report. Well, a quick one anyway. In fact I was just writing this when Leo's arrived in my mailbox - so I'll just add a couple of things if thats OK.... This w/e saw 3 (out of 4) of the Regional Student Indoor Champs: North, Mids and SW. SE will happen in January as nobody there came forward to host until it was too late. This tourney now has 4 regions in order to allow for people with only one hall to host the event, or to make it small enough for a "first-timer TD" to feel comfortable in taking on the job! And thats what happened: with Lancaster, Sheffield and Southampton being the 3 venues. (I know Soton do lots of tourneys - but the others don't.) With about 12 teams in each tourney it was also possible to have a good schedule with lots of games/long games, etc. Top 4 teams from each region qualify for Finals in Leeds in Feb. Leo's already given a good flavour of what was a great fun, well organised, and well spirited tourney, so I won't repeat all that .. other than to say what a pleasure it was to play in a big hall with big endzones (see eurodisc discussion) and no walls.... and it was a pleasure to see Bob do that greatest play.... even if I did drop it! Thanks to Lancaster... and to the other TDs. See you soon Si From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Dec 3 11:00:09 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA05722; Tue, 3 Dec 1996 11:00:03 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id KAA17410; Tue, 3 Dec 1996 10:50:14 GMT Received: from violet.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id KAA17390; Tue, 3 Dec 1996 10:50:02 GMT Received: from admin.warwick.ac.uk by violet.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id KAA14887; Tue, 3 Dec 1996 10:49:47 GMT Received: from SIGMA/MERCURY by admin.warwick.ac.uk (Mercury 1.21); 3 Dec 96 10:48:36 +0000 Received: from MERCURY by SIGMA (Mercury 1.21); 3 Dec 96 10:48:05 +0000 From: "DEREK ROBINS" Organization: University of Warwick, CV4 7AL, UK To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk, eurodisc@ira.uka.de Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 10:48:02 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Disc Golf on TV Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.1 (R1a) Message-ID: <296F20505F1@admin.warwick.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO The feature on Disc Golf went out soon after 7.30 this morning on BBC Breakfast TV. The film report lasted 160 seconds and showed different players driving and putting. There were interviews with Tony Wakeford and me. There was a little bit of chat between the studio presenters at the end of the piece when the sports presenter handed back to the main news presenter. All the filming took place at my Quarry Park course in Leamington Spa - we had 11 players involved and the baskets were up. The whole feature was very professional as you would expect from the Beeb on a news programme. There was no piss taking or jazzing it up just informative reporting by a sports reporter and it appeared at the end of the sports news. A longer slot would have been nice but all in all it was very good and we wait to see what interest it stirs up. Del *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*- Derek Robins | | D.J.Robins@admin.warwick.ac.uk Management Accountant | | Tel 01203 523523 x2710 Finance Office | | Fax 01203 524573 University of Warwick | | Room 343 Coventry CV4 7AL | | Senate House *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*- From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Dec 3 12:23:33 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id MAA19177; Tue, 3 Dec 1996 12:23:28 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id MAA19226; Tue, 3 Dec 1996 12:13:10 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id MAA19216; Tue, 3 Dec 1996 12:12:56 GMT Received: from beech.soton.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id MAA17511; Tue, 3 Dec 1996 12:12:53 GMT Received: from bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk (bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.64.201]) by beech.soton.ac.uk (8.6.12/hub-8.5a) with SMTP id MAA23710 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 1996 12:12:47 GMT Received: from life.ecs.soton.ac.uk by bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk; Tue, 3 Dec 96 12:10:50 GMT From: Andrew Kayley Message-Id: <18077.199612031222@tarrant.ecs.soton.ac.uk> Subject: Student Indoors South West To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk (British Disc Mailing List) Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 12:22:49 +0000 (GMT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO To anyone who is interested, the South West Qualifiers this weekend went really well and suprisingly smoothly. The final placings are as follows: 1 - Skunks 1 2 - Picnic 1 3 - Mythago 1 4 - Skunks 2 ------------- 5 - Discult 6 - Hint of Lime 7 - Picnic 2 8 - Uriel 1 9 - Mythago 2 10 - Picninc 3 11 - Uriel 2 12 - Skunks 3 I can remember any of the scores apart from the final as I was there, the score didn't reflect the level of play at all (oooo have I heard that a few time before) but this time it was true. The Skunks won 21 - 6. That's your lot for now. Andy - Skunks From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Dec 3 14:15:36 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id OAA07650; Tue, 3 Dec 1996 14:15:27 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id OAA21383; Tue, 3 Dec 1996 14:05:49 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id OAA21376; Tue, 3 Dec 1996 14:05:25 GMT Received: from mail2.lancs.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id OAA05861; Tue, 3 Dec 1996 14:05:21 GMT Received: from ufs1.lancs.ac.uk (actually host ufs1-atm.lancs.ac.uk) by mail2.lancs.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Tue, 3 Dec 1996 14:01:30 +0000 Received: from [148.88.15.109] (music-mac9.lancs.ac.uk [148.88.15.109]) by ufs1.lancs.ac.uk (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA25100 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 1996 14:01:13 GMT X-Sender: boynton@pop.lancs.ac.uk Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 15:06:50 +0100 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: N.Boynton@lancaster.ac.uk (Neil Boynton) Subject: Northern Students: top four Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO The top four placings at the Northern Student Indoors at Lancaster this last w/e were: 1 Catch 22 2 Flying Sorcerers I 3 Sneekys I 4 Bradford I Can't remember any more than that, except that Fish I came eighth. Many thanks to all those who took part. TTFN Neil (Reservoir Fish) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Dec 3 16:03:02 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id QAA01137; Tue, 3 Dec 1996 16:02:58 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id PAA23584; Tue, 3 Dec 1996 15:55:19 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id PAA23572; Tue, 3 Dec 1996 15:55:05 GMT From: dmurray@soton.ac.uk Received: from beech.soton.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id PAA29583; Tue, 3 Dec 1996 15:55:03 GMT Received: from acacia.sucs.soton.ac.uk (acacia.sucs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.128.232]) by beech.soton.ac.uk (8.6.12/hub-8.5a) with ESMTP id PAA03074 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 1996 15:54:28 GMT Received: from ash.soton.ac.uk (ash.soton.ac.uk [152.78.128.88]) by acacia.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.2/server) with SMTP id NAA05922 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 1996 13:54:13 GMT Received: (from dmurray@localhost) by ash.soton.ac.uk (8.6.10/client-8.8) id NAA15589 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Mon, 2 Dec 1996 13:54:12 GMT Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 13:54:12 GMT Message-Id: <199612021354.NAA15589@ash.soton.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: SW Students X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Dec 3 18:47:00 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id SAA26325; Tue, 3 Dec 1996 18:46:55 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id SAA26778; Tue, 3 Dec 1996 18:38:45 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id SAA26772; Tue, 3 Dec 1996 18:38:32 GMT Received: from renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id SAA25332; Tue, 3 Dec 1996 18:38:29 GMT Received: from mull.sms.ed.ac.uk (mull.sms.ed.ac.uk [129.215.141.1]) by renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk (8.6.13/8.6.12) with ESMTP id SAA00175 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 1996 18:38:28 GMT Received: from SMS-MULL/SpoolDir by mull.sms.ed.ac.uk (Mercury 1.21); 3 Dec 96 18:40:33 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by SMS-MULL (Mercury 1.21); 3 Dec 96 18:40:33 +0000 From: "BARRY O'KANE" <9363680@mull.sms.ed.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 18:40:29 +0000 Subject: STUDENTS Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hi all, Some clubs have still not returned the Student survey that went out over a month ago! Please if you have not done so then send it to me NOW. If you have not recived one (or lost yours) then contact me for another copy. BARRY PS Congrats to everyone that took part in and helped to run the three regionals this weekend - not a single gripe - not bad! From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Dec 3 20:14:31 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id UAA04279; Tue, 3 Dec 1996 20:14:26 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id UAA28029; Tue, 3 Dec 1996 20:10:14 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id UAA28023; Tue, 3 Dec 1996 20:10:04 GMT Received: from phidelta.demon.co.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id UAA03960; Tue, 3 Dec 1996 20:09:58 GMT Date: Sun, 01 Dec 1996 19:17:18 GMT From: druid@phidelta.demon.co.uk (Fluid Druids Ultimate Team) Reply-To: druid@phidelta.demon.co.uk Message-Id: <3764@phidelta.demon.co.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Newport Indoors Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO Wayne Retter, Treasurer Fluid Druids - theultimatefrisbeeteam http://www.dreamer.demon.co.uk/druids.htm X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Lines: 16 It's on the BUF diary and we've booked the hall and written a schedule. Invites will be issued to every team (that wants one) early in the week after the GOSH 24hr do, after that, first 15 cheques secure places. How much? Who to? and the address to post to will be included with the other info that we'll include with the invites. Dates: February 08 and 09 1997, Venue: The Newport Centre, Gwent. ...................................... : FLUID DRUIDS : : theultimatefrisbeeteam : : Druid@phidelta.demon.co.uk : : http://www.dreamer.demon.co.uk/ : :....................................: From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Dec 4 10:02:22 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id KAA28553; Wed, 4 Dec 1996 10:02:18 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id JAA09078; Wed, 4 Dec 1996 09:57:03 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id JAA09050; Wed, 4 Dec 1996 09:56:08 GMT Received: from stone.dcs.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id JAA27832; Wed, 4 Dec 1996 09:56:03 GMT From: Ralf Message-Id: <23594.199612040956@stone.dcs.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Southampton Ulty (fwd) To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 09:55:58 +0000 (GMT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO Forwarded message: From: Giles Stoddard 0181 420 3845 Subject: Southampton Ulty Andy, Have you sent out the invites for the Southampton tournament on the 14th/15th December? If so, have you sent one to Kevin Lowe for Tribal? Cheers, Giles Tribal Desire From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Dec 4 10:03:04 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id KAA28647; Wed, 4 Dec 1996 10:03:00 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id JAA09040; Wed, 4 Dec 1996 09:55:37 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id JAA09012; Wed, 4 Dec 1996 09:55:14 GMT Received: from stone.dcs.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id JAA27664; Wed, 4 Dec 1996 09:55:10 GMT From: Ralf Message-Id: <23533.199612040955@stone.dcs.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Looking for superfly To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 09:55:07 +0000 (GMT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO Forwarded message: Date: 03 Dec 96 17:32:09 EST From: Jim McDonnell <100422.1474@compuserve.com> To: Britdisc , "Eurodisc (all)" Subject: Looking for a Superfly Guy.... Message-ID: <961203223209_100422.1474_JHU61-1@CompuServe.COM> With apologies to all EuroDiscers for whom this is irrelevant and uninteresting..... Hi y'all - if anyone can help I'd be most grateful; I had a call tonight from Adriano of Superfly regarding our charity tournament, but my answer machine cut him off 3 digits short of a full phone number. And naturally, no matter who I've called tonight, no-one has a contact number for him or any other Superfly. So.... if you know any member of the Superfly team, could you please pass this message on - Yes, we have room for another team at the tournament this weekend; and yes the entry fee is L200 of sponsorship, but you can always play the tourney and then raise the money ASAP afterwards. If you get this message in time to come along, then please contact me on 0181 444 8695 (but be aware that you're limited to 1 minute of message time!) or mobile on 0976 720001. I can get sponsor forms to you right away if you have access to a fax. Cheers all - Jim ____ ____ _ _ ____ __ _\__ \ _\__ \ / \ / \\__/ Ranulf Doswell /// / \_/ /_ / \_/ \ / / / /___ /// \ __ \\ __ \\ \ _\ \\_/ ralf@dcs.warwick.ac.uk __ /// \ \ \ \\ \ \ \\ \__/ \\ \ \\\/// \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \______/ \_/ http://www.csv.warwick.ac.uk/~mauer/ \XX/ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Dec 4 10:35:03 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id KAA03194; Wed, 4 Dec 1996 10:34:57 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id KAA09855; Wed, 4 Dec 1996 10:28:51 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id KAA09849; Wed, 4 Dec 1996 10:28:41 GMT Received: from venus.le.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id KAA02139; Wed, 4 Dec 1996 10:28:38 GMT Received: from hawk.le.ac.uk by venus.le.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Wed, 4 Dec 1996 10:35:38 +0000 Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 10:26:15 +0000 (GMT) From: Scott X-Sender: iws1@hawk To: britdisc Subject: Red Co-ed 1/2 Feb Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO ++++++++++ Red Co-ed 1997 (1/2 Feb)++++++++++++ Following the success of last years Co-ed events Red have decided to continue the tradition and put on a MAJOR co-ed indoors in Leicester..... Here's some appetisers; Location: Granby Halls, Leicester - 3 courts Teams: Max 24 Coed + Max 12 Juniors Cost: 60GBP Coed; 00GBP Juniors (provided we get enough entries in the coed division) Playing time: Yonks. At least 20min games (probably 25min) Places will be allocated on a bid basis once the official invites have gone out and the official web page is up. Bids will be considered on the ability to field a full co-ed side and speed of response with dosh (NOTE: We need to fill the places to cover our costs so partial coed teams may be considered, but not over full coed's) Wait by your letter box - keep scanning those red web pages (http://www.webleicester.co.uk/customer/scott/) Scott /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ SCOTT: Ian Scotland Tel: 0116 2525824 Fax: 0116 2523154 E-mail: iws1@le.ac.uk http://wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk/buf/ /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Dec 5 15:06:58 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id PAA00288; Thu, 5 Dec 1996 15:06:51 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id OAA08263; Thu, 5 Dec 1996 14:58:29 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id OAA08256; Thu, 5 Dec 1996 14:58:16 GMT Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 14:57:56 GMT Received: from [137.205.222.1] by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id OAA28924; Thu, 5 Dec 1996 14:57:56 GMT X-Sender: serai@mail.csv.warwick.ac.uk Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: D.P.Neilson@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Dave Neilson) Subject: Sport Council recognition Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO The latest news from the newly re-structured Sport Council(s) is that they have had a second meeting of their Recognition Panel on 7 November 1996. The previous meeting in May 1996 resulted in NO FORMAL REPLY about the status of Disc Sports - they used the excuse of the re-structuring of the Sports Council(s) for their lack of response. The outcome from the second meeting has to be fed through TWO further boards before an OFFICIAL REPLY can be expected. These 'boards' are due to take place in December and January, so we MAY get a written response in February (incidentally, it would appear that these 'boards' did not sit to discuss the recommendations of the May 1996 Recognition Panel, which is their reason for not having replied to our original application). Our official application was submitted in January 1996, which means that a full 12 months will have elapsed without any formal response. We did send a letter to the November meeting of the Recognition Panel to further push our case. The Chair of that panel refuses to be drawn into a telephone discussion about our case, but frustratingly says (off the record, of course) that he was NOT optimistic. In summary - we have not given up hope, but it is important that all those with a vested interest are aware of the realistic chances of Sports Coucil recognition as they stand at present. The BFDF / BUF / BDGA 'thinktank' have convened a meeting for next week to discuss our next moves. The battle is not over ... Hell, it has hardly begun! In the meantime, there is still much we can do in preparation. Take care, Sam Neilson, National Director of the BFDF. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Dec 6 23:11:50 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id XAA00471; Fri, 6 Dec 1996 23:11:46 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id WAA13263; Fri, 6 Dec 1996 22:55:46 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id WAA13194; Fri, 6 Dec 1996 22:51:25 GMT From: dmurray@soton.ac.uk Received: from beech.soton.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id WAA29323; Fri, 6 Dec 1996 22:51:23 GMT Received: from ash.soton.ac.uk (ash.soton.ac.uk [152.78.128.88]) by beech.soton.ac.uk (8.6.12/hub-8.5a) with ESMTP id LAA05142 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 1996 11:14:08 GMT Received: (from dmurray@localhost) by ash.soton.ac.uk (8.6.10/client-8.8) id KAA00320 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Wed, 4 Dec 1996 10:49:12 GMT Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 10:49:12 GMT Message-Id: <199612041049.KAA00320@ash.soton.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: ultimatium X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO Just got ultimatum through the post very nice and colourful but where is the contact list I have been waiting for one as all the lists I have a re out of date From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Dec 9 08:37:59 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id IAA25149; Mon, 9 Dec 1996 08:37:55 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id IAA22644; Mon, 9 Dec 1996 08:31:49 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id IAA22639; Mon, 9 Dec 1996 08:31:32 GMT Received: from mail.rmplc.net by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id IAA24959; Mon, 9 Dec 1996 08:31:29 GMT Received: from acotgreave ([172.16.27.34]) by mail.rmplc.net (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA02079 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 1996 08:29:53 GMT Message-Id: <199612090829.IAA02079@mail.rmplc.net> From: "Andy Cotgreave" To: "Britdisc" Subject: Desparately seeking Dora Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 08:24:47 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO I'm trying to get in touch with Dora Kemp, of Strange Blue - anyone got her e-mail address? Cheers, Andy C From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Dec 9 10:35:14 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id KAA03744; Mon, 9 Dec 1996 10:35:09 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id KAA24271; Mon, 9 Dec 1996 10:24:21 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id KAA24266; Mon, 9 Dec 1996 10:24:08 GMT Received: from vulcan by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id KAA02587; Mon, 9 Dec 1996 10:24:06 GMT Received: from hawk.le.ac.uk by vulcan with SMTP (PP); Mon, 9 Dec 1996 10:20:28 +0000 Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 10:19:47 +0000 (GMT) From: Scott X-Sender: iws1@hawk To: dmurray@soton.ac.uk cc: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Re: ultimatium In-Reply-To: <199612041049.KAA00320@ash.soton.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO Dave wrote: > Just got ultimatum through the post > very nice and colourful > but where is the contact list > I have been waiting for one as all > the lists I have a re out of date Since Ultimatum is now being sold to the general public (in a very limited sort of way) it is no longer appropriate to print the personal details of club contacts in Ultimatum. The update (which is not sold to the public) will inlcude the address list. In the meantime I am about to stick an upto date address list in the post along with reminders to teams to pay their BUF subs (if they haven't already). Scott /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ SCOTT: Ian Scotland Tel: 0116 2525824 Fax: 0116 2523154 E-mail: iws1@le.ac.uk http://wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk/buf/ /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Dec 9 11:23:20 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA08723; Mon, 9 Dec 1996 11:23:16 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id LAA24949; Mon, 9 Dec 1996 11:04:06 GMT Received: from clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA24936; Mon, 9 Dec 1996 11:03:53 GMT Received: from lynx.europe.shiva.com by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA29701; Mon, 9 Dec 1996 11:03:27 GMT Received: from eurohub.europe.shiva.com (eurohub.europe.shiva.com [134.191.64.200]) by lynx.europe.shiva.com (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id KAA12872; Mon, 9 Dec 1996 10:52:46 GMT Received: from Lotus Notes (PU Serial #1281) by eurohub.europe.shiva.com (PostalUnion/SMTP(tm) v2.1.7 for Windows NT(tm)) id AA-1996Dec09.085043.1281.332728; Mon, 09 Dec 1996 10:51:14 GMT From: agw@europe.shiva.com (CN=Andrew Wilson/OU=Eng/OU=EDI/O=Shiva) To: iws1@leicester.ac.uk (Scott) Cc: Britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Britdisc) Message-ID: <1996Dec09.085043.1281.332728@eurohub.europe.shiva.com> X-Conversion-ID: X-Mailer: Lotus Notes via PostalUnion/SMTP for Windows NT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Date: Mon, 09 Dec 1996 10:51:14 GMT Subject: Re: ultimatium Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Status: RO Why is it not appropriate? Surely in order to allow disc sports to spread, we should let people know who to phone if they want to play. I'm sure the amount of extra communication would not be excessive, and if it turned out to be so, then that's the time to remove the contact details. Just my opinion Miggins (Sneeekys) Scott 09/12/96 10:46 To: dmurray @ EUROGATE cc: britdisc @ EUROGATE Subject: Re: ultimatium Dave wrote: > Just got ultimatum through the post > very nice and colourful > but where is the contact list > I have been waiting for one as all > the lists I have a re out of date Since Ultimatum is now being sold to the general public (in a very limited sort of way) it is no longer appropriate to print the personal details of club contacts in Ultimatum. The update (which is not sold to the public) will inlcude the address list. In the meantime I am about to stick an upto date address list in the post along with reminders to teams to pay their BUF subs (if they haven't already). Scott /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ SCOTT: Ian Scotland Tel: 0116 2525824 Fax: 0116 2523154 E-mail: iws1@le.ac.uk http://wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk/buf/ /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ ------ Message Header Follows ------ Received: from lynx.europe.shiva.com by eurohub.europe.shiva.com (PostalUnion/SMTP(tm) v2.1.7 for Windows NT(tm)) id AA-1996Dec09.104548.1281.196767; Mon, 09 Dec 1996 10:45:48 GMT Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk (thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk [137.205.128.4]) by lynx.europe.shiva.com (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id KAA12565 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 1996 10:47:20 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id KAA24271; Mon, 9 Dec 1996 10:24:21 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id KAA24266; Mon, 9 Dec 1996 10:24:08 GMT Received: from vulcan by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id KAA02587; Mon, 9 Dec 1996 10:24:06 GMT Received: from hawk.le.ac.uk by vulcan with SMTP (PP); Mon, 9 Dec 1996 10:20:28 +0000 Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 10:19:47 +0000 (GMT) From: Scott X-Sender: iws1@hawk To: dmurray@soton.ac.uk cc: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Re: ultimatium In-Reply-To: <199612041049.KAA00320@ash.soton.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Dec 9 12:00:57 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id MAA13145; Mon, 9 Dec 1996 12:00:53 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id LAA25971; Mon, 9 Dec 1996 11:51:19 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA25960; Mon, 9 Dec 1996 11:50:52 GMT Received: from dns0.curved-logic.com by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id LAA12129; Mon, 9 Dec 1996 11:50:46 GMT Received: from pc04.curved-logic.com by dns0.curved-logic.com id aa11665; 9 Dec 96 12:52 GMT Received: by pc04.curved-logic.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BBE5C6.9113CD60@pc04.curved-logic.com>; Mon, 9 Dec 1996 11:46:08 -0000 Message-ID: <01BBE5C6.9113CD60@pc04.curved-logic.com> From: Kevin Lowe To: "'britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk'" Subject: Re: Ultimatum Contact List Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 11:46:07 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi, I just thought I could answer this one, since I had a hand in persuading Scott and Paul that having the contact list on the back of Ultimatum was not appropiate. It was pointed out to me by a female coach of a junior team, that she didn't want her home details displayed on the back of a magazine available in shops (no matter how few). Since she lives alone, it's perfectly understandable that she doesn't want someone knowing her full name, address, and home / work phone numbers. Had she been a teacher, she could have supplied the school's address as a contact, but mail and phone calls get through much quicker to home addresses. This had never occurred to me before, and I think we will have similar problems in the future with regards to the web contact list. The solution for Ultimatum was to have a pull out contact list (similar to two years ago) that wouldn't be in the copies that go to shops. We know it's been way too long since a contact list has been sent out, and Scott is rectifying that now. Kevin. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Dec 9 12:29:53 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id MAA16471; Mon, 9 Dec 1996 12:29:48 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id MAA26659; Mon, 9 Dec 1996 12:22:22 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id MAA26581; Mon, 9 Dec 1996 12:17:57 GMT Received: from vulcan by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id MAA15148; Mon, 9 Dec 1996 12:17:54 GMT Received: from hawk.le.ac.uk by vulcan with SMTP (PP); Mon, 9 Dec 1996 12:11:00 +0000 Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 12:10:10 +0000 (GMT) From: Scott X-Sender: iws1@hawk To: CN=Andrew Wilson/OU=Eng/OU=EDI/O=Shiva cc: Britdisc Subject: Re: ultimatium In-Reply-To: <1996Dec09.085043.1281.332728@eurohub.europe.shiva.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Andrew wrote: (refering to the lack of address list in Ultimatum) > Why is it not appropriate? Surely in order to allow disc sports to spread, we > should let people know who to phone if they want to play. I'm sure the amount > of extra communication would not be excessive, and if it turned out to be so, > then that's the time to remove the contact details. The people who give their name as contact for the BUF address list do so for the Ultimate playing communities benefit. Concerns were raised about giving out personal details to anyone who chose to buy Ultimatum especially since most of the address name and individual and their contact details including telephone numbers. The editor of Ultimatum has to consider the wishes of those people who have their addresses listed and has a legal responsibility to protect them. Ultimatum gives the BUF official contact address which people may contact and get the latest info on contacts in their area. I think Paul had considered putting a map on the back of Ultimatum with the locations of British Ultimate Teams in order to give potential new players some idea of the extent to which Ultimate is played. I think any potential players are as likely to contact the official BUF number as they would a number in a long contact list (possilbly more likely, especially if they live in an area where the is clearly no Ultimate!). Scott /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ SCOTT: Ian Scotland Tel: 0116 2525824 Fax: 0116 2523154 E-mail: iws1@le.ac.uk http://wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk/buf/ /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Dec 9 15:30:22 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id PAA10136; Mon, 9 Dec 1996 15:30:18 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id PAA00696; Mon, 9 Dec 1996 15:18:11 GMT Received: from clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id PAA00683; Mon, 9 Dec 1996 15:17:37 GMT Received: from spuggie.cen.brad.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id PAA05335; Mon, 9 Dec 1996 15:17:21 GMT Received: from morph.acc.brad.ac.uk (root@morph.acc.brad.ac.uk [143.53.1.14]) by spuggie.cen.brad.ac.uk (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA06560 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 1996 15:17:19 GMT Received: from kite.cen.brad.ac.uk (kite.cen.brad.ac.uk [143.53.2.4]) by morph.acc.brad.ac.uk (8.7.2) with ESMTP id PAA09388 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 1996 15:20:53 GMT Received: (from ajbradfo@localhost) by kite.cen.brad.ac.uk (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA20828; Mon, 9 Dec 1996 15:17:13 GMT Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 15:17:11 +0000 (GMT) From: Andy B X-Sender: ajbradfo@kite.cen.brad.ac.uk To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: belfast pickup? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk is anyone interested in a pickup game in belfast (norn ireland) over christmas period. are theyre many players ot there? bananaskins ANDY B we couldn't all be cowboys so some of us are clowns 63 Grantham Rd (01274) 743778 Bradford BD7 1RN From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Dec 9 20:49:03 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id UAA08320; Mon, 9 Dec 1996 20:48:59 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id UAA08384; Mon, 9 Dec 1996 20:38:02 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id UAA08378; Mon, 9 Dec 1996 20:37:47 GMT Received: from arl-img-2.compuserve.com by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id UAA07677; Mon, 9 Dec 1996 20:37:35 GMT Received: by arl-img-2.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id PAA03399; Mon, 9 Dec 1996 15:36:57 -0500 Date: 09 Dec 96 15:29:54 EST From: Jim McDonnell <100422.1474@compuserve.com> To: Britdisc Subject: Charity Tournament results Message-ID: <961209202953_100422.1474_JHU86-2@CompuServe.COM> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Howdy BritDisc-ers herewith and henceforth the results of the first (Annual? Charlie doesn't seem keen) Charity 24-Hour Ultimate Marathon Firstly, and at the risk of repeating myself, *thankyou* to everyone who came along and raised almost L3000 for GOSH. We just might have helped a future Ultimate player! The results of the tourney - apologies for gross errors or inaccuracies, we were too shagged to remember to keep the bit of paper with the results on - Winners - Slow White and the Smelly Hordes 2nd - Druids 3rd - Mr. Men 4th - Monks 5th - Skunks 6th - Village People 7th - Some Mohawks 8th - Some more Mohawks (may have been the same ones, we're not sure) 9th - Chaos 10th - Mythago 11th - Uriel The prizes were presented by Martin Barnes from GOSH, and included two others - Most Sponsorship Raised (team) - Druids (approx. L800) Most Sponsorship Raised (Individual) - Karl from Druids (L360) Uriel won the Spirit prize - boy, were we ever glad to see the back of those Lo-Cal Lo-Taste 'chocolate' bars Can I just remind everyone about the sponsor monies - we need them by Friday 20th December at the latest. Cheques should be made out to me Jim McDonnell, (but address them to Charlie Ben-Nathan if it makes you feel more secure about handing cash over to a disreputable Arfur Daley such as myself!) Our address is - 230B Colney Hatch Lane Muswell Hill London N10 1EU Please send your sponsor forms back with the money - DON'T SEND CASH! Any questions etc., then call us on 0181 444 8695 If anyone wants to write a report on how the actual games went then please feel free to do so - it's all a blur to me. Cheers All - Jim and Charlie xx From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Dec 10 13:04:07 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id NAA03855; Tue, 10 Dec 1996 13:04:03 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id MAA20884; Tue, 10 Dec 1996 12:52:44 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id MAA20877; Tue, 10 Dec 1996 12:52:36 GMT Received: from mx2.rmplc.co.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id MAA02866; Tue, 10 Dec 1996 12:52:33 GMT Received: from hawk.rmplc.co.uk (hawk.rmplc.co.uk [194.238.48.14]) by mx2.rmplc.co.uk (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id MAA10137 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 1996 12:52:40 GMT Received: from rm-dynf1-160.rmplc.co.uk (rm-dynf1-160.rmplc.co.uk [194.238.52.160]) by hawk.rmplc.co.uk (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA27557 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 1996 12:51:45 GMT Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 12:51:45 GMT Message-Id: <199612101251.MAA27557@hawk.rmplc.co.uk> X-Sender: ahicks@mail.rmplc.co.uk 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AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAJeIpIiwiLyIAADQiNSl6ByghtSlAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAEA1AMAANQDAAAJAH0BfQHUAwAAAAAAANQDAAAxABUWkAEAAFRpbWVzIE5l dyBSb21hbgAMFpABAgBTeW1ib2wACyaQAQAAQXJpYWwAIgAEAAEIiBgAANACAABoAQAAAAAvUwxG L1MMRgAAAAACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAQAgxAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA ACEDaAAAADxPWEZPUkQgSU5ET09SIFdPTUVOU5IgVE9VUk5BTUVOVCwgREVDIDd0aC84dGgsIFRE IFRhcmEgSmV3ZWwAAAAMQW1hbmRhIEhpY2tzDEFtYW5kYSBIaWNrcwAAAAAAAAAAAADQzxHgobEa 4QAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA7AAMA/v8JAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAEAAAABAAAAAAAAAAAQAAACAAAA AQAAAP7///8AAAAAAAAAAP///////////////////w== --=====================_850247690==_-- From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Dec 10 18:16:46 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id SAA05778; Tue, 10 Dec 1996 18:16:42 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id SAA26619; Tue, 10 Dec 1996 18:11:51 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id SAA26613; Tue, 10 Dec 1996 18:11:38 GMT Received: from Norway.EU.net by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id SAA05185; Tue, 10 Dec 1996 18:11:14 GMT Received: from betsy.texcel.no by Norway.EU.net with SMTP id AA27039 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4/EUnet/NO for ); Tue, 10 Dec 1996 19:11:00 +0100 Received: from texcel.no by betsy.texcel.no (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA00286; Tue, 10 Dec 96 18:11:09 +0100 Received: from larry.co.uk by texcel.no.texcel.no (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA08744; Tue, 10 Dec 96 14:22:20 GMT Received: from konishi.co.uk by larry.co.uk (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id OAA08678; Tue, 10 Dec 1996 14:28:42 GMT Received: by konishi.co.uk (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id OAA02381; Tue, 10 Dec 1996 14:25:33 GMT Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 14:25:33 GMT Message-Id: <199612101425.OAA02381@konishi.co.uk> From: Neil Travers To: Britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Re: Women's Tournament Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk For those not cursed with having Microsoft Word, here is the text of the report. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ OXFORD INDOOR WOMEN'S TOURNAMENT, DEC 7th/8th, TD Tara Jewel RESULTS: 1 Minx, 2 eLle, 3 Flowering Garden, 4 Funky Nuns, 5 WOW!, 6 Hint of Lime, 7 Strange Mixtures, 8 Red , 9 Horrors, SOTG Horrors. The Headington School Horrors made their tournament debut in the home comforts of their school gym, a quality sports hall opened earlier this year, and encountered what pundits call a learning curve. On that round robin curve waited Red (Leic), the combined talents of the Dolly Mixtures (Leeds) and Strange Blue (Camb), The Wild Oxford Women!, Hint of Lime (Gosport) , Flowering Garden, this years class from the St Philo's 'ultimate academy'(Carshalton), Minx, Elle, and the Funky Nuns(NFA). After Saturdays play Minx and Elle emerged, as expected, as front runners. Minx's O' was particularly scary, ruthlessly converting possession into goals. Having defeated Elle in the R/R, Minx were virtually assured of their place in the Final ,Elle, who had lost their sub to injury, still needed to avoid upsets against the Nuns and Flowering Garden before they secured qualification. This made the Nuns/Flowering game effectively the 3/4 playoff, and as such it produced a cracking match. The Nuns struggled to stay with fast running interplay of the St Philo's, but stayed close through adventurous cutting and a superior long game. Then as it seemed the Nuns were about to turn the game St Philo's Rebecca Stokes took to the air to make a big defensive play, which put the game and third place firmly back on the Garden path. In the final Elle determined to put Saturday's defeat behind them and went out looking confident. The Minx O' was as sharp as ever, and after initial trading began to take control. Elle stepped up a gear on D' but the zipped accurate passing of Tara Jewel, Clare O'Sullivan ,and EJ Slater, often left the tiring iron Elle defenders over committed, giving Minx the space to make throws to their creative up-pitch cutters. Some excellent combinations between Sue Underwood and Helen Myers kept Elle's heads up and their O' moving but excellent finishing by Minx pulled them clear to their eventual 14-9 victory. And what of the Headington Horrors. Their 0 and 8 record had not disheartened them, they learnt, and enjoyed the opportunity to play against, and with ,some of the top women players in Britain. They returned to their rooms with the "diet busting" spirit prize, well deserved for their energetic enthusiasm, and entertaining moments of matchplay, as well as for their efforts to keep competing, their respect for the other women, and their indubitable joy of play. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Dec 13 12:08:46 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id MAA04319; Fri, 13 Dec 1996 12:08:41 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id LAA17845; Fri, 13 Dec 1996 11:59:42 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA17837; Fri, 13 Dec 1996 11:59:27 GMT Received: from pp3.shef.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id LAA03310; Fri, 13 Dec 1996 11:59:23 GMT Received: from winscar.shef.ac.uk by pp3.shef.ac.uk with local SMTP (MMTA) with ESMTP; Fri, 13 Dec 1996 11:58:54 +0000 Received: from WINSCAR/SpoolDir by winscar.shef.ac.uk (Mercury 1.21); 13 Dec 96 11:58:54 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by WINSCAR (Mercury 1.30); 13 Dec 96 11:58:41 +0000 From: "A.R.Punt" To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 11:58:38 +0000 Subject: Phat mistake X-Confirm-Reading-To: "A.R.Punt" X-pmrqc: 1 Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <64840CD11DC@winscar.shef.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk To everyone and anyone, For those who it may concern, the contact address given for the Phat 'eds is wrong(my fault completely). The address given is for Simon our tourny director and the phone number is for my home, not uni. So unless you want to write to Simon or have a chat with my parents, please use the contact info below: Address- Adam Punt, 323A Ecclesall Rd, Sheffield, S11 8NX Phone- (0114) 2679098 e-mail- A.R.Punt@Sheffeld.ac.uk Cheers, and a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year. From Adam From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Dec 16 07:52:50 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id HAA08439; Mon, 16 Dec 1996 07:52:47 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id HAA28411; Mon, 16 Dec 1996 07:48:17 GMT Received: from crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id HAA28406; Mon, 16 Dec 1996 07:48:07 GMT Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 07:48:04 GMT From: Mr R C Doswell Message-Id: <337.199612160748@crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Received: by crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk id HAA00337; Mon, 16 Dec 1996 07:48:04 GMT To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: BUF Events Reminder Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk British Ultimate Federation Disc Events Diary --------------------------------------------- January 1997 ------------ Saturday 18 January 1997 Student Indoor Regionals (SOUTH EAST) (2 days) TBC @ Oxford Saturday 25 January 1997 BUF Womens Indoor Nationals (2 days) @ Birmingham February 1997 ------------- Saturday 1 February 1997 Red Co-ed Indoors (2 days) @ Leicester Saturday 8 February 1997 Furious Five II (2 days) (Non-UK event) @ Odense, DK Newport Indoors (2 days) @ Newport Saturday 22 February 1997 BUF Student Indoor Finals (2 days) @ Leeds (TBC) March 1997 ---------- Saturday 1 March 1997 National Indoor Regionals (2 days) Saturday 8 March 1997 Warwick Indoors (2 days) @ Coventry Saturday 15 March 1997 Wolves Indoors (2 days) @ Wolverhampton (???) Saturday 22 March 1997 National Indoor Finals (2 days) April 1997 ---------- Saturday 5 April 1997 BUF Tour I (2 days) TBC @ Leeds Saturday 19 April 1997 BUF Tour II : Leicester Outdoors (2 days) @ Victoria Park, Leicester Saturday 26 April 1997 Student Outdoors (2 days) TBC @ TBA : Bids to Barry O'Kane May 1997 -------- Saturday 3 May 1997 BUF National Junior Outdoors (2 days) @ TBC Saturday 24 May 1997 BUF Tour III (2 days) TBC @ TBA : Bids to Simon Hill June 1997 --------- Saturday 7 June 1997 Red Co-ed Outdoors (2 days) @ Countesthorpe, Leicester Saturday 21 June 1997 BUF Tour IV : Southampton Outdoors (2 days) @ Southampton July 1997 --------- Sunday 27 July 1997 World Ultimate Club Championships (WUCC'97) (7 days) (Non-UK event) @ Vancouver, CA August 1997 ----------- Saturday 16 August 1997 Ross-on-Wye (2 days) TBC @ Ross-On-Wye! Saturday 23 August 1997 1997 BDGA Championships (2 days) (Non-Ultimate) TBC Sunday 24 August 1997 EFDF European Ultimate Championships (7 days) @ Millfield School, Street, Somerset, UK September 1997 -------------- Thursday 11 September 1997 British Open (4 days) --------------------------------------------------------------- British Ultimate Federation Disc Events Diary http://www.csv.warwick.ac.uk:5201/cgi-bin/diary Ranulf Doswell, ralf@dcs.warwick.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Dec 16 13:36:46 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id NAA02479; Mon, 16 Dec 1996 13:36:37 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id NAA02911; Mon, 16 Dec 1996 13:22:25 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id NAA02906; Mon, 16 Dec 1996 13:22:18 GMT Received: from mail.rmplc.net by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id NAA01372; Mon, 16 Dec 1996 13:22:16 GMT Received: from acotgreave ([172.16.27.34]) by mail.rmplc.net (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA24950 for ; Mon, 16 Dec 1996 13:21:45 GMT Message-Id: <199612161321.NAA24950@mail.rmplc.net> From: "Andy Cotgreave" To: "Britdisc" Subject: Southampton - brief results/report Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 13:10:24 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi all, Well, Southampton was great this year. Here are some results (the only ones I remember, I'm afraid): 1. UTI 2. Druids 3. Some Maroon 4. Mr Men .... 9. Chevron Action Flash (Plate winners) 10. Harlem Spirit - Bears The Plate final was by far the most exciting game of the weekend. Harlem had had a diasppointing weekend, and had already been beaten by Chevron earlier in the day. Here was a chance for their revenge. The game was close throughout, and Chevron made some great bids to keep the upper hand. It came down to sudden death when Chevron had the disc, and showing great patience they worked it into the zone for a deserved win. The final didn't provide as great a spectacle as the plate final, mainly because the Druids did not get themselves together at the game's outset. Although they rallied back after being 9-2 (or was it 9-3) down, to 9-6, they had unfortuantely left it too late, and UTI emerged the deserved winners of the tournament. A great tourny, and I think everyone had a great time. Except maybe Morning Wood, who had more injuries than the rest of the teams put together - I hope you're all feeling okay! Thanks to the Skunks and all involved in organising the tourny, Andy C Chevron Action Flash (playing with Some Maroon for the weekend, though) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Dec 16 15:53:49 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id PAA15365; Mon, 16 Dec 1996 15:53:43 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id PAA05374; Mon, 16 Dec 1996 15:38:21 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id PAA05363; Mon, 16 Dec 1996 15:38:08 GMT Received: from dub-img-4.compuserve.com by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id PAA12925; Mon, 16 Dec 1996 15:33:54 GMT Received: by dub-img-4.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id KAA16849; Mon, 16 Dec 1996 10:24:36 -0500 Date: 16 Dec 96 10:20:59 EST From: Stuart Clark <101336.3664@compuserve.com> To: Britdisc Subject: Southampton Indoors - more results. Message-ID: <961216152059_101336.3664_GHW80-1@CompuServe.COM> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk As Andy C has already said, Southampton Indoors proved to be a great tournament with the skunks being excellent hosts once again. This year the skunks had hired a second hall which gave everybody the luxury (?) of more and longer games. Format for Saturday was two pools of eight with everybody playing everybody else in their pool once (7 games - just on Saturday). Top four from each pool went through to the top 8, bottom four played off for the bottom eight. Surprises on the Saturday came from both pools with Chevvy failing to clinch a top 8 spot from the pool A and Harlem (Monks indoors) meeting the same fate in pool B. Unsurprisingly, these two teams would meet in the plate final. Top 2 in pool A was Druids and UTI respectively, the Druids managing to beat UTI, their closest rivals on the Saturday by a point. Morning Wood, already less 2 due to injuries to Kean Marden and Tef (dislocating his shoulder for the third (?) time this season) took the third spot and Blue Arse Flies were the team who squeezed out Chevvy for fourth. In pool B, Catch 22 masquerading as "Some Maroon" looked useful and took the top spot, closely followed by the Mr. Men. After that it all got messy in pool B but a win for the Village People against the Strollers in the dieing seconds of the game straightened things out and it emerged that the skunks (Mmmmm? ;-)) and Village People made up the complement of four and Harlem had lucked out. Sunday would see us all playing six more games, four against the competition from the other pool who had come to join us and then two playoff games. (I can't comment on the bottom eight 'cos they were in the second hall). The skunks were obviously still "buzzin'" after the obligatory party at Jesters nightclub (Excellent also) and beat the Blue Arse Flies, claimed a draw against Morning Wood and pushed UTI to within two points (9-7 I think). Druids, it appeared, seemed to cruise to the final relatively easily whilst UTI made hard work of it, having a second close call against Some Maroon. Morning Wood's injury curse had not lifted and Katey Forth found herself having a closer relationship with a wall than she would have liked - a knock that put her out for the rest of the tournament. Hence, come the playoffs, half of skunks one traded red tops for blue and played alongside their opposition. At one point it was Skunks 1 vs Skunks 1 with Nick Haslam being the only Morning Wood player on the pitch. Funnily enough, the Skunks won. Paul Holden of the Lurkers who had picked up with the Blue Arse Flies inflicted the curse of his former team on his new found team mates. They had to meet Village People twice, once in the crossover games and also in the first round of playoffs. The first game resulted in a hard fought draw. The second saw the scores tied at 7's at time, BAF in possession. The disc was checked and Village managed to turn it over and score for the win. Both were excellent games played with great spirit. Morning Wood's troubles were not over yet though and in the 7th/8th playoff against the Blue Arse Flies, E-J Slater lost her balance going for a disc and back pedalled into a wall, an injury that looked particularly nasty but thankfully one that she managed to get up and walk away from. Minutes later Nick Haslam discovered that running into a door really wasn't the way to get it open and, yes, he really should have pushed that bar. He was carried off the pitch and did not play again. Claire O'Sullivan and Andy Challis, the only surviving members of the team must have been having kittens about the journey home!! Of the two finals, the plate was the more entertaining - a very close fight between Chevron Action Flash and Harlem. But as they had done earlier in the day, CAF clinched it with a score in the dying seconds, pipping Harlem by just the one point. UTI tore away with the final, going from 2's (I think) to take seven points straight, before going into their customary fade. This time, the fade came late though and there was not enough time on the clock for the Druids to pull it back although, to their credit, they took four in a row to make the score a respectable 9-6 at time. Steve Shipley won the MVP award, made a cheesy acceptance speech and got a crate of beer for his efforts. Bears won spirit. The standard of play was high and there was great spirit shown by all teams present, both ingredients making this a thoroughly enjoyable yet highly competitive tournament. Thanks must go to all the Skunks for putting on yet another excellent tourney. Thanks especially to Jo Dunckley and Fat Phil for all their hard work. I don't know if there were any hiccups but it sure didn't look like it. A very smooth and professionally run tournament, I think the longest wait we had between games was an hour and twenty minutes which was great. Condolences and best wishes to all of Morning Wood, especially Katey, I wish you all a speedy recovery so that you may be back and playing again soon. Results: Final: UTI 9 - 6 Druids 1. UTI 2. Druids 3. Some Maroon 4. Mr. Men 5. Village People 6. Skunks 1 7. Morning Wood 8. Blue Arse Flies 9. Chevron Action Flash (Plate) 10. Harlem 11. Mohawks (?) > (Or Strollers) 12. Strollers (?) > (Or Mohawks) 13. Mythago 14. Bears (Spirit) 15. Skunks 2 16. Funky Nuns Guru Stu VILLAGE PEOPLE P.S. Another great thing about the Southampton Indoors is the Koh-i-noor Indian Restaurant in Portswood. Just as good as when we went there last year!!! From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Dec 16 18:53:53 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id SAA00582; Mon, 16 Dec 1996 18:53:48 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id SAA09315; Mon, 16 Dec 1996 18:49:15 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id SAA09309; Mon, 16 Dec 1996 18:48:42 GMT From: Wayne_Retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk Received: from sys4.cambridge.uk.psi.net by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id SAA00342; Mon, 16 Dec 1996 18:48:34 GMT Received: from rwatson.UUCP by sys4.cambridge.uk.psi.net (8.7.5/SMI-5.5-UKPSINet) id RAA15098; Mon, 16 Dec 1996 17:40:08 GMT Received: from cc:Mail by rwatson.watsonwyatt.co.uk id AA850781033 Mon, 16 Dec 96 16:03:53 Date: Mon, 16 Dec 96 16:03:53 Encoding: 1176 Text Message-Id: <9611168507.AA850781033@rwatson.watsonwyatt.co.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk CC: chughes1@livjm.ac.uk Subject: Re: BUF Events Reminder/Newport Indoors Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Dear all, Please note that Newport and the Leicester Co-ed are NOT on the same weekends. Newport invitations should be in the post this week (Chris!) to all teams who didn't get one at Southampton. Replies including cheques will need to be prompt, interest was extremely high from the teams at Southampton, many promising to pay this week. Looks like the "game to watch" will be 'Slow White and the Smelly Hordes' vs 'UTI' dependent on both teams attending and whether the 'Druids' (to be seeded 3?) can rediscover their form, survive the onslaughts of determined 'Some Maroon' and 'Mr Men' and defend their title! Wayne Retter Fluid Druids Newport Indoors TD ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: BUF Events Reminder Author: Mr R C Doswell at ~Internet Date: 16/12/96 08:16 British Ultimate Federation Disc Events Diary --------------------------------------------- February 1997 ------------- Saturday 1 February 1997 Red Co-ed Indoors (2 days) @ Leicester Saturday 8 February 1997 Newport Indoors (2 days) @ Newport From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Dec 19 09:37:20 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id JAA21561; Thu, 19 Dec 1996 09:37:16 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id JAA29732; Thu, 19 Dec 1996 09:29:14 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id JAA29727; Thu, 19 Dec 1996 09:28:44 GMT Received: from utrecht.knoware.nl by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id JAA20744; Thu, 19 Dec 1996 09:28:31 GMT Received: from [193.78.121.4] (mac-4.knoware.nl [193.78.121.4]) by utrecht.knoware.nl (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA07065; Thu, 19 Dec 1996 10:20:30 +0100 X-Sender: mikeocon@pop.knoware.nl Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 10:25:44 +0100 To: frisbee@win.tue.nl From: mikeocon@knoware.nl (Dulcimer Disc Sport / Baseball School) Subject: WDG {WDS} Statuten concept Cc: WileyField@aol.com, coolstuff@shell.liberty.com, disctivity@aol.com, web415@charweb.org, lynch@efn.org, ddsschool@aol.com, Roger.ter.Heide@nlutrfsc.origin.nl, Sscrappy@aol.com, a.tepper@mhg.nl, afn12826@freenet.ufl.edu Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Disctivity 19 December 1996 issue pre-#1 I'd like to share with you the a concept for the Werkgroep DiscGolf (WDG) statuten {and perhaps a model for the WDS ( werkgroep DiscSports-broadening the werkgroep as DiscGolf is usually a part of most Overall championships). 1996 (220) 1st Draft of WDG Statuten { The names mentioned are those asked by the Dulcimer Disc Sport / Baseball School to translate that section to Nederlands. Such an assignment, should they choose to accept it, will demonstrte to school-children the concept of 'veel handen makt lichte werk' of in American English, ' many hands make light work'} {{Leaving it in English and working with it as such would be helpful in showing to schools that playing the discsports can also be useful in 'engels (spreek)vaardigheid'!!}}[and perhaps their willingness to perform in that role.] Title Page P.1 Article 1 Name and Definition P.2 Article 2 Purposes P.3 Article 3 Association P.4 Article 4 Board of Discrectors P. 5 Article 5 Duties of Discrectors P. 6 Article 6 CLG's P. 7 Article 7 Elected Positions P. 8 Article 8 Financial P. 9 Article 9 Changes P. 10 Article 10 "Compelling WDG Interests" P. 11 Article 11 Meetings P. 12 1996 (220)1st Draft of WDG.'s Werkgroep DiscGolf Statuten (concept) {I like WDS where all the WDG's are} ARTICLE 1 NAME AND DEFINITION Section 1 The name of this organization is the WDG. {Werkgroep DiscGolf}.The official address shall be maintained by the facilitator. [Hans Bos] Section 2 I.D.C. is a discsports/learning organization. It is non-profit and open to all who pay an appropriate initial fee. (twee (2) gulden) ARTICLE 2 PURPOSES Section 1 To promote learning in ways that will enhance the enjoyment of disc golf & learning. To encourage goodwill among all who play discgolf & learn. Section 2 Maintain an organized framework for representation by and for associates of the WDG. Section 3 To establish discgolf events, learning projects and annual discgolf events. Section 4 To publish a newsletter: DISCTIVITY Section 5 To cooperate with other organizations having common or related goals. ARTICLE 3 Association Section 1 All applications for Association shall be accompanied by remittance of an initial fee (2 gulden). Association shall become effective upon receipt of a WDG flying disc or an I.O.U. for one. Section 2 Three types of association will be recognized: Dynamic, Static and Honorary Section 3 A Static associate shall be an individual who is interested in learning, agrees to uphold the WDG Statuten and who has met the requirements for association as established by the WDG Statuten. Static associates do not receive the complete services provided to Dynamic associates among which are : voting priveleges, receiving the newsletter, association flying disc(s), DISCounts, etc.. Section 4 Dynamic associates must meet all requirements of Static associates plus the additional requirements as established by the WDG Statuten among which are quarterly dues (5 Gulden), attendance at a yearly discgolf/learning event, participation in discgolf/learning project(s!), etc... Section 5 Honorary associates are those selected to receive an association certificate as a gesture of goodwill. The facilitator and/or the Board of Discrectors may issue honorary association certificates. These associations shall be for a period of two years and may be renewed. These association certificates will be given at no extra charge and the persons will receive all benefits of Dynamic association with the exception of voting priveleges. Dynamic associates may submit names for consideration of Honorary association certificates Section 6 A Dynamic associate whose association has reverted to Static association for failure to meet their obligations may be restored to dynamic status by fulfilling the obligation Section 7 A Static associate who wishes to apply for Dynamic association must fulfill the obligations of Dynamic association for the period they request Dynamic association status. Section 8 Priveleges of Dynamic associates: receive an association disc, vote and hold office, receive newsletters, earn discs in annual discsport/learning events, have comments be duly considered upon, become a discrector, establish a "home" link on the WDG Home Page, and all other priveleges as may be established by the Facilitator and/or Board of Discrectors. Article 4 Section 1 The WDG Board of Discrectors will consist of : the WDG Facilitator [Hans Bos], the Ocean's Discrector [ Arthur Haverkamp], the Financial Discrector [ Rene Westenberg], the Statuten Discrector [ Joop vd Rooij], the Tables Discrector [Paul Bezooiyen], the Communication Discrector [ Andre Witkam], the University Discrector [Tom v d Heuvel] and two other Discrectors; Discrector #1 [Rob Merton] and Discrector #2 [Nico Dijkshoorn]. The WDG Facilitator shall act as the Chairperson of the Board of Discrectors. The Board of Discrectors shall be the governing body of WDG, hereinafter called The Board, in which the management of the WDG is vested, except as otherwise stated in the WDG Statuten. Section 2 A quorum of The Board shall consist of the majority of The Board. All board decision must be by open ballot and will require consensus of the Board for approval. All meetings must be open to all Dynamic associates and announced in the newsletter, DISCTIVITY, whenever practical. TheWDG Facilitator or their designee shall attempt to have all meetings at which all associates of the board are physically present. Failing that, teleconferencing or computer mail can be used. Board associates are instructed to assure that all sides of an issue have been heard before The Board decides on a particular issue. Section 3 The Board shall be empowered to employ a L.K. (Learning Kaddy) [ Mike Ocon] to manage a WDG Office. The L.K. will perform such duties as The Board may direct within powers vested in The Board. Section 4 The terms of office shall be four years with half of the Discrectors elected every two years. Section 5 All Discrectors shall take office immediately following their selection. The outgoing Discrectors shall promptly turn over all documents, funds, and otherWDG property entrusted to them bythe WDG. for the conduct of their office. Section 6 Vacancies in the office of a Discrector other than the WDG. Facilitator shall be filled by vote of The Board for the unexpired portion of the term. Section 7 Selections shall be made by the WDG facilitator and a CLG (cooperative learning group). Nominations may also be made by Dynamic associates as prescribed in the WDG Consitution. anyone with me so far? if so, please send a reply with 'WDG Statuten' or 'WDS Statuten' in the subject (limit to discgolf or include field events?) If there are more than 10 responses, I'll use the initial ten repsonses to choose WDG or WDS for the next draft ( and include all tranlsations submitted and/or change suggestions or additions) ' next send' will be the night before Christmas, when all through the house, not a creature will be stirring (well maybe me typing away on this old Mac) and the computer's mouse... hoping to hear from static, dynamic and honarary discsporters soon (I'll be meeting with school officials monday morning so any kind of repsonse will be helpful to show support} with regards, Mike p.s. I'd particularly like the organization to raise funds for UNICEF from time to time (mentioned later in statuten=statutes=constitution) Next DiscGolf WinterTour stop: 11 January, Elsenburgerbos ( near Rijswijk) The Hague [Den Haag] {s'Schravenhage} Interesting development: DiscSports in the World Games in August 1997- Finland ! http://utopia.knoware.nl/users/mikeocon From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Dec 23 07:52:34 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id HAA04707; Mon, 23 Dec 1996 07:52:30 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id HAA03406; Mon, 23 Dec 1996 07:48:13 GMT Received: from crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id HAA03401; Mon, 23 Dec 1996 07:48:06 GMT Date: Mon, 23 Dec 1996 07:48:04 GMT From: Mr R C Doswell Message-Id: <3079.199612230748@crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Received: by crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk id HAA03079; Mon, 23 Dec 1996 07:48:04 GMT To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: BUF Events Reminder Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk British Ultimate Federation Disc Events Diary --------------------------------------------- January 1997 ------------ Saturday 18 January 1997 Student Indoor Regionals (SOUTH EAST) (2 days) TBC @ Oxford Saturday 25 January 1997 BUF Womens Indoor Nationals (2 days) @ Birmingham February 1997 ------------- Saturday 1 February 1997 Red Co-ed Indoors (2 days) @ Leicester Saturday 8 February 1997 Furious Five II (2 days) (Non-UK event) @ Odense, DK Newport Indoors (2 days) @ Newport Saturday 22 February 1997 BUF Student Indoor Finals (2 days) @ Leeds (TBC) March 1997 ---------- Saturday 1 March 1997 National Indoor Regionals (2 days) Saturday 8 March 1997 Warwick Indoors (2 days) @ Coventry Saturday 15 March 1997 Wolves Indoors (2 days) @ Wolverhampton (???) Saturday 22 March 1997 National Indoor Finals (2 days) April 1997 ---------- Saturday 5 April 1997 BUF Tour I (2 days) TBC @ Leeds Saturday 19 April 1997 BUF Tour II : Leicester Outdoors (2 days) @ Victoria Park, Leicester Saturday 26 April 1997 Student Outdoors (2 days) TBC @ TBA : Bids to Barry O'Kane May 1997 -------- Saturday 3 May 1997 BUF National Junior Outdoors (2 days) @ TBC Saturday 24 May 1997 BUF Tour III (2 days) TBC @ TBA : Bids to Simon Hill June 1997 --------- Saturday 7 June 1997 Red Co-ed Outdoors (2 days) @ Countesthorpe, Leicester Saturday 21 June 1997 BUF Tour IV : Southampton Outdoors (2 days) @ Southampton July 1997 --------- Sunday 27 July 1997 World Ultimate Club Championships (WUCC'97) (7 days) (Non-UK event) @ Vancouver, CA August 1997 ----------- Saturday 16 August 1997 Ross-on-Wye (2 days) TBC @ Ross-On-Wye! Saturday 23 August 1997 1997 BDGA Championships (2 days) (Non-Ultimate) TBC Sunday 24 August 1997 EFDF European Ultimate Championships (7 days) @ Millfield School, Street, Somerset, UK September 1997 -------------- Thursday 11 September 1997 British Open (4 days) --------------------------------------------------------------- British Ultimate Federation Disc Events Diary http://www.csv.warwick.ac.uk:5201/cgi-bin/diary Ranulf Doswell, ralf@dcs.warwick.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Dec 30 07:53:25 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id HAA17337; Mon, 30 Dec 1996 07:53:22 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id HAA06276; Mon, 30 Dec 1996 07:48:15 GMT Received: from crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id HAA06271; Mon, 30 Dec 1996 07:48:07 GMT Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 07:48:04 GMT From: Mr R C Doswell Message-Id: <27695.199612300748@crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Received: by crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk id HAA27695; Mon, 30 Dec 1996 07:48:04 GMT To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: BUF Events Reminder Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk British Ultimate Federation Disc Events Diary --------------------------------------------- January 1997 ------------ Saturday 18 January 1997 Student Indoor Regionals (SOUTH EAST) (2 days) TBC @ Oxford Saturday 25 January 1997 BUF Womens Indoor Nationals (2 days) @ Birmingham February 1997 ------------- Saturday 1 February 1997 Red Co-ed Indoors (2 days) @ Leicester Saturday 8 February 1997 Furious Five II (2 days) (Non-UK event) @ Odense, DK Newport Indoors (2 days) @ Newport Saturday 22 February 1997 BUF Student Indoor Finals (2 days) @ Leeds (TBC) March 1997 ---------- Saturday 1 March 1997 National Indoor Regionals (2 days) Saturday 8 March 1997 Warwick Indoors (2 days) @ Coventry Saturday 15 March 1997 Wolves Indoors (2 days) @ Wolverhampton (???) Saturday 22 March 1997 National Indoor Finals (2 days) April 1997 ---------- Saturday 5 April 1997 BUF Tour I (2 days) TBC @ Leeds Saturday 19 April 1997 BUF Tour II : Leicester Outdoors (2 days) @ Victoria Park, Leicester Saturday 26 April 1997 Student Outdoors (2 days) TBC @ TBA : Bids to Barry O'Kane May 1997 -------- Saturday 3 May 1997 BUF National Junior Outdoors (2 days) @ TBC Saturday 24 May 1997 BUF Tour III (2 days) TBC @ TBA : Bids to Simon Hill June 1997 --------- Saturday 7 June 1997 Red Co-ed Outdoors (2 days) @ Countesthorpe, Leicester Saturday 21 June 1997 BUF Tour IV : Southampton Outdoors (2 days) @ Southampton July 1997 --------- Sunday 27 July 1997 World Ultimate Club Championships (WUCC'97) (7 days) (Non-UK event) @ Vancouver, CA August 1997 ----------- Saturday 16 August 1997 Ross-on-Wye (2 days) TBC @ Ross-On-Wye! Saturday 23 August 1997 1997 BDGA Championships (2 days) (Non-Ultimate) TBC Sunday 24 August 1997 EFDF European Ultimate Championships (7 days) @ Millfield School, Street, Somerset, UK September 1997 -------------- Thursday 11 September 1997 British Open (4 days) --------------------------------------------------------------- British Ultimate Federation Disc Events Diary http://www.csv.warwick.ac.uk:5201/cgi-bin/diary Ranulf Doswell, ralf@dcs.warwick.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Dec 31 14:20:26 1996 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id OAA07529; Tue, 31 Dec 1996 14:20:22 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id OAA18323; Tue, 31 Dec 1996 14:15:28 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id OAA18318; Tue, 31 Dec 1996 14:15:20 GMT Received: from relay-7.mail.demon.net by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id OAA07357; Tue, 31 Dec 1996 14:15:18 GMT Received: from rfeltham.demon.co.uk ([194.222.105.80]) by relay-6.mail.demon.net id aa609045; 31 Dec 96 13:37 GMT Message-ID: <0jjbcFAobRyyEwVA@rfeltham.demon.co.uk> Date: Tue, 31 Dec 1996 13:36:40 +0000 To: Britdisc From: Andrew Feltham Subject: Does this work? MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Version 3.01 Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk My name is Andrew Feltham, I play Ultimate for the junior team, HURRICANES. If someone is reading this please tell me. Thanks -- Andrew Feltham From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Jan 1 12:06:47 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id MAA11508; Wed, 1 Jan 1997 12:06:43 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id MAA28444; Wed, 1 Jan 1997 12:03:53 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id MAA28439; Wed, 1 Jan 1997 12:03:46 GMT Received: from relay-11.mail.demon.net by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id MAA11438; Wed, 1 Jan 1997 12:03:44 GMT Received: from rfeltham.demon.co.uk ([194.222.105.80]) by relay-9.mail.demon.net id aa921132; 1 Jan 97 11:55 GMT Message-ID: Date: Wed, 1 Jan 1997 11:54:10 +0000 To: Britdisc From: Andrew Feltham Subject: Happy New Year MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Version 3.01 Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk JUst tto say Happy New Year to all of you out there and i hope you had a good party last night! -- Andrew Feltham From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Jan 1 12:40:48 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id MAA12231; Wed, 1 Jan 1997 12:40:45 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id MAA28814; Wed, 1 Jan 1997 12:38:06 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id MAA28806; Wed, 1 Jan 1997 12:37:56 GMT Received: from relay-11.mail.demon.net by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id MAA12134; Wed, 1 Jan 1997 12:37:54 GMT Received: from rfeltham.demon.co.uk ([194.222.105.80]) by relay-9.mail.demon.net id aa922481; 1 Jan 97 12:00 GMT Message-ID: Date: Wed, 1 Jan 1997 11:59:24 +0000 To: Britdisc From: Andrew Feltham Subject: Junior Indoors? MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Version 3.01 Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Does Anyone know when, where the next Junior Indoors are? -- Andrew Feltham From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Jan 2 21:10:08 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id VAA21471; Thu, 2 Jan 1997 21:10:02 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id VAA16422; Thu, 2 Jan 1997 21:04:57 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id VAA16406; Thu, 2 Jan 1997 21:00:49 GMT Received: from arl-img-3.compuserve.com by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id VAA21204; Thu, 2 Jan 1997 21:00:46 GMT Received: by arl-img-3.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id PAA02586; Thu, 2 Jan 1997 15:57:36 -0500 Date: Thu, 2 Jan 1997 13:40:54 -0500 From: Aike Arnheim <106400.277@compuserve.com> Subject: SATURDAY 18TH JANUARY To: BritDisc Cc: Kris Bater , Jo Dunkley , Amy Griffiths , Amy Griffiths , Dora Kemp , Laura Lafave , Chloe Nicholas , Fiona Sawers Message-ID: <199701021557_MC2-E30-B631@compuserve.com> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk FIRST TRAINING DATE TO BE SATURDAY 18TH JANUARY 10.00am WHITNEY OXFORD Look forward to seeing as many of you as possible. Vanessa For directions etc do not hesitate to call (contacts as below) > World Clubs, Vancouver 1997 > > The Funky Nuns are making preliminary plans to go to the World Clubs in Vancouver 1997. > At the moment we do not have a full squad and we are looking to pick up a number of like > minded, good quality women players. > > We are interested in those who are prepared to put time and effort into training and > playing. In theory we would aim to practise at least twice a month (possibly more, > depending on geographical spread). > > Importantly, this week is going to cost eight hundred to one thousand pounds, but this > is a fantastic opportunity to experience top quality Ultimate. > > Contacts > Jennifer Nilson or Vanessa White > H: 0181 67 37 538 H: 0171 435 8837 > W: 0171 382 6561 W: 0171 935 7700 > Mobile: 0468 077 280 email. Compurserve address c/o Aike Arnheim 106400,277 > > Team email: funkynun@phidelta.demon.co.uk (Vanessa and Rebecca) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Jan 6 07:51:30 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id HAA14331; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 07:51:26 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id HAA00200; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 07:48:14 GMT Received: from crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id HAA00195; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 07:48:07 GMT Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 07:48:04 GMT From: Mr R C Doswell Message-Id: <6391.199701060748@crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Received: by crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk id HAA06391; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 07:48:04 GMT To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: BUF Events Reminder Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk British Ultimate Federation Disc Events Diary --------------------------------------------- January 1997 ------------ Saturday 18 January 1997 Student Indoor Regionals (SOUTH EAST) (2 days) TBC @ Oxford Saturday 25 January 1997 BUF Womens Indoor Nationals (2 days) @ Birmingham February 1997 ------------- Saturday 1 February 1997 Red Co-ed Indoors (2 days) @ Leicester Saturday 8 February 1997 Furious Five II (2 days) (Non-UK event) @ Odense, DK Newport Indoors (2 days) @ Newport Saturday 22 February 1997 BUF Student Indoor Finals (2 days) @ Leeds (TBC) March 1997 ---------- Saturday 1 March 1997 National Indoor Regionals (2 days) Saturday 8 March 1997 Warwick Indoors (2 days) @ Coventry Saturday 15 March 1997 Wolves Indoors (2 days) @ Wolverhampton (???) Saturday 22 March 1997 National Indoor Finals (2 days) April 1997 ---------- Saturday 5 April 1997 BUF Tour I (2 days) TBC @ Leeds Saturday 19 April 1997 BUF Tour II : Leicester Outdoors (2 days) @ Victoria Park, Leicester Saturday 26 April 1997 Student Outdoors (2 days) TBC @ TBA : Bids to Barry O'Kane May 1997 -------- Saturday 3 May 1997 BUF National Junior Outdoors (2 days) @ TBC Saturday 24 May 1997 BUF Tour III (2 days) TBC @ TBA : Bids to Simon Hill June 1997 --------- Saturday 7 June 1997 Red Co-ed Outdoors (2 days) @ Countesthorpe, Leicester Saturday 21 June 1997 BUF Tour IV : Southampton Outdoors (2 days) @ Southampton July 1997 --------- Sunday 27 July 1997 World Ultimate Club Championships (WUCC'97) (7 days) (Non-UK event) @ Vancouver, CA August 1997 ----------- Saturday 16 August 1997 Ross-on-Wye (2 days) TBC @ Ross-On-Wye! Saturday 23 August 1997 1997 BDGA Championships (2 days) (Non-Ultimate) TBC Sunday 24 August 1997 EFDF European Ultimate Championships (7 days) @ Millfield School, Street, Somerset, UK September 1997 -------------- Thursday 11 September 1997 British Open (4 days) --------------------------------------------------------------- British Ultimate Federation Disc Events Diary http://www.csv.warwick.ac.uk:5201/cgi-bin/diary Ranulf Doswell, ralf@dcs.warwick.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Jan 7 13:29:00 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id NAA09423; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 13:28:56 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id NAA27466; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 13:19:22 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id NAA27461; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 13:19:14 GMT Received: from dns0.curved-logic.com by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id NAA08246; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 13:19:09 GMT Received: from pc15.curved-logic.com by dns0.curved-logic.com id aa26110; 7 Jan 97 14:20 GMT Received: by pc15.curved-logic.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BBFC9C.6E447AE0@pc15.curved-logic.com>; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 13:12:27 -0000 Message-ID: <01BBFC9C.6E447AE0@pc15.curved-logic.com> From: Kevin Lowe To: "'Britdisc'" Subject: National Junior Indoors Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 13:12:26 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk A venue has finally been found for the National Junior Indoors. They will take place at Millfield School, Street, Somerset on February = 15/16. Cost will be about 40 pounds per team. All players must be under = 19 as of September 1st, 1997. Accommodation is free, and meals can be = provided at a reasonable cost. Information is going out in the post to all junior teams today. Kevin. --=20 | E-mail Kev@Curved-logic.com Phone (+44)1244-382371 | Q. Which is the greater problem in the world today, Ignorance or = Apathy? | A. I don't know, and I really don't care! From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Jan 8 16:22:28 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id QAA24713; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 16:22:25 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id QAA24355; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 16:17:14 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id QAA24350; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 16:17:05 GMT Received: from oxmail4.ox.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id QAA23942; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 16:17:03 GMT Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk by oxmail4 with SMTP (PP) with ESMTP; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 16:16:03 +0000 Received: (from immd0001@localhost) by ermine.ox.ac.uk (1.1/8.8.3) id QAA12825; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 16:16:54 GMT Date: Wed, 8 Jan 1997 16:16:54 +0000 (GMT) From: paul meaney To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: National Qualifiers Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Dear All, we enter 1997 on the threshold of possibly another cock- up. As yet, we have NO teams wishing to hold ANY qualifiers for the 1997 National Indoors. If Anyone can think of somewhere to hold the Northern, Midlands, South Eastern and South Western tournaments ideally on the weekend of the 1st and 2nd of March, could they PLEASE get in touch ASAP. Otherwise, I will start phoning and start delegating. For midlands and Northern teams I will accept bids for the following w/e. In view of the proposed venue for the finals pending confirmation) I feel it would be unwise for theSE/ SW qualifiers to be on the 7th/ 8th. These qualifiers cannot take place on the prior weekend becasue of a clash with the Student Indoor Finals. ONLY AS A LAST RESORT will I consider bids for the w/e of the 15th and 16th as this clashes with the Junior Nationals and puts the right royal mockers on the work that Kev Lowe has done SO If you don;t want me phoning you up at odd hours of the day and saying "Sorry, Old chum, but you're now the official organiser of the (blah) Qualifiers, thanks to my highly detailed selection scheme involving a list of gullible people, a blindfold and a pin!" Please get in touch. you can mail me here, or phone me on: 01865 222 377 (work) 01865 772 903 (home) pass the prozac....................... Paul. //////////////////////////////////\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ ****************************************************************************** Kryten: sir, you must forgive Mr Rimmer, he's suffering from a stress- related nervous disorder Lister: Next time I see him he'll be suffering from a fist- related teeth disorder ****************************************************************************** \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\//////////////////////////////////////////// From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Jan 8 16:55:48 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id QAA29271; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 16:55:44 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id QAA25139; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 16:51:31 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id QAA25131; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 16:51:14 GMT Received: from vulcan by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id QAA28422; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 16:51:04 GMT Received: from hawk.le.ac.uk by vulcan with SMTP (PP); Wed, 8 Jan 1997 16:47:31 +0000 Date: Wed, 8 Jan 1997 16:47:18 +0000 (GMT) From: Scott X-Sender: iws1@hawk To: britdisc Subject: Red Co-ed 1/2 Feb - Spaces to fill Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Dear BDers Don't be shy, get a team together and enter the Red Co-ed. With all the talk of mixed Ultimate I can't believe there aren't hordes of teams just gagging to play is a mixed sex event!!! There are still places left so get your entries in today!!! ++++++++++ Red Co-ed 1997 (1/2 Feb)++++++++++++ Following the success of last years Co-ed events Red have decided to continue the tradition and put on a MAJOR co-ed indoors in Leicester..... Here's some appetisers; Location: Granby Halls, Leicester - 3 courts - Huge Hall 71x41m Teams: Max 24 Coed + Max 12 Juniors Cost: 60GBP Coed; 00GBP Juniors (provided we get enough entries in the coed division) Playing time: Yonks. At least 20min games (probably 25min) Places will be allocated on a bid basis once the official invites have gone out and the official web page is up. Bids will be considered on the ability to field a full co-ed side and speed of response with dosh (NOTE: We need to fill the places to cover our costs so partial coed teams may be considered, but not over full coed's) If you haven't received an invite in the post just give me a mail... Scott /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ SCOTT: Ian Scotland Tel: 0116 2525824 Fax: 0116 2523154 E-mail: iws1@le.ac.uk http://wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk/buf/ /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Jan 8 17:10:43 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id RAA00836; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 17:10:41 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id RAA25398; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 17:06:23 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id RAA25388; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 17:06:06 GMT Received: from relay-11.mail.demon.net by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id RAA00384; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 17:06:03 GMT Received: from rfeltham.demon.co.uk ([194.222.105.80]) by relay-10.mail.demon.net id aa1018474; 8 Jan 97 17:03 GMT Message-ID: Date: Wed, 8 Jan 1997 17:02:05 +0000 To: Britdisc From: Andrew Feltham Subject: National Junior Indoors......Help! MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Version 3.01 Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hurricane Ultimate team is looking for any JUNIOR who would like a pick up in our team for the National Junior Indoors in Sommerset on the 15th/16th Febuary. We are currently playing Iron Man! If you are interested please reply soon! -- Andrew Feltham From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Jan 10 11:49:43 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA03066; Fri, 10 Jan 1997 11:49:39 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id KAA28388; Fri, 10 Jan 1997 10:13:20 GMT Received: from clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id KAA28382; Fri, 10 Jan 1997 10:13:11 GMT Received: from vulcan by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id KAA01481; Fri, 10 Jan 1997 10:13:05 GMT Received: from hawk.le.ac.uk by vulcan with SMTP (PP); Fri, 10 Jan 1997 10:10:51 +0000 Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 10:10:42 +0000 (GMT) From: Scott X-Sender: iws1@hawk To: britdisc Subject: Time-Out Article Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Someone out there in Discland has managed to get an article in Time-Out magazine and nobody I spoke to knows who! Whoever it was, well done! The response from this article has been second only to the respose to the Times article a while ago and has resulted in interest from TV yet again. Just one minor complaint tho', if a publication is going to carry my phone number then it would be nice to know before it goes out to the public. Roll on Blue Peter.... Scott /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ SCOTT: Ian Scotland Tel: 0116 2525824 Fax: 0116 2523154 E-mail: iws1@le.ac.uk http://wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk/buf/ /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Jan 10 11:49:44 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA03077; Fri, 10 Jan 1997 11:49:41 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id JAA28046; Fri, 10 Jan 1997 09:50:41 GMT Received: from clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id JAA28036; Fri, 10 Jan 1997 09:50:24 GMT Received: from dns0.curved-logic.com by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id JAA00442; Fri, 10 Jan 1997 09:50:14 GMT Received: from pc15.curved-logic.com by dns0.curved-logic.com id aa04541; 10 Jan 97 10:54 GMT Received: by pc15.curved-logic.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BBFEDB.17EFB920@pc15.curved-logic.com>; Fri, 10 Jan 1997 09:46:03 -0000 Message-ID: <01BBFEDB.17EFB920@pc15.curved-logic.com> From: Kevin Lowe To: "'Britdisc'" Subject: Junior Ultimate on Blue Peter Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 09:46:02 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk I've got no idea how it is going to turn out, but Ultimate will be = appearing on Monday's Blue Peter (BBC1 17:10). Some juniors from = Hurricanes and St. Philamenas will be filmed on Monday morning in the = Blue Peter garden (which makes a badminton court look large). Hopefully, = they will get hold of some of the Channel 4 footage to compliment it, to = show Ultimate in its true light.=20 Good luck to the juniors appearing. This has been cobbled together at = very short notice, due to Blue Peter only realising on Tuesday that they = had a huge gap in Monday's show. Thanks to Jon Hope for doing the ground = work, and an initial contact ages ago through Rachel Boyd. Let's hope = there's truth in the saying, "There's no such thing as bad publicity." = Let's also hope that none of them 'do a Purdy', otherwise everyone else = appearing will suffer endless jibes, and feel extremely bitter towards = that person for years to come :) Blue Peter will place the BUF details (web site, email address and PO = Box details) on Ceefax, so we hope to get a good number of enquiries. = There goes my weekend trying to get the school's pack into a reasonable = state, just in case we get inundated with junior enquiries. Kevin. --=20 | E-mail Kev@Curved-logic.com Phone (+44)1244-382371 | Q. Which is the greater problem in the world today, Ignorance or = Apathy? | A. I don't know, and I really don't care! From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Jan 10 14:54:22 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id OAA06301; Fri, 10 Jan 1997 14:54:18 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id OAA04642; Fri, 10 Jan 1997 14:46:57 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id OAA04637; Fri, 10 Jan 1997 14:46:50 GMT Received: from oxmail4.ox.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id OAA05180; Fri, 10 Jan 1997 14:46:48 GMT Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk by oxmail4 with SMTP (PP) with ESMTP; Fri, 10 Jan 1997 14:45:24 +0000 Received: (from immd0001@localhost) by ermine.ox.ac.uk (1.1/8.8.3) id OAA17293; Fri, 10 Jan 1997 14:46:16 GMT Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 14:46:15 +0000 (GMT) From: paul meaney To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Nationals Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk right all, the news is now as follows: The 1997 National Indoor Finals are to be held in the Meadowbank Sports Centre, Edinburgh Yep, EDINBURGH. Now before ANYONE moans, when I asked for bids, the Sneeekys were the only ones to get back to me with a detailed venue/party/accommodation package. so if you think that you could find a venue for 24 teams with the prestige associated with meadowbank (in Scotland, admittedly) and arrange a party AND sort out somewhere to stay, then you have until monday to let me know. otherwise - YOU SHOULD HAVE GOT BACK TO ME WHEN I ARSKED !!!!!. Also, considering that the Sneeekys have been making journeys of this size as a matter of course since 1987 (and doing pretty decently at it to), it ain't unreasonable to request a trip Up North - just for once!!! Any complaints or bitching - tough! (oh, and by the way - if you book a minibus now and fail to qualify, you don;t lose anything by cancelling it. That's from bitter experience, so there's no reason for ANYONE to say that "we couldn;t organise transport in time!!. DO IT NOW !!!! YOU KNOW WHEN IT IS !!!!!) Paul. //////////////////////////////////\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ ****************************************************************************** Kryten: sir, you must forgive Mr Rimmer, he's suffering from a stress- related nervous disorder Lister: Next time I see him he'll be suffering from a fist- related teeth disorder ****************************************************************************** \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\//////////////////////////////////////////// From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Jan 13 16:49:23 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id QAA27276; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 16:49:18 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id MAA18888; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 12:14:24 GMT Received: from clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id MAA18883; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 12:14:15 GMT From: Ian_Stebbing.C&L_GB.C&L_INT.C&L_US.C&L_US_EXTERNAL@NOTES.compuserve.com Received: from dub-img-5.compuserve.com by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id LAA02714; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 11:20:52 GMT Received: by dub-img-5.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id GAA05104; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 06:18:57 -0500 Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 06:18:05 -0500 Subject: Disc Sports Summit? To: "INTERNET:britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk" Message-ID: <199701130619_MC1-E24-B37D@compuserve.com> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Sorry I seem to have missed something here a Disc Sports Summit at Aston Uni on the 25th. What is this going to be all about? Ian From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Jan 13 16:50:00 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id QAA27439; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 16:49:55 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id JAA14870; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 09:04:50 GMT Received: from crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id HAA14340; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 07:48:12 GMT Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 07:48:09 GMT From: Mr R C Doswell Message-Id: <1978.199701130748@crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Received: by crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk id HAA01978; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 07:48:09 GMT To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: BUF Events Reminder Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk British Ultimate Federation Disc Events Diary --------------------------------------------- January 1997 ------------ Saturday 18 January 1997 Student Indoor Regionals (SOUTH EAST) (2 days) TBC @ Oxford Saturday 25 January 1997 BUF Womens Indoor Nationals (2 days) @ Birmingham Discs Sports Summit (2 days) (Non-Ultimate) @ Aston University, Birmingham February 1997 ------------- Saturday 1 February 1997 Red Co-ed Indoors (2 days) @ Leicester Saturday 8 February 1997 Furious Five II (2 days) (Non-UK event) @ Odense, DK Newport Indoors (2 days) @ Newport Saturday 15 February 1997 BUF Junior Indoor Nationals (2 days) @ Millfield School, Street Saturday 22 February 1997 BUF Student Indoor Finals (2 days) @ Leeds (TBC) March 1997 ---------- Saturday 1 March 1997 National Indoor Regionals (2 days) Saturday 8 March 1997 Warwick Indoors (2 days) @ Coventry Saturday 15 March 1997 Wolves Indoors (2 days) @ Wolverhampton (???) Saturday 22 March 1997 National Indoor Finals (2 days) April 1997 ---------- Saturday 5 April 1997 BUF Tour I (2 days) TBC @ Leeds Saturday 19 April 1997 BUF Tour II : Leicester Outdoors (2 days) @ Victoria Park, Leicester Saturday 26 April 1997 Student Outdoors (2 days) TBC @ TBA : Bids to Barry O'Kane May 1997 -------- Saturday 3 May 1997 BUF National Junior Outdoors (2 days) @ TBC Freezzz Beezzz 5th International Outdoor Ultimate Tournament (2 days) (Non-UK event) @ Brugge, BE Saturday 24 May 1997 BUF Tour III (2 days) TBC @ TBA : Bids to Simon Hill June 1997 --------- Saturday 7 June 1997 Red Co-ed Outdoors (2 days) @ Countesthorpe, Leicester Saturday 21 June 1997 BUF Tour IV : Southampton Outdoors (2 days) @ Southampton July 1997 --------- Sunday 27 July 1997 World Ultimate Club Championships (WUCC'97) (7 days) (Non-UK event) @ Vancouver, CA August 1997 ----------- Saturday 16 August 1997 Ross-on-Wye (2 days) TBC @ Ross-On-Wye! Saturday 23 August 1997 1997 BDGA Championships (2 days) (Non-Ultimate) TBC Sunday 24 August 1997 EFDF European Ultimate Championships (7 days) @ Millfield School, Street, Somerset, UK September 1997 -------------- Thursday 11 September 1997 British Open (4 days) --------------------------------------------------------------- British Ultimate Federation Disc Events Diary http://www.csv.warwick.ac.uk:5201/cgi-bin/diary Ranulf Doswell, ralf@dcs.warwick.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Jan 14 17:55:08 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id RAA24905; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 17:55:04 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id RAA22194; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 17:42:38 GMT Received: from violet.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id RAA22189; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 17:42:29 GMT Received: from admin.warwick.ac.uk by violet.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id RAA26130; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 17:42:03 GMT Received: from SIGMA/MERCURY by admin.warwick.ac.uk (Mercury 1.21); 14 Jan 97 17:41:24 +0000 Received: from MERCURY by SIGMA (Mercury 1.21); 14 Jan 97 17:40:55 +0000 From: "DEREK ROBINS" Organization: University of Warwick, CV4 7AL, UK To: eurodisc@ira.uka.de, britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 17:40:46 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Shock News about Dan "Stork" Roddick departure from Mattel Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.1 (R1a) Message-ID: <68DF080513F@admin.warwick.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk At 1:34 AM 1/14/97, Cyberstork@aol.com wrote: > Friends, > > As January 13, 1997, I am no longer in the employ of Mattel, Inc. My > position as manager of Sports Promotion was elimininated as part of a > general cutback of overhead expenses in the Sports division. Arthur > Coddington will remain at Mattel and should be your contact for > questions that relate to Mattel Sports activities. He can be reached > at 310-252-4762 or neuroshred@loop.com. > > I anticipate that Mattel will continue with a revised program of > Frisbee disc and Hacky Sack footbag support, but the 1997 program has > not yet been finalized. > > I am very appreciative of the cooperation that the player community > has provided for me over the last 22 years of my professional > involvement with the makers of Frisbee brand discs. Without that > support and enthusiasm the job would have not been worth doing. I > look forward to speaking with each of you individually but I wanted > to let you know of this change as quickly as possible. I will of > course continue to be involved in the disc and footbag communities > through my elected positions in W.F.D.F. and the P.A.B. of the W.F.A. > My personal goal is to enjoy a much-needed sabbatical before doing > any serious thinking about gainful employment. > > Stork > > PS: As of 3:00 pm p.s.t., Mattel stock value appeared to be > unaffected by the news. Stork has done more for disc sports than anyone else alive or dead and it is difficult not to feel anger towards Mattel as well as sadness at this news. It was only a few weeks ago that we were reading about the involvement of 160,000 children in the Juniors programme organised by him for Mattel. We have benefitted from his efforts over in Britain during the last year too - with materials and ideas. Anyone who has met Stork will know of his kindness, humour and dedication to the game and will want to wish him well. I wonder whether we should also petition Mattel. Derek Robins (in shock) *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*- Derek Robins | | D.J.Robins@admin.warwick.ac.uk Management Accountant | | Tel 01203 523523 x22710 Finance Office | | Fax 01203 524573 University of Warwick | | Room 343 Coventry CV4 7AL | | Senate House *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*- From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Jan 14 18:28:14 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id SAA28954; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 18:28:10 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id SAA22829; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 18:14:40 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id SAA22808; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 18:12:54 GMT Received: from utrecht.knoware.nl by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id SAA27225; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 18:12:47 GMT Received: from [193.78.121.2] (mac-2.knoware.nl [193.78.121.2]) by utrecht.knoware.nl (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id TAA23807; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 19:11:51 +0100 X-Sender: mikeocon@pop.knoware.nl Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 19:16:20 +0100 To: frisbee@win.tue.nl From: mikeocon@knoware.nl (Dulcimer Disc Sport / Baseball School) Subject: (Frisbee) DiscGolf Alkmaar Cc: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk, eurodisc@ira.uka.de, ultimate@doe.carleton.ca, crouwel@cistron.nl, embangma@worldonline.nl, eherber@xs4all.nl, franks@it.et.tudelft.nl (Frank Spaan), Geer@xs4all.nl, J.P.Plas@fwn.rug.nl, info@ladyslipper.org, ktheesen@unlinfo.unl.edu, coolstuff@liberty.com, bouman@voeding.tno.nl, m.lankveld@chat.cebeco.nl, mbos@leasecontracts.nl, 101720.1523@compuserve.com, pvvogel@xs4all.nl, talcott@inter.nl.net, lynch@efn.org, 100741.2350@compuserve.com, psvranck@domstad.antenna.nl, a.tepper@mhg.nl, afn12826@freenet.ufl.edu, L.vanderSpek@uvh.nl, estami2@mail.interpac.be Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi, Hans Zijp just mailed some info about the (Frisbee) DiscGolf WinterTour '96-'97 tournament in Alkmaar to our old address. Luckily my schoonvader brought it by right away. Here's what it says: Er wordt gespeeld in : recreatie gebied " Het Geesterambacht" iets ten noorden van Alkmaar {the tournament will be played in the recreational area called " Het Geesterambacht" a little north of Alkmaar, the Netherlands Inscrijven bij : Restaurant " Het Meer" vanaf 10:00 sign ups at the only restaurant in the park ( great pea soup, better tomato soup!), very friendly folks around 10:00 Players meeting :10:15 uur ( a.m.) Start 1e ronde : 10:30 uur ( a.m.) Routebescriving ( Directions to get there) Met de auto ( with the car): Aangekomen op de randweg van/om Alkmaar, neem je de afslag richting Schagen, dit is de N245. Na enkel stoplichten sla je links af (hier geen stoplichten) bij de aanduiding "Geestmerambacht"/camping Molengroet. Na ongeveer 200 meter sla je links af het recreatie gebied in. Volg de eenrichtingsweg naar de parkeerplaats. Onderweg zie je al bordjes van restaurant "Het Meer" hier verzamelen we voor de players meeting. {As you come around the traffic circle in Alkmaar take the direction to Schagen, this will be route no. N245. After a few stoplights go left when you see a sign that says "Geestmerambacht"/camping Molengroet ( there is no stoplight ). Ride about 200 meters you'll turn left into the park. Follow the one-way road to the parking area. On this road you'll have seen signs for the restaurant "De Meer", that's where' we'' meet for the player's meeting.} Per openbaar vervoer: Helaas het recreatiegebied is slecht bereikbaar per o.v. - Vanaf Alkmaar Centraal Station neem je de bus 156 ( vertrek 3 min. over het halve uur) of bus 157 ( vertrek 3 min. over het hele uur). De reistijd met deze bus bedraagt ongeveer een hal uur. Uitstappen bij de halte " Witte Winkel". Vandaar is het nog een half uur lopen. - Als je een treintaxi wilt en /of kunt nemen reis dan eerst naar station Heerhugowaard. Vandaar is het zo'n 7 min. per taxi. {Via public transportation: Unfortunately the park is not easy to reach by public transportation - from the central train station in Alkmaar you can take bus #156 ( leaves 3 minutes after the half hour) or bus #157 ( leaves 3 minutes after the hour). This ride will take about 30 minutes. Step out at the stop called the "Witte Wiinkel". From this point its about a half hour walk ( good warming up-ed.)} Wat kan je zo'n beetje verwachten? {What can you expect?} - ruimte, heel veel ruimte { room (space), lots of room (space)} - enkele lange holes { a few long holes} - waarschijnlijk veel wind { probably a lot of wind} Een practige "tunnel" { a beautiful "tunnel"} - enkele lastige putting situaties {several difficult putting situations} - restaurant midden op het parcours { restaurant in the middle of the park (warm-ed.)} - voldoende parkeergelegenheid { plenty of parking possibilities} De score kaart. { The scorecard } hole par meter 1 3 80 2 4 130 3 3 90 4 3 80 5 3 80 6 3 70 7 3 70 8 4 110 9 4 120 info Hans Zijp 022 631 8899 upcoming tournaments on the 'tour': Feb 22 Bruxelles Olivier Cassart 02-6493102 B Mar 8 Nieuwegein Mike Ocon 030-6881711 NL Mar 28-30 Namur Marco Lehousse 081-222823 B Apr 12 Nijmegen Erik Schmieman 0317-423604 NL Apr 26-27 Brugge Glenn Nolf 050-311705 B May 10 Rotterdam Rob Mertens 010-4664951 NL --- Dulcimer Disc Sport, Kite-Flying, Rope-Jumping, Academic ( Sentient) Baseball School Ijsselsteinse Disctivity Center, Nedereindse Plas, Provincie Utrecht The Netherlands correspondence address: Zwedenstraat 3 3402 TG Ijsselstein The Netherlands tel 31 0 30 688 1711 (first 0 not needed from outside Holland) email disctivity@aol.com (Dulcimer DiscSport Team) internet http://utopia.knoware.nl /users/mikeocon From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Jan 14 21:28:35 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id VAA14091; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 21:28:29 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id VAA26250; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 21:23:40 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id VAA26243; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 21:23:21 GMT Received: from phidelta.demon.co.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id VAA13671; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 21:23:04 GMT Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 20:49:03 GMT From: druid@phidelta.demon.co.uk (Fluid Druids Ultimate Team) Reply-To: druid@phidelta.demon.co.uk Message-Id: <4192@phidelta.demon.co.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Cc: c.hughes1@livjm.ac.uk Subject: Newport: Entrants X-Name: Wayne Retter, Treasurer X-Team: Fluid Druids - theultimatefrisbeeteam X-WWW: http://www.dreamer.demon.co.uk/druids.htm X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Lines: 23 Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk The Fluid Druids are pleased to announce that the following teams will be attending Newport: Fluid Druids Old Druids with a K Lurkers Mr Men Sharks UTI Mohawks Bristol Blue Arse Flies Skunks Funky Nuns Hurricaine Tribal Desire Zebedees Bears Playthings Further information will follow by snail-mail to the contact names supplied, hopefully arriving early next week. Wayne Retter ...................................... : FLUID DRUIDS : : theultimatefrisbeeteam : : Druid@phidelta.demon.co.uk : : http://www.dreamer.demon.co.uk/ : :....................................: From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Jan 15 13:12:00 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id NAA01566; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 13:11:53 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id NAA08774; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 13:05:43 GMT Received: from violet.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id NAA08768; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 13:05:09 GMT Received: from admin.warwick.ac.uk by violet.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id NAA24907; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 13:02:16 GMT Received: from SIGMA/MERCURY by admin.warwick.ac.uk (Mercury 1.21); 15 Jan 97 13:01:45 +0000 Received: from MERCURY by SIGMA (Mercury 1.21); 15 Jan 97 13:01:25 +0000 From: "DEREK ROBINS" Organization: University of Warwick, CV4 7AL, UK To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk, eurodisc@ira.uka.de, oz.freire@designmotive.co.uk, charlie_mead@midnet.com, 100125.651@compuserve.com, 101321.3676@compuserve.com, batty@volumex.demon.co.uk, SURCWA@hantsnet.hants.gov.uk, xjim@sol.tilehill.ac.uk, saw@easynet.co.uk, alkaid@ping.be, 103320.2724@compuserve.com Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 13:01:15 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Disc Golf Promotion in London Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.1 (R1a) Message-ID: <6A1488B3B59@admin.warwick.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk John Purdie e-mailed me with this question, > The real reason for mailing you tho' Del is that someone told me there > have been bill board ad's in newagents etc in London placed by TNT > (freebie Antipod' newspaper) indicating that "disc golf is coming..if > you haven't heard of it yet you soon will have" etc etc > > Can you shed any light on this? Yes I can. I was contacted last month by Richard Sampson who is Promotions Assistant at TNT magazine. He spent some time in the States before starting with TNT and during that time got hooked on disc golf. The mag is aimed as Aussies, Kiwis etc living in/visiting London. Oz Freire and I had a meeting with TNT on December 30th and have been working on a document to send to Leisure/Parks departments. It will be a joint approach with TNT and the objective is to get a course installed in London. TNT can then promote corporate leagues/ tournaments etc (no specifics yet) and involve their clients in sponsoring events. If anyone reading this knows of particularly suitable parks or has useful contacts with Parks departments then please e-mail Oz at oz.freire@designmotive.co.uk Derek Robins National Director, British Disc Golf Association *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*- Derek Robins | | D.J.Robins@admin.warwick.ac.uk Management Accountant | | Tel 01203 523523 x22710 Finance Office | | Fax 01203 524573 University of Warwick | | Room 343 Coventry CV4 7AL | | Senate House *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*- From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Jan 15 15:51:51 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id PAA26387; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 15:51:48 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id PAA11981; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 15:46:45 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id PAA11975; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 15:46:36 GMT Received: from pillar.elsevier.co.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id PAA25571; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 15:46:34 GMT Received: from snowdon.elsevier.co.uk (snowdon.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.197.164]) by pillar.elsevier.co.uk (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id PAA24383 for ; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 15:45:22 GMT Received: from ELSEVIER.CO.UK (actually host eslgate.elsevier.co.uk) by snowdon.elsevier.co.uk with SMTP (PP); Wed, 15 Jan 1997 15:45:55 +0000 Received: from ES#u#OXF-Message_Server by ELSEVIER.CO.UK with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 15:45:37 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 15:45:24 +0000 From: Toby Green To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk, eurodisc@ira.uka.de Subject: Frostbreaker Disc Golf at Whitcombe Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Assuming the sun comes back from the southern hemisphere sometime soon, the daffodils should be breaking through sometime in late February - and will they be a sight for sore eyes, you bettcha! To celebrate the return of the sun, we will be holding a: 'Frostbreaker Disc Golf Tournament' at Whitcombe Farm, Beaminster, Dorset on: February 22nd and 23rd, 1997 The famous Whitcombe Farm Disc Golf course has two 18-basket courses over some of the lovliest, organic, farmland in England. Designed by Oz Freire and Toby Green, this challenging course was built 8 years ago, and was much improved in 1996 with the introduction of baskets with chains (and a murderous, but quite entertaining, new fifth hole on the new course!). Accommodation - the choice is yours: Summerhouse (warm wooden chalet with bathrooms and kitchen) @ ?5 per person per night (bed) or ?2 per person per night (floor) Camping (access to bathrooms and kitchen) @ ?1 per person per night Local bed & breakfast from ~?15 per person per night Beds in the Summerhouse allocated on a first-come-first-served basis, so let me know!! There are six singles and a double. If you need help booking a bed & breakfast, let me know. Tournament fees: ?15; ?12 BDGA members; ?8 unwaged; ?5 under 18. Let all your friends know - and most of all, let me know if you're planning to come!! You'll find me at: 74 Old High Street, Headington, Oxford OX3 9HW, UK Tel: +44 1865 69789 e-mail: t.green@elsevier.co.uk TOBY GREEN ps: dates for your diary: Whitcombe Disc Golf Classic - June 14th and 15th Whitcombe Scrumping* Disc Golf Tournament - September 6th and 7th *To celebrate the apple harvest, local cider will be provided!! From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Jan 15 16:21:56 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id QAA00749; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 16:21:48 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id QAA12778; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 16:17:17 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id QAA12772; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 16:17:10 GMT Received: from vulcan by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id QAA00089; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 16:17:08 GMT Received: from hawk.le.ac.uk by vulcan with SMTP (PP); Wed, 15 Jan 1997 16:14:19 +0000 Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 16:14:01 +0000 (GMT) From: Scott X-Sender: iws1@hawk To: britdisc Subject: Red Co-ed 1/2 Feb - Latest Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Dear BDers, Just to remind people the closing date for entries to the Red Co-ed is Friday. If you are definitely coming and haven't sent you cheque in then do it now! I have definate entries from 15 coed teams (all proper co-ed) and 4 more provisional entries. So far I have only 4 definate entries for the juniors which may have to be cancelled if there's not more interest. It's not too late for you to enter! If you really want to enter but need a few more days to sort out your entry fee, give me a call asap. If you have forgotten here's the details; ++++++++++ Red Co-ed 1997 (1/2 Feb)++++++++++++ Following the success of last years Co-ed events Red have decided to continue the tradition and put on a MAJOR co-ed indoors in Leicester..... Here's some appetisers; Location: Granby Halls, Leicester - 3 courts - Huge Hall 71x41m Teams: Max 24 Coed + Max 12 Juniors Cost: 60GBP Coed; 00GBP Juniors (provided we get enough entries in the coed division) Playing time: Yonks. At least 20min games (probably 25min) Places will be allocated on a bid basis once the official invites have gone out and the official web page is up. Bids will be considered on the ability to field a full co-ed side and speed of response with dosh (NOTE: We need to fill the places to cover our costs so partial coed teams may be considered, but not over full coed's) If you haven't received an invite in the post just give me a mail... Scott /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ SCOTT: Ian Scotland Tel: 0116 2525824 (day) 0116 2481785 (eves) Fax: 0116 2523154 E-mail: iws1@le.ac.uk http://wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk/buf/ /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Jan 16 12:45:43 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id MAA08032; Thu, 16 Jan 1997 12:45:37 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id MAA04830; Thu, 16 Jan 1997 12:38:58 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id MAA04824; Thu, 16 Jan 1997 12:38:40 GMT Received: from oxmail4.ox.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id MAA06974; Thu, 16 Jan 1997 12:38:34 GMT Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk by oxmail4 with SMTP (PP) with ESMTP; Thu, 16 Jan 1997 12:37:32 +0000 Received: (from immd0001@localhost) by ermine.ox.ac.uk (1.1/8.8.3) id MAA15872; Thu, 16 Jan 1997 12:38:28 GMT Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 12:38:28 +0000 (GMT) From: paul meaney To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: National Qualifiers Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi Y'all, Just in case you guys are getting nervous ,I'm just letting people know that the venues for the SE, SW and Northerns have been confirmed. I will make a detailed announcement about where they are pending confirmation of the Midlands venue (no pressure, Merrick!) No, I'm not going to give you a hint. you'll all just have to wait like good little boys and girls. Wrap up warm, it's cold out there. Paul. //////////////////////////////////\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ ****************************************************************************** Kryten: sir, you must forgive Mr Rimmer, he's suffering from a stress- related nervous disorder Lister: Next time I see him he'll be suffering from a fist- related teeth disorder ****************************************************************************** \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\//////////////////////////////////////////// From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Jan 16 13:01:02 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id NAA10577; Thu, 16 Jan 1997 13:00:56 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id MAA05379; Thu, 16 Jan 1997 12:56:18 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id MAA05367; Thu, 16 Jan 1997 12:56:02 GMT Received: from dryctnath.mmu.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id MAA09787; Thu, 16 Jan 1997 12:55:59 GMT Received: from caspan.mmu.ac.uk by dryctnath.mmu.ac.uk with internet SMTP with ESMTP; Thu, 16 Jan 1997 12:55:21 +0000 Received: from MMU-MAN-CASPAN/SpoolDir by caspan.mmu.ac.uk (Mercury 1.21); 16 Jan 97 12:56:55 GMT0BST Received: from SpoolDir by MMU-MAN-CASPAN (Mercury 1.30); 16 Jan 97 12:56:17 GMT0BST From: 93775814 <93775814@mmu.ac.uk> Organization: Manchester Metropolitan University (FMB/BIT) To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 12:56:04 GMT0BST Subject: *KNICKERS* Reply-to: 93775814@mmu.ac.uk Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <4C461B2C8B@caspan.mmu.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Dear all, Thought that would get your attention! This is just a quick note referring to an item of clothing found at the friendly indoor tournament at Bradford last weekend. The tournament was great fun and much running was done by everyone. However, upon return to the minibus on Sunday, I found a relatively new pair of silky-blue, frilly knickers attatched to the windscreen! I had to check the item in question for a name or any distinctive characteristics (the usual lost property drill!) but I could find nothing. So, there is someone out there who is very cold! If you think you may have lost such an item you can contact me with a full description and they can by winging their way back to you. Cheers Rod (Fingers 6) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Jan 16 13:38:41 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id NAA16043; Thu, 16 Jan 1997 13:38:35 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id NAA06217; Thu, 16 Jan 1997 13:33:56 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id NAA06212; Thu, 16 Jan 1997 13:33:48 GMT Received: from oxmail4.ox.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id NAA15350; Thu, 16 Jan 1997 13:33:46 GMT Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk by oxmail4 with SMTP (PP) with ESMTP; Thu, 16 Jan 1997 13:32:43 +0000 Received: (from immd0001@localhost) by ermine.ox.ac.uk (1.1/8.8.3) id NAA29923; Thu, 16 Jan 1997 13:33:40 GMT Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 13:33:40 +0000 (GMT) From: paul meaney To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk cc: paul.meaney@molecular-medicine.oxford.ac.uk Subject: Desperately Seeking Kenny... (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk oops! hope this makes it..... read the forwarded bit, people! //////////////////////////////////\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ ****************************************************************************** Kryten: sir, you must forgive Mr Rimmer, he's suffering from a stress- related nervous disorder Lister: Next time I see him he'll be suffering from a fist- related teeth disorder ****************************************************************************** \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\//////////////////////////////////////////// ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 13:31:33 +0000 (GMT) From: paul meaney To: Britdisc@csz.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Desperately Seeking Kenny... Hi, if anyone is likely to see kenny of Chevron soon, can you tell him to get in touch with me ASAP. it's only ever so slightly *URGENT* I can be reached on: 01865 222 377 (work) 01865 772 903 (home) paul.meaney@imm.ox.ac.uk (e- mail) ta, Paul. //////////////////////////////////\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ ****************************************************************************** Kryten: sir, you must forgive Mr Rimmer, he's suffering from a stress- related nervous disorder Lister: Next time I see him he'll be suffering from a fist- related teeth disorder ****************************************************************************** \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\//////////////////////////////////////////// From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Jan 16 14:58:59 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id OAA29573; Thu, 16 Jan 1997 14:58:54 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id OAA07475; Thu, 16 Jan 1997 14:38:39 GMT Received: from violet.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id OAA07470; Thu, 16 Jan 1997 14:38:27 GMT Received: from admin.warwick.ac.uk by violet.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id OAA03783; Thu, 16 Jan 1997 14:38:16 GMT Received: from SIGMA/MERCURY by admin.warwick.ac.uk (Mercury 1.21); 16 Jan 97 14:37:34 +0000 Received: from MERCURY by SIGMA (Mercury 1.21); 16 Jan 97 14:37:22 +0000 From: "DEREK ROBINS" Organization: University of Warwick, CV4 7AL, UK To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 14:37:18 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Jim Edwards getting married Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.1 (R1a) Message-ID: <6BAE2A536A1@admin.warwick.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk There may be some of you out there who know Jim pretty well but are unaware that he is getting married on Saturday 18th January to Louise. Well now you know! If you wish to pass on any messages, you can send them to me. For those who are new to Ultimate Jim plays for STAN. Del *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*- Derek Robins | | D.J.Robins@admin.warwick.ac.uk Management Accountant | | Tel 01203 523523 x22710 Finance Office | | Fax 01203 524573 University of Warwick | | Room 343 Coventry CV4 7AL | | Senate House *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*- From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Jan 16 17:09:58 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id RAA20896; Thu, 16 Jan 1997 17:09:53 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id RAA11313; Thu, 16 Jan 1997 17:05:07 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id RAA11307; Thu, 16 Jan 1997 17:04:59 GMT Received: from newsgate.dircon.co.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id RAA20271; Thu, 16 Jan 1997 17:04:55 GMT Received: from dmotive.UUCP (dmotive@localhost) by newsgate.dircon.co.uk (8.6.12/8.6.9) with UUCP id QAA29746 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Thu, 16 Jan 1997 16:52:04 GMT Date: 16 Jan 97 16:20:37 +0000 From: Oz Freire Subject: RE>Jim Edwards getting married To: britdisc CC: DEREK ROBINS Message-ID: <970116.162037@designmotive.co.uk> X-Mailer: InterCall 1.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk RE>Jim Edwards getting married 16/1/9= 7 Best wishes to Jim! For those who are new to Ultimate,=20 Jim is also the reason why they are call STAN=20 All the best to Louise too!!!!! Oz=20 ShotGun -------------------------------------- Date: 16/1/97 4:11 pm To: Oz Freire From: DEREK ROBINS There may be some of you out there who know Jim pretty well but are=20 unaware that he is getting married on Saturday 18th January to Louise.=20= Well now you know! If you wish to pass on any messages, you can send=20 them to me. For those who are new to Ultimate Jim plays for STAN. Del *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*- Derek Robins | | D.J.Robins@admin.warwick.ac.uk Management Accountant | | Tel 01203 523523 x22710 Finance Office | | Fax 01203 524573 =20 University of Warwick | | Room 343 =20 Coventry CV4 7AL | | Senate House *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*- From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Jan 16 20:38:42 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id UAA13737; Thu, 16 Jan 1997 20:38:38 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id UAA14917; Thu, 16 Jan 1997 20:37:19 GMT Received: from renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id UAA14912; Thu, 16 Jan 1997 20:37:07 GMT Received: from mull.sms.ed.ac.uk (mull.sms.ed.ac.uk [129.215.141.1]) by renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk (8.6.13/8.6.12) with ESMTP id UAA10378 for ; Thu, 16 Jan 1997 20:37:05 GMT Received: from SMS-MULL/SpoolDir by mull.sms.ed.ac.uk (Mercury 1.21); 16 Jan 97 20:36:31 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by SMS-MULL (Mercury 1.21); 16 Jan 97 20:36:15 +0000 From: "BARRY O'KANE" <9363680@mull.sms.ed.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 20:36:05 +0000 Subject: STUDENT OUTDOORS Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <41422670B7F@mull.sms.ed.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi all, Just a quick reminder to all the student clubs that we need a venue for the 1997 outdoor student champs. The weekend in question is the 26th and 27th of April. Get your bid in now and beat the rush. BARRY From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Jan 17 18:45:34 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id SAA16136; Fri, 17 Jan 1997 18:45:31 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id SAA03473; Fri, 17 Jan 1997 18:40:55 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id SAA03468; Fri, 17 Jan 1997 18:40:47 GMT Received: from arl-img-5.compuserve.com by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id SAA15723; Fri, 17 Jan 1997 18:40:41 GMT Received: by arl-img-5.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id NAA06441; Fri, 17 Jan 1997 13:39:49 -0500 Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 13:34:26 -0500 From: Jim McDonnell <100422.1474@compuserve.com> Subject: Message for Chris Hughes To: Britdisc Message-ID: <199701171334_MC2-F90-D837@compuserve.com> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Apologies for clogging everyone else's in baskets - I don't seem to have your mail address, Chris. Phil asked me to mail you and say that *yes*, Hurricane are definitely coming to Newport, but only got the written details yesterday. Hey - I'm just the message boy around here. See you in Sth Wales, boyo. Jim From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Jan 20 07:50:37 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id HAA00912; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 07:50:33 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id HAA13556; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 07:48:13 GMT Received: from crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id HAA13551; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 07:48:06 GMT Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 07:48:04 GMT From: Mr R C Doswell Message-Id: <5126.199701200748@crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Received: by crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk id HAA05126; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 07:48:04 GMT To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: BUF Events Reminder Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk British Ultimate Federation Disc Events Diary --------------------------------------------- January 1997 ------------ Saturday 25 January 1997 BUF Womens Indoor Nationals (2 days) @ Birmingham Discs Sports Summit (2 days) (Non-Ultimate) @ Aston University, Birmingham February 1997 ------------- Saturday 1 February 1997 Red Co-ed Indoors (2 days) @ Leicester Saturday 8 February 1997 Furious Five II (2 days) (Non-UK event) @ Odense, DK Newport Indoors (2 days) @ Newport Saturday 15 February 1997 BUF Junior Indoor Nationals (2 days) @ Millfield School, Street Saturday 22 February 1997 BUF Student Indoor Finals (2 days) @ Leeds (TBC) March 1997 ---------- Saturday 1 March 1997 National Indoor Regionals (2 days) Saturday 8 March 1997 Warwick Indoors (2 days) @ Coventry Saturday 15 March 1997 Wolves Indoors (2 days) @ Wolverhampton (???) Saturday 22 March 1997 National Indoor Finals (2 days) April 1997 ---------- Saturday 5 April 1997 BUF Tour I (2 days) TBC @ Leeds Saturday 19 April 1997 BUF Tour II : Leicester Outdoors (2 days) @ Victoria Park, Leicester Saturday 26 April 1997 Student Outdoors (2 days) TBC @ TBA : Bids to Barry O'Kane May 1997 -------- Saturday 3 May 1997 BUF National Junior Outdoors (2 days) @ TBC Freezzz Beezzz 5th International Outdoor Ultimate Tournament (2 days) (Non-UK event) @ Brugge, BE Saturday 24 May 1997 BUF Tour III (2 days) TBC @ TBA : Bids to Simon Hill June 1997 --------- Saturday 7 June 1997 Red Co-ed Outdoors (2 days) @ Countesthorpe, Leicester Saturday 21 June 1997 BUF Tour IV : Southampton Outdoors (2 days) @ Southampton July 1997 --------- Sunday 27 July 1997 World Ultimate Club Championships (WUCC'97) (7 days) (Non-UK event) @ Vancouver, CA August 1997 ----------- Saturday 16 August 1997 Ross-on-Wye (2 days) TBC @ Ross-On-Wye! Saturday 23 August 1997 1997 BDGA Championships (2 days) (Non-Ultimate) TBC Sunday 24 August 1997 EFDF European Ultimate Championships (7 days) @ Millfield School, Street, Somerset, UK September 1997 -------------- Thursday 11 September 1997 British Open (4 days) --------------------------------------------------------------- British Ultimate Federation Disc Events Diary http://www.csv.warwick.ac.uk:5201/cgi-bin/diary Ranulf Doswell, ralf@dcs.warwick.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Jan 20 15:06:08 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id PAA05075; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 15:06:01 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id OAA21178; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 14:54:48 GMT Received: from clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id OAA21167; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 14:54:27 GMT From: dmurray@soton.ac.uk Received: from acacia.sucs.soton.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id OAA28385; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 14:54:19 GMT Received: from oak.sucs.soton.ac.uk (oak.sucs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.128.89]) by acacia.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.2/server) with ESMTP id OAA00782 for ; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 14:54:18 GMT Received: (from dmurray@localhost) by oak.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.4/client) id OAA25911 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 14:54:16 GMT Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 14:54:16 GMT Message-Id: <199701201454.OAA25911@oak.sucs.soton.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: charlie X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk anyone got address for charlie or jim who organised 24 hour tournament thanks a lot dave M From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Jan 20 16:49:30 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id QAA23732; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 16:49:24 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id QAA24059; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 16:42:34 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id QAA24048; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 16:42:12 GMT Received: from maila.uscs.susx.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id QAA22407; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 16:41:32 GMT Received: from solx1.central.susx.ac.uk by maila.uscs.susx.ac.uk with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #2) id m0vmMkp-000XEeC; Mon, 20 Jan 97 16:39 GMT Received: by solx1.central.susx.ac.uk (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0vmMiT-0002vvC; Mon, 20 Jan 97 16:37 GMT Message-Id: From: mmup9@central.susx.ac.uk (Alex Bowers) Subject: SE student regionals To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 16:37:00 +0000 (GMT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk OW! from Oxford hosted the SE student qualifiers this weekend, the results as I remember them were: 1 - Mohawks 1 2 - OW! 3 - Strange Blue 4 - Cranfield 5 - Gooey Kaplooey 6 - Chaos 7 - Mohawks 2 8 - OW!! 9 - Babblers Top 4 qualify, but Gooey go through because Strange Blue were short on players and so had to field a couple of non-students in order to raise a team. Thanks to OW for organising a tournament at short notice, and having things run smoothly even though a few teams cancelled their entry very late. Spirit was shared between Strange Blue and Mohawks 2 (playing ironman). Saturdays play saw Mohawks come top of their pool, after a tight game with Gooey which they won 8-7. In the other pool, OW! and Strange Blue defeated all opposition to set up a crunch game against eachother, which Strange Blue won 10-3. The shock of the day was Cranfield beating Gooey in the crossover pool, which knocked Gooey out of a semi-final spot. Sunday morning began with a tense game between Mohawks and OW!, which OW! began fiercely, taking a 2-1 lead until the Mohawks gathered themselves and took the game, 9-5. The first semi-final pitted OW! against the undefeated Strange Blue, with OW! determined to overturn the previous days defeat. An epic first point lasting 10 minutes or so eventually finished with OW! breaking the Cambridge zone to take the lead, which they never gave up winning 4-2 in a game dominated by defence. Mohawks shut-out Cranfield in the other semi to set up a rematch with the hosts OW! in the final. I don't remember much of this game, the atmosphere was so electric, I know it was 5-5 and then 7-7, when a crucial point block and layout D from the Mohawks saw them take a 9-7 lead which OW! couldn't quite come back from. Final score 9-8. A great tournament, ending in a great final. See you in Leeds. Alex Bowers MOHAWKS From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Jan 20 17:06:03 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id RAA26855; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 17:05:55 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id QAA24389; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 16:57:23 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id QAA24382; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 16:57:16 GMT Received: from dryctnath.mmu.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id QAA25084; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 16:57:12 GMT Received: from ghondr.mmu.ac.uk by dryctnath.mmu.ac.uk with internet SMTP with ESMTP; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 16:56:26 +0000 Received: from MMU-HSS-GHONDR/SpoolDir by ghondr.mmu.ac.uk (Mercury 1.21); 20 Jan 97 16:58:01 +0100 Received: from SpoolDir by MMU-HSS-GHONDR (Mercury 1.30); 20 Jan 97 16:56:56 +0100 From: Wayne Ziants <8940100X@mmu.ac.uk> Organization: Manchester Metropolitan University To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 16:56:54 +0100 Subject: To the Bradford Music Man Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Sorry for this general posting, this is a trifling matter in Britdisc terms, but this is the only way I could think of... At the Bradford tourney 10 days ago I lent a Dream Warriors cassette to the guy who was in charge of the sound system. I picked up the box on the Sunday, but have now discovered the original DW tape has escaped, and been replaced with a TDK tape of that rave dance type stuff that all you youngsters think is called 'music'. All it says on it is 'Jeremy...' on one side and 'Healy' on the other. Anyone prepared to do a swap, or put me in touch with someone who has my tape...? Well, it was worth a try. Ta for your time, HF&S Wayne x Fingers 6 ********************************************************************** Wayne Ziants 3rd Year BA(Hons) Information & Library Management Manchester Metropolitan University E-mail: 8940100x@mmu.ac.uk Home tel: 0161 718 3052 Coffee: Milk, 2 sugars & a spoon "Have Fun & Stuff!" ********************************************************************** From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Jan 20 17:10:09 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id RAA27566; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 17:10:03 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id RAA24524; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 17:03:30 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id RAA24513; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 17:02:57 GMT Received: from oxmail4.ox.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id RAA26308; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 17:02:54 GMT Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk by oxmail4 with SMTP (PP) with ESMTP; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 17:01:45 +0000 Received: (from immd0001@localhost) by ermine.ox.ac.uk (1.1/8.8.3) id RAA20810; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 17:02:44 GMT Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 17:02:44 +0000 (GMT) From: paul meaney To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk cc: eurodisc@ira.uka.de Subject: 1997 National Indoor Qualifiers Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi Y'all, right. here as follows is the official locations for the 1997 National Indoor Qualifiers: All are on the 1/2 March. Northern Qualifiers: Venue: Salford Contact: Tim Andrews Zebedees TEL: 0161 929 6967 Midlands Qualifiers venue: Cheltenham Contact: Merrick Cardew Blue Arse Flies TEL: 01386 830 136 South Eastern Qualifiers venue: Farnborough Contact: Kevin Robinson Small Furry Animals TEL: 01252 518 845 (home) 01252 393 860 (work) South Western Qualifiers Venue: Plymouth Contact: Picnic in the Sky (I can't remember who the contact is - how crap can you get!) The number of teams who qualify from each region is still to be determined and will be based on the results of previous national championships as well as an analysis of the number and quantity of clubs and teams who compete per region. A final decision will be passed directly to each TD prior to the event as to how many teams qualify from your region. You should be informed at the captains meeting (so you all better be there, hadn't you!) The Finals will be held at Meadowbank Sports Stadium in Edinburgh on 21/22 March. Any team who qualifies and then cannot make the Finals will have ONE WEEK to notify either Myself or the NAtionals TD Barry O'Kane. Failure to notify either myself or the TD of non- attendance of a qualifying team will mean automatic disqulaification from the 1998 indoor championships for yourself or your team. If any team cannot attend the finals then their place will be offered to the next highest finishing team. I realise that these nationals sort of cover the country, from edinburgh to Plymouth. I also realise that it is a hell of a long way for people to travel for the finals. I also realise that there may be some moaning about this. My wise, benevolent, diplomatic and astonishingly tactful response to any gripes is: Tough Bloody Titty!! If you are that bothered about where the finals are you should have got off your lazy arses and worked a bit harder to put in a bid of your own when I asked for them nearly three months ago. You snooze, YOU LOSE!!!!! I am sure that the Sneeekys will put on a hell of a tournament. In fairness to those who make trips of that distance as a matter of course, an effort should be made to attend our Indoor Finals where possible. You should be getting details from your tournament directors in the post pretty soon now along with a letter from yours truly. See youse all in Sconnie Botland..... Paul. //////////////////////////////////\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ ****************************************************************************** Kryten: sir, you must forgive Mr Rimmer, he's suffering from a stress- related nervous disorder Lister: Next time I see him he'll be suffering from a fist- related teeth disorder ****************************************************************************** \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\//////////////////////////////////////////// From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Jan 20 17:27:16 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id RAA00437; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 17:27:10 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id RAA24980; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 17:23:51 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id RAA24973; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 17:23:40 GMT Received: from dns0.curved-logic.com by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id RAA29729; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 17:23:27 GMT Received: from pc15.curved-logic.com by dns0.curved-logic.com id aa02453; 20 Jan 97 18:28 GMT Received: by pc15.curved-logic.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BC06F6.3C0037E0@pc15.curved-logic.com>; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 17:20:29 -0000 Message-ID: <01BC06F6.3C0037E0@pc15.curved-logic.com> From: Kevin Lowe To: "'Britdisc'" Subject: Contact for TD of South West Indoors Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 17:20:28 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi, Contact: Darren Treharne Picnic in the Sky Tel: 01752-224239 0410-067252 (Mobile) Kevin. -- | E-mail Kev@Curved-logic.com Phone (+44)1244-382371 | Q. Which is the greater problem in the world today, Ignorance or Apathy? | A. I don't know, and I really don't care! From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Jan 20 17:38:55 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id RAA02069; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 17:38:50 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id RAA25306; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 17:35:07 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id RAA25301; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 17:34:55 GMT Received: from amsta.leeds.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id RAA01572; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 17:34:53 GMT Received: from newton.leeds.amsta (newton.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.64]) by amsta.leeds.ac.uk (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id RAA11474 for ; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 17:36:42 GMT Received: by newton.leeds.amsta (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id RAA01088; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 17:37:34 GMT Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 17:37:34 GMT From: amtsjh@amsta.leeds.ac.uk (S J Hill) Message-Id: <199701201737.RAA01088@newton.leeds.amsta> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: National Indoors X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi Can I be the first to congratulate and thank Paul on getting the Indoor Nationals sorted. To get 4 tourneys on one w/e spread out around the coutnry + find another, top flight venue for finals a couple of weeks later is NOT EASY. I'm sure that Scott amongst others will agree with that. Two things. 1. The finals are actually the 22/23 March (not the 21/22) - although that would be obvious if you looked at a calendar. 2. Just to add to Paul's tactful comments about going to Edinburgh. This is an extremely good venue. And indeed was the best on offer when all things are taken into account, eg accomodation. We are trying to ensure that next year's event happens at the National Indoor Arena in Birmingham, where there is EVEN MORE SPACE, and in the middle of the country too! But for this year we were just too late. (That was when I approached them in early September. Which incidentally was also around the first time I asked to hear from people interested in running the finals.) 3. Having been to many tourneys in Edinburgh with the Sneeeky's can I just remind you that their hospitality is always second to none and that all the pubs stay open longer than down here, which is obviously emminently sensible. Cheers Si (a mercifully short message I'm sure you'll agree) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Jan 20 23:10:18 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id XAA01412; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 23:10:12 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id XAA00247; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 23:06:59 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id XAA00231; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 23:06:40 GMT Received: from arl-img-3.compuserve.com by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id XAA01221; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 23:06:29 GMT Received: by arl-img-3.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id SAA05710; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 18:05:58 -0500 Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 18:05:35 -0500 From: Aike Arnheim <106400.277@compuserve.com> Subject: Women's National To: BritDisc Message-ID: <199701201806_MC2-FA4-5B63@compuserve.com> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Desparately seeking Aston (well the sport's halls and how to get there). Being the orgainise of the Funky Nuns and having not receieved any info on the tournement if anyone has any weekend especially a map could they please fax it to me asap. 0171 224 1923. I have been advised that the tounrement starts at 10.00 (thanks Nads) who has also offered to put the Nuns up for the weekend. I have also been advised that there is information on the "net" or email, if someone has seen something I haven't/couldn't find. Plaese could you forward it to me at this compuserve address or the Funky Nun address. Please help lost of Handsworth (I hope not) Vanessa From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Jan 21 11:35:03 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA19774; Tue, 21 Jan 1997 11:34:56 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id LAA09705; Tue, 21 Jan 1997 11:24:48 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA09696; Tue, 21 Jan 1997 11:24:37 GMT Received: from leofric.coventry.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA18114; Tue, 21 Jan 1997 11:24:34 GMT Received: (from shipley@localhost) by leofric.coventry.ac.uk (8.8.4/8.6.11) id LAA06652; Tue, 21 Jan 1997 11:24:33 GMT Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 11:24:33 +0000 (GMT) From: STEPHEN DAVID EDWARD SHIPLEY X-Sender: shipley@leofric To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: UTI Indoors Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk To whom it may concern, Could any info intended for UTI concerning indoor tournaments be sent to the address below. Cheers, Steve. Steve Shipley 152 Earlsdon Avenue North, Coventry CV5 6FZ (01203) 715457 shipley@coventry.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Jan 21 15:29:22 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id PAA27943; Tue, 21 Jan 1997 15:29:15 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id PAA14679; Tue, 21 Jan 1997 15:23:15 GMT Received: from calisto.ccc.cranfield.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id PAA14674; Tue, 21 Jan 1997 15:23:05 GMT Received: from CAPC99.PC.CRANFIELD.AC.UK by calisto with SMTP (PP); Tue, 21 Jan 1997 15:21:31 +0000 Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 15:21:48 GMT From: Rajkumar Pant Subject: Southeast Student Indoor Regionals.... To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Message-ID: Priority: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk First off, thanks to Robin, Ollie, and Alexis for hosting the tournament, when no one else in the region would. Thanks to you all, everyone in the region got a fair shot at Nationals. Second off, I would like to comment on the play of my team, since the only thing I have read so far really only mentioned a shut out. Our first game of the tournament, and the first tournament for the majority of my team was against Strange Blue. We lost this game 6 to 5, tied at time. We won our second game, which wasn't close. Our Third game was against finalist Ow! Though the final score was 7-3 or 7-4, all involved thought this was a close game while we were playing it. We won our fourth game again by enough of a margin to not call the game close. Our fifth game was the highlight of the tournament for us. We played a VERY talented Gooey Kaplooey squad. We barely won this game something like 6 to 4. It should be stated that the combined experience of my team was 7 years across 12 players on the roster, many sicker than myself and couldn't play (excluding myself). We lost two players the first day (out of a total of 8), and had to bring in a couple more players the following day who had not played in a tournament before. Alas, it was too difficult to try and integrate them into our team on given the level of competition on the second day, with us losing badly in all 3 of our games on Sunday. The point I'm trying to make is that a first year team made it to Student Indoor Nationals in the UK. There was no team when I got here, and now there is a UK Student National calber team here. We may not win a game at Nationals, but over the last 3 months here, we have introduced the sport to over 30 new students, where some of the long established teams do well to get in 3 or 4 new students. This type of performance should be more commended than simply written off as a team that got through that didn't really deserve it. My team worked hard to get where they are, and while we did get shut out by Mohawks, we had many close games leading up to that game. The Mohawks/OW! game was a wonderful game to watch. Both teams will be hard to beat at Nationals. Spirit in general was excellent, and it was a pleasure to be able to compete. Aaron Cranfield Alien Nation....... From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Jan 21 16:41:21 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id QAA10267; Tue, 21 Jan 1997 16:41:14 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id QAA16568; Tue, 21 Jan 1997 16:38:21 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id QAA16547; Tue, 21 Jan 1997 16:37:55 GMT Received: from mail2.lancs.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id QAA09597; Tue, 21 Jan 1997 16:37:47 GMT Received: from ufs1.lancs.ac.uk (actually host ufs1-atm.lancs.ac.uk) by mail2.lancs.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Tue, 21 Jan 1997 16:25:32 +0000 Received: from [148.88.15.108] (music-mac8.lancs.ac.uk [148.88.15.108]) by ufs1.lancs.ac.uk (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA13228 for ; Tue, 21 Jan 1997 16:25:21 GMT X-Sender: boynton@pop.lancs.ac.uk Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 16:31:43 +0000 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: N.Boynton@lancaster.ac.uk (Neil Boynton) Subject: New contact for Reservoir Fish (Lancaster) Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk The new contact for Reservoir Fish (Lancaster University Ultimate Team) is: Alex Beaumont Frisbee Club Athletic Union Lancaster University LA1 4YW email: A.Beaumont@lancaster.ac.uk Tel. 01524 383497 From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Jan 21 17:38:28 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id RAA19143; Tue, 21 Jan 1997 17:38:17 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id RAA18386; Tue, 21 Jan 1997 17:33:47 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id RAA18375; Tue, 21 Jan 1997 17:33:31 GMT Received: from polaris.kbw.co.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id RAA18380; Tue, 21 Jan 1997 17:33:27 GMT Received: from rukbat.kbw.co.uk (rukbat.kbw.co.uk [194.70.193.31]) by polaris.kbw.co.uk (NTMail 3.02.10) with ESMTP id ma003990 for ; Tue, 21 Jan 1997 17:32:08 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970121173717.00949bc0@mail> X-Sender: roger@mail X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 17:37:18 +0000 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: Roger Thomson Subject: WhoTI World tour report Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Just in case any of you are interested in the UTI world tour, you'll be glad to see that they're having a varied, cultural and politically correct trip: >The trip so far- >Thailand- booze, &^*$s, party, birds, sand, sun >Malaysia- booze, &^*$s, party, birds, sand, sun >Australiabooze, &^*$s, party, birds, sand, sun > > You must be bored(and cold) unlucky, maybe we'll go to the beach tomorrow? > Keep practicing(you'll need it) > > Norm and Rik. > From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Jan 22 13:46:57 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id NAA00166; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 13:46:50 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id NAA08802; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 13:39:32 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id NAA08796; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 13:39:15 GMT Received: from vulcan by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id NAA28811; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 13:39:13 GMT Received: from hawk.le.ac.uk by vulcan with SMTP (PP); Wed, 22 Jan 1997 13:16:39 +0000 Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 13:15:54 +0000 (GMT) From: Scott X-Sender: iws1@hawk To: britdisc Subject: Red Co-ed Final Entry Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk As a testament to the growth of Coed tournaments in Britain we have managed to attract 24 coed and 6 Junior teams along to the Red Co-ed/Juniors on 1/2 Feb in the Granby Halls. It has also sparked interest from the media with coverage from BBC Leicester Radio and Cable 7 TV (Who are making an hour long programme covering the Coed and Leicester Outdoors - Tour II) Teams attending are; 1.Playthings 2.Uriel 3.Oxford 4.Stanley Peaks 5.Mud Culture 6.Scooby Doo 7.Shaggy 8.Chevron AF 9.Assorted Nuts 10.Headrush 11.Sharks 12.incREDible 13.incREDulous 14.Jesters I 15.Jesters II 16.Hint of Lime (coed) 17.Angels I 18.Angels II 19.SFA 20.Sneeeky's 21.Strange Blue 22.Jedi Children 23.BGA (coed/juniors mix) 24.Hint of Lime (Juniors) 25.Gooey Kaplooie (Juniors) 26.NADS (Juniors) 27.Discult (Juniors) 28.Hie Pie (Juniors) 29.Vicious Circle (Juniors) 30.?SuperFly? - TBC Should be a good 'un. Directions and details of the (limited) accommodation will be put in the post by the end of the week for those who have entered. Scott /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ SCOTT: Ian Scotland Tel: 0116 2525824 Fax: 0116 2523154 E-mail: iws1@le.ac.uk http://wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk/buf/ /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Jan 23 17:44:22 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id RAA23621; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 17:44:17 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id RAA09388; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 17:38:34 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id RAA09379; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 17:38:19 GMT From: Wayne_Retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk Received: from sys4.cambridge.uk.psi.net by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id RAA22751; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 17:38:16 GMT Received: from rwatson.UUCP by sys4.cambridge.uk.psi.net (8.7.5/SMI-5.5-UKPSINet) id QAA29850; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 16:54:47 GMT Received: from cc:Mail by rwatson.watsonwyatt.co.uk id AA854066332 Thu, 23 Jan 97 16:38:52 Date: Thu, 23 Jan 97 16:38:52 Encoding: 361 Text Message-Id: <9700238540.AA854066332@rwatson.watsonwyatt.co.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Newport Entrants Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hello boys and girls, The "all you need to know" information for Newport Indoor tournament went in the post yesterday to the contacts given for the tournament. If you didn't supply us with a contact name, it's gone to the contact address in the BUF contact list... Any questions, ask them of Druid@phidelta.demon.co.uk Wayne Retter Fluid Druids From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Jan 24 10:43:09 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id KAA01597; Fri, 24 Jan 1997 10:43:04 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id KAA24139; Fri, 24 Jan 1997 10:39:51 GMT Received: from clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id KAA24132; Fri, 24 Jan 1997 10:39:33 GMT From: Wayne_Retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk Received: from sys4.cambridge.uk.psi.net by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id KAA19713; Fri, 24 Jan 1997 10:39:10 GMT Received: from rwatson.UUCP by sys4.cambridge.uk.psi.net (8.7.5/SMI-5.5-UKPSINet) id JAA23243; Fri, 24 Jan 1997 09:19:38 GMT Received: from cc:Mail by rwatson.watsonwyatt.co.uk id AA854125989 Fri, 24 Jan 97 09:13:09 Date: Fri, 24 Jan 97 09:13:09 Encoding: 769 Text Message-Id: <9700248541.AA854125989@rwatson.watsonwyatt.co.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Ultimate frisbee on Channel 4 {2} Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk All, I've checked the paper. Ultimate times are 06.20 to 07.15! Wayne Retter Fluid Druids ______________________________ Forward Header __________________________________ Subject: Ultimate frisbee on Channel 4 Author: Neil Travers at ~Internet Date: 23/01/97 14:53 Just surfing http://www.eurotv.com for the Superbowl times when I noticed this entry for Ultimate Frisbee. *NOTE* Times are in CET, I think (i.e take 1 hour off for UK times). ---- --- Channel 4 Sunday 26 January 97 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 07:20 Ultimate Frisbee 23:40 Super Bowl Neil Travers From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Jan 24 11:04:57 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA05085; Fri, 24 Jan 1997 11:04:52 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id KAA24283; Fri, 24 Jan 1997 10:51:27 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id KAA24278; Fri, 24 Jan 1997 10:51:06 GMT Received: from venus.le.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id KAA02724; Fri, 24 Jan 1997 10:51:01 GMT Received: from hawk.le.ac.uk by venus.le.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Fri, 24 Jan 1997 10:58:06 +0000 Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 10:47:42 +0000 (GMT) From: Scott X-Sender: iws1@hawk To: britdisc Subject: Web Pages Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk BDers, CALL FOR WEBSITE GROUP MEMBERS Many of you may have browsed the BUF's web pages at Cambridge which have been kindly hosted by David MacKay for the last couple of years. The site has remained fairly stable for the last year and has been increasingly hit from within the UK (50%) but also from Europe and America. The site has also won awards most recently from looksmart as editors choice (looksmart being a search engine run by Readers Digest..... Oh nooooo!) But times are a'changin' As some of you may know who are involved in the industry, university servers are bound by rules laid down by JANET (Joint Academic NETwork) which forbid the use of advertising/sponsorship in pages amongst other things. There is also limited functionality on the Cambridge server so pages are all maintained manually. So the site will be moving to a commercial server (on which the BUF has been given space for free). This will allow us to do whatever we so wish. So, the BUF needs people who have suggestions for the content of the website, anyone who can help in finding sponsors/advertisers for the site, and anyone who can help in building/structuring the site. If you are interested then please let me know by email. (Hopefully one of the first things I will do is to set up a web based discussion forum for this group) That's it for now..... Scott /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ SCOTT: Ian Scotland Tel: 0116 2525824 Fax: 0116 2523154 E-mail: iws1@le.ac.uk http://wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk/buf/ /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Jan 24 13:49:28 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id NAA29293; Fri, 24 Jan 1997 13:49:20 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id NAA26972; Fri, 24 Jan 1997 13:26:44 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id NAA26967; Fri, 24 Jan 1997 13:26:28 GMT From: Wayne_Retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk Received: from sys4.cambridge.uk.psi.net by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id NAA26389; Fri, 24 Jan 1997 13:26:15 GMT Received: from rwatson.UUCP by sys4.cambridge.uk.psi.net (8.7.5/SMI-5.5-UKPSINet) id NAA25002; Fri, 24 Jan 1997 13:04:03 GMT Received: from cc:Mail by rwatson.watsonwyatt.co.uk id AA854139223 Fri, 24 Jan 97 12:53:43 Date: Fri, 24 Jan 97 12:53:43 Encoding: 315 Text Message-Id: <9700248541.AA854139223@rwatson.watsonwyatt.co.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Re[2]: Ultimate frisbee on Channel 4 {2} Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk For all those who appear unable to read, or check for themselves: 06.20 SUNDAY morning. ...BEFORE the Superbowl Wayne ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Ultimate frisbee on Channel 4 {2} is that 6.20 am Sunday? or 6.20am MOnday...? From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Jan 27 07:51:33 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id HAA29114; Mon, 27 Jan 1997 07:51:29 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id HAA14636; Mon, 27 Jan 1997 07:48:14 GMT Received: from crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id HAA14631; Mon, 27 Jan 1997 07:48:07 GMT Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 07:48:04 GMT From: Mr R C Doswell Message-Id: <1071.199701270748@crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Received: by crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk id HAA01071; Mon, 27 Jan 1997 07:48:04 GMT To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: BUF Events Reminder Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk British Ultimate Federation Disc Events Diary --------------------------------------------- February 1997 ------------- Saturday 1 February 1997 Red Co-ed Indoors (2 days) @ Leicester Saturday 8 February 1997 Furious Five II (2 days) (Non-UK event) @ Odense, DK Newport Indoors (2 days) @ Newport Saturday 15 February 1997 BUF Junior Indoor Nationals (2 days) @ Millfield School, Street Saturday 22 February 1997 BUF Student Indoor Finals (2 days) @ Leeds (TBC) Frostbreaker Disc Golf Tournament (2 days) @ Whitcombe Farm, Beaminster, Dorset Frostbreaker Disc Golf Tournament (2 days) (Non-Ultimate) @ Whitcombe Farm, Beaminster, Dorset March 1997 ---------- Saturday 1 March 1997 National Indoor Regionals (2 days) Saturday 8 March 1997 Warwick Indoors (2 days) @ Coventry Women's Tournament (2 days) @ Bradford Saturday 15 March 1997 Wolves Indoors (2 days) @ Wolverhampton (???) Saturday 22 March 1997 National Indoor Finals (2 days) @ Edinburgh April 1997 ---------- Saturday 5 April 1997 BUF Tour I (2 days) TBC @ Leeds Saturday 19 April 1997 BUF Tour II : Leicester Outdoors (2 days) @ Victoria Park, Leicester Saturday 26 April 1997 Student Outdoors (2 days) TBC @ TBA : Bids to Barry O'Kane May 1997 -------- Saturday 3 May 1997 BUF National Junior Outdoors (2 days) @ TBC Freezzz Beezzz 5th International Outdoor Ultimate Tournament (2 days) (Non-UK event) @ Brugge, BE Saturday 24 May 1997 BUF Tour III (2 days) TBC @ TBA : Bids to Simon Hill June 1997 --------- Saturday 7 June 1997 Red Co-ed Outdoors (2 days) @ Countesthorpe, Leicester Saturday 21 June 1997 BUF Tour IV : Southampton Outdoors (2 days) @ Southampton July 1997 --------- Friday 11 July 1997 Warwick Bears 21st Reunion (3 days) TBC @ University of Warwick Sunday 27 July 1997 World Ultimate Club Championships (WUCC'97) (7 days) (Non-UK event) @ Vancouver, CA August 1997 ----------- Saturday 16 August 1997 Ross-on-Wye (2 days) TBC @ Ross-On-Wye! Saturday 23 August 1997 1997 BDGA Championships (2 days) (Non-Ultimate) TBC Sunday 24 August 1997 EFDF European Ultimate Championships (7 days) @ Millfield School, Street, Somerset, UK September 1997 -------------- Thursday 11 September 1997 British Open (4 days) --------------------------------------------------------------- British Ultimate Federation Disc Events Diary http://www.csv.warwick.ac.uk:5201/cgi-bin/diary Ranulf Doswell, ralf@dcs.warwick.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Jan 27 11:44:50 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA27611; Mon, 27 Jan 1997 11:44:46 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id LAA18743; Mon, 27 Jan 1997 11:42:16 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA18725; Mon, 27 Jan 1997 11:41:51 GMT Received: from amsta.leeds.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA27116; Mon, 27 Jan 1997 11:41:49 GMT Received: from newton.leeds.amsta (newton.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.64]) by amsta.leeds.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA00592 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 1997 11:43:39 GMT Received: by newton.leeds.amsta (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA16032; Mon, 27 Jan 1997 11:44:42 GMT Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 11:44:42 GMT From: amtsjh@amsta.leeds.ac.uk (S J Hill) Message-Id: <199701271144.LAA16032@newton.leeds.amsta> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: BUF ULTIM-8 TOUR. X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi After lots of to-ing and fro-ing I think we have this booked up and ready to go! Below are the venues and dates. Apologies to people who have been trying to be involved as TDs but haven't been included this time around. The idea is that the venues (+some dates) are NOT the same each year - so there is an opportunity to bid to host an event. If you are interested in this, get in touch with me over the next couple of months (yes - next couple of months, THIS YEAR, to be involved NEXT year.) The details of EXACTLY how this is going to run are still being finalised - although most of them are nearly there. The important information is as follows: (the reasons for doing all this have been described before I think - this is just the INFO that you will need to start thinking about to have your team ready. I will try to get as much info as poss into the upcoming Ultimatum Update.) FORMAT ------ The general format has already been descirbed in last issue of ultimatum. Something new is that RESULTS FROM THE TOUR WILL BE USED IN CALCULATING WHICH TEAMS QUALIFY FOR NATIONALS. NATIONALS WILL BE AT THE END OF SEPTEMBER. THERE WILL BE 2 DIVISION OF 8 TEAMS + (hopefully) A PARALLEL TOURNAMENT AT THE SAME VENUE FOR PEOPLE WHO WANT TO BE THERE BUT DIDN'T QUALIFY. Exact details of how this will work will be available soon. We are taking steps to ensure that everyone has a fair go at qualifying (obviously). REGIONAL CHAMPIONSHIPS WILL CONTINUE, (around the end of October) - but will run as tournaments in their own right, and be used to help develpment of ultimate at regional level. Teams that qualify for Nationals, will be "required" to attend the subsequent regionals championships to ensure that the tournaments continue to be well-supported. ROSTERS ------- There will be some sort of roster-system running over the tour tournaments: ie, the idea is that each player can only play for ONE team over the 5 tourneys. (Obviously there will be instances when players are able to change teams, but they won't include "my team didn't get in"/"couldn't come", etc.) You will want to know how this will effect Nationals. This is an important question, and we're still talking about it - so as to be sure of getting it right. DATES AND VENUES (and your TDs) ---------------- 5/6 April : Hitchin (LayoutDreams) 19/20 April : Leicester (Red & Jesters) 31 May/1 June : Swindon (LayoutDreams) 21/22 June : Southampton (Skunks) 5/6 July : Exeter (Kev Lowe + usual Exeter hosts) These are all potentially BIG venues. That is the idea. We are expecting at least 8 pitches at all of them. (Some may have more.) WHAT DO YOU DO? --------------- For the moment, nothing much, (apart from passing on the above info to your team). More information will arrive on your team doorstep in about a month or so. Don't bother trying to book your place with the TDs above, because you won't be able to. I hope this meets with general approval. So far, in talking to lots of people, I have received a lot of positive feedback about these plans. At the risk of repeating myself, there is a lot of thought going in to this to make sure that it benefits ALL players and teams, at ALL levels of the game. Cheers Si (Director of Competitions) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Jan 27 23:32:59 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id XAA04632; Mon, 27 Jan 1997 23:32:55 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id XAA06357; Mon, 27 Jan 1997 23:29:41 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id XAA06351; Mon, 27 Jan 1997 23:29:34 GMT Received: from phidelta.demon.co.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id XAA04427; Mon, 27 Jan 1997 23:29:25 GMT Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 23:11:03 GMT From: druid@phidelta.demon.co.uk (Fluid Druids Ultimate Team) Reply-To: druid@phidelta.demon.co.uk Message-Id: <4425@phidelta.demon.co.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Newport Entrants (Revised) X-Name: Wayne Retter, Treasurer X-Team: Fluid Druids - theultimatefrisbeeteam X-WWW: http://www.dreamer.demon.co.uk/druids.htm X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Lines: 39 Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk All, As a result of a combination of a break-in, an administrative error and a rapidly expanding phone bill, the list of successful Newport Entrants have been revised as follows: (in no particular order) Druids Old Druids Skunks Mr Men Funky Nuns Small Furry Animals Tribal Desire Lurkers Hurricaine Playthings Zebedees Mohawks UTI Blue Arse Flies Sharks Slow White... Any players from other teams should try to secure any spaces (difficult) with one of the above teams rather than just turning up and hoping to play (unlikely) Info is in the post (I got my copy Monday am). Captains Meeting and SEEDING is at 9.00am (latest) games start at 9.20am or earlier, anybody could be on first game! BE THERE! Wayne Retter Fluid Druids ...................................... : FLUID DRUIDS : : theultimatefrisbeeteam : : Druid@phidelta.demon.co.uk : : http://www.dreamer.demon.co.uk/ : :....................................: From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Jan 28 12:24:25 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id MAA02637; Tue, 28 Jan 1997 12:24:18 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id MAA16674; Tue, 28 Jan 1997 12:18:45 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id MAA16665; Tue, 28 Jan 1997 12:18:34 GMT From: Wayne_Retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk Received: from sys4.cambridge.uk.psi.net by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id MAA01707; Tue, 28 Jan 1997 12:18:31 GMT Received: from rwatson.UUCP by sys4.cambridge.uk.psi.net (8.7.5/SMI-5.5-UKPSINet) id LAA22950; Tue, 28 Jan 1997 11:49:50 GMT Received: from cc:Mail by rwatson.watsonwyatt.co.uk id AA854480582 Tue, 28 Jan 97 11:43:02 Date: Tue, 28 Jan 97 11:43:02 Encoding: 324 Text Message-Id: <9700288544.AA854480582@rwatson.watsonwyatt.co.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Ultimate on C4 (Sunday 26/01) Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk For those of you who didn't stay up to watch, or set their videos, the Ultimate on Channel 4 was a repeat of the programme they made about the 1994 WUGC at Colchester. Wayne Retter Fluid Druid with a VCR ---------------------------- Watson Wyatt Partners Actuaries and Consultants http://www.watsonwyatt.com/ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Jan 29 21:32:58 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id VAA14724; Wed, 29 Jan 1997 21:32:51 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id VAA24651; Wed, 29 Jan 1997 21:29:36 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id VAA24632; Wed, 29 Jan 1997 21:29:10 GMT Received: from dub-img-3.compuserve.com by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id VAA14426; Wed, 29 Jan 1997 21:29:03 GMT Received: by dub-img-3.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id QAA28476; Wed, 29 Jan 1997 16:28:32 -0500 Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 16:28:17 -0500 From: Jim McDonnell <100422.1474@compuserve.com> Subject: Calling all charity participants... To: Britdisc Message-ID: <199701291628_MC2-106D-90A2@compuserve.com> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk WE WANT YOUR CASH! Come on, it's been months since the tourney, and we've only got about a third of the sponsor money. You know who you are - think of the sick children and be shamed by your financial tardiness. Charlie or I will be at Leicester this weekend, and Newport the following weekend, so COUGH UP! Bullyingly yours - Jim and Charlie From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Jan 30 10:10:45 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id KAA00709; Thu, 30 Jan 1997 10:10:36 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id KAA06561; Thu, 30 Jan 1997 10:07:27 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id KAA06554; Thu, 30 Jan 1997 10:06:49 GMT Received: from amsta.leeds.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id KAA29980; Thu, 30 Jan 1997 10:06:47 GMT Received: from newton.leeds.amsta (newton.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.64]) by amsta.leeds.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA28855 for ; Thu, 30 Jan 1997 10:08:37 GMT Received: by newton.leeds.amsta (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA23326; Thu, 30 Jan 1997 10:09:44 GMT Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 10:09:44 GMT From: amtsjh@amsta.leeds.ac.uk (S J Hill) Message-Id: <199701301009.KAA23326@newton.leeds.amsta> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: GB OPEN TEAM ANNOUNCEMENT X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi Simon Moore asked me to pass this meesage on to BritDisc. Pass it on to anyone you think it might be relevant to...(sorry about my grammar there). First GB OPEN TEAM Training Session : Sun 16th Feb. in "the Oxford area". This is training for BOTH EUC97 ***AND WORLDS 98***. ie - everyone who wants to be involved in GB over up to Worlds has to go. 1. The rest of the training sessions for the season are already set, and are in the diary. (Diary Reminder on Monday should have them all in.) 2. This is NOT an OPEN session. Simon wants to know who is going. (Hence he hasn't said WHERE it will be.) 3. I guess he wants "regulars" to ring him to get the details. 4. If you DON'T KNOW if you are included/invited - or if you THINK YOU SHOULD BE - etc, then SPEAK TO SIMON. I think thats about all he asked me to say. Si recently bought a computer - and will soon be joining us in email-land - but I don't think he's got it working yet! Cheers Si (Si Hill that is) ps - If you have any questions about all this - don't ask me: I know nothing. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Jan 30 10:49:43 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id KAA06577; Thu, 30 Jan 1997 10:49:20 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id KAA07555; Thu, 30 Jan 1997 10:47:52 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id KAA07550; Thu, 30 Jan 1997 10:47:45 GMT Received: from arl-img-7.compuserve.com by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id KAA06205; Thu, 30 Jan 1997 10:47:42 GMT Received: by arl-img-7.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id FAA01445; Thu, 30 Jan 1997 05:47:11 -0500 Date: 30 Jan 97 05:44:07 EST From: Stuart Clark <101336.3664@compuserve.com> To: Britdisc Subject: Women wanted (No...it's not like that!) Message-ID: <970130104406_101336.3664_GHW37-1@CompuServe.COM> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Dear all, We've had a bit of a disaster with our plans for the Red Co-ed this weekend. Our supposed four women have suddenly dropped to two and I don't think the other two would be all that interested in playing iron man all weekend (I might be wrong but I doubt it). So this is a request for any women out there who are interested in playing this weekend and who haven't yet got a team (or are already in a team with plenty of women). Basically, our team looks very much like a Village People team with a couple of friends thrown in for good measure. All we're looking for is a couple of people who would like to play. Those of you who know us will know what we're like so requirements for applicants for these two positions are: (1) A crazy sense of humour (of paramount importance) (2) An ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory Ability is less important. If I get inundadated with offers (Fat chance!!) then obviously I'll have to be choosy since we only need two people, but I'll reply to everyone and let you know what the deal is. Cheers then Stu. VILLAGE PEOPLE and friends, playing under the moniker "Assorted Nuts" From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Jan 31 09:58:03 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id JAA28820; Fri, 31 Jan 1997 09:57:58 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id JAA04897; Fri, 31 Jan 1997 09:53:26 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id JAA04890; Fri, 31 Jan 1997 09:53:18 GMT Received: from venus.le.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id JAA28274; Fri, 31 Jan 1997 09:53:17 GMT Received: from hawk.le.ac.uk by venus.le.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Fri, 31 Jan 1997 10:00:36 +0000 Date: Fri, 31 Jan 1997 09:48:42 +0000 (GMT) From: Scott X-Sender: iws1@hawk To: britdisc Subject: Re: Women wanted (No...it's not like that!) In-Reply-To: <970130104406_101336.3664_GHW37-1@CompuServe.COM> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk On 30 Jan 1997, Stuart Clark wrote: > We've had a bit of a disaster with our plans for the Red Co-ed this weekend. > Our supposed four women have suddenly dropped to two Any women who would like to play this weekend, there will be ample opportunity to pick-up with teams. A list of teams short of women will be posted at the tournament. For directions either email me and I'll email/fax you a map or check out the following web Page. http://www.webleicester.co.uk/customer/scott/coed.htm See you there.... Scott /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ SCOTT: Ian Scotland Tel: 0116 2525824 Fax: 0116 2523154 E-mail: iws1@le.ac.uk http://wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk/buf/ /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Jan 31 11:52:28 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA14520; Fri, 31 Jan 1997 11:52:22 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id LAA07368; Fri, 31 Jan 1997 11:48:10 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA07363; Fri, 31 Jan 1997 11:47:52 GMT Received: from dub-img-4.compuserve.com by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id LAA13874; Fri, 31 Jan 1997 11:46:55 GMT Received: by dub-img-4.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id GAA01654; Fri, 31 Jan 1997 06:46:24 -0500 Date: 31 Jan 97 06:45:24 EST From: Stuart Clark <101336.3664@compuserve.com> To: Britdisc Subject: Mountain Bike Ultimate. Message-ID: <970131114523_101336.3664_GHW111-2@CompuServe.COM> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Jeff Pollak and Jim Gobes. Never underestimate their brain power. They have put Mountain Bike Ultimate (MBU) on the map. Homepage is: http://members.aol.com/mbucentral/photos3.html Check it out. Stu. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Jan 31 15:42:58 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id PAA20690; Fri, 31 Jan 1997 15:42:55 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id PAA12844; Fri, 31 Jan 1997 15:40:43 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id PAA12839; Fri, 31 Jan 1997 15:40:34 GMT Received: from hil-img-1.compuserve.com by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id PAA20337; Fri, 31 Jan 1997 15:40:32 GMT Received: by hil-img-1.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id KAA22288; Fri, 31 Jan 1997 10:39:59 -0500 Date: 31 Jan 97 10:37:58 EST From: Stuart Clark <101336.3664@compuserve.com> To: Britdisc Subject: Shotgun Practice? Or any London practice. Message-ID: <970131153758_101336.3664_GHW73-1@CompuServe.COM> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi, Can anyone tell me if Shotgun still practice on Clapham Common at the weekends? I just got a call from a Californian who's been playing Ultimate for four years on an Open team. He's going to be in London this weekend and was looking for a game. Anyone from Shotgun out there willing to let him join in and if so, can you tell me if anything is going on this w/e. Failing that, are there any London practices happening this weekend. Thanks in advance for your help, Cheers Stu. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Jan 31 16:20:13 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id QAA26221; Fri, 31 Jan 1997 16:20:07 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id QAA13617; Fri, 31 Jan 1997 16:18:25 GMT Received: from violet.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id QAA13612; Fri, 31 Jan 1997 16:18:17 GMT Received: from admin.warwick.ac.uk by violet.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id QAA13564; Fri, 31 Jan 1997 16:17:40 GMT Received: from SIGMA/MERCURY by admin.warwick.ac.uk (Mercury 1.21); 31 Jan 97 16:17:16 +0000 Received: from MERCURY by SIGMA (Mercury 1.21); 31 Jan 97 16:16:59 +0000 From: "DEREK ROBINS" Organization: University of Warwick, CV4 7AL, UK To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk, eurodisc@ira.uka.de Date: Fri, 31 Jan 1997 16:16:50 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Disc Golf Dates CC: Raf.Freire@Bristol.ac.uk Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.1 (R1a) Message-ID: <824960A53D9@admin.warwick.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk The British Disc Golf Tour is just about finalised, but I have just sabotaged my own tournament by booking a holiday to Vancouver. I think this will necessitate moving the Quarry Park Open to ** June 28/29 ** or ** May 24/25 ** If any Ultimate players are planning a tournament on that weekend I would be interested to hear of it. IF any golfers have a strong preference then let me know. February Whitcombe Farm Frostbreaker, Dorset 22-23 Contact Toby Green 01865 69789 March TOUR 1 - Bristol, Ashton Court 15-16 Contact Bud Tilton 0117 926 8055 April TOUR 2 - Hayling Island, Hampshire 12-13 Contact Billy Ault 01705 618650 May TOUR 3 - Scottish Open, Fanmore, Isle of Mull 3-4 Contact Guy Bolton 01688 500 249 May WORLDS BIGGEST (Hopefully many courses) 17-18 June TOUR 4 - Whitcombe Farm Classic 14-15 Contact Toby Green 01865 69789 >>> THIS MIGHT MOVE TO MAY 24/25 OR JUNE 28/29 <<<<<<<<< August TOUR 5 - Quarry Park Open, Leamington Spa 9-10 Contact Derek Robins 01926 864136 August TOUR 6 - BRITISH OPEN Essex University, Colchester 23-24 Contact Derek Robins 01926 864136 September Whitcombe Farm, Beaminster 6-7 Contact Toby Green 01865 69789 September TOUR 7 - Burnlaw, Northumberland 20-21 Oran Villiers-Stuart 01434 345 359 Contact Derek Robins regarding European tournaments e.g. Namur on March 29-30, Berlin on June 21-22, European Disc Golf Championships at Linkoeping, Sweden on July 18-20. Contact Rafi Freire (Competitions Director) regarding all general tour matters Raf.Freire@Bristol.ac.uk 01275 333671 Del *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*- Derek Robins | | D.J.Robins@admin.warwick.ac.uk Management Accountant | | Tel 01203 523523 x22710 Finance Office | | Fax 01203 524573 University of Warwick | | Room 343 Coventry CV4 7AL | | Senate House *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*- From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sat Feb 1 14:10:47 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id OAA06563; Sat, 1 Feb 1997 14:10:43 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id OAA03514; Sat, 1 Feb 1997 14:05:27 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id OAA03494; Sat, 1 Feb 1997 14:05:14 GMT Received: from granite.dcs.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id OAA06240; Sat, 1 Feb 1997 14:05:04 GMT Received: from mail.dcs.warwick.ac.uk by stone.dcs.warwick.ac.uk; Fri, 31 Jan 1997 15:07:35 GMT Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by mail.dcs.warwick.ac.uk; Fri, 31 Jan 1997 15:07:33 GMT Date: Fri, 31 Jan 1997 15:07:31 GMT Message-Id: <12085.199701311507@thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id PAA12085; Fri, 31 Jan 1997 15:07:31 GMT To: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: BOUNCE britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk: Admin request Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk >From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Jan 31 15:06:51 1997 remote from Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id PAA12075; Fri, 31 Jan 1997 15:06:41 GMT Received: from rsunx.crn.cogs.susx.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id PAA15340; Fri, 31 Jan 1997 15:06:39 GMT Received: from tsunx.ctn.cogs.susx.ac.uk by rsunx.crn.cogs.susx.ac.uk with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0vqKVi-0002zjC; Fri, 31 Jan 97 15:04 GMT Sender: grahamc@cogs.susx.ac.uk Message-ID: <32F20A1F.1F09@cogs.susx.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 31 Jan 1997 15:05:03 +0000 From: Graham Cambridge Organization: COGS, University of Sussex X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (X11; I; SunOS 5.5 sun4m) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Help with the BUF web pages.... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I want to get involved in the BUF web page changes debate thing. BUT, I've lost the message with the infomation. Can anyone point me in the direction of who to mail? Graham C. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sat Feb 1 15:44:45 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id PAA11677; Sat, 1 Feb 1997 15:44:41 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id PAA04835; Sat, 1 Feb 1997 15:41:23 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id PAA04830; Sat, 1 Feb 1997 15:41:15 GMT Received: from curlew.cs.man.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id PAA11563; Sat, 1 Feb 1997 15:41:13 GMT Received: from fs4.eng.man.ac.uk by curlew.cs.man.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Sat, 1 Feb 1997 15:41:00 +0000 Received: from MAN-ENG-FS4/MAILQUEUE by fs4.eng.man.ac.uk (Mercury 1.21); 1 Feb 97 15:55:16 GMT Received: from MAILQUEUE by MAN-ENG-FS4 (Mercury 1.21); 1 Feb 97 15:55:14 GMT From: "I.T.Cuddihy" To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Sat, 1 Feb 1997 15:55:12 GMT Subject: Fingers 6 on the web. Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.22 Message-ID: <76F12170D4C@fs4.eng.man.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Dear B.D.'ers For the benefit of those of you with little else to do than surf the web, then I bring good news. The Fingers 6 moped (driven by our esteemed chairman, Laurence) has pulled off the hard shoulder of the information super-highway, and into the fast lane. The Fingers 6 homepage contains a little F-6 history, plus player stats (could be good research if you think you might be playing us soon) and The Blue Book On-Line. The Blue Book is a record of the goings on at every tourney (over 40 now) F-6 have been to with spirit, trophy, plate,and spoon winners , quotes of the tournament and, of course, injuries. It can be found at http://yi.com/home/Fingers6/ (make sure you use a capital letter "F" in Fingers6 though, cause it doesn't appear to work otherwise.)Please also bear in mind that it is still under construction by Loz and friends and as such is not complete.....yet. Cheers from the North, Ian Fingers 6 From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Feb 3 07:52:13 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id HAA26248; Mon, 3 Feb 1997 07:52:09 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id HAA29774; Mon, 3 Feb 1997 07:48:14 GMT Received: from crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id HAA29769; Mon, 3 Feb 1997 07:48:07 GMT Date: Mon, 3 Feb 1997 07:48:04 GMT From: Mr R C Doswell Message-Id: <6201.199702030748@crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Received: by crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk id HAA06201; Mon, 3 Feb 1997 07:48:04 GMT To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: BUF Events Reminder Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk British Ultimate Federation Disc Events Diary --------------------------------------------- February 1997 ------------- Saturday 8 February 1997 Furious Five II (2 days) (Non-UK event) @ Odense, DK Newport Indoors (2 days) @ Newport Saturday 15 February 1997 BUF Junior Indoor Nationals (2 days) @ Millfield School, Street Sunday 16 February 1997 GB OPEN TRAINING (1 day) Invitation Only @ Witney (TBC) Saturday 22 February 1997 BUF Student Indoor Finals (2 days) @ Leeds (TBC) Frostbreaker Disc Golf Tournament (2 days) @ Whitcombe Farm, Beaminster, Dorset Frostbreaker Disc Golf Tournament (2 days) (Non-Ultimate) @ Whitcombe Farm, Beaminster, Dorset March 1997 ---------- Saturday 1 March 1997 National Indoor Regionals (Midlands) (2 days) @ Cheltenham National Indoor Regionals (Northern) (2 days) @ Salford, Manchester National Indoor Regionals (South East) (2 days) @ Farnborough National Indoor Regionals (South West) (2 days) @ Plymouth Saturday 8 March 1997 Co-Ed Tournament (2 days) @ Bradford Warwick Indoors (2 days) Invitation Only @ Coventry Saturday 15 March 1997 Wolves Indoors (2 days) @ Wolverhampton (???) Sunday 16 March 1997 GB Open Team Practice (1 day) @ TBA Saturday 22 March 1997 National Indoor Finals (2 days) @ Edinburgh April 1997 ---------- Saturday 5 April 1997 BUF Tour I (2 days) @ Hitchin Sunday 13 April 1997 GB Open Team practice (1 day) @ TBA Saturday 19 April 1997 BUF Tour II : Leicester Outdoors (2 days) @ Victoria Park, Leicester Saturday 26 April 1997 Student Outdoors (2 days) TBC @ TBA : Bids to Barry O'Kane May 1997 -------- Saturday 3 May 1997 BUF National Junior Outdoors (2 days) @ TBC Freezzz Beezzz 5th International Outdoor Ultimate Tournament (2 days) (Non-UK event) @ Brugge, BE Sunday 4 May 1997 GB Open Team practice (1 day) @ TBA Saturday 24 May 1997 GB Open Team practice (2 days) @ TBA (Note may be Sat/Sun OR Sun/Mon) Saturday 31 May 1997 BUF Tour III (2 days) @ Swindon June 1997 --------- Saturday 7 June 1997 Red Co-ed Outdoors (2 days) @ Countesthorpe, Leicester Sunday 15 June 1997 GB Open Team practice (1 day) @ TBA Saturday 21 June 1997 BUF Tour IV : Southampton Outdoors (2 days) @ Southampton July 1997 --------- Saturday 5 July 1997 BUF Tour V (2 days) @ Double Locks, Exeter Friday 11 July 1997 Warwick Bears 21st Reunion (3 days) TBC @ University of Warwick Sunday 13 July 1997 GB Open Team practice (1 day) @ TBA (Warwick?) Sunday 27 July 1997 World Ultimate Club Championships (WUCC'97) (7 days) (Non-UK event) @ Vancouver, CA August 1997 ----------- Sunday 10 August 1997 GB Open Team practice (1 day) @ TBA Saturday 16 August 1997 Ross-on-Wye (2 days) TBC @ Ross-On-Wye! Saturday 23 August 1997 1997 BDGA Championships (2 days) (Non-Ultimate) TBC Sunday 24 August 1997 EFDF European Ultimate Championships (7 days) @ Millfield School, Street, Somerset, UK September 1997 -------------- Thursday 11 September 1997 British Open (4 days) Saturday 27 September 1997 BUF National Finals (outdoor) (2 days) @ TBA. Anyone interested contact Si Hill asap. --------------------------------------------------------------- British Ultimate Federation Disc Events Diary http://www.csv.warwick.ac.uk:5201/cgi-bin/diary Ranulf Doswell, ralf@dcs.warwick.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Feb 3 09:11:44 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id JAA01451; Mon, 3 Feb 1997 09:11:40 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id JAA00975; Mon, 3 Feb 1997 09:07:44 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id JAA00951; Mon, 3 Feb 1997 09:07:17 GMT Date: Mon, 3 Feb 1997 09:05:54 GMT Received: from [137.205.222.1] by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id JAA00964; Mon, 3 Feb 1997 09:05:54 GMT X-Sender: serai@mail.csv.warwick.ac.uk Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: D.P.Neilson@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Dave Neilson) Subject: Amy Griffiths - are you out there? Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi I'm volunteer coordinator for the upcoming WUCC97 in Vancouver. (Never missing a promo opportunity, he cleverly took the chance to remind readers that they can get more info at http://www2.portal.ca/~wucc97? How crass.) Amy Griffiths contacted me a while ago about volunteering and I'd like to get back to her, but her e-mail doesn't work. She's a second-year student at Leeds Univ. in the U.K. If you can contact her for me, pls ask her to e-mail me at slewis@sfu.ca. Thanks -- Scott Lewis E-mail: slewis@sfu.ca Dept. of Communication Simon Fraser University Phone/Fax: 604-874-5636 Burnaby, B.C., CANADA V5A 1S6 From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Feb 3 10:41:32 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id KAA14201; Mon, 3 Feb 1997 10:41:27 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id KAA03221; Mon, 3 Feb 1997 10:36:18 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id KAA03208; Mon, 3 Feb 1997 10:35:58 GMT Received: from venus.le.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id KAA13203; Mon, 3 Feb 1997 10:35:53 GMT Received: from hawk.le.ac.uk by venus.le.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Mon, 3 Feb 1997 10:42:45 +0000 Date: Mon, 3 Feb 1997 10:32:15 +0000 (GMT) From: Scott X-Sender: iws1@hawk To: britdisc cc: EuroDisc Subject: Leicester Co-ed &Juniors Indoors Results Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk For those who were unaware last weekend saw 23 co-ed and 6 Juniors teams competing for the Leicester Co-ed Salad Bowl trophey! Last year was the the first time a co-ed tournament was held in the UK with just 6 coed teams, then in Hitchen last year there were 12(??) and now it's 23 - Coed is definitely growing. I hope everyone enjoyed the tournament and will come back next year. Final placings were; 1. Pulp (Oxford/London) 2. Scooby-Doo (mix of Druids & Nuns) 3. Shaggy (mix of Druids & Nuns) 4. Chevron AF (Manchester) 5. Headrush (Bristol 6. Space Cowboys (Juniors, Colchester) 7. Playthings (London) 8. Hint of Lime (Juniors, Gosport) 9. Stanley Peaks (Kenilworth) 10. SFA (M3) 11. incREDulous (Leicester) 12. Assorted Nuts (London) 13. Jesters I (Leicester) 14. Uriel (Exeter) 15. Discult (Juniors, Exeter) 16. Vicious Circle (Juniors, Berkhamsted) **** Plate Winners ***** 17. Strange Blue (Cambridge) 18. incREDible (Leicester) 19. Hint of Lime Co-ed (Gosport) 20. Angels I (London) 21. Sharks (Oxford) 22. Jedi Children (Leeds) 23. Nads (Juniors, Newport) 24. Mud Culture (Glasgow) ***** Spirit Winners ***** 25. Superfly (Nottingham) 26. Angels II (London) 27. High Pie (Juniors, Norfolk) 28. Sneeeky's (Edinburgh) 29. Jesters II (Leicester) We did have thirty teams but one dropped out at the last minute. Mud Culture had the most interesting end of match call which involved the male members of the opposition putting on a bra without taking their t-shirt of (or showing any nipple). In the final ceremony they presented a prize to Alex of Superfly for the fastest time of 40 seconds (??). Unluckiest team had to be Hint of Lime who had their minibus broken into, lost a player to hospital through injury and witnessed a series of incedents in the indian resturaunt where they ate (eventually requiring the intervention of the police). Sorry! It's not always like that in Leicester, honest! That's it from me Seeya Scott /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ SCOTT: Ian Scotland Tel: 0116 2525824 Fax: 0116 2523154 E-mail: iws1@le.ac.uk http://wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk/buf/ /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Feb 3 11:00:59 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA17519; Mon, 3 Feb 1997 11:00:55 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id KAA03702; Mon, 3 Feb 1997 10:56:15 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id KAA03676; Mon, 3 Feb 1997 10:55:14 GMT Received: from venus.le.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id KAA16503; Mon, 3 Feb 1997 10:55:09 GMT Received: from hawk.le.ac.uk by venus.le.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Mon, 3 Feb 1997 11:00:22 +0000 Date: Mon, 3 Feb 1997 10:49:07 +0000 (GMT) From: Scott X-Sender: iws1@hawk To: britdisc Subject: RED Coed - LOST PROPERTY Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk The following lost property was recovered at the end of the tournament. Any claimants? - Grey "Diesel" sweatshirt - Yellowy/red chequed shirt "Company Secret" - GB Juniors 93 t-shirt - Lemmings 2 design - Pink Monsoon t-shirt - Team mascott panda with Ultimate woolly hat - White long sleeve t-shirt - Atlanta 1996 design - GB Open shirt Euro 93 (no. 13) - Blue Airwalk trainers (size 8) - Woolly jumper "Professional Ski Instructor" - Black "Sportif" sweatshirt - Towel - Royal Blue with sky blue stripe - Black 16 eye boots - Hitech Magnum (size 12) - Ice Pack for Cool bag - Blue woolly hat - Tan shoes - Brasher Boot Co. size 8 - Plastic Bag with various bits of underwear & Funky Nuns t-shirt no. 9 - Disc with the name K.Sygrove, Mohawks - Ventolin Dischaler - Ladies watch (make ZEON) - Black Rotterdam 96 t-shirt If you have stuff missing other than this then contact the Granby Halls direct on 0116 2333050. All this lost property will be winging it's way over to Newport this weekend (see SFA) and to National Finals in Edinburgh, after which any unclaimed property will be given to charity or recycled. Scott /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ SCOTT: Ian Scotland Tel: 0116 2525824 Fax: 0116 2523154 E-mail: iws1@le.ac.uk http://wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk/buf/ /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Feb 3 21:26:08 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id VAA23330; Mon, 3 Feb 1997 21:26:03 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id VAA19207; Mon, 3 Feb 1997 21:22:01 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id VAA19202; Mon, 3 Feb 1997 21:21:53 GMT Received: from stone.dcs.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id VAA23053; Mon, 3 Feb 1997 21:21:51 GMT Received: from mail.dcs.warwick.ac.uk by stone.dcs.warwick.ac.uk; Mon, 3 Feb 1997 20:48:47 GMT Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by mail.dcs.warwick.ac.uk; Mon, 3 Feb 1997 20:48:45 GMT Date: Mon, 3 Feb 1997 20:48:44 GMT Message-Id: <18694.199702032048@thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id UAA18694; Mon, 3 Feb 1997 20:48:44 GMT To: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: BOUNCE britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk: Admin request Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk >From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Feb 3 20:48:37 1997 remote from Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id UAA18688; Mon, 3 Feb 1997 20:48:36 GMT Received: from phidelta.demon.co.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id UAA20262; Mon, 3 Feb 1997 20:48:21 GMT Date: Mon, 03 Feb 1997 20:34:37 GMT From: druid@phidelta.demon.co.uk (Fluid Druids Ultimate Team) Reply-To: susan@systematic.co.uk Message-Id: <4472@phidelta.demon.co.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Ultimate (fwd) X-Name: Wayne Retter, Treasurer X-Team: Fluid Druids - theultimatefrisbeeteam X-WWW: http://www.dreamer.demon.co.uk/druids.htm X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Lines: 35 Can anybody help ? Please reply direct to Susan Green at her address below: Forwarded message follows: > From susan@systematic.co.uk Wed Jan 29 21:11:03 1997 > Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970129144000.006ab6d4@sysmatic> > X-Sender: susan@sysmatic > X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) > Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 14:40:00 +0000 > To: druid@phidelta.demon.co.uk > From: Susan Green > Subject: Ultimate > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > Status: R > > Hello, > > Using the 'net, you were listed as a contact for Ultimate in London .. I > have recently moved from Canada to Camberley, Surrey and I was wondering, > would you be able to tell me if there are any clubs closer to where I live??? > > Thanks > > Susan. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Susan Green, Software Engineer, susan@systematic.co.uk > Systematic Software Engineering Ltd, Telephone:+44 1276 675533 > The Coliseum, Riverside Way, Camberley, Surrey GU15 3YL ...................................... : FLUID DRUIDS : : theultimatefrisbeeteam : : Druid@phidelta.demon.co.uk : : http://www.dreamer.demon.co.uk/ : :....................................: From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Feb 4 12:30:20 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id MAA05112; Tue, 4 Feb 1997 12:30:14 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id MAA02329; Tue, 4 Feb 1997 12:21:46 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id MAA02318; Tue, 4 Feb 1997 12:21:33 GMT Received: from mail.rmplc.net by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id MAA03604; Tue, 4 Feb 1997 12:21:28 GMT Received: from acotgreave.rmplc.net ([172.16.27.34]) by mail.rmplc.net (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA25543 for ; Tue, 4 Feb 1997 12:21:19 GMT Message-Id: <199702041221.MAA25543@mail.rmplc.net> From: "Andy Cotgreave" To: "Britdisc" Subject: Flights to Vancouver Date: Tue, 4 Feb 1997 12:19:15 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Has anyone found any really cheap deals to Vancouver for the worlds yet? The cheapest I have found is 419 pounds + 25 tax from Canadian Affair (0171 385 4400), flying from London. Anyone know any cheaper deals, or ways to save money on the flights? Andy C From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Feb 5 10:33:04 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id KAA27290; Wed, 5 Feb 1997 10:33:00 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id KAA26849; Wed, 5 Feb 1997 10:25:49 GMT Received: from clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id KAA26843; Wed, 5 Feb 1997 10:25:37 GMT Received: from amsta.leeds.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id KAA14553; Wed, 5 Feb 1997 10:25:18 GMT Received: from newton.leeds.amsta (newton.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.64]) by amsta.leeds.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA12929 for ; Wed, 5 Feb 1997 10:27:08 GMT Received: by newton.leeds.amsta (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA04635; Wed, 5 Feb 1997 10:28:18 GMT Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 10:28:18 GMT From: amtsjh@amsta.leeds.ac.uk (S J Hill) Message-Id: <199702051028.KAA04635@newton.leeds.amsta> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: tour X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hello. Plans for the tour continue to move on. There will have to be a small group of people involved in running it all, and to possibly(/occasionally/hopefully never) make decisions about problems that arise... I'm starting by asking people on email because my phone bill is already stupid. We need 5 people: thats me + 4 others. I have one person already interested. Each person will have specific bits to do... plus generally helping out at tourneys + things... The reasoning behind some of this will become clearer when the full pack comes out soon.... "treasurer" - will receive team deposits, etc... "secretary" - will look after the player registration... "ranking" - will look after the actual ranking list "equipment" - we hope to have scoreboards, big water containers, etc...this person will know where it all is and make sure it arrives at each tourney... So thats a VAGUE outline of what's needed - nothing particularly onerous. Would be best if we had representation from good cross-section of teams. Please get in touch soon... Si ps - If you are one of the people who I gave a "U8 1st draft" to, I am keen to hear about anything you think is potentially a problem, or that you don't like, etc. I want to get on with a final version for '97... its high time this information landed on team-doorsteps... thanks. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Feb 5 14:07:12 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id OAA04770; Wed, 5 Feb 1997 14:07:07 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id OAA02944; Wed, 5 Feb 1997 14:00:19 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id NAA02938; Wed, 5 Feb 1997 13:59:56 GMT Received: from sys4.cambridge.uk.psi.net by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id NAA03536; Wed, 5 Feb 1997 13:59:53 GMT Received: from rrl.UUCP by sys4.cambridge.uk.psi.net (8.7.5/SMI-5.5-UKPSINet) id NAA14185; Wed, 5 Feb 1997 13:40:08 GMT Date: Wed, 05 Feb 97 13:23:29 bst From: pardoe@rrl.co.uk ( pardoe ) Reply-To: pardoe@rrl.co.uk Message-Id: <9701058551.AA855149225@rrl> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Newport Tourney Pickup Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi, Do any of the teams going to the Newport tournament this weekend need an extra player? If so please let me know by email at pardoe@rrl.co.uk as I would like to play but my team wasn't invited !!?! Cheers Andy Pardoe STAN playboy From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Feb 5 22:22:19 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id WAA05193; Wed, 5 Feb 1997 22:22:15 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id WAA13798; Wed, 5 Feb 1997 22:16:34 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id WAA13792; Wed, 5 Feb 1997 22:16:24 GMT Received: from dub-img-7.compuserve.com by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id WAA04670; Wed, 5 Feb 1997 22:16:10 GMT Received: by dub-img-7.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id RAA16992; Wed, 5 Feb 1997 17:01:40 -0500 Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 17:01:17 -0500 From: Aike Arnheim <106400.277@compuserve.com> Subject: SATURDAY 15TH FEB To: BritDisc Cc: Amy again , Amy , Chloe , Dora , Fiona , Laura Lafave , LauraB Message-ID: <199702051701_MC2-10EA-4F5E@compuserve.com> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk SECOND TRAINING DATE TO BE SATURDAY 15TH FEBURARY 12.00pm TRENT PARK, MIDDLESEX UNI (LONDON) AND SUNDAY 16TH 10.00am Look forward to seeing as many of you as possible. Vanessa For directions etc do not hesitate to call (contacts as below) World Clubs, Vancouver 1997 The Funky Nuns are making preliminary plans to go to the World Clubs in Vancouver 1997. At the moment we do not have a full squad and we are looking to pick up a number of like minded, good quality women players. We are interested in those who are prepared to put time and effort into training and playing. In theory we would aim to practise at least twice a month (possibly more, depending on geographical spread). Importantly, this week is going to cost eight hundred to one thousand pounds, but this is a fantastic opportunity to experience top quality Ultimate. Contacts Jennifer Nilson or Vanessa White H: 0181 67 37 538 H: 0171 435 8837 W: 0171 382 6561 W: 0171 935 7700 Mobile: 0468 077 280 email. Compurserve address c/o Aike Arnheim 106400,277 Team email: funkynun@phidelta.demon.co.uk (Vanessa and Rebecca) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Feb 6 19:33:59 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id TAA20392; Thu, 6 Feb 1997 19:33:53 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id TAA07700; Thu, 6 Feb 1997 19:29:01 GMT Received: from violet.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id TAA07694; Thu, 6 Feb 1997 19:28:50 GMT Received: from admin.warwick.ac.uk by violet.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id TAA21654; Thu, 6 Feb 1997 19:26:48 GMT Received: from SIGMA/MERCURY by admin.warwick.ac.uk (Mercury 1.21); 6 Feb 97 19:26:27 +0000 Received: from MERCURY by SIGMA (Mercury 1.21); 6 Feb 97 19:25:49 +0000 From: "DEREK ROBINS" Organization: University of Warwick, CV4 7AL, UK To: eurodisc@ira.uka.de, britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk, oz.freire@designmotive.co.uk, charlie_mead@midnet.com, 100125.651@compuserve.com, 101321.3676@compuserve.com, batty@volumex.demon.co.uk, SURCWA@hantsnet.hants.gov.uk, xjim@sol.tilehill.ac.uk, saw@easynet.co.uk, alkaid@ping.be, 103320.2724@compuserve.com Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 19:25:49 +0000 (GMT) Subject: GOLF - British and Eurotour dates Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.1 (R1a) Message-ID: <8B7BFFF5940@admin.warwick.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk BDGA & EUROTOUR 1997 Tournament Schedule This schedule was last updated on 5th February, 1997 It is available on the web at http://www.csv.warwick.ac.uk/~forab/disc/bdga/96tour.html (yes I know the file title says 96, but it is 97) Please note that there is a possibility of changes to this schedule; it is always recommended to contact the tournament director if you are in doubt. DATE TOURNAMENT LOCATION TOUR TD PHONE Mar 15-16 Bristol Ashton Court Bud Tilton B 0117 926 8055 Mar 29-30 Belgian Open Namur Marco Lehouse E +32 81 222823 Apr 12-13 Hayling Island Hampshire Billy Ault B 01703 336759 May 3-4 Scottish Open Fanmore, Mull Guy Bolton B 01688 500 249 May 10-11 Geneva Masters Switzerland Urs Handte E +41 52 2123251 May 24-25 Swiss Open Bern Urs Handte EA +41 52 2123251 May 24-25 Quarry Park Leamington Spa Derek Robins B 01926 864136 May 24-25 Helsingborg OpenSweden Kurt Karlsson E +46 40 302919 May 31-1 German Open Braunschweig Kirsten TostmannE +49 531 345997 June 7-8 Oslo Open Norway Sune Wentzel E +47 22 690575 June 21-22 Berlin Open Germany Stephen Defty EA +49 30 6938898 June 28-29 Whitcombe Farm Beaminster, Dorset Toby Green B 01865 69789 July 12-13 Elsinore Open Denmark Willy Jacobsen E +45 42 224253 July 18-20 European DG Linkoping,Sweden Kurt Karlsson ** +46 40 302919 Aug 2-3 Helsinki Open Finland Seppo Nieminnen E +35 86 3231 1495 Aug 23-24 British Open Essex Univ. Derek Robins E+B 01926 864 136 Aug 30-31 Swedish Open Stockholm Kurt Karlsson EA +46 40 302919 Sept 13-14 Internat'l Open Gstaad, Switz Paul Franz E +41 61 3228551 Sept 20-21 European DG Cup Weilheim,Germ Hartl Wahrmann EA +49 881 62648 Sept 20-21 Burnlaw Open Northumberland Oran Villiers-Stuart B 01434 345359 B denotes BDGA Tour Event E denotes Eurotour "B" Tier Event EA denotes Eurotour "A" Tier Event The coordinator for the British Tour is Rafi Freire Raf.Freire@Bristol.ac.uk The coordinator for the European Tour is Stephen Defty +49 30 693 8898 *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*- Derek Robins | | D.J.Robins@admin.warwick.ac.uk Management Accountant | | Tel 01203 523523 x22710 Finance Office | | Fax 01203 524573 University of Warwick | | Room 343 Coventry CV4 7AL | | Senate House *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*- From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Feb 10 07:52:44 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id HAA16353; Mon, 10 Feb 1997 07:52:41 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id HAA13315; Mon, 10 Feb 1997 07:48:20 GMT Received: from crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id HAA13310; Mon, 10 Feb 1997 07:48:13 GMT Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 07:48:10 GMT From: Mr R C Doswell Message-Id: <1801.199702100748@crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Received: by crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk id HAA01801; Mon, 10 Feb 1997 07:48:10 GMT To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: BUF Events Reminder Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk British Ultimate Federation Disc Events Diary --------------------------------------------- February 1997 ------------- Saturday 15 February 1997 BUF Junior Indoor Nationals (2 days) @ Millfield School, Street Sunday 16 February 1997 GB OPEN TRAINING (1 day) Invitation Only @ Witney (TBC) Saturday 22 February 1997 BUF Student Indoor Finals (2 days) @ Leeds (TBC) Frostbreaker Disc Golf Tournament (2 days) @ Whitcombe Farm, Beaminster, Dorset Frostbreaker Disc Golf Tournament (2 days) (Non-Ultimate) @ Whitcombe Farm, Beaminster, Dorset March 1997 ---------- Saturday 1 March 1997 National Indoor Regionals (Midlands) (2 days) @ Cheltenham National Indoor Regionals (Northern) (2 days) @ Salford, Manchester National Indoor Regionals (South East) (2 days) @ Farnborough National Indoor Regionals (South West) (2 days) @ Plymouth Saturday 8 March 1997 Co-Ed Tournament (2 days) @ Bradford Warwick Indoors (2 days) Invitation Only @ Coventry Saturday 15 March 1997 Wolves Indoors (2 days) @ Wolverhampton (???) Sunday 16 March 1997 GB Open Team Practice (1 day) @ TBA Saturday 22 March 1997 National Indoor Finals (2 days) @ Edinburgh April 1997 ---------- Saturday 5 April 1997 BUF Tour I (2 days) @ Hitchin Sunday 13 April 1997 GB Open Team practice (1 day) @ TBA Saturday 19 April 1997 BUF Tour II : Leicester Outdoors (2 days) @ Victoria Park, Leicester Saturday 26 April 1997 Student Outdoors (2 days) TBC @ TBA : Bids to Barry O'Kane May 1997 -------- Saturday 3 May 1997 BUF National Junior Outdoors (2 days) @ TBC Freezzz Beezzz 5th International Outdoor Ultimate Tournament (2 days) (Non-UK event) @ Brugge, BE Sunday 4 May 1997 GB Open Team practice (1 day) @ TBA Saturday 24 May 1997 GB Open Team practice (2 days) @ TBA (Note may be Sat/Sun OR Sun/Mon) Saturday 31 May 1997 BUF Tour III (2 days) @ Swindon June 1997 --------- Saturday 7 June 1997 Red Co-ed Outdoors (2 days) @ Countesthorpe, Leicester Sunday 15 June 1997 GB Open Team practice (1 day) @ TBA Saturday 21 June 1997 BUF Tour IV : Southampton Outdoors (2 days) @ Southampton July 1997 --------- Saturday 5 July 1997 BUF Tour V (2 days) @ Double Locks, Exeter Friday 11 July 1997 Warwick Bears 21st Reunion (3 days) TBC @ University of Warwick Sunday 13 July 1997 GB Open Team practice (1 day) @ TBA (Warwick?) Sunday 27 July 1997 World Ultimate Club Championships (WUCC'97) (7 days) (Non-UK event) @ Vancouver, CA August 1997 ----------- Sunday 10 August 1997 GB Open Team practice (1 day) @ TBA Saturday 16 August 1997 Ross-on-Wye (2 days) TBC @ Ross-On-Wye! Saturday 23 August 1997 1997 BDGA Championships (2 days) (Non-Ultimate) TBC Sunday 24 August 1997 EFDF European Ultimate Championships (7 days) @ Millfield School, Street, Somerset, UK September 1997 -------------- Thursday 11 September 1997 British Open (4 days) Saturday 27 September 1997 BUF National Finals (outdoor) (2 days) @ TBA. Anyone interested contact Si Hill asap. --------------------------------------------------------------- British Ultimate Federation Disc Events Diary http://www.csv.warwick.ac.uk:5201/cgi-bin/diary Ranulf Doswell, ralf@dcs.warwick.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Feb 10 15:15:16 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id PAA08626; Mon, 10 Feb 1997 15:15:13 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id PAA23009; Mon, 10 Feb 1997 15:10:04 GMT Received: from nessie.mcc.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id PAA23003; Mon, 10 Feb 1997 15:09:54 GMT Received: from ccg.acu.man.ac.uk by nessie.mcc.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Mon, 10 Feb 1997 15:07:01 +0000 Received: from cc:Mail by ccg.acu.man.ac.uk (1.30/SMTPLink) id A15035; Mon, 10 Feb 97 15:00:55 GMT Date: Mon, 10 Feb 97 15:00:55 GMT From: Rob Mitchell Message-ID: <9702101500.A15035@ccg.acu.man.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Ben Rainbow Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Text item: Text_1 I'm afraid, folks, that I have to pass on some bad news. Ben Rainbow died on Thursday morning. After meeting members of Cupid and Psyche in Leeds in 1991, Ben became hooked on Ultimate and after moving to Manchester in 1993 decided that what the city really needed was a frisbee team. Fingers Six Steps Ahead Of Our Minds, to give it it's full title, was born in September 93 and sustained almost entirely through Ben's extraordinary efforts. His time, commitment and enthusiasm was the driving force behind the team which progressed to sixth place at Indoor Nationals only eighteen months after we'd all picked up a disc for the first time. Before too long Ben was sticking his oar in at the BUF and would certainly have become one of the key figures in British Ultimate. Whilst it's clear that Ultimate Manchester owes everything to Ben, it's also I think, arguable that Ultimate across the North of England is substantially in debt to him. Without the fraternal rivalry between the Manchester and Leeds teams which began in 1993, it's hard to imagine that ourselves or Catch 22 could have progressed as far or has as much fun as we have since. Perhaps the highlight of Ben's playing career came in the Summer of 1995 when he was asked to join the Sneeekys for their outing at the WUCC in Street, Somerset, a week during which Ben and everyone involved had an absolute ball. Shortly after the first British Open in Eastbourne Ben was diagnosed with a very rare type of liver cancer. Four the last sixteen months he lived life to the full, taking in a handful of foreign trips and generally poking his nose in all over the place. Sadly, despite a relentlessly positive outlook and some amazing fighting spirit, Ben's condition was too much for him and he passed away at home on Thursday morning. For three years Ultimate was Ben's life and he will, of course, be sadly missed, not only as a player and organiser, but as a dear friend who left his mark on all those who met him. Ben will be buried in the churchyard in Stocklinch, near Taunton in Somerset, where he grew up and lived up until his death. The funeral is this Wednesday, the 12th of February, at 2.30 pm. All are welcome and both Ben's parents and the Chevron/Fingers family would love to see as big a turnout as possible. So if you knew Ben, or if you just want to come along, feel free. Ben's family have already been swamped with flowers and have asked that well-wishers send donations to the Bristol Cancer Health Centre, a homeopathic centre where Ben received what he considered by far the most useful treatment and helpful advice in dealing with his condition. If individuals or teams would like to donate, cheques made payable to the centre can be sent to myself or Kenny at 6, Ravensdale Street, Rusholme, Manchester, M14 5NZ. and we'll organise what will hopefully be a useful donation from the Ultimate community. If anyone wants to write to Ben's family, the address is Elwell House, Stocklinch, Ilminster, Nr Taunton, Somerset, TA19 9JF. Finally if anyone wants any more details or just fancies a chat, they can get myself or Kenny on 0161 224 9987. Sorry to have to break this sad news to you. We hope you'll be able to pass it on to your team-mates and anyone else who would wish to know. Rob, Chevron. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Feb 10 16:15:34 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id QAA19628; Mon, 10 Feb 1997 16:15:28 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id QAA24703; Mon, 10 Feb 1997 16:07:52 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id QAA24695; Mon, 10 Feb 1997 16:07:33 GMT Received: from nessie.mcc.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id QAA17982; Mon, 10 Feb 1997 16:06:35 GMT Received: from ccg.acu.man.ac.uk by nessie.mcc.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Mon, 10 Feb 1997 16:06:08 +0000 Received: from cc:Mail by ccg.acu.man.ac.uk (1.30/SMTPLink) id A15104; Mon, 10 Feb 97 15:56:27 GMT Date: Mon, 10 Feb 97 15:56:27 GMT From: Rob Mitchell Message-ID: <9702101556.A15104@ccg.acu.man.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Ben Rainbow Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Text item: Text_1 I'm afraid, folks, that I have to pass on some bad news. Ben Rainbow died on Thursday morning. After meeting members of Cupid and Psyche in Leeds in 1991, Ben became hooked on Ultimate and after moving to Manchester in 1993 decided that what the city really needed was a frisbee team. Fingers Six Steps Ahead Of Our Minds, to give it it's full title, was born in September 93 and sustained almost entirely through Ben's extraordinary efforts. His time, commitment and enthusiasm was the driving force behind the team which progressed to sixth place at Indoor Nationals only eighteen months after we'd all picked up a disc for the first time. Before too long Ben was sticking his oar in at the BUF and would certainly have become one of the key figures in British Ultimate. Whilst it's clear that Ultimate Manchester owes everything to Ben, it's also I think, arguable that Ultimate across the North of England is substantially in debt to him. Without the fraternal rivalry between the Manchester and Leeds teams which began in 1993, it's hard to imagine that ourselves or Catch 22 could have progressed as far or has as much fun as we have since. Perhaps the highlight of Ben's playing career came in the Summer of 1995 when he was asked to join the Sneeekys for their outing at the WUCC in Street, Somerset, a week during which Ben and everyone involved had an absolute ball. Shortly after the first British Open in Eastbourne Ben was diagnosed with a very rare type of liver cancer. Four the last sixteen months he lived life to the full, taking in a handful of foreign trips and generally poking his nose in all over the place. Sadly, despite a relentlessly positive outlook and some amazing fighting spirit, Ben's condition was too much for him and he passed away at home on Thursday morning. For three years Ultimate was Ben's life and he will, of course, be sadly missed, not only as a player and organiser, but as a dear friend who left his mark on all those who met him. Ben will be buried in the churchyard in Stocklinch, near Taunton in Somerset, where he grew up and lived up until his death. The funeral is this Wednesday, the 12th of February, at 2.30 pm. All are welcome and both Ben's parents and the Chevron/Fingers family would love to see as big a turnout as possible. So if you knew Ben, or if you just want to come along, feel free. Ben's family have already been swamped with flowers and have asked that well-wishers send donations to the Bristol Cancer Health Centre, a homeopathic centre where Ben received what he considered by far the most useful treatment and helpful advice in dealing with his condition. If individuals or teams would like to donate, cheques made payable to the centre can be sent to myself or Kenny at 6, Ravensdale Street, Rusholme, Manchester, M14 5NZ. and we'll organise what will hopefully be a useful donation from the Ultimate community. If anyone wants to write to Ben's family, the address is Elwell House, Stocklinch, Ilminster, Nr Taunton, Somerset, TA19 9JF. Finally if anyone wants any more details or just fancies a chat, they can get myself or Kenny on 0161 224 9987. Sorry to have to break this sad news to you. We hope you'll be able to pass it on to your team-mates and anyone else who would wish to know. Rob, Chevron. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Feb 10 22:39:50 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id WAA08653; Mon, 10 Feb 1997 22:39:46 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id WAA02689; Mon, 10 Feb 1997 22:37:11 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id WAA02674; Mon, 10 Feb 1997 22:36:40 GMT Received: from phidelta.demon.co.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id WAA08398; Mon, 10 Feb 1997 22:36:20 GMT Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 18:41:06 GMT From: druid@phidelta.demon.co.uk (Fluid Druids Ultimate Team) Reply-To: druid@phidelta.demon.co.uk Message-Id: <4545@phidelta.demon.co.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Cc: c.hughes1@livjm.ac.uk Subject: Newport Indoor Tournament Report X-Name: Wayne Retter, Treasurer X-Team: Fluid Druids - theultimatefrisbeeteam X-WWW: http://www.dreamer.demon.co.uk/druids.htm X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Lines: 142 Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Newport Indoor Tournament 1997 RESULTS, in the traditional reverse order... 16 Hurricaine 15 Funky Nuns 14 Zebedees 13 Small Furry Animals 12 Lurkers 11 Bears 10 Blue Arse Flies 9 Playthings **PLATE WINNERS** 8 Mohawks 7 Fluid Druids 6 Sharks 5 Mr Men 4 Skunks 3 UTI 2 Slow White and the Smelly Hordes 1 Druids Old Gits MVP Final: Karl "Buzz Lightweight" Mann - go on, think about it carefully. SPIRIT: Bears Hurricaine presented each team they played with a timed fill-in-the-gaps competition, with marks awarded for speed, artistic merit and the necessity of getting at least one answer correct. Druids won a big bag of sweets for their top ranking 7.5 marks (of a possible 10) and the honour of having their answers (well, some of them) used as a benchmark for the other scores. (There's quite a bit after this point...) Tournament Format: Round 1: Round-Robin in pools of 4. Competition here is really for second place in the pool so that you get a shot at the Final. If the top team makes a mistake, it can recover in Round 2. Games to 18 mins or 13 points. Pool A: the Fluid Druids and Druids Old Gits (DOG) team their games against Lurkers and Hurricaine comfortably and no1 slot was up for grabs. The two teams had been placed in the same pool for this very reason - they couldn't decide which would be stronger so they thought they'd find out early on. The presence of Adam's still-recovering knee and some of the lesser seen Old Gits dictated ZoneD by DOG (which got busted), and the lesser practiced overheads were fair game for the younger, more mobile Druids. The Druids gained a 3-0 lead. DOG then changed from Zone to SensibleSwitching for D, and threw more carefully, to bring the game back on an even keel. Then they waited, when the Druids made the mistake in the final 30 seconds with the score even, DOG played possession for 25 then threw the win-or-die pass and caught it. With no time remaining, Druids couldn't recover. Pool B: Blue Arse Flies discovered that having a large team can be a problem in the early stages of an Indoor tournament. Playthings lost their first game by default and Sharks overcame Slow White. The three way tie that resulted was settled on Goal Difference between the tied teams, Slow White top, then Sharks, with Playthings relegated to the Plate competition. Pool C: Zebedees discovered the disadvantages of only having 4 players, but managed to borrow from SFA, and coming 3rd. Mohawks managed to beat Mr Men to the top on the merit of their draw being worth more than Mr Men's loss. Bears, despite drawing with Mohawks, failed to win any other games and finished 4. Pool D: Finished as seeded, UTI, Skunks, SFA, Funky Nuns. Round 2: Rather than the more traditional sets of elimination games, Newport offers the chance of redeeming those earlier mistakes or falling foul of complacency in the form of another Round-Robin pool. Two pools for the Trophy, two for the Plate, the objective being to win your pool to be in the final against the winners of the contemporary pool. Games are still 18 minutes or 13 points. Midway through this round, a Shotgun player was discovered playing Indoor Ultimate and enjoying it, except maybe for those times when he realised that being horizontal would soon result in contact with an uncomfortable surface. Pool P (Trophy): DOG, Sharks, Mohawks, Skunks. DOG having beaten the Skunks and Mohawks comfortably (by scoreline), Skunks beat Mohawks, Mohawks beat Sharks and Sharks beat Skunks in sudden death. Sharks are up to face DOG - if they win, they're in the Final, if they loose, goal difference with Skunks and Mohawks puts them in the 5-6 playoff. DOG's experience, switching D and improved throwing puts DOG into the Final, Skunks 2nd, Mohawks 4th. Pool Q (Trophy): Druids, Slow White, Mr Men, UTI. Pool of death ? Druids lose by a point to Mr Men (who had some things to prove) in the last 5 seconds of the game, Mr Men and Druids both lose to a confident UTI, Slow White, who ended up in this pool due to Sharks defeat by Playthings in Round 1, beat Mr Men, then UTI and realise that they're in the Final no matter what their score against Druids. Druids finally win that game, by a single point, but still finish bottom of the pool. UTI are 2 and Mr Men 3. Pool R (Plate): Hurricaine, Playthings, Bears, SFA. Playthings made up for their Round 1 no-show by winning all their games to be in the Plate Final, though Bears gave them some trouble (I can't remember if it was sudden death?), finishing second, SFA 3rd and Hurricaine 4th. Pool S: Lurkers, Blue Arse Flies, Zebedees, Funky Nuns. Blue Arse Flies (very lucky that they only lost to Zebedees by 1 point) get to the Plate Final on Goal Difference with Lurkers and Zebedees, each team with W2 L1 records. Lurkers finish 2, Zebedees 3 and the Nuns (inspired throwing, outjumping Merrick, unfazed catching and layout scores) 4th. And so to the positional games. S4 vs R4, etc. 25 minutes, 15 points. Hurricaine made use of their huck play against their first opposition of comparative height, but ran up against the positive cycle of Nuns' increasing confidence, increased successful D, increasingly successful O and further bolstered confidence. Both teams finished smiling. Zebedees played ironman 4, their earlier assistants now playing for the opposition (their own team)- SFA, and played well, loosing by only 3 points. The tightest games of the tournament, Lurkers vs Bears who'd both missed the Plate Final by one point, and the Plate Final itself, Playthings vs Blue Arse Flies, both went to sudden death, Bears and Playthings respectively emerging the victors. Druids regained whatever they'd lost in the way of teamwork and beat Mohawks, Mr Men (with Ian Stebbing proving he's not as fat, slow or daft as he looks) kept their heads and contained Sharks, and Skunks performed excellently (how do you stop Sonic, and, when you do, how do you stop the rest as well?) against UTI. The Final: DOG vs Slow White. Old friends and rivals, under new names. Pete Hallet is tall, Adam is fat, Sasha likes trying to throw at Pete, Jeff's body appears to do what his brain tells it without disagreeing so much, Karl really doesn't stop running, does he? Raffi knows about throwing (though he'd prefer a little breeze in the air) Dave Beale plays once a year and hasn't lost yet... and you still haven't a clue what happened. DOG played a lot of Zone, but played person-on-person (both teams' women were essential to the game) to keep the variety going, Karl putting enough pressure on Pete to make Slow White think seriously about how successful the long passes would be. Slow White responded, showing they have a competent running/zone-breaking game when they use it and abusing DOG for defensive errors. They also proved they knew the DOG offensive style by poaching off for the hammers and knives to the EndZone. DOG persisted, however, to win the game in a confident manner. I reckon that's enough from me. If anyone's REALLY interested, we'll see if we can put all the scores on the web page, or somewhere. Cheers to all for coming. See you next time. Wayne Fluid Druids Tournament CoDirector ...................................... : FLUID DRUIDS : : theultimatefrisbeeteam : : Druid@phidelta.demon.co.uk : : http://www.dreamer.demon.co.uk/ : :....................................: From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Feb 10 22:40:06 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id WAA08674; Mon, 10 Feb 1997 22:40:03 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id WAA02690; Mon, 10 Feb 1997 22:37:11 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id WAA02678; Mon, 10 Feb 1997 22:36:42 GMT Received: from phidelta.demon.co.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id WAA08421; Mon, 10 Feb 1997 22:36:35 GMT Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 21:56:14 GMT From: druid@phidelta.demon.co.uk (Fluid Druids Ultimate Team) Reply-To: druid@phidelta.demon.co.uk Message-Id: <4548@phidelta.demon.co.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Newport: Lost Property X-Name: Wayne Retter, Treasurer X-Team: Fluid Druids - theultimatefrisbeeteam X-WWW: http://www.dreamer.demon.co.uk/druids.htm X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Lines: 10 Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Me again - got a big bag full of stuff. Work out what you've got missing and drop me a line. Wayne ...................................... : FLUID DRUIDS : : theultimatefrisbeeteam : : Druid@phidelta.demon.co.uk : : http://www.dreamer.demon.co.uk/ : :....................................: From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Feb 11 10:36:29 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id KAA26564; Tue, 11 Feb 1997 10:36:25 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id KAA11453; Tue, 11 Feb 1997 10:32:54 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id KAA11448; Tue, 11 Feb 1997 10:32:46 GMT Received: from kestrel.mcg.gla.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id KAA25962; Tue, 11 Feb 1997 10:32:45 GMT Received: from mcg1.mcg.gla.ac.uk by kestrel.mcg.gla.ac.uk (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA09468; Tue, 11 Feb 1997 10:22:43 GMT Received: from MCG1/SpoolDir by mcg1.mcg.gla.ac.uk (Mercury 1.21); 11 Feb 97 10:32:44 +1100 Received: from SpoolDir by MCG1 (Mercury 1.21); 11 Feb 97 10:32:39 +1100 From: "David Grayson" Organization: Multimedia Communications Group To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 10:32:38 gmt+1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: pickup in London this weekend? Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.40) Message-ID: <172DB5F0930@mcg1.mcg.gla.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Is there any chance of a pickup game in London this weekend? Dave. Mud Culture. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They say that verbal insults hurt more than physical pain. They are of courese wrong as you are about to find out when I stick this toasting fork in your head. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Feb 11 12:30:08 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id MAA17421; Tue, 11 Feb 1997 12:30:05 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id MAA13255; Tue, 11 Feb 1997 12:26:38 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id MAA13250; Tue, 11 Feb 1997 12:26:32 GMT Received: from dryctnath.mmu.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id MAA16951; Tue, 11 Feb 1997 12:26:30 GMT Received: from ghondr.mmu.ac.uk by dryctnath.mmu.ac.uk with internet SMTP with ESMTP; Tue, 11 Feb 1997 12:26:19 +0000 Received: from MMU-HSS-GHONDR/SpoolDir by ghondr.mmu.ac.uk (Mercury 1.21); 11 Feb 97 12:27:59 +0100 Received: from SpoolDir by MMU-HSS-GHONDR (Mercury 1.30); 11 Feb 97 12:27:29 +0100 From: Lawrence <94853843@mmu.ac.uk> Organization: Manchester Metropolitan University To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 12:27:22 +0100 Subject: Ben Rainbow Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Dear All, There is of course not much I can add to what Rob Mitchell has already said about the tragic death of Ben Rainbow. Ben was a wonderful man who had a profound effect on me and, I think, everybody who met him. He had such energy, charisma and humour that I don't think I have ever met in one single person, before Ben or after. Not only that but he was a bloody good Ultimate player- the player whom I was most in awe of when I began playing with Fingers. Although we had known for a while that he was ill, this doesn't make his death any less shocking or harder to bare. My thoughts are with Ben's family and closer friends. Love and Luck, Lawrence PAULSON. Chair, Fingers 6 (Manchester,UK) Ultimate Frisbee Club. Tel: (0161) 882-0560 Webpage:http://yi.com/home/Fingers6/ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Feb 11 16:04:38 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id QAA28084; Tue, 11 Feb 1997 16:04:23 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id QAA17857; Tue, 11 Feb 1997 16:01:58 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id QAA17850; Tue, 11 Feb 1997 16:01:45 GMT Received: from maila.uscs.susx.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id QAA27681; Tue, 11 Feb 1997 16:01:43 GMT Received: from cs0222.central.susx.ac.uk by maila.uscs.susx.ac.uk with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #2) id m0vuKeq-000XFgC; Tue, 11 Feb 97 16:02 GMT Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 16:00:02 GMT From: Diana Worman Subject: Mohawk practice To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Message-ID: Priority: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk To all old Mohawks... If there are any old Mohawks or Ultimate players hiding out in Brighton, we have a 2 hour practice booked for 8-10pm on Friday evening. Please let me know (Diana Worman) via email if you are interested in playing. All welcome! Thanks Diana scu10@central.sussex.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Feb 11 21:13:40 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id VAA12553; Tue, 11 Feb 1997 21:13:36 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id VAA24118; Tue, 11 Feb 1997 21:10:31 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id VAA24112; Tue, 11 Feb 1997 21:10:21 GMT Received: from phidelta.demon.co.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id VAA12319; Tue, 11 Feb 1997 21:10:13 GMT Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 20:36:08 GMT From: druid@phidelta.demon.co.uk (Fluid Druids Ultimate Team) Reply-To: druid@phidelta.demon.co.uk Message-Id: <4584@phidelta.demon.co.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk, eurodisc@ira.uka.de Subject: Contact Details Change X-Name: Wayne Retter, Treasurer X-Team: Fluid Druids - theultimatefrisbeeteam X-WWW: http://www.dreamer.demon.co.uk/druids.htm X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Lines: 22 Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Chris Hughes has moved house. The new details for the Fluid Druids are now: Chris Hughes 7 Manor Close Breeze Hill Bootle Liverpool L20 9NX ENGLAND +44/0-151-428-2596 and/or this Email address (maintained by Wayne Retter) Regards Wayne ...................................... : FLUID DRUIDS : : theultimatefrisbeeteam : : Druid@phidelta.demon.co.uk : : http://www.dreamer.demon.co.uk/ : :....................................: From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Feb 12 08:36:00 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id IAA18648; Wed, 12 Feb 1997 08:35:55 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id IAA02964; Wed, 12 Feb 1997 08:33:52 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id IAA02959; Wed, 12 Feb 1997 08:33:44 GMT Received: from swissbank.swissbank.com by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id IAA18501; Wed, 12 Feb 1997 08:33:33 GMT Received: by swissbank.swissbank.com with UUCP (4.1/BK-1.9) id AA22827; Wed, 12 Feb 97 02:33:46 CST Received: from il.us.swissbank.com by keymaster.swissbank.com with SMTP (8.6.12/BK-1.12) id CAA29838; Wed, 12 Feb 1997 02:32:38 -0600 Received: from ln1p5208nwk by il.us.swissbank.com (4.1/SBCW oconnor v1.10 97/01/29) id AA24798; Wed, 12 Feb 97 02:30:03 CST Received: by ln1p5208nwk (NX5.67f2/NX3.0S) id AA07650; Wed, 12 Feb 97 08:33:14 GMT Message-Id: <9702120833.AA07650@ln1p5208nwk> Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3risc v124.8483.5) Content-Type: text/plain Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.124.8483.5) From: Yue Wu Date: Wed, 12 Feb 97 08:33:08 GMT To: "David Grayson" Subject: Re: pickup in London this weekend? Cc: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk References: <172DB5F0930@mcg1.mcg.gla.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi folks, The London area team First Touch is hosting a mini-outdoor tournament this Saturday. There will be spots open for pickup/walk on's. We'll play 3 to 5 games of 13 points each. If you are interested, pls meet at Regents Park by the soccer fields at 10:30 a.m. and ask for Yue, --pronounced U.A.--- feel free to send me an email or call at 0171-821-1949 and please let me know if you plan on coming, thank you very much Yue Wu From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Feb 13 16:33:16 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id QAA08652; Thu, 13 Feb 1997 16:33:11 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id QAA08627; Thu, 13 Feb 1997 16:28:18 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id QAA08622; Thu, 13 Feb 1997 16:28:09 GMT Received: from pp2.shef.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id QAA07775; Thu, 13 Feb 1997 16:28:07 GMT Received: from Agden.shef.ac.uk by pp2.shef.ac.uk with local SMTP (PP); Thu, 13 Feb 1997 16:27:51 +0000 Received: from AGDEN/MAILQUEUE by Agden.shef.ac.uk (Mercury 1.21); 13 Feb 97 16:27:51 +0000 Received: from MAILQUEUE by AGDEN (Mercury 1.30); 13 Feb 97 16:27:43 +0000 From: Simon To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 16:27:40 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Bradford co-ed Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.31 Message-ID: <22D95115072@Agden.shef.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk I'm having a bit of trouble contacting anyone from Bradford in order to enter a team for the co-ed there. Has anyone got an up to date contact other than the email address r.evans (which I can't get to work) or Robbie Jackson's details from on the BUF address page. Simon Phat 'eds From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Feb 14 11:50:27 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA18499; Fri, 14 Feb 1997 11:50:19 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id LAA27169; Fri, 14 Feb 1997 11:38:59 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA27163; Fri, 14 Feb 1997 11:38:52 GMT Received: from amsta.leeds.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA16386; Fri, 14 Feb 1997 11:38:49 GMT Received: from newton.leeds.amsta (newton.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.64]) by amsta.leeds.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA24073 for ; Fri, 14 Feb 1997 11:40:42 GMT Received: by newton.leeds.amsta (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA20158; Fri, 14 Feb 1997 11:42:11 GMT Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 11:42:11 GMT From: amtsjh@amsta.leeds.ac.uk (S J Hill) Message-Id: <199702141142.LAA20158@newton.leeds.amsta> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: brad co-ed X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk > I'm having a bit of trouble contacting anyone from Bradford in order > to enter a team for the co-ed there. Has anyone got an up to date > contact other than the email address r.evans (which I can't get to > work) or Robbie Jackson's details from on the BUF address page. If anyone else is having similar probs I *think* that you can get hold of Ralf on 01274 730 485. Although with the weather as nice as it is at the moment I can't imagine why anyone would want to play indoors anyway. oops - contraversial! Si From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Feb 14 14:04:07 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id OAA11165; Fri, 14 Feb 1997 14:04:00 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id OAA00630; Fri, 14 Feb 1997 14:00:23 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id NAA00624; Fri, 14 Feb 1997 13:59:48 GMT From: pbennison@csksoftware.com Received: from quay by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id NAA10101; Fri, 14 Feb 1997 13:59:35 GMT Received: from Tfs by quay with smtp (Aix Smail3.1.29.1 #2) id m0vvOA0-0001KeC; Fri, 14 Feb 97 13:58 GMT Message-Id: Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 13:54:01 +0000 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk, EuroDisc@ira.uka.de Subject: Dublin Ultimate tournament - March 29th and 30th MIME-version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: TFS Gateway /222000000/222030473/222002635/222082120/ Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Dublin Ultimate Tournament March 29th and 30th, 1997 Trinity College (Santry fields), Dublin, Republic of Ireland. Contact: Peter Bennison (peterb@mail.csksoftware.com) Conor Lawlor (H) +353 1 298 7328 (W) +353 1 296 2129 All teams welcome. Accommodation lists/contacts to be provided. =20 There are a limited number of spaces available. Please e-mail for more info. Peter Bennison Pookas From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Feb 14 22:42:44 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id WAA08186; Fri, 14 Feb 1997 22:42:38 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id WAA09447; Fri, 14 Feb 1997 22:38:37 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id WAA09420; Fri, 14 Feb 1997 22:38:27 GMT Received: from sys2.london2.uk.psi.net by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id WAA07948; Fri, 14 Feb 1997 22:38:25 GMT Received: from rwatson.UUCP by sys2.london2.uk.psi.net (8.8.4/SMI-5.5-UKPSINet) id WAA01150; Fri, 14 Feb 1997 22:13:43 GMT From: Wayne_Retter@@watsonwyatt.co.uk Received: from cc:Mail by rwatson.watsonwyatt.co.uk id AA855941908 Fri, 14 Feb 97 09:38:29 Date: Fri, 14 Feb 97 09:38:29 Encoding: 813 Text Message-Id: <9701148559.AA855941908@rwatson.watsonwyatt.co.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Re: Fluid Druids Contact Information Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk All, Whoops, looks like the Druids contact PHONE NUMBER had better be mine until Chris sorts this out: Wayne Retter: 01737-242109(home) 01737-273611(work) 01737-780627(work fax) - should be clearly marked FAO Wayne Retter Wayne ______________________________ Forward Header __________________________________ Subject: Re: Fluid Druids Contact Information Author: HUMCHUGH at ~Internet Date: 13/02/97 23:02 That phone no. I told you about: BT lied to me; apparently it's not mine. According to father if you give it a ring you get some confused old dearie wondering why every one ringing her wants to speak to Chris Hughes. Any way I'm in the processes of determining my 'real' phone no. and I'll let you know what is really is. Bye!!! From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sun Feb 16 17:26:16 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id RAA03296; Sun, 16 Feb 1997 17:26:13 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id RAA10687; Sun, 16 Feb 1997 17:20:51 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id RAA10680; Sun, 16 Feb 1997 17:20:34 GMT Received: from phidelta.demon.co.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id RAA02785; Sun, 16 Feb 1997 17:20:26 GMT Date: Sun, 16 Feb 1997 16:32:45 GMT From: druid@phidelta.demon.co.uk (Fluid Druids Ultimate Team) Reply-To: druid@phidelta.demon.co.uk Message-Id: <4638@phidelta.demon.co.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Ross on Wye 1997 X-Name: Wayne Retter, Treasurer X-Team: Fluid Druids - theultimatefrisbeeteam X-WWW: http://www.dreamer.demon.co.uk/druids.htm X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Lines: 19 Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Plans so far: Ross on Wye Ultimate Tournament 16 and 17 August 1997 same venue 24 teams 6 pitches "Traditional" Format (ie non-Tour) Just so you know to keep a space in your diary. More details to follow... ...................................... : FLUID DRUIDS : : theultimatefrisbeeteam : : Druid@phidelta.demon.co.uk : : http://www.dreamer.demon.co.uk/ : :....................................: From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Feb 17 07:50:59 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id HAA15979; Mon, 17 Feb 1997 07:50:56 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id HAA22884; Mon, 17 Feb 1997 07:48:19 GMT Received: from crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id HAA22877; Mon, 17 Feb 1997 07:48:10 GMT Date: Mon, 17 Feb 1997 07:48:07 GMT From: Mr R C Doswell Message-Id: <19159.199702170748@crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Received: by crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk id HAA19159; Mon, 17 Feb 1997 07:48:07 GMT To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: BUF Events Reminder Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk British Ultimate Federation Disc Events Diary --------------------------------------------- February 1997 ------------- Saturday 22 February 1997 BUF Student Indoor Finals (2 days) @ Leeds (TBC) Frostbreaker Disc Golf Tournament (2 days) @ Whitcombe Farm, Beaminster, Dorset Frostbreaker Disc Golf Tournament (2 days) (Non-Ultimate) @ Whitcombe Farm, Beaminster, Dorset March 1997 ---------- Saturday 1 March 1997 National Indoor Regionals (Midlands) (2 days) @ Cheltenham National Indoor Regionals (Northern) (2 days) @ Salford, Manchester National Indoor Regionals (South East) (2 days) @ Farnborough National Indoor Regionals (South West) (2 days) @ Plymouth Saturday 8 March 1997 Co-Ed Tournament (2 days) @ Bradford Warwick Indoors (2 days) Invitation Only @ Coventry Saturday 15 March 1997 Wolves Indoors (2 days) @ Wolverhampton (???) Sunday 16 March 1997 GB Open Team Practice (1 day) @ TBA Saturday 22 March 1997 National Indoor Finals (2 days) @ Edinburgh April 1997 ---------- Saturday 5 April 1997 BUF Tour I (2 days) @ Hitchin Sunday 13 April 1997 GB Open Team practice (1 day) @ TBA Saturday 19 April 1997 BUF Tour II : Leicester Outdoors (2 days) @ Victoria Park, Leicester Saturday 26 April 1997 Student Outdoors (2 days) TBC @ TBA : Bids to Barry O'Kane May 1997 -------- Saturday 3 May 1997 BUF National Junior Outdoors (2 days) @ TBC Freezzz Beezzz 5th International Outdoor Ultimate Tournament (2 days) (Non-UK event) @ Brugge, BE Sunday 4 May 1997 GB Open Team practice (1 day) @ TBA Saturday 24 May 1997 GB Open Team practice (2 days) @ TBA (Note may be Sat/Sun OR Sun/Mon) Saturday 31 May 1997 BUF Tour III (2 days) @ Swindon June 1997 --------- Saturday 7 June 1997 Red Co-ed Outdoors (2 days) @ Countesthorpe, Leicester Sunday 15 June 1997 GB Open Team practice (1 day) @ TBA Saturday 21 June 1997 BUF Tour IV : Southampton Outdoors (2 days) @ Southampton July 1997 --------- Saturday 5 July 1997 BUF Tour V (2 days) @ Double Locks, Exeter Friday 11 July 1997 Warwick Bears 21st Reunion (3 days) TBC @ University of Warwick Sunday 13 July 1997 GB Open Team practice (1 day) @ TBA (Warwick?) Sunday 27 July 1997 World Ultimate Club Championships (WUCC'97) (7 days) (Non-UK event) @ Vancouver, CA August 1997 ----------- Sunday 10 August 1997 GB Open Team practice (1 day) @ TBA Saturday 16 August 1997 Ross-on-Wye (2 days) TBC @ Ross-On-Wye! Saturday 23 August 1997 1997 BDGA Championships (2 days) (Non-Ultimate) TBC Sunday 24 August 1997 EFDF European Ultimate Championships (7 days) @ Millfield School, Street, Somerset, UK September 1997 -------------- Thursday 11 September 1997 British Open (4 days) Saturday 27 September 1997 BUF National Finals (outdoor) (2 days) @ TBA. Anyone interested contact Si Hill asap. --------------------------------------------------------------- British Ultimate Federation Disc Events Diary http://www.csv.warwick.ac.uk:5201/cgi-bin/diary Ranulf Doswell, ralf@dcs.warwick.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Feb 17 21:08:16 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id VAA18754; Mon, 17 Feb 1997 21:08:12 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id UAA12346; Mon, 17 Feb 1997 20:59:53 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id UAA12340; Mon, 17 Feb 1997 20:59:46 GMT Received: from phidelta.demon.co.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id UAA18050; Mon, 17 Feb 1997 20:59:40 GMT Date: Mon, 17 Feb 1997 20:29:52 GMT From: druid@phidelta.demon.co.uk (Fluid Druids Ultimate Team) Reply-To: druid@phidelta.demon.co.uk Message-Id: <4673@phidelta.demon.co.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk, eurodisc@ira.uka.de Cc: c.hughes1@livjm.ac.uk Subject: Contact Details X-Name: Wayne Retter, Treasurer X-Team: Fluid Druids - theultimatefrisbeeteam X-WWW: http://www.dreamer.demon.co.uk/druids.htm X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Lines: 12 Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Chris Hughes (Fluid Druids contact) new telephone number is: +44/0-151-944-2629 Please note that this is a correction to a previous message. Wayne ...................................... : FLUID DRUIDS : : theultimatefrisbeeteam : : Druid@phidelta.demon.co.uk : : http://www.dreamer.demon.co.uk/ : :....................................: From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Feb 17 23:37:06 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id XAA00749; Mon, 17 Feb 1997 23:37:02 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id XAA15136; Mon, 17 Feb 1997 23:34:43 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id XAA15131; Mon, 17 Feb 1997 23:34:36 GMT Received: from strowger.pass.theplanet.net by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id XAA00583; Mon, 17 Feb 1997 23:34:34 GMT Received: from default(really [194.152.70.22]) by strowger.pass.theplanet.net via sendmail with smtp id for ; Mon, 17 Feb 97 23:34:28 +0000 (GMT) (/\##/\ Smail3.1.30.16 #30.4 built 29-jan-96) Message-ID: <3308E8C0.36@glasgow.prestel.co.uk> Date: Mon, 17 Feb 1997 23:30:34 +0000 From: Michael Johnson Reply-To: mj@glasgow.prestel.co.uk X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Looking for Sneaky's Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Does anybody have the email contact for Sneaky's? I've lost it. And ditto for anything going on in Glasgow. Thanks in advance. mj From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Feb 17 23:39:45 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id XAA00915; Mon, 17 Feb 1997 23:39:43 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id XAA15203; Mon, 17 Feb 1997 23:38:13 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id XAA15198; Mon, 17 Feb 1997 23:38:04 GMT Received: from spuggie.cen.brad.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id XAA00803; Mon, 17 Feb 1997 23:38:02 GMT Received: from kestrel.cen.brad.ac.uk (15937@kestrel.cen.brad.ac.uk [143.53.2.5]) by spuggie.cen.brad.ac.uk (8.8.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA18066 for ; Mon, 17 Feb 1997 23:38:01 GMT Received: (from ajbradfo@localhost) by kestrel.cen.brad.ac.uk (8.8.4/8.8.4) id XAA22439; Mon, 17 Feb 1997 23:37:58 GMT Date: Mon, 17 Feb 1997 23:37:57 +0000 (GMT) From: Andy B X-Sender: ajbradfo@kestrel.cen.brad.ac.uk To: Ultimate Subject: Bradford contacts Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk if anyone is having trouble trying to contact Raplh or people for the bradford co-ed, here is raplhs address and fone number Ralph Nattila-Gilbert 6 Talbot street Bradford West Yorks BD7 1LB (01274 730485) or u can email me A.J.Bradford@bradford.ac.uk bananaskins Andy B 63 Grantham Rd (01274) 743778 Bradford BD7 1RN From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Feb 18 10:31:51 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id KAA14954; Tue, 18 Feb 1997 10:31:46 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id KAA24926; Tue, 18 Feb 1997 10:27:21 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id KAA24921; Tue, 18 Feb 1997 10:27:13 GMT Received: from venus.le.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id KAA14317; Tue, 18 Feb 1997 10:27:12 GMT Received: from hawk.le.ac.uk by venus.le.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Tue, 18 Feb 1997 10:24:42 +0000 Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 10:24:34 +0000 (GMT) From: Scott X-Sender: iws1@hawk To: britdisc Subject: Extra Spaces at Worlds Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Dear BDrs I have just been informed by the Worlds organisation committee that GB can have an extra slot in each of the divisions, Open, Women's and Masters. If anyone teams are interested in going to Worlds then please contact me asap! Spaces in the open division will still go in order of the finish at the BUF nationals meaning priority will go to 7th (Funky Monks) onwards (Tribal Desire..... etc). This is a limited offer only so get back to me asap. Scott /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ SCOTT: Ian Scotland Tel: 0116 2525824 Fax: 0116 2523154 E-mail: iws1@le.ac.uk http://wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk/buf/ /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Feb 18 11:23:29 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA23623; Tue, 18 Feb 1997 11:23:25 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id LAA26188; Tue, 18 Feb 1997 11:18:36 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA26183; Tue, 18 Feb 1997 11:18:27 GMT Received: from hermes.dur.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id LAA22683; Tue, 18 Feb 1997 11:18:25 GMT Received: from venus by hermes.dur.ac.uk id (8.6.12/ for dur.ac.uk) with SMTP; Tue, 18 Feb 1997 11:18:19 GMT Received: from er151-14.dur.ac.uk by venus id ; Tue, 18 Feb 1997 11:18:15 GMT Message-ID: <33098FEF.2C40@smtphost.dur.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 11:18:07 +0000 From: Charmeyne Reply-To: C.C.K.McCollin@durham.ac.uk X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Discs in Durham? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Does anyone know if there is anywhere that supplies discs in the Durham/Newcastle area? If not, could someone give me a name of somewhere that I can get some on mail order? Thanks. Charmeyne McCollin. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Feb 19 18:05:51 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id SAA21732; Wed, 19 Feb 1997 18:05:46 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id SAA07458; Wed, 19 Feb 1997 18:00:24 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id SAA07449; Wed, 19 Feb 1997 18:00:10 GMT Received: from spuggie.cen.brad.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id SAA20998; Wed, 19 Feb 1997 18:00:03 GMT Received: from kite.cen.brad.ac.uk (15937@kite.cen.brad.ac.uk [143.53.2.4]) by spuggie.cen.brad.ac.uk (8.8.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA04583 for ; Wed, 19 Feb 1997 18:00:01 GMT Received: (from ajbradfo@localhost) by kite.cen.brad.ac.uk (8.8.4/8.8.4) id RAA21363; Wed, 19 Feb 1997 17:59:57 GMT Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 17:59:56 +0000 (GMT) From: Andy B X-Sender: ajbradfo@kite.cen.brad.ac.uk To: Ultimate Subject: Irish players Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk are there any irish players out there interested in putting together a pickup team for the dublin tourny? i already have a few people in mind, but could do with about 1/2 dozen more. if anybody even knows anybody in there team who may be not be on email could they let them know im trying to get a select ireland team together. either email me back or give me a bell on the number below. cheers bananaskins Andy B 63 Grantham Rd (01274) 743778 Bradford BD7 1RN From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Feb 19 18:09:00 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id SAA22184; Wed, 19 Feb 1997 18:08:56 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id SAA07525; Wed, 19 Feb 1997 18:04:41 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id SAA07519; Wed, 19 Feb 1997 18:04:34 GMT Received: from swissbank.swissbank.com by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id SAA21549; Wed, 19 Feb 1997 18:04:30 GMT Received: by swissbank.swissbank.com with UUCP (4.1/BK-1.9) id AA08494; Wed, 19 Feb 97 12:04:47 CST Received: from il.us.swissbank.com by keymaster.swissbank.com with SMTP (8.6.12/BK-1.12) id MAA02135; Wed, 19 Feb 1997 12:03:32 -0600 Received: from ln1p5208nwk by il.us.swissbank.com (4.1/SBCW oconnor v1.10 97/01/29) id AA09882; Wed, 19 Feb 97 12:04:10 CST Received: by ln1p5208nwk (NX5.67f2/NX3.0S) id AA03775; Wed, 19 Feb 97 18:04:08 GMT Message-Id: <9702191804.AA03775@ln1p5208nwk> Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3risc v124.8483.5) Content-Type: text/plain Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.124.8483.5) From: Yue Wu Date: Wed, 19 Feb 97 18:04:05 GMT To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Last Sat.'s Frist Touch Outdoor Tournament in London Regents Park References: <1801.199702100748@crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Dear Brit-disc'ers: Last Saturday, the 17th was the sunniest day of the week, and First Touch took the opportunity in stride and held an outdoor tournament in Regents Park in London. A good time was had by all... folks enjoyed the nice weather, showed good spirit, played competitive disc and drank icy beer afterwards as it's meant to be. Thanks to all the teams and players that came out for the day! Special kudos to Mohawks who came down with a full squad. Other teams that were represented were: Village People, Strange Blue and Albatross. A few pick up players showed up as well, and we enjoyed their presence. Four teams were formed: First Touch One Mohawks First Touch Two Scrubbers Special congratulations to team Scrubbers, which is formed of mixed players from different teams. They were able to put it together and have a 3-0 record for the tournament, and won the Bugs Bunny trophy. The Taz-mania trophy went to Mohawks for their good spirit of the game. Scores are as follows: Round 1: First Touch One 13 Mohawks 9 Scrubbers 9 First Touch Two 8 Round 2 First Touch One 11 First Touch Two 7 Scrubbers 13 Mohawks 6 Round 3 Scrubbers 13 First Touch One 8 Mohawks 13 First Touch Two 8 Thanks again to everyone who came out! It was great fun, and we look forward to doing this again in the future. Team First Touch From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Feb 20 10:12:07 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id KAA07133; Thu, 20 Feb 1997 10:12:02 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id KAA20259; Thu, 20 Feb 1997 10:09:11 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id KAA20253; Thu, 20 Feb 1997 10:09:04 GMT Received: from venus.le.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id KAA06693; Thu, 20 Feb 1997 10:09:02 GMT Received: from hawk.le.ac.uk by venus.le.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Thu, 20 Feb 1997 10:06:32 +0000 Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 10:06:29 +0000 (GMT) From: Scott X-Sender: iws1@hawk To: britdisc Subject: dundee ultimate (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Dear BDers, Seeing as the contact list has already gone to press I thought it best to forward this email to Britdisc.... Scott ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 17:04:11 GMT From: COLIN LENNOX To: iws1@leicester.ac.uk Subject: dundee ultimate dear ian, this is wobbles (colin lennox) from dundee uni and i got a wee message from one of the bradford frisbee boys. they said to e-mail you with all me details and that you'd put us on the frisbee contact list on the web. we've just started to play and don't even have a name yet but we figured it'd be good to be on the mailing list and find out stuff about tournaments and stuff and maybe even get some new players. anyway , here's my chat: colin lennox 56 seafield road DUNDEE DD1 4NW tel; 01382 229148 we'd really appreciate being put on the list so cheers. later. WOBBLES From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Feb 20 11:40:22 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA22165; Thu, 20 Feb 1997 11:40:17 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id LAA22086; Thu, 20 Feb 1997 11:35:39 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA22081; Thu, 20 Feb 1997 11:35:22 GMT Received: from strowger.pass.theplanet.net by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA21346; Thu, 20 Feb 1997 11:35:10 GMT Received: from Default(really [195.92.2.43]) by strowger.pass.theplanet.net via sendmail with smtp id for ; Thu, 20 Feb 97 11:34:16 +0000 (GMT) (/\##/\ Smail3.1.30.16 #30.4 built 29-jan-96) Message-Id: Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Michael Johnson" To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 11:31:12 +0000 Subject: Thanks Re:looking for sneeeky's Reply-to: mj@glasgow.prestel.co.uk X-Confirm-Reading-To: mj@glasgow.prestel.co.uk X-pmrqc: 1 Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.01) Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk thanks to everyone who responded to me request. I've now got all the info I needed. Regards, mj Michael Johnson From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Feb 20 12:01:21 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id MAA26024; Thu, 20 Feb 1997 12:01:05 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id LAA22571; Thu, 20 Feb 1997 11:54:21 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA22565; Thu, 20 Feb 1997 11:54:12 GMT Received: from oxmail4.ox.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id LAA24754; Thu, 20 Feb 1997 11:54:10 GMT Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk by oxmail4 with SMTP (PP) with ESMTP; Thu, 20 Feb 1997 11:52:39 +0000 Received: (from immd0001@localhost) by ermine.ox.ac.uk (1.1/8.8.3) id LAA20569; Thu, 20 Feb 1997 11:54:06 GMT Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 11:54:06 +0000 (GMT) From: paul meaney To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Northern Qualifiers (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="-556882451-163402704-856368351=:17058" Content-ID: Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info. ---556882451-163402704-856368351=:17058 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-ID: Here Follows a Message for all teams in the North of Britain : Mud Kulture Sneeekys Flying Sorcerors Dundee Stirling Catch 22 Chevron Action Flash Fingers 6 Zebedees Disciples Jedi Children Phat Eds Reservoir Fish Tricky Gangsters West Nottinghamshire College I have just been in touch with Tim Andrews the TD for your Regional Qualifier and he has informed me that with 12 days to go prior to the tournament, HE HAS NO CONFIRMED ENTRIES FOR THE TOURNAMENT. What are the lot of you playing at??? That is too crap for WORDS!!!!! The finals are in Edinburgh for the first time, the capital of Scotland and not one team in the North is willing to send a team to qualify??? A ruling has been made. You have until 10 p.m. Monday Night (that is the 24th of febuary) to register your team(s). If Tim informs me that fewer than 8 teams have entered (which is cutting it *bloody* fine and also in fairness to the TD's who are organising this event), then I will declare the Northern Qualifiers NULL and VOID and NO team from The North will qualify. IN ADDITION - to recompense Tim for any financial expenditures incurred in cancellation of Hall bookings I will send an invoice to EVERY TEAM IN THE NORTHERN DIVISION, regardless of wether you have a legitimate reason for not attending to ensure that Tim does not end up out of pocket.He was the only one who bothered to put in a bid, I do not intend to see him end up short. Each team has known for MONTHS when the qualifiers were. There is no excuse for this kind of attitude. So, to diplomatically and tactfully sum up: Get off your BLOODY ARSES you LAZY BUGGERS!!!!!!!! Paul, Indoor Director of Competitions //////////////////////////////////\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ ****************************************************************************** Kryten: sir, you must forgive Mr Rimmer, he's suffering from a stress- related nervous disorder Lister: Next time I see him he'll be suffering from a fist- related teeth disorder ****************************************************************************** \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\//////////////////////////////////////////// ---556882451-163402704-856368351=:17058-- From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Feb 20 15:20:00 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id PAA04956; Thu, 20 Feb 1997 15:19:54 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id PAA28248; Thu, 20 Feb 1997 15:11:04 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id PAA28243; Thu, 20 Feb 1997 15:10:56 GMT Received: from amsta.leeds.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id PAA03395; Thu, 20 Feb 1997 15:10:54 GMT Received: from newton.leeds.amsta (newton.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.64]) by amsta.leeds.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA19315 for ; Thu, 20 Feb 1997 15:12:47 GMT Received: by newton.leeds.amsta (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id PAA28650; Thu, 20 Feb 1997 15:14:26 GMT Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 15:14:26 GMT From: amtsjh@amsta.leeds.ac.uk (S J Hill) Message-Id: <199702201514.PAA28650@newton.leeds.amsta> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Unfortunately.... X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk ... we have had to move again. Hi Folks. New address details for Si and Jackie Hill, and thus for CATCH 22 and Director of Competitions. ******************* 532d Whitehall Road New Farnley LEEDS LS12 5HZ Phone: 0113 289 0971 ******************** I presume I have missed the latest contact list - but I didn't know the phone no. till yesterday - and the whole thing was touch and go until Monday anyway. Sorry. Cheers Si From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sat Feb 22 17:13:05 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id RAA18058; Sat, 22 Feb 1997 17:13:01 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id RAA14003; Sat, 22 Feb 1997 17:10:46 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id RAA13998; Sat, 22 Feb 1997 17:10:33 GMT Received: from mailhost.atlas.co.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id RAA17833; Sat, 22 Feb 1997 17:10:24 GMT Received: from [193.132.228.147] by mailhost.atlas.co.uk (4.1/PIPEX simple 1.9) id AA09876; Sat, 22 Feb 97 17:13:11 GMT Message-Id: <9702221713.AA09876@mailhost.atlas.co.uk> Subject: Ultimatum at the Kite Store, London Date: Sat, 22 Feb 97 17:15:49 +0000 From: Paul Hurt To: "BritDisc" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi all... Ultimatum on sale at Covent Garden's Kite Store =============================================== Back when I was a wee lad, the only place in London where you could buy decent US-made discs was the Kite Store in Covent Garden. It's taken me till now to pay them a return visit, and I'm happy to say that they are still doing a good trade in specialist plastic. They keep Ultrastars in stock (at a comparatively reasonable price too) plus a variety of other discs from both Discraft and Wham-O. I'm happy to report that you can now also pick up ULTIMATUM at the Kite Store - I delivered a stack of copies of Issue 34 (Worlds 96 review) to them today (Friday 21st Feb). If you're ever in the Covent Garden area, drop by and pay Andy there a visit. Support your local disc retailer! The Kite Store is at: 69 Neal Street Covent Garden London WC2 0171 836 1666 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Hurt Editor, Ultimatum Magazine, London, England e-mail aflitho@macline.co.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sat Feb 22 18:55:00 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id SAA23981; Sat, 22 Feb 1997 18:54:57 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id SAA15243; Sat, 22 Feb 1997 18:52:54 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id SAA15238; Sat, 22 Feb 1997 18:52:45 GMT Received: from phidelta.demon.co.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id SAA23892; Sat, 22 Feb 1997 18:52:31 GMT Date: Sat, 22 Feb 1997 18:48:48 GMT From: Wayne@phidelta.demon.co.uk (Wayne Retter) Reply-To: Wayne@phidelta.demon.co.uk Message-Id: <4754@phidelta.demon.co.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Reebok Pit Bulls X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Lines: 13 Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reebok Pit Bulls the Reebok equivalent of Nike Sharks, previously unavailable in the UK are currently in stock in branches of "Marc Jasons Shoeworld". 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Prices, approx 25 to 30 quid -------------------------- Wayne Retter Wayne@phidelta.demon.co.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Feb 24 07:50:08 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id HAA05991; Mon, 24 Feb 1997 07:50:05 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id HAA10610; Mon, 24 Feb 1997 07:48:17 GMT Received: from crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id HAA10605; Mon, 24 Feb 1997 07:48:10 GMT Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 07:48:07 GMT From: Mr R C Doswell Message-Id: <22315.199702240748@crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Received: by crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk id HAA22315; Mon, 24 Feb 1997 07:48:07 GMT To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: BUF Events Reminder Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk British Ultimate Federation Disc Events Diary --------------------------------------------- March 1997 ---------- Saturday 1 March 1997 National Indoor Regionals (Midlands) (2 days) @ Cheltenham National Indoor Regionals (Northern) (2 days) @ Salford, Manchester National Indoor Regionals (South East) (2 days) @ Farnborough National Indoor Regionals (South West) (2 days) @ Plymouth Saturday 8 March 1997 Co-Ed Tournament (2 days) @ Bradford Warwick Indoors (2 days) Invitation Only @ Coventry Saturday 15 March 1997 Wolves Indoors (2 days) @ Wolverhampton (???) Sunday 16 March 1997 GB Open Team Practice (1 day) @ TBA Saturday 22 March 1997 National Indoor Finals (2 days) @ Edinburgh April 1997 ---------- Saturday 5 April 1997 BUF Tour I (2 days) @ Hitchin Sunday 13 April 1997 GB Open Team practice (1 day) @ TBA Saturday 19 April 1997 BUF Tour II : Leicester Outdoors (2 days) @ Victoria Park, Leicester Saturday 26 April 1997 Student Outdoors (2 days) TBC @ TBA : Bids to Barry O'Kane May 1997 -------- Saturday 3 May 1997 BUF National Junior Outdoors (2 days) @ TBC Freezzz Beezzz 5th International Outdoor Ultimate Tournament (2 days) (Non-UK event) @ Brugge, BE Sunday 4 May 1997 GB Open Team practice (1 day) @ TBA Saturday 24 May 1997 GB Open Team practice (2 days) @ TBA (Note may be Sat/Sun OR Sun/Mon) Saturday 31 May 1997 BUF Tour III (2 days) @ Swindon June 1997 --------- Saturday 7 June 1997 Red Co-ed Outdoors (2 days) @ Countesthorpe, Leicester Sunday 15 June 1997 GB Open Team practice (1 day) @ TBA Saturday 21 June 1997 BUF Tour IV : Southampton Outdoors (2 days) @ Southampton July 1997 --------- Saturday 5 July 1997 BUF Tour V (2 days) @ Double Locks, Exeter Friday 11 July 1997 Warwick Bears 21st Reunion (3 days) TBC @ University of Warwick Sunday 13 July 1997 GB Open Team practice (1 day) @ TBA (Warwick?) Sunday 27 July 1997 World Ultimate Club Championships (WUCC'97) (7 days) (Non-UK event) @ Vancouver, CA August 1997 ----------- Sunday 10 August 1997 GB Open Team practice (1 day) @ TBA Saturday 16 August 1997 Ross-on-Wye (2 days) TBC @ Ross-On-Wye! Saturday 23 August 1997 1997 BDGA Championships (2 days) (Non-Ultimate) TBC Sunday 24 August 1997 EFDF European Ultimate Championships (7 days) @ Millfield School, Street, Somerset, UK September 1997 -------------- Thursday 11 September 1997 British Open (4 days) Saturday 27 September 1997 BUF National Finals (outdoor) (2 days) @ TBA. Anyone interested contact Si Hill asap. --------------------------------------------------------------- British Ultimate Federation Disc Events Diary http://www.csv.warwick.ac.uk:5201/cgi-bin/diary Ranulf Doswell, ralf@dcs.warwick.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Feb 24 11:20:44 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA02333; Mon, 24 Feb 1997 11:20:40 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id LAA14909; Mon, 24 Feb 1997 11:17:06 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA14890; Mon, 24 Feb 1997 11:16:58 GMT Received: from dryctnath.mmu.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA01695; Mon, 24 Feb 1997 11:16:56 GMT Received: from ghondr.mmu.ac.uk by dryctnath.mmu.ac.uk with internet SMTP with ESMTP; Mon, 24 Feb 1997 11:16:22 +0000 Received: from MMU-HSS-GHONDR/SpoolDir by ghondr.mmu.ac.uk (Mercury 1.21); 24 Feb 97 11:18:21 +0100 Received: from SpoolDir by MMU-HSS-GHONDR (Mercury 1.30); 24 Feb 97 11:17:46 +0100 From: Lawrence PAULSON <94853843@mmu.ac.uk> Organization: Manchester Metropolitan University To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 11:17:42 +0100 Subject: Usual Subjective Report Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <1F731DE2D91@ghondr.mmu.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Dear Frisbee Flingers, This weekend saw the finals of the student indoor championships in Leeds, and Fingers were there representing the Midlands (!). First casualties of the tournament were ?Chaos (I think) who scratched and Jedi Children (as hosts and 5th place finishers in the Northerns) replaced them. Second casualty was the car bringing a significant number of our team and so we played our first game against eventual finallists Skunks, with only 5 players (one of whom was a member of our 2nd team who'd just turned up to cheer us on...). Not surprising then, we lost. However we can't blame lack of numbers for a lack of success, because we also managed to lose our next 2 pool games and a Plate QF with a full compliment of players, losing to OW!, Jedi Kids and Sneeekys (who had just been edged out of the top half in a sudden death cross-over with Mythago). Saturday night was spent at "The Dry Dock" a pub made out of a boat (not on water), and the Poly Union (those who had the stamina). Sunday we managed to continue our impressive run of form losing to Bradford (on a full size pitch with sideline and everything) before facing a last place showdown with Cranfield's "Alien Nation", the first time our two clubs had met and with the prize being not only pride but the wooden spoon. BY this time, we frankly didn't give a flying f*ck whether we won or lost (except pride of course), and this was reflected in our game as we relaxed a bit, lost our tension and finally won, giving us the coveted and prestigious 15th spot. Meanwhile, elsewhere, hot favourites Catch 22 survived a wobble in their pool games, almost losing to Jesters, to make the final: overcoming most teams by their remarkable hucking abilities and physical presence: where they met and overcame Skunks. In a sometimes heated final: Catch's commitment to accurate rule calling collided with most students teams' more relaxed attitude, and caused some tempers to rise. However ( I think) they were all friends at the end. In the lower half, Phat 'Eds (there you go Jez, I've given you a mention) beat Sneeekys to win the plate; or rather the Storm Trooper Vase (in another close final)- showing the benefit of having a points cap as well as a time limit, and Sneeeky's were also the winners of the Spirit award (good for them!). As we've now come to expect from the Leeds Ultimate community, the tournament was conducted very smoothly, with Pete in charge and the rest of the Jedi's helping out, and throughout the Spirit seemed to be alive and well. Here the placings I know of...(hopefully someone will post the full list later): 1.Catch 22 2.Skunks 3.Mohawks 4.Bears ? 9.Phat'Eds 10.Sneeekys PLUS Spirit 14.Picnic In The Sky 15.Fingers 6 16.Alien Nation Anyways, now we've lulled everyone into a false sense of security by finishing 15th, Fingers will be back with a vengeance next week, so watch out Edinburgh- here we come! Love and Luck, Lawrence PAULSON. Chair, Fingers 6 (Manchester,UK) Ultimate Frisbee Club. Tel: (0161) 882-0560 Webpage:http://yi.com/home/Fingers6/ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Feb 24 16:53:20 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id QAA04849; Mon, 24 Feb 1997 16:53:14 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id QAA23947; Mon, 24 Feb 1997 16:48:24 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id QAA23937; Mon, 24 Feb 1997 16:48:15 GMT Received: from pillar.elsevier.co.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id QAA03812; Mon, 24 Feb 1997 16:48:13 GMT Received: from snowdon.elsevier.co.uk (snowdon.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.197.164]) by pillar.elsevier.co.uk (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id QAA03557 for ; Mon, 24 Feb 1997 16:46:22 GMT Received: from ELSEVIER.CO.UK (actually host eslgate.elsevier.co.uk) by snowdon.elsevier.co.uk with SMTP (PP); Mon, 24 Feb 1997 16:48:09 +0000 Received: from ES#u#OXF-Message_Server by ELSEVIER.CO.UK with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 24 Feb 1997 16:47:35 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 16:47:11 +0000 From: Toby Green To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk, eurodisc@ira.uka.de Subject: Whitcombe Farm Frostbreaker Disc Golf - Results Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk On a mild, damp and windy weekend a total of 23 players and some hangers-on played three and half rounds, and saw one of the course records smashed. Oz Freire on the first round of the day scored an amazing 11 below par 51 on the Old Course. This feat broke all, and he stormed to a 16 stroke victory over Sam Neilson. Derek Robins, well out of the hunt over the first three rounds and lying sixth, clawed back three places to finish third over the final ten. 1. Oz Freire 216* (3 rounds of 18, plus 10 hole final round) 2. Sam Neilson 232 3. Derek Robins 235 4= Liam Young 236 Sean Young 6 ingo Piroth 239 7 Bud Tilton 254 8 Ivan Brommage 255 9 Pete Monk 257 10 Conor Davis 258 11 Toby Green 268 12 Tony Wakeford 270 13 Richard Sampson 238 (3 rounds of 18) 14 Neal Pickett 238 15 Zane Colman 244 16 Helen Myers 248 17 Nick Young 252 18= Daniel Luton 270 Thomas Bierwurth 20 Paul Knutton 350 21 Spencer Worth 91 (18 holes) 22 Ruth Lissaman 97 23 Hannah Lewis 98 Also played: Charlie Mead (9 holes, left handed) 31 Oliver Luton (aged 7, 9 holes) 47 *Established new course record on the Old Course of 51. Previous record holder: Derek Robins, 54 on 15 June 1996. I've got a pair of blue waterproof trousers and a waterproof anorak with a Burnlaw course map in the pocket - claimants? NEXT TOURNAMENT - Whitcombe Classic, June 28/29, UK Tour Event. Toby Green 74 Old High Street Headington Oxford OX3 9HW From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Feb 24 17:57:36 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id RAA15873; Mon, 24 Feb 1997 17:57:31 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id RAA25546; Mon, 24 Feb 1997 17:55:21 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id RAA25538; Mon, 24 Feb 1997 17:55:11 GMT Received: from mps2.leeds.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id RAA15564; Mon, 24 Feb 1997 17:55:08 GMT Received: from ecu-01.novell.leeds.ac.uk (ecu-01.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.124.3]) by mps2.leeds.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA22492 for ; Mon, 24 Feb 1997 17:56:55 GMT Received: from LUCS-H23/SpoolDir by ecu-01.novell.leeds.ac.uk (Mercury 1.21); 24 Feb 97 17:55:17 GMT0BST Received: from SpoolDir by LUCS-H23 (Mercury 1.30); 24 Feb 97 17:54:47 GMT0BST From: "P.J. COTTON" Organization: University of Leeds To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 17:54:23 GMT Subject: Student Indoors Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <9AF0832AD@ecu-01.novell.leeds.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk BUF Student Indoor National Championships Febuary 22/23rd 1997 @ Leeds University TD: Pete Cotton & Amy Griffiths 1. Catch 22 2. Skunks I 3. Mowhawks 4. Bears 5. Ow! 6. Jesters 7. Flying Sorcerers 8. Mythago 9. Phat Ed's (Plate) 10. Sneeekys (Spirit) 11. Jedi (hosts) 12. Skunks II 13. Disciples 14. Picnic in the sky 15. Fingers 6 16. Alien Nation (Cranfield) I suppose you have read Laurence's report already so I will keep this brief... A very high standard of play in this years finals, even the bottom placed team (Alien Nation) proving to be no push overs. The group games went with the seedings apart from Picnic suffering from a loss of form. Avoiding unneccessary crossover games meant more play on the huge 35m pitch as things began to get interesting. The mighty Skunks and Catch powered their way through the Q/F's but there were close games between Fingers and Sneeeky's, Jesters and Bears, Disciples and Jedi with all the formers losing to the latters in sudden death caps (all 8-9). Special mention to Jedi's Bruce for an outstanding over head World's for a score! Picnic produced some of their best play of the day in the cap against Phat Ed's but it was too little to late. Sunday's play produced longer caps as the games became tighter, Sorcerers unlucky against Ow! in their bid for the top 6, losing on the last point. In the Plate semi's Phat Ed's cruised past Skunks II and Sneeekys traded points with Jedi until geting two ahead before the cap and managing to keep their lead. (All this despite my attempts to prevent the Sneeeks from sleeping.) Mowhawks succumbed to Skunks 10 - 6 and Bears were firmly removed by Catch 16 - 4 in the championship semi's. The play offs for final postions were entertaing games (all 22 mins + cap!) Fingers having to battle to finally beat Alien Nation, Leeds beat Southampton for the first time in the day (but only after sudden death), Jesters just losing out to Ow! 8-9 for 5th place. In the Plate final Sneeekys made Phat Ed's work hard for their prize, taking it 11 - 9. The final itself was intensely competed, all calls being discussed intelligently before resuming play. Catch managed a 4 - 0 lead before Skunks came back, Bob Himms and Sonic dueling like flying aces. However in the end Bob was the Biggles, awarded MVP by an independant judge, as Catch took it 11 - 6. One thing I found when organising this event is the importance of keeping your contact address updated with the BUF (not that I am blaming anyone!), here are some alterations to the list distributed in October(?): Disciples Richard Evans 98 Arncliffe Terr. Bradford BD7 2DQ Chaos Cathy 8 Ashridge Court Reservoir Road Oakwood London N14 4BE 0181 882 1797 Jesters Neils 142 Howard Road Clarendon Park Leicester LE2 1XJ 0116 212 8158 Lost Property: Give me a mail to claim the following: Grantham sport tracky b's longsleeve green Burton top Sothampton jogging top Waterproof with gloves keys - tagged 'lab books' v necked top, taikwondo connection If requested we can take these to the national indoors regionals and then to the finals in Edinburgh. Thanks to every one for coming and playing hard, see ya soon. Pete From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Feb 24 23:11:32 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id XAA20392; Mon, 24 Feb 1997 23:11:28 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id XAA01234; Mon, 24 Feb 1997 23:09:01 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id XAA01227; Mon, 24 Feb 1997 23:08:51 GMT Received: from dub-img-4.compuserve.com by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id XAA20164; Mon, 24 Feb 1997 23:08:49 GMT Received: by dub-img-4.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id SAA11102; Mon, 24 Feb 1997 18:08:18 -0500 Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 18:08:00 -0500 From: Stuart Clark Subject: Tournament reports - Juniors and Forthcoming regionals. To: Britdisc Message-ID: <199702241808_MC2-11AD-AD01@compuserve.com> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Dear all, This is a request re: tournament reports. Firstly, is there one in the pipeline about the National Juniors Indoors? It's been over a week now and none of the Ultimate community know what went on there at Millfield. Do we care? Yes I think we do, and if we don't, I think we ought to. The lack of a report might suggest to all those juniors who took part that the Ultimate community at large isn't really interested in Juniors Ultimate, and if that's true (which I don't think it is), then that's very sad :-( How are juniors going to get enthusiastic if this is the "vibe" we are giving them. OK, that's a bit of whinge. So, whinge over, now a request. Can I ask all the TD's of the National Indoor Qualifiers to either (a) write a report and/or results listing for their respective tournaments, or (b) nominate someone (preferably someone whose happy to do it) to write the report/results listing for them; and then bung it on Britdisc. The sort of thing we're looking for is a brief, objective overview (50-150 words, 150 being the absolute max.) of the tournament - we want to hear about close games, upsets, plate final, final - score of the final would also be appreciated (and plate final if you're really keen). The report itself is not an absolute requirement (but would be preferable), but the results listing IS, and it's important that we have the FULL results (including spirit winners, spoon, plate and obviously the trophy winners). It's pointless us having a professional looking Ultimatum if the material that's in it is distinctly amateurish. Knowing who came 1st, 2nd, 4th and 12th isn't very helpful to the cause. All tournament results are important but this is Nationals which makes it an extra special case. Let's have a little bit of pride about our sport and do a good job. I'm quite happy to do the SE, if there's anyone out there reading this who wants to write up the SW, Mids and North - then please make yourself known to me (so I can chase you up after the event) and also to the TD's at the weekend so they know someone's got the job in hand. TD's: If no one tells you they're covering your region then it is kinda important that you nominate someone to take it on (if you don't want to do it yourself) or at least post a results listing if you don't nominate somebody. OK, any volunteers? We're quite happy to be approached by new tournament reporters, so if you haven't written a report before, take a look at the reports in the last Ultimatum to see the sort of thing we want. One last word of advice, if you take the job on, write the report as soon as you can after the event. After a day or two, the fine details get hazy, after four or five days you start to forget placings and after a week, the crusty bit of paper you had everything written down on is a ball of soggy mush in the bottom of your washing machine with the rest of the Kleenex you forgot to take out of your pockets, and even if you can salvage it with a hair dryer - chances are the writing will be illegible! OK, that's it. Good luck to everyone at Qualifiers this weekend - even if you don't qualify I hope you all have great fun at your respective tournaments. Stu Clark VILLAGE PERSON (and he knows he is) Ultimatum tournament reports editor. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Feb 25 00:05:20 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id AAA24001; Tue, 25 Feb 1997 00:05:15 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id AAA02499; Tue, 25 Feb 1997 00:03:38 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id AAA02492; Tue, 25 Feb 1997 00:03:27 GMT Received: from mailhost.atlas.co.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id AAA23835; Tue, 25 Feb 1997 00:03:24 GMT Received: from by mailhost.atlas.co.uk (4.1/PIPEX simple 1.9) id AB22303; Tue, 25 Feb 97 00:06:12 GMT Message-Id: <9702250006.AB22303@mailhost.atlas.co.uk> Subject: Contact List - last chance... Date: Tue, 25 Feb 97 00:08:51 +0000 From: Paul Hurt To: "BritDisc" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi all LAST CHANCE TO GET YOUR CONTACT DETAILS RIGHT ============================================= Pete Cotton wrote: >One thing I found when organising this event is the importance of >keeping your contact address updated with the BUF (not that I am >blaming anyone!), here are some alterations to the list distributed in >October(?): etc... You'll be glad to know that Ultimatum Update contains a complete contact list. For various reasons (okay, one little reason in particular) the Update is delayed. I'm fighting to get the darn thing out by Regionals this weekend. This gives you one last chance to get your contact details published right. If the details for your team have changed since Scott sent out a contact list late last year, or were actually printed incorrectly in that list, AND YOU HAVEN'T COMMUNICATED THAT CHANGE TO HIM, please let ME know ASAP (like today/tomorrow a.m. latest). Thanks. P.S. regarding Pete's posting, can anyone fill in the gaps... Disciples - no telephone or E-mail? Chaos - Cathy ???? who? Jesters - Neil(s)... eh, what? E-mail? --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Hurt Editor, Ultimatum Magazine, London, England e-mail aflitho@macline.co.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Feb 25 10:07:01 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id KAA02054; Tue, 25 Feb 1997 10:06:55 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id KAA10180; Tue, 25 Feb 1997 10:02:30 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id KAA10170; Tue, 25 Feb 1997 10:02:20 GMT Received: from stone.dcs.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id KAA01187; Tue, 25 Feb 1997 10:02:17 GMT From: Ralf Message-Id: <7509.199702251002@stone.dcs.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: From Toby Green To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 10:02:14 +0000 (GMT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25 PGP2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 10:39:51 +0000 From: Toby Green To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk, eurodisc@ira.uka.de Subject: Wall City and/or Z Creation? Does anyone know how I can get in touch with either Wall City or Z Creation, both manufacturers of bumbags? Any help much appreciated - thanks in advance. Toby Green From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Feb 25 10:18:36 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id KAA03735; Tue, 25 Feb 1997 10:18:31 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id KAA10484; Tue, 25 Feb 1997 10:14:56 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id KAA10457; Tue, 25 Feb 1997 10:14:37 GMT Received: from dns0.curved-logic.com by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id KAA03135; Tue, 25 Feb 1997 10:14:34 GMT Received: from pc15.curved-logic.com by dns0.curved-logic.com id aa06984; 25 Feb 97 11:16 GMT Received: by pc15.curved-logic.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BC2303.84F42C80@pc15.curved-logic.com>; Tue, 25 Feb 1997 10:06:08 -0000 Message-ID: <01BC2303.84F42C80@pc15.curved-logic.com> From: Kevin Lowe To: "'Britdisc'" Cc: "'Eurodisc'" Subject: BUF National Junior Indoors Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 10:06:06 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk OK, I give in, I'll write something in the absence of any juniors = emailing. So much for empowering the youth of today. February 15/16 saw the third National Junior Indoors. Hosted at = Millfield school (location for this year's European Championships), 13 = junior teams took part and an 'Old Gits' team was quickly formed to make = up the numbers to form two pools of seven. Tournament Director Vaughan Williams had done a brilliant job in = planning the event, and handled the obligatory 'problems' extremely = well. First glitch was that the Tennis velodrome that had been built had = a concrete floor, laid that week. Most people who play indoor Ultimate = would refuse to even go onto a concrete pitch, but it was surprisingly = good. OK, so only a couple of idiots laid out, but the pitch was the = full 40 x 20 Metre size with no walls anywhere near the pitch. The grip = was perfect for cuts (in both senses of the word). Then came the problem with shoe soles. It doesn't matter if Nike, Hi = Tec, Adidas, etc. have spent x million pounds developing non-marking = black soles; if they are black, you can't wear them on the pitch. Bone = (Cavendish school) had to have all of their games rescheduled to the = other hall, as three of their players had black soles. Ironically, it = was the light soled shoes that left more marks on their new surface. By = the end of the first day, we had been banned from using the velodrome. = Thank God Millfield school has three sports halls, so the 'chuck around' = hall now became the second hall. It didn't affect the schedule much, as = the top 8 teams had already decided to play the knockout matches in the = 'proper surface' hall.=20 The only other hiccup with the weekend was that Hint of Lime had entered = two even teams, but had been seeded as if they were a first and a second = team. That caused a few upsets, and resulted in the top two seeds being = knocked out at the quarter final stage. Following the opening pool matches, Hint of Lemon, Discult, Nads and = Hurricanes from Blue pool, and Blue Arse Flies, Hint of Lime, Muts and = Bone from Red pool went into the top 8, leaving Dane Raiders, Tattva, = Low Flying Children, Flowering Garden, Dump Frenzy and Terrestrials (Old = Gits) in the plate. Major upsets in the quarter finals as Muts (Millfield) convincingly put = out Discult (both playing iron person). Hint of Lime went out to Nads, = Blue Arse Flies beat Bone, and Hint of Lemon disposed of Bone. The semis = were close, but Blue Arse Flies and Hint of Lemon both came through to = meet in the final. The final was a very close affair, with very few mistakes from either = team. Lemon started to get more interceptions, and pulled away to win by = 5 or so (sorry, I can't remember any of the scores). Both of these teams = have some very talented players, and will be worrying a lot of open = teams at future tournaments. There wasn't an MVP award, but I would have = certainly voted for Alex from Lemon who has only been playing for 6 = months, and is definitely made from the Nick Haslem mold. Lower down, Discult beat Lime in the 5/6 playoff (Caroline was not = impressed when she found herself chasing the disc when Discult, still = iron person, pulled a zone D), and in the plate, Flowering Garden beat a = rapidly improving Dump Frenzy.=20 Overall, the standard has greatly improved, which is surprising in a = year that didn't have Oxy 7, Lemmings, or Gooie playing. Spirit was = always good, and their knowledge and abidance of the rules has also = improved (something junior teams often get criticised for). One reason = for the improvement is that more Ultimate players are getting involved = in coaching junior teams.=20 There was, as usual, a demonstration game between GB Juniors and the = Coaches. Same old story, Coaches take a nice lead, then get tired and = start moaning that they're getting too old for this. Juniors won 10-6 = with Sammy (13 years old) scoring the most points for the juniors. Nice = point block by Chris on Patch hasn't improved his chances of captaining = GB Juniors at the Worlds next year. Many thanks to Vaughan and all the people who helped to run this = tournament. The facilities were excellent, and there really was very = little that could have been improved upon. Next up is the National = Junior Outdoors to be hosted by Hint of Lime in Gosport on May 3rd and = 4th. Invites will be going in the next fortnight. Kevin. --- Final placings. Hint of Lemon - Gosport Blue Arse Flies - Evesham Nads - Newport, Shropshire Muts - Glastonbury Discult - Exeter Hint of Lime - Gosport Bone - Eastbourne Hurricane - Letchwort, Hertfordshire Flowering Garden - Carshalton Dump Frenzy - Croydon Dane Raiders - Glastonbury Tattva - Worcester Low Flying Children - Derby Terrestrials - Old Gits (last by default). --=20 | E-mail Kev@Curved-logic.com Phone (+44)1244-382371 | Q. Which is the greater problem in the world today, Ignorance or = Apathy? | A. I don't know, and I really don't care! From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Feb 25 15:25:55 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id PAA29006; Tue, 25 Feb 1997 15:25:47 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id PAA17901; Tue, 25 Feb 1997 15:21:14 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id PAA17893; Tue, 25 Feb 1997 15:20:53 GMT Received: from amsta.leeds.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id PAA28003; Tue, 25 Feb 1997 15:20:49 GMT Received: from newton.leeds.amsta (newton.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.64]) by amsta.leeds.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA06812 for ; Tue, 25 Feb 1997 15:22:42 GMT Received: by newton.leeds.amsta (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id PAA00722; Tue, 25 Feb 1997 15:24:27 GMT Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 15:24:27 GMT From: amtsjh@amsta.leeds.ac.uk (S J Hill) Message-Id: <199702251524.PAA00722@newton.leeds.amsta> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Tour!??! X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi (again) I am nearly ready with all the info teams will need to enter the TOUR. The whole thing will be sent out asap, but I will now wait for the latest version of the contact list. The dates are in the diary, and get sent out on email every week. For each tournament, you can enter in advance, by paying a deposit to an as-yet-undisclosed address!! - nb not mine. If the events are over-subscribed there is a mixture of using rankings and first-pay, first-in to decide who gets to play in a given tournament. So get your cheque books ready! Given recent comments I will now wait for the newest version of the contact list. So if you are in any doubt about whether or not your details are right, it would be worth checking. If you are confident of having a high ranking you probably won't need to worry about all this. So thats about 6 teams then. I will not be putting the info on britdisc until everyone has had a chance to get it via snail mail. Thats about all for the mo' Cheers Si From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Feb 25 19:43:02 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id TAA12013; Tue, 25 Feb 1997 19:42:57 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id TAA24459; Tue, 25 Feb 1997 19:40:42 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id TAA24453; Tue, 25 Feb 1997 19:40:33 GMT Received: from phidelta.demon.co.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id TAA11835; Tue, 25 Feb 1997 19:40:29 GMT Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 18:58:08 GMT From: druid@phidelta.demon.co.uk (Fluid Druids Ultimate Team) Reply-To: druid@phidelta.demon.co.uk Message-Id: <4806@phidelta.demon.co.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Newport Lost Property (again!) X-Name: Wayne Retter, Treasurer X-Team: Fluid Druids - theultimatefrisbeeteam X-WWW: http://www.dreamer.demon.co.uk/druids.htm X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Lines: 21 Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Sorry to those of you unconcerned by this, but it's a great way to reach the masses! It amazes me that people don't know that stuff is missing. I need owners for: Long Sleeved (Blue) Sharks top Black UWSU Sports Federation top Black XL WUCC95 Hodded top Fading light blue swimshorts Blue/yellow patterned swimshorts Blue/white flower patterned towel I can bring them to tournaments up to and incl Nationals. After that they'll end up in my local charity shop. Wayne ...................................... : FLUID DRUIDS : : theultimatefrisbeeteam : : Druid@phidelta.demon.co.uk : : http://www.dreamer.demon.co.uk/ : :....................................: From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Feb 26 09:31:13 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id JAA06305; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 09:31:07 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id JAA06664; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 09:29:04 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id JAA06658; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 09:28:55 GMT Received: from oxmail4.ox.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id JAA06015; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 09:28:53 GMT Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk by oxmail4 with SMTP (PP) with ESMTP; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 09:28:49 +0000 Received: (from immd0001@localhost) by ermine.ox.ac.uk (1.1/8.8.3) id JAA01884; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 09:28:48 GMT Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 09:28:46 +0000 (GMT) From: paul meaney To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: National Qualifiers Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi All, this is just a preliminary message. The proper one will follow after I nip home and get my little black book will all your names in wot I have left at home. Well, despite some miserable sinners in the SE (you know who you are) who have, with three days to go prior to the tournament, STILL not confirmed entry (ultimate organisation - gotta love it!!) to their qualifier, I have come up with a fair and totally biased qualification entry for the Finals. The number of teams which qualfiy per division is as follows: SE - top SEVEN (7) qualfiy SW - top FIVE (5) qualify (except Mr Men, who will doubtless qualify and then be big girlie shandy-drinking, tory-voting, shirt-lifting, pillow-biting, chutney ferret WOOFTERS and not go to Edinburgh because its TOOOOOOOOO FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR no offence intended.) Midlands - top SIX (6) qualify North - top SIX (6) qualify I'll be telling each TD so that he (or she, or whatever) knows in advance and will confirm at the captains meeting. Might I also add that these numbers are now final (tough titty to those in the SE - you could have had more qualify, but did you get off your arses and enter teams, I *DON'T* think so, so TOUGH!!!), but are subject to a last minute radical and unbiased change, should my team fail to qualify. Paul Acting Indoor D of C. //////////////////////////////////\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ ****************************************************************************** Kryten: sir, you must forgive Mr Rimmer, he's suffering from a stress- related nervous disorder Lister: Next time I see him he'll be suffering from a fist- related teeth disorder ****************************************************************************** \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\//////////////////////////////////////////// From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Feb 26 11:45:14 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA01446; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 11:45:03 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id LAA10164; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 11:41:00 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA10156; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 11:40:45 GMT Received: from amsta.leeds.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA00527; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 11:40:42 GMT Received: from newton.leeds.amsta (newton.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.64]) by amsta.leeds.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA05880 for ; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 11:40:17 GMT Received: by newton.leeds.amsta (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA02965; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 11:43:50 GMT Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 11:43:50 GMT From: amtsjh@amsta.leeds.ac.uk (S J Hill) Message-Id: <199702261143.LAA02965@newton.leeds.amsta> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: rising to the bait.... X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi there I feel as though we've come in for some stick - and me being me, I decided to rise to it. Student Indoors - I'm not sure what game Laurence was watching - but I saw the final on video last night, and couldn't find the "heated discussions" that he was talking about. Naturally, there were some discussions. I'm sure the Skunks would agree that not only were we all friends at the end - but we were all friends throughout the match. I presume then, that Laurence is referring to the fact that we took the turnovers when the Bears dropped the pull (twice) in the semi-final. Bears are thoroughly excellent indoor team. And anyone who takes them lightly in any match (let alone a semi-final) deserves to get beaten by them. We were not going to fall into that trap. Indeed, they also dropped a pull whilst out of bounds. We didn't know if that was a turnover or not - but I've since been told that it should have been. Had we known, we'd have taken that too. What WE find hard to stomach, are the cries of "Spirit" as we play by the (fairly simple) rules. When these people have played in a half-competitive match, maybe they will get a better perspective on this. (Ooops - that'll be a little provacative no doubt - never mind, I"m away for a day or two.) We pride ourselves on trying to play with good spirit at all times - and I hope on the whole that we manage this OK. I know that there are plenty of teams who feel that we do. Ranting over Si (bad bloke) Hill From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Feb 26 12:20:28 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id MAA08645; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 12:20:23 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id MAA10967; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 12:16:33 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id MAA10958; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 12:16:16 GMT Received: from dns0.curved-logic.com by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id MAA07728; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 12:16:11 GMT Received: from pc15.curved-logic.com by dns0.curved-logic.com id aa11243; 26 Feb 97 13:17 GMT Received: by pc15.curved-logic.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BC23DD.AB8388C0@pc15.curved-logic.com>; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 12:07:43 -0000 Message-ID: <01BC23DD.AB8388C0@pc15.curved-logic.com> From: Kevin Lowe To: "'Britdisc'" Subject: Boo! Hiss! for Simon Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 12:07:41 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi, We've all seen teams make 'bad' calls. We've all probably made our fair = share of bad calls, but on this one, I have to agree with Simon.=20 Catching the pull gives the offensive team such an advantage, that you = have to expect some sort of penalty if you screw it up. When it happens = to you (you look up to see who to make that first pass to, the wind = blows, and it's all over), it is such a bad feeling, but you learn from = it. I've seen teams drop the disc, pick it up and carry straight on, and = the other team be too timid to call it. By all means, get on your knees = and beg if you drop the pull, but don't ASSUME you can just carry on, = and don't rant on about bad spirit just because they choose to call a = rule. I've seen this happen too often at junior tournaments, so this year, I = issued a simple set of the more obscure rules that everyone plays to, = but you have to read beyond the 10 simple rules of Ultimate to find. It = worked! Flowering Garden dropped the pull against Bone, and tried to = play on. Sammy shouted at them from the other end, grabbed the disc off = of them, and made the point. Flowering Garden looked a bit annoyed for = about 2 seconds, and then accepted it. They have learnt something from = that. The only comments from the crowd were along the lines of, "Well, = that will teach them" and "It is a close game, you've got to call that". There is room for flexibility though. If you're trouncing a new team, = and they drop the pull, stop the game, explain the rule, and let them = off if they didn't know it. Many people knock the disc to the ground not = realising it's a fumble.=20 However, I have seen teams pull the disc like a guts disc, deliberately = aiming at someone who isn't awake trying to get a deflection and a = turnover. This has to be deemed as bad spirit, and I doubt if even Catch = would do it :) (What happened to that lovely team that used to win = Spirit prizes occasionally? Answers on a postcard to Si). Kevin. --=20 | E-mail Kev@Curved-logic.com Phone (+44)1244-382371 | Q. Which is the greater problem in the world today, Ignorance or = Apathy? | A. I don't know, and I really don't care! From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Feb 26 13:04:34 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id NAA17429; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 13:04:29 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id NAA12185; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 13:02:11 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id NAA12180; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 13:02:03 GMT From: dmurray@soton.ac.uk Received: from acacia.sucs.soton.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id NAA17084; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 13:02:01 GMT Received: from ash.sucs.soton.ac.uk (ash.sucs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.128.88]) by acacia.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.2/server) with ESMTP id NAA01957 for ; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 13:01:59 GMT Received: (from dmurray@localhost) by ash.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.4/client) id NAA29873 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 13:01:56 GMT Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 13:01:56 GMT Message-Id: <199702261301.NAA29873@ash.sucs.soton.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: students X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk just a quick note in reply to lawrences mail I did not feel the final was that heated I am not sure if he was refering to the tournament in general or just the final, the only moment of confusion being that I myself called a foul, whilst in a bit of pain then withdrew the foul, but when I subbed off no-one seemed to realise I had withdrawn the foul. well done to catch they were just too good Dave M skunks From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Feb 26 13:14:54 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id NAA19339; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 13:14:46 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id NAA12463; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 13:12:33 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id NAA12455; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 13:12:19 GMT Received: from easynet.co.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id NAA18799; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 13:12:13 GMT Received: from texcel.no (larry.texcel.co.uk [195.40.103.11]) by easynet.co.uk (8.7.6/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA22946 for ; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 13:14:36 GMT Received: from andrea by texcel.no (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id NAA23171; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 13:08:30 GMT Received: from konishi by andrea (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id NAA05675; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 13:05:51 GMT Message-ID: <3314352D.54F4@texcel.no> Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 13:05:49 +0000 From: Neil Travers Organization: Texcel (UK) Ltd. X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (X11; I; SunOS 5.5 sun4m) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Re: rising to the bait.... References: <199702261143.LAA02965@newton.leeds.amsta> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk S J Hill wrote: > Student Indoors - I'm not sure what game Laurence was watching - but I saw > the final on video last night, and couldn't find the "heated discussions" > that he was talking about. Not wishing to get too personal, but Laurence has been known to misunderstand/overreact to minor discussions at tournaments. (National Indoors a couple of years ago, 2 Druids discussing something on the sideline). He's obviously a sensitive fellow. In his defence he didn't actually say "heated discussion" anywhere, and he did say "accurate rule calling", which implies he agrees with you (mostly). I think it's perfectly reasonable to take dropped pulls in any game (except at Newport where we play Scandinavian rules) even when they are off the pitch. I wouldn't expect anything else in a final. (for the rules see http://wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk/buf/wfdf/96rulult.htm#404.05 especially point 8). So, is this video worth a wider audience. And after reading Kevin's email (573 characters on one line?), I was just thinking about whether practices cause bad habits. Most of the practices I've been to (Chaos, Playthings), dropping the pull is hardly ever called. That's probably reasonable when the game isn't about winning but learning. But is everyone aware of the rules? Is it confusing for beginners, especially when they go to a tournament? -- Neil Travers - work Neil Travers - home Fluid Druids, UK http://www.dreamer.demon.co.uk/ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Feb 26 14:18:57 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id OAA01324; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 14:18:49 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id OAA13834; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 14:12:36 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id OAA13828; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 14:12:28 GMT Received: from mailhost.atlas.co.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id OAA00046; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 14:12:23 GMT Received: from [193.132.228.175] by mailhost.atlas.co.uk (4.1/PIPEX simple 1.9) id AA10810; Wed, 26 Feb 97 14:15:10 GMT Message-Id: <9702261415.AA10810@mailhost.atlas.co.uk> Subject: Ultimatum Update Date: Wed, 26 Feb 97 14:17:54 +0000 From: Paul Hurt To: "BritDisc" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi Just to let you know, the chances of Ultimatum Update's appearance at Regionals this weekend are very 50/50. It finally went off to the printers last night (Tuesday), but they're pretty busy. If they can squeeze it in, they will, but I can't promise anything I'm afraid. Fingers crossed... Paul --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Hurt Editor, Ultimatum Magazine, London, England e-mail aflitho@macline.co.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Feb 26 14:21:27 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id OAA01851; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 14:21:22 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id OAA13989; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 14:17:24 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id OAA13977; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 14:17:03 GMT Received: from dns0.curved-logic.com by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id OAA00936; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 14:16:51 GMT Received: from pc15.curved-logic.com by dns0.curved-logic.com id aa11666; 26 Feb 97 15:16 GMT Received: by pc15.curved-logic.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BC23EE.47E7E660@pc15.curved-logic.com>; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 14:06:37 -0000 Message-ID: <01BC23EE.47E7E660@pc15.curved-logic.com> From: Kevin Lowe To: "'Britdisc'" Subject: Addendum to Junior Indoors, and an apology about long lines Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 14:06:35 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Oops, I totally forgot to mention who won spirit at the junior tournament. I'm still in a state of shock after Discult won it. I can't believe that a team with Jo on actually won spirit (my fault, I taught him how to call rules). Naturally, I demanded a re-count, but they had won it. I'm sorry about this email package refusing to automatically insert line feeds. Anyone know where in the Microsoft Exchange options I can find the word wrap option? Kevin. -- | E-mail Kev@Curved-logic.com Phone (+44)1244-382371 | Q. Which is the greater problem in the world today, | Ignorance or Apathy? | A. I don't know, and I really don't care! From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Feb 26 14:34:13 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id OAA04168; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 14:34:04 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id OAA14411; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 14:32:10 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id OAA14401; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 14:32:00 GMT Received: from renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id OAA03820; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 14:31:58 GMT Received: from mull.sms.ed.ac.uk (mull.sms.ed.ac.uk [129.215.141.1]) by renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk (8.6.13/8.6.12) with ESMTP id OAA21521 for ; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 14:31:57 GMT Received: from SMS-MULL/SpoolDir by mull.sms.ed.ac.uk (Mercury 1.21); 26 Feb 97 14:28:54 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by SMS-MULL (Mercury 1.21); 26 Feb 97 14:28:43 +0000 From: "BARRY O'KANE" <9363680@mull.sms.ed.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 14:28:36 +0000 Subject: Re: rising to the bait.... Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <7E62A2325F7@mull.sms.ed.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Neil says: > And after reading Kevin's email (573 characters on one line?), I was > just thinking about whether practices cause bad habits. Most of the > practices I've been to (Chaos, Playthings), dropping the pull is hardly > ever called. That's probably reasonable when the game isn't about > winning but learning. But is everyone aware of the rules? Is it > confusing for beginners, especially when they go to a tournament? > This is a point worthy of note. When in practice most teams don't make this call (or many other calls?) - and I am convinced that this leads to misunderstanding of the rules and so to bad calls in tournaments. ( By bad calls I don't mean bad spirited calls just wrong ones - or even not making a call when it should have been.) By getting the calls right the quality of the ultimate improves (take Catch's play in the finals as an example - if you like) It is possible to play by the rules AND with spirit - but to do that everyone has to know the rules in the first place. Just another pointless comment, BARRY From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Feb 26 14:36:48 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id OAA04601; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 14:36:41 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id OAA14516; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 14:34:19 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id OAA14510; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 14:34:10 GMT Received: from dub-img-2.compuserve.com by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id OAA04179; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 14:34:07 GMT Received: by dub-img-2.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id JAA17446; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 09:33:30 -0500 Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 09:32:56 -0500 From: Stuart Clark Subject: Dropped pulls To: Britdisc Message-ID: <199702260932_MC2-11C2-F6EC@compuserve.com> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Guys, Si Hill wrote: >What WE find hard to stomach, are the cries of "Spirit" as we play by the >(fairly simple) rules. When these people have played in a half-competitive >match, maybe they will get a better perspective on this. And Kev wrote: >Catching the pull gives the offensive team such an advantage, that you >have to expect some sort of penalty if you screw it up. When it happens >to you (you look up to see who to make that first pass to, the wind >blows, and it's all over), it is such a bad feeling, but you learn from >it. I've seen teams drop the disc, pick it up and carry straight on, and >the other team be too timid to call it. By all means, get on your knees >and beg if you drop the pull, but don't ASSUME you can just carry on, >and don't rant on about bad spirit just because they choose to call a >rule. I think Neal Travers thoughts on beginners not being "exposed" to the rule at training is also quite insightful and an interesting point. Anyway, all this got me thinking. The general vibe seems to be that it's important to take a dropped pull as a turnover in a competitive or close game. Fine, no problem with that, then I got to thinking about indoor games where fortunes can change quickly and game time is short. Most of us know that rising sensation of panic when a team is coming back at you in the dying minutes of a game (or maybe it's just peculiar to us ;-)). Shouts of "How much time?" often echo around indoor halls - my point is I think teams have to make a judgement before a game as to whether or not to call dropped pulls. My team will often let dropped pulls go, but then I think if you let a dropped pull go earlier in a game because you think you're cruising to a win - if you then later find yourself under pressure - whilst you are perfectly within your rights to call a dropped pull, I think to call it then could be regarded as bad spirit. So what I'm saying is - I think either call dropped pulls or don't and possibly inform your opposition what your standpoint is on dropped pulls before the game, but don't switch your calling halfway through the game just to secure the win. That's not what it's about. I'm open to criticism on that view though. Stu VILLAGE PEOPLE P.S. Kev, don't feel so bad about dropped pulls, most of us have done it - even GB masters still do it ;-) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Feb 26 15:12:02 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id PAA10014; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 15:11:56 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id PAA15401; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 15:07:18 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id PAA15393; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 15:06:56 GMT Received: from amsta.leeds.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id PAA09246; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 15:06:52 GMT Received: from newton.leeds.amsta (newton.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.64]) by amsta.leeds.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA14770 for ; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 15:06:27 GMT Received: by newton.leeds.amsta (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id PAA04082; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 15:10:00 GMT Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 15:10:00 GMT From: amtsjh@amsta.leeds.ac.uk (S J Hill) Message-Id: <199702261510.PAA04082@newton.leeds.amsta> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: we had an argument.... X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Stu wrote about having a consistent viewpoint on the dropped pull thing. I agree. About a year back we played in a tourney and had our opponents drop a pull. It was 1-1 at the time - and we didn't really have much idea how good our oppenents would turn out to be... so a couple of us wanted to take it - and a couple of us were uneasy about the idea. At the time, we took it, and got roundly boo'd (for the first time!) After the game, we went down a corridor and had a fairly long team-argument about the rights and wrongs of what had happened. Not wanting to argue in front of other people (!) we decided to make a decision and stick to it. So we ALWAYS will take a dropped pull, unless 1. we think the player might not know the rule - in which case we ask. 2. the game is totally irrelevant to anything and we are just having a laugh with our opponents. 3. we want to turn the team over further away from the endzone to practice running some kind of play! (Joke!) This rule has special meaning to me. When playing with Sneeeky's at Worlds in 95 we had this situation against the Sharks. At 3-3, they dropped the pull. Much to my suprise, the decision was to let them play on. When we lost the game in sudden death 90 minutes later, I remember being somewhat dismayed at turning down a near-certain point near the beginning of the match! (Consequently we ended up in the match for last place!) Even this w/e, Ow! dropped a pull in sudden death against Flying Sorcerers, who didN'T take the turnover. 20 secs later, the Sorcerers lost the match. If Ow! had dropped the last pass in the endzone, would Sorcerers have given them another chance at that too? The comment about training is a good one - in Leeds people take a turnover after a dropped pull. I know that in Manchester, they don't. And we often have very enjoyable discussions about the relative merits of our attitudes to this with the Chevvy players! As Barry says, more pointless comment.... but probably not as pointless as doing research into how fish swim - which explains a lot. Si From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Feb 26 15:12:23 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id PAA10048; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 15:12:06 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id PAA15463; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 15:09:33 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id PAA15455; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 15:09:24 GMT Received: from pluto.open.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id PAA09579; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 15:09:20 GMT Received: from [137.108.224.60] (actually host ck500939201.open.ac.uk) by pluto.open.ac.uk with SMTP Local (PP); Wed, 26 Feb 1997 15:09:16 +0000 X-Sender: john@blake Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 15:09:31 +0000 To: Britdisc From: j.b.domingue@open.ac.uk (John Domingue) Subject: Re: Dropped pulls Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk >So what I'm saying is - I think either call dropped pulls or don't and >possibly inform your opposition what your standpoint is on dropped pulls >before the game, but don't switch your calling halfway through the game >just to secure the win. That's not what it's about. >I'm open to criticism on that view though. > >Stu >VILLAGE PEOPLE Once, many years ago, we played at an indoor tournament in Wolverhampton where dropped pulls were not counted as a turnover. In the first game, the Bears (Wacky i believe) pulled to us and Graeme Duckworth (tells you how long ago it was) macked (?) the disc so hard it landed three quarters of the way up the pitch. Naturally, being a good natured chap, he brought the disc back to our own end-zone line.... So I think if you explicity threw out the dropped pull rule you'd have more problems not less. john __________________________________________________________________________ John Domingue | J.B.Domingue@open.ac.uk Knowledge Media Institute, Open University, Milton Keynes MK7 6AA, UK Tel. +44 1908 65-5014 (Fax -3169) | WWWeb: http://kmi.open.ac.uk/~john/ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Feb 26 15:55:45 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id PAA17318; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 15:55:38 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id PAA16960; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 15:50:20 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id PAA16953; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 15:49:36 GMT Received: from oxmail4.ox.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id PAA16167; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 15:49:31 GMT Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk by oxmail4 with SMTP (PP) with ESMTP; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 15:49:26 +0000 Received: (from immd0001@localhost) by ermine.ox.ac.uk (1.1/8.8.3) id PAA17733; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 15:49:24 GMT Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 15:49:24 +0000 (GMT) From: paul meaney To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Nationals Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Right, y'all, here is a comprehensive list of who is entering where, and for those who have memory problems, a repeat of how many qualify. South East: Hurricanes Chaos playthings Lurkers Charlies Angels Hells Angels The Druids Playing Under Another Name which Is Not Druids 'Cos Druids Are A SW Team And If THey Play As Druids I'll Be Mightily Pissed Off Dump Frenzy Space Cowboys Village People SFA Dynamo Hamsters Top SEVEN qualify for the Finals South West Shrug Headrush Mr Men Sharks 1 Sharks 2 Tribal Discult Mythago Picnic 1 Picnic 2 Picnic 3 Picnic 4 Skunks Uriel 1 Uriel 2 top FIVE qualify for the Finals Midlands Red Bears 1 Bears 2 Bears 3 Blue Arsed Flies 1 Blue Arsed Flies 2 Mad Kows Strange Blue Superfly Stan Twin Peaks Funky Nuns Jesters Top SIX qualify for the Finals North. Zebedees Sneeekys 1 Sneeekys 2 Sneeekys 3 Mud Culture 1 Mud Culture 2 Reservoir Fish Chevy 1 Chevy 2 Fingers 6 1 Fingers 6 2 Phat Eds 1 Phat eds 2 Bradford 1 Bradford 2 Dundee ? Top SIX qualify for the Finals. Hope you all have fun at your respective tournaments. Paul. //////////////////////////////////\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ ****************************************************************************** Kryten: sir, you must forgive Mr Rimmer, he's suffering from a stress- related nervous disorder Lister: Next time I see him he'll be suffering from a fist- related teeth disorder ****************************************************************************** \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\//////////////////////////////////////////// From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Feb 26 16:08:09 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id QAA19920; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 16:07:55 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id QAA17434; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 16:02:24 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id QAA17428; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 16:01:47 GMT Received: from spuggie.cen.brad.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id QAA18423; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 16:01:43 GMT Received: from kite.cen.brad.ac.uk (15937@kite.cen.brad.ac.uk [143.53.2.4]) by spuggie.cen.brad.ac.uk (8.8.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA21018; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 16:01:41 GMT Received: (from ajbradfo@localhost) by kite.cen.brad.ac.uk (8.8.4/8.8.4) id QAA28401; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 16:01:37 GMT Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 16:01:36 +0000 (GMT) From: Andy B X-Sender: ajbradfo@kite.cen.brad.ac.uk To: S J Hill cc: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Re: we had an argument.... In-Reply-To: <199702261510.PAA04082@newton.leeds.amsta> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk > So we ALWAYS will take a dropped pull, > unless > 1. we think the player might not know the rule - in which case we ask. > 2. the game is totally irrelevant to anything and we are just having a laugh > with our opponents. > ( the debate continues) At the stoodent finals, Disciples v Jedi i stopped a pull with my leg (o think it bounced off the ground and back up). jedi then called this as a dropped pull ... i did not know why they had called it and we let it go ( when somebody calls a foul its always hard to say no it wasnt... esp if u aint 100% sure about the rules) .. jedi scored the point. in this situation i (and 1/2 my team) did not know the rule and maybe the most important point is now i do. i also seen the st andrews game were they let the dropped pull go and thought that was pretty decent of them . in our game there was no choice... it wouldve been nice even if someone had explained anyways the great rivalry between jedi and disciples continues... they wont get me next time bananaskins Andy B 63 Grantham Rd (01274) 743778 Bradford BD7 1RN From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Feb 26 16:36:16 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id QAA24738; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 16:36:10 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id QAA18375; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 16:28:23 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id QAA18359; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 16:27:16 GMT From: Wayne_Retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk Received: from relay2.mail.uk.psi.net by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id QAA23439; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 16:27:04 GMT Received: from sys2.london2.uk.psi.net (sys2.london2.uk.psi.net [154.32.110.6]) by relay2.mail.uk.psi.net (8.8.4/) with ESMTP id QAA19359 for ; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 16:27:04 GMT Received: from rwatson.UUCP by sys2.london2.uk.psi.net (8.8.4/SMI-5.5-UKPSINet) id QAA25906; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 16:20:41 GMT Received: from cc:Mail by rwatson.watsonwyatt.co.uk id AA857002396 Wed, 26 Feb 97 16:13:16 Date: Wed, 26 Feb 97 16:13:16 Encoding: 1868 Text Message-Id: <9701268570.AA857002396@rwatson.watsonwyatt.co.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Re: Dropped pulls Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk More recently, the Druids have been playing in Denmark and Sweden, where the indoor rules state that the pull may be dropped without causing a turnover.(As Neil has already mentioned - we brought that rule home with us and applied it to the Newport tournament) As John suggests, you *could* get more problems by doing this - mainly through people deflecting the disc back down the pitch for advantage. To my knowledge, this didn't happen at Newport. It also doesn't appear to happen in Scandinavia (maybe they can be fined for bad spirit?). The objective (especially at Newport) is to prevent those ridiculously fast pulls that you spend most of your limited playing time retrieving from the spectator area, or wasting time by carrying off the injured targets. Most Ultimate players are good natured, and if they do drop the pull without penalty (turnover) will walk the disc to where they dropped it (or the endzone line) rather than push the advantage they've already gained. I trust that this will continue. If it doesn't, we'll end up loosing this friendly rule option. Wayne Retter Fluid Druids ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Dropped pulls Author: j.b.domingue@open.ac.uk (John Domingue) at ~Internet Date: 26/02/97 15:43 Once, many years ago, we played at an indoor tournament in Wolverhampton where dropped pulls were not counted as a turnover. In the first game, the Bears (Wacky i believe) pulled to us and Graeme Duckworth (tells you how long ago it was) macked (?) the disc so hard it landed three quarters of the way up the pitch. Naturally, being a good natured chap, he brought the disc back to our own end-zone line.... So I think if you explicity threw out the dropped pull rule you'd have more problems not less. john From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Feb 26 17:14:08 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id RAA00890; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 17:14:03 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id RAA19718; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 17:10:48 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id RAA19710; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 17:10:27 GMT Received: from dryctnath.mmu.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id RAA00273; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 17:10:23 GMT Received: from ghondr.mmu.ac.uk by dryctnath.mmu.ac.uk with internet SMTP with ESMTP; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 17:10:11 +0000 Received: from MMU-HSS-GHONDR/SpoolDir by ghondr.mmu.ac.uk (Mercury 1.21); 26 Feb 97 17:12:09 +0100 Received: from SpoolDir by MMU-HSS-GHONDR (Mercury 1.30); 26 Feb 97 17:12:02 +0100 From: Lawrence PAULSON <94853843@mmu.ac.uk> Organization: Manchester Metropolitan University To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 17:11:53 +0100 Subject: Sense and Sensibility, Pride and Prejudice (and other works by J Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <22D1D755BC6@ghondr.mmu.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Dear All, I'm glad to have sparked a discussion with my tournament report: "It's good to talk!" I have a comment in response to some of the things which I inadvertantly provoked (with some help from Si Hill of course). In my original comment, no implicit critiscism of Catch was intended. As Si alluded to in his later message, there's a different attitude towards Spirit, and rule-calling in Leeds than is prevelant in Manchester, but who's to say which is right? Certainly not me. All I was trying to say was that in the final last weekend (and possibly before but I can't comment because I didn't personally witness anything) the different style of play collided, and produced some inevitable friction (as I saw it). Whether the players involved agree or not is almost irrelevant. I saw it, and I think others did too. Hence, I thought it was worthy of a mention. Also: Si Hill wrote: >I presume then, that Laurence is referring to the fact that we took >the turnovers when the Bears dropped the pull (twice) in the >semi-final. No. I didn't see this semi-final at all (I was probably in the canteen drowning my sorrows in English Breakfast Tea after our pitiful performance against Bradford). Dave Murray wrote: > the only moment of confusion >being that I myself called a foul, whilst in a bit of pain >then withdrew the foul, but when I subbed off no-one seemed to realise >I had withdrawn the foul. ONLY moment of confusion? Are you sure? Maybe I did watch a dfferent final then... Neil Travers wrote (in an obvious attempt to wind me up- the cad!) >Not wishing to get too personal, but Laurence has been known to >misunderstand/overreact to minor discussions at tournaments. (National >Indoors a couple of years ago, 2 Druids discussing something on the >sideline). He's obviously a sensitive fellow. I consider myself quite an outspoken member of the Ultimate community, but you can be 100% sure that I never speak: a) without thinking first b) unless I feel something needs to be said c)sometimes to be provocative If what I witnessed at the National Indoor Finals '95 between the 2 Druids was what Neil calls a 'discussion' then I would hate to get into an argument with one of them (unless I was properly armed). And yes, I am a sensitive fellow and I'm proud of it. This is the reason why I am always careful never to stress that my tournament reports should not be regarded as the whole truth, because I know I can never be anything other than subjective Finally, as I said in my original posting... > However ( I think) they were all friends at the end. And I'm glad to hear they were :) Love and Luck, Lawrence PAULSON. Chair, Fingers 6 (Manchester,UK) Ultimate Frisbee Club. Tel: (0161) 882-0560 Webpage:http://yi.com/home/Fingers6/ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Feb 26 17:19:25 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id RAA01798; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 17:19:18 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id RAA19881; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 17:16:58 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id RAA19874; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 17:16:50 GMT Received: from mps2.leeds.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id RAA01376; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 17:16:47 GMT Received: from west-01.novell.leeds.ac.uk (west-01.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.124.1]) by mps2.leeds.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA14053 for ; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 17:18:33 GMT Received: from LUCS-H21/SpoolDir by west-01.novell.leeds.ac.uk (Mercury 1.21); 26 Feb 97 17:16:56 GMT0BST Received: from SpoolDir by LUCS-H21 (Mercury 1.30); 26 Feb 97 17:16:44 GMT0BST From: "Larry Legend" Organization: University of Leeds To: Britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 17:16:35 GMT Subject: Read the rules, please. Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <302546278BC@west-01.novell.leeds.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi All, I think this discusion about dropped pulls should make everyone think more carefully about spending half an hour reading through the rules, (they are not long or complicated, even I can understand them!). This I think would benefit all teams no matter what level of ultimate they are playing. It will also help players who don't play highly competitive ultimate realise that these teams are not unspirited, but just play hard and fair. That's my 2 pence over. Well done to the Skunks who gave us a good, hard + spirited final, cheers guys. Larry. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Feb 26 17:19:59 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id RAA01887; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 17:19:54 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id RAA19901; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 17:17:19 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id RAA19885; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 17:16:59 GMT Received: from polaris.kbw.co.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id RAA01375; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 17:16:47 GMT Received: from RUKBAT (RUKBAT [194.70.193.70]) by polaris.kbw.co.uk (NTMail 3.02.10) with ESMTP id qa005086 for ; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 17:15:54 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970226172024.0094d5e0@mail> X-Sender: roger@mail X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 17:20:39 +0000 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: Roger Thomson Subject: Re: Dropped pulls Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk At 16:13 26/02/97, you wrote: > >More recently, the Druids have been playing in Denmark and Sweden, >where the indoor rules state that the pull may be dropped without >causing a turnover.(As Neil has already mentioned - we brought that >rule home with us and applied it to the Newport tournament) > Why not just play outdoors? That way you: 1) Don't have to waste time having this e-conversation when you students should be researching the next wave of whatever it is you research; 2) Don't have to carry off players injured by speedy pulls - because you'd have to be pretty damned slow to get hit by an outdoor pull; 3) Get much more playing time than you do in an indoor tounament - even if you only play on Sunday! 4) Might just get good enough to beat us outdoors (boy how I'm going to enjoy eating my words one day); and 5) Don't have to run to your car for a quick smoke between games. On a serious note: Don't underestimate how much the lack of 7 on 7 practices, and the focus on an indoors chaotic style of play, in this country has hampered our chances against other teams who know how to play a variety of 7 player O and D's. Look at the Druids - a fine indoor team, but the results don't seem to translate outdoors. I remember playing Maddison at the 1993 World Clubs - they spanked us just because they had a cool O and we weren't used to playing anything other than stack and zone. How many of you can even play these well, let alone know anymore? I bet a hell of alot more of you know whether or not you can throw a hammer from one end of a sports hall to the other than know how to run 'late invert'. Anyway, It's warm out there now folks - don't be afraid. Roger SHOTGUN 'Green grass and shades...hmmm - lovely' PS. Ozzie - you proud of me? From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Feb 26 18:09:57 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id SAA08977; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 18:09:52 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id SAA21005; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 18:06:59 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id SAA20996; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 18:06:23 GMT From: Wayne_Retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk Received: from sys3.cambridge.uk.psi.net by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id SAA08573; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 18:06:19 GMT Received: from sys2.london2.uk.psi.net (sys2.london2.uk.psi.net [154.32.110.6]) by sys3.cambridge.uk.psi.net (8.8.4/) with ESMTP id SAA05119 for ; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 18:06:18 GMT Received: from rwatson.UUCP by sys2.london2.uk.psi.net (8.8.4/SMI-5.5-UKPSINet) id SAA12514; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 18:04:35 GMT Received: from cc:Mail by rwatson.watsonwyatt.co.uk id AA857008602 Wed, 26 Feb 97 17:56:42 Date: Wed, 26 Feb 97 17:56:42 Encoding: 169 Text Message-Id: <9701268570.AA857008602@rwatson.watsonwyatt.co.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Re: Sense and Sensibility, Pride and Prejudice (and other wo Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Lawrence PAULSON wrote: > I'm glad to have sparked a discussion with my tournament report: > "It's good to talk!" Hmmm, where is Bob Hoskins these days? Wayne From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Feb 26 21:53:57 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id VAA03827; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 21:53:53 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id VAA25072; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 21:52:18 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id VAA25067; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 21:52:11 GMT Received: from langs.st-andrews.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id VAA03046; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 21:52:09 GMT Received: from lang2.st-andrews.ac.uk (gcc@lang2.st-and.ac.uk [138.251.24.2]) by langs.st-andrews.ac.uk (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id VAA08070 for ; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 21:52:08 GMT Received: (from gcc@localhost) by lang2.st-andrews.ac.uk (8.6.12/8.6.12) id VAA06968; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 21:51:57 GMT Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 21:51:55 +0000 (GMT) From: Gillon Charles Campbell X-Sender: gcc@lang2 To: brit disc Subject: dropped pulls Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk well Iseem to have come into this debate quite late everyone seems to have put there arguements forward, but there are some questions that remain unanswered. As everyone knows by now st andrews,(me), did not take a dropped pullin our game against Ow! The score was 8-8 and it was sudden death, we pulled and then chased it up with all our force. However as the disc came down right in the corner one of there players stuck out his knee to stop it. This was not him attempting to take the catch he was attempting to stop the disc from going right out of bounds, thus saving himself a walk. Now I know the rules and I had made dam sure that the rest of my team knew them too. So I made the call and there followed a short debate with my team to which we decided that since he did not know what he had done wrong we let play continue thus leaving Ow! with the disc. Now this is different to if he had tried to catch it and then dropped it. If we had taken the disc from them as the rules say I think it would have been a harsh punishment as that would have finalised the game we probably would have won and would have been very lucky. We in my opinion did not lose the game because of that decision we had lost it earlier in our poor start to the game. In the end if he had not put his leg out in front of the disc Ow! would have beaten us anyway, so to punish a whole team for the mistake of one out of ignorance did to me and my team seem harsh and I have no regrets in my decision. They deserved the win and credit to them for holding 5th as well. Just a note to all captains though for next time, it is your responsibility to explain the rules to your players so if a team is not as generous as us next time you should blame yourself not him/her. So thanks to Andy B for his support as in the end for us at least it is the taking part with spirit which is the most important and we felt that to have taken it would have been against our spirit of the game maybe not everyone elses but at least ours, and thats what counts! So anyway thanks to si for his piss taking comments, I'd just like to say that in the Bears match I was one of those that thought he showed poor spirit, it was not the way that he enforced the rules I feel that he had every right ,BUT it was the way that they did it. Picking up the disc and scoring before most of the Bears team knew what was going on, was that really necessary why such a rush I mean at 10-2 noone needs to score a point like that!! It seemed more like brutal enforcement of the rules why not show just a glimpse of the spirit we know you have deep deep deep deepd deep deep deep down somewhere. Just one last thing si I know you don't seem to agree with me on this one but in your last e-mail you stated " you will ALWAYS take the disc if it is a dropped pull except if the player does not know the rules, in which case you would ask" Are you not then agreeing with my decision. I avidly wait for all comments as I sit here or maybe I'll just see youall in Manchester, well some of you anyway. Good luck to all Gillon Flying Sorcerers St Andrews From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Feb 26 23:02:35 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id XAA10498; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 23:02:31 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id XAA26604; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 23:00:08 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id WAA26599; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 22:59:59 GMT Received: from tom.compulink.co.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id WAA10184; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 22:59:57 GMT Received: (from root@localhost) by tom.compulink.co.uk (8.8.4/8.6.9) id WAA03357 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 22:59:37 GMT Date: Wed, 26 Feb 97 22:58 GMT0 From: lholden@cix.compulink.co.uk (Louise Holden) Subject: == No Subject == To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Cc: lholden@cix.compulink.co.uk Reply-To: lholden@cix.compulink.co.uk Message-Id: X-Mail-Software: Ameol2 X-URL: http //www.ameol.com Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Wayne Retter said... >Most Ultimate players are good natured, and if they do drop the pull without >penalty (turnover) will walk the disc to where they dropped it (or the endzone >line) rather than push the advantage they've already gained. ... If, heaven forbid, the 'no turnover' rule did start to cause problems presumably application of the above as part of the rule would resolve them. Personally I like the way things were done at Newport as indoors can be dodgy enough without people gunning the pull at you in the hope of a turnover. Paul Holden Lurkers Flying Disc Club From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Feb 27 00:24:43 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id AAA16960; Thu, 27 Feb 1997 00:24:38 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id AAA28094; Thu, 27 Feb 1997 00:21:43 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id AAA28087; Thu, 27 Feb 1997 00:21:18 GMT Received: from server1.netpath.net by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id AAA16750; Thu, 27 Feb 1997 00:21:14 GMT Received: from [206.27.39.124] (Psilbey.netpath.net [206.27.39.124]) by server1.netpath.net (8.7.6/8.7.1) with ESMTP id TAA08478 for ; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 19:15:54 -0500 X-Sender: silbey@server1.netpath.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19970226172024.0094d5e0@mail> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 13:30:13 -0500 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: David Silbey Subject: Re: Dropped pulls Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk At 12:20 PM -0500 2/26/97, Roger Thomson wrote:ç >Why not just play outdoors? That way you: >Roger >SHOTGUN >'Green grass and shades...hmmm - lovely' At some point, you knew that a Shotgun player was going to weigh in with this. _____ David J Silbey Duke University dsilbey@acpub.duke.edu From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Feb 27 02:56:55 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id CAA25295; Thu, 27 Feb 1997 02:56:52 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id CAA00447; Thu, 27 Feb 1997 02:55:31 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id CAA00441; Thu, 27 Feb 1997 02:55:21 GMT Received: from mailhost.dircon.co.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id CAA25216; Thu, 27 Feb 1997 02:55:18 GMT Received: from [194.112.34.5] (du1-005.pool.dircon.co.uk [194.112.34.5]) by mailhost.dircon.co.uk (8.8.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id CAA08690 for ; Thu, 27 Feb 1997 02:55:09 GMT X-Sender: classa@popmail.dircon.co.uk Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 02:57:01 +0000 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: classa@dircon.co.uk (Ollie Watson) Subject: gonna drop it? Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk I have to say I am amazed at this debate that clogs up my In tray. Unequivocaly if you drop a pull you have screwed up. As a handler it is a fundamental error which if committed early on in your career should be punished by an opposing team, and which you should not hear the end of from your teammates for at least 3 tourneys (I should know!). A few points: 1) If you are designated to receive the pull concentration on the catch begins as soon as the disc is in the air. You follow it and catch it (if in bounds). 2) Huge advantage is to be gained by an early catch and a few rapid passes to get play moving; thus a punishment is inevitable for screwing this up! 3)It is really not that hard to catch a pull!!! If you mess up there's a spot for you with Jim Hoad in the Marines! 4)If you insist on playing indoors where teams will throw 100mph guts throws as pulls and it pisses you off.... see the light (yup, spring is almost here), convince your team to play outdoors... relish in the lack of injuries you incur, and develop your aspirations for a more competetive outdoor side. Love your grass, Ollie SHOTGUN PS. But we still can't putt like you Ozzie! From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Feb 27 09:29:46 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id JAA17936; Thu, 27 Feb 1997 09:29:41 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id JAA05576; Thu, 27 Feb 1997 09:27:54 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id JAA05571; Thu, 27 Feb 1997 09:27:46 GMT Received: from newsgate.dircon.co.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id JAA17713; Thu, 27 Feb 1997 09:27:44 GMT Received: from dmotive.UUCP (dmotive@localhost) by newsgate.dircon.co.uk (8.6.12/8.6.9) with UUCP id JAA22691 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Thu, 27 Feb 1997 09:18:18 GMT Date: 27 Feb 97 08:15:03 +0000 From: Oz Freire Subject: Where is Bob? To: britdisc , Wayne_Retter Message-ID: <970227.081503@designmotive.co.uk> X-Mailer: InterCall 1.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Where is Bob? 27/2/9= 7 Bob Hoskins is probably playing indoor ultimate! Get a life, try outdoor Ultimate Oz ShotGun Outdoor Ultimate Team! -------------------------------------- Date: 27/2/97 8:04 am To: Oz Freire From: Wayne_Retter Lawrence PAULSON wrote: > I'm glad to have sparked a discussion with my tournament report:=20 > "It's good to talk!" Hmmm, where is Bob Hoskins these days? Wayne From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Feb 27 09:39:11 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id JAA19208; Thu, 27 Feb 1997 09:39:07 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id JAA05751; Thu, 27 Feb 1997 09:36:36 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id JAA05734; Thu, 27 Feb 1997 09:36:16 GMT Received: from newsgate.dircon.co.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id JAA18762; Thu, 27 Feb 1997 09:36:08 GMT Received: from dmotive.UUCP (dmotive@localhost) by newsgate.dircon.co.uk (8.6.12/8.6.9) with UUCP id JAA22610 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Thu, 27 Feb 1997 09:17:43 GMT Date: 27 Feb 97 09:18:23 +0000 From: Jonathan Schofield Subject: The truth is outdoors To: BritDisc Message-ID: <970227.091823@designmotive.co.uk> X-Mailer: InterCall 1.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Dear BDers (does that stand for Brit Disc or Brain Dead!), There are two perfectly reasonable solutions to this=20 insane debate about dropping of pulls. 1) The penalty for dropping the pull indoors, where=20 there is no wind and weather to fight against, should=20 be increased.=20 You should forfeit the whole game!=20 You will, after all, only lose about 7 minutes play time,=20 and gain more time to eat junk food from vending machines,=20 play cards, watch crap daytime TV and all the other useful=20 things you can do at an indoor tournament. 2) If you are stupid enough to try and argue that=20 dropping the pull should not be penalised, you should be=20 banned from playing Ultimate completely. The rest of us=20 will be better off without you. You could go and invent a new sport which presents no=20 physical or mental challenges, and which has rules that=20 you only stick to if you and your sad friends feel like it. On a more serious note... It is indicative of the malaise in British Ultimate that we=20 are even debating this issue and what constitutes 'Spirit'. For most players of Ultimate around the globe, 'Spirit'=20 is the desire to push yourself to the limits of your athletic=20 and mental abilities and, in the heat of competition, still=20 have regard for your opponents rights under the rules as=20 well as your own. When British ultimate starts to reflect=20 this rather than the half baked attitude it has now,=20 we might start getting somewhere. Yours Jonathan Shotgun From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Feb 27 10:03:19 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id KAA22652; Thu, 27 Feb 1997 10:03:14 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id KAA06444; Thu, 27 Feb 1997 10:00:45 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id KAA06433; Thu, 27 Feb 1997 10:00:26 GMT Received: from maila.uscs.susx.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id KAA22249; Thu, 27 Feb 1997 10:00:24 GMT Received: from sold3.central.susx.ac.uk by maila.uscs.susx.ac.uk with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #2) id m0w02e5-000XFAC; Thu, 27 Feb 97 10:01 GMT Received: by sold3.central.susx.ac.uk (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0w02dr-0006UeC; Thu, 27 Feb 97 10:00 GMT Message-Id: From: mmup9@central.susx.ac.uk (Alex Bowers) Subject: (Brighton area only) To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 10:00:46 +0000 (GMT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk There will be an outdoor practice in Preston Park (Brighton) at 1pm on Sunday for anyone who's in the South East of England and not going to Regional *indoors*. Alex MOHAWKS From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Feb 27 12:11:51 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id MAA14916; Thu, 27 Feb 1997 12:11:38 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id MAA08908; Thu, 27 Feb 1997 12:05:16 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id MAA08874; Thu, 27 Feb 1997 12:05:02 GMT From: dmurray@soton.ac.uk Received: from acacia.sucs.soton.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id MAA13738; Thu, 27 Feb 1997 12:04:59 GMT Received: from ash.sucs.soton.ac.uk (ash.sucs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.128.88]) by acacia.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.2/server) with ESMTP id MAA03525 for ; Thu, 27 Feb 1997 12:04:52 GMT Received: (from dmurray@localhost) by ash.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.4/client) id MAA22096 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Thu, 27 Feb 1997 12:04:47 GMT Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 12:04:47 GMT Message-Id: <199702271204.MAA22096@ash.sucs.soton.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: dropped pulls X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Just one last point in defence of catch in the students in the game against bears they were using a set tatic on defence of forcing one way. putting pulls into the corner, then trapping bears were really struggling against this and so needed to start trying to catch the pull to stop this. that was the decision they made and they messed up. We have also used tatics like this before and a good pull is essential to help the D. A good pull is just another element of skill in the indoor game and should not be punished. Dave M From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Feb 27 12:45:32 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id MAA21795; Thu, 27 Feb 1997 12:45:23 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id MAA09714; Thu, 27 Feb 1997 12:41:35 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id MAA09709; Thu, 27 Feb 1997 12:41:27 GMT Received: from dub-img-5.compuserve.com by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id MAA20900; Thu, 27 Feb 1997 12:41:17 GMT Received: by dub-img-5.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id HAA28000; Thu, 27 Feb 1997 07:40:44 -0500 Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 07:40:35 -0500 From: Ian Peter Stebbing <106040.3441@compuserve.com> Subject: Dropping Pulls etc. To: Britdisc Message-ID: <199702270740_MC2-11D0-A3A1@compuserve.com> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Really an additional question to Ollie to begin with Why not follow and catch the pull even if it is going to land out of bounds? Surely it can still be a huge advantage to put the disc into play early from the sideline even if it is going to land out. Obviously I'm not suggesting people try and catch something thats wizzing off into the trees and the additional thoughts of am I better off calling middle, brick or re-pull (options you lose if you catch the pull) have to be made. To Lawrence I was one of the Druids involved in the 'discussion' at National Indoors in Leicester. It was I agree slightly more than a friendly discussion, on the other hand it lasted about 5 secounds, neither Myles nor I (the two involved) were at all bothered by our 'discussion' and its all part of being involved in the rather important game we were actually playing at the time (a quarter final if my rather poor memories serve me well). Everybody The hectic style of indoors may cause problems when transfering to outdoors. On the other hand the Swedes and Finns play mainly indoors and have managed to be better than us both indoors and outdoors with a smaller player base since I have been playing (about 11 years now). Its more about the fact that they practise indoors in a structured way and consequently its not hectic but ordered and controlled and allows them to move easily outdoors and remain superior to us. The British style of play does however have advantages in close games because it creates great team understanding and the ability the pull off the unusual, something outlawed within Scandanavian teams to all but a few supreme beings (see last Ultimatum report by Dan Engstrom?) Ian stebbing Fluid Druids (or whatever we are called this weekend) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Feb 27 13:25:45 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id NAA29468; Thu, 27 Feb 1997 13:25:41 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id NAA10161; Thu, 27 Feb 1997 13:11:14 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id NAA10155; Thu, 27 Feb 1997 13:11:06 GMT Received: from mailhost.atlas.co.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id NAA26711; Thu, 27 Feb 1997 13:11:04 GMT Received: from by mailhost.atlas.co.uk (4.1/PIPEX simple 1.9) id AB00626; Thu, 27 Feb 97 13:13:50 GMT Message-Id: <9702271313.AB00626@mailhost.atlas.co.uk> Subject: Clapham Common weeknight practices? Date: Thu, 27 Feb 97 13:16:26 +0000 From: Paul Hurt To: "BritDisc" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi Is anyone (Gunners etc?) intending to stage week-night, open-to-most-comers practices on Clapham Common when the clocks change? As per previous years? Paul --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Hurt Editor, Ultimatum Magazine, London, England e-mail aflitho@macline.co.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Feb 27 13:31:57 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id NAA00633; Thu, 27 Feb 1997 13:31:51 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id NAA10361; Thu, 27 Feb 1997 13:27:20 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id NAA10355; Thu, 27 Feb 1997 13:26:59 GMT From: pbennison@csksoftware.com Received: from quay by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id NAA29668; Thu, 27 Feb 1997 13:26:50 GMT Received: from Tfs by quay with smtp (Aix Smail3.1.29.1 #2) id m0w05qd-0001KkC; Thu, 27 Feb 97 13:26 GMT Message-Id: Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 13:20:59 +0000 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk, EuroDisc@ira.uka.de Subject: Dublin Ultimate Tournament - March 29th and 30th MIME-version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: TFS Gateway /222000000/222030473/222002635/222082120/ Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Dublin Ultimate Tournament March 29th and 30th, 1997 Trinity College (Santry fields), Dublin, Republic of Ireland. All teams welcome. Accommodation lists/contacts to be provided. =20 There are a limited number of spaces available. Please e-mail for more info. Jede Mannschaft ist willkommen. Unterkunftslisten/Kontaktadressen verfuegba= r.=20 Die Zahl der Plaetze ist begrenzt. Mehr Informationen auf e-mail Anfrage hi= n. Toutes les =E9quipes sont les bienvenues. Des listes concernant=20 l'h=E9bergement et diff=E9rents contacts seront fournies ult=E9rieurement.=20 Nombre de places limit=E9. Veuillez nous contacter par e-mail pour tout=20 suppl=E9ment d'information. Peter Bennison (peterb@mail.csksoftware.com) Conor Lawlor (H) +353 1 298 7328 (W) +353 1 296 2129 From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Feb 27 14:42:04 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id OAA15312; Thu, 27 Feb 1997 14:41:51 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id OAA12134; Thu, 27 Feb 1997 14:37:26 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id OAA12119; Thu, 27 Feb 1997 14:37:07 GMT Received: from easynet.co.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id OAA13696; Thu, 27 Feb 1997 14:37:02 GMT Received: from texcel.no (larry.texcel.co.uk [195.40.103.11]) by easynet.co.uk (8.7.6/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA29877 for ; Thu, 27 Feb 1997 14:39:32 GMT Received: from andrea by texcel.no (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id OAA21682; Thu, 27 Feb 1997 14:31:51 GMT Received: from konishi by andrea (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id OAA05831; Thu, 27 Feb 1997 14:29:12 GMT Message-ID: <33159A37.4436@texcel.no> Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 14:29:11 +0000 From: Neil Travers Organization: Texcel (UK) Ltd. X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (X11; I; SunOS 5.5 sun4m) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Disc CC: Bri@texcel.no Subject: Re: Clapham Common weeknight practices? References: <9702271313.AB00626@mailhost.atlas.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Paul Hurt wrote: > Is anyone (Gunners etc?) intending to stage week-night, > open-to-most-comers practices on Clapham Common when the clocks > change? As per previous years? I have been trying to maintain a list of London practices on a Web page (not much use if I don't publicise it I know, but I wasn't putting much effort into keeping it up to date). So far I've just put in ones I go to or know about. I originally based it on something Wayne Davey gave me when he left to go round the world and its vague intention was to help people visiting London (e.g. Foreign ultimate players). Anyway, if people think this is a good idea, I'll try to keep it up to date. Which of course means I need to know about any practices happening in London, where, when, contact, cost, season, etc. currently at http://www.dreamer.demon.co.uk/london.htm useful info/suggestions mailto:neil@dreamer.demon.co.uk -- Neil Travers - work Neil Travers - home Fluid Druids, UK http://www.dreamer.demon.co.uk/ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Feb 27 17:23:45 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id RAA16523; Thu, 27 Feb 1997 17:23:39 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id RAA16643; Thu, 27 Feb 1997 17:18:02 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id RAA16638; Thu, 27 Feb 1997 17:17:52 GMT Received: from curlew.cs.man.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id RAA15436; Thu, 27 Feb 1997 17:17:13 GMT Received: from fs4.eng.man.ac.uk by curlew.cs.man.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Thu, 27 Feb 1997 15:45:23 +0000 Received: from MAN-ENG-FS4/MAILQUEUE by fs4.eng.man.ac.uk (Mercury 1.21); 27 Feb 97 15:46:47 GMT Received: from MAILQUEUE by MAN-ENG-FS4 (Mercury 1.21); 27 Feb 97 15:41:16 GMT From: "I.T.Cuddihy" To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 15:41:13 GMT Subject: Re: The truth is outdoors X-Confirm-Reading-To: "I.T.Cuddihy" X-pmrqc: 1 Priority: normal In-reply-to: <970227.091823@designmotive.co.uk> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.52) Message-ID: <7A4F605F8@fs4.eng.man.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Dear B.D.ers I'll probably get way out of my depth but seeing as the discussion has slightly changed emphasis towards the Indoors/Outdoors debate I thought I'd have my two-pence-worth. Some people seem to feel that the solution to the question of dropped indoor pulls is to abandon the indoor game fothwith and speak no more of walled and roofed Ultimate. However, while I feel that the indoor game cannot (and should not) attempt to take the place of what some would call the "proper" (i.e. out in the sunshine) game, it does have some merit. I'm sure that many students (oh not another bloody student, I hear you cry) like myself don't come from areas where Ultimate is easily accessable, especially when we go home at summertime. As a result most of the tournaments that that we get to are during the winter which as a consequence of the weather must be held indoors.It is true that at tourneys the games may feel too short (believe me, that's how they felt last weekend ), but space is limited and T.D.'s try to do their best. Tourneys are, I feel, the place where a "hopeful to improve" player like myself can learn the most in the least amount of time, even if it is only indoors ;-). So while the more experienced of you out there in real world may dismiss them, I do not. Maybe as I get older I'll change my mind , who knows, but for now I just love to play ultimate, both in centrally heated sports halls and on frost bitten, wind swept fields. So now, looking forward to the summer (for outdoors) and next winter (for indoors), Love and Luck from the North Ian Fingers 6. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Feb 27 21:16:53 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id VAA11270; Thu, 27 Feb 1997 21:16:48 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id VAA20807; Thu, 27 Feb 1997 21:14:07 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id VAA20800; Thu, 27 Feb 1997 21:13:58 GMT Received: from polaris.kbw.co.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id SAA26193; Thu, 27 Feb 1997 18:35:03 GMT Received: from RUKBAT.kbw.co.uk (RUKBAT.kbw.co.uk [194.70.193.70]) by polaris.kbw.co.uk (NTMail 3.02.10) with ESMTP id oa005136 for ; Thu, 27 Feb 1997 18:34:12 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970227183856.0094d3f0@mail> X-Sender: roger@mail X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 18:38:56 +0000 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: Roger Thomson Subject: Re: Clapham Common weeknight practices? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk At 13:16 27/02/97 +0000, Paul wrote: >Hi > >Is anyone (Gunners etc?) intending to stage week-night, >open-to-most-comers practices on Clapham Common when the clocks change? >As per previous years? > >Paul Hurt >Editor, Ultimatum Magazine, London, England >e-mail aflitho@macline.co.uk > > Shotgun will be starting their Clapham Common weeknight practice (probably Tuesdays) as soon as light permits. This will, however, be closed to team members and other invited players (but come along if you think you're up to it - we just discourage beginners from these practices). As for what has been known as 'Summer League', which has traditionally taken place on the Common on a Thursday night - with so many London players maybe we should try to make it some kind of summer league rather than just an all-are-welcome practice? Opinions welcome. Roger SHOTGUN PS. As for Ian from Fingers who said: >Some people seem to feel that the solution to the question of dropped >indoor pulls is to abandon the indoor game fothwith and speak no more >of walled and roofed Ultimate. No Ian, it's just that the number of quality players who've picked up serious injuries indoors speaks for itself. Dropped pulls have absolutely nothing to do with it. >I'm sure that many students (oh not another bloody student, I hear >you cry) like myself don't come from areas where Ultimate is easily >accessable, especially when we go home at summertime. As a result >most of the tournaments that that we get to are during the winter >which as a consequence of the weather must be held indoors. I know students are soft - but that's ridiculous. It's warm enough to play outdoors NOW, we've been playing all through the winter OUTDOORS. I even didn't wear my tights this weekend, it was lovely and warm, perfect for laying out - a beautiful sunny Sunday afternoon! Why people are playing indoors at his time of year at the weekend is totally beyond me. >Tourneys are, I feel, the place where a "hopeful to improve" player >like myself can learn the most in the least amount of time, even if >it is only indoors ;-). So while the more experienced of you out >there in real world may dismiss them, I do not. I agree - they're great for beginners - that's where most of us picked up alot of skills, but it's important to remember that you should play by the same rules as the big boys, or you'll just squeal when you leave the playground. And if you think we're harsh - just try playing the Yanks. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Feb 28 02:12:41 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id CAA04526; Fri, 28 Feb 1997 02:12:38 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id CAA25884; Fri, 28 Feb 1997 02:10:40 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id CAA25876; Fri, 28 Feb 1997 02:10:30 GMT Received: from relay-7.mail.demon.net by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id CAA04418; Fri, 28 Feb 1997 02:10:28 GMT Received: from lurker.demon.co.uk ([158.152.56.63]) by relay-5.mail.demon.net id aa523157; 27 Feb 97 22:10 GMT Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 20:37:56 +0100 Message-ID: <193@lurker.demon.co.uk> From: Howie Lurker Organization: None Reply-To: layout@lurker.demon.co.uk To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Re: Dropped pulls X-Mailer: Newswin Alpha 0.9.1 Lines: 26 Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk It is easy.... here's how we do it in training.... Someone drops the pull (gasp, horror) they all shout 'turnover', you all shout 'piss off' and everyone carries on as if nothing had happened. This can also be applied to offside, pick, foul, stalled out, or any other boring old rule (all of which were only designed to stop Lurkers winning anyway). Another interesting pull problem is with a 'beamer' - you know that great big hammer that hits the roof and lands 2 foot in front of you with a great big chunk out of the disc (can't do them outdoors eh?) - we tend to have a game of 'impromptu-football' with it for a few minutes before someone manages to pick it up. When they try to run it back to where you kicked it from, you start a new game of 'impromptu-rugby'. Cheers, Howie. -- __ @ Lurkers Flying Disc Club / / --- (( ( ( ( 0 " A Dive Would Have Done It " ___/| We Are So Bloody Serious About Ultimate / howard@lurker.demon.co.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Feb 28 02:53:33 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id CAA06626; Fri, 28 Feb 1997 02:53:30 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id CAA26314; Fri, 28 Feb 1997 02:51:12 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id CAA26306; Fri, 28 Feb 1997 02:50:59 GMT Received: from relay2.mail.uk.psi.net by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id CAA06538; Fri, 28 Feb 1997 02:50:38 GMT Received: from sys2.london2.uk.psi.net (sys2.london2.uk.psi.net [154.32.110.6]) by relay2.mail.uk.psi.net (8.8.4/) with ESMTP id CAA13884; Fri, 28 Feb 1997 02:50:37 GMT Received: by sys2.london2.uk.psi.net (8.8.4/SMI-5.5-UKPSINet) id CAA25650; Fri, 28 Feb 1997 02:49:57 GMT Received: from cc:Mail UUCPLINK 2.0 by rwatson.watsonwyatt.co.uk id 9701288571.AA857125959 Fri, 28 Feb 97 02:32:39 Date: Fri, 28 Feb 97 02:32:39 From: admin_-_~ww__uk__hub@rwatson.watsonwyatt.co.uk Message-Id: <9701288571.AA857125959@rwatson.watsonwyatt.co.uk> To: layout@lurker.demon.co.uk To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Re: Dropped pulls Subject: cc:Mail UUCPLINK 2.0 Undeliverable Message Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Resource error - try resending Original text follows ----------------------------------------- Received: by ccmail Received: from uknet by watsonwyatt.co.uk (UUPC/extended 1.11) with UUCP; Fri, 28 Feb 1997 02:32:10 gmt Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by sys2.london2.uk.psi.net (8.8.4/SMI-5.5-UKPSINet) id CAA24599; Fri, 28 Feb 1997 02:21:47 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id CAA25884; Fri, 28 Feb 1997 02:10:40 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id CAA25876; Fri, 28 Feb 1997 02:10:30 GMT Received: from relay-7.mail.demon.net by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id CAA04418; Fri, 28 Feb 1997 02:10:28 GMT Received: from lurker.demon.co.uk ([158.152.56.63]) by relay-5.mail.demon.net id aa523157; 27 Feb 97 22:10 GMT Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 20:37:56 +0100 Message-ID: <193@lurker.demon.co.uk> From: Howie Lurker X-ccAdmin: Postmaster@uknet Organization: None Reply-To: layout@lurker.demon.co.uk To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Re: Dropped pulls X-Mailer: Newswin Alpha 0.9.1 Lines: 26 Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk It is easy.... here's how we do it in training.... Someone drops the pull (gasp, horror) they all shout 'turnover', you all shout 'piss off' and everyone carries on as if nothing had happened. This can also be applied to offside, pick, foul, stalled out, or any other boring old rule (all of which were only designed to stop Lurkers winning anyway). Another interesting pull problem is with a 'beamer' - you know that great big hammer that hits the roof and lands 2 foot in front of you with a great big chunk out of the disc (can't do them outdoors eh?) - we tend to have a game of 'impromptu-football' with it for a few minutes before someone manages to pick it up. When they try to run it back to where you kicked it from, you start a new game of 'impromptu-rugby'. Cheers, Howie. -- __ @ Lurkers Flying Disc Club / / --- (( ( ( ( 0 " A Dive Would Have Done It " ___/| We Are So Bloody Serious About Ultimate / howard@lurker.demon.co.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Feb 28 13:12:24 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id NAA06516; Fri, 28 Feb 1997 13:12:18 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id NAA05365; Fri, 28 Feb 1997 13:00:33 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id NAA05360; Fri, 28 Feb 1997 13:00:19 GMT Received: from renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id NAA04570; Fri, 28 Feb 1997 13:00:17 GMT Received: from mull.sms.ed.ac.uk (mull.sms.ed.ac.uk [129.215.141.1]) by renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk (8.6.13/8.6.12) with ESMTP id NAA26117 for ; Fri, 28 Feb 1997 13:00:16 GMT Received: from SMS-MULL/SpoolDir by mull.sms.ed.ac.uk (Mercury 1.21); 28 Feb 97 12:57:07 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by SMS-MULL (Mercury 1.21); 28 Feb 97 12:56:50 +0000 From: "BARRY O'KANE" <9363680@mull.sms.ed.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 12:56:31 +0000 Subject: Re: The truth is outdoors Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <814A3F96126@mull.sms.ed.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Ian says: > Tourneys are, I feel, the place where a "hopeful to improve" player > like myself can learn the most in the least amount of time, even if > it is only indoors ;-). So while the more experienced of you out > there in real world may dismiss them, I do not. Maybe as I get older > I'll change my mind , who knows, but for now I just love to play > ultimate, both in centrally heated sports halls and on frost bitten, > wind swept fields. > Hurray! Ian you could not be more right. One of the BIG advantages of indoor ultimate is that it is the way the the game is introduced to a lot of people. I realise that (in their opinion) we are not worthy to comment on any shotgun player - but one of the ways to improve the over all standard of ultimate is to teach people to throw a disc - you have to be able to do this before you can run any kind of invert. And (certainly up here in windy Scotland) the best way to do this is indoors - and then take those skills outdoors. The outdoor game is much better - but given the choice of a field surfaced with 2 inches of mud (or even frozen solid), strong, gusty winds and driving rain or an indoor hall - guess were I'll be? The basic enjoyment and enthusisam for the game is no less indoors - even if shotgun think they are too godly for it. BARRY From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Feb 28 14:07:16 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id OAA15088; Fri, 28 Feb 1997 14:07:11 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id NAA06989; Fri, 28 Feb 1997 13:59:18 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id NAA06984; Fri, 28 Feb 1997 13:59:06 GMT Received: from dub-img-7.compuserve.com by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id NAA13734; Fri, 28 Feb 1997 13:58:42 GMT Received: by dub-img-7.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id IAA13291; Fri, 28 Feb 1997 08:58:11 -0500 Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 08:57:53 -0500 From: Ian Peter Stebbing <106040.3441@compuserve.com> Subject: Indoor Ultimate Good or Bad? To: Britdisc Message-ID: <199702280858_MC2-11D9-89B6@compuserve.com> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk I'm sorry but I just can't agree with all the indoor bashing going on here. Indoors is very different to outdoors and both have their place, and it certainly isn't a beginners vs experienced split. Injuries is often quoted as the main reason for not playing indoors. Crap. Only speaking from what has happened to me or that I have witnessed suggests that this really is irrelevant. There are just as many injuries incurred outdoors as in, they just seem to be of a different type. Broken bones (many arms and legs) seem to occur more indoors while fingers and ankles seem to be outdoors. But dislocations, sprained joints and ligament damage seem to be almost entirely outdoors. The worst injuries I've seen are a break of both the upper leg bones (James ex-Warwick) from which he seems to have made a complete recovery and was back playing relatively quickly, a similar dual break but this time lower arm by one of the Hurricane players at Hitchen last November. He is already back playing and while showing some reticence to layout is once again proving to be a top class junior player. Both these occurred indoors. The first game I ever played in (a league match November 1986) a Lurker twisted his knee because of a divot or hole in the pitch, to the best of my knowledge he has never fully recovered. Last year in Waggeningen Adam Batchelor injured his knee ligaments and has still not fully recovered after having physiotherapy and a minor operation. Both of these occurred outdoors. There are many other examples that I'm sure we could all dig up and quote at each other for ever. I would agree that playing indoors with an injury is stupid because of the extra impact sustained on hard floors and its also true that certain weaknesses picked up over time make indoors undesirable. My main argument would be that they are different games and you should play them slightly differently. If you know that you are in a brick box, throwing your body around all the time is asking for trouble. Layouts and dives are not usually done flat out indoors because they are more often reaction moves, you can't often chase a disc down indoors, and if you do the wall is usually a large object that fills your vision from quite an early stage of the operation, not seeing it is really not an option! It always struck me as odd that most of the Shotgun players seemed to stop playing indoors at about the time they stopped winning all the tournaments they played in. That's completely unfair to some of them but not all! Ian Stebbing Druids From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Feb 28 16:24:36 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id QAA07206; Fri, 28 Feb 1997 16:24:24 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id QAA10741; Fri, 28 Feb 1997 16:15:01 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id QAA10736; Fri, 28 Feb 1997 16:14:51 GMT Received: from dryctnath.mmu.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id QAA05770; Fri, 28 Feb 1997 16:14:48 GMT Received: from ghondr.mmu.ac.uk by dryctnath.mmu.ac.uk with internet SMTP with ESMTP; Fri, 28 Feb 1997 16:14:18 +0000 Received: from MMU-HSS-GHONDR/SpoolDir by ghondr.mmu.ac.uk (Mercury 1.21); 28 Feb 97 16:16:17 +0100 Received: from SpoolDir by MMU-HSS-GHONDR (Mercury 1.30); 28 Feb 97 16:15:05 +0100 From: Lawrence PAULSON <94853843@mmu.ac.uk> Organization: Manchester Metropolitan University To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 16:14:59 +0100 Subject: Here's One! Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <25C2E035B4B@ghondr.mmu.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Dear All, Here's one that I've always wondered about...(I haven't checked this in the rules so please forguive me if I'm talking bollocks (it;s what I'm good at) and correctly in an orderly and polite manner). The pull is the scoring team 'voluntarily' giving up possession to the opposing team (I presume, I may well be wrong). If in open play team 'A' makes a pass, but it is intercepted by a player from team 'B' who attempts to catch in in the process of intercepting it but instead knocks it to the ground, sure ly it is team 'B' who get to pick up the disk. The idea of it going back to team 'A' is frankly ridiculous. Why should the pull be any different? Just a thought. Love and Luck, Lawrence PAULSON. Chair, Fingers 6 (Manchester,UK) Ultimate Frisbee Club. Tel: (0161) 882-0560 Webpage:http://yi.com/home/Fingers6/ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Feb 28 16:25:37 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id QAA07405; Fri, 28 Feb 1997 16:25:31 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id QAA10764; Fri, 28 Feb 1997 16:16:01 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id QAA10759; Fri, 28 Feb 1997 16:15:48 GMT Received: from smtp-gate.mottmac.com by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id QAA05902; Fri, 28 Feb 1997 16:15:31 GMT Received: from Connect2 Message Router by smtp-gate.mottmac.com via Connect2-SMTP 4.20A; Fri, 28 Feb 1997 16:15:50 +0000 Message-ID: <44A5B937010C01C0@smtp-gate.mottmac.com> Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 16:13:14 -0000 From: "Milne, Douglas M" Organization: Mott MacDonald To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Indoors X-Mailer: Connect2-SMTP 4.20A MHS/SMF to SMTP Gateway Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk I have to agree that indoors has its place in British ultimate, without it there would be far less student teams in this country. It gives new players a chance to learn the skills, maybe not how to 'huck' a disc, but the understanding between team-mates is a very important aspect of any game. When I was learning Ultimate back in the day when we were the only junior team playing (Bad Company), we relished laying indoors because we could get close to teams that we may never of scored a point against outdoors (the first 3 times we played Hombres outdoors we lost to zero every time). But as people have already said the two games are very different, just the same way that Disc golf is different to outdoor ultimate. You can use some of what you learn from playing golf, i.e. throwing a big throw flattish, just as much as you can learn from indoors, learning about who your team is and how they play. I know from experience how hard it can be to get a student team playing, I spent two years at Manchester trying to get a team together from the student ranks, both years I had over 70 players sign up only to find that the weather stopped people from coming out to play (as we had no access to a hall). Numbers soon dwindled after the first few weeks as people felt they didn't have the skill to play outdoors. It was only in my 3rd year that Ben contacted me to help in the starting of a new Manchester team that things really kicked off. Admittedly the people involved in the club helped greatly ( they had an enthusiasm for the game), but more importantly we could get new people involved very easily in a game where 'disc skills' were not at a premium, as we had a sports hall to practice in. As with Fingers Six (The name is still blamed on my little sister), this was soon translated into outdoor play, and in the following years Fingers Six, now Chevron, have become a good outdoor side. I do still fell however that there is still too much emphasis on indoors, to me it is still the baby walker of ultimate, a good place to learn how to play and then take that knowledge outdoors. Sure, if you don't have the facilities to play outdoors then by all means play indoors, but too many people seem to want to play indoors for half the year, GET A LIFE. Ultimate is an outdoor game, only us Northern Europeans made up this game to play when the sun don't shine, when it's too windy (what's that) or it's too muddy (personally I don't mind the mud). It's the same for both teams on the pitch whatever the weather, make the most of it. On another point Ian Stebbing said >It always struck me as odd that most of the Shotgun players seemed to stop >playing indoors at about the time they stopped winning all the tournaments >they played in. That's completely unfair to some of them but not all!. Well as I seem to remember Hombres stopped playing after Regulators beat them in a semi final indoors, that was because they were not only get too old to play (sorry guys), but they had won so many indoor tournaments they needed a new fix. I believe most took up disc golf instead. Now Regulators, we won National indoors, in fact we had 2 relatively equal teams indoors that year, but with most of us finishing college there seemed no point in playing indoors when we had better things to do (OUTDOORS). We did however succumb to the taunts and play the next year, in Exeter. By this time there were only 7 Regulators fit enough to play indoors, 3 broken wrists, 1 shoulder operation etc. Now at this tournament the Hombres were playing as well as Flamingo Trap, together the teams now form Shotgun. Now neither of these teams had ever practised indoors since the Nationals the year before, there seemed no point. As I remember Regulators came second losing to Druids in a nail biting final (I remember because I threw the disc in the last seconds to put us into extra time, only to find that that man Ian was in the way) and Flamingo Trap came 4th. Now as I remember it, even back then, Flamingo Trap had their motto emblazoned on their shirts 'Get a Life Play Outdoors', they played the whole tournament taking the piss, every single flashy pass you could imagine and still they came 4th. Now maybe it's just because I've been lucky enough to find a team that enjoys playing outdoors all the time that I preach about 'Ultimate', but until the competition in this country gets better you're never going to beat us. Practising indoors won't help either, my team plays once a week at least if not twice a week outdoors, we did however have a 2 week break for Christmas. All you experienced Ultimate players, try and find a floodlit pitch before trying to find an indoor hall. You may be surprised what you find (I found a running track in London), If you carry on playing indoors without the outdoors as well your Ultimate will suffer, and I would like nothing better that a bit of competition coming from all quarters in this country. Teams like UTI, Regulators and Catch only made it to where they are by playing more outdoors!!!! Doug Shotgun From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Feb 28 18:15:13 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id SAA23860; Fri, 28 Feb 1997 18:15:06 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id SAA14011; Fri, 28 Feb 1997 18:10:35 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id SAA14005; Fri, 28 Feb 1997 18:10:21 GMT Received: from arl-img-7.compuserve.com by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id SAA23396; Fri, 28 Feb 1997 18:10:14 GMT Received: by arl-img-7.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id NAA27491; Fri, 28 Feb 1997 13:09:43 -0500 Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 13:09:28 -0500 From: Stuart Clark Subject: London Summer League. To: Britdisc Message-ID: <199702281309_MC2-11E2-9B71@compuserve.com> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Roger wrote, >As for what has been known as 'Summer League', which has traditionally >taken place on the Common on a Thursday night - with so many London players >maybe we should try to make it some kind of summer league rather than just >an all-are-welcome practice? Opinions welcome. OK. here's my opinion, I think Paul posed the original question about an "all-are-welcome" practice because it's something he and I have discussed in the past - I know the North London League (whilst not hugely supported - Neal Travers will correct me if I'm wrong) managed to keep going all through last summer thanks mainly to the efforts of Neal, Wayne Davey and a few others. Paul and I had discussed the idea of setting something up which was more accessible to players in the South London area (A south London league equivalent) that would also be open to all players of whatever standard, and we did consider the fact that established players might not always relish the idea of playing alongside beginners every week. So I think there is room for a compromise. >From a development point of view it would be nice if I could field enquiries and say to people "Hey look, there's this open practice you can go to every week on Clapham common" as well as putting people in touch with teams. I've had loads of enquiries from people regarding the article that appeared in Time-out and really all I can do at the moment is say "Here is your nearest team - get in touch with them" and when you think about it, in the London area you're really only looking at Albatross, Angels, Playthings, Shotgun and Violently Happy - that's quite restricting - there's no way I'm going to put someone new to the game in touch with Shotgun or VH. So it's fine if the enquirer is based in the west or North of London, but failing that, East London is a bit of a desert as far as Ultimate teams are concerned. So, back to the point. If there was an open practice which happened on a regular basis in Central "ish" London, then we can get those people who would have normally slipped through the net, to at least get along to a practice and check out the game for themselves - and if they like it, they might bring their friends next time and who knows what might come from that. Heaven forbid - perhaps new teams! Now I don't think that has to conflict with a competitive London League. If you could raise say 5 or 7 teams to play against each other on some kind of round robin basis then you could draw up a rota system to have 4 or 6 of those teams turn up on any given practice, play say two competitive "long" games, and ask volunteers or nominate members of the absent team for that week (i.e the team not scheduled to play) to come along and muck in with the beginners, give them some pointers and coaching - and all this can go on alongside the competitive games - Hell, if we get enough interested people we might have two or three games of beginners Ultimate going on. Having said all that, the only stage Paul and I had gotten to was talking about it - I guess that's why he posed the question - maybe to see if anyone had any thoughts about setting something up. Again, Opinions on the above are welcome. I'm sure Paul and I would like to see some creative input. Stu VILLAGE PEOPLE SE RC (Yeah, I'm that as well) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Feb 28 18:19:02 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id SAA24253; Fri, 28 Feb 1997 18:18:56 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id SAA14118; Fri, 28 Feb 1997 18:14:54 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id SAA14113; Fri, 28 Feb 1997 18:14:45 GMT Received: from mailhost.atlas.co.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id SAA23808; Fri, 28 Feb 1997 18:14:42 GMT Received: from by mailhost.atlas.co.uk (4.1/PIPEX simple 1.9) id AB20848; Fri, 28 Feb 97 18:17:30 GMT Message-Id: <9702281817.AB20848@mailhost.atlas.co.uk> Subject: Clapham Common (for Londoners primarily) Date: Fri, 28 Feb 97 18:20:16 +0000 From: Paul Hurt To: "BritDisc" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk re: Clapham Common weeknights, Roger wrote... >As for what has been known as 'Summer League', which has traditionally >taken place on the Common on a Thursday night - with so many London players >maybe we should try to make it some kind of summer league rather than just >an all-are-welcome practice? Opinions welcome. I think that'd be good. But are there enough players prepared to commit themselves to it? It'd ideally need a minimum of four teams (= two games going on simultaneously) i.e. 30-40 people who will commit to showing up *every* week. I'm guessing that we'd be unlikely to find that many regulars. But I'd be really happy to be proved wrong. Alternatively, how about just three teams, with two teams each week playing a full match, and the other team helping bolster a pick-up game? Needs less people. And more flexible - means that people who can't commit to a league team can still show up and get a game. Anyway... Part of my reason for asking about practices stems from an idea that's been kicking around between Stu Clark (SE R.C.), myself, and various others. Which is that London could do with a practice session where total beginners were actively welcomed (though I'm aware that many teams encourage beginners anyway). Before people scream at the thought, the plan is to keep beginners largely separate from the "big boys-and-girls" games. So if all you want to do is play some reasonably high-level Ultimate, that'd be going on precisely as usual. But we'd also be looking for a group of volunteers who'd be prepared to take it in turns to help coach new players. There's a whole bunch of reasons why we think Ultimate needs something like this. At this stage I'm just trying to figure out what night would be most appropriate to do it (sounds like Thursday), and whether we can run it in conjunction with one of the established Clapham practices (I'd like to). You know, seeing as this is purely London-orientated, and the whole discussion could drag on a bit, it might be one of those times when it makes sense to set up a separate e-mail discussion group. So I will. If you'd like to be in on the discussion (even if you just want to lurk and see what happens) mail me (not BritDisc) back and I'll put you on the list. We need to get a bit of a shift on tho' - the clocks change quite soon! Here comes summer (doo doo do do...) Paul --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Hurt Editor, Ultimatum Magazine, London, England e-mail aflitho@macline.co.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Feb 28 19:50:18 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id TAA01885; Fri, 28 Feb 1997 19:50:13 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id TAA15929; Fri, 28 Feb 1997 19:47:30 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id TAA15924; Fri, 28 Feb 1997 19:47:22 GMT Received: from phidelta.demon.co.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id TAA01663; Fri, 28 Feb 1997 19:47:16 GMT Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 18:58:45 GMT From: Wayne@phidelta.demon.co.uk (Wayne Retter) Reply-To: Wayne@phidelta.demon.co.uk Message-Id: <4923@phidelta.demon.co.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Re: Reebok Pit Bulls X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Lines: 30 Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Following my post last week about the availibility of Reebok Pit Bulls in the UK, several requests have prompted me dig out the phone book(s) and for the following: Marc Jason Shoe World Bell Street, Reigate, Surrey 01737- not in the phone book!?! this store definately had a fair quantity last weekend 4 Surrey Street, Croydon, Surrey 0181-680-0983 Marc Jason Shoes (I don't know if this is somebody different?) 163 High Street Nth, E6 0181-475-0203 356 Bethnal Green Road, E2 0171-729-3386 48 Brunswick Centre, WC1 0171-278-9308 and one last entry (not my spelling!) "Marc Jason Shoeweld, Ret Footwr 19 Watney Street Mkt, E1 0171-791-3392" Disclaimer: I've not been any stores except Reigate and don't know if they've all got Pit Bulls in stock (or can obtain them), I don't guarantee that the companies above are the same companies, and I don't guarantee the stores are still at the numbers I have provided (especially the latter 4, they came from an October 95 phonebook) Happy Hunting W PS: Apologies if you're not in the London area..... -------------------------- Wayne Retter Wayne@phidelta.demon.co.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Mar 3 07:51:27 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id HAA03989; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 07:51:23 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id HAA27199; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 07:48:26 GMT Received: from crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id HAA27194; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 07:48:18 GMT Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 07:48:15 GMT From: Mr R C Doswell Message-Id: <11641.199703030748@crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Received: by crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk id HAA11641; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 07:48:15 GMT To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: BUF Events Reminder Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk British Ultimate Federation Disc Events Diary --------------------------------------------- March 1997 ---------- Saturday 8 March 1997 Co-Ed Tournament (2 days) @ Bradford Warwick Indoors (2 days) Invitation Only @ Coventry Saturday 15 March 1997 Wolves Indoors (2 days) @ Wolverhampton (???) Sunday 16 March 1997 GB Open Team Practice (1 day) @ TBA Saturday 22 March 1997 National Indoor Finals (2 days) @ Edinburgh Saturday 29 March 1997 Dublin Ultimate Tourny (2 days) @ Trinity College (Santry fields), Dublin, IE April 1997 ---------- Saturday 5 April 1997 BUF Tour I (2 days) @ Hitchin Sunday 13 April 1997 GB Open Team practice (1 day) @ TBA Saturday 19 April 1997 BUF Tour II : Leicester Outdoors (2 days) @ Victoria Park, Leicester Saturday 26 April 1997 Student Outdoors (2 days) TBC @ TBA : Bids to Barry O'Kane May 1997 -------- Saturday 3 May 1997 BUF National Junior Outdoors (2 days) @ TBC Freezzz Beezzz 5th International Outdoor Ultimate Tournament (2 days) (Non-UK event) @ Brugge, BE Sunday 4 May 1997 GB Open Team practice (1 day) @ TBA Saturday 24 May 1997 GB Open Team practice (2 days) @ TBA (Note may be Sat/Sun OR Sun/Mon) Saturday 31 May 1997 BUF Tour III (2 days) @ Swindon June 1997 --------- Saturday 7 June 1997 Red Co-ed Outdoors (2 days) @ Countesthorpe, Leicester Sunday 15 June 1997 GB Open Team practice (1 day) @ TBA Saturday 21 June 1997 BUF Tour IV : Southampton Outdoors (2 days) @ Southampton July 1997 --------- Saturday 5 July 1997 BUF Tour V (2 days) @ Double Locks, Exeter Friday 11 July 1997 Warwick Bears 21st Reunion (3 days) TBC @ University of Warwick Sunday 13 July 1997 GB Open Team practice (1 day) @ TBA (Warwick?) Sunday 27 July 1997 World Ultimate Club Championships (WUCC'97) (7 days) (Non-UK event) @ Vancouver, CA August 1997 ----------- Sunday 10 August 1997 GB Open Team practice (1 day) @ TBA Saturday 16 August 1997 Ross-on-Wye (2 days) TBC @ Ross-On-Wye! Saturday 23 August 1997 1997 BDGA Championships (2 days) (Non-Ultimate) TBC Sunday 24 August 1997 EFDF European Ultimate Championships (7 days) @ Millfield School, Street, Somerset, UK September 1997 -------------- Thursday 11 September 1997 British Open (4 days) Saturday 27 September 1997 BUF National Finals (outdoor) (2 days) @ TBA. Anyone interested contact Si Hill asap. --------------------------------------------------------------- British Ultimate Federation Disc Events Diary http://www.csv.warwick.ac.uk:5201/cgi-bin/diary Ranulf Doswell, ralf@dcs.warwick.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Mar 3 10:42:03 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id KAA23224; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 10:41:55 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id KAA29791; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 10:37:17 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id KAA29784; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 10:36:07 GMT Received: from dub-img-7.compuserve.com by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id KAA22196; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 10:35:54 GMT Received: by dub-img-7.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id FAA11851; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 05:35:22 -0500 Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 05:34:23 -0500 From: Stuart Clark Subject: SE Regional Indoors. To: Britdisc Message-ID: <199703030535_MC2-11F9-9728@compuserve.com> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Here are the results from the SE regional Indoors 1. Druids 2. UTI 3. Dynamo Hamsters 4. Lurkers 5. PULP 6. Small Furry Animals 7. Hell's Angels Qualify for finals --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------ 8. Chaos (Plate) 9. Village People 10. Space Cowboys 11. Charlie's Angels 12. Hurricane (Spirit) 13. Dump Frenzy Tournament was a round robin format with everyone playing everybody else once in 20 minute games. Hence there was no final as such, but the game which generated most interest was Druids vs UTI which the Druids won comfortably 7-2. Dynamo Hamsters seemed to sweep most opposition aside, even humbling the Druids late on the Saturday. They would spend all of Sunday being known as "the team that beat the Druids" as they continued to cruise towards a well deserved 3rd place. The Angels were out in force, fielding two teams for the tournament, the first of which qualified with a little help from the experience and patience that Gavin Ailes has brought to the side. Dump Frenzy, the SE's newest junior team made a welcome debut at Nationals and fought it out with the other Juniors, Hurricane, for the last spot. Hurricane won the spirit prize. PULP and SFA have already elected not to go to National Finals so at the time of writing, Chaos and Village People move up to fill those qualifying slots. Thanks to Kevin Robinson and the rest of SFA for hosting the tournament. For once we even had hot showers. Could this be the start of a revolution? Cheers Stu VILLAGE PEOPLE From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Mar 3 11:28:41 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA01531; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 11:28:32 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id LAA00937; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 11:23:28 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA00922; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 11:21:42 GMT Received: from stone.dcs.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA00250; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 11:21:22 GMT Received: from mail.dcs.warwick.ac.uk by stone.dcs.warwick.ac.uk; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 09:55:14 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by mail.dcs.warwick.ac.uk; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 09:54:40 GMT Received: from ritig1.rit.reuters.com by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id JAA15451; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 09:54:30 GMT Received: from ritig4.rit.reuters.com by ritig1.rit.reuters.com; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/14Sep94-0947PM) id AA06277; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 04:52:42 -0500 Received: from mr.rit.reuters.com by RITIG4.RIT.REUTERS.COM (PMDF V5.1-7 #7805) id <01IG1XRMTH1C004TVA@RITIG4.RIT.REUTERS.COM> for owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 04:52:34 EST Received: with PMDF-MR; Mon, 03 Mar 1997 09:53:02 +0000 (GMT) Mr-Received: by mta REC.MUAS; Relayed; Mon, 03 Mar 1997 09:53:02 +0000 Mr-Received: by mta RE6; Relayed; Mon, 03 Mar 1997 09:53:07 +0000 Mr-Received: by mta RITIG4; Relayed; Mon, 03 Mar 1997 09:52:25 +0000 Disclose-Recipients: prohibited Date: Mon, 03 Mar 1997 09:53:02 +0000 (GMT) From: Patrick Moore 5884 Subject: (SE Only) Re: Teams that play in London In-Reply-To: <199702281309_MC2-11E2-9B71@compuserve.com> To: owner-britdisc Message-Id: <1502530903031997/A49614/RE6/11B31A750000*@MHS> Autoforwarded: false Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Importance: normal Priority: normal Sensitivity: Company-Confidential Ua-Content-Id: 11B31A750000 X400-Mts-Identifier: [;1502530903031997/A49614/RE6] Hop-Count: 2 Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Stu Clark wrote: >...and when you think about it, in the London area you're really >only looking at Albatross, Angels, Playthings, Shotgun and >Violently Happy... Stu, you obviously didn't think about it for very long! It may be hard to believe based on some of our recent form at tournaments, but the Lurkers (the oldest ultimate team in London by a lot of years) still train twice a week, every week, on Wednesdays and Sundays. We'll be playing indoors until Easter, then we move outdoors to Wandle Park in Croydon. For those of you who don't know (about 99% I should think), Wandle Park is about 5 minutes walk from West Croydon station or 15 minutes from East Croydon, neither of which is difficult to get to. If anybody is interested in coming out to play (individually or as a team), call either Paul Holden or myself and we'll give you more details. Paul can be found at: 01293-412195 (H) lholden@cix.compulink.co.uk See (some of) you in Edinburgh, Patrick Moore Lurkers Ultimate Club -- patrick.moore@reuters.com 0171-542-5884 (W) 0181-654-8002 (H) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Mar 3 11:48:23 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA05575; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 11:48:15 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id LAA01493; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 11:45:17 GMT Received: from clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA01469; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 11:44:38 GMT Received: from dub-img-4.compuserve.com by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id LAA14752; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 11:44:25 GMT Received: by dub-img-4.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id GAA12283; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 06:43:52 -0500 Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 06:43:01 -0500 From: Stuart Clark Subject: Village People - Contact Details. To: Britdisc Message-ID: <199703030643_MC2-11FE-ED72@compuserve.com> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Dear All, In case you hadn't noticed (or you haven't got your new Ultimatum Update yet), please be aware that the contact details for the Village People are now: Charlie Ben-Nathan 230b Colney Hatch Lane, Muswell Hill, London N10 Tel: 0181 444 8695 E-mail 100422.1474@compuserve.com (Jim McDonnell). Thanks Stu. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Mar 3 13:13:42 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id NAA23337; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 13:13:31 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id NAA03824; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 13:09:07 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id NAA03818; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 13:08:51 GMT From: pbennison@csksoftware.com Received: from quay by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id NAA22370; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 13:08:42 GMT Received: from Tfs by quay with smtp (Aix Smail3.1.29.1 #2) id m0w1XTH-0001KcC; Mon, 3 Mar 97 13:08 GMT Message-Id: Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 13:02:38 +0000 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk, EuroDisc@ira.uka.de Subject: Pre Dublin tournie report MIME-version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: TFS Gateway /222000000/222030473/222002635/222082120/ Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk The first ever Irish national tournament between the Pookas of=20 Trinity College Dublin at Maynooth college was an unqualified=20 success. The final score of 13 - 5 in favour of the vistors did not=20 reflect the closeness of the game. The windy conditions did little=20 to dampen the spirited, competitive play.=20 It was an excellent precursor to the Dublin tournament at the end=20 of March. It also shows that Ultimate is here to stay in Ireland,=20 judging by the enthusiastic turnout. Hopefully, Dublin City University=20 and University College Dublin will be able to field teams of their own=20 in the coming year, setting the stage for an Irish student league. The second annual Dublin Tournament is only 4 short weeks away. =20 Drop me a line to find out more info on how to join in on the beginnings=20 of organized Ultimate in Ireland. Peter Pookas - Dublin Ultimate From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Mar 3 13:28:45 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id NAA26090; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 13:28:27 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id NAA04144; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 13:23:05 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id NAA04132; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 13:22:54 GMT Received: from amsta.leeds.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id NAA25227; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 13:22:51 GMT Received: from newton.leeds.amsta (newton.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.64]) by amsta.leeds.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA24757 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 13:22:50 GMT Received: by newton.leeds.amsta (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id NAA11267; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 13:26:38 GMT Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 13:26:38 GMT From: amtsjh@amsta.leeds.ac.uk (S J Hill) Message-Id: <199703031326.NAA11267@newton.leeds.amsta> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: FLIGHTS TO VANCOUVER X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi Going to Vancouver? Why not fly "AIR 22"? Following up on Andy Cotgreave's message about "Canadian Affair", I checked it out this morning. Can fly from Gatwick or Manchester. Cost is 419gbp + 25gbp tax. This seems pretty good - maybe other people have done better? If so - we'd love to know how, etc.... But if we book for 25, then we get one of them free. Thus bringing the cost down to 428 gbp (including 2 quid catch tax - because I'm sure to end up ringing people and posting tickets etc...). (A massive saving of 16 quid!) Need 50 quid deposit, balance to be paid 8 weeks before travel. So for Air 22 I will need balance by 1st May (nice easy date to remember). We do NOT have to be on same flights - or even going from same UK airport. I imagine that if we can do much better than 25, we may be able to get further reductions.... but I don't know - if not, then we will be limited to integer multiples of 25 to make the reduction meaningful. Fly out of Gatwick on Thursday mornings, Manchester Friday mornings. (We can be seperated out over several weeks according to what I was told today.) PLEASE REPLY DIRECT TO ME ON THIS EMAIL - (ie not to BritDisc) or by phone 0113 289 0971. We need to get on with this - so please let me know asap - and please tell the other non-email people in your worlds team. Go on, you know it makes sense. Si "Do a fly-by with AIR 22" From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Mar 3 15:19:32 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id PAA18801; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 15:19:18 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id PAA07016; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 15:15:29 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id PAA07009; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 15:15:07 GMT Received: from spuggie.cen.brad.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id PAA17909; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 15:15:03 GMT Received: from kestrel.cen.brad.ac.uk (15937@kestrel.cen.brad.ac.uk [143.53.2.5]) by spuggie.cen.brad.ac.uk (8.8.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA03401 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 15:15:01 GMT Received: (from ajbradfo@localhost) by kestrel.cen.brad.ac.uk (8.8.4/8.8.4) id PAA22996; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 15:14:45 GMT Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 15:14:43 +0000 (GMT) From: Andy B X-Sender: ajbradfo@kestrel.cen.brad.ac.uk To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Bradford co-ed Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi There a still a couple of places left for the co-ed in bradford this weekend coming . if anyone is interested please get back to me... (accomodation is available) If anyone is interested in coming along to play pickup also please get back to me. (again accomodation available) Cheers bananaskins Andy B 63 Grantham Rd (01274) 743778 Bradford BD7 1RN From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Mar 3 16:20:33 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id QAA01425; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 16:20:24 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id QAA08506; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 16:10:32 GMT Received: from hil-img-3.compuserve.com by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id QAA08498; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 16:10:18 GMT Received: by hil-img-3.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id LAA27085; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 11:04:40 -0500 Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 10:53:37 -0500 From: Ian Peter Stebbing <106040.3441@compuserve.com> Subject: Re:Indoors To: Britdisc Message-ID: <199703031104_MC2-1201-5D20@compuserve.com> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Its most gratifing to see such a well thought out and considered reply as Doug's on the theme of indoor Ultimate. I support his assertion that to continue improving as players it is important to play outdoors, even if you wish to remain a predominantly indoor player. The addition skills and improvement in throwing ability and understanding of space are greatly enhanced from playing outdoors. I personally enjoy both forms of the game, and will hopefully continue to do so. Ian Druids From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Mar 3 17:24:56 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id RAA14245; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 17:24:47 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id RAA10303; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 17:18:26 GMT Received: from clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id RAA10298; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 17:18:18 GMT Received: from patty.teleport.com by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id RAA25280; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 17:18:02 GMT Received: from linda.teleport.com (linda.teleport.com [192.108.254.12]) by patty.teleport.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA16696 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 09:16:01 -0800 (PST) Received: (from soob@localhost) by linda.teleport.com (8.8.5/8.8.4) id JAA12470; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 09:13:59 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 09:13:56 -0800 (PST) From: Jim McCarty To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Looking for a game Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hello, I'm traveling to London for work and will be in the area for 3 months. I'm hoping to be able to find a few games a week I can participate in. If you can help me, respond to me as I'm not a member of this list. Thank you, Jim BTW, I'll be arriving tomorrow. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Jim McCarty | If I seek in every corner, All around good guy | If I search in every doorway, and Alan Parsons Fan | When the water turns to wine soob@teleport.com | will I believe? jimmcc@pogo.wv.tek.com | - Alan Parsons (Bairnson & Musker) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Mar 3 17:31:14 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id RAA15445; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 17:30:59 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id RAA10500; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 17:26:42 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id RAA10489; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 17:26:26 GMT Received: from maelstrom.dial.pipex.net by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id RAA14533; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 17:26:20 GMT Received: from typhoon.dial.pipex.net (158.43.128.27) by maelstrom.dial.pipex.net (8.8.3/) id RAA17717; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 17:26:19 GMT Received: from [194.203.111.151] (194.203.111.151) by typhoon.dial.pipex.net (8.8.2/UUNET PIPEX simple 1.29) id RAA02676; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 17:23:45 GMT Message-Id: <199703031723.RAA02676@typhoon.dial.pipex.net> From: "Richard Clegg" To: "Britdisc" Subject: Indoors Results Date: Sat, 2 Mar 1996 17:30:11 -0800 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk I suppose it would be asking too much for the other qualifier results to be posted? It would be quite nice to know what happened elsewhere other than the SE. Just a thought. Scuttler Sneeeky's ************************************************************ Richard J. Clegg Web Developer, Company Net richard@company-net.co.uk ************************************************************ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Mar 4 17:59:33 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id SAA29022; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 18:57:38 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id SAA12700; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 18:47:48 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id SAA12695; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 18:47:40 GMT Received: from venus.le.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id SAA27843; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 18:47:37 GMT Received: from rose.le.ac.uk by venus.le.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Mon, 3 Mar 1997 14:57:58 +0000 Received: from ROSE/SpoolDir by rose.le.ac.uk (Mercury 1.21); 3 Mar 97 14:57:39 +0100 (BST) Received: from SpoolDir by ROSE (Mercury 1.30); 3 Mar 97 14:57:19 +0100 (BST) From: "M.J. Ashton" To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 14:57:19 +0100 (BST) Subject: regionals...midlands Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.31 Message-ID: <28FD86E6A9E@rose.le.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk A huge thank you for Merick and the Blue Arse flies for a great tournament, which was very spirited through out. A huge SORRY on behalf of the Jesters who let Merick down dispite his best efforts to get us there, circumstances beyond my control forced us out....Sorry again. Thanks for listening Mark. (up the revolution) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Mar 4 18:00:01 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id IAA27313; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 08:46:09 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id IAA21996; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 08:39:41 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id SAA12794; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 18:53:38 GMT Received: from stone.dcs.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id SAA28592; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 18:53:36 GMT Received: from mail.dcs.warwick.ac.uk by stone.dcs.warwick.ac.uk; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 15:00:25 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by mail.dcs.warwick.ac.uk; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 15:00:23 GMT Received: from ritig1.rit.reuters.com by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id PAA15332; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 15:00:10 GMT Received: from ritig4.rit.reuters.com by ritig1.rit.reuters.com; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/14Sep94-0947PM) id AA07204; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 09:58:11 -0500 Received: from mr.rit.reuters.com by RITIG4.RIT.REUTERS.COM (PMDF V5.1-7 #7805) id <01IG28G4YLWG00529X@RITIG4.RIT.REUTERS.COM> for owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 09:57:58 EST Received: with PMDF-MR; Mon, 03 Mar 1997 14:58:47 +0000 (GMT) Mr-Received: by mta REC.MUAS; Relayed; Mon, 03 Mar 1997 14:58:47 +0000 Mr-Received: by mta RE6; Relayed; Mon, 03 Mar 1997 14:58:48 +0000 Mr-Received: by mta RITIG4; Relayed; Mon, 03 Mar 1997 14:57:50 +0000 Disclose-Recipients: prohibited Date: Mon, 03 Mar 1997 14:58:47 +0000 (GMT) From: Patrick Moore 5884 Subject: E-mail whinge! In-Reply-To: <199703031326.NAA11267@newton.leeds.amsta> To: owner-britdisc Message-Id: <7847581403031997/A54832/RE6/11B31BBA2F00*@MHS> Autoforwarded: false Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Importance: normal Priority: normal Sensitivity: Company-Confidential Ua-Content-Id: 11B31BBA2F00 X400-Mts-Identifier: [;7847581403031997/A54832/RE6] Hop-Count: 2 Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Si (Hill, I assume) wrote: >PLEASE REPLY DIRECT TO ME ON THIS EMAIL - (ie not to BritDisc) >or by phone 0113 289 0971. However he then neglected to provide a return e-mail address. Is this vanity? Does he believe himself to be so well known within the British ultimate scene that reminding us of his e-mail address is unnecessary? Or is he just taking the piss? Or perhaps it's that hardly anyone else ever bothers to append their e-mail address, forcing anybody that wishes to reply to a mail to direct their response to the entire BritDisc mailing list! Please, please, get into the habit of ending your postings with a return address. I'm sure nobody needs any MORE unwanted e-mail. Whinge over. If anybody feels inclined to flame me over this, my address is at the bottom. PLEASE don't inflict it on the rest of BritDisc. Muchas gracias. Patrick P.S. Only kidding Si - I could have written this any one of a dozen times in the last few weeks. Your mail just happened to be the proverbial straw that broke the camel's back. -- patrick.moore@reuters.com From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Mar 4 18:17:15 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id SAA18969; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 18:17:12 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id RAA00151; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 17:27:14 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id RAA00102; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 17:25:29 GMT Received: from renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id LAA00618; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 11:41:46 GMT Received: from mull.sms.ed.ac.uk (mull.sms.ed.ac.uk [129.215.141.1]) by renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk (8.6.13/8.6.12) with ESMTP id LAA22486 for ; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 11:41:39 GMT Received: from SMS-MULL/SpoolDir by mull.sms.ed.ac.uk (Mercury 1.21); 4 Mar 97 11:38:17 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by SMS-MULL (Mercury 1.21); 4 Mar 97 11:37:54 +0000 From: "BARRY O'KANE" <9363680@mull.sms.ed.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 11:37:41 +0000 Subject: National Finals Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <873570961EA@mull.sms.ed.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi, Just a quick reminder for all qualified teams to contact me or else Paul Meaney BEFORE Sunday the 9th - esp if you will not be attending the finals! BARRY <9363680@sms.ed.ac.uk> From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Mar 4 18:20:17 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id SAA19224; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 18:20:06 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id RAA00775; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 17:42:10 GMT Received: from clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id RAA00715; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 17:39:15 GMT Received: from oxmail4.ox.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id JAA19579; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 09:35:15 GMT Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk by oxmail4 with SMTP (PP) with ESMTP; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 09:35:10 +0000 Received: (from immd0001@localhost) by ermine.ox.ac.uk (1.1/8.8.3) id JAA23854; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 09:35:09 GMT Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 09:35:09 +0000 (GMT) From: paul meaney To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Qualifiers reports Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi Y'All, this is a request for tournament reoprts from other divisions (SW. Mids, North). If you were there and can remember who finished where and even possibly what some games were like, could you jot 'em down and posty them onto Britdisc. I really wouldn't mind knowing exactly who qualified you know. PS thanks to Lem from Picnic for a Stonking tournament in the SE. Can't report on the party as we buggered off. I think non attendance of party at indoors is a sign of entring "Old Git-dom". Paul. //////////////////////////////////\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ ****************************************************************************** Kryten: sir, you must forgive Mr Rimmer, he's suffering from a stress- related nervous disorder Lister: Next time I see him he'll be suffering from a fist- related teeth disorder ****************************************************************************** \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\//////////////////////////////////////////// From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Mar 4 18:25:25 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id SAA20116; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 18:25:10 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id RAA00853; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 17:45:23 GMT Received: from clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id RAA00822; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 17:43:26 GMT Received: from dira.bris.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id JAA19348; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 09:32:02 GMT Received: from mail.bris.ac.uk by dira.bris.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Tue, 4 Mar 1997 09:31:29 +0000 Received: from Bristol (ts1-p6.bris.ac.uk [137.222.1.6]) by mail.bris.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA17419 for ; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 09:28:35 GMT From: Rob Cole Reply-To: Rob Cole To: Brit Disk Subject: regionals Message-ID: Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 09:26:04 -0800 () Priority: NORMAL X-Mailer: Simeon for Win32 Version 4.0.7 X-Authentication: none MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk What happened at the weekend? I'm sure that most people are dying to know what went on and where. We know the South East, and I took part in the South West, but what about every where else? Just to stop some people complaining, here are some of the results from the south west: Round Robin tournament, 18 min games, top 2 playing off in 30 min final, 1 Shrug (or was it Shrub? Who knows) 2 Mr Men 3 Tribal Discult 4 Mythago (and SPIRIT, hint, Bud wasn't there) 5 Headrush 6 (can't remember) Sharks possibly 7 Picnic 1 12 Uriel 2 Mr Men and TRibal Discult aren't going up North, so Picnic 1 and Sharks, if it was them, are going instead. The 2 suprises of the tournament (for me any way) were Mythago beating Mr Men, drawing with Shrug, and then losing to Tribal by 1 point in the last 5 seconds to put us out of the final, and us getting Spirit. I'm sure the latter had absolutely nothing to do with us giving several people a lift home to Exeter. That's about all I can remember off the top of my head. Thanks to Lemming for the tournament, it was pretty good for his first, and even managed to find a space for us all to watch the rugby, and organised a top party, even if most teams woosed out, leaving us, Mr Men and Picnic there after 12. See ya up in bonnie Scotland... ---------------------- Rob Cole #7, "The Guv'nor", Mythago Captain, 1996-7 me3101@bris.ac.uk http://www.fen.bris.ac.uk/students/me3101 From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Mar 4 18:26:21 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id SAA20245; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 18:26:01 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id RAA00933; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 17:47:57 GMT Received: from clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id RAA00834; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 17:43:40 GMT Received: from dns0.curved-logic.com by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id JAA18527; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 09:16:19 GMT Received: from pc15.curved-logic.com by dns0.curved-logic.com id aa27237; 4 Mar 97 10:21 GMT Received: by pc15.curved-logic.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BC287B.FE3F9700@pc15.curved-logic.com>; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 09:11:07 -0000 Message-ID: <01BC287B.FE3F9700@pc15.curved-logic.com> From: Kevin Lowe To: "'Britdisc'" Subject: South West Indoors Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 09:11:05 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Just a brief report, as I'm sure someone else should be writing this (Come on Lemming) The number of teams competing continued to drop until just 12 teams turned up on the Saturday (4 of those from Picnic). Darren handled the stress of running his first tournament well, and had plenty of support from the rest of Picnic. Format was round-robin, 18 minute games, with the top two playing out the final. First day provided a few upsets, with Tribal/Discult beating Headrush and Mythago, and Mythago beat Mr. Men and held Shrug (Oxford A) to a draw. The second day had less upsets, but some very close games between Mr. Men and Headrush (6-5) and Picnic 2 drew with Picnic 1. Shrug continued to brush aside all challengers, and finished the round-robin well on top. The other final spot went to Mr. Men who finished level with Tribal/Discult, but had beaten them in the head to head. The final was played on a no-walls pitch (the same one where Regulators lost to Druids back in 94 that Doug recently mentioned). Shrug outscored Mr. Men two to one, and won the final 16-8 (ish). Lee won an 'action man' for MVP. Mythago had a landslide win for spirit (nice Train Spotting call). Final Positions. 1 Shrug 2 Mr. Men 3 Tribal Discult 4 Headrush 5 Mythago (Spirit) 6 Sharks 7 Picnic 1 8 Uriel 1 9 Picnic 2 10 Picnic 3 11 Picnic 4 12 Uriel 2 Top 5 qualify for finals, but wait, here come some pathetic excuses. Mr. Men can't make it, and neither can Tribal Discult (poor excuses about already being booked up that weekend, having no transport, and having no money). So, Sharks and Picnic 1 are both off to Edinburgh. Kevin. -- | E-mail Kev@Curved-logic.com Phone (+44)1244-382371 | Q. Which is the greater problem in the world today, Ignorance or Apathy? | A. I don't know, and I really don't care! From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Mar 4 19:00:00 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id SAA24651; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 18:59:52 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id SAA01981; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 18:22:35 GMT Received: from clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id SAA01935; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 18:20:24 GMT Received: from relay-11.mail.demon.net by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id BAA06459; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 01:04:26 GMT Received: from chevronaf.demon.co.uk ([194.222.81.132]) by relay-10.mail.demon.net id aa1026056; 4 Mar 97 0:59 GMT From: rich@chevronaf.demon.co.uk, ich@chevronaf.demon.co.uk MMDF-Warning: Parse error in original version of preceding line at relay-11.mail.demon.net To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 00:56:29 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Wolves Indoors is back! Reply-to: rich@chevronaf.demon.co.uk Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.42a) Message-ID: <857437167.1026056.0@chevronaf.demon.co.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi y'all Despite all the Indoor/Outdoor debate the Wolves Indoors is ON! After all the Rejects always was a primarily indoor team where new players learned their trade before moving on the the great outdoors, as many more experienced players will no doubt testify. Invite follows, see you in a couple of weeks? Rich Chevron [in exile] THE 1997 WOLVERHAMPTON INDOOR TOURNEY Picture the scene. Wolverhampton. March. Raining. Windy. You're indoors in a hall wanging a peice of plastic at the wall. What could be easier? Yes, the Wolves Indoors is back on the map after a year's sabbatical. And we have an all new massive Premiership class glorious light filled venue with no walls (for the Sunday at least). For those of you fond of nostalgia we still have the traditional Poly hall for the Saturday, the Friday night rendezvous in the Newhampton and a party you woulld die for (or at). The date: 15-16 March The place: Wolves Poly Sports Hall (where else?) Saturday, Molineux Sports Hall Sunday! Further details when you confirm you place. The teams: Rejects plus the next 11 to send me some money (i.e. lots of playing time!). Second and third teams are welcome. The price: A paltry gbp55. Accomodation: A floor somewhere in Wolves. Errr.... that's it. Those teams who have the trophies (and you know who you are), can we have them back? See you in a couple of weeks! Rich Parkes The Hot Stamp Rejects H: 01902-713895 W: 01952-208200 E: rich@chevronaf.demon.co.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Mar 4 19:50:35 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id TAA29743; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 19:50:32 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id TAA04363; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 19:34:35 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id TAA04337; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 19:33:22 GMT Received: from arl-img-5.compuserve.com by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id TAA28083; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 19:33:13 GMT Received: by arl-img-5.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id OAA21318; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 14:32:36 -0500 Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 12:56:02 -0500 From: Jim McDonnell Subject: Qualified SE teams... To: Britdisc Message-ID: <199703041420_MC2-1218-864F@compuserve.com> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk I tried send this last night (admittedly after spending the night in the pub), and it doesn't seem to have gone around BritDisc, so here goes again. If your SE team has qualified for Edinburgh and you're planning to go, *and* you could more easily get to a North London location (say, Arnos Grove tube for argument's sake), is it worth thinking about hiring a 50 seat coach to take us all up there for the Finals? I did some preliminary looking, and assuming 49 of us can be found to fill a coach, we can be chauffeured up there on Friday evening 21st and back Sunday evening 23rd with all the complimentary tea and coffee we can drink on board, toilet etc., for Ł25 a head. I may be able to find a better deal, but if there's no interest I'll stop looking. Any takers or better suggestions? Jim (Village) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Mar 4 22:30:22 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id WAA15896; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 22:30:09 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id WAA09691; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 22:25:15 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id WAA09676; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 22:25:02 GMT Received: from mx2.rmplc.co.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id WAA15450; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 22:24:50 GMT Received: from mx0.rmplc.co.uk (hawk.rmplc.co.uk [194.238.48.14]) by mx2.rmplc.co.uk (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id WAA11866 for ; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 22:24:45 GMT Received: from abingdon-dyn-filt-29.rmplc.co.uk (abingdon-dyn-filt-29.rmplc.co.uk [194.238.52.189]) by mx0.rmplc.co.uk (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id WAA23689 for ; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 22:24:41 GMT Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 22:24:41 GMT Message-Id: <199703042224.WAA23689@mx0.rmplc.co.uk> X-Sender: ahicks@mail.rmplc.co.uk (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: ahicks@rmplc.co.uk (Amanda Hicks) Subject: sw regionals Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Here are the final placings from Plymouth, as I best remember them 1st Shrug 2 Mr Men (not going to ed') 3 Slo'White and the drunken hoards 4 Tribal Discult (not going to ed') (3 and 4 may have been reversed) 5 Mythago (SOTG) (look forward to their call in ed') 6 Sharks 7 Picnic in the sky I -----------------qualifiers-------------------- 8 Uriel I 9 Picnic II ) 10 Picnic III )-again maybe a different order 11 Picnic IV ) 12 Uriel II I'm not doing a tournament report as its not my job and I wasn't paying enough attention to the bits I wasn't involved in, and I'm not doing a final report, because I don't want to give anything away. I just thought you'd like to know who'd qualified. It's good to talk , but its better if someones listening, eh Stu ! see you about Dave (Shrug) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Mar 4 22:34:04 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id WAA16202; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 22:33:57 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id WAA09853; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 22:32:10 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id WAA09846; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 22:31:56 GMT Received: from master by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id WAA15999; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 22:31:18 GMT Message-Id: Date: Tue, 4 Mar 97 23:38 GMT-0100 X-Sender: miscio@infotel.it X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: eurodisc@ira.uka.de From: miscio@infotel.it (Miscione (Jumpi)) Subject: Toby Green Cc: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi there! Does anyone have Toby Green's e-mail address? He's from Oxford, UK and took pictures in Madison 1995. Thanx! JUmpi From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Mar 4 23:00:58 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id XAA18576; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 23:00:55 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id WAA10783; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 22:59:13 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id WAA10775; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 22:59:03 GMT Received: from stone.dcs.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id WAA18452; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 22:59:00 GMT Received: from mail.dcs.warwick.ac.uk by stone.dcs.warwick.ac.uk; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 18:41:27 GMT Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by mail.dcs.warwick.ac.uk; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 18:41:24 GMT Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 18:40:45 GMT Message-Id: <2583.199703041840@thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id SAA02583; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 18:40:45 GMT To: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: BOUNCE britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk: Admin request Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk >From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Mar 4 18:39:31 1997 remote from Received: from violet.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id SAA02555; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 18:39:17 GMT Received: from admin.warwick.ac.uk by violet.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id SAA15126; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 18:39:04 GMT Received: from SIGMA/MERCURY by admin.warwick.ac.uk (Mercury 1.21); 4 Mar 97 18:40:00 +0000 Received: from MERCURY by SIGMA (Mercury 1.21); 4 Mar 97 18:39:35 +0000 From: "DEREK ROBINS" Organization: University of Warwick, CV4 7AL, UK To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 18:39:28 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Who are these teams? Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.1 (R1a) Message-ID: Indoor teams in particular seem to come up with new names every year or even every tournament and unless you hit lots of these tournies it is difficult to know who's who. Putting the town or city they come from would help in these reports. As it is, if anyone asks me who won the SW regionals I shall just SHRUG my shoulders! Del (STAN - whoever they are?) *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*- Derek Robins | | D.J.Robins@admin.warwick.ac.uk Management Accountant | | Tel 01203 523523 x22710 Finance Office | | Fax 01203 524573 University of Warwick | | Room 343 Coventry CV4 7AL | | Senate House *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*- From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Mar 4 23:16:42 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id XAA19828; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 23:16:40 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id IAA22350; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 08:39:53 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id SAA12804; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 18:53:52 GMT Received: from stone.dcs.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id SAA28622; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 18:53:50 GMT Received: from mail.dcs.warwick.ac.uk by stone.dcs.warwick.ac.uk; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 15:56:43 GMT Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by mail.dcs.warwick.ac.uk; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 15:56:34 GMT Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 15:56:30 GMT Message-Id: <8123.199703031556@thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id PAA08123; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 15:56:30 GMT To: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: BOUNCE britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk: Admin request Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk >From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Mar 3 15:56:19 1997 remote from Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id PAA08118; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 15:56:18 GMT Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id PAA26291; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 15:56:13 GMT Received: from rackwick.demon.co.uk ([158.152.28.211]) by relay-5.mail.demon.net id aa522995; 3 Mar 97 14:08 GMT Received: from jonnie.demon.co.uk by rackwick.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA857398099 ; Mon, 03 Mar 97 14:08:19 From: Jonathan Burden To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk MMDF-Warning: Parse error in original version of preceding line at relay-5.mail.demon.net Subject: Northern Qualif. - Lost Property Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 14:01:54 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <857398140.522995.0@rackwick.demon.co.uk> Help, I left my dark blue World's sweat pants and my grey, hooded Sneeeky's top in the hall at Manchester. Did anyone pick them up? Please could you arrange to bring them up to the finals in Edinburgh. Thanks for a great tournament Zebedee's Thank you very much (if you can help or, just for reading this) Jonnie Burden (Sneeeky's old boys - cant remeber a thing) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Mar 4 23:18:46 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id XAA19995; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 23:18:44 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id SAA03149; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 18:52:37 GMT Received: from clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id SAA03124; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 18:51:40 GMT Received: from hil-img-3.compuserve.com by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id AAA06076; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 00:53:26 GMT Received: by hil-img-3.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id TAA19366; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 19:51:33 -0500 Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 19:23:52 -0500 From: Jim McDonnell Subject: SE teams who qualified this weekend... To: Britdisc Message-ID: <199703031951_MC2-120E-F329@compuserve.com> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk OK - here's my idea(s) for Edinburgh; rather than everyone from the immediate South east driving/training/coaching up to edinburgh for the Finals weekend, how about we all get a coach/train/plane organised for 50 or so people? I've checked into the cost of a coach (so far) and it works out at Ł25 per person door to door (ie North London to the sports hall in Edinburgh), including free tea and coffee on the coach, assumign we can get 49 people. I'm goint to find out about train and plane block bookings tomorow hopefully. If you think this is a good idea and your team is in a position to get to North London on the Friday night before the Finals (ie 21 March) then let me know ASAP so I know whether or not to bother trying to work something out. Cheers - Jim (Village (And he knows he is)) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Mar 4 23:23:53 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id XAA20260; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 23:23:46 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id RAA00723; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 17:40:02 GMT Received: from clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id RAA00641; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 17:37:05 GMT Received: from mailer2.lut.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id KAA21424; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 10:20:46 GMT Received: from sun-cc203.lboro.ac.uk [158.125.2.203] (root) by mailer2.lut.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.596 #1) id 0w1rKp-0005Kz-00; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 10:20:39 +0000 Received: from focjw by sun-cc203.lboro.ac.uk with local (Exim 1.596 #1) id 0w1rKl-0007Hn-00; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 10:20:35 +0000 Subject: Earth calling Zebedees! To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 10:20:34 +0000 (GMT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: From: CJ White Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Is there any way humanly possible that I can get in touch with someone from the Zebedees by e-mail as I am a victim of being brought up in such a technologically orientated society that I can no longer write letters by hand, can no longer converse in english on the phone (though conversation with modems, fax machines, toasters and other electrical appliances is not a problem) and I have also lost the ability to write sentences of a sensible length, haylp! haylp! 01010100111100010100... Cheers, Chris "Sinbad" White (PURPLE HAZE, e-mail:- C.J.White-95@lboro.ac.uk) P.S. - I like Lawrence. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Mar 5 00:56:55 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id AAA27035; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 00:56:51 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id AAA13974; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 00:51:37 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id AAA13954; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 00:50:26 GMT Received: from mailhost.atlas.co.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id AAA26673; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 00:50:19 GMT Received: from [193.132.228.150] by mailhost.atlas.co.uk (4.1/PIPEX simple 1.9) id AA06581; Wed, 5 Mar 97 00:53:06 GMT Message-Id: <9703050053.AA06581@mailhost.atlas.co.uk> Subject: WUCC, Sponsorship, and U (ltimatum) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 97 00:55:57 +0000 From: Paul Hurt To: "BritDisc" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hello... Attention teams looking for sponsorship for World Clubs: ======================================================= If you need an extra carrot to dangle in front of the companies you are targeting, you might like to think about offering them exposure through Ultimatum. You could offer potential sponsors a year's prime advertising space in the magazine (such as the entire back cover, in full colour, for three consecutive issues), plus banner advertising on the "Ultimatum Online" web site currently under construction, which would have a potential audience running into tens of thousands. Call or mail me to discuss the possibilities. Paul --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Hurt Editor, Ultimatum Magazine, London, England e-mail aflitho@macline.co.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Mar 5 08:56:07 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id IAA20209; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 08:55:59 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id IAA22742; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 08:49:29 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id IAA22737; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 08:49:18 GMT Received: from hplb.hpl.hp.com by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id IAA19219; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 08:49:11 GMT Received: from hpqm0500.sqf.hp.com by hplb.hpl.hp.com; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 08:49:01 GMT Received: by hpqm0500.sqf.hp.com (1.37.109.20/15.5+ECS 3.4 ) id AA293841740; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 08:49:00 GMT From: Chris Burden Message-Id: <199703050849.AA293841740@hpqm0500.sqf.hp.com> Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 08:48:55 +0000 (GMT) To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Cc: cburden%sqf.hp.com@hplb.hpl.hp.com Subject: Coming Up North... X-Mailer: Ishmail 1.2.2-960610-hp Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/enriched Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi Folks, Jims idea is a very good one. Has he been to skool ? Jim Wrote....... > OK - here's my idea(s) for Edinburgh; rather than everyone from the = > immediate South east driving/training/coaching up to Edinburgh for the > Finals weekend, how about we all get a coach/train/plane organised for > 50 or so people? I've checked into the cost of a coach (so far) and it > works out at =A325 per person door to door (ie North London to the > sports hall in Edinburgh), including free tea and coffee on the coach, > assuming we can get 49 people. I'm goint to find out about train and > plane block bookings tomorrow hopefully. We (Sneeeky's) did just this a few years ago when we took 3 outdoors teams and St Andrews down for the Outdoors Nationals in Oxford. At that time we had about 45 folks on the bus. The cost came out at about 32 pounds per person. We had to provide B&B for the driver. This was quick, comfortable and probably the best way to travel up north. The trains are VERY expensive and its too late to get a cheap Flight up (which can sometimes come out cheaper than the train). If you get the right coach company, you will be able to see videos on the way up - things like the WUCC 96 finals or other inspiring stuff. We watched Resevior Dogs and then Jungle Book. At the tournament we were seriously fired up ! From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Mar 5 09:18:38 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id JAA22927; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 09:18:25 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id JAA23505; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 09:15:08 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id JAA23497; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 09:14:57 GMT Received: from maelstrom.dial.pipex.net by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id JAA22388; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 09:14:44 GMT Received: from typhoon.dial.pipex.net (158.43.128.27) by maelstrom.dial.pipex.net (8.8.3/) id JAA12454; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 09:14:37 GMT Received: from [194.203.111.151] (194.203.111.151) by typhoon.dial.pipex.net (8.8.2/UUNET PIPEX simple 1.29) id JAA11783; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 09:12:04 GMT Message-Id: <199703050912.JAA11783@typhoon.dial.pipex.net> From: "Richard Clegg" To: "'Britdisc'" Subject: Northern Indoors Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 09:18:34 -0800 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk OK, since no-one else is going to do it: 1. Chevron 1 2. Chevron 2 3. Zebedee 4. Sneeeky's 1 5. Phat'Eds 1 6. St. Andrews 1 (5 and 6 might be the other way round) Not sure about the rest, bu that's who qualifies. 20 teams (well, 19 and a pick-up), normal tournamnet format, 13 minute games on two smallish pitches. Incidents of note: Sneeeky's beating Chevron 2 in the pool on Saturday, only to lose to them by one point in the semi. Phat'Eds taking Chevron 1 to sudden death in the quarters. St.Andrews splitting their A-team players between teams 1 and 2, hoping both could qualify, only for their 'B' team to lose their cross-over match with Zebedee in sudden death, Sneeeky's 3 winning the spoon (17th) and Spirit. Anybody have anything else to add? Scuttler, Sneeeky's ************************************************************ Richard J. Clegg Web Developer, Company Net richard@company-net.co.uk ************************************************************ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Mar 5 09:40:39 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id JAA25933; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 09:40:29 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id JAA24101; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 09:34:41 GMT Received: from violet.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id JAA24096; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 09:34:33 GMT Received: from admin.warwick.ac.uk by violet.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id JAA25554; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 09:33:47 GMT Received: from SIGMA/MERCURY by admin.warwick.ac.uk (Mercury 1.21); 5 Mar 97 09:34:46 +0000 Received: from MERCURY by SIGMA (Mercury 1.21); 5 Mar 97 09:34:35 +0000 From: "DEREK ROBINS" Organization: University of Warwick, CV4 7AL, UK To: miscio@infotel.it (Miscione (Jumpi)), britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk, eurodisc@ira.uka.de Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 09:34:32 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Toby Green Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.1 (R1a) Message-ID: <10B61F07D05@admin.warwick.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Jumpi asked ... > Does anyone have Toby Green's e-mail address? > > He's from Oxford, UK and took pictures in Madison 1995. I am sure many people have an e-address for Toby but perhaps they don't realise that he has left his employer - Elsevier. I suspect therefore that e-mail will not reach him. His phone number is 44 (0) 1865 69789 Del *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*- Derek Robins | | D.J.Robins@admin.warwick.ac.uk Management Accountant | | Tel 01203 523523 x22710 Finance Office | | Fax 01203 524573 University of Warwick | | Room 343 Coventry CV4 7AL | | Senate House *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*- From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Mar 5 10:04:35 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id KAA29949; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 10:04:32 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id JAA24869; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 09:58:48 GMT Received: from amsta.leeds.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id JAA24863; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 09:58:40 GMT Received: from newton.leeds.amsta (newton.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.64]) by amsta.leeds.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA11773 for ; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 09:57:24 GMT Received: by newton.leeds.amsta (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA15084; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 10:01:16 GMT Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 10:01:16 GMT From: amtsjh@amsta.leeds.ac.uk (S J Hill) Message-Id: <199703051001.KAA15084@newton.leeds.amsta> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Several messages... X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi - I write too many messages to BD - so here are several things all in one. 1. AIR 22 - flights to Canada. The Gaffer mentioned that maybe my first email wasn't clear in saying that if I don't hear from enough people by the end of the week I will sack the whole plan. Thats not full committment - just interest. Please get in touch if you are interested rather than me boring everyone with all the details about the flights. 2. Ultim8 Tour. The info is being copied as I type this... and will be in the post tomorrow. I won't be sending this pack on email because its too big and will fill the mail spools of all undergrad students on BD - which will not help my popularity (such as it is) with the student ultimate community! 3. Northern Indoors. "Phat'Eds and Chevron I in sudden death quarter finals". Mmmm - this sounds interesting... any more details on that story? Must get on - the fish are calling... Si oh - and for anyone who reads their email on a ZX81, my email address is: amtsjh@amsta.leeds.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Mar 5 10:27:14 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id KAA03554; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 10:27:09 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id KAA25620; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 10:21:09 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id KAA25593; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 10:20:11 GMT Received: from dira.bris.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id KAA02525; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 10:20:00 GMT Received: from kukini.cs.bris.ac.uk by dira.bris.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Wed, 5 Mar 1997 10:18:26 +0000 Received: from kiha by kukini.compsci.bristol.ac.uk id aa05875; 5 Mar 97 10:16 GMT Received: from localhost by kiha.cs.bris.ac.uk (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA24158; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 10:16:44 GMT To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: SW results Reply-To: lafave@cs.bris.ac.uk Date: Wed, 05 Mar 1997 10:16:43 +0000 Message-ID: <24157.857557003@kiha> From: Laura Lafave Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk OK, I have now read 3 different results for the SW Regionals. Mythago placed higher than Slow White and the Smelly Hordes (HeadRush), who came 5th (not 4th as in Kevin's report). So, one last time, the top 5 from the SW Regionals were: 1 Shrub (Oxford?) 2 Mr. Men 3 Tribal Discult 4 Mythago (Spirit) 5 Slow White (Bristol) and I think all the previous emails to Britdisc agreed from here onwards. One more thanks to Lemming for doing a really great job with the tournament and the party (even though we are old gits (except for Katey) we were there ;)). Laura From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Mar 5 11:21:31 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA15184; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 11:21:27 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id LAA27204; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 11:16:08 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA27198; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 11:15:45 GMT Received: from ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id LAA13984; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 11:15:40 GMT Received: from caj1.arch.cam.ac.uk [131.111.34.20] by ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.61 #3) id 0w2EfW-0004p4-00; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 11:15:35 +0000 Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 11:18:40 GMT From: "Dora A. Kemp" To: Subject: Midlands Regionals X-Mailer: Mulberry [1.0.1, s/n #10001] X-Authenticated: dak12 by imap.cus.cam.ac.uk X-Licensed-To: University of Cambridge MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Midlands Regionals (from the perspective of Strange Blue) Thank you Merrick for hosting a fantastic tournament in Cheltenham this past weekend. The venue had two pitches (with a very useful waist-high wall on one side), a great viewing stand, cafeteria and gorgeous hot showers in the swimming pool area. And to top it all off we all stayed in a hotel(!!) which was within walking distance by the famous racecourse and included a full English breakfast, a great start to Sunday. I am afraid I do not know the total results of the tournament because we were concentrating on trying to qualify but I shall do my best. The top 6 go to Edinburgh. 1. Red 2. STAN 3. Blue Arse Flies I 4. Bears I 5. Strange Blue 6. Superfly ------------- 7. Twin Peaks (Plate) 8. Blue Arse Flies II 9. Mad Kows 10. Bears II 11. Funky Nuns (Spirit) (9th and 10th could be reversed) Two teams had unfortunately dropped out at the last minute (Bears III and Jesters) but that meant there was plenty of opportunity to play pickup games. The great thing about this tournament was that there was plenty of playing time. Strange Blue played 9 games (5 of 23 minutes and 4 of 27 minutes) and won 8 of them!!! We only lost to Stan and that game was 12-9. So why were we only 5th you may ask? Well with 11 teams it was difficult to decide on the crossovers on the second day. We drew STAN and had a fantastic game trading points. In the end their experience got the better of us. Ironically it worked out that despite us beating Bears I they ended up above us yet again. Revenge! :) The final between Red and Stan was very exciting. They traded points with Stan being slightly ahead all the way along. It was evens by the buzzer, and stayed that way through 2 minutes of overtime. Red then made the crucial D and tight score in sudden death. I saw a video still of the final point (courtesy of a Mad Kow) and there was Duncan, back foot in the end zone front foot out and above the ground and disc in hand. Fantastic shot. Scott to Duncan streaking to the forehand corner was the key scoring strategy they used to equalize the game 2 or 3 times. A great, intense match to watch. Cheers to the Blue Arse Flies for one of the best tournaments I have been to. I am sure they have the full scores as we were required to write them down on forms and a member of each team had to sign them. I know Merrick is not on email. Does any Blue Arse Fly have the full scores and can put them on britdisc? Dora Kemp Strange Blue Whatever does good should be held in honour, and the only shame is in doing harm. - Plato McDonald Institute for Archaeological Research Downing Street, Cambridge, England, CB2 3ER (01223) 339336; (01223) 333536 (FAX)/(01223) 339285 From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Mar 5 11:28:55 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA16384; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 11:28:41 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id LAA27368; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 11:19:54 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA27363; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 11:19:43 GMT Received: from ritig1.rit.reuters.com by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id LAA14828; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 11:19:20 GMT Received: from ritig4.rit.reuters.com by ritig1.rit.reuters.com; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/14Sep94-0947PM) id AA21196; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 06:16:45 -0500 Received: from mr.rit.reuters.com by RITIG4.RIT.REUTERS.COM (PMDF V5.1-7 #7805) id <01IG4TA5LITS000I3M@RITIG4.RIT.REUTERS.COM> for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 06:16:32 EST Received: with PMDF-MR; Wed, 05 Mar 1997 11:16:53 +0000 (GMT) Mr-Received: by mta REC.MUAS; Relayed; Wed, 05 Mar 1997 11:16:53 +0000 Mr-Received: by mta RE6; Relayed; Wed, 05 Mar 1997 11:16:56 +0000 Mr-Received: by mta RITIG4; Relayed; Wed, 05 Mar 1997 11:16:27 +0000 Disclose-Recipients: prohibited Date: Wed, 05 Mar 1997 11:16:53 +0000 (GMT) From: Patrick Moore 5884 Subject: Re: E-mail whinge! In-Reply-To: <7847581403031997/A54832/RE6/11B31BBA2F00@RITIG4.RIT.REUTERS.COM> To: britdisc Message-Id: <6553161105031997/A77594/RE6/11B32AD03400*@MHS> Autoforwarded: false Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Importance: normal Priority: normal Sensitivity: Company-Confidential Ua-Content-Id: 11B32AD03400 X400-Mts-Identifier: [;6553161105031997/A77594/RE6] Hop-Count: 2 Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk I wrote (among other things): >Or perhaps it's that hardly anyone else ever bothers to append their >e-mail address, forcing anybody that wishes to reply to a mail to >direct their response to the entire BritDisc mailing list! Much to my surprise (not!) this prompted a few responses. Thank you to all those people who made their point politely. FOAD to those who made the same point and managed to be condescending, patronising or offensive into the bargain. I'm afraid, however, that everybody's "helpful" suggestion doesn't actually help. The serious point is this: owing to some interaction between the Warwick list server and the Reuters e-mail gateway, Britdisc postings arrive in my mail system with "owner-britdisc" in the "From" field. Details of the original sender are completely absent from the message, the header and the 1.5 KB of IP routing junk that comes with each Britdisc mail. This obviously isn't the way it works for most people, and it is possible that I am the one and only person that experiences this problem. However I doubt it. Therefore I repeat my original request. Please take the extra three seconds and append your e-mail address to any postings. (Or, if you can't be bothered, set up a ".sig" file, which will do it automatically.) Thanks for your attention. Bye for now, Patrick -- patrick.moore@reuters.com From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Mar 5 11:37:26 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA18087; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 11:37:22 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id LAA27707; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 11:32:27 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA27702; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 11:32:17 GMT Received: from mail.rmplc.net by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA16975; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 11:32:12 GMT Received: from acotgreave.rmplc.net ([172.16.27.34]) by mail.rmplc.net (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA16693; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 11:32:06 GMT Message-Id: <199703051132.LAA16693@mail.rmplc.net> From: "Andy Cotgreave" To: "Britdisc" , "S J Hill" Subject: Re: Several messages... Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 11:25:21 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi all, > > 3. Northern Indoors. "Phat'Eds and Chevron I in sudden death quarter finals". > Mmmm - this sounds interesting... any more details on that story? > > Well, Si actually knows the full story already, and I suspect he is just fishing for people's views. So, here is what happened: Phat'Eds go 2-0 up at the start of the game, and Chevron spend the rest of the time battling to get back to level the scores, not without much difficulty. Time is running out, and Phat'Eds have the disc with 10 seconds left. I am marking the guy with the disk. I stall him out, but he throws it just as I have said 'Eight'. The disk is caught (quite spectacularly) in the zone by a Phat'Ed (can't remember his name, but it was a fab catch, with Harry Golby breathing right down his neck). The hooter goes immediately after this catch, and the Phat'Eds go mad, Chevron look crushed, with the game apparently over. Thing is, I'd called a stall out, but cos I was losing my voice, noone had heard it. And so, I had to call it back. We got the disc, and scored. Not the best way to win a game, but that's what happened. It was all far too close for comfort! Once again, sorry to the Phat'Eds for the way the game ended, and hopefully we will get a good re-match at the finals. Andy C Chevron From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Mar 5 12:42:22 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id MAA00090; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 12:41:54 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id MAA29597; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 12:36:09 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id MAA29591; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 12:35:51 GMT Received: from mailhost.atlas.co.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id MAA28667; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 12:33:46 GMT Received: from [193.132.228.157] by mailhost.atlas.co.uk (4.1/PIPEX simple 1.9) id AA27619; Wed, 5 Mar 97 12:36:34 GMT Message-Id: <9703051236.AA27619@mailhost.atlas.co.uk> Subject: Ultimatum Update Date: Wed, 5 Mar 97 12:39:26 +0000 From: Paul Hurt To: "BritDisc" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk For your information... I will be posting out Updates to teams just as soon as I can. Right now I am trapped beneath a work deadline and can't even consider doing anything about distributing the Update for a couple of days - it's a major job. I'm only really stuck up against this deadline because I spent so much time skiving off doing the Update last week anyway, so it all evens out in the end. At least the South East teams got it at the weekend. Can anyone tell me which teams are going to Warwick? It will save the BUF some cash if I can distribute some copies there instead of posting them. Thanks Paul --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Hurt Editor, Ultimatum Magazine, London, England e-mail aflitho@macline.co.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Mar 5 12:59:57 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id MAA03365; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 12:59:51 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id MAA29926; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 12:48:52 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id MAA29918; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 12:48:36 GMT Received: from venus.le.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id MAA01448; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 12:48:33 GMT Received: from hawk.le.ac.uk by venus.le.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Wed, 5 Mar 1997 12:02:54 +0000 Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 11:59:21 +0000 (GMT) From: Scott X-Sender: iws1@hawk To: britdisc Subject: Midlands Results Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Midlands Indoors I will try to give an accurate report of the goings on at the Midlands Regional Indoors. I wonder why no Stan(ies) have posted before now? The tournament was covered in the local press with a centre page spread and by Central television (south). Thanks to Merrick and his crew for putting on a great tournament with loads of playing time! The places went to; 1. Red 2. Stan 3. Blue Arse Flies 4. Bears I 5. Strange Blue 6. Superfly 7. Twin Peaks (Plate) 8. Mad Cows 9. BAF 2 10. Bears 2 11. Funky Nuns Please excuse any mistakes I did this from memory. Blue Arse flies beat both Red and Stan in Pool play but then lost to both in the quarters and semis respectively - I think there'll be up for it up in sunny Ed. Twin Peaks were suprise plate winners - because they didn't even know they were playing the plate final. As far as Red goes we had a thoroughly enjoyable tournament with all our games at least 23mins and around 4hours of playing time in total. We particularly enjoyed the final in which we trailed right the way through to time pulling level 2 seconds before the final hooter. After an extra 2 minutes of playing time the scores were still level so sudden death followed. Stan in possession of the disc were moving nicely until Mr Disc Sports (sam neilson) decided to pass me the disc - what a nice man! At the end of the day we had our fun and both teams enjoy playing each other indoors, but not half as much as outdoors. Up the revolution Scott /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ SCOTT: Ian Scotland Tel: 0116 2525824 Fax: 0116 2523154 E-mail: iws1@le.ac.uk http://wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk/buf/ /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Mar 5 14:27:04 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id OAA19604; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 14:26:59 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id OAA01896; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 14:03:45 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id OAA01890; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 14:03:31 GMT Received: from E-MAIL.COM by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id OAA15602; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 14:03:24 GMT Received: from IMXGATE.COM by E-MAIL.COM (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with BSMTP id 7631; Wed, 05 Mar 97 09:01:15 EST Received: from Pluto.greigfester.com by imxgate.com (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with TCP; Wed, 05 Mar 97 08:59:50 EST Received: by Pluto.greigfester.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63) id <01BC296D.ABE30FD0@Pluto.greigfester.com>; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 14:01:07 -0000 Message-ID: From: "Wagstaff, Colin" To: "'Britdisc'" Subject: Up North.... Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 13:59:56 -0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi everyone, Regarding travel to Edinburgh for the National Indoors by coach, Chris wrote....... >We (Sneeeky's) did just this a few years ago when we took 3 outdoors >teams and St Andrews down for the Outdoors Nationals in Oxford. >At that time we had about 45 folks on the bus. The cost came out at >about 32 pounds per person. We had to provide B&B for the driver. >This was quick, comfortable and probably the best way to travel up >north. The trains are VERY expensive and its too late to get a cheap=20 Flight >up(which can sometimes come out cheaper than the train). I can understand getting to or from another city not as large as=20 London, i.e. Oxford can have it's difficulty and there are many options open=20 to you, most of which Chris covered. However, if you live in London and=20 actually pay some attention to the advertisements plastered all over the tube you=20 will no doubt be aware that GNER (Great North Eastern Railways) are offering=20 single tickets to a number of northern cities for only =A319, for those=20 mathematically challenged that makes a =A338 return fare. I booked my ticket a week or so ago but I know of others who booked=20 more recently so there is probably still some availability, I think the=20 telephone number is 0345 225 225 for bookings. There is slight catch in that you have to specify which trains you=20 going to travel and there is no way of changing them (usual BR conditions on any cheap=20 ticket) I'm going to be on the 5:00pm from KX on Friday night that gets to=20 Edinburgh at 9:15pm. I return on Sunday night on the last train back to the capital=20 which leaves Edinburgh at 6:00pm and reaches KX at 11:32pm. I know it's rather a=20 long journey on Sunday but given the fantastic weekend I intend on having I'll=20 probably be ready for a 5 =BD hour sleep. I hope to see some of you either at KX or on the train and the rest of=20 you up in Edinburgh. Happy travelling, Colin. Druids. National Indoor Champions (1997TBC) 1996, 1995, 1994, 1992. I=20 think........ Wagstaff_C@greigfester.com From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Mar 5 14:50:07 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id OAA23742; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 14:49:37 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id OAA02945; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 14:45:47 GMT Received: from clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id OAA02939; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 14:45:38 GMT From: Chris.Patten@octel.com Received: from gw3.octel.com by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id OAA21735; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 14:44:18 GMT Received: (from daemon@localhost) by gw3.octel.com (8.6.10/8.6.12) id GAA09084 for ; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 06:41:01 -0800 Received: from cornus.cssd.octel.com(148.147.84.200) by gw3.octel.com via smap (V1.3) id sma009082; Wed Mar 5 06:40:38 1997 Received: by cornus.cssd.octel.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63) id <01BC2973.30885470@cornus.cssd.octel.com>; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 14:40:37 -0000 Message-ID: To: , Subject: RE: E-mail whinge! Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 14:40:36 -0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Three points: 1) Your gateway doesn't work properly - not our fault. 2) The whole idea of mailing lists is you don't have to explicitly add recipients. I use quite a few and have never seen the practice you suggest. 3) A .sig file is a mail client-specific device which is probably limited to UNIX mail clients. Chris. >---------- >From: Patrick Moore 5884[SMTP:patrick.moore@reuters.com] >Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 1997 11:16 AM >To: britdisc >Subject: Re: E-mail whinge! > >I wrote (among other things): > >>Or perhaps it's that hardly anyone else ever bothers to append their >>e-mail address, forcing anybody that wishes to reply to a mail to >>direct their response to the entire BritDisc mailing list! > >Much to my surprise (not!) this prompted a few responses. Thank you to >all those people who made their point politely. FOAD to those who made >the same point and managed to be condescending, patronising or >offensive into the bargain. I'm afraid, however, that everybody's >"helpful" suggestion doesn't actually help. > >The serious point is this: owing to some interaction between the >Warwick list server and the Reuters e-mail gateway, Britdisc postings >arrive in my mail system with "owner-britdisc" in the "From" field. >Details of the original sender are completely absent from the message, >the header and the 1.5 KB of IP routing junk that comes with each >Britdisc mail. > >This obviously isn't the way it works for most people, and it is >possible that I am the one and only person that experiences this >problem. However I doubt it. Therefore I repeat my original request. >Please take the extra three seconds and append your e-mail address to >any postings. (Or, if you can't be bothered, set up a ".sig" file, >which will do it automatically.) > >Thanks for your attention. > >Bye for now, >Patrick >-- >patrick.moore@reuters.com > > From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Mar 5 14:50:51 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id OAA23967; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 14:50:48 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id OAA02854; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 14:41:20 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id OAA02836; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 14:40:51 GMT Received: from pp2.shef.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id OAA22114; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 14:40:37 GMT Received: from Agden.shef.ac.uk by pp2.shef.ac.uk with local SMTP (PP); Wed, 5 Mar 1997 14:08:29 +0000 Received: from AGDEN/MAILQUEUE by Agden.shef.ac.uk (Mercury 1.21); 5 Mar 97 14:08:29 +0000 Received: from MAILQUEUE by AGDEN (Mercury 1.30); 5 Mar 97 14:08:24 +0000 From: "Phat 'eds" To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 14:08:16 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Disappointed Northern Qualifiers Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <16DDAD84356@Agden.shef.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk To begin with I accept that the organisers were the only people who came forward to organise the tournament and for that they deserve full credit. HOWEVER The complaints about the hall are quite simple. (a) the hall was small to begin with, but when it had to be divided into 2 for pool games it became a farce. (b) it was dangerous, metal hooks hanging off the walls at head height, plus nowhere for people to stand meant frequent clashes with the crowd (c) there wasn't really anywhere to sit between playing, or to leave you're stuff. (d) irratic scheduling Obviously none of this is directly the organiser's fault, and I am not looking for a lynch mob to reproach them about the weekend. The important aspect I think that needs looking at is that the Indoor Regionals are a fairly important tournament on the circuit, and one which, of all the tournamnts, deserves to be well organised and well run. As coverage increases of our sport, which it surely will, it is essential that it presents a respectable image. Obviously if people are not forthcoming in organising tournaments then little can be done to remedy this situation. It is clear however from this weekend that some sort of standard needs to exist to regulate the conditions, sizes etc.. under which a regional qualifier should be held. As to the pricing of the tournament that I feel is the main problem. The story was that only 8 teams had registered a week before and therefore the cost was set at 70 pounds , fair enough. But when 20 teams turned up this should have signaled a price cut rather than an increase in profits to a a vast amount. I am not against paying 70 for a tournament, and I'm sure the finals will be well worth 75. However, you are paying for a service, and at that price you are expecting the Nike of tournaments, rather than the Dunlop Green Flash. Cheers, Phat 'eds. If any other Northern teams feel as strongly about the inadequacy of the venue or the cost levied or alternatively feel that we are being unfair mail From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Mar 5 15:07:12 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id PAA26536; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 15:07:07 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id OAA03313; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 14:59:27 GMT Received: from clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id OAA03296; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 14:59:09 GMT Received: from polaris.kbw.co.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id OAA22186; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 14:59:01 GMT Received: from RUKBAT.kbw.co.uk (RUKBAT.kbw.co.uk [194.70.193.70]) by polaris.kbw.co.uk (NTMail 3.02.10) with ESMTP id ha005285 for ; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 14:58:25 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970305150305.0095ca10@mail> X-Sender: roger@mail X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 05 Mar 1997 15:03:06 +0000 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: Roger Thomson Subject: RE: E-mail whinge! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk At 14:40 05/03/97 -0000, Chris wrote: >Three points: >3) A .sig file is a mail client-specific device which is probably >limited to UNIX mail clients. not at all. most PC mail packages let you specify and use a range of user-created signatures. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Mar 5 15:23:58 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id PAA29189; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 15:23:50 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id PAA03637; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 15:10:47 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id PAA03626; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 15:10:32 GMT Received: from curlew.cs.man.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id PAA27001; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 15:10:19 GMT Received: from fs4.eng.man.ac.uk by curlew.cs.man.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Wed, 5 Mar 1997 14:21:05 +0000 Received: from MAN-ENG-FS4/MAILQUEUE by fs4.eng.man.ac.uk (Mercury 1.21); 5 Mar 97 14:23:29 GMT Received: from MAILQUEUE by MAN-ENG-FS4 (Mercury 1.21); 5 Mar 97 13:37:20 GMT From: "I.T.Cuddihy" To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 13:37:15 GMT Subject: Chevron/Phat'eds game X-Confirm-Reading-To: "I.T.Cuddihy" X-pmrqc: 1 Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.31 Message-ID: <9598380F96@fs4.eng.man.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Dear B.D.ers, I think one of the best things to note about the Chevron/Phat'eds game was not what happened on the court but what happened afterwards. While there has been a lot of talk lately about playing to the rules but with respect to your opponents and the SOTG I think this game showed it can be done. It was a very important game for both teams (bound to effect seedings in the finals), and some lesser teams may have let their spirit slip, but to show there were no hard feelings they swopped shirts for their respective finals. While I don't play for either team and as such can't speak for them , I'd just like to say it was nice to see that even in important games, disputes, once settled in a game, can stay settled. Thats my piece for now, Love and luck from the North Ian Fingers 6 P.S. cheers to all the Sneeekys who stayed with me for the weekend. Call back again next time. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Mar 5 15:34:29 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id PAA00580; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 15:32:25 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id PAA03846; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 15:19:18 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id PAA03840; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 15:19:10 GMT Received: from lynx.europe.shiva.com by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id PAA28482; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 15:19:03 GMT Received: from eurohub.europe.shiva.com (eurohub.europe.shiva.com [134.191.64.200]) by lynx.europe.shiva.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA00142 for ; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 15:18:25 GMT Received: from Lotus Notes (PU Serial #1281) by eurohub.europe.shiva.com (PostalUnion/SMTP(tm) v2.1.7 for Windows NT(tm)) id AA-1997Mar05.131452.1281.424848; Wed, 05 Mar 1997 15:16:28 GMT From: agw@europe.shiva.com (CN=Andrew Wilson/OU=Eng/OU=EDI/O=Shiva) To: Britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Message-ID: <1997Mar05.131452.1281.424848@eurohub.europe.shiva.com> X-Conversion-ID: X-Mailer: Lotus Notes via PostalUnion/SMTP for Windows NT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Organization: Shiva Europe Ltd Date: Wed, 05 Mar 1997 15:16:28 GMT Subject: Long journeys Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk I'd be happy if the longest journey we (Sneeekys) had to make to get to a tournament was only 5 and a half hours. We consider that a short to average road trip :-) Getting to Edinburgh for a tournament is not really such a big deal, folks. You'll be glad you came to Britain's finest city.... Here's looking forward to a weekend to remember Miggins agw@europe.shiva.com -------- Colin says: There is slight catch in that you have to specify which trains you going to travel and there is no way of changing them (usual BR conditions on any cheap ticket) I'm going to be on the 5:00pm from KX on Friday night that gets to Edinburgh at 9:15pm. I return on Sunday night on the last train back to the capital which leaves Edinburgh at 6:00pm and reaches KX at 11:32pm. I know it's rather a long journey on Sunday but given the fantastic weekend I intend on having I'll probably be ready for a 5 hour sleep. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Mar 5 16:08:30 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id QAA06910; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 16:08:23 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id PAA04782; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 15:55:46 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id PAA04775; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 15:55:28 GMT Received: from renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id PAA04364; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 15:55:13 GMT Received: from mull.sms.ed.ac.uk (mull.sms.ed.ac.uk [129.215.141.1]) by renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk (8.6.13/8.6.12) with ESMTP id PAA22361 for ; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 15:55:12 GMT Received: from SMS-MULL/SpoolDir by mull.sms.ed.ac.uk (Mercury 1.21); 5 Mar 97 15:51:44 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by SMS-MULL (Mercury 1.21); 5 Mar 97 15:51:18 +0000 From: "BARRY O'KANE" <9363680@mull.sms.ed.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 15:51:07 +0000 Subject: National indoor finals Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <88F915F6DD9@mull.sms.ed.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi, It appears that not everyone who qualified was given details on the finals up here in Ed. (despite the fact that they were posted out to all TDs last week). So here are osme details: Date: 22/23 March Venue: Meadowbank Sports Centre, Edinburgh Cost: stlg75 (I hope you will find the weekend worth it) Capts meeting will be at 840am on Sat morning and play begins at 9am. Play finishes at 5pm on Sun evening so it is possible to make the 6pm train - though it will be rushed and mean a taxi ride I expect. Please contact me before Sunday the 9th (and pay if poss) to confirm if you are coming or not. Accom: Floor space is available on a first pay basis. And I can send a list of B&Bs etc to anyone who asks (though you may be better ringing the Tourist office or try "talking pages"). Friday night: We are meeting at the Physician and Firkin pub on Dalkeith road opposite the commonwealth pool. We'll be there from 8pm to 1am - and if you can't make it then let me know. For those that did not recieve maps, directions etc at the qualifiers I can post these - just ask! Also, I will be putting all of this info (including maps) on the sneeekys web site on Friday - I'll let you know. We promise you a quality venue, a great party and an really good time. See you soon. BARRY PS: Can you make sure that this info is passed on to teams not on email or let me know who they are - cheers. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Mar 5 16:32:55 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id QAA11081; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 16:32:50 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id QAA05799; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 16:28:08 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id QAA05794; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 16:28:01 GMT Received: from goole.octacon.co.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id QAA10251; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 16:27:57 GMT Received: from mailgate.pantek.co.uk (post.pantek.co.uk [194.176.73.2]) by goole.octacon.co.uk (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA24844 for ; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 16:27:13 GMT Received: by mailgate.pantek.co.uk with NT SMTP Gateway ver 31 id <331D9EFD@mailgate.pantek.co.uk>; Wed, 05 Mar 97 16:27:41 G From: "Williams, Mark" To: "'britdisc'" Subject: FW: Northern Indoors Date: Wed, 05 Mar 97 16:24:00 G Message-ID: <331D9EFD@mailgate.pantek.co.uk> Encoding: 34 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Don't know if this worked before - if it did sorry for the repeat, if it didn't...well I wouldn't want you all to miss out on my wonderful thoughts would I? ---------- From: Williams, Mark To: britdisc-owner Subject: Northern Indoors Date: 05 March 1997 14:36 I don't know which teams came where apart from the results already posted so I won't confuse matters by attempting a list. I would just like to compliment the Phat Eds on a great display of both how to play Ultimate and how to accept defeat in the most heartbreaking circumstances. The spirit they showed both immediately after the match and during the rest of the tournament was an example of everything that makes Ultimate such a great sport to play. Memorable moments from the weekend include Phat Eds versus Disciples in the 6th-7th playoff to decide who goes to Edinburgh - a great game finally decided when a Bradford player caught an endzone pass just out of bounds, Chevron II going 4-0 up in the Semi's, Sneeeky's pulling out the stops to lead 5-4 only for Chevron to eventually win by a point and finally I must mention the final, great fun to play our 2nd team and we wore Phat Eds shirts as a gesture. Thanks to the Zebedees for putting on a great tournament and managing to juggle 19 teams - Northern Ultimate is looking pretty strong! I would also like to echo Patrick's sentiments about e-mail - I also sometimes cannot glean an e-mail address from all the crap included in my mail. Mark Chevron markw@pantek.co.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Mar 5 16:37:37 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id QAA11964; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 16:37:32 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id QAA05671; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 16:24:30 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id QAA05665; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 16:24:18 GMT Received: from stone.dcs.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id QAA09574; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 16:24:14 GMT From: Ralf Message-Id: <15273.199703051624@stone.dcs.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: RE: E-mail whinge! To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 16:23:44 +0000 (GMT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25 PGP2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk > 1) Your gateway doesn't work properly - not our fault. True. Your gateway should be setting 'Sender:' to britdisc, not 'From:' > 3) A .sig file is a mail client-specific device which is probably > limited to UNIX mail clients. Very few mailers don't allow you to have some kind of signature. I could probably force britdisc mail to add some kind automatic signature at the end of each mail, but for most people, this really is unneeded. > >The serious point is this: owing to some interaction between the > >Warwick list server and the Reuters e-mail gateway, Britdisc postings > >arrive in my mail system with "owner-britdisc" in the "From" field. > >Details of the original sender are completely absent from the message, > >the header and the 1.5 KB of IP routing junk that comes with each > >Britdisc mail. I really doubt there is 1.5Kb of routing junk. There should probably be about 6 lines, maybe more if your mail is spooled somewhere on the way. The Warwick servers connect directly to the SMTP port of the target host, it's something at your end which is forwarding the mail around Reuters that's causing the problem. However, there IS an archive of BritDisc at http://www.csv.warwick.ac.uk/~suaaz/BritDisc/ which contains all the articles in their complete form. You can always look there to get the information your machine is removing. ____ ____ _ _ ____ .----------------------------------------. _\__ \ _\__ \ / \ / \\__/ | Ranulf Doswell | / \_/ /_ / \_/ \ / / / /___ | 3rd year Computer Science, Warwick Uni | \ __ \\ __ \\ \ _\ \\_/ | ralf@dcs.warwick.ac.uk | \ \ \ \\ \ \ \\ \__/ \\ \ | http://www.csv.warwick.ac.uk/~mauer/ | \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \______/ \_/ `----------------------------------------' From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Mar 5 17:23:25 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id RAA19115; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 17:23:19 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id RAA07129; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 17:16:03 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id RAA07124; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 17:15:51 GMT Received: from renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id RAA18013; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 17:15:15 GMT Received: from mull.sms.ed.ac.uk (mull.sms.ed.ac.uk [129.215.141.1]) by renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk (8.6.13/8.6.12) with ESMTP id RAA00005 for ; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 17:15:09 GMT Received: from SMS-MULL/SpoolDir by mull.sms.ed.ac.uk (Mercury 1.21); 5 Mar 97 17:11:42 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by SMS-MULL (Mercury 1.21); 5 Mar 97 17:11:21 +0000 From: "BARRY O'KANE" <9363680@mull.sms.ed.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 17:11:16 +0000 Subject: Student clubs Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <890E6F461C1@mull.sms.ed.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi all, The student outdoor finals: Date: 26/27 April Venue: Southampton. Details/invites to follow by snail mail. BARRY PS Results for the Student Survey that was carried out a couple of months ago are avialable if anyone is interested. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Mar 5 22:23:47 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id WAA21718; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 22:23:42 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id WAA14233; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 22:19:23 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id WAA14228; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 22:19:15 GMT Received: from relay-7.mail.demon.net by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id WAA21255; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 22:19:13 GMT Received: from chevronaf.demon.co.uk ([194.222.81.132]) by relay-6.mail.demon.net id aa0618779; 5 Mar 97 22:00 GMT From: rich@chevronaf.demon.co.uk, ich@chevronaf.demon.co.uk MMDF-Warning: Parse error in original version of preceding line at relay-7.mail.demon.net To: C.J.Goldberg@sheffield.ac.uk Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 18:04:22 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Disappointed to have to rise to the bait (long) Reply-to: rich@chevronaf.demon.co.uk CC: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk X-Confirm-Reading-To: rich@chevronaf.demon.co.uk X-pmrqc: 1 Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.42a) Message-ID: <857599261.0618779.0@chevronaf.demon.co.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk > > To begin with I accept that the organisers were the only people > who came forward to organise the tournament and for that they > deserve full credit. This will be my main point..... > > HOWEVER > > The complaints about the hall are quite simple. (a) the hall was > small to begin with, but when it had to be divided into 2 for pool > games it became a farce. (b) it was dangerous, metal hooks hanging > off the walls at head height, plus nowhere for people to stand meant > frequent clashes with the crowd (c) there wasn't really anywhere to sit between playing, or to > leave you're stuff. (d) irratic scheduling (a) yes, but with a smaller hall it makes it more important to be structured and do things properly. Liverpool FC practice on a tiny pitch, thus giving less room for error. When you got on the big pitch did you find your play had improved and that there weren't double cuts? A smaller hall also enables the zone to come into play. Again this is a further test of your ability and patience with the disc. As a member of Chevron we certainly learnt a lot about playing structurally and especially against the zone over the weekend. I make a point later about the timing of entries. b)true, but it was the best (only?) hall available in the short time to put the tourney on. Clashes with the crowd occurred primarily cos poeple were ON THE PITCH watching other games. While there is clearly a need for teams to watch and support others this was made more difficult by the lack of viewing space, particularly for one pitch. This problem was, however, eliminated by the merging of the two mini halls for the _really_ important games. c) but there was. Did anybody not leave their stuff just outside the hall? There were lockers in the changing rooms. There were also pool tables and seats/tables/ food and drink machines and pubs nearby. They even had a swimming pool if you wanted to use it. d) yes, there were a number of changes to the schedule, but they were fairly well communicated and I only saw two incidents of teams not been ready to play. No team to my knowledge had to forfeit a game cos they weren't there. > > Obviously none of this is directly the organiser's fault, and I am not looking > for a lynch mob to reproach them about the weekend. The important > aspect I think that needs looking at is that the Indoor Regionals are > a fairly important tournament on the circuit, and one which, of all > the tournamnts, deserves to be well organised and well run. As > coverage increases of our sport, which it surely will, it is > essential that it presents a respectable image. Obviously if people > are not forthcoming in organising tournaments then little can be done > to remedy this situation. It is clear however from this weekend that > some sort of standard needs to exist to regulate the conditions, > sizes etc.. under which a regional qualifier should be held. > Paul Meaney is probably the best person to answer this one, but I'll put my 2 penneth in. The invites to hold the tourney went out ages ago. Nobody came forward with a bid and so Paul rang round asking if anyone could put the tourney on. Zebs agreed to do this (with about 4 weeks notice) and did the best which they could in the time available to them. There were about 12 clubs represented at the qualifiers, how come nobody put a bid in to run the tournament? [Sneeeky's are excepted from this cos they're running finals and Jedi for their work the previous weekend] With a range of bids available then quality of venue etc. can be considered, and congrats are due to Simon Hill for all the work he has put in to try and achieve this. The way forward is to have more teams who wish to put on Indoor Qualifiers and Nationals, then the standard of all venues will inevitably increase. > > As to the pricing of the tournament that I feel is the main problem. > The story was that only 8 teams had registered a week before and > therefore the cost was set at 70 pounds , fair enough. But when 20 > teams turned > up this should have signaled a price cut rather than an increase in > profits to a a vast amount. I am not against paying 70 for a tournament, and I'm sure > the finals will be well worth 75. However, you are paying for a > service, and at that price you are expecting the Nike of tournaments, > rather than the Dunlop Green Flash. Do you know how much Zebs made? I don't. A similar charge has been made against Druids and Newport, but if you don't like it, don't go (or run the tourney yourself). In the South East, there were only 12 (?) teams and each team had to pay more in order to not leave the organisers out of pocket. When you organise a tourney you estimate how many teams will come and then price it accordingly. On the Monday before qualifiers took place only 8 teams had entered in the North. By Sat this had moved to 19, and the schedule had been rewritten 4 times. If you have any experience of this happenning (and it's happened to me three times) it drives you up the wall. If the teams who were coming had registered with Zebs earlier then a price reduction could have been negotiated. The fact that over 10 teams entered in the last 5 days made it too late to book alternative accomodation. Zebs did contemplate booking another hall for the Sunday but felt that it would have been unfair to pack the lesser teams off to another venue and deprive them of the chance to support and be supported by other sides. A lot of the things I've spoken about involve planning. Until many teams get their acts sorted out this kind of thing will happen, and the sooner people realise this the better. Personally I think Zebs did a great job of putting the tourney on at all and for making it run [relatively] hitch free given everything which was going on in the background. Cheers Tim and John! I only have one other thing to say: if you can do it better, go on! Rich (Chveron) rich@chevronaf.demon.co.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Mar 6 10:16:40 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id KAA09717; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 10:16:35 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id KAA25283; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 10:08:12 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id KAA25264; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 10:07:26 GMT From: Wayne_Retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk Received: from relay2.mail.uk.psi.net by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id KAA07963; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 10:07:20 GMT Received: from sys2.london2.uk.psi.net (sys2.london2.uk.psi.net [154.32.110.6]) by relay2.mail.uk.psi.net (8.8.4/) with ESMTP id KAA16727 for ; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 10:07:19 GMT Received: from rwatson.UUCP by sys2.london2.uk.psi.net (8.8.4/SMI-5.5-UKPSINet) id KAA25221; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 10:04:48 GMT Received: from cc:Mail by rwatson.watsonwyatt.co.uk id AA857670704 Thu, 06 Mar 97 09:51:44 Date: Thu, 06 Mar 97 09:51:44 Encoding: 1143 Text Message-Id: <9702068576.AA857670704@rwatson.watsonwyatt.co.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Tournament Organisation Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Well, the indoor season is almost over for 1996/7 (hear that sigh of relief from Shotgun), just Warwick, Wolverhampton and Indoor Nationals to go. The outdoor season appears to have a good deal of structure to it, all credit to Simon Hill for his arranging 5 Ultim8 Tour tournaments *before* the season starts, we just need the non tour tournaments to be arranged and we'll all know when we've got a week off to go on holiday! So, then it'll be indoor time again! Anybody got any plans for tournaments? bids for Regionals? Nationals? for the 1997/8 season. As has been echoed by many, NOW is the time to check with Ralf (diary manager), let Simon Hill (outdoors and indoors) or Paul Meaney (indoors) know what you're planning AND GET IT ORGANISED. [By way of examples, Druids have already booked the pitches for Ross, and are about to book the hall for Newport 98. Layout Dreams are working on something for Nationals 98, both Indoors and Outdoors!] Wayne Retter I want to know when/where I'm playing next. Wayne_Retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk (PS Sorry, Pat! didn't think Reuters system worse than mine!) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Mar 6 10:40:17 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id KAA12752; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 10:40:08 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id KAA25891; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 10:33:50 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id KAA25877; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 10:33:10 GMT Received: from ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id KAA11819; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 10:33:08 GMT Received: from caj1.arch.cam.ac.uk [131.111.34.20] by ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.61 #3) id 0w2aTx-00030z-00; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 10:33:05 +0000 Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 10:36:14 GMT From: "Dora A. Kemp" To: Subject: lost disc X-Mailer: Mulberry [1.0.1, s/n #10001] X-Authenticated: dak12 by imap.cus.cam.ac.uk X-Licensed-To: University of Cambridge MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Sorry this is going out to everyone. Did anybody pick up a Cambridge Ultimate fluroescent yellow disc at the Midlands Regionals this past weekend? It is fairly brand new and has my name and team name written on the inside in faint blue biro. If you have it could you please bring it to the Nationals (if you are going) or arrange to get it to me some other way Cheers Dora Kemp Strange Blue Whatever does good should be held in honour, and the only shame is in doing harm. - Plato McDonald Institute for Archaeological Research Downing Street, Cambridge, England, CB2 3ER (01223) 339336; (01223) 333536 (FAX)/(01223) 339285; dak12@cam.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Mar 6 11:02:13 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA16104; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 11:02:08 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id KAA26466; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 10:57:43 GMT Received: from clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id KAA26458; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 10:57:30 GMT Received: from renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id KAA08104; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 10:57:22 GMT Received: from eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk (eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk [129.215.13.1]) by renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk (8.6.13/8.6.12) with ESMTP id KAA10559 for ; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 10:57:21 GMT Received: from SMS-EIGG/SpoolDir by eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk (Mercury 1.21); 6 Mar 97 11:03:24 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by SMS-EIGG (Mercury 1.21); 6 Mar 97 11:03:02 +0000 From: "Austin" <9550732@eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 11:02:59 +0000 Subject: lost top Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <19AD9F46DB3@eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Dear All Did anyone pick up a Black top which has a white stripe down each arm as Vicci from Sneeekys seems to have lost it. She would be very grateful if anyone did find they or someone could bring it up to Edinburgh on the 22/23. cheers James Sneeekys J.a.Spicer@sms.ed.ac.uk Sneeekys on the net at: http://www.ed.ac.uk/~ultimate/ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Mar 6 11:14:12 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA18322; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 11:14:07 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id LAA26602; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 11:04:41 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA26597; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 11:04:34 GMT Received: from oxmail4.ox.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id LAA16445; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 11:04:30 GMT Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk by oxmail4 with SMTP (PP) with ESMTP; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 11:04:19 +0000 Received: (from immd0001@localhost) by ermine.ox.ac.uk (1.1/8.8.3) id LAA20383; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 11:04:18 GMT Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 11:04:17 +0000 (GMT) From: paul meaney To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Indoors 1998 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi y'all, well I understand that there has been some traffic on this mailing list regarding distances people are having to travel and poor venues for some tournaments .I cannot actually say waht happened as the last three days worth of messages have been wiped form my computer due to a cock up that is so boring I'll not even bother..... With regards to the regionals and Nationals. Such tournaments (I have said this before. I guess I'll be saying it again until people actually WAKE UP AND LISTEN!!!!!!!!!) only happen if people get off their butts and DO it. If they do it badly then hiding behind a 'well, if you can do it better do it yourself' argument ACTUALLY HOLDS UP!!!!! Now we all know that that is garbage. But unfortunately, if I ask for bids (WHICH I DID BLOODY AGES AGO), and no- one offers, so I go to a few people "can you help me out?" and they go "yeah!!" and I go "Phew!!!" and then it turens out to be a bit of a cock up well I have only two views: 1: If you knew you couldn;t do it WHY did you offer? but........ 2(and THIS takes prioirity) I WOULD RATHER THE EVENT HAVE GONE AHEAD THAN NOT AT ALL. The analogy of drowning men, straws etc applies here. So, IF you played in a crappy hall and IF you had a badly organised event, I'm sorry and while I can discuss the nuts and bolts of such an argument with the relevant people THE FACT OF THE MATTER REMAINS THAT AT LEAST YOU HAD A TOURNAMENT. Therefore my job as DoC has been done (dons hat and rides off into sunset to sound of stirring music) SO.... (I'll use *really* small words so that *everyone* (druids included) can understand) I now am taking bids for the 1998 Indoor qualifiers and National finals. What qualifications do you need: 1. A reasonably central venue for your division 2. A nice *large* hall (preferable a double) 3. Somewhere for people to stay 4. A place for a bit of a bop on Saturday Night. 5. Preferably someone who has played in a tournament who can sort out a schedule (or,who just knows what one looks like) so off you go, make some investigations. Becasue I am going to tell you all this NOW!!! So you have precisely ONE YEAR'S NOTICE!! If it gets to three months prior to the event, and I have no regional bids and I ask someone to help out and they do and the hall does not fulfill the above criterion and someone mails me after the event and starts moaning I AM GOING TO COME ROUND AND GIVE YOU A BLOODY GOOD KICK UP THE ARSE FOR BEING AN ANNOYING, WHINGEING GIT!!! There. Mr. Diplomat is giving EVERYONE in the country ONE YEAR'S notice. Except I won't Kick Harry Golby, 'cos he's bigger'n me. So's Chris Hughes. so's Pete Hallet. hmmmmmmmmmm a pattern is forming I can't kick raf - his voice is high enough already. I know I'll kick Wayne. Anyway. So if you don't want the imprint of my Kickers on Wayne's underpants (maybe you do, but that's for the alt.sex newsgroups), start having a look NOW! I we get lotsa bids then I can pick the best tournament for you! So you stand to win by putting a bid in!!! It's not difficult, and you get to (hopefully) make a bit of cash Unless you are in the SW and everyone backs out of your tournament. Laters, Paul. (who might get in a bit of trouble over this but what the hell, as Robert de Niro said "you could get further in my neighbourhood with a gun and a kind word than you could with just a kind word) oh yes, don;t even *think* about a flame. Two weeks to go until National, stress level is rising a tad p.s. I'm only joking about the kicking part. //////////////////////////////////\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ ****************************************************************************** Kryten: sir, you must forgive Mr Rimmer, he's suffering from a stress- related nervous disorder Lister: Next time I see him he'll be suffering from a fist- related teeth disorder ****************************************************************************** \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\//////////////////////////////////////////// From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Mar 6 12:35:29 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id MAA02336; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 12:35:20 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id MAA28474; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 12:28:50 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id MAA28437; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 12:28:24 GMT Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 12:27:50 GMT Received: from [137.205.222.1] by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id MAA01051; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 12:27:50 GMT X-Sender: serai@mail.csv.warwick.ac.uk Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: D.P.Neilson@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Dave Neilson) Subject: Disc Sports Summit - Jan 1997 Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk To all BD'ers, If I may take people back a few paces from the fine detail of Indoor Ultimate, the Ultim-8 Tour and notices about upcoming Disc Golf events .... and ask you to digest some information of a broader nature. The following document sums up the results of a 'think-tank' session organised by myself earlier this year which had three key threads: Coach Education; School & Youth; and Public Image. Please distribute these notes as widely as you feel appropriate and encourage all who read them to send their feedback, suggestions and requests to volunteer directly to myself. Sam Neilson. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D START 20 Alexandra Court, Priory Road Kenilworth CV8 1SB. Evenings: (01926) 864 276 Daytime: (01203) 523 880 E-mail: D.P.Neilson@warwick.ac.uk =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Disc Sports Summit =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 25 & 26 January 1997 @ Aston University, Birmingham =46rom all accounts, the Disc Sports Summit proved to be a great success. My thanks to all those who attended, especially those who came from far afield - Barry O'Kane from Edinburgh wins the furthest travelled award! A total of 20 from the 36 invited came along and all made excellent contributions to the discussions and working groups. I would like to summarise the key points raised during the weekend and draw up a list of specific plans and objectives which have resulted. I will also detail the actions and deadlines that were agreed during the two days and indicate what other tasks remain to be addressed. Coach Education --------------- Simon Moore made a thorough presentation of the BFDF Coach Education Project, describing a five level coaching award scheme which draws upon the existing National Coaching Foundation (NCF) modules. The disc sport specific modules which will need to be completed in the achievement of each level remain to be written, but Simon is quite happy that he can write such modules for the sport of Ultimate. Assistance will be needed to write the non-Ultimate disc sports modules. Derek Robins (National Director of the BDGA) will be arranging for the Disc Golf modules to be written, but the general coach award structure means that they may be plugged in at a later date. Once the structure is in place, the modules have been written and people have been identified to assess and teach the disc sport modules, someone will need to co-ordinate the scheme. Simon has pointed out that there will be a growing number of administrative tasks, including: * a first point of contact (someone who can distribute details of the coaching awards scheme); * organising the delivery of the disc sports modules; * organising the delivery of the other NCF modules (e.g. to make group savings); * the issue of certificates; and * maintaining a database of qualified disc sports coaches. There are also a host of issues relating to the promotion and publicity of the BFDF Coaching Award Scheme once it has been properly set up. Some of these issues will be considered under the separate thread of Public Image. In addition, there may well be a need for a pre-Level 1 award which is targeted at people with Qualified Teacher Status (QTS). This is where the Coach Education and School & Youth programmes clearly overlap (see the next section for details). Actions and Timescales 1. Simon Moore will continue to work with the NCF to develop the details of the general structure of the BFDF Coaching Award Scheme. 2. Simon Moore will write the Ultimate modules for the five tier system, starting with the Level 1 award. 3. Derek Robins will arrange for the corresponding Disc Golf modules to be written. 4. The Board of the BFDF will discuss ways to handle the administrative demands created by the coaching awards scheme. 5. A target has been agreed for the first offerings of the Level 1 Ultimate module: There will be three courses offered, one each during the months of October, November and December 1997. School & Youth -------------- The School & Youth discussions were also very productive on Saturday and the whole group present on Sunday (which included several new faces) further developed the various ideas for initiatives. There were four such ideas in total with most discussion and detailed planning concentrated upon the first. A) The Schools Pack This has been the subject of discussions for years, but not only did the group draw up the fine details and identify how and who would produce the pack components, they also suggested a timescale within which the work should be completed. In addition, an outline promotion campaign was drawn up to run alongside the development of the pack. There were six components identified for the pack: 1. Introductory Letter [ACTION: Andy Hughes and Sam Neilson] * highlighting the benefits of disc play and explaining how the pack might best be used; * much of the content has already been written to accompany the BFDF approach to the Sports Council. 2. Teaching Literature [ACTION: Jim McDonnell] * this will describe disc play in terms of invasion games and lead neatly into the team sport of Ultimate; * the language of teachers will be used with numerous hooks into the National Curriculum where appropriate; * a lot of ground work has already been done on this by Conor Davies and this will be further developed by another professional educator (Jim McDonnell to identify a willing teacher). 3. Schools Contact List [ACTION: Kevin Lowe and Paul Hurt] * a list already exists, but it would be best to check with all concerned before including such contact details in the pack; * this might also include details of other sources of information: e.g. BFDF / BUF / BDGA postal addresses and web sites. 4. Promotional Poster [ACTION: Paul Hurt and Andy Hughes] * this will be a good quality, black & white, A3 sized poster which can be easily photocopied; * Paul Hurt already a design worked out which features Ultimate action, a simple change of words is all that is needed. 5. A Set of Discs [ACTION: Andy Hughes and Ian Scotland] * this might involve ten or so cheaper discs plus a couple of high quality discs; * this is an ideal opportunity to target disc manufacturers or distributors to sponsor the pack; * a number of potential sources have already been identified. 6. A Basic Training Video [ACTION: TBA] * this might be one of the existing videos from the USA or the Ultimate-1-2-3 video by Martin Frederiksen; * a grander proposal would be to develop our own British video using existing footage and adding examples of children being taught using the Teaching Literature listed above. There are also other items that might find their way into the packs at some future date, such as: merchandising literature (e.g. where to get discounted BFDF approved discs); BFDF / BUF / BDGA membership forms; details about other BFDF schemes and packs also available (e.g. Coaching Awards Scheme, Proficiency Awards Pack). Another suggestion relates to how the pack might be distributed or sold. Initially a pilot scheme could target one geographical area with free mini-packs which are paid for by a sponsor. These mini-packs might consist of items 1 to 4 and include just a few discs. The full blown pack might be offered at a cost of =A3100, in line with the pricing of similar curriculum packs available to schools. The exact strategy will be influenced by the sponsors involved. B) Proficiency Awards Scheme The idea of a skills or proficiency award scheme has been suggested before and it provides the basis for a second initiative. The International =46risbee=81 Association (IFA) used to produce a manual which included a ser= ies of skills tests together with an application form. The BFDF could produce something along the same lines and make it available to schools & youth clubs as well as to the cub scout and girl guide movements. After checking copyright issues, this project should be fairly straight forward to get off the ground. It was suggested that the idea should be raised at the BUF National Junior Outdoor Championships where teachers could be asked for their feedback and assistance. C) Disc Skills Competition It had been hoped that Alex Tancock of GUL (the licensed distributors of Mattel discs) would attend the summit to make a presentation based upon the Mattel World Junior Championships programme which has been very successful in the USA. Unfortunately, he could not attend, but it would be worth looking at the potential of his involvement. It is hoped that GUL might provide support for a British version of the World Junior Championships which could act as a feeder into the finals held in the USA. Dan "Stork" Roddick describes the Mattel programme in the following way: "Mattel send a package of Fastback discs and competitive materials to schools and parks for participation of boys and girls under age 16. The local event, of which there were about 2500 this year [1996], involves distance, trick catching and accuracy to a bullseye drawn on the ground. About 125,000 kids entered! If they score a certain number of points then they are able to take the next level of test which they videotape and send into us for evaluation. That level adds freestyle and MTA [Maximum Time Aloft] to the events. =46rom the scores and videos we choose the top 8 boys and 8 girls to be invited to the finals. They come with a parent and we pay all the expenses. At the finals they play golf, SCF [Self Caught Flight], freestyle, discathon, distance and accuracy. The finals is a really great event. Great staff and cool kids. This year we got a finalist boy from both Mexico and from Canada. Both were from player association efforts, not Mattel affiliate co-operation. As you may know, British kids have come to the finals several times under the old, infamous Maureen and David Faulkner Wham-O regime [late 1970's to 1981]." STOP PRESS: It has recently been announced that Dan "Stork" Roddick has been made redundant by Mattel, but he wishes to be kept informed about developments here in Britain. Negotiations are currently underway between the BFDF and GUL to put something in place as soon as possible. D) QTS Coaching Award A fourth initiative which needs to be discussed further is linked to the Coach Education Project. The idea is to define a pre-Level 1 Coaching Award which would be available to those with Qualified Teacher Status (QTS). The best way forward might be for a teacher to work closely with Simon Moore to develop this module once the Level 1 award has been fully defined. Actions and Timescales 1. The BFDF Board will try to arrange for a presentation of the Schools Pack initiative (along with information about the other planned initiatives). This will take place on Saturday evening during the BUF National Junior Indoor Championships (15/16 February 1997) to generate feedback and maybe volunteers. 2. Specific actions for the Schools Pack initiative have been listed alongside each component, but the target date for having packs ready for distribution is the weekend of the BUF National Junior Outdoor Championships (3/4 May 1997). 3. Jon Hope has agreed to oversee the promotional activities for the Schools Pack initiative. The plan is to target the Times Educational Supplement (TES) initially during the run up to the BUF National Junior Outdoor Championships (3/4 May 1997) and to combine the approach with details about the event itself. 4. The BFDF Board will investigate which parts of existing proficiency award schemes (e.g. the IFA Manual) may be used to develop our own Proficiency Awards Pack. 5. It is hoped that a project leader for the Proficiency Awards initiative will be identified by June 1997. 6. The BFDF Board will continue negotiations with GUL (distributors for Mattel) to develop the Disc Skills initiative. 7. A longer term approach will be to identify opportunities to present the BFDF School & Youth initiatives to development conferences of PE advisors with the hope of generally raising awareness and maybe (one day) including some disc related activities as part of the teacher training curriculum (which has already been achieved in Sweden). Public Image ------------ The BFDF Director of Communications, Leo James, prepared a very useful description of the whole communications area which helped us to focus more clearly on the what was meant by Public Image. Leo identified three groups of people who all need to interact: * the organisers of the BFDF, BUF & BDGA (the 3B's); * the current disc sports players (the player base); and * others outside of disc sports (target groups). The communication between the 3B's and the player base is largely internal to disc sports, while all interaction with the target groups (either with the 3B's or the player base) is external and is what we need to address in Public Image. The target groups include: potential disc players; the media; sponsors (current and future); sports organisations (e.g. the Sports Councils and the CCPR); and the general public. In an attempt to characterise the key components of Public Image, two models were developed. The first suggested a cycle of issues which led from one to the next. A better picture shows the key components as interlocking pieces in a jigsaw. It was felt that this jigsaw could act as a helpful reminder of the issues to be covered in a number of situations, but most importantly for: events and series of events (e.g. BDGA Tour and Ultim-8 Tour); National Ultimate Team campaigns; and also to key projects such as the BFDF Coaching Awards Scheme and the various School & Youth initiatives. STOP PRESS: Although initially set up to meet the needs of internal communications between the 3B's and the player base, the BUF and BDGA web sites have developed into a very attractive and eye-catching promotional vehicle for presenting disc sports to the public at large. The latest news is that a Disc on the Web steering group is being set up by Ian Scotland to co-ordinate the various pockets of web-based information. A) Showcasing This component is most obviously applied to major competitive events at local, national and international levels, but may also be applicable where key initiatives are being promoted. The main objectives are to either win over a sponsor or to entertain and attract public interest with a view to recruitment and maybe sales of merchandise. Clearly, any showcase event is a perfect media attraction as well. In all showcasing events, attention should be paid to: * good quality publicity well in advance to all those in the target audience; * briefing the players, competitors and presenters about the showcase objectives and explaining their roles in achieving those goals; * looking after the guests and spectators with appropriate hospitality= From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Mar 6 14:35:27 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id OAA23480; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 14:35:21 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id OAA01116; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 14:31:23 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id OAA01111; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 14:31:14 GMT From: pbennison@csksoftware.com Received: from quay by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id OAA22892; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 14:31:09 GMT Received: from Tfs by quay with smtp (Aix Smail3.1.29.1 #2) id m0w2eBg-0001KfC; Thu, 6 Mar 97 14:30 GMT Message-Id: Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 14:24:56 +0000 To: EuroDisc@ira.uka.de, britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Dublin Ultimate Tournament - SPACE IS FILLING UP! MIME-version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: TFS Gateway /222000000/222030473/222002635/222082120/ Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk The number of tournament places and the available accomodation in=20 Dublin is rapidly diminishing. If you are interested, please notify me ASAP. Dublin Ultimate Tournament March 29th and 30th, 1997 Trinity College (Santry fields), Dublin, Republic of Ireland. All teams welcome. Accommodation lists/contacts to be provided. =20 There are a limited number of spaces available. Please e-mail for more info. Jede Mannschaft ist willkommen. Unterkunftslisten/Kontaktadressen verfuegba= r.=20 Die Zahl der Plaetze ist begrenzt. Mehr Informationen auf e-mail Anfrage hi= n. Toutes les =E9quipes sont les bienvenues. Des listes concernant=20 l'h=E9bergement et diff=E9rents contacts seront fournies ult=E9rieurement.=20 Nombre de places limit=E9. Veuillez nous contacter par e-mail pour tout=20 suppl=E9ment d'information. Peter Bennison (pbennison@csksoftware.com) Conor Lawlor (H) +353 1 298 7328 (W) +353 1 296 2129 From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Mar 6 14:46:02 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id OAA25099; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 14:45:57 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id OAA01260; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 14:36:44 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id OAA01252; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 14:36:22 GMT Received: from mailsun.aber.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id OAA23641; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 14:36:15 GMT Received: from balmy.dcs.aber.ac.uk by mailsun.aber.ac.uk with SMTP (XTPPst-c); Thu, 6 Mar 1997 14:34:04 +0000 Message-ID: <331ED5DA.5E3D@aber.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 06 Mar 1997 14:34:02 +0000 From: ALEX EVANS X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (X11; I; SunOS 5.5 sun4m) To: britdisc Subject: Ultimate Cymraeg MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Ultimate oozes ever Westward: there's a new team at the University of Wales Aberystwyth Contact details: Mwnci C Ultimate Club Alex Evans UWA Ultimate Frisbee Club Athletic Union UWA Penglais Campus Aberystwyth Ceredigion SY23 3BY 01970 624357 (h) 01970 622427 (w) aae96@aber.ac.uk (Registration form on the way Scot) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Mar 7 09:47:08 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id JAA16247; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 09:47:05 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id JAA20837; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 09:41:39 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id JAA20832; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 09:41:32 GMT Received: from mail.rmplc.net by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id JAA15592; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 09:41:30 GMT Received: from acotgreave.rmplc.net ([172.16.27.34]) by mail.rmplc.net (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA17406 for ; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 09:41:29 GMT Message-Id: <199703070941.JAA17406@mail.rmplc.net> From: "Andy Cotgreave" To: "Britdisc" Subject: **test** - don't bother reading this! Date: Fri, 7 Mar 1997 09:35:27 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk test From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Mar 7 15:27:04 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id PAA15253; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 15:26:59 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id PAA29756; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 15:14:05 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id PAA29740; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 15:13:31 GMT Received: from renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id PAA12743; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 15:13:22 GMT Received: from mull.sms.ed.ac.uk (mull.sms.ed.ac.uk [129.215.141.1]) by renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk (8.6.13/8.6.12) with ESMTP id PAA12231 for ; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 15:13:14 GMT Received: from SMS-MULL/SpoolDir by mull.sms.ed.ac.uk (Mercury 1.21); 7 Mar 97 15:09:43 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by SMS-MULL (Mercury 1.21); 7 Mar 97 15:09:25 +0000 From: "BARRY O'KANE" <9363680@mull.sms.ed.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Fri, 7 Mar 1997 15:09:15 +0000 Subject: National Detail Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <8BEE0AB7B74@mull.sms.ed.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi all, As promised details and maps, directions etc are now on the web: http://www.ed.ac.uk/~ultimate/nationals/ Please do check it out - esp those teams that did not recive the details last weekend. NB: I am still waiting for conformation from several teams! I want to take this cahnce to invite EVERYONE to come up to Edinburgh for the weekend - want to come and watch some good indoor disc? We can promise you a great party and a great time. Also, "Wind Things" (our sponsor) will be on hand selling a good range of discs and offering teams the chanceto have custom discs printed with discraft with a minimal of capital and no hassle! See you all up here soon, BARRY PS: Check out the Sneeky's web site while you are at it: http://www.ed.ac.uk/~ultimate/ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Mar 7 17:47:06 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id RAA07019; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 17:47:01 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id RAA03672; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 17:40:38 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id RAA03659; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 17:40:09 GMT Received: from nessie.mcc.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id RAA06126; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 17:40:03 GMT Received: from ccg.acu.man.ac.uk by nessie.mcc.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Fri, 7 Mar 1997 11:56:02 +0000 Received: from cc:Mail by ccg.acu.man.ac.uk (1.30/SMTPLink) id A18298; Fri, 07 Mar 97 10:27:53 GMT Date: Fri, 07 Mar 97 10:27:53 GMT From: Rob Mitchell Message-ID: <9703071027.A18298@ccg.acu.man.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Ben Rainbow donations Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Text item: Text_1 Hi Folks, firstly let me say thanks to all those who have been in touch over the last few weeks. From a personal point of view it's means a lot to hear people remembering Ben so fondly. Ben's funeral went well. All those who could make it down seemed to agree that it had been a more positive (it's hard to find the right words) experience than they had expected. We are hoping to send off a donation to the Bristol center on behalf of Chevron sometime next week, along with the other donations we have received. We've had cards and cheques from around the country, for which many thanks. Unfortunately a slight hitch has developed. Some sort of Chinese Whispers process seems to have taken place through which the Bristol Cancer *Help* Center was transformed into the Bristol Cancer Health Center I've been spreading around the latter and apparently the center have already had several cheques which they are unable to cash. If those of you who have sent cheques to Kenny and I would like to get in touch, we can arrange for them to be returned/replaced. We'll try to get hold of you in the next few days if we can, otherwise, ring us on 0161 275 9987. If anyone else wants to make a donation, they can send it to us at: 6 Ravensdale Street Rusholme Manchester M14 5NZ or to: Bristol Cancer Help Center Grove House Cornwallis Grove Clifton Bristol BS8 4PG As I said, we're hoping to despatch the lot next week, depending on how long it takes to replace the duff cheques we have, so if you are planning to send something, now's the time. Any problems, give me a call at the above number, or 0161 275 2090 during the day. Thanks love rob xxx From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Mar 7 17:48:54 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id RAA07149; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 17:48:50 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id RAA03675; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 17:40:43 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id RAA03660; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 17:40:10 GMT Received: from nessie.mcc.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id RAA06131; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 17:40:03 GMT Received: from ccg.acu.man.ac.uk by nessie.mcc.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Fri, 7 Mar 1997 11:52:02 +0000 Received: from cc:Mail by ccg.acu.man.ac.uk (1.30/SMTPLink) id A18373; Fri, 07 Mar 97 11:44:39 GMT Date: Fri, 07 Mar 97 11:44:39 GMT From: Rob Mitchell Message-ID: <9703071144.A18373@ccg.acu.man.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Ben Rainbow donations Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Text item: Text_1 Hi Folks, firstly let me say thanks to all those who have been in touch over the last few weeks. From a personal point of view it's means a lot to hear people remembering Ben so fondly. Ben's funeral went well. All those who could make it down seemed to agree that it had been a more positive (it's hard to find the right words) experience than they had expected. We are hoping to send off a donation to the Bristol center on behalf of Chevron sometime next week, along with the other donations we have received. We've had cards and cheques from around the country, for which many thanks. Unfortunately a slight hitch has developed. Some sort of Chinese Whispers process seems to have taken place through which the Bristol Cancer *Help* Center was transformed into the Bristol Cancer Health Center I've been spreading around the latter and apparently the center have already had several cheques which they are unable to cash. If those of you who have sent cheques to Kenny and I would like to get in touch, we can arrange for them to be returned/replaced. We'll try to get hold of you in the next few days if we can, otherwise, ring us on 0161 275 9987. If anyone else wants to make a donation, they can send it to us at: 6 Ravensdale Street Rusholme Manchester M14 5NZ or to: Bristol Cancer Help Center Grove House Cornwallis Grove Clifton Bristol BS8 4PG As I said, we're hoping to despatch the lot next week, depending on how long it takes to replace the duff cheques we have, so if you are planning to send something, now's the time. Any problems, give me a call at the above number, or 0161 275 2090 during the day. Thanks love rob xxx From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Mar 7 18:15:46 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id SAA10799; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 18:15:43 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id SAA04441; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 18:09:45 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id SAA04433; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 18:09:31 GMT Received: from renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id SAA10013; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 18:09:26 GMT Received: from arran.sms.ed.ac.uk (arran.sms.ed.ac.uk [129.215.141.2]) by renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk (8.6.13/8.6.12) with ESMTP id SAA29904 for ; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 18:09:25 GMT Received: from SMS-ARRAN/SpoolDir by arran.sms.ed.ac.uk (Mercury 1.21); 7 Mar 97 18:07:56 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by SMS-ARRAN (Mercury 1.21); 7 Mar 97 18:07:41 +0000 From: "Runrunrunboingwheeecrunchouch!" <8944852@arran.sms.ed.ac.uk> Organization: Student Mail Service To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Fri, 7 Mar 1997 18:07:31 +0000 Subject: Just call me "Doc" Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <8C1E14A2FF9@arran.sms.ed.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi All, sorry if you're not interested in this, but I've just passed the last of my final exams, so I'm going to be a Doctor. This would not have been possible without the amazing love and support shown by a great many people, especially the Sneeeky's. I couldn't have done it without you and I owe you a debt that can never be repaid. Thank you for being the best friends that a guy could ask for. Leo From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Mar 10 07:54:44 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id HAA29656; Mon, 10 Mar 1997 07:54:41 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id HAA22410; Mon, 10 Mar 1997 07:48:23 GMT Received: from crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id HAA22405; Mon, 10 Mar 1997 07:48:16 GMT Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 07:48:12 GMT From: Mr R C Doswell Message-Id: <22514.199703100748@crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Received: by crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk id HAA22514; Mon, 10 Mar 1997 07:48:12 GMT To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: BUF Events Reminder Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk British Ultimate Federation Disc Events Diary --------------------------------------------- March 1997 ---------- Saturday 15 March 1997 Wolves Indoors (2 days) @ Wolverhampton (???) Sunday 16 March 1997 GB Open Team Practice (1 day) @ TBA Saturday 22 March 1997 National Indoor Finals (2 days) @ Edinburgh Saturday 29 March 1997 Dublin Ultimate Tourny (2 days) @ Trinity College (Santry fields), Dublin, IE April 1997 ---------- Saturday 5 April 1997 BUF Tour I (2 days) @ Hitchin Sunday 13 April 1997 GB Open Team practice (1 day) @ TBA Saturday 19 April 1997 BUF Tour II : Leicester Outdoors (2 days) @ Victoria Park, Leicester Saturday 26 April 1997 Student Outdoors (2 days) TBC @ TBA : Bids to Barry O'Kane May 1997 -------- Saturday 3 May 1997 BUF National Junior Outdoors (2 days) @ TBC Freezzz Beezzz 5th International Outdoor Ultimate Tournament (2 days) (Non-UK event) @ Brugge, BE Sunday 4 May 1997 GB Open Team practice (1 day) @ TBA Saturday 24 May 1997 GB Open Team practice (2 days) @ TBA (Note may be Sat/Sun OR Sun/Mon) Saturday 31 May 1997 BUF Tour III (2 days) @ Swindon June 1997 --------- Saturday 7 June 1997 Red Co-ed Outdoors (2 days) @ Countesthorpe, Leicester Sunday 15 June 1997 GB Open Team practice (1 day) @ TBA Saturday 21 June 1997 BUF Tour IV : Southampton Outdoors (2 days) @ Southampton July 1997 --------- Saturday 5 July 1997 BUF Tour V (2 days) @ Double Locks, Exeter Friday 11 July 1997 Warwick Bears 21st Reunion (3 days) TBC @ University of Warwick Sunday 13 July 1997 GB Open Team practice (1 day) @ TBA (Warwick?) Sunday 27 July 1997 World Ultimate Club Championships (WUCC'97) (7 days) (Non-UK event) @ Vancouver, CA August 1997 ----------- Sunday 10 August 1997 GB Open Team practice (1 day) @ TBA Saturday 16 August 1997 Ross-on-Wye (2 days) TBC @ Ross-On-Wye! Saturday 23 August 1997 1997 BDGA Championships (2 days) (Non-Ultimate) TBC Sunday 24 August 1997 EFDF European Ultimate Championships (7 days) @ Millfield School, Street, Somerset, UK September 1997 -------------- Thursday 11 September 1997 British Open (4 days) Saturday 27 September 1997 BUF National Finals (outdoor) (2 days) @ TBA. Anyone interested contact Si Hill asap. --------------------------------------------------------------- British Ultimate Federation Disc Events Diary http://www.csv.warwick.ac.uk:5201/cgi-bin/diary Ranulf Doswell, ralf@dcs.warwick.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Mar 10 10:50:40 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id KAA20613; Mon, 10 Mar 1997 10:50:35 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id KAA25541; Mon, 10 Mar 1997 10:43:47 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id KAA25532; Mon, 10 Mar 1997 10:43:37 GMT Received: from oxmail4.ox.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id KAA19465; Mon, 10 Mar 1997 10:43:34 GMT Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk by oxmail4 with SMTP (PP) with ESMTP; Mon, 10 Mar 1997 10:43:31 +0000 Received: from localhost (immd0001@localhost) by ermine.ox.ac.uk (1.1/8.8.3) with SMTP id KAA08072 for ; Mon, 10 Mar 1997 10:43:30 GMT Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 10:43:30 +0000 (GMT) From: paul meaney To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Nationals....(again) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi all, following is a list of teams from each division (in no poarticular order, I hasten to add) who have qualified for edinburgh. I might also add, that no- one from each of these teams contacted either myself or Barry O'Kane via letter phone or e- mail before the midnight deadline last night. So that means that if you don't show, you cough up the dough. So here are the Fortunate Few who get to hurl in Edinburgh Northern Division: Zebedees Chevy 1 Chevy 2 Sneeekys Phat Ed's Flying Sorcerors Midlands Division: red Stan Bears Strange Blue Blue Arsed Flies Superfly South Eastern Division Druids UTI Dynamo Hamsters Lurkers Hells Angels Chaos Village People South West Shrub Mythago Slow White Picnic *-------* The last place is up for grabs to the next highest qualifying team as sharks backed out yesterday. So, congratulations of qualifying you astonishingly talented people you. And just think, Shotgun didn't qualify, but you did!! (the fact that they didn;t enter is a *mere trifling detail* ) So, see you happening dudes at the Physician and Firkin (which used to be the 'Gold Medal', and unfortunately my old local, I pray it has changed dramatically) on friday night!!!!! Paul. //////////////////////////////////\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ ****************************************************************************** Kryten: sir, you must forgive Mr Rimmer, he's suffering from a stress- related nervous disorder Lister: Next time I see him he'll be suffering from a fist- related teeth disorder ****************************************************************************** \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\//////////////////////////////////////////// From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Mar 10 11:59:07 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA04843; Mon, 10 Mar 1997 11:59:04 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id LAA27460; Mon, 10 Mar 1997 11:53:17 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA27453; Mon, 10 Mar 1997 11:52:59 GMT Received: from arl-img-3.compuserve.com by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id LAA03689; Mon, 10 Mar 1997 11:52:49 GMT Received: by arl-img-3.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id GAA27895; Mon, 10 Mar 1997 06:52:18 -0500 Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 06:51:59 -0500 From: Stuart Clark Subject: Bye for now. To: Britdisc Message-ID: <199703100652_MC2-125A-76EB@compuserve.com> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Dear all, This address will no longer be valid for me after Wednesday since I am disappearing for distant shores for eight months. Please don't mail me after then. Thanks. Hope you all keep well, Stu. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Mar 10 13:18:37 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id NAA20176; Mon, 10 Mar 1997 13:18:33 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id NAA29949; Mon, 10 Mar 1997 13:09:22 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id NAA29943; Mon, 10 Mar 1997 13:09:11 GMT Received: from mail.rmplc.net by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id NAA18492; Mon, 10 Mar 1997 13:09:09 GMT Received: from acotgreave.rmplc.net ([172.16.27.34]) by mail.rmplc.net (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA01059 for ; Mon, 10 Mar 1997 13:09:08 GMT Message-Id: <199703101309.NAA01059@mail.rmplc.net> From: "Andy Cotgreave" To: "Britdisc" Subject: Cones, and Ultim-8 stuff Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 13:03:49 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi all, For the Ultim-8 tour, we are trying to ensure that at every tournament there are sufficient numbers of cones, scoreboards, water containers etc. I am trying to get together a list of what equipment is owned by each club, in case we need to ask you to bring it to some of the tour events. This applies most importantly to the cones (or other pitch markers), as it is possible that Ultima-8 will get a set of water-carriers and scoreboards. However, any equipment your club owns may come in useful. I'd most like to hear from the tournament TDs and see what equipment they need or already have so that I can then chase around for the required stuff. I'd be most grateful if you could get back to me with a list of what equipment your club owns. Cheers, Andy C From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Mar 10 14:16:38 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id OAA00728; Mon, 10 Mar 1997 14:16:32 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id OAA01704; Mon, 10 Mar 1997 14:11:09 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id OAA01694; Mon, 10 Mar 1997 14:10:44 GMT Received: from relay-finch.mail.demon.net by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id OAA29668; Mon, 10 Mar 1997 14:10:39 GMT Received: from sysmatic.demon.co.uk ([158.152.47.4]) by relay-finch.mail.demon.net id aa0001065; 10 Mar 97 12:43 GMT Received: from ntws02 by systematic.co.uk (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA15856; Mon, 10 Mar 1997 12:35:26 GMT Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970310123500.0069e120@sysmatic> X-Sender: susan@sysmatic X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 12:35:00 +0000 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: Susan Green Subject: More News From Canada Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk On Sale! A Calendar especially for Ultimate Players. Featuring Action Photographs of Ultimate Players in the Ottawa Region. For more information, look up ... http://www.doe.carleton.ca/~rjg/calendar.html. Susan ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Technological culture has not destroyed the peoples of the [world]. Believing that would be to think too highly of culture. It has simply acted as a catlyst, ... - which lies in every culture and every human being - to centre life around that particularly Western mixture of greed and naivete. P. Hoeeg. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Mar 10 15:26:03 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id PAA14120; Mon, 10 Mar 1997 15:25:58 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id NAA00277; Mon, 10 Mar 1997 13:15:25 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id NAA00271; Mon, 10 Mar 1997 13:15:16 GMT Received: from relay-finch.mail.demon.net by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id NAA19651; Mon, 10 Mar 1997 13:15:14 GMT Received: from sysmatic.demon.co.uk ([158.152.47.4]) by relay-finch.mail.demon.net id aa0001121; 10 Mar 97 12:44 GMT Received: from ntws02 by systematic.co.uk (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA15850; Mon, 10 Mar 1997 12:34:41 GMT Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970310123415.0069ffe0@sysmatic> X-Sender: susan@sysmatic X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 12:34:16 +0000 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: Susan Green Subject: Ottawa Ultimate - More land purchase info. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk >Hello, > >Just in case anyone is interested in this corner of the world, I am forwarding along some mail that I've received from Canada, about their efforts to raise money to buy land for playing Ultimate. The Ottawa Ultimate League is very large (over 100 teams) and is therefore running out of space to play. Their solution is to buy some land of their own to help out in their predicament. Although, most of these details are in the note below .. So, read on ... > >Susan Green > >>----------------------------------------------------------- >>Contents: >> >>- A request from the sales committee. >>- The Land Deal: Summarized In 200 Words Or Less! >>- Personal comment from Mike Harley. >>- Land Purchase Sales Committee, contact list. >>- General News and Info. >> >>----------------------------------------------------------- >>If you enjoy Ultimate, please invest 1 hour, sometime over >>the next two weeks, to do the following: >> >>- Take 10 minutes to read this and any other information >> you may have received about the land purchase. >>- Take 10 minutes to ask any questions you might have from >> any one of the members of the sales committee. >>- Take 15 minutes to help pass this info along to other >> Ultimate players and to talk to them about the land >> purchase. >>- Take 15 minutes to think about everything and decide if >> you wish to help buy the land. If you decide to help >> please mail a cheque to: >> OCUA c/o Mike Harley, >> 77 #2 Hamilton Ave., >> Ottawa, Ont., K1Y 1B8 >>- Take 10 minutes to tell us about this and any other >> Ultimate issues you have some feelings or concerns about. >> >>This is a great opportunity for Ottawa Ultimate. It would >>be appreciated if every player in Ottawa could give one >>hour of their time contemplating this idea. >> >>----------------------------------------------------------- >>The Land Deal: Summarized In 200 Words Or Less! >> >>- We are trying to sell one thousand $200 shares to raise >> $200,000 for the purchase of our own Ultimate fields. >>- Buying a share is NOT a donation. Over the years, OCUA >> will be buying shares back for $225 dollars with its >> surplus income until it owns all of the shares. If you >> choose to keep your shares that is fine too! >>- A share is roughly equivalent to 4356 square feet or a >> little larger than a standard building lot. Not bad for >> $200! >>- While we need to sell all the shares by April 1, 1997 (to >> determine if we have raised the purchase price), the >> cheques for those shares should be post dated May 13, >> 1997. This should give you enough time to file your tax >> return and receive your refund to allow you to cover the >> amount of the cheque. >>- Each share gives you one vote in any and all decisions to >> be made by the land holding corporation. >>----------------------------------------------------------- >>Comment: >> >> This is a personal comment about this land purchase and >>Ottawa Ultimate in general. >> >> I hope no one is getting offended or tired of hearing about >>this land purchase we are trying to raise funds for. After >>the team captains decided to proceed and try to raise the >>funds for the purchase, the sales committee had a total of >>about 6 weeks to contact all of the Ultimate players. With >>1200 players to contact and a phone and email database that >>is 1 year old (and incomplete) we realized that to get this >>done would be very difficult. >> >> Remember that OCUA (and Ultimate in general) is organized >>and "run" by volunteers. These people are doing what they >>can to make sure everybody can play Ultimate and that the >>sport continues to thrive and grow in Ottawa. While there is >>a board of directors for OCUA managing how the league is run >>it relies totally on the input and opinions of every >>Ultimate player in Ottawa. They cannot do everything >>themselves and cannot respond or fix problems they do not >>realize exist. >> >> This land purchase is an example of trying to get something >>done the Ultimate way. There was a team of volunteers on the >>land purchase committee who spent an amazing amount of their >>personal time last fall and winter. They analyzed the future >>of Ottawa Ultimate and its needs and possible options with >>respect to fields around the Ottawa Area. They presented >>their proposal to a meeting of team captains on Feb. 11. At >>that meeting all of the captains present asked questions and >>eventually voted to proceed to the next step. The next step >>was to see if we could raise the purchase price for the land >>from the sale of shares in the corporation that would >>purchase the land. A second set of volunteers are now trying >>to get the word out to all of the players in Ottawa and see >>if these shares can actually be sold. >> >> Ottawa Ultimate is supposedly the largest city league and >>possibly the third largest Ultimate organization in the >>world (behind the UPA and the WFDF). I feel we might be >>starting to take this for granted and should think for a >>moment. What would it be like if there was no one organizing >>the league? What if you had to struggle to get a pickup game >>every Sunday? Talk to people from Halifax, Fredericton, and >>other beginning Ultimate cities and see what they have to go >>through to play Ultimate. I have received many responses >>from other Ultimate players around the world who are very >>interested in how we succeed with this land purchase. Some >>of these other players may even be buying shares. We are >>in some ways leading the way for many other Ultimate >>groups and organizations. They will watch how we do and if >>we succeed I am sure we will inspire others around the >>world to try as well. >> >> I believe this land purchase is a great idea, it could work >>and it would make sure Ultimate can grow and proceed in the >>future. But then I am a fairly rabid Ultimate player and >>thought this 10 years ago. >> >> I would like to hear some other opinions about this purchase >>and any other Ultimate concerns. While looking over the many >>new teams and players I realized that I may be out of touch >>with what the vast majority of players think and feel about >>Ottawa Ultimate. >> >> Remember - like in life - you get out of Ultimate what you >> put into it. >> >> >> Thanks for your time. >> >> Mike Harley >> mharley@achilles.net >> (H) 722-9411 >> >>----------------------------------------------------------- >>Land Purchase Sales Committee: >> >>NAME HOME PHONE EMAIL ADDRESS >>Mike Hall-Jones 224-5761 mhalljones@aol.com >>Craig Fielding 729-8715 cfielding@cyberus.ca >>Nick Roberts 729-9227 >>Ken Lange 225-0301 lange@cs.ualberta.ca >>Dave Brown 860-TOUR ocua@ottawa.net >>Robert Matz 744-5281 Robert.Matz@nrc.ca >>Mike Harley 722-9411 mharley@achilles.net >>Rod Nicholls 594-3933 nicholls@uottawa.ca >>Peter Bruton 233-8026 peter.bruton@geocan.emr.ca >> >>Web Site http://www.cyberus.ca/~ocua >> >>----------------------------------------------------------- >>General News and Info: >> >>- If there are any non OCUA Ultimate players who wish to >> help us out, we have talked it over and think that would >> be great. If you can, make your cheques out to $200.00 >> canadian per share. We would also like you to proxy your >> votes over to OCUA for any decisions that need to be made >> while you are not in Ottawa. If you happen to be in Ottawa >> you are more than welcome to vote on your own. >> >>- Any cheques issued for the Purchase of shares should be >> made out to Scott & Aylen In Trust. All cheques from >> Canadian players should be post dated May 13, 1997. Any >> cheques from players not residing in Canada should be >> post dataed May 1, 1997. >> >>- If you wish to just mail us a cheque you could sent it to: >> OCUA >> c/o >> Mike Harley >> 77 #2 Hamilton Ave. >> Ottawa, Ont. >> K1Y 1B8 >> If you do mail a cheque please make sure to include with >> the cheque a home and work contact number and your e-mail >> address. >> >>- Open House: Tuesday, March 25, at the McNabb community >> center (Gladstone and Bronson) (7pm - 10pm). Sales >> committee representatives will be available to explain, >> answer questions, and receive cheques :). Ask for more >> information if you are interested. >> >>- We do parties (or team meetings). If you have an >> upcoming team meeting or party and you would like someone >> from the sales committee to come and talk about the land >> purchase just let us know. >> >>----------------------------------------------------------- >>This is the third batch email post to all Ottawa/Hull area >>Ultimate players. It contains all new information (and lots >>of fiber, specially if you print this out). >> >>We wish to continue to use this batch email post as an >>additional method to pass land purchase information along. >>If you wish to be removed from this list please let Mike >>Harley (mharley@achilles.net) know and he will remove you >>from the list. >> >>Thank you again for your time and help! >>Mike Harley >> >>----------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> >>------------------------------------------------ >>Ultimate doesn't build character. >>It reveals it. >>------------------------------------------------ > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Susan Green, Software Engineer Systematic Software Engineering Ltd. Tel: +44 1276 675533 The Coliseum, Riverside Way, Mail: susan@systematic.co.uk Camberley, Surrey GU15 3YL From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Mar 10 21:15:18 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id VAA02049; Mon, 10 Mar 1997 21:15:13 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id VAA10904; Mon, 10 Mar 1997 21:07:01 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id VAA10892; Mon, 10 Mar 1997 21:06:44 GMT Received: from relay-7.mail.demon.net by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id VAA01348; Mon, 10 Mar 1997 21:06:34 GMT Received: from dreamer.demon.co.uk ([158.152.82.103]) by relay-6.mail.demon.net id aa0601193; 10 Mar 97 19:41 GMT Message-ID: Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 19:32:55 +0000 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: Neil Travers Subject: Catch-22 In-Reply-To: <199703051001.KAA15084@newton.leeds.amsta> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Version 3.00 <9LvMyIrZW1syYThDYB4CQEgY34> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk I'm just trying to read 'Catch 22', by Joseph Heller and I thought this bit was worth quoting. Especially for the ex Leeds lads. ======================================================================= 'Sure there's a catch,' Doc Daneeka replied. 'Catch-22. Anyone who wants to get out of combat duty isn't really crazy.' There was only one catch and that was Catch-22, which specified that a concern for one's own safety in the face of dangers that were real and immediate was the process of a rational mind. Orr was crazy and could be grounded. All he had to do was ask; and as soon as he did, he would no longer be crazy and would have to fly more missions. Orr would be crazy to fly more missions and sane if he didn't, but if he was sane he had to fly them. If he flew them he was crazy and didn't have to; but if he didn't want to he was sane and had to. Yossarian was moved very deeply by the absolute simplicity of this clause of Catch-22 and let out a respectful whistle. 'Thats some catch, that Catch-22,' he observed. 'It's the best there is,' Doc Daneeka agreed. -- Neil Travers - home Fluid Druids - theultimatefrisbeeteam From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Mar 11 08:34:28 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id IAA16423; Tue, 11 Mar 1997 08:34:25 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id IAA20605; Tue, 11 Mar 1997 08:28:22 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id IAA20600; Tue, 11 Mar 1997 08:28:15 GMT Received: from dira.bris.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id IAA16060; Tue, 11 Mar 1997 08:28:13 GMT Received: from mail.bris.ac.uk by dira.bris.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Tue, 11 Mar 1997 08:27:47 +0000 Received: (from melfv@localhost) by mail.bris.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.7.3) id IAA12201; Tue, 11 Mar 1997 08:21:37 GMT From: "LF. Vaughn" Message-Id: <199703110821.IAA12201@mail.bris.ac.uk> Subject: Disc Golf in Bristol To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 08:21:36 +0000 (GMT) Cc: laurie.vaughn@Bristol.ac.uk X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk On behalf of Bud (please don't reply to me!), contact details at the end: The Firkin Bristol Open Disc Golf Championship ============================================== BDGA TOUR EVENT #1 15-16 March 1997 @ ASHTON COURT ESTATE Disc Golf Courses - Somerset by kind permission of BRISTOL CITY & COUNTY COUNCIL BRITAIN'S NEWEST & PROBABLY MOST CHALLENGING VENUE Sponsored by FOOTBRIDGE & FIRKIN Designed by BUD TILTON with SIMON MOORE, NEAL PICKETT, TOM SOPER & MILES CLARKE Greatly Assisted by RICHARD MONO, GRAHAM EVANS, GORDON MILLWARD, DANE MARSDEN, SALLY MARTIN, BERNICE KEITH & BRIAN PRICE. Ashton Court Estate: Bequeathed to the citizens of Bristol; over 800 acres of "Informal Mature English Landscape" much influenced by Humphrey Repton; The seat of the Smyths for 600 years and first granted a Royal License as a deer park by Richard II in 1393. Magnificent rolling fairways offer splendid vistas of city and rural hills alike. Three hundred feet of inclination from Smyth Fields up to Fanmore Green. Galaxies of Rhodedendron, Bracken and Brambles. Water graves at Water Catch, Garden Pond and Cattle Dips. Natural object pins of, or amongst, outstanding specimen trees of towering Wellington Redwood, Maple, Beech, Lime, Yew, Cedar, Cypress, Magnolia and Scots Pine (well ... some do!) plus venerable Oak and Spanish Chestnut pre-dating the Treaty of Glasgow 1502 when James IV Legalised golf! 3 x 18 + 1 x 12 = 66 holes! Swoon! as you reach the Apogee at Fanmore Green. Quake! as you encounter Ridge 'n' Ledge, Ledge 'n' Gully, Bracken Ridge. "When shall we three meet again?" when the Hurly Burly's done! Admire! Greville Smyth's View 300 yards and a 70 foot drop to the pin (which is not in view!) Curse! when Ha-Ha has the last laugh. Respect. Cannizaro. We did: the whole fairway is O.B.! Reminiscent in parts of the cunning of Whitcombe, the ruggedness of Mull and the surreal Cannizaro with a sprinkling of agrophobic holes for light relief. Points are at stake but please just come and treat yourself and be our guest at the inaugural and auspicious Firkin Bristol Open DGC 1997 Small Print ! ============= Daylight hours will be fewer than at any other tour event i.e. GMT not BST. The courses are also longer and more hilly than most. To use our time efficiently we ask you to register in advance and arrive promptly on both days. Also the groups will be sent out on Saturday morning in BDGA Tour '96 points order - higher paced, therefore fewer shots and quicker, first - with players encouraged to keep up with the group in front. Any laggards will miss out on time @ lunch! For the second round, again, the leaders will go first. On Sunday this will be reversed so all players will have some chance to see the finalists in action. All players are expected to complete the championship with a final round of 12 holes. The players meeting will be asked to decide upon a "staggered" - as Saturday + final - or "shotgun" start on Sunday morning.As TD, and having considered the options, criteria and time factors, I favour "staggered" thus the better your Saturday scores; the longer your lie-in! In any event this is a new event, new venue, new guidelines and there will be public at large. So, your general forbearance is kindly requested with helpful suggestions welcome, preferably afterwards. The cafi will provide breakfast both days. The Smyth Arms will offer hot, filling lunches both days. The Footbridge & Firkin will be offering a "Curry 'n' Pint" special on Saturday evening and as they are sponsoring the event by way of defraying some of our costs, we'd be obliged if you took up this deal and also enter the beer race. There is unfortunately no camping available but plenty of scope amongst the hospitality of local players. Hotel and/or B&B details will be sent upon request along with directions once we've received your entry fee. You are encouraged to arrive on Friday and practice rounds can be arranged by 'phone. There will be a trophy for the Open Champion and where appropriate and/or expenses/sponsorship allow we will endeavour to provide trophies and/or prizes for the following: Finalists Divisional winners Longest drive Closest to pin/Ace Most improved round ( par Highest placed amateur / non-BDGA member 3 pint / yard of ale challenge Fantasy league Spirit vote (WFDF definition) Party monster Most penalty strokes Tournament entry fee #10 inc. BDGA player tax Please add #1 for non-BDGA member. Please deduct #2 for unwaged / student / junior / tax-dodger! Any profit will not exceed the greater of expenses or prize money and will be used to develop Britain's first public course. Cheques payable to N. W. Pickett and sent to : 10 Christina Terrace, Merchants Rd., Hotwells, BRISTOL. BS8 4QB. to arrive no later than 2nd post Friday 14th March. Due to limitations on daylight hours it may be necessary to restrict entry so please enter early to avoid disappointment. Please don't arrive without entering in advance or at least phoning first. If you prefer to send #10 cash we will collect/refund balance on Saturday. When entering please state the following where appropriate: Name. Address. Phone no.(s). Email. Division. BDGA membership no.. Discount eligibility. Accommodation preference. Vegetarian (lunch) NB This will be the first BDGA event on public land. Basic common sense and courtesy will mitigate almost all potential problems. However, accidents do happen. BDGA members are covered by Public Liability Insurance; non-BDGA players are not and may therefore be asked to sign a disclaimer. FFI: (0117) 926 8055 BUD - Tournament director 909 3688 NEAL - Tournament treasurer -- +-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-+ > Dept. of Aerospace Engineering, Univ. of Bristol < | Laurence Vaughn | > Bristol, BS8 1TR. UK - Tel: +44 (0) 117 928 9155 < +-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-+ > laurie.vaughn@bris.ac.uk < > http://mail.bris.ac.uk/~melfv/ < From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Mar 11 14:26:09 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id OAA15617; Tue, 11 Mar 1997 14:26:05 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id OAA26482; Tue, 11 Mar 1997 14:17:10 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id OAA26474; Tue, 11 Mar 1997 14:16:46 GMT Received: from pp2.shef.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id OAA14073; Tue, 11 Mar 1997 14:16:40 GMT Received: from union.shef.ac.uk by pp2.shef.ac.uk with local SMTP (PP); Tue, 11 Mar 1997 14:16:20 +0000 Received: from UNION/MAILQUEUE by union.shef.ac.uk (Mercury 1.21); 11 Mar 97 14:16:19 +0000 Received: from MAILQUEUE by UNION (Mercury 1.30); 11 Mar 97 14:07:56 +0000 From: "Phat 'eds" To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 14:07:48 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Bradford Co-ed Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <45F74E10891@union.shef.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk This weekend saw the Warwick tournament being overshadowed by the co-ed in Bradford. The 6 teams that played included: Purple Haze (Loughborough, who sadly failed to bring any women to the co-ed!!) Mud Culture (Glasgow) Jedi Children (Leeds) More than just a hint (fomer junior players of 'Hint of Lime' now no longer based in Gosport, Hants) Disciples (Bradford University) El Diablo (the debut of the Bradford open team) As a result of the shortage of teams we all got to play each other twice prior to the semis and the final. It added interest to the calls when in the semis teams were playing each other for the third time and were attempting to make up their third different call of the tournament. Apart from the dominance of 'More than just a Hint' who won all of their fourteen games, the standard was fairly tight, combined with the fact that each team had a chance to play each other twice it meant that the top four for the semis was a very close call. After their dominance of the group games 'More than just a Hint' took the trophy although Disciples ran them very close in the semi final. Purple Haze, who came second, won the plate,whilst the always popular choice of Mud Culture got the prize for spirit. Final positions were... 1. More than Just a Hint 2. Purple Haze 3. Mud Culture 4. Disciples 5. El Diablo 6. Jedi Children It only remains to thank the Bradford teams for hosting the tournament and for a fantastic meal and saturday evenings entertainment and al for a bargain three pounds. Cheers to everbody. More than just a hint. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Mar 11 15:31:29 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id PAA28735; Tue, 11 Mar 1997 15:31:24 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id PAA28149; Tue, 11 Mar 1997 15:22:44 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id PAA28138; Tue, 11 Mar 1997 15:22:20 GMT Received: from stone.dcs.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id PAA26287; Tue, 11 Mar 1997 15:22:13 GMT From: Ralf Message-Id: <19956.199703111522@stone.dcs.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Warwick Indoors results To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 15:22:08 +0000 (GMT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25 PGP2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi All, Just a brief report on the Warwick Indoors, which took place this weekend. Firstly, apologies to anyone not invited - we really wanted to invite more teams, but 12 seemed the best compromise on the time and number of games. Anyway, here are the results: 1 - Beariatrics 2 - Arsemen 3 - AWC 4 - Twin Peaks [Spirit] 5 - Mr Men 6 - Skunks 7 - Grizzlies (Bears) [Plate] 8 - Mohawks 9 - Yogies (Bears) 10 - Village People 11 - Fuzzies (Bears) 12 - Funky Nuns Cheers to everyone who came, and good luck in the finals! There are a few items of lost clothing, although I haven't had time to examine it yet... (I followed the tourny with a 17 hour work session!) Ralf. ____ ____ _ _ ____ .----------------------------------------. _\__ \ _\__ \ / \ / \\__/ | Ranulf Doswell | / \_/ /_ / \_/ \ / / / /___ | 3rd year Computer Science, Warwick Uni | \ __ \\ __ \\ \ _\ \\_/ | ralf@dcs.warwick.ac.uk | \ \ \ \\ \ \ \\ \__/ \\ \ | http://www.csv.warwick.ac.uk/~mauer/ | \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \______/ \_/ `----------------------------------------' From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Mar 11 18:35:39 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id SAA28539; Tue, 11 Mar 1997 18:00:38 GMT Received: from clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id SAA28519; Tue, 11 Mar 1997 18:00:28 GMT Received: from spuggie.cen.brad.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id SAA10733; Tue, 11 Mar 1997 18:00:25 GMT Received: from kite.cen.brad.ac.uk (15937@kite.cen.brad.ac.uk [143.53.2.4]) by spuggie.cen.brad.ac.uk (8.8.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA25418; Tue, 11 Mar 1997 18:00:23 GMT Received: (from ajbradfo@localhost) by kite.cen.brad.ac.uk (8.8.4/8.8.4) id SAA25972; Tue, 11 Mar 1997 18:00:20 GMT Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 18:00:19 +0000 (GMT) From: Andy B X-Sender: ajbradfo@kite.cen.brad.ac.uk To: MrFrisbee@ultimate.ac.uk Subject: Re: Bradford Co-ed In-Reply-To: <45F74E10891@union.shef.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk > This weekend saw the Warwick tournament being overshadowed by the > co-ed in Bradford. It has to be said Purple Haze definately had the ugliest women .. at least those with the hairiest legs. The weekend also hosted the fairwell party for Ralph, our beloved moody git coach. (he was give the spanner award) anybody who knows the bradford team will no doubt know ralph. he is off to national service in finland for a bit but he will make 1 inal guest appearance at the dublin tourny where he promises to try and smile so we'll all be left with only nice thoughts. anyways the bradford co-ed ws great crack and it was good to see everyone a bit more relaxed than the 2 previous weekends in Leeds (student finals) and Manchester (indoor qualifiers). hopefully this co-ed will continue to grow bananaskins Andy B 63 Grantham Rd (01274) 743778 Bradford BD7 1RN From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Mar 12 11:06:50 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id KAA04803; Wed, 12 Mar 1997 10:46:20 GMT Received: from spuggie.cen.brad.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id KAA04798; Wed, 12 Mar 1997 10:46:18 GMT Received: from morph.acc.brad.ac.uk (root@morph.acc.brad.ac.uk [143.53.1.14]) by spuggie.cen.brad.ac.uk (8.8.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA12112; Wed, 12 Mar 1997 10:46:16 GMT Received: from cc117cc44.pub.brad.ac.uk (cc117cc44.pub.brad.ac.uk [143.53.118.5]) by morph.acc.brad.ac.uk (8.7.2) with SMTP id KAA13573; Wed, 12 Mar 1997 10:50:22 GMT From: Steven Hunter To: "Phat 'eds" cc: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Re: Bradford Co-ed Message-ID: Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 10:46:10 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: Simeon for Windows Version 4.0.7 X-Authentication: IMSP MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk On Tue, 11 Mar 1997 14:07:48 +0000 Phat 'eds wrote: > This weekend saw the Warwick tournament being overshadowed by the > co-ed in Bradford. The 6 teams that played included: > > Purple Haze (Loughborough, who sadly failed to bring any women to the > co-ed!!) > Mud Culture (Glasgow) > Jedi Children (Leeds) > More than just a hint (fomer junior players of 'Hint of Lime' now no > longer based in Gosport, Hants) > Disciples (Bradford University) > El Diablo (the debut of the Bradford open team) > > As a result of the shortage of teams we all got to play each other > twice prior to the semis and the final. It added interest to the > calls when in the semis teams were playing each other for the third > time and were attempting to make up their third different call of the > tournament. > > Apart from the dominance of 'More than just a Hint' who won all > of their fourteen games, the standard was fairly tight, combined with > the fact that each team had a chance to play each other twice it > meant that the top four for the semis was a very close call. > > After their dominance of the group games 'More than just a Hint' > took the trophy although Disciples ran them very close in the semi > final. Purple Haze, who came second, won the plate,whilst the > always popular choice of Mud Culture got the prize for spirit. > > Final positions were... > 1. More than Just a Hint > 2. Purple Haze > 3. Mud Culture > 4. Disciples > 5. El Diablo > 6. Jedi Children > > It only remains to thank the Bradford teams for hosting the > tournament and for a fantastic meal and saturday evenings > entertainment and al for a bargain three pounds. > Cheers to everbody. > > More than just a hint. This is just a message to anyone who came to the Bradford Co-ed tournament, Thanks to you where ever you are, thanks for coming. Personally I had a great time and the whole thing now seems all worth while! Congratulations to More Than Just A Hint and thanks to (in no particular order) Mud Culture, Jedi Children, El Diablo and Purple Haze it was good fun! SHUNTER (Disciples) ---------------------- Steven Hunter s.hunter1@bradford.ac.uk DOC FO EYE EVAH UOY SIHT DAER NAC UOY FI From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Mar 12 12:03:11 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id LAA15033; Wed, 12 Mar 1997 11:30:05 GMT Received: from pp2.shef.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA14996; Wed, 12 Mar 1997 11:30:01 GMT Received: from union.shef.ac.uk by pp2.shef.ac.uk with local SMTP (PP); Wed, 12 Mar 1997 11:29:43 +0000 Received: from UNION/MAILQUEUE by union.shef.ac.uk (Mercury 1.21); 12 Mar 97 11:29:42 +0000 Received: from MAILQUEUE by UNION (Mercury 1.30); 12 Mar 97 11:24:58 +0000 From: "Phat 'eds" To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 11:24:54 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: lost trousers X-mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.31 Message-ID: <474BE1F5EB5@union.shef.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk From: -CAM- Date sent: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 11:13:46 +0000 Subject: Re: lost trousers Priority: normal lost at the Manchester Na. Qualifiers tournament 1/2 March one pair of grey Stone Monkey leggings, size small. If found please contact the Phat'eds (Ultimate@sheffield.ac.uk) Cheers. Catherine From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Mar 13 00:10:20 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id XAA14251; Wed, 12 Mar 1997 23:47:03 GMT Received: from relay-11.mail.demon.net by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id XAA14245; Wed, 12 Mar 1997 23:46:56 GMT Received: from chevronaf.demon.co.uk ([194.222.81.132]) by relay-10.mail.demon.net id aa1006849; 12 Mar 97 23:39 GMT From: rich@chevronaf.demon.co.uk, ich@chevronaf.demon.co.uk MMDF-Warning: Parse error in original version of preceding line at relay-11.mail.demon.net To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 22:25:14 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: It could be you.... Reply-to: rich@chevronaf.demon.co.uk X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.42a) Message-ID: <858209943.106849.0@chevronaf.demon.co.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Dear All Only one place left at Wolves.... who will be the lucky team? Ring us tonight to avoid disappointment! A quick recap: 12 teams Massive no walls hall on Sunday Big beers on saturday night Late start (10.30) on Saturday Central location so no 6 hour drive (unless you live in Scotland) Paltry entry fee (gbp55) How could you refuse? Rich rich@chevronaf.demon.co.uk H:01902-713895 W:01952-208200 ===================================================== Rich Parkes | rich@chevronaf.demon.co.uk Chevron Action Flash | 01902-713895 ===================================================== From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Mar 13 11:13:57 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id KAA07659; Thu, 13 Mar 1997 10:38:40 GMT Received: from acacia.sucs.soton.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id KAA07649; Thu, 13 Mar 1997 10:38:32 GMT Received: from willow.sucs.soton.ac.uk (willow.sucs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.128.20]) by acacia.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.2/server) with ESMTP id KAA23895 for ; Thu, 13 Mar 1997 10:38:31 GMT Received: (from ajk194@localhost) by willow.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.4/client-8.8) id KAA21897 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Thu, 13 Mar 1997 10:38:08 GMT Message-Id: <199703131038.KAA21897@willow.sucs.soton.ac.uk> Subject: Student outdoors To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk (British Disc Mailing List) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 10:38:07 +0000 (GMT) From: "Fergal" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk To all student teams, As you know the outdoors is to be held in southampton this year. Invites will be going out very soon, unfortunately I feel that some universities may have already broken up or at least be on the verge of doing so. Therefore if your usual BUF mail address will not be collected for 4 weeks, send me an alternative address, contact phone number anything so that I can ensure that everyone has all necessary information. Cheers Andy - Skunks ajk194@soton.ac.uk http://www.soton.ac.uk/~frisbee From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Mar 13 13:13:06 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id MAA01263; Thu, 13 Mar 1997 12:47:53 GMT Received: from kestrel.mcg.gla.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id MAA01244; Thu, 13 Mar 1997 12:47:47 GMT Received: from mcg1.mcg.gla.ac.uk by kestrel.mcg.gla.ac.uk (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id MAA29792; Thu, 13 Mar 1997 12:37:09 GMT Received: from MCG1/SpoolDir by mcg1.mcg.gla.ac.uk (Mercury 1.21); 13 Mar 97 12:47:47 +1100 Received: from SpoolDir by MCG1 (Mercury 1.21); 13 Mar 97 12:47:42 +1100 From: "David Grayson" Organization: Multimedia Communications Group To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 12:47:33 gmt+1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Dublin tourney X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.40) Message-ID: <8DFF382CED@mcg1.mcg.gla.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Is anyone looking for a pickup in the Dublin tournament? We (Mud Culture) are just falling short of a whole team going and so would be interested in either individuals or a joint team. Standards don't matter, (hopefully they won't for you either!). We could also give you a lift from Glasgow (I know this will tempt you southerners!). Cheers, Dave. Mud Culture. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They say that verbal insults hurt more than physical pain. They are of course wrong as you are about to find out when I stick this toasting fork in your head. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Mar 13 14:31:41 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id NAA14269; Thu, 13 Mar 1997 13:55:01 GMT Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 13:54:45 GMT Received: from [137.205.222.1] by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id NAA14213; Thu, 13 Mar 1997 13:54:45 GMT X-Sender: serai@mail.csv.warwick.ac.uk Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: EuroDisc@ira.uka.de, britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: D.P.Neilson@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Dave Neilson) Subject: WUCC Update Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk For those without web access, I thought it might be of interest to see which teams are already registered for the World Ultimate Club Championships! If you DO have web access, take a look at: http://www2.portal.ca/~wucc97/team.html The Accepted List [This page was last modified 10 March 1997] The following are teams that have officially entered the tournament by being recognized by their National Organization and sending in the Team Deposit. Congratulations, we will see you in Vancouver this Summer. Open 50 Teams Altar Boys (Canada), Australian Open 2 (Australia), Bunch of Schmucks (Australia), Carnegie (Sweden), Catch 22 (UK), Cynics (Canada), Enskede Frisbee Klubb (Sweden), Feldrenner (Germany), Fluid Druids (UK), Furious George (Canada), Hucking Foosiers (USA), La Fotta (Italy), Loquitos (Japan), Mephisto (Canada), Mexico City (Mexico), N.C.P.E. Barbarians (Japan), New Zealand (New Zealand), Nomads (Canada), Philly Rage (USA), Red Light Amsterdam (Netherlands), Saucy Jack (USA), Seattle Sockeye (USA), Shotgun (UK), Skogshyddans Is. (Sweden), Snapple (USA), Team 42 (Germany), The Flying Angels of Bern (Switzerland), The 7 Bees (Brazil), Tokyo Bombers (Japan), Tokyo Crews (Japan), Wall City (Germany), Yanomami (Venezuela), Yokohama Pelpiew (Japan), Zamperl (Germany) Women 30 Teams Atletico (Finland), Bliss (UK), Callipyge Ultimate Team (Canada), Carnegie (Sweden), Espoo Ultimate Club (Finland), Flo (Canada), GOO (Canada), Jezebel (Canada), Lady Godiva (USA), Lucy (Canada) Keio Huskies (Japan), Milder Norden (Germany), N.C.P.E. Barbarians (Japan), New Zealand (New Zealand), Ozone (USA), Philly Peppers (USA), Schwa (USA), Seven Green Bottles (Australia), Sophia Flying Disc Team FREAKS (Japan), Spirals (Japan), Stella (Canada), Team C.U.J.C. (Japan), Wilder Sueden (Germany) Masters 20 Teams Aged to Perfection (Canada), Australian Masters (Australia), Cynics Masters (Canada), DISConnection (Germany), Farm Accidents (Canada), Smell My Mule (Canada), Stan (UK), Texas Lovehandlers (USA), Tokyo Big Bombers (Japan), Where's Bob (International) Sam Stan (UK). From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Mar 14 12:02:54 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id LAA18246; Fri, 14 Mar 1997 11:42:24 GMT Received: from acacia.sucs.soton.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA18154; Fri, 14 Mar 1997 11:41:45 GMT Received: from b44a-23.sucs.soton.ac.uk (b44a-23.sucs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.173.23]) by acacia.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.2/server) with SMTP id LAA25064 for ; Fri, 14 Mar 1997 11:41:44 GMT Received: (from ajk194@localhost) by b44a-23.sucs.soton.ac.uk (SMI-8.6/client-8.8) id LAA05230 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Fri, 14 Mar 1997 11:41:43 GMT Message-Id: <199703141141.LAA05230@b44a-23.sucs.soton.ac.uk> Subject: Student outdoors again To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk (British Disc Mailing List) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 11:41:42 +0000 (GMT) From: "Fergal" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk It has been suggested that I remember to add my phone number this time. I agree it probably would be handy. Andy Kayley - Skunks 01703 367323 From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Mar 17 08:08:27 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id HAA08589; Mon, 17 Mar 1997 07:48:17 GMT Received: from crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id HAA08585; Mon, 17 Mar 1997 07:48:15 GMT Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 07:48:14 GMT From: Mr R C Doswell Message-Id: <10250.199703170748@crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Received: by crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk id HAA10250; Mon, 17 Mar 1997 07:48:14 GMT To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: BUF Events Reminder Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk British Ultimate Federation Disc Events Diary --------------------------------------------- March 1997 ---------- Saturday 22 March 1997 National Indoor Finals (2 days) @ Edinburgh Saturday 29 March 1997 Dublin Ultimate Tourny (2 days) @ Trinity College (Santry fields), Dublin, IE April 1997 ---------- Saturday 5 April 1997 BUF Tour I (2 days) @ Hitchin Sunday 13 April 1997 GB Open Team practice (1 day) @ TBA Saturday 19 April 1997 BUF Tour II : Leicester Outdoors (2 days) @ Victoria Park, Leicester Saturday 26 April 1997 Student Outdoors (2 days) @ Southampton May 1997 -------- Saturday 3 May 1997 BUF National Junior Outdoors (2 days) @ TBC Freezzz Beezzz 5th International Outdoor Ultimate Tournament (2 days) (Non-UK event) @ Brugge, BE Sunday 4 May 1997 GB Open Team practice (1 day) @ TBA Saturday 17 May 1997 Nottingham Outdoors (2 days) @ Nottingham Saturday 24 May 1997 GB Open Team practice (2 days) @ TBA (Note may be Sat/Sun OR Sun/Mon) Saturday 31 May 1997 BUF Tour III (2 days) @ Swindon June 1997 --------- Saturday 7 June 1997 Red Co-ed Outdoors (2 days) @ Countesthorpe, Leicester Sunday 15 June 1997 GB Open Team practice (1 day) @ TBA Saturday 21 June 1997 BUF Tour IV : Southampton Outdoors (2 days) @ Southampton July 1997 --------- Saturday 5 July 1997 BUF Tour V (2 days) @ Double Locks, Exeter Friday 11 July 1997 Warwick Bears 21st Reunion (3 days) TBC @ University of Warwick Sunday 13 July 1997 GB Open Team practice (1 day) @ TBA (Warwick?) Sunday 27 July 1997 World Ultimate Club Championships (WUCC'97) (7 days) (Non-UK event) @ Vancouver, CA August 1997 ----------- Sunday 10 August 1997 GB Open Team practice (1 day) @ TBA Saturday 16 August 1997 Ross-on-Wye (2 days) TBC @ Ross-On-Wye! Saturday 23 August 1997 1997 BDGA Championships (2 days) (Non-Ultimate) TBC Sunday 24 August 1997 EFDF European Ultimate Championships (7 days) @ Millfield School, Street, Somerset, UK September 1997 -------------- Thursday 11 September 1997 British Open (4 days) Saturday 27 September 1997 BUF National Finals (outdoor) (2 days) @ TBA. Anyone interested contact Si Hill asap. --------------------------------------------------------------- British Ultimate Federation Disc Events Diary http://www.csv.warwick.ac.uk:5201/cgi-bin/diary Ranulf Doswell, ralf@dcs.warwick.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Mar 17 11:30:35 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id LAA29929; Mon, 17 Mar 1997 11:14:15 GMT Received: from stone.dcs.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA29911; Mon, 17 Mar 1997 11:14:05 GMT Received: from mail.dcs.warwick.ac.uk by stone.dcs.warwick.ac.uk; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 12:19:54 GMT Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by mail.dcs.warwick.ac.uk; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 12:19:52 GMT Date: Fri, 7 Mar 1997 12:19:45 GMT Message-Id: <25312.199703071219@thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id MAA25312; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 12:19:45 GMT To: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: BOUNCE britdisc@warwick.ac.uk: Admin request Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk >From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Mar 7 12:19:32 1997 remote from Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id MAA25305; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 12:19:31 GMT Received: from mail2.lancs.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id MAA11985; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 12:19:27 GMT Received: from unixa.lancs.ac.uk (actually host unixa-atm.lancs.ac.uk) by mail2.lancs.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Fri, 7 Mar 1997 12:02:34 +0000 Received: (from beaumona@localhost) by unixa.lancs.ac.uk (8.8.4/8.6.12) id MAA29827; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 12:02:28 GMT Date: Fri, 7 Mar 1997 12:02:26 +0000 (GMT) From: ALEX BEAUMONT To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Looking for Discs Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Can anyboby out there please help? We are looking to buy some more discs and are trying to find some contact details, preferably of a supplier in the NW (but failing that anywhere!) If anyone can help it would be much appreciated. Cheers Alex "Reservoir Fish", Lancaster 01524 383497 a.beaumont@lancaster.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Mar 17 12:10:10 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id LAA04753; Mon, 17 Mar 1997 11:51:02 GMT Received: from clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA04749; Mon, 17 Mar 1997 11:50:58 GMT Received: from amsta.leeds.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA18484; Mon, 17 Mar 1997 11:50:54 GMT Received: from newton.leeds.amsta (newton.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.64]) by amsta.leeds.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA24774 for ; Mon, 17 Mar 1997 11:50:54 GMT Received: by newton.leeds.amsta (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA09553; Mon, 17 Mar 1997 11:55:02 GMT Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 11:55:02 GMT From: amtsjh@amsta.leeds.ac.uk (S J Hill) Message-Id: <199703171155.LAA09553@newton.leeds.amsta> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: closing dates, spare slots.... hurry hurry hurry... X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi Well teams have been working their way through the U8 info - and entries are coming in... some teams are entering all 5 straight away - and others have been able to work out which ones they can and can't enter. Don't forget that the closing date is this w/e! (although in true ultimate style that won't be the end of it I'm sure). Understand though, that entering AFTER the closing date will leave your team AT THE BACK OF THE QUEUE - (that also goes for teams who would otherwise get in automatically). [And remember that you need to get your BUF subs to Gavin, BUF Treasurer to be able to enter, - thats if you haven't paid them already. Same deadline!] Wondering who has entered? Not suprisingly, the teams going to Worlds are fully paid up and ready to go: Shotgun, Druids and Catch (thats 2 teams for Shotgun!!!! - although there will only be 1 at Hitchin) I'm not the person receiving the entries, but I can remember from talking to Dora on FRIDAY, that entries had also come in from (amongst others): Village People, Strange Blue, and Jedi Children. I also know that Stan, Violently Happy and Chevron are all entering all 5 tourneys and that their cheques are in the post! And I've heard from plenty of other people how they are planning to enter the whole thing and are just finalising their details, etc including Bliss, Mohawks, Skunks, First Touch, ... so if you think your team contact may not have sorted it all out yet - its worth getting them on to it - because the places ARE GOING! Closing dates are a new thing to most of us... but they will help - so try to meet them - because many of the other teams already have! The overall impression I am getting is generally one of excitement and interest from teams as they start to organise themselves to put in a good showing at the Tour Events... It will be so much help to those of us organising the tour, and the individual TDs, if we have a clear picture of the entry for each tourney in plenty of time... So PLEASE sort out your entry - and THANKS to the many teams who already (or nearly) have! Cheers Si From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Mar 17 21:13:46 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id UAA20126; Mon, 17 Mar 1997 20:37:51 GMT Received: from phidelta.demon.co.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id UAA20112; Mon, 17 Mar 1997 20:37:38 GMT Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 20:29:35 GMT From: LayoutDreams@phidelta.demon.co.uk (Layout Dreams) Reply-To: LayoutDreams@phidelta.demon.co.uk Message-Id: <5253@phidelta.demon.co.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Cc: c.hughes1@livjm.ac.uk Subject: Tour I - Hitchin X-Organisation: Layout Dreams X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Lines: 15 Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Ultim8 Tour I 5 and 6 April 1997 Priory School, Hitchin, Herts Invitations should be arriving with your team contacts anytime NOW also available, without the pretty pictures, at: http://www.phidelta.demon.co.uk/tour1.htm Deadline for entries is 24 MARCH 1997 (and you should have already sent your Ultim8 deposit to c/o Dora Kemp) _____________________________________________________________________________ Chris Hughes layoutDREAMS Wayne Retter +44/0-151-994-2629 LayoutDreams@phidelta.demon.co.uk +44/0-1737-242109 From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Mar 18 01:37:16 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id BAA14707; Tue, 18 Mar 1997 01:15:59 GMT Received: from relay-11.mail.demon.net by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id BAA14703; Tue, 18 Mar 1997 01:15:56 GMT Received: from chevronaf.demon.co.uk ([194.222.81.132]) by relay-10.mail.demon.net id aa1001463; 18 Mar 97 0:20 GMT From: rich@chevronaf.demon.co.uk, ich@chevronaf.demon.co.uk MMDF-Warning: Parse error in original version of preceding line at relay-11.mail.demon.net To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 00:17:41 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Wolves Indoors Results Reply-to: rich@chevronaf.demon.co.uk X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.42a) Message-ID: <858644440.101463.0@chevronaf.demon.co.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Dear All Results from the Wolverhampton Indoor Ultimate Challenge Tournament (to give it its full name). Report to follow tomorrow.... 1. Chevron Action Flash (Manchester) 2. Blue Arse Flies (Worcester) 3. The Toffs (SFA) 4. Flying Limbs (Northern Ireland) 5. Blue Nuns (various) 6. Mad Kows (Milton Keynes) 7. Nads (Newport) 8. Hot Stamp Rejects (Wolverhampton) 9. The Snobs (SFA) 10. Sneeeky's (Edinburgh) Thanks to everyone who came down (or up). See you all next year! Rich Chevron/Rejects ===================================================== Rich Parkes | rich@chevronaf.demon.co.uk Chevron Action Flash | 01902-713895 ===================================================== From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Mar 18 11:22:09 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id KAA24203; Tue, 18 Mar 1997 10:50:12 GMT Received: from oxmail4.ox.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id KAA24192; Tue, 18 Mar 1997 10:50:09 GMT Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk by oxmail4 with SMTP (PP) with ESMTP; Tue, 18 Mar 1997 10:50:07 +0000 Received: from localhost (immd0001@localhost) by ermine.ox.ac.uk (1.1/8.8.3) with SMTP id KAA10473; Tue, 18 Mar 1997 10:50:06 GMT Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 10:50:06 +0000 (GMT) From: paul meaney Reply-To: paul meaney To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk cc: eurodisc@ira.uka.de Subject: Nationals Seedings and Pools Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi all, well, to those that made it to the Finals - congratulations!. Below is a list of who is seeded where. The list is based in part on where you finished in your qualifier, in part on an (impartial) assessment of your performance by you TD, in part in an attempt to ensure that you don;t plasy teasm you have met before and in part in ensuring Druids get a tough group (joke!). Apologies for the lateness, but here we go: Seeding for the 1997 BUF National Indoor Championships: 1. Druids 2. Red 3. Shrub 4. Chevy 1 5. Stan 6. Blue Arsed Flies 7. UTI 8. Chevy 2 9. Slow White 10. Mythago 11. Dynamo Hamsters 12. Lurkers 13. Picnic 14. Sneeekys 1 15. Zebedees 16. Bears 17. Angels 18. Chaos 19. Strabge Blue 20. Flyiing Sorcerors 21. Village People 22. Uriel 23 Superfly 24. Phat eds Now some of you will probably start grumbling " rhubarbrhubarbxareseededhigherthanusrhubarbrhubarbbuttheyfinished fourthandwefinishedthirdrhubarb!!!" Patience children, the tournament format is four pools of six, so ifyou are diamonds in the rough, it will out in the pool games. You could be seeded at the bottom and still finish second in your pool and go on to glory!!! As I said, the seeding was done to ensure you all played different people. Now the pools are as follows: Pool A Pool B Pool C Pool D Druids Red Shrub Chevy 1 Chevy 2 UTI Blue Arsed Fl. Stan Slow White Mythago Dynamo Hamsters Lurkers Bears Zebedees Sneeekys Picnic Angels Chaos Strange Blue Sorcerors Phat Eds Superfly Uriel Village. THat's it. My head hurts. I'm going for a coffee. Any complaints, direct 'em to me. Oh and be ready, becasue when it comes to this, there's me and then there's God, OK? Paul. //////////////////////////////////\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ ****************************************************************************** Kryten: sir, you must forgive Mr Rimmer, he's suffering from a stress- related nervous disorder Lister: Next time I see him he'll be suffering from a fist- related teeth disorder ****************************************************************************** \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\//////////////////////////////////////////// From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Mar 18 11:59:17 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id LAA28565; Tue, 18 Mar 1997 11:24:14 GMT Received: from goole.octacon.co.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id LAA28559; Tue, 18 Mar 1997 11:24:10 GMT Received: from mailgate.pantek.co.uk (post.pantek.co.uk [194.176.73.2]) by goole.octacon.co.uk (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA08501 for ; Tue, 18 Mar 1997 11:24:10 GMT Received: by mailgate.pantek.co.uk with NT SMTP Gateway ver 31 id <332E7B49@mailgate.pantek.co.uk>; Tue, 18 Mar 97 11:23:53 G From: "Williams, Mark" To: "'britdisc'" Subject: Wolverhampton Indoors Report Date: Tue, 18 Mar 97 11:19:00 G Message-ID: <332E7B49@mailgate.pantek.co.uk> X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk As Rich has already posted the results I won't go into that again but will try to remember some of the weekends highlights. The tournament started well on Saturday morning with Fingers6 and Purple Jedi both no-shows leaving Rich and Martin with the headache of rewriting the schedule for 10 teams (ever tried this?). The teams were divided into 2 groups of 5 for the Saturday, Chevron seeded top in Group 1 and Blue Arse Flies seeded top in Group 2. Blue Arse Flies quickly established themselves as the team to beat by winning their games AND managing to pick up for Nuns (something they did all weekend, even in the game before the final!) Chevron got off to a good start, beating Rejects and The Snobs quite convincingly and the other team to show promise were Flying Lims, a new team from Northern Ireland including two old Sneeeky's (no offence Barry!) At this stage SFA had divided themselves (all 10 of them!) into two teams The Snobs and The Toffs and were showing great spirit playing in dinner jackets and dresses (think about it!) and shouting "Ra Ra Ra we're going to smash the Oiks!", results for them were mixed, possibly playing in full dress attire had something to do with it!! Chevron decided to go and watch the rugby in the local pub and, after a few pints and a pool disaster for Kenny (something to do with "beaten by a girl") we emulated our esteemed pool player by losing to Blue Nuns in a closely fought game. Blue Arse flies were meanwhile carrying on to an unbeaten record on Saturday and Chevron beat Flying Lims in the last game to finish top of Group 1. Saturday night and most of the teams descended in party atmosphere on an unsuspecting Wolverhampton, ending the night at Wolverhampton Civic Hall (2 dancefloors and relatively cheap beer - a deadly mix!). Sunday dawned in the impressive Molineux Centre with the realisation that a hungover Chevron had to play a spritely looking Blue Arse Flies (aptly named!), Martin and Harry G, in a drunken stupor, had devised a system where the top three teams from group 1 played the top three from group 2 - with the points from yesterday still counting. The game against Blue Arse couldn't have started worse - Chevron being 4-0 down in the first 5 minutes but rallying to lead 6-4 before finally losing 7-6, someone who shall remain nameless having THREE chances to tie the game in the last point (Oh, OK it was me!). The Toffs meanwhile saw off Flying Lims and Blue Nuns to set up a tense "semi final" with Chevron. In the Spoon section my old team Hot Stamp Rejects (great to see them back) were playing some neat Ultimate and Nads were performing well with some promising youngsters (and I mean young!). Chevron saw off The Toffs and prepared for an unbeaten BAF, Nads beat HSR in a closely fought Spoon Final and Blue Nuns triumphed over Mad Kows in the Plate. The final was expected to be a close affair and that proved to be the case as Chevron and BAF traded points throughout the 25 minute game and entered the cap level on scores at 10-10, Chevron scored first but BAF rallied and had the disc on the endzone line at 11-11, a layout in the endzone was narrowly missed and Chevron worked (oh alright, hammered) the disk to the opposite zone (great take by Harry), called a timeout and scored against some zone marking. Both teams were knackered after a well spirited and exciting final (from a Chevron point of view - watch out for BAF in Edinburgh!!). If anybody has managed to get this far through this mammoth report, let me assure you I have not written this all at once and it only remains for me to thank Martin Lucy and Rich Parkes for an excellent tournament - oh and Sneeeky's and Flying Lims won a joint spirit prize. See you in Edinburgh Mark Chevron. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Mar 18 13:46:01 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id NAA14719; Tue, 18 Mar 1997 13:20:27 GMT Received: from langs.st-andrews.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id NAA14695; Tue, 18 Mar 1997 13:20:20 GMT Received: from lang4.st-andrews.ac.uk (gcc@lang4.st-and.ac.uk [138.251.24.4]) by langs.st-andrews.ac.uk (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id NAA19388 for ; Tue, 18 Mar 1997 13:20:17 GMT Received: (from gcc@localhost) by lang4.st-andrews.ac.uk (8.6.12/8.6.12) id NAA06946; Tue, 18 Mar 1997 13:19:50 GMT Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 13:19:47 +0000 (GMT) From: Gillon Charles Campbell X-Sender: gcc@lang4 To: brit disc Subject: Scotish Tournament Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Yes thats right folks, somewhere other than Edinburgh is organising a tournament, but not quite on the same scale. We Flying Sorcerers of St Andrews are organising a scotish student indoor tournament So: Edinburgh Glasgow Stiirling Dundee Aberdeen (that is if anyone is up there) put your listening caps on. It is proposed for the weekend of the 19th and 20th of April,yes I do know that is the same as the outdoor in Leister but its the only time we can get and I've had enough driving for one year(well nearly) Basically this is some advanced warning as I will confirm all details in a couple of days, but you are welcome to bring as many people as you want even those who have never played in a tournament before as this will be a good start. Price per team will be under 30pounds ot 75!!!!! Stirling please e-mail me so I can e-mail you directly with the info Hope to tsee you all then. If any one knows if I have to do some things to run a tournament will they please let me know, ie lodge an official proposal with BUF? Gillon Flying Sorcerers 01334-478706 116 North St St Andrews Fife KY16 9AF From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Mar 18 15:45:57 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id PAA01872; Tue, 18 Mar 1997 15:14:49 GMT Received: from polaris.kbw.co.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id PAA01857; Tue, 18 Mar 1997 15:14:43 GMT Received: from RUKBAT (RUKBAT [194.70.193.70]) by polaris.kbw.co.uk (NTMail 3.02.10) with ESMTP id wa005716 for ; Tue, 18 Mar 1997 15:14:22 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970318151853.0092b960@mail> X-Sender: roger@mail X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 15:18:53 +0000 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: Roger Thomson Subject: Catch 22 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Can anybody help Ingo out? I think he's got a pretty good pal looking for a space on a team for Worlds. And please email him - travel@equity.co.uk, not me - or I'll write a demonic program to email you hundreds of times a day about the intricacies of knot theory. Thanks R >Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 14:58:06 +0000 >X-Sender: travel-equity@win-1.interlogic.co.uk (Unverified) >To: Roger Thompson >From: ingo d piroth >Subject: Catch 22 > >Hey Rog > >I need to get hold of other teams going to Vancouver. Any ideas on who I can get in touch with to give me some contacts? > >laters Ig > From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Mar 18 16:44:50 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id QAA10820; Tue, 18 Mar 1997 16:10:43 GMT Received: from stone.dcs.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id QAA10811; Tue, 18 Mar 1997 16:10:38 GMT Received: from mail.dcs.warwick.ac.uk by stone.dcs.warwick.ac.uk; Mon, 17 Mar 1997 16:40:30 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by mail.dcs.warwick.ac.uk; Mon, 17 Mar 1997 16:40:22 GMT Received: from relay-7.mail.demon.net by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id QAA23383; Mon, 17 Mar 1997 16:40:20 GMT Received: from rfeltham.demon.co.uk ([194.222.105.80]) by relay-6.mail.demon.net id aa0608643; 17 Mar 97 16:37 GMT Message-ID: Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 16:25:20 +0000 To: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: Andrew Feltham Subject: Re: BOUNCE britdisc@warwick.ac.uk: Admin request In-Reply-To: <25312.199703071219@thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Version 3.01 Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk In message <25312.199703071219@thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk>, owner- britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk writes >>From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Mar 7 12:19:32 1997 remote from >Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP > id MAA25305; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 12:19:31 GMT >Received: from mail2.lancs.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP > id MAA11985; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 12:19:27 GMT >Received: from unixa.lancs.ac.uk (actually host unixa-atm.lancs.ac.uk) > by mail2.lancs.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Fri, 7 Mar 1997 12:02:34 +0000 >Received: (from beaumona@localhost) by unixa.lancs.ac.uk (8.8.4/8.6.12) > id MAA29827; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 12:02:28 GMT >Date: Fri, 7 Mar 1997 12:02:26 +0000 (GMT) >From: ALEX BEAUMONT >To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk >Subject: Looking for Discs >Message-ID: >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > >Can anyboby out there please help? > >We are looking to buy some more discs and are trying to find some contact >details, preferably of a supplier in the NW (but failing that anywhere!) If >anyone can help it would be much appreciated. > >Cheers >Alex >"Reservoir Fish", Lancaster > >01524 383497 >a.beaumont@lancaster.ac.uk > If you want to get some personalised discs the Discraft do them. They are a american company but there prices aren't bad for U.P.A. members. You can contact them at discraft@aol.com Hope that is some help - Andrew Feltham ------------------------------------------------- - Andrew Feltham - - HURRICANE ULTIMATE PLAYER - ------------------------------------------------- From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Mar 18 17:06:08 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id QAA13960; Tue, 18 Mar 1997 16:32:40 GMT Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id QAA13942; Tue, 18 Mar 1997 16:32:28 GMT Received: from renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id QAA23205; Tue, 18 Mar 1997 16:32:25 GMT Received: from mull.sms.ed.ac.uk (mull.sms.ed.ac.uk [129.215.141.1]) by renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk (8.6.13/8.6.12) with ESMTP id QAA02816 for ; Tue, 18 Mar 1997 16:32:23 GMT Received: from SMS-MULL/SpoolDir by mull.sms.ed.ac.uk (Mercury 1.21); 18 Mar 97 16:28:09 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by SMS-MULL (Mercury 1.21); 18 Mar 97 16:27:43 +0000 From: "BARRY O'KANE" <9363680@mull.sms.ed.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 16:27:36 +0000 Subject: Nationals X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <9C83977286E@mull.sms.ed.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi all, Check out the updated nationals web site for: - Tourney details and directions. - Reports of quals - seeding and pools - provisional game format http://www.ed.ac.uk/~ultimate/nationals/ And just for their information the first 4 teams (playing at 9am) are: RED vs UTI Druids Vs Chevy 2 See you all soon, BARRY PS Don't hassle me about the format - contact Paul. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Mar 18 17:06:35 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id QAA13704; Tue, 18 Mar 1997 16:30:50 GMT Received: from typhoon.dial.pipex.net by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id QAA13683; Tue, 18 Mar 1997 16:30:40 GMT Received: from [194.203.111.155] (194.203.111.155) by typhoon.dial.pipex.net (8.8.2/UUNET PIPEX simple 1.29) id QAA04868; Tue, 18 Mar 1997 16:27:58 GMT Message-Id: <199703181627.QAA04868@typhoon.dial.pipex.net> From: "Richard Clegg" To: "brit disc" Subject: Re: Scotish Tournament Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 16:30:49 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk I'm sorry, I just can't resist this. It's a cheap shot, but ... > We Flying Sorcerers of St Andrews are organising a scotish student indoor > tournament. Gillon, if you're going to keep on pretending to be Scottish, at least learn to spell the word! Like I said, cheap shot. Blame it on the coffee. (God, I hope there're no spelling mistakes in this). I can't believe there hasn't been a single moan about the seedings and pools for this weekend yet. Scuttler, Sneeeky's. ************************************************************ Richard J. Clegg Web Developer, Company Net richard@company-net.co.uk ************************************************************ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Mar 18 17:09:37 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id QAA14614; Tue, 18 Mar 1997 16:37:30 GMT Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id QAA14597; Tue, 18 Mar 1997 16:37:16 GMT Received: from renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id QAA23324; Tue, 18 Mar 1997 16:37:06 GMT Received: from mull.sms.ed.ac.uk (mull.sms.ed.ac.uk [129.215.141.1]) by renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk (8.6.13/8.6.12) with ESMTP id QAA03153 for ; Tue, 18 Mar 1997 16:36:59 GMT Received: from SMS-MULL/SpoolDir by mull.sms.ed.ac.uk (Mercury 1.21); 18 Mar 97 16:32:43 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by SMS-MULL (Mercury 1.21); 18 Mar 97 16:32:31 +0000 From: "BARRY O'KANE" <9363680@mull.sms.ed.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 16:32:30 +0000 Subject: Discs X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <9C84E0C4652@mull.sms.ed.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi all, There have been a number of enquiries for discs recently so: Contact "WIND THINGS" in Edinburgh for ALL your disc needs. Ultrastars availabe by mail order to all over the country. Discounts available for clubs/bulk orders phone: 0131 622 7032 Also, they will be on hand this weekend at the nationals selling loads of discs and offering you the chance to get their help in producing personalised discs from Discraft. BARRY From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Mar 18 17:41:54 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id RAA20402; Tue, 18 Mar 1997 17:13:27 GMT Received: from ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id RAA20379; Tue, 18 Mar 1997 17:13:15 GMT Received: from caj1.arch.cam.ac.uk [131.111.34.20] by ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.61 #3) id 0w72Rk-000383-00; Tue, 18 Mar 1997 17:13:12 +0000 Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 17:17:09 GMT From: "Dora A. Kemp" To: Subject: Hired Coach to Edinburgh X-Mailer: Mulberry [1.0.1, s/n #10001] X-Authenticated: dak12 by imap.cus.cam.ac.uk X-Licensed-To: University of Cambridge MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hello everyone. Chaos is organising a privately hired coach from London to the Indoor Nationals in Edinburgh this weekend and there are a few spaces left. It will be stopping in Cambridge on the way. A full coach load of 33 would put the cost down to around 25 pounds. Cheaper than any method of public transportation. If you want a seat contact either Kathy on (0181) 882-1797 or Fiona (0181) 449-8109. Please get in touch to make it cheaper for everybody. Dora Kemp Strange Blue Whatever does good should be held in honour, and the only shame is in doing harm. - Plato McDonald Institute for Archaeological Research Downing Street, Cambridge, England, CB2 3ER (01223) 339336; (01223) 333536 (FAX)/(01223) 339285; dak12@cam.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Mar 18 17:52:51 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id RAA22432; Tue, 18 Mar 1997 17:24:37 GMT Received: from dns0.curved-logic.com by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id RAA22415; Tue, 18 Mar 1997 17:24:31 GMT Received: from pc15.curved-logic.com by dns0.curved-logic.com id aa17516; 18 Mar 97 18:27 GMT Received: by pc15.curved-logic.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BC33BF.94750B80@pc15.curved-logic.com>; Tue, 18 Mar 1997 17:12:38 -0000 Message-ID: <01BC33BF.94750B80@pc15.curved-logic.com> From: Kevin Lowe To: "'Britdisc'" Subject: Taking the bait! Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 17:12:36 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk >I can't believe there hasn't been a single moan about the seedings and >pools for this weekend yet. OK, since I'm not going to be playing, I'll bite, and say my bit. This = is not meant as a=20 criticism of Paul who is doing a wonderful job that even God would be = proud of, just a=20 couple of corrections to the web site schedule, and a couple of = observations. 1 V 2 in each pool first match. Now that's harsh! I've never known a = tournament where=20 the single most crucial game for the top seeds is first. Perhaps the top = seeds are=20 normally pampered a bit, and have their closest game after a couple of = warm-up=20 walkover games, but that's their prerogative for being seeded so high. Likewise all the other first games. Each team has such an important show = down as=20 there first game. Perhaps it's Sneeeky's revenge to catch those = jet-lagged teams out=20 since they have had to do the most traveling in the past. Opening pool = matches are=20 normally 1v4, 2v5, 3v6 just to give all the teams a warm-up game that = shouldn't=20 produce any upsets. Sunday morning cross-overs. I guess these are typos. C3 and B3 are = surely not=20 playing back to back with two chances to make the top 8. I guess this = should read=20 A2 v B3, C3 v D2 followed by B2 v A3, D3 v C2. Harsh being first match = on the=20 Sunday, but then it's normally like that. Quarter finals. Apart from the top 8, I'm a little surprised by the = mathematics of this, but each to their own. 11:00 Hall 1, shouldn't this be B3 v D4? 11:45 Hall 1, D1 v C2, not D1 v D2. OK. I'll quit now. I was just bored at work, and I found the schedule = more interesting (work is REALLY boring). Good luck to Paul coping with = this many teams, and good luck to everyone playing there. Kevin. --=20 | E-mail Kev@Curved-logic.com Phone (+44)1244-382371 | Q. Which is the greater problem in the world today, Ignorance or = Apathy? | A. I don't know, and I really don't care! From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Mar 18 18:22:09 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id RAA26092; Tue, 18 Mar 1997 17:50:56 GMT Received: from violet.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id RAA26079; Tue, 18 Mar 1997 17:50:50 GMT Received: from admin.warwick.ac.uk by violet.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id RAA27795; Tue, 18 Mar 1997 17:50:44 GMT Received: from SIGMA/MERCURY by admin.warwick.ac.uk (Mercury 1.21); 18 Mar 97 17:52:04 +0000 Received: from MERCURY by SIGMA (Mercury 1.21); 18 Mar 97 17:51:57 +0000 From: "DEREK ROBINS" Organization: University of Warwick, CV4 7AL, UK To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 17:51:57 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Discs X-mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.1 (R1a) Message-ID: <398C4F5242@admin.warwick.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Now I know that most readers of this group will probably be more interested in Ultrastars (of which I have a few) but if you want golf discs or even freestyle discs (Discraft Skystyler) then I'm your man. I have hundreds of golf discs in stock covering more than 20 different moulds. They are mostly priced at 7 pounds. For mail order add 1 pound for the first disc and 50p per disc thereafter. Del's Discs will soon be live on the internet. You will be able to browse the stockroom and reserve discs of your preferred mould, weight and colour!! Mail me for details or phone 01926 864136 (evenings) Del ( I hate to say it but I'm probably most easily described as the little bald bloke who plays for STAN and can chuck a disc a long way) *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*- Derek Robins | | D.J.Robins@admin.warwick.ac.uk Management Accountant | | Tel 01203 523523 x22710 Finance Office | | Fax 01203 524573 University of Warwick | | Room 343 Coventry CV4 7AL | | Senate House *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*- From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Mar 19 09:15:21 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id IAA06134; Wed, 19 Mar 1997 08:49:10 GMT Received: from hplb.hpl.hp.com by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id IAA06116; Wed, 19 Mar 1997 08:49:03 GMT Received: from hpqm0500.sqf.hp.com by hplb.hpl.hp.com; Wed, 19 Mar 1997 08:49:01 GMT Received: by hpqm0500.sqf.hp.com (1.37.109.20/15.5+ECS 3.4 ) id AA259541340; Wed, 19 Mar 1997 08:49:00 GMT From: Chris Burden Message-Id: <199703190849.AA259541340@hpqm0500.sqf.hp.com> Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 08:49:00 +0000 (GMT) To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Jet Lagged ? X-Mailer: Ishmail 1.2.2-960610-hp Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Kevin wrote: ... Perhaps it's Sneeeky's revenge to catch those jet-lagged teams out since they have had to do the most traveling in the past..... I write; Are folks really flying up ? Have you all changed your money yet ? Are your passports up to date ? Don't forget your suntan cream. Have you had your shots yet ? Remember to bring bottled water and soft toilet paper. Well this observation of Kevins has obviously been written by someone who does not travel far to tournaments. From our experience (Sneeeky's) we have found that often we played our best, both in and outdoors on our first match when arriving at a tournament. We always arrived on Friday, so we were first at the tournament (sometimes even before the tournament organizers) - so we were warmed up. Also after sitting 8 hours in a wee bus, the chance to run flat out in any direction, always made us the faster team on our first game. So why are we not the best team around, I hear you ask ? Saturday night parties take their toll is the answer. So from our experience, I recommend that no one goes to the SATURDAY NIGHT PLAYERS PARTY and that they get to bed early. This PARTY will be nothing more than a FUNK FUELED FRENZY of MUCKY MAYHEM AND MADNESS - certainly not for the likes of the Druids, Red or Shrub ! (bait ! bait ! bait !) See ya there ! ________________ ~ -- __ ~ /) ((__(___|____)__)) (\ - --- _~~ / ) ( \ ~~ ___ _( (_ _ _ _) )_ .. . . (((\ \> /_> <_\ ; Wed, 19 Mar 1997 09:36:08 GMT Received: by newton.leeds.amsta (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA14152; Wed, 19 Mar 1997 09:36:09 GMT Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 09:36:09 GMT From: amtsjh@amsta.leeds.ac.uk (S J Hill) Message-Id: <199703190936.JAA14152@newton.leeds.amsta> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: gags, bait and people who (like me) don't appear to have enough work to do.... X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hello Since idle chit-chat seems to be the order of the day about this w/e... Paul wrote: > Oh and be ready, becasue when it comes to this, there's me and > then there's God, OK? Kev wrote: > OK, since I'm not going to be playing, I'll bite, and say my bit. This is not meant as a > criticism of Paul who is doing a wonderful job that even God would be proud of, just a > couple of corrections to the web site schedule, and a couple of observations. Guys - I wish you'd stop calling me God. and Del wrote > ( I hate to say it but I'm probably most easily described as the little > bald bloke who plays for STAN and can chuck a disc a long way) I can't believe you have neglected to mention your uncanny resemblance to Lombardo, the strangely-bald Italian football star! ho ho ho - I'm off for a game of tennis. Si From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Mar 19 11:55:35 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id LAA27638; Wed, 19 Mar 1997 11:36:12 GMT Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA27632; Wed, 19 Mar 1997 11:36:08 GMT Received: from renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id LAA07786; Wed, 19 Mar 1997 11:36:00 GMT Received: from mull.sms.ed.ac.uk (mull.sms.ed.ac.uk [129.215.141.1]) by renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk (8.6.13/8.6.12) with ESMTP id LAA13674 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 1997 11:35:27 GMT Received: from SMS-MULL/SpoolDir by mull.sms.ed.ac.uk (Mercury 1.21); 19 Mar 97 11:31:09 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by SMS-MULL (Mercury 1.21); 19 Mar 97 11:30:52 +0000 From: "BARRY O'KANE" <9363680@mull.sms.ed.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 11:30:46 +0000 Subject: This weekend X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <9DB47B97A46@mull.sms.ed.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk HI, Well done to all of you out there that spotted the deliberate mistake(s) in the web schedule - they must have been deliberate 'cuse we rae too wlle orginased to mke such a simpel tpyo! As to who plays when: if teams can't perform on Sat morning at an indoor tourney how do they manage it on Sunday morning? BUT if the teams involved pray hard enough..... On a more serious note; what Chris (Papa Sneeeky ain't he great?) said about the party is very true. Do not at all costs attend the Sat night party - unless you think you can handle it! Actually, we had better declare the weekend a drink free, laugh free, gag free, fun free zone - just to be on the safe side. Anyone caught having a good time on Sat night will immediatly be forced to consume some beer. Serious faces on; BARRY From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Mar 19 11:58:23 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id LAA28084; Wed, 19 Mar 1997 11:40:18 GMT Received: from pluto.open.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA28070; Wed, 19 Mar 1997 11:40:15 GMT Received: from [137.108.81.37] (actually host UU-arthur-mac.open.ac.uk) by pluto.open.ac.uk with SMTP Local (PP); Wed, 19 Mar 1997 11:36:48 +0000 X-Sender: trevor@blake.open.ac.uk Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 11:37:48 +0000 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: t.d.collins@open.ac.uk (Trevor Collins) Subject: A Mad Kow Invite........ Cc: bruno@oce.orst.edu Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Dear Kowmate, The Mad Kows proudly present: Kowpat '97 Spice Beef - The Horny Tourny The 1st Milton Keynes Outdoor Ultimate Tournament 17th - 18th May 1997 A tournament for 12 to 16 teams on beautifully grazed, full-size pitches. All day snack bar, late night summer Solstice party, camping, hot showers, and toilets provided. Milton Keynes the heart of the nation, the crux of the country, easy to reach from anywhere, that's Kowsville MK. Famous for its concrete bovines, a must for any disc hucking loon. We want: Mixed teams, ordinary teams, fun teams, teams who enjoy a spot of fly fishing, teams of Welsh rugby playing supermodels, teams of butchers, teams of bakers, teams of candlestick makers, and teams who enjoy mud wrestling and river swimming. This tournament is not pitched directly at the best teams in the country, more at the rough and ready newcomers and old duffers like us, who are still on the steeper part of the learning curve. Still interested: Contact a Mad Kow today, and send swags of cash soon (GBP 65 - cheques made payable to "Mad Kows Ultimate", places secured on a first paid first served basis): Trevor Collins Email - t.d.collins@open.ac.uk Phone - day 01908 655731, evening 01908 232989 Eddie Gonsalves Email - e.c.gonsalves@open.ac.uk Phone - day 01908 654265, evening 01908 671580 From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Mar 19 12:11:09 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id LAA00320; Wed, 19 Mar 1997 11:55:56 GMT Received: from amsta.leeds.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA00306; Wed, 19 Mar 1997 11:55:52 GMT Received: from newton.leeds.amsta (newton.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.64]) by amsta.leeds.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA28819 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 1997 11:55:53 GMT Received: by newton.leeds.amsta (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA14630; Wed, 19 Mar 1997 11:55:53 GMT Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 11:55:53 GMT From: amtsjh@amsta.leeds.ac.uk (S J Hill) Message-Id: <199703191155.LAA14630@newton.leeds.amsta> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: U8 X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi Sorry about this - a bit more info about the tour. 1. More entries are IN: again a mixture of teams entering one or two tourneys, and some entering all five. Thats over half the spaces @ Hitchin GONE - and I know of at least 3 others that will be gone by tomorrow! Hurry hurry hurry! (Please remember to do things like date your cheque(!) and include your roster!!) 2. I think Chris may have caused a little confusion with his invitations to Hitchin. I believe that he included a roster form - this was just Chris being helpful. ie - you do NOT need this - but you can use it to fill in your roster and send it to Dora if you like. But a blank piece of paper will do fine. Also - you can ignore the "rules" on the back of this form, they are out of date and do not apply to U8 tournaments. There is NO NEED to send another copy of the roster anywhere. We will **NOT** be collecting rosters for each individual tourney. (Although there will be some low level of informal, "random" checks.) [If none of this makes sense to you, it shoudl make sense to your team contact, who recieved a pack of info about the tour. Are you in any doubt about whether your team contact is acting upon this info? If so, give them a ring,... or a kick.] Si From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Mar 19 13:15:13 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id MAA10692; Wed, 19 Mar 1997 12:57:55 GMT Received: from vulcan by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id MAA10680; Wed, 19 Mar 1997 12:57:50 GMT Received: from hawk.le.ac.uk by vulcan with SMTP (PP); Wed, 19 Mar 1997 12:55:24 +0000 Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 12:55:22 +0000 (GMT) From: Scott X-Sender: iws1@hawk To: Kevin Lowe cc: "'Britdisc'" Subject: Re: Taking the bait! In-Reply-To: <01BC33BF.94750B80@pc15.curved-logic.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Kevin, > 1 V 2 in each pool first match. Now that's harsh! I've never known a tournament where > the single most crucial game for the top seeds is first. Perhaps the top seeds are > normally pampered a bit, and have their closest game after a couple of warm-up > walkover games, but that's their prerogative for being seeded so high. Speaking for Red, we really aren't bothered. The top teams aught to perform at whatever time they play don't you think. Scott /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ SCOTT: Ian Scotland Tel: 0116 2525824 Fax: 0116 2523154 E-mail: iws1@le.ac.uk http://wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk/buf/ /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Mar 19 13:50:45 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id NAA14598; Wed, 19 Mar 1997 13:26:35 GMT Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 13:26:28 GMT Received: from [137.205.222.1] by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id NAA14580; Wed, 19 Mar 1997 13:26:28 GMT X-Sender: serai@mail.csv.warwick.ac.uk Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: D.P.Neilson@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Dave Neilson) Subject: Re: Taking the bait! Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk >Kevin, > >> 1 V 2 in each pool first match. Now that's harsh! I've never known a >>tournament where >> the single most crucial game for the top seeds is first. Perhaps the top >>seeds are >> normally pampered a bit, and have their closest game after a couple of >>warm-up >> walkover games, but that's their prerogative for being seeded so high. > >Speaking for Red, we really aren't bothered. The top teams aught to >perform at whatever time they play don't you think. > >Scott I agree with Kevin's comments whole-heartedly! The normal (some might say proper) order of games in the schedule has been completely turned upside down. In addition, there was something about group games 1 v 6 NOT taking place - I was unsure whether I had read this correctly because of the other more obvious errors in the published schedule. I am aware that it seems last minute to make changes, but the total number of teams expected has been known for many weeks, but it is not until a few days before the NATIONAL INDOOR FINALS that the schedules and format are 'leaked' to the teams taking part! I do not wish to falsely accuse anyone, but if I am right in thinking that Paul Meaney drew up the game schedule (or is taking responsibility for it) then might I say (in the sort of fashion that Paul himself seems to prefer) ... "If you don't know how to BLOODY WELL do the SCHEDULE for the most IMPORTANT SODDING INDOOR EVENT IN THE CALENDAR, you should *'ING WELL ask someone who has done it before!" ... not my normal turn of phrasiology, you understand and certainly not imbued with the venom and vitriol that the emotive words might suggest. In a calmer sounding vein: "Is it too late to re-jig the game order?". While appreciating Scott's provactive suggestion, I think that it seems rather odd to ruin the group climax (oo-er) by pitching 1 v 2 (and likewise down the seeding list) so early in the day ... if all the losers go down to the open-all-day pubs instead of playing their other games, then we could have a premature evacuation on our hands .... so to speak ;-) Sam Neilson (Speaking only in his capacity as a player for Stan, who unlike recent seasons, have found themselves involved in the BUF Indoor Finals). From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Mar 19 14:24:51 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id OAA19747; Wed, 19 Mar 1997 14:05:28 GMT Received: from versailles.quidnunc.com by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id OAA19741; Wed, 19 Mar 1997 14:05:21 GMT Received: by versailles.quidnunc.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.993.5) id <01BC346E.B22D2040@versailles.quidnunc.com>; Wed, 19 Mar 1997 14:06:09 -0000 Message-ID: From: Neil Cooper To: "'britdisc'" Subject: Stoking the fire Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 14:06:07 -0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.993.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Of course it isn't always the case that 1 v 2 is the 'crunch game in the group .............' Coops . Slow White # 88 (A3) neilc@quidnunc.com just to keep everyone amused in this time of crisis ------------------------------------------ O.k all STAR WAR'S fans: Top ten sexually suggestive lines in each of the Star Wars Trilogy movies. Star Wars 10. "Get in there you big furry oaf, I don't care what you smell!" 9. "Luke, at that speed do you think you'll be able to pull out in time?" 8. "Put that thing away before you get us all killed." 7. "You've got something jammed in here real good." 6. "Aren't you a little short for a stormtrooper?" 5. "You came in that thing? You're braver than I thought." 4. "Sorry about the mess..." 3. "Look at the size of that thing!" 2. "Curse my metal body, I wasn't fast enough!" 1. "She may not look like much, but she's got it where it counts, kid." more to follow possibly ........ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Mar 19 15:43:37 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id PAA00556; Wed, 19 Mar 1997 15:26:46 GMT Received: from oxmail4.ox.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id PAA00522; Wed, 19 Mar 1997 15:26:38 GMT Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk by oxmail4 with SMTP (PP) with ESMTP; Wed, 19 Mar 1997 15:26:33 +0000 Received: from localhost (immd0001@localhost) by ermine.ox.ac.uk (1.1/8.8.3) with SMTP id PAA08176 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 1997 15:26:32 GMT Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 15:26:32 +0000 (GMT) From: paul meaney To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Firing the stoke... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Ah, Sammy, good to see you are getting the hang of this admin lark!! I can say with hand on heart No - I didn't do the schedule, but I guess I should take responsibility for it. Yes I guess I should have ensured that the schedule was done ages ago, but there was one *slight* problem... until yesterday there still was not 24 confirmed teams!!!!! lets look at the list of dropouts... on second thoughts maybe not. I think it's totally right NOT to issue a schedule until you are sure that it is the CORRECT one (and to be fair there were back up schedules of 20 and 18 teams just in case.) and not issue one, have it change because some people drop out and then when people turn up say "oh, sorry, that's not the schedule, it's changed - this is the new one!!!" so I screwed up, well learning curve, build on for next year, teething troubles, learn from mistakes, etc etc... actually, it's all bollocks. the only thing I had anything to do with was the seeding. Aslo to agree with Scotty, if you are seeded 1, then playing first should not affect your peformance at all. If you don't come out firing on all cylinders, and then *lose*, it could prove most fascinating. Also, it is correct that there is no 1 vs 6. This is due to limitations of hall space (to allow everyone to get decent length games - after all, you've travelled this far, you don't wan't to play 13 min games all w/e do you?) and also to allow four crossover games for seeds 5 - 12 to eliminate any "we wuz dun, guv!!!" complaining. So things are a little different this year. 'course it's different - it's in Scotland innit? see ya friday. Paul. //////////////////////////////////\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ ****************************************************************************** Kryten: sir, you must forgive Mr Rimmer, he's suffering from a stress- related nervous disorder Lister: Next time I see him he'll be suffering from a fist- related teeth disorder ****************************************************************************** \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\//////////////////////////////////////////// From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Mar 19 16:34:38 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id QAA06239; Wed, 19 Mar 1997 16:08:08 GMT From: danl@cbarker.co.uk Received: from mailhub by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id QAA06226; Wed, 19 Mar 1997 16:07:57 GMT Received: from cbsmtp.cbarker.co.uk (cbsmtp.cbarker.co.uk [194.207.58.37]) by mailhub (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id QAA17657 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 1997 16:07:13 GMT Received: from ccMail by cbsmtp.cbarker.co.uk (SMTPLINK V2.11) id AA858817319; Wed, 19 Mar 97 16:21:10 GMT Date: Wed, 19 Mar 97 16:21:10 GMT Message-Id: <9702198588.AA858817319@cbsmtp.cbarker.co.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Looking for a club to join Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Dear All, I would like to join an Ultimate club somewhere in the South London Area. Does anyone know of one (if there are any) and could you e-mail me some info. Thanks, Dan Lucas From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Mar 19 16:34:48 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id QAA06788; Wed, 19 Mar 1997 16:11:58 GMT Received: from oxmail4.ox.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id QAA06766; Wed, 19 Mar 1997 16:11:45 GMT Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk by oxmail4 with SMTP (PP) with ESMTP; Wed, 19 Mar 1997 16:11:39 +0000 Received: from localhost (immd0001@localhost) by ermine.ox.ac.uk (1.1/8.8.3) with SMTP id QAA22404 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 1997 16:11:38 GMT Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 16:11:38 +0000 (GMT) From: paul meaney To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Nationals info for those travelling.... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi there, just to repeat what Chris 'Papa Sneeeky" Burden said, can I please emphasise that all people travelling from England to the tournament this w/e can you all ensure that you bring your passports. Border security on the M6 and A1 has been tightened following a rash of Ally McCoist sightings (He's the 'Not John Parrott' captain on a Question of Sport). Apparently the Scottish Government doesn't want the traitorous Git back, after signing up to the BBC If you forget your passport, there is a way of nipping across the border unnoticed. Turn off at carlisle, along the A7 and then take the first left. Follow that road until you see a little house. Ask for Hamish. He'll sneak you across for they price of a bottle of whiskey. and who says I've been working too hard on this tournament... Paul. //////////////////////////////////\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ ****************************************************************************** Kryten: sir, you must forgive Mr Rimmer, he's suffering from a stress- related nervous disorder Lister: Next time I see him he'll be suffering from a fist- related teeth disorder ****************************************************************************** \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\//////////////////////////////////////////// From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Mar 19 17:13:16 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id QAA12765; Wed, 19 Mar 1997 16:45:49 GMT Received: from polaris.kbw.co.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id QAA12741; Wed, 19 Mar 1997 16:45:39 GMT Received: from RUKBAT (RUKBAT [194.70.193.70]) by polaris.kbw.co.uk (NTMail 3.02.10) with ESMTP id la005757 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 1997 16:45:15 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970319164945.0090d640@mail> X-Sender: roger@mail X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 16:49:47 +0000 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: Roger Thomson Subject: Indoor Finals Shmindoor Finals Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk At 15:26 19/03/97 +0000, PAUL MEANEY wrote: > Aslo to agree with Scotty, if you are seeded 1, then playing first >should not affect your peformance at all. Paul, You seem to have missed Sammy's point completely. The 1v2 is a crunch game, and therefore players should be allowed time and games to warm up so that the result better reflects the skills of the teams rather than whose bus got there first and who was less hungover. Sammy's other point about saving the most important games 'til later for suspense and excitement is also a very good point. If your only response to these good points is: > If you don't come out firing on >all cylinders, and then *lose*, it could prove most fascinating. Then I just hope to hell you aren't organising the outdoor nationals! Those 2 points have dictated the way most disc tournaments (and all important ones) and tournaments in alot of other sports have been run for along time. Scotland knows better huh? And I didn't mean you Scott. Weren't you expecting my oar? Roger SHOTGUN PS. Best of luck to all you indoorers, despite our absence Shotgun hope that you all have an enjoyable weekend and that someone beats the Druids (please). From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Mar 19 18:51:20 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id SAA28003; Wed, 19 Mar 1997 18:23:49 GMT From: danl@cbarker.co.uk Received: from mailhub by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id SAA27992; Wed, 19 Mar 1997 18:23:46 GMT Received: from cbsmtp.cbarker.co.uk (cbsmtp.cbarker.co.uk [194.207.58.37]) by mailhub (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id SAA22152 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 1997 18:23:03 GMT Received: from ccMail by cbsmtp.cbarker.co.uk (SMTPLINK V2.11) id AA858825479; Wed, 19 Mar 97 18:36:04 GMT Date: Wed, 19 Mar 97 18:36:04 GMT Message-Id: <9702198588.AA858825479@cbsmtp.cbarker.co.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Looking for a club near Romford, Essex - any ideas? Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Mar 19 19:26:21 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id SAA01325; Wed, 19 Mar 1997 18:55:30 GMT Received: from relay-7.mail.demon.net by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id SAA01312; Wed, 19 Mar 1997 18:55:26 GMT Received: from stures.demon.co.uk ([194.222.19.95]) by relay-5.mail.demon.net id aa0521707; 19 Mar 97 17:58 GMT X-Sender: (Unverified) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 18:00:54 +0000 To: Roger Thomson From: Max Keogh Subject: Re: Indoor Finals Shmindoor Finals Cc: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Message-ID: <858794294.0521707.0@stures.demon.co.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk > >Roger >SHOTGUN > >PS. Best of luck to all you indoorers, despite our absence Shotgun hope >that you all have an enjoyable weekend and that someone beats the Druids >(please). Someone's already beaten them. In the qualifiers. Now what was that team again??? Max From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Mar 20 00:31:51 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id AAA29121; Thu, 20 Mar 1997 00:05:48 GMT Received: from relay-11.mail.demon.net by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id AAA29110; Thu, 20 Mar 1997 00:05:43 GMT Received: from chevronaf.demon.co.uk ([194.222.81.132]) by relay-11.mail.demon.net id aa1107357; 20 Mar 97 0:02 GMT From: rich@chevronaf.demon.co.uk, ich@chevronaf.demon.co.uk MMDF-Warning: Parse error in original version of preceding line at relay-11.mail.demon.net To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 22:24:46 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: Quoted-printable Subject: Wolvehampton Indoors [Official] Report Reply-to: rich@chevronaf.demon.co.uk X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.42a) Message-ID: <858816138.117357.0@chevronaf.demon.co.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk After a years absence the Rejects indoors was back and better than ever! Imagine the scene, It=92s Friday night, you=92re staggering home from a club, it=92s 2:30 you=92ve been drinking since 8pm, you=92ve got a bus loa= d of Sneeeky=92s/Flying Lims and some of SFA staying at your flat and you praise god for the fact that you worked out the tournament schedule on Thursday. Now lets move on a few hours, It=92s 10am you=92ve only been out of bed for half an hour, you=92ve got the biggest hangover in the world, you can=92t remember what the hell you did the night before and you=92ve just found out at the captains meeting that 2 teams haven=92t turned up! there goes all that carefull planning. Not to be phased by the fact that we now had 10 teams instead of 12, a new schedule was quickly put together (cheers Rich) and the games began. The combination of the Wolverhampton spirit and Comic Relief led to the appearance of some new team strips with the Flying Lims donning surgical hats, masks and aprons and The Toffs and The Snobs sporting the latest in designer DJ=92s and bow ties. Saturday saw two pools of 5 playing round robin with some excellent games. The most memorable point of the day had to be when Lardy Lloyd from the Toffs did a behind the back =93set lunch=94 pass to Grandad Giffy leaving Harry and Rich of Chevron to walk back with their heads hanging low in shame after falling for such a dastardly trick. The Blue Arse Flies easily won their pool but the other pool was a closer call with Chevron, Nuns and Flying Lims all tied on 6 points. In keeping with the Wolverhampton tradition Saturday night was party night, after food everybody met up in a town centre pub and then headed to =93Blast Off=94 to boogie till the early hours, after much drinking, dancing and some of the worst jokes in the world (all of you going to Edinburgh watch out for Emma and Susie especially if they say =93...got any carrots?=94). Sunday had a new venue with a huge no walls pitch and saw the bottom two from each pool go into a 4 way round robin with play offs for positions, with the winners getting the spoon. This was won by Nads who just had the edge over the Rejects. The top 6 teams played the three from the opposite group that they hadn=92t played on the Saturday to give a cummulative points total to establish positions 1 - 6, these then played off for final positions. The plate final saw the Nuns beating the Mad Kows with Chevron and Flies (who hadn=92t lost a game) lining up for the final. Both teams wanting to show their form before the Nationals meant we were in for an excellent game. Blue Arse Flies pulled out an early lead but some choice words from Kenny in the Chevron camp saw them lift their heads and pull back level. There was some great play from teams as they traded points to 9-9 at the end of 25 mins, a two point cap was introduced and Chevron took the first point. Not to be out done the Flies came back to make it 10 - 10. The atmosphere was electric as the two teams lined up for the final point with Flies pulling to Chevron, Chevron hucked the disc to the endzone line and called a tactical time out to discuss their options. Unphased, Flies took up their defensive positions and waited for the cuts. Some excellent D meant that Chevron=92s set play was a no go but after much cutting and shouting the disc went up to be caught by Rich for the winning point. A great final to finish off a great weekend that saw some excellent spirit on and off the pitch. The spirit trophy went back to Edinburgh for a third year running being won jointly by Sneeeky=92s and Flying Lims with the final positions as follows; 1 Chevron Action Flash - Trophy 2 Blue Arse Flies 3 The Toffs 4 Flying Lims - joint Spirit 5 Nuns - Plate 6 Mad Kows 7 NADS - Spoon 8 Hot Stamp Rejects 9 The Snobs 10 Sneeeky=92s - joint Spirit Hope you all had as much fun as me, see you next year, Martin The Snobs =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D Rich Parkes | rich@chevronaf.demon.co.uk Chevron Action Flash | 01902-713895 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Mar 20 11:07:03 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id KAA11764; Thu, 20 Mar 1997 10:32:08 GMT Received: from oxmail4.ox.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id KAA11758; Thu, 20 Mar 1997 10:32:05 GMT Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk by oxmail4 with SMTP (PP) with ESMTP; Thu, 20 Mar 1997 10:31:50 +0000 Received: from localhost (immd0001@localhost) by ermine.ox.ac.uk (1.1/8.8.3) with SMTP id KAA23522; Thu, 20 Mar 1997 10:31:50 GMT Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 10:31:49 +0000 (GMT) From: paul meaney Reply-To: paul meaney To: Roger Thomson cc: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Re: Indoor Finals Shmindoor Finals In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19970319164945.0090d640@mail> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Roger, > You seem to have missed Sammy's point completely. The 1v2 is a crunch game, > and therefore players should be allowed time and games to warm up so that > the result better reflects the skills of the teams rather than whose bus > got there first and who was less hungover. ahhhhhh, you're breaking my heart. If you are seeded 1 and 2 in your pool, then you have already demonstrated that you as a team have skill and should therefore finish high up. Consequently in theory (note: in *theory*) it shouldn't matter a toss when you play. If it does, then we are not taking our National Championships at all seriously, are we? And the only "crunch" factor is that you have a slightly easier route to the final if you finish 1. If you finish 2, you still go through. Admittedly you could have a mare against the number 3's but we are talking *in theory* Sammy's other point about saving > the most important games 'til later for suspense and excitement is also a > very good point. agreed. that is valid. But suspense and excitement for who? Spectators? maybe, but I generally wait for semis and quarters to watch. Pool games - well, there are just so *many* of them (wearing my spectator hat, one well worn over the last nine years). The interesting ones are semi's + finals (as I've ususally finished playing by then. Something that yourself as a Shotgunner will have failed over the years to appreciate....) > If your only response to these good points is: > > > If you don't come out firing on > >all cylinders, and then *lose*, it could prove most fascinating. That is my only response becasue of the above points mentioned. However, in view of the overwhelming concern over this I will attempt to get this switched around. > Then I just hope to hell you aren't organising the outdoor nationals! Gadzooks! that smarts! Pass the savlon, I have a cut from that razor wit! oh, btw, I'm not "organising" I'm "co-ordinating". subtle difference. > Scotland knows better huh? And I didn't mean you Scott. Oh dear dear dear dear dear dear DEAR!!! 'Differently' (see my last posting), don't mean 'better', it just means different. As in not the same. Like those new salt'n'vinegar McCoys, are different to the old ones and are better. But I guess the Status Quo must be upheld (and at their age, I'm not surprised.) Paul. //////////////////////////////////\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ ****************************************************************************** Kryten: sir, you must forgive Mr Rimmer, he's suffering from a stress- related nervous disorder Lister: Next time I see him he'll be suffering from a fist- related teeth disorder ****************************************************************************** \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\//////////////////////////////////////////// On Wed, 19 Mar 1997, Roger Thomson wrote: > At 15:26 19/03/97 +0000, PAUL MEANEY wrote: > > Aslo to agree with Scotty, if you are seeded 1, then playing first > >should not affect your peformance at all. > > Paul, > > > > Those 2 points have dictated the way most disc tournaments (and all > important ones) and tournaments in alot of other sports have been run for > along time. > > > > Weren't you expecting my oar? > > Roger > SHOTGUN > > PS. Best of luck to all you indoorers, despite our absence Shotgun hope > that you all have an enjoyable weekend and that someone beats the Druids > (please). > > > From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Mar 20 11:07:57 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id KAA13168; Thu, 20 Mar 1997 10:43:18 GMT From: dmurray@soton.ac.uk Received: from acacia.sucs.soton.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id KAA13156; Thu, 20 Mar 1997 10:43:12 GMT Received: from ash.sucs.soton.ac.uk (ash.sucs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.128.88]) by acacia.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.2/server) with ESMTP id KAA03236 for ; Thu, 20 Mar 1997 10:43:10 GMT Received: (from dmurray@localhost) by ash.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.4/client) id KAA02422 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Thu, 20 Mar 1997 10:43:05 GMT Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 10:43:05 GMT Message-Id: <199703201043.KAA02422@ash.sucs.soton.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Jedi children only X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk sorry I know I am not supposed to do this need to get in touch with jedi children preferably pete cheers dave From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Mar 20 12:13:47 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id LAA21190; Thu, 20 Mar 1997 11:39:40 GMT From: danl@cbarker.co.uk Received: from mailhub by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id LAA21179; Thu, 20 Mar 1997 11:39:36 GMT Received: from cbsmtp.cbarker.co.uk (cbsmtp.cbarker.co.uk [194.207.58.37]) by mailhub (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id LAA15393 for ; Thu, 20 Mar 1997 11:38:50 GMT Received: from ccMail by cbsmtp.cbarker.co.uk (SMTPLINK V2.11) id AA858887575; Thu, 20 Mar 97 11:51:56 GMT Date: Thu, 20 Mar 97 11:51:56 GMT Message-Id: <9702208588.AA858887575@cbsmtp.cbarker.co.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Looking for a club near Romford, Essex - any ideas? Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Mar 20 12:43:51 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id MAA24033; Thu, 20 Mar 1997 12:03:53 GMT Received: from mailer2.lut.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id MAA24017; Thu, 20 Mar 1997 12:03:44 GMT Received: from sun-cc203.lboro.ac.uk [158.125.2.203] (root) by mailer2.lut.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.61 #1) id 0w7gZL-0005lI-00; Thu, 20 Mar 1997 12:03:43 +0000 Received: from focjw by sun-cc203.lboro.ac.uk with local (Exim 1.61 #1) id 0w7gZI-0000eO-00; Thu, 20 Mar 1997 12:03:40 +0000 Subject: CALLING ALL STUDENT TEAMS! To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 12:03:38 +0000 (GMT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: From: CJ White Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Greetings from the Lufbra, the purple-painted centroid of the country.just thought I'd drop everyone a line about the followng subject (which is probably bound to spark a bit of controversy, something which seems so much the norm on britdisc these days, ahem)... A NATIONAL STUDENTS' LEAGUE!!! This idea was presented to me on a rather grubby paper plate the other day by our very own Beardie, a long running team hazer (and ex-smurf) but one of the newer members of the Purple Haze committee. Now before you all reach for your keyboards to fill my mailbox with unmentionables, hear dis... 1) This idea is very much someone else's brainchild for the purpose of which I am being e-mail muppet ("You should see where he's stuffed his hand, fnar!" etc. etc. ad lib to fade). The purpose of this is not to spark off WW3 over britdisc but to get people's (constructive) criticisms and ideas about this. 2) I know that this e-mail has initially been addressed to student clubs but any other bods who have got this far through the e-mail and have anything to add; I would be more than glad to hear from you. So, WHOOMP - here it is, the letter I was given to address you all with [along with my own intermingled, bracketed comments, tee-hee - CW]... "To whoever it may concern, A few days ago I was talking on the phone to Simon Hill about an idea of forming a Midland Student Ultimate League [as you do - CW] and he suggested 'Why exclude the rest of Britain, when you could start a National Students League? [Si, consider yourself well and truly Beardie'd, a feeling I know well - CW] Hmmmmm I thought [more like "Hmmmmm" was the noise his head made when he thought - CW] and accepted the challenge, hence this brief note to invite you to take part. [I assume he means take part in coming up with ideas, what with this just being at the drawing stage and all that - CW] The format of the league is to divide the student teams into thier respective regions of the country, forming regional leagues of between 4 and 6 teams, this reduces travelling time to matches and allows games to be played on my intended time of Wednesday afternoons [YESSIR! Watch out Si, sounds like he's after your job - CW] when other university games are being held. A representative from one of the teams from each region is to stand on a committe to air the views of the teams participating in that regionand toward the national league in general [Hmmm, is this necessary? I'm not sure. Answers on the back of a tenner to Purple Haze HQ please - CW] Teams will play off against one another to ultimately find the national [student league] champion and the positions of all the other teams with respect to each other. Thanks for your support, Mr. B.E Ardie Esq. [Ho Ho! AKA Chris "Beardie, Control-freak, Wardrobe, Stop throwing those b!**&y knives" Hughes of Purple Haze (unfortunately) - CW]" So, there you have it in one giant, genetically engineered nutshell. I am very much of the opinion that this idea has been designed (!!!) to run alongside the usual tournaments etc. and is in no way intended to be a replacement for the current scheme of things. I'm off home for four weeks (being a shirking student-type and all) so I'll look forward to a brimming mailbox and verbal frakkas on Britdisc when I get back. I'm off round the knobbly tree for a dairylea triangle. Happy hucking. Chris "Sinbad" White (Chairman - PURPLE HAZE, Loughborough Ultimate) (e-mail:- C.J.White-95@student.lboro.ac.uk) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Mar 20 14:57:48 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id OAA13068; Thu, 20 Mar 1997 14:28:57 GMT From: Wayne_Retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk Received: from relay2.mail.uk.psi.net by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id OAA13054; Thu, 20 Mar 1997 14:28:46 GMT Received: from sys2.london2.uk.psi.net (sys2.london2.uk.psi.net [154.32.110.6]) by relay2.mail.uk.psi.net (8.8.4/) with ESMTP id OAA26584; Thu, 20 Mar 1997 14:28:33 GMT Received: from rwatson.UUCP by sys2.london2.uk.psi.net (8.8.4/SMI-5.5-UKPSINet) id OAA12622; Thu, 20 Mar 1997 14:20:34 GMT Received: from cc:Mail by rwatson.watsonwyatt.co.uk id AA858895381 Thu, 20 Mar 97 14:03:01 Date: Thu, 20 Mar 97 14:03:01 Message-Id: <9702208588.AA858895381@rwatson.watsonwyatt.co.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk CC: c.hughes1@livjm.ac.uk, oml.omlanbn@mesmtpse.ericsson.se Subject: Re: CALLING ALL STUDENT TEAMS! Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk I've checked some stuff... ...but I still can't beleive... ...there are TWO "Chris Hughes" ? ...they both are associated with Purple (unfortunately) ? ...they have the same mental and physical attributes ? (read the nicknames) Please, tell me it's NOT TRUE!!! Wayne Retter (at work) wayne_retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk Fluid Druids ...realising I'll be on a train for a LONG time tomorrow PS: The one I know is also called "BUF" Big Ugly F***** ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: CALLING ALL STUDENT TEAMS! Author: CJ White at ~Internet Date: 20/03/97 13:33 {stuff about a Student League [nice idea!] deleted} Mr. B.E Ardie Esq. [Ho Ho! AKA Chris "Beardie, Control-freak, Wardrobe, Stop throwing those b!**&y knives" Hughes of Purple Haze (unfortunately) - CW]" From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Mar 20 15:01:14 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id OAA13329; Thu, 20 Mar 1997 14:30:56 GMT Received: from polaris.kbw.co.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id OAA13315; Thu, 20 Mar 1997 14:30:44 GMT Received: from RUKBAT (RUKBAT [194.70.193.70]) by polaris.kbw.co.uk (NTMail 3.02.10) with ESMTP id za005797 for ; Thu, 20 Mar 1997 14:30:26 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970320143456.009483c0@mail> X-Sender: roger@mail X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 14:34:57 +0000 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: Roger Thomson Subject: Re: Indoor Finals Shmindoor Finals Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk At 10:31 20/03/97 +0000, a very acerbic student type wrote: > ahhhhhh, you're breaking my heart. If you are seeded 1 and 2 in >your pool, then you have already demonstrated that you as a team have >skill and should therefore finish high up. Consequently in theory (note: >in *theory*) it shouldn't matter a toss when you play. If it does, then we >are not taking our National Championships at all seriously, are we? >And the only "crunch" factor is that you have a slightly easier route to >the final if you finish 1. If you finish 2, you still go through. >Admittedly you could have a mare against the number 3's but we are talking >*in theory* I think this shows just how little attention Paul must have been paying to tournament formats. These games make big differences and can lead to easy or difficult routes to finals. I don't think that anyone whose been on the scene for long would dispute that. Sammy and I don't agree on much, but we agree on that, as would most other players I think. > Sammy's other point about saving >> the most important games 'til later for suspense and excitement is also a >> very good point. > > agreed. that is valid. But suspense and excitement for who? >Spectators? I think we meant for the players Paul, after all they represent 98% of the people at tournaments - unless you've seen some very large crowds that I haven't. > But I guess the Status Quo must be upheld (and at their age, I'm >not surprised.) At least, despite all your bleating Paul, you've got some common sense. Next time just roll over and save me the trouble of sending so many mails. >//////////////////////////////////\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ \\\ >*************************************************************************** *** >Kryten: sir, you must forgive Mr Rimmer, he's suffering from a stress- >related nervous disorder > >Lister: Next time I see him he'll be suffering from a fist- related teeth >disorder >*************************************************************************** *** >\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\///////////////////////////////////////// /// and now that you've found your common sense I don't think you need my advice about what to do with this signature. Roger SHOTGUN From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Mar 20 15:42:51 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id PAA19763; Thu, 20 Mar 1997 15:12:02 GMT Received: from kestrel.mcg.gla.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id PAA19747; Thu, 20 Mar 1997 15:11:50 GMT Received: from mcg1.mcg.gla.ac.uk by kestrel.mcg.gla.ac.uk (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id PAA14926; Thu, 20 Mar 1997 15:01:03 GMT Received: from MCG1/SpoolDir by mcg1.mcg.gla.ac.uk (Mercury 1.21); 20 Mar 97 15:11:49 +1100 Received: from SpoolDir by MCG1 (Mercury 1.21); 20 Mar 97 15:11:47 +1100 From: "David Grayson" Organization: Multimedia Communications Group To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 15:11:40 gmt+1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: CALLING ALL STUDENT TEAMS! X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.40) Message-ID: <43243E0B20@mcg1.mcg.gla.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk A national student league. As usual there are certain pros and cons to this idea. Lets start with the positive. 1. More student ultimate. 2. Likely to stimulate more new players. We have certainly struggled to get newcomers to travel to tournaments - almost always involving going down the M6 (except Swindon where we got lost on the A1 while being smart but that's another story). They would probably be more willing to give up one day rather than a whole weekend. 3. May produce more student teams as BUSF may publicise the results. 4. Would almost certainly give clubs more credibility within their University/college/poly (are there any of these left? - oops getting political). I know Glasgow can't come to terms with the idea of tournaments rather than a Scottish league. This would give them what they are used to, showing Ultimate to be a sport like any other. But there is of course a downside (more a list of questions, really) 1. The ultimate scene is unique at the moment and based a lot on the tournament scene. How would people feel about travelling for two hours to play a two hour game (which could be over quickly in some mismatch cases) followed by a 2 hour trip back (I know there would be the pub as well but the basic idea remains the same). 2. This would be an extra strain on finances, would this decrease student participation in open tourneys? Not to mention time - the card is already very full for this year - play would increase to weekends and midweek games, there could be a significant effect on the number of degrees got by ultimate players (we already have conclusive proof that a trip to Dublin is the difference between a psychology first and a 2:1). And when do we practice? 3. Weather. What time of year are we talking about. Will this be an indoor or an outdoor league? If, as I'm sure the majority will want, an outdoor league is preferenced then when do we play it? Obviously in Glasgow it will be the rainy season but which one? Will teams be willing to play outdoor matches in winter? Or do we have an outdoor (autumn) and an indoor (winter) league? 4. What happens to the Student Championships. Do these get replaced by the playoffs or are they additional - a cup competition if you like? I'm sure others will come up with more points. I am actually quite receptive to the principle of this - I think it could at least be worth a try but probably requires a fair bit of thought. Dave. Mud Culture. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A man may fight for many things. His country, his principles, his friends. The glistening tear on the cheek of a golden child. But personally, I'd mud wrestle my own mother for a ton of cash, an amusing clock and a sack of french porn. - Edmund Blackadder: Duel and Duality. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Mar 20 16:48:02 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id QAA28712; Thu, 20 Mar 1997 16:19:32 GMT Received: from oxmail4.ox.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id QAA28700; Thu, 20 Mar 1997 16:19:27 GMT Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk by oxmail4 with SMTP (PP) with ESMTP; Thu, 20 Mar 1997 16:19:21 +0000 Received: from localhost (immd0001@localhost) by ermine.ox.ac.uk (1.1/8.8.3) with SMTP id QAA14338; Thu, 20 Mar 1997 16:19:16 GMT Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 16:19:16 +0000 (GMT) From: paul meaney To: Roger Thomson cc: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Welease Woger!!!! A Wesponse to that Wuffian... In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19970320143456.009483c0@mail> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Right Sonny Jim, First off I said: > >And the only "crunch" factor is that you have a slightly easier route to > >the final if you finish 1. If you finish 2, you still go through. Roger said: > tournament formats. These games make big differences and can lead to easy > or difficult routes to finals. I don't think that anyone whose been on the hmmmm......gee....is it me or are they both the same argument. And I seem to remeber that I put forward that argument for saying it doesn't matter who, as number one team, you play. Thanks for backing me up Rog. You're a pal. Now I then went on to say something along the lines of: these games are exciting for who, Spectators? Roger replied: > I think we meant for the players Paul, after all they represent 98% of the > people at tournaments - unless you've seen some very large crowds that I > haven't. Well knock me over with a feather duster. So by your accounts rog, when we finish playing we don't watch any other games, we just get on with the next match. I think you'll find that next time you are at a tournament, If you bother taking your head out from where the sun does not shine, you will find that there are people dotted around the sides of the field. They will inevitably be attired in frisbee gear. Well lo and behold, if they are not players SPECTATING! Duh, engage brain before opening mouth, please. NOW before you say "Well...that's what I mean't, PLAYERS!", here'a something else for you to (try) and think about these sort of pool matches are tense and exciting ONLY FOR THE PEOPLE INVOLVED IN PLAYING IT!!! I only watch such pool games if (a) I'm not playing (b) it directly affects my pool and (c) if it's a really close game between a top team (eg yoursleves) and a underdog- ish team (druids/UTI). Other than that I save it for the semis/ final, where there is a crowd, Roger. You know it's like every other player there watching? About a hundred or so people. Or are you too wrapped up in your own self importance to notice? Now you could argue that that's not the case, that people lurve watching shotgun play 'cause they are sooooo good.So the 1 v 2 must be late on so everyone can come and watch the best 'at it'. Well, after a few years, people wise up you know. And after nine yeasr of watching gun/ Hombres regularly dumping on people (with the honorable exception of Boleros and reggies), people go and watch other interesting games > At least, despite all your bleating Paul, you've got some common sense. > Next time just roll over and save me the trouble of sending so many mails. tush tush Roger, no need to be down right abusive. As you will have noticed I have already taken care of that. I'll end this with a couple of points: (1) how do you know I bleat? have you been skulking around my bedroom? that noise is from a nice little video I purchased from a guy in london. (2) so you want me to roll over....well I had no idea you were that way inclined. Do you want me to cover myself in oil as well? (3) ahh, poor love, he sent two mails and that's two too many. (4) I've got a hell of a lot of common sense thank you very much. (5) you are not going to the indoors so what is your problem? right now I would be worried about how badly you are going to get crapped on by the US at the worlds (6) you have now fully endorsed my opinion that 'Gun is basically Druids with 'O' levels. (7) I am quite happy to trade cheaop shots with you as long as you wish to keep this up. But if you want to engage me in a flak war you will lose, becasue I don't give a (insert appropriate word). So for the sake of Britdisc - I suggest you back off. (8) the schedule is being changed. come and have a go if you think that you are hard enough, I believe that is how that quaint english drinking song goes. Paul. //////////////////////////////////\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ ****************************************************************************** Kryten: sir, you must forgive Mr Rimmer, he's suffering from a stress- related nervous disorder Lister: Next time I see him he'll be suffering from a fist- related teeth disorder ****************************************************************************** \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\//////////////////////////////////////////// On Thu, 20 Mar 1997, Roger Thomson wrote: > At 10:31 20/03/97 +0000, a very acerbic student type wrote: > > > ahhhhhh, you're breaking my heart. If you are seeded 1 and 2 in > >your pool, then you have already demonstrated that you as a team have > >skill and should therefore finish high up. Consequently in theory (note: > >in *theory*) it shouldn't matter a toss when you play. If it does, then we > >are not taking our National Championships at all seriously, are we? > >Admittedly you could have a mare against the number 3's but we are talking > >*in theory* > > I think this shows just how little attention Paul must have been paying to > scene for long would dispute that. Sammy and I don't agree on much, but we > agree on that, as would most other players I think. > > > Sammy's other point about saving > >> the most important games 'til later for suspense and excitement is also a > >> very good point. > > > > > > But I guess the Status Quo must be upheld (and at their age, I'm > >not surprised.) > > > >//////////////////////////////////\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ > \\\ > >*************************************************************************** > *** > >Kryten: sir, you must forgive Mr Rimmer, he's suffering from a stress- > >related nervous disorder > > > >Lister: Next time I see him he'll be suffering from a fist- related teeth > >disorder > >*************************************************************************** > *** > >\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\///////////////////////////////////////// > /// > > and now that you've found your common sense I don't think you need my > advice about what to do with this signature. > > Roger > SHOTGUN > From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Mar 20 16:49:55 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id QAA28300; Thu, 20 Mar 1997 16:16:03 GMT Received: from renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id QAA28295; Thu, 20 Mar 1997 16:15:59 GMT Received: from arran.sms.ed.ac.uk (arran.sms.ed.ac.uk [129.215.141.2]) by renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk (8.6.13/8.6.12) with ESMTP id QAA28070 for ; Thu, 20 Mar 1997 16:15:58 GMT Received: from SMS-ARRAN/SpoolDir by arran.sms.ed.ac.uk (Mercury 1.21); 20 Mar 97 16:13:55 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by SMS-ARRAN (Mercury 1.21); 20 Mar 97 16:13:46 +0000 From: "James McDonald" <9361247@arran.sms.ed.ac.uk> Organization: Student Mail Service To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 16:13:37 +0000 Subject: Student league X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <9F808140796@arran.sms.ed.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk I've got to agree with David's thoughts. Whilst the idea of a league, which would put us on a par with other uni sports, is attractive, there are certain problems which must be addressed. Speaking from a Sneeeky's perspective, the distances involved in travelling for an afternoon's ultimate, in Scotland at least, are a lot greater, which could pose both money and time problems for students. Possibly this could be remedied by a series of 1day mini-tournaments during weekends, at which all the teams taking part in the region are present. This has been done by Sneeeky's informally for a couple of years now, and has been relatively successful. The added bonus of having small localised tournaments, is that beginners who might not relish the idea of being cramped in a mini-bus for 9 hours, get to play in a friendly, competitive environment, which isn't too menacing and is fairly close to home. Awaiting further comments, Jim Sneeeky's Jim McDonald (j.c.mcdonald@sms.ed.ac.uk) "Time's fun when you're having flies" -Kermit- From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Mar 20 17:31:37 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id RAA04597; Thu, 20 Mar 1997 17:00:06 GMT Received: from gcsin1.gecm.com by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id QAA04151; Thu, 20 Mar 1997 16:56:29 GMT Received: from gcsin3.geccs.gecm.com by gcsin1.gecm.com; (5.65/1.1.8.2/13Mar95-0121PM) id AA00189; Thu, 20 Mar 1997 16:51:17 GMT Received: from gcschm.geccs.gecm.com by gcsin3.geccs.gecm.com; (5.65/1.1.8.2/13Mar95-1139AM) id AA22581; Thu, 20 Mar 1997 15:37:27 GMT Alternate-Recipient: prohibited Disclose-Recipients: prohibited Content-Return: prohibited Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 15:37:31 +0000 (GMT) From: Giles Stoddard 0181 420 3845 Subject: Boots To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Message-Id: <8531371520031997/A03779/PLANET/11B3A3E51F00*@MHS> Autoforwarded: false Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Importance: normal Ua-Content-Id: 11B3A3E51F00 X400-Mts-Identifier: [;8531371520031997/A03779/PLANET] Hop-Count: 2 Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Dear All, I am going to buy a new pair of boots for outdoors. I had a look in t= wo shops at Cica Blades and one shop said the Red ones were mud runners = and the Gold were grass runners, whilst the other shop said the Red ones were grass runners and the Gold were mud runners. Who is right? They looked similar to me so I'm fairly confused. (Just the "Mud runners" were =A310 more, in both shops!) What about the Reebok Pit Bulls that Wayne mentioned a while ago? How much and how do you rate them. What shoes would you all recommend?= =20 Cheers for the advice, Giles. Giles.Stoddard@gecm.com From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Mar 20 18:06:37 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id RAA10803; Thu, 20 Mar 1997 17:42:57 GMT Received: from mailer2.lut.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id RAA10791; Thu, 20 Mar 1997 17:42:55 GMT Received: from sun-cc203.lboro.ac.uk [158.125.2.203] (root) by mailer2.lut.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.61 #1) id 0w7lrY-00077l-00; Thu, 20 Mar 1997 17:42:52 +0000 Received: from entjs by sun-cc203.lboro.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.61 #1) id 0w7lrY-0002f4-00; Thu, 20 Mar 1997 17:42:52 +0000 Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 17:42:51 +0000 (GMT) From: The Spice Boy X-Sender: entjs@sun-cc203 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Hull teams! Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi all... Does anyone know of an Ultimate team in Hull? I am moving there and would really like to know! If not, are there any players there interested in starting a team? Mail me...I am fascinated! Tim Shearer (Purple Haze, Loughborough) P.S. Student league sounds like a flippin' diamond idea to me! From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Mar 20 18:59:04 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id SAA17452; Thu, 20 Mar 1997 18:31:42 GMT Received: from renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id SAA17443; Thu, 20 Mar 1997 18:31:38 GMT Received: from arran.sms.ed.ac.uk (arran.sms.ed.ac.uk [129.215.141.2]) by renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk (8.6.13/8.6.12) with ESMTP id SAA06106; Thu, 20 Mar 1997 18:31:36 GMT Received: from SMS-ARRAN/SpoolDir by arran.sms.ed.ac.uk (Mercury 1.21); 20 Mar 97 18:29:33 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by SMS-ARRAN (Mercury 1.21); 20 Mar 97 18:29:26 +0000 From: "Runrunrunboingwheeecrunchouch!" <8944852@arran.sms.ed.ac.uk> Organization: Student Mail Service To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk, Roger Thomson Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 18:29:17 +0000 Subject: Re: Indoor Finals Shmindoor Finals X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <9FA4B147258@arran.sms.ed.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Dear Roger, et al > Paul, > You seem to have missed Sammy's point completely. The 1v2 is a crunch game, > and therefore players should be allowed time and games to warm up so that > the result better reflects the skills of the teams rather than whose bus > got there first and who was less hungover. Sorry, but this is utter rhubarb. The level of readiness of the top two teams is going to be roughly the same whatever time they play (surely this is a central part of being a "top team"?). Next you'll be suggesting that the critical cross-over games that usually occur on Sunday mornings (indoors and out, Roger) should be postponed till mid-afternoon!! Looking forward to showing you Southern jessies how we party on home turf... Leo SNEEEKY'S From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Mar 20 20:22:22 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id TAA25970; Thu, 20 Mar 1997 19:56:21 GMT Received: from polaris.kbw.co.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id TAA25963; Thu, 20 Mar 1997 19:56:12 GMT Received: from RUKBAT (RUKBAT [194.70.193.70]) by polaris.kbw.co.uk (NTMail 3.02.10) with ESMTP id da005827 for ; Thu, 20 Mar 1997 19:55:47 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970320200016.00948930@mail> X-Sender: roger@mail X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 20:00:17 +0000 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: Roger Thomson Subject: Abuse of mailing lists and threats Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Dear all, Don't I seem to have set him off! Apologies to those uninterested or those who haven't been following my and PAUL MEANEY's postings. Read no further. Firstly let me tell you that not only was I pretty shocked at reading Paul's latest posting ( the one including 'come and have a go if you think that you are hard enough') but I was pretty surprised that he didn't send me it personally rather than expose everyone else to this. Now I know that I'm often sharp and strong-minded in the things I say on Britdisc, and I'm more than willing to accept my fair share of flak - live by the sword, die by the sword and all that, but I don't like getting abusive and threatening mails, like this one Paul sent along as well: >Roger , > > I've kept this one to ourselves. Just to politely say that if you >ever tell me to fucking 'just roll over' on a public forum like britdisc >I'll not be amused. Understand me sonny? Where's the spirit in that? How am I supposed to face this man if I were ever to play against him on an Ultimate field? It's especiall y sinister since I have no idea who he is or what team he plays for, yet he obviously knows me. I think Paul will find that it was him who escalated the posts with: 'ahhhhhh, you're breaking my heart.'; 'Gadzooks! that smarts! Pass the savlon, I have a cut from that razor wit! '; and 'Oh dear dear dear dear dear dear DEAR!!!'; all postings in his usual abrasive style which was commented on by Sammy several posts ago and which we have all had to endure ever since Paul got his hands on some reins of power. If he also concedes the point about the schedule - which he has done (and unfortunately not gracefully), then I think a retort to the above insulting language was more than called for and in keeping with the retributory spirit which Paul himself condones. I think we need to carefully consider what has gone on here and learn some lessons for the future. The internet, mailing lists etc CAN have serious consequences. You may only have read about it before, but I think from the tone in the mail that Paul sent me you can all see what potential there is for things to go wrong. If people are mature, sensible, and have a sense of humour there are far fewer risks (I remember flaming Bud quite seriously and him flaming me back - but I think he'd agree we still get on pretty well whenever we see each other), but as broadcast media like this list become more widely applicable we have to be more careful. Do we need any new guidelines? Informational posting only? It would be a shame, but if it will help prevent others from getting physically threatened (which is how I feel) then it may well be worth it. As for 'Come and have a go if you think that you are hard enough' and the rest of the insults in Paul's appalling email - baah, it really is beneath contempt and I just hope for his sake that he doesn't intend to pursue any of his threats from behind his veil of anonymity. Anyway, I'm going home. Roger SLIGHTLY SADDER GUNNER THAN EARLIER TODAY. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Mar 20 21:07:21 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id UAA29060; Thu, 20 Mar 1997 20:33:25 GMT Received: from relay-7.mail.demon.net by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id UAA29056; Thu, 20 Mar 1997 20:33:22 GMT Received: from stures.demon.co.uk ([194.222.19.95]) by relay-6.mail.demon.net id aa0620471; 20 Mar 97 19:20 GMT X-Sender: (Unverified) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 19:23:37 +0000 To: paul meaney From: Max Keogh Subject: Re: Welease Woger!!!! A Wesponse to that Wuffian... Cc: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Message-ID: <858885654.0620471.0@stures.demon.co.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Paul, Will you please sod off and stop sending all this crap to britdisc. I, and I'm sure I'm not alone, am fed up to the back teeth of your petty opinions being distributed to all and sundry. If you've got a problem with Roger's opinion, ask for his telephone number and give him a call to discuss it, or e-mail him directly. A lot of us in the real world subscribe to britdisc for informatiopn about disc events, etc so we know what's happening, or for the odd informative debate and do not need or want you're typographical dysentry about your personal opinions. I'm sick and tired of seeing your name in my in tray. It's your kind of crap that may just turn a few people away from britdisc which would be a shame. If you want to e-mail me directly go ahead, I'll trash it. Max Stan From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Mar 21 10:42:16 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id KAA02716; Fri, 21 Mar 1997 10:14:44 GMT Received: from oxmail4.ox.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id KAA02707; Fri, 21 Mar 1997 10:14:42 GMT Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk by oxmail4 with SMTP (PP) with ESMTP; Fri, 21 Mar 1997 10:14:38 +0000 Received: from localhost (immd0001@localhost) by ermine.ox.ac.uk (1.1/8.8.3) with SMTP id KAA07029 for ; Fri, 21 Mar 1997 10:14:38 GMT Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 10:14:37 +0000 (GMT) From: paul meaney Reply-To: paul meaney To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: An Apology Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk To all on Britdisc, I would like to publicly apologise to all who read the shameful and childish exchange between myself and Mr Thopmson yesterday (thursday 20th March, 1998). As DoC I should expect criticisms and should, as someone in a position of responsibility, respond to them objectively and maturely. I felt however that Mr Thopmsons comments were directed at me personally and were malicious, arrogant and insulting, especially when posted to a public forum such as Britdisc and not sent as a private mail. I felt that such comments crossed the line of public debate and became simply slanderous. Mr Thopmson questioned my ability to run the National Outdoor Finals. I wish to point out that Simon Hill is the *official* Director of Competitions and as such will be either co- ordinating or running the outdoor Championships. I am simply the *acting* Indoor DoC for this year. I wish also to publicly apologise to Mr Thompson for the personal mail I sent him yesterday, which was gratuitous and offensive, but was personal and not directed at him in public. I do not apologise, however, to Mr Thompson for any comments I made about him yesterday on BritDisc. I have never been a top level player for the degree of time that Mr Thompson has, but I have been a spectator for over nine years, so I have a pretty good idea of what I am talking about Again I wish to apologise to all. I should not have been provoked in this way. Certainly by someone who is not attending the championships, as his team did not wish to qualify, but also by someone who has no vested interest in the way British Indoor Ultimate is organised, as his team have stated, on this forum and in other ways, their contempt for the indoor game. To all attending Edinburgh, a safe journey. Sincerely, Paul Meaney, Acting Indoor Director of Competitions //////////////////////////////////\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ ****************************************************************************** Kryten: sir, you must forgive Mr Rimmer, he's suffering from a stress- related nervous disorder Lister: Next time I see him he'll be suffering from a fist- related teeth disorder ****************************************************************************** \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\//////////////////////////////////////////// From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Mar 21 11:13:23 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id KAA06174; Fri, 21 Mar 1997 10:45:17 GMT From: dmurray@soton.ac.uk Received: from acacia.sucs.soton.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id KAA06170; Fri, 21 Mar 1997 10:45:15 GMT Received: from ash.sucs.soton.ac.uk (ash.sucs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.128.88]) by acacia.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.2/server) with ESMTP id KAA09641 for ; Fri, 21 Mar 1997 10:45:13 GMT Received: (from dmurray@localhost) by ash.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.4/client) id KAA11423 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Fri, 21 Mar 1997 10:45:09 GMT Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 10:45:09 GMT Message-Id: <199703211045.KAA11423@ash.sucs.soton.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: student league X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk I am not totally sure what people have alreday said on this matter I got fed up with all the handbags and decided just to delete all my britdisc mail. anyway just to say think student league is a great idea enforces a bit what happens informally already alot think it helps ultimates image with the rest of university sport by bringing it in line with the sort of BUSA fixtures From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Mar 21 11:14:48 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id KAA06425; Fri, 21 Mar 1997 10:47:14 GMT Received: from clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id KAA06415; Fri, 21 Mar 1997 10:47:12 GMT Received: from renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id KAA15317; Fri, 21 Mar 1997 10:47:05 GMT Received: from mull.sms.ed.ac.uk (mull.sms.ed.ac.uk [129.215.141.1]) by renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk (8.6.13/8.6.12) with ESMTP id KAA29183 for ; Fri, 21 Mar 1997 10:47:04 GMT Received: from SMS-MULL/SpoolDir by mull.sms.ed.ac.uk (Mercury 1.21); 21 Mar 97 10:42:39 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by SMS-MULL (Mercury 1.21); 21 Mar 97 10:42:24 +0000 From: "BARRY O'KANE" <9363680@mull.sms.ed.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 10:42:24 +0000 Subject: Re: This weekend X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk HI all, > Again I wish to apologise to all. I should not have been provoked > in this way. Certainly by someone who is not attending the > championships, as his team did not wish to qualify, but also by someone > who has no vested interest in the way British Indoor Ultimate is > organised, as his team have stated, on this forum and in other ways, their > contempt for the indoor game. > Thank you Paul. I hope that we can all now concentrate on having a good weekend rather then squabbling over fairly minor scheduling points (which I feel I must point out were not solely Pauls fault as I was involved in drawing up the schedule too). BARRY PS Any teams that miss the pub tonight can phone me to find accomadition (who needs sleep anyway?) 0131 667 7264 From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Mar 21 11:35:00 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id LAA08843; Fri, 21 Mar 1997 11:06:47 GMT Received: from black.csi.cam.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id LAA08838; Fri, 21 Mar 1997 11:06:45 GMT Received: from [131.111.99.201] [131.111.99.217] by black.csi.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.58 #1) id 0w829g-00057J-00; Fri, 21 Mar 1997 11:06:43 +0000 X-Sender: ms223@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 11:13:06 +0100 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: ms223@cam.ac.uk (Mindy Sobota) Subject: Spare us please Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Doesn't anyone have anything better to do than bash their egos together in public? Your hormones are clogging my mailbox. Luke Walden Strange Blue >-`o_ o~~~ Only Connect. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Mar 21 13:16:27 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id MAA20921; Fri, 21 Mar 1997 12:40:43 GMT Received: from relay-11.mail.demon.net by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id MAA20909; Fri, 21 Mar 1997 12:40:37 GMT Received: from stures.demon.co.uk ([194.222.19.95]) by relay-10.mail.demon.net id aa1024476; 21 Mar 97 12:10 GMT X-Sender: (Unverified) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 12:13:33 +0000 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: Max Keogh Subject: Thanks Paul Message-ID: <858946248.1024476.0@stures.demon.co.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Thanks for doing that. It takes a lot to publicly apologise. I think we all appreciate it. To keep the mood light I thought I should share something with you all that tickled me. I heard a great motto recently. "Before you criticise a man you should walk a mile in his shoes. You'll be a mile away, AND you'll have his shoes." To all going to Edinburgh, have a good time. Indoors is just for fun anyway, isn't it? Well it is for me. (Please don't flame me on this). See you all in Hitchin. Max Stan From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Mar 21 13:34:58 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id KAA07683; Fri, 21 Mar 1997 10:57:35 GMT Received: from dub-img-2.compuserve.com by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id KAA07669; Fri, 21 Mar 1997 10:57:31 GMT Received: by dub-img-2.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id FAA26119; Fri, 21 Mar 1997 05:57:00 -0500 Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 04:38:01 -0500 From: Ian Peter Stebbing <106040.3441@compuserve.com> Subject: Nuff Said To: Britdisc Message-ID: <199703210557_MC2-12E5-C8A2@compuserve.com> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk All Whilst I agree completely with the sentiments of Roger's last email and Max's and do not in any way wish to bring all that up again I must enquire on one thing Paul said: (6) you have now fully endorsed my opinion that 'Gun is basically Druids with 'O' levels. This is very harsh on 'Gun as just because we almost all have degrees (some doctorates) I have never felt that they were particularly intellectually inferior, of course its only my opinion. As for 1 v 2, its often the second team that suffers because they are usually in more need of the warm up games to get into their stride and do themselves justice. I know its been changed so please don't write telling me I already know. Ian S Druids From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Mar 21 15:04:39 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id OAA05550; Fri, 21 Mar 1997 14:40:51 GMT Received: from curlew.cs.man.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id OAA05540; Fri, 21 Mar 1997 14:40:49 GMT Received: from fs4.eng.man.ac.uk by curlew.cs.man.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Fri, 21 Mar 1997 14:35:56 +0000 Received: from MAN-ENG-FS4/MAILQUEUE by fs4.eng.man.ac.uk (Mercury 1.21); 21 Mar 97 14:38:42 GMT Received: from MAILQUEUE by MAN-ENG-FS4 (Mercury 1.21); 21 Mar 97 14:38:17 GMT From: "I.T.Cuddihy" To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 14:38:16 GMT Subject: Student League Ultimate X-mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.31 Message-ID: Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Dear All, I read all these posts about a student league with interest, as I plan to be a student for as long as they'll let me (beats bloody working for a living). However I do have a few questions and comments about the format it might take. For instance, if it were to take the form of regions who send their top teams to a "national finals"-type event, do we not in effect create a more drawn out version of the championship system already in place? The only forseeable difference I can tell is that we would be taking what are now the "regional qualifier" pool games and playing them on Wednesday afternoons instead of Saturday mornings. However, having had some (frustrating) dealings with my own Athletic Union, I realise that I may be missing the point entirely. This Wednesday afternoon scenario may be something more along the lines of what BUSA (British Universities Sports something-or-other) would like. Formal recognition (or whatever it is they do) from BUSA may open up oportunities for Ultimate to take off at Uni's where the Athletic Unions are run by the Rugby/Hockey/Football gang who think that playing another sport is tantamount to treason. As many of today's players were first introduced to Ultimate at Uni (or if not then by someone who was), then this could have some long term effects on the game. Anyway at the moment it's all hypothetical, so I may have wasted some of your time and like all good students I'm sure you're all off home now for a few weeks of snoozing in front of the telly like me. (Apologies to all non-students who will spend most of the next few weeks at work-- rather you than me friends)Therefore the debate will probably grind to a halt for a while. Cheers from the North, Ian, Fingers 6 From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Mar 21 16:45:56 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id QAA19694; Fri, 21 Mar 1997 16:16:12 GMT Received: from iraun1.ira.uka.de by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id QAA19682; Fri, 21 Mar 1997 16:16:06 GMT Received: from 129.13.2.181 (actually i02mac181.ira.uka.de) by iraun1 with SMTP (PP); Fri, 21 Mar 1997 17:14:42 +0000 Message-ID: <3332B46F.100D@ira.uka.de> Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 17:16:47 +0100 From: Thomas Griesbaum Reply-To: thgries@ira.uka.de Organization: University of Karlsruhe X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: EuroDisc@ira.uka.de, ultimate@doe.carleton.ca, britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Announcing International Ultimate Student Tournament Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Please pass on the following information to any team you think could be interested in coming, especially those who do not have access to the Internet. Also, consider publishing it in your national news letter. Thomas thgries@ira.uka.de ---------------------- The Ultimate-Frisbee Team "Gummibears" together with the Sports Office of the University of Karlsruhe, Germany, wishes to invite your students Ultimate team to the 1. International Ultimate Frisbee Student Tournament of the University Karlsruhe ================================================================================ Organisation: Hochschulsport der Universitaet Karlsruhe, Abteilung Frisbee Date: 7./8. June 1997 Location: Karlsruhe, Germany (Southwest Germany, in the Rhine valley) Place: stadium of the university (institute of sports) Eligibilty: only students and employees of your university Fees: Team fee: DM 100.- must be paid 4 weeks prior to the tournament (in order to save on bank fees foreign teams may pay on arrival in Karlsruhe) Player fee: DM 15.- per person (includes accomodation, breakfast, party Saturday night) Registration dead line: 2. May 1997 (max. 24 teams ) Accomodation & breakfast: In your sleeping bag in a gym (ca. 200 places) or in your tent right next to the fields Saturday and Sunday breakfast at the fields Catering: Salad and beverages at the fields On Saturday it is possible to get spaghetti with 4 different sauces (DM 8.-) To be reserved together with your registration ! Liability: The organiser refuses any kind of liability for injury and damage. More info and registration: Thomas Griesbaum or Claus Schunk Briegerstr. 8 Gartenstrasse 10 76139 Karlsruhe 76133 Karlsruhe Germany Germany phone: +49-721-67698 (home) +49-721-378843 (home) +49-721-608 4001 (work) Fax: +49-721-9683568 (home) +49-721-697760 (work) E-Mail: thgries@ira.uka.de ui69@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de answering machine 24h: +49-721-9683568 We will also set up a web page at http://www.ira.uka.de/~thgries/disc/termin_descr/ist.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Please print the registration form below, fill out and send to one of the registration addresses. ---------------- cut here --------------------------------------------- Registration form for the 1. International Student Tournament of the University Karlsruhe Send to: Thomas Griesbaum or Claus Schunk Briegerstr. 8 Gartenstrasse 10 76139 Karlsruhe 76133 Karlsruhe Germany Germany Fax: +49-721-9683568 (home) +49-721-697760 (work) We want to come !!! Name of our university: Name of our team: Number of players: Number of persons, who want spaghetti on saturday evening (at DM 8.- per person): Address of our university: Address of our main contact person (one of our players): Name | Street | Zip code/City | Country | | Phone | Fax | E-Mail | Comments: From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Mar 21 16:47:23 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id QAA19107; Fri, 21 Mar 1997 16:12:04 GMT Received: from relay-11.mail.demon.net by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id QAA19090; Fri, 21 Mar 1997 16:11:58 GMT Received: from stures.demon.co.uk ([194.222.19.95]) by relay-10.mail.demon.net id aa1018127; 21 Mar 97 14:43 GMT X-Sender: (Unverified) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 14:46:43 +0000 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: Max Keogh Subject: World Ultimate Magazine?? Message-ID: <858955437.1018127.0@stures.demon.co.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Has anyone subscribed to World Ultimate Magazine and if so, is it any good? Max Stan From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sun Mar 23 07:58:03 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id HAA22677; Sun, 23 Mar 1997 07:33:30 GMT Received: from utrecht.knoware.nl by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id HAA22666; Sun, 23 Mar 1997 07:33:24 GMT Received: from [193.78.121.5] (mac-5.knoware.nl [193.78.121.5]) by utrecht.knoware.nl (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id IAA02416; Sun, 23 Mar 1997 08:25:35 +0100 X-Sender: mikeocon@pop.knoware.nl Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 23 Mar 1997 08:31:28 +0100 To: frisbee@win.tue.nl From: mikeocon@knoware.nl (Dulcimer Disc Sport / Baseball School) Subject: vandalisme; Nedereindse Plas Cc: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk, WileyField@aol.com, ebba@knoware.nl, eherber@xs4all.nl, coolstuff@shell.liberty.com, bomer.j@applelink.apple.com, m.lankveld@chat.cebeco.nl Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Beste friends, romans and countrymen, This morning, early, I was surprised to find the tee marker on hole one of the three-hole Nedereindse Plas DiscGolf Parcours as well as the object-pole #2 missing. When I first walked there this morning, I turned back to first go get the Herald Tribune after hearing from across the parking lot coming from a parked car a driving beat, very unlike the Beatles. Thinking it was just some folks busy with getting ready for the big event nine months from now I didn't take much notice other than to notice it was a gray or lite green sedan, sort of like a mercedes shape but it wasn't a mercedes. After buying the newspaper and leaving a copy of the March 12 sport's page article about out 8 March tournament for the Carla , the sales manager, who gave me a couple of prizes for the tournament ("door de plaatselijke middenstand"), I returned to the course to find these changes. Luckily I was able to find the #2 pole-object. It had been carefully placed on the other side of the hill that hides the A2 from the course (or vice-versa) in plain view of the Shell station and right in the remains of the wall that had been removed from the Plas when they realized the water wasn't circulating well enough because of it. I replaced it and then walked to the building where I keep the loaner discs and portable pole-holes when not in use. It was then I noticed the #1 Tee marker missing. After a search of the 200 meters surrounding, during which I found a place where a car had emptied their ashtray along with several Heineken cans ( curious was that there were a lot white pieces of something fluffy that seemed to be as if the paper surrounding the filter had been removed?), I began to think that here was situation that could be called 'vandalism'. Unfortunately pages 421-524 have been removed from my Oxford Minidictionary ( from 1981 Clarendon Press) so I cannot elaborate on vandalism but from all the talk about it somehow it comes to me that this is what the word is used for. On the walk home and now typing this while my family sleeps in on a Sunday morning I'm thinking of not only replacing the tee marker with more than just the piece of wood I found lying about nearby but calling the local 'law and order' folks to report this 'outrage' to the local golfing community. Well maybe outrage is a little exaggerated, they did leave the 1 meter plastic 'lint' so players can still 'tee-off' today ( althought the cloudy conditions do not forespell a large turnout today). But as John Lennon once wrote, 'what to do is not the only problem' and 'here was a problem to be reckoned with'. Which police to I call? City of Nieuwegein of course as technically the Plas is in the Nieuwegein boundary even if I did enter the park from the IJsselstein entrance. When my double disc court ropes disappeared in much the same fashion I did nothign but write a note on a sign where they were last seen asking for their return To date this has not helped aand influences my decision to take a different course of action. Perhaps a note in the local newspaper: Missing: #1 Tee from local DIscGolf parcours at the Nedereindse Plas. First noticed Sunday morning @ 6:30 uur. Its a pole-form tee approximately 80 cm protruding from the ground and 80 cm thick, painted partially with Formido's Indian Red paint and written on it in Sea Green ; Par 3, Dogleg, 74 meter. If you have information of its whereabouts or the person(s) that are responsible for this 'vandalism' please call the Course Pro at 688 1711 or email to which he may not be able to read because of the backup of junkmail so better . At 50 cents a word, I don't think so...nevertheless, good morning and I'll be trying to set my mind on next weeks tournament in Namur and April 12th in Nijmegen. Dag! love and regards, Mike p.s. dreaming of this course being included in the British DiscGolf Association ( BDGA) tour also helps take my mind away from this 'tacky' crime; thinking of finally playing a round of golf with Ed "not Mark" Wiley who once played a Klingon Ambassador in the 'Mind's Eye' episode of Star Trek also helps; skipping rope 140 times in 30 seconds which "Rikky" tells me is possible helps; and then there's rereading Kyle Burk's beatalic graphospasms...; of course wondering if Apple Computers in Bunnik will ever contact me with regards to the best procedure to make fl.500 worth of frisbees appear with their name and our name appearing prominently to raise funds for 'serious' tee markers for the course helps considerably; and then there's the zeeland discgolfers, will they ever come for a second round on an 'established' disc golf course? dag, dag! --- Dulcimer Disc Sport, Kite-Flying, Rope-Jumping, Academic ( Sentient) Baseball School Ijsselsteinse Disctivity Center, Nedereindse Plas, Provincie Utrecht The Netherlands correspondence address: Zwedenstraat 3 3402 TG Ijsselstein The Netherlands tel 31 0 30 688 1711 (first 0 not needed from outside Holland) email disctivity@aol.com (Dulcimer DiscSport Team) internet http://utopia.knoware.nl /users/mikeocon http://194.151.44.241/Mike/index.html From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sun Mar 23 17:19:15 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id QAA26763; Sun, 23 Mar 1997 16:57:09 GMT Received: from utrecht.knoware.nl by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id QAA26752; Sun, 23 Mar 1997 16:57:04 GMT Received: from [193.78.121.7] (mac-7.knoware.nl [193.78.121.7]) by utrecht.knoware.nl (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA17476; Sun, 23 Mar 1997 17:55:38 +0100 X-Sender: mikeocon@pop.knoware.nl Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Sun, 23 Mar 1997 18:01:28 +0100 To: frisbee@win.tue.nl From: mikeocon@knoware.nl (Dulcimer Disc Sport / Baseball School) Subject: 1989 SanDiego DiscGolf Rules Cc: afn12826@freenet.ufl.edu, avair@mindspring.com, web415@charweb.org, britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Heres something for those interested in the history and development of the rules of DiscGolf: San Diego DiscGolf Rules {copied from the back of @1989 Morley Field Scorecard- course pro: "Snapper" Pierson} 1. No talking when a player is throwing 2. No movement or walking closer than 10 metrs to the throwing player. 3. Player furthest away from the hole always throws first. 4. Tee-off order in 1st tee is determined by the scorecard. 5. Tee-off order on all other tees is determined by the score on the previous hole, lowest score throws first. If the last hole was a tie, count back as far as needed. 6. Don't throw until you're certain your disc landing will not distract another player. 7. Each player is allowed a maximum of 30 seconds to make a throw after the playing area is cleared or previous player has thrown. For the 1st infraction, the player will be warned by fellow players or the judge. The 2nd infraction will cost the player a one-throw penalty. If all three opponents agree or it was called by a PDGA judge. 8. Each player is required to carry a DISCtinct marker disc individually marked to identify the player ( a mini is recommended). 9. After tee-off, the thrown disc is always left on the lie ( where it landed). The marker disc is placed on the ground directly in front of and touching the thrown disc. The thrown disc is then picked up. The marker disc may not be touched 'til the throw is completed. 10. All subsequent throws are made with the closest foot to the line of the flight planted behind and as close to touching the marker disc as possible 11. Accurate foot placement on lies and tees will be required and violators will be warned the 1st time by any member of the foursome or a PDGA judge with all members being made aware of the warning. Any subsequent infraction witnessed by 2 other members of the foursome or a PDGA judge will result in an automatic one-throw penalty. 12. If a run-up is used on the fairway, the plant foot must be as close to touching the marker disc as possible. The folow through can carry past the marker disc. 13. A follow through is not allowed within 10 meters of the hole. 14. While putting, any throw from 10 meters or less, both feet must remain in exactly the same position after the throw. A falling putt or a follow through is illegal. The penalty is one warning per round. The warning can be made by any player in the foursome or by an official. When it is made, all players in the foursome should be made aware of it. After the warning, a one throw penalty will be assessed by all three members of the foursome or by a PDGA judge. All violations where the disc stayed in the Disc Pole Hole will be thrown over including warnings by the judge or three members of the foursome. 15. A lie in a tree over 2 meters from the ground is an automatic one throw penalty and is to be played at a spot as directly under the lie as possible and no closer to the hole. Place thrown disc on ground, place marker disc and recover thrown disc. 16. Out of bounds. One throw for out of bounds-one throw penalty- disc is brought in to bounds no closer to the hole than the point where it left the course.. The player is now throwing three (3) plus throws where the infraction occurred. 17. Running and standing water- 12 throw in- 1 throw penalty and disc is moved in a line directly away from the hole to the first dry land. Place marker disc at a location indicated by PDGA judge or location agreeable to the other members of the foursome. A. Casual water will not be considered standing water if it is generally less than 1/2 inch deep. B. If disc is in a lake it will be played from the shore like an out of bounds throw. 18. If anyone throws a practice throw at anytime after the start of each round and prior to his last putt he will be automatically charged a one throw penalty ( throw must be observed by 2 members of the foursome or a PDGA judge). 19. PDGA play requires each player to be responsible for the accurate addition of his own scorecard. If he missed on the high side his score stands. If the mistake was on the low side he is automatically disqualified from the tournament. 20. All scorecards must be signed by all players and scorekeeper prior to turning in to officials. 21. No modified discs allowed ( i.e. placing the outer ring of a 40 mold inside a 100 mold, taping weights, etc.). Monday night is wiffle=A9ball night at the Plas ! with regards, Mike --- Dulcimer Disc Sport, Kite-Flying, Rope-Jumping, Academic ( Sentient) Baseball School Ijsselsteinse Disctivity Center, Nedereindse Plas, Provincie Utrecht The Netherlands correspondence address: Zwedenstraat 3 3402 TG Ijsselstein The Netherlands tel 31 0 30 688 1711 (first 0 not needed from outside Holland) email disctivity@aol.com (Dulcimer DiscSport Team) internet http://utopia.knoware.nl /users/mikeocon http://194.151.44.241/Mike/index.html =20 From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sun Mar 23 18:26:03 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id SAA01553; Sun, 23 Mar 1997 18:05:09 GMT Received: from relay-11.mail.demon.net by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id SAA01547; Sun, 23 Mar 1997 18:05:06 GMT Received: from dreamer.demon.co.uk ([158.152.82.103]) by relay-11.mail.demon.net id aa1121270; 23 Mar 97 17:44 GMT Message-ID: <2Km0eHAXuWNzEw7r@dreamer.demon.co.uk> Date: Sun, 23 Mar 1997 17:42:47 +0000 To: BritDisc From: Neil Travers Subject: Druids win National Indoors MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Version 3.00 <9LvMyIrZW1syYThDYB4CQEgY34> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Druids 15 - 10 UTI I wasn't there, but that won't stop me claiming that it was obviously an easy win. :-) I'll let one of the others (Colin?) write a better(?) report when they get back. -- Neil Travers - home Fluid Druids From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Mar 24 08:12:58 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id HAA01940; Mon, 24 Mar 1997 07:48:18 GMT Received: from crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id HAA01933; Mon, 24 Mar 1997 07:48:16 GMT Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 07:48:15 GMT From: Mr R C Doswell Message-Id: <12524.199703240748@crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Received: by crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk id HAA12524; Mon, 24 Mar 1997 07:48:15 GMT To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: BUF Events Reminder Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk British Ultimate Federation Disc Events Diary --------------------------------------------- March 1997 ---------- Saturday 29 March 1997 Dublin Ultimate Tourny (2 days) @ Trinity College (Santry fields), Dublin, IE April 1997 ---------- Saturday 5 April 1997 BUF Tour I (2 days) @ Hitchin Sunday 13 April 1997 GB Open & Women Team practices (1 day) @ Witney Saturday 19 April 1997 BUF Tour II : Leicester Outdoors (2 days) @ Victoria Park, Leicester St Andrews Indoor Tournament (2 days) @ St Andrews Saturday 26 April 1997 Student Outdoors (2 days) @ Southampton May 1997 -------- Saturday 3 May 1997 BUF National Junior Outdoors (2 days) @ TBC Freezzz Beezzz 5th International Outdoor Ultimate Tournament (2 days) (Non-UK event) @ Brugge, BE Sunday 4 May 1997 GB Open Team practice (1 day) @ Warwick Saturday 17 May 1997 Nottingham Outdoors (2 days) @ Nottingham Saturday 24 May 1997 GB Open Team practice (2 days) @ London (Note may be Sat/Sun OR Sun/Mon) Saturday 31 May 1997 BUF Tour III (2 days) @ Swindon June 1997 --------- Saturday 7 June 1997 Red Co-ed Outdoors (2 days) @ Countesthorpe, Leicester Sunday 15 June 1997 GB Open Team practice (1 day) @ TBA Saturday 21 June 1997 BUF Tour IV : Southampton Outdoors (2 days) @ Southampton July 1997 --------- Saturday 5 July 1997 BUF Tour V (2 days) @ Double Locks, Exeter Friday 11 July 1997 Warwick Bears 21st Reunion (3 days) TBC @ University of Warwick Sunday 13 July 1997 GB Open Team practice (1 day) @ TBA (Warwick?) Sunday 27 July 1997 World Ultimate Club Championships (WUCC'97) (7 days) (Non-UK event) @ Vancouver, CA August 1997 ----------- Sunday 10 August 1997 GB Open Team practice (1 day) @ TBA Saturday 16 August 1997 Ross-on-Wye (2 days) TBC @ Ross-On-Wye! Saturday 23 August 1997 1997 BDGA Championships (2 days) (Non-Ultimate) TBC Sunday 24 August 1997 EFDF European Ultimate Championships (7 days) @ Millfield School, Street, Somerset, UK September 1997 -------------- Thursday 11 September 1997 British Open (4 days) Saturday 27 September 1997 BUF National Finals (outdoor) (2 days) @ Time is running out for anyone interested in hosting this! October 1997 ------------ Saturday 25 October 1997 BUF Regional Championships (3 REGIONS) (2 days) @ ***TDs required*** (date is flexible) --------------------------------------------------------------- British Ultimate Federation Disc Events Diary http://www.csv.warwick.ac.uk:5201/cgi-bin/diary Ranulf Doswell, ralf@dcs.warwick.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Mar 24 09:52:28 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id JAA10654; Mon, 24 Mar 1997 09:27:04 GMT Received: from hplb.hpl.hp.com by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id JAA10629; Mon, 24 Mar 1997 09:26:49 GMT Received: from hpqm0500.sqf.hp.com by hplb.hpl.hp.com; Mon, 24 Mar 1997 09:26:36 GMT Received: by hpqm0500.sqf.hp.com (1.37.109.20/15.5+ECS 3.4 ) id AA290265594; Mon, 24 Mar 1997 09:26:34 GMT From: Chris Burden Message-Id: <199703240926.AA290265594@hpqm0500.sqf.hp.com> Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 09:26:34 +0000 (GMT) To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Indoor Nationals Report X-Mailer: Ishmail 1.2.2-960610-hp Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi Folks, This is just a quick thing, put together very late last night. Sections Covered; * The Halls * The Schedule * The Party * Medical Staff * Accommodation * Results * Lost Property * Media Coverage * ...and finally The National Indoor Ultimate Championships Edinburgh 1997 __________________________________________ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ I will start with the overall opinion of the tournament - very good venue, well run tournament, attended by well behaved, hard playing players ! The Halls -------- The halls (all 3 of them) were of good size. All halls were big enough to have no walls, all be it a few metres in hall 2 & 3. Hall 1 was big and full seating for all spectators. Big pitch and high roof. The Schedule ------------ I think we have read enough about this to guess that things were not going to be straight forward for this weekend. However,to at least my surprise there appeared to very little in the way complaints about pools, seeding and who had to play their first games on Sunday morning. IMHO I think Paul and Barry did a damn fine job under difficult conditions. I even heard a rumor that as many as 10 qualifying teams from the regionals pulled out of the Finals with little if any notice - not paying or coming up with any more of an excuse than "..it's too far !". I guess these teams will never be seen in Europe. Another credit to TD Barry and his most excellent staff is that ALL games in ALL halls ran to time ALL weekend - even the on Sunday morning. The Party --------- The look of joy on folks faces as they came through the door of the party was obvious. To find this party was a challenge. To say it was out of the way was a certain understatement. The St. James center was built in the mid-seventies when concrete walls were cheap. Despite all this, most of the players turned up to bop and drink. Northern drinking laws will need a bit more practice, since a lot of folks were sloping off around midnight, long before closing time. Medical Staff ------------- This tournament, and I think many players did not realise this, had some of the best medical cover that any national tournament (In or Outdoors) has had in a long time. Both Mr Fizzy (Mike) and Doctor Leo were on call all weekend with their own fully equipped medical center, complete with ice, strapping and aspirins. These guys did a great job as a couple of players will certainly verify. The worst tournament related injury (and there were very few because of the no-walls thingy) was by Dillup from the Lurkers. I don't have the full story, but it had something to do with aggressive and unnecessary floor contact. This resulted in 3 broken fingers in his right hand. Accommodation ------------ I went home to my bed an all nights so I am not in a position to say much. Folks stayed in a range of places from hotels, B&B, YMCA to the faithful floors, although I did hear some folks actually got beds ! I am sure someone will fill in some more of the details here. Results ------- Enough of this descriptive stuff, lets get some numbers down for all you analytics out there. I don't have much and it's from memory, which does not work any more. Spoon Winners - Sneeeky's 3rd - Stan 2nd - UTI 1st - Druids The finals were tight at the start but then the Druids, using their VAST years of experience pushed ahead to win 15-9. Spirit of the Game - PICNIC (all the way from Plymouth !!! - We (Sneeeky's) did this trip a few years ago, but the other way and it IS a LONG way !). To gauge just how spirited everyone played, there were in fact 14 different teams voted for, even the Druids ! More results will appear on the Sneeeky's home page very soon. Lost Property ------------- Yes, if you were there, you probably did lose something. You ALWAYS lose something when you go to a tournament, you should know that by now. I am sure Barry or someone will post a list or a contact soon. Media Coverage -------------- We made the local free papers on page 17 with the heading "Radical spinners in town". You can guess the tone of the article (about 200 words). Actually not that bad. Hopefully text will appear on Sneeeky's WEB site soon. Also some of the finals were filmed for TV. For those into this sort of thing there will be about 2-3 minutes as follows; Channel 65 Sky Scottish Monday 24th (today !) @ 6.15 pm (you can get this channel all over Europe, if you subscribe) Photographs from the weekend will appear soon on the Sneeeky's WEB site later this week. If you have any photos you wish to be shown here, contact Barry. ...and finally -------------- This was a very, very good tournament that I and Sneeeky's hope all those that attended, had a good time ? We certainly did !!! Thank you for coming. More results to follow very soon....go see; http://www.ed.ac.uk/~ultimate/ ________________ ~ -- __ ~ /) ((__(___|____)__)) (\ - --- _~~ / ) ( \ ~~ ___ _( (_ _ _ _) )_ .. . . (((\ \> /_> <_\ ; Mon, 24 Mar 1997 13:24:02 GMT Message-ID: <1997032413205774146@zetnet.co.uk> Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 13:20:57 GMT To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: Toby Green X-Mailer: ZIMACS Version 1.09z3 10003244 Subject: Hello, Toby Green's wired again Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hello everyone, Just a short note to let everyone know that I am now wired again. New details below. Toby -- TOBY GREEN 74 Old High Street, Headington, Oxford OX3 9HW, UK +44 1865 69789 (tel) PLEASE NOTE NEW FAX NUMBER +44 1865 437714 t.green@zetnet.co.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Mar 24 14:04:44 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id NAA15172; Mon, 24 Mar 1997 13:38:19 GMT Received: from venus.le.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id NAA15166; Mon, 24 Mar 1997 13:38:17 GMT Received: from hawk.le.ac.uk by venus.le.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Mon, 24 Mar 1997 13:36:14 +0000 Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 13:36:11 +0000 (GMT) From: Scott X-Sender: iws1@hawk To: britdisc Subject: Re: canadian infiltration (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Dear BDers, Can you help this person out - NOTE replies to Art, not to me please! On Sat, 22 Mar 1997 23:56:57 -0800, W_ A_ Hawkins wrote: >Hi. My name is Art. I am a player in the Vancouver Ultimate League, a >member of the Farm Accidents. I am old, slow and bald. My specialties >include taking too long to warm up (thus missing the first 5 points of a >game), throwing away the disc at every opportunity, and expecting my >teammates to pick up my defensive coverage when I am too lazy to try! > >Lo and behold, I'm going to be in London from March 31 to April 6. I'd >love to play in a pick-up game, and expose my talents to a net set of >un-believers. Could you send me any contact names or addresses? > >My e-mail: lsivan@axionet.com > >Thanks. > >Swillingly yours, > >ART > From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Mar 24 14:23:26 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id OAA18559; Mon, 24 Mar 1997 14:02:42 GMT Received: from renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id OAA18549; Mon, 24 Mar 1997 14:02:40 GMT Received: from mull.sms.ed.ac.uk (mull.sms.ed.ac.uk [129.215.141.1]) by renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk (8.6.13/8.6.12) with ESMTP id OAA05017 for ; Mon, 24 Mar 1997 14:02:39 GMT Received: from SMS-MULL/SpoolDir by mull.sms.ed.ac.uk (Mercury 1.21); 24 Mar 97 13:58:02 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by SMS-MULL (Mercury 1.21); 24 Mar 97 13:57:53 +0000 From: "BARRY O'KANE" <9363680@mull.sms.ed.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 13:57:50 +0000 Subject: National Indoor Results X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk The results for the weekend are: 1) Druids 2) UTI 3) Stan 4) Shrub 5) Chevron Action Flash 1 6) Blue Arse Flies 7) Red 8) Zebedees 9) Phat Eds (PLATE) 10) Bears 11) Flying Sorcerers 12) Mythago 13) Slow White 14) Dynamo Hamsters 15) Lurkers 16) Strange Blue 17) Sneeekys (SPOON) 18) Angels 19) Picnic - SPIRIT 20) Chaos 21) Chevron Action Flash 2 22) Superfly 23) Mud Culture 24) Village People. Congratulations to everyone that came up and we hope you went away happy. Chris has already posted a report so I won't repeat what he's already said. I just want to thank everyone that helped out this weekend (esp Paul, Jonnie, Chris, Emma, Susy, Ian and Emily - and many more for that matter); and heres to more tournaments in Edinburgh! See you all soon, BARRY PS Full results/reports will be available on the web soon. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Mar 24 16:48:46 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id QAA09596; Mon, 24 Mar 1997 16:20:10 GMT Received: from calisto.ccc.cranfield.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id QAA09586; Mon, 24 Mar 1997 16:20:07 GMT Received: from CAP101.PC.CRANFIELD.AC.UK by calisto with SMTP (PP); Mon, 24 Mar 1997 16:16:57 +0000 Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 16:18:06 GMT From: Aaron Altman Subject: Re: Indoor Nationals Report To: British Disc Discussion Group Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk > IS a LONG way !). To gauge just how spirited everyone played, there > were in fact 14 different teams voted for, even the Druids ! > I guess you were allowed to vote for yourself this year, huh? Aaron From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Mar 24 16:59:14 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id QAA11751; Mon, 24 Mar 1997 16:33:09 GMT Received: from exub.ex.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id QAA11747; Mon, 24 Mar 1997 16:33:07 GMT Received: from cen.ex.ac.uk [144.173.6.1] by exub via ESMTP (QAA15328); Mon, 24 Mar 1997 16:33:04 GMT Received: from sc221 [144.173.86.221] by cen via SMTP (QAA27473); Mon, 24 Mar 1997 16:33:01 GMT Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 16:36:03 GMT From: nicki Subject: Exeter Hat tourny. To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Greetings fellow playmates!! Great news!! Uriel are hoping to hold the legendary Hat tourny at double locks on 14th-15th June. This is of course on the basis that people are not going to be too knackered from the Tour tournaments to turn up. A fantastic time is guaranteed, with the chance to "get to know" fellow players from other teams!!! (and there'll probably be a fair amount of sunshine too). For those who don't know, entry is on an individual basis and we then create teams of roughly equal standard from the people who are there, thus you play in entirely new teams and get to know loads of new players. All standards are welcome from beginner to pro. Cost will be approx Ł5 per head. Formal invitiations will be sent out in a couple of weeks but at the moment we are trying to get an idea of the level of interest so if interested parties could sent an e-mail to the following address giving an idea of how many of their friends they are bringing it would be most appreciated: Nicola.C.Smith@ex.ac.uk. Hopefully I've just subscribed to Britdisc so my address should be up there, but I'm never certain of these technology things. The contact address is Nicki Smith 66 Oxford Road St James Exeter EX4 6QX (01392 496950) This is different to the official address whcih was posted at the beginning of the year but it owuld be helpful if correspondance re the Hat which is not on e-mail could go to this address. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Mar 24 17:04:30 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id QAA12516; Mon, 24 Mar 1997 16:38:07 GMT Received: from hplb.hpl.hp.com by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id QAA12477; Mon, 24 Mar 1997 16:38:02 GMT Received: from hpqm0500.sqf.hp.com by hplb.hpl.hp.com; Mon, 24 Mar 1997 16:38:00 GMT Received: by hpqm0500.sqf.hp.com (1.37.109.20/15.5+ECS 3.4 ) id AA025071479; Mon, 24 Mar 1997 16:37:59 GMT From: Chris Burden Message-Id: <199703241637.AA025071479@hpqm0500.sqf.hp.com> Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 16:37:59 +0000 (GMT) To: A.Altman@cranfield.ac.uk Cc: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Re[2]: Indoor Nationals Report In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Ishmail 1.2.2-960610-hp Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Aaron Altman wrote: > > > > IS a LONG way !). To gauge just how spirited everyone played, there > > were in fact 14 different teams voted for, even the Druids ! > > > > I guess you were allowed to vote for yourself this year, huh? > > Aaron > > Wonders will never cease ! The vote was not from your own team, and that is all I can say on the matter. ________________ ~ -- __ ~ /) ((__(___|____)__)) (\ - --- _~~ / ) ( \ ~~ ___ _( (_ _ _ _) )_ .. . . (((\ \> /_> <_\ ; Mon, 24 Mar 1997 16:58:49 -0000 Message-ID: From: Neil Cooper To: "'britdisc'" Subject: Re[3]:Indoors National Report Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 16:58:47 -0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.993.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Aaron Altman wrote: > > > > IS a LONG way !). To gauge just how spirited everyone played, there > > were in fact 14 different teams voted for, even the Druids ! > > > > I guess you were allowed to vote for yourself this year, huh? > > Aaron > > Wonders will never cease ! The vote was not from your own team, and that is all I can say on the matter. --------------------------- Well it wasn't us ......... (Only 22 to go ...) :-> Thanks to all for a great tourney ....... Coops (Slow White #88) (Only using that as an excuse to post the second instalment in the Star Wars trilogy - requested at the weekend) The Empire Strikes Back 10. "I thought that hairy beast would be the end of me." 9. "Size matters not. Judge me by my size, do you?" 8. "There's an awful lot of moisture in here." 7. "But now we must eat. Cum, good food, cumm..." 6. "That's okay, I'd like to keep it on manual control for a while." 5. "Hurry up, golden-rod..." 4. "I must've hit it pretty close to the mark to get her all riled up like that, huh kid?" 3. "Possible he came in through the south entrance." 2. "And I thought they smelled bad on the outside!" 1. "Control, control! You must learn control!" From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Mar 24 17:36:09 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id RAA18224; Mon, 24 Mar 1997 17:13:31 GMT Received: from dns0.curved-logic.com by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id RAA18205; Mon, 24 Mar 1997 17:13:26 GMT Received: from pc15.curved-logic.com by dns0.curved-logic.com id aa05771; 24 Mar 97 18:16 GMT Received: by pc15.curved-logic.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BC3875.23B62540@pc15.curved-logic.com>; Mon, 24 Mar 1997 17:02:22 -0000 Message-ID: <01BC3875.23B62540@pc15.curved-logic.com> From: Kevin Lowe To: "'Britdisc'" Subject: National Junior Outdoors Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 17:02:20 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi, Just a quick email to see if there are any juniors out there that = haven't received an invite to the National Junior Outdoors, taking place = on May 3rd/4th in Gosport, Hampshire. Cost is 50 pounds a team, with priority going to the first 16 teams to = pay. It's very possible that we will have more than 16 wanting to play, = so I suggest you enter soon. If there are any juniors (or you know of any juniors) that haven't got a = team to play for, please get in touch with me, and I'll try to sort out = a team for them.=20 PS. Don't go to the Exeter Hat. You get sun-burnt, hung-over, or end up = in casualty with a broken arm (or all three if your name's Kevin).=20 Kevin (Nursing a damaged knee from playing Disc Golf on Saturday - yes I = know I'd even break something playing tiddlywinks). --=20 | E-mail Kev@Curved-logic.com Phone (+44)1244-382371 | Silence is better than unmeaning words - Pythagoras From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Mar 24 21:34:21 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id VAA13563; Mon, 24 Mar 1997 21:13:18 GMT Received: from dira.bris.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id VAA13553; Mon, 24 Mar 1997 21:13:15 GMT Received: from mail.bris.ac.uk by dira.bris.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Mon, 24 Mar 1997 21:12:50 +0000 Received: from Bristol (ts1-p4.bris.ac.uk [137.222.1.4]) by mail.bris.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA12445 for ; Mon, 24 Mar 1997 21:09:26 GMT From: Rob Cole Reply-To: Rob Cole To: Brit Disk Subject: Stuff Message-ID: Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 21:06:03 -0800 () X-Mailer: Simeon for Win32 Version 4.0.7 X-Authentication: none MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk This contains 4 parts, so just read what you want. Parts are: 1) National Indoors (not a whinge) 2) Spirit at the above (a whinge) 3) Student league. 1) National Indoors This is just another thanks to Barry and all of the Sneeky's that helped put on the tournie. I am very glad that we made the trek up north, just driving around Edinburgh on Friday night was testament to that. No complaints from Mythago, just a big 'Good Work Fellas'. 2) Spirit at the Nationals. On the whole this was excellent, as far as play went. However, with some teams that's about as far as it went. 2 teams spring to mind, let's call them Blue and Tract (Unirary) Infection (TUI). The games were good spirited, well, apart from 1, no prizes for guessing who it was against, and it wasn't the second team mentioned. However it was in the all important after game back/hand slapping that it all went to pot. In my view this is one of the most important parts of the game, as it gives the teams a chance to talk over the game, chat about dodgy calls, apologise and so on. The calls also help heal any wounds. So imagine how we felt after a farilt poor spirited game when Blue's call was 'We're blu and we don't call'. Hello? How crap is that. If you can't come up with a call, fine, 3 cheers (which TUI resorted to, after claiming that they were breaking tradition by not having a call and then being put to shame by our call) will do, or even worse the Hokey Kokey (my first ever call, sniff...). I just think that it is very sad that teams in a national competition are so poor spirited. I know that the games are close, and some close calls can be made, but spirit should still rule, we are not Americans after all. An example is our first game on Sunday, to go into either the 9-12 or 13-16 placings, against Dynamo Hamsters. This was such a close game, ending 7-6 us after one of our players called himself in in the zone, and a Hamster wasn't so sure, but being nice guys they gave it to us. Spirit was upheld and everyone felt better for it. After playing Blue we felt crap, not because we lost, but the way that the game was played. I think I would rather lose a well spirited game than win a poor spirited one. Anyway, these teams know who they are, so please do something about it, if not for me or my team, for Ultimate in this country. Right, whinge Over. 3) Student League. Great idea, as students seem to be excluded from the Ultim8 league and National Outdoor championships this year due to the event timings (Don't respond to this please, it is old ground, has already been covered, and I don't want to start people off again...). I remember talking to Uriel, Picnic and Skunks about it a long time ago, but being the disorganised sort, I promptly forgot all about it. IMNERHO the easiest way would be to have a mini tournament in say 4 or 8 regions, and then playoffs for the league champions, and then finals. You could even combine the latter 2 at one tournie I suppose. I'm sure that you could get some British University Sports Association (BUSA) recognition for this, as it is similar to the league system that they run for evey other sport. The National Student Outdoors should stay as it is, as this is the chance for teams to get together and play teams that they wouldn't normally play in the league, ie teams from up North, sown South, out East and West, a true National Championship. Anyway, just a humble captains thoughts, replies to any of the above, particulary the spirit part are very welcome, ---------------------- Rob Cole #7, "The Guv'nor", Mythago Captain, 1996-7 me3101@bris.ac.uk http://www.fen.bris.ac.uk/students/me3101 From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Mar 25 10:24:38 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id KAA20288; Tue, 25 Mar 1997 10:02:45 GMT Received: from ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id KAA20271; Tue, 25 Mar 1997 10:02:39 GMT Received: from caj1.arch.cam.ac.uk [131.111.34.20] by ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.61 #3) id 0w9T3s-0003so-00; Tue, 25 Mar 1997 10:02:36 +0000 Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 10:06:59 GMT From: "Dora A. Kemp" To: "Rob Cole" , "Brit Disk" Subject: Re: Stuff X-Mailer: Mulberry [1.0.1, s/n #10001] X-Authenticated: dak12 by imap.cus.cam.ac.uk X-Licensed-To: University of Cambridge MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi all Rob Cole wrote: > The calls also help heal any wounds. So imagine how we felt > after a farilt poor spirited game when Blue's call was 'We're blu and we > don't call'. Hello? How crap is that. To stop any wild speculation, 'Blue' is not Strange Blue and I know that for sure because 1) we never played Mythago and 2) we would never say something like that. Dora Kemp Strange Blue Whatever does good should be held in honour, and the only shame is in doing harm. - Plato McDonald Institute for Archaeological Research Downing Street, Cambridge, England, CB2 3ER (01223) 339336; (01223) 333536 (FAX)/(01223) 339285; dak12@cam.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Mar 25 10:26:07 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id KAA20983; Tue, 25 Mar 1997 10:08:58 GMT Received: from mail.rmplc.net by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id KAA20968; Tue, 25 Mar 1997 10:08:51 GMT Received: from acotgreave.rmplc.net ([172.16.27.34]) by mail.rmplc.net (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA01419 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 1997 10:08:51 GMT Message-Id: <199703251008.KAA01419@mail.rmplc.net> From: "Andy Cotgreave" To: "Britdisc" Subject: Fw: World Ultimate Club Championships 1997 Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 10:07:11 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hello all, In case anyone wants to go to the Worlds, but not as a player, the organisers are still looking ofr volunteers: > If you know anyone who is interested in volunteering, no matter which area, > please don't hesitate to ask them to contact us through the Worlds > internet page at http://www.portal/~wucc97/index.html. They can also reach > Scott Lewis ( Volunteer Director ) directly through e-mail at slewis@sfu.ca > or Rob Mandeville ( Volunteer Crew Chief ) at rmande@axionet.com. > Andy C From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Mar 25 10:39:46 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id KAA22046; Tue, 25 Mar 1997 10:17:34 GMT From: pbennison@csksoftware.com Received: from quay by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id KAA22027; Tue, 25 Mar 1997 10:17:22 GMT Received: from Tfs by quay with smtp (Aix Smail3.1.29.1 #2) id m0w9THd-0001KfC; Tue, 25 Mar 97 10:16 GMT Message-Id: Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 10:10:21 +0000 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Dublin tournie attendees - confirmations, please MIME-version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: TFS Gateway /222000000/222030473/222002635/222082120/ Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi ho, Can you please let us know how many/if you are coming? =20 Specifically, we need to know: Team name Are you a full team? (i.e. do you need pick up players? If so, say 'no') Number of players that are coming Name of the hostel/B&B that you are staying at. I know a few of you have sent me e-mails, revising how many people are=20 probably coming. Even if you have, can you send the above info. I'm afrai= d=20 my inbox is a little clogged! To cut down on e-mail volume, I will forward you information about the deta= ils=20 of the tournament, when you send in your confirmation notice, Thanks, Peter Pookas, Dublin Ultimate. Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id MAA07591; Tue, 25 Mar 1997 12:09:40 GMT Received: from vulcan by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id MAA07571; Tue, 25 Mar 1997 12:09:30 GMT Received: from hawk.le.ac.uk by vulcan with SMTP (PP); Tue, 25 Mar 1997 12:07:27 +0000 Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 12:07:18 +0000 (GMT) From: Scott X-Sender: iws1@hawk To: britdisc Subject: Re: Stuff In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk > 2) Spirit at the Nationals. > > On the whole this was excellent, as far as play went. However, with some > teams that's about as far as it went. 2 teams spring to mind, let's call > them Blue and Tract (Unirary) Infection (TUI). The games were good > spirited, well, apart from 1, no prizes for guessing who it was against, I think the team that you are talking about is Red (not to be confussed with Strange Blue as Dora mentions). > and it wasn't the second team mentioned. However it was in the all > important after game back/hand slapping that it all went to pot. In my > view this is one of the most important parts of the game, as it gives the > teams a chance to talk over the game, chat about dodgy calls, apologise > and so on. The calls also help heal any wounds. Forgive us for having different view of what the spirit is about! To us the spirit of the game is about what happens on the field of play not the after game performances. As far as dodgy calls go, dispute them. I don't recall having any dodgy calls in the game personally, but we are a team that believes that spirit means calling fouls, not-ins when there has been a clear breach - sometimes this is unpopular but is certainly not against the spirit of the game. We wouldn't ever do anything to bring into question the spirit. One of the most comon breeches of spirit that I see all the time is people who land on the line or not in and then start celebrating their point whilst the player who has just spotted the not-in and made the call takes it back (incorrectly) in the face of the celebrations. This player has wrongly assumed that making the call is bad spirited. Psychologically this is the hardest call to make and peoples perception of the spirit (as you demonstrate) feeds on this - and you call that the spirit? As for the end of game call - I say each to their own. Ours have got worse and worse and we prefer to spend our long journies planning strategies rather than calls. Genuine apologies tho for our spokes person whose manner of delivery leaves a lot to be desired, needless to say we didn't let him talk again! Scott Red and proud of it - Up the revolution /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ SCOTT: Ian Scotland Tel: 0116 2525824 Fax: 0116 2523154 E-mail: iws1@le.ac.uk http://wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk/buf/ /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id NAA18071; Tue, 25 Mar 1997 13:27:07 GMT Received: from goole.octacon.co.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id NAA18061; Tue, 25 Mar 1997 13:27:00 GMT Received: from mailgate.pantek.co.uk (post.pantek.co.uk [194.176.73.2]) by goole.octacon.co.uk (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA08651 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 1997 13:27:02 GMT Received: by mailgate.pantek.co.uk with NT SMTP Gateway ver 31 id <3337D28F@mailgate.pantek.co.uk>; Tue, 25 Mar 97 13:26:39 G From: "Williams, Mark" To: "'britdisc'" Subject: Re: Stuff Date: Tue, 25 Mar 97 13:18:00 G Message-ID: <3337D28F@mailgate.pantek.co.uk> X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk I would like to echo Scotts sentiments, we also played Red at the weekend in what was a closely (and fairly) contested game. Red scored a "point" with 1 minute to go but one of our players called a stall-out, Red accepted this and consequently we scored to win the game, I know, your thinking this is not the first time that Chevron has done this (in fact this is fast becoming our favourite play!!) but my point is about the spirit the Red players showed in accepting the call. After the game Duncan made a speech and "We're Red we don't call" was stated but that doesn't mean the spirit wasn't there, the calls in the game were talked about and Red and Chevron exchanged congratulations. Sorry Rob but I cannot see your reasoning behind thinking that Red are bad spirited just because they can't think of an entertaining call, but then I don't know what happened in the game or in the get together afterwards - just trying to put another teams perspective on the matter. Mark chevron ---------- >From: britdisc-owner >To: britdisc >Subject: Re: Stuff >Date: 25 March 1997 12:07 > >Return-Path: >Received: from goole.octacon.co.uk by mailgate.pantek.co.uk id > <3337CB79@mailgate.pantek.co.uk>; Tue, 25 Mar 97 12:56:25 G >Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (daemon@pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk > [137.205.192.19]) by goole.octacon.co.uk (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id > MAA07132 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 1997 12:56:46 GMT >Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id MAA07591; Tue, 25 Mar 1997 12:09:40 > GMT >Received: from vulcan by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id MAA07571; Tue, > 25 Mar 1997 12:09:30 GMT >Received: from hawk.le.ac.uk by vulcan with SMTP (PP); Tue, 25 Mar 1997 > 12:07:27 +0000 >Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 12:07:18 +0000 (GMT) >From: Scott >X-Sender: iws1@hawk >To: britdisc >Subject: Re: Stuff >In-Reply-To: >Message-ID: >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII >Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk >Precedence: bulk >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- > > >> 2) Spirit at the Nationals. >> >> On the whole this was excellent, as far as play went. However, with some >> teams that's about as far as it went. 2 teams spring to mind, let's call >> them Blue and Tract (Unirary) Infection (TUI). The games were good >> spirited, well, apart from 1, no prizes for guessing who it was against, > >I think the team that you are talking about is Red (not to be confussed >with Strange Blue as Dora mentions). > >> and it wasn't the second team mentioned. However it was in the all >> important after game back/hand slapping that it all went to pot. In my >> view this is one of the most important parts of the game, as it gives the >> teams a chance to talk over the game, chat about dodgy calls, apologise >> and so on. The calls also help heal any wounds. > >Forgive us for having different view of what the spirit is about! To us >the spirit of the game is about what happens on the field of play not the >after game performances. As far as dodgy calls go, dispute them. I >don't recall having any dodgy calls in the game personally, but we are a >team that believes that spirit means calling fouls, not-ins when there >has been a clear breach - sometimes this is unpopular but is certainly >not against the spirit of the game. We wouldn't ever do anything to >bring into question the spirit. One of the most comon breeches of spirit >that I see all the time is people who land on the line or not in and then >start celebrating their point whilst the player who has just spotted the >not-in and made the call takes it back (incorrectly) in the face of the >celebrations. This player has wrongly assumed that making the call is >bad spirited. Psychologically this is the hardest call to make and >peoples perception of the spirit (as you demonstrate) feeds on this - and >you call that the spirit? > >As for the end of game call - I say each to their own. Ours have got >worse and worse and we prefer to spend our long journies planning >strategies rather than calls. Genuine apologies tho for our spokes >person whose manner of delivery leaves a lot to be desired, needless to >say we didn't let him talk again! > >Scott >Red and proud of it - Up the revolution >/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ > SCOTT: Ian Scotland > Tel: 0116 2525824 > Fax: 0116 2523154 > E-mail: iws1@le.ac.uk > http://wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk/buf/ >/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ > Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id NAA21489; Tue, 25 Mar 1997 13:54:04 GMT Received: from dira.bris.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id NAA21478; Tue, 25 Mar 1997 13:53:58 GMT Received: from mail.bris.ac.uk by dira.bris.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Tue, 25 Mar 1997 13:53:45 +0000 Received: from Bristol (ts1-p8.bris.ac.uk [137.222.1.8]) by mail.bris.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA17356 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 1997 13:51:01 GMT From: Rob Cole Reply-To: Rob Cole To: Brit Disk Subject: earlier stuff Message-ID: Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 13:46:53 -0800 () X-Mailer: Simeon for Win32 Version 4.0.7 X-Authentication: none MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Well spotted evryone for my silly mistake. I did not mean Strange Blue by Blue, I meant another team and decided to call them Blue. Stupid of me. I apologise to any member of Strange Blue who may have been offended, we have played you once, as far as I can remember, and it was played in excellen spirit. Most people at Nationals can guess who 'Blue' (Not the Strange variety) are if they played them. Second I was refering to after game calls, not calls made during the game itself. Thirdly, Scott, thanks for the reply. I totaly agree with what you said about dodgy in-calls, fouls and so on, beleive me I have seen enough in my time, particularly when playing with a certain Bud Tilton (isn't it amazing how much people suddenly start travelling when you play against him?). You said that in your view spirit is just what goes on in the game, but I think it is more than that, it is how teams and individuals approach Ultimate, before during and after games, from the captains tossing the disks and shaking hands to the after game calls. Often the only chance to repair any damage caused by the game is imediately afterwards during the post game bit, as people soon have other things on their mind, like beer. And if you leave it, too often it ends up being too late and your team decide that the opposition were bad spirited. At Leeds one of the Jesters came up to me, after the end of game calls, to tell us what they thought one of our supporters, who had been particularly vocal about one in-call during the game, and then even more vocal about the spirit of the decision. And I have to say that I totaly agreed with him, our supporter was out of line, and had no right to go on like he did and it brought the whole tone of the game down slightly. But I guess that's something to learn from. Finally could someone clear a point up for me. If the offense have the disc on the edge of the zone, and the deffense are playing zone d, does the double team rule still apply, or can the defense have as many people around the disc as they like, as long as the second, third etc player is in the zone? A simple reply will do. Sorry for all the spelling mistakes and maths errors (Come on, I'm and Engineer, what do you expect?), hope to see you all soon, ---------------------- Rob Cole #7, "The Guv'nor", Mythago Captain, 1996-7 me3101@bris.ac.uk http://www.fen.bris.ac.uk/students/me3101 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id NAA20925; Tue, 25 Mar 1997 13:49:54 GMT Received: from pluto.open.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id NAA20912; Tue, 25 Mar 1997 13:49:48 GMT Received: from [137.108.81.37] (actually host UU-arthur-mac.open.ac.uk) by pluto.open.ac.uk with SMTP Local (PP); Tue, 25 Mar 1997 13:49:44 +0000 X-Sender: trevor@blake.open.ac.uk Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 13:50:49 +0000 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: t.d.collins@open.ac.uk (Trevor Collins) Subject: Re: Stuff - spirit on and off the field... Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Dear BD'ers Scott wrote... >Forgive us for having different view of what the spirit is about! To us >the spirit of the game is about what happens on the field of play not the >after game performances. Is'nt this just highlighting the need for two spirit groupings - on and off the pitch?? The spirit of play - sportsmanship, karma and stuff is quiet different from partying spirit. If we are to encourage both forms of spirit, and I certainly feel we should, do'nt we have to recognise them and reward them seperately?? This is one for tournament organisers rather than players only you have the power to make it so. If this is a view you support?... Just thoughts from the backbenches, Happy Easter - Moos, Trevor. Mad Kows. Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id OAA26664; Tue, 25 Mar 1997 14:30:03 GMT Received: from venus.le.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id OAA26652; Tue, 25 Mar 1997 14:29:59 GMT Received: from hawk.le.ac.uk by venus.le.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Tue, 25 Mar 1997 14:27:59 +0000 Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 14:27:53 +0000 (GMT) From: Scott X-Sender: iws1@hawk To: Rob Cole cc: Brit Disk Subject: Re: earlier stuff In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk > Finally could someone clear a point up for me. If the offense have the > disc on the edge of the zone, and the deffense are playing zone d, does > the double team rule still apply, or can the defense have as many people > around the disc as they like, as long as the second, third etc player is > in the zone? A simple reply will do. Sorry for all the spelling mistakes > and maths errors (Come on, I'm and Engineer, what do you expect?), hope to > see you all soon, If you are refering to the call made in our game then you have missed the point completely. A double team was called when your own (offensive) team had more than one of your own players within three meters of the disc (two others infact). Just so long as those players are within that area the defnece can move in to mark them. In other words if you have three of your own players within thre meters of the disc so can the opposition. Is that what this is all about? Scott /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ SCOTT: Ian Scotland Tel: 0116 2525824 Fax: 0116 2523154 E-mail: iws1@le.ac.uk http://wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk/buf/ /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Mar 25 15:40:00 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id PAA02753; Tue, 25 Mar 1997 15:16:32 GMT From: amasson@derwent.co.uk Received: from rh2.derwent.co.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id PAA02727; Tue, 25 Mar 1997 15:16:21 GMT Received: from iegate.derwent.co.uk by rh2.derwent.co.uk with smtp (SMAIL3.1.28.1#5) id m0w9Xzl-0001DAC;Tue, 25 Mar 97 15:18 GMT Received: from ccMail by iegate.derwent.co.uk (IMA Internet Exchange 2.1 Enterprise) id 00022DAA; Tue, 25 Mar 97 14:59:53 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 15:01:18 +0000 Message-ID: <00022DAA.1271@derwent.co.uk> Subject: Re:double team To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Scott's right you can't call a double team when the supposedly offending "D" player is marking an "O" player in the exclusion zone. The only helpful thing I can add is that if you were confused by the call you should have asked the caller to explain it, if not during the game, then certainly straight after. If you don't ask you'll never know. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Mar 25 15:58:10 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id PAA05479; Tue, 25 Mar 1997 15:35:47 GMT Received: from mondex1fd.mondex.com by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id PAA05460; Tue, 25 Mar 1997 15:35:42 GMT Received: from [193.128.225.129] (HELO localhost) by mondex1fd.mondex.com (AltaVista Mail V1.0/1.0 BL18 listener) id 0000_004f_3337_efa9_5075; Tue, 25 Mar 1997 15:30:49 +0000 Message-Id: From: Adrian Boniface To: "'britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk'" Subject: Spirit Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 15:33:23 -0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.993.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Why should Red get all the credit for not doing a call at the end of the match - we (Zebedee's) made the decision not to perform a call at the qualifiers as well, it seems to me Red just copied us ! The reason we don't call is three fold 1. we have no creative juice in our entire team 2. when we used to do calls, people were offended (if anyone remembers the "Steven Milligan" call they will know what I'm talking about) 3. at the end of the game, it is hard enough to breath let alone cheer, hop or skip ! The nationals were great and (I think) played in great spirit, let's not spoil it. Adrian The baldest Zebedee in town From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Mar 25 16:13:26 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id PAA07130; Tue, 25 Mar 1997 15:47:33 GMT Received: from easynet.co.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id PAA07060; Tue, 25 Mar 1997 15:47:17 GMT Received: (qmail 5336 invoked from network); 25 Mar 1997 15:47:40 -0000 Received: from larry.texcel.co.uk (HELO texcel.no) (195.40.103.11) by kiwi.easynet.co.uk with SMTP; 25 Mar 1997 15:47:40 -0000 Received: from andrea by texcel.no (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id PAA24858; Tue, 25 Mar 1997 15:42:35 GMT Received: from konishi by andrea (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id PAA04166; Tue, 25 Mar 1997 15:39:55 GMT Message-ID: <3337F1CA.1E33@texcel.no> Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 15:39:54 +0000 From: Neil Travers Organization: Texcel (UK) Ltd. X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (X11; I; SunOS 5.5 sun4m) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Re: Double team References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Rob Cole asked about double teaming. You can have as many people as you like marking anyone other than the thrower. As long as they are within 3 metres of that player, they can also be within 3 metres of the thrower. Here's the rules: 404.11 The Marker: A. Guarding: At any time, only one defensive player may guard the thrower. A player is said to be guarding the thrower if he is within 3 m of the thrower's pivot foot and is not within 3 m of any other member of the offensive team. So all the other players are not guarding the thrower as long as they are within 3 metres of another offensive player. -- Neil Travers - work Neil Travers - home Fluid Druids, UK http://www.dreamer.demon.co.uk/ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Mar 25 16:53:34 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id QAA16569; Tue, 25 Mar 1997 16:33:13 GMT Received: from mailhost.atlas.co.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id QAA16553; Tue, 25 Mar 1997 16:33:07 GMT Received: from by mailhost.atlas.co.uk (4.1/PIPEX simple 1.9) id AB06558; Tue, 25 Mar 97 16:36:07 GMT Message-Id: <9703251636.AB06558@mailhost.atlas.co.uk> Subject: Ultimatum Appeal Date: Tue, 25 Mar 97 16:39:18 +0000 From: Paul Hurt To: "BritDisc" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk ==================================================================== ULTIMATUM - APPEAL FOR SUPPORT (with apologies for the hard sell...) 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"Wow! This is the most professional piece of literature I have ever seen about our sport. I've just spent two hours pouring over it, line by line, and I'm excited (and tired; it's 1:00AM)!" - Steve Steury, Chicago "Z" Ultimate. "Thanks for the magazine and more importantly the effort. Ultimatum appears to do what a good sports publication does for its sport; present the sport in its best light. My initial reaction to your latest issue, which made the rounds on our team, was that it presented Ultimate as it is, a sport played by serious athletes as well as weekend warriors.... [stuff about the state of US Ultimate cut] ...I describe our condition in the States to illustrate just how enthusiastic we are to have a magazine that speaks to our level of interest." - Lenny Engel, Death or Glory (twelve DoG players now subscribe!) "We got it yesterday! It's capitol stuff, very professional looking and fun to read. Reading it was over all too soon. If we only could have a magazine like that!" - Dan Engstrom, Ultimate and Guts Committee Chairman, Swedish Frisbee Federation "I can confirm I just received number 34 of Ultimatum! One word: great!" Jean-Charles Dupin, Funkadelic, Belgium So, if you appreciate Ultimatum and would like to see it continue, you can help support the magazine and the sport by getting your chequebook out. Nine quid for six issues delivered direct to your door seems like good value to me. (Note that teams that haven't paid their BUF subs don't get the usual ten free copies. Has your team paid up?) To subscribe, send your name and address, and a cheque for 9 pounds made payable to "The British Ultimate Federation" to me at the address below. ============================ ULTIMATUM - APPEAL FOR STAFF Do you have any of the following skills - journalism (or just good writing abilities), sports photography, media sales and promotion, Web site authoring and management, database management, graphic design and illustration...? Do you have any of the following - e-mail, World Wide Web access, newsgroup access, an Apple Macintosh, a telephone, some spare time...? Do you live in a town or city where there's a shop selling Ultrastars? If you can answer yes to any of the above and would be interested in helping with Ultimatum on a regular basis, please get in touch with me by phone or e-mail. Thanks. ========================================== ULTIMATUM - APPEAL FOR LARGE GOBS OF MONEY Do you work for a company or organisation that might be interested in "sponsoring" Ultimatum? In return for a surprisingly small amount of cash, we can offer a year's prime advertising space in the magazine and, perhaps more significantly, "banner" advertising on an Ultimatum Web site, with a potentially huge worldwide audience. Plus of course, the chance to be associated with an exciting new growth sport. If you think the people you work for may be interested in an opportunity like this, please please please get in touch. Paul Hurt Editor, Ultimatum Magazine 95 Marney Road, Battersea, London SW11 5EW e-mail: aflitho@macline.co.uk telephone: 0171 223 7823 From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Mar 25 17:01:16 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id QAA16557; Tue, 25 Mar 1997 16:33:09 GMT Received: from mailhost.atlas.co.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id QAA16518; Tue, 25 Mar 1997 16:33:00 GMT Received: from by mailhost.atlas.co.uk (4.1/PIPEX simple 1.9) id AB06558; Tue, 25 Mar 97 16:35:58 GMT Message-Id: <9703251635.AB06558@mailhost.atlas.co.uk> Subject: Re: World Ultimate Magazine Date: Tue, 25 Mar 97 16:39:09 +0000 From: Paul Hurt To: "BritDisc" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk >Has anyone subscribed to World Ultimate Magazine and if so, is it any good? > >Max >Stan Hi Max Issue 1 of World Ultimate Magazine (WUM) has not been published yet. If it lives up to the hype, it should be great. However, the proof of the pudding is when the fat lady sings, etc. FYI, I can tell you that WUM's review of Worlds '96 will be a reprint of my Ultimatum article. I have no idea what the rest of it will be like tho'. The publication date for the first issue was originally November/December, then it was put back to February/March. It can't be far off now, but I wouldn't hold my breath. Paul --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Hurt Editor, Ultimatum Magazine, London, England e-mail aflitho@macline.co.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Mar 25 17:02:40 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id QAA16123; Tue, 25 Mar 1997 16:31:08 GMT Received: from oxmail4.ox.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id QAA16064; Tue, 25 Mar 1997 16:31:02 GMT Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk by oxmail4 with SMTP (PP) with ESMTP; Tue, 25 Mar 1997 16:30:54 +0000 Received: from localhost (immd0001@localhost) by ermine.ox.ac.uk (1.1/8.8.3) with SMTP id QAA02667 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 1997 16:30:53 GMT Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 16:30:53 +0000 (GMT) From: paul meaney To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Nationals and rotterdam Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi all, As a now Ex- Indoor D of C can I breathe a huge sigh of relief and thoroughly give Barry and all the Staff of Indoors '97 a big round of applause. (It's a bit like the Oscars this, innit?). Seriously, minor quibbles aside (AHscheduleHEM), this was really well done, with a full set of staff, physios and medical staff (i.e. DOCTOR Leo James). Congrats to the absolutely unflappable Barry O'Kane, who managed an air of relaxation achieved apparently without the aid of recreational pharmaceuticals. A good party (it must have been - even Toby Green was strutting his (creaky/funky - delete as appropriate) stuff.) The spirit on the whole was superb (must be Edinburgh's infectious atmosphere) ,the venue outstanding, with a cracking big hall for the Finals. Now about indoors '98. Anybody wanna host the Finals? Oh yes, and can anybody tell me the *confirmed* dates for Rotterdam this year? If there are any yet, that is. Laters, Paul. (lookit that, elmer, that dang young man's flames've just gorn out!) //////////////////////////////////\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ ****************************************************************************** Kryten: sir, you must forgive Mr Rimmer, he's suffering from a stress- related nervous disorder Lister: Next time I see him he'll be suffering from a fist- related teeth disorder ****************************************************************************** \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\//////////////////////////////////////////// From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Mar 25 21:31:55 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id VAA16391; Tue, 25 Mar 1997 21:08:27 GMT Received: from vulcan by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id VAA16383; Tue, 25 Mar 1997 21:08:20 GMT Received: from hawk.le.ac.uk by vulcan with SMTP (PP); Tue, 25 Mar 1997 21:06:12 +0000 Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 21:06:06 +0000 (GMT) From: Scott X-Sender: iws1@hawk To: britdisc Subject: Get paid to teach Ultimate in Cambridge Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Dear BDers, An opportunity has arisen for one or two people to get paid to do two days of paid teaching on either Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday or Friday of next week! I have only just heard about this from the organisers, Kings Sports Camps and if this trial proves a success they may well fund training on a longer term basis over the summer months at their camps which are situated throughout the country. The work would involve two days (out of the four) next week from 10-4pm and would be paid at around 8GBP per hour plus travel expenses. Since it is such short notice I have put this appeal out on Britdisc for willing Ultimate players to contact me asap. Please remember that if this is successful the prospects for further employment and growth of the sport will be increased. Please let people who are not on BD know about this, particularly if you are in the Cambridge area, remember I can be contacted by phone. Scott /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ SCOTT: Ian Scotland Tel: 0116 2525824 Fax: 0116 2523154 E-mail: iws1@le.ac.uk http://wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk/buf/ /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Mar 25 21:39:42 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id VAA16979; Tue, 25 Mar 1997 21:16:01 GMT Received: from phidelta.demon.co.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id VAA16950; Tue, 25 Mar 1997 21:15:45 GMT Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 21:16:05 GMT From: Wayne@phidelta.demon.co.uk (Wayne Retter) Reply-To: Wayne@phidelta.demon.co.uk Message-Id: <5468@phidelta.demon.co.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Email replies X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Lines: 17 Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Dear all, My ISP appears to be having a problem with one of its mail servers - I have 37 messages awaiting download (and I can't find out who from - another problem!). So, if you've mailed any of the following addresses since Thursday evening and it's important and you expected a reply, you'd better try by phone... addresses: all @phidelta.demon.co.uk Wayne Druid LayoutDreams -------------------------- Wayne Retter Wayne@phidelta.demon.co.uk http://www.phidelta.demon.co.uk/ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Mar 26 12:03:02 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id LAA04660; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 11:33:29 GMT Received: from gcsin1.gecm.com by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id LAA04612; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 11:32:58 GMT Received: from gcsin3.geccs.gecm.com by gcsin1.gecm.com; (5.65/1.1.8.2/13Mar95-0121PM) id AA02575; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 11:32:15 GMT Received: from gcschm.geccs.gecm.com by gcsin3.geccs.gecm.com; (5.65/1.1.8.2/13Mar95-1139AM) id AA25407; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 11:32:13 GMT Alternate-Recipient: prohibited Disclose-Recipients: prohibited Content-Return: prohibited Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 11:32:03 +0000 (GMT) From: Giles Stoddard 0181 420 3845 Subject: Available for Tour !! To: britdisc Message-Id: <6003321126031997/A02455/PLANET/11B3D2E00300*@MHS> Autoforwarded: false Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Importance: normal Ua-Content-Id: 11B3D2E00300 X400-Mts-Identifier: [;6003321126031997/A02455/PLANET] Hop-Count: 2 Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Tribal Desire has folded for the Tour due split commitments of a large number of our players. Therefore.... I will be available for the Ultim8 Tour (all tournaments). So if any teams out there want a player, available for FREE transfer, then mail me. Or you can phone me on 01243 537003, as I am out for Easter from this afternoon. Cheers, Giles giles.stoddard@gecm.com From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Mar 26 12:44:35 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id MAA10961; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 12:24:18 GMT Received: from amsta.leeds.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id MAA10940; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 12:24:10 GMT Received: from newton.leeds.amsta (newton.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.64]) by amsta.leeds.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA18724 for ; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 12:24:12 GMT Received: by newton.leeds.amsta (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id MAA21439; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 12:24:22 GMT Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 12:24:22 GMT From: amtsjh@amsta.leeds.ac.uk (S J Hill) Message-Id: <199703261224.MAA21439@newton.leeds.amsta> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: TOUR INFO (plus a predicable comment about Spirit and Calls) X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi So you missed the closing date for Hitchin? Well there are still spaces. But there is a complication. Dora is going (has gone) to Rimini for a few days which means that we can no longer confirm your entry until next Wednesday. You might want to get in touch with me to let me know that you have sent the moeny etc to Dora, but I can't tell you if you have got in or not because I don't know who else has done that. Teams I DO know about are (in rough order of paying deposit) Catch Strange Blue Jedi Druids Village Gun Bliss Squawks Stan 1st Touch Phat'Eds I Sneeeky's Headrush Red Jesters Chevron Oxford Ultimate Superfly And I understand that details/money have been sent by Violently Happy Hurricane so they will also make it! I have also heard from one or two other teams that they are about to put their money in the post - so I presume they too will not have any trouble getting one of the spaces. So if your team wants to be in, then send the money (and tell me that you have) - but we cannot now confirm your place until Wednesday (when we will hopefully be confirming many other tournament details). Before you say "this isn't fair" remember that you have already missed the closing date, and that at least 15 teams didn't! I will be around all Easter w/e at home 0113 289 0971 - but also nipping in to do some work from time to time - so I will also be reading email. Si I was interested to read Rob's comment about calls etc. I remember discussing this point with a couple of the Strollers about a year ago. Now obviously these guys have been playing for quite a while. Their point was that it appeared to them that they could visibly detect a movement in the focus of where spirit was being displayed. IE - loads of really funny post-game calls taking precedence over a clear, fair, thoughtful SPIRITED approach to play ON THE PITCH by people who know the rules. I am not slagging people's spirit here - but agreeing with a couple of "emminent" people who have commented about this and related topics. (Re-read Rafi's bit in one of the Ultimatum's recently. Its worth thinking about. Also Scott made a good point about standing firm over something in the face of celebrations. Why not ask Andy C. from Chevron just how hard this is. The recent argument sparked by our team taking dropped pulls is another good illustration of how spirit is seen differently by different teams.) I think Red did what they did this w/e partly to spark off some conversation along these lines. Good for them. We (I was playing with Stan) played them this w/e. The game hinged on an endzone call where one of their players caught the disc touching the line. Their spirit was excellent from my point of view. And after the game they made it very clear that they wanted their spirit ON THE PITCH to be recognised not their ability to make am amusing song up (sorry about the split infinitive). AND FINALLY... ever beaten a team in an important, really close game and then subjected them to a really funny call that takes 5 minutes? Do you think that was enjoyable after they'd just been knocked out of Nationals? Sometimes a short call, or even no-call might just be the best way to respect your opponents. (NB - please do NOT think I am saying that teams shouldn't circle-up after the game - I think that is a great tradition.) And really finally - if you haven't seen Mythago's call (Rob is from Mythago for anyone who doesn't know) - check it out. Its one of the best I've ever seen. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Mar 26 13:49:32 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id NAA17597; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 13:21:34 GMT Received: from hil-img-1.compuserve.com by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id NAA17584; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 13:21:28 GMT Received: by hil-img-1.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id IAA09123; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 08:20:57 -0500 Date: 26 Mar 97 08:18:41 EST From: EATON PUBLICATION <100737.2226@compuserve.com> To: BRITDISC Subject: Lurkers practices Message-ID: <970326131841_100737.2226_EHV117-2@CompuServe.COM> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Howie, or any of the Lurkers. When and where are you practising at the moment? Colin, "EATON PUBLICATIONS", INTERNET:100737.2226@compuserve.com From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Mar 26 14:16:31 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id NAA21849; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 13:59:02 GMT Received: from relay-11.mail.demon.net by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id NAA21827; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 13:58:55 GMT Received: from stures.demon.co.uk ([194.222.19.95]) by relay-11.mail.demon.net id aa1112867; 26 Mar 97 13:54 GMT X-Sender: (Unverified) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 13:57:13 +0000 To: Giles Stoddard 0181 420 3845 From: Max Keogh Subject: Re: Available for Tour !! Cc: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Message-ID: <859384453.1112867.0@stures.demon.co.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk >Tribal Desire has folded for the Tour due split commitments of a large >number of our players. Therefore.... > >I will be available for the Ultim8 Tour (all tournaments). So if any >teams out there want >a player, available for FREE transfer, then mail me. Or you can phone me >on 01243 537003, as I am out for Easter from this afternoon. > Free transfer? Is this under the Bosman ruling, or do not rate yourself highly enough to expect a transfer fee to be paid? Don't do yourself down, go for the big bucks. We, Stan, broke all records a few years back with the most expensive Ultimate player in UK history. We negotiated the purchase of Keef Goodall from the Strollers for the princely sum of 50p. Keef has since expressed an interest in playing for Catch, but seeing as he is still under contract with Stan and we have not received a reasonable offer from them it look as though the transfer deal is OFF, unless we hear from Si Hill this afternoon. If not we'll look to flog him off to some 2nd division team. I believe the transfer deadline for the tour is next Thursday, so get your bids in. Max Stan. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Mar 26 14:49:33 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id OAA26073; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 14:30:47 GMT From: Chris.Patten@octel.com Received: from gw3.octel.com by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id OAA26054; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 14:30:32 GMT Received: (from daemon@localhost) by gw3.octel.com (8.6.10/8.6.12) id GAA26707 for ; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 06:04:28 -0800 Received: from cornus.cssd.octel.com(148.147.84.200) by gw3.octel.com via smap (V1.3) id sma026704; Wed Mar 26 06:04:23 1997 Received: by cornus.cssd.octel.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63) id <01BC39EE.9A2C5E90@cornus.cssd.octel.com>; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 14:04:21 -0000 Message-ID: To: , <100737.2226@compuserve.com> Cc: , Subject: RE: Lurkers practices Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 14:04:19 -0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk I think indoor practices have finished for this year, so my guess is Waddon park, Croydon. I don't know the times though. Chris. ---------- From: EATON PUBLICATION[SMTP:100737.2226@compuserve.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 1997 1:19 PM To: BRITDISC Subject: Lurkers practices Howie, or any of the Lurkers. When and where are you practising at the moment? Colin, "EATON PUBLICATIONS", INTERNET:100737.2226@compuserve.com From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Mar 26 15:07:57 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id OAA28390; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 14:47:56 GMT From: Wayne_Retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk Received: from sys3.cambridge.uk.psi.net by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id OAA28366; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 14:47:45 GMT Received: from sys2.london2.uk.psi.net (sys2.london2.uk.psi.net [154.32.110.6]) by sys3.cambridge.uk.psi.net (8.8.4/) with ESMTP id OAA09898; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 14:47:23 GMT Received: from rwatson.UUCP by sys2.london2.uk.psi.net (8.8.4/SMI-5.5-UKPSINet) id OAA14426; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 14:36:53 GMT Received: from cc:Mail by rwatson.watsonwyatt.co.uk id AA859415239 Wed, 26 Mar 97 14:27:19 Date: Wed, 26 Mar 97 14:27:19 Message-Id: <9702268594.AA859415239@rwatson.watsonwyatt.co.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk, c.hughes1@livjm.ac.uk Subject: Re: TOUR INFO (plus a predicable comment about Spirit and Ca Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk All Further to Si's recent mail: I will be off to Dublin as of (tomorrow) Thursday 5pm, so Email to LayoutDreams@phidelta.demon.co.uk will go unanswered for a while (till Tuesday at least). so, you could try mailing Chris, but he won't read it, so, phone him on 0151-944-2629 to pledge that your cheque(s) are in the post. AND: IMPORTANT: ACCOMODATION: nobody seems to want accomodation for the Hitchin tournament (village hall at GBP 20.00 per team). Unless people say they need it NOW, we'll cut our losses and cancel the arrangement - and you'll be stuffed if you find you need it! Wayne Retter Layout Dreams From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Mar 26 18:17:22 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id RAA25689; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 17:54:45 GMT Received: from renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id RAA25677; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 17:54:39 GMT Received: from arran.sms.ed.ac.uk (arran.sms.ed.ac.uk [129.215.141.2]) by renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk (8.6.13/8.6.12) with ESMTP id RAA21193 for ; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 17:54:38 GMT Received: from SMS-ARRAN/SpoolDir by arran.sms.ed.ac.uk (Mercury 1.21); 26 Mar 97 17:52:18 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by SMS-ARRAN (Mercury 1.21); 26 Mar 97 17:52:16 +0000 From: "Runrunrunboingwheeecrunchouch!" <8944852@arran.sms.ed.ac.uk> Organization: Student Mail Service To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 17:52:08 +0000 Subject: Spirit improves your Ultimate X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi thanks to everyone involved in the Nationals. You all helped to make it one of the most enjoyable I've ever attended. Particular plaudits to Shrub for great spirit during such a tense semi, and to the Druids (am I really saying this?) for staying cool when we looked like we had the final sown up at 4-2. I think one of the most important factors in our (U.T.I.'s) success was that we played with great team spirit all weekend. We had our fair share of duff throws, drops and general headless-chickeness. However, at no point did we ever stop enjoying the game, nor did we start getting at each other. This gave us the confidence to play effective, varied offence and committed D. If you read through a few back copies of Ultimatum you'll find other examples of this effect (and how many times have teams lost their spirit at a critical point and then completely fallen apart?). So give it a try the next time things are going down the pan-you'll certainly enjoy the game more, you'll probably play better and who knows you might even win! Cheers Leo Sneeeky's/UTI last weekend PS Fair play to Rob Cole for bringing us to account for our lack of call. Spirit of the Game encompasses many things, none of which should be neglected. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Mar 26 20:16:29 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id UAA08612; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 20:02:19 GMT Received: from fu-manchu.pindar.co.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id UAA08601; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 20:02:08 GMT Received: from 193.123.165.127 (york-ip127.pindar.co.uk [193.123.165.127]) by fu-manchu.pindar.co.uk (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id UAA04634 for ; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 20:00:26 GMT Message-ID: <33398090.EA1@pindar.co.uk> Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 20:01:21 +0000 From: The Mystery Mooner Reply-To: tf@pindar.co.uk X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: The lucrative bussiness of streaking Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk I've only recently logged on to this mailing list, and boy do you guys have too much spare time on your hands. This is only a quick note to thank all those who gave up their cash last weekend at the nationals. All in all we raised about Ł230 - not bad for 20 seconds work - perhaps there could be a career opportunity here. The money, as Kenny explained, goes to the Bristol Cancer Help Center. On another point, I seem to recall a number of camera flashes during my streak. I have been discussing the issue with my lawyers, and they assure me that I am perfectly within my rights to sue anyone who prints anything without my prior consent - owing to my new career move. And that goes double for any Chevron players. Finally thanks to the sneekys for a top (nice one, sorted) weekend, it was ace. cheers, MM P.s Here is one for all you statisticians out there, Am I able to tell my children that I was the first British ultimate streaker or has it been done before? - I'm not talking about just walking around without clothes on here, I mean full blown, run like bonkers, predetermined nudity - mind you, could I be disqualified for my anonymity?....not that it was very successful, thanks to my ex-friends. Byeee ---------------------------------------------------------------- The Mystery Mooner ... Finding a new kind of freedom in ultimate From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Mar 27 11:36:38 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id LAA23842; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 11:04:38 GMT Received: from relay-7.mail.demon.net by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id LAA23837; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 11:04:34 GMT Received: from stures.demon.co.uk ([194.222.19.95]) by relay-6.mail.demon.net id aa0616339; 27 Mar 97 10:32 GMT X-Sender: (Unverified) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 10:35:46 +0000 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: Max Keogh Subject: Re: The lucrative bussiness of streaking Message-ID: <859458763.0616339.0@stures.demon.co.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk >P.s Here is one for all you statisticians out there, Am I able to tell >my children that I was the first British ultimate streaker or has it >been done before? - I'm not talking about just walking around without >clothes on here, I mean full blown, run like bonkers, predetermined >nudity - mind you, could I be disqualified for my anonymity?....not that >it was very successful, thanks to my ex-friends. Byeee > >---------------------------------------------------------------- >The Mystery Mooner ... Finding a new kind of freedom in ultimate Sorry MM, you're not the first. A vague, ageing memory tells me there was an incident some years back at the Red Light's tournament in Amsterdam and it involved a normally shy, retiring British Ultimate player, a pile of pizza boxes and aforementioned complete nudity. I believe the Hombres (old Shotgunners) were witness to it. Maybe you were the first on British soil? Max Stan From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Mar 27 12:17:44 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id LAA03749; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 11:56:24 GMT Received: from clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA03736; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 11:56:17 GMT Received: from dira.bris.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA25191; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 11:56:13 GMT Received: from kukini.cs.bris.ac.uk by dira.bris.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Thu, 27 Mar 1997 11:55:35 +0000 Received: from kiha by kukini.compsci.bristol.ac.uk id aa27738; 27 Mar 97 11:47 GMT Received: from localhost by kiha.cs.bris.ac.uk (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA17323; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 11:48:24 GMT To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: first UK streaking? Reply-To: lafave@cs.bris.ac.uk Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 11:48:21 +0000 Message-ID: <17322.859463301@kiha> From: Laura Lafave Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk >> Maybe you were the first on British soil? Bristol Ultimate history contains the story of a young player who, a few years ago in Plymouth, lapped the hall where everyone was staying/sleeping wearing less than nothing. However, I promised this (very respectable) man that I would not reveal his identity. It was before my time anyway. Laura From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Mar 27 12:31:28 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id MAA05176; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 12:08:19 GMT Received: from polaris.kbw.co.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id MAA05136; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 12:08:05 GMT Received: from RUKBAT (RUKBAT [194.70.193.70]) by polaris.kbw.co.uk (NTMail 3.02.10) with ESMTP id ha005987 for ; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 12:07:51 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970327121210.0094d8b0@mail> X-Sender: roger@mail X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 12:12:17 +0000 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk, Aram Flores , Christian Nistri , Garret Crosby , Ingo Piroth , Jonathan Schofield , "Milne, Douglas M" , Neil Haliday , NICHOLAS HASLAM <101327.3637@compuserve.com>, Oz Freire , Pete Harvey , Rafi Freire , Roger Thomson , "S.R.X.Dall" , Sean Young , Simon Moore , Nylon Taylor From: Roger Thomson Subject: Re: The lucrative business of streaking Cc: travel@equity.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk At 10:35 27/03/97 +0000, Max wrote: >Maybe you were the first on British soil? > Maybe during games or at a tournament, but not including parties: One GB practice many moons ago was held at Paradise, an ex-Samurai player's farm. Three Regulators had been in the sauna too long with a bottle of whiskey and emerged to run around the fire wearing nothing but trainers, clutching one lit Silk Cut apiece. Needless to say the crowd were highly amused and tried to catch the naked runners. This posting is therefore dedicated to one of those runners whose stag night it is tomorrow night and who is shortly leaving us for the US of A - Mr Ingo Piroth. roger From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Mar 27 12:32:17 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id MAA05868; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 12:14:01 GMT Received: from mail.rmplc.net by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id MAA05853; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 12:13:51 GMT Received: from acotgreave.rmplc.net ([172.16.27.34]) by mail.rmplc.net (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA06827; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 12:13:45 GMT Message-Id: <199703271213.MAA06827@mail.rmplc.net> From: "Andy Cotgreave" To: "Britdisc" , Subject: World Ultimate Club Championships 1997 (again) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 12:11:19 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Anyone who is still interested in volunteeering for the Worlds. The URL that was on the mail I posted the other day is wrong: it should be: http://www.portal.ca/~wucc97/ Hope this helps! Andy C From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Mar 27 12:50:47 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id MAA07554; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 12:27:39 GMT Received: from dns0.curved-logic.com by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id MAA07532; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 12:27:29 GMT Received: from pc15.curved-logic.com by dns0.curved-logic.com id aa13942; 27 Mar 97 13:29 GMT Received: by pc15.curved-logic.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BC3AA8.7B4EA680@pc15.curved-logic.com>; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 12:14:55 -0000 Message-ID: <01BC3AA8.7B4EA680@pc15.curved-logic.com> From: Kevin Lowe To: "'Britdisc'" Subject: RE: first UK streaking? Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 12:14:54 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk >Bristol Ultimate history contains the story of a young player who, a = few years >ago in Plymouth, lapped the hall where everyone was staying/sleeping = wearing >less than nothing.=20 I remember this one from Plymouth 93. The Sport's Hall staff were in = hysterics at 3 in the morning. The afore mentioned individual wasn't = totally naked though. "Wearing only Skimpy Y-fronts" was how the night = staff reported it.=20 They watched him struggle to find a door from the Sport's Hall, only to = step outside into the frosty night, and watch the door slam behind him. = They put the stop watch on him, and it took him 12 minutes to either = find the main entrance, or to find the courage to walk through it. A certain Tribal player (who has just offered his tarting service to = play for another team during the tour) was drunk enough to offer to = streak across the pitch during the floodlit semis at Eastbourne last = year. He said he'd do it if Jane would snog him, which she reluctantly = agreed to. He then decided he couldn't trust anyone enough with his clothes (lame = excuse), so he said no. When we said we'd buy him a beer, he = re-considered (Jane's ego was not happy), but still ended up bottling = it.=20 Wasn't there a Naked (Co-Ed) Masters game at Millfield in 1995? I seem = to remember one team stripping off for a point, putting their clothes = back on, persuading the other team to go naked, and then called a time = out on them so they had to stay there longer. Kevin. --=20 | E-mail Kev@Curved-logic.com Phone (+44)1244-382371 | Silence is better than unmeaning words - Pythagoras From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Mar 27 14:21:49 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id NAA16221; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 13:52:59 GMT From: Wayne_Retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk Received: from sys3.cambridge.uk.psi.net by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id NAA16212; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 13:52:53 GMT Received: from sys2.london2.uk.psi.net (sys2.london2.uk.psi.net [154.32.110.6]) by sys3.cambridge.uk.psi.net (8.8.4/) with ESMTP id NAA29569; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 13:52:44 GMT Received: from rwatson.UUCP by sys2.london2.uk.psi.net (8.8.4/SMI-5.5-UKPSINet) id NAA21791; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 13:49:17 GMT Received: from cc:Mail by rwatson.watsonwyatt.co.uk id AA859498671 Thu, 27 Mar 97 13:37:51 Date: Thu, 27 Mar 97 13:37:51 Message-Id: <9702278594.AA859498671@rwatson.watsonwyatt.co.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk CC: c.hughes1@livjm.ac.uk, layoutdreams@phidelta.demon.co.uk Subject: Tour I, Hitchin: Bed and Breakfast List Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Accomodation List for Hitchin Disclaimer - We've not been to, or stayed in any of these places, so cannot guarantee quality or cost of rooms, so ring them and confirm first. ____________________________________________________________________ Ashford Guest House 3 dbl @ ?17.00 pp, 4 sgl @ ?17.00 pp 24 York Road, Hitchin 01462 454183 Digrado Hotel 7 York Road, Hitchin 01462 450321 B&B: Mrs Giancola 1 sgl ?15.00 49 Norton Road, Letchworth 01462 677589 B&B: Mrs S Howard 2 sgl @ ?15.00 18 The Crescent, Letchworth 01462 673429 B&B: Mrs Beirne 1 sgl @ ?12.50, I twin @ ?12.50 pp Avenue Guest House 2 The Avenue, Hitchin 01462 435508 Lines Villa 2 dbl @ ?40.00, 1 sgl @ ?20.00 16 Clifton Road, Shefford 01462 811353 Greyhound Inn 1 dbl @ ?40.00, 1 sgl @ ?20.00 London Road, St Ippolytts 01462 440989 Lilley Arms ?32.50 - double rooms???? West Street, Lilley 01462 768371 The Silver Lion 1 dbl(en suite) @ ?36.00, 1 dbl @ ?30.00, West Street, Lilley 1 sgl @ ?25.00 01462 768386 White Hart Hotel dbl @ ?50.00, sgl @ ?30.00 Shefford 01462 811144 B&B: Helen 1 dbl @ ?34.00, 1 sgl @ ?24.00 Letchworth 01462 684422 Cock Hotel High Street, Hitchin 01462 434673 Highbury Lodge Hotel Highbury Road, Hitchin 01462 432983 Lord Lister Hotel Park Street, Hitchin 01462 432712 Sun Hotel Sun Street, Hitchin 01462 436421 If you are unable to contact any of these places, or if they are full or just unsuitable (eg: too expensive), then try the Local Tourist Information Office: Tourist Information 6c Brand Street, Hitchin 01462 440284 ____________________________________________________________________ Hope this is of some use to all teams coming to the Tour I Event that have not organised their own accomodation already. Due to only 1 team (Fluid Druids) requesting use of the Village Hall, we may well be cancelling that option this weekend, SO, IF YOU THINK YOU NEED IT YOU'D BETTER PHONE CHRIS NOW !!! Wayne Retter Layout Dreams LayoutDreams@phidelta.demon.co.uk on behalf of Chris Hughes (phone 0151 944 2629, email c.hughes1@livjm.ac.uk - rarely checked!) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Mar 27 16:00:13 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id PAA28417; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 15:29:10 GMT Received: from versailles.quidnunc.com by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id PAA28403; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 15:29:02 GMT Received: by versailles.quidnunc.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.993.5) id <01BC3AC3.B2088DB0@versailles.quidnunc.com>; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 15:29:43 -0000 Message-ID: From: Neil Cooper To: "'britdisc'" Subject: First UK .... Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 15:29:41 -0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.993.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk >>Bristol Ultimate history contains the story of a young player who, a few >>years >>ago in Plymouth, lapped the hall where everyone was staying/sleeping wearing >>less than nothing. As far as I can recall the aforementioned individual was in fact a different person to that mentioned by Kevin. This was, as far as my memory recalls, as a result of being totally set up in a rather silly drinking game, although are there any other sorts of drinking game ???????? Coops :-> Longing for outdoors (next weekend) and this weather to hold ..... And now the final instalment ........ Return of the Jedi: 10. "Hey, point that thing someplace else." 9. "I look forward to completing your training. In time you will call me master." 8. "I never knew I had it in me." 7. "There is good in him, I've felt it." 6. "Grab me, Chewie. I'm slipping -- hold on. Grab it, almost... you almost got it. Gently now, all right, easy, easy, hold me, Chewie." 5. "Hey, Luke, thanks for coming after me -- now I owe you one." 4. "Back door, huh? Good idea!" 3. "She's gonna blow!" 2. "I think you'll fit in nicely." 1. "Rise, my friend." But of course, one of the best is - "Wedge! Pull out! You're not doing any good back there!" From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Mar 27 16:10:59 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id PAA01559; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 15:56:41 GMT Received: from nessie.mcc.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id PAA01552; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 15:56:37 GMT Received: from ccg.acu.man.ac.uk by nessie.mcc.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Thu, 27 Mar 1997 15:55:57 +0000 Received: from cc:Mail by ccg.acu.man.ac.uk (1.30/SMTPLink) id A20763; Thu, 27 Mar 97 15:55:01 GMT Date: Thu, 27 Mar 97 15:55:01 GMT From: Rob Mitchell Message-ID: <9703271555.A20763@ccg.acu.man.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Re[2]: The lucrative business of streaking Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Text item: Text_1 roger wrote: "One GB practice many moons ago was held at Paradise, an ex-Samurai player's farm. Three Regulators had been in the sauna too long with a bottle of whiskey and emerged to run around the fire wearing nothing but trainers, clutching one lit Silk Cut apiece. Needless to say the crowd were highly amused and tried to catch the naked runners." perchance one silk cut may have been enough to cover their modesty? love rob, chevron xxx From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Mar 27 23:37:23 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id XAA13095; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 23:20:14 GMT Received: from mailhost.dircon.co.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id XAA13079; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 23:20:04 GMT Received: from [194.112.39.52] (du10-052.pool.dircon.co.uk [194.112.39.52]) by mailhost.dircon.co.uk (8.8.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA14264 for ; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 23:19:58 GMT X-Sender: classa@popmail.dircon.co.uk (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 00:38:47 +0000 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: ollie@class-a.co.uk (Ollie Watson) Subject: Your average African Baboon Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk > roger wrote: > > "One GB practice many moons ago was held at Paradise, an ex-Samurai > player's farm. Three Regulators had been in the sauna too long with a > bottle of whiskey and emerged to run around the fire wearing nothing > but trainers, clutching one lit Silk Cut apiece. Needless to say the > crowd were highly amused and tried to catch the naked runners." Rob wrote: > perchance one silk cut may have been enough to cover their modesty? > > love rob, chevron xxx Well Rob, I think you've failed to pick up on Roger's ever so subtle metaphor re. the old Silk Cuts .... after all us Shotgun players look like we have to stay on the *straight and narrow* as far as Brit Disc is concerned. Needless to say though (as anyone who has ever spent a night camping at Paradise will testify to) the particular Silk Cut's in question were large enough to cover the modesty of your average African Baboon. Ollie Gun P.S. Not that we had anything to hide of course! From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Mar 28 14:58:03 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id OAA15893; Fri, 28 Mar 1997 14:28:50 GMT Received: from hil-img-3.compuserve.com by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id OAA15879; Fri, 28 Mar 1997 14:28:42 GMT Received: by hil-img-3.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id JAA09797; Fri, 28 Mar 1997 09:28:05 -0500 Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 09:27:40 -0500 From: Aike Arnheim <106400.277@compuserve.com> Subject: Tour I (Hitchin) Accomodation To: BritDisc Cc: Chris Hughes Message-ID: <199703280927_MC2-1364-AB66@compuserve.com> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk The Accomodation list published on BritDisc recently is now also available at: http://www.phidelta.demon.co.uk/accom.htm Wayne Retter Layout Dreams LayoutDreams@phidelta.demon.co.uk (currently on somebody else's system - please don't reply to this message!) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sat Mar 29 01:00:40 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id AAA27581; Sat, 29 Mar 1997 00:37:29 GMT Received: from quay.pipex.net by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id AAA27571; Sat, 29 Mar 1997 00:37:20 GMT Received: (qmail 12251 invoked from network); 29 Mar 1997 00:37:16 -0000 Received: from connect.on-line.co.uk (HELO mail.on-line.co.uk) (193.130.168.1) by quay.mail.pipex.net with SMTP; 29 Mar 1997 00:37:16 -0000 Received: from localhost by mail.on-line.co.uk (8.6.12/On-line) id AAA12432; Sat, 29 Mar 1997 00:49:44 GMT Date: Sat, 29 Mar 1997 00:49:44 GMT Message-Id: <199703290049.AAA12432@mail.on-line.co.uk> X-Sender: ncampbel@mail.on-line.co.uk (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: Nigel Campbell Subject: Scottish Tournament Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Yes well here it is the info you've all been waiting for about the Scottish uni indoor tournament. So to all uni's in Scotland get listening and tough to all in England. The tournament is to be held in St Andrews on the 19th and 20th of April. Yes that is true it is the same weekend as Leister tournament, but what can I say it's the only weekend we could hold it and we know that due to the weather most of us Scots are not too good when there is a bit of wind, we tend to huddle indoors with a dram of whisky (excluding you guys at the medows of course). The price per team for this tournament is a bargain =A3= 30 so get a couple of teams if you can as it is a great chance to show everyone the ropes, and for those of you that are any good there will be two members from each uni helping to pick the best indoor players who will be selected to get a blue or =BD blue.=20 So here is a quick run down of it all : - Sat and Sun the 19th and 20th of April at the St Andrews Athletics Union - 9am to 5pm each day of solid fun packed ultimate - Private function room hired for massive party afterwards (largin it) - in house DJ to boot - Prizes for every team - free accomodation for Sat night and Fri if needed (well a space on a floor anyway) - drinks and fresh sandwiches on site=20 - Sorry but no MCDONALDS for many miles - Bring outdoor shoes as well if you want a chuck around outside - =BD blues and blues obtainable from your Uni if you are selected for the Scottish University Team. Selection committee chosen on the day from each team. - Please contact us as soon as possible with how many teams you want to take as there are limited places. If you want to guarantee your team places send cheques to "The Ultimate Society" 116 North St St Andrews Fife KY 16 9AF. =09 Any questions ring Steve on 01334-479943 DO NOT E-MAIL THIS ADDRESS AS I AM DOING THIS FROM HOME AND AM NOW OFF SKIING HAHA!!!!!!! E-mail : sh4@st-and.ac.uk=20 See you then I hope Gillon P.S. Barry get a good team up here as it will be a great laugh don't send them all down to some outdoors in the wind and wet just drive an hour north and play indoors the last of the year!!!You've got all summer to play= outdoors. PPS Please ignore my Dad's signature at the bottom Nigel Campbell MBS: c/o Jane McGrath=20 Tel +44(0)161 275 6471 Fax...6464=20 PasTest: Tel +44(0)1565 755226 Fax... 650264 and pastest@dial.pipex.com.uk Home: Tel +44(0)1565 653113 Fax... 750073 From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Mar 31 08:08:43 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id HAA02946; Mon, 31 Mar 1997 07:48:16 +0100 (BST) Received: from crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id HAA02938; Mon, 31 Mar 1997 07:48:12 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 07:48:10 +0100 (BST) From: Mr R C Doswell Message-Id: <21418.199703310648@crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Received: by crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk id HAA21418; Mon, 31 Mar 1997 07:48:10 +0100 (BST) To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: BUF Events Reminder Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk British Ultimate Federation Disc Events Diary --------------------------------------------- April 1997 ---------- Saturday 5 April 1997 BUF Tour I (2 days) @ Hitchin Sunday 13 April 1997 GB Open & Women Team practices (1 day) @ Witney Saturday 19 April 1997 BUF Tour II : Leicester Outdoors (2 days) @ Victoria Park, Leicester St Andrews Indoor Tournament (2 days) @ St Andrews Saturday 26 April 1997 Student Outdoors (2 days) @ Southampton May 1997 -------- Saturday 3 May 1997 BUF National Junior Outdoors (2 days) @ Gosport, Hampshire Freezzz Beezzz 5th International Outdoor Ultimate Tournament (2 days) (Non-UK event) @ Brugge, BE Sunday 4 May 1997 GB Open Team practice (1 day) @ Warwick Saturday 17 May 1997 Kowpat '97 (Spice Beef - The Horny Tourny) (2 days) @ Milton Keynes Nottingham Outdoors (2 days) @ Nottingham Saturday 24 May 1997 GB Open Team practice (2 days) @ London (Note may be Sat/Sun OR Sun/Mon) Saturday 31 May 1997 BUF Tour III (2 days) @ Swindon June 1997 --------- Saturday 7 June 1997 Red Co-ed Outdoors (2 days) @ Countesthorpe, Leicester Saturday 14 June 1997 Exeter Hat Tourny (2 days) @ Exter Sunday 15 June 1997 GB Open Team practice (1 day) @ TBA Saturday 21 June 1997 BUF Tour IV : Southampton Outdoors (2 days) @ Southampton July 1997 --------- Saturday 5 July 1997 BUF Tour V (2 days) @ Double Locks, Exeter Friday 11 July 1997 Warwick Bears 21st Reunion (3 days) TBC @ University of Warwick Sunday 13 July 1997 GB Open Team practice (1 day) @ TBA (Warwick?) Sunday 27 July 1997 World Ultimate Club Championships (WUCC'97) (7 days) (Non-UK event) @ Vancouver, CA August 1997 ----------- Sunday 10 August 1997 GB Open Team practice (1 day) @ TBA Saturday 16 August 1997 Ross-on-Wye (2 days) TBC @ Ross-On-Wye! Saturday 23 August 1997 1997 BDGA Championships (2 days) (Non-Ultimate) TBC Sunday 24 August 1997 EFDF European Ultimate Championships (7 days) @ Millfield School, Street, Somerset, UK September 1997 -------------- Thursday 11 September 1997 British Open (4 days) Saturday 27 September 1997 BUF National Finals (outdoor) (2 days) @ Time is running out for anyone interested in hosting this! October 1997 ------------ Saturday 25 October 1997 BUF Regional Championships (3 REGIONS) (2 days) @ ***TDs required*** (date is flexible) --------------------------------------------------------------- British Ultimate Federation Disc Events Diary http://www.csv.warwick.ac.uk:5201/cgi-bin/diary Ranulf Doswell, ralf@dcs.warwick.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Mar 31 13:45:31 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id NAA21838; Mon, 31 Mar 1997 13:24:49 +0100 (BST) Received: from black.csi.cam.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id NAA21832; Mon, 31 Mar 1997 13:24:44 +0100 (BST) Received: from [131.111.99.219] [131.111.99.220] by black.csi.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.58 #1) id 0wBg8e-0004Oi-00; Mon, 31 Mar 1997 13:24:42 +0100 X-Sender: ms223@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 12:31:15 +0100 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: ms223@cam.ac.uk (Mindy Sobota) Subject: rules question Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Here's a (probably ignorant) question about WFDF Pick rules. If you don't want to think about this, delete now. The rules as I've studied them (WFDF rules, BUF web pages) seem to say that if a pick is called _after the throw_, and the disc is caught by the team _not_ calling pick, then play stops, and resumes after a check with the disc posessed where it was caught. (404.14 C, Picks and 404.17 B1, Play continuation) But what if pick is called _after the throw_ and the disc is caught for a score? Obviously, if the score was made possible by a defender getting picked, the disc "should" go back to thrower. But I can't seem to find anything in the rules to support this, in fact the Play Continuation Rule seems to contradict this .... What am I missing? The rules in question: 404.14 C Picks: No player may establish a position or move in such a manner, so as to obstruct the movement of any player on the opposing team. In the event of a pick, the obstructed player shall immediately call, "pick" loudly. Play shall then be stopped and resumed after a check, with the count resuming from the point of interruption or to five is the count is over five. The Continuation rule applies only to the _next_ catch after the pick call. 404.17 Stoppage of Play B) Play Continuation rule 1) If a foul, violation or pick is called while the disc is in the air, play continues until posession of the disc is gained. (I've omitted sub-entries not directly relevant to the question, but the entries I've listed are complete) Thanks in advance for any help anyone can offer! Yours in Spirit, Luke Walden >-`o_ o~~~ Only Connect. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Apr 1 10:38:44 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id KAA17395; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 10:15:50 +0100 (BST) Received: from dira.bris.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id KAA17387; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 10:15:44 +0100 (BST) Received: from mail.bris.ac.uk by dira.bris.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Tue, 1 Apr 1997 10:15:16 +0100 Received: from [137.222.156.56] (langah21.lang.bris.ac.uk [137.222.156.56]) by mail.bris.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA03144 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 10:14:23 +0100 (BST) Date: Tue, 01 Apr 1997 09:13:01 +0000 From: Raf.Freire@Bristol.ac.uk Subject: Re: rules question To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk As its a university holiday today...heres an answer to your question What happens when a pick is called is not complicated really. If a pick is called the disc goes back to the thrower, whether it was in the air or not. The only exception is if the D gets the interception, in which case if the disc was in the air when 'pick'was called then the play stands (it is polite for the team that made the interception to shout 'play on' in these instances). If the interception was made but 'pick' was called while the disc was still in the thrower's hand then it is not a turn-over (as the offence had possession when the pick was called). Continuation can be called by the team that calls a pick (its a bit like withdrawing the pick call), though it is not usual to do so (it's likely to confuse your team mates). What actually constitutes a pick is an altogether much harder question which the rules duly address by being especially vague (' No player may establish a position or move in such a manner, so as to obstruct the movement of any player on the opposing team'). If you want to take this up as a discussion topic then please do as it will improve understanding of what your rights to space and movement while on the pitch are (whether on O or D). Rafi (shotgun) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Apr 1 11:13:00 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id KAA20096; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 10:52:03 +0100 (BST) Received: from ritig1.rit.reuters.com by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id KAA20082; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 10:51:57 +0100 (BST) Received: from ritig4.rit.reuters.com by ritig1.rit.reuters.com; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/14Sep94-0947PM) id AA20124; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 04:50:04 -0500 Received: from mr.rit.reuters.com by RITIG4.RIT.REUTERS.COM (PMDF V5.1-8 #7805) id <01IH6G4B43WW002MUZ@RITIG4.RIT.REUTERS.COM> for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 04:49:05 EST Received: with PMDF-MR; Tue, 01 Apr 1997 10:48:45 +0000 (GMT) Mr-Received: by mta REC.MUAS; Relayed; Tue, 01 Apr 1997 10:48:45 +0000 Mr-Received: by mta RE6; Relayed; Tue, 01 Apr 1997 10:48:46 +0000 Mr-Received: by mta RITIG4; Relayed; Tue, 01 Apr 1997 09:48:52 +0000 Disclose-Recipients: prohibited Date: Tue, 01 Apr 1997 10:48:45 +0000 (GMT) From: Patrick Moore 5884 Subject: 1997 WFDF Rules To: Britdisc Message-Id: <1045481001041997/A04580/RE6/11B40AB02C00*@MHS> Autoforwarded: false Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Importance: normal Sensitivity: Company-Confidential Ua-Content-Id: 11B40AB02C00 X400-Mts-Identifier: [;1045481001041997/A04580/RE6] Hop-Count: 2 Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Can anybody answer any of the following questions: 1. Have the 1997 WFDF Rules been published yet? 2. If so, are they available on the Web? 3. If so, where? Any advice would be much appreciated. Patrick -- patrick.moore@reuters.com From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Apr 1 11:48:48 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id LAA22874; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 11:25:40 +0100 (BST) Received: from clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA22870; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 11:25:37 +0100 (BST) From: dmurray@soton.ac.uk Received: from acacia.sucs.soton.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA24140; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 11:25:33 +0100 (BST) Received: from ash.sucs.soton.ac.uk (ash.sucs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.128.88]) by acacia.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.2/server) with ESMTP id LAA07812 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 11:25:31 +0100 (BST) Received: (from dmurray@localhost) by ash.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.4/client) id LAA24417 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 11:25:30 +0100 (BST) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 11:25:30 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199704011025.LAA24417@ash.sucs.soton.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Wayne Davey X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk I urgently need to get in touch with Wayne Davey Does anyone have a phone number for him in his new flat cheers Dave Murray From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Apr 1 12:31:32 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id MAA26421; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 12:08:43 +0100 (BST) Received: from nessie.mcc.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id MAA26411; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 12:08:39 +0100 (BST) Received: from ccg.acu.man.ac.uk by nessie.mcc.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Tue, 1 Apr 1997 12:07:22 +0100 Received: from cc:Mail by ccg.acu.man.ac.uk (1.30/SMTPLink) id A20870; Tue, 01 Apr 97 11:05:26 GMT Date: Tue, 01 Apr 97 11:05:26 GMT From: Rob Mitchell Message-ID: <9704011105.A20870@ccg.acu.man.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Re[2]: rules question Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Text item: Text_1 wrt Rafi's answer: so, if 'pick' is called with the disc in the air then the O player fluffs the catch, the disc goes back to the thrower? rob, chevron From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Apr 1 14:45:19 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id OAA07094; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 14:18:59 +0100 (BST) Received: from wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id OAA07090; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 14:18:55 +0100 (BST) Received: by wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk (UK-Smail 3.1.25.1/15) id ; Tue, 1 Apr 97 14:18 BST Message-Id: Date: Tue, 1 Apr 97 14:18 BST From: mackay@mrao.cam.ac.uk (David J.C. MacKay) To: admrwm@ccg.acu.man.ac.uk, britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Re: Re[2]: rules question Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk I will try to finish off this pick question by summarising and filling out what Rafi said. The following is taken from http://wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk/ultimate/rules.html NOTE: the UPA rules differ from the WFDF rules. I will give both versions. In the UK we play WFDF. Picks A pick is called when a defender is unable to follow the offensive player he/she is marking. The important issues to get clear are: * Whether you should carry on playing the disc, if it is in the air. YES if you don't know that the pick was called *before* the throw [wfdf], YES always [upa]. [As a rule of thumb, always play out whatever play is in the air, then have a discussion after.] * What happens then, if the pass is incomplete / complete to the picking offensive player / complete to another offensive player. [wfdf] Once the play is completed you figure out if the pick call was before or after the throw. IF it was BEFORE the throw, then play should have stopped, and the disc should not have been thrown, and the disc *always* goes back to the thrower, whether or not the pass was incomplete. IF the pick call was AFTER the pass was thrown then: incomplete pass or interecepted pass -> turnover; complete pass -> back to thrower; UNLESS the pick call was irrelevant to the play (e.g., the pass went to *another* offensive player in another direction), in which case the completed pass stands, and play resumes with a check. [UPA] Any incomplete pass is a turn-over; complete passes go back to thrower unless the play was unaffected by the pick. -------------------------------------------------------- Having hopefully ended this thread, I would like to start another one. Last season, a certain junior player, with the support of his team, strongly advocated `view A': "if a player runs off the field and then back onto the field, they are ineligible to receive the next pass." Just to make clear the situation, our player, Jim K., ran down the line, taking some steps off the field, then ran back on the field, then received the disc, i.e. both points of contact *immediately before* and *immediately after* the catch were in bounds. Having read the rules carefully I think that the above play IS legitimate, and that `view A' above is a myth that needs to be wiped out. This issue spoilt the spirit of at least one game last year, and I would like to see it sorted out before Ultim8 gets going. See you in Hitchin! David Strange Blue ========================================================================== David J.C. MacKay email: mackay@mrao.cam.ac.uk www: http://wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk/mackay/ Cavendish Laboratory, tel: (01223) 339852 fax: 354599 home: 276411 Madingley Road, international code: +44 1223 Cambridge CB3 0HE. U.K. room: 982 Rutherford Building From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Apr 1 16:42:22 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id OAA10239; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 14:42:05 +0100 (BST) Received: from tay.ed-coll.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id OAA10234; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 14:42:01 +0100 (BST) Received: from ed-coll.ac.uk ([194.82.165.16]) by tay.ed-coll.ac.uk (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with SMTP id AAA1292 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 14:43:14 +0100 Received: from Telford-Message_Server by ed-coll.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 01 Apr 1997 14:44:54 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Tue, 01 Apr 1997 14:44:25 +0100 From: Fraser Macrae To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Re: Re[2]: rules question (Pick) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk wrt Rob's question... Not sure. Can the defense decline the pick call the same as a travel call and claim the turnover if the disc is not caught? I also remember reading somewhere (reference to problems in the US) that pick calls ought to be ignored if they do not interfere with the current play. This was to stop dodgy pick calls intended to stop play when teams are breaking away up field quickly and allow teams to mark up again and also called to stop the disc flowing into the zone. I can't remember this ever happening in the UK but as it relates to Rob's question I thought I'ld mention it. Fraser (Sneeeky's) >>> Rob Mitchell 04/01/97 12:05pm >>> Text item: Text_1 wrt Rafi's answer: so, if 'pick' is called with the disc in the air then the O player fluffs the catch, the disc goes back to the thrower? rob, chevron From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Apr 1 19:29:11 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id RAA29031; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 17:28:36 +0100 (BST) Received: from clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id RAA29018; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 17:28:32 +0100 (BST) Received: from ritig1.rit.reuters.com by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id RAA05305; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 17:27:36 +0100 (BST) Received: from ritig4.rit.reuters.com by ritig1.rit.reuters.com; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/14Sep94-0947PM) id AA02117; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 11:24:40 -0500 Received: from mr.rit.reuters.com by RITIG4.RIT.REUTERS.COM (PMDF V5.1-8 #7805) id <01IH6TV29BXS00005C@RITIG4.RIT.REUTERS.COM>; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 11:23:28 EST Received: with PMDF-MR; Tue, 01 Apr 1997 17:23:07 +0000 (GMT) Mr-Received: by mta REC.MUAS; Relayed; Tue, 01 Apr 1997 17:23:07 +0000 Mr-Received: by mta RE6; Relayed; Tue, 01 Apr 1997 17:23:09 +0000 Mr-Received: by mta RITIG4; Relayed; Tue, 01 Apr 1997 16:23:20 +0000 Disclose-Recipients: prohibited Date: Tue, 01 Apr 1997 17:23:07 +0000 (GMT) From: Patrick Moore 5884 Subject: Re: Rules question - running out and then back in In-Reply-To: To: Britdisc Cc: David Mackay Message-Id: <1607231701041997/A10292/RE6/11B40C570600*@MHS> Autoforwarded: false Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Importance: normal Sensitivity: Company-Confidential Ua-Content-Id: 11B40C570600 X400-Mts-Identifier: [;1607231701041997/A10292/RE6] Hop-Count: 2 Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk David Mackay wrote: >Having hopefully ended this thread, I would like to start another >one. Last season, a certain junior player, with the support of >his team, strongly advocated > >`view A': > "if a player runs off the field and then back onto the > field, they are ineligible to receive the next pass." > > Just to make clear the situation, our player, Jim K., >ran down the line, taking some steps off the field, then ran >back on the field, >then received the disc, i.e. both points of contact *immediately before* >and *immediately after* the catch were in bounds. >Having read the rules carefully I think that the above play >IS legitimate, and that `view A' above is a myth that needs to be >wiped out. >This issue spoilt the spirit of at least one game last year, and I would >like to see it sorted out before Ultim8 gets going. Being OLD and (metaphorically) grey, I think I can shed some light on this: The "certain junior player" and his team are several years out of date, but the call they made was actually correct at some point in the early nineties. I think it lasted exactly one edition of the WFDF rules before being removed, on the grounds that it, and the resulting effect on the game, were completely CRAP!!! I very much hope that your team won the argument, as you were certainly in the right according to current rules. I also hope that nobody is going to suggest that this rule (i.e. the old one) be included as part of the tournament rules for Ultim8. Regards, Patrick -- patrick.moore@reuters.com From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Apr 1 23:27:09 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id VAA15669; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 21:04:52 +0100 (BST) Received: from clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id VAA15664; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 21:04:49 +0100 (BST) Received: from black.csi.cam.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id RAA05404; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 17:30:13 +0100 (BST) Received: from [131.111.99.206] [131.111.99.206] by black.csi.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.58 #1) id 0wC6NB-00016f-00; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 17:25:27 +0100 X-Sender: ms223@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 16:32:00 +0100 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: ms223@cam.ac.uk (Mindy Sobota) Subject: pick rules Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Cheers, Rafi! Your explanation is good and fits with the way the game is always played. The Continuation Rule wording is vague enough that I'm not 100% convinced it really _says_ what we think it should say... but it would be crazy to play any other way than the way you described, so I'll leave off picking at the technical wording. The definition of what constitutes a pick _is_ pretty vague. Does that mean that it's not a pick if the defender is obstructed by another defender (who might have been lead to obstruct by chasing after the offense)? Does it mean that offense could be calling picks also? Common sense would answer "no" to both those questions, but it's unsettling that the rule itself seems so open to interpretation. Any thoughts, anyone? Luke Walden Strange Blue >-`o_ o~~~ Only Connect. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Apr 2 00:02:14 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id XAA28871; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 23:46:25 +0100 (BST) Received: from dns0.curved-logic.com by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id XAA28822; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 23:46:17 +0100 (BST) Received: from pc15.curved-logic.com by dns0.curved-logic.com id aa21489; 1 Apr 97 15:29 GMT Received: by pc15.curved-logic.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BC3EAF.63BF1F80@pc15.curved-logic.com>; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 15:14:27 +0100 Message-ID: <01BC3EAF.63BF1F80@pc15.curved-logic.com> From: Kevin Lowe To: "'Britdisc'" Subject: Re: Rules Question 2 Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 15:14:24 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Since I was kind of involved in this argument with Dave, I'll put my = tuppence worth in=20 now. I'd actually had this 'discussion' with some Druids just before = this, to find out the=20 'internationally agreed' view. As a result, I stayed out of the on-pitch = argument, still=20 unsure about this rule. The situation, as described by Dave, was that a player ran out of bounds = while=20 chasing the disc. He caught it in bounds (having taken off from in = bounds as well), but=20 the question is whether he was making a play on the disc while chasing = it. The rules=20 state, "Receiving players may not go out-of-bounds to make a play on the = disc". The junior in question made this call, as he learnt it in 1994 playing = against Sweden.=20 One of the GB Juniors was attempting to catch an overhead, and he = stepped outside=20 of the pitch while the disc was in the air, before coming back in bounds = to make the=20 catch. The Swedish juniors called it even before he attempted to catch = the disc. As far=20 as they were concerned, if he went outside the pitch, he must not = influence the play=20 until the disc was caught. I think the problem is how to define 'making = a play on the disc'.=20 As to whether it should have been called is a totally different matter. = The spirit in this=20 game was not good. Both teams have good spirit records, but that seems = to go out of=20 the window whenever they meet each other. I really don't know why, but = we have=20 vowed to change this next time we meet. The problem here is that some players believe that rules should be = observed, whatever=20 the game. This was not GB Juniors Vs Sweden, but if they don't make the = calls (and=20 have them made against them) in general games, they will get even more = walked over=20 internationally. The same argument applies to dropping the pull. If it = doesn't get called,=20 no one learns. Sure, if they were inexperienced, explain it, and let = them off, but if it's=20 in the rules, and it's likely that it would be called by another team, = you've got to learn. I hope this rule does get cleared up. It's one that's confused me for = years. It's worse indoors, when you consider the walls being out of = bounds. Should you be allowed to push yourself away from the wall to = make a cut? Can you be leaning against a wall when you catch a disc? Or = as any Shotgun player would say, "Who cares? Get outside, get a life!". = Thank God indoors is over for another season. Kevin. --=20 | E-mail Kev@Curved-logic.com Phone (+44)1244-382371 | Silence is better than unmeaning words - Pythagoras From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Apr 2 00:07:38 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id XAA28914; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 23:46:35 +0100 (BST) Received: from relay-finch.mail.demon.net by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id XAA28890; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 23:46:26 +0100 (BST) Received: from phidelta.demon.co.uk ([158.152.248.177]) by relay-finch.mail.demon.net id aa0017450; 1 Apr 97 22:21 BST Date: Tue, 01 Apr 1997 21:56:09 GMT From: Layout Dreams Reply-To: LayoutDreams@phidelta.demon.co.uk Message-Id: <5610@phidelta.demon.co.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Cc: c.hughes1@livjm.ac.uk Subject: Tour I: info, directions, etc X-Organisation: Layout Dreams X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Lines: 53 Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Tour I, Hitchin is this coming weekend. Directions/maps/info has been sent to the attending teams (as per the list below) as known so far. Some of it went in the post this morning (Tuesday), hopefully the others were received this morning. IMPORTANT: The schedule is not yet written - it's subject to confirmation of entrants' ranking and any additional entrants. To this end the captain's meeting is at 9.00am and will involve the scheduling being distributed. BE THERE! ACCOMODATION: The Village Hall option is no longer possible - we've met our cancellation deadline and cancelled. There's a B+B list on the web at http://www.phidelta.demon.co.uk/accom.htm or you are welcome to bring tents and camp if you haven't sorted anything else out. Any questions??? Chris' phone numbers are: home 0151 944 2629 work 0151 231 2474 Entrants (subject to increase when Dora gets back from Italy and/or Chris receiving more cheques) 1 Catch 22 2 Strange Blue 3 Jedi Children 4 Fluid Druids 5 Village People 6 Shotgun 7 Bliss 8 Skuawks (?) [Skunks/Mohawks] 9 Stan 10 First Touch 11 Floating Bloke [graduate Phat 'Eds] 12 Sneeekys 13 Headrush 14 Red Jesters 15 Chevron Action Flash 16 Sharks I 17 Sharks II 18 Hurricaine 19 Playthings 20 Blue Arse Flies 21 Violently Happy - TBC 22 23 24 This list compiled before Chris started chasing people at 10.00pm Tuesday. _____________________________________________________________________________ Chris Hughes layoutDREAMS Wayne Retter +44/0-151-994-2629 LayoutDreams@phidelta.demon.co.uk +44/0-1737-242109 http://www.phidelta.demon.co.uk/layout.htm From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Apr 2 00:43:23 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id AAA05414; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 00:24:23 +0100 (BST) Received: from wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id AAA05404; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 00:24:18 +0100 (BST) Received: by wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk (UK-Smail 3.1.25.1/15) id ; Wed, 2 Apr 97 00:24 BST Message-Id: Date: Wed, 2 Apr 97 00:24 BST From: mackay@mrao.cam.ac.uk (David J.C. MacKay) To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk, kevin.lowe@curved-logic.com Subject: Re: Rules Question 2 Cc: mackay@mrao.cam.ac.uk Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk >> The rules state, "Receiving players may >> not go out-of-bounds to make a play on the disc". Yes, I agree, the rules say this, and it seems ambiguous what it means. However, let's look at the big picture. This means reading the next two sentences in the rules. Here they are. Receiving Players: Receiving players may not go out-of-bounds to make a play on the disc. For a receiver to be considered in-bounds at the time of gaining possession of the disc, the player's first point of contact with the ground must be completely in-bounds. If any portion of the first point of contact is out-of-bounds, the player is considered out-of-bounds. Definition Player: A player is out-of-bounds whenever he is contacting an out-of-bounds area. When a player is in the air, whether he is in or out-of-bounds is determined by where he last contacted the ground. I think this makes it pretty clear. The first part of this paragraph, quoted by Kevin, says "receiver may not go out bounds to make a play". You ask `but what does that mean?' The second part says what the definition of "out of bounds" is. Why is this definition given here? I think it is given in order to *explain* the first sentence `Receiving players may not go out-of-bounds...' So my interpretation of the sentence quoted by Kevin is this: Imagine you are defining the rules of ultimate to someone. One of the basic rules you will tell them is "The offence cannot go and run off the playing field". I think that this is all that is being explained. It is a basic rule stating that you can't go touch the disc off the field. If there really *were* still a rule about being ineligible to receive the disc until the next pass, the rules would surely spell this out? As it is, I reckon the rules say "You can't receive out of bounds; the definition of out of bounds is that the current / previous ground contact was out of bounds, and when you receive the disc your the next ground contact must be in bounds too." I found Patrick's old grey comments on this very helpful. In case anyone wants to be reminded of what he said, I'm logging this correspondence here: http://wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk/ultimate/eligible.txt All the best, David From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Apr 2 00:43:38 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id AAA05976; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 00:29:09 +0100 (BST) Received: from easynet.co.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id AAA05966; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 00:29:02 +0100 (BST) Received: (qmail 28665 invoked from network); 1 Apr 1997 14:29:29 -0000 Received: from larry.texcel.co.uk (HELO texcel.no) (195.40.103.11) by kiwi.easynet.co.uk with SMTP; 1 Apr 1997 14:29:29 -0000 Received: from andrea by texcel.no (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id PAA08014; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 15:25:45 +0100 Received: from konishi by andrea (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id PAA00489; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 15:23:04 +0100 Message-ID: <33411A47.60C@texcel.no> Date: Tue, 01 Apr 1997 15:23:03 +0100 From: Neil Travers Organization: Texcel (UK) Ltd. X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (X11; I; SunOS 5.5 sun4m) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Re: rules question References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk David J.C. MacKay wrote: > UNLESS the pick call was irrelevant to the play (e.g., the pass > went to *another* offensive player in another direction), in which case the > completed pass stands, and play resumes with a check. I think I agreed with the rest of you mail, but I must disagree with this. The WFDF rules do NOT say anything about whether the pick affected play or not. The throw should go back even if the pick was in a completely different direction. Of course a lot of team will allow the play to stand if it turns out the pick was irrelevant. and started a new thread: > `view A': > "if a player runs off the field and then back onto the > field, they are ineligible to receive the next pass." The rules do not support this view at all (as you thought). It is only your current points of contact, or if in the air your previous and next point of contact, that need to be considered. The rules for this are: 404.06 Out-of-Bounds: C. Receiving Players: Receiving players may not go out-of-bounds to make a play on the disc. For a receiver to be considered in-bounds at the time of gaining possession of the disc, the player's first point of contact with the ground must be completely in-bounds. If any portion of the first point of contact is out-of-bounds, the player is considered out-of-bounds. D. Definition Player: A player is out-of-bounds whenever he is contacting an out-of-bounds area. When a player is in the air, whether he is in or out-of-bounds is determined by where he last contacted the ground. -- Neil Travers - work Texcel (UK) Ltd, Braywick House West, Maidenhead, SL6 1DN, UK. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Apr 2 01:03:59 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id AAA07911; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 00:46:08 +0100 (BST) Received: from relay-finch.mail.demon.net by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id AAA07900; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 00:46:02 +0100 (BST) Received: from phidelta.demon.co.uk ([158.152.248.177]) by relay-finch.mail.demon.net id aa0015010; 1 Apr 97 21:07 BST Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 21:58:01 GMT From: Wayne Retter Reply-To: Wayne@phidelta.demon.co.uk Message-Id: <5588@phidelta.demon.co.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Outdoor Ultimate X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Lines: 59 Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Well, looks like the Outdoor season is off to a reasonable start, with at least 5 British teams travelling to foreign shores to play. DUBLIN Over the Easter weekend, the Pookas (Dublin) Pookas held their tournament, if I remember correctly, the results were: 1 First Touch 2 Mr Men 3 Thurdays (older Pookas) 4 Pookas 5 (another Trinity College team, whose name escapes me!) 6 Stirling After a Round Robin on Saturday, Mr Men emerged unbeaten, and were scheduled to play First Touch in a Sunday morning final, at a planned late (11am!) start from which First Touch emerged victorious. The planned Nations section of the tournament was hastily revised when it was realised that the teams would emerge as very similar in composition to those in Saturdays' play - becoming instead a 4 team hat under gloriously sunny skies. Our thanks to Peter Benisson for his part on setting it all up, despite his running away to France, and Simon Cocking and Jo for running the show on the day. The party was great - Guinness (the real, Irish Guinness!), girls singing in harmony, more Guiness, a Samba drum band - and the tournament was spirited. Best of luck to the Pookas/Trinity College Ultimate, they've now expanded to 3 outdoor teams in just over a year, I look forward to your trip over for Ross and thanks for a great weekend. Wayne Retter Mr Men (shaking off the mantle of being a Druid for the weekend) AND FURTHER AFIELD: and for those of you not on EuroDisc, Miscione(\Jumpi) writes: > Hi everyone, > 1997 Paganello's just finished! > These are the first results: > OPEN: > 1 Mir > 2 Wall City > 3 Team 42 > 4 Zamperl [ ....] > 19 Mohawks [ ....] > 22 Strange Blue > 23 OW! [ .... to 28] Mohawks, Strange Blue, OW!(assuming this is the Oxford OW!), tell us more.... -------------------------- Wayne Retter Wayne@phidelta.demon.co.uk http://www.phidelta.demon.co.uk/ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Apr 2 01:48:02 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id BAA11974; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 01:26:19 +0100 (BST) Received: from wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id BAA11968; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 01:26:15 +0100 (BST) Received: by wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk (UK-Smail 3.1.25.1/15) id ; Wed, 2 Apr 97 01:26 BST Message-Id: Date: Wed, 2 Apr 97 01:26 BST From: mackay@mrao.cam.ac.uk (David J.C. MacKay) To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk, neil@texcel.no Subject: Re: rules question Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Neil said: >> I must disagree with >> this. The WFDF rules do NOT say anything about whether the pick >> affected play or not. The throw should go back even if the pick was in >> a completely different direction. Of course a lot of team will allow >> the play to stand if it turns out the pick was irrelevant. Interesting! You are right.... Even more interesting, If we read the UPA rules, we find this is spelt out some more: ----- Notice part (3) ---- 2. Continuation Rule: A. Disc In the Air (1) If a foul, violation, or pick is called while the disc is in the air, the play is always completed. (2) If the team which called the foul, violation, or pick gains possession as a result of that pass (e.g., an incomplete pass following a traveling violation, or offensive foul), play continues unhalted. In this situation, players should call "play on." (3) If the pass is completed, but the defensive effort on the pass was affected by the violation (e.g. picks), the pass does not count and possession reverts back to the thrower. It says "if the defensive effort was affected by the pick then it goes back to thrower;" implying, I guess, that if it was unaffected, the disc does *not* go back. So, Neil is right -- what I said is correct for UPA rules but it is not mentioned in WFDF rules. Often, WFDF rules are modified to match UPA rules, so it may be that this part of the wfdf rules will change in the next edition. (The UPA rule above is a recent modification to the UPA rules.) Anyway, that's the way it stands at the moment. Does anyone still want to know where the up to date rules are? I hunted around on the web and found the official WFDF and UPA rules. I copied them to wol also, so you can take your pick from the following links: Rules of Ultimate | WFDF version | Cambridge Idiots' version | Britdisc discussion | Britdisc discussion | UPA version | UPA master copy | wfdf master copy | Yours David ========================================================================== David J.C. MacKay email: mackay@mrao.cam.ac.uk www: http://wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk/mackay/ Cavendish Laboratory, tel: (01223) 339852 fax: 354599 home: 276411 Madingley Road, international code: +44 1223 Cambridge CB3 0HE. U.K. room: 982 Rutherford Building From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Apr 2 15:57:03 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id PAA23768; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 15:27:16 +0100 (BST) Received: from venus.le.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id PAA23759; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 15:27:12 +0100 (BST) Received: from hawk.le.ac.uk by venus.le.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Wed, 2 Apr 1997 15:25:21 +0100 Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 15:25:18 +0100 (BST) From: Scott X-Sender: iws1@hawk To: britdisc Subject: Tour II - Leicester... coming soon Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Dear BDers, As you all know the tour is up and running and starts in Hitchen this weekend. Two weeks later sees tour two at Leicester in a new location than previous Leicester tournaments. For those who have been wondering official invites will be given out at Hitchen as well as be posted here, at a web site and by snail mail. Of course the Ultim-8 tour office will decide the actual entrants and after Hitchen we will know those who have the automatic places and those who have reserve spots, hence we are waiting until then to ask you for money! The tournament will be played on Victoria Park - 5 mins walk from the Train Station and right in the Heart of Leicester. There will be eight pitches and a maximum of 24 teams. We will have a marquee and Physio-therapists on sight. Evening entertainment has been booked in a local night-club which will be exclusive to Ultimate Players and feature some cracking live music. There will be limited accommodation on floors at players houses (enough for about 8 teams) and a list of B&B's will be provided with the invite information. If you haven't already paid your deposit to Dora at Ultim-8 head office, you had better do so now. See you at Hitchen Scott Red Jesters /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ SCOTT: Ian Scotland Tel: 0116 2525824 Fax: 0116 2523154 E-mail: iws1@le.ac.uk http://wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk/buf/ /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Apr 3 12:03:39 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id LAA11652; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 11:39:33 +0100 (BST) Received: from violet.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA11645; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 11:39:28 +0100 (BST) Received: from admin.warwick.ac.uk by violet.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA09959; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 11:39:13 +0100 (BST) Received: from SIGMA/MERCURY by admin.warwick.ac.uk (Mercury 1.21); 3 Apr 97 11:39:40 +0000 Received: from MERCURY by SIGMA (Mercury 1.21); 3 Apr 97 11:39:16 +0000 From: "DEREK ROBINS" Organization: University of Warwick, CV4 7AL, UK To: eurodisc@ira.uka.de, britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 11:39:11 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Want to buy "Frisbee"? X-mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.1 (R1a) Message-ID: Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk This message was forwarded to the Freestyle mailing list and I'm forwarding it to britdisc and eurodisc. I presume "AC" is Arthur Coddington who works for Mattel promoting Frisbee. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mattel has confirmed that they are putting their Sports Division up for sale. That includes the Frisbee brand. During the selling process, Mattel Sports will continue to do business. Frisbee discs will continue to be manufactured, shipped and sold, and custom orders will still be available through Discovering The World. Most sponsorships and promotional programs are on hold, but the World Junior Frisbee disc Contest will continue this spring and summer. The fate of the World Junior Frisbee disc Championships, which was to be held during the US Open, will probably be determined by the buyer of Frisbee. AC >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> end of forwarded message *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*- Derek Robins | | D.J.Robins@admin.warwick.ac.uk Management Accountant | | Tel 01203 523523 x22710 Finance Office | | Fax 01203 524573 University of Warwick | | Room 343 Coventry CV4 7AL | | Senate House *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*- From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Apr 4 13:18:25 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id MAA05893; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 12:46:57 +0100 (BST) From: Wayne_Retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk Received: from sys3.cambridge.uk.psi.net by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id MAA05883; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 12:46:51 +0100 (BST) Received: from sys2.london2.uk.psi.net (sys2.london2.uk.psi.net [154.32.110.6]) by sys3.cambridge.uk.psi.net (8.8.4/) with ESMTP id MAA19365 for ; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 12:46:50 +0100 (BST) Received: from rwatson.UUCP by sys2.london2.uk.psi.net (8.8.4/SMI-5.5-UKPSINet) id MAA27876; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 12:35:12 +0100 (BST) Received: from cc:Mail by rwatson.watsonwyatt.co.uk id AA860184992 Fri, 04 Apr 97 12:16:32 Date: Fri, 04 Apr 97 12:16:32 Message-Id: <9703048601.AA860184992@rwatson.watsonwyatt.co.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Tour I: Hitchin - Pitches/Weather Report Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk PITCHES: The going is good but firm - having been out to look at the pitches, Chris doesn't recommend long studs, but rather turf boots / Sharks / PitBulls. WEATHER: For what it's worth, the forecast is good, not too hot, not too cold, bit of a breeze. Then again, today (in Hitchin) it's just about possible to go sunbathing, but the forecast was for overcast, possible rain, due to an approaching front. Wayne Retter Layout Dreams at work: wayne_retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Apr 4 13:18:38 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id MAA06900; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 12:56:42 +0100 (BST) Received: from [137.205.222.1] by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id MAA06893; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 12:56:34 +0100 (BST) X-Sender: serai@mail.csv.warwick.ac.uk Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 12:58:18 +0100 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: D.P.Neilson@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Dave Neilson) Subject: Virgin Info! Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk A few years ago, either the BUF or else the GB National Ultimate (Open) Team approached Virgin about a sponsorship deal. It was around the time that Richard Branson was attempting to cross the Atlantic in a balloon ... does anyone remember this? Anyway, I believe that the approach involved some very professional presentations being made to either Branson himself or someone high up in Virgin and I would like to find out: A) Who put the presentations together; B) The name of the Virgin contact. If you know anything about this yourself, or just know someone who might know more, then please send me your information. Mail direct to: D.P.Neilson@warwick.ac.uk Thanks for your time. Sam Neilson. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Apr 4 14:51:57 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id OAA16384; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 14:31:03 +0100 (BST) Received: from irwell.zetnet.co.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id OAA16348; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 14:30:49 +0100 (BST) Received: (from root@localhost) by irwell.zetnet.co.uk (8.7.6/8.7.3) id OAA04289; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 14:30:46 +0100 Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk [137.205.192.19]) by irwell.zetnet.co.uk (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA23533 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 23:49:34 +0100 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id OAA07094; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 14:18:59 +0100 (BST) Received: from wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id OAA07090; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 14:18:55 +0100 (BST) Received: by wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk (UK-Smail 3.1.25.1/15) id ; Tue, 1 Apr 97 14:18 BST Message-Id: Date: Tue, 1 Apr 97 14:18 BST From: mackay@mrao.cam.ac.uk (David J.C. MacKay) To: admrwm@ccg.acu.man.ac.uk, britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Re: Re[2]: rules question Status: RO Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk I will try to finish off this pick question by summarising and filling out what Rafi said. The following is taken from http://wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk/ultimate/rules.html NOTE: the UPA rules differ from the WFDF rules. I will give both versions. In the UK we play WFDF. Picks A pick is called when a defender is unable to follow the offensive player he/she is marking. The important issues to get clear are: * Whether you should carry on playing the disc, if it is in the air. YES if you don't know that the pick was called *before* the throw [wfdf], YES always [upa]. [As a rule of thumb, always play out whatever play is in the air, then have a discussion after.] * What happens then, if the pass is incomplete / complete to the picking offensive player / complete to another offensive player. [wfdf] Once the play is completed you figure out if the pick call was before or after the throw. IF it was BEFORE the throw, then play should have stopped, and the disc should not have been thrown, and the disc *always* goes back to the thrower, whether or not the pass was incomplete. IF the pick call was AFTER the pass was thrown then: incomplete pass or interecepted pass -> turnover; complete pass -> back to thrower; UNLESS the pick call was irrelevant to the play (e.g., the pass went to *another* offensive player in another direction), in which case the completed pass stands, and play resumes with a check. [UPA] Any incomplete pass is a turn-over; complete passes go back to thrower unless the play was unaffected by the pick. -------------------------------------------------------- Having hopefully ended this thread, I would like to start another one. Last season, a certain junior player, with the support of his team, strongly advocated `view A': "if a player runs off the field and then back onto the field, they are ineligible to receive the next pass." Just to make clear the situation, our player, Jim K., ran down the line, taking some steps off the field, then ran back on the field, then received the disc, i.e. both points of contact *immediately before* and *immediately after* the catch were in bounds. Having read the rules carefully I think that the above play IS legitimate, and that `view A' above is a myth that needs to be wiped out. This issue spoilt the spirit of at least one game last year, and I would like to see it sorted out before Ultim8 gets going. See you in Hitchin! David Strange Blue ========================================================================== David J.C. MacKay email: mackay@mrao.cam.ac.uk www: http://wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk/mackay/ Cavendish Laboratory, tel: (01223) 339852 fax: 354599 home: 276411 Madingley Road, international code: +44 1223 Cambridge CB3 0HE. U.K. room: 982 Rutherford Building From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Apr 4 14:52:10 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id OAA16780; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 14:33:05 +0100 (BST) Received: from irwell.zetnet.co.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id OAA16347; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 14:30:49 +0100 (BST) Received: (from root@localhost) by irwell.zetnet.co.uk (8.7.6/8.7.3) id OAA04295; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 14:30:46 +0100 Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk [137.205.192.19]) by irwell.zetnet.co.uk (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA24260 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 23:57:50 +0100 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id OAA10239; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 14:42:05 +0100 (BST) Received: from tay.ed-coll.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id OAA10234; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 14:42:01 +0100 (BST) Received: from ed-coll.ac.uk ([194.82.165.16]) by tay.ed-coll.ac.uk (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with SMTP id AAA1292 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 14:43:14 +0100 Received: from Telford-Message_Server by ed-coll.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 01 Apr 1997 14:44:54 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Tue, 01 Apr 1997 14:44:25 +0100 From: Fraser Macrae To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Re: Re[2]: rules question (Pick) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Status: RO Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk wrt Rob's question... Not sure. Can the defense decline the pick call the same as a travel call and claim the turnover if the disc is not caught? I also remember reading somewhere (reference to problems in the US) that pick calls ought to be ignored if they do not interfere with the current play. This was to stop dodgy pick calls intended to stop play when teams are breaking away up field quickly and allow teams to mark up again and also called to stop the disc flowing into the zone. I can't remember this ever happening in the UK but as it relates to Rob's question I thought I'ld mention it. Fraser (Sneeeky's) >>> Rob Mitchell 04/01/97 12:05pm >>> Text item: Text_1 wrt Rafi's answer: so, if 'pick' is called with the disc in the air then the O player fluffs the catch, the disc goes back to the thrower? rob, chevron From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Apr 4 14:52:44 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id OAA16366; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 14:30:59 +0100 (BST) Received: from irwell.zetnet.co.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id OAA16298; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 14:30:32 +0100 (BST) Received: (from root@localhost) by irwell.zetnet.co.uk (8.7.6/8.7.3) id OAA04242; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 14:30:31 +0100 Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (daemon@pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk [137.205.192.19]) by irwell.zetnet.co.uk (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA29181 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 12:10:25 +0100 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id LAA22874; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 11:25:40 +0100 (BST) Received: from clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA22870; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 11:25:37 +0100 (BST) From: dmurray@soton.ac.uk Received: from acacia.sucs.soton.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA24140; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 11:25:33 +0100 (BST) Received: from ash.sucs.soton.ac.uk (ash.sucs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.128.88]) by acacia.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.2/server) with ESMTP id LAA07812 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 11:25:31 +0100 (BST) Received: (from dmurray@localhost) by ash.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.4/client) id LAA24417 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 11:25:30 +0100 (BST) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 11:25:30 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199704011025.LAA24417@ash.sucs.soton.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Wayne Davey X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Status: RO Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk I urgently need to get in touch with Wayne Davey Does anyone have a phone number for him in his new flat cheers Dave Murray From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Apr 4 14:55:42 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id OAA16312; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 14:30:40 +0100 (BST) Received: from irwell.zetnet.co.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id OAA16297; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 14:30:32 +0100 (BST) Received: (from root@localhost) by irwell.zetnet.co.uk (8.7.6/8.7.3) id OAA04239; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 14:30:31 +0100 Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (daemon@pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk [137.205.192.19]) by irwell.zetnet.co.uk (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA26787 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 11:37:39 +0100 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id KAA20096; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 10:52:03 +0100 (BST) Received: from ritig1.rit.reuters.com by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id KAA20082; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 10:51:57 +0100 (BST) Received: from ritig4.rit.reuters.com by ritig1.rit.reuters.com; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/14Sep94-0947PM) id AA20124; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 04:50:04 -0500 Received: from mr.rit.reuters.com by RITIG4.RIT.REUTERS.COM (PMDF V5.1-8 #7805) id <01IH6G4B43WW002MUZ@RITIG4.RIT.REUTERS.COM> for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 04:49:05 EST Received: with PMDF-MR; Tue, 01 Apr 1997 10:48:45 +0000 (GMT) Mr-Received: by mta REC.MUAS; Relayed; Tue, 01 Apr 1997 10:48:45 +0000 Mr-Received: by mta RE6; Relayed; Tue, 01 Apr 1997 10:48:46 +0000 Mr-Received: by mta RITIG4; Relayed; Tue, 01 Apr 1997 09:48:52 +0000 Disclose-Recipients: prohibited Date: Tue, 01 Apr 1997 10:48:45 +0000 (GMT) From: Patrick Moore 5884 Subject: 1997 WFDF Rules To: Britdisc Message-Id: <1045481001041997/A04580/RE6/11B40AB02C00*@MHS> Autoforwarded: false Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Importance: normal Sensitivity: Company-Confidential Ua-Content-Id: 11B40AB02C00 X400-Mts-Identifier: [;1045481001041997/A04580/RE6] Hop-Count: 2 Status: RO Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Can anybody answer any of the following questions: 1. Have the 1997 WFDF Rules been published yet? 2. If so, are they available on the Web? 3. If so, where? Any advice would be much appreciated. Patrick -- patrick.moore@reuters.com From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Apr 4 14:55:55 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id OAA16770; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 14:33:05 +0100 (BST) Received: from irwell.zetnet.co.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id OAA16349; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 14:30:49 +0100 (BST) Received: (from root@localhost) by irwell.zetnet.co.uk (8.7.6/8.7.3) id OAA04299; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 14:30:47 +0100 Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk [137.205.192.19]) by irwell.zetnet.co.uk (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA24264 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 23:57:56 +0100 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id RAA29031; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 17:28:36 +0100 (BST) Received: from clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id RAA29018; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 17:28:32 +0100 (BST) Received: from ritig1.rit.reuters.com by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id RAA05305; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 17:27:36 +0100 (BST) Received: from ritig4.rit.reuters.com by ritig1.rit.reuters.com; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/14Sep94-0947PM) id AA02117; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 11:24:40 -0500 Received: from mr.rit.reuters.com by RITIG4.RIT.REUTERS.COM (PMDF V5.1-8 #7805) id <01IH6TV29BXS00005C@RITIG4.RIT.REUTERS.COM>; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 11:23:28 EST Received: with PMDF-MR; Tue, 01 Apr 1997 17:23:07 +0000 (GMT) Mr-Received: by mta REC.MUAS; Relayed; Tue, 01 Apr 1997 17:23:07 +0000 Mr-Received: by mta RE6; Relayed; Tue, 01 Apr 1997 17:23:09 +0000 Mr-Received: by mta RITIG4; Relayed; Tue, 01 Apr 1997 16:23:20 +0000 Disclose-Recipients: prohibited Date: Tue, 01 Apr 1997 17:23:07 +0000 (GMT) From: Patrick Moore 5884 Subject: Re: Rules question - running out and then back in In-Reply-To: To: Britdisc Cc: David Mackay Message-Id: <1607231701041997/A10292/RE6/11B40C570600*@MHS> Autoforwarded: false Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Importance: normal Sensitivity: Company-Confidential Ua-Content-Id: 11B40C570600 X400-Mts-Identifier: [;1607231701041997/A10292/RE6] Hop-Count: 2 Status: RO Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk David Mackay wrote: >Having hopefully ended this thread, I would like to start another >one. Last season, a certain junior player, with the support of >his team, strongly advocated > >`view A': > "if a player runs off the field and then back onto the > field, they are ineligible to receive the next pass." > > Just to make clear the situation, our player, Jim K., >ran down the line, taking some steps off the field, then ran >back on the field, >then received the disc, i.e. both points of contact *immediately before* >and *immediately after* the catch were in bounds. >Having read the rules carefully I think that the above play >IS legitimate, and that `view A' above is a myth that needs to be >wiped out. >This issue spoilt the spirit of at least one game last year, and I would >like to see it sorted out before Ultim8 gets going. Being OLD and (metaphorically) grey, I think I can shed some light on this: The "certain junior player" and his team are several years out of date, but the call they made was actually correct at some point in the early nineties. I think it lasted exactly one edition of the WFDF rules before being removed, on the grounds that it, and the resulting effect on the game, were completely CRAP!!! I very much hope that your team won the argument, as you were certainly in the right according to current rules. I also hope that nobody is going to suggest that this rule (i.e. the old one) be included as part of the tournament rules for Ultim8. Regards, Patrick -- patrick.moore@reuters.com From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Apr 4 14:59:19 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id OAA16379; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 14:31:01 +0100 (BST) Received: from irwell.zetnet.co.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id OAA16326; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 14:30:46 +0100 (BST) Received: (from root@localhost) by irwell.zetnet.co.uk (8.7.6/8.7.3) id OAA04264; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 14:30:44 +0100 Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (daemon@pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk [137.205.192.19]) by irwell.zetnet.co.uk (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA31964 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 12:52:19 +0100 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id MAA26421; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 12:08:43 +0100 (BST) Received: from nessie.mcc.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id MAA26411; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 12:08:39 +0100 (BST) Received: from ccg.acu.man.ac.uk by nessie.mcc.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Tue, 1 Apr 1997 12:07:22 +0100 Received: from cc:Mail by ccg.acu.man.ac.uk (1.30/SMTPLink) id A20870; Tue, 01 Apr 97 11:05:26 GMT Date: Tue, 01 Apr 97 11:05:26 GMT From: Rob Mitchell Message-ID: <9704011105.A20870@ccg.acu.man.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Re[2]: rules question Status: RO Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Text item: Text_1 wrt Rafi's answer: so, if 'pick' is called with the disc in the air then the O player fluffs the catch, the disc goes back to the thrower? rob, chevron From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Apr 4 14:59:58 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id OAA16389; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 14:31:03 +0100 (BST) Received: from irwell.zetnet.co.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id OAA16342; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 14:30:48 +0100 (BST) Received: (from root@localhost) by irwell.zetnet.co.uk (8.7.6/8.7.3) id OAA04292; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 14:30:46 +0100 Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk [137.205.192.19]) by irwell.zetnet.co.uk (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA24203 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 23:57:00 +0100 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id VAA15669; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 21:04:52 +0100 (BST) Received: from clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id VAA15664; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 21:04:49 +0100 (BST) Received: from black.csi.cam.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id RAA05404; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 17:30:13 +0100 (BST) Received: from [131.111.99.206] [131.111.99.206] by black.csi.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.58 #1) id 0wC6NB-00016f-00; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 17:25:27 +0100 X-Sender: ms223@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 16:32:00 +0100 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: ms223@cam.ac.uk (Mindy Sobota) Subject: pick rules Status: RO Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Cheers, Rafi! Your explanation is good and fits with the way the game is always played. The Continuation Rule wording is vague enough that I'm not 100% convinced it really _says_ what we think it should say... but it would be crazy to play any other way than the way you described, so I'll leave off picking at the technical wording. The definition of what constitutes a pick _is_ pretty vague. Does that mean that it's not a pick if the defender is obstructed by another defender (who might have been lead to obstruct by chasing after the offense)? Does it mean that offense could be calling picks also? Common sense would answer "no" to both those questions, but it's unsettling that the rule itself seems so open to interpretation. Any thoughts, anyone? Luke Walden Strange Blue >-`o_ o~~~ Only Connect. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Apr 4 15:02:49 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id OAA16673; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 14:32:19 +0100 (BST) Received: from irwell.zetnet.co.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id OAA16359; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 14:30:50 +0100 (BST) Received: (from root@localhost) by irwell.zetnet.co.uk (8.7.6/8.7.3) id OAA04315; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 14:30:48 +0100 Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (daemon@pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk [137.205.192.19]) by irwell.zetnet.co.uk (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA28630 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 00:56:06 +0100 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id AAA05976; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 00:29:09 +0100 (BST) Received: from easynet.co.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id AAA05966; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 00:29:02 +0100 (BST) Received: (qmail 28665 invoked from network); 1 Apr 1997 14:29:29 -0000 Received: from larry.texcel.co.uk (HELO texcel.no) (195.40.103.11) by kiwi.easynet.co.uk with SMTP; 1 Apr 1997 14:29:29 -0000 Received: from andrea by texcel.no (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id PAA08014; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 15:25:45 +0100 Received: from konishi by andrea (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id PAA00489; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 15:23:04 +0100 Message-ID: <33411A47.60C@texcel.no> Date: Tue, 01 Apr 1997 15:23:03 +0100 From: Neil Travers Organization: Texcel (UK) Ltd. X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (X11; I; SunOS 5.5 sun4m) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Re: rules question References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk David J.C. MacKay wrote: > UNLESS the pick call was irrelevant to the play (e.g., the pass > went to *another* offensive player in another direction), in which case the > completed pass stands, and play resumes with a check. I think I agreed with the rest of you mail, but I must disagree with this. The WFDF rules do NOT say anything about whether the pick affected play or not. The throw should go back even if the pick was in a completely different direction. Of course a lot of team will allow the play to stand if it turns out the pick was irrelevant. and started a new thread: > `view A': > "if a player runs off the field and then back onto the > field, they are ineligible to receive the next pass." The rules do not support this view at all (as you thought). It is only your current points of contact, or if in the air your previous and next point of contact, that need to be considered. The rules for this are: 404.06 Out-of-Bounds: C. Receiving Players: Receiving players may not go out-of-bounds to make a play on the disc. For a receiver to be considered in-bounds at the time of gaining possession of the disc, the player's first point of contact with the ground must be completely in-bounds. If any portion of the first point of contact is out-of-bounds, the player is considered out-of-bounds. D. Definition Player: A player is out-of-bounds whenever he is contacting an out-of-bounds area. When a player is in the air, whether he is in or out-of-bounds is determined by where he last contacted the ground. -- Neil Travers - work Texcel (UK) Ltd, Braywick House West, Maidenhead, SL6 1DN, UK. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Apr 4 15:03:28 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id OAA16412; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 14:31:05 +0100 (BST) Received: from irwell.zetnet.co.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id OAA16351; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 14:30:49 +0100 (BST) Received: (from root@localhost) by irwell.zetnet.co.uk (8.7.6/8.7.3) id OAA04304; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 14:30:48 +0100 Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (daemon@pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk [137.205.192.19]) by irwell.zetnet.co.uk (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA25457 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 00:13:30 +0100 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id XAA28871; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 23:46:25 +0100 (BST) Received: from dns0.curved-logic.com by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id XAA28822; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 23:46:17 +0100 (BST) Received: from pc15.curved-logic.com by dns0.curved-logic.com id aa21489; 1 Apr 97 15:29 GMT Received: by pc15.curved-logic.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BC3EAF.63BF1F80@pc15.curved-logic.com>; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 15:14:27 +0100 Message-ID: <01BC3EAF.63BF1F80@pc15.curved-logic.com> From: Kevin Lowe To: "'Britdisc'" Subject: Re: Rules Question 2 Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 15:14:24 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Status: RO Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Since I was kind of involved in this argument with Dave, I'll put my = tuppence worth in=20 now. I'd actually had this 'discussion' with some Druids just before = this, to find out the=20 'internationally agreed' view. As a result, I stayed out of the on-pitch = argument, still=20 unsure about this rule. The situation, as described by Dave, was that a player ran out of bounds = while=20 chasing the disc. He caught it in bounds (having taken off from in = bounds as well), but=20 the question is whether he was making a play on the disc while chasing = it. The rules=20 state, "Receiving players may not go out-of-bounds to make a play on the = disc". The junior in question made this call, as he learnt it in 1994 playing = against Sweden.=20 One of the GB Juniors was attempting to catch an overhead, and he = stepped outside=20 of the pitch while the disc was in the air, before coming back in bounds = to make the=20 catch. The Swedish juniors called it even before he attempted to catch = the disc. As far=20 as they were concerned, if he went outside the pitch, he must not = influence the play=20 until the disc was caught. I think the problem is how to define 'making = a play on the disc'.=20 As to whether it should have been called is a totally different matter. = The spirit in this=20 game was not good. Both teams have good spirit records, but that seems = to go out of=20 the window whenever they meet each other. I really don't know why, but = we have=20 vowed to change this next time we meet. The problem here is that some players believe that rules should be = observed, whatever=20 the game. This was not GB Juniors Vs Sweden, but if they don't make the = calls (and=20 have them made against them) in general games, they will get even more = walked over=20 internationally. The same argument applies to dropping the pull. If it = doesn't get called,=20 no one learns. Sure, if they were inexperienced, explain it, and let = them off, but if it's=20 in the rules, and it's likely that it would be called by another team, = you've got to learn. I hope this rule does get cleared up. It's one that's confused me for = years. It's worse indoors, when you consider the walls being out of = bounds. Should you be allowed to push yourself away from the wall to = make a cut? Can you be leaning against a wall when you catch a disc? Or = as any Shotgun player would say, "Who cares? Get outside, get a life!". = Thank God indoors is over for another season. Kevin. --=20 | E-mail Kev@Curved-logic.com Phone (+44)1244-382371 | Silence is better than unmeaning words - Pythagoras From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Apr 4 15:03:50 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id OAA16769; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 14:33:05 +0100 (BST) Received: from irwell.zetnet.co.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id OAA16378; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 14:30:53 +0100 (BST) Received: (from root@localhost) by irwell.zetnet.co.uk (8.7.6/8.7.3) id OAA04307; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 14:30:48 +0100 Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (daemon@pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk [137.205.192.19]) by irwell.zetnet.co.uk (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA25861 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 00:17:30 +0100 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id XAA28914; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 23:46:35 +0100 (BST) Received: from relay-finch.mail.demon.net by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id XAA28890; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 23:46:26 +0100 (BST) Received: from phidelta.demon.co.uk ([158.152.248.177]) by relay-finch.mail.demon.net id aa0017450; 1 Apr 97 22:21 BST Date: Tue, 01 Apr 1997 21:56:09 GMT From: Layout Dreams Reply-To: LayoutDreams@phidelta.demon.co.uk Message-Id: <5610@phidelta.demon.co.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Cc: c.hughes1@livjm.ac.uk Subject: Tour I: info, directions, etc X-Organisation: Layout Dreams X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Lines: 53 Status: RO Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Tour I, Hitchin is this coming weekend. Directions/maps/info has been sent to the attending teams (as per the list below) as known so far. Some of it went in the post this morning (Tuesday), hopefully the others were received this morning. IMPORTANT: The schedule is not yet written - it's subject to confirmation of entrants' ranking and any additional entrants. To this end the captain's meeting is at 9.00am and will involve the scheduling being distributed. BE THERE! ACCOMODATION: The Village Hall option is no longer possible - we've met our cancellation deadline and cancelled. There's a B+B list on the web at http://www.phidelta.demon.co.uk/accom.htm or you are welcome to bring tents and camp if you haven't sorted anything else out. Any questions??? Chris' phone numbers are: home 0151 944 2629 work 0151 231 2474 Entrants (subject to increase when Dora gets back from Italy and/or Chris receiving more cheques) 1 Catch 22 2 Strange Blue 3 Jedi Children 4 Fluid Druids 5 Village People 6 Shotgun 7 Bliss 8 Skuawks (?) [Skunks/Mohawks] 9 Stan 10 First Touch 11 Floating Bloke [graduate Phat 'Eds] 12 Sneeekys 13 Headrush 14 Red Jesters 15 Chevron Action Flash 16 Sharks I 17 Sharks II 18 Hurricaine 19 Playthings 20 Blue Arse Flies 21 Violently Happy - TBC 22 23 24 This list compiled before Chris started chasing people at 10.00pm Tuesday. _____________________________________________________________________________ Chris Hughes layoutDREAMS Wayne Retter +44/0-151-994-2629 LayoutDreams@phidelta.demon.co.uk +44/0-1737-242109 http://www.phidelta.demon.co.uk/layout.htm From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Apr 4 18:49:15 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id SAA15121; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 18:28:27 +0100 (BST) Received: from master by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id SAA15105; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 18:28:12 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 4 Apr 97 19:24 GMT-0100 X-Sender: miscio@infotel.it X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: P.Boalch@pmms.cam.ac.uk From: miscio@infotel.it (Miscione (Jumpi)) Subject: SPECIAL THANKS Cc: david.cullen@st-edmund-hall.oxford.ac.uk, mmup9@central.susx.ac.uk, jaymeen.patel@exeter.oxford.ac.uk, dak12@cus.cam.ac.uk, UNWIN@lfderby.demon.co.uk, britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk, kevinbr@epunix.susx.ac.uk Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi there, Yes, Paganello is over, we're all so sad, the beach is so desolated without discs, music and all of you. It was such a joy to have so many teams here and it's impossible to say who's my favourite one, but, but i'd like to thank especially the teams from England: Superfly Nottingham, Strange Blue Cambridge, Mohawks Brighton and OW! Oxford. You know, down here we're used to play and meet most of the times german teams and i'm not lying when i say you guys brought something special to the Paganello. I saw you dancing at the saturday night party after the concert, i saw that strange race after 'Oxbridge', i saw you showing your bottoms at the awards ceremony, i saw your great Spirit and in any case it was great you took the plane or drove 1500 km. to be here. Thank you very much indeed! I hope to see you again here on the beach! I'd really like to come to your fucking island to play in some english tourney and i probably will before i get too old. That's all folks! Ciao a tutti! JUmpi From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Apr 7 08:11:31 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id HAA19950; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 07:48:19 +0100 (BST) Received: from crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id HAA19946; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 07:48:15 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 07:48:13 +0100 (BST) From: Mr R C Doswell Message-Id: <14231.199704070648@crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Received: by crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk id HAA14231; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 07:48:13 +0100 (BST) To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: BUF Events Reminder Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk British Ultimate Federation Disc Events Diary --------------------------------------------- April 1997 ---------- Sunday 13 April 1997 GB Open & Women Team practices (1 day) @ Witney Saturday 19 April 1997 BUF Tour II : Leicester Outdoors (2 days) @ Victoria Park, Leicester St Andrews Indoor Tournament (2 days) @ St Andrews Saturday 26 April 1997 Student Outdoors (2 days) @ Southampton May 1997 -------- Saturday 3 May 1997 BUF National Junior Outdoors (2 days) @ Gosport, Hampshire Freezzz Beezzz 5th International Outdoor Ultimate Tournament (2 days) (Non-UK event) @ Brugge, BE Sunday 4 May 1997 GB Open Team practice (1 day) @ Warwick Saturday 17 May 1997 Kowpat '97 (Spice Beef - The Horny Tourny) (2 days) @ Milton Keynes Nottingham Outdoors (2 days) @ Nottingham Saturday 24 May 1997 GB Open Team practice (2 days) @ London (Note may be Sat/Sun OR Sun/Mon) Saturday 31 May 1997 BUF Tour III (2 days) @ Swindon June 1997 --------- Saturday 7 June 1997 Red Co-ed Outdoors (2 days) @ Countesthorpe, Leicester Saturday 14 June 1997 Exeter Hat Tourny (2 days) @ Exter Sunday 15 June 1997 GB Open Team practice (1 day) @ TBA Saturday 21 June 1997 BUF Tour IV : Southampton Outdoors (2 days) @ Southampton July 1997 --------- Saturday 5 July 1997 BUF Tour V (2 days) @ Double Locks, Exeter Friday 11 July 1997 Warwick Bears 21st Reunion (3 days) TBC @ University of Warwick Sunday 13 July 1997 GB Open Team practice (1 day) @ TBA (Warwick?) Sunday 27 July 1997 World Ultimate Club Championships (WUCC'97) (7 days) (Non-UK event) @ Vancouver, CA August 1997 ----------- Sunday 10 August 1997 GB Open Team practice (1 day) @ TBA Saturday 16 August 1997 Ross-on-Wye (2 days) TBC @ Ross-On-Wye! Saturday 23 August 1997 1997 BDGA Championships (2 days) (Non-Ultimate) TBC Sunday 24 August 1997 EFDF European Ultimate Championships (7 days) @ Millfield School, Street, Somerset, UK September 1997 -------------- Thursday 11 September 1997 British Open (4 days) Saturday 27 September 1997 BUF National Finals (outdoor) (2 days) @ Time is running out for anyone interested in hosting this! October 1997 ------------ Saturday 25 October 1997 BUF Regional Championships (3 REGIONS) (2 days) @ ***TDs required*** (date is flexible) --------------------------------------------------------------- British Ultimate Federation Disc Events Diary http://www.csv.warwick.ac.uk:5201/cgi-bin/diary Ranulf Doswell, ralf@dcs.warwick.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Apr 7 14:16:47 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id NAA01064; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 13:54:19 +0100 (BST) From: BAIBA.M@diena.org.lv Received: from mail.latnet.lv by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id NAA01021; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 13:54:03 +0100 (BST) Received: from mail.diena.org.lv ([159.148.131.30]) by mail.latnet.lv (8.X.Y/8.7.1) with ESMTP id PAA10439 for ; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 15:48:36 +0300 (EET DST) Received: from KOPNIS/SpoolDir by mail.diena.org.lv (Mercury 1.21); 7 Apr 97 15:56:09 EET Received: from SpoolDir by KOPNIS (Mercury 1.21); 7 Apr 97 15:55:37 EET Organization: A/S Diena To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 15:55:34 EET Subject: Greetings X-mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.22 Message-ID: <1C623747605@mail.diena.org.lv> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Dear colleagues! My name is Dainis Dambenieks. I am from Latvia. My friend Paul Eriksson in Stokholm Sweden resommendet me to contakt you. I am a student in the Academyof the Sport Education plus this I work with frisbee in Latvia. Next year will be last on for my studies in the Academy. I do my bachalaur work about frisbee. My probleme is - I do not have more materials. The title is: "F. - a mean to develop physical qualities at school." Would you be so kind, please, to help me with this, or you can find some frisbee fan or student who can & wants to do it so to have new friend in Latvia. Next, concreat information I will send you or somebody after your answer. I realy hope to hear from you soon. Thank you! Dainis Dambenieks From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Apr 7 14:37:37 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id OAA04106; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 14:16:15 +0100 (BST) Received: from amsta.leeds.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id OAA04094; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 14:16:05 +0100 (BST) Received: from newton.leeds.amsta (newton.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.64]) by amsta.leeds.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA08740 for ; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 14:16:09 +0100 (BST) Received: by newton.leeds.amsta (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id OAA08090; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 14:16:35 +0100 Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 14:16:35 +0100 From: amtsjh@amsta.leeds.ac.uk (S J Hill) Message-Id: <199704071316.OAA08090@newton.leeds.amsta> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Hitchin. The Tour is underway.... X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hello This isn't a regular tourney report, but I thought (and I could be wrong) that people might like to know how things went from the tour perspective. But first the results - then you don't have to look at the rest of it if you can't be arsed. I have included the no. of ranking points that each team scores from the tourney. (NB - with places 13-23 being taken from results from pools that finished in such a way as to need points diff. to be used, etc - and then Chris counting wrong! - the positions initially given out yesterday were not right.) BUF Ultim-8 Tour I - Hitchin ---------------------------- Pos. Team Points 1. Shotgun 160 2. Catch 22 140 3. Druids 120 4. Stan 105 Spirit Winners -------------------------------------- 5. Oxford Ultimate I 90 6. Chevron Action Flash 75 7. Violently Happy 60 8. First Touch 50 9. Strange Blue 40 10. Headrush 30 11. Red Jesters 25 12. Squawks 20 -------------------------------------- 13. Village People 18 14. Floating Bloke 16 15. Sneeeky's 14 16. Playthings 12 17. Jedi Children 10 18. SLUT 8 19. Oxford Ultimate II 6 20. Blue Arse Flies 5 21. Bliss 4 22. Hurricane 3 23. Superfly 2 (Only 23 teams entered.) The tourney itself: Saturday - VERY windy. Sunday - no wind (and some SUN!) Shotgun beaten in domestic tournament for the first time since June 95 (?) - but then go on to win comfortably on Sunday brushing aside Druids and then Catch who capitalised on the change in weather conditions to make their first Open final. The old Sharks and Monks merge to form the Oxford Super-Club (yet to be named) - and then get it together remarkably quickly to beat the strong-looking Chevron in the game for 5th. First Touch win their cross-over in to the top 8 but will unfortunately lose out in Leicester because of the appearance of Shotgun II for the rest of the tour! Village People (without their inspirational leader Guru Stu!) won the Sunday competition for 13th place. A few other points... I think the new format was met with approval on the whole - of course having 23 teams makes things more complicated - congrats to Chris Hughes for coming up with a very workable and sensible solution - even if it did make his "brain" hurt. All the teams at this tournament played as ROSTERED teams - which is good to see. And there weren't many problems. Teams seem be taking the idea on board and sorting themselves out. The only problems really only relate to World Club teams and players - and these would happen anyway because of the WFDF rules about WUCC. There were 9 full size, marked pitches. On Sunday we had scoreboards (the wind on Saturday would have destroyed them!) Expect pitch-side water and sports massage(!) to appear in Leicester. I think there was some confusion over the fact that people had different game lengths in different sections of the tournament, but that will improve. On the down-side - especially after the fuss made of spirit at Nationals... Teams were given score-sheets this w/e to fill in. This worked on the whole. The sheet for Sunday included a space for team's spirit votes. Not all of these were given in. Whilst the TDs tried to find people to collect spirit votes from each team individually they could not find everyone. I don't know of many players that don't attach great prestige to winning spirit at a tourney - esp. a big tourney - and yet so many of us are too lazy to fill in a sheet of paper and leave it with the TD. WHY? I should say that MOST teams voted - but a handful didn't - which is a shame. I'm sure other people will have things to say from their perspective so I'll leave it there... see you in Leicester for round 2. Just for interest teams that have so far entered Leicester (which can take 24 teams) are (in the order they paid): Catch 22, Stange Blue, Jedi Children, Druids, Village People, Shotgun I and II, Bliss, Stan, First Touch, Floating Bloke, Sneeeky's, Chevron AF, Uriel, Oxford Ultimate I, Squawks, Twin Peaks. >From what I am told by other teams - there will not be any space by the end of the week - at which point we will be able to tell everyone who gets in on the basis of ranking, paying in time etc etc. Cheers Si Hill From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Apr 7 17:57:18 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id RAA01957; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 17:32:11 +0100 (BST) Received: from gcsin1.gecm.com by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id RAA01919; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 17:31:48 +0100 (BST) Received: from gcsin3.geccs.gecm.com by gcsin1.gecm.com; (5.65/1.1.8.2/13Mar95-0121PM) id AA04310; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 17:23:32 +0100 Received: from gcschm.geccs.gecm.com by gcsin3.geccs.gecm.com; (5.65/1.1.8.2/13Mar95-1139AM) id AA07392; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 17:23:31 +0100 Alternate-Recipient: prohibited Disclose-Recipients: prohibited Content-Return: prohibited Date: Mon, 07 Apr 1997 17:22:59 +0000 (GMT) From: Giles Stoddard 0181 420 3845 Subject: SLUT To: Paul Holden , Patrick Moore 5884 , britdisc , Nigel Craig <106146.605@compuserve.com>, Bobby Soni Message-Id: <8659221707041997/A05705/PLANET/11B43C563B00*@MHS> Autoforwarded: false Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Importance: normal Ua-Content-Id: 11B43C563B00 X400-Mts-Identifier: [;8659221707041997/A05705/PLANET] Hop-Count: 2 Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Has SLUT paid to enter for the Leicester tournament? Could someone please mail me the name and address of the person who the cheque should be sent to. I am happy to pay for it if no-one else has done yet. Apparently we did not pay for the Hitchin tounament, so who was responsible for that? Has this been sorted out? Cheers, Giles giles.stoddard@gecm.com Wk: 0181 420 3845 Hm: 0181 385 7562 From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Apr 8 10:48:44 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id KAA00472; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 10:20:52 +0100 (BST) Received: from versailles.quidnunc.com by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id KAA00468; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 10:20:49 +0100 (BST) Received: by versailles.quidnunc.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.993.5) id <01BC4406.D3DF98B0@versailles.quidnunc.com>; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 10:22:57 +0100 Message-ID: From: Neil Cooper To: "'britdisc'" Subject: Rotterdam (travel) Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 10:22:55 +0100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.993.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk For those who are interested ...... 72 quid all in from London City Airport - Air UK (0345) 666777 Coops #14 Headrush (Back outdoors and loving it) ( I also believe that you can now get the Rotterdam 'ticket' currency direct from Thomas Cook. Cut out these stupid dutch guilders etc ... :-> ) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Apr 8 12:27:12 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id LAA12430; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 11:58:51 +0100 (BST) From: dmurray@soton.ac.uk Received: from acacia.sucs.soton.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA12417; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 11:58:46 +0100 (BST) Received: from oak.sucs.soton.ac.uk (oak.sucs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.128.89]) by acacia.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.2/server) with ESMTP id LAA10229 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 11:58:45 +0100 (BST) Received: (from dmurray@localhost) by oak.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.4/client) id LAA05154 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 11:58:43 +0100 (BST) Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 11:58:43 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199704081058.LAA05154@oak.sucs.soton.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Paul Dickenson X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi trying to find Paul dickenson PLayed for UTi last summer think may be at loughboro uni if you know him please can you get him to phone me on 01703 594880 cheers Dave Murray UTI From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Apr 8 12:28:34 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id MAA13993; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 12:12:52 +0100 (BST) Received: from lehman.Lehman.COM by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id MAA13985; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 12:12:46 +0100 (BST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by lehman.Lehman.COM (8.7.5/8.6.12) id HAA19464; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 07:11:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unknown(146.127.39.20) by lehman via smap (V1.3) id tmp019462; Tue Apr 8 07:11:25 1997 Received: from london123.lehman.com by relay.lehman.com (4.1/LB-0.6) id AA19837; Tue, 8 Apr 97 07:11:19 EDT Received: from london123 (localhost) by london123.lehman.com (4.1/Lehman Bros. V1.6) id AA28636; Tue, 8 Apr 97 12:10:42 BST Message-Id: <334A27B1.2D857063@lehman.com> Date: Tue, 08 Apr 1997 12:10:41 +0100 From: Aram Flores Organization: Lehman Brothers, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (X11; I; SunOS 4.1.3 sun4m) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Cc: Andy Lucey , Aram Flores , Christian Nistri , Garret Crosby , Jonathan Schofield , "Milne, Douglas M" , Neil Haliday , NICHOLAS HASLAM <101327.3637@compuserve.com>, Nick Cash , Nolan Taylor , Ollie Watson , Oz Freire , Pete Harvey , Rafi Freire , Roger Thomson , "S.R.X.Dall" , Sean Young , Simon Moore , Steve Young Subject: Clapham Practices / Summer League References: <199704071316.OAA08090@newton.leeds.amsta> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Attention London Ultimate Players, Shotgun Ultimate, a friendly South London Ultimate team, is shifting its training sessions from Tooting Bec Athletic Track to Clapham Common. At the same time we, along with our friends the Lurkers, will be hosting a "summer-league" on Clapham Common. Details below: Tuesday nights beginning April 29th at 6:45pm SUMMER LEAGUE - ALL WELCOME - EVEN COMPLETE BEGINNERS Thursday nights beginning April 17th at 6:30pm SHOTGUN TRAINING - INVITATION ONLY (In the near term we will welcome all experienced players, but as WUCC approaches we will close these sessions. For more info please contact your local friendly Shotgun player.) Location: Clapham Common, by Eagle pond just off Clapham Common Southside. Closest Tube: Northern Line - Clapham South Station Closest Pub: Windmill pub on the common See you there, Aram From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Apr 8 13:18:50 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id NAA20047; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 13:02:15 +0100 (BST) Received: from pp2.shef.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id NAA20036; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 13:02:12 +0100 (BST) Received: from dovestone.shef.ac.uk by pp2.shef.ac.uk with local SMTP (PP); Tue, 8 Apr 1997 13:02:10 +0100 Received: from DOVESTONE/MAILQUEUE by dovestone.shef.ac.uk (Mercury 1.21); 8 Apr 97 13:00:54 +0100 Received: from MAILQUEUE by DOVESTONE (Mercury 1.30); 8 Apr 97 13:00:49 +0100 From: "J.Helmer" To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 13:00:44 +0100 Subject: Floating Bloke X-mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.31 Message-ID: Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Floating Bloke is the new team formed by the Phat Eds players who are graduating this year.Phat Eds will remain as the Sheffield University team name. The contact address for Floating Bloke is: Jamie Helmer 323A Ecclesall Road Sheffield S11 8NX Tel:(0114)2679098 E-Mail:j.helmer@sheffield.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Apr 8 15:55:29 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id PAA09072; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 15:29:31 +0100 (BST) Received: from polaris.kbw.co.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id PAA09062; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 15:29:24 +0100 (BST) Received: from RUKBAT (RUKBAT [194.70.193.70]) by polaris.kbw.co.uk (NTMail 3.02.10) with ESMTP id oa006280 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 15:29:21 +0100 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970408153336.00975be0@mail> X-Sender: roger@mail X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 08 Apr 1997 15:33:37 +0100 To: eurodisc@kbw.co.uk From: Roger Thomson Subject: Don't worry - Penpal won't hurt you Cc: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Please can we stop sending these hoax emails to Eurodisc or Britdisc. They're all hoaxes. We've had several sent to Eurodisc now (Remember Good Times?), and I'm sure it's only time before someone sends one to Britdisc. They only scare off naive users and bore people who've had hundreds of these emails kindly forwarded by concerned friends. You CAN get infected by running programs or examining documents sent as attachments but you CANNOT get viruses from reading the content of those mails - the protocol used is secure. Roger SHOTGUN P.S. If anyone requires further assistance, takes issue with these comments, plays for the Airbreakers and knows why my team hasn't received confirmation of our entry yet, needs some software development or consultancy doing, or knows the subject and wants a job in London - contact me at this email address or through my company's web site at http://www.kbw.co.uk. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Apr 10 17:30:33 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id RAA25474; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 17:02:32 +0100 (BST) Received: from ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id RAA25468; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 17:02:29 +0100 (BST) Received: from caj1.arch.cam.ac.uk [131.111.34.20] by ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.61 #3) id 0wFMIs-0004eT-00; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 17:02:27 +0100 Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 17:07:50 GMT From: "Dora A. Kemp" To: Subject: Calling Superfly X-Mailer: Mulberry [1.0.1, s/n #10001] X-Authenticated: dak12 by imap.cus.cam.ac.uk X-Licensed-To: University of Cambridge MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Could whomever is organizing Superfly in Sam's absence please contact me as soon as possible. Dora Kemp Ultim-8 Treasurer Whatever does good should be held in honour, and the only shame is in doing harm. - Plato McDonald Institute for Archaeological Research Downing Street, Cambridge, England, CB2 3ER (01223) 339336; (01223) 333536 (FAX)/(01223) 339285; dak12@cam.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Apr 10 20:45:53 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id UAA19064; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 20:32:03 +0100 (BST) Received: from relay-11.mail.demon.net by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id UAA19051; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 20:31:58 +0100 (BST) Received: from sdc1.demon.co.uk ([194.222.153.201]) by relay-11.mail.demon.net id aa1107025; 10 Apr 97 20:21 BST Message-ID: Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 20:20:40 +0100 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: Simon Church Reply-To: Simon Church Subject: BUF Safety Policy MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Version 3.02 Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Oh well, I know this is asking for trouble but ... We had this idea, that it would be helpful if the BUF had a safety policy. To give you some ground rules before you get to see the first draft: a) Firstly, we do not expect it to be all encompassing. What we are after is something simple, that covers the basics of what we think playing the game safely is about. b) We are aiming at something that will fit on one side A4. c) It is not something that will be binding on tournament organisers. The idea is that people are reminded of things they should be thinking about when organising Ultimate games. O.K. the following is what we have thrown together, and seems to cover most areas. Any sensible additions or deletions will be considered before a decision is made to present a final draft to the exec. I tell you now, any excessively long suggestions will be deleted unread! What we are after is constructive critisism... Ultimate Safety Policy 1. The Pitch i) (Outdoors) The Pitch should be set a safe distance of 5m away from any fixed object such as a tree or fence. It should be level with no ruts or potholes in the surface and firm enough to allow safe play. Any points of potential problems (e.g. goalpost holes) that cannot be avoided should be marked. If the ground slopes the pitch should run, if possible, across the slope. It should be clear of any dangerous litter such as broken glass or cans. Corner markers should be clearly visible, flexible and not firmly secured in place. ii) (Indoors) The surface should be level, non-slip and with no obstructions. There should be a distance of at least 1m between the outside of the pitch and the walls. Any pitch markings should also be of non-slip materials. 2. Personal Equipment All discs used should conform to BUF recommendations. Playing shoes should provide adequate support and grip, although no spiked shoes are to be worn. Players should be remined tnot to wear anything that may injure other players (eg. sharp jewelery and bulky rings). Playing kit should clearly differentiate the two teams on the pitch. 3. Public Safety Spectators and passers-by should always be at least 5m away outdoors, and 1m away indoors, from the edge of the pitch, which should be clearly distinguished. Players attention should be drawn to ensuring the safety of the general public from either the players or the discs, especially with regard to 'the pull'. 4. Personal Safety Do not play while impaired by the influence of drugs, both legal and illegal. You should not play if advised by medical authorities not to do so. 5. Injuries Should any player be injured, play shall cease until the matter can be resolved. It is hoped that there should always be a fully stocked first-aid kit, and registered first-aider available to treat any injuries. The location of the nearest hospital accident and emergency department and telephone should always be known 6. Game Play Players should be reminded of the rules governing the safety aspect of the game, that it is non-contact and that dangerous play is a foul in itself. The game may not continue if the light level is too low to allow the disc to be clearly seen. The game should also cease during a thunderstorm. 7. General Each Ultimate player should be made aware of and understand this safety policy. -- Simon Church From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Apr 10 21:36:13 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id VAA26337; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 21:19:39 +0100 (BST) Received: from relay-7.mail.demon.net by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id VAA26328; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 21:19:35 +0100 (BST) Received: from sdc1.demon.co.uk ([194.222.153.201]) by relay-5.mail.demon.net id aa0516213; 10 Apr 97 20:21 BST Message-ID: Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 20:09:38 +0100 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: Simon Church Subject: BUF Secretary MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Version 3.02 Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk The BUF secretary has been dragged, kicking and screaming into the modern world and the white heat of technology. Or, in other words, you all now have an e-mail address to send any of your contact changes for your teams, or similar stuff to. I will of course then have to get out my pencil and notepad and copy the addresses into it! But at least it will save you the cost of a stamp. -- Simon Church From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Apr 11 15:59:24 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id PAA18780; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 15:44:36 +0100 (BST) Received: from vulcan by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id PAA18768; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 15:44:28 +0100 (BST) Received: from hawk.le.ac.uk by vulcan with SMTP (PP); Fri, 11 Apr 1997 15:41:10 +0100 Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 15:41:01 +0100 (BST) From: Scott X-Sender: iws1@hawk To: britdisc Subject: Leicester Tour II Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Web Page The tour II web page is up with a map of how to get to the Park. At the moment there isn't a lot of information , but later we will have a list of teams entered, seeding and hopefully the schedule for all to see. We can't do any of this until these details are finalised which is likely to be next week. http://www.webleicester.co.uk/customer/scott/tourII.htm See you there Scott /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ SCOTT: Ian Scotland Tel: 0116 2525824 Fax: 0116 2523154 E-mail: iws1@le.ac.uk http://wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk/buf/ /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Apr 11 16:31:12 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id QAA21500; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 16:04:46 +0100 (BST) Received: from violet.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id QAA21461; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 16:04:18 +0100 (BST) Received: from admin.warwick.ac.uk by violet.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id QAA29795; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 16:04:11 +0100 (BST) Received: from SIGMA/MERCURY by admin.warwick.ac.uk (Mercury 1.21); 11 Apr 97 16:04:47 +0000 Received: from MERCURY by SIGMA (Mercury 1.21); 11 Apr 97 16:04:36 +0000 From: "DEREK ROBINS" Organization: University of Warwick, CV4 7AL, UK To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 16:04:30 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Disc Golf publicity X-mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.1 (R1a) Message-ID: <3921B44478@admin.warwick.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk GQ Active magazine was launched earlier this month and has a regular feature on "Obscure Sports" in "The Locker" section. Disc Golf was selected as first sport to feature in this section. It is a short factual piece with a picture of me putting and paragraphs on what the game is about, basic rules, where it is played, equipment and contact address. The next edition of GQ Active should feature an article by me on "How To Throw A Frisbee" Quite separately, following my success in winning the Belgian Open I contacted the local press and stories appeared in the Coventry Evening Telegraph and Leamington Spa Courier. Publicity for the British Open should be easier to get following a call earlier this week from an american golfer. He and a friend are planning to fly over specially to play the Open! Quite impressive in itself, but his friend is Bob Vanderboss former PDGA World Champion (Masters Division) Publicity and big names are very welcome but we actually need to grow the sport at the grass roots level - if you are an Ultimate player who fancies trying out disc golf, please make contact or come to a tournament - ALL standards are welcome. Why not start with Britain's most popular tournament The Quarry Park Open? QPO3 will take place at my course near Leamington Spa on May 24/25. There are 18 baskets and no hole is longer than an Ultimate pitch (120m) - you can use your Ultrastar if you like! Del BDGA Website is http://www.csv.warwick.ac.uk/~forab/disc/bdga/intro.html *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*- Derek Robins | | D.J.Robins@admin.warwick.ac.uk Management Accountant | | Tel 01203 523523 x22710 Finance Office | | Fax 01203 524573 University of Warwick | | Room 343 Coventry CV4 7AL | | Senate House *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*- From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Apr 14 08:20:05 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id HAA09298; Mon, 14 Apr 1997 07:48:18 +0100 (BST) Received: from crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id HAA09289; Mon, 14 Apr 1997 07:48:13 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 07:48:08 +0100 (BST) From: Mr R C Doswell Message-Id: <28594.199704140648@crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Received: by crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk id HAA28594; Mon, 14 Apr 1997 07:48:08 +0100 (BST) To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: BUF Events Reminder Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk British Ultimate Federation Disc Events Diary --------------------------------------------- April 1997 ---------- Saturday 19 April 1997 BUF Tour II : Leicester Outdoors (2 days) @ Victoria Park, Leicester St Andrews Indoor Tournament (2 days) @ St Andrews Saturday 26 April 1997 Student Outdoors (2 days) @ Southampton May 1997 -------- Saturday 3 May 1997 BUF National Junior Outdoors (2 days) @ Gosport, Hampshire Freezzz Beezzz 5th International Outdoor Ultimate Tournament (2 days) (Non-UK event) @ Brugge, BE Sunday 4 May 1997 GB Open Team practice (1 day) @ Warwick Saturday 10 May 1997 Womens Hat Tournament (2 days) @ Leeds Saturday 17 May 1997 Kowpat '97 (Spice Beef - The Horny Tourny) (2 days) @ Milton Keynes Nottingham Outdoors (2 days) @ Nottingham Saturday 24 May 1997 GB Open Team practice (2 days) @ London (Note may be Sat/Sun OR Sun/Mon) Saturday 31 May 1997 BUF Tour III (2 days) @ Swindon June 1997 --------- Saturday 7 June 1997 Red Co-ed Outdoors (2 days) @ Countesthorpe, Leicester Saturday 14 June 1997 Exeter Hat Tourny (2 days) @ Exter GB Women (squad only) practice (1 day) @ TBA Sunday 15 June 1997 GB Open Team practice + GB Women and open womens practice (1 day) @ TBA Saturday 21 June 1997 BUF Tour IV : Southampton Outdoors (2 days) @ Southampton July 1997 --------- Saturday 5 July 1997 BUF Tour V (2 days) @ Double Locks, Exeter Friday 11 July 1997 Warwick Bears 21st Reunion (3 days) TBC @ University of Warwick Saturday 12 July 1997 GB Women (squad only) practice (1 day) @ Warwick Sunday 13 July 1997 GB Open Team practice + GB Women and womens open practice (1 day) @ TBA (Warwick?) Sunday 27 July 1997 World Ultimate Club Championships (WUCC'97) (7 days) (Non-UK event) @ Vancouver, CA August 1997 ----------- Sunday 10 August 1997 GB Open Team practice + GB women and womens open practice (1 day) @ TBA Saturday 16 August 1997 Ross-on-Wye (2 days) TBC @ Ross-On-Wye! Saturday 23 August 1997 1997 BDGA Championships (2 days) (Non-Ultimate) TBC Sunday 24 August 1997 EFDF European Ultimate Championships (7 days) @ Millfield School, Street, Somerset, UK September 1997 -------------- Thursday 11 September 1997 British Open (4 days) Saturday 27 September 1997 BUF National Finals (outdoor) (2 days) @ Time is running out for anyone interested in hosting this! October 1997 ------------ Saturday 25 October 1997 BUF Regional Championships (3 REGIONS) (2 days) @ ***TDs required*** (date is flexible) --------------------------------------------------------------- British Ultimate Federation Disc Events Diary http://www.csv.warwick.ac.uk:5201/cgi-bin/diary Ranulf Doswell, ralf@dcs.warwick.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Apr 14 10:21:58 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id JAA20405; Mon, 14 Apr 1997 09:46:50 +0100 (BST) Received: from venus.le.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id JAA20396; Mon, 14 Apr 1997 09:46:45 +0100 (BST) Received: from hawk.le.ac.uk by venus.le.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Mon, 14 Apr 1997 09:44:11 +0100 Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 09:44:08 +0100 (BST) From: Scott X-Sender: iws1@hawk To: britdisc Subject: Tour II (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk ...Jim McD wrote... > and the web pages you emailed brtidisc about > keep giving me the message 'contains no data' If anyone else has experienced this problem can they please send me an email to that effect so I can flood my ISP and get them to take this problem (which I have had before) seriously! Currently, I have narrowed it down to Netscape 2.02 browsers only, but if anyone else gets the same message then let me know and also tell me what browser you are using. The address is; http://www.webleicester.co.uk/customer/scott/tourII.htm Thanks for your help Scott From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Apr 14 14:34:08 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id NAA24297; Mon, 14 Apr 1997 13:51:44 +0100 (BST) Received: from amsta.leeds.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id NAA24278; Mon, 14 Apr 1997 13:51:35 +0100 (BST) Received: from newton.leeds.amsta (newton.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.64]) by amsta.leeds.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA27549 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 1997 13:51:41 +0100 (BST) Received: by newton.leeds.amsta (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id NAA29508; Mon, 14 Apr 1997 13:52:15 +0100 Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 13:52:15 +0100 From: amtsjh@amsta.leeds.ac.uk (S J Hill) Message-Id: <199704141252.NAA29508@newton.leeds.amsta> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Tour II : Leicester TEAMS. X-Sun-Charset: ISO-8859-1 Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hello All People are understandably wanting to know if they are in. And basically the situation is that if you entered, you are in. This is because Leicester have secured a 9th pitch, making it possible to have 28 teams. BE WARNED! This won't always be possible. Some teams nearly lost out this time round by being too slow! - Make sure you know what is going on, and most importantly when the closing dates are for the remaining events. At the rate things are filling up, if you miss the closing date you won't get in. If you do meet the closing date then entry will follow the system described in the tour pack - which means that at least the top 18 teams get in by virtue of the ranking. So check the closing dates. (The closing date for Swindon is 10th May.) Other comments: 1. The tour 'relegation system' will come into effect now because the tourneys are filling up. (Didn't apply it to Hitchin becuase 5 slots at Hitchin were unfilled.) So check up in the pack (eg from your capt/team contact) what this means. Essentially it will only affect the 4 teams finishing 25th-28th at Leicester. 2. Captains meeting is at 9.30am - games will start soon afterwards. 3. We will publish seedings and as much of schedule as possible asap. 4. This tourney is at A NEW VENUE IN LEICESTER as has been mentioned already by Scott. Don't go to last year's venue (unless you have a fascination for building sites). If you are late for any game in the tour, you lose A POINT PER MINUTE. 5. ROSTERS. If you need to add people to your roster, please make sure you GIVE IT TO ME IN WRITING at (preferably BEFORE) captains meeting. Some peopple may have been entered on a roster for Hitchin but not actually played. In this case, you are still able to move. Strictly speaking this isn't quite the idea - but this is new to all of us so its fine. IF YOU ARE THINKING OF CHANGING TEAMS AND YOU *DID* PLAY AT HITCHIN THEN LET US KNOW BECAUSE YOU CAN'T NECESSARILY DO THIS. Players and teams are making a huge effort to understand and play by these roster-restrictions. If you 'break' them do not expect sympathy from anywhere. The teams involved are likely to lose tour points (at least!) OK - here are the teams - (in the order in which they paid). > 1. Catch 22 > 2. Strange Blue > 3. Jedi Children > 4. Fluid Druid4 > 5. Village People > 6. Shotgun Wedding I > 7. Shotgun Wedding II > 8. Bliss > 9. Stan > 10. First Touch > 11. Phat ąEds I > 12. Sneeekyąs > 13. Headrush > 14. Chevron Action Flash > 15. Uriel > 16. Oxford Ultimate I > 17. Squawks > 18. Headrush > 19. Twin Peaks > 20. GB Juniors > 21. Blue Arse Flies > 22. Red Jesters > 23. SLUT > 24. Oxford Ultimate II > 25. VH > 26. Ex Hamsters/Fingers 6 > 27. Mad Kows At this moment there is a space left. But we expect this to be taken up by one of two teams that are still sorting themselves out - but at this point the final spot is still up-for-grabs. Any questions/info please get in touch. Thanks See you there Si ----- Simon Hill 0113 289 0971 (h) 0113 233 5175 (w) amtsjh@amsta.leeds.ac.uk (for Patrick!) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Apr 14 16:01:36 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id PAA08747; Mon, 14 Apr 1997 15:19:48 +0100 (BST) Received: from amsta.leeds.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id PAA08731; Mon, 14 Apr 1997 15:19:40 +0100 (BST) Received: from newton.leeds.amsta (newton.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.64]) by amsta.leeds.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA02721 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 1997 15:19:46 +0100 (BST) Received: by newton.leeds.amsta (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id PAA02523; Mon, 14 Apr 1997 15:20:21 +0100 Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 15:20:21 +0100 From: amtsjh@amsta.leeds.ac.uk (S J Hill) Message-Id: <199704141420.PAA02523@newton.leeds.amsta> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: correction - sorry X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi Earlier I sent a message with the list of teams at the tourney this w/e... and I cunningly managed to cock it up! So Headrush aren't coming twice .... The missing team is Red Jesters II. The number of teams is still the same. ie there is one space. Si From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Apr 14 16:03:09 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id PAA07970; Mon, 14 Apr 1997 15:14:44 +0100 (BST) Received: from spey.st-andrews.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id PAA07963; Mon, 14 Apr 1997 15:14:38 +0100 (BST) Received: from purds.st-andrews.ac.uk (aj@purds [138.251.34.20]) by spey.st-andrews.ac.uk (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id PAA09358 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 1997 15:14:36 +0100 Received: from localhost (aj@localhost) by purds.st-andrews.ac.uk (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA04571 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 1997 15:13:21 +0100 Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 15:13:21 +0100 (BST) From: Andrew Johnson X-Sender: aj@st-andrews.ac.uk To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Scottish Uni. Tournament Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hello all interested parties: Sorry for the lack of communications about the upcoming tournament in St. Andrews. We have all been on spring break and you know how that goes. As of right now we haven't heard any definates from anyone. Glasgow, I got your e-mail and will try and answer them here. First off, the tournament is this coming saturday and sunday, the 19th and 20th of April. Due to space constraints there will be a 10 team limit. We are not sure how exactly the teams will work out, but obviously each club will get at least one team and the remaining teams will be figured out on Friday night. There are potentially 5 clubs coming: St. Andrews, Glasgow, Sterling, Edinburgh and Sterling. Due the the number of teams we ask that you restrict players to university students, but we won't be totally strict if you bring one or two non-students. The main reason we are having the tournament is so we can have the sportshall all to ourselves for the weekend, have a lot of frisbee fun, and provide an opportunity to select the ALL SCOTTISH TEAM in order to get blues and half blues. So basically the weekend is going to be pretty informal. Please try and contact us as soon as you can and let us know how many are coming. We will be able (hopefully) to provide enough floor space for all to sleep on and we will be having a great party for those inclined to find more comfortable accomodations. Watch britdisc for more info on how to get here and where we will meet, when the captains meetings etc will be. If you need to contact us my email is aj@st-andrews.ac.uk, phone is 01334-474085 and my name is Andrew. Or you can call Steve at 01334-479943. Thanks and we look forward to hearing from you. AJ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Apr 16 11:00:42 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id KAA03274; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 10:35:56 +0100 (BST) Received: from ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id KAA03263; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 10:35:47 +0100 (BST) Received: from caj1.arch.cam.ac.uk [131.111.34.20] by ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0wHR7x-00000Y-00; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 10:35:45 +0100 Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 10:41:29 GMT From: "Dora A. Kemp" To: Subject: Tournament reports - Ultimatum X-Mailer: Mulberry [1.0.1, s/n #10001] X-Authenticated: dak12 by imap.cus.cam.ac.uk X-Licensed-To: University of Cambridge MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hello everyone Fancy getting your name in print in the best Ultimate magazine around? I am looking for a volunteers to write brief tournament reports on the major tournaments this year. Firstly I would like someone to write on Leicester this coming weekend. Secondly, would those people from OW! and Mohawks who volunteered to write a contribution to the Rimini report please try to get me something by the weekend and bring it to Leicester. Thank you all in advance Dora Kemp Whatever does good should be held in honour, and the only shame is in doing harm. - Plato McDonald Institute for Archaeological Research Downing Street, Cambridge, England, CB2 3ER (01223) 339336; (01223) 333536 (FAX)/(01223) 339285; dak12@cam.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Apr 16 17:54:38 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id RAA27680; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 17:14:41 +0100 (BST) Received: from violet.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id RAA27671; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 17:14:32 +0100 (BST) Received: from admin.warwick.ac.uk by violet.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id RAA02715; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 17:14:22 +0100 (BST) Received: from SIGMA/MERCURY by admin.warwick.ac.uk (Mercury 1.21); 16 Apr 97 17:15:02 +0000 Received: from MERCURY by SIGMA (Mercury 1.21); 16 Apr 97 17:14:32 +0000 From: "DEREK ROBINS" Organization: University of Warwick, CV4 7AL, UK To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 17:14:25 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Frisbee - Ultimate - Warwick - TV X-mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.1 (R1a) Message-ID: Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk The Really Useful Show want to feature Frisbee and disc sports. The show goes out on BBC daytime tv after 11 a.m. Plans are evolving (3 calls today) and now look like this:- * Filming will take place on Wednesday 23rd April at Warwick University. * I will give an "Expert Opinion" on different discs sold in shops. * BBC will arrange for some local children to be shipped in - presumably to add that element of "things are out of control here!" * We can demonstrate Ultimate and disc golf. Hopefully Warwick Bears are amenable to having their regular practice spot overtaken by the beeb. If there are any glory seekers from outside Warwick who would like to swell the numbers I am sure they would be welcome too. Del *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*- Derek Robins | | D.J.Robins@admin.warwick.ac.uk Management Accountant | | Tel 01203 523523 x22710 Finance Office | | Fax 01203 524573 University of Warwick | | Room 343 Coventry CV4 7AL | | Senate House *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*- From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Apr 16 22:23:49 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id WAA27332; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 22:06:02 +0100 (BST) Received: from phidelta.demon.co.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id WAA27320; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 22:05:51 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 19:03:51 GMT From: LayoutDreams@phidelta.demon.co.uk (Layout Dreams) Reply-To: LayoutDreams@phidelta.demon.co.uk Message-Id: <5816@phidelta.demon.co.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Cc: c.hughes1@livjm.ac.uk Subject: Tour III Invitations X-Organisation: Layout Dreams X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Lines: 32 Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk BUF Ultim8 Tour III 31 May and 1 June 1997 King Edwards Place, near Swindon Invitations went into the post today in time for the 3.30 collection, so team contacts (as per the BUF list) *should* receive them tomorrow. It's important that teams fill in the contact details on the returnable form so that I know exactly where to send further information. The combined teams (Oxford, South London, Red Jesters) will find that they receive two invitations (one per component team) ignore one if you're only entering one team. Violently Happy - since Rob Phillips address now appears to be incorrect - there's no invitation in the post! NB: There is NO WAY I can guarantee spots in this event. The U8 committee has final say on entrants based on: 1) payment of deposit 2) payment of entrance fee 3) seeding as a result of previous Tour events ...but we do have room for 32 (36 if necessary) teams! Any questions? See you at Leicester. Looking forward to promptly receiving cheques.... Wayne Retter _____________________________________________________________________________ Chris Hughes layoutDREAMS Wayne Retter +44/0-151-994-2629 LayoutDreams@phidelta.demon.co.uk +44/0-1737-242109 http://www.phidelta.demon.co.uk/layout.htm From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Apr 18 11:25:33 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id KAA12298; Fri, 18 Apr 1997 10:58:33 +0100 (BST) Received: from amsta.leeds.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id KAA12284; Fri, 18 Apr 1997 10:58:22 +0100 (BST) Received: from newton.leeds.amsta (newton.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.64]) by amsta.leeds.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA01650 for ; Fri, 18 Apr 1997 10:58:28 +0100 (BST) Received: by newton.leeds.amsta (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA03737; Fri, 18 Apr 1997 10:59:05 +0100 Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 10:59:05 +0100 From: amtsjh@amsta.leeds.ac.uk (S J Hill) Message-Id: <199704180959.KAA03737@newton.leeds.amsta> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Leicester - ROSTERS X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi Well Tour II is upon us. You should by now have all the info that you require. Some people will have run into questions about rosters. Some have been in touch - (and some haven't I suspect). Capts meeting is at 9.30 - but this is for info about the tournament itself. IF YOU HAVE: QUESTIONS ABOUT ROSTERS NEW PLAYERS TO REGISTER etc etc Please come and find myself, Dora and the others. We will be somewhere obvious at 9am to deal with any problems like this. (Presumably there will only be one or two!) We don't want to be dealing with shitty, boring administration after capts meeting because the games will be starting. Help in this would be appreciated. Safe journey - see you in Leicester. Si ---- Simon Hill Tel: 0113 289 0971 (h), 0113 233 5175 (w) amtsjh@amsta.leeds.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Apr 18 14:20:32 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id NAA01576; Fri, 18 Apr 1997 13:44:37 +0100 (BST) Received: from mailhost.atlas.co.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id NAA01555; Fri, 18 Apr 1997 13:44:26 +0100 (BST) Received: from [193.132.228.162] by mailhost.atlas.co.uk Message-Id: <9704181237.AA26314@mailhost.atlas.co.uk> Subject: London Ultimate Session is ON! Date: Fri, 18 Apr 97 13:46:19 +0100 From: Paul Hurt To: "BritDisc" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk LONDON ULTIMATE SESSION - CLAPHAM COMMON, TUESDAY NIGHTS ======================================================== Okay, we pretty much know what's going on now. Tuesday nights (starting April 29th) on Clapham Common is to be an open-to-all practice. It will start around 7pm. There will be a league competition, the traditional pickup game, and coaching sessions for beginners. And the pub's really nearby... Right now, I'm taking names and phone numbers of people who would like to play in the league. We need a minimum of thirty players to make it work. Put briefly, this is how we hope to run it... Players are organised into three teams, playing a double round-robin over six weeks (one league game per week). This means that your team plays a league game on four out of the six weeks. On your "off" weeks, you can play in the pickup game (or stay at home and watch telly). After six weeks, we go "hooray, we/you won" then mix the teams up again and start over. Since one of the teams each week is NOT playing a league game, it gives the separate "pickup" game a headstart in terms of numbers. It would seem to be important to have a pickup game running alongside the league game, for players who'd like to come down and play occasionally, but can't commit to a league team. Don't be put off by the fact that Shotgun will be there. Okay, I didn't mean it like that - what I mean is that you don't need to be Great Britain standard to come and play in the league. It really is open to all, whatever level. Shotgun have other nights when they do their super-serious practices. Tuesdays are as much about having fun and meeting other players as it is about playing competitive Ultimate. Please get in touch with me NOW if... 1) ...you'd like to play in the league. I need to know: - your name - your home phone number - a daytime phone number (if possible) - your e-mail address (if you have one) - the BUF team you usually play for (gives me a clue as to who you are) 2) ...you'd be prepared to coach new players occasionally (this won't stop you from playing in the league as well). Send me your details as above. 3) ...you just want more information My phone number is 0171 223 7823 My mobile (might be easier to get me on this) is 0370 918719 My e-mail address is aflitho@macline.co.uk Get in touch soon (like now). And please tell your team-mates. Thanks. See you at Leicester. Paul P.S. Watch out for the London Ultimate Session web site!!! --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Hurt Editor, Ultimatum Magazine, London, England e-mail aflitho@macline.co.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Apr 21 00:17:16 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id XAA00782; Sun, 20 Apr 1997 23:55:20 +0100 (BST) Received: from mailhost.atlas.co.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id XAA00773; Sun, 20 Apr 1997 23:55:17 +0100 (BST) Received: from [193.132.228.172] by mailhost.atlas.co.uk Message-Id: <9704202248.AA29776@mailhost.atlas.co.uk> Subject: London Ultimate Session start date Date: Sun, 20 Apr 97 23:57:14 +0100 From: Paul Hurt To: "BritDisc" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk LONDON ULTIMATE SESSION ======================= Hi There was a rumour going 'round at Leicester that the summer league on Tuesdays at Clapham Common begins this coming Tuesday. This is wrong - it starts the FOLLOWING Tuesday (the 29th April). Just in case you were planning to come down this week. If you haven't done so already, please get in touch with me if you'd like to play in the league. I would really like to sort teams out BEFORE the first session. All I need is... * your name * your home phone no. * a daytime phone number (if possible) * your e-mail address (if you have one) * the BUF team you normally play for More coaches required too. If you're not sure what I'm talking about, mail me and I'll send you the info. Thanks Paul P.S. Ben - cool tournament this w/end (and I don't just mean the air temperature). Thanks again. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Hurt Editor, Ultimatum Magazine, London, England e-mail aflitho@macline.co.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Apr 21 08:11:25 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id HAA09463; Mon, 21 Apr 1997 07:48:20 +0100 (BST) Received: from crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id HAA09459; Mon, 21 Apr 1997 07:48:18 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 07:48:16 +0100 (BST) From: Mr R C Doswell Message-Id: <28045.199704210648@crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Received: by crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk id HAA28045; Mon, 21 Apr 1997 07:48:16 +0100 (BST) To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: BUF Events Reminder Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk British Ultimate Federation Disc Events Diary --------------------------------------------- April 1997 ---------- Saturday 26 April 1997 Student Outdoors (2 days) @ Southampton May 1997 -------- Saturday 3 May 1997 BUF National Junior Outdoors (2 days) @ Gosport, Hampshire Freezzz Beezzz 5th International Outdoor Ultimate Tournament (2 days) (Non-UK event) @ Brugge, BE Sunday 4 May 1997 GB Open Team practice (1 day) @ Warwick Saturday 10 May 1997 Womens Hat Tournament (2 days) @ Leeds Saturday 17 May 1997 Kowpat '97 (Spice Beef - The Horny Tourny) (2 days) @ Milton Keynes Nottingham Outdoors (2 days) @ Nottingham Saturday 24 May 1997 GB Open Team practice (2 days) @ London (Note may be Sat/Sun OR Sun/Mon) Saturday 31 May 1997 BUF Tour III (2 days) @ Swindon June 1997 --------- Saturday 7 June 1997 Red Co-ed Outdoors (2 days) @ Countesthorpe, Leicester Saturday 14 June 1997 Exeter Hat Tourny (2 days) @ Exter GB Women (squad only) practice (1 day) @ TBA Sunday 15 June 1997 GB Open Team practice + GB Women and open womens practice (1 day) @ TBA Saturday 21 June 1997 BUF Tour IV : Southampton Outdoors (2 days) @ Southampton July 1997 --------- Saturday 5 July 1997 BUF Tour V (2 days) @ Double Locks, Exeter Friday 11 July 1997 Warwick Bears 21st Reunion (3 days) TBC @ University of Warwick Saturday 12 July 1997 GB Women (squad only) practice (1 day) @ Warwick Sunday 13 July 1997 GB Open Team practice + GB Women and womens open practice (1 day) @ TBA (Warwick?) Sunday 27 July 1997 World Ultimate Club Championships (WUCC'97) (7 days) (Non-UK event) @ Vancouver, CA August 1997 ----------- Saturday 2 August 1997 LUCC (Lurkers Ultimate Club Championships!) (2 days) TBC @ TBA Sunday 10 August 1997 GB Open Team practice + GB women and womens open practice (1 day) @ TBA Saturday 16 August 1997 Ross-on-Wye (2 days) TBC @ Ross-On-Wye! Saturday 23 August 1997 1997 BDGA Championships (2 days) (Non-Ultimate) TBC Sunday 24 August 1997 EFDF European Ultimate Championships (7 days) @ Millfield School, Street, Somerset, UK September 1997 -------------- Thursday 11 September 1997 British Open (4 days) Saturday 27 September 1997 BUF National Finals (outdoor) (2 days) @ Time is running out for anyone interested in hosting this! October 1997 ------------ Saturday 25 October 1997 BUF Regional Championships (3 REGIONS) (2 days) @ ***TDs required*** (date is flexible) --------------------------------------------------------------- British Ultimate Federation Disc Events Diary http://www.csv.warwick.ac.uk:5201/cgi-bin/diary Ranulf Doswell, ralf@dcs.warwick.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Apr 21 08:49:10 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id IAA12578; Mon, 21 Apr 1997 08:23:56 +0100 (BST) Received: from newsgate.dircon.co.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id IAA12564; Mon, 21 Apr 1997 08:23:51 +0100 (BST) Received: from dmotive.UUCP (dmotive@localhost) by newsgate.dircon.co.uk (8.6.12/8.6.9) with UUCP id IAA29625 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Mon, 21 Apr 1997 08:12:43 +0100 Date: 20 Apr 97 19:30:13 +0000 From: Oz Freire Subject: Inverness Disc golf - Pseudo Tournament To: BritDisc CC: Eurodisc Message-ID: <970420.193013@designmotive.co.uk> X-Mailer: InterCall 1.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Inverness Disc golf - Pseudo Tournament Thursday 1 May, 1997 All players are invited to come and play the U.K.'s northern most disc go= lf courses prior to playing the 'Classic' at Mull. Inverness has two 18 hol= e courses, Ashie Moor over looking Loch Ness and Craig Phadrig a Forestry Commission plantation. Depending on time and numbers of players it may = be possible to play both courses in a day. We will definitly be playing the= big course at Ashie Moor. We will probably play on friday morning before= going to Mull. Travelling to Mull is quite easy from Inverness with the journey taking about three hours depending on traffic and ferry's (2 crossings).=20 Accomodation in Inverness is limited to B and B's although there may be camping allowed on the course. Interested?=20 Contact Trevor Bechtel (01463) 237 573 If you can't make it but you are still keen to play you are welcome anyti= me just phone me before coming up. =20 From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Apr 21 11:18:08 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id KAA08073; Mon, 21 Apr 1997 10:48:00 +0100 (BST) Received: from black.csi.cam.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id KAA08048; Mon, 21 Apr 1997 10:47:49 +0100 (BST) Received: from [131.111.99.211] [131.111.99.211] by black.csi.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.58 #1) id 0wJFhJ-0006gF-00; Mon, 21 Apr 1997 10:47:47 +0100 X-Sender: ms223@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 08:06:33 +0100 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: ms223@cam.ac.uk (Mindy Sobota) Subject: Luke Walden re: Brugges Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk To Chevron AF, Dynamo Hamsters, Violently Happy, and any individuals going to the Brugges tourney: Info we (and I assume you also) received from the TDs last week indicates that the games are going to be _very_ short. We in Cambridge are pretty disappointed about this. I sent a very friendly mail to Glenn Nolf asking him if there was any possible way to lengthen the games (find more pitches, start earlier, play until dark,etc). You other teams might want to do the same if you haven't already: glenn.nolf@ping.be I do wish that they had told us before we paid! But what can you do... See you in Belgium, Luke Walden Strange Blue >-`o_ o~~~ Only Connect. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Apr 21 17:06:18 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id QAA17327; Mon, 21 Apr 1997 16:27:51 +0100 (BST) From: P.H.Schuricht@soton.ac.uk Received: from acacia.sucs.soton.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id QAA17306; Mon, 21 Apr 1997 16:27:42 +0100 (BST) Received: from oak.sucs.soton.ac.uk (oak.sucs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.128.89]) by acacia.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.2/server) with ESMTP id QAA02930 for ; Mon, 21 Apr 1997 16:27:41 +0100 (BST) Received: (from phs@localhost) by oak.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.4/client) id QAA29573 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Mon, 21 Apr 1997 16:27:39 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 16:27:39 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199704211527.QAA29573@oak.sucs.soton.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Re: Brugges X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk >From what i remember of previous years at Brugges, the games are always very short (about 45 mins i think), but the local brewery is worth a visit. Paul From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Apr 21 19:05:00 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id SAA09406; Mon, 21 Apr 1997 18:25:52 +0100 (BST) Received: from phidelta.demon.co.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id SAA09371; Mon, 21 Apr 1997 18:25:43 +0100 (BST) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 18:33:36 GMT From: druid@phidelta.demon.co.uk (Fluid Druids Ultimate Team) Reply-To: druid@phidelta.demon.co.uk Message-Id: <5859@phidelta.demon.co.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk, eurodisc@ira.uka.de Subject: WebSite has moved... X-Name: Wayne Retter, Treasurer X-Team: Fluid Druids - theultimatefrisbeeteam X-WWW: http://www.dreamer.demon.co.uk/druids/ X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Lines: 7 Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk .......................................... : FLUID DRUIDS : : theultimatefrisbeeteam : : Druid@phidelta.demon.co.uk : : http://www.dreamer.demon.co.uk/druids/ : :........................................: From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Apr 21 21:10:59 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id UAA26995; Mon, 21 Apr 1997 20:47:21 +0100 (BST) Received: from klingon.netkonect.net by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id UAA26991; Mon, 21 Apr 1997 20:47:18 +0100 (BST) Received: from l-rconsulting.netkonect.co.uk by klingon.netkonect.net (8.6.11/netkonect-1.102-server) id UAA24317; Mon, 21 Apr 1997 20:35:15 +0100 Message-Id: <199704211935.UAA24317@klingon.netkonect.net> From: "Sean Young" To: "Britdisc" Subject: Village People Only Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 20:43:53 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk If Charlie of Village is out there Thanks for the change for the parking machine at Leicester. I couldn't find you on Sunday so I gave Sarah some change to pay you back. Thanks again. Seán Shotgun From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Apr 22 00:16:52 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id XAA16405; Mon, 21 Apr 1997 23:54:02 +0100 (BST) Received: from spuggie.cen.brad.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id XAA16399; Mon, 21 Apr 1997 23:53:59 +0100 (BST) Received: from kestrel.cen.brad.ac.uk (15937@kestrel.cen.brad.ac.uk [143.53.2.5]) by spuggie.cen.brad.ac.uk (8.8.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA20461 for ; Mon, 21 Apr 1997 23:53:57 +0100 (BST) Received: (from ajbradfo@localhost) by kestrel.cen.brad.ac.uk (8.8.4/8.8.4) id XAA07446; Mon, 21 Apr 1997 23:53:54 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 23:53:53 +0100 (BST) From: Andy B X-Sender: ajbradfo@kestrel.cen.brad.ac.uk To: Britdisc Subject: 3 pints, 2 straws Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk last weekend saw the scottish uni's tournament in st. andrews which no doubt somebody will send details of the tourny later. however what i wanted to bring up was the frisbee challenge... as above the tourny saw the debut of dundee who were told on numerous occasions frisbee was all about a game involving 3 pints and 2 straws, and that they couldnt be a real frisbee team unless they participated. time and time again yet another player would come up and jest at the team for not wanting to play ... and would they take no for an answer, despite the fact half the team are tea tottled. and to those who think this means dundee cant party well thats sadly mistaken. (who needs alcohol to have fun )the team did leave early from the party mainly due to the fact they got so little respect from other players. Ultimate has traditionally relied upon a spirit of sportsmanship which places the responsibility for fair play on the player. Highly competitive play is encouraged, but never at the expense of the bond of mutual RESPECT between players, adherence to the agreed upon rules of the game, or the basic joy of play. SOMEONE PLEASE WRITE BACK AND TELL ME THEIR IS SOMETHING MORE TO FRISBEE THAN A FRISBEE WITH 3 PINTS OF BEER. pieles de platanos Andy B \\///// (.) (.) ______________________________________________________oOO__(_)___OOo_________ 63 Grantham Rd Bradford BD7 1RN________________________________________________01274 743778___________ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Apr 22 00:55:16 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id AAA20753; Tue, 22 Apr 1997 00:27:38 +0100 (BST) Received: from relay-7.mail.demon.net by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id AAA20740; Tue, 22 Apr 1997 00:27:32 +0100 (BST) Received: from ultimatum.demon.co.uk ([158.152.203.174]) by relay-5.mail.demon.net id aa0516161; 21 Apr 97 19:55 BST Subject: Ultimatum e-mail change Date: Mon, 21 Apr 97 19:57:16 +0100 From: Paul Hurt To: BritDisc Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Message-ID: <861648917.0516161.0@ultimatum.demon.co.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi Please note that my e-mail address has now changed. It is... paul@ultimatum.demon.co.uk I will only very occasionally be checking my old address (aflitho@macline.co.uk) for the next week or two, after which it'll cease to work at all, so please update your address books. Thanks Paul --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Hurt Editor, Ultimatum Magazine, London, England e-mail aflitho@macline.co.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Apr 22 07:42:26 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id HAA27531; Tue, 22 Apr 1997 07:13:08 +0100 (BST) Received: from NIH2WAAE by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id HAA27522; Tue, 22 Apr 1997 07:13:05 +0100 (BST) Received: from mail pickup service by csi.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 22 Apr 1997 02:11:29 -0400 Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 02:11:14 -0400 From: Jim McDonnell Subject: Anyone for Rotterdam? To: Britdisc Message-ID: <199704220210_MC2-14B5-A018@compuserve.com> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi all - Village are looking into going to Rotterdam, and have room for pickups on the team. If you'd like to be a guest Villager (larks and tomfoolery guaranteed), and (more important) could have a cash deposit ready for this Friday 25th (not sure how much, but we are sure we need to enter ASAP), please get in touch with me right away. Dates for the tournament are the weekend of the 10/11/12 (might be 9/10/11) May. Cheers - Jim 'Slim' McDonnell (ah, the irony of that nickname!) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Apr 22 09:06:10 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id IAA04476; Tue, 22 Apr 1997 08:34:53 +0100 (BST) Received: from [137.205.222.1] by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id IAA04469; Tue, 22 Apr 1997 08:34:49 +0100 (BST) X-Sender: serai@mail.csv.warwick.ac.uk Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 08:36:41 +0100 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: D.P.Neilson@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Dave Neilson) Subject: WUCC in Vancouver Update (Volunteers Needed) Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk From: rmande@axionet.com (Rob Mandeville) Subject: World Ultimate Championships Hello Everybody, Well, it is only 100 days away now. The most exciting thing in Ultimate is about to descend on Vancouver and give all of us seven days of the most extraordinary playing you can imagine. There are teams representing 18 countries at the tournament and an expected 1600-1800 players. There are some remarkable things at this tournament, Brazil and China are both sending teams for the first time to worlds, and Japan is sending an amazing 11 teams, that puts them as the 3rd largest country represented behind Canada and the USA. As you can imagine this is going to be a truly inspired tournament for play, but what about all that other stuff that makes those players want to come here. All the organizing committee are doing a superb job of getting ready for all of you coming to the tournament. Chris Lowe and Nylene Geyer and their crew have planned some incredible parties with great bands and much booze to entertain everyone. Remember that volunteering is your ticket to these monumental parties and it is also a great way to meet people from around the world. Beth Freeman and her mighty crew are hard at word getting sponsorship for fun things to bulk up the volunteer/player packages. If you know of anything/anyone who may be able to help her with stuff for these packages give us a shout. Speaking of ways you can help we would like to have you help us build our volunteer pool to even greater levels than it is at now. Currently we have almost 100 volunteers helping at this point - WE WANT MORE PEOPLE. One of your first big task as a volunteer is to help build our volunteer pool. "Find a friend or two" and recruit them to help us make this tournament even better. We need more people who want to be part of the biggest thing to happen to Ultimate in Vancouver. I also want to remind all of you to get in touch with Scott Lewis or Rob Mandeville if you are having difficulty communicating with your section head, we will be more than glad to help you connect with them. Well that is all for now, and remember only 100 more days. Rob Mandeville Volunteer Crew Chief From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Apr 22 11:02:55 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id KAA21568; Tue, 22 Apr 1997 10:25:54 +0100 (BST) Received: from maila.uscs.susx.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id KAA21542; Tue, 22 Apr 1997 10:25:49 +0100 (BST) Received: from solx1.central.susx.ac.uk by maila.uscs.susx.ac.uk with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #2) id m0wJbpg-000XG7C; Tue, 22 Apr 97 10:25 BST Received: by solx1.central.susx.ac.uk (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0wJbos-0002vxC; Tue, 22 Apr 97 10:25 BST Message-Id: From: scu10@central.susx.ac.uk (Diana Worman) Subject: Re: WUCC in Vancouver To: D.P.Neilson@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Dave Neilson) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 10:25:02 +0100 (BST) Cc: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk In-Reply-To: from "Dave Neilson" at Apr 22, 97 08:36:41 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Dear Britdiscers, Although 18 countries are entering the World Clubs in Vancouver, I would like to let everyone know that Great Britain will not be represented by a womens team..... A sad reflection on womens ultimate in Great Britain? Diana Worman (Mohawks) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Apr 22 12:21:18 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id LAA08328; Tue, 22 Apr 1997 11:48:58 +0100 (BST) Received: from camcon.co.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id LAA08322; Tue, 22 Apr 1997 11:48:53 +0100 (BST) Received: from esprit.camcon.co.uk by camcon.co.uk (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA04992; Tue, 22 Apr 97 11:48:10 BST Received: from ccMail by esprit.camcon.co.uk (IMA Internet Exchange 1.04b) id 35c97040; Tue, 22 Apr 97 11:46:28 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 11:46:07 +0100 Message-Id: <35c97040@camcon.co.uk> From: Arfon.Jones@camcon.co.uk (Arfon Jones) Subject: Holiday in the Sun To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk, valk@mail.telepac.pt Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Dear All You may all be thinking of going to the Southampton tournament around the 21 June - which I'm sure will be very nice and well attended. However, if your thinking of some sun, sea and squid you should definitely check out the conversation I heard recently in a local travel agency.....;-) Arfon ====================================================================== Overheard Conversation in Travel Agency: (Authentically reproduced...honest guv...) "..... yes, I fancy a few days in the sun, a few beers, some activities and I'd like to go with a few friends...around the 21st of June. So, how about somewhere close and easy to get to - Spain? Yeah nice but too commercial. Ok, Portugal ? Mmm but I need lovely beaches and easy access to a major airport ... How about miles of soft golden sand and a limo service picking you up from Lisbon airport and taking you to a nearby paradise.... Are you pulling my....leg ? And what if we arrange great parties with some of the world's liveliest and friendliest people, (60 registered so far) ? Really ? Sounds expensive ? Naah, just a flight and a few pounds for camping, don't worry Sounds too good to be true ...what about some leisurely daytime activities? Have you ever thrown a disc and floundered around in the sand, and been forced to take frequent cool down dips in the crystal clear sea ... it's also known as an Beach Ultimate, Hat Tournament... you probably wouldn't like it....Did I mention TV Sponsorship and naked games....? Ok, ok here's my money what else do I do ? Check out web page: for colour pictures and info, or mail: valk@mail.telepac.pt I'm so excited, thanks for all your help... bye....... Oh, by the way any chance of meeting some lovely people of the opposite sex ? Get a life, what do think this is an 18-30 holiday !! Get out of here..." (Advertising on behalf of Pork'N'Cheese Ultimate.. please contact them directly for details and be prepared to be impressed) ========================================================================== From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Apr 22 12:53:13 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id MAA15845; Tue, 22 Apr 1997 12:25:43 +0100 (BST) Received: from acacia.sucs.soton.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id MAA15836; Tue, 22 Apr 1997 12:25:39 +0100 (BST) Received: from alder.sucs.soton.ac.uk (alder.sucs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.128.56]) by acacia.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.2/server) with ESMTP id MAA24714; Tue, 22 Apr 1997 12:25:36 +0100 (BST) Received: from b25a-17.sucs.soton.ac.uk (b25a-17.sucs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.188.200]) by alder.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.2/client-8.8) with SMTP id MAA12036; Tue, 22 Apr 1997 12:23:02 +0100 (BST) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 12:23:01 GMT From: andy omt Subject: Re: Holiday in the Sun To: Arfon Jones cc: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk, valk@mail.telepac.pt Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk dear arfon, and fellow bridiscers, i have just received the e-mail below about a certain cheesy tournament in portugal. and i'd like to tell you all the real truth about the 21st june 1997. arfon talks about sun, sea and squid - southampton has been known over the last few years as one of the hottest and sunniest tournaments of the whole ultimate calender. southampton also is situated near the sea, and squid???, b******s to squid. southampton, being one of the prestigeous tour events, is being run by the nicest people you could ever meetl. yes, the skunks. come and get involved in the fun and frolicks of the southern hospitality and southampton wit and sarcasm. a choice between a cheap but worthwhile southampton visit or a horrible EXPENSIVE plane ride (then probably boat or bus or horse and trap)??? i think i know where i'd rather be cheers in lighthearted jest, andy (chief propergander merchant for southampton outdoors 1997) On Tue, 22 Apr 1997 11:46:07 +0100 Arfon Jones wrote: > From: Arfon Jones > Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 11:46:07 +0100 > Subject: Holiday in the Sun > To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk, valk@mail.telepac.pt > > > > Dear All > > You may all be thinking of going to the Southampton tournament around the > 21 June - which I'm sure will be very nice and well attended. However, > if your thinking of some sun, sea and squid you should definitely check > out the conversation I heard recently in a local travel agency.....;-) > > Arfon > ============================================================ ========== > > Overheard Conversation in Travel Agency: > (Authentically reproduced...honest guv...) > > "..... > yes, I fancy a few days in the sun, a few beers, some activities and I'd > like to go with a few friends...around the 21st of June. > > So, how about somewhere close and easy to get to - Spain? > > Yeah nice but too commercial. > > Ok, Portugal ? > > Mmm but I need lovely beaches and easy access to a major airport ... > > How about miles of soft golden sand and a limo service picking you up > from Lisbon airport and taking you to a nearby paradise.... > > Are you pulling my....leg ? > > And what if we arrange great parties with some of the world's liveliest and > friendliest people, (60 registered so far) ? > > Really ? Sounds expensive ? > > Naah, just a flight and a few pounds for camping, don't worry > > Sounds too good to be true ...what about some leisurely daytime activities? > > Have you ever thrown a disc and floundered around in the sand, and been > forced to take frequent cool down dips in the crystal clear sea ... it's > also known as an Beach Ultimate, Hat Tournament... you probably wouldn't > like it....Did I mention TV Sponsorship and naked games....? > > Ok, ok here's my money what else do I do ? > > Check out web page: > > for colour pictures and info, or mail: > valk@mail.telepac.pt > > I'm so excited, thanks for all your help... bye....... > Oh, by the way any chance of meeting some lovely people of the opposite > sex ? > > Get a life, what do think this is an 18-30 holiday !! Get out of here..." > > (Advertising on behalf of Pork'N'Cheese Ultimate.. please contact them > directly for details and be prepared to be impressed) > > ============================================================ ============== From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Apr 22 13:25:14 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id MAA20019; Tue, 22 Apr 1997 12:52:35 +0100 (BST) Received: from dub-img-4.compuserve.com by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id MAA20002; Tue, 22 Apr 1997 12:52:31 +0100 (BST) Received: by dub-img-4.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id HAA14221; Tue, 22 Apr 1997 07:51:59 -0400 Date: 22 Apr 97 07:49:19 EDT From: EATON PUBLICATION <100737.2226@compuserve.com> To: "(unknown)" Subject: Leicester tourney results Message-ID: <970422114919_100737.2226_EHV85-2@CompuServe.COM> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Is it likely that someone's going to post some results from Leicester in the near future? I had to leave early and would like to know who ended up where and who won Spirit. Cheers Colin Smith Oxford Ultimate From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Apr 22 14:50:07 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id OAA04239; Tue, 22 Apr 1997 14:12:47 +0100 (BST) Received: from stone.dcs.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id OAA04233; Tue, 22 Apr 1997 14:12:42 +0100 (BST) Received: from guardian.dcs.warwick.ac.uk by stone.dcs.warwick.ac.uk; Tue, 22 Apr 1997 14:11:55 +0100 (BST) Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by guardian.dcs.warwick.ac.uk; Tue, 22 Apr 1997 13:06:04 GMT Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 14:11:53 +0100 (BST) From: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Message-Id: <4113.199704221311@pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id OAA04113; Tue, 22 Apr 1997 14:11:53 +0100 (BST) To: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: BOUNCE britdisc@warwick.ac.uk: Admin request: /^subject:\s.*\bchange\b.*\baddress\b/i Admin request of type /\bchange\b.*\baddress\b/ at line 7 Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk >From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Apr 22 14:11:49 1997 remote from Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id OAA04104; Tue, 22 Apr 1997 14:11:48 +0100 (BST) Received: from ultimatum.demon.co.uk ([158.152.203.174]) by relay-11.mail.demon.net id aa1122539; 22 Apr 97 10:53 BST Subject: Re: Change of address Date: Tue, 22 Apr 97 10:55:47 +0100 From: Paul Hurt To: BritDisc Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Message-ID: <861702826.1122539.0@ultimatum.demon.co.uk> >Subject: Change of address >Sent: 22/4/97 9:27 am >Received: 22/4/97 10:11 am >From: Giles Stoddard, giles.stoddard@gecm.com >To: paul@ultimatum.demon.co.uk > >We'll all change our address books, if you change your signature file!! > >Giles > >giles.stoddard@gecm.com > Yes, this occurred to me just after I'd hit "send". Doh! Please examine new signature below - I hope it now meets with your approval... Paul By the way, this new address is now the one to use if you want to join the LONDON ULTIMATE SESSION Summer League (hint). --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Hurt Editor, Ultimatum Magazine, London, England paul@ultimatum.demon.co.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Apr 22 16:56:48 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id QAA26108; Tue, 22 Apr 1997 16:08:19 +0100 (BST) Received: from maths.st-andrews.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id QAA26099; Tue, 22 Apr 1997 16:08:14 +0100 (BST) Received: from localhost (sh4@localhost) by maths.st-andrews.ac.uk (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA08171; Tue, 22 Apr 1997 16:07:02 +0100 Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 16:07:01 +0100 (BST) From: Steve Henderson X-Sender: sh4@maths.st-andrews.ac.uk To: Andy B cc: Britdisc Subject: Re: 3 pints, 2 straws In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk > > Ultimate has traditionally relied upon a spirit of sportsmanship > which places the responsibility for fair play on the > player. Highly competitive play is encouraged, but never at the > expense of the bond of mutual RESPECT between players, adherence > to the agreed upon rules of the game, or the basic joy of play. > > > SOMEONE PLEASE WRITE BACK AND TELL ME THEIR IS SOMETHING MORE TO FRISBEE > THAN A FRISBEE WITH 3 PINTS OF BEER. > Andy B Andy - firstly, thanks for coming this weekend. Second, the proof that nobody really cared about the Dundee lads not taking part in a challenge (despite some of them offering to try with lemonade - before being convinced that it would be far too difficult being so gassy) is that the Dundee team were awarded the Spirit award. I will stress that the Spirit award here was not just awarded to them because they were the new team that deserved something for coming along and trying. In fact they suprised just about everyone at the tournament with there degree of skill, knowledge, patience within the game - and also their originality and enthusiasm for the after-game calls. (they came sixth out of eight - but could have come fourth or fifth with a little more cool-headedness) A little digress here.... I must say here on the subject of spirit - both of the Sneeekies teams and the Mud Culture (who won) were highly recommended for spirit. I say this, purely to point out that: THE WINNING TEAM IN A TOURNAMENT CAN PLAY WITH AS MUCH SPIRIT AS THE NEWEST OR LOWEST RANKING OF TEAMS - (is there a hidden message here?) ANYWAY: Third (and last) *I* got a hell of a lot more stick than the entire Dundee team put together, after starting AND FAILING TO FINISH a frisbee challenge! (much embarrasement!) Thanks to all that came this weekend, and, Andy, shame that you had to leave early, because we had the most amazing couple of games of ultimate on the beach after you left. So much fun. Until next time, I guess Steve (St Andrews Ultimate - Flying Sorcerers) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Apr 22 17:10:06 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id QAA27576; Tue, 22 Apr 1997 16:16:38 +0100 (BST) Received: from maths.st-andrews.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id QAA27568; Tue, 22 Apr 1997 16:16:34 +0100 (BST) Received: from localhost (sh4@localhost) by maths.st-andrews.ac.uk (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA08622 for ; Tue, 22 Apr 1997 16:16:32 +0100 Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 16:16:31 +0100 (BST) From: Steve Henderson X-Sender: sh4@maths.st-andrews.ac.uk To: BRITDISC Subject: St Andrews Lost Property Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hopefully a full report from St Andrews' first tournament will follow soon, but for now a quick lost property notice: Edinburgh - couldn`t find your pink disc. Glasgow - I have one of your pink discs (could you have a sneeky disc?) - send me a postal address and it shall speed its way back to you. - You also left three packets of assorted cereal bars (they were very tasty - thank you!) There was also a Calvin Klein baseball cap left. - It may be one of ours, but I have not yet asked everyone. Any takers? Steve (St Andrews Ultimate - Flying Sorcerers) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Apr 22 19:58:10 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id TAA28570; Tue, 22 Apr 1997 19:29:52 +0100 (BST) Received: from iraun1.ira.uka.de by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id TAA28565; Tue, 22 Apr 1997 19:29:44 +0100 (BST) Received: from [129.13.2.181] (actually i02mac181.ira.uka.de) by iraun1 with SMTP (PP); Tue, 22 Apr 1997 20:27:49 +0200 X-Sender: griesbaum@i02mac198.ira.uka.de Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 20:28:00 +0100 To: frisbee@win.tue.nl, britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: Thomas Griesbaum Subject: International Ultimate Frisbee Student Tournament in Karlsruhe Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Just a little reminder and to some this may be news. We want to make this a true international students event and are looking into some more participation from the Netherlands and the UK. Thomas ------------------------------------------------------------------ The Ultimate-Frisbee Team "Gummibears" together with the Sports Office of the University of Karlsruhe, Germany, wishes to invite your students Ultimate team to the 1. International Ultimate Frisbee Student Tournament of the University Karlsruhe ================================================================================ Organisation: Hochschulsport der Universitaet Karlsruhe, Abteilung Frisbee Date: 7./8. June 1997 Location: Karlsruhe, Germany (Southwest Germany, in the Rhine valley) Place: stadium of the university (institute of sports) Eligibilty: only students and employees of your university Fees: Team fee: DM 100.- must be paid 4 weeks prior to the tournament (in order to save on bank fees foreign teams may pay on arrival in Karlsruhe) Player fee: DM 15.- per person (includes accomodation, breakfast, party Saturday night) Registration dead line: 2. May 1997 (max. 24 teams ) Accomodation & breakfast: In your sleeping bag in a gym (ca. 200 places) or in your tent right next to the fields Saturday and Sunday breakfast at the fields Catering: Salad and beverages at the fields On Saturday it is possible to get spaghetti with 4 different sauces (DM 8.-) To be reserved together with your registration ! Liability: The organiser refuses any kind of liability for injury and damage. More info and registration: Thomas Griesbaum or Claus Schunk Briegerstr. 8 Gartenstrasse 10 76139 Karlsruhe 76133 Karlsruhe Germany Germany phone: +49-721-67698 (home) +49-721-378843 (home) +49-721-608 4001 (work) Fax: +49-721-9683568 (home) +49-721-697760 (work) E-Mail: thgries@ira.uka.de ui69@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de answering machine 24h: +49-721-9683568 We will also set up a web page at http://www.ira.uka.de/~thgries/disc/termin_descr/ist.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Please print the registration form below, fill out and send to one of the registration addresses. ---------------- cut here --------------------------------------------- Registration form for the 1. International Student Tournament of the University Karlsruhe Send to: Thomas Griesbaum or Claus Schunk Briegerstr. 8 Gartenstrasse 10 76139 Karlsruhe 76133 Karlsruhe Germany Germany Fax: +49-721-9683568 (home) +49-721-697760 (work) We want to come !!! Name of our university: Name of our team: Number of players: Number of persons, who want spaghetti on saturday evening (at DM 8.- per person): Address of our university: Address of our main contact person (one of our players): Name | Street | Zip code/City | Country | | Phone | Fax | E-Mail | Comments: From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Apr 23 07:20:03 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id GAA24130; Wed, 23 Apr 1997 06:59:22 +0100 (BST) Received: from relay-7.mail.demon.net by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id GAA24119; Wed, 23 Apr 1997 06:59:06 +0100 (BST) Received: from ultimatum.demon.co.uk ([158.152.203.174]) by relay-6.mail.demon.net id aa0620299; 23 Apr 97 1:59 BST Subject: London Ultimate Session Web Site Date: Wed, 23 Apr 97 02:01:03 +0100 From: Paul Hurt To: BritDisc Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Message-ID: <861757140.0620299.0@ultimatum.demon.co.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi again There is now a London Ultimate Session web site. It's at: http://www.ultimatum.demon.co.uk/lus/ There you'll find full details of what we're trying to set up, a map and directions, even a few nice pictures from the Ultimatum archives. We're getting there, but I'm still looking for some more players to join the league. Does the rest of *your* team know about this? Tell them. Get them to sign up now. It'll be way cool. Thanks Paul --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Hurt Editor, Ultimatum Magazine, London, England paul@ultimatum.demon.co.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Apr 23 11:26:55 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id LAA21759; Wed, 23 Apr 1997 11:03:38 +0100 (BST) Received: from langs.st-andrews.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id LAA21745; Wed, 23 Apr 1997 11:03:25 +0100 (BST) Received: from localhost (gcc@localhost) by langs.st-andrews.ac.uk (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA10308; Wed, 23 Apr 1997 11:03:20 +0100 Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 11:03:20 +0100 (BST) From: Gillon Charles Campbell X-Sender: gcc@st-andrews.ac.uk To: Andy B cc: brit disc Subject: Re: 3 pints, 2 straws In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Dead write on this subject and I am ashamed to say I'm sure I was a culpret too. It is fun to do and at least we don't have initiation ceremonies like the rugger buggers but it was just the fact that a lot of people were so drunk and tired after a great day that "3 pint challenge " was about all the conversation they could make!! Pity they left early as the party afterwards was good fun even when it was crashed by Manchester Rugby Medics with pants on there heads. Gillon St Andrews From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Apr 23 12:55:51 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id MAA05579; Wed, 23 Apr 1997 12:24:09 +0100 (BST) From: dmurray@soton.ac.uk Received: from acacia.sucs.soton.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id MAA05556; Wed, 23 Apr 1997 12:23:58 +0100 (BST) Received: from ash.sucs.soton.ac.uk (ash.sucs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.128.88]) by acacia.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.2/server) with ESMTP id MAA21958 for ; Wed, 23 Apr 1997 12:23:57 +0100 (BST) Received: (from dmurray@localhost) by ash.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.4/client) id MAA11038 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Wed, 23 Apr 1997 12:23:54 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 12:23:54 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199704231123.MAA11038@ash.sucs.soton.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: leicester results X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk OK people here are the offical leicester results and the tour rankings to date leicester results 1 shotgun II 160 2 shotgun I 140 3 catch 22 120 4 Druids 105 5 STAN 90 Spirit winners 6 Violently Happy 75 7 Chevron 60 8 Oxford I 50 9 Red 40 10 Headrush 30 11 Strange Blue 25 12 SLUT 20 13 First Touch 18 14 Village 16 15 Skunks 14 16 Floating Bloke 12 17 sneeekies 10 18 GB Juniors 8 19 Oxford II 6 20 Uriel 5 21 BAF 4 22 Night Fever 3 23 Jedi Children 2 24 Twin Peaks 1 25 Buns 0.5 26 Red II 0.25 27 Superfly DQS 28 Mad Kows DQS this makes the overall rankings as follows 1 Shotgun I 300 2 Catch 22 260 3 Druids 225 4 STAN 195 5 Shotgun II 160 6 Oxford I 140 7 Violently happy 135 8 First touch 68 9 Red/Jesters 65 10 Strange Blue 65 11 Headrush 60 12 Village 34 13 SQwauks 34 14 SLUT 28 15 Floating Bloke 28 16 Sneeekies 20 17 Oxford II 16 18 Jedi children 12 19 BAF 9 20 uriel 8 21 Juniors 5 22 Buns/bliss 4.5 23 Night fever 3 24 Hurricane 3 25 Superfly 2 26 Twin Peaks 1 27 Red II 0.25 hope to see you all in swindon Dave Murray STAN From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Apr 23 13:37:40 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id NAA14928; Wed, 23 Apr 1997 13:17:06 +0100 (BST) From: dmurray@soton.ac.uk Received: from acacia.sucs.soton.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id NAA14915; Wed, 23 Apr 1997 13:16:55 +0100 (BST) Received: from ash.sucs.soton.ac.uk (ash.sucs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.128.88]) by acacia.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.2/server) with ESMTP id NAA29155 for ; Wed, 23 Apr 1997 13:16:53 +0100 (BST) Received: (from dmurray@localhost) by ash.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.4/client) id NAA11412 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Wed, 23 Apr 1997 13:16:51 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 13:16:51 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199704231216.NAA11412@ash.sucs.soton.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: rankings X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk sorry everyone slight mistake overall rankings should be 7 Violently happy 135 8 chevron 135 9 First touch 68 rest is same but places move down one as I had missed out chevron sorry chevron From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Apr 23 14:27:33 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id OAA23834; Wed, 23 Apr 1997 14:03:55 +0100 (BST) Received: from typhoon.dial.pipex.net by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id OAA23758; Wed, 23 Apr 1997 14:03:25 +0100 (BST) Received: from [194.203.111.155] (194.203.111.155) by typhoon.dial.pipex.net (8.8.2/UUNET PIPEX simple 1.29) id OAA12311; Wed, 23 Apr 1997 14:03:23 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199704231303.OAA12311@typhoon.dial.pipex.net> From: "Richard Clegg" To: Subject: re: Leicester Results Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 14:03:44 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk How are the overall Tour standings so far being calculated? If it's currently as simple as the total points from Hitchin and Leicester, then there's a few typos in the list just posted. If it's more complex than that, would anybody care to enlighten us? Scuttler (fast becoming the Statto of Sneeekys) ************************************************************ Richard J. Clegg Web Developer, Company Net richard@company-net.co.uk ************************************************************ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Apr 23 14:32:54 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id OAA23528; Wed, 23 Apr 1997 14:02:15 +0100 (BST) Received: from clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id OAA23507; Wed, 23 Apr 1997 14:02:00 +0100 (BST) From: dmurray@soton.ac.uk Received: from acacia.sucs.soton.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id OAA15025; Wed, 23 Apr 1997 14:01:55 +0100 (BST) Received: from ash.sucs.soton.ac.uk (ash.sucs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.128.88]) by acacia.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.2/server) with ESMTP id OAA05454 for ; Wed, 23 Apr 1997 14:01:53 +0100 (BST) Received: (from dmurray@localhost) by ash.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.4/client) id OAA11771 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Wed, 23 Apr 1997 14:01:51 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 14:01:51 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199704231301.OAA11771@ash.sucs.soton.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: rankings X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk OK the observant ones of you will also have spotted that uriel and juniors are the wrong way round in the overall rankings sorry, having a bad day From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Apr 23 15:01:50 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id OAA00632; Wed, 23 Apr 1997 14:36:41 +0100 (BST) From: dmurray@soton.ac.uk Received: from acacia.sucs.soton.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id OAA00596; Wed, 23 Apr 1997 14:36:29 +0100 (BST) Received: from ash.sucs.soton.ac.uk (ash.sucs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.128.88]) by acacia.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.2/server) with ESMTP id OAA10363 for ; Wed, 23 Apr 1997 14:36:26 +0100 (BST) Received: (from dmurray@localhost) by ash.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.4/client) id OAA12090 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Wed, 23 Apr 1997 14:36:22 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 14:36:22 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199704231336.OAA12090@ash.sucs.soton.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: rankings X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk OK sorry everyone the rankings I put out were calculated beside the pitch at leicester so that they would be ready for anyone to read. as a result I made a couple of mistakes. so here is a correct listing (hopefully) 1 Shotgun 1 300 pts 2 catch 22 260 3 Druids 225 4 STAN 195 5 Shotgun 2 160 6 oxford 1 140 7 Violently happy 135 8 Chevron 135 9 First Touch 68 10 Red/jesters 65 11 Strange Blue 65 12 Headrush 60 13 Village 34 14 Squawks 34 15 SLUT 28 16 Floating Bloke 28 17 Sneeekies 24 18 Oxford 2 12 19 Jedi Children 12 20 PLaythings 12 21 BAF 9 22 Juniors 8 23 Uriel 5 24 Bliss/buns 4.5 25 Night fever 3 26 Hurricane 3 27 Superfly 2 28 Twin Peaks 1 29 Red 2 0.25 From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Apr 23 15:17:39 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id OAA02125; Wed, 23 Apr 1997 14:44:29 +0100 (BST) Received: from goole.octacon.co.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id OAA02117; Wed, 23 Apr 1997 14:44:20 +0100 (BST) Received: from mailgate.pantek.co.uk (post.pantek.co.uk [194.176.73.2]) by goole.octacon.co.uk (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA28127 for ; Wed, 23 Apr 1997 14:44:21 +0100 Received: by mailgate.pantek.co.uk with NT SMTP Gateway ver 31 id <335E120D@mailgate.pantek.co.uk>; Wed, 23 Apr 97 14:43:41 G From: "Williams, Mark" To: "'britdisc'" Subject: re: Leicester Results Date: Wed, 23 Apr 97 15:40:00 G Message-ID: <335E120D@mailgate.pantek.co.uk> X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk You missed us!!! Unless I have dreamed about all those cramp inducing hard games against the likes of Violently Happy and Oxford, we should have 135 points - please tell me all that effort was worth seeing our name in "lights". Mark Chevron From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Apr 24 15:10:00 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id OAA18811; Thu, 24 Apr 1997 14:29:23 +0100 (BST) Received: from relay-11.mail.demon.net by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id OAA18787; Thu, 24 Apr 1997 14:29:14 +0100 (BST) Received: from ultimatum.demon.co.uk ([158.152.203.174]) by relay-11.mail.demon.net id ab1117059; 24 Apr 97 13:45 BST Subject: LUS: "maybe" status for league players Date: Thu, 24 Apr 97 13:47:43 +0100 From: Paul Hurt To: BritDisc Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Message-ID: <861885938.1117059.1@ultimatum.demon.co.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk NEW "MAYBE" STATUS FOR LONDON ULTIMATE SESSION LEAGUE PLAYERS Hi, me again We're really close to having enough players to do this league. But not quite close enough. So, here's an idea that might just make the difference. If you were thinking of playing league, but weren't sure you could commit to making it every week, I now have a new class of league player just for you - a "maybe" player. "Maybe's" are assigned a team, just like "definite"-status players. There'll be an even number of maybe's on each team. As a maybe, you just show up whenever you can. If your team is playing a league game, you can play for them (as long as the other team captain is happy with this). I might also make the rule that league teams can't have more than three subs if they have any "maybe's" playing for them. Mind you, with the numbers we have at the moment, that's looking a pretty unlikely scenario! What you can't do as a maybe is just play for any team you like - you can only play for the team you're assigned to. Otherwise, the league begins to turn into a pickup game, which defeats the object. If your team isn't playing league the week you show up, please play in the pickup game. Please, if you can commit to the league, I'd rather people joined as "definites" - i.e. you're going to try and make it every week. But having a big pool of "maybes" gives us more of a chance of getting the numbers on the night. So, if you've held off committing to the league because of work, but you'd like to show up and play when you can, now's your chance - come and be a "maybe"! I still need the following info from you though: * Your name * Home phone no. * Daytime phone no. if poss * E-mail if you have it * BUF team you normally play for I can think of lots of people who've said that they'd like to play, but can't necessarily make every week. If that is or was you GET IN TOUCH WITH ME NOW! Telephone 0370 918719 (mobile) or e-mail me. **** And please pass this info on to your non-BritDisc team mates. **** MESSAGE FOR NON-LONDON PLAYERS: Apologies for boring everyone else on BritDisc with all this stuff. I never imagined it'd be this much of a problem to get going. I'll be starting posts with "LUS" from now on so you can filter out my crap. Sorry. Paul --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Hurt Editor, Ultimatum Magazine, London, England paul@ultimatum.demon.co.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Apr 25 10:38:35 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id KAA25185; Fri, 25 Apr 1997 10:11:54 +0100 (BST) Received: from maila.uscs.susx.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id KAA25171; Fri, 25 Apr 1997 10:11:42 +0100 (BST) Received: from solb5.central.susx.ac.uk by maila.uscs.susx.ac.uk with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #2) id m0wKh2j-000XEUC; Fri, 25 Apr 97 10:11 BST Received: by solb5.central.susx.ac.uk (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0wKh23-00063oC; Fri, 25 Apr 97 10:11 BST Message-Id: From: scu10@central.susx.ac.uk (Diana Worman) Subject: WUCC in Vancouver To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 10:11:06 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk > > Ian Stebbing wrote: > > > > > I have heard that some British women are planning on playing for Red Lights > > of Amsterdam. If my memory serves me right the 2 American women played for > > Bliss in Millfield were banned from representing their country for 2 years > > after playing. This probably did not affect them because they did not play > > for one of the top few American women's teams but will probably be relevant > > in this case. > > > > > Just wondering if those players going to represent Holland and not Great > > Britain have WFDF approval and realise the consequences. > Hi Britdisc, Since I started this I'd better lay out my opinion: Firstly, as far as I know six English players are picking up for RED LIGHTS... I am unaware of whether they are eligible or not. I don't actually care. In my opinion they should all be playing for GB. It is outrageous that this number of players should be allowed to play for a different country, when there are AT LEAST 10 players committed to playing, (eight of whom have tickets). How will womens ultimate in GB ever improve if the more experienced players defect to other teams? There should be stronger support within the BUF for situations like this, perhaps the creation of a national womens league, and encouragement for more geo-based womens teams. GB SHOULD BE REPRESENTED AT VANCOUVER Diana Worman (Mohawks) > From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Apr 25 11:47:33 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id LAA06089; Fri, 25 Apr 1997 11:22:10 +0100 (BST) Received: from nessie.mcc.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA06080; Fri, 25 Apr 1997 11:21:59 +0100 (BST) Received: from ccg.acu.man.ac.uk by nessie.mcc.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Fri, 25 Apr 1997 11:21:35 +0100 Received: from cc:Mail by ccg.acu.man.ac.uk (1.30/SMTPLink) id A23733; Fri, 25 Apr 97 11:08:31 GMT Date: Fri, 25 Apr 97 11:08:31 GMT From: Rob Mitchell Message-ID: <9704251108.A23733@ccg.acu.man.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: New contact details for Chevron Action Flash Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Text item: Text_1 All, after months of preparation, The Flash is about to move it's base of operations from the moss-side warzone to the leafy, apparently affluent, glades of didsbury. Needless to say our activities will shift away from hand-to-hand combat, towards subversion and counter-espionage. Join the cause or contact action hq now at: 7, The Beeches Mews West Didsbury Manchester M20 8PF telecommunicate on 0161 448 8672 Chairman Ken is waiting for your call. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Apr 25 12:23:11 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id LAA11788; Fri, 25 Apr 1997 11:58:40 +0100 (BST) Received: from stone.dcs.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA11777; Fri, 25 Apr 1997 11:58:32 +0100 (BST) Received: from guardian.dcs.warwick.ac.uk by stone.dcs.warwick.ac.uk; Thu, 24 Apr 1997 15:55:40 +0100 (BST) Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by guardian.dcs.warwick.ac.uk; Thu, 24 Apr 1997 14:49:12 GMT Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 15:55:38 +0100 (BST) From: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Message-Id: <4332.199704241455@pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id PAA04332; Thu, 24 Apr 1997 15:55:38 +0100 (BST) To: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: BOUNCE britdisc@warwick.ac.uk: Header line too long (>128) Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk >From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Apr 24 15:55:33 1997 remote from Received: from clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id PAA04321; Thu, 24 Apr 1997 15:55:33 +0100 (BST) From: Ian_Stebbing.C&L_GB.C&L_INT.C&L_US.C&L_US_EXTERNAL@NOTES.compuserve.com Received: from hil-img-9.compuserve.com by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id PAA12301; Thu, 24 Apr 1997 15:53:21 +0100 (BST) Received: by hil-img-9.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id KAA15408; Thu, 24 Apr 1997 10:47:42 -0400 Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 10:46:41 -0400 Subject: Re: WUCC in Vancouver To: "NOTES:\"scu10@central.susx.ac.uk (Diana Worman) @ internet@C&L US EXTERNAL\"" Cc: "INTERNET:britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk" Message-ID: <199704241046_MC2-14B6-78F6@compuserve.com> Diana wrote: Although 18 countries are entering the World Clubs in Vancouver, I would like to let everyone know that Great Britain will not be represented by a womens team..... This seems rather a shame especially as at one time we had 3 teams challenging for the right to go. I have heard that some British women are planning on playing for Red Lights of Amsterdam. If my memory serves me right the 2 American women played for Bliss in Millfield were banned from representing their country for 2 years after playing. This probably did not affect them because they did not play for one of the top few American women's teams but will probably be relevant in this case. Another relevant case is that of Manu (sorry not sure if I've spelled that right) who had to apply to the WFDF to play for Red Lights (or possibly Holland) at a World Championships because she no longer lived there and was a Belgian National even though she has lived and played for that team for a number of years! Just wondering if those players going to represent Holland and not Great Britain have WFDF approval and realise the consequences. Ian Stebbing Ian_Stebbing@gb.coopers.com From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Apr 25 12:30:52 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id MAA13050; Fri, 25 Apr 1997 12:05:55 +0100 (BST) Received: from server1.netxpress.co.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id MAA13032; Fri, 25 Apr 1997 12:05:46 +0100 (BST) Received: from aj216.du.pipex.com by server1.netxpress.co.uk via SMTP (940816.SGI.8.6.9/951211.SGI) for id MAA11936; Fri, 25 Apr 1997 12:05:28 +0100 Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 12:05:28 +0100 Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19970425110253.1e5f8a40@mailhost.netxpress.co.uk> X-Sender: expaa66@mailhost.netxpress.co.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: Alden Press Subject: Re: WUCC in Vancouver Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk At 10:11 25/04/97 +0100, you wrote: >> >> Ian Stebbing wrote: >> > >> >> > I have heard that some British women are planning on playing for Red Lights >> > of Amsterdam. If my memory serves me right the 2 American women played for >> > Bliss in Millfield were banned from representing their country for 2 years >> > after playing. This probably did not affect them because they did not play >> > for one of the top few American women's teams but will probably be relevant >> > in this case. >> > > >> > Just wondering if those players going to represent Holland and not Great >> > Britain have WFDF approval and realise the consequences. >> Your memory does NOT serve you right!!!! Can people please check these things out before they post it to britdisc and confuse everybody!!! Firstly, we are talking CLUBS here, not WORLDS or EUROPEANS which is where you represent your Country. Maybe the 2 American women's CLUB teams decided they could not play for them for 2 years because they played for another CLUB in Millfield - only they know the truth of that. Club rules for women are that 50% of the team should be (in this case) Red Lights (which they are - more in fact) and with regards to eligibility for other pickups (and I quote from the Vancouver TD) ' Don't worry about the eligibility rules, they are not that strict. If you get on the .......... team we don't expect you to play with them or stop playing with your normal team for the 3 months prior to the tournament.' Yes, the players going to represent 'RED LIGHTS' have spoken to BLISS about this. Tara ------------------------------------------ Alden Press Osney Mead Oxford OX2 OEF Tel: +44 (0)1865 253200 Fax: +44 (0)1865 249070 email: alden.press@alden.co.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Apr 25 12:31:49 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id MAA12351; Fri, 25 Apr 1997 12:02:02 +0100 (BST) Received: from venus.le.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id MAA12337; Fri, 25 Apr 1997 12:01:51 +0100 (BST) Received: from hawk.le.ac.uk by venus.le.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Fri, 25 Apr 1997 11:59:05 +0100 Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 11:58:57 +0100 (BST) From: Scott X-Sender: iws1@hawk To: Diana Worman cc: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Re: WUCC in Vancouver In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk On Fri, 25 Apr 1997, Diana Worman wrote: On the issue of eligibility; The rules for the women's division state that 50% of each club team must consist of players from that club (with the associated eligibility rules applying to those players) the remaining 50% can be any women they like. Nationality doesn't even come into it since this is a club competition not a National teams competition. If the two women Ian refers to were banned from playing for the US national team this would have been an act by the UPA not the WFDF. > There should be stronger support within the BUF for situations like > this, perhaps the creation of a national womens league, and > encouragement for more geo-based womens teams. So Dianna, since you have the enthusiasm why not become that "support within the BUF" I am sure Liz would welcome the help. Scott /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ SCOTT: Ian Scotland Tel: 0116 2525824 Fax: 0116 2523154 E-mail: iws1@le.ac.uk http://wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk/buf/ /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Apr 25 13:00:54 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id MAA18761; Fri, 25 Apr 1997 12:37:22 +0100 (BST) Received: from relay-11.mail.demon.net by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id MAA18751; Fri, 25 Apr 1997 12:37:14 +0100 (BST) Received: from ultimatum.demon.co.uk ([158.152.203.174]) by relay-11.mail.demon.net id aa1125796; 25 Apr 97 12:01 BST Subject: LUS: 4 days and counting... Date: Fri, 25 Apr 97 12:03:57 +0100 From: Paul Hurt To: BritDisc Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Message-ID: <861966109.1125796.0@ultimatum.demon.co.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk LONDON ULTIMATE SESSION * CLAPHAM COMMON * TUESDAY 29TH APRIL Happy to report that all systems are go. Expecting a successful launch at T - about 4 days. League players will receive final info by e-mail on Monday. If you're not in it already, shouldn't you be? It's not too late... Check http://www.ultimatum.demon.co.uk/lus/ for details. See y'all there, Paul --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Hurt Editor, Ultimatum Magazine, London, England paul@ultimatum.demon.co.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Apr 25 13:06:27 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id MAA16870; Fri, 25 Apr 1997 12:28:50 +0100 (BST) Received: from dira.bris.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id MAA16849; Fri, 25 Apr 1997 12:28:41 +0100 (BST) Received: from mail.bris.ac.uk by dira.bris.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Fri, 25 Apr 1997 12:25:38 +0100 Received: from [137.222.156.56] (langah21.lang.bris.ac.uk [137.222.156.56]) by mail.bris.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA04480 for ; Fri, 25 Apr 1997 12:20:04 +0100 (BST) Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 12:19:20 +0100 From: Raf.Freire@Bristol.ac.uk Subject: Re: WUCC in vancouver To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Fellow opinionists, Lets not forget that the first C in WUCC stands for club. If certain british women consider themselves affiliated to clubs outside the UK then good for them. They should not be held accountable for the present state of British womens ultimate. Nonetheless I sympathise with Diana Worman's complaint (is it?) that the BUF is doing FA about the state of women's ultimate. The BUF has after all taken its most familiar stance in a crisis, sticking its head in the sand. Good luck to all players at WUCC Rafi (shotgun) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Apr 25 13:29:42 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id NAA22512; Fri, 25 Apr 1997 13:01:02 +0100 (BST) Received: from lehman.Lehman.COM by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id NAA22480; Fri, 25 Apr 1997 13:00:45 +0100 (BST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by lehman.Lehman.COM (8.7.5/8.6.12) id IAA07378 for ; Fri, 25 Apr 1997 08:00:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unknown(146.127.39.20) by lehman via smap (V1.3) id tmp007375; Fri Apr 25 08:00:30 1997 Received: from london123.lehman.com by relay.lehman.com (SMI-8.6/LB-0.6) id IAA24300; Fri, 25 Apr 1997 08:00:28 -0400 Received: from london123 (localhost) by london123.lehman.com (4.1/Lehman Bros. V1.6) id AA08720; Fri, 25 Apr 97 13:00:26 BST Message-Id: <33609CDA.167EB0E7@lehman.com> Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 13:00:26 +0100 From: Aram Flores Organization: Lehman Brothers, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (X11; I; SunOS 4.1.3 sun4m) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Re: WUCC in Vancouver References: <4332.199704241455@pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Ian Stebbing wrote: > I have heard that some British women are planning on playing for Red > Lights of Amsterdam. If my memory serves me right the 2 American women > played for Bliss in Millfield were banned from representing their country > for 2 years after playing. This probably did not affect them because they > did not play for one of the top few American women's teams but will > probably be relevant in this case. > > Just wondering if those players going to represent Holland and not Great > Britain have WFDF approval and realise the consequences. > I'm afraid you've got this wrong Ian, one of the women that played for Bliss at Millfield, Bronwyn Ryan, played for Lady Godiva at Worlds in Sweden the next summer. And yes I agree that it would be better to send a womens GB club team to Vancouver. However, having six players play with the Dutch is better than no GB women going at all. Aram From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Apr 25 13:46:48 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id NAA24952; Fri, 25 Apr 1997 13:17:09 +0100 (BST) Received: from vulcan by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id NAA24937; Fri, 25 Apr 1997 13:17:03 +0100 (BST) Received: from hawk.le.ac.uk by vulcan with SMTP (PP); Fri, 25 Apr 1997 13:07:40 +0100 Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 13:07:14 +0100 (BST) From: Scott X-Sender: iws1@hawk To: Raf.Freire@Bristol.ac.uk cc: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Re: WUCC in vancouver In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Rafi wrote.... > ultimate. Nonetheless I sympathise with Diana Worman's complaint (is it?) that > the BUF is doing FA about the state of women's ultimate. The BUF has after all > taken its most familiar stance in a crisis, sticking its head in the sand. Let's not forget who and what the BUF is.... It is a federation of clubs, it's members being the clubs who belong to the BUF. Who the BUF is you Rafi (possible Shotgun rep at BUF council meetings) and you Dianna. Please explain to me with all this new found rhetoric you seem to have found, why less than 1/3 of the clubs are ever represented at BUF meetings. Players and clubs alike should stop seeing the BUF as some higher body and get involved.... it's your organisation. If you want action to be taken in this matter then ask the BUF secretary to call a meeting of the member clubs (you are now paid up member of the BUF aren't you?) and put forward a motion. If you don't then you (who are after all a part of the BUF) can be accuse of sticking your head in the sand! As officers of the BUF the likes of myself are simply carrying out the wishes of you the members. If seems that we have our head in the sand then its as a result of membership apathy. Don't get me started Scott BUF National Director - your servant! /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ SCOTT: Ian Scotland Tel: 0116 2525824 Fax: 0116 2523154 E-mail: iws1@le.ac.uk http://wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk/buf/ /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Apr 25 14:28:47 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id NAA02098; Fri, 25 Apr 1997 13:57:47 +0100 (BST) Received: from amsta.leeds.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id NAA02072; Fri, 25 Apr 1997 13:57:37 +0100 (BST) Received: from newton.leeds.amsta (newton.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.64]) by amsta.leeds.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA19030 for ; Fri, 25 Apr 1997 13:57:45 +0100 (BST) Received: by newton.leeds.amsta (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id NAA11130; Fri, 25 Apr 1997 13:58:33 +0100 Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 13:58:33 +0100 From: amtsjh@amsta.leeds.ac.uk (S J Hill) Message-Id: <199704251258.NAA11130@newton.leeds.amsta> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Re: WUCC in vancouver X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk In predictable reply to Rafi: > Fellow opinionists, and people of the BUF... > Lets not forget that the first C in WUCC stands for club. If certain british > women consider themselves affiliated to clubs outside the UK then good for them. > They should not be held accountable for the present state of British womens > ultimate. A few things that are happening that will help the 'state of British women's ultimate' (in no particular order) - co-ed tourneys - more Open Women Practices (see how many of these there are coming up) eg Practice/Hat Tournament in Leeds on 10/11 May - more women's tourneys like indoor and outdoor nats of last couple of yrs - greater regionalization at student level (yeah - this is not so popular in general - but it will help in this case) Of course Scott has also replied... but I want to say something also!! People who deserve credit for the above in particular: Sue Underwood and Liz Bourne for the stuff relating directly to women, and also Scott for getting on with CoEd tourneys. The main thing would appear to be to attract more women to the game at uni level and KEEP THEM PLAYING. I think the above will help. I'm sure there are other things that can be done. (From my end, I have avoided organising women's tourneys alongside the tour events and nationals because many mixed-club players don't like it.) > Nonetheless I sympathise with Diana Worman's complaint (is it?) that > the BUF is doing FA about the state of women's ultimate. The BUF has after all > taken its most familiar stance in a crisis, sticking its head in the sand. Is that next to the heads of all the Shotgun players who wanted more competition but wouldn't play for anyone else? Our heads are out of the sand on that question and it seems to be working so far. If you have some constructive suggestions on the women's issue please share them with us all. > Good luck to all players at WUCC yeah Si From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Apr 25 14:35:29 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id OAA04985; Fri, 25 Apr 1997 14:12:44 +0100 (BST) Received: from violet.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id OAA04958; Fri, 25 Apr 1997 14:12:33 +0100 (BST) Received: from admin.warwick.ac.uk by violet.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id OAA17616; Fri, 25 Apr 1997 14:12:10 +0100 (BST) Received: from SIGMA/MERCURY by admin.warwick.ac.uk (Mercury 1.21); 25 Apr 97 14:13:01 +0000 Received: from MERCURY by SIGMA (Mercury 1.21); 25 Apr 97 14:12:43 +0000 From: "DEREK ROBINS" Organization: University of Warwick, CV4 7AL, UK To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 14:12:35 +0000 (GMT) Subject: BUF and Women's Clubs X-mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.1 (R1a) Message-ID: <1874DE260F3@admin.warwick.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk In response to Rafi who wrote, >>>>>>>>>>>> Lets not forget that the first C in WUCC stands for club. If certain british women consider themselves affiliated to clubs outside the UK then good for them. They should not be held accountable for the present state of British womens ultimate. Nonetheless I sympathise with Diana Worman's complaint (is it?) that the BUF is doing FA about the state of women's ultimate. The BUF has after all taken its most familiar stance in a crisis, sticking its head in the sand. >>>>>>>>>>>> As someone involved in running a disc sports association it irks me greatly when intelligent people such as Rafi resort to slagging off THEIR association. It is just such a cop out!!!!! It contributes absolutely nothing to improving matters. If you think something/someone is wrong then you should make a constructive criticism, otherwise you will merely demoralise people who do actually make a contribution to the sport and make a large sacrifice of time to do so. Criticise where you see fit but PLEASE identify where things have gone wrong. Which person or committee has failed and what should they have done? In most cases it is a lack of interest/involvement from the actual player base which results in a lack of progress and this may be no fault of the organisation. Regarding the lack of GB Women's teams at WUCC it is indeed sad. What can the BUF do about it? If individuals decide to play for foreign teams I don't see what the BUF can do about it - it is a matter for clubs and individuals and Rafi certainly seems to take that stance. I would also question whether the "state of British women's Ultimate" is really so bad. Sure things could be better, but I think a lot of progress has been made. People like Sue Underwood have put in much effort to organise womens ultimate and the BUF has largely been incidental to that. This is how things should happen - people need to take the responsibility to improve matters THEMSELVES. So Rafi, its back to you. Do you just like throwing mud and thus discouraging people from sticking their heads above the parapet and taking responsibility or do you have something constructive to contribute? Let's hear it! Del (STAN, BDGA, not a current BUF officer) *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*- Derek Robins | | D.J.Robins@admin.warwick.ac.uk Finance Office | | Tel 01203 522710 University of Warwick | | Fax 01203 524573 Coventry CV4 7AL | | Home 01926 864136 *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*- From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Apr 25 15:09:48 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id OAA09328; Fri, 25 Apr 1997 14:38:14 +0100 (BST) Received: from E-MAIL.COM by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id OAA09291; Fri, 25 Apr 1997 14:37:51 +0100 (BST) Received: from IMXGATE.COM by E-MAIL.COM (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with BSMTP id 7031; Fri, 25 Apr 97 09:36:56 EDT Received: from Pluto.greigfester.com by imxgate.com (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with TCP; Fri, 25 Apr 97 09:36:47 EDT Received: by Pluto.greigfester.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63) id <01BC5186.4F3F7E80@Pluto.greigfester.com>; Fri, 25 Apr 1997 14:38:15 +0100 Message-ID: From: "Wagstaff, Colin" To: "'Britdisc'" Subject: WUCC 97 Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 14:37:00 +0100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Dear all, I'm sure we all have our opinion on the subject of British Women playing for a Non-British team in Vancouver this summer, and I hope all British Nationals would agree with me. If it is at all possible to have GB women represented in a British team at the World's largest club tournament then surely we all, BUF, Women players and Open players alike should encourage and assist where ever possible. If on the other hand it becomes apparent that there is not enough players who are willing to go then those few who are still interested may seek which ever route they think is appropriate to get to WUCC 97. >From my understanding of today's talk on BD and numerous conversations with individuals over the last couple of weeks/months there are enough (approx 15+) British Women who are committed to going to Vancouver.......... So comes the question why don't those intent on going play together on the same team....................? I think all players not only in the U.K but the world over would be quite interested why it appears we (Great Britain) cannot field a women's team at WUCC 97. Whether it is the Women who need more support or the Women who need to get their lives sorted out is a subject which needs to be addressed. Where to start, I don't know? But wouldn't the Women's co-ordinator/all women players in GB be a good idea. Yours, In hope of seeing a GB Women's team in Vancouver, Colin, Druids. Wagstaff_C@Greigfester.com From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Apr 25 15:59:15 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id PAA17283; Fri, 25 Apr 1997 15:27:25 +0100 (BST) Received: from violet.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id PAA17269; Fri, 25 Apr 1997 15:27:22 +0100 (BST) Received: from admin.warwick.ac.uk by violet.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id PAA18592; Fri, 25 Apr 1997 15:27:17 +0100 (BST) Received: from SIGMA/MERCURY by admin.warwick.ac.uk (Mercury 1.21); 25 Apr 97 15:28:04 +0000 Received: from MERCURY by SIGMA (Mercury 1.21); 25 Apr 97 15:27:57 +0000 From: "DEREK ROBINS" Organization: University of Warwick, CV4 7AL, UK To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 15:27:54 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Disc Golf and Disc Review on TV X-mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.1 (R1a) Message-ID: <1888EE83CAF@admin.warwick.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk The Really Useful Show on Monday 11.05 - 11.35 am on BBC1 will feature Disc Golf and a review of discs. It should have featured Ultimate too, but the crew was late arriving at the Bears practice and all the players had buggered off, which was a great shame. The Disc Golf was filmed at my Quarry Park course and features me and a reporter (she had no disc skills) The disc review features Sammy and some rugby players who happened to be in the vicinity. It's daytime tv so it's not serious journalism/broadcasting but it should be amusing and reasonably informative. ################## This Saturday afternoon Central News are filming disc golf at Quarry Park. If you want to come along, play some golf and maybe appear on local tele you are welcome to. I don't know when this will be broadcast. Del *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*- Derek Robins | | D.J.Robins@admin.warwick.ac.uk Finance Office | | Tel 01203 522710 University of Warwick | | Fax 01203 524573 Coventry CV4 7AL | | Home 01926 864136 *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*- From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Apr 25 16:02:38 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id PAA17412; Fri, 25 Apr 1997 15:28:05 +0100 (BST) Received: from dira.bris.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id PAA17393; Fri, 25 Apr 1997 15:28:00 +0100 (BST) Received: from mail.bris.ac.uk by dira.bris.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Fri, 25 Apr 1997 15:23:35 +0100 Received: from [137.222.156.56] (langah21.lang.bris.ac.uk [137.222.156.56]) by mail.bris.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA21810 for ; Fri, 25 Apr 1997 15:14:07 +0100 (BST) Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 15:13:22 +0100 From: Raf.Freire@Bristol.ac.uk Subject: reply To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Thanks to Si Hill for taking the trouble to point out what is going on as far as promoting the women's game in this country. Here's hoping that something comes from it all before the next world clubs. Unfortunately, his comment about shotgun players not playing for other teams was pointed in the wrong direction, as I have served my fair stint in Samurai and Sneekies. If its of any interest to anybody, I don't agree that all members should have equal say in BUF matters. Instead, players should make a point of getting involved in matters that concern them. I'm sure Diana wouldn't want me saying how women's ultimate should be run any more than I'd like her telling me how to compete at international level. So my involvement in women's ultimate extends as far as discussing things with Liz Bourne now and again. I hope the BUF (we) can tolerate members who contribute despite having a different view. As far as scott's accusation of membership apathy is concerned, he knows perfectly well that I have tried harder than anybody else in this country (and failed) to change the present running of the GB open team on more than one occassion (something that does concern me). As far as going to a BUF meeting on the saturday night of a tournament, no mate, I'd rather be out having fun but you're doing a grand job (despite not being the way I would do it). Rafi From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Apr 25 16:16:39 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id PAA20526; Fri, 25 Apr 1997 15:46:07 +0100 (BST) Received: from polaris.kbw.co.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id PAA20516; Fri, 25 Apr 1997 15:46:01 +0100 (BST) Received: from polaris.kbw.co.uk by polaris.kbw.co.uk (NTMail 3.02.10) with ESMTP id ba006787 for ; Fri, 25 Apr 1997 15:46:17 +0100 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970425155024.0094d700@mail> X-Sender: roger@mail X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 15:50:25 +0100 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: Roger Thomson Subject: Re: WUCC in vancouver - and togetherness Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk At 13:58 25/04/97 +0100, Si Hill wrote: >Is that next to the heads of all the Shotgun players who wanted more >competition but wouldn't play for anyone else? No Simon, because if our heads are in the sand your head is definitely up your arse on this issue (despite your usual level-headedness). I've addressed this to Britdisc in order to help unplug the butts of all the other simple-minded persons (and there are lots) who share and voice this opinion every now and again. If you're not interested - read no further. Of the 28 players on or roster less than 10 do not live in London. The heart of Shotgun live within several miles of each other in South London. We party together. We work together. We don't just play together. It therefore makes good sense for us all to play together, and it would be ridiculous for us to play for anyone else. Can you see Pete Harvey playing with the Playthings? As it happens the quality of play at our pratices as well as at tournaments attracts good players who are less than challenged playing for their own teams. Where else in the country can you go and get such a high standard practice twice a week if you're a skilled player? Frankly there are more and more athletes entering the sport who much prefer playing with other athletes in a competitive game than with the average 'I play Ultimate because I didn't play any other sport before university and it looked fun' kind of player - and we provide that environment. The reason these players flock to us is that NOONE else provides that environment. If there was even one other team that provided that kind of regular game Shotgun would probably pick up less than half of these players and 'Game on!'. Until another team is prepared to put as much into playing as our players we'll stay at the top. We shouldn't be criticised for that commitment and the resulting quality of play. What we want is more competition at our level, not competition at your level. In five years time we'd rather there were 5 teams of our quality than one more team of your quality. This will be a long time in coming and we believe the best way of achieving it is to provide great practices so that we can develop better skills and share them with players from other teams. Without this the standard of British Ultimate will not improve as quickly and we'll be as left behind as we are in other sports. Just remember: Who taught Catch 22 the new offence they had developed and has introduced the idea that you can play more than stack offence to the masses? Which team do 2 out of 3 of the GB captains play for? Which team in this country practices the most and sets the best example of how a team can be successful if they work at it? Which team welcomes and gets top players from other teams at their regular practices, thereby giving these players a chance to stay in shape and improve disc skills? Which team outranks all the other British team at EVERY international tournament they attend? And please don't think that I'm just blowing the Shotgun trumpet - I'm trying to make you think...Our dominance should worry the rest of you when you stop to consider how far behind the best world club teams Shotgun is. We can't just assume that Ultimate in this country will evolve into a more competitive sport; people have to make it evolve and while the BUF has worked wonders at the grass roots level, noone looks after things at the top level. Controversial as always, Roger SHOTGUN From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Apr 25 17:08:00 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id QAA27410; Fri, 25 Apr 1997 16:26:53 +0100 (BST) Received: from vulcan by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id QAA27395; Fri, 25 Apr 1997 16:26:46 +0100 (BST) Received: from hawk.le.ac.uk by vulcan with SMTP (PP); Fri, 25 Apr 1997 16:21:09 +0100 Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 16:20:50 +0100 (BST) From: Scott X-Sender: iws1@hawk To: Roger Thomson cc: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Re: WUCC in vancouver - and togetherness In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19970425155024.0094d700@mail> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Roger writes... (alot) and I will be the first to agree with him... I just have a few comments for those who are interested. > The reason these players flock to us is that NO-ONE else provides that > environment. If there was even one other team that provided that kind of > regular game Shotgun would probably pick up less than half of these players > and 'Game on!'. That and the fact that most graduates get their first job in London, most enquiries the BUF receive from foreign players are from those visiting or moving to London and frankly there are a hell of a lot more people living in London than anywhere else in the UK! > What we want is more competition at our level, not competition at your > level. In five years time we'd rather there were 5 teams of our quality > than one more team of your quality. There will be at least 2 provided we can hold onto the players we spend years training for them to move to London and make the only logical choice and play for Shotgun. (Speaking for Red Jesters) > Who taught Catch 22 the new offence they had developed and has introduced > the idea that you can play more than stack offence to the masses? I think it was Red. Last year we used an Isolator offence against Shotgun at Eastbourne and only lost by a point. I picked it up of the Finnish and German teams at Sweden. > Which team in this country practices the most and sets the best example of Red manage 3 times a week, I've heard Stan manage Seven Times A Night! > Which team welcomes and gets top players from other teams at their regular > practices, thereby giving these players a chance to stay in shape and > improve disc skills? We do, so when are you coming to visit? > Which team outranks all the other British team at EVERY international > tournament they attend? You gotta respect that call! > And please don't think that I'm just blowing the Shotgun trumpet - I'm > trying to make you think...Our dominance should worry the rest of you when > you stop to consider how far behind the best world club teams Shotgun is. > We can't just assume that Ultimate in this country will evolve into a more > competitive sport; people have to make it evolve and while the BUF has > worked wonders at the grass roots level, noone looks after things at the > top level. So what's the tour about then? Scott /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ SCOTT: Ian Scotland Tel: 0116 2525824 Fax: 0116 2523154 E-mail: iws1@le.ac.uk http://wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk/buf/ /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Apr 25 17:25:40 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id QAA27727; Fri, 25 Apr 1997 16:28:47 +0100 (BST) Received: from violet.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id QAA27707; Fri, 25 Apr 1997 16:28:43 +0100 (BST) Received: from admin.warwick.ac.uk by violet.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id QAA19400; Fri, 25 Apr 1997 16:28:37 +0100 (BST) Received: from SIGMA/MERCURY by admin.warwick.ac.uk (Mercury 1.21); 25 Apr 97 16:29:23 +0000 Received: from MERCURY by SIGMA (Mercury 1.21); 25 Apr 97 16:29:19 +0000 From: "DEREK ROBINS" Organization: University of Warwick, CV4 7AL, UK To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 16:29:10 +0000 (GMT) Subject: BUF and Womens Ultimate X-mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.1 (R1a) Message-ID: <18994BF79A7@admin.warwick.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Rafi wrote anongst other things.. Instead, players should make a point of getting involved in matters that concern them. I'm sure Diana wouldn't want me saying how women's ultimate should be run any more than I'd like her telling me how to compete at international level. So my involvement in women's ultimate extends as far as discussing things with Liz Bourne now and again. I hope the BUF (we) can tolerate members who contribute despite having a different view. [unquote] I can agree with all this but my sadly lacking in Rafi's answer is any justification or clarification for writing .... [quote] the BUF is doing FA about the state of women's ultimate. The BUF has after all taken its most familiar stance in a crisis, sticking its head in the sand. [unquote] Come on Rafi, first you slag off the "BUF" for having it's head in the sand, and doing FA, then you say that it should be up to the women to sort things out for themselves anyway. You chucked the mud in an unhelpful way and I think you need to either redirect it somewhere specific so that someone deals with a valid criticism or alternatively retract your comments. I should point out that I have respect for Rafi because he does get involved in matters which concern him. He stood for BDGA Competitions Director when he didn't like the way a Golf tournament was run. I am labouring the point about being specific because too many people are happy to slag off their own VOLUNTARY organisation without stating their grounds or offering any helpful insight, and if you are a volunteer organiser this is really demoralising. Del *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*- Derek Robins | | D.J.Robins@admin.warwick.ac.uk Finance Office | | Tel 01203 522710 University of Warwick | | Fax 01203 524573 Coventry CV4 7AL | | Home 01926 864136 *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*- From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Apr 25 22:19:17 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id VAA27880; Fri, 25 Apr 1997 21:58:55 +0100 (BST) Received: from arl-img-7.compuserve.com by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id VAA27863; Fri, 25 Apr 1997 21:58:49 +0100 (BST) Received: by arl-img-7.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id QAA27594; Fri, 25 Apr 1997 16:58:18 -0400 Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 16:57:30 -0400 From: Aike Arnheim <106400.277@compuserve.com> Subject: WUCC in Vancouver To: BritDisc Message-ID: <199704251655_MC2-1567-DD86@compuserve.com> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk As previous organiser of the Nuns, don't know whether we will ever exist again! I feel there is a need for a co-ordinator for Womens Club teams, (WHY CAN'T WE DO IT OURSELVES) we have just proved it! GB had 2 allocations for Vancouver thanks to the GB seeding from Sweden, at Nationals it was decide that Twin Peaks were not interested in entering a team to Vancouver which left space for Nuns. Then followed several hours for sorting flyers 'phone calls emails and alike to try and attract players interest in Vancouver. After the first practice there was around 15 players interested, the second around 12 and half of them off to the Bliss practice the next day. The Nuns then feel apart due to lack of interest and a desire to play for Bliss (who can blame them). Now two months down the line Bliss no longer have enough players. I have not been contacted by anyone other than Katy James (ex Nun) who tried to salvage Bliss after Hitchin. If their are a problem with numbers why not contact the Womens team contact in Ultimatium and ask whether their are intersted players, prior to 4 weeks before the rostered hand in date. I feel the one of the largest problems in womens ultimate is the break down in communication, people may feel thems too proud, too unworthy, or whatever. Personal I feel that if a less experienced player should get very involved/involved in Womens ultimate that they would not be respected or listened to by some of the more experienced players because there standard of play. Which has nothing to do with the fact that they may be a damm good organiser and want women ultimate to go far in this country. All that leaves me to do is get more involved in the BUF, which I will now make every effort to, it's just such a shame it's all fallen apart this year. Before I get slated for my views, this is how I feel, I can't be wrong, but if there are some facts that you would like to tell me please do! Vanessa ex Nun tarting with BAF (at the MO!) on my flatmates email address > > Ian Stebbing wrote: > > > > > I have heard that some British women are planning on playing for Red Lights > > of Amsterdam. If my memory serves me right the 2 American women played for > > Bliss in Millfield were banned from representing their country for 2 years > > after playing. This probably did not affect them because they did not play > > for one of the top few American women's teams but will probably be relevant > > in this case. > > > > > Just wondering if those players going to represent Holland and not Great > > Britain have WFDF approval and realise the consequences. > Hi Britdisc, Since I started this I'd better lay out my opinion: Firstly, as far as I know six English players are picking up for RED LIGHTS... I am unaware of whether they are eligible or not. I don't actually care. In my opinion they should all be playing for GB. It is outrageous that this number of players should be allowed to play for a different country, when there are AT LEAST 10 players committed to playing, (eight of whom have tickets). How will womens ultimate in GB ever improve if the more experienced players defect to other teams? There should be stronger support within the BUF for situations like this, perhaps the creation of a national womens league, and encouragement for more geo-based womens teams. GB SHOULD BE REPRESENTED AT VANCOUVER Diana Worman (Mohawks) > From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sun Apr 27 20:20:56 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id TAA20127; Sun, 27 Apr 1997 19:54:41 +0100 (BST) Received: from phidelta.demon.co.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id TAA20121; Sun, 27 Apr 1997 19:54:36 +0100 (BST) Date: Sun, 27 Apr 1997 19:46:21 GMT From: LayoutDreams@phidelta.demon.co.uk (Layout Dreams) Reply-To: LayoutDreams@phidelta.demon.co.uk Message-Id: <6005@phidelta.demon.co.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Tour III - Swindon Entrants X-Organisation: Layout Dreams X-WWW: http://www.phidelta.demon.co.uk/layoutdreams/ X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Lines: 24 Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk All teams, Tournament Entrance Deadline is 5 May 97 so far... 18 teams have paid the deposit to the BUF ONLY 4 teams have paid the Tournament Entry Fees Please get your organiser/treasurer to sort out getting you entered. If you're a team that received an invitation but ISN'T coming, please let me know (especially the studenmt teams). If you haven't received an invitation (most open and student teams have!) and want one, contact me. I look forward to hearing from you Wayne _____________________________________________________________________________ Chris Hughes layoutDREAMS Wayne Retter +44/0-151-994-2629 LayoutDreams@phidelta.demon.co.uk +44/0-1737-242109 http://www.phidelta.demon.co.uk/layout.htm From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Apr 28 08:07:26 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id HAA00225; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 07:48:18 +0100 (BST) Received: from crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id HAA00219; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 07:48:15 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 07:48:14 +0100 (BST) From: Mr R C Doswell Message-Id: <13759.199704280648@crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Received: by crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk id HAA13759; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 07:48:14 +0100 (BST) To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: BUF Events Reminder Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk British Ultimate Federation Disc Events Diary --------------------------------------------- May 1997 -------- Saturday 3 May 1997 BUF National Junior Outdoors (2 days) @ Gosport, Hampshire Freezzz Beezzz 5th International Outdoor Ultimate Tournament (2 days) (Non-UK event) @ Brugge, BE Sunday 4 May 1997 GB Open Team practice (1 day) @ Warwick Saturday 10 May 1997 Womens Hat Tournament (2 days) @ Leeds Saturday 17 May 1997 Kowpat '97 (Spice Beef - The Horny Tourny) (2 days) @ Milton Keynes Nottingham Outdoors (2 days) @ Nottingham Saturday 24 May 1997 GB Open Team practice (2 days) @ London (Note may be Sat/Sun OR Sun/Mon) Saturday 31 May 1997 BUF Tour III (2 days) @ Swindon June 1997 --------- Saturday 7 June 1997 International Ultimate Frisbee Student Tournament (2 days) (Non-UK event) @ University of Karlsruhe, DE Red Co-ed Outdoors (2 days) @ Countesthorpe, Leicester Saturday 14 June 1997 Exeter Hat Tourny (2 days) @ Exter GB Women (squad only) practice (1 day) @ TBA Sunday 15 June 1997 GB Open Team practice + GB Women and open womens practice (1 day) @ TBA Saturday 21 June 1997 BUF Tour IV : Southampton Outdoors (2 days) @ Southampton July 1997 --------- Saturday 5 July 1997 BUF Tour V (2 days) @ Double Locks, Exeter Friday 11 July 1997 Warwick Bears 21st Reunion (3 days) TBC @ University of Warwick Saturday 12 July 1997 GB Women (squad only) practice (1 day) @ Warwick Sunday 13 July 1997 GB Open Team practice + GB Women and womens open practice (1 day) @ TBA (Warwick?) Sunday 27 July 1997 World Ultimate Club Championships (WUCC'97) (7 days) (Non-UK event) @ Vancouver, CA August 1997 ----------- Saturday 2 August 1997 LUCC (Lurkers Ultimate Club Championships!) (2 days) TBC @ TBA Sunday 10 August 1997 GB Open Team practice + GB women and womens open practice (1 day) @ TBA Saturday 16 August 1997 Ross-on-Wye (2 days) TBC @ Ross-On-Wye! Saturday 23 August 1997 1997 BDGA Championships (2 days) (Non-Ultimate) TBC Sunday 24 August 1997 EFDF European Ultimate Championships (7 days) @ Millfield School, Street, Somerset, UK September 1997 -------------- Thursday 11 September 1997 British Open (4 days) Saturday 27 September 1997 BUF National Finals (outdoor) (2 days) @ Time is running out for anyone interested in hosting this! October 1997 ------------ Saturday 25 October 1997 BUF Regional Championships (3 REGIONS) (2 days) @ ***TDs required*** (date is flexible) --------------------------------------------------------------- British Ultimate Federation Disc Events Diary http://www.csv.warwick.ac.uk:5201/cgi-bin/diary Ranulf Doswell, ralf@dcs.warwick.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Apr 28 12:25:09 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id LAA00230; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 11:56:10 +0100 (BST) Received: from violet.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA00216; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 11:56:04 +0100 (BST) Received: from admin.warwick.ac.uk by violet.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA28558; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 11:55:59 +0100 (BST) Received: from SIGMA/MERCURY by admin.warwick.ac.uk (Mercury 1.21); 28 Apr 97 11:56:47 +0000 Received: from MERCURY by SIGMA (Mercury 1.21); 28 Apr 97 11:56:42 +0000 From: "DEREK ROBINS" Organization: University of Warwick, CV4 7AL, UK To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 11:56:32 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Media Blitz! - Central TV, BBC TV, and GQ Active X-mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.1 (R1a) Message-ID: <1CD0B856758@admin.warwick.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Central News came and filmed at Quarry Park on Saturday and the piece may well be broadcast this evening (Monday) depending on what other stories come up. I very nearly managed to produce an hole-in-one for the camera. On the fifth hole my drive crashed into the chains but just dropped out of the back! Oooh that would have been so sweet!! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Really Useful Show on BBC 1 has just broadcast it's piece on disc sports. I have not yet seen it but have heard good reports. Apparently they dug up some Ultimate footage to add to the Disc Golf and disc reviews which they filmed on Wednesday. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The June issue of GQ Active will be on sale now or very soon. They sent an advance copy with my article on How To Throw A Frisbee. It appears on page 15. Unfortunately they cocked up on the illustrations and showed a sidearm grip on one of them despite the fact that I only covered throwing a backhand. They also should have included some arrows to illustrate the directions referred to in the text. Without doubt the most noteworthy feature (for any one who knows me) is that the illustrations are actually of me, BUT they have added HAIR!!!! Obviously baldness does not fit with the image of the magazine! Del *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*- Derek Robins | | D.J.Robins@admin.warwick.ac.uk Finance Office | | Tel 01203 522710 University of Warwick | | Fax 01203 524573 Coventry CV4 7AL | | Home 01926 864136 *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*- From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Apr 28 13:01:57 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id MAA06014; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 12:28:18 +0100 (BST) Received: from [137.205.222.1] by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id MAA05913; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 12:27:38 +0100 (BST) X-Sender: serai@mail.csv.warwick.ac.uk Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 12:29:33 +0100 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk, xjim@sol.tilehill.ac.uk, kjg@maunsell.co.uk From: D.P.Neilson@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Dave Neilson) Subject: New life as VR cartoon? Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Derek Robins writes: >Without doubt the most >noteworthy feature (for any one who knows me) is that the illustrations >are actually of me, BUT they have added HAIR!!!! Obviously baldness does >not fit with the image of the magazine! Indeed, Derek was so impressed by his new look that he plans to explore the possibility of undergoing a reality transplant. He hopes to suspend his real life role and continue as a Virtual Reality cartoon. At first he will be restricted to two dimensions and line drawing, but with the artist's co-operation he will have unlimited hairstyles and really neat clothes to wear. Once the software has been re-written to suit his unique attributes, he hopes to appear in full colour in one of the other glossy mags - keep checking your local newsagents. Derek believes that this new role will allow him unrivalled access to the media as his image can be converted into any of the standard formats (GIF, JPEG, BetaMAX and even 12 inch Long Play). He promises to use this position to promote disc sports and not simply as a means to rub shoulders (etc.) with pop stars and fashion models. Rumour has it that Derek has harboured plans to transfer to VR ever since seeing the disc throwing character in the computer film TRON - who knows, with the latest gadgetry he may even appear alongside Jean-Luc Picard in his favourite Star Trek show and get to interface with Commander Data himself to exchange some interesting stats. Your Standalous Cartoon Reporter, Sporting Sam. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Apr 29 14:08:32 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id NAA21603; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 13:34:55 +0100 (BST) Received: from oxmail4.ox.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id NAA21591; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 13:34:47 +0100 (BST) Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk by oxmail4 with SMTP (PP) with ESMTP; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 13:34:40 +0100 Received: from localhost (immd0001@localhost) by ermine.ox.ac.uk (1.1/8.8.3) with SMTP id NAA13718 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 13:34:24 +0100 (BST) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 13:34:23 +0100 (BST) From: paul meaney To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: rotterdam directions Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi all, does anyone have maps/ directions of how to get to the pitches in rotterdam? I'm having extreme difficulty in downloading stufff from the airbreakers homepage. Paul. //////////////////////////////////\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ ****************************************************************************** Kryten: sir, you must forgive Mr Rimmer, he's suffering from a stress- related nervous disorder Lister: Next time I see him he'll be suffering from a fist- related teeth disorder ****************************************************************************** \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\//////////////////////////////////////////// From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Apr 29 16:10:12 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id PAA13015; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 15:40:15 +0100 (BST) Received: from adeskgate.autodesk.com by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id PAA12995; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 15:39:59 +0100 (BST) Received: from autodesk.autodesk.com by adeskgate.autodesk.com (8.6.12/SMI-5.3) with ESMTP id GAA11774; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 06:46:06 -0700 Received: from vector.eur.autodesk.com by autodesk.autodesk.com (8.6.12/4.4BSD) with ESMTP id GAA23170; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 06:44:15 -0700 Received: from esc-ccs by vector.eur.autodesk.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id PAA00558; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 15:43:23 +0200 Received: from ccMail by esc-ccs (SMTPLINK V2.10.05) id AA862353820; Tue, 29 Apr 97 15:35:05 MET Date: Tue, 29 Apr 97 15:35:05 MET From: "Filippo Fiorani" Message-Id: <9703298623.AA862353820@esc-ccs> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: A couple of questions Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi all! Here are the questions: - what's BUF's web site address? - does BUF or anybody else have a page for this summer's EUGC? Thanks in advance Ciao Nippo From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Apr 29 16:45:31 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id QAA16461; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 16:03:05 +0100 (BST) Received: from beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id QAA16450; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 16:02:52 +0100 (BST) Received: from willow.sucs.soton.ac.uk (willow.sucs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.128.20]) by beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.5/server) with ESMTP id QAA02489; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 16:02:15 +0100 (BST) Received: (from ajk194@localhost) by willow.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.4/client-8.8) id PAA13174; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 15:59:30 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199704291459.PAA13174@willow.sucs.soton.ac.uk> Subject: BUF National Student Outdoors To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk (British Disc Mailing List) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 15:59:25 +0100 (BST) From: "Fergal" Cc: frisbee@soton.ac.uk (Frisbee) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Last weekend saw 18 student team congragate in Southampton for the 1997 BUF National Student outdoors. The weather decided not to be too friendly on the Saturday with frequent drizzel and light but gusty winds, however Sunday everything changed and there was nothing but glorious sunshine. The top 4 seeds all came top of thier pools, with only one unexpected results occuring lower down in the pools, Bears dropping from 6th to 14th. Mythago drew the short straw and played Catch 22 for their Semi final on Sunday, losing 17-10. The second Semi saw Skunks 1 and Mohawks battle things out, Skunks got a bad scare early on as the Mohawks took a quick 3-0 lead. After a quick tactical rethink the Skunks pulled back and took the lead. In the end SKunks held onto the lead to win 12-9 or 12-10. All in all it was an excellent game. 3rd 4th play off seemed a formality when Mythago took a 6 point lead, then things went wrong and Mohawks picked up there game to really pressure Mythago, bring the score to about 7-9 to Mythago. The game capped and Mythago won in the end, but only by a point or so I recall. The final, hmmm, well played Catch. Catch 22 certainly outclassed the Skunks, but if only the Skunks could have over come their historical inability to move the disc 2 yards over a single white line the score line could have been a lot closer. The major advantage to Catch was their long game, with many of their points being scored with the quick break on turnover and huck up field to a well positioned player. I think it is safe to say that the final was very well spirited, all calls sorted quickly and fairly. Skunks suffered a bit when 2 of our players hit heads resulting in a lot of blood, an ambulance, and no subs. But for all those interested, Byron "Mincer" Stevens is fine and has a little bald patch with 5 stitches, whilst Rich has to wear a big Sticky Patch on his chin for the week. Final Placings Were: 1 - Catch 22 2 - Skunks 1 3 - Mythago 4 - Mohawks 5 - Ow! (plate) 6 - Sneeekys 7 - Jedi 1 8 - Purple Haze 9 - Phat Ed's (spirit) 10- Disciples 11- Uriel 12- Fingers 6 13- Picnic (spoon) 14- Bears 15- Mwnci See - Jedi 2 17- Jesters/Hint of Lime Combination 18- Skunks 2 plus pickups Well played everyone, and unfortunately I won't see you next year as this was my last Student Tournament. Andy "GYNGA" - Skunks (now ex-captain) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Apr 29 19:06:50 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id SAA11550; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 18:51:07 +0100 (BST) Received: from relay-11.mail.demon.net by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id SAA11538; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 18:50:59 +0100 (BST) Received: from ultimatum.demon.co.uk ([158.152.203.174]) by relay-10.mail.demon.net id aa1026462; 29 Apr 97 15:57 BST Subject: LUS: team sheets now on web Date: Tue, 29 Apr 97 15:59:55 +0100 From: Paul Hurt To: BritDisc Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Message-ID: <862325862.1026462.0@ultimatum.demon.co.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk LONDON ULTIMATE SESSION ======================= If anyone's interested (or if you're playing, and you're not sure what team you're on) you can now see the team sheets for series I of the LUS Summer League at: http://www.ultimatum.demon.co.uk/lus/ The first game (A v B) is tonight, Tuesday 29th April. Place your bets now... Paul --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Hurt Editor, Ultimatum Magazine, London, England paul@ultimatum.demon.co.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Apr 30 02:57:29 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id CAA26842; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 02:37:27 +0100 (BST) Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id CAA26838; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 02:37:24 +0100 (BST) Received: from ultimatum.demon.co.uk ([158.152.203.174]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ac0611578; 30 Apr 97 2:21 BST Subject: LUS: Results of game 1 Date: Wed, 30 Apr 97 02:23:57 +0100 From: Paul Hurt To: BritDisc Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Message-ID: <862363302.0611578.2@ultimatum.demon.co.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk =========================================== LONDON ULTIMATE SESSION - session 1 results =========================================== Wow, massive turnout. Forty players showed up for the first night of the London Ultimate Session. Two games simultaneously, taking over the whole of one section of Clapham Common (and the whole of the seating outside the Windmill pub afterwards!) Last night's league game, endearingly titled "A vs B", made a great start to the event. If I remember, B (captained by Shotgun's Garret Crosby) took the first three points. Then Roger Thompson's A-team staged a serious comeback, to go about 6-3 or 7-4 up. But by 8 o'clock, B had pulled level again at 8-8, and the two point cap went on. Two hard fought points left the teams at 9 all, with the final sudden death point clinched by Team B. Some fine play by the less-experienced players, who were not in the least bit phased by their GB-standard team-mates ability to throw the disc away. The pickup game seemed to be enjoyed by it's participants too, playing well into the night, until the team in dark could no longer see who to throw to. Thanks to everyone who played - it's because *you* made the effort to come down that the whole thing worked. Let's do it again. Next Tuesday okay? Paul Follow the league results at http://www.ultimatum.demon.co.uk/lus/ --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Hurt Editor, Ultimatum Magazine, London, England paul@ultimatum.demon.co.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Apr 30 11:07:15 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id KAA03509; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 10:31:51 +0100 (BST) Received: from black.csi.cam.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id KAA03493; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 10:31:43 +0100 (BST) Received: from [131.111.99.217] [131.111.99.217] by black.csi.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0wMVje-0006Nt-00; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 10:31:40 +0100 X-Sender: ms223@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 07:50:37 +0100 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: ms223@cam.ac.uk (Mindy Sobota) Subject: Anyone for Bruges? Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Dear all, We're looking for another player to pick up with us in Bruges this weekend (injuries and other problems have radically reduced our numbers). Anyone up for it? Luke Walden Strange Blue >-`o_ o~~~ Only Connect. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Apr 30 11:59:33 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id LAA18233; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 11:39:43 +0100 (BST) Received: from gcsin1.gecm.com by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id LAA18223; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 11:39:37 +0100 (BST) Received: from gcsin3.geccs.gecm.com by gcsin1.gecm.com; (5.65/1.1.8.2/13Mar95-0121PM) id AA25544; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 11:39:06 +0100 Received: from gcschm.geccs.gecm.com by gcsin3.geccs.gecm.com; (5.65/1.1.8.2/13Mar95-1139AM) id AA02838; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 11:39:05 +0100 Alternate-Recipient: prohibited Disclose-Recipients: prohibited Content-Return: prohibited Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 11:38:28 +0000 (GMT) From: Giles Stoddard Subject: LONDON ULTIMATE SESSION To: britdisc Message-Id: <5428381130041997/A02495/PLANET/11B4F2E61C00*@MHS> Autoforwarded: false Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Importance: normal Ua-Content-Id: 11B4F2E61C00 X400-Mts-Identifier: [;5428381130041997/A02495/PLANET] Hop-Count: 2 Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Thanks to Paul for organising the LUS. As he has said the turn out was really good and I think that was very much due all the e-mail's Paul has sent out and time he's spent urging people to come along. Well done (ripple of applause). The A v B game was really great fun, but we should have won. Next time we'll have ya !! Looking forward to stomping on C next week, and lets have a better call than "come on darks". Any ideas for a team name?? Any one who hasn't put their name down for this yet, then get it touch with Paul. It was well worth the tube ride, and the grief for getting home late. (Thanks for twisting my arm Dave :-) Giles giles.stoddard@gecm.com From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Apr 30 16:40:09 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id QAA11893; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 16:25:58 +0100 (BST) From: dmurray@soton.ac.uk Received: from beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id QAA11885; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 16:25:55 +0100 (BST) Received: from ash.sucs.soton.ac.uk (ash.sucs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.128.88]) by beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.5/server) with ESMTP id QAA00626 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 16:25:54 +0100 (BST) Received: (from dmurray@localhost) by ash.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.4/client) id QAA28328 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 16:25:52 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 16:25:52 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199704301525.QAA28328@ash.sucs.soton.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: GB practice X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Can anyone tell me where in warwick the practice is this weekend cheers Dave M From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Apr 30 16:48:28 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id QAA09704; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 16:15:48 +0100 (BST) Received: from venus.le.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id QAA09677; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 16:15:41 +0100 (BST) Received: from lupin.le.ac.uk by venus.le.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Wed, 30 Apr 1997 16:13:01 +0100 Received: from LUPIN/SpoolDir by lupin.le.ac.uk (Mercury 1.21); 30 Apr 97 16:13:03 +0100 (BST) Received: from SpoolDir by LUPIN (Mercury 1.30); 30 Apr 97 16:12:39 +0100 (BST) From: "K.M. Taylor" To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 16:12:31 +0100 (BST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Student teams - freshers fair X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.40) Message-ID: <156352F1E13@lupin.le.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk This year at Leicester we are hoping to attract loads of new people to ultimate and wanted to make a really big impact at the freshers fair. I wondered if any other universities had any particularly successful methods of attracting and holding on to new players that they could share. Any ideas will be greatfully recieved at: kmt2@le.ac.uk Cheers, Kieran From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Apr 30 16:52:06 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id QAA11056; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 16:22:05 +0100 (BST) Received: from amsta.leeds.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id QAA11045; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 16:22:00 +0100 (BST) Received: from newton.leeds.amsta (newton.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.64]) by amsta.leeds.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA12820 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 16:22:09 +0100 (BST) Received: by newton.leeds.amsta (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id QAA13868; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 16:23:04 +0100 Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 16:23:04 +0100 From: amtsjh@amsta.leeds.ac.uk (S J Hill) Message-Id: <199704301523.QAA13868@newton.leeds.amsta> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: U8 Website X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi One day there will be a beautiful site with all the U8 info any statto could ever hope to find... (certainly in time to be of use for next year!)... In the mean time Wayne Retter (who obviously doesn't have enough to do) has done a lovely job of putting most of the result/ranking info up on the LayoutDreams pages. In particular the up to date rankings are there for all to see. You'll also find lots more info about Tour III in Swindon. And to get there.... http://www.phidelta.demon.co.uk/ultim8/index.htm This is as official as its going to get for now. So thanks to Wayne - and if you're not sure how many points your team has got, then go check it out! Si From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Apr 30 18:07:48 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id RAA27032; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 17:49:13 +0100 (BST) Received: from nernst.chem.gla.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id RAA27012; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 17:49:02 +0100 (BST) Received: from pdan2 (pdan2.chem.gla.ac.uk [130.209.221.81]) by nernst.chem.gla.ac.uk (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA10712 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 17:49:01 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199704301649.RAA10712@nernst.chem.gla.ac.uk> X-Sender: simona@pop X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 17:49:00 +0100 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: "Simon J. Arbuckle" Subject: Recruiting new players Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Similar to Kieran in Leicester, we at Glasgow would also be interested in other Universities' recruitment methods. Please send your suggestions to: simona@chem.gla.ac.uk Thanks, Simon (Mud Culture). ******************************************** Roses are red, violets are blue, Most poems rhyme, this one doesn't. ******************************************** From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Apr 30 20:28:37 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id UAA12235; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 20:06:44 +0100 (BST) From: DTulchin@aol.com Received: from emout07.mail.aol.com by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id UAA12223; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 20:06:32 +0100 (BST) Received: (from root@localhost) by emout07.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id PAA24568; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 15:02:43 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 15:02:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970430150241_1953484006@emout07.mail.aol.com> To: travel@equity.co.uk cc: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk, aflores@lehman.com, dmm@mm-croy.mottmac.com, neil@inovanet.co.uk, ozfreire@designmotive.co.uk, sgi@paramount.co.uk, Raf.Freire@Bristol.ac.uk, roger@kbw.co.uk, lrsussex@pavilion.co.uk, d0192558@infotrade.co.uk, ConBDav@aol.com, acc37@columbia.edu, jmcgill@ie.oracle.com, 100550.1624@compuserve.com Subject: We've got a home Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hello everyone, Just a quick note to fill you in on Kirsten and my new address. 1010 Dolores Street San Francisco, CA 94110 USA Tel: (415) 285 3354 Its a small quaint little place, and will do for now, although I'm not so sure yet how we're going to fit vistors in during the summer. Reserve your spaces early! Much love to everyone and we'll be in touch soon with more exciting news. Thats all for now (must get back to the sunshine). Ig From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu May 1 08:17:32 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id HAA00454; Thu, 1 May 1997 07:56:35 +0100 (BST) Received: from jupiter.theplanet.co.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id HAA00450; Thu, 1 May 1997 07:56:32 +0100 (BST) Received: from default(really [194.152.70.106]) by jupiter.theplanet.co.uk via sendmail with smtp id for ; Thu, 1 May 97 07:56:27 +0100 (BST) (/\##/\ Smail3.1.30.16 #30.4 built 29-jan-96) Message-ID: <3368360D.171@glasgow.prestel.co.uk> Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 07:19:57 +0100 From: Michael Johnson Reply-To: mj@glasgow.prestel.co.uk X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Kings Lynn Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Can anyone tell me if there is any ultimate going on in or near Kings Lynn? (Norfolk) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu May 1 09:45:54 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id JAA07065; Thu, 1 May 1997 09:27:15 +0100 (BST) Received: from irwell.zetnet.co.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id JAA07059; Thu, 1 May 1997 09:27:12 +0100 (BST) Received: from deansgate.zetnet.co.uk (deansgate.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.47.23]) by irwell.zetnet.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA18992; Thu, 1 May 1997 09:27:11 +0100 Message-ID: <1997050108320774146@zetnet.co.uk> Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 08:32:07 +0100 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: Toby Green X-Mailer: ZIMACS Version 1.10c 10003244 Subject: Whitcombe Farm Disc Golf June 28/29th Cc: eurodisc@ira.uka.de Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Dear All, Now, some of you may know that I'm off on a walkabout for the next six weeks. And I'm going where there's no telephone service, let alone email. BUT don't take my silence and absence from disc events for the next weeks seriously. The Whitcombe Farm Disc Golf Classic, part of the British Tour, WILL be taking place on June 28th and 29th. All the usual terms and conditions apply. Camping is encouraged. Some beds will be available in the Summer House - if you want to reserve one, then first come first served. Place your requests by email and I'll confirm when I get back. B&Bs are available locally. For those who don't know about the Whitcombe Farm course: it comprises two 18 hole courses, fully chained, laid out over 80 acres of steeply (!) rolling organic farmland. Altogether idyllic. Butterflies and wild flowers abound. For more details, contact Derek or check out the BDGA website. I would appreciate it if you could send emails if you intend to come, and please pass on the news to those of us who are unwired. I'm due back on June 16th, and will try and catch up with you all then. In the meantime, I'm off to teach Zimbabwe all about ultimate! Now, where's my pith helmet . . . ? Toby -- TOBY GREEN 74 Old High Street, Headington, Oxford OX3 9HW, UK PLEASE NOTE NEW TELEPHONE NUMBER - ADD 7 IN FRONT OF OLD NUMBER! +44 1865 769789 (tel) +44 1865 437714 (fax) t.green@zetnet.co.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu May 1 13:01:20 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id MAA08130; Thu, 1 May 1997 12:39:27 +0100 (BST) Received: from renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id MAA08114; Thu, 1 May 1997 12:39:21 +0100 (BST) Received: from arran.sms.ed.ac.uk (arran.sms.ed.ac.uk [129.215.141.2]) by renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk (8.6.13/8.6.12) with ESMTP id MAA11073 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 12:39:19 +0100 Received: from SMS-ARRAN/SpoolDir by arran.sms.ed.ac.uk (Mercury 1.31); 1 May 97 12:38:12 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by SMS-ARRAN (Mercury 1.31); 1 May 97 12:37:45 +0000 From: "Possum" <9466830@arran.sms.ed.ac.uk> Organization: Student Mail Service To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 12:37:40 +0000 Subject: Nice Technique X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <19C86947057@arran.sms.ed.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi, At the moment I am writing a guide to teaching and playing Ultimate (emphasis on Basic and Intermediate standards). If anyone has any useful hints and sources, then that would make things work nice and smoothly. Specific web site details would be most appreciated. Cheers, Possum. Possum, Sneeeky's "Possum" * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Keep your smile on your face * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri May 2 10:56:23 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id KAA08458; Fri, 2 May 1997 10:31:09 +0100 (BST) From: Wayne_Retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk Received: from smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id KAA08444; Fri, 2 May 1997 10:31:06 +0100 (BST) Received: from ccMail by smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk (IMA Internet Exchange 2.1 Enterprise) id 0000172E; Fri, 2 May 97 10:30:05 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 10:08:24 +0100 Message-ID: <0000172E.004069@watsonwyatt.co.uk> Subject: Tour III - On site Bed and Breakfast To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Cc: layoutdreams@phidelta.demon.co.uk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hello all, Tour III - Swindon has the following accomodation options: 1) Free camping, at a site just across the road from the pitches 2) Optional Layout Dreams breakfast at GBP 15.00 per team 3) Allied Dunbar Breakfast BBQ on Sunday morning 4) ON SITE BED (and Breakfast) GBP 25.00 per night for a single room with ensuite bathroom. Allied Dunbar are willing to let two people per room (two in the bed OR one on the floor) BUT NO MORE THAN 2! Breakfast (full cooked English, I think!) is also available at an additional GBP 5.00 per head To book: Call DEBBIE LEA of the CONFERENCING DEPT on 01793-791000 BEFORE THE TOURNAMENT (preferably at least a week!) 5) None of the above - i.e. sort yourself out. Wayne Retter Layout Dreams layoutdreams@phidelta.demon.co.uk Tournament Director BUF Ultim8 Tour III http://www.phidelta.demon.co.uk/ultim8/tour3/ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri May 2 13:06:34 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id MAA01530; Fri, 2 May 1997 12:48:05 +0100 (BST) Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id MAA01506; Fri, 2 May 1997 12:47:52 +0100 (BST) Received: from mveshops.demon.co.uk ([158.152.177.210]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1000328; 2 May 97 12:25 BST Message-ID: Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 12:25:37 +0100 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: Jonathan Brennan Subject: *Rotterdam pickup spots available* MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Version 3.00 Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Greetings from "Have Hammer, Will Travel" Hi to all international frisbee freaks. There are a number of us getting together for an assault on the Harbour tourney at Rotterdam next week and we still have a few places left for a select few. If you are looking for a pickup and want to join a multi national collection of travellers, including players from oz, nz and the states, and feel like taking on the best tourney in Europe then contact us soon. nb: Places are going fast. ******************************* Jonathan Brennan Have Hammer, Will Travel havehammer@mveshops.demon.co.uk ******************************* From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri May 2 17:57:49 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id RAA17739; Fri, 2 May 1997 17:38:50 +0100 (BST) Received: from renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id RAA17729; Fri, 2 May 1997 17:38:42 +0100 (BST) Received: from mull.sms.ed.ac.uk (mull.sms.ed.ac.uk [129.215.141.1]) by renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk (8.6.13/8.6.12) with ESMTP id RAA03493 for ; Fri, 2 May 1997 17:38:41 +0100 Received: from SMS-MULL/SpoolDir by mull.sms.ed.ac.uk (Mercury 1.31); 2 May 97 17:36:35 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by SMS-MULL (Mercury 1.31); 2 May 97 17:36:23 +0000 From: "BARRY O'KANE" <9363680@mull.sms.ed.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 17:36:20 +0000 Subject: RE: Student teams - freshers fair X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <98F0E6BD0@mull.sms.ed.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi, This is quite a burning question for student teams - but really it is not that hard (with a little work and planning) to attract new players - the BIG problem can be keeping them. I wanted to put this on britdisc as I think it may be of some use (though maybe not) - sorry if you're not interested. I will discribe what has worked well for us (Sneeekys) in the past - though it is important that you find what works in your club. ************************************** I am looking for someone who would be able to collate this stuff and other useful material for inclusion with the 1998 Student Ultimate pack - can anyone help? **************************************** The actual freshers fair: Try and have an eye catching stand - loads of discs, colour posters, photo's videos and music all help. Esp. if you have a cool video (I know of people that use two or more running at the same time) and photos as it gives people a more accurate idea of the game. Have LOADS of hand outs for interested people (we hand out about 500 to 600 over 2 days) - they don't have to be a work of art - a simple A5 sheet with a small blurb on Ultimate and the times/dates/place of practice and a contact phone no or email. Copies of the colour flyer are still available from the BUF get hold of a couple and photo copy - or if you are capable of producing something more substantual yoursleves then do so (if anyone is interested I can send you a copy of the one we used). And then have a couple of willing volunteers to stand in front (more effective than sitting behind) of the display and talk to EVERYONE - be enthusiastic - describe the game, talk of how much fun it is before, during and after play - rave about the tournaments - point at the video - persuade them that (with practice) anyone can play - and give them a flyer! It is also good if you can have both male AND female vols to do this. After the fair: As I said above it is hard to keep players sometimes - but do not get disheartened - it is worth it in the end. The main reasons for losing players that only come along once or twice can be easily sorted. 1: Make sure that you organise a couple of first time or begginners practices soon after the fair. The aim of these practices are not for you to go and play ultimate but to teach and to get to know your new club members. Get them together at the start - welcome and thank them for coming - describe the game (again) and then do some throwing and catching practice (make sure that there are plenty of people to mix with them and teach how to throw a forehand etc..) - and then PLAY - that is after all what they are there for. Split them into teams (coloured bibs can be useful if you have a lot of people) - with a couple of more experienced players on each team - and play a series of short games. Between games get the experieced players to take their team aside and try and teach the basics of the game - very simple stuff - get them practicing forehands - making sure they know to mark man-on-man - and generally running about having a laugh. That is perhaps the most important part - people play ultimate because they enjoy it; so if they don't enjoy themsleves they won't come back. 2: Social stuff - go out as a club after practice - or organise parties, or pub meets or whatever you want - get to know the new players and get them to know each other - you will find that this improves attendance at practice, the general interest in the club and their interest in learning more about ultimate. After a couple of these introductory practices you should really be stepping things up a bit - don't make the mistake of stopping to teach and improve the skills of everyone in the club. We find that this means running seperate practices for the more experienced who want to play ultimate at their standard - but is up to you how you work things. Student clubs traditionally suffer from a lack of organised practice. Don't neglect to improve the skills of your whole club - try and deal with all tastes - those that have only started and want to get good, those that are just playing for a laugh and those that have been playing for a while and need practice at more advanced stuff. This can be quite hard - as I am sure you know - but if is the only way that your club can grow both in numbers and in ability. As I have said before we try to tackle this by running different practices; 1: 'for a laugh' - were we just play and then go to the pub - but even here it is important that you try and improve the standard of the game - get the more experienced players to point out mistakes and improvements between points and when subbed off - do some throwing and catching practice at the start and end etc. Also, it is always useful do do some simple warm-up drills - if you don't know any them ask - or I can send you some. This means that everyone is properly warmed up and helps to teach the basics. Oh, and NEVER forget to strech and warm up and warm down. 2: 'more serious' - we run these practices for those people that have been playing a little longer and want to train for a tornament or whatever - proper streching, warm-up drills, fitness (ha ha) practice drills and plays, run through tactics other than the stack (which for us means a zone - though there has been a lot of comment recently about the lack of imagination in british ultimate so I suppose we should all be trying to learn more) and so on - most clubs are capable of running these practices themselves but if you think you can't them find a more experienced player and get some advice - once agian I have a (very) few drills etc that I can send if your interested - anybody else have anything useful? NB: I done have some material that may be of use - let me know what you want. Also, the BUF do have other bits and bobs that are slowly being pulled together - watch out for videos, posters and so on soon. OK, I'll stop now - I seem to have gone on for a bit - I hope some of it helps - please fell free to point out to me if you think I have got it wrong or missed stuff out - or have different suggestions. BARRY From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri May 2 18:59:11 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id SAA25542; Fri, 2 May 1997 18:42:41 +0100 (BST) Received: from phidelta.demon.co.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id SAA25523; Fri, 2 May 1997 18:42:29 +0100 (BST) Date: Fri, 02 May 1997 18:23:40 GMT From: LayoutDreams@phidelta.demon.co.uk (Layout Dreams) Reply-To: LayoutDreams@phidelta.demon.co.uk Message-Id: <6091@phidelta.demon.co.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Tour III - only 11 teams? X-Organisation: Layout Dreams X-WWW: http://www.phidelta.demon.co.uk/layoutdreams/ X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Lines: 16 Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hmmm 18 teams have paid their deposits (as at 21/04/97), but only 11 have paid their tournament fees (as at 02/05/97) I assume that the rest of the cheques went in the post Friday or Saturday ? MONDAY IS THE PAYMENT DEADLINE! Get those cheques in the post Wayne _____________________________________________________________________________ Chris Hughes layoutDREAMS Wayne Retter +44/0-151-994-2629 LayoutDreams@phidelta.demon.co.uk +44/0-1737-242109 http://www.phidelta.demon.co.uk/layout.htm From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon May 5 08:07:47 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id HAA16924; Mon, 5 May 1997 07:48:17 +0100 (BST) Received: from crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id HAA16920; Mon, 5 May 1997 07:48:15 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 07:48:13 +0100 (BST) From: Mr R C Doswell Message-Id: <21068.199705050648@crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Received: by crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk id HAA21068; Mon, 5 May 1997 07:48:13 +0100 (BST) To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: BUF Events Reminder Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk British Ultimate Federation Disc Events Diary --------------------------------------------- May 1997 -------- Saturday 10 May 1997 Womens Hat Tournament (2 days) @ Leeds Saturday 17 May 1997 Kowpat '97 (Spice Beef - The Horny Tourny) (2 days) @ Milton Keynes Nottingham Outdoors (2 days) @ Nottingham Saturday 24 May 1997 GB Open Team practice (2 days) @ London (Note may be Sat/Sun OR Sun/Mon) Saturday 31 May 1997 BUF Tour III (2 days) @ Swindon June 1997 --------- Saturday 7 June 1997 International Ultimate Frisbee Student Tournament (2 days) (Non-UK event) @ University of Karlsruhe, DE Red Co-ed Outdoors (2 days) @ Countesthorpe, Leicester Saturday 14 June 1997 Exeter Hat Tourny (2 days) @ Exter GB Women (squad only) practice (1 day) @ TBA Sunday 15 June 1997 GB Open Team practice + GB Women and open womens practice (1 day) @ TBA Saturday 21 June 1997 BUF Tour IV : Southampton Outdoors (2 days) @ Southampton July 1997 --------- Saturday 5 July 1997 BUF Tour V (2 days) @ Double Locks, Exeter Friday 11 July 1997 Warwick Bears 21st Reunion (3 days) TBC @ University of Warwick Saturday 12 July 1997 GB Women (squad only) practice (1 day) @ Warwick Sunday 13 July 1997 GB Open Team practice + GB Women and womens open practice (1 day) @ TBA (Warwick?) Sunday 27 July 1997 World Ultimate Club Championships (WUCC'97) (7 days) (Non-UK event) @ Vancouver, CA August 1997 ----------- Saturday 2 August 1997 LUCC (Lurkers Ultimate Club Championships!) (2 days) TBC @ TBA Sunday 10 August 1997 GB Open Team practice + GB women and womens open practice (1 day) @ TBA Saturday 16 August 1997 Ross-on-Wye (2 days) TBC @ Ross-On-Wye! Saturday 23 August 1997 1997 BDGA Championships (2 days) (Non-Ultimate) TBC Sunday 24 August 1997 EFDF European Ultimate Championships (7 days) @ Millfield School, Street, Somerset, UK September 1997 -------------- Thursday 11 September 1997 British Open (4 days) Saturday 27 September 1997 BUF National Finals (outdoor) (2 days) @ Time is running out for anyone interested in hosting this! October 1997 ------------ Saturday 25 October 1997 BUF Regional Championships (3 REGIONS) (2 days) @ ***TDs required*** (date is flexible) --------------------------------------------------------------- British Ultimate Federation Disc Events Diary http://www.csv.warwick.ac.uk:5201/cgi-bin/diary Ranulf Doswell, ralf@dcs.warwick.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon May 5 12:45:43 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id MAA11371; Mon, 5 May 1997 12:25:08 +0100 (BST) Received: from kestrel.mcg.gla.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id MAA11366; Mon, 5 May 1997 12:25:05 +0100 (BST) Received: from mcg1.mcg.gla.ac.uk by kestrel.mcg.gla.ac.uk (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id MAA01234; Mon, 5 May 1997 12:13:17 +0100 Received: from MCG1/SpoolDir by mcg1.mcg.gla.ac.uk (Mercury 1.21); 5 May 97 12:25:04 +1100 Received: from SpoolDir by MCG1 (Mercury 1.21); 5 May 97 12:24:59 +1100 From: "David Grayson" Organization: Multimedia Communications Group To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 12:24:58 gmt+1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Scottish get-together report X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.40) Message-ID: <165C94C0A37@mcg1.mcg.gla.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Last weekend there was an informal Scottish get-together tournament in Glasgow. Many thanks to the teams that travelled from Dundee, Edinburgh and Strathclyde. Sadly St. Andrews couldn't make it and Stirling appear to have disappeared off the face of the planet - is anyone there? Anyway, two days of hard fought, well spirited competition, and genrally great craic resulted in a well deserved (if slightly ironic) victory for a Northern Irish team - Flying Lims beating Mud Culture International (MCI) in the final. Dundee and the Source were both playing for the first time ever outdoors and fortunately Glasgow managed to be trusted to provide enough different types of weather to practically make them veterans already - although I think the sports shops may sell several pairs of football boots today! Both teams played excellently - especially after Dundee had been walked all around Glasgow on Sat night and half failed to get any breakfast on Sun morning due to a slight screw-up by some inconsiderate host - can't think who?! Final placings were: 1. Flying Lims 2. Mud Culture International 3. Sneeekys 4. Mud Culture 5. The Source (Strathclyde) 6. Dundee (Spirit winners) Thanks again to all who came and let's start getting some regular meetings sorted out. Dave Mud Culture/The Source. \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ David Grayson Multimedia Communications Group Department of Psychology 52 Hillhead Street University of Glasgow Glasgow G12 Tel 0141 330 6237 /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue May 6 10:31:20 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id KAA11445; Tue, 6 May 1997 10:03:18 +0100 (BST) Received: from dns0.curved-logic.com by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id KAA11421; Tue, 6 May 1997 10:03:08 +0100 (BST) Received: from pc15.curved-logic.com by dns0.curved-logic.com id aa05704; 6 May 97 10:14 GMT Received: by pc15.curved-logic.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BC5A04.82F38E20@pc15.curved-logic.com>; Tue, 6 May 1997 10:01:48 +0100 Message-ID: <01BC5A04.82F38E20@pc15.curved-logic.com> From: Kevin Lowe To: "'Britdisc'" Cc: "'Eurodisc'" Subject: British National Junior Outdoors 1997. Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 10:01:47 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk This weekend saw the third ever National Junior Outdoors. Eleven junior teams took part (The most we've ever had, but a bit disappointing with six 'likely' teams missing). The only seedings upset from the pool matches was Southern Lights (new team from Lewes, Sussex) making the top 8. Discult and Nads finished 9- 9, but Discult won the group by conceding no goals against Lemon and Ecstatic. Saturday night consisted of a Disco which was enjoyed by most, but a few juniors were annoyed by the bar demanding ID off of anyone who may be under 18. Not half as annoyed as the National Youth coordinator being asked for ID. Now, most people may be flattered, being mistaken for a 17 year old; but at 27, I was not impressed. Sunday morning, the weather had deteriorated, with a strong wind blowing down the pitches. Zone time. Five of the junior teams seemed quite confident throwing zones, and most were not phased playing against it. Vicious Circle came closest to an upset in the quarter finals, taking Discult to 9-9 (both teams managing to score upwind 3 times). Sudden Death, Discult (having had to resort to calling the blatant travels to slow Circle down) playing upwind, make no mistakes, and go through to the semis. In the semis, Hint of Lime beat Nads 9-6, and Discult surprised Blue Arse Flies 11-6 (BAF enjoyed their night clubbing in Portsmouth a little too much). Lower down, Hurricane claw back from being 5 points down against Tattva (Hurricane had almost lost on Saturday to Flowering Garden being 10-5 down but scored the last 7 points), but couldn't contain Vicious Circle in the 5th/6th play off. Hint of Lemon won the spoon by beating Flowering Garden and Ecstatic. So, Final time. Hint of Lime, having been seeded top, playing at home, and now being watched by many parents, started to feel the pressure. Discult continued to play their 'Wimbledon' style tactics in the wind, having had so much success already with their trusted set play (Jo huck it to Chris, or Chris huck it to Jo). To the untrained eye, this may have appeared to be a 2-man team, but it was a great team effort, especially on D to contain the strength of Lime. The standard of play in the final was extremely high considering the conditions, with very few errors from either team. Discult's four, very talented 'beginners' from Millfield school had improved dramatically. The main core of the GB Junior's team will come from those that played in this final, which bodes well for this year's Europeans. The teams traded points, scoring down wind to 3-2, until Discult scored upwind thanks to an awesome sidearm huck into the wind from Chris (one of many that impressed Patch, the GB Juniors Manager on the sideline). Discult got another upwind point, and took the half 9-4. Hint of Lime came out more determined in the second half, and broke Discult's zone to score upwind, only to have Discult score straight back. Great, notable performances from James, Paul, Alex and Grant for Lime in stopping the short passes from Chris and Jo, but they still couldn't out sky them on the hucks. With time ticking away, Lime still needed to score 3 upwind points. They achieved it once more, but Discult ended up winning 12-10. The whole tournament had been organised superbly by a group of 'GNVQ Tourism' students (only one of them played Ultimate) who did this as part of their course. Games ran on time, matches were scored, refreshments and meals were great, publicity was everywhere (posters, Cable TV, Newspaper reporters, Meridian TV, etc.) It was hard to fault this tournament. They even arranged the lousy weather to suit Discult's game. Sorry this report has been so long. It's just such a nice surprise when tournaments are run this well, and when a team you coached perform well. A good time was had by all, and great to see four new outdoor teams. I suspect the dates for this tournament will be different next year as we aim for 20 junior teams competing. Final Places (Seedings in brackets). 1 (3) Discult - Exeter 2 (1) Hint of Lime - Gosport 3 (2) Blue Arse Flies - Evesham 4 (4) Nads - Newport 5 (6) Vicious Circle - Berkhamsted 6 (5) Hurricane - Letchworth 7 (11) Southern Lights - Lewes 8 (7) Tattva - Stourbridge (Spirit) 9 (9) Hint of Lemon - Gosport 10 (8) Flowering Garden - Carshalton 11 (10) Ecstatic - Carshalton 12 Old Gits / Coaches Kevin Lowe. PS. Line feeds inserted manually to keep Christian and Simon Week's crap University Unix machines happy. -- | E-mail Kev@Cheerful.com | Q. Which is the greater problem in the world today, Ignorance or Apathy? | A. I don't know, and I really don't care! From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue May 6 18:33:18 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id SAA15038; Tue, 6 May 1997 18:04:53 +0100 (BST) Received: from venus.le.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id SAA15012; Tue, 6 May 1997 18:04:42 +0100 (BST) Received: from lupin.le.ac.uk by venus.le.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Tue, 6 May 1997 18:02:05 +0100 Received: from LUPIN/SpoolDir by lupin.le.ac.uk (Mercury 1.21); 6 May 97 18:02:06 +0100 (BST) Received: from SpoolDir by LUPIN (Mercury 1.30); 6 May 97 18:02:00 +0100 (BST) From: "K.M. Taylor" To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 18:01:52 +0100 (BST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: student teams - freshers fair X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.40) Message-ID: Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Thanks to everybody who offered their suggestions about attracting new players. Barry O`Kane` covered a lot of the points in his message and saved me a massive amount of typing, but to those who are interested here are some additional ones: A great idea is to play an exibition match nearby. At least have people chucking the disc around by the fair to attract attention. Fancy throws and plenty of laying out will obviously look good. Have loads of girls on your stall to do the recuiting. It just works. Make a deal with the netball club ,as the games are similar, for cheap membership so that those getting disillusioned with netball will hopefully give ultimate a go. ( I suppose the same could be done if you have an american footbal team). Have disc`s on sale so people are more committed to the club and can practice away from training sessions. Have cheap or delayed joining fees as quite a few of the other sports tend to be fairly expensive. Once people have tasted the game they would be fools not to like it. In addition to the usual puplicity advertise in the student paper. When it comes to keeping hold of new players being organized for the first training sessions is essential. For beginners hold special practices , indoor if possable, so they can learn the basics without the wind. Go to a tournament early on ( Edinburgh ) or arrange to play against other local student beginners teams. I`m late for practice now so adios. kieran From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed May 7 12:17:23 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id LAA13460; Wed, 7 May 1997 11:38:20 +0100 (BST) Received: from amsta.leeds.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA13442; Wed, 7 May 1997 11:38:10 +0100 (BST) Received: from newton.leeds.amsta (newton.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.64]) by amsta.leeds.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA00407 for ; Wed, 7 May 1997 11:38:20 +0100 (BST) Received: by newton.leeds.amsta (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA24544; Wed, 7 May 1997 11:39:23 +0100 Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 11:39:23 +0100 From: amtsjh@amsta.leeds.ac.uk (S J Hill) Message-Id: <199705071039.LAA24544@newton.leeds.amsta> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: women's hat / open practice X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk To Women players and people in contact with women players Hopefully everyone has heard that this w/e there is a women's practice OPEN TO ALL PLAYERS and including a mini-hat tournament. This is taking place in Leeds on our luvverly pitch... which has been slightly refreshed by yesterdays blizzards and the torrential rain on Monday! This is a real sports venue with actual changing rooms!! I believe that there is plenty of accommodation space at ours, Amy's and a few other houses.... AND we have arranged for the weather to improve on Saturday morning. Cost is 3.50 GBP. But you save loads on the beer being cheap. If you want directions you can email me - or ring us at home. amtsjh@amsta.leeds.ac.uk 0113 289 0971 I think its best to let either Jack or Sue Underwood know if you are coming. (I think thats the idea anyway.) See you this w/e. Si (writing for Jack) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed May 7 17:12:57 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id QAA06246; Wed, 7 May 1997 16:35:22 +0100 (BST) Received: from igw2 by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id QAA06063; Wed, 7 May 1997 16:34:31 +0100 (BST) Received: from igw2.merck.com; Wed, 7 May 1997 11:05:02 -0400 Message-Id: <199705071505.LAA11764@igw2> Received: from mgw.merck.com(54.3.195.7) by ngatekeeper.merck.com via smap (3.1) id xma002789; Wed, 7 May 97 10:58:38 -0400 Date: Wed, 07 May 1997 11:07:28 -0400 From: "Wilkie, Neil" Subject: discs anyone ? To: "'Britdisc'" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Dear BDers, Since there has been a bit of a lull in the britdisc chit-chat, I thought I would take this opportunity to put a request out. I am in the early stages of starting up a new ultimate team in the Bishops Stortford area (since there doesnt seem to be another team in the immediate locality). The only problem is, I only have a couple of discs and the popularity of the sport has been such that we now find ourselves with a player base of over 20. Therefore I am looking for any teams / individuals who may have a stash of spare discs lying around waiting to be bought up by a bunch of enthusiastic beginners. I know there is a shop(s) somewhere in London that sells ultrastars, but does anyone know if they do mail order ? Hope someone can help. See you at Swindon ! Neil (the Red Jestering Jock !!!) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu May 8 02:43:26 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id CAA17619; Thu, 8 May 1997 02:23:43 +0100 (BST) Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id CAA17614; Thu, 8 May 1997 02:23:39 +0100 (BST) Received: from ultimatum.demon.co.uk ([158.152.203.174]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab0602557; 8 May 97 2:17 BST Subject: LUS: League game 2 report Date: Thu, 8 May 97 02:20:16 +0100 From: Paul Hurt To: BritDisc Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Message-ID: <863054268.062557.0@ultimatum.demon.co.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk LONDON ULTIMATE SESSION - CLAPHAM COMMON ======================================== Result of League Series I, game 2, Tuesday May 6th C beat A, 14-13 Luckily for us, the Met Office managed to get their weather predictions slightly wrong. Although it was a bit chilly for this time of year, the predicted snow, rain and driving winds failed to materialise and round two of LUS League series I was played under clear blue skies. We didn't manage to start any earlier than the previous week, but with the summer evenings lengthening, Dave Travell's Team C had time to establish a slim 12-10 lead by ten-past-eight. The game was capped to 14. Team A staged yet another last-minute comeback, with the scoring going something like 13-10, 13-11, 13-12, 13-13, leaving us with a sudden-death decider - again! Alex Bowers (Mohawks/UTI) found Yusi Wang (Mohawks) free in the zone for Team C, to finish it 14-13. Next week, B and C meet in a decider to determine who will take the lead at the half-way mark. Meanwhile, Roger Thompson's Team A have to win both their rematches to remain in contention. Stay tuned. Check http://www.ultimatum.demon.co.uk/lus/ for more info Thanks again everyone for another cracking turnout. Have fun in Rotterdam and hope to see you next week. Paul --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Hurt Editor, Ultimatum Magazine, London, England paul@ultimatum.demon.co.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu May 8 14:58:33 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id NAA29517; Thu, 8 May 1997 13:56:45 +0100 (BST) Received: from amsta.leeds.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id NAA29511; Thu, 8 May 1997 13:56:39 +0100 (BST) Received: from newton.leeds.amsta (newton.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.64]) by amsta.leeds.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA06223 for ; Thu, 8 May 1997 13:56:49 +0100 (BST) Received: by newton.leeds.amsta (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id NAA16323; Thu, 8 May 1997 13:57:54 +0100 Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 13:57:54 +0100 From: amtsjh@amsta.leeds.ac.uk (S J Hill) Message-Id: <199705081257.NAA16323@newton.leeds.amsta> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: London training... X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Message from Dave "Shovel" Trovell > Si, could you please put a note on BritDisc for me to tell people that, > because Shotgun have gone to Rotterdam, Paolo and I are going to Hamstead > Heath Extension to train tonight and anyone who can join us would be > welcome. Meet at extension (nearest tube Golders Green) at 7.30. > Thanks alot, I'm particularly trying to get Pete Harvey to go but don't have > his number - do you? So if that makes sense to you and you want to spend the evening running around in rain and sleet with Dave and Paolo (mmm, it sounds enticing) then you know what to do. Alternatively you could take a trip along the M1, come to our practice and spend the evening running around in the rain and hail with us Leeds ultimate players. Whatever you decide to do - just make sure it doesn't involve watching Neighbours. If you have a contact for Pete Harvey perhaps you could email Dave with it please.... trovelld@ddbn.geis.com Please no messages about this to me... (unless you really do want to come to practice in Leeds). Si (If you're wondering why Dave doesn't do this himself, he can't email outwards...) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri May 9 11:01:41 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id KAA17353; Fri, 9 May 1997 10:37:39 +0100 (BST) From: Chris.Patten@octel.com Received: from gw1.octel.com by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id KAA17266; Fri, 9 May 1997 10:37:08 +0100 (BST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by gw1.octel.com (8.6.10/8.6.12) id CAA00744 for ; Fri, 9 May 1997 02:36:29 -0700 Received: from cornus.cssd.octel.com(148.147.84.200) by gw1.octel.com via smap (V1.3) id sma000724; Fri May 9 02:36:00 1997 Received: by cornus.cssd.octel.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63) id <01BC5C64.C8C61140@cornus.cssd.octel.com>; Fri, 9 May 1997 10:35:59 +0100 Message-ID: To: Cc: , , Subject: New Lurkers Home Page Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 10:35:57 +0100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Dear Cyber Discers, The Lurkers Flying Disc Club are proud to announce their new homepage located at http://www.lurker.demon.co.uk/ For your surfing enjoyment, the colour green features prominently on the page, no frames are present and none of the gifs are animated. Sincerely, Chris Patten, Webmaster. Chris Patten Release Engineer and Buildmeister Octel Unified Messenger 44-181-867-4017 From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sat May 10 00:32:21 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id XAA10919; Fri, 9 May 1997 23:54:34 +0100 (BST) Received: from spuggie.cen.brad.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id XAA10914; Fri, 9 May 1997 23:54:29 +0100 (BST) Received: from kestrel.cen.brad.ac.uk (15937@kestrel.cen.brad.ac.uk [143.53.2.5]) by spuggie.cen.brad.ac.uk (8.8.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA09965 for ; Fri, 9 May 1997 23:54:28 +0100 (BST) Received: (from ajbradfo@localhost) by kestrel.cen.brad.ac.uk (8.8.4/8.8.4) id XAA00987; Fri, 9 May 1997 23:54:24 +0100 (BST) Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 23:54:18 +0100 (BST) From: Andy B X-Sender: ajbradfo@kestrel.cen.brad.ac.uk To: Ultimate Subject: Northern Ireland (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk There is a possiblity that over the summer period of a regular pickup ganme being held ..probably somewhere in belfast .. if anybody is likely to be in belfast over the summer period and whats to get involved drop me a mail with an address (snail mail) and i'll do a mail out if i can get enuff people organised ... if anybody knows anybody who is interested (they dont even need to know the rules) also give me an address and ill send them out details when i know more. will probably run these 1 evening through the week or at the weekend , whatever people prefer? write an let me know also on another note, if anybody is intersted i amy also try and get together a team next year at Queens, so if anybody will be in belfast for good next year, or knows anybody who can play or is interested let me know cheers. pieles de platanos Andy B \\///// (.) (.) ______________________________________________________oOO__(_)___OOo_________ 63 Grantham Rd Bradford BD7 1RN________________________________________________01274 743778___________ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon May 12 07:44:06 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id HAA15512; Mon, 12 May 1997 07:14:01 +0100 (BST) Received: from arl-img-8.compuserve.com by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id HAA15502; Mon, 12 May 1997 07:13:57 +0100 (BST) Received: by arl-img-8.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id CAA07468; Mon, 12 May 1997 02:13:25 -0400 Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 02:12:53 -0400 From: Jim McDonnell Subject: Ultimate on Activ-8 (BBC 1) To: Britdisc Message-ID: <199705120213_MC2-1660-AB9D@compuserve.com> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Just a quick one BritDisc-ers; a couple of months ago BBC Scotland came down to Trent Park in North London to film a piece for the TV show Activ-8, which aims to introduce new sports to kids on primetime telly. Hurricane from Highfield school and Bone (now an ex- team, unfortunately) took part and the result is on BBC 1 tomorrow (Tuesday 13th) at 5.10 pm. Might be worth taping if you need a short (sub 10 mins.) video to show to schools if you're thinking of setting a team up? Cheers Jim (Village) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon May 12 08:13:34 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id HAA17482; Mon, 12 May 1997 07:48:18 +0100 (BST) Received: from crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id HAA17477; Mon, 12 May 1997 07:48:15 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 07:48:13 +0100 (BST) From: Mr R C Doswell Message-Id: <29032.199705120648@crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Received: by crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk id HAA29032; Mon, 12 May 1997 07:48:13 +0100 (BST) To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: BUF Events Reminder Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk British Ultimate Federation Disc Events Diary --------------------------------------------- May 1997 -------- Saturday 17 May 1997 Kowpat '97 (Spice Beef - The Horny Tourny) (2 days) @ Milton Keynes Nottingham Outdoors (2 days) @ Nottingham Saturday 24 May 1997 GB Open Team practice (2 days) @ London (Note may be Sat/Sun OR Sun/Mon) Saturday 31 May 1997 BUF Tour III (2 days) @ Swindon June 1997 --------- Saturday 7 June 1997 International Ultimate Frisbee Student Tournament (2 days) (Non-UK event) @ University of Karlsruhe, DE Red Co-ed Outdoors (2 days) @ Countesthorpe, Leicester Saturday 14 June 1997 Exeter Hat Tourny (2 days) @ Exter GB Women (squad only) practice (1 day) @ TBA Sunday 15 June 1997 GB Open Team practice + GB Women and open womens practice (1 day) @ TBA Saturday 21 June 1997 BUF Tour IV : Southampton Outdoors (2 days) @ Southampton July 1997 --------- Saturday 5 July 1997 BUF Tour V (2 days) @ Double Locks, Exeter Friday 11 July 1997 Warwick Bears 21st Reunion (3 days) TBC @ University of Warwick Saturday 12 July 1997 GB Women (squad only) practice (1 day) @ Warwick Sunday 13 July 1997 GB Open Team practice + GB Women and womens open practice (1 day) @ TBA (Warwick?) Sunday 27 July 1997 World Ultimate Club Championships (WUCC'97) (7 days) (Non-UK event) @ Vancouver, CA August 1997 ----------- Saturday 2 August 1997 LUCC (Lurkers Ultimate Club Championships!) (2 days) TBC @ TBA Sunday 10 August 1997 GB Open Team practice + GB women and womens open practice (1 day) @ TBA Saturday 16 August 1997 Ross-on-Wye (2 days) TBC @ Ross-On-Wye! Saturday 23 August 1997 1997 BDGA Championships (2 days) (Non-Ultimate) TBC Sunday 24 August 1997 EFDF European Ultimate Championships (7 days) @ Millfield School, Street, Somerset, UK September 1997 -------------- Thursday 11 September 1997 British Open (4 days) Saturday 27 September 1997 BUF National Finals (outdoor) (2 days) @ Time is running out for anyone interested in hosting this! October 1997 ------------ Saturday 25 October 1997 BUF Regional Championships (3 REGIONS) (2 days) @ ***TDs required*** (date is flexible) --------------------------------------------------------------- British Ultimate Federation Disc Events Diary http://www.csv.warwick.ac.uk:5201/cgi-bin/diary Ranulf Doswell, ralf@dcs.warwick.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon May 12 09:49:09 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id JAA24839; Mon, 12 May 1997 09:09:48 +0100 (BST) Received: from wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id JAA24830; Mon, 12 May 1997 09:09:44 +0100 (BST) Received: by wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk (UK-Smail 3.1.25.1/15) id ; Mon, 12 May 97 09:09 BST Message-Id: Date: Mon, 12 May 97 09:09 BST From: mackay@mrao.cam.ac.uk (David J.C. MacKay) To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: 175g discs Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Dear Britdisc I have imported a load of discs with a new design of hot stamp --- the product of five years' research at Cambridge University. Initial tests on volunteers indicate that it's a cool design. The writing on the disc says "Play Ultimate!". The discs are Ultrastars of course and are available at the standard price - 8 pounds. If a team wants to make a bulk order, the price is 7 pounds each. To support junior teams, I'll make a further big discount for bulk orders from juniors. To make your bulk order, contact me, saying which tournament you will be at, and how many you want. (Colours: white/pink/yellow) I will be at Swindon and at either Mad Kows or Nottingham. yours David ========================================================================== David J.C. MacKay email: mackay@mrao.cam.ac.uk www: http://wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk/mackay/ Cavendish Laboratory, tel: (01223) 339852 fax: 354599 home: 276411 Madingley Road, international code: +44 1223 Cambridge CB3 0HE. U.K. room: 982 Rutherford Building From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue May 13 17:52:05 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id RAA12421; Tue, 13 May 1997 17:29:03 +0100 (BST) From: pbennison@csksoftware.com Received: from quay by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id RAA12346; Tue, 13 May 1997 17:28:29 +0100 (BST) Received: from Tfs by quay with smtp (Aix Smail3.1.29.1 #2) id m0wRKQX-0001KhC; Tue, 13 May 97 17:27 BST Message-Id: Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 17:17:47 +0000 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk, EuroDisc@ira.uka.de Subject: Pookas looking for players ... MIME-version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: TFS Gateway /222000000/222030473/222002635/222082120/ Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk The Pookas (Dublin) are planning on sending an Irish team to the European Finals in Somerset. If you are interested in picking up with us, we'll be=20 going=20 to the Southampton tournie on June 21st. Feel free to e-mail me, or call S= imon=20 at=20 +353 1 454 9817 to let us know if you can play with us at Southampton and/o= r Somerset. Peter Bennison Pookas - Dublin Ultimate From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue May 13 18:31:58 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id SAA19720; Tue, 13 May 1997 18:06:22 +0100 (BST) Received: from violet.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id SAA19692; Tue, 13 May 1997 18:06:14 +0100 (BST) Received: from admin.warwick.ac.uk by violet.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id SAA21870; Tue, 13 May 1997 18:06:01 +0100 (BST) Received: from SIGMA/MERCURY by admin.warwick.ac.uk (Mercury 1.21); 13 May 97 18:07:02 +0000 Received: from MERCURY by SIGMA (Mercury 1.21); 13 May 97 18:06:33 +0000 From: "DEREK ROBINS" Organization: University of Warwick, CV4 7AL, UK To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 18:06:29 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Sports Council (Non) Recognition X-mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.1 (R1a) Message-ID: <33B40171C50@admin.warwick.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Britdiscers, Before reading further you may wish to remove from your desk all objects which you might feel like throwing if you were angry. There follows the text of a letter which the Sports Council sent to Sam Neilson some 16 months after the application for recognition was made. 6th May Recognition By The Sports Council ================================= As you are aware from correspondence with my colleague Phil Collier (who now works for the English Sports Council) a decision regarding your application for formal recognition, by the Sports Councils, of the activity of flying disc sports was delayed due to the restructuring of the Sports Council. Your application has now been given full consideration by the UK Officers' Steering Group on Recognition, by the Chief Officers Group of the home countries (and UK) Sports Councils and by the United Kingdom Sports Council (UKSC). I regret to inform you that the decision of the Sports Councils was that flying disc sports should not be formally recognised by the Sports Councils, primarily on the grounds of lack of uniqueness of the activity. The decision was endorsed at a meeting of the UKSC on 24th March 1997. I recognise that you may be disappointed by the decision but should explain that the Sports Councils in the United Kingdom do not decide what is and what is not a sport. Rather the Sports Councils identify, through the formal recognition process, a range of activities which the Councils wish to be associated with and which they believe should be developed. The assessment criteria sent to you previously form a basis for such decisions. Yours sincerely, Kevin Moore Senior Manager Governing Body Support Performance Development Directorate So there you have it - a complete load of bo***cks and an utter disgrace. How on earth anyone can say that flying disc sports are not unique enough I cannot comprehend. Relying on reason and fairness has failed and we need to look at methods of lobbying. Writing to MP's, Sports Minister, Sports Councils is an obvious starting point. We could be more creative eg find out who really makes the decisions and indoctrinate their sons/daughters in the ways of the disc!! Let the ideas and letters flow! Del *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*- Derek Robins | | D.J.Robins@admin.warwick.ac.uk Finance Office | | Tel 01203 522710 University of Warwick | | Fax 01203 524573 Coventry CV4 7AL | | Home 01926 864136 *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*- From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed May 14 05:04:18 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id EAA23622; Wed, 14 May 1997 04:33:23 +0100 (BST) Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id EAA23616; Wed, 14 May 1997 04:33:17 +0100 (BST) Received: from ultimatum.demon.co.uk ([158.152.203.174]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa0521491; 14 May 97 2:10 BST Subject: Re: Sports Council (Non) Recognition Date: Wed, 14 May 97 02:13:11 +0100 From: Paul Hurt To: BritDisc Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Message-ID: <863572233.0521491.0@ultimatum.demon.co.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi Re: Sports Council decision... Arse. No surprise though. I don't think "uniqueness" has anything to do with their decision (what's more unique than SOTG?). I think the last paragraph is more telling... >the Sports Councils identify, >through the formal recognition process, a range of activities which the >Councils wish to be associated with and which they believe should be >developed. Basically, they don't want to be "associated with" us, because we play with a "Frisbee". The quote is (I believe) "...well, if they were playing this with a BALL I don't see we'd have any problem with it..." Jerks. They have no idea. If they'd just get off their fat arses and come to see a tournament... --- Okay, calming down for a second... consider this... couldn't it be that the REAL problem is that there simply aren't enough people in the UK playing Disc Sports? If there were ten or twenty thousand players, perhaps we'd have a stronger case thru sheer weight of numbers. But, regardless of whether Ultimate (sorry golfers, can't really speak for you) is a bona-fide sport, a rough total of one thousand players (at best) makes us very very small potatoes indeed. We need growth. We need to provide opportunities for "ordinary people" to try the game. We need to cater for people who'd love to play Ultimate, but aren't prepared to dedicate one weekend in every three to the sport. To paraphrase Neil Travers - "not everyone is a Frisbee-is-my-life case." More geo-teams. More local initiatives (like, dare I say, the London Ultimate Session). More tournaments staged in public spaces (imagine Leicester Ultim-8 with SUNSHINE!). And more attention to how we look after interested parties AFTER they've bitten the first time. Thank god for the Universities. Without the student player-base, we'd be dead in the water. And, while student Ultimate is doing very nicely thank-you, it's an extremely complacent sport that thinks it can grow very far on the strength of eighteen or so University teams. What proportion of University-leaving Ultimate players continue playing after graduation? While I'm sure it's a higher proportion than it was ten years ago (Ultimate's much more fun now than it was ten years ago) it's probably not high enough to see our sport take off. Are people really taking up the sport very much faster than they're dropping out of it at the other end? Chickens and eggs. Rocks and hard places. What are YOU prepared to do to help our sport achieve the status we all know it deserves? Paul (normally more mild-mannered than this) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Hurt Editor, Ultimatum Magazine, London, England paul@ultimatum.demon.co.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed May 14 07:54:41 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id HAA06497; Wed, 14 May 1997 07:28:21 +0100 (BST) Received: from arl-img-9.compuserve.com by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id HAA06493; Wed, 14 May 1997 07:28:16 +0100 (BST) Received: by arl-img-9.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id CAA08758; Wed, 14 May 1997 02:22:43 -0400 Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 02:22:15 -0400 From: Jim McDonnell Subject: School Fete Frisbee... To: Britdisc Cc: Andrew Feltham Message-ID: <199705140222_MC2-1688-BC8F@compuserve.com> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hello Britdisc. Apologies to teams/players too geographically remote to have an interest in this, but... This time last year we (Village People) were asked to help out at a school fete in Harpenden; this involved being around at the fete all day (9 - 5), staging a couple of demonstration games and inbetween times teaching anyone interested how to throw, catch, play the game... Last year was blazing hot and we were treated as near to royalty as you could wish - beer, soft drinks, and all the bungee running you could eat. So - this year we've been asked to organize the same thing again; what I'm looking for are volunteers to make up two teams + subs. The date (and here's the tricky bit) is Saturday 14th June, which unfortunately clashes with the Exeter Hat. But... you get to help promote our chosen sport, enhance its public image, brownie points, blah, blah... If you like the idea of spending a day in the scorching June sun in Herts., please get in touch with me by mail or phone on 0181 444 8695 ASAP. ((Andrew Feltham and Dora (I-don't-seem-to-have-your-email-address-but-you-came-along-last-year-how-a bout-it-again?) Kemp are you out there?)) Cheers - Jim From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed May 14 09:42:11 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id JAA17129; Wed, 14 May 1997 09:23:24 +0100 (BST) Received: from dns0.curved-logic.com by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id JAA17116; Wed, 14 May 1997 09:23:14 +0100 (BST) Received: from pc15.curved-logic.com by dns0.curved-logic.com id aa03890; 14 May 97 9:27 GMT Received: by pc15.curved-logic.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BC6047.603A28A0@pc15.curved-logic.com>; Wed, 14 May 1997 09:15:33 +0100 Message-ID: <01BC6047.603A28A0@pc15.curved-logic.com> From: Kevin Lowe To: "'Britdisc'" Subject: School demos Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 09:15:32 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk >So - this year we've been asked to organize the same thing again; what = >I'm looking for are volunteers to make up two teams + subs. The date = >(and here's the tricky bit) is Saturday 14th June, which unfortunately = >clashes with the Exeter Hat. Arse! How have we managed to clash with this again? Anyway, please get out=20 there that weekend, and either come to Exeter for a wonderful Hat=20 tournament, or get along and help promote junior Ultimate (remember what = Paul Hurt said about growth). You're more than welcome to turn up to the = Hat on the Saturday night after the school fete, have loads of beers, = and=20 join a team on the Sunday. We have been trying to get a school's pack finished, and June 14th is = our=20 new deadline. What it will contain is Scott's Frisbee basics pack which=20 now incorporates Connor's lesson plan, a free disc, BUF information,=20 information on other disc sports, where to buy more discs,=20 photocopyable posters, etc. We also hope to have it all converted into=20 National Curriculum jargon so it can become a plug in for schools. If=20 anybody out there has experience of writing National Curriculum plugins, = can they please get in touch ASAP. By September, we should have the entire pack finished which will include = a=20 promotional video, set of 10 discs, Curriculum plugin, and possibly a=20 coaching video. Obviously, the finished pack is going to cost a fair = amount. There are other junior demos we have been asked to get involved in (one = in=20 Gosport, another in Somerset) so please help us expand the sport by=20 getting involved.=20 Kevin. PS. The Sport's Council have only ever recognised three sports with less = than 50,000 players. If we want recognition, we must expand into schools = to improve our player base. --=20 | E-mail Kev@Curved-logic.com Phone (+44)1244-382371 | Q. Which is the greater problem in the world today, Ignorance or = Apathy? | A. I don't know, and I really don't care! From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed May 14 10:18:30 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id JAA21565; Wed, 14 May 1997 09:57:14 +0100 (BST) Received: from [137.205.222.1] by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id JAA21552; Wed, 14 May 1997 09:57:04 +0100 (BST) X-Sender: serai@mail.csv.warwick.ac.uk Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 09:59:00 +0100 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: Dave Neilson Subject: Simon Moore on e-mail? Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Does anyone have an e-mail address for Simon Moore? If so, could you let me know - Ta! Sorry to bother you if you don't, ... or don't even know who is ... Sam Neilson ============================ Still Aimlessly Meandering Still Thinking About Nothing SUNTANS Veteran From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed May 14 11:20:47 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id LAA01804; Wed, 14 May 1997 11:00:04 +0100 (BST) Received: from venus.le.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id KAA01790; Wed, 14 May 1997 10:59:57 +0100 (BST) Received: from rose.le.ac.uk by venus.le.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Wed, 14 May 1997 10:57:08 +0100 Received: from ROSE/SpoolDir by rose.le.ac.uk (Mercury 1.21); 14 May 97 10:57:09 +0100 (BST) Received: from SpoolDir by ROSE (Mercury 1.30); 14 May 97 10:56:46 +0100 (BST) From: "M.J. Ashton" To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 10:56:43 +0100 (BST) Subject: FRisbee X-mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.31 Message-ID: Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk After the recent article DEL(with HAIR!?) managed to do for GQ active, another article concerning Frisbee is in FHM. It is simply about how much calories you would burn up in 10 minutes of a given sport...Football, running etc. Imagine my surprise when I spotted FRISBEE in with these "offically recognised sports". The long and the short of it is that "team Frisbee" burns the same amount of calories as a "hard game of football", this is between 30 and 40 calories for 10 minutes. However due to the stop/start nature of the game it`s not as cardio vasicular as say cycling.... Two articles in two major magazines in the space of a month! Also in the main picture the model has hold of a pink ultrastar!!! Just thought I`d let everybody know how fit we must all be??? Mark(Jesters) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed May 14 11:21:14 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id KAA00775; Wed, 14 May 1997 10:54:08 +0100 (BST) Received: from [137.205.222.1] by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id KAA00743; Wed, 14 May 1997 10:53:52 +0100 (BST) X-Sender: serai@mail.csv.warwick.ac.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <33B40171C50@admin.warwick.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 10:55:48 +0100 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: Dave Neilson Subject: Re: Sports Council (Non) Recognition Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk I have talked to a number of people over the years while I have been pursuing Sports Council Recognition for disc sports. I think I could (by and large) group them into one or other of the following: OPTIMIST ... maybe if we tweak our application and try again, and wait patiently ... surely they will see the true value of Ultimate & Disc Golf as a superb way of allowing 'Joe (Joanne) Public' to enjoy sport and recreation where mutual respect and SOTG are more important than 'Win At All Costs' (WAAC)? PESSIMIST ... we will never convince the dullards who control the purse-strings of Sports Council money that disc sports are worth more than a 'I've-played-that-on-the-beach' or 'if-you-put-razor-blades-on-the-edge' -type comment. If it doesn't fit the conventional formula you are doomed to failure. Why are we wasting our time and effort pursuing the pot of gold at the end of the Sports Council rainbow? EXPANSIONIST ... despite what they say, the Sports Council are only really going to recognise sports that are played by many thousands of people. We ought to concentrate our efforts on growing the sport(s) at grass roots through schools and community-based programmes. Maybe the Sports Council will look at us when we have X thousand active players? PROMOTIONIST ... we are still too closely linked with beach activities and we ought to spend more effort raising the awarenes of disc play as sport. We need to be more visible on TV, radio, the press and to the public at large during all our events. LOBBYIST ... the normal channels are a good start, but we really need to enlist the support of 'independent' public figures. Why don't we all send letters to our local MPs and have the BFDF/BUF/BDGA approach the Minister of Sport, TV celebrities, respected figures in sport and sports medicine - we could invite these people to witness our sports first hand so that they might fight the battle with us and for us? ACTIVIST ... if we find out who really makes the decisions at the Sports Council meetings and committees we could indoctrinate them aan their children. We could ensure that demonstrations of our sports take place near to where they live and bombard them with invitations to attend and ensure they receive the best hospitality when they show up. There are other (made up) camps that I could try to stereotype, but I think you get the message. Personally, I think there are truths in virtually all of the above. My question to you is: "What do *YOU* think we ought to do next?" Post your answers to BritDisc or direct to myself (D.P.Neilson@warwick.ac.uk). Sam Neilson. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed May 14 13:35:23 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id NAA25392; Wed, 14 May 1997 13:12:38 +0100 (BST) Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id NAA25351; Wed, 14 May 1997 13:12:22 +0100 (BST) Received: from frost.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id NAA19067; Wed, 14 May 1997 13:12:20 +0100 (BST) Received: from FROST/SpoolDir by frost.csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mercury 1.21); 14 May 97 13:12:20 +0100 Received: from SpoolDir by FROST (Mercury 1.21); 14 May 97 13:12:12 +0100 From: "Philip Trostel" Organization: University of Warwick To: Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 13:12:05 +0100 (BST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Sports Council (Non) Recognition Reply-to: p.a.trostel@csv.warwick.ac.uk X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Message-ID: <4FB7EFE4DA9@frost.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Dear Sammy and anyone else who is interested, I have another category for you. Groucho Marx once said something to the effect that I wouldn't want to a part of any club that would take me as a member. This is what I think about the Sports Council non-Recognition for disc sports. This might seem absurd, but I am serious. First, they have already proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that they don't know their assholes from holes in the ground. Do we really want "recognition" from these stodgy old farts? Second, Ultimate has always been an "alternative" sport. It is part of its appeal. Is "recognition" really going to help us? And third, are we sure that we even want their help? Few things are really free. Are we willing to put up with the enevitable strings which will be attached with their recognition? Will it be worth what we can actually expect to receive from their recognition? In short, I am in the "sod-them" category. I think we have much better uses of our time than grovelling to those clueless bastards. For example, we could be playing more Ultimate and having more fun. This is what is best for the game. This is what attracts people more than everything else combined. ************************* Philip A Trostel p.a.trostel@warwick.ac.uk Department of Economics University of Warwick Coventry CV4 7AL England tel (44) 1203 523 034 fax (44) 1203 523 032 ************************* From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed May 14 14:36:53 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id OAA06248; Wed, 14 May 1997 14:18:37 +0100 (BST) Received: from dns0.curved-logic.com by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id OAA06178; Wed, 14 May 1997 14:18:09 +0100 (BST) Received: from pc15.curved-logic.com by dns0.curved-logic.com id aa04933; 14 May 97 14:20 GMT Received: by pc15.curved-logic.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BC6070.4B8BFB80@pc15.curved-logic.com>; Wed, 14 May 1997 14:08:27 +0100 Message-ID: <01BC6070.4B8BFB80@pc15.curved-logic.com> From: Kevin Lowe To: "'Britdisc'" Subject: Sports Council. Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 14:08:26 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk >Do we really want "recognition" from these stodgy old farts? Unfortunately, yes we do. In the last couple of years, we could have applied for (and probably got) National Lottery funding for 3 full time youth developers for Ultimate. It would have meant the BUF could employ people to start up junior teams in specific areas. We'd have met the criteria set by the board (community based, co-ed, etc.) and been able to employ players to really promote the sport at a junior level (It would be an ideal job for anyone having just done a PGCE but wanting a year out before starting teaching). the funding could have been for five years. Why did this idea not get off the ground? You can't apply for National Lottery funding if you're not recognised by the Sport's Council. End of story. I'm a youth group leader in an 'alternative' youth organisation. Because it's recognised by the Department of Education as an educational charity, we can apply for funding. There are many leaders that do not agree with the lottery, but if we don't apply for it, it will go to the 'undeserving causes' that they are complaining about. As a result, we got 66,000 pounds do develop peer led education in Brighton, 150,000 to buy and do up a camping barn, etc. The money is there, but if we can't even get in through the front door, we haven't a hope of seeing any money. Many organisations cannot exist (well, certainly can't grow) relying solely on money raised internally. Look at how much funding Swedish Ultimate gets from its Government. Think what we could do for the sport in this country if we had a fraction of that money. We have to get recognition! If disc sports are not unique enough, then perhaps Disc golf and Ultimate are. There is the option of applying separately. We should hassle Tony Banks (Minister of Sport) emphasizing the elements of Ultimate that will appeal to him (cheapness, co-educational, spirit of the game, not Win at all costs, onus of fair play on individuals, etc.) He actually stood up in the House of Commons and said some good words about our 'alternative' youth organisation when the Government was ranting on about Combined Cadet Forces in comprehensives (I think the quote in Hansard was "Would not it be better, if we have that debate, to encourage our children to join the Woodcraft Folk, so that they can learn to love their fellow creatures rather than how to shoot them? ") Just my tuppence worth. Kevin. -- | E-mail Kev@Curved-logic.com Phone (+44)1244-382371 | Q. Which is the greater problem in the world today, Ignorance or Apathy? | A. I don't know, and I really don't care! From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed May 14 15:23:23 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id PAA14932; Wed, 14 May 1997 15:06:12 +0100 (BST) Received: from kestrel.mcg.gla.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id PAA14913; Wed, 14 May 1997 15:06:02 +0100 (BST) Received: from mcg1.mcg.gla.ac.uk by kestrel.mcg.gla.ac.uk (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id OAA09355; Wed, 14 May 1997 14:54:00 +0100 Received: from MCG1/SpoolDir by mcg1.mcg.gla.ac.uk (Mercury 1.21); 14 May 97 15:06:01 +1100 Received: from SpoolDir by MCG1 (Mercury 1.21); 14 May 97 15:05:54 +1100 From: "David Grayson" Organization: Multimedia Communications Group To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 15:05:45 gmt+1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Sports Council. X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.40) Message-ID: <2408BCB7520@mcg1.mcg.gla.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Kevin touched on the point that occured to me. Why did we apply as disc sports? Surely an argument for a sport to be included is to apply as a sport - not several all lumped together. Once one disc based sport is recognised then a huge obstacle (namely the "frisbee" stuff) will be removed from all the others. Also if 2 different disc sports were to be pushing their cases (ultimate and golf), being pushed by two different organisations (BUF and BDGA) and different people then this might help to dispell the "frisbee" tag which is believed to be the cause of the antagonism towards us (although this is almost certainly not the only reason) as more than one sport would be seen to use these items of serious sports equipment. Hope this isn't taken as a criticism of the previous bid, it's just a question. When do we apply again? Dave. (Mud Culture activist/optimist/expansionist/lobbyist/promotionalist) \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ David Grayson Multimedia Communications Group Department of Psychology 52 Hillhead Street University of Glasgow Glasgow G12 Tel 0141 330 6237 /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed May 14 16:57:36 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id QAA03193; Wed, 14 May 1997 16:40:27 +0100 (BST) Received: from [137.205.222.1] by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id QAA03141; Wed, 14 May 1997 16:40:12 +0100 (BST) X-Sender: serai@mail.csv.warwick.ac.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199705141526.QAA26067@nernst.chem.gla.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 16:42:06 +0100 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: Dave Neilson Subject: Re: Sports Council recognition Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Simon (Mud Culture) wrote: >Excuse my ignorance, but what exactly is at stake here? What would the BFDF >gain from Sports Council recognition? Would it be just a wad of money, or >would they help or advise us in setting up coaching sessions at schools / >universities, aim to qualify current or past players as coaches, or what? This is a good question. The following is an extract from the latest letter written in support of our (BFDF) application: QUOTE As you will be chairing the next meeting of the recognition group, I thought that this might be an appropriate time to re-iterate why we, the organisers of Flying Disc Sports in Britain, are applying for Sports Council recognition. What benefits does Sports Council recognition bring? Credibility First and foremost gaining recognition by a government body brings with it a seal of approval which can open doors. It helps gain media exposure; plays its part in reassuring potential corporate sponsors and gives credence in dealings with other organisations. Confidence With official recognition comes the confidence for those administering an emerging sport (which may already have achieved some sort of critical mass amongst its playing population) to drive for longer term goals. The creation of coaching schemes, schools development initiatives, investment in personnel and facilities, all of these activities require the longer term planning that can only come with the reassurance that the sport will be attracting new members and improving in ten or twenty years time. Compatibility When other countries are actively developing their youth development programmes and giving their national squads exposure to competition at international level, it requires a nationally recognised organisational body to act as a focus for information and action. Official recognition assists the development of the sport beyond the inward vision of those playing at local and county level, and encourages a broader vision and active participation in the governing of the sport on a world stage. You will already have our completed application form along with a wealth of supporting documentation which I submitted for the May meeting of the recognition group. Since you were not present at that meeting, I think that a reminder might be useful. Overleaf [below] is a brief summary of what we perceive as the benefits of Disc Sports which, I think, brings out their appropriateness to both school and community-based development programmes. Disc Sports ... ... are Simple to Play. There are many variations of disc games - just as there are numerous school yard ball games - which are very simple to teach and learn, but there are also a collection of disc sports played to a set of internationally agreed rules. This family of sports includes individual, pairs and team activities which can be played competitively and recreationally. ... are Inexpensive. There are a range of sports discs suited to all standards and disciplines, but even the most specialist are very low in price compared to other sports equipment. ... Promote Fair Play. When the rules of disc sports were first drafted in the mid to late sixties, the founders introduced a mutual respect clause which perhaps captured the mood of those times. Subsequent changes to the rules have retained this 'Spirit of The Game' placing responsibility for good conduct and fair play in the hands of the individual disc player. Consequently, the need for referees or umpires is effectively removed. There were doubters back in the sixties, but over twenty five years later even the world finals are contested without referees and with no apparent loss of competitive edge! ... are for Everyone. Disc sports are strictly non-contact which makes them accessible to all age groups and both sexes. In addition, since disc skills are transferable across the family of sports, the disc enthusiast can develop throwing and catching techniques throughout a lifetime of sporting activity. ... are Different! Disc sports offer a refreshing change to other team and individual sports most of which use a ball. The hand/eye co-ordination required to achieve a degree of competence in throwing and catching a flying disc is reward in itself, but the quick learning of the basics rapidly leads the newly captivated disc thrower to test out their disc skills in a situation more demanding than simple throw & catch. ... are FUN! The infectious friendly spirit which pervades all disc sports is not confined to the field of play and the social aspect is an integral part of every tournament and gathering. This attitude is also reflected in the colours and designs of discs themselves, as well as in the innovative sportswear and fashions. We look forward to your reply. UNQUOTE The above was copied to everyone on the SC Recognition Panel. In a nutshell, recognition does not mean automatic DOSH! But as Kevin Lowe has graphically explained, without SC recognition we cannot apply for Lottery money and many other doors remain closed to us. Sam Neilson BFDF. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed May 14 17:06:01 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id QAA03710; Wed, 14 May 1997 16:43:13 +0100 (BST) Received: from venus.le.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id QAA03687; Wed, 14 May 1997 16:43:06 +0100 (BST) Received: from hawk.le.ac.uk by venus.le.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Wed, 14 May 1997 16:39:54 +0100 Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 16:39:41 +0100 (BST) From: Scott X-Sender: iws1@hawk To: britdisc Subject: Re: Sports Council. In-Reply-To: <2408BCB7520@mcg1.mcg.gla.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk David wrote: > Kevin touched on the point that occured to me. Why did we apply as > disc sports? > > Surely an argument for a sport to be included is to apply as a sport > - not several all lumped together. Once one disc based sport is > recognised then a huge obstacle (namely the "frisbee" stuff) will be > removed from all the others. When the Sports Council were initially approached back almost two years ago now, the advice from our case officer Phil Collier was that the application would be viewed more favourably if the family of disc sports were presented in one package. Maybe he lied! Sam asked, what should we do next... My personal view is that we shouldn't give up! I would be very much in favour of lobbying Tony Banks, but all the approaches Sam identified at once would work even better. My usual fear is that everyone is full of good intention and gusto but short on actual time to commit to furthering our collective cause. >From my experience of public institutions if you pester them enough they eventually give in just to shut you up, but this kind of approach takes (wo)manpower. So keep the idea's coming, but more importantly, anyone who is prepared to give and hour a week to the cause and has access to a telephone or computer or photocopier, please let yourself be known. This more than anything else will be to key to our successful recognition by the Sports Council. Scott /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ SCOTT: Ian Scotland Tel: 0116 2525824 Fax: 0116 2523154 E-mail: iws1@le.ac.uk http://wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk/buf/ /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu May 15 09:04:21 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id IAA20871; Thu, 15 May 1997 08:34:48 +0100 (BST) Received: from utrecht.knoware.nl by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id IAA20820; Thu, 15 May 1997 08:34:18 +0100 (BST) Received: from rw (huisie-ppp2.knoware.nl [193.78.127.103]) by utrecht.knoware.nl (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id JAA19759 for ; Thu, 15 May 1997 09:34:08 +0200 Message-Id: <199705150734.JAA19759@utrecht.knoware.nl> From: "Rene Westenberg" To: Subject: Message for Charlie Mead Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 09:24:12 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk For Charlie's eyes only.... or anyone who can answer the question. Hello Charlie, on behalf of Sander Dorgelo, the Dutch masters team coordinator, the following question: What is the number of masters teams coming to the 1997 EC in Street. ? (meaning the number you are certain of at this moment) thanks, Rene Westenberg From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu May 15 11:24:17 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id LAA19396; Thu, 15 May 1997 11:00:10 +0100 (BST) Received: from beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id KAA19382; Thu, 15 May 1997 10:59:58 +0100 (BST) Received: from redwood.sucs.soton.ac.uk (redwood.sucs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.24.33]) by beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.5/server) with ESMTP id KAA22091 for ; Thu, 15 May 1997 10:59:40 +0100 (BST) Received: from b25b-05.sucs.soton.ac.uk (b25b-05.sucs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.24.38]) by redwood.sucs.soton.ac.uk (SMI-8.6/client) with ESMTP id KAA15999 for ; Thu, 15 May 1997 10:59:33 +0100 Received: (from ajk194@localhost) by b25b-05.sucs.soton.ac.uk (SMI-8.6/client-8.8) id OAA08349 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Mon, 16 Dec 1996 14:30:33 GMT Message-Id: <199612161430.OAA08349@b25b-05.sucs.soton.ac.uk> Subject: soton lost property To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk (British Disc Mailing List) Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 14:30:32 +0000 (GMT) From: "Fergal" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi, I believe that somebody left a pair of tracksuit bottoms at the southampton tourne this weekend, they are blue and have TROOP written down one leg. I have seen them on someone, but can't remember whom. If they are yours let me know. Andy K. Skunks Captain From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu May 15 13:44:49 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id NAA16346; Thu, 15 May 1997 13:27:37 +0100 (BST) Received: from [137.205.222.1] by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id NAA16330; Thu, 15 May 1997 13:27:22 +0100 (BST) X-Sender: serai@mail.csv.warwick.ac.uk Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 13:29:19 +0100 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: Dave Neilson Subject: Sports Council BALLS! Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Dear BD'ers, Open a window, loosen your collar and put down any sharp objects ... I have just finished talking to Kevin Moore, the Sports Council (SC) contact regarding the NON recognition of disc sports on the grounds of: "lack of uniqueness of the activity" I asked him to clarify the statement and he explained that there was nothing in the skills and physical exercise etc. required to play disc sports which are not already catered for within the collection of sports already recognised. He gave as an example, if you replaced the ball in American Football with a disc, then you would have Ultimate. He and his committee members felt, therefore that there was nothing unique to disc sports which warranted the SC associating itself with them. I pointed out that what could be more unique than the fact that disc sports use a flying disc, to which he suggested that anyone could invent a new sport based upon an existing sport by, say, replacing the ball with a paper cup and then argue the merits of the skill required to throw a paper cup! I could not believe my ears! This Chair of the Recognition Panel and associated committees was likening disc skills to paper aeroplane throwing! I pointed out that disc sports had been played for 40 years [i.e. Guts, which is much older than Ultimate!] and that our international organisation, the World Flying Disc Federation (WFDF), had become full members of both GAISF and IWGA. Surely this indicates that disc sports are not something I had made up during an idle moment and are bona fide sports. He then trotted out his standard line about the SC does not decide which activities are sports and which are not. I asked if maybe there was some confusion in the material that I had provided for him and his committees, was there something lacking in our application which we needed to revise and then re-apply? He said (in so many words) that he did not think that the SC would EVER recognise disc sports no matter how we improved our application, he said we had "No chance". He then came out with his standard line that it is the SC's responsibility to decide which sports should receive the (publicly funded) grant aid, services and support and they already recognised 100 and odd sports. Quizzing this Kevin Moore character on the phone is not going to get us anywhere. I believe that to gain the SC recognition which we richly deserve, we will have to mount our own campaign. This will have to involve a fair bit of person power and I am more than a little concerned about diverting our limited resources (i.e. people and money for telephone call and letters) from other projects which need to be pursued whether or not we are recognised members of the SC. My proposals to this group (and beyond, once this can be communicated more widely) are these: A) Establish a bank of information about our approaches to the SC to date - a good start would be to put all of my electronic records at a web site, (BUF's Scott?); B) Appoint someone to lead the campaign - the Board of the BFDF could do this, all we need are willing volunteers; C) Agree a strategy and draw up letters of approach (e.g. to local MPs); D) Maintain regular reporting to this group (and beyond) about progress. I will end there and look forward to the stream of constructive ideas to continue - some people have already volunteered their time and resouces. Are you fired up enough about this to get involved too? ... taking a Valium, Sam Neilson National Director of the BFDF. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu May 15 18:23:00 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id RAA06983; Thu, 15 May 1997 17:53:57 +0100 (BST) Received: from violet.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id RAA06970; Thu, 15 May 1997 17:53:47 +0100 (BST) Received: from admin.warwick.ac.uk by violet.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id RAA10298; Thu, 15 May 1997 17:53:40 +0100 (BST) Received: from SIGMA/MERCURY by admin.warwick.ac.uk (Mercury 1.21); 15 May 97 17:54:40 +0000 Received: from MERCURY by SIGMA (Mercury 1.21); 15 May 97 17:54:19 +0000 From: "DEREK ROBINS" Organization: University of Warwick, CV4 7AL, UK To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 17:54:15 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Worlds Biggest X-mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.1 (R1a) Message-ID: <36B0D3D736D@admin.warwick.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk This coming Sunday is "Worlds Biggest Disc Golf Tournament" day. All round the world tournaments are held at which the maximum participation is encouraged. The club which involves the biggest number of new players even gets a free set of baskets to set up a new course! I think last year there were around 17000 players involved in organised events, but I could be wrong! We are not really pushing this in Britain, but there will be small scale events in Bristol (contact Bud Tilton), Leaminton Spa (contact me) and Edinburgh (contact Liam Young). If you fancy trying your hand at disc golf you will be welcome at any of these events. These are not serious tournaments, mine is very informal turn up any time between 10am and 5pm and play as many holes as you like. I will be on hand to show people round, give coaching and persuade you to buy a commemorative disc and mini. Del *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*- Derek Robins | | D.J.Robins@admin.warwick.ac.uk Finance Office | | Tel 01203 522710 University of Warwick | | Fax 01203 524573 Coventry CV4 7AL | | Home 01926 864136 *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*- From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu May 15 21:26:53 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id VAA01096; Thu, 15 May 1997 21:06:14 +0100 (BST) Received: from phidelta.demon.co.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id VAA01083; Thu, 15 May 1997 21:05:58 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 19:55:19 GMT From: druid@phidelta.demon.co.uk (Fluid Druids Ultimate Team) Reply-To: druid@phidelta.demon.co.uk Message-Id: <6199@phidelta.demon.co.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Re: Ultimate (fwd) X-Name: Wayne Retter, Treasurer X-Team: Fluid Druids - theultimatefrisbeeteam X-WWW: http://www.dreamer.demon.co.uk/druids/ X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Lines: 43 Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Britdiscers Does anybody have a space in their team for an extra at Tour III - Swindon? especially maybe the exHamsters/Fingers6 combo? Please reply to Nancy Learned Briggs direct Cheers Wayne Retter Forwarded message follows: > Date: 12 May 97 14:47:01 EDT > From: "'Nancy Learned Briggs" <70252.2435@CompuServe.COM> > To: Fluid Druids Ultimate Team > Subject: Re: Ultimate > > Dear Wayne, > > I am sorry I didn't get back to you right away. I was writing to you on > behalf of my son who is in the U.S., will be visiting me in England later in > May, and loves Ultimate. He couldn't write himself because he is having > computer problems at the moment. I thought they would be corrected by now, but > they aren't, so I am writing again on his behalf. > My son, Mark Learned, is 24 years old and has been playing Ultimate in > the U.S. seriously for a couple of years. He plays on a couple different teams, > and has actually started a team of beginners recently. He loves playing and was > hoping while he was here to get a chance to see some British style Ultimate and, > if he was really lucky, get a chance to play a bit. > During my search for him on Internet, I learned about a couple of teams > near me (I am in Kent near Dover at St. Margaret's Bay) - one in Sandwich and a > couple in Canterbury. Someone along the way mentioned there was going to be a > tournament in Swindon on May 31st. Mark would LOVE to attend that, but I was > looking for more information. It's a bit of a long way to drive, but we would > do it if it would be worthwhile. Your opinion and guidance would be > appreciated. .......................................... : FLUID DRUIDS : : theultimatefrisbeeteam : : Druid@phidelta.demon.co.uk : : http://www.dreamer.demon.co.uk/druids/ : :........................................: From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri May 16 10:09:32 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id JAA02523; Fri, 16 May 1997 09:45:35 +0100 (BST) Received: from saturn.theplanet.co.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id JAA02492; Fri, 16 May 1997 09:45:22 +0100 (BST) Received: from default(really [195.92.2.73]) by saturn.theplanet.co.uk via sendmail with smtp id for ; Fri, 16 May 97 09:45:14 +0100 (BST) (/\##/\ Smail3.1.30.16 #30.4 built 29-jan-96) Message-ID: <337C1C12.7FCE@glasgow.prestel.co.uk> Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 09:34:26 +0100 From: Michael Johnson Reply-To: mj@glasgow.prestel.co.uk X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: birth of Frisbee Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk FYI, There's a good story on frisbee and some great animated gifs on 'discovery's' home page. check it out at http://www.discovery.com mj From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri May 16 11:09:50 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id KAA11952; Fri, 16 May 1997 10:51:08 +0100 (BST) Received: from stone.dcs.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id KAA11941; Fri, 16 May 1997 10:50:56 +0100 (BST) Received: from guardian.dcs.warwick.ac.uk by stone.dcs.warwick.ac.uk; Fri, 16 May 1997 10:44:24 +0100 (BST) Received: from duct.mail.pipex.net by guardian.dcs.warwick.ac.uk; Fri, 16 May 1997 10:44:23 +0100 (BST) Received: from smtphost.wcom.co.uk by duct.mail.pipex.net with SMTP (PP); Fri, 16 May 1997 09:37:13 +0100 Received: by smtphost.wcom.co.uk with Microsoft Mail id <337C2A28@smtphost.wcom.co.uk>; Fri, 16 May 97 09:34:32 GMT From: "Luttrell, Suzy" To: "'ralf@dcs.warwick.ac.uk'" Date: Fri, 16 May 97 09:34:00 GMT Message-ID: <337C2A28@smtphost.wcom.co.uk> X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi Can anyone tell me where the Milton Keynes Kowpat tournament is being held? Is it possible to have directions, name of the road etc. (I need this today as I can't read my mail on Saturday). Thanx Suzy Luttres@wcom.co.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri May 16 15:30:39 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id PAA27051; Fri, 16 May 1997 15:08:29 +0100 (BST) Received: from amsta.leeds.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id PAA27036; Fri, 16 May 1997 15:08:10 +0100 (BST) Received: from newton.leeds.amsta (newton.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.64]) by amsta.leeds.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA00838 for ; Fri, 16 May 1997 15:08:16 +0100 (BST) Received: by newton.leeds.amsta (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id PAA21180; Fri, 16 May 1997 15:09:32 +0100 Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 15:09:32 +0100 From: amtsjh@amsta.leeds.ac.uk (S J Hill) Message-Id: <199705161409.PAA21180@newton.leeds.amsta> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: SWINDON - places still available... X-Sun-Charset: ISO-8859-1 Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hello. Swindon, Tour III, is approaching. The following teams (see end of message) are entered. (That is they have paid the DEPOSIT. Wayne is I'm sure badgering those teams that haven't actually paid the entry fee.) Obviously most student teams will struggle to get a team to a tournament at this time of year - but the overall number still suggests that there are quite a few teams that haven't entered. Remember - you don't have to have played in other tour events to get in - and you don't HAVE to roster your players. (Although that does place certain retrictions on the team.) And if your team isn't going but you can, then it is possible to pickup with a team if its a 'non-rostered/pickup' team. (The reason I'm saying this is so that people realise it is possible for such teams to exist and play at the tour events - I get the impression sometimes that people haven't realised.) This is a great venue - and promises to be an exciting tournament. If you haven't heard, Shotgun were beaten by Druids in Rotterdam. That should liven up the games near the top... and with so many pitches, teams further down the seedings can expect their games to be longer than ever! (ie same length as top 8 I expect!) Don't miss out! Get your entry in. Contact me or Dora, or Wayne Retter (TD). See you there. Teams that are definitely going... 1 Catch 22 2 Strange Blue 3 Fluid Druids 4 Village People 5 Shotgun Wedding I 6 Shotgun Wedding II 7 First Touch 8 Sneeekyąs 9 Chevron Action Flash 10 Oxford Ultimate I 11 Headrush 12 GB Women 13 Blue Arse Flies 14 Red Jesters 15 Violently Happy 16 Ex Hamsters/Fingers 6 17 Mad Kows 18 SLUT 19 Oxford Ultimate II 20 Stan 21 Playthings Cheers Si ---------- Simon Hill 0113 289 0971 (h) 0113 233 5175 (w) amtsjh@amsta.leeds.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri May 16 23:30:36 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id XAA25923; Fri, 16 May 1997 23:13:25 +0100 (BST) Received: from phidelta.demon.co.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id XAA25916; Fri, 16 May 1997 23:13:12 +0100 (BST) Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 22:24:21 GMT From: LayoutDreams@phidelta.demon.co.uk (Layout Dreams) Reply-To: LayoutDreams@phidelta.demon.co.uk Message-Id: <6221@phidelta.demon.co.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Re: SWINDON - places still available... X-Organisation: Layout Dreams X-WWW: http://www.phidelta.demon.co.uk/layoutdreams/ X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Lines: 42 Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk > Swindon, Tour III, is approaching. > Teams that are definitely going... *** Cheques have been received from teams, information in post Saturday 17/05/97 (chase your team contacts for copies) ??? Teams have contacted Wayne, information will go in post as soon as cheques are received !!! Hello! I'm trying to talk to you, but you haven't responded! > 1 Catch 22 *** Simon Hill > 2 Strange Blue *** Dora Kemp > 3 Fluid Druids *** Chris Hughes > 4 Village People ??? Jim McDonnell > 5 Shotgun Wedding I *** Roger Thomson > 6 Shotgun Wedding II *** Roger Thomson > 7 First Touch *** Andrew Vickers > 8 Sneeekys !!! Barry > 9 Chevron Action Flash *** Steve Kennedy > 10 Oxford Ultimate I *** Tara Jewell > 11 Headrush *** Andrew Orr-Ewing > 12 GB Women *** Sue Underwood > 13 Blue Arse Flies *** Merrick Cardew > 14 Red Jesters ??? Ian Scotland > 15 Violently Happy ??? Andy Hoad > 16 Ex Hamsters/Fingers 6 !!! Kris Bater > 17 Mad Kows !!! Trevor Collins > 18 SLUT *** Paul Holden > 19 Oxford Ultimate II *** Tara Jewell > 20 Stan *** Tony Wakeford > 21 Playthings *** Dave Eastman We've got 12 pitches Saturday, potential for 15 Sunday. A pitchside bar, a marquee to shelter from the sun, a party on Saturday night, a campsite, rooms with beds, showers and flushing toilets available for hire... You know you want to come! Wayne Retter _____________________________________________________________________________ Chris Hughes layoutDREAMS Wayne Retter +44/0-151-994-2629 LayoutDreams@phidelta.demon.co.uk +44/0-1737-242109 http://www.phidelta.demon.co.uk/layout.htm From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri May 16 23:31:04 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id XAA25918; Fri, 16 May 1997 23:13:14 +0100 (BST) Received: from phidelta.demon.co.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id XAA25910; Fri, 16 May 1997 23:13:08 +0100 (BST) Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 22:04:46 GMT From: druid@phidelta.demon.co.uk (Fluid Druids Ultimate Team) Reply-To: druid@phidelta.demon.co.uk Message-Id: <6219@phidelta.demon.co.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Re: Ultimate (fwd) X-Name: Wayne Retter, Treasurer X-Team: Fluid Druids - theultimatefrisbeeteam X-WWW: http://www.dreamer.demon.co.uk/druids/ X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Lines: 44 Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk BritDiscers Further to my previous message - anybody fancy forming a nonRostered team for the Tour III Swindon event - looks like there is definately one, possibly two people looking to play AND they'll bring a supporting Mum (I wonder if she knows who Kenny Dobbins' Mum is ?) Quick, think about it, assemble a team, contact the Learned Briggses and let Layout Dreams know you want to come... Wayne Retter PS: Note the 3rd sentence - way to go, all you nice people! Forwarded message follows: > Date: 16 May 97 02:46:11 EDT > From: "'Nancy Learned Briggs" <70252.2435@CompuServe.COM> > To: Fluid Druids Ultimate Team > Subject: Re: Ultimate > > Thanks so much for your message. I have gotten several replies to my query. > Britdiscers are very nice people! > > Mark will be here only three days, unfortunately- May 29 - 31. He has only a > week off from his job, and he is stopping off in France first to visit his > brother, Scott, who is attending a semester of school in Nantes. Scott is also > a fan of the disc, and is also quite good (but you have to realize this is his > mother speaking.....). It is possible he might be able to get here by May 30th > and would be another available player if that would be helpful to anyone. > > We have located a practice in Sandwich Wednesday night, the 28th, but would be > interested to know if there are other teams in our area practicing on the 29th > or 30th. If you have any information on that, I'd appreciate hearing from you. > > Again, thanks for your help! > > Nancy .......................................... : FLUID DRUIDS : : theultimatefrisbeeteam : : Druid@phidelta.demon.co.uk : : http://www.dreamer.demon.co.uk/druids/ : :........................................: From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sat May 17 19:32:59 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id TAA15909; Sat, 17 May 1997 19:17:17 +0100 (BST) Received: from phidelta.demon.co.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id TAA15891; Sat, 17 May 1997 19:17:11 +0100 (BST) Date: Sat, 17 May 1997 19:04:56 GMT From: LayoutDreams@phidelta.demon.co.uk (Layout Dreams) Reply-To: LayoutDreams@phidelta.demon.co.uk Message-Id: <6222@phidelta.demon.co.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Ultim8 Tour III - Swindon X-Organisation: Layout Dreams X-WWW: http://www.phidelta.demon.co.uk/layoutdreams/ X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Lines: 17 Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk The Pre Tournament Info Packs went into the post today (to teams who've paid) The WebSite has been updated: (still no seedings while we wait for more teams/cheques) http://www.phidelta.demon.co.uk/ultim8/tour3/ For current Ultim8 RANKINGS (but NOT seedings for T3) see: http://www.phidelta.demon.co.uk/ultim8/ Information on Format (seeds 8 down) and Schedules will be announced nearer the tournament (when we know how many teams are coming!). Wayne Retter _____________________________________________________________________________ Chris Hughes layoutDREAMS Wayne Retter +44/0-151-994-2629 LayoutDreams@phidelta.demon.co.uk +44/0-1737-242109 http://www.phidelta.demon.co.uk/layoutdreams/ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon May 19 08:09:41 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id HAA01436; Mon, 19 May 1997 07:48:17 +0100 (BST) Received: from crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id HAA01429; Mon, 19 May 1997 07:48:14 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 07:48:12 +0100 (BST) From: Mr R C Doswell Message-Id: <11398.199705190648@crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Received: by crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk id HAA11398; Mon, 19 May 1997 07:48:12 +0100 (BST) To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: BUF Events Reminder Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk British Ultimate Federation Disc Events Diary --------------------------------------------- May 1997 -------- Saturday 24 May 1997 GB Open Team practice (2 days) @ London (Note may be Sat/Sun OR Sun/Mon) Saturday 31 May 1997 BUF Tour III (2 days) @ Swindon June 1997 --------- Saturday 7 June 1997 International Ultimate Frisbee Student Tournament (2 days) (Non-UK event) @ University of Karlsruhe, DE Red Co-ed Outdoors (2 days) @ Countesthorpe, Leicester Saturday 14 June 1997 Exeter Hat Tourny (2 days) @ Exter GB Women (squad only) practice (1 day) @ TBA Sunday 15 June 1997 GB Open Team practice + GB Women and open womens practice (1 day) @ TBA Saturday 21 June 1997 BUF Tour IV : Southampton Outdoors (2 days) @ Southampton July 1997 --------- Saturday 5 July 1997 BUF Tour V (2 days) @ Double Locks, Exeter Friday 11 July 1997 Warwick Bears 21st Reunion (3 days) TBC @ University of Warwick Saturday 12 July 1997 GB Women (squad only) practice (1 day) @ Warwick Sunday 13 July 1997 GB Open Team practice + GB Women and womens open practice (1 day) @ TBA (Warwick?) Sunday 27 July 1997 World Ultimate Club Championships (WUCC'97) (7 days) (Non-UK event) @ Vancouver, CA August 1997 ----------- Saturday 2 August 1997 LUCC (Lurkers Ultimate Club Championships!) (2 days) TBC @ TBA Sunday 10 August 1997 GB Open Team practice + GB women and womens open practice (1 day) @ TBA Saturday 16 August 1997 Ross-on-Wye (2 days) TBC @ Ross-On-Wye! Saturday 23 August 1997 1997 BDGA Championships (2 days) (Non-Ultimate) TBC Sunday 24 August 1997 EFDF European Ultimate Championships (7 days) @ Millfield School, Street, Somerset, UK September 1997 -------------- Thursday 11 September 1997 British Open (4 days) Saturday 27 September 1997 BUF National Finals (outdoor) (2 days) @ Time is running out for anyone interested in hosting this! October 1997 ------------ Saturday 25 October 1997 BUF Regional Championships (3 REGIONS) (2 days) @ ***TDs required*** (date is flexible) --------------------------------------------------------------- British Ultimate Federation Disc Events Diary http://www.csv.warwick.ac.uk:5201/cgi-bin/diary Ranulf Doswell, ralf@dcs.warwick.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon May 19 18:09:54 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id RAA18042; Mon, 19 May 1997 17:43:08 +0100 (BST) Received: from venus.open.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id RAA18032; Mon, 19 May 1997 17:43:04 +0100 (BST) Received: from blake.open.ac.uk by venus with SMTP Local (MMTA v2.1) with ESMTP; Mon, 19 May 1997 16:54:28 +0100 Received: from [137.108.224.16] (ck0110g7740.open.ac.uk) by blake.open.ac.uk (Netscape Mail Server v2.0) with ESMTP id AAA23418; Mon, 19 May 1997 16:52:35 +0100 X-Sender: trevor@blake.open.ac.uk Message-Id: Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 16:55:08 +0100 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: Trevor Collins Subject: Kowpat '97 - Spicey Beef what a horney tourney..... Cc: e.c.gonsalves@open.ac.uk, s.j.pierson@open.ac.uk, l.j.ritchie@open.ac.uk, c.m.hinton@open.ac.uk, t.k.waters-fuller@open.ac.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Moo, Just a quick report on Kowpat'97 the first ever Mad Kows Ultimate Tournament held last weekend (17th and 18th of May) here at the Open University in Milton Keynes. First off a big thank you must be said to Phat'eds, Angels, Playthings, Alien Nation, Catch 22, OW, Albatross, Go Fish, Stanley Peaks, the Flourence Park Flowers and all the pick-up players for coming along and giving us such a great weekend. The weather can only be summarised as sunny, rainy, sunny, being on average pretty wonderful. The play was tough but fair and the spirit was just great. We'd like to give a special mention to the Flourence Park Flowers who came along and played with us on Saturday in this their first tournament. The Flowers are a new team who we enjoyed meeting and we hope to see much more off in the future. Every game that I had a chance of seeing was played with great spirit and friendship. A great example of which was the tournament final played between Catch 22 and OW. Congratulations must go to both teams for playing so well and giving all the rest of such an exciting game to watch - especially during the two point cap. So to cut the bovine here are the final placings...... 1st - Catch 22 (Final - Winner of a Kowpat and Cup) 2nd - OW 3rd - Alien Nation 4th - Go Fish 5th - Stanley Peaks (Plate Final - Winner of a Kowpat and Plate) 6th - Playthings 7th - Pick-Up 8th - Albatross 9th - Angels (Spoon Final - Winner of a Kowpat and Spoon) 10th - Phat'eds 11th - Mad Kows (1) 12th - Mad Kows (2) For those of you who really want to know, the official match results are added to the end of this message, so you'll just have to read on. The Spirit Award; a complete matching set of artificial Kow-skin team hats, was given by a majority vote (even after a post final vote switch from Catch 22 - bless'em) to the Phat'eds. These are of an exclusive design not be found in your average high street store, so look out for them on a Phat'ed near you. Well thats the long and the short of it - thanks for reading this far. A few items of lost property have been found so if you lost anything please get in touch. See you all next year. Thanks, Trevor. Mad Kows Ultimate ps - Individual Game Results: All games except the final were 45 minutes or 13 points with a 10 minute or 2 point cap. The final was an hour long game with a 2 point (unlimited time) cap. Half-times and time-outs were left for the captains to decide prior to each game....... Day One 10.00am Go Fish 13 - 1 Mad Kows (1) Alien Nation 10 - 8 Playthings Catch twenty-two 13 - 1 Angels 11.00am OW 13 - 2 Pick-Up Oxford Flourence Park Flowers 10 - 6 Phat'eds Mad Kows (2) 8 - 7 Albatross Stanley Peaks 11 - 8 Angels 12.00pm Alien Nation 13 - 2 Oxford Flourence Park Flowers Playthings 9 - 5 Albatross Stanley Peaks 13 - 4 Mad Kows (1) 1.00pm Catch twenty-two 11 - 8 OW Go Fish 13 - 0 Phat'eds Pick-Up 9 - 8 Mad Kows (1) 2.00pm Go Fish 12 - 8 Alien Nation Angels 9 - 8 Playthings Stanley Peaks 11 - 4 Mad Kows (2) 3.00pm Catch twenty-two 13 - 0 Mad Kows (1) Albatross 11 - 4 Oxford Flourence Park Flowers Pick-Up 13 - 2 Phat'eds 4.00pm Playthings 10 - 7 Mad Kows (2) OW 12 - 6 Stanley Peaks Alien Nation 12 - 8 Pick-Up 5.00pm OW 13 - 4 Mad Kows (2) Go Fish 13 - 4 Albatross Angels 10 - 4 Oxford Flourence Park Flowers Catch twenty-two 13 - 1 Phat'eds Day Two Second 6 Pick-Up 8 - 6 Mad Kows (2) Albatross 7 - 5 Angels Pick-Up 8 - 6 Phat'eds Angels 10 - 4 Mad Kows (1) Mad Kows (2) 8 - 4 Phat'eds Albatross 9 4 Mad Kows (1) First 6 Catch twenty-two 13 - 2 Stanley Peaks OW 13 - 1 Go Fish Alien Nation 13 - 12 Stanley Peaks Go Fish 13 - 7 Playthings Catch twenty-two 13 - 5 Alien Nation OW 13 - 5 Playthings Finals Mad Kows (2) 2 - 3 Mad Kows (1) (Kows Final) Angels 13 - 1 Phat'eds (Spoon Final) Pick-Up 12 - 6 Albatross (7th - 8th Final) Stanley Peaks 13 - 6 Playthings (Plate Final) AlienNation 13 - 10 Go Fish (Semi Final) Catch twenty two 14 - 13 OW (Final) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed May 21 14:23:32 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id NAA29257; Wed, 21 May 1997 13:59:59 +0100 (BST) Received: from [137.205.222.1] by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id NAA29222; Wed, 21 May 1997 13:59:45 +0100 (BST) X-Sender: serai@mail.csv.warwick.ac.uk Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 14:01:32 +0100 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: Dave Neilson Subject: Sports Council - the next step Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Dear BD readers, I have received many e-mail comments, suggestions and ideas since the news broke about the Sports Council NON-recognition - all have been very supportive of the BFDF/BUF/BDGA efforts and a few have even taken up Scott's challenge and offered to play an active role in our next step towards recognition. If the Sports Council thought for a moment that we would just lie down and roll over, they would be sorely mistaken! I will summarise the input from BD readers and the very positive suggestions from the Central Council of Physical Recreation (CCPR) in another post later in the week. But first I wanted to explain my current thinking on the logistics side of things and then ask for people to contact me directly if they wish to volunteer. I agree strongly with the suggestion (by at least one BD reader) that the BFDF should create a new position to oversee development issues such as SC recognition. I will seek formal approval for such a post at the next BFDF Board Meeting (or AGM, whichever is the sooner), but in the meantime I feel we should strike while the iron is hot. I would like someone to take on the Development Officer role in an informal capacity for the time being so that we can agree a campaign agenda and set about executing it. WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO ACT AS THE BFDF DEVELOPMENT OFFICER? If so, please reply to me direct in the next few days so that we can start the ball rolling - I hope to be able to announce the outline plan early next week (preferably during Monday, 26 May). [Mention any relevant experience, your contact details and any other information you think is pertinent]. Please do not let last week's enthusiasm for action fizzle out - I must apologise for not posting this earlier, but I have been ill in bed for the last two days. Thanks again for your support. Sam Neilson National Director of the BFDF. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed May 21 17:44:10 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id RAA05033; Wed, 21 May 1997 17:18:11 +0100 (BST) Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id RAA05022; Wed, 21 May 1997 17:17:58 +0100 (BST) Received: from lurker.demon.co.uk ([158.152.56.63]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1023167; 21 May 97 16:49 BST Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 16:48:17 Message-ID: <233@lurker.demon.co.uk> From: Howie Lurker Organization: None Reply-To: layout@lurker.demon.co.uk To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: CANCELLED: Lurkers '97 :( X-Mailer: Newswin Alpha 0.9.1 Lines: 23 Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Dear All, We partied too hard for the rugger boys up at Woodmansterne ;) - they 'declined to offer us the venue' this year :( Despite best efforts we have been unable to find a venue at which we can put on a tourny in style that you are all used to. It would be unfair to keep looking and risk not sorting it out, you people need to know what you are doing this summer after all :) Rather than compromise and disappoint, we will have to take a year out (a la Glastonbury stylee) BUT will be back next year with all the trimmings you are used to. See you at Ross and some other good places, Howie. -- __ @ Lurkers Flying Disc Club / / --- (( ( ( ( 0 " A Venue Would Have Done It " ___/| Ultimate Matured in England For 13 Years / mailto:howard@lurker.demon.co.uk http://www.lurker.demon.co.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed May 21 18:31:28 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id SAA14911; Wed, 21 May 1997 18:12:12 +0100 (BST) Received: from violet.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id SAA14896; Wed, 21 May 1997 18:12:07 +0100 (BST) Received: from admin.warwick.ac.uk by violet.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id SAA01022; Wed, 21 May 1997 18:11:59 +0100 (BST) Received: from SIGMA/MERCURY by admin.warwick.ac.uk (Mercury 1.21); 21 May 97 18:13:04 +0000 Received: from MERCURY by SIGMA (Mercury 1.21); 21 May 97 18:12:59 +0000 From: "DEREK ROBINS" Organization: University of Warwick, CV4 7AL, UK To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 18:12:51 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Disc Golf at Quarry Park X-mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.1 (R1a) Message-ID: <3FB61056E14@admin.warwick.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk The 3rd Quarry Park Open May 24/25 ================================== All disc enthusiasts are welcome to take part in this event at my private disc golf course just outside Leamington Spa. You get all the fun of throwing discs combined with the joys of the countryside (only part of the course is covered in sheep shit) There will be players of all talent levels there, so don't worry if you have never played a tournament before. The format is 2 rounds of 18 on Saturday - arrive at 10.00 please. 18 holes Sunday am followed by 9 holes for 36 players and then a final 6 holes for the top 5. Cost is a max of 10 pounds with reductions of 2 pounds for unwaged, 1 pound for BDGA. This includes free soft drinks on both days and free sandwiches and snacks on Sunday. There will also be prizes for most Out of Bounds shots, best position achieved by tournament virgin (oo-err!), free replacement disc for first disc in the river Avon etc.. Contact me for further details. Del (STAN) *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*- Derek Robins | | D.J.Robins@admin.warwick.ac.uk Finance Office | | Tel 01203 522710 University of Warwick | | Fax 01203 524573 Coventry CV4 7AL | | Home 01926 864136 *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*- From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu May 22 12:31:43 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id MAA02919; Thu, 22 May 1997 12:04:40 +0100 (BST) Received: from amsta.leeds.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id MAA02913; Thu, 22 May 1997 12:04:33 +0100 (BST) Received: from newton.leeds.amsta (newton.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.64]) by amsta.leeds.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA03124 for ; Thu, 22 May 1997 11:32:42 +0100 (BST) Received: by newton.leeds.amsta (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA23218; Thu, 22 May 1997 11:34:04 +0100 Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 11:34:04 +0100 From: amtsjh@amsta.leeds.ac.uk (S J Hill) Message-Id: <199705221034.LAA23218@newton.leeds.amsta> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: CALL FOR TOURNAMENT HOSTS and a sting in the tail to keep you reading... X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk ** PLEASE READ THIS ** Its not thrilling... but if you don't act... who will? By the end of summer we should really have a good idea of when&where all the major tournaments for following season will happen. But first - we haven't even got everything for this season. Although they are no longer part of nationals we are still having REGIONAL CHAMPIONSHIPS. I have only heard one vague mention of a bid thus far. They are planned for late October. But exact date is flexible. Go on.... 1998 ---- OUTDOORS. Ultim-8 Tour. Tournaments will happen at roughly SIMILAR times to this year - but are NOT fixed to those dates. You need at least 8 pitches (and good ones). I can fill you in on other requirements if you are interested. ACT SOON. Full bids must be with me by 1 Sept (for discussion at Eastbourne). This looks pretty healthy - potential interest already from over 5 hosts/venues. Nationals. Again will happen late September. Again - want bid by 1 Sept 1997. Will need 10-12 pitches (prob. 12). INDOORS. Nationals. There is some question as to how this should be done. Obviously nobody wants to talk about indoors at this time of year - but the current system is very hard to run. Any ideas? Get in touch with me, Paul Meaney or Scott.. or just start shouting about it. ** Other EVENTS ** Student, Women and Junior Tournaments. We must try to coordinate when all these tourneys happen (indoors and outdoors) in relation to each other and the main Open events. If you are thinking of trying to host one of these events talk to the relevant coordinator and/or me please. And just to see HOW MANY people managed to wade to the bottom, I have a related question... last year there was a Women's Nationals at the same time as Open Nationals. I heard several 'complaints' that this discriminated against certain teams and the 'coed game'. I am interested to know more of what people feel about this question - (I have spoken to quite a few women players about it obviously). Putting my neck on the block: I believe that we should run Women's Nationals at the same time as Open Nationals.. AND that we should aim to have this situation propogating to other major tournaments over subsequent years. (And that the format of both tournaments should be sufficiently full that it would be essentially impossible to play in both. In theory there are enough women players for 8 teams.) And remember folks... THINK before you FLAME. Look forward to hearing bids and opinions Si ---- Simon Hill amtsjh@amsta.leeds.ac.uk 0113 289 0971 (h) 0113 233 5175 (w) 532D Whitehall Rd New Farnley LEEDS LS12 5HZ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu May 22 12:56:07 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id MAA06995; Thu, 22 May 1997 12:29:54 +0100 (BST) Received: from [137.205.222.1] by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id MAA06964; Thu, 22 May 1997 12:29:40 +0100 (BST) X-Sender: serai@mail.csv.warwick.ac.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199705221034.LAA23218@newton.leeds.amsta> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 12:31:41 +0100 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: Dave Neilson Subject: Re: CALL FOR TOURNAMENT HOSTS and a sting in the tail to keep you reading... Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Si wrote: >And just to see HOW MANY people managed to wade to the bottom, >I have a related question... > >last year there was a Women's Nationals at the same time as >Open Nationals. I heard several 'complaints' that this discriminated >against certain teams and the 'coed game'. >I am interested to know more of what people >feel about this question - (I have spoken to quite a few women players >about it obviously). > >Putting my neck on the block: >I believe that we should run Women's Nationals at the same time as Open >Nationals.. AND that we should aim to have this situation propogating >to other major tournaments over subsequent years. >(And that the format of both tournaments should be sufficiently >full that it would be essentially impossible to play in both. >In theory there are enough women players for 8 teams.) > >And remember folks... >THINK before you FLAME. > >Look forward to hearing bids and opinions > >Si I would suggest that the programme of regular events ought to add CO-ED tournaments into the equation, maybe establishing a CO-ED circuit and CO-ED NATIONALS which run parallel to the TWO DIVISION (OPEN & WOMEN) events, but obviously not clashing with them. Scott and the Leicester people have already established that there is great interest across the country for this type of event, both indoors and outdoors. Different types of players/teams may favour one or other of these 'circuits', but they could also pick and choose a mix of both types if the diary is properly organised. This type of planning is important as the player base continues to grow - giving more players more options! Sounds complicated, I know, but the level of planning that Si and his helpers are putting in should be able to cope with such complexity. Just my 2d worth. Senile Old Sam. PS Good reminder Si, hope people take up the challenge and get off their ARSEs! ============================ Still Aimlessly Meandering Still Thinking About Nothing SUNTANS Veteran From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu May 22 17:05:06 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id QAA19033; Thu, 22 May 1997 16:26:37 +0100 (BST) Received: from clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id QAA19023; Thu, 22 May 1997 16:26:31 +0100 (BST) Received: from newsgate.dircon.co.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id QAA08161; Thu, 22 May 1997 16:26:25 +0100 (BST) Received: from dmotive.UUCP (dmotive@localhost) by newsgate.dircon.co.uk (8.6.12/8.6.9) with UUCP id PAA01867 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Thu, 22 May 1997 15:09:21 +0100 Date: 22 May 97 13:51:53 +0000 From: Jonathan Schofield Subject: Ankle Braces To: BritDisc Message-ID: <970522.135153@designmotive.co.uk> X-Mailer: InterCall 1.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Dear All (and Rich from Chevron), Some weeks ago Rich from Chevron asked where I got my=20 ankle brace from, and I had to mail him to say I couldn't=20 remember the name of the company! I can now tell you Rich (and anyone else who may be interested)=20 that the company is SPORTSET, a volleyball specialist mail=20 order company in Bristol. Telephone 0117 9753533 Fax 0117 9753520 They sell a brace called the ACTIVE ANKLE which can be used=20 on either foot. A single brace sells for =A332 (plus P&P).=20 A pair (pity on you!) sells for =A359 (plus P&P).=20 The brace combines good support and protection with maximum=20 flexibility (mmm nice). I can recommend it, and so can=20 Simon Moore, Ollie Watson and Mark Perryman amongst others. (shame our sport is too small for paid endorsements!). My thanks to Simon for finding SPORTSET initially. Try not to become reliant on the brace like I have done=20 in my dotage. Jonathan Shotgun From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri May 23 19:41:07 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id TAA01185; Fri, 23 May 1997 19:24:46 +0100 (BST) Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id TAA01165; Fri, 23 May 1997 19:24:38 +0100 (BST) Received: from chevronaf.demon.co.uk ([194.222.81.132]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa0607106; 23 May 97 18:08 BST From: Rich Parkes To: BritDisc , Jonathan Schofield Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 19:09:15 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Ankle Braces Reply-to: rich@chevronaf.demon.co.uk X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.42a) Message-ID: <864407290.067106.0@chevronaf.demon.co.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Dear All (and Jonathan from Shotgun) I have purchased such a brace recently and gave it its first airing at the Mad Kows tournament last weekend. It is indeed very comfortable and allowed me to run around in my usual headless chicken fashion without any problems at all. Unfortunately the intervening period saw me enjoying the other things in life far too much and as a result I was absolutely knackered by the end of Sunday (or was that due to the partying on Saturday night????). I can heartily recommend it. See you all in Swindon..... Regards Rich Chevron (and Go Fish!) ===================================================== Rich Parkes | rich@chevronaf.demon.co.uk Chevron Action Flash | 01902-713895 ===================================================== From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri May 23 20:13:12 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id TAA03503; Fri, 23 May 1997 19:43:55 +0100 (BST) Received: from ritig1.rit.reuters.com by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id TAA03339; Fri, 23 May 1997 19:42:28 +0100 (BST) Received: from ritig6.rit.reuters.com by ritig1.rit.reuters.com; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/14Sep94-0947PM) id AA14845; Fri, 23 May 1997 14:40:45 -0400 Received: from RITIG4.rit.reuters.com (132.10.10.44) by ritig6.rit.reuters.com (Integralis SMTPRS 1.51) with SMTP id ; Fri, 23 May 1997 14:39:10 -0400 Received: from mr.rit.reuters.com by RITIG4.RIT.REUTERS.COM (PMDF V5.1-8 #7805) id <01IJ7NTKXYO00003I8@RITIG4.RIT.REUTERS.COM>; Fri, 23 May 1997 14:38:06 EDT Received: with PMDF-MR; Fri, 23 May 1997 19:41:03 +0000 (GMT) Mr-Received: by mta REC.MUAS; Relayed; Fri, 23 May 1997 19:41:03 +0000 Mr-Received: by mta RE6; Relayed; Fri, 23 May 1997 19:41:04 +0000 Mr-Received: by mta RITIG4; Relayed; Fri, 23 May 1997 19:37:58 +0000 Disclose-Recipients: prohibited Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 19:41:03 +0000 (GMT) From: Patrick Moore Subject: Can anybody put me in touch with Alex from Superfly....? To: Britdisc , Sam Message-Id: <8603411923051997/A69012/RE6/11B5BCE90200*@MHS> Autoforwarded: false Mime-Version: 1.0 Importance: normal Sensitivity: Company-Confidential Ua-Content-Id: 11B5BCE90200 X400-Mts-Identifier: [;8603411923051997/A69012/RE6] Hop-Count: 2 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Does anybody have a phone number or e-mail address for Alex from Superfly? I need to get in touch with him regarding getting some T-shirts printed. Thanks, Patrick -- patrick.moore@reuters.com 0171-542-5884 (W) 0181-654-8002 (H) === From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon May 26 08:04:59 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id HAA20726; Mon, 26 May 1997 07:48:15 +0100 (BST) Received: from crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id HAA20722; Mon, 26 May 1997 07:48:13 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 26 May 1997 07:48:11 +0100 (BST) From: Mr R C Doswell Message-Id: <4725.199705260648@crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Received: by crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk id HAA04725; Mon, 26 May 1997 07:48:11 +0100 (BST) To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: BUF Events Reminder Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk British Ultimate Federation Disc Events Diary --------------------------------------------- May 1997 -------- Saturday 31 May 1997 BUF Tour III (2 days) @ Swindon June 1997 --------- Saturday 7 June 1997 International Ultimate Frisbee Student Tournament (2 days) (Non-UK event) @ University of Karlsruhe, DE Red Co-ed Outdoors (2 days) @ Countesthorpe, Leicester Saturday 14 June 1997 Exeter Hat Tourny (2 days) @ Exter GB Women (squad only) practice (1 day) @ TBA Sunday 15 June 1997 GB Open Team practice + GB Women and open womens practice (1 day) @ TBA Saturday 21 June 1997 BUF Tour IV : Southampton Outdoors (2 days) @ Southampton July 1997 --------- Saturday 5 July 1997 BUF Tour V (2 days) @ Double Locks, Exeter Friday 11 July 1997 Warwick Bears 21st Reunion (3 days) TBC @ University of Warwick Saturday 12 July 1997 GB Women (squad only) practice (1 day) @ Warwick Sunday 13 July 1997 GB Open Team practice + GB Women and womens open practice (1 day) @ TBA (Warwick?) Sunday 27 July 1997 World Ultimate Club Championships (WUCC'97) (7 days) (Non-UK event) @ Vancouver, CA August 1997 ----------- Saturday 2 August 1997 LUCC (Lurkers Ultimate Club Championships!) (2 days) TBC @ *** CANCELLED *** Sunday 10 August 1997 GB Open Team practice + GB women and womens open practice (1 day) @ TBA Saturday 16 August 1997 Ross-on-Wye (2 days) TBC @ Ross-On-Wye! Saturday 23 August 1997 1997 BDGA Championships (2 days) (Non-Ultimate) TBC Sunday 24 August 1997 EFDF European Ultimate Championships (7 days) @ Millfield School, Street, Somerset, UK September 1997 -------------- Thursday 11 September 1997 British Open (4 days) Saturday 27 September 1997 BUF National Finals (outdoor) (2 days) @ Swindon (same as Tour III) October 1997 ------------ Saturday 25 October 1997 BUF Regional Championships (3 REGIONS) (2 days) @ ***TDs required*** (date is flexible) --------------------------------------------------------------- British Ultimate Federation Disc Events Diary http://www.csv.warwick.ac.uk:5201/cgi-bin/diary Ranulf Doswell, ralf@dcs.warwick.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon May 26 15:50:58 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id PAA22686; Mon, 26 May 1997 15:34:04 +0100 (BST) Received: from curlew.cs.man.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id PAA22681; Mon, 26 May 1997 15:33:58 +0100 (BST) Received: from fs4.eng.man.ac.uk by curlew.cs.man.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Mon, 26 May 1997 15:33:44 +0100 Received: from MAN-ENG-FS4/MAILQUEUE by fs4.eng.man.ac.uk (Mercury 1.21); 26 May 97 15:36:20 GMT Received: from MAILQUEUE by MAN-ENG-FS4 (Mercury 1.21); 26 May 97 15:35:57 GMT From: "I.T.Cuddihy" To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Mon, 26 May 1997 15:35:49 BST Subject: A little B.D. humour X-mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.22 Message-ID: Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Dear All, Seeing as it has been pretty quiet on britdisc for a while I thought I'd share this with you all. Someone sent it to me and I thought it might seem a little familiar to us mailing list users. Hope you enjoy, if not sorry to have wasted your time. Q: How many internet mail list subscribers does it take to change a light bulb? A: 1,331: 1 to change the light bulb and to post to the mail list that the light bulb has been changed 14 to share similar experiences of changing light bulbs and how the light bulb could have been changed differently. 7 to caution about the dangers of changing light bulbs. 27 to point out spelling/grammar errors in posts about changing light bulbs. 53 to flame the spell checkers 156 to write to the list administrator complaining about the light bulb discussion and its inappropriateness to this mail list. 41 to correct spelling in the spelling/grammar flames. 109 to post that this list is not about light bulbs and to please take this email exchange to alt.lite.bulb 203 to demand that cross posting to alt.grammar, alt.spelling and alt.punctuation about changing light bulbs be stopped. 111 to defend the posting to this list saying that we all use light bulbs and therefore the posts **are** relevant to this mail list. 306 to debate which method of changing light bulbs is superior, where to buy the best light bulbs, what brand of light bulbs work best for this technique, and what brands are faulty. 27 to post URLs where one can see examples of different light bulbs 14 to post that the URLs were posted incorrectly, and to post corrected URLs. 3 to post about links they found from the URLs that are relevant to this list which makes light bulbs relevant to this list. 33 to concatenate all posts to date, then quote them including all headers and footers, and then add "Me Too." 12 to post to the list that they are unsubscribing because they cannot handle the light bulb controversey. 19 to quote the "Me Too's" to say, "Me Three." 4 to suggest that posters request the light bulb FAQ. 1 to propose new alt.change.lite.bulb newsgroup. 47 to say this is just what alt.physic.cold_fusion was meant for, leave it here. 143 votes for alt.lite.bulb. Cheers from the North Ian Fingers 6 From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed May 28 19:31:37 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id TAA21264; Wed, 28 May 1997 19:18:12 +0100 (BST) Received: from [137.205.222.1] by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id OAA08870; Wed, 28 May 1997 14:44:41 +0100 (BST) X-Sender: serai@mail.csv.warwick.ac.uk Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 13:55:19 +0100 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: Dave Neilson Subject: Sports Council Appeal & Future Development Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk BDer's, Today I posted off a letter to the Chief Exceutive of the UK Sports Council appealing against the recent decision to NOT recognise Ultimate & Disc Sports. I have asked for two things: information about their appeals procedure; and a set of their current recognition criteria. On a closely related topic - Mark Jefferson of Warwick Bears will take on the (informal) role of BFDF Development Officer (Acting) as soon as his final examinations are over (about two weeks). This new BFDF post will be more formally agreed and filled as soon as the next Board Meeting and/or AGM has been held. I will be forwarding as much information as is relevant to Mark once he has recovered from any post-finals hang-over ;-), after which he will, no doubt, publicise the agreed plans of action towards development in general and recognition by the UK Sports Council in particular. If you have any ideas or comments then you may send them direct to myself and I will forward them to Mark once his exams are over. Finally a note of thanks to all those who expressed a willingness to take on the Development Officer role and I am sure that Mark will need their help and the assistance of many others to achieve any substantial successes. Cheers, Sam Neilson National Director of the BFDF. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed May 28 20:11:35 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id TAA27015; Wed, 28 May 1997 19:45:10 +0100 (BST) Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id PAA17705; Wed, 28 May 1997 15:40:28 +0100 (BST) Received: from venus.le.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id KAA15315; Wed, 28 May 1997 10:39:09 +0100 (BST) Received: from hawk.le.ac.uk by venus.le.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Wed, 28 May 1997 10:35:53 +0100 Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 10:35:51 +0100 (BST) From: Scott X-Sender: iws1@hawk To: britdisc Subject: RED Co-ed 7/8 June Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk RED Co-ed Outdoor Championship Wigston Rugby Club, Countesthorpe, Leicester 7/8th June 1997 Disc Playing Comrade, The Red Ultimate playing community would like to invite you to the=20 first ever co-ed outdoor tournament to be held in Britain. For those=20 that are lucky enough to fill the limited number of places available=20 you are in for a treat. Everything will be in one site including=20 camping, bar, party, food and Ultimate. This is also be possibly the=20 only tournament where you have the option of a team bath at the end of=20 a long days play!! The cost of entry is 60GBP and includes camping and=20 breakfast on both Friday and Saturday mornings. There are just 12=20 places up for grabs, so get your entries in quickly. Co-ed eligibility To be eligible for this tournament you must have a mixed sex team since=20 the principal of co-ed participation is that the number of women and=20 men playing on a team is as close to even as possible. The rule for=20 this tournament will be as follows: =B7 Each team shall have a minimum of two players of each sex on the=20 field at all times. Failure to do so will result in forfeit of the game. Ideally, this figure should be three, but I fear we may not be at a=20 stage where this is pragmatic. I will be happily proved wrong! How to Enter To ensure your place send me your team name and contact address along=20 with 30GBP deposit to the address below by first post Tuesday next week=20 (3rd June). If for some reason this is not possible 'cos the cheque=20 book holder has gone to Kathmandu for two weeks (or some other tenuous=20 reason) then email mail me and your excuse and entry will be considered. Hurry as its filling up fast... Scott /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ SCOTT: Ian Scotland Tel: 0116 2525824 Fax: 0116 2523154 E-mail: iws1@le.ac.uk http://wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk/buf/ /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu May 29 12:23:43 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id LAA04374; Thu, 29 May 1997 11:57:42 +0100 (BST) Received: from vulcan by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA04366; Thu, 29 May 1997 11:57:39 +0100 (BST) Received: from hawk.le.ac.uk by vulcan with SMTP (PP); Thu, 29 May 1997 11:52:21 +0100 Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 11:51:57 +0100 (BST) From: Scott X-Sender: iws1@hawk To: britdisc Subject: Re: RED Co-ed 7/8 June In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Erhem, As Stuart (Sneeeky's) pointed out.... > What is the address 'below'?! I forgot to add my address for entries to be sent to for the RED Co-ed on the 7/8th June. So for all those who can#'t to enter this major sporting event the address is as follows: 75 John Street Enderby Leicester LE9 5LF I will be at Swindon on Sunday (only) where you can also give me your entries and I should have the relevant information/directions sorted out by them to hand out. Seeya Scott /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ SCOTT: Ian Scotland Tel: 0116 2525824 Fax: 0116 2523154 E-mail: iws1@le.ac.uk http://wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk/buf/ /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu May 29 19:37:05 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id TAA07900; Thu, 29 May 1997 19:16:34 +0100 (BST) Received: from relay-1.mail.demon.net by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id TAA07837; Thu, 29 May 1997 19:16:22 +0100 (BST) Received: from phidelta.demon.co.uk ([158.152.248.177]) by relay-1.mail.demon.net id aa0102054; 29 May 97 18:58 BST Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 18:45:08 GMT From: Layout Dreams Reply-To: LayoutDreams@phidelta.demon.co.uk Message-Id: <6324@phidelta.demon.co.uk> To: Roger@kbw.co.uk, britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: RE: Ultim8 Tour III - Swindon X-Organisation: Layout Dreams X-WWW: http://www.phidelta.demon.co.uk/layoutdreams/ X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Lines: 33 Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hello all (and Roger) Roger's right to hassle - sorry I haven't updated the website yet, but the BUF Ultim8 Committee does the seedings and I haven't been told them yet There are reasons for this: a) maybe the message got lost, 'cos I haven't received it b) maybe the message didn't get sent (I don't want to start arguments here!) more realistically: a) they didn't go up earlier 'cos we wanted to ensure we had all entrants, etc and b) they're being adjusted because there's a team that may not make it... Apologies again, but it's one of those things that's being dealt with and will be published ASAP when we've sorted out the last minute hiccups! PS: to Dave/Si - how about a message to BritDisc with the seedings? Roger Thomson writes: > When are you going to put the seedings up? > > The web site says, and I cut and paste: "Please note that this page will > be updated as soon as possible after the Entrance Deadline for the > Tournament: 5 May 1997". > > Surely now we're less than 3 days away you guys know the stats! > > r _____________________________________________________________________________ Chris Hughes layoutDREAMS Wayne Retter +44/0-151-994-2629 LayoutDreams@phidelta.demon.co.uk +44/0-1737-242109 http://www.phidelta.demon.co.uk/layoutdreams/ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu May 29 19:38:27 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id TAA07897; Thu, 29 May 1997 19:16:33 +0100 (BST) Received: from relay-1.mail.demon.net by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id TAA07887; Thu, 29 May 1997 19:16:30 +0100 (BST) Received: from phidelta.demon.co.uk ([158.152.248.177]) by relay-1.mail.demon.net id ab0102054; 29 May 97 18:58 BST Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 18:52:48 GMT From: Layout Dreams Reply-To: LayoutDreams@phidelta.demon.co.uk Message-Id: <6325@phidelta.demon.co.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Email re: Swindon X-Organisation: Layout Dreams X-WWW: http://www.phidelta.demon.co.uk/layoutdreams/ X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Lines: 16 Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi all Please address any SWINDON TOUR III email questions on FRIDAY 30th MAY to: wayne_retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk as the LayoutDreams@.... address won't be read again before the tournament! Otherwise, contact Chris Hughes (phone) or Si Hill Cheers Wayne _____________________________________________________________________________ Chris Hughes layoutDREAMS Wayne Retter +44/0-151-994-2629 LayoutDreams@phidelta.demon.co.uk +44/0-1737-242109 http://www.phidelta.demon.co.uk/layoutdreams/ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu May 29 22:30:08 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id WAA04517; Thu, 29 May 1997 22:09:48 +0100 (BST) Received: from phidelta.demon.co.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id WAA04456; Thu, 29 May 1997 22:09:29 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 21:57:03 GMT From: LayoutDreams@phidelta.demon.co.uk (Layout Dreams) Reply-To: LayoutDreams@phidelta.demon.co.uk Message-Id: <6326@phidelta.demon.co.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Cc: a.orr-ewing@Bristol.ac.uk, alden.press@alden.co.uk, admrwm@cg.acu.man.ac.uk, roger@kbw.co.uk, dak12@cam.ac.uk, rccm@gn.apc.org, max@stures.demon.co.uk, lholden@cix.compulink.co.uk, amtsjh@amsta.leeds.ac.uk, deastman@uk.oracle.com, iws1@le.ac.uk, J.B.@phidelta.demon.co.uk Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Domingue@open.ac.uk, 100422.1474@compuserve.com, t.d.collins@open.ac.uk, k.l.bater@cant.ac.uk Subject: Tour III - Swindon: CampSite Directions X-Organisation: Layout Dreams X-WWW: http://www.phidelta.demon.co.uk/layoutdreams/ X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Lines: 37 Hello Again If you ain't coming to Swindon (why not?) there's no point reading any further! Camping is NOT allowed on the Allied Dunbar property. CAMPSITE is just across the road from the back entrance to the pitches (that'll mean something to people who were at Monkfest! but it's actually one field nearer the pub!) DIRECTIONS: follow the directions given to King Edwards Place BUT 1)DO NOT turn up the driveway (between the 2 white lodges) 2) Instead, follow the road to a STAGGERED CROSS ROADS Here there is also a (the?) Public House THE SHEPHERDS' REST 3) Turn LEFT at the crossroads 4) Follow the road for a couple of hundred yards (?) 5) The camping field is on the RIGHT - there will be a FLASHING ORANGE LIGHT (please leave it there!) by the entrance. We'll TRY to put up some signs, but no guarantees (sorry!) Just across the road there should be a five-bar gate. This is the back gate to King Edward's Place and the quickest way to walk to the pitches (and drive, if they unlock the gate as promised!) Wayne _____________________________________________________________________________ Chris Hughes layoutDREAMS Wayne Retter +44/0-151-994-2629 LayoutDreams@phidelta.demon.co.uk +44/0-1737-242109 http://www.phidelta.demon.co.uk/layoutdreams/ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri May 30 13:13:43 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id MAA14805; Fri, 30 May 1997 12:56:36 +0100 (BST) Received: from amsta.leeds.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id MAA14780; Fri, 30 May 1997 12:56:27 +0100 (BST) Received: from newton.leeds.amsta (newton.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.64]) by amsta.leeds.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA09508 for ; Fri, 30 May 1997 12:56:40 +0100 (BST) Received: by newton.leeds.amsta (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id MAA21781; Fri, 30 May 1997 12:56:46 +0100 Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 12:56:46 +0100 From: amtsjh@amsta.leeds.ac.uk (S J Hill) Message-Id: <199705301156.MAA21781@newton.leeds.amsta> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: SEEDINGS for Swindon X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi All Sorry - Dave and I got our wires crossed about this job. Nearly everyone is on at 9.30 so be there for capts. meeting. For teams likely to play in 5-12, 13-20 sections there is a new FORMAT - you could lose out if you don't understand it! OK. Here are the seedings. I have included scores so far. The numbers in brackets are ("seeding pts", ranking pts, hitchin, leicester). What are "seeding pts"? For a team that has missed tournaments we give a score for ONE missed event based on their other results. Hence Shotgun II who missed Hitchin get a "seeding score" of 320 based on 160 for Leicester and a fictitious 160 for Hitchin. (Before you scream foul - this isn't there to help shotgun - its there to help the student teams that can't possibly be expected to play this w/e but might otherwise find themselves in an (unfairly) adverse position at Soton. OK, enough waffle. Safe journey - see you in the final! Si 1. Gun II (320, 160, *, 160) 2. Gun I (300, 300, 160, 140) 3. Catch 22 (260, 260, 140, 120) 4. Druids (225, 225, 120, 105) 5. Stan (195, 195, 105, 90) 6. Oxford I (140, 140, 90, 50) 7. VH (135, 135, 60, 75) 8. Chevron (135, 135, 75, 60) (head-to-head level so use latest result) --- 9. 1st Touch (68, 68, 50, 18) 10. Red J (65, 65, 25, 40) 11. Strange B (65, 65, 40, 25) (split from Red as with VH and Chev) 12. Headrush (60, 60, 30, 30) 13. Village P (34, 34, 18, 16) 14. SLUT (28, 28, 8, 20) 15. Playthings (24, 12, 12, *) 16. Oxford II (12, 12, 6, 6) 17. BAF (9, 9, 5, 4) 18. NightFever (6, 3, *, 3) 19. GBW (4.75, 0, *, *) - used results from Bliss, Twin Peaks to guess 20. Mad Kows (0, 0, *, *) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Jun 2 10:52:54 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id KAA19016; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 10:34:25 +0100 (BST) Received: from clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id KAA19004; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 10:34:21 +0100 (BST) Received: from wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id XAA01988; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 23:32:08 +0100 (BST) Received: by wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk (UK-Smail 3.1.25.1/15) id ; Sun, 1 Jun 97 23:30 BST Message-Id: Date: Sun, 1 Jun 97 23:30 BST From: mackay@mrao.cam.ac.uk (David J.C. MacKay) To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: swindon results Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk And Chris spake, and he said: 1. shotgun II 2. Druids 3. Shotgun I 4. Catch 22 5. stan (plate) 6. chevron af 7. oxford 8. violently happy 9. first touch 10. headrush 11. red jesters 12. strange blue (spirit) 13. village people (spoon) 14. blue arse flies 15. gb women 16. slut 17. oxford 2 18. mad kows 19. exotica playthings 20. night fever ----- Thanks for a great tournie, Layout Dreams! David From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Jun 2 11:23:19 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id LAA28756; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 11:05:13 +0100 (BST) Received: from firewall2.Lehman.COM by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA28714; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 11:05:05 +0100 (BST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by firewall2.Lehman.COM (8.8.5/8.6.12) id GAA22728; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 06:04:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unknown(146.127.39.20) by firewall2 via smap (V1.3) id tmp022722; Mon Jun 2 06:04:28 1997 Received: from london123.lehman.com by relay.lehman.com (4.1/LB-0.6) id AA21118; Mon, 2 Jun 97 06:04:23 EDT Received: from london123 (localhost) by london123.lehman.com (4.1/Lehman Bros. V1.6) id AA25881; Mon, 2 Jun 97 11:04:16 BST Message-Id: <33929A9F.586EAEC@lehman.com> Date: Mon, 02 Jun 1997 11:04:15 +0100 From: Aram Flores Organization: Lehman Brothers, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (X11; I; SunOS 4.1.3 sun4m) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: "David J.C. MacKay" Cc: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Re: swindon results References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Not to be picky BUT: 1. Shotgun I (Vancouver Bound) 2. Druids 3. Shotgun II (Gun old boys w/added D) David J.C. MacKay wrote: > > And Chris spake, and he said: > > 1. shotgun II > 2. Druids > 3. Shotgun I > 4. Catch 22 > 5. stan (plate) > 6. chevron af > 7. oxford > 8. violently happy > 9. first touch > 10. headrush > 11. red jesters > 12. strange blue (spirit) > 13. village people (spoon) > 14. blue arse flies > 15. gb women > 16. slut > 17. oxford 2 > 18. mad kows > 19. exotica playthings > 20. night fever > > ----- > > Thanks for a great tournie, Layout Dreams! > > David From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Jun 2 13:13:17 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id MAA02724; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 12:57:06 +0100 (BST) From: laurab@ehs.co.uk Received: from newsgate.dircon.co.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id MAA02676; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 12:56:55 +0100 (BST) Received: from ehs.co.uk (ehs@localhost) by newsgate.dircon.co.uk (8.6.12/8.6.9) with UUCP id MAA27581; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 12:30:42 +0100 Message-Id: <199706021130.MAA27581@newsgate.dircon.co.uk> Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 12:25:40 +0100 To: "David J.C. MacKay" , aflores@lehman.com Cc: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Re: swindon results MIME-version: 1.0 (Created by TFS) Content-Type: text/plain ; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: TFS Gateway V210U0822M Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk And thus David was corrected... and the sun did shine, and the wind did blow, and discs did fly and swill=20 about There was much dancing and great fun was had by all except those who had to= =20 wait 3 hours for food at the local hostelry! ---------- From: aflores@lehman.com To: "David J.C. MacKay" > Not to be picky BUT: 1. Shotgun I (Vancouver Bound) 2. Druids 3. Shotgun II (Gun old boys w/added D) David J.C. MacKay wrote: > > And Chris spake, and he said: > > 1. shotgun II > 2. Druids > 3. Shotgun I > 4. Catch 22 > 5. stan (plate) > 6. chevron af > 7. oxford > 8. violently happy > 9. first touch > 10. headrush > 11. red jesters > 12. strange blue (spirit) > 13. village people (spoon) > 14. blue arse flies > 15. gb women > 16. slut > 17. oxford 2 > 18. mad kows > 19. exotica playthings > 20. night fever > > ----- > > Thanks for a great tournie, Layout Dreams! > > David From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Jun 2 13:30:50 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id NAA06018; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 13:13:27 +0100 (BST) Received: from exub.ex.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id NAA06014; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 13:13:25 +0100 (BST) Received: from cen.ex.ac.uk [144.173.6.1] by exub via ESMTP (NAA13726); Mon, 2 Jun 1997 13:13:21 +0100 Received: from ls017 [144.173.95.17] by cen via SMTP (NAA06100); Mon, 2 Jun 1997 13:13:17 +0100 Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 13:15:44 BST From: LAURA Subject: Exeter Hat To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk For all you guys that are waiting with baited breath about the Hat tourny on 14th/15th of June (well those of you who haven't suffocated yet anyway) and who haven't recieved a formal invitation, the sorting of teams will be from 9:00 am on Saturday 14th, with play to start at 10:00 sharp. If you haven't had a chance to reply, don't worry, just come along. There's camping at the double locks pub on Fri and Saturday night, but theres' a huge end of exams celebration on Fri 13th at the Ram bar on campus if any of you want to come along. I'm hoping that most of Uriel will be there, but if its too much of a hassle, the Double Locks pub is just as good. Cost is still 5 pounds per head and we're trying to persuade the weather to stay as gorgeous as it has been recently. See you then. Nicki, Uriel. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Jun 2 15:48:36 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id PAA26760; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 15:30:01 +0100 (BST) Received: from venus.le.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id PAA26742; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 15:29:33 +0100 (BST) Received: from hawk.le.ac.uk by venus.le.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Mon, 2 Jun 1997 15:26:26 +0100 Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 15:25:57 +0100 (BST) From: Scott X-Sender: iws1@hawk To: britdisc Subject: RED Co-ed this weekend Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk The Red Co-ed this weekend will be attended by the following teams; 1. Stanley Peaks 2. PULP 3. Ow! 4. Mud Culture 5. SFA 6. Red Jesters 7. Dynamo Hampsters (TBC) 8. Superfly (TBC) 9. The Unacceptable face of Ultimate 10. Jesters Red (TBC) So there's still space for a couple more if you're quick. Maps will go in the post tonight with directions. Camping is available on Friday night for anyone who wants to arrive early. A web page with directions will be up tommorrow as soon as I can scan a map in. Scott /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ SCOTT: Ian Scotland Tel: 0116 2525824 Fax: 0116 2523154 E-mail: iws1@le.ac.uk http://wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk/buf/ /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Jun 3 11:46:45 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id LAA06287; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 11:13:14 +0100 (BST) From: dmurray@soton.ac.uk Received: from beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA06264; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 11:12:45 +0100 (BST) Received: from ash.sucs.soton.ac.uk (ash.sucs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.128.88]) by beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.5/server) with ESMTP id LAA16593 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 11:12:39 +0100 (BST) Received: (from dmurray@localhost) by ash.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.5/client) id LAA04940 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 11:12:37 +0100 (BST) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 11:12:37 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199706031012.LAA04940@ash.sucs.soton.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: swindon results + rankings Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-MD5: jNb8Cyzx9MwxM40CAkoLNg== Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Ok everyone, hopefully this is right this time first off but feel free to mail me if you think anything is wrong results from swindon 1 Shotgun 1 160 2 Druids 140 3 Shotgun 2 120 4 Catch 22 105 5 STAN 90 6 Chevron 75 7 Oxford I 60 8 V. Happy 50 9 First Touch 40 10 Headrush 30 11 Red/jesters 25 12 Strange Blue 20 13 Village 18 14 BAF 16 15 GB women 14 16 SLUT 12 17 Oxford II 10 18 Mad Kows 8 19 Playthings 6 20 Night fever 5 so after 3 tour events the overall rankings are as follows 1 Shotgun 1 460 2 Catch 22 365 3 Druids 365 4 STAN 285 5 Shotgun 2 280 6 Chevron 210 7 oxford I 200 8 Violently happy 185 9 First Touch 108 10 Headrush 90 11 Red/Jesters 90 12 Strange Blue 85 13 Village People 52 14 SLUT 40 15 Squawks 34 16 Floating bloke 28 17 BAF 25 18 Sneeekies 24 19 Oxford 2 22 20 PLaythings 18 21 GB women 14 22 JEDI 12 23 Juniors 8 24 Mad kows 8 25 Night fever 8 26 Uriel 5 27 Bliss 4.5 28 Hurricane 3 29 superfly 2 30 twin peaks 1 31 Red 2 0.25 NOTE: head to head finishes are decided over several criteria the first being the head to head finishing positions over the tour. ie druids Catch 22 hitchin 3 2 leicester 4 3 swindon 2 4 therefore on head to head finishing catch win 2:1 so get the higher position. any questions or queries please let me know From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Jun 3 12:00:30 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id LAA06917; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 11:16:23 +0100 (BST) Received: from stone.dcs.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA06909; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 11:16:20 +0100 (BST) From: DTulchin@aol.com Received: from emout16.mail.aol.com by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id SAA25966; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 18:42:45 +0100 (BST) Received: (from root@localhost) by emout16.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id MAA18467; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 12:58:37 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 12:58:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970602125458_1889909071@emout16.mail.aol.com> Subject: Fwd: 1997 UPA Experimental COED Series Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk spread the good coed ultimate word --------------------- Forwarded message: From: coedisc@speakeasy.org (Coedisc) To: upa_coed_list@upa.org (UPA Coed List) CC: lynnenolan@aol.com (Lynne Nolan), mikecola1@aol.com (Mike Cola), byrneupa@aol.com (Bob Byrne), troy@u.washington.edu (Troy Frever) Date: 97-06-01 22:46:58 EDT At last... the details you've been waiting for! FIRST UPA NORTH AMERICAN EXPERIMENTAL COED SERIES Here's how the Experimental Coed Series works: But wait... before you read any further... Remove any thoughts of this being a normal championship from your mind. Any Canadian or American local Ultimate group with a great idea for an alternative tournament can host an EXPERIMENTAL COED PRELIMINARY TOURNAMENT (COED PRELIM). The quick version: Coed Prelims can start NOW. Tourney organizers MUST register prelims with the Coed Director (Joey) as worthy experiments. But you DON'T have to sanction your prelim with the UPA. The final CELEBRATION will be LABOUR DAY in Chicago. At least one team per prelim will represent each experiment at the UPA COED CELEBRATION. Time for some coed craziness!! The Nitty Gritty: Thanks to Lynne Nolan and her amazing crew in Chicago, we now have details on the final tourney for the coed series! The first ever UPA final "COED CELEBRATION" will be held in Chicago (Naperville) on Labor/Labour Day weekend... that's Aug 30-Sept 1. It's the week before Tune-Up at the same awesome polo field, and is combined with the town festival, a fun run for literacy and more... COED PRELIM TOURNAMENTS - HOW TO HOST ONE? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Coed prelims can be held anywhere in the U.S. and Canada - your local group is welcome to put together an experimental tournament. At least one "ambassador team" from each prelim will be invited to play in Chicago over Labor/our Day weekend. Coed prelims can happen any time, anywhere, from now until late July or early August, on a first come, first served basis (the earlier the better so invited teams can make plans for flights, etc). There is no way to know how many coed prelims will happen at this point, and no way to know if we will have to limit number of prelims (a GUESS right now is that we will be able to accomodate up to ABOUT 30 prelims). The UPA coed web page will be the best place to check for updates: http://www.upa.org/coed Coed prelims will mostly be weekend tournaments, but heck, you may even want to try a mini weeknight prelim or anything else as long as the event's experimental theme is clear to all involved and approved by the coed committee. Please write Joey to work out any details. WHAT IS A COED PRELIM? WHAT DO YOU MEAN EXPERIMENT?? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The point of this series is to promote coed play and push the limits of Ultimate. Lets see what will happen when we actually TRY some of those crazy party ideas... Each coed prelim needs ONE unique experiment* (examples at the bottom) for: Gender Spirit of the Game Community Service Other Prelims must be COED. "COED" means at least three of both genders playing at all times (4:3). Exceptions may be made to accomodate gender experiments or for areas severely deficient in coed play (5:2 may be ok, just get it approved through Joey). Play at the final will be 4:3/3:4, so all "ambassador teams" need to be prepared to play 4:3 at the Coed Celebration. UPA sanctioning is encouraged for prelims, but NOT required this year. We want to make the coed series as easy on players and organizers as possible - more fun, less bureaucracy! However, the UPA provides an amazing, yet mostly intangible service that coed players need to support and become a part of. The final celebration in Chicago WILL be sanctioned, so all players there need to join the UPA for $25/yr or pay the one-time $10/event fee. CREATING A COED PRELIM: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Each prelim needs to be registered reasonably IN ADVANCE (your experiment needs to be approved by the coed committee to become part of the series). Don't worry, it isn't that big of a deal, just write in with your idea. We want to be flexible, but please don't call on a Thursday expecting to get your tournament approved for that weekend. The more notice you give, the better. A list of approved prelims (when, where, etc) will be kept updated on the Coed Series homepage. I will also try to get them listed on Eric Simon's upcoming tournaments list. A goal of the series is to encourage NEW coed tournaments. However, you can always apply for an existing tournament to become a prelim, as long as you create a worthwhile experiment. FINAL COED CELEBRATION - HOW TO BE INVITED TO CHICAGO? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Each prelim picks a list of teams recommended as "ambassadors" for the final Coed Celebration. At least one team from each prelim will get a spot at the final. Each prelim organizer can pick 2-5 alternates as well. Please make sure each team on your list can actually make it if picked. We would like to get as many teams to the final as possible. At this time there are at least 30 team spots for play in Chicago. Alternates will be chosen by the coed committee based on things we can't know now, like: - Total number of prelims (if there are 10 prelims, more teams per prelim will play in Chicago. if there are 30 prelims, fewer teams per prelim will play in Chicago.) - Number of prelims per area (example: if there were 4 Oregon prelims and only one Georgia prelim, Georgia alternates may be chosen before Oregon alternates) - Other positive factors for alternate teams include: - UPA membership - if the prelim was a new tournament - quality of the prelim's experiment - There will also be a small number of "hat" teams for interested prelim organizers. Details will be sent once your prelim is approved. Prelim organizers please get your Top-5 list of "ambassador teams" to Joey as soon after your prelim as possible (like call or e-mail the next day 206-286-1106 or upa_coed_dir@upa.org). THE REST: ~~~~~~~~~ Oh, I'm sure there will be more to say - if you have questions or suggestions, speak up! This is the first time anyone has done anything like this - so let's push some boundaries and see what evolves... Send your prelim ideas to: Joey Gray at upa_coed_dir@upa.org or call 206-286-1106 * SOME EXAMPLES OF COED PRELIM IDEAS: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Remember, each prelim only needs ONE experiment. Be clear about it and do not try too many things at once. Here are some of the ideas that came up as the series was invented. They are listed just to get you started. Your experiment needs to be approved by the coed committee before confirming your tournament as part of the series. Go ahead! Think up something that's never been done before and see what happens... Some possible GENDER Experiments: - all scores Female -> Male, or Male -> Female throws - start each game with all of one gender, then each point change one, so that after 7 points, the gender balance has completely switched 7:0 -> 6:1 -> 5:2 -> 4:3 -> 3:4 -> 2:5 -> 1:6 -> 0:7 - Count mixed gender passes per game - the most integrated teams get extra points (percentage of mixed throws vs. total throws) Some possible SPIRIT OF THE GAME Experiments: - incorporate points for various spirit-related activities (whatever you want to experiment with), i.e. extra points for great plays, teams that get voted on by others, cheers, great sportsmanship, whatever. Keep it simple - just pick one spirit experiment and be CLEAR about it. - Combine spirit points with score points - No call tourney, or teams involved in least calls get extra points - Experiment with any way to quantify or reward spirit of the game is it possible? Just try and see... Some COMMUNITY SERVICE Tournament Ideas: - Volunteer hours associated with tournament - Donations raised per team combined with score & win/loss record - Clothing or Food Drive - No garbage tournament - Combine tournament with clinic for "at risk" kids Some OTHER Prelim Possibilities: - age experiment, juniors and masters, parents, college - any combination of savage-whatever - 7s, 8s, 10... - hat tournament - trade players after each game (a la Vancouver's Love-In) - prelim with refs (anything goes for the sake of an experiment!) - rules variations - incorporate winning the party As you can see, every prelim will select teams for the final Coed Celebration based on very different criteria, beyond just playing/scoring points/winning games. The point of this year's coed series is to learn from everyone's experiments, spread energy for coed Ultimate to areas where it isn't strong yet, and create a niche within the UPA for players who not only like competition, but all the crazy, less straightforward elements of Ultimate as well. As you can guess, this series is for those who like some spontinaiety and uncertainty in their lives. If you need a lot of structure or know you or a teammate might freak if things like seeding, etc, are not obvious, then this is not the best place for you to play. But if you love playing for playing's sake, want to join coed players from around North America to celebrate Ultimate and Ultimate Spirit, and you have a new idea you want to try, you're in the right place. This entire series is one huge experiment, so put yourself in a petri dish and see what happens! Joey Gray UPA Coed Director upa_coed_dir@upa.org http://www.upa.org/coed THANKS! ~~~~~~~~ Thanks especially to the coed committee and coed discussion list for working hard all winter to invent this series. Thanks to UPA board members Troy Frever and Eric Simon for their encouragement and wisdom, and thanks to Lynne Nolan and her Chicago crew for stepping up to host the first Coed Celebration in a very big way! From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Jun 3 16:55:00 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id QAA17535; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 16:15:08 +0100 (BST) Received: from vulcan by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id QAA17522; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 16:15:04 +0100 (BST) Received: from hawk.le.ac.uk by vulcan with SMTP (PP); Tue, 3 Jun 1997 15:53:15 +0100 Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 15:53:10 +0100 (BST) From: Scott X-Sender: iws1@hawk To: britdisc Subject: RED Coed Tournament this weekend details Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk RED Co-ed Outdoor Championship Wigston Rugby Club, Countesthorpe, Leicester 7/8th June 1997 **** Still room for a couple of teams ***** The following is from the web page at: http://www.webleicester.co.uk/customer/scott/coed.htm a map will be up there shortly! ******************************************** Congratulations if you got a team together for the first ever Co-ed=20 outdoor tournament in Great Britain. So far ten teams will be competing=20 in this event which should be as much fun as it is competitive. The=20 teams are as follows in no particular order; Stanley Peaks=20 Pulp=20 Ow!=20 Mud Culture=20 SFA=20 The Unacceptable Face of Ultimate=20 Red Jesters=20 Alien Nation=20 Superfly=20 Sneeeky's=20 Play will commence on Saturday at 11.00am after a captains meeting=20 scheduled for 10.30am. There will be programmes available at the=20 meeting, or from the club house if you don't make the captains meeting. Directions FROM THE M1/M69 - (North, South or West)=20 Leave the M1 at Junction 21 (also the end of the M69). Take the A5460=20 towards Leicester at roundabout. Go about 10yrds along this road (yes=20 10 yrds!) then take the left slip lane towards the A563. At the next=20 roundabout you will join the A563 by turning left (there is a slip lane=20 which takes you left avoiding the round-about). Stay on the A563 (2-3=20 miles) until you meet a roundabout for the B5366 towards "South=20 Wigston", then take that road. Continue along the B5366 until it=20 appears to end at a roundabout next to an petrol station garage then=20 turn left. Take the first right (by a bicycle shop). Stay on this road=20 for about 2 miles out into the country-side then look-out for the signs=20 to the Ultimate Tournament. The entrance to the Rugby club is easy to=20 miss so look out for a row of 3-4 houses on the right then slow down,=20 the entrance to the club is around 100yrds further in the left. If you=20 arrive in Countesthorpe you have gone too far, so turn round and head=20 back. =20 FROM THE A50 - (East)=20 From=20the A50 take a left to Countesthorpe where signposted. Stay on=20 this road until it ends at a T-junction and turn right towards South=20 Wigston. The South Wigston Rugby club is on your right about 200yrds=20 along this road, just before a row of 3-4 houses.=20 Arriving If you wish to arrive on Friday Night you are quite welcome too.=20 Accommodation is camping on site right next to the bar. On the Friday=20 night there is a "do" on in the Rugby Club which you are welcome to=20 attend or alternatively you can attend one of the local (walking=20 distance) pubs in Countesthorpe for a more quiet relaxed atmosphere.=20 The changing rooms will be open all night on Friday and Saturday, and a=20 light breakfast available on Saturday and Sunday mornings. There will be someone around on the Friday night to greet any arrivals=20 from about 8.30pm until 11.00pm. If you arrive outside this time just=20 set up camp and see to yourselves. Food Breakfast will be available on both mornings, but please BRING A BOWL,=20 PLATE, CUP and CUTLERY. The Rugby Club will be selling sandwiches and=20 snacks all day and is laying on a BBQ at =A35 a head on the Saturday=20 night including a selection of vegetarian options. Please buy lots of=20 beer so that they invite us back again! Co-ed eligibility Each team shall have a minimum of two players of each sex on=20 the field at all times. Failure to do so=20 will result in forfeit of the game. Scott /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ SCOTT: Ian Scotland Tel: 0116 2525824 Fax: 0116 2523154 E-mail: iws1@le.ac.uk http://wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk/buf/ /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Jun 4 17:30:35 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id RAA11542; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 17:15:27 +0100 (BST) Received: from vulcan by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id RAA11531; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 17:15:24 +0100 (BST) Received: from hawk.le.ac.uk by vulcan with SMTP (PP); Wed, 4 Jun 1997 17:09:11 +0100 Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 17:09:10 +0100 (BST) From: Scott X-Sender: iws1@hawk To: britdisc Subject: Re: RED Coed Tournament this weekend details In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk > RED Co-ed Outdoor Championship > Wigston Rugby Club, Countesthorpe, Leicester > 7/8th June 1997 > > **** Still room for a couple of teams ***** > > The following is from the web page at: > > http://www.webleicester.co.uk/customer/scott/coed.htm > > a map will be up there shortly! It's Here!! http://www.webleicester.co.uk/customer/scott/coedmap.gif Seeya Scott /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ SCOTT: Ian Scotland Tel: 0116 2525824 Fax: 0116 2523154 E-mail: iws1@le.ac.uk http://wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk/buf/ /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Jun 5 10:05:51 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id JAA20138; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 09:51:57 +0100 (BST) Received: from beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id JAA20128; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 09:51:53 +0100 (BST) Received: from mahogany.sucs.soton.ac.uk (mahogany.sucs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.129.139]) by beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.5/server) with ESMTP id JAA14210 for ; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 09:51:52 +0100 (BST) Received: (from ajk194@localhost) by mahogany.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.5/client) id JAA21063 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 09:47:31 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199706050847.JAA21063@mahogany.sucs.soton.ac.uk> Subject: southampton tour 4 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk (British Disc Mailing List) Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 09:47:31 +0100 (BST) From: "Fergal" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi people, Invites are enveloped and ready to go. I will be using the current addresses as indicated in the BUF web site, as for a lot of teams I have nothing better. If this address is wrong let me know now not in 2 weeks when you haven't recieved anything. I am quite prepared to send out multiple copies if necessary. Cheers Andy (gygna) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Jun 5 13:08:16 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id MAA20455; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 12:45:50 +0100 (BST) Received: from amsta.leeds.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id MAA20448; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 12:45:46 +0100 (BST) Received: from newton.leeds.amsta (newton.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.64]) by amsta.leeds.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA25607 for ; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 12:46:00 +0100 (BST) Received: by newton.leeds.amsta (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id MAA14466; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 12:46:11 +0100 Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 12:46:11 +0100 From: amtsjh@amsta.leeds.ac.uk (S J Hill) Message-Id: <199706051146.MAA14466@newton.leeds.amsta> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: SOUTHAMPTON TOUR IV X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Team information re-Southampton Outdoors: Ultim-8 tour IV --------------------------------------------------------- Southampton have agreed to take extra teams. So we now have space for up to 28 teams. Given that it is possible to run a decent schedule on 8 pitches for either 24, 26, 28 teams (at this time of year) this means that there is A SPARE SLOT. The teams that have entered are listed below and will receive info from Andy (as well as request for money) any day now. Note that there are currently 27 teams: this means that Phat'Eds are unable to get in, unless 1. another team enters 2. somebody else pulls out (NB - please note that a team can pull out any time up to a fortnight before the event without penalty. If you pull out after Monday 9th you will 1. lose your deposit 2. get dropped to the bottom of the list for Exeter) PLEASE IF YOU THINK YOU MAY BE GOING TO CANCEL LET US KNOW EARLY. IF NOTHING ELSE YOU ARE MAKING IT DIFFICULT FOR PLAYERS IN PHAT'EDS TO MAKE PLANS. If you want to enter, send the 12GBP deposit to Dora Kemp as usual. Teams will be taken in order in which they send their money. Dora Kemp McDonald Institute for Archaeological Research Downing Street, Cambridge, England, CB2 3ER TEAMS (not in seeding order - will send this out nearer the time - hopefully together with schedule) 1. Gun I 2. Catch 3. Druids 4. Gun II 5. Stan 6. Chevron 7. Oxford I 8. VH 9. First Touch 10. Headrush 11. Red Jesters 12. Strange Blue 13. Village 14. SLUT 15. Squawks (hosts) 16. Floating Bloke 17. BAF 18. Sneeeky's 19. Oxford II 20. Skunks 21. Jedi 22. Uriel 23. GB Women 24. Mythago 25. GB Juniors 26. Nightfever ---- 27. Phat'Eds This tournament will have all the usual tour stuff: including ON-SITE PARAMEDIC ON-SITE MASSAGE and a big cricket score board which looks really cool if you change all the numbers to 22. Cheers Si see you at the Coed?! From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Jun 6 10:09:53 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id JAA01335; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 09:51:06 +0100 (BST) Received: from mail.rmplc.net by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id JAA01318; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 09:50:55 +0100 (BST) Received: from acotgreave.rmplc.net ([172.16.27.34]) by mail.rmplc.net (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA19600 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 09:50:54 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199706060850.JAA19600@mail.rmplc.net> From: "Andy Cotgreave" To: "Britdisc" Subject: Rules Question Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 09:41:48 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi All, A query on the rules: Can you decline a travel? ie if I am on defense, I call a travel as the disc is thrown, but it is thrown away - can I decline it? Thanks, Andy Chevron ====================== acotgreave@rmplc.net From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Jun 6 11:21:21 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id LAA08678; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 11:03:15 +0100 (BST) Received: from orange.easynet.co.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA08669; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 11:03:06 +0100 (BST) Received: from easynet.co.uk (kiwi.easynet.co.uk [193.131.248.4]) by orange.easynet.co.uk (8.7.6/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA19406 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 11:10:03 +0100 (BST) Received: (qmail 1053 invoked from network); 6 Jun 1997 10:04:13 -0000 Received: from larry.texcel.co.uk (HELO texcel.no) (195.40.103.11) by kiwi.easynet.co.uk with SMTP; 6 Jun 1997 10:04:13 -0000 Received: from andrea by texcel.no (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA16752; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 11:01:47 +0100 Received: from konishi by andrea (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA12204; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 10:58:55 +0100 Message-ID: <3397DF5E.6C78@dreamer.demon.co.uk> Date: Fri, 06 Jun 1997 10:58:54 +0100 From: Neil Travers Organization: Home(ish) X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (X11; I; SunOS 5.5 sun4m) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andy Cotgreave CC: Britdisc Subject: Re: Rules Question References: <199706060850.JAA19600@mail.rmplc.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Andy said: > Can you decline a travel? ie if I am on defense, I call a travel as > the disc is thrown, but it is thrown away - can I decline it? Yes, it is automatically declined if the call is made during or after the pass. Here are the relevant extracts from the rules (http://wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk/buf/wfdf/96rulult.htm#404.16). 404.16 Violations: C. Traveling: Any journey by a player while in possession of the disc which is in violation of these rules constitutes a travel and is not permitted. 1.At all times a thrower must keep all or part of the pivot foot in contact with the single point on the field established as the pivot point. Whenever the thrower loses contact with that point, he has traveled. 404.17 Stoppage of Play: B. Play Continuation Rule: 1.If a foul, violation or pick is called while the disc is in the air, play continues until possession of the disc is gained. 2.If the team who would receive the benefit of the call gains possession as a result of a pass committed prior or during the time the call was made, play shall continue unhalted. It is the responsibility of the player who made the call to call out, "Play on," to indicate that this rule has been invoked. -- Neil Travers - work Neil Travers - home Fluid Druids, UK http://www.dreamer.demon.co.uk/ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Jun 6 11:32:58 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id LAA10189; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 11:17:33 +0100 (BST) Received: from iraun1.ira.uka.de by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id LAA10182; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 11:17:30 +0100 (BST) Received: from [129.13.2.181] (actually i02mac181.ira.uka.de) by iraun1 with SMTP (PP); Fri, 6 Jun 1997 12:17:25 +0200 X-Sender: griesbaum@i02mac198.ira.uka.de Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3397DF5E.6C78@dreamer.demon.co.uk> References: <199706060850.JAA19600@mail.rmplc.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 12:17:31 +0100 To: Britdisc From: Thomas Griesbaum Subject: Re: Rules Question Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Neil Travers wrote: >Andy said: >> Can you decline a travel? ie if I am on defense, I call a travel as >> the disc is thrown, but it is thrown away - can I decline it? > >Yes, it is automatically declined if the call is made during or after ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >the pass. > >Here are the relevant extracts from the rules >(http://wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk/buf/wfdf/96rulult.htm#404.16). > [stuff deleted] >It is the responsibility of the >player who made the call to call out, "Play on," to indicate that this >rule has been invoked. So, to me it seems it is necessary to call "Play on", i.e. the travel call is not "automatically" declined. Thomas From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Jun 6 14:23:32 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id OAA02210; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 14:04:44 +0100 (BST) Received: from violet.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id OAA02203; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 14:04:42 +0100 (BST) Received: from admin.warwick.ac.uk by violet.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id OAA22373; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 14:04:36 +0100 (BST) Received: from SIGMA/MERCURY by admin.warwick.ac.uk (Mercury 1.21); 6 Jun 97 14:05:52 +0000 Received: from MERCURY by SIGMA (Mercury 1.21); 6 Jun 97 14:05:40 +0000 From: "DEREK ROBINS" Organization: University of Warwick, CV4 7AL, UK To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 14:05:37 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Warwick Bears Reunion - imminent cancellation X-mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.1 (R1a) Message-ID: <5774CA722F2@admin.warwick.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk It was planned to have a Bears reunion celebrating our 21st year as a club. The date was fixed for July 12/13th. Unfortunately it seems that the event will have to be cancelled or at least deferred. Work commitments and other priorities have meant that insufficient groundwork has been done to contact and enthuse Old Bears, and the support so far has been negligible. I think that cancellation is the only realistic option. Apologies to Si Hill and any tournament organisers who have kept that weekend available for a Warwick Bears reunion. If there are any old or current Bears out there who think it is worth celebrating the 21st anniversary of the oldest Ultimate club in the country perhaps they could make themselves known. Del Warwick Bear (1979-82) *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*- Derek Robins | | D.J.Robins@admin.warwick.ac.uk Finance Office | | Tel 01203 522710 University of Warwick | | Fax 01203 524573 Coventry CV4 7AL | | Home 01926 864136 *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*- From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Jun 6 15:03:01 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id OAA08018; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 14:48:48 +0100 (BST) Received: from venus.le.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id OAA08008; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 14:48:43 +0100 (BST) Received: from rose.le.ac.uk by venus.le.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Fri, 6 Jun 1997 14:41:47 +0100 Received: from ROSE/SpoolDir by rose.le.ac.uk (Mercury 1.21); 6 Jun 97 14:41:48 +0100 (BST) Received: from SpoolDir by ROSE (Mercury 1.30); 6 Jun 97 14:41:35 +0100 (BST) From: "M.J. Ashton" To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 14:41:28 +0100 (BST) Subject: JESTERS X-mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.31 Message-ID: <4F6DE0296B@rose.le.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Can any mail concering jesters, as well as Ultimatium copies be sent to this address in future....Cheers Mark Ashton 26 Tintern ave, Shore, Littleborough, Lancs, OL15 9HY From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sat Jun 7 11:42:09 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id LAA23919; Sat, 7 Jun 1997 11:23:36 +0100 (BST) Received: from arl-img-4.compuserve.com by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id LAA23908; Sat, 7 Jun 1997 11:23:26 +0100 (BST) Received: by arl-img-4.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id GAA19679; Sat, 7 Jun 1997 06:22:45 -0400 Date: Sat, 7 Jun 1997 06:22:12 -0400 From: Jim McDonnell Subject: Looking for a Scotsman (or woman)... To: Britdisc Message-ID: <199706070622_MC2-1807-C98F@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi all - = if you're one of the Scottish players intending to go to the utterly AMAZING Notre Dame de Monts tournament in France this summer, can you get= in touch with Charlie Ben-Nathan (or Jim) as soon as possible on 0181 444= 8695, as we need to pass on your team details to Bruno the Organiseur ASA= P. Charlie's email - chuckaway@aol.com. He's not smart enough to be able to work Britdisc yet, it seems. Thanks - Jim From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sat Jun 7 14:27:32 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id OAA01163; Sat, 7 Jun 1997 14:14:27 +0100 (BST) Received: from curlew.cs.man.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id OAA01157; Sat, 7 Jun 1997 14:14:25 +0100 (BST) Received: from fs4.eng.man.ac.uk by curlew.cs.man.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Sat, 7 Jun 1997 14:14:16 +0100 Received: from MAN-ENG-FS4/MAILQUEUE by fs4.eng.man.ac.uk (Mercury 1.21); 7 Jun 97 14:16:08 GMT Received: from MAILQUEUE by MAN-ENG-FS4 (Mercury 1.21); 7 Jun 97 14:15:42 GMT From: "I.T.Cuddihy" To: BRITDISC@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Sat, 7 Jun 1997 14:15:37 BST Subject: SOUTHAMPTON SCOREBOARD X-mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.22 Message-ID: <1DB9867565@fs4.eng.man.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Dear All, Si Hill wrote > and a big cricket score board which looks really cool if you > change all the numbers to 22. > > Cheers > > Si but I think everyone who was at the Student Outdoors will agree it looked much better when we changed the numbers to 06 ;-). Cheers from Manchester, Ian, Fingers 6 From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sat Jun 7 18:07:00 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id RAA12444; Sat, 7 Jun 1997 17:53:42 +0100 (BST) Received: from mail6 by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id RAA12434; Sat, 7 Jun 1997 17:53:12 +0100 (BST) Received: from gpgate.sv.gpsemi.com (gpgate.gpsemi.com [144.168.150.1]) by mail6 (8.6.13/Netcom) id JAA27234; Sat, 7 Jun 1997 09:53:00 -0700 Received: from swindon.gpsemi.com (swindon.gpsemi.com [144.168.16.4]) by gpgate.sv.gpsemi.com (8.6.12/8.6.12r) with SMTP id JAA05905 for ; Sat, 7 Jun 1997 09:52:53 -0700 Received: from monkeypuzzle.psc (monkeypuzzle.swindon.gpsemi.com [144.168.45.23]) by swindon.gpsemi.com (8.6.12/8.6.12r) with SMTP id RAA07528 for ; Sat, 7 Jun 1997 17:52:49 +0100 Date: Sat, 7 Jun 1997 17:52:49 +0100 From: rv@swindon.gpsemi.com (Ramin Vazirzadeh Ext) Message-Id: <199706071652.RAA07528@swindon.gpsemi.com> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Disc shop. Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Can somebody please tell me if there is any shop in London (or anywhere else) which sells discs. Up until last summer we got them from Whiteleys in London, but they don't sell them anymore. Thankyou. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Jun 9 08:05:46 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id HAA19575; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 07:48:15 +0100 (BST) Received: from crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id HAA19569; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 07:48:10 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 07:48:07 +0100 (BST) From: Mr R C Doswell Message-Id: <26551.199706090648@crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Received: by crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk id HAA26551; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 07:48:07 +0100 (BST) To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: BUF Events Reminder Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk British Ultimate Federation Disc Events Diary --------------------------------------------- June 1997 --------- Saturday 14 June 1997 Exeter Hat Tourny (2 days) @ Exter GB Women (squad only) practice (1 day) @ TBA Sunday 15 June 1997 GB Open Team practice + GB Women and open womens practice (1 day) @ TBA Saturday 21 June 1997 BUF Tour IV : Southampton Outdoors (2 days) @ Southampton July 1997 --------- Saturday 5 July 1997 BUF Tour V (2 days) @ Double Locks, Exeter Friday 11 July 1997 Warwick Bears 21st Reunion (3 days) TBC @ University of Warwick Saturday 12 July 1997 GB Women (squad only) practice (1 day) @ Warwick Sunday 13 July 1997 GB Open Team practice + GB Women and womens open practice (1 day) @ TBA (Warwick?) Sunday 27 July 1997 World Ultimate Club Championships (WUCC'97) (7 days) (Non-UK event) @ Vancouver, CA August 1997 ----------- Saturday 2 August 1997 LUCC (Lurkers Ultimate Club Championships!) (2 days) TBC @ *** CANCELLED *** Sunday 10 August 1997 GB Open Team practice + GB women and womens open practice (1 day) @ TBA Saturday 16 August 1997 Ross-on-Wye (2 days) TBC @ Ross-On-Wye! Saturday 23 August 1997 1997 BDGA Championships (2 days) (Non-Ultimate) TBC Sunday 24 August 1997 EFDF European Ultimate Championships (7 days) @ Millfield School, Street, Somerset, UK September 1997 -------------- Thursday 11 September 1997 British Open (4 days) Saturday 27 September 1997 BUF National Finals (outdoor) (2 days) @ Swindon (same as Tour III) October 1997 ------------ Saturday 25 October 1997 BUF Regional Championships (3 REGIONS) (2 days) @ ***TDs required*** (date is flexible) --------------------------------------------------------------- British Ultimate Federation Disc Events Diary http://www.csv.warwick.ac.uk:5201/cgi-bin/diary Ranulf Doswell, ralf@dcs.warwick.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Jun 9 10:49:51 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id KAA04890; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 10:32:25 +0100 (BST) Received: from ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id KAA04876; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 10:32:15 +0100 (BST) Received: from caj1.arch.cam.ac.uk [131.111.34.20] by ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.625 #1) id 0wb0o8-0001Lw-00; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 10:32:12 +0100 Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 10:40:31 GMT From: "Dora A. Kemp" To: Subject: Ultimate teams (fwd) X-Mailer: Mulberry [1.0.1, s/n #10001] X-Authenticated: dak12 by imap.cus.cam.ac.uk X-Licensed-To: University of Cambridge MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Can anyone out there help with this enquiry? Cheers > --On Sun, Jun 8, 1997 9:58 pm "Antony Marsh" <96adm1@eng.cam.ac.uk> wrote: > > Dora > > I've taken up ultimate this year at Cambridge, having now played on a > Sunday 3-4 times, and would be interested in continuing my practise over > the summer. I currently live near Ipswich, Suffolk, and I am aware that > there is a BUF team in Colchester that I could go to - I could even come > back to Cambridge if I made a day of it. However I will soon be moving > north to somewhere in the vicinity of Middlesbrough. A look at the BUF map > of teams shows the nearest BUF team being in Leeds, which would be too far > for me to travel. How can I find out if there might be any other > (ie non-BUF) teams in that area? Is it worthwhile looking at non-BUF > teams? > I don't want to spend the summer without throwing a disc, so any help > would be much appreciated. Thanks. > > Antony Marsh. > 96adm1@eng.cam.ac.uk > > Whatever does good should be held in honour, and the only shame is in doing harm. - Plato McDonald Institute for Archaeological Research Downing Street, Cambridge, England, CB2 3ER (01223) 339336; (01223) 333536 (FAX)/(01223) 339285; dak12@cam.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Jun 9 10:51:12 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id KAA05411; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 10:36:37 +0100 (BST) Received: from ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id KAA05397; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 10:36:28 +0100 (BST) Received: from caj1.arch.cam.ac.uk [131.111.34.20] by ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.625 #1) id 0wb0sD-0001cy-00; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 10:36:25 +0100 Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 10:44:43 GMT From: "Dora A. Kemp" To: Subject: Exeter Hat Tournament X-Mailer: Mulberry [1.0.1, s/n #10001] X-Authenticated: dak12 by imap.cus.cam.ac.uk X-Licensed-To: University of Cambridge MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hello everyone The Exter hat tournament is coming up this weekend. Matt and I went last year and enjoyed it very much. Great location (as you will see if you go to the final Tour tournament). If you wish to go all you do is inform the organizers and pay 5 pounds when you arrive. Accommodation is camping in the pub garden. The person to contact is Nicki at Nicola.C.Smith@exeter.ac.uk tel (01392) 496 950 Dora Whatever does good should be held in honour, and the only shame is in doing harm. - Plato McDonald Institute for Archaeological Research Downing Street, Cambridge, England, CB2 3ER (01223) 339336; (01223) 333536 (FAX)/(01223) 339285; dak12@cam.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Jun 9 18:05:43 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id RAA03479; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 17:42:17 +0100 (BST) Received: from maila.uscs.susx.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id RAA03473; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 17:42:13 +0100 (BST) Received: from cs0130.central.susx.ac.uk by maila.uscs.susx.ac.uk with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #2) id m0wb7W5-000XFAC; Mon, 9 Jun 97 17:42 BST Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 17:41:52 BST From: Diana Worman Subject: Mohawk Hat tourney To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi Britdisc, For people who aren't going to the Exeter Hat tourney, the Mohawks are hosting a one day hat tournament on Sunday 15th June in Brighton...all proceeds to charity mate. Play begins at 10pm...nice pitches, beer and BBQ, all welcome! Contact Susan Bell (01273 696249) for more details! From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Jun 9 21:10:33 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id UAA22655; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 20:54:17 +0100 (BST) From: DTulchin@aol.com Received: from emout15.mail.aol.com by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id UAA22636; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 20:53:55 +0100 (BST) Received: (from root@localhost) by emout15.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id PAA02178; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 15:50:45 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 15:50:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970609154834_-2066815014@emout15.mail.aol.com> To: jay_kravitz@laobridge.ucop.edu, kgodwin@fox.nstn.ca, BADILLO@sonoma.edu, Paul.Eykamp@ucop.edu, stride@capital.net, krolinso@bactc.com, elifriedman@igc.org, gintro@cdsnet.net, glickman@pobox.com, KKillebrew@aol.com, khouston@manistee-isd.k12.mi.us, Adena.Cohen@ncal.kaiperm.org, dcarta@ucsd.edu, burns@nome.net, Brian_Bray.WUSTL@msnotes.wustl.edu, Mbertin2@aol.com, pnutbutter@earthlink.net, 100550.1624@compuserve.com, acc37@columbia.edu, aflores@lehman.com, ConBDav@aol.com, d0192558@infotrade.co.uk, dmm@mm-croy.mottmac.com, jmcgill@ie.oracle.com, lrsussex@pavilion.co.uk, neil@inovanet.co.uk, ozfreire@designmotive.co.uk, Raf.Freire@Bristol.ac.uk, roger@kbw.co.uk, sgi@paramount.co.uk, britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk, ben@habanero.com, ncul@ssa1.arc.nasa.gov, kim@wubios.wustl.edu, ALTAURKE@cabrillo.cc.ca.us, dev@tmmc.org, DTulchin@aol.com Subject: tips to reduce your junk snail mail Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Tired of the stupid stuff you get in the mail? Wanna reduce your junk mail?? Tired of the stupid stuff you get in the mail? Wanna reduce your junk mail?? Did you know that each person in the U.S. receives, on average, their weight in junk mail, everyyear??? Also, that is equal to literally trees-worth of paper. Below are some hints and tips on how to stop getting that stuff sent to you, most only take a second or two. It does take some time before you will start to notice results. Send a note to the major mail order companies. Write something like, "Remove my name and address from your mailing list and do not sell, lend, or lease my name to others. Also, do not add my name in the future. Thank you very much." Also, everytime you order something or make a donation, you have to ask that group to not share your name with others. The major ones: * Mail Preference Service, c/o Direct Marketing Association, P.O Box 9008, Farmingdale, NY 11735 (212) 768-7277 * R.L. Polk & Co. Name Deletion File, List Compilation Department, 6400 Monroe Blvd., Taylor, MI 48180, 1-800-873-7655 * Database America Compilation Department, 100 Paragon Dr., Montvale, NJ 07645, 1-800-223-7777 Note: Remember to include any different spellin you order something new or make a donation, you might find your names gets back into circulation. If you get an email for these places, please let me know. dtulchin@aol.com (Drew Tulchin) ______________ If you are really gung-ho, here are some more suggestions: * Send stuff back to the company it came from - often at their expense: - For first class mail, write "Return to Sender, Don't send me your junk mail, remove me from your list." - If they provide a postage paid envelope, stuff their info into it and tell them you wish to be removed from their current AND ANY FUTURE LISTS. - You can refuse to accept any mail you don't want. Write refused to accept on the outside. If it is third class (bulk mail), the mail becomes the Post Office's responsibility. * Get off of "Dear Resident" lists by looking for the address on the stuff sent to you (it's usually only on the inside). The major companies are: - Advo, Inc. List Service Supervisor, 239 West Service Rd., Hartford, CT 06120 (203) 520-3200 - Cox Direct Operations Dept., 6030 North US 301, Elm City, NC 27822 (919) 236-4301 - Val-Pak Coupons, Address Information Dept., 8575 Largo Lakes Dr., Largo, FL 33773 (800) 237-2871 * Stop unwanted telephone calls: Telephone Preference Service, Direct Marketing Assoc. P.O. Box 9014, Farmingdale, NY 11735, (212) 768-7277 * Tell credit bureaus not to share your name: TRW - Opt-Out, 1-800-353-0809; Trans Union 1-800-680-7293; and Equifax Options (404) 885-8309 * If you have credit or other cards, ask your company to keep your name off any lists and from being sold or given out. * Don't fill out product warranty cards - you are covered, legally, without it. From: Stop Junk Mail Forever. Good Advice Press, 914-758-1400 Good luck in reducing your waste! -- some notes compiled by Drew Tulchin, please feel free to send me any tricks you have learned. dtulchin@aol.com or 415-647-1935. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Jun 10 09:56:40 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id JAA13200; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 09:37:22 +0100 (BST) Received: from mailer2.lut.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id JAA13173; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 09:37:05 +0100 (BST) Received: from sun-cc203.lboro.ac.uk [158.125.2.203] (root) by mailer2.lut.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.61 #1) id 0wbMQD-0000x7-00; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 09:36:57 +0100 Received: from focjw by sun-cc203.lboro.ac.uk with local (Exim 1.61 #1) id 0wbMQB-00047D-00; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 09:36:55 +0100 Subject: PURPLE HAZE, NEW ADDRESS To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 09:36:55 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: From: CJ White Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Dear important bods wot are involved with the BUF, Ultimatum etc. As of Sat 14th June, PURPLE HAZE HQ is moving to... 42 Granville St. Loughborough Leics. Sorry, no post code or phone number as yet. 'fraid its all been a bit rushed. Cheers-me-dears. Chris White (Comfy-chairman, PURPLE HAZE, Loughborough Students' Ultimate) C.J.White-95@student.lboro.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Jun 10 12:50:33 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id MAA04535; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 12:33:32 +0100 (BST) Received: from mps2.leeds.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id MAA04527; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 12:33:22 +0100 (BST) Received: from south-02.novell.leeds.ac.uk (south-02.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.76.2]) by mps2.leeds.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA04272 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 12:35:28 +0100 (BST) Received: from LUCS-H12/SpoolDir by south-02.novell.leeds.ac.uk (Mercury 1.31); 10 Jun 97 12:33:37 GMT0BST Received: from SpoolDir by LUCS-H12 (Mercury 1.31); 10 Jun 97 12:33:20 GMT0BST From: "Little Chewster" Organization: University of Leeds To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 12:33:17 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Address Change X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <656ED550D8@south-02.novell.leeds.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk To all The Jedi like the Jesters and Purple Haze are also moving for the summer. Please can all information be sent to: CHRIS RICHARDSON 40 WREKIN AVENUE NEWPORT SHROPSHIRE TF10 7HQ Cheers Ps Remember always let the Wookie win! From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Jun 10 21:12:43 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id UAA06121; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 20:54:16 +0100 (BST) Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id UAA06114; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 20:54:13 +0100 (BST) Received: from ultimatum.demon.co.uk ([158.152.203.174]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ad1220774; 10 Jun 97 15:56 BST Subject: London Ultimate Session - it's all still happenning! Date: Tue, 10 Jun 97 15:59:37 +0100 x-sender: ultimatum@pop3.demon.co.uk x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: Paul Hurt To: BritDisc Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Message-ID: <865954570.1220774.3@ultimatum.demon.co.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk LONDON ULTIMATE SESSION ======================= Just a reminder that this mega-tastic Ultimate practice is still happening on Tuesday nights, and it's still open to all players. We are regularly getting around 40 players of all levels, with two or three simultaneous games. The second league series starts tonight. If you're interested in playing, come down. Full details are at: http://www.ultimatum.demon.co.uk/lus/ or just come to Eagle Pond on Clapham Common (near "The Windmill" pub) from around 7pm. You can't miss us. See you there Paul --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Hurt Editor, Ultimatum Magazine, London, England paul@ultimatum.demon.co.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Jun 11 11:33:41 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id LAA08642; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 11:06:46 +0100 (BST) Received: from relay.cest.org.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA08620; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 11:06:34 +0100 (BST) Received: from stargazer.cest.org.uk (194.143.172.8) by relay.cest.org.uk with SMTP (Apple Internet Mail Server 1.1.1); Wed, 11 Jun 1997 11:13:10 +0000 Message-ID: Date: 11 Jun 1997 11:13:02 +0000 From: "Richard Stephens" Subject: Southampton pickup To: "Britdisc" X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-MS 3.0.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; Name="Message Body" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk I am sending this on behalf of an email-less newish female player who is = interested in playing in the Tour event at Southampton. If any team is = interested, please reply to me and I'll pass your contact details on. Ta Rich Stephens Albatross Ultimate From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Jun 11 12:20:17 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id LAA14568; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 11:49:40 +0100 (BST) Received: from mail.rmplc.net by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA14560; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 11:49:35 +0100 (BST) Received: from acotgreave.rmplc.net ([172.16.27.34]) by mail.rmplc.net (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA15348 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 11:49:34 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199706111049.LAA15348@mail.rmplc.net> From: "Andy Cotgreave" To: "Britdisc" Subject: lift to Exeter Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 11:41:07 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi, Is anyone going via/through/stopping at Oxford or Didcot on the way to Exeter? If so, is there any chance of a lift? Call me at 01235 823254 (work) or 01865 395993 (home), or mail me, if you can help. Thanks very much, Andy C ====================== acotgreave@rmplc.net From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Jun 11 14:41:36 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id OAA03097; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 14:16:16 +0100 (BST) Received: from [137.205.222.1] by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id OAA03088; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 14:16:09 +0100 (BST) X-Sender: serai@mail.csv.warwick.ac.uk Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 14:18:19 +0100 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: Dave Neilson Subject: Tennis Ultimate Idea! Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk On r.s.d there is some discussion about games to 19 or 21 being too long - I must have had this on my mind as I watched some of the recently televised tennis (French Open?) - sad but true ;-) Anyway, my idea was to try playing a series of short games to four (LOVE-15-30-40-GAME) based on the tennis model. Still seven a side Ultimate, but with parallels to the tennis format i.e. - must win a game by two (...DEUCE-ADVANTAGE-GAME); - same team pulls (SERVES) for whole game before alternating; - change ends only after every odd number of games; My challenge to those teams out there who practice regularly (and who maybe get bored with the standard format) is to try to play a full SET of games ... using the TIE-BREAK if necessary! Let BritDisc know your results. ANON. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Jun 11 14:50:15 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id OAA04315; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 14:26:08 +0100 (BST) Received: from exub.ex.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id OAA04307; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 14:26:04 +0100 (BST) Received: from cen.ex.ac.uk [144.173.6.1] by exub via ESMTP (OAA01273); Wed, 11 Jun 1997 14:26:02 +0100 Received: from dialup15 [144.173.6.215] by cen via SMTP (OAA05813); Wed, 11 Jun 1997 14:25:57 +0100 From: philippa stallard <@exeter.ac.uk@exeter.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Japan Ultimate. Message-ID: Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 14:25:20 +0100 () X-Mailer: Simeon for Win32 Version 4.0.9 X-Authentication: none MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi all, Does anyone know anything about Ultimate in Japan? I'm going to be spending the next year in Toyama City, in the Toyama Prefecture (I haven't got as clue where that is either) and am wondering if any of you Ultimate doods know if there are any teams nearby (or any teams at all for that matter). Any info gratefully recieved, Nicki. P.S. COME TO THE HAT TOURNY!!!!!!! ---------------------- Nicki Smith University of Exeter From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Jun 11 16:19:10 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id PAA14851; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 15:44:32 +0100 (BST) Received: from dirc.bris.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id PAA14844; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 15:44:18 +0100 (BST) Received: from mail.bris.ac.uk by dirc.bris.ac.uk with SMTP (XT-PP) with ESMTP; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 15:44:04 +0100 Received: from Bristol (ts1-p5.bris.ac.uk [137.222.1.5]) by mail.bris.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA16854 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 15:40:33 +0100 (BST) From: Rob Cole Reply-To: Rob Cole To: Brit Disk Subject: Mythago Address change Message-ID: Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 15:36:33 +0100 () X-Mailer: Simeon for Win32 Version 4.0.7 X-Authentication: none MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk As of 20th June, Mythago's contact details should be changed to Chris Hebert, ch5400@bris.ac.uk Address and phone number to follow shortly. Thanks, it's been great, ---------------------- Rob Cole #7, "The Guv'nor", Mythago Captain, 1996-7 me3101@bris.ac.uk http://www.fen.bris.ac.uk/students/me3101 From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Jun 11 21:02:49 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id UAA21138; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 20:39:55 +0100 (BST) Received: from stone.dcs.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id UAA21132; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 20:39:53 +0100 (BST) Received: from guardian.dcs.warwick.ac.uk by stone.dcs.warwick.ac.uk; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 18:15:36 +0100 (BST) Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by guardian.dcs.warwick.ac.uk; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 18:15:35 +0100 (BST) Received: from gateway.merchants.co.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id SAA05730; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 18:15:33 +0100 (BST) Received: (from Mail-Gateway@localhost) by gateway.merchants.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.4) id TAA04766 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 19:15:34 +0100 Received: from maillinkserver.merchants.co.uk (maillinkserver.merchants.co.uk [201.1.3.190]) by gateway.merchants.co.uk via smtp (V1.4) id SMFW004740 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 19:15:30 BST Date: 11 Jun 97 18:31:46 +0100 From: Patrick Winser Subject: RE>Japan Ultimate. To: "owner-britdisc" Message-ID: <970611.183146@merchants.co.uk> X-Mailer: QM-Internet Gateway 1.0 X-Priority: 4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi Nicki There is Ultimate in Japan, it is quite well organised in fact they have = corporate leagues. Two areas I would look under would be the upa page and ask them for = information on world contacts or wfdf. I do not know any contacts = addresses. I have the upa address if you want it. Patch From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Jun 12 15:36:45 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id PAA14918; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 15:13:30 +0100 (BST) Received: from mps2.leeds.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id PAA14907; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 15:13:15 +0100 (BST) Received: from west-01.novell.leeds.ac.uk (west-01.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.124.1]) by mps2.leeds.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA12267 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 15:15:21 +0100 (BST) Received: from LUCS-H21/SpoolDir by west-01.novell.leeds.ac.uk (Mercury 1.31); 12 Jun 97 15:13:31 GMT0BST Received: from SpoolDir by LUCS-H21 (Mercury 1.31); 12 Jun 97 15:13:24 GMT0BST From: "Nice Guy Eddie" Organization: University of Leeds To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 15:13:16 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Exeter lift? & summer ultimate. X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <4DF784779C@west-01.novell.leeds.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi I play for Jedi Children up in Leeds. But during the holidays I'll be at home in Northampton. I would really like to continue playing and practicing ulimate in the summer. Is there somewhere nearby who I could huck a little with in between tournaments. Second favour, is there anyone passing by, through or stopping in Northampton, or even stopping in the M1 Northampton services, who I could catch a lift with. I'll be willing to help out with the cost of petrol etc. If anyone can help me out on either matters, you can contact mewhile I'm at leeds on my email address above or tel 0113 2757601 until 27th June. Anytime after that you can contact me at home on 01327 830038. Cheers Andrew Robinson "Control, control! You must learn control!" THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Jun 13 02:15:42 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id BAA12883; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 01:57:07 +0100 (BST) From: guy@dc.mei.melco.co.jp Received: from melcoweb by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id BAA12878; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 01:57:00 +0100 (BST) Received: by melcoweb (5.65+1.6W/2.7W) id AA03120; Fri, 13 Jun 97 09:52:49 JST Received: from meims by inetgw.topo.melco.co.jp (1.38.193.5/6.4J.6-inetgw1.0) id AA06527; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 10:02:09 +0900 Received: from mspc700.dc.mei.melco.co.jp (mspc700.mei.melco.co.jp [150.40.0.70]) by meims.mei.melco.co.jp (8.6.12+2.4W/3.4W2) with SMTP id JAA13489 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 09:56:02 +0900 Received: from mpc7014.dc.mei.melco.co.jp by mspc700.dc.mei.melco.co.jp (4.1/6.4J.6-DcMst-96Jul16) id AA29460; Fri, 13 Jun 97 09:58:51 JST Date: Fri, 13 Jun 97 09:23:23 PDT Subject: RE: Japan Ultimate. To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk X-Mailer: Chameleon - TCP/IP for Windows by NetManage, Inc. Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Nicki, The biggest concentration of teams are in Tokyo/Yokahama/Nagoya/ Kyoto/Osaka.. ie on the East coast, you will be on the West coast, There may be a pick-up game in Kanazawa some weekends, take a look on the UPA home page for Japan team info. http://www.upa.org/pickup/teams.html The team I play for in Nagoya (the NUTs) is listed there, check us out.... http://www.indis.co.jp/052times/petescorner/nuts/index.html (Yes I've got peanuts up my nose) The 22nd National Championships (Open and Ladies) are in November, the clubs championships are in May. Its getting very popular. Expect high entry fees to tournaments (upto $30/player), and similar JFDA membership fees. University and University Old Boys teams dominate... If you're ever in Nagoya (anybody) Saturday afternoons from 1PM we get about 40 people (Japanese and 'others') playing and learning Ultimate in Shonai Ryokuji Park. Maybe see you there, sayonra... Guy Kennett guy@dc.mei.melco.co.jp >Hi all, > >Does anyone know anything about Ultimate in Japan? I'm >going to be spending the next year in Toyama City, in the >Toyama Prefecture (I haven't got as clue where that is >either) and am wondering if any of you Ultimate doods know >if there are any teams nearby (or any teams at all for that >matter). > >Any info gratefully recieved, > >Nicki. > >P.S. COME TO THE HAT TOURNY!!!!!!! >---------------------- >Nicki Smith >University of Exeter > > > ------------------------------------- Information strictly for the addresse(s) only. Guy Kennett Inverter Engineering Section 1 Sent 09:23:23 06/13/97 From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Jun 13 10:56:50 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id KAA23400; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 10:42:26 +0100 (BST) Received: from clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id KAA23389; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 10:42:22 +0100 (BST) Received: from beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id KAA07125; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 10:42:18 +0100 (BST) Received: from mahogany.sucs.soton.ac.uk (mahogany.sucs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.129.139]) by beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.5/server) with ESMTP id KAA13503 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 10:42:16 +0100 (BST) Received: (from ajk194@localhost) by mahogany.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.5/client) id KAA14397 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 10:39:50 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199706130939.KAA14397@mahogany.sucs.soton.ac.uk> Subject: Southampton Tour IV - Trophy To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk (British Disc Mailing List) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 10:39:50 +0100 (BST) From: "Fergal" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi everyone, I am just mailing to ensure that the Southampton Trophy is brought back to the tournament next weekend. I know that shotgun won it, and I believe that sean collected it , so probably still has it. Whoever does have the Trophy or knows who has it can you mail me asap, or ring me on 0468 806885 Thanks Andy - GYNGA From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Jun 13 11:36:07 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id LAA27072; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 11:13:51 +0100 (BST) Received: from lupin.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA27059; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 11:13:47 +0100 (BST) Received: from localhost by lupin.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id LAA16646; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 11:13:45 +0100 (BST) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 11:13:42 +0100 (BST) From: Mr M J Jefferson X-Sender: haucf@lupin To: Britdisc Subject: Ultimate in schools. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi everyone, I'm currently preparing an information pack which will be delivered to Tony Banks in a week or two. I am planning to include several letters of support from various sources: a summer camp organisation, universities and schools. I would really appreciate some assistance on two points. 1. If you are currently teaching Ultimate in your school would you be prepared to write a letter? 2. Do you know of any other sources which I should be pursuing? If the answer is yes to any of these questions please drop me a line. On a similar note, if you know anyone teaching in schools but who doesn't subscribe to Britdisc, could you give me a contact number please? Thanks for your time..... Mark (informal) BFDF Development Officer (acting) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Jun 13 18:10:28 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id RAA14615; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 17:47:32 +0100 (BST) Received: from mailhost.dircon.co.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id RAA14606; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 17:47:28 +0100 (BST) Received: from [194.112.43.95] (eng2-201.pool.dircon.co.uk [194.112.43.201]) by mailhost.dircon.co.uk (8.8.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA22182 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 17:47:19 +0100 (BST) X-Sender: daltay@popmail.dircon.co.uk Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 17:51:25 +0100 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: daltay@dircon.co.uk (Dale Taylor) Subject: Re: Japan Ultimate Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Sorry BDers, mail direct to Philippa Stallard/Nicki bounces! Dear Nicki, I've emailed a young Japanese girl called Yuuki who lived in England and played ultimate here for over a year. As you will see from her reply, she is happy to give you some help etc. I suggest you contact her direct. Regards Nolan Shotgun >To: daltay@dircon.co.uk (Dale Taylor) >Subject: Re: Japan Ultimate. >Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 12:35:17 +0900 >From: Yuuki Ogura > >Hi! Thanks for the email. > >I'm sorry too that I haven't written to you for >a long time. I'm extreamly busy now. Maybe it is the busiest time for >me so far now in my life. I'll almost get crazy. >I'll tell you the details about me later. >So what can I do for Nicki Smith ? Toyama (wasn't it?) is >a bit far from here. But I'll be able to help somehow. >Maybe you can pass on my email address. >Anyway I'll do anything what I can. > >I'll write to you again. > >YuukiXXX From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sat Jun 14 04:12:48 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id DAA23969; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 03:55:27 +0100 (BST) Received: from bluewin.ch by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id DAA23965; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 03:55:24 +0100 (BST) Received: from 195.186.18.91 (lzf18pub99.bluewin.ch [195.186.18.99]) by bluewin.ch (8.8.5/SMTPSMI-SVR4)?SMTP via SMTP id EAA06169 Message-ID: <33A20814.1613@bluewin.ch> Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 04:55:33 +0200 From: "M. Durrer" Organization: Red I's Ultimate X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 [de] (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk CC: madu@redis.ultimate.ch Subject: Red I's Summer Ultimate Tournament 1997 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk hi everybody, the Red I's Switzerland starts the 7th edition of their xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx x xx x S U M M E R U L T I M A T E P I C K - U P T O U R N A M E N T xxx x ********************************************************************* xxx x xxx x august 1./2./3. Sarnen Switzerland xxx x xxx xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx for 3 days (!) this year, because august 1st is the swiss national day. So if you are not in Vancouver at this time, you are very invited to join our legendary swiss summer pick-up tournament. The tournament is situated in Sarnen in the middle of Switzerland at the nicest lake you've ever seen. We promise you a nonforgetabe time with many ultimate games, best food and hot parties with live bands and... any requests..??? You can find all information you need at http://www.redis.ultimate.ch/summer97/ where you can also register. You can also mail us to mailto:club@redis.ultimate.ch or fax to +41 41 660 45 06 and we will send you an registration form as well as all information you need. All players should register untill 15th of july !!! There is limited space, so hurry up. As well I want to promote our brandnew webpage: http://www.redis.ultimate.ch (if you dont know what to do tonight..) see you in summer... Marco Red I's ------------------------------------------------------------------- Red I's Switzerland c/o Marco Durrer mailto:club@redis.ultimate.ch Kreuzstrasse 23 CH-6056 Kaegiswil visit our homepage at: phone&fax: +41 41 660 45 06 http://www.redis.ultimate.ch mailto:madu@redis.ultimate.ch ------------------------------------------------------------------- From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sun Jun 15 15:00:13 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id OAA05592; Sun, 15 Jun 1997 14:35:02 +0100 (BST) Received: from irwell.zetnet.co.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id OAA05586; Sun, 15 Jun 1997 14:34:59 +0100 (BST) Received: from deansgate.zetnet.co.uk (deansgate.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.47.23]) by irwell.zetnet.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA25371; Sun, 15 Jun 1997 14:34:46 +0100 Message-ID: <1997061513455674146@zetnet.co.uk> Date: Sun, 15 Jun 1997 13:45:56 +0100 To: eurodisc@ira.uka.de From: Toby Green X-Mailer: ZIMACS Version 1.10c 10003244 Subject: Whitcombe Farm Disc Golf Classic Cc: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk As promised, I have returned from my African walkabout in time to host the 8th (or is it?) Whitcombe Farm Disc Golf Classic at the end of this month. This is a BDGA Tour Event. However, mainland Europeans are cordially invited!! For those unfamiliar with the course: it runs over 80 acres (?50 hectares) of steeply rolling organic farmland. There are two permanently installed courses of 18 baskets with single chains (for challenging putting). June 28th & 29th Registration will be from 9.30 am on Saturday, with tee-off at 11 am. This should give all you laggards plenty of time to get there! We will be playing 2 rounds on Saturday; and 1 on Sunday morning, with a play-off to finish. Accommodation. There are a limited number of beds left in the Summer House, so first come, first served for the remainder. The usual terms apply: GBP 5.00 per person per night. Camping is available right outside the Summer House. This will cost GBP 1.00 per person per night. You are welcome to arrive any time after 2pm on Friday. (If you arrive earlier, you do so at your own peril, you will get to meet a very dull cousin whose only interest in life is family trees. You have been warned). Tournament fees: GBP 15.00; BDGA members GBP 12.00; unwaged GBP 7.00. Please pay at registration. Practice rounds on Friday - help yourself. Trophy: A new (perpetual) trophy has been purchased, a rather fetching piece of Shona sculpture I purchased from an artist in Harare. Hopefully, previous winners' names will be engraved before the tournament. I would appreciate it if you could indicate if you're coming, and if you know of others who are not wired who are coming. Toby -- TOBY GREEN 74 Old High Street, Headington, Oxford OX3 9HW, UK PLEASE NOTE NEW TELEPHONE NUMBER - ADD 7 IN FRONT OF OLD NUMBER! +44 1865 769789 (tel) +44 1865 437714 (fax) t.green@zetnet.co.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Jun 16 08:03:49 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id HAA18414; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 07:48:12 +0100 (BST) Received: from crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id HAA18409; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 07:48:10 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 07:48:07 +0100 (BST) From: Mr R C Doswell Message-Id: <23202.199706160648@crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Received: by crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk id HAA23202; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 07:48:07 +0100 (BST) To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: BUF Events Reminder Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk British Ultimate Federation Disc Events Diary --------------------------------------------- June 1997 --------- Saturday 21 June 1997 BUF Tour IV : Southampton Outdoors (2 days) @ Southampton July 1997 --------- Saturday 5 July 1997 BUF Tour V (2 days) @ Double Locks, Exeter Friday 11 July 1997 Warwick Bears 21st Reunion (3 days) TBC @ University of Warwick Saturday 12 July 1997 GB Women (squad only) practice (1 day) @ Warwick Sunday 13 July 1997 GB Open Team practice + GB Women and womens open practice (1 day) @ TBA (Warwick?) Sunday 27 July 1997 World Ultimate Club Championships (WUCC'97) (7 days) (Non-UK event) @ Vancouver, CA August 1997 ----------- Saturday 2 August 1997 LUCC (Lurkers Ultimate Club Championships!) (2 days) TBC @ *** CANCELLED *** Sunday 10 August 1997 GB Open Team practice + GB women and womens open practice (1 day) @ TBA Saturday 16 August 1997 Ross-on-Wye (2 days) TBC @ Ross-On-Wye! Saturday 23 August 1997 1997 BDGA Championships (2 days) (Non-Ultimate) TBC Sunday 24 August 1997 EFDF European Ultimate Championships (7 days) @ Millfield School, Street, Somerset, UK September 1997 -------------- Thursday 11 September 1997 British Open (4 days) Saturday 27 September 1997 BUF National Finals (outdoor) (2 days) @ Swindon (same as Tour III) October 1997 ------------ Saturday 25 October 1997 BUF Regional Championships (3 REGIONS) (2 days) @ ***TDs required*** (date is flexible) --------------------------------------------------------------- British Ultimate Federation Disc Events Diary http://www.csv.warwick.ac.uk:5201/cgi-bin/diary Ranulf Doswell, ralf@dcs.warwick.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Jun 16 11:20:58 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id KAA06549; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 10:57:05 +0100 (BST) Received: from mailsun.aber.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id KAA06531; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 10:56:57 +0100 (BST) Received: from gromit.dcs.aber.ac.uk by mailsun.aber.ac.uk with SMTP (XTPPst-c); Mon, 16 Jun 1997 10:56:32 +0100 Message-ID: <33A50D81.2426@aber.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 10:56:32 +0100 From: ALEX EVANS X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (X11; I; SunOS 5.5 sun4u) To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Nike Sharks MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Anyone looking for Nike Sharks by mail order would do well to try: Denver Athletics Ltd. 76 Sluice Road Denver Downham Market Norfolk PE38 0DZ 01366 384603 50 quid, fast delivery (mine arrived next day). Happy hunting, Alex From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Jun 16 12:44:38 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id MAA17632; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 12:17:35 +0100 (BST) Received: from gps1.leeds.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id MAA17626; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 12:17:30 +0100 (BST) Received: from west-01.novell.leeds.ac.uk (west-01.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.124.1]) by gps1.leeds.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA22905 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 12:17:30 +0100 (BST) Received: from LUCS-H21/SpoolDir by west-01.novell.leeds.ac.uk (Mercury 1.31); 16 Jun 97 12:17:48 GMT0BST Received: from SpoolDir by LUCS-H21 (Mercury 1.31); 16 Jun 97 12:17:31 GMT0BST From: "Nice Guy Eddie" Organization: University of Leeds To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 12:17:30 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Exeter lift & summer ultimate, again X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi You might remember me (Andrew - Jedi Child) asking for a lift down to Exeter from or near Northampton and also if anyone had info about who I could throw some discs with in between tournaments. Well thanks for people's help. However my computer has decided to delete some of the messages and names in my address book. Could those people who sent info and advice over the weekend, send it to me again. I remember there was Patch ( Fluid Druids) who lives in Milton Keynes - adddress?. Then there was a message about Leicester and clubs that play there together with their addresses and practice times - Reds and Stan. Sorry folks cheers for your help again Andrew From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Jun 16 19:02:52 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id SAA09949; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 18:43:22 +0100 (BST) Received: from phidelta.demon.co.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id SAA09939; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 18:43:10 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 18:24:54 GMT From: druid@phidelta.demon.co.uk (Fluid Druids Ultimate Team) Reply-To: druid@phidelta.demon.co.uk Message-Id: <6475@phidelta.demon.co.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Cc: rowbottn@ccs.bham.ac.uk, undy@acslink.net.au, merrick.cardew@g4tech.co.uk Subject: Ross on Wye 1997 X-Name: Wayne Retter, Treasurer X-Team: Fluid Druids - theultimatefrisbeeteam X-WWW: http://www.dreamer.demon.co.uk/druids/ X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Lines: 25 Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk The tournament people keep asking questions about... 16 and 17 August 1997 24 teams new showers! (though will there be enough?) I'll try to send the invitations out this week, they're on the following website in the meantime, so feel free to print off the entrance form and send it with a cheque... http://www.phidelta.demon.co.uk/fluiddruids/ Maps and stuff (do you REALLY need them? same place as for the last few years!) will be sent on receipt of cheques, and I'll hopefully put them on the website anyway. Hope to hear from you SOON. Wayne .......................................... : FLUID DRUIDS : : theultimatefrisbeeteam : : Druid@phidelta.demon.co.uk : : http://www.dreamer.demon.co.uk/druids/ : :........................................: From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Jun 16 19:52:51 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id TAA13473; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 19:23:06 +0100 (BST) Received: from lupin.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id TAA13466; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 19:23:03 +0100 (BST) Received: from localhost by lupin.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id TAA15675; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 19:23:01 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 19:22:58 +0100 (BST) From: Mr M J Jefferson X-Sender: haucf@lupin To: Britdisc Subject: Tennis scoring. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk The Bears took up Sammy's "anonymous" suggestion to attempt Ultimate with tennis scoring today, with mixed results. In its favour, the alternative system brought in an extra dimension on the tactical front, and gives the winner of the toss a far greater advantage than under the present system. In reality though, the emphasis on tactics proved a bit of a red herring. On a day like today, where there was a strong down-pitch wind, games were almost a fore-gone conclusion between equally matched teams, whether "serving" or "returning." Under the existing scoring format in a tightly matched game, a hard won point up-wind would be enough to turn the game around. We found that, due to the wind, it would have been almost impossible to "break serve" as that would have meant four or five points won up-wind in a short space of time. I think everyone agreed that with a cross wind, or better still without any wind at all, things may have been different, and probably would have been more exciting. Looking forward to hearing other opinions..... Mark. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Jun 17 07:37:36 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id HAA25450; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 07:13:01 +0100 (BST) Received: from utrecht.knoware.nl by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id HAA25444; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 07:12:57 +0100 (BST) Received: from [193.78.121.4] (mac-4.knoware.nl [193.78.121.4]) by utrecht.knoware.nl (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id IAA00329; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 08:12:42 +0200 X-Sender: mikeocon@pop.knoware.nl Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 08:16:31 +0000 To: Toby Green From: mikeocon@knoware.nl (IJsselsteinse Disctivity Center) Subject: Re: Whitcombe Farm Disc Golf Classic Cc: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi Toby, Thanks for the message about your tournament. I'lprint it out and spread it around town and post a copy out at our three hole course ( with DDC courts and accuracy ranges as well!) Nice development here, 55+ers! Yesterday 8 showed up and nect week (the 24th) 21 more. Puts an interesting slant on the game. Speaking of slants on the game perhaps you can pick up a copy of the 'Algemeen Dagblad' ( dutch newspaper) from the 16th ( yesterday). It costs a pretty penny but as I understand it there's an article about the discgolf tournament in Rotterdam . The TD called and is asking many people to respond to it as it puts DG in a bad light. I haven't read it yet so I'm not sure what he's talking about. About the only way I could come is if you had a permanent pole-hole to buy for a reasonable price although if you hear of someone coming from the continent with a space in the auto let me know! with regards, Mike p.s. we put your tournament on our current scorecard, I'll try to send you one the next time I do a snail-mailing. s.a. Are you maing mini's for the tournament? I can get you 200 for 99quid, you supply the artwork or I can make a simple one from the information in your message --- Dulcimer DiscSport, Kite-Flying, Rope-Skipping, Marble-Playing, Academic ( Sentient), Baseball/Wiffle=A9Ball Training School { D.D.S.K.F.R.S.M.P.A.S.B./W.=A9 B. & K. T. School} at the IJsselsteinse Disctivity Center Nedereindse Plas, Provincie Utrecht The Netherlands American English to Nederlands; Nederlands-American English translation ( vertaling) services available tel 31 0 30 688 1711 (first 0 not needed from outside Holland) http://www.harmsen.com/mike/ =20 From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Jun 17 10:53:09 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id KAA09028; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 10:23:25 +0100 (BST) Received: from clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id KAA09022; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 10:23:18 +0100 (BST) Received: from beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id KAA22309; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 10:23:14 +0100 (BST) Received: from mahogany.sucs.soton.ac.uk (mahogany.sucs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.129.139]) by beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.5/server) with ESMTP id KAA24787 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 10:23:13 +0100 (BST) Received: (from ajk194@localhost) by mahogany.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.5/client) id KAA06858 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 10:21:40 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199706170921.KAA06858@mahogany.sucs.soton.ac.uk> Subject: Shotgun To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk (British Disc Mailing List) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 10:21:40 +0100 (BST) From: "Fergal" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Could someone from Shotgun please give me ring, preferably someone in charge or an organisational position (yeah right). On 0468 806885, this is urgent. Thanks Andy Kayley - GYNGA From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Jun 19 15:36:51 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id PAA08059; Thu, 19 Jun 1997 15:05:12 +0100 (BST) Received: from mail2.lancs.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id PAA08046; Thu, 19 Jun 1997 15:04:59 +0100 (BST) Received: from unixc.lancs.ac.uk by mail2.lancs.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Thu, 19 Jun 1997 15:03:40 +0100 Received: (from beaumona@localhost) by unixc.lancs.ac.uk (8.8.4/8.6.12) id PAA16816; Thu, 19 Jun 1997 15:03:36 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 15:03:36 +0100 (BST) From: ALEX BEAUMONT To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Ultimate in Bracknell Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk I'll keep it short and get straight to the point..... I've just got myself a job in Bracknell and was wondering if there are any sides in the area that I could join? Any help would be much appreciated. Cheers Alex (Reservior Fish - Lancaster) Tel: 01524 383497 From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Jun 19 17:23:06 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id RAA23462; Thu, 19 Jun 1997 17:04:03 +0100 (BST) Received: from amsta.leeds.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id RAA23443; Thu, 19 Jun 1997 17:03:35 +0100 (BST) Received: from newton.leeds.amsta (newton.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.64]) by amsta.leeds.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA27731 for ; Thu, 19 Jun 1997 17:03:47 +0100 (BST) Received: by newton.leeds.amsta (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id RAA08006; Thu, 19 Jun 1997 17:04:17 +0100 Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 17:04:17 +0100 From: amtsjh@amsta.leeds.ac.uk (S J Hill) Message-Id: <199706191604.RAA08006@newton.leeds.amsta> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: SOUTHAMPTON X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Important (and some not-so important) INFORMATION ------------------------------------------------- Below are the seedings for Southampton, and some info about timings, etc. But first a brief disclaimer and whinge. NB - Captain's meeting is 9am - and every team must have someone there. Briefly: this tourney was oversubscribed so (as explained before) we tried to work out a way of maintaining the Tour system but at the same time have more than the 24 teams on 8 pitches. Owing to the time of year this is possible - but it makes the schedule quite severe in places. I have spent a lot of time trying to ensure that it is as fair as possible. Beware also that Sunday is an early start for many teams. If you would like to have recieved all this info SOONER: the idea is to post the schedule at the same time as the directions!! - then I sympathise. And when we can have a run up to a tournament that isn't dogged by teams pulling out, etc etc, then it will happen. Thanks to Andy Kayley (and the other Skunks) for putting up with team changes right up to the last minute.u OK - here's the important stuff... SEEDINGS and GROUPS ------------------- TOP 8 ----- Usual system - top 2 each group -> semis. Bottom 2 into same Sunday Pool carrying fwd Saturday result. Group A Group B 1. Shotgun I 2. Shotgun II 3. Catch 22 4. Druids 6. Chevron 5. Stan 8. VH 7. Oxford 9-16 ---- Top 2 in each group fwd into same Sunday pool carrying fwd Saturday result. (Example of Sunday pool: 5,7,10,12.) Group C Group D 9. First Touch 10. Headrush 11. Red Jesters 12. Strange Blue 14. Squawks 13. Village People 16. SLUT 15. Floating Bloke Bottom 2 in each pool into KNOCKOUT plate competition to rank teams 13-20. 17-26 ----- Top 2 in each pool into PLATE KNOCKOUT. Bottom 3 in each pool playoff against the 3 teams from the other SATURDAY pool, carrying fwd relevant Saturday results. Thus bottom 6 end up playing round robin against each other. Group F Group G 17. Mythago 18. Blue AF 19. GB Women 20. Jedi 21. GB Juniors 22. RWBLI 23. Mud Culture 24. Nightfever 25. Uriel 26. Skunks SCHEDULE -------- The way the schedule works out some teams have a relatively late start. These teams should still have a representative at capts meeting. Groups C and D: first game is at 11:30am. F1 (Mythago): first game is at 10:50am. G1 (BAF): first game is at 12.10pm - sorry. Its just the way it turned out. EVERYONE ELSE STARTS AT 9.30am. Now that this has been announced, it cannot be changed. So if anyone pulls out now there will be no change to the schedule, and teams will just miss out on games. see you there Si ------ Simon Hill 0113 289 0971 From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Jun 20 12:03:34 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id LAA09814; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 11:42:10 +0100 (BST) Received: from oxmail4.ox.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id LAA09798; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 11:41:55 +0100 (BST) Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk by oxmail4 with SMTP (PP) with ESMTP; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 11:41:10 +0100 Received: from localhost (immd0001@localhost) by ermine.ox.ac.uk (1.1/8.8.3) with SMTP id LAA01757 for ; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 11:41:08 +0100 (BST) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 11:41:07 +0100 (BST) From: paul meaney To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: you know you are getting old when.... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi all, I saw this thread on rec.sport.disc a while ago and I though it was quite amusing. I thought we could easily come up with our own ideas. you know you are getting old when....... ....you are in the middle of telling an amazing story about a point you scored when someone says "Hombres? who are they?" (I caould be nasty to Toby Green and say "Boleros? who are they?" But I won't.) ..... you hear someone on the other team saying "right, I've got the Old Git" ..... you find yourself saying "I'm not being lazy!! I'm working on my off- man D!!!" more and more ....you think you've made a decent first cut. The rest of your team tells you to stop clogging ....the word 'ibuprofen' becomes part of your everday language (nicked that one from rec.sport.disc) ....you bring a deckchair to tournaments. ....you are a valued team member because you have a car. any others? Paul. //////////////////////////////////\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ ****************************************************************************** Kryten: sir, you must forgive Mr Rimmer, he's suffering from a stress- related nervous disorder Lister: Next time I see him he'll be suffering from a fist- related teeth disorder ****************************************************************************** \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\//////////////////////////////////////////// From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Jun 20 13:02:41 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id MAA16684; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 12:41:28 +0100 (BST) From: Wayne_Retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk Received: from leda.watsonwyatt.co.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id MAA16666; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 12:41:12 +0100 (BST) Received: from smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk (unverified [126.128.26.71]) by leda.watsonwyatt.co.uk (Integralis SMTPRS 2.04) with SMTP id ; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 12:40:12 +0100 Received: from ccMail by smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk (IMA Internet Exchange 2.1 Enterprise) id 00003ABA; Fri, 20 Jun 97 12:41:32 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 12:39:31 +0100 Message-Id: <00003ABA.004069@watsonwyatt.co.uk> Subject: Hombres {was: you know you are getting old when....} To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk to all those who don't know, don't remember, or are simply too young... Paul Meaney wrote: > "Hombres? who are they?" you may well yet find out at Ross-on-Wye 1997, IF anyone can provide Andy Lucey (Toy Boy)'s address for me - I've lost it! Please help, if you can... Cheers Wayne Retter Fluid Druids Ross-on-Wye 1997 TD PS: No invites have gone in the post YET, I'll bring lots to Southampton, and they're on the WWW at http://www.phidelta.demon.co.uk/fluiddruids/ PS2: Aberwystwyth - I've received your entry, thanks! Maps and stuff to follow. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Jun 20 16:48:22 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id QAA14334; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 16:29:21 +0100 (BST) Received: from amsta.leeds.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id QAA14304; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 16:29:09 +0100 (BST) Received: from newton.leeds.amsta (newton.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.64]) by amsta.leeds.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA23177 for ; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 16:29:25 +0100 (BST) Received: by newton.leeds.amsta (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id QAA10511; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 16:29:54 +0100 Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 16:29:54 +0100 From: amtsjh@amsta.leeds.ac.uk (S J Hill) Message-Id: <199706201529.QAA10511@newton.leeds.amsta> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: SOUTHAMPTON X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi It would be very helpful if any team who thinks they may be struggling to have a team this w/e was to get in touch with me asap. At the moment we have 25 teams - and some teams are going to lose out playing time. I'll be at home from 5 till about 6. 0113 289 0971. Si From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Jun 20 17:35:06 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id RAA20309; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 17:19:32 +0100 (BST) From: Tebewebb@aol.com Received: from emout07.mail.aol.com by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id RAA20291; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 17:19:18 +0100 (BST) Received: (from root@localhost) by emout07.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id MAA24936 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 12:18:42 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 12:18:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970620121602_1654882365@emout07.mail.aol.com> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Looking for a ride Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Despite the fact that this is from Stephen Young, its an email for Yusi Wang, who is looking for a ride from London to Southampton on Saturday evening, any time after 5 in the afternoon. If you have any available space, please call Yusi's friend Theo, whose number is 0171-837-8888, ext 5125, or, if you get this early, email him on uceetwh@ucl.ac.uk Thanks ever so much. stephen From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Jun 23 08:24:09 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id HAA14081; Mon, 23 Jun 1997 07:48:14 +0100 (BST) Received: from crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id HAA14076; Mon, 23 Jun 1997 07:48:11 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 07:48:09 +0100 (BST) From: Mr R C Doswell Message-Id: <4240.199706230648@crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Received: by crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk id HAA04240; Mon, 23 Jun 1997 07:48:09 +0100 (BST) To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: BUF Events Reminder Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk British Ultimate Federation Disc Events Diary --------------------------------------------- July 1997 --------- Saturday 5 July 1997 BUF Tour V (2 days) @ Double Locks, Exeter Friday 11 July 1997 Warwick Bears 21st Reunion (3 days) TBC @ University of Warwick Saturday 12 July 1997 GB Women (squad only) practice (1 day) @ Oxford Sunday 13 July 1997 GB Open Team practice + GB Women and womens open practice (1 day) @ Witney, nr Oxford. Sunday 27 July 1997 World Ultimate Club Championships (WUCC'97) (7 days) (Non-UK event) @ Vancouver, CA August 1997 ----------- Saturday 2 August 1997 LUCC (Lurkers Ultimate Club Championships!) (2 days) TBC @ *** CANCELLED *** Sunday 10 August 1997 GB Open Team practice + GB women and womens open practice (1 day) @ TBA Saturday 16 August 1997 Ross-on-Wye (2 days) TBC @ Ross-On-Wye! Saturday 23 August 1997 1997 BDGA Championships (2 days) (Non-Ultimate) TBC Sunday 24 August 1997 EFDF European Ultimate Championships (7 days) @ Millfield School, Street, Somerset, UK September 1997 -------------- Thursday 11 September 1997 British Open (4 days) Saturday 27 September 1997 BUF National Finals (outdoor) (2 days) @ Swindon (same as Tour III) October 1997 ------------ Saturday 25 October 1997 BUF Regional Championships (3 REGIONS) (2 days) @ ***TDs required*** (date is flexible) --------------------------------------------------------------- British Ultimate Federation Disc Events Diary http://www.csv.warwick.ac.uk:5201/cgi-bin/diary Ranulf Doswell, ralf@dcs.warwick.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Jun 24 09:35:10 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id JAA15043; Tue, 24 Jun 1997 09:13:50 +0100 (BST) Received: from kestrel.mcg.gla.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id JAA15037; Tue, 24 Jun 1997 09:13:48 +0100 (BST) Received: from mcg1.mcg.gla.ac.uk by kestrel.mcg.gla.ac.uk (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA22125; Tue, 24 Jun 1997 09:00:47 +0100 Received: from MCG1/SpoolDir by mcg1.mcg.gla.ac.uk (Mercury 1.21); 24 Jun 97 09:13:47 +1100 Received: from SpoolDir by MCG1 (Mercury 1.21); 24 Jun 97 09:13:44 +1100 From: "David Grayson" Organization: Multimedia Communications Group To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 09:13:37 gmt+1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: NotreDame tournament - call for Scots X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.40) Message-ID: <1033AB12203@mcg1.mcg.gla.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk There is a Scottish team going to the French tournament in Notre Dame du Mont from 7th-12th of July. We have a few places left, however to anyone who wishes to go. Priority will go to Scots, people with Scottish ancestry, or people who are willing to eat deep fried pizza washed down with Irn Bru (real Scots) but any story will do. We particularly need a couple of women. Please get in touch with me if you are interested or phone me at home: 0141 337 6946 or at work: 0141 330 6237. Dave. Mud Culture. \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ David Grayson Multimedia Communications Group Department of Psychology 52 Hillhead Street University of Glasgow Glasgow G12 Tel 0141 330 6237 e-mail david@mcg.gla.ac.uk /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Jun 24 12:52:57 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id MAA04766; Tue, 24 Jun 1997 12:37:01 +0100 (BST) From: Tebewebb@aol.com Received: from emout14.mail.aol.com by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id MAA04754; Tue, 24 Jun 1997 12:36:57 +0100 (BST) Received: (from root@localhost) by emout14.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id HAA19602 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Tue, 24 Jun 1997 07:36:26 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 07:36:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970624073626_1243119117@emout14.mail.aol.com> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Doooh - lost turf shoes Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Did anybody find a pair of turf shoes in Southampton? They were in a plastic Safeway bag. The shoes are black, with red and white soles, and I think the brand was Adidas or Diadora, but amazingly enough, I am not sure. I know there weren't Nikes. (I am not Tiger Woods.) I think I left them out Saturday, but hey, I could be wrong there too. All I know is I don't have them now. Thanks for any help anyone can provide. (If no one has them, can someone give me the number for the fields?) Yours in ignorance, Stephen Young Shotgun wk: 0171-925-0862 From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Jun 24 13:23:53 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id NAA07760; Tue, 24 Jun 1997 13:07:48 +0100 (BST) Received: from dryctnath.mmu.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id NAA07751; Tue, 24 Jun 1997 13:07:43 +0100 (BST) Received: from ghondr.mmu.ac.uk by dryctnath.mmu.ac.uk with internet SMTP with ESMTP; Tue, 24 Jun 1997 13:07:34 +0100 Received: from MMU-HSS-GHONDR/SpoolDir by ghondr.mmu.ac.uk (Mercury 1.21); 24 Jun 97 13:10:34 +0100 Received: from SpoolDir by MMU-HSS-GHONDR (Mercury 1.30); 24 Jun 97 13:10:27 +0100 From: Lawrence PAULSON <94853843@mmu.ac.uk> Organization: Manchester Metropolitan University To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 13:10:24 +0100 Subject: Tour IV In Washout Disaster X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <2553E0A19F1@ghondr.mmu.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk I can't believe no-one has posted this kinda report already but... TOUR IV IN ABANDONMENT SHOCKER! For anyone who didn't get to the So'ton outdoors this weekend, the big news is that due to some incredibly bad weather between 1pm and 2pm on Sunday, the final round of games in 4th round of the Ultim8 Tour had to be abandoned. The weather had been pretty crappy all weekend, but when a massive thunderstorm interrupted the semi-finals round, and lightning was reported to have struck the pitch at one point, games were suspended for half an hour. There followed a brief period of dryness when a re-start was attempted, but soon another batch of thunderclouds had rolled in and another half an hour of torrential rain followed. At about 2pm the groundstaff declared the pitches waterlogged and unplayable, and so for the first time in memory, the tournament was abandoned, with unplayed games being declared draws. I'm sure someone from the organisers will anounce the official placings at some point soon, placings which had already been thrown into confusion by the entry of additional teams, and the late withdrawal of Shotgun II. That's the news. I'm Lawrence PAULSON. Currently sporting a Night Fever (Tight Beaver) T-Shirt 94853843@mmu.ac.uk Webpage:http://yi.com/home/Fingers6/ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Jun 24 16:45:28 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id QAA01666; Tue, 24 Jun 1997 16:28:25 +0100 (BST) Received: from amsta.leeds.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id QAA01653; Tue, 24 Jun 1997 16:28:17 +0100 (BST) Received: from newton.leeds.amsta (newton.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.64]) by amsta.leeds.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA03882 for ; Tue, 24 Jun 1997 16:28:34 +0100 (BST) Received: by newton.leeds.amsta (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id QAA19906; Tue, 24 Jun 1997 16:29:11 +0100 Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 16:29:11 +0100 From: amtsjh@amsta.leeds.ac.uk (S J Hill) Message-Id: <199706241529.QAA19906@newton.leeds.amsta> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: SOUTHAMPTON RESULTS X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Southampton Results ------------------- Fortunately (sort of!) we had got through enough games on Sunday to be able to place teams quite well (except for final games obviously). Laurence has already written some report of all that happened - and I'm not about to add to it - much. Thanks to Andy Kayley and other Skunks and Southampton players who were involved in organising the tournament. But for the weather, things were going pretty well I thought! And there's no denying that those pitches are fantastic - and even I was seen to layout (well, fall over) a couple of times. Thanks also to everyone for their patience, etc in a most unusual situation. Given that lightening apparently did hit a pitch just after we stopped play I guess it was the right decision. Obviously many people will have realised that the tournament also had a couple of hiccups before the weather hit! More thanks to everyone who said nice soothing things to me as I walked around tearing my (now-greying) hair out. Apologies to anyone (most likely to be from Shotgun or Mythago) to whom I was unduly rude! So to the results... (Dave will use these to produce the latest ranking positions and post them soon). Where teams are level, they share the average number of points for their positions. Hence for example Druids and Shotgun get 150 pts each. see you in sunny Exeter! - don't forget to PAY - the deadline has already passed - and PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE - if you are going to have to pull out, warn us early. ANYONE pulling out of Tour V too late, without EXCELLENT reason, will be disqualified from Nationals. Given the severity of the punishment, I believe that Kev is happy for the pull-out deadline to be this w/e. Si - Simon Hill ps - if you think any of this is wrong - please get in touch - we had to piece a few bits together... pps - in the "panic" there was no spirit vote. But my vote goes to Strange Blue, who late on Saturday evening accepted several people's word for it that the score between Village People and Headrush had in fact been 14-7 and NOT 14-6 as recorded (and signed for) on the score sheet. The results in the group meant that with the score at 14-7, Village and Headrush went up, with Village carrying fwd a win against Headrush; whilst had the score been 14-6 SB would have gone through, carrying fwd their win against Village. With GunII absent, the repurcusions of this decision could be as far reaching as being the difference between qualifying in the top 8 at Nationals, and not. Massive respect to SB for their legendary spirit. OK - the almost-results: 1. Druids Shotgun 3. Catch 22 Stan 5. Chevron Oxford 7. Village People Violently Happy 9. Headrush Red J 11. Squawks ----------- 12. First Touch SLUT 14. Blue AF Jedi 16. GB Juniors Strange Blue 18. Floating Bloke Mythago ------------ 20. Red (White and Blue) Lights 21. GB Women 22. Nightfever 23. Mud Culture 24. Skunks 25. Uriel (The bottom 6 were playing round robin - carrying fwd results from Saturday. As luck would have it, it was actually possible to seperate the teams despite GBW, Nightf, and Mud having a 3-way tie on games won.) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Jun 24 22:48:56 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id WAA07073; Tue, 24 Jun 1997 22:34:40 +0100 (BST) From: T.RIEG@PROFS.TEC2401.sukdslw.simis.com Received: from bath.mail.pipex.net by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id WAA07069; Tue, 24 Jun 1997 22:34:37 +0100 (BST) X400-Received: by mta bath.mail.pipex.net in /PRMD=pipex/ADMD=pipex/C=gb/; Relayed; Tue, 24 Jun 1997 22:34:10 +0100 X400-Received: by /ADMD=CWMAIL/C=GB/; Relayed; Tue, 24 Jun 1997 22:33:38 +0100 X400-Received: by /PRMD=SHELL/ADMD=GOLD 400/C=GB/; converted (ia5-text); Relayed; Tue, 24 Jun 1997 22:31:23 +0100 Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 22:31:23 +0100 X400-Originator: T.RIEG@PROFS.TEC2401.sukdslw.simis.com X400-Recipients: non-disclosure:; X400-MTS-Identifier: [/PRMD=SHELL/ADMD=GOLD 400/C=GB/;0032400006796924000004] X400-Content-Type: P2-1984 (2) Message-ID: <0032400006796924000004*@MHS> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: rules, rules, rules Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk To: GBIOASO0--X400GW OAS From: Tammo Rieg TEC/24/01, Room 520 SUKD Stanlow (+44-151-350-) phone 4172 fax 4525 Subject: rules, rules, rules Hello everybody. I've got a rules question for you which has been bugging me for a few weeks. Here's the situation: After a turnover I have picked up the disc in my own endzone. I am walking towards the line when I spot that one of my team-mates has made an early cut and is already wide open. I then accelerate and sprint to the line, bring the disc into play and throw a pass to my team-mate. My marker had been waiting on the line, but is caught by surprise. He tells me that my accelerating wasn't allowed. Question: Do I have to walk at a CONSTANT pace when bringing the disc to the line after a turnover or a pull? I personally do not see any violation of the rules or the spirit. I am not gaining an unfair advantage. I feel it was the marker's responsibility to be ready. Am I wrong? What is your view? Thanks. Tammo Chevron Tammo Rieg Technologist - Secondary Processes Stanlow Refinery Internet: t.rieg@profs.tec2401.sukdslw.simis.com From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Jun 25 10:42:28 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id KAA14330; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 10:19:49 +0100 (BST) Received: from newsgate.dircon.co.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id KAA14319; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 10:19:41 +0100 (BST) Received: from dmotive.UUCP (dmotive@localhost) by newsgate.dircon.co.uk (8.6.12/8.6.9) with UUCP id KAA05880 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 10:05:52 +0100 Date: 25 Jun 97 09:08:57 +0000 From: Jonathan Schofield Subject: Rules be damned To: BritDisc Message-ID: <970625.090857@designmotive.co.uk> X-Mailer: InterCall 1.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Tammo wrote: "Question: Do I have to walk at a CONSTANT pace when bringing=20 the disc to the line after a turnover or a pull? =20 =20 I personally do not see any violation of the rules or the=20 spirit. I am not gaining an unfair advantage. I feel=20 it was the marker's responsibility to be ready." =20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D I don't know what the rules say, but I agree with Tammo. It should be my prerogative to get to the line at whatever=20 pace I choose, just as it is my prerogative to run at whatever=20 pace I choose when the disc is in play. Slowly seems to appeal=20 more these days (when I turn up). Jonathan Shotgun From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Jun 25 11:29:59 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id LAA19042; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 11:02:04 +0100 (BST) Received: from beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA19033; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 11:02:00 +0100 (BST) Received: from mahogany.sucs.soton.ac.uk (mahogany.sucs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.129.139]) by beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.5/server) with ESMTP id LAA12512 for ; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 11:01:58 +0100 (BST) Received: (from ajk194@localhost) by mahogany.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.5/client) id LAA11432 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 11:00:24 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199706251000.LAA11432@mahogany.sucs.soton.ac.uk> Subject: Southampton's Damp Tour Event To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk (British Disc Mailing List) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 11:00:24 +0100 (BST) From: "Fergal" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Appologies for nothing sooner, I got dragged to a bit of a family emergency on Monday morning so didnt have time to mail anything before now. I would like to hold a proper Spirit vote for Southampton, so if the email contacts from each team who attended could mail me with the following: Team Name: Spirit Vote: Feel free to confer with your team mates if necessary and let me know as soon as you can. LOST PROPERTY I have loads of the damn stuff, about five bin liners full to be exact. There are (I have not inspected everything obviously): A few coats 8 pairs of boots A couple of Jumpers some Tracksuit bottoms water bottles loads of t-shirts long/short/no sleeves Vests a couple of trashed discs waterproofs Let me know of anythign specific and I will search for it. Thanks to everyone who came to the tournament, I am sorry I couldn't provide better weather and it all ended a bit badly. Special thanks to Si, for coping with the harsh decisions that had to be made on the day. Good luck to everyone at Exeter, I hope the weather will be better, (it couldn't be any worse really). Andy From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Jun 25 19:44:58 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id TAA14817; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 19:29:38 +0100 (BST) Received: from pluto.open.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id TAA14803; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 19:29:30 +0100 (BST) Received: from acsfc-mail (actually host acsfc-mail.open.ac.uk) by pluto.open.ac.uk with SMTP Local (PP); Wed, 25 Jun 1997 19:28:52 +0100 From: wmd4@student.open.ac.uk (Wayne Davey) To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 19:21:42 +0100 Subject: Rules stuff Message-ID: Organization: Open University MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-ID: X-Gateway: NASTA Gate 1.18 for FirstClass(R) Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Tammo wrote: "Question: Do I have to walk at a CONSTANT pace when bringing the disc to the line after a turnover or a pull? I personally do not see any violation of the rules or the spirit. I am not gaining an unfair advantage. I feel it was the marker's responsibility to be ready." ============================================ Jonathon agreed and so do I. I've been called back for doing this before but as far as I can see there isn't anything wrong with it. I'm just about certain that it's not commented upon in the rules. Wayne Davey On email again at last, except this time I have to pay the bills... From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Jun 26 12:05:45 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id LAA11805; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 11:44:37 +0100 (BST) Received: from [137.205.222.1] by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA11374; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 11:40:00 +0100 (BST) X-Sender: serai@mail.csv.warwick.ac.uk Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 11:42:13 +0100 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: Dave Neilson Subject: BFDF Coaching Scheme Co-ordinator Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Dear BritDisc Readers, The BFDF have some great news to announce! The BFDF Coach Education Project, led by Simon Moore, will soon be in a position to bear fruit. The 5-level Coaching Awards Scheme has been defined and the fine detail of the Level-1 Ultimate specific course will soon be completed. What does this all mean? In a nutshell, we will soon be able to qualify people as: 'BFDF/BUF certified Ultimate Coach' BUT ... before this can happen, we need somebody to co-ordinate the coaching awards scheme ... COULD THAT BE YOU? Please READ ON .... There are MANY Ultimate players out there waiting for the opportunity to formalise and improve their skills in coaching Ultimate and the main job of the new BFDF Coaching Scheme Co-ordinator will be to SELL the idea of an Ultimate coaching award to all those interested. The target launch of the Ultimate specific coaching course is September/October 1997, so the exact dates need to be fixed, booked and advertised ASAP. The new post holder will need to start straight away, but help and support are never far away. The BFDF team of Executive Officers will be on hand to advise and Simon Moore has already prepared a detailed description of the 5-level scheme which can be simply edited down into a publicity flyer. The outline job description is as follows: * schedule and publicise the Ultimate specific coaching courses; * co-ordinate bookings for the coaching courses; * maintain records of attendance & completion of course; * oversee the preparation and production of certificates; * arrange PR for wider media coverage; * explore sponsorship opportunities for the coaching scheme. More details can be provided to all those interested in taking on this exciting new role. Please contact Sam Neilson in the first instance if you would like to be considered, stating any relevant experience you may have (e.g. PR & Marketing) or particular reasons for wanting to GET INVOLVED! Looking forward to your flood of responses .... Sam Neilson National Director of the BFDF E: D.P.Neilson@warwick.ac.uk T: 01926 864 276 (evenings) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Jun 26 12:22:08 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id MAA13691; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 12:03:17 +0100 (BST) Received: from ritig1.rit.reuters.com by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id MAA13678; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 12:03:12 +0100 (BST) Received: from ritig6.rit.reuters.com by ritig1.rit.reuters.com; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/14Sep94-0947PM) id AA22332; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 07:02:06 -0400 Received: from RITIG4.rit.reuters.com (132.10.10.44) by ritig6.rit.reuters.com (Integralis SMTPRS 1.51) with SMTP id ; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 06:59:37 -0400 Received: from mr.rit.reuters.com by RITIG4.RIT.REUTERS.COM (PMDF V5.1-8 #7805) id <01IKIPTA7D28000944@RITIG4.RIT.REUTERS.COM> for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 07:02:26 EDT Received: with PMDF-MR; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 12:00:04 +0000 (GMT) Mr-Received: by mta REC.MUAS; Relayed; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 12:00:04 +0000 Mr-Received: by mta RE6; Relayed; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 12:00:05 +0000 Mr-Received: by mta RITIG4; Relayed; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 12:02:21 +0000 Disclose-Recipients: prohibited Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 12:00:04 +0000 (GMT) From: Patrick Moore Subject: Re: Southampton - message for Andy To: britdisc Message-Id: <0404001226061997/A32684/RE6/11B6D3000300*@MHS> Autoforwarded: false Mime-Version: 1.0 Importance: normal Sensitivity: Company-Confidential Ua-Content-Id: 11B6D3000300 X400-Mts-Identifier: [;0404001226061997/A32684/RE6] Hop-Count: 2 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Andy, I've got a Spirit vote from SLUT, but I don't have your e-mail address (same old gateway problem...). Can you mail me direct, and I'll reply with our vote. Thanks, Patrick -- patrick.moore@reuters.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of Reuters Ltd. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Jun 26 22:55:59 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id WAA02729; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 22:29:20 +0100 (BST) Received: from phidelta.demon.co.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id WAA02704; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 22:29:16 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 22:25:12 GMT From: Wayne@phidelta.demon.co.uk (Wayne Retter) Reply-To: Wayne@phidelta.demon.co.uk Message-Id: <6603@phidelta.demon.co.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Re: Ross on Wye 97: so far, so good... X-WWW: http://www.phidelta.demon.co.uk/ X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Lines: 8 Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk druid@phidelta.demon.co.uk (Ross on Wye 97 TD) writes: > 16 and 17 August 1997 > Ross on Wye Sports Centre, Ross on Wye, Herefordshire. > > Note to all: I want to attempt a feat of Tournament Organisation never before > accomplished: I want to have this tournament organised BEFORE I go to Vancouver! Dream on! We're talking about British Ultimate teams here! From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Jun 26 22:56:46 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id WAA02708; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 22:29:18 +0100 (BST) Received: from phidelta.demon.co.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id WAA02686; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 22:29:12 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 22:02:17 GMT From: druid@phidelta.demon.co.uk (Fluid Druids Ultimate Team) Reply-To: druid@phidelta.demon.co.uk Message-Id: <6601@phidelta.demon.co.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Cc: merrick.cardew@g4tech.co.uk Subject: Ross on Wye 97: so far, so good... X-Name: Wayne Retter, Treasurer X-Team: Ross on Wye 1997 TD X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Lines: 62 Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk 16 and 17 August 1997 Ross on Wye Sports Centre, Ross on Wye, Herefordshire. Note to all: I want to attempt a feat of Tournament Organisation never before accomplished: I want to have this tournament organised BEFORE I go to Vancouver! Teams that ARE coming (they've PAID!) 01 Fluid Druids 02 Mwnci See More info will follow soon... 03 Headrush Maps, 04 Violently Happy Schedule (?) 05 Lurkers B+B lists (for the faint hearted!) 06 GB Women 07 Mud Culture 08 Mad Kows Teams that have promised "The cheque is in the post": 09 Southampton (NOT Skunks) 10 Hombres Masters 11 Hard on Hugh III 12 Pucas response: "I'll believe it when I see it" Teams that have said "we really want to come..." 13 Funky Monks (Rich's leaving do) 14 Blue Arse Flies 15 Sneeekys 16 Tribal Desire 17..24 ???????????? response: "Do something about it, NOW!" "Nobody gets a proven place until they pay!" Cost: GBP 75.00 Pay: Wayne Retter Post to: Ross on Wye Ultimate Tournament 1997 17 Burnham Drive Reigate Surrey RH2 9HD see http://www.phidelta.demon.co.uk/fluiddruids/ for entry forms, info and the maps (when they're scanned!) PS: Dear Shotgun, please can we have the trophy back? Ta, Druids. Wayne Retter druid@phidelta.demon.co.uk Ross on Wye 1997 TD Please note that the Druids contact details have changed (see below) .......................................... : FLUID DRUIDS : : theultimatefrisbeeteam : : druid@dreamer.demon.co.uk : : http://www.dreamer.demon.co.uk/druids/ : :........................................: From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Jun 30 10:56:22 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id KAA05207; Mon, 30 Jun 1997 10:40:32 +0100 (BST) Received: from kestrel.mcg.gla.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id KAA05186; Mon, 30 Jun 1997 10:40:25 +0100 (BST) Received: from mcg1.mcg.gla.ac.uk by kestrel.mcg.gla.ac.uk (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA08925; Mon, 30 Jun 1997 10:27:14 +0100 Received: from MCG1/SpoolDir by mcg1.mcg.gla.ac.uk (Mercury 1.21); 30 Jun 97 10:40:23 +1100 Received: from SpoolDir by MCG1 (Mercury 1.21); 30 Jun 97 10:40:16 +1100 From: "David Grayson" Organization: Multimedia Communications Group To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 10:40:09 gmt+1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: The best offer in the world ever X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.40) Message-ID: <194B9320DD3@mcg1.mcg.gla.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk There are still places available for the Notre Dame du Monts tournament in France next week for any women who wish to be part of the best tournament experience ever. A whole week of partying, 1 ultimate match a day, teaching ultimate to french kids, accommodation and meals provided and sunshine. All you need is money for travel (near Nantes), holiday for the week from Sun to Sun after Exeter (no need to miss exeter) and beer and ice cream. 2 british teams going as well as French, Italian, Swiss and German teams. Get in touch if you're female and interested. No standard required, just the desire to come and have a good time. Dave. Mud Culture. \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ David Grayson Multimedia Communications Group Department of Psychology 52 Hillhead Street University of Glasgow Glasgow G12 Tel 0141 330 6237 e-mail david@mcg.gla.ac.uk /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Jun 30 11:10:46 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id KAA07515; Mon, 30 Jun 1997 10:55:23 +0100 (BST) Received: from crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id KAA07489; Mon, 30 Jun 1997 10:55:13 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 07:48:28 +0100 (BST) From: Mr R C Doswell Message-Id: <17417.199706300648@crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Received: by crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk id HAA17417; Mon, 30 Jun 1997 07:48:28 +0100 (BST) To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: BUF Events Reminder Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk British Ultimate Federation Disc Events Diary --------------------------------------------- July 1997 --------- Saturday 5 July 1997 BUF Tour V (2 days) @ Double Locks, Exeter Friday 11 July 1997 Warwick Bears 21st Reunion (3 days) TBC @ University of Warwick Saturday 12 July 1997 GB Women (squad only) practice (1 day) @ Oxford Sunday 13 July 1997 GB Open Team practice + GB Women and womens open practice (1 day) @ Witney, nr Oxford. Sunday 27 July 1997 World Ultimate Club Championships (WUCC'97) (7 days) (Non-UK event) @ Vancouver, CA August 1997 ----------- Saturday 2 August 1997 LUCC (Lurkers Ultimate Club Championships!) (2 days) TBC @ *** CANCELLED *** Sunday 10 August 1997 GB Open Team practice + GB women and womens open practice (1 day) @ TBA Saturday 16 August 1997 Ross-on-Wye (2 days) TBC @ Ross-On-Wye! Saturday 23 August 1997 1997 BDGA Championships (2 days) (Non-Ultimate) TBC Sunday 24 August 1997 EFDF European Ultimate Championships (7 days) @ Millfield School, Street, Somerset, UK September 1997 -------------- Thursday 11 September 1997 British Open (4 days) Saturday 27 September 1997 BUF National Finals (outdoor) (2 days) @ Swindon (same as Tour III) October 1997 ------------ Saturday 25 October 1997 BUF Regional Championships (3 REGIONS) (2 days) @ ***TDs required*** (date is flexible) --------------------------------------------------------------- British Ultimate Federation Disc Events Diary http://www.csv.warwick.ac.uk:5201/cgi-bin/diary Ranulf Doswell, ralf@dcs.warwick.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Jun 30 11:50:39 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id LAA13827; Mon, 30 Jun 1997 11:34:33 +0100 (BST) From: pbennison@csksoftware.com Received: from quay by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id LAA13240; Mon, 30 Jun 1997 11:29:56 +0100 (BST) Received: from Tfs by quay with smtp (Aix Smail3.1.29.1 #2) id m0widhy-0001KfC; Mon, 30 Jun 97 11:29 BST Message-Id: Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 11:27:53 +0000 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Exeter: Pick-up for Pookas, please MIME-version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: TFS Gateway /222000000/222030473/222002635/222082120/ Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk The Pookas are looking for pick-up players at Exeter this coming weekend. =20 Please e-mail or call me if interested. =20 Tx. Peter Dublin Ultimate pbennison@csksoftware.com Work: +353 1 604 6388 Home: +353 87 234 1035 From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Jul 1 10:08:38 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id JAA28900; Tue, 1 Jul 1997 09:48:49 +0100 (BST) Received: from dns0.curved-logic.com by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id JAA28862; Tue, 1 Jul 1997 09:48:40 +0100 (BST) Received: from pc15.curved-logic.com by dns0.curved-logic.com id aa25397; 1 Jul 97 9:53 GMT Received: by pc15.curved-logic.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BC8602.AECF2980@pc15.curved-logic.com>; Tue, 1 Jul 1997 09:39:34 +0100 Message-ID: <01BC8602.AECF2980@pc15.curved-logic.com> From: Kevin Lowe To: "'Britdisc'" Subject: Tour V - Exeter Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 09:39:32 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi Everyone, Every team should have paid their 40 pound entry 8 days ago, so unless I = get some responses today, we shall have a nice small tournament of 16 = teams. Please check the list to see if your team has paid, and let me = know if you see only obvious mistakes. Remember, the penalty for pulling out late (Anything after Wednesday = evening is unacceptable) is to forfeit your place at the Nationals. If = your team is doubtful, phone me now. Full details about the tournament should be available at :- www.curved-logic.com/~kevin The pages are in the process of being placed there, so they probably = won't be accessible until this evening (sorry, my boss screwed up the = access last week). The schedule for the tournament will be set on Thursday, and maybe = posted here, but following the problems of Southampton when a team = pulled out on the Friday, you should assume that your team is playing at = 9:30. The captain's meeting is at 09:00 (as usual). Team Paid Catch 22 yes GB Women yes Jedi Children yes Fluid Druids yes Village People yes Shotgun I no Red Lights no Chevron yes Uriel yes Oxford I yes Headrush yes GB Juniors no Blue Arse Flies yes Red Jesters no Violently Happy yes Night Fever yes Mad Kows no SLUT yes Skwarks yes Force Elektro no Floating Bloke no Stan yes Phat Eds no First Touch no Pookas no Hurricanes yes Kevin. --=20 | E-mail Kev@Curved-logic.com Phone (+44)1244-382371 | His vocabulary is as bad as, like, whatever. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Jul 1 22:47:55 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id WAA21209; Tue, 1 Jul 1997 22:28:59 +0100 (BST) Received: from stone.dcs.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id WAA21204; Tue, 1 Jul 1997 22:28:55 +0100 (BST) Received: from guardian.dcs.warwick.ac.uk by stone.dcs.warwick.ac.uk; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 16:49:08 +0100 (BST) Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by guardian.dcs.warwick.ac.uk; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 16:49:07 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 16:49:06 +0100 (BST) From: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Message-Id: <22562.199706261549@pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id QAA22562; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 16:49:06 +0100 (BST) To: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: BOUNCE britdisc@warwick.ac.uk: Admin request of type /\bchange\b.*\baddress\b/ at line 1 Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk >From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Jun 26 16:49:03 1997 remote from Received: from orange.easynet.co.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id QAA22533; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 16:48:56 +0100 (BST) Received: from easynet.co.uk (kiwi.easynet.co.uk [193.131.248.4]) by orange.easynet.co.uk (8.7.6/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA08829 for ; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 16:56:01 +0100 (BST) Received: (qmail 13997 invoked from network); 26 Jun 1997 15:50:19 -0000 Received: from larry.texcel.co.uk (HELO texcel.no) (195.40.103.11) by kiwi.easynet.co.uk with SMTP; 26 Jun 1997 15:50:19 -0000 Received: from andrea by texcel.no (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id QAA25484; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 16:45:59 +0100 Received: from konishi by andrea (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id QAA18872; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 16:43:01 +0100 Sender: neil@dreamer.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <33B28E04.1EFC@dreamer.demon.co.uk> Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 16:43:01 +0100 From: Neil Travers Organization: Home(ish) X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (X11; I; SunOS 5.5 sun4m) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Simon J Hill , Scott CC: BritDisc , EuroDisc Subject: New Druid contact address. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A change of person/address for the Druids contact. Please send all tournament invites etc, for the Fluid Druids (and update the BUF contact list), to : Neil Travers 5 Cross Road Uxbridge Middlesex UB8 2UQ 0973-816872 (mobile) 01895-270153 (home) 01628-422050 (work) email: druid@dreamer.demon.co.uk -- Neil Travers - work Neil Travers - home Fluid Druids, UK http://www.dreamer.demon.co.uk/ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Jul 2 13:01:15 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id MAA21696; Wed, 2 Jul 1997 12:40:20 +0100 (BST) Received: from tsunx.ctn.cogs.susx.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id MAA21689; Wed, 2 Jul 1997 12:40:18 +0100 (BST) Received: by tsunx.ctn.cogs.susx.ac.uk (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0wjNlY-000MbmC; Wed, 2 Jul 97 12:40 BST Message-Id: Subject: Lift to Exeter... To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Wed, 2 Jul 1997 12:40:07 +0100 (BST) From: "Graham Cambridge" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Is anyone driving from London to Exeter and has spare space in their car? If there is I'd much appreciate it cos I want to play but I'm kind of stranded without a motor!! Cheers, Graham C. (Mohawks/Sqawks) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Jul 2 14:17:08 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id NAA27784; Wed, 2 Jul 1997 13:38:22 +0100 (BST) Received: from mail.rmplc.net by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id NAA27772; Wed, 2 Jul 1997 13:38:16 +0100 (BST) Received: from acotgreave.rmplc.net ([172.16.27.34]) by mail.rmplc.net (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA12636 for ; Wed, 2 Jul 1997 13:38:14 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199707021238.NAA12636@mail.rmplc.net> From: "Andy Cotgreave" To: "Britdisc" Subject: Ultim8 questionnaire Date: Wed, 2 Jul 1997 13:28:01 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi all, Well, the Ultim8 tour is coming to an end, and it is time to reflect on the level of sucess of the Tour. At Exeter, we will be handing out a questionnaire for you to fill in. It is really important that we get as many people from as many different teams to fill in this questionnaire, because without feedback, we won't know what we need to change and what we need to keep the same. If you have any opinions about the Tour (and I know that lots of people have pretty strong opinions about certain aspects) then it is your responsibility to let us know what you AND YOUR CLUB feel. The following is text version of the questionnaire, which should hoopefully look okay on your mail browser. The copy we'll hand out at the weekend is much better looking, and easier to fill out. If you can't make Exeter, then fill out this questionnaire, and get it back to me before the 17th July. Also, it would be great if you could try and pass this around some of your team mates, or at least ask them what they think. If you ARE going to be at Exeter, then fill out a questionnaire at the tournament instead. If anyone wants, I can send them the glorious Word97 version of this document to look at instead. Also, if anyone has any thoughts at all, that may not fit well into the structure of the questionnaire, then I would be happy to have them, too. Thanks for your time! Andy C The questionnaire: Please take a few minutes to fill out this questionnaire - we would love to know the opinions of ALL the teams involved in the tour. This was the Tour's first year, and we definitely did some things right and some things wrong; we need to know what was liked and what was disliked in order for next year's tour to be even better. Encourage your team-mates to fill this out as well, because the more opinions we get, the better. More copies will be available from the central area over the weekend. Return filled questionnaires to Andy Cotgreave before the 17th July. PART I - GENERAL Decide how much you agree with the following statements (1 = Totally disagree, 5 = Totally agree) 1. On the whole, the tour was a good thing ____ 2. It is a good idea to have a series of tournaments, instead of several independent tournaments ____ 3.Did you end up playing more close games? YES / NO 4.It was better to play more close games ____ 5.There have not been enough other Ultimate tournaments this year ___ 6.The Tour is a good way of sorting out the seeds for the Nationals ____ 7.The Ultim8 tour has really focused on a 'season' of ultimate, with a clear aim and goal ____ 8.The Tour is discouraging the relaxed, party atmosphere of British Ultimate ____ 9.Other Ultimate tournaments have suffered as result of the Tour ____ 10.The scoring system has been fair. ____ 11.The tour has improved your club's playing skills ___ 12.The Tour is developing competitive ultimate, and improving the standard of the game in Britain ____ 13.Results and tour positions were well communicated to the Ultimate Community ____ 14.I have been aware of how many points my team has throughout the Tour Series ____ 15.Playing competitive games is more fun than playing one-sided games ____ 16.There was too much playing time at the tour, and not enough time to relax ____ 17.It was great to play so many hard fought games ____ 18.The non-Ultim8 tournaments (e.g. Milton Keynes, Nottingham, Exeter hat, etc) have not suffered because of the tour ____ PART II - HOW WOULD YOU RATE THE QUALITY AND USEFULNESS OF THE FOLLOWING PROVISIONS AT ULTIM8 TOURNAMENTS (1 = TERRIBLE, 5 = AMAZING)? First Aid Massage Communications (of scores, first games on Sundays, etc) Scheduling Parties Pitches On pitch refreshments Score boards Water containers Comments on tournament facilities: PART III - TICK THE STATEMENT YOU MOST AGREE WITH: Have you felt close (in terms of points and talent) to other teams, and seen several games as being your great 'challenges' as the tour went on OR You are always playing the same teams, and even though they are close games, they are too much of the same thing ------------------------- Exponential scoring is a good thing, and reflects that the difference in standard between the top few teams is greater than the difference in standard of the lower teams. OR The teams just above you seemed to get more points than they deserved, and once they had that lead, it was impossible to catch up again. ----------------------------- Playing more close games is great for the development of British Ultimate OR There is less spirit in the Tour now that there are more competitive games --------------------------- The Tour benefited only the Top 8 teams OR The Tour benefited all teams ---------------------------- I think the Tour is good for Ultimate OR I think the Tour is bad for Ultimate --------------------------- PART IV - COMMENTS What opinions do you have of the Tour? What do you think could have been better? What was the best thing about the Tour? And the worst? What do you think of there being a series of Tournaments instead of independent ones? What did you think about the tournament schedules? Were they too punishing, too hard, too relaxed? Did you think the tour benefited certain teams more than others, and if so, in what ways, and how could this be improved for next year? Have there been enough tournaments this year? Have there been too many Ultim8 Tour events? If you think there have been too many, how could this be changed for next year? PART V - GENERAL Please use this page for anything else you want to say about the Tour. Was it fair, was it fun, tell us what was good so we can do it again next year. Thank you very much for your time! Return to the main tent before the end of the tourney, or return to Andy Cotgreave, 196 Hollow Way, Oxford, OX4 2PP Or e-mail any thoughts to acotgreave@rmplc.net ====================== acotgreave@rmplc.net From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Jul 2 15:58:05 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id OAA04292; Wed, 2 Jul 1997 14:41:38 +0100 (BST) Received: from venus.open.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id OAA04282; Wed, 2 Jul 1997 14:41:35 +0100 (BST) Received: from msmgate3.open.ac.uk by venus with SMTP Local (MMTA v2.1); Wed, 2 Jul 1997 14:41:23 +0100 Received: by msmgate3.open.ac.uk with Microsoft Mail id <33BA6886@msmgate3.open.ac.uk>; Wed, 02 Jul 97 14:41:10 BST From: "E.C.Gonsalves -Eddie Gonsalves" To: BritDisc , Ind-Ultimate-List , Pgss-Members-List Subject: MK Youth Ultimate Open Day Date: Wed, 02 Jul 97 14:41:00 BST Message-ID: <33BA6886@msmgate3.open.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi folks Just to let you know that the Mad Kows and Milton Keynes Council Sports Development unit will be hosting a Youth Ultimate Open Day at the Open University's Sports Pavilion in Milton Keynes on the 19th July. So if you know of any youngsters between the ages of 12-18 who may be interested in popping along, let them, and then let us know. Also, if you'd like to help in any way on the day, contact us, and tell us how. Eddie Gonsalves: e.c.gonsalves@open.ac.uk (tel: 01908-654265 day/671580 eve) Laurie Ritchie: L.j.ritchie@open.ac.uk (tel: 01908-654126 day/669563 eve) Lisa Green/Gail Osborne 01908-253619 (Milton Keynes Council Sports Development) Time: 10 am - 4pm From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Jul 2 16:28:06 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id QAA12173; Wed, 2 Jul 1997 16:07:22 +0100 (BST) Received: from spsem02.sps.mot.com by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id QAA12139; Wed, 2 Jul 1997 16:07:03 +0100 (BST) Received: from mogate.sps.mot.com by spsem02.sps.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/Email 2.1 10/25/93) id AA24894 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Wed, 2 Jul 97 07:10:41 MST Received: from emailchd (emailchd.sps.mot.com) by mogate.sps.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/Email-2.0) id AA07077 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Wed, 2 Jul 97 07:10:38 MST Message-Id: <9707021410.AA07077@mogate.sps.mot.com> Received: by freestyle.adtaz.sps.mot.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id HAA14487; Wed, 2 Jul 1997 07:08:46 -0700 Date: Wed, 2 Jul 1997 07:08:46 -0700 From: tolar@adtaz.sps.mot.com (Jim Tolar) To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: pick-up possibilities X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk My wife and I will be visiting London (and the surrounding area) from July 11 through the 21st. I'd like to sample Ultimate on the other side of the ocean, if possible. Are there any relaxed scrimmages that I could get into (I'm a relative newcomer to the sport)? Jim Tolar --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jim Tolar | Phone : (602) 413-4391 Mgr., Digital Libraries | Email : rxzz90@email.sps.mot.com Unified Design System Laboratory | FAX : (602) 413-5723 Motorola (AZ34/EL714) | Pager : (800) 718-6323 2100 E. Elliot Rd. | Tempe, AZ 85284 | runner, biker, beginning swimmer --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Jul 2 16:47:48 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id QAA14582; Wed, 2 Jul 1997 16:25:35 +0100 (BST) Received: from penman.es.mq.edu.au by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id QAA14569; Wed, 2 Jul 1997 16:25:27 +0100 (BST) Received: (from hkirkup@localhost) by penman.es.mq.edu.au (8.8.3/8.8.3) id BAA05580 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Thu, 3 Jul 1997 01:25:24 +1000 (EST) From: Helen Kirkup Message-Id: <199707021525.BAA05580@penman.es.mq.edu.au> Subject: ultimate in London To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Thu, 3 Jul 1997 01:25:23 +1000 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi, I'm an Aussie who has been wandering across asia and other such places for the last few months and am now heading to London to try find some kind of job and life for a while (like Ausssies do).. I've no idea qwhat part of London i'll end up in (I'm open to suggestions here) but I have to find somewhere to play frisbee again or i think i'll go crazy in between shuffling paper and pouring beer or whatever exciting profession i find.. Can anyone help me ?? Helen (currently in Poland) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Jul 2 16:55:20 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id QAA16455; Wed, 2 Jul 1997 16:35:48 +0100 (BST) From: Wayne_Retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk Received: from smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id QAA16440; Wed, 2 Jul 1997 16:35:42 +0100 (BST) Received: from smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk (unverified [126.128.26.71]) by smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk (Integralis SMTPRS 2.04) with SMTP id ; Wed, 02 Jul 1997 16:36:11 +0100 Received: from ccMail by smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk (IMA Internet Exchange 2.1 Enterprise) id 00004F6F; Wed, 2 Jul 97 16:35:58 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 2 Jul 1997 16:32:14 +0100 Message-Id: <00004F6F.004069@watsonwyatt.co.uk> Subject: Re: MK Youth Ultimate Open Day To: BritDisc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi all Just a thought... I found the attached message informative, to me as a current ultimate player, but I wonder how many interested youths (or youth leaders) could/would get to Milton Keynes for this, especially if it's people that have been contacted via ultimate players that aren't in Milton Keynes. (eg it's a long way from Eastbourne for the new BGA kids) So, how do we get this info to people more local to Milton Keynes, and/or that aren't contacted by current ultimate players? I'm hoping/assuming that the local papers, etc. have been contacted and that the BUF Publicity Officer is involved, but seeing this message on Email gives me another idea... Electronic messages: obviously there's Email (if you know who to mail TO) and there are Web Pages (if people know where to find them, or stumble across them), but what about NEWSGROUPS ? Is it worth posting such (indeed, all) event ads to uk.sport.misc and/or (some of) the other uk.* groups ? If we do, what info do we include (email contacts, phone contacts, websites), and do we have the backup to answer the responses and run similar events elsewhere? Other peoples' thoughts and comments welcomed. (To those of you who made it this far without switching off, thanks!) Wayne Retter wayne_retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk (work) wayne@phidelta.demon.co.uk (home) Fluid Druids (who, incidentally, have got new kit! and some of it's for sale! @ Exeter!) ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: MK Youth Ultimate Open Day Author: "E.C.Gonsalves -Eddie Gonsalves" Date: 02/07/97 14:41 Hi folks Just to let you know that the Mad Kows and Milton Keynes Council Sports Development unit will be hosting a Youth Ultimate Open Day at the Open University's Sports Pavilion in Milton Keynes on the 19th July. So if you know of any youngsters between the ages of 12-18 who may be interested in popping along, let them, and then let us know. Also, if you'd like to help in any way on the day, contact us, and tell us how. Eddie Gonsalves: e.c.gonsalves@open.ac.uk (tel: 01908-654265 day/671580 eve) Laurie Ritchie: L.j.ritchie@open.ac.uk (tel: 01908-654126 day/669563 eve) Lisa Green/Gail Osborne 01908-253619 (Milton Keynes Council Sports Development) Time: 10 am - 4pm From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Jul 2 17:59:26 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id RAA25237; Wed, 2 Jul 1997 17:40:15 +0100 (BST) Received: from orange.easynet.co.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id RAA25223; Wed, 2 Jul 1997 17:40:09 +0100 (BST) Received: from easynet.co.uk (kiwi.easynet.co.uk [193.131.248.4]) by orange.easynet.co.uk (8.7.6/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA13817 for ; Wed, 2 Jul 1997 17:47:18 +0100 (BST) Received: (qmail 28775 invoked from network); 2 Jul 1997 16:41:39 -0000 Received: from larry.texcel.co.uk (HELO texcel.no) (195.40.103.11) by kiwi.easynet.co.uk with SMTP; 2 Jul 1997 16:41:39 -0000 Received: from andrea by texcel.no (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id RAA11518; Wed, 2 Jul 1997 17:34:12 +0100 Received: from konishi by andrea (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id RAA19712; Wed, 2 Jul 1997 17:31:13 +0100 Message-ID: <33BA8250.1983@dreamer.demon.co.uk> Date: Wed, 02 Jul 1997 17:31:12 +0100 From: Neil Travers Organization: Home(ish) X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (X11; I; SunOS 5.5 sun4m) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Re: ultimate in London References: <199707021525.BAA05580@penman.es.mq.edu.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Helen Kirkup wrote: > I've no idea qwhat part of London i'll end up in (I'm > open to suggestions here) but I > have to find somewhere to play frisbee again Take a look at http://www.dreamer.demon.co.uk/london/ for a list of (hopefully up-to-date) practices that happen in London. If anyone else has any updates or extra practices please use the form or email me. -- Neil Travers - work Neil Travers - home Fluid Druids, UK http://www.dreamer.demon.co.uk/ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Jul 2 18:21:51 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id SAA28295; Wed, 2 Jul 1997 18:04:49 +0100 (BST) Received: from oxmail4.ox.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id SAA28289; Wed, 2 Jul 1997 18:04:47 +0100 (BST) Received: from sable.ox.ac.uk by oxmail4 with SMTP (PP) with ESMTP; Wed, 2 Jul 1997 18:04:46 +0100 Received: from localhost (oums0030@localhost) by sable.ox.ac.uk (1.2/8.8.3) with SMTP id SAA21399 for ; Wed, 2 Jul 1997 18:04:45 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 1997 18:04:45 +0100 (BST) From: Rob Tanner Reply-To: Rob Tanner To: BritDisc Subject: Ultimate in Oxford In-Reply-To: <33BA6886@msmgate3.open.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi folks Although Oxford Ultimate hasn't got as far a proper homepage yet, Wolfson College (full of old postgrads) now has a site... If you run a web site for your Ultimate Club, please could you add a new link! Thanks. http://www.wolfson.ox.ac.uk/clubs/ultimate/ ----------===========<<<<<<<<<<< O >>>>>>>>>>>===========----------- Rob Tanner University of Oxford Tel.: (lab) +44 (0)1865 273684 Department of Materials (office) +44 (0)1865 273739 Parks Road Fax.: +44 (0)1865 273783 GB-Oxford OX1 3PH http://users.ox.ac.uk/~cerezo/RIP/STM.html#RTFToC189 ----------===========<<<<<<<<<<< O >>>>>>>>>>>===========----------- From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Jul 2 21:46:33 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id VAA17400; Wed, 2 Jul 1997 21:31:42 +0100 (BST) Received: from phidelta.demon.co.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id VAA17386; Wed, 2 Jul 1997 21:31:36 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 02 Jul 1997 21:17:52 GMT From: druid@phidelta.demon.co.uk (Ross on Wye 97 TD) Reply-To: druid@phidelta.demon.co.uk Message-Id: <6709@phidelta.demon.co.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Invitations X-Name: Wayne Retter, TD X-Team: Fluid Druids - theultimatefrisbeeteam X-WWW: http://www.dreamer.demon.co.uk/druids/ X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Lines: 25 Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk If you haven't yet received an invitation to Ross on Wye 1997 contact me VERY SOON and/or look at the WebSite at http://www.phidelta.demon.co.uk/fluiddruids/ I will be bringing more invitations to Exeter I will be accepting completed entrance forms WITH CHEQUES at Exeter Ross on Wye, 16+17 August 1997 cheques for GBP75.00 payable to WAYNE RETTER Remember, I want to have everything sorted BEFORE I go to Vancouver 3 weeks and counting.... only 12 more spaces available.... Wayne Retter Ross on Wye 97 TD ................................................ : ROSS ON WYE 97 : : theultimatefrisbeetournament : : druid@phidelta.demon.co.uk : : http://www.phidelta.demon.co.uk/fluiddruids/ : :..............................................: From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Jul 3 09:56:52 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id JAA03647; Thu, 3 Jul 1997 09:32:25 +0100 (BST) Received: from 137.205.222.1 by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id JAA03638; Thu, 3 Jul 1997 09:32:20 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <33BB6423.1C6E@mail.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 03 Jul 1997 09:34:49 +0100 From: Dave Neilson Reply-To: D.P.Neilson@csv.warwick.ac.uk Organization: Warwick Institute of Education X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: [Fwd: Re: Questions about intramural ultimate] Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------3F60C5C7F" Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------3F60C5C7F Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The following is forwarded from r.s.d ... does this suggest a way to grow the sport of Ultimate in British universities? Let me see ... 400 regular players at, say, 50 British uni's currently with Ultimate teams would give us .... 20,000 players without including schools and 'open' division players! Worth a thought given that the Sports Council have justed 'upped' their threshold of active players from 1,000 to 5,000 before granting recognition status! --------------3F60C5C7F Content-Type: message/news Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Path: warwick!news.nott.ac.uk!nott-cs!nntpfeed.doc.ic.ac.uk!sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk!server3.netnews.ja.net!baron.netcom.net.uk!netcom.net.uk!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!europa.clark.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!torn!newshost.uwo.ca!usenet From: Andrew Sit Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc Subject: Re: Questions about intramural ultimate Date: Wed, 02 Jul 1997 13:00:58 -0400 Organization: The University of Western Ontario, London, Ont. Canada Message-ID: <33BA8949.19D0CAFB@julian.uwo.ca> References: <33B9A4F6.159@vito.atmos.colostate.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: phe002.physrec.kinesiology.uwo.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) To: Sean@julian.uwo.ca, gillies@vito.atmos.colostate.edu X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: warwick rec.sport.disc:32132 Sean Gillies wrote: > Hey, > > I'd really appreciate hearing about the experiences of anyone who has > played or (even more interesting to me) organized an intramural > ultimate league at a university. I'm thinking about trying to revive > ultimate intramurals at Colorado State, and could benefit from any > advice. For example, did you find some sort of (dare I say it?) ref > to be necessary? Is there an Intramural Director at any school that > can call the IM people at CSU and say: "Ultimate is the best IM sport > ever"? > > Thanks, and have a fun fourth! I will if the Grass Roots people ever > bother to tell me where and when the games are ... > > cheers, > Sean Gillies > Colorado State Ultimate > As IM Ultimate Convenor at the University of Western Ontario in > London, Ontario, I'll throw in my .02 At UWO, the fall league consists of 24 teams (4 divisions of 6 teams) with nearly 400 participants. The league was started three years ago with 4 teams and is the fastest growing IM sport on campus. There are 3 "C" level divisions and 1 "B" level division, but I doubt that you will have the talent pool to implement this kind of setup right away. We run the league once a week (We play on Sundays) and organize socials and parties at the beginning, middle, and end of season. There is no entry fee, but we do have a default bond of $50, if you default once, you lose half of that amount, and if you default again, you lose it all and get kicked out of the league. We use UPA rules, and the only person out supervising games is the convenor. This is a very convienient set up as divisions can be set up in three hour chunks (BTW, we play timed games, two 25 minute halves) so that there is enough time to get one game off the field in time for the next. We have introduced ultimate to many people here at Western, I suggest that before the first day of the season, preferably during sign-ups, that you conduct a clinic on rules and strategy for the players. Make sure that rules are readily availible to inexperienced players (particularly the "Ultimate in Ten Simple Rules"). Maybe for the first few seasons, try running the league as a hat league to reduce attrition for inexperienced players getting frustrated and leaving the game. If you have any more questions, please don't hesitate to ask or email. Andrew Sit UWO Campus Recreation IM Ultimate Convenor --------------3F60C5C7F-- From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Jul 3 10:09:02 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id JAA06098; Thu, 3 Jul 1997 09:51:08 +0100 (BST) Received: from mail.rmplc.net by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id JAA06085; Thu, 3 Jul 1997 09:51:04 +0100 (BST) Received: from acotgreave.rmplc.net ([172.16.27.34]) by mail.rmplc.net (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA11990 for ; Thu, 3 Jul 1997 09:51:01 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199707030851.JAA11990@mail.rmplc.net> From: "Andy Cotgreave" To: "Britdisc" Subject: Fw: Ultim8 questionnaire Date: Thu, 3 Jul 1997 09:43:44 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk The Ultim8 Questionnaire is now on the U8 website at: http://www.phidelta.demon.co.uk/ultim8/question.htm It looks better on the Website than it did on my posting yesterday! Andy From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Jul 3 10:34:16 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id KAA09226; Thu, 3 Jul 1997 10:18:44 +0100 (BST) Received: from dns0.curved-logic.com by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id KAA09221; Thu, 3 Jul 1997 10:18:40 +0100 (BST) Received: from pc15.curved-logic.com by dns0.curved-logic.com id aa03216; 3 Jul 97 10:24 GMT Received: by pc15.curved-logic.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BC8799.4FB46620@pc15.curved-logic.com>; Thu, 3 Jul 1997 10:10:19 +0100 Message-ID: <01BC8799.4FB46620@pc15.curved-logic.com> From: Kevin Lowe To: "'Britdisc'" Subject: Tour V - Exeter Date: Thu, 3 Jul 1997 10:10:18 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk There are 22 teams competing in the final tour event. I'm assuming that = no Sheffield teams are turning up since I've had no cheque, and being = told they 'probably' weren't coming having finally tracked down one of = their players last night. If you are coming, phone me now! The schedule will not be issued, as it is still changing. Without a = schedule, there is no more information that needs to be sent out to = teams.=20 Please remember, captain's meeting is at 9:00, with all games starting = at 9:30.=20 There is a provisional seeding list on the web site = (www.curved-logic.com/~kevin) Matches on the Saturday for teams in the top 16 will be 3 games of at = least 90 minutes plus cap. Bottom 6 will probably be 75 minutes plus cap = (unless we go for a pool of 6, with 5 shorter games on the Saturday). See you all at Double Locks Friday night, or bright and early Saturday = morning. Kevin. (& Jennie & Jolyon) --=20 | E-mail Kev@Curved-logic.com Phone (+44)1244-382371 | Q. Which is the greater problem in the world today, Ignorance or = Apathy? | A. I don't know, and I really don't care! From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Jul 3 14:57:21 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id OAA08192; Thu, 3 Jul 1997 14:30:06 +0100 (BST) Received: from mailhub by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id OAA08167; Thu, 3 Jul 1997 14:29:58 +0100 (BST) Received: from PC.i-way.co.uk ([194.129.193.103]) by mailhub (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id OAA27079 for >; Thu, 3 Jul 1997 14:28:43 -0100 Received: by PC.i-way.co.uk with Microsoft Mail id <01BC87BE.310E7BA0@PC.i-way.co.uk>; Thu, 3 Jul 1997 14:34:19 +-100 Message-ID: <01BC87BE.310E7BA0@PC.i-way.co.uk> From: Pete Harvey To: "\"'Britdisc '\" Subject: Rides to Exeter? Date: Thu, 3 Jul 1997 14:33:58 +-100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Can anyone offer a nice young lady a lift to Exeter? She is in the Warwick area and would like to travel down on Friday evening... Cheers Harv ---- Pete Harvey Silicon Graphics ISE sgi@paramount.co.uk ---- From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Jul 4 15:01:28 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id OAA04569; Fri, 4 Jul 1997 14:31:00 +0100 (BST) Received: from venus.open.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id OAA04553; Fri, 4 Jul 1997 14:30:45 +0100 (BST) Received: from blake.open.ac.uk by venus with SMTP Local (MMTA v2.1) with ESMTP; Fri, 4 Jul 1997 14:30:31 +0100 Received: from [137.108.224.16] (ck0110g7740.open.ac.uk) by blake.open.ac.uk (Netscape Mail Server v2.0) with ESMTP id AAA29422 for ; Fri, 4 Jul 1997 14:28:35 +0100 X-Sender: trevor@blake.open.ac.uk Message-Id: Date: Fri, 4 Jul 1997 14:32:29 +0100 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: T.D.Collins@open.ac.uk (Trevor Collins) Subject: Mad Kows Contact Person......... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk FYI, The contact person for the Mad Kows has changed to: Sara Pierson email - s.j.pierson@open.ac.uk address - Sara Pierson, The Open University, Pentz Building, Walton Hall, Milton Keynes MK7 6AA. phone - home (01908) 607494 work (01908) 653433 Please contact Sara in the future. Many thanks, Trevor. Mad Kows Ultimate. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Jul 4 17:02:37 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id QAA15379; Fri, 4 Jul 1997 16:36:33 +0100 (BST) Received: from stone.dcs.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id QAA15366; Fri, 4 Jul 1997 16:36:06 +0100 (BST) Received: from guardian.dcs.warwick.ac.uk by stone.dcs.warwick.ac.uk; Fri, 4 Jul 1997 16:30:10 +0100 (BST) Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by guardian.dcs.warwick.ac.uk; Fri, 4 Jul 1997 16:30:09 +0100 (BST) Date: Fri, 4 Jul 1997 16:30:08 +0100 (BST) From: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Message-Id: <14795.199707041530@pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id QAA14795; Fri, 4 Jul 1997 16:30:08 +0100 (BST) To: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: BOUNCE britdisc@warwick.ac.uk: Admin request of type /\bchange\b.*\baddress\b/ at line 2 Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk >From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Jul 4 16:30:05 1997 remote from Received: from renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id QAA14791; Fri, 4 Jul 1997 16:30:04 +0100 (BST) Received: from arran.sms.ed.ac.uk (arran.sms.ed.ac.uk [129.215.141.2]) by renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk (8.6.13/8.6.12) with ESMTP id QAA09868 for ; Fri, 4 Jul 1997 16:30:03 +0100 Received: from SMS-ARRAN/SpoolDir by arran.sms.ed.ac.uk (Mercury 1.31); 4 Jul 97 16:26:02 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by SMS-ARRAN (Mercury 1.31); 4 Jul 97 16:25:53 +0000 From: "The Possum `*~ (hallo!)" <9466830@arran.sms.ed.ac.uk> Organization: Student Mail Service To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Fri, 4 Jul 1997 16:25:49 +0000 Subject: Sneeeky's contact X-Confirm-Reading-To: "The Possum `*~ (hallo!)" <9466830@arran.sms.ed.ac.uk> X-pmrqc: 1 Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <18F5B482FB3@arran.sms.ed.ac.uk> Hi All, A change of person/address for the Sneeeky's contact. Please send all tournament invites etc, for Sneeeky's to: Possum (Darroch Reid) 39a Mayfield Gardens Newington EDINBURGH EH9 2BX 0131-667-9205 email: D.J.Reid@sms.ed.ac.uk This is a change from Barry's contact address. He no longer lives at his contact address so please don't confuse the new tenants. If there's any trouble trying to contact other club members send you queries my way. Cheers Possum. Possum, Sneeeky's "Possum" * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Keep your smile on your face * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Jul 7 08:09:22 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id HAA03787; Mon, 7 Jul 1997 07:48:13 +0100 (BST) Received: from crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id HAA03782; Mon, 7 Jul 1997 07:48:10 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 07:48:07 +0100 (BST) From: Mr R C Doswell Message-Id: <10025.199707070648@crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Received: by crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk id HAA10025; Mon, 7 Jul 1997 07:48:07 +0100 (BST) To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: BUF Events Reminder Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk British Ultimate Federation Disc Events Diary --------------------------------------------- July 1997 --------- Friday 11 July 1997 Warwick Bears 21st Reunion (3 days) TBC @ University of Warwick Saturday 12 July 1997 GB Women (squad only) practice (1 day) @ Oxford Sunday 13 July 1997 GB Open Team practice + GB Women and womens open practice (1 day) @ Witney, nr Oxford. Sunday 27 July 1997 World Ultimate Club Championships (WUCC'97) (7 days) (Non-UK event) @ Vancouver, CA August 1997 ----------- Saturday 2 August 1997 LUCC (Lurkers Ultimate Club Championships!) (2 days) TBC @ *** CANCELLED *** Sunday 10 August 1997 GB Open Team practice + GB women and womens open practice (1 day) @ TBA Saturday 16 August 1997 Ross-on-Wye (2 days) TBC @ Ross-On-Wye! Saturday 23 August 1997 1997 BDGA Championships (2 days) (Non-Ultimate) TBC Sunday 24 August 1997 EFDF European Ultimate Championships (7 days) @ Millfield School, Street, Somerset, UK September 1997 -------------- Thursday 11 September 1997 British Open (4 days) Saturday 27 September 1997 BUF National Finals (outdoor) (2 days) @ Swindon (same as Tour III) October 1997 ------------ Saturday 25 October 1997 BUF Regional Championships (3 REGIONS) (2 days) @ ***TDs required*** (date is flexible) --------------------------------------------------------------- British Ultimate Federation Disc Events Diary http://www.csv.warwick.ac.uk:5201/cgi-bin/diary Ranulf Doswell, ralf@dcs.warwick.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Jul 7 10:32:07 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id KAA12150; Mon, 7 Jul 1997 10:11:20 +0100 (BST) Received: from irwell.zetnet.co.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id KAA12142; Mon, 7 Jul 1997 10:11:16 +0100 (BST) Received: from deansgate.zetnet.co.uk (deansgate.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.47.23]) by irwell.zetnet.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA03509; Mon, 7 Jul 1997 10:10:29 +0100 X-ZSender: t.green@zetnet.co.uk Message-ID: <1997070710042174146@zetnet.co.uk> Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 10:04:21 +0100 To: eurodisc@ira.uka.de From: Toby Green X-Mailer: ZIMACS Version 1.10c 10003244 Subject: Whitcombe Golf Classic Breaks Records Cc: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk A record-breaking weekend. Despite the miserable, grey weather, 43 players participated in the ninth Whitcombe Farm Classic over the weekend of June 28th & 29th. This was the biggest ever domestic golf tournament in the UK. Four rounds of 18 were played, two on each of the 'New' and 'Old' Courses. At the end of the first round over the New Course, Charlie Mead's 52 (11 below par) gave him a lead of 5 over Derek's 57. Sam Neilson lay third on 58. Other contenders were: Simon Luard and Rafi Freire (60); Liam Young, Conor 'Bof' Davies, and Pete Monk (61). Round two, over the Old Course, was won by Oz Freire with 53 (10 below par), with Rafi getting 55, Sean Young 56 and Derek 56. Charlie, Conor and Robin Scott made 59s. After 2 rounds: Charlie Mead - 111 Derek Robins - 113 Rafi Freire - 115 Oz Freire - 117 Sean Young - 118 Sam Neilson - 120 Conor Davies - 120 Round three: the New Course again. Charlie (57 & 168) drops another shot to Derek (56 & 169), and Andy Lucey makes a late charge to join the top flight also with 56 (& 179). Sam and Conor moved up the rankings to third equal each with a 59 (& both on 179). Rafi lost the plot with a 65 (& 180), Oz couldn't find the script at all with a 68 (& 185). Sean finished on 64 (& 182). Despite the large gap between the the top pair and the next three, all five made the top group for the final round. This group had a delayed start so that everyone else could see the final holes played, so they were not aware of Oz's 56 (& 241), and Rafi's 61 (& 241) final round scores. Nor of tyro Simon Ailes' basket-in-one at the 9th - the first ever basket-in-one at Whitcombe. We joined the final group with four to play, the last being the punishing Goolagong Dip. Charlie led by five. Derek pulled one back at the 15th, and another at the 16th, leaving a gap of three for the final hole. With a gallery of thirty, an tense atmosphere watched as Derek threw first, threading the disc through the first gap of trees above the pond, and brushing the second set of tree on the far side of the pond, landed the disc right under the basket. Huge applause. The pressure was now on Charlie. His drive was to the left right in amongst the trees at the back of the pond, but dry and in-bounds. He managed to find a gap in the trees for his second, out into the field. Surely a 25 metre lay-up, despite the steeply falling ground behind the basket would leave him with an easy putt for four and victory? However, he sensed the crowd would be disappointed with such a conservative approach, and he went for it, the disc sailing to the right of the basket and pitching down the hill for a difficult 11 metre steeply uphill putt. This time no mistake with the lay-up and the match was tied. Back to the first for the play-off. Derek pulls long, finishing in the reeds just behind the 'green' some 10 metres from the basket. Charlie pulls long too, but also left, in the OB area. Derek's lay-up leaves Charlie needing to make a long 10 metre putt - but there's no comeback, Derek wins his second Classic in a row. Final Positions: 1. Derek Robins - 224 (& 3) 2. Charlie Mead - 224 (& 4) 3. Sam Neilson - 239 4= Oz Freire - 241 Rafi Freire 6= Conor Davies - 242 Sean Young 8= Liam Young - 244 Andy Lucey 10. Simon Luard - 249 11= Pete Monk - 251 Bud Tilton 13. Jim Edwards - 252 14. Robin Scott - 264 15. Toby Green - 268 16= Terry Tenger - 272 Guy Bolton 18. Lindsay Parkin - 275 19. Simon Ailes - 281 20. Neil Pickett - 284 21. Matt Pike - 286 22. Steve Parker - 289 23= Spencer Worth - 293 Rich Sampson 25. Robin Ailes - 295 26. Richard Clegg - 302 27. Oran Stuart-Villiers - 307 28. Guy Luard - 312 29. Robin Leeburn - 323 30. Gremlin Napier - 325 31. Billy Ault - 326 32. Will Douglas - 328 33. Ali Locke - 330 34. Dan Massey - 341 35. Paul Knutton - 350 36= Mark Anstiss - 351 Phil Sweeney Also played: Ruth Lissaman (3 Rds - 253); Daniel Luton (3/248); Paul Marfleet (2/166); Nick Marfleet (2/165). In the Children's section, Oli Luton (2/169) beat Ben Bolton (2/187). Many thanks for so many turning up to make such a splendid weekend, especially to those who trekked down from Scotland. Next Whitcombe Farm Golf is September 6th and 7th. All very welcome - especially golf players from the Continent! Toby From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Jul 7 12:20:18 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id LAA24495; Mon, 7 Jul 1997 11:59:26 +0100 (BST) Received: from dns0.curved-logic.com by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id LAA24482; Mon, 7 Jul 1997 11:59:14 +0100 (BST) Received: from pc15.curved-logic.com by dns0.curved-logic.com id aa15570; 7 Jul 97 12:05 GMT Received: by pc15.curved-logic.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BC8ACC.099A4D40@pc15.curved-logic.com>; Mon, 7 Jul 1997 11:50:59 +0100 Message-ID: <01BC8ACC.099A4D40@pc15.curved-logic.com> From: Kevin Lowe To: "'Britdisc'" Subject: Results from Tour V - Exeter Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 11:50:57 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk This weekend saw the climax of the BUF Ultim8 Tour in Exeter. Thanks to everyone for coming. Sorry about the problems with the groundsman. There will be changes to ensure we do have enough toilet rolls in future, and I have a better emergency number to contact when they don't show up on time. We will also get our medical facilities sorted out for future tournaments. I forgot to thank Exeter Woodcraft Folk for doing all the food, and Double Locks for putting up with tent city. 1 Shotgun 160 2 Catch 22 140 3 Stan 120 4 Violently Happy 105 5 Druids 90 6 Oxford 75 7 Red 60 8 Chevron 50 9 First Touch 40 10 Village People 30 11 Headrush 25 12 Skwarks 20 13 Blue Arse Flies (Plate) 18 14 Jedi Children 16 15 GB Juniors 14 16 SLUT 12 17 GB Women 10 18 Force Elektro (Spirit) 8 19 Uriel (Spoon) 6 20 Night Fever 5 21 Pookas 4 22 Hurricanes 3 I'm sure Simon is going to post overall positions for the whole tour, and maybe details about qualification for the nationals. Kevin & Jennie -- | E-mail Kev@Curved-logic.com Phone (+44)1244-382371 | Q. Which is the greater problem in the world today, Ignorance or Apathy? | A. I don't know, and I really don't care! From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Jul 7 12:48:36 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id MAA27168; Mon, 7 Jul 1997 12:25:34 +0100 (BST) Received: from amsta.leeds.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id MAA27164; Mon, 7 Jul 1997 12:25:29 +0100 (BST) Received: from newton.leeds.amsta (newton.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.64]) by amsta.leeds.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA14535 for ; Mon, 7 Jul 1997 12:25:50 +0100 (BST) Received: by newton.leeds.amsta (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id MAA10572; Mon, 7 Jul 1997 12:26:45 +0100 Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 12:26:45 +0100 From: amtsjh@amsta.leeds.ac.uk (S J Hill) Message-Id: <199707071126.MAA10572@newton.leeds.amsta> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: TOUR RESULTS X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk So its all over.... The first BUF Ultim-8 Tour has finished after the last tournament in Exeter this w/e. Thanks to everyone who has had a hand in organising the tour and/or one of the events; and also to everyone who has entered and tried to follow the extra rules that have accompanied the competition. Just so that its clear - can I remind you that the TOUR is a seperate competition from Nationals - altho' we will use results from the tour to find the top 16 teams for Nats. Below is the final result of the TOUR. Dave Murray has gone to France - when he gets back he will sort out which teams are into Nationals (after everyone drops their worst score) - but I *think* the teams are the same as the tour's top 17 - (excl. GunII) altho' the order will be different in some places. Can I reiterate the request for feedback on the whole thing. Andy Cotgreave has already publisiced the questionnaire - please take time to help us if you haven't already. If you want a hard copy I have a few that weren't filled in at Exeter. We need more opinion. (Even if all you want to say is: "great - I love it" or "I don't like it because...") Enough chat, the results are below: things were turned upside down in a few places at Exeter... The Druids high-profile dismissal from the top 4 meant they ended up losing their "guaranteed" 2nd place to Catch. Red charged through their opposition when it counted to rack up a load of points and (*) take the last place in the Nationals' Premier Division. Floating Bloke failed to get a team out; leaving Jedi to nip into 17th in the tour; and take the 16th spot at Nationals (*). [(*): waiting for Dave Murray's official confirmation - but we are pretty sure about these two results.] AND not forgetting the SPIRIT - was won by STRANGE BLUE who I believe took a mammoth vote from Southampton, after already winning in Swindon. Lets not forget Stan who (if my memory serves me correctly) won SOTG in both Hitchin and Leicester and were the only team in contention with SB at the end. 1 Shotgun I 770 2 Catch 22 617.5 3 Druids 605 4 Stan 517.5 5 Oxford I 357.5 6 Violently Happy 345 7 Chevron 342.5 8 Shotgun II 280 (not entering Nationals) 9 Red 185 10 First Touch 167 11 Village People 137 12 Headrush 150 13 Strange Blue 96 14 Skwarks 79 15 SLUT 71 16 Blue Arse Flies 58 17 Jedi Children 43 18 Floating Bloke 35 19 GB Juniors 33 20 GB Women 28 21 Sneeekys 24 22 Oxford II 22 23 Playthings 18 24 Night Fever 16 25 Uriel 11.5 26=Force Elektro 8 26=Mad Kows 8 28 Mythago 7 29 Hurricanes 6 30 RWBLiW 5 31 Bliss 4.5 32 Pookas 4 33=Superfly 2 33=Mud Culture 2 35=Twin Peaks 1 35=Skunks II 1 37 Red II 0.25 cheers Si ps - if you fancy playing in a tourney before Ross - why not organise one? Its not that hard! From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Jul 7 13:17:47 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id MAA29456; Mon, 7 Jul 1997 12:54:09 +0100 (BST) Received: from amsta.leeds.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id MAA29449; Mon, 7 Jul 1997 12:54:03 +0100 (BST) Received: from newton.leeds.amsta (newton.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.64]) by amsta.leeds.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA15463 for ; Mon, 7 Jul 1997 12:54:23 +0100 (BST) Received: by newton.leeds.amsta (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id MAA10677; Mon, 7 Jul 1997 12:55:19 +0100 Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 12:55:19 +0100 From: amtsjh@amsta.leeds.ac.uk (S J Hill) Message-Id: <199707071155.MAA10677@newton.leeds.amsta> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: ok - so I'm quite tired... X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk apologies to Headrush... the points are right - but the order is wrong... 11. Headrush 150 12. Village 137 I think thats the only mistake... Si From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Jul 7 20:42:26 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id UAA05694; Mon, 7 Jul 1997 20:23:38 +0100 (BST) Received: from stone.dcs.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id UAA05689; Mon, 7 Jul 1997 20:23:35 +0100 (BST) From: Ralf Message-Id: <10694.199707071923@stone.dcs.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Bears contact change To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 20:23:31 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25 PGP2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk This should have been done a while ago, but hasn't yet... The contact address for the Bears over the summer is: James Ayrton Bluefirs 1 Holmemoor Drive Sonning Reading RG4 6TE 0118 9697576 The contact address for next year still hasn't been sorted out yet, but hopefully there will be an announcement in October. My address (if by some chance, anyone wants to contact me for diary related stuff) is: Ranulf Doswell 1 Ayr Street Lancaster LA1 3DT 01524 841291 email: ralf@fysh.org Cheers, Ralf. ____ ____ _ _ ____ .----------------------------------------. _\__ \ _\__ \ / \ / \\__/ | Ranulf Doswell | / \_/ /_ / \_/ \ / / / /___ | Computer Science, Warwick University | \ __ \\ __ \\ \ _\ \\_/ | ralf@fysh.org | \ \ \ \\ \ \ \\ \__/ \\ \ | http://www.warwick.ac.uk/~mauer/ | \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \______/ \_/ `----------------------------------------' From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Jul 9 16:20:24 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id QAA04875; Wed, 9 Jul 1997 16:02:33 +0100 (BST) Received: from bluewin.ch by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id QAA04828; Wed, 9 Jul 1997 16:01:52 +0100 (BST) Received: from [195.186.23.183] (zuh23pub183.bluewin.ch [195.186.23.183]) by bluewin.ch (8.8.5/ESMTPSMI-SVR4)?ESMTP via ESMTP id RAA02632 X-Sender: madu@pop.bluewin.ch Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 17:00:30 +0200 To: , britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: "M. Durrer" Subject: Ultimate in Kenja ??? Cc: madu@writeme.com Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk hi all, does anybody know about ultimate or disc sport played in Kenja? One of our players will be working there for one year, so if you know something, please let me know. Thanks, Marco PS: There is still place to register for our Summer pick-up Tournament, 1./2./3. of august, Sarnen Switzerland http://www.redis.ultimate.ch/summer97/ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Red I's Switzerland c/o Marco Durrer mailto:club@redis.ultimate.ch Kreuzstrasse 23 CH - 6056 Kaegiswil visit our homepage at: phone&fax: +41 41 660 45 06 http://www.redis.ultimate.ch/ mailto:madu@redis.ultimate.ch ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Jul 9 20:09:33 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id TAA24510; Wed, 9 Jul 1997 19:41:23 +0100 (BST) Received: from stone.dcs.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id TAA24505; Wed, 9 Jul 1997 19:41:14 +0100 (BST) Received: from guardian.dcs.warwick.ac.uk by stone.dcs.warwick.ac.uk; Tue, 8 Jul 1997 20:41:28 +0100 (BST) Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by guardian.dcs.warwick.ac.uk; Tue, 8 Jul 1997 20:41:27 +0100 (BST) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 20:41:26 +0100 (BST) From: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Message-Id: <21735.199707081941@pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id UAA21735; Tue, 8 Jul 1997 20:41:26 +0100 (BST) To: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: BOUNCE britdisc@warwick.ac.uk: Header field too long (>1024) Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk >From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Jul 8 20:39:02 1997 remote from Received: from wakko.efn.org by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id UAA21553; Tue, 8 Jul 1997 20:38:59 +0100 (BST) Received: from garcia.efn.org (hbh@garcia.efn.org [198.68.17.5]) by wakko.efn.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA12454; Tue, 8 Jul 1997 12:36:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (hbh@localhost) by garcia.efn.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA01453; Tue, 8 Jul 1997 12:36:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: garcia.efn.org: hbh owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 12:36:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Hal Bradley Hermanson To: DTulchin@aol.com cc: gintro@cdsnet.net, oetterd@ava.bcc.orst.edu, CHKNFD@aol.com, dcaplan@teleport.com, kgodwin@fox.nstn.ca, rickh@mckinstry.com, jay_kravitz@laobridge.ucop.edu, bob@progest.com, malekis@ccmail.orst.edu, SHAKTIBOY@aol.com, AArtemakis@aol.com, ncul@ssa1.arc.nasa.gov, OSHEA_TOM@tandem.com, arose@macromedia.com, freedman@rcm.com, sfuc-l@netcom.com, brinks@sonoma.edu, donnellt@sonoma.edu, escobar@sonoma.edu, hertz@sonoma.edu, spinderella@allegro.stanford.edu, alex@toolshed.org, coop@cdr.stanford.edu, erpage@lbl.gov, gmkaplan@hrice.com, jayvyas@netcom.com, kenny@sunrise.stanford.edu, MERVIT@aol.com, michaelg@eecs.berkeley.edu, peachy@alumni.caltech.edu, pnprice@lbl.gov, reiner.chris@epamail.epa.gov, skaplan@co.alameda.ca.us, skoehler@ttl.pactel.com, skolb@holobyte.com, Wlfsng@aol.com, Mbertin2@aol.com, ars211@is4.nyu.edu, hsuwandi@scudc.scu.edu, ALTAURKE@cabrillo.cc.ca.us, dev@tmmc.org, tourneyd@moshpit.corp.sun.com, lrstudio@sirius.com, ajlittle@ucdavis.edu, Alan.Harder@corp.sun.com, 100550.1624@compuserve.com, acc37@columbia.edu, aflores@lehman.com, ConBDav@aol.com, d0192558@infotrade.co.uk, dmm@mm-croy.mottmac.com, jmcgill@ie.oracle.com, lrsussex@pavilion.co.uk, neil@inovanet.co.uk, ozfreire@designmotive.co.uk, Raf.Freire@bristol.ac.uk, roger@kbw.co.uk, sgi@paramount.co.uk, britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk, jleeds@gargoyleweb.com, aka@sirius.com, andy@crwsf.com, brian.burt@schwab.com, comolli@itsa.ucsf.edu, heal_tom@mm.rdd.lmsc.lockheed.com, jloveman@sfsu.edu, klanik@ma.org, kretkows@sirius.com, milesjd@hooked.net, Nisselson@aol.com, petah@slip.net, pmcnitt@cea.com, geoff@eames.com, dcarta@ucsd.edu, d_and_kelli@hotmail.com, krolinso@bactc.com, zuma@whitesands.org, BADILLO@sonoma.edu, stevedugan@juno.com, UBERGIRL@aol.com, henrik@branson.org Subject: Re: "GET HO" Coed Ultimate Tourney&1997 UPA Experimental COED Series In-Reply-To: <970602125458_1889909071@emout16.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII TO: ALL TOURNEY ORGANIZERS AND COED TEAM ORGANIZERS RE: AN INVITATION TO THE GET HO COED ULTIMATE TOURNEY, PART OF THE 1997 UPA EXPERIMENTAL COED SERIES FROM: EUGENE ULTIMATE -The "Get Ho" Coed Ultimate tourney will take place in Eugene, Oregon August 9 & 10 -GET HO IS A PART OF THE 1997 UPA EXPERIMENTAL COED SERIES, THE TEAM WITH THE MOST LEGITIMATE LAYOUT SCORES AND DEFENSIVE PLAYS WILL QUALIFY FOR THE COED CELEBRATION ON LABOR DAY IN CHICAGO -40 teams coed 4/3 -bids given to first 40 teams to pay -each team will play at least 5 games (more likely 6 games) -$200 entry fee/team by July 27th to reserve spot or 1st 40 teams -pre-tourney party friday night -Saturday Party, Surf Band, Reggae, BEER -awards for most lay-outs male/female, tourney winners, Spirit of the Game Awards If interested in playing send entry fee to: Eugene Ultimate 1117 West 11th Eugene, OR 97402 Or call (541)342-1196 or return this e-mail. Thanks, Eugene Ultimate From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Jul 10 14:01:24 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id NAA10257; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 13:37:38 +0100 (BST) From: Wayne_Retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk Received: from smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id NAA10250; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 13:37:34 +0100 (BST) Received: from smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk (unverified [126.128.26.71]) by smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk (Integralis SMTPRS 2.04) with SMTP id ; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 13:37:56 +0100 Received: from ccMail by smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk (IMA Internet Exchange 2.1 Enterprise) id 00005D3A; Thu, 10 Jul 97 13:35:46 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 13:33:47 +0100 Message-Id: <00005D3A.004069@watsonwyatt.co.uk> Subject: Ross on Wye 1997 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk If you check out the WebSite at: http://www.phidelta.demon.co.uk/fluiddruids/ you'll see that spaces are now VERY short and that you'll need to be VERY quick to send in your cheque if you want to come, rather than be on the Reserve List. I'm planning on cashing the cheques next Monday (14th) and sending out the tournament information. I'm going to Canada on the July 21st and won't be back till August 6th IF YOU WANT TO COME - PUT A CHEQUE IN THE POST, NOW !!!! or start looking for a team to pick up with! Wayne Retter Ross on Wye 1997 TD wayne_retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk (work) 01737-273611 druid@phidelta.demon.co.uk (home) 01737-242109 (mobile) 0966-175173 PS: Chevron Action Flash, Pookas - I've received your cheques. WR From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Jul 10 14:53:47 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id OAA15537; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 14:28:37 +0100 (BST) From: Wayne_Retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk Received: from smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id OAA15523; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 14:28:33 +0100 (BST) Received: from smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk (unverified [126.128.26.71]) by smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk (Integralis SMTPRS 2.04) with SMTP id ; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 14:28:55 +0100 Received: from ccMail by smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk (IMA Internet Exchange 2.1 Enterprise) id 00005D6A; Thu, 10 Jul 97 14:28:46 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 14:25:32 +0100 Message-Id: <00005D6A.004069@watsonwyatt.co.uk> Subject: Outdoor Nationals 1996 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Anybody got any decent photos for Outdoor Nationals 1996 ? preferably scanned ? JPG or GIF ? thinking about an Outdoor Nationals 97 Website with a 96 results page on it... Wayne Retter wayne_retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk (work) LayoutDreams@phidelta.demon.co.uk (home) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Jul 14 08:08:35 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id HAA13839; Mon, 14 Jul 1997 07:48:12 +0100 (BST) Received: from crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id HAA13835; Mon, 14 Jul 1997 07:48:10 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 07:48:07 +0100 (BST) From: Mr R C Doswell Message-Id: <18637.199707140648@crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Received: by crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk id HAA18637; Mon, 14 Jul 1997 07:48:07 +0100 (BST) To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: BUF Events Reminder Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk British Ultimate Federation Disc Events Diary --------------------------------------------- July 1997 --------- Sunday 27 July 1997 World Ultimate Club Championships (WUCC'97) (7 days) (Non-UK event) @ Vancouver, CA August 1997 ----------- Saturday 2 August 1997 LUCC (Lurkers Ultimate Club Championships!) (2 days) TBC @ *** CANCELLED *** Sunday 10 August 1997 GB Open Team practice + GB women and womens open practice (1 day) @ TBA Saturday 16 August 1997 Ross-on-Wye (2 days) TBC @ Ross-On-Wye! Saturday 23 August 1997 1997 BDGA Championships (2 days) (Non-Ultimate) TBC Sunday 24 August 1997 EFDF European Ultimate Championships (7 days) @ Millfield School, Street, Somerset, UK September 1997 -------------- Thursday 11 September 1997 British Open (4 days) Saturday 27 September 1997 BUF National Finals (outdoor) (2 days) @ Swindon (same as Tour III) October 1997 ------------ Saturday 25 October 1997 BUF Regional Championships (3 REGIONS) (2 days) @ ***TDs required*** (date is flexible) --------------------------------------------------------------- British Ultimate Federation Disc Events Diary http://www.csv.warwick.ac.uk:5201/cgi-bin/diary Ranulf Doswell, ralf@dcs.warwick.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Jul 14 11:55:27 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id LAA29670; Mon, 14 Jul 1997 11:32:39 +0100 (BST) Received: from maila.uscs.susx.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id LAA29666; Mon, 14 Jul 1997 11:32:36 +0100 (BST) Received: from solx1.central.susx.ac.uk by maila.uscs.susx.ac.uk with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #2) id m0wniQP-000XFaC; Mon, 14 Jul 97 11:32 BST Received: by solx1.central.susx.ac.uk (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0wniOj-0002vxC; Mon, 14 Jul 97 11:30 BST Message-Id: From: mmup9@central.susx.ac.uk (Alex Bowers) Subject: Budapest Hat Tournament To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 11:30:29 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi all Dylan Cooper asked me to put this on Britdisc, it's a tournament that two of us from Brighton are going to... You can speak to him at Ross on Wye or email him at vista@[195.184.0.6] Alex > > Good thing you mentioned it . . . the 5th annual Budapest Hat tourney > will take place on 20/21 September this year. > > We promise better fields and organisation and a better time than ever > before to all comers . . . please come and swell the ranks of players > to help us make the biggest and best Budapest Hat tournament ever. In > this case bigger is better . . . . > > breakfasts, dinner and party will be provided, along with good cheer > and some surprisingly serious Ultimate - the crown of Hat Tourney > champion is becoming more and more sought after as this tournament > gains prestige. All in one of Central Europe's most vibrant and > interesting capitals. > > Come one, come all .. . contact me for information/registration . . . > > Dylan > From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Jul 14 17:52:12 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id RAA04846; Mon, 14 Jul 1997 17:20:20 +0100 (BST) Received: from amsta.leeds.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id RAA04839; Mon, 14 Jul 1997 17:19:54 +0100 (BST) Received: from newton.leeds.amsta (newton.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.64]) by amsta.leeds.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA03762 for ; Mon, 14 Jul 1997 17:20:05 +0100 (BST) Received: by newton.leeds.amsta (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id RAA23026; Mon, 14 Jul 1997 17:21:09 +0100 Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 17:21:09 +0100 From: amtsjh@amsta.leeds.ac.uk (S J Hill) Message-Id: <199707141621.RAA23026@newton.leeds.amsta> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: ultim-8 questionnaires X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk ULTIM-8 ------- Thankyou to everyone who has filled in a questionnaire - either on paper or email. If you are still planning to do so, then please do it soon - as we are meeting up this w/e to go through what we have and look at things for next year, (and beyond). There will of course be a chance to look at the plans for next year and make alterations - but it would be helpful to have your ideas beforehand. I've only seen the email response - but I would suggest that if you have any strong reservations about the tour that you let us know - otherwise your views may not be well-represented. That said, we would still like to hear everyone/anyone's views. Thanks in particular to Shotgun and Strange Blue who have both provided at least 3 independent responses each. Please help! Si, (genuinely hoping to have my weekend knackered by having to read lots of questionnaire responses.) ps - don't have time to fill in the questionnaire? then just write down your thoughts and send them to Andy, or Kev Lowe, or me. Andy: acotgreave@rmplc.net Kev: kevin.lowe@curved-logic.com me: amtsjh@amsta.leeds.ac.uk pps - don't have time even for that? then why not pick up the phone and tell me what you reckon... 0113 289 0971. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Jul 14 20:23:12 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id UAA21332; Mon, 14 Jul 1997 20:08:23 +0100 (BST) Received: from phidelta.demon.co.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id UAA21323; Mon, 14 Jul 1997 20:08:18 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 19:44:19 GMT From: druid@phidelta.demon.co.uk (Ross on Wye 97 TD) Reply-To: druid@phidelta.demon.co.uk Message-Id: <6805@phidelta.demon.co.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Ross on Wye: Teams X-Name: Wayne Retter, TD X-Team: Fluid Druids - theultimatefrisbeeteam X-WWW: http://www.dreamer.demon.co.uk/druids/ X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Lines: 35 Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi all the following teams have paid quick enough (in order) to enter Ross on Wye 97: Fluid Druids; Mwnci See; Headrush; Violently Happy; Lurkers; GB Women; Mud Culture; Mad Kows; Jedi Children; Hombres; Red Shift; Tribal Desire; UTI; Night Fever; Hard on Hugh III; Village People; Blue Arse Flies; Sneeekys; ExSneeekys; Pookas; Chevron Action Flash; GB Juniors; Strange Blue; Funky Monks, Captain's meeting is at 9.00am Saturday morning, games start at 9.15am, REAL time the following teams (in order) compose the Reserve List: Whiplash; Exxxotica Playthings. The information should go in the post to the team contacts by Wednesday night. I'm in Canada from 21 July to 7 August inclusive, so if you have any problems, especially if you get short of players (try a "Players wanted" to BritDisc) or your team falls apart completely: TELEPHONE CHRIS HUGHES on 0151-944-2629 and keep trying until you get a reply! If your team's not on this list and you REALLY want to play, try contacting the teams listed above to see if they'll let you play with them.... See you in the Hope and Anchor, Friday night? Wayne THIS IS NOT A TOUR EVENT ................................................ : ROSS ON WYE 97 : : theultimatefrisbeetournament : : druid@phidelta.demon.co.uk : : http://www.phidelta.demon.co.uk/fluiddruids/ : :..............................................: From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Jul 15 09:37:17 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id JAA15132; Tue, 15 Jul 1997 09:11:22 +0100 (BST) From: Wayne_Retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk Received: from smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id JAA15125; Tue, 15 Jul 1997 09:11:15 +0100 (BST) Received: from smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk (unverified [126.128.26.71]) by smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk (Integralis SMTPRS 2.04) with SMTP id ; Tue, 15 Jul 1997 09:11:36 +0100 Received: from ccMail by smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk (IMA Internet Exchange 2.1 Enterprise) id 00006450; Tue, 15 Jul 97 09:11:29 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 09:09:27 +0100 Message-Id: <00006450.004069@watsonwyatt.co.uk> Subject: RE>Ross on Wye- Teams To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Cc: c.hughes1@livjm.ac.uk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Looks like the weekend could be busy and full of people... ...an ideal opportunity for us to exhibit our sport Also, however, an ideal time for opportunist theives to rummage through one's belongings and remove anything of value (I'm not saying "don't trust anybody", but please be aware that this has happened before at other tournaments) Please, therefore, try not to bring anything of value that you don't really need. If you must, please try top ensure you store it out of sight Wayne Retter Ross on Wye TD druid@phidelta.demon.co.uk (home) } away 21 July - 7 August wayne_retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk (work) } away 21 July to 11 August ______________________________ Forward Header __________________________________ Subject: RE>Ross on Wye- Teams Author: Patrick Winser at ~Internet Date: 15/07/97 08:59 Wayne I just talked to Charlie, just to let you know there is a Festival in Ross from Friday night onwards for a week. It is going to be a happening weekend as the town should be bopping. Patch From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Jul 15 17:29:19 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id RAA28217; Tue, 15 Jul 1997 17:08:11 +0100 (BST) Received: from mailsun.aber.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id RAA28212; Tue, 15 Jul 1997 17:08:07 +0100 (BST) Received: from chardonnay.dcs.aber.ac.uk by mailsun.aber.ac.uk with SMTP (XTPPst-c); Tue, 15 Jul 1997 17:07:49 +0100 Message-ID: <33CBA053.7F69@aber.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 17:07:47 +0100 From: ALEX EVANS X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (X11; I; SunOS 5.5 sun4m) To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Anyone selling discs? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Ultrastars, about 10/15. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Jul 16 11:25:00 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id KAA06732; Wed, 16 Jul 1997 10:56:02 +0100 (BST) From: pbennison@csksoftware.com Received: from quay by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id KAA06703; Wed, 16 Jul 1997 10:55:48 +0100 (BST) Received: from Tfs by quay with smtp (Aix Smail3.1.29.1 #2) id m0woQnZ-0001KbC; Wed, 16 Jul 97 10:55 BST Message-Id: Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 10:52:59 +0000 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk, EuroDisc@ira.uka.de Subject: Irish times web article on Ultimate MIME-version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: TFS Gateway /222000000/222030473/222002635/222082120/ Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi all, There's been quite a lot of media and other interest in ultimate in Irelan= d in=20 the last few months. Our Easter tournament was on 'Nationwide', a national= =20 features program, and the Irish Sports Council has asked us to demonstrate=20 Ultimate as the part of their 'Get Active' campaign this summer. In today's= =20 (16/7/97) Irish Times, you can see the latest blurb on the sport. Check out http://www.irish-times.com/irish-times/paper/1997/0716/fea2.html.= =20 Failing that, go to http://www.irish-times.com, and select today's (16/7/97= )=20 edition. Scroll down about half way, and you should see a face of someone=20 wearing a yellow head band (that's me) on the left hand side of the feature= s=20 bar . Double click on the picture, and click on the the little icon just=20= to=20 the left of 'Frisbee Frenzy' article summary. The full article should come= up,=20 and then if you click on the the picture again, you'll be able to see the f= ull=20 photograph jpeg. Let's hope the interest continues! Peter Pookas Dublin Ultimate From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Jul 18 10:47:03 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id KAA06344; Fri, 18 Jul 1997 10:22:59 +0100 (BST) From: Wayne_Retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk Received: from smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id KAA06334; Fri, 18 Jul 1997 10:22:53 +0100 (BST) Received: from smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk (unverified [126.128.26.71]) by smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk (Integralis SMTPRS 2.04) with SMTP id ; Fri, 18 Jul 1997 10:23:00 +0100 Received: from ccMail by smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk (IMA Internet Exchange 2.1 Enterprise) id 00006B81; Fri, 18 Jul 97 10:22:57 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 10:21:17 +0100 Message-Id: <00006B81.004069@watsonwyatt.co.uk> Subject: Ross on Wye will have showers this year! To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Cc: c.hughes1@livjm.ac.uk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk In addition to the the usual showers at the Sports Centre (which we'll fight over when we get there!) the Ross on Wye Rowing Club have kindly agreed to let us use their showers this year. They'll be open from 5ish Saturday and 12ish to 7ish Sunday. They've got mens AND womens (separate!) changing and showering facilities. The Rowing Club is along the river (suprised?), about the same distance as from the Sports Centre to the Hope and Anchor Pub, but the other side of the pub... anybody see a plan shaping up yet? Ultimate all day; along the river to the pub; beer(s); along the river to the rowing club; beer(s); shower; beer(s); back to the Sports Centre (via the pub!) to dump kit... and they've especially asked me to tell you that their bar prices are about two-thirds of those in the Hope and Anchor. Makes you thirsty just considering it! Wayne Retter Ross on Wye 97 TD druid@phidelta.demon.co.uk (home) PS: I'll be in Vancouver from 21 July to 11 August, so phone Chris Hughes on 0151-944-2629 if you have any problems From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Jul 21 08:11:53 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id HAA23178; Mon, 21 Jul 1997 07:48:12 +0100 (BST) Received: from crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id HAA23164; Mon, 21 Jul 1997 07:48:09 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 07:48:07 +0100 (BST) From: Mr R C Doswell Message-Id: <20464.199707210648@crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Received: by crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk id HAA20464; Mon, 21 Jul 1997 07:48:07 +0100 (BST) To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: BUF Events Reminder Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk British Ultimate Federation Disc Events Diary --------------------------------------------- July 1997 --------- Sunday 27 July 1997 World Ultimate Club Championships (WUCC'97) (7 days) (Non-UK event) @ Vancouver, CA August 1997 ----------- Saturday 2 August 1997 LUCC (Lurkers Ultimate Club Championships!) (2 days) TBC @ *** CANCELLED *** Sunday 10 August 1997 GB Open Team practice + GB women and womens open practice (1 day) @ TBA Saturday 16 August 1997 Ross-on-Wye (2 days) TBC @ Ross-On-Wye! Saturday 23 August 1997 1997 BDGA Championships (2 days) (Non-Ultimate) TBC Sunday 24 August 1997 EFDF European Ultimate Championships (7 days) @ Millfield School, Street, Somerset, UK September 1997 -------------- Thursday 11 September 1997 British Open (4 days) Saturday 27 September 1997 BUF National Finals (outdoor) (2 days) @ Swindon (same as Tour III) October 1997 ------------ Saturday 25 October 1997 BUF Regional Championships (3 REGIONS) (2 days) @ ***TDs required*** (date is flexible) --------------------------------------------------------------- British Ultimate Federation Disc Events Diary http://www.csv.warwick.ac.uk:5201/cgi-bin/diary Ranulf Doswell, ralf@dcs.warwick.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Jul 22 11:29:50 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id LAA15832; Tue, 22 Jul 1997 11:04:36 +0100 (BST) Received: from hil-img-1.compuserve.com by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA15822; Tue, 22 Jul 1997 11:04:30 +0100 (BST) Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by hil-img-1.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/2.2) id GAA17182 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Tue, 22 Jul 1997 06:03:59 -0400 (EDT) Date: 22 Jul 97 06:02:10 EDT From: EATON PUBLICATION <100737.2226@compuserve.com> To: "(unknown)" Subject: Players for Ross Message-ID: <970722100209_100737.2226_EHV74-1@CompuServe.COM> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Does anyone out there who's going to Ross need/want four (talented?) players, who are looking to play, to pick up with their team. Our team (Oxford) somehow or other didn't manage to enter a team, and we want to go. Cheers Colin (Sick Boy) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Jul 22 20:06:32 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id TAA20784; Tue, 22 Jul 1997 19:47:49 +0100 (BST) Received: from irwell.zetnet.co.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id TAA20779; Tue, 22 Jul 1997 19:47:26 +0100 (BST) Received: from deansgate.zetnet.co.uk (deansgate.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.47.23]) by irwell.zetnet.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA13519 for ; Tue, 22 Jul 1997 19:47:20 +0100 X-ZSender: t.green@zetnet.co.uk Message-ID: <1997072121385874146@zetnet.co.uk> Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 21:38:58 +0100 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: Toby Green X-Mailer: ZIMACS Version 1.10c 10003244 Subject: 14 discs found at Whitcombe - become hostages shock!! Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk My 12 year old nephew, Patrick, and a friend have been spending a week on the farm, and it seems, mostly in the Goolagong. To date 10 discs have been retrieved from the water, and four from elsewhere: The following names appear on the discs: Jon SW-Bongo 0181 5677631 Jono Bolton Simon Luard Liam (two discs!) Oran Terry Pete Monk (two discs!!) Rafi Neal Pickett Marks and an unnamed yellow one. I suggest a 50p reward to my nephew for each disc should secure their return on your next visit to Whitcombe!! (If you want them mailed, let me know) See you all on September 6/7th for the next Whitcombe tournament - or in Vancouver. Toby From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Jul 23 16:14:33 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id PAA09201; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 15:45:51 +0100 (BST) From: dmurray@soton.ac.uk Received: from beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id PAA09194; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 15:45:47 +0100 (BST) Received: from ash.sucs.soton.ac.uk (ash.sucs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.128.88]) by beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.5/server) with ESMTP id PAA07989 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 15:45:44 +0100 (BST) Received: (from dmurray@localhost) by ash.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.5/client) id PAA16213 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 15:45:43 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 15:45:43 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199707231445.PAA16213@ash.sucs.soton.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: ilkley Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-MD5: 4ga6oHWxSeGCiL9tgyHpeA== Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk The dales tournament is this weekend most teams have had invites through the post this tournament is a good laugh and a laid back way to enjoy your weekend and is not as far away as you think if you are considering going can you phone the organiser tim on day- 0161 8304076 evening-0161 9296967 as soon as possible as he is panicing as he has only 2 teams confirmed and is thinking of cancelling. go on lets have a nice enjoyable we're not in vancover party dave M the unacceptable face of ultimate ps is only 5 aside outdoors so you do not need too many players From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Jul 23 16:56:47 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id QAA13901; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 16:38:23 +0100 (BST) From: dmurray@soton.ac.uk Received: from beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id QAA13894; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 16:38:10 +0100 (BST) Received: from ash.sucs.soton.ac.uk (ash.sucs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.128.88]) by beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.5/server) with ESMTP id QAA12421 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 16:38:04 +0100 (BST) Received: (from dmurray@localhost) by ash.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.5/client) id QAA16838 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 16:38:03 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 16:38:03 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199707231538.QAA16838@ash.sucs.soton.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: ilkley Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-MD5: cx80BnTgzTXCGXfGt4qgVQ== Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk remember phone Tim else the weekend will be cancelled From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Jul 23 20:07:02 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id TAA27652; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 19:47:14 +0100 (BST) Received: from oxmail4.ox.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id TAA27647; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 19:47:11 +0100 (BST) Received: from sable.ox.ac.uk by oxmail4 with SMTP (PP) with ESMTP; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 19:47:04 +0100 Received: from [192.76.27.24] (max24.public.ox.ac.uk [192.76.27.24]) by sable.ox.ac.uk (1.2/8.8.3) with SMTP id TAA13303 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 19:46:55 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 19:46:55 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199707231846.TAA13303@sable.ox.ac.uk> X-Sender: gree0226@sable.ox.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: britdisc From: andrew.vickers@Green.oxford.ac.uk (Andrew Vickers) Subject: Pick-up games in Manhattan Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Does anyone know any pick-up games in Manhattan or know how I could find out about one? I'll be there for a couple of weeks at the end of August. Andrew Vickers First Touch From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Jul 25 15:47:44 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id PAA27492; Fri, 25 Jul 1997 15:22:52 +0100 (BST) Received: from pp2.shef.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id PAA27484; Fri, 25 Jul 1997 15:22:44 +0100 (BST) Received: from dovestone.shef.ac.uk [143.167.23.253] by pp2.shef.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.62 #12) id 0wrlGR-0005G0-00; Fri, 25 Jul 1997 15:22:39 +0100 Received: from DOVESTONE/MAILQUEUE by dovestone.shef.ac.uk (Mercury 1.21); 25 Jul 97 15:22:38 +0100 Received: from MAILQUEUE by DOVESTONE (Mercury 1.30); 25 Jul 97 15:22:26 +0100 From: "J.Helmer" To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 15:22:17 +0100 Subject: Floating Bloke X-mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.31 Message-ID: <2BF05CA48E0@dovestone.shef.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk The contact address for Floating Bloke has changed to: Jamie Helmer 2 Bushbys Lane Formby Merseyside L37 2DZ Tel: (01704) 874288 From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Jul 28 08:06:37 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id HAA26700; Mon, 28 Jul 1997 07:48:11 +0100 (BST) Received: from crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id HAA26696; Mon, 28 Jul 1997 07:48:09 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 07:48:07 +0100 (BST) From: Mr R C Doswell Message-Id: <20046.199707280648@crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Received: by crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk id HAA20046; Mon, 28 Jul 1997 07:48:07 +0100 (BST) To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: BUF Events Reminder Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk British Ultimate Federation Disc Events Diary --------------------------------------------- August 1997 ----------- Saturday 2 August 1997 LUCC (Lurkers Ultimate Club Championships!) (2 days) TBC @ *** CANCELLED *** Sunday 10 August 1997 GB Open Team practice + GB women and womens open practice (1 day) @ TBA Saturday 16 August 1997 Ross-on-Wye (2 days) TBC @ Ross-On-Wye! Saturday 23 August 1997 1997 BDGA Championships (2 days) (Non-Ultimate) TBC Sunday 24 August 1997 EFDF European Ultimate Championships (7 days) @ Millfield School, Street, Somerset, UK September 1997 -------------- Thursday 11 September 1997 British Open (4 days) Saturday 27 September 1997 BUF National Finals (outdoor) (2 days) @ Swindon (same as Tour III) October 1997 ------------ Saturday 25 October 1997 BUF Regional Championships (3 REGIONS) (2 days) @ ***TDs required*** (date is flexible) --------------------------------------------------------------- British Ultimate Federation Disc Events Diary http://www.csv.warwick.ac.uk:5201/cgi-bin/diary Ranulf Doswell, ralf@dcs.warwick.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Jul 28 11:56:25 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id LAA16398; Mon, 28 Jul 1997 11:34:52 +0100 (BST) Received: from mailhost.dircon.co.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA16390; Mon, 28 Jul 1997 11:34:49 +0100 (BST) Received: from [194.112.57.69] (th-eng10-069.pool.dircon.co.uk [194.112.57.69]) by mailhost.dircon.co.uk (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA19865 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 1997 11:34:44 +0100 (BST) X-Sender: daltay@194.112.32.30 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 11:39:26 +0100 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: daltay@dircon.co.uk (Dale Taylor) Subject: Vancouver Results Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Can anyone tell me where to get the latest (hopefully daily) Vancouver results? Thanks Nolan From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Jul 28 12:56:29 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id LAA22163; Mon, 28 Jul 1997 11:58:14 +0100 (BST) Received: from nessie.mcc.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA22155; Mon, 28 Jul 1997 11:57:50 +0100 (BST) Received: from ccg.acu.man.ac.uk by nessie.mcc.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Mon, 28 Jul 1997 11:57:26 +0100 Received: from ccMail by ccg.acu.man.ac.uk (ccMail Link to SMTP R6.00.02) id AA870091062; Mon, 28 Jul 97 11:57:47 GMT Message-Id: <9707288700.AA870091062@ccg.acu.man.ac.uk> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R6.00.02 Date: Mon, 28 Jul 97 11:57:19 GMT From: admrwm To: britdisc , daltay Subject: Re: Vancouver Results MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk http://www.portal.ca/~wucc97/res_top.html carries the results split into different categories, although the website seems a little shakey, despite apparently having sponsorship from some big canadian beer co. Thus far: Shotgun have won 2, lost 0 Druids have won 1, lost 1 Catch have won 0, lost 2 (they've played the top two seeds in their pool and took 14 points from one of them) Stan have won 2, lost 0. love Rob, Chevron xxx From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Jul 28 12:57:06 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id MAA24760; Mon, 28 Jul 1997 12:24:33 +0100 (BST) Received: from venus.open.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id MAA24752; Mon, 28 Jul 1997 12:24:05 +0100 (BST) Received: from [137.108.224.100] (actually host ck7052bf7v1.open.ac.uk) by venus with SMTP Local (MMTA v2.1); Mon, 28 Jul 1997 12:23:52 +0100 X-Sender: john@blake Message-Id: Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 12:24:18 +0100 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: j.b.domingue@open.ac.uk (John Domingue) Subject: Re: Vancouver Results (www.portal.ca/~wucc97/res_top.html) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Try http://www.portal.ca/~wucc97/res_top.html john >Can anyone tell me where to get the latest (hopefully daily) Vancouver results? > >Thanks >Nolan __________________________________________________________________________ John Domingue | J.B.Domingue@open.ac.uk Knowledge Media Institute, The Open University, Milton Keynes MK7 6AA, UK Tel. +44 1908 65-5014 (Fax -3169) | WWWeb: http://kmi.open.ac.uk/~john/ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Jul 28 16:27:08 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id QAA16554; Mon, 28 Jul 1997 16:06:34 +0100 (BST) Received: from maila.uscs.susx.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id QAA16545; Mon, 28 Jul 1997 16:06:30 +0100 (BST) Received: from cs0416.central.susx.ac.uk by maila.uscs.susx.ac.uk with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #2) id m0wsrNB-000XHGC; Mon, 28 Jul 97 16:06 BST Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 16:05:23 BST From: alastair findlay To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Any teams out there want an extra player for Ross on wye cheers Ali 'Kong' Findlay (mohawk) p.s please send your generous invites to kevinbr@epunix.sussex.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Jul 29 10:25:16 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id KAA18351; Tue, 29 Jul 1997 10:01:18 +0100 (BST) Received: from nessie.mcc.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id KAA18344; Tue, 29 Jul 1997 10:01:15 +0100 (BST) Received: from ccg.acu.man.ac.uk by nessie.mcc.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Tue, 29 Jul 1997 10:00:59 +0100 Received: from ccMail by ccg.acu.man.ac.uk (ccMail Link to SMTP R6.00.02) id AA870170461; Tue, 29 Jul 97 10:01:19 GMT Message-Id: <9707298701.AA870170461@ccg.acu.man.ac.uk> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R6.00.02 Date: Tue, 29 Jul 97 10:00:39 GMT From: admrwm To: britdisc Subject: WUCC, day two MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk loathe though I am to start trying to provide a daily service to y'all, I have just looked at yesterday's results so it's only fair to pass them on. Shotgun are 3 and 1 (as I believe they say US of Stateside) they beat Ottawa UFC 19-10, Flying Saucers (SWI) 19-4, Frizzly Bears (GER) 19-8, then lost to Chain Lightning (USA) 12-19 Catch are 0 and 4 having lost 18-6 to Saucy Jack(USA), 19-14 to Big Ass Truck(USA), 19-13 to Nomads(CAN) and 19-15 to King Brown(AUS). It looks like this was a tougher pool than they had expected with evey team rallying at some point. Nomads only lost 17-15 to Saucy Jack, a team seeded 40 places above them. This is where the fun starts: Druids are 1 and 3, they lost to Hucking Foosiers(USA) 14-19, beat Tequila Disc(MEX) 19-5, then lost to Carnegie(SWD) 19-9 and Altar Boys(CAN) 19-10. As far as I can make out, this puts them in pool N, along with the aforementioned Catch 22. Heh heh. Last but by no means least, the mighty Stan go steamrolling on, carrying our standard with considerable style. They are 4 and 0 they beat Disc Wizards(SWI) 19-13, DEAD(CAN) 19-2, ALLA(USA) 19-8 and DISConnection (GER) 19-13. so there you have it. If this has been remotely useful to any of you, let me know and i'll do it again. If you all had the results hours ago via the web, well EXCUSE ME. love rob xxx chevron From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Jul 29 11:24:37 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id LAA25232; Tue, 29 Jul 1997 11:06:18 +0100 (BST) Received: from gcsin1.gecm.com by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id LAA25228; Tue, 29 Jul 1997 11:06:15 +0100 (BST) Received: from gcsin3.geccs.gecm.com by gcsin1.gecm.com; (5.65/1.1.8.2/13Mar95-0121PM) id AA26308; Tue, 29 Jul 1997 11:05:43 +0100 Received: from gcschm.geccs.gecm.com by gcsin3.geccs.gecm.com; (5.65/1.1.8.2/13Mar95-1139AM) id AA31207; Tue, 29 Jul 1997 11:05:42 +0100 Disclose-Recipients: prohibited Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 11:04:42 +0000 (GMT) From: Giles Stoddard Subject: WUCC Results Postings To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Message-Id: <2942041129071997/A00813/PLANET/11B7EAC42900*@MHS> Autoforwarded: false Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Importance: normal Ua-Content-Id: 11B7EAC42900 X400-Mts-Identifier: [;2942041129071997/A00813/PLANET] Hop-Count: 2 Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Rob, Cheers for mailing the results. I'm still living in the dark with no Web access. Keep the daily reports coming to BritDisc. Giles Tribal Desire/SLUT ------- giles.stoddard@gecm.com Wk: 0181 324 4189 Hm: 0181 950 1559 From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Jul 29 16:02:17 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id PAA19870; Tue, 29 Jul 1997 15:43:51 +0100 (BST) Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id PAA19865; Tue, 29 Jul 1997 15:43:48 +0100 (BST) Received: from lurker.demon.co.uk ([158.152.56.63]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1023560; 29 Jul 97 12:01 BST From: Howie Lurker To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Re: WUCC Results Postings Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 11:02:31 GMT Organization: LFDC Message-ID: <33decb5a.8585766@post.demon.co.uk> References: <2942041129071997/A00813/PLANET/11B7EAC42900*@MHS> In-Reply-To: <2942041129071997/A00813/PLANET/11B7EAC42900*@MHS> X-Mailer: Forte Agent .99f/16.299 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Yeah... and Rob.... don't forget to include 'Where's Bob' international masters team as it features quite a few UK players (e.g. Paul Hurt Village tart, our Richee O'Connel, Brian-I Samurai etc.)=20 Love Howie PS: Hurry up PPS: Don't worry...this PPS is not 10 pages long - anyone for cricket? ---- Bah... changed software... must copy that luverly .sig over From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Jul 30 09:24:37 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id IAA12076; Wed, 30 Jul 1997 08:59:54 +0100 (BST) Received: from dns0.curved-logic.com by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id IAA12061; Wed, 30 Jul 1997 08:59:41 +0100 (BST) Received: from pc15.curved-logic.com by dns0.curved-logic.com id aa11496; 30 Jul 97 9:10 GMT Received: by pc15.curved-logic.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BC9CC6.3C8C0C00@pc15.curved-logic.com>; Wed, 30 Jul 1997 08:54:49 +0100 Message-ID: <01BC9CC6.3C8C0C00@pc15.curved-logic.com> From: Kevin Lowe To: "'Britdisc'" Subject: WUCC Day 3 Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 08:54:47 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Since I made it into work before Rob, I'll post today's results. Shotgun finish second in their pool to retain their seeding, and go into = the top 20. They lost 13-19 to Saucey Jack (USA)(6th seeds) and beat = German champions Zamperl 19-14. Shotgun have the honour of playing top = seeds Sockeye this morning. Catch 22 won both of their games, beating Cynics (CAN) 19-15 and then in = the final match of the day, Druids by 17-16. Catch's first match today = is against Feldrenner featuring Chevron's Tammo.=20 Druids earlier beat Too Bad (CAN) 19-0 (with the letters DQ against that = game). They now meet Winnagans The format for these open games is a little confusing. Having progressed = through their opening pools, and secondary pools where they didn't play = all the games, they now move into a third set of pools. There's 4 pools = of 5 for the top 20, and then I get lost. Catch seem to be in a higher = pool than Druids. Stan continue their form by beating Farm Accidents (CAN 19-14, but lose = their first game of the championships to Princeton 11-19. Stan have two = very tough games ahead of them today against Love Handles and Smell my = Mule, both seeded ahead of them. Where's Bob finally got a win, over Aged to Perfection 16-13. They then = lost 19-12 to Dingo Dreaming. Since we're mentioning Where's Bob because they have some British = players, we should also mention Red Lights Women. They finished second = in their original pool, and have won their two opening games in their = second round pool (including German champions Milder Nordern 17-8). = Biggest test will be this morning when they meet Lady Godiva. Kevin. --=20 | E-mail Kev@Curved-logic.com Phone (+44)1244-382371 | | There's so much comedy on television. Does that cause comedy in=20 | the streets? -- Dick Cavett, mocking the TV-violence debate From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Jul 30 09:49:48 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id JAA15185; Wed, 30 Jul 1997 09:30:39 +0100 (BST) Received: from dns0.curved-logic.com by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id JAA15175; Wed, 30 Jul 1997 09:30:35 +0100 (BST) Received: from pc15.curved-logic.com by dns0.curved-logic.com id aa11584; 30 Jul 97 9:43 GMT Received: by pc15.curved-logic.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BC9CCA.CD7ED720@pc15.curved-logic.com>; Wed, 30 Jul 1997 09:27:30 +0100 Message-ID: <01BC9CCA.CD7ED720@pc15.curved-logic.com> From: Kevin Lowe To: "'Britdisc'" Subject: WUCC Day 3 - again Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 09:27:28 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk OK, I'm less confused now. Teams from Divsion 2 in the Open division looked like they were in pools = of 4, but=20 really that was a mini knockout, so they only played two games (semi and = final).=20 Druids versus Catch was such an important game with the winners going up = into=20 the 21-35 group, and the losers going into 36-50. Catch 22 won it in = sudden death=20 by a single point. I wonder if there were any 'heated' discussions = towards the end=20 of that game? So, it now breaks down to... Shotgun cannot finish worse than 20th, = Catch 22 no=20 worse than 35th and Druids no better than 36th. The competition is now = split into=20 4 pools of 5 for the top 20 teams, and 3 pools of 5 for 21 to 35 and 36 = to 50.=20 Shotgun's pool looks like this :- Sockeye (1), Carnegie (8), Randall's Island (9), Red Lights (16), = Shotgun (17).=20 Catch's pool is :- Feldrenner (21), Orange Crush (26), Team 42 (27), Wild Colonial = Boys(31), Catch 22 (33). Druid's pool is :- Druids (38), Yanomamis (39), King Brown (44), Gummibears (45), = Winnipagans (50). I hope this helps anyone trying to follow the web site. Some notes on = how the format works would have been helpful from them (or did I just = not find the right link?) Kevin. --=20 | E-mail Kev@Curved-logic.com Phone (+44)1244-382371 | | There's so much comedy on television. Does that cause comedy in=20 | the streets? -- Dick Cavett, mocking the TV-violence debate From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Jul 30 09:56:35 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id JAA16179; Wed, 30 Jul 1997 09:40:33 +0100 (BST) Received: from admin.company-net.co.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id JAA16169; Wed, 30 Jul 1997 09:40:27 +0100 (BST) Received: by admin.company-net.co.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Wed, 30 Jul 1997 09:42:11 +0100 Message-ID: From: richard To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Catch Get Their Act Together Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 09:42:04 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BC9CCC.DAB04DA0" Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------ =_NextPart_000_01BC9CCC.DAB04DA0 Content-Type: text/plain Sorry if this has already been posted, but I couldn't resist it ..... Catch 22 Round 2 Pool N Date Time Field Opponent For Against Tuesday 1240 21 Cynics (CAN) 19 15 Tuesday 1650 22 Druids (GBR) 17 16 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 17-16 to Catch against the Druids! Maybe there is a God after all. 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(fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk I am currently doing research for my Master's degree in sport studies and I am interested in hearing from non-American women involved in frisbee/ ultimate or other flying disc, or other team sports. I am looking for participants who have had an experience of spirituality while engaging in physical activity, sport, dance or the martial arts. If this topic interests you and you would like to volunteer (total time commitment is less than 30 minutes from the convienence of your computer) then please visit the following web page and complete the questionnaire in part 1. Thank You http://www.wileyweb.com/sportspirit ************************************************************************* Deborah Hambly c/o of PERGSS Dept. Of Physical Education and Sports Studies Van Vliet Center University of Alberta Edmonton, Alberta T6G 2H9 CANADA ************************************************************************** From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Jul 31 09:40:54 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id JAA28498; Thu, 31 Jul 1997 09:23:49 +0100 (BST) Received: from dns0.curved-logic.com by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id JAA28442; Thu, 31 Jul 1997 09:23:08 +0100 (BST) Received: from pc15.curved-logic.com by dns0.curved-logic.com id aa13929; 31 Jul 97 9:27 GMT Received: by pc15.curved-logic.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BC9D91.BB170CC0@pc15.curved-logic.com>; Thu, 31 Jul 1997 09:11:29 +0100 Message-ID: <01BC9D91.BB170CC0@pc15.curved-logic.com> From: Kevin Lowe To: "'Britdisc'" Subject: WUCC Day 4 Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 09:11:28 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Not a great day for British teams, but that wasn't surprising given who they had to play. Shotgun lost both of their games, losing to top seeds Sockeye 19-6, and to Randall's Island 19-10. Hopefully, they can pull off a win today against the European teams of Carnegie or Red Lights. Catch 22 lost 19-7 to Feldrenner and 16-12 to Team 42 (Both from Germany). Today they face Orange Crush and Wld Colonial Boys. Druids beat Winnipagans 17-11, but went down 16-14 to Gummibears. Today they face King Brown and Yanomamis. Stan lost to the higher seeds of Smell My Mule 19-14 and Lovehandles 19-7. They have an easier game today against Esoterics, which should leave them 4th in the pool. Who knows if there will be quarter-finals or go straight to the semis? Where's Bob continued their form by losing o Caliente 19-10 and Seven Sages 19- 9. Their final pool match is against Beyonders. In the women's competition, Red Lights beat Stella 17-9, but went down 17-4 to Lady Godiva. Final match against Seven Green Bottles will decide which of them finishes second in the pool. Overall in the women's, Lady Godiva, Ozone, Spirals (Japan), Women on the Virge and Schwa have yet to lose a game, with Lady Godiva looking the most impressive by not letting any of their opponents get into double figures. Kevin. -- | E-mail Kev@Curved-logic.com Phone (+44)1244-382371 | Silence is better than unmeaning words - Pythagoras From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Jul 31 17:27:36 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id RAA10962; Thu, 31 Jul 1997 17:00:52 +0100 (BST) Received: from sums2.reading.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id RAA10941; Thu, 31 Jul 1997 17:00:21 +0100 (BST) Received: from suma3.rdg.ac.uk (actually host suma3-e3.rdg.ac.uk) by sums2.rdg.ac.uk with ESMTP; Thu, 31 Jul 1997 17:00:03 +0100 Received: from localhost by suma3.rdg.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA07058; Thu, 31 Jul 1997 17:00:01 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 17:00:00 +0100 (BST) From: Sally Marion Hillson To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Reading ??????? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/PLAIN; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk A message to anyone at Reading University or those in the Reading area: There is going to be an Ultimate club starting in October 97 and anyone interested should email Sally on aeu96smh@reading.ac.uk Hopefully this should be a great success if we can drum up enough interest. Thanks. ------------------------ Sally HILLSON University of Reading From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Jul 31 18:18:13 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id SAA15950; Thu, 31 Jul 1997 18:02:32 +0100 (BST) Received: from mailhost.dircon.co.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id SAA15940; Thu, 31 Jul 1997 18:02:23 +0100 (BST) Received: from [194.112.57.27] (th-eng10-027.pool.dircon.co.uk [194.112.57.27]) by mailhost.dircon.co.uk (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA20653 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 1997 18:02:16 +0100 (BST) X-Sender: daltay@194.112.32.30 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 18:07:01 +0100 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: admin@daletaylor.co.uk (Dale Taylor) Subject: British Open 1997 Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Dear All, This year's British Open will be on 11th to 14th September, here in Eastbourne. An all inclusive entry will be GBP140 per team and a deposit of GBP40 will secure your entry. Up until the end of August, you may also reserve a place at the tournament for seven days by Telephone or Email, provided that a cheque for the deposit arrives during that seven days. If you are registered with the BUF, you will be receiving an invitation by post this week. The website URL for the BritOpen97 is... www.tradeworld.co.uk/open97 Email should be addressed to... open97@daletaylor.co.uk You can telephone me about the Open on... +44 (0) 1323 430700 Snail mail address is... British Open Administration Office, 43 Gildredge Road, Eastbourne, East Sussex, BN21 4RY, England I look forward to hearing from you. Best wishes Nolan From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Aug 1 09:19:46 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id JAA24406; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 09:02:24 +0100 (BST) Received: from dns0.curved-logic.com by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id JAA24402; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 09:02:20 +0100 (BST) Received: from pc15.curved-logic.com by dns0.curved-logic.com id aa16261; 1 Aug 97 9:16 GMT Received: by pc15.curved-logic.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BC9E59.7040BCA0@pc15.curved-logic.com>; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 09:01:03 +0100 Message-ID: <01BC9E59.7040BCA0@pc15.curved-logic.com> From: Kevin Lowe To: "'Britdisc'" Subject: WUCC Day 5 Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 09:01:01 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Day 5 saw another day of very few wins for British teams. With just one = day of play left for our teams, these are the current positions. Shotgun finished bottom of their final pool, but put in some good = performances against the Dutch Red Lights (15-19) and Sweden's Carnegie = (16-19). Shotgun now play their final two games against Big Ass Truck, = and either Nomads or Boulder Beer. They have to win both to retain their = original seeding of 17th. Losing both would see them finish 20th = overall. Catch 22 lost their two remaining pool matches to Orange Crush 12-18 and = Wild Colonial Boys 8-19. They now play against Mephisto and Frizzly = Bears to decide positions 33-35. Catch were seeded 35th, so have to win = a game to better their seeding. Druids lost a close game to King Brown 16-19, and beat Yanomamis 19-9. = They now face Tequilla Disc and Cynics to decide positions 42-44. = Originally seeded 28th, I can't see them being too happy with their = results. At the top of the competition, Sockeye (1) now meet Canada's Furious = George (16) in one semi-final, and Double Happiness (2) meet Refugees = (3). The only upset was Furious George beating Chain Lightning 19-12 to = stop it being all-American semis. Stan won their final pool match as expected against Esoterics 19-10, and = went into the quarter-finals against the top team from the other = pool(after a 3 way tie at the top), Beyonders. Stan lost 6-19, so they = move into the 5-8 group playing Vitamin I first. Where's Bob finished off their pool losing to Beyonders 10-19 (better = score than Stan achieved against them). With just one win in the pool, = Where's Bob now play DEAD in the 17-20 section. In the Women's competition, Red Lights pulled off a sudden Death win = over Seven Green Bottles (15-14) to put them into the quarter-finals. = There they dispatched Rare Air 14-11, and now meet Women on the Verge in = the semi finals. The other semi final will be between Lady Godiva and = Schwa. Kevin. PS I'm away until Tuesday, so someone else will have to do tomorrow's = results. --=20 | E-mail Kev@Curved-logic.com Phone (+44)1244-382371 | | The optimist believes that we live in the best of all possible worlds | and the pessimist fears that this is true - James Branch Cabell From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Aug 1 10:01:49 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id JAA27434; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 09:45:20 +0100 (BST) Received: from igwpc5.paribas.com by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id JAA27425; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 09:45:17 +0100 (BST) Received: from igwpc4.paribas.com (unverified [155.140.123.61]) by igwpc5.paribas.com (Integralis SMTPRS 2.04) with SMTP id ; Fri, 01 Aug 1997 09:18:25 +0000 Received: from ccMail by igwpc4.paribas.com (IMA Internet Exchange 2.1 Enterprise) id 000349C5; Fri, 1 Aug 97 09:30:20 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 09:18:46 +0100 Message-Id: <000349C5.3111@paribas.com> From: Matthew_PORTER@paribas.com (Matthew PORTER) Subject: Patch? To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Did I see Patch (the man's a French Canadian...) from Druids on TV last night? Was he really talking about obtaining cheap flights by going accross as a courier? From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Aug 1 10:15:27 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id JAA28335; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 09:59:35 +0100 (BST) Received: from versailles.quidnunc.com by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id JAA28314; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 09:59:21 +0100 (BST) Received: by versailles.quidnunc.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.993.5) id <01BC9E61.E4B0A750@versailles.quidnunc.com>; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 10:01:34 +0100 Message-ID: From: Leon Phua To: "'britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk'" Subject: neilc@quidnunc.com Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 10:01:33 +0100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.993.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Could you please remove 'neilc@quidnunc.com' from your mailing list with immediate effect? He no longer works for the company. Thanks 8-) ---------- From: System Administrator[SMTP:postmaster@quidnunc.com] Sent: 01 August 1997 10:00 To: Leon Phua Subject: Notification: Inbound Mail Failure - Address not found A mail message was not sent because the following address(es) could not be found: neilc@quidnunc.com The message that caused this notification was: To: From: Subject: Patch? From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Aug 4 08:07:45 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id HAA11810; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 07:48:11 +0100 (BST) Received: from crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id HAA11806; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 07:48:08 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 07:48:06 +0100 (BST) From: Mr R C Doswell Message-Id: <24226.199708040648@crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Received: by crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk id HAA24226; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 07:48:06 +0100 (BST) To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: BUF Events Reminder Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk British Ultimate Federation Disc Events Diary --------------------------------------------- August 1997 ----------- Sunday 10 August 1997 GB Open Team practice + GB women and womens open practice (1 day) @ TBA Saturday 16 August 1997 Ross-on-Wye (2 days) TBC @ Ross-On-Wye! Saturday 23 August 1997 1997 BDGA Championships (2 days) (Non-Ultimate) TBC Sunday 24 August 1997 EFDF European Ultimate Championships (7 days) @ Millfield School, Street, Somerset, UK September 1997 -------------- Thursday 11 September 1997 British Open (4 days) Saturday 27 September 1997 BUF National Finals (outdoor) (2 days) @ Swindon (same as Tour III) October 1997 ------------ Saturday 25 October 1997 BUF Regional Championships (3 REGIONS) (2 days) @ ***TDs required*** (date is flexible) --------------------------------------------------------------- British Ultimate Federation Disc Events Diary http://www.csv.warwick.ac.uk:5201/cgi-bin/diary Ranulf Doswell, ralf@dcs.warwick.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Aug 6 10:55:17 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id KAA00555; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 10:32:01 +0100 (BST) Received: from ntintel2.webleicester.co.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id KAA00530; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 10:31:54 +0100 (BST) Received: from www.ultimateweb.co.uk (www.ultimateweb.co.uk [195.134.2.8]) by ntintel2.webleicester.co.uk (NTMail 3.02.13) with ESMTP id ya004002 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 10:31:37 +0100 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 10:28:59 +0100 Message-ID: <01BCA253.8D399E00.scott@ultimateweb.co.uk> From: Ian Scotland Reply-To: "scott@ultimateweb.co.uk" To: "'Britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk'" Subject: BUF Web Site Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 10:28:57 +0100 Organization: ultimateweb X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4128 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk For all those on Britdisc who have web access........ The BUF web site has moved! It is now at the following location:- http://www.ultimateweb.co.uk/buf/ Don't worry if you go to the old site as you will be redirected to the = new location. The move has been prompted due to a number of factors; - The BUF will have much more control and flexibility in the maintenance = of the site - It is on a commercial server so site sponsorship becomes an option - The update of team contacts will become much easier and hence more = accurate The BUF would like to thank Dave MacKay for his support and hosting of = the BUF web site up until this point. Cheers Scott From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Aug 6 14:44:11 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id OAA25824; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 14:23:10 +0100 (BST) Received: from wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id OAA25794; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 14:22:57 +0100 (BST) Received: by wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk (UK-Smail 3.1.25.1/15) id ; Wed, 6 Aug 97 14:22 BST Message-Id: Date: Wed, 6 Aug 97 14:22 BST From: mackay@mrao.cam.ac.uk (David J.C. MacKay) To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk, frisbee@mrao.cam.ac.uk Subject: Discs for Juniors, Discs for All Cc: mackay@mrao.cam.ac.uk Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Dear Britdisc, I just imported another 300 Ultrastars, and also a few Sky-Pros (which are small discs, about 125 g, possibly useful for tiny juniors under 10 years; you can also play DDC and guts with them). I would like to promote Juniors Ultimate, so I am offering Ultrastars to people running juniors teams at a low price --- a price made possible by huge previous sales to british ultimate teams, Thanks all! I really encourage all britdiscers to try starting your own junior team. My experience with starting junior ultimate has been really good -- I just got in touch with my local youth group organisers and started a weekly ultimate session, with occasional one-off ultimate events at youth club barbeques, etc. The kids love it! A large youth base is the future of british ultimate. Disc Prices for juniors and people who coach junior teams *** --------------------------------------------------------- Ultrastars 4 pounds each, or 30 pounds for 8. Sky-pros 1.50 pounds. *** note, Spirit of the Game applies: Discs sold at these prices should be given to juniors or sold to them at the same price. Disc Prices for rest of the world --------------------------------- Ultrastars 7 pounds each. Sky-pros 1.50 pounds. --------------------------------------------------------------- Ultrastar Colours available: white, orange and black discs; various hotstamp colours. All Ultrastars feature the `Play Ultimate' fractal design. (which can be seen on the Strange Blue web page, wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk/ultimate/) Skypros: white, orange and bright yellow/green. --------------------------------------------------------------- Please email me if you want discs and I will bring them to Ross on Wye for you. Yours, David ========================================================================== David J.C. MacKay email: mackay@mrao.cam.ac.uk www: http://wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk/mackay/ Cavendish Laboratory, tel: (01223) 339852 fax: 354599 home: 276411 Madingley Road, international code: +44 1223 Cambridge CB3 0HE. U.K. room: 982 Rutherford Building ------------ At Newton Inst: 330536 ------------- From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Aug 7 08:07:12 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id HAA05014; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 07:51:32 +0100 (BST) Received: from f28.hotmail.com by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id HAA05010; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 07:51:27 +0100 (BST) Received: (from root@localhost) by f28.hotmail.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA15840; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 23:50:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708070650.XAA15840@f28.hotmail.com> Received: from 152.158.32.129 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 06 Aug 1997 23:50:48 PDT X-Originating-IP: [152.158.32.129] From: "(minou)alessandra zilahi" To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Fwd: London, England Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 06 Aug 1997 23:50:48 PDT Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk >From eurodisc-request@ira.uka.de Wed Aug 6 12:03:21 1997 >Received: from adeskgate.autodesk.com by iraun1 with SMTP (PP); > Wed, 6 Aug 1997 20:07:08 +0200 >Received: from autodesk.autodesk.com by adeskgate.autodesk.com (8.6.12/SMI-5.3) > with ESMTP id LAA29640; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 11:07:02 -0700 >Received: from vector.eur.autodesk.com by autodesk.autodesk.com (8.6.12/4.4BSD) > with ESMTP id LAA27814; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 11:06:45 -0700 >Received: from esc-ccs by vector.eur.autodesk.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) > id UAA06138; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 20:02:58 +0200 >Received: from ccMail by esc-ccs (SMTPLINK V2.10.05) id AA870921224; > Wed, 06 Aug 97 17:46:58 MET >Date: Wed, 06 Aug 97 17:46:58 MET >From: Filippo Fiorani >Encoding: 11 Text >Message-Id: <9707068709.AA870921224@esc-ccs> >To: Eurodisc@ira.uka.de >Subject: London, England > > > Hi all! > > I'll be in London from Monday, Sept 22 until Thursday, Sept 25 to > attend a training, so I was thinking to fly over the Friday before and > spend a weekend in London. > > Is there anything going on that weekend? > > Cheers > Pippo > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Aug 8 13:16:24 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id MAA04934; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 12:49:03 +0100 (BST) Received: from leofric.coventry.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id MAA04928; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 12:48:50 +0100 (BST) Received: (from shipley@localhost) by leofric.coventry.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.6.11) id MAA03506; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 12:48:50 +0100 (BST) Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 12:48:50 +0100 (BST) From: Steve Shipley X-Sender: shipley@leofric To: Britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Men + Juniors wanted Sunday Whitney In-Reply-To: <01BCA253.8D399E00.scott@ultimateweb.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk I've been asked to pass on a message saying that: 'Men and juniors are welcome to come along to the GB womens' practice on Sunday in Whitney for (some drills and) games. Time 11am-4pm.' PS no gags about me wanting men and juniors on Sunday in Whitney please. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Aug 8 13:19:39 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id NAA05778; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 13:00:03 +0100 (BST) Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id MAA05768; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 12:59:52 +0100 (BST) Received: from lurker.demon.co.uk ([158.152.56.63]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1301755; 8 Aug 97 12:50 BST From: Howie Lurker To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Invite: Pick up with Lurkers at Ross Date: Fri, 08 Aug 1997 11:51:30 GMT Organization: LFDC Message-ID: <33ed07f8.10253893@post.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: Forte Agent .99f/16.299 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hello Everyone, If you would like to play at Ross you would be welcome to pick up with us Lurkers. If you are a definate 'yes' to be on the line at 09:15 Saturday morning (or at the bar Friday night) then please ring Mark Thomas during work hours on 0181-287 6616 or at home on 0181-767 0358. Luv you all lots, Howie x x. __ @ Lurkers Flying Disc Club / / --- (( ( ( ( 0 " A Dive Would Have Done It " ___/| Ultimate Matured in England For 13 Years / howard@lurker.demon.co.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Aug 8 13:57:14 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id NAA08465; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 13:34:17 +0100 (BST) Received: from leofric.coventry.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id NAA08457; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 13:34:10 +0100 (BST) Received: (from shipley@localhost) by leofric.coventry.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.6.11) id NAA22151; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 13:34:10 +0100 (BST) Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 13:34:10 +0100 (BST) From: Steve Shipley X-Sender: shipley@leofric To: Britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Men + juniors wanted Sunday Whitney Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk I've been asked to pass on the following message: 'Men and juniors are welcome to come along to the GB womens' practice for some games (and drills), time - 11am-4pm.' I think they want some practice matches. Steve PS no gags about me wanting men and juniors on Sunday in Whitney. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Aug 11 08:14:04 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id HAA11461; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 07:48:19 +0100 (BST) Received: from crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id HAA11456; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 07:48:11 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 07:48:08 +0100 (BST) From: Mr R C Doswell Message-Id: <2518.199708110648@crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Received: by crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk id HAA02518; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 07:48:08 +0100 (BST) To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: BUF Events Reminder Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk British Ultimate Federation Disc Events Diary --------------------------------------------- August 1997 ----------- Saturday 16 August 1997 Ross-on-Wye (2 days) TBC @ Ross-On-Wye! Saturday 23 August 1997 1997 BDGA Championships (2 days) (Non-Ultimate) TBC Sunday 24 August 1997 EFDF European Ultimate Championships (7 days) @ Millfield School, Street, Somerset, UK September 1997 -------------- Thursday 11 September 1997 British Open (4 days) Saturday 27 September 1997 BUF National Finals (outdoor) (2 days) @ Swindon (same as Tour III) October 1997 ------------ Saturday 25 October 1997 BUF Regional Championships (3 REGIONS) (2 days) @ ***TDs required*** (date is flexible) --------------------------------------------------------------- British Ultimate Federation Disc Events Diary http://www.csv.warwick.ac.uk:5201/cgi-bin/diary Ranulf Doswell, ralf@dcs.warwick.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Aug 11 21:56:53 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id VAA15630; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 21:39:49 +0100 (BST) Received: from phidelta.demon.co.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id VAA15623; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 21:39:40 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 18:14:02 GMT From: druid@phidelta.demon.co.uk (Ross on Wye 97 TD) Reply-To: druid@phidelta.demon.co.uk Message-Id: <6940@phidelta.demon.co.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: FAO Shotgun (esp Nick Haslam) X-Name: Wayne Retter, TD X-Team: Fluid Druids - theultimatefrisbeeteam X-WWW: http://www.dreamer.demon.co.uk/druids/ X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Lines: 19 Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Please can we have the Ross trophy back... either bring it to LUS on Tuesday night and give it to myself or Neil Travers, or get one of the Hombres to bring it to the tournament. I'd appreciate knowing which of the above is planned. ... thtn we'll be able to present it to this year's winners. Cheers Wayne Retter also wayne_retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk ................................................ : ROSS ON WYE 97 : : theultimatefrisbeetournament : : druid@phidelta.demon.co.uk : : http://www.phidelta.demon.co.uk/fluiddruids/ : :..............................................: From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Aug 12 16:24:39 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id QAA02966; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 16:04:20 +0100 (BST) Received: from renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id QAA02954; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 16:04:14 +0100 (BST) Received: from eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk (eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk [129.215.13.1]) by renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA19561 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 16:04:13 +0100 (BST) Received: from SMS-EIGG/SpoolDir by eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk (Mercury 1.31); 12 Aug 97 16:03:51 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by SMS-EIGG (Mercury 1.31); 12 Aug 97 16:03:27 +0000 From: "James Spicer" <9550732@eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 16:03:22 +0000 Subject: Edinburgh Festival hat tour X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <16DCD995B56@eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Dear All As you all should be aware the Edinburgh fringe festival is apon us this year again and Edinburgh see's a large input of tourists joining in the,... well what ever. Sneeekys are going to offer you all the chance to come to Edinburgh and play some dam fine ultimate at the same time as all this culture stuff, in the Edinburgh festival hat tournament. It will take place in the last weekend of the August play will be on the meadows. It will a relaxed affair as it always is with Sneeekys and there will plenty of time to see a bit of the festival at the same time. How can I sell it any more!!! More details will follow but for now keep that weekend free. cheers James J.a.Spicer@sms.ed.ac.uk Edinburgh University Ultimate Frisbee Club (Sneeekys) on the net at: http://www.ed.ac.uk/~ultimate/ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Aug 12 17:34:42 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id RAA10106; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 17:08:19 +0100 (BST) Received: from iraun1.ira.uka.de by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id RAA10086; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 17:08:10 +0100 (BST) Received: from [129.13.2.181] (actually i02mac181.ira.uka.de) by iraun1 with SMTP (PP); Tue, 12 Aug 1997 18:08:05 +0200 X-Sender: griesbaum@i02mac198.ira.uka.de Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 18:08:04 +0100 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: Thomas Griesbaum Subject: EUC 1997 open to international teams Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk EUC 1997 open to international teams In an approach to attract more players and to give them the chance to gain experience with international play the European Flying Disc Federation (EFDF) together with the host of this year's European Ultimate Championships (EUC) Charlie Mead have decided to accept international teams to the 1997 EUC. If you are interested in attending the EUC but your country could not find enough players to form a national team, then read the message of Charlie Mead below. There is enough interest already for an open international team. Charlie will know more about the other divisions. EFDF is also accepting "B" national teams in cases where a country might have enough players to form a second team. And, certainly any country which hasn't registered a national team at all may still do so. All questions and sign up requests are to be sent to Charlie Mead directly (see contact information below). Please note that unlike to the usual timing of EUCs this year play will start on Monday (Aug. 25th) instead of Sunday. Information about the EUC can be found on the web at http://www.ira.uka.de/~thgries/disc/efdf/ Regards, Thomas Griesbaum thgries@ira.uka.de EFDF President P.S.: I apologize if you receive multiple copies of this. But the EUC is coming soon and we want to reach as many players as possible. ----------------------------------------------------------------- From: cmead@midnet.com (Charlie Mead) Subject: EUC97 Date: 10 Aug 1997 21:41:09 GMT Please pass this on to all players your club team. Hi, This is an offer from the Organising Committee of the EFDF European Ultimate Championships for any players from your country who wish to form an international team in Open, Womens and Junior divisions to attend Euro '97 and join with other players living in Europe to make up as many teams as is practical. The tournament will be held on August 24th-30th at Millfield School. Registration is August 24th and play begins on Monday August 25th. The finals are on Saturday August 30th. We recognise that this is a late invitation and are offering floor space at a very cheap rate.to anyone taking up the offer. Players will need to provide their own food or buy the food package which is L90 for the week, breakfast and dinner. There is also the player fee of L90 which covers all tournament costs and parties, medical facilities, players pack and transport for the whole week. The countries that are eligible to send players in the divisions where they do not already have a national team entered are are Austria, Belgium, Germany, France, Switzerland, Italy, Czech Republic, Denmark, Norway, Holland, Spain, Ireland, Portugal, Hungary, Latvia, Russiaand any non-european passport holders who have been resident in Europe for more than 1 year. We are offering this opportunity because a number of players from the countries above have indicated a wish to come but do not have enough players in some of the divisions for a whole team. It is an opportunity for players to play against the best in Europe, meet new friends and help develop the sport back home afterwards. If you want any more information please contact Charlie Mead immediately on: Phone : +44-121-449-3382 (home and Fax)) +44-121-428-2002 (work) +44-0802-32-17-10 (mobile) Email: charlie.mead@midnet.com Charlie Mead Tournament director. Please pass this on to all players of your club team. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Aug 13 19:38:08 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id TAA24440; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 19:12:04 +0100 (BST) Received: from phidelta.demon.co.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id TAA24429; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 19:11:58 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 19:03:07 GMT From: druid@phidelta.demon.co.uk (Ross on Wye 97 TD) Reply-To: druid@phidelta.demon.co.uk Message-Id: <6961@phidelta.demon.co.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Cc: merrick.cardew@g4tech.co.uk Subject: Directions to Ross on Wye X-Name: Wayne Retter, TD X-Team: Fluid Druids - theultimatefrisbeeteam X-WWW: http://www.dreamer.demon.co.uk/druids/ X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Lines: 22 Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Directions to the tournament, unfortunately without maps, are on the tournament website at: http://www.phidelta.demon.co.uk/fluiddruids/direct.htm Maps have already been sent to the team contacts - so please chase them if you need copies. Seedings and schedules have been done, but we're not telling you what's happening until you get there! CAPTAINS MEETING 9.00am SATURDAY GAMES START 9.15am See you in the Hope and Anchor on Saturday night! Wayne ................................................ : ROSS ON WYE 97 : : theultimatefrisbeetournament : : druid@phidelta.demon.co.uk : : http://www.phidelta.demon.co.uk/fluiddruids/ : :..............................................: From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Aug 14 16:36:29 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id QAA16168; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 16:09:20 +0100 (BST) Received: from [137.205.222.1] by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id QAA16159; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 16:09:15 +0100 (BST) X-Sender: serai@mail.csv.warwick.ac.uk Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 16:11:50 +0100 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: Dave Neilson Subject: Need a lift to Ross - HELP! Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi, Is there anybody out there in BritDisc land who will be travelling down to Ross-on-Wye this coming weekend FROM THE MIDLANDS? I need to catch a lift for TWO PLAYERS and will happily share the cost of petrol and refrain from singing in your car if necessary ;-) We are happy to travel on Friday afternoon (after 4:30pm) or else Saturday morning - in fact the kind soul offering a lift is welcome to stop over in Kenilworth Friday night to break their journey if this is a help?! Please let me know ASAP. Cheers, Sam Neilson H: 01926 864 276 W: 01203 523 880 E: D.P.Neilson@warwick.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Aug 18 11:15:05 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id KAA09000; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 10:52:30 +0100 (BST) Received: from clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id KAA08754; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 10:51:56 +0100 (BST) Received: from mailhost.dircon.co.uk by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id KAA12808; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 10:24:23 +0100 (BST) Received: from [194.112.56.176] (th-eng09-176.pool.dircon.co.uk [194.112.56.176]) by mailhost.dircon.co.uk (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA27869 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 10:24:09 +0100 (BST) X-Sender: daltay@194.112.32.30 (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 10:29:09 +0100 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: admin@daletaylor.co.uk (Dale Taylor) Subject: BritOpen97 Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Dear All, Although more teams than there are slots available have told me they are definitely coming to the Open this year, I still have very few deposit cheques. Please hassle your team organiser to get that cheque and entry form in the post and don't forget, you can call me (01323 430700-work or 01323 732953-home) or email me (open97@daletaylor.co.uk) to reserve your place for seven days allowing time for your cheque to arrive. It is vital that I know numbers for certain in order that those little luxuries like FOOD, BEER and tourny FREEBIES can be arranged in suitable quantities for your pleasure!!! The Open is on 11th to 14th September, in Eastbourne. The entry fee is GBP140 per team. A deposit of GBP40 will secure your place. Cheques should be made payable to "EMJ Roberts". The fee includes tournament entry, free camping, breakfasts, gifts, party etc etc. Facilities will also be laid on for Disc Golf, Guts, DDC & Volleyball. Nolan British Open Admin Office 43 Gildredge Road Eastbourne East Sussex BN21 4RY Tel: 01323 430700 Fax: 01323 430223 Email: open97@daletaylor.co.uk Website: www.tradeworld.co.uk/open97 From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Aug 18 15:56:39 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id PAA06854; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 15:39:27 +0100 (BST) Received: from mailhost.dircon.co.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id PAA06815; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 15:39:14 +0100 (BST) Received: from [194.112.56.176] (th-eng11-102.pool.dircon.co.uk [194.112.57.102]) by mailhost.dircon.co.uk (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA11760 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 15:39:09 +0100 (BST) X-Sender: daltay@194.112.32.30 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 15:44:06 +0100 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: admin@daletaylor.co.uk (Dale Taylor) Subject: BritOpen97 P.S. Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk I've had a couple of teams tell me that they've not received a mailer from us. I can only assume that some of you have changed your contact address and either you have not let the BUF know or the BUF have not updated their mailing lists yet. If you do not already know the details of the British Open, please contact me and I'll get a mailer off to your team or give you the basic details in whatever form you wish. Please note... I have had an additional nine teams enter since my email earlier today. If you are intending to come, I suggest you contact me soon. Although we are not near capacity yet, if they keep rolling in at the speed they are so far today, you don't have long to decide. Thanks Nolan British Open Admin Office 43 Gildredge Road Eastbourne East Sussex BN21 4RY Tel: 01323 430700 Fax: 01323 430223 Email: open97@daletaylor.co.uk Website: www.tradeworld.co.uk/open97 From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Aug 18 21:06:21 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id UAA07411; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 20:50:46 +0100 (BST) Received: from phidelta.demon.co.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id UAA07373; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 20:50:31 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 20:17:54 GMT From: druid@phidelta.demon.co.uk (Ross on Wye 97 TD) Reply-To: druid@phidelta.demon.co.uk Message-Id: <6987@phidelta.demon.co.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk, eurodisc@ira.uka.de Subject: Results, Lost and Found X-Name: Wayne Retter, TD X-Team: Fluid Druids - theultimatefrisbeeteam X-WWW: http://www.dreamer.demon.co.uk/druids/ X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Lines: 76 Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Ross on Wye Ultimate Tournament 16+17 August 1997 SPIRIT OF THE GAME:(HUGE glass tankard) Mwnci See 22 teams votes were registered, 14 teams received nominations TROPHY: 1 Hard on Hugh III (International) MVP of Final (1 pint Pewter Tankard): Ian MacLean of HoH 2 UTI =3 Fluid Druids =3 Horizontal Hombres 5 Violently Happy 6 Blue Arse Flies 7 XS (Auld Scots) 8 Headrush PLATE: (a shiney thing) 9 Funky Monks (Reunion) 10 Red Shift 11 Pookas (Dublin) 12 Chevron Action Flash 13 Tribal Desire 14 Mud Culture 15 Lurkers 16 Sneeekys SPOON: (with a lady baring her bottom) 17 Village People 18 Strange Blue 19 GB Juniors 20 Nightfever 21 GB Women 22 Mad Kows 23 Mwnci See 24 Jedi Children BEER RACE: GB Juniors (ahem!) Thanks to all for coming, playing with spirit and partying hard, and just generally taking what you found and making it better. Good luck to all players in the European Championships. LOST and FOUND LOST: The tournament organisers have mislaid 3 water containers (the ones that get seen pitchside at Tour events - clear plastic, cuboid things) - Anybody packed one away, by accident or on purpose - we'd like them back, please!!! LOST: Several people have reported missing footwear on Sunday morning. We suspect that it has been stolen by wandering locals and is lost forever. If anybody finds a spare pair of shoes in the bags/cars, please let us know! FOUND: by the Tournament organisers: Polaroid sunglasses Discs (WUGC96, Ultrastar, Worlds94) 2 Watches Asics football boots with ProPlus tablets Nike football boots Reebok Pitbull High/MidTops Village People Tshirt How do people leave this stuff behind??? That's about it! Wayne ................................................ : ROSS ON WYE 97 : : theultimatefrisbeetournament : : druid@phidelta.demon.co.uk : : http://www.phidelta.demon.co.uk/fluiddruids/ : :..............................................: From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Aug 19 13:00:33 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id LAA22308; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 11:05:59 +0100 (BST) Received: from dirc.bris.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id LAA22300; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 11:05:56 +0100 (BST) Received: from mail.bris.ac.uk by dirc.bris.ac.uk with SMTP-PRIV (PP) with ESMTP; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 11:05:45 +0100 Received: from [137.222.156.36] (langah3.lang.bris.ac.uk [137.222.156.36]) by mail.bris.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA23632 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 11:03:42 +0100 (BST) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 11:10:52 +0000 From: Raf.Freire@Bristol.ac.uk Subject: Golf doubles matchplay championships To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk BDGA FIRKIN DOUBLES MATCHPLAY CHAMPIONSHIPS 11/12 october, 1997 Ashton Court Estate, Bristol (not Clifton Village as last year) 4 rounds of 18 holes, on at least 3 different courses Enter as a pair or individually and team up with someone on the day. Cost- =A310 double, =A35 Single Contact Bud Tilton (0117) 9269055 To all Ultimate players- this will improve your disc skills and as its matc= hplay=20 you won't have to count to more than ten. Rafi BDGA competitions director raf.freire@bristol.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Aug 19 20:16:21 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id UAA00219; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 20:01:53 +0100 (BST) Received: from phidelta.demon.co.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id UAA00208; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 20:01:47 +0100 (BST) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 19:25:58 GMT From: druid@phidelta.demon.co.uk (Ross on Wye 97 TD) Reply-To: druid@phidelta.demon.co.uk Message-Id: <7000@phidelta.demon.co.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Re: Results X-Name: Wayne Retter, TD X-Team: Fluid Druids - theultimatefrisbeeteam X-WWW: http://www.dreamer.demon.co.uk/druids/ X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Lines: 10 Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Apologies to both teams! Can't read Chris' writing! Rob Mitchell writes: > you got chevy and pookas the wrong way around. ................................................ : ROSS ON WYE 97 : : theultimatefrisbeetournament : : druid@phidelta.demon.co.uk : : http://www.phidelta.demon.co.uk/fluiddruids/ : :..............................................: From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Aug 19 20:56:09 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id UAA01779; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 20:29:36 +0100 (BST) Received: from stone.dcs.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id UAA01765; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 20:29:29 +0100 (BST) Received: from guardian.dcs.warwick.ac.uk by stone.dcs.warwick.ac.uk; Sun, 17 Aug 1997 22:55:56 +0100 (BST) Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by guardian.dcs.warwick.ac.uk; Sun, 17 Aug 1997 22:55:51 +0100 (BST) Received: from oxmail4.ox.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id WAA28099; Sun, 17 Aug 1997 22:55:15 +0100 (BST) Received: from sable.ox.ac.uk by oxmail4 with SMTP (PP) with ESMTP; Sun, 17 Aug 1997 22:48:28 +0100 Received: from [192.76.27.35] (max35.public.ox.ac.uk [192.76.27.35]) by sable.ox.ac.uk (1.2/8.8.3) with SMTP id WAA16753; Sun, 17 Aug 1997 22:48:23 +0100 (BST) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 22:48:23 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199708172148.WAA16753@sable.ox.ac.uk> X-Sender: gree0226@sable.ox.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: andrew.vickers@Green.oxford.ac.uk (Andrew Vickers) Subject: Pick-up / tune-up tourney in Central London Cc: "Whitehead, David" Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk First Touch will be having an informal one-day tournament in Regent's Park on Saturday 6th September starting around 10am. We've asked some local teams along but there should also be plenty of opportunity for pick-up. If you are interested, email terri@cloe.demon.co.uk (NOT me, I'm away for a bit) or call Dave Whitehead on 0171-435-3450. We had a similar day back in February: three or four games and then off to the pub (there is one with a patio area nearby) It seemed to work pretty well. Maybe see you there. Andrew Vickers From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Aug 20 10:39:10 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id KAA10702; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 10:24:42 +0100 (BST) Received: from iraun1.ira.uka.de by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id KAA10694; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 10:24:39 +0100 (BST) Received: from [129.13.2.181] (actually i02mac181.ira.uka.de) by iraun1 with SMTP (PP); Wed, 20 Aug 1997 11:23:31 +0200 X-Sender: griesbaum@i02mac198.ira.uka.de Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 11:23:45 +0100 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: Thomas Griesbaum Subject: Euro '97: Last Call ! Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Did you ever want to attend a European Ultimate Championships tournament ? This year you have the chance ! Not only has the European Flying Disc Federation together with the host of this year's EUC Charlie Mead decided to accept international teams (made up of players from different European countries) for each division, but now Charlie is in the situation to offer free accomodation and food to a certain number of those who sign up with him until Thursday night (Aug. 21st). You will only have to pay the 90.- GBP tournament fee. If you are interested please contact Charlie Mead immediately through one of the ways mentioned below: Phone : +44-121-449-3382 (home and Fax) +44-121-428-2002 (work) +44-0802-32-17-10 (mobile) Email: charlie.mead@midnet.com For more information about the international teams read the last information at http://iraul1.ira.uka.de/~thgries/disc/EuroDisc-Archive/1997/Aug/009.08.1997.htm l Information about the Euro '97 can be found at http://www.ira.uka.de/~thgries/disc/termin_descr/euc97.html The Euro '97 will be held on August 24th-30th at Millfield School in Street. Registration is August 24th and play begins on Monday August 25th. The finals are on Saturday August 30th. See you next Sunday ! Thomas Griesbaum European Flying Disc Federation From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Aug 27 13:02:05 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id MAA15263; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 12:41:19 +0100 (BST) Received: from admin.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id MAA15241; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 12:41:10 +0100 (BST) Received: from SIGMA/MERCURY by admin.warwick.ac.uk (Mercury 1.21); 27 Aug 97 12:44:37 +0000 Received: from MERCURY by SIGMA (Mercury 1.21); 27 Aug 97 12:44:25 +0000 From: "DEREK ROBINS" Organization: University of Warwick, CV4 7AL, UK To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 12:44:22 +0000 (GMT) Subject: 19th British Open Disc Golf Championships CC: eurodisc@ira.uka.de X-mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.1 (R1a) Message-ID: <1F1B8485F86@admin.warwick.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Held 23/24th August at Essex University We had a great weekend, a record turnout of 50 registered players, and this despite many regular players not attending due to a stag night and also the European Ultimate Championships. We also had a low turnout from other european countries. With the 2nd and 3rd ranked Brits missing the main contenders were Marco Lehousse from Begium, myself and 1995 PDGA Masters champion Bob Vanderboss. Bob V and Dan Lovett had flown over from the US specifically to play the tournament. Perhaps it was the jet lag but Bob and Dan were not on top form and it turned into a two horse race. I led after the first round thanks to an ace on the 16th hole. Marco caught me on the 2nd round and went ahead by 3 on the third with a course record 48. On the final 9 Marco dropped some shots with missed putts and unlucky roll-aways. I got 3 birdies and picked up 5 shots in 5 holes to go 2 up. With a bogey by me and a birdie by Marco we were tied with 2 to play. On the last hole Marco hit a tree and had to settle for par, I had a great drive and a 5 metre put for the Championship which I just missed left. Marco won the first play-off hole to retain his British Open title. So with my taking the Belgian Open title from him earlier this year we now hold each others national titles! Bob Vanderboss finished 3rd and Dan Lovett took 4th after he and Andrew Wainstein decided to play off for 4-5th. The Juniors Division was won by Oran Villiers-Stuart and the Womens Division by Ruth Lissaman. Full results will be posted to the newsgroups and put on the BDGA web site http://www.warwick.ac.uk/~forab/disc/bdga/britopen.html R1 R2 R3 Sub F9 Tot Playoff Marco Lehousse 53 53 48 154 31 185 2 Derek Robins 52 54 51 157 28 185 3 Bob Vanderboss 55 57 53 165 27 192 Dan Lovett 62 55 54 171 26 197 2 Andrew Wainstein 58 54 57 169 28 197 3 Oran Villiers-St 76 70 66 212 Derek *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*- Derek Robins | | D.J.Robins@admin.warwick.ac.uk Finance Office | | Tel 01203 522710 University of Warwick | | Fax 01203 524573 Coventry CV4 7AL | | Home 01926 864136 *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*- From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Aug 27 20:02:24 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id TAA23426; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 19:46:37 +0100 (BST) Received: from tom.compulink.co.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id TAA23420; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 19:46:34 +0100 (BST) Received: (from root@localhost) by tom.compulink.co.uk (8.8.4/8.6.9) id TAA17364 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 19:46:24 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 97 19:45 BST-1 From: lholden@cix.compulink.co.uk (Louise Holden) Subject: Moving House. To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Cc: lholden@cix.compulink.co.uk Reply-To: lholden@cix.compulink.co.uk Message-Id: X-Mail-Software: Ameol2 X-URL: http //www.ameol.com Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk It has been confirmed this week that I shall be moving house at the end of October, to Stafford. A new contact will be announced for Lurkers as soon as I have bullied someone into doing it. In the mean time could anyone from a club I might conceivably be able to get to from Stafford please drop me an email with contact details and practice times. I guess that this would be any teams in Birmingham or Wolverhampton which take open players and maybe at a stretch Chevron. Cheers Paul Holden Lurkers/Slut lholden@cix.compulink.co.uk 01293 412195 From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Aug 27 20:03:44 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id TAA23419; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 19:46:33 +0100 (BST) Received: from tom.compulink.co.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id TAA23414; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 19:46:31 +0100 (BST) Received: (from root@localhost) by tom.compulink.co.uk (8.8.4/8.6.9) id TAA17333 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 19:46:20 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 97 19:45 BST-1 From: lholden@cix.compulink.co.uk (Louise Holden) Subject: Cica Blades For Sale To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Cc: lholden@cix.compulink.co.uk Reply-To: lholden@cix.compulink.co.uk Message-Id: X-Mail-Software: Ameol2 X-URL: http //www.ameol.com Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk I have a pair of Cica Blades (Mudrunners, ie long blades), size UK9 EU43, which have proved to be too narrow for my feet. They have only been worn twice for a total of 2 hours or so of practice. If anyone would like to make me an offer, preferably if you already own a pair and know they would fit you, no reasonable amount would be refused. Please email me at lholden@cix.compulink.co.uk Paul Holden Lurkers/Slut From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Aug 28 12:54:22 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id MAA24126; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 12:33:34 +0100 (BST) Received: from admin.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id MAA24072; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 12:33:15 +0100 (BST) Received: from SIGMA/MERCURY by admin.warwick.ac.uk (Mercury 1.21); 28 Aug 97 12:36:45 +0000 Received: from MERCURY by SIGMA (Mercury 1.21); 28 Aug 97 12:36:08 +0000 From: "DEREK ROBINS" Organization: University of Warwick, CV4 7AL, UK To: eurodisc@ira.uka.de Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 12:36:00 +0000 (GMT) Subject: 19th British Open Disc Golf Championship CC: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk X-mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.1 (R1a) Message-ID: <2099594474D@admin.warwick.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk The results have now been put on to a spreadsheet and converted into html and linked to the BDGA web pages http://www.warwick.ac.uk/~forab/disc/bdga/britopen.html There is also a link to the 1996 results. Apologies to anyone who wishes to see the full results on an e-mail but I don't have the time to mess about converting the files or rekeying the info. I will e-mail the spreadsheet file to anyone who wants it. Derek PS BDGA membership is fast approaching the 100 mark so if you want a two digit membership number you better join soon! (9GBP for waged, 7GBP for unwaged) *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*- Derek Robins | | D.J.Robins@admin.warwick.ac.uk Finance Office | | Tel 01203 522710 University of Warwick | | Fax 01203 524573 Coventry CV4 7AL | | Home 01926 864136 *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*- From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Aug 28 17:49:01 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id RAA28881; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 17:29:40 +0100 (BST) Received: from renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id RAA28871; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 17:29:37 +0100 (BST) Received: from eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk (eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk [129.215.13.1]) by renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA21886 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 17:29:35 +0100 (BST) Received: from SMS-EIGG/SpoolDir by eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk (Mercury 1.31); 28 Aug 97 17:29:04 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by SMS-EIGG (Mercury 1.31); 28 Aug 97 17:28:43 +0000 From: "James Spicer" <9550732@eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk> To: Britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 17:28:39 +0000 Subject: (Fwd) edinburgh hat X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <2EF46650903@eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Dear All just a wee reminder that there is a hat tournament in edinburgh this weekend meet 12.00 noon on the meadows next to the circus. if anyone has any problems or questions my phone myself or possum or Barry As i don't possum numbers on me or in my head my number is 229 4524 (0131) Barry number 228 1761 James J.a.Spicer@sms.ed.ac.uk Edinburgh University Ultimate Frisbee Club (Sneeekys) on the net at: http://www.ed.ac.uk/~ultimate/ J.a.Spicer@sms.ed.ac.uk Edinburgh University Ultimate Frisbee Club (Sneeekys) on the net at: http://www.ed.ac.uk/~ultimate/ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Aug 29 11:09:11 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id KAA21790; Fri, 29 Aug 1997 10:51:36 +0100 (BST) Received: from irwell.zetnet.co.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id KAA21786; Fri, 29 Aug 1997 10:51:34 +0100 (BST) Received: from deansgate.zetnet.co.uk (deansgate.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.47.23]) by irwell.zetnet.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA21474 for ; Fri, 29 Aug 1997 10:51:33 +0100 X-ZSender: t.green@zetnet.co.uk Message-ID: <1997082911103574146@zetnet.co.uk> Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 11:10:35 +0100 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: Toby Green X-Mailer: ZIMACS Version 1.10c 10003244 Subject: Whitcombe Farm Disc Golf - Next Weekend! Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Yes, summer's nearly over and September is nearly upon us. But the fun continues - The Whitcombe Farm Disc Golf Course invites you for an early Autumn Tournament next weekend (Sept 6 & 7). All the usual details: Accommodation: There are a few beds in the Summer House still available ( 5 per person per night). Let me know if you want one. Camping is available at 1 per person per night. And the usual array of B&Bs in Beaminster. Tournament: Minimum three rounds of strokeplay (if we get going early and people are up for it, we might be able to squeeze in a fourth). Top five will play off. Entry fees: 15 BDGA non-members 12 BDGA members 8 unwaged members & non-members [ 1 from the above categories goes to the BDGA] 5 aged 13-17 Free aged 12 and under Where does the money go? We invested over 2200 in the course last year erecting the baskets. Year-on-year maintainance costs around another 150. This year, for example, I paid 60 for a tree surgeon to enlarge the gap out of the Badger Wood for Magic's Mansion (16th). So far, income from tournaments and those who play rounds at other times has meant that we've recouped about half the investment. The next major improvement being considered is work to make the tees flat(ter!) and reconsider some of the basket placings to reduce the chances of those annoying roll-aways. Comments and suggestions about course improvements are always very welcome. In particular I am planning to change the second hole on the old course which is becoming unplayable without a major amount of tree clearing that I'm not keen to do. My aim is to make Whitcombe one of the best disc golf courses in Europe, and to bring it up to World Class Competition standard so that the Americans and Europeans want to come over and compete too. Are you coming? If you can, let me know if you're planning to come so I have some ideas on numbers. I'll be down at Whitcombe from Wednesday (01308 862366). Looking forward to seeing you all in Dorset next weekend, Toby -- TOBY GREEN 74 Old High Street, Headington, Oxford OX3 9HW, UK +44 1865 769789 (tel) +44 1865 437714 (fax) t.green@zetnet.co.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Aug 29 16:07:39 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id PAA20477; Fri, 29 Aug 1997 15:52:08 +0100 (BST) Received: from orange.easynet.co.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id PAA20463; Fri, 29 Aug 1997 15:52:04 +0100 (BST) Received: from easynet.co.uk (kiwi.easynet.co.uk [193.131.248.4]) by orange.easynet.co.uk (8.8.6/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA25592 for ; Fri, 29 Aug 1997 15:59:12 +0100 (BST) Received: (qmail 19673 invoked from network); 29 Aug 1997 14:52:45 -0000 Received: from larry.texcel.co.uk (HELO texcel.co.uk) (195.40.103.11) by kiwi.easynet.co.uk with SMTP; 29 Aug 1997 14:52:45 -0000 Received: from dreamer.demon.co.uk by texcel.co.uk (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id PAA19537; Fri, 29 Aug 1997 15:46:53 +0100 Message-ID: <3406E0DC.F20F1F59@dreamer.demon.co.uk> Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 15:46:52 +0100 From: Neil Travers Organization: Home(ish) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.5 sun4d) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: BritDisc Subject: Europeans finals Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Apparently the finals are. Open: Finland v Sweden Juniors: Finland v Sweden Women: Finland v GB (shock :-) ) And GB v Germany for both Open & Junior 3rd/4th playoff. Playing at the moment. So will Finland make a clean sweep of it? Will the Open and Juniors have exactly the same results? -- Neil Travers - home Fluid Druids, UK http://www.dreamer.demon.co.uk/ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sat Aug 30 18:09:15 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id RAA27359; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 17:46:16 +0100 (BST) From: MJeffer867@aol.com Received: from emout15.mail.aol.com by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id RAA27354; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 17:46:12 +0100 (BST) Received: (from root@localhost) by emout15.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id MAA10710 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 12:45:40 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 12:45:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970830124336_1126719720@emout15.mail.aol.com> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Contact numbers. Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Does anyone have a contact number for either Hannah or Debbie of ex-Nuns fame please? I could do with a phone number, or address for one or the other. Better still, are you reading this? If so please get in touch. Cheers, Mark, (ex) Bears. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sat Aug 30 20:57:56 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id UAA04306; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 20:40:47 +0100 (BST) Received: from ultra1 by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id UAA04302; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 20:40:45 +0100 (BST) Received: from saturn.dcs.aber.ac.uk [144.124.34.56] by ultra1 with smtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0x4tNt-00016v-00; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 20:40:37 +0100 Message-ID: <3408773B.51A4@aber.ac.uk> Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 20:40:43 +0100 From: ALEX EVANS X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.02 (X11; I; SunOS 5.5 sun4m) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Looking for Night Fever Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Can anyone give me a contact number for Night Fever? Cheers Alex From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sun Aug 31 22:57:25 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id WAA16504; Sun, 31 Aug 1997 22:39:02 +0100 (BST) Received: from phidelta.demon.co.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id WAA16494; Sun, 31 Aug 1997 22:38:56 +0100 (BST) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 1997 21:49:06 GMT From: LayoutDreams@phidelta.demon.co.uk (Layout Dreams) Reply-To: LayoutDreams@phidelta.demon.co.uk Message-Id: <7079@phidelta.demon.co.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Cc: c.hughes1@livjm.ac.uk Subject: BUF National Championships 27+28 September 1997 X-Organisation: Layout Dreams X-WWW: http://www.phidelta.demon.co.uk/layoutdreams/ X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Lines: 58 Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk BUF National Outdoor Ultimate Championships 27+28 September 1997 King Edward's Place, Wanborough, nr Swindon, Wiltshire All team contacts should now have received invitations, here's a quick summary: Payment and DEADLINES: cheques payable to LAYOUT DREAMS should be sent to: c/o Wayne Retter, 17 Burnham Drive, Reigate, Surrey, RH2 9HD of value: National Championships GBP 95.00 before 1 September 1997 Open 'Not-the-Nationals GBP 75.00 before 8 September 1997 (both of the above sums include BUF tournament taxes) Please register your team and send payment promptly as it will then be easier to arrange replacement teams if needed. Formats: National Championships: Top 16 (OK, 17 'cos Shotgun are only entering 1 team) teams from the Ultim8 Tour in two divisions of 8. Ultim8 Tour rosters apply, though it is possible for players to transfer between teams subject to certain restrictions and rules (contact Si Hill for details) The teams are: (* have paid!) Blue Arse Flies, Catch 22, Chevron Action Flash, First Touch, Fluid Druids *, Headrush *, Oxford Ultimate, Red *, Shotgun, S.L.U.T., Squawks *, STAN, Strange Blue, Tribal Desire, Village People, Violently Happy *, Open 'Not-the-Nationals' Tournament: Running alongside the National Championships will be a more traditional tournament, preferably 8 teams or more, no roster restrictions, indivdual players may register and we'll build teams, etc, etc. Tournament format to be worked out when we know how many teams wish to participate. Teams so far: (* have paid!) Whiplash * Facilities: King Edward's Place has the capabilities for us to use 12 pitches in prime condition, an all day pavillion bar providing food and refreshments, a players tent, changing rooms and showers. Allied Dunbar are also prepared to hire rooms on site for Saturday night (single rooms GBP 25.00) for those who don't want to camp just a five minute walk (max!) away. There will be a BBQ breakfast available on both days, or teams may elect for the Layout Dreams breakfast package (more info later - approx GBP 15.00 for the team). Saturday night dinner will be available in the dining hall, and the party in the main bar starts at 7.30pm. Look forward to hearing from you! Wayne Retter _____________________________________________________________________________ Chris Hughes layoutDREAMS Wayne Retter +44/0-151-994-2629 LayoutDreams@phidelta.demon.co.uk +44/0-1737-242109 From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sun Aug 31 22:57:37 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id WAA16516; Sun, 31 Aug 1997 22:39:08 +0100 (BST) Received: from phidelta.demon.co.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id WAA16505; Sun, 31 Aug 1997 22:39:03 +0100 (BST) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 1997 22:33:11 GMT From: LayoutDreams@phidelta.demon.co.uk (Layout Dreams) Reply-To: LayoutDreams@phidelta.demon.co.uk Message-Id: <7081@phidelta.demon.co.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Cc: c.hughes1@livjm.ac.uk Subject: BUF Nationals (2) X-Organisation: Layout Dreams X-WWW: http://www.phidelta.demon.co.uk/layoutdreams/ X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Lines: 10 Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Did I forget to mention that many of the pitches will have water and scoreboards, the Academy of Sports Therapy will be providing massage services, and St John's Ambulance should be on site to provide first aid. Sorry! Wayne _____________________________________________________________________________ Chris Hughes layoutDREAMS Wayne Retter +44/0-151-994-2629 LayoutDreams@phidelta.demon.co.uk +44/0-1737-242109 http://www.phidelta.demon.co.uk/layoutdreams/ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Sep 1 08:05:03 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id HAA04768; Mon, 1 Sep 1997 07:48:22 +0100 (BST) Received: from crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id HAA04764; Mon, 1 Sep 1997 07:48:20 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 07:48:17 +0100 (BST) From: Mr R C Doswell Message-Id: <10397.199709010648@crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Received: by crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk id HAA10397; Mon, 1 Sep 1997 07:48:17 +0100 (BST) To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: BUF Events Reminder Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk British Ultimate Federation Disc Events Diary --------------------------------------------- September 1997 -------------- Thursday 11 September 1997 British Open (4 days) Saturday 27 September 1997 BUF National Finals (outdoor) (2 days) @ Swindon (same as Tour III) October 1997 ------------ Saturday 25 October 1997 BUF Regional Championships (3 REGIONS) (2 days) @ ***TDs required*** (date is flexible) --------------------------------------------------------------- British Ultimate Federation Disc Events Diary http://www.csv.warwick.ac.uk:5201/cgi-bin/diary Ranulf Doswell, ralf@dcs.warwick.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Sep 1 10:00:24 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id JAA10694; Mon, 1 Sep 1997 09:37:31 +0100 (BST) Received: from orange.easynet.co.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id JAA10689; Mon, 1 Sep 1997 09:37:28 +0100 (BST) Received: from easynet.co.uk (kiwi.easynet.co.uk [193.131.248.4]) by orange.easynet.co.uk (8.8.6/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA01864 for ; Mon, 1 Sep 1997 09:44:47 +0100 (BST) Received: (qmail 23609 invoked from network); 1 Sep 1997 08:38:19 -0000 Received: from larry.texcel.co.uk (HELO texcel.co.uk) (195.40.103.11) by kiwi.easynet.co.uk with SMTP; 1 Sep 1997 08:38:19 -0000 Received: from dreamer.demon.co.uk by texcel.co.uk (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA03537; Mon, 1 Sep 1997 09:33:42 +0100 Message-ID: <340A7DE6.35430C8D@dreamer.demon.co.uk> Date: Mon, 01 Sep 1997 09:33:42 +0100 From: Neil Travers Organization: Home(ish) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.5 sun4d) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: BritDisc Subject: Europeans finals Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hopefully Charlie will post all the results, but here is what happened Sunday. Women: Finland 19 - 15 GB Juniors: Sweden 19 - 15 Finland Open: Finland 19 - 15 Sweden So the results that I remember. Women: 1. Finland 2. GB (Spirit) Juniors: 1. Sweden 2. Finland 3. GB (Spirit) 4. Germany 5. Switzerland Open: 1. Finland 2. Sweden 3. Germany 4. GB (Spirit) 5. Switzerland So GB managed a clean sweep of the spirit awards. There was also Charlie's special award for helping him organise the tournament (getting in rosters etc on time), which went to Switzerland. Of particular note: GB Women were impressive in the final, but not quite enough to win. The Finnish Open team were clearly better than the Swedes and had the support of the crowd as they struggled against numerous Swedish calls. Sweden not all conquering anymore, and seemed to have upset a number of people that week with their 'special calls'. -- Neil Travers - home Fluid Druids, UK http://www.dreamer.demon.co.uk/ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Sep 1 14:42:13 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id OAA09495; Mon, 1 Sep 1997 14:20:04 +0100 (BST) Received: from stone.dcs.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id OAA09490; Mon, 1 Sep 1997 14:19:57 +0100 (BST) Received: from guardian.dcs.warwick.ac.uk by stone.dcs.warwick.ac.uk; Mon, 1 Sep 1997 09:45:39 +0100 (BST) Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by guardian.dcs.warwick.ac.uk; Mon, 1 Sep 1997 09:45:27 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 09:45:25 +0100 (BST) From: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Message-Id: <11294.199709010845@pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id JAA11294; Mon, 1 Sep 1997 09:45:25 +0100 (BST) To: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: BOUNCE britdisc@warwick.ac.uk: Admin request of type /\bunsubscribe\b/i at line 9 Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk >From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Sep 1 09:45:23 1997 remote from Received: from stone.dcs.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id JAA11289; Mon, 1 Sep 1997 09:45:22 +0100 (BST) Received: from guardian.dcs.warwick.ac.uk by stone.dcs.warwick.ac.uk; Mon, 1 Sep 1997 09:42:14 +0100 (BST) Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by guardian.dcs.warwick.ac.uk; Mon, 1 Sep 1997 09:42:13 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 09:42:04 +0100 (BST) From: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Message-Id: <11017.199709010842@pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id JAA11017; Mon, 1 Sep 1997 09:42:04 +0100 (BST) To: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: BOUNCE britdisc@warwick.ac.uk: Admin request: /^subject:\s*unsubscribe\b/i Sender: ralf@dcs.warwick.ac.uk >From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Sep 1 09:42:02 1997 remote from Received: from klingon.netkonect.net by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id JAA11004; Mon, 1 Sep 1997 09:42:01 +0100 (BST) Received: from l-rconsulting.netkonect.co.uk by klingon.netkonect.net (8.6.11/netkonect-1.102-server) id JAA11326; Mon, 1 Sep 1997 09:41:47 +0100 Message-Id: <199709010841.JAA11326@klingon.netkonect.net> From: "Sean Young" To: "Britdisc" Subject: Unsubscribe Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 09:21:50 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I'm off for a 4 month honeymoon - see you all in Jan 98!! Seán Young Shotgun seanyoung@l-rconsulting.netkonect.co.uk Tel: 01273 734905 From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Sep 1 19:58:11 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id TAA08732; Mon, 1 Sep 1997 19:43:33 +0100 (BST) Received: from phidelta.demon.co.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id TAA08718; Mon, 1 Sep 1997 19:43:21 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 01 Sep 1997 18:32:08 GMT From: LayoutDreams@phidelta.demon.co.uk (Layout Dreams) Reply-To: LayoutDreams@phidelta.demon.co.uk Message-Id: <7098@phidelta.demon.co.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Cc: merrick.cardew@g4tech.co.uk Subject: BUF Nationals X-Organisation: Layout Dreams X-WWW: http://www.phidelta.demon.co.uk/layoutdreams/ X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Lines: 12 Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk 1) Apologies to Jedi Children - they and NOT Tribal Desire finished top17 in the Ultim8 Tour and so are qualified to participate in the National Championships 2) To book rooms at King Edwards Place, call Debbie Lea of their Conferencing Department on 01793-791000 Wayne _____________________________________________________________________________ Chris Hughes layoutDREAMS Wayne Retter +44/0-151-994-2629 LayoutDreams@phidelta.demon.co.uk +44/0-1737-242109 http://www.phidelta.demon.co.uk/layoutdreams/ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Sep 1 21:04:22 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id UAA12599; Mon, 1 Sep 1997 20:49:15 +0100 (BST) Received: from mail2.lancs.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id UAA12595; Mon, 1 Sep 1997 20:49:13 +0100 (BST) Received: from unixa.lancs.ac.uk by mail2.lancs.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Mon, 1 Sep 1997 20:48:13 +0100 Received: (from lohman@localhost) by unixa.lancs.ac.uk (8.8.4/8.6.12) id UAA14543; Mon, 1 Sep 1997 20:48:08 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 20:48:07 +0100 (BST) From: Storm Logan cc: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Re: BUF Nationals In-Reply-To: <7098@phidelta.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reservoir Fish has changed it's e-mail contact address. The new address is : ultimatefish@hotmail.com Thanks - Storm >--< -------------- Lancaster University Ultimate Frisbee Club Athletics Union Lancaster University Lancaster, LA1 4YZ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Sep 1 21:23:03 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id VAA13492; Mon, 1 Sep 1997 21:04:37 +0100 (BST) Received: from mail2.lancs.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id VAA13487; Mon, 1 Sep 1997 21:04:35 +0100 (BST) Received: from unixa.lancs.ac.uk by mail2.lancs.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Mon, 1 Sep 1997 21:04:32 +0100 Received: (from lohman@localhost) by unixa.lancs.ac.uk (8.8.4/8.6.12) id VAA15115; Mon, 1 Sep 1997 21:04:29 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 21:04:29 +0100 (BST) From: Storm Logan To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Reservoir Fish Contact Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reservoir Fish has changed it's e-mail contact address. The new address is : ultimatefish@hotmail.com Thanks - Storm >--< -------------- Lancaster University Ultimate Frisbee Club Athletics Union Lancaster University Lancaster, LA1 4YZ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Sep 1 23:11:03 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id WAA19144; Mon, 1 Sep 1997 22:54:53 +0100 (BST) Received: from wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id WAA19140; Mon, 1 Sep 1997 22:54:48 +0100 (BST) Received: by wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk (UK-Smail 3.1.25.1/15) id ; Mon, 1 Sep 97 22:53 BST Message-Id: Date: Mon, 1 Sep 97 22:53 BST From: mackay@mrao.cam.ac.uk (David J.C. MacKay) To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk, terri@cloe.demon.co.uk Subject: Pick-up tourney in Central London : STILL ON Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Dear Britdisc The First Touch one-day tournament in Regent's Park is STILL ON for this Saturday. (I just called Dave Whitehead's to check). Here is the information... First Touch will be having an informal one-day tournament in Regent's Park on Saturday 6th September starting around 10am. We've asked some local teams along but there should also be plenty of opportunity for pick-up. If you are interested, email terri@cloe.demon.co.uk (NOT me, I'm away for a bit) or call Dave Whitehead on 0171-435-3450. We had a similar day back in February: three or four games and then off to the pub (there is one with a patio area nearby) It seemed to work pretty well. Maybe see you there. ... in case you had forgotten. Yours David ========================================================================== David J.C. MacKay email: mackay@mrao.cam.ac.uk www: http://wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk/mackay/ Cavendish Laboratory, tel: (01223) 339852 fax: 354599 home: 276411 Madingley Road, international code: +44 1223 Cambridge CB3 0HE. U.K. room: 982 Rutherford Building ------------ At Newton Inst: 330536 ------------- From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Sep 2 10:08:25 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id JAA15704; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 09:45:54 +0100 (BST) Received: from amsta.leeds.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id JAA15700; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 09:45:51 +0100 (BST) Received: from prasanta.leeds.amsta (prasanta.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.66]) by amsta.leeds.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA12960 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 09:46:09 +0100 (BST) Received: by prasanta.leeds.amsta (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA14667; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 09:39:16 +0100 Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 09:39:16 +0100 From: amtsjh@amsta.leeds.ac.uk (S J Hill) Message-Id: <199709020839.JAA14667@prasanta.leeds.amsta> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: NOTICES : Womens Nationals ; Regional Champs ; INDOORS??? X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Womens Nationals ---------------- Sue Underwood gave me a message to pass on re Women's Nationals but like a **** I left it at home. Anyway the main point is that it should be 4/5 Oct. I don't think a venue/TD is sorted out as yet. Additionally I believe that the idea is to create the teams on a REGIONAL basis, thereby creating more teams of closer ability. Will bring in the full message tomorrow... if I manage to remember how to find my way home. REGIONALS --------- Not linked to Nationals. Not linked to the tour. No rosters; no strict requirements on venue. HOW EASY TO ORGANISE? VERY. So whats the point? As has been said before, the idea is just to have REGIONAL CHAMPIONSHIPS, just for the same reason that we have say, National Championships - because we can. Things can be fairly informal - regions will probably look similar to previous years - but we can be more flexible given that we don't need to ensure they have an equal spread of strong teams. So - ONE LAST OUTDOOR tourney before some people go indoors, and some of us go into hibernation; or do I mean gruelling winter training. One main aim is to have a relaxed tournament for student teams to bring their new players... so its important that it happens. Scott has offered to buy a beer for the first person to come forward with a genuine bid. Good one Scott! Thanks mate. Please ring me, 0113 289 0971. Date is flexible ; and they don't HAVE to be the same w/e. Here are some venue ideas - maybe this will spark some conversation and result in a bid.... Trent Park - come on - loads of you live near enough to there to run it. Chew Magna??? - what do think Headrush? That school in Newport - can't remember its name!! (Rich, Martin... hello???) Leicester - you always have something up your sleave... Milton Keynes - any chance? Mad Kows? Patch? OXFORD!! - Radley College - like the good old days... or even better - somewhere TOTALLY new! INDOORS ------- Tricky old business indoor Nationals. Difficult to get all the venues for regionals and finals. Difficult to predict the entry as the number of teams can fluctuate wildly. Wayne Davey has expressed an interest in overseeing the whole thing this year. But maybe YOU would like to help!? Maybe you can see a solution to the problems of booking space with little guarantee of numbers. I know that Paul Meaney has put some thought to this already. Look forward to hearing offers of help! Without your help I can guarantee that the whole thing will happen on the last minute panic basis that it has for the last couple of years - if only because you can never predict who will want to play (and where!!)... Sorry for the long message Si From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Sep 2 13:14:42 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id MAA03941; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 12:53:23 +0100 (BST) Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id MAA03927; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 12:53:09 +0100 (BST) Received: from ultimatum.demon.co.uk ([158.152.203.174]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ac1326907; 2 Sep 97 11:57 BST Subject: LUS / Paul's address change / New London Team Date: Tue, 2 Sep 97 12:02:54 +0100 x-sender: ultimatum@pop3.demon.co.uk x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: Paul Hurt To: BritDisc Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Message-ID: <873197830.1326907.2@ultimatum.demon.co.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi All Apologies if none of this is your thing, but... in no particular order... 1. The London Ultimate Session pickup games are still happening Tuesday nights. But not for much longer (getting dark earlier...). Details at http://www.ultimatum.demon.co.uk/lus/ 2. Are you one of the 'new players' who started playing this year through LUS? Or do you know any such players, who don't have e-mail? Do you want to keep playing over the winter (indoors/outdoors)? A new team is starting in London... I'm collecting names and 'phone numbers now. 3. I'm back online. Sorry if anyone's been mailing me and not getting an answer. However I have new postal/phone details - I can now be reached at: 34 Ravenswood Avenue West Wickham Kent BR4 0PW Home: 0181 777 6095 Mobile: 0370 918719 e-mail: paul@ultimatum.demon.co.uk (unchanged) Thanks. See ya (at Clapham tonight perhaps) Paul --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Hurt, London Ultimate Session lus@ultimatum.demon.co.uk http://www.ultimatum.demon.co.uk/lus/ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Sep 2 14:50:08 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id OAA13527; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 14:28:48 +0100 (BST) Received: from nessie.mcc.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id OAA13523; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 14:28:46 +0100 (BST) Received: from ccg.acu.man.ac.uk by nessie.mcc.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Tue, 2 Sep 1997 14:28:13 +0100 Received: from ccMail by ccg.acu.man.ac.uk (ccMail Link to SMTP R6.00.02) id AA873210430; Tue, 02 Sep 97 14:27:33 GMT Message-Id: <9709028732.AA873210430@ccg.acu.man.ac.uk> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R6.00.02 Date: Tue, 02 Sep 97 14:27:48 GMT From: Rob Mitchell To: britdisc Subject: Chevron Action HQ relocates again... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk After four months of intensive guerilla training in our West Didsbury bunker, The Chevron Corps have moved our base of operations. Rob and Kenny can now be contacted either by looking in the Yellow Pages under 'Mercenary Forces' or by writing to: Flat 7, Mayfair Court, Mersey Rd West Didsbury Manchester M20 2PY Tel: 0161 445 3997 email: rob.mitchell@man.ac.uk and if anybody out there happens to run into the evil Mr Luheshi aka The Mortgage Fraudster (our ex-landlord), give the twat a slap from chevron. out From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Sep 2 17:54:53 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id RAA08713; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 17:36:56 +0100 (BST) Received: from renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id RAA08698; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 17:36:26 +0100 (BST) Received: from arran.sms.ed.ac.uk (arran.sms.ed.ac.uk [129.215.141.2]) by renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA23074 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 17:36:19 +0100 (BST) Received: from SMS-ARRAN/SpoolDir by arran.sms.ed.ac.uk (Mercury 1.31); 2 Sep 97 17:35:45 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by SMS-ARRAN (Mercury 1.31); 2 Sep 97 17:35:38 +0000 From: "The Possum `*~ (hallo!)" <9466830@arran.sms.ed.ac.uk> Organization: Student Mail Service To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 17:35:36 +0000 Subject: Sneeeky's contact X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <3339A4E7750@arran.sms.ed.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi All, What with the Sneeeky's beginner's tournament coming up in November (7-8th) you might want the NEW contact details. For any other reasons, it's still changed: Possum 2F3 33 Oxford Street Newington EDINBURGH EH8 9PQ Phone: 0131-667-7600 Email: D.J.Reid@sms.ed.a.c.uk Possum, Sneeeky's "Possum" * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Keep your smile on your face * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Sep 3 12:12:13 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id LAA15141; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 11:48:06 +0100 (BST) Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA15093; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 11:47:56 +0100 (BST) From: Wayne_Retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk Received: from smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id JAA06860; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 09:37:37 +0100 (BST) Received: from smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk (unverified [126.128.26.71]) by smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk (Integralis SMTPRS 2.04) with SMTP id ; Wed, 03 Sep 1997 09:36:07 +0100 Received: from ccMail by smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk (IMA Internet Exchange 2.1 Enterprise) id 0000B311; Wed, 3 Sep 97 09:37:32 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 09:34:03 +0100 Message-Id: <0000B311.004069@watsonwyatt.co.uk> Subject: BUF Nationals WebSite - oops! To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Oops! It's mostly black! (unless you've set your browser to override my colour selections). Now that I've had a quick lesson in hex numbering, I'll upload the fixed pages tonight (prob after 7pm) Wayne Retter (at work) wayne_retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk Layout Dreams layoutdreams@phidelta.demon.co.uk TD: BUF Nationals 1997 http://www.phidelta.demon.co.uk/nato97/ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Sep 3 12:30:38 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id MAA21419; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 12:09:24 +0100 (BST) Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id MAA21392; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 12:09:19 +0100 (BST) Received: from irwell.zetnet.co.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id IAA04752; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 08:44:40 +0100 (BST) Received: from deansgate.zetnet.co.uk (deansgate.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.47.23]) by irwell.zetnet.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA32172 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 08:43:35 +0100 X-ZSender: t.green@zetnet.co.uk Message-ID: <1997090309033874146@zetnet.co.uk> Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 09:03:38 +0100 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: Toby Green X-Mailer: ZIMACS Version 1.10c 10003244 Subject: Whitcombe Golf - Still On Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk In common with others organising sport events this weekend, my mother and I have discussed what to do about our golf tournament. We have decided to go ahead with the tournament since it does span the weekend, and not just Saturday. At the players' meeting at 9.30am on Saturday we can decide the arrangements for the day. Players may wish to watch Diana's funeral rather than play. If it proves too squashed in the Summer House, an additional television is available in the farmhouse. The minute's silence will be observed in any case. We have also decided that all proceeds from the tournament will be donated to the Diana Memorial Fund. I hope you will agree that this is the most appropriate response to these sad circumstances. We look forward to seeing you all at Whitcombe this weekend. Toby & Alison Green From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Sep 3 13:04:19 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id MAA05567; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 12:43:55 +0100 (BST) Received: from clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id MAA05223; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 12:42:53 +0100 (BST) Received: from relay-1.mail.demon.net by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id WAA06525; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 22:11:28 +0100 (BST) Received: from phidelta.demon.co.uk ([158.152.248.177]) by relay-1.mail.demon.net id aa0128299; 2 Sep 97 21:48 BST Date: Tue, 02 Sep 1997 21:32:14 GMT From: Layout Dreams Reply-To: LayoutDreams@phidelta.demon.co.uk Message-Id: <7116@phidelta.demon.co.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Cc: c.hughes1@livjm.ac.uk, merrick.cardew@g4tech.co.uk Subject: BUF Nationals 1997: WebSite X-Organisation: Layout Dreams X-WWW: http://www.phidelta.demon.co.uk/layoutdreams/ X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Lines: 42 Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk IMPORTANT MESSAGES: Any teams that have NOT paid BUT WANT TO ENTER should contact Chris Hughes, 0151-944-2629(h) Wayne Retter, 01737-242109(h) 01737-273611(w) wayne_retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk(w) (or Simon Hill - last resort, sorry Si!) NOW!!!! Any teams that QUALIFIED via the Tour, BUT ARE NOT INTENDING TO ENTER should do the same, even QUICKER (we need to arrange replacements!) ------------------ {Anyway, back to the Subject:} 1997 BUF Outdoor Nationals website is at: http://www.phidelta.demon.co.uk/nato97/ I still have to check some of the files, but I think they should be OK. Information will hopefully go into the post early next week to teams that have paid and entered Wayne Feedback welcomed, though I already know the following: seedings are not necessarily correct (I'm STILL awaiting confirmation from Dave Murray) pools and schedule are not complete (pools due to seedings, schedules because you can be guaranteed that Chris Hughes will disagree with me!) no link to the 1996 results (anybody got them? pref. in a nice html file) no link to invitations (Chris' little letters that I haven't got a copy of to retype from!) apologies for getting carried away in what was going to be a short message! Wayne _____________________________________________________________________________ Chris Hughes layoutDREAMS Wayne Retter +44/0-151-994-2629 LayoutDreams@phidelta.demon.co.uk +44/0-1737-242109 http://www.phidelta.demon.co.uk/layoutdreams/ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Sep 3 23:33:31 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id XAA00960; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 23:18:14 +0100 (BST) Received: from smtp.pe.net by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id XAA00949; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 23:18:11 +0100 (BST) Received: from default (damian@victoria [205.139.56.67]) by smtp.pe.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA28903 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 15:18:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3409EE65.4CB9@pe.net> Date: Sun, 31 Aug 1997 15:21:25 -0700 From: Damian Baraty Reply-To: damian@pe.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Simon Church Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Dear Ian, Thanks for your prompt reply. Simon is one of 2 people I would like to contact. If you see him, tell him I said Hi and I'm trying to reach him. Thanx again. Damian From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Sep 4 10:32:10 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id KAA03171; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 10:16:27 +0100 (BST) Received: from [137.205.222.1] by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id KAA03156; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 10:16:18 +0100 (BST) X-Sender: serai@mail.csv.warwick.ac.uk Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 10:16:09 +0100 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: Dave Neilson Subject: BFDF Coaching Scheme Co-ordinator Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Dear BritDisc Readers, The BFDF have some great news to announce! The BFDF Coach Education Project, led by Simon Moore, will soon be in a position to bear fruit. The 5-level Coaching Awards Scheme has been defined and the fine detail of the Level-1 Ultimate specific course will soon be completed. What does this all mean? In a nutshell, we will soon be able to qualify people as: 'BFDF/BUF certified Ultimate Coach' BUT ... before this can happen, we need somebody to co-ordinate the coaching awards scheme ... COULD THAT BE YOU? Please READ ON .... There are MANY Ultimate players out there waiting for the opportunity to formalise and improve their skills in coaching Ultimate and the main job of the new BFDF Coaching Scheme Co-ordinator will be to SELL the idea of an Ultimate coaching award to all those interested. The target launch of the Ultimate specific coaching course is September/October 1997, so the exact dates need to be fixed, booked and advertised ASAP. The new post holder will need to start straight away, but help and support are never far away. The BFDF team of Executive Officers will be on hand to advise and Simon Moore has already prepared a detailed description of the 5-level scheme which can be simply edited down into a publicity flyer. The outline job description is as follows: * schedule and publicise the Ultimate specific coaching courses; * co-ordinate bookings for the coaching courses; * maintain records of attendance & completion of course; * oversee the preparation and production of certificates; * arrange PR for wider media coverage; * explore sponsorship opportunities for the coaching scheme. More details can be provided to all those interested in taking on this exciting new role. Please contact Sam Neilson in the first instance if you would like to be considered, stating any relevant experience you may have (e.g. PR & Marketing) or particular reasons for wanting to GET INVOLVED! Looking forward to your flood of responses .... Sam Neilson National Director of the BFDF E: D.P.Neilson@warwick.ac.uk T: 01926 864 276 (evenings) P.S. I FIRST POSTED THIS AT THE END OF JUNE, NOBODY HAS YET REPLIED - I CANNOT BELIEVE THAT NOT ONE PLAYER IN BRITAIN IS WILLING TO TAKE THIS ON! PLEASE PASS ON THIS NEWS TO THOSE TEAM-MATES WHO DO NOT SUBSCRIBE TO BRITDISC. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Sep 4 12:51:49 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id MAA17152; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 12:30:10 +0100 (BST) Received: from ultra2.aber.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id MAA17148; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 12:30:05 +0100 (BST) Received: from chardonnay.dcs.aber.ac.uk [193.60.10.81] by ultra2.aber.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0x6a61-0003oy-00; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 12:29:09 +0100 Message-ID: <340E9BBB.3FE5@aber.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 12:30:03 +0100 From: ALEX EVANS X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.02 (X11; I; SunOS 5.5 sun4m) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Not not the nationals Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk We at Mwnci See are planning to put on a demonstration match for the benefit of our freshers (and hopefully the local press) on Sunday September 29th. If your team fancies the opportunity of a night out in Aberystwyth and an afternoon of uncompetative ultimate, all for the price of a tank of petrol, then get your application in now. Perhaps we could return the fixture in your freshers week? (Sorry to bother Britdisc with this, but have you tried contacting student teams over the summer?) Alex aae96@aber.ac.uk 01970 624357 (h) 01970 622403 (w) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Sep 4 15:45:49 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id PAA06993; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 15:24:08 +0100 (BST) From: Wayne_Retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk Received: from smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id PAA06987; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 15:24:03 +0100 (BST) Received: from smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk (unverified [126.128.26.71]) by smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk (Integralis SMTPRS 2.04) with SMTP id ; Thu, 04 Sep 1997 15:23:17 +0100 Received: from ccMail by smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk (IMA Internet Exchange 2.1 Enterprise) id 0000B6C7; Thu, 4 Sep 97 15:24:43 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 15:21:18 +0100 Message-Id: <0000B6C7.004069@watsonwyatt.co.uk> Subject: Open 97: Players Needed To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Cc: Wayne@phidelta.demon.co.uk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk All Due to many of the Druids WUCC squad playing for other teams, the Druids themselves can no longer enter a team to the above tournament. A couple of their players are therefore looking to form a team for the event. We want to form a pickup team of 10 - 14 or so quality players who can attend ALL 4 DAYS with a view to playing hard, having fun and learning from each other (rumour has it that there are a couple of Shotgun boys out there somewhere, a couple of "want-to-learn-more" Oxford players, and probably a few others keeping quiet...) We're trying to get this sorted by FRIDAY NIGHT! Please copy replies to both addresses below... Wayne Retter wayne@phidelta.demon.co.uk wayne_retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Sep 4 18:03:21 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id RAA25426; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 17:40:38 +0100 (BST) Received: from [137.205.222.1] by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id RAA25420; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 17:40:36 +0100 (BST) X-Sender: serai@mail.csv.warwick.ac.uk Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 17:40:28 +0100 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: Dave Neilson Subject: contacts needed Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Can anybody help me with e-mail or phone contact details for any of the following: Ian Bell Paul Salman Wayne Davey Cheers, Sam from Stan. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Sep 5 09:32:26 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id JAA23952; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 09:17:57 +0100 (BST) Received: from stone.dcs.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id JAA23934; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 09:17:55 +0100 (BST) Received: from guardian.dcs.warwick.ac.uk by oyster.dcs.warwick.ac.uk; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 23:02:37 +0100 (BST) Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by guardian.dcs.warwick.ac.uk; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 23:02:49 +0100 (BST) Received: from oxmail4.ox.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id XAA15162; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 23:02:48 +0100 (BST) Received: from sable.ox.ac.uk by oxmail4 with SMTP (PP) with ESMTP; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 23:02:34 +0100 Received: from [192.76.27.45] (max45.public.ox.ac.uk [192.76.27.45]) by sable.ox.ac.uk (1.2/8.8.3) with SMTP id XAA12005; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 23:02:28 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 23:02:28 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199709042202.XAA12005@sable.ox.ac.uk> X-Sender: gree0226@sable.ox.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: andrew.vickers@Green.oxford.ac.uk (Andrew Vickers) Subject: Violently Happy Cc: J.B.Domingue@open.ac.uk Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Message to any players in Violently Happy Please note that, due to the funeral, the tournament in Regents Park has been postponed for 24 hrs and will take place on Sunday 7th at 10 am in the large field south of the zoo. Please make sure that everyone in VH knows about this: some were intending to turn up but we don't know who. Andrew Vickers First Touch From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Sep 5 09:37:16 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id JAA23790; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 09:17:38 +0100 (BST) Received: from stone.dcs.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id JAA23767; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 09:17:34 +0100 (BST) Received: from guardian.dcs.warwick.ac.uk by oyster.dcs.warwick.ac.uk; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 23:02:25 +0100 (BST) Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by guardian.dcs.warwick.ac.uk; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 23:02:36 +0100 (BST) Received: from oxmail4.ox.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id XAA15086; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 23:02:35 +0100 (BST) Received: from sable.ox.ac.uk by oxmail4 with SMTP (PP) with ESMTP; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 23:02:28 +0100 Received: from [192.76.27.45] (max45.public.ox.ac.uk [192.76.27.45]) by sable.ox.ac.uk (1.2/8.8.3) with SMTP id XAA32746; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 23:02:20 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 23:02:20 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199709042202.XAA32746@sable.ox.ac.uk> X-Sender: gree0226@sable.ox.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: andrew.vickers@Green.oxford.ac.uk (Andrew Vickers) Subject: Central London informal pickup tourney postponed till Sunday Cc: joshtosh@cix.compulink.co.uk, ahicks@hawk.rmplc.co.uk, 101336.3664@compuserve.com, scu10@central.sussex.ac.uk, b.soni@ic.ac.uk, mackay@mrao.cam.ac.u Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Dear All It has become apparent that having a frisbee tournament in Central London on Saturday is no longer appropriate or practical. The tournament has been postponed 24 hrs and will take place on Sunday 7th at 10 am in the large field south of the zoo in Regents Park. We've have tried to contact everyone to let them know personally but we can't be sure that there aren't some who are still intending to come on Saturday. If you were intending to come, we look forward to seeing you on Sunday. If you know anyone who was going to come, please give them this message. Andrew Vickers First Touch From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Sep 5 15:28:42 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id PAA27701; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 15:07:35 +0100 (BST) From: MJeffer867@aol.com Received: from emout27.mail.aol.com by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id PAA27657; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 15:07:26 +0100 (BST) Received: (from root@localhost) by emout27.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id KAA15487 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 10:06:46 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 10:06:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970905100440_873684205@emout11.mail.aol.com> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Aaron Altman, hello? Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Does anyone know if Aaron Altman is still on email? If so can you get in touch soon, please. If not, does anyone have an address, (please don't tell me he's left the country) Cheers for your help, Mark Jefferson. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sat Sep 6 19:39:30 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id SAA08066; Sat, 6 Sep 1997 18:51:05 +0100 (BST) Received: from phidelta.demon.co.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id SAA08054; Sat, 6 Sep 1997 18:50:29 +0100 (BST) Date: Sat, 06 Sep 1997 18:19:19 GMT From: LayoutDreams@phidelta.demon.co.uk (Layout Dreams) Reply-To: LayoutDreams@phidelta.demon.co.uk Message-Id: <7195@phidelta.demon.co.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Cc: c.hughes1@livjm.ac.uk Subject: BUF Nationals: Open Division X-Organisation: Layout Dreams X-WWW: http://www.phidelta.demon.co.uk/layoutdreams/ X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Lines: 43 Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk 1997 BUF Outdoor National Championships: Open Division date: 27+28 September 1997 venue: King Edward's Place, Wanborough, nr Swindon, Wiltshire cost: GBP 75.00 The Open Division (also referred to as "Not the Nationals" is open to entry from ANYBODY not playing in Divisions A and B of Nationals. Teams DO NOT have to fulfil any roster requirements Players DO NOT have to meet any eligibility requirements There are NO qualification requirements ie You can assemble a pickup team to enter. Simon Hill reckons that there should be TWELVE teams there... at the moment he appears to be wrong! Prove him right! (Entrants so far: Whiplash, Mud Culture, A Bunch of Girlies,... who else?) This email is aimed especially at: Playthings, Nightfever, Mythago, GB Juniors, Hurricaines, Tribal Desire, Discult, Superfly, Sneeekys.... you should be expecting a phonecall soon! Payment Deadline is (supposedly) MONDAY 8 SEPTEMBER cheques should be sent to LAYOUT DREAMS, along with team contact details. address: 17 Burnham Drive, Reigate, Surrey RH2 9HD contact Wayne at work: wayne_retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk phone: 01737-273611 at home: LayoutDreams@phidelta.demon.co.uk phone: 01737-242109 (NB: Wayne's in Eastbourne from Wednesday Night, mobile: 0966-175173) or Chris at home: phone 0151-944-2629 (NB: Chris is away from Monday night) AND ENTER A TEAM _____________________________________________________________________________ Chris Hughes layoutDREAMS Wayne Retter +44/0-151-994-2629 LayoutDreams@phidelta.demon.co.uk +44/0-1737-242109 http://www.phidelta.demon.co.uk/layoutdreams/ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sun Sep 7 19:16:35 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id SAA12185; Sun, 7 Sep 1997 18:26:56 +0100 (BST) Received: from amsta.leeds.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id SAA12181; Sun, 7 Sep 1997 18:26:25 +0100 (BST) Received: from darcy.leeds.amsta (darcy.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.26]) by amsta.leeds.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA12072 for ; Sun, 7 Sep 1997 18:26:40 +0100 (BST) Received: by darcy.leeds.amsta (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA03376; Sun, 7 Sep 1997 18:26:51 +0000 Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 18:26:51 +0000 From: amtsjh@amsta.leeds.ac.uk (S J Hill) Message-Id: <9709071726.AA03376@darcy.leeds.amsta> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: NOT THE NATIONALS X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk just to add to Wayne's message... Not-the-Nationals was put on so that people who didn't qualify for the Nationals could still be involved in the tournament. This was felt to be something that "people wanted". Consequently we have a big venue so that everyone can play, and that everyone can see some of Nationals. Please support the idea - otherwise it will make a loss and won't happen again. Si ------------------------- Women's Nationals (I promised to send the message from Sue. Here it is, copied out....) ---------------- Women's National Outdoors 1997 Provisional dates: 4/5 October Venue: tbc (hopefully as central as possible) I hope that we will be able to put together about 6-8 teams for this tournament. I have spoken to a number of people about teams and it is hoped that regionally based teams will form. For example: South Coast - Southampton, Brighton, Gosport,... South West - Bristol, Exeter, Bath, .... London - 2 teams? Oxford & Cambridge ? Midlands North - Leeds, Manchester, Leicester, .... Scotland New Zealand and Australian team? If you are interested in playing, please either get a team together, or contact me to find out the name of your regional coordinator. Please phone me if you have any question or suggestions. Thanks Sue Underwood 0121 778 2018 ---------------------- From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Sep 8 08:36:38 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id HAA05704; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 07:48:47 +0100 (BST) Received: from crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id HAA05697; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 07:48:20 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 07:48:12 +0100 (BST) From: Mr R C Doswell Message-Id: <15123.199709080648@crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Received: by crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk id HAA15123; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 07:48:12 +0100 (BST) To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: BUF Events Reminder Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk British Ultimate Federation Disc Events Diary --------------------------------------------- September 1997 -------------- Thursday 11 September 1997 British Open (4 days) Saturday 27 September 1997 BUF National Finals (outdoor) (2 days) @ Swindon (same as Tour III) October 1997 ------------ Saturday 25 October 1997 BUF Regional Championships (3 REGIONS) (2 days) @ ***TDs required*** (date is flexible) November 1997 ------------- Friday 7 November 1997 Sneeky's Beginner's Indoor Tournament (2 days) @ Edinburgh, UK --------------------------------------------------------------- British Ultimate Federation Disc Events Diary http://www.csv.warwick.ac.uk:5201/cgi-bin/diary Ranulf Doswell, ralf@dcs.warwick.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Sep 9 08:39:33 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id IAA24081; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 08:18:10 +0100 (BST) Received: from irwell.zetnet.co.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id IAA24077; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 08:18:07 +0100 (BST) Received: from deansgate.zetnet.co.uk (deansgate.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.47.23]) by irwell.zetnet.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA24559 for ; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 08:18:06 +0100 X-ZSender: t.green@zetnet.co.uk Message-ID: <1997090723313674146@zetnet.co.uk> Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 23:31:36 +0100 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: Toby Green X-Mailer: ZIMACS Version 1.10c 10003244 Subject: Whitcombe Golf - results Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk A select turnout just sixteen players, and a new experiment - Jungle Golf. Three conventional rounds of individual stroke-play. Round 1 highlight, Sam gets within two of the Old Course Record with a 53, and led Derek by three. But it all went pear-shaped on Badger Hotel (New Course), and an eight leaves Sam 119 on the day. Derek's 59 gives him a four shot lead (115). Rafi lay three behind Sam, with Bud (123) fourth. The three women players had a close day: Ruth led the way to the pub with 153, Helen just behind on 154 and Ali in touch with 159. And at the pub, the idea of Jungle Golf took root. The plan is to arrive at a tee, then choose a number from the hat, and play to that hole! Brilliant, until you begin to consider Whitcombe's terrain. So, a little adaption was called for. So Sunday we play a conventional round (New Course again) with the top four players each with 60, save Derek who went two shots better. Tom Soper's 63 also deserves mention. During lunch I vented my spleen poring over the course map, emerging with a titanic new course of just 10 holes. For those who know the course, one hole started at the end of the fourth (New Course) and finished at the bottom of Bunny Valley. Another started at the 6th Tee on the New Course, and finished on the short hole after Hypotenuse. You'll get some idea of it's length and complexity to learn that Derek averaged 4.9 a hole, and together with his group took over four hours to finish. Sam & Rafi did better with 47 apiece, while Bud held fourth with 53. Tom Soper continued his improving form with a 51, and Simon Ailes made a late charge with a 49. The women's battle was won and lost here: Ali and Helen each took 64, to pip Ruth who finished with 70. Final Results: Derek Robins 222 Sam Neilson 226 Rafi Freire 229 Bud Tilton 236 Tom Soper 252 Toby Green 259 Matt Pike 265 Simon Ailes 266 Steve Parker 273 Lindsay Parkin277 Helen Myers 301 Ali Locke 304 Ruth Lissaman 305 Also competed: Neal Pickett 212 (3 rounds) Pete Monk 127 (2 rounds) Phil Sweeney 168 (2 rounds) Many thanks to all who made it. The event raised 262 for the Diana, Princess of Wales Memorial Fund. Next Whitcombe Golf Tournament - February 1997 (unless I get a rush of blood to the head and organise something around New Year!!) Toby From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Sep 9 10:43:32 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id KAA02430; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 10:15:10 +0100 (BST) Received: from venus.le.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id KAA02425; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 10:15:07 +0100 (BST) Received: from owl.le.ac.uk by venus.le.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Tue, 9 Sep 1997 10:11:43 +0100 Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 10:11:40 +0100 (BST) From: Scott X-Sender: iws1@owl To: britdisc Subject: BUF AGM 1997 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk BUF AGM I have been asked by the secretary to serve notice of the BUF AGM which is being held this Friday 12th September at the Saffrons in Eastbourne (where the British Open is being held). It will start at 8.00pm subject to confirmation. All are welcome to attend the meeting and find out a little more about the who, why, when and where of British Ultimate (voting rights are restricted to clubs that are fully paid up members of the BUF only). The agenda will include; - Officers reports - Election of BUF officers - Finances and budget for 1997/98 - Matters arising Please get involved. Scott National Director (at least until Friday!) /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ SCOTT: Ian Scotland Tel: 0116 2525824 Fax: 0116 2523154 E-mail: iws1@le.ac.uk http://wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk/buf/ /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Sep 9 17:42:45 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id RAA22716; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 17:18:39 +0100 (BST) Received: from mailhost.dircon.co.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id RAA22711; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 17:18:35 +0100 (BST) Received: from [194.112.56.220] (th-eng09-185.pool.dircon.co.uk [194.112.56.185]) by mailhost.dircon.co.uk (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA17239 for ; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 17:18:33 +0100 (BST) X-Sender: daltay@194.112.32.30 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 17:23:50 +0100 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: admin@daletaylor.co.uk (Dale Taylor) Subject: BritOpen97 Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk The British Open starts on Thursday of this week and suddenly several teams have seen fit to decide that they can't make it after all. There are now therefore several slots at the tournament for which a non-refundable deposit has been paid. If any of you would like to enter a team at the last minute, only paying the balance of the tournament fee IE GBP100, as their full tournament entry fee, I would be happy to accommodate you. Having already incurred expenses due to the number of teams who originally entered, I feel it would be only right to attempt to reduce the wastage. The above would appear to be the best solution. Alternatively, any individuals who join the pickup team or teams that I hope to organise, will benefit from a similar deal. Please get in touch as soon as possible. Regards Nolan From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Sep 9 21:20:05 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id UAA08085; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 20:56:29 +0100 (BST) Received: from oxmail4.ox.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id UAA08077; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 20:56:26 +0100 (BST) Received: from sable.ox.ac.uk by oxmail4 with SMTP (PP) with ESMTP; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 20:54:33 +0100 Received: from [192.76.27.28] (max28.public.ox.ac.uk [192.76.27.28]) by sable.ox.ac.uk (1.2/8.8.3) with SMTP id UAA22457 for ; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 20:54:27 +0100 (BST) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 20:54:27 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199709091954.UAA22457@sable.ox.ac.uk> X-Sender: gree0226@sable.ox.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: andrew.vickers@Green.oxford.ac.uk (Andrew Vickers) Subject: Chris Rushlow Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Playing pick-up in New York, I met someone called Chris Rushlow who played for Sirens and GB Women in the mid-80s. She asked me to say hello to Debbie (Salman presumably) from GB women, Sammy (Neilson I guess) from Tenants, Charlie who organised the tournament, Roz, Izzie and anyone else who knows me. If you want to get in contact, she can be reached at: rushlow@is.nyu.edu (Chris Rushlow) Andrew Vickers From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Sep 10 12:28:06 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id LAA24106; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 11:58:56 +0100 (BST) From: Wayne_Retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk Received: from smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA24097; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 11:58:52 +0100 (BST) Received: from smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk (unverified [126.128.26.71]) by smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk (Integralis SMTPRS 2.04) with SMTP id ; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 11:58:07 +0100 Received: from ccMail by smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk (IMA Internet Exchange 2.1 Enterprise) id 0000C101; Wed, 10 Sep 97 11:59:36 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 11:54:54 +0100 Message-Id: <0000C101.004069@watsonwyatt.co.uk> Subject: BUF Nationals: Information Packs To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk The information packs go into the post TODAY, so team contacts should = receive them on Saturday at the latest... They contain all sorts of useful info, like directions to the = tournament and the campsite, a list of places to stay if you don't = want to camp, how to book rooms at Allied Dunbar for Saturday night = (there are 6 DOUBLE ROOMS) and a list of places to eat (this time = around, we've warned the local pub!) if you're there Friday night or = don't want to eat at Allied Dunbar on Saturday night, which reminds = me: Allied Dunbar MENU: (at approx =A36.00 per serving) Chicken Risotto Spaghetti Bolognese Vegetable Pasta It would be nice to know roughly how many people are planning to eat = at Allied Dunbar, so that they don't under/over prepare. There are NO DETAILS of the schedule as yet, though the Division A and = B seedings and pools are shown on the website. Open Division details = still to be confirmed. Everybody should assume that the captain's meeting(s) are on Saturday = at 9.00am with games to start about 9.30am, and you're all playing = first game! Questions? email/call us, bearing in mind that we're at the BUF Open = in Eastbourne from Thursday to Sunday Wayne Retter (see below) or Chris Hughes (0151-944-2629) Wayne Retter at work: Wayne_Retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk 01737-273611 for Layout Dreams, LayoutDreams@phidelta.demon.co.uk 01737-242109 1997 BUF National Outdoor Ultimate Championships tournament website: http://www.phidelta.demon.co.uk/nato97/ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Sep 11 13:43:20 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id NAA14473; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 13:20:51 +0100 (BST) Received: from lupin.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id NAA14455; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 13:20:45 +0100 (BST) Received: from localhost by lupin.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id NAA25681; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 13:20:40 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 13:20:32 +0100 (BST) From: Mr M J Jefferson X-Sender: haucf@lupin To: Britdisc Subject: ISP problems. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk For anyone who wants to know, (and in fact everyone who doesn't,) I'm having yet more problems with my ISP and will be unreachable by email for the next few days, perhaps even more. If you want to speak to me my telephone number is 01229 828586, or alternatively drop me a line to 10 Park Drive, Barrow-In-Furness, Cumbria, LA13 9BA. Bye for now, Mark Jefferson. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Sep 11 16:33:23 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id QAA01468; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 16:02:03 +0100 (BST) From: Andy_Lucey@cargill.com Received: from cargill.com by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id QAA01459; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 16:01:56 +0100 (BST) Received: (from root@localhost) by cargill.com (8.8.2/8.8.0) id KAA21352 for ; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 10:01:09 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lonn.cgo.cargill.com(172.31.59.51) by charon.cargill.com via smap (V1.3mjr) id sma021328; Thu Sep 11 09:00:53 1997 Received: from by lonn.cgo.cargill.com (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA38072; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 15:58:00 +0100 X-Openmail-Hops: 1 Date: Thu, 11 Sep 97 15:57:25 +0100 Message-Id: Subject: bdga matchplay Mime-Version: 1.0 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; name="cc:Mail" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk The second BDGA matchplay tournament is coming to decide who 'really is the best golfer in the country.' Proposed venue this year is Colchester, Essex university campus on the weekend 25 /26 october. I am aware that this weekend may clash with BUF Regionals but i havent seen a confirmation of this events dates yet- can someone please confirm? The matchplay tournament, will as last year, be only open to the top 16 from the BDGA tour this year so the last event at Burnlaw in Northumberland next weekend will see a scramble for the final places in this prestigious event on the golfing calender.( ! ) toy