From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Sep 15 08:22:50 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id HAA02887; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 07:48:11 +0100 (BST) Received: from crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id HAA02883; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 07:48:09 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 07:48:07 +0100 (BST) From: Mr R C Doswell Message-Id: <5244.199709150648@crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Received: by crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk id HAA05244; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 07:48:07 +0100 (BST) To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: BUF Events Reminder Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk British Ultimate Federation Disc Events Diary --------------------------------------------- September 1997 -------------- Saturday 27 September 1997 BUF National Finals (outdoor) (2 days) @ Swindon (same as Tour III) October 1997 ------------ Saturday 25 October 1997 BUF Regional Championships (3 REGIONS) (2 days) @ ***TDs required*** (date is flexible) November 1997 ------------- Friday 7 November 1997 Sneeky's Beginner's Indoor Tournament (2 days) @ Edinburgh, UK Saturday 29 November 1997 Village People Indoors (2 days) @ Trinity School, Croydon --------------------------------------------------------------- British Ultimate Federation Disc Events Diary http://www.csv.warwick.ac.uk:5201/cgi-bin/diary Ranulf Doswell, ralf@dcs.warwick.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Sep 15 15:04:19 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id OAA02985; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 14:35:54 +0100 (BST) Received: from fwi.rsc.org by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id OAA02981; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 14:35:51 +0100 (BST) Received: tid OAA00692; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 14:35:00 +0100 Received: from ssp12.rsc.org by rsc.org (PMDF V5.1-8 #21061) with ESMTP id <01INOB6AMUJK0034GV@rsc.org> for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 14:33:14 GMT Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 14:30:20 -0700 From: Richard Kidd Subject: Information request: James Chisholm? To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Message-id: <341DA8EC.8D09A988@rsc.org> Organization: The Royal Society of Chemistry MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win16; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Apologies for jamming up the list, but: Does anyone on this list have contact details for James Chisholm? I'm an old schoolfriend trying to track him down, and he used to be pretty active in the UK frisbee scene (in the mid-80's anyway). Age 32, originally from Leeds, last heard of living in Leicester. Thanks for your time Rich Kidd 5a The Green Histon Cambridge CB4 4JA kiddr@rsc.org From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Sep 16 12:13:06 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id LAA14667; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 11:50:03 +0100 (BST) From: dmurray@soton.ac.uk Received: from beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA14658; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 11:50:00 +0100 (BST) Received: from ash.sucs.soton.ac.uk (ash.sucs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.128.88]) by beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.5/server) with ESMTP id LAA18778 for ; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 11:50:00 +0100 (BST) Received: (from dmurray@localhost) by ash.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.5/client) id LAA15920 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 11:49:59 +0100 (BST) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 11:49:59 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199709161049.LAA15920@ash.sucs.soton.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: houses Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-MD5: JCAJO54+dI7h5puWCghXVg== Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk this is sort of frisbee related I am player down here in southampton who is soon to join the London crowd. I am starting a new job 29th october and am looking for somewhere temporary to live for 1-2 months in the london area from the end of october. if you have any spaces or know of any others going can you please let me know Dave Murray UTI From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Sep 16 15:50:29 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id PAA03792; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 15:34:11 +0100 (BST) Received: from dirc.bris.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id PAA03782; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 15:34:01 +0100 (BST) Received: from mail.bris.ac.uk by dirc.bris.ac.uk with SMTP-PRIV (PP) with ESMTP; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 15:33:56 +0100 Received: from [137.222.156.112] (behv1.lang.bris.ac.uk [137.222.156.112]) by mail.bris.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA23366 for ; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 15:33:00 +0100 (BST) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 15:40:05 +0000 From: Raf.Freire@Bristol.ac.uk Subject: Doubles matchplay again To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk One important bit of information I forgot about the golf doubles matchplay in Bristol (Ashton court estate, 11/12 october)... It won't clash with the England v Italy footie game and you'll be able to see the game in the pub sponsoring the tournie... Bud Tilton (0117) 9268055 From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Sep 16 16:04:32 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id PAA04473; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 15:41:09 +0100 (BST) Received: from mailhost.dircon.co.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id PAA04460; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 15:40:56 +0100 (BST) Received: from [194.112.56.11] (th-eng07-055.pool.dircon.co.uk [194.112.56.55]) by mailhost.dircon.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.7) with SMTP id PAA25703 for ; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 15:40:51 +0100 (BST) X-Sender: daltay@194.112.32.30 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 15:46:13 +0100 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: admin@daletaylor.co.uk (Dale Taylor) Subject: BritOpen97 Results Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk <<>> <<>> This year's Open saw UTI take the title for the first time, beating Catch 22 By 21 to 16 in an exciting final. The semis were a great spectacle once again, with Catch v Chevron in the 5.15 slot and Shotgun v UTI under floodlights at 7.15. The Catch, Chevvy Semi was a slightly one-sided affair with Catch taking an early lead and steadily building their lead to the end. Sorry but I don't actually know the score. In the Gun v UTI Semi, a spectacular battle ensued and the small crowd who braved a rapidly cooling evening were delighted to see a change in the usual status quo. I'll let Dave Murray tell the story... Aswell as being a grudge match from last year, a good crowd and playing under floodlights meant that both teams were up for this game. Playing each other for the first time this year, for once UTI had the advantage in numbers and it was decided from the start that the key would be to run shotgun hard and tire them quick. Because of their lack of players, and UTI's previous problems with zone, shotgun decided they would play zone throughout. This play seemed to work as some stupid passes by UTI and some great offence by shotgun gave them a 5-1 lead. A UTI time out gave some time to sort things out and the come back started. UTI defence stepped up and this started to really tire the shotgun players who were know really having to work to get free. gradually the game was pulled back with UTI leading 10-9 at half. In the second half the UTI defence really started to show and the shotgun offence really started to suffer. Demoralising points like a rare point block on Aram (by Alex, I think - Ed), and some great catches on offence let UTI take a small lead. At this point the lack of players showed and shotgun players started to hurt with several suffering cramps and injuries. The game finished at 16-12 with a large knife against the zone to give UTI their first victory against shotgun, and I promise you it was greatly celebrated. The Final, again by Dave Murray... On Sunday both UTI and Catch 22 had to recover from the previous nights celebrations to play the final. UTI came out pumped and great team spirit and hot defence let them pull out a lead. the first half seemed one sided with a combination of good plays both on offence and D really demoralising Catch. Then when 11-4 down at half, when it would have been easy for Catch to give up, they came out fired up and improved their play several fold, looking almost a different team, gradually through the half Catch pulled points back and UTI faultered slightly but in the end the held their heads and teh first half lead proved too much, UTI running out winners 21-16. Looking good for next year with two younger squads coming through to challenge for top honours and hopefully finally give Shotgun something to worry about. Great tournament by all spirit in both games was high with not one contested call in either of these big games. MVP was won by Ian/Jock/Gynga/Sick Boy of UTI (with Paulo & Lee very close 2nd & 3rd respectively - Ed). Final Placings... 1 UTI 2 Catch 22 3 Shotgun 4 Chevron 5 Red 6 Headrush 7 Violently Happy 8 Red Shift 9 XLR8RS 10 Black & White 11 Blue Arse Flies 12 More Than Just A Hint 13 Have Hammer Will Travel 14 Night Fever 15 BGA 16 Mad Kows 17 Superfly The spirit vote was a three way tie between Catch, BGA, XLR8RS, More than just a hint and Blue arse flies. Next year's Open will be three day affair from 11th to 13th September. A lost property list will be published as soon as I've had time to go through it all. Thanks to all who took part. See you next year Nolan From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Sep 16 16:42:43 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id QAA07818; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 16:15:39 +0100 (BST) Received: from ultra2.aber.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id QAA07813; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 16:15:32 +0100 (BST) Received: from cassin.dcs.aber.ac.uk [193.60.10.80] by ultra2.aber.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xAzKX-0005pQ-00; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 16:14:21 +0100 Message-ID: <341EA28E.446E@aber.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 16:15:26 +0100 From: ALEX EVANS X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.02 (X11; I; SunOS 5.5 sun4m) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: BritOpen97 Correction Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk The semi score was actually UTI 19 - 14 Shotgun. Well it matters to us. Thanks to Nolan & everyone else involved, great event. Alex UTI / Mwnci See From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Sep 17 18:53:23 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id SAA08113; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 18:07:13 +0100 (BST) Received: from wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id SAA08109; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 18:07:09 +0100 (BST) Received: by wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk (UK-Smail 3.1.25.1/15) id ; Wed, 17 Sep 97 18:07 BST Message-Id: Date: Wed, 17 Sep 97 18:07 BST From: mackay@mrao.cam.ac.uk (David J.C. MacKay) To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: (1) lonely hearts in Swindon (2) Discs Cc: mackay@mrao.cam.ac.uk Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk (1) Strange Blue are seeking a couple of pick-up players to pad out their `Not the Nationals' team for Swindon. If interested please let me know. (2) If you would like ultrastars , please give me your order before Swindon. Prices are 7 pounds each; or if you are running a juniors team, >>>>>>>> 3.75 each. <<<<<<<<< Conclusion: start a juniors team!! ------ David ========================================================================== David J.C. MacKay email: mackay@mrao.cam.ac.uk www: http://wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk/mackay/ Cavendish Laboratory, tel: (01223) 339852 fax: 354599 home: 276411 Madingley Road, international code: +44 1223 Cambridge CB3 0HE. U.K. room: 982 Rutherford Building ------------ At Newton Inst: 330536 ------------- From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Sep 17 22:27:58 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id WAA21122; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 22:09:52 +0100 (BST) Received: from phidelta.demon.co.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id WAA21113; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 22:09:43 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 21:21:07 GMT From: LayoutDreams@phidelta.demon.co.uk (Layout Dreams) Reply-To: LayoutDreams@phidelta.demon.co.uk Message-Id: <7334@phidelta.demon.co.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Cc: merrick.cardew@g4tech.co.uk Subject: Nationals: Physio X-Organisation: Layout Dreams X-WWW: http://www.phidelta.demon.co.uk/layoutdreams/ X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Lines: 26 Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk More good news! PHYSIO Sarah Ferguson MCSP.SRP. Chartered Physiotherapist will be at Nationals for Saturday (definately) and Sunday (possibly) If you're in need of pregame strapping, etc. she'll be more than willing to help. There may be a small charge for tape costs (if you're prone to something special, it may be polite to bring your own tape!) Sarah was the EUC97 tournament physio... MASSAGE Pre and Post game, and just general, massage will be available throughout the weekend from the Academy of Sports Thereapy who'll have 6 staff on site for each day of the tournament. FIRST AID A St John Ambulance crew will be around all weekend to patch you up and rush you off to hospital (if you really need it). Please try to give them little to do other than watch some class Ultimate. _____________________________________________________________________________ Chris Hughes layoutDREAMS Wayne Retter +44/0-151-994-2629 LayoutDreams@phidelta.demon.co.uk +44/0-1737-242109 http://www.phidelta.demon.co.uk/layoutdreams/ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Sep 17 22:29:43 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id WAA21083; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 22:08:38 +0100 (BST) Received: from phidelta.demon.co.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id WAA21076; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 22:08:31 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 21:01:37 GMT From: LayoutDreams@phidelta.demon.co.uk (Layout Dreams) Reply-To: LayoutDreams@phidelta.demon.co.uk Message-Id: <7325@phidelta.demon.co.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Nationals: Equipment Needed X-Organisation: Layout Dreams X-WWW: http://www.phidelta.demon.co.uk/layoutdreams/ X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Lines: 25 Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Dear All, Nationals is a-coming and we're out to borrow some stuff.... CONES If anybody has sets of cones that they can bring to Nationals, please let me know so that I can check that we have enough - we don't want to resort to flags again! WATER CONTAINERS Would individual players please ensure that they bring water bottles. The BUF water containers (has anybody picked one up after Ross or BUF Open???) will be there, but there aren't enough for one-per-pitch. TIME SIGNALS (Seriously) Anybody got access to an Air Raid Siren, or suchlike, that we can borrow for Nationals? We're after something that sounds completely different to an air horn.... Here's hopin' Wayne _____________________________________________________________________________ Chris Hughes layoutDREAMS Wayne Retter +44/0-151-994-2629 LayoutDreams@phidelta.demon.co.uk +44/0-1737-242109 http://www.phidelta.demon.co.uk/layoutdreams/ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Sep 17 22:35:24 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id WAA21077; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 22:08:32 +0100 (BST) Received: from phidelta.demon.co.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id WAA21064; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 22:08:22 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 20:57:17 GMT From: LayoutDreams@phidelta.demon.co.uk (Layout Dreams) Reply-To: LayoutDreams@phidelta.demon.co.uk Message-Id: <7323@phidelta.demon.co.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Cc: merrick.cardew@g4tech.co.uk Subject: Nationals: Start Times X-Organisation: Layout Dreams X-WWW: http://www.phidelta.demon.co.uk/layoutdreams/ X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Lines: 15 Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk BUF National Outdoor Championships 1997 27 and 28 September 1997 King Edwards Place, nr Swindon CAPTAIN'S MEETING is at 9.00am FOR ALL DIVISIONS Schedules will be handed out at the Captain's Meeting tournament website http://www.phidelta.demon.co.uk/nato97/ _____________________________________________________________________________ Chris Hughes layoutDREAMS Wayne Retter +44/0-151-994-2629 LayoutDreams@phidelta.demon.co.uk +44/0-1737-242109 http://www.phidelta.demon.co.uk/layoutdreams/ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Sep 17 22:37:19 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id WAA21130; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 22:09:56 +0100 (BST) Received: from phidelta.demon.co.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id WAA21120; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 22:09:51 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 21:59:13 GMT From: Wayne@phidelta.demon.co.uk (Wayne Retter) Reply-To: Wayne@phidelta.demon.co.uk Message-Id: <7337@phidelta.demon.co.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Catch22 contact needed X-WWW: http://www.phidelta.demon.co.uk/ X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Lines: 15 Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Sorry to bother you all: Simon Hill's in Germany (I think) so I need a Catch22 player who can contact Paulo/Christian Nistri to contact me at work ASAP on Thursday email me on wayne_retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk or phone me on 01737-273611 otherwise... anybody willing to supply me with Paulo/Christian's phone number(s) Ta Wayne -------------------------- Wayne Retter Wayne@phidelta.demon.co.uk http://www.phidelta.demon.co.uk/ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Sep 18 21:01:51 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id UAA20428; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 20:43:03 +0100 (BST) Received: from pluto.open.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id UAA20424; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 20:43:00 +0100 (BST) Received: from acsfc-mail (actually host acsfc-mail.open.ac.uk) by pluto.open.ac.uk with SMTP Local (PP); Thu, 18 Sep 1997 20:42:19 +0100 From: wmd4@student.open.ac.uk (Wayne Davey) To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 20:06:51 +0100 Subject: National Indoors 98 Message-ID: Organization: Open University MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-ID: X-Gateway: NASTA Gate 1.18 for FirstClass(R) Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk NATIONAL INDOORS ================ Last year this event was held very successfully in Edinburgh and we now need bids for next year's tournament. The following factors need to be considered:- 1. Date: some flexibility but ideally the last weekend in February. 2. Size of venue Ideally this should again be a 24 team tournament (bids are also needed for regional qualifying tournaments). This would need at least 2 and preferably 3 halls. At least one hall should be LARGE for the final games. 3. Other things to consider:- -approximate cost -medical facilities -accommodation for players If you want to put forward a bid then please contact me at: email: wmd4@student.open.ac.uk tel: 01225-462212 Wayne Davey UTI From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sun Sep 21 18:23:04 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id SAA03847; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 18:04:28 +0100 (BST) Received: from amsta.leeds.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id SAA03843; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 18:04:26 +0100 (BST) Received: from newton.leeds.amsta (newton.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.64]) by amsta.leeds.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA09942 for ; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 18:04:47 +0100 (BST) Received: by newton.leeds.amsta (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id SAA07392; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 18:07:27 +0100 Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 18:07:27 +0100 From: amtsjh@amsta.leeds.ac.uk (S J Hill) Message-Id: <199709211707.SAA07392@newton.leeds.amsta> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Hi from Vancouver X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hello. Can anyone help this guy Jeff? He sent me this message while I was still away - maybe somebody can still help?? altho' he must be nearly here by now. Is Fiona Macrae the Fiona of 'short-aussie' fame? or is there another...? I hope somebody can help - maybe you can John P? Maybe this makes more sense to you? The guy clearly has good taste as he was beside himself with glee to get his hands on a 22-shirt! Hope somebody can help... Si ----- Begin Included Message ----- >From nykoluk@unixg.ubc.ca Thu Sep 18 22:21:58 1997 Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 11:20:16 -0700 From: Jeff Nykoluk MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amtsjh@amsta.leeds.ac.uk Subject: Hi from Vancouver Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Simon I got your address from Piers. Actually if I remember correctly I purchased a Catch 22 shirt from you and Nick at Worlds. Anyways I am trying to find Fiona Macrae in London. Apparently she is staying at John Purdies house. I will be there on Sept 22 and was supposed to be staying at her place - but it sounds like she doesn't even have a place herself. Thanks for your help! jeff ----- End Included Message ----- From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sun Sep 21 22:05:11 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id VAA10665; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 21:39:36 +0100 (BST) Received: from phidelta.demon.co.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id VAA10657; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 21:39:30 +0100 (BST) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 21:34:06 GMT From: LayoutDreams@phidelta.demon.co.uk (Layout Dreams) Reply-To: LayoutDreams@phidelta.demon.co.uk Message-Id: <7372@phidelta.demon.co.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Pickups for Nationals Open Division X-Organisation: Layout Dreams X-WWW: http://www.phidelta.demon.co.uk/layoutdreams/ X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Lines: 25 Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Anybody without a team, who wants to play... Strange Blue need you! Forwarded message follows: > Date: Sun, 21 Sep 97 15:45 BST > From: mackay@mrao.cam.ac.uk (David J.C. MacKay) > To: LayoutDreams@phidelta.demon.co.uk > > Dear Wayne, > if you get anyone interested in a pickup team, we need them badly. > We lost three players to injury and employment today! > > David > S.B. > > ========================================================================== > David J.C. MacKay email: mackay@mrao.cam.ac.uk > www: http://wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk/mackay/ > Cavendish Laboratory, tel: (01223) 339852 fax: 354599 home: 276411 > Madingley Road, international code: +44 1223 > Cambridge CB3 0HE. U.K. room: 982 Rutherford Building ------------ At Newton Inst: 330536 ------------- _____________________________________________________________________________ Chris Hughes layoutDREAMS Wayne Retter +44/0-151-994-2629 LayoutDreams@phidelta.demon.co.uk +44/0-1737-242109 http://www.phidelta.demon.co.uk/layoutdreams/ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Sep 22 08:05:27 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id HAA28088; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 07:48:14 +0100 (BST) Received: from crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id HAA28081; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 07:48:12 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 07:48:09 +0100 (BST) From: Mr R C Doswell Message-Id: <10143.199709220648@crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Received: by crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk id HAA10143; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 07:48:09 +0100 (BST) To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: BUF Events Reminder Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk British Ultimate Federation Disc Events Diary --------------------------------------------- September 1997 -------------- Saturday 27 September 1997 BUF National Finals (outdoor) (2 days) @ Swindon (same as Tour III) October 1997 ------------ Saturday 25 October 1997 BUF Regional Championships (3 REGIONS) (2 days) @ ***TDs required*** (date is flexible) November 1997 ------------- Friday 7 November 1997 Sneeky's Beginner's Indoor Tournament (2 days) @ Edinburgh, UK Saturday 29 November 1997 Village People Indoors (2 days) @ Trinity School, Croydon --------------------------------------------------------------- British Ultimate Federation Disc Events Diary http://www.csv.warwick.ac.uk:5201/cgi-bin/diary Ranulf Doswell, ralf@dcs.warwick.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Sep 22 14:00:46 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id NAA26773; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 13:29:14 +0100 (BST) Received: from mailhost.dircon.co.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id NAA26734; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 13:28:30 +0100 (BST) Received: from [194.112.57.242] (th-eng12-242.pool.dircon.co.uk [194.112.57.242]) by mailhost.dircon.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA28860 for ; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 13:28:21 +0100 (BST) X-Sender: daltay@194.112.32.30 (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 13:33:47 +0100 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: admin@daletaylor.co.uk (Dale Taylor) Subject: BritOpen97 Lost Property Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Well I've now had time to go through all the flotsam & jetsam left around after the Open, so here is the long list... Disc WUCC 97, White (Guy UTI) Disc No Borders, White Disc 4th Open, Notre Dame de Monts, Orange Disc Freezzzbeezzz Brugge, White Water Bottle Pagnallo 97, White Cap Chesapeake, Green with Blue Peak, Faded Cap x 2 Large Hand Logo, Green Shirt Button Front, Debenhams, Dark Blue & Green with Red Trim Shirt Long Sleeve, Blue/White Striped Shirt Long Sleeve, Button Front, Saratoga, White Shirt Long Sleeve, Button Front, Michael John, Lilacy Grey Shirt Long Sleeve, Staccato, Dark Blue T Shirt Next, Short Sleeve, Grey T Shirt Sleeveless, Discmen, Black T Shirt Warwick Bears, Grey T Shirt x 2 Plain, Black Sweatshirt Boxfresh, Green with White & Beige Trim Sweatshirt Quicksilver, Dark Blue with Cream Sleeves & Green Trim Hooded Sweat World Clubs 95, Grey Vest Calgary Cynics, Black Jog Pants Puma, Lined, Torn, Black Jog Pants Gap, Cotton, Navy Jog Pants Bluebase, Cotton, Pale Blue/Grey Marl Knee Support Vulcan, Blue Trainers Reebok Cleats Addidas, Left Foot Only Cleats Dita Cleats Puma Studs Patrick PLEASE go to the trouble of passing this on to your non-connected team mates. Last year only about 10% of the stuff was claimed and I was stuck with it for ages. Also, some of it has already been asked for, before it was actually handed in, so I know there are quite a few players out there who want their property returned. THIS time, I will take it all to Nationals, if it's not claimed then, I will store it until 3rd October, after which it will be binned, given to charity shops or you will see me wearing it, as appropriate. Regards Nolan From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Sep 22 15:02:16 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id OAA04753; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 14:41:23 +0100 (BST) Received: from venus.le.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id OAA04748; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 14:41:19 +0100 (BST) Received: from rose.le.ac.uk by venus.le.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Mon, 22 Sep 1997 14:37:29 +0100 Received: from ROSE/SpoolDir by rose.le.ac.uk (Mercury 1.31); 22 Sep 97 14:41:33 +0100 (BST) Received: from SpoolDir by ROSE (Mercury 1.31); 22 Sep 97 14:41:22 +0100 (BST) From: "M.J. Ashton" To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 14:41:20 +0100 (BST) Subject: JESTERS X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.40) Message-ID: <1E79FAA28F8@rose.le.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Okay JESTERS NEW, NEW address is: Mark Ashton(captain) 5 Linton street Evington Leicester LE5 5BJ tel:(0116) 2734099 Cheers and see you all in the upcoming tournaments Mark From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Sep 22 21:36:48 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id VAA09452; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 21:21:28 +0100 (BST) Received: from phidelta.demon.co.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id VAA09447; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 21:21:17 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 21:11:57 GMT From: LayoutDreams@phidelta.demon.co.uk (Layout Dreams) Reply-To: LayoutDreams@phidelta.demon.co.uk Message-Id: <7397@phidelta.demon.co.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Regional Outdoor Championships ? X-Organisation: Layout Dreams X-WWW: http://www.phidelta.demon.co.uk/layoutdreams/ X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Lines: 24 Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk For information: Layout Dreams is NOT planning to host a Regional Championships. Reason: We're taking a break... Question: Is anybody else ? Reason: I wanna play !!! Wayne > British Ultimate Federation Disc Events Diary > --------------------------------------------- > > October 1997 > ------------ > > Saturday 25 October 1997 > BUF Regional Championships (3 REGIONS) (2 days) > @ ***TDs required*** (date is flexible) _____________________________________________________________________________ Chris Hughes layoutDREAMS Wayne Retter LayoutDreams@phidelta.demon.co.uk +44/0-1737-242109 http://www.phidelta.demon.co.uk/layoutdreams/ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Sep 23 10:08:43 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id JAA11938; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 09:33:00 +0100 (BST) Received: from gw-nl1.philips.com by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id JAA11926; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 09:32:53 +0100 (BST) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by gw-nl1.philips.com (8.6.10/8.6.10-0.994n-08Nov95) id KAA12112 for ; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 10:32:26 +0200 Received: from smtprelay.nl.cis.philips.com(130.139.36.3) by gw-nl1.philips.com via smap (V1.3+ESMTP) with ESMTP id sma011786; Tue Sep 23 10:31:46 1997 Received: from mailgate.soton.sc.philips.com (mailgate.soton.sc.philips.com [130.141.89.1]) by smtprelay.nl.cis.philips.com (8.6.10/8.6.10-1.2.1m-970402) with ESMTP id KAA00432 for ; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 10:31:45 +0200 Received: from rattle.soton.sc.philips.com ([130.141.7.150]) by mailgate.soton.sc.philips.com (8.6.10/8.6.10-1.001a-24Jul96) with ESMTP id JAA10127 for ; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 09:32:27 +0100 Received: from coral (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rattle.soton.sc.philips.com (8.6.10/8.6.10-1.001a-24Jul96) with SMTP id JAA12520 for ; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 09:27:07 +0100 Message-ID: <34277D5B.7EAA@soton.sc.philips.com> Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 09:27:07 +0100 From: Andrew Kayley Organization: Philips Semiconductors Ltd. (Southampton) X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (X11; I; HP-UX B.10.20 9000/829) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: future tournaments Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi, I am trying to sort out some dates for holding a tournament and going on holiday over the next few months. It would really help avoiding tournament clashes if anyone who is thinking of holding a tournament could let me know the possible dates. Reply directly to me if you would prefer it if the information wasn't released to the masses quite yet. Thanks Andy (Redshift) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Sep 23 19:55:03 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id OAA22996; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 14:24:55 +0100 (BST) Received: from hermes.ucd.ie by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id OAA22970; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 14:24:40 +0100 (BST) Received: from ollamh.ucd.ie by hermes.ucd.ie (PMDF V5.1-10 #16181) with ESMTP id <0EGY00EU7QJZMH@hermes.ucd.ie> for Britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 14:23:59 +0100 (BST) Received: from OLLAMH/SpoolDir by ollamh.ucd.ie (Mercury 1.21); Tue, 23 Sep 1997 14:24:00 +0100 (BST) Received: from SpoolDir by OLLAMH (Mercury 1.21); Tue, 23 Sep 1997 14:23:47 +0100 (BST) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 14:23:44 +0100 (BST) From: "NIC NIOCAILL (PHARMACOLOGY) PG" Subject: disc in Dublin To: Britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Message-id: <4A9E94140A@ollamh.ucd.ie> Organization: University College Dublin MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk ultimate is alive and well here in Dublin and at the moment we are trying to set up another club in University College Dublin (UCD) anyone interested in playing should head to Herbert Park (Donnybrock) on Sunday afternoons and Thursday evening, or alternatively get in touch for more information Brid From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Sep 24 10:04:38 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id JAA27328; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 09:37:08 +0100 (BST) Received: from shrimp.dcs.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id JAA27323; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 09:37:04 +0100 (BST) Received: from shrimp.dcs.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id JAA26771; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 09:30:39 +0100 (BST) Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id XAA03731; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 23:21:28 +0100 (BST) Received: from sdc1.demon.co.uk ([194.222.153.201]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1000259; 23 Sep 97 23:09 BST Message-ID: <05+MRCAU3DK0EwsN@sdc1.demon.co.uk> Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 23:08:20 +0100 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: Simon Church Subject: BUF EGM at Nationals MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Version 3.02 Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk OK, so I know it seems like only the other week that we held the BUF AGM down at Eastbourne. Well that is probably because it was only a week ago! But the decision was taken there that we needed a further meeting (this Emergency General Meeting) to discuss important matters that we didn't have enough time for at Eastbourne. Therefore we are going to be holding an EGM at (unless you hear otherwise) 8pm this Saturday 27th Sept in the Allied Dunbar building on site at Swindon. There will be a proper agenda for the meeting, but basically we will be discussing two main subjects: Communication - this includes Ultimatum, and is about whether any changes, either drastic or small need to happen to improve what the BUF provides for Ultimate players. The BFDF (British Flying Disc Federation) - how we see the partnership between ourselves and this new organisation developing. I will remind you that it is occasions like this that are YOUR chance to influence the direction the BUF is going, and to help make Ultimate in this country what you want it to be. 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At the moment, there is a possibility of a North/Mids tournament at Adams Grammar school - but Rich Parkes wants to feel confident that people will go. (It has to be a week later than date in the diary - ie 1/2 Nov.) Apart from that, I have heard nothing about the possibility of anyone trying to do something elsewhere in the country. Does this mean that nobody cares about Regionals? Do you think the tournament is irrelevant? Do you think its important? Do you want to play in a Regional tourney at end Oct / early Nov?? Would you rather not? What about student teams? This is your chance to introduce new players to outdoor ultimate... These tournaments do NOT have to be as big as Nationals or a tour event. You do NOT need massive experience to make it happen. Indeed - this is a perfect chance to try out running a tourney on a smallish scale. I don't know what else to do. I can't/won't run them all myself - altho' I can help people who want to give it a try. What do you think? Can you help? If you reply to BritDisc please put *Regionals* in the subject so that people who don't care can delete it. Si ---------- Simon Hill From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Sep 24 13:29:39 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id NAA22387; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 13:08:13 +0100 (BST) Received: from calisto.ccc.cranfield.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id NAA22380; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 13:08:08 +0100 (BST) Received: from CAP108.PC.CRANFIELD.AC.UK by calisto with SMTP (PP); Wed, 24 Sep 1997 13:05:04 +0100 Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 13:07:13 BST From: aaron altman Subject: Historical Event To: British Disc Discussion Group Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Just got this one via back home, >Greetings Frisbee players in Europe (and beyond). This is an >invitation to the: > > >FIRST EVER TOURNAMENT IN POLAND!! >POZNAN HAT TOURNEY, 11-12 OCTOBER >POZNAN, Poland (about 3 hours east of Berlin) > >Come and be a part of history, and help spread ultimate in a soulful >land, which somehow until now has been unexposed to the joys of >frisbee. > >The fees will be low (about 20 PLN, or 12 DEM) and will include >fields, sleeping, breakfasts, and a surprise! > >It may be cold in Poland in October. Well, that's why we have Polish >vodka! > >For more info send email to Geoff Schwartz (geoff@ifa.amu.edu.pl) >or phone 48-61-8791793 >Do Zobaczenia! > --------- End forwarded message ---------- From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Sep 24 14:29:29 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id OAA28107; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 14:03:05 +0100 (BST) Received: from [137.205.222.1] by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id OAA28095; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 14:02:58 +0100 (BST) X-Sender: serai@mail.csv.warwick.ac.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199709241148.MAA17572@newton.leeds.amsta> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 14:02:58 +0100 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: Dave Neilson Subject: Re: Regionals Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk >BUF Regionals >------------- I think that Regional Championships are VERY important and I think it should be the responsibility of the Regional Co-ordinators to make sure they happen. For those regions without and RC in post, maybe the onus does fall back onto Director of Competitions to co-opt someone local to the region to make sure that they happen. Come on people! Get your arses in gear. There are many fine examples of keen players who took the big step and organised their first event - why shouldn't you be the next to follow in their footsteps? As Si Hill has indicated, he and others are only too willing to help and advise if they can. Me? ... I'm a bit busy with the BFDF to organise an event, but I have organised one or two events in the past and I can attest that afterwards you get a real sense of achievement - the effort is well worth it! Just my tuppence worth. Sideline Sam. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Sep 24 15:52:45 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id PAA07923; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 15:32:24 +0100 (BST) Received: from orange.easynet.co.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id PAA07897; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 15:31:56 +0100 (BST) Received: from easynet.co.uk (kiwi.easynet.co.uk [193.131.248.4]) by orange.easynet.co.uk (8.8.6/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA10836 for ; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 15:19:33 +0100 (BST) Received: (qmail 28365 invoked from network); 24 Sep 1997 14:13:20 -0000 Received: from larry.texcel.co.uk (HELO texcel.co.uk) (195.40.103.11) by kiwi.easynet.co.uk with SMTP; 24 Sep 1997 14:13:20 -0000 Received: from dreamer.demon.co.uk by texcel.co.uk (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id PAA25612; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 15:10:41 +0100 Message-ID: <34291F61.FE825439@dreamer.demon.co.uk> Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 15:10:41 +0100 From: Neil Travers Organization: Home(ish) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.5 sun4d) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Re: Regionals References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Dave Neilson wrote: > I think that Regional Championships are VERY important I disagree. Now they are not part of the qualification for nationals I don't see them as relevant or important at all. Are regions really necessary in the UK. They were only introduced because there were too many teams for a single Nationals. Regionals will only be a tournament to see who's best in the region, something that can be seen from the Tour results probably. The Regions are not some great necessity like in USA, Canada or possibly Germany. They are a convenience. Regionals have been left in a very strange position. No qualifying status, no reason for them to happen. I think it IS important to have more non Tour tournaments, but I'm not sure it has to be Regionals. Maybe some more regionally based non Tour tournaments e.g. Milton Keynes and Nottingham (?) were on the same weekend. I'd still like Regionals to happen, but only because I want another non Tour tournament. -- Neil Travers - home Fluid Druids, UK http://www.dreamer.demon.co.uk/ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Sep 24 15:53:17 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id PAA06817; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 15:23:45 +0100 (BST) Received: from curlew.cs.man.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id PAA06732; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 15:23:18 +0100 (BST) Received: from fs1.art.man.ac.uk [130.88.57.1] by curlew.cs.man.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.651 #2) id 0xDsLW-0003Z9-00; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 15:23:18 +0100 Received: from MAN-ART-FS1/SpoolDir by fs1.art.man.ac.uk (Mercury 1.21); 24 Sep 97 15:23:17 GMT0BST Received: from SpoolDir by MAN-ART-FS1 (Mercury 1.21); 24 Sep 97 15:23:16 GMT0BST From: "C.A.Nistri" Organization: University of Manchester To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 15:23:11 GMT0BST Subject: Reebok Pitbulls for sale Reply-to: mfix6can@stud.man.ac.uk X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <6AE84225C64@fs1.art.man.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk I have a pair of Pitbulls bought in Canada, size 10 or 11, I can't actually remember which but they are brand new, and ankle high interested? please mail me at c.a.nistri@stud.man.ac.uk cheers From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Sep 24 18:15:54 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id RAA25739; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 17:57:13 +0100 (BST) Received: from arl-img-5.compuserve.com by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id RAA25684; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 17:56:57 +0100 (BST) Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by arl-img-5.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/2.5) id MAA08106 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 12:56:26 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 12:56:01 -0400 From: Andy Hughes Subject: W'ton Old Boys To: britdisc Message-ID: <199709241256_MC2-21A3-25E4@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Well it's that time again folks . . . This is the 18th year since the start of disc sport in Wolverhampton and= once again we're out to celebrate this auspicious occasion in some sort o= f appropriate style. = If you have EVER turned out for The Rejects, it would be damn good to hea= r from you just to know you're still alive. Hopefully we can even tempt yo= u back to W'ton for a few beers and some gossip (If you ain't there we'll probably just talk about you anyway . . .) = And if you're reading this thinking "well it's nothing to do with me" the= n have another think - are you sure you don't have someone in your squad who's played for The Rejects in the last 18 years? Open your diary now and write 'WOLVERHAMPTON OLD BOYS' in the weekend of= 15/16 November - go on do it - then email me and let me know whether you can be there . . . Andy Hughes dunns@compuserve.com From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Sep 24 22:22:57 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id WAA09855; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 22:05:43 +0100 (BST) Received: from phidelta.demon.co.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id WAA09844; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 22:05:37 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 21:28:36 GMT From: LayoutDreams@phidelta.demon.co.uk (Layout Dreams) Reply-To: LayoutDreams%phidelta.demon.co.uk Wayne_Retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk Message-Id: <7449@phidelta.demon.co.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Cc: wayne_retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk Subject: CONES for Nationals... X-Organisation: Layout Dreams X-WWW: http://www.phidelta.demon.co.uk/layoutdreams/ X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Lines: 10 Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Still needed... please email me if you can bring some Wayne work: wayne_retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk PS: Thanks: Paul Holden; Neil Travers _____________________________________________________________________________ Chris Hughes layoutDREAMS Wayne Retter LayoutDreams@phidelta.demon.co.uk +44/0-1737-242109 http://www.phidelta.demon.co.uk/layoutdreams/ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Sep 24 22:36:37 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id WAA09746; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 22:04:15 +0100 (BST) Received: from phidelta.demon.co.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id WAA09726; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 22:03:59 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 19:19:42 GMT From: Wayne@phidelta.demon.co.uk (Wayne Retter) Reply-To: Wayne@phidelta.demon.co.uk Message-Id: <7441@phidelta.demon.co.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Re: Regionals X-WWW: http://www.phidelta.demon.co.uk/ X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Lines: 66 Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk I said I wanted to play in a tournamnet I wasn't running, Si Hill made an announcement, Dave 'Sammy' Neilson followed up and Neil Travers disagreed... My turn again! As Neil said, Regionals were created to provide a method for selecting qualifying teams for Nationals. This selection method has now been replaced by the Tour. Unlike the US/Canada/other examples, the relatively small size of our country and the small number of teams therin, hardly (IMHO) merit regions being a necessity - if teams *really* wanted to play regionally, they'd have nonTour events/leagues/etc. On the other hand, the seeming unwillingness of the current Southern *teams* (mine included) to travel further north than the Leicester-Warwick line on a regular basis merits giving Scotland and Ireland (they play Ultimate there too, now!) their own Regions. There was originally an idea to make it necessary for teams to play at Regionals (after Nationals) to qualify for the next Tour, but this idea has been abandoned due to the rostering constraints that this would involve. The point of Regionals, surely now, as a non Tour event, is for the following sorts of teams to come and play: (names are given as examples only, I'm not having a go at anybody, really) 1) teams that have disappeared, often amalgamated into 'regional' Tour teams such as 'SLUT' (Lurkers + Angels + other South Londoners) and 'Squawks' (Skunks + Mohawks combination) 2) teams that are too small / new / far away / don't want to play in a Tour event (anybody seen London team 'Albatross' at a tournament? Leicester has a whole host of league teams starting, several Unis have 2nd teams) 3) 'oneoff' reunions (remember Hombres, or Funky Monks at Ross-on-Wye ?) 4) 'devolved' Tour teams (Hombres, Regulators, London-ish Druids, Back-of- Beyond Druids, London Catch22, Leeds Catch22, UTI) 5) Womens' teams (even if they do have their own Nationals! some of them want to play at Open events too!) 6) Juniors teams OK, so these teams can compete in the nonTour events - if a) there were a few more, better publicised and b) people could be bothered to get off their backsides and go play (OK, some of you have lives outside Ultimate, but those who don't, you don't have to go with your regular team - I assembled 14 pickups in a week to play all 4 days at the BUF Open!) Regionals *should* happen. OK, I'm not convinced with the timing, but that can be adjusted as we learn a bit more... If the Ultim8 Tour is about *improving* the standard of Ultimate in the UK, Regionals should be about *expanding* Ultimate in the UK - who cares if you don't win, what did you learn and what did you teach? Time to lend my soapbox to somebody else... Wayne Retter Fluid Druids (mostly, when south of the Leicester-Warwick line, otherwise willing to pick up so long as I'm allowed to run around a bit) PS: Since nobody seems to have realised for most of the year: all those teams that should be at Regionals ARE ALLOWED to play in the Tour events and/or in the 'Not the Nationals'. Bear it in mind for next year! -------------------------- Wayne Retter home: Wayne@phidelta.demon.co.uk work: Wayne_Retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Sep 25 00:58:38 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id AAA17671; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 00:38:56 +0100 (BST) Received: from mail.cix.co.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id AAA17649; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 00:38:21 +0100 (BST) Received: (from root@localhost) by mail.cix.co.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id AAA04840 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 00:38:19 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 97 00:24 BST-1 From: lholden@cix.compulink.co.uk (Louise Holden) Subject: Room in London To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Cc: lholden@cix.compulink.co.uk Reply-To: lholden@cix.compulink.co.uk Message-Id: X-Mail-Software: Ameol2 X-URL: http //www.ameol.com Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Posting on behalf of Sean Holden aka Seanie aka Devil from Skunks/Squawks. Sean will shortly be starting a new job at Framestore off Wardour Street. He would like to hear form anyone who knows of a room within outer London especially Kingston/Surbiton. Please email me if you have any leads. I don't know about money but I think he's paying about 300pcm at the moment. Cheers, Paul Holden Lurkers/Slut From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Sep 25 09:38:15 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id JAA08662; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 09:17:11 +0100 (BST) Received: from [137.205.222.1] by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id JAA08648; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 09:17:03 +0100 (BST) X-Sender: serai@mail.csv.warwick.ac.uk Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 09:17:03 +0100 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: Andy Hughes (by way of Dave Neilson) Subject: BFDF AGM Agenda Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk BritDiscers, For general interest I would like to present the BFDF AGM Agenda and invitation to attend from the BFDF Secretary. The meeting will take place on the evening of Saturday 27 September in Swindon (at the same venue as the BUF National Outdoor Finals). The BFDF is the umbrella body for ALL DISC SPORTS in Britain and both the BUF and BDGA are full organisational members. The BFDF currently has very few postholders and the views of Ultimate and Disc Golf players are represented by the elected delegates from the BUF and BDGA respectively. If you have views and ideas about the broader disc sports scene in Britain you could pass them on via your elected representatives (i.e. by having either Ian 'Scott' Scotland or Derek Robins present your input). If you would like to make a more active contribution to the role and running of the BFDF, you are more than welcome to attend the meeting yourself. If you are unsure about the need to attend, talk to one of those listed below. Indeed, if you have any queries about the role of the BFDF / BUF / BDGA (commonly referred to as the "three B's"), then try to talk them through with one of the following people during Saturday (or at any other time for that matter). Sam Neilson (Stan) BFDF National Director Andy Hughes (ex Wolves) BFDF Secretary Steve 'Kenny' Kennedy (Chevron) BFDF Treasurer Leo James (Sneeeky's) BFDF Director of Communications Ian 'Scott' Scotland (Red) BUF National Director Derek Robins (Stan) BDGA National Director Jo Pears (Leicester?) Three B's Administrator ... and here is the BFDF AGM Agenda and covering note as written by Andy Hughes [with only slight editing be myself ;-)]: ========================================================================= Hi there folks Here's the proposed agenda for Saturday's AGM. It looks slightly shorter than usual, but I guess an AGM should really be about a review of the past year, and a chance to cover the more formal parts of our constitution such as official elections and the like. If you are not going to be able to attend you can submit any thoughts/comments/statements to me and I'll present them at the meeting on your behalf. If you would prefer to talk rather than email (dunns@compuserve.com), I can be contacted on 01902 713488 in the evening and 01384 564770 during office hours. See you on Saturday . . . Andy ************************************************************************** Agenda BFDF AGM 5.00pm Saturday 27 September 1997 [i.e. before the planned BUF EGM which is due to start at 8.00pm] Progress of BFDF projects to date Coaching/Schools Publicity/Marketing Sports Council Recognition Financial Review Election of Officers National Director Secretary Treasurer Director of Communications [any other posts created at the meeting ...] AOB ========================================================================= Apologies for very short notice. See you at the weekend. Sam Neilson. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Sep 25 12:06:38 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id LAA23073; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 11:47:25 +0100 (BST) Received: from dub-img-10.compuserve.com by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id LAA23059; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 11:47:09 +0100 (BST) Received: (from root@localhost) by dub-img-10.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/2.5) id GAA20606 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 06:46:33 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 06:31:44 -0400 From: Andy Hughes Subject: BFDF supplementary info To: britdisc Message-ID: <199709250631_MC2-21C2-7745@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Since posting Saturday's agenda for the BFDF AGM, I now have confirmation= that we'll be using room T33 on the first floor of the Allied Dunbar Conference & Training Centre (where the tournament is being held). Look forward to seeing you all there Andy Hughes = From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Sep 25 14:15:45 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id NAA05318; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 13:48:42 +0100 (BST) Received: from monsoon.dial.pipex.net by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id NAA05247; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 13:47:55 +0100 (BST) Received: (qmail 18241 invoked from network); 25 Sep 1997 12:47:48 -0000 Received: from aj158.du.pipex.com (HELO dial.pipex.com) (193.130.249.158) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 25 Sep 1997 12:47:48 -0000 Message-ID: <342ACB65.F1D0504C@dial.pipex.com> Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 13:36:54 -0700 From: john purdie X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk" Subject: pickup NNN / lift to BUF Nats from North London??!! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi y'all A good mate of mine, Szilard Palinkas, from Hungary, will be over this weekend on business. He wants to go to the NOTTHENATsT this weekend to see if he can pick up. He also needs a lift as I am not going - he will be staying chez-moi (Belsize Park NW3) Fri night. No unreasonable offers refused. ttfn John Purdie From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Sep 25 17:04:29 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id QAA24514; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 16:37:14 +0100 (BST) Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id QAA24488; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 16:36:44 +0100 (BST) Received: from stures.demon.co.uk ([194.222.19.95]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa0608228; 25 Sep 97 15:20 BST Message-ID: Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 15:17:04 +0100 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: Max Keogh Subject: lift to nationals MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Version 3.03a Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk If there is anyone in london with space in a car going to swindon this weekend i would love to hear from you. please contact me asap to let me know. max@stures.demon.co.uk 01843 227700 wk 01843 596393 hm thanks max From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Sep 26 00:46:43 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id AAA24115; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 00:28:57 +0100 (BST) Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id AAA24109; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 00:28:54 +0100 (BST) Received: from sdc1.demon.co.uk ([194.222.153.201]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1006668; 25 Sep 97 22:40 BST Message-ID: Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 22:39:17 +0100 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: Simon Church Subject: BUF EGM is confirmed at 8pm room T33 on Saturday MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Version 3.02 Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Did you really need to read this bit? The title says it all. But if you are interested enough to get this far then I am sure you would enjoy coming along, and although I am definitely not knocking the BFDF AGM, EGM's are usually much more entertaining. You will also have had time to shower after the games, so the atmosphere will be more congenial - if we can open the windows. May the best (spirited) team win! Simon Church BUF Secretary From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Sep 26 08:33:30 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id IAA10811; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 08:16:01 +0100 (BST) Received: from oxmail4.ox.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id IAA10807; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 08:15:58 +0100 (BST) Received: from sable.ox.ac.uk by oxmail4 with SMTP (PP) with ESMTP; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 08:15:52 +0100 Received: from [192.76.27.1] (max1.public.ox.ac.uk [192.76.27.1]) by sable.ox.ac.uk (1.2/8.8.3) with SMTP id IAA02711 for ; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 08:15:47 +0100 (BST) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 08:15:47 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199709260715.IAA02711@sable.ox.ac.uk> X-Sender: gree0226@sable.ox.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: British Disc Discussion Group From: andrew.vickers@Green.oxford.ac.uk (Andrew Vickers) Subject: Regionals Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk It strikes me that with only a month to go, regaionals are not going to happen without a lot of energy and momentum and a "critical mass" of opinion that it is the right thing to do. I am not sure we have this at the moment. We do not even have a date confirmed yet. Possible suggestion for next year: eligibility for Nationals depends on placing on the tour (improving ultimate) and participation in at least one non-tour tournament (expanding ultimate). If a region (eg. the North) wants to organise a regional, great, if not (eg. South East), that's fine too. Andrew From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Sep 26 11:01:04 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id KAA23105; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 10:43:03 +0100 (BST) Received: from amsta.leeds.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id KAA23072; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 10:42:56 +0100 (BST) Received: from newton.leeds.amsta (newton.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.64]) by amsta.leeds.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA11808 for ; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 10:42:40 +0100 (BST) Received: by newton.leeds.amsta (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA20911; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 10:45:25 +0100 Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 10:45:25 +0100 From: amtsjh@amsta.leeds.ac.uk (S J Hill) Message-Id: <199709260945.KAA20911@newton.leeds.amsta> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: NATIONALS X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hello Everyone Exciting isn't it - I can hardly concentrate today! Anyway just a couple of reminders - sorry. 1. Can all the capts of the 16 teams in Nationals-"proper" remember to have a roster WITH THEM - already written to hand in at 9am Capts meeting. PLEASE. No roster - no game. It MUST be there at 9AM so as to give us a chance to deal with any problems that might arise. There is not a lot of time before the first game. Thanks very much. 2. Shotgun and Stan: please bring the trophies back. (I can't remember if the trophy going to 9th place last year was a "perpetual". If so can the current holders bring that too please.) 3. If you have some cones - please bring them along - I believe Wayne may not have enough still. Thats it - see you tomorrow. May the best team win! Si From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Sep 26 11:25:10 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id KAA25552; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 10:57:01 +0100 (BST) Received: from epunix.susx.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id KAA25540; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 10:56:57 +0100 (BST) Received: by epunix.susx.ac.uk (Smail3.1.28.1 #9) id m0xEX8h-0002fOC; Fri, 26 Sep 97 10:56 BST Message-Id: From: kevinbr@epunix.susx.ac.uk (Kevin Brooks) Subject: Re: Regionals To: andrew.vickers@Green.oxford.ac.uk (Andrew Vickers) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 10:56:46 +0100 ( BST) Cc: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <199709260715.IAA02711@sable.ox.ac.uk> from "Andrew Vickers" at Sep 26, 97 08:15:47 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL20] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Re: Regionals. Just to add another opinion to the growing number... I think regionals is a good idea. Why? The real question is why do we need a reason? Don't you all want to play some ultimate? The winter is closing in on us - it's just about the last chance to have an outdoor tournament. Is everyone so keen to give up the real game and go and play indoors? OK - if you do need a reason, then I agree with the view that it's good to have a tournament where University teams can introduce their new players to the game. Unfortunately, these same teams who would benefit most are probably rushed off their feet trying to sort out publicity/Freshers fair activities at the moment (I know I am). Well, that's my excuse for not hosting a tourney, anyway. I also agree with the idea that it might be down to the regional co-ordinators to make sure it happens one way or another. This might just be me being naive, but what is their job, anyway? If it doesn't involve this, then why not? Locks, Mohawks/Blue Arse Flies/Skuawks ___________ \ / \ / __\ /__ / \___/ \ / \ | /~~~~" "~~~~\ | /| >=o>| |; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 12:07:04 +0100 (BST) Received: by newton.leeds.amsta (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id MAA21061; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 12:09:50 +0100 Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 12:09:50 +0100 From: amtsjh@amsta.leeds.ac.uk (S J Hill) Message-Id: <199709261109.MAA21061@newton.leeds.amsta> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: one more thing... X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Sorry - I have one more reminder... Shotgun: try to get some extra salt on board, as you will have to play more than 2 games tomorrow.... ... don't want you boys cramping up again. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Sep 26 13:31:15 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id MAA12213; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 12:56:35 +0100 (BST) Received: from firewall2.Lehman.COM by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id MAA12195; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 12:56:00 +0100 (BST) Received: from relay.messaging-svcs2.lehman.com by firewall2.Lehman.COM (8.8.6/8.6.12) id HAA02379; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 07:55:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from london123.lehman.com by relay.messaging-svcs2.lehman.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA08141; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 07:54:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from london123 (localhost) by london123.lehman.com (4.1/Lehman Bros. V1.6) id AA29242; Fri, 26 Sep 97 12:54:31 BST Message-Id: <342BA277.20431CA7@lehman.com> Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 12:54:31 +0100 From: Aram Flores Organization: Lehman Brothers, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (X11; I; SunOS 4.1.3 sun4m) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: S J Hill Cc: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Re: one more thing... References: <199709261109.MAA21061@newton.leeds.amsta> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk That will be potassium, and I'm not really expecting you boys to do anything more than warm up our aging legs. Bring it!!! S J Hill wrote: > > Sorry - I have one more reminder... > > Shotgun: > try to get some extra salt on board, as you will have to > play more than 2 games tomorrow.... > > ... don't want you boys cramping up again. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Oct 1 22:38:36 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA25391 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 22:31:45 +0100 (BST) Received: from phidelta.demon.co.uk (phidelta.demon.co.uk [158.152.248.177]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id WAA25384 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 22:31:41 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 20:09:45 GMT From: LayoutDreams@phidelta.demon.co.uk (Layout Dreams) Reply-To: LayoutDreams@phidelta.demon.co.uk Message-Id: <7532@phidelta.demon.co.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: BUF Nationals: Lost Property X-Organisation: Layout Dreams X-WWW: http://www.phidelta.demon.co.uk/layoutdreams/ X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Lines: 33 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk As promised, a list of what got left behind at Nationals: Black 'Pure Silk' Jacket Black Allders Leisurewear Track Trousers Yellow and White patterned Towel Black TShirt with white chef logos Navy Blue with Grey band 'River Island' Top Navy Blue 'mangled teddy' Warwick Bears TShirt Blue Umbro Knee Support - patella free Grey 'Basic Sport' Track Trousers UK9 Reebok Trainers - gray with blue bits 'Summer League - Columbus Ultimate Disc League' ultrastar 'Dave' from 'Mud Culture' ultrastar ..and still left from Ross-on-Wye: UK12 Nike football boots Asics football boots (with Pro Plus tablets) If it's yours, contact me to arrange how we can return it to you. If you want it posted - it'll cost you (well, you left it lying around!) stuff that's been identified: Helly Hansen Top - David MacKay (Strange Blue) Glasses - Graham Cambridge Black GAP fleece - Jon Hope Black CAT boots - Jon Hope OPrange 'River Bends...' golf disc - Del _____________________________________________________________________________ Chris Hughes layoutDREAMS Wayne Retter LayoutDreams@phidelta.demon.co.uk +44/0-1737-242109 http://www.phidelta.demon.co.uk/layoutdreams/ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Oct 2 12:52:04 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA11850 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 12:19:39 +0100 (BST) Received: from beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk (beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.129.138]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA11841 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 12:19:36 +0100 (BST) Received: from willow.sucs.soton.ac.uk (willow.sucs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.128.20]) by beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.5/server) with ESMTP id MAA02515; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 12:15:01 +0100 (BST) Received: from soca-21.sucs.soc.soton.ac.uk (soca-21.sucs.soc.soton.ac.uk [139.166.226.43]) by willow.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.5/client) with SMTP id MAA12041; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 12:09:31 +0100 (BST) From: Anthony H John Reply-To: ahj194@soton.ac.uk To: Simon Weeks cc: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Skunks' new contacts In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 12:09:32 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: Simeon for Windows Version 4.1.1 Build (16) X-Authentication: none MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Dear All. The Skunk's committee has changed since last year; the Secretary is now Tim Woolford (address and # to follow), the Captain is now Anthony John (address and # below). Please send term time correspondence to: Southampton University Ultimate Frisbee Club Students Union Southampton university University Road Southampton SO17 1BJ Fax: (01703) 595234 Contact telephone number: (01703) 769868 This number is for my (Squaddie's) house, which is: 74 Glen Eyre Road Bassett Southampton SO16 3NL. I will ask Tim to post his address to you all. See you all at Mwnci Sei's beginner's tournament. Good luck to Simon as the new Student Coordinator. Squaddie (Skunks) [a.k.a. Anthony John] ---------------------- Anthony H John ahj194@soton.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Oct 2 16:36:54 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA25456 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 16:07:11 +0100 (BST) Received: from dryctnath.mmu.ac.uk (dryctnath.mmu.ac.uk [149.170.190.134]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA25438 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 16:07:07 +0100 (BST) Received: from turing.ayt.stu.mmu.ac.uk by dryctnath.mmu.ac.uk with internet SMTP with ESMTP; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 15:40:38 +0100 Received: from MMU-MAN-TURING/SpoolDir by turing.ayt.stu.mmu.ac.uk (Mercury 1.32); 2 Oct 97 15:44:19 GMT0BST Received: from SpoolDir by MMU-MAN-TURING (Mercury 1.32); 2 Oct 97 15:43:49 GMT0BST From: 64026159 <64026159@mmu.ac.uk> Organization: Manchester Metropolitan University (MANSTU-IBU) To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 15:43:48 GMT0BST Subject: fingers six contacts..... Reply-to: 64026159@mmu.ac.uk X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.53/R1) Message-ID: <15FF490494@turing.ayt.stu.mmu.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hello.... Nads here....just to let you know that the fingers six contacts have changed over summer (oh yes they have!). ....... Big important chairman bloke is now BEN MITCHELL and you can get hold of him at....18 Claremont Grove East Didsbury Manchester M20 2GL TEL 0161 434 3704........ And waiting sneakily in the wings are Tommy Tucker....the slippery little sucker.....treasurer who lives somewhere in Manchester and can be phoned on 0161 225 0832........and then there's me......making tea, coffee, snacks etc and wearing skirts...that's right, the secretary.....email: 64026159@mmu.ac.uk........ or phone..... 0161 256 2107 or 0498 525 591 Practices are still the same-ish...Fridays & Sundays @ Didsbury and coming soon......the all new Wednesday afternoon chuck around....MAD FER IT!!!!! Thanks......nads.......... From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Oct 2 21:59:27 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA11169 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 21:43:29 +0100 (BST) Received: from newsgate.dircon.co.uk (newsgate.dircon.co.uk [194.112.32.15]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id VAA11161 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 21:43:26 +0100 (BST) Received: from midnet.com (midnet@localhost) by newsgate.dircon.co.uk (8.6.12/8.6.9) with UUCP id VAA23095 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 21:41:10 +0100 From: cmead@midnet.com (Charlie Mead) Reply-To: cmead@midnet.com To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: BDGA Tour Results Date: 02 Oct 1997 20:51:22 GMT Message-Id: <123928574.68270283@midnet.com> Organization: MidNet, Coventry UK Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Here the yare. Final results of BDGA tour this year. All semi-awake statto type people will notice the anomolies of a best-of-four type table with only 5 players playing all seven tournaments, and only 23 of the 63 BDGA members who played this year making four or more. Clearly time for a change, Rafi ? What did the questionnaire turn up? Anyway, enough barracking. Well done Derek .Sam takes second after fifth last year. Oz zoomed up to take third after Burnlaw and hold his poition from last year. Major changes took place in the 10-20th slots with a lot of newcomers making the matchplay on November 7/8 at Essex, especially Neal Pickett who jumped from 35th to 15th this year. BDGA Tour points and rankings - Open Division-1997 # of players 15 23 29 23 38 37 21 Place Name Bristol Hayling Mull QPark Bmster Essex B'nlaw Total Best 4 1 Derek Robbins 50.00 50.00 46.50 50.00 50.00 50.00 50.00 346.50 200.00 2 Sam Neilson 46.50 45.55 29.00 47.77 47.33 45.92 38.97 301.04 187.52 3 Oz Freire 38.86 50.00 45.32 45.10 179.28 179.28 4 Conor Davies 32.50 43.32 46.50 45.55 42.65 40.84 38.97 290.33 178.02 5 Sean Young 43.00 47.77 39.50 42.65 172.92 172.92 6 Simon Luard 27.25 41.09 35.12 43.32 37.98 47.28 35.30 267.34 169.67 7 Liam Young 39.50 32.18 46.50 38.86 39.97 30.40 227.41 164.83 8 Jim Edwards 36.64 35.30 43.20 42.65 157.79 157.79 9 Andy Lucey 20.25 29.96 39.50 39.97 43.20 32.85 205.73 155.52 10 Bud Tilton 36.00 35.52 30.75 29.96 36.64 37.76 206.63 145.92 11 Tony Wakeford27.25 35.52 35.12 33.29 35.04 25.50 191.72 138.97 12 Charlie Mead 39.50 48.66 47.55 135.71 135.71 13 Ivan Bromage 43.00 41.09 43.20 127.29 127.29 14 Trevor Bechtel 27.25 33.29 32.32 23.05 115.91 115.91 15 Neal Pickett 15.00 25.50 25.50 24.39 25.95 35.04 13.25 164.63 111.99 16 Steve Parker 18.82 21.05 23.28 30.28 93.43 93.43 17 Richard Sampson11.50 23.28 16.75 16.59 21.94 24.84 114.90 86.65 18 Toby Green 3.23 32.63 21.44 27.95 85.25 85.25 19 Lindsay Parkin 7.69 28.62 26.88 20.60 83.79 83.79 20 Terry Tenger 27.73 23.75 31.30 82.78 82.78 21 Robin Ailes 14.37 27.73 19.27 16.00 77.37 77.37 22 Robin Scott 33.97 35.04 69.01 69.01 23 Matt Pike 21.05 24.62 20.08 65.75 65.75 24 Oran Villiers-Stuart-J 9.75 9.91 16.60 18.72 15.70 70.68 60.93 25 Simon Ailes 27.29 30.28 57.57 57.57 26 Spencer Worth8.00 11.50 20.61 16.68 56.79 56.79 27 Neil Halliday 20.25 32.50 52.75 52.75 28 Guy Luard 15.00 15.26 16.68 3.45 50.39 50.39 29 Richard Clegg 13.25 17.94 13.28 5.90 50.37 50.37 30 Andrew Wainstein 48.64 48.64 48.64 31 Guy Bolton 18.50 29.97 48.47 48.47 32 Rafi Freire 45.32 45.32 45.32 33 Sue Underwood-W 20.25 24.39 44.64 44.64 34 Gavin Ailes 39.12 39.12 39.12 35 Ali Locke-W 12.14 7.69 9.92 6.48 36.23 36.23 36 Johnny Burden 2.75 22.80 8.35 33.90 33.90 37 Helen Myers-W 16.59 14.37 30.96 30.96 38 Shaun Wainstein 28.24 28.24 28.24 39 Billy Ault 9.91 5.46 12.59 27.96 27.96 40 Martin Lucy 12.14 14.64 26.78 26.78 41 Paul Knutton 4.50 4.50 3.23 8.58 7.84 1.00 29.65 25.42 42 Pete Simpson 24.84 24.84 24.84 43 Graeme Anderson 22.00 22.00 22.00 44 Steve McParland 18.82 18.82 18.82 45 Ed Rodesano 18.15 18.15 18.15 46 Ruth Lissaman-W 5.91 9.88 15.79 15.79 47 Gremlin Napier 13.93 13.93 13.93 48 Daniel Luton-J 6.25 7.25 13.50 13.50 49 Tim Pike 11.92 11.92 11.92 50 Will Douglas 11.26 11.26 11.26 51 Michael White 10.80 10.80 10.80 52 Phil Sweeney 9.88 9.88 9.88 53 Sophie Bolton-W 8.00 8.00 8.00 54 Caddy Baker-W 5.46 1.00 6.46 6.46 55 Dave Rosenfeld 5.12 5.12 5.12 56 Paul Marfleet 4.58 4.58 4.58 57 Oliver Luton-JJ 1.00 3.24 4.24 4.24 58 Dave Smee 3.76 3.76 3.76 59 Giles Armour 2.40 2.40 2.40 60 Hannah Lewis-W1.00 1.00 2.00 2.00 61 Ben Bolton-JJ 1.00 1.00 2.00 2.00 62 Sara Wainstein-W 1.00 1.00 1.00 63 Garret Villiers-Stuart 1.00 1.00 1.00 From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sun Oct 5 21:42:49 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA16109 for britdisc-outgoing; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 21:16:13 +0100 (BST) Received: from emout07.mail.aol.com (emout07.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.22]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA16096 for ; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 21:16:00 +0100 (BST) From: AWorman290@aol.com Received: (from root@localhost) by emout07.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id QAA09966 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 16:15:28 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 1997 16:15:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <971005161345_-762929681@emout07.mail.aol.com> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Women's Nationals...Results Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk WOMENS NATIONAL OUTDOOR TOURNAMENT 4th-5th October 1997 Venue- Warwick University, TD- Sue Underwood 1st and Womens Outdoor Champions 1997 are MINX (London) 2nd ....WOMEN WITH ALTITUDE (Southampton) 3rd....ORGANICS (Bristol and South West) 4th....BODDINGTONS- CREAM OF THE NORTH...(Manchester) 5th....TEAM TWISTED (London) 6th...SCONES (Scotland) 7th...BEAR-FACED CHEEK (Midlands) Spirit...WOMEN WITH ALTITUDE Final - 11-2 Minx Thanks to all the women that took part, especially Scones who travelled from Glasgow. It was great to see a high standard of Ultimate being played and perhaps the continuation of regional teams will improve the standard of womens Ultimate even further. Simon Hill, perhaps we'll be seeing a womens BUF Tour in the not too distant future?! Many thanks to Sue Underwood for all her hard work in organising the tourney and her work with GB women. NEXT GB WOMENS PRACTICE IS 9TH NOVEMBER!!!! (venue to be announced, GB squad practices to continue throughout winter) Diana Women with Altitude From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Oct 6 08:16:35 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id HAA19209 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 07:48:19 +0100 (BST) Received: from crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk (mauer@crocus [137.205.192.13]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA19201 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 07:48:13 +0100 (BST) Received: (from mauer@localhost) by crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.7) id HAA02023 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 07:48:10 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 07:48:10 +0100 (BST) From: Mr R C Doswell Message-Id: <199710060648.HAA02023@crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: BUF Events Reminder Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk British Ultimate Federation Disc Events Diary --------------------------------------------- October 1997 ------------ Saturday 25 October 1997 BUF Regional Championships (3 REGIONS) (2 days) @ ***TDs required*** (date is flexible) November 1997 ------------- Friday 7 November 1997 Sneeky's Beginner's Indoor Tournament (2 days) @ Edinburgh, UK Saturday 29 November 1997 Northern Student Indoor Championships (2 days) TBC @ Lancaster Village People Indoors (2 days) @ Trinity School, Croydon --------------------------------------------------------------- British Ultimate Federation Disc Events Diary http://www.csv.warwick.ac.uk:5201/cgi-bin/diary Ranulf Doswell, ralf@dcs.warwick.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Oct 6 11:25:24 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA06883 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 10:22:25 +0100 (BST) Received: from vanuata (vanuata.dcs.gla.ac.uk [130.209.240.50]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA06854 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 10:22:16 +0100 (BST) From: atkinsp@dcs.gla.ac.uk Received: from bleaker.dcs.gla.ac.uk (actually host bleaker) by vanuata with SMTP (MMTA); Mon, 6 Oct 1997 10:22:01 +0100 Received: by bleaker.dcs.gla.ac.uk (SMI-8.6/Dumb) id KAA17575; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 10:34:08 +0100 Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 10:34:08 +0100 Message-Id: <199710060934.KAA17575@bleaker.dcs.gla.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Mud Culture contact Content-MD5: VU/FmdVgJgNaWGKgXwgGeg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hello all The Mud CUlture contact address has changed. The contact is Paul Atkins 19 Bishops Mill 208 Old Dumbarton Road Glasgow Tel. (0141) 357 5804 e-mail atkinsp@dcs.gla.ac.uk cheers Paul (Mud Culture) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Oct 6 11:27:34 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA12519 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 10:51:26 +0100 (BST) Received: from wadham.chem.ed.ac.uk (wadham.chem.ed.ac.uk [129.215.220.156]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA12447 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 10:51:06 +0100 (BST) Received: from wadham (wadham [129.215.220.156]) by wadham.chem.ed.ac.uk (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA19412 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 10:35:15 +0100 Message-ID: <3438B0D2.CEB@chem.ed.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 10:35:14 +0100 From: Emma Beatty X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (X11; I; SunOS 5.4 sun4m) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Womens Nationals Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Just to repeat what Diana said, thanks Sue for organizing the tournament, it was great fun and hopefully there will be many more in the future. I am going to be a little bit picky though (sorry in advance) Scones is 'Sconz', and as such is an amalgamation of Scotland and New Zealand, and there were also some of us from Edinburgh as well as Glasgow! Emma Sconz From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Oct 6 12:35:35 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA21956 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 11:41:01 +0100 (BST) Received: from venus.le.ac.uk (pp@venus.le.ac.uk [143.210.16.123]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA21910 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 11:40:41 +0100 (BST) Received: from rose.le.ac.uk by venus.le.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Mon, 6 Oct 1997 11:36:21 +0100 Received: from ROSE/SpoolDir by rose.le.ac.uk (Mercury 1.31); 6 Oct 97 11:39:16 +0100 (BST) Received: from SpoolDir by ROSE (Mercury 1.31); 6 Oct 97 11:36:34 +0100 (BST) From: "M.J. Ashton" To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 11:36:31 +0100 (BST) Subject: general query X-mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.31 Message-ID: <70D59078F7@rose.le.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi everyone, can one of you help me with this question. I have a experienced player who has just become a part-time student, and therefore has student status(NUS etc). Will he be allowed to play for the jesters in the student nationals? I`d appricate the advice as I don`t want to be disqualified from the student nationals before we win it! Cheers Mark(JESTERS...mja12@le) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Oct 6 14:35:12 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA10136 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 13:22:11 +0100 (BST) Received: from helium.btinternet.com (helium.btinternet.com [194.72.6.229]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA10049 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 13:21:49 +0100 (BST) Received: from snow.btinternet.com [194.72.6.226] by helium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 1.70 #1) id 0xICIT-0003IJ-00; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 12:30:01 +0000 Received: from btinternet.com [195.99.48.154] by snow.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 1.70 #1) id 0xICBI-0005w9-00; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 13:22:37 +0100 Message-ID: To: britdisc MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mark Jefferson Subject: Ultim-8 Date: Mon, 06 Oct 97 13:20:03 +0100 ( + ) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi all..... I have started this message a dozen times, and each time stopped before sending it, thinking it wasn't the right time. I am now of the opinion that there will never be a right time, so I will choose the wrong one. The Tour is over, National champions have been crowned for another year and I have an accusation to make. When Ultim-8 emerged we were told, and I am sympathetic with the reasoning, that it was established to raise the standard of British Ultimate. As a short term strategy it probably does - top team receive better competition, and it certainly makes for crowd-pleasing matches. On a long term basis, however, If we expect to see an improvement in the game then I believe we will be pretty dissappointed. I accuse the Tour of, at best, overlooking the broader picture, and at worst, of severe neglect of the national game. Please humour my outburst and listen to my reasoning..... I believe the strength of British Ultimate lies currently at University level - with Students, who, after a full indoor season, and with exams approaching, cannot afford the money or the time to field a tour entry. My first tournament was the National Outdoors, Oxford, where I beleive the Bears came 9th. I did sweet FA to get that result but it was well deserved by many other players. People who, by the way, are now key memebers of the country's top teams. Under the current arrangement, the Bears could never again figure in the National results. They may have a top ten side but they will not be able to compete. Am I the only one who thinks this is unacceptable? Let's call things what they are - the Tour creates an environment where top players must continually play to the highest standard, without the usual distractions of an minor team. In itself I agree that this is a good thing for individual teams, but I do not accept that this leads to a resounding improvement in the national game. As a long term strategy it sucks. You are doing the game an injustice if you insist on consigning student teams to the indoor game - and let's be honest, that's exactly what's happening. Ask yourself, how many student teams were there in the Tour, or at the Nationals, from a count of, I think, around thirty. I will go further to say that, in the present arrangement, the Tour will, in time, foster a drop in standards, where indoor specialists will graduate only to face the task of learning a completely different game if they wish to compete at a high level outdoors. When current players are old and arthritic the standards of outdoor Ultimate will, at best remain constant, at worst have fallen. It will take more than the instigation of a league to repair the damage. What I am calling for is a separation of the Tour from the Nationals, and a Tour which is more flexible to the needs of student teams. If I am the only one who believes the student game needs more support than it currently gets then I will forever hold my peace. If, however, there are others who feel that students have been pushed to one side as a problematic clause in a difficult equation then this is only the beginning. Student's should have the right to contest the Nationals, and I believe the game needs them. Once again, I'm sorry if this has been discussed before. All I require is a bit of public opinion to shut me up. This may seem like a bit of a diatribe but it is with the best of intentions that I raise the issue. Cheers for reading this far Mark Jefferson. Ex-Bear, Whiplash. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Oct 6 17:10:35 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA23370 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 16:50:56 +0100 (BST) Received: from gcsin1.gecm.com (gcsin1.gecm.com [194.128.74.2]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id QAA23335 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 16:50:46 +0100 (BST) Received: from gcsin3.geccs.gecm.com by gcsin1.gecm.com; (5.65/1.1.8.2/13Mar95-0121PM) id AA09669; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 16:50:11 +0100 Received: from gcschm.geccs.gecm.com by gcsin3.geccs.gecm.com; (5.65/1.1.8.2/13Mar95-1139AM) id AA18088; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 16:50:10 +0100 Disclose-Recipients: prohibited Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 16:47:32 +0000 (GMT) From: "Giles Stoddard GNet (*744) 4189" Subject: Student teams and the U8 tour To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Reply requested) Message-Id: <5732471606101997/A08421/PLANET/11BA342F1D00*@MHS> Autoforwarded: false Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Importance: normal Ua-Content-Id: 11BA342F1D00 X400-Mts-Identifier: [;5732471606101997/A08421/PLANET] Hop-Count: 2 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk A few points to consider: Student will always have exams at that time of year when the weather is great for Ultimate (May-July). A league, as this year has shown, gives teams of the same standard plenty of opportunity to play each other. This has definately raised the standard of Ulimate. Newer teams like Chevron have really improved and made the semis in the last couple of tournaments. The middle teams have all had really close games. All our games have been a lot more fun and competitive. There is less of the "old" secnario of middle and lower teams getting slammed 11-0 by the top teams. There is much more for teams to to aim for in a league. You know which teams you are going to play and who you need to beat to get the points. There was also plenty of opportunity for teams to move up and down with the way the league was organised. When I was a student, all of two years ago, we always found it hard to get teams out for tounaments around exam time. It was always those concencious people who like to study for exams...never understood them myself. Maybe this "Student" league should get itself off the ground? Maybe we need a separate "Tour Final" and "National Championships". However the lack of bids for Regionals this year could mean...what does it mean? Why have University teams not bid for a regional event? It's the begining of the year so there's no exam pressure. I would have thought it was a great opportunity to introduce this years new players. However if we can't get people to run "Regionals" then is there anyone who would really want to hold "Nationals"? I'm too busy to run a tournament myself. But I know when I was a student I had plenty of time and the Uni facilities that made it easy. I think the Tour is a great idea and has worked well. If next year three or four Uni teams can arrange "Regionals" and "Nationals" in September/Ocotber then I think there will be plenty of people who want to play. Just a few ideas Giles SLUT/Tribal Desire ----------------------------------------------------- giles.stoddard@gecm.com WK: 0181 324 4189 HM: 0181 950 1559 From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Oct 6 17:11:59 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA23447 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 16:51:18 +0100 (BST) Received: from mail.rmplc.net (koala.rmplc.co.uk [194.238.48.13]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA23425 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 16:51:12 +0100 (BST) Received: from acotgreave.rmplc.net ([172.16.27.34]) by mail.rmplc.net (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA19429 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 16:51:11 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199710061551.QAA19429@mail.rmplc.net> From: "Andy Cotgreave" To: "Britdisc" Subject: Fw: Ultim-8 Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 16:48:15 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk > ok, deep breath, and here's a coherent reply..... > > your concerns are, I think, understandable, but I don't fully agree: > > Students *are* the biggest source of new players, but not really where 'the > strength of British Ultimate lies'. > > One thing you must realise is that once people have graduated, they may > want to play as much as possible. These people would not want to play less > competitive or fewer tournaments because of others who don't have time or > money to commit - non-students *do* want to play every weekend, and if they > can afford it, then why stop them? > > The tour was set up not only to develop the top teams, but to encourage a > variety of tournaments. It has been extremely hard to accomodate the > requirements of students, and while I am sorry that you don't feel that has > happened, the Ultim8 committee has spent considerable time considering the > student opinions. > > In the current format, of course the winning teams are going to be the ones > who entered every event - they will be more experienced. But, there was no > obligation for any team to enter all the tour events. If you didn't, you > wouldn't have qualified for the Top 16 places at the Nationals. However, > there was still a place for you and any other team in the 'B' division; > where you could have won, and called yourself the 17th best team in > Britain. > > As for consigning students to the indoor game. Who says we are? Why don't > you practise outdoors in the Winter, and start the summer season much more > prepared? Who says students have to play indoors? Why don't you organise > more outdoor tournaments, maybe for Students only? > > Students have a right to contend in the nationals, but any team that can't > get to five tour events just *won't* be as good as the 16 teams who do get > to all the tour events (okay, that may be a bit contentious) > > I could say more, but I work for a living! > > Before I go, I would like to repeat that the Ultim8 committee has discussed > the student issue at length. > > Andy C > Chevron > > > From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Oct 6 17:40:27 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA28578 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 17:15:34 +0100 (BST) Received: from orange.easynet.co.uk (orange.easynet.co.uk [193.131.248.24]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA28539 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 17:15:25 +0100 (BST) Received: from easynet.co.uk (kiwi.easynet.co.uk [193.131.248.4]) by orange.easynet.co.uk (8.8.6/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA06385 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 17:22:08 +0100 (BST) Received: (qmail 12044 invoked from network); 6 Oct 1997 16:15:55 -0000 Received: from larry.texcel.co.uk (HELO texcel.co.uk) (195.40.103.11) by kiwi.easynet.co.uk with SMTP; 6 Oct 1997 16:15:55 -0000 Received: from dreamer.demon.co.uk by texcel.co.uk (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id RAA29441; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 17:13:29 +0100 Message-ID: <34390E29.7D08D141@dreamer.demon.co.uk> Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 17:13:29 +0100 From: Neil Travers Organization: Home(ish) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.5 sun4d) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: BritDisc CC: Richard Stephens , Paul Hurt , Andrew Vickers , Louise Holden Subject: London Practices Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk I'm trying to update my London Practices web page as I assume most teams have or will be changing their weekday practices to indoors. Could you please look at my page and advise me of any changes. I have heard from Angels (they play indoors the whole year), but I assume Lurkers and Playhtings have probably finished evening practices. What about the weekends, are people still playing outdoors? Is anyone (Shotgun?) carrying on with outdoor practices through the winter? "Need input..." -- Neil Travers - home Fluid Druids, UK http://www.dreamer.demon.co.uk/ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Oct 6 17:40:55 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA28525 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 17:15:22 +0100 (BST) Received: from dirc.bris.ac.uk (dirc.bris.ac.uk [137.222.10.51]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id RAA28481 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 17:15:12 +0100 (BST) Received: from mail.bris.ac.uk by dirc.bris.ac.uk with SMTP-PRIV (PP) with ESMTP; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 17:14:11 +0100 Received: from [137.222.156.112] (behv1.lang.bris.ac.uk [137.222.156.112]) by mail.bris.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA20493 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 17:12:00 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 17:12:36 +0100 From: Raf.Freire@Bristol.ac.uk Subject: Re: Ultim-8 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Britdiskers, I'm glad Mark Jefferson has, after much hesitation, decided to inform us about how he feels about the Ultim-8. Such criticism are essential in evaluating if the ultim-8 is good or bad for british ultimate. I have kept my response as brief as possible, which is also with the best intentions so apologies if it offends (especially the stuff about money). Mark believes that the strength of british ultimate lies currently at university level. The answer to this is a most definate no. Sure this is where most players are, and is how the majority of us find out what ultimate is. But ultimate is a team game. To develop a good team takes training, practice and continuity of players (i.e. for players to stay with the same team). It is extremelly difficult for a student team to have continuity of players, and this is why no student team has won nationals in the last 13 years (I don't know before that because I wasn't playing). It is no coincidence that the main aim of the ultim-8 is to develop this continuity of players. The strength of british ultimate should not be measured by the number of good players, but by the number of good teams. Mark also objects that the tour does not take into account time constraints of students. I can't understand how students can claim to be short of time. I found it much easier to attend tournaments when I was a student, and I don't think I ever missed more than 1 tournament a year due to exams. Before you think that I was a university dosser, I've am now a post-doctoral researcher. Furthermore, the rule that you can ditch 1 tour result for your nationals seeding seems to be to accomodate students. Anyone care to enlighten me as to how students don't have the time to attend 4 out of 5 tour events?. OK, so the level of commitment required from your wallet is considerable. I agree that money is horrendously short for students, but I don't see a way around this. If you want to be a good team you are going to have to play often and regularly against equally matched opposition. There are student indoor and outdoor nationals, more suited to the student timetable in which students can play against similar opposition. There have also been proposals for more competition between students (both nationally and internationally). These are competitions set up for students which are made as accessible for you as possible and should be easier to get funding from the AU. Nonetheless, the tour is not more money absorbing than playing in any other system over the summer. Is there any way you could sacrifice your 20 pints and 1/8 of hash a week and make a few more tournaments?. In short the ultim-8 requires commitment. The strict rules about transfer of players and qualification of national aren't there to make life difficult for students. They are there to promote continuity in teams which results in vast improvement in the standard of all teams. Rafi (shotgun) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Oct 6 20:57:03 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id UAA28457 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 20:42:21 +0100 (BST) Received: from dub-img-1.compuserve.com (dub-img-1.compuserve.com [149.174.206.131]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA28448 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 20:42:17 +0100 (BST) Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by dub-img-1.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/2.5) id PAA03263 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 15:41:46 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 14:31:37 -0400 From: Ian Stebbing <106040.3441@compuserve.com> Subject: re: Student teams and the U8 tour To: britdisc Message-ID: <199710061431_MC2-22FC-8A6C@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id UAA28450 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk I hate to disagree with Giles- but here goes. I think the Tour has great intentions but is going about things in possibly the wrong way. > A league, as this year has shown, gives teams of the same standard plenty of > opportunity to play each other. This has definately raised the standard of > Ulimate. It would take a huge amount of evidence to convince me of this. Many mid- to lower- level teams learn a great deal from getting wallopped by top teams every once in awhile. They learn new plays, see real flow, and have a chance to push themselves harder than tehy might otherwise. The Tour has completely eliminated this learning process, serving the needs of the top teams, but at best ignoring (and at worst discounting) the needs of the other teams > You know which teams > you are going to play and who you need to beat to get the points. There was > also plenty of opportunity for teams to move up and down with the way the > league was organised.. So you learn to play for a particular situation and players rather than learning to play solid, basic ultimate. My guess is that the teams that went to Worlds were actually hurt by the fact that they were facing the same teams over and over again at home. It's terribly easy to get comfortable with a certain style of play which work s in one situation, but is useless in another. Anyone form the Worlds teams care to comment? After all, I could be wrong. As for moving up and down- I strongly disagree. Due to a several problems at individual tournaments, teams at the 12-13 break had a single game (usually the first game Saturday morning) to move up. So if that game was lost, the rest of the tournament was wasted- no chance to move up and a small number of other challenging games. This might not be a problem of the Tour per se, as it was a tournament specific problem, but the Tour set-up didn't help the matter either. I hope that the organisers, who worked their butts off to pull the Tour off and do deserve thanks and credit for their hard work, will seriously consider the feedback they requested at the end of the Tour. Nancy Stebbing Village People From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Oct 7 09:03:38 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id IAA16818 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 08:46:46 +0100 (BST) Received: from mail.rmplc.net (koala.rmplc.co.uk [194.238.48.13]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA16811 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 08:46:41 +0100 (BST) Received: from acotgreave.rmplc.net ([172.16.27.34]) by mail.rmplc.net (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA17852 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 08:46:40 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199710070746.IAA17852@mail.rmplc.net> From: "Andy Cotgreave" To: "britdisc" Subject: Re: Student teams and the U8 tour Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 08:45:01 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk FYI, Nancy wrote about the elimination of top teams playing lower teams within the tour. We have chatted about this, and next year we hope to vary the Tour formats slightly to accomodate this - we won't go back to the bad old days, but there will be slightly more varied formats, to allow for some more of this. It was always expected that there would be less top-team-stuffs-lower-team, and for that reason, the regionals were suggested as a solution. Now it appears that these won't happen. That is **NOT** the fault of the Ultim8 committee. Si Hill has posted to this group on MANY occasions pleading for tournament organisers, and has been making the same requests at tournaments and behind the scenes. The regionals were supposed to be for all teams to be able to play each other, and thus we would have variety in the Ultimate calendar - there would be highly competitive Tour tournaments, with close games, and tournaments with less close games, where the less experienced teams may get beat, but they'll learn loads. So, why haven't these tournaments taken place? Too many people have waited for others to organise tournaments instead of organising their own. If you want to see more tournaments that aren't part of the tour, THEN ORGANISE THEM. Andy C Chevron (and an Ultim8 committee member, in case you hadn't guessed) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Oct 7 09:06:20 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id IAA15501 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 08:32:24 +0100 (BST) Received: from gcsin1.gecm.com (gcsin1.gecm.com [194.128.74.2]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id IAA15474 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 08:32:14 +0100 (BST) Received: from gcsin3.geccs.gecm.com by gcsin1.gecm.com; (5.65/1.1.8.2/13Mar95-0121PM) id AA26663; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 08:31:43 +0100 Received: from gcschm.geccs.gecm.com by gcsin3.geccs.gecm.com; (5.65/1.1.8.2/13Mar95-1139AM) id AA25330; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 08:31:43 +0100 Disclose-Recipients: prohibited Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 08:28:50 +0000 (GMT) From: "Giles Stoddard GNet (*744) 4189" Subject: If you hate to disagree with me, why do it? In-Reply-To: <199710061431_MC2-22FC-8A6C@compuserve.com> To: britdisc (Reply requested) Message-Id: <5650280807101997/A00933/PLANET/11BA3A1C3100*@MHS> Autoforwarded: false Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Importance: normal Ua-Content-Id: 11BA3A1C3100 X400-Mts-Identifier: [;5650280807101997/A00933/PLANET] Hop-Count: 2 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Nancy Stebbing said: #> #>I hate to disagree with Giles- but here goes. #> #>Many mid- to lower- level teams learn a great deal from getting wallopped by top teams every once in awhile. They learn new plays, see real flow, and have a chance to push themselves harder than they might otherwise. The Tour has completely eliminated this learning process, serving the needs of the top teams, but at best ignoring (and at worst discounting) the needs of the other teams The tour is only 5 tournaments in a year. So there is still the chance for teams to get "wallopped" by top teams every once in a while reather than at every tournament. I have personally learnt a lot more this year by playing five games at a tournament where the score could have gone either way on each game, than from any game I've lost to nil. Being able to turn a game around from 6-0 down and win it can teach a team alot. Being 6-0 down against Shotgun then loosing 13-0 has taught me alot less. #> My guess is that the teams that went to Worlds were actually hurt by the fact that they were facing the same teams over and over again at home. It's terribly easy to get comfortable with a certain style of play which work's in one situation, but is useless in another. Anyone from the Worlds teams care to comment? After all, I could be wrong. I'm not from a Worlds team, but I would disagree with this. The Worlds team don't learn alot from winning 13-0 against a weaker team. Agreed we may not have enough competition at the top level in the UK compared to the USA, but it is better for those top teams to play in European tournaments to learn from playing other teams of the same standard. #>As for moving up and down- I strongly disagree. Due to a several problems at individual tournaments, teams at the 12-13 break had a single game (usually the first game Saturday morning) to move up. What's the problem with playing first thing on a Saturday morning? #>So if that game was lost, the rest of the tournament was wasted- no chance to move up and a small number of other challenging games. This might not be a problem of the Tour per se, as it was a tournament specific problem, but the Tour set-up didn't help the matter either. The pool games on Saturday meant that you had to come first or second in the pool to get in to the 5-12 play-offs. So if you want to throw your first game on Satuday I would have thought there's everything to play for in the next three games. #>I hope that the organisers, who worked their butts off to pull the Tour off and do deserve thanks and credit for their hard work, will seriously consider the feedback they requested at the end of the Tour. Agreed, both the positive and negative feedback. Giles ----------------------------------------------------- giles.stoddard@gecm.com WK: 0181 324 4189 HM: 0181 950 1559 From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Oct 7 09:29:58 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id JAA19515 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 09:09:35 +0100 (BST) Received: from firewall2.Lehman.COM (firewall.Lehman.COM [192.147.65.67]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA19499 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 09:09:27 +0100 (BST) Received: from relay.messaging-svcs2.lehman.com by firewall2.Lehman.COM (8.8.6/8.6.12) id EAA11988; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 04:09:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lonadminsmtp.lehman.com by relay.messaging-svcs2.lehman.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id EAA04647; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 04:08:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from by lonadminsmtp.lehman.com (4.1/Lehman Bros. V1.6) id AB22263; Tue, 7 Oct 97 09:08:40 BST Received: from ccMail by lontok2030.gbccmail.lehman.com (IMA Internet Exchange 2.11 Enterprise) id 00052C37; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 09:07:46 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 09:07:17 +0000 Message-Id: <00052C37.1593@gbccmail.lehman.com> From: Aram_Flores@gbccmail.lehman.com (Aram Flores) Subject: Ultim-8 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Fellow Ultimate Players, I must confess I find the current Britdisc discussion on the Ultim-8 tour a bit amusing. I see it as coming down to one simple question: Does anyone think that one set or format of tournaments can possibly satisify the diverse pool of ultimate players in this country? The answer, in my opinion, is NO. How can the schedule of students be reconciled with the 9 to 5ers (7 to 6ers in my case)? Students want the tournaments scheduled around their exams and summer holidays, while the competitive club teams want the season centered around the major international tournaments and daylight savings time (lit pitches are scarce and expensive in London). Students want tournaments to be very cheap while club teams (at least ours) are more concerned with good pitches and facilities. Then there is the issue of who plays who and how often. A delicate balance to say the least. The top teams want mostly competitive games against the other top teams, the up-and-coming teams want to play the top teams, the "fun" teams don't care and students want to play everybody. Who gets their way? If you try to force the top clubs to play the lowest teams week in - week out wouldn't they be likely to split and form their own league (a la the premiership)? On the other hand if the lower club teams were never allowed to play the top teams how would they ever improve? The answer, in my opinion, is balance. I think the tour can be an important part of improving Ultimate in this country. The tour certainly made Shotgun a better team this year and propelled us to a fairly successful Vancouver campaign. However, I was a bit disappointed with the number of "regular" tournaments this year. I don't think that allowing the top teams to be split away from the lower teams for 4 or 5 tournaments each year is asking too much if their are 4 or 5 other tournaments where a more traditional format is used. In summary, I am a big supporter of the tour, however, I think it should be just one part of a balanced tournament calendar. Aram, Shotgun Ultimate PS: Students - organise your own tournaments, its got to be more fun than playing and hanging out with a bunch of "old and arthritic" (quoting Mark Jefferson) club players. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Oct 7 11:18:47 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA06237 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 10:47:05 +0100 (BST) Received: from amsta.leeds.ac.uk (amsta.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA06198 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 10:46:50 +0100 (BST) Received: from newton.leeds.amsta (newton.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.64]) by amsta.leeds.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA26157 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 10:47:08 +0100 (BST) Received: by newton.leeds.amsta (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA08387; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 10:50:13 +0100 Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 10:50:13 +0100 From: amtsjh@amsta.leeds.ac.uk (S J Hill) Message-Id: <199710070950.KAA08387@newton.leeds.amsta> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: U8 tour X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk I was saving up for a single message... but I thought it might help to make the following comments now. 1. Andy C mentioned Regionals. So I guess this would be a good time to announce that invitations for a North/Mids Regional Tournament on 1/2 Nov will be out this afternoon (or tomorrow morning). Kev Lowe is still working on the possibility of something in Exeter for the SW. I still have heard nothing about the SE. But if we have space we will welcome other teams to our tournament - and I"m sure the same will be true in the SW. 1. Nancy: > My guess is that the teams that > went to Worlds were actually hurt by the fact that they were facing the > same teams over and over again at home. Catch 22 was helped enormously by the tour. Without it, we would have been lambs to the slaughter. As it was, we had an excellent week, and came pretty close to an unbelievable week. Aram: > In summary, I am a big supporter of the tour, however, I think it > should be just one part of a balanced tournament calendar. Aram sums up most of the difficulties very succinctly. This last point has always been the plan - didn't quite come off last year - but looking at the provisional diary this year (the full thing will be done soon I promise) things will be better on this front in 1998. > I hope that the organisers, who worked their butts off to pull the Tour off > and do deserve thanks and credit for their hard work, will seriously > consider the feedback they requested at the end of the Tour. Definitely. Thus far people have kept things positive and polite which is well appreciated. AND we know that things weren't perfect, and are keen to hear what people think and to (where possible) deal with the problems. Si I'm trying to sort out next year's diary, and to re-write how the tour works in light of all the feedback we received... (plus a few other things...) I will get this info out as soon as possible. Now where did I put that fish? From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Oct 7 11:19:17 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA07971 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 10:56:43 +0100 (BST) Received: from firewall1.Lehman.COM (firewall.Lehman.COM [192.147.65.66] (may be forged)) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA07937 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 10:56:31 +0100 (BST) Received: from relay.messaging-svcs2.lehman.com by firewall1.Lehman.COM (8.8.6/8.6.12) id FAA01770; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 05:56:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from london123.lehman.com by relay.messaging-svcs2.lehman.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA14683; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 05:55:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from london123 (localhost) by london123.lehman.com (4.1/Lehman Bros. V1.6) id AA07369; Tue, 7 Oct 97 10:55:13 BST Message-Id: <343A0701.13728473@lehman.com> Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 10:55:13 +0100 From: Aram Flores Organization: Lehman Brothers, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (X11; I; SunOS 4.1.3 sun4m) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Neil Travers Cc: BritDisc , Richard Stephens , Paul Hurt , Andrew Vickers , Louise Holden Subject: Re: London Practices References: <34390E29.7D08D141@dreamer.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Neil, Shotgun will indeed be practicing through the winter - OUTDOORS. We will be playing on Monday nights at the Tooting Bec Athletic Track from 7:30 to 9:00pm. We will also be practicing roughly every other Sunday on Wandsworth common. However, these sessions are open to experienced players only. If you/anyone would like to attend please contact me or another Shotgun player for further info. We maintain an email list for info on our practices (which are usually open to all experienced players (even the occasional Druid!), please email me if you would like to be added to this list. Also, Shotgun will be organising several mini-tournaments for the top London players (probably about 50 people), but we will post more info when we set the dates and such. Regards, Aram Neil Travers wrote: > > I'm trying to update my London Practices web page as I assume most teams > have or will be changing their weekday practices to indoors. Could you > please look at my page and > advise me of any changes. > > I have heard from Angels (they play indoors the whole year), but I > assume Lurkers and Playhtings have probably finished evening practices. > What about the weekends, are people still playing outdoors? > > Is anyone (Shotgun?) carrying on with outdoor practices through the > winter? > > "Need input..." > > -- > Neil Travers - home > Fluid Druids, UK http://www.dreamer.demon.co.uk/ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Oct 7 11:20:48 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA09500 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 11:04:33 +0100 (BST) Received: from admin.company-net.co.uk (mail.company-net.co.uk [193.129.5.65] (may be forged)) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA09376 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 11:03:54 +0100 (BST) Received: by mail.company-net.co.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 11:06:15 +0100 Message-ID: From: Richard Clegg To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Re: Ultim8 Tour Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 11:06:08 +0100 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="---- =_NextPart_001_01BCD311.07D5FB20" Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------ =_NextPart_001_01BCD311.07D5FB20 Content-Type: text/plain If this has already been said, my apologies, but I read the archive rather then get all the individual email messages. Another problem with the tour that should be considered is the geographical spread of the tournaments. Look at this year: Hitchin, Leicester, Swindon, Southhampton, Exeter. Two south-east venues, two south-west, and one in the more southern end of the Midlands. Also, Southhampton and Exeter were within two weeks of each other. This obviously has an effect on the more northen teams. We don't mind travelling south (in fact, if you know Sneeeky's, you know we revel in having travelled furthest to get to a tournament) but only in some sort of moderation. If Sneeeky's had been able to play at four or five Tour tournaments, we would have had a chance of making it to Nationals (probably seeded about last, but that's not the point). As it was, we had to give up after two, and that's with having a sizeably group of non-student players. Anyway, my point is, we come south to play, but a few more chances to play in at least the Midlands would be nice (I know this depends on who bids to host the Tour). It wouldn't hurt some of you to come further north than Leicester a bit more often. Scuttler, Sneeeky's Richard Clegg, Web Developer, Company Net, Edinburgh Email: richard@company-net.co.uk Website: www.company-net.co.uk Ultimate: www.ed.ac.uk/~ultimate/ Disc Golf: www.ultimateweb.co.uk/bdga/ ------ =_NextPart_001_01BCD311.07D5FB20 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

If this has already been said, my apologies, but I read the archive = rather then get all the individual email messages.

Another problem with the tour that should be considered is the = geographical spread of the tournaments. Look at this year: Hitchin, = Leicester, Swindon, Southhampton, Exeter. Two south-east venues, two = south-west, and one in the more southern end of the Midlands. Also, = Southhampton and Exeter were within two weeks of each other. This = obviously has an effect on the more northen teams.


We don't mind travelling south (in fact, if you know Sneeeky's, you = know we revel in having travelled furthest to get to a tournament) but = only in some sort of moderation. If Sneeeky's had been able to play at = four or five Tour tournaments, we would have had a chance of making it = to Nationals (probably seeded about last, but that's not the point). As = it was, we had to give up after two, and that's with having a sizeably = group of non-student players.


Anyway, my point is, we come south to play, but a few more chances = to play in at least the Midlands would be nice (I know this depends on = who bids to host the Tour). It wouldn't hurt some of you to come = further north than Leicester a bit more often.


Scuttler, Sneeeky's

Richard Clegg, = Web Developer, Company Net, Edinburgh
Email: = richard@company-net.co.uk
Website: = www.company-net.co.uk
Ultimate: = www.ed.ac.uk/~ultimate/
Disc = Golf: www.ultimateweb.co.uk/bdga/

------ =_NextPart_001_01BCD311.07D5FB20-- From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Oct 7 15:26:06 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA25149 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 14:49:47 +0100 (BST) Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@thistle [137.205.128.4]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA25105 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 14:49:34 +0100 (BST) Received: from mps2.leeds.ac.uk (mps2.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.16.22]) by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA06307 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 14:49:24 +0100 (BST) Received: from lucs-03.novell.leeds.ac.uk (lucs-03.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.76.3]) by mps2.leeds.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA28555 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 14:51:44 +0100 (BST) Received: from LUCS-H13/SpoolDir by lucs-03.novell.leeds.ac.uk (Mercury 1.31); 7 Oct 97 14:49:46 GMT0BST Received: from SpoolDir by LUCS-H13 (Mercury 1.31); 7 Oct 97 14:49:22 GMT0BST From: "Neil (Bruce) Webber" Organization: University of Leeds To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 14:49:05 GMT Subject: Re: Ultim-8 & Students Reply-to: phy5ncw@leeds.ac.uk In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.54) Message-ID: Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk I would just like to point out that as students, we (JEDI CHILDREN) managed to scrape a team to all of the tour events except Swindon, and we were rewarded by (just) qualifying. We could then get a stronger squad to the Nationals, when there was no pressure from 'studying' and finished 11th. Bruce 'Use the Force' From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Oct 7 16:42:27 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA12664 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 16:13:56 +0100 (BST) Received: from renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk (renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk [129.215.13.3]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA12564 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 16:13:40 +0100 (BST) Received: from eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk (eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk [129.215.13.1]) by renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA08788 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 16:13:36 +0100 (BST) Received: from SMS-EIGG/SpoolDir by eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk (Mercury 1.31); 7 Oct 97 16:12:45 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by SMS-EIGG (Mercury 1.31); 7 Oct 97 16:12:30 +0000 From: "James Spicer" <9550732@eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk> To: Britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 16:12:28 +0000 Subject: Re: Ultim-8 & Students&Scotland References: In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.54) Message-ID: Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Dear All Issue with the students: As a mixed team we (Sneeekys) couldn't get a team to all the Tours, as Scuttler pointed out distance was the real factor. So in response to we in Scotland are currently trying to set up s Scottish Student League. This will run on a similar format to other University sports (ie football, Hockey) In that students can play each other for one full game on a regualar basis on wedensday afternoons just within the Scottish Universities. If each region were to do this then I feel they could improve considerably with little cost and the time would be suited to their university calender. (ie most unis have Wedensdays off for Sport) Then preahaps we could end up with the region winners of each league playing in a form of Student Nationals. This may result in a spilt in open and student ultimate if it happened nationwide but I feel overall would help in the expansion of student ultimate and as a result open ultimate. James Ps St Andrews Ultimate, I haven't got a questionnaire back from you yet, Is anyone in the city????? (I posted it to your Sports Union) J.a.Spicer@sms.ed.ac.uk Edinburgh University Ultimate Frisbee Club (Sneeekys) on the net at: http://www.ed.ac.uk/~ultimate/ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Oct 7 18:03:15 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA01011 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 17:43:06 +0100 (BST) Received: from smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk (smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk [193.114.232.66]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA00949 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 17:42:50 +0100 (BST) From: Wayne_Retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk Received: from smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk (unverified [126.128.26.71]) by smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk (Integralis SMTPRS 2.04) with SMTP id ; Tue, 07 Oct 1997 17:41:39 +0100 Received: from ccMail by smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk (IMA Internet Exchange 2.1 Enterprise) id 0000F873; Tue, 7 Oct 97 17:44:20 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 17:39:53 +0100 Message-Id: <0000F873.004069@watsonwyatt.co.uk> Subject: Re: Student teams and the U8 tour To: "britdisc" , "Andy Cotgreave" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Personal opinions on the whole Ultim8 thing, with some regard to Students: > Author: Andy Cotgreave > Nancy wrote about the elimination of top teams playing lower teams > within the tour.... next year we hope to vary the Tour formats slightly > to accomodate this OK, so it'd be nice to see a few "whallopings" occuring at Tour events, maybe along the lines of seeds 2 vs 14 (or somesuch similar matchup). I do, however feel that MORE consistency is needed in the Tour event formats - were any 2 on the same format this year? This is where, I feel, Nancy's point about Saturday morning being the most important game of the event for some teams arises... she has no problems playing at 9.30am on Saturday, but if they *HAVE* to come top of a pool because there are 17 or 23 (or some other similarly awkward number [try scheduling it!] as at *most* of the events) teams and they make a mistake and lose, they have no second chance! There was originally a "Tour Format" proposed, with the first round of games in pools as at Nationals (and nowhere else, that I know of?). The second round 5-12 section got modified to give 2nd chances, but the first round never happened properly! [apologies if this has got a bit rambly, but it's a pet hate of mine, I'll stop in a minute!] The format can be used if we have the right number of teams (divisible by 4!) at a tournament - so come on the nonRostered teams! Giles: You feel that you learn more in a close game, about your team pulling through together, remembering some particular weaknesses of your regular opposition, etc. but have you never felt that you've learnt, when being walloped by Shotgun, when if you can work out what they're doing, and make them take 15 passes (maybe including a near-D), rather than 4, to score? Andy also wrote, repeating Si Hill: > If you want to see more tournaments that aren't part of the tour, THEN > ORGANISE THEM. This year was a bit "busy" for some (who took 3 weeks, or so, to go to WUCC97, and 2 weekends for EUC97) with the Tour and all. But there were only 4 (maybe 5? one was Womens' Nationals) OTHER tournaments organised, two on the same weekend, and not many of the "big" teams went to them (due to the "busy" reasons) All credit to the organisers for running these tournaments. Hopefully they'll do them again next year, now they know how easy it is! and will get more teams and we'll see the whallopings that some people learn from, and what the students can really do! That's it, I'm done! Wayne ___________________________________________________________________ Notice of Confidentiality This transmission is intended for the named addressee only. It contains information which may be confidential and which may also be privileged. Unless you are the named addressee (or authorised to receive it for the addressee) you may not copy or use it, or disclose it to anyone else. If you have received this transmission in error please contact: admin@watsonwyatt.co.uk or IT Manager: +44(0) 1737 241144 Fax : +44(0) 1737 241496 ___________________________________________________________________ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Oct 7 18:49:23 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA07844 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 18:21:48 +0100 (BST) Received: from waltz.worldcom.com (waltz.interliant.com [198.64.193.157]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA07513 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 18:19:24 +0100 (BST) Received: (from smtp@localhost) by waltz.worldcom.com (8.8.5/Interliant) id MAA00510 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 12:14:27 -0500 (CDT) Received: from internet-502.interliant.com(198.64.193.192) by waltz.worldcom.com via smap (V1.3) id smab00474; Tue Oct 7 12:14:24 1997 Received: by internet-502.interliant.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.1 (385.6 5-6-1997)) id 86256529.005EDB7F ; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 12:16:05 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ILGW @ C&L GB @ C&L INT @ C&L INT EXTERNAL@INTERLIANT @ OUTBOUND From: "Ian Stebbing" To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Message-ID: <86256529.005ED30D.00@internet-502.interliant.com> Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 15:55:03 +0100 Subject: Tour Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Just a few comments on the recent postings. Balanced Ultimate calendar - I think that this year the Tour became virtually the whole season which was unfortunate. This was partly due to Southampton (an established tournament) becoming a tour event and Lurkers (Croydon) unfortunately not happening. In the end I don't think we have had any non-tour tournaments this season where any of the worlds teams turned up with a near full squad. Nationals etc. I personally am against the tour being the qualification for nationals because either they are separate items or they are not and right now we seem to be stuck in a half way house. I also see the point that students are unlikely to be able to field full teams every time and northern teams struggle to make all the tour events. If regionals are qualification for Nationals they will happen and a teams ability to reach nationals will not depend upon being able to attend with a full squad all the seasons tournaments. Tour and usefulness to worlds teams - For the Druids I do not think the tour helped at all, but this is not necessarily the tour's fault but to some extent our unwillingness to lose games we could have won just to learn and practise new ideas and tactics. However more games against lower ranked teams may have given us this opportunity. Ian Stebbing (still) Druids ps please ignore the dire warning at the bottom but its company email! -- **************************************** This document should only be read by those persons to whom it is addressed and is not intended to be relied upon by any person without subsequent written confirmation of its contents. Accordingly, Coopers & Lybrand disclaim all responsibility and accept no liability (including in negligence) for the consequences for any person acting, or refraining from acting, on such information prior to the receipt by those persons of subsequent written confirmation. 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Any form of reproduction, dissemination, copying, disclosure, modification, distribution and/or publication of this E-mail message is strictly prohibited. **************************************** From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Oct 7 20:54:04 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id UAA22505 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 20:17:08 +0100 (BST) Received: from newsgate.dircon.co.uk (newsgate.dircon.co.uk [194.112.32.15]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id UAA22477 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 20:17:00 +0100 (BST) Received: from dmotive.UUCP (dmotive@localhost) by newsgate.dircon.co.uk (8.6.12/8.6.9) with UUCP id MAA04330 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 12:27:40 +0100 Message-Id: <199710071127.MAA04330@newsgate.dircon.co.uk> Date: 07 Oct 97 09:34:26 +0000 From: Jonathan Schofield Subject: The Tour has eliminated the learning process?! Apparently-To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk completely eliminated this learning process To: BritDisc Message-ID: <971007.093426@designmotive.co.uk> X-Mailer: InterCall 1.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Nancy Stebbing covered a number of issues, many of which I am not well en= ough=20 informed to comment on. She did however write the following, which I take= =20 issue with: "Many mid-to lower-level teams learn a great deal from getting walloped b= y top teams every once in awhile. They learn new plays, see real flow, and hav= e a chance to push themselves harder than they might otherwise. The Tour h= as completely eliminated this learning process, serving the needs of the top= teams, but at best ignoring (and at worst discounting) the needs of the other teams." My personal view on this (borne out of personal experience of getting wal= loped!)=20 is that the above is naive. I don't recall ever learning any aspect of ho= w to play better=20 or more intelligently whilst getting walloped by a better team. There is = little one can=20 learn (WHILST PLAYING) from failing to defend against a significantly bet= ter offence=20 or from failing to score against a superior defence other than that they = are better=20 than you. This is admittedly a lesson in itself, but one that can be expe= rienced at=20 non-Ultim8 tournaments - the tour is only 5 events after all. You can however learn from WATCHING better teams and individuals play.=20= I continue to do this myself whenever I can. Do please correct me if I am= wrong,=20 those of you who sympathise with Nancy's perspective, but what was to sto= p you=20 from watching better teams play their games at Ultim8 tour events when th= e=20 schedule permitted? Jonathan Shotgun From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Oct 8 00:06:20 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id XAA12466 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 23:54:49 +0100 (BST) Received: from pluto.open.ac.uk (pluto.open.ac.uk [137.108.143.4]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA12460 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 23:54:46 +0100 (BST) Received: from acsfc-mail (actually host acsfc-mail.open.ac.uk) by pluto with SMTP Local (PP); Tue, 7 Oct 1997 23:54:36 +0100 From: wmd4@student.open.ac.uk (Wayne Davey) To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 23:08:16 +0100 Subject: Re: U8 tour Message-ID: References: <199710070950.KAA08387@newton.leeds.amsta> Organization: Open University MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-ID: X-Gateway: NASTA Gate 1.18 for FirstClass(R) Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk THE TOUR ======== Reading everybody else's comments I just feel I've got to add my points. I'm a total fan of the tour despite:- 1. The rigidity of the rules resulting in the temporary falling apart of my original team (UTI) 2. Being in the dreaded 12/13 (usually 13th in our case) zone meaning one loss on Saturday put us out of 2 tournaments (with Village People) I feel that it's much more worthwhile playing games against teams where the outcome is not a foregone conclusion. I've been on both ends of "wallopings" (oo-er) and while the games are often fun, no more is learnt than at a practice. Ultimate has so much more to it when every 'D' or drop has significance, and you have to battle for each point. In my view the Tour is a better and more important event than Nationals and I feel it should used to decide which teams should qualify for World Clubs etc. After all, only a side which can produce results over a whole season should have the strength in depth to really challenge at these higher levels. I could go on and on ...... Wayne Davey UTI From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Oct 8 10:31:37 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id JAA23332 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 09:54:39 +0100 (BST) Received: from amsta.leeds.ac.uk (amsta.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA23287 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 09:54:26 +0100 (BST) Received: from newton.leeds.amsta (newton.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.64]) by amsta.leeds.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA19191 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 09:54:36 +0100 (BST) Received: by newton.leeds.amsta (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA11416; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 09:57:41 +0100 Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 09:57:41 +0100 From: amtsjh@amsta.leeds.ac.uk (S J Hill) Message-Id: <199710080857.JAA11416@newton.leeds.amsta> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: NORTHERN & MIDS TOURNAMENT X-Sun-Charset: ISO-8859-1 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk As promised... (if nothing happens in the SE - and we have space - then we will open up entry to teams from that region...) (likewise SW depending on Exeter.) Paper invitations are in the post. So you should get them tomorrow (or Friday). Note the deadline - you don't have long! Don't wait for the paper... send me your money! If you are not sure if you are in this region or not then please get in touch. __________________________________________________________ BUF NORTH & MIDLANDS OUTDOOR REGIONAL CHAMPIONSHIPS 1997 (aka the Guy Fawkes Outdoors) It's that time of year again, to pit your skills against the cream of North and Midlands Ultimate (and the weather) in the regional championships. Yeah, right. With nationals over the tournament this year will have a different focus. Instead of providing a set number of teams for National Finals, the aim will be to introduce as many new players to the outdoor game before the rush to the comfort and warmth of the sports halls, and to let people know what the real game of Ultimate is all about. For those of you who have been playing all Summer this is your final chance to enjoy real competition in the vast spaces of an outdoor field before 1998. And there's the added bonus of the regional trophy! You know it makes sense. On to the details: The Date: - 1/2 November 1997 The Venue: - Adams Grammar School, Newport, Shropshire The Price: - £60 per team Further details (maps, schedules etc.) will be forwarded on receipt of your entry fee. Please make all cheques payable to S. Hill. Food will be available on-site throughout the weekend, and there is the possibility, as yet unconfirmed, that we may have access to a small amount of indoor accomodation. This will be available on a first come, first served basis, for a nominal fee. Camping will be possible for the hardier amongst you, and we will also distribute an accomodation list for the area. Seeing as the tournament is so late in the year, we will have a relaxed start, to give time for the greasy spoon/paracetmol to take effect. We will also be looking to finish play early in order for the traditional Saturday evening festivities to begin. On to the important bit. We need to have a guaranteed 12 teams coming for the tournament to go ahead. Therefore, should you wish to enter, can you send your entry fee to Simon Hill at the address below by Friday 17 October. (I might accept a deposit and/or a lot of grovelling about paying on the day - it depends on how convinved I am that you are definitely coming!) ****************************************************** Failure to have 12 teams registered by this point will mean that the tournament will be cancelled. ****************************************************** I think that's it for now. If you wish to enter, ask questions, or just hear a friendly voice, please contact Simon Hill at the address below. See you in November! Cheers Rich Parkes Si Hill Kneehop Knightmares Contact: Simon Hill 532d Whitehall Road New Farnley Leeds LS12 5HZ T: 0113 289 0971 (h) 0113 233 5175 (w - sometimes...) e: amtsjh@amsta.leeds.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Oct 8 12:01:24 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA07538 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 11:14:26 +0100 (BST) Received: from oyster.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (ralf@oyster [137.205.227.132]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA07519 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 11:14:21 +0100 (BST) From: Ralf Message-Id: <25143.199710081013@oyster.dcs.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Updated Contact Addresses In-Reply-To: <7AF7D94371@agden.shef.ac.uk> from Simon Weeks at "Oct 8, 97 11:09:12 am" To: GGA95SEW@sheffield.ac.uk (Simon Weeks) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 11:13:29 +0100 (BST) Cc: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL35 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Simon Weeks wrote: > Ralf, can i confirm that your contact address is still... > > 52c Redfurn Flats No, it isn't. My contact details are: 26 Standard Avenue, H: 01203 463052 Tile Hill, W: 01203 523296 COVENTRY F: 01203 525471 CV4 9BW E: ralf@dcs.warwick.ac.uk I am also NOT the contact address for the Bears, although at present I don't know what the correct address is. The following should get there though: Ultimate Frisbee Club Sports Federation Students Union University of Warwick COVENTRY CV4 7AL Ralf. ____ ____ _ _ ____ .----------------------------------------. _\__ \ _\__ \ / \ / \\__/ | Ranulf Doswell | / \_/ /_ / \_/ \ / / / /___ | Department of Computer Science | \ __ \\ __ \\ \ _\ \\_/ |University of Warwick, COVENTRY, CV4 7AL| \ \ \ \\ \ \ \\ \__/ \\ \ | Phone: 01203 523 296 | \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \______/ \_/ `----------------------------------------' From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Oct 8 14:47:22 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA09347 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 14:08:55 +0100 (BST) Received: from lupin.csv.warwick.ac.uk (stumb@lupin-fddi [137.205.4.7]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA09338 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 14:08:51 +0100 (BST) Received: from localhost (stumb@localhost) by lupin.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA11874 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 14:08:50 +0100 (BST) X-Authentication-Warning: lupin.csv.warwick.ac.uk: stumb owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 14:08:49 +0100 (BST) From: Satvik Chotai X-Sender: stumb@lupin To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Warwick Bears contact details... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi everyone, Here are the new contact details for the Bears: President: Satvik Chotai (Sat) e-mail: stumb@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tocil Flat 27D University of Warwick Coventry CV4 7AL No telephone number for me, please contact Jim (below) with any calls or correspondence.(University mail is dodgy!) Captain: James Ayrton (Jim) e-mail: stuly@csv.warwick.ac.uk Address: 25 Beanfield Avenue, Green Lane Coventry CV3 6NZ Tel. 01203 412638. Thanks. Hope to see you all soon! From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Oct 8 14:48:19 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA12328 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 14:25:25 +0100 (BST) Received: from monet.stdavids.ncr.com (h153-73-102-11.NCR.COM [153.73.102.11]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA12203 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 14:24:55 +0100 (BST) Received: from dunfgate.stdavids.ncr.com (dunfgate.StDavids.NCR.COM [153.73.102.29]) by monet.stdavids.ncr.com (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA11683 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 14:35:27 GMT Received: by dunfgate.stdavids.ncr.com with Microsoft Mail id <343BF47B@dunfgate.stdavids.ncr.com>; Wed, 08 Oct 97 14:00:43 PDT From: "Grayson, David" To: britdisc Subject: RE: U8 tour Date: Wed, 08 Oct 97 14:23:00 PDT Message-ID: <343BF47B@dunfgate.stdavids.ncr.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Si wrote: I'm trying to sort out next year's diary, and to re-write how the tour works in light of all the feedback we received... (plus a few other things...) I will get this info out as soon as possible. 2 things I would like cleared up Firstly, were the results of the questionnaire ever published? I was offline for a while so may have missed them but would be interested. Secondly, can someone please state clearly the rules on rostoring for next year. This year there was confusion as to exactly what the nature of playing for teams not your own, switching teams, picking up and non rostored teams etc was. This led to some players from smaller teams wanting to play at some tour events but being unable to because their team couldn't get to every event and them having played for or going to play for their club - consequently missing out on the chance to play for much of the summer. Only towards the end do I remember people talking about unrostored teams etc. As for the tour v nationals debate - Nationals is just the equivalent of saying "next goal wins" at football - surely the tour shows the strengths of the teams and the final tournament means little. Finally - a radical suggestion. How about halving the size of the tour and replacing with some sort of district tour - thus players can compete both for their clubs in the club tour and their district in the district tour to give them a chance to play high quality without having to join a different team for the whole summer. My guess is that politics would render this unworkable but it seems to have the potential to help both clubs and players individually as players wouldn't feel they needed to play for teams 300 miles away just to get high quality play. Like I say - it's just a suggestion - and I'm happy in my own little ideal world! Dave. Mud Culture. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Oct 8 16:03:58 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA25122 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 15:32:22 +0100 (BST) Received: from wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk (bee.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk [131.111.48.99]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id PAA25102 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 15:32:17 +0100 (BST) Received: by wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk (UK-Smail 3.1.25.1/15) id ; Wed, 8 Oct 97 15:32 BST Message-Id: Date: Wed, 8 Oct 97 15:32 BST From: mackay@mrao.cam.ac.uk (David J.C. MacKay) To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Southeast Regionals: RSVP Cc: mackay@mrao.cam.ac.uk Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Tentative enquiry: To all Southeast teams: Please let me know if you think your team would come to a Southeast regionals located in Cambridge on Nov 1/2. [Please pass this message on to teams who are not on email too.] Special features of this tournament: (1) First games at 10am (2) Grandstand Shotgun versus Bottom-seeded team game for the benefit of all those people who didn't like the close games of the tour. (just kidding) The number of teams may be restricted; teams that are first to reply to me (mackay@mrao.cam.ac.uk) will have their place guaranteed. Yours, David Strange Blue ========================================================================== David J.C. MacKay email: mackay@mrao.cam.ac.uk www: http://wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk/ultimate/ Cavendish Laboratory, tel: (01223) 339852 fax: 354599 home: 276411 Madingley Road, international code: +44 1223 Cambridge CB3 0HE. U.K. room: 982 Rutherford Building From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Oct 8 17:50:37 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA11165 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 16:53:57 +0100 (BST) Received: from mail.rmplc.net (koala.rmplc.co.uk [194.238.48.13]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA11065 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 16:53:30 +0100 (BST) Received: from acotgreave.rmplc.net ([172.16.27.34]) by mail.rmplc.net (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA27089; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 16:53:14 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199710081553.QAA27089@mail.rmplc.net> From: "Andy Cotgreave" To: "Grayson, David" , "britdisc" Subject: Re: U8 tour Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 16:49:33 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi, > Firstly, were the results of the questionnaire ever published? I was > offline for a while so may have missed them but would be interested. > Er, no they weren't. I actually never thought of publishing them. The committee did have a mammoth meeting to discuss the results, so I can assure you that all the questionnaires were read, and all the results were taken into account. The results are not really available, either - they are all scribbled on, and couldn't really be presented without a load of effort. So, sorry about that, but next year we will try and make questionnaire results available. > Secondly, can someone please state clearly the rules on rostoring for > next year. I'd wait for an announcement early next year. And I don't have time to reply to the rest of you queries, I'm afraid. Cheers, Andy C From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Oct 8 18:45:31 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA22258 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 17:55:51 +0100 (BST) Received: from amsta.leeds.ac.uk (amsta.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA22225 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 17:55:37 +0100 (BST) Received: from newton.leeds.amsta (newton.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.64]) by amsta.leeds.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA02976 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 17:55:57 +0100 (BST) Received: by newton.leeds.amsta (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id RAA13525; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 17:58:56 +0100 Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 17:58:56 +0100 From: amtsjh@amsta.leeds.ac.uk (S J Hill) Message-Id: <199710081658.RAA13525@newton.leeds.amsta> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: tour : David's questions X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Just to clarify (so that we don't go around in circles...) David: > > Firstly, were the results of the questionnaire ever published? Andy: > Er, no they weren't. I actually never thought of publishing them. David: > > Secondly, can someone please state clearly the rules on rostoring for > > next year. Andy: > I'd wait for an announcement early next year. In fact, these things are closely linked. The "announcement early next year" (or sooner if possible) will be a re-writing and clarification of the WHOLE TOUR. This is largely the result of the meeting we had reading the questionnaires and trying to iron out the problems that we had already seen. So in a sense, the new 'tour rules' will be an "edited" version of publishing the results of the questionnaire. Watch this space... Si ps - good news about possible SE regionals... At this rate we might get all three! From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Oct 8 19:47:50 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id TAA05305 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 19:26:00 +0100 (BST) Received: from dub-img-3.compuserve.com (dub-img-3.compuserve.com [149.174.206.133]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA05283 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 19:25:48 +0100 (BST) Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by dub-img-3.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/2.5) id OAA15360 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 14:25:14 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 14:23:08 -0400 From: Ian Stebbing <106040.3441@compuserve.com> Subject: ultim8 To: britdisc Message-ID: <199710081423_MC2-233A-172D@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id TAA05292 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk I'm really surprised about the disagreement my comment made about learing from playing the occasional game against a significantly better team. If you never learn anything from a game like that, maybe you should ask why. (Of course, not every blow-out has something to teach.) But maybe I have a North American bias here too. Several of the top teams in the States take games like that to share information- plays, defenses, how to deal with junk defences and such. DoG has set a high standard for trying to help every team raise it's level of play. I had thought the same was happenning here, but maybe it isn't. It doesn't happen all the time in the States, either. As for watching top level teams play- who said I never did watch those games? How can you challenge me that I wasn't on the sidelines. Why patronise me or any other player by stating that we did not watch those games? In fact, I would guess that I watched as many of those games, if not more, as the person who made that comment. And yes- I did pick up some things from those games. I also saw alot of the same-old-thing because team A's fast guy always covers team B' clever guy, etc. Not the fault of the Tour, but a function of that fact that it's a smaller player base here. (I know, it's a smaller country- what did I expect?) Nancy Stebbing Village People From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Oct 8 21:17:57 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id UAA15640 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 20:58:27 +0100 (BST) Received: from helium.btinternet.com (helium.btinternet.com [194.72.6.229]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id UAA15628 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 20:58:21 +0100 (BST) Received: from snow.btinternet.com [194.72.6.226] by helium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 1.70 #1) id 0xJ2NS-0007DU-00; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 20:06:38 +0000 Received: from btinternet.com [195.99.48.54] by snow.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 1.70 #1) id 0xJ2GF-0004ns-00; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 20:59:12 +0100 Message-ID: To: britdisc MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mark Jefferson Subject: The Tour debate. Date: Wed, 08 Oct 97 20:42:10 +0100 ( + ) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi All! Thank you to everyone who responded to my concerns about the tour expressed in a message to Britdisc posted Mon. 8th. Having digested some very intelligent points I hope I can clarify my own position and explain a few misunderstandings. I probably never will be happy with everything that happens in Ultimate but will always be happy with most things. After reading messages, particularly from the Ultim-8 committee, I may be no happier with the actual issue at hand but it has made me stop and think a little more about what I am actually asking for. Thanks to messages from people like Si Hill and Andy Cotgreave I've now got a much better picture of what actually happens behind the scenes so to speak. I think greater openness would help here - both so that people know what's going on, but more importantly so that people like myself get a more accurate view of the sheer volume of work the BUF undertakes. But back to the tour. I think the responses I received personally, as well as those posted to Britdisc can be, generally, divided into two groups - those who support the tour strongly, and those who have reservations. I was not surprised to see that the supporters were largely people who benefited from the tour whilst the more cautious amongst us were the ones who seem to suffer. The rhetoric of my last message apparently confused what I was saying, so I shall be crystal clear now: I do not want an end to the tour. I understand and support the benefits it has for the country's top teams. They deserve the right to play in whatever environment they believe best suits them. But I think that for those players to tell me this is the way forward for the British game is naive. I am not talking now, and indeed never was, about the improvement of a "team" or player. I am talking about improving standards of Ultimate throughout the UK. Students, (including school teams) ARE, I insist, where the strength of Ultimate lies. I heard it said many times when I competed in county athletics that the success of the nation in five or ten years time could be gauged at club championships, county events, the Milk Cup..... The tour is damn good training for those attending world events and I agree with Wayne Davey that the tour should decide who goes to International competitions, but this is most certainly NOT a strategy for development. That is what I took issue with, and I'm sorry if my over-emotional scribblings made this unclear. What I object to when it comes down to it is the short-sightedness of Ultim-8: fantastically good for today's top teams but bugger all use to those which will replace them in five or ten years time. I wrote the initial message because I felt that while Shotgun, Catch, Druids etc (forgive me for using your names) were playing (arguably) the best Ultimate of their lives there was a bloody great big hole in the National game where - for want of a better collective noun - students should have been. I wrote the message because, I felt, the shadow of the tour - a great achievement in itself - was masking this hole. I felt, and still feel, that the tour will, in time, damage the British game if it is not accompanied by an equally successful strategy to raise standards in upcoming players. I began this with a acknowledgement of the dedication of BUF officers - particularly, for the purposes of this message, those on the Ultim-8 committee. It has only been in the last couple of days, as the debate unfolded on Britdisc, that I have come to fully comprehend the size of the task I am demanding, and for this oversight, I owe an apology. I for one have my own hills to climb and could not afford the time to attempt anything of this size right now, and I know very few people do. I owe an apology to the Ultim-8 committee if what I said appeared to belittle the work you have, and continue to do. But even though I now appear rather hypocritical, demanding more work in one breath, and flatly disassociating myself from that work in another, I still feel it needed to be said. I hope this time that the message is clearly understood, and I hope the debate continues. One day this sport will be massive, so we should make use of its intimacy while we can. I know more than a few football fans who would kill to be having this discussion with the FA. Thank you, (again) for getting this far. I look forward to reading more opinions. Mark Jefferson, Whiplash. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Oct 9 11:34:32 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA20621 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 10:46:10 +0100 (BST) Received: from venus.le.ac.uk (pp@venus.le.ac.uk [143.210.16.123]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA20560 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 10:45:57 +0100 (BST) Received: from harrier.le.ac.uk by venus.le.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Thu, 9 Oct 1997 10:42:06 +0100 Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 10:42:03 +0100 (BST) From: Scott X-Sender: iws1@harrier To: britdisc Subject: Re: The Tour debate. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Mark wrote: > What I object to when it comes down to it is the > short-sightedness of Ultim-8: fantastically good for today's top teams > but bugger all use to those which will replace them in five or ten > years time. In some senses this is exactly what the tour is about! Ultimate is Britain in my view has been damaged in the last 10years (that I have been playing) by the reliance of the student feed into ultimate. Every year we see the same situation with university old-boys&girls geographically dispersed *stagnant* teams starting up which do absolutely nothing to develop the growth of Ultimate. These university leavers should be moving into a club scene which is more dependent on where they live - clubs which are more organised, professional and in a much better position to promote and grow the sport. If you are in an old-boys/girls team ask yourself how many new (I mean new to ultimate) players you have recruited and developed, how much publicity you are able to attract, even how often you practice!? (Red has around 15 new players this year, 10-20 paper articles and 3 lots of TV coverage, 3 practices a week and is now backed by Leicester City Council, Bass and are actually being approached by sponsors) The tour has actually done a lot to promote the more geo-centric approach. The fact that we have had people writing about rostering, and how this has made it hard to move between teams is proof of this. We should all be doing a lot to get are teams into a position where the requirement to enter 4 tour events really isn't a problem. However, the tour isn't the be all and end all, it just serves a particular purpose (and one that is evolving as we learn). We DO NEED MORE TOURNAMENTS. How many people have to say it! Ultimate is the property of you the player/club as is the BUF. If you sit on your hands doing bog all then you must shoulder some to the blame. The BUF is doing all it can this year to promote extra tournaments including; - underwiriting/loaning clubs the capital required to set up tournaments - Insuring tournament organisers against liability - sending out the regional co-ordinators to harrass every single club to put on a tournament There is even an officer whose job it is to help you out with advice and information about running tournaments (Si Hill). I think I'll stop here before I implode. I bit of a digression, I know, but it is at the root of Marks gripes. Scott /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ SCOTT: Ian Scotland *** NB please change your address book to my new email *** E-mail: scott@ultimateweb.co.uk http://www.ultimateweb.co.uk/ /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Oct 9 11:55:06 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA01562 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 11:28:39 +0100 (BST) Received: from firewall1.Lehman.COM (firewall.Lehman.COM [192.147.65.66] (may be forged)) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA00528 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 11:25:18 +0100 (BST) Received: from relay.messaging-svcs2.lehman.com by firewall1.Lehman.COM (8.8.6/8.6.12) id GAA07672; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 06:14:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from london123.lehman.com by relay.messaging-svcs2.lehman.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA01053; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 06:13:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from london123 (localhost) by london123.lehman.com (4.1/Lehman Bros. V1.6) id AA24920; Thu, 9 Oct 97 11:12:49 BST Message-Id: <343CAE21.59E2B600@lehman.com> Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 11:12:49 +0100 From: Aram Flores Organization: Lehman Brothers, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (X11; I; SunOS 4.1.3 sun4m) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Andy Lucey , Aram Flores , Christian Nistri , Douglas Milne , Ed Pizey , Garrett Crosbie , Guy Bowles , Jonathan Schofield , Mark Perryman , Neil Haliday , Nicholas Haslam , Nick Cash , Nolan Taylor , Ollie Watson , Oz Freire , Pete Harvey , Rafi Freire , Roger Thomson , "S.R.X.Dall" , Simon Moore , Steve Young Cc: britdisc Subject: Gun Savage 7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Shotgun Ultimate is Proud to Announce: **** Gun Savage 7 **** A Savage One Day Affair on Sunday November 16th at 9:00am On Wandsworth Common in London Gun Savage 7 will be the first of a series of small London tournaments sponsored by Shotgun aimed at improving skills and tactics of the top London (and environs) Ultimate players. We will invite 28 (or 42 depending on interest) players to the session and divide into 4 (or 6) equal teams and play a one day tournament. The main idea is to divide the experienced players on Shotgun (and other teams) and mix them with some of the ambitious younger players. We want players (mostly London based) that have several years playing experience (and athletic ability) that are seeking to make an impact on the National/European scene. (As we expect to have no costs in running the tourney - it will cost nothing) If you are interested (and fit the above profile) please contact me or another Shotgun member. Please note this is SAVAGE 7 - if you say you are coming you must come or you will screw 27 (or 41) other players. THERE WILL BE NO SUBS!!! I will appoint 4 or 6 Captains who will each invite 6 other players, however, these will not be the teams as they will be set on the day. Aram, Shotgun Ultimate From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Oct 9 16:53:57 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA27813 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 15:48:42 +0100 (BST) Received: from wsinwp06.win.tue.nl (paulh@wsinwp06.win.tue.nl [131.155.69.170]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA27765 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 15:48:29 +0100 (BST) Received: by wsinwp06.win.tue.nl (8.7.1/1.45) id QAA07330; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 16:48:15 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 16:48:15 +0200 (MET DST) From: paulh@win.tue.nl (Paul Hoogendijk) Message-Id: <199710091448.QAA07330@wsinwp06.win.tue.nl> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: VIP Toernament invitation Cc: paulh@win.tue.nl X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk INVITATION Origin-VIP Tournament 1 & 2 November 1997 Eindhoven, the Netherlands. We are once again organising the Vertigo International Pre-indoor tournament. Like previous years, there will be "foreign" teams as well as Dutch teams, three halls at our disposal, and a smashing party on Saturday night. Thanks to the generous donation by Origin, we are be able to offer you a low player fee and of course some free beer. We will furthermore provide a dinner on Saturday, sleeping accommodations on campus, and breakfast and lunch on Sunday. The costs for participating in this tournament are fl.50 per team and fl.27.50 per player. The player fee includes dinner on Saturday night. If you choose to arrange your own dinner, the player fee comes to fl.15. Please note on the registration form the number of people that want to join us for dinner and how many of these are vegetarian. The tournament will take place at the Eindhoven University of Technology as usual. There is limited space in Eindhoven for people who need to spend Friday night here as well. If this is necessary in your case, please notify us at least two weeks before the tournament. The closing date for registration is Friday, October 17th 1997. The date that we receive the team-fee counts as the registration date. First come, first served. Last year we had to disappoint quite a few teams, so make sure you register soon. If you have any questions, don't hesitate to contact us: 's Gravesandestraat 5h 5612 JM Eindhoven the Netherlands or D.W.Dingjan@stud.tue.nl Greetings, Daan Dingjan Miranda Kuiper +31-40-2950839 +31-40-2455322 REGISTRATION FORM Origin-VIP Tournament 1 & 2 November 1997 Name of team: Number of players: Level: Contact person: Address: E-mail address: Telephone number: # of non-vegetarian meals: # of vegetarian meals: Send this form before October 17th 1997 to: Daan Dingjan 's Gravesandestraat 5h 5612 JM Eindhoven Include a cheque in guilders ( fl.50.- team-fee) made out to "Vertigo" From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Oct 10 13:40:18 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA22332 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 12:41:06 +0100 (BST) Received: from mps2.leeds.ac.uk (mps2.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.16.22]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA22282 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 12:40:51 +0100 (BST) Received: from south-02.novell.leeds.ac.uk (south-02.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.76.2]) by mps2.leeds.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA18094 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 12:43:17 +0100 (BST) Received: from LUCS-H12/SpoolDir by south-02.novell.leeds.ac.uk (Mercury 1.31); 10 Oct 97 12:41:06 GMT0BST Received: from SpoolDir by LUCS-H12 (Mercury 1.31); 10 Oct 97 12:40:40 GMT0BST From: "A.M. PROCTOR" Organization: University of Leeds To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 12:40:30 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Jedi Address change. X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.54) Message-ID: <8B11FD90C53@south-02.novell.leeds.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi there ! Just to let everyone know that the new address for Leeds Jedi is now mine ;- Anthony Proctor. 52 Melville Place, Leeds. LS6 2LZ. Tel : ( 0113 ) 234 - 2043. Could imformation regarding tournaments etc be sent here from now on. Thanks. Dr. P From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Oct 10 13:40:20 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA23549 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 12:46:57 +0100 (BST) Received: from crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk (pgpyz@crocus [137.205.192.13]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA23516 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 12:46:45 +0100 (BST) Received: from localhost (pgpyz@localhost) by crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA08746; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 12:46:39 +0100 (BST) X-Authentication-Warning: crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk: pgpyz owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 12:46:36 +0100 (BST) From: Ms D A Bagley X-Sender: pgpyz@crocus To: Scott cc: britdisc Subject: 'old' players in new places In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk A lot of what Scott said I agree with, however, I'm going to stick my halfpenny's worth as an 'old girl' player. I have moved around the country A LOT in the past 5 years since leaving Polytechnic and have practised with local teams when possible. At this point I would like to thank all the teams who have let me practise with them and on the whole who have been very welcoming. HOWEVER I have had the experience where I have not been made welcome at practices even though when I checked before hand the club contact said I could attend. The reason I was not made welcome ( I believe) was because I was not up to their 'standard'. So I stopped going. So, what should a player do if they move to a new area where there is a team but they don't want you as a practiser let alone player? I think it might be idealistic of us to expect that every team in the country will let anyone who happens to be in the geographical area play for them (I do , however, believe that the majority of teams would do this). I also believe this is more of an issue if you are not the world's greatest player. I'm not alone in this as I know there are other people out there who are concerned who would let them play with them if their telephone team falls apart because their geographical team won't have them. I wouldn't be surprised if lots of 'old boy/girl' players stop playing because of this and this makes my hackles rise! Why should people be in a situation where they can't play the game they love (except at tournaments) because someone has decided they are not good enough? My personal gripe over! Dawn (Red-ish) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sun Oct 12 15:21:39 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA16900 for britdisc-outgoing; Sun, 12 Oct 1997 15:07:00 +0100 (BST) Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@thistle [137.205.128.4]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA16892 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 1997 15:06:58 +0100 (BST) Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net (punt-1d.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.138]) by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id PAA18454 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 1997 15:06:34 +0100 (BST) Received: from phidelta.demon.co.uk ([158.152.248.177]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1413308; 12 Oct 97 14:58 BST Message-ID: Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 14:08:34 +0100 To: BritDisc From: Wayne Retter Subject: Shotgun training: lift needed MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Trial Version 3.03a Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk to: Anyone going to Shotgun Monday training (Tooting) via REDHILL (A23) in Surrey? Not for this week (13/10/97), but for future reference, if anyone is travelling up (and back) by car, and could provide a lift for me, I'd be most interested. Cheers Wayne Retter -------------------------- Wayne Retter Wayne@phidelta.demon.co.uk 01737-242109 http://www.phidelta.demon.co.uk/ also: wayne_retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk 01737-273611 From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Oct 13 13:03:24 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA07527 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 12:21:50 +0100 (BST) Received: from clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@clover-fddi [137.205.4.2]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA07498 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 12:21:42 +0100 (BST) Received: from crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk (mauer@crocus-fddi [137.205.4.6]) by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA12066 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 07:48:10 +0100 (BST) Received: (from mauer@localhost) by crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.7) id HAA28623 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 07:48:06 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 07:48:06 +0100 (BST) From: Mr R C Doswell Message-Id: <199710130648.HAA28623@crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: BUF Events Reminder Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk British Ultimate Federation Disc Events Diary --------------------------------------------- October 1997 ------------ Saturday 25 October 1997 BUF Regional Championships (3 REGIONS) (2 days) @ ***TDs required*** (date is flexible) November 1997 ------------- Friday 7 November 1997 Sneeky's Beginner's Indoor Tournament (2 days) @ Edinburgh, UK Saturday 29 November 1997 Northern Student Indoor Championships (2 days) TBC @ Lancaster Village People Indoors (2 days) @ Trinity School, Croydon --------------------------------------------------------------- British Ultimate Federation Disc Events Diary http://www.csv.warwick.ac.uk:5201/cgi-bin/diary Ranulf Doswell, ralf@dcs.warwick.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Oct 13 18:44:21 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA19552 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 17:55:12 +0100 (BST) Received: from ibmmail.COM (ibmmail.com [204.146.168.193]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id RAA19402 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 17:54:40 +0100 (BST) Received: from IMXGATE.COM by ibmmail.COM (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with BSMTP id 8780; Mon, 13 Oct 97 12:54:20 EDT Received: from cybeles.greigfester.com by imxgate.com (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with TCP; Mon, 13 Oct 97 12:51:19 EDT Received: by cybeles.greigfester.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.993.5) id <01BCD800.FE500D30@cybeles.greigfester.com>; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 17:54:03 +0100 Message-ID: From: "Wagstaff, Colin" To: "'Britdisc'" , "'DAVE TROVELL'" Subject: UTI Contact Details Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 17:54:02 +0100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.993.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk The current contact details for UTI are as follows:- Dave Trovell 549 Caledonian Road London N7 9RB Home:- 0171 607 2605 Work:- 0171 893 4174 Email:- TROVELLD@DDBN.GEIS.COM Cheers, Colin. Sent on behalf of Dave who's office appears to be a little backward, in that they can only reply to emails and not send them themselves. Don't ask me, mail Dave if you care or if you want to know more, and if you don't, mail him anyway to give him your address, you never know one day he may want to contact you!!! From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Oct 13 18:46:38 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA22204 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 18:05:24 +0100 (BST) Received: from clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@clover-fddi [137.205.4.2]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA22135 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 18:05:07 +0100 (BST) Received: from oxmail4.ox.ac.uk (oxmail4.ox.ac.uk [163.1.2.33]) by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id PAA00760 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 15:04:30 +0100 (BST) Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk by oxmail4 with SMTP (PP) with ESMTP; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 14:47:38 +0100 Received: from localhost (immd0001@localhost) by ermine.ox.ac.uk (1.1/8.8.3) with SMTP id OAA15505 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 14:47:33 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 14:47:33 +0100 (BST) From: paul meaney To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Village Indoors Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi all, anyone know who the contact for the Village Indoors tournament is and wether or not invitations are ready? gee...all that and not one swear word....must be getting old. Paul. //////////////////////////////////\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ ****************************************************************************** Kryten: sir, you must forgive Mr Rimmer, he's suffering from a stress- related nervous disorder Lister: Next time I see him he'll be suffering from a fist- related teeth disorder ****************************************************************************** \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\//////////////////////////////////////////// From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Oct 13 21:43:13 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA16900 for britdisc-outgoing; Sun, 12 Oct 1997 15:07:00 +0100 (BST) Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@thistle [137.205.128.4]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA16892 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 1997 15:06:58 +0100 (BST) Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net (punt-1d.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.138]) by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id PAA18454 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 1997 15:06:34 +0100 (BST) Received: from phidelta.demon.co.uk ([158.152.248.177]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1413308; 12 Oct 97 14:58 BST Message-ID: Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 14:08:34 +0100 To: BritDisc From: Wayne Retter Subject: Shotgun training: lift needed MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Trial Version 3.03a Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk to: Anyone going to Shotgun Monday training (Tooting) via REDHILL (A23) in Surrey? Not for this week (13/10/97), but for future reference, if anyone is travelling up (and back) by car, and could provide a lift for me, I'd be most interested. Cheers Wayne Retter -------------------------- Wayne Retter Wayne@phidelta.demon.co.uk 01737-242109 http://www.phidelta.demon.co.uk/ also: wayne_retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk 01737-273611 From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Oct 13 21:49:28 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA07527 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 12:21:50 +0100 (BST) Received: from clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@clover-fddi [137.205.4.2]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA07498 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 12:21:42 +0100 (BST) Received: from crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk (mauer@crocus-fddi [137.205.4.6]) by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA12066 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 07:48:10 +0100 (BST) Received: (from mauer@localhost) by crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.7) id HAA28623 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 07:48:06 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 07:48:06 +0100 (BST) From: Mr R C Doswell Message-Id: <199710130648.HAA28623@crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: BUF Events Reminder Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk British Ultimate Federation Disc Events Diary --------------------------------------------- October 1997 ------------ Saturday 25 October 1997 BUF Regional Championships (3 REGIONS) (2 days) @ ***TDs required*** (date is flexible) November 1997 ------------- Friday 7 November 1997 Sneeky's Beginner's Indoor Tournament (2 days) @ Edinburgh, UK Saturday 29 November 1997 Northern Student Indoor Championships (2 days) TBC @ Lancaster Village People Indoors (2 days) @ Trinity School, Croydon --------------------------------------------------------------- British Ultimate Federation Disc Events Diary http://www.csv.warwick.ac.uk:5201/cgi-bin/diary Ranulf Doswell, ralf@dcs.warwick.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Oct 14 15:37:20 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA02691 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 14:49:22 +0100 (BST) Received: from curlew.cs.man.ac.uk (curlew.cs.man.ac.uk [130.88.13.7]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA02340 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 14:47:39 +0100 (BST) Received: from fs1.art.man.ac.uk [130.88.57.1] by curlew.cs.man.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.651 #2) id 0xL7Jx-0003Ky-00; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 14:47:37 +0100 Received: from MAN-ART-FS1/SpoolDir by fs1.art.man.ac.uk (Mercury 1.21); 14 Oct 97 14:47:38 GMT0BST Received: from SpoolDir by MAN-ART-FS1 (Mercury 1.21); 14 Oct 97 14:47:13 GMT0BST From: "C.A.Nistri" Organization: University of Manchester To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 14:47:13 GMT0BST Subject: Ultim-8 Reply-to: mfix6can@stud.man.ac.uk X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <6134736A69@fs1.art.man.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk I think that Paul Hurt has hit the nail on the head, in his last mail. We at Catch didn't just wake up one morning and find that we were winning more games than we used to. It took alot of committment from all the boys in Leeds with OUTDOOR practises regardless of the weather, and a true desire to get somewhere in Ultimate much like Jedi are doing now. The examples are numerous, perhaps best exemplified by Gun. They have practises at all times and are thus the best team in the country. And for those student teams that say well we can't practise during the summer, well maybe you use the phone spend some money and time to travel and organise a practice yourselves, there is no law stating that student teams have to practise during term time. I think that the tour worked very well this year and is definately the way ahead for ultimate in the country, but obviously it has to be supported by individual teams putting the effort to get somewhere. Nothing that the BUF come up with is going to make teams improve without any effort Just my little piece Christian Catch From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Oct 14 17:56:59 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA07711 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 17:27:38 +0100 (BST) Received: from lily.csv.warwick.ac.uk (esrqr@lily [137.205.192.7]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA07641 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 17:27:17 +0100 (BST) Received: (from esrqr@localhost) by lily.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.7) id RAA20741 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 17:27:15 +0100 (BST) From: Mr A J Tucker Message-Id: <199710141627.RAA20741@lily.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: The Match To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 17:27:14 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk For those of you who've been living on a different planet recently, a very important game of football took place on saturday. As expected the pre-match hype was enormous with both players and supporters giving plenty of lip. The implications of defeat were unimaginable, the stakes as high as they get. The nation held it's breath. On a poor pitch and some vile weather conditions the teams kicked off the start of an epic game. Catch-22 made a strong start and were 3 nil up after only 20 minutes. With the crowd shouting we want 22 it looked like Chevron were dead and buried, the game seemed over before it had started. But Chevron dug deep and with a great individual goal from Kenny, started a comeback that pulled it all square and then just before the half they went 4-3 up. Catch were looking a little dejected but a stiring half time talk, and using the advantage of their substitute to the full they started to show their true class. Despite some controversial refering decisions Catch pulled the game back and in the last quarter hour some really good crowd pleasing football was played. The match finished with Catch winning 8-4. Steve Shipley getting a remarkable 4 goals. In world cup tradition the match was finished with a penalty shoot out, each player having to take a penalty. Steve's form left him when his shot came crashing off the bar, whilst Harry `Chrissy Wadle' Golby made an appaling miss. Both keepers made some fine saves and so it all came down to the last catch penalty. Gareth Southgate made a brave effort but it wasn't to be, and Chevron made off with the conselation prize. It was a great afternoon notable for its lack of crowd violence. It was time to get some beers and watch the amateurs in Rome play. Catch's impressive record now runs to two wins in two games, having previously beaten shotgun comfortably. Are there any other challangers out there? Andy Tucker andrew.tucker@warwick.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Oct 15 09:07:00 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id IAA29901 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 08:47:29 +0100 (BST) Received: from oxmail4.ox.ac.uk (oxmail4.ox.ac.uk [163.1.2.33]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id IAA29891 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 08:47:26 +0100 (BST) Received: from sable.ox.ac.uk by oxmail4 with SMTP (PP) with ESMTP; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 08:47:14 +0100 Received: from [192.76.27.12] (max12.public.ox.ac.uk [192.76.27.12]) by sable.ox.ac.uk (1.2/8.8.3) with SMTP id IAA10710 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 08:47:08 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 08:47:08 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199710150747.IAA10710@sable.ox.ac.uk> X-Sender: gree0226@sable.ox.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: britdisc From: andrew.vickers@Green.oxford.ac.uk (Andrew Vickers) Subject: Tour Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Just a short note. The tour debate has been said to have been characterised between the elite (shotgun, catch etc) who benefitted and the rest. I play with First Touch who came 9th in the tour. We are not part of the elite, but I overwhelmingly support the tour. It gives a focus to the season, improves skills and avoids meaningless games. I also support the emphasis on geo-teams (see Scott's comments about RED.) The strength of First Touch is that we have been playing on the same bit of park, every week of the year for nearly 4 years. That is how we have been able to keep building despite periods where we have lost many of our players. We are open to both beginners and more experienced players: probably the best demonstration of this is that over half of our team never played in a tournament when they joined us. And finally, with all this griping about student teams, has no-one noticed that i) student teams came 11 and 12th at nationals; ii) many teams had student players (eg. OW! players with Oxford)? Andrew First Touch From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Oct 15 16:26:56 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA23512 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 16:05:01 +0100 (BST) Received: from renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk (renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk [129.215.13.3]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA23475 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 16:04:57 +0100 (BST) Received: from eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk (eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk [129.215.13.1]) by renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA23233 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 16:04:55 +0100 (BST) Received: from SMS-EIGG/SpoolDir by eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk (Mercury 1.31); 15 Oct 97 16:03:59 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by SMS-EIGG (Mercury 1.31); 15 Oct 97 16:03:46 +0000 From: "James Spicer" <9550732@eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 16:03:44 +0000 Subject: St Andrews contact ??? Anyone X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.54) Message-ID: Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Dear Everyone Sorry to bother everyone but does anyone have the current contact for st Andrews we have been trying to cantact them for some weeks now but with no success. Is any one from St Andrews outh there. James J.a.Spicer@sms.ed.ac.uk Edinburgh University Ultimate Frisbee Club (Sneeekys) on the net at: http://www.ed.ac.uk/~ultimate/ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Oct 15 22:56:08 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA23723 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 22:38:27 +0100 (BST) Received: from wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk (bee.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk [131.111.48.99]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id WAA23712 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 22:38:24 +0100 (BST) Received: by wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk (UK-Smail 3.1.25.1/15) id ; Wed, 15 Oct 97 22:38 BST Message-Id: Date: Wed, 15 Oct 97 22:38 BST From: mackay@mrao.cam.ac.uk (David J.C. MacKay) To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: SE regionals Cc: mackay@mrao.cam.ac.uk Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk To Southeast teams: I really need to hear from you. It is taking a lot of work to get a full set of fields booked, so I need to know how many teams are likely to come. I have heard from Strange Blue, Mohawks, First Touch, who said "yes" and from Cranfield ultimate, Chaos, Night fever and Ow!, who said "no", but no-one else. Please let me know! U.T.I., Shotgun, Village, Lurkers, Hurricane, Exotica Playthings, B.G.A., Mad Kows, Angels, Albatross, Bliss, are you out there? David p.s. an interesting fact to throw into the tour/students discussion: Chaos and Cranfield say that November is a bad time for their beginner student teams to come to an outdoor tournament. Too soon in the year, and Chaos only play indoor this term. But wasn't this new calendar, with regionals later, meant to be *better* for student teams? ========================================================================== David J.C. MacKay email: mackay@mrao.cam.ac.uk www: http://wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk/mackay/ Cavendish Laboratory, tel: (01223) 339852 fax: 354599 home: 276411 Madingley Road, international code: +44 1223 Cambridge CB3 0HE. U.K. room: 982 Rutherford Building From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Oct 16 10:55:59 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA26983 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 10:40:57 +0100 (BST) Received: from renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk (renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk [129.215.13.3]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA26946 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 10:40:50 +0100 (BST) Received: from arran.sms.ed.ac.uk (arran.sms.ed.ac.uk [129.215.13.5]) by renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA07794 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 10:40:48 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199710160940.KAA07794@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> Received: from SMS-ARRAN/SpoolDir by arran.sms.ed.ac.uk (Mercury 1.31); 16 Oct 97 10:40:48 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by SMS-ARRAN (Mercury 1.31); 16 Oct 97 10:40:32 +0000 From: "Possum" <9466830@arran.sms.ed.ac.uk> Organization: Student Mail Service To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 10:40:25 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: NEW (CORRECT) SNEEEKY'S CONTACT X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk *********************** WARNING !!!!! ************************ THE LAST MESSAGE WAS WRONG, I NOW REMEMBER WHERE I LIVE (I live at 2F3 not 3F2) Hi All, Incase you have lost your invite (or are called Flying Sorcerers) the contact address for sending Cheques or questions is: Sneeeky's Ultimate c/o Possum 33 2F3 Oxford Street EDINBURGH EH8 9PQ 0131-667-7600 D.J.Reid@sms.ed.ac.uk All cheques are made payable to E.U.U.F.C. and another hint for the St Andrews team: GET IN TOUCH! See you around Possum. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Keep your smile on your face * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Oct 16 13:04:19 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA24721 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 12:35:30 +0100 (BST) Received: from oxmail4.ox.ac.uk (oxmail4.ox.ac.uk [163.1.2.33]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA24715 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 12:35:25 +0100 (BST) Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk by oxmail4 with SMTP (PP) with ESMTP; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 12:35:18 +0100 Received: from localhost (immd0001@localhost) by ermine.ox.ac.uk (1.1/8.8.3) with SMTP id MAA09098 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 12:35:17 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 12:35:17 +0100 (BST) From: paul meaney To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Calling Paul Hurt.... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Paul, if you are out there, could you drop me a mail. I seem to have misplaced your email address. It is regarding the Village Indoors. Ta, Paul. P.S. John Copeland says how do! //////////////////////////////////\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ ****************************************************************************** Kryten: sir, you must forgive Mr Rimmer, he's suffering from a stress- related nervous disorder Lister: Next time I see him he'll be suffering from a fist- related teeth disorder ****************************************************************************** \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\//////////////////////////////////////////// From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Oct 16 15:45:36 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA05166 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 15:13:25 +0100 (BST) Received: from amsta.leeds.ac.uk (amsta.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA05113 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 15:13:13 +0100 (BST) Received: from newton.leeds.amsta (newton.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.64]) by amsta.leeds.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA19997 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 15:13:38 +0100 (BST) Received: by newton.leeds.amsta (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id PAA11826; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 15:16:56 +0100 Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 15:16:56 +0100 From: amtsjh@amsta.leeds.ac.uk (S J Hill) Message-Id: <199710161416.PAA11826@newton.leeds.amsta> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: NORTH & MIDS REGIONAL X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reminder -------- 1/2 Nov @ Adams Grammar School I have 2 cheques... 6 more PROMISES... and some maybes... So it looks like the tournament will happen - but its not certain YET. If you are thinking of sending a team but haven't been in touch yet, please let me know today or tomorrow. (At least leave a message on the ansaphone: 0113 289 0971.) Si From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Oct 16 17:28:24 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA04884 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 17:08:04 +0100 (BST) Received: from smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk (smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk [193.114.232.66]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA04880 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 17:08:02 +0100 (BST) From: Wayne_Retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk Received: from smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk (unverified [126.128.26.71]) by smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk (Integralis SMTPRS 2.04) with SMTP id ; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 17:06:50 +0100 Received: from ccMail by smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk (IMA Internet Exchange 2.1 Enterprise) id 000110D8; Thu, 16 Oct 97 17:10:24 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 17:07:01 +0100 Message-Id: <000110D8.004069@watsonwyatt.co.uk> Subject: Re: When is Newport Indoors likely to be? To: "Simon Weeks" , britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk I know we're talking about INDOOR (yuk! spit! :) grin!) Ultimate, but did Simon mean "subjest" or "subject" -rhetorical At this rate, Newport Indoors will *hopefully* be the weekend of 31 January & 01 February 1997 Try as I might, I can't get the venue to confirm this for definate until the end of October. (If it's not that weekend then it might be the w/e of 10/11 Jan, but the Druids are probably supposed to be going to Goteborg that weekend...) Wayne Retter Fluid Druids Tournament Organisation ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: When is Newport Indoors likely to be? Author: "Simon Weeks" at ~Internet Date: 16/10/97 16:46 See subjest. Cheers, Simon. ___________________________________________________________________ Notice of Confidentiality This transmission is intended for the named addressee only. It contains information which may be confidential and which may also be privileged. Unless you are the named addressee (or authorised to receive it for the addressee) you may not copy or use it, or disclose it to anyone else. If you have received this transmission in error please contact: admin@watsonwyatt.co.uk or IT Manager: +44(0) 1737 241144 Fax : +44(0) 1737 241496 ___________________________________________________________________ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Oct 17 15:05:31 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA21041 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 14:41:12 +0100 (BST) Received: from dryctnath.mmu.ac.uk (dryctnath.mmu.ac.uk [149.170.190.134]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA20985 for ; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 14:40:49 +0100 (BST) Received: from turing.ayt.stu.mmu.ac.uk by dryctnath.mmu.ac.uk with internet SMTP with ESMTP; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 14:40:35 +0100 Received: from MMU-MAN-TURING/SpoolDir by turing.ayt.stu.mmu.ac.uk (Mercury 1.32); 17 Oct 97 14:44:22 GMT0BST Received: from SpoolDir by MMU-MAN-TURING (Mercury 1.32); 17 Oct 97 14:43:59 GMT0BST From: 64026159 <64026159@mmu.ac.uk> Organization: Manchester Metropolitan University (MANSTU-IBU) To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 14:43:52 GMT0BST Subject: legends!!! Reply-to: 64026159@mmu.ac.uk X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.53/R1) Message-ID: <17D07B755E2@turing.ayt.stu.mmu.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Well, where do we begin eh?? saved from the brink of not becoming an official "team"....fingers six pulls it back with 1. people actually turning up to practice.....2. People turning up to sundays and....wait for the best bit...we actually had a wednesday practice...and hey guys wasn't it good?......rolling around in mud is fun!! Just for anyone who is or, ever will be in the area...those all new wednesday "practices" will be from 2pm at platt fields....opposite Hardy's Well........a place George (the volcano), Christian , Tom and myself would now like to call our Wednesday home...... nads. .....where's wally???.......challis?!!..........Beneroonikins?!...... . ."guys grow up...you're so immature" (tucker!)..... ....Baradar....."but what's that in english?" "yes it's her birthday......she's only......sixteen!" legendary guest appearance by the Kenster... love it. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Oct 17 16:39:04 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA10718 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 16:10:57 +0100 (BST) Received: from pp2.shef.ac.uk (pp2.shef.ac.uk [143.167.1.32]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id QAA10620; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 16:10:26 +0100 (BST) Received: from agden.shef.ac.uk [143.167.31.254] by pp2.shef.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.62 #12) id 0xME2f-00048S-00; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 16:10:21 +0100 Received: from AGDEN/MAILQUEUE by agden.shef.ac.uk (Mercury 1.21); 17 Oct 97 16:10:20 +0100 Received: from MAILQUEUE by AGDEN (Mercury 1.30); 17 Oct 97 16:10:09 +0100 From: "Simon Weeks" To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk, All.University.Ultimate.Teams@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 16:09:59 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Student Indoors CC: Ralf X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <1F6FFD1407@agden.shef.ac.uk> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-printable to 8bit by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id QAA10648 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Here’s a quick note to let you know when and where you should, or rather want to be, for the coming indoor season. It’s the student qualifiers so go along and qualify, and we will see ya’ all at the finals in mid febuary (date and venue to be confirmed). The Student Regional Qualifiers are... North - Lancaster - 29/30 November Shaun Lohman 01524 874230 s.lohman@lancaster.ac.uk Midlands - Sheffield - 6/7 December SimonWeeks 0114 222 9999 x 52252 gga95sew@sheffield.ac.uk South-West - Bristol - 6/7 December Chris Hebert 0117 973 0385 ch5400@bristol.ac.uk South-East - Brighton - 6/7 December Locks kevinbr@epunix.susx.ac.uk If you are not sure which region you are in please get in contact with me. Please do not contact your tournament director unnecessarily, as they will be contacting you very shortly with further details of their tournament including cost, times of play, details of accomodation and directions to the venue. Also enclosed in this letter will be details of student eligibility, which should clear up any problems. However if you are still unsure feel free to contact me. The easisest way to contact me is by email, but if you do want to ring then you can leave a message for me. So get practicing and we look foward to dribbling over your disc skills, fainting at your tactical prowess and in general, worshipping at the throne that is, Ultimate. Simon Weeks Student Coordinator ############################################################### Simon Weeks Sorby Hall Endcliffe Vale Road SHEFFIELD S10 3ES email: gga95sew@sheffield.ac.uk 0114 222 9999 x 52252 From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Oct 17 16:51:26 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA17752 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 16:42:26 +0100 (BST) Received: from pp2.shef.ac.uk (pp2.shef.ac.uk [143.167.1.32]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id QAA17737 for ; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 16:42:22 +0100 (BST) Received: from agden.shef.ac.uk [143.167.31.254] by pp2.shef.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.62 #12) id 0xMEXd-0004yG-00; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 16:42:21 +0100 Received: from AGDEN/MAILQUEUE by agden.shef.ac.uk (Mercury 1.21); 17 Oct 97 16:42:21 +0100 Received: from MAILQUEUE by AGDEN (Mercury 1.30); 17 Oct 97 16:42:19 +0100 From: "Simon Weeks" To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 16:42:18 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Lost Teams!! X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <1FF93F0084@agden.shef.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk I have still have absolutely no up to date contact details for... Hot Stamp Rejects (Wolves) Picnic in the Sky (Plymouth) Flying Saucerers (St Andrews) Tricky Ganjsters (Bolton) If anyone has got any idea what hole they've found to hide in, please let me know. Simon Weeks. ################################################### simon weeks sorby hall, endcliffe vale road, sheffield, s10 3es tel. 0114 222 9999 extension 52252 email: gga95sew@sheffield.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Oct 17 17:47:59 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA26293 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 17:24:24 +0100 (BST) Received: from wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk (bee.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk [131.111.48.99]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id RAA26263 for ; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 17:24:18 +0100 (BST) Received: by wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk (UK-Smail 3.1.25.1/15) id ; Fri, 17 Oct 97 17:24 BST Message-Id: Date: Fri, 17 Oct 97 17:24 BST From: mackay@mrao.cam.ac.uk (David J.C. MacKay) To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Southeast regionals confirmation Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Dear Britdisc, SE regionals (outdoors) in Cambridge November 1-2 are on. Invitations are going in the post now. Captains meeting is 9.30am. Venue is Cambridge Rugby Football Ground, Grantchester Road (Saturday) and Trinity New Field, Grantchester Road (Sunday). Simple showers and tea / coffee will be provided. Some overnight floor space is available for visitors. Tournament cost is not known yet, but it will certainly be less than 60.00 pounds. Cheques will be collected at the captains meeting. Cambridge can be reached easily by train; bikes are permitted on the trains to Cambridge from London. People coming by road should take Junction 12 off the M11 onto Barton Road. If players would like to come and play some *indoors* in a shiny new sports hall on Friday night, 6-7pm, let me know. If you have not told me you are coming, please do so. (Village people, VH, Shotgun, & co.?) Current teams attending are Strange blue, Mohawks, Red shift, First Touch, and Ow!/2 (half an Ow team). Yours David ========================================================================== David J.C. MacKay email: mackay@mrao.cam.ac.uk www: http://wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk/mackay/ Cavendish Laboratory, tel: (01223) 339852 fax: 354599 home: 276411 Madingley Road, international code: +44 1223 Cambridge CB3 0HE. U.K. room: 982 Rutherford Building ------------ At Newton Inst: 330536 ------------- From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sat Oct 18 19:21:09 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id TAA25683 for britdisc-outgoing; Sat, 18 Oct 1997 19:01:38 +0100 (BST) Received: from wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk (wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk [131.111.48.24]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id TAA25673 for ; Sat, 18 Oct 1997 19:01:35 +0100 (BST) Received: by wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk (UK-Smail 3.1.25.1/15) id ; Sat, 18 Oct 97 19:01 BST Message-Id: Date: Sat, 18 Oct 97 19:01 BST From: mackay@mrao.cam.ac.uk (David J.C. MacKay) To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk, frisbee@mrao.cam.ac.uk Subject: Southeast regionals - web page Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk There is now a WEB PAGE for the regionals on Nov 1-2: http://wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk/ultimate/reg97.html which has a map and other information. The latest news is that we will have the use of the rugby club bar all day Saturday, and perhaps on Sunday too. The bar will serve food. This is looking like it's going to be a great tournament! :*) All teams are welcome, from any region. Invitations have been posted; if you don't get one by Tuesday get in touch. That's all from me. David ========================================================================== David J.C. MacKay email: mackay@mrao.cam.ac.uk www: http://wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk/mackay/ Cavendish Laboratory, tel: (01223) 339852 fax: 354599 home: 276411 Madingley Road, international code: +44 1223 Cambridge CB3 0HE. U.K. room: 982 Rutherford Building ------------ At Newton Inst: 330536 ------------- From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sun Oct 19 01:52:39 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id BAA21550 for britdisc-outgoing; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 01:35:55 +0100 (BST) Received: from wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk (wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk [131.111.48.24]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id BAA21544 for ; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 01:35:43 +0100 (BST) Received: by wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk (UK-Smail 3.1.25.1/15) id ; Sun, 19 Oct 97 01:35 BST Message-Id: Date: Sun, 19 Oct 97 01:35 BST From: mackay@mrao.cam.ac.uk (David J.C. MacKay) To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Infera - Program for inferring rankings from game scores Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Dear Britdisc, a year ago I wrote a program for inferring rankings from game scores. The reasons for doing this are described here: http://wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk/ultimate/infera/ The program was tested on last year's regionals data but hasn't been used for an ultimate tournament. (I have used it to predict outcomes of soccer games, though, and won some bets at Littlewoods!) This is a note to let you know that I still think this program is a good idea, and I will probably use it to rank teams in the 97 southeast regionals. It allows you to set up arbitrary tournament schedules and still deduce team rankings from the results in a fair way at the end of the day. If you want to see an example of the output produced by the program (e.g. graphical output with `error bars' on the team rankings) then take a look at the postscript file available here: http://wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk/ultimate/infera/ If anyone is interested in having their tournament scores put through this program, please follow the instructions given here: http://wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk/ultimate/infera/request and send me an email. Yours, David the Inference Man ========================================================================== David J.C. MacKay email: mackay@mrao.cam.ac.uk www: http://wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk/mackay/ Cavendish Laboratory, tel: (01223) 339852 fax: 354599 home: 276411 Madingley Road, international code: +44 1223 Cambridge CB3 0HE. U.K. room: 982 Rutherford Building ------------ At Newton Inst: 330536 ------------- From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Oct 20 08:04:51 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id HAA13533 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 07:48:12 +0100 (BST) Received: from crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk (mauer@crocus [137.205.192.13]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA13517 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 07:48:10 +0100 (BST) Received: (from mauer@localhost) by crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.7) id HAA12329 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 07:48:08 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 07:48:08 +0100 (BST) From: Mr R C Doswell Message-Id: <199710200648.HAA12329@crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: BUF Events Reminder Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk British Ultimate Federation Disc Events Diary --------------------------------------------- October 1997 ------------ Saturday 25 October 1997 BUF Regional Championships (3 REGIONS) (2 days) @ ***TDs required*** (date is flexible) November 1997 ------------- Friday 7 November 1997 Sneeky's Beginner's Indoor Tournament (2 days) @ Edinburgh, UK Saturday 29 November 1997 Northern Student Indoor Championships (2 days) TBC @ Lancaster Village People Indoors (2 days) @ Trinity School, Croydon --------------------------------------------------------------- British Ultimate Federation Disc Events Diary http://www.csv.warwick.ac.uk:5201/cgi-bin/diary Ranulf Doswell, ralf@dcs.warwick.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Oct 20 10:37:39 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id JAA23766 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 09:33:44 +0100 (BST) Received: from csu1.uwic.ac.uk (csu1.uwic.ac.uk [193.62.96.9]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA23755 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 09:33:41 +0100 (BST) Received: from b401ca02.uwic.ac.uk by csu1.uwic.ac.uk (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA07133; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 09:35:35 GMT From: daniel kingdon To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: fandabidozidiscsport Message-ID: Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 09:33:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: Simeon for Windows Version 4.0.9 X-Authentication: IMSP MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Please, all ultimate players in Cardiff make yourself known to d.j.kingdon@uwic.ac.uk if you are interested in starting a new team. ( in Cardiff ) ---------------------- daniel kingdon D.J.KINGDON@uwic.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Oct 20 12:25:36 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA05267 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 10:39:10 +0100 (BST) Received: from wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk (bee.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk [131.111.48.99]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA05230 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 10:38:56 +0100 (BST) Received: by wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk (UK-Smail 3.1.25.1/15) id ; Mon, 20 Oct 97 10:38 BST Message-Id: Date: Mon, 20 Oct 97 10:38 BST From: mackay@mrao.cam.ac.uk (David J.C. MacKay) To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: SE regionals - flexible schedule available for awkward teams Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk SE regionals: Hi, me again. Sorry! I have had a couple of teams indicate that they might be able to come for a one-day tournament rather than a two-day tournament. I am willing to make a schedule for the whole event, 1-2 November, which will accommodate such teams. e.g. Shotgun, I understand you might be interested in coming on Saturday? Please let me know as soon as possible. (Still waiting to hear from VH, VP, UTI, Angels, Lurkers, Hurricane, High Pie...) There will be a captains meeting each day at 9.30, and first game will be at 10am each day. Teams from all regions are welcome, including youth teams and beginners teams. I have booked five pitches for each day, so I would like to have ten teams on both days. yours, David http://wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk/ultimate/reg97.html ========================================================================== David J.C. MacKay email: mackay@mrao.cam.ac.uk www: http://wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk/mackay/ Cavendish Laboratory, tel: (01223) 339852 fax: 354599 home: 276411 Madingley Road, international code: +44 1223 Cambridge CB3 0HE. U.K. room: 982 Rutherford Building ------------ At Newton Inst: 330536 ------------- From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Oct 20 15:17:05 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA25933 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 14:24:11 +0100 (BST) Received: from admin.company-net.co.uk (mail.company-net.co.uk [193.129.5.65] (may be forged)) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA25756 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 14:23:39 +0100 (BST) Received: by mail.company-net.co.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 14:25:43 +0100 Message-ID: From: Richard Clegg To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Edinburgh Beginner's Tournament Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 14:25:39 +0100 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="---- =_NextPart_001_01BCDD64.0C55F800" Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------ =_NextPart_001_01BCDD64.0C55F800 Content-Type: text/plain Details of this years Edinburgh Beginner's Indoor Tournament are now available on the Sneeeky's Website at www.ed.ac.uk/~ultimate/beg1997.htm See you there (you know you want to come), Scuttler. ps ignore any strange attachments that may come with this message, it's just my emailer screwing up. ------ =_NextPart_001_01BCDD64.0C55F800 Content-Type: text/html

Details of this years Edinburgh Beginner's Indoor Tournament are now available on the Sneeeky's Website at

www.ed.ac.uk/~ultimate/beg1997.htm

See you there (you know you want to come),
Scuttler.

ps ignore any strange attachments that may come with this message, it's just my emailer screwing up.

------ =_NextPart_001_01BCDD64.0C55F800-- From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Oct 21 11:40:20 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA29118 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 10:34:05 +0100 (BST) Received: from shrimp.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (ralf@shrimp [137.205.227.130]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA29067 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 10:33:51 +0100 (BST) From: Ralf Message-Id: <18043.199710210933@shrimp.dcs.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: st andrews To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 10:33:49 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL35 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk ----- Forwarded message from owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk ----- Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 18:30:06 +0100 (BST) From: Gillon Charles Campbell X-Sender: gcc@st-andrews.ac.uk To: brit disc cc: Britdisc Subject: where I am Well I have heard that people have been trying to get hold of me and as I have forgotten how to re-subscribe to britdisc so her is my address and that of the new president of St Andrews ultimate Gillon Campbell 13A Hope St St Andrews Fife Ky16 9hj Kevin Gates (pres) 4A Hope St thanks Gillon ----- End of forwarded message from owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk ----- ____ ____ _ _ ____ .----------------------------------------. _\__ \ _\__ \ / \ / \\__/ | Ranulf Doswell | / \_/ /_ / \_/ \ / / / /___ | Department of Computer Science | \ __ \\ __ \\ \ _\ \\_/ |University of Warwick, COVENTRY, CV4 7AL| \ \ \ \\ \ \ \\ \__/ \\ \ | Phone: 01203 523 296 | \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \______/ \_/ `----------------------------------------' From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Oct 21 16:17:09 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA02992 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 15:07:00 +0100 (BST) Received: from pp2.shef.ac.uk (pp2.shef.ac.uk [143.167.1.32]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id PAA02932 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 15:06:46 +0100 (BST) Received: from agden.shef.ac.uk [143.167.31.254] by pp2.shef.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.62 #12) id 0xNexJ-0004DD-00; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 15:06:45 +0100 Received: from AGDEN/MAILQUEUE by agden.shef.ac.uk (Mercury 1.21); 21 Oct 97 15:06:46 +0100 Received: from MAILQUEUE by AGDEN (Mercury 1.30); 21 Oct 97 15:06:41 +0100 From: "Simon Weeks" To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 15:06:39 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Student Indoor Midland Qualifiers Ammendment X-mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.31 Message-ID: <7E62D85F31@agden.shef.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Contrary to the email that went out last week, the Midlands Student Qualifiers will now be a week earlier on the 29/30 Nov. Sorry this has to clash with the Village Indoors, but there was no choice in the end. Cheers, Si. P.S. Tournament invites have gone into the post today for all regions. Please let me know if you haven't received yours by the end of the week. ################################################### simon weeks sorby hall, endcliffe vale road, sheffield, s10 3es tel. 0114 222 9999 extension 52252 email: gga95sew@sheffield.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Oct 22 10:09:44 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id JAA14887 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 09:35:00 +0100 (BST) Received: from helium.btinternet.com (helium.btinternet.com [194.72.6.229]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA14875 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 09:34:56 +0100 (BST) Received: from snow.btinternet.com [194.72.6.226] by helium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 1.70 #1) id 0xNwNv-0000K3-00; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 08:43:23 +0000 Received: from mail.btinternet.com [195.99.47.106] by snow.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 1.70 #1) id 0xNwGf-0006Px-00; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 09:35:53 +0100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail and News for Macintosh - 1.1 (34) Subject: Interested in practices in London From: Tim Chapman To: Ultimate Frisbee Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 09:35:53 +0100 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Got your address from In London and having played a little ultimate at Uni a few years ago am keen to get back into the picture. Could you please send me info and whereabouts of practices near me. I am in SW 19 Colliers wood, 84 Acre road to be exact and on the phone 0181 5440783. Regards Tim Chapman From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Oct 23 10:26:57 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id JAA00133 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 09:22:56 +0100 (BST) Received: from utrecht.knoware.nl (utrecht.knoware.nl [193.78.120.3]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA00029 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 09:22:24 +0100 (BST) Received: from [193.78.127.158] (beastie-ppp7.knoware.nl [193.78.127.158]) by utrecht.knoware.nl (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id KAA14566 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 10:22:12 +0200 X-Sender: mikeocon@pop.knoware.nl Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 07:20:33 +0200 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: IJsselsteinse Disctivity Center Subject: london discgolf Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi, an acquaintance is going to London this weekend and is interested in discgolf anyone playing this weekend? Any courses with permanent tee markers? with regards, Mike p.s. discgolf in Liege (Luik), Belgium this Saturday 1 November in Groningen 6 December inTilburg and 3 January in Rotterdam ( euromast park) still looking for those interested in a 12 1/2 year celebration tourney for the 1985 tourney in Helsingborg (beginning of WFDF) sometime in March. --- Dulcimer DiscSport /Baseball School IJsselsteins Disctivity Center Nedereindseweg 501 d (langs de Openbare 'fiets/brommerweg', door het recreatie terrein) 3437 PM Nieuwegein corr. address: Zwedenstraat 3 3402 TG IJsselstein The Netherlands tel 31 30 688 1711 E-mail mikeocon@knoware.nl From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Oct 27 08:16:06 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id HAA26742 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 27 Oct 1997 07:48:11 GMT Received: from crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk (mauer@crocus [137.205.192.13]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA26724 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 1997 07:48:08 GMT Received: (from mauer@localhost) by crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.7) id HAA18012 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Mon, 27 Oct 1997 07:48:06 GMT Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 07:48:06 GMT From: Mr R C Doswell Message-Id: <199710270748.HAA18012@crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: BUF Events Reminder Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk British Ultimate Federation Disc Events Diary --------------------------------------------- November 1997 ------------- Friday 7 November 1997 Sneeky's Beginner's Indoor Tournament (2 days) @ Edinburgh, UK Saturday 29 November 1997 Northern Student Indoor Championships (2 days) TBC @ Lancaster Village People Indoors (2 days) @ Trinity School, Croydon --------------------------------------------------------------- British Ultimate Federation Disc Events Diary http://www.csv.warwick.ac.uk:5201/cgi-bin/diary Ranulf Doswell, ralf@dcs.warwick.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Oct 28 14:40:04 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA27640 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 28 Oct 1997 14:14:30 GMT Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@thistle [137.205.128.4]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA09219 for ; Tue, 28 Oct 1997 11:04:27 GMT Received: from wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk (bee.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk [131.111.48.99]) by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id AAA14084 for ; Tue, 28 Oct 1997 00:13:03 GMT Received: by wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk (UK-Smail 3.1.25.1/15) id ; Tue, 28 Oct 97 00:12 GMT Message-Id: Date: Tue, 28 Oct 97 00:12 GMT From: mackay@mrao.cam.ac.uk (David J.C. MacKay) To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: southeast regionals nov 1-2 Cc: mackay@mrao.cam.ac.uk Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Dear Britdisc The following nine teams have signed up for the regionals in Cambridge: UTI First Touch Strange Blue Red Shift MohawksY Skunks1 Skunks2 MohawksX Strange Blue2 I would love to have three more teams (from anywhere). Pickup players are warmly welcomed. Please contact me if you want to come. The tournament will have: genuine showers - both days ! :-o a bar with nice food (Saturday) endless tea and coffee a party endless sunshine, birdsong and gentle breezes and BIG FUN! More information on the web here: http://wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk/ultimate/reg97.html Yours, David 01223 339852 ========================================================================== David J.C. MacKay email: mackay@mrao.cam.ac.uk www: http://wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk/mackay/ Cavendish Laboratory, tel: (01223) 339852 fax: 354599 home: 276411 Madingley Road, international code: +44 1223 Cambridge CB3 0HE. U.K. room: 982 Rutherford Building ------------ At Newton Inst: 330536 ------------- From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Oct 29 00:32:08 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA23980 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 28 Oct 1997 15:37:44 GMT Received: from clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@clover-fddi [137.205.4.2]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA23871 for ; Tue, 28 Oct 1997 15:37:29 GMT Received: from ntintel2.webleicester.co.uk (ntserv.webleicester.co.uk [195.134.2.34]) by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id QAA11566 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 1997 16:56:27 GMT Received: from www.ultimateweb.co.uk (www.ultimateweb.co.uk [195.134.2.8]) by ntintel2.webleicester.co.uk (NTMail 3.02.13) with ESMTP id oa031500 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 1997 16:55:22 +0000 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Mon, 27 Oct 1997 16:50:37 -0000 Message-ID: <01BCE2F8.73513580.scott@webleicester.co.uk> From: Ian Scotland To: "'britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk'" Subject: New Red Address Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 16:50:35 -0000 Organization: WEBLEICESTER X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk The address for Red has changed as follows:- Leicester Ultimate Club (Red) PO Box 1075 Leicester LE2 1YQ Tel: 0116 2559638 (Ben Ravilious) Email: red@ultimateweb.co.uk That's it.... Scott From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Oct 30 16:22:13 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA10190 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 30 Oct 1997 15:37:45 GMT Received: from dryctnath.mmu.ac.uk (dryctnath.mmu.ac.uk [149.170.190.134]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA10154 for ; Thu, 30 Oct 1997 15:37:38 GMT Received: from turing.ayt.stu.mmu.ac.uk by dryctnath.mmu.ac.uk with internet SMTP with ESMTP; Thu, 30 Oct 1997 15:37:09 +0000 Received: from MMU-MAN-TURING/SpoolDir by turing.ayt.stu.mmu.ac.uk (Mercury 1.32); 30 Oct 97 15:37:11 GMT0BST Received: from SpoolDir by MMU-MAN-TURING (Mercury 1.32); 30 Oct 97 15:36:13 GMT0BST From: nads <64026159@mmu.ac.uk> Organization: Manchester Metropolitan University (MANSTU-IBU) To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 15:36:11 GMT0BST Subject: fly Reply-to: 64026159@mmu.ac.uk X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.53/R1) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk hey.....nads here f6...(yeah, sorry) just a couple of things.... superfly, does anyone have tall sally's phone no in london?....or her mail address as i've lost it..... lets all congratulate rob spaight in his commitment to the fight "against??!" fees!! cheers........nadsy From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Oct 31 17:45:18 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA29886 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 31 Oct 1997 17:25:27 GMT Received: from cargill.com (charon.cargill.com [167.136.225.225]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA29819 for ; Fri, 31 Oct 1997 17:24:56 GMT From: Andy_Lucey@cargill.com Received: (from root@localhost) by cargill.com (8.8.2/8.8.0) id LAA08448 for ; Fri, 31 Oct 1997 11:24:16 -0600 (CST) Received: from lonn.cgo.cargill.com(172.31.59.51) by charon.cargill.com via smap (V1.3mjr) id sma008433; Fri Oct 31 11:23:39 1997 Received: from by lonn.cgo.cargill.com (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA51558; Fri, 31 Oct 1997 17:20:09 GMT X-Openmail-Hops: 1 Date: Fri, 31 Oct 97 17:19:07 +0000 Message-Id: Subject: bdga matchplay Mime-Version: 1.0 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; name="cc:Mail" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Whether by holiday, honeymoon, apathy or even bribery, corruption, putt-moving & various other forms of low morality, the field has been decided for the second BDGA matchplay tournament,this year to be held at Essex University on the weekend 8/9 November 1997. As for last year, all games will be contested on a 'one-on-one' knockout basis, giving everyone 4 rounds over the course of the 2 days & at the end acompletely useless BDGA matchplay rank. Due to the ridiculous British tradition of daylight-saving, play will start early both days - so we would like everyone to be there at 9.00 am Saturday morning ready for 9.30. We will try to stagger the starts but will probably have 4 groups begin on the 1st hole & 4 on the 9th. Running alongside the main event will also be the second BDGA fantasy event- leave this to your imagination. For the players-Please be there 9.00 am latest as you will bugger up the event for everyone if there is a delay. By the same token, it is important you let me know as far ahead as possible if you think you may not be able to come- although at time of writing, all 16 players had confirmed their slot. These are the lucky 16- ( in no particular order) Bud Ivan 'nice fleece'Bromage Bud Light Oz Freire Son of Bud Derek Robbins BOF Si Luard Lindsey Parkin Toy Lucey Rob Scott Charlie Mead Wacky Wakeford Steve Parker Rich Sampson Jim Edwards Although the field for the main tournament is restricted, all players are welcome to watch- last year a second matchplay event was run alongside the main event with the same likely to happen this time. The format is much friendlier to potential golfers who find the 4-round format too much- so novices are welcome. For more details call Andy Lucey (01712204861) or Oz Freire (01818750907). From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Nov 3 09:52:09 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id JAA29235 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 09:26:09 GMT Received: from cargill.com (charon.cargill.com [167.136.225.225]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA29210 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 09:26:06 GMT From: Andy_Lucey@cargill.com Received: (from root@localhost) by cargill.com (8.8.2/8.8.0) id DAA13276 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 03:25:33 -0600 (CST) Received: from lonn.cgo.cargill.com(172.31.59.51) by charon.cargill.com via smap (V1.3mjr) id sma013241; Mon Nov 3 03:24:50 1997 Received: from by lonn.cgo.cargill.com (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA47896; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 09:21:18 GMT X-Openmail-Hops: 1 Date: Mon, 3 Nov 97 09:20:48 +0000 Message-Id: Subject: bdga matchplay draw Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; name="cc:Mail" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Apparently-To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk forgot to add draw in main information: 1-derek robbins- 16-robin scott- ------------------------ 8-bud tilton- 9-tony wakeford- ----------------------------------------- 5-si luard- 12-neale pickett- ------------------------ 4-bof davies- 11-steve parker- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------ 3-oz freiere 12-rich sampson- ------------------------ 6-jim edwards 11-ivan bromage ----------------------------------------- 7-andy lucey 10-charlie mead ------------------------ 2-sam neilson 15-lindsey parkin hope all clear toy From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Nov 3 11:28:08 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA17470 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 11:07:57 GMT Received: from mps2.leeds.ac.uk (mps2.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.16.22]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA17462 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 11:07:54 GMT Received: from lucs-03.novell.leeds.ac.uk (lucs-03.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.76.3]) by mps2.leeds.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA27221 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 11:10:30 GMT Received: from LUCS-H13/SpoolDir by lucs-03.novell.leeds.ac.uk (Mercury 1.31); 3 Nov 97 11:07:53 GMT0BST Received: from SpoolDir by LUCS-H13 (Mercury 1.31); 3 Nov 97 11:07:37 GMT0BST From: "Neil (Bruce) Webber" Organization: University of Leeds To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 11:06:41 GMT Subject: Clutching at straws. Reply-to: phy5ncw@leeds.ac.uk X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.54) Message-ID: <35CCF5B4BE2@lucs-03.novell.leeds.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk To anyone who cares. Did anyone at the Newport tourney this weekend happen to find some keys. They're just one yale-type key and the key for my D-type bike lock. Vainly hoping, Bruce The legends live on. "Duct tape is like the Force. It has a light side and a dark side,and it binds the universe together." From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Nov 3 11:35:13 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA19490 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 11:18:49 GMT Received: from wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk (eor.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk [131.111.48.66]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA19474 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 11:18:47 GMT Received: by wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk (UK-Smail 3.1.25.1/15) id ; Mon, 3 Nov 97 11:18 GMT Message-Id: Date: Mon, 3 Nov 97 11:18 GMT From: mackay@mrao.cam.ac.uk (David J.C. MacKay) To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk, frisbee@mrao.cam.ac.uk Subject: SE regs 97 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Southeast Regional Outdoor Ultimate Championships Cambridge, November 1-2 1997 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Results: Team infera rating 1 UTI 11.2 +/- 0.2 2 Red Shift 10.9 +/- 0.2 3 First Touch 10.8 +/- 0.2 4 Slowhawks 10.2 +/- 0.2 5 Doh'hawks 10.1 +/- 0.2 6 Strange Blue 2 9.7 +/- 0.2 7 Skunks 1 9.5 +/- 0.2 8 Strange Blue 1 9.2 +/- 0.2 9 Skunks 2 8.3 +/- 0.2 Spirit of the game: Doh'hawks ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The start of the 97 regionals featured thick fog - fog thicker than the winds of the 96 regionals were windy. But all the teams managed occasionally to find the disc, each other, and the endzones during their initial games. The sun burst through after an hour or two, and the weather from then on was pleasant and gentle. The Spirit in the tournament was really good, and I think everyone had a good time. Skunks and Mohawks led the Halloween partying at Darwin College, and UTI and First Touch were able to return to London for their Halloween parties without adverse effects on their games. More than half of the teams had a substantial number of beginners, and I think that they really enjoyed learning from playing with the top teams of the region. Many thanks to everyone who came. Thankyou for playing your games on time, and for being clean and tidy guests. I think the Cambridge Rugby Club will be willing to have us all again. Maybe a Summer tournament next year? ------------------------------------------------------------------------- There now follow: (A) Lost property. (B) Discussion of the 'infera' software used to process the scores and spit out the above ranking and ratings. (C) Scores of all games. (D) Photos from the tournament. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- (A) ===================================================================== Lost property: found -- one key on chain with hospice medallion one black hat, one pair black gloves three shirts one pair black tracksuit trousers (B) ===================================================================== Discussion of Infera's ranks ========================================================================== 0) Background: Infera is a program which infers the most probable ranking, by ability, of a set of teams based on the scores of any games they have played. It is applicable to any tournament format. Teams may have played different numbers of games, the games may have been of different durations, and teams need not have been arranged in equal strength pools. A description of the program can be found on the web here. http://wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk/ultimate/infera/ The basic idea is that the score of any one game provides information about the relative rank of the two teams. -- A game does not provide concrete information though; if two teams are close in ability, the game might go either way. So a close win for team A over team B does not show for certain that A is better than B; it's just more probable. The longer the game, the more information it gives about the teams' relative abilities. Infera uses probability theory to figure out the most probable ranking. Infera was first used for real at the 1997 Southeast Regionals in Cambridge. The tournament format was in fact a round robin, so it is possible to compare infera's ranking with the rankings given by more traditional methods which can be applied to round robins. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Results: infera score games won goal difference 1 UTI UTI 11.2 +/- 0.2 8 67 2 Red Shift RS 10.9 +/- 0.2 7 44 3 First Touch FT 10.8 +/- 0.2 6 48 4 Slowhawks M1 10.2 +/- 0.2 5 8 5 Doh'hawks M2 10.1 +/- 0.2 4 1 6 Strange Blue 2 SB2 9.7 +/- 0.2 2 -21 7 Skunks 1 SK1 9.5 +/- 0.2 3 -34 8 Strange Blue 1 SB1 9.2 +/- 0.2 1 -43 9 Skunks 2 SK2 8.3 +/- 0.2 0 -70 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 1) Comparison with goal difference After a round robin, one possible way to rank teams is by goal difference. In this tournie, it turned out that infera's rankings were almost the same as the rankings you would get from goal difference, except Red Shift and First Touch (who have goal differences 44 and 48) came out switched. Maybe the reason that Red Shift had a slightly poorer goal difference than FT is that UTI really pulled out the stops in their last game, against RS. And this final game was longer in duration by 33% than all other games in the tournament, so this game has a slightly disproportionate effect on the ranking by goal difference. 2) Comparison with traditional (win/lose) rankings. Another traditional (and rather crude) performance measure for a round robin is number of games won. In this tournament, it gives a clean ranking of the teams, but a _different_ one from infera's. Skunks1 come ahead of SB2 by `games won', because the SK1/SB2 result was SK1 6 SB2 5. But Infera gave SB2 a score of 9.7 +/- 0.2, and SK1 a score of 9.5 +/- 0.2. So, why did infera put SB2 slightly ahead of SK1? The SB2/SK1 result was a close result, obviously. (only a draw could have been closer, and the hooter happened to go during an odd point.) So to rank SB2 relative to SK1, Infera takes into account not only the SK1/SB2 result, but also the results against other teams, and the ranks of those other teams. So let's look at the other scores of SK1 and SB2 ... SK1 3 UTI 13 SB2 2 UTI 13 SK1 2 RS 13 SB2 1 RS 13 SK1 5 FT 13 SB2 8 FT 10 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< SK1 6 M1 11 SB2 6 M1 13 SK1 4 M2 13 SB2 4 M2 7 <<<<<<<<< SK1 6 SB1 4 SB2 9 SB1 6 SK1 9 SK2 3 SB2 13 SK2 1 < Clearly, SB2 did much better against FT and against M2. It's because of these strong results that SB was ranked a tiny bit higher. Which is the fairer ranking? Infera reports what it reckons is the _most_probable_ ranking, and it takes into account more than just the simple win/lose outcome. Its estimate is that it is more probable, given all the results, that SB2 was stronger than SK1, and that the SK1/SB2 game happened to go the other way, rather than the alternative hypothesis, that SK1 is better than SB2, but SB2 managed by fluke to get a much better result against FT. What do you think? ========================================================================== 3) Counterfactuals concerning the final: Just as the close outcome of the single SB2/SK1 game was overruled by evidence from other games, the ranking by infera of the number 1 and 2 teams isn't simply determined by the result of the "final" game that they play against each other. So people might be interested to know: What would have happened if the score in the final had been closer? I have plugged in a few alternative scores (the true score was UTI 15, RS 3) to see how big a win the finalists needed to guarantee the number 1 ranking. (RS went into the final with a slightly higher ranking than UTI, on the basis of the previous 35 games.) If the score had been UTI 15, RS 14 then the ranks would have come out: 1 RS 11.08 2 UTI 11.04 3 FT 10.82 4 M1 10.19 5 M2 10.14 6 SB2 9.68 7 SK1 9.52 8 SB1 9.18 9 SK2 8.35 So winning by one point would not have been enough for UTI to be ranked number 1 (though it must be emphasised that the difference between 11.08 and 11.04 is utterly tiny - and a sensible idea would be to have the option of calling the overall outcome a tie when the differences are so small relative to the remaining uncertainty). The critical score in this case is 15-13. If UTI won by more than two points, then they got the number 1 ranking from infera. We could ask, why this difference? Why did Red Shift come into the final with a head start in the rankings? There are two simple explanations: [i] UTI accidentally turned up late for their game with Mohawks 1, and generously conceded five points, making the final score 13-7 instead of 13-2. [ii] UTI played a friendly game with Skunks 2 (with Nick Haslam switching sides) which ended with a score of 8-2. If we 'correct' these two exceptional events, by entering the Mohawks game as a 13-2 result, and, say, omitting the UTI/Skunks2 game from the data, we find that it is now _UTI_ who enter the finals with the highest rank, and Red Shift would have had to beat them better than 15-13 for infera to be persuaded that Red Shift were the number 1 team. In conclusion, (1) I think infera worked just fine and gave rankings that made complete sense. I'll put in data from other tournaments if people send it to me in the right format. (2) When close hypothetical scores (eg 15-13 or 13-15) are put in for a game between two teams (eg the final), the outcomes of other games could sometimes overrule the outcome of that game. To ensure that these effects are not spurious, I would recommend that when infera is used, teams should not have penalties put onto their score for turning up late to games, or totally failing to show up; this mucking with the scores is the sort of thing which might on rare occasions cause infera to be confused. It should be easy to find other ways to penalise late teams, if necessary! Incidentally, I didn't include any penalties in the tournament rules, and almost all the games at the 97 Cambridge tournament ran on time. (3) It might be good to declare two teams to have equal rank, if their infera ratings are closer than, say 0.1. (4) If you have any comments on infera, I may well have responded to them already on the web pages I mentioned above. There is a huge number of ways you can use infera; for example, if you want to tell it only the win/lose/draw outcomes, instead of the actual scores, you may. My chief reason for recommending it is that allows you to choose arbitrary tournament formats no matter how many teams turn up and what games are played, and still easily get rankings out at the end of the day. But you could use it, for example, to rank teams in a long term league of several tournaments (even if some teams have attended different numbers of tournaments). Alternatively you could use infera to determine the number of tour points allocated to teams for their performance a tournament. Infera gives each team a rating such that teams judged to have been very close end up with similar ratings, and teams that are far better than the others get proportionally bigger ratings. Instead of using some arbitrary fixed numbers like 1st=200, 2nd=120, 3rd=80, the infera ratings would return numbers that reflect how close the number 2 team came to the number 1 team, etc. (C) ============== Scores ============================ Tournament schedule can be seen here: http://wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk/ultimate/schedule/9.html Here are the scores: # saturday nov 1 97 # RS 7 M1 3 RS 13 SB1 1 RS 8 FT 6 RS 9 M2 4 FT 13 SB1 3 SB1 11 SK2 4 UTI 13 SB1 3 SK2 2 M2 10 SB2 13 SK2 1 FT 13 SK2 0 UTI 13 M1 7 # note: M1 were given 5 points by UTI as an apology for being late M1 13 SB2 6 SB2 8 FT 10 SK1 6 SB2 5 SK1 6 M1 11 UTI 13 SK1 3 M2 13 SK1 4 UTI 13 M2 5 # sunday UTI 9 FT 5 RS 13 SB2 1 M2 8 SB1 0 M2 7 SB2 4 RS 13 SK2 3 M1 10 SB1 5 SK1 6 SB1 4 SK2 1 M1 9 RS 13 SK1 2 UTI 8 SK2 2 FT 13 M2 2 UTI 13 SB2 2 FT 13 M1 3 SK1 9 SK2 3 M1 8 M2 5 SB1 6 SB2 9 FT 13 SK1 5 # Final ( to 15 points ) UTI 15 RS 3 (D) ===================================================================== Photos ========================================================================= A few photos of fog, discs, teams and human pyramids are on the web here: http://wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk/ultimate/pics/seregs97/ ========================================================================== David J.C. MacKay email: mackay@mrao.cam.ac.uk www: http://wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk/mackay/ Cavendish Laboratory, tel: (01223) 339852 fax: 354599 home: 276411 Madingley Road, international code: +44 1223 Cambridge CB3 0HE. U.K. room: 982 Rutherford Building From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Nov 3 11:37:10 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA21305 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 11:28:29 GMT Received: from amsta.leeds.ac.uk (amsta.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA21290 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 11:28:25 GMT Received: from newton.leeds.amsta (newton.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.64]) by amsta.leeds.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA08246 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 11:28:51 GMT Received: by newton.leeds.amsta (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA04514; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 11:29:02 GMT Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 11:29:02 GMT From: amtsjh@amsta.leeds.ac.uk (S J Hill) Message-Id: <199711031129.LAA04514@newton.leeds.amsta> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: NORTH & MIDS X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk The 3rd BUF North and Midlands Outdoor Championships ---------------------------------------------------- 14 teams came to Adams Grammar School, Newport, Shropshire to contest the Regional Champs. We had beautidul weather all w/e and not a hint of a breeze! It was great to see the 'local' university teams bringing along their new players - and the host school fielding two teams: Sexy Motherhuckers and younger team Nads. The suprise(d) winners were 'Leeds Legends' (fielding players from 6 seperate years of intake at Leeds Uni Ultimate + Ivan 'he's not from Leeds, but he is a Legend' Brommage), who toppled the mighty Chevron in a close fought final. Fingers 6, (who've been quiet for a while - but no longer I suspect), beat Mud Culture to win the plate. (They left the field cheering something about a Manchester Double...) And not forgetting the irrepressible Superfly who ran away with the spirit (again). I think everyone had lots of fun, and its fair to say the tourney was a great success. Thanks very much to Rich Parkes for doing the lion's share of the work, and to Rowena for her help sorting out the fields at the school. No doubt the North&Mids Regional is a permanent fixture regardless of the tour, nationals or the weather! We need more, more, more tournaments of this size and seriousness going on all year - and they are so easy to organize! Final results: 1. Leeds Legends 2. Chevron Action Flash 3. Red 4. Sneeeky's I 5. Superfly (SOTG) 6. Whiplash (still looking for a new name I believe) 7. Purple Haze 8. Sexy Motherhuckers 9. Fingers 6 (Plate) 10. Mud Culture 11. Bears 12. Phat'Eds 13. Sneeeky's II 14. Nads Hopefully Lawrence (or someone) might send a more interestingly written report with a few more details here and there... Si From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Nov 3 17:07:06 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA22000 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 13:44:25 GMT Received: from smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk (smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk [193.114.232.66]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA21330 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 13:41:21 GMT From: Wayne_Retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk Received: from smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk (unverified [126.128.26.71]) by smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk (Integralis SMTPRS 2.04) with SMTP id ; Mon, 03 Nov 1997 13:39:42 +0000 Received: from ccMail by smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk (IMA Internet Exchange 2.1 Enterprise) id 0001393C; Mon, 3 Nov 97 13:43:27 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 13:39:01 +0000 Message-Id: <0001393C.004069@watsonwyatt.co.uk> Subject: This weekend... To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Whilst most of you were braving the weather outdoors, Fluid Druids went to Copenhagen and played Indoors (eeek!) at the Kong Volmer Cup Carnegie won Fenris 2nd (I assume, since they beat Druids in a semi!) Fluid Druids finished 3rd Fluid Druids won Spirit of the Game More later, maybe, from someone who went... Wayne Retter Fluid Druids at work: wayne_retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Nov 4 13:34:26 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA05716 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 13:05:55 GMT Received: from renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk (renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk [129.215.13.3]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA05704 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 13:05:51 GMT Received: from arran.sms.ed.ac.uk (arran.sms.ed.ac.uk [129.215.13.5]) by renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA00652 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 13:05:48 GMT Message-Id: <199711041305.NAA00652@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> Received: from SMS-ARRAN/SpoolDir by arran.sms.ed.ac.uk (Mercury 1.31); 4 Nov 97 13:05:49 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by SMS-ARRAN (Mercury 1.31); 4 Nov 97 13:05:35 +0000 From: "Possum" <9466830@arran.sms.ed.ac.uk> Organization: Student Mail Service To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 13:05:22 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Team time X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Here is the final list of teams that have entered the 6th Anniversary Edinburgh Beginners Tournament. Nice to see TWENTY FIVE teams coming along. Sounds like we've thrown down the gauntlet. Is the largest tournament in Great Britain? All details should be with you shortly, and available on the web in the next day or so: http://www.ed.ac.uk/~ultimate/beg1997.htm 1 Sneeeky's I 2 Sneeeky's II 3 Sneeeky's III 4 Stirling - Magnificent 7 5 Mynci See 6 Jedi I 7 Jedi II 8 Jedi III 9 Jedi IV 10 Loughborough - Purple Haze 11 Cranfield I - Alien Nation 12 Fingers 6 I 13 Fingers 6 II 14 Leicester I - Jesters 15 Leicester II - Jesters 16 Mud Culture I 17 Pookas/Sultans of Fling - Dublin 18 Hull 19 Dundee I - Shooting Stars 20 Dundee II - Shooting Stars 21 Strathclyde - The Source 22 Cranfield II - Smashing Rabbits 23 Mud Culture II 24 Mohawks - Brighton 25 St Andrews I - Flying Sourcers See you all soon Possum. Possum, Sneeeky's "Possum" * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Keep your smile on your face * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Nov 4 13:51:05 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA09007 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 13:22:07 GMT Received: from helium.btinternet.com (helium.btinternet.com [194.72.6.229]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA08953 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 13:21:51 GMT Received: from snow.btinternet.com [194.72.6.226] by helium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 1.70 #1) id 0xSj3u-0002nh-00; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 13:30:30 +0000 Received: from btinternet.com [195.99.46.73] by snow.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 1.70 #1) id 0xSiwZ-0007MK-00; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 13:22:56 +0000 Message-ID: To: britdisc MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mark Jefferson Date: Tue, 04 Nov 97 13:21:31 GMT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hello! Does anyone have, or know of the existence of, a fairly professional video of Ultimate or any other disc sport please? If you do, could you get in touch please - I could do with something in the very near future. Cheers for your help, Mark Jefferson. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Nov 4 14:03:46 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA13150 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 13:40:59 GMT Received: from monet.stdavids.ncr.com (h153-73-102-11.NCR.COM [153.73.102.11]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA12366 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 13:37:32 GMT Received: from dunfgate.stdavids.ncr.com (dunfgate.StDavids.NCR.COM [153.73.102.29]) by monet.stdavids.ncr.com (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA22073 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 14:49:35 GMT Received: by dunfgate.stdavids.ncr.com with Microsoft Mail id <345F9DB4@dunfgate.stdavids.ncr.com>; Tue, 04 Nov 97 14:12:04 PST From: "Grayson, David" To: britdisc Subject: Who cares if it's winter? Date: Tue, 04 Nov 97 13:35:00 PST Message-ID: <345F9DB4@dunfgate.stdavids.ncr.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Just when you thought it was safe to go back into indoors..... Announcing the inaugural Mad Culture "its not really cold - you're just a big jessie" outdoor hat tournament. Before you can say ooyabeanieitsfartoofuckincold, Mud Culture are aiming to host an outdoor hat tournament in the first weekend of December. The aim of this tournament is to introduce many new players to the excitement of a tournament as well as allowing them to play with many other players, and to prove that outdoors isn't restricted to purely April-October. Venue - Glasgow, Scotland, south of the arctic circle. More details to be announced later. Date - 6/7th December Cost - minimal Weather - Okay we admit it is likely to be on the colder side of warm but the ground should not be frozen yet and it's really a lot more fun to play in the rain anyway! (who can honestly say Ross-on-Wye was a nice temperature?). Remember - footballers play at this time of year, surely we can't be outdone? Accommodation - not camping. floor space would be provided (concession to indoor players). Format - it all depends on the level of interest really. In the words of a famous Mr. Man "Nothing is impossible, no such word for me". It may be one day followed by something dfferent on the Sunday, it may be a full blooded two day event, it all depends on what people want to do. Entertainment. - of course there will be (including the possibiliity of unofficial disc golf at 3a.m. (orange discs considered unwise). Reasons - It'll be a laugh. Ideal for beginners. Pressure free Ultimate. Fairly central for most teams in the UK. (ok that last one may be slightly controversial). This is really putting out feelers to find out if there would be any interest in such an event. Let me know if you would be interested. Dave. Mud Culture From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Nov 4 14:25:42 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA16569 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 13:55:46 GMT Received: from amsta.leeds.ac.uk (amsta.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA16355 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 13:54:50 GMT Received: from mobius.leeds.amsta (mobius.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.65]) by amsta.leeds.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA07313 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 13:55:16 GMT Received: by mobius.leeds.amsta (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id NAA14592; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 13:55:18 GMT Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 13:55:18 GMT From: amtsjh@amsta.leeds.ac.uk (S J Hill) Message-Id: <199711041355.NAA14592@mobius.leeds.amsta> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: North & Mids lost stuff... X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Some lost things from the N&M outdoors at the w/e... less than usual! -black adidas sweatshirt -blue tracksuit bottoms Does the fact that this is much smaller than most lost property lists indicate that a) us Up North are more intelligent than them Down South... ?? or 2) that us Up North are much poorer than them Down South and can't so many forgettable possessions ?? If this is your stuff let me know and I'll arrange for you to get it back. Thanks Si From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Nov 5 12:56:22 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA02891 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 12:25:33 GMT Received: from srv1.reelwest.bc.ca (srv1.reelwest.bc.ca [207.194.197.99]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA11042 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 18:00:38 GMT Received: from spatula (unverified [207.194.197.195]) by srv1.reelwest.bc.ca (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Tue, 04 Nov 1997 09:59:50 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971104100725.006b07cc@orca.bc.ca> X-Sender: spatula@orca.bc.ca X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 10:07:25 -0800 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: Ashela Webb Subject: survey Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Some people in B.C. (Canada) are getting together to put out a survey in hopes of lobbying more manufacturers to create actual ultimate wear (ie: cleats FOR ULTIMATE. etc.) If you could 'give us yer goods' and let us know what you like to wear and use (and abuse) on the ultimate or disc golf field, let us know!!! You can just email this back to the sender....THANK YOU Ashela Webb and Cosmo the dog What division do you play in? How old are you? (you can lie, or send pictures and we'll guess) What do you think is the most important aspect of an ultimate cleat? What are your favorite cleats (brand, type) for Summer? Winter? Fall? How many Discs do you buy a year? What type (and brand) of gloves do you use? What type of clothing do you wear for summer? Winter? Fall? Do you wear headgear (sunglasses, goggles, visors), What brand? What is your favorite brand of beer? Are there any special items you use for ultimate that are not mentioned here? From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Nov 5 12:58:16 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA04299 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 12:31:35 GMT Received: from mercury.king.ac.uk (mercury.king.ac.uk [141.241.4.24]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id RAA02562 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 17:15:00 GMT Received: from bob.king.ac.uk by mercury.king.ac.uk with SMTP (MMTA 2) with ESMTP; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 17:12:27 +0000 Received: from BOB/SpoolDir by bob.king.ac.uk (Mercury 1.32); 4 Nov 97 17:13:29 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by BOB (Mercury 1.32); 4 Nov 97 17:13:27 +0000 From: Colin Smith Organization: Kingston University To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 17:13:20 +0000 Subject: Two things X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.54) Message-ID: Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Firstly, does anyone know who if anyone is organising the Village People indoors at the end of the month? If you do, or are organising it yourself, please get in touch - I want to put in a team. Secondly, I'm planning to start up a new university team at Kingston Uni. Are there any packs that the BUF put out for starter teams? Cheers Colin From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Nov 5 14:35:53 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA23550 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 13:47:47 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA23432 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 13:47:13 GMT Received: from ultimatum.demon.co.uk ([158.152.203.174]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa2025863; 5 Nov 97 13:29 GMT Subject: Village Indoor Tournament Date: Wed, 5 Nov 97 13:32:33 +0000 x-sender: ultimatum@pop3.demon.co.uk x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: Paul Hurt To: Colin Smith cc: BritDisc Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Message-ID: <878736594.2025863.0@ultimatum.demon.co.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi Colin Hi BritDisc people Okay, I should probably explain what's happening. The Village Indoors takes place on the 29th and 30th of November. We have only the one hall and so to give everyone a reasonable amount of playing time we've had to restrict it to twelve teams. Plans for a Village tournament have been kicking around for about a year, when our esteemed leader, Stu Clark, suggested that it really was about time we organised an event to say thank you to all those teams which have invited us to their tournaments each year. So the Village Indoors is, for the time being, invitation only. To fill the tournament up and overlook those teams we "owe" a tournament to would be criminal, and we would deserve to get our heads kicked in by those teams. Invitations have gone out. If the tournament is not full by the middle of next week then we will happily extend the invitation to all and sundry. More invitations have gone out than there are slots available, so even if you're invited, it's no *guarantee* that you'll get in. It's been terribly hard to decide who to invite - there are so many teams and players out there who've become really good friends, we'd like to be able to invite everyone. But sadly there's no way we can do it. Time was when you could throw a twelve-team tournament and have trouble filling it. How things change. It's all good though. Further evidence that we need more tournaments, I think. Paul Hurt, Village And yes, I'm Village Indoors TD. Rumours of the death of indoor Ultimate have, evidently, been greatly exaggerated. ---------------------------------------------- Paul Hurt paul@ultimatum.demon.co.uk mobile: 0370 918719 From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Nov 5 14:36:42 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA22442 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 13:42:18 GMT Received: from monsoon.dial.pipex.net (monsoon.dial.pipex.net [158.43.128.69]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA22264 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 13:41:27 GMT Message-Id: <199711051341.NAA22264@pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Received: (qmail 29720 invoked from network); 5 Nov 1997 13:41:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO richard) (193.129.5.71) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 5 Nov 1997 13:41:22 -0000 From: "Richard Clegg" To: Cc: <9466830@arran.sms.ed.ac.uk>, Subject: Edinburgh Beginners Tournament (Update) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 13:43:15 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk For those of you coming up to Edinburgh this weekend, the Sneeeky's Website has been updated with more information about the tournament, including directions of how to find us on Friday night, the schedule for Saturday and Sunday, and the list of teams entered. The website is at http://www.ed.ac.uk/~ultimate/ or you can go straight to the relevant page at http://www.ed.ac.uk/~ultimate/beg1997.htm Cheers, Scuttler. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Nov 5 23:42:34 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id XAA26625 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 23:18:00 GMT Received: from pluto.open.ac.uk (pluto.open.ac.uk [137.108.143.4]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA26618 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 23:17:58 GMT Received: from acsfc-mail (actually host acsfc-mail.open.ac.uk) by pluto with SMTP Local (PP); Wed, 5 Nov 1997 23:17:43 +0000 From: wmd4@student.open.ac.uk (Wayne Davey) To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 21:45:49 +0100 Subject: Daytime TV Star Message-ID: Organization: Open University MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-ID: X-Gateway: NASTA Gate 1.18 for FirstClass(R) Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk If you've got nothing better to do on Friday, you could see how I got on on 15-1 (Channel 4 4pm) Wayne Davey UTI From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Nov 6 09:01:49 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id IAA27520 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 08:38:53 GMT Received: from gatekeeper.cmht.nwest.nhs.uk (gatekeeper.cmht.nwest.nhs.uk [193.60.159.61]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id IAA27514 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 08:38:51 GMT Received: by gatekeeper.cmht.nwest.nhs.uk; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA04735; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 08:40:09 GMT Received: from pers.cmht.nwest.nhs.uk by mar003.cmht.nwest.nhs.uk; (5.65/1.1.8.2/10May96-0400PM) id AA27314; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 08:38:03 GMT Received: from MRI_PERS/SpoolDir by pers.cmht.nwest.nhs.uk (Mercury 1.21); 6 Nov 97 08:37:10 BST Received: from SpoolDir by MRI_PERS (Mercury 1.21); 6 Nov 97 08:36:43 BST From: "Harry Golby" Organization: Central Manchester Healthcare Trust To: wmd4@student.open.ac.uk (Wayne Davey) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 08:36:42 BST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Daytime TV Star Cc: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.53/R1) Message-Id: Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Wayne, Congratulations on getting onto 15-1. If my memory serves me correctly, you are following a tradition of Ultimate players who make it onto that quiz show. The last was Ruraidhi (is that how he spells it?) who I'm sure you remember fondly from Warwick. Its great to see you follow in the footsteps of such a legend... I think he got one question right before being knocked out - did you do any better? Harry Chevvy From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Nov 6 09:27:53 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id JAA01807 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 09:14:12 GMT Received: from ghwerig.mmu.ac.uk (ghwerig.mmu.ac.uk [149.170.190.136]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA01748 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 09:13:48 GMT Received: from yorktown.mmu.ac.uk [149.170.132.252] by ghwerig.mmu.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.70 #1) id 0xTO0N-00074c-00; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 09:13:35 +0000 Received: from MMU-HOL-YORKTOWN/SpoolDir by yorktown.mmu.ac.uk (Mercury 1.31); 6 Nov 97 09:13:48 GMT Received: from SpoolDir by MMU-HOL-YORKTOWN (Mercury 1.31); 6 Nov 97 09:13:47 GMT From: "Lawrence PAULSON" Organization: Manchester Metropolitan University To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 09:13:46 +GMT Subject: Re: 15 to 1 X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <5D1C6F36DA3@yorktown.mmu.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Dear All, Further to the recent mailings, our very own Ian Cuddihy is due to film his 15-to-1 appearance in the new year (I think). Could we start some sort of league table of team 15-1 appearances, with bonus points for getting through to the final round (just so that Ultiamate gets a mention in the intro they give to the final round players). Love n Luck, Lawrence Fingers 6 (still!) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Nov 6 17:00:52 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA22837 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 16:10:07 GMT Received: from pluto.open.ac.uk (pluto.open.ac.uk [137.108.143.4]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA22493 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 16:08:36 GMT Received: from acsfc-mail (actually host acsfc-mail.open.ac.uk) by pluto with SMTP Local (PP); Thu, 6 Nov 1997 16:08:04 +0000 From: wmd4@student.open.ac.uk (Wayne Davey) To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 14:33:35 +0100 Subject: NATIONAL INDOORS 98 Message-ID: Organization: Open University MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-ID: X-Gateway: NASTA Gate 1.18 for FirstClass(R) Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk 1998 NATIONAL INDOORS ===================== Date: 28/2-31/3 1998 Venue: Bids needed NOW Regional qualifiers will be held ideally on 14-15 Feb (although see Northern date below). Bids are urgently needed for the qualifiers. Ideally each of the following areas will have a qualifier: Scotland North Midlands London + SE South West So far a Northern qualifier is proposed for Leeds on 31/1-1/2. (which clashes with Newport). If you play on a Northern team and have a BIG problem with this then either mail me or phone me (01225-462212) AS SOON AS POSSIBLE as this date will be fixed VERY soon. OTHER REGIONS ============= Bids needed now. Most regions will have about 12 - 20 teams so you can probably get away with one sports hall to hold a qualifier. Please mail me very soon if you can hold one of these events. FINALS ====== A larger venue is needed for the finals as there will be 24 teams and (hopefully) some longer games. The last few years have been at 1997 Edinburgh 1996 Manchester 1995 Leicester 1994 Plymouth 1993 Oxford (?) 1992 Oxford If you want to hold this tournament for the first time or can hold it again then TELL ME NOW. Thanks Wayne Davey UTI From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Nov 7 10:22:11 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id JAA07502 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 09:54:19 GMT Received: from stpeters.zynet.co.uk (qmailr@stpeters.zynet.co.uk [194.154.162.135]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA07483 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 09:54:12 GMT Message-Id: <199711070954.JAA07483@pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Received: (qmail 5977 invoked from network); 7 Nov 1997 09:53:30 -0000 Received: from mailserver.aun.stpeters (HELO 1.0.128.200) (1.0.128.200) by stpeters.zynet.co.uk with SMTP; 7 Nov 1997 09:53:29 -0000 From: ruffp@stpeters.zynet.co.uk (Paul RUFF) To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: 07 Nov 1997 10:52:37 GMT Subject: Kids teams in the south west MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: InterTalk Client 2.50 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Dear anyone, An Ultimate team has started at St. Peters High school in Exeter. I have a maximum of 35 turn up twice a week (average number of 28). The kids really enjoy playing (year 8's (12 year old's)) but as you can imagine are desperate for competition against other teams. We've been playing for about 10 weeks now and I'm afraid that many kids will drop out if we can't ever play competitive games. Of course we have a mini league within the school but I don't think thats going to be enough. Help. Are there any kids teams within our area that will give us a game. If it's such a great sport (which it is) how come only a few schools play it. And how come everything seems to happen in Scotland and nothing happens in the South West? Yours in charge of 35 disc mad children Paul Ruff (Teacher of PE) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Nov 7 11:43:02 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA21372 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 11:18:58 GMT From: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Received: from shrimp.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (root@shrimp [137.205.227.130]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA21354 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 11:18:54 GMT Received: from guardian.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (root@guardian [137.205.224.93]) by src.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA07937 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 10:27:19 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by guardian.dcs.warwick.ac.uk; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 10:27:35 GMT Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA15101; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 10:27:34 GMT Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 10:27:34 GMT Message-Id: <199711071027.KAA15101@pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk> To: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Subject: BOUNCE britdisc@warwick.ac.uk: Admin request: /^subject:\s*help\b/i Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk >From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Nov 7 10:27:31 1997 Received: from hermes.dur.ac.uk (hermes.dur.ac.uk [129.234.4.9]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA15092 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 10:27:30 GMT Received: from venus.dur.ac.uk by hermes.dur.ac.uk id (8.8.7/ for dur.ac.uk) with ESMTP; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 10:27:27 GMT Received: from vega by venus.dur.ac.uk id ; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 10:27:24 GMT Message-ID: <3462EB80.5B6B@smtphost.dur.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 10:20:48 +0000 From: Charmeyne Reply-To: C.C.K.McCollin@durham.ac.uk X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Help - I guess Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi to all students (and anyone else that wants to offer their services), My name is Charmeyne and I am at Durham Uni. I just thought that I should get the introductory stuuf out of the way. Anyway, we have been playing a bit of Ultimate (obviously just among ourselves) since last term. We finally put our proposal to our Athletic Union yesterday to get ourselves affiliated to them and we're waiting for te results of that. What I'm actually writing for is to ask from feedback from other teams to see how thind were when your teams first started and how to got people interested etc. Basically we have to show the Union that we want to be taken seriously and I just need a little help in how to get the people to back me up. My e-mail address is C.C.K.McCollin@durham.ac.uk so if you have anything at all that you think would be able to help me then I would be really grateful. Thanks loads. Charmeyne. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Nov 7 16:50:39 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA01529 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 16:30:00 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.154]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id QAA01511 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 16:29:55 GMT Received: from rfeltham.demon.co.uk ([194.222.105.80]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa1020392; 7 Nov 97 16:20 GMT Message-ID: Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 16:17:58 +0000 To: Britdisc From: Andrew Feltham Subject: Hurricane Contact MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Version 3.03a Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk I am hoping this will reach the right person who deals with the change of contact addreses because Hurricane have changed theirs. The new contact details are as follows: Liz Hewitt 94 Howard Drive Letchworth Herts tel : 01462 676038 fax : 01462 486287 e - mail : andrew@rfeltham.demon.co.uk (Andrew Feltham) -- Andrew Feltham From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Nov 7 18:38:52 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA02426 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 15:45:02 GMT Received: from clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@clover-fddi [137.205.4.2]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA02411 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 15:44:59 GMT Received: from irwell.zetnet.co.uk (root@irwell.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.47.48]) by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA20360 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 14:55:45 GMT Received: from deansgate.zetnet.co.uk (deansgate.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.47.23]) by irwell.zetnet.co.uk (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA30540; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 14:52:04 GMT X-ZSender: t.green@zetnet.co.uk Message-ID: <1997110716151874146@zetnet.co.uk> Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 16:15:18 GMT To: eurodisc@ira.uka.de, britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: Toby Green X-Mailer: ZIMACS Version 1.20c 10003244 Subject: British Open at Whitcombe Farm Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk This is very brief announcement. More details will follow. WHITCOMBE FARM DISC GOLF TOURNAMENTS FROSTBREAKER - February 28th/March 1st 1998 BRITISH OPEN - July 18th/19th 1998 The British Open is both a British Tour and Euro Tour event. Attempts to build a Whitcombe Farm disc golf web site are about to be made! Toby ps- Good luck to all at the Essex Matchplay this weekend! From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Nov 7 18:50:45 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA21372 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 11:18:58 GMT From: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Received: from shrimp.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (root@shrimp [137.205.227.130]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA21354 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 11:18:54 GMT Received: from guardian.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (root@guardian [137.205.224.93]) by src.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA07937 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 10:27:19 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by guardian.dcs.warwick.ac.uk; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 10:27:35 GMT Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA15101; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 10:27:34 GMT Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 10:27:34 GMT Message-Id: <199711071027.KAA15101@pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk> To: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Subject: BOUNCE britdisc@warwick.ac.uk: Admin request: /^subject:\s*help\b/i Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk >From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Nov 7 10:27:31 1997 Received: from hermes.dur.ac.uk (hermes.dur.ac.uk [129.234.4.9]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA15092 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 10:27:30 GMT Received: from venus.dur.ac.uk by hermes.dur.ac.uk id (8.8.7/ for dur.ac.uk) with ESMTP; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 10:27:27 GMT Received: from vega by venus.dur.ac.uk id ; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 10:27:24 GMT Message-ID: <3462EB80.5B6B@smtphost.dur.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 10:20:48 +0000 From: Charmeyne Reply-To: C.C.K.McCollin@durham.ac.uk X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Help - I guess Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi to all students (and anyone else that wants to offer their services), My name is Charmeyne and I am at Durham Uni. I just thought that I should get the introductory stuuf out of the way. Anyway, we have been playing a bit of Ultimate (obviously just among ourselves) since last term. We finally put our proposal to our Athletic Union yesterday to get ourselves affiliated to them and we're waiting for te results of that. What I'm actually writing for is to ask from feedback from other teams to see how thind were when your teams first started and how to got people interested etc. Basically we have to show the Union that we want to be taken seriously and I just need a little help in how to get the people to back me up. My e-mail address is C.C.K.McCollin@durham.ac.uk so if you have anything at all that you think would be able to help me then I would be really grateful. Thanks loads. Charmeyne. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Nov 7 18:51:33 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA04776 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 15:56:26 GMT Received: from clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@clover-fddi [137.205.4.2]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA04764 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 15:56:23 GMT Received: from pluto.open.ac.uk (pluto.open.ac.uk [137.108.143.4]) by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA19545 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 14:44:43 GMT Received: from acsfc-mail (actually host acsfc-mail.open.ac.uk) by pluto with SMTP Local (PP); Fri, 7 Nov 1997 14:40:03 +0000 From: wmd4@student.open.ac.uk (Wayne Davey) To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 13:34:11 +0100 Subject: GB MASTERS Message-ID: Organization: Open University MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-ID: X-Gateway: NASTA Gate 1.18 for FirstClass(R) Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk GB MASTERS ========== First practice will be Sunday 7 December at 11am at Warwick University (in Coventry). Future practices will probably be: Sun 11 Jan Sun 8 Feb Sun 8 Mar On the 6 December we will also have an unofficial practice session with the current Warwick Bears side for anyone who wants to turn up for the weekend. WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS =================== The aim of the practice and selection sessions will be to prepare a team capable of achieving BIG THINGS at next years world championships in Minneapolis. In Sweden last year GB reached the semi finals, so to improve everyone will have to work hard. If you were born in 1968 or earlier you will be eligible. See you at Warwick in December (until then, get training!) Wayne Davey wmd4@student.open.ac.uk NB Please pass this message on to any Masters players in your team. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Nov 10 11:15:29 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA08272 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 10:32:23 GMT Received: from arl-img-5.compuserve.com (arl-img-5.compuserve.com [149.174.217.135]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA08260 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 10:32:19 GMT Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by arl-img-5.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/2.8) id FAA17780 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 05:31:47 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 05:31:19 -0500 From: Andy Hughes Subject: W'ton Old People To: britdisc Message-ID: <199711100531_MC2-279E-3196@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id KAA08264 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Yes it's upon us you ex-Wolves types . . . the annual celebratory weekend commemorating eighteen years (count 'em) of disc sport in Wolves. I've heard we'll be swamped with players old and new. If you've ever pulled on a Reject shirt you'll be most welcome. Do your bit; show your face; no excuses . . . See you Friday in the Newhampton from 7.00 - or in West Park on Saturday from 11.00 BE THERE (or be somewhere else) Andy From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Nov 10 19:28:07 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA20024 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 18:30:08 GMT Received: from wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk (bee.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk [131.111.48.99]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA19783 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 18:29:10 GMT Received: by wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk (UK-Smail 3.1.25.1/15) id ; Mon, 10 Nov 97 18:28 GMT Message-Id: Date: Mon, 10 Nov 97 18:28 GMT From: mackay@mrao.cam.ac.uk (David J.C. MacKay) To: andrew.kayley@soton.sc.philips.com, bikos@teaching.physics.ox.ac.uk, britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk, david.whitehead@gs.com, frisbee@mrao.cam.ac.uk, kevinbr@epunix.susx.ac.uk, patrick.winser@merchants.co.uk, trovelld@ddbn.geis.com, tww93si@soton.ac.uk, yue_wu@il.us.swissbank.com Subject: SE players: quite important - regionals lost property Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk dear SE britdisc people FIRSTLY The rugby club where we had the tournament on Nov 1 (saturday) are a bit unhappy because some rugby people's property went missing, namely one pair adidas boots and one pair of adidas trousers, and they think that an ultimate player may have taken this by accident. Can anyone help? In particlar, please could Patch Winser and Red Shift contact me to confirm whether they know anything about this? - I believe Red Shift picked up Patch's bag for him on Nov 2 so maybe they picked up the wrong stuff? SECONDLY I have unclaimed lost property still. White v-neck Tshirt GreyTshirt with FORCE on it in blue Large black spalding trousers with zippable ankles. black woollen hat Quiksilver black gloves north cape polypropylene knee brace blue and red (is this first touch?) ron hill blue with yellow stripe white t shirt with Squaddie pictures on it. KEY on a chain with St Marys Ulverston pendant. This is the last call for people to claim it. In two weeks I will give it all away. David ========================================================================== David J.C. MacKay email: mackay@mrao.cam.ac.uk www: http://wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk/mackay/ Cavendish Laboratory, tel: (01223) 339852 fax: 354599 home: 276411 Madingley Road, international code: +44 1223 Cambridge CB3 0HE. U.K. room: 982 Rutherford Building ------------ At Newton Inst: 330536 ------------- From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Nov 11 01:04:53 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id AAA06156 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 00:42:45 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.154]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id AAA06138 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 00:42:34 GMT Received: from ultimatum.demon.co.uk ([158.152.203.174]) by post.mail.demon.net id ab1022355; 11 Nov 97 0:32 GMT Subject: Village Tournament is full Date: Tue, 11 Nov 97 00:35:17 +0000 x-sender: ultimatum@pop3.demon.co.uk x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: Paul Hurt To: BritDisc Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Message-ID: <879208349.1022355.0@ultimatum.demon.co.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi folks I'm afraid to say, the Village Indoors is full. My apologies if anyone feels left out - we tried to be as fair about the whole thing as possible, but I had teams breaking down my door to play, and it was inevitable that we were going to have to disappoint some people. To confirm, the teams that are in are (in no particular order): Village Trinity Juniors UTI Mr. Men Chineapple Punks Ian Stebbing's lot Mohawks Slow White Lurkers Chaos Blue Arse Flies Playthings "South Coast Women" (my temporary name for you) Whiplash and there is already a waiting list in case any of the above teams have to drop out. Further details (including maps and stuff) will be going out in the next couple of days. There will also be info on the web. Contrary to popular belief, a lot of people seem to actually WANT to play indoors. While I'm not looking to start up the old "indoors v outdoors" argument again, it would appear that we could do with some more indoor tournaments... See you soon Paul --------------------------------------------------- Paul Hurt, Village People Ultimate Team paul@ultimatum.demon.co.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Nov 11 09:54:48 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id JAA08834 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 09:29:29 GMT Received: from beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk (beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.129.138]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA08828 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 09:29:28 GMT From: P.H.Schuricht@soton.ac.uk Received: from oak.sucs.soton.ac.uk (oak.sucs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.128.89]) by beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.5/server) with ESMTP id JAA10981 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 09:29:27 GMT Received: (from phs@localhost) by oak.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.5/client) id JAA04781 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 09:29:26 GMT Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 09:29:26 GMT Message-Id: <199711110929.JAA04781@oak.sucs.soton.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: indoor tourneys X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk > Paul Hurt wrote: > > Contrary to popular belief, a lot of people seem to actually WANT to play > indoors. While I'm not looking to start up the old "indoors v outdoors" > argument again, it would appear that we could do with some more indoor > tournaments... > Just to let everyone know, the southampton indoors is happening again this year. It is on the 20-21 Dec. The Skunks are sorting out invites at the moment, so they should be sent out soon. In common with the Village tourney, places are limited, so reply quick. Paul From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Nov 11 10:50:58 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA20767 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 10:27:32 GMT Received: from smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk (smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk [193.114.232.66]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA20755 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 10:27:29 GMT From: Wayne_Retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk Received: from smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk (unverified [126.128.26.71]) by smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk (Integralis SMTPRS 2.04) with SMTP id ; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 10:25:50 +0000 Received: from ccMail by smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk (IMA Internet Exchange 2.1 Enterprise) id 00014FA6; Tue, 11 Nov 97 10:29:39 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 10:25:46 +0000 Message-Id: <00014FA6.004069@watsonwyatt.co.uk> Subject: indoor tourneys - more To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk, P.H.Schuricht@soton.ac.uk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Paul Hurt wrote: > ...it would appear that we could do with some more indoor > tournaments... Paul 'Sonic' Schuricht wrote: > Just to let everyone know, the southampton indoors is happening again > this year. It is on the 20-21 Dec. Here's my bit: The Newport Indoor Tournament will be happening again on 31 January and 1 February 1998. Invitations are written, but need photocopying and posting... Then we'd like to sort it all out BEFORE CHRISTMAS! more info at http://www.phidelta.demon.co.uk/fluiddruids/newport98/ Wayne Retter Fluid Druids druid@phidelta.demon.co.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Nov 12 15:12:02 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA29686 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 14:45:24 GMT Received: from clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@clover-fddi [137.205.4.2]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA22311 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 18:41:56 GMT Received: from mail2.lancs.ac.uk (mail2.lancs.ac.uk [148.88.8.13]) by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id RAA15094 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 17:46:11 GMT Received: from unixa.lancs.ac.uk by mail2.lancs.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Tue, 11 Nov 1997 17:02:33 +0000 Received: (from lohman@localhost) by unixa.lancs.ac.uk (8.8.4/8.6.12) id RAA26150; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 17:02:20 GMT Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 17:02:19 +0000 (GMT) From: Storm Logan To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Northern Student Indoor Date Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk The date for the Northern Student Indoor Champs has changed to : December 6th and 7th. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Nov 12 17:36:38 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA09639 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 17:08:37 GMT Received: from mail2.lancs.ac.uk (mail2.lancs.ac.uk [148.88.8.13]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id QAA11060 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 16:59:36 GMT Received: from unixa.lancs.ac.uk by mail2.lancs.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Tue, 11 Nov 1997 16:51:40 +0000 Received: (from ultimate@localhost) by unixa.lancs.ac.uk (8.8.4/8.6.12) id QAA24112; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 16:51:31 GMT Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 16:51:30 +0000 (GMT) From: ULTIMATE To: britdisc Subject: Northern Student Indoor Champs at LANCASTER Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Update : date has changed from 29 & 30 of November to the next weekend the - 6th & 7th of December Sorry for any inconvenience this may cause. If you are in the Northern Region or would simply like to attend and have not recieved the invitational e-mail read on. g'day yee northerners. A short message inviting you all down to lancaster to partake in the 1997 Northern indoor Champs. Official invites are in the post and shall be on your doorstep promptly. As allways quick return is needed to ensure you can have as many teams as you want entered. As yet there is no limit as we like to think we can handle anything but this will change soon enough. We are sending out invites to open teams at the end of this week to fill in any spare spaces to give me a mail a.s.a.p telling me how many places you want and roughly how many people you expect to bring down. Basically the tournament is as follows : Date : 6th & 7th of December - Sorry for change Location : Salt Ayre Sports Centre, Lancaster - Sunday last year. Transport : free luxury coach there and back on both days if needed. Time : 10:30 Accomodation : 3 star Lecture Theatre floors - ensuite bar Party : free transport to Morecombe club - 2 way At stake : Chance to Qualify for the Nationals and become instant celebrities. Cost : 70 pounds More information will be sent out on receit of cheques and return slips. Parental admission slips optional. Any questions/suggestions gratefully accepted. One cheque per team not neccesary. Cheques made payable to LUFC can be sent to the address below. Hope to hear from you soon, Cheers, Shaun (Mr Sole) -------------------------------------- Reservoir Fish - Ultimate at Lancaster Frisbee Club Athletics Union Lancaster University Lancaster LA1 4YZ e-mail : s.lohman@lancaster.ac.uk tel : 01524 847230 ------------------------------------- From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Nov 12 18:45:13 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA11251 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 17:15:23 GMT Received: from renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk (renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk [129.215.13.3]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA11416 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 17:01:06 GMT From: 9550732@eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk Received: from eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk (eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk [129.215.13.1]) by renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA13643 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 17:01:03 GMT Received: from SMS-EIGG/SpoolDir by eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk (Mercury 1.31); 11 Nov 97 17:01:03 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by SMS-EIGG (Mercury 1.31); 11 Nov 97 17:00:54 +0000 To: Britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 17:03:54 +0000 Subject: Scottish League X-mailer: Pegasus Mail/Mac (v2.2.1) Message-ID: <353FBF9206D@eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Dear All REF SCOTTISH LEAGUE BEGINNER TOURNAMENT REPORT TOMMORROW OR LATER ON TODAY Deatils of scottish league After our meeting on saturday I promised a scedule and here it is. You will see it is not complete as yet but gives you the first 6 games which should lead you all into the new year and a little bit beyond. As agreed the first game will be sceduled for next wedensday but as disccused if a team can't do that then phone the captain concerned and rearrange a date suitable for everyone. With 6 teams entered One from each uni concerned some games may have to be played one week after the next but not too many. At the end we can all get togther for a tournament and finsish off any games if need be. The phone numbers of each captain I will get to you asap, can someone from each club please email me back stating their contact person (address, phone email fax) for the league. A club may not want it to be the BUF contact for instance. The scores of each game should be emailed to me asap after the game so that a good up date of the league can be kept. I am planning on keeping this on the sneeeky's web page WWW.ed.ac.uk/^ultimate. Play should be upto 21 and if time a hat game at the end has been suggested which may add to it all. The order of play First team mentioned plays home second away Although the first game is not far Away I hope the rest have been given plenty of notice, you will all play home and away. A perfect pitch is not required. Cones in the corners will do. wed 19th Nov Edinburgh Vs St Andrews Stirling vs Dundee Srathclyde Vs Glasgow 3rd December St Andrews vs Stirling Glasgow Vs Edinburgh Dundee vs Srathclyde Exam leave new year 22 jan Ed vs Dundee Strathclyde vs St Andrews Stirling** Vs Glasgow Stirling may not be back by 22nd check 4th Feb Stirling Vs Edin St Andrews vs Dundee Glasgow Vs Strathclyde 18th Feb Stirling vs Srathclyde Dundee vs Glasgow St Andrews VS Edinburgh 4th March Edinburgh vs Strathclyde Glasgow vs St Andrews Dundee vs Stirling and thats it for now but there will be a up date b4 march Remember get your contact or any one to mail me back asap james S J.a.Spicer@sms.ed.ac.uk Edinburgh University Ultimate Frisbee Club (Sneeekys) on the net at: http://www.ed.ac.uk/~ultimate/ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Nov 12 20:15:37 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id TAA08179 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 19:57:53 GMT Received: from renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk (renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk [129.215.13.3]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA08156 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 19:57:47 GMT Received: from eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk (eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk [129.215.13.1]) by renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA12815 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 19:57:44 GMT Message-Id: <199711121957.TAA12815@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> Received: from SMS-EIGG/SpoolDir by eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk (Mercury 1.31); 12 Nov 97 19:57:44 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by SMS-EIGG (Mercury 1.31); 12 Nov 97 19:57:36 +0000 From: "James Spicer" <9550732@eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk> To: Britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 19:57:34 +0000 Subject: Beginners report X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Dear All Here is the run down of the weekend in Edinburgh Friday A lovely pub another of those Firkin ones and all teams met and found there respective hosts. Day one of playing went as per usual with all pool and x overs being 13 minutes long and everything going to scedule. Then for the serious side of any beginners tournament in Edinburgh--- Drinking The party some distance away meant that buses were needed to take the hoards down there, if you didn't have a ticket you didn't get on. I think for many that is where the real party started. As you walked in that was it, no beginning of party starts everyone was in there straight away, doing the party thing. Although later the normal tops off and body surfing was done by most concerned. This year saw a first with the tops situation, women taking a semi pluge into what has been quite a male thing for the last two years at least. Any way everyone found the way home and after second days play Games 25 minutes long, 8 teams playinjg for the cup, next 8 for the plate and bottom 9 a round robin for the spoon the f inal results were Pookas (cup) Munci See Sneeeky's 1 Sneeeky's 3 Jedi 1 Cranfield 2 Purple HAze Sneeeky's 2 St Andrews (Plate) Hull Dundee 2 F6 1 Jesters 1 F6 2 Jedi 3 The Source (Strathcldye) Jedi 2 (spoon) Magnifcant 7 Cranfield 1 Dundee 1 Mud 1 Mud 2 Mohawks Jedi 4 Jesters 2 Spirit Mohawks Party Prize Jedi (again) Layout Some Alaskan bloke Hat Some bloke from Mohawks Sharking: Some aussi topless jedi Bird Thanks for a great tournament, hope a good time was enjoyed by all and I will see you all next year cheers for now James J.a.Spicer@sms.ed.ac.uk Edinburgh University Ultimate Frisbee Club (Sneeekys) on the net at: http://www.ed.ac.uk/~ultimate/ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Nov 14 03:19:26 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA20767 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 10:27:32 GMT Received: from smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk (smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk [193.114.232.66]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA20755 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 10:27:29 GMT From: Wayne_Retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk Received: from smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk (unverified [126.128.26.71]) by smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk (Integralis SMTPRS 2.04) with SMTP id ; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 10:25:50 +0000 Received: from ccMail by smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk (IMA Internet Exchange 2.1 Enterprise) id 00014FA6; Tue, 11 Nov 97 10:29:39 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 10:25:46 +0000 Message-Id: <00014FA6.004069@watsonwyatt.co.uk> Subject: indoor tourneys - more To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk, P.H.Schuricht@soton.ac.uk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Paul Hurt wrote: > ...it would appear that we could do with some more indoor > tournaments... Paul 'Sonic' Schuricht wrote: > Just to let everyone know, the southampton indoors is happening again > this year. It is on the 20-21 Dec. Here's my bit: The Newport Indoor Tournament will be happening again on 31 January and 1 February 1998. Invitations are written, but need photocopying and posting... Then we'd like to sort it all out BEFORE CHRISTMAS! more info at http://www.phidelta.demon.co.uk/fluiddruids/newport98/ Wayne Retter Fluid Druids druid@phidelta.demon.co.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Nov 17 10:51:51 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA09436 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 10:20:20 GMT Received: from monet.stdavids.ncr.com (h153-73-102-11.NCR.COM [153.73.102.11]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA09394 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 10:20:07 GMT Received: from dunfgate.stdavids.ncr.com (dunfgate.StDavids.NCR.COM [153.73.102.29]) by monet.stdavids.ncr.com (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA06636 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 11:32:38 GMT Received: by dunfgate.stdavids.ncr.com with Microsoft Mail id <347092D7@dunfgate.stdavids.ncr.com>; Mon, 17 Nov 97 10:54:15 PST From: "Grayson, David" To: britdisc Subject: Glasgow Hat - POSTPONED Date: Mon, 17 Nov 97 10:17:00 PST Message-ID: <347092D7@dunfgate.stdavids.ncr.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Unfortunately due to other tournaments changing beyond our control (Northern Students) we can no longer hold the Mud Culture Outdoor hat tournament in December as no other dates were suitable. Consequently this tournament will now be seeking to be played in JANUARY - which will be even better because it proves we are not just hard but WELL HARD!!!! More details will follow once we find a date for that but thanks to all the people who said they would support the tournament before, we apologise once more but it couldn't be helped - pitches are hard to get hold of in Glasgow. Just means we'll have more time to organise an even better tournament. Dave. Mud Culture. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Nov 17 11:08:15 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA12505 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 10:38:50 GMT Received: from firewall2.Lehman.COM (firewall.Lehman.COM [192.147.65.67]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA12291 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 10:37:22 GMT Received: from relay.messaging-svcs2.lehman.com by firewall2.Lehman.COM (8.8.6/8.6.12) id FAA16502; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 05:37:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from london123.lehman.com by relay.messaging-svcs2.lehman.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA27169; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 05:36:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from london123 (localhost) by london123.lehman.com (4.1/Lehman Bros. V1.6) id AA09506; Mon, 17 Nov 97 10:34:22 GMT Message-Id: <34701DAE.2781E494@lehman.com> Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 10:34:22 +0000 From: Aram Flores Organization: Lehman Brothers, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (X11; I; SunOS 4.1.3 sun4m) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Cc: Andy Lucey , Aram Flores , Christian Nistri , Douglas Milne , Ed Pizey , Garrett Crosbie , Guy Bowles , Jonathan Schofield , Mark Perryman , Neil Haliday , Nicholas Haslam , Nick Cash , Nolan Taylor , Ollie Watson , Oz Freire , Pete Harvey , Rafi Freire , Roger Thomson , "S.R.X.Dall" , Simon Moore , Steve Young Subject: Gun Savage 7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Just a quick note to thank everyone who came to our little Savage 7 tourney - which by some miracle attracted exactly 28 players. We formed four teams (picked from three hats which were adjusted for experience) and played three games to 15 on the lovely soft turf at Wandsworth Common. The honors ended up being fairly well split with three teams going 2&1 and one team losing all its games. The caliber of play was quite high (especially given that we are now firmly in the off-season) and the name-calling and taunting were kept to a minimum. As the holiday season is nearly upon us we will not be having another Tourney until January (date to follow). However, we will be having two practices before Christmas: Dec 7 & 21 at 11:00am on Wandsworth Common, and all the usual suspects are invited. Aram - Shotgun Ultimate From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Nov 18 11:01:30 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA00621 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 10:21:52 GMT Received: from mailgate.city.ac.uk (mailgate.city.ac.uk [138.40.12.3]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA00076 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 10:18:31 GMT Received: from netmail.city.ac.uk [138.40.12.1] by mailgate.city.ac.uk with smtp (City SMTP listener 1.71 #1) id 0xXkee-0005f5-00; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 10:13:12 +0000 Received: from hoffmann.city.ac.uk [138.40.85.20] by netmail.city.ac.uk with smtp (City Mailer 1.73 #1) id 0xXkiO-0006rx-00; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 10:17:04 +0000 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "AILES G M" To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 10:18:29 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Angels Contact X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Message-Id: Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk The Angels' contact address is Simon Barry / Gavin Ailes 135 Southwyck House Clairwood Walk London SW9 8TW e-mail G.M.Ailes@icsl.ac.uk Please send us invitations for tournaments!!! From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Nov 18 16:29:35 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA18423 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 16:07:03 GMT Received: from pp2.shef.ac.uk (pp2.shef.ac.uk [143.167.1.32]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id QAA18400 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 16:06:59 GMT Received: from agden.shef.ac.uk [143.167.31.254] by pp2.shef.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.73 #1) id 0xXqB0-0003GN-00; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 16:06:58 +0000 Received: from AGDEN/MAILQUEUE by agden.shef.ac.uk (Mercury 1.31); 18 Nov 97 16:06:56 +0000 Received: from MAILQUEUE by AGDEN (Mercury 1.31); 18 Nov 97 16:06:44 +0000 From: "Simon Weeks" To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 16:06:38 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Student Contact Details X-mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.31 Message-ID: <2A6C6659A@agden.shef.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi All, I have now fully completed the student contact list for the academic year 1997/98. If anyone would like a copy then I can send an attached excel file with all the data in or for those less technologically profficient if you give me your address I'll send it to you in the more conventional manner. Si. ################################################### simon weeks sorby hall, endcliffe vale road, sheffield, s10 3es tel. 0114 222 9999 extension 52252 email: gga95sew@sheffield.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Nov 18 19:10:24 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA21953 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 18:50:03 GMT Received: from admin.warwick.ac.uk (sigma [137.205.249.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA21931 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 18:49:58 GMT Received: from SIGMA/MERCURY by admin.warwick.ac.uk (Mercury 1.21); 18 Nov 97 18:50:29 +0000 Received: from MERCURY by SIGMA (Mercury 1.21); 18 Nov 97 18:50:23 +0000 From: "Derek Robins" Organization: University of Warwick, CV4 7AL, UK To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 18:50:16 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Disc Golf: BDGA latest X-mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.40 Message-ID: Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk BDGA members can expect the latest newsletter to be delivered to them in the next week. If there are any ultimate players out there who like to play a bit of disc golf, we would be very pleased to welcome you as BDGA members. The cost is 7 pounds for unwaged and 9 pounds for waged. For this you get newsletters, a handbook, a PDGA rule book, an individual membership card with your personal number and a disc discount. Next Year The tournament schedule is being put together and should be pretty much finalised before the end of the year. The BDGA Open will be at Whitcombe Farm on July 18-19th. The Scottish Open will be at Mull on May 2-3rd. There will probably be about a dozen events including tournaments at Hayling Island, Bristol, Edinburgh or Perth, Leamington Spa, Northumberland, Essex University and of course Beaminster in Dorset and Mull. Membership We now have 95 members (OK a few have of them have not renewed!) Merchandise You can now buy caps with the BDGA logo embroidered on them. There are still some polo shirts with the same embroidered logo. Contact Conor Davies at ConBDav@aol.com for further details Web Site The BDGA web site has moved to Scott's server http://www.ultimateweb.co.uk/bdga/ You can also check on the availability of golf discs for sale. The whole stock of Del's Disc Store can be searched on line at http://www.ultimateweb.co.uk/discstore/ BDGA Champions in 1997 Open Marco Lehousse (Belgium) Tour Derek Robins Matchplay Derek Robins That's all from me, but if you have designed your own course please let me know. Del *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*- Derek Robins | | D.J.Robins@admin.warwick.ac.uk Finance Office | | Tel 01203 522710 University of Warwick | | Fax 01203 524573 Coventry CV4 7AL | | Home 01926 864136 *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*- From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Nov 19 11:53:04 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA20048 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 11:33:29 GMT Received: from smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk (smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk [193.114.232.66]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA20031 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 11:33:23 GMT From: Wayne_Retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk Received: from smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk (unverified [126.128.26.71]) by smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk (Integralis SMTPRS 2.04) with SMTP id ; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 11:31:27 +0000 Received: from ccMail by smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk (IMA Internet Exchange 2.1 Enterprise) id 0001653A; Wed, 19 Nov 97 11:34:46 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 09:29:31 +0000 Message-Id: <0001653A.004069@watsonwyatt.co.uk> Subject: Newport (Indoors) Entrants To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Cc: merrick.cardew@g4tech.co.uk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Congratulations are in order, to Playthings and Nightfever for managing to be the first two teams (apart from the 'Druids) to enter for the Newport Indoor Tournament 1998. Interest has also, so far, been expressed by Angels, Whiplash, Shrub and "Ian Stebbing's Lot". It looks like the spaces are going fast - but remember ONLY PAYMENT GUARANTEES AN ENTRY Please bear in mind that, so far, all invitations have been by Email to BritDisc - when I find a little more time I'll try to post some invitations - in the meantime, if you want one, email me with an address or fax no and I'll send it. PAYMENT DEADLINE IS CHRISTMAS for the invitation and further info, see http://www.phidelta.demon.co.uk/fluiddruids/newport98/ Wayne Retter Fluid Druids - Newport Indoor Tournament TD 1998 home: druid@phidelta.demon.co.uk work: wayne_retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk __________________________________________________________________________________ Notice of Confidentiality This transmission is intended for the named addressee only. It contains information which may be confidential and which may also be privileged. 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If you have received this transmission in error please contact: ~admin@watsonwyatt.co.uk or IT Manager: +44(0)1737 241144 Fax: +44(0)1737 241496 __________________________________________________________________________________ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Nov 19 20:38:20 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id UAA04263 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 20:13:19 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.154]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id UAA04246 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 20:13:14 GMT Received: from phidelta.demon.co.uk ([158.152.248.177]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa1026162; 19 Nov 97 19:31 GMT Message-ID: <1YfkqBASqzc0Ew$$@phidelta.demon.co.uk> Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 19:14:26 +0000 To: BritDisc From: "Wayne Retter (Fluid Druid)" Reply-To: Fluid Druid Subject: Newport Indoors Invitations MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Trial Version 3.03a Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk All 1) Apologies for the size of this message 2) I'm having problems obtaining the BUF contact list, and if/when I do receive it, I'll be hard pressed to send the Newport Invitations out in the near future, so I'm resorting to electronic means... 3) Please find attached/following the .htm file that contains the basic info and rep[ly form 4) The sooner you return the forms with cheques, the more chance you have of definately being able to come to the Newport Tournament The race is on! Regards Wayne Retter druid@phidelta.demon.co.uk Newport Indoors 98 TD [ Section: 1/1 File: invite.htm Encoder: Turnpike Version 3.03a ] begin 644 invite.htm M/$A434P^#0H\2$5!1#X-"CQ4251,13Y.97=P;W)T($EN9&]O2`F86UP.R`Q M($9E8G)U87)Y(#$Y.3@\+TD^#0H\+V-E;G1E2!A;F0@=&AR;W<@82!F6]U(')E8V]G;FES92!I="!Y970_(%=E;&PL(')E860@;VXN+BX- M"@T*/&)L;V-K<75O=&4^/'-A;7`^#0H\<#Y/:#L@22!C86XG="!B92!B=6=G M97)E9"!T;R!W2!A;&P@9&%Y(%-A='5R9&%Y("@Y86T@+2`Y<&TI+"!A;F0@;6]S="!O M9B!3=6YD87D@*#EA;2`M(#9P;2D[($QO;F<@9V%M97,[(&YO('=A;&QS.R!O M=&AE3PO:3X@=&AE('-P;W)T M6TL M('-A=6YA+"!B87(L(&-A9F5T97)I82`M('-O(&)R:6YG('-O;64@861E<75A M=&4@:VET(&EF('EO=2!W86YT('1O('5S92!T:&5M#0H\;&D^(CQB/J,W-2!C M:&5Q=65S(&UA9&4@<&%Y86)L92!T;R!7+B!2971T97(\+V(^(B`M(&1O97,@ M=&AI'!L86EN:6YG/R!!<'!A'!E;G-I=F4@:V%R=&EN M9RXN+D%D86T\+V(^(B`M($%D86T@0F%T8VAE;&]R(&AA6%B;&4@=&\@5RX@4F5T=&5R*2!T;R!B M92!S96YT('1O('1H92!F;VQL;W=I;F<@861D6YE(%)E='1E2!H87)D(&5A; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 10:02:21 GMT Received: from HUMSCF2S.CF.AC.UK by crane.cf.ac.uk with SMTP-LOC (PP); Thu, 20 Nov 1997 09:48:21 +0000 Received: from HUMSCF2S/SpoolDir by HUMSCF2S.CF.AC.UK (Mercury 1.32); 20 Nov 97 09:57:12 GMT0BST Received: from SpoolDir by HUMSCF2S (Mercury 1.32); 20 Nov 97 09:56:48 GMT0BST From: DAVID BARNARD To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 09:56:46 GMT0BST Subject: SW indoor student regionals X-mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.41 (NDS, preview) Message-ID: <79B269E4A12@HUMSCF2S.CF.AC.UK> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk To all SW student and junior teams, RE. student qualifiers in Bristol 12/13 of the 16 places have been taken up. If you want a place at the regionals and haven't mailed me or are not sure if I have recieved your mail then contact me now. This applys mostley to Junior teams - I have only heard from Discult. Dave Barnard, Tournament director. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Nov 20 17:52:47 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA02219 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 17:32:17 GMT Received: from gateway.csl.gov.uk (gateway.csl.gov.uk [193.133.84.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA12740 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 11:53:43 GMT Received: by gateway.csl.gov.uk; id LAA08880; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 11:53:08 GMT Received: from unknown(150.150.55.60) by gateway.csl.gov.uk via smap (3.2) id xma008872; Thu, 20 Nov 97 11:52:53 GMT Message-ID: <34749513.5ABB@csl.gov.uk> Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 11:52:51 -0800 From: "Matthew M. Hims" Reply-To: mm.hims@csl.gov.uk Organization: Central Science Laboratory X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Mythago calls. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi, I am looking for someone from Bristol/Mythago who can remember the words to their Trainspotting choose life/ultimate call (As performed at Student Indoors 1997 and else where?). If there is anyone who can let me know the words, I would be much obliged Thanks Matthew Hinkins (Catch-22) c/o M.Hims e.mail m.hims@csl.uk.gov From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Nov 21 10:39:19 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id KAA20807 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 10:21:45 GMT Received: from freebsd.webleicester.co.uk (freebsd.webleicester.co.uk [195.134.2.35]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA20791 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 10:21:40 GMT Received: from server2 (media.webleicester.co.uk [195.134.2.146]) by freebsd.webleicester.co.uk (8.8.5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id KAA24551 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 10:21:38 GMT Message-Id: <199711211021.KAA24551@freebsd.webleicester.co.uk> From: "Ian Scotland" To: Subject: Ultimate hits the big-time Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 10:16:00 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Britdisc readers may be interested to hear that Ultimate featured as a question on BBC Leicester's County Questions Quiz Game. Yes, Ultimate has made it onto Radio Nice! The quiz master asked teams to "Name that Sport", and then gave a surprisingly accurate account of Ultimate. Neither of the four teams could of course name the sport! (What do they know in Kibworth anyway!) Scott From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sat Nov 22 00:50:14 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id AAA10487 for britdisc-outgoing; Sat, 22 Nov 1997 00:31:37 GMT Received: from wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk (wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk [131.111.48.24]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA10480 for ; Sat, 22 Nov 1997 00:31:33 GMT Received: by wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk (UK-Smail 3.1.25.1/15) id ; Sat, 22 Nov 97 00:31 GMT Message-Id: Date: Sat, 22 Nov 97 00:31 GMT From: mackay@mrao.cam.ac.uk (David J.C. MacKay) To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Ultrastars for Juniors Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi all A fleet of DHL aircraft have just brought the latest batch of Discraft discs from Michigan, and your mission (which I hope you will accept) is to go out and get juniors playing ultimate. I will sell you discs for 3.75 each to help you promote youth ultimate in your area. Please send me your orders. Cheques payable to David MacKay 19 Thornton Road Girton Cambridge CB3 0NP Discs to be used by juniors: 3.75 each. (e.g. 60 pounds for 16 discs) Discs for an adult audience: 6.00 each. Also available: Glow in the dark Ultrastars. (50p extra) And 125g Skypros (good for little kiddies and for DDC or guts) --- 1.50 each. Postage: 6 pounds flat rate for any number of discs (eg 12 or 20) yours David ========================================================================== David J.C. MacKay email: mackay@mrao.cam.ac.uk www: http://wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk/mackay/ Cavendish Laboratory, tel: (01223) 339852 fax: 354599 home: 276411 Madingley Road, international code: +44 1223 Cambridge CB3 0HE. U.K. room: 982 Rutherford Building ------------ At Newton Inst: 330536 ------------- From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Nov 24 10:35:57 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id KAA09360 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 10:11:49 GMT Received: from quay (quay.quay.ie [192.122.220.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA09326 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 10:11:36 GMT From: pbennison@csksoftware.com Received: from Tfs by quay with smtp (Aix Smail3.1.29.1 #2) id m0xZvTl-0001KtC; Mon, 24 Nov 97 10:10 GMT Message-Id: Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 10:02:33 +0000 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk, EuroDisc@ira.uka.de Subject: Dublin 1 day tournie this Sunday ... X-Mailer: TFS Gateway /222000000/222030473/222002635/222082120/ Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk The Pookas of Dublin are hosting a 1 day (okay, half day) hat tournament this Sunday, November 30th. If you are kicking around Ireland, and looking for some disc, please feel free to come out. Discs will start flying at 1 pm, with team selection between 1 and 1:30. We'll be playing at our usual practice venue at Herbert Park (behind the duck ponds) in Donnybrook, Dublin 4. For more information, please call/e-mail me. Peter Pookas - Dublin Ultimate (work) +353 1 604 6388 (home) +353 1 822 3314 e-mail : pbennison@csksoftware.com From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Nov 24 18:43:27 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id SAA21512 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 18:20:46 GMT Received: from beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk (beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.129.138]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA13534 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 15:20:06 GMT From: tww93si@soton.ac.uk Received: from hazel.sucs.soton.ac.uk (hazel.sucs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.173.100]) by beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.5/server) with ESMTP id PAA16834 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 15:20:04 GMT Received: from b44a-45.sucs.soton.ac.uk (b44a-45.sucs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.173.45]) by hazel.sucs.soton.ac.uk (SMI-8.6/client) with ESMTP id PAA02501 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 15:20:00 GMT Received: (from tww93si@localhost) by b44a-45.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.5/client) id PAA29110 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 15:19:57 GMT Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 15:19:57 GMT Message-Id: <199711241519.PAA29110@b44a-45.sucs.soton.ac.uk> Subject: Anytakers for an indoor hat tourney? To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-MD5: 8/V9LvAZ5mztcVSWP3pJFA== Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hello, This is a call to all teams and players who are not going to the Village People Tournament in Croydon on the 29/30th of November. Southampton University Ultimate Frisbee Team ( skunks ) have the use of thier sports hall for 6 hours a day on both days of this weekend, and have decided, if there are enough interested players to hold a 'Not Village and not quite yet Southampton, indoor tournament'. Any one remotely interested in attending this event sould contact me, Tim Woolford, as soon as possible to tell be which days you can play on. This will be a no holds barred event, everyone and anyone of any standard may attend on either or both days, but we need to know of number of people within a week. I know this is short notice, but I'm sure there are many players itching to play a little indoor ultimate. R.S.V.P.A.S.A.P.etc Tim. P.S. Invites to the Southampton Indoors are already on their way, via snail mail. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Nov 24 21:55:17 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id VAA24932 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 21:34:47 GMT Received: from clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@clover-fddi [137.205.4.2]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA26166 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 14:00:56 GMT Received: from beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk (beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.129.138]) by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA07650 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 14:00:45 GMT Received: from bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk (bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.64.201]) by beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.5/server) with SMTP id OAA19295 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 14:00:40 GMT Received: from whirligig.ecs.soton.ac.uk by bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk; Mon, 24 Nov 97 13:58:21 GMT Received: from life by whirligig.ecs.soton.ac.uk; Mon, 24 Nov 97 13:58:19 GMT Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 13:51:10 +0000 (GMT) From: Will Parker X-Sender: wp296@life To: britdisc Subject: Tournament this weekend in Southampton Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi all, We (the SKUNKS) have got our university sports hall booked THIS WEEKEND (29th / 30th Nov) from 12 - 6pm both days. This is the weekend of the Village indoors, so it is open to ANYONE who wants to come and cannot play at Village. We have got 3 SKUNKS teams and Cranfield have confirmed so far. There is opportunities to play in pickup teams, so come along and have a laugh. If you would like to come, e-mail frisbee@soton.ac.uk We should be able to accomodate teams with a bit of luck. The sports hall has got excellent facilities (showers, coffee bars, bars, sports bars, etc etc) so there are no excuses. Will SKUNKS pres ------------------------------------------------------- University of Southampton University Road, Highfield Southampton SO17 1BJ (in between Portwood and Swaythling if you are trying to get here!!!) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Nov 25 02:13:25 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id BAA24958 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 01:51:35 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.154]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id BAA24951 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 01:51:32 GMT Received: from ultimatum.demon.co.uk ([158.152.203.174]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa1014731; 25 Nov 97 1:47 GMT Subject: Village Indoors first games Date: Tue, 25 Nov 97 01:50:59 +0000 x-sender: ultimatum@pop3.demon.co.uk x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: Paul Hurt To: BritDisc Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Message-ID: <880422468.1014731.0@ultimatum.demon.co.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi all For those coming to the Village Indoors this weekend, hope you have all received maps and directions by now. The schedule is done, and these are the times of the first games: ------------------------------------------- 09.45 Lurkers v Dump Frenzy ------------------------------------------- 09.59 Chaos v Village ------------------------------------------- 10.13 Ian Stebbing etc v Mohawks ------------------------------------------- 10.27 Playthings v Women In Black ------------------------------------------- 10.41 UTT v Chineapple Punks ------------------------------------------- 10.55 Mr Men v Whiplash ------------------------------------------- 11.09 Lurkers v Slow White ------------------------------------------- 11.23 Village v Blue Arse Flies ------------------------------------------- In case you're curious, I can also tell you that the groups are as follows: GROUP A ------- Dump Frenzy Ian's Team UTT Lurkers Mohawks Chineapple Punks Slow White GROUP B ------- Chaos Playthings Mr Men Village Women In Black Whiplash B.A.F. See you at the weekend. Paul --------------------------------------------------- Paul Hurt, Village People Ultimate Team paul@ultimatum.demon.co.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Nov 25 02:31:54 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id CAA26688 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 02:11:02 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.154]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id CAA26679 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 02:10:57 GMT Received: from ultimatum.demon.co.uk ([158.152.203.174]) by post.mail.demon.net id ab1014731; 25 Nov 97 1:47 GMT Subject: Free indoor practice tonight Date: Tue, 25 Nov 97 01:51:01 +0000 x-sender: ultimatum@pop3.demon.co.uk x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: Paul Hurt To: BritDisc Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Message-ID: <880422469.1014731.1@ultimatum.demon.co.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi again If anyone's free tonight (Tuesday), you're welcome to come down and play at Trinity School, just outside Croydon in South London. Trinity's junior team are having a last-ditch practice for the tournament this weekend, but we might be a bit short on numbers. We have the very cool main hall (where the Village Indoors is happening) booked between 6.00pm and 7.30. If you're free, give me a quick call today on 0370 918719. Thanks Paul --------------------------------------------------- Paul Hurt, Village People Ultimate Team paul@ultimatum.demon.co.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Nov 25 10:21:09 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id JAA21739 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 09:59:07 GMT Received: from caged.st-andrews.ac.uk (root@caged.st-and.ac.uk [138.251.34.40]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA21733 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 09:59:05 GMT Received: from purds.st-andrews.ac.uk (jpg2@purds [138.251.34.20]) by caged.st-andrews.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA18477; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 09:59:01 GMT Received: from localhost (jpg2@localhost) by purds.st-andrews.ac.uk (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id JAA24363; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 09:58:58 GMT Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 09:58:58 +0000 (GMT) From: Big Funky X-Sender: jpg2@st-andrews.ac.uk To: Paul Hurt cc: BritDisc Subject: Re: Village Indoors first games In-Reply-To: <880422468.1014731.0@ultimatum.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hah, most of wont have a clue who I am, best of luck to Flies and Chinapple Punks at the Village indoors, I expect you both to be in the final - naturally flies will win!!! I would come and play but It's a bit far and the cash doesn't really permit it either. Good luck to everyone, especially those who I will have pissed off by sending them a random message from a complete stranger Jon Good D.O.P.A. S.A.U. (underground) Wine Soc. V.P. S.A.U.U.F.C. M.S.R. Hamilton Hall a.k.a. 'The Ugly Bloke' ".....Recently I learned to disco on holiday in SAN-FRAN-SISC-OOOOO!" From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Nov 25 18:36:05 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id SAA05517 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 18:13:55 GMT Received: from clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@clover-fddi [137.205.4.2]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA01855 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 13:17:24 GMT Received: from shrimp.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (ralf@shrimp [137.205.227.130]) by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA24937 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 11:33:32 GMT Received: (from ralf@localhost) by shrimp.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA15164 for britdisc@csv; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 11:33:28 GMT From: Ralf Message-Id: <199711251133.LAA15164@shrimp.dcs.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: new phone number (NL) To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 11:33:28 +0000 (GMT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL35 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk ----- Forwarded message from owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk ----- From: erikbog@knoware.nl Subject: nieuw telefoonnummer Erik en Vanessa hebben een nieuw telefoonnummer (vanaf vandaag) - 0222-322642. Erik and Vanessa have a new phone number - 00 31 222 322642 ----- End of forwarded message from owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk ----- ____ ____ _ _ ____ .----------------------------------------. _\__ \ _\__ \ / \ / \\__/ | Ranulf Doswell | / \_/ /_ / \_/ \ / / / /___ | Department of Computer Science | \ __ \\ __ \\ \ _\ \\_/ |University of Warwick, COVENTRY, CV4 7AL| \ \ \ \\ \ \ \\ \__/ \\ \ | Phone: 01203 523 296 | \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \______/ \_/ `----------------------------------------' From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Nov 25 18:38:56 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id SAA06075 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 18:16:21 GMT Received: from clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@clover-fddi [137.205.4.2]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA10997 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 11:36:04 GMT Received: from shrimp.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (ralf@shrimp [137.205.227.130]) by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA25123 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 11:35:08 GMT Received: (from ralf@localhost) by shrimp.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA15179 for britdisc@csv; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 11:35:01 GMT From: Ralf Message-Id: <199711251135.LAA15179@shrimp.dcs.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: fwd mail To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 11:35:01 +0000 (GMT) Reply-To: mlb6@ukc.ac.uk X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL35 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk ----- Forwarded message from owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk ----- From: mlb6 Reply-To: mlb6@ukc.ac.uk To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Help! Dear All, Just a short cry for help from the newly-reborn team TOXIC at Kent uni - please could anyone with information on any tournaments in our area or even further afield please contact us as we are fairly new to this game. Cheers, Marie-Louise Bowles mlb6@ukc.ac.uk ----- End of forwarded message from owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk ----- ____ ____ _ _ ____ .----------------------------------------. _\__ \ _\__ \ / \ / \\__/ | Ranulf Doswell | / \_/ /_ / \_/ \ / / / /___ | Department of Computer Science | \ __ \\ __ \\ \ _\ \\_/ |University of Warwick, COVENTRY, CV4 7AL| \ \ \ \\ \ \ \\ \__/ \\ \ | Phone: 01203 523 296 | \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \______/ \_/ `----------------------------------------' From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Nov 25 21:33:57 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id VAA08210 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 21:14:20 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA08202 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 21:14:18 GMT Received: from phidelta.demon.co.uk ([158.152.248.177]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa2002908; 25 Nov 97 20:47 GMT Message-ID: Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 20:36:54 +0000 To: BritDisc From: "Fluid Druids Ultimate Team (Wayne Retter)" Subject: Newport Entrants... Contact Details MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Trial Version 3.03a Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Newport Indoor Tournament 31 Jan & 1 Feb 1998 There are 6 spaces remaining... several teams have expressed an interest... first payment received, first entered... http://www.phidelta.demon.co.uk/fluiddruids/newport98/ # now has some maps on how to get to the Newport Centre # has the most up to date list of Entrants (see below) Entrants' payments received as at 25/11/1997: 1) Fluid Druids 2) Cryogenica Playthings 3) Night Fever 4) Whiplash 5) Bliss/Pulp 6) Chineapple Punks 7) Shrub 8) OW! 9) First Touch 10) Mr Men 11) 12) 13) 14) 15) 16) Entrants' payments "in the post" Blue Arse Flies Ian Stebbing's Lot... Angels Women In Black Headrush NB: spaces ARE NOT RESERVED until I receive it: Cheers Wayne druid@phidelta.demon.co.uk ................................................ : FLUID DRUIDS : : theultimatefrisbeeteam : : druid@dreamer.demon.co.uk : : http://www.dreamer.demon.co.uk/druids/ : :..............................................: From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Nov 26 09:39:42 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id JAA18063 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 09:18:50 GMT Received: from E-MAIL.COM (e-mail.com [204.146.168.195]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA18027 for ; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 09:18:45 GMT Received: from IMXGATE.COM by E-MAIL.COM (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with BSMTP id 8267; Wed, 26 Nov 97 04:18:40 EST Received: from cybeles.greigfester.com by imxgate.com (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with TCP; Wed, 26 Nov 97 04:18:39 EST Received: by cybeles.greigfester.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.993.5) id <01BCFA4C.C3B30880@cybeles.greigfester.com>; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 09:22:06 -0000 Message-ID: From: "Wagstaff, Colin" To: "'Britdisc'" Cc: "'DAVE TROVELL'" Subject: FW: UTI Contact Address Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 09:21:46 -0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.993.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk >---------- >From: > bmplon/bmp/trovelld%londdbpma#@ddbn.geis.com[SMTP:bmplon/bmp/trovelld%londdb >pma#@ddbn.geis.com] >Sent: 24 November 1997 17:29 >To: adamh@marketplace-design.co.uk; matthew_robb@mckinsey.com; >tvleeds@aol.com; wmd4@student.open.ac.uk >Cc: Wagstaff, Colin; aae96@aber.ac.uk; andrew.tucker@warwick.ac.uk; >bowlesgu@guinness.com; dmurray@soton.ac.uk; mark_p_perryman@gb.coopers.com; >mmup9@central.susx.ac.uk; shipley@coventry.ac.uk >Subject: RE: New Number > > >I've moved! > >Can someone please put my new address and number on Britdisc for me, >it's: >1 Mimosa Court >29 Avenue Road >London N15 5JF > >Tel. 0181 800 2479 > >Cheers. > >That's all for now >Dave (Trovell) > > > From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Nov 26 20:26:22 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id KAA11758 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 10:49:28 GMT Received: from monet.stdavids.ncr.com (h153-73-102-11.NCR.COM [153.73.102.11]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA11595 for ; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 10:48:48 GMT Received: from dunfgate.stdavids.ncr.com (dunfgate.StDavids.NCR.COM [153.73.102.29]) by monet.stdavids.ncr.com (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA01532 for ; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 10:46:38 GMT Received: by dunfgate.stdavids.ncr.com with Microsoft Mail id <347C7587@dunfgate.stdavids.ncr.com>; Wed, 26 Nov 97 11:16:23 PST From: "Grayson, David" To: britdisc Subject: Student Eligibility Rules Date: Wed, 26 Nov 97 09:48:00 PST Message-ID: <347C7587@dunfgate.stdavids.ncr.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk With student indoors coming up and the inaugural Scottish Student League having started (are any other regions doing this? - I remember the initial idea came from Loughborough) I think the time is right for a mention of the new rules which have been brought in. I believe these new regulations were the result of attempting to clear up the ambiguity of old. This was undoubtedly good as they are far clearer than before. I am however less convinced that they provide the ideal long term solution. The rules for this year (as I understand them). 1. Only full time students (on a graduating course) can play 2. Students may only play for their institution. If their institution does not have a team then they may only play for their geographically closest team and they may only play for this team if they practice with them at least once a week. 3. You can't play for more than 4 years as a student These rules presently exclude the following groups of players: Staff of an institution Students at institutions without a team who don't happen to play regularly with their "local" student team Juniors not at a HE institution Very experienced students To my mind the way to look at this issue is from the point of view of "What is the point of student competition?" When this question is asked then there are 2 viable models to choose from. Model 1: Student competitions are to provide competition between institutions. Therefore at stake is basically the reputation of the Institution. This is the model almost all other Uni sports competitions run on. The line taken by our institution (Glasgow) is that they support us and consequently want recognition when we compete - i.e. we are competing for them. They also take the view that everyone they allow to join the club should be eligible to play for the team. I believe this is also the view of the British Universities Sports Association (BUSA) but am unsure - is Ultimate affiliated to BUSA? This model then, seeks to include all members of an institution (including staff) to play for that institution. But excludes all members of institutions which cannot raise a team. Model 2: Student competitions are there to provide a different kind/level of competition to that of the open tournaments. This model suggests that students represent a broadly homogenous population and that the idea is to bring those people together to play without the distractions of other types of people. One justification for this would be to say that it keeps out most of the very experienced players, consequently producing a less imposing atmosphere for less experienced players. It may also be true that students have more of a common bond - providing a more sociable atmosphere than open tournaments. This model of course excludes the more experienced players, staff etc but would seek to include all students from all over - therefore not requiring the once a week practice with the geographically closest student team. At the moment we appear to have settled on a doubly exclusive compromise which results in the ideologies behind neither model being successfully implemented. I think it makes more sense to actually choose a model to work by and then make the rules accordingly. I think to continue to promote Ultimate we should err on the side of inclusion rather than exclusion. I am offering this merely as a topic for discussion, I think it is something student clubs should be thinking about. It is not a battlecry demanding that changes be made - as I have already said I am delighted we have easy rules to follow, even if I don't think they are ideal. Nor is it sour grapes because we have had to turn players away both from regionals and the league - with both models I suggest, we would have had to turn some players away who have every right to feel they should be allowed to compete and I'm quite sure most teams find themselves in a similar position to us. What does everyone else think? I hope people will think about it and if discussion seems to desire it then perhaps the student coordinator (Simon Weeks) will decide to review the rules some time in the future. Feel free to reply either directly or to britdisc, Dave. Mud Culture/Far Flung. david@mcg.gla.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Nov 26 20:53:32 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id UAA02577 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 20:35:40 GMT Received: from crane.cf.ac.uk (crane.cf.ac.uk [131.251.0.45]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA02570 for ; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 20:35:37 GMT Received: from HUMSCF2S.CF.AC.UK by crane.cf.ac.uk with SMTP-LOC (PP); Wed, 26 Nov 1997 20:26:18 +0000 Received: from HUMSCF2S/SpoolDir by HUMSCF2S.CF.AC.UK (Mercury 1.32); 26 Nov 97 20:35:20 GMT0BST Received: from SpoolDir by HUMSCF2S (Mercury 1.32); 26 Nov 97 20:35:00 GMT0BST From: DAVID BARNARD To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 20:34:56 GMT0BST Subject: Student SW regionals In-reply-to: <199710060648.HAA02023@crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.54) Message-ID: <835BD9505BD@HUMSCF2S.CF.AC.UK> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk To all junior teams, In reference to the SW student indoor qualifiers: There have been 14 entries so far and I therefore have two spaces left. If there are any junior teams out there who would like a place then please contact me ASAP. David Barnard, Tounament Director. Dave "Cannon Geek" Barnard @ 0411 691129 From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Nov 27 03:49:29 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id DAA14661 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 27 Nov 1997 03:25:02 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id DAA14651 for ; Thu, 27 Nov 1997 03:25:00 GMT Received: from ultimatum.demon.co.uk ([158.152.203.174]) by post.mail.demon.net id ab2012319; 27 Nov 97 3:16 GMT Subject: Village Indoors Phone Number Date: Thu, 27 Nov 97 03:19:16 +0000 x-sender: ultimatum@pop3.demon.co.uk x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: Paul Hurt To: BritDisc Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Message-ID: <880600560.2012319.1@ultimatum.demon.co.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk I thought I'd done my last posting about this weekend, but I've had a little accident... If anyone needs to call me about the Village Indoors, please note that my mobile number (0370 918719) is temporarily out of action. Because my mobile got run over by a juggernaut on Tuesday (don't ask...) Your best bet is to call me at work (Thursday only) on 0181 684 2000. >From Thursday night onwards, try me at home on 0181 777 6095. I may not be in, but I'll try and borrow an answering machine, so leave a message. Ooops... Paul --------------------------------------------------- Paul Hurt, Village People Ultimate Team paul@ultimatum.demon.co.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Nov 27 10:31:09 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id KAA15728 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 27 Nov 1997 10:08:13 GMT Received: from shrimp.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (ralf@shrimp [137.205.227.130]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA15717 for ; Thu, 27 Nov 1997 10:08:09 GMT Received: (from ralf@localhost) by shrimp.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA20693 for britdisc@csv; Thu, 27 Nov 1997 10:08:08 GMT From: Ralf Message-Id: <199711271008.KAA20693@shrimp.dcs.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: britdisc@csv To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 10:08:08 +0000 (GMT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL35 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Subject: Vill. Indoors Web Site Date: Thu, 27 Nov 97 03:19:17 +0000 From: Paul Hurt To: BritDisc Hi Anyone who needs directions and maps for Village this weekend can find info at: http://www.ultimatum.demon.co.uk/indoors97/ Paul --------------------------------------------------- Paul Hurt, Village People Ultimate Team paul@ultimatum.demon.co.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Nov 27 17:12:36 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id QAA24512 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 27 Nov 1997 16:06:20 GMT Received: from clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@clover-fddi [137.205.4.2]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA21848 for ; Thu, 27 Nov 1997 13:08:25 GMT Received: from renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk (renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk [129.215.13.3]) by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA17713 for ; Thu, 27 Nov 1997 11:10:19 GMT Received: from eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk (eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk [129.215.13.1]) by renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA25290 for ; Thu, 27 Nov 1997 11:10:08 GMT Received: from SMS-EIGG/SpoolDir by eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk (Mercury 1.31); 27 Nov 97 11:10:10 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by SMS-EIGG (Mercury 1.31); 27 Nov 97 11:10:02 +0000 From: "James Spicer" <9550732@eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk> To: Britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 11:09:59 +0000 Subject: Scottish League First results X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.54) Message-ID: Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Dear All As you all should be aware there is now a Scottish Student League running in Scotland. Last Week saw the playing of the first games in the league. Everyone who travelled or hosted had a good time playing full rules, full game ultimate, and the results are as follows................... Glasgow (Mud Culture) 21 - 9 Stathclyde (The Source) Edinburgh (Sneeeky's) 21 - 10 St Andrews (Flying Sourcerers) Dundee (Shooting Stars) 21 - 10 Stirling (Magnificent 7) All results in the future will be posted up on the Scottish League Web site as soon construction is finsihed, which will be very soon. *** All league positions, rules, contacts etc will be also found there.***** You will be able to find it by going to Http://www.ed.ac.uk/~ultimate Cheers James S J.a.Spicer@sms.ed.ac.uk Edinburgh University Ultimate Frisbee Club (Sneeekys) on the net at: http://www.ed.ac.uk/~ultimate/ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Nov 27 20:10:11 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id TAA01258 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 27 Nov 1997 19:15:24 GMT Received: from pp2.shef.ac.uk (pp2.shef.ac.uk [143.167.1.32]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA09736 for ; Thu, 27 Nov 1997 17:17:13 GMT Received: from agden.shef.ac.uk [143.167.31.254] by pp2.shef.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.73 #1) id 0xb7Yu-0003Ua-00; Thu, 27 Nov 1997 17:17:12 +0000 Received: from AGDEN/SpoolDir by agden.shef.ac.uk (Mercury 1.31); 27 Nov 97 17:17:12 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by AGDEN (Mercury 1.31); 27 Nov 97 17:17:04 +0000 From: "Simon Weeks" To: graysd@monetpost.stdavids.ncr.com Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 17:16:59 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Student Eligibility - Sorry to those uninterested CC: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk, jpg2@st-andrews.ac.uk X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Appologies to any of you are not interested, but as Dave felt it necessary to put his message out on Britdisc I feel those who are interested in this issue should be able to read my response. > I believe these new regulations were the result of attempting to clear up > the ambiguity of old. This was undoubtedly good as they are far clearer > than before. I am however less convinced that they provide the ideal > long term solution. > The rules for this year (as I understand them). > 1. Only full time students (on a graduating course) can play It states in the rules that part-time students are eligible to play along as studying is shown to be their primary occupation (this is just to stop people doing just one hour a week so they can play student ultimate - apparently it has happened in the past!!) > 2. Students may only play for their institution. If their institution > does not have a team then they may only play for their geographically > closest team and they may only play for this team if they practice with > them at least once a week. Would you not agree with this. Surely if you are going to play for a University team you've got to train with them. It's not fair for a University to pull in a few local talents just to strengthen their team for important tournaments. If they make an effort to train regularly and compete for the team in the academic year in question then there is no problem. > 3. You can't play for more than 4 years as a student Remember it is still five years this year. The original message to Britdisc has already caused someone to panic thinking they're ineligible for the tournament this weekend. > These rules presently exclude the following groups of players: > > Staff of an institution Do you really think staff should be part of a University team? Eligible at Open tournaments absolutely, but in Student competitions, we're not trying to find the University with the best staff team! > Students at institutions without a team who don't happen to play > regularly with their "local" student team My sentiments are explained above. > Juniors not at a HE institution Juniors are again not students of the institution so for the two student competitions that we do get a year, let's keep to HE Institution Students. > Very experienced students Now this is a more in depth issue and I have spoke to Norm and Alex (welshy) about this. I am still not convinced about the rights and wrongs of eliminating 'experienced' students, but I feel that when Si Hill and Barry O'Kane drew up these rules they thought long and hard about this rule. However, once again it is necessary to notice that we are only talking about two tournaments a year of the many tournaments that student teams enter. > To my mind the way to look at this issue is from the point of view of > "What is the point of student competition?" When this question is asked > then there are 2 viable models to choose from. > Model 1: Student competitions are to provide competition between > institutions. > Model 2: Student competitions are there to provide a different > kind/level of competition to that of the open > tournaments. With the two competitions that we organise each year we are specifically interested in crowning the best 'student' team in the country. It is a competition between the students of the institutions. It may well be that many student teams have an open team set up around the University team, but 'student' competitions are, as far as I am concerned, to be between the students. I feel that in most cases eligibility rules are fair regarding student competitions, although I would still be willing to listen to other opinions on the issue of whether experinced players should be excluded or not. Hope that clears it up a little, Simon Weeks Student Coordinator From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Nov 27 20:32:53 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id TAA05726 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 27 Nov 1997 19:48:06 GMT Received: from lupin.csv.warwick.ac.uk (esrqr@lupin-fddi [137.205.4.7]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA05709 for ; Thu, 27 Nov 1997 19:47:58 GMT Received: (from esrqr@localhost) by lupin.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.7) id TAA07994 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Thu, 27 Nov 1997 19:47:56 GMT From: Mr A J Tucker Message-Id: <199711271947.TAA07994@lupin.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Student Eligibility Rules To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 19:47:55 +0000 (GMT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk I would like to add my support to Dave Graysons comments regarding his views on the new student eligibility rules. He echoes my views on this subject entirely. Unfortunately I was not in the country when the original discussion took place, and I fully understand the fact that the current student co-ordinator, Simon Weeks, is inheriting a policy which isn't his. For many years the student eligibility rules have certainly needed clarification and Dave is right to applaud the moves to do this. To me however the new rules step in totally the wrong direction. Of special concern, I think, is the one which bans experienced student players from student competition. It is both flawed in theory and grossly unfair in practice. As Dave states we have to ask what the point of student ultimate competition is? Surely the purpose of having a separate student competition is to determine which university or similar institution has the best team, consisting of players drawn from that institution. Put simply the Student Nationals should be an inter-university tournament. This is the line taken by literally every other student sport and the line taken by student sports governing body, BUSA (British Universities Sports Association), which we are not yet part of. BUSA's policy is clear and simple; players have to be registered for full or part- time study at the relevant institution in order to represent them in student sport. Certainly this is the expectation of Warwick Students' Union who provide, like many other unions, the frisbee club with significant financial support. They give this money expecting the team to consist of the best players the University can produce, to play the best teams from other universities. The team is representing Warwick University. They do not give the money for a small group of people to have a good time with free trips around the country. It is important of course that new players have a chance to play in less intensive competitions to develop confidence and skills. However there is no need to artificially limit the Student Nationals to a beginners tournament. There are plenty of separate beginner tournaments already running although I'm sure a few more are needed. More importantly, not all students are beginners, a situation likely to be even more obvious in the future with many great junior players now coming through. It seems to me that a high standard of student Ultimate is something to be encouraged, not discouraged. It has been shown many times before that infact the top student teams can be amongst the best teams in the country in their own right. To exclude from a team its top few players, which is the situation at Warwick, is both unfair on the individual and the rest of the team. It will often be the case that the best players will also be the most active in running or coaching a club. Can you then turn round and say that those people aren't allowed to play in what is the clubs most important tournament, despite their total commitment to the team, and their unquestionable status as students at the relevant university. It makes a mockery of the whole student champs if everyone knows the winners aren't infact the best student side in the country. The rule states players cannot play in student competition four years after they first completed in a student tournament. This is a ridiculously inconsistent way of limiting the standard even if this was a desirable aim. It means that a highly experienced player can still compete if, for example, they missed the students in their first year for some reason. Exchange students from abroad or ex-junior players could have been playing many years before playing in their first student tournament. Some experienced players will be able to play and others won't. Where is the consistency? How can you make a rule like that to be consistent? The long term aim of Student Ultimate in Britain must be to obtain BUSA recognition. It would provide the sport with so many benefits, most important of which would be a raised profile and considerable funding and sponsorship opportunities. Ultimate would get the recognition it undoubtedly deserves but unfortunately doesn't get within so many universities. The setting up of the new regional leagues is undoubtably an important step in this direction. However BUSA recognition does not stand a chance if the current eligibility policy is continued. The obvious solution is to start using the BUSA rules. That is any registered student is allowed to represent their university if deemed good enough. The student tournaments are inter-university tournaments. Those players attending a university where there is no team cannot play. Of course I have some sympathy for them but there are plenty of other tourneys after all, and it provides some great incentive to set up a new club. The alternative is that the students become just another beginners tourney, where winning isn't important and eligibility rules become totally irrelevant. Im sorry to go on for so long about a subject that will seem irrelevant to so many people, but I feel this to be a very important issue and something that needs to be re-addressed right away. With student ultimate having been the backbone of British ultimate for so long the implications, especially of BUSA recognition, infact effect everyone. Andy Tucker - Warwick Bears / UTI andrew.tucker@warwick.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Nov 28 10:23:35 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id JAA16840 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 09:27:30 GMT Received: from amsta.leeds.ac.uk (amsta.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA16833 for ; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 09:27:28 GMT Received: from newton.leeds.amsta (newton.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.64]) by amsta.leeds.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA24996 for ; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 09:28:01 GMT Received: by newton.leeds.amsta (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA16959; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 09:28:52 GMT Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 09:28:52 GMT From: amtsjh@amsta.leeds.ac.uk (S J Hill) Message-Id: <199711280928.JAA16959@newton.leeds.amsta> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: students - sorry - its a long one X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Of course I couldn't keep quiet forever... .. and I get involved now because I was involved in trying to tie down some eligibility rules. I don't think there is much argument over 1. staff not playing 2. juniors not playing (in fact where there is space I believe they are being allowed to play at the qualifiers this and next w/e) 3. players at institutions with no team In all these cases we have clarified the situation and I think most people would agree things are moving in the right direction. So what about the contentious issue re long-term students such as myself. In fact, the idea for this rule came mostly from Southampton wher Dave Murray and Sonic in particular (they may care to agree...?) felt that a few experienced players could dominate the tournaments, (and had been doing so for some years - and they should know - they've been to most (all?) of them in the last 6 or 7 years I believe.) [At this point you may - or may not - be interested to know that a) a similar rule is used in college ultimate in the States b) the rule would not have affected any of the players in last year's student catch team that won both indoors and out.] Ultimate is still such a very new game (at least in terms of numbers of players who arrive at Uni never having seen it before). At the level we are talking about, one experienced player can make an enormous difference. I can hear lots of people saying "so what? - thats fair". I can agree with that point. But also we felt that overall the tournaments might become much closer/tighter/etc.. than they have been in the past and that student competition might become just that. (As opposed to student-foregone-conclusion.) Norm points out that there are a few apparent inconsistencies about experienced players. 1. Foreign students I guess should consider when they first played student ultimate at home. If that makes them ineligible under these rules then I guess they shouldn't play. 2. Players who missed a tournament in their first year? You have to use something concrete to describe when a player "starts". ("First starting to practice" could easily be too vague.) 3. Players who have played ultimate before becoming a student. I think they are different to players who are halfway through a PhD and have played in all the student tourneys for the last 4 years. I suspect that none of the people who thought this was the right thing to do would be that dismayed if overall the concensus was that it was wrong. Its not something I passionately believe in; I just felt it was probably a helpful idea. What about the TEAMS who have trained hard over a few years but don't have a GB squad member (or two) doing a PhD at their University? If those people agree with Norm then we would have to assume that most people would like the rule changed. Anyway thats some more background. At the time, people we spoke to seemed to think that altho' it was tough, it was probably a good idea. Maybe some of them will speak up. (Maybe they won't!) Good luck to all the teams in student tournaments coming up (especially those that come from Leeds!) Si From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Nov 28 11:31:15 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id KAA28726 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 10:36:50 GMT Received: from cheviot.ncl.ac.uk (cheviot.ncl.ac.uk [128.240.233.51]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA28687 for ; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 10:36:36 GMT Received: from burnmoor.ncl.ac.uk by cheviot.ncl.ac.uk id (8.7.6/ for ncl.ac.uk) with ESMTP; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 10:36:33 GMT Received: from ncl.ac.uk (aldworth.ncl.ac.uk [128.240.148.70]) by burnmoor.ncl.ac.uk (8.7.6/8.6.10-cf revision 2 for Solaris 2.x) with ESMTP id KAA20246; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 10:36:32 GMT Message-ID: <347E9EDA.4DBED092@ncl.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 10:37:14 +0000 From: Ian Welch X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Newcastle players Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi, Does anyone know of any ultimate players in Newcastle upon Tyne or maybe Durham? Cheers Ian From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Nov 28 11:56:34 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id LAA04460 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 11:05:46 GMT Received: from renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk (renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk [129.215.13.3]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA04412 for ; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 11:05:31 GMT From: 9361247@arran.sms.ed.ac.uk Received: from arran.sms.ed.ac.uk (arran.sms.ed.ac.uk [129.215.13.5]) by renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA24154 for ; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 11:05:28 GMT Received: from SMS-ARRAN/SpoolDir by arran.sms.ed.ac.uk (Mercury 1.31); 28 Nov 97 11:05:30 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by SMS-ARRAN (Mercury 1.31); 28 Nov 97 11:05:01 +0000 Organization: Student Mail Service To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 11:03:34 +0000 Subject: Student eligibility X-mailer: Pegasus Mail/Mac (v2.1.2) Message-ID: <37B43737208@arran.sms.ed.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk I'm glad that this discussion has finally begun, as I believe it was a very near-sighted rule to begin with (student players being limited to 4/5 years experience), although done with the best intentions in mind. Si wrote: [At this point you may - or may not - be interested to know that a) a similar rule is used in college ultimate in the States Which I think points out one of the great flaws in the rule. The sheer number of players in Britain is comparatively very small, and as such we should still be on a massive expansion-kick with the sport, and where better to start than at Uni? The idea of encouraging more new players and teams depends crucially on those with experience of playing. After all it is more likely they, if they have moved to a new University for post-graduate study, which does not have a team, to start one. What would then be said to this person, when wanting to compete with his/her new and inexperienced team in a student competition, even though they have become 'too experienced'? My other point is linked with recognition of the sport as a serious one, within Universities. One way to gain more recognition, surely is in the awarding of Colours to players. I know that in Edinburgh Uni, to be eligible, a person must play all first team games for 3 years, which for someone beginning in their first year of a 4 year course, this is very unlikely. Those with more experience would stand a much greater chance of achieving this level of representation. For those reading this, who don't know me, I am a 1st year PhD student in my 4th year of playing Ultimate, so next year if the rule goes ahead, will be ineligible to play Student competitions. Frankly I have felt let down by this rule, as I was wanting to compete and play for my University in all tournaments. Instead, if I want to do that now, I would have to take up another sport, where this rule is not in place. Thanks for hopefully reading, Wee Jim Sneeeky's From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Nov 28 11:59:32 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id LAA04625 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 11:06:54 GMT Received: from shrimp.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (ralf@shrimp [137.205.227.130]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA04593 for ; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 11:06:42 GMT Received: (from ralf@localhost) by shrimp.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA22610 for britdisc@csv; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 11:06:41 GMT From: Ralf Message-Id: <199711281106.LAA22610@shrimp.dcs.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: from wayne To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 11:06:41 +0000 (GMT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL35 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk ----- Forwarded message from owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk ----- From: Wayne_Retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk Subject: Britdisc Dear all, Gotta go! or my company will simply block any messages from BritDisc (and any other mailing list for that matter - apparently they're the source of all evil!). I just won't find out what's happening until I get home! Regards Wayne Retter wayne_retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk ______________________________________________________________________________ Notice of Confidentiality This transmission is intended for the named addressee only. It contains information which may be confidential and which may also be privileged. Unless you are the named addressee (or authorised to receive it for the addressee) you may not copy or use it, or disclose it to anyone else. If you have received this transmission in error please contact: ~admin@watsonwyatt.co.uk or IT Manager: +44(0)1737 241144 Fax: +44(0)1737 241496 Watson Wyatt Partners is regulated by the Institute of Actuaries in the conduct of UK investment business. ______________________________________________________________________________ ----- End of forwarded message from owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk ----- ____ ____ _ _ ____ .----------------------------------------. _\__ \ _\__ \ / \ / \\__/ | Ranulf Doswell | / \_/ /_ / \_/ \ / / / /___ | Department of Computer Science | \ __ \\ __ \\ \ _\ \\_/ |University of Warwick, COVENTRY, CV4 7AL| \ \ \ \\ \ \ \\ \__/ \\ \ | Phone: 01203 523 296 | \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \______/ \_/ `----------------------------------------' From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Nov 28 14:41:06 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id NAA06084 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 13:37:29 GMT Received: from ultra1.aber.ac.uk (patman@ultra1.aber.ac.uk [144.124.16.17]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA05989 for ; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 13:37:12 GMT Received: from cassin.dcs.aber.ac.uk [193.60.10.80] by ultra1.aber.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.73 #3) id 0xbQar-0007dP-00; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 13:36:29 +0000 Message-ID: <347EC8A6.523F@aber.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 13:35:34 +0000 From: ALEX EVANS X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.02 (X11; I; SunOS 5.6 sun4m) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: britdisc Subject: Student eligibility Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk The biggest problem I've had with the student eligibility rules over the years is getting hold of a copy. Relying on word of mouth is pretty unsatisfactory and has caused trouble in the past. Perhaps it's time to put them on the BUF homepage? I might as well put the boot into the 5 year rule while I'm here. This year I started a new team in Aberystwyth, Mwnci See, and in April we attended our first tournament, the Student Championships in Southampton. I was the only player who had ever been to a tournament before, and had I been ineligible to play (if I'd taken an extra year before returning to univeristy then I would have been) then I suspect that the team might not have made that trip. Just to rehash a few more of Wee Jim and Mr A J Tucker's points: Why the need to be consistant with the American collegiate rules? Since BUSA membership is more of a priority than a British-American student championship shouldn't we be trying to bring ourselves more into line with BUSA rules? This 'too good for the student championships' mentality seems perverse to me. Are we more concerned with raising the standard of play or with having 'fairer' matches? If the former then let all students play; if the latter then let's ban anyone with more than 6 months experience. And finally the matter of consistancy. It seems odd that someone with five years experience at student level should be barred, but someone with the same amount of experience at junior level (or even open level for mature students) should be allowed. Or are we going to kick out former junior players in the name of consistancy? My beginners really enjoyed Southampton. There were a lot of good experienced players there, and we were whooped 15-0 by Catch in our first ever match. They weren't intimidated, they enjoyed it and they learnt from it. It would be a shame to turn the student championships into an homogenous swillfest (no offence to undergrads). Alex Mwnci See/UTI From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Nov 28 19:15:06 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id SAA07769 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 18:57:51 GMT Received: from calisto.ccc.cranfield.ac.uk (calisto.ccc.cranfield.ac.uk [138.250.1.172]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA07748 for ; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 18:57:32 GMT Received: from CAP100.PC.CRANFIELD.AC.UK by calisto with SMTP (PP); Fri, 28 Nov 1997 18:54:27 +0000 Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 18:55:47 GMT From: aaron altman Subject: You had to know this was coming..... To: britdisc Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk But, in a country where so many of the major Universities have yet to field teams consistently from one year to the next, I find it peculiar to limit the amount of experience allowed players that might start a team at those same Universities. Obviously, Alex and myself are prime examples of that. Anyways, we always cover each other at tournaments!!! The fact is I know that the first year I was here, my team would not have DARED play in a student tournament without me, and to take them to the Majority of Open tournaments would have exposed them to so much carnage, they wouldn't have come back. Every person has a certain degree of pride. If you say beginner's tournaments are the answer, well, you need to have that experienced player to make things go, don't you? If you allow them to play in those tournaments, and then disallow them at Students, teams quite easily fall to pieces simply trying to get past that first marked/forced throw to start off the point. Sure, they need to learn how to throw it, but 21- 0 isn't much of a lesson. I set up the club here. I run the club. I distribute the responsibility to my team, but I can tell you, if asked whether I would continue if I couldn't compete with my University team, I am unsure of the answer, given the amount of time and energy I sink into training/coaching them and dealing with the administrative issues. Is this really what we want to happen? The same is the case with the club in Milton Keynes. The Kows were started largely by a student whose experience exceeded that of the currently proposed limitation. What are we trying to do here? It's sort of funny, because the same rule went into effect my first year of student eligibility in the US. The University of Texas team had been to EVERY Collegiate outdoor UPA nationals since the beginning of their participation in the competition (8 years). They had so many ringers who had been playing for over 12 years it was silly. In that application, the rule really did make sense. This time, I just don't see it. Aaron Cranfield University Alien Nation From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Nov 28 21:37:31 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id UAA19996 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 20:51:01 GMT Received: from shrimp.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (ralf@shrimp [137.205.227.130]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA19942 for ; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 20:50:42 GMT Received: (from ralf@localhost) by shrimp.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id UAA23796 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 20:50:39 GMT Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 20:50:39 GMT From: Ralf Message-Id: <199711282050.UAA23796@shrimp.dcs.warwick.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: BFDF Events Reminder Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk British Flying Disc Federation Disc Events Diary ------------------------------------------------ Friday 7th November 1997 Sneekeys' Beginners' Indoor Tournament (2 days) [Beginners' Indoor Ultimate] URL: http://www.ed.ac.uk/~ultimate/beg1997.htm Contact Possum Address 2F3 33 Oxford Street Newington EDINBURGH EH8 9PQ Email D.J.Reid@sms.ed.ac.uk Sunday 9th November 1997 GB Training (Open and Women) (1 day) [Outdoor Ultimate] Wednesday 19th November 1997 Scottish League (1 day) [Outdoor Ultimate] URL: http://www.ed.ac.uk/~ultimate/ Saturday 29th November 1997 Village People Indoors (2 days) @ Trinity School, Croydon [Indoor Ultimate] Contact Paul Hurt Email paul@ultimatum.demon.co.uk Student Regional Qualifiers (Midlands) (2 days) @ Sheffield [Students' Indoor Ultimate] Contact Simon Weeks Email gga95sew@sheffield.ac.uk Phone 0114 222 9999 ext 52252 Wednesday 3rd December 1997 Scottish League (1 day) [Outdoor Ultimate] URL: http://www.ed.ac.uk/~ultimate/ Saturday 6th December 1997 Student Regional Qualifiers (South East) (2 days) @ Brighton [Students' Indoor Ultimate] Contact Kevin ??? 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Mon, 1 Dec 1997 10:43:03 GMT Received: from gcsin1.gecm.com (gcsin1.gecm.com [194.128.74.2]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA08691 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 10:43:00 GMT Received: from gcsin3.geccs.gecm.com by gcsin1.gecm.com; (5.65/1.1.8.2/13Mar95-0121PM) id AA22565; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 10:42:25 GMT Received: from gcschm.geccs.gecm.com by gcsin3.geccs.gecm.com; (5.65/1.1.8.2/13Mar95-1139AM) id AA23822; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 10:42:24 GMT Disclose-Recipients: prohibited Date: Mon, 01 Dec 1997 10:40:56 +0000 (GMT) From: "Giles Stoddard GNet (*701) 7948" Subject: Student Rules - 4 year limit To: britdisc (Reply requested) Message-Id: <4556401001121997/A02797/PLANET/11BC0AA83700*@MHS> Autoforwarded: false Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Importance: normal Ua-Content-Id: 11BC0AA83700 X400-Mts-Identifier: [;4556401001121997/A02797/PLANET] Hop-Count: 2 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk I agree with Aaron (Alien Nation), Alex (Mwnci See/UTI) and Wee Jim (Sneeeky's). This rule is not going to help Ultimate grow and we should be trying to raise the student standard rather than limit it. Let the best players play and the best team win. Also many postgrads have put so much effort into setting up new teams and this will only continue to happen if they can play at the Student tournaments themselves. Si said "In fact, the idea for this rule came mostly from Southampton where Dave Murray and Sonic in particular (they may care to agree...?) felt that a few experienced players could dominate the tournaments, (and had been doing so for some years - and they should know - they've been to most (all?) of them in the last 6 or 7 years I believe.)" To get over the problem of GB/very good players greatly improving student teams. If people like Dave and Sonic believe that they are giving an unfair advantage to their team, then they can always choose to NOT play at the Student tournaments ! Giles (SLUT/Tribal) - In the real world with a job now giles.stoddard@gecm.com From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Dec 1 21:34:04 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id VAA05353 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 21:17:37 GMT Received: from inet-user-gw-1.us.oracle.com (inet-user-gw-1.us.oracle.com [192.86.155.82]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA20166 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 11:35:02 GMT Received: from uks447 (uks447.uk.oracle.com [138.3.208.14]) by inet-user-gw-1.us.oracle.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA11661 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 03:31:22 -0800 (PST) Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA25404; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 11:32:58 GMT Message-Id: <199712011132.LAA25404@uks447> Date: 01 Dec 97 11:30:36 +0000 From: "David Eastman" To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk, britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Village Tournament MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.1.3.40) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Just to say thank you to Paul and Village People for organising this 14 team indoor tournament in South London. Nice venue, good facilities, and yes, good spirit. Best moment? Has to be Charlies last second catch against Mr Men - a final act of defiance in a match dominated by Watersheds persistance in playing a totally inappropriate zone. Great stuff! Thanks to everyone, David Eastman, PLAYTHINGS. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Dec 1 21:42:20 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id VAA05818 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 21:22:01 GMT Received: from oxmail4.ox.ac.uk (oxmail4.ox.ac.uk [163.1.2.33]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA14472 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 13:41:47 GMT Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk by oxmail4 with SMTP (PP) with ESMTP; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 13:41:32 +0000 Received: from localhost (immd0001@localhost) by ermine.ox.ac.uk (1.1/8.8.3) with SMTP id NAA16780 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 13:41:31 GMT Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 13:41:31 +0000 (GMT) From: paul meaney To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: calling anyone from blue arse flies... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk could you get in touch with me to see if you guys fancy a training session indoors against Shrub this weekend (I think that would be saturday the 6th?. please respond ASAP so I can kick a few lazy butts into gear. cheers, Paul //////////////////////////////////\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ ****************************************************************************** Kryten: sir, you must forgive Mr Rimmer, he's suffering from a stress- related nervous disorder Lister: Next time I see him he'll be suffering from a fist- related teeth disorder ****************************************************************************** \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\//////////////////////////////////////////// From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Dec 1 21:50:31 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id VAA07081 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 21:32:35 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA27891 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 14:44:54 GMT Received: from ultimatum.demon.co.uk ([158.152.203.174]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa2004109; 1 Dec 97 14:32 GMT Subject: Village Indoors Results Date: Mon, 1 Dec 97 14:35:55 +0000 x-sender: ultimatum@pop3.demon.co.uk x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: Paul Hurt To: BritDisc Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Message-ID: <880986752.204109.0@ultimatum.demon.co.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk First Village Indoors - November 29/30 1997 =========================================== Results ------- Final: U.T.T. 11 - 7 Chineapple Punks 1 UTT 2 Chineapple Punks 3 Slow White 4 Village 5 Mr Men 6 Blue Arse Flies 7 Watershed 8 Mohawks 9 Lurkers (Plate winners) 10 Playthings 11 Dump Frenzy 12 Whiplash 13 Chaos 14 Women In Black Spirit: Mohawks Anyone want to write a short report? - I spent so much time charging around like an idiot trying to keep things running smoothly, it's hard for me to comment. But thanks everyone for being there. And another public thankyou for the hard work put in by Laura on the food front, Lucy for the uniquely Village trophies, Charlie, Jim, Phil Cain, Terri, and anyone else who scored the games, Nick Haslam, the Village, and everyone else who gladly helped out in times of crisis. Any feedback on what people thought was good, and what was not so good would be appreciated for next year. Seemed to go down well enough for it to be worth becoming a regular event. But I'm sure we can do better here and there. Lost property ------------- Black plain-vanilla Ultrastar - standard star design Black Strange Blue fractal-design "BUF-approved" Ultrastar Yellow 145g Skyrider Brown-grey Thinsulate gloves Dark blue 1997 student indoors T-shirt XL Light grey "George" sweatshirt (thin blue stripe on collar) Mid-green "Amir" fleecy shorts Red Chaos polo shirt Faded black Kookai vest small Dark blue Village NotreDame 97 T-shirt with sleeves cut off (Charlie?) Black La Fotta t-shirt Medium (I want one of these, but it's not my size :-) White M+S bra (34C) This little haul will be making its way to the Southampton indoors. You can get it off me there. Lastly, has anyone come across a black Stan T-shirt? The owner really wants this back. See you all soon Paul --------------------------------------------------- Paul Hurt, Village People Ultimate Team paul@ultimatum.demon.co.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Dec 1 21:53:43 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id VAA07730 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 21:38:09 GMT Received: from ghwerig.mmu.ac.uk (ghwerig.mmu.ac.uk [149.170.190.136]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA05102 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 12:53:47 GMT Received: from yorktown.mmu.ac.uk [149.170.132.252] by ghwerig.mmu.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.70 #1) id 0xcVLs-00078f-00; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 12:53:28 +0000 Received: from MMU-HOL-YORKTOWN/SpoolDir by yorktown.mmu.ac.uk (Mercury 1.31); 1 Dec 97 12:53:46 GMT Received: from SpoolDir by MMU-HOL-YORKTOWN (Mercury 1.31); 1 Dec 97 12:53:44 GMT From: "Lawrence PAULSON" Organization: Manchester Metropolitan University To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 12:53:40 +GMT Subject: Mid Stud Indoor X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <82D850A0225@yorktown.mmu.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Dear All, The weekend saw the Midland Regional Student Indoors at Sheffield, and one of the most open tournaments I've ever been too. With qualifying places only open to the top 4, there were at least seven teams who were in with a chance of winning the tournament. The first upset of the tournament was last years champs, Bears, losing first place in their pool to Mwnci See of Aberystwyth, and later Superfly losing their crossover game to Low Flying Children (juniors from ???????? - was going to check on the BUF pages but they appear to be dead this morning). Speaking of Juniors, increasing the tournament from 16 to 18 teams meant it was good to see 3 juniors teams at the tournament, and as I said to Tatva Rats (after I circumvented all this talk about student eligibility by graduating 6 months ago and still managing to play at at a student tourny- although only as a pick-up for a team with only 4 players) it won't be so good to see them in a few years time when they come back and solidly whip our collective asses. Anyway, back to the tournament.... First game of the day on Sunday for the top 8 teams were the QFs, with the added spice of qualification places at stake. Mwnci See beat PhatEds II? in sudden death, Jesters cruised through against L.F.Children, before game of the tournament took place. Because they finished 2nd in their pool, Bears came up against the much fancied Phat Eds I playing on home turf. In a tense and heated game (which would have made a great final) with two large sets of supporters, the game was very even. Phat'Eds scored to tie the game with about a minute to go, only for the previous catch to be disputed. A drawn out discussion followed (apparently about who had the right to call the catch in or out) during which time the clock ran down. After much debate the score stood and the game went into overtime, only for the Bears to score and make it into the semis. The final QF was between Fingers6 I and Purple Haze I. For a third time this QF went to sudden death overtime, this time Purple Haze winning the prized final point. The fact that all the QFs were close affairs (certainly compared with last years QFs) shows what a hard tournament this was to qualify from! The semi's were won by Bears and Mwnci See respectively, and the final round of games, played on the full size pitch and fantasy Frisbee scorings rounded off the tournament. PhatEdsII had done remarkably well and reached the 5/6 play-offs where they met their own first team (with a tentative and unconfirmed 5th qualification place possibly, allegedly and rumoured to be available should more court-time be made available in Exeter). At one point the 2nds were leading 3-1 and a major upset looked possible, before the first team reasserted themselves. Phat'EdsIII won the spoon, and Bears II took the plate, then the final came between Bears I and Mwnci See. If some people reading this are wondering just who the hell Mwnci See are, then you should know that they are a team from Aberystwyth, who've only been formed for less than a year, and contain 99% new players (only Alex Evans of UTI has any experience to speak of). To reach the final in their first crack at the Student Indoors is nothing more than brilliant in my eyes. But enough of this sycophancy, they lost to Bears in the final who had the edge in terms of organisation and cutting ability, but MS made it very difficult for them. Spirit award went to Mwnci See II, which made me very happy because that's who I'd picked up for when they went down to 5, then 4 players, so I got a swig of vodka before making the drive home. Cheers lads! Special thanks should also go to Simon Weeks and the PhatEds for organising and running another well run tourney. Love & Luck, Lawrence Fingers 6 but picking up for Mwnci See 2, PhatEds4 and anybody else who'll have me, what a tart! From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Dec 1 21:57:19 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id VAA07578 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 21:36:34 GMT Received: from teaching.earth.ox.ac.uk (teachserv.earth.ox.ac.uk [163.1.22.10]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA07573 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 13:11:51 GMT Received: from teachpx12.earth.ox.ac.uk by teaching.earth.ox.ac.uk; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 13:11:46 GMT From: Phil Cooper To: Britdisc Subject: Re: Student eligibility Message-ID: Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 13:11:15 +0000 () X-Mailer: Simeon for Win32 Version 4.0.7 X-Authentication: none MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Dear All, Why do we have to penalise student teams with experienced players? The feelings we appear to be getting back here is that people are quite upset about these rules. So the BUF should show some sort of democracy and change them...... (yeah I know not everyone in the BUF has email but I know most of the students do!). Or is there some silent majority out there who aren't speaking up? My point is this, no one yet has totally convinced me as to why we should stop experienced players taking the field in student competitions. OK, so perhaps we want to stop a team winning the champs off the back of two or three experienced players but I don't see that as a problem because the thing is; Ultimate is a team game, you need five [or seven] on the pitch to play. Also in Alex Evans's case there would be no Mwnci See right now because what's the point in setting up a team in Aberystwyth when you can't play anyone as a member of that team? Since you play with a more experienced side in the outdoor season and you're not allowed to play indoors at students, and what's the point of taking a load of beginners the National indoors (no offence guys!). Another thing, Alex's point about "homogeneous swill fests" I think that this is possibly a little harsh but there are two things I want to say about this. The first is what is the point of reducing the overall standard of play in Student champs. But also didn't we just have a big discussion about how sometimes it can be useful to be truly whooped by a team...... I think the rules need to to kept simple because there's a real problem trying to enforce them. For instance take me, I picked up a disc when I got to uni but because of other sporting commitments I only got to one tournament in my first year, and that wasn't as a student. Only this year did I begin playing as a student with the student indoor regionals in Oxford in January, that was my second tournament!!! Where do I draw the line to say that I started playing..... I wouldn't like to even though I know how much I played and when things. If the rules over eligibility are going to involve experience how do we define how long someone has been playing. Or do we just limit the entry to undergrad, or what? The rule if it is to remain needs a tight definition! Even if we do have a tight definition how is it going to be enforced? How will we have any way of checking who's done what, and when? All in all I reckon that the rule about experience is a bad thing because it's a complication to teams, and a barrier to players wanting to play. I know that I'd be annoyed if I couldn't play in a tourney just because I was too experienced. I love tourneys, meeting my friends, and partying hard. But if I couldn't play then I know I wouldn't go because the whole thing would be too frustrating! So all I say to those who make the rules is keep it simple! Yup that's all folks..... Sorry it's such a monster! Phil Cooper (OW!) aka Rocks From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Dec 1 22:40:43 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id WAA12935 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 22:18:14 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA12916 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 22:18:07 GMT Received: from phidelta.demon.co.uk ([158.152.248.177]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa2029877; 1 Dec 97 22:11 GMT Message-ID: <+0T9lHAzBxg0Ewc8@phidelta.demon.co.uk> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 19:30:59 +0000 To: BritDisc From: Wayne Retter Reply-To: Sharon Carlin Subject: Re: aromatherapy and sport In-Reply-To: <3481e130.3126327@news.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Trial Version 3.03a Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk All Apologies to those of you who regard this as off-topic, but can anyone help with the following request posted to uk.sport.misc ? Please reply direct to Sharon if you can help. Regards Wayne Sharon Carlin writes >I am a final year student at the University of Wolverhampton, England, >studying hard for a BSc Hons in Sports Science. >My final dissertation concerns the possible positive training effects >that can be obtained from using certain essential oils that are >reputed to have an 'energising effect'. >If anyone has any experience in this area or knows of any studies that >have been carried out in this field could you please let me know. It's >an uncommon area to investigate and information is scarce. >Thanking you all, >Sharon. -------------------------- Wayne Retter Wayne@phidelta.demon.co.uk http://www.phidelta.demon.co.uk/ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Dec 1 22:49:05 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id WAA14157 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 22:29:41 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA14150 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 22:29:39 GMT Received: from phidelta.demon.co.uk ([158.152.248.177]) by post.mail.demon.net id ac2029876; 1 Dec 97 22:11 GMT Message-ID: <$2Gd1CAnBzg0Ew8c@phidelta.demon.co.uk> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 21:47:19 +0000 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: Wayne Retter Subject: Re: Student Rules - 4 year limit In-Reply-To: <4556401001121997/A02797/PLANET/11BC0AA83700*@MHS> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Trial Version 3.03a Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk I appreciate the point Giles (most recently) made regarding old experienced hands setting up new teams - some teams would (sadly) possibly never attend a tournament without their experienced players. But what do you do about those teams who can field experienced players to win, at the expense of the keen-but-still-undertalented recruits, especially where the clubs are large (eg Southampton, Warwick, Leeds?...) Obviously it's up to someone to make a decision, but does the player (Steve Shipley, for example) elect not to play for the team (Bears) because they have plenty of people without him, or does the team field it's strongest possible team, despite the player not being a regular part of their team, in order to win games and maybe titles, and what does the institution prefer? Or does the BUF issue some rules? If the experienced players coached the beginners throughout the year (Aaron, I don't include you in this) rather than dominating their game, would they need the experienced players on pitch? Or would they survive well enough with them on the sidelines, as before, coaching? Would the experienced players have the commitment to "merely" coach at the Student events? It struck me that they may not have that commitment. (Before somebody burns me to bits - I don't know that I could attend a tournament without hoping to play, unless I was in plaster!) The opinions expressed so far (and there must be more!) seem to be that the rules should change - but it's a bit late now to change them for the Student Indoors - one Regional event has already occurred (so someone would probably be at a disadvantage) and it's surely worth maintaining consistency for the National Championship. Maybe stop hassling for a little while but keep the ideas and opinions flowing, let Si Weeks write a couple of essays, and then sort it all out in time for the Student Outdoors? Wayne Retter PS: Where *exactly* can the BUSA (and someone mentioned another organisation, but I've deleted the mail) eligibility rules be found? I'd like an URL or book name - NOT an set quoted to BritDisc! -------------------------- Wayne Retter Wayne@phidelta.demon.co.uk http://www.phidelta.demon.co.uk/ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Dec 1 23:55:13 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id XAA21256 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 23:30:31 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.154]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA21250 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 23:30:29 GMT Received: from phidelta.demon.co.uk ([158.152.248.177]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa1011369; 1 Dec 97 22:42 GMT Message-ID: Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 22:36:27 +0000 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: Wayne Retter Subject: Re: Village Tournament In-Reply-To: <199712011132.LAA25404@uks447> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Trial Version 3.03a Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk I have to echo Dave's thanks to Paul for a great tournament - so good the Lurkers got there EARLY on both days :) About the following... >.... Watersheds persistance in playing a totally inappropriate zone... I have to say: - the sort of zone that got them a reasonable way against several younger, more mobile teams; - the sort of zone that I saw a group of Swedish masters (possibly all older than the Stan players) use to great advantage in a top-class Swedish tournament; - the sort of zone that got "Flamingo Trap" (a group of people who'd much sooner throw and run around outdoors, but proved they could stand around indoors with great effect) to 3rd place in their one and only indoor tournament, the BUF Nationals; - the sort of zone that LT/Team X/Godzilla/Playthings played occaisionally a few years back? Enough of the old memories, Thank you Paul (and Laura), for the new ones! Wayne Lurking in Green for a weekend. -------------------------- Wayne Retter Wayne@phidelta.demon.co.uk http://www.phidelta.demon.co.uk/ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Dec 2 10:21:08 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id JAA08940 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 09:57:14 GMT Received: from quay (quay.quay.ie [192.122.220.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA08926 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 09:57:10 GMT From: pbennison@csksoftware.com Received: from Tfs by quay with smtp (Aix Smail3.1.29.1 #2) id m0xcp4I-0001KtC; Tue, 2 Dec 97 09:56 GMT Message-Id: Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 9:47:24 +0000 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk, EuroDisc@ira.uka.de Subject: Dublin '98 dates ... X-Mailer: TFS Gateway /222000000/222030473/222002635/222082120/ Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hey folks, Just to let you know we've finalized the dates for the Dublin Ultimate tournie. It'll take place on April 4th, 5th (the week before Easter). More details to follow. Also note, my e-mail will be changing after this Friday (Dec 5th). For all Pooka related inquiries after that date, please mail Gareth McFeely (garreth.mcfeely@iveagh.irlgov.ie). Note that there _are_ two 'r's in the first name of his e-mail address. I'll post my new e-mail address when I get back online. Peter Pookas - Dublin Ultimate From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Dec 2 12:11:44 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id LAA29637 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 11:43:51 GMT Received: from cyberguard (mailgate.cablecorporation.co.uk [195.173.20.38]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA29598 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 11:43:41 GMT X-Mailer: BeyondMail for Windows/Professional 2.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; boundary="BeyondBoundary_2_Tue_Dec_02_11:43:40_1997__4823" To: Britdisc Subject: Student eligibility - I've had enough Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 11:43:28 -0800 X-BeyondMail-Priority: 1 Reply-To: Mark Wideberg In-Reply-To: Conversation-Id: Message-Id: From: Mark Wideberg Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk --BeyondBoundary_2_Tue_Dec_02_11:43:40_1997__4823 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Excuse me but do you think you guys could take your discussion elsewhere? By now you should know who each other are so why don't you just email each other instead of bombarding Britdisc. It's a worthy discussion, it's just that not everyone needs to know about it. Mark --BeyondBoundary_2_Tue_Dec_02_11:43:40_1997__4823 Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="ATTRIBS.BND" Content-Transfer-Encoding: Base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="ATTRIBS.BND" QmV5b25kIFBhY2tlZCBBdHRyaWJ1dGVzACEtABYAKAAAAAAAU3R1ZGVudCBl bGlnaWJpbGl0eSAtIEkndmUgaGFkIGVub3VnaAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AG1hcmtfd2lkZWJlcmcAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA8Qk1TTVRQODgxMDkxNjcyMm1h cmt3aWQAQmV5b25kIFByb3ByaWV0YXJ5IERhdGEaAAAAAAQAAAAAAAAADwAt AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAQ29udmVyc2F0aW9uIElkLDxTSU1FT04u OTcxMjAxMTMxNS5BQGNhYmxlY29ycG9yYXRpb24uY28udWs+BAAAAAAAAAAQ AAkAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABNZXNzYWdlIEVuY29kaW5nCElTTy04 ODU5AQAAAAAAAAAVAAMAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABVc2UgUHJvcG9y dGlvbmFsIEZvbnQBAAEJAAAAAAAAAA0ANAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AFByZXZpb3VzIEZyb20zUGhpbCBDb29wZXIgPFBoaWxpcC5Db29wZXJAdGVh Y2hpbmcuZWFydGgub3guYWMudWs+DQAAAAAAAAALADcAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAABQcmV2aW91cyBUbzUAlD0BAAkA//8mAAAAAiYAJUJyaXRkaXNj IDxicml0ZGlzY0Bjc3Yud2Fyd2ljay5hYy51az4NAAAAAAAAAAsANwAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAE9yaWdpbmFsIHRvNQCUPQEACQD//yYAAAACJgAl QnJpdGRpc2MgPGJyaXRkaXNjQGNzdi53YXJ3aWNrLmFjLnVrPhEAAAAAAAAA DQAGAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT3JpZ2luYWwgdGV4dAAAAAAAABEA AAAAAAAABADLAQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAVGV4dBABRXhjdXNlIG1l IGJ1dCBkbyB5b3UgdGhpbmsgeW91IGd1eXMgY291bGQgdGFrZSB5b3VyIGRp c2N1c3Npb24gZWxzZXdoZXJlPwoKQnkgbm93IHlvdSBzaG91bGQga25vdyB3 aG8gZWFjaCBvdGhlciBhcmUgc28gd2h5IGRvbid0IHlvdSBqdXN0IGVtYWls IGVhY2ggb3RoZXIgaW5zdGVhZCBvZiBib21iYXJkaW5nIEJyaXRkaXNjLgoK SXQncyBhIHdvcnRoeSBkaXNjdXNzaW9uLCBpdCdzIGp1c3QgdGhhdCBub3Qg ZXZlcnlvbmUgbmVlZHMgdG8ga25vdyBhYm91dCBpdC4KCk1hcmu1AAMAEAGu AAEAAQAAAAcAAQABAAEAEAEAAAAAAAA4/wAAAAAAAJABAAAAAAAAAABNUyBT YW5zIFNlcmlmAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABAAEASgABAEsASwAB AEwAvAABAL0AvQABAL4ACwEBAAwBDAEBAA0BEQEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABkAAGk AQFIAwHsBAGQBgE0CAHYCQF8CwEgDQHEDgFoEAEMEgGwEwFUFQH4FgAAAAAA AAAAAAAAEAAGAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAQXR0YWNobWVudCBDb3Vu dAQAAAAAAA== --BeyondBoundary_2_Tue_Dec_02_11:43:40_1997__4823-- From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Dec 2 12:14:05 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id LAA00403 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 11:47:12 GMT Received: from freebsd.webleicester.co.uk (freebsd.webleicester.co.uk [195.134.2.35]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA00346 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 11:47:05 GMT Received: from ultimateweb ([195.146.160.145]) by freebsd.webleicester.co.uk (8.8.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA03507 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 11:50:21 GMT Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 11:41:40 -0000 Message-ID: <01BCFF17.4132CBF0.scott@webleicester.co.uk> From: Ian Scotland To: "britdisc (E-mail)" Subject: BUF Pages Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 11:41:39 -0000 Organization: WEBLEICESTER X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Apologies, but the BUF web pages will be down until at least tommorrow. The ISP hosting the BUF server is moving (physically) and this is causing some disruption to their services. Sorry Scott From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Dec 2 12:19:21 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id LAA00812 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 11:49:17 GMT Received: from mailgate.city.ac.uk (mailgate.city.ac.uk [138.40.12.3]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA00799 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 11:49:13 GMT Received: from netmail.city.ac.uk [138.40.12.1] by mailgate.city.ac.uk with smtp (City SMTP listener 1.71 #1) id 0xcql5-00065y-00; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 11:44:55 +0000 Received: from donovan.city.ac.uk [138.40.85.16] by netmail.city.ac.uk with smtp (City Mailer 1.73 #1) id 0xcqox-0002fI-00; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 11:48:55 +0000 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "AILES G M" To: Britdisc Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 11:53:53 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Student eligibility X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Message-Id: Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Dear All, I have been reading the e-mails on student eligibility with much interest and would like to throw my twopence in for good measure. So far lots of good points have been raised on all sides: yes, it is a bit dodgy to allow 1 or more eternal students to dominate a side and even a tournament at student level. In addition we would not want postgrads to be put off from starting up new teams on the basis that they would be barred from playing at student national level. (Remembering that there are lots of 'mixed' tournaments where eligibility isn't in question). There have also been good points raised on the difficulties some people have if they are postgrads but have only just started playing. We don't want to discourage these people either. What all this leads me to believe is that there can be no hard and fast rules on the subject. I'm pretty sure there is someone in charge of student nationals who sits on the BUF. Couldn't that person get together with a couple of others and form a kind of eligibility committee deciding each case on its merits. The invites to student nationals would clearly set out that every team would be under a duty to inform the committee and request an eligibility ruling on any candidate it wasn't sure of, setting out any arguments it would like to be considered. The judgement of this committee would be based on certain agreed guidelines loosely aiming towards the promotion of good quality student Ultimate. I know this may seem like a hassle but it would only have to be done once a year. You would have a deadline by which time all eligibility applications would have to be made and then all the applications could be considered together. It sounds like there would be quite a few applications made but I don't think an unmanageable number of these would be contentious. Thanks for having a read of this to all those who got this far but I would like to add as an aside that when I played for the Bears in my first year on the B Team we came last in every single tournament we entered. That team included Steve Shipley, Rachel and Shirley all of GB fame. In our last year we won several tournaments including Newport with not a postgrad among us. Gavin Ailes (Angels/SLUT) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Dec 2 12:33:33 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id LAA02441 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 11:57:47 GMT Received: from pp2.shef.ac.uk (pp2.shef.ac.uk [143.167.1.32]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA02423 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 11:57:42 GMT Received: from pebley.shef.ac.uk [143.167.79.249] by pp2.shef.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.73 #1) id 0xcqxR-00005T-00; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 11:57:41 +0000 Received: from PEBLEY/SpoolDir by pebley.shef.ac.uk (Mercury 1.32); 2 Dec 97 11:57:39 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by PEBLEY (Mercury 1.32); 2 Dec 97 11:57:33 +0000 From: "Simon Weeks" To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 11:57:26 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Student Indoor Midland Qualifiers Results X-mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.31 Message-ID: <1241E875D90@pebley.shef.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Here is the list of final placings of the student qualifiers here in Sheffield. 1. Bears I (WINNERS) 2. Mwnci See I 3. Purple Haze 4. Jesters 5. Phat 'eds I 6. Phat 'eds II 7. Fingers 6 I 8. Low Flying Children (Juniors from Derby) 9. Bears II (PLATE) 10. Superfly 11. Mwnci See II (SPIRIT) 12. Fingers 6 II 13. Tatva Rats (Juniors from Wolverhampton) 14. Phat 'eds IV 15. Nads (Juniors from Newport, Shropshire) 16. Jesters II 17. Phat 'eds III (SPOON) 18. Bears III The tournament also saw us raise 35 pounds for Children in Need, as a result of the Fantasy Frisbee League. Welshy (Alex, Mwnci See) won the league, whilst Neil (Purple Haze) won MVP. Look out for Fantasy Frisbee as it reaches the Student Finals in Feb. (date and venue to be confirmed by the end of the week). Finally lost property... Pair og glasses Black T-shirt with tree on front Sonic T-shirt Saltrock tracksuit trousers Bloggs plain white T-shirt M&S plain white T-shirt Black jeans ALSO Mark form Jesters lost his Jester top. If anyone knows it's whereabouts let me know. Thanks, Simon. P.S. Student eligibility announcement to be made later today.################################################### simon weeks sorby hall, endcliffe vale road, sheffield, s10 3es tel. 0114 222 9999 extension 52252 email: gga95sew@sheffield.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Dec 2 15:17:11 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id OAA06572 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 14:49:35 GMT Received: from clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@clover-fddi [137.205.4.2]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA22590 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 13:49:01 GMT Received: from serenity.mcc.ac.uk (serenity.mcc.ac.uk [130.88.200.93]) by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA25684 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 12:18:18 GMT Received: from ccg.acu.man.ac.uk [130.88.17.200] by serenity.mcc.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.73 #3) id 0xcrHL-0001Jr-00; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 12:18:15 +0000 Received: from ccMail by ccg.acu.man.ac.uk (ccMail Link to SMTP R6.00.02) id AA881064780; Tue, 02 Dec 97 12:15:09 GMT Message-Id: <9712028810.AA881064780@ccg.acu.man.ac.uk> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R6.00.02 Date: Tue, 02 Dec 97 12:16:05 GMT From: "Rob Mitchell" To: Subject: Re: Student eligibility - I've had enough MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk yeah you guys, whaddya think this is? a discussion forum?? ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Student eligibility - I've had enough Author: Mark Wideberg at smtpgate Date: 02/12/97 11:43 Excuse me but do you think you guys could take your discussion elsewhere? By now you should know who each other are so why don't you just email each other instead of bombarding Britdisc. It's a worthy discussion, it's just that not everyone needs to know about it. Mark From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Dec 2 15:20:28 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id OAA07797 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 14:55:22 GMT Received: from pp2.shef.ac.uk (pp2.shef.ac.uk [143.167.1.32]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA27225; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 14:12:18 GMT Received: from pebley.shef.ac.uk [143.167.79.249] by pp2.shef.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.73 #1) id 0xct2J-0004t0-00; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 14:10:51 +0000 Received: from PEBLEY/SpoolDir by pebley.shef.ac.uk (Mercury 1.32); 2 Dec 97 14:10:50 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by PEBLEY (Mercury 1.32); 2 Dec 97 14:10:36 +0000 From: "Simon Weeks" To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 14:10:35 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Student Eligibility Rule Changes CC: Student.Indoor.Qualifiers.Student.Directors@csv.warwick.ac.uk, All.University.Ultimate.Teams@csv.warwick.ac.uk X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <12656581630@pebley.shef.ac.uk> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-printable to 8bit by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id OAA27229 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Si, Here is what I am probably going to send out to Britdisc later on today. What do you think? Feel free to edit it if you think it makes it clearer or less controversial. Having absorbed all the feedback form the original email on student eligibility rules, it does seem clear that there is a general consensus for the changing of the four year ruling. However, I believe it would be unfair to change it after one qualifier has already taken place and just four days before the other three student qualifiers are due to take place. We have no way of knowing whether we would be able to notify everyone by then let alone whether those previously ineligible would have left the weekend free on the off chance that the rules would get changed. Therefore I have decided that the rules must stay enforce for the Student Indoors tournaments this year with a view to reviewing them prior to the outdoor season in the spring. I will be making a decision on the rule change over Christmas, so if there are any people who would still like to have their two penneth then feel free to email me (though not Britdisc) or speak to me at Southampton Indoors or GB. I would particularly like to hear from the students themselves when they have participated in the qualifiers without the more experienced types, whether they think it is better, worse or whether there is a need to limit the number of experienced players on the pitch at one time. Time for me to get some essays done, Thanks for everyone’s input, Si. P.S. Anyone failing to contact Shaun Lohman (Northern Qualifier Tournament Director) his telephone number is 01524 847230. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Dec 2 16:43:36 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id QAA25344 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 16:13:24 GMT Received: from cyberguard (mailgate.cablecorporation.co.uk [195.173.20.38]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA16234 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 13:13:05 GMT X-Mailer: BeyondMail for Windows/Professional 2.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; boundary="BeyondBoundary_7_Tue_Dec_02_13:13:27_1997__2CD6" To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Stud. Elig. Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 13:13:16 -0800 X-BeyondMail-Priority: 1 Reply-To: Mark Wideberg Conversation-Id: Message-Id: From: Mark Wideberg Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk --BeyondBoundary_7_Tue_Dec_02_13:13:27_1997__2CD6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit I've been well & truely told off. I'll leave you to it then.... Mark PS Thanks for your responses. There were some interesting views. --BeyondBoundary_7_Tue_Dec_02_13:13:27_1997__2CD6 Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="ATTRIBS.BND" Content-Transfer-Encoding: Base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="ATTRIBS.BND" QmV5b25kIFBhY2tlZCBBdHRyaWJ1dGVzACE8ABEAKAAAAAAAU3R1ZC4gRWxp Zy4AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AG1hcmtfd2lkZWJlcmcAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA8Qk1TTVRQODgxMDk3MDQ1MTht YXJrd2kAQmV5b25kIFByb3ByaWV0YXJ5IERhdGEaAAAAAAQAAAAAAAAADwA8 AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAQ29udmVyc2F0aW9uIElkOzxCTVNNVFA4 ODEwOTcwNDUxOW1hcmt3aWRlQHNtdHBnYXRlLmNhYmxlY29ycG9yYXRpb24u Y28udWs+BAAAAAAAAAAQAAkAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABNZXNzYWdl IEVuY29kaW5nCElTTy04ODU5AQAAAAAAAAAVAAMAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAABVc2UgUHJvcG9ydGlvbmFsIEZvbnQBAAERAAAAAAAAAAQARAEAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAFRleHSJAEkndmUgYmVlbiB3ZWxsICYgdHJ1ZWx5 IHRvbGQgb2ZmLiAKCkknbGwgbGVhdmUgeW91IHRvIGl0IHRoZW4uLi4uCgpN YXJrCgpQUyBUaGFua3MgZm9yIHlvdXIgcmVzcG9uc2VzLiBUaGVyZSB3ZXJl IHNvbWUgaW50ZXJlc3Rpbmcgdmlld3MutQADAIkArgABAAEAAAAHAAEAAQAB AIkAAAAAAAAAOP8AAAAAAACQAQAAAAAAAAAATVMgU2FucyBTZXJpZgAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAQABACMAAQAkACQAAQAlAEIAAQBDAEMAAQBE AEgAAQBJAEkAAQBKAIoAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAZAABpAEBSAMB7AQBkAYBNAgB 2AkBfAsBIA0BxA4BaBABDBIBsBMBVBUB+BYJAAAAAAAAAAAAABAABgAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAEF0dGFjaG1lbnQgQ291bnQEAAAAAAA= --BeyondBoundary_7_Tue_Dec_02_13:13:27_1997__2CD6-- From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Dec 2 17:39:01 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id RAA10297 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 17:21:35 GMT Received: from oxmail4.ox.ac.uk (oxmail4.ox.ac.uk [163.1.2.33]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA10027 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 12:33:59 GMT Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk by oxmail4 with SMTP (PP) with ESMTP; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 12:33:53 +0000 Received: from localhost (immd0001@localhost) by ermine.ox.ac.uk (1.1/8.8.3) with SMTP id MAA11086 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 12:33:52 GMT Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 12:33:52 +0000 (GMT) From: paul meaney To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: student eligibiltiy - never enough Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk All I can say is keep the discussion going. How many people have learned to play Ultimate as a student and gone on to compete futher at national and international level? With the number of junior teams increasing, the pool of talented players entering universities is increasing, and should speed up the learning curve of those who are introduced to the game in establishments of higher drinking,*ahem* I mean learning :-) This need to be sorted out. New University teams are springing up all the time, and their growth needs to be encouraged, not hindered. At the same time those more established clubs can gain the university stamp of apporval by getting their sport made a 'blue'. the more universities that have Ultimate as a sport which you can get colours, the stronger the case for Utimate being made a BUSA sport. But to get a blue, you need to win, to win you need your strongest team. Britdisc is a forum for the discussion of *all* aspects of disc sports. This is an important topic, and needs as much input as possible to arrive at a sensible outcome. Paul. //////////////////////////////////\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ ****************************************************************************** Kryten: sir, you must forgive Mr Rimmer, he's suffering from a stress- related nervous disorder Lister: Next time I see him he'll be suffering from a fist- related teeth disorder ****************************************************************************** \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\//////////////////////////////////////////// From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Dec 2 17:42:57 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id RAA11091 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 17:25:36 GMT Received: from amsta.leeds.ac.uk (amsta.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA12486 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 12:47:35 GMT Received: from newton.leeds.amsta (newton.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.64]) by amsta.leeds.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA13833 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 12:48:09 GMT Received: by newton.leeds.amsta (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id MAA25584; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 12:49:04 GMT Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 12:49:04 GMT From: amtsjh@amsta.leeds.ac.uk (S J Hill) Message-Id: <199712021249.MAA25584@newton.leeds.amsta> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: we need opinions... (students elig.) Content-Type: X-sun-attachment Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk ---------- X-Sun-Data-Type: text X-Sun-Data-Description: text X-Sun-Data-Name: text X-Sun-Charset: us-ascii X-Sun-Content-Lines: 51 > Excuse me but do you think you guys could take your discussion elsewhere? > > By now you should know who each other are so why don't you just email each > other instead of bombarding Britdisc. > > It's a worthy discussion, it's just that not everyone needs to know about it. > > Mark If you've seen all this before with maillists please just delete this... Also - I guess that about 3 or 4 people will reply to Mark's message - and from there it can really snowball. I'm only replying becuase I wanted to make an "official comment" as Director of Competitions. Mark (and anyone else feeling a bit like that) As someone who is involved in the sort of decision that is currently being discussed (by nearly as many non-students as students) I find it extremely useful to hear what people think and feel on these things. I don't suppose I am alone in this. All the comments - with the possible exception of one - had very clear subject headings. This makes it very easy to delete the message. Please don't frighten people away from saying what they think. There hasn't been very much pointless jibbering, and nobody has been insulted - a far cry from earlier debates. (Personally I enjoyed the discussion about toilet rolls at Ross-on-Wye; but that sort of thing never happens anymore.) BD is our best means of gauging opinions. (Altho' it remains important to remember that not all ultimate players are represented here.) We don't have the time or money to conduct this sort of thing on the phone. And for people who are frequently involved in running tournaments for example there isn't much time left for discussing things there either. In this case, it would appear that a bad rule has been put in place. Without people saying so (on BD - cos there's nowhere else) we might never really know. Si ---------- X-Sun-Data-Type: octet-stream X-Sun-Encoding-Info: Base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="ATTRIBS.BND" X-Sun-Content-Length: 1843 X-Sun-Charset: us-ascii X-Sun-Content-Lines: 31 QmV5b25kIFBhY2tlZCBBdHRyaWJ1dGVzACEtABYAKAAAAAAAU3R1ZGVudCBl bGlnaWJpbGl0eSAtIEkndmUgaGFkIGVub3VnaAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AG1hcmtfd2lkZWJlcmcAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA8Qk1TTVRQODgxMDkxNjcyMm1h cmt3aWQAQmV5b25kIFByb3ByaWV0YXJ5IERhdGEaAAAAAAQAAAAAAAAADwAt AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAQ29udmVyc2F0aW9uIElkLDxTSU1FT04u OTcxMjAxMTMxNS5BQGNhYmxlY29ycG9yYXRpb24uY28udWs+BAAAAAAAAAAQ AAkAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABNZXNzYWdlIEVuY29kaW5nCElTTy04 ODU5AQAAAAAAAAAVAAMAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABVc2UgUHJvcG9y dGlvbmFsIEZvbnQBAAEJAAAAAAAAAA0ANAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AFByZXZpb3VzIEZyb20zUGhpbCBDb29wZXIgPFBoaWxpcC5Db29wZXJAdGVh Y2hpbmcuZWFydGgub3guYWMudWs+DQAAAAAAAAALADcAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAABQcmV2aW91cyBUbzUAlD0BAAkA//8mAAAAAiYAJUJyaXRkaXNj IDxicml0ZGlzY0Bjc3Yud2Fyd2ljay5hYy51az4NAAAAAAAAAAsANwAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAE9yaWdpbmFsIHRvNQCUPQEACQD//yYAAAACJgAl QnJpdGRpc2MgPGJyaXRkaXNjQGNzdi53YXJ3aWNrLmFjLnVrPhEAAAAAAAAA DQAGAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT3JpZ2luYWwgdGV4dAAAAAAAABEA AAAAAAAABADLAQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAVGV4dBABRXhjdXNlIG1l IGJ1dCBkbyB5b3UgdGhpbmsgeW91IGd1eXMgY291bGQgdGFrZSB5b3VyIGRp c2N1c3Npb24gZWxzZXdoZXJlPwoKQnkgbm93IHlvdSBzaG91bGQga25vdyB3 aG8gZWFjaCBvdGhlciBhcmUgc28gd2h5IGRvbid0IHlvdSBqdXN0IGVtYWls IGVhY2ggb3RoZXIgaW5zdGVhZCBvZiBib21iYXJkaW5nIEJyaXRkaXNjLgoK SXQncyBhIHdvcnRoeSBkaXNjdXNzaW9uLCBpdCdzIGp1c3QgdGhhdCBub3Qg ZXZlcnlvbmUgbmVlZHMgdG8ga25vdyBhYm91dCBpdC4KCk1hcmu1AAMAEAGu AAEAAQAAAAcAAQABAAEAEAEAAAAAAAA4/wAAAAAAAJABAAAAAAAAAABNUyBT YW5zIFNlcmlmAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABAAEASgABAEsASwAB AEwAvAABAL0AvQABAL4ACwEBAAwBDAEBAA0BEQEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABkAAGk AQFIAwHsBAGQBgE0CAHYCQF8CwEgDQHEDgFoEAEMEgGwEwFUFQH4FgAAAAAA AAAAAAAAEAAGAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAQXR0YWNobWVudCBDb3Vu dAQAAAAAAA== From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Dec 2 17:46:46 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id RAA09304 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 17:16:20 GMT Received: from E-MAIL.COM (e-mail.com [204.146.168.195]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA11986 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 12:45:30 GMT Received: from IMXGATE.COM by E-MAIL.COM (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with BSMTP id 8407; Tue, 02 Dec 97 07:45:26 EST Received: from cybeles.greigfester.com by imxgate.com (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with TCP; Tue, 02 Dec 97 07:45:24 EST Received: by cybeles.greigfester.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.993.5) id <01BCFF20.A753E1E0@cybeles.greigfester.com>; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 12:48:57 -0000 Message-ID: From: "Wagstaff, Colin" To: "'Mark Wideberg'" Cc: "'Britdisc'" Subject: RE: Student eligibility - I've had enough Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 12:48:56 -0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.993.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Mark, Further to your mail requesting the discussion on Student eligibility to be continued elsewhere:- I do not know who you are, perhaps you know me, perhaps not. But isn't that the point of Britdisc, to give Disc Sport Enthusiasts a medium to convey their views and opinions on Disc Sport related matters. With all due respect I and I'm sure many other former students are very interested in this discussion, as a vast proportion of the Disc Sport playing community does eminate from University's. Please let the discussion continue. Colin Wagstaff. Currently, UTI. Former, President of Warwick University Frisbee Club >---------- >From: Mark Wideberg[SMTP:mark_wideberg@cablecorporation.co.uk] >Sent: 02 December 1997 19:43 >To: Britdisc >Subject: Student eligibility - I've had enough > ><> >Excuse me but do you think you guys could take your discussion elsewhere? > >By now you should know who each other are so why don't you just email each >other instead of bombarding Britdisc. > >It's a worthy discussion, it's just that not everyone needs to know about it. > >Mark > > From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Dec 3 21:23:54 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id VAA05133 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 21:01:46 GMT Received: from clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@clover-fddi [137.205.4.2]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA05120 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 21:01:42 GMT Received: from calisto.ccc.cranfield.ac.uk (calisto.ccc.cranfield.ac.uk [138.250.1.172]) by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA18406 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 18:21:51 GMT Received: from CAP109.PC.CRANFIELD.AC.UK by calisto with SMTP (PP); Wed, 3 Dec 1997 18:13:52 +0000 Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 18:16:58 GMT From: aaron altman Subject: Southampton Indoors, last weekend To: British Disc Discussion Group Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk I just wanted thank Squaddie and all of the Skunks for great hospitality and a wonderful tournament and venue last weekend. I think every team there had a great time (perhaps a little too good for one of the teams, not showing up Sunday at all), and given that the number of teams attending wasn't known until the day of the tournament, the organization was excellent. Also, the baths in the Student Union Building were perfect for an old man like myself. Thanks again, and for all of the teams who complain about not having enough indoor tournaments, Where were you last weekend???? Aaron Cranfield Alien Nation From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Dec 3 21:30:37 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id VAA07086 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 21:10:23 GMT Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@thistle [137.205.128.4]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA07056 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 21:10:19 GMT Received: from www11-gui.server.virgin.net (www11-gui.server.virgin.net [194.168.54.17]) by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA24311 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 15:12:04 GMT Received: from default ([194.168.58.171]) by www11-gui.server.virgin.net (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO203-101c) ID# 0-0U10L2S100) with SMTP id AAA23748 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 15:11:58 +0000 Message-ID: <348482D7.1A59@virgin.net> Date: Tue, 02 Dec 1997 21:51:19 +0000 From: Robert Trup Reply-To: rob.trup@virgin.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-VN709-003 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Room in ultimate friendly house Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk We have a Small room to rent in Sought after Muswell Hill location (North London) with illustrious ultimate history Available now! Please call Rob on 0181 442 0995 From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Dec 3 21:39:48 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id VAA09548 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 21:19:22 GMT Received: from brookes.ac.uk (csmail.brookes.ac.uk [161.73.1.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA12068 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 13:48:06 GMT Received: from 97315250 by brookes.ac.uk (8.8.7/SMI-SVR4) id NAA28248; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 13:48:00 GMT Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 13:48:00 GMT From: jewell tara s <97315250@brookes.ac.uk> Message-Id: <199712031348.NAA28248@brookes.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Brookes Windows Client ver. 4.2b To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Women's Indoor Nationals Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk All women's/girls' teams of all ages and levels of (in)experience! Womens Indoor Nationals are on 17/18th January, 1998 in Oxford. Cost (including party, prizes, BUF tax) L58.00 per team. Please send cheques, payable to Tara Jewell, with team name and contact to: Tara Jewell, 10 Tyndale Road, Oxford OX4 1JL. Tel: 01865 246158 e-mail: 97315250@brookes.ac.uk Max. no. of teams - 16. Closing date for entries: lst January, 1998. If you would like to play at the tournament but cannot field a full team, please contact me ASAP. A database has been put together of women players' contact details to send this type of info. (including details of GB training sessions). If you have not received an e-mail tournament invite or posted tournament invite from me by Friday you are not yet on it!!!!! If you would like to be please contact me by phone, mail or e-mail with your name, contact address, phone no, e-mail no, date of birth and any alternative contact details. The T.D.'s for the 3 remaining student qualifiers this weekend (North, SE, SW) will hopefully have copies of the invite to give out to anybody who has missed this information. Cheers! Tara From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Dec 3 21:43:49 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id VAA10557 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 21:23:06 GMT Received: from hil-img-3.compuserve.com (hil-img-3.compuserve.com [149.174.177.133]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA03994 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 20:20:41 GMT Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by hil-img-3.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/2.9) id PAA24190 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 15:20:08 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 15:04:13 -0500 From: Ian Stebbing <106040.3441@compuserve.com> Subject: Village indoors and zone D To: britdisc Message-ID: <199712031504_MC2-2A93-F238@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id UAA03998 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk I agree David Eastman, you gotta love a last minute huck to Charlie in the end zone. At least we didn't roll over and die. As for our inappropriate zone, you can bet if we had a chance in hell of successfully playing anything else, we would have tried it (and then probably gone back to zone!). But, with one injured and unfit player (Ian), one other unfit player (me), one player who was returning to the game from a long hiatus (Dave), and only four other players- hey, we did the best we could. But I have to say- for a bunch of players who were playing together for the first time- it worked surprisingly well. In fact, except for the Chineapple Punks game, who very intelligently dissected the zone- it worked like a charm when Watershed were playing the zone properly and as a team. Watch out, 'cause we'll get our crap together eventually. Maybe we'll even learn to play man-on man defense. But I doubt it. Thanks for the great time Paul and Village. Nancy Stebbing Watershed, lately anyway From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Dec 4 13:58:30 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id NAA19170 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 13:17:50 GMT Received: from bowden.uces.bangor.ac.uk (bowden.bangor.ac.uk [147.143.15.1] (may be forged)) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA04107 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 09:46:28 GMT Received: from JEFFPC.uces.bangor.ac.uk by bowden.uces.bangor.ac.uk (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA22715; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 09:45:54 GMT Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 09:43:44 GMT From: Jeff Jackson Reply-To: j.f.jackson@uces.bangor.ac.uk Subject: Lost at Village Indoors... To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Message-ID: Delivery-Receipt-To: Jeff Jackson MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk At some point last weekend I managed to misplace a blue Karrimor Western Isles fleece with a set of keys in one pocket. I'd appreciate any information on its whereabouts. Thanks, Jeff. ------------------------------------------------------------------ Unit for Coastal and Estuarine Studies Tel: +44 (0) 1248 713808 Marine Science Laboratories Fax: +44 (0) 1248 716729 Menai Bridge, Anglesey, Wales, UK Email: jfj@uces.bangor.ac.uk ------------------------------------------------------------------ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Dec 4 16:51:19 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id PAA15694 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 15:59:03 GMT Received: from renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk (renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk [129.215.13.3]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA15621 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 15:58:38 GMT Received: from eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk (eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk [129.215.13.1]) by renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA05305; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 15:58:35 GMT Message-Id: <199712041558.PAA05305@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> Received: from SMS-EIGG/SpoolDir by eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk (Mercury 1.31); 4 Dec 97 15:58:36 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by SMS-EIGG (Mercury 1.31); 4 Dec 97 15:58:07 +0000 From: "James Spicer" <9550732@eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk> To: Britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 15:57:57 +0000 Subject: Student Elig and SUSA/BUSA CC: Paul Atkins , Colin Lennox , Markus Didion , sh4@st-andrews.ac.uk, rs@dcs.st-and.ac.uk, bau96188@ccsun.strath.ac.uk X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Dear All Wayne Retter has asked for the hard copy of the BUSA student eliglibity rules. I spoke to Edinburgh sports union president about getting SUSA (Scottish University Sports Association) recognition for the Scottish League now up and running in Scotland, and regulations of eligibility seemed quite clear to her with regard to BUSA and SUSA in that:- ANY full time Matriculated student of Edinburgh University is allowed to play of the said sport. Ie in Edinburgh's case students at Heriot Watt or Napier Uni would not be allowed to play in a student tournament/league that was affiliated to BUSA or SUSA. Also any student of that institution could play regardless of experience etc.. I did ask for a hard copy of BUSA regulations and she wasn't sure where she could get her hands on one if there is one. Although there must be some consitution kicking around somewhere. With regard of getting SUSA recognition she was quite optimistic, as we have 6 Uni's in the league. To get SUSA recognition first off the sport has to be recognised by the sports union presidents which they are, if part of the university sports union. The SUSA committee then will discuss and decide the proposal of the league being affliated to SUSA. (SUSA committee comprises of all the Sports union presidents in Scotland ) How ultimate will benefit from recognition I don't know yet, the chair person of SUSA will be in contact with me soon to discuss more about what it is all about, how we can benefit and what exactly we have to do etc. I will keep you posted. At the moment teams could lose out if some players are eliminated for playing as they are not in the right university, but this could serve as a catalyst for them setting up clubs of their own in their own uni. Official recognition from official sporting bodies can only be an overall benefit for ultimate as a whole. Although we would perhaps have to play by their rules rather than our own. cheers James From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Dec 4 19:04:06 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id SAA16422 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 18:25:05 GMT Received: from [137.205.222.1] (mac-wie-31 [137.205.222.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA12696 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 10:05:06 GMT Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 10:05:06 GMT X-Sender: serai@mail.csv.warwick.ac.uk Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: Dave Neilson Subject: GB Masters Training Session Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk GB MASTERS ========== Just a reminder that the first practice will be Sunday 7 December at 11am at Warwick University (in Coventry). On the 6 December we will also have an unofficial practice session with the current Warwick Bears side for anyone who wants to turn up for the weekend. The planned format for Saturday (which is the last weekend of term at Warwick) will be a sort of coaching session with the 'old masters' passing on knowledge and skills which they have honed over the eons they have been playing to the latest batch of 'stars-to-be' at the longest surviving British Ultimate club (this being their 21st season of uninterrupted Ultimate at Warwick University). Plenty of pick-up Ultimate and fancy throws, I imagine. If any of the masters really do not know how to get to Warwick University (or more likely their memory has completed dissolved in the excesses of their miss-spent youth) - then please contact Wayne Davey (H: 01225 462 212; E: wmd4@student.open.ac.uk) or myself. The meeting point will probably be the main Ultimate pitch alongside the path to Tescos from 11am both days. This is best described as being down the slope of the car park outside the central campus Sports Centre and on the left as you walk towards the Cannon Park shopping complex. Inclement weather might see groups sheltering in either the Sports Centre (if open) or else the Cholo Bar of the Students' Union. Hot and cold food should be available in the Students' Union and/or the Rootes Reception building a short walk from the pitches - but as I have mentioned above, this is the last weekend of term so services may not be quite normal! Future practices will probably be: Sun 11 Jan Sun 8 Feb Sun 8 Mar Sam Neilson (on behalf of Wayne Davey). From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Dec 5 12:11:36 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id LAA00107 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 11:03:08 GMT Received: from pluto.open.ac.uk (pluto.open.ac.uk [137.108.143.4]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA29569 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 11:00:41 GMT Received: from acsfc-mail (actually host acsfc-mail.open.ac.uk) by pluto with SMTP Local (PP); Fri, 5 Dec 1997 10:59:50 +0000 From: wmd4@student.open.ac.uk (Wayne Davey) To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 10:45:31 -0000 Subject: Scottish Indoors Message-ID: Organization: Open University MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-ID: X-Gateway: NASTA Gate 1.18 for FirstClass(R) Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk CALLING SCOTLAND ================ Could someone please organise an Indoor Scottish Championship (as a national qualifier) for the weekend of 14/15th February. If you think you can, please phone me on 01225-462212 or email me at wmd4@student.open.ac.uk Thanks Wayne Davey National Indoors Co-ordinator From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Dec 5 14:47:07 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id OAA09336 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 14:20:26 GMT Received: from smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk (smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk [193.114.232.66]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA22034 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 12:53:00 GMT From: Wayne_Retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk Received: from smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk (unverified [126.128.26.71]) by smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk (Integralis SMTPRS 2.04) with SMTP id ; Fri, 05 Dec 1997 12:50:47 +0000 Received: from ccMail by smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk (IMA Internet Exchange 2.12 Enterprise) id 000196BD; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 12:55:34 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 12:49:49 +0000 Message-Id: <000196BD.4069@watsonwyatt.co.uk> Subject: phidelta.demon.co.uk problems To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Apologies... to all those who've had emails bounced back from my phidelta.demon.co.uk addresses (LayoutDreams/Druid/Wayne/fd_net1/newport98) I was cut off by my ISP for not paying for my account (I didn't get a reminder that my year was up!). I got reconnected last night, and can mail OUT, but appear to have problems RECEIVING mail. Will work on resolving that problem tonight! Apologies again Wayne PS: If anyone needs to contact me URGENTLY they can email me at this address: wayne_retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk PS2: More apologies for the confidentiality thing that follows... ______________________________________________________________________________ Notice of Confidentiality This transmission is intended for the named addressee only. It contains information which may be confidential and which may also be privileged. Unless you are the named addressee (or authorised to receive it for the addressee) you may not copy or use it, or disclose it to anyone else. 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There are a couple of things on the diary as sent out on Monday that need comment/correcting. But rather than just correct them on the next reminder I thought it best to make a special note - or you might not notice, (if you efficiently took down all the new info on Monday). GBers should note that after the practice in April the dates have not been finalised. I have dates planned to fit around the tournaments, but have not confirmed them with Si and Sue. I was intending to do this at the next practice. Thanks for your patience Si I'd like to urge people to start considering whether or not they might like to be involved in running one of the BUF tournaments in the indoor season 98/99. (Altho' obviously this year's tournament isn't finalised yet!) Honestly - it would REALLY help the poor bastard that gets persuaded to do coordinate the whole thing. [I'm sure that Wayne (98), Paul Meaney (97) and Scott (96, 95) would all chorus in agreement.] British Flying Disc Federation Disc Events Diary ------------------------------------------------ ---------------------------- Saturday 28th February 1998 National Indoor Finals (2 days) [Private] [Indoor Ultimate] Contact davey Email wmd4@student.open.ac.uk Phone 01225 462212 [Latest info from Wayne is that the finals won't happen until the w/e of 14th March. He'll confirm this when he knows for sure I guess.] ---------------------------- Sunday 15th March 1998 THIS IS WRONG. THE 2ND SUNDAY OF THE MONTH IS 8th March. This practice is on 8th March. GB Training (Open and Women) (1 day) [Outdoor Ultimate] ---------------------------- Saturday 28th March 1998 Tour I (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] [This is still provisional - altho we're pretty much committed to the date. Likely to be in Leicester.] ----------------------------------- Saturday 18th April 1998 Tour II (2 days) (Provisional) (Now its DEFINITE.) [Outdoor Ultimate] @ Swindon, TD: Layout Dreams. ----------------------------------- Saturday 9th May 1998 Tour III (2 days) (Provisional) [Outdoor Ultimate] @ Birmingham, TD: Charlie Mead ----------------------------------- Saturday 20th June 1998 Tour IV (2 days) @ Southampton [Outdoor Ultimate] CONFIRMED. DEFINITELY SOUTHAMPTON, DEFINITELY THIS DATE, (not the week before as suggested previously). ------------------------------------ The whole question of Tour V (likely to be in Exeter again), Ross and GB practice in July is still up in the air. Sorry. ------------------------------------- From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Dec 5 17:44:41 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id RAA15054 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 17:19:37 GMT Received: from whale.students.stir.ac.uk (root@whale.students.stir.ac.uk [139.153.40.2]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA21272 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 12:48:56 GMT Received: from whale.students.stir.ac.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by whale.students.stir.ac.uk (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id MAA15970; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 12:46:52 GMT Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 12:46:52 +0000 (GMT) From: Markus Didion To: Wayne Davey cc: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Re: Scottish Indoors In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk On Fri, 5 Dec 1997, Wayne Davey wrote: > CALLING SCOTLAND > ================ > > Could someone please organise an Indoor Scottish Championship (as a > national qualifier) for the weekend of 14/15th February. If you think > you > can, please phone me on 01225-462212 or email me at > wmd4@student.open.ac.uk > > Thanks > > Wayne Davey > National Indoors Co-ordinator > Would it be possible to hold this event 2 or 3 weeks later since particularly Stirling will not be back from their break before 9 February? Also many of our team mates are going back to their home Unis and we have to form a new team. cheers, Markus ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Magnificent 7 - Stirling Ultimate From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Dec 5 17:52:41 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id RAA16932 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 17:31:00 GMT Received: from clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@clover-fddi [137.205.4.2]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA07931 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 14:12:54 GMT Received: from imo19.mail.aol.com (imo19.mx.aol.com [198.81.19.176]) by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA14201 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 13:26:49 GMT From: Tebewebb Message-ID: Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 08:22:43 EST To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Goodbye Stephen Young Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Taking a bit of risk here, but trusting that people won't randomly come and destroy my house (particulary as its not MY house) I am having a party at the house where I live. The party is more-or-less my goodbye, as I fly out seven days later, back to the United Status of America, land of the free markets, home of the brave people protected by thousands of nuclear weapons. All who know me or would like to know me are welcome, all who have friends who know me are welcome, all who don't know me, don't know my friends and who want to come to my house, drink my alchohol, throw up on my couch, and pass out on my bed are not particularly welcome. Of course, if you know me, you are welcome to throw up on my couch and pass out on my bed. This dance-centric event will happen on 13 December 1997 10PM on 10 Knatchbull Road SE5 nearest tube: Oval Phone: 0171-564-6147 Work 0171-925-00862 All are welcome to bring additional fluids for embibing. Sound system will be the same as Garret's, so expect to make the house sweat. Thanks for the memories, lets make one more good one before I go. Stephen Young Violently Happy/Shotgun From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sat Dec 6 02:13:37 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id WAA18977 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 22:00:31 GMT Received: from clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@clover-fddi [137.205.4.2]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA06717 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 18:05:04 GMT From: pbennison@csksoftware.com Received: from quay (quay.quay.ie [192.122.220.1]) by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA11385 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 16:57:41 GMT Received: from Tfs by quay with smtp (Aix Smail3.1.29.1 #2) id m0xdI6Y-0001KtC; Wed, 3 Dec 97 16:56 GMT Message-Id: Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 16:47:59 +0000 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Sneeky's snail mail address ... X-Mailer: TFS Gateway /222000000/222030473/222002635/222082120/ Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Simon is looking for the snail mail address of Fraiser and Fiona of Sneekys. We stayed with them when we went to Edinburgh. If anyone knows of their s/e-mail address, please pass it on to me. Thanks a bunch, Peter Pookas - Dublin Ultimate From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sat Dec 6 02:27:00 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id TAA26689 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 19:00:45 GMT Received: from hotmail.com (F29.hotmail.com [207.82.250.40]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA26283 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 18:59:14 GMT Received: (qmail 24850 invoked by uid 0); 4 Dec 1997 18:58:37 -0000 Message-ID: <19971204185837.24849.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 137.222.1.5 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 04 Dec 1997 10:58:35 PST X-Originating-IP: [137.222.1.5] From: "Robert Cole" To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Bristol Indoors, '97 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 04 Dec 1997 10:58:35 PST Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Bristol Indoors 1997 The first major Open indoors tournament to be held in Bristol will be held on the 17 and 18 of January, at Whitchurch Sports Hall, Witchurch, Bristol. The Venue has excellent Sports Facilities, including two sports halls and a cafe to satisfy all your nosh needs. There will also be a party on Saturday night, for all you Funky Divas to come from miles around in an almost religious devotion to get on down. The tournament is limited to 24 teams, entry fee 75 pounds. If you would like to come, please email me ( robert_cole@hotmail.com ) to provisionaly book a place. Places are allocated on a first come first served basis, although 14 places are reserved for the teams who were at Village Indoors (but they have a 2 week limit on their reserved place, from the date of this email). Full invites will be mailed to teams during the comming week, but any team at Village Indoors has first dibs on places. Further details will be sent with the invites. If you have any questions, please email me, or call me on 0117 9237410, after 7pm. See you there... Robert Cole, Tournament Co-Director. robert_cole@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sat Dec 6 02:30:11 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id KAA03511 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 10:54:02 GMT Received: from clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@clover [137.205.192.6]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA03423 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 10:53:27 GMT Received: from sunserv5.leeds.ac.uk (sunserv5.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.16.35]) by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA29239 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 07:24:05 GMT Received: from south-02.novell.leeds.ac.uk (south-02.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.76.2]) by sunserv5.leeds.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA05445 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 07:20:44 GMT Received: from LUCS-H12/SpoolDir by south-02.novell.leeds.ac.uk (Mercury 1.31); 4 Dec 97 07:20:53 GMT0BST Received: from SpoolDir by LUCS-H12 (Mercury 1.31); 4 Dec 97 07:20:29 GMT0BST From: "Chewy" Organization: University of Leeds To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 16:25:37 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Northern Indoor Open Championships X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.54) Message-ID: Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk To all Northern teams Just a short message to say that the northern indoors open is being held at Leeds on the 31st Jan/ 1st Feb. The invites are currently being written and be with teams ASAP. Cheers Chewy From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sun Dec 7 19:20:26 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id SAA14499 for britdisc-outgoing; Sun, 7 Dec 1997 18:59:57 GMT Received: from shrimp.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (ralf@shrimp [137.205.227.130]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA14494 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 1997 18:59:55 GMT Received: (from ralf@localhost) by shrimp.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA05325 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Sun, 7 Dec 1997 18:59:52 GMT Date: Sun, 7 Dec 1997 18:59:52 GMT From: Ralf Message-Id: <199712071859.SAA05325@shrimp.dcs.warwick.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: BFDF Events Reminder Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk British Flying Disc Federation Disc Events Diary ------------------------------------------------ The new web-based version of this is running again, although the address has now changed to http://www.dcs.warwick.ac.uk/~ralf/bfdf/ Comments on the general formatting will be appreciated (I know it looks disgusting on IE 2, although that's your own fault really :-) ---------- Friday 7th November 1997 Sneekeys' Beginners' Indoor Tournament (2 days) [Beginners' Indoor Ultimate] URL: http://www.ed.ac.uk/~ultimate/beg1997.htm Contact Possum Address 2F3 33 Oxford Street Newington EDINBURGH EH8 9PQ Email D.J.Reid@sms.ed.ac.uk Sunday 9th November 1997 GB Training (Open, Women and Masters) (1 day) [Outdoor Ultimate] Wednesday 19th November 1997 Scottish League (1 day) [Outdoor Ultimate] URL: http://www.ed.ac.uk/~ultimate/ Saturday 29th November 1997 Village People Indoors (2 days) @ Trinity School, Croydon [Indoor Ultimate] Contact Paul Hurt Email paul@ultimatum.demon.co.uk Student Regional Qualifiers (Midlands) (2 days) @ Sheffield [Students' Indoor Ultimate] Contact Simon Weeks Email gga95sew@sheffield.ac.uk Phone 0114 222 9999 ext 52252 Wednesday 3rd December 1997 Scottish League (1 day) [Outdoor Ultimate] URL: http://www.ed.ac.uk/~ultimate/ Saturday 6th December 1997 Student Regional Qualifiers (South East) (2 days) @ Brighton [Students' Indoor Ultimate] Contact Kevin "Locks" Email kevinbr@epunix.susx.ac.uk Contact Simon Weeks Email gga95sew@sheffield.ac.uk Phone 0114 222 9999 ext 52252 TD Alastair Findlay Email A.findlay@bton.ac.uk GB Masters training (2 days) @ Warwick University, Coventry [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Dave "Sammy" Neilson Email serai@csv.warwick.ac.uk Student Regional Qualifiers (South West) (2 days) @ Bristol [Students' Indoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hebert Email ch5400@bristol.ac.uk Phone 0117 973 0385 Contact Simon Weeks Email gga95sew@sheffield.ac.uk Phone 0114 222 9999 ext 52252 Student Regional Qualifiers (North) (2 days) @ Lancaster [Students' Indoor Ultimate] Contact Shaun Lohman Email s.lohman@lancaster.ac.uk Phone 01524 874230 Contact Simon Weeks Email gga95sew@sheffield.ac.uk Phone 0114 222 9999 ext 52252 Sunday 14th December 1997 GB Training (Open, Women and Masters) (1 day) @ Witney [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 20th December 1997 Southampton Indoors (2 days) [Indoor Ultimate] Contact Tim Woolford Email tww93si@soton.ac.uk Phone 01703 672581 Saturday 3rd January 1998 Stains International Indoor Tournament (2 days) @ Stains, France [Indoor Ultimate Abroad] Contact Frederic Gay Email hanovre@club-internet.fr Phone (33) 1.42.58.12.36 Sunday 11th January 1998 GB Training (Open, Women and Masters) (1 day) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 17th January 1998 Bristol Indoors (2 days) @ Whitchurch Sports Hall, Witchurch, Bristol [Indoor Ultimate] Contact robcole Email robert_cole@hotmail.com Phone 0117 923 7410 (after 7pm) Women's Indoor Nationals (2 days) TBC [Women's Indoor Ultimate] Contact Tara Jewell Phone 01865 246158 Contact Emma Jayne Slater Email emma-jayne.slater@gartner.com Wednesday 21st January 1998 Scottish League (1 day) [Outdoor Ultimate] URL: http://www.ed.ac.uk/~ultimate/ Saturday 31st January 1998 Newport Indoors (2 days) [Indoor Ultimate] Contact Wayne Retter Email Wayne_Retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk Northern Indoors Open (2 days) @ Leeds [Indoor Ultimate] Contact Chewy Email bgy6jgc@SOUTH-02.NOVELL.LEEDS.AC.UK Wednesday 4th February 1998 Scottish League (1 day) [Outdoor Ultimate] URL: http://www.ed.ac.uk/~ultimate/ Sunday 8th February 1998 GB Training (Open, Women and Masters) (1 day) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 14th February 1998 Student Indoor Finals (2 days) TBC @ Exeter [Students' Indoor Ultimate] Contact Simon Weeks Email gga95sew@sheffield.ac.uk Phone 0114 222 9999 ext 52252 Regional Indoors (2 days) [Indoor Ultimate] Contact Wayne Davey Email wmd4@student.open.ac.uk Phone 01225 462212 Wednesday 18th February 1998 Scottish League (1 day) [Outdoor Ultimate] URL: http://www.ed.ac.uk/~ultimate/ Saturday 21st February 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Whitcombe, Dorset [Golf] Saturday 28th February 1998 Date reserved (2 days) Wednesday 4th March 1998 Scottish League (1 day) [Outdoor Ultimate] URL: http://www.ed.ac.uk/~ultimate/ Sunday 8th March 1998 GB Training (Open, Women and Masters) (1 day) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 14th March 1998 National Indoors (2 days) [Indoor Ultimate] Contact Wayne Davey Email wmd4@student.open.ac.uk Phone 01225 462212 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Quarry Park, Warwickshire [Golf] Saturday 28th March 1998 Tour I (2 days) (Provisional) @ Leicester (TBC) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 4th April 1998 Dublin (2 days) TBC [Ultimate] Contact Gareth McFeely Email garreth.mcfeely@iveagh.irlgov.ie BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Ashton Court, Bristol [Golf] Sunday 12th April 1998 GB Training (Open, Women and Masters) (1 day) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 18th April 1998 Tour II (2 days) @ Swidon [Outdoor Ultimate] TD Layout Dreams Saturday 2nd May 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Scottish Open, Isle of Mull [Golf] Saturday 9th May 1998 Tour III (2 days) (Provisional) @ Birmingham [Outdoor Ultimate] TD Charlie Mead Thursday 21st May 1998 Rotterdam (4 days) [Outdoor Ultimate Abroad] Saturday 30th May 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) TBC @ Hayling Island, Southampton [Golf] Saturday 6th June 1998 Fiesta (2 days) TBC [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 13th June 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Quarry Park, Warwickshire [Golf] Saturday 20th June 1998 Tour IV (2 days) @ Southampton [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 4th July 1998 Tour V (2 days) (Provisional) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 11th July 1998 Date reserved (2 days) Saturday 18th July 1998 Date reserved (2 days) BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Whitcombe, Dorset [Golf] Friday 14th August 1998 Worlds (10 days) [Outdoor Ultimate Abroad] Saturday 15th August 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Essex University [Golf] Saturday 29th August 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) TBC @ Perth or Edinburgh [Golf] Friday 11th September 1998 BUF Open (3 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 19th September 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Burnlaw, Horthumberland [Golf] Saturday 26th September 1998 Nationals 98 (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 24th October 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Whitcombe, Dorset [Golf Handicap] ---------------------------------------------------------- British Flying Disc Federation Disc Events Diary http://www.dcs.warwick.ac.uk/~ralf/bfdf/ Ranulf Doswell, ralf@dcs.warwick.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sun Dec 7 20:58:04 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id UAA21851 for britdisc-outgoing; Sun, 7 Dec 1997 20:37:10 GMT Received: from mailhost.dircon.co.uk (mailhost.dircon.co.uk [194.112.32.10]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA21836 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 1997 20:36:47 GMT From: laurab@ehs.co.uk Received: from newsgate.dircon.co.uk (newsgate.dircon.co.uk [194.112.32.15]) by mailhost.dircon.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA17619 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 1997 20:36:46 GMT Received: from ehs.co.uk (ehs@localhost) by newsgate.dircon.co.uk (8.6.12/8.6.9) with UUCP id UAA13837 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Sun, 7 Dec 1997 20:34:40 GMT Message-Id: <199712072034.UAA13837@newsgate.dircon.co.uk> Date: Sun, 7 Dec 1997 19:41:33 +0100 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Fed up with the weather? MIME-version: 1.0 (Created by TFS) Content-Type: text/plain ; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: TFS Gateway V210U0822M Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id UAA21847 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Expecting 1998 blues after the New Year parties? Ready to party on down and get to grips with.......a disc? We have the solution! Interested? then read on..... Where can you play an outdoor tournament in winter, where the weather is nearly as hot as a UK summer, and it will be drier than a very dry thing at a dried things convention? Answer: Phoenix, Arizona on Sat 31st Jan and Sun 1st February We have free entry for a team from GB to play at the Arizone New Year Fest tournament. Cost to you - flights and spending money as free floor space for kipping has been offered. Flights to Phoenix will cost approx œ250 return. What better time to take a holiday than in the bleak mid-winter? You could go for one week or like me , take two Already playing: Ross Paterson Harry Broome - resident in Phoenix, some of you may remember when he was living in Bristol and played for FOG. Brian Usher - formerly of Phoenix, living in Amersham, played at Eastbourne thsi me plus me Any takers, drop me a line Laura Bagshaw Village People From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Dec 8 09:18:54 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id IAA29681 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 08:56:44 GMT Received: from cargill.com (charon.cargill.com [167.136.225.225]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA29676 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 08:56:41 GMT From: Andy_Lucey@cargill.com Received: (from root@localhost) by cargill.com (8.8.2/8.8.0) id CAA02421 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 02:56:00 -0600 (CST) Received: from lonn.cgo.cargill.com(172.31.59.51) by charon.cargill.com via smap (V1.3mjr) id sma002397; Mon Dec 8 02:55:52 1997 Received: from by lonn.cgo.cargill.com (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA31760; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 08:55:10 GMT X-Openmail-Hops: 1 Date: Mon, 8 Dec 97 08:54:25 +0000 Message-Id: Subject: bdga course record update- Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; name="cc:Mail" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Apparently-To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk not sure who dealing with this- hemingstone- par 30 record- oz freire, bof davies, andy lucey 30 From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Dec 8 09:35:06 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id JAA01461 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 09:13:09 GMT Received: from ghwerig.mmu.ac.uk (ghwerig.mmu.ac.uk [149.170.190.136]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA01456 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 09:13:07 GMT Received: from turing.ayt.stu.mmu.ac.uk [149.170.30.2] by ghwerig.mmu.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.70 #1) id 0xezFA-0001M7-00; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 09:12:48 +0000 Received: from MMU-MAN-TURING/SpoolDir by turing.ayt.stu.mmu.ac.uk (Mercury 1.32); 8 Dec 97 09:13:06 GMT0BST Received: from SpoolDir by MMU-MAN-TURING (Mercury 1.32); 8 Dec 97 09:12:49 GMT0BST From: "nads" <64026159@mmu.ac.uk> Organization: Manchester Metropolitan University (MANSTU-IBU) To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 09:12:45 GMT0BST MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: (Fwd) On the first day of xmas...... Reply-to: 64026159@mmu.ac.uk X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.53/R1) Message-ID: <2F988E1C2E@turing.ayt.stu.mmu.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- From: "Rezina Chowdhury" Organization: Consumer Market Research To: Ash.battoo@prudential.co.uk, rk34392@ggr.co.uk, 101677.1147@compuserve.com, Gordon@gordon1.demon.co.uk, JKhan@fdstaxpoint.co.uk, x.leslie.richards@mcps.co.uk, mghattau@lhr-co.gb.dhl.com, 64026159@mmu.ac.uk, r.choudhury@umds.ac.uk, joarder@cardiff.ac.uk, Susan.stephens@mori.com, khant@bp.com Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 11:47:19 +0000 Subject: On the first day of xmas...... Priority: normal Here's a little xmas chuckle to get you all into the xmas spirit! December 14th Dearest John: I went to the door today and the postman delivered a partridge in a pear tree. What a delightful gift. I couldn't have been more surprised. With dearest love and affection, Agnes -------------------------------------- December 15th Dearest John: Today the postman brought your very sweet gift. Just imagine, two turtle doves.... I'm just delighted at your very thoughtful gift. They are just adorable. All my love, Agnes ------------------ December 16th Dear John: Oh, aren't you the extravagant one! Now I must protest. I don't deserve such generosity. Three french hens. They are just darling but I must insist.... you're just too kind. Love Agnes --------- December 17th Today the postman delivered four calling birds. Now really! They are beautiful, but don't you think enough is enough? You're being too romantic. Affectionately, Agnes --------------------- December 18th Dearest John: What a surprise! Today the postman delivered five golden rings. One for each finger. You're just impossible, but I love it. Frankly, John, all those squawking birds were beginning to get on my nerves. All my love, Agnes ------------------ December 19th Dear John: When I opened the door there were actually six geese a-laying on my front steps. So you're back to the birds again, huh? Those geese are huge. Where will I ever keep them? The neighbors are complaining and I can't sleep through the racket. PLEASE STOP! Cordially, Agnes ---------------- December 20th John: What's with you and those fucking birds???? Seven swans a-swimming. What kind of goddam joke is this? There's bird shit all over the house and they never stop the racket. I'm a nervous wreck and I can't sleep all night. IT'S NOT FUNNY.......So stop with those fucking birds. Sincerely, Agnes ---------------- December 21st OK Buster: I think I prefer the birds. What the hell am I going to do with eight maids a-milking? It's not enough with all those birds and eight maids a-milking, but they had to bring their own goddam cows. There is shit all over the lawn and I can't move into my own house. Just lay off me. SMART ASS. Ag ---------------- December 22nd Hey Shithead: What are you? Some kind of sadist? Now there's nine pipers playing. And Christ - do they play. They never stopped chasing those maids since they got here yesterday morning. The cows are upset are stepping all over those screeching birds. No wonder they screech. What am I going to do? The neighbors have started a petition to evict me. You'll get yours. >From Ag ---------------- December 23rd You Rotten Prick: Now there's ten ladies dancing - I don't know why I call those sluts ladies. They've been balling those nine pipers all night long. Now the cows can't sleep and they've got diarrhea. My living room is a river of shit. The commisioner of buildings has subpoenaed me to give cause why the building shouldn't be condemned. I'm sticking the police on you. One who means it, Ag -------------------- December 24th Listen Fuckhead: What's with the eleven lords a-leaping on those maids and aforementioned "ladies"? Some of those broads will never walk again. Those pipers ran through the maids and have been commiting sodomy with the cows. All 234 of the birds are dead. They have been trampled to death in the orgy. I hope you're satisfied, you rotten swine. Your sworn enemy, Miss Agnes McCallister -------------------------------------- December 25th (From the law offices Taeker, Spredar, and Baegar) Dear Sir: This is to acknowledge your latest gift of tweleve fiddlers fiddling, which you have seen fit to inflict on our client, Miss Agnes McCallister. The destruction, of course, was total. All correspondence should come to our attention. If you should attempt to reach Miss McCallister at Happy Dale Sanitarium, the attendants have instructions to shoot you on sight. With this letter, please find attached a warrant for your arrest. ========================================================== merry christmas.. ..nads...(small chick in the north and not the team) ========================================================== From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Dec 8 12:08:07 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id LAA14663 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 11:04:58 GMT Received: from crane.cf.ac.uk (crane.cf.ac.uk [131.251.0.45]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA14615 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 11:04:45 GMT Received: from HUMSCF2S.CF.AC.UK by crane.cf.ac.uk with SMTP-LOC (PP); Mon, 8 Dec 1997 10:55:12 +0000 Received: from HUMSCF2S/SpoolDir by HUMSCF2S.CF.AC.UK (Mercury 1.32); 8 Dec 97 11:04:28 GMT0BST Received: from SpoolDir by HUMSCF2S (Mercury 1.32); 8 Dec 97 11:03:51 GMT0BST From: DAVID BARNARD To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 11:03:51 GMT0BST Subject: SW student regionals X-mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.41 (NDS, preview) Message-ID: <94C243D04E8@HUMSCF2S.CF.AC.UK> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi all, Just a note to tell of the positions at the SW student indoor qualifiers this weekend in Bristol. A full report will follow from a keep Mythago player. 1) Ow 2) Mythago 3) Discult 4) Picninc 5) Uriel 6) Ow 2 7) No Frills 8) Ow 3 9) Mythago 2 10) Disc-coordinated 11) Picnic 3 12) Picnic 2 13) = Mythago 3 13) = Uriel 2 - Spirit winners Thanks to all who turned out and thanks to Chris of Mythago for all his help. Congratulations to those who qualified for the finals and a special congratulations to Uriel 2 for winning spirit. Dave Barnard From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Dec 8 12:09:30 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id LAA17711 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 11:24:33 GMT Received: from mercury.king.ac.uk (mercury.king.ac.uk [141.241.4.24]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA17680 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 11:24:19 GMT Received: from bob.king.ac.uk by mercury.king.ac.uk with SMTP (MMTA 2) with ESMTP; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 11:24:11 +0000 Received: from BOB/SpoolDir by bob.king.ac.uk (Mercury 1.32); 8 Dec 97 11:25:19 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by BOB (Mercury 1.32); 8 Dec 97 11:25:15 +0000 From: Colin Smith Organization: Kingston University To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 11:25:13 +0000 Subject: South East Regionals X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.54) Message-ID: <19CB8E14B23@bob.king.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk A quick note to thank Ali, Locks and the Mohawks for organising a great South East Regionals down in Brighton. We couldn't have asked for more from our first ever tournament, and I think Ultimate has gained a new team-full of devotees as a result. Locks mentioned setting up a South East League, much the same as they have started up in Scotland. I for one reckon this is a great idea, and we'll support it all the way. Anyone else interested?? Oh and Ali, cheers for the hats.. Cheers Colin Colin Smith SNATCH - "we can waggle ours..." Kingston University Ultimate Club K967338@kingston.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Dec 8 13:59:11 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id MAA04169 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 12:59:30 GMT Received: from jupiter.brighton.ac.uk (jupiter.bton.ac.uk [194.83.112.28]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA04124 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 12:59:15 GMT Received: from alpha2.bton.ac.uk by jupiter with SMTP (MMTA); Mon, 8 Dec 1997 12:59:10 +0000 Received: from localhost by alpha2.bton.ac.uk (5.65v4.0/1.1.8.2/28Jul95-0212PM) id AA04509; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 12:59:09 GMT Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 12:59:09 +0000 (GMT) From: Ali Findlay Reply-To: Ali Findlay To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: s.e student indoors Message-Id: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/PLAIN; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Heres the results of the south east student inddors @ Brighton 1. Mohawks 1 2. Skunks 1 3. Toxic 1 4. Cranfield 1 5. Skunks 2 6. Toxic 2 7. Chaos (sorry if this is wrong I'm doing it from memory) 8. P.D.Q 9. Cranfield 2 10. Strange Blue 11. Mohawks 2 12. Snatch! 13. Skunks 3 14. Mohawks 3 15. Mohawk Legends 16. Pick up Mohawks 1 won a very high standard and high spirited final 10-9 scoring the winning point with 90 sec to go. THey had at one point been 8-6 down. The tournamnet was enjoyed by all and there was a very friendly atmosphere present throughout the weekend. They'll be a comprehensive report later Ali T.D s.e student indoors From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Dec 8 15:18:59 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id OAA14992 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 14:10:39 GMT Received: from nernst.chem.gla.ac.uk (root@nernst.chem.gla.ac.uk [130.209.221.174]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA14947 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 14:10:24 GMT Received: from saki.chem.gla.ac.uk (simona@saki.chem.gla.ac.uk [130.209.220.7]) by nernst.chem.gla.ac.uk (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA09231 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 14:10:21 GMT From: "Simon J. Arbuckle" Received: (simona@localhost) by saki.chem.gla.ac.uk (8.7.5/feedernode) id OAA17630 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 14:10:18 GMT Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 14:10:18 GMT Message-Id: <199712081410.OAA17630@saki.chem.gla.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Northern Student Quals X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hey everybody, Just thought I would let you all know that in their first tournament under their new name, Far Flung won the Northern Student Qualifiers!!! This also happens to be our first ever tournament win (except for the Scottish Student Championships, but we had at least one non-student on the team then, as well as Possum from Sneeeky's playing for us!) I suppose I should write a tournament report, but my memories are blurred by our success (and by all the bevvy drunk last night when we got back to Glasgow) so I would just get completely carried away! Most importantly, though, I would like to thank everyone who was there - the spirit throughout was brilliant - and all the Reservoir Fish for organising a fantastic tournament. Thanks guys. WHAT HAVE WE WON? A FISHY THING! Simon (Far Flung, Mud Culture's student team). P.S. I'm really quite chuffed. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Dec 8 15:51:54 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id OAA21733 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 14:59:32 GMT Received: from mps2.leeds.ac.uk (mps2.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.16.22]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA21695 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 14:59:16 GMT Received: from south-02.novell.leeds.ac.uk (south-02.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.76.2]) by mps2.leeds.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA18877 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 14:59:11 GMT Received: from LUCS-H12/SpoolDir by south-02.novell.leeds.ac.uk (Mercury 1.31); 8 Dec 97 14:59:21 GMT0BST Received: from SpoolDir by LUCS-H12 (Mercury 1.31); 8 Dec 97 14:59:18 GMT0BST From: "Chewy" Organization: University of Leeds To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 14:58:52 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Purely northern teams X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.54) Message-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-printable to 8bit by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id OAA21717 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk All Northern Teams My appologies, but i'm having trouble sending out invites for the National open in Leeds, because i can't reach the BUF web site to pull off a list of contact addresses. I've hand delivered some invites, but would appreciate it if any teams interested would get in contact with me. You can reach me at this E mail address untill Friday, after which you can get in contact on 0117 9573899 ( please leave a contact address if i am not there ). This tournament will also act as the qualifier for the Open Indoor Finals. Thanks Chewy ( Leeds Jedi ) Basic Details: Date: Jan 31st/ Feb 1st Cost: Cheap only £60 Accomodation: Can be provided. The places are limited and the final date for entry is 14th January ( Entry is upon reciept of entry fee ). Exact details are on the invites, so get in touch! From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Dec 8 17:53:23 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id QAA09429 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 16:53:50 GMT Received: from ultra1.aber.ac.uk (patman@ultra1.aber.ac.uk [144.124.16.17]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA09369 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 16:53:22 GMT Received: from cassin.dcs.aber.ac.uk [193.60.10.80] by ultra1.aber.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.73 #3) id 0xf6QU-0002CS-00; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 16:52:58 +0000 Message-ID: <348C25A3.1CE9@aber.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 16:51:47 +0000 From: ALEX EVANS X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.02 (X11; I; SunOS 5.6 sun4m) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: britdisc Subject: Bespectacled midland student attendees only Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Sorry to bother you all, this only concerns spectacle wearers who were at the Midland Student Indoors in Sheffield the other weekend. One of my teammates, Flea, lost his glasses at the tourny; at the end Simon held up a pair of lost glasses which were very similar to Flea's. The most likely explaination is that whoever they belonged to had picked up Flea's pair accidentally, so if you've been suffering from mysterious headaches/walking into doors since Sheffield I might be able to help. No, I don't know how people lose these things either. Alex Mwnci See 01970 624357 From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Dec 8 20:23:21 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id TAA27572 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 19:27:24 GMT Received: from hotmail.com (F70.hotmail.com [207.82.250.156]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA27546 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 19:27:08 GMT Received: (qmail 21275 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 1997 19:26:19 -0000 Message-ID: <19971208192619.21274.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 137.222.1.5 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 08 Dec 1997 11:26:18 PST X-Originating-IP: [137.222.1.5] From: "Robert Cole" To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Bristol Indoors: Places so far. Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 11:26:18 PST Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk So far the followibng teams have reserved their places: Chinapple Punks Mythago 1 Mythago 2 Slow White Mr Men Whiplash Watershed Angels Snatch Night Fever Mad Kows That means there are only 3 provisional places left, with the remaining places going to teams from Village indoors. Their places will be held until Friday 19th December. If you would like to come, email me, and even if there are no places left, you will go down on the reserves list, to fill any left over places after the 19th. So what are you waiting for? GET ON WITH IT! Rob Cole robert_cole@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Dec 9 12:31:36 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id LAA15870 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 11:32:47 GMT Received: from crane.cf.ac.uk (crane.cf.ac.uk [131.251.0.45]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA15865 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 11:32:45 GMT Received: from HUMSCF2S.CF.AC.UK by crane.cf.ac.uk with SMTP-LOC (PP); Tue, 9 Dec 1997 11:23:10 +0000 Received: from HUMSCF2S/SpoolDir by HUMSCF2S.CF.AC.UK (Mercury 1.32); 9 Dec 97 11:32:27 GMT0BST Received: from SpoolDir by HUMSCF2S (Mercury 1.32); 9 Dec 97 11:31:45 GMT0BST From: DAVID BARNARD To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 11:31:36 GMT0BST Subject: lost property X-mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.41 (NDS, preview) Message-ID: <964998026B9@HUMSCF2S.CF.AC.UK> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Here is a list of the lost property from the SW regionals in Bristol. if you have lost anything then mail me and i'll check with the two venues to see if they have found anything. 1 pair faded blue Nike tracksuit bottoms 1 plain white Next T-shirt 1 set of keys on a blue carribina (2 house keys, 2 smaller) 1 green sleeping bag in an orange liner. Dave Barnard Chris Hebert ch5400@bristol.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Dec 9 18:36:02 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id RAA07571 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 17:36:05 GMT Received: from admin.warwick.ac.uk (sigma [137.205.249.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA07537 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 17:35:50 GMT Received: from SIGMA/MERCURY by admin.warwick.ac.uk (Mercury 1.21); 9 Dec 97 17:36:46 +0000 Received: from MERCURY by SIGMA (Mercury 1.21); 9 Dec 97 17:36:21 +0000 From: "Derek Robins" Organization: University of Warwick, CV4 7AL, UK To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 17:36:19 +0000 (GMT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Where's Dave Rosenfeld X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.52) Message-ID: <201207B4612@admin.warwick.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Does anybody have an address, tel no. or e-mail for Dave Rosenfeld? He joined the BDGA but I don't have any contact details. Del *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*- Derek Robins | | D.J.Robins@admin.warwick.ac.uk Finance Office | | Tel 01203 522710 University of Warwick | | Fax 01203 524573 Coventry CV4 7AL | | Home 01926 864136 *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*- From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Dec 10 15:07:15 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id OAA26008 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 14:46:29 GMT Received: from epunix.susx.ac.uk (root@epunix.biols.susx.ac.uk [139.184.162.2]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA26001 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 14:46:24 GMT Received: by epunix.susx.ac.uk (Smail3.1.28.1 #9) id m0xfnOp-0002hzC; Wed, 10 Dec 97 14:46 GMT Message-Id: From: kevinbr@epunix.susx.ac.uk (Kevin Brooks) Subject: Re: Student Eligibility To: graysd@monetpost.stdavids.ncr.com (Grayson, David) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 14:46:07 +0000 (GMT) Cc: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <347C7587@dunfgate.stdavids.ncr.com> from "Grayson, David" at Nov 26, 97 09:48:00 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL20] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hey guys, I just thought I'd lend my support to the move to revise the new 4 year rule which has received so much attention on this list in the last couple of weeks. I won't join in the debate, since there doesn't seem to be much of one - everyone seems to broadly agree. However, someone did ask for written details of the eligibility rules for BUSA competition, and since I have them in front of me, I thought I'd chip in on that point. The idea, as I understood it, was that moves ought to be made to come as close to the regulations of other BUSA organised sports as possible, to hasten our inclusion in the national student sports body. I have been reliably informed by our Union Vice-President (Sports) that Sports Council recognition is a condition of entry to BUSA, so we obviously have a long way to go. Simply adhering to the guidelines for other sports will acheive nothing for us until we have Sports Council recognition. However, the relevant information on eligibility can be found in the BUSA Handbook 1997-1998 (copies available from BUSA, 8 Union St, London SE1 1SZ, 0171 357 8555). Firstly, there is no limit on the experience of players. As far as players from 'other institutions' goes, here is a relevant excerpt... 7.1 For a student to be eligible for BUSA Individual championships or to represent his/her university in BUSA Team Championships and in Representative games, he/she shall be: 7.1.1 A player who is permitted to play by the governing body of the sport concerned to participate alongside amateur competition in that sport. 7.1.2 An 'internal' student registered at a University or Institution in membership of the BUSA, and following a course of study recognised by that University. blah, blah... If we were to adopt these rules now, we would have to exclude all of those students who do not have Ultimate clubs at their Uni, but play for, and practice with nearby university teams. I think this would be a mistake, and one which it is unecessary to make since our acceptance to BUSA depends first on getting Sports Council recognition, and then adopting the rules. I think that Sports Council recognition should be a priority, and once that is (inevitably) acheived, we can go back to the rules, and decide whether it would be in the interests of ultimate to join BUSA. By then, it is possible that most Unis in the country might have teams, so fast is the current growth, and the BUSA rules could be adopted without concern. Locks, Mohawks. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Dec 10 17:19:55 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id QAA13926 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 16:53:53 GMT Received: from hotmail.com ([207.82.250.11]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA13848 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 16:53:19 GMT Received: (qmail 3330 invoked by uid 0); 10 Dec 1997 16:51:00 -0000 Message-ID: <19971210165056.3307.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 137.222.1.8 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 08:50:50 PST X-Originating-IP: [137.222.1.8] From: "Robert Cole" To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Bristol Indoors: Change of Dates! Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 08:50:50 PST Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Stop Press! The Tournament dates are going to be moved. The sports hall has decidedwe are some sort of risk to an exhibition on the 17/18, so the new dates are: 24/25 January. The observant amongst you will notice this is the weekend before Newport,s o the perfect chance to warm up for that, or get some practice in for Nationals.. Anyway, onto .... More details: Format, 4 pools of 6, with top 2 in each to top 8, middle 2 to middle 8 etc. 5 matches on Saturday, starting at 9.45am (captains meeting at 9.30) finishing at 6pm, 3 on Sunday, starting at 9am. Games on Saturday will be 14 mins long, with all of Sundays games being played on 1 large pitch, rather than 2 smaller ones. I've now seen the cilities, and the playing area for Sunday is pretty large. We had the option of am almost full size outdoor pitch indoors, but there would have been a drastic change in surface partway along the pitch. Some local schools are rumoured to be interested, and so may want to come and watch on Sunday, to find out what this 'Ultimate' thing is. May try and sort out TV and radio coverage as well. Anyone got any tips? Teams who are definitely coming (but have yet to send money, see below) Chinnapple Punks Mythago Mythago 2 Slow White Mr Men Watershed Whiplash Angels Snatch Night Fever Mad Kows Village Bears UTI Blue Arsed FLies Mohawks Skunks 1 Skunks 2 Shrub Slipped Discs Mud Culture The remaining three places are all for teams form Village, even though I've convinientlyforgotten who. However, email me to be on the reserve list. Please send a cheque for 75 quid, payable to Chris Hebert, to Rob Cole 186 Redland Road Bristol BS6 6YH Once we know exactly who is coming, we'll send everyone the schedules, maps, party details etc etc, so don't panic if you don't get anything for a week. For those who still want to come, email me first to let me know, please don't just send the money, as you may not get straight in. My email is robert_cole@hotmail.com. Get your skates on and get down to Bristol. Rob Cole Tournament Co-Director Chinapple Punks robert_cole@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Dec 10 17:42:53 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id RAA17865 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 17:22:27 GMT Received: from d06lmsgate.uk.ibm.com (d06lmsgate.uk.ibm.com [195.212.29.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA17820 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 17:22:13 GMT Received: from d06lms01.emea.ibm.com by d06lmsgate.uk.ibm.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA137868; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 17:16:35 GMT Received: by UK.IBM.COM (Soft-Switch LMS 2.0) with snapi via D06AU009 id 5060100011234673; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 17:21:41 +0000 From: Andreas Funk To: Subject: Ultimate in Scotland Message-Id: <5060100011234673000002L032*@MHS> Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 17:21:41 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id RAA17848 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi there everyone ! I'm new in this country and i'd like to know if there are any Ultimate Teams near the Glasgow area. I'd really like to keep playing frisbee here but I just don't know where to look. Thank you for replies /Andreas From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Dec 11 10:43:20 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id KAA27567 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 10:20:54 GMT Received: from amsta.leeds.ac.uk (amsta.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA27557 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 10:20:50 GMT Received: from statlog.amsta.leeds.ac.uk (statlog.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.11]) by amsta.leeds.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA27399; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 10:21:25 GMT Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 10:21:25 GMT From: S J Hill Message-Id: <199712111021.KAA27399@amsta.leeds.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: message from the Godfather..."its a boy"! Cc: mm.hims@csl.gov.uk, Tony.Heap@ecsoft.co.uk, Cawasser@phil.uni-erlangen.de, PWINSLE1@ua1vm.ua.edu, Marcia.Greenwood@directline.co.uk Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk The 22 has a new team member as of yesterday evening... He arrived at 22:44, (yeah - honestly, well 22:41 actually...) - weighing in at 6lb 10oz. I understand that Eve is very well. No cheesy quotes from the proud father as yet (I've only spoken to the soppy uncle). From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Dec 11 16:43:05 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id QAA12831 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 16:17:42 GMT Received: from dirc.bris.ac.uk (dirc.bris.ac.uk [137.222.10.51]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA12826 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 16:17:40 GMT Received: from sis.bris.ac.uk by dirc.bris.ac.uk with SMTP-PRIV (PP) with ESMTP; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 16:17:35 +0000 Received: from [137.222.156.36] (langah3.lang.bris.ac.uk [137.222.156.36]) by sis.bris.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id QAA09577 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 16:16:25 GMT From: lvrf Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 16:16:07 +0000 Subject: FAO Dublin disc players To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Britdiskers, Bud Tilton (an ex-samurai who now plays a lot of golf) wants to cantact Dublin disc players as he may be moving there. He's not on e-mail, but if you can phone him he'll be very grateful. His home tel is (0117) 9268055. Rafi -bristol gunner ps I recommend you use a phone for which you do not pay the bill _\\|//_ ///|\\\ @ _ @ ----------------------oOO--(_)--OOo----------------------------- ***************************************** Division of Animal Health and Husbandry Department of Clinical Veterinary Science Langford House Langford Nr Bristol BS40 7DU Tel. 0117 9289570 Fax. 01934 853443 ***************************************** From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Dec 12 00:14:28 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id XAA25306 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 23:56:53 GMT Received: from pluto.open.ac.uk (pluto.open.ac.uk [137.108.143.4]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA25297 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 23:56:50 GMT Received: from acsfc-mail (actually host acsfc-mail.open.ac.uk) by pluto with SMTP Local (PP); Thu, 11 Dec 1997 23:56:31 +0000 From: wmd4@student.open.ac.uk (Wayne Davey) To: robert_cole@hotmail.com Cc: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 23:29:10 -0000 Subject: Re: Bristol Indoors: Change of Dates! Message-ID: References: <19971210165056.3307.qmail@hotmail.com> Organization: Open University MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-ID: X-Gateway: NASTA Gate 1.18 for FirstClass(R) Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk UTI are definitely coming. The cheque is being sent first class and you should get it Saturday am. Thanks for the invite, Wayne Davey UTI From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Dec 12 00:17:48 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id XAA25342 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 23:57:31 GMT Received: from pluto.open.ac.uk (pluto.open.ac.uk [137.108.143.4]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA25335 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 23:57:28 GMT Received: from acsfc-mail (actually host acsfc-mail.open.ac.uk) by pluto with SMTP Local (PP); Thu, 11 Dec 1997 23:57:10 +0000 From: wmd4@student.open.ac.uk (Wayne Davey) To: amtsjh@amsta.leeds.ac.uk Cc: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk, mm.hims@csl.gov.uk, Tony.Heap@ecsoft.co.uk, Cawasser@phil.uni-erlangen.de, PWINSLE1@ua1vm.ua.edu, Marcia.Greenwood@directline.co.uk Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 23:31:58 -0000 Subject: Re: message from the Godfather..."its a boy"! Message-ID: References: <199712111021.KAA27399@amsta.leeds.ac.uk> Organization: Open University MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-ID: X-Gateway: NASTA Gate 1.18 for FirstClass(R) Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Si, Please pass congratulations on to Eve and Christian (what biblical names!). Wayne From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Dec 12 10:51:34 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id KAA06181 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 10:33:37 GMT Received: from dirc.bris.ac.uk (dirc.bris.ac.uk [137.222.10.51]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA06173 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 10:33:34 GMT Received: from irix.bris.ac.uk by dirc.bris.ac.uk with SMTP-PRIV (PP) with ESMTP; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 10:33:33 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1] (may be forged)) by irix.bris.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA24327 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 10:32:20 GMT Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 10:32:20 +0000 (GMT) From: AJ Brocklehurst To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: SW student regionals... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Dear all and sundry, This is by way of report of the South West Regional Student Qualifiers, as requested by Dave, making me the keen Mythago player, I suppose. As you may be able to tell, I've not done one of these before so apologies for the length / shortness / crapness of it... Positions as follows: 1) Ow 2) Mythago 3) Discult 4) Picnic 5) Uriel 6) Ow 2 7) No Frills 8) Ow 3 9) Mythago 2 10) Disc-coordinated 11) Picnic 3 12) Picnic 2 13) = Mythago 3 13) = Uriel 2 - Spirit winners As far as I know, the top five teams qualify for the nationals, but there was some debate over whether that includes Discult, them being a junior team and all. Anyway, the tournie - as everyone who was there will be able to tell you, it was great. As far as I could tell, most teams improved markedly as the tournament went on, especially 2nd and 3rd teams, and with no neglect of spirit of the game. Well done chaps! OW and Mythago ( 1st and 2nd seeds repectively ) came top of the two pools, with most other places in the pools working out to seeding. No Frills did especially well to qualify for the top eight, beating their seeding quite considerably. Good to see so many junior teams doing so well too - Disc-coordinated causing quite a few upsets! Anway, it all boiled down to PIcnic vs. Mythago and OW vs. Discult on the second day. The first was quite a hard faught game for so early in the morning, with Mythago eventually coming out on top. Discult put up quite a fight, but were eventually overcome, and so the final: OW vs. Mythago. A great final - VERY hard, far too much running for my liking, and some great play from both sides - flow as smooth as a baby's bottie at times. Great spirit too, except perhaps for a dodgy call towards the end which is far too hard to explain. OW pulled away early on, but Mythago pulled the gap back to within one point, eventually going down 12-10. We'll 'ave you in the Nationals.... Great final for a great tournament. Thanks to Dave and Chris for organising it all, especially what with having to hire two halls for the two days. See you at the Nationals if you qualified, and then the outdoors otherwise! Cheers Adam 'Lamb' Brocklehurst - the short one who shouted quite a lot. P.S. All would be report critics please inform me of my shortcomings.... P.P.S. Except you Rob... From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Dec 12 11:46:44 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id LAA13410 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 11:27:07 GMT Received: from irwell.zetnet.co.uk (root@irwell.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.47.48]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA13396 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 11:27:02 GMT Received: from deansgate.zetnet.co.uk (deansgate.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.47.23]) by irwell.zetnet.co.uk (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA02163 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 11:26:58 GMT X-ZSender: t.green@zetnet.co.uk Message-ID: <1997121211144974146@zetnet.co.uk> Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 11:14:49 GMT To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: Toby Green X-Mailer: ZIMACS Version 1.20c 10003244 Subject: GB Design for 1998 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hello everyone! The Masters held their first training (sic) session last weekend. We also talked organisational stuff. I seemed to have drawn some sort of merchandising/kit straw (not that I remember volunteering exactly, but there you go). The Masters would love all the GB teams to have same/similarly designed kit for Worlds98. Not only does this create a form of unity among all the teams going, but it should increase the print run and thus reduce the unit price. So: 1. Comments please on the idea. 2. Invitations to all to come up with design ideas. (In particular those who are currently making a living doing graphic design work, hint, hint). If you are interested in producing a design, get in touch with me directly. If there's lots of volunteers, maybe we'll have an open competition and have players from all divisions vote on their favourite! Toby From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sat Dec 13 17:04:52 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id QAA15892 for britdisc-outgoing; Sat, 13 Dec 1997 16:42:53 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA15880 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 1997 16:42:43 GMT Received: from phidelta.demon.co.uk ([158.152.248.177]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa2001624; 13 Dec 97 16:36 GMT Message-ID: Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 16:28:49 +0000 To: BritDisc , Fluid Druids , Cryogenica Playthings , Night Fever , Whiplash , Bliss/Pulp , Chineapple Punks , Shrub , OW! , First Touch , Mr Men , Hurricanes , WIB , Angels , Slow White , UTI , Blue Arse Flies Cc: Cryogenica Playthings , First Touch From: "Newport98 TD (Wayne Retter)" Subject: Newport Indoors - Information MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Trial Version 3.03a Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk apologies to those of you who receive this twice (some team contacts), and to those of you who receive it but aren't interested. Hit now! Newport Indoor Ultimate Tournament 31 January and 1 February 1998 The information packs have now been posted to the 16 accepted teams, so should be with the team contacts in the next few days. Information will be sent to the Reserve teams if/when necessary. Players should contact their team contacts for copies of any information they require, and/or look at the tournament website. I guess that if anybody is *trying* for pickups, they could do worse than contacting the people below. A list of team contacts follows: Fluid Druids Neil Travers Cryogenica Playthings Glynn Lewis Night Fever Nick Dray Whiplash Mark Jefferson Bliss/Pulp EJ Slater Chineapple Punks Dave Barnard Shrub Paul Meaney OW! Robin Garton First Touch David Whitehead Mr Men Alan Baldwin Hurricane Andrew Feltham Women In Black Vanesa White Angels Simon Barry Slow White and TSH Ruy Morris UTI Dave Trovell Blue Arse Flies Merrick Cardew That's all for now Wayne Wayne Retter NEWPORT INDOORS 98 TD newport98@phidelta.demon.co.uk http://www.phidelta.demon.co.uk/fluiddruids/newport98/ hosted by: FLUID DRUIDS theultimatefrisbeeteam From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sun Dec 14 21:13:57 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id UAA27605 for britdisc-outgoing; Sun, 14 Dec 1997 20:46:56 GMT Received: from hotmail.com (F64.hotmail.com [207.82.250.150]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA27598 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 1997 20:46:54 GMT Received: (qmail 3348 invoked by uid 0); 14 Dec 1997 20:46:22 -0000 Message-ID: <19971214204622.3347.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 137.222.1.8 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sun, 14 Dec 1997 12:46:21 PST X-Originating-IP: [137.222.1.8] From: "Robert Cole" To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Bristol '97: Addreses Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 12:46:21 PST Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Could any team please include a contact address with their cheque, so I know who to send the information pack to. For the two who have paid for theirs already, Wayne I have your address, but Damo I need yours. See y'all in Southampton, hopefully Rob Cole robert_cole@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Dec 15 08:08:22 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id HAA26160 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 07:47:03 GMT Received: from gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (ralf@gem [137.205.227.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA26155 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 07:47:02 GMT Received: (from ralf@localhost) by gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id HAA05886 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 07:47:01 GMT Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 07:47:01 GMT From: Ranulf Doswell Message-Id: <199712150747.HAA05886@gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: BFDF Events Reminder Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk British Flying Disc Federation Disc Events Diary ------------------------------------------------ The new web-based version of this is running again, although the address has now changed to http://www.dcs.warwick.ac.uk/~ralf/bfdf/ Comments on the general formatting will be appreciated (I know it looks disgusting on IE 2, although that's your own fault really :-) ---------- Friday 7th November 1997 Sneekeys' Beginners' Indoor Tournament (2 days) [Beginners' Indoor Ultimate] URL: http://www.ed.ac.uk/~ultimate/beg1997.htm Contact Possum Address 2F3 33 Oxford Street Newington EDINBURGH EH8 9PQ Email D.J.Reid@sms.ed.ac.uk Sunday 9th November 1997 GB Training (Open, Women and Masters) (1 day) [Outdoor Ultimate] Wednesday 19th November 1997 Scottish League (1 day) [Outdoor Ultimate] URL: http://www.ed.ac.uk/~ultimate/ Saturday 29th November 1997 Student Regional Qualifiers (Midlands) (2 days) @ Sheffield [Students' Indoor Ultimate] Contact Simon Weeks Email gga95sew@sheffield.ac.uk Phone 0114 222 9999 ext 52252 Village People Indoors (2 days) @ Trinity School, Croydon [Indoor Ultimate] Contact Paul Hurt Email paul@ultimatum.demon.co.uk Wednesday 3rd December 1997 Scottish League (1 day) [Outdoor Ultimate] URL: http://www.ed.ac.uk/~ultimate/ Saturday 6th December 1997 Student Regional Qualifiers (South East) (2 days) @ Brighton [Students' Indoor Ultimate] Contact Kevin "Locks" Brooks Email kevinbr@epunix.susx.ac.uk Contact Simon Weeks Email gga95sew@sheffield.ac.uk Phone 0114 222 9999 ext 52252 TD Alastair Findlay Email A.findlay@bton.ac.uk Student Regional Qualifiers (South West) (2 days) @ Bristol [Students' Indoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hebert Email ch5400@bristol.ac.uk Phone 0117 973 0385 Contact Simon Weeks Email gga95sew@sheffield.ac.uk Phone 0114 222 9999 ext 52252 Student Regional Qualifiers (North) (2 days) @ Lancaster [Students' Indoor Ultimate] Contact Shaun Lohman Email s.lohman@lancaster.ac.uk Phone 01524 874230 Contact Simon Weeks Email gga95sew@sheffield.ac.uk Phone 0114 222 9999 ext 52252 GB Masters training (2 days) @ Warwick University, Coventry [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Dave "Sammy" Neilson Email serai@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sunday 14th December 1997 GB Training (Open, Women and Masters) (1 day) @ Witney [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 20th December 1997 Southampton Indoors (2 days) [Indoor Ultimate] Contact Tim Woolford Email tww93si@soton.ac.uk Phone 01703 672581 Saturday 3rd January 1998 Stains International Indoor Tournament (2 days) @ Stains, France [Indoor Ultimate Abroad] Contact Frederic Gay Email hanovre@club-internet.fr Phone (33) 1.42.58.12.36 Sunday 11th January 1998 GB Training (Open, Women and Masters) (1 day) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 17th January 1998 Women's Indoor Nationals (2 days) TBC [Women's Indoor Ultimate] Contact Tara Jewell Phone 01865 246158 Contact Emma Jayne Slater Email emma-jayne.slater@gartner.com Wednesday 21st January 1998 Scottish League (1 day) [Outdoor Ultimate] URL: http://www.ed.ac.uk/~ultimate/ Saturday 24th January 1998 Bristol Indoors (2 days) @ Whitchurch Sports Hall, Witchurch, Bristol [Indoor Ultimate] Contact Robert Cole Email robert_cole@hotmail.com Phone 0117 923 7410 (after 7pm) Saturday 31st January 1998 Newport Indoors (2 days) [Indoor Ultimate] Contact Wayne Retter Email Wayne_Retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk Northern Indoors Open (2 days) @ Leeds [Indoor Ultimate] Contact Chewy Email bgy6jgc@SOUTH-02.NOVELL.LEEDS.AC.UK Wednesday 4th February 1998 Scottish League (1 day) [Outdoor Ultimate] URL: http://www.ed.ac.uk/~ultimate/ Sunday 8th February 1998 GB Training (Open, Women and Masters) (1 day) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 14th February 1998 Student Indoor Finals (2 days) TBC @ Exeter [Students' Indoor Ultimate] Contact Simon Weeks Email gga95sew@sheffield.ac.uk Phone 0114 222 9999 ext 52252 Regional Indoors (2 days) [Indoor Ultimate] Contact Wayne Davey Email wmd4@student.open.ac.uk Phone 01225 462212 Wednesday 18th February 1998 Scottish League (1 day) [Outdoor Ultimate] URL: http://www.ed.ac.uk/~ultimate/ Saturday 21st February 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Whitcombe, Dorset [Golf] Saturday 28th February 1998 Scottish Indoor Regionals (2 days) [Indoor Ultimate] Contact James Spicer Email J.A.Spicer@sms.ed.ac.uk URL http://www.ed.ac.uk/~ultimate Warwick Indoors (2 days) TBC [Indoor Ultimate] Contact Jim Ayrton Email stuly@csv.warwick.ac.uk URL http://www.csv.warwick.ac.uk/~suaaz/ Wednesday 4th March 1998 Scottish League (1 day) [Outdoor Ultimate] URL: http://www.ed.ac.uk/~ultimate/ Sunday 8th March 1998 GB Training (Open, Women and Masters) (1 day) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 14th March 1998 National Indoors (2 days) [Indoor Ultimate] Contact Wayne Davey Email wmd4@student.open.ac.uk Phone 01225 462212 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Quarry Park, Warwickshire [Golf] Saturday 28th March 1998 Tour I (2 days) (Provisional) @ Leicester (TBC) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 4th April 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Ashton Court, Bristol [Golf] Dublin (2 days) TBC [Ultimate] Contact Gareth McFeely Email garreth.mcfeely@iveagh.irlgov.ie Sunday 12th April 1998 GB Training (Open, Women and Masters) (1 day) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 18th April 1998 Tour II (2 days) @ Swidon [Outdoor Ultimate] TD Layout Dreams Saturday 2nd May 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Scottish Open, Isle of Mull [Golf] Saturday 9th May 1998 Tour III (2 days) (Provisional) @ Birmingham [Outdoor Ultimate] TD Charlie Mead Thursday 21st May 1998 Rotterdam (4 days) [Outdoor Ultimate Abroad] Saturday 30th May 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) TBC @ Hayling Island, Southampton [Golf] Saturday 6th June 1998 Fiesta (2 days) TBC [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 13th June 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Quarry Park, Warwickshire [Golf] Saturday 20th June 1998 Tour IV (2 days) @ Southampton [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 4th July 1998 Tour V (2 days) (Provisional) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 11th July 1998 Date reserved (2 days) Saturday 18th July 1998 Date reserved (2 days) BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Whitcombe, Dorset [Golf] Friday 14th August 1998 Worlds (10 days) [Outdoor Ultimate Abroad] Saturday 15th August 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Essex University [Golf] Saturday 29th August 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) TBC @ Perth or Edinburgh [Golf] Friday 11th September 1998 BUF Open (3 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 19th September 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Burnlaw, Horthumberland [Golf] Saturday 26th September 1998 Nationals 98 (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 24th October 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Whitcombe, Dorset [Golf Handicap] ---------------------------------------------------------- British Flying Disc Federation Disc Events Diary http://www.dcs.warwick.ac.uk/~ralf/bfdf/ Ranulf Doswell, ralf@dcs.warwick.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Dec 15 09:13:40 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id IAA29576 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 08:51:50 GMT Received: from svr-a-01.core.theplanet.net (svr-a-01.core.theplanet.net [195.92.192.11]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA29571 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 08:51:48 GMT Received: from modem41.c1r2.pol.co.uk [194.152.70.41] by svr-a-01.core.theplanet.net with smtp (Exim 1.80 #1) id 0xhWFY-0000YQ-00; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 08:51:40 +0000 Received: by modem41.c1r2.pol.co.uk with Microsoft Mail id <01BD0936.6A679860@modem41.c1r2.pol.co.uk>; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 08:49:55 -0800 Message-ID: <01BD0936.6A679860@modem41.c1r2.pol.co.uk> From: Michael Johnson To: "britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk" Subject: Ian Mclain's Address? Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 08:49:49 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id IAA29572 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Dear All, I'm looking for Ian Mclain's email address. He's the American that lives in Paris and was at the Ross on Wye tourney last summer. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, Michael Johnson ================================= T/L, 23 Lyndhurst Gardens North Kelvinside Glasgow G20 6QX United Kingdom From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Dec 15 10:02:24 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id JAA04837 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 09:42:31 GMT Received: from nernst.chem.gla.ac.uk (root@nernst.chem.gla.ac.uk [130.209.221.174]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA04823 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 09:42:29 GMT Received: from saki.chem.gla.ac.uk (simona@saki.chem.gla.ac.uk [130.209.220.7]) by nernst.chem.gla.ac.uk (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA19567 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 09:42:27 GMT From: "Simon J. Arbuckle" Received: (simona@localhost) by saki.chem.gla.ac.uk (8.7.5/feedernode) id JAA27207 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 09:42:25 GMT Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 09:42:25 GMT Message-Id: <199712150942.JAA27207@saki.chem.gla.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Student Finals X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi everyone, I know the BUF calender says that the student indoor finals are on the 14th/15th Feb, but I've heard many people saying that it has been changed to the week after. Is there any truth in this? Simon (Far Flung/Mud Culture). From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Dec 15 10:28:44 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id KAA08092 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 10:11:29 GMT Received: from beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk (beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.129.138]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA08085 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 10:11:27 GMT From: tww93si@soton.ac.uk Received: from hazel.sucs.soton.ac.uk (hazel.sucs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.173.100]) by beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.5/server) with SMTP id KAA25139 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 10:11:26 GMT Received: from b44a-59.sucs.soton.ac.uk (b44a-59.sucs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.173.59]) by hazel.sucs.soton.ac.uk (SMI-8.6/client-8.8) with ESMTP id KAA10761 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 10:11:25 GMT Received: (from tww93si@localhost) by b44a-59.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.5/client-8.8) id KAA04866 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 10:11:25 GMT Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 10:11:25 GMT Message-Id: <199712151011.KAA04866@b44a-59.sucs.soton.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Southampton Indoor Tournament Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-MD5: DLbTTH9L+X8dupUdMWpyuA== Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk These are the teams, in order of cheques received, who are entered into our tournament. It would be helpful if a representative from each team could mail me, so that I know that this has reached the relevent people. ALSO, BEFORE ANYONE NOT ON THE LIST DELETES THIS COULD I POSSIBLE ASK FOR SOME IDEAS OF SEEDING THE LIST BELOW. Sorry this has taken so long to sort out, but I'm trying to keep to coursework deadlines as well as all the extra work this involes (I bow respectfully to Tournament Directors everywhere). 1. Skunks 1 2. Skunks 2 3. Skunks 3 4. Strollers 5. Mr. Men 6. Women in black 7. Mario All Stars 8. Chinapple Punks 9. Bliss 10. Blue arsed flies 11. Shrub 12. UTI 13. Druids 14. Village 15. More than just a hint 16. Picninc in the Sky Any problems, you know where I am. Tim. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Dec 15 12:47:41 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id MAA22809 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 12:18:32 GMT Received: from clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@clover-fddi [137.205.4.2]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA22802 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 12:18:29 GMT Received: from epunix.susx.ac.uk (root@epunix.biols.susx.ac.uk [139.184.162.2]) by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA28100 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 12:18:24 GMT Received: by epunix.susx.ac.uk (Smail3.1.28.1 #9) id m0xhZS4-0002hzC; Mon, 15 Dec 97 12:16 GMT Message-Id: From: kevinbr@epunix.susx.ac.uk (Kevin Brooks) Subject: Re: Student Finals To: simona@chem.gla.ac.uk (Simon J. Arbuckle) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 12:16:48 +0000 (GMT) Cc: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <199712150942.JAA27207@saki.chem.gla.ac.uk> from "Simon J. Arbuckle" at Dec 15, 97 09:42:25 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL20] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Good question. Has anyone sent out results or a tournament report from the Northern Student Qualifiers at all (apart from Far Flung telling everyone that they won)? Perhaps I missed it. Who else qualified from that region? Locks, Mohawks. > Hi everyone, > > I know the BUF calender says that the student indoor finals are on > the 14th/15th Feb, but I've heard many people saying that it has been > changed to the week after. Is there any truth in this? > > > Simon (Far Flung/Mud Culture). > From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Dec 15 12:49:15 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id MAA22923 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 12:20:07 GMT Received: from clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@clover-fddi [137.205.4.2]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA22912 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 12:20:04 GMT From: tww93si@soton.ac.uk Received: from beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk (beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.129.138]) by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA28204 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 12:19:57 GMT Received: from hazel.sucs.soton.ac.uk (hazel.sucs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.173.100]) by beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.5/server) with SMTP id MAA16510 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 12:19:55 GMT Received: from b44a-14.sucs.soton.ac.uk (b44a-14.sucs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.173.14]) by hazel.sucs.soton.ac.uk (SMI-8.6/client-8.8) with ESMTP id MAA11878 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 12:19:54 GMT Received: (from tww93si@localhost) by b44a-14.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.5/client-8.8) id MAA11679 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 12:19:53 GMT Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 12:19:53 GMT Message-Id: <199712151219.MAA11679@b44a-14.sucs.soton.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Calling anyone from UTI Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-MD5: 1eaPMHqcTprIUsATmRbGUg== Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hello, Please reassure me that someone from UTI, who is coming to Southampton on the weekend, will be in possesion of the trophy. Cheers, Tim. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Dec 15 14:27:45 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id OAA05454 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 14:06:45 GMT Received: from mps2.leeds.ac.uk (mps2.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.16.22]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA05408 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 14:06:32 GMT Received: from west-01.novell.leeds.ac.uk (west-01.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.124.1]) by mps2.leeds.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA11383; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 14:06:31 GMT Received: from LUCS-H21/SpoolDir by west-01.novell.leeds.ac.uk (Mercury 1.31); 15 Dec 97 14:06:40 GMT0BST Received: from SpoolDir by LUCS-H21 (Mercury 1.31); 15 Dec 97 14:06:25 GMT0BST From: "Pete Cotton" Organization: University of Leeds To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 14:05:59 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Student Indoor Northern Qualifiers - Lancaster CC: S.Lohman@lancaster.ac.uk In-reply-to: <199712150747.HAA05886@gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.54) Message-ID: <272A03246A4@west-01.novell.leeds.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Lancaster was an excellent tournament, with a very high standard of play. I can't remember all the placings but I do remember who qualified (Still not confirmed if it is top 4 or 5): 1. Far Flung 2. Disciples 3. Flying Sorc. 4. Jedi 5. Sneeeky's Spirit: Flying Sorc II (I think) Plate: Disciples II Wooden spoon: Jedi III Perhaps if there is someone from the Fish they could fill in the rest of the details. Thanks to all of them for being incredibly helpful and resourceful in making it happen. Cheers Pete From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Dec 15 18:02:02 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id RAA08817 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 17:41:43 GMT Received: from inetsvr.merchants.co.uk (www-cache.OLAPmis [194.193.200.1] (may be forged)) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA08807 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 17:41:40 GMT Received: from MailLinkServer.merchants.internal (MailLinkServer.merchants.internal [201.1.3.190]) by inetsvr.merchants.co.uk (NTMail 3.02.13) with ESMTP id ca034530 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 17:45:37 +0000 Date: 15 Dec 97 17:36:18 +0000 From: Patrick Winser Subject: FWD>Re- RE>Re- RE>Re- World To: Britdisc Message-ID: <971215.173618@merchants.co.uk> X-Mailer: QM-Internet Gateway 1.0 X-Priority: 4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id RAA08810 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk FWD>Re: RE>Re- RE>Re- Worlds 3/12/97 2:37 am Hi there all you would be GB'ers or teams that are interested in participating in the co-ed tournament. Please see below for an indication of the costs and the dates of the multi level tournament. Any Juniors please contact me for more detailed information regarding the GB Junior squad that is planning to go. Patch -------------------------------------- Date: 3/12/97 8:38 am From: Gregory D Williams The tournament is going to run from Aug. 15 1997 check in. Aug. 16 first day of play. To friday Aug. 21 the day of Finals for the Multi Divisonal tournament with the Elite Championships also. Saturday will be the finals for the WFDF WUC . We will have lots of stuff planned please realize that this is just a preliminary schedule things may change but only in a good way. The weather in Minnesota at this time is great hot and sunny so the trips to the wave pool will be appreciated. We have an excellent variety of bands locally and we may have a national act come in also. We are going to do this in order to attract spectators who may come in for the band and see a great Ultimate game. The fields most seriously are the most plush, lush, level you have ever played on. As you know this was meant to be an Olympic venue. This facility was built on an old sod farm that was built on an old peat bog so there is resilence and springy-ness (?) that makes it easy to go HO and your joints are not sore. The costs are $150.00 per team team fee and $155.00 per player fee. For a per player fee of $175.00 you will get a subscription to World Ultimate Magazine. A down payment check of the $500.00, the down payment of what is owed, is required to hold your spot this will be due by mid April the rest is due In June. Late fees will be assessed. This fee includes parties, free bus transportation to / from fields, parties, wave pool, and other points of interest. Also included are the wonderful players package we are looking at bags or daypack backpacks. Tons of other tourney related items are included also. We will have dormitory rooms (singles and doubles) at the University of Minnesota. These will have telephones in each room, air conditioned, T.V. and game rooms. There will be an all you can eat cafeteria with main entrees, taco/burrito bar, salads/fruit bars, hard and soft ice cream, pop, juices, coffee etc.. All for $30.00 a night per person. Within a 3 minute walk of the dorms are 10 resturants, 5 coffee houses, 4 bars (with parties planned), all kinds of shops, two grocery stores, liquor store and a movie theater. What we need is for those interested in dorm stay to contact us by team in January. This is because the U of Minn. is a little unsure of how many Ultimate players attend these things. We also have hotels lined up with rooms blocked The Hilton is going to be our Tournament Hotel but many others are lined up also. The website will have all the contact info. up on it real soon. http://www.worldultomate.org . All amounts are in U.S. dollars. Remember all Men's open, Women's, Masters, Junior's and Coed teams are invited. I want 300 teams :). I am especially inviting Summer League teams that will play in our Coed division. Saturday August 15 National Sports Center all teams check in captains meetings 5:00 p.m. to 7:00 p.m.. Opening Ceremony / party in adjacent stadium with band, beer, food etc.. Big program lots of fun and a chance to meet and greet friends. The beer garden and food concessions will go on from 3:00 p.m.. Players Packages handed out and tourney store will be open. All at the National Sport Center complex. SundayAugust 16 first day of competion all teams. Shuttle bus to local wave pool all day long. Day end social onsite BIG party TBA (To Be Announced). Monday competition continues, shutle bus to wave pool all day, onsite social hour until 7:00. Parties (multiple) TBA trip to local Casino with dinner. Tuesday More competition , shuttle busses to local wave pool and shopping center. Day end social. Night games under lights more parties. Wednesday competiton continues last day of pool play. Wave pool, Day end social. Another BIG party. Thursday Championship and Consulation rounds, more Wave Pool , Day end Social. Trade night, Night Game under the lights beer garden open and food concession open. Friday Elite Championships final and Multi Division Championships final Big Party in the Stadium. Many suprises bands, beer, food concessions. Saturday WFDF WUC finals big finals Party Everybody parties Sunday INTERNATIONAL HAT TOURNAMENT EVERYBODY Invited. Thanks, Greg - From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Dec 15 19:40:17 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id TAA18549 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 19:23:35 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.154]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA18540 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 19:23:33 GMT Received: from phidelta.demon.co.uk ([158.152.248.177]) by post.mail.demon.net id ab1028478; 15 Dec 97 19:03 GMT Message-ID: Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 19:02:21 +0000 To: BritDisc Cc: Merrick Cardew From: Layout Dreams Reply-To: M Regionals TD Subject: Midlands Indoor Regionals 1998 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Trial Version 3.03a Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Midlands Regional Indoor Championships 1998 Hosts: Layout Dreams Venue: Cheltenham Dates: 14 and 15 February 1998 Layout Dreams have secured two sports halls in Cheltenham, within walking distance of one another, to hold this event. This email is to find out which teams are interested in attending the event, so that we can work out whether we need both halls and what the costs and schedules will be like. Please contact Wayne Retter (by Email or phone) or Chris Hughes (by phone), soon, to express any interest in attending this event. If teams are unsure as to which region they are in, they should contact WAYNE DAVEY (wmd4@student.open.ac.uk) for advice/confirmation. Regards Wayne Retter on behalf of Layout Dreams PS: There is also the *possibility* that the SE Indoor Regionals may not occur (unless someone finds a venue and is willing to run the event!!!), so SE teams would be allocated to other regions - some to Midlands, so check this too! _____________________________________________________________________________ Chris Hughes layoutDREAMS Wayne Retter +44/0-1452-859210 LayoutDreams@phidelta.demon.co.uk +44/0-1737-242109 http://www.phidelta.demon.co.uk/layoutdreams/ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Dec 15 21:37:16 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id VAA28738 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 21:19:57 GMT Received: from pluto.open.ac.uk (pluto.open.ac.uk [137.108.143.4]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA28728 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 21:19:54 GMT Received: from acsfc-mail (actually host acsfc-mail.open.ac.uk) by pluto with SMTP Local (PP); Mon, 15 Dec 1997 21:19:30 +0000 From: wmd4@student.open.ac.uk (Wayne Davey) To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 20:45:09 -0000 Subject: SE REGIONALS Message-ID: Organization: Open University MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-ID: X-Gateway: NASTA Gate 1.18 for FirstClass(R) Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk To all in the South East, At present nobody has come forward to organise a S E indoor qualifier for nationals. If no one can organise this event by THURSDAY 18TH DECEMBER then we won't have one. Don't panic! I think there should be plenty of room between Exeter and Cheltenham to accommodate all teams. So, if you are planning to hold this tournament you now have just 3 days to let me know. My phone number is 01225 - 462212 (home). Wayne Davey Indoor Co-ordinator From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Dec 16 11:32:02 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id LAA20794 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 11:13:50 GMT Received: from pp2.shef.ac.uk (pp2.shef.ac.uk [143.167.1.32]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA20778; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 11:13:46 GMT Received: from pebley.shef.ac.uk [143.167.79.249] by pp2.shef.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.73 #1) id 0xhuwI-0006ps-00; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 11:13:26 +0000 Received: from PEBLEY/SpoolDir by pebley.shef.ac.uk (Mercury 1.32); 16 Dec 97 11:13:27 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by PEBLEY (Mercury 1.32); 16 Dec 97 11:13:17 +0000 From: "Simon Weeks" To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk, All.University.Ultimate.Teams@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 11:13:16 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Student Finals CC: L.Paulson@mmu.ac.uk, Habonim Dror Northern Office X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <51C17F349F@pebley.shef.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk The Student Indoor Finals are to be held in Manchester on the weekend 21st/22nd of February. Play starting atthe wonderful hour of 9am on the Saturday. Keep the weekend free and more details will be posted by email and snail mail in the New Year. The five qualifiers from each region were... THE NORTH 1. Far Flung (Glasgow University) 2. Disciples (Bradford University) 3. Sorcerers (St Andrews University) 4. Jedi Children (Leeds University) 5. Sneeekys (Edinburgh University) THE MIDLANDS 1. Bears (Warwick University) 2. Mwnci See (University of Wales, Aberystywyth) 3. Purple Haze (Loughborough University) 4. Jesters (Leicester University) 5. Phat 'eds (Sheffield University) SOUTH WEST 1.Ow (Oxford University) 2. Mythago (Bristol University) 3. Picnic (Plymouth University) 4. Uriel (Exeter University) 5. Ow II (Oxford University) SOUTH EAST 1. Mohawks (University of Sussex) 2. Skunks (Southampton University) 3. Toxic (University of Kent, Canterbury) 4. Alien Nation (Cranfield) 5. Skunks II (Southampton University) Look forward to seeing you all at the Finals, Simon Weeks Student Coordinator ################################################### sorby hall, endcliffe vale road, sheffield, s10 3es tel. 0114 222 9999 extension 52252 email: gga95sew@sheffield.ac.uk CHRISTMAS PHONE NO. 01329 845922 ################################################### From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Dec 16 13:03:29 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id MAA02559 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 12:45:15 GMT Received: from [137.205.222.1] (mac-wie-31 [137.205.222.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA02554 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 12:45:13 GMT Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 12:45:13 GMT X-Sender: serai@mail.csv.warwick.ac.uk Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: Dave Neilson Subject: Soton Indoors Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi BD'ers, Do YOU know anyone from the North or the Midlands who is driving to the Southampton Indoors and has space in their car? I hope to travel down on the Friday evening and would love to share petrol with anyone who has room for a small one! Cheers, Sam Neilson H: 01926 864 276 W: 01203 523 880 E: D.P.Neilson@warwick.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Dec 18 11:00:14 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id KAA06048 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 10:37:56 GMT Received: from oxmail4.ox.ac.uk (oxmail4.ox.ac.uk [163.1.2.33]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA05993 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 10:37:25 GMT Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk by oxmail4 with SMTP (PP) with ESMTP; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 10:37:21 +0000 Received: from localhost (immd0001@localhost) by ermine.ox.ac.uk (1.1/8.8.3) with SMTP id KAA10183 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 10:37:20 GMT Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 10:37:20 +0000 (GMT) From: paul meaney To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: southampton indoors Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Everyone, anybody know the time of the captains meeting at the tournament this saturday? As usual, no details have been issued as a genral stste of confusion sems to reign (no difference there then :-).... ) also, anyone know which exit off the M27 to take when you are apporaching from the *south* (I'll coming up from portsmouth) Paul //////////////////////////////////\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ ****************************************************************************** Kryten: sir, you must forgive Mr Rimmer, he's suffering from a stress- related nervous disorder Lister: Next time I see him he'll be suffering from a fist- related teeth disorder ****************************************************************************** \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\//////////////////////////////////////////// From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Dec 18 23:45:55 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id XAA09282 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 23:28:43 GMT Received: from hotmail.com (F65.hotmail.com [207.82.250.151]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA09276 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 23:28:38 GMT Received: (qmail 8065 invoked by uid 0); 18 Dec 1997 23:27:59 -0000 Message-ID: <19971218232759.8064.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 137.222.1.7 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 15:27:58 PST X-Originating-IP: [137.222.1.7] From: "Robert Cole" To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Bristol Indoors Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 15:27:58 PST Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Could the Following teams please send me 75 quid, to Chris Hebert, for your entry to the tournament, so I know that you are comming. If your cheque is in the post, don't worry. There are 3 teams on the waiting list, Ow!, Mohawks 2 and the Ex Uriel lot, and there are currently 3 places spare, so if you havn't reserved your place, let me know by tomorrow, or they will get the places. Cheques to 186 Redland Road, Bristol, BS6 6YH. Please mark the envelope Ultimate. Chinapple Punks Village Bears BAF Slow White Mohawks Whiplash Skunks 1 Picnic Shrub Mud Culture Slipped Discs See ya on the 24th, Rob Cole robert_cole@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Dec 19 18:26:10 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id SAA02443 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 18:02:24 GMT Received: from ghost.iperbole.bologna.it (ghost.iperbole.bologna.it [193.207.2.250]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA02396 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 18:01:52 GMT From: tos1728@iperbole.bologna.it Received: from default (a08gw1.iperbole.bologna.it [193.207.2.56]) by ghost.iperbole.bologna.it (8.8.5/8.8.5/Iperbole 2.2) with SMTP id TAA14346 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 19:01:32 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19971219190151.00684fbc@iperbole.bologna.it> X-Sender: tos1728@iperbole.bologna.it X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 19:01:51 +0100 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: London Ultimate Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk I'll be in London from Jan to July, who can I contact to train and play with? Thank you very much, Andrew LaFotta Ultimate Bologna - Italy From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Dec 19 18:44:07 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id SAA03669 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 18:18:56 GMT Received: from mhaaf.inhouse.compuserve.com (mhaaf.inhouse.compuserve.com [149.174.64.79]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA03639 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 18:18:29 GMT Received: from notes2.compuserve.com (cserve-aaouto1.notes.compuserve.com [149.174.221.54]) by mhaaf.inhouse.compuserve.com (8.6.9/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA24709.; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 15:44:24 -0500 Received: by notes2.compuserve.com (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 1.3.17/2.0) id AA6904; Fri, 19 Dec 97 13:17:57 -0500 Message-Id: <9712191817.AA6904@notes2.compuserve.com> Received: by CSERVE (Lotus Notes Mail Gateway for SMTP V1.1) id 005027340012F89C80256572003D5B1F; Fri, 19 Dec 97 13:17:55 To: 97315250 <97315250@brookes.ac.uk> Cc: britdisc From: "sally.riggs" Date: 19 Dec 97 11:12:56 Subject: Re: Women's Indoor Nationals Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Tara Great news that you are organising this tournament. Superfly would like to bring a team under the alias of "Avon Calling". We may need a couple of extra people but I will not know until the new year. I have put a check in the post for you. Cheers Sally From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Dec 19 23:32:35 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id XAA19253 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 23:11:13 GMT Received: from hotmail.com (F76.hotmail.com [207.82.250.182]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA19246 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 23:11:07 GMT Received: (qmail 355 invoked by uid 0); 19 Dec 1997 23:10:33 -0000 Message-ID: <19971219231032.354.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 137.222.1.7 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 15:10:30 PST X-Originating-IP: [137.222.1.7] From: "Robert Cole" To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Bristol Indoors: The Final Places Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 15:10:30 PST Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk The final three places have now been awarded to : Ow! Mohawks 2 Ex Uriel So if they could please let me know if they still want to come, and mail me a cheque ASAP, it would be very cool Jolly Hockey sticks and all that. Cheques, pay to Chris Hebert, to 186 Redland Rd, Bristol, BS6 6YH. Please mark envelopes 'Ultimate'. See ya Rob Cole robert_cole@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sun Dec 21 23:28:54 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id XAA29792 for britdisc-outgoing; Sun, 21 Dec 1997 23:11:19 GMT Received: from f130.hotmail.com ([207.82.251.9]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA29786 for ; Sun, 21 Dec 1997 23:11:17 GMT Received: (from root@localhost) by f130.hotmail.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA22505 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Sun, 21 Dec 1997 15:10:27 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199712212310.PAA22505@f130.hotmail.com> Received: from 137.222.1.7 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sun, 21 Dec 1997 15:10:26 PST X-Originating-IP: [137.222.1.7] From: "Robert Cole" To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Bristol Indoors: Contacts Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 15:10:26 PST Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk If anybody has any problems, I can be contacted on 01732 743357 after the 24th December. CHris can be contacted on 01732 464218 from now onwards. Cheers, Happy Crimple and all that, see ya on the 24th, Rob Cole robert_cole@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Dec 22 08:02:18 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id HAA19518 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 07:47:04 GMT Received: from gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (ralf@gem [137.205.227.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA19512 for ; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 07:47:02 GMT Received: (from ralf@localhost) by gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id HAA24676 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 07:47:02 GMT Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 07:47:02 GMT From: Ranulf Doswell Message-Id: <199712220747.HAA24676@gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: BFDF Events Reminder Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk British Flying Disc Federation Disc Events Diary ------------------------------------------------ The new web-based version of this is running again, although the address has now changed to http://www.dcs.warwick.ac.uk/~ralf/bfdf/ Comments on the general formatting will be appreciated (I know it looks disgusting on IE 2, although that's your own fault really :-) ---------- Friday 7th November 1997 Sneekeys' Beginners' Indoor Tournament (2 days) [Beginners' Indoor Ultimate] URL: http://www.ed.ac.uk/~ultimate/beg1997.htm Contact Possum Address 2F3 33 Oxford Street Newington EDINBURGH EH8 9PQ Email D.J.Reid@sms.ed.ac.uk Sunday 9th November 1997 GB Training (Open, Women and Masters) (1 day) [Outdoor Ultimate] Wednesday 19th November 1997 Scottish League (1 day) [Outdoor Ultimate] URL: http://www.ed.ac.uk/~ultimate/ Saturday 29th November 1997 Student Regional Qualifiers (Midlands) (2 days) @ Sheffield [Students' Indoor Ultimate] Contact Simon Weeks Email gga95sew@sheffield.ac.uk Phone 0114 222 9999 ext 52252 Village People Indoors (2 days) @ Trinity School, Croydon [Indoor Ultimate] Contact Paul Hurt Email paul@ultimatum.demon.co.uk Wednesday 3rd December 1997 Scottish League (1 day) [Outdoor Ultimate] URL: http://www.ed.ac.uk/~ultimate/ Saturday 6th December 1997 Student Regional Qualifiers (South East) (2 days) @ Brighton [Students' Indoor Ultimate] Contact Kevin "Locks" Brooks Email kevinbr@epunix.susx.ac.uk Contact Simon Weeks Email gga95sew@sheffield.ac.uk Phone 0114 222 9999 ext 52252 TD Alastair Findlay Email A.findlay@bton.ac.uk Student Regional Qualifiers (South West) (2 days) @ Bristol [Students' Indoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hebert Email ch5400@bristol.ac.uk Phone 0117 973 0385 Contact Simon Weeks Email gga95sew@sheffield.ac.uk Phone 0114 222 9999 ext 52252 Student Regional Qualifiers (North) (2 days) @ Lancaster [Students' Indoor Ultimate] Contact Shaun Lohman Email s.lohman@lancaster.ac.uk Phone 01524 874230 Contact Simon Weeks Email gga95sew@sheffield.ac.uk Phone 0114 222 9999 ext 52252 GB Masters training (2 days) @ Warwick University, Coventry [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Dave "Sammy" Neilson Email serai@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sunday 14th December 1997 GB Training (Open, Women and Masters) (1 day) @ Witney [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 20th December 1997 Southampton Indoors (2 days) [Indoor Ultimate] Contact Tim Woolford Email tww93si@soton.ac.uk Phone 01703 672581 Saturday 3rd January 1998 Stains International Indoor Tournament (2 days) @ Stains, France [Indoor Ultimate Abroad] Contact Frederic Gay Email hanovre@club-internet.fr Phone (33) 1.42.58.12.36 Sunday 11th January 1998 GB Training (Open, Women and Masters) (1 day) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 17th January 1998 Women's Indoor Nationals (2 days) [Women's Indoor Ultimate] Contact Tara Jewell Email 97315250@brookes.ac.uk Phone 01865 246158 Contact Emma Jayne Slater Email emma-jayne.slater@gartner.com Wednesday 21st January 1998 Scottish League (1 day) [Outdoor Ultimate] URL: http://www.ed.ac.uk/~ultimate/ Saturday 24th January 1998 Bristol Indoors (2 days) @ Whitchurch Sports Hall, Witchurch, Bristol [Indoor Ultimate] Contact Robert Cole Email robert_cole@hotmail.com Phone 0117 923 7410 (after 7pm) Saturday 31st January 1998 Newport Indoors (2 days) [Indoor Ultimate] Contact Wayne Retter Email Wayne_Retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk Northern Indoors Open (2 days) @ Leeds [Indoor Ultimate] Contact Chewy Email bgy6jgc@SOUTH-02.NOVELL.LEEDS.AC.UK Wednesday 4th February 1998 Scottish League (1 day) [Outdoor Ultimate] URL: http://www.ed.ac.uk/~ultimate/ Sunday 8th February 1998 GB Training (Women and Masters) (1 day) TBC [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 14th February 1998 Regional Indoors (2 days) [Indoor Ultimate] Contact Wayne Davey Email wmd4@student.open.ac.uk Phone 01225 462212 Wednesday 18th February 1998 Scottish League (1 day) [Outdoor Ultimate] URL: http://www.ed.ac.uk/~ultimate/ Saturday 21st February 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Whitcombe, Dorset [Golf] Student Indoor Finals (2 days) @ Manchester [Students' Indoor Ultimate] Contact Simon Weeks Email gga95sew@sheffield.ac.uk Phone 0114 222 9999 ext 52252 Saturday 28th February 1998 Scottish Indoor Regionals (2 days) [Indoor Ultimate] Contact James Spicer Email J.A.Spicer@sms.ed.ac.uk URL http://www.ed.ac.uk/~ultimate Warwick Indoors (2 days) TBC [Indoor Ultimate] Contact Jim Ayrton Email stuly@csv.warwick.ac.uk URL http://www.csv.warwick.ac.uk/~suaaz/ Wednesday 4th March 1998 Scottish League (1 day) [Outdoor Ultimate] URL: http://www.ed.ac.uk/~ultimate/ Sunday 8th March 1998 GB Training (Open, Women and Masters) (1 day) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 14th March 1998 National Indoors (2 days) [Indoor Ultimate] Contact Wayne Davey Email wmd4@student.open.ac.uk Phone 01225 462212 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Quarry Park, Warwickshire [Golf] Saturday 28th March 1998 Tour I (2 days) (Provisional) @ Leicester (TBC) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 4th April 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Ashton Court, Bristol [Golf] Dublin (2 days) TBC [Ultimate] Contact Gareth McFeely Email garreth.mcfeely@iveagh.irlgov.ie Sunday 12th April 1998 GB Training (Open, Women and Masters) (1 day) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 18th April 1998 Tour II (2 days) @ Swidon [Outdoor Ultimate] TD Layout Dreams Saturday 2nd May 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Scottish Open, Isle of Mull [Golf] Saturday 9th May 1998 Tour III (2 days) (Provisional) @ Birmingham [Outdoor Ultimate] TD Charlie Mead Thursday 21st May 1998 Rotterdam (4 days) [Outdoor Ultimate Abroad] Saturday 30th May 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) TBC @ Hayling Island, Southampton [Golf] Saturday 6th June 1998 Fiesta (2 days) TBC [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 13th June 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Quarry Park, Warwickshire [Golf] Saturday 20th June 1998 Tour IV (2 days) @ Southampton [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 4th July 1998 Tour V (2 days) (Provisional) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 11th July 1998 Date reserved (2 days) Saturday 18th July 1998 Date reserved (2 days) BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Whitcombe, Dorset [Golf] Friday 14th August 1998 Worlds (10 days) [Outdoor Ultimate Abroad] Saturday 15th August 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Essex University [Golf] Saturday 29th August 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) TBC @ Perth or Edinburgh [Golf] Friday 11th September 1998 BUF Open (3 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 19th September 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Burnlaw, Horthumberland [Golf] Saturday 26th September 1998 Nationals 98 (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 24th October 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Whitcombe, Dorset [Golf Handicap] ---------------------------------------------------------- British Flying Disc Federation Disc Events Diary http://www.dcs.warwick.ac.uk/~ralf/bfdf/ Ranulf Doswell, ralf@dcs.warwick.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Dec 23 10:55:24 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id KAA28145 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 10:38:34 GMT Received: from firewall2.Lehman.COM (firewall.Lehman.COM [192.147.65.67] (may be forged)) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk 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V1.6) id AA01241; Tue, 23 Dec 97 10:32:42 GMT Message-Id: <349F934A.41C67EA6@lehman.com> Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 10:32:42 +0000 From: Aram Flores Organization: Lehman Brothers, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (X11; I; SunOS 4.1.3 sun4m) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Andy Challis , Andy Lucey , Aram Flores , Christian Nistri , Douglas Milne , Ed Pizey , Guy Bowles , Jonathan Schofield , Mark Perryman , Neil Haliday , Nicholas Haslam , Nick Cash , Nolan Taylor , Ollie Watson , Oz Freire , Pete Harvey , Rafi Freire , Roger Thomson , Sasha Dall , Simon Moore , Steve Young Cc: Esa Pensala , Patrick Winser , "Wagstaff, Colin" , "Martin-Keating,BG" , Ian Batty , "'Ian P. Schnee 99'" , Dr Andy Pardoe , Andy Cotgreave , alex Bowers , Guy.Kennett@meuk.mee.com, "'DAVE TROVELL'" , DAVID BARNARD , T A Watrous , Zaid Rawi , Graham C Fletcher , tos1728@iperbole.bologna.it, P.H.Schuricht@soton.ac.uk, "Paolo A. Nistri" , britdisc Subject: New Years Gun Savage 7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Shotgun Ultimate is Proud to Announce: **** New Years Gun Savage 7 **** A Savage One Day Affair on Sunday January 18th at 9:00am On Wandsworth Common in London New Years Gun Savage 7 will be the second of these events sponsored by Shotgun aimed at improving skills and tactics of the top London (and willing travelers) Ultimate players. We will invite 42 players to the session and divide into 6 equal teams and play a one day tournament. The main idea is to divide the experienced players on Shotgun (and other teams) and mix them with some of the ambitious younger players. We want players that have several years playing experience (and athletic ability) that are seeking to make an impact on the National/European scene. (As we expect to have no costs in running the tourney - it will cost nothing) If you are interested (and fit the above profile) please contact me or another Shotgun member. Please note this is SAVAGE 7 - if you say you are coming you must come or you will screw 41 other players. THERE WILL BE NO SUBS!!! As before, Teams will be selected on the day. Aram, Shotgun Ultimate PS: Shotgun will also be training on Sunday, January 4th at 12:00 (noon) on Wandsworth Common. All the usual suspects are invited. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Dec 24 21:23:35 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id VAA17865 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 24 Dec 1997 21:01:16 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA17860 for ; Wed, 24 Dec 1997 21:01:15 GMT Received: from phidelta.demon.co.uk ([158.152.248.177]) by post.mail.demon.net id ab2008869; 24 Dec 97 20:56 GMT Message-ID: Date: Wed, 24 Dec 1997 19:16:56 +0000 To: BritDisc From: Wayne Retter Subject: 'twas the night before Christmas... MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Trial Version 3.03a Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk and BritDisc was silent... it appeared that all the workers and students were home and preparing for the festivities. Christmas Greetings to all those that bother to collect/read their email on Christmas Day, Seasonal Best Wishes to those of you who wait 'till work or study brings you back in contact with your computers, Wayne -------------------------- Wayne Retter Wayne@phidelta.demon.co.uk http://www.phidelta.demon.co.uk/ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Dec 29 08:08:52 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id HAA02089 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 29 Dec 1997 07:47:04 GMT Received: from gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (ralf@gem [137.205.227.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA02084 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 1997 07:47:02 GMT Received: (from ralf@localhost) by gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id HAA14336 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Mon, 29 Dec 1997 07:47:02 GMT Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 07:47:02 GMT From: Ranulf Doswell Message-Id: <199712290747.HAA14336@gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: BFDF Events Reminder Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk British Flying Disc Federation Disc Events Diary ------------------------------------------------ The new web-based version of this is running again, although the address has now changed to http://www.dcs.warwick.ac.uk/~ralf/bfdf/ Comments on the general formatting will be appreciated (I know it looks disgusting on IE 2, although that's your own fault really :-) ---------- Friday 7th November 1997 Sneekeys' Beginners' Indoor Tournament (2 days) [Beginners' Indoor Ultimate] URL: http://www.ed.ac.uk/~ultimate/beg1997.htm Contact Possum Address 2F3 33 Oxford Street Newington EDINBURGH EH8 9PQ Email D.J.Reid@sms.ed.ac.uk Sunday 9th November 1997 GB Training (Open, Women and Masters) (1 day) [Outdoor Ultimate] Wednesday 19th November 1997 Scottish League (1 day) [Outdoor Ultimate] URL: http://www.ed.ac.uk/~ultimate/ Saturday 29th November 1997 Student Regional Qualifiers (Midlands) (2 days) @ Sheffield [Students' Indoor Ultimate] Contact Simon Weeks Email gga95sew@sheffield.ac.uk Phone 0114 222 9999 ext 52252 Village People Indoors (2 days) @ Trinity School, Croydon [Indoor Ultimate] Contact Paul Hurt Email paul@ultimatum.demon.co.uk Wednesday 3rd December 1997 Scottish League (1 day) [Outdoor Ultimate] URL: http://www.ed.ac.uk/~ultimate/ Saturday 6th December 1997 Student Regional Qualifiers (South East) (2 days) @ Brighton [Students' Indoor Ultimate] Contact Kevin "Locks" Brooks Email kevinbr@epunix.susx.ac.uk Contact Simon Weeks Email gga95sew@sheffield.ac.uk Phone 0114 222 9999 ext 52252 TD Alastair Findlay Email A.findlay@bton.ac.uk Student Regional Qualifiers (South West) (2 days) @ Bristol [Students' Indoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hebert Email ch5400@bristol.ac.uk Phone 0117 973 0385 Contact Simon Weeks Email gga95sew@sheffield.ac.uk Phone 0114 222 9999 ext 52252 Student Regional Qualifiers (North) (2 days) @ Lancaster [Students' Indoor Ultimate] Contact Shaun Lohman Email s.lohman@lancaster.ac.uk Phone 01524 874230 Contact Simon Weeks Email gga95sew@sheffield.ac.uk Phone 0114 222 9999 ext 52252 GB Masters training (2 days) @ Warwick University, Coventry [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Dave "Sammy" Neilson Email serai@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sunday 14th December 1997 GB Training (Open, Women and Masters) (1 day) @ Witney [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 20th December 1997 Southampton Indoors (2 days) [Indoor Ultimate] Contact Tim Woolford Email tww93si@soton.ac.uk Phone 01703 672581 Saturday 3rd January 1998 Stains International Indoor Tournament (2 days) @ Stains, France [Indoor Ultimate Abroad] Contact Frederic Gay Email hanovre@club-internet.fr Phone (33) 1.42.58.12.36 Sunday 11th January 1998 GB Training (Open, Women and Masters) (1 day) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 17th January 1998 Women's Indoor Nationals (2 days) [Women's Indoor Ultimate] Contact Tara Jewell Email 97315250@brookes.ac.uk Phone 01865 246158 Contact Emma Jayne Slater Email emma-jayne.slater@gartner.com Wednesday 21st January 1998 Scottish League (1 day) [Outdoor Ultimate] URL: http://www.ed.ac.uk/~ultimate/ Saturday 24th January 1998 Bristol Indoors (2 days) @ Whitchurch Sports Hall, Witchurch, Bristol [Indoor Ultimate] Contact Robert Cole Email robert_cole@hotmail.com Phone 0117 923 7410 (after 7pm) Saturday 31st January 1998 Newport Indoors (2 days) [Indoor Ultimate] Contact Wayne Retter Email Wayne_Retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk Northern Indoors Open (2 days) @ Leeds [Indoor Ultimate] Contact Chewy Email bgy6jgc@SOUTH-02.NOVELL.LEEDS.AC.UK Wednesday 4th February 1998 Scottish League (1 day) [Outdoor Ultimate] URL: http://www.ed.ac.uk/~ultimate/ Sunday 8th February 1998 GB Training (Women and Masters) (1 day) TBC [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 14th February 1998 Regional Indoors (2 days) [Indoor Ultimate] Contact Wayne Davey Email wmd4@student.open.ac.uk Phone 01225 462212 Wednesday 18th February 1998 Scottish League (1 day) [Outdoor Ultimate] URL: http://www.ed.ac.uk/~ultimate/ Saturday 21st February 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Whitcombe, Dorset [Golf] Student Indoor Finals (2 days) @ Manchester [Students' Indoor Ultimate] Contact Simon Weeks Email gga95sew@sheffield.ac.uk Phone 0114 222 9999 ext 52252 Saturday 28th February 1998 Scottish Indoor Regionals (2 days) [Indoor Ultimate] Contact James Spicer Email J.A.Spicer@sms.ed.ac.uk URL http://www.ed.ac.uk/~ultimate Warwick Indoors (2 days) TBC [Indoor Ultimate] Contact Jim Ayrton Email stuly@csv.warwick.ac.uk URL http://www.csv.warwick.ac.uk/~suaaz/ Wednesday 4th March 1998 Scottish League (1 day) [Outdoor Ultimate] URL: http://www.ed.ac.uk/~ultimate/ Sunday 8th March 1998 GB Training (Open, Women and Masters) (1 day) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 14th March 1998 National Indoors (2 days) [Indoor Ultimate] Contact Wayne Davey Email wmd4@student.open.ac.uk Phone 01225 462212 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Quarry Park, Warwickshire [Golf] Saturday 28th March 1998 Tour I (2 days) (Provisional) @ Leicester (TBC) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 4th April 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Ashton Court, Bristol [Golf] Dublin (2 days) TBC [Ultimate] Contact Gareth McFeely Email garreth.mcfeely@iveagh.irlgov.ie Sunday 12th April 1998 GB Training (Open, Women and Masters) (1 day) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 18th April 1998 Tour II (2 days) @ Swidon [Outdoor Ultimate] TD Layout Dreams Saturday 2nd May 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Scottish Open, Isle of Mull [Golf] Saturday 9th May 1998 Tour III (2 days) (Provisional) @ Birmingham [Outdoor Ultimate] TD Charlie Mead Thursday 21st May 1998 Rotterdam (4 days) [Outdoor Ultimate Abroad] Saturday 30th May 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) TBC @ Hayling Island, Southampton [Golf] Saturday 6th June 1998 Fiesta (2 days) TBC [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 13th June 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Quarry Park, Warwickshire [Golf] Saturday 20th June 1998 Tour IV (2 days) @ Southampton [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 4th July 1998 Tour V (2 days) (Provisional) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 11th July 1998 Date reserved (2 days) Saturday 18th July 1998 Date reserved (2 days) BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Whitcombe, Dorset [Golf] Friday 14th August 1998 Worlds (10 days) [Outdoor Ultimate Abroad] Saturday 15th August 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Essex University [Golf] Saturday 29th August 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) TBC @ Perth or Edinburgh [Golf] Friday 11th September 1998 BUF Open (3 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 19th September 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Burnlaw, Horthumberland [Golf] Saturday 26th September 1998 Nationals 98 (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 24th October 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Whitcombe, Dorset [Golf Handicap] ---------------------------------------------------------- British Flying Disc Federation Disc Events Diary http://www.dcs.warwick.ac.uk/~ralf/bfdf/ Ranulf Doswell, ralf@dcs.warwick.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Jan 2 01:10:01 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id AAA12133 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 00:37:44 GMT Received: from mail.compulink.co.uk (mail.compulink.co.uk [194.153.0.20]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA12127 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 00:37:42 GMT Received: (from root@localhost) by mail.compulink.co.uk (8.8.7/8.8.6) id AAA10970 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 00:37:10 GMT Date: Fri, 2 Jan 98 00:36 GMT0 From: lholden@cix.compulink.co.uk (Louise Holden) Subject: Lurkers Contact Details To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Cc: lholden@cix.compulink.co.uk Reply-To: lholden@cix.compulink.co.uk Message-Id: X-Mail-Software: Ameol2 X-URL: http //www.ameol.com Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Please note that the contact details for the Lurkers have changed. All snail mail should be addressed to Daniel Sheridan 36 Hadrian Close Wallington Surrey SM6 9JE email should be sent to Steve Bridle cepheid@cepheid.demon.co.uk Cheers Paul Holden ex(ish) Lurkers/SLUT From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sat Jan 3 08:02:42 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id HAA06269 for britdisc-outgoing; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 07:42:57 GMT Received: from relay.bt.net (relay.bt.net [194.72.6.52]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id HAA06252; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 07:42:49 GMT Received: from helium.btinternet.com by relay.bt.net with SMTP (PP); Sat, 3 Jan 1998 07:29:20 +0000 Received: from snow.btinternet.com [194.73.73.90] by helium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 1.70 #1) id 0xo5Pt-0002lZ-00; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 11:37:29 +0000 Received: from btinternet.com [195.99.48.226] by snow.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 1.70 #1) id 0xo53W-0003sd-00; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 11:14:23 +0000 Message-ID: To: Andy Hughes <100144.113@compuserve.com>, Beadle , britdisc "(E-mail)" , Dave Neilson , Derek Robins , Dr Andy Pardoe , Gibbons , Ian Scotland , James , jessica hybert , Kermit , Miss A Cros , Ralf , Satvik Chotai , steve , Jim MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mark Jefferson Subject: Hi Ho, Hi Ho..... Date: Fri, 02 Jan 98 11:13:08 GMT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Dear Everyone, I will shortly be joining the world of the Employed and this will be my last contact with email for about a month. Anyone wanting to contact me should phone the Barrow number below and ask my Mum where I am. She probably won't know but it's a start. If it's a Whiplash enquiry speak to Ralf, (Ralf@dcs.warwick.ac.uk) (hope that's OK Ralf?) Failing both of those options, I will be at Stantonbury Campus, Milton Keynes, 9 - 5, Mon - Fri from the 7th January, please feel free to phone. (01908 220066.) See you all at Bristol / Newport / Cheltenham or wherever. Ralf's having a party if you're interested..... Mark Jefferson 10 Park Drive, Barrow-In-Furness, Cumbria, LA13 9BA. 01229 828586. Mark.JJ@btinternet.com From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Jan 5 08:09:25 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id HAA24431 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 07:47:03 GMT Received: from gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (ralf@gem [137.205.227.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA24424 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 07:47:02 GMT Received: (from ralf@localhost) by gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id HAA03886 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 07:47:01 GMT Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 07:47:01 GMT From: Ranulf Doswell Message-Id: <199801050747.HAA03886@gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: BFDF Events Reminder Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk British Flying Disc Federation Disc Events Diary ------------------------------------------------ The events list can also be found at http://www.dcs.warwick.ac.uk/~ralf/bfdf/ ---------- Friday 7th November 1997 Sneekeys' Beginners' Indoor Tournament (2 days) [Beginners' Indoor Ultimate] URL: http://www.ed.ac.uk/~ultimate/beg1997.htm Contact Possum Address 2F3 33 Oxford Street Newington EDINBURGH EH8 9PQ Email D.J.Reid@sms.ed.ac.uk Sunday 9th November 1997 GB Training (Open, Women and Masters) (1 day) [Outdoor Ultimate] Wednesday 19th November 1997 Scottish League (1 day) [Outdoor Ultimate] URL: http://www.ed.ac.uk/~ultimate/ Saturday 29th November 1997 Student Regional Qualifiers (Midlands) (2 days) @ Sheffield [Students' Indoor Ultimate] Contact Simon Weeks Email gga95sew@sheffield.ac.uk Phone 0114 222 9999 ext 52252 Village People Indoors (2 days) @ Trinity School, Croydon [Indoor Ultimate] Contact Paul Hurt Email paul@ultimatum.demon.co.uk Wednesday 3rd December 1997 Scottish League (1 day) [Outdoor Ultimate] URL: http://www.ed.ac.uk/~ultimate/ Saturday 6th December 1997 Student Regional Qualifiers (South East) (2 days) @ Brighton [Students' Indoor Ultimate] Contact Kevin "Locks" Brooks Email kevinbr@epunix.susx.ac.uk Contact Simon Weeks Email gga95sew@sheffield.ac.uk Phone 0114 222 9999 ext 52252 TD Alastair Findlay Email A.findlay@bton.ac.uk Student Regional Qualifiers (South West) (2 days) @ Bristol [Students' Indoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hebert Email ch5400@bristol.ac.uk Phone 0117 973 0385 Contact Simon Weeks Email gga95sew@sheffield.ac.uk Phone 0114 222 9999 ext 52252 Student Regional Qualifiers (North) (2 days) @ Lancaster [Students' Indoor Ultimate] Contact Shaun Lohman Email s.lohman@lancaster.ac.uk Phone 01524 874230 Contact Simon Weeks Email gga95sew@sheffield.ac.uk Phone 0114 222 9999 ext 52252 GB Masters training (2 days) @ Warwick University, Coventry [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Dave "Sammy" Neilson Email serai@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sunday 14th December 1997 GB Training (Open, Women and Masters) (1 day) @ Witney [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 20th December 1997 Southampton Indoors (2 days) [Indoor Ultimate] Contact Tim Woolford Email tww93si@soton.ac.uk Phone 01703 672581 Saturday 3rd January 1998 Stains International Indoor Tournament (2 days) @ Stains, France [Indoor Ultimate Abroad] Contact Frederic Gay Email hanovre@club-internet.fr Phone (33) 1.42.58.12.36 Sunday 11th January 1998 GB Training (Open, Women and Masters) (1 day) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 17th January 1998 Women's Indoor Nationals (2 days) [Women's Indoor Ultimate] Contact Tara Jewell Email 97315250@brookes.ac.uk Phone 01865 246158 Contact Emma Jayne Slater Email emma-jayne.slater@gartner.com Wednesday 21st January 1998 Scottish League (1 day) [Outdoor Ultimate] URL: http://www.ed.ac.uk/~ultimate/ Saturday 24th January 1998 Bristol Indoors (2 days) @ Whitchurch Sports Hall, Witchurch, Bristol [Indoor Ultimate] Contact Robert Cole Email robert_cole@hotmail.com Phone 0117 923 7410 (after 7pm) Saturday 31st January 1998 Newport Indoors (2 days) [Indoor Ultimate] Contact Wayne Retter Email Wayne_Retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk Northern Indoors Open (2 days) @ Leeds [Indoor Ultimate] Contact Chewy Email bgy6jgc@SOUTH-02.NOVELL.LEEDS.AC.UK Wednesday 4th February 1998 Scottish League (1 day) [Outdoor Ultimate] URL: http://www.ed.ac.uk/~ultimate/ Sunday 8th February 1998 GB Training (Women and Masters) (1 day) TBC [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 14th February 1998 Regional Indoors (2 days) [Indoor Ultimate] Contact Wayne Davey Email wmd4@student.open.ac.uk Phone 01225 462212 Wednesday 18th February 1998 Scottish League (1 day) [Outdoor Ultimate] URL: http://www.ed.ac.uk/~ultimate/ Saturday 21st February 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Whitcombe, Dorset [Golf] Student Indoor Finals (2 days) @ Manchester [Students' Indoor Ultimate] Contact Simon Weeks Email gga95sew@sheffield.ac.uk Phone 0114 222 9999 ext 52252 Saturday 28th February 1998 Scottish Indoor Regionals (2 days) [Indoor Ultimate] Contact James Spicer Email J.A.Spicer@sms.ed.ac.uk URL http://www.ed.ac.uk/~ultimate Warwick Indoors (2 days) TBC [Indoor Ultimate] Contact Jim Ayrton Email stuly@csv.warwick.ac.uk URL http://www.csv.warwick.ac.uk/~suaaz/ Wednesday 4th March 1998 Scottish League (1 day) [Outdoor Ultimate] URL: http://www.ed.ac.uk/~ultimate/ Sunday 8th March 1998 GB Training (Open, Women and Masters) (1 day) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 14th March 1998 National Indoors (2 days) [Indoor Ultimate] Contact Wayne Davey Email wmd4@student.open.ac.uk Phone 01225 462212 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Quarry Park, Warwickshire [Golf] Saturday 28th March 1998 Tour I (2 days) (Provisional) @ Leicester (TBC) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 4th April 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Ashton Court, Bristol [Golf] Dublin (2 days) TBC [Ultimate] Contact Gareth McFeely Email garreth.mcfeely@iveagh.irlgov.ie Sunday 12th April 1998 GB Training (Open, Women and Masters) (1 day) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 18th April 1998 Tour II (2 days) @ Swidon [Outdoor Ultimate] TD Layout Dreams Saturday 2nd May 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Scottish Open, Isle of Mull [Golf] Saturday 9th May 1998 Tour III (2 days) (Provisional) @ Birmingham [Outdoor Ultimate] TD Charlie Mead Thursday 21st May 1998 Rotterdam (4 days) [Outdoor Ultimate Abroad] Saturday 30th May 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) TBC @ Hayling Island, Southampton [Golf] Saturday 6th June 1998 Fiesta (2 days) TBC [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 13th June 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Quarry Park, Warwickshire [Golf] Saturday 20th June 1998 Tour IV (2 days) @ Southampton [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 4th July 1998 Tour V (2 days) (Provisional) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 11th July 1998 Date reserved (2 days) Saturday 18th July 1998 Date reserved (2 days) BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Whitcombe, Dorset [Golf] Friday 14th August 1998 Worlds (10 days) [Outdoor Ultimate Abroad] Saturday 15th August 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Essex University [Golf] Saturday 29th August 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) TBC @ Perth or Edinburgh [Golf] Friday 11th September 1998 BUF Open (3 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 19th September 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Burnlaw, Horthumberland [Golf] Saturday 26th September 1998 Nationals 98 (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 24th October 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Whitcombe, Dorset [Golf Handicap] ---------------------------------------------------------- British Flying Disc Federation Disc Events Diary http://www.dcs.warwick.ac.uk/~ralf/bfdf/ Ranulf Doswell, ralf@dcs.warwick.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Jan 5 09:47:48 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id JAA02774 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 09:30:45 GMT Received: from mailhost.dircon.co.uk (mailhost.dircon.co.uk [194.112.32.10]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA02763 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 09:30:43 GMT Received: from [194.112.55.86] (th-eng05-086.pool.dircon.co.uk [194.112.55.86]) by mailhost.dircon.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA10073 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 09:30:41 GMT Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 09:30:41 GMT X-Sender: daltay@194.112.32.30 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: Dale Taylor Subject: Ross Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Can anyone tell me the dates of the Ross tourny this year please? Nolan From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Jan 5 23:53:18 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id XAA29288 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 23:30:41 GMT Received: from hotmail.com (F40.hotmail.com [207.82.250.51]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA29276 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 23:30:36 GMT Received: (qmail 9994 invoked by uid 0); 5 Jan 1998 23:29:56 -0000 Message-ID: <19980105232956.9993.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 193.237.45.204 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 05 Jan 1998 15:29:53 PST X-Originating-IP: [193.237.45.204] From: "Robert Cole" To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Bristol Indoors Information Pack Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 15:29:53 PST Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Information pack for Bristol Indoors 24th-25th January 1998 Venue The event will take place at Whitchurch Sports Centre, Bamfield Road to the South of Bristol on the 24th and 25th of January 1998. Play will be from about 9am - 6pm on both days. Captains meeting is at 9:15am on Saturday morning and you should aim to arrive by 9am. The first day's play will be on two pitches with the teams being split into four pools of 6. The second day will be on a single pitch for all of the quarters, semis and finals (except for spoon quarters which are on the first day). Directions: From the East: Approaching Bristol on the M4 come off at J19 onto the M32 following signs for Bristol/City Centre etc. Stay on the M32 till the end where it becomes Newfoundland Way. At the traffic lights turn left following signs for Temple Meads railway station. Go under the underpass still following for the station. Past the station, get in the right hand lane with A37 painted on the road go over the bridge and and fork right onto the A37 at the traffic lights. Follow this for about 1 mile and then turn right onto the A4174 ring road. Another half mile and then left onto Bamfield Road where the Sports Centre is signposted at the turning. Keep on this road and you will see the sports centre after about 1/2 mile, turn right into the car park just after the main buildings. From the North: Approaching Bristol on the M5 you should take the M4 east towards Swindon before turning onto the M32 towards Bristol/City Centre. Follow directions as above from here. Accommodation For a full list of accommodation in Bristol, call the Bristol Tourist Information Centre on 0117 9260767. A brief resume of it's contents are listed below. Hotels: Best for crashing out in after the party, The Berkeley Square Hotel, 0117 9252970, 3 stars, 30 seconds walk from both the pub and the club, from 49 a night, 3 star. Cheap ones: Jury's Bristol Hotel, 36+ quid, 3 star, 0117 923 0333 The Seeleys Hotel, 40+, 2/3 star, 0117 973 8544 Guest Houses: K Linton Homes, 22+, 0117 973 7326 Downs View Guest Hs, 25+, 0117 973 7046 Sunderland Guest Hs, 30+, 0117 973 7249 Oakfield Hotel, 26+, 0117 973 5556 Other: As a last ditch effort, there may be space on the floor of various Mythago players, but we really don't want to do this, as it is not a Mythago tournament, and so the will all get rather stroppy about it. If you are really stumped, call Rob or Chris, and we might be able to fix something up. Or suck up to any Headrush players you may know. Like Pete. He's got a big house. Or so Laura tells me. Or is that something else? Anyway... Saturday Night The party on Saturday night will take place at La Rocca night club on Triangle South which opens at around 10pm. A convenient pub to go to beforehand is the Berkeley, (part of the Wetherspoons chain) situated on Queens Road just along from the night club, as it is fairly large and serves a wide variety of beers at acceptable prices. It also serves food if you want to eat here as well otherwise some restaurants are listed below. Restaurants: Dotted around the Triangle area are many restaurants and eateries so there is a wide choice if you are prepared to look but below is a small selection of the more popular choices. Indian All the cheaper curry houses are along a very short stretch of Cotham Hill, which is about a 10-15 minute walk up Whiteladies Road from the night club and the Berkeley. Pick of the bunch is Sultan's which serves the best quality food but if you are looking for rapid service the Balti House is worth a look. If you want a curry house closer by, the Rajdoot Tandoori is at the top of Park Street although is more pricey. Pizza Half way down Park Street on the left hand side (going down) is Pizza Plus and nearer the top down a small side street off to the right (Berkeley Square) is Pizza Express. Both have a good choice of Italian food at reasonable prices. Mexican On Triangle West you will find Chiquitos, a Mexican restaurant which also has a huge cocktails menu which are at happy hour prices untill 8pm. Just a word of warning, there is no McDonalds or Burger King in this part of town if that's what you are after. Tournament Format First round: In four pools of six each team will play the other five in the pool getting 2 points for a win and 1 for a draw. In the event of two teams being tied at the end of the first round the placings will depend on the head-to-head result of their match. Game length: 14 minutes Changeover time: 1 minute No half times or time outs Second round: After the first round is completed the 24 teams will split into top, middle and bottom eights to play for the cup, plate and spoon respectively in a standard quarter, semi and final format. Games will be played to the times as shown below or to a point score (to be decided later), whichever comes first. In the event of a tied game at the buzzer the current point shall be completed making it sudden death. Game lengths: Quarters 14mins Semis 15mins Final round 17mins Spoon/Plate Final 20mins FINAL 24mins Changeover: 1 minute No time outs No half times except for Spoon/Plate Finals and FINAL at a point score to be decided Contact Details Rob Cole: Up to 24/12/97, 0117 923 7410. After, 01732 743357 until 7/1/98. 0961 170759 anyime. Email on robert_cole@hotmail.com, but won't be read after 24/12/97, until 23/1/98. Chris Hebert: From now to 10/1/98, 01732 464218, after, 0117 9730385. Email on ch5400@bris.ac.uk, will only be read after 10/1/98. Bristol Ultimate Frisbee Tournament Whitchurch Sports Centre 24th-25th January 1998 Pool A Pool B Pool C Pool D A1 UTI B1 Punks C1 Shrub D1 Slow Wht A2 Ow! B2 BAF C2 Mr Men D2 Watershd A3 Angels B3 Mohawks C3 Village D3 Mythago1 A4 Mud Clt B4 Picnic C4 Bears D4 Skunks A5 Ex Url B5 Nht Fvr C5 Whiplsh D5 Mad Kows A6 Slp Dsc B6 Snatch C6 M'go2 D6 Mohawks2 Saturday 24th January Sunday 25th January Time Pitch 1 Pitch 2 Time Match Teams 09:30 A1 v A4 C1 v C4 09:00 PQ1 A3 v B4 09:45 B1 v B4 D1 v D4 09:15 PQ2 B3 v A4 10:00 A2 v A5 C2 v C5 09:30 PQ3 C3 v D4 10:15 B2 v B5 D2 v D5 09:45 PQ4 D3 v C4 10:30 A3 v A6 C3 v C6 10:00 Q1 A1 v B2 10:45 B3 v B6 D3 v D6 10:15 Q2 B1 v A2 11:00 A1 v A5 C1 v C5 10:30 Q3 C1 v D2 11:15 B1 v B5 D1 v D5 10:45 Q4 D1 v C2 11:30 A2 v A4 C2 v C4 11:00 SS1LSQ1 v LSQ4 11:45 B2 v B4 D2 v D4 11:16 SS2LSQ2 v LSQ3 12:00 A1 v A6 C1 v C6 11:32 SS3WSQ1v LSQ4 12:15 B1 v B6 D1 v D6 11:48 SS4WSQ v LSQ3 12:30 A3 v A5 C3 v C5 12:04 PS1LPQ1 v LPQ4 12:45 B3 v B5 D3 v D5 12:20 PS2LPQ2 v LPQ3 13:00 A4 v A6 C4 v C6 12:36 PS3WPQ1vWPQ4 13:15 B4 v B6 D4 v D6 12:52 PS4WPQ2vWPQ3 13:30 A1 v A2 C1 v C2 13:08 S1 LQ1 v LQ4 13:45 B1 v B2 D1 v D2 13:24 S2 LQ2 v LQ3 14:00 A4 v A5 C4 v C5 13:40 S3 WQ1 v WQ4 14:15 B4 v B5 D4 v D5 13:56 S4 WQ2 v WQ3 14:30 A1 v A3 C1 v C3 14:12 23v24LSS1vLSS2 14:45 B1 v B3 D1 v D3 14:30 21v22WSS1vWSS2 15:00 A2 v A6 C2 v C6 14:48 19 v 20 LSS3 vLSS4 15:15 B2 v B6 D2 v D6 15:06 15 v 16 LPS1vLPS2 15:30 A3 v A4 C3 v C4 15:24 13 v 14WPS1vWPS2 15:45 B3 v B4 D3 v D4 15:42 11 v 12 LPS3 v LPS4 16:00 A5 v A6 C5 v C6 16:00 7 v 8 LS1 v LS2 16:15 B5 v B6 D5 v D6 16:18 5 v 6 WS1 v WS2 16:30 A2 v A3 C2 v C3 16:36 3 v 4 LS3 v LS4 16:45 B2 v B3 D2 v D3 16:54 Spoon F WSS3vWSS4 END OF FIRST ROUND 17:15 Plate F WPS3 v WPS4 10min break 17:36 FINAL WS3 v WS4 START OF SECOND ROUND Second round key Time Match Teams "A5,B1 etc.:" final pool position 16:55 SQ1 A5 v B6 L / W : losing / winning team 17:10 SQ2 B5 v A6 S / P : spoon / plate comp 17:25 SQ3 C5 v D6 Q / S : quarter / semi final 17:40 SQ4 D5 v C6 e.g.: LSS1 losing team in spoon semi 1 Any problems or queries, please phone me or Chris, see contact details above. Have fun Rob Cole robert_cole@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Jan 6 10:54:54 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id KAA16134 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 10:29:55 GMT Received: from src.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (ralf@src [137.205.227.132]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA16125 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 10:29:53 GMT Received: (from ralf@localhost) by src.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA29537 for britdisc@csv; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 10:28:59 GMT From: Ralf Message-Id: <199801061028.KAA29537@src.dcs.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: New Years Gun Savage 7 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 10:28:58 +0000 (GMT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL35 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk ----- Forwarded message from owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk ----- Sender: aflores@lehman.com Message-Id: <34B1FE35.59E2B600@lehman.com> Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 09:49:41 +0000 From: Aram Flores Subject: New Years Gun Savage 7 References: <349F934A.41C67EA6@lehman.com> HEADCOUNT TIME!!! I need confirmation from everyone who is planning on coming to our little dance. Please let me know by Monday January 12th, to give me a couple of days to ensure that the numbers are even. Aram Aram Flores wrote: > > Shotgun Ultimate is Proud to Announce: > > **** New Years Gun Savage 7 **** > > A Savage One Day Affair on Sunday January 18th at 9:00am > > On Wandsworth Common in London > > New Years Gun Savage 7 will be the second of these events sponsored by > Shotgun aimed at improving skills and tactics of the top London (and > willing travelers) Ultimate players. We will invite 42 players to the > session and divide into 6 equal teams and play a one day tournament. > The main idea is to divide the experienced players on Shotgun (and other > teams) and mix them with some of the ambitious younger players. We want > players that have several years playing experience (and athletic > ability) that are seeking to make an impact on the National/European > scene. (As we expect to have no costs in running the tourney - it will > cost nothing) > > If you are interested (and fit the above profile) please contact me or > another Shotgun member. Please note this is SAVAGE 7 - if you say you > are coming you must come or you will screw 41 other players. > > THERE WILL BE NO SUBS!!! > > As before, Teams will be selected on the day. > > Aram, Shotgun Ultimate > ----- End of forwarded message from owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk ----- ____ ____ _ _ ____ .----------------------------------------. _\__ \ _\__ \ / \ / \\__/ | Ranulf Doswell | / \_/ /_ / \_/ \ / / / /___ | Department of Computer Science | \ __ \\ __ \\ \ _\ \\_/ |University of Warwick, COVENTRY, CV4 7AL| \ \ \ \\ \ \ \\ \__/ \\ \ | Phone: 01203 523 296 | \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \______/ \_/ `----------------------------------------' From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Jan 6 16:14:49 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id PAA02477 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 15:05:26 GMT Received: from ns01.sbphrd.com (firewall-user@ns01.sbphrd.com [208.198.64.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA02372 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 15:04:52 GMT From: Suzanne_C_Penfold@sbphrd.com Received: by ns01.sbphrd.com; id KAA27337; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 10:04:42 -0500 Received: from phinet.sbphrd.com(139.136.64.5) by ns01.sbphrd.com via smap (3.2) id xma026861; Tue, 6 Jan 98 10:04:05 -0500 Received: from uksmtp01.ha.uk.sbphrd.com by phinet.sbphrd.com; (5.65v3.0/1.1.8.2/06Mar95-1250PM) id AA14216; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 10:04:04 -0500 Received: by uksmtp01.ha.uk.sbphrd.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.1 (385.6 5-6-1997)) id 80256584.0052E651 ; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 15:05:29 +0000 X-Lotus-Fromdomain: SB_PHARM_RD To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Message-Id: <80256584.0052495E.00@uksmtp01.ha.uk.sbphrd.com> Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 15:01:41 +0000 Subject: Chaos practice Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk cc: From: Suzanne C Penfold @ SB_PHARM_RD Date: 06-Jan-98 03:01:41 PM Subject: Chaos practice Categories: Hi people, I am hoping to go to the Chaos practice in Trent Park tomorrow but I need directions. Is there someone out there who can help me or can give the e mail address or phone number of a Chaos representative? Cheers Suze (Skunk/WIB kind of gal) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Jan 6 19:52:44 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id TAA11162 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 19:30:33 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.154]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA11155 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 19:30:30 GMT Received: from phidelta.demon.co.uk ([158.152.248.177]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa1012529; 6 Jan 98 19:30 GMT Message-ID: Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 19:29:22 +0000 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: Wayne Retter Subject: Re: Ross In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Trial Version 3.04 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Ross 98 is being organised by Adam Batchelor As far as Iknow, he's working on securing the dates at the moment - but I don't know which he's going for... Wayne Retter past Ross-on-Wye TD Nolan writes >Can anyone tell me the dates of the Ross tourny this year please? > >Nolan PS: Oz hope this answers your query too! -------------------------- Wayne Retter Wayne@phidelta.demon.co.uk http://www.phidelta.demon.co.uk/ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Jan 7 21:48:23 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id VAA26062 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 21:24:54 GMT Received: from brookes.ac.uk (csmail.brookes.ac.uk [161.73.1.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA26052 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 21:24:52 GMT Received: from 97315250 by brookes.ac.uk (8.8.7/) id VAA12761; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 21:24:50 GMT Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 21:24:50 GMT From: jewell tara s <97315250@brookes.ac.uk> Message-Id: <199801072124.VAA12761@brookes.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Brookes Windows Client ver. 4.2b To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Women's Indoor Nationals Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Here are the teams. Unfortunately there are a few teams who wish to play but can't as we are full. If any of the successful teams are in doubt as to whether they will have enough players please get in touch with me as soon as possible or pick up a few more people. It will be unfair if, after having turned teams away, incomplete teams turn up to play. To help players pick up I have listed a team contact, this though is no indication that these team do need more players, they may already have enough, but it's worth ringing/emailing and asking. Maps etc are in the post (with the exception of Phat'Eds - please email me your address). Red - Leicester, Debbie Mann 0116 2704930 or dmann@globalnet.co.uk Bears - Warwick, Jim Ayrton stuly@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mud Culture - Glasgow, Mo Robertson 0141 3395791 Organics - Bristol/Bath, Lucy Byrne 01225 462212 Phat'Eds - Sheffield, Steve - no contact Sneeekeys I & II - Edinburgh, Emma Beatty 0131 6675336 emmab@chem.ed.ac.uk Snatch 22- Leeds, Sue Pioli 0113 2280763 mat5sep@leeds.ac.uk Picnic/Uriel - Exeter, Sue Farley 01392 493127 Elle/Twin Peaks - Midlands, Helen Myers 01606 782997 Women in Black - S'ampton, Jo 01703 672415 Bliss - London, Tara 01865 246158 Headington Horrors - Oxford school team Flowering Garden - London school team 0181 - London, Fiona 0181 8895671 Ow!- Oxford, Tara 01865 246158 See you on the 17th. Tara From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Jan 8 00:54:30 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id AAA13941 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 00:25:26 GMT Received: from wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk (bee.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk [131.111.48.99]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA13931 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 00:25:13 GMT Received: by wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk (UK-Smail 3.1.25.1/15) id ; Thu, 8 Jan 98 00:25 GMT Message-Id: Date: Thu, 8 Jan 98 00:25 GMT From: mackay@mrao.cam.ac.uk (David J.C. MacKay) To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: GB Masters practice? Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Please could someone tell us where and when the GB masters practice is this Sunday, and please could we have directions? Thanks David From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Jan 8 15:42:13 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id PAA21318 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 15:22:59 GMT Received: from interlock.gartner.com ([198.81.204.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA21292 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 15:22:46 GMT From: emma-jayne.slater@gartner.com Received: by interlock.gartner.com id AA17340 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk); Thu, 8 Jan 1998 10:21:16 -0500 Message-Id: <199801081521.AA17340@interlock.gartner.com> Received: by interlock.gartner.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Thu, 8 Jan 1998 10:21:16 -0500 X-Openmail-Hops: 2 Date: Thu, 8 Jan 98 15:28:50 -0500 Subject: Bliss in the Express on Sunday Mime-Version: 1.0 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; name="Text" Content-Disposition: inline; filename="Text" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk If anyone is interested there will be an article in the sports section of the Express on Sunday, this Sunday, featuring Bliss. We hold no responsibility for content or photos. Bliss-ful Reading. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Jan 9 03:42:39 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id DAA09792 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 03:20:24 GMT Received: from wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk (wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk [131.111.48.24]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id DAA09773 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 03:20:20 GMT Received: by wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk (UK-Smail 3.1.25.1/15) id ; Fri, 9 Jan 98 03:20 GMT Message-Id: Date: Fri, 9 Jan 98 03:20 GMT From: mackay@mrao.cam.ac.uk (David J.C. MacKay) To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: GB masters Witney lift request Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Wayne says the GBM practice is at Witney at 11am on Sunday. Please could anyone offer me a lift from Oxford to Witney on Sunday AM --- or else tell me how to get there by public transport? Many thanks David ========================================================================== David J.C. MacKay email: mackay@mrao.cam.ac.uk www: http://wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk/mackay/ Cavendish Laboratory, tel: (01223) 339852 fax: 354599 home: 276411 Madingley Road, international code: +44 1223 Cambridge CB3 0HE. U.K. room: 982 Rutherford Building (I don't know whee the Monks practice ground is) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Jan 9 09:25:27 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id JAA01971 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:02:59 GMT Received: from klingon.netkonect.net (klingon.netkonect.net [194.62.44.11]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA01965 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:02:56 GMT Received: from l-rconsulting.netkonect.co.uk (l-rconsulting [194.164.3.97]) by klingon.netkonect.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA04948 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:00:28 GMT Message-Id: <199801090900.JAA04948@klingon.netkonect.net> From: "Sean Young" To: "Britdisc" Subject: Paul Hurt only Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 08:53:23 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Paul I have been away for 4 months. Didn't receive an Ultimatum. Was there an Autumn or Winter edition in my absence? I have been away from Sep until now. Hope all well. Sean Young From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sat Jan 10 00:35:41 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id AAA23435 for britdisc-outgoing; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 00:10:03 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.154]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA23411 for ; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 00:10:01 GMT Received: from ultimatum.demon.co.uk ([158.152.203.174]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa1022768; 10 Jan 98 0:00 GMT Subject: Ultimatum - what's happening, in brief Date: Sat, 10 Jan 98 00:05:19 +0000 x-sender: ultimatum@pop3.demon.co.uk x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: Paul Hurt To: Sean Young , BritDisc Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Message-ID: <884390452.1022768.0@ultimatum.demon.co.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk >Paul > >I have been away for 4 months. Didn't receive an Ultimatum. Was there an >Autumn or Winter edition in my absence? I have been away from Sep until >now. > >Hope all well. > >Sean Young Hi Sean and everyone else Oops, Ultimatum, yes, well... Big changes are afoot with Ultimatum. We've decided to abandon the big glossy format (a bit impractical and expensive) and we're going to do lots of cheap updates instead, which should mean we can get them out much more frequently. And there'll be a website where news will get posted pretty much immediately, if you can't be bothered to wait. Then at the end of each year there'll be a "Review" edition, a big (thirty pages or so!) glossy colour issue with loads of photos from the previous indoor and outdoor seasons. There WILL be a "Review of 97" which I hope will make up for the lack of Ultimatums this (I mean last) year. Hoping to have that ready to go by the end of February. In the meantime, there'll be an Ultimatum Update published by the end of this month (out at Newport hopefully) which will explain what's happening in more detail, as well as containing other recent news, the diary, and so on. Sorry it's been so long since the last issue. I took on a bit too much over the summer. And buying property doesn't help - having a mortgage tends to rearrange your priorities slightly. So apologies for the break in service - I'm working on it. Which reminds me, anyone who'd be prepared to assist with the "London Ultimate Session" this year (starting April) please get in touch. ("The London what?" Visit http://www.ultimatum.demon.co.uk/lus/ ) See you soon Paul --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Hurt Editor, Ultimatum Magazine, London, England editor@ultimatum.demon.co.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sat Jan 10 14:11:16 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id NAA07579 for britdisc-outgoing; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 13:44:00 GMT Received: from wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk (bee.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk [131.111.48.99]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA07574 for ; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 13:43:57 GMT Received: by wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk (UK-Smail 3.1.25.1/15) id ; Sat, 10 Jan 98 13:43 GMT Message-Id: Date: Sat, 10 Jan 98 13:43 GMT From: mackay@mrao.cam.ac.uk (David J.C. MacKay) To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Witney Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk I don't know if anyone else needs information about Witney like I do -- anyway, here is what I have found out thus far: 1) The T100 bus (thames transit) goes every 15 mins, every day, from Oxford bus station to Witney. A bus also goes from the railway station in Oxford. 2) The practice is probably at a place called the Leys but I haven't found out how to get there once in Witney. Contact numbers: A) 01993 776969 Derek Smart, Monks, after 5pm. B) Jon Hope and I both need lifts from Oxford if available. Jon is 01865 246 158 I will be at 01865 763 957 -- if anyone wants to help us out. Thanks , David ========================================================================== David J.C. MacKay email: mackay@mrao.cam.ac.uk www: http://wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk/mackay/ Cavendish Laboratory, tel: (01223) 339852 fax: 354599 home: 276411 Madingley Road, international code: +44 1223 Cambridge CB3 0HE. U.K. room: 982 Rutherford Building From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Jan 12 08:06:41 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id HAA27524 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 07:47:04 GMT Received: from gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (ralf@gem [137.205.227.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA27517 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 07:47:02 GMT Received: (from ralf@localhost) by gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id HAA19378 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 07:47:02 GMT Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 07:47:02 GMT From: Ranulf Doswell Message-Id: <199801120747.HAA19378@gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: BFDF Events Reminder Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk British Flying Disc Federation Disc Events Diary ------------------------------------------------ The events list can also be found at http://www.dcs.warwick.ac.uk/~ralf/bfdf/ ---------- Saturday 17th January 1998 Women's Indoor Nationals (2 days) [Women's Indoor Ultimate] Contact Tara Jewell Email 97315250@brookes.ac.uk Phone 01865 246158 Contact Emma Jayne Slater Email emma-jayne.slater@gartner.com Wednesday 21st January 1998 Scottish League (1 day) [Outdoor Ultimate] URL: http://www.ed.ac.uk/~ultimate/ Saturday 24th January 1998 Bristol Indoors (2 days) @ Whitchurch Sports Hall, Witchurch, Bristol [Indoor Ultimate] Contact Robert Cole Email robert_cole@hotmail.com Phone 0117 923 7410 (after 7pm) Saturday 31st January 1998 Newport Indoors (2 days) [Indoor Ultimate] Contact Wayne Retter Email Wayne_Retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk Northern Indoors Open (2 days) @ Leeds [Indoor Ultimate] Contact Chewy Email bgy6jgc@SOUTH-02.NOVELL.LEEDS.AC.UK Wednesday 4th February 1998 Scottish League (1 day) [Outdoor Ultimate] URL: http://www.ed.ac.uk/~ultimate/ Sunday 8th February 1998 GB Training (Women and Masters) (1 day) TBC [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 14th February 1998 Regional Indoors (2 days) [Indoor Ultimate] Contact Wayne Davey Email wmd4@student.open.ac.uk Phone 01225 462212 Wednesday 18th February 1998 Scottish League (1 day) [Outdoor Ultimate] URL: http://www.ed.ac.uk/~ultimate/ Saturday 21st February 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Whitcombe, Dorset [Golf] Student Indoor Finals (2 days) @ Manchester [Students' Indoor Ultimate] Contact Simon Weeks Email gga95sew@sheffield.ac.uk Phone 0114 222 9999 ext 52252 Saturday 28th February 1998 Scottish Indoor Regionals (2 days) [Indoor Ultimate] Contact James Spicer Email J.A.Spicer@sms.ed.ac.uk URL http://www.ed.ac.uk/~ultimate/ Warwick Indoors (2 days) [Indoor Ultimate] Contact Jim Ayrton Email stuly@csv.warwick.ac.uk URL http://www.csv.warwick.ac.uk/~suaaz/ Wednesday 4th March 1998 Scottish League (1 day) [Outdoor Ultimate] URL: http://www.ed.ac.uk/~ultimate/ Sunday 8th March 1998 GB Training (Open, Women and Masters) (1 day) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 14th March 1998 National Indoors (2 days) [Indoor Ultimate] Contact Wayne Davey Email wmd4@student.open.ac.uk Phone 01225 462212 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Quarry Park, Warwickshire [Golf] Saturday 28th March 1998 Tour I (2 days) (Provisional) @ Leicester (TBC) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 4th April 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Ashton Court, Bristol [Golf] Dublin (2 days) TBC [Ultimate] Contact Gareth McFeely Email garreth.mcfeely@iveagh.irlgov.ie Sunday 12th April 1998 GB Training (Open, Women and Masters) (1 day) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 18th April 1998 Tour II (2 days) @ Swidon [Outdoor Ultimate] TD Layout Dreams Saturday 2nd May 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Scottish Open, Isle of Mull [Golf] Saturday 9th May 1998 Tour III (2 days) (Provisional) @ Birmingham [Outdoor Ultimate] TD Charlie Mead Thursday 21st May 1998 Rotterdam (4 days) [Outdoor Ultimate Abroad] Saturday 30th May 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) TBC @ Hayling Island, Southampton [Golf] Saturday 6th June 1998 Fiesta (2 days) TBC [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 13th June 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Quarry Park, Warwickshire [Golf] Saturday 20th June 1998 Tour IV (2 days) @ Southampton [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 4th July 1998 Tour V (2 days) (Provisional) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 11th July 1998 Date reserved (2 days) Saturday 18th July 1998 Date reserved (2 days) BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Whitcombe, Dorset [Golf] Friday 14th August 1998 Worlds (10 days) [Outdoor Ultimate Abroad] Saturday 15th August 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Essex University [Golf] Saturday 29th August 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) TBC @ Perth or Edinburgh [Golf] Friday 11th September 1998 BUF Open (3 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 19th September 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Burnlaw, Horthumberland [Golf] Saturday 26th September 1998 Nationals 98 (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 24th October 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Whitcombe, Dorset [Golf Handicap] ---------------------------------------------------------- British Flying Disc Federation Disc Events Diary http://www.dcs.warwick.ac.uk/~ralf/bfdf/ Ranulf Doswell, ralf@dcs.warwick.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Jan 12 11:58:46 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id LAA28695 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 11:16:30 GMT Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@thistle [137.205.128.4]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA28621 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 11:16:08 GMT Received: from sunserv5.leeds.ac.uk (sunserv5.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.16.35]) by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA27616 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 11:16:05 GMT Received: from south-02.novell.leeds.ac.uk (south-02.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.76.2]) by sunserv5.leeds.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA15525 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 11:11:12 GMT Received: from LUCS-H12/SpoolDir by south-02.novell.leeds.ac.uk (Mercury 1.31); 12 Jan 98 11:11:45 GMT0BST Received: from SpoolDir by LUCS-H12 (Mercury 1.31); 12 Jan 98 11:11:24 GMT0BST From: "Chewy" Organization: University of Leeds To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 11:11:00 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Northern Indoor Qualifiers X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.54) Message-ID: <1180D6E31FB9@south-02.novell.leeds.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Could any of the Northern teams who want to enter the Indoor Open at Leeds please return their invites to me as soon as possible. If any of the teams have not received their invite please contact me. The tourney is on the 31st Jan/ 1st Feb so we are really starting to push organisational deadlines. Cheers John Chewins (Leeds Jedi) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Jan 12 16:02:33 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id PAA28037 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 15:40:11 GMT Received: from venus.open.ac.uk (venus.open.ac.uk [137.108.143.2]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA28021 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 15:40:07 GMT Received: from msmgate3.open.ac.uk by venus with SMTP Local (MMTA v2.2); Mon, 12 Jan 1998 14:26:53 +0000 Received: by msmgate3.open.ac.uk with Microsoft Mail id <34BA281A@msmgate3.open.ac.uk>; Mon, 12 Jan 98 14:26:34 GMT From: "E.C.Gonsalves -Eddie Gonsalves" To: BritDisc Cc: Ind-Ultimate-List Subject: Discs for Bosnia Date: Mon, 12 Jan 98 14:26:00 GMT Message-ID: <34BA281A@msmgate3.open.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi folks I'm not sure of the extent to which the list allows such requests, but it seems to me that this can only serve the sport favorably so hear goes: There is a small, self-organised, Milton Keynes-based, Bosnian aid group that is looking for clothes and toys for a small non-aided village in Bosnia, Olovo. The group's next convoy leaves Milton Keynes (MK) in April, and a couple of the drivers are from here at the Open University (the Mad Kows home base). I thought that discs would make a perfect item to send for the following reasons: 1. Functional- they are light, and easy to pack. 2. Egalitarian and gender free: as gifts the children can't fight over the difference between one disc and another, so making it easy for the teachers to distribute between all ages and sexes. 3. Simple: I cannot think of a sporting item, or toy, which is more uplifting and liberating in character, apart from possibly balls.... If you'd like to donate a disc/s (in new condition, so that the kids don't have to fight over newness) then please let me know by e-mail. Alternatively, give your disc to a Mad Kow at any of the tournaments we shall be at before April. So far these are: Bristol Indoors (24th-25th Jan) and with Alien Nation at the Student Finals. If you are going to do this as a team, and contribute a number of discs, including a team photo would be great so that we can send it along with the discs to the kids for their school archive.... I apologise for taking up your time....hope you can contribute.... ta eddie (Mad Kow) e.c.gonsalves@open.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Jan 12 17:25:12 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id QAA12902 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 16:53:11 GMT Received: from amsta.leeds.ac.uk (amsta.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA12892 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 16:53:08 GMT Received: from newton.leeds.amsta (newton.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.64]) by amsta.leeds.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA24483 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 16:53:49 GMT Received: by newton.leeds.amsta (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id QAA04754; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 16:55:47 GMT Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 16:55:47 GMT From: amtsjh@amsta.leeds.ac.uk (S J Hill) Message-Id: <199801121655.QAA04754@newton.leeds.amsta> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: WOMENs OUTDOOR tournament X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Sue Underwood asked me to pass this info on. (Its not on today's diary update- will be next week.) "SPRING INTO ACTION" 1998 Women's Outdoor Ultimate Date: 7/8 March Venue: Univ. of Warwick (tbc) Time: SAT- 11am for 11:30 start Finish approx 5.30pm SUN- 9.30/10 start Finish approx 3.00pm Cost: 45 GBP per team (incl. BUF tax). Cheques payable to Sue Underwood. If you haven't got a team, or only have a part-team, Sue will help to put you in touch with other team/part-team. Please contact Sue if you have any questions. Si From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Jan 12 21:49:47 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id VAA22142 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 21:29:00 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA22134 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 21:28:58 GMT Received: from phidelta.demon.co.uk ([158.152.248.177]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa2003412; 12 Jan 98 19:15 GMT Message-ID: <09P0jFAZqmu0Ew9v@phidelta.demon.co.uk> Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 19:10:17 +0000 To: BritDisc From: Wayne Retter Subject: Dive Hard 2 - Sweden - May MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Trial Version 3.04 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk All, here's the text from a flyer that was handed out at the WinterTrophy this weekend: ---------- "DIVE HARD II" During the last weekend in May, Carnegie will be hosting a three day tournament in Gothenburg. Our goal is to make this an international event and therby give you a chance to participate in an outdoor tournament of a larger scale. Since it is always difficult to establish a new event we will like to inform you well in advance about the possibility to join us in Gothenburg in May. If you would like further information, please contact Alison or Anders via e-mail. We will be sending out a more detailed invitation later on this spring. This invitation will be sent out to all the National federations so if you want an invitation sent to your club, just send us an e-mail with your address. Looking forward to seeing you in Gothenburg! Date: 30/5 - 1/6 Divisions: Open and women e-mail: anders_jerhame@vd.volvo.se or: alison@shout.se -------------- for those of you who want to know how this all fits in... this is the weekend (Sat - Mon, Mon is a holiday in Sweden) after the planned 4 day (Thurs - Sun) Rotterdam "Harbour" tournament, so is also the weekend of the WIZ Open in Geneva AND the BDGA event on Hayling Island (TBC) Regards Wayne -------------------------- Wayne Retter Wayne@phidelta.demon.co.uk http://www.phidelta.demon.co.uk/ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Jan 13 10:22:39 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id JAA01696 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 09:58:48 GMT Received: from mail.rmplc.net (koala.rmplc.co.uk [194.238.48.13]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA01683 for ; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 09:58:46 GMT Received: from acotgreave.rmplc.net ([172.16.27.34]) by mail.rmplc.net (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA08547 for ; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 09:58:31 GMT Received: by acotgreave.rmplc.net with Microsoft Mail id <01BD2009.AA855060@acotgreave.rmplc.net>; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 09:57:32 -0000 Message-ID: <01BD2009.AA855060@acotgreave.rmplc.net> From: Andy Cotgreave To: "'britdisc'" Subject: Looking for Guy Bowles Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 09:55:51 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi, Has anyone got Guy's e-mail address or telephone number? Thank you Andy C From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Jan 13 12:43:13 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id MAA26239 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 12:08:25 GMT Received: from dirc.bris.ac.uk (dirc.bris.ac.uk [137.222.10.51]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA26181 for ; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 12:08:01 GMT Received: from harrier.fen.bris.ac.uk (actually host harrier1.fen.bris.ac.uk) by dirc.bris.ac.uk with SMTP-PRIV (PP) with ESMTP; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 12:07:54 +0000 Received: from N51.fen.bris.ac.uk (n51.fen.bris.ac.uk [137.222.182.151]) by harrier.fen.bris.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.4) with SMTP id MAA11302 for ; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 12:06:34 GMT From: Chris Hebert To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Message-ID: Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 12:06:33 +0000 (GMT) X-Mailer: Simeon for Windows Version 4.0.9 X-Authentication: none MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hello everyone, The Bristol Indoor tourny is fast approaching and it would be nice to get all the cheques in as soon as poss. So far Rob and I have received money from Sharks(OW!), Ex Uriel, Night Fever, Mr Men, Angels, Whiplash, Watershed, UTI, Mad Kows and Mud Culture. A few of you have contacted me saying the cheque is in the post so would the remaining teams wing some money in my direction. (Cheques payable to Chris Hebert for 75 quid per team). Secondly we need snail mail addresses so we can send out the relevant information. If you have not yet got an info pack, which is in fact most teams, then e-mail me your contact address. From now on I shall be in Bristol so any future correspondence can be sent to 6 Clifton Park Road Clifton Bristol BS8 3HL Finally I think the schedule will get re-jigged slightly by moving the plate quarter finals onto the Saturday giving us an extra hour on the Sunday in case of game over-runs etc. If there are any further questions, or you feel you need more info on what is going on then drop me an e-mail or phone on 0117-9730385. Otherwise see you on the 24th Chris ---------------------- Chris Hebert ch5400@bristol.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Jan 13 15:44:16 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id PAA03254 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 15:05:46 GMT Received: from brookes.ac.uk (csmail.brookes.ac.uk [161.73.1.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA25295 for ; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:27:56 GMT Received: from 97315250 by brookes.ac.uk (8.8.7/) id OAA25979; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:27:55 GMT Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:27:55 GMT From: jewell tara s <97315250@brookes.ac.uk> Message-Id: <199801131427.OAA25979@brookes.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Brookes Windows Client ver. 4.2b To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Phat'Eds only Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi, Can somebody from Phat'Eds please contact me asap by phone or email re: Women's Indoor Nationals. Thanks, Tara From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Jan 13 23:53:36 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id XAA21090 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 23:29:31 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.154]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA21055 for ; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 23:29:13 GMT Received: from ultimatum.demon.co.uk ([158.152.203.174]) by post.mail.demon.net id ac1021865; 13 Jan 98 23:20 GMT Subject: Ultimatum - help wanted Date: Tue, 13 Jan 98 23:25:36 +0000 x-sender: ultimatum@pop3.demon.co.uk x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: Paul Hurt To: BritDisc Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Message-ID: <884733655.1021865.2@ultimatum.demon.co.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hello all Hoping you got my brief message a couple of days ago about what's happening with Ultimatum. Thought this would be a good moment to put out another appeal for help. H E L P !!!! Would you like to assist in producing the re-thought Ultimatum? We're looking for people to help with: Writing articles, reviewing tournaments, compiling news and results Design/Layout (for print) Design and upkeep of the web site Print production Distribution If any of this is you, please e-mail me back as soon as possible. Many hands make light(er) work :-) Thanks Paul --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Hurt Editor, Ultimatum Magazine, London, England editor@ultimatum.demon.co.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Jan 14 13:09:07 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id LAA02788 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 11:28:40 GMT Received: from dryctnath.mmu.ac.uk (dryctnath.mmu.ac.uk [149.170.190.134]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA02699 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 11:28:15 GMT Received: from yorktown.mmu.ac.uk [149.170.132.252] by dryctnath.mmu.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #1) id 0xsQzs-0002kR-00; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 11:28:36 +0000 Received: from MMU-HOL-YORKTOWN/SpoolDir by yorktown.mmu.ac.uk (Mercury 1.31); 14 Jan 98 11:28:09 GMT Received: from SpoolDir by MMU-HOL-YORKTOWN (Mercury 1.31); 14 Jan 98 11:27:55 GMT From: "Lawrence PAULSON" Organization: Manchester Metropolitan University To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 11:27:54 +GMT Subject: Student Indoor Finals X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <2BB5DE56156@yorktown.mmu.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk This is just an advance warning to show that I haven't forgotten about them.... For the 20 teams who qualified (see list at bottom), may I take this opportunity to invite you to the Student National Indoor Finals. The tournament will be on the 21st/22nd February 1998, at the Sugden Sports Hall, All Saints, Manchester (a brand new venue, only built summer '97, two good size pitches, in the heart of student Manchester). The cost of the tournament should be stlg60 per team (this will be confirmed in the official invites). Invites with more details will be posted as soon as I get an up to date contact list from Si Weeks (so if your contact has changed and you haven't told Simon, then please let both he and I know ASAP). Any queries regarding qualification, scheduling or eligibility (which I understand will be exactly the same rules as per the qualifying rounds) should be also be directed towards Si. In the meantime, for any general enquiries, then feel free to e-mail me or phone 0161 226 0929 (evenings). Look forward to seeing you all, Love & Luck, Lawrence (Fingers 6 & Tournament Director) Qualfied Teams: THE NORTH 1. Far Flung (Glasgow University) 2. Disciples (Bradford University) 3. Sorcerers (St Andrews University) 4. Jedi Children (Leeds University) 5. Sneeekys (Edinburgh University) THE MIDLANDS 1. Bears (Warwick University) 2. Mwnci See (University of Wales, Aberystywyth) 3. Purple Haze (Loughborough University) 4. Jesters (Leicester University) 5. Phat 'eds (Sheffield University) SOUTH WEST 1.Ow (Oxford University) 2. Mythago (Bristol University) 3. Picnic (Plymouth University) 4. Uriel (Exeter University) 5. Ow II (Oxford University) SOUTH EAST 1. Mohawks (University of Sussex) 2. Skunks (Southampton University) 3. Toxic (University of Kent, Canterbury) 4. Alien Nation (Cranfield) 5. Skunks II (Southampton University) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Jan 14 14:43:30 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id NAA27408 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 13:35:33 GMT Received: from mercury.king.ac.uk (mercury.king.ac.uk [141.241.4.24]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA27337 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 13:35:11 GMT Received: from gnasher.king.ac.uk by mercury.king.ac.uk with SMTP (MMTA 2) with ESMTP; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 13:33:01 +0000 Received: from FAD.king.ac.uk (fad.king.ac.uk [141.241.126.2]) by gnasher.king.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id NAA29267 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 13:29:58 GMT Received: from TE0/SpoolDir by FAD.king.ac.uk (Mercury 1.32); 14 Jan 98 13:31:16 GMT Received: from SpoolDir by TE0 (Mercury 1.32); 14 Jan 98 13:31:10 GMT From: Tim Surry Organization: Kingston University To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 13:31:09 GMT0BST Subject: Chaos practice X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.40) Message-ID: <49378CD010C@FAD.king.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Does Chaos practice at the weekends? If anyone knows can you tell me where and when so I can go and inflict some Snatch on them!!!!!!! Love Spud K972261@kingston.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Jan 14 16:41:33 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id PAA19275 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 15:15:58 GMT Received: from sunserv5.leeds.ac.uk (sunserv5.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.16.35]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA19223 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 15:15:44 GMT Received: from south-02.novell.leeds.ac.uk (south-02.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.76.2]) by sunserv5.leeds.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA06339 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 15:15:43 GMT Received: from LUCS-H12/SpoolDir by south-02.novell.leeds.ac.uk (Mercury 1.31); 14 Jan 98 15:16:13 GMT0BST Received: from SpoolDir by LUCS-H12 (Mercury 1.31); 14 Jan 98 15:15:53 GMT0BST From: "Chewy" Organization: University of Leeds To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 15:15:44 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Northern Indoor Qualifiers X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.54) Message-ID: <11B4EB1218A7@south-02.novell.leeds.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk This message is intended for any of the northern teams who have received invites to the northern indoor qualifiers but have yet to do anything with them. The deadline for entry is TODAY!! Although i'm aware that due to Christmas festivities and the pressure of exams many invites were not received untill recently or team members have been out of contact. If you do want to enter please get in touch NOW, i have had replies from most teams but as yet have not heard from : Hull Phat'eds Fingers 6 Superfly Nads To the teams who have replied info on the tourney went in the post this morning ( Chevy, Si Hill has said to me that you want to enter a team or two? Please contact me ASAP, so that i can details to you.) Any problems get in touch John Chewins 100 Woodsley Road Leeds LS3 1DU 0113 2349416 From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Jan 14 18:24:37 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id RAA13188 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 17:23:38 GMT Received: from oxmail3.ox.ac.uk (oxmail3.ox.ac.uk [163.1.2.9]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA13120 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 17:23:16 GMT Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk by oxmail3 with SMTP (PP) with ESMTP; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 17:23:09 +0000 Received: from localhost (immd0001@localhost) by ermine.ox.ac.uk (1.1/8.8.3) with SMTP id RAA08498 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 17:21:14 GMT Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 17:21:14 +0000 (GMT) From: paul meaney To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: midlands/ southern indoor qualifiers Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk all, what is going on wrt these events? are they on? if so, where. Paul //////////////////////////////////\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ ****************************************************************************** Kryten: sir, you must forgive Mr Rimmer, he's suffering from a stress- related nervous disorder Lister: Next time I see him he'll be suffering from a fist- related teeth disorder ****************************************************************************** \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\//////////////////////////////////////////// From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Jan 14 22:10:30 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id VAA19409 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 21:42:35 GMT Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com (imo15.mx.aol.com [198.81.19.170]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA19373 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 21:42:22 GMT From: JimboMcD Message-ID: <55ef3454.34bd2f88@aol.com> Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 16:35:02 EST To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: For Village People only! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Calling all Villagers - having finally amassed sufficient hardware to make this a possibility, I'm ready to start thinking about producing the Official Village Website. Expect it to be disorganised, untidy, ragged and ill thought out, but with a sense of humour (I like to think), and a certain naive charm - in short, everything you've come to expect from the team over the years. What I need from you are photos - I only have one or two and they're not very representative or even very good. So raid those shoeboxes, delve deep into the back of your wardrobes - even empty the cat litter tray for the ones you use to soak up Tiddles' wee, pop them in an envelope and sent them to me at 15 Manor Park Road Finchley London N2 0SN. Or pass them on to me (or Charlie) at Bristol, Newport, etc. etc. Village Online - it's what the Information Superhighway has been waiting for! Cheers - Jim (Slim/Just Call Me Jim) McDonnell From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Jan 14 22:11:27 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id VAA18787 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 21:37:32 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA18764 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 21:37:23 GMT Received: from phidelta.demon.co.uk ([158.152.248.177]) by post.mail.demon.net id ab2019413; 14 Jan 98 21:36 GMT Message-ID: Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 21:35:52 +0000 To: BritDisc From: Wayne Retter Subject: Ultimate abroad MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Trial Version 3.04 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk For those of you who are thinking about maybe playing some Ultimate outside of the UK at some point, try the following: Disc Sports Calendar - maintained by Thomas Griesbaum http://www.ira.uka.de/~thgries/disc/termine.html Upcoming Ultimate Tournaments - in the US, maintained by the UPA http://www.wafc.org/upa/tourneys.html and for those of you who're missing Ultimatum enough to learn a foreign language: UP!online ___ Das Frisbee Sport Magazin im Netz (German!) http://www.rhein-ruhr.de/~cygnus/up/ frisbari (Finnish!) http://sci.fi/~slkl.htm (apologies to all if BritDisc appears to be WayneDisc at the moment !) Cheers Wayne -------------------------- Wayne Retter Wayne@phidelta.demon.co.uk http://www.phidelta.demon.co.uk/ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Jan 14 22:13:03 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id VAA19293 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 21:41:50 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.154]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA19272 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 21:41:43 GMT Received: from phidelta.demon.co.uk ([158.152.248.177]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa1008857; 14 Jan 98 21:36 GMT Message-ID: Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 21:07:41 +0000 To: BritDisc From: National Indoors TD Subject: Regional (Midlands-ish) Indoor Championships MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Trial Version 3.04 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk To all concerned Midlands Regional Indoor Championships Cheltenham Spa 14 & 15 February 1998 Chris has telephoned me to say that the invitations went into the post today (Wed) so you should all get them by the end of the week. Follow the enclosed instructions if you wish to enter the tournament. Further information will be issued to the teams that enter upon receipt of their cheque. An up to date list of entrants, and assorted links to useful information, will be at the following website: http://www.phidelta.demon.co.uk/nati98/ Regards Wayne -- Layout Dreams Midlands Regional Indoor Championships TD From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Jan 14 22:13:09 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id VAA20459 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 21:52:41 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA20438 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 21:52:34 GMT Received: from phidelta.demon.co.uk ([158.152.248.177]) by post.mail.demon.net id ab2019412; 14 Jan 98 21:36 GMT Message-ID: Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 21:09:44 +0000 To: BritDisc From: National Indoors TD Subject: FAO: Indoor Regional TD's MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Trial Version 3.04 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Dear TD Have you got a website for your tournament? If so, what's the URL? I can then add a link to my website... Cheers Wayne Retter -- Layout Dreams Midland Indoor Regional Championships TD http://www.phidelta.demon.co.uk/nati98/ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Jan 15 15:42:33 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id OAA06527 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 14:37:23 GMT Received: from clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@clover-fddi [137.205.4.2]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA06469 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 14:37:08 GMT Received: from mail.rmplc.net (koala.rmplc.co.uk [194.238.48.13]) by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA18167 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 12:23:36 GMT Received: from acotgreave.rmplc.net ([172.16.27.34]) by mail.rmplc.net (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA05323 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 12:22:11 GMT Received: by acotgreave.rmplc.net with Microsoft Mail id <01BD21B0.10BFAE00@acotgreave.rmplc.net>; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 12:21:11 -0000 Message-ID: <01BD21B0.10BFAE00@acotgreave.rmplc.net> From: Andy Cotgreave To: "'britdisc'" Subject: More telephone number requests Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 12:19:34 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi all, does anyone have Rama (don't know if that is spelt correctly) from Headrush's telephone number? Cheers Andy acotgreave@rmplc.net From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Jan 15 15:43:30 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id OAA11371 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 14:54:24 GMT Received: from hotmail.com (F32.hotmail.com [207.82.250.43]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA09352 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 14:47:57 GMT Received: (qmail 27703 invoked by uid 0); 15 Jan 1998 14:47:05 -0000 Message-ID: <19980115144705.27702.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 144.124.34.54 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 06:47:05 PST X-Originating-IP: [144.124.34.54] From: "Mwnci See" To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: New contact details Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 06:47:05 PST Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Clwb Ultimate Mwnci See Email: mwnci@hotmail.com Phone: Bisto 01970 615253 Mail: Ultimate Club, Athletic Union, University of Wales, Aberystwyth, Ceredigion SY23 3BY ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Jan 15 19:58:16 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id TAA08561 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 19:30:21 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA08521 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 19:30:09 GMT Received: from phidelta.demon.co.uk ([158.152.248.177]) by post.mail.demon.net id ab2010940; 15 Jan 98 18:59 GMT Message-ID: <1+bEjUANvlv0Ewl9@phidelta.demon.co.uk> Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 18:56:13 +0000 To: AILES G M , BritDisc From: National Indoors TD Subject: Re: Regional Indoors In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Trial Version 3.04 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk As I understand the situation: there is no SE Regional Indoor Championships (no TD with venue!) The following events WILL be happening, though (dates from BFDF Events Reminder): Scottish 28+29 Feb Northern 31 Jan + 1 Feb (though I'm not sure if this is a Regional Championships?) Midlands 14+15 Feb South West 14+15 Feb SE teams that want to play are therefore encouraged to sort their lives out and enter one of the other events! Some of these other events may, however, give priority to teams who are officially within the 'proper' region (the official line is a bit vague on this!) If you haven't received an invite or don't know what's going on - FIND SOMEBODY TO ASK Regards Wayne Retter AILES G M writes >Hi Wayne, > >This may have been sorted already and I probably missed it but if >there's not going to be a South Regional Qualifier are those teams >going to be disqaulified from getting through to the finals or do we >have to hitch up with another one? What's the story? > >Gav(Angels) -- indoors98@phidelta.demon.co.uk Layout Dreams Midlands Regional Indoors TD From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Jan 15 22:18:30 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id KAA03800 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 10:48:05 GMT Received: from shrimp.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (ralf@shrimp [137.205.227.130]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA03752 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 10:47:51 GMT Received: (from ralf@localhost) by shrimp.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA16089 for britdisc@csv; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 10:47:50 GMT From: Ralf Message-Id: <199801151047.KAA16089@shrimp.dcs.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Re: FAO: Indoor Regional TD's In-Reply-To: from National Indoors TD at "Jan 14, 98 09:09:44 pm" To: indoor98@phidelta.demon.co.uk (National Indoors TD) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 10:47:21 +0000 (GMT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL35 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk > Dear TD > Have you got a website for your tournament? > If so, what's the URL? I can then add a link to my website... Good point, I'll echo it. The BFDF diary is capable of having all sorts of extra information added to it. So, if you've got a website for the tournament, or even just a site for your team, tell me about it when you give me the information for the diary. I can also do links for results, so if anyone fancies doing this, then it's easy to add it to the previous events page. Also, please try and make sure you give me up to date contact information (including e-mail address). Perhaps more importantly, several places haven't got a location yet. Can you let me know this sort of information as soon as you know it, ideally including sports centre if appropriate. There are also fields for cost and other comments, such as times on single day events, etc... Cheers, Ralf. ____ ____ _ _ ____ .----------------------------------------. _\__ \ _\__ \ / \ / \\__/ | Ranulf Doswell | / \_/ /_ / \_/ \ / / / /___ | Department of Computer Science | \ __ \\ __ \\ \ _\ \\_/ |University of Warwick, COVENTRY, CV4 7AL| \ \ \ \\ \ \ \\ \__/ \\ \ | Phone: 01203 523 296 | \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \______/ \_/ `----------------------------------------' From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Jan 16 10:02:08 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id JAA05090 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 09:39:28 GMT Received: from shrimp.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (ralf@shrimp [137.205.227.130]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA05071 for ; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 09:39:25 GMT Received: (from ralf@localhost) by shrimp.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id JAA17819 for britdisc@csv; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 09:39:24 GMT From: Ralf Message-Id: <199801160939.JAA17819@shrimp.dcs.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: forward To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 09:39:23 +0000 (GMT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL35 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk ----- Forwarded message from owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk ----- Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 20:40:01 +0000 To: BritDisc From: National Indoors TD Subject: IMPORTANT: Regional (Midlands-ish) Indoor Championships Chris has rung me to say that he hasn't put the invites in the post yet, after all (he doesn't have an up to date address list, or web access to get one!)! If you're interested in coming, you need to do the following: SEND: 1)Cheque for 70.00 (per team) payable to LAYOUT DREAMS 2)Team Info, ie: Team Name(s); Team Contact; Address; Telephone nos (Day and Eve); Email addresses TO: Chris Hughes 23 Vervain Close Churchdown Gloucetershire GL3 1LT +44/0-1452-859210 NOTES: Midlands teams get the following, very slight, priority ONLY: SE Region teams entries will be held until Sat 24 Jan before being added to the accepted list. After 24/01/98 teams will be accepted in the order received. Second (and Third?) teams will not be held back in any way. Sorry about the f**k-up I hope it doesn't happen again! Wayne Retter --------Forwarded Message-------- To all concerned Midlands Regional Indoor Championships Cheltenham Spa 14 & 15 February 1998 Chris has telephoned me to say that the invitations went into the post today (Wed) so you should all get them by the end of the week. Follow the enclosed instructions if you wish to enter the tournament. Further information will be issued to the teams that enter upon receipt of their cheque. An up to date list of entrants, and assorted links to useful information, will be at the following website: http://www.phidelta.demon.co.uk/nati98/ Regards Wayne -- indoors98@phidelta.demon.co.uk Layout Dreams Midlands Regional Indoor Championships TD ----- End of forwarded message from owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk ----- ____ ____ _ _ ____ .----------------------------------------. _\__ \ _\__ \ / \ / \\__/ | Ranulf Doswell | / \_/ /_ / \_/ \ / / / /___ | Department of Computer Science | \ __ \\ __ \\ \ _\ \\_/ |University of Warwick, COVENTRY, CV4 7AL| \ \ \ \\ \ \ \\ \__/ \\ \ | Phone: 01203 523 296 | \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \______/ \_/ `----------------------------------------' From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Jan 16 11:17:45 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id KAA17265 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 10:43:16 GMT Received: from spock.tinet.ie (spock.tinet.ie [159.134.237.8]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA17158 for ; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 10:42:51 GMT Received: from sepro.ie (p93-as2.dubexs.tinet.ie [159.134.224.93]) by spock.tinet.ie (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA20100 for ; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 10:42:47 GMT Received: by SEPRO_PETERB with Microsoft Mail id <01BD2260.8F8FC250@SEPRO_PETERB>; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 09:24:35 -0000 Message-ID: <01BD2260.8F8FC250@SEPRO_PETERB> From: Peter Bennison To: "Britdisc Britdisc (E-mail)" Subject: New Irish Ultimate e-mail address ... Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 09:24:34 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk For information on Ultimate in and around Dublin, including our third annual tournament this April 4th - 5th please send an e-mail to: pbennison@sepro.ie Thanks, Peter Bennison Work Phone 296 4428 Ext 106 From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Jan 16 15:54:06 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id OAA04731 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 14:50:31 GMT Received: from amsta.leeds.ac.uk (amsta.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA04686 for ; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 14:50:18 GMT Received: from newton.leeds.amsta (newton.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.64]) by amsta.leeds.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA08655 for ; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 14:50:53 GMT Received: by newton.leeds.amsta (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id OAA15902; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 14:53:10 GMT Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 14:53:10 GMT From: amtsjh@amsta.leeds.ac.uk (S J Hill) Message-Id: <199801161453.OAA15902@newton.leeds.amsta> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: BUF Ultim-8 Tour News - IMPORTANT X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi 1. Still waiting for final confirmation on Tour V - but EXPECT it to be Exeter on July 11/12. GB training sessions are fitted in around it, I will get the dates out when we know for sure about Exeter. 2. It seems that this year we have: Tour I : Leicester March 28/29 Tour II : Swindon April 18/19 Tour III : Birmingham May 9/10 Tour IV : Soton June 20/21 Tour V : Exeter July 11/12 - probably. Apologies to Northern (esp. Scottish) folk for lack of Northern venue - altho' I think inclusion of Brum is an improvement. ********************** 3. Draft of Tour Rules ********************** I've finally done the work I've been promising to do on the tour. I now have an improved (I hope) set of rules. (Hopefully better rules, and also presented in clearer way.) Changes are based on what we learnt last year + comments from lots of people and of course the questionnaires. This version is supposed to be a draft. We'd like as many people as poss to read it and perhaps make suggestions; register complaints, etc. So if you are not worried about details/(or if you trust me!) you can just ignore it all for the moment. But there isn't much time. I need to hear from you by 18th Feb at the latest - to give me time to make any changes that may be necessary and get the whole thing back out to everyone in time for entries to the first tournament. I have two e-versions. One is Word97 document, and the other just plain text, (not so easy to read). I will send the .txt version to BD after this message. If you want the Word 97 version, then email me, and I'll send it back to you. If you want an alternative Word version (eg 6.0) then I guess I could sort that out over the w/e - make sure you give me details. Also Andy Cotgreave will have hard copies at the Women's Tourney this w/e in Oxford; and also at Bristol Indoors next week. I will try to get hard copies to the Regional Tourneys over the next couple of weeks. Thats it. The final version will be given to all teams by beginning of March. Si ps - please print out the new version and show it other players (ie those without email). amtsjh@amsta.leeds.ac.uk Tel: 0113 289 0971 532D Whitehall Rd New Farnley LEEDS LS12 5HZ Sorry - I can't fax copies to anyone. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Jan 16 15:54:24 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id OAA04955 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 14:51:29 GMT Received: from amsta.leeds.ac.uk (amsta.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA04917 for ; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 14:51:22 GMT Received: from newton.leeds.amsta (newton.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.64]) by amsta.leeds.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA08700 for ; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 14:52:03 GMT Received: by newton.leeds.amsta (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id OAA15913; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 14:54:20 GMT Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 14:54:20 GMT From: amtsjh@amsta.leeds.ac.uk (S J Hill) Message-Id: <199801161454.OAA15913@newton.leeds.amsta> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: ULTIM-8 DRAFT RULES - TEXT VERSION Content-Type: X-sun-attachment Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk ---------- X-Sun-Data-Type: text X-Sun-Data-Description: text X-Sun-Data-Name: text X-Sun-Charset: us-ascii X-Sun-Content-Lines: 2 Ultim-8 Draft Rules - TEXT version ---------------------------------- ---------- X-Sun-Data-Type: default X-Sun-Data-Description: default X-Sun-Data-Name: u898info.txt X-Sun-Charset: us-ascii X-Sun-Content-Lines: 229 The BUF Ultim-8 Tour 1998 In 1997 the U8 Tour ran for the first time. In general most players seemed to feel it was a good thing, and this was borne out by the questionnaire responses. There were some reservations, and we ran into some difficulties along the way! Hopefully many (all?) of these will be ironed out this time. This is a draft of the rules for 1998. The vital sections are ROSTERS and ENTERING TOUR TOURNAMENTS. It will be helpful if you read the short sections referring to Nationals, World Clubs, and "Geo-Clubs". There is also information about the points system, tour tournament formats, and seedings. I'd like to draw attention to following. 1. UNROSTERED TEAMS. If you are unlikely to enter more than two tournaments it probably isn't worth having a club roster. It's just more work for you. (But please check the details.) 2. Certain elements of the roster rules have been relaxed. But crucially it will be harder to change teams, (and even harder to do so between the Tour V and Nationals). 3. The tournaments have closing dates that will apply to all teams. 4. This is a draft to give you a chance to comment/complain/get things changed. Write, ring or email by Feb 18th. (532D Whitehall Rd, New Farnley, LEEDS LS12 5HZ; 0113 289 0971; amtsjh@amsta.leeds.ac.uk) 5. We still need more non-tour events, especially during August. 6. Much of the detail is just a matter of allowing for all possible situations and avoiding ambiguity, (I hope). The final version of the rules will include a summary of the absolutely crucial points. 7. It is intended that there will be a Report/News/Ranking list update produced very quickly after each tournament. This will be available on paper! I'm not sure if everyone is clear on why the tour exists in this format; or if the thinking behind some of the rules is obvious. The Rules do not include any discussion of these questions, with the exception of the section on "geo-clubs". Thanks to anyone who has helped out with the tour over the last year or so. I look forward to hearing/reading comments on U8-98 soon! Si Hill The BUF Ultim-8 Tour 1998 - Provisional Rules Contents 1. The BUF Tour, Nationals and WUCC 1999. 2. Rosters 3. Entering Tour Tournaments 4. Ranking Points 5. Tournament Formats 6. Seedings 7. Reasons for being a "Geo-Club" 1. The BUF Tour, Nationals and WUCC 1999. A. The BUF Tour 1. The BUF Tour consists of five tournaments between March and July. Teams score ranking points according to their final position at a given tournament. The BUF Ranking is calculated from each team's total number of Ranking Points. The scores are also used to determine who qualifies for the BUF National Finals. 2. The Ultim-8 Committee (U8C) has five members including the Director of Competitions (DoC) who appoints the other four. i) U8C rules, by voting if necessary, on any problems that occur during the tour. ii) There must be no club represented twice on U8C. iii) Problems at a particular tournament requiring a prompt decision will be settled by a group of three taken from the TD and U8C. (Ideally the TD and DoC will be involved.) iv) Members of U8C also share certain specific tasks, namely: administering the tournament entries; looking after the BUF equipment used at tour events; collecting results and producing the updated Ranking List; and helping TDs with publicity. B. BUF National Finals 1. In order to calculate which teams qualify for National Finals every team discards its worst result from the tour (including 0 for an event not attended), and a new ranking list made on the basis of the resulting scores. 2. The top 16 teams from this new ranking list qualify for National Finals, but see also [1.B.4]. 3. Nationals has two separate divisions of eight teams, plus an extra event for teams that do not qualify, as in 1997. 4. Up to two unrostered teams (see also [2.C.1] will be allowed entry to Div. 2. i) If more than two unrostered teams qualify, then the two highest ranking amongst them will qualify, with the other places going to the next best rostered teams, (until there are no more rostered teams). ii) An unrostered team with enough points to play in Div. 1 will have to play in Div. 2. C. The World Ultimate Club Championships 1999 It seems that the next World Clubs will be held in St. Andrews. It is possible that as many as eight teams will qualify. This means that teams may qualify via the tour, rather than Nationals. That said, it is unlikely that we will know the exact numbers for a while, so Nationals will remain very important for teams that want to be certain of qualification. 2. Rosters. A. General 1. Club rosters must be given to the DoC in writing before the first tour event (by post or email). The DoC must receive subsequent changes before any new player plays. 2. Club rosters are fixed for all five of the tour events and National Finals. Changes may be allowed under exceptional circumstances. 3. A slight distinction is drawn between "club" and "team" because some clubs may be able to field more than one team. B. Eligibility All UK-resident players are eligible to register on a club roster. The definition of UK-resident is as follows: 1. a player normally living in the UK, (including somebody who has been travelling for up to 12 months); 2. a player moving to the UK (to live) before the 1st April, who may then register on a club roster for the whole tour; 3. a player moving to the UK (to live) between 1st April and 1st July, who may then register on a club roster for Nationals only. (Note that this does not prohibit that player from playing in the tour, see [2.C.2]). C. Exceptions 1. Unrostered teams. Note that an unrostered team may not qualify for National Finals (nor WUCC) but is otherwise equal in status to a rostered team. i) An open team may choose to be unrostered. In which case the only restriction on who can play for them is given in [2.C.1.iv]. ii) GB Women and GB Juniors are automatically unrostered, but are exempt from [2.C.1.iv]. iii) A student team may choose to be unrostered, in which case any of their players normally rostered for an open team is exempt from [2.C.1.iv]. iv) A rostered player may only play for the club with which they are rostered at a given tournament unless that club has no team playing at that tournament. 2. Unrostered guest player. Any (and every) team (including those mentioned in [2.C.1.ii] and [2.C.1.iii] above) is allowed to pickup one and only one guest at each tournament, including National Finals. i) The guest player would normally be a visiting/travelling foreign player and it is for these players that the rule is introduced. ii) UK-resident players that are otherwise not restricted to play for a particular team may also play for anyone under this rule. iii) A team may have up to six different guests over the whole season. iv) A team may repeatedly (and indefinitely) have the same guest. v) NO EXCEPTIONS will be made to this rule. Do not ask for a second guest. D. Geo-Clubs Reasons for becoming a geo-club are given in Section [7]. To qualify as a geo-club a club must: 1. hold weekly outdoor practices (during most of the year); 2. include all players' home addresses with the club roster; 3. have a maximum of 5 rostered players who live further than about 75 miles from the practice venue. E. Students 1. Student players may register under either their home or term-time address. 2. Rostered student clubs are automatically deemed to be Geo-Clubs. 3. To qualify for the exceptions afforded to student clubs, a club must field a team that would be eligible under current BUF Student Eligibility Rules. (Note that according to [2.C.2] a guest player is still permitted.) 3. Entering Tour Tournaments. Every U8 tournament has a closing date set 3 weeks before the event. This applies both to payment of the deposit to U8C and payment of the entry fee to the TD. If a tournament is over-subscribed at the closing date there is a system for distributing places, [3.B]. If a tournament is under-subscribed it may remain possible for teams to enter (strictly on a first-pay, first-in basis). A. Entry Procedure 1. A team must pay the deposit to U8C, and the tournament entry fee in full to the TD, by the closing date. 2. The closing date for each event is 3 weeks before the tournament itself. 3. Full payment to the TD may not be required, by arrangement with the TD. 4. A team may withdraw from a tournament up to the closing date and then receive a full refund of any payments that have been made. A representative from the team must tell both the TD and a member of U8C. B. Distribution of places 1. When a club is hosting an event they are given two automatic places (but must still meet the entry deadlines). 2. Teams ranked 1-16 are guaranteed a place (provided that they meet the entry deadlines). 3. Remaining places are allocated to teams according to their position on the Tour Waiting List (TWL), see [3.B.4] below. 4. Teams are placed on the TWL as they pay their deposit. (Each tour event has its own list.) If two consecutive events are full or over-subscribed, the bottom 4 teams of the first of these are relegated to the bottom of the TWL for the second, (in original TWL order relative to each other). i) Some of these teams may still get into the tournament. ii) Relegation down the TWL occurs only for the subsequent event, after which a team returns to its original position. iii) There is no question of teams being relegated in this way after a tournament that is not full. C. Blacklist 1. Teams that default on the entry procedures (which are there to help TDs) may be moved to the Blacklist. Teams on the Blacklist will only be considered for tour tournaments that are under-subscribed. 2. Sometimes there may be a genuine reason for defaulting, and penalties will not necessarily be incurred in these circumstances. 3. The Blacklist will be made public so that TDs of non-tour events can use it to assess which teams are unreliable. 4. The Blacklist will not apply to National Finals. D. Default Penalties Sometimes things will go wrong. Hopefully the following will cover most situations. Penalties are in italics. 1. Pay deposit (and possibly entry fee), but withdraw before the closing date. i) All payments refunded. ii) No penalty. 2. Pay deposit, fail to pay entry fee, fail to withdraw correctly. i) Lose automatic qualification and/or place on TWL. ii) Lose deposit. 3. Pay deposit and entry fee, but then withdraw by midday of the Monday before the tournament. i) Lose all payments. ii) Drop to Blacklist. 4. Pay deposit and entry fee, but then withdraw after midday Monday before the tournament. (This includes a complete no-show). i) Lose all payments. ii) Drop to Blacklist. iii) Lose 5% of final ranking score PER DAY (including the Monday) to be deducted at the end of the tour. 4. Ranking Points. A. The Scoring System Scoring system is still to be finalised, although it will be different to that used in 1997. 1. Points scored by teams finishing 1st - 16th will be fixed, close to linear scale. 2. Points from 17th to last will be calculated by linear interpolation between score given to 16th and 0. 3. Likely to have bonus points for key positions 1st, 5th, 13th as main deviation from linear scale. B. Equal Teams When teams have an equal number of points they are separated according to the following procedure. 1. Geo-teams are placed above other teams. 2. Using earlier tour results (current season) teams are separated on head-to-head tournament finishing positions. 3. If still equal, separate teams on the most recent head-to-head tournament finishing position that provides a result. 4. Note that head-to-head match results are not used. 5. Tournament Formats. A. Comments 1. For each event, teams are seeded according to the system described in Section [6]. 2. It is expected that 24 teams enter each event, although the systems are readily altered to 20, 28, or 32 teams. Every effort will be made to avoid other (more difficult) numbers of teams. 3. The descriptions below are necessarily brief, and assume a reasonable understanding of tournament formats. The details cannot be absolutely fixed as they always depend on final numbers. Often the description of what happens to teams seeded beyond 12th or 16th is deliberately vague so as to allow us to use the most appropriate system depending on the situation. 4. The formats described below for Tour III and Tour IV may be swapped over. B. Details Tour I. An open format that (in theory) allows any team to finish in any position. (Note that this is different from 1997, and is based on questionnaire replies.) Tour II. The top 8 are in 2 pools of 4 with the top 2 in each progressing to semi-finals on Sunday; and the bottom 2 in each pool dropping to the "middle knockout 8" (5th-12th positions). Teams from 9th down are ideally in 4 pools with the winner of each moving up into the "middle knockout 8", and the other teams all playing off for 13th downwards. Tour III. All teams are initially in groups of 8 that are further divided into 2 pools of 4. The top 4 carry on as normal; but the 5-12 group are in 2 pools of 4 with a single playoff game to finish. This requires some Saturday results to be carried forward to Sunday. Teams below 12th on Sunday playoff for positions using a more straightforward (probably knockout) format. Tour IV. The top 16 start in 4 pools of 4 [A-D]. The winner of each [A1-D1] progress to semis. Teams in 2nd and 3rd, [A2, B2, ..., D3] go into a middle 8 comprising 2 pools of 4 for 5th-12th positions. As usual this also means carrying a result from Saturday. The bottom teams [A4-D4] join those teams starting below 16th to playoff for positions 13th downwards. Tour V. The same format as that described for Tour III. 6. Seedings. 1. To obtain the seedings for a given tour event the ranking points are used in conjunction with an extra calculation which takes into account the fact that teams may miss some events. Under exceptional circumstances the Ultim-8 Committee may alter the computed seedings to sensibly accommodate a team with no ranking points. 2. Let s be a team's current number of U8 Ranking Points; let m be the number of tour events missed by that team, and let ( be the mean number of Ranking Points scored at the tournaments attended. Then the adjusted score, S, is given by S = s, m = 0. S = s + (, m = 1. S = s + ((1 + 2/3), m = 2. S = s + ((1 + 2/3 + 1/3), m = 3. 3. Teams with equal points are separated according to [4.B]. 7. Reasons for being a "Geo-Club". We retain the policy of trying to "persuade" teams to have a local basis with regular practices, by giving those teams slight advantages. (Of course, the real point is that so-called "geo-teams" will improve more quickly than their opponents do, and that their real advantage is in becoming the better team.) 1. When two teams have the same ranking (or seeding) score, a geo-team is placed above other teams. 2. A geo-club may enter more than one team to some events with players able to move "freely" between teams provided they follow the comments below. This idea is evidently open to abuse but could well make sense for certain clubs and players. The aim is to make it easier for clubs that try to set up a local base and encourage a large membership. A club wishing to run more than one team has to check with the Tour Director and go through the details of how it will work, especially for [7.2.iii]. i) A player may only play for one team during a given tournament. ii) Ideally the two (or more) team system will be used by clubs wanting to have a 1st team/2nd team set up where players may progress upwards (or drop downwards) during the season. Note that unreasonable "stacking" of a lower team with strong players to gain some advantage (such as qualification for Nationals) will be illegal and retrospective penalties are not ruled out. This may for example be useful when a club can field more than one team for one or two tour events. (Red and Oxford did this in 1997.) iii) Alternatively a club may decide to divide into teams on some other basis. In this case the teams should have distinct identities. The club must be confident that both (all) teams will attend all the tour events. If the teams are not close in ranking, the unreasonable stacking of a lower team will be illegal. On qualification to Nationals, the club is free to do one of the following. a) Enter a single team (forfeiting the other place(s)). (Shotgun did this in 1997.) b) Continue with the same system. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Jan 16 15:55:09 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id OAA03482 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 14:43:38 GMT Received: from mercury.king.ac.uk (mercury.king.ac.uk [141.241.4.24]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA03442 for ; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 14:43:23 GMT Received: from bob.king.ac.uk by mercury.king.ac.uk with SMTP (MMTA 2) with ESMTP; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 14:43:12 +0000 Received: from BOB/SpoolDir by bob.king.ac.uk (Mercury 1.40); 16 Jan 98 14:44:27 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by BOB (Mercury 1.40); 16 Jan 98 14:44:15 +0000 From: Colin Smith Organization: Kingston University To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 14:44:08 +0000 Subject: Gun Savage X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.54) Message-ID: <373768F10EC@bob.king.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Sorry Guys, I've been a little foolish and ditched the details about Gun Savage on Sunday. Can someone let me know if there're any spaces left for players please? I'd like to play. Cheers Colin ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Colin Smith SNATCH - "we can waggle ours..." Kingston University Ultimate Club K967338@kingston.ac.uk Pager: 04325 265073 From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Jan 19 00:53:10 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id AAA10671 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 00:32:53 GMT Received: from hotmail.com (f151.hotmail.com [207.82.251.30]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA28123 for ; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 22:11:36 GMT Received: (qmail 5046 invoked by uid 0); 18 Jan 1998 22:10:58 -0000 Message-ID: <19980118221058.5045.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 137.222.1.5 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 14:10:57 PST X-Originating-IP: [137.222.1.5] From: "Robert Cole" To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Bristol Indoors: Rob's Back Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 14:10:57 PST Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Due to slightly unforeseen circumstances, I'm back in the country earlier than expected. So if you have any questions about the event, you can now email me. Latest news is that Mythago have volunteered to put some teams up, so if you don't have a place to stay, email me or Chris (ch5400@bris.ac.uk) for some help. See ya Rob Cole robert_cole@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Jan 19 08:05:51 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id HAA07973 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 07:47:04 GMT Received: from gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (ralf@gem [137.205.227.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA07959 for ; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 07:47:02 GMT Received: (from ralf@localhost) by gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id HAA26464 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 07:47:01 GMT Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 07:47:01 GMT From: Ranulf Doswell Message-Id: <199801190747.HAA26464@gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: BFDF Events Reminder Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk British Flying Disc Federation Disc Events Diary ------------------------------------------------ The events list can also be found at http://www.dcs.warwick.ac.uk/~ralf/bfdf/ ---------- Wednesday 21st January 1998 Scottish League (1 day) [Outdoor Ultimate] URL: http://www.ed.ac.uk/~ultimate/ Saturday 24th January 1998 Bristol Indoors (2 days) @ Whitchurch Sports Hall, Witchurch, Bristol [Indoor Ultimate] Contact Robert Cole Email robert_cole@hotmail.com Phone 0117 923 7410 (after 7pm) Saturday 31st January 1998 Newport Indoors (2 days) @ Newport, Gwent [Indoor Ultimate] Contact Wayne Retter Email Wayne_Retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk Northern Indoors Open (2 days) @ Leeds [Indoor Ultimate] Contact Chewy Email bgy6jgc@SOUTH-02.NOVELL.LEEDS.AC.UK Wednesday 4th February 1998 Scottish League (1 day) [Outdoor Ultimate] URL: http://www.ed.ac.uk/~ultimate/ Sunday 8th February 1998 GB Training (Women and Masters) (1 day) TBC [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 14th February 1998 Regional Indoors (2 days) [Indoor Ultimate] Contact Wayne Davey Email wmd4@student.open.ac.uk Phone 01225 462212 Wednesday 18th February 1998 Scottish League (1 day) [Outdoor Ultimate] URL: http://www.ed.ac.uk/~ultimate/ Saturday 21st February 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Whitcombe, Dorset [Golf] Student Indoor Finals (2 days) @ Manchester [Students' Indoor Ultimate] Contact Simon Weeks Email gga95sew@sheffield.ac.uk Phone 0114 222 9999 ext 52252 Saturday 28th February 1998 Scottish Indoor Regionals (2 days) [Indoor Ultimate] Contact James Spicer Email J.A.Spicer@sms.ed.ac.uk URL http://www.ed.ac.uk/~ultimate/ Warwick Indoors (2 days) [Indoor Ultimate] Contact Jim Ayrton Email stuly@csv.warwick.ac.uk URL http://www.csv.warwick.ac.uk/~suaaz/ Wednesday 4th March 1998 Scottish League (1 day) [Outdoor Ultimate] URL: http://www.ed.ac.uk/~ultimate/ Saturday 7th March 1998 "Spring into Action" 1998 (2 days) @ University of Warwick (TBC) [Women's Outdoor Ultimate] Cost: 45 GBP per team (incl. BUF tax), cheques payable to Sue Underwood. SAT- 11am for 11:30 start Finish approx 5.30pm SUN- 9.30/10 start Finish approx 3.00pm Contact Sue Underwood Sunday 8th March 1998 GB Training (Open, Women and Masters) (1 day) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 14th March 1998 National Indoors (2 days) [Indoor Ultimate] Contact Wayne Davey Email wmd4@student.open.ac.uk Phone 01225 462212 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Quarry Park, Warwickshire [Golf] Saturday 28th March 1998 Tour I (2 days) (Provisional) @ Leicester (TBC) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 4th April 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Ashton Court, Bristol [Golf] Dublin (2 days) TBC [Ultimate] Contact Gareth McFeely Email garreth.mcfeely@iveagh.irlgov.ie Sunday 12th April 1998 GB Training (Open, Women and Masters) (1 day) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 18th April 1998 Tour II (2 days) @ Swidon [Outdoor Ultimate] TD Layout Dreams Saturday 2nd May 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Scottish Open, Isle of Mull [Golf] Saturday 9th May 1998 Tour III (2 days) (Provisional) @ Birmingham [Outdoor Ultimate] TD Charlie Mead Thursday 21st May 1998 Rotterdam (4 days) [Outdoor Ultimate Abroad] Saturday 30th May 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) TBC @ Hayling Island, Southampton [Golf] Saturday 6th June 1998 Fiesta (2 days) TBC [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 13th June 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Quarry Park, Warwickshire [Golf] Saturday 20th June 1998 Tour IV (2 days) @ Southampton [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 4th July 1998 Tour V (2 days) (Provisional) [Outdoor Ultimate] Possible on the 11/7/98 Saturday 11th July 1998 Date reserved (2 days) Saturday 18th July 1998 Date reserved (2 days) BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Whitcombe, Dorset [Golf] Friday 14th August 1998 Worlds (10 days) [Outdoor Ultimate Abroad] Saturday 15th August 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Essex University [Golf] Saturday 29th August 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) TBC @ Perth or Edinburgh [Golf] Friday 11th September 1998 BUF Open (3 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 19th September 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Burnlaw, Horthumberland [Golf] Saturday 26th September 1998 Nationals 98 (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 24th October 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Whitcombe, Dorset [Golf Handicap] ---------------------------------------------------------- British Flying Disc Federation Disc Events Diary http://www.dcs.warwick.ac.uk/~ralf/bfdf/ Ranulf Doswell, ralf@dcs.warwick.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Jan 19 09:04:40 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id IAA14077 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 08:47:01 GMT Received: from pp.dundee.ac.uk (pp.dundee.ac.uk [134.36.2.60]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA14065 for ; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 08:46:56 GMT Received: from dux.dundee.ac.uk by pp.dundee.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Mon, 19 Jan 1998 08:37:40 +0000 Received: from 134.36.142.46 by dux.dundee.ac.uk (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4-S2000) id IAA20740; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 08:45:44 GMT Message-ID: <34C312F3.BB4@dundee.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 08:46:43 +0000 From: Jester Reply-To: j.m.wilson@dundee.ac.uk Organization: doj X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Ultimate on Video References: <19980118221058.5045.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Dear all Can anyone please lend me any videos of people (male, female and coed) playing some top quality Ultimate? I need footage as research for an Interactive Ultimate Database I'm designing at art college. I've already been loaned the Sweden v USA and NYNY v Big Brother Finals which were exactly what I was after, so I'd just like more of the same. I'm also on the lookout for Ultimate Beadle moments, daft calls or other funnies. A history of the game would be great too, basically anything that a complete beginner would find interesting (anybody have any training videos?). If you think you can lend me a PAL video of the above shenanagins for a short while (I would of course pay the postage) than please mail me as soon as possible. Cheers All the bester Jester p.s. Play with style, layout far, Dundee Ultimate Shooting Stars! Ulrika ka ka ka! p.p.s. What do you call a Scottish Apache Hawkeye the Noo Yuk yuk yuk yuk! From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Jan 19 10:44:29 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id JAA21825 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 09:41:11 GMT Received: from inetsvr.merchants.co.uk ([194.193.200.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA21738 for ; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 09:40:47 GMT Received: from MailLinkServer.merchants.internal (MailLinkServer.merchants.internal [201.1.3.190]) by inetsvr.merchants.co.uk (NTMail 3.02.13) with ESMTP id ta041229 for ; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 09:44:42 +0000 Date: 19 Jan 98 09:32:47 +0000 From: Patrick Winser Subject: FWD>*** Forwarded from patch *** To: Britdisc Message-ID: <980119.093247@merchants.co.uk> X-Mailer: QM-Internet Gateway 1.0 X-Priority: 4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id JAA21818 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk FWD>*** Forwarded from patch *** 17/1/98 12:56 pm For all who did not get this I am putting it on the net to let you all know about he co-ed aspect of worlds. Patch I thought I'd send this around to the folks on this alias just in case any of you missed it. Take care and i hope to see you there. Chuck Brunson ChannelPoint, Inc 719-260-1232 x151 719-260-9776 FAX cbrunson@channelpoint.com > DiscNW; Greg Williams > Subject: Announcing WFDF Coed Division > > Dear Players and National Ultimate Organizations, > > On behalf of the World Flying Disc Federation's Ultimate Committee > (WFDF), > I am happy to announce the creation of a new division for the August > World > Ultimate Championships in Blaine, Minnesota - The WFDF World Coed > Championship Division. > > Each country's national organization is invited to send a coed, or > "mixed" > gender, team to participate in the 1998 WFDF World Coed Championship > Division. > > Coed teams consist of both men and women, with at least three of both > genders playing at all times (3:4 gender ratio). The gender of the > seventh > player is chosen by the offense (receiving team) at the beginning of > each > point. > > Playing rules are the same in Coed as in Open and Women's divisions > (unless two captains come to a special agreement, within tournament > guidelines). Conventions relating to coed play will be discussed on > e-mail > prior to the tournament and at the capt ain's meeting. There are no > age > restrictions in the 1998 WFDF Coed Division. At least 4 coed teams > must > enter for the division to proceed. > > Each coed team must have a roster of at least 12 eligible players, > including at least 5 women and 7 men. Ideally, coed teams have an > equal > number of men and women. > > Coed teams will follow standard WFDF rules for registration and > eligibility, with the following exception: The 1998 WFDF Coed Division > is > being offered on a trial basis for the first year - our goal is to > jump-start a successful division by encouraging coed teams from as > many > countries as possible. Therefore, the WFDF Ultimate Committee is > committed to working with each country on an individual basis to > assist > that country in sending a coed team. To qualify for special > eligibility > option A or B (below), a national organization must explain why it is > unable to form a full coed team and must obtain permission from the > WFDF > Ultimate Committee's Coed Representative, well in advance. > > Special option A allows national coed teams with permission to add > pre-selected North American coed players (especially women) to fill > incomplete rosters. This is not pick-up, and must be arranged within > guidelines. The spirit of this option is to allow new countries and > countries with struggling women's divisions to attend worlds. The > Coed > Committee will pre-select filler volunteers for the pool of available > mercenaries well in advance, attempting to provide incomplete teams > with > filler players who speak the team's language. There will be a limit to > the > number of filler players allowed per team, with countries with little > or > no Worlds experience receiving more flexibility than countries with > strong > Worlds experience. A team using special option A may not add more > filler > players than its own standard players. > > Special option B allows up to 3 national organizations to form an > international coed team, with permission. The spirit of this option > is to > allow more players from more countries to participate in the first > year of > the coed division. Each country applying for option B must explain > why it > can not form a full coed team of its own and show that all interested > players within the country received a chance to form a national coed > team. > Countries with little or no previous Worlds experience will be given > more > flexibility to form international teams than countries with strong > Worlds > experience. > > In addition, the WFDF Ultimate Committee is committed to creating a > coed > division that includes enough games to be worthwhile. Therefore, if > the > division is small, it may be possible for a country to send two coed > teams > for the trial year. We will not confirm second team invitations until > closer to the tournament. Countries hoping to send two coed teams > must > contact the WFDF Coed Representative well in advance. A country > sending > two coed teams will not be eligible for special option A or B. > > This is a trial division and participating teams are invited to help > define the rules and the future of the division. If you have > suggestions > that will help the WFDF Ultimate Committee meet it's goal of a > successful > coed division, please speak up now. The intent of the division is to > have > as much fun as possible playing high quality mixed-gender Ultimate. > > Ultimate lends itself to high level play with a wider range of speeds > and > heights than most sports. It will be exciting to watch the coed > division > evolve! We hope your country will participate in the WFDF Coed > Division's > inaugural Championship. > > ----------- cut here and send below part ---------------- > > If you represent a national Ultimate organization, please indicate > your > country's current level of interest in the 1998 WFDF Coed Division > Championship in Minnesota in August: (This is to gain a preliminary > idea > of the interest level. You can change your answer. Please respond, > even > if you are not sure, so we can get a feel for how many teams will be > playing in the WFDF Coed Division.) > > Country _____________ > > 1. We can definitely send one coed team, and may be interested in two > > 2. We expect to send one coed team > > 3. We think we can form-educational". This term was used when > colleges and universities changed from all male to mixed-gender > classes > and has now evolved to mean mixed-gender. > > Coed Ultimate is thriving in North America. Some form of mixed gender > Ultimate is played in most, if not all countries where Ultimate is > played. > Some events are played with a 5:2 gender ratio, others with 4:3 or > 6:1. > > New Zealand's Nationals are played coed. > > The Canadian University Ultimate Championships had a coed division for > the > first time in 1997. > > The UPA held it's first Coed Series in 1997, with many preliminary > tournaments and a final "Celebration" for coed teams from across North > America. > > In eight years, the Potlatch tournament in Seattle has grown from 10 > to 75 > international coed teams. Players from at least Australia, Canada, > Germany, New Zealand, Switzerland, and the US have attended Potlatch. > > The first World Coed demonstration game was played at the World > Ultimate > Club Championships in Vancouver last August. > > Coed Ultimate enables men and women to play together as valuable > teammates > at a high level of competition and spirit. > -------- RFC-822 Header: RECEIVED: from INETSVR.MERCHANTS.CO.UK by maillinkserver.merchants.internal ; 17 JAN 98 12:56:44 UT Received: from mail.compulink.co.uk (mail.compulink.co.uk [194.153.0.20]) by inetsvr.merchants.co.uk (NTMail 3.02.13) with ESMTP id ha041009 for ; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 13:01:29 +0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by mail.compulink.co.uk (8.8.7/8.8.6) id MAA15666 for patrick.winser@merchants.co.uk; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 12:56:52 GMT Date: Sat, 17 Jan 98 12:56 GMT0 From: patch@cix.compulink.co.uk (Patch Winser) Subject: *** Forwarded from patch *** To: patrick.winser@merchants.co.uk Cc: patch@cix.compulink.co.uk Reply-To: patch@cix.compulink.co.uk Message-Id: From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Jan 19 23:58:47 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id XAA19232 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 23:36:27 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA19227 for ; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 23:36:25 GMT Received: from phidelta.demon.co.uk ([158.152.248.177]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa2013316; 19 Jan 98 23:29 GMT Message-ID: Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 23:28:28 +0000 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: Wayne Retter Subject: BUF Tour Rules 98 (Draft) - URL for HTML version In-Reply-To: <199801161453.OAA15902@newton.leeds.amsta> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Trial Version 3.04 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk These are now also in HTML format at the following address: http://www.phidelta.demon.co.uk/u8-98/rulesandregs.htm Note: All the text is there, but I'm still working on getting all the crossreferences finished, so don't rely on them (the links) too much! Wayne who ought to be doing other things... S J Hill writes >********************** >3. Draft of Tour Rules >********************** -------------------------- Wayne Retter Wayne@phidelta.demon.co.uk http://www.phidelta.demon.co.uk/ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Jan 20 00:44:37 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id XAA20688 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 23:51:40 GMT Received: from hotmail.com (F58.hotmail.com [207.82.250.144]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA20681 for ; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 23:51:38 GMT Received: (qmail 21635 invoked by uid 0); 19 Jan 1998 23:51:05 -0000 Message-ID: <19980119235105.21634.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 137.222.1.6 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 15:51:04 PST X-Originating-IP: [137.222.1.6] From: "Robert Cole" To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Bristol Indoors: Floor Space Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 15:51:04 PST Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk For all of you who need somewhere to sleep for Saturday night, there should be no problems. Mythago have volunteered to host several teams, as have Headrush. If you are going to come down on Friday night, and need somewhere to stay, email me or phone (0117 9237410 or 0861 170759) ASAP, as I'll try and sort something out. See ya all there... Rob Cole robert_cole@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Jan 20 11:06:49 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id KAA13490 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 10:18:10 GMT Received: from exeter.ac.uk (hermes.ex.ac.uk [144.173.6.14]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA13456 for ; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 10:17:58 GMT Received: from mstl003 [144.173.9.203] by hermes via SMTP (KAA23168); Tue, 20 Jan 1998 10:17:51 GMT From: Sue Farley Reply-To: S.M.Farley@exeter.ac.uk To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: SW regionals, Exeter 14/15 feb Message-ID: Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 10:19:49 +0000 (GMT) Read-Receipt-To: Sue Farley Disposition-Notification-To: Sue Farley X-Mailer: Simeon for Win32 Version 4.1.2 Build (29) X-Authentication: IMSP MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk To all Following the message that was sent before. I have realised that I didn't leave a contact number, so here it is: Sue: 01392 493127 or if prefered e-mail ma95smf@exeter.ac.uk OR s.m.farley@exeter.ac.uk Cheers Sue ---------------------- Sue Farley University of Exeter From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Jan 20 11:08:06 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id JAA09198 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 09:56:52 GMT Received: from exeter.ac.uk (hermes.ex.ac.uk [144.173.6.14]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA09143 for ; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 09:56:39 GMT Received: from mstl003 [144.173.9.203] by hermes via SMTP (JAA06639); Tue, 20 Jan 1998 09:56:33 GMT From: Sue Farley Reply-To: S.M.Farley@exeter.ac.uk To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: SW Regional Indoors Message-ID: Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 09:58:30 +0000 (GMT) Read-Receipt-To: Sue Farley Disposition-Notification-To: Sue Farley X-Mailer: Simeon for Win32 Version 4.1.2 Build (29) X-Authentication: IMSP MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id JAA09186 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk To All The South West Regional indoor tounament will be held in Exeter on the weekend of the 14/15th February. The cost of the tournament will be £50 per team which includes BUF tax. We have 2 pitches, and places for 24 teams. Please send your cheques for £50 payable to URIEL ULTIMATE FRISBEE asap to: Uriel c/o S.Farley 8 Jubilee Road Exeter EX1 2HU Receipt of the cheque will guarentee your team a place. Looking forward to seeing your disc skills at the weekend as well as those from the South East Have fun! Sue & Brett TD SW Regionals ---------------------- Sue Farley University of Exeter From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Jan 20 12:34:02 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id LAA03357 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 11:55:18 GMT Received: from brookes.ac.uk (csmail.brookes.ac.uk [161.73.1.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA03316 for ; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 11:55:02 GMT Received: from 97315250 by brookes.ac.uk (8.8.7/) id LAA03181; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 11:54:51 GMT Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 11:54:51 GMT From: jewell tara s <97315250@brookes.ac.uk> Message-Id: <199801201154.LAA03181@brookes.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Brookes Windows Client ver. 4.2b To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Women's Indoor Nationals Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk All Women, Thank you everybody for playing, partying and not drowning in the swimming pool! Thank you teams who had the furthest distance to travel and arrived first! Thank you teams that picked up players who didn't manage to get a place in the tournament. Thank you if you merged with another team when numbers were a bit low. The final positions: 1. Bliss 2. Eager Beavers 3. 0181 (spirit winners) 4. WiB 5. Organics 6. Ow!Hawks 7. Flowering Garden 8. Sneeekey's I 9. Mud Culture (Plate Winners) 10. Red 11. Sneeekey's II 12. Fake It 13. Snatch 22 14. Headington Horrors 15. Tequila 16. Pick up Hope to see you at the women's outdoors in March. If you are still not on the women's contact list and would like to be, please either e-mail me or telephone (01865) 246158 your contact details. Tara From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Jan 21 00:19:41 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id XAA04416 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 23:22:13 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.154]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA04398 for ; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 23:22:04 GMT Received: from phidelta.demon.co.uk ([158.152.248.177]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa1012631; 20 Jan 98 23:19 GMT Message-ID: Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 22:22:21 +0000 To: BritDisc From: National Indoors TD Reply-To: Midlands/National Indoors TD Subject: (Indoors) Midlands Regional/Nationals Accomodation MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Mailer: Turnpike Trial Version 3.04 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Midlands Indoor Regional Championships 14/15 Feb 98 National Indoor Championships 14/15 Mar 98 Chris says he's checked out some of the accomodation options: -------- Northlands Youth Arts Centre, Pitville Circus is UNAVAILABLE for the weekend of MIDLANDS REGIONALS -------- Hunters Lodge, Cheltenham Racecourse is AVAILABLE 30 family (4 people) rooms costs: 1 person: 20.00 2 people: 35.00 3 people: 45.00 4 people: 50.00 all including breakfast. we're not sure if the 1 person for 20.00 means that you get a whole room to yourself, or a bed in a room of 4, but we're presuming the former... is UNAVAILABLE for the weekend of NATIONALS (due to the racing the following weekend) ------- YMCA he hasn't got around to ringing them yet... ------- Chris suggests that teams that have paid and are seeking accomodation contact him (01452-859210) for more info. this information, and contact details for the above places is accessible via the tournament website. http://www.phidelta.demon.co.uk/nati98/ Regards Wayne -- indoors98@phidelta.demon.co.uk Layout Dreams Midlands Regional Indoors TD National Indoors TD From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Jan 21 00:20:06 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id XAA04116 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 23:19:51 GMT Received: from hotmail.com (F55.hotmail.com [207.82.250.141]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA04100 for ; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 23:19:44 GMT Received: (qmail 28097 invoked by uid 0); 20 Jan 1998 23:19:10 -0000 Message-ID: <19980120231910.28096.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 137.222.1.5 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 15:19:09 PST X-Originating-IP: [137.222.1.5] From: "Robert Cole" To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: For Adam B. (fat druid) only Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 15:19:09 PST Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Slow white's earliest game on Sunday is at 10am, providing they don't drop into the plate, in which case it could be 9am. See ya ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Jan 21 16:56:09 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id QAA13218 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 16:26:36 GMT Received: from mailgate.city.ac.uk (mailgate.city.ac.uk [138.40.12.3]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA13181 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 16:26:28 GMT Received: from netmail.city.ac.uk [138.40.12.1] by mailgate.city.ac.uk with smtp (City SMTP listener 1.71 #1) id 0xv2u7-0004ne-00; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 16:21:27 +0000 Received: from scarman.city.ac.uk [138.40.85.30] by netmail.city.ac.uk with smtp (City Mailer 1.73 #1) id 0xv2yY-0000nx-00; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 16:26:02 +0000 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "AILES G M" To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 16:21:59 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Ride to Bristol? X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Message-Id: Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Dear Bristol Indoor Tourny goers from London, Any chance of a ride to the tourny on Friday night or Saturday morning for me and/or a few of the Angels? Petrol money would naturally be forthcoming. If interested please call me on 0181-546-8637 or e-mail me back by Thursday. Much appreciated. Gavin (Angels) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Jan 21 17:09:29 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id QAA18890 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 16:51:08 GMT Received: from pp2.shef.ac.uk (pp2.shef.ac.uk [143.167.1.32]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA18865 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 16:51:04 GMT Received: from pebley.shef.ac.uk [143.167.79.249] by pp2.shef.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.73 #1) id 0xv3Ml-0004C5-03; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 16:51:03 +0000 Received: from PEBLEY/SpoolDir by pebley.shef.ac.uk (Mercury 1.32); 21 Jan 98 16:51:04 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by PEBLEY (Mercury 1.32); 21 Jan 98 16:51:03 +0000 From: "Simon Weeks" To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 16:50:54 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Student OUTDOOR Finals X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <129CCFB69C2@pebley.shef.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk To All Student Types, As in the past there will be no qualifiers for the Student Outdoors and there will be one big extravaganza on the 2nd/3rd of May. So far I have had interest in hosting this tournament expressed by Plymouth, Nottingham, Cantebury and Leicester, but have had no final bid from anyone. Any teams wishing to place a bid should do so very shortly, as I plan to get the venue sorted as quickly as possible. Also if anyone has severe problems with this proposed date then please let me know NOW, before the venue is booked! Look forward to hearing from you, Simon. ################################################### simon weeks sorby hall, endcliffe vale road, sheffield, s10 3es tel. 0114 222 9999 extension 52252 email: gga95sew@sheffield.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Jan 21 18:55:49 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id SAA09790 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 18:31:42 GMT Received: from UPIMSRGSMTP09 (upimsrgsmtp09.msn.com [207.68.152.53]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA09764 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 18:31:37 GMT Received: from upmajb02.msn.com - 204.95.110.74 by msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 10:30:28 -0800 Date: Wed, 21 Jan 98 18:22:22 UT From: "Helen Stanwell-Smith" Message-Id: To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Pick-ups for Bristol Indoors Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk If anyone is interested in playing at the Bristol indoors this weekend but doesnt have a team to play for, a couple of players are needed for "Ex-Uriel" (name soon to be changed!) Any one able to hold a disc and a pint of beer is extremely welcome! Please contact me ASAP on 0115 947 0138 or by Email Thanks Helen S-S From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Jan 21 19:27:37 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id LAA12460 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 11:09:08 GMT Received: from hotmail.com (F6.hotmail.com [207.82.250.17]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA12420 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 11:08:59 GMT Received: (qmail 23290 invoked by uid 0); 21 Jan 1998 11:08:15 -0000 Message-ID: <19980121110815.23289.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 137.222.1.8 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 03:08:10 PST X-Originating-IP: [137.222.1.8] From: "Robert Cole" To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Final Bristol Indoors Stuff Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 03:08:10 PST Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Jan 21 22:48:58 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id WAA08802 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 22:30:26 GMT Received: from hotmail.com (f144.hotmail.com [207.82.251.23]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA08786 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 22:30:22 GMT Received: (qmail 8958 invoked by uid 0); 21 Jan 1998 22:29:48 -0000 Message-ID: <19980121222948.8957.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 137.222.1.7 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 14:29:47 PST X-Originating-IP: [137.222.1.7] From: "Robert Cole" To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Bristol Indoors Accomodation Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 14:29:47 PST Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk If any team needs acomodation on Friday night (don't worry about Saturday, that's all covered) could you please email me ASAP so I know how many places we need. Two teams have so far been sorted, but I need to know if anyone else needs accomodation on Friday so that I don't end up with 30 people trying to sleep at my place. See ya Saturday Rob Cole robert_cole@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Jan 22 14:17:31 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id NAA12393 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 13:41:34 GMT Received: from mailhub.abdn.ac.uk (mailhub.abdn.ac.uk [139.133.7.23]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA12241 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 13:41:04 GMT From: ext390@abdn.ac.uk Received: from mb4.wkstn.abdn.ac.uk (mb4.wkstn.abdn.ac.uk [139.133.225.36]) by mailhub.abdn.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA02495 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 13:40:51 GMT Message-Id: Subject: Aberdeen Ultimate ? To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 13:40:49 +0000 (GMT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi, I've just moved up to Aberdeen, and was wondering if there was anyone in the area who'd be interested in playing Ultimate, with a possible view to starting a new team, if there isn't one here already. Cheers, Nick Mwnci See From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Jan 22 17:50:57 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id RAA29332 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 17:27:49 GMT Received: from mps2.leeds.ac.uk (mps2.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.16.22]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA29265 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 17:27:35 GMT Received: from south-02.novell.leeds.ac.uk (south-02.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.76.2]) by mps2.leeds.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA22682 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 17:27:31 GMT Received: from LUCS-H12/SpoolDir by south-02.novell.leeds.ac.uk (Mercury 1.31); 22 Jan 98 17:27:30 GMT0BST Received: from SpoolDir by LUCS-H12 (Mercury 1.31); 22 Jan 98 17:27:18 GMT0BST From: "Chewy" Organization: University of Leeds To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 17:26:49 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Northern Regionals 2 X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.54) Message-ID: <127722A52EF7@south-02.novell.leeds.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Apologies for cluttering Britdisc but i've done the usual mistake of not putting on my contact number!!! John Chewins 100 Woodsley road Leeds LS3 1DU 0113 2349416 From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Jan 22 17:51:26 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id RAA26739 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 17:15:16 GMT Received: from sunserv5.leeds.ac.uk (sunserv5.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.16.35]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA26637 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 17:15:00 GMT Received: from south-02.novell.leeds.ac.uk (south-02.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.76.2]) by sunserv5.leeds.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA22867 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 17:14:59 GMT Received: from LUCS-H12/SpoolDir by south-02.novell.leeds.ac.uk (Mercury 1.31); 22 Jan 98 17:14:58 GMT0BST Received: from SpoolDir by LUCS-H12 (Mercury 1.31); 22 Jan 98 17:14:57 GMT0BST From: "Chewy" Organization: University of Leeds To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 17:14:51 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Northern Regionals X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.54) Message-ID: <1276EDEB781F@south-02.novell.leeds.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk To all This really just a request to try to get the final team listing sorted out ( ie payment is needed to confirm entry! ). So far i have had some cheques and others are on the way, but at the moment some teams have said they will bring a team but i have not rewceived any real confirmation. I know ( being a student myself ) that often the unions are not that forthcoming with money so i'm not putting on loads of pressure for payment, just the return of the invite slip or a phone call to say that you are 100% definatly bringing a team. Teams who have confirmed: Lancaster 1 Lancaster 2 Bradford 1 Bradford 2 Chevron 1 Chevron 2 Fingers 6 1 Fingers 6 2 Leeds Losers Mild mannered janitors Northern Lights I would like definate confirmation of whether these teams are actually coming ( either the return of the invite, the cheque or a phone call ). Superfly Sheffield ( Had a sort of reply that you're coming from Pete Cotton ) Loughborough Please get in touch ASAP as i have other teams requesting places. Thanks a lot Chewy From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Jan 23 16:53:10 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id PAA19736 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 15:32:06 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA19387 for ; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 15:30:24 GMT Received: from phidelta.demon.co.uk ([158.152.248.177]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa2009673; 23 Jan 98 14:58 GMT Message-ID: Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 14:56:04 +0000 To: Fluid Druids , Cryogenica Playthings , Night Fever , Whiplash , Bliss/Pulp , Chineapple Punks , Shrub , OW! , First Touch , Mr Men , Hurricanes , WIB , Angels , Slow White , UTI , Blue Arse Flies Cc: Cryogenica Playthings , First Touch From: "Newport98 TD (Wayne Retter)" Subject: Newport: Captains' Meeting MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Trial Version 3.04 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Is supposed to be at 9.00, but you'd better be there earlier because: The games are also supposed to start at 9.00! Looks like I've found this year's error! Still, it seemed to work out OK last year! some captains' meeting info is on the tournament website (see sig. below), but some of this may change... Wayne Wayne Retter NEWPORT INDOORS 98 TD newport98@phidelta.demon.co.uk http://www.phidelta.demon.co.uk/fluiddruids/newport98/ hosted by: FLUID DRUIDS theultimatefrisbeeteam From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Jan 23 18:02:52 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id QAA05484 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 16:54:08 GMT Received: from beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk (beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.129.138]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA05363 for ; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 16:53:42 GMT From: tww93si@soton.ac.uk Received: from hazel.sucs.soton.ac.uk (hazel.sucs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.173.100]) by beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.5/server) with SMTP id QAA05247; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 16:53:38 GMT Received: from b44a-54.sucs.soton.ac.uk (b44a-54.sucs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.173.54]) by hazel.sucs.soton.ac.uk (SMI-8.6/client-8.8) with ESMTP id QAA28152; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 16:53:38 GMT Received: (from tww93si@localhost) by b44a-54.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.5/client-8.8) id QAA29934; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 16:53:37 GMT Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 16:53:37 GMT Message-Id: <199801231653.QAA29934@b44a-54.sucs.soton.ac.uk> To: wayne@phidelta.demon.co.uk Subject: Southampton Indoor Tournaments (Better late than even later) Cc: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-MD5: 039IqFYpVrQoyaRG8Ld3iw== Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Southampton indoors happend a month ago yesterday so I thought I might update everyone with the final results. Sorry all those hanging on, for detail (Wayne), but I'll come up with the priceless excuse of being in the middle of the first half of my finals (sounds plausable anyway) here we go Cup Tournament 1. Mario All Stars 2. Fluid Druids 3. Chinapple Punks 4. Under The Influence 5. Shrub 6. Mr. Men 7. Skunks 1 8. Blue Arse Flies Plate Tournament 1. Strollers 2. Bliss 3. Village People 4. Dilbert Zone 5. More Than Just A Hint 6. Skunks 2 7. Women In Black 8. Skunks 3 Spirit Vote went to 'Under The Influence' Thanks to all who attended and helped the event run smoothly. Also thanks to those who gave me advice and hints along the way, and to those who noticed the way I cocked up the schedule on Sunday Morning. Note for your diarys, Southampton Outdoors is on 20/21 June, but is a tour event, so you'll all know about it already. Cheers 'n' that, Tim. Club Secretary Southampton University Ultimate Frisbee Club. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Jan 26 08:15:25 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id HAA28986 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 07:47:04 GMT Received: from gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (ralf@gem [137.205.227.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA28976 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 07:47:02 GMT Received: (from ralf@localhost) by gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id HAA17346 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 07:47:01 GMT Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 07:47:01 GMT From: Ranulf Doswell Message-Id: <199801260747.HAA17346@gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: BFDF Events Reminder Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk British Flying Disc Federation Disc Events Diary ------------------------------------------------ The events list can also be found at http://www.dcs.warwick.ac.uk/~ralf/bfdf/ ---------- Saturday 31st January 1998 Newport Indoors (2 days) @ Newport, Gwent [Indoor Ultimate] Contact Wayne Retter Email Wayne_Retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk Northern Indoors Open (2 days) @ Leeds [Indoor Ultimate] Contact Chewy Email bgy6jgc@SOUTH-02.NOVELL.LEEDS.AC.UK Wednesday 4th February 1998 Scottish League (1 day) [Outdoor Ultimate] URL: http://www.ed.ac.uk/~ultimate/ Sunday 8th February 1998 GB Training (Women and Masters) (1 day) TBC [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 14th February 1998 Regional Indoors (2 days) [Indoor Ultimate] Contact Wayne Davey Email wmd4@student.open.ac.uk Phone 01225 462212 Wednesday 18th February 1998 Scottish League (1 day) [Outdoor Ultimate] URL: http://www.ed.ac.uk/~ultimate/ Saturday 21st February 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Whitcombe, Dorset [Golf] Student Indoor Finals (2 days) @ Manchester [Students' Indoor Ultimate] Contact Simon Weeks Email gga95sew@sheffield.ac.uk Phone 0114 222 9999 ext 52252 Saturday 28th February 1998 Scottish Indoor Regionals (2 days) [Indoor Ultimate] Contact James Spicer Email J.A.Spicer@sms.ed.ac.uk URL http://www.ed.ac.uk/~ultimate/ Warwick Indoors (2 days) [Indoor Ultimate] Contact Jim Ayrton Email stuly@csv.warwick.ac.uk URL http://www.csv.warwick.ac.uk/~suaaz/ Wednesday 4th March 1998 Scottish League (1 day) [Outdoor Ultimate] URL: http://www.ed.ac.uk/~ultimate/ Saturday 7th March 1998 "Spring into Action" 1998 (2 days) @ University of Warwick (TBC) [Women's Outdoor Ultimate] Cost: 45 GBP per team (incl. BUF tax), cheques payable to Sue Underwood. SAT- 11am for 11:30 start Finish approx 5.30pm SUN- 9.30/10 start Finish approx 3.00pm Contact Sue Underwood Sunday 8th March 1998 GB Training (Open, Women and Masters) (1 day) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 14th March 1998 National Indoors (2 days) [Indoor Ultimate] Contact Wayne Davey Email wmd4@student.open.ac.uk Phone 01225 462212 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Quarry Park, Warwickshire [Golf] Saturday 28th March 1998 Tour I (2 days) (Provisional) @ Leicester (TBC) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 4th April 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Ashton Court, Bristol [Golf] Dublin (2 days) TBC [Ultimate] Contact Gareth McFeely Email garreth.mcfeely@iveagh.irlgov.ie Sunday 12th April 1998 GB Training (Open, Women and Masters) (1 day) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 18th April 1998 Tour II (2 days) @ Swidon [Outdoor Ultimate] TD Layout Dreams Saturday 2nd May 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Scottish Open, Isle of Mull [Golf] Saturday 9th May 1998 Tour III (2 days) (Provisional) @ Birmingham [Outdoor Ultimate] TD Charlie Mead Thursday 21st May 1998 Rotterdam (4 days) [Outdoor Ultimate Abroad] Saturday 30th May 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) TBC @ Hayling Island, Southampton [Golf] Saturday 6th June 1998 Fiesta (2 days) TBC [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 13th June 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Quarry Park, Warwickshire [Golf] Saturday 20th June 1998 Tour IV (2 days) @ Southampton [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 4th July 1998 Tour V (2 days) (Provisional) [Outdoor Ultimate] Possible on the 11/7/98 Saturday 11th July 1998 Date reserved (2 days) Saturday 18th July 1998 Date reserved (2 days) BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Whitcombe, Dorset [Golf] Friday 14th August 1998 Worlds (10 days) [Outdoor Ultimate Abroad] Saturday 15th August 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Essex University [Golf] Saturday 29th August 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) TBC @ Perth or Edinburgh [Golf] Friday 11th September 1998 BUF Open (3 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 19th September 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Burnlaw, Horthumberland [Golf] Saturday 26th September 1998 Nationals 98 (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 24th October 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Whitcombe, Dorset [Golf Handicap] ---------------------------------------------------------- British Flying Disc Federation Disc Events Diary http://www.dcs.warwick.ac.uk/~ralf/bfdf/ Ranulf Doswell, ralf@dcs.warwick.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Jan 26 19:13:42 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id RAA10830 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 17:51:29 GMT Received: from meefw01.mee.com (meefw01.mee.com [194.130.244.66]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA10537 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 17:50:27 GMT From: Guy.Kennett@meuk.mee.com Received: from mee01.mee.com by meefw01.mee.com with SMTP id AA15441 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for ); Mon, 26 Jan 1998 18:55:52 GMT Received: from MEUKSMGW by mee01.mee.com (1.38.193.4/3.4Wbeta6-mee01) id AA24384; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 18:24:12 GMT Received: from ccMail by meuksmgw.meuk.mee.com (IMA Internet Exchange 2.11 Enterprise) id 0003F717; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 17:52:43 +0000 Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 17:36:48 +0000 Message-Id: <0003F717.4199@meuk.mee.com> Subject: Discs at Tournaments To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Great Bristol indoors, BAF had a great time, had some great games and saw lots of spirit and lost some great discs... Anyone find... White '97 Europeans with Animal sticker and BAF on botton White '97 Japan Cup disc with Guy BAF on bottom if you have 'em, give them to Merrick at Newport. and.... a bit of a groan.... TD's, (indoor and outdoor) how about supplying the discs for the games at YOUR tournament that we all pay to play in? Get BUF to supply you with discs at cost if that is the issue then... 4 discs @ GBP6 = GBP24, Thats GBP1 extra cost per team My DiscCraft got busted in a game I was not in. How it got on pitch I don't know, I left it on my bag on the seats. I guess someone wanted a throw, saw a good disc, the whistle went, the search for a reasonable condition disc started and the rest is history. Sound familiar? Thats it, fly high, don't get stalled out. Guy From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Jan 26 19:14:32 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id SAA19095 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 18:44:50 GMT Received: from clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@clover-fddi [137.205.4.2]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA07239 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 14:23:05 GMT Received: from irafs1.ira.uka.de (irafs1.ira.uka.de [129.13.10.100]) by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA09305 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 14:22:44 GMT Received: from [129.13.2.181] [129.13.2.181] (actually i02mac181.ira.uka.de) by irafs1 with SMTP (PP); Mon, 26 Jan 1998 15:20:19 +0100 X-Sender: griesbaum@i02mac198.ira.uka.de Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 15:21:55 +0100 To: BritDisc Mailing List From: Thomas Griesbaum Subject: Ultimate 30th Anniversary Design Contest Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk I was asked to forward this. Even though it is a little late, perhaps someone has a suitable design in his/her pocket. Thomas ---------------------------------------------------------- Ultimate 30th Anniversary Design Contest Help the Ultimate Players Association celebrate 30 years of Ultimate by creating a 30th anniversary disc and logo design. $100, Discraft Discs, and a 1 year membership will be offered to each of the winning designs! Runner up designs will receive merchandise and membership prizes! Rules Deadline for entries is February 6. Electronic artwork is preferred in .bmp .tif or .gif IBM format. Please be sure to include your name, address, and phone number with each entry. 30th Anniversary Disc design must be in 4 color. 30th Anniversary Logo design must be in 2 color and black and white. Possible logo uses: UPA Newsletter, letterhead, bumper stickers, clothing. Please send entries via either email to: upa_hq@upa.org or postal mail to: UPA 3595 E. Fountain Blvd. Suite J2 Colorado Springs, CO 80910 Please include return postage if you want the artwork returned to you. Designs will become the property of the UPA. Mary Hagler From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Jan 26 21:40:11 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id VAA19229 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 21:26:24 GMT Received: from epunix.susx.ac.uk (root@epunix.biols.susx.ac.uk [139.184.162.2]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA19224 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 21:26:22 GMT Received: by epunix.susx.ac.uk (Smail3.1.28.1 #9) id m0xww2X-0002itC; Mon, 26 Jan 98 21:25 GMT Message-Id: From: kevinbr@epunix.susx.ac.uk (Kevin Brooks) Subject: Squaws' Springtime Pow-wow To: Guy.Kennett@meuk.mee.com Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 21:25:57 +0000 (GMT) Cc: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <0003F717.4199@meuk.mee.com> from "Guy.Kennett@meuk.mee.com" at Jan 26, 98 05:36:48 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL20] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Announcing the first ever Squaws' Springtime Pow-Wow, a short but deliciously sweet one day women's tournament. Date: Saturday 21st March. Venue: University of Sussex Sports Centre. Cost: GBP40 per team. Contact: Kate Sygrove, 110, Hythe Rd., Brighton. East Sussex. Tel. (01273) 500234 E-mail hcui1@central.susx.ac.uk Places are limited to 8 teams only (including the Squaws). Priority will be given to the few teams who did not play at the women's indoor nationals (Oxford), but the remainder will be allocated on a first come, first served basis, so get your cheques in asap. The race is on !! We will try to accommodate half teams and pick-up players, so get in touch if you don't have a full team. Locks, Mohawks. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Jan 26 23:34:12 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id XAA07866 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 23:13:09 GMT Received: from alpha1.albany.edu (SYSTEM@alpha1.cnsvax.albany.edu [169.226.1.25]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA07835 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 23:13:03 GMT Received: from cnsvax.albany.edu by cnsvax.albany.edu (PMDF V5.1-10 #18385) id <01ISUBKS5YKG94GCG9@cnsvax.albany.edu> for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 18:12:15 EST Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 18:12:15 -0500 (EST) From: woven chain OR John Halibut Subject: Re: Discs at Tournaments In-reply-to: <0003F717.4199@meuk.mee.com> To: britdisc Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk On Mon, 26 Jan 1998 Guy.Kennett@meuk.mee.com wrote: > TD's, (indoor and outdoor) how about supplying the discs for the > games at YOUR tournament that we all pay to play in? Get BUF to > supply you with discs at cost if that is the issue then... > 4 discs @ GBP6 = GBP24, Thats GBP1 extra cost per team > > My DiscCraft got busted in a game I was not in. How it got on pitch > I don't know, I left it on my bag on the seats. I guess someone > wanted a throw, saw a good disc, the whistle went, the search for > a reasonable condition disc started and the rest is history. not trying to be callous but is the call for discs with leashes? aaron From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Jan 27 18:45:35 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id SAA13321 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 18:19:30 GMT Received: from mercury.doc.ntu.ac.uk (mercury.doc.ntu.ac.uk [152.71.57.110]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA16966 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 15:27:05 GMT Received: from rik.doc.ntu.ac.uk (actually host rik) by mercury with SMTP (PP); Tue, 27 Jan 1998 15:25:01 +0000 Received: from pc75 by rik.doc.ntu.ac.uk (8.6.12) id PAA22896; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 15:24:29 GMT Message-ID: <34CDFBB9.A477ECA4@doc.ntu.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 15:22:33 +0000 From: Adriano Vitali Organization: Department of Computing, Nottingham Trent University X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: britdisc , eurodisc Subject: Discs for sale! X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi everyone! Sam has asked me to sell some of his discs while he's on holiday across the pond, so this is to let you know that SuperFly have a few hundred discs for sale! They are all white Discrafts with either red & green or purple & green SuperFly design on. The price you ask? An economic 7 pounds sterling each! (i'm sure other prices can be aranged if you buy bulk) If interested just e-mail me or catch me at the Northern Regionals this weekend. Just had my last exam and i'm off to the pub! VITO ******* SuperFly From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Jan 27 20:30:40 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id UAA06019 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 20:04:46 GMT Received: from mail.compulink.co.uk (mail.compulink.co.uk [194.153.0.20]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA05968 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 20:04:33 GMT Received: (from root@localhost) by mail.compulink.co.uk (8.8.7/8.8.6) id UAA10430 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 20:04:14 GMT Date: Tue, 27 Jan 98 20:03 GMT0 From: lholden@cix.compulink.co.uk (Louise Holden) Subject: Discs at Tournaments To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Cc: lholden@cix.compulink.co.uk Reply-To: lholden@cix.compulink.co.uk Message-Id: X-Mail-Software: Ameol2 X-URL: http //www.ameol.com Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk I guess I'll probably be accused of being a whinger but I have to agree with some of Guy's comments about discs at *indoor* tournaments. I also lost a disc at Bristol. The annoying thing is that I bring a disc so I can warm up before a game and because people just grab the first disc they can find I wasn't able to do this after the first game. Mine had gone and even if there had been surplus discs around (which there never are) I wasn't about to inflict the same thing on anyone else. I don't object to having my disc used for a game, after all that's what we are there for. Also discs get trashed pretty quickly indoors and I expect them to get broken fairly regularly. But I would expect a borrowed disc to be returned afterwards and if people want to chuck around between games they should bring their own disc. Sorry if this sounds a bit harsh. It's been my attitude in the past that 'free' use of discs at tournies is part of the spirit but I've just lost too many indoors and I'm fed up with it. Paul Holden From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Jan 27 21:26:53 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id VAA16298 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 21:04:37 GMT Received: from stone.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (ralf@stone [137.205.224.4]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA16241 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 21:04:14 GMT Received: (from ralf@localhost) by stone.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA28917 for britdisc@csv; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 21:04:12 GMT From: Ralf Message-Id: <199801272104.VAA28917@stone.dcs.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: forward To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 21:04:11 +0000 (GMT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL35 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk ----- Forwarded message from owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk ----- >From postmaster@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Jan 26 19:52:19 1998 Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 19:52:21 GMT From: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Message-Id: <199801261952.TAA03160@pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk> To: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Subject: BOUNCE britdisc@warwick.ac.uk: Header field too long (>1024) ^^^ can people please restrict the number of recipients when mailing to ^^^ britdisc, as it then requires approval which can take some time! Ralf. Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 09:30:36 +0000 From: Aram Flores Organization: Lehman Brothers, Inc. Subject: Valentine's Day (nearly) Gun Savage 7 Shotgun Ultimate is Proud to Announce: **** Valentine's Gun Savage 7 **** Sunday February 15th at 10:00am On Wandsworth Common in London All the usual suspects are invited. I assume, as there is no Southeast Indoor Regionals, that there will be no significant conflicts. If there is, my advice is to skip the indoors. As before, Teams will be selected on the day. Aram, Shotgun Ultimate PS: Shotgun will also be training on Sunday, February 1st at 12:00 (noon) on Wandsworth Common. All the usual suspects are invited. ----- End of forwarded message from owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk ----- ____ ____ _ _ ____ .----------------------------------------. _\__ \ _\__ \ / \ / \\__/ | Ranulf Doswell | / \_/ /_ / \_/ \ / / / /___ | Department of Computer Science | \ __ \\ __ \\ \ _\ \\_/ |University of Warwick, COVENTRY, CV4 7AL| \ \ \ \\ \ \ \\ \__/ \\ \ | Phone: 01203 523 296 | \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \______/ \_/ `----------------------------------------' From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Jan 27 23:40:56 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id XAA06125 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 23:29:47 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.154]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA06113 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 23:29:43 GMT Received: from phidelta.demon.co.uk ([158.152.248.177]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa1021618; 27 Jan 98 23:17 GMT Message-ID: Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 21:09:44 +0000 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: Wayne Retter Subject: Re: Discs at Tournaments In-Reply-To: <0003F717.4199@meuk.mee.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Trial Version 3.04 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk With a few tournaments planned, I'll bite... Dear BUF (or any other seller of discs) - what's the cost of your discs (say, for 4) - what colours do they come in - what do they look like (are the graphics on a website somewhere?) - to who/where do I send my order and money - CAN YOU GET SOME TO ME BEFORE FRIDAY??? A brief reply copied to wayne_retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk would be much appreciated, so the Druids can try to manage this before the weekend... Regards Wayne Guy.Kennett@meuk.mee.com writes > TD's, (indoor and outdoor) how about supplying the discs for the > games at YOUR tournament that we all pay to play in? Get BUF to > supply you with discs at cost if that is the issue then... > 4 discs @ GBP6 = GBP24, Thats GBP1 extra cost per team -------------------------- Wayne Retter Wayne@phidelta.demon.co.uk http://www.phidelta.demon.co.uk/ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Jan 27 23:41:11 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id XAA06963 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 23:37:34 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.154]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA06930 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 23:37:25 GMT Received: from phidelta.demon.co.uk ([158.152.248.177]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa1021617; 27 Jan 98 23:18 GMT Message-ID: <$2HdlGAuAjz0EwEj@phidelta.demon.co.uk> Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 19:06:22 +0000 To: BritDisc , Fluid Druids , Cryogenica Playthings , Night Fever , Whiplash , Bliss/Pulp , Chineapple Punks , Shrub , OW! , First Touch , Mr Men , Hurricanes , WIB , Angels , Slow White , UTI , Blue Arse Flies Cc: Cryogenica Playthings , First Touch From: "Newport98 TD (Wayne Retter)" Subject: Newport: Schedule - Warning MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Trial Version 3.04 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk All look at http://www.phidelta.demon.co.uk/fluiddruids/newport98/ and follow the schedule link.... The Newport schedule has some typical indoor tournament features: - 16 teams on 1 pitch, and 20 minute timeslots means that there will be some LARGE gaps between your teams games Bring books, swimming kit, squash kit, money, guide books. The Newport Centre has quite a few facilities (pool, squash courts, gym, sauna, etc) for doing other things, and Newport apparently has some fascinating places to visit in your spare time. - Saturday last game is at *** 8.00pm *** (This is particularly important for teams seeded top 4!) Eating and drinking needs to have serious thought applied! - Throwing around time between games is, officially, non-existant. Some games may therefore start a few minutes EARLY after we catch up on any lost time. We half-expect Saturday to start very slightly late (THIS IS NOT AN EXCUSE FOR TEAMS TO BE LATER THAN 8.45am) so time between games will be minimised to catch up on this loss. We're also half-expecting an injury that will cause stoppage (anyone know someone planning to play with a fractured kneecap?) but we're holding out hope... - If everything goes roughly according to seeding, some teams will have an apparently antisocial schedule - 5 games on Saturday (including 1st and last!) and 2 on Sunday (midmorning and near the end!). - Teams will be PENALISED for being late to games. The penalties will be made clear in the captains meeting. NO games will be rescheduled for non-attendence of a team. - ALL TEAMS NEED TO BE AT THE CAPTAINS MEETING (planned 8.45am Saturday) when the 'seedings' and first games will be announced. Wayne Retter NEWPORT INDOORS 98 TD newport98@phidelta.demon.co.uk http://www.phidelta.demon.co.uk/fluiddruids/newport98/ hosted by: FLUID DRUIDS theultimatefrisbeeteam From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Jan 28 09:04:45 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id IAA28162 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 08:40:08 GMT Received: from gw-nl1.philips.com (gw-nl1.philips.com [192.68.44.33]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA28128 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 08:39:56 GMT Received: (from nobody@localhost) by gw-nl1.philips.com (8.6.10/8.6.10-0.994n-08Nov95) id JAA04696 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 09:39:42 +0100 Received: from smtprelay.nl.cis.philips.com(130.139.36.3) by gw-nl1.philips.com via smap (V1.3+ESMTP) with ESMTP id sma004160; Wed Jan 28 09:38:13 1998 Received: from mailgate.soton.sc.philips.com (mailgate.soton.sc.philips.com [130.141.89.1]) by smtprelay.nl.cis.philips.com (8.6.10/8.6.10-1.2.1m-970402) with ESMTP id JAA07329 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 09:38:10 +0100 Received: from mailhub.soton.sc.philips.com (mailhub [130.141.7.110]) by mailgate.soton.sc.philips.com (8.6.10/8.6.10-1.001a-24Jul96) with ESMTP id IAA26738 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 08:39:47 GMT Received: from krate.soton.sc.philips.com (unverified [130.141.7.10]) by mailhub.soton.sc.philips.com (Integralis SMTPRS 2.04) with ESMTP id ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 08:39:59 +0000 Received: from krate (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by krate.soton.sc.philips.com (8.6.10/8.6.10-1.001a-24Jul96) with SMTP id IAA11279 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 08:35:02 GMT Message-Id: <34CEEDB5.398A@soton.sc.philips.com> Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 08:35:01 +0000 From: Andrew Kayley Organization: Philips Semiconductors Ltd. (Southampton) X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (X11; I; HP-UX B.10.20 9000/829) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Re: Discs at Tournaments Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Again another victim of the magic disc fairy, my disc regularly dissapeared from my bag over last weekend however it wasn't too hard to find it, locate the game disc. Ahhh there it is. I don't find this much of a problem as I expect it after four years of "where's my disc??", the same is often true outdoors it is just a bit harder to find your disc again. Saying all this I did have to nick the disc in the middle of the 3rd/4th to get my disc so I could go home. I do support the idea of TD's supplying discs, it should eliminate the games with bent discs and the time wasted finding a disc. During the few tournaments I have organised, game discs have been supplied. They never last long, even with GAME DISC splattered all over them. There seems to be a necessity for teams to have the disc while they do their calls, leave it on pitch!! Make captains responsible for the discs and passing them on to the next team, all getting a bit anal I think. Just live with it, things ain't going to change , it is one of a long list of things at a tournament you can rely on; somebody complaining about the seeding, the showers aren't good enough, why is the bar not open(usually the MR MEN), what do you mean we can't throw knives at each other in the corridor. Well I have expelled my excess energy now for a day of geeky techy rubbish. Andy -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Andy Kayley, Software Development Centre, Tel: +44 (0)1703 316410 Philips Semiconductors, Fax: +44 (0)1703 316303 Southampton, SO15 0DJ, UK. email: andrew.kayley@soton.sc.philips.com seri : kayley@ukpsshp1 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Jan 28 10:06:41 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id JAA07389 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 09:39:59 GMT Received: from satsuma.mail.easynet.net (satsuma.mail.easynet.net [193.131.248.57]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA07365 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 09:39:55 GMT Received: (qmail 14164 invoked from network); 28 Jan 1998 09:38:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kiwi.mail.easynet.net) (193.131.248.4) by satsuma.mail.easynet.net with SMTP; 28 Jan 1998 09:38:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 8353 invoked from network); 28 Jan 1998 09:41:30 -0000 X-Envelope-To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Received: from unknown (HELO texcel.co.uk) (195.40.103.11) by kiwi.mail.easynet.net with SMTP; 28 Jan 1998 09:41:30 -0000 Received: from dreamer.demon.co.uk by texcel.co.uk (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA26837; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 09:39:18 GMT Message-ID: <34CEFCC5.6CF73651@dreamer.demon.co.uk> Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 09:39:17 +0000 From: Neil Travers Organization: Home(ish) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.5 sun4d) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: BritDisc Subject: Newport Karting Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id JAA07368 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk For those staying at Adam's karting center Friday night, the karting starts at 9:30pm. Format to be decided by the number of people but probably Grand Prix i.e. normal. Cost should be £15 per person. I believe Adam is intending to charge £10 per team staying over (cleaning costs). -- Neil Travers - home Fluid Druids, UK http://www.dreamer.demon.co.uk/ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Jan 28 16:39:51 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id PAA09959 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 15:47:28 GMT Received: from shrimp.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (ralf@shrimp [137.205.227.130]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA10036 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 12:47:05 GMT Received: (from ralf@localhost) by shrimp.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA00670 for britdisc@csv; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 12:47:04 GMT From: Ralf Message-Id: <199801281247.MAA00670@shrimp.dcs.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: forward To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 12:47:04 +0000 (GMT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL35 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk ----- Forwarded message from owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk ----- Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 09:30:36 +0000 From: Aram Flores Organization: Lehman Brothers, Inc. Subject: Valentine's Day (nearly) Gun Savage 7 Shotgun Ultimate is Proud to Announce: **** Valentine's Gun Savage 7 **** Sunday February 15th at 10:00am On Wandsworth Common in London All the usual suspects are invited. I assume, as there is no Southeast Indoor Regionals, that there will be no significant conflicts. If there is, my advice is to skip the indoors. As before, Teams will be selected on the day. Aram, Shotgun Ultimate PS: Shotgun will also be training on Sunday, February 1st at 12:00 (noon) on Wandsworth Common. All the usual suspects are invited. ----- End of forwarded message from owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk ----- ____ ____ _ _ ____ .----------------------------------------. _\__ \ _\__ \ / \ / \\__/ | Ranulf Doswell | / \_/ /_ / \_/ \ / / / /___ | Department of Computer Science | \ __ \\ __ \\ \ _\ \\_/ |University of Warwick, COVENTRY, CV4 7AL| \ \ \ \\ \ \ \\ \__/ \\ \ | Phone: 01203 523 296 | \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \______/ \_/ `----------------------------------------' From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Jan 28 17:11:46 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id QAA24649 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 16:51:15 GMT Received: from src.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (ralf@src [137.205.227.132]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA24615 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 16:51:11 GMT Received: (from ralf@localhost) by src.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA27558 for britdisc@csv; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 16:51:01 GMT From: Ralf Message-Id: <199801281651.QAA27558@src.dcs.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: forward To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 16:51:01 +0000 (GMT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL35 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk ----- Forwarded message from owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk ----- From: JimboMcD Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 14:32:42 EST To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Important change of CHAOS contact... Hi BritDiscers - can you all please change your address books, email software, backs of fag packets, whatever; the official contact for Middlesex University and CHAOS is (and has been for some time now, actually) Fiona Sawers (captain) 14a Station Road Cockfosters Herts EN4 0DL 0181 449 8109 es063@mdx.ac.uk (please note that's a zero not a letter 'oh' in the enail address; and also Fi says she has no WWW access or Britdisc mail so you'll have to email her direct if you need to get in touch.) Thanking Yew - Jim (Village and boy, do I know I am) ----- End of forwarded message from owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk ----- ____ ____ _ _ ____ .----------------------------------------. _\__ \ _\__ \ / \ / \\__/ | Ranulf Doswell | / \_/ /_ / \_/ \ / / / /___ | Department of Computer Science | \ __ \\ __ \\ \ _\ \\_/ |University of Warwick, COVENTRY, CV4 7AL| \ \ \ \\ \ \ \\ \__/ \\ \ | Phone: 01203 523 296 | \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \______/ \_/ `----------------------------------------' From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Jan 29 19:54:28 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id SAA05513 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 18:48:23 GMT Received: from smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk (smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk [193.114.232.134]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA04506 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 15:59:29 GMT From: Wayne_Retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk Received: from ccMail by smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk (IMA Internet Exchange 2.12 Enterprise) id 000232DA; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 16:03:33 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 16:00:03 +0000 Message-ID: <000232DA.4069@watsonwyatt.co.uk> Subject: Newport: Karting (2) To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Further to Neils comments on Karting, it should be noted that anybody that Adam suspects of having been drinking and unfit to drive will not be allowed to drive. Wayne ________________________________________________________________ Notice of Confidentiality This transmission is intended for the named addressee only. It contains information which may be confidential and which may also be privileged. Unless you are the named addressee (or authorised to receive it for the addressee) you may not copy or use it, or disclose it to anyone else. If you have received this transmission in error please contact: ~admin@watsonwyatt.co.uk or IT Manager: +44(0)1737 241144 Fax: +44(0)1737 241496 Watson Wyatt Partners is regulated by the Institute of Actuaries in the conduct of UK investment business. _________________________________________________________________ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Jan 29 20:15:34 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id TAA10891 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 19:24:21 GMT Received: from exeter.ac.uk (hermes.ex.ac.uk [144.173.6.14]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA01976 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 13:07:29 GMT Received: from mstl017 [144.173.9.217] by hermes via SMTP (NAA01272); Thu, 29 Jan 1998 13:07:21 GMT From: Sue Farley Reply-To: S.M.Farley@exeter.ac.uk To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: SOUTH WEST REGIONALS Message-ID: Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 13:10:18 +0000 (GMT) Read-Receipt-To: Sue Farley Disposition-Notification-To: Sue Farley X-Mailer: Simeon for Win32 Version 4.1.2 Build (29) X-Authentication: IMSP MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk To All We still have spaces left in the South West regional tournament to be held in Exeter. If you were unable to enter the Midlands we would love to see you in Exeter. The cost of the tournament is 50 pounds per team payable to Uriel Ultimate Frisbee Please contact Sue via e-mail or this weekend on 01252 546721, or from Sunday onwards on 01392 493127 ---------------------- Sue Farley University of Exeter From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Jan 30 16:02:25 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id OAA28912 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 14:43:38 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.154]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA28869 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 14:43:27 GMT Received: from keybase.demon.co.uk ([158.152.92.240]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa1006487; 30 Jan 98 14:40 GMT Received: from keybase.demon.co.uk by keybase.demon.co.uk (NTMail 3.02.10) with ESMTP id ga000552 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 14:21:00 +0000 Received: by keybase.demon.co.uk with Microsoft Mail id <01BAEBFA.5E85FA60@keybase.demon.co.uk>; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 14:27:06 -0000 Message-ID: <01BAEBFA.5E85FA60@keybase.demon.co.uk> From: Pete Hallett To: "'britdisc'" Subject: Newport pickups Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 14:26:06 -0000 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Due to some unusual circumstances (mostly injuries), Slow White and the Smelly Hordes (Bristol) needs one or two pick-up players for this weekend at the Newport Indoor tournament. Players should like fun. Hammer throwing skills are desirable, but not necessary. If you would like to pick-up with the team at Newport, please reply to either Pete or Laura asap! Peter Hallett peter@keybase.demon.co.uk (0117) 922 1342 Laura Lafave lafave@cs.bris.ac.uk (0117) 954 5213 Thanks, Slow White and the Injured Hordes -- ---------------------------------------------------------------- Dr Peter Hallett 50 Park Street Keybase Systems Bristol E-mail: peter@keybase.demon.co.uk BS1 5JN WWW: http://www.keybase.co.uk/ UK Tel : +44 (0)117 922 1342 Fax: +44 (0)117 922 5758 ---------------------------------------------------------------- From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Jan 30 16:03:23 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id OAA29097 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 14:44:53 GMT Received: from smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk (smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk [193.114.232.134]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA28382 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 11:51:35 GMT From: Wayne_Retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk Received: from ccMail by smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk (IMA Internet Exchange 2.12 Enterprise) id 00023699; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 11:51:38 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 11:46:00 +0000 Message-ID: <00023699.4069@watsonwyatt.co.uk> Subject: Newport: Contacting Wayne Retter To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk As of 12.00 NOON, I will only be contactable on my mobile phone: 0966-175173 Please try NOT to ring me when I'm in the dentist's chair (some time between 12.00 and 1.15, hopefully). Wayne PS1: Angels: GAVIN - I need to know what's going on! RING ME!!! PS2: Skunks: Sorry for getting your hopes up and then dashing them again. Thanks for the hard work and willingness. ________________________________________________________________ Notice of Confidentiality This transmission is intended for the named addressee only. It contains information which may be confidential and which may also be privileged. Unless you are the named addressee (or authorised to receive it for the addressee) you may not copy or use it, or disclose it to anyone else. If you have received this transmission in error please contact: ~admin@watsonwyatt.co.uk or IT Manager: +44(0)1737 241144 Fax: +44(0)1737 241496 Watson Wyatt Partners is regulated by the Institute of Actuaries in the conduct of UK investment business. _________________________________________________________________ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Jan 30 16:43:13 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id PAA10360 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 15:40:47 GMT Received: from dira.bris.ac.uk (dira.bris.ac.uk [137.222.10.41]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA10323 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 15:40:38 GMT Received: from siva.bris.ac.uk by dira with SMTP-LOCAL (PP); Fri, 30 Jan 1998 15:40:31 +0000 Received: by siva.bris.ac.uk (MX V4.2 AXP) id 67; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 15:47:19 GMT0 Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 15:47:18 GMT0 From: Pete Hallett To: BRITDISC@csv.warwick.ac.uk Message-ID: <009C111E.CF194E72.67@siva.bris.ac.uk> Subject: Newport - team needs pickups Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Due to some unusual circumstances (mostly injuries), Slow White and the Smelly Hordes (Bristol) needs one or two pick-up players for this weekend at the Newport Indoor tournement. Players should like fun. Hammer throwing skills are desirable but not essential. If you would like to pick-up with the team at Newport, please reply to either Pete or Laura asap! Peter Hallett peter@keybase.demon.co.uk (0117) 9221342 Laura Lafave lafave@cs.bris.ac.uk (0117) 9545213 or this evening you can try Andy Hallett (0802) 219384 - ask for Pete Thanks, Slow White and the Injured Hordes From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Feb 2 08:07:16 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id HAA07485 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 07:47:08 GMT Received: from gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (ralf@gem [137.205.227.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA07469 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 07:47:04 GMT Received: (from ralf@localhost) by gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id HAA11531 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 07:47:03 GMT Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 07:47:03 GMT From: Ranulf Doswell Message-Id: <199802020747.HAA11531@gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: BFDF Events Reminder Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk British Flying Disc Federation Disc Events Diary ------------------------------------------------ The events list can also be found at http://www.dcs.warwick.ac.uk/~ralf/bfdf/ ---------- Wednesday 4th February 1998 Scottish League (1 day) [Outdoor Ultimate] URL: http://www.ed.ac.uk/~ultimate/ Sunday 8th February 1998 GB Training (Women and Masters) (1 day) TBC [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 14th February 1998 Regional Indoors (2 days) [Indoor Ultimate] Contact Wayne Davey Email wmd4@student.open.ac.uk Phone 01225 462212 Wednesday 18th February 1998 Scottish League (1 day) [Outdoor Ultimate] URL: http://www.ed.ac.uk/~ultimate/ Saturday 21st February 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Whitcombe, Dorset [Golf] Student Indoor Finals (2 days) @ Manchester [Students' Indoor Ultimate] Contact Simon Weeks Email gga95sew@sheffield.ac.uk Phone 0114 222 9999 ext 52252 Saturday 28th February 1998 Scottish Indoor Regionals (2 days) [Indoor Ultimate] Contact James Spicer Email J.A.Spicer@sms.ed.ac.uk URL http://www.ed.ac.uk/~ultimate/ Warwick Indoors (2 days) [Indoor Ultimate] Contact Jim Ayrton Email stuly@csv.warwick.ac.uk URL http://www.csv.warwick.ac.uk/~suaaz/ Wednesday 4th March 1998 Scottish League (1 day) [Outdoor Ultimate] URL: http://www.ed.ac.uk/~ultimate/ Saturday 7th March 1998 "Spring into Action" 1998 (2 days) @ University of Warwick (TBC) [Women's Outdoor Ultimate] Cost: 45 GBP per team (incl. BUF tax), cheques payable to Sue Underwood. SAT- 11am for 11:30 start Finish approx 5.30pm SUN- 9.30/10 start Finish approx 3.00pm Contact Sue Underwood Sunday 8th March 1998 GB Training (Open, Women and Masters) (1 day) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 14th March 1998 National Indoors (2 days) [Indoor Ultimate] Contact Wayne Davey Email wmd4@student.open.ac.uk Phone 01225 462212 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Quarry Park, Warwickshire [Golf] Saturday 21st March 1998 (1 day) @ University of Sussex Sports Centre [Women's Indoor Ultimate] Cost: GBP40 per team Contact Kate Sygrove Address 110 Hythe Road Brighton East Sussex Email hcui1@central.susx.ac.uk Phone 01273 500234 Saturday 28th March 1998 Tour I (2 days) (Provisional) @ Leicester (TBC) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 4th April 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Ashton Court, Bristol [Golf] Dublin (2 days) TBC [Ultimate] Contact Gareth McFeely Email garreth.mcfeely@iveagh.irlgov.ie Sunday 12th April 1998 GB Training (Open, Women and Masters) (1 day) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 18th April 1998 Tour II (2 days) @ Swidon [Outdoor Ultimate] TD Layout Dreams Saturday 2nd May 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Scottish Open, Isle of Mull [Golf] Saturday 9th May 1998 Tour III (2 days) (Provisional) @ Birmingham [Outdoor Ultimate] TD Charlie Mead Thursday 21st May 1998 Rotterdam (4 days) [Outdoor Ultimate Abroad] Saturday 30th May 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) TBC @ Hayling Island, Southampton [Golf] Saturday 6th June 1998 Fiesta (2 days) TBC [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 13th June 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Quarry Park, Warwickshire [Golf] Saturday 20th June 1998 Tour IV (2 days) @ Southampton [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 4th July 1998 Tour V (2 days) (Provisional) [Outdoor Ultimate] Possible on the 11/7/98 Saturday 11th July 1998 Date reserved (2 days) Saturday 18th July 1998 Date reserved (2 days) BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Whitcombe, Dorset [Golf] Friday 14th August 1998 Worlds (10 days) [Outdoor Ultimate Abroad] Saturday 15th August 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Essex University [Golf] Saturday 29th August 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) TBC @ Perth or Edinburgh [Golf] Friday 11th September 1998 BUF Open (3 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 19th September 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Burnlaw, Horthumberland [Golf] Saturday 26th September 1998 Nationals 98 (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 24th October 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Whitcombe, Dorset [Golf Handicap] ---------------------------------------------------------- British Flying Disc Federation Disc Events Diary http://www.dcs.warwick.ac.uk/~ralf/bfdf/ Ranulf Doswell, ralf@dcs.warwick.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Feb 2 23:10:57 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id WAA05375 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 22:46:33 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA05359 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 22:46:29 GMT Received: from phidelta.demon.co.uk ([158.152.248.177]) by post.mail.demon.net id ac2024810; 2 Feb 98 22:40 GMT Message-ID: Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 21:27:11 +0000 To: BritDisc From: "Fluid Druids Ultimate Team (Wayne Retter)" Subject: Newport: Colin's UTI Message In-Reply-To: <0002363C.4069@watsonwyatt.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Trial Version 3.04 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk To: UTI cc: Fluid Druids Colin Wagstaff wrote: >Guys, > >We have The Bowles for Newport, that's six players ready to take the >title of The 1997 Welsh Open Indoor(s) (Sucks) Ultimate Cahampionships >from the grasp of the Druids. > >Let battle commence upon that field of dust at 0845 hours on the morning >of the Saturday 31st Januaury 1998. > >Be there or be late and face the consequences!!! Our congratulations to UTI, and "see you at Indoor Regionals", unless, of course, you'd rather play outdoors at the Savage Seven? druid@phidelta.demon.co.uk ................................................ : FLUID DRUIDS : : theultimatefrisbeeteam : : druid@dreamer.demon.co.uk : : http://www.dreamer.demon.co.uk/druids/ : :..............................................: From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Feb 2 23:12:12 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id XAA07287 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 23:02:19 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA07265 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 23:02:13 GMT Received: from phidelta.demon.co.uk ([158.152.248.177]) by post.mail.demon.net id ab2024809; 2 Feb 98 22:40 GMT Message-ID: Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 21:18:49 +0000 To: BritDisc , Fluid Druids , Cryogenica Playthings , Night Fever , Whiplash , Bliss/Pulp , Chineapple Punks , Shrub , OW! , First Touch , Mr Men , Hurricanes , WIB , Slow White , UTI , Blue Arse Flies Cc: Cryogenica Playthings , First Touch From: "Newport98 TD (Wayne Retter)" Subject: Newport: Lost Property MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Trial Version 3.04 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk This sort of email shouldn't have to happen, but here it is: Ventilin inhaler Hot Pink UltraStar - very faded/peeled standard "star" hotstamp; semi-circular "Head" bag, contains blue shorts; long-sleeved blue "Sharks" top; long-sleeved black shirt - elephant on red circle on front, "trust your animal instincts" on back; plain gray Tshirt, size:XLT/XGL; black "Blue Basics" sweatshirt, size 4?; black "Donnay" sweatshirt; purple polo shirt, size S; black "SBC Warburg" cap; long-sleeved gray "Skunks" top E-J's makeup bag Myles Kelvin's coat If you've lost it, email me with an address to send it to, or a name of someone I can hand it to at Midlands (and part SE) Regionals Wayne PS: It'll get binned/charity shopped in about a month! Wayne Retter NEWPORT INDOORS 98 TD newport98@phidelta.demon.co.uk http://www.phidelta.demon.co.uk/fluiddruids/newport98/ hosted by: FLUID DRUIDS theultimatefrisbeeteam From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Feb 2 23:12:16 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id WAA06496 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 22:55:44 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.154]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA06488 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 22:55:37 GMT Received: from phidelta.demon.co.uk ([158.152.248.177]) by post.mail.demon.net id ab1021844; 2 Feb 98 22:40 GMT Message-ID: Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 21:18:34 +0000 To: BritDisc , Fluid Druids , Cryogenica Playthings , Night Fever , Whiplash , Bliss/Pulp , Chineapple Punks , Shrub , OW! , First Touch , Mr Men , Hurricanes , WIB , Slow White , UTI , Blue Arse Flies Cc: Cryogenica Playthings , First Touch From: "Newport98 TD (Wayne Retter)" Subject: Newport: Results MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Trial Version 3.04 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk My thanks to the rest of the Fluid Druids for assisting me in yet another Newport Indoor tournament. My thanks to the rest of the participants for coming and well, participating, and not moaning too much about anything they had a problem with, and BritDisc for putting up with the amount of email that it got about the event. Results: 16 Hurricane 15 Women In Black 14 Whiplash 13 Bliss 12 Night Fever 11 Blue Arse Flies 10 Playthings PLATE 09 First Touch 08 Slow White and the Smelly Hordes 07 Shrub 06 OW! 05 Druids Old Gits 04 Chineapple Punks 03 Mr Men 02 Fluid Druids TROPHY 01 UTI Final M.V.P: UTI as a team SPIRIT Whiplash The above results, and all the individual game scorelines will get onto the tournament website at some point (soon, I hope), maybe with some WDL tables, etc, and maybe some Infera results for the games that never happened (in case people are interested)... Thanks to all Wayne PS: The "Grab-It" and "Face-It" Game Discs were supplied by Toby Green, though there are plenty of other people (BUF, Hurricane, Superfly...) out there with discs for sale at the moment. The concept of Game Discs seems to work quite well! Wayne Retter NEWPORT INDOORS 98 TD newport98@phidelta.demon.co.uk http://www.phidelta.demon.co.uk/fluiddruids/newport98/ hosted by: FLUID DRUIDS theultimatefrisbeeteam From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Feb 3 18:54:59 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id SAA02015 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 18:00:24 GMT Received: from clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@clover-fddi [137.205.4.2]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA01383 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 15:08:58 GMT Received: from mercury.ukc.ac.uk (mercury.ukc.ac.uk [129.12.21.10]) by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA08345 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 15:08:52 GMT Received: from crane.ukc.ac.uk by mercury.ukc.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Tue, 3 Feb 1998 15:08:37 +0000 Received: from pcdcp018.ukc.ac.uk by crane.ukc.ac.uk (SMI-8.6/UKC-2.14) id PAA24150; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 15:08:35 GMT From: rjdc1 Reply-To: rjdc1@ukc.ac.uk To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Marshal Artistry Message-ID: Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 15:08:35 +0000 (GMT) X-Mailer: Simeon for Win32 Version 4.1.2 Build (29) X-Authentication: none MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Stealthy changes are afoot in Canterbury. In true warrior spirit, the team formerly known as TOXIC is proud to announce its new name: Toxic Ninja Attack Contact address remains as: Ultimate Frisbee Club, Sports Federation, Sports Center, UKC, Canterbury, Kent, CT2. Contact names: Darren Butler : dkb1@ukc.ac.uk Jamie Crick : rjdc1@ukc.ac.uk : 01227 764406 A new line in ninja-wear (TM) will be showcased at the Student Finals in Manchester. Keep a sharp eye out, for they move in the shadows and strike like a cobra! Be warned... and keep zen. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Feb 4 09:55:50 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id JAA05352 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 09:08:52 GMT Received: from dryctnath.mmu.ac.uk (dryctnath.mmu.ac.uk [149.170.190.134]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA05317 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 09:08:38 GMT Received: from yorktown.mmu.ac.uk [149.170.132.252] by dryctnath.mmu.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #1) id 0y00pH-0005Tj-00; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 09:08:59 +0000 Received: from MMU-HOL-YORKTOWN/SpoolDir by yorktown.mmu.ac.uk (Mercury 1.31); 4 Feb 98 09:08:39 GMT Received: from SpoolDir by MMU-HOL-YORKTOWN (Mercury 1.31); 4 Feb 98 09:08:10 GMT From: "Lawrence PAULSON" Organization: Manchester Metropolitan University To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 09:08:05 +GMT Subject: Student I/D Finals X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <4B119720567@yorktown.mmu.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Dear All, Following a period of employment uncertainty, I can now say with certainty that e-mail sent to my address: L.Paulson@mmu.ac.uk WILL reach me, so if you have any queries regarding the Student Indoor Finals, then feel free to contact me this way. I also now have a work phone number, but unfortunately I can only receive incoming calls. It is: 0161 247 2605 All invited teams should have received invites by now. If you haven't, let me know urgently. Could people return the accommodation forms as soon as they can (thanks to Sorcerers and Jesters whose forms I've received already). See you soon, Love n Luck, Lawrence TD From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Feb 4 15:02:21 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id OAA03905 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 14:25:21 GMT Received: from mps2.leeds.ac.uk (mps2.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.16.22]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA03768 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 14:24:28 GMT Received: from south-02.novell.leeds.ac.uk (south-02.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.76.2]) by mps2.leeds.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA24378 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 14:24:26 GMT Received: from LUCS-H12/SpoolDir by south-02.novell.leeds.ac.uk (Mercury 1.31); 4 Feb 98 14:24:27 GMT0BST Received: from SpoolDir by LUCS-H12 (Mercury 1.31); 4 Feb 98 14:24:15 GMT0BST From: "Chewy" Organization: University of Leeds To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 14:23:47 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Northern Regional Results X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.54) Message-ID: <13AC1CAA0D99@south-02.novell.leeds.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk To All First of all just a little thankyou to everyone who helped out with the Northern regional indoors. I think everyone involved would agree that the standard of play was excelent and the turnout shows just how strong Ultimate in the north is. The final placings were as follows: 16= Jedi 3 15= Fish 2 14= Fingers 6 2 13= Northern lights 12= Jedi Force 11= Phat'eds 10= Superfly 9 = Fish 1 Spoon 8= Fingers 6 1 7= Jedi 1 6= Bradford 5= Mild Mannered Janitors Plate 4=Zebedee 3=Chevron 2 2=Chevron 1 1=Leeds Losers Cup Spirit went to Fish 2 although the variation in team nominations for spirit was really good to see. Party Award somehow ended up in the hands of Chevron, although most of the party votes were personal to Stu Mitchell not Chevron as a team. Well thanks to all teams for making the trek to Leeds and i hope you all enjoyed the tournament as much as the Jedi. John Chewins TD From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Feb 5 20:28:37 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id LAA25908 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 11:09:11 GMT Received: from ultra2.aber.ac.uk (patman@ultra2.aber.ac.uk [144.124.16.18]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA25870 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 11:09:00 GMT Received: from pccggb.ccu.aber.ac.uk (pccggb) [144.124.17.137] by ultra2.aber.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.80 #1) id 0y0P7g-0007l4-00; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 11:05:36 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980205110854.008f9710@pophost.aber.ac.uk> X-Sender: jag6@pophost.aber.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 11:08:54 +0000 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: JOHN ALEXANDER GARRETT Subject: Pookas Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Morning, Does anybody have an e-mail address for someone from the Pookas as the one I've got doesn't seem to work? Cheers Bisto (Mwnci See) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Feb 6 18:44:44 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id SAA07892 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 6 Feb 1998 18:22:17 GMT Received: from clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@clover-fddi [137.205.4.2]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA02356 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 1998 17:51:31 GMT Received: from amsta.leeds.ac.uk (amsta.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.1]) by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA04925 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 23:26:07 GMT Received: from newton.leeds.amsta (newton.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.64]) by amsta.leeds.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA13495 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 23:25:24 GMT Received: by newton.leeds.amsta (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id XAA15350; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 23:25:22 GMT Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 23:25:22 GMT From: amtsjh@amsta.leeds.ac.uk (S J Hill) Message-Id: <199802052325.XAA15350@newton.leeds.amsta> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: tour / calendar news X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi TOUR ---- Have had a few queries about slightly ambiguous bits of the tour rules - other than that - nothing. So I'm beginning to assume that nobody has any problems with the tour rules for 1998. In particular I presume that people are happy with 1. the new GUEST PLAYER addition to the roster rules 2. the idea that (if they score enough points) the top 2 unrostered teams will be able to play in Div.2 at Nationals. (I mention these because they strike me as the most contentious changes to last year's system.) PLUS***************************************************** If anyone is interested in helping to improve the medical situation at tournaments, (starting with the tour) I'd love to hear from them. Many things are more or less in place - it just needs someone to tie bits together and help to make it happen this summer. Please............ ********************************************************* CALENDAR -------- 1. TOUR V is now confirmed to be the 11/12 July (not the provisional date that was in the diary - sorry.) 2. Mostly for GB'ers really - altho' it may affect people planning tourneys: Harry promised that I would put the dates for May-Aug in the diary. I was waiting for definite confirmation on Tour V - which we now have. So please note the dates in the Events Reminder on Monday. Si amtsjh@amsta.leeds.ac.uk 0113 289 0971 From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Feb 6 19:06:54 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id SAA13646 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 6 Feb 1998 18:46:06 GMT Received: from sand.global.net.uk (sand.global.net.uk [194.126.82.9]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA29726 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 1998 15:30:35 GMT Received: from imzyausv (client85f3.globalnet.co.uk [194.126.85.243]) by sand.global.net.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA24405 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 1998 15:29:23 GMT Message-Id: <199802061529.PAA24405@sand.global.net.uk> From: "Debbie Mann" To: "brit disc" Subject: Fw: (Fwd) Viruses Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 15:27:20 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Dear All I recieved this e-mail about a really nasty virus thats out that will wipe your hard disk if opened. As asked by the orginator of this e-mail I'm forwarding this message to all of you. BEWARE ALL Richie (Druid Scum) dmann@globalnet.co.uk ---------- From: Tim Parker To: Chris Saunders (E-mail) ; Chas Green (E-mail) ; Debbie Mann (E-mail) ; Dom Rannie (E-mail) ; 'Emma & Jo's flat' (E-mail) ; Indy Samrai (E-mail) ; Jes Wilcox (E-mail) ; John Sharp (E-mail) ; Kelly Ferguson (E-mail) ; Kerry Tucker (E-mail) ; Kieron Devey (E-mail) ; Louise De Fraine (E-mail) ; Martin Woods (E-mail) ; Nat Godley (E-mail) ; Rebecca Marren (E-mail) ; Simon Green (E-mail) ; Stella Lellos (E-mail) ; Steve Martin (E-mail) ; WeekesBird (E-mail) Subject: FW: (Fwd) Viruses Date: 05 February 1998 17:08 Tim Parker Midas-Kapiti International Key West Windsor Road Slough Berks Tel: 01753 573244 Ext 240 E-Mail parkert1@midas-kapiti.com -----Original Message----- From: POULTON K. [SMTP:K.Poulton@swansea.ac.uk] Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 1998 2:20 PM To: Andrew Stephenson; Casswell, Andy; D.A. JONES; 'Darren_Gill@jba.co.uk'; Dee Cowie; 'frojen@scf.usc.edu'; 'fundaia@ozemail.com.au'; HANNAH RUTH MARTIN; HUSSAIN K.; Jill Davies; Kathryn Harris; Lee Meddlecott; Mike Curtis; 'mine@ibw.com.ni'; njohnson1@mmm.com; Novina Atmajda; 'sgronne.ex@swansea.ac.uk'; sheefa quddus; 'shibani@progresiv.com.au'; 'siti25f@hotmail.com'; Sumesh Bhagat; Tim Parker Subject: FW: (Fwd) Viruses > ---------- > From: Dr Michael Sullivan[SMTP:m.sullivan@swansea.ac.uk] > Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 1998 2:10 PM > To: staff > Subject: Fw: (Fwd) Viruses > > > > ---------- > From: DR R DRAKE > To: Dr Michael Sullivan > Subject: (Fwd) Viruses > Date: 27 January 1998 12:13 > > ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- > Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 09:20:46 +0000 > Subject: Viruses > From: Jenny Mitchell > To: disability-research@mailbase.ac.uk > Reply-to: disability-research@mailbase.ac.uk > > Please forgive the fact that this message is not related to disability > research. We got a message at BCODP this morning to warn us about > viruses, and we were told to pass it on to as many people as possible. > > VIRUS WARNING > If you receive an email titled "JOIN THE CREW' DO NOT open it. > It will erase everything on your hard drive. Forward this letter out > to > as many people as you can. > This is a new, very malicious virus and not many people know about it. > This information was announced yesterday morning from IBM-, please > share > it with everyone that might access the internet. Once again, pass > this > along to EVERYONE in your Address book so that this may be stopped. > Also, do not open or even look at any mall that says "RETURNED OR > UNABLE > TO DELIVERY" This virus will attach itself to your computer components > and render them useless. Immediately delete any mail items that say > this. AOL has said that this is a very dangerous virus > and that there is NO remedy for it at this time. Please practice > cautionary measures and > forward this to all= PF1 Alternate PFs PF2 File NOTE PF3 Keep PF4 > Erase > PFS Forward > Note PF6 Reply PF7 Resend PF8 Print PF9 Help PFIO Next PF11 Previous > PFI2 Return > > Jenny Mitchell, Information Officer. > -- > Jenny Mitchell > ---------- From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Feb 6 19:11:23 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id TAA17800 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 6 Feb 1998 19:04:26 GMT Received: from smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk (smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk [193.114.232.134]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA19625 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 1998 14:27:01 GMT From: Wayne_Retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk Received: from ccMail by smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk (IMA Internet Exchange 2.12 Enterprise) id 000252ED; Fri, 6 Feb 1998 14:27:13 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 14:21:54 +0000 Message-ID: <000252ED.4069@watsonwyatt.co.uk> Subject: Mids Indoor Regionals - Provisional Seedings To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk, chughes@chelt.ac.uk, merrick.cardew@g4tech.co.uk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Here are our first thoughts on the PROVISIONAL SEEDINGS for Midlands Regionals. They are by no means certain or definate. If anybody has any serious constructive comments to make (Si Weeks? Student TDs? Bristol TDs, Team Contacts?) please contact Chris or Wayne NOW (Chris is trying to get the schedule finalised this weekend!) with a brief comment and reason. 01 Fluid Druids 02 UTI 03 Chineapple Punks 04 Red I 05 Blue Arse Flies 06 Strange Blue 07 Village People 08 Angels 09 Watershed 10 Lurkers 11 Bears I 12 Phat 'Eds 13 Whiplash 14 Red II 15 Bears II 16 Slipped Disc I 17 Chaos 18 Snatch 19 Bears III 20 Slipped Disc II Wayne Retter wayne_retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk 01737-273611 (w) 01737-242109 (h) 0966-175173 (m) Chris Hughes 01452-859210 (h) ________________________________________________________________ Notice of Confidentiality This transmission is intended for the named addressee only. It contains information which may be confidential and which may also be privileged. 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If you have received this transmission in error please contact: ~admin@watsonwyatt.co.uk or IT Manager: +44(0)1737 241144 Fax: +44(0)1737 241496 Watson Wyatt Partners is regulated by the Institute of Actuaries in the conduct of UK investment business. _________________________________________________________________ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sun Feb 8 23:12:40 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id WAA11258 for britdisc-outgoing; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 22:55:50 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA11252 for ; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 22:55:46 GMT Received: from phidelta.demon.co.uk ([158.152.248.177]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa2006322; 8 Feb 98 22:45 GMT Message-ID: Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 21:47:00 +0000 To: BritDisc Cc: Chris Hughes , Merrick Cardew , Lurkers Steve From: National Indoors TD Reply-To: Midlands/National Indoors TD Subject: Midlands Indoors - Seedings + First Games MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Trial Version 3.04 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Chris has 'phoned me to say the following: Pool A Pool B Pool C Pool D 1.Fluid Druids 2.UTI 3.Chineapple Punks 4.Red I 7.Village People 8.Angels 5.Blue Arse Flies 6.Strange Blue 12.Phat 'Eds 11.Bears I 10.Watershed 9.Lurkers 14.Red II 13.Whiplash 16.Slipped Disc 15.Bears II 19.Slipped Disc II 20.Bears III 17.Chaos 18.Snatch Pools A and D: captain's meeting by 11.45am, games start at 12.20pm Pools B and C: captain's meeting at 08.45am, games start at 09.00pm Please pass this on to your teammates, and DON'T BE LATE!!! Any questions - **call** Chris! Wayne -- indoors98@phidelta.demon.co.uk Layout Dreams Midlands Regional Indoors TD National Indoors TD From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sun Feb 8 23:12:52 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id WAA10544 for britdisc-outgoing; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 22:46:38 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA10538 for ; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 22:46:36 GMT Received: from phidelta.demon.co.uk ([158.152.248.177]) by post.mail.demon.net id ab2006323; 8 Feb 98 22:45 GMT Message-ID: Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 16:04:14 +0000 To: BritDisc Cc: Chris Hughes From: National Indoors TD Reply-To: Midlands/National Indoors TD Subject: Midlands Indoor Regionals MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Trial Version 3.04 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk The information letter that Chris posted to the team contacts is now on the tournament website under the 'Information Pack' link. Chris has also sent out a copy of the official 'Cheltenham Spa' guide to the team contacts - it contains some useful info on accomodation, restaurants, etc. My apologies for the links to the official Cheltenham Spa website not working - something is wrong at their end... Wayne PS: Chris is now emailable daytimes (if he makes it to his office!) chughes@chelt.ac.uk tournament website http://www.phidelta.demon.co.uk/nati98/ -- indoors98@phidelta.demon.co.uk Layout Dreams Midlands Regional Indoors TD National Indoors TD From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Feb 9 08:12:48 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id HAA11687 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 07:47:04 GMT Received: from gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (ralf@gem [137.205.227.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA11682 for ; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 07:47:03 GMT Received: (from ralf@localhost) by gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id HAA08695 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 07:47:02 GMT Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 07:47:02 GMT From: Ranulf Doswell Message-Id: <199802090747.HAA08695@gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: BFDF Events Reminder Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk British Flying Disc Federation Disc Events Diary ------------------------------------------------ The events list can also be found at http://www.dcs.warwick.ac.uk/~ralf/bfdf/ ---------- Saturday 14th February 1998 Regional Indoors (2 days) [Indoor Ultimate] Contact Wayne Davey Email wmd4@student.open.ac.uk Phone 01225 462212 Wednesday 18th February 1998 Scottish League (1 day) [Outdoor Ultimate] URL: http://www.ed.ac.uk/~ultimate/ Saturday 21st February 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Whitcombe, Dorset [Golf] Student Indoor Finals (2 days) @ Manchester [Students' Indoor Ultimate] Contact Simon Weeks Email gga95sew@sheffield.ac.uk Phone 0114 222 9999 ext 52252 Saturday 28th February 1998 Scottish Indoor Regionals (2 days) [Indoor Ultimate] Contact James Spicer Email J.A.Spicer@sms.ed.ac.uk URL http://www.ed.ac.uk/~ultimate/ Warwick Indoors (2 days) TBC [Indoor Ultimate] Postponed, due to booking clash Contact Jim Ayrton Email stuly@csv.warwick.ac.uk URL http://www.csv.warwick.ac.uk/~suaaz/ Wednesday 4th March 1998 Scottish League (1 day) [Outdoor Ultimate] URL: http://www.ed.ac.uk/~ultimate/ Saturday 7th March 1998 "Spring into Action" 1998 (2 days) @ University of Warwick (TBC) [Women's Outdoor Ultimate] Cost: 45 GBP per team (incl. BUF tax), cheques payable to Sue Underwood. SAT- 11am for 11:30 start Finish approx 5.30pm SUN- 9.30/10 start Finish approx 3.00pm Contact Sue Underwood Sunday 8th March 1998 GB Training (Open, Women and Masters) (1 day) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 14th March 1998 National Indoors (2 days) [Indoor Ultimate] Contact Wayne Davey Email wmd4@student.open.ac.uk Phone 01225 462212 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Quarry Park, Warwickshire [Golf] Saturday 21st March 1998 (1 day) @ University of Sussex Sports Centre [Women's Indoor Ultimate] Cost: GBP40 per team Contact Kate Sygrove Address 110 Hythe Road Brighton East Sussex Email hcui1@central.susx.ac.uk Phone 01273 500234 Saturday 28th March 1998 Tour I (2 days) (Provisional) @ Leicester (TBC) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 4th April 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Ashton Court, Bristol [Golf] Dublin (2 days) TBC [Ultimate] Contact Gareth McFeely Email garreth.mcfeely@iveagh.irlgov.ie Sunday 12th April 1998 GB Training (Open, Women and Masters) (1 day) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 18th April 1998 Tour II (2 days) @ Swidon [Outdoor Ultimate] TD Layout Dreams Saturday 2nd May 1998 GB Training (Open and Women) (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Scottish Open, Isle of Mull [Golf] Saturday 9th May 1998 Tour III (2 days) (Provisional) @ Birmingham [Outdoor Ultimate] TD Charlie Mead Thursday 21st May 1998 Rotterdam (4 days) [Outdoor Ultimate Abroad] Saturday 30th May 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) TBC @ Hayling Island, Southampton [Golf] Saturday 6th June 1998 Fiesta (2 days) TBC [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 13th June 1998 GB Training (Open and Women) (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Quarry Park, Warwickshire [Golf] Saturday 20th June 1998 Tour IV (2 days) @ Southampton [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 4th July 1998 GB Training (Open and Women) (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 11th July 1998 Tour V (2 days) (Provisional) [Outdoor Ultimate] Date reserved (2 days) Saturday 18th July 1998 Date reserved (2 days) BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Whitcombe, Dorset [Golf] Saturday 25th July 1998 GB Training (Open and Women) (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 8th August 1998 GB Training (Open and Women) (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Friday 14th August 1998 Worlds (10 days) [Outdoor Ultimate Abroad] Saturday 15th August 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Essex University [Golf] Saturday 29th August 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) TBC @ Perth or Edinburgh [Golf] Friday 11th September 1998 BUF Open (3 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 19th September 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Burnlaw, Horthumberland [Golf] Saturday 26th September 1998 Nationals 98 (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 24th October 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Whitcombe, Dorset [Golf Handicap] ---------------------------------------------------------- British Flying Disc Federation Disc Events Diary http://www.dcs.warwick.ac.uk/~ralf/bfdf/ Ranulf Doswell, ralf@dcs.warwick.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Feb 9 09:59:26 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id JAA20924 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 09:28:27 GMT Received: from dryctnath.mmu.ac.uk (dryctnath.mmu.ac.uk [149.170.190.134]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA20894 for ; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 09:28:23 GMT Received: from yorktown.mmu.ac.uk [149.170.132.252] by dryctnath.mmu.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #1) id 0y1pWB-00068X-00; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 09:28:47 +0000 Received: from MMU-HOL-YORKTOWN/SpoolDir by yorktown.mmu.ac.uk (Mercury 1.31); 9 Feb 98 09:28:28 GMT Received: from SpoolDir by MMU-HOL-YORKTOWN (Mercury 1.31); 9 Feb 98 09:28:14 GMT From: "Lawrence PAULSON" Organization: Manchester Metropolitan University To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 09:28:05 +GMT Subject: Re: Mids Indoor Regionals - Provisional Seedings X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <52972D21B7D@yorktown.mmu.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Just a query on a point of order... Wayne Retter wrote: > Here are our first thoughts on the PROVISIONAL SEEDINGS for Midlands Regionals. > ... > 09 Watershed > 10 Lurkers > 11 Bears I > 12 Phat 'Eds > ... Phat'Eds recently played in the Northern Regionals. Can they play in both? Can anybody? I don't want anyone to think I'm objecting, I'm just curious. Love & Luck, Lawrence Fingers 6 From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Feb 9 13:32:13 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id MAA25617 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 12:31:38 GMT Received: from spock.tinet.ie (spock.tinet.ie [159.134.237.8]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA25112 for ; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 12:29:04 GMT Received: from sepro.ie (p33-as1.dubexs.tinet.ie [159.134.224.33]) by spock.tinet.ie (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA13710 for ; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 12:27:40 GMT Received: by SEPRO_PETERB with Microsoft Mail id <01BD353F.E0F81B50@SEPRO_PETERB>; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 09:48:30 -0000 Message-ID: <01BD353F.E0F81B50@SEPRO_PETERB> From: Peter Bennison To: "Britdisc (E-mail)" Subject: Pookas mail address Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 09:48:29 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id MAA25145 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hey ho, Sorry to broadcast this to anyone, but our MS Outlook rule program strips off the original sender's e-mail address. Anyways, to Bisto (Mwnci See), the Pookas e-mail address is pbennison@sepro.ie Peter Pookas - Dublin Ultimate From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Feb 9 17:53:45 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id RAA25660 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 17:36:31 GMT Received: from wfdutilgw.ml.com (wfdutilf01.ml.com [206.3.74.31]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA25628 for ; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 17:36:21 GMT Received: from ml1.ml.com ([199.201.57.130]) by wfdutilgw.ml.com (8.8.7/8.8.7/MLgwo-3.05) with ESMTP id MAA06469; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 12:33:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from mleu1.uk.ml.com (mleu1.euro.ml.com [131.208.157.89]) by ml1.ml.com (8.8.7/8.8.7/MLml4-2.08) with ESMTP id MAA09539; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 12:35:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from filon.filon.ml.com (filon.filon.ml.com [131.208.235.43]) by mleu1.uk.ml.com (8.7.3/8.7.3/MLdomain-2.02) with SMTP id RAA04358; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 17:35:27 GMT Received: from arkroyal.filon.ml.com by filon.filon.ml.com (4.1/ML41S-1.03) id AA09449; Mon, 9 Feb 98 17:35:27 GMT Message-Id: <34DF3E5E.FF6D5DF@ml.com> Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 17:35:26 +0000 From: Andy Pardoe Organization: European Dept Technology, Merrill Lynch X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (X11; I; SunOS 4.1.3_U1 sun4m) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Debbie Mann Cc: brit disc Subject: Re: Fw: (Fwd) Viruses References: <199802061529.PAA24405@sand.global.net.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Debbie Mann wrote: > > Dear All > > I recieved this e-mail about a really nasty virus thats out that will wipe > your hard disk if opened. As asked by the orginator of this e-mail I'm > forwarding this message to all of you. BEWARE ALL > > Richie (Druid Scum) > dmann@globalnet.co.uk > > ---------- Hi All, As a point of information, the reported virus is fictitious, the email is a hoax, a form of chain letter. Any text based email is safe, the only potential risk is when you open attachments (Word documents/Excel spreadsheets or exe/com files) which have been attached to the email. The best advise is NOT to open attachments from unknown sources. For those of you that are technically aware, sorry for stating the obvious! Rgds and happy surf'in Andy -- Dr Andy C Pardoe, Tel: +44(0)171 573 1745 Systems Consultant, Fax: +44(0)171 867 4159 European Debt Technology, Pager: +44(0)181 840 7000 Merrill Lynch Europe, Ropemaker Place, Pager No: 01893 586797 25 Ropemaker Street, London EC2Y 9LY. Email: pardoand@ml.com From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Feb 11 16:52:14 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id PAA11538 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 15:42:22 GMT Received: from vulcan.le.ac.uk (vulcan.le.ac.uk [143.210.16.124]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA11483 for ; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 15:42:10 GMT Received: from harrier.le.ac.uk by vulcan.le.ac.uk with SMTP (local); Wed, 11 Feb 1998 15:40:05 +0000 From: "B. Ravilious" Message-Id: <18043.199802111539@harrier.le.ac.uk> Subject: Dublin Tournament To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk (britdisc) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 15:39:19 +0000 (GMT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Can someone give me a working email address for Pookas (Dublin Ultimate) as the address in their invite does not work. Simon Cocking? Connor Lawlor? Thanks Ben Ravilious RED Leicester From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Feb 12 10:50:45 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id KAA07816 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 10:21:10 GMT Received: from mail.infotel.it (jedi.infotel.it [194.184.48.7]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA07719 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 10:20:35 GMT Message-ID: <34E2CD75.59E2@gandalf.ciam.unibo.it> Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 11:22:45 +0100 From: Jumpi X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (X11; I; AIX 2) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Village People Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi all, i'm Jumpi from Cota Rica, Rimini, Italy. I urgently need to get in touch with anyone of Village People. I already sent an e-mail to: 100422.1474@compuserve.com and paul@ultimatum.demon.co.uk but i did not get any answer. Can anybody help me? Thank you in advance, Ciao! Jumpi -- Gian Pietro (Jumpi, Jumpy, Giampi) Miscione Via delle Belle Arti,20 40126 BOLOGNA - ITALY ...and in the end, the love you take is equal to the love you make. (LennonMcCartney) PAGANELLO 1998 home page at: http://www.cotarica.it/paganello98/home.htm From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Feb 12 10:52:14 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id KAA07497 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 10:19:02 GMT Received: from out4.ibm.net (out4.ibm.net [165.87.194.239]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA07438 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 10:18:41 GMT Received: from crmqtsve (slip139-92-22-121.por.uk.ibm.net [139.92.22.121]) by out4.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA60132 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 09:18:22 GMT Message-Id: <199802120918.JAA60132@out4.ibm.net> From: "Toby Green" To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 09:29:14 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Whitcombe Frostbreaker Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi y'all, Ok, so there's no frost to break but that doesn't stop you getting out your golf discs and heading down to Whitcombe on Feb 21 and 22 to check out the snowdrops and crocuses (croci?). There's still space in the summer house for those who ask first, (Sam's got the double room, oo, er!). Let me know if you're coming. See you there, Toby Now, which disc did I use as my driver . . . and what was that putting hint Derek gave me at Burnlaw? Toby Green 74 Old High Street Headington Oxford OX3 9HW Tel: +44 1865 769789 Fax: +44 1865 437714 toby.green@ibm.net From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Feb 12 12:39:25 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id MAA07924 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 12:06:57 GMT Received: from smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk (smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk [193.114.232.134]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA07906 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 12:06:51 GMT From: Wayne_Retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk Received: from ccMail by smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk (IMA Internet Exchange 2.12 Enterprise) id 000267D2; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 12:11:25 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 12:05:14 +0000 Message-ID: <000267D2.4069@watsonwyatt.co.uk> Subject: Midlands Regionals: Directions To: chughes@chelt.ac.uk, "Simon Weeks" , britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk, ecd97js@sheffield.ac.uk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk It would appear that Chris has had a postage problem with the information packs... they may well be waiting for you at a local post office, due to the underpayment of postage monies... In the meantime http://www.phidelta.demon.co.uk/nati98/ and follow the link to the Midlands Indoors 'Information Pack' for text directions, and downloading 2 files which are left and right sides of an A3 map... Wayne ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: This weekend Author: "Simon Weeks" at ~Internet Date: 12/02/98 11:56 Phat 'eds have no directions to get to the tournament at the weekend. Could you send some directions to Jesper (ecd97js@sheffield.ac.uk) I am going down to Egham tonight and will travel to Cheltenham from there Saturday morning. So I would appreciate some details about getting from the station, unless anyone happens to be going through Egham Saturday morning (Wayne?). Cheers, Si. ________________________________________________________________ Notice of Confidentiality This transmission is intended for the named addressee only. It contains information which may be confidential and which may also be privileged. Unless you are the named addressee (or authorised to receive it for the addressee) you may not copy or use it, or disclose it to anyone else. If you have received this transmission in error please contact: ~admin@watsonwyatt.co.uk or IT Manager: +44(0)1737 241144 Fax: +44(0)1737 241496 Watson Wyatt Partners is regulated by the Institute of Actuaries in the conduct of UK investment business. _________________________________________________________________ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Feb 12 14:33:55 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id OAA26704 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 14:10:40 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.154]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA26674 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 14:10:29 GMT Received: from ultimatum.demon.co.uk ([158.152.203.174]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa1007696; 12 Feb 98 13:13 GMT Subject: Re: Village People (Paganello) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 98 13:19:32 +0000 x-sender: ultimatum@pop3.demon.co.uk x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: Paul Hurt To: BritDisc Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Message-ID: <887289236.107696.0@ultimatum.demon.co.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk >Hi all, > >i'm Jumpi from Cota Rica, Rimini, Italy. > >I urgently need to get in touch with anyone of Village People. > >I already sent an e-mail to: 100422.1474@compuserve.com and >paul@ultimatum.demon.co.uk > >but i did not get any answer. > >Can anybody help me? > >Thank you in advance, > >Ciao! > >Jumpi Hello all Just to say, this has been dealt with. First we were going to Paganello, then we weren't (couldn't get in), now we are again! I'll be ringing 'round everyone who expressed an interest in going with Village (if I can remember who you all were) to see if you're still up for it, or if you've made other arrangements. If you are one of those people, you could drop me an e-mail now of course, which would help. Anyone else interested in playing in Italy with Village? We might yet have space... Sorry to bother you all. Thanks Paul P.S. I *am* working on Ultimatum. Honest. It's nearly there. But can I get it printed in time for the weekend? Er, no, it doesn't look like it. Bugger. Sorry, I know it's not good enough, but you wouldn't believe how time-consuming the bloody thing is. Thanks for your patience. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Hurt Editor, Ultimatum Magazine, London, England editor@ultimatum.demon.co.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Feb 12 17:12:23 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id PAA17788 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 15:58:39 GMT Received: from mailhost.dircon.co.uk (mailhost.dircon.co.uk [194.112.32.10]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA17710 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 15:58:06 GMT Received: from 194.112.54.193 (th-eng03-193.pool.dircon.co.uk [194.112.54.193]) by mailhost.dircon.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.7) with SMTP id PAA15819 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 15:57:49 GMT Message-ID: <34E31C5E.37D8@class-a.co.uk> Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 15:59:26 +0000 From: Ollie Reply-To: ollie@class-a.co.uk Organization: Class A Productions X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Sammy? Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------64A8415516BE" Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------64A8415516BE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey guys, Look what I just found in the Ministry of Sound Club Magazine. What do you reckon, Sammy in closed season training? Or just the Stan boys getting some rare nocturnal entertainment in? P.S. 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RAA29492 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 17:00:03 GMT From: Wayne_Retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk Received: from ccMail by smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk (IMA Internet Exchange 2.12 Enterprise) id 00026A1E; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 17:01:55 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 16:56:13 +0000 Message-ID: <00026A1E.4069@watsonwyatt.co.uk> Subject: Re[2]: Midlands Regionals: Directions To: Andrew Kayley , britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Tonight, after I get home! so most of you will get to read them on Friday! Wayne wayne_retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk indoors98@phidelta.demon.co.uk ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Midlands Regionals: Directions Author: Andrew Kayley at ~Internet Date: 12/02/98 16:04 Any chance you could post the text directions for those who don't have web access?? ________________________________________________________________ Notice of Confidentiality This transmission is intended for the named addressee only. It contains information which may be confidential and which may also be privileged. Unless you are the named addressee (or authorised to receive it for the addressee) you may not copy or use it, or disclose it to anyone else. 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Reply-to: 64026159@mmu.ac.uk X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.53/R1) Message-ID: <542DB136721@turing.ayt.stu.mmu.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk yeah...whatever.... From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Feb 12 20:20:41 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id TAA00374 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 19:50:59 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.154]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA00352 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 19:50:51 GMT Received: from phidelta.demon.co.uk ([158.152.248.177]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa1025780; 12 Feb 98 18:53 GMT Message-ID: Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 18:48:25 +0000 To: BritDisc Cc: Chris Hughes , Wayne Retter , Lurkers Steve , Lurkers Steve From: National Indoors TD Reply-To: Midlands/National Indoors TD Subject: Midlands Regionals: Directions and Info MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Mailer: Turnpike Trial Version 3.04 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Information Pack Here's the letter that Chris has recently sent out to the team contacts, along with two photocopied maps and an official Cheltenham guide that contains all sorts of useful information. The information contained in the guide can probably also be found on the Cheltenham Spa website, accessable via the links on this site. I'm afraid that you'll have to get to the website http://www.phidelta.de mon.co.uk/nati98/ for the maps... Chris Hughes 23 Vervain Close Churchdown Gloucester GL3 1LT Tel: 01452-859210 (H) 01242-543299(W) Email: indoors98@phidelta.demon.co.uk chughes@chelt.ac.uk 5 February 1998 Hello Ultimate people, Ok., here is all the information that you need for the tournament on the 14th and 15th of February. The two sites are Cheltenham and Gloucester College of Higher Education, Hardwick Campus sports hall (Hall 1), and Pate's Grammar School (Hall 2). At this stage, there are complications in the schedule due to teams moving between regions, however I am hoping to organise the schedule so that teams will only play in the morning or afternoon on Saturday. Unfortunately this is going to be awkward if bizarre numbers of teams turn up. So this is the info so far; games will start at 9:00 on Saturday, with a captain's meeting at 8:45 in hall 1, the college sports hall. If you do not hear from us otherwise, assume all teams have to be here for then. I will attempt to contact you prior to the tournament to confirm this or else give you new information. If you have not heard from me by Wednesday night, ring or email myself or Wayne and we can update you. I recommend the following routes; (BEWARE SPEED CAMS!) North (Birmingham'ish): Come down the M5, to J10, and turn towards Cheltenham on the A4019. Go past Sainsburys, past the TVR and BMW garages, and then turn left at the roundabout, onto Kingsditch Lane. Turn right at the mini-roundabout on to Swindon Road. Over the railway, be careful of the narrow bridge. Follow the road left at the next mini- roundabout. Past The Railway pub, and turn left at the next mini- roundabout onto St Paul's Road. You need to turn immediately left into Hardwick Campus. If you reach the railway bridge you have gone too far. London / South: The fastes route now is not the M40 / A40, but instead along the M4 to J19 and the A419 at Swindon to Cirencester, follow that road straight onto the A417 (both brand new roads with no speed cams.). Stay on the A417 to J11A of the M5 and get on to go one junction north to J11 (A40). Then follow the next set of directions. South-West (Bristol'ish): Up the M5 to J11 and onto the A40 towards Cheltenham. Straight over the first roundabout, past GCHQ, and turn left at the next roundabout, onto Princess Elizabeth Way, the A4013. Go straight across the square roundabout, i.e. opposite corner, back onto Princess Elizabeth Way. Go past Pate's Grammar School , Hall 2, and carry on until the roundabout by the Rover Garage. Straight across onto Kingsditch Lane. Turn right at the mini-roundabout on to Swindon Road. Over the railway, be careful of the narrow bridge. Follow the road left at the next mini-roundabout. Past The Railway pub, and turn left at the next mini-roundabout onto St Paul's Road. You need to turn immediately left into Hardwick Campus. If you reach the railway bridge you have gone too far. A40 East (Oxford'ish): Follow the A40 all the way through Cheltenham towards the M5, and eventually you will come to Lansddown Road, The Junction has a Petrol Station in the middle of the road in a roundabout. Carry along Lansdown Road until it become a single lane over a bridge. Turn right immediately after at the traffic lights, by the Lotus garage, onto Gloucester Road, the B4633. Past the Railway station, over the mini-roundabout. Past a number of traffic lights, past JJB Sports and tesco's. At the next set of lights, outside lane and straight on into Townsend St. (one way). Turn left at the end onto Swindon Road, and then immediately turn rightat the mini-roundabout onto St Paul's Road. The sportshall is in Hardwick Campus, immediately on the left. Accomodation, is limited in terms of floor space, however I recommend the Hunters Lodge, at Cheltenham Racecourse (p35 of guide), rooms for 2 to 5 at 25 to 50, including TV and full English breakfast, although you are more than welcome to try elsewhere. I would recommend booking if interested (for the cocky amoungst you - do not try and book for nationals: it is the Cheltenham festival the day after, and they are already full) If you are struggling for accomodation ring Cheltenham tourist info, and they can help. There are, at this stage at least 7 qualifying places for Nationals (14th/15th March) from the midlands region, although this will be confirmed on the day. In an effort to minimise the captains meeting, here are the tournament rules and information; - Games are either 18 minutes, first to 13 points, or else 23 minutes, first to 15 points. There are no timeouts. - Draws are allowed in pool games. In case of tied teams in the pools, teams will be seperated by overall points difference, overall points scored, then points difference between the tied teams, and then points scored between the tied teams. Head-to-head results are not taken into account. - Draws are not allowed in playoff games. If games are tied at end of time, the hooter will not sound, and the game will continue, without a check until there is a winner. - Please vacate the pitches immediately after your game and cheer off the pitch. - Please will players not throw around anywhere other than on the pitch or outside. Not in corridors or other rooms. - Teams should have enough time to move between the sports halls. Games will only be rescheduled if the sportshalls get out of sync. - Please place all your rubbish in the bins provided, and have consideration for other users of the site at all times. - At Hardwck Sports Hall; beware of security in your cars, there have been a number of break-ins recently, secure your car and valubles, and please be aware of other peoples cars as well as your own. This should provide all the information you need at the moment, If you have any questions or problems please contact us ASAP, particularly with reference to starting times. Thanks, Chris Wayne -- indoors98@phidelta.demon.co.uk Layout Dreams Midlands Regional Indoors TD National Indoors TD http://www.phidelta.demon.co.uk/nati98/ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Feb 13 10:11:47 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id JAA14083 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 09:46:57 GMT Received: from dryctnath.mmu.ac.uk (dryctnath.mmu.ac.uk [149.170.190.134]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA13905 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 09:45:43 GMT Received: from yorktown.mmu.ac.uk [149.170.132.252] by dryctnath.mmu.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #1) id 0y3Hgj-0000m9-00; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 09:45:41 +0000 Received: from MMU-HOL-YORKTOWN/SpoolDir by yorktown.mmu.ac.uk (Mercury 1.31); 13 Feb 98 09:45:52 GMT Received: from SpoolDir by MMU-HOL-YORKTOWN (Mercury 1.31); 13 Feb 98 09:45:38 GMT From: "Lawrence PAULSON" Organization: Manchester Metropolitan University To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 09:45:30 +GMT Subject: Student Indoors X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <589C01D3E03@yorktown.mmu.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Sorry to those to whom this is irrelevant... Student Indoor Finals @ Manchester As the deadline for returning accommodation forms was yesterday (Thurs) and I've only received replies from 10 clubs (out of 18) I thought I'd put out a general enquiry as to why replies haven't come back. There was a rumour going round where I live that some mail had been stolen from some people's mailboxes. As I have had a steady trickle of replies over the last week and a half, I don't think this applies to me, but could everyone check the list below and if you're name is missing and it shouldn't be then please let me know urgently. Replies Received from (* = fees paid) (as of 12/2/98) Far Flung * Sorcerers Bears (Jim- not got a cheque from the Union yet) Mwnci See * Jesters Phat Eds * Mythago Picnic/Sky * Toxic NA * Alien Nation * So, replies NOT received from (as of 12/2/98) Disciples Jedi Children Sneeekys Purple Haze Ow Uriel Mohawks Skunks Unless I hear otherwise, I am assuming these last eight teams do NOT want accommodation. Also, I am assuming that all these teams WILL be attending the tournament, which (as this is a BUF event) presumably means that BUF rules regarding late withdrawal (less than 1 week before the event) will apply. Sorry to sound in a bit of a strop, but I can't think of a good excuse why teams would not reply to the invites (I even sent out stamped addressed envelopes). See you all soon Love n Luck Lawrence Your 'Not Over Stressed At All' Tournament Director From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Feb 13 18:09:44 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id RAA04491 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 17:04:02 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA04452 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 17:03:42 GMT Received: from ultimatum.demon.co.uk ([158.152.203.174]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa2022095; 13 Feb 98 16:23 GMT Subject: Dave & Sarah really need a lift! Date: Fri, 13 Feb 98 16:28:58 +0000 x-sender: ultimatum@pop3.demon.co.uk x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: Paul Hurt To: BritDisc Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Message-ID: <887387002.2022095.0@ultimatum.demon.co.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi all Dave Trovell and Sarah Davison are still desperately looking for a lift to Cheltenham from London. They'll travel tonight or tomorrow morning, separately or together. If you know anyone with even one spare place in your car/minibus/bicycle travelling from London to Cheltenham, please give Dave a call asap on: 0171 893 4174 (before 6.30 tonight) 0181 800 2479 (after 6.30) or 0374 612168 (Dave's mobile) Dave has to be there tomorrow for 8.45 am. Sarah can leave later if necessary (not playing till 11.45 am). Thanks Paul (who doesn't need a lift at all, cause he's going to a wedding - sadly). --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Hurt Editor, Ultimatum Magazine, London, England editor@ultimatum.demon.co.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Feb 13 20:51:19 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id UAA00086 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 20:29:44 GMT Received: from pluto.open.ac.uk (pluto.open.ac.uk [137.108.143.4]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA00079 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 20:29:40 GMT Received: from acsfc-mail (actually host acsfc-mail.open.ac.uk) by pluto with SMTP Local (PP); Fri, 13 Feb 1998 20:29:26 +0000 From: wmd4@student.open.ac.uk (Wayne Davey) To: david@mcg.gla.ac.uk Cc: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 20:17:34 -0000 Subject: Indoor qualifiers Message-ID: References: <5532ACE6D2B@mcg1.mcg.gla.ac.uk> Organization: Open University MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-ID: X-Gateway: NASTA Gate 1.18 for FirstClass(R) Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk david@mcg.gla.ac.uk,Internet writes: >I was wondering if you could tell me how many teams are qualifying >from each regional for the finals? (Sorry, I've been having email probs. this week) Qualifiers are : Scotland 4 North 6 Midland 8 S West 6 If a qualifying side decides not to go their slot will be offered to the next team from that region. If more than one team from a region decides not to go I intend to consult with Chris Hughes (finals organiser) to decide which team to offer their place to. Wayne From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Feb 13 22:48:11 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id WAA09081 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 22:28:00 GMT Received: from wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk (wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk [131.111.48.24]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA09068 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 22:27:53 GMT Received: by wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk (UK-Smail 3.1.25.1/15) id ; Fri, 13 Feb 98 22:27 GMT Message-Id: Date: Fri, 13 Feb 98 22:27 GMT From: mackay@mrao.cam.ac.uk (David J.C. MacKay) To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: the Master at work Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi all, for thoose of you with web browsers, here is a *genuine* picture of Sammy. http://wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk/mackay/images/scotland97/samud.gif This is from the Southampton tournament, 1997. Sammy hucked it from one endzone to the other for a point. I happened to catch his throw. This picture is an animation of nine frames total. David ========================================================================== David J.C. MacKay email: mackay@mrao.cam.ac.uk www: http://wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk/mackay/ Cavendish Laboratory, tel: (01223) 339852 fax: 354599 home: 276411 Madingley Road, international code: +44 1223 Cambridge CB3 0HE. U.K. room: 982 Rutherford Building From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Feb 16 08:18:38 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id HAA13263 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 07:47:04 GMT Received: from gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (ralf@gem [137.205.227.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA13255 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 07:47:02 GMT Received: (from ralf@localhost) by gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id HAA03476 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 07:47:02 GMT Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 07:47:02 GMT From: Ranulf Doswell Message-Id: <199802160747.HAA03476@gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: BFDF Events Reminder Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk British Flying Disc Federation Disc Events Diary ------------------------------------------------ The events list can also be found at http://www.dcs.warwick.ac.uk/~ralf/bfdf/ ---------- Wednesday 18th February 1998 Scottish League (1 day) [Outdoor Ultimate] URL: http://www.ed.ac.uk/~ultimate/ Saturday 21st February 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Whitcombe, Dorset [Golf] Student Indoor Finals (2 days) @ Manchester [Students' Indoor Ultimate] Contact Simon Weeks Email gga95sew@sheffield.ac.uk Phone 0114 222 9999 ext 52252 Saturday 28th February 1998 Scottish Indoor Regionals (2 days) [Indoor Ultimate] Contact James Spicer Email J.A.Spicer@sms.ed.ac.uk URL http://www.ed.ac.uk/~ultimate/ Warwick Indoors (2 days) TBC [Indoor Ultimate] Postponed, due to booking clash Contact Jim Ayrton Email stuly@csv.warwick.ac.uk URL http://www.csv.warwick.ac.uk/~suaaz/ Wednesday 4th March 1998 Scottish League (1 day) [Outdoor Ultimate] URL: http://www.ed.ac.uk/~ultimate/ Saturday 7th March 1998 "Spring into Action" 1998 (2 days) @ University of Warwick (TBC) [Women's Outdoor Ultimate] Cost: 45 GBP per team (incl. BUF tax), cheques payable to Sue Underwood. SAT- 11am for 11:30 start Finish approx 5.30pm SUN- 9.30/10 start Finish approx 3.00pm Contact Sue Underwood Sunday 8th March 1998 GB Training (Open, Women and Masters) (1 day) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 14th March 1998 National Indoors (2 days) [Indoor Ultimate] Contact Wayne Davey Email wmd4@student.open.ac.uk Phone 01225 462212 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Quarry Park, Warwickshire [Golf] Saturday 21st March 1998 Squaws (1 day) @ University of Sussex Sports Centre [Women's Indoor Ultimate] Cost: GBP40 per team Contact Kate Sygrove Address 110 Hythe Road Brighton East Sussex Email hcui1@central.susx.ac.uk Phone 01273 500234 Saturday 28th March 1998 Tour I (2 days) (Provisional) @ Leicester (TBC) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 4th April 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Ashton Court, Bristol [Golf] Dublin (2 days) TBC [Ultimate] Contact Gareth McFeely Email garreth.mcfeely@iveagh.irlgov.ie Sunday 12th April 1998 GB Training (Open, Women and Masters) (1 day) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 18th April 1998 Tour II (2 days) @ Swidon [Outdoor Ultimate] TD Layout Dreams Saturday 2nd May 1998 GB Training (Open and Women) (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Scottish Open, Isle of Mull [Golf] Student Outdoors (2 days) @ Leicester [Students' Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Simon Weeks Email gga95sew@sheffield.ac.uk Phone 0114 222 9999 ext 52252 Saturday 9th May 1998 Tour III (2 days) (Provisional) @ Birmingham [Outdoor Ultimate] TD Charlie Mead Thursday 21st May 1998 Rotterdam (4 days) [Outdoor Ultimate Abroad] Saturday 30th May 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) TBC @ Hayling Island, Southampton [Golf] Saturday 6th June 1998 Fiesta (2 days) TBC [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 13th June 1998 GB Training (Open and Women) (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Quarry Park, Warwickshire [Golf] Saturday 20th June 1998 Tour IV (2 days) @ Southampton [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 4th July 1998 GB Training (Open and Women) (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 11th July 1998 Tour V (2 days) (Provisional) [Outdoor Ultimate] Date reserved (2 days) Saturday 18th July 1998 Date reserved (2 days) BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Whitcombe, Dorset [Golf] Saturday 25th July 1998 GB Training (Open and Women) (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 8th August 1998 GB Training (Open and Women) (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Friday 14th August 1998 Worlds (10 days) [Outdoor Ultimate Abroad] Saturday 15th August 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Essex University [Golf] Saturday 29th August 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) TBC @ Perth or Edinburgh [Golf] Friday 11th September 1998 BUF Open (3 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 19th September 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Burnlaw, Horthumberland [Golf] Saturday 26th September 1998 Nationals 98 (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 24th October 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Whitcombe, Dorset [Golf Handicap] ---------------------------------------------------------- British Flying Disc Federation Disc Events Diary http://www.dcs.warwick.ac.uk/~ralf/bfdf/ Ranulf Doswell, ralf@dcs.warwick.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Feb 16 12:43:12 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id LAA20714 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 11:36:29 GMT Received: from beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk (beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.129.138]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA20672 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 11:36:14 GMT Received: from willow.sucs.soton.ac.uk (willow.sucs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.128.20]) by beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.5/server) with ESMTP id LAA00438 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 11:36:13 GMT Received: from bill (bill.aero.soton.ac.uk [152.78.240.57]) by willow.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.5/client) with SMTP id LAA26636 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 11:33:19 GMT Message-ID: <34E8247E.6DBF@soton.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 11:35:26 +0000 From: Paul Schuricht X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (X11; I; SunOS 5.5 sun4c) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: BritDisc Mailing List Subject: contact details for Lee and John Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi, Anyone got Phone numbers for Lee and John from Shrub. cheers Paul From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Feb 16 14:12:47 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id NAA11303 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 13:14:08 GMT Received: from exeter.ac.uk (hermes.ex.ac.uk [144.173.6.14]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA11266 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 13:13:56 GMT Received: from mstl024 [144.173.9.224] by hermes via SMTP (NAA24279); Mon, 16 Feb 1998 13:13:50 GMT From: Sue Farley Reply-To: S.M.Farley@exeter.ac.uk To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: SOUTH WEST REGIONALS RESULTS Message-ID: Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 13:15:25 +0000 (GMT) Read-Receipt-To: Sue Farley Disposition-Notification-To: Sue Farley X-Mailer: Simeon for Win32 Version 4.1.2 Build (29) X-Authentication: IMSP MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk The results from the South West regionals are as follows: 1 Shrub 2 Ow1 3 Discult 4 Skunks 1 5 Mohawks 1 6 Ow2 7 Picnic 1 8 Nightfever 9 Slow White 10 Uriel 1 11 Skunks 2 12 Mowhawks 2 13 Picnic 2 14 Uriel Enigma 15 Uriel Flirts 16 Skunks 3 Spirit of the Game was given to Ow1 and Ow 2 because the votes were evenly spread. Thanks to everyone who came down to Exeter, I hope that you all enjoyed your weekend and wish those luck in the finals. Sue Ps. those of you in the southwest, you were on Westcountry Tv this lunchtime and it will be repeated in the tea time edition. ---------------------- Sue Farley University of Exeter From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Feb 16 14:15:25 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id NAA12424 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 13:19:57 GMT Received: from exeter.ac.uk (hermes.ex.ac.uk [144.173.6.14]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA12338 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 13:19:32 GMT Received: from mstl024 [144.173.9.224] by hermes via SMTP (NAA07224); Mon, 16 Feb 1998 13:19:28 GMT From: Sue Farley Reply-To: S.M.Farley@exeter.ac.uk To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: SW LOST PROPERTY Message-ID: Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 13:21:02 +0000 (GMT) Read-Receipt-To: Sue Farley Disposition-Notification-To: Sue Farley X-Mailer: Simeon for Win32 Version 4.1.2 Build (29) X-Authentication: IMSP MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk If anyone has lost anything from the tournament or has gone home with items not belonging to them, please let me know. So far I have a pair of blue cnvas shoes, a grey hooded jumper, a beige Zambia top, Nightfever, does anyone claim a pair of Stars and Stripes boxer shorts? Please, it anyone has a white disc with `Holland' written in Blue, please let me know asap Cheers Sue ---------------------- Sue Farley University of Exeter From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Feb 16 16:06:44 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id PAA06399 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 15:03:26 GMT Received: from mercury.doc.ntu.ac.uk (mercury.doc.ntu.ac.uk [152.71.57.110]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA06371 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 15:03:17 GMT From: st3vita@doc.ntu.ac.uk Message-Id: <199802161503.PAA06371@pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Received: from doc.ntu.ac.uk by mercury.doc.ntu.ac.uk id <00566-0@mercury.doc.ntu.ac.uk>; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 15:01:25 +0000 Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 15:01:23 +0000 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Searching Rich Parks Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Can somebody give me a contact for Rich Parks (e-mail, phone, fax, address). Sorry for using Britdisc as a dating agency!!!!!! VITO ******** SuperFly From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Feb 16 18:52:38 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id SAA13119 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 18:25:41 GMT Received: from out4.ibm.net (out4.ibm.net [165.87.194.239]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA13091 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 18:25:37 GMT Received: from crmqtsve (slip139-92-72-74.pa.fr.ibm.net [139.92.72.74]) by out4.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA166752 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 18:25:34 GMT Message-Id: <199802161825.SAA166752@out4.ibm.net> From: "Toby Green" To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 18:36:55 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: London - Whitcombe on Friday? Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Is anyone driving down to Whitcombe on Friday evening for the Frostbreaker? I'm arriving at Waterloo(from Paris) at 7.13pm and would love to cadge a ride. The last train to Dorset is at 7.35pm which makes it a little dodgy if the Eurostar gets held up for any reason. And you wouldn't want the TD to be late, now would you!? And why am I in Paris? - 'cos that's where I'm living for the next three months (and maybe more). If anyone wants to reach me by other means, my new contact details follow. ps- does anyone know of any disc golf in Paris? Or am I going to have to start it here? Come to that, anyone know of any ultimate players here? See all you golfers next weekend! Toby Toby Green 25 rue des Petits Hotels 75010 Paris France +33 1 42 46 41 14 (phone & fax) toby.green@ibm.net From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Feb 17 21:23:38 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id UAA19283 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 20:58:23 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.154]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA19274 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 20:58:20 GMT Received: from phidelta.demon.co.uk ([158.152.248.177]) by post.mail.demon.net id ab1010046; 17 Feb 98 20:28 GMT Message-ID: <6wonQIAXnL60EwtS@phidelta.demon.co.uk> Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 22:12:39 +0000 To: BritDisc From: Wayne Retter Subject: Swedish Indoor Nationals MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Trial Version 3.04 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk results... Carnegie are champions of the Open and Women's Divisions Skogsyddans are runners up in the Open division oops... Skogsyddans Women lost their quarter-final (a game to 13 points, no time limits) in 70 minutes! reliably reported by someone who was ther, telling someone who wasn't, telling me... -------------------------- Wayne Retter Wayne@phidelta.demon.co.uk http://www.phidelta.demon.co.uk/ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Feb 17 22:13:08 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id VAA25373 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 21:57:06 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.154]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA25365 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 21:57:03 GMT Received: from phidelta.demon.co.uk ([158.152.248.177]) by post.mail.demon.net id ab1010044; 17 Feb 98 20:28 GMT Message-ID: Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 19:14:18 +0000 To: BritDisc Cc: Chris Hughes , Wayne Retter , Merrick Cardew From: National Indoors TD Reply-To: Midlands/National Indoors TD Subject: Midlands Regionals: Results MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Trial Version 3.04 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Midlands Regional Indoor Championships 1998 Apologies to teams for: the information packs being improperly posted; the email/websire directions being inaccurate (re: M4 junction); the slippery second hall (Pates Gramar); the slippery end of the main hall (Cheltenham College). Thanks to: Pates Grammar and Cheltenham College (especially Andy, who cleared up after you all) for hiring us their facilities; Blue Arse Flies for regularly helping out with the scoring, etc; all the others that helped out with the scoring and timekeeping. Lost Property: Once again, we've a pile of left over stuff - a few tshirts, a couple of discs, maybe a couple of other things. Everybody who was at the presentation denied ownership, so if you were wrong, it looks like you've lost it! Results: 19. Bears II 18. Red II 17. Chaos 16. Slipped Disc I 15. Phat 'Eds 14. Bears III 13. Strange Blue 12. Snatch 11. Watershed 10. Slipped Disc II 09. Bear I - Plate 08. Lurkers 07. Blue Arse Flies 06. Village People 05. Whiplash 04. Red I 03. Chineapple Punks 02. Fluid Druids 01. UTI - Trophy SOTG: Strange Blue If anyone wants to come and spectate at Nationals, feel free - see the tournament website and probable future emails for details... Wayne Retter Assistant TD -- indoors98@phidelta.demon.co.uk Layout Dreams Midlands Regional Indoors TD National Indoors TD http://www.phidelta.demon.co.uk/nati98/ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Feb 18 00:06:51 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id XAA06742 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 23:44:50 GMT Received: from ortnet.ort.org (ortnet.ort.org [193.117.1.2]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA06737 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 23:44:48 GMT Received: from demon.co.uk.demon.co.uk by ortnet.ort.org (ElectricMail-MESSAGE-2.0-GAMMA) id XAA03189; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 23:50:30 GMT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980217234228.00698670@ortnet.ort.org> X-Sender: anjy007@ortnet.ort.org (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 23:42:28 +1100 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: Habonim Dror Northern Office Subject: For Batty Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk My apologies to everyone else... Batty, If you get this, give me a call. Cheers, Jez ****************************************************************** Jez Aron 11 UpperPark Road Manchester M7 0HY Office: 0161 795 9447 Fax: 0161 740 1981 Mobile: 0467 678836 e-mail: north.habonim@ort.org ****************************************************************** From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Feb 18 15:57:51 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id OAA20907 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 14:46:20 GMT Received: from pp2.shef.ac.uk (pp2.shef.ac.uk [143.167.1.32]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA20871; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 14:46:07 GMT Received: from pebley.shef.ac.uk [143.167.79.249] by pp2.shef.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.73 #1) id 0y5AlB-0000Om-00; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 14:46:05 +0000 Received: from PEBLEY/SpoolDir by pebley.shef.ac.uk (Mercury 1.32); 18 Feb 98 14:46:05 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by PEBLEY (Mercury 1.32); 18 Feb 98 14:45:54 +0000 From: "Simon Weeks" To: All.University.Ultimate.Teams@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 14:45:50 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Student Indoor Finals X-mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.31 Message-ID: <3C7EB895529@pebley.shef.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Dear Teams, Here is the details about the first dozen games for Saturday morning. I give this information only as a guide, so that you can guage how early to arrive in order to have time to eat and warm up. I accept no responsibility for teams arriving later than 9am and missing a game as a result of a schedule change (although this is very unlikely). Time Pitch 1 Pitch 2 9.00 Mohawks v Uriel Ow! v Alien Nation 9.22 Far Flung v Jesters Bears v Jedi Children 9.44 Disciples v Sneekys Mwnci See v Phat Eds 10.06 Skunks v Skunks II Mythago v Ow! II 10.28 Mohawks v Purple Haze Ow! v Flying Sorcerers 10.50 Far Flung v Picnic In The Sky Bears v Toxic Have a safe journey everyone, See you all Saturday morning, Simon Weeks Student Coordinator From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Feb 18 18:11:13 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id RAA19483 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 17:14:10 GMT Received: from neodymium (neodymium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.83]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA19453 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 17:14:02 GMT Received: from btinternet.com [195.99.51.30] by neodymium with smtp (Exim 1.70 #1) id 0y5D4I-0003eO-00; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 17:13:59 +0000 Message-ID: To: britdisc MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mark Jefferson Subject: Whiplash contact details. Date: Wed, 18 Feb 98 14:16:09 GMT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id RAA19472 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hello! In the immortal words of Take That, I'm back for good..... Messages for Whiplash can be emailed to me, or my new address is listed below. If anyone has tried to get in touch with me over the last six weeks, I'll get around to replying in the next few days (I have 139 messages in my mail box, so it could take a while.) Cheers, Mark Jefferson Whiplash 14 Troutbeck Peartree Bridge Milton Keynes MK6 3ED 01908 666573 From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Feb 18 21:52:59 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id VAA24677 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 21:35:21 GMT Received: from apollo.le.ac.uk (apollo.le.ac.uk [143.210.16.125]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA24671 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 21:35:18 GMT Received: from lupin.le.ac.uk by apollo.le.ac.uk with SMTP (local); Wed, 18 Feb 1998 21:37:23 +0000 Received: from LUPIN/SpoolDir by lupin.le.ac.uk (Mercury 1.31); 18 Feb 98 21:36:38 +0100 (BST) Received: from SpoolDir by LUPIN (Mercury 1.31); 18 Feb 98 21:36:34 +0100 (BST) From: "K.M. Taylor" To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 21:36:29 +0100 (BST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: student outdoor finals X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.40) Message-ID: <3E647427D2@lupin.le.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk hello everybody this years finals are going to be on the 2/3rd of may in sunny leicester ( put it in the diary and keep it free ). I would like to know how many teams want to come as i have to finalise the booking of the pitches. because it falls on a bankholiday weekend there is also the option of running a three day event. i would like to know peoples opinions on this as i don`t want to arrange it if teams cannot make the full three days. if nobody has a problem it should be great. further details will be sent out soon with details about cost etc. i look foward to hearing what people have to say either on britdisc or this weekend at manchester. cheers, kieran (jesters) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Feb 19 01:14:46 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id AAA13095 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 00:34:56 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.154]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA13072 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 00:34:44 GMT Received: from phidelta.demon.co.uk ([158.152.248.177]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa1020235; 18 Feb 98 22:27 GMT Message-ID: <1xvvkAArL060EwcX@phidelta.demon.co.uk> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 20:22:03 +0000 To: BritDisc From: National Indoors TD Reply-To: National Indoors TD , Chris Hughes Subject: National Indoors MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Trial Version 3.04 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk To all those concerned, Nationals Qualification, I can confirm that the following teams have qualified for the National Indoor Championships in Cheltenham, on March 14-15th. The teams in brackets are reserve teams, and will qualify if any team in their region withdraws. Those teams which are not highlighted by an asterix need to contact me either by email (chughes@chelt.ac.uk), or by phone (01242 543299h 01542 859210w) with their contact details. The tournament will cost 75 pounds Scotland; 4 teams yet to be confirmed, qualification at end of the month. Northern; 6 teams 2. Chevron 1 3. Chevron 2 4. Zebedees 5. Mild Mannered Janitors 6. Bradford 7. Jedi 1 (8. Fingers 6 1) This is based on the information that the tournament winners, Leeds Losers do NOT want to attend Nationals. Could someone mail us from the team to confirm that this is correct. Midlands; 8 teams 1. UTI* 2 Druids* 3. Chineapple Punks* 4. Red 1* 5. Whiplash* 6. Village People* 7. Blue Arse Flies* 8. Lurkers (9. Bears 1) South-West; 6 teams 1. Shrub* 2. Ow! 1* 3. Discult 4. Skunks 5. Mohawks 1 6. Ow! 2* (7. Picnic 1) The tournament is to be held at Cheltenham Rec Centre and college of higher education, halls 500m apart. All spectators are welcome, information will be availible at the tournament website. http://www.phidelta.demon.co.uk/nati98/ Teams can expect their information packs soon. See you there, Chris chughes@chelt.ac.uk -- indoors98@phidelta.demon.co.uk Layout Dreams Midlands Regional Indoors TD National Indoors TD http://www.phidelta.demon.co.uk/nati98/ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Feb 19 10:34:14 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id KAA22939 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 10:12:27 GMT Received: from shrimp.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (ralf@shrimp [137.205.227.130]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA22913 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 10:12:21 GMT Received: (from ralf@localhost) by shrimp.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA10232 for britdisc@csv; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 10:12:19 GMT From: Ralf Message-Id: <199802191012.KAA10232@shrimp.dcs.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: student nationals To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 10:12:19 +0000 (GMT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL35 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hello, I've been asked to pass on the following rather strange message, apparently from Nads via Challis: Can people going to the Student Indoor Nationals please bring tequila and a droopy moustache... Quite why, is another matter, but that's what I've been told... Ralf. ____ ____ _ _ ____ .----------------------------------------. _\__ \ _\__ \ / \ / \\__/ | Ranulf Doswell | / \_/ /_ / \_/ \ / / / /___ | Department of Computer Science | \ __ \\ __ \\ \ _\ \\_/ |University of Warwick, COVENTRY, CV4 7AL| \ \ \ \\ \ \ \\ \__/ \\ \ | Phone: 01203 523 296 | \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \______/ \_/ `----------------------------------------' From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Feb 19 16:36:30 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id PAA24329 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 15:15:31 GMT Received: from spock.tinet.ie ([159.134.237.8]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA24127 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 15:14:51 GMT Received: from sepro.ie (p84-as2.dubexs.tinet.ie [159.134.224.84]) by spock.tinet.ie (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id PAA06848; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 15:14:32 GMT Received: by SEPRO_PETERB with Microsoft Mail id <01BD3D3F.1AB44E20@SEPRO_PETERB>; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 14:03:07 -0000 Message-ID: <01BD3D3F.1AB44E20@SEPRO_PETERB> From: Peter Bennison To: "Britdisc (E-mail)" , "EuroDisc (E-mail)" Subject: Irish Ultimate Players wanted for WUC Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 14:03:06 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id PAA24239 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Irish World's 98 Team There will be an Irish team goin to the Worlds Aug 15th to 21st, 1998 in Minnesota. If you are of Irish descent and wish to be considered for selection, you need to do a couple of things: 1. Let us (Irish Flying Disc Association, 42 Lower Clanbrassil Street, Dublin 8, Ireland or mailto:pbennison@sepro.ie) know you're out there. 2. Attend the Dublin tournie April 4th/5th 3. Play with the Irish Squad to allow us to assess you. NB The intention is to take as many people as possible to have a great craic, and for everyone to play at some point. It will be serious, but a lot of fun. Cost - $150 Team fee - to be paid for by the IFDA $155 per player (includes transportation to/from pitches) $180 accomodation $30 per night - 6 nights including all you can eat buffet TOTAL $335 + Air fare minus whatever sponsorship we can get From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Feb 19 17:42:36 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id QAA10800 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 16:34:44 GMT Received: from crane.cf.ac.uk (crane.cf.ac.uk [131.251.0.45]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA10748 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 16:34:30 GMT Received: from HUMSCF2S.CF.AC.UK by crane.cf.ac.uk with SMTP-LOC (PP); Thu, 19 Feb 1998 16:31:51 +0000 Received: from HUMSCF2S/SpoolDir by HUMSCF2S.CF.AC.UK (Mercury 1.32); 19 Feb 98 16:34:07 GMT0BST Received: from SpoolDir by HUMSCF2S (Mercury 1.32); 19 Feb 98 16:33:53 GMT0BST From: DAVID BARNARD To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 16:33:44 GMT0BST Subject: Ultimate referees References: <880422468.1014731.0@ultimatum.demon.co.uk> In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.54) Message-ID: <102926FA529B@HUMSCF2S.CF.AC.UK> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi all, I was wondering if anyone could help. In Ultimatum years ago there was an article on referees in the US and how nice it was playing ultmate over here where everyone is so friendly?!? I was wondering if anyone could get me a copy or lend me a copy - in order to get ultimate known in Cardiff Uni a friend wants to write an article for the uni paper on the fact the Ultimate has no Refs and I thougt it might help. Cheers Dave Barnard Dave 22 Barnard @ 0411 691129 From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Feb 20 14:59:09 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id OAA19284 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 14:35:35 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA19255 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 14:35:28 GMT Received: from ultimatum.demon.co.uk ([158.152.203.174]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa2019817; 20 Feb 98 13:46 GMT Subject: Ultimatum Issue 35 available online NOW Date: Fri, 20 Feb 98 13:52:25 +0000 x-sender: ultimatum@pop3.demon.co.uk x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: Paul Hurt To: BritDisc Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Message-ID: <887982395.2019817.0@ultimatum.demon.co.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hello all Ultimatum Issue 35 is available for downloading now at Ultimatum Online ----------------------------------------------------------------------- The latest issue of Ultimatum has just gone off to be printed. It's not expected back until the middle of next week, and distribution will of course take a little while too. If you want to see it now though, you can download it from the Ultimatum Online web site. Ultimatum Online is at http://www.ultimatum.demon.co.uk In case you're wondering, it's on the web as an Adobe Acrobat PDF file. This means that you get the newsletter exactly as it will appear in print, with all the correct fonts, pictures, graphics, etc. All you need is the Adobe Acrobat Reader software (which you can download free from the Adobe site - there's a link on my pages - and it's often found lurking on those free CDs you get in computer mags). You can of course print the newsletter out with Acrobat Reader, and read it on the bus home tonight! Acrobat Reader is available for PCs, Macs, and Sun and Silicon Graphics machines too I believe. I have my fingers crossed that I've done everything right. I think I have - I've tried it all here, and it works fine. I'm sure you'll all let me know soon enough if I've fouled up though! Actually, if you manage to download and view Ultimatum 35 okay, it'd help if you quickly mailed me to say so (and if you tell me what kind of system you're using, that'd help even more). Finally, be warned that Ultimatum has changed a lot since the last issue. What's going on is explained in full in this issue. Happy reading (I hope) Paul --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Hurt Editor, Ultimatum Magazine, London, England editor@ultimatum.demon.co.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Feb 20 23:32:49 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id XAA29489 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 23:12:31 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA29483 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 23:12:27 GMT Received: from phidelta.demon.co.uk ([158.152.248.177]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa2029236; 20 Feb 98 23:08 GMT Message-ID: Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 23:06:42 +0000 To: BritDisc From: Wayne Retter Subject: Re: Ultilinks In-Reply-To: <"irafs1.ira.249:17.02.98.22.54.29"@ira.uka.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Trial Version 3.04 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Some of you will have received this, but I'm sure there are others who'd like to know: On EuroDisc, Peldi writes >Ciao everybody. > >Ultilinks, The Ultimate Starting Point, is now online! > >It could easely be the most comprehensive collection of WWW links >related to Ultimate in Europe. > >So far it includes 75 teams from 10 countries, links to 14 federations, >the 4 most "useful" sites, 5 educational sites and links to other huge >Ultimate links sites. > >All in a very user-friendly pulldown menu interface. > >So to > http://cs.unibo.it/~guilizzo/ultilinks/ > >and bookmark it right away. > >Add your site in case it's not yet listed, add an advertisement for your >page and/or tournament, visit a randomly picked team page. > >It needs a Javascript enabled browser such as Netscape 3 (or later) or >I.E.3 (or later). Sorry, it won't work with lynx ;-) > >Ciao, > Peldi > >Ultilinks is a Cota Rica 1998 production. >http://cs.unibo.it/~guilizzo/ultilinks/ > -------------------------- Wayne Retter Wayne@phidelta.demon.co.uk http://www.phidelta.demon.co.uk/ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Feb 23 08:13:08 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id HAA19847 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 07:47:06 GMT Received: from gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (ralf@gem [137.205.227.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA19839 for ; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 07:47:04 GMT Received: (from ralf@localhost) by gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id HAA23778 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 07:47:03 GMT Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 07:47:03 GMT From: Ranulf Doswell Message-Id: <199802230747.HAA23778@gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: BFDF Events Reminder Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk British Flying Disc Federation Disc Events Diary ------------------------------------------------ The events list can also be found at http://www.dcs.warwick.ac.uk/~ralf/bfdf/ ---------- Saturday 28th February 1998 Scottish Indoor Regionals (2 days) [Indoor Ultimate] Contact James Spicer Email J.A.Spicer@sms.ed.ac.uk URL http://www.ed.ac.uk/~ultimate/ Wednesday 4th March 1998 Scottish League (1 day) [Outdoor Ultimate] URL: http://www.ed.ac.uk/~ultimate/ Saturday 7th March 1998 "Spring into Action" 1998 (2 days) @ University of Warwick (TBC) [Women's Outdoor Ultimate] Cost: 45 GBP per team (incl. BUF tax), cheques payable to Sue Underwood. SAT- 11am for 11:30 start Finish approx 5.30pm SUN- 9.30/10 start Finish approx 3.00pm Contact Sue Underwood Sunday 8th March 1998 GB Training (Open, Women and Masters) (1 day) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 14th March 1998 National Indoors (2 days) [Indoor Ultimate] Contact Wayne Davey Email wmd4@student.open.ac.uk Phone 01225 462212 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Quarry Park, Warwickshire [Golf] Saturday 21st March 1998 Squaws (1 day) @ University of Sussex Sports Centre [Women's Indoor Ultimate] Cost: GBP40 per team Contact Kate Sygrove Address 110 Hythe Road Brighton East Sussex Email hcui1@central.susx.ac.uk Phone 01273 500234 Saturday 28th March 1998 Tour I (2 days) (Provisional) @ Leicester (TBC) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 4th April 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Ashton Court, Bristol [Golf] Dublin (2 days) TBC [Ultimate] Contact Gareth McFeely Email garreth.mcfeely@iveagh.irlgov.ie Sunday 12th April 1998 GB Training (Open, Women and Masters) (1 day) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 18th April 1998 Tour II (2 days) @ Swidon [Outdoor Ultimate] TD Layout Dreams Email tour2@phidelta.demon.co.uk URL http://www.phidelta.demon.co.uk/u8-98/tour2/ Saturday 25th April 1998 Warwick Indoors (2 days) [Indoor Ultimate] Contact Jim Ayrton Email stuly@csv.warwick.ac.uk URL http://www.csv.warwick.ac.uk/~suaaz/ Saturday 2nd May 1998 GB Training (Open and Women) (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Scottish Open, Isle of Mull [Golf] Student Outdoors (2 days) @ Leicester [Students' Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Simon Weeks Email gga95sew@sheffield.ac.uk Phone 0114 222 9999 ext 52252 Saturday 9th May 1998 Tour III (2 days) (Provisional) @ Birmingham [Outdoor Ultimate] TD Charlie Mead Thursday 21st May 1998 Rotterdam (4 days) [Outdoor Ultimate Abroad] Saturday 30th May 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) TBC @ Hayling Island, Southampton [Golf] Saturday 6th June 1998 Fiesta (2 days) TBC [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 13th June 1998 GB Training (Open and Women) (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Quarry Park, Warwickshire [Golf] Saturday 20th June 1998 Tour IV (2 days) @ Southampton [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 4th July 1998 GB Training (Open and Women) (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 11th July 1998 Tour V (2 days) (Provisional) [Outdoor Ultimate] Date reserved (2 days) Saturday 18th July 1998 Date reserved (2 days) BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Whitcombe, Dorset [Golf] Saturday 25th July 1998 GB Training (Open and Women) (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 8th August 1998 GB Training (Open and Women) (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Friday 14th August 1998 Worlds (10 days) [Outdoor Ultimate Abroad] Saturday 15th August 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Essex University [Golf] Saturday 29th August 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) TBC @ Perth or Edinburgh [Golf] Friday 11th September 1998 BUF Open (3 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 19th September 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Burnlaw, Horthumberland [Golf] Saturday 26th September 1998 Nationals 98 (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 24th October 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Whitcombe, Dorset [Golf Handicap] ---------------------------------------------------------- British Flying Disc Federation Disc Events Diary http://www.dcs.warwick.ac.uk/~ralf/bfdf/ Ranulf Doswell, ralf@dcs.warwick.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Feb 23 10:55:29 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id JAA02654 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 09:49:24 GMT Received: from dryctnath.mmu.ac.uk (dryctnath.mmu.ac.uk [149.170.190.134]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA02626 for ; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 09:49:11 GMT Received: from yorktown.mmu.ac.uk [149.170.132.252] by dryctnath.mmu.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #1) id 0y6uVE-0002M3-00; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 09:48:48 +0000 Received: from MMU-HOL-YORKTOWN/SpoolDir by yorktown.mmu.ac.uk (Mercury 1.31); 23 Feb 98 09:48:50 GMT Received: from SpoolDir by MMU-HOL-YORKTOWN (Mercury 1.31); 23 Feb 98 09:48:49 GMT From: "Lawrence PAULSON" Organization: Manchester Metropolitan University To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 09:48:42 +GMT Subject: Student Finals: Placings X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <679D63B7443@yorktown.mmu.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Here are the final results from the Student Indoor Nationals @ Manchester this weekend. 1.Flying Sorcerers 2.Jedi Children 3.Mythago 4.Ow! I 5.Mohawks 6.Far Flung 7.Sneeekys 8.Skunks I 9.Picnic In The Sky (Plate) 10.Disciples 11.Bears 12.Jesters 13.Phat'Eds 14.Uriel 15.Toxic Ninja Attack 16.Alien Nation 17.Purple Haze (Spoon) 18.Skunks II 19.Ow II 20.Mwnci See Sprit Of the Game Award: Flying Sorcerers do 'the double'. More details / full report to follow when I've got more time. Love n Luck Lawrence Tourny Director LPaulson@postmaster.co.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Feb 23 11:03:27 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id KAA06267 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 10:13:28 GMT Received: from amsta.leeds.ac.uk (amsta.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA06250 for ; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 10:13:19 GMT Received: from newton.leeds.amsta (newton.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.64]) by amsta.leeds.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA24600 for ; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 10:13:34 GMT Received: by newton.leeds.amsta (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA04541; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 10:13:44 GMT Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 10:13:44 GMT From: amtsjh@amsta.leeds.ac.uk (S J Hill) Message-Id: <199802231013.KAA04541@newton.leeds.amsta> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: TOUR X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk A few people have emailed about rosters, entry to Tour I and all that.... I hope to have all the info out this week - hopefully to be with your team contact by the end of the week. Sorry its a little late. Si From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Feb 23 13:20:38 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id MAA01383 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 12:13:18 GMT Received: from mercury.king.ac.uk (mercury.king.ac.uk [141.241.4.24]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA01176 for ; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 12:12:39 GMT Received: from bob.king.ac.uk by mercury.king.ac.uk with SMTP (MMTA 2) with ESMTP; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 12:12:24 +0000 Received: from BOB/SpoolDir by bob.king.ac.uk (Mercury 1.40); 23 Feb 98 12:14:25 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by BOB (Mercury 1.40); 23 Feb 98 12:14:02 +0000 From: Colin Smith Organization: Kingston University To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 12:13:54 +0000 Subject: Kingston Uni new name X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.54) Message-ID: <19D82632994@bob.king.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk After furious debate and much internal wrangling, Snatch has changed it's name. And we have started practices outdoors. Anyone welcome to come along and join us on Sundays 1pm to 5pm at Richmond Park Rugby fields (they're gorgeously flat) nr Roehampton Gate. Contact one of us if you're npt sure how to get there. We are now the "K-Niggets". Contact details, in case you don't have them, are below. Any invites welcomed. Colin Smith RC12A Rennie Centre Kingston University Kingston Hill Kingston Surrey KT2 7HJ Pager 04325 265073 e-mail: k967338@kingston.ac.uk Cheers Colin ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Colin Smith "K-Niggets" Ultimate Club Kingston University K967338@kingston.ac.uk Pager: 04325 265073 From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Feb 23 14:23:01 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id NAA15909 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 13:18:12 GMT Received: from pp2.shef.ac.uk (pp2.shef.ac.uk [143.167.1.32]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA15825 for ; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 13:17:55 GMT Received: from pebley.shef.ac.uk [143.167.79.249] by pp2.shef.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.73 #1) id 0y6xlb-00055d-00; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 13:17:55 +0000 Received: from PEBLEY/SpoolDir by pebley.shef.ac.uk (Mercury 1.32); 23 Feb 98 13:17:55 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by PEBLEY (Mercury 1.32); 23 Feb 98 13:17:44 +0000 From: "Simon Weeks" To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 13:17:38 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Student Eligibility Rule Changes X-mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.31 Message-ID: <43E7C5A4A9C@pebley.shef.ac.uk> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-printable to 8bit by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id NAA15880 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk To ALL(!!) Students, After much discussion, the general consensus seemed to be that the rule change preventing experienced players from participating in student competition was seriously floored. Therefore with immediate effect this rule will be abolished. All other rules remain the same. This rule change is not to say that universities should play there best student team at all costs, but that this decision should be in the hands of the club captain rather than in the hands of the BUF. I am sure even for a University football team, the club captain would be reluctant to pick the best player in the University for the cup final, if he had played no part in the previous rounds and never turned up for training. In summary then... · There will be no longer be a limit to the experience of a player. · Each student must be a full or part-time internal student on a graduating course at the institution under consideration. Part-time students must be able to demonstrate that their student status is their primary occupation. · Staff and juniors will remain illegible. · If a student is registered at an institution which does not have a team they must play for their geographically nearest team. This final rule will definately remain for the rest of this academic year, although I am of the opinion, that as the number of teams continues to increase and in order to bring us into line with BUSA, this rule should be reviewed in the near future. Limiting a player to being eligible for only their own institution in student tournaments, would encourage the creation of new university teams, which can only be good for the growth of British Ultimate. I would be interested in any comments anyone has on this issue. Thanks for everyones' input, Simon Weeks Student Co-ordinator P.S. A copy of this along with an invitation to the Student Outdoors was put in the post or given to each team at the Indoor Finals at the weekend. Any student team who has not received this information in the next couple of days, please let me know.################################################### sorby hall, endcliffe vale road, sheffield, s10 3es tel. 0114 222 9999 extension 52252 email: gga95sew@sheffield.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Feb 23 20:35:39 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id TAA01766 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 19:35:02 GMT Received: from out5.ibm.net (out5.ibm.net [165.87.194.245]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA01583 for ; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 19:34:07 GMT Received: from crmqtsve (slip139-92-72-112.pa.fr.ibm.net [139.92.72.112]) by out5.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA61890; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 19:34:00 GMT Message-Id: <199802231934.TAA61890@out5.ibm.net> From: "Toby Green" To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk, eurodisc@ira.uka.de Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 19:46:05 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Frostbreaker Results Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Ok, so we were disappointed that Jack failed to show, although Steve 'don't worry I'll sleep on the veranda' Parker may differ in his opinion. This, the first disc golf tourney of the year attracted 28 players, including a number of tyros taking advantage of the leaf-less hazards. At first it looked as though we might have some surprises - leading players like Derek, Sam, and Simon Luard failed to make the lead group after the first round over the Old Course. Sean led the field with a fine 57, three ahead of Conor, Charlie and to everyone's amazement, yours truely. However, the natural order soon re-established itself, and the more testing New Course proves that quality counts, Derek returning with 56 and Simon with 57; Charlie and I finding the rarified air in the lead group too difficult scoring 72 and 71 respectively. [The Greyhound send their best regards and many thanks to everyone for single-handedly ensuring that their February receipts will break all records, and to Sam, in particular, for his self-less contribution, especially the singing.] A windy Sunday ensured that course records would be under no threat, Derek consolidated his position with 61, Simon nipped in front of Sean with a 63, and Conor overhauled Toy to take fourth also with 63. The final nine, essentially played backwards around the central part of course, left Derek the winner on 214, Sean second on 221, Simon on 224, Conor on 225 and Toy on 230. Final scores Derek Robins 179 + 35 Sean Young 184 + 37 Simon Luard 182 + 42 Conor Davies 188 + 37 Andy Lucey 192 + 38 Sam Neilson 195 Richard Sampson 196 Charlie Mead, Robin Scott 198 Bud Tilton 202 Neal Pickett, Toby Green 209 Steve Parker 220 Simon Ailes 223 Spencer Worth, Gavin Ailes 225 Ruth Lissaman, Dan Massey 229 Helen Myers 234 Ali Locke 237 Robin Ailes 244 Paul Knutton, Billy Ault 252 Sam Massey 270 Mark Hunter 229 Also played: Guy Luard (66 and 76); Daniel Luton (87 and 87); Oliver Luton (51, 53 and 49 over nine holes). Next tournament at Whitcombe: British Open, July 18th and 19th. There will be some Open Weekends in June and July where players are welcome to come and spend a weekend helping to get the course improved for the Open in return for time to play. More details later, but if you want to register your interest for these Open Weekends, do let me know. Toby Toby Green 25 rue des Petits Hotels 75010 Paris France +33 1 42 46 41 14 (phone & fax) toby.green@ibm.net From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Feb 24 22:08:45 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id VAA11333 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 21:45:59 GMT Received: from hotmail.com (f90.hotmail.com [207.82.250.196]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA11303 for ; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 21:45:52 GMT Received: (qmail 8166 invoked by uid 0); 24 Feb 1998 21:45:17 -0000 Message-ID: <19980224214517.8165.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 193.60.10.83 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 13:45:17 PST X-Originating-IP: [193.60.10.83] From: "Mwnci See" To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Welsh TV Ultimate Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 13:45:17 PST Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Those of you in Wales might be interested to know that Mwnci See will be making their second TV appeance in a week on Wales Today (BBC1, 6.30?), probably tomorrow (Wednesday). (Sorry not to give notice of the HTV appearance, but they caught us out by broadcasting 1 hour after finishing filming). *************************************** Clwb Ultimate Mwnci See Email: mwnci@hotmail.com Phone: Bisto on 01970 615253 Mail: Ultimate Club, Athletic Union, University of Wales, Aberystwyth, Ceredigion SY23 3BY ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Feb 24 23:26:05 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id XAA20641 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 23:02:52 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.154]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA20620 for ; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 23:02:48 GMT Received: from phidelta.demon.co.uk ([158.152.248.177]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa1027341; 24 Feb 98 22:14 GMT Message-ID: Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 21:44:48 +0000 To: BritDisc From: National Indoors TD Reply-To: Midlands/National Indoors TD Subject: Indoor Nationals: Pools MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Trial Version 3.04 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Pools for Indoor Nationals, 14+15 March 1998, are as follows: A B C D --- --- --- --- 1 2 3 4 6 5 8 7 11 12 9 10 16 15 14 13 17 18 19 20 22 21 24 23 Seedings to follow Chris will be sending out information packs in the near future (with the right postage amount, this time!). All teams should be present for the Captain's meeting. Captain's meeting at 8.45am Games start at 9.00am Wayne -- indoors98@phidelta.demon.co.uk Layout Dreams Midlands Regional Indoors TD National Indoors TD http://www.phidelta.demon.co.uk/nati98/ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Feb 25 04:11:23 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id DAA12016 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 03:51:54 GMT Received: from dryctnath.mmu.ac.uk (dryctnath.mmu.ac.uk [149.170.190.134]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA08788 for ; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 14:23:18 GMT Received: from yorktown.mmu.ac.uk [149.170.132.252] by dryctnath.mmu.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #1) id 0y7LCJ-0002t8-00; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 14:19:03 +0000 Received: from MMU-HOL-YORKTOWN/SpoolDir by yorktown.mmu.ac.uk (Mercury 1.31); 24 Feb 98 14:19:04 GMT Received: from SpoolDir by MMU-HOL-YORKTOWN (Mercury 1.31); 24 Feb 98 14:18:25 GMT From: "Lawrence PAULSON" Organization: Manchester Metropolitan University To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 14:18:22 +GMT Subject: M/cr Lost Property X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <69655721524@yorktown.mmu.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk This is a note for all who attended the student Indoor Finals at Manchester the last weekend. There was enough lost property to open a small branch of Oxfam. Here's some examples.... thigh support (red/blue) elbow pad (blue) pair Nike trainers Oscar Lewis Book from Edinburgh Uni Library white jogging pants (russel athletic) TOPS dark grey sweater (Marc Anthony) black top (zip collar) blue fleece (press studs collar) red sweatshirt ("Branded Sports") grey Levi top blue sweater ("DP") TOWELS white/orange/blue white/gold trim dark blue (fish-star-fish) This is a small selection of what was left. There was too much for me to take home, so if there's anything you lost and want to check if it was found, then call the sports hall: 0161 200 3777. As for returning lost property, if the sports hall can't/won't help contact me and I'll see what I can do. Full tourney report still in the pipeline. Love n Luck Lawrence Tourny Director L.Paulson@mmu.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Feb 25 11:48:03 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id LAA24264 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 11:20:08 GMT Received: from dryctnath.mmu.ac.uk (dryctnath.mmu.ac.uk [149.170.190.134]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA24192 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 11:19:51 GMT Received: from yorktown.mmu.ac.uk [149.170.132.252] by dryctnath.mmu.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #1) id 0y7esJ-0002BV-00; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 11:19:43 +0000 Received: from MMU-HOL-YORKTOWN/SpoolDir by yorktown.mmu.ac.uk (Mercury 1.31); 25 Feb 98 11:19:45 GMT Received: from SpoolDir by MMU-HOL-YORKTOWN (Mercury 1.31); 25 Feb 98 11:19:21 GMT From: "Lawrence PAULSON" Organization: Manchester Metropolitan University To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 11:19:16 +GMT Subject: Student Finals Report X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <6AB5A1E3D0D@yorktown.mmu.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Dear All, Sorry to keep bugging those who weren't there but here's my personal report on the weekend. It's a bit of an epic... This was my first attempt at being Tournament Director, and what I would consider the first REAL Manchester tournament (the previous two were both organised by non-Manchester players). In light of this I probably couldn't have picked a worse tournament to host- not only were there 20 teams arriving, but neither Fingers 6 not Chevvy AF were involved in playing. However, once the considerable headache of finding accomodation for all these teams was sorted, the actually tournament went very well. The venue was top class- a brand new hall, big enough to hold 2 good size pitches, (I even got some comments that I had made the endzones too big!!) and with a balcony and plenty of room off pitch for calls / lazing about. Play on saturday showed up just how close in many of the teams were, with the Southern teams coming up with better results than their more northerly counterparts. At the end of group play, Uriel, Ow1, Skunks1 topped their groups, with Mohawks, Sorcerers and Picnic coming second, whilst the 4th group was 3-way tie (Jedi Children finishing top on points difference, with Mythago and Bears ending 2 and 3). It was then that things started to go strange. The last games on Saturday were the crossovers, which produced the biggest shocks of the tournament. Group winners, and holders of 1st position, Uriel were beaten by one point by Far Flung (16th), Sneeekys (12th) beat Picnic (5th), and Sorcerers beat Midlands champs Bears in a Sunday morning came, held over due to an injury to an Ow player which knocked the schedule back 20 mins (it looked bad, but he was OK on Sunday). So by the time the QF came round, the regional picture had shifted. Now 4 of 8 teams in the top group were Northern sides (3 of whom were Scottish), 2 were from SE and 2 from SW, and none from Midlands. Saturday night was spent at Amigo's Mexican Cantina and 'Home for ChevvyAF Wannabe DJs'. I say spent there, most of my time was spent at home being asleep, but I did pop in for an hour and the sight of a dance floor being transformed into a comedy chase scene merely by the playing of the Benny Hill music will stay with me forever. Sadly though student Ultimate is suffering badly these days from a lack of party spirit. Not only did things peter out at the early time of midnight, but only 550 pounds was taken over the bar (which when there were 20 teams, x average of 8 players, means that taken as a whole- each player drank only 1.5 bottles of Budweiser each). Sunday then saw some suspiciously good play... I've lost some of my notes, but OW beat Mohawks and Mythago beat Sneeekys, whilst Sorcerers and Jedi won their QFs, before winning their SF to leave a all-Northern Final: Sorcerers vs Jedi. The final round games were on a bigger pitch with sidelines- which brought to a particular weekend long worry of mine. The barrier separating the two pitches was only a curtain, and the reckless abandon with which players threw themselves into it, with complete lack of regard for what was going on on the other pitch was quite worrying. (I say quite, because I was trying to philosophical about it all- if players want to risk major injury through lack of caution- then fair enough. Just don't come complaining to me when they end up in hospital). In the final round, Purple Haze topped the Spoon group on points scored, Picnic In The Sky won a sudden death Plate Final. The fantasy frisbee competition was in full effect and so the level of lay-outs, long range hammers and worlds-greatest attempts was high. The final was another close affair- with Sorcerers taking an early 4 point lead, before Jedi woke up and made a fight of it. By time, Sorcerers had kept their lead, Jedi never quite managing to catch up fully or take the lead, and the score was 13-12, and Sorcerers scored the final point cap to make it 14-12 and the championship. At the awards ceremony, Sorcerers proved that Spirit and Success can go hand in hand by winning the Spirit Vote. So that was it, my first tournament as director. Would I do it again? Hmm, maybe. I certainly would only agree to do another if accomodation was sorted out (an outdoors for example, or at least a tournament where my own team was definitely playing). Things I Would Change: I would have a more open schedule, with less playing time and more time for unscheduled delays (and if that means less teams, so be it) I would make sure I got black/yellow pitch markings like I ordered (not just yellow as I received). I would try and get some 'on-site' hot food / drinks. I would give out the prizes myself. I would put boards up between the pitches, as conversely this is less dangerous than having no boards and just a curtain. I would try and keep results / updated schedules posted better than I did. I would leave time for a Captain's Meeting on Saturday AND Sunday mornings (because handed out sheets just are never read). Things I Thought Were Good: The sports hall in general. The attitude of the teams (of course). Having miniature bottles of Spirits as a prize and not one big bottle. Having Ultimate players in charge of the music at the Party. Things I Have Learned: You can never be too prepared. You can never predict everything. You can never underestimate others incompetence. You can never delegate enough. You can never have enough assistants. You can never completely rely on others. You can never completely rely on yourself. You can never please everybody all of the time. I think that wraps it up. Thanks to all the teams who took part, and special thanks to the Fingers players who gave up their weekends to help out. Thanks also to the family and friends who were unable to speak to me all week because the phone was busy and then when I could speak to them I was too busy to do anything. Love n Luck Lawrence Tourny Director and Proud wearer of a New Fingers 6 T-Shirt (which, no bullshit, are actually very nice, after all they were designed by an upandcoming clothing designer). From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Feb 25 13:50:12 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id MAA10665 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 12:34:06 GMT Received: from beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk (beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.129.138]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA10480 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 12:33:20 GMT Received: from cedar.sucs.soton.ac.uk (cedar.sucs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.128.92]) by beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.5/server) with ESMTP id MAA29926 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 12:33:19 GMT Received: from bill (bill.aero.soton.ac.uk [152.78.240.57]) by cedar.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.8/relay-01) with SMTP id MAA13478 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 12:29:32 GMT Message-ID: <34F40F26.4807@soton.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 12:31:34 +0000 From: Paul Schuricht X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (X11; I; SunOS 5.5 sun4c) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: BritDisc Mailing List Subject: work phone no. for adam harras Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi all, Anyone got Adam Harras' work phone no. I need to contact him pretty quickly. cheers Paul From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Feb 26 09:59:44 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id JAA06347 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 09:30:36 GMT Received: from [137.205.222.1] (mac-wie-31 [137.205.222.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA06329 for ; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 09:30:28 GMT Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 09:30:28 GMT X-Sender: serai@mail.csv.warwick.ac.uk Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: Dave Neilson Subject: Is Peter Mandelson the only Spin Doctor? Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hello fellow British Disc players, It seems hard to believe that something as big and controversial as the Millenium Dome hasn't already sparked some posts in our discussion group, so I'll start the ball (No! ... disc) rolling. The plans to build a huge saucer-shaped object in the nation's capital cannot have escaped anyone's notice. There seems to be associated with this centre-piece of Millenium celebration a link to future-gazing as well as the more obvious UFO landings. It hardly takes a giant leap of the imagination to connect the whole enterprise with our very own family of sports. The very thought conjures up phrases such as: ".. flying discs signal the future of sport!" ".. competition with player responsibility built in - a sport for a new age!" ".. sport with morals attached - straight out of Star Trek: The Next Generation!" ".. Ultimate Frisbee *in* the 'Ultimate Frisbee'!" The big question at the moment is "What will be on show under this sparkling new dome which many millions will visit (despite, or even because of, the controversial publicity)?". Well why not some disc sports? Is this an opportunity OR WHAT?! Let the comments and ideas flow ... ... over to our own 'spin doctors'! Sam. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Feb 26 12:42:10 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id LAA00299 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 11:38:05 GMT Received: from apollo.le.ac.uk (apollo.le.ac.uk [143.210.16.125]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA00114 for ; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 11:37:14 GMT Received: from harrier.le.ac.uk by apollo.le.ac.uk with SMTP (local); Thu, 26 Feb 1998 11:38:25 +0000 From: "B. Ravilious" Message-Id: <20918.199802261135@harrier.le.ac.uk> Subject: Is Peter Mandelson the only Spin Doctor? (fwd) To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk (britdisc) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 11:35:53 +0000 (GMT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Forwarded message: > From: Dave Neilson > It seems hard to believe that something as big and controversial as the > Millenium Dome hasn't already sparked some posts in our discussion group, > so I'll start the ball (No! ... disc) rolling. OK Here goes... > The big question at the moment is "What will be on show under this > sparkling new dome which many millions will visit (despite, or even because > of, the controversial publicity)?". Well why not some disc sports? Check out our great leader's recent web press release: http://millennium.greenwich2000.com/millennium/news/news22.htm Of particular concern: "A restful landscape of smooth pebble-shapes strewn across the floor of the Dome," "...If they don't want the lift, they can abseil or slide down, or wear 'Spiderman' suits that stick to the walls and climb down." "...This will consist of a sitting human figure taller than the Statue of Liberty....It is said that the statue will be covered with photographs of children; maybe as many as a million of them. Next to the adult statue will be a baby child into which visitors will also be able to gain access." All of which leaves me thinking: If your going to smoke it, LEGALISE IT! Call me cynical...... > ... over to our own 'spin doctors'! Swivel. Ben Ravilious Minister for Propaganda Department of Mis-information RED Leicester Ultimate Club From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Feb 26 15:22:36 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id OAA07108 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 14:21:04 GMT Received: from pp2.shef.ac.uk (pp2.shef.ac.uk [143.167.1.32]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA06987 for ; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 14:20:39 GMT Received: from snailsden.shef.ac.uk [143.167.123.251] by pp2.shef.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.73 #1) id 0y84Ax-0000TJ-00; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 14:20:39 +0000 Received: from SNAILSDEN/SpoolDir by snailsden.shef.ac.uk (Mercury 1.32); 26 Feb 98 14:20:38 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by SNAILSDEN (Mercury 1.32); 26 Feb 98 14:20:28 +0000 From: "Haggis" To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 14:20:26 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Student Finals Report X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <2A1CDFE77E9@snailsden.shef.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk . Sadly > though student Ultimate is suffering badly these days from a lack of > party spirit. I'm sure the phat 'eds can show others what its all about, hey Al? ....................... cheltnam racecourse...................... ho ho ho..... Well, I'm gonna Boost, see ya! Terry From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Feb 26 16:59:22 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id QAA04151 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 16:03:51 GMT Received: from smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk (smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk [193.114.232.134]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA04114 for ; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 16:03:38 GMT From: Wayne_Retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk Received: from ccMail by smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk (IMA Internet Exchange 2.12 Enterprise) id 00029F66; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 16:07:34 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 16:01:30 +0000 Message-ID: <00029F66.4069@watsonwyatt.co.uk> Subject: Tour II: Food To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Cc: tour2@phidelta.demon.co.uk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk BUF Ultim8 Tour, Event II 18 + 19 April 1998 as per previous events at King Edward's Place, Swindon there will be: - an all day pitchside bar and barbeque serving: hot and cold refreshments (alcoholic, soft, tea, coffee...) and food (normal menu: burgers, hotdogs, veggie-burgers, bacon rolls) - availibility of a cooked dinner on Saturday evening, (approx cost GBP 6.00 to 7.00: September's menu: Chicken Risotto / Vegetarian Pasta / Pasta Bolognese) This time, however, the optional 'Layout Dreams' breakfast package will probably NOT occur. Does anybody have any special requests/useful suggestions for food/drinks: a) to be available from the pitchside bar (eg favourite chocolate bars / energy bars / energy drinks) ? b) to be available from the BBQ (eg wider range of veggie products) ? c) for the Saturday dinner menu ? The more feedback we have, the more tailored towards your needs we can make the event, and the more we can impress Allied Dunbar with the sport and its professionalism Wayne Retter Layout Dreams: Tour II tournament directors tour2@phidelta.demon.co.uk wayne_retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk ________________________________________________________________ Notice of Confidentiality This transmission is intended for the named addressee only. It contains information which may be confidential and which may also be privileged. Unless you are the named addressee (or authorised to receive it for the addressee) you may not copy or use it, or disclose it to anyone else. If you have received this transmission in error please contact: ~admin@watsonwyatt.co.uk or IT Manager: +44(0)1737 241144 Fax: +44(0)1737 241496 Watson Wyatt Partners is regulated by the Institute of Actuaries in the conduct of UK investment business. _________________________________________________________________ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Feb 27 10:20:52 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id JAA00611 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 09:43:15 GMT Received: from smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk (smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk [193.114.232.134]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA00492 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 09:42:47 GMT From: Wayne_Retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk Received: from ccMail by smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk (IMA Internet Exchange 2.12 Enterprise) id 0002A194; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 09:46:21 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 09:39:31 +0000 Message-ID: <0002A194.4069@watsonwyatt.co.uk> Subject: British Airways 2 for 1 offer To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Cc: merrick.cardew@g4tech.co.uk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Haven't seen any TV recently, so don't know if this has been advertised much - apparently I get priority info for being on the BA mailing list (!): British Airways are doing a 2 (Economy class) tickets for the price of 1 offer Collect 9 (NINE) numbered tokens from Daily Mail / Mail on Sunday / Evening Standard Tokens start TOMORROW (Sat 28.02.98) send the tokens and application form away for a voucher and the small print: Bookings, and payment in full, to be made between 09.03.98 and 29.03.98 European trips require minimum stays of Saturday night Other destinations require minimum stays of 7 or 14 nights Some flights require 21 days advance booking Maximum booking is 8 people, with relevant vouchers Flights to be taken between 12.03.98 and 01.05.98 Outbound flights NOT allowed between 03.04.98 and 11.04.98 (you'd have to fly to Dublin on Thursday!) Hope it's useful to somebody! Wayne ________________________________________________________________ Notice of Confidentiality This transmission is intended for the named addressee only. It contains information which may be confidential and which may also be privileged. Unless you are the named addressee (or authorised to receive it for the addressee) you may not copy or use it, or disclose it to anyone else. If you have received this transmission in error please contact: ~admin@watsonwyatt.co.uk or IT Manager: +44(0)1737 241144 Fax: +44(0)1737 241496 Watson Wyatt Partners is regulated by the Institute of Actuaries in the conduct of UK investment business. _________________________________________________________________ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Feb 27 14:33:00 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id NAA16979 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 13:26:30 GMT Received: from oxmail4.ox.ac.uk (oxmail4.ox.ac.uk [163.1.2.33]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA16902 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 13:26:00 GMT Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk by oxmail4 with SMTP (PP) with ESMTP; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 13:25:57 +0000 Received: from localhost (immd0001@localhost) by ermine.ox.ac.uk (1.1/8.8.3) with SMTP id NAA27774 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 13:25:36 GMT Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 13:25:35 +0000 (GMT) From: paul meaney To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: UTI training next saturday. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk to all UTI players who are competing indoors. as there is a UTI training session anyways in witney on saturday the 7th (so I'm told), would any of you folks fancy an indoor game against Shrub, just down the road in Oxford? email me or drop me a line on: 01865 792 992 cheers all, Paul //////////////////////////////////\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ ****************************************************************************** Kryten: sir, you must forgive Mr Rimmer, he's suffering from a stress- related nervous disorder Lister: Next time I see him he'll be suffering from a fist- related teeth disorder ****************************************************************************** \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\//////////////////////////////////////////// From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Feb 27 15:10:31 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id OAA28865 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 14:15:14 GMT Received: from exchpk01.chelt.ac.uk (exchpk01.chelt.ac.uk [194.66.194.228]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA28719 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 14:14:49 GMT Received: by exchpk01.chelt.ac.uk with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD4389.FC4DA750@exchpk01.chelt.ac.uk>; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 14:14:15 -0000 Message-ID: From: "HUGHES, Chris" To: Britdisc Cc: Wayne , Wayne Davey Subject: Nationals Info Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 14:13:00 -0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id OAA28778 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk To all Qualifiers for national indoors, I am sending out all the information today, you should recieve the pack, unless your name is one the list of people whose contact address I don't have. You will also need o return a cheque for £75 made payable to Layout Dreams to my address in the info pack. If you have any problems contact me or Wayne Retter. Info for: Druids: Karl Mann UTI: Wayne Davey Punks: Si Weeks (geek) Red: Scott Village: Jim McDonnell Whiplash: Mark Jefferson BAF: Morrick Cardew Lurkers: Dan Shrub: Mean Pauley Ow! 1: Alexis Ow! 2: Alexis Chevron 1: Chevron HQ Chevron 2: Chevron HQ Skunks: Tim Woolford No Contact For: Jedi Children Zebedee Bradford Discult Mild Mannered Janitors (Rik Shipleys address????) Mohawks Awainting results From Scottish region If you know any of these teams or their addressess, contact them or me. If I can't give them the info they can't get here. Chris From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Feb 27 16:16:30 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id PAA12440 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 15:14:52 GMT Received: from wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk (bee.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk [131.111.48.99]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA12376 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 15:14:33 GMT Received: by wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk (UK-Smail 3.1.25.1/15) id ; Fri, 27 Feb 98 15:14 GMT Message-Id: Date: Fri, 27 Feb 98 15:14 GMT From: mackay@mrao.cam.ac.uk (David J.C. MacKay) To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: GB masters -- sunday 8th march Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi all as far as I know, there ought to be a GB masters practice in Witney at 11am on Sunday 8 March. Calling all old codgers, come in please! David ========================================================================== David J.C. MacKay email: mackay@mrao.cam.ac.uk www: http://wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk/mackay/ Cavendish Laboratory, tel: (01223) 339852 fax: 354599 home: 276411 Madingley Road, international code: +44 1223 Cambridge CB3 0HE. U.K. room: 982 Rutherford Building From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Feb 27 22:29:30 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id VAA06860 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 21:30:19 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (ehp-2.mail.demon.net [193.195.0.155]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA06827 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 21:30:05 GMT Received: from phidelta.demon.co.uk ([158.152.248.177]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa0213005; 27 Feb 98 21:30 GMT Message-ID: Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 21:28:31 +0000 To: frisbee@soton.ac.uk, BritDisc From: National Indoors TD Subject: Re: BFDF Events Reminder (fwd) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Trial Version 3.04 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Due to the nature of the Indoor Regionals and Nationals being ROSTERED (honest - the Regional TD should have taken rosters from your teams !), anyone who played for a team at Regionals that did not qualify for Nationals CANNOT play, unless they want to get the team disqualified! You can bring the original qualifying team members, and anyone who DIDN'T play at Regionals Wayne Retter > Saturday 14th March 1998 > > National Indoors (2 days) > [Indoor Ultimate] -- indoors98@phidelta.demon.co.uk Layout Dreams Midlands Regional Indoors TD National Indoors TD http://www.phidelta.demon.co.uk/nati98/ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sat Feb 28 10:22:32 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id KAA21611 for britdisc-outgoing; Sat, 28 Feb 1998 10:05:57 GMT Received: from monsoon.dial.pipex.net (monsoon.dial.pipex.net [158.43.128.69]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA21605 for ; Sat, 28 Feb 1998 10:05:55 GMT Received: (qmail 7142 invoked from network); 28 Feb 1998 10:05:54 -0000 Received: from user5.max34.msn-uk.pipex.com (HELO bkbvmhcx) (193.149.77.5) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 28 Feb 1998 10:05:54 -0000 Message-ID: <000001bd4396$739bfd00$054d95c1@bkbvmhcx> Reply-To: "Matthew.Lowe" From: "Matthew.Lowe" To: Subject: Hello Everybody Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 15:41:44 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01BD4396.34AF48E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BD4396.34AF48E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yellow Everybody, Anyone in the Loughborough, Leics area who would like to join a new = Ultimate team please contact Matt Lowe at Matthew.Lowe@Dial.Pipex.com ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BD4396.34AF48E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yellow Everybody,
    Anyone in=20 the Loughborough, Leics area who would like to join a new Ultimate team = please=20 contact Matt Lowe at Matthew.Lowe@Dial.Pipex.com
 
------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BD4396.34AF48E0-- From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sat Feb 28 14:56:51 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id OAA08896 for britdisc-outgoing; Sat, 28 Feb 1998 14:24:34 GMT Received: from amsta.leeds.ac.uk (amsta.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA08881 for ; Sat, 28 Feb 1998 14:24:27 GMT Received: from jerzy.leeds.amsta (jerzy.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.33]) by amsta.leeds.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA21062 for ; Sat, 28 Feb 1998 14:25:11 GMT Received: by jerzy.leeds.amsta (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id OAA26876; Sat, 28 Feb 1998 14:23:52 GMT Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 14:23:52 GMT From: amtsjh@amsta.leeds.ac.uk (S J Hill) Message-Id: <199802281423.OAA26876@jerzy.leeds.amsta> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: TOUR ENTRY - important X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk ULTIM-8 TOUR 1998 ----------------- 1. I've just put invitations in the post - so your team contact should get them on Monday or Tuesday. Obviously we are a bit pushed for time with the first tournament being at the end of March - so please enter quickly! 2. You will also receive info from the tournament directors soon. In particular you'll get something about LEicester any day now I suspect. 3. If your contact details are wrong - you may find the info does not get to you - so you'll have to get in touch with me if you haven't got anything by mid-week. 4. MYTHAGO and ALBATROSS: there is no contact address on the contact list! (Don't know why.) **Please get in touch if you want an entry form.** (Same goes for anyone else who doesn't receive an entry form...) 5. Just so that you are prepared: entering each tournament will require a deposit of 15 GBP to be sent to Dora Kemp (like last year). You don't have to enter all 5 right now of course. IF you are going to be a rostered team then either include your roster with the entry form or send it directly to me. (I presume that people will only do that if they want to send the roster by email.) Hopefully the entry form will suffice as an invoice for those student teams that require an invoice. ITS ALL EXPLAINED IN THE PACK. see you soon Si ps - a few things have changed from last year, so please read the rules. ALL THE RULES WILL BE ENFORCED MORE STRICTLY THAN THEY WERE IN 1997. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sun Mar 1 16:30:27 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id PAA18273 for britdisc-outgoing; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 15:29:42 GMT Received: from amsta.leeds.ac.uk (amsta.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA18254 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 15:29:35 GMT Received: from newton.leeds.amsta (newton.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.64]) by amsta.leeds.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA06704 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 15:30:19 GMT Received: by newton.leeds.amsta (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id PAA29954; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 15:31:05 GMT Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 15:31:05 GMT From: amtsjh@amsta.leeds.ac.uk (S J Hill) Message-Id: <199803011531.PAA29954@newton.leeds.amsta> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: calling OXFORD players X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk apologies to people who are now receiving their 10th email from me this w/e... this is the last one! OXFORD PLAYERS: Its not entirely clear (to me) what teams are happening in Oxford this season. If there is a team rising from the ashes of Sharks, Monks, and last year's Oxford team: please let me know. (So that I can send you the Tour Entry form stuff.) Thanks Si From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sun Mar 1 19:53:02 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id TAA10396 for britdisc-outgoing; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 19:00:17 GMT Received: from wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk (bee.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk [131.111.48.99]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA10378 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 19:00:04 GMT Received: by wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk (UK-Smail 3.1.25.1/15) id ; Sun, 1 Mar 98 18:59 GMT Message-Id: Date: Sun, 1 Mar 98 18:59 GMT From: mackay@mrao.cam.ac.uk (David J.C. MacKay) To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: GB Masters Cc: mackay@mrao.cam.ac.uk Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Anyone who is not on the list below and who should be, please send me an email. All GB team captains, if there is a codger or two on your team, please pass this message to them. List of codgers and codgettes over 30 years old, interested in Masters practices and/or in playing at WUCC 98. ----------------------------------------------------------- Charlie Mead c.mead@midnet.com Simon Church simonchurch@sdc1.demon.co.uk Sam D.P.Neilson@warwick.ac.uk Toby Green t.green@ZETNET.co.uk Neil Travers neil@dreamer.demon.co.uk Batty batty@geosys.co.uk Guy Kennet guy.kennet@meuk.mee.com R Saunders RJSaunders@compuserve.com Patch Patrick.Winser@merchants.co.uk David MacKay mackay@mrao.cam.ac.uk Mike Schell mjs54@cus.cam.ac.uk alan.baldwin alan.baldwin@oml.ericsson.se Wayne Davey wmd4@student.open.ac.uk Graham Mynott (Beege) <<<<<<< contact information needed John Schoch Nolan enq@daletaylor.co.uk Malcom Lee Max Keogh max@stures.demon.co.uk ----------------- GB masters web page is here http://wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk/ultimate/gbm/ Next GB masters practice: Sunday March 8th in Witney at 11am Yours David From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sun Mar 1 21:47:40 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id UAA22068 for britdisc-outgoing; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 20:51:00 GMT Received: from hotmail.com (f59.hotmail.com [207.82.250.145]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA22047 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 20:50:49 GMT Received: (qmail 7118 invoked by uid 0); 1 Mar 1998 20:49:53 -0000 Message-ID: <19980301204953.7117.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 137.222.1.7 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sun, 01 Mar 1998 12:49:52 PST X-Originating-IP: [137.222.1.7] From: "Robert Cole" To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: To Village people Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 12:49:52 PST Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Sorry everyone else about this but... Could someone from Village please contact me ASAP, it's very urgent. Please either email me (robert_cole@hotmail.com) or phone 0117 9237410. Thanks in advance, Rob Cole ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Mar 2 08:01:52 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id HAA00759 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 07:47:08 GMT Received: from gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (ralf@gem [137.205.227.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA00746 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 07:47:02 GMT Received: (from ralf@localhost) by gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.7) id HAA20677 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 07:47:01 GMT Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 07:47:01 GMT From: Ranulf Doswell Message-Id: <199803020747.HAA20677@gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: BFDF Events Reminder Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk British Flying Disc Federation Disc Events Diary ------------------------------------------------ The events list can also be found at http://www.dcs.warwick.ac.uk/~ralf/bfdf/ ---------- Wednesday 4th March 1998 Scottish League (1 day) [Outdoor Ultimate] URL: http://www.ed.ac.uk/~ultimate/ Saturday 7th March 1998 "Spring into Action" 1998 (2 days) @ University of Warwick (TBC) [Women's Outdoor Ultimate] Cost: 45 GBP per team (incl. BUF tax), cheques payable to Sue Underwood. SAT- 11am for 11:30 start Finish approx 5.30pm SUN- 9.30/10 start Finish approx 3.00pm Contact Sue Underwood Sunday 8th March 1998 GB Training (Open, Women and Masters) (1 day) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 14th March 1998 National Indoors (2 days) [Indoor Ultimate] Due to the nature of the Indoor Regionals and Nationals being ROSTERED (honest - the Regional TD should have taken rosters from your teams !), anyone who played for a team at Regionals that did not qualify for Nationals CANNOT play, unless they want to get the team disqualified! You can bring the original qualifying team members, and anyone who DIDN'T play at Regionals Contact Wayne Davey Email wmd4@student.open.ac.uk Phone 01225 462212 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Quarry Park, Warwickshire [Golf] Saturday 21st March 1998 Squaws (1 day) @ University of Sussex Sports Centre [Women's Indoor Ultimate] Cost: GBP40 per team Contact Kate Sygrove Address 110 Hythe Road Brighton East Sussex Email hcui1@central.susx.ac.uk Phone 01273 500234 Saturday 28th March 1998 Tour I (2 days) (Provisional) @ Leicester (TBC) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 4th April 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Ashton Court, Bristol [Golf] Dublin (2 days) TBC [Ultimate] Contact Gareth McFeely Email garreth.mcfeely@iveagh.irlgov.ie Sunday 12th April 1998 GB Training (Open, Women and Masters) (1 day) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 18th April 1998 Tour II (2 days) @ Swidon [Outdoor Ultimate] TD Layout Dreams Email tour2@phidelta.demon.co.uk URL http://www.phidelta.demon.co.uk/u8-98/tour2/ Saturday 25th April 1998 Warwick Indoors (2 days) [Indoor Ultimate] Contact Jim Ayrton Email stuly@csv.warwick.ac.uk URL http://www.csv.warwick.ac.uk/~suaaz/ Saturday 2nd May 1998 GB Training (Open and Women) (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Scottish Open, Isle of Mull [Golf] Student Outdoors (2 days) @ Leicester [Students' Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Simon Weeks Email gga95sew@sheffield.ac.uk Phone 0114 222 9999 ext 52252 Saturday 9th May 1998 Tour III (2 days) (Provisional) @ Birmingham [Outdoor Ultimate] TD Charlie Mead Thursday 21st May 1998 Rotterdam (4 days) [Outdoor Ultimate Abroad] Saturday 30th May 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) TBC @ Hayling Island, Southampton [Golf] WizOpen '98 (3 days) @ Geneva [Outdoor Ultimate Abroad] URL: http://www.wizards.ch/WizOpen.htm Contact Yves Maumary Email speedy@wizards.ch Saturday 6th June 1998 Fiesta (2 days) TBC [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 13th June 1998 GB Training (Open and Women) (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Quarry Park, Warwickshire [Golf] Saturday 20th June 1998 Tour IV (2 days) @ Southampton [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 4th July 1998 GB Training (Open and Women) (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 11th July 1998 Tour V (2 days) (Provisional) [Outdoor Ultimate] Date reserved (2 days) Saturday 18th July 1998 Date reserved (2 days) BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Whitcombe, Dorset [Golf] Saturday 25th July 1998 GB Training (Open and Women) (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 8th August 1998 GB Training (Open and Women) (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Friday 14th August 1998 Worlds (10 days) [Outdoor Ultimate Abroad] Saturday 15th August 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Essex University [Golf] Saturday 29th August 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) TBC @ Perth or Edinburgh [Golf] Friday 11th September 1998 BUF Open (3 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 19th September 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Burnlaw, Horthumberland [Golf] Saturday 26th September 1998 Nationals 98 (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 24th October 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Whitcombe, Dorset [Golf Handicap] ---------------------------------------------------------- British Flying Disc Federation Disc Events Diary http://www.dcs.warwick.ac.uk/~ralf/bfdf/ Ranulf Doswell, ralf@dcs.warwick.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Mar 3 14:45:32 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id OAA29117 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 14:06:30 GMT Received: from lismore.cc.strath.ac.uk (lismore.cc.strath.ac.uk [130.159.248.18]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA29045 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 14:06:13 GMT Received: from skye.cc.strath.ac.uk [130.159.62.9] by lismore.cc.strath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.73 #2) id 0y9sJH-0002xE-00; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 14:04:43 +0000 Received: (from bau96188@localhost) by skye.cc.strath.ac.uk (SMI-8.6/8.6.12) id OAA26347 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 14:03:47 GMT From: "Leigh.Simmons" Message-Id: <199803031403.OAA26347@skye.cc.strath.ac.uk> Subject: Irish Waves To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 14:03:47 +0000 () X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk A trip to the Dublin tournie in April, seems like the ideal oppurtunity to sample the delights of some Irish surf. If anyone can recommend some good breaks to head for (preferably not at the other end of the country) please let me know. Or if you fancy coming along you`re welcome, only problem is you`ll need your own wheels- my cars full up. Cheers, Leigh, THE SOURCE From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Mar 4 21:07:10 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id UAA02883 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 20:43:27 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA02871 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 20:43:23 GMT Received: from phidelta.demon.co.uk ([158.152.248.177]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa2008401; 4 Mar 98 20:41 GMT Message-ID: Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 20:29:23 +0000 To: "Whitehead, David" , BritDisc Cc: Merrick Cardew From: Tour II TD Subject: Re: Tour 2 In-Reply-To: <171F48AFED8BD011BB3200A024B794420181203D@gsln03e.et.gs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Trial Version 3.04 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Apologies for no information being broadcast as yet, I've been finalising a few details, but we're just about all sorted now. Tour II, Swindon, 18 + 19 April 1998 cost: GBP 80.00 per team (plus tax/deposit sent seperately to BUF) payable to: LAYOUT DREAMS mailed to: 17 Burnham Drive, Reigate, Surrey RH2 9HD I also require a full set of contact details for whoever's in charge of your entry. (see the entry form) all this and a little more is on the tournament website... Paper invitations should go into the post next week (?) >I'd like to sign up for Tour 2. How much will it cost, and where do I > send the money? Wayne Retter -- Tour II TD tour2@phidelta.demon.co.uk http://www.phidelta.demon.co.uk/u8-98/tour2/ Layout Dreams From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Mar 5 09:36:30 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id JAA05292 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 09:20:10 GMT Received: from dryctnath.mmu.ac.uk (dryctnath.mmu.ac.uk [149.170.190.134]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA05245 for ; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 09:19:57 GMT Received: from turing.ayt.stu.mmu.ac.uk [149.170.30.2] by dryctnath.mmu.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #1) id 0yAWol-0003vQ-00; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 09:19:55 +0000 Received: from MMU-MAN-TURING/SpoolDir by turing.ayt.stu.mmu.ac.uk (Mercury 1.32); 5 Mar 98 09:19:56 GMT0BST Received: from SpoolDir by MMU-MAN-TURING (Mercury 1.32); 5 Mar 98 09:19:23 GMT0BST From: "nadia" <64026159@mmu.ac.uk> Organization: Manchester Metropolitan University (MANSTU-IBU) To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 09:19:14 GMT0BST MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: chevvy&f6 Reply-to: 64026159@mmu.ac.uk X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.53/R1) Message-ID: <14680306813@turing.ayt.stu.mmu.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk sorry to use britdisc as an aid to social organisation but... chevvy, f6 etc there is a party on tuesday 10th march @the attic (oxford road) from 22.00, revolution beforehand for vodka etc....reason...coz it'll be fun... tickets from me at practice or around.... cheers nads ================================================================== nads: 0498 525 591 0161 256 2107 64026159@mmu.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Mar 5 10:43:00 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id KAA19337 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 10:20:17 GMT Received: from venus.le.ac.uk (pp@venus.le.ac.uk [143.210.16.123]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA19301 for ; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 10:20:05 GMT Received: from harrier.le.ac.uk by venus.le.ac.uk with SMTP (local); Thu, 5 Mar 1998 10:19:06 +0000 From: "B. Ravilious" Message-Id: <17013.199803051018@harrier.le.ac.uk> Subject: Tour 1 Entry Details To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk (britdisc) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 10:18:57 +0000 (GMT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi all You should find the Tour 1 (Leicester) Entry Details hitting your doormats either tomorrow or Saturday. Unlike certain other tournament directors, I wont be posting these on the net until everyone has had their postal copy (probably monday). Remember to get your BUF Deposits in ASAP! OK? Ben Ravilious Tour 1 TD RED Leicester (a.k.a. PAY-OUT DREAMS) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Mar 5 12:06:13 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id LAA07078 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 11:46:30 GMT Received: from amsta.leeds.ac.uk (amsta.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA07042 for ; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 11:46:22 GMT Received: from newton.leeds.amsta (newton.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.64]) by amsta.leeds.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA18841 for ; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 11:47:08 GMT Received: by newton.leeds.amsta (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA13060; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 11:48:00 GMT Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 11:48:00 GMT From: amtsjh@amsta.leeds.ac.uk (S J Hill) Message-Id: <199803051148.LAA13060@newton.leeds.amsta> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: CONTACT details - some are out of date... X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Some people have been in touch to say that they haven't received the tour info. Sometimes the contact list does not have the correct information - IF YOUR TEAM CONTACT CHANGES, OR MOVES... you need to tell Simon Church, the BUF Secretary, who keeps this information in a list for people who want to invite teams to tournaments. Si's email is SimonChurch@sdc1.demon.co.uk In the mean time, if you haven't received something by now I would think there is a problem. Get in touch with me. In particular, I have my doubts about the address that I used for the following teams. (If you are on this list I would appreciate it if you could let me know if you have got the info - if you haven't you could try getting it from wherever last year's contact address was!) New details have been sent to: Chaos, Phat'Eds, Picnic in the Sky. Doubts about: Flying Sorcerers, Hot Stamp Rejects, Mud Culture, Sneeeky's, Superfly. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Mar 5 15:43:25 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id OAA07598 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 14:23:47 GMT Received: from ultra2.aber.ac.uk (ultra2.aber.ac.uk [144.124.16.18]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA07558 for ; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 14:23:42 GMT Received: from pccdcb.ccu.aber.ac.uk (pccdcb) [144.124.17.159] by ultra2.aber.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.80 #1) id 0yAbYh-0005K0-00; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 14:23:40 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980305142342.00904710@pophost.aber.ac.uk> X-Sender: jag6@pophost.aber.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 14:23:42 +0000 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: JOHN ALEXANDER GARRETT Subject: GB Women Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi, Can anyone tell me the contact details for GB Women? I think Sue is in charge! Cheers Bisto From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Mar 5 17:51:09 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id RAA21221 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 17:33:16 GMT Received: from pp2.shef.ac.uk (pp2.shef.ac.uk [143.167.1.32]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA21186; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 17:33:10 GMT Received: from pebley.shef.ac.uk [143.167.79.249] by pp2.shef.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.73 #1) id 0yAeVz-0003jK-00; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 17:33:03 +0000 Received: from PEBLEY/SpoolDir by pebley.shef.ac.uk (Mercury 1.32); 5 Mar 98 17:33:02 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by PEBLEY (Mercury 1.32); 5 Mar 98 17:32:56 +0000 From: "Simon Weeks" To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk, All.University.Ultimate.Teams@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 17:32:55 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: STUDENTS - Regional Student Leagues X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <532CD423301@pebley.shef.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi Student People, I'm sure you have already heard about the Scottish League. Almost all the teams are playing regularly and they are trying to get Scottish University Sports Federation recognition, which hopefully will: 1. Increase the number of teams in Scotland 2. Make applications to the Sports Council and BUSA easier for the whole of ultimate, and generally increase awareness and recognition of the sport 3. Make it easier to get money from our Universities. They are really enjoying it, as they get a serious game on a regular basis and lots of experience for their student players. At present they are even looking to expand this to have a B-league which will give even more players the chance to play in the league and practice those silky skills. Therefore I would like to see something similar going on in other regions. As I understand it there are indoor fixtures going on in the Midlands at the moment. I'm not sure whether they have plans to go outside or not. In the North it is likely we will have a weekend mini tournament and a couple of one-off friendlies. In the South as far as I know nothing is happening. So come on, universities really are the key to the growth of the sport at the moment. I know exams will soon be upon us, but let's have a little regional outdoor season, even if it is only a weekend mini tournament or a couple of one-off friendlies. It will all help the three objectives that they are attempting to achieve in Scotland. If you want any help contacting teams in your region or setting up a mini tournament let me know. Keep up the good work, Simon Weeks Student Coordinator From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Mar 5 18:36:33 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id SAA29056 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 18:14:46 GMT Received: from admin.warwick.ac.uk (sigma [137.205.249.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA29047 for ; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 18:14:43 GMT Received: from SIGMA/MERCURY by admin.warwick.ac.uk (Mercury 1.21); 5 Mar 98 18:14:47 +0000 Received: from MERCURY by SIGMA (Mercury 1.21); 5 Mar 98 18:14:21 +0000 From: "Derek Robins" Organization: University of Warwick, CV4 7AL, UK To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 18:14:18 +0000 (GMT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Disc Golf Message-ID: <7E9C0D00EF@admin.warwick.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk BDGA Tour 1 Quarry Park, Leamington Spa March 14/15 Details of this tournament are in the post to BDGA members. Non-BDGA members are also welcome, but the entry fee is one pound extra. Please contact me if you are not in the disc golf association but are interested in trying out disc golf and would like to attend this tournament or any other. Del *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*- Derek Robins | | D.J.Robins@admin.warwick.ac.uk Finance Office | | Tel 01203 522710 University of Warwick | | Fax 01203 524573 Coventry CV4 7AL | | Home 01926 864136 *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*- From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Mar 5 19:50:49 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id TAA11723 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 19:32:58 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-10.mail.demon.net [193.195.0.154]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA11687 for ; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 19:32:44 GMT Received: from cepheid.demon.co.uk ([194.222.121.62]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa1029485; 5 Mar 98 19:30 GMT Message-ID: <8Y0mDDARzv$0EwHz@cepheid.demon.co.uk> Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 19:28:17 +0000 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: "Steven J. Bridle" Subject: Dublin Pickups MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Version 3.03a Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk If anyone is going to the Dublin Tournament in April, but has not got a team to play for... The Lurkers ( a Croydon based team ) are going to Dublin, and are looking for a few more players. If you're interested in playing for them, you can contact the team captain via this email address : lurker@cepheid.demon.co.uk We look forward to hearing from you.... -- Stevie B. LURKER. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Mar 5 22:19:17 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id WAA00538 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 22:05:36 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-10.mail.demon.net [193.195.0.154]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA00532 for ; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 22:05:33 GMT Received: from phidelta.demon.co.uk ([158.152.248.177]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa1018730; 5 Mar 98 21:54 GMT Message-ID: Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 21:15:26 +0000 To: BritDisc From: National Indoors TD Subject: National Indoors: Directions Error! MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Trial Version 3.04 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk For those of you coming from "London/South" Chris hasn't corrected his directions since Regionals You need to take M4 J15 if you want the A419/417 to Cirencester/Cheltenham ...unless you really want to go the Bristol and then follow the signs to the A419 via the M5 ? Wayne -- indoors98@phidelta.demon.co.uk Layout Dreams Midlands Regional Indoors TD National Indoors TD http://www.phidelta.demon.co.uk/nati98/ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Mar 6 17:56:16 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id QAA10124 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 16:25:43 GMT Received: from crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk (hyuio@crocus-fddi [137.205.4.6]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA10062 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 16:25:27 GMT Received: from localhost (hyuio@localhost) by crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA07038; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 16:25:22 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk: hyuio owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 16:25:21 +0000 (GMT) From: Ms S E Gibbons X-Sender: hyuio@crocus To: Ranulf Doswell cc: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Accomodation for Women's Tournament In-Reply-To: <199803020747.HAA20677@gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk If anyone needs accomodation for the Warwick "Spring into Action" women's tournament this weekend please get in touch with either: Sarah Gibbons 01203 523 523 ex. 25224 email hyuio@csv.warwick.ac.uk Or: Sarah Kirwan 01926 316725 At the moment we've got plenty of floor space. Look forward to seeing you all this weekend, Sarah From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Mar 6 22:20:53 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id WAA08019 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 22:04:33 GMT Received: from wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk (wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk [131.111.48.24]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA08013 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 22:04:30 GMT Received: by wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk (UK-Smail 3.1.25.1/15) id ; Fri, 6 Mar 98 22:04 GMT Message-Id: Date: Fri, 6 Mar 98 22:04 GMT From: mackay@mrao.cam.ac.uk (David J.C. MacKay) To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: going to witney this sunday? Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk old codger would appreciate lift from oxford to witney if anyone can offer. I'm staying in Headington. Could be waiting at the angel and greyhound at 9.45, or whatever is convenient. Thanks David M wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk/ultimate/gbm/ ========================================================================== David J.C. MacKay email: mackay@mrao.cam.ac.uk www: http://wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk/mackay/ Cavendish Laboratory, tel: (01223) 339852 fax: 354599 home: 276411 Madingley Road, international code: +44 1223 Cambridge CB3 0HE. U.K. room: 982 Rutherford Building From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Mar 6 22:48:18 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id WAA10646 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 22:35:39 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-10.mail.demon.net [193.195.0.154]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA10641 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 22:35:37 GMT Received: from berty.demon.co.uk ([158.152.89.53]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa1019567; 6 Mar 98 22:22 GMT Subject: Delete me from britdisc Date: Fri, 6 Mar 98 22:23:29 +0000 x-sender: berty@pop3.demon.co.uk x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: Frank Vachell Philpot To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk MMDF-Warning: Parse error in original version of preceding line at post.mail.demon.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Message-ID: <889222932.1019567.0@berty.demon.co.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Thanks Bye From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Mar 9 08:08:47 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id HAA23769 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 07:47:03 GMT Received: from gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (ralf@gem [137.205.227.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA23760 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 07:47:01 GMT Received: (from ralf@localhost) by gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA02568 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 07:47:01 GMT Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 07:47:01 GMT From: Ranulf Doswell Message-Id: <199803090747.HAA02568@gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: BFDF Events Reminder Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk British Flying Disc Federation Disc Events Diary ------------------------------------------------ The events list can also be found at http://www.dcs.warwick.ac.uk/~ralf/bfdf/ ---------- Saturday 14th March 1998 National Indoors (2 days) [Indoor Ultimate] Due to the nature of the Indoor Regionals and Nationals being ROSTERED (honest - the Regional TD should have taken rosters from your teams !), anyone who played for a team at Regionals that did not qualify for Nationals CANNOT play, unless they want to get the team disqualified! You can bring the original qualifying team members, and anyone who DIDN'T play at Regionals Contact Wayne Davey Email wmd4@student.open.ac.uk Phone 01225 462212 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Quarry Park, Warwickshire [Golf] Saturday 21st March 1998 Squaws (1 day) @ University of Sussex Sports Centre [Women's Indoor Ultimate] Cost: GBP40 per team Contact Kate Sygrove Address 110 Hythe Road Brighton East Sussex Email hcui1@central.susx.ac.uk Phone 01273 500234 Saturday 28th March 1998 Tour I (2 days) @ Leicester [Outdoor Ultimate] TD Ben Ravilious Email br5@leicester.ac.uk Saturday 4th April 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Ashton Court, Bristol [Golf] Dublin (2 days) TBC [Ultimate] Contact Gareth McFeely Email garreth.mcfeely@iveagh.irlgov.ie Sunday 12th April 1998 GB Training (Open, Women and Masters) (1 day) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 18th April 1998 Tour II (2 days) @ Swidon [Outdoor Ultimate] Cost: GBP 80.00 per team (plus tax/deposit sent seperately to BUF) URL: http://www.phidelta.demon.co.uk/u8-98/tour2/ Cheque payable to LAYOUT DREAMS, mailed to 17 Burnham Drive, Reigate, Surrey RH2 9HD TD Layout Dreams Email tour2@phidelta.demon.co.uk URL http://www.phidelta.demon.co.uk/ Saturday 25th April 1998 Warwick Indoors (2 days) [Indoor Ultimate] Contact Jim Ayrton Email stuly@csv.warwick.ac.uk URL http://www.csv.warwick.ac.uk/~suaaz/ Saturday 2nd May 1998 GB Training (Open and Women) (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Scottish Open, Isle of Mull [Golf] Student Outdoors (2 days) @ Leicester [Students' Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Simon Weeks Email gga95sew@sheffield.ac.uk Phone 0114 222 9999 ext 52252 Saturday 9th May 1998 Tour III (2 days) @ Birmingham [Outdoor Ultimate] TD Charlie Mead Thursday 21st May 1998 Rotterdam (4 days) [Outdoor Ultimate Abroad] Saturday 30th May 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) TBC @ Hayling Island, Southampton [Golf] WizOpen '98 (3 days) @ Geneva [Outdoor Ultimate Abroad] URL: http://www.wizards.ch/WizOpen.htm Contact Yves Maumary Email speedy@wizards.ch Saturday 6th June 1998 Fiesta (2 days) TBC [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 13th June 1998 GB Training (Open and Women) (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Quarry Park, Warwickshire [Golf] Saturday 20th June 1998 Tour IV (2 days) @ Southampton [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 4th July 1998 GB Training (Open and Women) (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 11th July 1998 Tour V (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Date reserved (2 days) Saturday 18th July 1998 Date reserved (2 days) BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Whitcombe, Dorset [Golf] Saturday 25th July 1998 GB Training (Open and Women) (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 8th August 1998 GB Training (Open and Women) (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Friday 14th August 1998 Worlds (10 days) [Outdoor Ultimate Abroad] Saturday 15th August 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Essex University [Golf] Saturday 29th August 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) TBC @ Perth or Edinburgh [Golf] Friday 11th September 1998 BUF Open (3 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 19th September 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Burnlaw, Horthumberland [Golf] Saturday 26th September 1998 Nationals 98 (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 24th October 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Whitcombe, Dorset [Golf Handicap] ---------------------------------------------------------- British Flying Disc Federation Disc Events Diary http://www.dcs.warwick.ac.uk/~ralf/bfdf/ Ranulf Doswell, ralf@dcs.warwick.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Mar 9 10:31:37 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id KAA15696 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 10:17:37 GMT Received: from venus.le.ac.uk (pp@venus.le.ac.uk [143.210.16.123]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA15687 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 10:17:35 GMT Received: from harrier.le.ac.uk by venus.le.ac.uk with SMTP (local); Mon, 9 Mar 1998 10:16:52 +0000 Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 10:16:51 +0000 (GMT) From: "B. Ravilious" X-Sender: br5@harrier To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: TOUR 1 INVITE Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Dear Team Contact This is your invitation to BUF Tour 1, A.K.A.: "SMACK MY PITCH UP" Venue: Victoria Park, Leicester Pitches: 9 + Marquee/Tent Showers: Leicester University Sleep: Floors/B&B/Hotels - No Camping limited floor space: PHONE DUNCAN on 0116 2530954 - 1st come 1st served! Party: PJ Baker & Leicester Allstars Fee: 80 quid Payable to RED ULTIMATE CLUB More Info: www.ultimateweb.co.uk/red/ Post your cheque to: Leicester Ultimate Club PO BOX 1075 Leicester LE2 1YQ And remember... If you haven't paid your BUF Deposit you won't get in (unless we like you). You know you want to! ================================================================================ Ben Ravilious, (0116) 2559638 home br5@le.ac.uk (0116) 2525824 work ORACLE Trial Playing Ultimate for RED University of Leicester www.ultimateweb.co.uk/red/ ================================================================================ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Mar 9 13:08:06 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id MAA21395 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 12:50:09 GMT Received: from pp2.shef.ac.uk (pp2.shef.ac.uk [143.167.1.32]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA21383 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 12:50:05 GMT Received: from pebley.shef.ac.uk [143.167.79.249] by pp2.shef.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.73 #1) id 0yC20K-0000er-00; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 12:50:04 +0000 Received: from PEBLEY/SpoolDir by pebley.shef.ac.uk (Mercury 1.32); 9 Mar 98 12:50:03 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by PEBLEY (Mercury 1.32); 9 Mar 98 12:49:48 +0000 From: "Simon Weeks" To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 12:49:47 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Indoor Tournaments '99 X-mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.31 Message-ID: <58E1C8D1B00@pebley.shef.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Despite the a great deal of hard work Wayne Davey put into setting up the National Indoor Qualifiers we still ended up with no SE regional this year. However it is all going to change next year?!! Already two bids have already been prepared for next years indoor seasons and I know Si Hill is also looking to sort The Tour '99 out fairly soon. So anyone who does fancy doing a specific tournament next year, but was thinking about leaving it until Christmas, think again. One of the bids that has already been sent to me is for the the Student Indoors '99. Anyone wishing to rival this bid, let me know asap or it will be too late. Simon Weeks Student Co-ordinator ################################################### sorby hall, endcliffe vale road, sheffield, s10 3es tel. 0114 222 9999 extension 52252 email: gga95sew@sheffield.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Mar 9 17:08:11 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id QAA19871 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 16:49:57 GMT Received: from pp2.shef.ac.uk (pp2.shef.ac.uk [143.167.1.32]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA19853; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 16:49:53 GMT Received: from pebley.shef.ac.uk [143.167.79.249] by pp2.shef.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.73 #1) id 0yC5kB-0001jD-00; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 16:49:39 +0000 Received: from PEBLEY/SpoolDir by pebley.shef.ac.uk (Mercury 1.32); 9 Mar 98 16:49:40 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by PEBLEY (Mercury 1.32); 9 Mar 98 16:49:26 +0000 From: "Simon Weeks" To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk, All.University.Ultimate.Teams@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 16:49:24 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Student Outdoor Finals X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <5921B2D30A5@pebley.shef.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hello Student Types, Re: Student Outdoor Finals, Leicester, 2/3rd May 1998 It is now two weeks since I mailed out the details about the Student outdoor finals, but I have had little response. Anyone who didn't get any details please mail me immediately. So far only three teams are entered with one second team on the reserve list. Teams definitely entered 1. No Frills (Cardiff) 2. Mwnci See (Aberystwyth) 3. Mohawks (Brighton) Teams in reserve until March 21st (after this date presuming the tournament is not already full these teams will be added to the list and priority will no longer be given to first teams) 1. Mohawks II (Brighton) I know the Athletic Union can really drag its feet when it wants to, but I really would have expected to get more cheques by now. If you think you are going to fail to make March 21st, but want to be sure your team is entered just send me a personal cheque. I will then send you a receipt on headed BUF paper, so that you can claim the money back off the union. Just a reminder, cheques should be made payable to 'More than just a hint' for the sum of seventy pounds and sent to me at the address at the end of this email. Get your money in the post, Simon Weeks Student Co-ordinator P.S. Due to a number of teams not being able to make the Bank Holiday Monday after the weekend (particularly those in Scotland for whom it is not a Bank Holiday), the idea of making it a three day tournament has been dropped. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Mar 9 23:35:38 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id XAA17103 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 23:20:43 GMT Received: from wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk (wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk [131.111.48.24]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA17095 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 23:20:40 GMT From: mackay@mrao.cam.ac.uk Received: by wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk (UK-Smail 3.1.25.1/15) id ; Mon, 9 Mar 98 22:59 GMT Received: (from Unknown UID 43@localhost) by harris.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.6.12) id WAA07340; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 22:59:57 GMT Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 22:59:57 GMT Message-Id: <199803092259.WAA07340@harris.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Invitation to the elderly to join GB Masters Cc: gbm@mrao.cam.ac.uk, mackay@mrao.cam.ac.uk Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Dear Britdisc, *** please circulate to people aged 29 or more *** A core of keen old people are gunning to go to Minneapolis. We need a few more elderly bodies to have a full squad. To this end, GB Masters announces its *** UK tour ***. Borrowing from the successes of New Labour political campaigning, we will hold rallies in a large number of constituencies over the next months. We will come to you -- all you need to do is show up -- whether you live in London, the Midlands, or, er, London. London Practice: 26 April. Regents Park, London. 11am. In the park just south of the zoo. Midland Practice: 17 May. Univeristy of Warwick, near Coventry. 11am. (next to sports hall) London Tournament: 30-31 May. Chaos tournament. Trent Park. (assuming we're invited!) Anyone interested in playing with us is very warmly encouraged to come to any of these events, especially the tournament. For further information please see our web page http://wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk/ultimate/gbm/ or contact Neil Travers - neil@dreamer.demon.co.uk, H 01895 270 153 W 01628 422 050 Yours, David Strange Blue ========================================================================== David J.C. MacKay email: mackay@mrao.cam.ac.uk www: http://wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk/mackay/ Cavendish Laboratory, tel: (01223) 339852 fax: 354599 home: 276411 Madingley Road, international code: +44 1223 Cambridge CB3 0HE. U.K. room: 982 Rutherford Building From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Mar 10 10:03:03 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id JAA03479 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 09:38:58 GMT Received: from amsta.leeds.ac.uk (amsta.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA03428 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 09:38:50 GMT Received: from newton.leeds.amsta (newton.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.64]) by amsta.leeds.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA05948 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 09:39:38 GMT Received: by newton.leeds.amsta (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA26849; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 09:40:38 GMT Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 09:40:38 GMT From: amtsjh@amsta.leeds.ac.uk (S J Hill) Message-Id: <199803100940.JAA26849@newton.leeds.amsta> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: TOUR NEWSLETTER WILL HAPPEN X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Announcing the Tour Newsletter! ------------------------------- 1. Why 2. What 3. HELP PLEASE! 1. Why ------ Last year its fair to say that it was sometimes difficult to know what was happening: how many points you had, what happened at the last tournament, etc, etc... 2. What ------- This year, we will be producing the so-called Tour Newsletter. This will be a single sheet of paper containing: * latest tournament result * current ranking points * news about the NEXT event, eg who is definitely IN * TOURNAMENT REPORT(s?) * information about the tour itself (when space) The U8 Committee already has the information, (excluding the reports) - and Jonathan Schofield of Shotgun has agreed to do the technical bit: it will be produced in the same manner as the new ultimatum. That is a pdf file that people can download from the web and print out for themselves. Those teams that cannot obtain a copy via this method will have a copy sent to their team contact. TEAMS IN THIS SITUATION WILL NEED TO TELL US ABOUT THIS - but not yet please. 3. HELP PLEASE -------------- REQUIRED: * We need someone (or more than one person) to be involved in writing a tournament report. Its got to be done quickly, and you must be able to EMAIL the report to Jon and I. You don't need to commit to all 5 events: maybe we could have a different reporter for each tournament. ****************************************************************** Secondly, and slightly less glamorously, we will also need help in DISTRIBUTING hard copies. - You will need to be able to download and printout the web-version. - You will need to be produce a reasonable number of copies (about 100) relatively quickly and cheaply - (obviously you won't actually pay for the copying!!) - Send about 20+ copies to teams/players who cannot download for themselves. (Hopefully this number will be smaller.) - Bring the remainder of copies to the subsequent tour event, or arrange for someone else to bring them! Perhaps these tasks could be shared by a group of people living near each other. ****************************************************************** PLEASE GET IN TOUCH IF YOU CAN HELP. amtsjh@amsta.leeds.ac.uk 0113 289 0971 (h) 0113 233 5175 (w) Any ideas about how to deal with the conflict between making hard copies available to as many people as possible, and not having someone spend their life printing envelopes and licking stamps GRATEFULLY received. I trust that the TOUR info is clear and that people are getting organised for Leicester. I hope to see you there. Si ---------- Simon Hill From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Mar 10 10:04:13 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id JAA04861 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 09:48:28 GMT Received: from exchpk01.chelt.ac.uk (exchpk01.chelt.ac.uk [194.66.194.228]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA04840 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 09:48:23 GMT Received: by exchpk01.chelt.ac.uk with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD4C09.96D4B160@exchpk01.chelt.ac.uk>; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 09:47:50 -0000 Message-ID: From: "HUGHES, Chris" To: Britdisc Subject: Nationals Info Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 15:34:00 -0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Thanks to all those who helped in supplying me with team contacts and addresses, particularly those people not involved with the teams in question. All the information for nationals went out over the weekend, 1st class (and yes - with enough postage on), so if you have not recieved anything by tuesday, or wednesday contact me and I will see about furnishing you with more info. Remember, captains meeting is 8:45 am, games start at 9:00, and matches will be forfieted if teams are not ready to play - you have been warned. All teams need to be there, as the schedule is not going to be released until the morning Chris From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Mar 11 08:54:08 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id IAA16044 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 08:35:26 GMT Received: from mail.rmplc.net (koala.rmplc.co.uk [194.238.48.13]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA16037 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 08:35:23 GMT Received: from acotgreave.internal.rmplc.net (hercules.rmplc.co.uk [194.238.48.90]) by mail.rmplc.net (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA29871 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 08:35:22 GMT Message-Id: <199803110835.IAA29871@mail.rmplc.net> From: "Andy Cotgreave" To: "Britdisc" Subject: Fw: check this out, boys Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 08:27:24 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk This came to us from Max, an old, American Sneeeky > > So I'm at this college tournament last weekend, watching my old college > team compete (I put them up at my house.) I spot a Sneeeky disk -- a > pretty new one -- on one of the sidelines. I hunt around until I find > the > owner. I ask him if he's been to Edinburgh. He says, no, his team buys > batches of misprint discs from Discraft at a deep discount. I look at > the > disc. I can't find anything wrong with it. He points at the third 'E'. > I > laugh! So apparently *somebody* at Discraft thought the third 'E' was a > typo (which is absurd, since it's a hand-made design), and thus Sneeeky > discs are finding themselves in widespread distribution as "misprints"! > > You might forward to the group as you deem appropriate ... > > cheers, > max Urban myth, or gospel truth? Andy From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Mar 11 11:26:55 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id LAA10604 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 11:01:04 GMT Received: from hotmail.com (f25.hotmail.com [207.82.250.36]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA10480 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 11:00:39 GMT Received: (qmail 29432 invoked by uid 0); 11 Mar 1998 10:58:58 -0000 Message-ID: <19980311105858.29431.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 137.222.1.5 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 02:58:57 PST X-Originating-IP: [137.222.1.5] From: "Robert Cole" To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Transport to Nationals Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 02:58:57 PST Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk If anyone going to the Nationals this weekend happens to go through Bristol, and has room for one or two people, could they pleawse get in contact with me? Phone on 0117 9237410 or 0961 170 759 or email me. Thanks in advance, Rob Cole ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Mar 12 21:17:20 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id VAA02769 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 21:00:39 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-10.mail.demon.net [193.195.0.154]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA02761 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 21:00:36 GMT Received: from phidelta.demon.co.uk ([158.152.248.177]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa1004155; 12 Mar 98 20:34 GMT Message-ID: Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 19:54:52 +0000 To: Merrick Cardew , BritDisc From: Tour II TD Subject: Tour II Invitations MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Trial Version 3.04 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk 65 of them went into the post in time for the 8.45am Friday collection... 65 lucky people should find them on their doormats on Saturday or Monday mornings... If you think your BUF contact details are incorrect, you'd better check with me as to where I sent it! Wayne -- Tour II TD tour2@phidelta.demon.co.uk http://www.phidelta.demon.co.uk/u8-98/tour2/ Layout Dreams From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Mar 13 11:02:49 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id KAA15937 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 10:39:15 GMT Received: from shrimp.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (ralf@shrimp [137.205.227.130]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA15922 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 10:39:11 GMT Received: (from ralf@localhost) by shrimp.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA01645 for britdisc@csv; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 10:39:09 GMT From: Ralf Message-Id: <199803131039.KAA01645@shrimp.dcs.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: (from matthew lowe) To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 10:39:08 +0000 (GMT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL35 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk ----- Forwarded message from owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk ----- From: "Matthew Lowe" To: Subject: HELP! Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 05:42:16 -0000 I have recently had some trouble with my computer and have lost some E-Mail addresses due to it. Could the following people send me their E-Mail address and any messages that they have sent to me in the last few days. Paul Dickinson Purple Haze Nick........ Mid-Night Suns Helen Stanwell-Smith Who ever she feels like playing for If any of you know the E-Mail addresses for these people and could help me, please do so. Thanks. Matt Lowe Charnwood Sunz PS :- See you all at Tour 1. ----- End of forwarded message from owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk ----- ____ ____ _ _ ____ .----------------------------------------. _\__ \ _\__ \ / \ / \\__/ | Ranulf Doswell | / \_/ /_ / \_/ \ / / / /___ | Department of Computer Science | \ __ \\ __ \\ \ _\ \\_/ |University of Warwick, COVENTRY, CV4 7AL| \ \ \ \\ \ \ \\ \__/ \\ \ | Phone: 01203 523296 Fax: 01203 525714 | \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \______/ \_/ `----------------------------------------' From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Mar 13 13:25:09 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id MAA10557 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 12:46:09 GMT Received: from ultra1.aber.ac.uk (ultra1.aber.ac.uk [144.124.16.17]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA10490 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 12:45:58 GMT Received: from pccfef.ccu.aber.ac.uk (pccfef) [144.124.18.201] by ultra1.aber.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.80 #1) id 0yDTqP-00021B-00; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 12:45:51 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980313124534.00900560@pophost.aber.ac.uk> X-Sender: jag6@pophost.aber.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 12:45:34 +0000 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: JOHN ALEXANDER GARRETT Subject: Mwnci See T-shirts Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Greetings, From our last couple of tournaments people have pestered us for our shirts and we haven't had any. Now were getting some more so if you want a number on the back I need to know before I order them. There was a Jesters player who wanted one but Garath lost his e-mail address. Could Jesters get in contact about it? Cheers Bisto (Mwnci See) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Mar 13 20:10:47 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id TAA22249 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 19:57:53 GMT Received: from epunix.biols.susx.ac.uk (root@epunix.biols.susx.ac.uk [139.184.162.2]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA22235 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 19:57:48 GMT Received: from localhost (665 bytes) by epunix.biols.susx.ac.uk via sendmail with P:stdio/R:acukbind/T:smtp (sender: ) (ident using unix) id for ; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 19:57:36 +0000 (GMT) (Smail-3.2.0.101 1997-Dec-17 #10 built 1998-Feb-1) Message-Id: From: kevinbr@biols.susx.ac.uk (Kevin Brooks) Subject: Squaws Springtime Pow-Wow. To: 64026159@mmu.ac.uk Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 19:57:36 +0000 (GMT) Cc: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <542DB136721@turing.ayt.stu.mmu.ac.uk> from "nadia" at Feb 12, 98 05:29:33 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL20] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Just a reminder about the tourney at Sussex Uni on Sat. 21st. There may be a couple of spaces left, so don't be shy, huh? Reply to hcui1@central.susx.ac.uk (Kate Sygrove). Any pick-up players who arrive will also be catered for. See you all there! Locks. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sat Mar 14 05:55:56 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id FAA29044 for britdisc-outgoing; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 05:38:33 GMT Received: from smtp.algonet.se (angel.algonet.se [194.213.74.112]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id FAA29036 for ; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 05:38:28 GMT Message-Id: <199803140538.FAA29036@pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Received: (qmail 20579 invoked from network); 14 Mar 1998 05:38:27 -0000 Received: from du44-242.ppp.algonet.se (HELO tmeksccr.telia.com) (195.100.242.44) by angel.algonet.se with SMTP; 14 Mar 1998 05:38:27 -0000 From: "Paul Eriksson" To: Subject: Stockholm calling Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 06:39:41 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Howdy folks.... Read in an old Ultmatum about a player from Kazachstan spent some time studying at Oxford, thirteen years old at the time. Does anyone know how to get hold of him ? I've been involved in an exchange program with S:t Petersburg and the Baltic states, and we'll all meet at a tournament in Tallinn in two weeks. I know at least the russians would be interested in contacting the guy. Thanx on beforehand Ses i målzonen...... Paul Eriksson Stockholm 08 Ultimate From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sat Mar 14 14:56:08 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id OAA24892 for britdisc-outgoing; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 14:43:25 GMT Received: from hotmail.com (f128.hotmail.com [207.82.251.7]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA24887 for ; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 14:43:22 GMT Received: (qmail 27498 invoked by uid 0); 14 Mar 1998 14:42:45 -0000 Message-ID: <19980314144245.27497.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 193.60.10.81 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 06:42:45 PST X-Originating-IP: [193.60.10.81] From: "Mwnci See" To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 06:42:45 PST Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Please note that the contact details for Mwnci See are wrong on the BUF webpage. The contact name should be Bisto (John Garrett), not Alex Evans. The address is correct, as is the phone number. Email should be mwnci@hotmail.com, not mwnca@... ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sat Mar 14 16:26:48 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id QAA01999 for britdisc-outgoing; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 16:10:29 GMT Received: from clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@clover-fddi [137.205.4.2]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA01988 for ; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 16:10:26 GMT Received: from mail.spacestar.net (root@spacestar.net [206.191.192.7]) by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA06670 for ; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 16:10:21 GMT Received: from bogie6 (tc2-1.riverfalls.Spacestar.Net [206.191.194.158]) by mail.spacestar.net (8.8.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA15965 for ; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 10:09:45 -0600 Message-Id: <199803141609.KAA15965@mail.spacestar.net> From: "David R. Bogenhagen" To: Subject: Sky Surfers? Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 10:10:20 -0600 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk I am looking for a older disc called the Skysurfer that I believe was produced in England. I bought one when I was in Belgium for the Disc Covering the World Tour of 1980. I like to use this disc for making golf bags because of it's high rubber content/feel. Dave Bogenhagen From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Mar 16 08:11:06 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id HAA12561 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 07:47:04 GMT Received: from gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (ralf@gem [137.205.227.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA12548 for ; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 07:47:02 GMT Received: (from ralf@localhost) by gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA14213 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 07:47:02 GMT Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 07:47:02 GMT From: Ranulf Doswell Message-Id: <199803160747.HAA14213@gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: BFDF Events Reminder Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk British Flying Disc Federation Disc Events Diary ------------------------------------------------ The events list can also be found at http://www.dcs.warwick.ac.uk/~ralf/bfdf/ ---------- Saturday 21st March 1998 Squaws (1 day) @ University of Sussex Sports Centre [Women's Indoor Ultimate] Cost: GBP40 per team Contact Kate Sygrove Address 110 Hythe Road Brighton East Sussex Email hcui1@central.susx.ac.uk Phone 01273 500234 Saturday 28th March 1998 Tour I (2 days) @ Leicester [Outdoor Ultimate] TD Ben Ravilious Email br5@leicester.ac.uk Saturday 4th April 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Ashton Court, Bristol [Golf] Dublin (2 days) [Ultimate] Contact Gareth McFeely Email garreth.mcfeely@iveagh.irlgov.ie Sunday 5th April 1998 GB Training (Open, Women and Masters) (1 day) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 18th April 1998 Tour II (2 days) @ Swindon [Outdoor Ultimate] Cost: GBP 80.00 per team (plus tax/deposit sent seperately to BUF) URL: http://www.phidelta.demon.co.uk/u8-98/tour2/ Cheque payable to LAYOUT DREAMS, mailed to 17 Burnham Drive, Reigate, Surrey RH2 9HD TD Layout Dreams Email tour2@phidelta.demon.co.uk URL http://www.phidelta.demon.co.uk/ Saturday 25th April 1998 Warwick Indoors (2 days) [Indoor Ultimate] Contact Jim Ayrton Email stuly@csv.warwick.ac.uk URL http://www.csv.warwick.ac.uk/~suaaz/ Saturday 2nd May 1998 GB Training (Open and Women) (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Scottish Open, Isle of Mull [Golf] Student Outdoors (2 days) @ Leicester [Students' Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Simon Weeks Email gga95sew@sheffield.ac.uk Phone 0114 222 9999 ext 52252 Saturday 9th May 1998 Tour III (2 days) @ Birmingham [Outdoor Ultimate] TD Charlie Mead Email charles.mead@easynet.co.uk Thursday 21st May 1998 Rotterdam (4 days) [Outdoor Ultimate Abroad] Saturday 30th May 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) TBC @ Hayling Island, Southampton [Golf] WizOpen '98 (3 days) @ Geneva [Outdoor Ultimate Abroad] URL: http://www.wizards.ch/WizOpen.htm Contact Yves Maumary Email speedy@wizards.ch Saturday 6th June 1998 Fiesta (2 days) TBC [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 13th June 1998 GB Training (Open and Women) (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Quarry Park, Warwickshire [Golf] Saturday 20th June 1998 Tour IV (2 days) @ Southampton [Outdoor Ultimate] TD Tim Woolford Email tww93si@soton.ac.uk Saturday 4th July 1998 GB Training (Open and Women) (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 11th July 1998 Tour V (2 days) @ Double Locks, Exeter [Outdoor Ultimate] TD Kevin Lowe Email kevinl@curved-logic.com Date reserved (2 days) Saturday 18th July 1998 Date reserved (2 days) BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Whitcombe, Dorset [Golf] Saturday 25th July 1998 GB Training (Open and Women) (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 8th August 1998 GB Training (Open and Women) (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Friday 14th August 1998 Worlds (10 days) [Outdoor Ultimate Abroad] Saturday 15th August 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Essex University [Golf] Saturday 29th August 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) TBC @ Perth or Edinburgh [Golf] Friday 11th September 1998 BUF Open (3 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 19th September 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Burnlaw, Horthumberland [Golf] Saturday 26th September 1998 Nationals 98 (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 24th October 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Whitcombe, Dorset [Golf Handicap] ---------------------------------------------------------- British Flying Disc Federation Disc Events Diary http://www.dcs.warwick.ac.uk/~ralf/bfdf/ Ranulf Doswell, ralf@dcs.warwick.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Mar 16 14:09:44 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id NAA05573 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 13:43:09 GMT Received: from venus.le.ac.uk (pp@venus.le.ac.uk [143.210.16.123]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA05562 for ; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 13:43:07 GMT Received: from harrier.le.ac.uk by venus.le.ac.uk with SMTP (local); Mon, 16 Mar 1998 13:42:22 +0000 Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 13:40:56 +0000 (GMT) From: "B. Ravilious" X-Sender: br5@harrier To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Tour 1 Teams Entered Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Dear All A complete list of teams entered into Tour 1 can now be found at the Red website (http://www.ultimateweb.co.uk/red). The Total so far is 28 teams. Assuming I can negotiate an extra pitch from Leicester City Council, We will extend the event to 32 teams I would like to thank everyone for their prompt payment. Almost 100% now and only two weeks to go - this is out of character! I aim to have the directions and schedule stuff to you by the end of this week Would someone from Mild Mannered Janitors please confirm whether they intend to send me a cheque or pay on the day. Looking forward to it. Ben ================================================================================ Ben Ravilious, (0116) 2559638 home br5@le.ac.uk (0116) 2525824 work ORACLE Trial Playing Ultimate for RED University of Leicester www.ultimateweb.co.uk/red/ =============================================================================== From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Mar 16 17:38:10 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id RAA14549 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 17:16:15 GMT Received: from pp2.shef.ac.uk (pp2.shef.ac.uk [143.167.1.32]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA14530; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 17:16:10 GMT Received: from pebley.shef.ac.uk [143.167.79.249] by pp2.shef.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.73 #1) id 0yEdQo-0005xz-00; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 17:12:10 +0000 Received: from PEBLEY/SpoolDir by pebley.shef.ac.uk (Mercury 1.32); 16 Mar 98 17:12:10 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by PEBLEY (Mercury 1.32); 16 Mar 98 17:12:02 +0000 From: "Simon Weeks" To: All.University.Ultimate.Teams@csv.warwick.ac.uk, britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 17:11:59 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Student Outdoor Finals CC: "K.M. Taylor" X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <63A87FD5A80@pebley.shef.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hello everyone, Just a little update on the situation for the student outdoors. May I remind you that first teams are only guarenteed a place in the tournament if they have paid their tournament fees by this Saturday the 21st of March. So if you haven't paid get your money in the post. Cheques for seventy pounds per team should be made payable to 'More than just a hint' and sent to my address at the bottom (no, it really should be there this time!!) Below is a list of all the teams and whether they have paid or not. If you are on the UNKNOWN list please could you contact me asap (even if you are definately not coming), so we know how many pitches to ask the council to mark out. PAID (IN ORDER OF CHEQUES RECEIVED) No Frills Mwnci See Mohawks Picnic in the Sky Bears Fingers 6 Chaos Skunks Sneekys Mythago SECOND TEAMS PAID (IN ORDER OF CHEQUES RECEIVED) Mohawks II Bears II Mythago II IN THE POST (OR SO YOU TOLD ME!!) Flying Sorcerers K-Niggets Purple Haze Uriel UNKNOWN (PLEASE, PLEASE CONTACT ME!!) Alien Nation Disciples Far Flung Hertfordshire University Jedi Children Jesters Magnificent 7 Northern Lights Ow! Oxford Robotics PDQ Phat 'eds Reservoir Fish Revolution Shooting Stars St Georges Hospital Superfly The Source Toxic Ninja Attack Tricky Gangsters Wombles NOT COMING Hot Stamp Rejects Mad Kows (possibly combining with Alien Nation) Slipped Disc Strange Blue Look forward to hearing from everyone, Thanks, Simon Weeks Student Co-ordinator From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Mar 17 00:07:46 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id XAA28109 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 23:55:31 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA28069 for ; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 23:55:26 GMT Received: from sdc1.demon.co.uk ([194.222.153.201]) by post.mail.demon.net id ab2003027; 16 Mar 98 23:26 GMT Message-ID: <0uQzXEAjTbD1Ewg3@sdc1.demon.co.uk> Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 23:25:23 +0000 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: Simon Church Subject: Have you paid your BUF subs MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Version 3.02 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Below is a list of clubs who have and have not (yet) paid their BUF subs. This list was accurate as of 5 days ago, so if the cheque is in the post, don't worry (too much). If you sent it a while ago and we don't seem to have it, has it been cashed? If you want to query receipt of an old cheque, talk to Gavin Bates, the treasurer. Remember, if you haven't paid your subs, you can't play at a BUF event, such as the tour. All paid up members will shortly be getting their pack of goodies (as soon as the last bits are assembled), just bear with me. This will include Ultimatums. Could you all check your details on the BUF home page for your club contact, and if there is anything wrong or missing, drop me a line. Could the Ashtead Dragons get in touch, as you have paid up your subs, but I have not got any contact details for you!! Paid up BUF members for 1998 so far: Alien Nation Bears Blue Arse Flies Catch 22 Far Flung Fingers 6 First Touch Floating Bloke Fluid Druids Flying Sorcerors Headington Girls School Headrush Jedi Children Kingston University Mad Kows Mohawks Mud Culture Mwnci See Ultimate Club NADS Night Fever Playthings Red Red Shift Reservoir Fish Skunks Sneeekys Spong (Trinity School) Toxic Ninja Attack Twin Peaks Whiplash Not yet paid: Abatross Angels Bexhill 6th Form College BGA Bliss Blundells Bones Bredon Hill School Chaos Chevron Action Flash Dane Raiders Devils/Spinners Disciples Discult Distant Cousins Dump Frenzy Fantastic Max Florence Park Flowers Funky Monks Gooie Kaplooie High Pie Hint of Lime Hot Stamp Rejects Hove Park School Hurricanes Jesters Lurkers Mythago N.F.C. New Media Age Ow! Oxford Robotics Phat Eds Picnic in the Sky Purple Haze Revolution Sexy Mother Huckers Sharks Shooting Stars Shotgun Sir James Community School Small Furry Animals Solihull Stan Steve Brook Strange Blue SuperFly Tribal Desire Under the Influence Uriel Vicious Circle Village People Violently Happy West Nottinghamshire College Wombles Young Somerset Zebedees -- Simon Church BUF Secretary From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Mar 17 10:01:13 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id JAA07381 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 09:41:06 GMT Received: from pluto.open.ac.uk (pluto.open.ac.uk [137.108.143.4]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA07371 for ; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 09:41:01 GMT Received: from acsfc-mail (actually host acsfc-mail.open.ac.uk) by pluto with SMTP Local (PP); Tue, 17 Mar 1998 09:25:37 +0000 From: wmd4@student.open.ac.uk (Wayne Davey) To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 22:54:14 -0000 Subject: National Indoors Report Message-ID: Organization: Open University MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-ID: X-Gateway: NASTA Gate 1.18 for FirstClass(R) Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk NATIONAL INDOORS ================ (I'll leave the full results service to someone more organised) What a tournament! It was the closest Nationals (in or out) that I can remember. We had four quarter finals of real quality, in which you couldn't have predicted the results. Druids beat Chevron in sudden death to prevent us having one semi finalist from each region. UTI beat Shrub by a few points but we really had to play flat out to win against a very determined side. Sorcerors stunned all us soft Southerners by going 4-0 up against temporary favourites Chineapple Punks (who the day before had beaten Druids to win their pool). They held on, despite a comeback and shocked both Punks and everyone else by the speed of their play. Red also raised their game and only just lost to an increasingly excited Ow team (who beat UTI for the first time on Saturday). The semis reverted to old order. The Druids looked invincible against a suddenly very fragile Ow. They raced away to an early lead and all of a sudden it seemed very easy for them. This was quite a recovery after being something like 9-6 down against Lurkers in the pool play. We (UTI) played the surprise (to us) team of Sorcerors. Our defence produced several turnovers against their high risk play and we too ran away with our semi winnning something like 11-6 in the end. This lead to a repeat of last year's final, with the exception that this team we had more of our regular players. The Druids played a zone defence at the start which they had used to great effect in the last few points against Chevvy. They got a couple of turnovers and took a 4-1 lead. We came back somehow to level at 4-4 before they got a 2 point lead. Then followed 20 minutes of faultless offence as we traded with no turnovers despite furious defence from both sides. Druids 2-up then 1-up then 2-up etc.... At 12-10 to Druids the deadlock was broken.. we got a turnover, scored and the crowd got excited (there was now 1 minute to go and Druids led by just 1). I can't remember how but we got another turnover as the clock ticked down. 30 seconds to go. We moved the disc around and then scored (Alex Bowers) with 2 seconds left. It was called back for a travel. Alex then got a layout score in the other corner to tie the final and make it game to 14. We got another turnover and Colin got his flipper assist. On the last point Rick Shipley tried the same at the other end which would have been a neat finish. However by now we were getting plenty of turnovers and soon had another chance. The final score was 14-12, Druids long reign (last 4 nationals) was over. Men of the match were birthday boy Rick Shipley and Dave Trovell. Thanks to Wayne Retter and especially Chris Hughes for running the tournament, Wayne Davey UTI (Commiserations to Guy Bowles and Steve Shipley who decided to get suntans instead.) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Mar 17 10:32:46 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id KAA11449 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 10:13:11 GMT Received: from amsta.leeds.ac.uk (amsta.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA11436 for ; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 10:13:06 GMT Received: from newton.leeds.amsta (newton.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.64]) by amsta.leeds.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA03368 for ; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 10:13:10 GMT Received: by newton.leeds.amsta (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA16058; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 10:14:16 GMT Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 10:14:16 GMT From: amtsjh@amsta.leeds.ac.uk (S J Hill) Message-Id: <199803171014.KAA16058@newton.leeds.amsta> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Indoors X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk This is a quick mail to thank Wayne Davey (and all the TDs) for Indoor Nationals this year. Its a big job, and I am relieved that Wayne took over my duties to ensure that it happened, (and happened successfully by all accounts). Its true to say that each year it becomes harder to get the Indoor Nationals to happen, esp. with pressure from a very tight schedule of events such as student and womens indoor events. Those players and teams that enjoy the indoor season should really put their heads together and start thinking about how to make it easier. Its no suprise that one of the regions didn't have a qualifier this year - it is more suprising that its the first time that had happened. So: Congratulations to UTI (esp. Guy and Steve)! Flying Sorcerers: looking forward to seeing you guys outside! It looks like 1998 is a year of big change in UK ultimate. The Druids indoor reign has finally come to an end... but what of Shotgun and their outdoor domination??? Round I in two weeks and counting... From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Mar 17 14:38:09 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id OAA26331 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 14:15:30 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-10.mail.demon.net [193.195.0.154]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA26307 for ; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 14:15:22 GMT Received: from ultimatum.demon.co.uk ([158.152.203.174]) by post.mail.demon.net id ab1021182; 17 Mar 98 14:02 GMT Subject: Fwd: Journalists on the beach Date: Tue, 17 Mar 98 14:08:39 +0000 x-sender: ultimatum@pop3.demon.co.uk x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: Paul Hurt To: BritDisc Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Message-ID: <890143323.1021182.1@ultimatum.demon.co.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hello all Received this from Jumpi, who's organising Paganello this Easter. Amazing opportunity. Anyone know any journalists working in this field? Paul ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hi guys, this is a special request. The Rimini office for developing tourism in town is interested in paying trip and staying, here in Rimini during the Paganello, to foreign journalists. What am i asking for? If you know any journalist who works for newspapers, magazines youth-oriented or concerning young people fashions or basically which could be interested in writing about Rimini, the Paganello, ultimate, young people, tournament's way of life, etc, please tell me the journalist's name + contact as well as the name of the newspaper. Then the journalist will be contacted by the Tourist Office for details. Thanks! Ciao! Jumpi (giampi@gandalf.ciam.unibo.it) ----------------- End Forwarded Message ----------------- From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Mar 17 17:39:34 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id RAA27516 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 17:08:24 GMT Received: from venus.le.ac.uk (pp@venus.le.ac.uk [143.210.16.123]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA27502 for ; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 17:08:21 GMT Received: from harrier.le.ac.uk by venus.le.ac.uk with SMTP (local); Tue, 17 Mar 1998 17:07:06 +0000 Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 17:07:00 +0000 (GMT) From: "B. Ravilious" X-Sender: br5@harrier To: Britdisc Subject: Tour 1 Directions, etc Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Dear all. I am going to post you directions for Tour 1 in the next few days. If anyone needs these to go to addresses other than those to which I sent the invites (ie different from the BUF contact address database) please say so now. Please don't abuse this offer - I'm not willing to send a copy to every car driver in your team! Remember that all the info will be available on the website. Unfortunately, due to our having to enlarge the event to 32 teams I am unable to give very much schedule information at this point. Thanks Ben ================================================================================ Ben Ravilious, (0116) 2559638 home br5@le.ac.uk (0116) 2525824 work ORACLE Trial Playing Ultimate for RED University of Leicester www.ultimateweb.co.uk/red/ ================================================================================ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Mar 18 10:58:44 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id KAA28493 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 10:25:59 GMT Received: from crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk (pgpyz@crocus-fddi [137.205.4.6]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA28480 for ; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 10:25:56 GMT Received: from localhost (pgpyz@localhost) by crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA12760 for ; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 10:25:54 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk: pgpyz owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 10:25:53 +0000 (GMT) From: Ms D A Bagley X-Sender: pgpyz@crocus To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Indoors results? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Any chance of actually finding out the results of the indoors and who finished where? From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Mar 18 21:06:20 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id UAA06243 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 20:51:36 GMT Received: from epunix.biols.susx.ac.uk (root@epunix.biols.susx.ac.uk [139.184.162.2]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA06234 for ; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 20:51:33 GMT Received: from localhost (871 bytes) by epunix.biols.susx.ac.uk via sendmail with P:stdio/R:acukbind/T:smtp (sender: ) (ident using unix) id for ; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 20:51:24 +0000 (GMT) (Smail-3.2.0.101 1997-Dec-17 #10 built 1998-Feb-1) Message-Id: From: kevinbr@biols.susx.ac.uk (Kevin Brooks) Subject: Indoors pick-up on Saturday. To: phpch@siva.bris.ac.uk (Pete Hallett) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 20:51:23 +0000 (GMT) Cc: BRITDISC@csv.warwick.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <009C111E.CF194E72.67@siva.bris.ac.uk> from "Pete Hallett" at Jan 30, 98 03:47:18 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL20] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Re: Squaws Springtime Pow-wow. Due to a phenomenal lack of interest, the organisers of the event have asked my to post this... Anyone who wants to come along and play some indoor ultimate this SATURDAY 21st MARCH are welcome to do so at the UNIVERSITY OF SUSSEX SPORTS CENTRE from 10am to 5pm. There are still women's teams coming, but there will be ample opportunities to pick up. Come along for a fun-packed day of ultimate. Locks From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Mar 18 22:21:47 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id WAA13698 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 22:05:42 GMT Received: from arl-img-3.compuserve.com (arl-img-3.compuserve.com [149.174.217.133]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA13693 for ; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 22:05:38 GMT Received: (from root@localhost) by arl-img-3.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/2.10) id RAA17626 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 17:05:06 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 17:04:22 -0500 From: Neil Helmer Subject: London players To: Britdisc Message-ID: <199803181704_MC2-373D-D8EE@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id WAA13694 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Calling all London based players Can anyone help me out? I am about to start working in London and need to find some accomodation. If anyone has a room to rent or can help in any way please drop me an e-mail or phone me on (01704) 874288. Cheers Jamie Helmer(Druids) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Mar 19 00:35:14 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id AAA25619 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 00:18:27 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-10.mail.demon.net [193.195.0.154]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA25612 for ; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 00:18:24 GMT Received: from phidelta.demon.co.uk ([158.152.248.177]) by post.mail.demon.net id ab1015839; 18 Mar 98 23:38 GMT Message-ID: Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 23:37:00 +0000 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: Wayne Retter Subject: Re: Indoors results? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Trial Version 3.04 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Dawn, and others Chris is due to be doing this any time on Monday (like, days ago). He's decided that he's rather too busy to publish the final standings on their own, but has (apparently) nearly completed an epic to be published in the near future, that includes them. Unfortunately, I can't help much, as all the bits of paper are at Chris' house and my memory is somewhat less retentive than a sieve about such things... Please accept my apologies for this break in service... Wayne Retter Layout Dreams Indoor Nationals CoDirector Ms D A Bagley writes >Any chance of actually finding out the results of the indoors and who >finished where? -------------------------- Wayne Retter Wayne@phidelta.demon.co.uk http://www.phidelta.demon.co.uk/ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Mar 19 11:53:01 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id LAA20450 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 11:33:12 GMT Received: from exchpk01.chelt.ac.uk (exchpk01.chelt.ac.uk [194.66.194.228]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA20428 for ; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 11:33:08 GMT Received: by exchpk01.chelt.ac.uk with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD532A.B9491BF0@exchpk01.chelt.ac.uk>; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 11:32:39 -0000 Message-ID: From: "HUGHES, Chris" To: Britdisc , Merrick Subject: Nationals - TD's View Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 11:29:00 -0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id LAA20433 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Well here it is; the round up of the weekend; Most people seem to know the outcome so I'll take you through the whole thing from start to finish. The tournament took place in Cheltenham, on the 14th and 15th, using three large pitches, on two sites within close walking distance of each other. It was my intention right from the outset to make all the teams move around, rather than just molly-coddle the top seeds. The format was 4 pools of six, moving to three 8 team knockouts. Games were 23 minutes long or first to 13 points. Pool A Pool B Pool C Pool D 1. UTI 2. Druids 3. Shrub 4. Chevron 6. Ow! 1 5. Punks 8. Red 7. Sorcerers 1 11. Zebedees 12. Sneeeky's 9. Bears 10. Discult 16. Skunks 15. Janitors 14. Village 13. Whiplash. 17.Bradford 18. Mohawks 19. Mud Culture 20. Blue Arse Flies 22. Sorcerers 2 21. Lurkers 24. Ow! 2 23. Jedi The tournament got off to a chaotic start as my plans for getting photocopies of the information went 'Pete Tong', and was left with 3 copies of the schedule, thanks to all those teams who calmly noted their first game and waited for the back-up plan to kick in. In the mean time the first games started in earnest. The initial games in the pools went according to seeds, except the Lurkers beating the Mohawks 10 - 5; a result some other teams ignored at their peril. However the Sorcerers seemed to make the game against Whiplash look too easy; an indication of things to come perhaps. The second round of games again seemed to go according to plan. The notable exceptions being Blue Arse Flies victory over Discult, a testament perhaps that whilst Merrick may not have been fit, that he was at least back on pitch. And whilst Mud Culture may not have beaten the Bears, they certainly gave them a shock in a 9 - 8 game. Meanwhile the Lurkers were still issuing notice of their intent by pushing Punks to a 9 - 7 game. The third round of games held the interest a bit more. Blue Arse Flies' long awaited grudge match against Whiplash ended in an eight all draw; justice? Chevron only just held on to an 8 - 7 win against Sorcerers, a game Jeff later described as 'too close'. Then little Alex (Hollywood II) made some money, he'll be upset he wasn't there to collect. At Eastbourne he bet Wayne Retter £20, and £2 per point difference, that Punks would beat Druids at nationals; everyone within earshot laughed!!. Punks pulled out an impressive display, capitalising on every Druid mistake to win 10 - 7. Although I think it's fair to say that the game would have been closer had Si Weeks been shorter. After the game he thanked the Druids for two years of outdoor play and teaching him to jump and read a disc (Nice way to pay us back!!). So the Druids left the pitch to barely muted sniggering from the UTI boys, who promptly joined us in the humility room, after Ow! trampled all over their egos, beating them 8 - 5. So much for my seedings!! The fourth set of games followed closely to expectations, although UTI still appeared a bit rocky, letting 17 seeds, Bradford, take them to a 12 - 8 game. And Lurkers again appeared not to realise that they were seeded 21 and should be losing all their games, as they beat the Janitors 10 - 6. You would think some one would notice this. In the final sets of games the Druids finally picked up on what everyone had missed, the Lurkers were here to play, and going quite well. However, they did only notice this halfway through the game at 7 - 3 down. An intense game, punctuated by a number of calls, disputed stalls-outs, but also played with great spirit by both teams as through all this they managed to stay civil to each other (although the druids shouted at each other as per usual). Lurkers finally beat the clock, frantic defense and a discussion to level the game at the hooter for a 10 - 10 draw. The game was, according to the Lurkers, 'one the druids will want to forget, but we will sing about over beer for a long time!' Shame the audience consisted of only six people. So by Saturday night there had been a bit of a shuffle, with the end of day pools being; Pool A Pool B Pool C Pool D 1. Ow! 2. Punks 3. Shrub 4. Chevron 6. UTI 5. Druids 8. Red 7. Sorcerers 1 11. Bradford 12. Sneeeky's 9. Bears 10. Blue Arse Flies 16. Skunks 15. Lurkers 14. Mud Culture 13. Whiplash. 17. Zebedees 18. Janitors 19. Ow1 2 20. Discult 22. Sorcerers 2 21. Mohawks 24. Village 23. Jedi The Bears had done remarkably well to hold their 9 seed position, bearing in mind they stepped in for the withdrawn Chevron 2 at only a weeks notice. So onto the party!! Merrick was late (no, surely not!!), bearing in mind he was in the band this was important - so the piss was taken. Music played, people drank (some more than others), fun was had. After a lot of effort, the landlord persuaded people to go home; a large number decided that this was not an option, and endeavoured to find some-else who would feed them beer. Most succeded, and this was occasionally obvious on Sunday morning. Sunday started with a bump, or more of a whimper in the case of Village whose victory occured due to the fact that Zebedees found their expensive hotel beds too comfortable. But here the games got tighter. The set up for the quater finals was good. First, Red against Ow!. Ow! appeared to make hard work of it but eventually secured the game12 -10. Punks built on their victory over Druids by losing to the increasingly confident Sorcerers, 7 - 10. Shrub provided a show against UTI, but unfortunately despite Lee's spectacular efforts, and all the throws to him the rest could make, UTI finished 9 - 6 ahead. Druids squeezed through the toughest quarter-final against Chevron by 1 point, 8 - 7. The inability to shutdown Jeff and the rest of the team refusing to stop running, forced the Druids to play a zone and slow the game down. It worked, they scored, and held on until the siren to win. Punks continued their descent, matched only by Village's, as Discult continued to climb. Leaving Druids to play Ow!, followed by UTI against Sorcerers. Normal service was resumed by both the pre-tournament favorites. Ow! were reduced to safe passes across the back as Druids prevented anything from going forwards, whilst the Sorcerers couldn't hold onto their fast play that had served tham so well during the rest of the tournament. The expected final was back on, even if both teams had taken the scenic route to get there. Lurkers had failed to capitalise on their Saturday play, and lost to Sneeeky's as the positions started to fill. Punks lost out to Red, Chevron beat Shrub, and Ow! beat Sorcerers, all by a single point each time. The standard of English indoor Ultimate seems to be improving, the standard of Scottish Ultimate appears to be going ballistic, maybe Hadrian had right idea after all. The positon finals were as follows; Division C - Ow! 2 ran out winners against Discult (rumour has it that it was a tight game, but I appear to have no result for that so I likely to be wrong) Division B - the return match between Blue Arse Flies and Whiplash. This time time Blue Arse win to pick up the Division B trophy (again I seem to have no results??) Championship Final - Druids v UTI. The Druids started off well and seemed to have the upper hand pulling to a 2 - 0 lead. UTI then pulled a point back, 2 - 1, then Druids pulled ahead again, 3 - 1. This was the pattern for the rest of the game. There was lots of very intense offense, and the defence by both teams was tight, generating a few turnovers but the disc always returned to the team that recieved to keep the score moving along as per usual. The first break came at 12 - 11; Druids lost possession, and for the first time in the game UTI didn't return the favour and eventually, after a travel call, put the game level after the buzzer had gone. So now the cap of two; the pressure got to both teams a bit, with a number of turnovers, but UTI had the patience and the defense to put the game away 14 - 12. The Final Positions; 1. UTI Champions 2. Druids Runners Up 3. Ow! 4. Sorcerers 1 5. Cheron AF 6. Shrub 7. Red 8. Punks 9. Blue Arse Flies Division B Winners 10 Whiplash Division B Runners Up 11. Bradford 12. Bears 13. Mud Culture 14. Skunks 15. Sneeekys 16. Lurkers 17. Ow! 2 Division C Winners 18. Discult Division C Runners Up 19. Village 20. Jedi Children 21. Janitors 22. Mohawks 23. Sorcerers 2 24. Zebedees Sprit of the Game: Sorcerers MVP: Rik Shipley / Dave Trovell The presentation was punctuated by lots of cheesy handshakes for the camera, attempted sexual harrasement of Merrick, and the loss of the spirit and MVP trophies that Manuel had returned to the coffee bar. Thanks need to be made to the Blue Arse Flies for assisting in the running of the tournament, Cheltenham Rec Centre for providing a good site, C&G CHE for the same, Northlands Youth Arts Centre for the accomodation, and all those other ultimate players that were cornered into helping at some stage or another. Cassidy's for the party, and 'Jigsaw' for the music. Thanks also to all the regional TD's and Wayne Davey for organisng the Indoor season. Chris Hughes From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Mar 19 12:44:40 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id MAA29759 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 12:18:53 GMT Received: from clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@clover-fddi [137.205.4.2]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA29746 for ; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 12:18:50 GMT Received: from server1.netpath.net (server1.netpath.net [205.139.153.2]) by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA20109 for ; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 12:18:24 GMT Received: from [206.27.39.124] (Psilbey.netpath.net [206.27.39.124]) by server1.netpath.net (8.8.5/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA02335 for ; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 07:16:42 -0500 X-Sender: silbey@205.139.153.2 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 07:23:26 -0500 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: David Silbey Subject: Re: Nationals - TD's View Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk At 11:29 AM +0000 3/19/98, HUGHES, Chris wrote: >In the final sets of games the Druids finally picked up on what everyone >had missed, the Lurkers were here to play, and going quite well. Well done, Lurkers. _____ David J Silbey History Department, Duke University dsilbey@acpub.duke.edu Flatball Nation Ultimate: http://www.interpath.net/~dhharris/flatball/flatball.html Duke Men's Ultimate: http://www.duke.edu/web/vertigo/ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Mar 19 13:51:07 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id NAA11038 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 13:27:42 GMT Received: from E-MAIL.COM (e-mail.com [204.146.168.195]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA10931 for ; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 13:26:59 GMT Received: from IMXGATE.COM by E-MAIL.COM (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with BSMTP id 1560; Thu, 19 Mar 98 08:26:49 EST Received: from cybeles.greigfester.com by imxgate.com (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with TCP; Thu, 19 Mar 98 08:26:28 EST Received: by cybeles.greigfester.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.993.5) id <01BD533A.996762A0@cybeles.greigfester.com>; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 13:26:18 -0000 Message-ID: From: "Wagstaff, Colin" To: "'Britdisc'" , "'Merrick'" , "'chughes@chelt.ac.uk'" Subject: RE: Nationals - TD's View Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 13:26:23 -0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.993.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id NAA11028 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Chris, Great report, in fact the best tournament report there has been in a long time, come to think about it, it's the only tournament report there has been in a long time. Perhaps other TD's ought to take note of your fine example. Colin, UTI. >---------- >From: HUGHES, Chris[SMTP:CHughes@chelt.ac.uk] >Sent: 19 March 1998 11:29 >To: Britdisc; Merrick >Subject: Nationals - TD's View > >Well here it is; the round up of the weekend; > >Most people seem to know the outcome so I'll take you through the whole >thing from start to finish. > >The tournament took place in Cheltenham, on the 14th and 15th, using >three large pitches, on two sites within close walking distance of each >other. It was my intention right from the outset to make all the teams >move around, rather than just molly-coddle the top seeds. The format was >4 pools of six, moving to three 8 team knockouts. Games were 23 minutes >long or first to 13 points. > >Pool A Pool B Pool C Pool D >1. UTI 2. Druids 3. Shrub 4. Chevron >6. Ow! 1 5. Punks 8. Red 7. Sorcerers 1 >11. Zebedees 12. Sneeeky's 9. Bears 10. Discult >16. Skunks 15. Janitors 14. Village 13. Whiplash. >17.Bradford 18. Mohawks 19. Mud Culture 20. Blue Arse Flies >22. Sorcerers 2 21. Lurkers 24. Ow! 2 23. Jedi > >The tournament got off to a chaotic start as my plans for getting >photocopies of the information went 'Pete Tong', and was left with 3 >copies of the schedule, thanks to all those teams who calmly noted their >first game and waited for the back-up plan to kick in. In the mean time >the first games started in earnest. The initial games in the pools went >according to seeds, except the Lurkers beating the Mohawks 10 - 5; a >result some other teams ignored at their peril. However the Sorcerers >seemed to make the game against Whiplash look too easy; an indication of >things to come perhaps. > >The second round of games again seemed to go according to plan. The >notable exceptions being Blue Arse Flies victory over Discult, a >testament perhaps that whilst Merrick may not have been fit, that he was >at least back on pitch. And whilst Mud Culture may not have beaten the >Bears, they certainly gave them a shock in a 9 - 8 game. Meanwhile the >Lurkers were still issuing notice of their intent by pushing Punks to a >9 - 7 game. > >The third round of games held the interest a bit more. Blue Arse Flies' >long awaited grudge match against Whiplash ended in an eight all draw; >justice? Chevron only just held on to an 8 - 7 win against Sorcerers, a >game Jeff later described as 'too close'. Then little Alex (Hollywood >II) made some money, he'll be upset he wasn't there to collect. At >Eastbourne he bet Wayne Retter £20, and £2 per point difference, that >Punks would beat Druids at nationals; everyone within earshot laughed!!. >Punks pulled out an impressive display, capitalising on every Druid >mistake to win 10 - 7. Although I think it's fair to say that the game >would have been closer had Si Weeks been shorter. After the game he >thanked the Druids for two years of outdoor play and teaching him to >jump and read a disc (Nice way to pay us back!!). So the Druids left the >pitch to barely muted sniggering from the UTI boys, who promptly joined >us in the humility room, after Ow! trampled all over their egos, beating >them 8 - 5. So much for my seedings!! > >The fourth set of games followed closely to expectations, although UTI >still appeared a bit rocky, letting 17 seeds, Bradford, take them to a >12 - 8 game. And Lurkers again appeared not to realise that they were >seeded 21 and should be losing all their games, as they beat the >Janitors 10 - 6. You would think some one would notice this. > >In the final sets of games the Druids finally picked up on what everyone >had missed, the Lurkers were here to play, and going quite well. >However, they did only notice this halfway through the game at 7 - 3 >down. An intense game, punctuated by a number of calls, disputed >stalls-outs, but also played with great spirit by both teams as through >all this they managed to stay civil to each other (although the druids >shouted at each other as per usual). Lurkers finally beat the clock, >frantic defense and a discussion to level the game at the hooter for a >10 - 10 draw. The game was, according to the Lurkers, 'one the druids >will want to forget, but we will sing about over beer for a long time!' >Shame the audience consisted of only six people. > >So by Saturday night there had been a bit of a shuffle, with the end of >day pools being; > >Pool A Pool B Pool C Pool D >1. Ow! 2. Punks 3. Shrub 4. Chevron >6. UTI 5. Druids 8. Red 7. Sorcerers 1 >11. Bradford 12. Sneeeky's 9. Bears 10. Blue Arse Flies >16. Skunks 15. Lurkers 14. Mud Culture 13. Whiplash. >17. Zebedees 18. Janitors 19. Ow1 2 20. Discult >22. Sorcerers 2 21. Mohawks 24. Village 23. Jedi > >The Bears had done remarkably well to hold their 9 seed position, >bearing in mind they stepped in for the withdrawn Chevron 2 at only a >weeks notice. So onto the party!! Merrick was late (no, surely not!!), >bearing in mind he was in the band this was important - so the piss was >taken. Music played, people drank (some more than others), fun was had. >After a lot of effort, the landlord persuaded people to go home; a large >number decided that this was not an option, and endeavoured to find >some-else who would feed them beer. Most succeded, and this was >occasionally obvious on Sunday morning. > >Sunday started with a bump, or more of a whimper in the case of Village >whose victory occured due to the fact that Zebedees found their >expensive hotel beds too comfortable. But here the games got tighter. >The set up for the quater finals was good. First, Red against Ow!. Ow! >appeared to make hard work of it but eventually secured the game12 -10. >Punks built on their victory over Druids by losing to the increasingly >confident Sorcerers, 7 - 10. Shrub provided a show against UTI, but >unfortunately despite Lee's spectacular efforts, and all the throws to >him the rest could make, UTI finished 9 - 6 ahead. Druids squeezed >through the toughest quarter-final against Chevron by 1 point, 8 - 7. >The inability to shutdown Jeff and the rest of the team refusing to stop >running, forced the Druids to play a zone and slow the game down. It >worked, they scored, and held on until the siren to win. > >Punks continued their descent, matched only by Village's, as Discult >continued to climb. Leaving Druids to play Ow!, followed by UTI against >Sorcerers. Normal service was resumed by both the pre-tournament >favorites. Ow! were reduced to safe passes across the back as Druids >prevented anything from going forwards, whilst the Sorcerers couldn't >hold onto their fast play that had served tham so well during the rest >of the tournament. The expected final was back on, even if both teams >had taken the scenic route to get there. > >Lurkers had failed to capitalise on their Saturday play, and lost to >Sneeeky's as the positions started to fill. Punks lost out to Red, >Chevron beat Shrub, and Ow! beat Sorcerers, all by a single point each >time. The standard of English indoor Ultimate seems to be improving, the >standard of Scottish Ultimate appears to be going ballistic, maybe >Hadrian had right idea after all. > >The positon finals were as follows; >Division C - Ow! 2 ran out winners against Discult (rumour has it that >it was a tight game, but I appear to have no result for that so I likely >to be wrong) >Division B - the return match between Blue Arse Flies and Whiplash. This >time time Blue Arse win to pick up the Division B trophy (again I seem >to have no results??) >Championship Final - Druids v UTI. The Druids started off well and >seemed to have the upper hand pulling to a 2 - 0 lead. UTI then pulled a >point back, 2 - 1, then Druids pulled ahead again, 3 - 1. This was the >pattern for the rest of the game. There was lots of very intense >offense, and the defence by both teams was tight, generating a few >turnovers but the disc always returned to the team that recieved to keep >the score moving along as per usual. The first break came at 12 - 11; >Druids lost possession, and for the first time in the game UTI didn't >return the favour and eventually, after a travel call, put the game >level after the buzzer had gone. So now the cap of two; the pressure got >to both teams a bit, with a number of turnovers, but UTI had the >patience and the defense to put the game away 14 - 12. > >The Final Positions; > > 1. UTI Champions > 2. Druids Runners Up > 3. Ow! > 4. Sorcerers 1 > 5. Cheron AF > 6. Shrub > 7. Red > 8. Punks > > 9. Blue Arse Flies Division B Winners > 10 Whiplash Division B Runners Up > 11. Bradford > 12. Bears > 13. Mud Culture > 14. Skunks > 15. Sneeekys > 16. Lurkers > > 17. Ow! 2 Division C Winners > 18. Discult Division C Runners Up > 19. Village > 20. Jedi Children > 21. Janitors > 22. Mohawks > 23. Sorcerers 2 > 24. Zebedees > > Sprit of the Game: Sorcerers > > MVP: Rik Shipley / Dave Trovell > >The presentation was punctuated by lots of cheesy handshakes for the >camera, attempted sexual harrasement of Merrick, and the loss of the >spirit and MVP trophies that Manuel had returned to the coffee bar. > >Thanks need to be made to the Blue Arse Flies for assisting in the >running of the tournament, Cheltenham Rec Centre for providing a good >site, C&G CHE for the same, Northlands Youth Arts Centre for the >accomodation, and all those other ultimate players that were cornered >into helping at some stage or another. Cassidy's for the party, and >'Jigsaw' for the music. Thanks also to all the regional TD's and Wayne >Davey for organisng the Indoor season. > >Chris Hughes > From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Mar 19 20:00:40 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id TAA12781 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 19:42:45 GMT Received: from hotmail.com (f49.hotmail.com [207.82.250.60]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA12766 for ; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 19:42:36 GMT Received: (qmail 22884 invoked by uid 0); 19 Mar 1998 19:41:44 -0000 Message-ID: <19980319194144.22883.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 207.218.65.141 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 11:41:44 PST X-Originating-IP: [207.218.65.141] From: "Chad Sellmer" To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: summer ultimate tour '98 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 11:41:44 PST Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hello!!! I'm Chad Sellmer, an Ultimate player from San Francisco in the States and I want to play at some of your tournaments this summer. Can anyone there set me up with possible connections (I understand only one visiting player can pick up with each team at tournaments). I'll be leaving for Europe in April and will be making a tour of all the tournaments found under EFDF listings until July. Any info. you can provide would be great. Thanks! Peace, Chad ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Mar 19 22:04:38 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id VAA27186 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 21:52:03 GMT Received: from rhenium (cerium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.93] (may be forged)) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA27181 for ; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 21:51:59 GMT Received: from btinternet.com [195.99.45.138] by rhenium with smtp (Exim 1.70 #1) id 0yFnDv-0004sj-00; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 21:51:42 +0000 Message-ID: To: britdisc MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mark Jefferson Subject: U8 deposits Date: Thu, 19 Mar 98 17:08:32 GMT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id VAA27182 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi everyone, Could someone pass on Dora's address please, as I need to get the second deposit in and seem to have lost it? Cheers, Mark Jefferson Whiplash 14 Troutbeck Peartree Bridge Milton Keynes MK6 3ED 01908 666573 Mark.JJ@btinternet.com From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Mar 19 23:20:00 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id XAA04890 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 23:03:35 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA04873 for ; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 23:03:31 GMT Received: from phidelta.demon.co.uk ([158.152.248.177]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa2018106; 19 Mar 98 22:00 GMT Message-ID: Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 21:55:22 +0000 To: BritDisc From: Tour II TD Subject: Tour II Entry MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Trial Version 3.04 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk If the entrance for the Leicester event is anything to go by, the 1998 U8Tour appears to be bigger and better than last year... 20 teams (that I know of) have paid their Deposits for Tour II (Swindon, 18+19 April), we've set a maximum limit of 32 (and I'm working on getting the 16 pitches I want for this) So why've I only got 6 entrance cheques (and one promise of an electronic transfer!)? Congrats to the following for being prepared: First Touch; Headrush; Catch 22; Fluid Druids; Twin Peaks; Skunks; (and RedShift) and a gentle reminder to the rest of you that there's now ONE week remaining until the payment deadline... The tournament website is new and improved too... Wayne Retter -- Tour II TD tour2@phidelta.demon.co.uk http://www.phidelta.demon.co.uk/u8-98/tour2/ Layout Dreams From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Mar 20 11:02:58 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id KAA26587 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 10:44:51 GMT Received: from amsta.leeds.ac.uk (amsta.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA26578 for ; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 10:44:48 GMT Received: from newton.leeds.amsta (newton.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.64]) by amsta.leeds.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA27351 for ; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 10:45:37 GMT Received: by newton.leeds.amsta (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA27812; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 10:46:54 GMT Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 10:46:54 GMT From: amtsjh@amsta.leeds.ac.uk (S J Hill) Message-Id: <199803201046.KAA27812@newton.leeds.amsta> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: U8 - rules relating to women and junior players X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk ULTIM-8 RULES - relating to women and junior players. ------------- There has been a request to extend one of the exceptions allowed to student players to women and junior players. A student player may be rostered for an OPEN team, but sometimes play with their student team (if they want to). This is allowed, even if the student player's open team is playing at the tour event. (This is a pretty much the same as a rule used by WFDF in the run-up to WUCC each year.) NB - if you hadn't realised this and want to take advantage of it then please check the EXACT details in the rules. (Which you can find in the hand of your team contact, or at .) The idea is that this would be extended to women and junior players. Ie - such players would be allowed to play for a women's (or junior's) team instead of their regular open team. Actually after reviewing the rules last year I think we meant to include this anyway - but when I came round to it, I forgot! So essentially we don't see any problems with it. BUT - at this late stage there are some problems, mostly to do with communication. 1. In particular if we are going to allow a rule-change like this its important that everyone knows about it. But I don't have time to anything more than put it on BritDisc and tell captains at the first tournament. (After that - it could go on the Tour Newsletter.) 2. IT IS VITAL THAT ALL PLAYERS UNDERSTAND THAT THEY MAY ONLY PLAY FOR ONE TEAM DURING ANY PARTICULAR TOURNAMENT. THIS APPLIES TO ALL PLAYERS. We intend that this rule change go-ahead unless there are people with reservations (who voice them). I will be assuming that silence means agreement. Unfortunately people who aren't on BD can only agree - unless you tell them whats going on. IF you have an opinion please tell me, or tell BritDisc. In particular this *might* (but probably not) affect you if your team is likely to be finishing around the edge of qualification to Div. 2 at Nationals. Sorry for taking up your time. Si --------------- Simon Hill 0113 289 0971(h) 0113 233 5175(w) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Mar 20 15:29:31 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id PAA09927 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 15:02:24 GMT Received: from dryctnath.mmu.ac.uk (dryctnath.mmu.ac.uk [149.170.190.134]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA09884 for ; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 15:02:12 GMT Received: from yorktown.mmu.ac.uk [149.170.132.252] by dryctnath.mmu.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #1) id 0yG3JB-0002fB-00; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 15:02:09 +0000 Received: from MMU-HOL-YORKTOWN/SpoolDir by yorktown.mmu.ac.uk (Mercury 1.31); 20 Mar 98 15:02:07 GMT Received: from SpoolDir by MMU-HOL-YORKTOWN (Mercury 1.31); 20 Mar 98 15:01:46 GMT From: "Lawrence PAULSON" Organization: Manchester Metropolitan University To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 15:01:37 +GMT Subject: Reports X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <8D721436C7A@yorktown.mmu.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Colin Wagstaff wrote > Great report, in fact the best tournament report there has been in a > long time, come to think about it, it's the only tournament report there > has been in a long time. > > Perhaps other TD's ought to take note of your fine example. Here! Here! As a long time purveyor of tournament reports (I think it was me who did the last one back in Feb for the student finals) I think I am one of a dying breed who believes that people other than those directly involved in the tournament are interested in what happens. Can you imagine a few years ago if the English TV stations hadn't bothered to cover the world cup in the USA just because England didn't qualify- believing nobody was interested? Of course not- people ARE interested. Whilst I know there are good reasons for it, I also find it frustrating that there have been very few Ultimatum's other the last few years- I remember the general excitement felt whenever one came out (seeing your own teams name in print was a big thrill). Let's hope the Tour newsletter can fill in these gaps. Love & Luck, Lawrence Fingers 6: Mad For The Tour '98! From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Mar 20 15:37:34 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id PAA13734 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 15:24:19 GMT Received: from amsta.leeds.ac.uk (amsta.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA13687 for ; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 15:24:10 GMT Received: from newton.leeds.amsta (newton.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.64]) by amsta.leeds.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA06664 for ; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 15:24:55 GMT Received: by newton.leeds.amsta (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id PAA00272; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 15:26:14 GMT Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 15:26:14 GMT From: amtsjh@amsta.leeds.ac.uk (S J Hill) Message-Id: <199803201526.PAA00272@newton.leeds.amsta> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Laurence expressed some sentiments that I'm sure many people can agree with... and ended with: > Let's hope the Tour newsletter can fill in these gaps. Well I don't see how - as I've had fuck all response to the request for people to write tournament reports for the Tour Newsletter. Si From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Mar 20 15:55:15 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id PAA16682 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 15:38:09 GMT Received: from polaris.kbw.co.uk (dns1.kbw.co.uk [193.132.201.37]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA16654 for ; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 15:38:04 GMT Received: by dns1.kbw.co.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 15:43:01 -0000 Message-ID: From: Roger Thomson To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: RE: Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 15:42:59 -0000 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk > > Let's hope the Tour newsletter can fill in these gaps. > > Well I don't see how - as I've had fuck all response to > the request for people to write tournament reports for > the Tour Newsletter. > > [Roger Thomson] Make it the responsiblity of the Tour event managers. After all, the BUF is giving them a licence to make money for their clubs/selves by running the event, so could insist on a full tournament report in return. GUNNER From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Mar 20 16:35:21 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id QAA22177 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 16:06:18 GMT Received: from monsoon.dial.pipex.net (monsoon.dial.pipex.net [158.43.128.69]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA22153 for ; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 16:06:13 GMT Message-Id: <199803201606.QAA22153@pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Received: (qmail 14315 invoked from network); 20 Mar 1998 16:06:12 -0000 Received: from usera261.uk.uudial.com (HELO default) (193.149.67.7) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 1998 16:06:12 -0000 Reply-To: From: "Matthew Lowe" To: Subject: Tour 1 Pickups Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 16:05:32 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi all, Anyone who is comming to tour 1 and is not in a team but is intrested in playing then here is your chance. The Charnwood Sunz are looking for a few pickup players to add to their ranks (don't all rush at once). All you need to do is be their and bring a small amount of money to pay your share of the team deposit (our entry fee was waved). Hope to hear from you soon or see you there. Matt Lowe. Matthew.Lowe@Dial.Pipex.com From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Mar 20 16:35:52 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id QAA23958 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 16:16:12 GMT Received: from gatekeeper.cmht.nwest.nhs.uk (gatekeeper.cmht.nwest.nhs.uk [193.60.159.61]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA23941 for ; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 16:16:08 GMT Received: by gatekeeper.cmht.nwest.nhs.uk; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA06075; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 16:13:39 GMT Received: from pers.cmht.nwest.nhs.uk (pers.cmht.nwest.nhs.uk [159.170.196.35]) by mar003.cmht.nwest.nhs.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA23530; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 12:44:14 GMT Received: from MRI_PERS/SpoolDir by pers.cmht.nwest.nhs.uk (Mercury 1.21); 20 Mar 98 12:39:19 BST Received: from SpoolDir by MRI_PERS (Mercury 1.21); 20 Mar 98 12:38:00 BST From: "Harry Golby" Organization: Central Manchester Healthcare Trust To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk, amtsjh@amsta.leeds.ac.uk (S J Hill) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 12:37:58 BST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: U8 - rules relating to women and junior players In-Reply-To: <199803201046.KAA27812@newton.leeds.amsta> X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.53/R1) Message-Id: <34592A53E9A@pers.cmht.nwest.nhs.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Simon, Many moons ago I was at a BUF meeting where a similar exception to eligibility rules was discussed (and thrown out.) The principle arguements for making an exception for women and junior players seem to be: 1. They could be 'weaker' players and wouldn't make that much difference to a team's overall performance 2. This would encourage the development of Womens' and Juniors' Ultimate by giving them the flexibility to enter tournaments as Womens' and Juniors' teams whenever possible but not exclude individuals from playing when they can't get a team together. My feelings are: 1. Is obviously rubbish, there are plenty of women and juniors good enough to make a significant contribution to whatever team they were playing for 2. Wasn't the tour all about trying to get more stable teams who are prepared to commit to playing regularly? Some open teams didn't enter the tour because they couldn't make that commitment, so their players have been forced to play for another team that may not be their 'first choice'. Shouldn't Women and Junior be making the same choices? Should we be trying to use the tour to develop Womens' and Juniors' Ultimate or do that elsewhere and stick to the original aims of the tour. Unless there's something I'm missing, my view is there should be no exception for Women and Junior players (come to think of it I hadn't realised there was an exception for students either!) Harry Harry Golby Email:HGOLBY@PERS.CMHT.NWEST.NHS.UK Phone: 0161 276 4904 (W) Fax: 0161 276 4980 From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Mar 20 18:03:58 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id RAA09332 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 17:48:55 GMT Received: from lismore.cc.strath.ac.uk (lismore.cc.strath.ac.uk [130.159.248.18] (may be forged)) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA09322 for ; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 17:48:53 GMT Received: from skye.cc.strath.ac.uk [130.159.62.9] by lismore.cc.strath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.73 #2) id 0yG5t0-0005Sm-00; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 17:47:18 +0000 Received: (from bau96188@localhost) by skye.cc.strath.ac.uk (SMI-8.6/8.6.12) id RAA26995 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 17:46:20 GMT From: "Leigh.Simmons" Message-Id: <199803201746.RAA26995@skye.cc.strath.ac.uk> Subject: midlands teams to dublin To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 17:46:20 +0000 () X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk I wonder if there~s anyone who could do me a bit of a favour? We~re going to the Dublin tournament from Glasgow but one of our players is based in Nottingham. So if there~s any teams in the midlands who has a space in their bus/car and wouldn~t mind giving a good mannered, well tempered, house trained young lad a lift, it would be very much appreciated (and rewarded). Please either e-mail me or phone Robert Clarke on 0115 904 2918 thank you very much, Leigh The Source From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Mar 20 18:23:22 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id SAA12963 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 18:09:27 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA12947 for ; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 18:09:23 GMT Received: from lurker.demon.co.uk ([158.152.56.63]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa2010647; 20 Mar 98 16:55 GMT From: Howee Lurker To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Lots Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 16:59:33 GMT Organization: LFDC Message-ID: <3513a06c.25193822@post.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: Forte Agent .99f/16.299 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id SAA12949 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi All, 1) Anyone who wants to pick up / merge with Lurkers at Dublin give Richie O'Connell a buzz on 0181-668 3279, 3 definate possibly a couple more are flying out on Thursday late afternoon and returning Monday. 2) 10 - 10 at the indoor nationals with the Druids, now if I had been there we might just have..... 3) Ross - did we ever find out when it was? The holiday diary is starting to fill up at work.... 4) By the way no-one has sorted out a suitable venue for Lurkers Funtime yet so it looks like we are 'resting' for another year. Hmmph. 5) Hello Dave Silbey you old cock. Now where's that old .sig I used to have.... ah! Love you lots, Howie. -- __ @ Lurkers Flying Disc Club / / --- (( ( ( ( 0 " A Dive Would Have Done It " ___/| Ultimate Matured in England For 14 Years / mailto:howee@lurker.demon.co.uk (I really must update:) http://www.lurker.demon.co.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Mar 20 23:30:42 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id XAA13400 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 23:18:19 GMT Received: from venus.le.ac.uk (pp@venus.le.ac.uk [143.210.16.123]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA13393 for ; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 23:18:17 GMT Received: from harrier.le.ac.uk by venus.le.ac.uk with SMTP (local); Fri, 20 Mar 1998 23:17:47 +0000 Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 23:17:45 +0000 (GMT) From: "B. Ravilious" X-Sender: br5@harrier To: Britdisc Subject: Tournament Reports In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk ================================================================================ Ben Ravilious, (0116) 2559638 home br5@le.ac.uk (0116) 2525824 work ORACLE Trial Playing Ultimate for RED University of Leicester www.ultimateweb.co.uk/red/ ================================================================================ On Fri, 20 Mar 1998, Roger Thomson wrote: > > > Let's hope the Tour newsletter can fill in these gaps. > > > > Well I don't see how - as I've had fuck all response to > > the request for people to write tournament reports for > > the Tour Newsletter. > > > > > [Roger Thomson] Make it the responsiblity of the Tour event > managers. After all, the BUF is giving them a licence to make money for > their clubs/selves by running the event, so could insist on a full > tournament report in return. > > GUNNER Well I might consider it... Ben CANNONFODDER From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Mar 20 23:33:49 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id XAA13947 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 23:27:01 GMT Received: from venus.le.ac.uk (pp@venus.le.ac.uk [143.210.16.123]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA13933 for ; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 23:26:56 GMT Received: from harrier.le.ac.uk by venus.le.ac.uk with SMTP (local); Fri, 20 Mar 1998 23:26:34 +0000 Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 23:26:33 +0000 (GMT) From: "B. Ravilious" X-Sender: br5@harrier To: Britdisc Subject: WHat "Pick-up" team? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk As Si Hill pointed out, we decided to waive the fee for Charnwood Sunz because they are a new local team who have not layed in a tournament before and wouldn't have been able tomake it otherwise. I think its a helpful move which a bigger club can make to encourage new teams. I am however slightly annoyed that Matt has seen this as a chance to admit anyone he likes to the tournament. As far as I am concerned, I only expect to see Charnwood Sunz and Aberdeen players on that team, unless you are still short of numbers. Matt , what are you playing at?! Ben PS Don't start mailing me about some pick-up team youve heard about or I'll get pissed-off and flame you! And if anyone has the gall to turn-up un-announced (like Distant Cousins did in 95) then the shit will really hit the fan. ================================================================================ Ben Ravilious, (0116) 2559638 home br5@le.ac.uk (0116) 2525824 work ORACLE Trial Playing Ultimate for RED University of Leicester www.ultimateweb.co.uk/red/ ================================================================================ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sat Mar 21 09:06:18 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id IAA13590 for britdisc-outgoing; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 08:52:53 GMT Received: from monsoon.dial.pipex.net (monsoon.dial.pipex.net [158.43.128.69]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA13582 for ; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 08:52:50 GMT Message-Id: <199803210852.IAA13582@pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Received: (qmail 25903 invoked from network); 21 Mar 1998 08:52:49 -0000 Received: from userc982.uk.uudial.com (HELO default) (194.69.109.186) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 21 Mar 1998 08:52:49 -0000 Reply-To: From: "Matthew Lowe" To: Subject: Sorry everybody! Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 07:50:35 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hello everybody! I am affraid I must apologise for a message that I sent out about Pickup players at Tour 1. The idea was just to strengthen our team but I can see now that it was extremely unfair to do such a think. My message was wrong as it made it sound as though we were trying to pinch other peoples players by not needing them to pay a larger entry fee. Our entry fee was waived as we are a new team and very in-experienced. Indead I think this in-experience shows by the fact I sent out a mail to get more players for the tour 1. We were basically trying to walk before we could run, we are a new team and cannot expect to have 25-30 players at our disposal for our first tournament. I apologise to anyone who found this message unfair and also those people who replyed, who I am affraid we will no longer be allowing to join us at tour 1, I especially apologise to Ben Ravilious, who so kindly waived our Tour 1 entry fee. Hope to see you all at tour 1. Matt Lowe (Charnwood Sunz) Matthew.Lowe@Dial.Pipex.com From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sun Mar 22 14:30:32 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id OAA18484 for britdisc-outgoing; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 14:12:56 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA18477 for ; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 14:12:52 GMT Received: from phidelta.demon.co.uk ([158.152.248.177]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa2008993; 22 Mar 98 14:09 GMT Message-ID: <26vEiJA2rRF1Ewww@phidelta.demon.co.uk> Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 14:06:46 +0000 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: Wayne Retter Subject: Newsletter In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Trial Version 3.04 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Roger Thomson writes > [Roger Thomson] Make it the responsiblity of the Tour event >managers. After all, the BUF is giving them a licence to make money for >their clubs/selves by running the event, so could insist on a full >tournament report in return. > > GUNNER Let's run a quick lesson on logistics... Leicester: 28 teams on 9 pitches (that's about 360 people spread over 18 acres) Schedule: from last year, generally teams tended to play 3 of 4 timeslots on each day (OK, the top 4 did things differently!) If the Tournament Director (and assistant) is also planning on playing (and I would imagine that in '98 that the only one who might *possibly* NOT be planning on doing so might be Charlie) that leaves them 2 timeslots to run around the other pitches/games and see what's going on in enough detail to write a report. Is it really going to exhibit a full grasp of what's happening? "I saw team X score 2 reasonably easy points against team Y, by hucking - therefore it was obviously a hucking game and X should have won by lots, even though I didn't know that these were the ONLY two points X scored!" oh, yeah... this assumes that the TD doesn't have to answer the silly questions that always get asked, work out what's happening so that "who plays when later" can be published in advance, and don't want/need to eat or drink, relax after their last game, warm up for their next game, find some more loo roll, deal with the local press visitor... In the meantime, there's roughly 60 people sitting around between games in each time slot, and most of them will watch most of a game somewhere, and make comments about it... all they have to do is write those comments down and give them to someone to print! The other answer is, of course, to have non-playing TDs and team of tournament staff. I think you'd get less volunteers than there have been to write reports for the newsletter. - Then you'd have no tournaments; - So then you'd insist that the BUF ran them; - So they'd have to employ someone full time to run events; - and the entrance fee would have to cover their salary... how much do you want to pay to go to a tournament, and wouldn't you like to have some opposition? I know this all sounds a bit heated, but I personally take affront when people without the knowledge of what's already involved start adding duties to the TD list without thinking about it. As for the money - sure, *I* make a profit out of running tournaments, but considering the cash return compared to the time invested, it's a pretty poor return. And what happens if I decide not to bother any more? The events would still happen, somewhere, I hope, but someone else would have to bear the flak of the ignorant statements! So then, if you got this far, what's the chance of some of you spectators taking a pen and paper to the next game you watch, and writing down some observations? If you give them to the TD, or Si Hill (sorry Si!), you're almost guaranteed that they'll get printed - and you'll be famous for your help, and not for just provoking emails from pissed off people! Pretty please? Wayne Retter generally known for running tournaments and not just talking about them. -------------------------- Wayne Retter Wayne@phidelta.demon.co.uk http://www.phidelta.demon.co.uk/ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sun Mar 22 14:37:44 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id OAA19796 for britdisc-outgoing; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 14:32:36 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA19787 for ; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 14:32:33 GMT Received: from phidelta.demon.co.uk ([158.152.248.177]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa2008991; 22 Mar 98 14:09 GMT Message-ID: Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 13:18:07 +0000 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: Wayne Retter Subject: Re: U8 - rules relating to women and junior players In-Reply-To: <34592A53E9A@pers.cmht.nwest.nhs.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Trial Version 3.04 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Harry Golby writes > Shouldn't Women and Junior be making the same choices? Should we be > trying to use the tour to develop Womens' and Juniors' Ultimate or do > that elsewhere and stick to the original aims of the tour. Harry raises a valid point, but as I see it we're in the unfortunate position of the Tour having nearly hijacked the outdoor season, with very few nonTour events to play in (in 1997). Hopefully 1998 will see the addition of a few more nonTour events in which we'll see plenty of teams entered (anybody thinking about holding tournaments for the weekend of Rotterdam? or when the GB teams are away for Worlds? There are plenty of people who'd like to play!) and the opportunities for Women's and Juniors teams at these events will increase. Until we get confirmation that these opportunities will arise, however, the Juniors and Womens GB squads need somewhere to hone their skills and teamwork for Europeans/Worlds - in my view the Tour provides these opportunities at the moment (OK, the opposition is a bit different, but if the Juniors or Women finished top 8 in the Tour, they should be doing OK for Worlds!). We're still in the development stages of the Tour (it's only the second run!) - maybe we should get the nonTour events up and running too, and then decide where Juniors and Womens teams can play... Wayne -------------------------- Wayne Retter Wayne@phidelta.demon.co.uk http://www.phidelta.demon.co.uk/ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sun Mar 22 14:54:35 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id OAA20440 for britdisc-outgoing; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 14:40:36 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA20426 for ; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 14:40:32 GMT Received: from phidelta.demon.co.uk ([158.152.248.177]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa2009119; 22 Mar 98 14:09 GMT Message-ID: Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 13:23:47 +0000 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: Wayne Retter Subject: Ross In-Reply-To: <3513a06c.25193822@post.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Trial Version 3.04 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Howee Lurker writes >3) Ross - did we ever find out when it was? The holiday diary is >starting to fill up at work.... Ross-on-WHEN? Adam Batchelor is the man to hassle - I think he said that he's thinking about making a definate booking THIS WEEK. adam.batchelor@virgin.net Ross-on-WHERE? Oh! I wouldn't base any firm plans on going to ROSS - half of the old site is now a building site! Wayne the last Ross-on-Wye TD? -------------------------- Wayne Retter Wayne@phidelta.demon.co.uk http://www.phidelta.demon.co.uk/ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sun Mar 22 17:56:27 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id RAA02548 for britdisc-outgoing; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 17:40:18 GMT Received: from pluto.open.ac.uk (pluto.open.ac.uk [137.108.143.4]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA02541 for ; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 17:40:15 GMT Received: from acsfc-mail (actually host acsfc-mail.open.ac.uk) by pluto with SMTP Local (PP); Sun, 22 Mar 1998 17:40:10 +0000 From: wmd4@student.open.ac.uk (Wayne Davey) To: wayne@phidelta.demon.co.uk Cc: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 17:17:10 -0000 Subject: Re: Newsletter Message-ID: References: <26vEiJA2rRF1Ewww@phidelta.demon.co.uk> Organization: Open University MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-ID: X-Gateway: NASTA Gate 1.18 for FirstClass(R) Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk wayne@phidelta.demon.co.uk,Internet writes: > what's the chance of some of you >spectators taking a pen and paper to the next game you watch, and >writing down some observations? If you give them to the TD, or Si Hill What? Give them the pen and paper? Ok. Wayne (the other one) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sun Mar 22 23:28:02 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id XAA25359 for britdisc-outgoing; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 23:12:24 GMT Received: from neodymium (neodymium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.83]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA25354 for ; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 23:12:22 GMT Received: from btinternet.com [195.99.56.42] by neodymium with smtp (Exim 1.70 #1) id 0yGtuV-0001YO-00; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 23:12:12 +0000 Message-ID: To: britdisc MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mark Jefferson Subject: The (near) future of disc sports..... Date: Sun, 22 Mar 98 23:09:56 GMT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hello everyone, Before you give up on what sounds like a dry, unimaginative ramble can I ask that you read this in full, and judge later? Cheers. Briefly, I became involved with the BFDF with the specific goal of recognition in mind. It is now clear that before we can entertain the idea of SC recognition disc sports have a lot of work to do. In response, my position is evolving into a more generalised one, tackling some of the broader areas of "development." This is where you come in. I'd like to set up a working group in order, firstly, to identify and secondly, attempt to tackle issues where we can, in our present situation realistically achieve some success. In the first instance this involves no more committment than sitting down with a few beers and mouthing off about what you think needs to be done, and I know for a fact that Britdisc readers are pretty keen on this. I'd like input from from anyone interested in brainstorming a few ideas. From there, the working group could form a realsitic programme of action and go some way to making a difference. I know that there are a lot of people out there with ideas on where disc sports should be going right now, and we all have a vested interest in the results of whatever actions we take. This is not about who's the best player, or who knows the most about disc sport politics, or who has the most experience - this is about injecting new blood and fresh ideas into an infrastructure that is always in need of a different outlook. Whoever you are, and however radical your views may be, get in touch. To avoid sounding too much like Lord Kitchiner (OK - so I can't spell his name) I'll end there. I look forward to hearing from you. Cheers for your patience, Mark Jefferson BFDF Development Officer 14 Troutbeck Peartree Bridge Milton Keynes MK6 3ED 01908 666573 Mark.JJ@btinternet.com From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Mar 23 08:00:45 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id HAA22925 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 07:47:05 GMT Received: from gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (ralf@gem [137.205.227.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA22916 for ; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 07:47:02 GMT Received: (from ralf@localhost) by gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA23510 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 07:47:01 GMT Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 07:47:01 GMT From: Ranulf Doswell Message-Id: <199803230747.HAA23510@gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: BFDF Events Reminder Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk British Flying Disc Federation Disc Events Diary ------------------------------------------------ The events list can also be found at http://www.dcs.warwick.ac.uk/~ralf/bfdf/ ---------- Saturday 28th March 1998 Tour I (2 days) @ Leicester [Outdoor Ultimate] TD Ben Ravilious Email br5@leicester.ac.uk Saturday 4th April 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Ashton Court, Bristol [Golf] Dublin (2 days) [Ultimate] Contact Gareth McFeely Email garreth.mcfeely@iveagh.irlgov.ie Sunday 5th April 1998 GB Training (Open, Women and Masters) (1 day) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 18th April 1998 Tour II (2 days) @ Swindon [Outdoor Ultimate] Cost: GBP 80.00 per team (plus tax/deposit sent seperately to BUF) URL: http://www.phidelta.demon.co.uk/u8-98/tour2/ Cheque payable to LAYOUT DREAMS, mailed to 17 Burnham Drive, Reigate, Surrey RH2 9HD TD Layout Dreams Email tour2@phidelta.demon.co.uk URL http://www.phidelta.demon.co.uk/ Saturday 25th April 1998 Warwick Indoors (2 days) [Indoor Ultimate] Contact Jim Ayrton Email stuly@csv.warwick.ac.uk URL http://www.csv.warwick.ac.uk/~suaaz/ Saturday 2nd May 1998 GB Training (Open and Women) (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Scottish Open, Isle of Mull [Golf] Student Outdoors (2 days) @ Leicester [Students' Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Simon Weeks Email gga95sew@sheffield.ac.uk Phone 0114 222 9999 ext 52252 Saturday 9th May 1998 Tour III (2 days) @ Birmingham [Outdoor Ultimate] TD Charlie Mead Email charles.mead@easynet.co.uk Thursday 21st May 1998 Rotterdam (4 days) [Outdoor Ultimate Abroad] Saturday 23rd May 1998 Mad Kows KowPat '98 (2 days) @ Open University, Kilton Keynes [Outdoor Ultimate] URL: http://www.mk.dmu.ac.uk/~mstacey/Ultimate/kowpat.htm Space for 16 teams, camping available. Contact Laurie Ritchie Email l.j.ritchie@cranfield.ac.uk URL http://www-cs.open.ac.uk/~martin/pages/Mad_Kows.html Saturday 30th May 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) TBC @ Hayling Island, Southampton [Golf] WizOpen '98 (3 days) @ Geneva [Outdoor Ultimate Abroad] URL: http://www.wizards.ch/WizOpen.htm Contact Yves Maumary Email speedy@wizards.ch Saturday 6th June 1998 Fiesta (2 days) TBC [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 13th June 1998 GB Training (Open and Women) (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Quarry Park, Warwickshire [Golf] Saturday 20th June 1998 Tour IV (2 days) @ Southampton [Outdoor Ultimate] TD Tim Woolford Email tww93si@soton.ac.uk Saturday 4th July 1998 GB Training (Open and Women) (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 11th July 1998 Tour V (2 days) @ Double Locks, Exeter [Outdoor Ultimate] TD Kevin Lowe Email kevinl@curved-logic.com Date reserved (2 days) Saturday 18th July 1998 Date reserved (2 days) BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Whitcombe, Dorset [Golf] Saturday 25th July 1998 GB Training (Open and Women) (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 8th August 1998 GB Training (Open and Women) (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Friday 14th August 1998 Worlds (10 days) [Outdoor Ultimate Abroad] Saturday 15th August 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Essex University [Golf] Saturday 29th August 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) TBC @ Perth or Edinburgh [Golf] Friday 11th September 1998 BUF Open (3 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 19th September 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Burnlaw, Horthumberland [Golf] Saturday 26th September 1998 Nationals 98 (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 24th October 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Whitcombe, Dorset [Golf Handicap] ---------------------------------------------------------- British Flying Disc Federation Disc Events Diary http://www.dcs.warwick.ac.uk/~ralf/bfdf/ Ranulf Doswell, ralf@dcs.warwick.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Mar 23 09:30:59 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id JAA29471 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 09:14:21 GMT Received: from newsgate.dircon.co.uk (uugate1.dircon.co.uk [194.112.50.20]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA29465 for ; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 09:14:19 GMT From: laurab@ehs.co.uk Received: from ehs.co.uk (uucp@localhost) by newsgate.dircon.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.7) with UUCP id JAA04107; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 09:14:19 GMT Message-Id: <199803230914.JAA04107@newsgate.dircon.co.uk> Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 9:13:28 +0100 To: , Matthew.Lowe@dial.pipex.com Subject: RE: Sorry everybody! MIME-version: 1.0 (Created by TFS) Content-Type: text/plain ; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: TFS Gateway V210U0822M Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id JAA29466 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Matthew, No doubt you've had tons of grief from a lot of peeps, but all I want to say is: Welcome to the Ultim-8 tour and good luck in your first tournament.. It's always good to see new teams Laura Village People ---------- From: Matthew.Lowe@dial.pipex.com To: ; EHS/LONDON/LAURAB Subject: Sorry everybody! Date: 21 March 1998 09:07 <> Hello everybody! I am affraid I must apologise for a message that I sent out about Pickup players at Tour 1. The idea was just to strengthen our team but I can see now that it was extremely unfair to do such a think. My message was wrong as it made it sound as though we were trying to pinch other peoples players by not needing them to pay a larger entry fee. Our entry fee was waived as we are a new team and very in-experienced. Indead I think this in-experience shows by the fact I sent out a mail to get more players for the tour 1. We were basically trying to walk before we could run, we are a new team and cannot expect to have 25-30 players at our disposal for our first tournament. I apologise to anyone who found this message unfair and also those people who replyed, who I am affraid we will no longer be allowing to join us at tour 1, I especially apologise to Ben Ravilious, who so kindly waived our Tour 1 entry fee. Hope to see you all at tour 1. Matt Lowe (Charnwood Sunz) Matthew.Lowe@Dial.Pipex.com From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Mar 23 09:51:48 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id JAA02767 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 09:34:29 GMT Received: from newsgate.dircon.co.uk (uugate1.dircon.co.uk [194.112.50.20]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA02690 for ; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 09:34:24 GMT From: laurab@ehs.co.uk Received: from ehs.co.uk (uucp@localhost) by newsgate.dircon.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.7) with UUCP id JAA06545; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 09:34:23 GMT Message-Id: <199803230934.JAA06545@newsgate.dircon.co.uk> Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 9:32:25 +0100 To: britdisc , Mark.Jj@btinternet.com Subject: RE: The (near) future of disc sports.... MIME-version: 1.0 (Created by TFS) Content-Type: text/plain ; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: TFS Gateway V210U0822M Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id JAA02709 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Thank you to Mark for putting forward an intial strategy to tackle our current stumbling blocks. But your help is needed. At tournaments, there are always players making comments about the state of the game, and ewhat they would do to make it better(if they could be arsed). WELL, BE ARSED! We're an intelligent playing community with bright ideas, so let's pull them together and see what come out. For those of you who have thoughts but don't feel confident/comfortable about putting them forward, this is your chance too! All ideas/comments/suggestions will be welcome, no matter how off the wall, or radical they might seem. Solutions to many problems in science, workplace etc. etc. have been derived from people thinking outside the box and having their ideas refined. See you there Laura Bagshaw Village People ---------- From: Mark.Jj@btinternet.com To: britdisc > Hello everyone, Before you give up on what sounds like a dry, unimaginative ramble can I ask that you read this in full, and judge later? Cheers. Briefly, I became involved with the BFDF with the specific goal of recognition in mind. It is now clear that before we can entertain the idea of SC recognition disc sports have a lot of work to do. In response, my position is evolving into a more generalised one, tackling some of the broader areas of "development." This is where you come in. I'd like to set up a working group in order, firstly, to identify and secondly, attempt to tackle issues where we can, in our present situation realistically achieve some success. In the first instance this involves no more committment than sitting down with a few beers and mouthing off about what you think needs to be done, and I know for a fact that Britdisc readers are pretty keen on this. I'd like input from from anyone interested in brainstorming a few ideas. From there, the working group could form a realsitic programme of action and go some way to making a difference. I know that there are a lot of people out there with ideas on where disc sports should be going right now, and we all have a vested interest in the results of whatever actions we take. This is not about who's the best player, or who knows the most about disc sport politics, or who has the most experience - this is about injecting new blood and fresh ideas into an infrastructure that is always in need of a different outlook. Whoever you are, and however radical your views may be, get in touch. To avoid sounding too much like Lord Kitchiner (OK - so I can't spell his name) I'll end there. I look forward to hearing from you. Cheers for your patience, Mark Jefferson BFDF Development Officer 14 Troutbeck Peartree Bridge Milton Keynes MK6 3ED 01908 666573 Mark.JJ@btinternet.com From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Mar 23 10:21:15 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id KAA07886 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 10:07:19 GMT Received: from smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk (smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk [193.114.232.134]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA07877 for ; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 10:07:16 GMT From: Wayne_Retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk Received: from ccMail by smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk (IMA Internet Exchange 2.12 Enterprise) id 0002FC7F; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 10:00:41 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 09:59:21 +0000 Message-ID: <0002FC7F.4069@watsonwyatt.co.uk> Subject: Player seeks team To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Cc: merrick.cardew@g4tech.co.uk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Keen and enthusiastic, South-London based, female player of 3.5 years experience seeks a team to play for at Tour I in Leicester. Would be interested in 'guest' status with a view to joining the roster at a later date. Please telephone Vanessa White on 0181-767-8243 (eves) 0171-616-4819 (days) or reply to this email. on behalf of Vanessa White Wayne Retter wayne_retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk ________________________________________________________________ Notice of Confidentiality This transmission is intended for the named addressee only. It contains information which may be confidential and which may also be privileged. Unless you are the named addressee (or authorised to receive it for the addressee) you may not copy or use it, or disclose it to anyone else. If you have received this transmission in error please contact: ~admin@watsonwyatt.co.uk or IT Manager: +44(0)1737 241144 Fax: +44(0)1737 241496 Watson Wyatt Partners is regulated by the Institute of Actuaries in the conduct of UK investment business. _________________________________________________________________ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Mar 23 13:36:31 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id NAA04734 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 13:11:53 GMT Received: from clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@clover-fddi [137.205.4.2]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA04726 for ; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 13:11:50 GMT Received: from polaris.kbw.co.uk (dns1.kbw.co.uk [193.132.201.37]) by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA01430 for ; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 13:11:45 GMT Received: by dns1.kbw.co.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 13:16:51 -0000 Message-ID: From: Roger Thomson To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: RE: Newsletter:............ heads down, icoming Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 13:16:49 -0000 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk > Let's run a quick lesson on logistics... > [Roger Thomson] ..lalala....lalala > all they have to do is write those comments down and give them to > someone to print! If you give them to the TD, or Si Hill (sorry Si!), > you're almost guaranteed that they'll get printed Wayne, I think you're making a storm out of a large teacup. Sure you're busy at tournaments, but as Tournament Director (or whatever grandiose title you lot have) it has to be your responsibility to organise a report for your tournament. By all means get peoples' comments, ask those involved in great games to write one paragraph on it; but in the end you're the only one with an overall perspective, scores and a feeling for the whole host of issues you overcome. But what is wanted by the Ultimate community is definitely a coherent structured view of what happenned, not some cobbled together set of other people's comments. Many people all the way around the world are interested in reports like that (as indicated by Dave Silbey's recent comment on the Lurkers vs Druids), and while we're discussing developing the sport - are the Sports Council really going to recognise a sport that's too lazy to write a 2-sider on major events? Let alone archive them sensibly; but that's another topic. And it's certainly not Si Hill's responsibility, but yours. Anyway, as one of the few Druids who claims some vestige of intelligence, it shouldn't really take you that long to pen a report like the one we all liked so much? Take my advice pal, DELEGATE. > Wayne Retter > generally known for running tournaments and not just talking about them. GUNNER Tompo Well known for winning tournaments and talking rude on Britdisc From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Mar 23 14:56:33 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id OAA15343 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 14:21:24 GMT Received: from amsta.leeds.ac.uk (amsta.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA15314 for ; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 14:21:20 GMT Received: from newton.leeds.amsta (newton.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.64]) by amsta.leeds.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA02438 for ; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 14:22:07 GMT Received: by newton.leeds.amsta (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id OAA07682; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 14:23:31 GMT Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 14:23:31 GMT From: amtsjh@amsta.leeds.ac.uk (S J Hill) Message-Id: <199803231423.OAA07682@newton.leeds.amsta> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Women&Juniors *possible* rule change, BFDF Devel, Tourney Reports X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Three different subjects. 1. The proposed Women and Junior rule change 2. BFDF Development 3. The tournament reports. 1. Proposed rule change ----------------------- I have received more than one complaint/suggestion that this rule change shouldn't be made, and suspect that there may be more on the way! So DO NOT BANK on the rule change being made. I want to make it clear that this rule change has not as yet been made. I will try to keep everyone informed as much as is possible. I guess if you feel strongly in favour of the rule change you should let me know. There are good arguments on both sides. 2. BFDF Development Email ------------------------- Mark asked for some comments about development. I've already emailed him some thoughts that relate specifically to tournaments, but would also really like to a sensible discussion on the question of a SEPARATE WOMENS DIVISION at major tournaments. (This is at the core of the problem discussed above.) I know its too late for this year's tour, but I really think this should be considered a priority. I would like to see how many women want to play in a separate division and how many don't. 3. Tournament Reports --------------------- I understand some of what Roger is saying, but also feel compelled to defend the TDs that spend so much time making it possible for me to play ultimate. I would love to see some coherent tournament reports from all events, but esp. the biggest ones. But I slightly disagree with Roger about the TD doing it. I think we would get better (in lots of ways) reports if they were written by people who wanted to do it, and arrived at a tournament knowing that they would do it. My idea was to be able to arrive at this situation by asking people to come forward to write something for the Tour Newsletter. (Interestingly, now that I've started swearing about it, several of my friends have come forward and offered!) So I was following Roger's advice and delegating. I just thought it would be easier to delegate from one place rather than 5 different places. Essentially we all agree, which is nice. Please continue to offer your help if you want to write a tournament report. You don't have to do more than one. Hey! - you could even just do half a one! Thats all! Si From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Mar 23 17:08:02 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id QAA10654 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 16:48:08 GMT Received: from exchpk01.chelt.ac.uk (exchpk01.chelt.ac.uk [194.66.194.228]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA10639 for ; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 16:48:04 GMT Received: by exchpk01.chelt.ac.uk with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD567B.636E48A0@exchpk01.chelt.ac.uk>; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 16:47:38 -0000 Message-ID: From: "HUGHES, Chris" To: Britdisc Subject: RE: Newsletter:............ heads down, icoming Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 16:39:00 -0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Cor, if I had realsied that my report was going to cause such a storm..... Thanks to all those that commented on the report. To follow up Roger's comments; >but as Tournament Director (or whatever >grandiose title you lot have) it has to be your responsibility to >organise a report for your tournament. can't argue so far, > By all means get peoples' comments, ask those involved in great >games to write one paragraph on it; But people don't, they won't go off and do anything unless you repetedly hassle them. Take Si's request for people to cover tournaments for the newsletter, Paul Hurt repeatedly asks for people to put article in Ultimatum; response - zip. > but in the end you're the only one >with an overall perspective, scores and a feeling for the whole host of >issues you overcome. But what is wanted by the Ultimate community is >definitely a coherent structured view of what happenned, not some >cobbled together set of other people's comments. Yes it needs some to put it all together, which has to be some one who has the overall picture of the tournament (results), if not what happened in the games. >And it's certainly not Si Hill's responsibility, but yours. Definitely. >Many people all the way >around the world are interested in reports like that (as indicated by >Dave Silbey's recent comment on the Lurkers vs Druids), and It was really just coincedence that most of the games that I felt people wanted know about I was in (Druids losing to Punks, Druids drawing with Lurkers, the final), the others I just heard about. Even games I scored I hardly watched; as those who had to keep shouting for me to put the score up will say. When I'm organising I hardly see anything of a tournament. >Take my advice pal, DELEGATE. OK Rog, I'm delegating. I want YOU to find five people (who will actually do the job) to assist the TD for each tour event in compiling the report after the tournament for publication in 1 week post event. Any volunteers (or even groups from teams) contact Roger Thomson. >while we're >discussing developing the sport - are the Sports Council really going to >recognise a sport that's too lazy to write a 2-sider on major events? >Let alone archive them sensibly; but that's another topic. Let alone go beyond a handful of people who are prepared to put time and effort into moving the sport on. Look at the people who are always pushing development - every time it seems to be the same names. Look at the people organising tournaments; the same names or clubs. So many people come to tournaments and expect the sport and event to be organised for them play, then go home and complain, I agree with Laura - Be Arsed. (BTW: that wasn't a go at you roger :-) ) Chris From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Mar 23 17:09:05 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id QAA11446 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 16:53:09 GMT Received: from exchpk01.chelt.ac.uk (exchpk01.chelt.ac.uk [194.66.194.228]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA11439 for ; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 16:53:05 GMT Received: by exchpk01.chelt.ac.uk with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD567C.16F636D0@exchpk01.chelt.ac.uk>; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 16:52:39 -0000 Message-ID: From: "HUGHES, Chris" To: Britdisc Subject: RE: Tourney Reports Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 16:44:00 -0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Si Hill wrote: (I cant be bothered to highlight) 3. Tournament Reports --------------------- I understand some of what Roger is saying, but also feel compelled to defend the TDs that spend so much time making it possible for me to play ultimate. I would love to see some coherent tournament reports from all events, but esp. the biggest ones. But I slightly disagree with Roger about the TD doing it. I think we would get better (in lots of ways) reports if they were written by people who wanted to do it, and arrived at a tournament knowing that they would do it. My idea was to be able to arrive at this situation by asking people to come forward to write something for the Tour Newsletter. (Interestingly, now that I've started swearing about it, several of my friends have come forward and offered!) So I was following Roger's advice and delegating. I just thought it would be easier to delegate from one place rather than 5 different places. Essentially we all agree, which is nice. Please continue to offer your help if you want to write a tournament report. You don't have to do more than one. Hey! - you could even just do half a one! Thats all! Me: Hey Roger, you've started something, and you may even be off the hook on my delegation. But that is a way forward, have groups of people writing small reports, that go to the TD, which are then collated. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Mar 23 17:10:05 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id QAA11682 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 16:54:36 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-30.mail.demon.net [194.159.80.130]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA11676 for ; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 16:54:32 GMT Received: from ([158.152.203.174]) [158.152.203.174] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp id 0yHAUW-00011d-00; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 16:54:29 +0000 Subject: Newsletters, reports, making money... Date: Mon, 23 Mar 98 17:01:13 +0000 x-sender: ultimatum@pop3.demon.co.uk x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: Paul Hurt To: "BritDisc" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Message-Id: Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk This discussion has sailed dangerously close to two of my current hobby horses. So for what it's worth... ---------- Reports Yes, tournament reports are nice. But good tournament reports are very hard to write, and require a lot of commitment from the writer both during and after the event. People aren't queueing around the block to write them. My thanks to the few people that do. I agree with Wayne - Having been there myself, I'd argue that TD's are actually in about the *worst* position to write reports as they're always way too preoccupied with keeping the tournament running smoothly to know how the games are actually going. As Roger said, the key is to "delegate". I'm just unsure whose responsibility it should be to delegate this particular job. The TD? Or the newsletter editor? TD's really have enough on their plate already, and editors probably have a better idea of what they need for their publication, so I'd vote for the latter. With the old Ultimatum, Stu Clark was "reports editor". His job was to i) make sure he got hold of proper results and ii) to try to rope people into writing reports. It worked quite well, but then he left the country (probably the pressure, needed a long holiday :-) If anyone would be willing to take over from him, please let me know (note that the job doesn't actually entail WRITING the reports, just finding other mugs willing to write them). With the current state of Ultimate, any report someone writes on an event is a bonus. Try as one might, you simply can't *guarantee* good-quality reports from every tournament. Yes, it's worth trying to organise it a bit better, but at the end of the day we should be grateful for whatever we get. I know I am. ------------------------- And in a related issue... As for the Tour events being "a license to make money".... er, I don't think so. TD's are under immense pressure to keep the team entry fee as cheap as possible. Simply breaking even rates as a success. People forget about the multitude of expenses that have to be met over and above the basic cost of booking pitches (which in the "real" world don't come cheap). It adds up to a lot of cash, and a considerable risk if you get the budgeting wrong, or less teams enter than expected. For instance, unbeknown to the happy campers attending, the Lurkers tournament regularly lost incredible sums of money. Yet it was one of the most popular dates of the old calendar. So I'm frequently dismayed by the wails of objection to paying any more than about 75 quid per team. Ultimate is INSANELY good value for money. I know of no other sport where you can get an entire weekend's tournament play for under a tenner per head. If as players we want the right to "expect" certain things from tournament organisers (e.g. tournament reports, nice pitches, proper showers, good parties, medical cover, scoreboards, pitchside water, etc) I think we really need to be amenable to paying higher entry fees. I get the impression that many players are no longer content with "shoestring" tournaments, and the BUF is sensibly trying to instigate a "minimum standards" for Tour events. But arranging all these extras adds considerably to a tournament director's workload. If at the end of it all, TD's aren't allowed to make a reasonable profit as some kind of recompense, how can we expect them to ever contemplate running another event? Ultimate has a inherited a dubious "it should all be free/as cheap as possible" culture, where everything is done "for the love of the sport". Admirable in many respects, but I think this attitude needs to change a little if the sport is to grow beyond it's current rather insignificant status. Okay, I'm done now. Let me just get my fire-proof suit on... Paul --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Hurt Editor, Ultimatum Magazine, London, England editor@ultimatum.demon.co.uk Visit Ultimatum Online... http://www.ultimatum.demon.co.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Mar 23 17:53:01 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id RAA17092 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 17:31:39 GMT Received: from apollo.le.ac.uk (apollo.le.ac.uk [143.210.16.125]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA17084 for ; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 17:31:36 GMT Received: from harrier.le.ac.uk by apollo with SMTP (local); Mon, 23 Mar 1998 17:33:24 +0000 Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 17:31:17 +0000 (GMT) From: "B. Ravilious" X-Sender: br5@harrier To: Britdisc Subject: All fur coat and no knickers! Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Well it seems the chattering classes are alive and well! Can't acually remember the last Shotgun tournament... Paul Hurt, you are a wise old sage. I agree 100% with your contribution. I dislike being accused of ripping-off teams who come to Leicester tournaments. Running a big event is a shit load of work and I expect my club to make some money out of it! It was particularly galling this year for my team to be denied our regional indoor trophy because some lazy buggers in the SE couldn't be bothered to run their own tournament. I would say this to the next person who has a "good idea" for the sport: YOU bring it to life. See what little enthusiasm you get the moment the pipe dreaming stops and the work begins. Ben ================================================================================ Ben Ravilious, (0116) 2559638 home br5@le.ac.uk (0116) 2525824 work ORACLE Trial Playing Ultimate for RED University of Leicester www.ultimateweb.co.uk/red/ ================================================================================ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Mar 23 18:18:43 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id SAA21137 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 18:00:03 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-30.mail.demon.net [194.159.80.130]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA21122 for ; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 18:00:00 GMT Received: from ([158.152.203.174]) [158.152.203.174] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp id 0yHBVs-0004fb-00; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 17:59:56 +0000 Subject: Re: All fur coat and no knickers! Date: Mon, 23 Mar 98 18:06:43 +0000 x-sender: ultimatum@pop3.demon.co.uk x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: Paul Hurt To: "Britdisc" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Message-Id: Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk >Paul Hurt, you are a wise old sage Oi! Less of the old! Even if it does happen to be true (I *was* trying to keep it quiet). :-) Paul From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Mar 23 19:51:18 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id TAA01787 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 19:34:13 GMT Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (root@carlton.innotts.co.uk [194.176.128.2]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA01777 for ; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 19:34:08 GMT From: jester@innotts.co.uk Received: from serialB22.innotts.co.uk (serialB22.innotts.co.uk [194.176.130.99]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA11630; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 19:33:59 GMT To: Mark Jefferson Cc: britdisc Subject: Re: The (near) future of disc sports..... Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 19:33:13 GMT Message-ID: <3517b5bd.2262310@mailhost.innotts.co.uk> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id TAA01781 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk On Sun, 22 Mar 98 23:09:56 GMT, you wrote: >Hello everyone, > >Before you give up on what sounds like a dry, unimaginative ramble >can I ask that you read this in full, and judge later? Cheers. > Well, I have a few brain cells I'm not using for anything else, so I'll volunteer to get involved in the brain storming, and see what happens from there. -- Andy Brown From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Mar 24 09:48:09 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id JAA01953 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 09:26:55 GMT Received: from [194.112.57.100] (th-eng11-100.pool.dircon.co.uk [194.112.57.100]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA01925 for ; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 09:26:43 GMT Subject: Shotgun Tourneys Message-Id: <000000566712973576450@daletaylor.co.uk> From: nolan@daletaylor.co.uk (Nolan Taylor, Dale Taylor Ltd) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 09:27:29 +0000 Organization: Dale Taylor Ltd X-Mailer: CommuniGate 2.9.8 Reply-To: nolan@daletaylor.co.uk (Nolan Taylor, Dale Taylor Ltd) To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Britdisc) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id JAA01947 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk On Mon, Mar 23, 1998, 5:31:17 pm GMT B. Ravilious wrote: >Well it seems the chattering classes are alive and well! > >Can't acually remember the last Shotgun tournament... > Well here is a classic example of the ignorant and ungrateful attitude of certain members of the Ultimate community. Shotgun have not only held 2 or 3 small tourneys recently, publicised on email, but they've been FREE. Also, I as a member of Shotgun, run the British Open, thus far an entirely NON profit making venture! Do I hear an apology? Nolan --------------------------------------- Nolan Taylor Dale Taylor Ltd Email: nolan@daletaylor.co.uk Tel: 01323 430700 Fax: 01323 430223 --------------------------------------- From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Mar 24 10:34:08 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id KAA08640 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 10:16:47 GMT Received: from pp.dundee.ac.uk (pp.dundee.ac.uk [134.36.2.60]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA08628 for ; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 10:16:45 GMT Received: from dux.dundee.ac.uk by pp.dundee.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Tue, 24 Mar 1998 10:20:01 +0000 Received: from 134.36.142.53 by dux.dundee.ac.uk (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4-S2000) id KAA08940; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 10:16:34 GMT Message-ID: <3517882E.2C38@dundee.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 10:17:19 +0000 From: Jester Reply-To: j.m.wilson@dundee.ac.uk Organization: Duncan of Jordanstone X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-AICK1-2 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Novelty discs, rack you brains References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk My fellow BritDisc users In this time of turmoile, this time of mails concerning rules, reports and the Tour, I would like to bring peace back to BritDisc by asking a question in no way related to the any of the previoulsy discussed sujects. Does anyone have, or know where I could get, any novelty disc realated items? I'm really interested in novelty discs, y'know the sort of thing I mean, ones made from foam or other indoor types. Does any origami expert out there know how to make a disc that flies out of paper or card? I've heard of fold-a-way frisbees made of plastic too. I want to use a novelty disc as a way of promoting my Interactive Ultimate Information Point which I'm designing at art college. Don't worry if you can't give me precise information, I just need somewhere to start looking. So if your Grandmother's dog walker used to know a girl who's father's second cousin once took a walk in the park and saw out of the corner of his eye something that might have been a disc different from a 175 Ultrastar, I want to hear from you! ;-) Cheers in advance All the bester Jester Dundee Ultimate Shooting Stars* In no control for '98 From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Mar 24 10:38:10 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id KAA08306 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 10:15:04 GMT Received: from venus.le.ac.uk (pp@venus.le.ac.uk [143.210.16.123]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA08292 for ; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 10:15:02 GMT Received: from harrier.le.ac.uk by venus.le.ac.uk with SMTP (local); Tue, 24 Mar 1998 10:12:27 +0000 Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 10:12:22 +0000 (GMT) From: "B. Ravilious" X-Sender: br5@harrier To: Britdisc Subject: Re: Shotgun Tourney In-Reply-To: <000000566692973576274@daletaylor.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk ================================================================================ Ben Ravilious, (0116) 2559638 home br5@le.ac.uk (0116) 2525824 work ORACLE Trial Playing Ultimate for RED University of Leicester www.ultimateweb.co.uk/red/ ================================================================================ On Tue, 24 Mar 1998, Nolan Taylor, Dale Taylor Ltd wrote: > On Mon, Mar 23, 1998, 5:31:17 pm GMT B. Ravilious wrote: > >Can't acually remember the last Shotgun tournament... > > > Well here is a classic example of the ignorant and ungrateful attitude of >certain members of the Ultimate community. I am grateful to you for the British Open. I am not *quite* so grateful to Roger who seems to have had an awful lot of "good ideas" just as I'm in a blind panic trying to get Tour 1 organised! > Shotgun have not only held 3 tourneys recently, publicised on email, but they've been FREE. Also, I as a member of Shotgun, run the British Open, thus far an entirely NON profit making venture! Publicised on email - thats an oxymoron surely ;-) > Do I hear an apology? Yes, SORRY Nolan. I didn't consider the Open as a Shotgun Tournament - just think of it as your baby. I just don't like being lectured by players who dont *appear* to do any organising themselves. Still... I suppose the customer is always right! Workers of the world uniting Ben PS, Nolan, Did you get my email regarding getting someone from Leicester City COuncil to this years' Open? They want to see a top tournament for themselves (Hows that for brown-nosing!?) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Mar 24 13:56:23 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id NAA13606 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 13:41:58 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-10.mail.demon.net [193.195.0.154]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA13591 for ; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 13:41:54 GMT Received: from rfeltham.demon.co.uk ([194.222.105.80]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa1005502; 24 Mar 98 13:39 GMT Message-ID: Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 13:38:21 +0000 To: Britdisc From: Andrew Feltham Subject: Disc's for sale MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Version 3.03a Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hello everyone, Just to let you know that i ( andrew Feltham ) am now selling Discrfat Ultrastars. The cost of these discs are just SIX POUNDS + p&p. They are in four different colour combinations, but are generally white or black discs. If you want a new disc visit www.rfeltham.demon.co.uk/index.htm and click on 'Discs for sale on the left hand side. Hope to be hearing from you soon. Andrew Feltham Andrew Feltham - Hurricane Ultimate Player, 74 Broadway, Letchworth, Herts, SG6 3PQ Tel 01462 672825 Fax 01462 486287 E-Mail : andrew@rfeltham.demon.co.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Mar 24 14:35:10 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id OAA20571 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 14:20:30 GMT Received: from spock.tinet.ie (spock.tinet.ie [159.134.237.8]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA20551 for ; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 14:20:24 GMT Received: from sepro.ie (p2-as1.dubadl.tinet.ie [159.134.226.2]) by spock.tinet.ie (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA26276; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 14:20:09 GMT Received: by SEPRO_PETERB with Microsoft Mail id <01BD572F.AE5BC090@SEPRO_PETERB>; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 14:18:13 -0000 Message-ID: <01BD572F.AE5BC090@SEPRO_PETERB> From: Peter Bennison To: "Britdisc (E-mail)" , "EuroDisc (E-mail)" Subject: Dublin Tournament - Last call Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 14:18:12 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id OAA20560 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Here's the link for all the info on how/when to get here. Please let me know you're coming, if you haven't already. http://www.cs.may.ie/~trenaman/ultimate/DublinUltimate.html Let me know if you need a text only copy of the data on this web site. Sorry about the size (700K) of the maps, but I think you might forgive me for the slow download if you get lost. See you at the tournie! Peter Bennison mailto:pbennison@sepro.ie Tournament Director Simon Cocking +353 1 454 9817 From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Mar 24 15:21:07 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id PAA29425 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 15:04:15 GMT Received: from renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk (renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk [129.215.13.3]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA29402 for ; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 15:04:11 GMT Received: from arran.sms.ed.ac.uk (arran.sms.ed.ac.uk [129.215.13.5]) by renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA06629 for ; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 15:04:09 GMT Message-Id: <199803241504.PAA06629@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> Received: from SMS-ARRAN/SpoolDir by arran.sms.ed.ac.uk (Mercury 1.31); 24 Mar 98 15:04:10 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by SMS-ARRAN (Mercury 1.31); 24 Mar 98 15:04:06 +0000 From: "Possum" <9466830@arran.sms.ed.ac.uk> Organization: Student Mail Service To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 15:04:03 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Reports for Tour X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk For the first time in Sneeeky's history, we have produced a semi-regular newsletter. It is our publicity officer that produces this, but as you might expect they won't always be attendance for every tournament. Our solution was to make the Captain of any/every team we take to a tournament to right a report on their teams results. After some editing the Publicity Office has a completed report and we hand it out to the club members. Obviously this would be a greater headache for the editor, but the keypoints could easily be grabbed typed from the many team reports to complete the tournament report. If this kind of format was used I'd happily help with this, but from the shear scale of the task it's not a one person job with the present format. Possum. Darroch "Possum" Reid, Sneeeky's Edinburgh University Ultimate Frisbee Club D.J.Reid@sms.ed.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Mar 24 17:23:25 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id RAA22758 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 17:09:35 GMT Received: from polaris.kbw.co.uk (kbw.ltd.uk [193.132.201.37]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA22732 for ; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 17:09:30 GMT Received: by dns1.kbw.co.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 17:14:37 -0000 Message-ID: From: Roger Thomson To: Britdisc Subject: Too many Gap clothes and Kickers! Get some camo you lightweights. Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 17:14:33 -0000 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Dear All, My final words on tournie reports as Ben's flower pot appears close to bursting: 1) We all agree we need good ones. 2) We agree it takes >1 person. 3) We only need to decide whether it should be an Ultimatum, TD or BUF-driven job. I don't know who decides, that's officialdom's job and you lot wear the uniforms. At the moment Si Hill is dealing with it, cheers Si. As far as I know, things are in such a state at the moment that we'd struggle to work out who won such and such a tournie two years ago if we didn't know it was Shotgun. We should be archiving this shit on the web. You guys want to look back and tell your grandchildren don't you? 'We came second in this....'. More seriously, it's good for publicity/recognition/sponsorship/history (when we're the biggest sport in town rather than the smallest pondlife wearing cleats) etc. SERIOUS READERS PLEASE LEAVE THIS MAIL NOW. On a lighter note: 4) Sort it out you load of noncers! 5) Chris Hughes may think he can delegate to me, but Chris, you delegate down the food chain, not 400 generations into the future. By the way, how's your pet sabretooth? 6) Quote Ben Ravilious: "I am grateful to you for the British Open. I am not *quite* so grateful to Roger who seems to have had an awful lot of 'good ideas' just as I'm in a blind panic trying to get Tour 1 organised! I just don't like being lectured by players who dont *appear* to do any organising themselves." Shit Ben, do you think the best team in this country runs itself? Well it doesn't. Nor does the Gun website, the Gun accounts; oh and while my memory's working, Strange Blue didn't start all by itself either all those years ago while I was at university. I've brought my quota of good ideas to life, but I'm not asking for a bucketful of nails and a cross. The trumpet I've got will work just fine thanks. 7) As for not getting the Indoor Regional Trophy - AND? This morning I didn't get the mug with the cat's face on it, but my toys are still in the pram. Flame all you like - but didn't your Mum ever tell you: 'don't play with fire'? YOU'LL ONLY GET BURNED! Kind regards, A de-fingered GUNNER 'He's rude and he knows he is, he's rude......' > -----Original Message----- > From: B. Ravilious [SMTP:br5@leicester.ac.uk] > Sent: 23 March 1998 17:31 > To: Britdisc > Subject: All fur coat and no knickers! > > Well it seems the chattering classes are alive and well! > > Can't acually remember the last Shotgun tournament... > > Paul Hurt, you are a wise old sage. I agree 100% with your > contribution. I > dislike being accused of ripping-off teams who come to Leicester > tournaments. Running a big event is a shit load of work and I > expect my club to make some money out of it! It was particularly > galling > this year for my team to be denied our regional indoor trophy because > some > lazy buggers in the SE couldn't be bothered to run their own > tournament. > > I would say this to the next person who has a "good idea" for the > sport: > YOU bring it to life. See what little enthusiasm you get the moment > the > pipe dreaming stops and the work begins. > > Ben > ====================================================================== > ========== > Ben Ravilious, (0116) 2559638 > home > br5@le.ac.uk (0116) 2525824 work > > ORACLE Trial Playing Ultimate for RED > University of Leicester > www.ultimateweb.co.uk/red/ > ====================================================================== > ========== From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Mar 24 18:10:49 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id SAA01912 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 18:02:49 GMT Received: from venus.le.ac.uk (pp@venus.le.ac.uk [143.210.16.123]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA01893 for ; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 18:02:45 GMT Received: from harrier.le.ac.uk by venus.le.ac.uk with SMTP (local); Tue, 24 Mar 1998 18:02:22 +0000 Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 18:02:19 +0000 (GMT) From: "B. Ravilious" X-Sender: br5@harrier To: Britdisc Subject: The Drugs Dont Work In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk On Tue, 24 Mar 1998, Roger Thomson wrote: > Dear All, > > My final words on tournie reports as Ben's flower pot appears close to > bursting: Flobalobalob > 1) We all agree we need good ones. > 2) We agree it takes >1 person. > 3) We only need to decide whether it should be an Ultimatum, TD or > BUF-driven job. I don't know who decides, that's officialdom's job and > you lot wear the uniforms. At the moment Si Hill is dealing with it, > cheers Si. As far as I know, things are in such a state at the moment > that we'd struggle to work out who won such and such a tournie two years > ago if we didn't know it was Shotgun. We should be archiving this shit > on the web. You guys want to look back and tell your grandchildren don't > you? 'We came second in this....'. More seriously, it's good for > publicity/recognition/sponsorship/history (when we're the biggest sport > in town rather than the smallest pondlife wearing cleats) etc. > > SERIOUS READERS PLEASE LEAVE THIS MAIL NOW. > On a lighter note: > > 4) Sort it out you load of noncers! > 5) Chris Hughes may think he can delegate to me, but Chris, you delegate > down the food chain, not 400 generations into the future. By the way, > how's your pet sabretooth? Harsh - but fair! > 6) Quote Ben Ravilious: "I am grateful to you for the British Open. I am > not *quite* so grateful to Roger who seems to have had an awful lot of > 'good ideas' just as I'm in a blind panic trying to get Tour 1 > organised! I just don't like being lectured by players who dont *appear* > to do any organising themselves." Shit Ben, do you think the best > team in this country runs itself? Well it doesn't. Nor does the Gun > website, the Gun accounts; Hey Nolan, how much will you pay me not to post your last letter?! And which team had to be bailed-out by a certain other top UK team cos they didn't get their entry fee in on time? > oh and while my memory's working, Strange > Blue didn't start all by itself either all those years ago while I was > at university. Better go check 'em out then cos all their best players deserted long ago.... > but my toys are still in the pram. As are your tantrums. > > Flame all you like - but didn't your Mum ever tell you: 'don't play with > fire'? > > YOU'LL ONLY GET BURNED! Raaaaaa! > Kind regards, > > A de-fingered GUNNER > > 'He's rude and he knows he is, he's rude......' OK Roger, you're pretty experienced in this game and you've done a lot in the past. But the one thing I notice about this sport is that it is filled by apathetic players, and worse, apathetic players with a gob on them. Perhaps you're not apathetic but your general tone is one of "you should do this, that and the other" which is not conducive to discussion or motivation. I can't help but notice that you voice isn't really represented in the BUF. Why don't you get a little more involved in that? Well its long past my bedtime now and the floor is a mess of mangled toys...seeya.... Ben From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Mar 24 21:24:27 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id VAA22905 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 21:03:28 GMT Received: from monsoon.dial.pipex.net (monsoon.dial.pipex.net [158.43.128.69]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA22896 for ; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 21:03:24 GMT Message-Id: <199803242103.VAA22896@pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Received: (qmail 19173 invoked from network); 24 Mar 1998 21:03:23 -0000 Received: from usera306.uk.uudial.com (HELO default) (193.149.67.52) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 24 Mar 1998 21:03:23 -0000 Reply-To: From: "Matthew Lowe" To: Subject: Cut the crap people and pull your fingers out. Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 20:05:02 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hear ye, hear ye, I may be a beginer, but I know crap when I see it. Roger Thompson, your crap. I don't think britdisc was designed for you to go round spurting hot air, most of which my arse can do better than. If you want to keep talking dirty go and shit up someone elses sport, cause I have had it up to here (¬) with you wasting my time with your slagging matches, pull your finger out and do something. Ben, no disrespect but you are above all this crap fighting as well, the only way Ultimate will get anywere is if we stop this amatuer girly fighting (no offence girls), and start working. As for tourney reports I think who ever suggested the idea of captains writing reports to be submited to tournament reports director (or whatever the title is) has hit the nail on the head. Each match would then have two reports, they could be given to the TD who could then pass them onto the person in charge of the tour magasine, he could then combine the reports to get a good overview of each game, and a could set of results from each tourney. I'll preatty much round off there, but STOP THE FIGHTING. I think this is the first step to improving the sport, I hope that all of you that agree the arguments should stay off britdisc will put a message on here so these people that ruin it for us will know what fools they are. Hope to see you all at tour 1 on Saturday. Matt Lowe (Charnwood Sunz) Matthew.Lowe@Dial.Pipex.com From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Mar 24 23:25:19 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id XAA03819 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 23:06:15 GMT Received: from newmail.virgin.net (newmail.virgin.net [194.168.54.44]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA03814 for ; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 23:06:13 GMT Received: from default ([194.168.72.196]) by newmail.virgin.net (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO203-101c) ID# 1-55555U125000L125000S0) with SMTP id AAA16753 for ; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 23:06:13 +0000 Message-ID: <35183D36.6AA7@virgin.net> Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 23:09:42 +0000 From: Margaret Eagles X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E-VN003 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Tournament reports Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk I don't wish to single anyone out regarding this ongoing discussion, but even if a few of the messages have been a little heated at least for not the first time in recent months the majority of the ultimate community have been thinking about ways in which to improve our sport. Granted by the time the lack of tournaments was discussed it was perhaps too late to do any for this year, but perhaps we will see more in the future. Anyway, one thing we all appear to be agreed on is that we have a collective responsibility for improvements, since we can no longer expect the members of the BUF/BFDF/BDGA committees to carry the can for the rest of us. To that end, Kowpat 1998 in Milton Keynes will give you all the opportunity to contribute to the end of tournament report. With each results slip that teams hand in there will be space for you to write a few brief comments on the game. Since both teams in a game will have to hand in a results slip we should be able to get a balanced perspective. Obviously someone from the Mad Kows will have to use to compile the report, but at least we will know a little about all of the games played, rather than just the scores. At the end of the day you guys will have responsibilty for the bulk of the report, so it will be up to you how the tournament is presented to rest of the ultimate community. Feel free to tell how pants your team played in the first game, so long as you're willing to share this with everyone else. This idea does not seem vastly different from those put forward earlier, which goes to show that we're more than capable of coming up with feasible ideas to make everybody's life a little easier, so rather than keeping them to ourselves lets see if we can do something about them. If you have any more bright ideas then I'm sure Mark Jefferson would like to here from you. In the interim, if you want your say then book your place at KOWPAT '98. Colin Eagles (on behalf of the MAD KOWS) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Mar 24 23:29:52 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id XAA05567 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 23:27:59 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-30.mail.demon.net [194.159.80.130]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA05555 for ; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 23:27:57 GMT Received: from (phidelta.demon.co.uk) [158.152.248.177] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp id 0yHd6o-0000Ls-00; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 23:27:56 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 23:24:08 +0000 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: Wayne Retter Subject: Re: Shotgun Tourneys In-Reply-To: <000000566712973576450@daletaylor.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Trial Version 3.04 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Apologies for bringing this full circle (?) but: "Nolan Taylor" writes >Shotgun have not only held 2 or 3 small tourneys recently... Of course! The Savage Seven events on Wandsworth Common. As far as I'm aware, there've been no reports on their successes? ( I'm going to check the archive and find my fire-proof suit, just in case :) ) Wayne PS: Seriously, though, a) wouldn't it be nice to see something somewhere (in Ultimatum?) about Shotgun contributing to the development of the London Ultimate scene... b) how come the Shotgun website isn't so obvious to find as certain others? -------------------------- Wayne Retter Wayne@phidelta.demon.co.uk http://www.phidelta.demon.co.uk/ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Mar 24 23:59:59 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id XAA07380 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 23:48:20 GMT Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (imo18.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.40]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA07368 for ; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 23:48:16 GMT Received: from Tebewebb@aol.com by imo18.mx.aol.com (IMOv13.ems) id DFUKa26102; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 18:47:36 -0500 (EST) From: Tebewebb Message-ID: <3cafd04f.3518461b@aol.com> Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 18:47:36 EST To: Matthew.Lowe@dial.pipex.com, britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Cut the crap people and pull your fingers out. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 49 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Dearest Matthew, I must weigh in from afar. As you openly admit, you are a beginner, so you can't know what is really going on - no insult intended. Roger and Ben et al aren't fighting. It may seem like it to you, but I assure you what they are doing is arguing and giving shit, which isn't really the same thing. Now Roger has been in some actual email fights that he can tell you about if he wishes, but that's a different topic. Arguing is okay, and so is giving shit, particularly when its good shit, man. The problem with the current shit going on is that its not good, its only okay, which is why it isn't that fun to read. In fact, its boring. Hey Rog and Ben, QUIT BEING FUCKING BORING! Make some real insults! Be creative for a change! You wanna flame, you better bring napalm, baby, cuz we Americans make toast for breakfast with it. Stephen Young, former GUNNER, still Happy from the US of A From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Mar 25 00:53:01 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id AAA12497 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 00:40:40 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-30.mail.demon.net [194.159.80.130]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA12472 for ; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 00:40:31 GMT Received: from ([158.152.203.174]) [158.152.203.174] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp id 0yHeF4-0004xO-00; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 00:40:30 +0000 Subject: Re: You could probably pay me to wear Kickers, but it'd cost you big. Date: Wed, 25 Mar 98 00:47:19 +0000 x-sender: ultimatum@pop3.demon.co.uk x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: Paul Hurt To: "Britdisc" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Message-Id: Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Roger said: >As far as I know, things are in such a state at the moment >that we'd struggle to work out who won such and such a tournie two years >ago if we didn't know it was Shotgun. We should be archiving this shit >on the web. The results of every tournament (apart from the few where the TD lost the results immediately after the presentation) from the beginning of 1995 up until February 1997 have all been published in Ultimatum. We also instigated a separate "results" section specifically to tackle the archiving problem. Sorry about last year, but as you're probably aware, I was having a bit of a crisis with Ultimatum. Full results from 1997 will be in the Ultimatum Review (When I Can Get It Done). Web-wise, an archive of results is destined to be part of Ultimatum Online (WICGID as well). P.S. Ultimatum 36 is on the way. Hoping to have it for the weekend. Paul --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Hurt Editor, Ultimatum Magazine, London, England editor@ultimatum.demon.co.uk Visit Ultimatum Online... http://www.ultimatum.demon.co.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Mar 25 00:53:28 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id AAA12493 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 00:40:40 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-30.mail.demon.net [194.159.80.130]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA12476 for ; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 00:40:33 GMT Received: from ([158.152.203.174]) [158.152.203.174] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp id 0yHeF5-0004xO-00; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 00:40:32 +0000 Subject: Re: The Drugs Dont Work Date: Wed, 25 Mar 98 00:47:21 +0000 x-sender: ultimatum@pop3.demon.co.uk x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: Paul Hurt To: "BritDisc" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Message-Id: Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Ben wrote: > >I can't help but notice that you voice isn't really represented in the >BUF. Why don't you get a little more involved in that? In their defence, several Gunners attended the BUF EGM at Nationals last year. Don't remember many other teams bothering to show up (though of course Leicester were there). Paul --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Hurt Editor, Ultimatum Magazine, London, England editor@ultimatum.demon.co.uk Visit Ultimatum Online... http://www.ultimatum.demon.co.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Mar 25 01:16:55 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id BAA15139 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 01:12:02 GMT Received: from newsgate.dircon.co.uk (uugate1.dircon.co.uk [194.112.50.20]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA15134 for ; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 01:11:59 GMT From: laurab@ehs.co.uk Received: from ehs.co.uk (uucp@localhost) by newsgate.dircon.co.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with UUCP id BAA09816 for britdisc@warwick.ac.uk; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 01:11:48 GMT Message-Id: <199803250111.BAA09816@newsgate.dircon.co.uk> Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 1:09:15 +0100 To: britdisc Subject: FW: Points 1, 2 and 3 MIME-version: 1.0 (Created by TFS) Content-Type: text/plain ; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: TFS Gateway V210U0822M Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id BAA15135 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi guys and gals, I replied direct to Si, but would be interested in people's thoughts on something that might help to resolve the issue of turnament/game reports. Laura ---------- From: Laura Bagshaw To: amtsjh@amsta.leeds.ac.uk Subject: Points 1, 2 and 3 Date: 24 March 1998 15:05 >We've had some very good reports recently, although >not enough. >One of the problems that we have to overcome is >some people may feel daunted about doing this, >not knowing where to start and what's needed. >Maybe we can pull together key points that a >tournament/game report should contain, or even an >outline structure to help, together with a couple of examples >of good reports >What do you think? Laura From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Mar 25 02:05:13 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id BAA18271 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 01:52:49 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-30.mail.demon.net [194.159.80.130]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id BAA18261 for ; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 01:52:32 GMT Received: from ([158.152.203.174]) [158.152.203.174] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp id 0yHfMl-0007S5-00; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 01:52:32 +0000 Subject: Tournament Report Editor req'd Date: Wed, 25 Mar 98 01:59:20 +0000 x-sender: ultimatum@pop3.demon.co.uk x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: Paul Hurt To: "BritDisc" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Message-Id: Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Oh god, sorry about this... Ultimatum Reports Editor Required --------------------------------- Now we're all agreed on the subject, can I repeat my request? Buried in the middle of that huge posting of mine, I mentioned the job that Stu Clark used to do for Ultimatum - i.e. coordinating the writing of tournament reports and making sure we have full results from every tournament. I'm still looking for someone to take over from Stu. Does anyone with reasonably good writing skills want to stick their neck out and say "Hey, yes, I want to help British Ultimate in some small way..." ? Note that I'm not asking you to WRITE the reports, though you may need to (sub)edit them a little. E-mail and a computer will come in handy. If this is you, please get in touch with me. Thanks. Paul --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Hurt Editor, Ultimatum Magazine, London, England editor@ultimatum.demon.co.uk Visit Ultimatum Online... http://www.ultimatum.demon.co.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Mar 25 02:36:56 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id CAA20650 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 02:25:05 GMT Received: from mailhost.dircon.co.uk (mailhost.dircon.co.uk [194.112.32.10]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA20635 for ; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 02:25:03 GMT Received: from [194.112.55.130] (th-eng05-130.pool.dircon.co.uk [194.112.55.130]) by mailhost.dircon.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.7) with SMTP id CAA08057 for ; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 02:25:00 GMT Message-Id: <199803250225.CAA08057@mailhost.dircon.co.uk> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.0a (190) Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2000 02:29:44 +0000 Subject: Re: Shotgun Tourneys (delete if you think this might be "boring") From: "Ollie Watson" To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3032389784_643764_MIME_Part" Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk > THIS MESSAGE IS IN MIME FORMAT. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3032389784_643764_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Ooh, the water's getting about warm enough for me to wade in too, you guys better be careful or we'll have Pizey subscribing to Britdisc soon, and believe me as Si Hill can testify, this is not pretty. Firstly to one and all the new Shotgun website can be found at: http://www.kbw.co.uk/shotgun how come the Shotgun website isn't so obvious to find as certain others? Many apologies for it not appearing in your latest copy of .Net Wayne, but Roj & Harv only finished it last week! Steven I'm suprised, Arguing is okay, and so is giving shit, particularly when its good shit, man. The problem with the current shit going on is that its not good, its only okay, which is why it isn't that fun to read. In fact, its boring. I thought "but I'm not asking for a bucketful of nails and a cross. The trumpet I've got will work just fine thanks." was almost poetic, laugh I nearly joined Catch 22! Ben, mate, can't you see the bullet holes in your feet? If the stress of organising Tour 1 is causing you this much incoherence: Flobalobalob (!), inaccuracy: Better go check 'em out then cos all their best players deserted long ago.... (rubbish, I was in Cambridge last weekend, the "best players" are still there....getting them to tournaments is another matter.....!) contradiction: apathetic players with a gob on them. Perhaps you're not apathetic (?? so who you refering to?) AND your inbox is left smouldering, it's hardly a good advert for would be organisers! My advice, leave the flaming alone, concentrate on making Leicester an excellent tourney and then we'll all love you afterwards. Shotgun vs Red first game Sat? --MS_Mac_OE_3032389784_643764_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: Shotgun Tourneys (delete if you think this might be "boring")</T= ITLE> </HEAD> <BODY BGCOLOR=3D"#FFFFFF"> Ooh,<BR> <BR> the water's getting about warm enough for me to wade in too, you guys bette= r be careful or we'll have Pizey subscribing to Britdisc soon, and believe m= e as Si Hill can testify, this is not pretty.<BR> Firstly to one and all the new Shotgun website can be found at:<BR> http://www.kbw.co.uk/shotgun<BR> how come the Shotgun website isn't so obvious to find as certain<BR> others?<BR> Many apologies for it not appearing in your latest copy of .Net Wayne, but = Roj & Harv only finished it last week!<BR> Steven I'm suprised,<BR> <FONT SIZE=3D"1"><TT>Arguing is okay, and so is giving shit, particularly whe= n its good shit, man.<BR> The problem with the current shit going on is that its not good, its only<B= R> okay, which is why it isn't that fun to read. In fact, its boring.<BR> </TT></FONT>I thought <FONT SIZE=3D"1"><TT> "but I'm not asking for a bu= cketful of nails and a cross. The trumpet I've got will<BR> work just fine thanks." </TT></FONT>was almost poetic, laugh I nearly = joined Catch 22!<BR> Ben, mate, can't you see the bullet holes in your feet? If the stress of or= ganising Tour 1 is causing you this much <BR> incoherence: Flobalobalob (!),<BR> inaccuracy: <FONT SIZE=3D"3">Better go check 'em out then cos all their best = players deserted long ago.... (rubbish, I was in Cambridge last weekend, the= "best players" are still there....getting them to tournaments is = another matter.....!)<BR> contradiction: </FONT><TT>apathetic players with a gob on them. Perhaps you= 're not apathetic (?? so who you refering to?)<BR> </TT><FONT SIZE=3D"3">AND your inbox is left smouldering, it's hardly a good = advert for would be organisers!<BR> My advice, leave the flaming alone, concentrate on making Leicester an exce= llent tourney and then we'll all love you afterwards.<BR> Shotgun vs Red first game Sat?<BR> </FONT> </BODY> </HTML> --MS_Mac_OE_3032389784_643764_MIME_Part-- From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Mar 25 09:30:50 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id JAA14228 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 09:12:59 GMT Received: from monsoon.dial.pipex.net (monsoon.dial.pipex.net [158.43.128.69]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA14216 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 09:12:57 GMT Message-Id: <199803250912.JAA14216@pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Received: (qmail 19973 invoked from network); 25 Mar 1998 09:12:53 -0000 Received: from usera093.uk.uudial.com (HELO default) (193.149.65.93) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 25 Mar 1998 09:12:53 -0000 Reply-To: <Matthew.Lowe@dial.pipex.com> From: "Matthew Lowe" <Matthew.Lowe@dial.pipex.com> To: <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Hello everybody Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 08:02:10 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi everybody, 1)Anyone who knows of a US Ultimate Mailing list could you plaes tell me and inform me of how to join it. 2) Anyone without a team, currently looking for someone to play for after tour 1. Please contact me. Matt. Matthew.Lowe@Dial.Pipex.com From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Mar 25 09:59:20 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id JAA17254 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 09:38:52 GMT Received: from beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk (beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.129.138]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA17243 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 09:38:44 GMT Received: from cedar.sucs.soton.ac.uk (cedar.sucs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.128.92]) by beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.8/relay-02) with ESMTP id JAA17770; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 09:38:43 GMT Received: from bill (bill.aero.soton.ac.uk [152.78.240.57]) by cedar.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.8/relay-02) with SMTP id JAA12037; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 09:34:01 GMT Message-ID: <3518CFED.14C0@soton.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 09:35:41 +0000 From: Paul Schuricht <P.H.Schuricht@soton.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (X11; I; SunOS 5.5 sun4c) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Matthew.Lowe@dial.pipex.com CC: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Re: Hello everybody References: <199803250912.JAA14216@pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Matthew Lowe wrote: > > Hi everybody, > 1)Anyone who knows of a US Ultimate Mailing list could you plaes tell me > and inform me of how to join it. > The only one I know of is the usenet group rec.sport.disc which is a worldwide group, but very US dominated. But I thought you already new about that one, having asked about any US players coming over to England on it a few days ago. > 2) Anyone without a team, currently looking for someone to play for after > tour 1. Please contact me. > > Matt. > Matthew.Lowe@Dial.Pipex.com seeya Paul From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Mar 25 10:25:30 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id KAA21408 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 10:08:19 GMT Received: from irafs1.ira.uka.de (irafs1.ira.uka.de [129.13.10.100]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA21397 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 10:08:16 GMT Received: from [129.13.2.181] [129.13.2.181] (actually i02mac181.ira.uka.de) by irafs1 with SMTP (PP); Wed, 25 Mar 1998 11:06:49 +0100 X-Sender: griesbaum@i02mac198.ira.uka.de Message-Id: <l03102801b13e83fbd368@[129.13.2.181]> In-Reply-To: <3518CFED.14C0@soton.ac.uk> References: <199803250912.JAA14216@pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 11:07:47 +0100 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: Thomas Griesbaum <thgries@ira.uka.de> Subject: Re: Hello everybody Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk At 10:35 Uhr +0100 25.03.1998, Paul Schuricht wrote: >Matthew Lowe wrote: >> >> Hi everybody, >> 1)Anyone who knows of a US Ultimate Mailing list could you plaes >>tell me >> and inform me of how to join it. >> >The only one I know of is the usenet group rec.sport.disc which is a >worldwide group, but very US dominated. [...] Richard Griffith of Canada set up the first (worldwide) Ultimate mailing list about one year before rec.sport.disc was set up and his list still is running. However, it only acts as a relay between rec.sport.disc and its subscribers. Therefore it no longer is a strict "Ultimate" mailing list, as disc golfers also regularly post in r.s.d. So, if you do not have access to news, subscribe to Rich's list. You will receive all r.s.d. posts (which can be quite a lot on busy days) in digest form. Here is more information from one of the recent digests: --------------------------------------------------------------- This is an <ultimate@doe.carleton.ca> mailing list batch forward of messages from the USENET newsgroup rec.sport.disc devoted to the discussion of flying disc based sports. To send to the list use the address <ultimate@doe.carleton.ca>, which will normally be a reply to this message. Edit your reply to remove any extra material. To join this mailing list send a message to <ultimate-request@doe.carleton.ca> containing a line of the form SUBSCRIBE ultimate your@mailing.address.here -------------------------------------------------------------- But, since r.s.d. really is US dominated I recommend news access. Regards, Thomas From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Mar 25 10:57:17 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id KAA27468 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 10:43:51 GMT Received: from ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk (cusexim@ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.6]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA27460 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 10:43:49 GMT Received: from caj1.arch.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.34.20]) by ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.891 #2) for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk id 0yHner-0000NO-00; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 10:43:45 +0000 Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 10:42:15 GMT From: "Dora A. Kemp" <dak12@cam.ac.uk> To: <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: The Drugs Dont Work X-Mailer: Mulberry [1.0.1, s/n #10001] X-Authenticated: dak12 by imap.cus.cam.ac.uk X-Licensed-To: University of Cambridge MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <E0yHner-0000NO-00@ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Whoa, chill out and leave us out of this. Roger said > oh and while my memory's working, Strange > Blue didn't start all by itself either all those years ago while I was > at university. Ben replied Better go check 'em out then cos all their best players deserted long ago.... @@@@@@@@@@@ We may have a fairly beginner oriented tournament team now, but our Best players still practice with us and the Strange Blue spirit lives on Dora Whatever does good should be held in honour, and the only shame is in doing harm. - Plato McDonald Institute for Archaeological Research Downing Street, Cambridge, England, CB2 3ER (01223) 339336; (01223) 333536 (FAX)/(01223) 339285; dak12@cam.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Mar 25 11:17:28 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id LAA01261 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 11:03:43 GMT Received: from apollo.le.ac.uk (apollo.le.ac.uk [143.210.16.125]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA01245 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 11:03:36 GMT Received: from harrier.le.ac.uk by apollo with SMTP (local); Wed, 25 Mar 1998 11:05:16 +0000 Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 11:03:12 +0000 (GMT) From: "B. Ravilious" <br5@leicester.ac.uk> X-Sender: br5@harrier To: Britdisc <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: TOUR 1 ACCOMMODATION: LAST ORDERS! Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.96.980325105450.9753A-100000@harrier> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk To all Tour 1 teams, Just to say that if you want accommodation (ie floor space) this weekend you CANNOT afford to leave it until then. Please, phone Duncan on 0116 2530954 this evening. We can't help otherwise because of the number of teams attending (32). Captains meeting is at 9:30am with 1st games at 10am. And yes, Ollie and others, I am suffering the stresses of organising a tournament! But I hope it'll be a good one... Weather report is for squally showers - that should separate the wheat from the chaff. Ben Surfing the flames. ================================================================================ Ben Ravilious, (0116) 2559638 home br5@le.ac.uk (0116) 2525824 work ORACLE Trial Playing Ultimate for RED University of Leicester www.ultimateweb.co.uk/red/ ================================================================================ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Mar 25 11:52:33 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id LAA06340 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 11:38:19 GMT Received: from apollo.le.ac.uk (apollo.le.ac.uk [143.210.16.125]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA06302 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 11:38:08 GMT Received: from harrier.le.ac.uk by apollo with SMTP (local); Wed, 25 Mar 1998 11:39:50 +0000 Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 11:37:46 +0000 (GMT) From: "B. Ravilious" <br5@leicester.ac.uk> X-Sender: br5@harrier To: Britdisc <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: TOUR 1: FRIDAY NIGHT Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.96.980325113445.9753C-100000@harrier> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk If you are coming down on Friday night some of us will be in the Old Horse pub on London Road (beside Victoria Park). We will be there from 7:30pm I'll just go and stick a label on the website map.... Ben ================================================================================ Ben Ravilious, (0116) 2559638 home br5@le.ac.uk (0116) 2525824 work ORACLE Trial Playing Ultimate for RED University of Leicester www.ultimateweb.co.uk/red/ ================================================================================ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Mar 25 12:56:43 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id MAA16171 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 12:46:00 GMT Received: from amsta.leeds.ac.uk (amsta.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA16161 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 12:45:57 GMT Received: from newton.leeds.amsta (newton.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.64]) by amsta.leeds.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA25845 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 12:46:47 GMT Received: by newton.leeds.amsta (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id MAA16090; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 12:48:13 GMT Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 12:48:13 GMT From: amtsjh@amsta.leeds.ac.uk (S J Hill) Message-Id: <199803251248.MAA16090@newton.leeds.amsta> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: bd talk / women's rule / Swindon! X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk 1. Rumbling "discussion" about reports. 2. No change to Women's (and Junior) rules. 3. Entry to Swindon, Relegation from Leicester. 1. Firstly a couple of points about the ongoing ramblings on BD. I think things have got out of hand on the report front. As far as the Tour Newsletter goes, this will be a short, quickly produced single sheet of A4. Most ultimate news will continue to be published more carefully in Ultimatum! The Tour Newsletter will merely be a results-service. So that teams now how many tour points they have, etc... It will include info about the next tour event(s). I just wanted a couple of short, amusing reports to add a bit of meat to what would otherwise be just results. I have also had several people volunteering to do one or two reports. Thanks to them. Hopefully you can all just do one (unless you want to do more) in which case - go for it! I'll be in touch... Commenting on other ideas: Ollie: "laugh I nearly joined Catch 22" ?? Mmm, do you think a team can have two players as slow as you and me? Who will play dump? or do you just want to be water-boy? Captain and game reports: Um - look if I asked myself to write report on every game we played, I think I would slap myself in the face. So God knows what other captains might do to me. (Rog: don't answer that.) General rudeness and silly arguing. Does anyone else remember with fondness the "bog-roll at Ross" argument? Now *THAT* was ridiculous - and yet now there is bog roll at Ross.... usually. Also (Matt) don't forget that some of the people arguing do know each other pretty well. 2. No Change to the Rules After long conversations with Sue Underwood (the GB Women Capt) I feel that it is best that we do NOT rush into altering the rules at this late stage. i) Its difficult to gauge just how many will benefit, and indeed if it will have any benefit to women's ultimate. ii) There was plenty of time for people to see this earlier in the year and make it easier to consult everyone. Its way too late. I blame myself for even considering that we might make a change at such short notice. It doesn't make sense. iii) Sue intends that as many women players as poss. meet this w/e to discuss this and some other questions. (In particular the possibility of a seperate women's division next year, and *maybe* even a trial run at one of this year's events.) If the result of that discussion is that in general people feel that the women's game will be helped by the suggested rule-change, THEN we will have better grounds for doing it. iv) The rules are already extremely flexible. Both the current women's teams that have entered are unrostered. And there is the GUEST rule as well. v) As Harry said, there are many players who have had to make tough decisions about who to play for. I'm not sure that women players should necessarily get off this hook! (Esp. not those who are obviously good enough to be playing in some of the higher-up rostered open teams.) I'm sorry to those players who did want this change to happen. In particular I hope that this does not affect BLISS's ability to field a team. I know that everyone involved here has what they consider to be the best interest of women's ultimate at heart. Its not suprising that we don't all agree. Unfortunately at this point someone had to make a decision - and I wish it hadn't been me - cos then I would have got more work done this week. 3. ENTRY TO SWINDON / RELEGATION FROM LEICESTER As of this morning 27 teams have sent deposits for Swindon! The closing date is Sat. morning. Strcitly speaking you should have either paid Wayne Retter by then or at least agreed with him that you have an excellent reason for not having paid him quite yet. If MORE THAN 32 TEAMS have paid deposits by the closing date then the bottom 4 clubs at Leicester will temporarily be relegated out. Its all in the rules. Don't panic tho' - I doubt this will really happen in quite such a drastic way. If you haven't paid you deposit by this Sat. then you will only get in on the basis of first come first served for any remaining places. If you don't understand, please check the rules before asking me... (sorry to sound mean - but all this stuff is really eating into my work). Can't wait for Saturday! Can't wait for Sunday. Oh - if you have some pitch-marking cones and its easy to bring them it would help us a lot if you could bung them in the boot of your car! Ta. Si From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Mar 25 14:10:05 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id NAA27659 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 13:59:34 GMT Received: from interlock.gartner.com (interlock.gartner.com [198.81.204.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA27486 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 13:58:19 GMT From: emma-jayne.slater@gartner.com Received: by interlock.gartner.com id AA02984 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk); Wed, 25 Mar 1998 08:57:47 -0500 Message-Id: <199803251357.AA02984@interlock.gartner.com> Received: by interlock.gartner.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Wed, 25 Mar 1998 08:57:47 -0500 X-Openmail-Hops: 2 Date: Wed, 25 Mar 98 14:06:24 -0500 Subject: Women's Rule Mime-Version: 1.0 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; name="Text" Content-Disposition: inline; filename="Text" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk In response to the final decision regarding relaxing the women's rule I have just spoken to Tara and has asked me to put this out on Brit Disc. Only two opinions were put out on Brit Disc about this, a negative view point from Harry and a positive from Wayne. How is it that this relaxation of the rules has been disallowed when no other negative views have been made known? Surely as this affects quite a few players which prompted the request in the first place if there has been any negative views these should have been made known for more people to respond. Can you please explain what reasons there are for this constraining of women's ultimate? We both feel that perhaps more people could have become involved about the subject over the Brit Disc forum for discussion, perhaps more so than discussions about the tournament reports!! I personally emailed Si with my opinion that I would eventually like to see a complete division in the game between women's and men's ultimate. At competition level in any sport this is necessary and it is the way that the game has progressed in more advanced ultimate countries. Of course co-ed still exists, but in properly run co-ed tournaments. However, this has to be done in such a way, and at such a time, when it will not stop women playing or joining the sport. I also feel, though, that I would like more key women players totally committing to the womens game. My final thoughts to Si on this subject were that perhaps a relaxation of the rules this year with the understanding that it would not be the same next year would mean that women look to align themselves with a women's team ready for next season. The tour could then run this year without Bliss losing numbers and with an emphasis on the preparation for more women's teams next year. Thanks E-J From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Mar 25 14:51:20 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id OAA02778 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 14:29:20 GMT Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (imo19.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.41]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA02757 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 14:29:04 GMT Received: from Tebewebb@aol.com by imo19.mx.aol.com (IMOv13.ems) id FVSIa05227; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 09:26:26 -0500 (EST) From: Tebewebb <Tebewebb@aol.com> Message-ID: <a43c957a.35191415@aol.com> Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 09:26:26 EST To: ollie@class-a.co.uk, britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Shotgun Tourneys (delete if you think this might be "boring") Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 49 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk My apologies to Rog. Olla, you are quite right, that is a good one, and somehow it slipped my mind in the middle of my email. As we also say in America . . . doooh! Stephen From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Mar 25 16:29:32 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id QAA21180 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 16:11:08 GMT Received: from smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk (smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk [193.114.232.134]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA21156 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 16:11:04 GMT From: Wayne_Retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk Received: from ccMail by smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk (IMA Internet Exchange 2.12 Enterprise) id 00030ABC; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 16:09:52 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 16:08:33 +0000 Message-ID: <00030ABC.4069@watsonwyatt.co.uk> Subject: Transport to Rotterdam To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Rotterdam, Harbour '98 Tournament It may seem a bit early yet, but beleive me, it's time to book these things! We currently have one space available in a Fiat Uno, travelling at the following times: Wednesday 20th May South London(ish) to Harwich During the afternoon, before the rush hour! Harwich to Hook 7.30pm Stena HSS (approx 3 hours) Hook to Kralingen (pitches) Monday 25th May Kralingen to Hook 6.00am ish!?! Hook to Harwich 7.20am Stena HSS (approx 3 hours) Harwich to South London(ish) The cost will be a share of the GBP 120.00 ish (car including passengers) ferry crossing + Petrol. If anybody is interested, please reply to this message Wayne Retter wayne_retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk PS: The car *might* change, and if it does there *might* be another space available... ________________________________________________________________ Notice of Confidentiality This transmission is intended for the named addressee only. It contains information which may be confidential and which may also be privileged. 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Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 14:45:30 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi all, So some people think Roger is funny (?), others think I am right (?) and Si thinks it's just friendly chatter. Fine, it's just I don't like getting home at the end of a hard day to check my E-Mail and find 10 mails, 5 of which are people having their only little friendly wars. Couldn't you just mail these items stright to the person your insulting, rather than every body else having to read it. Oh Roger, thanks for taking the piss out of someone with difficulties learning english, it really boosts a retards confidence :-( Thanks to all of those who have E-Mailed me over the last few weeks to say "Welcome to the world of Ultimate", it's good to know the majority of you are intrested in the sport and not your ego's, I hope to see some of you at tour 1, especially Laura Bagshaw and Aaron Altman, who mailed me welcoming letters and be Ravilious for all his help in setting up for tour 1. Keep it up people. Matt. Matthew.Lowe@Dial.Pipex.com From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Mar 25 18:42:42 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id SAA13741 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 18:28:48 GMT Received: from hil-img-9.compuserve.com (hil-img-9.compuserve.com [149.174.177.139]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA13719 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 18:28:42 GMT Received: (from root@localhost) by hil-img-9.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/2.10) id NAA22919 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 13:28:11 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 13:27:49 -0500 From: Andy Hughes <dunns@compuserve.com> Subject: BFDF March minutes To: britdisc <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Message-ID: <199803251328_MC2-37EB-FF61@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id SAA13727 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi everyone With such a lively Britdisc at the moment, I'm almost reluctant to throw another chunk of text at you all, but feel it needs to be done! First by way of explanation for what's about to follow . . . The British Flying Disc Federation (BFDF) was formed in June '96 with the intention of providing a focus for the development of all disc sports in the UK. It works in tandem, and with the co-operation of, the BUF and BDGA, who quite correctly concentrate on the development of their own branch of disc sports. The group meet regularly (typically every couple of months) for a progress meeting and in between those meetings are responsible for moving agreed projects forward. So it occurred to us that while we are holding regular meetings and getting on with doing what we can to develop various projects (which you can read more of in the minutes that follow) a wider audience should get to find out what we're doing and have the opportunity to participate in the discussions. Posting the minutes of the meetings here is one way of finding that wider audience. I'm sure the gentle readers of Britdisc will let us know if they feel posting stuff like this is in some way inappropriate, but equally if there are things in here that spark something - well great, because we'd love to hear from you - good or bad, as long as it's constructive. Most of the BFDF executive subscribe to Britdisc so you could post it here, or if it's something you don't want to take up in a public forum (you're shy!?) you can contact me direct on andy@dunns.co.uk. Or indeed speak to Sam, Del or Scott at some tournie or other. So I know it must be like joining a soap somewhere in the middle of its ten year run (and it certainly won't be half as dramatic as John Archer going under that tractor) but here you are if you want to read them . . . Andy Hughes Secretary BFDF *********************************** Agenda of BFDF Meeting 12 March, 1998 Present: Andy Hughes - Secretary BFDF Mark Jefferson - Development Officer BFDF Dave 'Sam' Neilson - Director BFDF Ian 'Scott' Scotland - Director BUF Apologies: Jo Pears - Administrator BFDF Derek Robins - Director BDGA * * * * * * * Matters Arising DN has now clearly defined and agreed MJ's development officer role Coaching Scheme latest After a period of setbacks with sports bodies concerned, Simon Moore now seems to be very confident of progress with the coaching scheme and hopes to have more detailed information about the Ultimate specific modules available by Leicester Tournament at the end of March. SM keen that disc sports need to find suitable coaches quickly to begin their work, and that those people who've already begun to collect the relevant general modules required are likely to qualify quickly as a level two coach. DN to find out more detail of what changes have been made to the scheme as previously presented. DN to speak with David Grayson as Coaching Development Officer to discuss his plans, and find a way ASAP of making background information about the coaching scheme available to all from the BFDF web site. Kevin Lowe is also to be kept informed as the coaching and schools projects will be so closely related. Financial Update Following on from the last meeting covering the rather sad state of the BFDF finances, DN has more clearly defined the more pressing issues requiring the attention of the treasurer. Goals now agreed with Steve Kennedy (Kenny) are: bring the BFDF accounts up to date particularly in respect of subscription funds from BUF and BDGA ensure all other monies collected from individuals on behalf of the BFDF are accurately documented and moved to the BFDF account begin work on details of transactions leading to a presentation of annual financial report/summary at the AGM Prepare renewal/reminder letter to ensure prompt payment of memberships from both individuals and organisations Initiate and prepare a discussion paper for the BFDF board to consider finding other sources of funds DN to follow up initial discussions with SK and ensure goals are met. Leaflets Printed leaflets for inclusion in discs now delivered. JP & AH to speak with disc manufacturers and report back next meeting. DN to work with DR & IS to organise a BFDF approved discs leaflet for inclusion in the response pack AOB Handbook Since last meeting AH sent letter and his opinions of draft copy to Leo James to try encourage some action and urgency to get the handbook into production. No response to date - AH to chase. Circulation of minutes In order to create more awareness of the endeavours of the BFDF amongst the player base they represent, the board agreed that AH was to post minutes of these meetings to Britdisc in future to encourage debate and participation in BFDF affairs. Development issues >From the discussion with DN about the role of the development officer MJ now proposed the formation of a working party to work specifically on two identified aspects: (i) growth in the player base nationally (ii) raising the general awareness of disc sport The working party would act as a focus for activity incorporating, co-ordinating and initiating elements of BFDF activity such as youth development and coaching schemes with the additional impetus of a '2000: Year of the Disc' campaign. He proposed for consideration the following list of areas of activity and involvement, which develop the existing aims of the BFDF and would form the focus for the group's attention: Fund Raising (including merchandising and sponsorship) Publicity (including targeted mailings, stunts, activities, leaflets) Schools Project (packs, teams project, coaching, local authority involvement, demo programme Coaching Scheme (BFDF youth development positions using accredited coaches) External Relations The ideas were enthusiastically received, though with reservations expressed by AH about the organisation's ability to deliver all of such an ambitious package. The proposals were to be worked up and refined by the group prior to the next meeting. MJ was asked to sound out potential members of the working party. Minutes prepared by Andy Hughes - Secretary BFDF circulated: 23 March 1998 From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Mar 25 20:23:01 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id UAA24980 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 20:11:28 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-30.mail.demon.net [194.159.80.130]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA24966 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 20:11:22 GMT Received: from (phidelta.demon.co.uk) [158.152.248.177] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yHwW8-0004JI-00; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 20:11:20 +0000 Message-ID: <ru+D3JA$2VG1EwKO@phidelta.demon.co.uk> Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 19:40:47 +0000 To: BritDisc <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>, Merrick Cardew <merrick.cardew@g4tech.co.uk> From: Tour II TD <tour2@phidelta.demon.co.uk> Subject: Tour II Entry Deadline MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Trial Version 3.04 <pjZRgFWDsQK5ViyP$l4rxVrb6a> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk The Tour II entry deadline is FRIDAY 28 MARCH '98 so you only have one more day to post your cheque to beat it! (I don't know exactly what happens if you miss the deadline, but I suspect priority will be given to the teams that paid before it, and the "Blacklist" sounds pretty ominous!) As at 25 March 98, entrance payments have been received from: First Touch Catch 22 Fluid Druids Headrush Skunks Twin Peaks Chaos Fingers 6 Nightfever * Whiplash * Sneeekys * Jedi Children Strange Blue Chevron Action Flash Red Shift * Cash at Leicester has been guaranteed by: GB Juniors K-Niggets * Bliss * And promises of 'payment coming soon' received from: Mad Kows Shotgun So why haven't I heard from the following, who've paid their deposits: Village People UTI Red I Red II Mild Mannered Janitors Blue Arse Flies As far as I'm concerned, cheques I find waiting for me when I get home from Leicester will get higher priority than monies given by hand at Leicester (unless you've made a prior arrangement with me)... AND I WANT THE CONTACT DETAILS FILLED IN, TOO! Teams marked * should ensure that they've paid the BUF Deposit to Dora Kemp... you're not on my current list as having done so. Wayne Retter also at wayne_retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk -- Tour II TD tour2@phidelta.demon.co.uk http://www.phidelta.demon.co.uk/u8-98/tour2/ Layout Dreams From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Mar 26 12:01:10 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id LAA11685 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 11:43:12 GMT Received: from clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@clover-fddi [137.205.4.2]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA11662 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 11:43:07 GMT Received: from exchpk01.chelt.ac.uk (exchpk01.chelt.ac.uk [194.66.194.228]) by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA01516 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 11:43:02 GMT Received: by exchpk01.chelt.ac.uk with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD58AC.460EB4B0@exchpk01.chelt.ac.uk>; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 11:42:36 -0000 Message-ID: <c=GB%a=_%p=CHELT%l=PARKLAN/PARKEXCH/000918CA@exchpk01.chelt.ac.uk> From: "HUGHES, Chris" <CHughes@chelt.ac.uk> To: "britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk" <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>, "emma-jayne.slater@gartner.com" <emma-jayne.slater@gartner.com> Subject: RE: Women's Rule Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 11:34:00 -0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk E-J wrote; > We both feel that perhaps more people could have become involved about > the subject over the Brit Disc forum for discussion, perhaps more so > than discussions about the tournament reports!! Perhaps E-J has a point; whilst this fascinating discussion on tournament reports evolved into a rather impressive display of new techniques with a flame-thrower by Ben and Rog (is that as far as you've got in 400 generations, Roger; you can't be impressed with your progress), some perhaps more serious points have been pushed aside, with very few people commenting. I think people with views need to put them on britdisc for all to see to start the debate, rather like the newsletters, instead of mailing in private. OK it means you've got to be prepared to get shouted at, but if everyone is not prepared to have a discussion, then Si will just end up basing the rules on a few peoples opinions. Lets keep the entertinment factor going, but lets also get some consideration of some serious points. (Don't complain Roger; maybe we'll get more people on Britdisc, and you can try your rapier wit out on them,- us neaderthals are too stupid to notice) Chris From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Mar 26 15:30:31 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id PAA16586 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 15:12:32 GMT Received: from clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@clover-fddi [137.205.4.2]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA16561 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 15:12:28 GMT Received: from door.bzw.com (door.bzw.com [194.205.158.2]) by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA03389 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 15:11:55 GMT Received: (from mailman@localhost) by door.bzw.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id PAA06796 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 15:11:21 GMT Received: from gate.bzw.com(194.205.158.68) by door.bzw.com via smap (V2.0) id xma006652; Thu, 26 Mar 98 15:10:53 GMT Received: (from nobody@localhost) by gate.bzw.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA13259 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 15:11:24 GMT Received: from fwgw01-dmz(194.205.158.129) by gate.bzw.com via smap (V2.0) id xmauk7287; Thu, 26 Mar 98 15:11:20 GMT Received: (from nobody@localhost) by fwgw01.ldn.bzwint.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA16559 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 12:27:06 GMT Received: from oplss0001.itops.ldn.bzwint.com(30.75.1.4) by fwgw01.ldn.bzwint.com via smap (V2.0) id xma016533; Thu, 26 Mar 98 12:27:04 GMT Received: from nmb01gw01 (oplss0001.itops.ldn.bzwint.com [30.75.1.4]) by oplss0001.itops.ldn.bzwint.com (8.8.7/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA20925 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 12:25:01 GMT Received: from exintgw02.itops.ldn.bzwint.com (exintgw02.itops.ldn.bzwint.com [30.52.1.41]) by nmb01gw01 (NTMail 3.02.13) with ESMTP id ya366156 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 12:17:54 +0000 Received: by exintgw02.itops.ldn.bzwint.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <H435KY6S>; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 12:28:37 -0000 Message-ID: <3F607EE191F7D011A75E00805FBE8577A6DCBA@exips0004.itops.ldn.bzwint.com> From: "Challis, Andrew: FISS" <Andrew.Challis@barclayscapital.com> To: "'Britdisc'" <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Women's rule Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 12:30:09 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="MimeMultipartBoundary" Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk --MimeMultipartBoundary Content-Type: text/plain > Surely the issue here is that, as it stands, the Tour could potentially > destroy women's ultimate in this country. > > There's no doubt that the tour supports the promotion of Ultimate as a > serious sport, and for the vast majority of players in this country, it > has made their games more competitive. However, the one crucial area it > does not support is the development of the women's game. > The outdoor Ultimate scene in this country is now heavily dominated by the > tour at the expense of more "open" tournaments. > Harry's points about one rule for all are fine if we live in an Ultimate > Utopia, but we don't. By forcing women (the majority of who want to play > Open as well as Women's) to choose one specific team per tour, you create > obvious problems. While Sue is entering GB women as one team and Bliss > enter another, all the others are playing co-ed, which they will continue > to do until there are enough women's teams to make this division > competitive. Vicious circle? This problem will continue to escalate until > the core people who want to see women's ultimate develop on its own lose > heart and pack it in. > > One way to allow women to play co-ed too at the same tour is to encourage > women's teams register as "A Women's Team", whereby their players can > essentially play for two teams, one Women's and one Open. I accept that > this is backpedalling from the initial idea of the Tour, but which is the > lesser of the two evils: the demise of the women's game as a whole or an > exception made to encourage the growth of this underdeveloped area? > > We can't allow competitive women's ultimate to suffer purely to get > Ultimate more serious recognition. Those of us who went to Vancouver can > testify that the women's match was by far the best game of the finals, and > it would be a great tragedy for us to lose the potential for women players > in this country to compete at that level. The top Open teams always have > international goals as well as domestic, and we often use the domestic > season as a foothold for a summer international. If women's teams aren't > supported more fully at the domestic level and encouraged to play for a > women's team against other women's teams, how else can we achieve these > goals? > > Food for thought, > > Andy - SHOTGUN > --MimeMultipartBoundary-- From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Mar 26 15:30:41 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id OAA12521 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 14:49:19 GMT Received: from newsgate.dircon.co.uk (uugate1.dircon.co.uk [194.112.50.20]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA12499 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 14:49:11 GMT From: laurab@ehs.co.uk Received: from ehs.co.uk (uucp@localhost) by newsgate.dircon.co.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with UUCP id OAA02001; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 14:48:56 GMT Message-Id: <199803261448.OAA02001@newsgate.dircon.co.uk> Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 14:43:20 +0100 To: "britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk" <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>, "emma-jayne.slater@gartner.com" <emma-jayne.slater@gartner.com>, CHughes@chelt.ac.uk Subject: RE: Women's Rule MIME-version: 1.0 (Created by TFS) Content-Type: text/plain ; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: TFS Gateway V210U0822M Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id OAA12501 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Can I also add that we must not forget that not everybody has access to e-mail. Those of us that do should ensure that the word is spread amongst your team/club members, so they have the option of putting their fourpen'orth as well. Laura ---------- From: CHughes@chelt.ac.uk To: "britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk" <; "emma-jayne.slater@gartner.com; EHS/LONDON/LAURAB Subject: RE: Women's Rule Date: 25 March 1998 12:06 <<File Attachment: UUCP_ENV.TXT>> E-J wrote; > We both feel that perhaps more people could have become involved about > the subject over the Brit Disc forum for discussion, perhaps more so > than discussions about the tournament reports!! Perhaps E-J has a point; whilst this fascinating discussion on tournament reports evolved into a rather impressive display of new techniques with a flame-thrower by Ben and Rog (is that as far as you've got in 400 generations, Roger; you can't be impressed with your progress), some perhaps more serious points have been pushed aside, with very few people commenting. I think people with views need to put them on britdisc for all to see to start the debate, rather like the newsletters, instead of mailing in private. OK it means you've got to be prepared to get shouted at, but if everyone is not prepared to have a discussion, then Si will just end up basing the rules on a few peoples opinions. Lets keep the entertinment factor going, but lets also get some consideration of some serious points. (Don't complain Roger; maybe we'll get more people on Britdisc, and you can try your rapier wit out on them,- us neaderthals are too stupid to notice) Chris From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Mar 26 16:31:17 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id QAA27037 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 16:12:25 GMT Received: from amsta.leeds.ac.uk (amsta.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA27022 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 16:12:21 GMT Received: from newton.leeds.amsta (newton.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.64]) by amsta.leeds.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA29429 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 16:12:53 GMT Received: by newton.leeds.amsta (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id QAA02278; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 16:14:20 GMT Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 16:14:20 GMT From: amtsjh@amsta.leeds.ac.uk (S J Hill) Message-Id: <199803261614.QAA02278@newton.leeds.amsta> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Women's Rule - accuracy and comment X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Great to see some other views. I hope you don't mind Andy if I just correct something... and probably make a couple of other comments... > > While Sue is entering GB women as one team and Bliss > > enter another, all the others are playing co-ed, which they will continue > > to do until there are enough women's teams to make this division > > competitive. Sue isn't on email to answer this so I'm going to. GB Women haven't entered the tour this year. The squad discussed it, and (I think after a vote - altho' I could be wrong about that) came to the decision that GB Women would not play in the tour. Thus all women players are free to play for whoever they like. Sue has entered Twin Peaks, and the core of that team is pretty much the same as the core of Twin Peaks has been for a couple of years as far as I can tell, plus they have quite a few other players too I think. Indeed if the Twin Peaks team really were the GB team then they would call themselves GB - becaus the rules already allow greater roster flexibility to the GB Women and Junior teams. (NB - these are not extended to Masters - who must play like a normal club if they enter. GB Open is of course not permitted to enter.) So some women are playing for Twin Peaks, some for Bliss, and some are staying in their Open teams. As I understand it this is because those players want to play for Open teams. Those women that are playing for open teams are perfectly able to enter a women's team into the tour instead. Furthermore, since the women's team are UNROSTERED and we now have the "Guest" rule, many women could actually do a mixture anyway. For example, if Bliss are a little short of players this w/e they could get their players who might later play for a rostered team to not roster yet. So then they could play with Bliss this w/e perfectly happily. If they later decide to play with their Open team THEN they could either a) roster with that team - which would prevent them going back to Bliss later or b) play with the open team as a GUEST - which would mean they could go back to Bliss. > > Vicious circle? This problem will continue to escalate until > > the core people who want to see women's ultimate develop on its own lose > > heart and pack it in. I hope they don't. At some point, women players will decide to play in a separate division at some major tournaments. My guess is that at first this will be a difficult decision for many players who prefer mixed ultimate. But that after a short time such a division will work successfully, and some women will continue to play in the open division. Of course, once there is a SEPARATE division it will make much more sense for women to play sometimes in their women's team, and sometimes for their open team - because they won't be switching between two teams in the same competition. > > One way to allow women to play co-ed too at the same tour is to encourage > > women's teams register as "A Women's Team", whereby their players can > > essentially play for two teams, one Women's and one Open. I accept that > > this is backpedalling from the initial idea of the Tour, but which is the > > lesser of the two evils: the demise of the women's game as a whole or an > > exception made to encourage the growth of this underdeveloped area? I don't think there is any doubt that if women players (after a full 'meeting' - which they can have this w/e) feel that making this alteration would be beneficial then it will be made. > > We can't allow competitive women's ultimate to suffer purely to get > > Ultimate more serious recognition. Those of us who went to Vancouver can > > testify that the women's match was by far the best game of the finals, and > > it would be a great tragedy for us to lose the potential for women players > > in this country to compete at that level. The top Open teams always have > > international goals as well as domestic, and we often use the domestic > > season as a foothold for a summer international. If women's teams aren't > > supported more fully at the domestic level and encouraged to play for a > > women's team against other women's teams, how else can we achieve these > > goals? The point is here. "Encourage women's teams to play women's teams". You'll get no argument from me there. But this rule change is NOT about that. Its about making it possible for women players who basically prefer open ultimate to sometimes play women's - and I remain unconvinced that this will actually help women's ultimate beyond what is already allowed by the tour rules. Finally: "supported more fully at the domestic level"... In the past couple of years there have been for the first time (in a long time or ever in UK?) women's tourneys: indoors and outdoors. There were at least 2 indoor last season, and 1 this season. There was a Women's Nationals in October... altho' unfortunately it didn't happen at the same time as Open Nationals. (I say unfortunately - others I know disagree.) Who has had an outdoor tournament this year? Only WOMEN have had what you might call a normal tournament as yet this season. (Granted students in scotland have played through the winter, and many of us continue to arrange other things like Gun Savage 7, or Catch v UTI...) And really finally: Are you sure the Women's game is being harmed at all? There are more women players than ever before, over 100 have 'registered' on a women's contact list arranged by Sue told me yesterday. (So there are bound to be more than that.) The GB squad trained all winter - incl. the w/e in Feb when the Open Managers thought it might be a bit cold. I believe that several of these winter sessions were open to all women. There have been tournaments, and indeed there'll be another one in June. (A hat this time I think.) > > Food for thought, Absolutely. Si From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Mar 26 16:38:51 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id QAA26216 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 16:07:03 GMT Received: from artemis.le.ac.uk (artemis.le.ac.uk [143.210.16.126]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA26209 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 16:07:01 GMT Received: from harrier.le.ac.uk [143.210.8.56] by artemis.le.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yIFD7-0000gN-00; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 16:08:57 +0000 Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 16:06:44 +0000 (GMT) From: "B. Ravilious" <br5@leicester.ac.uk> X-Sender: br5@harrier To: phf6cr@leeds.ac.uk cc: Britdisc <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: DIRECTIONS TO TOUR 1 Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.96.980326160310.14877B-100000@harrier> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Just thought I'd post these up for those of you without web access. <Chris Richardson @Leeds : Anthony Proctor asked me to email this to you so you could distribute it amongst your team members> DIRECTIONS TO LEICESTER UNIVERSITY The routes recommended are the best-signposted ones: inward and outward routes differ where stated. FROM M1 (SOUTH) JUNCTION 21/M69 (NORTH END). Follow A563 OUTER RING LEICESTER SOUTH/EAST for four miles to lights at junction with A50 NORTHAMPTON road. Turn LEFT, signposted A50 CITY CENTRE, and follow the Welford Road for 1.4 miles to junction with University Road. In detail note following sequence along Welford Road: two sets of lights; dual-carriageway, with shops and filling stations; traffic lights, followed by playing fields on right. Then turn RIGHT at next lights into University Road. FROM M1 (NORTH) JUNCTION 22/A50 BURTON. Inward-bound: at busy times drivers are strongly advised to follow the M1 Junction 21 (see above). Otherwise, follow A50 LEICESTER signs along dual-carriageway towards city centre. Near centre A50 signs now indicate NORTHAMPTON. Follow A50 NORTHAMPTON signs through one-way system. When A50 becomes a two-way road again, follow it uphill across railway and past cemetery on left. Turn LEFT at next lights into University Road. Outward-bound: from the University campus, turn RIGHT into University Road. Turn LEFT at first lights into Regent Road. Then follow M1 (NORTH) signs. FROM A6 LOUGHBOROUGH. Entry to Leicester is signalled by short dual-carriageway, `City of Leicester' sign, and large roundabout. Take third exit into narrow 30mph road signposted City Centre A6. Keep straight on for 1 mile until road merges at lights with the A46 NEWARK road, which now becomes a dual-carriageway. NOW read next Route `From A46 Newark'. FROM A46 NEWARK. Follow CITY CENTRE signs along dual-carriageway, flanked by many shops, and over the first flyover. Then turn LEFT at the second flyover, onto Central Ring Road dual-carriageway. Keep straight on at next roundabout, then follow A6 MARKET HARBOROUGH signs through six sets of lights. Continue to follow A6 signs, past Railway Station on left and then turn right at next lights into University Road. FROM A47 PETERBOROUGH. Entry to Leicester is signalled by long descent, followed by `City of Leicester' sign, ascent, and 30 mph restriction. Now turn LEFT into Spencefield Lane. Continue for 2.9 miles along this road. In detail note sequence: shops; golf course on left; traffic lights; descent; older shops; traffic lights. Road meets London Road (A6) at next lights. Continue straight ACROSS A6 into Granville Road. Then turn LEFT at next lights into University Road. FROM A6 MARKET HARBOROUGH. Follow A6 to junction with Granville Road. In detail note sequence: dual-carriageway starts at entry to Leicester, ends at 30mph restriction; traffic lights; roundabout followed by park on left. Then filter LEFT at next lights into Granville Road. Turn LEFT again at next lights into University Road. FROM A50 NORTHAMPTON. Follow A50 to junction with University Road. In detail note sequence: start of first dual-carriageway; end of dual-carriageway; intersection with Outer Ring Road at lights; two more sets of lights; dual-carriageway again, with shops and filling stations; traffic lights, followed by playing fields on right. Then turn RIGHT at next lights into University Road. PARKING Turn off University Road into the main campus. At the top of the slope turn right, the car park is then ahead and to your left (and is free). ================================================================================ Ben Ravilious, (0116) 2559638 home br5@le.ac.uk (0116) 2525824 work ORACLE Trial Playing Ultimate for RED University of Leicester www.ultimateweb.co.uk/red/ ================================================================================ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Mar 26 17:22:32 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id RAA07090 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 17:08:32 GMT Received: from mail.rmplc.net (koala.rmplc.co.uk [194.238.48.13]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA07061 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 17:08:26 GMT Received: from acotgreave.internal.rmplc.net (hercules.rmplc.co.uk [194.238.48.90]) by mail.rmplc.net (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA23460 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 17:08:25 GMT Message-Id: <199803261708.RAA23460@mail.rmplc.net> From: "Andy Cotgreave" <acotgreave@rmplc.net> To: "Britdisc" <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: cones Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 17:09:30 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi All, Can anyone who has sets of cones which they are willing to take along to Ultim8 tournies let me know, please (I'm the U8 person in charge of this exciting task). Some of the TDs will need extra sets of cones, and these can only be gained through the cooperation of other teams. And, could you let me know if you could take your teams' cones along to Leicester this weekend. Thank you, Andy Tel: 01235 823254 acotgreave@rmplc.net From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Mar 26 18:00:58 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id RAA12996 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 17:40:37 GMT Received: from smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk (smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk [193.114.232.134]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA12974 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 17:40:33 GMT From: Wayne_Retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk Received: from ccMail by smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk (IMA Internet Exchange 2.12 Enterprise) id 00031180; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 16:18:47 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 16:17:08 +0000 Message-ID: <00031180.4069@watsonwyatt.co.uk> Subject: Tour II (Swindon) Room Bookings To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Cc: merrick.cardew@g4tech.co.uk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Accommodation options for Tour 2: a) Rooms on site (see below) b) Free Tournament Campsite (a field within easy staggering distance) c) B+Bs (details in InfoPack, or from Swindon Information Centre) d) none of the above (you sort it out!) a) IF YOU'RE EVEN *THINKING* OF BOOKING A ROOM FOR SATURDAY NIGHT AT SWINDON, The venue is insisting on the following: Cost: Room for ONE person = GBP 25.00 ONE additional person = GBP 5.00 surcharge (Maximum TWO people total per room) The rooms contain one single bed, tea+coffee making facilities, colour TV, ensuite bathroom with bath and shower, bedding, toiletries and towels provided. Bookings: MUST BE MADE IN ADVANCE OF THE EVENT Cut-off time/date = Friday 17 April 2.00pm phone 01793-791000 ideally speak to Debbie Lea or Helen Baker You will be required to supply the names of the people staying in the room, at the time of booking. SECURITY will be entitled to enter your rooms to check the numbers of occupants! Rooms will be accessible from 2.00pm on Saturday. Kicking out time is 9.00am Sunday morning. b) It's a field (with NO trimmings!), it's available Friday and Saturday nights. BRING A TENT!!! c) For details of local accommodation (hotels/guesthouses/B+Bs) contact the Swindon Information Centre on 01793-530328 or 466454 (best idea!) or check the InfoPack that your team contact will be sent. d) If you have somewhere you can stay, great! Wayne Retter Tour II TD tour2@phidelta.demon.co.uk http://www.phidelta.demon.co.uk/u8-98/tour2/ (to be updated!) ________________________________________________________________ Notice of Confidentiality This transmission is intended for the named addressee only. It contains information which may be confidential and which may also be privileged. Unless you are the named addressee (or authorised to receive it for the addressee) you may not copy or use it, or disclose it to anyone else. If you have received this transmission in error please contact: ~admin@watsonwyatt.co.uk or IT Manager: +44(0)1737 241144 Fax: +44(0)1737 241496 Watson Wyatt Partners is regulated by the Institute of Actuaries in the conduct of UK investment business. _________________________________________________________________ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Mar 26 18:16:54 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id SAA16682 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 18:04:03 GMT Received: from ntintel2.webleicester.co.uk (ns1.webleicester.co.uk [195.146.160.2]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA16627 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 18:03:43 GMT Received: from dhcp-05.webleicester.co.uk (dhcp-05.webleicester.co.uk [195.146.160.145]) by ntintel2.webleicester.co.uk (NTMail 3.03.0017/1.am2n) with ESMTP id ga259616 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 18:03:32 +0000 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 18:00:10 -0000 Message-ID: <01BD58E1.04ED2C20.scott@webleicester.co.uk> From: Ian Scotland <scott@webleicester.co.uk> Reply-To: "scott@webleicester.co.uk" <scott@webleicester.co.uk> To: "britdisc (E-mail)" <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Tour I - Tables Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 18:00:09 -0000 Organization: WEBLEICESTER X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk In case you are interested (I know I would be) here are the pools for Saturday - Tour I The top 16 teams have been seeded and have been placed conventionally according to their seeding, the remaining 16 have been split into two levels of 8 and randomly pulled out of a hat for the 3rd & 4th slots (world cup style). Don't mail me complaining about seeding or the other teams in your pool, just beat them. Captains meeting is at 9.30 - you know that! Don't be late.... remember its a point a minute!! Pool A Shotgun 16 Sneeeky's 17 Whiplash 31 Phat Eds Pool B 2 Catch 22 15 Strange Blue 18 Superfly 32 Charnwood Pool C 3 UTI 14 MM Janitors 19 PITS 29 K-Niggets Pool D 4 Druids 13 Sharks 20 GB Juniors 30 Red II Pool E 5 Chevron AF 12 Blue Arse Fl 21 Jedi 27 Bliss Pool F 6 V. Happy 11 Village 22 Fingers 6 28 Mad Kows Pool G 7 Red I 10 Headrush 23 Moh Mwnci 25 Chaos Pool H 8 First Touch 9 Red Shift 24 Skunks 26 Twin Peaks Scott PS Don't ask me when you are playing, cos I won't tell you. Needless to say with 12 pitches there will be 24 teams playing the first game, so there's a 66% chance it will be you! ----------------------------------------------------------- Ian Scotland At work scott@webleicester.co.uk OR scott@ultimateweb.co.uk On the Web http://www.webleicester.co.uk/ http://www.ultimateweb.co.uk/ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Mar 26 18:18:06 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id SAA16643 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 18:03:47 GMT Received: from ntintel2.webleicester.co.uk (ns1.webleicester.co.uk [195.146.160.2]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA16628 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 18:03:43 GMT Received: from dhcp-05.webleicester.co.uk (dhcp-05.webleicester.co.uk [195.146.160.145]) by ntintel2.webleicester.co.uk (NTMail 3.03.0017/1.am2n) with ESMTP id fa259615 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 18:03:32 +0000 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 18:02:13 -0000 Message-ID: <01BD58E1.4DD51CE0.scott@webleicester.co.uk> From: Ian Scotland <scott@webleicester.co.uk> Reply-To: "scott@webleicester.co.uk" <scott@webleicester.co.uk> To: "'britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk'" <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Tour I - Tables Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 18:02:10 -0000 Organization: WEBLEICESTER X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk In case you are interested (I know I would be) here are the pools for Saturday - Tour I The top 16 teams have been seeded and have been placed conventionally according to their seeding, the remaining 16 have been split into two levels of 8 and randomly pulled out of a hat for the 3rd & 4th slots (world cup style). Don't mail me complaining about seeding or the other teams in your pool, just beat them. Captains meeting is at 9.30 - you know that! Don't be late.... remember its a point a minute!! Pool A Shotgun 16 Sneeeky's 17 Whiplash 31 Phat Eds Pool B 2 Catch 22 15 Strange Blue 18 Superfly 32 Charnwood Pool C 3 UTI 14 MM Janitors 19 PITS 29 K-Niggets Pool D 4 Druids 13 Sharks 20 GB Juniors 30 Red II Pool E 5 Chevron AF 12 Blue Arse Fl 21 Jedi 27 Bliss Pool F 6 V. Happy 11 Village 22 Fingers 6 28 Mad Kows Pool G 7 Red I 10 Headrush 23 Moh Mwnci 25 Chaos Pool H 8 First Touch 9 Red Shift 24 Skunks 26 Twin Peaks Scott PS Don't ask me when you are playing, cos I won't tell you. Needless to say with 12 pitches there will be 24 teams playing the first game, so there's a 66% chance it will be you! ----------------------------------------------------------- Ian Scotland At work scott@webleicester.co.uk OR scott@ultimateweb.co.uk On the Web http://www.webleicester.co.uk/ http://www.ultimateweb.co.uk/ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Mar 26 23:02:06 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id WAA18262 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 22:50:00 GMT Received: from monsoon.dial.pipex.net (monsoon.dial.pipex.net [158.43.128.69]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA18255 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 22:49:59 GMT Message-Id: <199803262249.WAA18255@pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Received: (qmail 23374 invoked from network); 26 Mar 1998 22:49:57 -0000 Received: from usera421.uk.uudial.com (HELO default) (193.149.67.167) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 26 Mar 1998 22:49:57 -0000 Reply-To: <Matthew.Lowe@dial.pipex.com> From: "Matthew Lowe" <Matthew.Lowe@dial.pipex.com> To: <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Fate messages Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 21:08:16 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Can people please keep fate messages / chain E-Mails off BD, they are for children, and I don't want to recieve any more. ME ---------- > From: Ranulf Doswell <ralf@dcs.warwick.ac.uk> > To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk > Subject: BFDF Events Reminder > Date: 16 March 1998 07:47 > > British Flying Disc Federation Disc Events Diary > ------------------------------------------------ > > The events list can also be found at http://www.dcs.warwick.ac.uk/~ralf/bfdf/ > > ---------- > > Saturday 21st March 1998 > > Squaws (1 day) > @ University of Sussex Sports Centre > [Women's Indoor Ultimate] > Cost: GBP40 per team > > Contact Kate Sygrove > Address 110 Hythe Road > Brighton > East Sussex > Email hcui1@central.susx.ac.uk > Phone 01273 500234 > > Saturday 28th March 1998 > > Tour I (2 days) > @ Leicester > [Outdoor Ultimate] > > TD Ben Ravilious > Email br5@leicester.ac.uk > > Saturday 4th April 1998 > > BDGA Golf (2 days) > @ Ashton Court, Bristol > [Golf] > > Dublin (2 days) > [Ultimate] > > Contact Gareth McFeely > Email garreth.mcfeely@iveagh.irlgov.ie > > Sunday 5th April 1998 > > GB Training (Open, Women and Masters) (1 day) > [Outdoor Ultimate] > > Saturday 18th April 1998 > > Tour II (2 days) > @ Swindon > [Outdoor Ultimate] > Cost: GBP 80.00 per team (plus tax/deposit sent seperately to BUF) > URL: http://www.phidelta.demon.co.uk/u8-98/tour2/ > Cheque payable to LAYOUT DREAMS, mailed to 17 Burnham Drive, Reigate, Surrey RH2 9HD > > TD Layout Dreams > Email tour2@phidelta.demon.co.uk > URL http://www.phidelta.demon.co.uk/ > > Saturday 25th April 1998 > > Warwick Indoors (2 days) > [Indoor Ultimate] > > Contact Jim Ayrton > Email stuly@csv.warwick.ac.uk > URL http://www.csv.warwick.ac.uk/~suaaz/ > > Saturday 2nd May 1998 > > GB Training (Open and Women) (2 days) > [Outdoor Ultimate] > > BDGA Golf (2 days) > @ Scottish Open, Isle of Mull > [Golf] > > Student Outdoors (2 days) > @ Leicester > [Students' Outdoor Ultimate] > > Contact Simon Weeks > Email gga95sew@sheffield.ac.uk > Phone 0114 222 9999 ext 52252 > > Saturday 9th May 1998 > > Tour III (2 days) > @ Birmingham > [Outdoor Ultimate] > > TD Charlie Mead > Email charles.mead@easynet.co.uk > > Thursday 21st May 1998 > > Rotterdam (4 days) > [Outdoor Ultimate Abroad] > > Saturday 30th May 1998 > > BDGA Golf (2 days) TBC > @ Hayling Island, Southampton > [Golf] > > WizOpen '98 (3 days) > @ Geneva > [Outdoor Ultimate Abroad] > URL: http://www.wizards.ch/WizOpen.htm > > Contact Yves Maumary > Email speedy@wizards.ch > > Saturday 6th June 1998 > > Fiesta (2 days) TBC > [Outdoor Ultimate] > > Saturday 13th June 1998 > > GB Training (Open and Women) (2 days) > [Outdoor Ultimate] > > BDGA Golf (2 days) > @ Quarry Park, Warwickshire > [Golf] > > Saturday 20th June 1998 > > Tour IV (2 days) > @ Southampton > [Outdoor Ultimate] > > TD Tim Woolford > Email tww93si@soton.ac.uk > > Saturday 4th July 1998 > > GB Training (Open and Women) (2 days) > [Outdoor Ultimate] > > Saturday 11th July 1998 > > Tour V (2 days) > @ Double Locks, Exeter > [Outdoor Ultimate] > > TD Kevin Lowe > Email kevinl@curved-logic.com > > Date reserved (2 days) > > Saturday 18th July 1998 > > Date reserved (2 days) > > BDGA Golf (2 days) > @ Whitcombe, Dorset > [Golf] > > Saturday 25th July 1998 > > GB Training (Open and Women) (2 days) > [Outdoor Ultimate] > > Saturday 8th August 1998 > > GB Training (Open and Women) (2 days) > [Outdoor Ultimate] > > Friday 14th August 1998 > > Worlds (10 days) > [Outdoor Ultimate Abroad] > > Saturday 15th August 1998 > > BDGA Golf (2 days) > @ Essex University > [Golf] > > Saturday 29th August 1998 > > BDGA Golf (2 days) TBC > @ Perth or Edinburgh > [Golf] > > Friday 11th September 1998 > > BUF Open (3 days) > [Outdoor Ultimate] > > Saturday 19th September 1998 > > BDGA Golf (2 days) > @ Burnlaw, Horthumberland > [Golf] > > Saturday 26th September 1998 > > Nationals 98 (2 days) > [Outdoor Ultimate] > > Saturday 24th October 1998 > > BDGA Golf (2 days) > @ Whitcombe, Dorset > [Golf Handicap] > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > British Flying Disc Federation Disc Events Diary > http://www.dcs.warwick.ac.uk/~ralf/bfdf/ > Ranulf Doswell, ralf@dcs.warwick.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Mar 26 23:22:00 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id XAA20249 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 23:10:09 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-10.mail.demon.net [193.195.0.154]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA20234 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 23:10:06 GMT Received: from phidelta.demon.co.uk ([158.152.248.177]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa1022988; 26 Mar 98 23:09 GMT Message-ID: <vW+C5RA$0tG1EwJB@phidelta.demon.co.uk> Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 22:57:03 +0000 To: BritDisc <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> From: Tour II TD <tour2@phidelta.demon.co.uk> Subject: FAO: Picnic in the Sky: S.Bassam MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Trial Version 3.04 <pjZRgFWDsQK5ViyP$l4rxVrb6a> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk All sorry for using BritDisc as a personal mailing system, but I'm fed up of this bouncing with no decent explaination! Wayne ------- Forwarded message follows ------- This message was returned to you for the following reasons: VIMSendMessage failed: 1/65535 VIM error message: General Failure. VIM extended message:General failure. ------- The original message follows ------- Susi Fine, but the success of your entry will be subject to Dora Kemp receiving the BUF Tax/deposit, ok? Wayne Susan Bassam <S.Bassam@plymouth.ac.uk> writes >Hi Wayne, > >Picnic In The Sky want to enter a team for Tour 2, unfortunally we can >not get the cheques from our student union untill tomorrow, we can >post them then so that they arrive on Saturday, I hope this will be >okay. > >Cheers, >Susi. >Picnic In The Sky -- Tour II TD tour2@phidelta.demon.co.uk http://www.phidelta.demon.co.uk/u8-98/tour2/ Layout Dreams From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Mar 27 00:02:21 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id XAA24109 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 23:50:20 GMT Received: from mail.compulink.co.uk (mail.compulink.co.uk [194.153.0.20]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA24103 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 23:50:17 GMT Received: (from root@localhost) by mail.compulink.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.6) id XAA01107 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 23:49:46 GMT X-Envelope-From: lholden@cix.compulink.co.uk Date: Thu, 26 Mar 98 23:49 GMT0 From: lholden@cix.compulink.co.uk (Louise Holden) Subject: Player looking for a team. To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Cc: lholden@cix.compulink.co.uk Reply-To: lholden@cix.compulink.co.uk Message-Id: <memo.661073@cix.compulink.co.uk> X-Mail-Software: Ameol2 X-URL: http //www.ameol.com Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Is there an *unrostered* team out there looking for an additional player for Leicester this weekend. I'm down to play for a new team from Birmingham but their deposit cheque went walkies and they missed the deadline:-) They won't mind if I tart this weekend but I want to be able to pay with them in the future as they are short of experienced players. Paul Holden lholden@cix.co.uk or phone anytime on 01785 618146 From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Mar 27 11:14:42 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id KAA13394 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 10:57:21 GMT Received: from caged.st-andrews.ac.uk (root@caged.st-and.ac.uk [138.251.34.40]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA13385 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 10:57:16 GMT Received: from purds.st-andrews.ac.uk (jpg2@purds [138.251.34.20]) by caged.st-andrews.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA00854; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 10:57:01 GMT Received: from localhost (jpg2@localhost) by purds.st-andrews.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA06291; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 10:56:50 GMT Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 10:56:50 +0000 (GMT) From: Big Funky <jpg2@st-andrews.ac.uk> X-Sender: jpg2@st-andrews.ac.uk To: Matthew Lowe <Matthew.Lowe@dial.pipex.com> cc: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Re: Fate messages In-Reply-To: <199803262249.WAA18255@pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.96.980327105633.5931A-100000@purds> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Well said that man!!!!! Jon Good aka 'Big Funky' of 'Funkian' and 'More than just a Hint' aka 'Frank LeBoeuf' of 'Blue Arse Flies' D.O.P.A. S.A.U. (underground) Wine Soc. V.P. S.A.U.U.F.C. - Flying Sorcerers M.S.R. Hamilton Hall World of Crack! "......I'm coming at you like a randy chinchilla!" From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Mar 27 12:18:12 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id MAA23247 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 12:08:07 GMT Received: from pp.dundee.ac.uk (pp.dundee.ac.uk [134.36.2.60]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA23204 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 12:08:01 GMT Received: from dux.dundee.ac.uk by pp.dundee.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Fri, 27 Mar 1998 12:11:17 +0000 Received: from 134.36.142.53 by dux.dundee.ac.uk (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4-S2000) id MAA26777; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 12:07:51 GMT Message-ID: <351B96C7.7B62@dundee.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 12:08:39 +0000 From: Jester <j.m.wilson@dundee.ac.uk> Reply-To: j.m.wilson@dundee.ac.uk Organization: Duncan of Jordanstone X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-AICK1-2 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Spice16402@aol.com CC: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Re: Fate References: <39be498e.351ad016@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Spice16402@aol.com wrote: >Mr & Mrs Bulger ignored this letter . . . Keep this sick shit out of my mail box and off of our mailing list. Show me one person who finds this reference to the tragic death of child in the slightest bit funny and I'll show you someone who doesn't deserve to live. Jamie Wilson aka Jester From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Mar 27 12:19:09 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id LAA21653 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 11:56:52 GMT Received: from amsta.leeds.ac.uk (amsta.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA21645 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 11:56:46 GMT Received: from newton.leeds.amsta (newton.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.64]) by amsta.leeds.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA17071 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 11:57:36 GMT Received: by newton.leeds.amsta (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA15379; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 11:59:06 GMT Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 11:59:06 GMT From: amtsjh@amsta.leeds.ac.uk (S J Hill) Message-Id: <199803271159.LAA15379@newton.leeds.amsta> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: rosters - NB Shotgun, UTI, Red Shift, Village P, Superfly X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk sorry to write again, but.... We have just been checking on who has sent a roster. Thanks very much to all those teams (including those that aren't even playing at Leicester) who have dealt with the incredibly tricky job of writing down about 15 names. The following teams say they are rostered - but we have no record of their roster (of course we could be wrong - I'm sure you'll let us know)... Shotgun Village People Red Shift The following teams failed to answer the question about whether or not they intend to play as rostered or unrostered. Superfly UTI (Superfly may have a good excuse because there was a mix-up with their contact address.) I was wondering if UTI aren't too worried about qualifying for Outdoor Nationals as they've now achieved their life-ambition of winning Indoor Nationals. Sort it out folks - its not like I've got a job or anything. Si From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Mar 27 15:17:46 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id OAA16229 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 14:53:35 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-30.mail.demon.net [194.159.80.130]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA16220 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 14:53:30 GMT Received: from ([158.152.203.174]) [158.152.203.174] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yIYK5-000784-00; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 12:33:28 +0000 Subject: Need results of Scottish Indoors Date: Fri, 27 Mar 98 12:40:19 +0000 x-sender: ultimatum@pop3.demon.co.uk x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: Paul Hurt <paul@ultimatum.demon.co.uk> To: "BritDisc" <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Message-Id: <E0yIYK5-000784-00@post.mail.demon.net> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi all Danger - spleen vent warning... ------------------------------------ Did I miss something? Did anyone ever post the results of the Scottish Regional Indoors? If anyone has them, can they send them to me (or else it gets a "results not available" in Ultimatum, which'd be ridiculous). By they way, despite two requests, I haven't had any realistic offers of assistance with compiling Ultimatum's results and reports section. There seem to be plenty of people willing to complain about the lack of results/reports, but not many willing to help (doesn't apply to Wayne, Helen, Possum, Ian, Laura, Charlie - but this is something a bit different). Reminds me what Ben said t'other day... >I would say this to the next person who has a "good idea" for the sport: >YOU bring it to life. See what little enthusiasm you get the moment the >pipe dreaming stops and the work begins. So true. Come on someone - "BE ARSED!" Paul P.S. Guess what - Ultimatum 36 won't now be ready for the weekend. Sorry. (Now, if I didn't have to do almost everything myself...) I shall go and sit somewhere quiet for a bit now... --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Hurt Editor, Ultimatum Magazine, London, England editor@ultimatum.demon.co.uk Visit Ultimatum Online... http://www.ultimatum.demon.co.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Mar 27 16:42:00 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id QAA28420 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 16:15:33 GMT Received: from beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk (beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.129.138]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA28380 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 16:15:26 GMT From: tww93si@soton.ac.uk Received: from hazel.sucs.soton.ac.uk (hazel.sucs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.173.100]) by beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.8/relay-02) with SMTP id QAA10471 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 16:15:25 GMT Received: from b44a-54.sucs.soton.ac.uk (b44a-54.sucs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.173.54]) by hazel.sucs.soton.ac.uk (SMI-8.6/client-8.8) with ESMTP id QAA16671 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 16:15:24 GMT Received: (from tww93si@localhost) by b44a-54.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.5/client-8.8) id QAA03848 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 16:15:23 GMT Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 16:15:23 GMT Message-Id: <199803271615.QAA03848@b44a-54.sucs.soton.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Pickup players at Leicester Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-MD5: 2UWU8lK+hOiQvd9ItTdgAA== Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hello, Due to circumstances beyond my control, Skunks are down three subs on the team that I though we had, and are reduced to iron man ultimate (kinda fun indoors, but pretty dumb for real ultimate). So, anyone looking to expand an unrostered team, please find us tomorrow morning, or give me a ring tonight on 01703 672581. Cheers, Tim, Skunks Club Secretary. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sun Mar 29 19:24:44 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id TAA10465 for britdisc-outgoing; Sun, 29 Mar 1998 19:11:48 +0100 (BST) Received: from monsoon.dial.pipex.net (monsoon.dial.pipex.net [158.43.128.69]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA10460 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Sun, 29 Mar 1998 19:11:44 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199803291811.TAA10460@pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Received: (qmail 13910 invoked from network); 29 Mar 1998 18:11:43 -0000 Received: from usern205.uk.uudial.com (HELO default) (193.149.81.238) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 1998 18:11:43 -0000 Reply-To: <Matthew.Lowe@dial.pipex.com> From: "Matthew Lowe" <Matthew.Lowe@dial.pipex.com> To: <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: TOUR 1 Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 17:29:38 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Let me be one of the first to thanks RED for hosting Tour 1. A great time was had by all, including ourselves (Sunz) despite coming last and not winning a game. I feel the tournament was well organised and found the whole atmosphere to be friendly and spirited. Thanks to Ben Ravilious for organising the whole thing. I really enjoyed the final. UTI played some great stuff, both on offence and defence. Thanks to Catch 22 for not wasting us in the Group stage and I hope you remember that pile-up. Cheers to the Aberdeen lot who joined us there and we hope we can do it again some time. Hope everyone who was there had as good a time as we did. Matt. (Sunz) Matthew.Lowe@Dial.Pipex.com From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Mar 30 08:03:05 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id HAA20346 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 07:47:03 +0100 (BST) Received: from gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (ralf@gem [137.205.227.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA20341 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 07:47:02 +0100 (BST) Received: (from ralf@localhost) by gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA15544 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 07:47:01 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 07:47:01 +0100 (BST) From: Ranulf Doswell <ralf@dcs.warwick.ac.uk> Message-Id: <199803300647.HAA15544@gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: BFDF Events Reminder Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk British Flying Disc Federation Disc Events Diary ------------------------------------------------ The events list can also be found at http://www.dcs.warwick.ac.uk/~ralf/bfdf/ ---------- Saturday 4th April 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Ashton Court, Bristol [Golf] Dublin (2 days) [Ultimate] Contact Gareth McFeely Email garreth.mcfeely@iveagh.irlgov.ie Sunday 5th April 1998 GB Training (Open, Women and Masters) (1 day) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 18th April 1998 Tour II (2 days) @ Swindon [Outdoor Ultimate] Cost: GBP 80.00 per team (plus tax/deposit sent seperately to BUF) URL: http://www.phidelta.demon.co.uk/u8-98/tour2/ Cheque payable to LAYOUT DREAMS, mailed to 17 Burnham Drive, Reigate, Surrey RH2 9HD TD Layout Dreams Email tour2@phidelta.demon.co.uk URL http://www.phidelta.demon.co.uk/ Saturday 25th April 1998 Warwick Indoors (2 days) [Indoor Ultimate] Contact Jim Ayrton Email stuly@csv.warwick.ac.uk URL http://www.csv.warwick.ac.uk/~suaaz/ Saturday 2nd May 1998 GB Training (Open and Women) (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Scottish Open, Isle of Mull [Golf] Student Outdoors (2 days) @ Leicester [Students' Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Simon Weeks Email gga95sew@sheffield.ac.uk Phone 0114 222 9999 ext 52252 Saturday 9th May 1998 Tour III (2 days) @ Birmingham [Outdoor Ultimate] TD Charlie Mead Email charles.mead@easynet.co.uk Thursday 21st May 1998 Rotterdam (4 days) [Outdoor Ultimate Abroad] Saturday 23rd May 1998 Mad Kows KowPat '98 (2 days) @ Open University, Kilton Keynes [Outdoor Ultimate] URL: http://www.mk.dmu.ac.uk/~mstacey/Ultimate/kowpat.htm Space for 16 teams, camping available. Contact Laurie Ritchie Email l.j.ritchie@cranfield.ac.uk URL http://www-cs.open.ac.uk/~martin/pages/Mad_Kows.html Saturday 30th May 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) TBC @ Hayling Island, Southampton [Golf] WizOpen '98 (3 days) @ Geneva [Outdoor Ultimate Abroad] URL: http://www.wizards.ch/WizOpen.htm Contact Yves Maumary Email speedy@wizards.ch Saturday 6th June 1998 Fiesta (2 days) TBC [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 13th June 1998 GB Training (Open and Women) (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Quarry Park, Warwickshire [Golf] Saturday 20th June 1998 Tour IV (2 days) @ Southampton [Outdoor Ultimate] TD Tim Woolford Email tww93si@soton.ac.uk Saturday 4th July 1998 GB Training (Open and Women) (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 11th July 1998 Tour V (2 days) @ Double Locks, Exeter [Outdoor Ultimate] TD Kevin Lowe Email kevinl@curved-logic.com Date reserved (2 days) Saturday 18th July 1998 Date reserved (2 days) BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Whitcombe, Dorset [Golf] Saturday 25th July 1998 GB Training (Open and Women) (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 8th August 1998 GB Training (Open and Women) (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Friday 14th August 1998 Worlds (10 days) [Outdoor Ultimate Abroad] Saturday 15th August 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Essex University [Golf] Saturday 29th August 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) TBC @ Perth or Edinburgh [Golf] Friday 11th September 1998 BUF Open (3 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 19th September 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Burnlaw, Horthumberland [Golf] Saturday 26th September 1998 Nationals 98 (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 24th October 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Whitcombe, Dorset [Golf Handicap] ---------------------------------------------------------- British Flying Disc Federation Disc Events Diary http://www.dcs.warwick.ac.uk/~ralf/bfdf/ Ranulf Doswell, ralf@dcs.warwick.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Mar 30 10:39:17 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id KAA05194 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 10:25:31 +0100 (BST) Received: from admin.warwick.ac.uk (sigma [137.205.249.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA04214; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 10:18:36 +0100 (BST) Received: from SIGMA/MERCURY by admin.warwick.ac.uk (Mercury 1.21); 30 Mar 98 10:20:29 +0000 Received: from MERCURY by SIGMA (Mercury 1.21); 30 Mar 98 10:18:15 +0000 From: "Derek Robins" <D.J.Robins@admin.warwick.ac.uk> Organization: University of Warwick, CV4 7AL, UK To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 10:18:08 +0000 (GMT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Bristol Disc Golf CC: Disc.Golf.Distribution@csv.warwick.ac.uk Message-ID: <60999C1FBB@admin.warwick.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk BDGA Tour 2 - BRISTOL OPEN April 4-5th You are invited to play disc golf at the Bristol Open on the Ashton Court Estate next weekend. The cost is 10 pounds for BDGA pre-registered Add 2 pounds for non-BDGA Less 2 pounds for unwaged. Add 2 pounds for late registration For further details contact Bud Tilton on 0117 926 8055 Cheques should be payable to N.W. Pickett and sent to Neal Pickett 10 Christina Terrace, Merchants Road, Hotwells, Bristol, BS8 4QB Rob Cole is the contact for accommodation and direstions 0117 9237410 The players meeting is scheduled for 8.30 a.m. on Saturday - no doubt Bud will be petitioned for a later start, but will he listen? Lastly don't contact me about this tournie, I have nothing to do with the organisation, it's just that Bud is not on e-mail and asked me to post this. Del From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Mar 30 10:48:14 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id KAA07791 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 10:42:11 +0100 (BST) Received: from shrimp.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (ralf@shrimp [137.205.227.130]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA07783 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 10:42:08 +0100 (BST) Received: (from ralf@localhost) by shrimp.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA04036; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 10:42:02 +0100 (BST) From: Ralf <ralf@dcs.warwick.ac.uk> Message-Id: <199803300942.KAA04036@shrimp.dcs.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Re: BFDF Events Reminder In-Reply-To: <Pine.SGI.3.96.980330093341.19089A-100000@harrier> from "B. Ravilious" at "Mar 30, 98 09:35:44 am" To: br5@leicester.ac.uk (B. Ravilious) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 10:42:02 +0100 (BST) Cc: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL35 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi Ben, (cc'ed to BD) To be honest, I'm a little ****ed off about all this kind of e-mail (I thought the last one was pretty sick, but this one is just out of order). It appears that whoever is responsible for this has found out that we run a list-server at Warwick, and managed to get the subscribers to practically every majordomo mailing list run at Warwick, and has been sending this junk to everyone from those lists. I've mailed our postmaster to complain; apparently he already knew about this, as it's affected an awful lot of people within the Uni (for instance, I received this 3 times as I'm subscribed to quite a few lists here), and he told me he'd already complained at AOL. However, as this doesn't appear to have stopped, I'm going to complain again myself. (I suggest if you to complain, you mail abuse@aol.com as well as postmaster@aol.com). From the mail from our postmaster: | A complaint has already been sent to America On-line's postmaster, | asking for appropriate steps to be taken against the user (since this | kind of mailing is a breach of the "Terms of Service" agreement which | they operate, this will normally result in the account being closed). | In addition to this, none of the Computing Services mail relays will | now accept mail which is sent from this specific address. Unfortunately, due to the way they've get hold of the addresses, they have everybody's real addresses rather than just the britdisc address, so there's not an easy solution to stopping the mail from getting through, as it goes straight to the recipient, and not through britdisc. I suggest you ask the postmaster at your site to block all mails originating from Spice16402@aol.com. Most unix-based sites run sendmail which can be configured fairly easily to refuse mail from certain addresses. Sorry about all this, Ralf. ____ ____ _ _ ____ .----------------------------------------. _\__ \ _\__ \ / \ / \\__/ | Ranulf Doswell | / \_/ /_ / \_/ \ / / / /___ | Department of Computer Science | \ __ \\ __ \\ \ _\ \\_/ |University of Warwick, COVENTRY, CV4 7AL| \ \ \ \\ \ \ \\ \__/ \\ \ | Phone: 01203 523296 Fax: 01203 525714 | \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \______/ \_/ `----------------------------------------' From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Mar 30 12:50:17 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id MAA25510 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 12:37:21 +0100 (BST) Received: from exchpk01.chelt.ac.uk (exchpk01.chelt.ac.uk [194.66.194.228]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA25496 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 12:37:18 +0100 (BST) Received: by exchpk01.chelt.ac.uk with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD5BD8.8FC57D30@exchpk01.chelt.ac.uk>; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 12:37:11 +0100 Message-ID: <c=GB%a=_%p=CHELT%l=EXCHPK01-980330113710Z-5415@exchpk01.chelt.ac.uk> From: "HUGHES, Chris" <CHughes@chelt.ac.uk> To: "'Britdisc'" <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: FW: all users message Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 12:37:10 +0100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id MAA25497 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk If this interests anyone out there let me know and I can get you tickets before the fighting starts. Chris -----Original Message----- From: MALLER, Pete Sent: 30 March 1998 11:19 To: Everyone Subject: FW: all users message From: TARREN, Chris Sent: Monday, March 30, 1998 9:50:00 AM To: Park LC Reception Subject: all users message Auto forwarded by a Rule THE BIGGEST CONCERT IN CHELTENHAM ..............EVER! The SU has been granted the go-ahead, by Cheltenham Borough Council to stage the first ever open air concert in Cheltenham to a capacity of 14,000. The event is to be held at Cheltenham Racecourse on Sat 6th June 98, and will headline SPACE plus Special guest (to be announced shortly) Tickets are priced at £17.50 and are currently available before the general public can get them, by phoning 0115 9129000 (this is a credit card booking line). From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Mar 30 12:52:11 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id MAA26838 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 12:47:52 +0100 (BST) Received: from venus.le.ac.uk (pp@venus.le.ac.uk [143.210.16.123]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA26821 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 12:47:45 +0100 (BST) Received: from harrier.le.ac.uk by venus.le.ac.uk with SMTP (local); Mon, 30 Mar 1998 12:46:24 +0100 Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 12:46:22 +0100 (BST) From: "B. Ravilious" <br5@leicester.ac.uk> X-Sender: br5@harrier To: "HUGHES, Chris" <CHughes@chelt.ac.uk> cc: "'Ralf'" <ralf@dcs.warwick.ac.uk>, "'britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk'" <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Mail Bomb In-Reply-To: <c=GB%a=_%p=CHELT%l=EXCHPK01-980330113450Z-5414@exchpk01.chelt.ac.uk> Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.96.980330124315.25263A-100000@harrier> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk In all probability the mail did not originate from AOL. Most spammers put an bogus reply-to address dont they? Hey but when we find him -LETS BOMB! Roger, your services are now required! Ben PS I'll post the tournament results etc after work this evening. ================================================================================ Ben Ravilious, (0116) 2559638 home br5@le.ac.uk (0116) 2525824 work ORACLE Trial Playing Ultimate for RED University of Leicester www.ultimateweb.co.uk/red/ ================================================================================ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Mar 30 12:53:59 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id MAA25249 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 12:35:02 +0100 (BST) Received: from exchpk01.chelt.ac.uk (exchpk01.chelt.ac.uk [194.66.194.228]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA25233 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 12:34:59 +0100 (BST) Received: by exchpk01.chelt.ac.uk with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD5BD8.3CCA0CE0@exchpk01.chelt.ac.uk>; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 12:34:52 +0100 Message-ID: <c=GB%a=_%p=CHELT%l=EXCHPK01-980330113450Z-5414@exchpk01.chelt.ac.uk> From: "HUGHES, Chris" <CHughes@chelt.ac.uk> To: "'Ralf'" <ralf@dcs.warwick.ac.uk>, "'br5@leicester.ac.uk'" <br5@leicester.ac.uk> Cc: "'britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk'" <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Mail Bomb Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 12:34:50 +0100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk I agree, Wayne Retter had an interesting suggestion; if he is using AOL, then he probably has to down load all his mail via BT. If everyone who received his mail returned it to he five or six times with unwanted message, or similar in the title, his system is going to get a bit hung up. Don't go off and do this yet, lets get a response from britdisc and see if we're all prepared for to do this rather than an ineffectual few. Chris -----Original Message----- From: Ralf [SMTP:ralf@dcs.warwick.ac.uk] Sent: 30 March 1998 10:42 To: br5@leicester.ac.uk Cc: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Re: BFDF Events Reminder Hi Ben, (cc'ed to BD) To be honest, I'm a little ****ed off about all this kind of e-mail (I thought the last one was pretty sick, but this one is just out of order). It appears that whoever is responsible for this has found out that we run a list-server at Warwick, and managed to get the subscribers to practically every majordomo mailing list run at Warwick, and has been sending this junk to everyone from those lists. I've mailed our postmaster to complain; apparently he already knew about this, as it's affected an awful lot of people within the Uni (for instance, I received this 3 times as I'm subscribed to quite a few lists here), and he told me he'd already complained at AOL. However, as this doesn't appear to have stopped, I'm going to complain again myself. (I suggest if you to complain, you mail abuse@aol.com as well as postmaster@aol.com). From the mail from our postmaster: | A complaint has already been sent to America On-line's postmaster, | asking for appropriate steps to be taken against the user (since this | kind of mailing is a breach of the "Terms of Service" agreement which | they operate, this will normally result in the account being closed). | In addition to this, none of the Computing Services mail relays will | now accept mail which is sent from this specific address. Unfortunately, due to the way they've get hold of the addresses, they have everybody's real addresses rather than just the britdisc address, so there's not an easy solution to stopping the mail from getting through, as it goes straight to the recipient, and not through britdisc. I suggest you ask the postmaster at your site to block all mails originating from Spice16402@aol.com. Most unix-based sites run sendmail which can be configured fairly easily to refuse mail from certain addresses. Sorry about all this, Ralf. ____ ____ _ _ ____ .----------------------------------------. _\__ \ _\__ \ / \ / \\__/ | Ranulf Doswell | / \_/ /_ / \_/ \ / / / /___ | Department of Computer Science | \ __ \\ __ \\ \ _\ \\_/ |University of Warwick, COVENTRY, CV4 7AL| \ \ \ \\ \ \ \\ \__/ \\ \ | Phone: 01203 523296 Fax: 01203 525714 | \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \______/ \_/ `----------------------------------------' From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Mar 30 12:55:04 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id MAA26894 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 12:48:20 +0100 (BST) Received: from smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk (smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk [193.114.232.134]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA26878 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 12:48:16 +0100 (BST) From: Wayne_Retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk Received: from ccMail by smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk (IMA Internet Exchange 2.12 Enterprise) id 00031C29; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 12:47:27 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 12:45:31 +0000 Message-ID: <00031C29.4069@watsonwyatt.co.uk> Subject: Tour II Entrants - Have you paid Yet? To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk This message is especially for: Violently Happy Uriel who have paid the BUF deposit, but I've not yet heard more from... Please contact me to confirm: a) that you definately want to come b) how and when you intend to pay the entrance fee c) contact details for sending information to with a quick query to: Mohawks Mwnci See Charnwood Sunz Since the BUF have received no Deposit (as yet) and I've not heard from you, I'm assuming that you are not planning to enter the Swindon event. If this IS NOT true (ie, you'd like to enter), you need to please contact me promptly. Wayne Retter Tour II TD 01737-273611 (w) wayne_retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk 01737-242109 (h) tour2@phidelta.demon.co.uk ________________________________________________________________ Notice of Confidentiality This transmission is intended for the named addressee only. It contains information which may be confidential and which may also be privileged. Unless you are the named addressee (or authorised to receive it for the addressee) you may not copy or use it, or disclose it to anyone else. If you have received this transmission in error please contact: ~admin@watsonwyatt.co.uk or IT Manager: +44(0)1737 241144 Fax: +44(0)1737 241496 Watson Wyatt Partners is regulated by the Institute of Actuaries in the conduct of UK investment business. _________________________________________________________________ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Mar 30 13:20:16 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id NAA29363 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 13:03:34 +0100 (BST) Received: from polaris.kbw.co.uk (kbw.ltd.uk [193.132.201.37]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA29351 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 13:03:29 +0100 (BST) Received: by dns1.kbw.co.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id <H9HHL5C5>; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 13:08:40 +0100 Message-ID: <DE5F813EE256D1118E8400A024889FA611237B@dns1.kbw.co.uk> From: Roger Thomson <Roger@kbw.co.uk> To: "'britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk'" <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: RE: Mail Bomb Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 13:08:36 +0100 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Chris and Ben, I already suggested this to Ralf (see below), but using an industrial-strength mail bomb package. He says don't bother and i'm inclined to agree. Let's wait a few days and see if Ralf's approach to AOL works. If we bomb him, he may well bomb us all back and I'm not convinced Britdisc users on dial-up access could hack the repercussions if we up the ante. Sensible Ralf. BTW: Well played UTI. Looks like we're all going to have a competitive and fun season...at last. Those Catch boys don't look too bad either. Surely we're not going to have to wait long for a report on this weekend! Regards R > What about a particularly strong mail-bombing campaign to keep him > quiet? No, I think not. In all likelihood, one of these will be true: 1. the spammer will only use the account for outgoing mail, and never actually waste their money trying to read mail from that account. 2. the address will be forged. 3. they'll use the fact that you've replied as confirmation that your address works, and you'll probably end up with even more spam. The same goes for web pages you are invited to use to unsubscribe with. (I've heard reports of people creating false mail addresses on these pages, and then watching all the attempts to send spam to these false addresses) 4. AOL will complain at your postmaster, which could cause trouble for you. In general, the best policy with junk mail is to ignore it or complain to your postmaster. (Whilst I'm not the postmaster in our department, I am in the fortunate position of beoing able to edit the automatic junk kill-file used by sendmail :-) Ralf. > -----Original Message----- > From: HUGHES, Chris [SMTP:CHughes@chelt.ac.uk] > Sent: 30 March 1998 12:35 > To: 'Ralf'; 'br5@leicester.ac.uk' > Cc: 'britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk' > Subject: Mail Bomb > > I agree, Wayne Retter had an interesting suggestion; if he is using > AOL, then he probably has to down load all his mail via BT. If > everyone who received his mail returned it to he five or six times > with unwanted message, or similar in the title, his system is going to > > get a bit hung up. > > Don't go off and do this yet, lets get a response from britdisc and > see if we're all prepared for to do this rather than an ineffectual > few. > > Chris > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ralf [SMTP:ralf@dcs.warwick.ac.uk] > Sent: 30 March 1998 10:42 > To: br5@leicester.ac.uk > Cc: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk > Subject: Re: BFDF Events Reminder > > Hi Ben, (cc'ed to BD) > > To be honest, I'm a little ****ed off about all this kind of e-mail > (I > thought the last one was pretty sick, but this one is just out of > order). > > It appears that whoever is responsible for this has found out that we > run > a list-server at Warwick, and managed to get the subscribers to > practically every majordomo mailing list run at Warwick, and has been > sending this junk to everyone from those lists. I've mailed our > postmaster to complain; apparently he already knew about this, as > it's > affected an awful lot of people within the Uni (for instance, I > received > this 3 times as I'm subscribed to quite a few lists here), and he > told > me he'd already complained at AOL. > > However, as this doesn't appear to have stopped, I'm going to > complain > again myself. (I suggest if you to complain, you mail abuse@aol.com > as > well as postmaster@aol.com). From the mail from our postmaster: > > | A complaint has already been sent to America On-line's postmaster, > | asking for appropriate steps to be taken against the user (since > this > | kind of mailing is a breach of the "Terms of Service" agreement > which > | they operate, this will normally result in the account being > closed). > | In addition to this, none of the Computing Services mail relays > will > | now accept mail which is sent from this specific address. > > Unfortunately, due to the way they've get hold of the addresses, they > have everybody's real addresses rather than just the britdisc > address, > so there's not an easy solution to stopping the mail from getting > through, as it goes straight to the recipient, and not through > britdisc. > > I suggest you ask the postmaster at your site to block all mails > originating from Spice16402@aol.com. Most unix-based sites run > sendmail > which can be configured fairly easily to refuse mail from certain > addresses. > > Sorry about all this, > Ralf. > ____ ____ _ _ ____ > .----------------------------------------. > _\__ \ _\__ \ / \ / \\__/ | Ranulf Doswell > | > / \_/ /_ / \_/ \ / / / /___ | Department of Computer > Science | > \ __ \\ __ \\ \ _\ \\_/ |University of Warwick, COVENTRY, > CV4 7AL| > \ \ \ \\ \ \ \\ \__/ \\ \ | Phone: 01203 523296 Fax: 01203 > 525714 | > \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \______/ \_/ > `----------------------------------------' From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Mar 30 13:44:37 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id NAA02835 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 13:27:08 +0100 (BST) Received: from amsta.leeds.ac.uk (amsta.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA02823 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 13:27:04 +0100 (BST) Received: from newton.leeds.amsta (newton.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.64]) by amsta.leeds.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA19679 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 13:27:48 +0100 (BST) Received: by newton.leeds.amsta (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id NAA00099; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 13:29:23 +0100 Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 13:29:23 +0100 From: amtsjh@amsta.leeds.ac.uk (S J Hill) Message-Id: <199803301229.NAA00099@newton.leeds.amsta> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: results and all that... will be coming soon X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Rog adds: > BTW: Well played UTI. Looks like we're all going to have a competitive > and fun season...at last. Those Catch boys don't look too bad either. I'd like to add congrats to UTI. > Surely we're not going to have to wait long for a report on this > weekend! No you won't. Lawrence kindly agreed to do a Newsletter-Report. The results will all go on the Newsletter too, together with info about Swindon. As soon as I've got all that info off to Jon Schofield I'll include some of it on BD together with the information of HOW and WHERE to get at the Newsletter. OK? Working... Si ps - Thanks again to all at RED for a very successful tourney. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Mar 30 13:47:34 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id NAA03860 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 13:33:30 +0100 (BST) Received: from epunix.biols.susx.ac.uk (root@epunix.biols.susx.ac.uk [139.184.162.2]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA03831 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 13:33:19 +0100 (BST) Received: from localhost (911 bytes) by epunix.biols.susx.ac.uk via sendmail with P:stdio/R:acukbind/T:smtp (sender: <kevinbr>) (ident <kevinbr> using unix) id <m0yJdkD-000BBjC@epunix.biols.susx.ac.uk> for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 13:32:53 +0100 ( BST) (Smail-3.2.0.101 1997-Dec-17 #10 built 1998-Feb-1) Message-Id: <m0yJdkD-000BBjC@epunix.biols.susx.ac.uk> From: kevinbr@biols.susx.ac.uk (Kevin Brooks) Subject: Re: Mail Bomb To: CHughes@chelt.ac.uk (HUGHES, Chris) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 13:32:53 +0100 ( BST) Cc: ralf@dcs.warwick.ac.uk, "'br5@leicester.ac.uk'"@chelt.ac.uk, br5@leicester.ac.uk, britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <c=GB%a=_%p=CHELT%l=EXCHPK01-980330113450Z-5414@exchpk01.chelt.ac.uk> from "HUGHES, Chris" at Mar 30, 98 12:34:50 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL20] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk CH... > Don't go off and do this yet, lets get a response from britdisc and > see if we're all prepared for to do this rather than an ineffectual > few. BR... > Hey but when we find him -LETS BOMB! Yep - I'm more than prepared to annoy this moronic little cunt, if a way can be found. Locks From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Mar 30 15:11:17 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id OAA16218 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 14:49:49 +0100 (BST) Received: from shrimp.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (ralf@shrimp [137.205.227.130]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA16201 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 14:49:44 +0100 (BST) Received: (from ralf@localhost) by shrimp.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA04991 for britdisc@csv; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 14:49:43 +0100 (BST) From: Ralf <ralf@dcs.warwick.ac.uk> Message-Id: <199803301349.OAA04991@shrimp.dcs.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Recent Junk mail from AOL (fwd) To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 14:49:42 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL35 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk FYI, ----- Forwarded message ----- I've received your report of America Online e-mail abuse. Be advised that I've investigated the situation using America Onlines Terms of Service Agreement (TOS) and basic Netiquette principles as a guide. I've taken appropriate action on the member's account, however, due to reasons of confidentiality, I am unable to disclose the nature of this action. Thanks for taking the time to report this matter to America Online. ----- End of forwarded message ----- Ralf. ____ ____ _ _ ____ .----------------------------------------. _\__ \ _\__ \ / \ / \\__/ | Ranulf Doswell | / \_/ /_ / \_/ \ / / / /___ | Department of Computer Science | \ __ \\ __ \\ \ _\ \\_/ |University of Warwick, COVENTRY, CV4 7AL| \ \ \ \\ \ \ \\ \__/ \\ \ | Phone: 01203 523296 Fax: 01203 525714 | \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \______/ \_/ `----------------------------------------' From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Mar 30 15:15:41 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id PAA18296 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 15:02:08 +0100 (BST) Received: from dryctnath.mmu.ac.uk (dryctnath.mmu.ac.uk [149.170.190.134]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA18280 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 15:02:03 +0100 (BST) Received: from yorktown.mmu.ac.uk [149.170.132.252] by dryctnath.mmu.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #1) id 0yJf8T-00026B-00; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 15:02:01 +0100 Received: from MMU-HOL-YORKTOWN/SpoolDir by yorktown.mmu.ac.uk (Mercury 1.31); 30 Mar 98 15:02:03 GMT Received: from SpoolDir by MMU-HOL-YORKTOWN (Mercury 1.31); 30 Mar 98 15:01:51 GMT From: "Lawrence PAULSON" <L.Paulson@mmu.ac.uk> Organization: Manchester Metropolitan University To: amtsjh@amsta.leeds.ac.uk (S J Hill) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 15:01:45 +GMT Subject: Oh S**t! Reply-to: lpaulson@postmaster.co.uk CC: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <91741474BD@yorktown.mmu.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Dear Si (and Everyone Else), With regard to the weekend's tournament in Leicester, as you so rightly pointed out in your last missive to Britdisc: > Lawrence kindly agreed to do a Newsletter-Report. I really don't know how to put this, but... Filled with plans of making approaches to as many teams as I could on Sunday, getting people's opinions on the tournament, the upsets they had seen, the great layouts they'd performed, the teams they wanted to bitch about, I *did* have plans to put together a tournament report, the journalistic standards of which had never before been experienced in British Ultimate. However, a hellish day playing Iron Man (sometimes 6) in the wind and rain with squad including 3 'first outdoor tournament' players, a vicious groin strain (not half as funny as it sounds), a soul destroying evening on a walking tour of the run down industrial areas of Leicester,and experiencing the Herculean task of finding a taxi at 12:45am, meant that by the time my head touched pillow on Sat night I had reached the limit of physical and mental endurance. When Sunday arrived, (an hour earlier than usual), and brought with it 2 games back to back first thing, with only a 30 minute gap before a third, rather than the compilation of a tournament report- my thoughts turned to how in the hell I was going to manage to drive back to Manchester without falling asleep at the wheel. >From this, and with the backing of my teammates, we decided to leave Leicester as soon as possible, following our final game. Whilst I would have enjoyed watching the final, and I'm always loathe to miss a presentation, in balance this seemed the sensible thing to do. Please allow me to apologise for not being able to write a tournament report, per se (I hardly think my own subjective view of such a large and diverse tournament could possibly give a fair reflection) and, more importanty, for not contacting you yesterday at the tournament to arrange an alternative. I feel particularly embarrassed as it was me who was partially responsible for kicking off all the tournament report debate in the first place. I hope somebody can fill in the placings details, and who won what awards, and that this doesn't cause you too much hassle regarding the Tour Newsletter. Sorry again, Love & Luck, Lawrence Fingers 6 From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Mar 30 15:40:52 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id PAA21826 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 15:21:21 +0100 (BST) Received: from amsta.leeds.ac.uk (amsta.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA21812 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 15:21:18 +0100 (BST) Received: from newton.leeds.amsta (newton.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.64]) by amsta.leeds.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA23932 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 15:22:07 +0100 (BST) Received: by newton.leeds.amsta (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id PAA00310; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 15:23:42 +0100 Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 15:23:42 +0100 From: amtsjh@amsta.leeds.ac.uk (S J Hill) Message-Id: <199803301423.PAA00310@newton.leeds.amsta> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: LEICESTER: TOUR I - results and points X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk aha! the best laid plans and all that... Report Plan B. I will write a report from what I saw and from what you saw...(huh?) What did you see that was spectacular/bad/worrying/exciting/ etc/etc/etc? EMAIL DIRECT to amtsjh@amsta.leeds.ac.uk (not BD! unless you can't stop yourself) anything from ONE LINE TO A MAMMOTH EPIC. >From this deluge of information, (and what I saw) I will put a report together. MUST ARRIVE BEFORE I GO HOME FROM WORK ON TUESDAY AFTERNOON. Si RESULTS and current ranking points after 1 event ------------------------------------------------ (I would extremely suprised if Wayne had made a mistake - but let us know if you don't agree with whats below.) > SPIRIT: Phat'Eds > > Rank Team Points > 1 UTI 250 > 2 Shotgun 230 > 3 Catch 22 222 > 4 Fluid Druids 210 > 5 Chevron Action Flash 205 > 6 Headrush 190 > 7 Violently Happy 181 > 8 Red I 170 > > 9 First Touch 162 > 10 Red Shift 150 > 11 GB Juniors 141 > 12 Mild Mannered Janitors 130 > 13 Sneeekys 125 > 14 Superfly 110 > 15 Blue Arse Flies 101 > 16 Village People 90 > > 17 Jedi Children 81 > 18 Picnic in the Sky 75 > 19 Skunks 70 > 20 Whiplash 65 > 21 Bliss 60 > 22 K-Niggets 55 > 23 Strange Blue 50 > 24 Twin Peaks 45 > > 25 Sharks 40 > 26 Mad Kows 35 > 27 Chaos 30 > 28 Phat 'Eds 25 > 29 Fingers 6 20 > 30 Mohawks Mwnci See 15 > 31 Red II 10 > 32 Charnwood Sunz 5 From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Mar 30 16:43:43 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id QAA02390 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 16:21:18 +0100 (BST) Received: from ntintel2.webleicester.co.uk (ns1.webleicester.co.uk [195.146.160.2]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA02356 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 16:21:12 +0100 (BST) Received: from dhcp-05.webleicester.co.uk (dhcp-05.webleicester.co.uk [195.146.160.145]) by ntintel2.webleicester.co.uk (NTMail 3.03.0017/1.am2n) with ESMTP id wa265872 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 16:20:50 +0100 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 15:23:52 -0000 Message-ID: <01BD5BEF.D88BE4C0.scott@webleicester.co.uk> From: Ian Scotland <scott@webleicester.co.uk> Reply-To: "scott@webleicester.co.uk" <scott@webleicester.co.uk> To: "'lpaulson@postmaster.co.uk'" <lpaulson@postmaster.co.uk>, S J Hill <amtsjh@amsta.leeds.ac.uk> Cc: "britdisc (E-mail)" <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: RE: Oh S**t! Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 15:23:51 -0000 Organization: WEBLEICESTER X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Lawrence, Simon and Britdisc, > With regard to the weekend's tournament in Leicester, as you so > rightly pointed out in your last missive to Britdisc: > > > Lawrence kindly agreed to do a Newsletter-Report. > > I really don't know how to put this, but... We will actually eventually have a brief but informative tournament report compiled which was delegated to one of our players who unfortunately for BD does not live on the Internet. Hence it may be next week before the report appears here. It will certainly not be of the scale Lawrence was intending, but nevertheless a record of events. Suffering from a Rude awakening Scott From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Mar 31 11:10:39 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id KAA04477 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 10:54:31 +0100 (BST) Received: from dirc.bris.ac.uk (dirc.bris.ac.uk [137.222.10.51]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA04463 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 10:54:27 +0100 (BST) Received: from sis.bris.ac.uk by dirc.bris.ac.uk with SMTP-PRIV (PP) with ESMTP; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 10:53:59 +0100 Received: from [137.222.156.36] (langah3.lang.bris.ac.uk [137.222.156.36]) by sis.bris.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA13429 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 10:52:02 +0100 (BST) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 09:56:07 +0000 From: Raf Freire <Raf.Freire@Bristol.ac.uk> Reply-To: Raf.Freire@Bristol.ac.uk Subject: women's division-a rethink? To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Message-ID: <MailDrop1.2d7j.980331095607@langah3.lang.bris.ac.uk> X-Authenticated: <lvrf@mail.bris.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk The issue of a women's divisions and tournaments seems to be on many peoples mind at the momment. One stumbling block seems to be that we don't know how many women will participate in a division of their own in preference to the open division. I think we have been approaching the issue from the wrong direction (i.e. the players) and that we should turn the whole thing on its head. I think a women's division should be provided at all levels of domestic tournaments (tour, individual tournaments, nationals, open, indoors). If not enough women's team enter to hold a meaningful competition, then the places should be given to open teams. This might sound like a logistical nightmare for the BUF and TD's, but entry deadlines, reserve lists etc are already used in tournaments to facilitate this. so why? It's down to money (equality too but that's a grey area). Sooner or later in our quest for serious financial support we are going to be asked about what facilities we make for women (cf cricket board). (I'm slightly directing this at the BUF's new sports council recognition appointee (sorry Mark(?) honeymoon's over) and the public thingy post). What are we going to say? that the open division is open to women? sure it is, but all international tournaments have a womens division and women didn't feature in great numbers in the top teams in leicester (top mixed team was headrush?). I don't think it'll wash. Alternatively, we could say that we are the only country in the world that provides equal opportunities for competition within an open and womens division. What I know of politicians and civil servants is that they'll happily fling money at anything that is standard setting. In short, I think we should set an international standard. Rafi (22) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Apr 1 09:51:34 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id JAA14382 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 09:35:03 +0100 (BST) Received: from dryctnath.mmu.ac.uk (dryctnath.mmu.ac.uk [149.170.190.134]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA14375 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 09:35:00 +0100 (BST) Received: from yorktown.mmu.ac.uk [149.170.132.252] by dryctnath.mmu.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #1) id 0yKIyo-0006uy-00; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 09:34:42 +0100 Received: from MMU-HOL-YORKTOWN/SpoolDir by yorktown.mmu.ac.uk (Mercury 1.31); 1 Apr 98 09:34:42 GMT Received: from SpoolDir by MMU-HOL-YORKTOWN (Mercury 1.31); 1 Apr 98 09:34:15 GMT From: "Lawrence PAULSON" <L.Paulson@mmu.ac.uk> Organization: Manchester Metropolitan University To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 09:34:10 +GMT Subject: Tour VI? Reply-to: lpaulson@postmaster.co.uk X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <BBFFB948F0@yorktown.mmu.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Dear All, Following the recent Tour I event in Leicester, a few points have struck me about the set up of the Tour, and I hope to suggest a few ways the format could be improved. Firstly, rather than the bottom 4 teams be given a vague threat a few days before the tournament that they may not get into the next Tour tournament, this should instead be applied to the TOP 4 teams- after all they have more points between them than most of the other teams put together- so why should they waste their time playing in Tour II? Secondly, a revised schedule could be drawn up. I found it diffult to understand what was going on half the time in Leicester (and I'm usually quite good at that sort of thing). Can I suggest that rather than the top 1 from each group going into a play-off, then the next and and finally the bottom 2, that the first 2 from the three groups with the best record, go forward automatically, along with the top 1 from the remaining 5, the second place teams going into a intermediate play-off with 3rd placed teams from the other 3 groups, leaving a the bottom sixteen to play off crossover games with the middle sixteen, the top 6 progressing from this, the middle 4 playing off for a chance to play with the top 16 and the bottom 8 playing a one-game 'Battle Royal' with all 8 teams on the field at once. Thirdly, that in light of the sometimes appalling weather conditions towards the beginning and end of the outdoor season, maybe we should consider holding the first Tour event as an INDOOR tournament- thus also making the tour champions the UNDISPUTED champions of British Ultimate. Fourthly, that women's teams should be BANNED from ALL future BUF events, and further, that women who've already played for Women's Team should be exluded from entering with Open teams unless they agree to play in false moustaches. Similar rules could also be extended to Students (make them play in shirts and ties maybe) and juniors (long trousers). I've thought long and hard about these changes, and general views and comments would be much appreciated. Love & Luck, Lawrence Fingers 6 From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Apr 1 09:54:10 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id JAA16876 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 09:51:09 +0100 (BST) Received: from amsta.leeds.ac.uk (amsta.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA16848 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 09:51:03 +0100 (BST) Received: from newton.leeds.amsta (newton.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.64]) by amsta.leeds.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA16032 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 09:51:53 +0100 (BST) Received: by newton.leeds.amsta (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA03633; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 09:53:31 +0100 Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 09:53:31 +0100 From: amtsjh@amsta.leeds.ac.uk (S J Hill) Message-Id: <199804010853.JAA03633@newton.leeds.amsta> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Leicester Report X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk The BUF Tour: Leicester Outdoors -------------------------------- The first Ultim-8 Tour Event of 1998 was held at Victoria Park, Leicester on the 28/29 March. UTI beat Shotgun in a thrilling final, with SOTG going to Phat'Eds (Sheffield Uni), and the plate being won by Jedi (Leeds Uni). This year the tournament hosted 32 teams, competing initially in 8 pools of 4, with the winner of each pool progressing to the quarter-finals. There were 12 pitches (mostly of a good standard, although it is difficult to find many venues with 10+ perfect, flat pitches), and the whole thing was run smoothly by Scott, Ben and Red Ultimate Club. With the first round of the Tour being run on an open format many of the opening pool games were rather one-sided affairs. Nonetheless there were some great moments, and also some suprises. GB Juniors and Superfly both found their way into the top 16, with Headrush and Red Shift beating Red and First Touch respectively to make the quarter finals. Matt Lowe of Charnwood Sunz said "I think my moment of the tournament had to be when our team first scored. After losing our first game 13 - 0 we were feeling down, then the rain came down and all just before we had to play Catch 22. Though when Iain (a.k.a Big Hands) scored our first point we all leapt onto him, a huge pile-up in the mud, the Catch players saw this as a good moment to join in." The top 3 teams were expected to cruise through their quarter-finals, and this they did. UTI were in efficient mood: despatching Violently Happy 15-0. One VH player said it was "the first time in 15 years" he had been in a game and failed to score! The long anticipated Druids-Chevron match-up came and went all too quickly for Chevron who found themselves 6-0 down before they could get going. Elsewhere in the tournament Sharks and Strange Blue found themselves in unfamiliar territory, and Village People were karate-chopped out of the top 12 by new Leeds team Mild Mannered Janitors. The two women's teams Bliss and Twin Peaks were also looking good, firmly in the 17-24 section of the competition after pool wins over Jedi and Skunks respectively. On Sunday the competition to remain in the top 8 hotted up: Chevron, Headrush and VH all held onto their positions, but Red Shift lost an early lead against Red who finally won in a tense ending. First Touch took their revenge for Saturday-defeat against the Southampton team, and GB Juniors came in an impressive 11th. VH maintained their grip over Red, and Chevron recovered from a poor start against this season's revitalised Headrush to finish 5th. The two semis on adjacent pitches left the spectators spoilt for choice! Damo writes: "Shotgun v Druids: both teams started well and traded for almost the entirety of the first half. The new look Druids were capitalising on their improved style of play (which one spectator referred to as Slim-boy-Ultimate) and never looked like letting Shotgun run away with the game. Or did I speak to soon? The game is tied at 10-10 and Shotgun have turned over. The Druids then play some patient and steady offence against Shotgun's own style of zone, but make an unfortunate, unforced error near Shotgun's end-zone line. Ten seconds later, Shotgun have scored and taken the first half, 11-10. This may well have been the moment that turned the game because straight after half time Druids continue to make errors on offence and ten minutes later Shotgun have what seems to be an unassailable lead. Final score 21-14. Meanwhile, on the next pitch, UTI and Catch were playing the other semi. Again, the teams started off pretty evenly but UTI then capitalised on a few errors to take a 9-6 lead. Back come Catch and UTI look stunned as Catch win the half 11-9, scoring 5 unanswered points; the highlight of which was a "hammer-fest point". Rafi throws a curving hammer half the length of the pitch which looks certain to be D. An amazing layout grab by Paolo rescues the throw, a quick swing to Kiwi Gazza is swiftly followed by a cross-field hammer which eats up the remaining half of the pitch, landing in the hands of an un-marked Catch player in the corner of the zone." In the cap UTI held off a final Catch comeback to win 20-18. The final itself was slightly marred by a change of weather. But most people didn't notice the rain as they enjoyed an enthralling game. At times it looked as though Gun would grasp the initiative, but UTI refused to give in. "Ploughman" Ian and Guy Bowles led the charge of spectacular dives on both O and D. "Light'ning" Pete Harvey took an incredible layout grab in front of Lee, but it cost the Gunners dear as he was left injured. Alex Bowers was a constant thorn in Aram's side and as the end approached UTI started to take control. The National Indoor Champs pulled out all the stops to score the last 8 points whilst Shotgun (for the first time ever?) looked a little short of answers. The last word goes to Roger: "Looks like we're all going to have a competitive and fun season". Results were sent yesterday. Thanks for contibutions/information from Colin Eagles, Dora Kemp, Matt Lowe, Damo Mudge, Wayne Retter, Neil Travers and Colin Wagstaff. Damo will take over the collation/editing job to provide a BD-report and NEWSLETTER report of Tour II - and he will mention this again nearer the time. Thanks Damo! Si (22) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Apr 1 10:37:45 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id KAA21405 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 10:23:01 +0100 (BST) Received: from artemis.le.ac.uk (artemis.le.ac.uk [143.210.16.126]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA21397 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 10:22:58 +0100 (BST) Received: from harrier.le.ac.uk [143.210.8.56] by artemis.le.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #5) id 0yKJlQ-0003ic-00; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 10:24:56 +0100 Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 10:22:51 +0100 (BST) From: "B. Ravilious" <br5@leicester.ac.uk> X-Sender: br5@harrier To: Britdisc <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Injuries Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.96.980401101502.5745A-100000@harrier> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi all Hope you enjoyed the tournament. We'd be pretty smug here at Red if I hadn't forgot to order Brick spots! One very noticeable statistic: There were virtually no injuries on Saturday but loads (including a dislocated shoulder) on Sunday. Can I suggest that teams think much more carefully about warming-up and down properly, especially as many people will not in top condition this early on in the season. Did you team warm up and stretch before every game? Do you know the correct way to warm up? Do you know how to stretch the important muscle groups? Discuss.... Ben ================================================================================ Ben Ravilious, (0116) 2559638 home br5@le.ac.uk (0116) 2525824 work ORACLE Trial Playing Ultimate for RED University of Leicester www.ultimateweb.co.uk/red/ ================================================================================ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Apr 1 12:12:25 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id LAA03077 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:48:59 +0100 (BST) Received: from smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk (smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk [193.114.232.134]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA03061 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:48:55 +0100 (BST) From: Wayne_Retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk Received: from ccMail by smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk (IMA Internet Exchange 2.12 Enterprise) id 00032495; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:33:17 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 10:12:31 +0000 Message-ID: <00032495.4069@watsonwyatt.co.uk> Subject: w/e 4+5/4/98: Lifts to Whitney To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk I'm looking for lifts from London-ish to/from the GB Open / Women / Masters training in Whitney on Sunday 4 April for the following people: 1) Justine, a female canadian player currently in STOKE NEWINGTON needs a lift BOTH WAYS if you can help, please call her on: 0171-616-4861 (w) 0956-699512 (h - beware, the phone will be answered in French!) 2) Wayne Retter needs a lift BACK to South London (to a mainline railway station on London-Brighton line?) if you can help, please reply to this email, or call: 01737-273611 (w) 01737-242109 (h) Cheers Wayne ________________________________________________________________ Notice of Confidentiality This transmission is intended for the named addressee only. 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Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 49 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk I really don't understand Lawrence's suggestions, particularly on the proposal for who advances and who declines. Clearly, if you are going to have the top two teams from each pool advance, they should then cross-over, with the bottom bracket teams then dropping out and playing the winners of the losers in a double-elimination back-door round, which would leave the 4 teams remaining undefeated after the first round of play-offs playing each other in a second round single game, first to score three advancing over the top. And then the winner of the winning pool and the winners of the losing pool with meet, preferably in dueling pistols down the line at ten paces. Stephen formerly GUN, still Happy From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Apr 1 17:10:25 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id QAA18764 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 16:56:14 +0100 (BST) Received: from venus.open.ac.uk (venus.open.ac.uk [137.108.143.2]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA18748 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 16:56:10 +0100 (BST) Received: from msmgate3.open.ac.uk by venus with SMTP Local (MMTA v2.2); Wed, 1 Apr 1998 16:47:08 +0100 Received: by msmgate3.open.ac.uk with Microsoft Mail id <35226F8D@msmgate3.open.ac.uk>; Wed, 01 Apr 98 16:47:09 BST From: "S.J.Pierson -Sara Pierson" <S.J.Pierson@open.ac.uk> To: britdisc <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Kowpat '98 Date: Wed, 01 Apr 98 16:45:00 BST Message-ID: <35226F8D@msmgate3.open.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Dear Kowmates After the runaway success of the Kowpat'97 outdoor tournament, the herd has once again decided to stage this prestigious event in '98. Welcome to the New Variant - Kowpat'98!!!!!!!!!!! The tournament will be held on the 23/24th May 1998 at the Open University's playing fields in Milton Keynes. Special features this year include top quality pitches (4 of), showers (men and women's), camping facilities, all day bar and full menu (v. cheap, heaps of food), Saturday night party (with DJs) and late bar, full breakfast menu, evening meal, and a 10 screen cinema if you're bored. Oh, and roundabouts ...... all this for an amazingly cheap GBP 65 - where else would you find such value for money!! There will be a total of 16 teams participating and we've already had deposits from some people, so get yours in soon. We need replies as soon as possible, either in the yay or nay sense, complete with a GBP 15 deposit to secure your grazing patch. Details and maps will then be sent out to you once we get our pat together, or alternatively print it from http://www-cs.open.ac.uk/~martin/pages/Mad_Kows.html Reply to Kow-master Laurie Ritchie by email l.j.ritchie@cranfield.ac.uk, and send your deposit cheques payable to "Mad Kows Ultimate" to Matt Hinton, OU Business School, The Open University, Walton Hall, Milton Keynes, MK7 6AA. Apologies if this is the fortieth time you've received this, but there you go, that's me and computers...see you at Kowpat'98...... Laurie. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Apr 1 23:43:39 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id XAA27623 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 23:24:28 +0100 (BST) Received: from praseodumium (praseodumium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.82]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA27612 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 23:24:20 +0100 (BST) Received: from btinternet.com [195.99.60.145] by praseodumium with smtp (Exim 1.70 #1) id 0yKVvW-0000aE-00; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 23:24:11 +0100 Message-ID: <MAPI.Id.0016.0061726b2e4a6a204238394630303145@MAPI.to.RFC822> In-Reply-To: <BBFFB948F0@yorktown.mmu.ac.uk> References: Conversation <BBFFB948F0@yorktown.mmu.ac.uk> with last message <BBFFB948F0@yorktown.mmu.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mark Jefferson <Mark.Jj@btinternet.com> Subject: Re: Tour VI? Date: Wed, 01 Apr 98 21:59:57 GMT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk LAWRENCE FOR BUF DIRECTOR!!!!! Dear All, Following the recent Tour I event in Leicester, a few points have struck me about the set up of the Tour, and I hope to suggest a few ways the format could be improved. Firstly, rather than the bottom 4 teams be given a vague threat a few days before the tournament that they may not get into the next Tour tournament, this should instead be applied to the TOP 4 teams- after all they have more points between them than most of the other teams put together- so why should they waste their time playing in Tour II? Secondly, a revised schedule could be drawn up. I found it diffult to understand what was going on half the time in Leicester (and I'm usually quite good at that sort of thing). Can I suggest that rather than the top 1 from each group going into a play-off, then the next and and finally the bottom 2, that the first 2 from the three groups with the best record, go forward automatically, along with the top 1 from the remaining 5, the second place teams going into a intermediate play-off with 3rd placed teams from the other 3 groups, leaving a the bottom sixteen to play off crossover games with the middle sixteen, the top 6 progressing from this, the middle 4 playing off for a chance to play with the top 16 and the bottom 8 playing a one-game 'Battle Royal' with all 8 teams on the field at once. Thirdly, that in light of the sometimes appalling weather conditions towards the beginning and end of the outdoor season, maybe we should consider holding the first Tour event as an INDOOR tournament- thus also making the tour champions the UNDISPUTED champions of British Ultimate. Fourthly, that women's teams should be BANNED from ALL future BUF events, and further, that women who've already played for Women's Team should be exluded from entering with Open teams unless they agree to play in false moustaches. Similar rules could also be extended to Students (make them play in shirts and ties maybe) and juniors (long trousers). I've thought long and hard about these changes, and general views and comments would be much appreciated. Love & Luck, Lawrence Fingers 6 From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Apr 2 13:02:00 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id MAA26029 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 12:44:53 +0100 (BST) Received: from exchpk01.chelt.ac.uk (exchpk01.chelt.ac.uk [194.66.194.228]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA26013 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 12:44:47 +0100 (BST) Received: by exchpk01.chelt.ac.uk with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD5E35.1BC784A0@exchpk01.chelt.ac.uk>; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 12:44:42 +0100 Message-ID: <c=GB%a=_%p=CHELT%l=EXCHPK01-980402114441Z-6581@exchpk01.chelt.ac.uk> From: "HUGHES, Chris" <CHughes@chelt.ac.uk> To: "'Tebewebb'" <Tebewebb@aol.com>, "'lpaulson@postmaster.co.uk'" <lpaulson@postmaster.co.uk>, "'britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk'" <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: RE: Tour VI? Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 12:44:41 +0100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk I would like to move back to the first idea, but build on it. A thirty-two team game of hot box, with four discs and no fouls. The team that has scored the most points after 6 hours of play on Saturday are crowned Tour VI champions. MVP goes to the player with the most broken bones, yet can still walk. Chris (Slim-boy ultimate???? - don't make me laugh!!) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Apr 2 13:02:09 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id MAA25949 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 12:44:07 +0100 (BST) Received: from ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk (cusexim@ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.6]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA25928 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 12:44:03 +0100 (BST) Received: from caj1.arch.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.34.20]) by ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk id 0yKiPY-0007LT-00; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 12:44:00 +0100 Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 12:42:25 GMT From: "Dora A. Kemp" <dak12@cam.ac.uk> To: <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: lost property X-Mailer: Mulberry [1.0.1, s/n #10001] X-Authenticated: dak12 by imap.cus.cam.ac.uk X-Licensed-To: University of Cambridge MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <E0yKiPY-0007LT-00@ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk To Women, Sharks or anyone else with information Can anyone who picked up a pair of blue Sharks track suit bottoms at the Women's Indoors in Oxford ages ago please either bring it to Swindon for me or email me to make an alternative arrangement. Thank you very much. Could have used them in Leicester!! Dora Kemp Whatever does good should be held in honour, and the only shame is in doing harm. - Plato McDonald Institute for Archaeological Research Downing Street, Cambridge, England, CB2 3ER (01223) 339336; (01223) 333536 (FAX)/(01223) 339285; dak12@cam.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Apr 2 14:43:58 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id OAA11232 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 14:25:47 +0100 (BST) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA11220 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 14:25:44 +0100 (BST) Received: from ultimatum.demon.co.uk ([158.152.203.174]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa2027290; 2 Apr 98 13:05 GMT Subject: Ultimatum 36 available online now Date: Thu, 2 Apr 98 14:12:58 +0100 x-sender: ultimatum@pop3.demon.co.uk x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: Paul Hurt <paul@ultimatum.demon.co.uk> To: BritDisc <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Message-ID: <891522354.2027290.0@ultimatum.demon.co.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi All Ultimatum Issue 36 is available now =================================== Contents: * National Indoors report (which you won't have seen already) * Ultim-8 Tour points system * Paganello preview * Student Indoors * Dealing with head injuries * Current activities of the World Flying Disc Federation (very interesting) Ultimatum 36 is available now on the website as an Acrobat PDF. Printed copies will be done in the next week or so, but of course it may be a little while before you get them, so if you're in a rush, download issue 36 now from: http://www.ultimatum.demon.co.uk See you soon. Paul --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Hurt Editor, Ultimatum Magazine, London, England editor@ultimatum.demon.co.uk Visit Ultimatum Online... http://www.ultimatum.demon.co.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Apr 2 18:32:25 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id SAA17758 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 18:19:57 +0100 (BST) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA17749 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 18:19:55 +0100 (BST) Received: from phidelta.demon.co.uk ([158.152.248.177]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa2021304; 2 Apr 98 17:16 GMT Message-ID: <SPTGrTARoqI1EwOZ@phidelta.demon.co.uk> Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 21:56:49 +0100 To: BritDisc <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Cc: Merrick Cardew <merrick.cardew@g4tech.co.uk> From: Adam Fatboy Batchelor <adam.batchelor@virgin.net> Subject: Ross on Wye - Dates Announced! MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Trial Version 3.04 <pjZRgFWDsQK5ViyP$l4rxVrb6a> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Adam said he'd do this a week ago, but I've not seen it yet, so.... Fluid Druids are once again proud to present ROSS-ON-WYE Ultimate Tournament Sat 01 + Sun 02 AUGUST 1998 despite our worst fears (and greatest hopes) it's at the same venue as always... More information to follow from the Fat One... ................................................ : FLUID DRUIDS : : theultimatefrisbeeteam : : druid@dreamer.demon.co.uk : : http://www.dreamer.demon.co.uk/druids/ : :..............................................: From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Apr 2 22:25:33 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id WAA09501 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 22:10:10 +0100 (BST) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-10.mail.demon.net [193.195.0.154]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA09477 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 22:10:05 +0100 (BST) Received: from phidelta.demon.co.uk ([158.152.248.177]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa1011287; 2 Apr 98 21:07 GMT Message-ID: <tEfitJADw$I1EwZa@phidelta.demon.co.uk> Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 21:58:43 +0100 To: BritDisc <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>, Merrick Cardew <merrick.cardew@g4tech.co.uk> From: Tour II TD <tour2@phidelta.demon.co.uk> Reply-To: wayne_retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk MMDF-Warning: Parse error in original version of preceding line at post.mail.demon.net Subject: Tour II Entrants MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Trial Version 3.04 <pjZRgFWDsQK5ViyP$l4rxVrb6a> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk All Upon the expected arrival of Sharks' and Mud Culture's deposits with Dora, it looks like we have another 32 team Event! Some important questions (everybody needs to read Q3!): Q1. Have you sent Dora a deposit and yet don't appear on the list below? (A. I hope not, 'cos I've not received entry fees from anyone extra!) Q2. Have you all contacted the TD (me!) and paid/arranged to pay the entry fee or confirmed your entry? A. VIOLENTLY HAPPY and URIEL - TALK TO ME !!!! Q3. What do you do if you want to book rooms for Saturday night? (assuming you're not a] camping or b] making other arrangements) A. RING 01793-791000 and speak to Debbie Lea or Helen Baker BEFORE 2.00pm FRIDAY 17 MARCH. Rooms CANNOT be obtained on the Saturday! The tournament information packs will go in the post to the team contacts (as per my list if you supplied details, or the BUF list if you didn't) EARLY NEXT WEEK. That's about it at the moment... the website's got more stuff on it... Wayne Deposits received: - listed in order of receipt - numbered in order of accepted entry 1 Catch 22 2 Strange Blue 3 First Touch 4 Skunks 5 Mad Kows 6 Chaos 7 Twin Peaks 8 Village People 9 GB Juniors 10 JediChildren 11 Fluid Druids 12 Headrush 13 UTI 14 Red I 28 Red II (relegated by TWL process) 15 Chevron Action Flash 16 Mild Mannered Janitors 29 Fingers 6 (relegated by TWL process) 17 Shotgun Wedding 18 Blue Arse Flies 19 Uriel 20 K-Niggets 21 Violently Happy 22 Red Shift 23 Night Fever 24 Sneeekys 25 Slipdisc 26 Whiplash 27 Picnic in the Sky 30 Bliss -- Tour II TD tour2@phidelta.demon.co.uk http://www.phidelta.demon.co.uk/u8-98/tour2/ Layout Dreams From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sat Apr 4 13:52:14 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id MAA01282 for britdisc-outgoing; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 12:55:48 +0100 (BST) Received: from amsta.leeds.ac.uk (amsta.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA01271 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 12:55:34 +0100 (BST) Received: from newton.leeds.amsta (newton.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.64]) by amsta.leeds.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA17834 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 12:56:21 +0100 (BST) Received: by newton.leeds.amsta (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id MAA14016; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 12:58:05 +0100 Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 12:58:05 +0100 From: amtsjh@amsta.leeds.ac.uk (S J Hill) Message-Id: <199804041158.MAA14016@newton.leeds.amsta> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: tour update... X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk I'm tempted not to do this... but its bound to backfire on me if I don't. If you need to get in touch with me about anything relating to the tour I am nipping off to Devon for the week. I won't be able to read my email - so its phone or shouting I'm afraid. My parents phone number is: 01237 474739. I'm sure there won't be any problems tho'. Here is the current tour situation: Swindon: we WILL have 32 teams. (So Fingers 6 and Bliss: you can ignore previous messages about possibly not having a place.) I believe that info will be arriving with your team contacts soon. Birmingham: sorry about the delay with details for this event - but things are nearly sorted now. In any case, 25+ teams have already sent a deposit for what was planned as a 24-team event. I have been talking to Charlie and he is trying to make it possible to increase the numbers. I expect we will go to 28 at least. (We may even be able to do this on the 8 planned-for pitches.) Charlie is hoping to be at Swindon. Southampton. Again, this is another 8-pitches tourney I think. Again, something like 24 teams have already paid deposits. We'll look into increasing the capacity for this one too - altho' I doubt we'll be able to go past 28. Exeter is bigger - I doubt there'll be any probs there at all. (I think 23 teams had paid deposits at the last count!) ***************************************************************************** REMEMBER: for all teams that pay DEPOSITS before the deposit-closing date the system for deciding who gets in is NOT only first-come-first-served. So its still very possible to get into the tour events simply by paying your deposit in time. The system for working out who gets automatic places, etc is described in the rules, which your team capt has, but are also to be found at http://www.phidelta.demon.co.uk/u8-98/ along with several other handy bits of info! ANYONE who doesn't pay deposit by the closing date MAY get into the tournament - but only on a first-come first-served basis (no matter who you are!) Paying the TD earlier will not help you get in - but it is much appreciated. In any case, the TD SHOULD BE PAID BY THE CLOSING DATE, (unless you have made specific arrangements with the TD to do something else, eg student teams who are hard up for cash will be allowed to pay on the day - but speak to the TD). ***************************************************************************** Thanks to pretty much everyone re- paying deposits and especially for paying tourney entry fees. It *really* is a big help to TDs. Thats it... tour newsletter coming soon... See you in Swindon! Si (22) ---------- Simon Hill 0113 289 0971 (h) 0113 233 5175 (w) 01237 474739 (parents in Bideford from Sun 5th Apr - Sun 12th Apr) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sun Apr 5 13:08:16 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id MAA00316 for britdisc-outgoing; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 12:11:21 +0100 (BST) Received: from svr-a-02.core.theplanet.net (svr-a-02.core.theplanet.net [195.92.192.12]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA00296 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 12:11:02 +0100 (BST) Received: from modem41.bull-winkle.pol.co.uk ([195.92.5.41]) by svr-a-02.core.theplanet.net with smtp (Exim 1.891 #3) for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk id 0yLnKE-0007ng-00; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 12:10:58 +0100 Received: by modem41.bull-winkle.pol.co.uk with Microsoft Mail id <01BD608B.B625E7A0@modem41.bull-winkle.pol.co.uk>; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 12:09:40 +0100 Message-ID: <01BD608B.B625E7A0@modem41.bull-winkle.pol.co.uk> From: Michael Johnson <mj@glasgow.prestel.co.uk> To: "britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk" <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: size 14 boots Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 12:09:23 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Calling all people with clown size feet. Does anyone know where I might find size 14 boots? I have had no luck here. Thanks, MJ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sun Apr 5 18:03:57 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id RAA15102 for britdisc-outgoing; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 17:07:29 +0100 (BST) Received: from wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk (bee.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk [131.111.48.99]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA15080 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 17:07:02 +0100 (BST) Received: by wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk (UK-Smail 3.1.25.1/15) id <m0yLrwe-000008C@wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk>; Sun, 5 Apr 98 17:06 BST Message-Id: <m0yLrwe-000008C@wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk> Date: Sun, 5 Apr 98 17:06 BST From: mackay@mrao.cam.ac.uk (David J.C. MacKay) To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk, j.m.wilson@dundee.ac.uk Subject: Re: Novelty discs, rack you brains Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk I have got two sorts of novelty discs. I got them both from a sports company called Newitts. One is made of foam (from some German company) and costs about 5.00 and flies like shit. The other is made out of vinyl (called a CatchDiscII), costs 3.50 and flies like shit. The best non-disc I have seen is a ring made of a metal wire and an elasticated piece of cloth stretched over it. I don't know where to get this from, but I know my 4 year old niece can huck it 30 yards no problem. The bottom line: IMHO, there is no point buying novelty discs. They are too expensive. If you want to promote Junior ultimate, I will sell you ultrastars for 3.50 each, in bulk. BUF discs are available at similar prices too. David ========================================================================== David J.C. MacKay email: mackay@mrao.cam.ac.uk www: http://wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk/mackay/ Cavendish Laboratory, tel: (01223) 339852 fax: 354599 home: 276411 Madingley Road, international code: +44 1223 Cambridge CB3 0HE. 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So if your Grandmother's dog walker used to know a girl > who's father's second cousin once took a walk in the park and saw out of > the corner of his eye something that might have been a disc different > from a 175 Ultrastar, I want to hear from you! ;-) > > Cheers in advance > All the bester > Jester > > Dundee Ultimate Shooting Stars* > In no control for '98 > From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Apr 6 07:36:26 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id GAA25967 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 06:44:41 +0100 (BST) Received: from ns0.umbra.co.uk (ns0.umbra.co.uk [194.217.95.60]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id GAA25929; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 06:44:01 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 06:44:01 +0100 (BST) Received: from NIKOLE [209.60.248.101] (HELO jj3dw3.q3q3665f.com) by ns0.umbra.co.uk (AltaVista Mail V2.0/2.0 BL23 listener) id 0000_002b_3528_6a87_3cb3; Mon, 06 Apr 1998 06:39:19 +0100 From: 1hh6d44 <1446d44@msn.com> To: <brihan@zeus.odyssey.net> Received: from SMTP.XServer (Smail4.1.19.1 #20) id m0wBzN7-009vdR; Thursday, April 9th, 1998 Received: from mail.apache.net(really [164/187]) by relay.comanche.com Tuesday, April 7th, 1998 Received: from 32776.21445(really [80110/80111]) by relay.denmark.nl Sunday, April 5th, 1998 Received: from local.nethost.org(really [24553/24554]) by relay.SS621.net Saturday, April 4th, 1998 Message-Id: <19943672.886214@relay.comanche.denmark.eu> Friday, April 10th, 1998 Reply-To: 1446d44@msn.com Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Authenticated sender is <1446d44@msn.com> Subject: Aril Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit EMAIL MARKETING WORKS!! 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From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Apr 6 08:30:53 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id HAA28151 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 07:47:17 +0100 (BST) Received: from gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (ralf@gem [137.205.227.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA28131 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 07:47:03 +0100 (BST) Received: (from ralf@localhost) by gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA10005 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 07:47:02 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 07:47:02 +0100 (BST) From: Ranulf Doswell <ralf@dcs.warwick.ac.uk> Message-Id: <199804060647.HAA10005@gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: BFDF Events Reminder Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk British Flying Disc Federation Disc Events Diary ------------------------------------------------ The events list can also be found at http://www.dcs.warwick.ac.uk/~ralf/bfdf/ ---------- Saturday 18th April 1998 Tour II (2 days) @ Swindon [Outdoor Ultimate] Cost: GBP 80.00 per team (plus tax/deposit sent seperately to BUF) URL: http://www.phidelta.demon.co.uk/u8-98/tour2/ Cheque payable to LAYOUT DREAMS, mailed to 17 Burnham Drive, Reigate, Surrey RH2 9HD TD Layout Dreams Email tour2@phidelta.demon.co.uk URL http://www.phidelta.demon.co.uk/ Saturday 25th April 1998 Warwick Indoors (2 days) [Indoor Ultimate] Contact Jim Ayrton Email stuly@csv.warwick.ac.uk URL http://www.csv.warwick.ac.uk/~suaaz/ Saturday 2nd May 1998 GB Training (Open and Women) (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Scottish Open, Isle of Mull [Golf] Student Outdoors (2 days) @ Leicester [Students' Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Simon Weeks Email gga95sew@sheffield.ac.uk Phone 0114 222 9999 ext 52252 Saturday 9th May 1998 Tour III (2 days) @ Birmingham [Outdoor Ultimate] TD Charlie Mead Email charles.mead@easynet.co.uk Thursday 21st May 1998 Rotterdam (4 days) [Outdoor Ultimate Abroad] Saturday 23rd May 1998 Mad Kows KowPat '98 (2 days) @ Open University, Kilton Keynes [Outdoor Ultimate] URL: http://www.mk.dmu.ac.uk/~mstacey/Ultimate/kowpat.htm Space for 16 teams, camping available. Contact Laurie Ritchie Email l.j.ritchie@cranfield.ac.uk URL http://www-cs.open.ac.uk/~martin/pages/Mad_Kows.html Saturday 30th May 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) TBC @ Hayling Island, Southampton [Golf] WizOpen '98 (3 days) @ Geneva [Outdoor Ultimate Abroad] URL: http://www.wizards.ch/WizOpen.htm Contact Yves Maumary Email speedy@wizards.ch Saturday 6th June 1998 Fiesta (2 days) TBC [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 13th June 1998 GB Training (Open and Women) (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Quarry Park, Warwickshire [Golf] Saturday 20th June 1998 Tour IV (2 days) @ Southampton [Outdoor Ultimate] TD Tim Woolford Email tww93si@soton.ac.uk Saturday 4th July 1998 GB Training (Open and Women) (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 11th July 1998 Tour V (2 days) @ Double Locks, Exeter [Outdoor Ultimate] TD Kevin Lowe Email kevinl@curved-logic.com Saturday 18th July 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Whitcombe, Dorset [Golf] Saturday 25th July 1998 GB Training (Open and Women) (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 1st August 1998 Ross-On-Wye (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 8th August 1998 GB Training (Open and Women) (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Friday 14th August 1998 Worlds (10 days) [Outdoor Ultimate Abroad] Saturday 15th August 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Essex University [Golf] Saturday 29th August 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) TBC @ Perth or Edinburgh [Golf] Friday 11th September 1998 BUF Open (3 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 19th September 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Burnlaw, Horthumberland [Golf] Saturday 26th September 1998 Nationals 98 (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 24th October 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Whitcombe, Dorset [Golf Handicap] ---------------------------------------------------------- British Flying Disc Federation Disc Events Diary http://www.dcs.warwick.ac.uk/~ralf/bfdf/ Ranulf Doswell, ralf@dcs.warwick.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Apr 6 19:06:56 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id SAA15082 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 18:10:20 +0100 (BST) Received: from spock.tinet.ie (spock.tinet.ie [159.134.237.8]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA14967 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 18:09:27 +0100 (BST) Received: from sepro.ie (p57-as1.dubexs.tinet.ie [159.134.224.57]) by spock.tinet.ie (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA23640; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 18:09:19 +0100 (BST) Received: by Sepro_peterb with Microsoft Mail id <01BD6185.D8AAD1A0@Sepro_peterb>; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 18:00:12 +0100 Message-ID: <01BD6185.D8AAD1A0@Sepro_peterb> From: Peter Bennison <pbennison@sepro.ie> To: "Britdisc (E-mail)" <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>, "EuroDisc (E-mail)" <EuroDisc@ira.uka.de> Subject: Dublin Tournament report Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 18:00:11 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id SAA15029 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk The third annual Dublin Ultimate tournament took place this past weekend. Despite the biblical amount of rain on the Friday night, and rather muddy pitches on Saturday, this tournament was easily the best Ultimate Ireland has ever seen. We had a record 15 teams make the journey 'across the water' to Dublin. The early games on Saturday were a bit ragged, as the pitch quality deteriorated. At least one party piece involved a mass team mud slide. However, since the rain held off, the pitch condition seemed to stabilize. At the end of Saturday, First Touch seemed to be cruising in on a repeat of their victory last year, conceding less than 5 points in their first four matches. The party at Keatings on Saturday night was packed with the sounds of Samba, and many a pint o' Guinness being drunk. I don't remember too much from it, but it seemed to me that most people had a good time. Sunday morning's first matches again were a bit ragged, not only due to the 'black stuff' underfoot but also the 'black stuff' consumed the night before. The semi final between the Pookas and Shooting Sorcerers was quite a learning experience, from the Pookas perspective. The crisp play by SS was more than the Irish hosts could handle. Still, the Pookas managed respectful 5 points against the Sorcerers' 14.The other semi between First Touch and Janitors was a more balanced affair, with the final score of 11 - 8 not quite reflecting the closeness of the game right up to cap. The final between Janitors and Sorcerers was a compelling clash of teams and styles, with the precision and pin point passing of the Sorcerers contrasting with the go ho, huck-fest of the Janitors. It made for an exciting final, with layouts galore, and excellent end zone bids. In the end, the Sorcerers prevailed, with a 14 - 10 victory. Thanks again to all who took the time and expense to make it over. It was the first tournament for many players on the UCD squad and it gave them a real flavour of the highs and lows of the game. In particular, their games against the Lurkers, First Touch and the Bears gave them the greatest opportunities to learn both the technical and SOTG sides of the game. All in all, this tournament gave Ultimate in Ireland a real boost. Thanks also to the Pookas who billeted cash strapped teams for the weekend, especially Sally, Brid, Simon and Keith. The results: 1 Sorcerers (Spirit) 2 Janitors 3 Pookas 4 First Touch 5 Smashing Rabbits 6 BAF 7 Night Fever 8 Whiplash 9 Mud Culture 10 University College Dublin 11 Lurkers/Pickup 12 Resevoir Fish 13 Picnic in the Sky 14 Jedi 15 PDQ Peter Pookas - Dublin Ultimate mailto:pbennison@sepro.ie From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Apr 7 16:20:47 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id PAA18060 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 15:06:16 +0100 (BST) Received: from pp.dundee.ac.uk (pp.dundee.ac.uk [134.36.2.60]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA17961 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 15:05:33 +0100 (BST) Received: from dux.dundee.ac.uk by pp.dundee.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Tue, 7 Apr 1998 15:08:35 +0100 Received: from 134.36.142.46 by dux.dundee.ac.uk (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4-S2000) id PAA28029; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 15:05:21 +0100 Message-ID: <352A32D8.5D5F@dundee.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 14:06:16 +0000 From: Jester <j.m.wilson@dundee.ac.uk> Reply-To: j.m.wilson@dundee.ac.uk Organization: DOJ X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Indoor Tour Events? References: Conversation <BBFFB948F0@yorktown.mmu.ac.uk> with last message <BBFFB948F0@yorktown.mmu.ac.uk> <MAPI.Id.0016.0061726b2e4a6a204238394630303145@MAPI.to.RFC822> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi all Remember this a week ago? >Lawrence wrote: >that in light of the sometimes appalling weather conditions >towards the beginning and end of the outdoor season, maybe we should >consider holding the first Tour event as an INDOOR tournament- thus >also making the tour champions the UNDISPUTED champions of British >Ultimate. >I've thought long and hard about these changes, and general views and >comments would be much appreciated. Lawrence, Lawrence, Lawrence. ARE YOU SERIOUS?! You are asking Ultimate teams to play in two different versions of the same game to prove they are the best. By your rational (and assuming the Brazilian football sqaud will win the World Cup) Ronaldo, Romario and Co. would then have to beat all the other World Cup qualified nations in a Five a Side indoor tourney with smaller goals, a wooden floor, a smaller pitch in a shorter game. I'm sorry, but indoor Ultimate is a different game from outdoor. Don't get me wrong, I really enjoy indoor tournaments and great skill is always demonstrated, but take away the protection of the walls and roof and let the weather have a go and a team really has to dig deap to perform well. The Dublin Tourney last weekend was a prime example, driving wind and sometimes rain forced a short game and the mud underfoot took away some pace. I believe what demonstrates true skill is a team that is not only good enough to out play its opposition, but to overcome the weather too. All the bester Jester Shooting Star* and Sorcerer NO SOUP FOR YOU! From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Apr 7 16:21:17 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id PAA18038 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 15:06:05 +0100 (BST) Received: from pp.dundee.ac.uk (pp.dundee.ac.uk [134.36.2.60]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA17931 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 15:05:16 +0100 (BST) Received: from dux.dundee.ac.uk by pp.dundee.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Tue, 7 Apr 1998 15:08:14 +0100 Received: from 134.36.142.46 by dux.dundee.ac.uk (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4-S2000) id PAA28012; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 15:04:59 +0100 Message-ID: <352A32C2.3BF0@dundee.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 14:05:54 +0000 From: Jester <j.m.wilson@dundee.ac.uk> Reply-To: j.m.wilson@dundee.ac.uk Organization: DOJ X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Shooting Sorcerer Shirts Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi All To those of you who were at the Dublin Tourney and wanted to purchase one of the one off Shooting Sorcerer Shirts (sorry I ran out), if enough people email me back saying how many shirts they would like to make it worthwhile, I'll do another run. As my work load means it's unlikely I'll get to another tourney this academic year I'll do them by post. The price will be 6GPB each which includes p&p. Please include your full postal address, the name I will regocnise you by and what team you play for in your email. Sorry to waste everyone elses time. All the bester Jester Shooting Star* and Sorcerer NO SOUP FOR YOU! ps Thanks again to Simon & Jo for the accomodation and to everyone for a great tourney. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Apr 7 17:21:26 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id QAA00602 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 16:28:55 +0100 (BST) Received: from curlew.cs.man.ac.uk (curlew.cs.man.ac.uk [130.88.13.7]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA00541 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 16:28:40 +0100 (BST) Received: from ccg.acu.man.ac.uk [130.88.17.200] by curlew.cs.man.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.81 #4) id 0yMaIh-0006TP-00; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 16:28:40 +0100 Received: from ccMail by ccg.acu.man.ac.uk (ccMail Link to SMTP R6.00.02) id AA891962912; Tue, 07 Apr 98 16:28:35 GMT Message-Id: <9804078919.AA891962912@ccg.acu.man.ac.uk> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R6.00.02 Date: Tue, 07 Apr 98 16:28:25 GMT From: "Rob Mitchell"<admrwm@ccg.acu.man.ac.uk> To: <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Indoor Tour Events? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Thanks Jester, I knew it would simply be a matter of time before someone cracked and made a reasoned and serious reply to Lawrence's mail. Congratulations and heartfelt thanks, youare a prince among men and have made my miserable day. Now check the date on the original mail. love rob chevron action flash ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Indoor Tour Events? Author: <j.m.wilson@dundee.ac.uk> at smtpgate Date: 07/04/98 14:06 Hi all Remember this a week ago? >Lawrence wrote: >that in light of the sometimes appalling weather conditions >towards the beginning and end of the outdoor season, maybe we should >consider holding the first Tour event as an INDOOR tournament- thus >also making the tour champions the UNDISPUTED champions of British >Ultimate. >I've thought long and hard about these changes, and general views and >comments would be much appreciated. Lawrence, Lawrence, Lawrence. ARE YOU SERIOUS?! You are asking Ultimate teams to play in two different versions of the same game to prove they are the best. By your rational (and assuming the Brazilian football sqaud will win the World Cup) Ronaldo, Romario and Co. would then have to beat all the other World Cup qualified nations in a Five a Side indoor tourney with smaller goals, a wooden floor, a smaller pitch in a shorter game. I'm sorry, but indoor Ultimate is a different game from outdoor. Don't get me wrong, I really enjoy indoor tournaments and great skill is always demonstrated, but take away the protection of the walls and roof and let the weather have a go and a team really has to dig deap to perform well. The Dublin Tourney last weekend was a prime example, driving wind and sometimes rain forced a short game and the mud underfoot took away some pace. I believe what demonstrates true skill is a team that is not only good enough to out play its opposition, but to overcome the weather too. All the bester Jester Shooting Star* and Sorcerer NO SOUP FOR YOU! From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Apr 7 18:20:23 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id RAA10870 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 17:32:59 +0100 (BST) Received: from pp.dundee.ac.uk (pp.dundee.ac.uk [134.36.2.60]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA10826 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 17:32:40 +0100 (BST) Received: from dux.dundee.ac.uk by pp.dundee.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Tue, 7 Apr 1998 17:35:29 +0100 Received: from 134.36.142.53 by dux.dundee.ac.uk (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4-S2000) id RAA06639; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 17:32:15 +0100 Message-ID: <352A632F.70FE@dundee.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 17:32:32 +0000 From: Jester <j.m.wilson@dundee.ac.uk> Reply-To: j.m.wilson@dundee.ac.uk Organization: Duncan of Jordanstone X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-AICK1-2 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lpaulson@postmaster.co.uk CC: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Indoor Tour, you got me References: <BBFFB948F0@yorktown.mmu.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Thanks to all (including Lawrence) for pointing out his message was dated 1st April, and for not saying anything on BritDisc about me being an arse for falling for it hook, line, sinker and copy of Angling Times. It's a poor clown who can't laugh at himself so har har at me! ;-) All the bester Jester NO SOUP FOR YOU From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Apr 7 20:50:09 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id TAA23943 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 19:57:56 +0100 (BST) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA23925 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 19:57:28 +0100 (BST) Received: from (phidelta.demon.co.uk) [158.152.248.177] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yMdXj-0004E6-00; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 19:56:27 +0100 Message-ID: <I8MrTBAFXnK1Ewup@phidelta.demon.co.uk> Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 19:51:49 +0100 To: BritDisc <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>, Merrick Cardew <merrick.cardew@g4tech.co.uk> From: Tour II TD <tour2@phidelta.demon.co.uk> Subject: Tour II Info in the post MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Trial Version 3.04 <pjZRgFWDsQK5ViyP$l4rxVrb6a> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk 8.45am Wednesday, 1st class - should be with you on Thursday or Tuesday. Much of the information can be found on the tournament website. It's particularly important that you book rooms (if you want them) BEFORE 2pm FRIDAY 17 March Camping is possible (and free) Bearing in mind that there are 32 teams, playing on 16 pitches, EVERYBODY SHOULD BE THERE FOR 9.00am ! You'll ALL be playing FIRST GAME!!! Wayne Here's a list of who to hassle for directions, etc: Bliss - Claire O'Sullivan Blue Arse Flies - Merrick Cardew Catch 22 - Simon Hill Chaos - Fiona Sawers Chevron Action Flash - Kenny Fingers 6 - Ben Mitchell First Touch - David Whitehead Fluid Druids - Neil Travers GB Juniors - Patrick Winser Headrush - Andrew Orr-Ewing Jedi Children - John Chewins K-Niggets - Colin Smith Mad Kows - Sara Pierson Mild Mannered Janitors - Arun Sharma NightFever - Nick Dray Picnic In The Sky - Susi Bassam Red I - Leicester Ultimate Club PO Box Red II - Leicester Ultimate Club PO Box RedShift - Andy Kayley Shotgun - Aram Flores Skunks - Tim Woolford SlipDisc - Niall Goggin Sneeekys - James Spicer Strange Blue - Dora Kemp Twin Peaks - Sue Underwood Uriel - Sue Farley UTI - Mark Perryman Village People - Mark 'Dodgy' Smith Violently Happy - Andy Hoad Whiplash - Mark Jefferson Sharks - George Aslett Mud Culture - Lucy Smallwood -- Tour II TD tour2@phidelta.demon.co.uk http://www.phidelta.demon.co.uk/u8-98/tour2/ Layout Dreams From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Apr 7 22:51:10 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id VAA03027 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 21:57:58 +0100 (BST) Received: from mail.compulink.co.uk (mail.compulink.co.uk [194.153.0.20]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA03015 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 21:57:45 +0100 (BST) Received: (from root@localhost) by mail.compulink.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.6) id VAA07937 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 21:57:11 +0100 (BST) X-Envelope-From: lholden@cix.compulink.co.uk Date: Tue, 7 Apr 98 21:56 BST-1 From: lholden@cix.compulink.co.uk (Louise Holden) Subject: BUF Subs & Lurkers Contact To: disc@foobar.co.uk Cc: lholden@cix.compulink.co.uk, britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk, SimonChurch@sdc1.demon.co.uk Reply-To: lholden@cix.compulink.co.uk Message-Id: <memo.73620@cix.compulink.co.uk> X-Mail-Software: Ameol2 X-URL: http //www.ameol.com Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk To Britdisc, BUF Sec., BUF Treasurer I would like it noted that I am no longer the contact for the Lurkers. I did send out emails to that effect some time ago but as I have recently received the BUF subs demand for the team I guess the information has not reached all the relevant people. My understanding is that the current contact is Daniel Sheridan but as I am not certain I will refrain from giving his home address out. All email correspondence for the club should be directed to Steve Bridle: cepheid@cepheid.demon.co.uk I have forwarded the request for subs to Danny who should be able to pass it on if he is not directly responsible. Thank you for your bandwidth, Paul Holden Slipdisc (ex Lurkers, ex SLUT) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Apr 8 10:16:28 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id JAA11673 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:27:26 +0100 (BST) Received: from freebsd.webleicester.co.uk (ns2.webleicester.co.uk [195.146.160.3]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA11598 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:26:55 +0100 (BST) Received: from scott (dhcp-05.webleicester.co.uk [195.146.160.145]) by freebsd.webleicester.co.uk (8.8.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id JAA11983 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:29:01 +0100 (BST) Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:30:16 +0100 Message-ID: <01BD62D0.F0A27460.scott@webleicester.co.uk> From: Ian Scotland <scott@webleicester.co.uk> Reply-To: "scott@webleicester.co.uk" <scott@webleicester.co.uk> To: "britdisc (E-mail)" <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Lost Property Leicester Tour I Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:30:14 +0100 Organization: WEBLEICESTER X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk The following items were picked up/handed in at Leicester Tour I. They will be brought to Swindon and if unclaimed given to Wayne to pass on to charity (or whatever it was he planned to do with his own ever increasing pile of lost property). If there are items here that are yours, but for some reason you won't be able to reclaim them at Swindon then let me know and I'll keep them aside.... here goes Jogging trousers - Puma - Navy - Large M&S Pullover - Navy Blue Mohawk Eurosport t-shirt - Large Black t-shirt with two small fish motif Black Sweatshirt - Granite USA - Large Green Longsleeve t-shirt "Catch the Spirit" Blue Fleece type hat Reebok turf boots (Size 9) Adidas trainers (Size 10) Adidas Cap Thinsulate gloves - charcoal colour Mad Kows Club Disc Sharks Disc Antze Ultimate Wear Disc Discontent Disc Smokey Mountain Disc That's the lot! Scott ----------------------------------------------------------- Ian Scotland At work scott@webleicester.co.uk OR scott@ultimateweb.co.uk On the Web http://www.webleicester.co.uk/ http://www.ultimateweb.co.uk/ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Apr 8 15:52:54 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id OAA07132 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 14:59:48 +0100 (BST) Received: from exchangesmtp.spencerstuart.com (spencerstuart.com [206.183.83.99]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA07089 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 14:59:21 +0100 (BST) Received: by spencerstuart.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id <H2N5F3GY>; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 08:58:36 -0500 Message-ID: <A9131453DEF9D011A8570000F64A547183109F@LONMAIL> From: "Ziants, Wayne" <WZiants@spencerstuart.com> To: "'britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk'" <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Searching for Ultimate in London Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 08:21:06 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Greetings London-based Britdiscers Apologies if this is a repeat request on BD as I've only just re-subscribed, but... I'm out of shape and out of practice, and it shows. I need to play Ultimate, evenings or weekends, this season, preferably south of the river. I heard about Clapham Common through BD last year, but I wasn't around then - when does the Tuesday evening session kick off again? Is there anything going on in Hyde Park (kinda handy for me working at Marble Arch)? And are there any K-Niggets out there, and if so, when do you restart your practices after Easter? Please tell me what you know. (For what it's worth, despite my +2 years with Fingers 6/Night Fever, I'm not very good but I *do* run around a lot.) See you all in Swindon (probably playing Iron Man again cos those pesky student F6 team-mates want to pass their exams - selfish fools!) Cheers HF&S Wayne Fingers 6 in exile _______________________________________________________________ Tel (direct): 0171 298 3365 E-mail: wziants@spencerstuart.com Coffee: milk, 2 sugars & a spoon From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Apr 8 20:45:42 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id TAA12430 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 19:33:16 +0100 (BST) Received: from crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk (stuly@crocus-fddi [137.205.4.6]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA12405 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 19:33:05 +0100 (BST) Received: from localhost (stuly@localhost) by crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA20936 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 19:33:02 +0100 (BST) X-Authentication-Warning: crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk: stuly owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 19:33:02 +0100 (BST) From: James Ayrton <stuly@csv.warwick.ac.uk> X-Sender: stuly@crocus To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Warwick Indoors Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.980408191833.19571B-100000@crocus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi All! For those of you that read the Diary of events then you will know that Warwick indoors has been moved to 25th/26th April. We apologise for the strange time for this indoor event but we encountered problems with booking the sports hall. Due to the new date being in the outdoor season this has meant that a lot of the usual teams that attend this annual event cannot come. Because of this we are opening the event up for any team which wishes to attend. This should be good for any team which has had problems getting a full team together for the tour events. At this moment in time we have 6 places available. Places will be given on a first come first served bases with payment being the only way to guarantee a place. The details are as follows: Date: 25th / 26th April Venue: Warwick University, Coventry Cost: #65 per team (including taxes and a social, with Union bar prices!) Cheques payable to U.W.S.U. along with contact details to Jim Ayrton 25 Beanfield Avenue Green Lane Coventry CV3 6NZ If you have any question please email me at stuly@csv.warwick.ac.uk Cheers Jim From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Apr 10 02:17:15 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id AAA09470 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 00:28:53 +0100 (BST) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA09432 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 00:27:57 +0100 (BST) Received: from phidelta.demon.co.uk ([158.152.248.177]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa2010796; 9 Apr 98 23:21 GMT Message-ID: <BvYZXEATfUL1EwWj@phidelta.demon.co.uk> Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 23:12:35 +0100 To: BritDisc <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>, Merrick Cardew <merrick.cardew@g4tech.co.uk> From: Layout Dreams <LayoutDreams@phidelta.demon.co.uk> Subject: Lost Property MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Trial Version 3.04 <pjZRgFWDsQK5ViyP$l4rxVrb6a> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Following Scott's recent comments, here's MY steadily growing list of lost clobber, If you own it, drop me a line and claim it at Swindon (Tour II) or drop me a line so that I can arrange something else... If this stuff is left over at the end of Swindon, it'll get binned/charity shopped as you're obviously NOT missing it greatly! assembled from Tour III 1997; Outdoor Nationals 97; Druids' Newport Indoor Tournament; Midlands Indoor Regionals 98 and Indoor Nationals 98 (you could probably find out which by checking the BritDisc archives!) Discs: 'Happy Masochist takes the Hammer' UltraStar 'Summer League * Columbus Ultimate Disc League' UltraStar "Dave, Mud Culture"'s UltraStar! Hot Pink UltraStar - basic 'star' hotstamp Shoes/Boots: Size 12 UK, NIKE moulded stud football boots Size (?8?) UK, ASICS 6-stud football boots (with ProPlus tablets!) Size 9 UK, REEBOK running shoes, white and blue Shirts: Burtons, plain grey, Medium, T Donnay, black with logo, Medium, Sweat Blue Basics, black with logo, size 4 (?), Sweat General Grant Cotton Co, plain navy, Small, Polo River Island, navy and grey, Sweat "Elephant" logo, black, XL, longsleeved T "(a column of chef's heads?)", black, L, T "Sharks", blue, XL, longsleeved T "Skunks", grey, XL, longsleeved T "Warwick Bears" murdered teddies backprint, navy blue, XL, T Shorts: "Rutgers", black Jackets: "Pure Silk", plain black, L (very female) Trousers: Allders Leisurewear, plain black, L, Sweat Towels: White/Yellow pattern Braces: UMBRO, blue, wraparound knee-brace, quite large. Watches: CASIO "Databank/Worldtime" digtal/analogue Wesco "WALLACE and GROMMIT" analogue Glasses: POLAROID tortoiseshell framed sunglasses in a black plastic case ..and that appears to be about it! Wayne _____________________________________________________________________________ Chris Hughes layoutDREAMS Wayne Retter +44/0-1452-859210 LayoutDreams@phidelta.demon.co.uk +44/0-1737-242109 http://www.phidelta.demon.co.uk/layoutdreams/ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Apr 13 09:23:21 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id HAA04860 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 07:47:23 +0100 (BST) Received: from gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (ralf@gem [137.205.227.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA04847 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 07:47:02 +0100 (BST) Received: (from ralf@localhost) by gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA26793 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 07:47:01 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 07:47:01 +0100 (BST) From: Ranulf Doswell <ralf@dcs.warwick.ac.uk> Message-Id: <199804130647.HAA26793@gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: BFDF Events Reminder Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk British Flying Disc Federation Disc Events Diary ------------------------------------------------ The events list can also be found at http://www.dcs.warwick.ac.uk/~ralf/bfdf/ ---------- Saturday 18th April 1998 Tour II (2 days) @ Swindon [Outdoor Ultimate] Cost: GBP 80.00 per team (plus tax/deposit sent seperately to BUF) URL: http://www.phidelta.demon.co.uk/u8-98/tour2/ Cheque payable to LAYOUT DREAMS, mailed to 17 Burnham Drive, Reigate, Surrey RH2 9HD TD Layout Dreams Email tour2@phidelta.demon.co.uk URL http://www.phidelta.demon.co.uk/ Saturday 25th April 1998 Warwick Indoors (2 days) [Indoor Ultimate] Contact Jim Ayrton Email stuly@csv.warwick.ac.uk URL http://www.csv.warwick.ac.uk/~suaaz/ Saturday 2nd May 1998 GB Training (Open and Women) (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Scottish Open, Isle of Mull [Golf] Student Outdoors (2 days) @ Leicester [Students' Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Simon Weeks Email gga95sew@sheffield.ac.uk Phone 0114 222 9999 ext 52252 Saturday 9th May 1998 Tour III (2 days) @ Birmingham [Outdoor Ultimate] TD Charlie Mead Email charles.mead@easynet.co.uk Thursday 21st May 1998 Rotterdam (4 days) [Outdoor Ultimate Abroad] Saturday 23rd May 1998 Mad Kows KowPat '98 (2 days) @ Open University, Kilton Keynes [Outdoor Ultimate] URL: http://www.mk.dmu.ac.uk/~mstacey/Ultimate/kowpat.htm Space for 16 teams, camping available. Contact Laurie Ritchie Email l.j.ritchie@cranfield.ac.uk URL http://www-cs.open.ac.uk/~martin/pages/Mad_Kows.html Saturday 30th May 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) TBC @ Hayling Island, Southampton [Golf] WizOpen '98 (3 days) @ Geneva [Outdoor Ultimate Abroad] URL: http://www.wizards.ch/WizOpen.htm Contact Yves Maumary Email speedy@wizards.ch Saturday 6th June 1998 ??? (2 days) TBC @ Cambridge [Outdoor Ultimate] Open and Juniors Contact David MacKay Email mackay@mrao.cam.ac.uk Phone (01223) 339852 fax: 354599 home: 276411 URL http://wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk/mackay/ Fiesta (2 days) TBC [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 13th June 1998 GB Training (Open and Women) (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Quarry Park, Warwickshire [Golf] Saturday 20th June 1998 Tour IV (2 days) @ Southampton [Outdoor Ultimate] TD Tim Woolford Email tww93si@soton.ac.uk Saturday 27th June 1998 Junior Outdoors (2 days) @ Adam's Grammar School, Newport, Shropshire [Junior Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Rowena Gill Email maths.adamsg@mail.adamsg.rmplc.co.uk Saturday 4th July 1998 GB Training (Open and Women) (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 11th July 1998 Tour V (2 days) @ Double Locks, Exeter [Outdoor Ultimate] TD Kevin Lowe Email kevinl@curved-logic.com Saturday 18th July 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Whitcombe, Dorset [Golf] Saturday 25th July 1998 GB Training (Open and Women) (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 1st August 1998 Ross-On-Wye (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 8th August 1998 GB Training (Open and Women) (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Friday 14th August 1998 Worlds (10 days) [Outdoor Ultimate Abroad] Saturday 15th August 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Essex University [Golf] Saturday 29th August 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) TBC @ Perth or Edinburgh [Golf] Friday 11th September 1998 BUF Open (3 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 19th September 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Burnlaw, Horthumberland [Golf] Saturday 26th September 1998 Nationals 98 (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 24th October 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Whitcombe, Dorset [Golf Handicap] ---------------------------------------------------------- British Flying Disc Federation Disc Events Diary http://www.dcs.warwick.ac.uk/~ralf/bfdf/ Ranulf Doswell, ralf@dcs.warwick.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Apr 14 14:48:23 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id NAA11467 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 13:14:52 +0100 (BST) Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com (imo11.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.33]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA11423 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 13:14:24 +0100 (BST) Received: from AWorman290@aol.com by imo11.mx.aol.com (IMOv13.ems) id LEYYa02732 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 08:13:43 -0500 (EDT) From: AWorman290 <AWorman290@aol.com> Message-ID: <b1092994.353352fa@aol.com> Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 08:13:43 EDT To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Rimini Results... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0.i for Windows sub 164 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi Britdisc.. Just a quick note to let you know the results of GB teams in Rimini this weekend.. UTI 10th place, OW! 32nd, Strange Blue 40th, Village People 42nd, Mohawks 44th, Mwunci See 46th, and Superfly 47th.. And Bliss........WORLD BEACH ULTIMATE CHAMPIONS, in the womens division..!!!!! Storming weekend...we beat every team in our path including Eyelash Vipers from the states, Mir San Mir (last years champions), a team from Finland, and faced Shoot from the Hip in the final- a great bunch of girls from Germany. Congratulations to everyone who played...it was a truly excellent and memorable tournament...teams representing three continents, from as far as New Zealand, America, Sweden, Poland.....etc. Lot's of hard running in the sand, drinking beer, winning the party, and an interesting 'stark bollock naked' ultimate game involving around 50 players...(socks or no socks???) Tournaments reports from people who aren't as tired as I am?! Diana From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Apr 14 14:49:52 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id NAA10455 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 13:04:05 +0100 (BST) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA10346 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 13:03:02 +0100 (BST) Received: from ultimatum.demon.co.uk ([158.152.203.174]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa1021247; 14 Apr 98 11:51 GMT Subject: Paganello - just back Date: Tue, 14 Apr 98 12:59:23 +0100 x-sender: ultimatum@pop3.demon.co.uk x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: Paul Hurt <paul@ultimatum.demon.co.uk> To: BritDisc <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>, Gian Pietro Miscione <giampi@gandalf.ciam.unibo.it>, EuroDisc <EuroDisc@ira.uka.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Message-ID: <892554717.1021247.0@ultimatum.demon.co.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi all Just got in the door. I see no one else has piped up yet. So just want to say... WAY TO GO, BLISS!!!!! World Beach Ultimate Champions (Women's division) 1998. Didn't lose a game, and basically creamed the opposition start to finish. Great playing in unbelievably difficult conditions in the final. SWIM !!! Full Moon Ultimate Game - I arrived just too late to get my socks on (or off). If I hadn't had the Finnish women's team in tow (!) I'd have been there earlier. So thanks to Hannah for flying the flag (in a manner of speaking) for Village - the game *was* partly our idea after all, and we wouldn't have been able to show our faces the next day if none of us had made it. Thanks everyone for an incredible week. I have to sleep for a couple of hours now before I collapse on the spot. Paul on behalf of Village People - SMACK MY BEACH UP!!! --------------------------------------------------- Paul Hurt, Village People Ultimate Team paul@ultimatum.demon.co.uk Tel: 0181 767 8243 Mobile: 0370 918719 From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Apr 14 15:38:52 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id OAA20617 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 14:51:47 +0100 (BST) Received: from smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk (smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk [193.114.232.134]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA20518 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 14:51:03 +0100 (BST) From: Phil_Grigson@watsonwyatt.co.uk Received: from ccMail by smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk (IMA Internet Exchange 2.12 Enterprise) id 00034F72; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 14:50:48 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 14:48:37 +0100 Message-ID: <00034F72.4069@watsonwyatt.co.uk> Subject: Pickup for Tour II To: BritDisc <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk K-Niggets are a bit short on players this weekend, so if anybody wants to fill our guest spot they're welcome to do so. To give you an idea of where we stand in the scheme of things, we came 24th in Tour I. If you're interested contact either the K-Niggets captain, Colin Smith, or myself, asap. Contact info follows. Colin Smith k967338@kingston.ac.uk Pager: 04325 376966 Phil Grigson phil_grigson@watsonwyatt.co.uk Work: 01737 274317 Home: 01372 372753 ________________________________________________________________ Notice of Confidentiality This transmission is intended for the named addressee only. It contains information which may be confidential and which may also be privileged. Unless you are the named addressee (or authorised to receive it for the addressee) you may not copy or use it, or disclose it to anyone else. If you have received this transmission in error please contact: ~admin@watsonwyatt.co.uk or IT Manager: +44(0)1737 241144 Fax: +44(0)1737 241496 Watson Wyatt Partners is regulated by the Institute of Actuaries in the conduct of UK investment business. _________________________________________________________________ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Apr 14 17:37:13 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id RAA07381 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 17:23:43 +0100 (BST) Received: from ntsmail2.bdo.co.uk (ntsmail2.bdo.co.uk [194.128.171.129] (may be forged)) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA07367 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 17:23:34 +0100 (BST) From: Philipp_Prince@bdo.co.uk Received: by ntsmail2.bdo.co.uk(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.1 (385.6 5-6-1997)) id 802565E6.005A3B27 ; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 17:25:33 +0100 X-Lotus-FromDomain: BDOUKMAIL To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Message-ID: <802565E6.0059FC1D.00@ntsmail2.bdo.co.uk> Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 17:25:15 +0100 Subject: Traffic cones Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Or rather the baby ones. Does anyone know where they can be bought, pinched or otherwise procured? Any ideas that I could try before Thursday would be grately appreciated - even after Thursday would still be useful. Thanks in advance. Philipp Prince Albatross Ultimate Work: 0171 893 2829 Mobile: 0966 414 761 From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Apr 14 20:18:06 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id UAA21754 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 20:01:56 +0100 (BST) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA21742 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 20:01:48 +0100 (BST) Received: from dreamer.demon.co.uk ([158.152.82.103]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa2021611; 14 Apr 98 19:00 GMT Message-ID: <uSR$bDAaL6M1EwIX@dreamer.demon.co.uk> Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 18:54:34 +0100 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: Neil Travers <neil@dreamer.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: Traffic cones In-Reply-To: <802565E6.0059FC1D.00@ntsmail2.bdo.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (32) Version 3.05 <jbe7yNyDkBe7d8yWsrW3NsboXF> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk In article <802565E6.0059FC1D.00@ntsmail2.bdo.co.uk>, Philipp_Prince@bdo.co.uk writes >Or rather the baby ones. Does anyone know where they can be bought, >pinched or otherwise procured? If you mean the small bright orange ones that are often used to mark out pitches. I got mine from Tesco a couple of years ago, there were in the toy section. They were very cheap at the time, but I noticed they vanished a few weeks later. I haven't noticed them since then. I would try looking in the large toy stores. -- Neil Travers From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Apr 14 21:07:12 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id UAA25070 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 20:46:33 +0100 (BST) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA25055 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 20:46:28 +0100 (BST) Received: from (phidelta.demon.co.uk) [158.152.248.177] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yPBf1-0000nQ-00; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 20:46:27 +0100 Message-ID: <U+xXHPALp7M1EwcH@phidelta.demon.co.uk> Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 20:34:35 +0100 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: Wayne Retter <wayne@phidelta.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: Traffic cones In-Reply-To: <uSR$bDAaL6M1EwIX@dreamer.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Trial Version 3.04 <pjZRgFWDsQK5ViyP$l4rxVrb6a> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Wayne Retter's contribution: For the little 'pitch-marker' style ones, try Sainsbury's Homebase - my local had sets of 4 for 4.99 just 2 weeks ago (just not many sets!) Neil Travers replied: If you mean the small bright orange ones that are often used to mark out pitches. I got mine from Tesco a couple of years ago, there were in the toy section. They were very cheap at the time, but I noticed they vanished a few weeks later. I haven't noticed them since then. I would try looking in the large toy stores. Philipp_Prince@bdo.co.uk started: Or rather the baby ones. Does anyone know where they can be bought, pinched or otherwise procured? -------------------------- Wayne Retter Wayne@phidelta.demon.co.uk http://www.phidelta.demon.co.uk/ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Apr 15 13:08:30 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id LAA05058 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 11:54:36 +0100 (BST) Received: from exchpk01.chelt.ac.uk (exchpk01.chelt.ac.uk [194.66.194.228]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA04951 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 11:53:37 +0100 (BST) Received: by exchpk01.chelt.ac.uk with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD6864.FA2AF720@exchpk01.chelt.ac.uk>; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 11:52:33 +0100 Message-ID: <c=GB%a=_%p=CHELT%l=EXCHPK01-980415105233Z-137@exchpk01.chelt.ac.uk> From: "HUGHES, Chris" <CHughes@chelt.ac.uk> To: "'Britdisc'" <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Lost Property Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 11:52:33 +0100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Just a reminder to all those TD's over the years that have collected lost property over the years to bring it along to Swindon this weekend and I will take it off your hands. To those people who have lost stuff at tourney's, this is your last chance to collect it after this were taking it to a charity shop. Note: property lost at Swindon this weekend will not be disposed of (yet!) Chris From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Apr 15 13:09:01 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id MAA07221 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 12:14:53 +0100 (BST) Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@thistle [137.205.128.4]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA06677 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 12:09:30 +0100 (BST) Received: from exchpk01.chelt.ac.uk (exchpk01.chelt.ac.uk [194.66.194.228]) by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA21646 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 12:09:16 +0100 (BST) Received: by exchpk01.chelt.ac.uk with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD6866.8B6077F0@exchpk01.chelt.ac.uk>; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 12:03:47 +0100 Message-ID: <c=GB%a=_%p=CHELT%l=EXCHPK01-980415110345Z-145@exchpk01.chelt.ac.uk> From: "HUGHES, Chris" <CHughes@chelt.ac.uk> To: "'Britdisc'" <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>, "'Aaron'" <a.altman@cranfield.ac.uk>, "'AC (h)'" <andrew@druidville.demon.co.uk>, "'Adam'" <adam.batchelor@virgin.net>, "'Andy Standring'" <andrew_standring@cowley-07.ccmail.compuserve.com>, "'Ian Bell (w)'" <ianb@ifs.co.uk> To: "'Ian Stebbing (w)'" <Ian_Stebbing@gb.coopers.com>, "'Jamie'" <neilhelmer@compuserve.com>, "'Karl'" <karl.mann@tnagb.co.uk>, "'Neil (w)'" <neil@texcel.no>, "'Patch (w)'" <Patrick.Winser@merchants.co.uk>, "'Paul Meaney'" <paul.meaney@molecular-medicine.oxford.ac.uk> To: "'Richie'" <OAPL@aol.com>, "'Wayne Retter (h)'" <druid@phidelta.demon.co.uk>, "'Wayne Retter (w)'" <Wayne_Retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk> Subject: Pictures Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 12:03:45 +0100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Any one wanting copies of the pictures on the poster for nationals let me know and I'll post you a copy. Some of the files are quite big. 1 - 4 are from Indoors at Manchester, 5 is from Indoors at Edinburgh 1. Patch, Ian and Rik skying (?) for a disc (2MB) 2. 2 Bears congratulating each other (2MB) 3. Bear, being forced by Patch, looking for the line pass (2MB) 4. Chris (me!!!) launching a backhand (2MB) 5. Simon Barry (Angels) being forced line by a Picnic? Player (monstrous 31MB A3 scan) Please don't ask for the 5th file unless your system can cope with it. I don't want that as bounced mail. Chris From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Apr 15 13:11:07 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id MAA10240 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 12:47:41 +0100 (BST) Received: from smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk (smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk [193.114.232.134]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA10172 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 12:47:04 +0100 (BST) From: Wayne_Retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk Received: from ccMail by smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk (IMA Internet Exchange 2.12 Enterprise) id 0003533D; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 12:47:10 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 12:45:04 +0100 Message-ID: <0003533D.4069@watsonwyatt.co.uk> Subject: Chaos need players To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk For the attention of any non-rostered players, or rostered players with teams that aren't entered for Swindon If you'd like to play, Chaos need you! Wayne ______________________________ Forward Header __________________________________ Author: ES063@mdx.ac.uk at ~Internet Date: 15/04/98 11:57 wayne, sorry as if you haven't got enough to deal with... Anyway we can't write to Britdisc from our uni, or so it seems, we can only recieve. Any chance of you putting out on britdisc that we need some pick-ups, and to contact me directly on 0181 449 8109 or es063@mdx.ac.uk, if you can't don't worry. cheers Fiona, Chaos! ________________________________________________________________ Notice of Confidentiality This transmission is intended for the named addressee only. It contains information which may be confidential and which may also be privileged. Unless you are the named addressee (or authorised to receive it for the addressee) you may not copy or use it, or disclose it to anyone else. If you have received this transmission in error please contact: ~admin@watsonwyatt.co.uk or IT Manager: +44(0)1737 241144 Fax: +44(0)1737 241496 Watson Wyatt Partners is regulated by the Institute of Actuaries in the conduct of UK investment business. _________________________________________________________________ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Apr 15 22:33:43 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id WAA03718 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 22:18:23 +0100 (BST) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA03710 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 22:18:19 +0100 (BST) Received: from phidelta.demon.co.uk ([158.152.248.177]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa2019156; 15 Apr 98 21:13 GMT Message-ID: <f55+CEAOBSN1EwFI@phidelta.demon.co.uk> Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 22:02:06 +0100 To: BritDisc <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>, Merrick Cardew <merrick.cardew@g4tech.co.uk> From: wayne_retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk MMDF-Warning: Parse error in original version of preceding line at post.mail.demon.net Subject: Tour II - Latest In-Reply-To: <01BD68A1.61CEAD40@dns0.curved-logic.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Trial Version 3.04 <pjZRgFWDsQK5ViyP$l4rxVrb6a> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk SATURDAY: Captain's meeting: 9.00 am Games start: 9.30 am EVERYBODY PLAYS FIRST GAME I'll put something on the website to this effect. FORMAT: The 9-32 pools have changed slightly, Chris and I have had a rethink over what's happening... This won't make a huge difference to most of you, as the seedings have NOT yet been published.... SEEDINGS: 1-8 as per the results of Leicester. I hope to publish the rest (by email to BritDisc) before the weekend - they'll be similar to the Leicester results, with the removal of a few teams, and the insertion of a few new teams. WEATHER: Looks pretty grim at the moment, bring lots of warm gear! CAMPSITE: Ditto the above. Allied Dunbar have rooms for hire for Saturday night, but you need to book them BEFORE 2.00pm FRIDAY by 'phoning 01793-791000. Team Contacts have a comprehensive list of B+B's for the area. Wayne Retter Kevin Lowe <kevinl@curved-logic.com>, Wed, 15 Apr 1998, 19:04:56: >Well, I've ploughed through the entire web site, and nowhere do you >state when the captain's meeting is, or when the first game on either >day is due to start. > >Any ideas? -- Tour II TD tour2@phidelta.demon.co.uk http://www.phidelta.demon.co.uk/u8-98/tour2/ Layout Dreams From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Apr 16 12:35:07 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id MAA03756 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 12:16:57 +0100 (BST) Received: from worldsy.com (worldsy3.netkonect.co.uk [194.164.43.178]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA03690 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 12:16:24 +0100 (BST) Received: from worldsy.com by worldsy.com (NTMail 3.02.11) with ESMTP id za008657 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 12:18:00 +0100 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980416121603.006caf34@10.0.0.2> X-Sender: DAMIANM@10.0.0.2 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 12:16:03 +0100 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: Damian Mudge <damianm@worldsy.com> Subject: Tour II Report Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hello All. Just to remind everyone that I've volunteered to put together the tournament report for Tour II. Since I can't be everywhere at once, contributions will be gratefully recieved from anyone with anything to say about the tournament. I aim to have the report finished by Tuesday evening so please send emails to arrive by Tuesday morning at the latest. Thanks, Damo Damian Mudge World Systems Ltd +44 (0)1962 843335 - phone +44 (0)1962 843337 - fax 0467 298419 (mobile switched on after 6pm) damianm@worldsy.com Web Site; http://www.worldsy.com From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Apr 16 14:46:43 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id OAA18176 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 14:14:37 +0100 (BST) Received: from smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk (smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk [193.114.232.134]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA18158 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 14:14:30 +0100 (BST) From: Wayne_Retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk Received: from ccMail by smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk (IMA Internet Exchange 2.12 Enterprise) id 00035943; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 14:05:23 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 14:03:41 +0100 Message-ID: <00035943.4069@watsonwyatt.co.uk> Subject: Tour II - Seedings, Pools and stuff... To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Cc: merrick.cardew@g4tech.co.uk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk BUF Ultim8 Tour 1998 - Event II (Swindon) Seedings and Pools: Pool A Pool B 1 UTI 2 Shotgun 3 Catch 22 4 Fluid Druids 6 Headrush 5 Chevron Action Flash 8 Red I 7 Violently Happy Pool C Pool D Pool E Pool F 9 First Touch 10 Red Shift 11 GB Juniors 12 Mild Mannered Janitors 16 Village People 15 Blue Arse Flies 14 Superfly 13 Sneeekys 18 Picnic in the Sky 17 Jedi Children 20 Whiplash 19 Skunks 23 Strange Blue 24 Twin Peaks 21 Bliss 22 K-Niggets 26 Mad Kows 25 Sharks 28 Fingers 6 27 Chaos 32 Mud Culture 31 Uriel 30 SlipDisc 29 Red II Objectives: Pools A and B: finish top 2 to be in the semis for a chance of winning the Event Pools C-F: finish top of pool to have the chance of making it to the top 8 for Event III via the 5-12 Sunday knockout Format: Saturday: 9.00am Captain's meeting 9.30am Games start (EVERYBODY!) RoundRobin Pool play. Sunday: 1-4 semis/finals, 5-12 knockout, 13-20 knockout, 21-24 RoundRobin, 25-32 knockout Wayne Retter Tournament Director at work: wayne_retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk 01737-273611 at home: tour2@phidelta.demon.co.uk 01737-242109 weekend mobile: 0966-175173 ________________________________________________________________ Notice of Confidentiality This transmission is intended for the named addressee only. It contains information which may be confidential and which may also be privileged. Unless you are the named addressee (or authorised to receive it for the addressee) you may not copy or use it, or disclose it to anyone else. If you have received this transmission in error please contact: ~admin@watsonwyatt.co.uk or IT Manager: +44(0)1737 241144 Fax: +44(0)1737 241496 Watson Wyatt Partners is regulated by the Institute of Actuaries in the conduct of UK investment business. _________________________________________________________________ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Apr 16 15:06:23 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id XAA06145 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 23:33:02 +0100 (BST) Received: from wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk (wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk [131.111.48.24]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA06053 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 23:31:19 +0100 (BST) Received: by wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk (UK-Smail 3.1.25.1/15) id <m0yPEEH-0005UoC@wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk>; Tue, 14 Apr 98 23:31 BST Message-Id: <m0yPEEH-0005UoC@wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 14 Apr 98 23:31 BST From: mackay@mrao.cam.ac.uk (David J.C. MacKay) To: Philipp_Prince@bdo.co.uk, britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Re: Traffic cones Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk baby traffic cones can be bought from newitts (newitts.co.uk) who area sports supplier based in York. They deliver promptly using royal mail. They only deal with organizations, not individuals, so tell them the order is from XYZ ultimate sports society. The cost is about 1.75 per cone. David ========================================================================== David J.C. MacKay email: mackay@mrao.cam.ac.uk www: http://wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk/mackay/ Cavendish Laboratory, tel: (01223) 339852 fax: 354599 home: 276411 Madingley Road, international code: +44 1223 Cambridge CB3 0HE. U.K. room: 982 Rutherford Building From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Apr 16 15:29:53 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id PAA28092 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 15:13:09 +0100 (BST) Received: from gatekeeper.benfield.co.uk (gatekeeper.benfield.co.uk [193.129.127.221]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA28000 for <Britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 15:12:41 +0100 (BST) Received: by gatekeeper.benfield.co.uk; id PAA17571; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 15:10:56 +0100 (BST) Received: from unknown(194.10.14.28) by gatekeeper.benfield.co.uk via smap (3.2) id xma017563; Thu, 16 Apr 98 15:10:27 +0100 Received: by BENEXCHANGE with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id <25Z3YGX6>; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 15:11:41 +0100 Message-ID: <2C03D53C1CB6D111AC1C00805FEA5AC548AE96@BENEXCHANGE> From: Colin Wagstaff <Colin.Wagstaff@benfieldgreig.com> To: "'Britdisc'" <Britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Cc: "'FEE'" <feemacrae@hotmail.com>, ADAM HARRIS <ADAMH@MARKETPLACE-DESIGN.CO.UK>, ALEX <mmup9@central.susx.ac.uk>, Chris <chris.p.mills@ArthurAndersen.com>, Danny Baker <Baker_danny@jpmorgan.com>, DAVE MURRAY <Gynga@aol.com>, DAVE TROVELL <david.trovell@bmpoptimum.co.uk>, GUY <bowlesgu@guinness.com>, Jock <msc9822@geo.ed.ac.uk>, MARK PERRYMAN <mark_p_perryman@gb.coopers.com>, ME <Wagstaff_c@GreigFester.com>, "Norm...... Sorry Andy" <ANDREW.tucker@warwick.ac.uk>, Steve Shipley <shipley@coventry.ac.uk>, Stu <Stuart.Stevens@wmmercer.com>, STUMPY <matthew_robb@mckinsey.com>, WAYNE DAVEY <wmd4@student.open.ac.uk>, Welshy <aae96@aber.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 15:11:40 +0100 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk OK here's a quick report of UTI's tournament in the World Beach Ultimate Championships 1998 at Rimini last week. After three party nights in Italy, including a vomit by Colin on a restaurant table (he's still a druid at heart) and a race between Guy and Fee through Bologna with their pants round their ankles, our first game on Friday was against the London based Kiwis, KUPA. It was a good game to learn about beach ultimate, and after a hesitant start we pulled away to win 7-4. Next up were (?) whom we really played well against destroying them (?). Ultimate on sand is like nothing else. Imagine running up a muddy hill with weights around your ankles and you get some idea of what cutting is like. Passes have to be to the body not just thrown into space. Of course laying out is easy and there were some huge takes and D's over the weekend Our final game on day one was against the host team Cota Rica. It was a big game for both teams but UTI came out firing, getting an early lead. Unfortunately a lack of fitness necessary for this tournament then began to show, with the cuts getting slower and some unnecessary throwaways. Cota came back with five in a row before we thought of switching our wings offence (which they had busted). Although we pulled a couple back it was too late and we lost 11-8. Needless to say we were gutted. Absolutely gutted. Whilst Cota are a good team we felt they should have been easily beaten. However out of the disappointment came the positive. A long post match discussion where we discussed our game and how to improve it, there was no blame attached but a thorough analysis of our tactics and important lessons to be learnt. The next day saw us determined to make amends, and so we did, playing some great ultimate in sometimes windy and difficult conditions. We beat Discpuli(?) 13-2 (?), and Jet Set from Belgium 15-2 (?) to finish second in our pool enough to get in the top 16. We were then put in another pool group where we played a yank team Pele Mana. We obviously had the upper hand in fitness but they had plenty of experience and great skills. Again we took an early lead before Pele clawed back in to it with a great zone. However our sprit and desire showed and we eventually took the game 12-8. Sunday morning 9:10 am was the biggest game of the tournament. We were playing Wall City from Berlin, last years losing finalists. Bar an improbable upset else where, we had to win to get through to the quarters. We were warmed up and very psyched and took an early lead 4-1 up. Wall City didn't know what had hit them, they had been led to expect we are a bunch of wasters??!! They re-organised played some great D and capitalising on some unnecessary errors came back with seven in a row. In 45 minute games there was no time left for the comeback, and it finished 12-8 (?). We left the pitch exhausted and disappointed but with our heads high, we had played well and with determination. No one had put in less than 100%. So the highest we could come was 9th. Well we polished off Sydney 2000 from Holland 11-7 (?) and (?) (?). Sunday night was the party with an endless supply of wine, which produced a few casualties, some more druid like than others. Mondays game was a bit of a non event and we just lost it to so finishing 10th. This was simply the best tourney a lot of our players had been to, and none of us can wait till next year. It was really cool the way the other British teams supported us. With a fit & focused team we are really capable of chellenging the top teams. Everyone played really well and as Guy says the team spirit was superb throughout. The players who went have come back a lot stronger wearing the UTI badge with great pride. Special mention should be made to Sarah, who played really well, fitting quickly into our team. She made some great scores and assists and played some great D. >From this tournament onwards UTI has the potential to be a great, great team. Fun to play with and capable of winning at the highest level. BUT we must learn from our defeats as any team should, fitness was an obvious issue, too often we went up only to lose several points in a row. Congratulations must be passed on to Bliss for their tremendous display of Womens Ultimate, never letting another team take more than 5 points from them. Andy & Colin. UTI were: Adam Harris Alex Evans Alex Bowers Andy Tucker Colin Wagstaff Dave Trovell Guy Bowles Mark Perryman Sarah Davison Wayne Davey. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Apr 16 15:57:05 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id PAA02244 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 15:38:59 +0100 (BST) Received: from smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk (smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk [193.114.232.134]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA02224 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 15:38:51 +0100 (BST) From: Wayne_Retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk Received: from ccMail by smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk (IMA Internet Exchange 2.12 Enterprise) id 000359ED; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 15:37:24 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 15:35:46 +0100 Message-ID: <000359ED.4069@watsonwyatt.co.uk> Subject: Re[2]: Tour II - Seedings, Pools and stuff... To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Ooops! and several other, much stronger, choice words! All this work I'm trying to do is affecting my Ultimate! It seems that I've made an error in the seedings and pools lists: NightFever ARE coming, Superfly ARE NOT. The seedings and pools may therefore be a bit different! I'll publish them later (so, apologies but, most of you will get them on Friday). Wayne Retter TD Paul Allen (NightFever) wrote: unless i'm really losing the plot i can't see NIGHT FEVER in the pools/seedings Ben Peek (Superfly) wrote: Are you sure Superfly have entered Tour II? PS: Thanks to Paul and Ben for noticing ________________________________________________________________ Notice of Confidentiality This transmission is intended for the named addressee only. 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If you have received this transmission in error please contact: ~admin@watsonwyatt.co.uk or IT Manager: +44(0)1737 241144 Fax: +44(0)1737 241496 Watson Wyatt Partners is regulated by the Institute of Actuaries in the conduct of UK investment business. _________________________________________________________________ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Apr 16 16:00:17 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id PAA03100 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 15:44:19 +0100 (BST) Received: from venus.open.ac.uk (venus.open.ac.uk [137.108.143.2]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA03089 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 15:44:13 +0100 (BST) Received: from msmgate3.open.ac.uk by venus with SMTP Local (MMTA v2.2); Thu, 16 Apr 1998 15:44:03 +0100 Received: by msmgate3.open.ac.uk with Microsoft Mail id <3536273E@msmgate3.open.ac.uk>; Thu, 16 Apr 98 15:43:58 BST From: "C.M.Hinton -Matthew Hinton" <C.M.Hinton@open.ac.uk> To: BritDisc <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Cc: "E.C.Gonsalves -Eddie Gonsalves" <E.C.Gonsalves@open.ac.uk>, "L.J.Ritchie" <L.J.Ritchie@cranfield.ac.uk> Subject: Pickup for Tour II Date: Thu, 16 Apr 98 15:43:00 BST Message-ID: <3536273E@msmgate3.open.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk The Mad Kows are going to be short of players for Swindon this weekend. We're currently down to an alarming 6 players, so anybody who wants to play pick up with us is more than welcome (as long as you're not rostered to another team). Please help even if it's only for a couple of games...... If you're interested contact either Laurie Ritchie, Eddie Gonsalves or myself, asap. Contact info follows. Laurie Ritchie, L.J.Ritchie@cranfield.ac.uk tel: 01908 669563 (evenings) Eddie Gonsalves e.c.gonsalves@open.ac.uk tel: 01908 654265 (day time) Matt Hinton c.m.hinton@open.ac.uk tel: 01908 654737 (day time) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Apr 16 17:35:40 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id RAA16785 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 17:18:34 +0100 (BST) Received: from dns.hi-net.it (root@hi-net.it [194.243.133.2]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA16764 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 17:18:27 +0100 (BST) Received: from gandalf.ciam.unibo.it (gandalf.ciam.unibo.it [137.204.214.21]) by dns.hi-net.it (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA20092 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 18:17:12 +0200 Message-ID: <35363C3B.41C6@gandalf.ciam.unibo.it> Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 19:13:31 +0200 From: Jumpi <giampi@gandalf.ciam.unibo.it> X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (X11; I; AIX 2) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Paganello Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi all, just like i did last year, i have to thank all the british teams which came down to Rimini beach. Once again you brought something special and i'm not only talking about full-moon-naked-ultimate (which actually would be enough!!). The more english teams join us, the more it's fun: this equation was true even this time. I hope you all had fun in spite of storming weather. Believe me when i say we were very unlucky: usually it's not so windy. Those who were here last 2 years can confirm! However this is what we've got this year. Special thanks, of course, to the ladies! You did really play very good and i'd love you to be back next year, not only because of your way of playing.... Well you must come back, since you have the big-umbrella!! I don't know how 1999Paganello will be. Probably we'll do it a little bit smaller, because we've really been working too hard, but british teams are and will be always most welcome!! Thank you very much indeed to all of you, ciao! -- -Jumpi From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Apr 16 21:41:53 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id VAA11560 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 21:28:39 +0100 (BST) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA11549 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 21:28:35 +0100 (BST) Received: from phidelta.demon.co.uk ([158.152.248.177]) by post.mail.demon.net id ab1028423; 16 Apr 98 20:28 GMT Message-ID: <gz+K0IAycmN1EwiX@phidelta.demon.co.uk> Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 21:16:50 +0100 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: Wayne Retter <wayne@phidelta.demon.co.uk> Subject: UTI at Paganello In-Reply-To: <2C03D53C1CB6D111AC1C00805FEA5AC548AE96@BENEXCHANGE> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Trial Version 3.04 <pjZRgFWDsQK5ViyP$l4rxVrb6a> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Colin Wagstaff <Colin.Wagstaff@benfieldgreig.com> wrote: >OK here's a quick report of UTI's tournament in the World Beach >Ultimate Championships 1998 at Rimini last week. and more... It seems to me, that whilst UTI consider their inferior fitness a factor in the games they lost, many of the opponents beat them, or overcame difficulties, by using their brains and adjusting their playing style... To revive a phrase attributed to Rafi Friere a (long) while ago: Fitness is important, Style is crucial! Wayne -------------------------- Wayne Retter Wayne@phidelta.demon.co.uk http://www.phidelta.demon.co.uk/ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Apr 16 21:41:56 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id VAA11542 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 21:28:30 +0100 (BST) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA11502 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 21:28:14 +0100 (BST) Received: from (phidelta.demon.co.uk) [158.152.248.177] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yPvGW-00078E-00; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 21:28:13 +0100 Message-ID: <sj3JgGAXTmN1EwC9@phidelta.demon.co.uk> Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 21:06:47 +0100 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: Wayne Retter <wayne@phidelta.demon.co.uk> Subject: Bliss at Paganello In-Reply-To: <2C03D53C1CB6D111AC1C00805FEA5AC548AE96@BENEXCHANGE> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Trial Version 3.04 <pjZRgFWDsQK5ViyP$l4rxVrb6a> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Questions: Is Bliss' success in the Women's Division at Paganello at all attributable to their history of playing in the Open division in the UK, against the (stronger, faster, taller, etc. etc. all the usual male/female comparisons in sport...) male dominated teams? If so, is this a good/bad thing? >Congratulations must be passed on to Bliss for their tremendous display >of Womens Ultimate, never letting another team take more than 5 points >from them. Wayne -------------------------- Wayne Retter Wayne@phidelta.demon.co.uk http://www.phidelta.demon.co.uk/ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Apr 16 21:44:36 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id VAA12719 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 21:42:38 +0100 (BST) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA12708 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 21:42:36 +0100 (BST) Received: from phidelta.demon.co.uk ([158.152.248.177]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa2000280; 16 Apr 98 20:28 GMT Message-ID: <bjKEwNAjmmN1EwlP@phidelta.demon.co.uk> Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 21:27:15 +0100 To: Merrick Cardew <merrick.cardew@g4tech.co.uk>, BritDisc <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Cc: Wayne Retter <wayne_retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk> From: wayne_retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk MMDF-Warning: Parse error in original version of preceding line at post.mail.demon.net Subject: v2.0: Tour II - Seedings and Pools... MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Trial Version 3.04 <pjZRgFWDsQK5ViyP$l4rxVrb6a> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk should be correct this time... Pool A PoolB 1 UTI 2 Shotgun 3 Catch 22 4 Fluid Druids 6 Headrush 5 Chevron Action Flash 8 Red I 7 Violently Happy Pool C Pool D Pool E Pool F 9 First Touch 10 Red Shift 11 GB Juniors 12 Mild Mannered Janitors 16 Jedi Children 15 Village People 14 Blue Arse Flies 13 Sneeekys 18 Skunks 17 Picnic In The Sky 20 Bliss 19 Whiplash 23 Twin Peaks 24 Sharks 21 K-Niggets 22 Strange Blue 26 Chaos 25 Mad Kows 28 Red II 27 Fingers 6 32 Mud Culture 31 Uriel 30 SlipDisc 29 NightFever the 'stuff' was correct... Wayne Retter Tournament Director at work: 01737-273611 wayne_retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk at home: 01737-242109 tour2@phidelta.demon.co.uk weekend mobile: 0966-175173 -- Tour II TD tour2@phidelta.demon.co.uk http://www.phidelta.demon.co.uk/u8-98/tour2/ Layout Dreams From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Apr 17 11:33:55 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id LAA06665 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 11:16:59 +0100 (BST) Received: from eagle.eng.warwick.ac.uk (eagle [137.205.144.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA06654 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 11:16:52 +0100 (BST) Received: from eng.warwick.ac.uk by eagle.eng.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id LAA18150; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 11:16:48 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <6057.9804171016@eng.warwick.ac.uk> From: "Andrew Tucker" <esrqr@eng.warwick.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 11:15:02 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: UTI at Paganello Reply-To: Andrew.Tucker@warwick.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <gz+K0IAycmN1EwiX@phidelta.demon.co.uk> References: <2C03D53C1CB6D111AC1C00805FEA5AC548AE96@BENEXCHANGE> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Wayne Retter <wayne@phidelta.demon.co.uk> wrote: >It seems to me, that whilst UTI consider their inferior fitness a >factor in the games they lost, many of the opponents beat them, or >overcame difficulties, by using their brains and adjusting their >playing style... Since when has a druid ever used their brains and adjusted their playing style? Remind me the last time Druids dazzled us with a new and effective style? Who can remember the last time Druids beat UTI. I'm not having some "Piltdown Man" Retter of the so-called "never-been-layed (sic) dreams" calling us stupid. >To revive a phrase attributed to Rafi Friere a (long) while ago: > Fitness is important, Style is crucial! Your right Wayne, check out our endzone celebrations next time we play you, especially the one involving bagels... Andy - Under the Influence From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Apr 17 13:17:00 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id MAA19319 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 12:59:37 +0100 (BST) Received: from ursa.cns.umist.ac.uk (ursa.cns.umist.ac.uk [130.88.210.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA19311 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 12:59:35 +0100 (BST) Received: from ccg.acu.man.ac.uk [130.88.17.200] by ursa.cns.umist.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.81 #4) id 0yQ9nq-00035e-00; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 12:59:35 +0100 Received: from ccMail by ccg.acu.man.ac.uk (ccMail Link to SMTP R6.00.02) id AA892814371; Fri, 17 Apr 98 12:59:32 GMT Message-Id: <9804178928.AA892814371@ccg.acu.man.ac.uk> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R6.00.02 Date: Fri, 17 Apr 98 12:58:59 GMT From: "Rob Mitchell"<admrwm@ccg.acu.man.ac.uk> To: <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: UTI's weekend at the seaside MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Thanks to UTI for conforming to type: playing a beach tournament like Beau Geste then displaying hair-trigger sensitivity to criticism. Good to know some things in life can be relied upon. I'm sure we all hope this is only the first of many Stormin' Norman debriefings. U nderestimated T heir I nsignificance rob From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Apr 17 13:17:39 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id NAA19602 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 13:02:05 +0100 (BST) Received: from penguin.wise.edt.ericsson.se (penguin-ext.wise.edt.ericsson.se [194.237.142.5]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA19591 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 13:02:01 +0100 (BST) Received: from mbb4.ericsson.se (mbb4.ericsson.se [136.225.152.56]) by penguin.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.7.5/8.7.3/glacier-1.12) with ESMTP id OAA28911 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 14:00:41 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from eds.ericsson.se (esealnt162.ericsson.se) by mbb4.ericsson.se (PMDF V5.1-10 #23296) with SMTP id <0ERK00L3Z3YQ9F@mbb4.ericsson.se> for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 13:59:14 +0200 (MET) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 13:35 +0200 From: ALAN BALDWIN <alan.baldwin@oml.ericsson.se> Subject: UTI v Druids, and the winner was... To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Message-id: <199804171135.Nh0g@eds.ericsson.se> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id NAA19597 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk --- Received from OML.OMLANBN 44-1256-864592 98-04-17 13:35 Hello all, Firstly well done to UTI and particularly Bliss in Paganello. Andy writes: > Since when has a druid ever used their > brains and adjusted their playing style? > Remind me the last time Druids dazzled us > with a new and effective style? Who can > remember the last time Druids beat UTI. > I'm not having some "Piltdown Man" Retter > of the so-called "never-been-layed (sic) > dreams" calling us stupid. Whilst the Druids don't really need defending..... The last time Druids beat UTI was 1996 UK nationals, i.e. last time it REALLY mattered; I seem to remember you had trashed us all season, but the lost the big one! Nationals was really windy that year, so in the game we played against UTI we changed our tac-tics and played huck and zone, it seemed to work as we won. Since then, I doubt UTI have played Druids in a tourney but I could be wrong. BTW The only team to come up with anything really new in the last few years has been Shotgun who either invented/imported their bodyform 'O'. No other team including UTI have "dazzled us with a new and effective style". Andy, Wayne was only making the observation, that other teams overcame the reportedly energy sapping conditions, he wasn't calling you stupid! so you can put your toys back in the pram now! Alan Red Shift ---- 98-04-17 13:35 ---- Sent to ------------------------------ -> britdisc(a)csv.warwick.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Apr 17 14:19:16 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id OAA29420 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 14:05:34 +0100 (BST) Received: from amsta.leeds.ac.uk (amsta.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA29402 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 14:05:28 +0100 (BST) Received: from newton.leeds.amsta (newton.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.64]) by amsta.leeds.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA27302 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 14:06:21 +0100 (BST) Received: by newton.leeds.amsta (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id OAA14408; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 14:08:27 +0100 Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 14:08:27 +0100 From: amtsjh@amsta.leeds.ac.uk (S J Hill) Message-Id: <199804171308.OAA14408@newton.leeds.amsta> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: offensive style X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk > BTW The only team to come up with anything really new in the last few > years has been Shotgun who either invented/imported their bodyform > 'O'. No other team including UTI have "dazzled us with a new and > effective style". I'm not so sure about this. I think both UTI and Catch should take some credit for being very good at the "NO idea how to play" offence. Check it out this w/e! And if you're lucky you might even be able to have a "serious discussion" about it with Col. Don't forget your snow-shoes! Sly From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Apr 17 15:13:56 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id OAA05824 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 14:53:40 +0100 (BST) Received: from newsgate.dircon.co.uk (uugate1.dircon.co.uk [194.112.50.20]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA05817 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 14:53:38 +0100 (BST) Received: from dmotive.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by newsgate.dircon.co.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with UUCP id OAA17247 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 14:52:52 +0100 (BST) Date: 17 Apr 98 14:58:11 +0000 From: Jonathan Schofield <jonathan.schofield@designmotive.co.uk> Subject: Ultim8 Tour Flya To: BritDisc <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Message-ID: <980417.145811@designmotive.co.uk> X-Mailer: InterCall 1.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id OAA05820 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Later than hoped (by about 2 weeks!), and only just in time for Swindon, is the first issue of the ULTIM8 1998 TOUR FLYA available at: http://www.designmotive.co.uk/ultim8 This is a temporary URL, which I hope to move to the BUF web site. Scott, please get in touch! It is provided as an Adobe Acrobat 3.0 PDF file, so you'll need to have Adobe Acrobat Reader 3.0 or Adobe Acrobat Exchange 3.0 to view or print it off line. Alternatively, you can view or print it on line from your browser if you have the correct Acrobat Reader plug-in. As subscribers to BritDisc, you won't find anything you haven't read already, but you might like to take a look anyway, or print out a hard copy for posterity. I will be taking as many printed hard copies to Swindon as I can manage in the time. The next issue should appear considerably quicker than this one has! See y'all in Swindon Jonathan Shotgun From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Apr 17 15:32:49 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id PAA08896 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 15:16:26 +0100 (BST) Received: from brookes.ac.uk (csmail.brookes.ac.uk [161.73.1.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA08886 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 15:16:23 +0100 (BST) Received: from 97315250 by brookes.ac.uk (8.8.7/) id PAA15703; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 15:16:22 +0100 (BST) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 15:16:22 +0100 (BST) From: jewell tara s <97315250@brookes.ac.uk> Message-Id: <199804171416.PAA15703@brookes.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Brookes Windows Client ver. 4.2b To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Paganello! Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk TO: Everybody who went to Rimini! Thanks for your support and encouragement during the whole tournament - especially OW! who never missed a game (well, one of ours anyway!!!!!), UTI for their singing - cut a record boys!, and Guy for his sound and tactical pitch side advice. Well played, Ciao! Tara PS - For an Ultimatum report - does anybody know when a women's team from this country last won a tournament abroad? From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Apr 17 15:59:14 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id PAA12582 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 15:39:11 +0100 (BST) Received: from polaris.kbw.co.uk (dns1.kbw.co.uk [193.132.201.37]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA12551 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 15:39:04 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199804171439.PAA12551@pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Received: from 193.132.201.101 by polaris.kbw.co.uk with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.0.1458.49) id JBRDZTGZ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 15:44:23 +0100 From: "Roger Thomson" <roger@kbw.co.uk> To: "jewell tara s" <97315250@brookes.ac.uk>, <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Women's team won Geneva 4(?) years ago. Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 15:40:45 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk When Shotgun and Tomato/Tomatoe (Bliss with some of Diana's NY City friends) won the mens and ladies events respectively. Living Memory: Paul Salmon saved us with a footblock on our own endzone line in the semi at 13-13, game to 14. cya tomorrow r ---------- > From: jewell tara s <97315250@brookes.ac.uk> > To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk > Subject: Paganello! > Date: 17 April 1998 15:16 > > TO: Everybody who went to Rimini! > > Thanks for your support and encouragement during the whole tournament - > especially OW! who never missed a game (well, one of ours anyway!!!!!), UTI > for their singing - cut a record boys!, and Guy for his sound and tactical > pitch side advice. > > Well played, > > Ciao! > Tara > > PS - For an Ultimatum report - does anybody know when a women's team from this > country last won a tournament abroad? > > > From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Apr 17 19:48:19 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id TAA11553 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 19:33:39 +0100 (BST) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA11547 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 19:33:32 +0100 (BST) Received: from (phidelta.demon.co.uk) [158.152.248.177] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yQFwg-00001Y-00; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 19:33:06 +0100 Message-ID: <l8h7HDAPb5N1Ewyq@phidelta.demon.co.uk> Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 18:52:15 +0100 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: Wayne Retter <wayne@phidelta.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: UTI at Paganello In-Reply-To: <6057.9804171016@eng.warwick.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Trial Version 3.04 <pjZRgFWDsQK5ViyP$l4rxVrb6a> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Well, maybe it's a shame to continue this after the weekend, but it's probably too late for most of you to read this on Friday... My apologies to all for taking some of this seriously :) AT>Since when has a druid ever used their brains "a druid"..."brains" - we've got more than one? EACH by your grammar! tho' 'tis more likely that you mean between us? AT> and adjusted their playing style? As a team: 1) "Ignore Adam" offence, 2) "Adam and Karl do their stuff" offence 3) "Keep Adam off the pitch at all costs" O or D 4) iron man, utilising a junk D at Monkfest'96 to destroy a 21 strong Monks team something horrible... 5) same tourney, playing zone D, our off-point heads for the endzone after 5 passes [yes, we *were* still on D, and yes, most times we scored] 6) training nearly half of those UTI boys for a year or so, getting it into their heads that they *could* beat Shotgun if they played right, and then letting them go away and do it! Personally: I've played for other teams (even UTI! anyone else remember the days when they'd rarely throw *forwards* ?). I've learnt something from each of them... but they don't have the same entertainment factor as the Druids! AT> Remind me the last time Druids dazzled us with a new and effective AT> style? Some of the above, which are unique to the Druids (obviously!) and the alledged "SlimBoy" offense, as seen at Leicester (tho' most of us would agree with that being a figment of someone's deranged imagination) Nope, you're right - like most teams, we borrow or modify someone else's plays AT> Who can remember the last time Druids beat UTI. I refer you to Alan Baldwin's comment (after all, the indoor games don't count, so it doesn't matter if you won them, right?) AT> I'm not having some "Piltdown Man" Retter Personal insults! Cool! AT> calling us stupid. I'm not calling you stupid! I'm pointing out that the other teams are/seem more intelligent! AT> Your right Wayne, check out our endzone celebrations next time we AT> play you, especially the one involving bagels... Wayne -------------------------- Wayne Retter Wayne@phidelta.demon.co.uk http://www.phidelta.demon.co.uk/ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sun Apr 19 19:08:46 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id QAA27862 for britdisc-outgoing; Sun, 19 Apr 1998 16:49:55 +0100 (BST) Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com (imo12.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.34]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA27831 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Sun, 19 Apr 1998 16:49:29 +0100 (BST) Received: from JimboMcD@aol.com by imo12.mx.aol.com (IMOv14.1) id IIOZa03521; Sun, 19 Apr 1998 11:47:50 -0400 (EDT) From: JimboMcD <JimboMcD@aol.com> Message-ID: <1386d9ca.353a1ca8@aol.com> Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 11:47:50 EDT To: a.bardill@mdx.ac.uk, Chuckaway@aol.com, britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk, andrew@rfeltham.demon.co.uk, 106425.1041@compuserve.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: temporarily unavailable... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0.i for Mac sub 32 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hello all - and apologies for those people who will get this message but don't care at all about it... I'm about to undergo the tortuous procedure of choosing a new internet provider and getting it set up on my Mac then working out why it won't work, etc etc..., so for a few days I won't be able to recieve any email at my usual AOL address. It'll be a day or so before I can post my new address out (whatever it may be) so in the unlikely event of anyone out there needing to mail me over the next week or so, send it to the usual address anyway and I'll pick it up at the end of the week. I'm planning to have my old AOL account and the new one running at the same time for a month or so so things should sort themselves out then. Cheers - Jim McDonnell (Village) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Apr 20 01:22:07 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id XAA26963 for britdisc-outgoing; Sun, 19 Apr 1998 23:47:06 +0100 (BST) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA26939 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Sun, 19 Apr 1998 23:46:42 +0100 (BST) Received: from (phidelta.demon.co.uk) [158.152.248.177] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yR2rB-0004Dd-00; Sun, 19 Apr 1998 23:46:42 +0100 Message-ID: <+sum3JAcjnO1EwI6@phidelta.demon.co.uk> Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 23:21:16 +0100 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: Wayne Retter <wayne@phidelta.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: UTI v Druids, and the winner was... In-Reply-To: <199804171135.Nh0g@eds.ericsson.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Trial Version 3.04 <pjZRgFWDsQK5ViyP$l4rxVrb6a> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk ...um, I can't actually remember the score (!) BUT, they (UTI) scored more than us (Druids) [21-something reasonable] Happily, we gave them a shock midway through the game and proved the 'fitness is important, style is crucial' thing. Unhappily, we still haven't dazzled anybody with a new and effective style of play. Wayne -------------------------- Wayne Retter Wayne@phidelta.demon.co.uk http://www.phidelta.demon.co.uk/ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Apr 20 01:22:15 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id XAA26997 for britdisc-outgoing; Sun, 19 Apr 1998 23:47:41 +0100 (BST) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA26942 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Sun, 19 Apr 1998 23:46:47 +0100 (BST) Received: from (phidelta.demon.co.uk) [158.152.248.177] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yR2rC-0001V5-00; Sun, 19 Apr 1998 23:46:42 +0100 Message-ID: <f8yuzCAtAnO1EwtW@phidelta.demon.co.uk> Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 22:44:13 +0100 To: BritDisc <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>, Merrick Cardew <merrick.cardew@g4tech.co.uk> From: Tour II TD <tour2@phidelta.demon.co.uk> Subject: Tour II - Results MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Trial Version 3.04 <pjZRgFWDsQK5ViyP$l4rxVrb6a> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk PositionPoints Team 1 250 Shotgun 2 230 UTI 3 222 Catch 22 4 210 Fluid Druids 5 205 Chevron Action Flash 6 190 Red I 7 181 First Touch 8 170 Red Shift 9 162 Sneeekys 10 150 Blue Arse Flies 11 141 Headrush 12 130 Violently Happy 13 125 Strange Blue 14 110 Mild Mannered Janitors 15 101 Sharks 16 90 Village People 17 81 GB Juniors 18 75 Skunks 19 70 Bliss 20 65 Jedi 21 60 Picnic 22 55 NightFever 23 50 Twin Peaks 24 45 SlipDisc 25 40 Fingers 6 26 35 Uriel 27 30 Mad Kows 28 25 K-Niggetts 29 20 Whiplash 30 15 Red II 31 10 Mud Culture 32 5 Chaos NOTES: Whiplash; Red II; Mud Culture and Chaos face potential relegation from Tour III due to the Tour Waiting List system. to follow: TD tournament report (by Chris Hughes) Overall Tour Rankings/Points Tournament and U8 website updates Tour Flya Confirmation of Entrants to Tour III Wayne Retter -- Tour II TD tour2@phidelta.demon.co.uk http://www.phidelta.demon.co.uk/u8-98/tour2/ Layout Dreams From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Apr 20 09:18:58 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id HAA18960 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 07:47:28 +0100 (BST) Received: from gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (ralf@gem [137.205.227.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA18942 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 07:47:05 +0100 (BST) Received: (from ralf@localhost) by gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA21351 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 07:47:05 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 07:47:05 +0100 (BST) From: Ranulf Doswell <ralf@dcs.warwick.ac.uk> Message-Id: <199804200647.HAA21351@gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: BFDF Events Reminder Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk British Flying Disc Federation Disc Events Diary ------------------------------------------------ The events list can also be found at http://www.dcs.warwick.ac.uk/~ralf/bfdf/ ---------- Saturday 25th April 1998 Warwick Indoors (2 days) [Indoor Ultimate] Contact Jim Ayrton Email stuly@csv.warwick.ac.uk URL http://www.csv.warwick.ac.uk/~suaaz/ Saturday 2nd May 1998 GB Training (Open and Women) (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Scottish Open, Isle of Mull [Golf] Student Outdoors (2 days) @ Leicester [Students' Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Simon Weeks Email gga95sew@sheffield.ac.uk Phone 0114 222 9999 ext 52252 Saturday 9th May 1998 Tour III (2 days) @ Birmingham [Outdoor Ultimate] TD Charlie Mead Email charles.mead@easynet.co.uk Thursday 21st May 1998 Rotterdam (4 days) [Outdoor Ultimate Abroad] Saturday 23rd May 1998 Mad Kows KowPat '98 (2 days) @ Open University, Kilton Keynes [Outdoor Ultimate] URL: http://www.mk.dmu.ac.uk/~mstacey/Ultimate/kowpat.htm Space for 16 teams, camping available. Contact Laurie Ritchie Email l.j.ritchie@cranfield.ac.uk URL http://www-cs.open.ac.uk/~martin/pages/Mad_Kows.html Saturday 30th May 1998 Chaos Outdoors (2 days) @ Trent Park, N. London [Outdoor Ultimate] 16 teams. Camping available. Contact Dan Jones Phone 0181 364 1652 Contact Jo Nurney Email JN061@mdx.ac.uk BDGA Golf (2 days) TBC @ Hayling Island, Southampton [Golf] WizOpen '98 (3 days) @ Geneva [Outdoor Ultimate Abroad] URL: http://www.wizards.ch/WizOpen.htm Contact Yves Maumary Email speedy@wizards.ch Saturday 6th June 1998 ??? (2 days) TBC @ Cambridge [Outdoor Ultimate] Open and Juniors Contact David MacKay Email mackay@mrao.cam.ac.uk Phone (01223) 339852 fax: 354599 home: 276411 URL http://wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk/mackay/ Fiesta (2 days) TBC [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 13th June 1998 GB Training (Open and Women) (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Quarry Park, Warwickshire [Golf] Saturday 20th June 1998 Tour IV (2 days) @ Southampton [Outdoor Ultimate] TD Tim Woolford Email tww93si@soton.ac.uk Saturday 27th June 1998 Junior Outdoors (2 days) @ Adam's Grammar School, Newport, Shropshire [Junior Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Rowena Gill Email maths.adamsg@mail.adamsg.rmplc.co.uk Saturday 4th July 1998 GB Training (Open and Women) (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 11th July 1998 Tour V (2 days) @ Double Locks, Exeter [Outdoor Ultimate] TD Kevin Lowe Email kevinl@curved-logic.com Saturday 18th July 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Whitcombe, Dorset [Golf] Saturday 25th July 1998 GB Training (Open and Women) (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 1st August 1998 Ross-On-Wye (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 8th August 1998 GB Training (Open and Women) (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Friday 14th August 1998 Worlds (10 days) [Outdoor Ultimate Abroad] Saturday 15th August 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Essex University [Golf] Saturday 29th August 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) TBC @ Perth or Edinburgh [Golf] Friday 11th September 1998 BUF Open (3 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 19th September 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Burnlaw, Horthumberland [Golf] Saturday 26th September 1998 Nationals 98 (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 24th October 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Whitcombe, Dorset [Golf Handicap] ---------------------------------------------------------- British Flying Disc Federation Disc Events Diary http://www.dcs.warwick.ac.uk/~ralf/bfdf/ Ranulf Doswell, ralf@dcs.warwick.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Apr 20 13:30:39 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id LAA13654 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 11:03:30 +0100 (BST) Received: from POP3.tu-dresden.de (POP3.tu-dresden.de [141.30.2.83]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA13549 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 11:02:55 +0100 (BST) Received: from rmail.urz.tu-dresden.de by rks3 with SMTP (PP); Mon, 20 Apr 1998 12:00:36 +0200 Received: from ptprs16.phy.tu-dresden.de by rmail with SMTP (PP); Mon, 20 Apr 1998 11:56:51 +0200 Received: from loopback by ptprs16.phy.tu-dresden.de (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA12870; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 12:02:06 +0200 Message-Id: <353B1D1E.15FB@physik.tu-dresden.de> Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 12:02:06 +0200 From: Thomas Heine <thomas.heine@physik.tu-dresden.de> Organization: TU Dresden, Institut f"ur Theoretische Physik X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (X11; I; AIX 1) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Urial, where are you??? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Does anybody have an email address of an ultimate team in Exeter? Cheers, Thomas thomas.heine@physik.tu-dresden.de From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Apr 20 15:24:03 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id OAA21354 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 14:23:54 +0100 (BST) Received: from smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk (smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk [193.114.232.134]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA21187 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 14:23:09 +0100 (BST) From: Wayne_Retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk Received: from ccMail by smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk (IMA Internet Exchange 3.0 Enterprise) id 0000051C; Mon, 20 Apr 98 14:23:27 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 14:20:39 +0100 Message-ID: <0000051C.eval@watsonwyatt.co.uk> Subject: Camera found... To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Cc: merrick.cardew@g4tech.co.uk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk To all those who have any idea of what I'm talking about... I'm happy and relieved to say that my camera has now been located, after it disappeared mysteriously from the party at Swindon this weekend. Having mentioned the party... Huge thanks to 'Jigsaw' (especially to Sam, who learned some of the songs in time for the gig with only one weeks warning) for the entertainment on Saturday night 'Jigsaw' were: Jo (vocals) Andy Ellis (guitar) Merrick Cardew (guitar) Gav (drums) Sam (bass) and that TALL GB Junior who filled in on bass when Sam decided he "had to go"! Wayne Retter ________________________________________________________________ Notice of Confidentiality This transmission is intended for the named addressee only. 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MacKay) To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: GB Masters practice Cc: gbm@mrao.cam.ac.uk Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reminder: this Sunday GB masters practice 26 April. Regents Park, London. 11am. In the park just south of the zoo. All aged people (29+) are warmly encouraged to come. David ps GBM web pages at http://wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk/ultimate/gbm/ Next practice - 17 May. Univeristy of Warwick, near Coventry. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Apr 20 17:32:55 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id RAA28579 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 17:12:50 +0100 (BST) Received: from exchpk01.chelt.ac.uk (exchpk01.chelt.ac.uk [194.66.194.228]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA28570 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 17:12:48 +0100 (BST) Received: by exchpk01.chelt.ac.uk with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD6C7F.87D3C110@exchpk01.chelt.ac.uk>; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 17:12:43 +0100 Message-ID: <c=GB%a=_%p=CHELT%l=EXCHPK01-980420161242Z-781@exchpk01.chelt.ac.uk> From: "HUGHES, Chris" <CHughes@chelt.ac.uk> To: "'Britdisc'" <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Tournament Report?? Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 17:12:42 +0100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk This isn't a tournament report in the strictest sense, Mudgie's doing that and I won't steal his thunder. My blurb is going to him for inclusion. However I would like to thank all those ultimate players who made my life easier at the end of the tournament. Thanks to all the people who brought cones, water bottles, and off loaded lost property. I would like to thank the Bar staff for keeping us fed and watered, and beered. The band 'Jigsaw' (including Tim who relived Gav on Drums when he got too carried away) Particularly those players who cleared up after them selves, and others, by bringing in rubbish, cones and other such items. To Shotgun and UTI who persevered, and waited half the afternoon before starting the Final so that people could watch, and then played in front of an audience of 10. I would also like to thank the following considerate / stupid (delete as appropriate) players; Patch - for putting all his property in the one Head bag, before leaving that so that we didn't have to pack it (the lad's a French Canadian, anything could happen!!!) David MacKay - for weighting down his cagoule by leaving his expensive digital camera in pocket so that it didn't blow away in the wind (I thought he was surgically attached to that thing). The Sneeekys - who laughed at all mine and Wayne's comments about the silly people who leave kit behind; before leaving a very nice bright orange Karrimor rucksack behind (wash bag, towel, brown shoes, white plastic bag of playing kit, inc. boots alongside). The person who put their expensive Gelert 4 Season sleeping bag (blue) in its stuff sack, and then putting on a table in the bar in full view so that we could find it. The player that kindly left their Hi-top Sharks to dry on a radiator so that they won't go mouldy when sitting in my garage for the next four weeks. And all the other people who ensured that when I went home, I had more lost property from the weekend, than there was in that pile on the table from the previous umpteen tournaments. And thanks to all those players who ensured that my disc collection went from 1 on Friday to 14 today And to all those people who persisted in the rain. Particularly the one player; who when asked who won their final game replied 'the pitch' And if Rog had the final comment after tour 1 then this time I have contribution from an unknown player who was overheard muttering as leaving; 'Please let it be sunny at tour 3' Cheers Chris . From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Apr 20 17:59:15 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id RAA05403 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 17:44:00 +0100 (BST) Received: from smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk (smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk [193.114.232.134]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA05389 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 17:43:56 +0100 (BST) From: Wayne_Retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk Received: from ccMail by smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk (IMA Internet Exchange 3.0 Enterprise) id 0000069E; Mon, 20 Apr 98 17:44:16 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 17:42:33 +0100 Message-ID: <0000069E.eval@watsonwyatt.co.uk> Subject: Re[2]: Ross On Wye To: Peter Bennison <pbennison@sepro.ie> Cc: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk, merrick.cardew@g4tech.co.uk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk The Ross on Wye Ultimate Tournament is 1+2 August 1998 and apparently at the same place as always That's all that anybody knows (or is telling) at the moment! Adam Batchelor is in charge this year: h01275-842753 m0976-440218 w01275-817011 adam.batchelor@virgin.net 81 West Hill Portishead Bristol BS20 I'd suggest that you PHONE him, he's not very good at this Email technology! Wayne Retter at work: wayne_retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk Fluid Druids at home: druid@phidelta.demon.co.uk [Club Contact= Neil Travers: druid@dreamer.demon.co.uk] PS: I'd actually suggest that EVERYBODY phones him so that he does something SOON! ________________________________________________________________ Notice of Confidentiality This transmission is intended for the named addressee only. It contains information which may be confidential and which may also be privileged. Unless you are the named addressee (or authorised to receive it for the addressee) you may not copy or use it, or disclose it to anyone else. If you have received this transmission in error please contact: ~admin@watsonwyatt.co.uk or IT Manager: +44(0)1737 241144 Fax: +44(0)1737 241496 Watson Wyatt Partners is regulated by the Institute of Actuaries in the conduct of UK investment business. _________________________________________________________________ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Apr 20 18:38:59 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id SAA12890 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 18:33:12 +0100 (BST) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA12880 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 18:33:10 +0100 (BST) Received: from (rfeltham.demon.co.uk) [194.222.105.80] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yRKRJ-0005BS-00; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 18:33:10 +0100 Message-ID: <WrkdLBAsZ4O1Ew9g@rfeltham.demon.co.uk> Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 18:31:24 +0100 To: Britdisc <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>, Chuckaway Charlie <chuckaway@aol.com>, Claire Francis <C.R.Francis@herts.ac.uk>, Alan Goodman <hoodwink@feist.com>, Ickle <20005054@nene.ac.uk>, Laura Bagshaw <laurab@ehs.co.uk>, Peter Williams <peterw@geode.demon.co.uk>, Phil Cain <nosherphil@aol.com>, Stan <stan_13@yahoo.com>, Patch Winser <patrick.winser@merchants.co.uk> From: Andrew Feltham <andrew@rfeltham.demon.co.uk> Subject: URL MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Version 3.03a <edHgNiGsNcBgjGSN5c6Z0yo938> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Sorry forgot to add the URL: http://www.rfeltham.demon.co.uk/index.html Andrew -- Andrew Feltham From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Apr 20 18:39:56 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id SAA12357 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 18:29:23 +0100 (BST) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA12324 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 18:29:16 +0100 (BST) Received: from rfeltham.demon.co.uk ([194.222.105.80]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa2006218; 20 Apr 98 17:15 GMT Message-ID: <ALNYTXAKK4O1Ewcn@rfeltham.demon.co.uk> Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 18:14:50 +0100 To: Chuckaway Charlie <chuckaway@aol.com>, Claire Francis <C.R.Francis@herts.ac.uk>, Alan Goodman <hoodwink@feist.com>, Ickle <20005054@nene.ac.uk>, Laura Bagshaw <laurab@ehs.co.uk>, Peter Williams <peterw@geode.demon.co.uk>, Scott Dworkin <Yankydruid@aol.com>, Stan <stan_13@yahoo.com>, Phil Cain <nosherphil@aol.com>, Britdisc <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> From: Andrew Feltham <andrew@rfeltham.demon.co.uk> Subject: Web site. MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Version 3.03a <edHgNiGsNcBgjGSN5c6Z0yo938> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Sorry if you get this twice. Anyway much to the enjoyment of everyone, the NEW and IMPROVED HURRICANE WEB SITE is now on-line. Comments are welcome and it is now possible to fill in your own copy of one of HURRICANES calls. Plenty of photographs to look at as well as disc's to buy. PLease add this following URL to any web pages you might have and if you want me to do the same let me know. Hope you enjoy it!!! -- Andrew Feltham From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Apr 20 23:22:09 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id XAA12497 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 23:09:11 +0100 (BST) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA12478 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 23:09:01 +0100 (BST) Received: from (phidelta.demon.co.uk) [158.152.248.177] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yROkE-00002S-00; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 23:08:59 +0100 Message-ID: <5xa3wQAMi6O1Ew4h@phidelta.demon.co.uk> Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 20:57:00 +0100 To: BritDisc <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>, Merrick Cardew <merrick.cardew@g4tech.co.uk> From: Tour II TD <tour2@phidelta.demon.co.uk> Subject: v2.0: Tour II - Results MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Trial Version 3.04 <pjZRgFWDsQK5ViyP$l4rxVrb6a> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Nobody else seems to have noticed yet.... but I forgot to mention: SPIRIT OF THE GAME went to SNEEEKYS and I made (another) error - I got Bliss and Jedi the wrong way round (and somebody DID notice). The CORRECT results are: PositionPoints Team 1 250 Shotgun 2 230 UTI 3 222 Catch 22 4 210 Fluid Druids 5 205 Chevron Action Flash 6 190 Red I 7 181 First Touch 8 170 Red Shift 9 162 Sneeekys 10 150 Blue Arse Flies 11 141 Headrush 12 130 Violently Happy 13 125 Strange Blue 14 110 Mild Mannered Janitors 15 101 Sharks 16 90 Village People 17 81 GB Juniors 18 75 Skunks 19 70 Jedi 20 65 Bliss 21 60 Picnic 22 55 NightFever 23 50 Twin Peaks 24 45 SlipDisc 25 40 Fingers 6 26 35 Uriel 27 30 Mad Kows 28 25 K-Niggetts 29 20 Whiplash 30 15 Red II 31 10 Mud Culture 32 5 Chaos NOTES: Whiplash; Red II; Mud Culture and Chaos face potential relegation from Tour III due to the Tour Waiting List system. Wayne Retter -- Tour II TD tour2@phidelta.demon.co.uk http://www.phidelta.demon.co.uk/u8-98/tour2/ Layout Dreams From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Apr 21 10:15:34 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id JAA14718 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 09:49:56 +0100 (BST) Received: from amsta.leeds.ac.uk (amsta.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA14705 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 09:49:54 +0100 (BST) Received: from newton.leeds.amsta (newton.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.64]) by amsta.leeds.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA17579 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 09:50:48 +0100 (BST) Received: by newton.leeds.amsta (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA24424; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 09:52:59 +0100 Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 09:52:59 +0100 From: amtsjh@amsta.leeds.ac.uk (S J Hill) Message-Id: <199804210852.JAA24424@newton.leeds.amsta> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Overall Tour Rankings - after Event II + .... X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk After a couple of fatigue-induced hiccups... here are the Overall Tour Rankings after Tour II. But first: 1. PLEASE NOTE: There are continuing discussions regarding Violently Happy and Twin Peaks. A really *OFFICIAL* ranking list will appear in the TOUR FLYA - available soon. (By the way, have you seen the Tour Flya I, http://www.designmotive.co.uk/ultim8 Jon Schofield has done an excellent job!) Of course the rankings (and all sorts of other tour info) is also available at http://www.phidelta.demon.co.uk/u8-98/ 2. Thanks to everyone involved in a great tournament, esp. Chris and Wayne. Congrats to all the various winners, but esp. the Gunners. Apologies to the few teams/people that were affected by the mistakes that were made. The best we can do is try to ensure they don't happen again. 3. One last thing, which will hopefully also be in the Flya. Did you (or someone on your team) get injured at a Tour Event? What happened? Was the medical backup adequate for the situation? Have you any further thoughts/ideas on this having been in the position of having an injury? The TDs are trying to put together some sort of report relating to injuries that occured at their events. Maybe you can help them, or just get information direct to me. *************************************************************** One day something horrible is going to happen, and this task is becoming increasingly important. We really need someone with an interest (+level of knowledge?) in this area to step forward and help out. If you think you would like to & can help to look at what happens at tournaments and try to further improve the medical cover that is provided (which has already improved in the last year or so) then PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE get in touch. Dr Paul Marfleet is also interested in helping and has already given me lots of useful info. We need someone to help his advice become reality... it could be you. ***************************************************************** Rank Points Team Name 1* 480 Shotgun 2* 480 UTI 3 444 Catch 22 4 420 Fluid Druids 5 410 Chevron Action Flash 6 360 Red I 7 343 First Touch 8 331 Headrush 9 320 Red Shift 10 310 Violently Happy 11 287 Sneeekys 12 251 Blue Arse Flies 13 240 Mild Mannered Janitors 14 222 GB Juniors 15 180 Village People 16 175 Strange Blue 17 151 Jedi Children 18 145 Skunks 19 141 Sharks 20 135 Picnic in the Sky 21 125 Bliss 22 110 Superfly 23 95 Twin Peaks 24 85 Whiplash 25 80 K-Niggets 26 65 Mad Kows 27 60 Fingers 6 28 55 NightFever 29 45 SlipDisc 30** 35 Uriel 31** 35 Chaos 32*** 25 Red II 33*** 25 Phat 'Eds 34 15 Mohawks Mwnci Magic 35 10 Mud Culture 36 5 Charnwood Sunz * They have same no. of points. Neither is geo. Look at overall head-to-head tournament finishing positions: 1-1. So go to latest tournament finishing position ==> Shotgun go to No.1 ** They have the same no. of points. Neither is rostered. Look at overall head-to-head tournament finishing positions: Uriel finish 26, Chaos finish 32 ==> Uriel are No.30. [By way of further explanation, Uriel weren't at Leicester, but in the tournament where both Uriel and Chaos were present, Uriel finished higher.] *** Red are geo. Phat'Eds aren't. So RedII go above them. [Phat'Eds elected to play as an unrostered team to make it easier for them to ensure they could get a team out.] Thats it for now - look out for the Tour Flya. Si ------------------------ Simon Hill 532D Whitehall Rd New Farnley LEEDS LS12 5HZ 0113 289 0971 amtsjh@amsta.leeds.ac.uk ------------------------ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Apr 21 11:18:23 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id LAA10189 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 11:00:59 +0100 (BST) Received: from exchangesmtp.spencerstuart.com (spencerstuart.com [206.183.83.99]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA10154 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 11:00:53 +0100 (BST) Received: by spencerstuart.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id <JCFG423N>; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 05:00:33 -0500 Message-ID: <A9131453DEF9D011A8570000F64A54718310D4@LONMAIL> From: "Ziants, Wayne" <WZiants@spencerstuart.com> To: "'Tour II TD'" <tour2@phidelta.demon.co.uk> Cc: "'britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk'" <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Tour II Spirit Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 05:00:45 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Excuse me, but....I know things were a bit hectic at the end on Sunday evening, and I'm sure Sneeeky's were fine-spirited and all that, but are K-Niggets really being denied the Spirit award simply because there was no-one from their team within earshot as Chris did the spiel. Either the team with most Spirit votes was K-Niggets and they should be recognised as such, or they weren't, in which case why were they originally announced as winners? SOTG deserves a little more respect imho. Apart from that, great tourney, through the wind and the rain... HF&S Wayne Fingers 6 _______________________________________________________________ Wayne Ziants Tel (home): +44 (0)181 877 0622 Tel (office): +44 (0)171 298 3365 E-mail: wziants@spencerstuart.com Coffee: milk, 2 sugars & a spoon > -----Original Message----- > From: Tour II TD [SMTP:tour2@phidelta.demon.co.uk] > Sent: Monday, April 20, 1998 8:57 PM > To: BritDisc; Merrick Cardew > Subject: v2.0: Tour II - Results > > Nobody else seems to have noticed yet.... > but I forgot to mention: > > SPIRIT OF THE GAME went to SNEEEKYS > > From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Apr 21 11:48:32 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id LAA18516 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 11:41:55 +0100 (BST) Received: from mercury.king.ac.uk (mercury.king.ac.uk [141.241.4.24]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA18502 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 11:41:50 +0100 (BST) Received: from bob.king.ac.uk by mercury.king.ac.uk with SMTP (MMTA 2) with ESMTP; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 11:41:41 +0100 Received: from BOB/SpoolDir by bob.king.ac.uk (Mercury 1.40); 21 Apr 98 11:43:52 +0100 Received: from SpoolDir by BOB (Mercury 1.40); 21 Apr 98 11:43:40 +0100 From: Sick Boy <k967338@kingston.ac.uk> Organization: Kingston University To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 11:43:30 +0100 Subject: Spirit generally X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.54) Message-ID: <1317F19224C@bob.king.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Before I begin, I'll admit to being a little sour at discovering we won the spirit vote in only our second ever outdoor tournament and didn't end up getting it. I have brought together a collection of totally new players to the sport who would have gone ape about winning Spirit. But what follows is not driven by that (well, not much anyway). What the hell is going on with spirit? Wayne quite rightly said "Nobody else seemed to notice" who the Spirit vote went to, yet somebody did notice a cock-up in the final positions. I applauded, and still do, the advent of the Tour. It makes Ultimate feel more like a proper sport and forces teams to be more organised (take things more seriously), but has anyone else noticed a slight malady in spirit as a result? Ultim8 as I see it is about the best 8 teams in the country, and everyone else trying to be one of those 8. It makes sense that at the highest level of the game the way spirit manifests itself is going to be different (not an attack on spirit of top teams - so don't have a go), but what about below that? I came across some pretty raw attempts at spirit this weekend. Back to the spirit award this weekend. I guess it might be fair to say that we should have been there, but we stayed until the end of the final, and then got the hell out of the rain. We had no idea (we thought our spirit was pretty poor this weekend), and so we left. I'm as guilty as the next man for not noticing or caring who got spirit, but it is still important to Ultimate in this country isn't it? I remember telling people that I was recruiting for the new team that winning was very important, but that the Spirit of the Game was essential to the sport. I think some people got involved for that very reason. Let's not lose sight of that. Cheers Colin ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Colin "Sick Boy" Smith "K-Niggets" Ultimate Club Kingston University K967338@kingston.ac.uk Pager: 04325 376966 From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Apr 21 11:48:51 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id LAA15700 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 11:27:37 +0100 (BST) Received: from amsta.leeds.ac.uk (amsta.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA15681 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 11:27:32 +0100 (BST) Received: from newton.leeds.amsta (newton.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.64]) by amsta.leeds.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA20496; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 11:28:25 +0100 (BST) Received: by newton.leeds.amsta (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA26037; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 11:30:36 +0100 Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 11:30:36 +0100 From: amtsjh@amsta.leeds.ac.uk (S J Hill) Message-Id: <199804211030.LAA26037@newton.leeds.amsta> To: tour2@phidelta.demon.co.uk, WZiants@spencerstuart.com Subject: Re: Tour II Spirit Cc: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk > Excuse me, but....I know things were a bit hectic at the end on Sunday > evening, and I'm sure Sneeeky's were fine-spirited and all that, but are > K-Niggets really being denied the Spirit award simply because there was > no-one from their team within earshot as Chris did the spiel. Either > the team with most Spirit votes was K-Niggets and they should be > recognised as such, or they weren't, in which case why were they > originally announced as winners? SOTG deserves a little more respect > imho. > > Apart from that, great tourney, through the wind and the rain... > HF&S > Wayne > Fingers 6 There was a 3-way tie for the SOTG - and traditionally this has been dealt with in an off-the-cuff sort of way. In this case I thought Chris did it in a pretty amusing way. Why were K-Niggets players out of earshot of Chris (ie an EXTREMELY long way away)...? The TD giving out results and prizes at the end of the tournament also deserves a little more respect... PLUS - what does a team want from the SOTG award? The silverware? or the respect from other teams? We all know that K-Niggets and Sharks also won the respect of their opponents for playing with good spirit. THAT is what counts for me. ALSO the tour votes are kept from all the tour events for the Tour SOTG Trophy... so they still might get their mits on the prizes... Looks to me like this complaint didn't come from K-Niggets, so I hope none of them (nor Sharks, nor Sneeeky's) is too upset by the situation, nor my reply. Si Defending TDs when they make a small error in a large expanse of excellence. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Apr 21 12:22:26 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id MAA23072 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 12:04:03 +0100 (BST) Received: from dryctnath.mmu.ac.uk (dryctnath.mmu.ac.uk [149.170.190.134]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA23036 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 12:03:51 +0100 (BST) Received: from yorktown.mmu.ac.uk [149.170.132.252] by dryctnath.mmu.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #1) id 0yRaq5-0006fq-00; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 12:03:49 +0100 Received: from MMU-HOL-YORKTOWN/SpoolDir by yorktown.mmu.ac.uk (Mercury 1.31); 21 Apr 98 12:03:47 GMT Received: from SpoolDir by MMU-HOL-YORKTOWN (Mercury 1.31); 21 Apr 98 12:03:34 GMT From: "Lawrence PAULSON" <L.Paulson@mmu.ac.uk> Organization: Manchester Metropolitan University To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 12:03:25 +GMT Subject: Re: Tour II Spirit X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <29E8C7D3322@yorktown.mmu.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Dear All, Before this gets out of hand- Si wrote: > There was a 3-way tie for the SOTG - and traditionally this has > been dealt with in an off-the-cuff sort of way. I think this was the problem- it wasn't clear (to me, and others presumably) that it was a 3-way tie. From the presentation it seemed like K-Niggets had won outright, but that then Chris just called out team names at random until one got a cheer. If it was a 3-way tie then fairenough. > Defending TDs when they make a small error in a large expanse > of excellence. Here! Here! Let's keep things in perspective. Love & Luck, Lawrence From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Apr 21 13:03:23 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id MAA02243 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 12:44:13 +0100 (BST) Received: from exchpk01.chelt.ac.uk (exchpk01.chelt.ac.uk [194.66.194.228]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA02214 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 12:44:04 +0100 (BST) Received: by exchpk01.chelt.ac.uk with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD6D23.1BC7BE00@exchpk01.chelt.ac.uk>; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 12:43:39 +0100 Message-ID: <c=GB%a=_%p=CHELT%l=EXCHPK01-980421114338Z-1120@exchpk01.chelt.ac.uk> From: "HUGHES, Chris" <CHughes@chelt.ac.uk> To: "'Ziants, Wayne'" <WZiants@spencerstuart.com>, "'Tour II TD'" <tour2@phidelta.demon.co.uk> Cc: "'britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk'" <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: RE: Tour II Spirit Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 12:43:38 +0100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Okay, At the end of the tournament a large number of teams had voted for Spirit, although not all. We were faced with a three way tie, complicated by the fact that all these teams were on three votes (a total of seventeen teams were nominated). So tied were, K-Niggets, Sharks and Sneeekys. And whilst the initial selection of K-Niggets appeared rather arbitrary, they are a new team and so I made an executive decision and decided to award the prize to them. They weren't there; so we could either hold the spirit trophy and give it later, or reward those hardy souls who had stayed. I then had the idea of asking the crowd, who they would rather win, and the vote was fairly unanimous. So in answer to your question, they didn't win OUTRIGHT, and so we had to split the tie (something we are doing a lot recently actually!). For the tour SOTG all the nominated teams will get their full quota of votes carried through. Chris -----Original Message----- From: Ziants, Wayne [SMTP:WZiants@spencerstuart.com] Sent: 21 April 1998 11:01 To: 'Tour II TD' Cc: 'britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk' Subject: Tour II Spirit Excuse me, but....I know things were a bit hectic at the end on Sunday evening, and I'm sure Sneeeky's were fine-spirited and all that, but are K-Niggets really being denied the Spirit award simply because there was no-one from their team within earshot as Chris did the spiel. Either the team with most Spirit votes was K-Niggets and they should be recognised as such, or they weren't, in which case why were they originally announced as winners? SOTG deserves a little more respect imho. Apart from that, great tourney, through the wind and the rain... HF&S Wayne Fingers 6 _______________________________________________________________ Wayne Ziants Tel (home): +44 (0)181 877 0622 Tel (office): +44 (0)171 298 3365 E-mail: wziants@spencerstuart.com Coffee: milk, 2 sugars & a spoon > -----Original Message----- > From: Tour II TD [SMTP:tour2@phidelta.demon.co.uk] > Sent: Monday, April 20, 1998 8:57 PM > To: BritDisc; Merrick Cardew > Subject: v2.0: Tour II - Results > > Nobody else seems to have noticed yet.... > but I forgot to mention: > > SPIRIT OF THE GAME went to SNEEEKYS > > From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Apr 21 13:04:10 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id MAA04654 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 12:53:19 +0100 (BST) Received: from mercury.king.ac.uk (mercury.king.ac.uk [141.241.4.24]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA04603 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 12:53:05 +0100 (BST) Received: from bob.king.ac.uk by mercury.king.ac.uk with SMTP (MMTA 2) with ESMTP; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 12:52:58 +0100 Received: from BOB/SpoolDir by bob.king.ac.uk (Mercury 1.40); 21 Apr 98 12:55:09 +0100 Received: from SpoolDir by BOB (Mercury 1.40); 21 Apr 98 12:54:43 +0100 From: Sick Boy <k967338@kingston.ac.uk> Organization: Kingston University To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 12:54:35 +0100 Subject: SOTG X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.54) Message-ID: <132AE5D4D2B@bob.king.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Three way tie sounds cool to me. Nice to be mentioned alongside Sneeekys and Sharks when it comes to spirit. Congrats to them and thanks to who-ever voted for us. Cheers Colin ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Colin "Sick Boy" Smith "K-Niggets" Ultimate Club Kingston University K967338@kingston.ac.uk Pager: 04325 376966 From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Apr 21 13:13:15 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id MAA01457 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 12:40:54 +0100 (BST) Received: from cheech.ihug.co.nz (cheech.ihug.co.nz [203.29.160.9]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA01353 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 12:40:11 +0100 (BST) Received: from p29-max30.auck.ihug.co.nz (p29-max30.auck.ihug.co.nz [207.212.239.29]) by cheech.ihug.co.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA18906 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 23:39:46 +1200 Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 23:39:46 +1200 Message-Id: <199804211139.XAA18906@cheech.ihug.co.nz> X-Sender: posters@pop.ihug.co.nz X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: WILLIAM JAMES FITZGERALD <posters@icarus.ihug.co.nz> Subject: Endzones or keyholes?? Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi y'all As now its heading into the winter months down here in the southern hemisphere, we are starting our indoor season here in auckland and would like gather some opinions on either arguments for or against enzones or keyholes when playing indoor. take into account that down here we do play a tight game, so constructive opinion would be appreciated. Of note this is a good forum to delvelop the game around the world, not just some talking shop of "who i'm going to pitch my tent to? next summer!"It sounds like some people have an axe to grind.(my opinion) concrats on getting info to this part of the world. Mike O'Meara From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Apr 21 15:48:05 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id PAA10149 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 15:31:36 +0100 (BST) Received: from kestrel.mcg.gla.ac.uk (kestrel.mcg.gla.ac.uk [130.209.192.8]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA10108 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 15:31:25 +0100 (BST) Received: from mcg.gla.ac.uk (jim-pc [130.209.192.55]) by kestrel.mcg.gla.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA15506 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 15:12:01 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <353CADB9.E9C8F877@mcg.gla.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 15:31:21 +0100 From: Lucy Smallwood <lucy@mcg.gla.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Britdisc <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: BUF web site Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Could someone tell me who manages the BUF web site? I've just tried filling in the (very) little form on the web site and it came up with an error when I tried to send it. I was quite surprised to find no "mailto" options on any of the pages. Is that because someone is worried about the amount of complaining email they would receive? :-) Lucy, Mud Culture -- ______________________________________________________________ Lucy Smallwood EMAIL: lucy@mcg.gla.ac.uk TEL: +44 (0)141 330 6237 FAX: +44 (0)141 337 1922 Multimedia Communications Group Department of Psychology University of Glasgow 52 Hillhead Street Glasgow G12 8QB From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Apr 21 16:33:36 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id QAA20024 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 16:17:04 +0100 (BST) Received: from monsoon.dial.pipex.net (monsoon.dial.pipex.net [158.43.128.69]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA19972 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 16:16:57 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199804211516.QAA19972@pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Received: (qmail 6931 invoked from network); 21 Apr 1998 15:16:56 -0000 Received: from usern426.uk.uudial.com (HELO default) (193.149.84.205) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 21 Apr 1998 15:16:56 -0000 Reply-To: <Matthew.Lowe@dial.pipex.com> From: "Matthew Lowe" <Matthew.Lowe@dial.pipex.com> To: <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Re: BUF web site Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 14:59:35 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk I had the same problem with the BUF page and the form and it held back my registering of a team for a good few months. This kind of problem should really be sorted, and the BUF page kept well up to date as this is possibly one of the best sources of information on Ultimate in the UK to be found by beginners. Don't get me wrong the page looks great. But it should be full of up to date info on Tour events, club etc so new comers can really get involved in the sport. Matt(Sunz) Matthew.Lowe@Dial.pipex.com ---------- > From: Lucy Smallwood <lucy@mcg.gla.ac.uk> > To: Britdisc <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> > Subject: BUF web site > Date: 21 April 1998 15:31 > > Could someone tell me who manages the BUF web site? I've just tried > filling in the (very) little form on the web site and it came up with an > error when I tried to send it. > > I was quite surprised to find no "mailto" options on any of the pages. > Is that because someone is worried about the amount of complaining email > they would receive? :-) > > Lucy, Mud Culture > -- > ______________________________________________________________ > > Lucy Smallwood EMAIL: lucy@mcg.gla.ac.uk > TEL: +44 (0)141 330 6237 > FAX: +44 (0)141 337 1922 > Multimedia Communications Group > Department of Psychology > University of Glasgow > 52 Hillhead Street > Glasgow G12 8QB > From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Apr 21 17:25:37 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id RAA01180 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 17:08:49 +0100 (BST) Received: from ntintel1.webleicester.co.uk ([195.146.160.4]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA01151 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 17:08:43 +0100 (BST) Received: by NTINTEL1 with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id <28A2QLJ3>; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 17:09:02 +0100 Message-ID: <F0D82C9F1A89D1118B3700E0290F4299037289@NTINTEL1> From: Ian Scotland <Scott@webleicester.net> To: Lucy Smallwood <lucy@mcg.gla.ac.uk>, Britdisc <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: RE: BUF web site - JOB OPPORTUNITY Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 17:09:01 +0100 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id RAA01159 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Lucy, > Could someone tell me who manages the BUF web site? I've just tried > filling in the (very) little form on the web site and it came > up with an > error when I tried to send it. You wouldn't be volunteering for the job by any chance would you?! The pages are currently hosted free by webleicester, the co. that are foolish enough to employ me! I set up the pages so that the BUF had something on the web, but simply don't have the time to do the kind of job on the site it deserves, or for that matter to manage/webmaster the site...... > I was quite surprised to find no "mailto" options on any of the pages. > Is that because someone is worried about the amount of > complaining email > they would receive? :-) Not quite! There is no webmaster who cares! NB: If you think this sounds flippant and cynical then bare in mind there are many more people with opinions and helpful ideas than there are those who would do something constructive about it. JOB OPPORTUNITY - WEBMASTER for the BUF Website! Salary: £00,000 plus expenses (you even get to use your own car!) Location: Omni-present Description: Develop the BUF website (currently written in ASP) so that it conveys the BUF's message to the world! You will be responsible to the BUF Finance and General Purposes Committee and will take SH*t of anyone who has every used word to create a web page. Being serious for a moment.... This is a position which needs to be filled by someone who realises what is involved. Scott From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Apr 21 18:38:13 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id SAA14508 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 18:22:56 +0100 (BST) Received: from polaris.kbw.co.uk (dns1.kbw.co.uk [193.132.201.37]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA14494 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 18:22:53 +0100 (BST) Received: by dns1.kbw.co.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id <JGDAKT0C>; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 18:28:26 +0100 Message-ID: <DE5F813EE256D1118E8400A024889FA6151EE8@dns1.kbw.co.uk> From: Roger Thomson <Roger@kbw.co.uk> To: Britdisc <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: RE: BUF web site - JOB OPPORTUNITY Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 18:28:25 +0100 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk I think we're suffering from: 1) more and more people having seen good web sites while surfing; 2) these same people underestimating the amount of work which goes into creating a site of that quality, let alone maintaining it. We could have a great BUF web site.....but there's no way Scottie can do it all on his own; IMHO the BUF web job should be split between at least one programmer/designer and someone else updating the database of content (results/news items). I think if Scott had the support of someone filling in the words and pictures (ie being in editorial control), he wouldn't have got so swamped and we could really move the site forward. Big question - Is it worth it? It's alot of one or two peoples' time and we must weigh up the benefits before we set off down any particular path. Anyway, ANY TIME YOU UTI YOUNGSTERS!!!!! cya Roger PS see http://www.kbw.co.uk/shotgun for our web site if you haven't already. PPS see http://www.number-10.gov.uk for an example of what I do during the day. This site was launched last week, and yes, we did get to meet Tony. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Apr 22 12:51:26 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id MAA15606 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 12:33:59 +0100 (BST) Received: from lupin (stumb@lupin-fddi [137.205.4.7]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA15591 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 12:33:56 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 12:33:49 +0100 (BST) From: Satvik Chotai <stumb@csv.warwick.ac.uk> X-Sender: stumb@lupin To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Warwick Indoors Pickups Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.980422122340.19092A-100000@lupin> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id MAA15596 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Dear all, There have been a number of requests for possible pickup places at this weekends tournament. As there is still room for a couple more teams, we are happy for any players to come along and we will organise some pickup teams, a bit like a Hat tourny. The cost will be £10 per player, payable on the day. Accommodation will be available if required. Just to keep us updated on the sort of numbers to expect, please try and e-mail us before the weekend if possible, especially if you want directions. Some tournament details: Saturday - captains meeting 9am, games start 9.30am, social in the evening. Sunday - late start (around 12.30) with the possibility of a few friendly outdoor games in the morning for those early birds! Contact us- Jim - e-mail stuly@csv.warwick.ac.uk or Sat - e- mail stumb@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tel. 0958 435956 Cheers. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Apr 22 12:55:17 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id MAA19712 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 12:50:56 +0100 (BST) Received: from lupin (stumb@lupin-fddi [137.205.4.7]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA19696 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 12:50:52 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 12:50:50 +0100 (BST) From: Satvik Chotai <stumb@csv.warwick.ac.uk> X-Sender: stumb@lupin To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Warwick Indoors Social Special! Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.980422123442.19092B-100000@lupin> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id MAA19697 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk To those of you coming this weekend... There will be a social on the saturday evening (of course!) which will be free, but this message is directed more towards the serious party people! The Mixmag Ultimatum Tour (stet) is coming to the students union that nite, from 9pm until 2 or 3am. Dj's include: Carl Cox + other Ultimatum Dj's in the main arena with Photek, Doc Scott, Optical and other Metalheadz people in the Drum&Bass arena. With a name like this and such a great line up, how can u refuse? The downside is the price, tickets cost £10. These should be available on the nite but this is not certain. If you want us to get you them in advance then get in touch asap. As we are providing accommodation we should be able to match you up with other Warwick students also going, meaning you wont get left without a place to crash. Thanks Sat e-mail stumb@csv.warwick.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Apr 22 16:07:12 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id PAA06402 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 15:58:49 +0100 (BST) Received: from mail2.lancs.ac.uk (mail2.lancs.ac.uk [148.88.8.13]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA06317 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 15:58:31 +0100 (BST) Received: from mail2.lancs.ac.uk (actually host localhost) by mail2.lancs.ac.uk with Local SMTP (PP); Wed, 22 Apr 1998 15:55:13 +0100 Received: from unixc.lancs.ac.uk (unixc.lancs.ac.uk [148.88.16.116]) by mail2.lancs.ac.uk with SpooMTA 1.23; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 15:55:13 +0000 Received: (from ultimate@localhost) by unixc.lancs.ac.uk (8.8.4/8.6.12) id PAA08173; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 15:54:28 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 15:54:27 +0100 (BST) From: Lancaster Ultimate <ultimate@lancaster.ac.uk> To: britdisc <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: FISHNET - RESERVOIR FISH WEB PAGE Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.980422155056.7668A-100000@unixc.lancs.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk G'day All, Please come check out Lancaster University's Ultimate Page at http://www.lancs.ac.uk/socs/ultimate/ Cheers, Shaun (Mr Sole) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Apr 22 17:03:04 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id PAA02151 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 15:43:49 +0100 (BST) Received: from wadham.chem.ed.ac.uk (wadham.chem.ed.ac.uk [129.215.220.156]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA02122 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 15:43:43 +0100 (BST) Received: from wadham (wadham [129.215.220.156]) by wadham.chem.ed.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id PAA08002 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 15:35:25 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <353E002C.76EB@chem.ed.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 15:35:24 +0100 From: Emma Beatty <emmab@chem.ed.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (X11; I; SunOS 5.4 sun4m) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Britdisc <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: SCOTTISH WOMENS ULTIMATE TEAM Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk How would you like to play for Scottish Womens Ultimate team? Those of us involved in the initial discussions would like to get together with all the women who play ultimate in Scotland and get organised. The idea is to meet one weekend, to discuss ideas, play some women's ultimate, tell crap jokes (compulsory), drink lots and have a good time. We would like all female ultimate players who live in Scotland (no matter what your standard) with a desire to play ultimate and the drive, determination and commitment needed to work towards playing at a high standard. The date for the gathering is the weekend of the 16th/17th of May. This is the weekend of the Scottish outdoor Ultimate league finals, so chances are your team will be coming to Edinburgh anyway. Over the weekend we hope to get together for a discussion session, a training session and a all women game. On a more serious note, there is a big party organised for that night too. To recap: Date:16/17 MAY Place:Edinburgh with Sneeekys Please contact Emma with any questions and to confirm your attendance. Contact person: Emma Beatty phone: 0131 667 5336(h) email: emmab@chem.ed.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Apr 23 13:57:22 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id NAA22482 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 13:37:52 +0100 (BST) Received: from smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk (smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk [193.114.232.134]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA22473 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 13:37:50 +0100 (BST) From: Wayne_Retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk Received: from ccMail by smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk (IMA Internet Exchange 3.0 Enterprise) id 0000150C; Thu, 23 Apr 98 13:38:14 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 13:36:59 +0100 Message-ID: <0000150C.eval@watsonwyatt.co.uk> Subject: Twin Peaks @ Event II To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk, merrick.cardew@g4tech.co.uk Cc: chughes@chelt.ac.uk, layoutdreams@phidelta.demon.co.uk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk British Ultimate Federation Ultim8 Tour 1998 Twin Peaks @ Event II As a result of Layout Dreams (TD) decision to truncate the results of the Saturday pool games, the calculations for a 3 way tie relegated Twin Peaks to the 21-24 RoundRobin, rather than progressing them to the 13-20 Knockout. Twin Peaks have registered an Official Complaint with the Tournament Directors, which has been referred to the Ultim8 Committee (U8C). Simon Hill (BUF Director of Competitions, U8 Tour Director) requested that he not be included in the discussions as he has a vested interest in the outcome. The remainder of U8C have carefully reviewed the decision made by Layout Dreams to truncate the results, and the calculations involved. U8C agrees that the decision has had an adverse effect on Twin Peaks progress, both in Event II and the Tour as a whole, and that some recompense should be made. U8C have decided that Twin Peaks POINTS should be adjusted to that appropriate for their qualifying for the 13-20 Knockout, but not winning any further games, i.e. finishing 20/32, for which 65 points are awarded. Twin Peaks recorded finishing POSITION for the Event, however, will not be adjusted. This decision shall be effective immediately, and the Event Results and Tour Rankings adjusted accordingly. To summarise: Twin Peaks are awarded 65 points for finishing 23/32 at Event II; These points shall be used in the calculation of Twin Peaks overall Tour Ranking, and for Seeding at future Events. A full report will be available to anybody who'd like to read it, upon request. Wayne Retter Tour Rankings Officer Ultim8 Committee 1998 apologies for the standard company disclaimer that follows... ________________________________________________________________ Notice of Confidentiality This transmission is intended for the named addressee only. It contains information which may be confidential and which may also be privileged. Unless you are the named addressee (or authorised to receive it for the addressee) you may not copy or use it, or disclose it to anyone else. If you have received this transmission in error please contact: ~admin@watsonwyatt.co.uk or IT Manager: +44(0)1737 241144 Fax: +44(0)1737 241496 Watson Wyatt Partners is regulated by the Institute of Actuaries in the conduct of UK investment business. _________________________________________________________________ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Apr 23 16:29:32 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id QAA29204 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 16:07:54 +0100 (BST) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA29186 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 16:07:51 +0100 (BST) Received: from ultimatum.demon.co.uk ([158.152.203.174]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa2026469; 23 Apr 98 14:58 GMT Subject: London Ultimate Session - working on it Date: Thu, 23 Apr 98 16:05:50 +0100 x-sender: ultimatum@pop3.demon.co.uk x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: Paul Hurt <paul@ultimatum.demon.co.uk> To: BritDisc <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Message-ID: <893343489.2026469.0@ultimatum.demon.co.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi all London Ultimate Session - open practice and summer league --------------------------------------------------------- Just writing to update everyone on the situation - I'm still talking to Lambeth Council about booking pitches on Clapham Common. They've promised (today) to look into again it and speak to me on Monday when the chap who has the final say gets back from some course he's doing. Ho hum. In the meantime, we might as well just try and get started without their help. I'm proposing a similar system to last year - three "league" teams playing a double round-robin. So one league game, and a separate pickup game each week. Which day of the week we play has yet to be looked into, and I'll try and sort this out tonight. But if you're a reasonably experienced player, and you're interested in playing regularly for a league team, please mail me back now and I'll put you on the list. I need: * your name * your e-mail address * your phone number (daytime no. too, if possible) * the BUF team you normally play for (so I can vaguely work out who you are if I don't know you) Info about what the LUS is and how it worked last year is on the web at: http://www.ultimatum.demon.co.uk/lus/ More later Bye Paul --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Hurt Editor, Ultimatum Magazine, London, England editor@ultimatum.demon.co.uk Visit Ultimatum Online... http://www.ultimatum.demon.co.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Apr 24 12:41:32 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id MAA29858 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 12:26:14 +0100 (BST) Received: from firewall1.lehman.com (firewall.Lehman.COM [192.147.65.66]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA29826 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 12:26:03 +0100 (BST) Received: from relay.messaging-svcs2.lehman.com by firewall1.lehman.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id HAA12212; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 07:25:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from london123.lehman.com by relay.messaging-svcs2.lehman.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA21445; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 07:24:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from london123 (localhost) by london123.lehman.com (4.1/Lehman Bros. V1.6) id AA08948; Fri, 24 Apr 98 12:24:32 BST Message-Id: <35407670.19A13460@lehman.com> Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 12:24:32 +0100 From: Aram Flores <aflores@lehman.com> Organization: Lehman Brothers, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (X11; I; SunOS 4.1.3 sun4m) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: BritDisc <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Wall Street Journal Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk BDer's, Not so lovely article about Ultimate on the front page of the US WSJ (Friday April 24). Its available in the on-line version if you suscribe (even temporarily), but I wouldn't tell your parents about it. Aram - Shotgun Ultimate From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Apr 24 15:53:29 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id PAA10850 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 15:26:41 +0100 (BST) Received: from primrose (stumb@primrose [137.205.192.26]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA10831; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 15:26:37 +0100 (BST) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 15:26:35 +0100 (BST) From: Satvik Chotai <stumb@csv.warwick.ac.uk> X-Sender: stumb@primrose To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk cc: es036@mdx.ac.uk, ahj194@soton.ac.uk Subject: Warwick Indoors: times+directions Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.980424151613.15212B-100000@primrose> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk To those teams and individuals coming to the tournament this weekend, here are some late directions to Warwick university: >From the North: M1, M69 follow the routes marked WARWICK(A46), then follow the signs to the University. >From the South: M1, M45, A45 or M40, A46, follow signs to the University. >From the East: join the M1, then follow directions as for travel from north or south. >From the West: M5, M42, A45, follow signs for University. Captains meeting at 9am, particularly important for anyone wanting to join a pickup team. There are still places available for any players who want to play pickup, just turn up on the saturday. Thanks. Sat. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Apr 24 16:14:38 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id PAA18247 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 15:59:57 +0100 (BST) Received: from lupin (stumb@lupin-fddi [137.205.4.7]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA18239 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 15:59:56 +0100 (BST) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 15:59:54 +0100 (BST) From: Satvik Chotai <stumb@csv.warwick.ac.uk> X-Sender: stumb@lupin To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Warwick Indoors: directions+times Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.980424155355.10376A-100000@lupin> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Here are some late directions for those of you coming this weekend: Warwick University by road >From the North: M1, M69 follow the by-pass marked WARWICK(A46), then follow the signs to the university. >From the South: M1, M45, A45 or M40, A46, follow the signs to the university. >From the East: join the M1 then follow directions as for travel from the North or South. >From the West: M5, M42, A45 then follow signs for university. Captains meeting is at 9am on saturday, this is particularly important for those of you wanting to play pickup. There are still places available for players wanting to join pickup teams, just turn up on saturday. Thanks Sat. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sat Apr 25 00:17:55 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id XAA19245 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 23:57:13 +0100 (BST) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA19216 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 23:57:09 +0100 (BST) Received: from (phidelta.demon.co.uk) [158.152.248.177] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0ySrP2-00071U-00; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 23:57:08 +0100 Message-ID: <PU4qZIA9SPQ1Ewd+@phidelta.demon.co.uk> Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 21:23:25 +0100 To: BritDisc <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> From: "Fluid Druids Ultimate Team (Wayne Retter)" <druid@phidelta.demon.co.uk> Subject: Brugge tournament - live by WebCam MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Trial Version 3.04 <pjZRgFWDsQK5ViyP$l4rxVrb6a> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk For those of you who have nothing better to do than use your computer at the weekends (particularly 2+3 May 1998) it would seem that the Brugge Tournament will be broadcasting live on the web! If you can't actually get out and play - you may get to see Druids, Red, Nightfever, Red Shift and Violently Happy in action! Wayne ------- Forwarded message follows ------- An important message to all teams comming to Brugge: our site has moved to http://www.brugge.com/freezzzbeezzz Glenn Freezzz Beezzz Brugge ................................................ : FLUID DRUIDS : : theultimatefrisbeeteam : : druid@dreamer.demon.co.uk : : http://www.dreamer.demon.co.uk/druids/ : :..............................................: From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Apr 27 08:00:44 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id HAA29975 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 07:47:04 +0100 (BST) Received: from gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (ralf@gem [137.205.227.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA29968 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 07:47:02 +0100 (BST) Received: (from ralf@localhost) by gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA27656 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 07:47:01 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 07:47:01 +0100 (BST) From: Ranulf Doswell <ralf@dcs.warwick.ac.uk> Message-Id: <199804270647.HAA27656@gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: BFDF Events Reminder Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk British Flying Disc Federation Disc Events Diary ------------------------------------------------ The events list can also be found at http://www.dcs.warwick.ac.uk/~ralf/bfdf/ ---------- Saturday 2nd May 1998 GB Training (Open and Women) (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Scottish Open, Isle of Mull [Golf] Student Outdoors (2 days) @ Leicester [Students' Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Simon Weeks Email gga95sew@sheffield.ac.uk Phone 0114 222 9999 ext 52252 Saturday 9th May 1998 Tour III (2 days) @ Birmingham [Outdoor Ultimate] TD Charlie Mead Email charles.mead@easynet.co.uk Sunday 17th May 1998 GB Masters Practice (1 day) @ Univeristy of Warwick, near Coventry [Masters Outdoor Ultimate Practice] The field adjacent to the sports hall. Contact David MacKay Email mackay@mrao.cam.ac.uk Phone (01223) 339852 fax: 354599 home: 276411 URL http://wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk/mackay/ Thursday 21st May 1998 Rotterdam (4 days) [Outdoor Ultimate Abroad] Saturday 23rd May 1998 Mad Kows KowPat '98 (2 days) @ Open University, Kilton Keynes [Outdoor Ultimate] URL: http://www.mk.dmu.ac.uk/~mstacey/Ultimate/kowpat.htm Space for 16 teams, camping available. Contact Laurie Ritchie Email l.j.ritchie@cranfield.ac.uk URL http://www-cs.open.ac.uk/~martin/pages/Mad_Kows.html Saturday 30th May 1998 Chaos Outdoors (2 days) @ Trent Park, N. London [Outdoor Ultimate] 16 teams. Camping available. Contact Dan Jones Phone 0181 364 1652 Contact Jo Nurney Email JN061@mdx.ac.uk BDGA Golf (2 days) TBC @ Hayling Island, Southampton [Golf] WizOpen '98 (3 days) @ Geneva [Outdoor Ultimate Abroad] URL: http://www.wizards.ch/WizOpen.htm Contact Yves Maumary Email speedy@wizards.ch Saturday 6th June 1998 ??? (2 days) TBC @ Cambridge [Outdoor Ultimate] Open and Juniors Contact David MacKay Email mackay@mrao.cam.ac.uk Phone (01223) 339852 fax: 354599 home: 276411 URL http://wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk/mackay/ Fiesta (2 days) TBC [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 13th June 1998 GB Training (Open and Women) (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Quarry Park, Warwickshire [Golf] Sunday 14th June 1998 GB Masters Practice (1 day) TBC [Masters Outdoor Ultimate Practice] Contact David MacKay Email mackay@mrao.cam.ac.uk Phone (01223) 339852 fax: 354599 home: 276411 URL http://wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk/mackay/ Saturday 20th June 1998 Tour IV (2 days) @ Southampton [Outdoor Ultimate] TD Tim Woolford Email tww93si@soton.ac.uk Saturday 27th June 1998 Junior Outdoors (2 days) @ Adam's Grammar School, Newport, Shropshire [Junior Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Rowena Gill Email maths.adamsg@mail.adamsg.rmplc.co.uk Saturday 4th July 1998 GB Training (Open and Women) (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 11th July 1998 Tour V (2 days) @ Double Locks, Exeter [Outdoor Ultimate] TD Kevin Lowe Email kevinl@curved-logic.com Saturday 18th July 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Whitcombe, Dorset [Golf] Saturday 25th July 1998 GB Training (Open and Women) (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 1st August 1998 Ross-On-Wye (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 8th August 1998 GB Training (Open and Women) (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Friday 14th August 1998 Worlds (10 days) [Outdoor Ultimate Abroad] Saturday 15th August 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Essex University [Golf] Saturday 22nd August 1998 Something Fun (2 days) @ Hitchin, Herts [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Layout Dreams Email tour2@phidelta.demon.co.uk URL http://www.phidelta.demon.co.uk/ Saturday 29th August 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) TBC @ Perth or Edinburgh [Golf] Friday 11th September 1998 BUF Open (3 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 19th September 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Burnlaw, Horthumberland [Golf] Saturday 26th September 1998 Nationals 98 (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 24th October 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Whitcombe, Dorset [Golf Handicap] ---------------------------------------------------------- British Flying Disc Federation Disc Events Diary http://www.dcs.warwick.ac.uk/~ralf/bfdf/ Ranulf Doswell, ralf@dcs.warwick.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Apr 27 09:53:11 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id JAA13529 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 09:40:11 +0100 (BST) Received: from newsgate.dircon.co.uk (uugate1.dircon.co.uk [194.112.50.20]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA13521 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 09:40:09 +0100 (BST) From: laurab@ehs.co.uk Received: from ehs.co.uk (uucp@localhost) by newsgate.dircon.co.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with UUCP id JAA11083 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 09:39:26 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199804270839.JAA11083@newsgate.dircon.co.uk> Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 9:27:55 +0100 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: FW: Flying disc and the WSJ MIME-version: 1.0 (Created by TFS) Content-Type: text/plain ; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: TFS Gateway V210U0822M Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id JAA13522 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Ultimate has made the front page of the Wall Street Journal last week - for all the wrong reasons- see below. ---------- Let's Get Ready to Rumble! Roughhousing In Ultimate Frisbee May Lead to Referees By ROSS KERBER Staff Reporter of THE WALL STREET JOURNAL After a score by the Port City Slickers in a big ultimate-frisbee game against the Seattle Sockeye team two seasons ago, an exultant Slicker spiked the disk, prompting angry protests from Sockeye defender Ed Avery. What happened then made frisbee history. After players including Slickers veteran Mike Gerics joined the argument, Mr. Avery emerged from the crowd wiping his forehead. "He spit on me!" a disbelieving Mr. Avery shouted, putting the finger on Mr. Gerics. Mr. Gerics later received a one-year suspension that began last summer. It was the first such ban, and to many of the sport's devotees, a disturbing sign of the times. Athleticism of Yore <Picture: [Media]> Jon Gerwitz and Jim Parinella "In the old days, teams ... would just throw it deep and beat you with their athleticism," says Kevin Givens, an organizer at the University of California at Santa Cruz. "Now, they'll intentionally foul you, cussing the other players. That's not in the spirit of the game." Mike O'Dowd, a veteran of San Francisco's powerful Double Happiness team, says he may retire rather than play with new teammates who fight and talk trash. "The team I started with was a kinder, gentler team," says Mr O'Dowd. These days, he says, "any big game becomes a matter of ill will." Founded in the antiauthoritarian 1960s, ultimate frisbee is having an identity crisis. Once played by a few iconoclasts at New Jersey high schools, the disk-hurling game patterned loosely after touch football has grown into a sport of about 65,000 competitors, with amateur leagues, a national tournament and a governing body -- the Ultimate Players Association -- that dreams of TV contracts and Olympic recognition. But to purists, the growth has attracted too many people who cheat, argue and hack, leading to proposals for something the sport has never had -- full-fledged referees. Until now, officiating has generally been limited to top tournament games -- and only when both sides agree to it. Even then the officials usually have no power to intervene on their own and can make calls only when asked by a player. It's time to stop "sociopathic behavior" on the playing field, says Jim Parinella, who plays for the national-champion Death or Glory team in Boston and who leads the call for more referee power. Full-on refereeing faces an uphill battle in a sport where breaks for beer are still common and teams favor names like We Smoke Weed, Lady Godiva and Bovine Intervention. The ultimate mainstream isn't ready for prime time -- and proud of it. Most people who play the game can't even bring themselves to use the word "referee." They prefer "observer." The antiref crowd also notes that the level of bad behavior is still far from that in sports where players choke coaches and bite off bits of ear. They also worry that more officiating would destroy the game's tradition of sportsmanship, which includes a strong honor code whereby players are encouraged to rat on themselves, and a rule book that officially decries a "win at all cost" mentality. But self-regulation doesn't always work. At last year's world-championship tournament in Vancouver, Canada, Kenny Dobyns of the Westchester County (N.Y.) Summer League All-Stars body-slammed Sockeye star Jon Gewirtz -- supposedly in retaliation for obscene taunts. With Mr. Gewirtz pinned, Mr. Dobyns whispered in his ear, "Don't let this get out of hand." At the women's national championship in Sarasota, Fla., last October, two players were benched by their captains to curtail their cursing and pushing. A year earlier, as coach for East Carolina University at the Women's Collegiate Championships, Mr. Gerics, the spitter, alleged that Sarah Savage, coach of the University of California team, was instructing her players to make illegal throws. Ms. Savage says that Mr. Gerics circled her team's huddle, hurling obscenities. "He says, 'No wonder you only have eight players, you're a hag and you chase everyone away,'" recalls Ms. Savage. She also says the ECU players were abusive on the field. "The women were literally screaming, blood vessels rupturing in their faces," Ms. Savage says. Mr. Gerics denies he used obscenities or behaved inappropriately. 'Intent to Maim?' UPA head observer Vic Kahmi says more-powerful judges also might deter recklessness. Mr. Kahmi says he recently witnessed a game in Princeton, N.J., where a North Carolina college player dived for a flying disk he had no chance of catching and crashed into the intended receiver, dislocating the poor fellow's shoulder. "Was there intent to maim? I don't think so, but he wasn't playing under control," says Mr. Kahmi. When played as designed, ultimate frisbee combines speed, grace and powerful hurling with a grueling pace. Seven-player teams try to pass the frisbee down the 70-yard field and across the opponent's goal line. Possession switches when the disk is intercepted, thrown out of bounds or touches the ground. Tackling, running with the disk or stripping it away aren't allowed during matches, which typically are played to a score of 15 or 21 and last about 90 minutes. Receivers try to break free for the overhand toss known as the "hammer" or the Hail Mary bomb called the "huck." Hurlers must pass the disk within 10 seconds according to a "stall count" called out loud by defenders. Leagues are springing up in such places as Denver and Los Angeles, adding to established groups in Silicon Valley, Washington, D.C., Boston and elsewhere. With so many talented athletes, top tournaments like one in Fredericksburg, Va., earlier this month include more pirouetting throws than a season at Shea Stadium. But the lack of referees also slows games. A match between a Carnegie Mellon University alumni team and the We Smoke Weed squad from New York featured as much negotiation as scoring. A typical pause came when Carnegie Mellon's Calvin Lin stopped a stall count to suggest that a defender had stepped on his foot. Bud Break Another delay came when New York's Mr. Dobyns, now playing for the Weed team, called timeout to pass around cans of Budweiser to his teammates. Some also shared a joint the size of a small flashlight. Afterward, the alumni team pulled away to prevail, 12-5. "We're too stoned to argue!" yelled one Weed player after an opponent called a hacking foul. Some ultimate graybeards trace the rise of aggressive behavior to Mr. Gerics, who as an undergraduate at the University of North Carolina at Wilmington and later at East Carolina, helped bowl over and heckle opponents en route to collegiate ultimate titles in 1993, 1994 and 1995. The tactics toppled Ivy League frisbee dynasties because, as Mr. Gerics puts it, "most ultimate players were kind of geeky intellectuals. East Carolina, it's not the hardest school. We're bad, we're rednecks." After graduating, Mr. Gerics joined the Port City Slickers in Wilmington, for whom he played in the infamous spitting game. Mr. Gerics, who wouldn't admit his infractions at first, now apologizes. "I'm pretty embarrassed about it," he says. But while serving out his suspension, he has found a new love -- ultimate officiating at local college tournaments in North Carolina. Players, he says, rarely dispute his calls because "I wouldn't try to get in an argument with me." From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Apr 27 09:56:14 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id JAA15552 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 09:50:58 +0100 (BST) Received: from cs1-hq.oecd.org (cs1-HQ.oecd.org [193.51.65.66]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA15410 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 09:50:22 +0100 (BST) From: Toby.GREEN@oecd.org Received: from eosgty.oecd.org (eosgty.oecd.org [10.89.5.140]) by cs1-hq.oecd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8/oecd-1.5) with ESMTP id KAA28475 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 10:52:06 +0200 (METDST) Received: by eosgty.oecd.org with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <JPV3C727>; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 10:50:11 +0200 Message-ID: <15F86CFE3AEED01197340000F802B97FDB98FE@eosm4.oecd.org> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: FW: A Wall Street Journal article in Friday's paper Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 10:50:15 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BD71B9.7CAE719C" Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------ =_NextPart_000_01BD71B9.7CAE719C Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Just in case anyone else had the trouble I had to get this article off the Wall Street Journal's website (I failed) > ---------- > From: EDWARDS Scott, ELS/CCET > Sent: Saturday, 25 April, 1998 10:09PM > To: 'atiersky@hotmail.com'; 'aakra@col.bsf.alcatel.fr'; > 'clhayes@uci.edu'; 'd.stevenson@mailcity.com'; > 'david.ross@physique.ens.fr'; 'frondeville.e@rothschild-cie.fr'; > 'ggriffith@dalet.com'; 'IMACLEAN@europem01.nt.com'; DENMAN John, IEA/ESIS; > 'ting@biomedicale.univ-paris5.fr'; 'cottrell@ipgp.jussieu.fr'; GREEN Toby, > PAC; 'Pierre Leleu' > Subject: A Wall Street Journal article in Friday's paper > > > <<PIC13978.PCX>> > > > (Embedded image moved to file: > PIC13978.PCX) > AA OnLine > e-News Story -- Wall Street Journal > > Ultimate Frisbee Gets Down and Dirty, And Some Cry Foul --- Shouting, > Spitting, Spiking And Swearing Bring Calls > > > (strikethrough: __ _ __________________________________________________ > _____________________ ___) > > > The Wall Street Journal via Dow Jones > > After a score by the Port City Slickers in a big ultimate-frisbee game > against the Seattle Sockeye team two seasons ago, an exultant Slicker > spiked the disk, prompting angry protests from Sockeye defender Ed Avery. > What happened then made frisbee history. After players including > Slickers > veteran Mike Gerics joined the argument, Mr. Avery emerged from the crowd > wiping his forehead. > > "He spit on me!" a disbelieving Mr. Avery shouted, putting the finger on > Mr. Gerics. > > Mr. Gerics later received a one-year suspension that began last summer. > It was the first such ban, and to many of the sport's devotees, a > disturbing sign of the times. > > "In the old days, teams . . . would just throw it deep and beat you with > their athleticism," says Kevin Givens, an organizer at the University of > California at Santa Cruz. "Now, they'll intentionally foul you, cussing > the other players. That's not in the spirit of the game." > > Mike O'Dowd, a veteran of San Francisco's powerful Double Happiness > team, > says he may retire rather than play with new teammates who fight and talk > trash. "The team I started with was a kinder, gentler team," says Mr. > O'Dowd. These days, he says, "any big game becomes a matter of ill will." > > Founded in the antiauthoritarian 1960s, ultimate frisbee is having an > identity crisis. Once played by a few iconoclasts at New Jersey high > schools, the disk-hurling game patterned loosely after touch football has > grown into a sport of about 65,000 competitors, with amateur leagues, a > national tournament and a governing body -- the Ultimate Players > Association -- that dreams of TV contracts and Olympic recognition. > > But to purists, the growth has attracted too many people who cheat, > argue > and hack, leading to proposals for something the sport has never had -- > full-fledged referees. Until now, officiating has generally been limited > to top tournament games -- and only when both sides agree to it. Even > then, the officials usually have no power to intervene on their own and > can make calls only when asked by a player. > > It's time to stop "sociopathic behavior" on the playing field, says Jim > Parinella, who plays for the national-champion Death or Glory team in > Boston and who leads the call for more referee power. > > Full-on refereeing faces an uphill battle in a sport where breaks for > beer are still common and teams favor names like We Smoke Weed, Lady > Godiva and Bovine Intervention. The ultimate mainstream isn't ready for > prime time -- and proud of it. Most people who play the game can't even > bring themselves to use the word "referee." They prefer "observer." > > The antiref crowd also notes that the level of bad behavior is still far > from that in sports where players choke coaches and bite off bits of ear. > They also worry that more officiating would destroy the game's tradition > of sportsmanship, which includes a strong honor code whereby players are > encouraged to rat on themselves, and a rule book that officially decries > a > "win at all cost" mentality. > > But self-regulation doesn't always work. At last year's > world-championship tournament in Vancouver, Canada, Kenny Dobyns of the > Westchester County (N.Y.) Summer League All-Stars body-slammed Sockeye > star Jon Gewirtz -- supposedly in retaliation for obscene taunts. With > Mr. > Gewirtz pinned, Mr. Dobyns whispered in his ear, "Don't let this get out > of hand." > > At the women's national championship in Sarasota, Fla., last October, > two > players were benched by their captains to curtail their cursing and > pushing. A year earlier, as coach for East Carolina University at the > Women's Collegiate Championships, Mr. Gerics, the spitter, alleged that > Sarah Savage, coach of the University of California team, was instructing > her players to make illegal throws. Ms. Savage says that Mr. Gerics > circled her team's huddle, hurling obscenities. > > "He says, `No wonder you only have eight players, you're a hag and you > chase everyone away,'" recalls Ms. Savage. She also says the ECU players > were abusive on the field. "The women were literally screaming, blood > vessels rupturing in their faces," Ms. Savage says. Mr. Gerics denies he > used obscenities or behaved inappropriately. > > UPA head observer Vic Kahmi says more-powerful judges also might deter > recklessness. Mr. Kahmi says he recently witnessed a game in Princeton, > N.J., where a North Carolina college player dived for a flying disk he > had > no chance of catching and crashed into the intended receiver, dislocating > the poor fellow's shoulder. "Was there intent to maim? I don't think so, > but he wasn't playing under control," says Mr. Kahmi. > > When played as designed, ultimate frisbee combines speed, grace and > powerful hurling with a grueling pace. Seven-player teams try to pass the > frisbee down the 70-yard field and across the opponent's goal line. > Possession switches when the disk is intercepted, thrown out of bounds or > touches the ground. Tackling, running with the disk or stripping it away > aren't allowed during matches, which typically are played to a score of > 15 > or 21 and last about 90 minutes. Receivers try to break free for the > overhand toss known as the "hammer" or the Hail Mary bomb called the > "huck." Hurlers must pass the disk within 10 seconds according to a > "stall > count" called out loud by defenders. > > Leagues are springing up in such places as Denver and Los Angeles, > adding > to established groups in Silicon Valley, Washington, D.C., Boston and > elsewhere. With so many talented athletes, top tournaments like one in > Fredericksburg, Va., earlier this month include more pirouetting throws > than a season at Shea Stadium. > > But the lack of referees also slows games. A match between a Carnegie > Mellon University alumni team and the We Smoke Weed squad from New York > featured as much negotiation as scoring. A typical pause came when > Carnegie Mellon's Calvin Lin stopped a stall count to suggest that a > defender had stepped on his foot. > Another delay came when New York's Mr. Dobyns, now playing for the Weed > team, called timeout to pass around cans of Budweiser to his teammates. > Some also shared a joint the size of a small flashlight. Afterward, the > alumni team pulled away to prevail 12-5. "We're too stoned to argue!" > yelled one Weed player after an opponent called a hacking foul. > > Some ultimate graybeards trace the rise of aggressive behavior to Mr. > Gerics, who as an undergraduate at the University of North Carolina at > Wilmington and later at East Carolina, helped bowl over and heckle > opponents en route to collegiate ultimate titles in 1993, 1994 and 1995. > The tactics toppled Ivy League frisbee dynasties because, as Mr. Gerics > puts it, "most ultimate players were kind of geeky intellectuals. East > Carolina, it's not the hardest school. We're bad, we're rednecks." > > After graduating, Mr. Gerics joined the Port City Slickers in > Wilmington, > for whom he played in the infamous spitting game. Mr. Gerics, who > wouldn't > admit his infractions at first, now apologizes. "I'm pretty embarrassed > about it," he says. > > But while serving out his suspension, he has found a new love-ultimate > officiating at local college tournaments in North Carolina. Players, he > says, rarely dispute his calls because "I wouldn't try to get in an > argument with me." > WSJviaNewsEDGE > > > ------ =_NextPart_000_01BD71B9.7CAE719C Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="PIC13978.PCX" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="PIC13978.PCX" CgUBCAAAAAAfAB8AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAABIAABAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADM/8f4x//E/8L/yf/M+MH4xv/D/8H/x//N+MT4xf/C/8H/xv/O+MX4xP/C /8H/xf/O+Mf4xP/C/8T/wfjO/8f/wfjD/8L/w//C+MH/zvjF+MH/wvjD/8H/wv/D+MH/wvjN/8L/ wvjB/8P4wv/B/8L/w/jB/8L4wf/G+MH/xvjB/8L4wf/D+ML/wf/B/8T4wf/C+MH/wfjE/8H4wf/B +MT/wfjB/8L4wf/E+ML/wf/F+MH/wfjB/8H4wf/C+MH/wfjB/8H4wf/C+MH/wfjB/8H4wf/E+MH4 wv/B/8X4wf/B+MH/wfjB/8L4wf/B+MH/wfjB/8L4wf/B+MH/wfjB/8T4wfjC/8b4wf/B+MH/wfjB /8L4wf/B+MH/wfjB/8L4wf/B+MH/wfjB/8T4wvjB/8b4wf/B+MH/wfjE/8H4wf/B+MT/wfjB/8H4 wf/E+ML4wf/G+MH/wfjB/8b4wf/G+MH/wfjB/8T4wvjB/8b4wf/B+MH/wfjE/8H4wf/B+MT/wfjB /8H4wf/E+ML4wf/G+MH/wfjB/8H4wf/C+MH/wfjB/8H4wf/C+MH/wfjB/8H4wf/E+ML4wf/G+MH/ wfjB/8H4wf/C+MH/wfjB/8H4wf/C+MH/wfjB/8H4wf/E+ML4wf/G+MH/wfjB/8H4wf/C+MH/wfjB /8H4wf/C+MH/wfjB/8H4wf/E+ML4wf/G+MH/wfjB/8H4xP/B+MH/wfjE/8H4wf/B+MH/xPjC+MH/ wf/F+MH/wfjB/8b4wf/G+MH/wfjB/8T4wfjC/8H/xfjB/8H4wf/B+MT/wfjB/8H4xP/B+MH/wfjB /8T4wfjC/8H/xfjB/8H4wf/B+MH/wvjB/8H4wf/B+MH/wvjB/8H4wf/B+MH/xPjB+ML/wv/E+MH/ wfjB/8H4wf/C+MH/wfjB/8H4wf/C+MH/wfjB/8H4wf/E+ML/wf/C/8T4wf/B+MH/wfjB/8L4wf/B +MH/wfjB/8L4wf/B+MH/wfjB/8T4wv/B/8P/w/jB/8H4wf/B+MT/wfjB/8H4xP/B+MH/wfjB/8P4 w//B/8T/wvjB/8H4wf/G+MH/xvjB/8H4wf/C+MP/wv/F/8H4wf/B+MH/xvjB/8b4wf/B+MH/wfjE /8L/xv/O+Mb4xP/C/8f/zfjE+MX/wv/B/8n/zPjB+Mb/w//B/8z/x/jH/8T/wv8MAAAAvwAAAL8A v78AAAC/vwC/AL+/wMDAwNzApMjwAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA//vwoKCkgICA/wAA AP8A//8AAAD//wD/AP////// ------ =_NextPart_000_01BD71B9.7CAE719C-- From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Apr 27 12:50:10 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id MAA28863 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 12:33:26 +0100 (BST) Received: from pp2.shef.ac.uk (pp2.shef.ac.uk [143.167.1.32]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA28822 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 12:33:18 +0100 (BST) Received: from pebley.shef.ac.uk [143.167.79.249] by pp2.shef.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.73 #1) id 0yTm9t-0004Yy-00; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 12:33:17 +0100 Received: from PEBLEY/SpoolDir by pebley.shef.ac.uk (Mercury 1.40); 27 Apr 98 12:33:17 +0100 Received: from SpoolDir by PEBLEY (Mercury 1.40); 27 Apr 98 12:33:03 +0100 From: "Simon Weeks" <GGA95SEW@sheffield.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 12:32:55 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Student Outdoor Finals X-mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.31 Message-ID: <1F193AE0041@pebley.shef.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi everyone, The Student National Outdoor Finals are this coming weekend (2/3rd May). Details and directions will be going out in the post first thing tomorrow, so everyone should be receiving them on Wednesday. I will also send the details out on Britdisc tomorrow morning. I am also writing the schedule tonight, so if there is any doubt that you will be able to field a team then let me know immediately, because I will with great pleasure decapitate anyone who forces me to rewrite the tournament schedule later this week!! (- I have a fieldcourse writeup deadline on Friday). See you all Saturday, Simon Weeks Student Co-ordinator ################################################### sorby hall, endcliffe vale road, sheffield, s10 3es tel. 0114 222 9999 extension 52252 email: gga95sew@sheffield.ac.uk ################################################### sorby hall, endcliffe vale road, sheffield, s10 3es tel. 0114 222 9999 extension 52252 email: gga95sew@sheffield.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Apr 27 14:03:10 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id NAA18892 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 13:47:43 +0100 (BST) Received: from exeter.ac.uk (hermes.ex.ac.uk [144.173.6.14]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA18875 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 13:47:41 +0100 (BST) Received: from mstl024 [144.173.9.224] by hermes via SMTP (NAA02701); Mon, 27 Apr 1998 13:47:31 +0100 (BST) From: Sue Farley <S.M.Farley@exeter.ac.uk> Reply-To: S.M.Farley@exeter.ac.uk To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: EXETER HAT TOURNAMENT Message-ID: <SIMEON.9804271337.B@MSTL.ex.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 13:50:37 +0100 (BST) Read-Receipt-To: Sue Farley <S.M.Farley@exeter.ac.uk> Disposition-Notification-To: Sue Farley <S.M.Farley@exeter.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Simeon for Win32 Version 4.1.2 Build (29) X-Authentication: IMSP MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi everyone. Just a quick note to let everyone know that we, Uriel, are thinking of organising a hat tournament for the weekend of the 27/28th June. We want to know if people wish the event to take place. We are considering making the tournament a charity event. If you think that you may like to come, please let me know and I'll send out more details nearer the time. Cheers, Sue ---------------------- Sue Farley University of Exeter From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Apr 27 17:16:26 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id QAA03733 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 16:35:57 +0100 (BST) Received: from ursa.cns.umist.ac.uk (ursa.cns.umist.ac.uk [130.88.210.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA03723 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 16:35:55 +0100 (BST) Received: from ccg.acu.man.ac.uk [130.88.17.200] by ursa.cns.umist.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.81 #4) id 0yTpwg-0005zz-00; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 16:35:54 +0100 Received: from ccMail by ccg.acu.man.ac.uk (ccMail Link to SMTP R6.00.02) id AA893691349; Mon, 27 Apr 98 16:35:51 GMT Message-Id: <9804278936.AA893691349@ccg.acu.man.ac.uk> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R6.00.02 Date: Mon, 27 Apr 98 16:35:31 GMT From: "Rob Mitchell"<admrwm@ccg.acu.man.ac.uk> To: <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: urgently need to contact Tim Andrews MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Sorry to bother you all but the Chevron Massive are in a spot of trouble and we need to contact Tim Andrews of Zebedees. If anyone out there has a contact number for him, you'd be doing us a great favour if you could mail it back (or phone myself or kenny on 0161 445 3997) ta Rob Chevron Action Flash From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Apr 27 17:17:42 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id QAA07666 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 16:55:48 +0100 (BST) Received: from ursa.cns.umist.ac.uk (ursa.cns.umist.ac.uk [130.88.210.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA07649 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 16:55:45 +0100 (BST) Received: from ccg.acu.man.ac.uk [130.88.17.200] by ursa.cns.umist.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.81 #4) id 0yTqFt-0000KD-00; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 16:55:45 +0100 Received: from ccMail by ccg.acu.man.ac.uk (ccMail Link to SMTP R6.00.02) id AA893692538; Mon, 27 Apr 98 16:55:42 GMT Message-Id: <9804278936.AA893692538@ccg.acu.man.ac.uk> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R6.00.02 Date: Mon, 27 Apr 98 16:55:21 GMT From: "Rob Mitchell"<admrwm@ccg.acu.man.ac.uk> To: <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: re: request for Tim Andrews MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi folks, sorry to intrude again, but one of your number has kindly given me tim's, so we can all relax. thanks Rob Chevron From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Apr 27 18:29:00 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id RAA12790 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 17:20:58 +0100 (BST) Received: from apollo.le.ac.uk (apollo.le.ac.uk [143.210.16.125]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA12781 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 17:20:56 +0100 (BST) Received: from harrier.le.ac.uk ([143.210.8.56]) by apollo.le.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk id 0yTqg1-0004yi-00; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 17:22:45 +0100 Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 17:20:32 +0100 (BST) From: "B. Ravilious" <br5@leicester.ac.uk> X-Sender: br5@harrier To: Britdisc <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: 1998 Leicester Ultimate League Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.96.980427171726.5183A-100000@harrier> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk To: All Midlands Ultimate Players With the support of Leicester City Council, Red will be running a weekday evening five-a-side league in Leicester this Summer. We attempted this last year and got a pretty encouraging response (including live TV interviews!) but a lot of the companies and groups which signed up bottled-out at the last minute. Learning from our mistakes, we have decide to establish a league with a core of existing players from the region. We will also probably make a small charge which will cover the cost of pitches and hopefully result in a bit more commitment from entrants. Red could contribute players for around four teams but to keep the event non-partisan well probably pick teams out of a hat. This is where you come in. At this stage all Im looking for is a show of hands just to see what interest there might be from Midlands players (both individuals and clubs). If you're going to be around during the summer let me know. Thanks Ben Red Chief Spin-Doctor ================================================================================ Ben Ravilious, (0116) 2559638 home br5@le.ac.uk (0116) 2525824 work ORACLE Trial Playing Ultimate for RED University of Leicester www.ultimateweb.co.uk/red/ ================================================================================ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Apr 28 07:43:50 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id HAA05657 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 07:29:34 +0100 (BST) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id HAA05650 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 07:29:32 +0100 (BST) Received: from jimson.demon.co.uk ([212.228.22.128]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa2001569; 28 Apr 98 6:27 GMT X-Sender: jimson@pop3.demon.co.uk Message-Id: <l03130300b16b26983526@[212.228.22.128]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 07:27:42 +0100 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: Jim McDonnell <jimbob@jimson.demon.co.uk> Subject: Jim McDonnell (Village) email change Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi y'all - I'm still at the 'teething troubles' stage, but in case you need it my email has now changed to jimbob@jimson.demon.co.uk. Sometimes my computer even behaves long enough for me to check it. Amend those address books accordingly! Also - we'd like to send someone a cheque for Birmingham Tour III; Who What Where How Much? Cheers - Jim Jim McDonnell (0181 444 6371) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Apr 28 09:34:49 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id JAA16535 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 09:17:54 +0100 (BST) Received: from alpha2.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (alpha2.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.2.9]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA16527 for <BRITDISC@CSV.WARWICK.AC.UK>; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 09:17:52 +0100 (BST) From: JN061@mdx.ac.uk Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V5.1-10 #18910) id <01IWEBSLVWMO8X4PWW@mdx.ac.uk> for BRITDISC@CSV.WARWICK.AC.UK; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 09:19:58 BST Received: from mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V5.1-10 #18910) id <01IWEBO5RTW08X599X@mdx.ac.uk> for BRITDISC@CSV.WARWICK.AC.UK; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 09:19:57 +0100 (BST) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 09:19:57 +0100 (BST) Subject: Chaos Tournament To: BRITDISC@csv.warwick.ac.uk Message-id: <01IWEBO5RVS28X599X@mdx.ac.uk> X-VMS-To: BRITDISC@CSV.WARWICK.AC.UK MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi everyone In the usual style that chaos has become accustomed to we forget to include some important information regarding our up and coming outdoor friendly on the 30/31 May. All those teams who have wisely decided to play at the tournament could they please make their cheque's payable to Middlesex University Students Union (or MUSU if you can't be bothered with all that). If we could have them by the 15th May please... Oh yeh, sorry Reds, but your cheque is coming back. If you could send us a new one... Thanks Jo From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Apr 28 12:07:36 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id LAA19248 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 11:48:58 +0100 (BST) Received: from pp2.shef.ac.uk (pp2.shef.ac.uk [143.167.1.32]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA19215; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 11:48:48 +0100 (BST) Received: from pebley.shef.ac.uk [143.167.79.249] by pp2.shef.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.73 #1) id 0yU7vL-0002HY-00; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 11:47:43 +0100 Received: from PEBLEY/SpoolDir by pebley.shef.ac.uk (Mercury 1.40); 28 Apr 98 11:47:43 +0100 Received: from SpoolDir by PEBLEY (Mercury 1.40); 28 Apr 98 11:47:33 +0100 From: "Simon Weeks" <GGA95SEW@sheffield.ac.uk> To: All.University.Ultimate.Teams@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 11:47:26 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Student Outdoor Finals X-mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.31 Message-ID: <208D38C2CB2@pebley.shef.ac.uk> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-printable to 8bit by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id LAA19219 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Dear Teams, The student outdoor finals are nearly upon us so I thought it would be a good time to send out the details for the extravaganza that will be taking place in Leicester this weekend. Details about how to get to Leicester and Victoria Park have been sent out to the team contacts although directions are also available on the Red Website at www.ultimateweb.co.uk./red. Accommodation will be camping. There is a limited number of places available for teams to doss on the floor of student houses, but this is reserved only for those who have a genuine problem with camping. If you intend arriving on Friday night we also need to know, as there is no camping. To notify us if you have problems with camping or if you want to come Friday night then please phone Kieran on 0116 2830343 as soon as possible. The campsite will be, in all likelihood, at Aylestone Leisure Centre, although there is an outside chance it could be at Nelson Mandela Park. Both of these sites are on the map of Leicester. I suggest you play the fun game of "find Aylestone Leisure Centre and Nelson Mandela Park" with your team on the journey to Leicester, as this saves me marking them on the map!! At the captains meeting the exact site will be announced and tents can be erected anytime after about 4pm on Saturday. The evening s entertainment will be at one of Leicester s top night-clubs, Mosquito Coast, which means we will be able to party until 2am to mighty fine music. A great night is promised. Bring your boogie shoes. Tickets will be issued at the captains meeting and these will gain you entry to the club for a mere 50p so long as you arrive between 9 and 11pm. After that they are not valid and the full price of £3.50 applies. For those of you who don t want the hassle of looking for somewhere to eat in the evening/want to start drinking earlier/are tight, there is the option of eating at the Dry Dock for a bargain of one pound sterling. Between 6 and 8pm they will serve a classic English meal of sausage chips and beans garnished with a choice of brown or tomato sauce. The pub is right next to Victoria Park so is very convenient but there are limited spaces (approx. 50). Tickets will be available at the captains meeting on first come first served basis. Even if you don t want food there I recommend the dry dock if you fancy visiting a pub as they will be putting on games of some sort and cheap beer offers. The likes of Warwick and Purple Haze should know the sort of thing!! That's about it, so I will see you at the Captains meeting at 9.30am on Victoria Park. Simon Weeks Student Co-ordinator From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Apr 28 12:10:56 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id LAA19209 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 11:48:48 +0100 (BST) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA19113 for <BRITDISC@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 11:48:39 +0100 (BST) Received: from mveshops.demon.co.uk ([158.152.177.210]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa2018962; 28 Apr 98 10:41 GMT Received: from doc [192.168.0.3] by mveshops.demon.co.uk [127.0.0.1] with SMTP (MDaemon.v2.7.SP2.R) for <BRITDISC@CSV.WARWICK.AC.UK>; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 11:24:08 +0100 Message-ID: <199804281124070781.13D397BA@DOC> X-Mailer: Calypso Version 2.40.40 Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 11:24:07 +0100 From: Jonathan Brennan <office@mveshops.demon.co.uk> To: BRITDISC@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Remove from list please - office@mveshops.demon.co.uk X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: BRITDISC@CSV.WARWICK.AC.UK Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Remove from list please - office@mveshops.demon.co.uk Remove from list please - office@mveshops.demon.co.uk Remove from list please - office@mveshops.demon.co.uk Remove from list please - office@mveshops.demon.co.uk Remove from list please - office@mveshops.demon.co.uk Remove from list please - office@mveshops.demon.co.uk ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Jonathan Brennan Music and Video Exchange office@mveshops.co.uk www.demon.co.uk/mveshops ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Apr 28 13:20:12 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id NAA07407 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 13:03:17 +0100 (BST) Received: from alpha2.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (alpha2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.2.9]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA07396 for <BRITDISC@CSV.WARWICK.AC.UK>; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 13:03:15 +0100 (BST) From: JN061@mdx.ac.uk Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V5.1-10 #18910) id <01IWEJKKPSCG8X4VPL@mdx.ac.uk> for BRITDISC@CSV.WARWICK.AC.UK; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 13:04:37 BST Received: from mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V5.1-10 #18910) id <01IWEJHWQIV28X5IE0@mdx.ac.uk> for BRITDISC@CSV.WARWICK.AC.UK; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 13:02:18 +0100 (BST) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 13:02:18 +0100 (BST) To: BRITDISC@csv.warwick.ac.uk Message-id: <01IWEJHWQJSW8X5IE0@mdx.ac.uk> X-VMS-To: BRITDISC@CSV.WARWICK.AC.UK MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Chaos Tournament Sorry everyone this is getting most confusing and I'm a beginner at this so what can I say??? Cheque's for the tournament need to be made payable to me (which means I can go to the states this summer) oops sorry its so that chaos can bye super duper things for the tournament (don't go holding your breath now!!!). Sorry for the confusion. However, take pity, it can't be as bad as mine!! Jo From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Apr 28 14:15:36 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id NAA19921 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 13:55:40 +0100 (BST) Received: from amsta.leeds.ac.uk (amsta.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA19848 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 13:55:29 +0100 (BST) Received: from mobius.leeds.amsta (mobius.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.65]) by amsta.leeds.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA08159; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 13:56:08 +0100 (BST) Received: by mobius.leeds.amsta (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id NAA27533; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 13:56:39 +0100 Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 13:56:39 +0100 From: amtsjh@amsta.leeds.ac.uk (S J Hill) Message-Id: <199804281256.NAA27533@mobius.leeds.amsta> To: Colin.Wagstaff@benfieldgreig.com Subject: Re: This w/e Cc: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk, D0192558@infotrade.co.uk X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk > Si (Hill - even tho' Si Moore is also on email) > Do you know what is going on? > Are we practicing on Sat/Sun or both? Times etc. > > No one i have spoken to seems to be clear on what's appening? > > Col. > Col (and other GB'ers like Dave who asked me earlier - maybe its just the UTI players who are a bit slow...) Why does everyone seem to think I know whats going on? - sort your own lives out - I'm busy :) As far as I'm aware we agreed to practice in Leicester, presumably somewhere near where the tour event was held... (look for the student tourney which is going on in Victoria Park). I'm going on Sunday, and plan to be ready to start at 11am - just like all the other practices you muppet. See you there Si ps - Si M.: maybe you could put us right if I've got it all wrong? From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Apr 28 22:25:46 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id WAA26265 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 22:12:44 +0100 (BST) Received: from praseodumium (praseodumium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.82]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA26232 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 22:12:41 +0100 (BST) From: laurapearce@btinternet.com Received: from mail.btinternet.com [195.99.62.232] by praseodumium with smtp (Exim 1.70 #1) id 0yUHfJ-0004Wr-00; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 22:11:50 +0100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail and News for Macintosh - 1.1 (34) Subject: Women's Ultimate To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: <E0yUHfJ-0004Wr-00@praseodumium> Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 22:11:50 +0100 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Just when it looked like the discussion on women's ultimate was about to get going, it seemed to die a very early death. In the hope of resurrecting it, I would like to put forward some points. Apologies for the length, but I believe this is an important issue that cannot be covered in a few lines. I hope this gives people something to think about and that the discussion can start again. There are naturally differences between the sexes, factors such as speed, strength and height (although NOT skills) which become more accentuated as Ultimate develops and becomes more competitive. The introduction of the Tour has given all teams the opportunity to be more competitive and this is not a privilege just to be enjoyed by the top teams. Few can argue against the fact that the men's game has and is getting stronger, but as this happens there is a danger the women's game will get left behind. For female Ultimate players (in general), there are only two options which would improve the standard of women and the women's game: 1. To split some or all of Ultimate by sex eg. Tour, Nationals, 2. To play co-ed Ultimate, including at major events/tournaments where ALL teams have to adhere to a compulsory gender specification (eg. 5-2, 4-3 split) HOWEVER, as the situation in GB stands at present, the second option is not viable because as the level of competition is improving in the men's game, it is a step backwards in its development to then play co-ed ultimate instead. This leaves the first option. The only way to improve women's ultimate is to have more of it. This is happening to a certain extent with the women's tournaments that have taken place, but this is only the tip of the iceberg and more needs to be done. More points about separating ultimate by sex: 1. In the vast majority of sports, especially team sports, women do not compete against men in the same way as in ultimate in GB, because it is not realistic. When ultimate was first 'born', by its very nature it challenged the traditional beliefs associated with men and women and sport. It is true that the fact that women have the chance to play against men is one aspect of the sport that makes it different and arguably special. However, it is possible that this very aspect is holding back its development. In order for Ultimate to develop (assuming that this is the aim), it needs more people to take it seriously. It seems unlikely that non-players will take it seriously as a sport when there are aspects which make it come across as more of a recreation than anything else. 2. An argument put forward for women to play 'open' ultimate is that they can push themselves harder against men or that there is not enough women's competition. If the women's game was stronger, it would not only mean increased competition for existing players, but would also be more likely to attract sportswomen from other sports, which could then also raise the level. 3. While the national team is not the only consideration for women's ultimate, the national team (for any sport) can only be as good as the structure below it. The ideal scenario would be to get to a stage where a women's tour could be run alongside the men's tour and where women would choose to play in the women's tour, rather than in the men's/open tour. Unfortunately, this cannot be achieved overnight. 4. Playing in and against women's teams gives players more all-round experience of women's ultimate. It also improves players' confidence and ability at club level which they can then bring to international level (Worlds and World Clubs) rather than trying to improve confidence and ability at national level training or in games against 'open' teams. A women's tour could then also lead to Nationals and men's and women's nationals could be held alongside each other (this would require Nationals to be split into men's and women's). A women's tour would not benefit from having one stacked team, but using the last two women's tournaments as examples (indoor nationals and Spring into Action) the stronger, more experienced players have been spread over several teams and this would need to continue initially. It is important to stress that the success of having men's and women's ultimate would depend on running alongside each other and not separating them completely. 5. Mixed Ultimate need not be abolished and it is important that those players who want to play co-ed ultimate (as opposed to open) still have that opportunity. That might mean ensuring some tournaments outside Nationals and the tour are co-ed (ie 5-2/4-3 split). This gives women a chance to play on teams with men, but be generally playing against women. It is up to those people to put in the groundwork in organising co-ed events. To finish: More women's ultimate means better women's ultimate so lets try and find ways to make it happen. Laura Pearce From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Apr 29 10:18:22 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id KAA25217 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 10:03:30 +0100 (BST) Received: from gatekeeper.cmht.nwest.nhs.uk (gatekeeper.cmht.nwest.nhs.uk [193.60.159.61]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA25207 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 10:03:28 +0100 (BST) Received: by gatekeeper.cmht.nwest.nhs.uk; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA30188; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 09:55:17 +0100 Received: from pers.cmht.nwest.nhs.uk (pers.cmht.nwest.nhs.uk [159.170.196.35]) by mar003.cmht.nwest.nhs.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA32342; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 10:05:53 +0100 (BST) Received: from MRI_PERS/SpoolDir by pers.cmht.nwest.nhs.uk (Mercury 1.40); 29 Apr 98 10:01:49 BST Received: from SpoolDir by MRI_PERS (Mercury 1.40); 29 Apr 98 10:01:29 BST From: "Harry Golby" <hgolby@pers.cmht.nwest.nhs.uk> Organization: Central Manchester Healthcare Trust To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 10:01:20 BST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: American Spirit Cc: "Keith" <kscott@mail13.voicenet.com> X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.53/R1) Message-Id: <701FD227490@pers.cmht.nwest.nhs.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk After the recent WSJ article about the Spirit of the Game in America let me give an example of the other side of things.... In Rotterdam I'm going to play with an American team which has been cobbled together from all over the place (with a strong Philadelphia Rage/Peppers emphasis.) Most of the team organisation has been done via email. Our chief honcho has just sent an email describing how European teams tend to come up with cheers after the match (not something that happens much in the States) and sing team songs. The message had attachments with it which turned out to be music files so that we could practice the team song at home to be ready before we go to the tourney!!! How's that for taking the lighter side of Ultimate seriously. Harry Chevvy (who usually come up with some kind of team cheer which we seem to understand/enjoy far more than any of our opposition.) PS For those of you going to Rotterdam this message is not intended to suggest that our team song is actually going to be any more tunefull than anyone elses! From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Apr 29 11:15:59 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id LAA07121 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 11:00:04 +0100 (BST) Received: from smtpgate.cablecorporation.co.uk (mailgate.cablecorporation.co.uk [195.173.20.38]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA07107 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 11:00:00 +0100 (BST) Received: from [123.8.2.123] (HELO cablecorporation) by smtpgate.cablecorporation.co.uk (AltaVista Mail V1.0/1.0 BL18 listener) id 0000_0064_3546_f9bd_9199; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 10:58:21 +0100 X-Mailer: BeyondMail for Windows/Professional 2.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; boundary="BeyondBoundary_12_Wed_Apr_29_10:59:13_1998__6DF1" To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: Mark Wideberg <mark_wideberg@cablecorporation.co.uk> Subject: Birmingham - Help/Where? Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 10:59:03 -0700 X-BeyondMail-Priority: 1 Message-Id: <BMSMTP89387247522markwide@smtpgate.cablecorporation.co.uk> Conversation-Id: <BMSMTP89387247523markwide@smtpgate.cablecorporation.co.uk> Reply-To: Mark Wideberg <mark_wideberg@cablecorporation.co.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk --BeyondBoundary_12_Wed_Apr_29_10:59:13_1998__6DF1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Hi, Usual apologies for those that don't want to read this. I'm trying to sort out trains for our team (First Touch) for Birmingham but do not know who to contact about where we are playing. Does anyone know where we are playing and whether it would be better to goto Birmingham New St (city from what I understand) or the other train station near the airport??? Thanks for any replies, Mark --BeyondBoundary_12_Wed_Apr_29_10:59:13_1998__6DF1 Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="ATTRIBS.BND" Content-Transfer-Encoding: Base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="ATTRIBS.BND" QmV5b25kIFBhY2tlZCBBdHRyaWJ1dGVzACg8ABEAKAAAAAAAQmlybWluZ2hh bSAtIEhlbHAvV2hlcmU/AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AG1hcmtfd2lkZWJlcmcAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA8Qk1TTVRQODkzODcyNDc1MjJt YXJrd2kAQmV5b25kIFByb3ByaWV0YXJ5IERhdGEaAAAAAAQAAAAAAAAADwA8 AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAQ29udmVyc2F0aW9uIElkOzxCTVNNVFA4 OTM4NzI0NzUyM21hcmt3aWRlQHNtdHBnYXRlLmNhYmxlY29ycG9yYXRpb24u Y28udWs+BAAAAAAAAAAQAAkAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABNZXNzYWdl IEVuY29kaW5nCElTTy04ODU5AQAAAAAAAAAVAAMAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAABVc2UgUHJvcG9ydGlvbmFsIEZvbnQBAAERAAAAAAAAAAQAYAIAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAFRleHSNAUhpLCAKClVzdWFsIGFwb2xvZ2llcyBm b3IgdGhvc2UgdGhhdCBkb24ndCB3YW50IHRvIHJlYWQgdGhpcy4KCkknbSB0 cnlpbmcgdG8gc29ydCBvdXQgdHJhaW5zIGZvciBvdXIgdGVhbSAoRmlyc3Qg VG91Y2gpIGZvciBCaXJtaW5naGFtIGJ1dCBkbyBub3Qga25vdyB3aG8gdG8g Y29udGFjdCBhYm91dCB3aGVyZSB3ZSBhcmUgcGxheWluZy4KCkRvZXMgYW55 b25lIGtub3cgd2hlcmUgd2UgYXJlIHBsYXlpbmcgYW5kIHdoZXRoZXIgaXQg d291bGQgYmUgYmV0dGVyIHRvIGdvdG8gQmlybWluZ2hhbSBOZXcgU3QgKGNp dHkgZnJvbSB3aGF0IEkgdW5kZXJzdGFuZCkgb3IgdGhlIG90aGVyIHRyYWlu IHN0YXRpb24gbmVhciB0aGUgYWlycG9ydD8/PwoKVGhhbmtzIGZvciBhbnkg cmVwbGllcywKCk1hcmvNAAMAjQHGAAEAAQAAAAsAAQABAAEAjQEAAAAAAAA4 /wAAAAAAAJABAAAAAAAAAABNUyBTYW5zIFNlcmlmAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAABAAEABQABAAYABgABAAcAPgABAD8APwABAEAAwgABAMMAwwAB AMQAbwEBAHABcAEBAHEBiAEBAIkBiQEBAIoBjgEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABkAAGk AQFIAwHsBAGQBgE0CAHYCQF8CwEgDQHEDgFoEAEMEgGwEwFUFQH4Fm4AAAAA AAAAAAAAEAAGAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAQXR0YWNobWVudCBDb3Vu dAQAAAAAAA== --BeyondBoundary_12_Wed_Apr_29_10:59:13_1998__6DF1-- From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Apr 29 12:35:41 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id MAA27694 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 12:16:16 +0100 (BST) Received: from firewall1.lehman.com (firewall.Lehman.COM [192.147.65.66]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA27684 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 12:16:13 +0100 (BST) Received: from relay.messaging-svcs2.lehman.com by firewall1.lehman.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id HAA05008; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 07:16:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from london123.lehman.com by relay.messaging-svcs2.lehman.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA16057; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 07:15:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from london123 (localhost) by london123.lehman.com (4.1/Lehman Bros. V1.6) id AA07782; Wed, 29 Apr 98 12:15:24 BST Message-Id: <35470BCC.493F66A8@lehman.com> Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 12:15:24 +0100 From: Aram Flores <aflores@lehman.com> Organization: Lehman Brothers, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (X11; I; SunOS 4.1.3 sun4m) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Shotgun Training Sessions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk BDers, Just to keep you up to date, our Monday practices are now finished until the fall (after Sept21). Gun will have practice sessions on Tuesday evenings (7:00pm) on Clapham Common that are open only to experienced players (first one last night). Gun will also be training every Sunday, that there is not a Tour event, on Wandsworth Common (near the Tennis courts). The time will be either 11:00am or 4:00pm check the Shotgun Website. On bank holiday weekends we will play Monday at 4:00pm. Again this is only open to experienced players and will occasionally be only open to Gunners. Clapham Common will also be the site of the LUS which will probably be held on Thursday nights (Check with Paul Hurt for details) and will be open to players of all levels. Aram - Shotgun Ultimate From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Apr 29 12:38:55 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id MAA01580 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 12:32:44 +0100 (BST) Received: from smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk (smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk [193.114.232.134]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA01554 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 12:32:42 +0100 (BST) From: Wayne_Retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk Received: from ccMail by smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk (IMA Internet Exchange 3.0 Enterprise) id 00002C73; Wed, 29 Apr 98 12:33:11 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 12:30:55 +0100 Message-ID: <00002C73.eval@watsonwyatt.co.uk> Subject: Re: Birmingham - Help/Where? To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk, Mark Wideberg <mark_wideberg@cablecorporation.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id MAA01565 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk All Here's the content of Charlie's "all-you-need-to-know" letter. I'd suggest that you try comparing the directions to a map of the Birmingham area and if there's still info you need to know you could try: a) the Birmingham website at (I think!) http://www.birmingham.gov.uk/ b) Charlie (details below) Wayne ULTIM-8 TOUR III - BIRMINGHAM - MAY 9-10 Welcome to Ultim-8 Tour III. Below you will find all the details you need to get to the tournement and survive for the weekend. Thank you for paying your deposits to BUF. You are now officially entered but may have to wait until after Swindon to have your place confirmed. Directions: The tournament will be held at Birmingham RFC. This is at Junction 3 of the M42, 50 yards south, and first left, on the A435. The club is signposted. After taking the left turn go 200yds down a small lane and turn right into the club just before going under the motorway bridge. This is about 10 miles from Birmingham. Facilities: There will be 8 pitches available. There is a club house which will have a bar and food and hot drinks available all day. Breakfast will be served on Sunday morning. There will be a party on Saturday night so bring your favourite dance music. Changing rooms and hot showers are available throughout the weekend. Accommodation: Camping facilities are available from Friday afternoon onwards. Please let me know if you are arriving early on Friday so I can make the necessary arrangements. If you need to then you can also stay on the Sunday night. There will be a charge of £5 per tent for the weekend. Medical facilities: There will be medical facilities available with a senior physiotherapist, Sarah Ferguson, in charge. She will have tape available, but please bring tape with you if you are already carrying an injury. Tournament Information: There will be 28 teams entered for this tournament. Who is playing will be determined by the results at Swindon. Check with Si Hill if unsure. Bring light and dark shirts. Play will start 9.30 on Saturday and 9.00 on Sunday. Results wil be posted immediately after each game with updated pool results alongside. Winning teams in each game will be responsible for refilling water containers after each game. Payment of fees: I will be at Swindon on Sunday 19th April to give out more information and collect fees.. Any teams entering Birmingham but not at Swindon will be contacted by email and snail mail. Contact details: Charlie Mead, 67, Cotton lane, Birmingham, B13 9SE. Tel: 0121-449-3382 (h), 0121-428-2002 (w) Email: charles.mead@easynet.co.uk ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Birmingham - Help/Where? Author: Mark Wideberg <mark_wideberg@cablecorporation.co.uk> at ~Internet Date: 29/04/98 10:59 apologies for this bit... ________________________________________________________________ Notice of Confidentiality This transmission is intended for the named addressee only. It contains information which may be confidential and which may also be privileged. Unless you are the named addressee (or authorised to receive it for the addressee) you may not copy or use it, or disclose it to anyone else. If you have received this transmission in error please contact: ~admin@watsonwyatt.co.uk or IT Manager: +44(0)1737 241144 Fax: +44(0)1737 241496 Watson Wyatt Partners is regulated by the Institute of Actuaries in the conduct of UK investment business. _________________________________________________________________ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Apr 29 13:08:13 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id MAA05731 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 12:47:33 +0100 (BST) Received: from renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk (renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk [129.215.13.3]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA05715 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 12:47:31 +0100 (BST) From: 9361247@arran.sms.ed.ac.uk Received: from arran.sms.ed.ac.uk (arran.sms.ed.ac.uk [129.215.13.5]) by renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA23988 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 12:47:29 +0100 (BST) Received: from SMS-ARRAN/SpoolDir by arran.sms.ed.ac.uk (Mercury 1.31); 29 Apr 98 12:47:30 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by SMS-ARRAN (Mercury 1.31); 29 Apr 98 12:47:13 +0000 Organization: Student Mail Service To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 12:46:11 +0000 Subject: RE: Women's Ultimate X-mailer: Pegasus Mail/Mac (v2.2.1) Message-ID: <17D41F725AE@arran.sms.ed.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Laura Pearce wrote: >It is true that the fact that women have the chance to play against men >is one aspect of the sport that makes it different and arguably >special. However, it is possible that this very aspect is holding back >its development. In order for Ultimate to develop (assuming that this >is the aim), it needs more people to take it seriously. I believe that splitting the sport into single sex competitions would be a very bad idea. Having *sold* Ultimate at countless Fresher's Fairs, I am certain that one of the unique selling points of the sport is the fact that men and women can AND DO play together in a game. Without this, I don't believe we would attract as many women to even attempt to play, which in turn surely can't be any good for Women's Ultimate, or for Ultimate in general. Without that large base of players, we won't get the improvement in the standard of the sport, which everyone wants. Wee Jim (Sneeeky's) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Apr 29 13:14:37 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id NAA09790 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 13:04:06 +0100 (BST) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA09783 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 13:04:03 +0100 (BST) Received: from ([158.152.203.174]) [158.152.203.174] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yUVak-0002sH-00; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 13:04:03 +0100 Subject: LUS - staff crisis Date: Wed, 29 Apr 98 13:11:52 +0100 x-sender: ultimatum@pop3.demon.co.uk x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: Paul Hurt <paul@ultimatum.demon.co.uk> To: "BritDisc" <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Message-Id: <E0yUVak-0002sH-00@post.mail.demon.net> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi all ---------------------------------------------------------- LONDON ULTIMATE SESSION. This message is specifically for players intending to participate regularly at the London Ultimate Session. Sorry everyone else. ---------------------------------------------------------- BRIEF UPDATE Things are going well, if slowly with Lambeth Council. I heard from them yesterday to say that we can have the pitches, and they will even mark them for a small fee (which I think is essential). I don't know exactly where they will be on the Common yet - they've written to me to explain everything (they won't discuss it on the 'phone), I'm just waiting for the letter to arrive. I then have to confirm the exact dates we want the pitches for, and then deal with money. Oh, it looks almost certain to be Thursday nights. Though Wednesday might be a possibility. HELP NEEDED!!! I have a problem here. I need a few capable, willing volunteers to help shoulder the organisation of LUS. At the moment I'm doing EVERYTHING for LUS (publicity materials, web site, communications, negotiating with councils, thinking about coaching...). And most of Ultimatum (editing, web site [nearly there now], newsletter, production, distribution...). Something is going to give here, very soon. I repeat, "help" shoulder the responsibility. I'm not trying to rope anyone into taking over lock stock and barrel. It'll only survive if we can share the workload between several people. After all, there were easily thirty to forty players showing up each week last year. There must be four or five willing to help a bit. Let's put it this way. If I have to do the whole thing myself (again) THEN I'M NOT DOING IT AT ALL. I simply can't, or my life will totally disintegrate (and Ultimatum will sink without trace once again). Sorry to get heavy about it, but these are the facts. I don't really care who does what. As long as the "division of labour" actually works, and makes sense. I need to be able to actually hand over *responsibility* for different aspects of LUS to various people, if I'm to be able to concentrate on anything else. If someone agrees to look after the league aspect, I don't want to have to spend time worrying whether people know what team they're on, etc. Defeats the whole point of "delegating". I think the LUS concept is worth perservering with. It'd just be nice if some of those taking part could find the time to put something back into it. Otherwise, it folds. 'Scuse me for cracking up a bit. Offers of assistance happily accepted. Or you could just bring a few beers round to my house - that'd probably help short-term :-) Thanks. Paul P.S. Neil, Roger, thanks for the offers already. Need to discuss what you think it would be practical for you to do. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Hurt Editor, Ultimatum Magazine, London, England editor@ultimatum.demon.co.uk Visit Ultimatum Online... http://www.ultimatum.demon.co.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Apr 29 14:17:52 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id NAA22108 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 13:56:46 +0100 (BST) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA22097 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 13:56:43 +0100 (BST) Received: from ([158.152.203.174]) [158.152.203.174] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yUWPi-0005Iy-00; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 13:56:42 +0100 Subject: RE: Women's Ultimate Date: Wed, 29 Apr 98 14:04:34 +0100 x-sender: ultimatum@pop3.demon.co.uk x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: Paul Hurt <paul@ultimatum.demon.co.uk> To: "BritDisc" <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Message-Id: <E0yUWPi-0005Iy-00@post.mail.demon.net> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Wee Jim wrote >I believe that splitting the sport into single sex competitions would be >a very bad idea. Having *sold* Ultimate at countless Fresher's Fairs, I >am certain that one of the unique selling points of the sport is the >fact that men and women can AND DO play together in a game. > >Without this, I don't believe we would attract as many women to even >attempt to play, which in turn surely can't be any good for Women's >Ultimate, or for Ultimate in general. I don't think Laura's talking about stopping Women playing in the open division if they want to (and, dare I say it, if their team want them to - don't deny this happens). That's the whole idea of an "open" division. But I agree with her that building women players' confidence and getting the sport taken "seriously" would both be helped by encouraging women to play Women's ultimate. Which entails providing the opportunity for them to do so. You can still sell the idea of mixed ultimate at freshers'. It's not going away in a hurry. Ultim-8 is cool already. The concept is right, and I'm sure it'll just keep getting cooler. So what about more co-ed! More hat tournaments! More women-only divisions! We need more events all-round. What we actually need is more people to come forward and organise them. Roll on the Chaos outdoors, etc. Whoa! Getting off track. Stop now. Paul --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Hurt Editor, Ultimatum Magazine, London, England editor@ultimatum.demon.co.uk Visit Ultimatum Online... http://www.ultimatum.demon.co.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Apr 29 14:44:42 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id OAA29300 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 14:26:44 +0100 (BST) Received: from smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk (smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk [193.114.232.134]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA29279 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 14:26:41 +0100 (BST) From: Wayne_Retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk Received: from ccMail by smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk (IMA Internet Exchange 3.0 Enterprise) id 00002D1B; Wed, 29 Apr 98 14:27:11 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 14:25:03 +0100 Message-ID: <00002D1B.eval@watsonwyatt.co.uk> Subject: Re: Women's Ultimate To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk laurapearce@btinternet.com wrote: LP>2. To play co-ed Ultimate, including at major events/tournaments where LP> ALL teams have to adhere to a compulsory gender specification (eg. 5-2, 4-3 LP> split) LP> HOWEVER, as the situation in GB stands at present, the second option is LP> not viable because as the level of competition is improving in the LP> men's game, it is a step backwards in its development to then play LP> co-ed ultimate instead. INSTEAD could indeed be a problem. Why not start with AS WELL? Looking at the Leicester CoEd last year, a fair chunk of the MALE players present were those from the upper echelons of British Ultimate and they attended the event on top of the Tour, GB commitments, etc. We need more tournaments, in general, so surely a step towards Womens Divisions (in the established Tour/Nationals system) and Tournaments would be to stage more CoEd events on the other weekends, hopefully attracting more Women to the mixed-sex game and then filtering them towards the single-sex sport? LP>5. Mixed Ultimate need not be abolished and it is important that LP> those players who want to play co-ed ultimate (as opposed to open) still LP> have that opportunity. That might mean ensuring some tournaments LP> outside Nationals and the tour are co-ed (ie 5-2/4-3 split). This gives LP> women a chance to play on teams with men, but be generally playing LP> against women. In other discussions currently ongoing about developing Ultimate, it has been proposed that the experienced teams/players could/should have a valid role in the development of the less experienced players. If we put two inexperienced male players on pitch with 5 experienced women, the men should learn loads - mostly about how their 'natural male abilities' (strength/speed/height/etc) can be destroyed by the womens experience 'natural female abilities' (agility/cunning/etc) If we put two experienced male players on pitch with the women, the chances of the men dominating the game are reduced, and there's the chance for either sex to learn from the other. LP> It is up to those people to put in the groundwork in organising co-ed LP> events. Does this mean the players that favour 'organised' CoEd Ultimate, whilst the Womens Ultimate purists don't want to be involved? Are there actually enough Women ready/able, and most importantly WILLING to support and participate in a Women's Division at an Open event on a regular basis? Sadly, I think not, on the WILLING basis. I'd like to be proved wrong! IMHO, I think the promotion of Women biased CoEd Ultimate (ie restricting the events the men can participate in, so they go and sort themselves out), as an extra to the Tour/Nationals system would be a useful step in the development of Womens Ultimate Wayne at work: wayne_retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk at home: wayne@phidelta.demon.co.uk apologies for the disclaimer that follows... ________________________________________________________________ Notice of Confidentiality This transmission is intended for the named addressee only. It contains information which may be confidential and which may also be privileged. Unless you are the named addressee (or authorised to receive it for the addressee) you may not copy or use it, or disclose it to anyone else. If you have received this transmission in error please contact: ~admin@watsonwyatt.co.uk or IT Manager: +44(0)1737 241144 Fax: +44(0)1737 241496 Watson Wyatt Partners is regulated by the Institute of Actuaries in the conduct of UK investment business. _________________________________________________________________ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Apr 29 14:52:25 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id OAA02415 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 14:37:39 +0100 (BST) Received: from amsta.leeds.ac.uk (amsta.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA02397 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 14:37:37 +0100 (BST) Received: from newton.leeds.amsta (newton.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.64]) by amsta.leeds.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA26096 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 14:38:30 +0100 (BST) Received: by newton.leeds.amsta (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id OAA24508; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 14:40:53 +0100 Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 14:40:53 +0100 From: amtsjh@amsta.leeds.ac.uk (S J Hill) Message-Id: <199804291340.OAA24508@newton.leeds.amsta> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Women's Ultimate X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Continuing from what Laura said... 1. Nice one Laura. Wise words. 2. From the perspective of providing women's tourneys - for those of you who didn't see it in Tour Flya I there will be a women's division at Tour V in Exeter this year. I hope that this will be a success - and that it will lead to us having a women's division at some (I doubt all) of the Tour Events in 1999. I appreciate the worries about whether there are quite enough women players for this; and also that in 99 some thought will have to be put to the needs of the teams/players in (hopefully 3?) women's teams going to WUCC in St. Andrews. 3. In response to Jim: >I believe that splitting the sport into single sex competitions would be >a very bad idea. Having *sold* Ultimate at countless Fresher's Fairs, I >am certain that one of the unique selling points of the sport is the >fact that men and women can AND DO play together in a game. > >Without this, I don't believe we would attract as many women to even >attempt to play, which in turn surely can't be any good for Women's >Ultimate, or for Ultimate in general. I don't think I could disagree more strongly, (having sold ultimate at countless Fresher's Fairs!) For the last few years we've had good numbers of women at the beginning of the year (here in Leeds) - but they leave. In particular, those that we 'coaxed' from the netball club by offering free membership are immediately struck by the strangeness of such a physical game being played in such an unstructured co-ed fashion. I think I've made my views on this clear before. Back to work. Si From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Apr 29 15:32:20 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id PAA10858 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 15:12:35 +0100 (BST) Received: from wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk (wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk [131.111.48.24]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA10851 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 15:12:33 +0100 (BST) Received: by wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk (UK-Smail 3.1.25.1/15) id <m0yUXb6-0005UoC@wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk>; Wed, 29 Apr 98 15:12 BST Message-Id: <m0yUXb6-0005UoC@wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 29 Apr 98 15:12 BST From: mackay@mrao.cam.ac.uk (David J.C. MacKay) To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: womens ultimate and the BUF development working group. Cc: mackay@mrao.cam.ac.uk Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi all, Laura and Wayne have recently sent discussion about development of women's ultimate to britdisc. Suggestion: Maybe this sort of discussion should be continued on udwg@mrao.cam.ac.uk This is the email list for the Ultimate Development Working Group. If you want to participate in this sort of discussion , you can join the group email list by sending the message subscribe to the address udwg-request@mrao.cam.ac.uk. Current topics being discussed by the group are tournament formats, local leagues, regional competitions, coaching qualifications, etc. Come and join in if you want to participate in growing British Ultimate. Yours, David p.s. of course, if people want to use britdisc for this discussion, go ahead! I just thought I should announce the new email list anyway... -------------------------------------------------------------------------- David J.C. MacKay email: mackay@mrao.cam.ac.uk www: http://wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk/mackay/ Cavendish Laboratory, tel: (01223) 339852 fax: 354599 home: 740511 Madingley Road, international code: +44 1223 Cambridge CB3 0HE. U.K. room: 961 Rutherford Building --- Please note NEW home phone number, 740511, or x40511 from Univ. network, effective 28.4.98 From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Apr 29 16:14:31 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id PAA20935 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 15:57:13 +0100 (BST) Received: from artemis.le.ac.uk (artemis.le.ac.uk [143.210.16.126]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA20904 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 15:57:04 +0100 (BST) Received: from harrier.le.ac.uk ([143.210.8.56]) by artemis.le.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk id 0yUYKH-0007ey-00; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 15:59:13 +0100 Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 15:56:42 +0100 (BST) From: "B. Ravilious" <br5@leicester.ac.uk> X-Sender: br5@harrier To: Britdisc <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Women's Ultimate: The beginning of the end? Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.96.980429141336.21548A-100000@harrier> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi Laura. I think you'll have a lively debate on this one! ;-) I've added some thoughts of my own to your piece. ================================================================================ Ben Ravilious, (0116) 2559638 home br5@le.ac.uk (0116) 2525824 work ORACLE Trial Playing Ultimate for RED University of Leicester www.ultimateweb.co.uk/red/ ================================================================================ On Tue, 28 Apr 1998 laurapearce@btinternet.com wrote: > There are naturally differences between the sexes, factors such as speed, > strength and height (although NOT skills) which become more accentuated as > Ultimate develops and becomes more competitive. I agree. The introduction of the > Tour has given all teams the opportunity to be more competitive and this is > not a privilege just to be enjoyed by the top teams. I agree again. > Few can argue against > the fact that the men's game has and is getting stronger, but as this > happens there is a danger the women's game will get left behind. Possibly. > > For female Ultimate players (in general), there are only two options which > would improve the standard of women and the women's game: > > 1. To split some or all of Ultimate by sex eg. Tour, Nationals, > 2. To play co-ed Ultimate, including at major events/tournaments where ALL > teams have to adhere to a compulsory gender specification (eg. 5-2, 4-3 > split) > > HOWEVER, as the situation in GB stands at present, the second option is not > viable because as the level of competition is improving in the men's game, > it is a step backwards in its development to then play co-ed ultimate > instead. Absolutely. Personally I don't like the idea of enforcing numbers of men and women in serious competition. > > This leaves the first option. The only way to improve women's ultimate is > to have more of it. Very True. This is happening to a certain extent with the women's > tournaments that have taken place, but this is only the tip of the iceberg > and more needs to be done. > > More points about separating ultimate by sex: > > 1. In the vast majority of sports, especially team sports, women do not > compete against men in the same way as in ultimate in GB, because it is not > realistic. When ultimate was first 'born', by its very nature it challenged > the traditional beliefs associated with men and women and sport. It is true > that the fact that women have the chance to play against men is one aspect > of the sport that makes it different and arguably special. However, it is > possible that this very aspect is holding back its development. In order > for Ultimate to develop (assuming that this is the aim), it needs more > people to take it seriously. It seems unlikely that non-players will take > it seriously as a sport when there are aspects which make it come across as > more of a recreation than anything else. Now I don't agree. Do you mean to say that we should stop playing unenforced mixed ultimate just because some people might not take it seriously? Surely as our culture learns to deal with sexual equality (which it has NOT yet done!) games such as Ultimate will stand out as a shining example? Ultimate has a problem with not being taken seriously primarily beacuse it has a pretentious name and is played with a Frisbee! Being mixed is the least of our worries. 100 years ago the idea of mixed sport would have been laughed at. Today it is accepted if somewhat sidelined. What will the future hold? I think more and more women are realising that sport is an option for them. > 2. An argument put forward for women to play 'open' ultimate is that they > can push themselves harder against men or that there is not enough women's > competition. If the women's game was stronger, it would not only mean > increased competition for existing players, but would also be more likely to > attract sportswomen from other sports, which could then also raise the > level. > > 3. While the national team is not the only consideration for women's > ultimate, the national team (for any sport) can only be as good as the > structure below it. The ideal scenario would be to get to a stage where a > women's tour could be run alongside the men's tour and where women would > choose to play in the women's tour, rather than in the men's/open tour. > Unfortunately, this cannot be achieved overnight. If partition is what you want then who am I to argue with that? HOWEVER, I don't want to be around on the day when mixed teams are not allowed in major competition. > > 4. Playing in and against women's teams gives players more all-round > experience of women's ultimate. It also improves players' confidence and > ability at club level which they can then bring to international level > (Worlds and World Clubs) rather than trying to improve confidence and > ability at national level training or in games against 'open' teams. Yes the confidence boost of playing womens only events is undoubtedly good. A > women's tour could then also lead to Nationals and men's and women's > nationals could be held alongside each other (this would require Nationals > to be split into men's and women's). A women's tour would not benefit from > having one stacked team, but using the last two women's tournaments as > examples (indoor nationals and Spring into Action) the stronger, more > experienced players have been spread over several teams and this would need > to continue initially. Laura do YOU personally not want to play on mixed teams? > > It is important to stress that the success of having men's and women's > ultimate would depend on running alongside each other and not separating > them completely. No they would soon start to separate. in 20 years time, given enough women playing there would be no need to have the sexes playing alongside each other Also, if what you say about the development of the mens game is true, you wouldn't want it stealing the show when the women are playing "over on pitch x". > > 5. Mixed Ultimate need not be abolished and it is important that those > players who want to play co-ed ultimate (as opposed to open) still have that > opportunity. That might mean ensuring some tournaments outside Nationals > and the tour are co-ed (ie 5-2/4-3 split). This gives women a chance to > play on teams with men, but be generally playing against women. It is up to > those people to put in the groundwork in organising co-ed events. I think mixed would quickly dissappeared if men and women were pushed into only playing on single sex teams. > > To finish: > More women's ultimate means better women's ultimate so lets try and find > ways to make it happen. I wholely agree with that statement. But I am inclined to re-write it: "More ultimate women means better women's ultimate"! And here's my "vision" of the future: The main reason why all this talk of splitting is going on is because NOT ENOUGH WOMEN PLAY ULTIMATE.(or indeed any sports) Agree with me so far? Surely being mixed is a great factor in attracting people to ultimate? I dont know how much recruiting you've done recently. I've run loads of freshers fairs etc. The biggest problem I encountered was that women simply didn't come into the sports fair in large numbers! I think we've recruited a fair cross section of the people in the room it's just most of them were men! Seems like the usual cultural hang-ups about sex and sport! It would be nice to hear some more responses on this from women. Just two blokes replying so far! Cheers Ben From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Apr 29 16:15:51 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id QAA24233 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 16:10:50 +0100 (BST) Received: from smtpgate.cablecorporation.co.uk (mailgate.cablecorporation.co.uk [195.173.20.38]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA24204 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 16:10:46 +0100 (BST) Received: from [123.8.2.123] (HELO cablecorporation) by smtpgate.cablecorporation.co.uk (AltaVista Mail V1.0/1.0 BL18 listener) id 0000_0064_3547_4286_7a44; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 16:08:54 +0100 X-Mailer: BeyondMail for Windows/Professional 2.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; boundary="BeyondBoundary_7_Wed_Apr_29_16:09:50_1998__2CD6" To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: Mark Wideberg <mark_wideberg@cablecorporation.co.uk> Subject: Womens ultimate - a comment on co-ed only Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 16:09:39 -0700 X-BeyondMail-Priority: 1 Message-Id: <BMSMTP89389121414markwide@smtpgate.cablecorporation.co.uk> Conversation-Id: <BMSMTP89389121415markwide@smtpgate.cablecorporation.co.uk> Reply-To: Mark Wideberg <mark_wideberg@cablecorporation.co.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk --BeyondBoundary_7_Wed_Apr_29_16:09:50_1998__2CD6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Coming from NZ where we play co-ed, my only comments are that co-ed is the best kind of ultimate there is. That's my (male) perspective of course. Perhaps the kiwi women in the UK can comment? Mark First Touch (yeah, two emails from me in the same day!) --BeyondBoundary_7_Wed_Apr_29_16:09:50_1998__2CD6 Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="ATTRIBS.BND" Content-Transfer-Encoding: Base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="ATTRIBS.BND" QmV5b25kIFBhY2tlZCBBdHRyaWJ1dGVzACw8ABEAKAAAAAAAV29tZW5zIHVs dGltYXRlIC0gYSBjb21tZW50IG9uIGNvLWVkIG9ubHkAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AG1hcmtfd2lkZWJlcmcAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA8Qk1TTVRQODkzODkxMjE0MTRt YXJrd2kAQmV5b25kIFByb3ByaWV0YXJ5IERhdGEaAAAAAAQAAAAAAAAADwA8 AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAQ29udmVyc2F0aW9uIElkOzxCTVNNVFA4 OTM4OTEyMTQxNW1hcmt3aWRlQHNtdHBnYXRlLmNhYmxlY29ycG9yYXRpb24u Y28udWs+BAAAAAAAAAAQAAkAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABNZXNzYWdl IEVuY29kaW5nCElTTy04ODU5AQAAAAAAAAAVAAMAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAABVc2UgUHJvcG9ydGlvbmFsIEZvbnQBAAERAAAAAAAAAAQArQEAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAFRleHT+AENvbWluZyBmcm9tIE5aIHdoZXJlIHdl IHBsYXkgY28tZWQsIG15IG9ubHkgY29tbWVudHMgYXJlIHRoYXQgY28tZWQg aXMgdGhlIGJlc3Qga2luZCBvZiB1bHRpbWF0ZSB0aGVyZSBpcy4gVGhhdCdz IG15IChtYWxlKSBwZXJzcGVjdGl2ZSBvZiBjb3Vyc2UuIFBlcmhhcHMgdGhl IGtpd2kgd29tZW4gaW4gdGhlIFVLIGNhbiBjb21tZW50PwoKTWFyawpGaXJz dCBUb3VjaAooeWVhaCwgdHdvIGVtYWlscyBmcm9tIG1lIGluIHRoZSBzYW1l IGRheSEpqQADAP4AogABAAEAAAAFAAEAAQABAP4AAAAAAAAAOP8AAAAAAACQ AQAAAAAAAAAATVMgU2FucyBTZXJpZgAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AQABAMEAAQDCAMIAAQDDAMcAAQDIANMAAQDUAP8AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAZAAB pAEBSAMB7AQBkAYBNAgB2AkBfAsBIA0BxA4BaBABDBIBsBMBVBUB+BYEAAAA AAAAAAAAABAABgAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAEF0dGFjaG1lbnQgQ291 bnQEAAAAAAA= --BeyondBoundary_7_Wed_Apr_29_16:09:50_1998__2CD6-- From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Apr 29 17:43:24 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id RAA10412 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 17:19:56 +0100 (BST) Received: from alpha2.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (alpha2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.2.9]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA10364 for <BRITDISC@CSV.WARWICK.AC.UK>; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 17:19:48 +0100 (BST) From: JN061@mdx.ac.uk Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V5.1-10 #18910) id <01IWG6X5BIU88X6F61@mdx.ac.uk> for BRITDISC@CSV.WARWICK.AC.UK; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 17:21:49 BST Received: from mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V5.1-10 #18910) id <01IWG6WASSAY8X4MOV@mdx.ac.uk> for BRITDISC@CSV.WARWICK.AC.UK; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 17:21:36 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 17:21:36 +0100 (BST) To: BRITDISC@csv.warwick.ac.uk Message-id: <01IWG6WASSB08X4MOV@mdx.ac.uk> X-VMS-To: BRITDISC@CSV.WARWICK.AC.UK MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Chaos tournament - 30/31 May. Please make cheque's payable to Joanne Nurney. Sorry for the oversight. Jo From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Apr 29 18:03:38 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id RAA16202 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 17:48:47 +0100 (BST) Received: from smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk (smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk [193.114.232.134]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA16184 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 17:48:42 +0100 (BST) From: Wayne_Retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk Received: from ccMail by smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk (IMA Internet Exchange 3.0 Enterprise) id 00002EB9; Wed, 29 Apr 98 17:49:11 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 17:46:48 +0100 Message-ID: <00002EB9.eval@watsonwyatt.co.uk> Subject: Re: Women's Ultimate: The beginning of the end? To: Britdisc <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Ben Ravilliouse wrote: BR>No they [Men's Ultimate and Women's Ultimate] would soon start to BR> separate. in 20 years time, given enough women BR> playing there would be no need to have the sexes playing alongside BR>each other I agree, but I think there will be some women who don't want to play Women's Ultimate if they can play with an Open team... I know that Red Lights (Amsterdam) have (had?) a couple of women in their Open Team, even when they entered teams into the Women's Division at a few tournaments Are there any women playing for Open teams in the States (where the Women's Division is better developed), even though their club has a team in the Women's division? Do we know WHY? And another thought about CoEd - why are WFDF seemingly pushing the CoEd aspects of Ultimate again, to the extent of having a CoEd division at Worlds, for the first time, this year? (if you're going to reply with the "'cos they need the teams" answer, don't bother - I've had that already!) Wayne apologies for the HUGE disclaimer following... ________________________________________________________________ Notice of Confidentiality This transmission is intended for the named addressee only. It contains information which may be confidential and which may also be privileged. Unless you are the named addressee (or authorised to receive it for the addressee) you may not copy or use it, or disclose it to anyone else. If you have received this transmission in error please contact: ~admin@watsonwyatt.co.uk or IT Manager: +44(0)1737 241144 Fax: +44(0)1737 241496 Watson Wyatt Partners is regulated by the Institute of Actuaries in the conduct of UK investment business. _________________________________________________________________ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Apr 29 18:04:04 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id RAA15208 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 17:43:54 +0100 (BST) Received: from alpha2.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (alpha2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.2.9]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA15185 for <BRITDISC@CSV.WARWICK.AC.UK>; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 17:43:50 +0100 (BST) From: JN061@mdx.ac.uk Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V5.1-10 #18910) id <01IWG7R53KU88X5VK9@mdx.ac.uk> for BRITDISC@CSV.WARWICK.AC.UK; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 17:45:53 BST Received: from mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V5.1-10 #18910) id <01IWG7JBXUJQ8X4MOV@mdx.ac.uk> for BRITDISC@CSV.WARWICK.AC.UK; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 17:45:47 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 17:45:47 +0100 (BST) Subject: Womens Ultimate To: BRITDISC@csv.warwick.ac.uk Message-id: <01IWG7JBXVHK8X4MOV@mdx.ac.uk> X-VMS-To: BRITDISC@CSV.WARWICK.AC.UK MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Dear Laura I have just read Bens comments on womens ulitmate and agree with much of what he has said. I have not played womens ultimate yet but would like to give it a try - at a hat tournament perhaps - as I think the more experience I get the better I get at ultimate. As for making it completely separate I don't agree. I happen to think that mixing the teams is really great and its what makes the sport such fun. I have found it very difficult in trying to generate enthusiasm for frisbee and trying to recruit people from Uni to join in the game purely through lack of interest in sports in general (plus Middlesex is so spread out transport can be a problem for many people). What am I saying? Lets not separate the sexes. Yes there are differences between the sexes but mixed teams are something worth keeping for sure. Lets have more tournaments, more friendlies and yes womens ulitmate but lets not make it a big issue. Jo from chaos From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Apr 29 18:36:28 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id SAA21879 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 18:18:19 +0100 (BST) Received: from venus.open.ac.uk (venus.open.ac.uk [137.108.143.2]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA21865 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 18:18:17 +0100 (BST) Received: from edison.open.ac.uk by venus with SMTP Local (MMTA v2.2) with ESMTP; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 16:35:12 +0100 Received: by edison.open.ac.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id <HCHDDXKG>; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 16:35:11 +0100 Message-ID: <F0A4BEFB2587D011BBF50000F830A0DA011F057F@edison.open.ac.uk> From: "S.J.Pierson" <S.J.Pierson@open.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Kowpat Reminder Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 16:35:09 +0100 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id SAA21867 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk This is a quick reminder for those coming to Kowpat '98 to send in your cash as soon as possible to Matt Hinton, Open University Business School, Walton Hall, Milton Keynes, MK7 6AA. Tournie fees are £65. There'll be 16 teams, 4 great pitches, all day bar and food both days, camping, party in pavilion overlooking the pitches on Saturday night, full breakfast on Sunday morning. Check out our website for further details - http://www-cs.open.ac.uk/~martin/pages/Mad_Kows.html So let me know if you're coming and send your cash to Matt by 8 May at the latest. Thanks, Sara From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Apr 29 18:38:15 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id SAA22721 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 18:23:58 +0100 (BST) Received: from lupin (hyuio@lupin-fddi [137.205.4.7]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA22694; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 18:23:54 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 18:23:47 +0100 (BST) From: Ms S E Gibbons <hyuio@csv.warwick.ac.uk> X-Sender: hyuio@lupin Reply-To: Ms S E Gibbons <hyuio@csv.warwick.ac.uk> To: 9361247@arran.sms.ed.ac.uk cc: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: RE: Women's Ultimate In-Reply-To: <17D41F725AE@arran.sms.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.980429132959.5159A-100000@lily> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Perhaps we need to decide what exactly the focus of women's ultimate is. Although this may not be the case now, in the past it has often been sold as a kind of sideline to enable women to find means(tactical awareness, disc skills, guile) of competing equally in teams dominated by men. What we should be saying is that women can get alot out of playing in both open and women's divisions and they should be encouraged to do both. Women's ultimate has expanded rapidly over the past couple of years and we should should acknowledge the efforts being made by Sue Underwood & co. to create a database of all female players in the UK and to encouage women only training sessions which have happened all over the country over the last year or so. However, as Ben said, to improve the standard of Women's ultimate WE HAVE TO GET MORE WOMEN TO PLAY. Student clubs should be examining why so many women turn up for the first few practices and then disappear. Each student club should have a women's officer who should organise women-only training sessions AS WELL AS ENCOURAGING THEM TO PLAY IN MIXED ULTIMATE SESSIONS. I think it's true to say that most women develop more confidence playing with other women where obvious short-comings like speed and height are less significant, but they should learn to apply the skills they learn playing in women only sessions to the mixed or co-ed game. Female players haev to understand the value of playing both women's and mixed ultimate and all student clubs should be encouraging this. Sarah Gibbons A bear - until June at least! From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Apr 29 18:41:18 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id SAA24732 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 18:36:35 +0100 (BST) Received: from praseodumium (praseodumium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.82]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA24712 for <Britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 18:36:31 +0100 (BST) Received: from btinternet.com [195.99.49.239] by praseodumium with smtp (Exim 1.70 #1) id 0yUalo-0007UG-00; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 18:35:49 +0100 Message-ID: <MAPI.Id.0016.0061726b2e4a6a203536343230303146@MAPI.to.RFC822> To: "'Britdisc'" <Britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mark Jefferson <Mark.Jj@btinternet.com> Subject: DDC Date: Wed, 29 Apr 98 17:36:39 +0100 ( + ) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id SAA24722 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi Folks OK - out on a limb here. Am bored with Ultimate. (Only joking.) Seriously, however, we are a family of sports and I would like to see it grow in that way. So, my request is this..... If anybody out there would be interested in spending one day - possibly August bank holiday monday, but any other available time - in the UK's first DDC tournament let me know. If I get enough positive response I will be spurred into action. Fail to write and I may hang myself in shame. yours in anticipation Mark Jefferson Whiplash 14 Troutbeck Peartree Bridge Milton Keynes MK6 3ED 01908 666573 Mark.JJ@btinternet.com From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Apr 29 20:01:57 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id TAA05384 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 19:47:10 +0100 (BST) Received: from crocus (pgpyz@crocus-fddi [137.205.4.6]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA05368; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 19:47:02 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 19:46:59 +0100 (BST) From: Ms D A Bagley <pgpyz@csv.warwick.ac.uk> X-Sender: pgpyz@crocus To: Mark Jefferson <Mark.Jj@btinternet.com> cc: "'Britdisc'" <Britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Re: DDC In-Reply-To: <MAPI.Id.0016.0061726b2e4a6a203536343230303146@MAPI.to.RFC822> Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.980429194511.16302D-100000@crocus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk I may be tentatively interested (although August is a bad month for me) but can I cheekily suggest that you might like to include Guts.....How do other people feel about a 'Disc sports' event where Ultimate and Golf are not necessarily the main attractions...... On Wed, 29 Apr 1998, Mark Jefferson wrote: > Hi Folks > > OK - out on a limb here. Am bored with Ultimate. (Only joking.) Seriously, however, we are a family of sports and I would like to > see it grow in that way. So, my request is this..... > > If anybody out there would be interested in spending one day - possibly August bank holiday monday, but any other available > time - in the UK's first DDC tournament let me know. If I get enough positive response I will be spurred into action. Fail to write > and I may hang myself in shame. > > yours in anticipation > Mark Jefferson > Whiplash > > 14 Troutbeck > Peartree Bridge > Milton Keynes > MK6 3ED > 01908 666573 > > Mark.JJ@btinternet.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Apr 29 20:08:29 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id UAA07779 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 20:04:29 +0100 (BST) Received: from crocus (pgpyz@crocus-fddi [137.205.4.6]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA07770 for <Britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 20:04:27 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 20:04:25 +0100 (BST) From: Ms D A Bagley <pgpyz@csv.warwick.ac.uk> X-Sender: pgpyz@crocus To: Britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Prodded into action Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.980429194812.16302E-100000@crocus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk At last I've decided to get into the women's ultimate (AND OTHER VERY IMPORTANT ISSUES) debate. Some personal issues here.......(and I apologise for repeating what others have said). I for one would stop playing Ultimate if it was split into Men's and Women's divisions. How many women actually want to play women only Ultimate? It would be interesting to know. I personally feel that introducing Co-Ed divisions in tournaments/ whatever encourages 'open'(or rather male dominated) teams to side line women as they 'only' have to have women on their team at those times. Yes, women and men have a number of physical differences but these can be played to everyone' s advantage if the players are skilled and aware enough (small women can often out dodge tall fast male players long enough to be thrown to etc). WHy the obsession with splitting female Ultimate from male? It's counter productive in my mind and highlight the DIFFERENCES rather than celebrating the joint experience of playing a fast dynamic game with people of a similar attitude. On a vaguely similar note two FAR MORE SERIOUS issues we need to address include encouraging more people from ethnic backgrounds to play. How many black people do you see play Ultimate in this country - THAT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO ADDRESS. Onto the WSJ article - illegal drugs are an issue in Ultimate in this country. I've had (British) Masters players boast to me about encouraging (British) JUNIORS to take drugs in INternational tournaments - do you think that gives our sport a good name. Are teams caught smoking/ taking illegal drugs during games punished at all (we can all think of teams at every level who have openly taken drugs on the pitchside)? WHether you think some drugs should be legalised or not is irrelevant - do we want a similar story hitting the press in this country? THESE TEAMS ARE BREAKING THE LAW AND BEHAVING IRRESPONSIBLY. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Apr 29 21:25:32 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id VAA16398 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 21:11:29 +0100 (BST) Received: from mercury.ukc.ac.uk (mercury.ukc.ac.uk [129.12.21.10]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA16354 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 21:11:14 +0100 (BST) Received: from crane.ukc.ac.uk by mercury.ukc.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Wed, 29 Apr 1998 21:11:09 +0100 Received: from pcdcp021.ukc.ac.uk by crane.ukc.ac.uk (SMI-8.6/UKC-2.14) id VAA11697; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 21:11:06 +0100 From: Richard Crick <rjdc1@ukc.ac.uk> Reply-To: rjdc1@ukc.ac.uk To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Student Outdoors Message-ID: <SIMEON.9804292158.B@pcdcp021.ukc.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 21:09:58 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: Simeon for Win32 Version 4.1.2 Build (29) X-Authentication: none MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hey y'all, Having entered 2 teams we're having a bit of a personel crisis here at Toxic Ninja Attack (work, apparently!), so if anyone would like to pick up for our second team at Leicester this weekend please let me know. I'm aware that the team'll basically be disqualified, but we'd rather play with who we've got rather than waste our 70 quid. So whatta ya say? It's an attractive offer: Be a Ninja for a weekend. Meet new friends and win their respect and gratitude. Teach us how to play. etc. (Si - What's the ruling on this? Please tell me if it causes problems.) Thanks for your time! Hai-ruken! Jamie, Toxic Ninja Attack. ---------------------- Richard Crick rjdc1@ukc.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Apr 29 23:09:44 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id WAA26387 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 22:35:32 +0100 (BST) Received: from tungsten (tungsten.btinternet.com [194.73.73.81]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA26382 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 22:35:31 +0100 (BST) From: laurapearce@btinternet.com Received: from mail.btinternet.com [195.99.59.196] by tungsten with smtp (Exim 1.70 #1) id 0yUeVM-0002l4-00; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 22:35:05 +0100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail and News for Macintosh - 1.1 (34) Subject: Women's Ultimate - clarification To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: <E0yUeVM-0002l4-00@tungsten> Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 22:35:05 +0100 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Good to see people do have an opinion on this issue. However, I would like to make a clarification which should make further discussion more relevant. I am not suggesting splitting Ultimate into men's and women's and completely abolishing mixed. On the contrary, if women (and men come to that) want to play open/mixed ultimate then I think they should. I am merely suggesting that there may be advantages in providing more options, one of which is women's ultimate, another of which is slight amendments/variations to mixed ultimate as it stands now. Laura From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Apr 30 00:58:03 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id AAA10564 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 00:38:29 +0100 (BST) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA10538 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 00:38:07 +0100 (BST) Received: from phidelta.demon.co.uk ([158.152.248.177]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa2028560; 29 Apr 98 23:30 GMT Message-ID: <hevavAAFf7R1Eww9@phidelta.demon.co.uk> Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 00:29:09 +0100 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: Wayne Retter <wayne@phidelta.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: Women's Ultimate - clarification In-Reply-To: <E0yUeVM-0002l4-00@tungsten> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Trial Version 3.04 <pjZRgFWDsQK5ViyP$l4rxVrb6a> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk laurapearce@btinternet.com writes >I am not suggesting splitting Ultimate into men's and women's and completely >abolishing mixed. On the contrary, if women (and men come to that) want to >play open/mixed ultimate then I think they should. I am merely suggesting >that there may be advantages in providing more options, one of which is >women's ultimate, another of which is slight amendments/variations to mixed >ultimate as it stands now. So how about we organise a 'two-in-one tournament'? (with a women's bias?) along the lines of: "Women's Division" and "CoEd Division" at the same event, where the women are allowed to play for a Womens Team AND a CoEd team (or, a womens team [10 players?] are allowed to add [4 or 6] men to enter the [5-2 or 4-3] CoEd Division that way, some of the men who want to play CoEd can partake, but the CoEd games (Round Robin?) will finish BEFORE the Womens Final starts, so the Final has an mixed audience and supporters. what do you reckon? which weekend? roughly where? I think I might be volunteering to help (!) Wayne Retter wondering where he put his Layout Dreams hat... -------------------------- Wayne Retter Wayne@phidelta.demon.co.uk http://www.phidelta.demon.co.uk/ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Apr 30 08:44:11 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id IAA07437 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 08:25:33 +0100 (BST) Received: from charon.cargill.com (charon.cargill.com [167.136.225.225]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA07424 for <Britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 08:25:30 +0100 (BST) From: Andy_Lucey@cargill.com Received: from hermes.cargill.com (hermes.cargill.com [167.136.226.140]) by charon.cargill.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA17947 for <Britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 02:24:45 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lonn.cgo.cargill.com (lonn.cgo.cargill.com [172.31.59.51]) by hermes.cargill.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id CAA20265 for <Britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 02:24:44 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost by lonn.cgo.cargill.com (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA24504; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 08:24:07 +0100 X-Openmail-Hops: 1 Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 08:23:53 +0100 Message-Id: <H00000e3029d44e1@MHS> In-Reply-To: <MAPI.Id.0016.0061726b2e4a6a203536343230303146@MAPI.to.RFC822> Subject: Re: DDC Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Mark.Jj@btinternet.com Cc: Britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; name="DDC" Content-Disposition: inline; filename="DDC" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk mark, i think you would find quite a positive interest in a ddc event. Several years ago there was an 'active' ddc scene during which several tournaments were held in addition to regular get-together by a dozen or so players. You will definately get interest from the old hombres, redskins, lurkers and stan boys. In addition, playing any other disc sport definately improves your throwing skills thereby helping your ultimate- in which case, everyone should go ! By the way- not a bank holiday... ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: DDC Author: Mark.Jj at lonn-unix-mime/DD.RFC-822=Mark.Jj@btinternet.com Date: 29/04/98 17:36 Hi Folks OK - out on a limb here. Am bored with Ultimate. (Only joking.) Seriously, ho wever, we are a family of sports and I would like to see it grow in that way. So, my request is this..... If anybody out there would be interested in spending one day - possibly August b ank holiday monday, but any other available time - in the UK's first DDC tournament let me know. If I get enough positive r esponse I will be spurred into action. Fail to write and I may hang myself in shame. yours in anticipation Mark Jefferson Whiplash 14 Troutbeck Peartree Bridge Milton Keynes MK6 3ED 01908 666573 Mark.JJ@btinternet.com From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Apr 30 11:00:44 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id KAA27254 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 10:14:13 +0100 (BST) Received: from UPIMSSMTPUSR02 (smtp.email.msn.com [207.68.143.138] (may be forged)) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA27188 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 10:13:51 +0100 (BST) Received: from oliver - 193.149.70.88 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 02:13:04 -0700 From: "OllieW" <daveo_allen@email.msn.com> To: <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Dazed @ Confused Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 10:10:26 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Message-ID: <035770413091e48UPIMSSMTPUSR02@email.msn.com> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hey crazy Ms Bagley, Are teams caught smoking/ taking illegal drugs during games punished at all (we can all think of teams at every level who have openly taken drugs on the pitchside)? I am now offering you a mandate to chastise me roughly anytime you damn well can. Perhaps some sort of special uniform would be required so that you could be distinguished clearly from the criminal element. I love you, Non-stick From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Apr 30 11:15:55 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id LAA09554 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 11:00:36 +0100 (BST) Received: from [137.205.222.1] (mac-wie-31 [137.205.222.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA09528; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 11:00:31 +0100 (BST) X-Sender: serai@mail.csv.warwick.ac.uk Message-Id: <l03102800b16de041f8c9@[137.205.222.1]> In-Reply-To: <m0yUZt6-0004LSC@mraos.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 11:01:56 +0100 To: <Matthew.Lowe@dial.pipex.com> From: Dave Neilson <D.P.Neilson@warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Re: TV coverage Cc: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Matt wrote: >I think this could be a brilliant way of getting people involved in the >sport. I got involved in Ultimate by seeing something on TV. There were me >and two of my friends waiting for another friend to call round, he was >late. We put the TV on to find Transworld Sport on. We watched their report >from the Worlds, not a word was spoken. The report finished, I turned the >TV off and said "lets go and give that ago". We thourly enjoyed ourselves >and have been playing since and my friend never did find us! I think in another posting you explained that you are about 17 years old ... I would just like to point out that even though I have been playing (non-stop) for seventeen years now (Ultimate, Disc Golf, Guts, DDC and all the other individuals events too) BUT your little anecdote about seeing Ultimate on TV and immediately wanting to go and try it out raised all the hairs on the back of my neck! One of the reasons I have not yet got bored with disc sports is the fact that they inspire that feeling in me every day! The day I feel I have nothing left to learn will be the day I hang up my boots. Long may you play Matt and keep coming up with your enthusiastic ideas on the development front. Oh, and by-the-way, try out some of the other disc sports too - they will help your Ultimate skills for sure! I'm off to the Isle of Mull today for a Disc Golf event - at least eight hours driving each way to play two days of golf and guaranteed to get soaking wet from the wind and rainstorms that roll off the North Atlantic ..... but I will be back in time for the next BUF Tour event in Birmingham - hope to see you there. Take care, Sam Neilson. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Apr 30 12:27:19 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id LAA24170 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 11:53:41 +0100 (BST) Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (imo22.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.66]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA24064 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 11:53:21 +0100 (BST) Received: from DBiag@aol.com by imo22.mx.aol.com (IMOv14.1) id LSIZa02409 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 06:52:40 -0400 (EDT) From: D Biag <DBiag@aol.com> Message-ID: <400fd62.354857f9@aol.com> Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 06:52:40 EDT To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Women's Ultimate Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0.i for Windows sub 164 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Since I'm not presently playing, as a expecting mother for the second time, I don't usually participate in these discussions but limit myself to reading about them. However, the Women's Ultimate discussion instigated by Laura (to my delight) hit a cord with me. When I first moved to this country from the U.S. 5 1/2 years ago, I was not only one of the oldest women's players (at 28) but also one of the few who had actually played in a Women's team. Although I enjoyed playing co-ed here (and I played with what at the time was the best open team in the country) I sorely missed my women's team. Co-ed was good for my stamina and speed but it did not allow me to develop my skills and tactical thinking because I had to focus on making up for height and speed (and I'm not particularly slow; or I wasn't then anyway). Most importantly, I missed the bonding that I felt playing with women. This is not to say that some kind of bonding cannot take place in co-ed teams but it's quite different and for me, not as athletically fulfilling. It is more of a social bond. The difference in this country is that the game is younger (especially for women) than in the States. It is difficult for women to find role models who might inspire them to be on a women's team since most female players are still in their twenties. When I first started playing Ultimate in the States some of the best and most experienced players where in their early to middle thirties (some even nearing 40) and my perception of the women's game was therefore quite different from that of the average British female player. I have also played in very competitive co-ed tournaments in the States and, more recently in this country, and would do so again at the drop of a hat. All I am saying is that the Women's tournaments filled an athletic void for me that the co-ed scene could never fill. And this might be true of other women. Finally, I would like to point out that the first female club teams in Britain were only formed three to four years ago (with Twin Peaks and Bliss) and from where I'm standing it seems like they have grown tremendously in that period. To say that women are not interested in playing for women's teams is premature and in view of the quickness of its growth, probably incorrect. As an ageing player I would love to see the women's club scene develop not only because I enjoy playing for women teams but because I often prefer watching them! (sorry guys) Diana Biagioli (formerly of Bliss) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Apr 30 13:17:03 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id MAA11428 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 12:53:59 +0100 (BST) Received: from exchpk01.chelt.ac.uk (exchpk01.chelt.ac.uk [194.66.194.228]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA11411 for <Britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 12:53:56 +0100 (BST) Received: by exchpk01.chelt.ac.uk with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD7436.FCBF66A0@exchpk01.chelt.ac.uk>; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 12:53:35 +0100 Message-ID: <c=GB%a=_%p=CHELT%l=EXCHPK01-980430115334Z-2630@exchpk01.chelt.ac.uk> From: "HUGHES, Chris" <CHughes@chelt.ac.uk> To: "'Britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk'" <Britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: RE: Prodded into action Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 12:53:34 +0100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk I'm going to reply on a lot of issues, esp. some brought up below. -----Original Message----- From: Ms D A Bagley [SMTP:pgpyz@csv.warwick.ac.uk] Sent: 29 April 1998 20:04 To: Britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Prodded into action At last I've decided to get into the women's ultimate (AND OTHER VERY IMPORTANT ISSUES) debate. Some personal issues here.......(and I apologise for repeating what others have said). I for one would stop playing Ultimate if it was split into Men's and Women's divisions. How many women actually want to play women only Ultimate? It would be interesting to know. I personally feel that introducing Co-Ed divisions in tournaments/ whatever encourages 'open'(or rather male dominated) teams to side line women as they 'only' have to have women on their team at those times. Yes, women and men have a number of physical differences but these can be played to everyone' s advantage if the players are skilled and aware enough (small women can often out dodge tall fast male players long enough to be thrown to etc). WHy the obsession with splitting female Ultimate from male? It's counter productive in my mind and highlight the DIFFERENCES rather than celebrating the joint experience of playing a fast dynamic game with people of a similar attitude. True, there seems to be discussions about the separation of women's ultimate from men's. This would be to the detriment of both games, what is needed is the opportunity to allow women to play the women's game, without penalize their ability to play open. Eventually as women's teams get more, and better the game will naturally drift away from the open. We are, as people like Si has pointed out at a nasty transition phase, British Ultimate is possibly not big enough to maintain two tournaments of sensible sizes on the same weekend, but really too big for one tournament, and the same goes for women's ultimate, lots of players, but not enough are committed to regularly come out and play for a women's tour. This is complicated by the fact that just as our discussion about superteams in open, people want to play at a high a standard as possible, and for some women that is only available in the open teams. I think that the present situation is coping remarkably well (mostly due to Sue and assistants), and if we try and push to hard it will not help. At the moment the best assistance we can give the women's game is to make it as flexible as possible to allow these top players to give as much back to the women's game without penalizing their ability to play at their highest standard. In terms of women's recruitment; yes many female players turn up at university, wanting to play mixed ultimate - often just socially. Others want to compete with the men, others want to play women's. But a lot of women are ignored, after that initial fresher's phase, because often their disc skills are not trusted - rightly or wrongly (how often have you seen disc thrown far too softly to girls - 'because I didn't want it to hurt her' or once they have the disc every one cuts for the dump). Solution - those university teams, with large women's contingent - every so often have women only practices, where when combined with a few experienced players, they are able to learn and play the game without being patronised. Then they are ablr to cope with the open game, this will bring their confidence up. As often the more timid female players when forced to play open because nothing else is available don't want to be the teams weak link. On a vaguely similar note two FAR MORE SERIOUS issues we need to address include encouraging more people from ethnic backgrounds to play. How many black people do you see play Ultimate in this country - THAT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO ADDRESS. Ohh - messy. Traditionally people don't like to discuss this for fear of being called racist or similar, in any sport or situation. Ok most people are brought into the game through university, still a middle / upper class institution, that is generally open to those students who have had good school education. Since a large proportion of blacks, and ethnic minorities, are still based in run down city centre's with poor education and sports facilities, they are less likely to make it to university, so the majority of places where the sport is available is not open to them. Couple this with the fact that we have been discussing a lot to do with the image of the sport, until it becomes socially acceptable in these hot spots of peer pressure (and this is not affected by whether we want this to be true or not), areas where people are still assaulted for supporting the wrong team in any sport, liking the wrong music, or wearing trainers from the wrong sports manufacturer, the game is unlikely to take off. In fact the way forward here is to make the sport socially acceptable, and the easiest way to do that is to get the game watched and accepted by beaming it straight into peoples homes (!!!), and associate the game with the right image - i.e. sponsors. Onto the WSJ article - illegal drugs are an issue in Ultimate in this country. I've had (British) Masters players boast to me about encouraging (British) JUNIORS to take drugs in INternational tournaments - do you think that gives our sport a good name. Are teams caught smoking/ taking illegal drugs during games punished at all (we can all think of teams at every level who have openly taken drugs on the pitchside)? WHether you think some drugs should be legalised or not is irrelevant - do we want a similar story hitting the press in this country? THESE TEAMS ARE BREAKING THE LAW AND BEHAVING IRRESPONSIBLY. Time to drag up ancient history, and renew people affection with Ross-on-Wye, or more precisely the year it was NOT-Ross-on-Wye. One year having got fed up with the facilities at Ross we moved up the road to (somewhere my memory forgets - clos to monmouth) to nicer pitches, better shower facilities, closer pub!!!, but no river. On Saturday night a number of teams who were taking drugs of some kind where generous enough to offer their spliff to a passer by. The Policeman in question wasn't impressed and hauled any one he suspected of possessing drug off to the local nick. I know one person actually had to get a team mate to pretend to their parent to get them out of the slammer, and subsequently was up in court (fairly minor). The upshot is that we where never able to book those pitches again, and Ultimate was considered the sport that brought drugs to that area of Wales. They still remember, and still refuse to hire us the pitches. Hence it has been, and still is Layout Dreams and Druids policy, to eject any players found taking illegal drugs from the site. We won't evict teams from the tournament, but it is very difficult to play if you are not allowed on the pitches. Now that doesn't mean that we go around looking for people taking drug, if they are sensible about it find a quiet out of the way corner and don't disturb anyone then so be it (on the other hand you can drink so much you can't walk and I won't complain - am I being hypocritical??). However the question here is what is legal? If we are trying to promote the sport then we need to consider its image, yet this image is intertwined with the game, remove one, and you are liable to destroy the other. However I believe that in the game most of the time the worst case scenario is just spliffing up - something which if not legal is seen as socially acceptable, as is pooping pills. I don't think any one is taking anything harder, but is that the point? (perhaps people could enlighten us beerheads as to just what the situation with the dopeheads is?) Interesting to note that whilst marijuana if taken in very small amount reduces your inhibitions, but not your ability to perform fine motor control, and hence can be beneficial to your game (same as alcohol) we are not discussing here performance enhancing drugs. As it is most ultimate players would fail a Sunday morning drug test using IOC regulations through; 1. Caffeine - 1 large strong cup of coffee will put you over the limit. 2. Paracetamol / asprin - 2 tablets in four hours is excess 3. Ibufrofen - even if you use the spray / rub enough can invalidate you. 4. Almost any cough remedy available over the counter 5. Ordinary cigarettes 6. Of course alcohol - lower than the legal limit for driving 7. Also any controlled drug I find it very disturbing that people are boasting about giving juniors drug. Yet in my experience those juniors (anyone) that wants drugs, ask and will get them eventually I am not in favour of relaxing the drug laws in this country, yet I do belive that 'soft' drug taking in this country is something that we are going to have to live with; if not accept. Yet those who do endorse, and presumably do take drugs are going to have to act responsibly if they wish to prevent the game getting a bad press, and shutting the game down, because if we want tournaments to improve, and for us to get the better venues, - corporations, sports centres and councils cannot be seen to be endorse the widespread use of drugs, and so will stop us from hosting tournaments reducing the sport to playing on public ground, without facilities or marked pitches. Take drug if you want - but don't make every one else suffer because of it. Chris From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Apr 30 13:17:52 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id NAA16304 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 13:12:56 +0100 (BST) Received: from exchpk01.chelt.ac.uk (exchpk01.chelt.ac.uk [194.66.194.228]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA16294 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 13:12:53 +0100 (BST) Received: by exchpk01.chelt.ac.uk with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD7439.A2050DC0@exchpk01.chelt.ac.uk>; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 13:12:31 +0100 Message-ID: <c=GB%a=_%p=CHELT%l=EXCHPK01-980430121230Z-2642@exchpk01.chelt.ac.uk> From: "HUGHES, Chris" <CHughes@chelt.ac.uk> To: "'D Biag'" <DBiag@aol.com>, "'britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk'" <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: RE: Women's Ultimate Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 13:12:30 +0100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk -----Original Message----- From: D Biag [SMTP:DBiag@aol.com] Subject: Women's Ultimate Since I'm not presently playing, as a expecting mother for the second time Congrats - does this mean that in 15 - 20 years time we'll have a second generation of a Shotgun Druids match with a very partisan crowd of parents on the sideline. :-) Chris From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Apr 30 13:28:04 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id NAA15265 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 13:08:33 +0100 (BST) Received: from exchpk01.chelt.ac.uk (exchpk01.chelt.ac.uk [194.66.194.228]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA15246 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 13:08:31 +0100 (BST) Received: by exchpk01.chelt.ac.uk with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD7439.0624E100@exchpk01.chelt.ac.uk>; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 13:08:10 +0100 Message-ID: <c=GB%a=_%p=CHELT%l=EXCHPK01-980430120808Z-2640@exchpk01.chelt.ac.uk> From: "HUGHES, Chris" <CHughes@chelt.ac.uk> To: "'Britdisc'" <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Prodded into action Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 13:08:08 +0100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk I'm going to reply on a lot of issues, esp. some brought up below. From: Ms D A Bagley [SMTP:pgpyz@csv.warwick.ac.uk] Subject: Prodded into action At last I've decided to get into the women's ultimate (AND OTHER VERY IMPORTANT ISSUES) debate. Some personal issues here.......(and I apologise for repeating what others have said). I for one would stop playing Ultimate if it was split into Men's and Women's divisions. How many women actually want to play women only Ultimate? It would be interesting to know. I personally feel that introducing Co-Ed divisions in tournaments/ whatever encourages 'open'(or rather male dominated) teams to side line women as they 'only' have to have women on their team at those times. Yes, women and men have a number of physical differences but these can be played to everyone' s advantage if the players are skilled and aware enough (small women can often out dodge tall fast male players long enough to be thrown to etc). WHy the obsession with splitting female Ultimate from male? It's counter productive in my mind and highlight the DIFFERENCES rather than celebrating the joint experience of playing a fast dynamic game with people of a similar attitude. Me; True, there seems to be discussions about the separation of women's ultimate from men's. This would be to the detriment of both games, what is needed is the opportunity to allow women to play the women's game, without penalize their ability to play open. Eventually as women's teams get more, and better the game will naturally drift away from the open. We are, as people like Si has pointed out at a nasty transition phase, British Ultimate is possibly not big enough to maintain two tournaments of sensible sizes on the same weekend, but really too big for one tournament, and the same goes for women's ultimate, lots of players, but not enough are committed to regularly come out and play for a women's tour. This is complicated by the fact that just as our discussion about superteams in open, people want to play at a high a standard as possible, and for some women that is only available in the open teams. I think that the present situation is coping remarkably well (mostly due to Sue and assistants), and if we try and push to hard it will not help. At the moment the best assistance we can give the women's game is to make it as flexible as possible to allow these top players to give as much back to the women's game without penalizing their ability to play at their highest standard. In terms of women's recruitment; yes many female players turn up at university, wanting to play mixed ultimate - often just socially. Others want to compete with the men, others want to play women's. But a lot of women are ignored, after that initial fresher's phase, because often their disc skills are not trusted - rightly or wrongly (how often have you seen disc thrown far too softly to girls - 'because I didn't want it to hurt her' or once they have the disc every one cuts for the dump). Solution - those university teams, with large women's contingent - every so often have women only practices, where when combined with a few experienced players, they are able to learn and play the game without being patronised. Then they are ablr to cope with the open game, this will bring their confidence up. As often the more timid female players when forced to play open because nothing else is available don't want to be the teams weak link. Ms D A Bagley; On a vaguely similar note two FAR MORE SERIOUS issues we need to address include encouraging more people from ethnic backgrounds to play. How many black people do you see play Ultimate in this country - THAT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO ADDRESS. Me; Ohh - messy. Traditionally people don't like to discuss this for fear of being called racist or similar, in any sport or situation. Ok most people are brought into the game through university, still a middle / upper class institution, that is generally open to those students who have had good school education. Since a large proportion of blacks, and ethnic minorities, are still based in run down city centre's with poor education and sports facilities, they are less likely to make it to university, so the majority of places where the sport is available is not open to them. Couple this with the fact that we have been discussing a lot to do with the image of the sport, until it becomes socially acceptable in these hot spots of peer pressure (and this is not affected by whether we want this to be true or not), areas where people are still assaulted for supporting the wrong team in any sport, liking the wrong music, or wearing trainers from the wrong sports manufacturer, the game is unlikely to take off. In fact the way forward here is to make the sport socially acceptable, and the easiest way to do that is to get the game watched and accepted by beaming it straight into peoples homes (!!!), and associate the game with the right image - i.e. sponsors. Ms D A Bagley; Onto the WSJ article - illegal drugs are an issue in Ultimate in this country. I've had (British) Masters players boast to me about encouraging (British) JUNIORS to take drugs in INternational tournaments - do you think that gives our sport a good name. Are teams caught smoking/ taking illegal drugs during games punished at all (we can all think of teams at every level who have openly taken drugs on the pitchside)? WHether you think some drugs should be legalised or not is irrelevant - do we want a similar story hitting the press in this country? THESE TEAMS ARE BREAKING THE LAW AND BEHAVING IRRESPONSIBLY. Me; Time to drag up ancient history, and renew people affection with Ross-on-Wye, or more precisely the year it was NOT-Ross-on-Wye. One year having got fed up with the facilities at Ross we moved up the road to (somewhere my memory forgets - close to monmouth) to nicer pitches, better shower facilities, closer pub!!!, but no river. On Saturday night a number of teams who were taking drugs of some kind where generous enough to offer their spliff to a passer by. The Policeman in question wasn't impressed and hauled any one he suspected of possessing drug off to the local nick. I know one person actually had to get a team mate to pretend to their parent to get them out of the slammer, and subsequently was up in court (fairly minor). The upshot is that we where never able to book those pitches again, and Ultimate was considered the sport that brought drugs to that area of Wales. They still remember, and still refuse to hire us the pitches. Hence it has been, and still is Layout Dreams and Druids policy, to eject any players found taking illegal drugs from the site. We won't evict teams from the tournament, but it is very difficult to play if you are not allowed on the pitches. Now that doesn't mean that we go around looking for people taking drug, if they are sensible about it find a quiet out of the way corner and don't disturb anyone then so be it (on the other hand you can drink so much you can't walk and I won't complain - am I being hypocritical??). However the question here is what is legal? If we are trying to promote the sport then we need to consider its image, yet this image is intertwined with the game, remove one, and you are liable to destroy the other. However I believe that in the game most of the time the worst case scenario is just spliffing up - something which if not legal is seen as socially acceptable, as is pooping pills. I don't think any one is taking anything harder, but is that the point? (perhaps people could enlighten us beerheads as to just what the situation with the dopeheads is?) Interesting to note that whilst marijuana if taken in very small amount reduces your inhibitions, but not your ability to perform fine motor control, and hence can be beneficial to your game (same as alcohol) we are not discussing here performance enhancing drugs. As it is most ultimate players would fail a Sunday morning drug test using IOC regulations through; 1. Caffeine - 1 large strong cup of coffee will put you over the limit. 2. Paracetamol / asprin - 2 tablets in four hours is excess 3. Ibufrofen - even if you use the spray / rub enough can invalidate you. 4. Almost any cough remedy available over the counter 5. Ordinary cigarettes 6. Of course alcohol - lower than the legal limit for driving 7. Also any controlled drug I find it very disturbing that people are boasting about giving juniors drug. Yet in my experience those juniors (anyone) that wants drugs, ask and will get them eventually I am not in favour of relaxing the drug laws in this country, yet I do believe that 'soft' drug taking in this country is something that we are going to have to live with; if not accept. Yet those who do endorse, and presumably do take drugs are going to have to act responsibly if they wish to prevent the game getting a bad press, and shutting the game down, because if we want tournaments to improve, and for us to get the better venues, - corporations, sports centres and councils cannot be seen to be endorse the widespread use of drugs, and so will stop us from hosting tournaments reducing the sport to playing on public ground, without facilities or marked pitches. Take drug if you want - but don't make every one else suffer because of it. Chris From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Apr 30 14:13:09 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id NAA25529 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 13:52:12 +0100 (BST) Received: from epunix.biols.susx.ac.uk (root@epunix.biols.susx.ac.uk [139.184.162.2]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA25517 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 13:52:11 +0100 (BST) Received: from localhost (2599 bytes) by epunix.biols.susx.ac.uk via sendmail with P:stdio/R:acukbind/T:smtp (sender: <kevinbr>) (ident <kevinbr> using unix) id <m0yUso6-000BBrC@epunix.biols.susx.ac.uk> for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 13:51:22 +0100 ( BST) (Smail-3.2.0.101 1997-Dec-17 #10 built 1998-Feb-1) Message-Id: <m0yUso6-000BBrC@epunix.biols.susx.ac.uk> From: kevinbr@biols.susx.ac.uk (Kevin Brooks) Subject: Re: Women's Ultimate To: DBiag@aol.com (D Biag) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 13:51:22 +0100 ( BST) Cc: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <400fd62.354857f9@aol.com> from "D Biag" at Apr 30, 98 06:52:40 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL20] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk I've been meaning to keep my nose out of this business, being of the wrong genital group, and all that, but since there have been so many other men contribute, I thought I'd stick my oar in. Despite differing views on how to implement short term strategies for developing women's ultimate, it seems that we're all agreed that we need to coax more women into the sport, for the sake of long term development. Personally I think that the universities are the perfect place to start. I agree with Wee Jim that the mixed aspect is a persuasive factor at Freshers' Fair, but all too often the novice women that we have managed to recruit drop out after a few practices due to being intimidated by the men. I have spoken to a number of female players who would relish the opportunity to practice and play in a male-free environment, and if this is what they want, then it should surely be encouraged. I'd like to suggest that the university teams put some real effort into making a women's team at their university next term (perhaps we could see the first women's university champioship next year? - there must be a chance that we can do this at least indoors.). How to do this? Well, recruit at Freshers Fair, and stress that it is a mixed sport, but that you'll also have a women's team. Set aside an hour of practice for women. Elect a specific women's captain to champion the cause. The Mohawks have done some of these things for the last 3 years. We have had a good number of female players of all abilities, and entered a number of events. Unfortunately, this year, our most experienced players have been poached by other teams leaving us with too few women to quite form a team in a couple of events, and leaving our less experienced players without their much needed guidance. To give our girls a chance to play a tournament together we tried to stage a womens tournament which was only entered by 2 teams (including our own). Very disappointing, and very costly. So, what do you do? Recruit more female players *nationwide*, and really try to keep them. C'mon you established Uni teams - put some *real* effort into the women's game next term, and let's see if we can get the ball rolling. Locks From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Apr 30 14:19:21 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id OAA27967 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 14:04:06 +0100 (BST) Received: from titan-bh.gartner.com (titan.gartner.com [206.98.32.100]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA27908 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 14:03:47 +0100 (BST) From: Emma-Jayne.Slater@gartner.com Received: from titan-bh by titan-bh.gartner.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA25117; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 09:06:21 -0400 Received: from localhost by pluto.gartner.com with SMTP (1.39.111.2/16.2) id AA275071536; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 09:05:36 -0400 X-Openmail-Hops: 2 Date: Thu, 30 Apr 98 14:03:39 +0100 Message-Id: <H000026900ae0834@MHS> Subject: RE: Women's Ultimate Mime-Version: 1.0 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; name="Text" Content-Disposition: inline; filename="Text" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk All those that are arguing for playing mixed Ultimate please just look at the top 'open' teams in this country and count the number of women players. This is enough to tell me that women playing in 'open' teams does not work. Any outsider, or for that matter potential sponsor, looking for an introduction to the game will look to the best teams in the country and by just doing this it would appear that the women's game hardly exists. For me the incentive to play sport is to aim to play at the highest level possible, and even though this is of course not always possible it has to at least be attainable. As for the benefits of playing on a women's team - Diana said it all! From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Apr 30 15:37:29 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id PAA14964 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 15:16:52 +0100 (BST) Received: from curlew.cs.man.ac.uk (curlew.cs.man.ac.uk [130.88.13.7]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA14944 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 15:16:49 +0100 (BST) Received: from ccg.acu.man.ac.uk [130.88.17.200] by curlew.cs.man.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.81 #4) id 0yUu8m-0000qx-00; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 15:16:48 +0100 Received: from ccMail by ccg.acu.man.ac.uk (ccMail Link to SMTP R6.00.02) id AA893945804; Thu, 30 Apr 98 15:16:46 GMT Message-Id: <9804308939.AA893945804@ccg.acu.man.ac.uk> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R6.00.02 Date: Thu, 30 Apr 98 15:16:06 GMT From: "Rob Mitchell"<admrwm@ccg.acu.man.ac.uk> To: <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Re[2]: Women's Ultimate MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Just to counter EJ's point: "All those that are arguing for playing mixed Ultimate please just look at the top 'open' teams in this country and count the number of women players. This is enough to tell me that women playing in 'open' teams does not work." Chevron have lost three players to the Womens teams this season. Claire P, Jackie H and Laura all easily made the grade and were valued Chevron team members. They made the choice to play in womens teams, and that's fine by us, but until now, as members of our open team, they certainly did 'work'. Rob Chevron Action Flash From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Apr 30 17:03:12 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id QAA08897 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 16:46:52 +0100 (BST) Received: from penguin.wise.edt.ericsson.se (penguin-ext.wise.edt.ericsson.se [194.237.142.5]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA08880 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 16:46:49 +0100 (BST) Received: from mbb4.ericsson.se (mbb4.ericsson.se [136.225.152.56]) by penguin.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.7.5/8.7.3/penguin-1.12) with ESMTP id RAA15061 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 17:46:48 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from eds.ericsson.se (aledt1026.ericsson.se) by mbb4.ericsson.se (PMDF V5.1-10 #23296) with SMTP id <0ES8001AWH5UW1@mbb4.ericsson.se> for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 17:46:43 +0200 (MET) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 17:46 +0200 From: ALAN BALDWIN <alan.baldwin@eml.ericsson.se> Subject: Re[2]: Women's Ultimate To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Message-id: <199804301546.qpIj@eds.ericsson.se> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id QAA08884 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk --- Received from EML.EMLANBN 44-1256-864592 98-04-30 17:46 - Further to Robs e-mail >Rob writes: >Chevron have lost three players to the Womens teams this season. Every team ranked between 6 and 10 in the tour has at least 1 female player. Red, First Touch, Headrush, Red Shift, and VH all have female players on their rosters. I know for a fact that a few of these teams would have had more, but for the two womens teams being in the tour. Don't get me wrong I'm not knocking the womens teams. I just think the individuals concerned should be allowed to choose between a womens only team and joining a co-ed open team. Top level ultimate IS possible with a co-ed team. If you need confirmation just ask nicolette from Red-lights! Alan ---- 98-04-30 17:46 ---- Sent to ------------------------------------- -> britdisc(a)csv.warwick.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Apr 30 17:08:50 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id RAA13598 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 17:03:09 +0100 (BST) Received: from gatekeeper.benfield.co.uk (gatekeeper.benfield.co.uk [193.129.127.221]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA13581 for <Britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 17:03:03 +0100 (BST) Received: by gatekeeper.benfield.co.uk; id RAA04446; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 17:01:04 +0100 (BST) Received: from unknown(194.10.14.28) by gatekeeper.benfield.co.uk via smap (3.2) id xma004428; Thu, 30 Apr 98 17:00:40 +0100 Received: by BENEXCHANGE with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id <JJSFMDC4>; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 17:02:07 +0100 Message-ID: <2C03D53C1CB6D111AC1C00805FEA5AC548AED0@BENEXCHANGE> From: Colin Wagstaff <Colin.Wagstaff@benfieldgreig.com> To: "'Britdisc'" <Britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Cc: "'FEE'" <feemacrae@hotmail.com> Subject: Women's Ulimate Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 17:02:05 +0100 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk All, Within the Ultimate community there are those who wish to play at the highest level they can and there are those who just want to play and have fun. I'm not saying you can't do both, but it seems the general feeling is that you prioritise one or the other in the way (spirit) that you play. This is true for open, women's and co-ed. With the limited numbers of women players in the country especially those who wish to take their and the women's game generally to a higher level many women turn to develop their skills and playing ability in the open arena. I'm not going to get into talking about the differences in the way women/men play as these have been discussed elsewhere, we just need to all apprecite that there differences. The top level open teams in this country and most others in the world contain male and only male players, that are of a good enough standard to play at that level. If there are women who are good enough to play on open teams around then undoubtedly they will eventually make there way on to the open teams, beacause that is what they are, open!!! Open to all Men, Women and Juniors a like. Only recently have we seen Juniors able to play on top open teams, roll on the day when there are women good enough to play open. Women at the top of the game want to improve but without other (better) women to learn from they are unable unless they travel. i.e. foreign tournaments or actually living in the USA or Sweden, for example. Many however can't or won't do the above and are trapped trying to play open or co-ed ultimate where there true skill in the womens game is not fully exploited. Some women wonder why they cannot play on the best open teams now!, in order to push themselves harder, even when they are not good enough to compete at that level. It's simple women want to play to the highest level possible, men want to play at the highest level possible, this cannot be done on the same pitch so it's got to be separate! If you put sustandard players on a top team that team is not the best it can be, so they don't get in. Harsh but incredibly fair! Ultimately we need more top standard women players, that means more women players generally, but that is going to take time. In the meantime Quality rather than quantity is what we require, either we import women from other sports or from abroad. Just a thought, or two, Colin. UTI. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Apr 30 18:48:03 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id SAA03733 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 18:37:39 +0100 (BST) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA03696 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 18:37:27 +0100 (BST) Received: from stures.demon.co.uk ([194.222.19.95]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa2025798; 30 Apr 98 17:29 GMT Received: by stures.demon.co.uk with Microsoft Mail id <01BD7465.B148D060@stures.demon.co.uk>; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 18:27:55 +0100 Message-ID: <01BD7465.B148D060@stures.demon.co.uk> From: Max <max@stures.demon.co.uk> To: "britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk" <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: RE: Re[2]: Women's Ultimate Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 18:26:57 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id SAA03703 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk To add to Rob's words Chevron have lost three players to the Womens teams this season. Claire P, Jackie H and Laura all easily made the grade and were valued Chevron team members. They made the choice to play in womens teams, and that's fine by us, but until now, as members of our open team, they certainly did 'work'. Rob Chevron Action Flash Up until a few years ago Stan regularly had women in their side (Sue, Rachel, Shirley, Tara to name a few) and we still made it to nearly every final going. I also remember when I started playing back in the early 80s there was a women's division at nearly all tournaments - national and local. So, women's only divisions are not new in this country, just awaiting a re-discovery. I remember the Sirens & Skidmarks. There were regularly about 6 to 8 teams playing. Anyone recall any others names? From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Apr 30 18:49:14 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id SAA03778 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 18:37:50 +0100 (BST) Received: from imo24.mx.aol.com (imo24.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.68]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA03697 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 18:37:28 +0100 (BST) Received: from AWorman290@aol.com by imo24.mx.aol.com (IMOv14.1) id 1CPYa02743; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 13:33:51 -0400 (EDT) From: AWorman290 <AWorman290@aol.com> Message-ID: <81602e2d.3548b601@aol.com> Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 13:33:51 EDT To: alan.baldwin@eml.ericsson.se, britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Re[2]: Women's Ultimate Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0.i for Windows sub 164 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Yeah..Alan made the point about women players in the top 6-10 teams, I'm one of them (Red Shift) but to be quite honest, I have spent most of the two tours marking the only women on the opposite team. This isn't a criticism of Red Shift; it's the tactical way to play the line. What's the point? I may as well play for a women't team? Colin...couldn't agree more. I really pushed for GB to not enter the tour together this year, so that I and a few others could play for mixed teams. However, although I have really enjoyed playing for Red Shift, I have found a huge difference within the two games. I feel that the best way for me to develop my game of Ultimate is to play women's ultimate. I can't really match the speed and strength of the average male player ( and I'm currently training for GB so it's not like I'm slacking off). My one hesitation about a women's tour next year is that it will be dominated by about 2 really good teams (probably Bliss and Twin Peaks) and then there will be a chasm between the 3rd and other teams. Should we mix up the all the women players available...but doesn't this do even more damage for the development of women's club teams? Also, what about women's teams entering Worlds 99? Will entering the tour screw up the chances of having a women's division? (I'm assuming that there will only be about 2/3 women's teams entering) Locks was right...let's start encouraging women players at university level..women's ultimate is a great game to play, and perhaps women will find themselves more involved in the game if they play in a COMPETITIVE women's league. It seems to me that there are women who want to play, but there aren't many women who really want to play competitively and who are prepared to commit to improving the game. Diana (Red Shift) (WIB) (BEACH ULTIMATE WORLD CHAMPION NO LESS) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Apr 30 19:28:07 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id TAA12395 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 19:21:45 +0100 (BST) Received: from pp.dundee.ac.uk (pp.dundee.ac.uk [134.36.2.60]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA12389 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 19:21:43 +0100 (BST) Received: from dux.dundee.ac.uk by pp.dundee.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Thu, 30 Apr 1998 19:24:24 +0100 Received: from 134.36.142.53 by dux.dundee.ac.uk (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4-S2000) id TAA16285; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 19:21:26 +0100 Message-ID: <3548CF70.16D2@dundee.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 19:22:25 +0000 From: Jester <j.m.wilson@dundee.ac.uk> Reply-To: j.m.wilson@dundee.ac.uk Organization: Duncan of Jordanstone X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-AICK1-2 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: BritDisc <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Not womens ultimte References: <E0yUVak-0002sH-00@post.mail.demon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hey guys & gals Sorry if you're really into the women in ultimate debate right now but does anyone know how many people worldwide are estimated to be playing Ultimate these days to the nearest thou? I've had vauge reports from 25 000 to 80 000, can anyone confirm? Cheers for now All the bester Jester ANY CHANCE OF SOME SOUP PLEASE? From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Apr 30 19:29:30 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id TAA11528 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 19:16:08 +0100 (BST) Received: from lily (hyuio@lily-fddi [137.205.4.3]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA11431; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 19:15:44 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 19:15:42 +0100 (BST) From: Ms S E Gibbons <hyuio@csv.warwick.ac.uk> X-Sender: hyuio@lily To: Kevin Brooks <kevinbr@biols.susx.ac.uk> cc: D Biag <DBiag@aol.com>, britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Re: Women's Ultimate In-Reply-To: <m0yUso6-000BBrC@epunix.biols.susx.ac.uk> Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.980430191253.26184B-100000@lily> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Glad someone agrees with me about putting some jet fuel into Student Women's ultimate. If we start improving the women's game from the bottom up then we can work on that chasm between the top few women's teams and the rest. Sarah Gibbons Bearing her soul (sorry, but the pun was too good to resist) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Apr 30 23:44:04 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id XAA13385 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 23:32:00 +0100 (BST) Received: from pluto.open.ac.uk (pluto.open.ac.uk [137.108.143.4]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA13376 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 23:31:59 +0100 (BST) Received: from acsfc-mail (actually host acsfc-mail.open.ac.uk) by pluto with SMTP Local (PP); Thu, 30 Apr 1998 23:31:48 +0100 From: wmd4@student.open.ac.uk (Wayne Davey) To: mark_wideberg@cablecorporation.co.uk Cc: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 23:03:19 +0100 Subject: Re: Womens ultimate - a comment on co-ed only Message-ID: <msg319722.thr-9e4f06b5.a2c2a@acsfc-mail.open.ac.uk> References: <BMSMTP89389121414markwide@smtpgate.cablecorporation.co.uk> Organization: Open University MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-ID: <msg319722.thr-9e4f06b5.a2c2a.part0@acsfc-mail.open.ac.uk> X-Gateway: NASTA Gate 1.18 for FirstClass(R) Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk mark_wideberg@cablecorporation.co.uk,Internet writes: >Coming from NZ where we play co-ed, my only comments are that co-ed is >the best >kind of ultimate there is. >Perhaps the kiwi women in the UK can comment? Just a quick comment on behalf of my girlfriend (Lucy Byrne - who also played in the NZ co-ed nationals): "Yes, co-ed is best!" She started playing BECAUSE it was a mixed sport (yes, recruited at Freshers Fayre). Wayne Davey Lucy's spokesperson From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri May 1 10:27:17 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id KAA05418 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 1 May 1998 10:12:18 +0100 (BST) Received: from pp.dundee.ac.uk (pp.dundee.ac.uk [134.36.2.60]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA05394 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Fri, 1 May 1998 10:12:15 +0100 (BST) Received: from dux.dundee.ac.uk by pp.dundee.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Fri, 1 May 1998 10:14:49 +0100 Received: from 134.36.142.53 by dux.dundee.ac.uk (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4-S2000) id KAA08529; Fri, 1 May 1998 10:11:44 +0100 Message-ID: <3549A01E.4898@dundee.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 10:12:46 +0000 From: Jester <j.m.wilson@dundee.ac.uk> Reply-To: j.m.wilson@dundee.ac.uk Organization: Duncan of Jordanstone X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-AICK1-2 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Not womens ultimate Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk NB This just bounced back on me so apoligies if this is the second time you've got this: Hey guys & gals Sorry if you're really into the women in ultimate debate right now but does anyone know how many people worldwide are estimated to be playing Ultimate these days to the nearest thou? I've had vauge reports from 25 000 to 80 000, can anyone confirm? Cheers for now All the bester Jester ANY CHANCE OF SOME SOUP PLEASE? From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri May 1 13:04:35 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id MAA04200 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 1 May 1998 12:27:50 +0100 (BST) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA04182 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Fri, 1 May 1998 12:27:45 +0100 (BST) Received: from ([158.152.203.174]) [158.152.203.174] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yVDyY-00063m-00; Fri, 1 May 1998 12:27:35 +0100 Subject: Re: Re: Re[2]: Women's Ultimate Date: Fri, 1 May 98 12:35:30 +0100 x-sender: ultimatum@pop3.demon.co.uk x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: Paul Hurt <paul@ultimatum.demon.co.uk> To: "BritDisc" <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Message-Id: <E0yVDyY-00063m-00@post.mail.demon.net> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Actually, having seen the way they play, there are often times I wish *I* could play on one of the women's teams. I reckon Bliss and Twin Peaks could both whip our ass! Ooops, that didn't come out right. Paul --------------------------------------------------- Paul Hurt, Village People Ultimate Team paul@ultimatum.demon.co.uk Tel: 0181 767 8243 Mobile: 0370 918719 From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri May 1 13:47:36 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id NAA18072 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 1 May 1998 13:18:55 +0100 (BST) Received: from alpha2.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (alpha2.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.2.9]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA18057 for <BRITDISC@CSV.WARWICK.AC.UK>; Fri, 1 May 1998 13:18:52 +0100 (BST) From: JN061@mdx.ac.uk Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V5.1-10 #18910) id <01IWIQZWDVJK8X7DVJ@mdx.ac.uk> for BRITDISC@CSV.WARWICK.AC.UK; Fri, 1 May 1998 13:20:14 BST Received: from mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V5.1-10 #18910) id <01IWIQXYYZK08X68TR@mdx.ac.uk> for BRITDISC@CSV.WARWICK.AC.UK; Fri, 01 May 1998 13:17:04 +0100 (BST) Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 13:17:04 +0100 (BST) To: BRITDISC@csv.warwick.ac.uk Message-id: <01IWIQXZ0BLE8X68TR@mdx.ac.uk> X-VMS-To: BRITDISC@CSV.WARWICK.AC.UK MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Comments: Conversion error: %DELETE-W-FILNOTDEL, error deleting !AS Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Can anyone tell me what universities in London have frisbee teams. Thanks Jo From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri May 1 15:23:52 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id OAA28202 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 1 May 1998 14:08:47 +0100 (BST) Received: from post.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.41]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA27858 for <Britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Fri, 1 May 1998 14:06:59 +0100 (BST) Received: from ([193.237.186.117]) [193.237.186.117] by post.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yVFWA-0006Rb-00; Fri, 1 May 1998 14:06:22 +0100 X-Sender: lenchdesign@pop3.demon.co.uk Message-Id: <l03010d01b16f77cd12f4@[193.237.186.117]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: lenchdesign <peter@lenchdesign.demon.co.uk> Subject: All communications Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 14:06:22 +0100 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Please remove this address from your list. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri May 1 17:32:09 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id RAA12692 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 1 May 1998 17:13:56 +0100 (BST) Received: from framestore.sohonet.co.uk (framestore1.sohonet.co.uk [193.203.80.44] (may be forged)) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA12666 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Fri, 1 May 1998 17:13:48 +0100 (BST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by framestore.sohonet.co.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA03700 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Fri, 1 May 1998 17:13:02 +0100 (BST) Received: from london.fs.local( 192.168.2.150) by framestore.sohonet.co.uk via smap (V2.0) id xma003698; Fri, 1 May 98 17:13:00 +0100 Received: from framestore.co.uk (engpc2.fs.local [192.168.1.23]) by london.fs.local (Netscape Messaging Server 3.0) with ESMTP id AAA26267 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Fri, 1 May 1998 17:12:59 +0100 Message-ID: <3549F46B.1C1454E9@framestore.co.uk> Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 17:12:27 +0100 From: "Sean Holden" <sean.holden@framestore.co.uk> Organization: framestore X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: britdisc <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Women's Ultimate???? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------E465E4AA11B67913C36E03DC" Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk --------------E465E4AA11B67913C36E03DC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit OK, time to join in on this discussion. The question in my mind is what is women's ultimate, I wasn't aware that it was a different type of ultimate????????????????? As far as I can see, it is beneficial for any team (all male, female or co-ed) to play other teams that will push their abilities and hence improve themselves over time. An example of this is the tour. The whole reason behind the tour was to push the top teams in the country, by them having hard games for the whole weekend as oppose to some easy games on the Saturday followed by the hard games on the Sunday. From the discussions made so far, it appears that everyone is in agreement that male players are generally faster and this can't be changed. But, this would imply that women teams playing male or co-ed teams will be pushing themselves. I can only see that women teams playing in the tour as a good thing. The only thing I can see that is a problem is that the women teams feel that they would therefore never win a tournament and that is a kind of depressing thought, hence women tournaments. I tend to agree with the comments made about the fact that there are not enough female players that want to play in all female teams at tournaments to justify separating it at tournaments. For them to have separate tournaments on different weekends seems like the best solution which is something that you are already doing. This gives students recruiting a chance to still sell the old 'it's a mixed sport' and then those women who wish to play in womens teams can do this as well. As for commenting on the fact that the top teams not having female players, I think Alan sort of made the point. I think it should be noted that the women who play in all women teams are generally the best female players in the country, all of which could play for top teams if they were not playing for a women's team. I know of teams like ours that would have more female players had it not been for the women's teams. Basically, I see nothing wrong with the situation at the moment. When there are more female players to warrant a separate tour and that is what they want to do, then that is up to them, but I think that they have a better chance to push themselves by playing in the same tour as everyone else. I like to know what the women would think if the men decided to have men only tournaments? I've not noticed any male players say that they don't want women in the tour because they are easy to beat!!! I do agree that Universities need to help promote all aspects of Ultimate, especially trying to hang on to those people who turn up in the first couple of weeks, be they male or female. Keep up the recruiting!! Sean Red Shift --------------E465E4AA11B67913C36E03DC Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <HTML> OK, time to join in on this discussion. <P>The question in my mind is what is women's ultimate, I wasn't aware that it was a <BR>different type of ultimate????????????????? <P>As far as I can see, it is beneficial for any team (all male, female or co-ed) to play other <BR>teams that will push their abilities and hence improve themselves over time.  An example <BR>of this is the tour.  The whole reason behind the tour was to push the top teams in the country, by them having hard games for the whole weekend as oppose to some easy <BR>games on the Saturday followed by the hard games on the Sunday.  >From the discussions <BR>made so far, it appears that everyone is in agreement that male players are generally <BR>faster and this can't be changed.  But, this would imply that women teams playing male <BR>or co-ed teams will be pushing themselves.  I can only see that women teams playing <BR>in the tour as a good thing.  The only thing I can see that is a problem is that the women <BR>teams feel that they would therefore never win a tournament and that is a kind of <BR>depressing thought, hence women tournaments. <P>I tend to agree with the comments made about the fact that there are not enough female <BR>players that want to play in all female teams at tournaments to justify separating it at <BR>tournaments.  For them to have separate tournaments on different weekends seems like <BR>the best solution which is something that you are already doing.  This gives students <BR>recruiting a chance to still sell the old 'it's a mixed sport' and then those women who <BR>wish to play in womens teams can do this <B><U>as well.</U></B> <P>As for commenting on the fact that the top teams not having female players, I think Alan <BR>sort of made the point.  I think it should be noted that the women who play in all women <BR>teams are generally the best female players in the country, all of which could play for <BR>top teams if they were not playing for a women's team.  I know of teams like ours that <BR>would have more female players had it not been for the women's teams. <P>Basically, I see nothing wrong with the situation at the moment.  When there are more <BR>female players to warrant a separate tour and that is what they want to do, then that <BR>is up to them, but I think that they have a better chance to push themselves by playing <BR>in the same tour as everyone else.  I like to know what the women would think if the <BR>men decided to have men only tournaments?  I've not noticed any male players say <BR>that they don't want women in the tour because they are easy to beat!!! <P>I do agree that Universities need to help promote all aspects of Ultimate, especially <BR>trying to hang on to those people who turn up in the first couple of weeks, be they <BR>male or female.  Keep up the recruiting!! <P>Sean <BR>Red Shift</HTML> --------------E465E4AA11B67913C36E03DC-- From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sat May 2 15:16:04 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id OAA15103 for britdisc-outgoing; Sat, 2 May 1998 14:58:03 +0100 (BST) Received: from praseodumium.btinternet.com (praseodumium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.82]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA15098 for <Britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Sat, 2 May 1998 14:58:01 +0100 (BST) Received: from btinternet.com [195.99.56.73] by praseodumium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 1.70 #1) id 0yVcms-0006U8-00; Sat, 2 May 1998 14:57:11 +0100 Message-ID: <MAPI.Id.0016.0061726b2e4a6a203136433130303136@MAPI.to.RFC822> To: "'Britdisc'" <Britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mark Jefferson <Mark.Jj@btinternet.com> Subject: DDC Date: Sat, 02 May 98 13:58:28 +0100 ( + ) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi Guys Thanks to everyone who has responded positively to the DDC tournie idea. I have yet to pick a date but hopefully it will be in August (bit of a dry patch in the calendar,) so definitely on. Several people have also requested that a guts event be run alongside. This is my first attempt at single-handedly pulling something like this off, not to mention the fact that it not a sport I am overly-familiar with, and so don't want to be too ambitious. I'd like to see even Chirs and Wayne (role-models for us all) organise a schedule for two competitions with, probably, the same competitors, to be run at the same time and in one day. My head hurt just constructing that last sentence. I would, however, like to encourage anyone to come forward and take on the guts side - maybe something could be worked out with an extra body. I have lots more stuff to do before I start work on this, but watch this space..... Cheers again Mark Jefferson Whiplash 14 Troutbeck Peartree Bridge Milton Keynes MK6 3ED 01908 666573 Mark.JJ@btinternet.com From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sat May 2 19:48:15 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id TAA09327 for britdisc-outgoing; Sat, 2 May 1998 19:35:19 +0100 (BST) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA09320 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Sat, 2 May 1998 19:35:17 +0100 (BST) Received: from ([212.228.22.128]) [212.228.22.128] by post.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yVh80-0003Sn-00; Sat, 2 May 1998 19:35:17 +0100 X-Sender: jimson@pop3.demon.co.uk Message-Id: <l03130300b1711702d8e9@[212.228.22.128]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 19:35:05 +0100 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: Jim McDonnell <jimbob@jimson.demon.co.uk> Subject: *FOR CHARLIE MEAD* Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi Charlie - re: Tour III, are Village entered? I know we haven't paid anybody anything yet, but there hasn't been anything on Britdisc about it that I've seen. Where can I send a cheque? (Altho' that's a story in itself at the moment - we're 'in discussion' with our bank because they've closed our account for no good reason) Hope to hear from you soon - and to see you in Brum! - Cheers Jim McDonnell Jim McDonnell (0181 444 6371) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon May 4 08:03:39 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id HAA25979 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 4 May 1998 07:47:04 +0100 (BST) Received: from gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (ralf@gem [137.205.227.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA25972 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 4 May 1998 07:47:01 +0100 (BST) Received: (from ralf@localhost) by gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA17638 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Mon, 4 May 1998 07:47:01 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 07:47:01 +0100 (BST) From: Ranulf Doswell <ralf@dcs.warwick.ac.uk> Message-Id: <199805040647.HAA17638@gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: BFDF Events Reminder Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk British Flying Disc Federation Disc Events Diary ------------------------------------------------ The events list can also be found at http://www.dcs.warwick.ac.uk/~ralf/bfdf/ ---------- Saturday 9th May 1998 Tour III (2 days) @ Birmingham [Outdoor Ultimate] TD Charlie Mead Email charles.mead@easynet.co.uk Sunday 17th May 1998 GB Masters Practice (1 day) @ Univeristy of Warwick, near Coventry [Masters Outdoor Ultimate Practice] The field adjacent to the sports hall. Contact David MacKay Email mackay@mrao.cam.ac.uk Phone (01223) 339852 fax: 354599 home: 276411 URL http://wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk/mackay/ Thursday 21st May 1998 Rotterdam (4 days) [Outdoor Ultimate Abroad] Saturday 23rd May 1998 Mad Kows KowPat '98 (2 days) @ Open University, Kilton Keynes [Outdoor Ultimate] URL: http://www.mk.dmu.ac.uk/~mstacey/Ultimate/kowpat.htm Space for 16 teams, camping available. Contact Laurie Ritchie Email l.j.ritchie@cranfield.ac.uk URL http://www-cs.open.ac.uk/~martin/pages/Mad_Kows.html Saturday 30th May 1998 Chaos Outdoors (2 days) @ Trent Park, N. London [Outdoor Ultimate] 16 teams. Camping available. Contact Dan Jones Phone 0181 364 1652 Contact Jo Nurney Email JN061@mdx.ac.uk BDGA Golf (2 days) TBC @ Hayling Island, Southampton [Golf] WizOpen '98 (3 days) @ Geneva [Outdoor Ultimate Abroad] URL: http://www.wizards.ch/WizOpen.htm Contact Yves Maumary Email speedy@wizards.ch Saturday 6th June 1998 ??? (2 days) TBC @ Cambridge [Outdoor Ultimate] Open and Juniors Contact David MacKay Email mackay@mrao.cam.ac.uk Phone (01223) 339852 fax: 354599 home: 276411 URL http://wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk/mackay/ Fiesta (2 days) TBC [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 13th June 1998 GB Training (Open and Women) (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Quarry Park, Warwickshire [Golf] Sunday 14th June 1998 GB Masters Practice (1 day) TBC [Masters Outdoor Ultimate Practice] Contact David MacKay Email mackay@mrao.cam.ac.uk Phone (01223) 339852 fax: 354599 home: 276411 URL http://wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk/mackay/ Saturday 20th June 1998 Tour IV (2 days) @ Southampton [Outdoor Ultimate] TD Tim Woolford Email tww93si@soton.ac.uk Saturday 27th June 1998 Junior Outdoors (2 days) @ Adam's Grammar School, Newport, Shropshire [Junior Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Rowena Gill Email maths.adamsg@mail.adamsg.rmplc.co.uk Saturday 4th July 1998 GB Training (Open and Women) (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 11th July 1998 Tour V (2 days) @ Double Locks, Exeter [Outdoor Ultimate] TD Kevin Lowe Email kevinl@curved-logic.com Saturday 18th July 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Whitcombe, Dorset [Golf] Saturday 25th July 1998 GB Training (Open and Women) (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 1st August 1998 Ross-On-Wye (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 8th August 1998 GB Training (Open and Women) (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Friday 14th August 1998 Worlds (10 days) [Outdoor Ultimate Abroad] Saturday 15th August 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Essex University [Golf] Saturday 22nd August 1998 Something Fun (2 days) @ Hitchin, Herts [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Layout Dreams Email tour2@phidelta.demon.co.uk URL http://www.phidelta.demon.co.uk/ Saturday 29th August 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) TBC @ Perth or Edinburgh [Golf] Friday 11th September 1998 BUF Open (3 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 19th September 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Burnlaw, Horthumberland [Golf] Saturday 26th September 1998 Nationals 98 (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 24th October 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Whitcombe, Dorset [Golf Handicap] ---------------------------------------------------------- British Flying Disc Federation Disc Events Diary http://www.dcs.warwick.ac.uk/~ralf/bfdf/ Ranulf Doswell, ralf@dcs.warwick.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon May 4 09:09:56 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id IAA29952 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 4 May 1998 08:57:01 +0100 (BST) Received: from amsta.leeds.ac.uk (amsta.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA29946 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 4 May 1998 08:57:00 +0100 (BST) Received: from jerzy.leeds.amsta (jerzy.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.33]) by amsta.leeds.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA08301 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 4 May 1998 08:57:55 +0100 (BST) Received: by jerzy.leeds.amsta (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id IAA01360; Mon, 4 May 1998 08:57:10 +0100 Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 08:57:10 +0100 From: amtsjh@amsta.leeds.ac.uk (S J Hill) Message-Id: <199805040757.IAA01360@jerzy.leeds.amsta> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Tour III teams X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Here are the teams that have entered (and get into) Tour III. Huge apologies for not doing this earlier - I've had this info for ages and thought it had been passed onto Britdisc by either me or Wayne. Please note that Killer Dump have not got into the tournament after being relegated from Swindon. If you are having trouble getting a team and pull out in time for Killer Dump to take your place then you won't be penalised. [Don't worry about the date - its just the date of the deposit.] > Catch 22 1 March, 4.15 pm > Strange Blue 2 March > First Touch 5 March, 10.45 am > Skunks 5 March, 1.30 pm > Mad Kows 6 March > Twin Peaks 7 March, 2 pm > Village People 8 March > JediChildren 9 March > Fluid Druids 9 March > Headrush 9 March, 11.30 am > Red I 8 March, 8 pm > Chevron Action Flash 11 March, 2.15 pm > Mild Mannered Janitors 11 March, 7.30 pm > Mohawk Mwnci Magic 11 March, 9.15 pm > Shotgun Wedding 15 March, 2.30 pm > Blue Arse Flies 16 March, 2.46 pm > Violently Happy 18 March, 7 pm > Red Shift 19 March, 1.30 pm > Sneeeky=B9s 20 March, 1 pm > Slipdisc 20 March, 7.30 pm > Nightfever 23 March, 7.15 pm > K-Niggets 17 March > UTI 29 March > Superfly 8 April, 5.37 pm > GB Juniors 8 April, 10 pm > First Touch 2 (One More Touch) 15 April, 5.15 pm > Bliss 18 April, morning > Sharks 18 April, early afternoon Reserve: Killer Dump. The seeding and schedule may be available around Wednesday. Si From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon May 4 21:27:37 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id VAA29807 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 4 May 1998 21:13:58 +0100 (BST) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA29779 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 4 May 1998 21:13:53 +0100 (BST) Received: from phidelta.demon.co.uk ([158.152.248.177]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa2016417; 4 May 98 20:10 GMT Message-ID: <2US$9PA4LhT1EwDQ@phidelta.demon.co.uk> Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 20:11:52 +0100 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: Wayne Retter <wayne@phidelta.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: DDC In-Reply-To: <MAPI.Id.0016.0061726b2e4a6a203136433130303136@MAPI.to.RFC822> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Trial Version 3.04 <pjZRgFWDsQK5ViyP$l4rxVrb6a> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Mark I've misplaced my DDC and Guts rules, but DDC teams are pairs, and you need 4 (or 5?, or 6? with a sub? Sammy? HELP!) for Guts... and the court sizes aren't hugely different (?) So run two teams against each other - firstly as DDC pairs (ie 3 or 4 courts at the same time) then as a combined team for Guts... The scheduling is the easy part - what you have to ensure is that the Guts court is in easy reach of the all-day bar, and that you have ample staff to ferry the beer across that short distance... Wayne hazily remembering the GB Guts team in the European Finals in '95 Mark Jefferson <Mark.Jj@btinternet.com> writes > I'd like to >see even Chirs and Wayne (role-models for us all) organise a >schedule for two competitions with, probably, the same competitors, >to be run at the same time and in one day. -------------------------- Wayne Retter Wayne@phidelta.demon.co.uk http://www.phidelta.demon.co.uk/ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue May 5 09:36:44 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id JAA23003 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 5 May 1998 09:15:56 +0100 (BST) Received: from clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@clover-fddi [137.205.4.2]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA22988 for <britdisc-real@pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Tue, 5 May 1998 09:15:53 +0100 (BST) Received: from smtpgate.cablecorporation.co.uk (mailgate.cablecorporation.co.uk [195.173.20.38]) by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA26544 for <britdisc@warwick.ac.uk>; Tue, 5 May 1998 09:15:34 +0100 (BST) Received: from [123.8.2.123] (HELO cablecorporation) by smtpgate.cablecorporation.co.uk (AltaVista Mail V1.0/1.0 BL18 listener) id 0000_0064_354e_c9e7_7f9f; Tue, 05 May 1998 09:12:23 +0100 X-Mailer: BeyondMail for Windows/Professional 2.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; boundary="BeyondBoundary_2_Tue_May_05_09:13:30_1998__4823" To: britdisc@warwick.ac.uk From: Mark Wideberg <mark_wideberg@cablecorporation.co.uk> Subject: Rotterdam -- pickups wanted Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 09:13:20 -0700 X-BeyondMail-Priority: 1 Message-Id: <BMSMTP8943846952markwide@smtpgate.cablecorporation.co.uk> Conversation-Id: <BMSMTP8943846953markwide@smtpgate.cablecorporation.co.uk> Reply-To: Mark Wideberg <mark_wideberg@cablecorporation.co.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk --BeyondBoundary_2_Tue_May_05_09:13:30_1998__4823 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit First Touch is sending a team to Rotterdam. We currently have 8 certain players and would prefer upwards of 14 since the tournament lasts for 4 days and most of us are notoriously unfit. If any players, either women or men, are interested in joining us for a fun long weekend of spirited disc, please contact David Whitehead at whitehead@cloe.demon.co.uk. Alternatively, you could track us down at Birmingham this weekend. For those who don't know already, the Rotterdam tournament is on May 21-24, with the games starting a little after noon on the 21st. Mark (for Dave) First Touch --BeyondBoundary_2_Tue_May_05_09:13:30_1998__4823 Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="ATTRIBS.BND" Content-Transfer-Encoding: Base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="ATTRIBS.BND" QmV5b25kIFBhY2tlZCBBdHRyaWJ1dGVzACg7ABEAKAAAAAAAUm90dGVyZGFt IC0tIHBpY2t1cHMgd2FudGVkAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AG1hcmtfd2lkZWJlcmcAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA8Qk1TTVRQODk0Mzg0Njk1Mm1h cmt3aWQAQmV5b25kIFByb3ByaWV0YXJ5IERhdGEaAAAAAAQAAAAAAAAADwA7 AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAQ29udmVyc2F0aW9uIElkOjxCTVNNVFA4 OTQzODQ2OTUzbWFya3dpZGVAc210cGdhdGUuY2FibGVjb3Jwb3JhdGlvbi5j by51az4EAAAAAAAAABAACQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAE1lc3NhZ2Ug RW5jb2RpbmcISVNPLTg4NTkBAAAAAAAAABUAAwAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAFVzZSBQcm9wb3J0aW9uYWwgRm9udAEAAREAAAAAAAAABAA+AwAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAVGV4dE0CRmlyc3QgVG91Y2ggaXMgc2VuZGluZyBh IHRlYW0gdG8gUm90dGVyZGFtLiAgV2UgY3VycmVudGx5IGhhdmUgOCBjZXJ0 YWluCnBsYXllcnMgYW5kIHdvdWxkCnByZWZlciB1cHdhcmRzIG9mIDE0IHNp bmNlIHRoZSB0b3VybmFtZW50IGxhc3RzIGZvciA0IGRheXMgYW5kIG1vc3Qg b2YKdXMgYXJlIG5vdG9yaW91c2x5CnVuZml0LiAgSWYgYW55IHBsYXllcnMs IGVpdGhlciB3b21lbiBvciBtZW4sIGFyZSBpbnRlcmVzdGVkIGluIGpvaW5p bmcKdXMgZm9yIGEgZnVuIGxvbmcgd2Vla2VuZCBvZiAKc3Bpcml0ZWQgZGlz YywgcGxlYXNlIGNvbnRhY3QgRGF2aWQgV2hpdGVoZWFkIGF0CndoaXRlaGVh ZEBjbG9lLmRlbW9uLmNvLnVrLiAgQWx0ZXJuYXRpdmVseSwKeW91IGNvdWxk IHRyYWNrIHVzIGRvd24gYXQgQmlybWluZ2hhbSB0aGlzIHdlZWtlbmQuCgpG b3IgdGhvc2Ugd2hvIGRvbid0IGtub3cgYWxyZWFkeSwgdGhlIFJvdHRlcmRh bSB0b3VybmFtZW50IGlzIG9uIE1heQoyMS0yNCwgd2l0aCB0aGUgZ2FtZXMK c3RhcnRpbmcgYSBsaXR0bGUgYWZ0ZXIgbm9vbiBvbiB0aGUgMjFzdC4KCk1h cmsgKGZvciBEYXZlKQpGaXJzdCBUb3VjaOsAAwBNAuQAAQABAAAAEAABAAEA AQBNAgAAAAAAADj/AAAAAAAAkAEAAAAAAAAAAE1TIFNhbnMgU2VyaWYAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAEAAQBJAAEASgBbAAEAXACiAAEAowC1AAEA tgD8AAEA/QAaAQEAGwFLAQEATAF3AQEAeAGrAQEArAGsAQEArQHxAQEA8gEH AgEACAIxAgEAMgIyAgEAMwJCAgEAQwJOAgAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGQAAaQBAUgD AewEAZAGATQIAdgJAXwLASANAcQOAWgQAQwSAbATAVQVAfgWCgAAAAAAAAAA AAAQAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABBdHRhY2htZW50IENvdW50BAAA AAAA --BeyondBoundary_2_Tue_May_05_09:13:30_1998__4823-- From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue May 5 13:20:23 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id MAA22335 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 5 May 1998 12:59:57 +0100 (BST) Received: from exchpk01.chelt.ac.uk (exchpk01.chelt.ac.uk [194.66.194.228]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA22309 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Tue, 5 May 1998 12:59:52 +0100 (BST) Received: by exchpk01.chelt.ac.uk with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD7825.94D0D900@exchpk01.chelt.ac.uk>; Tue, 5 May 1998 12:59:04 +0100 Message-ID: <c=GB%a=_%p=CHELT%l=EXCHPK01-980505115903Z-3905@exchpk01.chelt.ac.uk> From: "HUGHES, Chris" <CHughes@chelt.ac.uk> To: "'Wayne Retter'" <wayne@phidelta.demon.co.uk>, "'britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk'" <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: RE: DDC Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 12:59:03 +0100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk -----Original Message----- From: Wayne Retter [SMTP:wayne@phidelta.demon.co.uk] Sent: 04 May 1998 20:12 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Re: DDC Mark I've misplaced my DDC and Guts rules, but DDC teams are pairs, and you need 4 (or 5?, or 6? with a sub? Sammy? HELP!) for Guts... and the court sizes aren't hugely different (?) So run two teams against each other - firstly as DDC pairs (ie 3 or 4 courts at the same time) then as a combined team for Guts... The scheduling is the easy part - what you have to ensure is that the Guts court is in easy reach of the all-day bar, and that you have ample staff to ferry the beer across that short distance... You've just assumed that the players in a DDC team are going to play for the same guts team. If pople start playing for different teams in the guts and DDC there will be scheduling carnage. As far as I am aware guts is 5 + subs, and DDC is 2 per team - so if you enforce that 1 guts team then fields 3 DDC teams then scheduling, tournament organisation, and beer consumption will be easy! Chris From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue May 5 13:32:12 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id NAA24140 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 5 May 1998 13:06:06 +0100 (BST) Received: from exchpk01.chelt.ac.uk (exchpk01.chelt.ac.uk [194.66.194.228]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA24114 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Tue, 5 May 1998 13:05:59 +0100 (BST) Received: by exchpk01.chelt.ac.uk with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD7826.81DD5B60@exchpk01.chelt.ac.uk>; Tue, 5 May 1998 13:05:41 +0100 Message-ID: <c=GB%a=_%p=CHELT%l=EXCHPK01-980505120540Z-3911@exchpk01.chelt.ac.uk> From: "HUGHES, Chris" <CHughes@chelt.ac.uk> To: "'Britdisc'" <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Tom's Tourney Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 13:05:40 +0100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id NAA24121 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Violently Happy : Winners (of the tournament) Nightfever ; Winners (of spirit) Chris Dunkley : LOSER (in life) I'm sure there will be lots of reports on people's experiences at the tournament. This is particularly important as Drunkley will have no other way of determining why there are an extra 400 miles on his car and £200 less in his pocket. Over to you Mr Mudge..... Chris (Hughes) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue May 5 14:04:30 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id NAA03844 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 5 May 1998 13:39:40 +0100 (BST) Received: from newsgate.dircon.co.uk (uugate1.dircon.co.uk [194.112.50.20]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA03717 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Tue, 5 May 1998 13:39:32 +0100 (BST) From: laurab@ehs.co.uk Received: from ehs.co.uk (uucp@localhost) by newsgate.dircon.co.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with UUCP id NAA04959 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Tue, 5 May 1998 13:38:26 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199805051238.NAA04959@newsgate.dircon.co.uk> Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 13:40:22 +0100 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Desperately seeking Charlie Mead MIME-version: 1.0 (Created by TFS) Content-Type: text/plain ; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: TFS Gateway V210U0822M Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id NAA03772 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Does anybody have an e-mail address or telephone number for him thanks Laura Village People From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue May 5 18:04:08 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id RAA12609 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 5 May 1998 17:42:38 +0100 (BST) Received: from monsoon.dial.pipex.net (monsoon.dial.pipex.net [158.43.128.69]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA12576 for <Britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Tue, 5 May 1998 17:42:32 +0100 (BST) Received: (qmail 18303 invoked from network); 5 May 1998 16:42:30 -0000 Received: from ae176.du.pipex.com (HELO ) (193.130.244.176) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 5 May 1998 16:42:30 -0000 Message-ID: <354F4F5E.7D62@dial.pipex.com> Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 17:41:50 +0000 From: "A.Potter" <gf78@dial.pipex.com> X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: e-mail messages Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Please could you remove this e-mail address from your mailing list. Many thanks. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue May 5 23:27:28 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id XAA05841 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 5 May 1998 23:14:46 +0100 (BST) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA05830 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Tue, 5 May 1998 23:14:43 +0100 (BST) Received: from (phidelta.demon.co.uk) [158.152.248.177] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yWpyz-0007RS-00; Tue, 5 May 1998 23:14:42 +0100 Message-ID: <HtDjjHA+44T1Ew25@phidelta.demon.co.uk> Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 23:10:06 +0100 To: BritDisc <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> From: Wayne Retter <wayne@phidelta.demon.co.uk> Subject: Offer - Lifts to Rotterdam MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Trial Version 3.04 <pjZRgFWDsQK5ViyP$l4rxVrb6a> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk >From Reigate (M25, J8), Surrey by CAR (Reigate - Harwich, Hoek - playing fields) and FAST FERRY (Harwich - Hoek van Holland) Outbound: Wednesday 20 May (Ferry departs 19.30) Return: Monday 25 May (Ferry departs 07.20) We have 2 spaces available. for further details contact Wayne Retter at work: 01737-273611 wayne_retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk at home: 01737-242109 wayne@phidelta.demon.co.uk where's Reigate? M25 J8 / nearly on the main London-Horsham/Brighton train line / definately on the Reading-Gatwick train line -------------------------- Wayne Retter Wayne@phidelta.demon.co.uk http://www.phidelta.demon.co.uk/ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed May 6 10:42:44 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id KAA04298 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 6 May 1998 10:28:58 +0100 (BST) Received: from amsta.leeds.ac.uk (amsta.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA04278 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Wed, 6 May 1998 10:28:55 +0100 (BST) Received: from newton.leeds.amsta (newton.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.64]) by amsta.leeds.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA00662 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Wed, 6 May 1998 10:29:50 +0100 (BST) Received: by newton.leeds.amsta (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA00771; Wed, 6 May 1998 10:32:23 +0100 Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 10:32:23 +0100 From: amtsjh@amsta.leeds.ac.uk (S J Hill) Message-Id: <199805060932.KAA00771@newton.leeds.amsta> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Tour III X-Sun-Charset: ISO-8859-1 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi Quite a few requests for info about where the tourney is this w/e. Actually this has been given to all the teams once (mostly at Swindon) - but here it is again. Apologies to those who have now seen this more times than they need to! Si ----- Begin Included Message ----- Details: ULTIM-8 TOUR III - BIRMINGHAM - MAY 9-10 Welcome to Ultim-8 Tour III. Below you will find all the details you need to get to the tournement and survive for the weekend. Thank you for paying your deposits to BUF. You are now officially entered but may have to wait until after Swindon to have your place confirmed. Directions: The tournament will be held at Birmingham RFC. This is at Junction 3 of the M42, 50 yards south, and first left, on the A435. The club is signposted. After taking the left turn go 200yds down a small lane and turn right into the club just before going under the motorway bridge. This is about 10 miles from Birmingham. Facilities: There will be 8 pitches available. There is a club house which will have a bar and food and hot drinks available all day. Breakfast will be served on Sunday morning. There will be a party on Saturday night so bring your favourite dance music. Changing rooms and hot showers are available throughout the weekend. Accommodation: Camping facilities are available from Friday afternoon onwards. Please let me know if you are arriving early on Friday so I can make the necessary arrangements. If you need to then you can also stay on the Sunday night. There will be a charge of £5 per tent for the weekend. Medical facilities: There will be medical facilities available with a senior physiotherapist, Sarah Ferguson, in charge. She will have tape available, but please bring tape with you if you are already carrying an injury. Tournament Information: There will be 28 teams entered for this tournament. Who is playing will be determined by the results at Swindon. Check with Si Hill if unsure. Bring light and dark shirts. Play will start 9.30 on Saturday and 9.00 on Sunday. The schedule will be available from April 24 th (if you have paid your fees by then). Results wil be posted immediately after each game with updated pool results alongside. Winning teams in each game will be responsible for refilling water containers after each game. Payment of fees: I will be at Swindon on Sunday 19th April to give out more information and collect fees.. Any teams entering Birmingham but not at Swindon will be contacted by email and snail mail. Contact details: Charlie Mead, 67, Cotton lane, Birmingham, B13 9SE. Tel: 0121-449-3382 (h), 0121-428-2002 (w) Email: charles.mead@easynet.co.uk ----- End Included Message ----- From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed May 6 10:48:30 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id KAA03173 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 6 May 1998 10:24:20 +0100 (BST) Received: from spock.tinet.ie (spock.tinet.ie [159.134.237.8]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA03145 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Wed, 6 May 1998 10:24:12 +0100 (BST) Received: from sepro.ie (p19-as1.exs.dublin.tinet.ie [159.134.224.19]) by spock.tinet.ie (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA18870 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Wed, 6 May 1998 10:24:08 +0100 (BST) Received: by Sepro_peterb with Microsoft Mail id <01BD78D5.FEAFC060@Sepro_peterb>; Wed, 6 May 1998 10:01:53 +0100 Message-ID: <01BD78D5.FEAFC060@Sepro_peterb> From: Peter Bennison <pbennison@sepro.ie> To: "Britdisc (E-mail)" <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Tour IV Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 10:01:51 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id KAA03162 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hello, Is the TD for Southampton out there? I've sent a couple of mails to Tim trying to find out how much and who I should send our cheque to. If anyone else knows this information, the Pookas would greatly appreciate it if you let me know. Thanks, Peter Bennison Sepro Telecom International Ltd. Phone +353 1 296 4428 Ext 106 mailto:pbennison@sepro.ie From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed May 6 13:05:21 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id MAA07604 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 6 May 1998 12:32:13 +0100 (BST) Received: from monsoon.dial.pipex.net (monsoon.dial.pipex.net [158.43.128.69]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA07579 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Wed, 6 May 1998 12:32:08 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199805061132.MAA07579@pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Received: (qmail 16383 invoked from network); 6 May 1998 11:32:07 -0000 Received: from userm819.uk.uudial.com (HELO default) (193.149.80.107) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 6 May 1998 11:32:07 -0000 Reply-To: <Matthew.Lowe@dial.pipex.com> From: "Matthew Lowe" <Matthew.Lowe@dial.pipex.com> To: <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: bits 'n bobs Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 10:55:52 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Just a request. Can anyone who has directions to Tour III please send them to me (via E-Mail of course). See you at Birmingham, Matt Lowe Matthew.Lowe@Dial.Pipex.com From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed May 6 14:26:22 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id OAA00683 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 6 May 1998 14:02:47 +0100 (BST) Received: from mercury.king.ac.uk (mercury.king.ac.uk [141.241.4.24]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA00658 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Wed, 6 May 1998 14:02:41 +0100 (BST) Received: from gnasher.king.ac.uk by mercury.king.ac.uk with SMTP (MMTA 2) with ESMTP; Wed, 6 May 1998 14:02:24 +0100 Received: from temail.king.ac.uk (temail [141.241.126.2]) by gnasher.king.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id NAA01928 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Wed, 6 May 1998 13:24:02 +0100 Received: from TE0/SpoolDir by temail.king.ac.uk (Mercury 1.40); 6 May 98 13:26:16 GMT Received: from SpoolDir by TE0 (Mercury 1.40); 6 May 98 13:26:10 GMT From: Timothy SURRY <K972261@atlas.king.ac.uk> Organization: Kingston University To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 13:03:42 GMT0BST Subject: Ultimate in Portugal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.40) Message-ID: <2CC10D77094@temail.king.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk I was asked to put this out by a team who is organising a hat tourney in Portugal on the beach with naked ultimate and all that. Sounds like loads of fun. check it out at: <http://www.betacyte.pt/diz-cu/>. Have fun. love spud From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed May 6 15:48:23 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id PAA22464 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 6 May 1998 15:31:15 +0100 (BST) Received: from pp2.shef.ac.uk (pp2.shef.ac.uk [143.167.1.32]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA22420; Wed, 6 May 1998 15:31:08 +0100 (BST) Received: from pebley.shef.ac.uk [143.167.79.249] by pp2.shef.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.73 #1) id 0yX5Dt-0006ZZ-00; Wed, 6 May 1998 15:31:05 +0100 Received: from PEBLEY/SpoolDir by pebley.shef.ac.uk (Mercury 1.40); 6 May 98 15:31:06 +0100 Received: from SpoolDir by PEBLEY (Mercury 1.40); 6 May 98 15:30:58 +0100 From: "Simon Weeks" <GGA95SEW@sheffield.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk, All.University.Ultimate.Teams@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 15:30:55 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: National Student Outdoor Finals 1998 X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <2CC9A8E5BA5@pebley.shef.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hello everyone. Here is the long awaited tournament report of the 1998 National Student Outdoor Finals. Last weekend saw the biggest (to my knowledge) student outdoor finals ever held. 28 teams in all were due to play although by the end of Sunday only 26 remained. The Skunks had to pull out during Saturday due to injuries, a broken down car and a driver who had to go home. As a result the pick up team was also disbanded to keep a nice round number of teams. All this made for some interesting rescheduling and tested the bottom ten teams fitness levels to the limit. Well done to the likes of No Frills who had to play 5 games on the trot on the Sunday. To compensate for that hiccup the weather on both days was unexpectedly good. Clear blue skies were complemented by a stiff wind on the Sunday to sort out the wheat from the chaff. It certainly aided Mohawks four man cup that they had clearly been practicing. All of the big guns, Sorcerers, Jedi, Mohawks, Ow!, Mythago, Sneekys and Bears made it through their pool matches and the only major upset was Phat 'Eds stealing the sixth seed spot away from Far Flung. The indoor winners and number one seeds, Flying Sorcerers, were severly understrength though and playing iron man due to the weekend coinciding with a major social event in the Scotland calendar. All was nicely poised at the end of Saturday and all that remained for the day was to get thoroughly bladdered. A few teams opted to stay in drinking milk and eating quiche, but the party had a big turn out. Prior to that in the Dry Dock there was even the traditional three pint challenge to get the heads spinning early on. On the Sunday again the results tended to follow the seedings with Sorcerers, Jedi and Mythago (the top three seeds) proceeding to the semis, though not without some good battles in the quarters. The tie of the quarters was expected to be Ow! versus Mohawks in the 4th v 5th quarter final. However, Mohawks showed they really meant business as they disposed of Ow! without too many problems. Mohawks' mood continued in the semi as they also put an end to Sorcerers bid for indoor and outdoor success. Mythago joined them in the semi, but it seemed that their, by now, seven man squad, were struggling after tough quarters and semis and could not halt the Mohawks domination as they cruised to victory in the final. Elsewhere Picnic in the Sky overcame Toxic Nynja Atack in an epic plate final (after they failed to here the hooter that was supposed to end their confrontation). And topping the bottom 10 in their first ever tournament was Northern Lights who seemed to cope best with number of games expected of the bottom 10 on Sunday. I would also like to mention the fantastic spirit. It was summed up for me when at the end of the tournament, when I was approached by the ice cream vendor who confessed that he could not understand how it was possible that so many teams could play so competitively without ever saying a cross word to each other. Special thanks must go to Kieran Taylor for organising all the Leicester side of things, to all of the Jesters team for providing accomodation and helping with setting eveything up and also to Chris Hughes and Sarah (Bears) for help with the schedule both before and during the tournament. Most of all I would like to thank everybody who attended and hope that you all had a fun weekend. Simon Weeks Student Co-ordinator Final Finishing Places and Lost Property follows: The Final Placings were: 1. Mohawks (Sussex) WINNERS 2. Mythago (Bristol) 3. Flying Sorcerers (St Andrews) 4. Jedi Children (Leeds) 5. Ow! (Oxford) 6. Phat 'Eds (Sheffield) 7. Bears (Warwick) 8. Sneekys (Edinburgh) SPIRIT 9. Picnic in the Sky (Plymouth) PLATE WINNERS 10. Toxic Ninja Attack (Kent) 11. Far Flung (Glasgow) 12. Purple Haze (Loughboro') 13. Fingers 6 Steps Ahead of our Minds... (Manchester) 14. Jesters (Leicester) 15. K-Niggets (Kingston) 16. Mythago II (Bristol) 17. Northern Lights (Durham) SPOON WINNERS 18. Superfly (Nottingham) 19. Uriel (Exeter) 20. PDQ (Portsmouth) 21. No Frills (Cardiff) 22. Phat 'Eds II (Sheffield) 23. Bears II (Warwick) 24. Mohawks II (Sussex) 25. Jedi II (Leeds) 26. Toxic II (Kent) 27. Skunks (Southampton) Lost Property Two sleeveless Uriel shirts (one yellow, one purple) - the wise money is on them being Bretts (not that he ever forgets anything) A grey kickers jumper A blue fleece with a reciept for Jonathon White from Cardiff in the pocket. My hunch is that it might be his. A pair of Mitre football boots A pair of "rudy project" sunglasses wrapped in a sock 2 discs - one white ultrastar with no markings - one Vancouver world clubs with the words "Pastil you are a complete and utter loser, because it was only about twenty yards away from it, when you were asking me if it had been handed in" written on it. To arrange the safe return of any of this lost property please contact Kieran on kmt2@le.ac.uk or 0116 2830343. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed May 6 19:31:41 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id TAA12662 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 6 May 1998 19:12:37 +0100 (BST) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA12645 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Wed, 6 May 1998 19:12:34 +0100 (BST) Received: from (stures.demon.co.uk) [194.222.19.95] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yX8gD-0006UE-00; Wed, 6 May 1998 19:12:33 +0100 Received: by stures.demon.co.uk with Microsoft Mail id <01BD7922.AF6199A0@stures.demon.co.uk>; Wed, 6 May 1998 19:10:51 +0100 Message-ID: <01BD7922.AF6199A0@stures.demon.co.uk> From: Max <max@stures.demon.co.uk> To: "britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk" <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: knee braces Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 19:10:39 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id TAA12647 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk I have a friend who last year had an operation on his ACL. He has been advised that he can return to sports soon as long as he uses a decent knee brace. As there are so many Ultimate players sporting various braces I was wondering if anyone can recommend a good knee support, the supplier and approx cost. Many thanks Max max@stures.demon.co.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu May 7 09:48:37 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id JAA08301 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 7 May 1998 09:29:55 +0100 (BST) Received: from smtpgate.cablecorporation.co.uk (mailgate.cablecorporation.co.uk [195.173.20.38]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA08290 for <britdisc@warwick.ac.uk>; Thu, 7 May 1998 09:29:51 +0100 (BST) Received: from [123.8.2.123] (HELO cablecorporation) by smtpgate.cablecorporation.co.uk (AltaVista Mail V1.0/1.0 BL18 listener) id 0000_0064_3551_7098_bdd7; Thu, 07 May 1998 09:28:08 +0100 X-Mailer: BeyondMail for Windows/Professional 2.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; boundary="BeyondBoundary_6_Thu_May_07_09:29:19_1998__3D6C" To: britdisc@warwick.ac.uk, udwg@mrao.cam.ac.uk From: Mark Wideberg <mark_wideberg@cablecorporation.co.uk> Subject: London Women's Ultimate Club Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 09:29:08 -0700 X-BeyondMail-Priority: 2 Message-Id: <BMSMTP89455838710markwide@smtpgate.cablecorporation.co.uk> Conversation-Id: <BMSMTP89455838711markwide@smtpgate.cablecorporation.co.uk> Reply-To: Mark Wideberg <mark_wideberg@cablecorporation.co.uk> Cc: terri@cloe.demon.co.uk Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk --BeyondBoundary_6_Thu_May_07_09:29:19_1998__3D6C Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit **LONDON WOMEN's ULTIMATE CLUB** WHAT IT IS A place for women ultimate players: To practice with other women To develop skills; share ideas, techniques, etc. To get to know each other & form a social as well as sport group A place where new players can learn about and play ultimate & meet other women in ultimate. WHO IT IS FOR This club is open to women of all skill levels from complete beginners to those already playing on tournament teams. GOALS To provide a consistent place in London where women can have fun playing ultimate and developing their skills while getting to know each other. To attract new women ultimate players and create a larger base of women players in the London area. To foster a sense of community between women ultimate players in the London area. WHEN & WHERE Saturdays 1pm, Wednesdays 6:30pm Regents Park (North area just south of the Zoo) (Please note that these pracitces will run alongside the 1st Touch practices and we will most likely mix with some of the 1st Touch players until we have enough women to run a completely independent game and practice) CONTACT Terri Whitehead 0171-435-3450 terri@cloe.demon.co.uk WHY I AM ORGANIZING THIS CLUB In light of the recent discussion on BritDisc regarding women's ultimate, I have decided to organize the London Women's Ultimate Club. This club is NOT meant to be another women's tournament team this year. It's main purpose is not to create a new women's team, but to encourage all women players based in the London area to practice and socialize together, regardless of whether or not they are playing with a tournament team this season. However, as the club develops it may be possible, depending on the level of interest, to send a team to non-tour tournaments this year. I would like to leave the competitve team aspect open as a possibility for the future, but as I have said, it is not the main purpose of this club. I hope that this club will inspire the creation of other regional women's ultimate clubs. Without regional clubs, I feel it is very difficult for women in ultimate to get to know each other and to work together proactively to expand our numbers in Great Britain. By providing a social club atmosphere with regular practices I believe we will be more likely to attract and develop new players. Another advantage of a regional club is that the existing women players in that area will get to know each other better and can work together to develop their skills and encourage new players. Everyone is welcome!! I hope you will all join in and help recruit new women to our sport! 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Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id MAA04764 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 7 May 1998 12:45:13 +0100 (BST) Received: from wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk (bee.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk [131.111.48.99]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA04736 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Thu, 7 May 1998 12:45:09 +0100 (BST) Received: by wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk (UK-Smail 3.1.25.1/15) id <m0yXP6q-000009C@wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk>; Thu, 7 May 98 12:45 BST Message-Id: <m0yXP6q-000009C@wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 7 May 98 12:45 BST From: mackay@mrao.cam.ac.uk (David J.C. MacKay) To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Start a Junior Ultimate session! Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Dear Britdisc, now that Summer is here, (almost), it is a perfect time to start an ultimate session in your local youth group --- Why not give it a go? I am writing to offer you ultracheap ultrastars: 3.50 each for bulk orders, for people running Junior ultimate. I will be at Birmingham Tour this weekend and can bring discs to you then if you give me your order now. I also have skypros at 1.50 each --- good for tiny kids. yours David -------------------------------------------------------------------------- David J.C. MacKay email: mackay@mrao.cam.ac.uk www: http://wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk/mackay/ Cavendish Laboratory, tel: (01223) 339852 fax: 354599 home: 740511 Madingley Road, international code: +44 1223 Cambridge CB3 0HE. U.K. room: 961 Rutherford Building --- Please note NEW home phone number, 740511, or x40511 from Univ. network, effective 28.4.98 From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu May 7 14:18:57 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id NAA21369 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 7 May 1998 13:43:15 +0100 (BST) Received: from exchpk01.chelt.ac.uk (exchpk01.chelt.ac.uk [194.66.194.228]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA21286 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Thu, 7 May 1998 13:42:48 +0100 (BST) Received: by exchpk01.chelt.ac.uk with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD79BD.FBECC560@exchpk01.chelt.ac.uk>; Thu, 7 May 1998 13:42:31 +0100 Message-ID: <c=GB%a=_%p=CHELT%l=EXCHPK01-980507124230Z-5258@exchpk01.chelt.ac.uk> From: "HUGHES, Chris" <CHughes@chelt.ac.uk> To: "'Britdisc'" <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Anyone interested? Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 13:42:30 +0100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id NAA21362 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk A message for all you students coming to the end of your degrees; or anyone else looking for employment; 2 jobs - Sports and Social liaison officer and Entertainment co-ordinator. STUDENTS' UNION Sports & Societies Liaison Officer The Students' Union wishes to appoint a committed and enthusiastic person to this expanding role - ideally from the 1st of June 1998 although we are able to be flexible to accommodate the right candidate. The starting salary will depend on the particular range of skills and experience of the successful applicant but will be in the range of £11,000 to £13,000 per annum. Annual holiday entitlement is 25 days per annum and the Union operates a contributory pension scheme after an initial qualifying period. JOB PURPOSE: To assist the elected Officers of the Union in providing our core services for all students, in particular those based at our FCH/ Hardwick Campus and to support to the VP, Sports & Societies Sabbatical in the running of the Sports and Societies Department Specific Responsibilities: To ensure the efficient running of FCH Reception on a day to day basis. To provide general administrative support for the Sports & Societies Department. To manage, co-ordinate and run the Sports & Societies resources centre and the Students' Union Office. To be responsible for banking and other duties as required. Responsible to: FCH Site Manager and Vice President Sports & Societies Sabbatical Project Work: To liaise with VP, Sports & Societies to enhance student sport within the College environment at both competitive and social levels including: * BUSA Championships * The SU Aerobics Club To arrange and co-ordinate the Sporting Tours for Union Clubs. To assist the VP, Sports & Societies with specific annual events such as RAG, Sports Reunion and The Sports Awards Evening, also to assist in the development of new fund raising initiatives. To be responsible for all administration relating to Union transport. To ensure that Union Clubs and Societies are aware of current Union Policies and Procedures. Apply in writing to: Mr Gary Wright, General Manager, Cheltenham & Gloucester Students' Union, PO Box 220, The Park, Cheltenham, Gloucestershire, GL50 2QF Closing date for applications: Friday 22nd May 1998 STUDENTS' UNION ENTERTAINMENTS CO-ORDINATOR The Students' Union wishes to appoint an experienced and enthusiastic person to this new role with effect from 1st July 1998.The starting salary will depend on the particular range of skills and experience of the successful applicant but will be in the range of £13,000 to £16,000 per annum. Annual holiday entitlement is 25 days per annum and the Union operates a contributory pension scheme after an initial qualifying period. JOB PURPOSE: To assist the elected Officers of the Union in providing a diverse range of quality entertainment which represents value for money to our members and to have particular responsibility for ensuring strict compliance with all relevant Health and Safety legislation and other statutory requirements. RESPONSIBLE TO: The Students' Union General Manager DUTIES: To assist with the planning and budgeting of all entertainments across all College sites and liaising with the College management to ensure that all necessary permissions are granted and room bookings made. To be personally responsible for the organisation of all major entertainment events whether staged on or off campus. To act as Stage Manager of the annual Summer Ball. To be responsible for providing all relevant information regarding entertainments to the Publicity & Marketing Co-ordinator and liaising to ensure first class publicity for all events. To encourage and welcome student participation in the planning and management of entertainments. To be responsible for the repair and maintenance of all Students' Union equipment associated with entertainments and ensuring that adequate training and instruction is made available to all users. To advise the Students' Union on all areas of capital investment within the entertainments sphere. To be the line manager of the in house Security team. Any other duties which may be required from time to time. Apply in writing to: Mr Gary Wright, General Manager, Cheltenham & Gloucester Students' Union, PO Box 220, The Park, Cheltenham, Gloucestershire, GL50 2QF Closing date for applications: Friday 22nd May 1998 From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu May 7 18:08:06 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id RAA28917 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 7 May 1998 17:50:18 +0100 (BST) Received: from alpha2.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (alpha2.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.2.9]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA28904 for <BRITDISC@CSV.WARWICK.AC.UK>; Thu, 7 May 1998 17:50:14 +0100 (BST) From: JN061@mdx.ac.uk Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V5.1-10 #18910) id <01IWRDQADQMO8XA4VV@mdx.ac.uk> for BRITDISC@CSV.WARWICK.AC.UK; Thu, 7 May 1998 17:52:18 BST Received: from mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V5.1-10 #18909) id <01IWRDMMDMDG8YG0ZD@mdx.ac.uk> for BRITDISC@CSV.WARWICK.AC.UK; Thu, 07 May 1998 17:35:35 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 17:35:35 +0100 (BST) Subject: Chaos Tournament To: BRITDISC@csv.warwick.ac.uk Message-id: <01IWRDMMDNBA8YG0ZD@mdx.ac.uk> X-VMS-To: BRITDISC@CSV.WARWICK.AC.UK MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Just a quick reminder to all you guys and gals out there... The amazing, the fantastic, the ONE AND ONLY Chaos tournament is coming to Trent Park. Date 30/31 May 16 fabulous pitches camping available Bar ON SITE Evening entertainments overlooking the pitches (so you can be reminded of what you've been through during the day). We already have 12 teams. So...get your cheques in. Jo From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu May 7 18:09:18 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id SAA00984 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 7 May 1998 18:01:19 +0100 (BST) Received: from wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk (wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk [131.111.48.24]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA00972 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Thu, 7 May 1998 18:01:17 +0100 (BST) Received: by wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk (UK-Smail 3.1.25.1/15) id <m0yXU2m-0005UoC@wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk>; Thu, 7 May 98 18:01 BST Message-Id: <m0yXU2m-0005UoC@wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 7 May 98 18:01 BST From: mackay@mrao.cam.ac.uk (David J.C. MacKay) To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk, frisbee@mrao.cam.ac.uk, udwg@mrao.cam.ac.uk Subject: CAM 98 - Open & Juniors ultimate tournaments, June 6-7 1998. Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Cambridge Ultimate proudly presents: ----------------- CAM 98 ----------------- Open & Juniors Ultimate tournaments Cambridge Rugby Union Club, Grantchester Road. June 6-7 1998 CAM 98 will be a high quality ultimate event consisting of TWO tournaments - an Open division, and a Junior division. ------------------------------------------------------------------- Tournament web page is http://wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk/ultimate/cam98/ Tournament contact and organiser-in-chief is: Dora Kemp 25 Greystoke Road, Cherry Hinton, Cambridge. CB1 4DT 01223 243156 (h) 01223 339336 (w) dak12@cus.cam.ac.uk (email or work phone are best) ------------------------------------------------------------------- All teams are welcome. Captains meeting is 9.30am. First game will be ON TIME at 10.00am. Games will be interleaved so Juniors can watch Open games and so that Juniors' coaches can play for their own open team. Venue is Cambridge Rugby Football Ground, Grantchester Road. Changing rooms and showers included. Parking is available next to the fields. The rugby club has a bar (no under-18s). Food will be available. Free tea / coffee will also be provided. We hope to get St Johns Ambulance to come. Camping on field is available, for free. Tournament cost - to be confirmed --------------------------------- Open teams: 85 pounds per team maximum, hopefully less. Juniors: 60 pounds per team maximum. Registration deadline: Saturday 30th May. ------------------------------------------------------------------- ============= please spread the word! ======== thanks ======= David ======= From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu May 7 18:43:09 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id SAA06265 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 7 May 1998 18:27:53 +0100 (BST) Received: from admin.warwick.ac.uk (sigma [137.205.249.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA06259 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Thu, 7 May 1998 18:27:52 +0100 (BST) Received: from SIGMA/MERCURY by admin.warwick.ac.uk (Mercury 1.21); 7 May 98 18:28:32 +0000 Received: from MERCURY by SIGMA (Mercury 1.21); 7 May 98 18:28:31 +0000 From: "Derek Robins" <D.J.Robins@admin.warwick.ac.uk> Organization: University of Warwick, CV4 7AL, UK To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 18:28:27 +0000 (GMT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Scottish Open Disc Golf & Other Developments Message-ID: <19CE32508E0@admin.warwick.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk The 7th Scottish Open DG Championships were held on Mull on 2-3 May. More than 40 players took part and it seemed like everyone had a great time. The weather was great and the views from the hillside course looking out over the sea loch to the Isle of Ulva were superb. There was some great golf by many players. Sean Young led after the first round and his brother Liam took over from him after the second round. Derek Robins and Sam Neilson made their moves on the Sunday with course records. After 4 rounds Del led Sam by 4 shots with Liam, Sean and Oz lying further back. These 5 contested an 8 hole final and after 3 holes Sam had caught up the 4 shots to tie the lead. (We felt duty bound to make it exciting for the spectators!!) Sam couldn't keep up the momentum and I took the championship for the 5th time. There were great individual performances all the way down the field, especially from people playing their first ever tournament. The social side was as good as always and I'm sure we have some more players now hooked on the sport and on this tournament in particular. ############ The sport is set to catch on in the north. ~ The Burnlaw course in Northumberland is to have 18 baskets installed during the summer. ~ Trevor Bechtel has permission in the pipeline from Perth council to put on a tournament. ~ Trevor is being interviewed about dg on local radio this Friday ~ A holiday chalet operation in Perthshire is looking to install a course. They have just ordered a whole bunch of discs from me. ~ A post course has been established at a school in Scotland. ########## For general info about disc golf look at the BDGA web site at www.ultimateweb.co.uk/bdga/ If you want golf discs contact me. If you are an ultimate player considering playing some golf then DO IT! I still play a bit of ultimate (for Violently Happy) and there are others (like Sam Neilson) who play a lot so track us down at tournaments if you want to find out more. Del *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*- Derek Robins | | D.J.Robins@admin.warwick.ac.uk Finance Office | | Tel 01203 522710 University of Warwick | | Fax 01203 572645 Coventry CV4 7AL | | Home 01926 864136 *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*- From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu May 7 19:06:24 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id SAA10552 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 7 May 1998 18:53:26 +0100 (BST) Received: from monsoon.dial.pipex.net (monsoon.dial.pipex.net [158.43.128.69]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA10536 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Thu, 7 May 1998 18:53:20 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199805071753.SAA10536@pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Received: (qmail 29496 invoked from network); 7 May 1998 17:53:18 -0000 Received: from usern294.uk.uudial.com (HELO default) (193.149.84.73) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 7 May 1998 17:53:18 -0000 Reply-To: <Matthew.Lowe@dial.pipex.com> From: "Matthew Lowe" <Matthew.Lowe@dial.pipex.com> To: <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Ultimate Magazines Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 18:48:01 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Is there a US Ultimate Magazine? (like Ulitimatum). If so does anyone know if ther is a site to download it from? Matt Lowe (Sunz) Matthew.Lowe@Dial.pipex.com From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu May 7 20:50:06 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id UAA24602 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 7 May 1998 20:37:12 +0100 (BST) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA24597 for <britdisc@warwick.ac.uk>; Thu, 7 May 1998 20:37:08 +0100 (BST) Received: from (cloe.demon.co.uk) [194.222.139.162] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yXWTb-0000V6-00; Thu, 7 May 1998 20:37:08 +0100 Message-ID: <Ft+usAAM0gU1IwXf@cloe.demon.co.uk> Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 20:35:40 +0100 To: britdisc@warwick.ac.uk, udwg@mrao.cam.ac.uk From: Terri Whitehead <terri@cloe.demon.co.uk> Subject: London Women's Ultimate Club MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Version 3.04 <S$gbUU14q3DXG3oWTriWltCzA4> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Please Note: The London Women's Ultimate Club will not start this Saturday as many of us, including myself, will be playing in Birmingham. Please join us on Wednesday May 13 at 6:30pm or the following Saturday at 1pm. Thanks! Terri Whitehead terri@cloe.demon.co.uk 0171-435-3450 Sorry this information was not part of the original message *Apologies to udwg for having received the original post twice* -- Terri Whitehead From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri May 8 09:59:23 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id JAA26955 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 8 May 1998 09:35:33 +0100 (BST) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA26948 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Fri, 8 May 1998 09:35:31 +0100 (BST) Received: from (stures.demon.co.uk) [194.222.19.95] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yXicr-0000y1-00; Fri, 8 May 1998 09:35:30 +0100 Received: by stures.demon.co.uk with Microsoft Mail id <01BD7A64.75232E00@stures.demon.co.uk>; Fri, 8 May 1998 09:34:11 +0100 Message-ID: <01BD7A64.75232E00@stures.demon.co.uk> From: Max <max@stures.demon.co.uk> To: "'Matthew.Lowe@dial.pipex.com'" <Matthew.Lowe@dial.pipex.com> Cc: "britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk" <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: RE: Ultimate Magazines Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 09:31:51 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Try contacting Dave Brown in Ottawa on ocua@ottawa.net He produces 'World Ultimate Magazine' -----Original Message----- From: Matthew Lowe [SMTP:Matthew.Lowe@dial.pipex.com] Sent: 07 May 1997 18:48 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Ultimate Magazines Is there a US Ultimate Magazine? (like Ulitimatum). If so does anyone know if ther is a site to download it from? Matt Lowe (Sunz) Matthew.Lowe@Dial.pipex.com From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri May 8 10:02:42 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id JAA29240 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 8 May 1998 09:49:01 +0100 (BST) Received: from monsoon.dial.pipex.net (monsoon.dial.pipex.net [158.43.128.69]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA29220 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Fri, 8 May 1998 09:48:55 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199805080848.JAA29220@pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Received: (qmail 15658 invoked from network); 8 May 1998 08:48:53 -0000 Received: from usern658.uk.uudial.com (HELO default) (193.149.85.183) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 8 May 1998 08:48:53 -0000 Reply-To: <Matthew.Lowe@dial.pipex.com> From: "Matthew Lowe" <Matthew.Lowe@dial.pipex.com> To: <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Tour III Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 09:43:33 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi all, I just wondered if anyone knows anything about the format of Tour III? eg. whos in what group etc. Cheers, Matt Lowe Matthew.Lowe@Dial.Pipex.com From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri May 8 12:51:54 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id MAA03629 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 8 May 1998 12:32:03 +0100 (BST) Received: from smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk (smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk [193.114.232.134]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA03615 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Fri, 8 May 1998 12:32:00 +0100 (BST) From: Wayne_Retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk Received: from ccMail by smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk (IMA Internet Exchange 3.0 Enterprise) id 00004BA2; Fri, 8 May 98 12:32:40 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 12:29:40 +0100 Message-ID: <00004BA2.eval@watsonwyatt.co.uk> Subject: Re[2]: Ultimate Magazines To: "'Matthew.Lowe@dial.pipex.com'" <Matthew.Lowe@dial.pipex.com>, Max <max@stures.demon.co.uk> Cc: "britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk" <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Well, the ONE edition that there has been so far... though there's another rumoured to be ready soon... Wayne ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: RE: Ultimate Magazines Author: Max <max@stures.demon.co.uk> at ~Internet Date: 08/05/98 09:31 Try contacting Dave Brown in Ottawa on ocua@ottawa.net He produces 'World Ultimate Magazine' ________________________________________________________________ Notice of Confidentiality This transmission is intended for the named addressee only. It contains information which may be confidential and which may also be privileged. Unless you are the named addressee (or authorised to receive it for the addressee) you may not copy or use it, or disclose it to anyone else. If you have received this transmission in error please contact: ~admin@watsonwyatt.co.uk or IT Manager: +44(0)1737 241144 Fax: +44(0)1737 241496 Watson Wyatt Partners is regulated by the Institute of Actuaries in the conduct of UK investment business. _________________________________________________________________ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri May 8 13:01:11 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id MAA03709 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 8 May 1998 12:32:26 +0100 (BST) Received: from gatekeeper.benfield.co.uk (gatekeeper.benfield.co.uk [193.129.127.221]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA03699 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Fri, 8 May 1998 12:32:23 +0100 (BST) Received: by gatekeeper.benfield.co.uk; id MAA10877; Fri, 8 May 1998 12:30:19 +0100 (BST) Received: from unknown(194.10.14.28) by gatekeeper.benfield.co.uk via smap (3.2) id xmab10871; Fri, 8 May 98 12:30:14 +0100 Received: by BENEXCHANGE with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id <KKVBXA1W>; Fri, 8 May 1998 12:31:47 +0100 Message-ID: <2C03D53C1CB6D111AC1C00805FEA5AC548AF1D@BENEXCHANGE> From: Colin Wagstaff <Colin.Wagstaff@benfieldgreig.com> To: "'Max'" <max@stures.demon.co.uk>, "'Matthew.Lowe@dial.pipex.com'" <Matthew.Lowe@dial.pipex.com> Cc: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: RE: Ultimate Magazines Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 12:31:44 +0100 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Don't hold your breath though, I'm still waiting for my second edition after purchasing the first whilst in Vancouver last year. > -----Original Message----- > From: Max [SMTP:max@stures.demon.co.uk] > Sent: 08 May 1998 09:32 > To: 'Matthew.Lowe@dial.pipex.com' > Cc: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk > Subject: RE: Ultimate Magazines > > Try contacting Dave Brown in Ottawa on ocua@ottawa.net > He produces 'World Ultimate Magazine' > > -----Original Message----- > From: Matthew Lowe [SMTP:Matthew.Lowe@dial.pipex.com] > Sent: 07 May 1997 18:48 > To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk > Subject: Ultimate Magazines > > Is there a US Ultimate Magazine? (like Ulitimatum). If so does anyone > know > if ther is a site to download it from? > > Matt Lowe (Sunz) > Matthew.Lowe@Dial.pipex.com From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri May 8 13:12:37 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id MAA00240 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 8 May 1998 12:21:17 +0100 (BST) Received: from amsta.leeds.ac.uk (amsta.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA00197 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Fri, 8 May 1998 12:21:13 +0100 (BST) Received: from newton.leeds.amsta (newton.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.64]) by amsta.leeds.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA29144 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Fri, 8 May 1998 12:22:07 +0100 (BST) Received: by newton.leeds.amsta (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id MAA08148; Fri, 8 May 1998 12:24:42 +0100 Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 12:24:42 +0100 From: amtsjh@amsta.leeds.ac.uk (S J Hill) Message-Id: <199805081124.MAA08148@newton.leeds.amsta> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Tour III - Killer Dump (aka Whiplash) X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Mark (and other Killer Dump players) I am very much assuming that you have a team; and that you are coming. I'm also presuming that you have all the info that you require. Si From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon May 11 08:00:21 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id HAA24730 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 11 May 1998 07:47:03 +0100 (BST) Received: from gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (ralf@gem [137.205.227.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA24721 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 11 May 1998 07:47:01 +0100 (BST) Received: (from ralf@localhost) by gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA21698 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Mon, 11 May 1998 07:47:01 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 07:47:01 +0100 (BST) From: Ranulf Doswell <ralf@dcs.warwick.ac.uk> Message-Id: <199805110647.HAA21698@gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: BFDF Events Reminder Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk British Flying Disc Federation Disc Events Diary ------------------------------------------------ The events list can also be found at http://www.dcs.warwick.ac.uk/~ralf/bfdf/ ---------- Sunday 17th May 1998 GB Masters Practice (1 day) @ Univeristy of Warwick, near Coventry [Masters Outdoor Ultimate Practice] The field adjacent to the sports hall. Contact David MacKay Email mackay@mrao.cam.ac.uk Phone (01223) 339852 fax: 354599 home: 276411 URL http://wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk/mackay/ Thursday 21st May 1998 Rotterdam (4 days) [Outdoor Ultimate Abroad] Saturday 23rd May 1998 Mad Kows KowPat '98 (2 days) @ Open University, Kilton Keynes [Outdoor Ultimate] URL: http://www.mk.dmu.ac.uk/~mstacey/Ultimate/kowpat.htm Space for 16 teams, camping available. Contact Laurie Ritchie Email l.j.ritchie@cranfield.ac.uk URL http://www-cs.open.ac.uk/~martin/pages/Mad_Kows.html Saturday 30th May 1998 Chaos Outdoors (2 days) @ Trent Park, N. London [Outdoor Ultimate] 16 teams. Camping available. Contact Dan Jones Phone 0181 364 1652 Contact Jo Nurney Email JN061@mdx.ac.uk BDGA Golf (2 days) TBC @ Hayling Island, Southampton [Golf] WizOpen '98 (3 days) @ Geneva [Outdoor Ultimate Abroad] URL: http://www.wizards.ch/WizOpen.htm Contact Yves Maumary Email speedy@wizards.ch Saturday 6th June 1998 CAM '98 (2 days) @ Cambridge Rugby Union Club, Grantchester Road, Cambridge [Outdoor Ultimate] URL: http://wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk/ultimate/cam98/ Open and Juniors Contact David MacKay Email mackay@mrao.cam.ac.uk Phone (01223) 339852 fax: 354599 home: 276411 URL http://wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk/mackay/ TD Dora Kemp Address 25 Greystoke Road Cherry Hinton Cambridge. CB1 4DT Comment Email or work phone are best Email dak12@cus.cam.ac.uk Phone 01223 243156 (h) 01223 339336 (w) Fiesta (2 days) TBC [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 13th June 1998 GB Training (Open and Women) (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Quarry Park, Warwickshire [Golf] Sunday 14th June 1998 GB Masters Practice (1 day) TBC [Masters Outdoor Ultimate Practice] Contact David MacKay Email mackay@mrao.cam.ac.uk Phone (01223) 339852 fax: 354599 home: 276411 URL http://wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk/mackay/ Saturday 20th June 1998 Tour IV (2 days) @ Southampton [Outdoor Ultimate] TD Tim Woolford Email tww93si@soton.ac.uk Saturday 27th June 1998 Junior Outdoors (2 days) @ Adam's Grammar School, Newport, Shropshire [Junior Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Rowena Gill Email maths.adamsg@mail.adamsg.rmplc.co.uk Saturday 4th July 1998 GB Training (Open and Women) (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 11th July 1998 Tour V (2 days) @ Double Locks, Exeter [Outdoor Ultimate] TD Kevin Lowe Email kevinl@curved-logic.com Saturday 18th July 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Whitcombe, Dorset [Golf] Date reserved (2 days) Saturday 25th July 1998 GB Training (Open and Women) (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 1st August 1998 Ross-On-Wye (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 8th August 1998 GB Training (Open and Women) (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Friday 14th August 1998 Worlds (10 days) [Outdoor Ultimate Abroad] Saturday 15th August 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Essex University [Golf] Sunday 16th August 1998 DDC Tournament (1 day) [Outdoor DDC] Contact Mark Jefferson Email Mark.Jj@btinternet.com Saturday 22nd August 1998 Something Fun (2 days) @ Hitchin, Herts [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Layout Dreams Email tour2@phidelta.demon.co.uk URL http://www.phidelta.demon.co.uk/ Saturday 29th August 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) TBC @ Perth or Edinburgh [Golf] Friday 11th September 1998 BUF Open (3 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 19th September 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Burnlaw, Horthumberland [Golf] Saturday 26th September 1998 Nationals 98 (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 24th October 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Whitcombe, Dorset [Golf Handicap] ---------------------------------------------------------- British Flying Disc Federation Disc Events Diary http://www.dcs.warwick.ac.uk/~ralf/bfdf/ Ranulf Doswell, ralf@dcs.warwick.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon May 11 12:39:14 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id MAA16524 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 11 May 1998 12:20:47 +0100 (BST) Received: from crocus (stuly@crocus-fddi [137.205.4.6]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA16516 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 11 May 1998 12:20:46 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 12:20:44 +0100 (BST) From: James Ayrton <stuly@csv.warwick.ac.uk> X-Sender: stuly@crocus To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Masters Practice at Warwick Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.980511121739.17590B-100000@crocus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi BD'ers The location for this weekends masters practice is not on the normal field as this has been taken over by cricket so we have booked our new pitch which is now behind the astro pitches at the Westwood site. I'm sure Sammy will know where this is so if you want directions etc talk to him. I hope this is clear Jim (Bears) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon May 11 12:41:08 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id MAA19419 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 11 May 1998 12:31:41 +0100 (BST) Received: from oxmail4.ox.ac.uk (oxmail4.ox.ac.uk [163.1.2.33]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA19406 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 11 May 1998 12:31:39 +0100 (BST) Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk by oxmail4 with SMTP (PP) with ESMTP; Mon, 11 May 1998 12:31:11 +0100 Received: from localhost (immd0001@localhost) by ermine.ox.ac.uk (1.1/8.8.3) with SMTP id MAA14559 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 11 May 1998 12:31:00 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 12:31:00 +0100 (BST) From: Paul Meaney <paul.meaney@molecular-medicine.oxford.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Calling all ex- Sneeekys Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.95.980511121652.23571A-100000@ermine.ox.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk To all those who have played with Seeekys in the past, As you may (ar may not) know, last year was Sneeeky's 10th anniversary, which we celebrated with an team of Sneeekys' Old Gits (called X-S) at Ross-on Wye '97. I think it's fair to say that a good time was had by all. Now I'm trying to guage interest in putting togeter another SOG team for ross '98. So far, response from all those who were at Tour III has been along the lines of sounds good/ could do, could do/ bloody right!!! (with the exception of raf, who has coughed up a 'definite maybe', which is as near enough I suppose :-) ) So, we are sorting out interest from those still in edinburgh, but right now I'm looking at those of you who have left the fold to go to pastures new. So if Malcolm. Seany, JJ, Dave Martin and anyone else who is *still* trying to wash Meadows Mud out of their t- shirts is interested, let me know preferably by email. As I say, right now we are just seeing what the interest is like, but it could be a bit of a blast! Well done to UTI at the w/e, but also kudos to the Shotgun/ Catch semi which, though not the most spirited game I've ever seen, was for spectator value one of the most memorable. Paul //////////////////////////////////\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ ****************************************************************************** Kryten: sir, you must forgive Mr Rimmer, he's suffering from a stress- related nervous disorder Lister: Next time I see him he'll be suffering from a fist- related teeth disorder ****************************************************************************** \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\//////////////////////////////////////////// From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon May 11 15:12:12 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id OAA22788 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 11 May 1998 14:50:10 +0100 (BST) Received: from oxmail3.ox.ac.uk (oxmail3.ox.ac.uk [163.1.2.9]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA22779 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 11 May 1998 14:50:08 +0100 (BST) Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk by oxmail3 with SMTP (PP) with ESMTP; Mon, 11 May 1998 14:50:00 +0100 Received: from localhost (immd0001@localhost) by ermine.ox.ac.uk (1.1/8.8.3) with SMTP id OAA19662; Mon, 11 May 1998 14:48:16 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 14:48:16 +0100 (BST) From: Paul Meaney <paul.meaney@molecular-medicine.oxford.ac.uk> To: Kevin Lowe <kevinl@curved-logic.com> cc: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: RE: Calling all ex- Sneeekys In-Reply-To: <01BD7CE9.B0DC6560@dns0.curved-logic.com> Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.95.980511144533.17637B-100000@ermine.ox.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk > >but also kudos to the Shotgun/ Catch semi which... > > Hey Paul! That was a pool match. Chevron played Shotgun in the semi.. > Kevin. kevin and all, what can I say except...D'OH!!! yeah...pool games on a saturday, semis and final on a sunday. Catch played gun on a saturday therefore...... brain now engaged. sorry. Paul //////////////////////////////////\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ ****************************************************************************** Kryten: sir, you must forgive Mr Rimmer, he's suffering from a stress- related nervous disorder Lister: Next time I see him he'll be suffering from a fist- related teeth disorder ****************************************************************************** \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\//////////////////////////////////////////// On Mon, 11 May 1998, Kevin Lowe wrote: > -- > | E-mail Kev@Curved-logic.com Phone (+44)1244-382371 > | www.curved-logic.com/~kevin > | > | His vocabulary is as bad as, like, whatever. > > From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon May 11 16:38:57 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id PAA07967 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 11 May 1998 15:55:06 +0100 (BST) Received: from lynx.europe.shiva.com (lynx.europe.shiva.com [134.191.64.5]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA07945 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 11 May 1998 15:55:01 +0100 (BST) Received: from edhub.europe.shiva.com (edhub.europe.shiva.com [134.191.64.228]) by lynx.europe.shiva.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA14803 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 11 May 1998 15:54:27 +0100 (BST) Received: by edhub.europe.shiva.com(Lotus SMTP MTA SMTP MTA v1.1.04 (495.1 10-24-1997)) id 80256601.00517291 ; Mon, 11 May 1998 15:49:37 +0100 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SHIVA From: "Andrew Wilson"<agw@europe.shiva.com> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Message-ID: <8025663E.0051FB63.00@edhub.europe.shiva.com> Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 15:56:53 +0100 Subject: Tour results? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Some of us weren't there (!) Any chance of a few results? From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon May 11 17:27:20 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id QAA23923 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 11 May 1998 16:58:33 +0100 (BST) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA23874 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 11 May 1998 16:58:23 +0100 (BST) Received: from ultimatum.demon.co.uk ([158.152.203.174]) by post.mail.demon.net id ab2012854; 11 May 98 15:05 GMT Subject: London Ultimate Sesh full details Date: Mon, 11 May 98 16:13:39 +0100 x-sender: ultimatum@pop3.demon.co.uk x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: Paul Hurt <paul@ultimatum.demon.co.uk> To: BritDisc <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Message-ID: <894899128.2012854.1@ultimatum.demon.co.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi all. Message for Londoners only... LONDON ULTIMATE SESSION STARTS THURSDAY ======================================= If you live or work in London, play or are interested in playing Ultimate, you should be coming along to this... Here is info for everyone planning to come to Clapham Common for the summer league/pickup game thingy. Read carefully, as there's some important changes compared to last year. Please print out and pass it on to anyone not on e-mail. Main points ----------- * We start this Thursday, the 14th May. Arrive around 6.45, playing by 7.15. * New location - see below * Because of Rotterdam etc, the league won't get underway for two weeks. Pickup game(s) until then. * Neil Travers is sorting the league teams - register with him from here on. * Web site now updated with maps etc. Where ----- Finally got confirmation from Lambeth Council. We have two of the football pitches at Clapham Common officially booked for our use on Thursday evenings. This means we can throw people off them if they're already occupied when we get there. No more trekking around looking for somewhere to play. The pitches are NOT where we played last year however. They are pitches "3 and 4", which are towards the north-west end of the Common. There's a map on the website which shows where they are, but basically, if you're walking from Clapham Common tube station, walk along the north side of the Common (i.e. along Clapham Common North Side - that's the name of the road) for five minutes and you will see the pitches on your left. Do not walk along the main road towards Eagle Pond and the Windmill Pub where we were last year - that's the wrong way. It's about the same walking distance from Clapham South tube as well, though you'll have to cut across the common somewhere. Sadly, Lambeth have changed their minds about marking the pitches for us. Apparently they have a one-day (!) football tournament going on later this year, and aren't prepared to confuse the poor soccer players with any additional lines. Advantages of this site ----------------------- * We've managed to book it. Lambeth don't want us to play at Eagle Pond this year anyway, because they're trying to repair the football pitch there. * The two games will be right side-by-side for once. * It's much nearer Clapham Junction BR station. May be useful for Croydon and Brighton based players. * It's quite good in terms of attracting outside interest - there's a well-used footpath running alongside this space, and also you get great rush-hour traffic jams on North Side - loads of bored car-drivers with nothing better to do than watch us. * The grass there is some of the best on the Common (though not the best you've ever played on). * No goose crap to dodge. Disadvantages of this site -------------------------- * It's a longer walk to the pub afterwards. * It's on a slight slope. The football pitches are marked out across the gradient, not up and down it, so if we want to use any of the lines (suggest we do), we have to put up with this. Let's see how it works out. * A bit less "picturesque" and sheltered. * May have to dodge dog crap. But not much worse in that respect than anywhere else on the common. League ------ Neil Travers has been good enough to agree to sort out the league teams. Because Neil's away this week, and it's Rotterdam next week, we'll start the league the week after that. This gives us time to sort teams, and time for other people to sign up (we still need more players - I'm sure there's loads of you who are intending to play who haven't been in touch). In the meantime, we can have (hopefully) two pickup games running side-by-side for the first two weeks. If you want to play in the league, get in touch with Neil at neil@dreamer.demon.co.uk and tell him: * your name * your home phone * a daytime phone no if poss * your e-mail (if you have it) * the team you normally play for (e.g. Gun, First Touch, etc) * whether you're a "definite" or a "maybe" The last bit is quite important - key part of ensuring that the league works. Basically, "definites" are expected to show up just about every week (at least, every week that your team has a league game, which is two out of every three). If you don't think you'll be able to do this, but you'd still like to play in the league when you can make it, sign up as a "maybe". Please, if you can commit to showing up regularly, then it would be appreciated if you declared yourself a "definite". Web site has been updated ------------------------- Visit http://www.ultimatum.demon.co.uk/lus/ There you'll find a new map with the location of the pitches marked. Also a bit more information about how the league will work this year. Phew. Hope to see everyone on Thursday. Spread the word. Looking forward to another huge turnout this year. Any problems, drop me a line Thanks Paul --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Hurt Editor, Ultimatum Magazine, London, England editor@ultimatum.demon.co.uk Visit Ultimatum Online... http://www.ultimatum.demon.co.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon May 11 17:49:50 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id RAA01027 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 11 May 1998 17:26:42 +0100 (BST) Received: from inetsvr.merchants.co.uk (inetsvr.merchants.co.uk [194.193.200.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA01005 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 11 May 1998 17:26:37 +0100 (BST) Received: from [201.1.3.159] by inetsvr.merchants.co.uk (NTMail 3.02.13) with ESMTP id fa084141 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 11 May 1998 17:30:08 +0100 Message-ID: <35573535.735C@merchants.co.uk> Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 17:28:21 +0000 From: Patrick Winser <patrick.winser@merchants.co.uk> Reply-To: patrick.winser@merchants.co.uk Organization: Merchants X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: British National Team Members Only References: <Pine.OSF.3.95.980511144533.17637B-100000@ermine.ox.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi there I have just been given a contact name to the groups dept of KLM/Northwestern booking dept. I am going to be giving them details for the juniors group booking. If some of you are going and coming back on fri 14th to 23rd of August and want to be included let me know as I am willing for a small fee to book extra places if you want to travel on those days. I have been told that this should be cheaper than through travel agents. you can respond to me direct to avoid annoying all the bder's who have no interest in reading your replies. Patch From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon May 11 22:41:39 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id WAA16667 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 11 May 1998 22:29:51 +0100 (BST) Received: from praseodumium.btinternet.com (praseodumium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.82]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA16659 for <Britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 11 May 1998 22:29:50 +0100 (BST) Received: from btinternet.com [195.99.55.74] by praseodumium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 1.70 #1) id 0yZ07u-0003O3-00; Mon, 11 May 1998 22:28:51 +0100 Message-ID: <MAPI.Id.0016.0061726b2e4a6a203236373930303132@MAPI.to.RFC822> To: "'Britdisc'" <Britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mark Jefferson <Mark.Jj@btinternet.com> Subject: WFDF Rules Date: Mon, 11 May 98 17:27:15 +0100 ( + ) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id WAA16660 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi Guys My rules are about four years out of date and would like to get a 98 edition - any ideas??? Cheers for any bright ideas Mark Jefferson Whiplash 14 Troutbeck Peartree Bridge Milton Keynes MK6 3ED 01908 666573 Mark.JJ@btinternet.com From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon May 11 22:41:41 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id WAA15440 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 11 May 1998 22:18:59 +0100 (BST) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA15426 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 11 May 1998 22:18:55 +0100 (BST) Received: from (phidelta.demon.co.uk) [158.152.248.177] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yYzyF-0004Eb-00; Mon, 11 May 1998 22:18:54 +0100 Message-ID: <SDaG4BAAs2V1Ewm+@phidelta.demon.co.uk> Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 22:17:52 +0100 To: BritDisc <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Cc: Merrick Cardew <merrick.cardew@g4tech.co.uk> From: Wayne Retter <wayne@phidelta.demon.co.uk> Subject: Ultim8 Tour Rankings after Event III (Birmingham) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Trial Version 3.04 <pjZRgFWDsQK5ViyP$l4rxVrb6a> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Rank Points Team Name 1 730 UTI 2 710 Shotgun 3 666 Catch 22 4 625 Fluid Druids 5 620 Chevron Action Flash 6 530 Red I 7 524 First Touch 8 521 Headrush 9 451 Violently Happy 10 450 Red Shift 11 449 Sneeekys 12 361 Blue Arse Flies 13 341 Mild Mannered Janitors 14 295 GB Juniors 15 291 Sharks 16 261 Village People 17 235 Superfly 18 228 Strange Blue 19 212 Skunks 20 211 Jedi Children 21 165 Bliss 22 157 Twin Peaks 23 145 NightFever 24 135 Picnic in the Sky 25 98 Whiplash 26 80 K-Niggets 27 78 SlipDisc 28 72 Mad Kows 29 60 Fingers 6 30 35 Uriel 30 35 Mohawk Mwnci Magic 30 35 Chaos 33 27 One Touch More 34 25 Red II 34 25 Phat 'Eds 36 10 Mud Culture 37 5 Charnwood Sunz Notes: 30 - Uriel vs Mohawk Mwnci Magic vs Chaos 3-way tie to be resolved 34 - Red II rank above Phat 'Eds as Red are a Geo club. Wayne Retter U8C Rankings Officer visit the Ultim8 Tour website at http://www.phidelta.demon.co.uk/u8-98/ ---------------------------------------------------------------- Wayne Retter at home: 01737-242109 wayne@phidelta.demon.co.uk at work: 01737-273611 wayne_retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon May 11 22:41:57 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id WAA15420 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 11 May 1998 22:18:53 +0100 (BST) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA15415 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 11 May 1998 22:18:51 +0100 (BST) Received: from (phidelta.demon.co.uk) [158.152.248.177] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yYzyD-0004El-00; Mon, 11 May 1998 22:18:49 +0100 Message-ID: <ChaiwRAC40V1EwG2@phidelta.demon.co.uk> Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 20:14:10 +0100 To: BritDisc <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>, Merrick Cardew <merrick.cardew@g4tech.co.uk> From: Wayne Retter <wayne@phidelta.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: Tour III - Results In-Reply-To: <00005335.eval@watsonwyatt.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Trial Version 3.04 <pjZRgFWDsQK5ViyP$l4rxVrb6a> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Ultim8 Tour III - 9+10 May 1998 - Birmingham Spirit of the Game: NightFever (winners of a Village People; Nightfever; Mad Kows 3-way tie by merit of having the most 'perfect fives') Pos Team Points 1 UTI 250 2 Shotgun 230 3 Catch 22 222 4 Chevron Action Flash 210 5 Fluid Druids 205 6 Headrush 190 7 First Touch 181 8 Red 170 9 Sneeekys 162 10 Sharks 150 11 Violently Happy 141 12 Red Shift 130 13 Superfly 125 14 Blue Arse Flies 110 15 Mild Mannered Janitors 101 16 NightFever 90 17 Village People 81 18 GB Juniors 73 19 Skunks 67 20 Jedi Children 60 21 Strange Blue 53 22 Twin Peaks 47 23 Bliss 40 24 Slipdisc 33 25 One Touch More 27 26 Mohawk Mwnci Magic 20 27 Killer Dump (fka Whiplash) 13 28 Mad Kows 7 Total Tour Ranking and points to follow... Wayne Retter U8C Rankings Officer Ultim8 Tour website is at http://www.phidelta.demon.co.uk/u8-98/ PS: TWL and relegation from Tour IV(Southampton) will follow once Si Hill gets back from his work trip... ---------------------------------------------------------------- Wayne Retter at home: 01737-242109 wayne@phidelta.demon.co.uk at work: 01737-273611 wayne_retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon May 11 23:16:48 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id WAA20228 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 11 May 1998 22:58:36 +0100 (BST) Received: from wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk (bee.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk [131.111.48.99]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA20219 for <Britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 11 May 1998 22:58:34 +0100 (BST) Received: by wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk (UK-Smail 3.1.25.1/15) id <m0yZ0ag-000009C@wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk>; Mon, 11 May 98 22:58 BST Message-Id: <m0yZ0ag-000009C@wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 11 May 98 22:58 BST From: mackay@mrao.cam.ac.uk (David J.C. MacKay) To: Britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk, Mark.Jj@btinternet.com Subject: Re: WFDF Rules Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk You could try http://www.ira.uka.de/~thgries/wfdf/rulesbook/wfdfrule.htm or else ask Charlie Mead, he is a big WFDF dude. David From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue May 12 11:59:53 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id LAA10495 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 12 May 1998 11:26:24 +0100 (BST) Received: from irafs1.ira.uka.de (irafs1.ira.uka.de [129.13.10.100]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA02508 for <Britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Tue, 12 May 1998 09:17:31 +0100 (BST) Received: from [129.13.2.181] [129.13.2.181] (actually i02mac181.ira.uka.de) by irafs1 with SMTP (PP); Tue, 12 May 1998 10:16:54 +0200 X-Sender: griesbaum@i02mac198.ira.uka.de Message-Id: <l03102802b17db467370a@[129.13.2.181]> In-Reply-To: <MAPI.Id.0016.0061726b2e4a6a203236373930303132@MAPI.to.RFC822> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 10:16:58 +0200 To: "'Britdisc'" <Britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> From: Thomas Griesbaum <thgries@ira.uka.de> Subject: Re: WFDF Rules Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk At 18:27 Uhr +0200 11.05.1998, Mark Jefferson wrote: >My rules are about four years out of date and would like to get a 98 >edition - any ideas??? and mackay@mrao.cam.ac.uk (David J.C. MacKay) wrote: >You could try >http://www.ira.uka.de/~thgries/wfdf/rulesbook/wfdfrule.htm >or else ask Charlie Mead, he is a big WFDF dude. The above mentioned site has the 1996 WFDF Rules book. The 1997 version never was put on the web, but somebody is currently working on the 1998 edition. When it is finished it will either be at the URL above or at the WFDF site http://www.wfdf.org/ Your national association should also be able to provide you with a printed copy. Thomas From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue May 12 13:19:33 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id LAA14603 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 12 May 1998 11:42:58 +0100 (BST) Received: from clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@clover-fddi [137.205.4.2]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA14573 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Tue, 12 May 1998 11:42:55 +0100 (BST) From: P.M.Connor@open.ac.uk Received: from venus.open.ac.uk (venus.open.ac.uk [137.108.143.2]) by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA11262 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Tue, 12 May 1998 10:57:32 +0100 (BST) Received: from damson.open.ac.uk by venus with SMTP Local (MMTA v2.2); Tue, 12 May 1998 10:39:54 +0100 Received: from pctest.open.ac.uk by damson.open.ac.uk (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA00873; Tue, 12 May 98 10:39:42 BST Message-Id: <9805120939.AA00873@damson.open.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 10:39:36 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: Kowpat In-Reply-To: <199805110647.HAA21698@gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Could all those teams who expressed an interest in coming to kowpat on Sat/Sun get their GBP15 deposits in IMMEDIATELY please if you're still coming to our lovely riverside tournie. If I recall correctly teams expressing an interest but yet to confirm include Janitors, Mohawks, Village, if someone can get in touch to confirm or deny their attendance it would be appreciated, contact below or just mail me a reply. Any other teams who fancy coming to what is one of the cheapest tournie's on the calendar are still welcome but we need to know if you're coming NOW. This could be your only opportunity to play ultimate on a cricket pitch, don't miss out! There seemed to be enough interest at Brimingham to have at least two pick-up teams, could anybody who'd like to come along to pick-up reply directly to me so we know what kind of numbers we've got, pick-up fee will be GBP7. All Cheques to be made payable to MadKows Ultimate and sent to : Matt Hinton OU Business School Open University Milton Keynes Bucks MK7 6AA Mad Kows KowPat '98 (2 days) @ Open University, Kilton Keynes [Outdoor Ultimate] URL: http://www.mk.dmu.ac.uk/~mstacey/Ultimate/kowpat.htm Space for 16 teams, camping available. Contact Laurie Ritchie Email l.j.ritchie@cranfield.ac.uk URL http://www-cs.open.ac.uk/~martin/pages/Mad_Kows.html From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue May 12 16:18:56 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id PAA25674 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 12 May 1998 15:53:33 +0100 (BST) Received: from ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk (cusexim@ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.6]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA25659 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Tue, 12 May 1998 15:53:30 +0100 (BST) Received: from caj1.arch.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.34.20]) by ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.91 #1) for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk id 0yZGQp-0007EK-00; Tue, 12 May 1998 15:53:27 +0100 Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 15:53:32 GMT From: "Dora A. Kemp" <dak12@cam.ac.uk> To: <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Ross-on-Wye X-Mailer: Mulberry [1.0.1, s/n #10001] X-Authenticated: dak12 by imap.cus.cam.ac.uk X-Licensed-To: University of Cambridge MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <E0yZGQp-0007EK-00@ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Who is organizing this? Strange Blue is interested in attending. Dora Kemp Whatever does good should be held in honour, and the only shame is in doing harm. - Plato McDonald Institute for Archaeological Research Downing Street, Cambridge, England, CB2 3ER (01223) 339336; (01223) 333536 (FAX)/(01223) 339285; dak12@cam.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue May 12 23:41:33 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id XAA18704 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 12 May 1998 23:28:14 +0100 (BST) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA18697 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Tue, 12 May 1998 23:28:09 +0100 (BST) Received: from (phidelta.demon.co.uk) [158.152.248.177] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yZNWo-0006kC-00; Tue, 12 May 1998 23:28:07 +0100 Message-ID: <zj9VEFAytIW1Ew5j@phidelta.demon.co.uk> Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 18:48:34 +0100 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: Wayne on behalf of Fluid Druids <adam.batchelor@virgin.net> Reply-To: Adam Batchelor <adam.batchelor@virgin.net> Subject: Re: Ross-on-Wye In-Reply-To: <E0yZGQp-0007EK-00@ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Trial Version 3.04 <pjZRgFWDsQK5ViyP$l4rxVrb6a> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk (I'm getting a litle annoyed that people don't check back through their mail) For the nth time... ADAM BATCHELOR is running Ross-on-Wye 98 and is doing EVERYTHING Adam can be contacted by email: adam.batchelor@virgin.net or by phone on: h01275-842753 m0976-440218 w01275-817011 As far as I know for sure: Tournament dates: 1+2 August 1998 Adam HAS booked the pitches (same place as usual) I THINK Adam said something about planning to send out the invites in June, and it then being 'first-come-first-serve' If you want to ensure that you get an invite, you'd better hassle him - maybe he'll get them done sooner... Wayne , "Dora A. Kemp" <dak12@cam.ac.uk> writes >Who is organizing this? Strange Blue is interested in attending. > >Dora Kemp ---------------------------------------------------------------- Wayne Retter at home: 01737-242109 wayne@phidelta.demon.co.uk at work: 01737-273611 wayne_retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed May 13 09:35:03 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id JAA07172 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 13 May 1998 09:20:28 +0100 (BST) Received: from newsgate.dircon.co.uk (uugate1.dircon.co.uk [194.112.50.20]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA07159 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Wed, 13 May 1998 09:20:25 +0100 (BST) From: laurab@ehs.co.uk Received: from ehs.co.uk (uucp@localhost) by newsgate.dircon.co.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with UUCP id JAA07609; Wed, 13 May 1998 09:20:24 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199805130820.JAA07609@newsgate.dircon.co.uk> Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 9:20:22 +0100 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk, adam.batchelor@virgin.net Subject: Re: Ross-on-Wye MIME-version: 1.0 (Created by TFS) Content-Type: text/plain ; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: TFS Gateway V210U0822M Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id JAA07164 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hello Adam, Village People would lurve to receive an invite. Hugs Laura ---------- From: adam.batchelor@virgin.net To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; EHS/LONDON/LAURAB Subject: Re: Ross-on-Wye Date: 12 May 1998 23:39 <<File Attachment: UUCP_ENV.TXT>> (I'm getting a litle annoyed that people don't check back through their mail) For the nth time... ADAM BATCHELOR is running Ross-on-Wye 98 and is doing EVERYTHING Adam can be contacted by email: adam.batchelor@virgin.net or by phone on: h01275-842753 m0976-440218 w01275-817011 As far as I know for sure: Tournament dates: 1+2 August 1998 Adam HAS booked the pitches (same place as usual) I THINK Adam said something about planning to send out the invites in June, and it then being 'first-come-first-serve' If you want to ensure that you get an invite, you'd better hassle him - maybe he'll get them done sooner... Wayne , "Dora A. Kemp" <dak12@cam.ac.uk> writes >Who is organizing this? Strange Blue is interested in attending. > >Dora Kemp ---------------------------------------------------------------- Wayne Retter at home: 01737-242109 wayne@phidelta.demon.co.uk at work: 01737-273611 wayne_retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed May 13 12:18:14 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id MAA17133 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 13 May 1998 12:00:22 +0100 (BST) Received: from ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk (cusexim@ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.6]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA17096 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Wed, 13 May 1998 12:00:17 +0100 (BST) Received: from caj1.arch.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.34.20]) by ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.91 #1) for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk id 0yZZGe-0004D6-00; Wed, 13 May 1998 12:00:12 +0100 Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 12:00:19 GMT From: "Dora A. Kemp" <dak12@cam.ac.uk> To: <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Chaos tournament X-Mailer: Mulberry [1.0.1, s/n #10001] X-Authenticated: dak12 by imap.cus.cam.ac.uk X-Licensed-To: University of Cambridge MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <E0yZZGe-0004D6-00@ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Are there any teams out there who would like to join up with Strange Blue for the Chaos tournament on May 30/31 in London. We have a squad of 5 and could use your help. Dora Kemp Strange Blue Whatever does good should be held in honour, and the only shame is in doing harm. - Plato McDonald Institute for Archaeological Research Downing Street, Cambridge, England, CB2 3ER (01223) 339336; (01223) 333536 (FAX)/(01223) 339285; dak12@cam.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed May 13 12:28:49 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id MAA22498 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 13 May 1998 12:20:30 +0100 (BST) Received: from ultra2.aber.ac.uk (ultra2.aber.ac.uk [144.124.16.18]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA22475 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Wed, 13 May 1998 12:20:27 +0100 (BST) Received: from pccbhj.ccu.aber.ac.uk (pccbhj) [144.124.17.84] by ultra2.aber.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.80 #1) id 0yZZaE-0004Kp-00; Wed, 13 May 1998 12:20:27 +0100 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980513122022.008fe550@pophost.aber.ac.uk> X-Sender: jag6@pophost.aber.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 12:20:22 +0100 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: JOHN ALEXANDER GARRETT <jag6@aber.ac.uk> Subject: Womens Ultimate..again! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Greetings, Following the heated debate about womens Ultimate, the general concensus seemed to be that more womens teams at University level wouldn't be a bad thing. Because of this (and the fact we actually have women players this year), we are going to make a concerted effort to set up a womens team next semester. Has anybody got any decent posters/ videos etc of womens Ultimate that we could borrow/ copy? Any useful advice wouldn't be ignored. Cheers Bisto (Mwnci See) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed May 13 12:46:18 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id MAA23560 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 13 May 1998 12:24:26 +0100 (BST) Received: from oxmail4.ox.ac.uk (oxmail4.ox.ac.uk [163.1.2.33]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA23554 for <Britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Wed, 13 May 1998 12:24:24 +0100 (BST) Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk by oxmail4 with SMTP (PP) with ESMTP; Wed, 13 May 1998 12:24:18 +0100 Received: from localhost (immd0001@localhost) by ermine.ox.ac.uk (1.1/8.8.3) with SMTP id MAA20625 for <Britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Wed, 13 May 1998 12:24:17 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 12:24:17 +0100 (BST) From: Paul Meaney <paul.meaney@molecular-medicine.oxford.ac.uk> To: Britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Calling some more Ex- Sneeekys Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.95.980513122153.30249A-100000@ermine.ox.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi All, if anyone is in touch with the following people could you get them to get in touch with me reagrding a Sneeekys Old Farts team (SOFT): Malcolm Lee (last seen playing for Stan) John Johnson (last seen in london somewhere) David Ness (last seen) Dan Salkeld (?) adios, Paul //////////////////////////////////\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ ****************************************************************************** Kryten: sir, you must forgive Mr Rimmer, he's suffering from a stress- related nervous disorder Lister: Next time I see him he'll be suffering from a fist- related teeth disorder ****************************************************************************** \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\//////////////////////////////////////////// From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed May 13 14:05:37 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id NAA13736 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 13 May 1998 13:42:50 +0100 (BST) Received: from smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk (smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk [193.114.232.134]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA13716 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Wed, 13 May 1998 13:42:47 +0100 (BST) From: Wayne_Retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk Received: from ccMail by smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk (IMA Internet Exchange 3.0 Enterprise) id 00005D19; Wed, 13 May 98 13:43:31 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 13:41:13 +0100 Message-ID: <00005D19.eval@watsonwyatt.co.uk> Subject: Re: British National Team Members Only To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Cc: karl.mann@tnagb.com, merrick.cardew@g4tech.co.uk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Following on from Patch's theory of booking flights, anybody got any plans for how much time they're planning for Worlds and any associated pre-/post- tournament holiday? I'm *thinking* of flying out a couple of days early (Wed) to get used to the place and the weather, and back anything up to a week later (but from where?) Wayne PS: Thomas Cook@Redhill say (today) that Northwest/KLM still have direct return flights available from Gatwick to Minneapolis at 543.00 (Mon-Thu) or 560.00 (Fri-Sun) + 44.00 tax at work: 01737-273611 wayne_retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk at home: 01737-242109 wayne@phidelta.demon.co.uk Note: I no longer have a mobile phone number... ________________________________________________________________ Notice of Confidentiality This transmission is intended for the named addressee only. It contains information which may be confidential and which may also be privileged. Unless you are the named addressee (or authorised to receive it for the addressee) you may not copy or use it, or disclose it to anyone else. If you have received this transmission in error please contact: ~admin@watsonwyatt.co.uk or IT Manager: +44(0)1737 241144 Fax: +44(0)1737 241496 Watson Wyatt Partners is regulated by the Institute of Actuaries in the conduct of UK investment business. _________________________________________________________________ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed May 13 16:01:34 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id PAA15548 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 13 May 1998 15:44:13 +0100 (BST) Received: from neptune.pegasus.cranfield.ac.uk (neptune.pegasus.cranfield.ac.uk [138.250.1.185]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA15511 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Wed, 13 May 1998 15:44:05 +0100 (BST) Received: from lnnt010f.lanch.cranfield.ac.uk [138.250.34.10] by neptune.pegasus.cranfield.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #1) id 0yZclI-0003xf-00; Wed, 13 May 1998 15:44:04 +0100 From: Aaron Altman <A.Altman@cranfield.ac.uk> Reply-To: A.Altman@cranfield.ac.uk To: British Disc Discussion Group <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Worlds: US Coed Team - Application <fwd> Message-ID: <SIMEON.9805131520.B@lnnt010f.ecs.pc.cranfield.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 15:43:20 +0100 (British Summer Time) X-Mailer: Simeon for Win32 Version 4.1.2 Build (32) X-Authentication: none MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Thought some of you might find this amusing..... Aaron Hello, Below is the application for individuals who would like to play on the US Coed Team at Worlds. A copy can also be found at http://www.upa.org/coed/Worlds. For information about Worlds, see http://www.worldultimate.org. Print copies of this application for any non-wired friends you think should apply... Joey Gray, UPA Coed Director -------------------------------------- Thanks for your interest in representing the U.S. in the first Coed Division at the World Flying Disc Federation's World Ultimate Championships in Blaine, Minnesota on August 15-23, 1998. The deadline for receiving applications to the US team is midnight JUNE 1st. You can EMAIL your application in TEXT format to coedisc@speakeasy.org before midnight June 1st. Send your answers in the body of a message - no attachments, please. Or FAX to (703) 522-8708 Or MAIL to Joey Gray, P.O. Box 85112, Seattle, WA 98145. EMAIL preferred! The US coed team will be chosen by experienced players not playing at Coed Worlds themselves. Selection criteria include gender, geography, playing experience, teamwork, sportsmanship, demonstrated commitment to coed, and service to the sport. You will receive confirmation of your application. The selection committee will make every effort to announce the team before June 20th. You will be responsible for your own transportation, housing, fees, etc. For more information see http://www.worldultimate.org If you know someone who would make a great addition to the team, please encourage him or her to apply. The application can be found at http://www.upa.org/coed/worlds - print copies for your non-wired friends! Thanks again for your interest, and good luck! -------------------------------- RULES for APPLYING 1. There are no "right" or "wrong" answers. 2. Take pity on the selection committee - keep answers SHORT! 3. Don't worry if you can't answer all questions. 4. If you discover you can't play, write coedisc@speakeasy.org ASAP to remove yourself from consideration. 5. Respect the decisions of the hard-working volunteer committee. -------------------------------- CONTACT and PERSONAL INFORMATION Name & Nickname: Email: Phone(s): Mailing Address: Gender: Current state of health/fitness: (optional) Age: (optional) Height/Weight: UPA Member? Citizenship and Residency: The ideal number of players you'd like on the team: Your guess for how many applications we get (win a prize!): PLAYING EXPERIENCE Started playing in (year): Started playing at (location): Tournaments played in 1997: (For each tournament, please list TOURNEY NAME, CITY, YOUR TEAM, and any significant FACTS like Spirit of the Game award or played in Semis/Finals.) Tournaments played in 1998 (so far): (For each tournament, please list TOURNEY NAME, CITY, YOUR TEAM, and any significant FACTS like Spirit of the Game award or played in Semis/Finals.) (Optional) List the same for 1996 if you like: Best/Favorite Zone O position(s), Handler, Wing, Popper or Deep? Best/Favorite Zone D position(s), Chase, Middle Middle, Wing, Short Deep, Deep Deep? Best/Favorite "Person" O position(s), Handler, Middle or Long? Are you considered to be a stronger O or D player? What are your strongest O qualities? What are your strongest D qualities? SERVICE to the SPORT of ULTIMATE, the UPA and/or DISC SPORTS Briefly describe your service to the Sport of Ultimate, the UPA and/or disc sports. Specifically list any volunteer duties, teaching, captaining, hosting events, organizational efforts and other contributions you've made to the sport, at any level, whether through actual positions or informal volunteerism. Why do you do these things? COMMITMENT to COED First coed tournament you played in (city/year): Years played in coed league (where?): Coed events organized/helped with: Do you play on a practicing or traveling coed team? (If so, what team/city?) RANDOM (Pick One. Keep it to a paragraph.) * Describe one highlight of your ultimate career. * What differences/similarities exist between coed and open or women's Ultimate? * What is Spirit of the Game? * Why do you want to play on the US coed team? * Humor: How do you know you play too much Ultimate? REFERENCES List 2 or 3 references (NAME / EMAIL / PHONE). Your references should be people you've played with for at least one coed tournament. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu May 14 02:52:22 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id CAA23453 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 14 May 1998 02:23:21 +0100 (BST) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id CAA23443 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Thu, 14 May 1998 02:23:19 +0100 (BST) Received: from ultimatum.demon.co.uk ([158.152.203.174]) by post.mail.demon.net id ab1025698; 14 May 98 1:21 GMT Subject: Ultimatum web site is up Date: Thu, 14 May 98 02:20:53 +0100 x-sender: ultimatum@pop3.demon.co.uk x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: Paul Hurt <paul@ultimatum.demon.co.uk> To: BritDisc <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Message-ID: <895108863.1025698.1@ultimatum.demon.co.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi all Ultimatum Online is finally up and running for real. The address is: http://www.ultimatum.demon.co.uk New stories will be posted to Ultimatum Online as soon as they're written. These stories will eventually appear in the printed newsletter, but if you want to read them when they're at their freshest, check out the website from time to time. The results pages not only contain results (natch) but also the best of our colour photos (look out for tournaments in the results index that have a "picture" icon next to them). Hope you like it. Comments and suggestions happily received. By the way, if there's any news you know of that ought to be appearing on the site, let me know (you don't have to write the story yourself, unless you particularly want to). Coming soon... * Wall Street Journal publishes Ultimate article * Southern Student League? * Change of TD at Worlds 98 * Paganello World Beach Ultimate report (pics and results already up) If you're writing one of these articles, whenever you're ready, I am too (nudge, wink). Byeeee! Paul --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Hurt Editor, Ultimatum Magazine, London, England editor@ultimatum.demon.co.uk Visit Ultimatum Online... http://www.ultimatum.demon.co.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu May 14 07:55:31 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id HAA11342 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 14 May 1998 07:30:35 +0100 (BST) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id HAA11336 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Thu, 14 May 1998 07:30:33 +0100 (BST) Received: from jimson.demon.co.uk ([212.228.22.128]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa2014048; 14 May 98 6:28 GMT X-Sender: jimson@pop3.demon.co.uk Message-Id: <l03130301b1803ec0ac5b@[212.228.22.128]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 07:28:42 +0100 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: Jim McDonnell <jimbob@jimson.demon.co.uk> Subject: Unsung Ultimatum Online hero... Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Right then you lot - have you seen Ultimatum Online yet? Well go and look. You'll have had the address via Britdisc. Good, innit? Well then make sure you email Paul Hurt and tell him what a marvellous job he's done, etc... And maybe if you *really* enjoyed it, buy him a pint next time you see him?... - Jim McDonnell (Unintentionally patronising and he knows he is...) Jim McDonnell (0181 444 6371) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu May 14 09:10:45 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id IAA18402 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 14 May 1998 08:54:18 +0100 (BST) Received: from gatekeeper.benfieldgreig.com (gatekeeper.benfield.co.uk [193.129.127.221]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA18392 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Thu, 14 May 1998 08:54:15 +0100 (BST) Received: by gatekeeper.benfieldgreig.com; id IAA15362; Thu, 14 May 1998 08:52:06 +0100 (BST) Received: from unknown(194.10.14.28) by gatekeeper.benfieldgreig.com via smap (3.2) id xmaa15348; Thu, 14 May 98 08:51:48 +0100 Received: by BENEXCHANGE with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id <KS6Y5PNR>; Thu, 14 May 1998 08:54:25 +0100 Message-ID: <2C03D53C1CB6D111AC1C00805FEA5AC548AF52@BENEXCHANGE> From: Colin Wagstaff <Colin.Wagstaff@benfieldgreig.com> To: "'Wayne_Retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk'" <Wayne_Retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk>, britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Cc: karl.mann@tnagb.com, merrick.cardew@g4tech.co.uk Subject: RE: British National Team Members Only Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 08:54:23 +0100 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk I enquired in to flights yesterday and there are seats available flying out on the Thursday prior to the tournament and flying back the Thursday afterwards with Icelandic Air. It involves an hour and a half stop over in Rekyavik (spelling???) and a change of plane but it does only cost GBP 531 including tax. Any travel agent should be able to book these flights, however most probably won't be aware that they exist, just hassle them. Good luck, Colin. P.S. Anyone else got any info.? > -----Original Message----- > From: Wayne_Retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk > [SMTP:Wayne_Retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk] > Sent: 13 May 1998 13:41 > To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk > Cc: karl.mann@tnagb.com; merrick.cardew@g4tech.co.uk > Subject: Re: British National Team Members Only > > Following on from Patch's theory of booking flights, anybody got any > plans for > how much time they're planning for Worlds and any associated > pre-/post- > tournament holiday? > > I'm *thinking* of flying out a couple of days early (Wed) to get used > to the > place and the weather, and back anything up to a week later (but from > where?) > > Wayne > > PS: Thomas Cook@Redhill say (today) that Northwest/KLM still have > direct return > flights available from Gatwick to Minneapolis at 543.00 (Mon-Thu) or > 560.00 > (Fri-Sun) + 44.00 tax > > at work: 01737-273611 wayne_retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk > at home: 01737-242109 wayne@phidelta.demon.co.uk > Note: I no longer have a mobile phone number... > ________________________________________________________________ > > Notice of Confidentiality > > This transmission is intended for the named addressee only. > It contains information which may be confidential and which may > also be privileged. > Unless you are the named addressee (or authorised to receive it > for the addressee) you may not copy or use it, or disclose it > to anyone else. If you have received this transmission in error > please contact: > > ~admin@watsonwyatt.co.uk or > > IT Manager: +44(0)1737 241144 > Fax: +44(0)1737 241496 > > > Watson Wyatt Partners is regulated by the Institute of Actuaries > in the conduct of UK investment business. > _________________________________________________________________ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu May 14 10:07:55 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id JAA28938 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 14 May 1998 09:55:09 +0100 (BST) Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (imo19.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.41]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA28925 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Thu, 14 May 1998 09:55:06 +0100 (BST) Received: from JimboMcD@aol.com by imo19.mx.aol.com (IMOv14.1) id LRJHa17533 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Thu, 14 May 1998 04:54:18 -0400 (EDT) From: JimboMcD <JimboMcD@aol.com> Message-ID: <bc9d7c59.355ab13b@aol.com> Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 04:54:18 EDT To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Jim McDonnell (Village) email.. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 168 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi y'all - in case anyone is still trying to use this email address, please note that as of today it will no longer exist. All email should now go to jimbob@jimson.demon.co.uk Thanks - Jim From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu May 14 12:29:08 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id LAA27592 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 14 May 1998 11:57:11 +0100 (BST) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA27558 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Thu, 14 May 1998 11:57:05 +0100 (BST) Received: from ultimatum.demon.co.uk ([158.152.203.174]) by post.mail.demon.net id ab2010540; 14 May 98 10:52 GMT Subject: Re: Unsung Ultimatum Online hero... Date: Thu, 14 May 98 11:52:10 +0100 x-sender: ultimatum@pop3.demon.co.uk x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: Paul Hurt <paul@ultimatum.demon.co.uk> To: BritDisc <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Message-ID: <895143135.2010540.1@ultimatum.demon.co.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk >And maybe if you *really* enjoyed it, buy him a pint next time you see >him?... Better still (or maybe in addition to...?) you could volunteer to write something for us. If you know of any Ultimate-related news we've overlooked, get in touch. Share it with the world. Thanks for the glowing review, Jim! Paul --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Hurt Editor, Ultimatum Magazine, London, England editor@ultimatum.demon.co.uk Visit Ultimatum Online... http://www.ultimatum.demon.co.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu May 14 13:54:59 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id NAA17743 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 14 May 1998 13:28:33 +0100 (BST) Received: from sand.global.net.uk (sand.global.net.uk [194.126.82.9]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA17722 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Thu, 14 May 1998 13:28:30 +0100 (BST) Received: from hebrides (client877e.globalnet.co.uk [194.126.87.126]) by sand.global.net.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id NAA25767; Thu, 14 May 1998 13:28:24 +0100 From: "Richie" <Richie@hebrides.co.uk> To: "britdisc" <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Cc: "Andrew Standring" <andrew_standring@cowley-07.ccmail.compuserve.com> Subject: Monks for Ross-on-wye Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 13:23:26 +0100 Message-ID: <01bd7f33$183c3320$LocalHost@hebrides> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0038_01BD7F3B.7A009B20" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0038_01BD7F3B.7A009B20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Any ex-monks wishing to play Ross this year please contact me, =20 We're out do those SOG from the north! =20 Richie =20 Home: 01993 776969 Mobile: 0468 048108 email: Richie@hebrides.co.uk =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0038_01BD7F3B.7A009B20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD W3 HTML//EN"> <HTML> <HEAD> <META content=3Dtext/html;charset=3Diso-8859-1 = http-equiv=3DContent-Type><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD W3 = HTML//EN"> <META content=3D'"MSHTML 4.71.1712.3"' name=3DGENERATOR> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>Any ex-monks wishing to play Ross this year please = contact=20 me,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>We're out do those SOG from the north!</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>Richie</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>Home: 01993 776969</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>Mobile: 0468 048108</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>email: <A=20 href=3D"mailto:Richie@hebrides.co.uk">Richie@hebrides.co.uk</A></FONT></D= IV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV></BODY></HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_0038_01BD7F3B.7A009B20-- From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri May 15 13:55:44 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id NAA16086 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 15 May 1998 13:35:18 +0100 (BST) Received: from clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@clover-fddi [137.205.4.2]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA24891 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Fri, 15 May 1998 12:03:52 +0100 (BST) Received: from venus.open.ac.uk (venus.open.ac.uk [137.108.143.2]) by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA28250 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Fri, 15 May 1998 10:52:49 +0100 (BST) Received: from edison.open.ac.uk by venus with SMTP Local (MMTA v2.2) with ESMTP; Fri, 15 May 1998 10:11:44 +0100 Received: by edison.open.ac.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id <K7YM04M1>; Fri, 15 May 1998 10:11:41 +0100 Message-ID: <F0A4BEFB2587D011BBF50000F830A0DA011F05F0@edison.open.ac.uk> From: "S.J.Pierson" <S.J.Pierson@open.ac.uk> To: "'BritDisc'" <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Kowpat '98 Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 10:11:39 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: <F0A4BEFB2587D011BBF50000F830A0DA011F05F0@edison.open.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BD7FE9.DB51F190" Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------ =_NextPart_000_01BD7FE9.DB51F190 Content-Type: text/plain > Due to an overwhelming lack of support, Kowpat 98 is now postponed for > the foreseeable future. We do not feel this is due to lack of > organisation or effort on our part. We had built on the experience we > gained from last year's tournament (our first) and made all the > arrangements for all-day bar, booked pitches, venue, etc, but we are > unable to make this event viable without your support. Despite the > fact that several teams said they were coming and promised to pay > deposits, we have only received 4 cheques. This is not on!! If you > want to come to a tournament you should be prepared to cough up in > plenty of time, or alternatively let us know you can't make it. In the > past there have been calls for more non-tour tournaments. It is unfair > to expect people to organise tournaments if teams can't get their act > together to send in a deposit. > > To the teams that have sent in money, thanks for your support and > we're sorry to let you down on this occasion. 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At the moment there are about 4 of us. Thanks Richard (Rav !) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri May 15 14:00:12 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id NAA18302 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 15 May 1998 13:44:37 +0100 (BST) Received: from alpha2.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (alpha2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.2.9]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA15894 for <BRITDISC@CSV.WARWICK.AC.UK>; Fri, 15 May 1998 09:15:43 +0100 (BST) From: JN061@mdx.ac.uk Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V5.1-10 #18910) id <01IX22OWBYVK8X69G4@mdx.ac.uk> for BRITDISC@CSV.WARWICK.AC.UK; Fri, 15 May 1998 09:17:56 BST Received: from mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V5.1-10 #18910) id <01IX22KF5D848XFLFN@mdx.ac.uk> for BRITDISC@CSV.WARWICK.AC.UK; Fri, 15 May 1998 09:17:52 +0100 (BST) Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 09:17:52 +0100 (BST) Subject: Chaos Tournament To: BRITDISC@csv.warwick.ac.uk Message-id: <01IX22KF5E5Y8XFLFN@mdx.ac.uk> X-VMS-To: BRITDISC@CSV.WARWICK.AC.UK MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Could all those teams who expressed interest in the Chaos Tournament on the 30-31 May please contact me to let me know whether or not they're still intending to send teams. Its only a couple of weeks away and if the weather holds out it should be a great weekend. Thanks Jo 'from Chaos' From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri May 15 15:29:44 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id PAA04935 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 15 May 1998 15:15:45 +0100 (BST) Received: from oxmail4.ox.ac.uk (oxmail4.ox.ac.uk [163.1.2.33]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA04926 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Fri, 15 May 1998 15:15:43 +0100 (BST) Received: from ermine.ox.ac.uk by oxmail4 with SMTP (PP) with ESMTP; Fri, 15 May 1998 15:15:36 +0100 Received: from localhost (immd0001@localhost) by ermine.ox.ac.uk (1.1/8.8.3) with SMTP id PAA13092 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Fri, 15 May 1998 15:11:14 +0100 (BST) Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 15:11:14 +0100 (BST) From: Paul Meaney <paul.meaney@molecular-medicine.oxford.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Ex- Sneeekys at Ross'98 Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.95.980515150734.16282D-100000@ermine.ox.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Can the following poeple please get in touch with me by email: Andy Cotgreave (chevy) Jamie Rogers (chevy) Raffi Freire (catch) Will Halliday (catch) Duncan Pocklington (catch) I need your email addresses to try and get this Old Fart thing sorted (which looks like happening, judging by the amount of interest). Paul //////////////////////////////////\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ ****************************************************************************** Kryten: sir, you must forgive Mr Rimmer, he's suffering from a stress- related nervous disorder Lister: Next time I see him he'll be suffering from a fist- related teeth disorder ****************************************************************************** \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\//////////////////////////////////////////// From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri May 15 16:31:33 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id QAA20908 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 15 May 1998 16:14:26 +0100 (BST) Received: from admin.company-net.co.uk (mail.company-net.co.uk [193.129.5.65] (may be forged)) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA25703 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Fri, 15 May 1998 14:24:02 +0100 (BST) Received: by mail.company-net.co.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id <KW7TZ23C>; Fri, 15 May 1998 14:28:35 +0100 Message-ID: <C68F79B67CD6D011A35C0000F822967907BEF8@mail.company-net.co.uk> From: Richard Clegg <richard@company-net.co.uk> To: "'charles.mead@easynet.co.uk'" <charles.mead@easynet.co.uk> Cc: "'britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk'" <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Lost Property From Tour III? Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 14:28:32 +0100 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Charlie (or anybody else), Has there been any lost property found from last weekend? I lost / left behind a dark green water-proof jacket, with a name tag reading 'Emma' sown into it somewhere (it's my girlfriend's). Anybody find it? Thanks in advance, Scuttler (Richard Clegg) Sneeeky's From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri May 15 17:18:37 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id RAA01647 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 15 May 1998 17:03:14 +0100 (BST) Received: from amsta.leeds.ac.uk (amsta.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA01640 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Fri, 15 May 1998 17:03:12 +0100 (BST) Received: from newton.leeds.amsta (newton.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.64]) by amsta.leeds.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA09467; Fri, 15 May 1998 17:04:05 +0100 (BST) Received: by newton.leeds.amsta (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id RAA02981; Fri, 15 May 1998 17:04:01 +0100 Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 17:04:01 +0100 From: amtsjh@amsta.leeds.ac.uk (S J Hill) Message-Id: <199805151604.RAA02981@newton.leeds.amsta> To: amtsjh@amsta.leeds.ac.uk, P.H.Schuricht@soton.ac.uk Subject: Tour 4 entry list Cc: wp296@soton.ac.uk, britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Paul, Will cc Britdisc [I think there is quite a lot of important information in this email - sorry it turned out quite so long.] Here is the situation re-teams for Southampton. It is based on having 28 teams. Firstly, Skunks may have up to two of their own teams in the tournament. But Skunks II must send their deposit to Dora by the closing date. Also, Violently Happy haven't sent their deposit to Dora as yet. I understand that they do intend to come. Assuming that they do enter in time, they will have an automatic place as a result of being in the top 16. The list below is in order of 'qualification', so if either Skunks II or VH does enter, then the bottom teams 'fall off', but then sit at the top of the waiting list. TO ALL TEAMS THAT HAVE ENTERED. If you think you may have problems raising a team please let us know asap. Any team that pulls out in time to be replaced (at no hassle) will not incur the penalties that are set down for teams that withdraw from tour events. The following teams get in to Soton: (I have tried to include the explanation of the system as I go along - if anyone thinks I've made a mistake according to my reasoning or the tour rankings then please let me know!) 1. Skunks (hosts) ------ Teams in Ranking List Top 16: 2. UTI 3. Shotgun 4. Catch 5. Druids 6. Chevron 7. Red I 8. First Touch 9. Headrush 10. Red Shift 11. Sneeeky's 12. BAF 13. MMJanitors 14. GBJun 15. Sharks 16. Village People ------------ Teams in order of payment 17. Strange B 18. Chaos 19. Twin Peaks 20. Jedi C 21. Red II 22. Fingers 6 23. Uriel 24. Slipdisc 25. K-Niggets 26. Superfly 27. Nightfever 28. Mud Culture ------------ Waiting List ------------ 1. Bliss 2. Seattle team 3. Mad Kows 4. Mohawk MM 5. Killer Dump Teams that were relegated from Tour III: One More Touch, Mohawk MM, Killer Dump, Mad Kows. They are placed on the waiting list in the order that they paid their deposits. I expect that after this email: 1. Skunks II and VH will enter. 2. Seattle Team will pull out, as there is no point in planning to come to a tournament that is full. 3. The waiting list will then read: Nightfever, Mud C, Bliss, Mad K, Moh MM, Killer D. Clearly this situation is far from ideal. I have ideas about how to alter the tour in the future to avoid this situation, and also improve on some of the other things that still aren't quite right. This is not the time for all that. Can't apologise enough to the teams that don't get in. Remember: if you play on an unrostered team (eg Bliss) or a rostered team that isn't at a particular tour event, then YOU CAN a) pickup with an unrostered team b) play as the guest on a rostered team (provided that they only have one guest). [Women players who are currently unrostered AND intend to play in the Women's Division at Exeter could roster themselves to a rostered-team for Southampton as it won't affect them at Tour V. Remember that you can't move teams between the end of the Tour and Nationals. Having said that, hopefully there'll be a women's div. at Nationals too.] Si ------------------------ Simon Hill 0113 289 0971 (h) amtsjh@amsta.leeds.ac.uk ------------------------ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sat May 16 11:49:04 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id LAA01034 for britdisc-outgoing; Sat, 16 May 1998 11:36:43 +0100 (BST) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA01028 for <Britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Sat, 16 May 1998 11:36:42 +0100 (BST) Received: from sdc1.demon.co.uk ([194.222.153.201]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa2007738; 16 May 98 10:31 GMT Message-ID: <ADQucAAxmWX1Ew0m@sdc1.demon.co.uk> Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 11:25:53 +0100 To: Mark Jefferson <Mark.Jj@btinternet.com> Cc: "'Britdisc'" <Britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> From: Simon Church <SimonChurch@sdc1.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: WFDF Rules In-Reply-To: <MAPI.Id.0016.0061726b2e4a6a203236373930303132@MAPI.to.RFC822> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Version 3.02 <JoBUiXeP8aqtVi7y8hxjDEPYej> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk In message <MAPI.Id.0016.0061726b2e4a6a203236373930303132@MAPI.to.RFC822 >, Mark Jefferson <Mark.Jj@btinternet.com> writes >Hi Guys > >My rules are about four years out of date and would like to get a 98 edition - >any ideas??? > >Cheers for any bright ideas > Having just arrived back from holiday without any sleep last night, I can reveal that in the pile of junk mail was my awaited copy of the latest printed version of the WFDF rules (10th edition 1997), the plan is to get a copy to each team in due course, but this will take a little time. Anyone wanting a photocopy urgently (GB Women please give me an address to send a copy to) can have one, drop me a line... p.s. This also contains versions of the rules for the other disc sports should anyone really need them (DDC, Guts, Freestyle etc) should anyone be desperate. Simon Church From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon May 18 08:00:41 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id HAA15879 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 18 May 1998 07:47:04 +0100 (BST) Received: from gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (ralf@gem [137.205.227.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA15874 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 18 May 1998 07:47:03 +0100 (BST) Received: (from ralf@localhost) by gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA25878 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Mon, 18 May 1998 07:47:02 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 07:47:02 +0100 (BST) From: Ranulf Doswell <ralf@dcs.warwick.ac.uk> Message-Id: <199805180647.HAA25878@gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: BFDF Events Reminder Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk British Flying Disc Federation Disc Events Diary ------------------------------------------------ The events list can also be found at http://www.dcs.warwick.ac.uk/~ralf/bfdf/ ---------- Thursday 21st May 1998 Rotterdam (4 days) [Outdoor Ultimate Abroad] Saturday 23rd May 1998 Mad Kows KowPat '98 (2 days) @ Open University, Kilton Keynes [Outdoor Ultimate] URL: http://www.mk.dmu.ac.uk/~mstacey/Ultimate/kowpat.htm Space for 16 teams, camping available. Contact Laurie Ritchie Email l.j.ritchie@cranfield.ac.uk URL http://www-cs.open.ac.uk/~martin/pages/Mad_Kows.html Saturday 30th May 1998 Chaos Outdoors (2 days) @ Trent Park, N. London [Outdoor Ultimate] 16 teams. Camping available. Contact Dan Jones Phone 0181 364 1652 Contact Jo Nurney Email JN061@mdx.ac.uk BDGA Golf (2 days) TBC @ Hayling Island, Southampton [Golf] WizOpen '98 (3 days) @ Geneva [Outdoor Ultimate Abroad] URL: http://www.wizards.ch/WizOpen.htm Contact Yves Maumary Email speedy@wizards.ch Saturday 6th June 1998 CAM '98 (2 days) @ Cambridge Rugby Union Club, Grantchester Road, Cambridge [Outdoor Ultimate] URL: http://wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk/ultimate/cam98/ Open and Juniors Contact David MacKay Email mackay@mrao.cam.ac.uk Phone (01223) 339852 fax: 354599 home: 276411 URL http://wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk/mackay/ TD Dora Kemp Address 25 Greystoke Road Cherry Hinton Cambridge. CB1 4DT Comment Email or work phone are best Email dak12@cus.cam.ac.uk Phone 01223 243156 (h) 01223 339336 (w) Fiesta (2 days) TBC [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 13th June 1998 GB Training (Open and Women) (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Quarry Park, Warwickshire [Golf] Sunday 14th June 1998 GB Masters Practice (1 day) TBC [Masters Outdoor Ultimate Practice] Contact David MacKay Email mackay@mrao.cam.ac.uk Phone (01223) 339852 fax: 354599 home: 276411 URL http://wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk/mackay/ Saturday 20th June 1998 Tour IV (2 days) @ Southampton [Outdoor Ultimate] TD Tim Woolford Email tww93si@soton.ac.uk Saturday 27th June 1998 Junior Outdoors (2 days) @ Adam's Grammar School, Newport, Shropshire [Junior Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Rowena Gill Email maths.adamsg@mail.adamsg.rmplc.co.uk Saturday 4th July 1998 GB Training (Open and Women) (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 11th July 1998 Tour V (2 days) @ Double Locks, Exeter [Outdoor Ultimate] TD Kevin Lowe Email kevinl@curved-logic.com Saturday 18th July 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Whitcombe, Dorset [Golf] Date reserved (2 days) Saturday 25th July 1998 GB Training (Open and Women) (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 1st August 1998 Ross-On-Wye (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 8th August 1998 GB Training (Open and Women) (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Friday 14th August 1998 Worlds (10 days) [Outdoor Ultimate Abroad] Saturday 15th August 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Essex University [Golf] Sunday 16th August 1998 DDC Tournament (1 day) [Outdoor DDC] Contact Mark Jefferson Email Mark.Jj@btinternet.com Saturday 22nd August 1998 Something Fun (2 days) @ Hitchin, Herts [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Layout Dreams Email tour2@phidelta.demon.co.uk URL http://www.phidelta.demon.co.uk/ Saturday 29th August 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) TBC @ Perth or Edinburgh [Golf] Friday 11th September 1998 BUF Open (3 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 19th September 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Burnlaw, Horthumberland [Golf] Saturday 26th September 1998 Nationals 98 (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 24th October 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Whitcombe, Dorset [Golf Handicap] ---------------------------------------------------------- British Flying Disc Federation Disc Events Diary http://www.dcs.warwick.ac.uk/~ralf/bfdf/ Ranulf Doswell, ralf@dcs.warwick.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon May 18 09:01:00 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id IAA20898 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 18 May 1998 08:48:49 +0100 (BST) Received: from amsta.leeds.ac.uk (amsta.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA20884 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 18 May 1998 08:48:46 +0100 (BST) Received: from gladys.leeds.amsta (gladys.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.28]) by amsta.leeds.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA20055 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 18 May 1998 08:49:40 +0100 (BST) Received: by gladys.leeds.amsta (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA26841; Mon, 18 May 1998 08:49:24 +0100 Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 08:49:24 +0100 From: amtsjh@amsta.leeds.ac.uk (S J Hill) Message-Id: <9805180749.AA26841@gladys.leeds.amsta> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: foreign teams X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi Rog wrote to me on Friday: > It's a shame there's nothing we can do to allow foreign teams access. > > [...] > > r This is something that I certainly agree with (and I suspect that there are lots of others who feel the same). Problem is this: we have this set of rules to work out which teams get in to the tour events. The events have been extremely popular this year. To make a space for this team from Seattle (and indeed the Pookas who I think would also like to play) would mean chucking out UK teams that followed the tour rules, and might have their qualification to Nationals affected. I don't think there's much to be said about this for this year - but I think are improvements that could be made to the tour for next year that will help with this situation. Si ps - Rog: hope you don't mind me replying via BD. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon May 18 09:28:52 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id JAA24744 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 18 May 1998 09:16:23 +0100 (BST) Received: from [137.205.222.1] (mac-wie-31 [137.205.222.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA24720 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 18 May 1998 09:16:20 +0100 (BST) X-Sender: serai@mail.csv.warwick.ac.uk Message-Id: <l03102802b1859baf6a94@[137.205.222.1]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 09:03:00 +0100 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: Coedisc <coedisc@speakeasy.org> (by way of Dave Neilson) Subject: Coed Worlds (Ultimate): Details! Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hello and Hallo, to a very random list of Ultimate players around the world! This is about the new "Coed" or "Mixed" division of the WORLD ULTIMATE CHAMPIONSHIPS in Minnesota, USA, August 15-23. Coed teams play with at least 3 women and 3 men and the 7th person's gender chosen by the offense. (A 3:4 gender ratio) Please forward this to players in your country who want to play coed at Worlds. EVERYONE is invited to play coed -- national coed teams AND club coed teams. There has been much good discussion about coed, plus some confusion that is natural with a new division. It is so exciting to get mail from players around the world who love coed and are enthusiastic about this year and the future. It is also helpful to receive your thoughtful questions about development of a new division. Thanks everyone! To answer your questions, here is EXACTLY what's happening at Coed Worlds: Club teams and National teams will be playing together in ONE BIG COED DIVISION for most of the week. Coed teams do NOT have to decide now, whether to play in the WFDF World Championship Division or the International Cup All-Comer's Division. Just register, and get excited to play hard and fun all week against coed teams from around the world! Worlds will be a huge FESTIVAL, with amazing fields and amazing spirit. We will celebrate the 30th anniversary of the sport and the debut of a new international division. The beauty is that EVERYONE is invited - national teams AND club teams. For the first year of coed, it is most important that everyone who wants to play gets to play, because we have the luxury of a wonderfully huge and LUSH sports center. :) IF 4 or more TRUE COED NATIONAL TEAMS attend, there will be a WFDF coed Championship at the end of the week. To qualify as a true national team, your team must have AT LEAST 5 women and 7 men (at least 12 total) and follow WFDF eligibility guidelines. Team Canada was announced yesterday, and the United States is in the midst of its coed team selection process. We hope your country will send a national coed team! If you are unsure whether your team qualifies as a CLUB or NATIONAL team, and you want to be eligible for the WFDF Coed Championship, please just explain your situation to WFDF Coed Coordinator, Joey Gray <coedisc@speakeasy.org>, who will consult with you and other WFDF Committee Members to resolve your questions. The Worlds website is http://www.worldultimate.org - Deadlines may be changing: Write nscsport@citilink.com - Right now, you have to be a "member" to see all info (Free, but inconvenient. I hope this changes.) - The coed eligibility rules were too confusing, so this message overrides all info from January. The Sports Center in Minnesota has several people working on Worlds. Holly is the REGISTRAR for club teams AND national teams Her address is: nscsport@citilink.com The WFDF website is http://www.wfdf.org US Players interested in applying for the US Coed Team please visit http://www.upa.org/coed/worlds for the application. The deadline to apply for the US team is June 1. See you in August !! Sincerely, Joey Gray WFDF Coed Coordinator From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon May 18 10:47:21 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id KAA10432 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 18 May 1998 10:33:02 +0100 (BST) Received: from mailhost.dircon.co.uk (mailhost.dircon.co.uk [194.112.50.75]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA10422 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 18 May 1998 10:32:59 +0100 (BST) Received: from [194.112.56.105] (th-eng08-105.pool.dircon.co.uk [194.112.56.105]) by mailhost.dircon.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA21870; Mon, 18 May 1998 10:32:57 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: foreign teams Message-Id: <000000613242978327439@daletaylor.co.uk> From: nolan@daletaylor.co.uk (Nolan Taylor, Dale Taylor Ltd) Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 10:10:39 +0100 Organization: Dale Taylor Ltd X-Mailer: CommuniGate 2.9.8 Reply-To: nolan@daletaylor.co.uk (Nolan Taylor, Dale Taylor Ltd) To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk, amtsjh@amsta.leeds.ac.uk (S J Hill) Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk On Mon, May 18, 1998, 7:49:24 am GMT S J Hill wrote: >Hi > >Rog wrote to me on Friday: > >> It's a shame there's nothing we can do to allow foreign teams access. >> >> [...] >> >> r > >This is something that I certainly agree with (and I suspect that there are >lots >of others who feel the same). > >Problem is this: we have this set of rules to work out which teams get in >to the tour events. The events have been extremely popular this year. To >make a space for this team from Seattle (and indeed the Pookas who I think >would >also like to play) would mean chucking out UK teams that followed the tour >rules, >and might have their qualification to Nationals affected. > >I don't think there's much to be said about this for this year - but I think >are improvements that could be made to the tour for next year that will help >with this situation. > >Si > >ps - Rog: hope you don't mind me replying via BD. > > Please be sure to let these foreign teams know that the British Open is specifically intended to be the answer to this issue of foreign competition, to expand the game here. It's being held from 11th to 13th September this year, here on the south coast, a location that is ideal to entice foreign participation. I trust the BUF will be plugging the Open in a big way, particularly in light of your comments Si. Nolan --------------------------------------- Nolan Taylor Dale Taylor Ltd Email: nolan@daletaylor.co.uk Tel: 01323 430700 Fax: 01323 430223 --------------------------------------- From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon May 18 10:50:12 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id KAA12861 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 18 May 1998 10:45:02 +0100 (BST) Received: from polaris.kbw.co.uk (dns1.kbw.co.uk [193.132.201.37]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA12705 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 18 May 1998 10:44:25 +0100 (BST) Received: by dns1.kbw.co.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <KNQQXQSP>; Mon, 18 May 1998 10:38:49 +0100 Message-ID: <5A12F5E732DDD11181EE00A0C997E63D046113@dns1.kbw.co.uk> From: Roger Thomson <Roger@kbw.co.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: RE: foreign teams Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 10:38:47 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk > I trust the BUF will be plugging the Open in a big way, particularly in > light of your comments Si. > [Roger Thomson] Noone has published it on ED yet (please don't tell me I'm wrong..), which is where all the other big tournaments this summer have been advertised............ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon May 18 11:20:10 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id LAA18232 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 18 May 1998 11:06:59 +0100 (BST) Received: from beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk (beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.129.138]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA18223 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 18 May 1998 11:06:58 +0100 (BST) Received: from bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk (bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.64.201]) by beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.8/relay-02) with SMTP id LAA12974 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 18 May 1998 11:06:56 +0100 (BST) Received: from ecs.soton.ac.uk (stork) by bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk; Mon, 18 May 98 11:03:59 BST Received: (qmail 20588 invoked from network); 18 May 1998 10:06:54 -0000 Received: from tarrant.ecs.soton.ac.uk (wp296@152.78.65.120) by stork.ecs.soton.ac.uk with SMTP; 18 May 1998 10:06:54 -0000 Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 11:06:53 +0100 (BST) From: Will Parker <wp296@ecs.soton.ac.uk> Reply-To: Will Parker <wp296@ecs.soton.ac.uk> To: britdisc <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Tour IV Message-Id: <Pine.LNX.3.96.980518110341.980A-100000@tarrant.ecs.soton.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Tour IV (Southampton) invites will be going out in the next couple of days, so keep your eyes open. In the mean time, you can take a look at www.soton.ac.uk/~frisbee/soton98 for a few details. Payment deadline is 31st May. Will (Skunks) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon May 18 12:56:12 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id MAA08196 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 18 May 1998 12:36:43 +0100 (BST) Received: from shrimp.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (ralf@shrimp [137.205.227.130]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA08186 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 18 May 1998 12:36:39 +0100 (BST) Received: (from ralf@localhost) by shrimp.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA00753 for britdisc@csv; Mon, 18 May 1998 12:36:38 +0100 (BST) From: Ralf <ralf@dcs.warwick.ac.uk> Message-Id: <199805181136.MAA00753@shrimp.dcs.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: BOUNCE britdisc@warwick.ac.uk: Message too long (>40000 chars) (fwd) To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 12:36:38 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL35 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Subject: BOUNCE britdisc@warwick.ac.uk: Message too long (>40000 chars) Message-Id: <199805161044.KAA121748@out5.ibm.net> From: "Toby Green" <gbinet.gree329@pop5.ibm.net> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 11:04:54 +0000 Subject: Invitation for 20th British Disc Golf Open Reply-to: toby.green@ibm.net CC: eurodisc@ira.uka.de Priority: normal READ THIS OR OPEN THE ATTACHED FILE FOR THE FLIER! Eurotour B Event - British Tour A Event On behalf of the British Disc Golf Association and by kind permission of Dr and Mrs JTH Green we are pleased to invite you to: 20th BRITISH OPEN Disc Golf Championship Whitcombe Farm, Beaminster, Dorset =B7 July 18th and 19th, 1998 For the first time Britain's most prestigious tournament comes to Whitcombe - Britain's most challenging courses? Well, what do I know? But it does have two courses of eighteen baskets set over steeply rolling English countryside. And if you've ever spoken to those who've played here, you'll have heard of the Hypotenuse, Goolagong Dip, and the ferocious To the Knoll. Ever thrown a disc across a valley? Well you will at Whitcombe. This event attracts the finest players from Britain and, as part of the Eurotour, will also attract players from Europe and further afield. This is the premier event in the British Disc Golf calendar - you don't want to miss it! Divisions & Tournament Fees Open, Women & Masters £17.00 (£14.00 unwaged) Juniors £10.00 Please register in advance by email to: toby.green@ibm.net or Toby Green, 25 rue des Petits Hotels, 75010 Paris, France (you can use a first class stamp from the UK). Send no money now - all fees will be collected at Players' Registration at the beginning of the tournament. Half the tournament fees are returned to you as prize money! Those registering on the day pay £3.00 supplement! Playing Schedule Friday 17th July The course will be fully prepared for Practice Rounds at any time. 4.30pm random pairs, best-shot, doubles competition. Registration from 4.00pm. Saturday 18th July Registration closes at 9.30 am. Players' Meeting at 9.45 am. Two rounds of 18 holes. 7 pm - DIYBBQ - we provide the fire, you bring your own food. Sunday 19th July Round 3 starts at 9.30 am. Leading 5 players in Open Division play 9 hole final. Accommodation Camping £2.00 per person per night Summer House: £5.00 per person per night. Priority given to players coming from abroad to save them the hassle of bringing camping gear.The Summer House has five beds and enough floor space for a further five or six. If players resident outside the UK want to book a place in the Summer House then please let me know by June 15th. After that date I will accept bookings from UK residents. Volunteers Players wishing to volunteer their services before and during the tournament will be richly rewarded (free tournament entry and some beer!!). I'll be at Whitcombe from the previous weekend so let me know when you are available. To be of help, I really need you either the previous weekend or from Wednesday onwards. Agricultural skills an asset! How to Enter Email: toby.green@ibm.net Snail mail: Toby Green, 25 rue des Petits Hotels, 75010 Paris, France Tel & Fax: +33 1 42 46 41 14 Toby Green 25 rue des Petits Hotels 75010 Paris France +33 1 42 46 41 14 (phone & fax) toby.green@ibm.net ----- End of forwarded message from owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk ----- ____ ____ _ _ ____ .----------------------------------------. _\__ \ _\__ \ / \ / \\__/ | Ranulf Doswell | / \_/ /_ / \_/ \ / / / /___ | Department of Computer Science | \ __ \\ __ \\ \ _\ \\_/ |University of Warwick, COVENTRY, CV4 7AL| \ \ \ \\ \ \ \\ \__/ \\ \ | Phone: 01203 523296 Fax: 01203 525714 | \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \______/ \_/ `----------------------------------------' From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon May 18 13:21:13 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id NAA15271 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 18 May 1998 13:07:01 +0100 (BST) Received: from maggiore.dsnet.it (maggiore.dsnet.it [195.32.0.15]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA15248 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 18 May 1998 13:06:55 +0100 (BST) Received: (qmail 15704 invoked from network); 18 May 1998 12:06:52 -0000 Received: from pppdin29.dsnet.it (HELO mailbox.dsnet.it) (195.250.230.226) by maggiore.dsnet.it with SMTP; 18 May 1998 12:06:52 -0000 Message-ID: <35601C0F.5B6D9D29@mailbox.dsnet.it> Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 13:31:27 +0200 From: Peldi <peldi@maggiore.dsnet.it> Reply-To: peldi@maggiore.dsnet.it X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc To: eurodisc <eurodisc@ira.uka.de>, Itadisc Ita: <guilizzo@cs.unibo.it>, britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: The NEW Ultilinks! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Presenting... ULTILINKS - THE ULTIMATE STARTING POINT a new look for a new millennium http://cs.unibo.it/~guilizzo/ultilinks/ It took humanity 2000 years to get to the third millennium, it took only three months for Ultilinks to get 2000 visitors (1000 in the last month alone). To celebrate the 2000th hit, I gave Ultilinks a new, colorful make up. The ultimate related links are now 272: 168 team links (110 Open, 13 women, plus city leagues, etc.): 24 countries represented: Germany (34 links), Great Britain (29), USA (25), Sweden (11), Netherland (10), Finland (9), Switzerland (8), Italy (7), New Zealand (6), Canada (5), France (4), Australia (4), Denmark (3), Republic of Korea (2), Belgium (2), Norway (2), Costa Rica (1), Hungary (1), Honk Kong, ROC (1), Austria (1), Czeck Republic (1), Singapore (1), Portugal (1), Venezuela (1). The reason why there are only 25 USA links is that the UPA has its own big links page, therefore I will only add those American teams who porpousely ask me to. The other Ultilinks sections are: - UPCOMING TOURNAMENTS, 17 links - FEDERATIONS, 16 links - BEACH ULTIMATE, 4 links NEW! - EDUCATIONAL, 22 links - USEFUL STUFF, 9 links - ONLINE SHOPS, 8 links - MAGAZINES & ARTICLES, 13 links - FUN STUFF, 15 links Ultlinks offers FREE BANNER ADVERTISING: with its 20+ visitors a day, it is the best place to advertise your TOURNAMENT, or team, or magazine, or even online shop. Just go to Ultilinks and see how easy it is. So if you wonder what is going on in Europe in the next few months, or if you want to see a polar bear jumping for a disc, if you want to read the Wall Street Journal article about referees in Ultimate, want to check out the brand new Discraft site, need a disc bibliography, want to buy Ultimate gear, or even have some time to spare and want to visit some randomly picked teams pages around the world, Ultilinks http://cs.unibo.it/~guilizzo/ultilinks/ is the place to start from, because it's THE ULTIMATE STARTING POINT. So, I would like to thank all the people who made Ultilinks a success. I will keep Ultilinks updated just for you! Ciao, Peldi NOTE: although optimized for Netscape 4, Ultilinks will work fine on any java & javascript enabled browser, such as Netscape Navigator 3 and later, Internet Explorer 3 and later, Opera, etc. The page is getting heavier to load (74 Kb), but that's only because the number of linked pages is growing by the minute. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue May 19 12:33:21 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id MAA23690 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 19 May 1998 12:14:20 +0100 (BST) Received: from pp.dundee.ac.uk (pp.dundee.ac.uk [134.36.2.60]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA23669 for <Britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Tue, 19 May 1998 12:14:16 +0100 (BST) Received: from medschool.dundee.ac.uk by pp.dundee.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Tue, 19 May 1998 12:16:35 +0100 Received: from MEDSCHOOL/SpoolDir by medschool.dundee.ac.uk (Mercury 1.40); 19 May 98 12:13:10 BST Received: from SpoolDir by MEDSCHOOL (Mercury 1.40); 19 May 98 12:12:55 BST From: David Knight <D.S.KNIGHT@dundee.ac.uk> Organization: Dundee University To: Britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 12:12:48 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: e-mail messages In-reply-to: <354F4F5E.7D62@dial.pipex.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.54) Message-ID: <B2B0B613FC4@medschool.dundee.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Please could you remove this e-mail address from your mailing list. Cheers. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue May 19 16:48:52 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id QAA05160 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 19 May 1998 16:30:59 +0100 (BST) Received: from caged.st-andrews.ac.uk (root@caged.st-and.ac.uk [138.251.34.40]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA05144 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Tue, 19 May 1998 16:30:54 +0100 (BST) Received: from purds.st-andrews.ac.uk (jpg2@purds [138.251.34.20]) by caged.st-andrews.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA12854 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Tue, 19 May 1998 16:30:46 +0100 (BST) Received: from localhost (jpg2@localhost) by purds.st-andrews.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA09236 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Tue, 19 May 1998 16:30:38 +0100 (BST) Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 16:30:38 +0100 (BST) From: Big Funky <jpg2@st-andrews.ac.uk> X-Sender: jpg2@st-andrews.ac.uk To: BritDisc <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Charlie Meads Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.96.980519162710.8547A-100000@purds> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Sorry to the rest of Britain but could Charlie Meads please contact me so that I have his address for helping him organise World Clubs next summer - that is if he requires our rather lackluster organisational skills. Failing that if you'll be at Southampton or Exeter you could give it to me there (WAHEY!). Sorry to the rest again, cheers Jon Good aka 'Big Funky' of 'Funkian' and 'More than just a Hint' aka 'Frank LeBoeuf' of 'Blue Arse Flies' D.O.P.A. S.A.U. (underground) Wine Soc. Captain S.A.U.U.F.C. - Flying Sorcerers M.S.R. Hamilton Hall World of Crack! My best friend Dan Barrett is continually depressed so cheer him up! e-mail him on: daniel.barret@ucl.ac.uk "You say we had some good times together, but I was so drunk and I can't remember" From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue May 19 17:43:06 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id RAA16861 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 19 May 1998 17:28:33 +0100 (BST) Received: from renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk (renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk [129.215.13.3]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA16841 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Tue, 19 May 1998 17:28:29 +0100 (BST) From: 9525221@eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk Received: from eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk (eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk [129.215.13.1]) by renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA09937; Tue, 19 May 1998 17:28:28 +0100 (BST) Received: from SMS-EIGG/SpoolDir by eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk (Mercury 1.31); 19 May 98 17:28:29 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by SMS-EIGG (Mercury 1.31); 19 May 98 17:28:14 +0000 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk, amtsjh@amsta.leeds.ac.uk (S J Hill) Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 17:33:37 +0000 Subject: Women's Ultimate in Scotland X-mailer: Pegasus Mail/Mac (v2.2.1) Message-ID: <3DC5E2F5F45@eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hello! Regarding the on-going discussions about women's ultimate we thought that we should let people know what we here in Scotland are trying to achieve. Our aim is to form a Scottish women's squad bringing together players of all standards to train and practice at least once a month. This idea has been formulated since the introduction of women's tournaments in Britain and the positive experience gained by playing in them (Thanks to Sue and Tara). The reason's behind the Scottish women's squad are as follows: - not many of us can afford the time and especially money to travel to even the most northerly of GB women's practices. - to bring together women ultimate players in Scotland to improve our game and increase our confidence. - to prevent new players leaving if they find the mixed game intimidating and frustrating.If we want to keep them playing it has to be a rewarding experience for them, and women's ultimate improves their game and while increasing their confidence so that they contribute far more in the mixed game. This can only be good for Ultimate in the long-run. When we first began Sneeeky's womens practices in Edinburgh a year ago there were only about 4 of us, but we persevered - and now we have a weekly practice which is taken by an experienced women player and consists of drills and a 4 or 5 aside game. A Scottish squad seems like the next logical step. We are not by any means turning our backs on the mixed game - the majority of games we play are mixed but women's ultimate has made the this far more enjoyable. In terms of tournaments, it will be interesting to see how the women's division at tour V goes and what implications it will have for next season. In our experience, despite much support and enthusiasm for women's tournie's I don't think that we could get together a women's squad of Sneeeky's players to many tournaments if a seperate league was created. It seems that a possible solution to the problem of getting women players into the tour is to take it in stages and make a seperate co-ed league to run concurrently with the tour rather that just a women's league. This would ensure that those women who wish to take their Ultimate to the highest level would have the opportunity. There is no doubt that something needs to change - but in these early stages seperating the women's game would seem a bit premature. Let's encourage women's practices in the universities, enjoy the tournaments that already exist for women and concentrate on the seeing more co-ed tournaments. Here at Sneeeky's we are discussing plans to host a co-ed tournie in 1st term of next year - hope to see you all supporting it. Emma and Mary-Claire (Sneeeky's) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue May 19 20:10:08 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id UAA11116 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 19 May 1998 20:00:29 +0100 (BST) Received: from out4.ibm.net (out4.ibm.net [165.87.194.239]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA11103 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Tue, 19 May 1998 20:00:19 +0100 (BST) Received: from crmqtsve (slip139-92-73-102.pa.fr.ibm.net [139.92.73.102]) by out4.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA116766 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Tue, 19 May 1998 19:00:08 GMT Message-Id: <199805191900.TAA116766@out4.ibm.net> From: "Toby Green" <gbinet.gree329@pop5.ibm.net> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 19:21:19 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Invitation for 20th British Disc Golf Open Reply-to: toby.green@ibm.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-printable to 8bit by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id UAA11112 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk READ THIS OR OPEN THE ATTACHED FILE FOR THE FLIER! 20th BRITISH OPEN Disc Golf Championship Whitcombe Farm, Beaminster, Dorset · July 18th and 19th, 1998 For the first time Britain's most prestigious tournament comes to Whitcombe - Britain's most challenging courses? Well, what do I know? This is the premier event in the British Disc Golf calendar - you don't want to miss it! Divisions & Tournament Fees Open, Women & Masters £17.00 (£14.00 unwaged) Juniors £10.00 Entries on the day: £3.00 supplement!! Playing Schedule Friday 17th July The course will be fully prepared for Practice. 4.30pm random pairs, best-shot, doubles competition. Registration from 4.00pm. Saturday 18th July Registration closes at 9.30 am. Players' Meeting at 9.45 am. Two rounds of 18 holes. 7 pm - DIYBBQ - we provide the fire, you bring your own food. Sunday 19th July Round 3 starts at 9.30 am. Leading 5 players in Open Division play 9 hole final. Accommodation Camping £2.00 per person per night Summer House: £5.00 per person per night. Priority given to players coming from abroad to save them the hassle of bringing camping gear. I will accept bookings from UK residents after June 15th. Volunteers Players wishing to volunteer their services before and during the tournament will be richly rewarded (free tournament entry and some beer!!). I'll be at Whitcombe from the previous weekend so let me know when you are available. To be of help, I really need you either the previous weekend or from Wednesday onwards. Agricultural skills an asset! How to Enter Email: toby.green@ibm.net Snail mail: Toby Green, 25 rue des Petits Hotels, 75010 Paris, France Tel & Fax: +33 1 42 46 41 14 Attachments: C:\My Documents\Whitcombe\20th British Open.doc Toby Green 25 rue des Petits Hotels 75010 Paris France +33 1 42 46 41 14 (phone & fax) toby.green@ibm.net From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue May 19 22:42:22 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id WAA28892 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 19 May 1998 22:24:38 +0100 (BST) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA28882 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Tue, 19 May 1998 22:24:34 +0100 (BST) Received: from phidelta.demon.co.uk ([158.152.248.177]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa1001437; 19 May 98 21:21 GMT Message-ID: <A0EpRLAudfY1Ew$T@phidelta.demon.co.uk> Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 22:19:42 +0100 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: Wayne Retter <wayne@phidelta.demon.co.uk> Subject: Masters? Practice? at Warwick? In-Reply-To: <Pine.SOL.3.95.980511121739.17590B-100000@crocus> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Trial Version 3.04 <pjZRgFWDsQK5ViyP$l4rxVrb6a> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk I hear rumbles of doubt as to whether GB will be sending a Masters team to Worlds (Minneapolis) this year... I know that the distance and expense seem great, and that there are now more demands on our Masters' time (work, wives, babies), but there seem to be a keen few struggling on in the hope that their fellows will find sudden inspiration and join them... If this is to happen, it needs to do so damn quick - it's not so long until the registration deadline. If not, a firm decision needs to be made before anyone goes out and books flights and later finds them wasted. and maybe a plan for Europeans99 and/or World Clubs should be instigated... Wayne - not old enough to be a master, yet! - pissed off 'cos 16 teams won't commit to a tournament in Milton Keynes, and 16 people won't commit to a team for WORLDS! - going to Rotterdam to avoid any flak this causes PS: I KNOW that some of you have valid reasons, but many seem to be fielding excuses... ---------------------------------------------------------------- Wayne Retter at home: 01737-242109 wayne@phidelta.demon.co.uk at work: 01737-273611 wayne_retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed May 20 01:09:47 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id AAA16897 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 20 May 1998 00:58:17 +0100 (BST) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA16888 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Wed, 20 May 1998 00:58:14 +0100 (BST) Received: from ([158.152.203.174]) [158.152.203.174] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0ybwGr-0006yb-00; Wed, 20 May 1998 00:58:14 +0100 Subject: LUS is still on this Thursday Date: Wed, 20 May 98 00:58:17 +0100 x-sender: ultimatum@pop3.demon.co.uk x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: Paul Hurt <paul@ultimatum.demon.co.uk> To: "BritDisc" <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Message-Id: <E0ybwGr-0006yb-00@post.mail.demon.net> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Londoners... Just to confirm that LUS is still on at Clapham Common tomorrow night, despite loads of people rushing off to Rotterdam (I'm jealous, but a bit too broke to go). Last week went really well, by the way. Excellent fun (turnout of about 23 people) - not too serious yet as the league hasn't started. Much beer drunk too. If you haven't registered with Neil yet for the league, please do so now - he'll start picking teams as soon as he gets back. And we could do with a few more on the list. Visit http://www.kbw.co.uk/shotgun/lus/index.htm for more details. Thanks. See you Thursday. And have fun everyone going to R'dam. Paul --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Hurt Editor, Ultimatum Magazine, London, England editor@ultimatum.demon.co.uk Visit Ultimatum Online... http://www.ultimatum.demon.co.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed May 20 10:45:42 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id KAA09197 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 20 May 1998 10:41:41 +0100 (BST) Received: from beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk (beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.129.138]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA09115 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Wed, 20 May 1998 10:41:27 +0100 (BST) Received: from bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk (bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.64.201]) by beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.8/relay-02) with SMTP id KAA19748 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Wed, 20 May 1998 10:41:24 +0100 (BST) Received: from ecs.soton.ac.uk (stork) by bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk; Wed, 20 May 98 10:38:26 BST Received: (qmail 8245 invoked from network); 20 May 1998 09:41:21 -0000 Received: from tarrant.ecs.soton.ac.uk (wp296@152.78.65.120) by stork.ecs.soton.ac.uk with SMTP; 20 May 1998 09:41:21 -0000 Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 10:41:20 +0100 (BST) From: Will Parker <wp296@ecs.soton.ac.uk> Reply-To: Will Parker <wp296@ecs.soton.ac.uk> To: britdisc <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: TOUR 4 invites Message-Id: <Pine.LNX.3.96.980520102544.31833E-200000@tarrant.ecs.soton.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="1318615105-1827691962-895657280=:31833" Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info. --1318615105-1827691962-895657280=:31833 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII To everyone coming to Tour 4, The invites were mailed yesterday, first class, so you should get them today or tomorrow. There is a couple of things I want to add: 1) The event is at Wellington sports ground,Stoneham Lane, just of J5 of the M27. I didn't actually say this anywhere on the invite, although the ground is marked on the map I sent out. Better directions are on the web page (plus a copy of the map I sent will hopefully be there within a week). 2) Friday night camping is available at the pitches if anyone wants it. If you do want to camp, could you please e-mail me the time you intend to arrive, so I can arrange for someone to be at Welly to meet you. 3) Don't forget, if you are on the waiting list, or are likely to drop down to it (Nightfever, Mud Culture), do not send any money. I only sent the invite for your information, in case anyone drops out. Also, I couldn't get contact details for Mild Mannered Janitors, GB Juniors and Slipdisc, so your invites are still in my hands. Please could someone give me details of where to send these. 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MacKay) To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: upcoming tournaments, wfdf rules, and gb masters Cc: dak12@cus.cam.ac.uk, mackay@mrao.cam.ac.uk Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Dear Britdisc, this is a follow-up to Wayne's message about the disappointment of cancelled tournaments and small Masters squads. Also I found out about the 1998 WFDF rules. (1) Tournments. As you hopefully know by now, there are TWO tournaments on June 6-7, the CAM98 tournament in Cambridge and the Fiesta nr. Bristol. CAM98 will have both a junior division and an open division. We have booked 11 pitches, and we would like to have 28 teams come. Please please please make sure that your team goes to at least one of CAM98 and Fiesta. They are both expected to be excellent tournaments in beautiful locations. If you don't, as Wayne indicated, there will be great reluctance on the part of volunteers to organise future non-tour tournaments! CAM98 information is at http://wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk/ultimate/cam98/ and the contact is Dora. (2) 1998 WFDF rules are identical to 1996, says Charlie Mead. You can find the rules at www.wfdf.org. (3) GB Masters. As Wayne said, *now* is the time for all old farts to get out of their slippers and think about joining the GB squad. We need another 5 or so in order to send a team to the Worlds. We will be going to the chaos tournament 30-31 May, and invite anyone who is remotely interested to please join our team there. The final decision about entering a team will be made that weekend. Please contact Neil Travers or me. Please pass this message on to any old dears who are not connected to britdisc. GBM info is at http://wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk/ultimate/gbm/ Yours, David ps Register for CAM98 or Fiesta NOW! -------------------------------------------------------------------------- David J.C. MacKay email: mackay@mrao.cam.ac.uk www: http://wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk/mackay/ Cavendish Laboratory, tel: (01223) 339852 fax: 354599 home: 740511 Madingley Road, international code: +44 1223 Cambridge CB3 0HE. U.K. room: 961 Rutherford Building ---------note NEW home phone number, 740511, or x40511 from Univ. network From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed May 20 11:25:00 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id LAA16163 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 20 May 1998 11:07:45 +0100 (BST) Received: from exeter.ac.uk (hermes.ex.ac.uk [144.173.6.14]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA16139 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Wed, 20 May 1998 11:07:42 +0100 (BST) Received: from sc187 [144.173.86.187] by hermes via SMTP (LAA15638); Wed, 20 May 1998 11:07:34 +0100 (BST) From: Sue Farley <S.M.Farley@exeter.ac.uk> Reply-To: S.M.Farley@exeter.ac.uk To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Exeter Hat Tournament Message-ID: <SIMEON.9805201117.A@MSTL.ex.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 11:08:17 +0100 (BST) Read-Receipt-To: Sue Farley <S.M.Farley@exeter.ac.uk> Disposition-Notification-To: Sue Farley <S.M.Farley@exeter.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Simeon for Win32 Version 4.1.2 Build (29) X-Authentication: IMSP MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Thanks to everyone who replied to my last e-mail about the possibility of having an Exeter hat this season. The hat tournament WILL be on the weekend of the 27/28th June 1998. It will be similar format of last year. ie, we have four pitches booked and am confirming staying at Double Locks overnight. If anyone has any personal ideas of where the profit of the tournament could be given please let me know. The cost will be 5 pounds to enter. If you would like to come to the tournament, please send me a cheque payable to Uriel Ultimate for 5 pounds together with you name and contact details. On the Monday following the tournament we are planning to go paintballing, so if you do not have to rush back you are very welcome to join us (more details later) Anyway, I hope you see you all in Exeter over the last weekend in June. E-mail is the best way to get hold of me, if you phone, please do so after the 9th June. Take Care Sue Uriel Ulitmate -------------- Sue Farley 8 Jubilee Road Exeter EX1 2HU 01392 493127 ma95smf@exeter.ac.uk University of Exeter From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed May 20 13:48:17 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id NAA17726 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 20 May 1998 13:23:31 +0100 (BST) Received: from alpha2.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (alpha2.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.2.9]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA17703 for <BRITDISC@CSV.WARWICK.AC.UK>; Wed, 20 May 1998 13:23:24 +0100 (BST) From: JN061@mdx.ac.uk Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V5.1-10 #18910) id <01IX9ARHUJJ48XHBI3@mdx.ac.uk> for BRITDISC@CSV.WARWICK.AC.UK; Wed, 20 May 1998 13:24:56 BST Received: from mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V5.1-10 #18910) id <01IX9AQJRYPI8XFWVV@mdx.ac.uk> for BRITDISC@CSV.WARWICK.AC.UK; Wed, 20 May 1998 13:24:25 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 13:24:24 +0100 (BST) To: BRITDISC@csv.warwick.ac.uk Message-id: <01IX9AQJRYPK8XFWVV@mdx.ac.uk> X-VMS-To: BRITDISC@CSV.WARWICK.AC.UK MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk would someone from the team Northern Lights please get in contact with me. Thank you Jo 'from Chaos' From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed May 20 15:18:56 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id OAA07615 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 20 May 1998 14:56:42 +0100 (BST) Received: from shrimp.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (ralf@shrimp [137.205.227.130]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA07604 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Wed, 20 May 1998 14:56:40 +0100 (BST) Received: (from ralf@localhost) by shrimp.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA05797 for britdisc@csv; Wed, 20 May 1998 14:56:39 +0100 (BST) From: Ralf <ralf@dcs.warwick.ac.uk> Message-Id: <199805201356.OAA05797@shrimp.dcs.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: BDGA Website [fwd] To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 14:56:39 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL35 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk ----- Forwarded message from owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk ----- Subject: BOUNCE britdisc@warwick.ac.uk: Header field too long (>1024) The BDGA website www.ultimateweb.co.uk/bdga/ has just been updated, with all of last year's tour results, and as much information about this year's results as I've got so far. No tour ranking points yet, Derek's still sorting that out. If any body has the Bristol results, I'd appreciate getting a copy. Any additions, corrections, or complaints to richard@company-net.co.uk Thanks, Richard Clegg. ----- End of forwarded message from owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk ----- ____ ____ _ _ ____ .----------------------------------------. _\__ \ _\__ \ / \ / \\__/ | Ranulf Doswell | / \_/ /_ / \_/ \ / / / /___ | Department of Computer Science | \ __ \\ __ \\ \ _\ \\_/ |University of Warwick, COVENTRY, CV4 7AL| \ \ \ \\ \ \ \\ \__/ \\ \ | Phone: 01203 523296 Fax: 01203 525714 | \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \______/ \_/ `----------------------------------------' From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed May 20 19:11:10 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id SAA25294 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 20 May 1998 18:50:40 +0100 (BST) Received: from artemis.le.ac.uk (artemis.le.ac.uk [143.210.16.126]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA25242 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Wed, 20 May 1998 18:50:29 +0100 (BST) Received: from harrier.le.ac.uk ([143.210.8.56]) by artemis.le.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk id 0ycD2k-0006sT-00; Wed, 20 May 1998 18:52:46 +0100 Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 18:49:14 +0100 (BST) From: "B. Ravilious" <br5@leicester.ac.uk> X-Sender: br5@harrier To: Britdisc <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Summer Ultimate in the Midlands Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.96.980520183657.20874D-100000@harrier> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi. Red are running a 5-a-side summer league starting mid to late June. We have had lots of interest from teams and players in the Midlands area (Milton Keynes, Loughborough, Coventry to name a few). Maybe you live in the region or maybe you're a student going back to your parents' home for summer, whatever. Give me a shout if you could make it to Leicester on a weekday evening (probably Tuesdays) for a month or so this summer. Lazy summer evenings of beer and frisbees await you.... Ben Minister of Propaganda Red Leicester PS those who already expressed an interest - please give me your home addresses if you're not on email over the summer. Ta. ================================================================================ Ben Ravilious, (0116) 2559638 home br5@le.ac.uk (0116) 2525824 work ORACLE Trial Playing Ultimate for RED University of Leicester www.ultimateweb.co.uk/red/ ================================================================================ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed May 20 19:11:19 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id SAA25884 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 20 May 1998 18:54:33 +0100 (BST) Received: from praseodumium.btinternet.com (praseodumium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.82]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA25805 for <Britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Wed, 20 May 1998 18:53:39 +0100 (BST) Received: from btinternet.com [195.99.48.17] by praseodumium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 1.70 #1) id 0ycD25-0001yL-00; Wed, 20 May 1998 18:52:05 +0100 Message-ID: <MAPI.Id.0016.0061726b2e4a6a203035394330303031@MAPI.to.RFC822> To: "'Britdisc'" <Britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mark Jefferson <Mark.Jj@btinternet.com> Subject: DDC Tournie, entry forms Date: Wed, 20 May 98 17:52:58 +0100 ( + ) Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="895683277=_Mail_OnNet2_=181207081" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Your mail reader is not using the MIME attachment standard. To read all of this message, use a MIME V1.0 compliant reader. Some parts of this message may be in a human readable form. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- --895683277=_Mail_OnNet2_=181207081 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi everyone Attached is the entry form for the DDC tournie this August. Coulpe of = things to note - it's been moved forward one week to accomodate golfers, sorry to all GB types who'll be busy playing Ultimate= . It's your own fault for being too good, anyway. Also, will summarise infor below incase you are unable to open word documents = (that's the format of the entry.) FORMAT: The tournie will be a one day event, hopefully to be held at Warwick Uni = on Sunday 9th August. Entry will be #5.00 per team (pair, duo, double act - whatever you want to call them.) The closing = date for receipt of entries has been set for June 5th. This gives you two weeks - plenty of time to declare interest. At this point = I can either confirm or cancell the event, depending on interest. Cheques will not be cashed until confirmation. The actual for= mat cannot, obviously, be decided until that point but something along the lines of those reccommended in the WFDF rules will = be (time permitting) adopted. RULES: This is intended for beginners and experts alike, and will be a relaxed, = informal competition. To this end I am looking into variations on the rules which will allow for a certain flexibility. What= ever the rules decided upon, they will be provided for each pair in advance of the competition so that they may become familiar with = them. ENTRY: To enter, find yourself a partner and complete the attached entry form. = If you are unable to open this, please send cheques for #5.00 made payable to "Mark Jefferson" to my work address: Professional = Assistant, Stantonbury Campus, Milton Keynes, MK14 6BN. If you can't get a partner you are free to enter alone and pick up, but = you still need to enter officially so that I know numbers. Half the amount to the same address should do. If there are an even numb= ers of singles then great, otherwise I'll play (so you see, it's a much better option to get your own partner.) I think that's everything, but know doubt I will have missed off somethin= g major, like where it is or something. I look forward to getting your entries, and will be in touch again in a few weeks. Oh, by = the way, in the unlikely event that there are too many entries to schedule, I will enter teams in order of receipt of fees, so = better hurry..... 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AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA5Az2CQEABAACAAEA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAsASwBA4ABAH4E AAB+BAAACQAzADMAfgQAAAAAAAB+BAAAVwAVFpABAABUaW1lcyBOZXcgUm9tYW4ADBaQAQIA U3ltYm9sAAsmkAEAAEFyaWFsABgWLAEAAEZvb3RsaWdodCBNVCBMaWdodAAMVpABAABDcmVl cHkAIgAEAAEIiRgAANACAABoAQAAAABLoyVmUKMlZk+jJWYDAAUAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAQAgxAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMEiTgAAABBXSElQTEFTSCBQUkVTRU5U AAAAFU1pY3Jvc29mdCBDb3Jwb3JhdGlvbhVNaWNyb3NvZnQgQ29ycG9yYXRpb24AAAAAAAAA AAAA0M8R4KGxGuEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAOwADAP7/CQAGAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABAAAAAQAA AAAAAAAAEAAAAgAAAAEAAAD+////AAAAAAA= --895683277=_Mail_OnNet2_=181207081-- From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed May 20 19:15:34 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id TAA28746 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 20 May 1998 19:11:20 +0100 (BST) Received: from rhenium.btinternet.com (cerium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.93] (may be forged)) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA28728 for <Britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Wed, 20 May 1998 19:11:16 +0100 (BST) Received: from btinternet.com [195.99.48.90] by rhenium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 1.70 #1) id 0ycDJw-0006YT-00; Wed, 20 May 1998 19:10:33 +0100 Message-ID: <MAPI.Id.0016.0061726b2e4a6a203045343430303136@MAPI.to.RFC822> To: "'Britdisc'" <Britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mark Jefferson <Mark.Jj@btinternet.com> Subject: FAO Chris Hughes Date: Wed, 20 May 98 18:10:59 +0100 ( + ) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id TAA28729 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Sorry to everyone else..... Chris Sent a message to you nearly two weeks ago, and as you're normally quite prompt in responding, I can only assume you didn't get it. Could you please get in touch so I can write to you again? Cheers Mark Jefferson Whiplash 14 Troutbeck Peartree Bridge Milton Keynes MK6 3ED 01908 666573 Mark.JJ@btinternet.com From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu May 21 01:13:51 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id AAA12512 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 21 May 1998 00:59:10 +0100 (BST) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA12489 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Thu, 21 May 1998 00:58:59 +0100 (BST) Received: from ultimatum.demon.co.uk ([158.152.203.174]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa1014663; 20 May 98 23:53 GMT Subject: Time Out magazine - oh dear Date: Thu, 21 May 98 00:53:59 +0100 x-sender: ultimatum@pop3.demon.co.uk x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: Paul Hurt <paul@ultimatum.demon.co.uk> To: BritDisc <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Message-ID: <895708434.1014663.0@ultimatum.demon.co.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Any publicity is good publicity? Sometimes I'm not so sure... There's a half-page article on page 6 of this week's London edition of Time Out. Headline: "Stop this Frisbee madness". Picture of a rifle sight, with the cross-hairs smack on a guy with a frisbee (okay, he does have a dog which is catching a disc, so maybe it's fair enough...) Apparently, staff writer Peter Paphides was "doing some research on the history of the frisbee" and discovered that Ultimate was invented at Harvard (?) as a frisbee-based version of golf (!?). He goes on: "Ultimate even has it's own course - 18 five-foot poles with a basket situated halfway up each one." And in Sweden "there's even a national team." (??!!) You'll just love the last paragraph. Apparently, frisbee players are "all idiots" who "hog vast expanses of grass that might otherwise be used for something with a point to it." I might approach Time Out to see if I too can get a job writing on subjects I know nothing about. It looks easy. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Hurt Editor, Ultimatum Magazine, London, England editor@ultimatum.demon.co.uk Visit Ultimatum Online... http://www.ultimatum.demon.co.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu May 21 09:57:31 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id JAA16550 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 21 May 1998 09:38:07 +0100 (BST) Received: from framestore.sohonet.co.uk (framestore1.sohonet.co.uk [193.203.80.44] (may be forged)) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA16541 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Thu, 21 May 1998 09:38:04 +0100 (BST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by framestore.sohonet.co.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id JAA06975 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Thu, 21 May 1998 09:37:18 +0100 (BST) Received: from london.fs.local( 192.168.2.150) by framestore.sohonet.co.uk via smap (V2.0) id xma006973; Thu, 21 May 98 09:37:13 +0100 Received: from framestore.co.uk (engpc2.fs.local [192.168.1.23]) by london.fs.local (Netscape Messaging Server 3.0) with ESMTP id AAA12581 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Thu, 21 May 1998 09:37:12 +0100 Message-ID: <3563E7A9.92C34AA0@framestore.co.uk> Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 09:36:57 +0100 From: "Sean Holden" <sean.holden@framestore.co.uk> Organization: framestore X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: britdisc <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Time Out magazine - oh dear Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk ha ha ha ha!!! Just read said article. I quite liked the first paragraph myself, particularly 'when I was doing some research'. A great demonstration of journalism research. Maybe Paul should try and write next weeks article 'stop this journalism madness'. Mind you, shouldn't have a go at him too much, he did find out that Sweden have a national team and that we use vast expanses of grass. That must provide him with a 1% accuracy. I do feel though that the grass thing was an accident because discgolf also uses this. As for the last sentence, this is probably the most incorrect sentence in the whole article. I feel this should be changed from 'That's just wrong' to 'I'm just wrong' Sean From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu May 21 11:05:40 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id KAA01012 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 21 May 1998 10:51:31 +0100 (BST) Received: from bbnrel4.hp.com (bbnrel4.hp.com [155.208.254.68] (may be forged)) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA00987 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Thu, 21 May 1998 10:51:23 +0100 (BST) From: CHRIS_BURDEN@HP-UnitedKingdom-om4.om.hp.com Received: from nessie.sqf.hp.com (nessie.sqf.hp.com [15.144.182.189]) by bbnrel4.hp.com (8.8.6/8.8.5tis) with ESMTP id LAA13418; Thu, 21 May 1998 11:51:40 +0200 (METDST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by nessie.sqf.hp.com with SMTP (8.7.6/8.7.3 TIS 5.0 Openmail) id KAA27162; Thu, 21 May 1998 10:51:15 +0100 (BST) X-OpenMail-Hops: 1 Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 10:50:59 +0100 Message-Id: <H0000530016a1103@MHS> Subject: Wrong ! - Ultimate MIME-Version: 1.0 TO: net@timeout.co.uk CC: BURDEN_CHRIS/HP-UnitedKingdom_om4@nessie.sqf.hp.com, britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; name="Wrong" Content-Disposition: inline; filename="Wrong" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk To whom it may concern, Re: half-page article on page 6 of this week's London edition of Time Out. Headline: "Stop this Frisbee madness" Writer Peter Paphides This article is wrong, inaccurate and just plain lies ! If you can not write anything sensible, don't write anything at all ! If you want to know more about UK Ultimate, look at; http://www.ultimateweb.co.uk/buf/ If you want to more about World Wide Ultimate, look at; http://cs.unibo.it/~guilizzo/ultilinks/ Regards, ________________ ~ -- __ ~ /) ((__(___|____)__)) (\ - --- _~~ / ) ( \ ~~ ___ _( (_ _ _ _) )_ .. . . (((\ \> /_> <_\ </ /))) (\\\\ \_/ / \ \_/ ////) \ / Two Hands ! \ / \ _/ \_ / Chris Burden / / \ \ "Papa Sneeeky" / / SNEEEKY'S ULTIMATE \ \ chris_burden@hp.com DISCLAIMER: ----------------------------------------------------------------------- THESE ARE MY OWN PERSONNAL VIEWS. THEY ARE NOT THOSE OF HEWLETT-PACKARD LIMITED. IF YOU WISH TO FOLLOW UP ON THIS MESSAGE, PLEASE ADDRESS ALL ISSUES TO MYSELF ONLY ! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu May 21 11:07:53 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id KAA02814 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 21 May 1998 10:59:34 +0100 (BST) Received: from venus.open.ac.uk (venus.open.ac.uk [137.108.143.2]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA02742 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Thu, 21 May 1998 10:59:19 +0100 (BST) Received: from edison.open.ac.uk by venus with SMTP Local (MMTA v2.2) with ESMTP; Thu, 21 May 1998 10:38:56 +0100 Received: by edison.open.ac.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id <K7YNBHCD>; Thu, 21 May 1998 10:38:55 +0100 Message-ID: <F0A4BEFB2587D011BBF50000F830A0DA011F0620@edison.open.ac.uk> From: "S.J.Pierson" <S.J.Pierson@open.ac.uk> To: "'BritDisc'" <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Saturday Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 10:38:51 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: <F0A4BEFB2587D011BBF50000F830A0DA011F0620@edison.open.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BD84A4.A73A9820" Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------ =_NextPart_000_01BD84A4.A73A9820 Content-Type: text/plain Following cancellation of the Mad Kows tournament, we will still be having a few games on Saturday afternoon (from 2pm-ish) and a party on Saturday evening. Any ultimate players are welcome to come and join us for friendly games (probably on a hat basis), so let me know if you're interested. There's no entry fee for the games or the party. Floor space can be provided if you want to party late into the night!! 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(For those who don't know, mnay ultiamte players - including a deputation of Catch 22 legends - are on their way to Rotterdam for a massive 4 day tournament. It really is a tip top event.) Anyway - as I left work last night around 10ish - feeling utterly sorry for myself at the pointlessness of research, I got in the car and switched on the radio. And what was I greeted with? some stupid woman singing the words: "This could be Rotterdam, or...." I didn't hear the rest of it because I was swearing at her. Anyway - thought it might make some of you smile! Si From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu May 21 12:30:11 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id MAA20825 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 21 May 1998 12:13:06 +0100 (BST) Received: from hil-img-5.compuserve.com (hil-img-5.compuserve.com [149.174.177.135]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA20801 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Thu, 21 May 1998 12:13:01 +0100 (BST) Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by hil-img-5.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/2.10) id HAA22078 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Thu, 21 May 1998 07:12:30 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 07:12:15 -0400 From: Andy Hughes <dunns@compuserve.com> Subject: Time Out article To: britdisc <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Message-ID: <199805210712_MC2-3DC0-2FFF@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id MAA20806 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Re: half-page article - Time Out. Magazine Headline: "Stop this Frisbee madness" Sounds like we should be writing to Time Out to correct the inaccuracies. That letter should almost certainly come from the BFDF as the national organisation responsible for the development of disc sports. I would think we're aiming at least for an apology - at best another half a page to put the record straight. Either way here's an opportunity to turn it to our advantage. Unless someone comes up with a better idea - how about a vounteer in the London area put a copy of the article in the post to me - Andy Hughes, 8 Parkdale West, Tettenhall Road, Wolverhampton WV1 4TE and I'll arrange an official response. Thanks Andy From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu May 21 12:35:42 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id MAA20950 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 21 May 1998 12:13:38 +0100 (BST) Received: from hil-img-1.compuserve.com (hil-img-1.compuserve.com [149.174.177.131]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA20915 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Thu, 21 May 1998 12:13:32 +0100 (BST) Received: (from root@localhost) by hil-img-1.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/2.10) id HAA09929 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Thu, 21 May 1998 07:13:00 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 07:12:26 -0400 From: Andy Hughes <dunns@compuserve.com> Subject: BFDF May Minutes To: britdisc <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Message-ID: <199805210712_MC2-3DC0-3007@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id MAA20931 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Following the wild response we got to posting of the last set of minutes (thank you Laura!). Here's some more stuff for your in-basket. As before any thoughts, comments, contributions let us know Please note: There are four posts coming up for grabs within the BFDF. We need your help. Fancy making a national contribution to disc sport development? Then read on . . . Andy Hughes Secretary BFDF ********************************************************************** Minutes of BFDF Meeting 14 May, 1998 Present: Andy Hughes - Secretary BFDF Mark Jefferson - Development Officer BFDF Dave 'Sam' Neilson - Director BFDF Derek Robins - Director BDGA Apologies: Jo Pears - Administrator BFDF Ian 'Scott' Scotland - Director BUF * * * * * * * Matters Arising Simon Moore has reported further changes to coaching scheme introducing new qualifying for level 1 and level 2 with Coach Mentors to be appointed from the more experienced pool of level 2 coaches to train more level 1 wannabies. David Grayson is to be sent details ASAP for publishing and to generate awareness amongst player base. Development Working Group 10 people responded to Mark Jefferson's request for the formation of the group. Dave Mackay has set up a forum for the exchange of ideas which has begun enthusiastically. Many well thought out and constructive ideas have already been put up for consideration, and the first meeting took place with some of the group on Saturday 9 May. MJ to maintain momentum and begin to bring focus to this group, then report back progress at the next BFDF meeting in July. Following a good response from Brit Disc to MJ's suggestion of a DDC tournament during August, and with the on-going Ultimate and Golf programmes, the BFDF sees a need for a tournament to initiate and promote individual skills. The decision was taken to host an individual national open tournament which will find an overall BFDF National Individual Champion. Suggested events include distance, Maximum Time Aloft andThrow, Run & Catch. A tournament director will be sought to organise the competition. Dissemination of information Dave Neilson will speak to Jo Pears about the delays incurred in forwarding mail from the P.O. Box in Leicester. This creates problems occasionally when short response times are necessary. Ways will be sought to shorten the chain while the information held by some organisations will be changed to direct mail to the home address of the individual concerned. The BFDF web site is still struggling to get off the ground. The decision was made to appoint an Electronic Communications Officer ASAP to organise and maintain the information. A Members Only section of the site will contain, amongst other things, electronic versions of the Handbook, an archive of minutes and resolutions, details of the Coaching Scheme (with a breakdown of the qualifications required for each level) copies of up to date rules etc. etc. Financial Update Steve Kennedy has been asked by DN to prepare a financial report for the meeting which had not arrived. Some concern was expressed about the lack of financial information available and DN was asked to contact SK again and get some figures distributed amongst the group ASAP. Leaflets/Promotional Activities Andy Hughes has had to admit defeat in fixing meetings with disc manufacturers. An alternative approach is underway and samples of the leaflets along with covering letters will be sent out. Leo James to be asked for current version of his work to date and an electronic copy supplied for adaptation to web based publication. AOB BFDF Annual Dinner still not finalised. DN to ask for organiser on BritDisc so that a venue can be arranged for mid to late November. AH announced that he will not be available for re-election at the AGM in September and will stand down as Secretary of BFDF. The date of the next meeting was set for 16 July - agenda items for this meeting required by 9 July. Minutes prepared by Andy Hughes - Secretary BFDF circulated: 15 May 1998 From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu May 21 13:52:43 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id NAA09280 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 21 May 1998 13:34:19 +0100 (BST) Received: from bbnrel4.hp.com (bbnrel4.hp.com [155.208.254.68] (may be forged)) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA09251 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Thu, 21 May 1998 13:34:12 +0100 (BST) From: CHRIS_BURDEN@HP-UnitedKingdom-om4.om.hp.com Received: from nessie.sqf.hp.com (nessie.sqf.hp.com [15.144.182.189]) by bbnrel4.hp.com (8.8.6/8.8.5tis) with ESMTP id OAA15136 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Thu, 21 May 1998 14:34:34 +0200 (METDST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by nessie.sqf.hp.com with SMTP (8.7.6/8.7.3 TIS 5.0 Openmail) id NAA12143 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Thu, 21 May 1998 13:34:09 +0100 (BST) X-OpenMail-Hops: 1 Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 13:33:51 +0100 Message-Id: <H0000530016a3650@MHS> Subject: Time-Up Article ! MIME-Version: 1.0 TO: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="openmail-part-03736840-00000001" Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk --openmail-part-03736840-00000001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; name="Time-Up" Content-Disposition: inline; filename="Time-Up" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Folks, Here is a copy of the message I got from the TIME-UP people. Suggest we also forward a few of our own letters/comments which, of course, will be true and accurate ! Regards, ________________ ~ -- __ ~ /) ((__(___|____)__)) (\ - --- _~~ / ) ( \ ~~ ___ _( (_ _ _ _) )_ .. . . (((\ \> /_> <_\ </ /))) (\\\\ \_/ / \ \_/ ////) \ / Two Hands ! \ / \ _/ \_ / Chris Burden / / \ \ "Papa Sneeeky" / / SNEEEKY'S ULTIMATE \ \ chris_burden@hp.com --openmail-part-03736840-00000001 Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 13:29:38 +0100 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Subject: Re: Wrong ! - Ultimate MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: Non-HP-kieran/HP-UnitedKingdom_mimegw6////////HPMEXT1/kieran#a#timeout#f#co#f#uk@nessie TO: chris_burden@hp.com FROM: Non-HP-kieran/HP-UnitedKingdom_mimegw6////////HPMEXT1/kieran#a#timeout#f#co#f#uk@nessie Content-Type: multipart/Mixed; boundary="openmail-part-03736840-00000002" --openmail-part-03736840-00000002 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Disposition: inline; filename="Re:" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chris, I have forwarded your email to Timeout's letters page, Last Word. For future reference their email address is: LastWord@timeout.co.uk Best wishes, Kieran _______________________ Kieran Wyatt TimeOut International Agenda Tel: +44 (0)171 813 3000 ext 6247 Fax: +44 (0)171 323 3438 Web: www.timeout.co.uk --openmail-part-03736840-00000002-- --openmail-part-03736840-00000001-- From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu May 21 15:11:29 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id PAA01684 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 21 May 1998 15:08:26 +0100 (BST) Received: from artemis.le.ac.uk (artemis.le.ac.uk [143.210.16.126]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA01675 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Thu, 21 May 1998 15:08:24 +0100 (BST) Received: from harrier.le.ac.uk ([143.210.8.56]) by artemis.le.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk id 0ycW3R-0003uA-00; Thu, 21 May 1998 15:10:45 +0100 Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 15:07:14 +0100 (BST) From: "B. Ravilious" <br5@leicester.ac.uk> X-Sender: br5@harrier To: Britdisc <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Time-Out article Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.96.980521150454.13078A-100000@harrier> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi all. Can someone confirm to me that Time Out did indeed cover Ultimate in an A-Z of Sport recently. When was this published? I am about to vent my spleen also! Ben ================================================================================ Ben Ravilious, (0116) 2559638 home br5@le.ac.uk (0116) 2525824 work ORACLE Trial Playing Ultimate for RED University of Leicester www.ultimateweb.co.uk/red/ ================================================================================ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu May 21 15:13:21 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id OAA28235 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 21 May 1998 14:53:52 +0100 (BST) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA28221 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Thu, 21 May 1998 14:53:50 +0100 (BST) Received: from ([158.152.203.174]) [158.152.203.174] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0ycVn3-0001gJ-00; Thu, 21 May 1998 13:53:49 +0000 Subject: Re: Time Out article Date: Thu, 21 May 98 14:53:56 +0100 x-sender: ultimatum@pop3.demon.co.uk x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: Paul Hurt <paul@ultimatum.demon.co.uk> To: "BritDisc" <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Message-Id: <E0ycVn3-0001gJ-00@post.mail.demon.net> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi all I should probably try and clear something up here: Paphides is mainly having a pop at the kind of people (couples particularly) who wander down the park and aimlessly throw a disc to each other very badly. It's these people he's particularly referring to as "idiots". Not a particularly nice thing to do, but insulting people is what these opinionated writers get paid for it seems. But because of the sarcastic, dismissive opening paragraphs about Ultimate (which he patently doesn't know the first thing about anyway), Ultimate players and golfers end up getting tarred with the same brush, by association. So it's not Ultimate players directly that he's criticising (it's golfers! :-) no, no, no. Well, actually, yes, from the tone of his piece he seems to think that Disc Golf is particularly pointless. It's just that he calls it Ultimate). Here's another media person who obviously thinks Frisbees are stupid per se. So I'm not sure that a response from an organisation whose job it is to promote all games played with "flying discs" will carry any weight with him. It will probably simply confirm his suspicions that we're all a bit sad ("My god, they even have a British Frisbee Federation..."). However, a letter from the governing body of a team sport (which happens to use a flying disc) might be perceived differently. Particularly when he so badly maligned Ultimate by name - the BUF has every right to correct him. My two cents... Paul --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Hurt Editor, Ultimatum Magazine, London, England editor@ultimatum.demon.co.uk Visit Ultimatum Online... http://www.ultimatum.demon.co.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu May 21 16:12:59 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id PAA12156 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 21 May 1998 15:53:04 +0100 (BST) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA12146 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Thu, 21 May 1998 15:53:02 +0100 (BST) Received: from (hottub.demon.co.uk) [158.152.195.248] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0ycWiK-00047y-00; Thu, 21 May 1998 15:53:02 +0100 From: <bob@hottub.demon.co.uk> To: "BritDisc" <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 15:52:16 +0000 Subject: Re: Time Out article X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.30) Message-Id: <E0ycWiK-00047y-00@post.mail.demon.net> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Paul Hurt <paul@ultimatum.demon.co.uk> wrote: > Here's another media person who obviously thinks Frisbees are stupid per > se. So I'm not sure that a response from an organisation whose job it is > to promote all games played with "flying discs" will carry any weight > with him. It will probably simply confirm his suspicions that we're all a > bit sad ("My god, they even have a British Frisbee Federation..."). I think Paul has a point here. The problem is that any response from any disc enthusiasts is going to come across as very "train spotter", basically because anyone who's enthusiastic about *anything* always comes across as "sad train spotter". Disclaimer: I am using the phrase "train spotter" because it is a common phrase to describe a particular cultural stereotype, not because I particularly wish to malign train spotters. I've come across this sort of negative inaccurate stereotyping with other activities I've been involved in e.g. morris dancing (hands up everyone whose immediate thought was "a bunch of pansies waving hankies in the air", "which one's morris" or some other media inspired stereotype). One danger is that any letters / emails of complaint will simply form the basis for next weeks article. As Paul also said: > Not a particularly nice thing to do, but insulting people is what > these opinionated writers get paid for it seems. Having said all this, I think at least some effort should be made to inform him of the facts. I want to send him a ranting email as much as anyone but I think a polite, factual letter from BFDF or BUF might achieve more. What about inviting him to a practice session somewhere? Ah well, my first post to Britdisc and I manage to insult train spotters and completely destroy whatever street cred I might have had :-) Bob ---------------------------------------------------------- -- Bob Archer bob@hottub.demon.co.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu May 21 17:02:06 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id QAA25453 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 21 May 1998 16:49:04 +0100 (BST) Received: from serenity.mcc.ac.uk (serenity.mcc.ac.uk [130.88.200.93]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA25433 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Thu, 21 May 1998 16:49:02 +0100 (BST) Received: from ccg.acu.man.ac.uk [130.88.17.200] by serenity.mcc.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.81 #4) id 0ycXaW-00023l-00; Thu, 21 May 1998 16:49:01 +0100 Received: from ccMail by ccg.acu.man.ac.uk (ccMail Link to SMTP R6.00.02) id AA895765736; Thu, 21 May 98 16:48:59 GMT Message-Id: <9805218957.AA895765736@ccg.acu.man.ac.uk> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R6.00.02 Date: Thu, 21 May 98 16:48:23 GMT From: "Rob Mitchell"<admrwm@ccg.acu.man.ac.uk> To: <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: RE (2): Time Out article MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Bob wrote: > I've come across this sort of negative inaccurate stereotyping with > other activities I've been involved in e.g. morris dancing and we can all take solace from the fact that there's always someone (much much much) lower than yourself in the food chain of cred. Unless you're Bob. love Rob Chevron From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu May 21 17:02:52 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id QAA24384 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 21 May 1998 16:44:27 +0100 (BST) Received: from beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk (beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.129.138]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA24365 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Thu, 21 May 1998 16:44:23 +0100 (BST) Received: from cedar.sucs.soton.ac.uk (cedar.sucs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.128.92]) by beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.8/relay-02) with ESMTP id QAA25048 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Thu, 21 May 1998 16:44:22 +0100 (BST) Received: from bill (bill.aero.soton.ac.uk [152.78.240.57]) by cedar.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.8/relay-02) with SMTP id QAA25025 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Thu, 21 May 1998 16:43:45 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <35644BEC.E4E@soton.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 16:44:44 +0100 From: Paul Schuricht <P.H.Schuricht@soton.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (X11; I; SunOS 5.5 sun4c) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: BritDisc Mailing List <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: sports council Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi all, Can anyone tell me what the present status of Ultimate is with the Sports Council? I know that we don't get any funding from them, but are we at least recognised (in a not funded type of way) by them? cheers Paul From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu May 21 17:04:18 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id QAA23655 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 21 May 1998 16:42:04 +0100 (BST) Received: from serenity.mcc.ac.uk (serenity.mcc.ac.uk [130.88.200.93]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA23637 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Thu, 21 May 1998 16:42:01 +0100 (BST) Received: from ccg.acu.man.ac.uk [130.88.17.200] by serenity.mcc.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.81 #4) id 0ycXTj-0001vv-00; Thu, 21 May 1998 16:42:00 +0100 Received: from ccMail by ccg.acu.man.ac.uk (ccMail Link to SMTP R6.00.02) id AA895765315; Thu, 21 May 98 16:41:59 GMT Message-Id: <9805218957.AA895765315@ccg.acu.man.ac.uk> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R6.00.02 Date: Thu, 21 May 98 16:41:47 GMT From: "Rob Mitchell"<admrwm@ccg.acu.man.ac.uk> To: <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: RE: Time Out article MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk > One danger is that any letters / emails of complaint will simply form > the basis for next weeks article. As Paul also said: > > > Having said all this, I think at least some effort should be made to > inform him of the facts. I want to send him a ranting email as much > as anyone but I think a polite, factual letter from BFDF or BUF might > achieve more. What about inviting him to a practice session > somewhere? As someone who has written for a similar publication to Time Out (The Big Issue) for a number of years, and has also had the pleasure of meeting mr paphides... the piece has been written, filed, printed and read by now and that's that. The only people who will have taken any notice of it are frisbee players and paphides' friends. Other readers will have thought, "that is/is not amusing" and moved on. All we can do now is write to correct his inaccuracies and badger them into printing the (hopefully informative, concise and informal (ie not pompous and precious)) letter. If anyone out there happens to know the features editor, you might, if you're very lucky, be able to harrass them into printing a counter-feature in a few months' time, albeit at the cost of a friendship. Other than that, forget it. Everyone else already has. And even if they haven't, the first time they see you heaving a 50 yard hammer to your mate in the park, they'll forget Time Out and be mesmerised. love Rob Chevron From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu May 21 17:45:38 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id RAA05176 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 21 May 1998 17:29:26 +0100 (BST) Received: from artemis.le.ac.uk (artemis.le.ac.uk [143.210.16.126]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA05169 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Thu, 21 May 1998 17:29:24 +0100 (BST) Received: from harrier.le.ac.uk ([143.210.8.56]) by artemis.le.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk id 0ycYFs-0005UW-00; Thu, 21 May 1998 17:31:44 +0100 Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 17:28:14 +0100 (BST) From: "B. Ravilious" <br5@leicester.ac.uk> X-Sender: br5@harrier Reply-To: "B. Ravilious" <br5@leicester.ac.uk> To: Britdisc <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: A Response to Time Out... Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.96.980521170021.13078D-100000@harrier> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi All. Here's my attempt at a reply to the Time Out article for you PR types to rip apart. I haven't posted it and I await peoples comments before I do anything with it. Ben ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dear Editor, They say any publicity is good publicity but judging by Peter Paphides output "Stop This Frisbee Madness" the same cannot be said for journalism. According to Peter, I and several thousand other British men and women are little short of idiots in designer clothes bent on wasting other peoples park space. I spend a lot of time playing and promoting Ultimate Frisbee which is an extremely demanding athletic field sport with elements similar to soccer and basketball. In fact, it so impressed your colleagues that it was included in a Time Out A-Z of sport a few months back. This kind of reactionary nonsense 'journalism' is devastating stuff for people trying to introduce a bit of variety into the quagmire of money-driven ball sports which we are forced to endure these days. Have a laugh at people enjoying alternative sports if you must, but please do not indulge in character assassination and please bother to research the article. More (accurate) information on Ultimate can be found on the Internet at http://www.ultimateweb.co.uk/buf/. Yours faithfully Ben Ravilious Secretary Leicester Ultimate Club ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- <Letter Head: Leicester Ultimate Club, Supported by Leicester City Council, etc> Perhaps It should offer more in the way of further information, contacts, etc. What do you think? From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu May 21 19:10:15 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id SAA20428 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 21 May 1998 18:54:24 +0100 (BST) Received: from neodymium.btinternet.com (neodymium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.83]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA20413 for <Britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Thu, 21 May 1998 18:54:19 +0100 (BST) Received: from btinternet.com [195.99.52.114] by neodymium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 1.70 #1) id 0ycZXQ-0004BG-00; Thu, 21 May 1998 18:53:57 +0100 Message-ID: <MAPI.Id.0016.0061726b2e4a6a203534333630303144@MAPI.to.RFC822> To: "'Britdisc'" <Britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mark Jefferson <Mark.Jj@btinternet.com> Subject: DDC Tournie Entry (2) Date: Thu, 21 May 98 17:23:19 +0100 ( + ) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id SAA20419 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi again Just a quick PS to my earlier message: Not that you really need one, but if anyone would like a hard copy of the entry form and are unable to access the attachment to the previous message (my shitty BT software had trouble sending it so I'm not sure if it got through alright) then send me your address and I'll pop one in the post. Also, if you know of anyone who doesn't have access to Britdisc but may be interested in entering, let me know and I'll post something to them. Cheers Mark Jefferson Whiplash 14 Troutbeck Peartree Bridge Milton Keynes MK6 3ED 01908 666573 Mark.JJ@btinternet.com From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri May 22 10:51:53 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id KAA02432 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 22 May 1998 10:35:21 +0100 (BST) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA02425 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Fri, 22 May 1998 10:35:19 +0100 (BST) Received: from hottub.demon.co.uk ([158.152.195.248]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa2019054; 22 May 98 9:32 GMT From: bob@hottub.demon.co.uk MMDF-Warning: Parse error in original version of preceding line at post.mail.demon.net To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk MMDF-Warning: Parse error in original version of preceding line at post.mail.demon.net Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 10:31:41 +0000 Subject: RE (2): Time Out article X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.30) Message-ID: <895829553.2019054.0@hottub.demon.co.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk "Rob Mitchell"<admrwm@ccg.acu.man.ac.uk> wrote: > Bob wrote: > > > I've come across this sort of negative inaccurate stereotyping with > > other activities I've been involved in e.g. morris dancing > > and we can all take solace from the fact that there's always someone (much much > much) lower than yourself in the food chain of cred. > > Unless you're Bob. At the risk of proving that I'm either unbearably sad or have no sense of humour or both I'm going to take this comment far more seriously than I think Rob intended (you didn't mean it seriously did you Rob :-) ). I think this comment reinforces my previous point. Everyone wants someone to laugh at and the things that get chosen are the minority interests. Even people taking part in one minority interest want to laugh at someone so the easiest thing to do is to pick on a different minority interest. Rob also wrote (in another email): > the piece has been written, filed, printed and read by now and > that's that. The only people who will have taken any notice of it > are frisbee players and paphides' friends. Other readers will have > thought, "that is/is not amusing" and moved on. Just for a moment let us imagine that the piece was written about morris dancing (and similar pieces have been). We would then fall into the "other readers" category Ron mentions above. The following week / month we might then have read a follow up article by the same journalist about the letters and emails they recieved from scores of outraged morris dancers correcting errors in the piece. (This has also happened). The letters might mention that morris dancing is an aerobic activity, that many morris dancers are extremely fit (OK, some are beer swilling lard asses but that just makes the comparison with Ultimate even more accurate ), that it is part of a centuries old tradition, that the Royal Ballet has a morris team, that many morris musicians are extremely accomplished (and there is a whole side issue of whether some one who plays an accordion can be described as a musician) etc. etc. The journalist might (and, once again, this has happened) hve closed the article with a note that there is even a morris dance mailing list available on the internet. How many people made it through that paragraph without falling asleep? Basically, if you're not a morris dancer you don't care. Anyway, I guess I'm tending towards the "let it drop" school of thought, although I might be persuaded by the "one well written letter from BFDF or BUF" school of thought as well. This is also drifting off topic. I am continuing my downward spiral into negative street cred and I should really do some work. Apologies for taking up so much bandwidth. Bob - Red II ---------------------------------------------------------- -- Bob Archer bob@hottub.demon.co.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri May 22 11:32:01 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id LAA10182 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 22 May 1998 11:13:23 +0100 (BST) Received: from pp2.shef.ac.uk (pp2.shef.ac.uk [143.167.1.32]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA10164 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Fri, 22 May 1998 11:13:21 +0100 (BST) Received: from winscar.shef.ac.uk [143.167.67.254] by pp2.shef.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.73 #1) id 0ycopE-0002aB-00; Fri, 22 May 1998 11:13:20 +0100 Received: from WINSCAR/SpoolDir by winscar.shef.ac.uk (Mercury 1.40); 22 May 98 11:13:20 +0100 Received: from SpoolDir by WINSCAR (Mercury 1.40); 22 May 98 11:13:10 +0100 From: "D.J.Moore" <MBA96DJM@sheffield.ac.uk> To: britdisc<britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 11:13:04 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Long lonely summer X-mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.31 Message-ID: <40AB6B636B3@winscar.shef.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Dear all , because of constraints on cash (and living in the wilds of Cumbria) I face the spectre of having a summer without regular ultimate!!! If there is anyone that plays ultimate in the Carlisle area , in the same situation and would like to help start a club in Carlisle , or would just like a chuck around over the summer please contact me on britdisc or my mail address. Cheers---DJ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri May 22 13:08:29 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id MAA03226 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 22 May 1998 12:49:36 +0100 (BST) Received: from ultra1.aber.ac.uk (ultra1.aber.ac.uk [144.124.16.17]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA03204 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Fri, 22 May 1998 12:49:34 +0100 (BST) Received: from pccbhc.ccu.aber.ac.uk (pccbhc) [144.124.17.77] by ultra1.aber.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.80 #1) id 0ycqKL-0006Vl-00; Fri, 22 May 1998 12:49:33 +0100 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980522124935.00904690@pophost.aber.ac.uk> X-Sender: jag6@pophost.aber.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 12:49:35 +0100 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: JOHN ALEXANDER GARRETT <jag6@aber.ac.uk> Subject: Chaos Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Does anybody need any players for the Chaos tournie? We have several team-less players. Bisto (Mwnci See) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri May 22 13:49:04 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id NAA12950 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 22 May 1998 13:31:33 +0100 (BST) Received: from monsoon.dial.pipex.net (monsoon.dial.pipex.net [158.43.128.69]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA12941 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Fri, 22 May 1998 13:31:32 +0100 (BST) Received: (qmail 6715 invoked from network); 22 May 1998 12:31:31 -0000 Received: from usero626.uk.uudial.com (HELO dial.pipex.com) (193.149.89.134) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 22 May 1998 12:31:31 -0000 Message-ID: <356570EC.C60BF9AB@dial.pipex.com> Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 13:34:54 +0100 From: john purdie <jb58@dial.pipex.com> Reply-To: jb58@dial.pipex.com Organization: jb58@dial.pipex.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: britdisc <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: could joanne "jo" nurney please contact John Purdie Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk ref your apparent entry for Where's Bob in the ICUP M/Div coed please could you email me ttfn John Purdie From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri May 22 14:39:42 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id OAA23802 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 22 May 1998 14:18:39 +0100 (BST) Received: from mail.kcl.ac.uk (mail.kcl.ac.uk [137.73.66.6]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA23694 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Fri, 22 May 1998 14:18:27 +0100 (BST) From: andrea.lazzarato@kcl.ac.uk Received: from kcl.ac.uk (EE183.eee.kcl.ac.uk [137.73.11.239]) by mail.kcl.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA07758 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Fri, 22 May 1998 14:19:08 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <35657CA1.91707FFA@kcl.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 14:24:49 +0100 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Continue this Frisbee madness! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Have you read "Time Out" 1448, 20-27 May 98, page 6, the article titled "Stop this Frisbee madness"? Andrew LaFotta-Ultimate Bologna Italy From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri May 22 16:33:56 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id QAA23043 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 22 May 1998 16:07:26 +0100 (BST) Received: from pp2.shef.ac.uk (pp2.shef.ac.uk [143.167.1.32]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA23017 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Fri, 22 May 1998 16:07:22 +0100 (BST) Received: from union.shef.ac.uk [143.167.135.254] by pp2.shef.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.73 #1) id 0yctPl-0002lB-00; Fri, 22 May 1998 16:07:21 +0100 Received: from UNION/MAILQUEUE by union.shef.ac.uk (Mercury 1.40); 22 May 98 16:07:21 +0100 Received: from MAILQUEUE by UNION (Mercury 1.40); 22 May 98 16:07:15 +0100 From: "Phat 'eds" <Ultimate@sheffield.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 16:07:13 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Promotional video X-mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.31 Message-ID: <15728C30E35@union.shef.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Does anyone know of the existence of any Ultimate promotional videos suitable for a university freshers week sports bazaar and how to get one? Steve Higgins From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri May 22 19:41:54 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id TAA28864 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 22 May 1998 19:26:03 +0100 (BST) Received: from spuggie.cen.brad.ac.uk (root@spuggie.cen.brad.ac.uk [143.53.2.18] (may be forged)) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA28855 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Fri, 22 May 1998 19:26:01 +0100 (BST) Received: from morph.cen.brad.ac.uk (root@morph.cen.brad.ac.uk [143.53.238.5]) by spuggie.cen.brad.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA08444; Fri, 22 May 1998 19:25:59 +0100 (BST) Received: from Beastage.brad.ac.uk (max-35.dial.brad.ac.uk [143.53.239.35]) by morph.cen.brad.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id TAA17754; Fri, 22 May 1998 19:27:28 +0100 (BST) From: Claire Rose <C.E.Rose@Bradford.ac.uk> To: "B. Ravilious" <br5@leicester.ac.uk> cc: Britdisc <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Summer Ultimate in the Midlands Part 2 In-Reply-To: <Pine.SGI.3.96.980520183657.20874D-100000@harrier> Message-ID: <SIMEON.9805221903.A@Beastage.brad.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 19:28:03 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time) Read-Receipt-To: Claire Rose <cerose@bradford.ac.uk> Disposition-Notification-To: Claire Rose <cerose@bradford.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Simeon for Win32 Version 4.1 Build (3) X-Authentication: IMSP MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi there. I've only just started playing Ultimate up here at uni and I was wondering if there are any practice sessions I could go along to over the summer back home in sunny Birmingham. So if there's anyone out there who wouldn't mind a beginner coming along could you email me at some point over the next couple of weeks? Cheers, Claire. ****************************************************************** * Claire Rose * C.E.Rose@bradford.ac.uk * University of Bradford * * 2nd year Chemistry with Pharmaceutical and Forensic Science * ****************************************************************** From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sat May 23 12:45:08 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id MAA25693 for britdisc-outgoing; Sat, 23 May 1998 12:29:32 +0100 (BST) Received: from alpha2.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (alpha2.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.2.9]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA25685 for <BRITDISC@CSV.WARWICK.AC.UK>; Sat, 23 May 1998 12:29:30 +0100 (BST) From: JN061@mdx.ac.uk Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V5.1-10 #18910) id <01IXDFS0YYKW8XIVWV@mdx.ac.uk> for BRITDISC@CSV.WARWICK.AC.UK; Sat, 23 May 1998 12:31:45 BST Received: from mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V5.1-10 #18910) id <01IXDFPHZHF48XGYCC@mdx.ac.uk> for BRITDISC@CSV.WARWICK.AC.UK; Sat, 23 May 1998 12:31:45 +0100 (BST) Date: Sat, 23 May 1998 12:31:44 +0100 (BST) Subject: Chaos Tourny To: BRITDISC@csv.warwick.ac.uk Message-id: <01IXDFPHZK8Y8XGYCC@mdx.ac.uk> X-VMS-To: BRITDISC@CSV.WARWICK.AC.UK MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk There is less than one week to go before the tournament. There are still a few spaces left for any teams that would like to come along and join in To all those teams who expressed interest can they please either contact me to let me know if they still intend to come or put a cheque in the post. Thanks. Jo 'from Chaos' From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon May 25 08:02:52 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id HAA09103 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 25 May 1998 07:47:03 +0100 (BST) Received: from gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (ralf@gem [137.205.227.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA09094 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 25 May 1998 07:47:01 +0100 (BST) Received: (from ralf@localhost) by gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA25655 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Mon, 25 May 1998 07:47:00 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 07:47:00 +0100 (BST) From: Ranulf Doswell <ralf@dcs.warwick.ac.uk> Message-Id: <199805250647.HAA25655@gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: BFDF Events Reminder Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk British Flying Disc Federation Disc Events Diary ------------------------------------------------ The events list can also be found at http://www.dcs.warwick.ac.uk/~ralf/bfdf/ ---------- Saturday 30th May 1998 Chaos Outdoors (2 days) @ Trent Park, N. London [Outdoor Ultimate] 16 teams. Camping available. Contact Dan Jones Phone 0181 364 1652 Contact Jo Nurney Email JN061@mdx.ac.uk BDGA Golf (2 days) TBC @ Hayling Island, Southampton [Golf] WizOpen '98 (3 days) @ Geneva [Outdoor Ultimate Abroad] URL: http://www.wizards.ch/WizOpen.htm Contact Yves Maumary Email speedy@wizards.ch Saturday 6th June 1998 CAM '98 (2 days) @ Cambridge Rugby Union Club, Grantchester Road, Cambridge [Outdoor Ultimate] URL: http://wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk/ultimate/cam98/ Open and Juniors Contact David MacKay Email mackay@mrao.cam.ac.uk Phone (01223) 339852 fax: 354599 home: 276411 URL http://wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk/mackay/ TD Dora Kemp Address 25 Greystoke Road Cherry Hinton Cambridge. CB1 4DT Comment Email or work phone are best Email dak12@cus.cam.ac.uk Phone 01223 243156 (h) 01223 339336 (w) Fiesta (2 days) [Invitational] [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 13th June 1998 GB Training (Open and Women) (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Quarry Park, Warwickshire [Golf] Sunday 14th June 1998 GB Masters Practice (1 day) TBC [Masters Outdoor Ultimate Practice] Contact David MacKay Email mackay@mrao.cam.ac.uk Phone (01223) 339852 fax: 354599 home: 276411 URL http://wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk/mackay/ Saturday 20th June 1998 Tour IV (2 days) @ Southampton [Outdoor Ultimate] TD Tim Woolford Email tww93si@soton.ac.uk Saturday 27th June 1998 Junior Outdoors (2 days) @ Adam's Grammar School, Newport, Shropshire [Junior Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Rowena Gill Email maths.adamsg@mail.adamsg.rmplc.co.uk Saturday 4th July 1998 GB Training (Open and Women) (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 11th July 1998 Tour V (2 days) @ Double Locks, Exeter [Outdoor Ultimate] TD Kevin Lowe Email kevinl@curved-logic.com Saturday 18th July 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Whitcombe, Dorset [Golf] Date reserved (2 days) Saturday 25th July 1998 GB Training (Open and Women) (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 1st August 1998 Ross-On-Wye (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 8th August 1998 GB Training (Open and Women) (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Friday 14th August 1998 Worlds (10 days) [Outdoor Ultimate Abroad] Saturday 15th August 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Essex University [Golf] Sunday 16th August 1998 DDC Tournament (1 day) [Outdoor DDC] Contact Mark Jefferson Email Mark.Jj@btinternet.com Saturday 22nd August 1998 Something Fun (2 days) @ Hitchin, Herts [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Saturday 29th August 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) TBC @ Perth or Edinburgh [Golf] Friday 11th September 1998 BUF Open (3 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 19th September 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Burnlaw, Horthumberland [Golf] Saturday 26th September 1998 Nationals 98 (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 24th October 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Whitcombe, Dorset [Golf Handicap] ---------------------------------------------------------- British Flying Disc Federation Disc Events Diary http://www.dcs.warwick.ac.uk/~ralf/bfdf/ Ranulf Doswell, ralf@dcs.warwick.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue May 26 12:58:36 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id MAA11147 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 26 May 1998 12:34:44 +0100 (BST) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA11053 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Tue, 26 May 1998 12:34:29 +0100 (BST) Received: from ([212.228.22.128]) [212.228.22.128] by post.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yeHzs-0006rj-00; Tue, 26 May 1998 11:34:25 +0000 X-Sender: jimson@pop3.demon.co.uk (Unverified) Message-Id: <l03130300b190579073b0@[212.228.22.128]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 12:34:48 +0100 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: Jim McDonnell <jimbob@jimson.demon.co.uk> Subject: Fiesta organisers please contact us... Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Good afternoon Fiesta people - could you please email me back and confirm whether or not Village are Fiesta-bound? I know we organised something verbally at B/ham, but I'm sure no money has changed hands yet. We need to know ASAP as our bank account is in a state of flux (!) at the moment so we need to organise other arrangements. Thanks - Jim (Village) Jim McDonnell (0181 444 6371) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue May 26 15:30:08 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id PAA15934 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 26 May 1998 15:08:20 +0100 (BST) Received: from beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk (beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.129.138]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA15802 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Tue, 26 May 1998 15:07:25 +0100 (BST) Received: from bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk (bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.64.201]) by beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.8/relay-02) with SMTP id PAA05606 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Tue, 26 May 1998 15:07:21 +0100 (BST) Received: from ecs.soton.ac.uk (stork) by bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk; Tue, 26 May 98 15:04:21 BST Received: (qmail 15319 invoked from network); 26 May 1998 14:07:18 -0000 Received: from tarrant.ecs.soton.ac.uk (wp296@152.78.65.120) by stork.ecs.soton.ac.uk with SMTP; 26 May 1998 14:07:18 -0000 Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 15:07:17 +0100 (BST) From: Will Parker <wp296@ecs.soton.ac.uk> To: britdisc <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Match discs for tour4 Message-Id: <Pine.LNX.3.96.980526150402.12428C-100000@tarrant.ecs.soton.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi, We were thinking of having match discs (one for each team) at the Southampton tour event, as the idea went down well at other tournaments, So, whoever sells discs out there, I would like 28 and I'm more than likely to buy from the person who gives me the best quote. See ya Will (Skunks) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue May 26 16:35:51 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id QAA02675 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 26 May 1998 16:20:09 +0100 (BST) Received: from maggiore.dsnet.it (maggiore.dsnet.it [195.32.0.15]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA02647 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Tue, 26 May 1998 16:20:02 +0100 (BST) Received: (qmail 21549 invoked from network); 26 May 1998 15:19:59 -0000 Received: from pppdin83.dsnet.it (HELO mailbox.dsnet.it) (195.250.230.172) by maggiore.dsnet.it with SMTP; 26 May 1998 15:19:59 -0000 Message-ID: <356ADCFD.E06E83E0@mailbox.dsnet.it> Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 17:17:17 +0200 From: Peldi <peldi@maggiore.dsnet.it> Reply-To: peldi@maggiore.dsnet.it X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc To: eurodisc <eurodisc@ira.uka.de>, Itadisc Ita: <guilizzo@cs.unibo.it>, BritDisc <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Ultilinks & Ultilynx Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi. It's hard to please anyone. It's hard to choose "form" or "function" when designing a web page. There are millions of computer connected to the Internet, loaded with all sorts of operating systems, browsers and even different versions of the same browser, all behaving unpredictably. Some people have a fast connection, other have a slower one. The same connection may be fast one day and slow another. Everyone could benefit from Ultilinks, the Ultimate Starting Point. Introducing... U L T I L Y N X Ultilinks' stupid brother It's the same as the Ultilinks that many of you have seen and use every day, but it is intended for those with a slow connection, or an old browser, or just don't like Web pages that open other browser windows on their desktop. It's called "Ultilynx" because it will work fine even in lynx, the old Unix text-only browser. The address for both Ultilinks and Ultilynx stays the same: http://cs.unibo.it/~guilizzo/ultilinks/ It's a frontdoor where you can choose the one you like the best. I will update both at the same time, almost every day. Whenever you add a link to one, I will add it to the other at the same time, no need to add it twice. As usual, I cannot check all the pages listed (about 300 now) every day, so PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE tell me (peldi@mailbox.dsnet.it) if your pages move, or if you find any mistake or broken link. I will try to fix it immediately. Hoping to be useful, Ciao! Peldi PS. For those who put the Ultilinks button on their page: No worries, nothing to be changed! From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue May 26 17:59:21 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id RAA20849 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 26 May 1998 17:43:41 +0100 (BST) Received: from ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk (cusexim@ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.6]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA20836 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Tue, 26 May 1998 17:43:38 +0100 (BST) Received: from caj1.arch.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.34.20]) by ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.926 #1) for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk id 0yeMp6-0004W6-00; Tue, 26 May 1998 17:43:36 +0100 Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 17:43:48 GMT From: "Dora A. Kemp" <dak12@cam.ac.uk> To: <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Cam 98 Reminder X-Mailer: Mulberry [1.0.1, s/n #10001] X-Authenticated: dak12 by imap.cus.cam.ac.uk X-Licensed-To: University of Cambridge MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <E0yeMp6-0004W6-00@ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi all Please come to our fabulous tournament on the weekend of June 6/7 at the Cambridge Rugby Grounds. It should prove to be a lot of fun with excellant facilities, such as good pitches, an all-day bar, free tea and coffee and a beautiful location. Accommodation is camping on the site. B&B information is available upon request and on the web. Please contact me before May 30 and send me your 85 pounds for the tournament entry fee. Let's keep the non-tour tournaments alive! Full tournament information can be found on our web page at http://wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk/ultimate/cam98/ If you do not have access to the web please email me and I shall give you the relevant information. See you in Cambridge! Dora Kemp Strange Blue Whatever does good should be held in honour, and the only shame is in doing harm. - Plato McDonald Institute for Archaeological Research Downing Street, Cambridge, England, CB2 3ER (01223) 339336; (01223) 333536 (FAX)/(01223) 339285; dak12@cam.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue May 26 18:01:02 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id RAA21244 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 26 May 1998 17:45:16 +0100 (BST) Received: from alpha2.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (alpha2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.2.9]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA21211 for <BRITDISC@CSV.WARWICK.AC.UK>; Tue, 26 May 1998 17:45:10 +0100 (BST) From: JN061@mdx.ac.uk Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V5.1-10 #18910) id <01IXHXOFQUG08XB4GK@mdx.ac.uk> for BRITDISC@CSV.WARWICK.AC.UK; Tue, 26 May 1998 17:47:26 BST Received: from mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V5.1-10 #18910) id <01IXHX72UE0W8XJEDP@mdx.ac.uk> for BRITDISC@CSV.WARWICK.AC.UK; Tue, 26 May 1998 17:47:25 +0100 (BST) Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 17:47:25 +0100 (BST) Subject: Chaos Tournament To: BRITDISC@csv.warwick.ac.uk Message-id: <01IXHX72UXSY8XJEDP@mdx.ac.uk> X-VMS-To: BRITDISC@CSV.WARWICK.AC.UK MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Friends, Romans and Country men - what you've all been waiting for: yep, details regarding the tournament. First - what is included in the price as you may all well know by now is camping on Friday (if required please let me or Dan know) and Saturday nights. Party on Saturday in the clubhouse overlooking the playing field and breakfast on Sunday morning. What will also be available is breakfast on Saturday morning for all those who stay Friday or arrive early enough on Saturday morning. Food and drinks will be available throughout the whole weekend. A barbeque will be set up Saturday afternoon and for anyone who wants it a pasta dinner (with bread etc.) can be prepared Saturday evening. The clubhouse will only be charging about 3.50 for a cooked meal so no one need to do additional travelling to get food over the weekend. Could people let me know if they want to stay on site Saturday evening so that I can let the chefs (!) know approximate numbers. The party will start around 8pm Saturday and the theme is to get as tanked up as possible and not have a hangover on Sunday - any contestants??!! Captains meeting will be at 9am on Saturday morning, with games starting at around 9.30. Directions Junction 24 off the M25, then take the A111 towards Cockfosters and Southgate. At the large roundabout (about 3 miles along the A111) take the first exit which will be the A110 (Bramley Road). Carry on past Oakwood tube station and then take the first left which is Snakes Lane. Carry on until you see a car park on the left which is the Southgate Hockey Club. The turning for Snakes Lane is opposite on Esso petrol station and is marked Middlesex University. The address is Snakes Lane, off Bramley Road, Oakwood, London N14 4XS. If anyone is not coming from the M25 then you will need to consult a map. Bramley Road is the A110 which the site is off. If there are any problems please let me know and I will do my best to help. That should be all except that I've just finished my exams and I'm going out to celebrate as I am really happy. See you Saturday or maybe Friday!! Thanks Jo 'from Chaos' From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed May 27 12:39:06 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id MAA01301 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 27 May 1998 12:15:48 +0100 (BST) Received: from alpha2.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (alpha2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.2.9]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA01259 for <BRITDISC@CSV.WARWICK.AC.UK>; Wed, 27 May 1998 12:15:39 +0100 (BST) From: JN061@mdx.ac.uk Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V5.1-10 #18910) id <01IXJ0H8JFNK8XJ8UH@mdx.ac.uk> for BRITDISC@CSV.WARWICK.AC.UK; Wed, 27 May 1998 12:17:56 BST Received: from mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V5.1-10 #18910) id <01IXJ09CUGEE8XLF2N@mdx.ac.uk> for BRITDISC@CSV.WARWICK.AC.UK; Wed, 27 May 1998 12:17:54 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 12:17:54 +0100 (BST) Subject: Chaos To: BRITDISC@csv.warwick.ac.uk Message-id: <01IXJ09CUHC88XLF2N@mdx.ac.uk> X-VMS-To: BRITDISC@CSV.WARWICK.AC.UK MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk This is especially for Yue as for some reason I could not get a connection with your e-mail address from uni. >From Oakwood station the playing fields are about 15 minute walk down snakes lane. The university does have a bus service although they're not very frequent. If you do use the university bus ask the driver to let you off at the playing fields as this will prevent you being driven right into the campus and then having to back track. If you walk from the station: as you come out of Oakwood cross the road and bear right, Snakes Lane is the first turning on the left (opposite an Esso petrol station). The bus stop for the uni bus is just at the top of Snakes Lane and is sign posted. I don't know if there is a cab service at the station and phoning and waiting for a cab might be a hassle. If you think you will want one I will find out numbers of a company or two and send them out on britdisc. Any more question please get in touch. Jo 'from Chaos' From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed May 27 15:06:43 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id OAA24274 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 27 May 1998 14:47:44 +0100 (BST) Received: from waltz.interliant.com (waltz.interliant.com [198.64.193.157]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA24224 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Wed, 27 May 1998 14:47:30 +0100 (BST) Received: (from smtp@localhost) by waltz.interliant.com (8.8.5/Interliant) id IAA09700 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Wed, 27 May 1998 08:42:35 -0500 (CDT) Received: from internet-504.interliant.com(198.64.193.30) by waltz.interliant.com via smap (V1.3) id sma009656; Wed May 27 08:42:30 1998 Received: by Internet-504.interliant.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 (600.1 3-26-1998)) id 86256611.004C6426 ; Wed, 27 May 1998 08:54:23 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ILGW@C&L GB @ C&L INT @ C&L INT EXTERNAL@OUTBOUND @INTERLIANT From: "Ian Stebbing" <Ian_Stebbing@gb.coopers.com> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Message-ID: <86256611.004C6284.00@Internet-504.interliant.com> Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 13:16:47 +0100 Subject: Looking For Nick Haslem Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Nick Dave Bluck is trying to contact you about the Chaos tournament this weekend. Can you call him on 0171 902 3068 (w) or 0181 374 6049 (h) please. -- **************************************** This document should only be read by those persons to whom it is addressed and is not intended to be relied upon by any person without subsequent written confirmation of its contents. Accordingly, Coopers & Lybrand disclaim all responsibility and accept no liability (including in negligence) for the consequences for any person acting, or refraining from acting, on such information prior to the receipt by those persons of subsequent written confirmation. If you have received this E-mail message in error, please notify us immediately by telephone. Please also destroy and delete the message from your computer. Any form of reproduction, dissemination, copying, disclosure, modification, distribution and/or publication of this E-mail message is strictly prohibited. **************************************** From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed May 27 16:04:22 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id PAA07872 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 27 May 1998 15:44:58 +0100 (BST) Received: from dirc.bris.ac.uk (dirc.bris.ac.uk [137.222.10.51]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA07862 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Wed, 27 May 1998 15:44:56 +0100 (BST) Received: from luna.cs.bris.ac.uk by dirc.bris.ac.uk with SMTP-PRIV (PP) with ESMTP; Wed, 27 May 1998 15:44:44 +0100 Received: from tao.cs.bris.ac.uk (tao.cs.bris.ac.uk [137.222.102.3]) by luna.cs.bris.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA26254; Wed, 27 May 1998 15:40:38 +0100 (BST) Received: from localhost by tao.cs.bris.ac.uk (8.8.7) id PAA21421; Wed, 27 May 1998 15:37:32 +0100 (BST) To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk cc: Andrew Orr-Ewing <A.Orr-Ewing@Bristol.ac.uk> Subject: ATTN: Fiesta! seekers Reply-To: lafave@cs.bris.ac.uk Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 15:37:32 +0100 Message-ID: <21419.896279852@tao> From: Laura Lafave <lafave@cs.bris.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hello BD'ers, We have a two or maybe even three extra spaces available for the HeadRush Fiesta! The tournament is 6-7 June in Chew Magna, a bit south of Bristol. During the day: quality ultimate, lush pitches, on-site food/drink/etc, first aid and massage facilities. During the evening: camping at the local pub on Saturday (and Friday, if necessary) and party, including marquee, DJ, tequila, party games, etc, including a *new* competition for determining the first games on Sunday! There are also lots of *new awards* this year! But you can't win it if you're not in it... **For teams who already have reserved places: please send your cheques asap to Andrew. We need to have the cheques by the end of the week. Player packs will be sent out at the end of the week. ***For teams who would like to take one of the last places! If possible, email me <lafave@cs.bris.ac.uk> asap to tell me you want to attend the Fiesta!. Then, send a cheque made out to "HeadRush Ultimate" for 90 pounds + 10 pounds BUF tax to: Andrew Orr-Ewing 46 Alma Court, Alma Vale Road, Clifton, Bristol BS8 2HJ The extra places will be allocated on a first paid first served basis. Thanks, Laura From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed May 27 16:06:18 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id PAA08564 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 27 May 1998 15:47:58 +0100 (BST) Received: from alpha2.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (alpha2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.2.9]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA08543 for <BRITDISC@CSV.WARWICK.AC.UK>; Wed, 27 May 1998 15:47:55 +0100 (BST) From: ES063@mdx.ac.uk Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V5.1-10 #18910) id <01IXJ7V6Q0BK8XK5NK@mdx.ac.uk> for BRITDISC@CSV.WARWICK.AC.UK; Wed, 27 May 1998 15:50:08 BST Received: from mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V5.1-10 #18910) id <01IXJ7Q2D1X28XJZ4P@mdx.ac.uk> for BRITDISC@CSV.WARWICK.AC.UK; Wed, 27 May 1998 15:49:56 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 15:49:56 +0100 (BST) Subject: Chaos Tourny To: BRITDISC@csv.warwick.ac.uk Message-id: <01IXJ7Q2D1X48XJZ4P@mdx.ac.uk> X-VMS-To: BRITDISC@CSV.WARWICK.AC.UK MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi For all those coming to Chaos tourny Friday night, there's also a BBQ happening in the park from 6ish onwords, with more intentions of getting tanked up! The BBQ site is near the Cockfosters entrance... get in touch with me for more accurate directions! Fiona, Chaos From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed May 27 17:30:20 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id RAA29278 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 27 May 1998 17:14:19 +0100 (BST) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA29266 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Wed, 27 May 1998 17:14:17 +0100 (BST) Received: from ([158.152.203.174]) [158.152.203.174] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yeiqG-00010z-00; Wed, 27 May 1998 17:14:16 +0100 Subject: LUS league starts Thursday Date: Wed, 27 May 98 17:14:33 +0100 x-sender: ultimatum@pop3.demon.co.uk x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: Paul Hurt <paul@ultimatum.demon.co.uk> To: "BritDisc" <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Message-Id: <E0yeiqG-00010z-00@post.mail.demon.net> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi Re: LUS LEAGUE THING... ======================= The league games at Clapham start tomorrow (Thursday). Neil Travers has the teams sorted out and should be e-mailing everyone to let them know which teams they're on. Team lists should also appear on the web site, which has moved to: http://www.kbw.co.uk/shotgun/lus/index.htm (The old address still works, but just redirects you to the new one). Hope to see you all there. Paul --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Hurt, London Ultimate Session lus@ultimatum.demon.co.uk http://www.kbw.co.uk/shotgun/lus/index.htm From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed May 27 19:10:56 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id SAA18297 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 27 May 1998 18:56:03 +0100 (BST) Received: from papaya.mail.easynet.net (papaya.mail.easynet.net [195.40.1.40]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA18286 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Wed, 27 May 1998 18:55:57 +0100 (BST) Received: (qmail 19406 invoked from network); 27 May 1998 16:55:25 -0000 Received: from larry.texcel.co.uk (HELO texcel.co.uk) (195.40.103.11) by papaya.mail.easynet.net with SMTP; 27 May 1998 16:55:25 -0000 Received: from dreamer.demon.co.uk by texcel.co.uk (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id RAA27902; Wed, 27 May 1998 17:55:18 +0100 Message-ID: <356C4576.616FB3A5@dreamer.demon.co.uk> Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 17:55:18 +0100 From: Neil Travers <neil@dreamer.demon.co.uk> Organization: Home(ish) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.5 sun4d) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: BritDisc <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: LUS - league starts thursday 28th May Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk The first league game (A v B) will be tomorrow night, 28th May and I think I have sorted out the teams. Please make an effort to turn up, especially those in teams A and B. Team C can form the basis of the pickup game. I have currently had 37 people sign up as definites or maybes, although with only *one* definite ShotGun player I suspect there may be some more who are intending to come along. Anyone who is intending to play in the league games, please contact me and register yourself, I don't want to be dealing with sorting out the teams on the night. I need a volunteer from each team to be Captain. This is just to take responsibility for collecting your players together and getting the game going. This does not have to be the best player on the team, you can have a different person to boss you around on the pitch :-). The teams (unless someone puts a spanner in the works or I find a mistake) are below. I will have the full team sheets (including other details) tomorrow. Team A Roger Thompson David Cain Alex Bowers Paul Hurt Clifford Bottomley Gavin Ailes Dan Sheridan Terry Bonds Paul Cooke Ian Cuddihy Tim Fuller Ken Jinks Nolan Taylor Team B Yue Wu Jonathan Sinclair Justine Kerridge-Judge Neil Travers Neill Curtis Jessica Raymont Sean Fairburn Eric Souza Ally Dray Tim Surry Wayne Retter Sue Farley Team C Colin Wagstaff Fiona Macrae David Whitehead Michael Johnson Terri Whitehead Vanessa White Steve Bridle Nick Dray Wayne Ziants Sam(antha?) Paul Cooke Pete Harvey Brett Christophers -- Neil Travers - home <neil@dreamer.demon.co.uk> LUS web page http://www.kbw.co.uk/shotgun/lus/index.htm From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed May 27 20:16:52 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id UAA29354 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 27 May 1998 20:03:45 +0100 (BST) Received: from sand.global.net.uk (sand.global.net.uk [194.126.82.9]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA29300 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Wed, 27 May 1998 20:03:24 +0100 (BST) Received: from default (client14cb.globalnet.co.uk [195.147.14.203]) by sand.global.net.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA30097 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Wed, 27 May 1998 20:03:22 +0100 Message-Id: <199805271903.UAA30097@sand.global.net.uk> From: "Debbie Mann" <dmann@globalnet.co.uk> To: "brit disc" <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Women's Hat Tournament Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 19:50:01 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01BD89A8.A2E26920" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01BD89A8.A2E26920 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit 13 and 14 June 1998 Women's Hat Tournament Victoria Park, Leicester Registration on Saturday is from 10.00am to 10.30am with games scheduled to start at 11.00am. (Please register promptly so that teams can be picked by 11.00am!) Approximate times: Saturday 11.00am - 5.00pm Sunday 10.00am - 3.30pm ALL WOMEN PLAYERS WELCOME Players will be asked to class themselves as one of the following: A - Experienced B - Intermediate C - Beginner Teams will then be pulled out of a hat with a similar number of players from each category. This is a great opportunity to play Women's Ultimate, make new friends and improve your game. Please encourage all your friends, whether they have played before or not, to come along. There will be a player fee of £5.00 payable at registration. I would appreciate it if people could let me know if they are interested, as I need to tell the council how many pitches to mark out. E-mail: dmann@globalnet.co.uk Work: 0116 205 3907 Home: 0116 270 4930 There will be limited accomodation available, but no camping. Please let me know if you need somewhere to stay and on which night(s). Thanks very much. Hope to hear from/see you on 13/14 June in Leicester. Debbie ------=_NextPart_000_01BD89A8.A2E26920 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <html><head></head><BODY bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF"><p align=3Dcenter><font = size=3D4 color=3D"#000000" face=3D"Arial">13 and 14 June 1998<br>Women's = Hat Tournament<br>Victoria Park, Leicester</p> <p><font size=3D2><br><br>Registration on Saturday is from 10.00am to = 10.30am with games scheduled to start at 11.00am.  (Please register = promptly so that teams can be picked by 11.00am!)<br><br>Approximate = times:   Saturday  11.00am - 5.00pm<br> =             &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;     Sunday    10.00am - = 3.30pm<br><br></p> <p align=3Dcenter><font size=3D4><b>ALL WOMEN PLAYERS WELCOME</p> <p></b><font size=3D2><br>Players will be asked to class themselves as = one of the following:<br>A - Experienced<br>B - Intermediate<br>C - = Beginner<br>Teams will then be pulled out of a hat with a similar number = of players from each category.<br><br>This is a great opportunity to = play Women's Ultimate, make new friends and improve your = game.<br><br>Please encourage all your friends, whether they have played = before or not, to come along.<br><br>There will be a player fee of = =A35.00 payable at registration.<br><br>I would appreciate it if people = could let me know if they are interested, as I need to tell the council = how many pitches to mark out.<br><br>E-mail: = dmann@globalnet.co.uk<br>Work:  0116 205 3907<br>Home: 0116 270 = 4930<br><br>There will be limited accomodation available, but no = camping.  Please let me know if you need somewhere to stay and on = which night(s).<br><br>Thanks very much.<br>Hope to hear from/see you on = 13/14 June in Leicester.<br><br><br>Debbie</p> </font></font></font></font></body></html> ------=_NextPart_000_01BD89A8.A2E26920-- From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu May 28 10:57:39 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id KAA07420 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 28 May 1998 10:45:00 +0100 (BST) Received: from ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk (cusexim@ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.6]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA07410 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Thu, 28 May 1998 10:44:58 +0100 (BST) Received: from caj1.arch.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.34.20]) by ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.926 #1) for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk id 0yezF1-0006Sh-00; Thu, 28 May 1998 10:44:56 +0100 Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 10:45:31 GMT From: "Dora A. Kemp" <dak12@cam.ac.uk> To: <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Cam98 X-Mailer: Mulberry [1.0.1, s/n #10001] X-Authenticated: dak12 by imap.cus.cam.ac.uk X-Licensed-To: University of Cambridge MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <E0yezF1-0006Sh-00@ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi all If anyone wants to attend Cam98 and does not have a full team I am compiling a list of pickups to form a team out of. Remember the deadline for entry is this weekend. Dora Whatever does good should be held in honour, and the only shame is in doing harm. - Plato McDonald Institute for Archaeological Research Downing Street, Cambridge, England, CB2 3ER (01223) 339336; (01223) 333536 (FAX)/(01223) 339285; dak12@cam.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu May 28 11:55:37 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id LAA20683 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 28 May 1998 11:43:57 +0100 (BST) Received: from gatekeeper.cmht.nwest.nhs.uk (gatekeeper.cmht.nwest.nhs.uk [193.60.159.61]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA20653 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Thu, 28 May 1998 11:43:52 +0100 (BST) Received: by gatekeeper.cmht.nwest.nhs.uk; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA30771; Thu, 28 May 1998 11:32:56 +0100 Received: from pers.cmht.nwest.nhs.uk (pers.cmht.nwest.nhs.uk [159.170.196.35]) by mar003.cmht.nwest.nhs.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA13226 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Thu, 28 May 1998 11:47:39 +0100 (BST) Received: from MRI_PERS/SpoolDir by pers.cmht.nwest.nhs.uk (Mercury 1.40); 28 May 98 11:41:24 BST Received: from SpoolDir by MRI_PERS (Mercury 1.40); 28 May 98 11:41:23 BST From: "Harry Golby" <hgolby@pers.cmht.nwest.nhs.uk> Organization: Central Manchester Healthcare Trust To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 11:41:20 BST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: GB OPEN SQUAD ONLY - URGENT X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.53/R1) Message-Id: <9BBBB507DC6@pers.cmht.nwest.nhs.uk> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-printable to 8bit by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id LAA20666 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Apologies to those not interested, please ensure this is brought to the attention of your team mates who are in the GB squad but don't have access to Britdisc. Two things: 1. MONEY / FORMS If you have not already done so you need to get your money, forms and photos for Worlds to Simon Moore as soon as possible. (Cheques for £280 payable to the BUF.) His address is (and I hope I got it right this time): Simon Moore 31 Heywood Terrace Pill Bristol BS20 0EA If you have not already sent you stuff through, Simon (01275 375303) or I (0161 434 0864) need to hear from you BY THE END OF THIS WEEKEND. 2. NEXT PRACTICE The next practice is over the weekend of 13/14 June. We're still open to offers as to where it should be - any bright ideas get in touch (otherwise my money will be on it being in Pill or Manchester!) Cheers Harry Harry Golby Email:HGOLBY@PERS.CMHT.NWEST.NHS.UK Phone: 0161 276 4904 (W) Fax: 0161 276 4980 From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu May 28 13:14:33 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id LAA05934 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 27 May 1998 11:31:03 +0100 (BST) Received: from ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk (cusexim@ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.6]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA05840 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Wed, 27 May 1998 11:30:36 +0100 (BST) Received: from caj1.arch.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.34.20]) by ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.926 #1) for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk id 0yedTd-0006h4-00; Wed, 27 May 1998 11:30:33 +0100 Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 11:30:48 GMT From: "Dora A. Kemp" <dak12@cam.ac.uk> To: <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Cam98 cheques X-Mailer: Mulberry [1.0.1, s/n #10001] X-Authenticated: dak12 by imap.cus.cam.ac.uk X-Licensed-To: University of Cambridge MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <E0yedTd-0006h4-00@ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Quick addition to my last message Cheques for Cam98 (June 6/7) should be made payable to the 'Cambridge Ultimate Frisbee Club' and sent to the address below. Thanks Dora Strange Blue PS Could whoever is in charge of Fiesta please contact me. Thanks McDonald Institute for Archaeological Research Downing Street, Cambridge, England, CB2 3ER (01223) 339336; (01223) 333536 (FAX)/(01223) 339285; dak12@cam.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu May 28 13:35:12 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id NAA15177 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 28 May 1998 13:20:04 +0100 (BST) Received: from papaya.mail.easynet.net (papaya.mail.easynet.net [195.40.1.40]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA15133 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Thu, 28 May 1998 13:19:56 +0100 (BST) Received: (qmail 23973 invoked from network); 28 May 1998 12:19:53 -0000 Received: from larry.texcel.co.uk (HELO texcel.co.uk) (195.40.103.11) by papaya.mail.easynet.net with SMTP; 28 May 1998 12:19:53 -0000 Received: from dreamer.demon.co.uk by texcel.co.uk (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id NAA06007; Thu, 28 May 1998 13:19:49 +0100 Message-ID: <356D5665.118A01A7@dreamer.demon.co.uk> Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 13:19:49 +0100 From: Neil Travers <neil@dreamer.demon.co.uk> Organization: Home(ish) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.5 sun4d) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: BritDisc <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Re: LUS - league starts thursday 28th May Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Correction. I made a couple of mistakes. 1. I'd stolen all the women from team A. 2. I had Paul Cooke on team A & C. I've moved Vannessa White and Sam (NZ) into team A and Tim Fuller into Team C. Paul Cooke is now only in team C :-). The teams now look like this (and hopefully won't change too much tonight). Team A Team B Team C Roger Thompson Yue Wu Colin Wagstaff David Caine Jonathan Sinclair Fiona Macrae Alex Bowers Justine Kerridge-Judge David Whitehead Paul Hurt Neil Travers Michael Johnson Clifford Bottomley Neill Curtis Terri Whitehead Gavin Ailes Jessica Raymont Steve Bridle Dan Sherridan Sean Fairburn Nick Dray Terry Bonds Eric Souza Wayne Ziants Ian Cuddihy Ally Dray Paul Cooke Ken Jinks Tim Surry Tim Fuller Vanessa White Sam (NZ) Nolan Taylor Wayne Retter Pete Harvey Brett Christophers -- Neil Travers - home <neil@dreamer.demon.co.uk> From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu May 28 14:34:36 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id OAA00542 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 28 May 1998 14:19:43 +0100 (BST) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA00535 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Thu, 28 May 1998 14:19:41 +0100 (BST) From: Dean@wcpn.demon.co.uk Received: from wcpn.demon.co.uk ([158.152.29.207]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa2024574; 28 May 98 13:00 GMT X-Mailer: SuperHighway Access for Windows Version 4.00 R3 (Mailer Version 1.02) Message-ID: <356DD066-00000001@wcpn.demon.co.uk> Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 14:00:20 PDT Subject: music To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Probably seems like a daft question but does anyone know the name of the band that played at the half time Orange in Leicester on the Saturday night of Tour 1 back in March and how I can contact them??? I am assuming someone from Red will know, We are actually having a works ball and need a blues band.. Cheers for listening, happy chucking.... . deZ - Dean Saggers - WCPN + Disciples Ultimate.. The best view of life is from over the edge looking back... Bones heel, cuts mend, chicks dig scars, glory is forever... From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu May 28 16:58:18 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id QAA08439 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 28 May 1998 16:41:53 +0100 (BST) Received: from monsoon.dial.pipex.net (monsoon.dial.pipex.net [158.43.128.69]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA08421 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Thu, 28 May 1998 16:41:49 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199805281541.QAA08421@pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Received: (qmail 24295 invoked from network); 28 May 1998 15:41:32 -0000 Received: from userm814.uk.uudial.com (HELO default) (193.149.80.102) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 28 May 1998 15:41:32 -0000 Reply-To: <Matthew.Lowe@dial.pipex.com> From: "Matthew Lowe" <Matthew.Lowe@dial.pipex.com> To: "BritDisc" <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Ultrastars Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 13:47:47 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Anyone who can get me some cheap Ultrastars please mail me ASAP. Matt Lowe. Matthew.Lowe@Dail.Pipex.com From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri May 29 15:19:31 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id OAA05639 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 29 May 1998 14:58:10 +0100 (BST) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA05626 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Fri, 29 May 1998 14:58:08 +0100 (BST) From: Dean@wcpn.demon.co.uk Received: from wcpn.demon.co.uk ([158.152.29.207]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa2021667; 29 May 98 13:30 GMT X-Mailer: SuperHighway Access for Windows Version 4.00 R3 (Mailer Version 1.02) Message-ID: <356F28C3-00000001@wcpn.demon.co.uk> Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 14:29:37 PDT Subject: Music To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Cheers people, I now know the whos and where for the band. Thanks for your help folks. deZ. deZ - Dean Saggers - WCPN + Bradford Disciples Ultimate. The best view of life is from over the edge looking back... Bones heel, cuts mend, chicks dig scars, glory is forever... From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri May 29 16:18:05 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id QAA22126 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 29 May 1998 16:06:16 +0100 (BST) Received: from alpha2.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (alpha2.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.2.9]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA22114 for <BRITDISC@CSV.WARWICK.AC.UK>; Fri, 29 May 1998 16:06:14 +0100 (BST) From: ES063@mdx.ac.uk Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V5.1-10 #18910) id <01IXM13OFD1C8XLBWS@mdx.ac.uk> for BRITDISC@CSV.WARWICK.AC.UK; Fri, 29 May 1998 16:08:29 BST Received: from mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V5.1-10 #18910) id <01IXM114D9J48XJ7QN@mdx.ac.uk> for BRITDISC@CSV.WARWICK.AC.UK; Fri, 29 May 1998 16:08:21 +0100 (BST) Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 16:08:21 +0100 (BST) Subject: discs To: BRITDISC@csv.warwick.ac.uk Message-id: <01IXM114DBF68XJ7QN@mdx.ac.uk> X-VMS-To: BRITDISC@CSV.WARWICK.AC.UK MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk If anyone has any discs to sell and is coming to the Chaos tourny this w/end, can you bring them THere's a number of people around who want to buy some Cheers Fiona, Chaos From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri May 29 20:27:04 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id UAA01565 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 29 May 1998 20:13:39 +0100 (BST) Received: from send1e.yahoomail.com (send1e.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.64]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA01559 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Fri, 29 May 1998 20:13:35 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <19980529191321.9002.rocketmail@send1e.yahoomail.com> Received: from [194.125.22.13] by send1e; Fri, 29 May 1998 12:13:21 PDT Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 12:13:21 -0700 (PDT) From: "Michael O'Meara" <meehaulomeara@yahoo.com> Subject: whats up To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Could anybody please tell the irish team, mainly simon! "Why the fuck an irish team could not play at Southampton?" Is this for the benefit of irish frisbee? and how does the brit-disc scene view the irish disc scene? if anybody has any pointers we would like to know. "Is our money not good enough?" yours in confusion Mike O'Meara _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri May 29 20:32:26 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id UAA03686 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 29 May 1998 20:30:52 +0100 (BST) Received: from send1a.yahoomail.com (send1a.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.22]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA03677 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Fri, 29 May 1998 20:30:49 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <19980529192932.29539.rocketmail@send1a.yahoomail.com> Received: from [194.125.22.13] by send1a; Fri, 29 May 1998 12:29:31 PDT Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 12:29:31 -0700 (PDT) From: "Michael O'Meara" <meehaulomeara@yahoo.com> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Kia Ora On a another note I'm having trouble getting in contact with a retailer in America, to order some Nike Sharks. Does anybody know some web sites? that sell and send the shoes in the states this would be appreciated. We want to use a credit card we found before it gets cancelled. Yours Mike O'Meara _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sat May 30 14:27:47 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id OAA10695 for britdisc-outgoing; Sat, 30 May 1998 14:11:51 +0100 (BST) Received: from amsta.leeds.ac.uk (amsta.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA10688 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Sat, 30 May 1998 14:11:49 +0100 (BST) Received: from newton.leeds.amsta (newton.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.64]) by amsta.leeds.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA17107; Sat, 30 May 1998 14:12:41 +0100 (BST) Received: by newton.leeds.amsta (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id OAA19972; Sat, 30 May 1998 14:12:42 +0100 Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 14:12:42 +0100 From: amtsjh@amsta.leeds.ac.uk (S J Hill) Message-Id: <199805301312.OAA19972@newton.leeds.amsta> To: meehaulomeara@yahoo.com Subject: whats up Cc: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Mike > Could anybody please tell the irish team, mainly simon! I presume you mean me. > "Why the fuck an irish team could not play at Southampton?" In the heat of the moment (say in a game) somebody might have an outburst like this. But then again, on email, you had a chance to read it back to yourself, and then decide whether or not to send it to me, or to BritDisc, or even to re-phrase the question. (Since you obviously want to have this discussion out loud, I have replied to BritDisc.) The quick answer is that you didn't pay in time, according to the rules that we have in place to try to make it fair for everyone when a tournament is over-subscribed. Unfortunately, Southampton is heavily over-subscribed, and there are quite a few other teams who also haven't made it into the tournament. I don't expect you to have any idea how much time and energy has been spent trying to prevent this situation arising, but I take my position in the BUF particularly seriously, and it weighs quite heavily on me when players don't get to play ultimate for some "bureaucratic" reason like not paying in time. This is the 9th tour event. It is the 6th that has been oversubscribed in relation to the original setup of having 24 teams. In every case, the TDs and the ultim8 committee have worked on a solution. This is the FIRST TIME that teams that entered have been completely turned away. > Is this for the benefit of irish frisbee? No. It may have escaped your notice, but this is a British Ultimate Federation event (see below). > and how does the brit-disc > scene view the irish disc scene? if anybody has any pointers we would > like to know. I can't answer for everyone obviously, but from my point of view its pretty exciting that there is the beginnings of an ultimate scene in Ireland. I hope it continues to grow, and I know that most players in Britain are likely to be keen to encourage and help Irish Ultimate. But British Ultimate is hardly a booming success! Players here have been making huge efforts for a long time to improve the game in Britain, and we continue to make progress. But it doesn't just happen instantly. The Tour is one part of the BUFs plan's to help improve UK Ultimate. And that is what I believe it is doing. I'm sure that when it is possible to embrace the aspirations of Irish Ultimate at the same time then everyone will be delighted, but when its not possible our first responsibility is to teams from this country. Under the current rules of the tour, if a foreign team enters in time to get into a tour event under the normal procedure, then they get a place at the event. If they do not manage to do that, then they are treated the same way as all the other UK teams. I have been concerned for a while that maybe this puts the foreign team at a disadvantage; but I prefer that to a situation where a home team is at a disadvantage. Nonetheless I have, and will be putting thought to how we might make entering tour events simpler for foreign teams. Can I also take this opportunity to remind you about the BUF Open in Eastbourne, which has been set up specifically with the aim of being an international event. I suspect that you will see more details about this soon. > "Is our money not good enough?" > > yours in confusion > > Mike O'Meara There is nothing wrong with your money (at least not that I know of). If you talk to Peter, he will be able to tell you more about what happened re your entry to Southampton; and also about the situation with the Exeter tournament which I hope will not suffer from the over-subscription problem. I hope this goes some way to explaining. The bottom line however, is that I'm totally gutted that teams have had to be turned away from a tournament, and I'm sorry that you are in one of those teams. I'd like to repeat my apologies to all the other teams that haven't got in (if any of those people have got this far). All the best - hope to see you in Exeter AND Eastbourne, Si (Simon Hill) ps - I'm not a big fan of aggressive, abusive emails to/about me (esp. posted to the whole of BD). pps - I can't help you with your quest to buy Nike Sharks - but let me know if you find some, because I have a suggestion about where you can shove them. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Jun 1 00:50:26 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id AAA10754 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 00:36:24 +0100 (BST) Received: from wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk (bee.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk [131.111.48.99]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA10748 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 00:36:20 +0100 (BST) Received: by wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk (UK-Smail 3.1.25.1/15) id <m0ygHeE-00001dC@wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk>; Mon, 1 Jun 98 00:36 BST Message-Id: <m0ygHeE-00001dC@wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 1 Jun 98 00:36 BST From: mackay@mrao.cam.ac.uk (David J.C. MacKay) To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: chaos tournament report Cc: gbm@mrao.cam.ac.uk Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi folks, this isn't an official tournament report, nor is it a complete one, as I saw more of the top division than the plate division... but I hope someone may want to read it: Chaos Tournament 30-31 May ============================ The Chaos tournament at Trent Park was an excellent spirited event, as always, and was notable for the closeness of its games between all the top teams. On Saturday, GB Masters (playing their first and only tournament of 1998) had a hard fight with First Touch for the head of pool C. The game went to sudden death in overtime and was won - with a little help fom Pete Harvey - by First Touch. Next door in pool B, Mild Mannered Janitors displaced the eventual finalists Shag Boys from their top seeding. The subsequent cross-over games were equally close. The Mild Mannered Janitors were tied with GB Masters when the cap went on, and in the First Touch / Shag Boys playoff, Touch made a huge comeback in the cap from 9-3 to 9-all before losing to the Shaggers. This trend continued during Sunday's knockouts. Blue Arse Flies and First Touch were tied at 8-8 in the cap; Touch won. On the adjacent field, Mohawks used an energetic 1-3-3 zone to come from 6-1 down against GB Masters and take the game 9-7. In the First Touch / Mohawks game for 5th/6th, Mohawks again staged a strong comeback but couldn't quite beat Touch. As for the top four, in Sunday's semi-finals, UTT beat Janitors and Shag Boys beat Goldfish. Goldfish then overpowered the Janitors in the 3rd/4th final and demonstrated some entertaining no-look passes and no-look catches (most of which were incomplete). The final was another close game. Shag Boys kept close on the tail of UTT all the way, and looked increasingly strong as UTT's eight able bodied players tired. Danny had been sent off by an "I think I broke your nose, bro" incident which left his face gushing blood like a Tarantino film. In the end, the Shagging Ones never quite broke down the UTT lead. The awards, distributed in the very nice new clubhouse at Trent Park, included magic metal pants for the finalists and spirit winners. Many thanks to Dan, Fi and Jo for an excellent tournament! ---------- 1 UTT 2 shag boys 3 goldfish 4 mild jannered manitors 5 first touch 6 mohawks 7 blue arse flies 8 gb masters 9 mud culture (plate) 10 red 11 pick and miss 12 twin peaks 13 far flung? 14 chaos 15 Kniggets 16 hurricane The prize for theme/concept/gimmick went to mohawks (who wore nice ties) Spirit: first touch ------- David -------------------------------------------------------------------------- David J.C. MacKay email: mackay@mrao.cam.ac.uk www: http://wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk/mackay/ Cavendish Laboratory, tel: (01223) 339852 fax: 354599 home: 740511 Madingley Road, international code: +44 1223 Cambridge CB3 0HE. U.K. room: 961 Rutherford Building ---------note NEW home phone number, 740511, or x40511 from Univ. network From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Jun 1 00:51:40 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id AAA11424 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 00:46:54 +0100 (BST) Received: from wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk (bee.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk [131.111.48.99]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA11417 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 00:46:51 +0100 (BST) Received: by wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk (UK-Smail 3.1.25.1/15) id <m0ygHoR-00001dC@wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk>; Mon, 1 Jun 98 00:46 BST Message-Id: <m0ygHoR-00001dC@wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 1 Jun 98 00:46 BST From: mackay@mrao.cam.ac.uk (David J.C. MacKay) To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk, gbm@mrao.cam.ac.uk Subject: News from GB Masters and reminder about CAM98 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Dear Britdisc, You should probably be informed that GB Masters, this weekend, decided not to send a squad to the worlds. This is because there were only about 10 of us committed to going. We tried quite hard to contact everyone who might be interested and we held practices at three venues round England - so we didn't give up easily. We are looking forward to having an excellent Masters squad again in future years. ---------- And while we are looking to the future, can you contemplate getting old without having been to CAM98? Please please please, if you are free next weekend, come to our tournament in Cambridge. http://wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk/ultimate/cam98/ The registration deadline was Saturday but Dora is willing to take late entries for an extra couple of days. She is: Dora Kemp 25 Greystoke Road, Cherry Hinton, Cambridge. CB1 4DT 01223 243156 (h) 01223 339336 (w) dak12@cus.cam.ac.uk (email or work phone are best) Yours, David -------------------------------------------------------------------------- David J.C. MacKay email: mackay@mrao.cam.ac.uk www: http://wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk/mackay/ Cavendish Laboratory, tel: (01223) 339852 fax: 354599 home: 740511 Madingley Road, international code: +44 1223 Cambridge CB3 0HE. U.K. room: 961 Rutherford Building ---------note NEW home phone number, 740511, or x40511 from Univ. network From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Jun 1 07:59:06 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id HAA02027 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 07:47:03 +0100 (BST) Received: from gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (ralf@gem [137.205.227.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA02022 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 07:47:02 +0100 (BST) Received: (from ralf@localhost) by gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA11278 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 07:47:01 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 07:47:01 +0100 (BST) From: Ranulf Doswell <ralf@dcs.warwick.ac.uk> Message-Id: <199806010647.HAA11278@gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: BFDF Events Reminder Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk British Flying Disc Federation Disc Events Diary ------------------------------------------------ The events list can also be found at http://www.dcs.warwick.ac.uk/~ralf/bfdf/ ---------- Saturday 6th June 1998 CAM '98 (2 days) @ Cambridge Rugby Union Club, Grantchester Road, Cambridge [Outdoor Ultimate] URL: http://wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk/ultimate/cam98/ Open and Juniors Contact David MacKay Email mackay@mrao.cam.ac.uk Phone (01223) 339852 fax: 354599 home: 276411 URL http://wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk/mackay/ TD Dora Kemp Address 25 Greystoke Road Cherry Hinton Cambridge. CB1 4DT Comment Email or work phone are best Email dak12@cus.cam.ac.uk Phone 01223 243156 (h) 01223 339336 (w) Fiesta (2 days) [Invitational] [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 13th June 1998 GB Training (Open and Women) (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Quarry Park, Warwickshire [Golf] Sunday 14th June 1998 GB Masters Practice (1 day) TBC [Masters Outdoor Ultimate Practice] Contact David MacKay Email mackay@mrao.cam.ac.uk Phone (01223) 339852 fax: 354599 home: 276411 URL http://wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk/mackay/ Saturday 20th June 1998 Tour IV (2 days) @ Southampton [Outdoor Ultimate] TD Tim Woolford Email tww93si@soton.ac.uk Saturday 27th June 1998 Exeter Hat Tournament (2 days) @ Double Locks, Exeter [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Sue Farley Email ma95smf@exeter.ac.uk Junior Outdoors (2 days) @ Adam's Grammar School, Newport, Shropshire [Junior Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Rowena Gill Email maths.adamsg@mail.adamsg.rmplc.co.uk Saturday 4th July 1998 GB Training (Open and Women) (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 11th July 1998 Tour V (2 days) @ Double Locks, Exeter [Outdoor Ultimate] TD Kevin Lowe Email kevinl@curved-logic.com Saturday 18th July 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Whitcombe, Dorset [Golf] Date reserved (2 days) Saturday 25th July 1998 GB Training (Open and Women) (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 1st August 1998 Ross-On-Wye (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 8th August 1998 GB Training (Open and Women) (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Friday 14th August 1998 Worlds (10 days) [Outdoor Ultimate Abroad] Saturday 15th August 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Essex University [Golf] Sunday 16th August 1998 DDC Tournament (1 day) [Outdoor DDC] Contact Mark Jefferson Email Mark.Jj@btinternet.com Saturday 22nd August 1998 Something Fun (2 days) @ Hitchin, Herts [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Saturday 29th August 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) TBC @ Perth or Edinburgh [Golf] Friday 11th September 1998 BUF Open (3 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 19th September 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Burnlaw, Horthumberland [Golf] Saturday 26th September 1998 Nationals 98 (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 24th October 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Whitcombe, Dorset [Golf Handicap] ---------------------------------------------------------- British Flying Disc Federation Disc Events Diary http://www.dcs.warwick.ac.uk/~ralf/bfdf/ Ranulf Doswell, ralf@dcs.warwick.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Jun 1 11:14:41 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id LAA02333 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 11:05:21 +0100 (BST) Received: from beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk (beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.129.138]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA02326 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 11:05:19 +0100 (BST) Received: from bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk (bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.64.201]) by beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.8/relay-02) with SMTP id LAA09066 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 11:05:17 +0100 (BST) Received: from ecs.soton.ac.uk (stork) by bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk; Mon, 1 Jun 98 11:02:16 BST Received: (qmail 13087 invoked from network); 1 Jun 1998 10:05:15 -0000 Received: from life.ecs.soton.ac.uk (HELO life) (152.78.65.51) by stork.ecs.soton.ac.uk with SMTP; 1 Jun 1998 10:05:15 -0000 Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 11:03:13 +0100 (BST) From: Will Parker <wp296@ecs.soton.ac.uk> X-Sender: wp296@life To: britdisc <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Tour 4 payments Message-Id: <Pine.HPP.3.91.980601105643.26746A-100000@life> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk The payment deadline for Tour 4 was the 31st May as was clearly stated in your invitation. Some teams have still not payed their entry fee, so please hurry up. Teams that have paid: Shotgun Druids Chevron Headrush Sneeky's Village People Chaos Twin Peaks Fingers 6 K-niggets V Happy Teams who I know are sending cheques, but are just late Catch GB Juniors Jedi Teams who I am still waiting for cheques from UTI Red I Red II First Touch Red Shift BAF MM Janitors Sharks Strange Blue Uriel Slipdisc Superfly Please hurry up with the cheques or at least tell me when you are going to pay them. Cheers Will From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Jun 1 11:14:56 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id LAA01301 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 11:00:40 +0100 (BST) Received: from amsta.leeds.ac.uk (amsta.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA01282 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 11:00:37 +0100 (BST) Received: from newton.leeds.amsta (newton.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.64]) by amsta.leeds.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA18285 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 11:01:29 +0100 (BST) Received: by newton.leeds.amsta (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA22672; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 11:01:33 +0100 Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 11:01:33 +0100 From: amtsjh@amsta.leeds.ac.uk (S J Hill) Message-Id: <199806011001.LAA22672@newton.leeds.amsta> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Tour 4 entry list X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Tour IV Teams ------------- The deposit closing date was this w/e. Both Skunks II and VH entered in time, and hence take their automatic places. Again - apologies to the teams that miss out. All the other details were in the first team list - so I won't repeat any of that. NB ************************************************** IF YOU ARE ONE OF THE TEAMS WHO HAVE GOT IN, BUT ARE NOW HAVING PROBLEMS GETTING A TEAM, PLEASE AT LEAST WARN US. THE MORE INFORMATION WE HAVE, THE EASIER IT IS TO MAKE SURE THAT A TEAM CAN BE REPLACED, OR TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU DO HAVE ENOUGH PLAYERS. THERE ARE A LOT OF PLAYERS WHO WOULD LIKE TO PLAY IN SOUTHAMPTON BUT CAN'T. THOSE PLAYERS THAT CAN, HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO MAKE SURE THEY BRING A GENUINE TEAM. ****************************************************** 1. Skunks (hosts) 2. Skunks II (hosts) ------ Teams in Ranking List Top 16: 3. UTI 4. Shotgun 5. Catch 6. Druids 7. Chevron 8. Red I 9. First Touch 10. Headrush 11. VH 12. Red Shift 13. Sneeeky's 14. BAF 15. MMJanitors 16. GBJun 17. Sharks 18. Village People ------------ Teams in order of payment 19. Strange B 20. Chaos 21. Twin Peaks 22. Jedi C 23. Red II 24. Fingers 6 25. Uriel 26. Slipdisc 27. K-Niggets 28. Superfly Waiting List ------------ 1. Nightfever 2. Mud Culture 3. Bliss 4. Seattle team 5. Mad Kows 6. Mohawk MM 7. Killer Dump cheers Si ------------------ Simon Hill 0113 289 0971 amtsjh@amsta.leeds.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Jun 1 11:16:17 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id LAA03394 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 11:10:15 +0100 (BST) Received: from beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk (beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.129.138]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA03386 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 11:10:13 +0100 (BST) Received: from bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk (bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.64.201]) by beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.8/relay-02) with SMTP id LAA10010 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 11:10:12 +0100 (BST) Received: from ecs.soton.ac.uk (stork) by bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk; Mon, 1 Jun 98 11:07:11 BST Received: (qmail 13101 invoked from network); 1 Jun 1998 10:10:10 -0000 Received: from tarrant.ecs.soton.ac.uk (wp296@152.78.65.120) by stork.ecs.soton.ac.uk with SMTP; 1 Jun 1998 10:10:10 -0000 Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 11:10:09 +0100 (BST) From: Will Parker <wp296@ecs.soton.ac.uk> To: britdisc <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Tour 4 trophy Message-Id: <Pine.LNX.3.96.980601110634.4372A-100000@tarrant.ecs.soton.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk I can't actually remember who won the Southampton tour last year, but I assume it was Shotgun. If it was, you have got the winners trophy in your silverware cabinet somewhere. Could you please make arrangements for someone to bring it to the Headrush tournament (if you are going) and give it to Sonic (Redshift), then we can update the winners list on the trophy. If Shotgun didn't win last year, can whoever did win get the trophy to Sonic. Nice one Cheers Will From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Jun 1 11:36:08 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id LAA06366 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 11:21:40 +0100 (BST) Received: from beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk (beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.129.138]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA06343 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 11:21:35 +0100 (BST) Received: from bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk (bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.64.201]) by beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.8/relay-02) with SMTP id LAA12271 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 11:21:32 +0100 (BST) Received: from ecs.soton.ac.uk (stork) by bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk; Mon, 1 Jun 98 11:18:32 BST Received: (qmail 13221 invoked from network); 1 Jun 1998 10:21:30 -0000 Received: from tarrant.ecs.soton.ac.uk (wp296@152.78.65.120) by stork.ecs.soton.ac.uk with SMTP; 1 Jun 1998 10:21:30 -0000 Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 11:21:29 +0100 (BST) From: Will Parker <wp296@ecs.soton.ac.uk> To: britdisc <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: tour 4 trophy Message-Id: <Pine.LNX.3.96.980601112029.4372F-100000@tarrant.ecs.soton.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Ok, Don't worry about the tour 4 trophy, Apparently Squaddie has nicked it and it's somewhere in Southampton. Sorry to bother everyone Will From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Jun 1 11:41:07 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id LAA10329 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 11:36:51 +0100 (BST) Received: from gw-nl1.philips.com (gw-nl1.philips.com [192.68.44.33]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA10316 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 11:36:49 +0100 (BST) Received: from smtprelay-nl1.philips.com (localhost.philips.com [127.0.0.1]) by gw-nl1.philips.com with ESMTP id MAA26816; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 12:36:43 +0200 (MEST) (envelope-from andy.kayley@soton.sc.philips.com) Received: from mailgate.soton.sc.philips.com (mailgate.soton.sc.philips.com [130.141.89.1]) by smtprelay-nl1.philips.com (8.8.5/8.6.10-1.2.2m-970826) with ESMTP id MAA11980; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 12:36:40 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from king.soton.sc.philips.com ([130.141.7.222]) by mailgate.soton.sc.philips.com (8.6.10/8.6.10-1.001a-24Jul96) with ESMTP id LAA22988; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 11:39:26 +0100 Received: from king (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by king.soton.sc.philips.com (8.6.10/8.6.10-1.001a-24Jul96) with SMTP id LAA05728; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 11:33:59 +0100 Message-ID: <35728397.6AA@soton.sc.philips.com> Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 11:33:59 +0100 From: Andy Kayley <andy.kayley@soton.sc.philips.com> Organization: Philips Semiconductors Ltd. (Southampton) X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (X11; I; HP-UX B.10.20 9000/879) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Will Parker <wp296@ecs.soton.ac.uk> CC: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Re: Tour 4 trophy References: <Pine.LNX.3.96.980601110634.4372A-100000@tarrant.ecs.soton.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Will Parker wrote: > > I can't actually remember who won the Southampton tour last year, but I > assume it was Shotgun. If it was, you have got the winners trophy in your > silverware cabinet somewhere. Could you please make arrangements for > someone to bring it to the Headrush tournament (if you are going) and give > it to Sonic (Redshift), then we can update the winners list on the trophy. > > If Shotgun didn't win last year, can whoever did win get the trophy to > Sonic. > > Nice one > Cheers > Will I think you will find the skunks still have it. Try Squaddie he hoarded it off to his mantle piece. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Andy Kayley, Design Technology Centre, Tel: +44 (0)1703 316410 Philips Semiconductors, Fax: +44 (0)1703 316303 Southampton, SO15 0DJ, UK. email: andy.kayley@soton.sc.philips.com seri : kayley@ukpsshp1 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Jun 1 12:25:41 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id MAA18919 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 12:11:18 +0100 (BST) Received: from dirc.bris.ac.uk (dirc.bris.ac.uk [137.222.10.51]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA18898 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 12:11:14 +0100 (BST) Received: from luna.cs.bris.ac.uk by dirc.bris.ac.uk with SMTP-PRIV (PP) with ESMTP; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 12:11:06 +0100 Received: from tao.cs.bris.ac.uk (tao.cs.bris.ac.uk [137.222.102.3]) by luna.cs.bris.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA24515; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 12:08:43 +0100 (BST) Received: from localhost by tao.cs.bris.ac.uk (8.8.7) id MAA14813; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 12:05:51 +0100 (BST) To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk cc: Andrew Orr-Ewing <A.Orr-Ewing@Bristol.ac.uk> Subject: Attn: Fiesta! v0.2 Reply-To: lafave@cs.bris.ac.uk Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 12:05:51 +0100 Message-ID: <14812.896699151@tao> From: Laura Lafave <lafave@cs.bris.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi everybody, There's only one space left for the Fiesta!. If you want to come to the Fiesta!, let me know. Otherwise, if you don't have a team, but want to play in the Fiesta anyway, email me and I will see what I can do... Apologies to teams that aren't coming to the Fiesta, but I need to pass on some information: * Player packs have been sent. In addition, all the information and maps will be available at the HeadRush web site later this afternoon. http://www.cs.bris.ac.uk/~lafave/ultimate/headrush.html * We need good approximations of how many people will need food. This year, we are having the pub cater the Fiesta. There is a veggie and a non-veggie option. The pub is selling tickets for food: a ticket entitles you to Saturday night dinner *and* Sunday morning breakfast. These tickets cost 8 pounds per person. FYI, the pub regularly caters for big cycle rides -- so they should know how to feed hungry Ultimate players... **** Please, please, please send me a good approximation of the number of people who will need veggie tickets and who will need non-veggie tickets for your team by Wednesday. (If you don't specify between the different tickets, I will assume everyone wants veggie tickets.) Thanks, Laura ---- lafave@cs.bris.ac.uk Department of Computer Science (w) +44-117-954 5213 University of Bristol, BS8 1UB From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Jun 1 12:26:33 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id MAA21555 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 12:23:34 +0100 (BST) Received: from beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk (beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.129.138]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA21544 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 12:23:32 +0100 (BST) Received: from cedar.sucs.soton.ac.uk (cedar.sucs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.128.92]) by beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.8/relay-02) with ESMTP id MAA23303 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 12:23:31 +0100 (BST) Received: from bill (bill.aero.soton.ac.uk [152.78.240.57]) by cedar.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.8/relay-02) with SMTP id MAA14651 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 12:19:16 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <35728E65.5F96@soton.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 12:20:05 +0100 From: Paul Schuricht <P.H.Schuricht@soton.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (X11; I; SunOS 5.5 sun4c) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: BritDisc Mailing List <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Ultimate in Hastings Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi, anyone know of any ultimate in or near Hastings? cheers Paul From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Jun 1 12:30:14 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id MAA22204 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 12:26:32 +0100 (BST) Received: from mps2.leeds.ac.uk (mps2.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.16.22]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA22190 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 12:26:28 +0100 (BST) Received: from south-02.novell.leeds.ac.uk (south-02.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.76.2]) by mps2.leeds.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA09542 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 12:26:27 +0100 (BST) Received: from LUCS-H12/SpoolDir by south-02.novell.leeds.ac.uk (Mercury 1.31); 1 Jun 98 12:26:58 GMT0BST Received: from SpoolDir by LUCS-H12 (Mercury 1.31); 1 Jun 98 12:26:36 GMT0BST From: "Anthony ( Dr. P ) Proctor." <phs6amp@SOUTH-02.NOVELL.LEEDS.AC.UK> Organization: University of Leeds To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 12:26:11 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Calling all Yorkshire folk ! X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.54) Message-ID: <1B22D32366@south-02.novell.leeds.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi there Dr.P. from Jedi in Leeds here. I will be here in sunny Leeds in July and August over the summer and I am trying to organise some practices, so if anyone is interested and is going to be nearby... Sheffield, Bradford, York, Hull, or even in Leeds around this time let me know and we can sort something out. I can be contacted at the address below until 31st June. Dr. P. Anthony ( Dr. P ) Proctor. Secretary, LUU Ultimate Frisbee Club. 52 Melville Place, Leeds. LS6 2LZ. Tel ; ( 0113 ) 234 - 2043. E - mail ; phs6amp@leeds.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Jun 1 12:45:49 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id MAA23935 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 12:32:53 +0100 (BST) Received: from pp2.shef.ac.uk (pp2.shef.ac.uk [143.167.1.32]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA23927 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 12:32:51 +0100 (BST) Received: from snailsden.shef.ac.uk [143.167.123.251] by pp2.shef.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.73 #1) id 0ygSpe-0002Vn-01; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 12:32:50 +0100 Received: from SNAILSDEN/SpoolDir by snailsden.shef.ac.uk (Mercury 1.40); 1 Jun 98 12:32:50 +0100 Received: from SpoolDir by SNAILSDEN (Mercury 1.40); 1 Jun 98 12:32:46 +0100 From: "Vegi nuggets with Ketchup" <ECA95TDB@sheffield.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 12:32:40 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: LUS - league, I won't be there for a bit! X-mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.31 Message-ID: <28953853EFD@snailsden.shef.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk > Team A > Terry Bonds Thats me! Dear teammates, due to exams (finals! hurrah!) i won't be able to attend league matches until, two weeks, 11th, if thats the thursday. SORRY!!!! I did tell Neil about this, so anyway, I'll see you all later, good luck! The names Bonds..... Terry Bonds From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Jun 1 13:33:13 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id NAA03608 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 13:14:55 +0100 (BST) Received: from ntintel1.webleicester.co.uk ([195.146.160.4]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA03578 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 13:14:45 +0100 (BST) Received: by NTINTEL1 with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id <KZ2SNTCG>; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 13:15:21 +0100 Message-ID: <F0D82C9F1A89D1118B3700E0290F4299084339@NTINTEL1> From: Ian Scotland <Scott@webleicester.net> To: "britdisc (E-mail)" <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: BUF Situations Vacant Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 13:15:18 +0100 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk It is known that the following posts will be vacant this year at the BUF AGM (date yet to be arranged); * BUF National Director * * Director of Competitions * BUF National Director After two years as National Director I will be standing down as I no longer have the time to give to the post and am not doing it justice. Those thinking of putting themselves forward should consider how to deal with the day to day running of the BUF which is currently done through the Finance and General Purposes Committee. Currently all the members (Treasurer, Secretary and ND) of this committee live in Leicester so meetings are easy. Both the treasurer and secretary currently have email so emeetings are an option. However, if a team approach was taken where a National Director, Treasurer and Secretary came forward as a team, the current Treasurer and Secretary would not stand against them. Contact me if you have any questions... Director of Competitions Again after two thoroughly successful years Simon no longer has the time to devote to the post and will be stepping down. He has suggested that the post be split into three as follows; - Director of Competitions - DoC Indoors - Tour Director If you are interested in any of these talk to Simon. Scott ======================================== Ian Scotland - Web Design Manager, WEBLEICESTER E-Mail: scott@webleicester.co.uk http://www.webleicster.co.uk/ Tel: 0116 2230070 From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Jun 1 16:52:47 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id QAA16197 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 16:36:34 +0100 (BST) Received: from pump2.york.ac.uk (pump2.york.ac.uk [144.32.128.12]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA16186 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 16:36:32 +0100 (BST) Received: from clpc01.york.ac.uk (clpc01.york.ac.uk [144.32.66.2]) by pump2.york.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id QAA03470 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 16:36:30 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 16:36:18 +0100 (GMT) From: WALKER THE SMALL <chw101@york.ac.uk> Reply-To: WALKER THE SMALL <chw101@york.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: York Message-ID: <Pine.PCW.3.93.980601163036.8247D-100000@clpc01.york.ac.uk> X-Sender: chw101@pump2.york.ac.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hello, I'm a student in York and am quite distressed that there seems to be no Ultimate team/club. I am in contact with quite a handful of people who would also be very enthusiastic about playing properly. Is there any one in the York area who is invloved with a squad, or knows enough about Ultimate rules/tactics etc. to help start up a club/uni society. Cheers Catherine Walker [-][-][-][-][-][-][-][-][-][-][-][-][-][-][-][-][-][-][-][-][-][-][-][-] Wickedness is a myth invented by good people to account for the curious attractiveness of others. ~ Oscar Wilde [-][-][-][-][-][-][-][-][-][-][-][-][-][-][-][-][-][-][-][-][-][-][-][-] From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Jun 1 18:49:30 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id SAA10887 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 18:37:32 +0100 (BST) Received: from alpha2.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (alpha2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.2.9]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA10879 for <BRITDISC@CSV.WARWICK.AC.UK>; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 18:37:30 +0100 (BST) From: JN061@mdx.ac.uk Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V5.1-10 #18910) id <01IXQD9FNJNK8XK1HK@mdx.ac.uk> for BRITDISC@CSV.WARWICK.AC.UK; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 18:39:49 BST Received: from mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V5.1-10 #18909) id <01IXQD22IK4Y8ZEM20@mdx.ac.uk> for BRITDISC@CSV.WARWICK.AC.UK; Mon, 01 Jun 1998 18:39:47 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 18:39:47 +0100 (BST) Subject: Chaos tourny To: BRITDISC@csv.warwick.ac.uk Message-id: <01IXQD22IL2S8ZEM20@mdx.ac.uk> X-VMS-To: BRITDISC@CSV.WARWICK.AC.UK MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk A big thanks to David Mackay for the Chaos Tournament report. Nice one Dave, you put it far far better than I would have (in fact I don't think I would have even ATTEMPTED it!!!). I would like to say in addition to Dave's e-mail a huge thanks to all the teams for coming to the tournament and making it one to remember. The weather was fantastic all weekend which was an added bonus. Well done to everyone who run their buts off and played like demons and also to UTT and Shagboys for giving everyone a highly entertaining and well played final. A BIG thanks to Mud Culture for coming all the way from Glasgow (!) and to everyone else who made it a success. See you all (or most) in Southampton. Jo 'from Chaos' From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Jun 2 10:33:04 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id JAA29505 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 09:48:54 +0100 (BST) Received: from ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk (cusexim@ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.6]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA29497 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 09:48:52 +0100 (BST) Received: from caj1.arch.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.34.20]) by ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.927 #1) for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk id 0ygmkT-0003C6-00; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 09:48:49 +0100 Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 09:45:45 GMT From: "Dora A. Kemp" <dak12@cam.ac.uk> To: <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Cam98 June 6/7 X-Mailer: Mulberry [1.0.1, s/n #10001] X-Authenticated: dak12 by imap.cus.cam.ac.uk X-Licensed-To: University of Cambridge MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <E0ygmkT-0003C6-00@ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi everyone Cam98 is going ahead! If you do not have a team but would like to come we are having a pick-up team which still has spaces available. Please do come. It is a beautiful place with immaculate lined fields, free tea and coffee, on-site bar, evening BBQ to be followed by a punting party on the river Cam. And to top it all off there will be silly games, beer races and a 3-pint challenge back at the fields. Free camping is available at the site for both Friday and Saturday nights. Our web site address is http://wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk/ultimate/cam98/ and includes a location map. If you want to come please email me at this address. See you this weekend! Dora Whatever does good should be held in honour, and the only shame is in doing harm. - Plato McDonald Institute for Archaeological Research Downing Street, Cambridge, England, CB2 3ER (01223) 339336; (01223) 333536 (FAX)/(01223) 339285; dak12@cam.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Jun 2 10:41:13 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id KAA03776 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:32:39 +0100 (BST) Received: from pop.esat.net (ernie.esat.net [192.111.39.10]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA03763 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:32:35 +0100 (BST) Received: from sepro.ie (mailserver.sepro.ie [193.120.132.131]) by pop.esat.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA01982 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:32:28 +0100 Received: from sepro_peterb [192.168.1.106] by sepro.ie [192.168.1.2] with SMTP (MDaemon.v2.7.SP3.R) for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Tue, 02 Jun 1998 10:30:18 +0100 From: "Peter Bennison" <pbennison@sepro.ie> To: "Britdisc" <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Irish and British Ultimate ... Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:30:04 +0100 Message-ID: <000e01bd8e09$06110330$6a01a8c0@sepro_peterb.sepro.ie> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000F_01BD8E11.67D56B30" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Reply-To: pbennison@sepro.ie Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01BD8E11.67D56B30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello britdisc'ers, Sorry to clutter bandwidth with this stuff, but I want to make it clear that the opinions expressed by my fellow teammate, Michael O'Meara in no way reflect those of the Pookas or the Irish Flying Disc Federation. In all the tournaments (both TOUR and non-TOUR) we've been to in the UK, we've found everyone to be helpful and supportive of Irish Ultimate from BUF level right down to individual plays and players. I hope that Mike's earlier posting can be viewed as an expression of frustration on his part that we won't be able to attend Southampton, like many other teams, due to oversubscription. He will be suitably punished (made to play with 130g WhamOs only) until he snaps out of it. Peter Pookas - Dublin Ultimate. ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01BD8E11.67D56B30 Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="Peter Bennison.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Peter Bennison.vcf" BEGIN:VCARD VERSION:2.1 N:Bennison;Peter FN:Peter Bennison ORG:Sepro Telecom International TITLE:Software Developer TEL;WORK;VOICE:+353 1 296 4428 Ext 106 TEL;HOME;VOICE:+353 1 822 3314 TEL;CELL;VOICE:+353 (0)87 234 1035 TEL;WORK;FAX:+353 1 296 4431 ADR;WORK;ENCODING=3DQUOTED-PRINTABLE:;;Unit 4, Floor 1=3D0D=3D0ADundrum = Business Park=3D0D=3D0AWindy Arbour;Dublin;;14;Re=3D public of Ireland LABEL;WORK;ENCODING=3DQUOTED-PRINTABLE:Unit 4, Floor 1=3D0D=3D0ADundrum = Business Park=3D0D=3D0AWindy Arbour=3D0D=3D0ADublin 14=3D =3D0D=3D0ARepublic of Ireland ADR;HOME;ENCODING=3DQUOTED-PRINTABLE:;;2 Ferndale=3D0D=3D0AHuntstown = Glen, Clonsilla;Dublin;;15;Republic of Ireland LABEL;HOME;ENCODING=3DQUOTED-PRINTABLE:2 Ferndale=3D0D=3D0AHuntstown = Glen, Clonsilla=3D0D=3D0ADublin 15=3D0D=3D0ARepublic of Ir=3D eland URL: URL:http://www.sepro.ie EMAIL;PREF;INTERNET:pbennison@sepro.ie REV:19980525T094418Z END:VCARD ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01BD8E11.67D56B30-- From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Jun 2 14:33:33 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id OAA23239 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 14:19:27 +0100 (BST) Received: from pop.esat.net (ernie.esat.net [192.111.39.10]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA23220 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 14:19:21 +0100 (BST) Received: from sepro.ie (mailserver.sepro.ie [193.120.132.131]) by pop.esat.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA12155 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 14:19:14 +0100 Received: from sepro_peterb [192.168.1.106] by sepro.ie [192.168.1.2] with SMTP (MDaemon.v2.7.SP3.R) for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Tue, 02 Jun 1998 14:16:52 +0100 From: "Peter Bennison" <pbennison@sepro.ie> To: "Britdisc" <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: IDGA - Tour dates ... Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 14:16:37 +0100 Message-ID: <000001bd8e28$ac4bd990$6a01a8c0@sepro_peterb.sepro.ie> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01BD8E31.0E168320" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Reply-To: pbennison@sepro.ie Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01BD8E31.0E168320 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit After an impressive start in Glendalough, Co. Wicklow, the next 4 dates in the IDGA (Irish Disc Golf Association) 98 calendar have been set as follows: Tour II Saturday, June 20th Phoneix park, Dublin Tour III Saturday, July 11th, Exeter, UK Tour IV Sunday, July 19th, Boyle, Ireland Tour V Saturday, Aug 1st, Ross On Wye, UK Anyone interested in disc golf can play, at any of the events. Players are expected to pay 15 punts waged/10 punts low-unwaged to the IFDA for the 98 season. Best player awards etc to be awarded at the end of the Tour. E-mail for more information. Interim results to be published after Tour II. Peter ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01BD8E31.0E168320 Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="Peter Bennison.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Peter Bennison.vcf" BEGIN:VCARD VERSION:2.1 N:Bennison;Peter FN:Peter Bennison ORG:Sepro Telecom International TITLE:Software Developer TEL;WORK;VOICE:+353 1 296 4428 Ext 106 TEL;HOME;VOICE:+353 1 822 3314 TEL;CELL;VOICE:+353 (0)87 234 1035 TEL;WORK;FAX:+353 1 296 4431 ADR;WORK;ENCODING=3DQUOTED-PRINTABLE:;;Unit 4, Floor 1=3D0D=3D0ADundrum = Business Park=3D0D=3D0AWindy Arbour;Dublin;;14;Re=3D public of Ireland LABEL;WORK;ENCODING=3DQUOTED-PRINTABLE:Unit 4, Floor 1=3D0D=3D0ADundrum = Business Park=3D0D=3D0AWindy Arbour=3D0D=3D0ADublin 14=3D =3D0D=3D0ARepublic of Ireland ADR;HOME;ENCODING=3DQUOTED-PRINTABLE:;;2 Ferndale=3D0D=3D0AHuntstown = Glen, Clonsilla;Dublin;;15;Republic of Ireland LABEL;HOME;ENCODING=3DQUOTED-PRINTABLE:2 Ferndale=3D0D=3D0AHuntstown = Glen, Clonsilla=3D0D=3D0ADublin 15=3D0D=3D0ARepublic of Ir=3D eland URL: URL:http://www.sepro.ie EMAIL;PREF;INTERNET:pbennison@sepro.ie REV:19980525T094418Z END:VCARD ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01BD8E31.0E168320-- From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Jun 2 15:09:03 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id OAA00436 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 14:48:56 +0100 (BST) Received: from beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk (beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.129.138]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA00409 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 14:48:50 +0100 (BST) Received: from bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk (bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.64.201]) by beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.8/relay-02) with SMTP id OAA12166 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 14:48:49 +0100 (BST) Received: from ecs.soton.ac.uk (stork) by bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk; Tue, 2 Jun 98 14:45:49 BST Received: (qmail 7001 invoked from network); 2 Jun 1998 13:48:48 -0000 Received: from tarrant.ecs.soton.ac.uk (wp296@152.78.65.120) by stork.ecs.soton.ac.uk with SMTP; 2 Jun 1998 13:48:48 -0000 Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 14:48:47 +0100 (BST) From: Will Parker <wp296@ecs.soton.ac.uk> To: britdisc <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Violently Happy Tour 4 entry fee! Message-Id: <Pine.LNX.3.96.980602144608.15821I-100000@tarrant.ecs.soton.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Anyone from Violently happy out there? For some reason I have had two cheques for 70 quid given to me by you guys. The first one was from Mr + Mrs Phillips (if I rememeber properly) which has been payed in already. I also have one from Andrew Hoad, which I'll keep a hold of for know. Please get back to me and tell me wether it is you or me that has made a mistake!!! Will From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Jun 2 17:44:22 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id RAA08829 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:27:56 +0100 (BST) Received: from shrimp.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (ralf@shrimp [137.205.227.130]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA08803 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:27:46 +0100 (BST) Received: (from ralf@localhost) by shrimp.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA19657 for britdisc@csv; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:27:49 +0100 (BST) From: Ralf <ralf@dcs.warwick.ac.uk> Message-Id: <199806021627.RAA19657@shrimp.dcs.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Help needed real BAD! To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:27:49 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL35 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Message-Id: <l03102800b17dda0146bc@[137.205.222.1]> Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:07:38 +0100 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: Dave Neilson <D.P.Neilson@warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Help needed real BAD! Hi BD'ers An opportunity has arisen for a really organised PARTY ANIMAL to make their mark on Ultimate and Disc Golf in Britain: could you organise a BREW-UP IN A PIZZERY? We are urgently looking for somebody (or some group of bodies) who might be willing to take over the organisation of the BFDF Annual Dinner (BAD). The original organiser has had to step down because of other commitments. Ideally, BAD should happen in November 1998, but needs sorting out about now! If you want to know more you can contact myself (D.P.Neilson@warwick.ac.uk) or Andy Cotgreave (acotgreave@rmplc.net). Sam Neilson. ----- End of forwarded message from owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk ----- ____ ____ _ _ ____ .----------------------------------------. _\__ \ _\__ \ / \ / \\__/ | Ranulf Doswell | / \_/ /_ / \_/ \ / / / /___ | Department of Computer Science | \ __ \\ __ \\ \ _\ \\_/ |University of Warwick, COVENTRY, CV4 7AL| \ \ \ \\ \ \ \\ \__/ \\ \ | Phone: 01203 523296 Fax: 01203 525714 | \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \______/ \_/ `----------------------------------------' From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Jun 2 19:07:47 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id SAA24782 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 18:54:49 +0100 (BST) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA24775 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 18:54:47 +0100 (BST) Received: from ([212.228.22.128]) [212.228.22.128] by post.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0ygvGo-0003pA-00; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:54:47 +0000 X-Sender: jimson@pop3.demon.co.uk Message-Id: <l03130301b199ec3d7022@[212.228.22.128]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 18:54:43 +0100 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: Jim McDonnell <jimbob@jimson.demon.co.uk> Subject: *Message for all VILLAGE PEOPLE* Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Sorry if you're reading this and it doesn't apply. Hey! What are you doing reading this if you're not a Villager anyway? If you're on email and get this and are goint to the Fiesta this weekend then CALL ME now, please. If you know Villagers who aren't on email and you know they're coming or you can phone them to find out then please do it and CALL ME! Ta - Jim Jim McDonnell (0181 444 6371) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Jun 2 19:15:36 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id TAA28390 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 19:13:57 +0100 (BST) Received: from papaya.mail.easynet.net (papaya.mail.easynet.net [195.40.1.40]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA28381 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 19:13:55 +0100 (BST) Received: (qmail 7755 invoked from network); 2 Jun 1998 18:13:55 -0000 Received: from larry.texcel.co.uk (HELO texcel.co.uk) (195.40.103.11) by papaya.mail.easynet.net with SMTP; 2 Jun 1998 18:13:55 -0000 Received: from dreamer.demon.co.uk by texcel.co.uk (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id TAA01437; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 19:13:47 +0100 Message-ID: <357440DB.3B82BAE7@dreamer.demon.co.uk> Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 19:13:47 +0100 From: Neil Travers <neil@dreamer.demon.co.uk> Organization: Home(ish) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.5 sun4d) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: BritDisc <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: LUS - this week A v C Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Last weeks LUS league game was won by Team B: Team A 11 - 15 Team B This week is Team A v Team C. A few extra players turned up last week or have contacted me since, so the teams have grown slightly. I'll have new team sheets on thursday. Everyone else is welcome to play in the pickup game. -- Neil Travers - home <neil@dreamer.demon.co.uk> Fluid Druids, UK http://www.dreamer.demon.co.uk/ London Ultimate Session From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Jun 3 20:24:22 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id UAA24447 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 20:07:37 +0100 (BST) Received: from mercury.ukc.ac.uk (mercury.ukc.ac.uk [129.12.21.10]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA24436 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 20:07:33 +0100 (BST) Received: from snipe.ukc.ac.uk by mercury.ukc.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Wed, 3 Jun 1998 20:07:03 +0100 Received: from pcrcp028.ukc.ac.uk by snipe.ukc.ac.uk (SMI-8.6/UKC-2.14) id UAA20281; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 20:07:00 +0100 From: eh23 <eh23@ukc.ac.uk> Reply-To: eh23@ukc.ac.uk To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Message-ID: <SIMEON.9806032000.P@pcrcp028.ukc.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 20:07:00 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: Simeon for Win32 Version 4.1.2 Build (29) X-Authentication: none MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk please add Emma Howlett: eh23@ukc.ac.uk as another contact for Toxic Ninja Attack. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Jun 4 13:09:14 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id MAA25315 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 12:51:08 +0100 (BST) Received: from inetsvr.merchants.co.uk (inetsvr.merchants.co.uk [194.193.200.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA25257 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 12:50:54 +0100 (BST) Received: from [201.1.3.159] by inetsvr.merchants.co.uk (NTMail 3.02.13) with ESMTP id ha097741 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 12:54:35 +0100 Message-ID: <357698AC.6EE3@merchants.co.uk> Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 12:53:04 +0000 From: Patrick Winser <patrick.winser@merchants.co.uk> Reply-To: patrick.winser@merchants.co.uk Organization: Merchants X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: GB People going to Minneapolis References: <35601C0F.5B6D9D29@mailbox.dsnet.it> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi there I have got a group booking to the US leaving the 14 back the 23rd. There is maybe at least 1 space and it could be up to 3 spaces depending on a couple of juniors getting there on their own. The cost is £556.50 all inclusive. Si Hill I am already including you and Jackie. Please get back to me asap as I have to confirm the booking by Friday but would like to get it sorted by today if possible. I would need £85 deposit asap as it is all going on Visa right now. Patch From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Jun 5 12:49:04 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id MAA16400 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 12:34:37 +0100 (BST) Received: from dryctnath.mmu.ac.uk (dryctnath.mmu.ac.uk [149.170.190.134]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA16386 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 12:34:30 +0100 (BST) Received: from yorktown.mmu.ac.uk ([149.170.132.252]) by dryctnath.mmu.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #2) for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk id 0yhulO-00068G-00; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 12:34:26 +0100 Received: from MMU-HOL-YORKTOWN/SpoolDir by yorktown.mmu.ac.uk (Mercury 1.31); 5 Jun 98 12:34:27 GMT Received: from SpoolDir by MMU-HOL-YORKTOWN (Mercury 1.31); 5 Jun 98 12:33:58 GMT From: "Lawrence PAULSON" <L.Paulson@mmu.ac.uk> Organization: Manchester Metropolitan University To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 12:33:56 +GMT Subject: Anagrams X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <6D731270CFC@yorktown.mmu.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi folks, Because it's so quiet on here, and because I'm very bored at work, and because I found a cool website http://www.tf.hut.fi/mask/ag here some amusing examples of anagrams for y'all... Being partisan I started with Fingers Six, but that only produced one that was slightly amusing: Sex Firings So I moved onto the other Manc team and that produced some very interesting results: Chevron Action Flash Shaven Raccoon Filth Final Hootch Caverns Frontal Inches Havoc Carnival Hoof Stench Crotch Navel Fashion and my favourite... Oversoft Anal Clinch Broadening it out- I tried Ultimate Frisbee and got: Sub-Rate Lifetime Baser Futile Time Feet Limit Abuser Busier Fetal Time Bruise Female Tit (!) Beer Imitates Flu (reminds me of some Sunday mornings I've had) and if only Ultimate frisbee was spelt Ultimate frisbEEE Suitable Free Time I then moved onto the BUF and that made some quite appropriate ones: British Ultimate Federation Halftime Tea Redistribution Tearful Bitterish Mediation Attribute Halftime Derision Their Unformatted Abilities Irrefutable Shit Meditation and quite scarily... Iodine Mutilates Afterbirth So there we have it. I really don't want to start a new thread on Britdisc with this, and I'm sure there are some much better ones out there. Love & Luck, Lawrence Paulson Prunes Allowance ------------------------------------ l.paulson@mmu.ac.uk or lpaulson@postmaster.co.uk ------------------------------------- From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Jun 5 12:49:14 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id MAA17650 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 12:40:22 +0100 (BST) Received: from charon.cargill.com (charon.cargill.com [167.136.225.225]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA17590 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 12:40:17 +0100 (BST) From: Andy_Lucey@cargill.com Received: from hermes.cargill.com (hermes.cargill.com [167.136.226.140]) by charon.cargill.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA10222 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 06:39:46 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lonn.cgo.cargill.com (lonn.cgo.cargill.com [172.31.59.51]) by hermes.cargill.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id GAA14890 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 06:39:45 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost by lonn.cgo.cargill.com (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA29401; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 12:38:43 +0100 X-Openmail-Hops: 1 Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 12:38:26 +0100 Message-Id: <H00000e302a3d74e@MHS> Subject: junior ultimate Mime-Version: 1.0 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; name="cc:Mail" Content-Disposition: inline; filename="cc:Mail" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk I have had an enquiry from Ealing Health and Raquet Club in London re Ultimate. They would like a team or some individuals to stage an ultimate demo there as they are interested in trying to start a junior club team. Not knowing how the BUF is equipped to deal with such requests ( i would hope they are ) who is best placed to deal with this opportunity? From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Jun 5 12:52:09 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id MAA19665 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 12:49:08 +0100 (BST) Received: from lynx.europe.shiva.com (lynx.europe.shiva.com [134.191.64.5]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA19630 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 12:49:03 +0100 (BST) Received: from edhub.europe.shiva.com (edhub.europe.shiva.com [134.191.64.228]) by lynx.europe.shiva.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA20839; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 12:47:44 +0100 (BST) Received: by edhub.europe.shiva.com(Lotus SMTP MTA SMTP MTA v1.1.04 (495.1 10-24-1997)) id 8025661A.00408BD3 ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 12:45:00 +0100 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SHIVA From: "Andrew Wilson"<agw@europe.shiva.com> To: L.Paulson@mmu.ac.uk cc: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Message-ID: <80256629.0040F27C.00@edhub.europe.shiva.com> Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 12:50:37 +0100 Subject: Re: Anagrams Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk >and if only Ultimate frisbee was spelt Ultimate frisbEEE It is in Edinburgh :-) Miggins SnEEEkys From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Jun 5 15:49:33 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id PAA25601 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 15:34:59 +0100 (BST) Received: from sparc.isl.net (root@sparc.isl.net [199.3.25.3]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA25570 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 15:34:56 +0100 (BST) Received: from infonet.isl.net (hd66-051.hil.compuserve.com [199.174.246.51]) by sparc.isl.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA10048 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 09:34:46 -0500 (CDT) Posted-Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 09:34:46 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <357810A1.AC1646C7@infonet.isl.net> Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 09:37:06 -0600 From: james e moore <moore@sparc.isl.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Ultimate pickup Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hello, I'll be visiting the UK this summer. June 8th and 29th, and would like to pickup some play. Staying in Brighton but able and willing to get to ur location. The rest of the summer will be various dates and days. Pls help. thanks, Jim Moore moore@infonet.isl.net Rugrats, Rochester, Mn US From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Jun 5 16:20:54 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id QAA04007 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 16:08:00 +0100 (BST) Received: from beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk (beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.129.138]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA03985 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 16:07:52 +0100 (BST) Received: from bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk (bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.64.201]) by beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.8/relay-02) with SMTP id QAA22786 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 16:07:51 +0100 (BST) Received: from ecs.soton.ac.uk (stork) by bright.ecs.soton.ac.uk; Fri, 5 Jun 98 16:04:50 BST Received: (qmail 26036 invoked from network); 5 Jun 1998 15:07:49 -0000 Received: from tarrant.ecs.soton.ac.uk (wp296@152.78.65.120) by stork.ecs.soton.ac.uk with SMTP; 5 Jun 1998 15:07:49 -0000 Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 16:07:49 +0100 (BST) From: Will Parker <wp296@ecs.soton.ac.uk> To: britdisc <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Tour 4 Payments Message-Id: <Pine.LNX.3.96.980605160241.19181A-100000@tarrant.ecs.soton.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Sorry to bother everyone, but I haven't heard from Who-T-I Blue Arse Flies Sharks Uriel Slipdisc about their 70 pound payment for Tour 4. Do these teams wan't to go? Ifyou do, send the money ASAP (Cheque to "SU Frisbee" Au Frisbee, Southampton Uni, Highfield, Southampton SO17 1BJ) or at least come up with a bad excuse for why you can't pay on time. There are plenty of other teams that can pay on time and want to come to the tournament. Thanks Will From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Jun 5 16:23:15 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id QAA06933 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 16:20:37 +0100 (BST) Received: from amsta.leeds.ac.uk (amsta.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA06914 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 16:20:33 +0100 (BST) Received: from mobius.leeds.amsta (mobius.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.65]) by amsta.leeds.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA04985 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 16:21:25 +0100 (BST) Received: by mobius.leeds.amsta (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id QAA14754; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 16:21:29 +0100 Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 16:21:29 +0100 From: amtsjh@amsta.leeds.ac.uk (S J Hill) Message-Id: <199806051521.QAA14754@mobius.leeds.amsta> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Tour IV X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk > Sorry to bother everyone, but I haven't heard from > > Who-T-I > Blue Arse Flies > Sharks > Uriel > Slipdisc > > about their 70 pound payment for Tour 4. > > Do these teams wan't to go? Ifyou do, send the money ASAP (Cheque to "SU > Frisbee" Au Frisbee, Southampton Uni, Highfield, Southampton SO17 1BJ) or > at least come up with a bad excuse for why you can't pay on time. There > are plenty of other teams that can pay on time and want to come to > the tournament. WILL HAS ALREADY ASKED ABOUT TEAMS THAT HAVEN'T BEEN IN TOUCH. ONCE SHOULD BE ENOUGH. AT LEAST 6 (SIX) TEAMS HAVE BEEN TURNED AWAY FROM THIS EVENT. PLEASE SORT THIS OUT. Si being stroppy From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Jun 5 16:53:50 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id QAA11612 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 16:39:17 +0100 (BST) Received: from www.shuttle.net (root@www.shuttle.net [209.17.143.3]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA11602 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 16:39:13 +0100 (BST) From: fiona@vancourier.com Received: from [209.17.164.227] (227.164.17.209.shuttle.net [209.17.164.227]) by www.shuttle.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA10408 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 08:40:18 -0700 Message-Id: <v01510102b19e6a30b152@[209.17.164.227]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 19:40:11 -0800 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Ultimate in Ireland query Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hullo out there, Can anyone help me? I'm trying to get an e-mail contact for Ultimate in Ireland. Would someone over your way possibly have one. I leave for Ireland June 12. Thanks, Fiona Hughes From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Jun 5 18:23:16 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id SAA28367 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 18:10:48 +0100 (BST) Received: from monsoon.dial.pipex.net (monsoon.dial.pipex.net [158.43.128.69]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA28354 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 18:10:44 +0100 (BST) Received: (qmail 10215 invoked from network); 5 Jun 1998 17:10:43 -0000 Received: from usero694.uk.uudial.com (HELO dial.pipex.com) (193.149.89.202) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 5 Jun 1998 17:10:43 -0000 Message-ID: <35782777.86702C6C@dial.pipex.com> Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 18:14:37 +0100 From: john purdie <jb58@dial.pipex.com> Reply-To: jb58@dial.pipex.com Organization: jb58@dial.pipex.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: britdisc <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: air miles offer for worlds - anyone interested? there's no such thing as a free.... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Mainly applicable to anyone who is yet to buy their ticket to the States. I have enough Virgin airmiles to get a free econ flight when I buy my ticket to USA for this summer's worlds. Here's the deal (as if it needed explaining) = I buy my ticket, you get the "free" ticket and then we split the cost 50/50. Ergo, instead of £550 - £650 we both pay £325 etc etc flexible on dates etc etc anyone interested? ttfn John Purdie From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Jun 5 23:49:20 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id XAA01798 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 23:37:28 +0100 (BST) Received: from epunix.biols.susx.ac.uk (root@epunix.biols.susx.ac.uk [139.184.162.2]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA01791 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 23:37:25 +0100 (BST) Received: from localhost (516 bytes) by epunix.biols.susx.ac.uk via sendmail with P:stdio/R:acukbind/T:smtp (sender: <kevinbr>) (ident <kevinbr> using unix) id <m0yi56q-000BBqC@epunix.biols.susx.ac.uk> for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 23:37:16 +0100 ( BST) (Smail-3.2.0.101 1997-Dec-17 #10 built 1998-Feb-1) Message-Id: <m0yi56q-000BBqC@epunix.biols.susx.ac.uk> From: kevinbr@biols.susx.ac.uk (Kevin Brooks) Subject: Chew Magna. To: moore@sparc.isl.net (james e moore) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 23:37:16 +0100 ( BST) Cc: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <357810A1.AC1646C7@infonet.isl.net> from "james e moore" at Jun 5, 98 09:37:06 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL20] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hey. Anyone on-line who knows directions to/location of Chew Magna tomorrow. Mail soon, please. Locks From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sat Jun 6 09:16:41 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id JAA05971 for britdisc-outgoing; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 09:03:15 +0100 (BST) Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com (imo17.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.39]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA05962 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 09:03:12 +0100 (BST) From: AWorman290@aol.com Received: from AWorman290@aol.com by imo17.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id IXITa05170 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 04:02:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <5e1a304.3578f797@aol.com> Date: Sat, 6 Jun 1998 04:02:30 EDT To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: GB Sponsorship Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0.i for Windows sub 175 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi, I recently had a Hampshire County Countil Sports Bursary application rejected because Ultimate is not recognised by the English Sports Council. Has anyone been successful in gaining recognition or sponsorship from their council? Is there any point pursuing this? I'd really like to hear if anyone has gained this kind of sponsorship.. Diana GB Women From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sat Jun 6 15:32:23 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id PAA05621 for britdisc-outgoing; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 15:18:17 +0100 (BST) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA05614 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 15:18:16 +0100 (BST) Received: from solarfox.demon.co.uk ([194.222.54.251]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa1000859; 6 Jun 98 14:09 GMT Message-ID: <SsIF4FAh5De1Mwc5@solarfox.demon.co.uk> Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 19:52:17 +0100 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: Karl A Guard <karl@solarfox.demon.co.uk> Subject: Exeter MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (32) Version 4.00 beta 1 <9mEP5LxPiZMLZDgplzJnzOvFEc> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Just a quickie... >Is the Exeter Hat tournie still happening?? >Who do I contact?? Many thanks, Karl Phat 'edS -- Karl A Guard karl@solarfox.demon.co.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sun Jun 7 20:06:40 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id TAA22614 for britdisc-outgoing; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 19:46:14 +0100 (BST) Received: from wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk (wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk [131.111.48.24]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA22603 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 19:46:11 +0100 (BST) Received: by wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk (UK-Smail 3.1.25.1/15) id <m0yikSJ-0005UoC@wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk>; Sun, 7 Jun 98 19:46 BST Message-Id: <m0yikSJ-0005UoC@wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk> Date: Sun, 7 Jun 98 19:46 BST From: mackay@mrao.cam.ac.uk (David J.C. MacKay) To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk, frisbee@mrao.cam.ac.uk Subject: cam98 report Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Here's a brief report on the CAM98 tournament, and a discussion of the use of the infera software to make the rankings. A great time was had by all, with excellent spirit, lots of close games, bar and food all day, and four fields which could have passed for snooker tables. The game results are listed below. Whiplash were unbeaten and, with the aid of M.V.P. pickup player Greg Hallam, dominated Night Fever in a hard-fought windy final. Whiplash not only won the tournament but also won SPIRIT. Well done! The remaining teams were ranked using the infera software, http://wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk/ultimate/infera/ which rated the teams in the following order (though some infera ratings were very close): NB, Big Apologies to Reservoir Fish -- I cocked up and mis-entered one score in the computer. You ranked fourth, not fifth as announced at the awards. Sorry! (But 3,4,5 were all very close anyway, as I said before.) # Results and key # 1 wh whiplash (spirit) # 2 nf nightfever # 3 sv strange blue varsity team # 4 rf reservoir fish # 5 mc mud culture # 6 st strange blue townie tax-payers # 7 al albatross # 8 sl southern lights (top junior team) # 9 sd slip disc # 10 dg disc graceful Here are the infera ratings. # Team Infera rating 1 nf 11.1 +/- 0.2 2 wh 10.9 +/- 0.2 3 sv 10.3 +/- 0.2 (10.29 +/- 0.17) 4 rf 10.3 +/- 0.2 (10.27 +/- 0.18) 5 mc 10.2 +/- 0.2 6 st 9.8 +/- 0.2 7 al 9.6 +/- 0.2 8 sl 9.4 +/- 0.2 9 sd 9.3 +/- 0.2 10 dg 9.2 +/- 0.2 Points to note: (for people interested in tournament ranking software) (a) The software rates Whiplash lower than Night Fever even though Whiplash won the final. This is because Night Fever built up an excellent track record on saturday (eg they beat reservoir fish 13-3), whereas Whiplash didn't get such big wins in their games until they picked up three extra players from Prague (2) and Cambridge (1), eg Whiplash beat Mud Culture by only one point, whereas NF beat them 12-4. NF also beat ST by a bigger margin than WH. It is not conventional in ultimate tournaments that a team can lose the 'final' and still have a higher rating, but I think that on reflection it makes sense. Just as Arsenal would have still won the league even if they had lost to Newcastle. (b) Reservoir Fish were unhappy that Strange Blue Varsity were ranked ahead of them given that they had beaten them 12-10. Note first that the rankings are only different in the second decimal place. It would have been best perhaps to declare sv, rf and mc to be 3rd equal but we had got numbered prizes for 3rd, 4th and 5th, so that's why we split this hair! SV presumably clawed back a tiny bit ahead of RF because of their excellent result against Night Fever -- losing 11-9, as compared to RF's 13-3. (c) There are several other controversial points. Mud Culture end up ranked above Strange Blue Townies even though ST beat them 12-9. I think both teams would probably agree that ST were lucky to get that win, and that it would have been predicted to go the other way given how close Mud CUlture had got to Whiplash (11-12). And ST were pulled down by their poor result against the lower-ranking Albatross. Conclusion: If you use software, people will treat its output as controversial. (Especially if you misenter the scores!) But I think that the answers coming out of infera make a lot of sense (if the scores are entered right). The software probably gives the most sensible answers if teams' rosters don't change radically during the tournament. David M. # # individual game results # # saturday # nf 13 al 0 sv 10 rf 12 mc 14 sl 3 sd 10 st 12 nf 13 dg 1 mc 11 wh 12 rf 13 al 3 st 12 sl 9 sv 13 dg 8 nf 13 rf 3 sd 3 wh 12 mc 9 st 12 al 12 dg 7 nf 11 sv 9 sl 3 wh 13 sd 3 mc 13 rf 13 dg 6 sv 13 al 8 st 6 wh 13 sl 13 sd 5 # # sunday # al 8 st 7 rf 11 sl 3 al 10 sd 7 nf 12 mc 4 dg 7 sl 10 sv 7 wh 12 st 2 rf 5 sv 15 sd 5 dg 7 mc 12 nf 15 st 3 rf 4 wh 14 sv 10 mc 6 al 14 sl 11 dg 6 sd 13 # final nf 9 wh 13 # (I am not sure I got the final score exactly right) DJCM From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sun Jun 7 20:47:18 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id UAA25869 for britdisc-outgoing; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 20:29:15 +0100 (BST) Received: from wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk (wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk [131.111.48.24]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA25856 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 20:29:13 +0100 (BST) Received: by wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk (UK-Smail 3.1.25.1/15) id <m0yil7x-0005UoC@wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk>; Sun, 7 Jun 98 20:29 BST Message-Id: <m0yil7x-0005UoC@wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk> Date: Sun, 7 Jun 98 20:29 BST From: mackay@mrao.cam.ac.uk (David J.C. MacKay) To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: alternative to white lines at tournaments Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi all, have you ever organised a tournament and had difficulty getting white lines done? (eg if the grass is long or covered with dry hay) At CAM98 Miles invented an alternative which I have documented here: http://wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk/ultimate/pics/cam98/ (This page also includes a few pictures of teams at the CAM 98 tournament) Plastic Safety Tape (400m costs about 7 pounds), Plastic loops, and 3 inch nails (every ten yards or so). We used a hammer to get the nails really low in the ground so that a layout would not touch the metal. It worked pretty well. You have to pull the tape really tight, especially if it is windy, and tie it down lots in the front of endzone. It took us about half an hour for two people to make one field's lines. With the spare tape you have just the right amount to make a DDC pitch. David From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Jun 8 08:08:49 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id HAA02350 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 07:47:03 +0100 (BST) Received: from gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (ralf@gem [137.205.227.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA02345 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 07:47:02 +0100 (BST) Received: (from ralf@localhost) by gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA20401 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 07:47:01 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 07:47:01 +0100 (BST) From: Ranulf Doswell <ralf@dcs.warwick.ac.uk> Message-Id: <199806080647.HAA20401@gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: BFDF Events Reminder Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk British Flying Disc Federation Disc Events Diary ------------------------------------------------ The events list can also be found at http://www.dcs.warwick.ac.uk/~ralf/bfdf/ ---------- Saturday 13th June 1998 GB Training (Open and Women) (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Quarry Park, Warwickshire [Golf] Saturday 20th June 1998 Tour IV (2 days) @ Southampton [Outdoor Ultimate] TD Tim Woolford Email tww93si@soton.ac.uk Saturday 27th June 1998 Exeter Hat Tournament (2 days) @ Double Locks, Exeter [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Sue Farley Email ma95smf@exeter.ac.uk Junior Outdoors (2 days) @ Adam's Grammar School, Newport, Shropshire [Junior Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Rowena Gill Email maths.adamsg@mail.adamsg.rmplc.co.uk Saturday 4th July 1998 GB Training (Open and Women) (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 11th July 1998 Tour V (2 days) @ Double Locks, Exeter [Outdoor Ultimate] TD Kevin Lowe Email kevinl@curved-logic.com Saturday 18th July 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Whitcombe, Dorset [Golf] Date reserved (2 days) Saturday 25th July 1998 GB Training (Open and Women) (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 1st August 1998 Ross-On-Wye (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 8th August 1998 GB Training (Open and Women) (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Friday 14th August 1998 Worlds (10 days) [Outdoor Ultimate Abroad] Saturday 15th August 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Essex University [Golf] Sunday 16th August 1998 DDC Tournament (1 day) [Outdoor DDC] Contact Mark Jefferson Email Mark.Jj@btinternet.com Saturday 22nd August 1998 Something Fun (2 days) @ Hitchin, Herts [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Saturday 29th August 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) TBC @ Perth or Edinburgh [Golf] Friday 11th September 1998 BUF Open (3 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 19th September 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Burnlaw, Horthumberland [Golf] Saturday 26th September 1998 Nationals 98 (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 24th October 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Whitcombe, Dorset [Golf Handicap] ---------------------------------------------------------- British Flying Disc Federation Disc Events Diary http://www.dcs.warwick.ac.uk/~ralf/bfdf/ Ranulf Doswell, ralf@dcs.warwick.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Jun 8 10:52:15 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id KAA24901 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 10:38:09 +0100 (BST) Received: from dirc.bris.ac.uk (dirc.bris.ac.uk [137.222.10.51]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA24849 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 10:38:02 +0100 (BST) Received: from luna.cs.bris.ac.uk by dirc.bris.ac.uk with SMTP-PRIV (PP) with ESMTP; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 10:37:57 +0100 Received: from tao.cs.bris.ac.uk (tao.cs.bris.ac.uk [137.222.102.3]) by luna.cs.bris.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA10428; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 10:34:10 +0100 (BST) Received: from localhost by tao.cs.bris.ac.uk (8.8.7) id KAA02424; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 10:31:09 +0100 (BST) Cc: Andrew Orr-Ewing <A.Orr-Ewing@Bristol.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Fiesta! report Reply-To: lafave@cs.bris.ac.uk Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 10:31:07 +0100 Message-ID: <2421.897298267@tao> From: Laura Lafave <lafave@cs.bris.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi everybody, Just a quick email with the results from the HeadRush Fiesta!. Summary: it was rather windy. 1. Clapham Bullfrogs 2. UTI 3. Catch 22 4. Chevron AF 5. HeadRush 6. Druids 7. First Touch and Blue Arse Flies (tied) 9. Sneeekys (plate winners) 10. Red Shift 11. Village People 12. Lurkers 13. Superfly The spirit votes were tied between Superfly and Chevron. After considering their contribution to the party and the limbo competition, spirit was awarded to Superfly! We had a great time organising the tournament, and we hope everyone who attended enjoyed it. Laura From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Jun 8 14:39:43 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id OAA11637 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 14:24:45 +0100 (BST) Received: from papaya.mail.easynet.net (papaya.mail.easynet.net [195.40.1.40]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA11625 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 14:24:43 +0100 (BST) Received: (qmail 15239 invoked from network); 8 Jun 1998 13:24:42 -0000 Received: from larry.texcel.co.uk (HELO texcel.co.uk) (195.40.103.11) by papaya.mail.easynet.net with SMTP; 8 Jun 1998 13:24:42 -0000 Received: from dreamer.demon.co.uk by texcel.co.uk (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id OAA28240; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 14:24:10 +0100 Message-ID: <357BE5F9.4BFE3495@dreamer.demon.co.uk> Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 14:24:09 +0100 From: Neil Travers <neil@dreamer.demon.co.uk> Organization: Home(ish) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.5 sun4d) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: BritDisc <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: LUS: week 3 - B v C Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Last week team A beat team C. Team A 15 - 10 Team C This week (thurs 11th) is Team B v Team C to complete the first round of 3 games. -- Neil Travers - home <neil@dreamer.demon.co.uk> London Ultimate Session From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Jun 8 16:54:36 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id QAA11415 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 16:40:52 +0100 (BST) Received: from send1e.yahoomail.com (send1e.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.64]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA11375 for <Britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 16:40:37 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <19980608153910.19302.rocketmail@send1e.yahoomail.com> Received: from [194.125.22.14] by send1e; Mon, 08 Jun 1998 08:39:10 PDT Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 08:39:10 -0700 (PDT) From: "Michael O'Meara" <meehaulomeara@yahoo.com> Subject: Carpe Discum V1 March - May 98 (Irish Frisbee) To: Eurodisc@ira.uka.de, Britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk, nz-ultimate@albatross.co.nz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Copyrite Simon Cocking May98 Yep 6th Edition, very late, but then you aren't payin' me for this so that's the way it goes. St Patricks Day Yep, we were there for " Paddy's Big Day Out" it was a good turnout with plenty of free sandwiches and tea at Bewelys. The gospel was spread to the masses and marked the arrival of Manja our charming multilingual Slovenian addition to the Team. 3rd Dublin Open Biggest turnout ever. 16 Teams with 2 Irish teams taking part. Pookas and UCD. The RAIN chucked down for 3 days preceding and the tournament looked in serious danager 0f being called off due the water logged pitches. We kept our fingers crossed and prayed for good weather. It didn't come so we bought the groundsman a litre of whiskey and he let us play anyway. 4 pools of 4, Pookas won their group and UCD did better than expected to finish 2nd in their group. The Knockout began, Pookas won easily to establish a projected quarter final with UCD. Unfortunately UCD lost a long low scoring game against Whiplash from Warwick and so qualified themselves for he Plate. Play stopped for the Saturday and things moved onto Keatings(Pub) for this years Samba Extravaganza. Things went well and everyone seemed to enjoy themselves befor heading off to various nitespots.Just leaving a little urban inner city friction encounter to be expirenced by the St Andrews Sorcerers team. Sunday. Pookas kept going well until they met St Andrews in the semifinals. 5 Nil down the team began to Play, but the Sorcerers were too good to allow any major comeback and were deserved winners, leaving Pookas to claim a revenge win over last years winners First Touch 11-10 for third place(Played 7 won 6 lost 1)UCD meanwhile had been successful too and reached the plate final. There however they met a too strong Mad Culture from Glasgow and lost to finish a credible 10th/16 (played 7 won 4 lost 3) Sorcerers became the 3rd Team to win the Dublin Open, Easily beating a tired Janitors from Leeds. Players Of The Year The Clubs first Players of the Year Awards for 97/98, Turnout was good and some debate was Sparked by the votes cast and different winners. Here is the final recounted, results. Female of the Year. 1st Heidi, 2nd Jo, 3rd Manja Honourable Mentions Brid, Sally ,Jodie Most Improved Player 1st Johan 2nd Oz/Davin 3rd Neil/Manja Honourable Mentions Billy,Keith,Colin Q,Eoghan,Sally, Ciaran, Andreas. Irish Player of the Year 1st Gareth 2nd Colin 3rd Simon???/Oz 4th Jimmy (the captain of the Ship) Honourable Mentions Ranger Ray, Conor, Neil Best Non Irish Player 1st Simon 2nd Brian Good 3rd Billy/Lou Honourable Mentions Pete, Conan, Tom AGM/Pub Quiz The awards were presented in Brogans Pub and the pub' quiz took place. >From early on leaders Johan's team managed to stage a stunning turn around and finished last. Similarly the pop kids led by Eoghan stormed from behind to take the lead with around to go and do enough to become the first ever frisbee pub quiz winners la la la. From there the evening degenerated and anyone left still standing proceeded to get even more scrambled in Isoldes Tower. Merchandise Pookas Tee Shirts 98' design, Blue with Yellow Ink & Yellow and blue ink Donkey's head design £7 to team, a few assorted sizes left. Pookas Discs £8 Pooka 3 Man Design £7 Fractual Design With Love Mike O'Meara P.S Any team looking for a pickup at Southampton, 4 years expirence,Known to fits of slagging and brings a unique Kiwi flavour to any team. P.S.S This is not a IFDA or IFGA sanctioned article but just bringing a wider picture to frisbee in the wider sense. _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Jun 8 17:42:10 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id RAA22058 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 17:29:34 +0100 (BST) Received: from gw-nl1.philips.com (gw-nl1.philips.com [192.68.44.33]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA22044 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 17:29:32 +0100 (BST) Received: from smtprelay-nl1.philips.com (localhost.philips.com [127.0.0.1]) by gw-nl1.philips.com with ESMTP id SAA22509 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 18:29:18 +0200 (MEST) (envelope-from andy.kayley@soton.sc.philips.com) Received: from mailgate.soton.sc.philips.com (mailgate.soton.sc.philips.com [130.141.89.1]) by smtprelay-nl1.philips.com (8.8.5/8.6.10-1.2.2m-970826) with ESMTP id SAA06615 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 18:29:05 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from pipe.soton.sc.philips.com ([130.141.7.202]) by mailgate.soton.sc.philips.com (8.6.10/8.6.10-1.001a-24Jul96) with ESMTP id RAA26580 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 17:31:48 +0100 Received: from pipe (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pipe.soton.sc.philips.com (8.6.10/8.6.10-1.001a-24Jul96) with SMTP id RAA19677 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 17:25:59 +0100 Message-ID: <357C1096.15C5@soton.sc.philips.com> Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 17:25:58 +0100 From: Andy Kayley <andy.kayley@soton.sc.philips.com> Organization: Philips Semiconductors Ltd. (Southampton) X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (X11; I; HP-UX B.10.20 9000/879) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Insurance for Worlds'98 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk If there is anyone out there who still requires insurance for Worlds '98 let me know asap if you are interested in a group deal. I have only just received the quote asked for ages ago. For a group of 10 or more it is 36 quid complete cover. Travel insurance, medical insurance , injury during competition insurance. However at least ten people are required, this can be any one from any of the teams which are going. Cheers Andy -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Andy Kayley, Design Technology Centre, Tel: +44 (0)1703 316410 Philips Semiconductors, Fax: +44 (0)1703 316303 Southampton, SO15 0DJ, UK. email: andy.kayley@soton.sc.philips.com seri : kayley@ukpsshp1 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Jun 8 18:11:21 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id RAA27360 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 17:55:17 +0100 (BST) Received: from alpha2.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (alpha2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.2.9]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA27343 for <BRITDISC@CSV.WARWICK.AC.UK>; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 17:55:12 +0100 (BST) From: JN061@mdx.ac.uk Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V5.1-10 #18910) id <01IY03TGOJFK8XO8F0@mdx.ac.uk> for BRITDISC@CSV.WARWICK.AC.UK; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 17:57:32 BST Received: from mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V5.1-10 #18909) id <01IY03TA5FWI90N7A5@mdx.ac.uk> for BRITDISC@CSV.WARWICK.AC.UK; Mon, 08 Jun 1998 17:57:31 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 17:57:31 +0100 (BST) Subject: One for the road... To: BRITDISC@csv.warwick.ac.uk Message-id: <01IY03TA5GUC90N7A5@mdx.ac.uk> X-VMS-To: BRITDISC@CSV.WARWICK.AC.UK MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk From: IN%"jacquiw@plunket.org.nz" 8-JUN-1998 01:09:49.53 To: IN%"CraigC@healthotago.co.nz", IN%"j.abernethy@ppcs.co.nz", IN%"JN061@mdx.ac.uk", IN%"suey@healthotago.co.nz", IN%"VineiceaJ@healthotago.co.nz" CC: Subj: FW: Prince and the Princess Return-path: <jacquiw@plunket.org.nz> Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V5.1-10 #18910) id <01IXZ4N1EF408XOQEE@mdx.ac.uk> for JN061@mdx.ac.uk; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 01:09:48 BST Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (hub.mdx.ac.uk) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V5.1-10 #18910) with ESMTP id <01IXZ4N0Y3EU8XJJ4O@mdx.ac.uk> for JN061@mdx.ac.uk; Mon, 08 Jun 1998 01:09:47 +0100 (BST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V5.1-10 #18911) id <01IXZ4MZ9VHS003IZ4@mdx.ac.uk> for JN061@alpha1.mdx.ac.uk; Mon, 08 Jun 1998 01:09:47 +0100 (BST) Received: from bilbo.plunket.org.nz ([203.97.85.71]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V5.1-10 #18911) with ESMTP id <01IXZ4MVWOMA002D08@mdx.ac.uk> for JN061@alpha1.mdx.ac.uk; Mon, 08 Jun 1998 01:09:45 +0100 (BST) Received: from mail.plunket.org.nz (mail [192.168.0.109]) by bilbo.plunket.org.nz (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA24341 for <JN061@mdx.ac.uk>; Mon, 08 Jun 1998 12:37:30 +1200 Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 12:08:13 +0000 From: jacquiw@plunket.org.nz Subject: FW: Prince and the Princess To: CraigC@healthotago.co.nz, j.abernethy@ppcs.co.nz, JN061@mdx.ac.uk, suey@healthotago.co.nz, VineiceaJ@healthotago.co.nz Message-id: <TFSJPGOQ@plunket.org.nz> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: TFS Gateway /221000000/221041003/221081247/222130631/ Content-type: text/plain ---------- From: Kim Tily Sent: Friday, 5 June 1998 14:43 To: jacquiw; 'ALAN SORRELL'; Stephen Adam Subject: FW: Prince and the Princess ---------- From: Tracey.Ellis@mainland.co.nz Sent: Friday, June 05, 1998 2:34 PM To: Tilly Kim; deanc@wickliffe.co.nz; lynley.amon@kiwidairies.co.nz Subject: Prince and the Princess -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Once upon a time, a beautiful, independent, self assured princess happened upon a frog in a pond. The frog said to the princess, "I was once a handsome prince until an evil witch put a spell on me. One kiss from you and I will turn back into a prince and then we can marry, move into the castle with my mom, and you can prepare my meals, clean my clothes, bear my children and forever feel happy doing so." That night, while the princess dined on frogs legs, she laughed to herself and thought "I don't fucking think so. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Jun 8 18:46:21 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id SAA03846 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 18:34:05 +0100 (BST) Received: from admin.warwick.ac.uk (sigma [137.205.249.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA03529; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 18:31:52 +0100 (BST) Received: from SIGMA/MERCURY by admin.warwick.ac.uk (Mercury 1.21); 8 Jun 98 18:33:29 +0000 Received: from MERCURY by SIGMA (Mercury 1.21); 8 Jun 98 18:33:02 +0000 From: "Derek Robins" <D.J.Robins@admin.warwick.ac.uk> Organization: University of Warwick, CV4 7AL, UK To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 18:32:57 +0000 (GMT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Quarry Park Disc Golf CC: Disc.Golf.Distribution@csv.warwick.ac.uk Message-ID: <A71FAB5331@admin.warwick.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk 4th Quarry Park Open Disc Golf Champiuonship Leamington Spa June 13-14th Registration 9.30 to 10.00 Regular disc golfers and new players are all invited to play in this "A" tier BDGA event. There will be several newcomers to disc golf so don't be shy if you have never been to a tournie before. You can use Ultrastars if you wish. Golf discs will be on sale and if you are a new player you can borrow discs too. The course is set in 15 acres of pasture on the banks of the river Avon. It has been specifically landscaped with 1500 trees and 1km of fencing to create a dedicated disc golf course. There are 18 double chain baskets and the holes average over 90m in length. The exact format has not yet been finalised due to technical problems - my mowing machine is not working and the sheep have not been eating enough !! There will probably be 2 rounds on Sat. and 2 on Sunday plus a 6 hole final. The top whack cost is twelve pounds but less 2 pounds for pre-registered less 2 pounds for unwaged less 2 pounds for tournament virgin less 1 pound for BDGA member Players get free sandwiches and one free can of drink on both days. There will be prizes of free discs for closest to pin, most discs in the river, most OB's etc. Please make your entry fee payable to:- D.J.Robins and send to 50 Spring Lane Kenilworth Warwickshire CV8 2HD Pre-registration not only saves you 2 pounds it helps me ensure there is sufficient food for you!! Unless you feel no pain or are very confident of your accuracy you should consider bringing some long trousers as there is "rough" with nettles and thistles! You are welcome to camp on the course, but be prepared to shoo the sheep away in the morning if they try somewaht clumsily to lick the dew of your tent! Contact me via e-mail or on my home number 01926 864136 Derek From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Jun 8 21:25:57 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id VAA23003 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 21:13:05 +0100 (BST) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA22997 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 21:13:03 +0100 (BST) Received: from ([158.152.203.174]) [158.152.203.174] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yj8Hs-0001eg-00; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 20:13:00 +0000 Subject: London Ultimate on Thursdays Date: Mon, 8 Jun 98 21:13:38 +0100 x-sender: ultimatum@pop3.demon.co.uk x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: Paul Hurt <paul@ultimatum.demon.co.uk> To: "BritDisc" <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Message-Id: <E0yj8Hs-0001eg-00@post.mail.demon.net> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi all. Sorry to bother you all with this... Just wanted to re-iterate how the London Ultimate Session works, as I've had a few people asking if they need to sign up. All you need to do is: Show up on Thursday evening. Play Ultimate. There are always TWO games running simultaneously at LUS - one is a "league" game, the other is a "pickup" game. Anyone and everyone, whatever standard, is welcome to just show up and join in the pickup game. The league game on the other hand is a bit more serious, and for this you need to sign up with Neil Travers (neil@dreamer.demon.co.uk) in advance, who will put you on a team. That's not to say that the pickup game is a "cop-out", it's still a reasonable level game, just a little less intense. We may even get a third, smaller (5-a-side?) game going specifically for less experienced or beginner players, so that they can see much more of the disc than they would in the pickup gmae. If you have friends or collegues who would like to try Ultimate, bring them along. LUS happens at the north-west corner of Clapham Common, from 6:45pm (games start around 7:15) on Thursday nights. We had around forty players down last week. Full info on the web at http://www.kbw.co.uk/shotgun/lus/index.htm Thanks. Paul --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Hurt Editor, Ultimatum Magazine, London, England editor@ultimatum.demon.co.uk Visit Ultimatum Online... http://www.ultimatum.demon.co.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Jun 8 21:27:02 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id VAA23619 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 21:18:41 +0100 (BST) Received: from mail2.lancs.ac.uk (mail2.lancs.ac.uk [148.88.8.13]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA23613 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 21:18:38 +0100 (BST) Received: from mail2.lancs.ac.uk (actually host localhost) by mail2.lancs.ac.uk with Local SMTP (PP); Mon, 8 Jun 1998 21:18:34 +0100 Received: from unixc.lancs.ac.uk (unixc.lancs.ac.uk [148.88.16.116]) by mail2.lancs.ac.uk with SpooMTA 1.23; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 21:18:34 +0000 Received: (from ultimate@localhost) by unixc.lancs.ac.uk (8.8.4/8.6.12) id VAA00606; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 21:18:31 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 21:18:31 +0100 (BST) From: Lancaster Ultimate <ultimate@lancaster.ac.uk> To: britdisc <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Re: cam98 report Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.980608162807.26701B-100000@unixc.lancs.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk On Sun, 7 Jun 1998, David J.C. MacKay wrote: > A great time was had by all, with excellent spirit, lots of > close games, bar and food all day, and four fields which could > have passed for snooker tables. Can't argue with the above however (and no offence is intended here) : "Teams playing in events for which Infera is being used as originally intended should be informed that every point in every game counts towards their inferred ranking" D MacKay This is absolutely essential in order for teams to appreciate that they have to give their best possible performance during all games, if they want a fair ranking on their performance. It seems 'infera' has many advantages when used in certain situations over other formats BUT in some cases it simply is not logical or fair : Having a pool format means that in the majority of cases some pools will be easier than others giving inaccurate 'infera' scores as games will be much closer in some pools. This will be acceptable as long as each team plays every other team - as in a league. In general it seems that 'infera' takes the excitement out of a tournament, as surprise results add to the thrill of a team knocking out a 'better' one. Infera does not allow for this. Clearly with the infera system, a new type of tournament is created, one which essentialy runs to form. I think that it would be good to hear other peoples views on the ways of ranking teams in tournaments. Please don't let me give you the impression that Cam 98 was not enjoyed by the Fish or that the organisation of this event was in any way lacking. It was one of the best tournaments we have attended and certainly our best result. It was just a big disappointment that we were given fifth when we felt we had achieved third. Given the small difference in 'infera' rankings we felt we could have bettered this if the system was made clear to us. Mainly because the only teams to have beaten us were the top two. To be placed below a team who we had beaten (strange blue) who in turn had beaten a team also placed above us seemed unfair. Perhaps if we let the organisors of the World Cup know of this system England may even reach the final. jk A final point to make is the entry of the junior team "Southern Lights" from Brighton. It really is great to see youngsters making an effort to trek across the country under their own steam to enter a tournament. What's even better was their enthusiasm and skills. Good show guys. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Reservoir Fish - Ultimate at Lancaster ultimate@lancaster.ac.uk http://www.lancs.ac.uk/socs/ultimate --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Jun 8 22:13:02 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id WAA28201 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 22:00:23 +0100 (BST) Received: from wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk (bee.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk [131.111.48.99]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA28196 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 22:00:22 +0100 (BST) Received: by wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk (UK-Smail 3.1.25.1/15) id <m0yj91h-00001dC@wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk>; Mon, 8 Jun 98 22:00 BST Message-Id: <m0yj91h-00001dC@wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 8 Jun 98 22:00 BST From: mackay@mrao.cam.ac.uk (David J.C. MacKay) To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Tournament ranking systems Cc: mackay@mrao.cam.ac.uk Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi all, I welcome Reservoir Fish's message about tournament ranking systems. First off, I would like to apologise again to Fish for (a) not making sufficiently clear at CAM98 that all game scores were taken into account in inferring the final ratings; and (b) for cocking up one of the entries in the computer so that the announced rankings were wrong; and (c) for not ensuring that the *closeness* of the ratings was announced: we should really have called it a tie for 3rd place between SBVarsity, Fish and Mud Culture. Here are the correct ratings again: # Team Infera rating 1 nf 11.1 +/- 0.2 2 wh 10.9 +/- 0.2 3 sv 10.3 +/- 0.2 (10.29 +/- 0.17) SBVarsity 4 rf 10.3 +/- 0.2 (10.27 +/- 0.18) Reservoir Fish 5 mc 10.2 +/- 0.2 Mud Culture 6 st 9.8 +/- 0.2 7 al 9.6 +/- 0.2 8 sl 9.4 +/- 0.2 9 sd 9.3 +/- 0.2 10 dg 9.2 +/- 0.2 So, to the discussion: The Fish have hit the nail on the head -- one of the key issues is upsets: `lower' teams ending up above `higher' teams because either (a) they pull off one excellent unexpected win, or (b) because the initial seedings were wrong and put too many good teams in one pool. The question is, what should then happen? In traditional tournament formats, the upset team proceeds to do well in its games in the plate division, say, and maybe wins the plate, and is declared to have come 9th; and everyone suspects that they are actually better overall than the teams in positions 7 and 8. The lucky `lower' team ends up with a nice final rank, and the unlucky higher team, no matter how well they play on sunday, are stuck downstairs. If you like this system, please stick with it and forget about infera. I wrote infera because I thought that this system sometimes was unfair and that there should be an alternative. The idea of infera is to offer an alternative in which a team's ability is evaluated based on *all* its games. So when infera is used, you can survive one upset game as long as you show excellent form in the rest of the tournament. A bit more about infera ----------------------- Infera has the advantage that it can be used with any tournament format. I believe it will give sensible answers in any tournament structure. It does NOT depend on any assumption that pools are equal; it can give ratings to teams that play only a few games (their ratings will have larger error bars on them); it appropriately weights the outcomes of long games more heavily than short games (a 20-10 victory contains a lot more information than a 2-1 victory); and it allows you to invent new tournament formats, in which, for example, not all the games in a round robin need to be played. What I really like about infera is that it rewards the effort of low-ranking teams when they get a few points against teams that they don't beat. If for example, team Fish gets 5 points off Shotgun in a game to 15, and team Blue gets only 1 point in their game with Shotgun, infera infers that Fish is probably a bit better than Blue. In most tournaments, all that effort to get those 5 points just disappears without trace. I think infera is fair. But I agree with the Fish that it removes the epic concept of that crucial single sudden death point that determines whether you go up or down. Yours, David For more about infera , see here: http://wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk/ultimate/infera/ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Jun 9 00:39:26 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id AAA13068 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 00:27:13 +0100 (BST) Received: from tungsten.btinternet.com (tungsten.btinternet.com [194.73.73.81]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA13039 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 00:27:07 +0100 (BST) Received: from btinternet.com [195.99.44.155] by tungsten.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 1.70 #1) id 0yjBIg-0004Pg-00; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 00:26:03 +0100 Message-ID: <MAPI.Id.0016.0061726b2e4a6a203546414330303144@MAPI.to.RFC822> To: britdisc <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mark Jefferson <Mark.Jj@btinternet.com> Subject: Infera / DDC Tournie Date: Mon, 08 Jun 98 23:27:51 +0100 ( + ) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id AAA13045 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi Everyone DDC Tournie news below, but first Cambridge Just adding a few observations to the Infera ranking system debate, but before I do, I'd like to thank Strange Blue again for a fantastic tournament. Thanks for a really memorable weekend (and thanks for the pick-ups!) Anyway, my observation: One of the many reasons why Cam 98 was so enjoyable was the relaxed, informal atmosphere in which it was played, but it was probably also the reason why Infera churned out a few questionable statistics. Our pick-ups joined us at staggered times throughout Saturday and into Sunday, giving us a stronger team each match we played. At the same time I think I'm right in saying that a fair amount of cross-team ringing occured. Another tournament may not have had these things happening, and results would probably have been a little more constant, but to be honest, it wouldn't have been half as much fun. On the whole, I think it's a pretty interesting way of ranking teams and definitely worth trying out again. Anybody thinking of using it in the near future? DDC Tournie The provisional deadline I set (5th June) has passed and I won't be holding the tounie. As it stands, I have only a few entered teams and am not prepared to take a risk that things will improve. This is not such a depressing result, however - despite the dissappointing entry I've had quite a few positive replies from people who, for one reason or another, are unable to attend on the weekend I chose, or who have approached me with words of encouragement. Thanks to those people, and special thanks to those who entered - cheques will be destroyed. This is not the last you will hear of me - I may well try again next season. Bye for now Mark Jefferson Whiplash 14 Troutbeck Peartree Bridge Milton Keynes MK6 3ED 01908 666573 Mark.JJ@btinternet.com From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Jun 9 09:09:19 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id IAA12372 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 08:56:33 +0100 (BST) Received: from gatekeeper.cmht.nwest.nhs.uk (gatekeeper.cmht.nwest.nhs.uk [193.60.159.61]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA12354 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 08:56:29 +0100 (BST) Received: by gatekeeper.cmht.nwest.nhs.uk; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA21642; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 08:44:42 +0100 Received: from pers.cmht.nwest.nhs.uk (pers.cmht.nwest.nhs.uk [159.170.196.35]) by mar003.cmht.nwest.nhs.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA00589; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 09:00:35 +0100 (BST) Received: from MRI_PERS/SpoolDir by pers.cmht.nwest.nhs.uk (Mercury 1.40); 9 Jun 98 08:53:29 BST Received: from SpoolDir by MRI_PERS (Mercury 1.40); 9 Jun 98 08:53:05 BST From: "Harry Golby" <hgolby@pers.cmht.nwest.nhs.uk> Organization: Central Manchester Healthcare Trust To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 08:52:56 BST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: GB - Trent Park This Weekend Cc: D0192558@infotrade.co.uk X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.53/R1) Message-Id: <AD8F5672691@pers.cmht.nwest.nhs.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk As usual - sorry if this is not of interest to you, please get the message out to members of the GB Open squad who are not on Brit Disc. The GB Open Squad session this weekend is to be held in Trent Park (thanks to Colin.) Get there for 1pm Saturday. Bring PEN and PAPER and a TENT. Breakfast and lunch will be laid on for us on Sunday (and refreshments all weekend.) We're arranging some opposition for games on Sunday (and are trying to get in touch with potential opponents parties i.e. members of the wider GB squad who ain't going this year) There MAY be a small charge but it ain't nothing compared to the overall cost of going to Worlds. I don't have any directions - if someone does could they publish them please. Cheers Harry Harry Golby Email:HGOLBY@PERS.CMHT.NWEST.NHS.UK Phone: 0161 276 4904 (W) Fax: 0161 276 4980 From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Jun 9 09:09:51 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id JAA13378 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 09:04:39 +0100 (BST) Received: from bowden.uces.bangor.ac.uk (bowden.bangor.ac.uk [147.143.15.1] (may be forged)) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA13365 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 09:04:37 +0100 (BST) Received: from JEFFPC.uces.bangor.ac.uk by bowden.uces.bangor.ac.uk (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA01041; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 09:04:35 +0100 Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 08:53:46 BST From: Jeff Jackson <j.f.jackson@uces.bangor.ac.uk> Reply-To: j.f.jackson@uces.bangor.ac.uk Subject: Re: GB - Trent Park This Weekend To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Message-ID: <ECS9806090846B@uces.bangor.ac.uk> Delivery-Receipt-To: Jeff Jackson <jfj@uces.bangor.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk On Tue, 9 Jun 1998 08:52:56 BST Harry Golby wrote: > As usual - sorry if this is not of interest to you, please get the > message out to members of the GB Open squad who are not on Brit Disc. > > The GB Open Squad session this weekend is to be held in Trent Park > (thanks to Colin.) > > I don't have any directions - if someone does could they publish > them please. Here are some directions to Trent Park: > Junction 24 off the M25, then take the A111 towards Cockfosters and > Southgate. At the large roundabout (about 3 miles along the A111) take > the first exit which will be the A110 (Bramley Road). Carry on past > Oakwood tube station and then take the first left which is Snakes Lane. > Carry on until you see a car park on the left which is the Southgate > Hockey Club. The turning for Snakes Lane is opposite on Esso petrol > station and is marked Middlesex University. > > The address is Snakes Lane, off Bramley Road, Oakwood, London N14 4XS. Jeff. ------------------------------------------------------------------ Unit for Coastal and Estuarine Studies Tel: +44 (0) 1248 713808 Marine Science Laboratories Fax: +44 (0) 1248 716729 Menai Bridge, Anglesey, Wales, UK Email: jfj@uces.bangor.ac.uk ------------------------------------------------------------------ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Jun 9 10:35:23 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id KAA24921 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 10:19:32 +0100 (BST) Received: from ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk (cusexim@ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.6]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA24916 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 10:19:30 +0100 (BST) Received: from caj1.arch.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.34.20]) by ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.927 #1) for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk id 0yjKYx-0005bM-00; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 10:19:27 +0100 Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 10:17:18 GMT From: "Dora A. Kemp" <dak12@cam.ac.uk> To: <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: CAM 98 X-Mailer: Mulberry [1.0.1, s/n #10001] X-Authenticated: dak12 by imap.cus.cam.ac.uk X-Licensed-To: University of Cambridge MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <E0yjKYx-0005bM-00@ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi all I just wanted to thank everyone again for coming to CAM 98 and making it such a great event. As I said at the ceremony, the effort that you all made to come down to Cambridge was really appreciated. Spirit was great and I hope you will all consider coming back next year. A lot of effort was put into making this tourament an experience to remember and I would like to publicly thank all those who helped, especially David Mackay who dealt with all the scheduling, ranking and scoring and who was always there wandering about the pitches making sure people knew what was going on. Thanks David. I hope you will all spread the word and make CAM 99 even better. Thanks again for a great spirited tournament. Dora Kemp Strange Blue PS. Apologies to Reservoir Fish. The one thing I forgot at the prize giving ceremony was to mention the closeness of places 3 to 5. Sorry. Whatever does good should be held in honour, and the only shame is in doing harm. - Plato McDonald Institute for Archaeological Research Downing Street, Cambridge, England, CB2 3ER (01223) 339336; (01223) 333536 (FAX)/(01223) 339285; dak12@cam.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Jun 9 13:10:23 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id MAA25198 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 12:51:32 +0100 (BST) Received: from relay.bt.net (relay.bt.net [194.72.6.60]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA25169 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 12:51:28 +0100 (BST) Received: from 194.72.246.14 by relay.bt.net with SMTP (PP) using DNS; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 12:49:44 +0100 Received: from 194.72.246.14 ; 9 Jun 1998 12:49:02 Received: from 1.0.0.0 by webserver;Tue, 9 Jun 1998 12:48:49 Received: by usr444.infotrade.co.uk with Microsoft Mail id <01BD93A4.7E44CE40@usr444.infotrade.co.uk>; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 12:45:33 +-100 Message-ID: <01BD93A4.7E44CE40@usr444.infotrade.co.uk> From: NIALL GOGGIN <D0097469@infotrade.co.uk> To: "'britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk'" <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Ladies Hat Tournie - Leics...info needed! Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 12:44:45 +-100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BD93A4.7E559720" Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk ------ =_NextPart_000_01BD93A4.7E559720 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable HELP!!!! My imbecile husband deleted my outgoing mail instead of sending it so I = now have no record of who to mail in respect of this weekend's tournie! Humble apologies for boring the rest of the country with this - I'll be = coming this weekend with 3 other girlies, but I don't know where, when, = how, why, who to tell etc. etc. etc. If someone could rescue me from this little problem ( and perhaps the = marriage as well??!! ) I'd be eternally grateful. Cheers, Loose. Slipdisc. D0097469@infotrade.co.uk PS: I'm probably divorcing him anyway as he recently came home from = Tesco with an Aqua CD!!!!!!!!!!!!! Anyone got any ideas for a humane = way of putting him out of his misery!! ------ =_NextPart_000_01BD93A4.7E559720 Content-Type: application/ms-tnef Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 eJ8+IiILAQaQCAAEAAAAAAABAAEAAQeQBgAIAAAA5AQAAAAAAADoAAEIgAcAGAAAAElQTS5NaWNy b3NvZnQgTWFpbC5Ob3RlADEIAQSQBgCkAQAAAQAAAA0AAAADAAAwBAAAAAsADw4AAAAAAgH/DwEA AABVAAAAAAAAAIErH6S+oxAZnW4A3QEPVAIAAAAAJ2JyaXRkaXNjQGNzdi53YXJ3aWNrLmFjLnVr JwBTTVRQAGJyaXRkaXNjQGNzdi53YXJ3aWNrLmFjLnVrAAAAAB4AAjABAAAABQAAAFNNVFAAAAAA HgADMAEAAAAbAAAAYnJpdGRpc2NAY3N2LndhcndpY2suYWMudWsAAAMAFQwBAAAAAgH5DwEAAABV AAAAAAAAAIErH6S+oxAZnW4A3QEPVAIAAAAAJ2JyaXRkaXNjQGNzdi53YXJ3aWNrLmFjLnVrJwBT TVRQAGJyaXRkaXNjQGNzdi53YXJ3aWNrLmFjLnVrAAAAAAMA/g8GAAAAHgABMAEAAAAdAAAAJ2Jy aXRkaXNjQGNzdi53YXJ3aWNrLmFjLnVrJwAAAAACAQswAQAAACAAAABTTVRQOkJSSVRESVNDQENT Vi5XQVJXSUNLLkFDLlVLAAMAADkAAAAACwBAOgEAAAACAfYPAQAAAAQAAAAAAAAE/lsBBIABACoA AABMYWRpZXMgSGF0IFRvdXJuaWUgLSBMZWljcy4uLmluZm8gbmVlZGVkIQDODQEFgAMADgAAAM4H BgAJAAwALAAtAAIASwEBIIADAA4AAADOBwYACQAMACwALQACAEsBAQmAAQAhAAAARTM1RjU4MTc5 NkZGRDExMUIwNTY0NDQ1NTM1NDAwMDAA2QYBA5AGAHQAAAAGAAAAQAA5AOAVwf+bk70BHgAeDAEA AAAFAAAAU01UUAAAAAAeAB8MAQAAABkAAABEMDA5NzQ2OUBpbmZvdHJhZGUuY28udWsAAAAAQAAH MIDPCZuak70BQAAIMOAVwf+bk70BHgA9AAEAAAABAAAAAAAAAKEY ------ =_NextPart_000_01BD93A4.7E559720-- From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Jun 9 13:14:10 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id NAA29247 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 13:09:55 +0100 (BST) Received: from artemis.le.ac.uk (artemis.le.ac.uk [143.210.16.126]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA29232 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 13:09:51 +0100 (BST) Received: from harrier.le.ac.uk ([143.210.8.56]) by artemis.le.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.90 #3) id 0yjNG8-00013D-00; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 13:12:12 +0100 Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 13:08:40 +0100 (BST) From: "B. Ravilious" <br5@leicester.ac.uk> X-Sender: br5@harrier To: NIALL GOGGIN <D0097469@infotrade.co.uk> cc: Britdisc <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Leicester 'Ladies' Hat Tournament Details In-Reply-To: <01BD93A4.7E44CE40@usr444.infotrade.co.uk> Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.96.980609130406.9624A-100000@harrier> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Here are the details of the Hat tournament. These are also available on the Red website: http://www.ultimateweb.co.uk/red/ Phone Debbie for more details. (OK Lucy?!) 13 and 14 June 1998 Women's Hat Tournament Victoria Park, Leicester Registration on Saturday is from 10.00am to 10.30am with games scheduled to start at 11.00am. (Please register promptly so that teams can be picked by 11.00am!) Approximate times: Saturday 11.00am - 5.00pm Sunday 10.00am - 3.30pm ALL WOMEN PLAYERS WELCOME Players will be asked to class themselves as one of the following: A - Experienced B - Intermediate C - Beginner Teams will then be pulled out of a hat with a similar number of players from each category. This is a great opportunity to play Women's Ultimate, make new friends and improve your game. Please encourage all your friends, whether they have played before or not, to come along. There will be a player fee of 5.00 payable at registration. If you are interested please contact Debbie Mann:- E-mail: dmann@globalnet.co.uk Work: 0116 205 3907 Home: 0116 270 4930 There will be limited accomodation available, but no camping. ================================================================================ Ben Ravilious, (0116) 2559638 home br5@le.ac.uk (0116) 2525824 work ORACLE Trial Playing Ultimate for RED University of Leicester www.ultimateweb.co.uk/red/ ================================================================================ On Tue, 9 Jun 1998, NIALL GOGGIN wrote: > > HELP!!!! > > My imbecile husband deleted my outgoing mail instead of sending it so I now have no record of who to mail in respect of this weekend's tournie! > Humble apologies for boring the rest of the country with this - I'll be coming this weekend with 3 other girlies, but I don't know where, when, how, why, who to tell etc. etc. etc. > If someone could rescue me from this little problem ( and perhaps the marriage as well??!! ) I'd be eternally grateful. > > Cheers, Loose. > Slipdisc. > D0097469@infotrade.co.uk > > PS: I'm probably divorcing him anyway as he recently came home from Tesco with an Aqua CD!!!!!!!!!!!!! Anyone got any ideas for a humane way of putting him out of his misery!! From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Jun 9 15:06:35 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id OAA20368 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 14:51:36 +0100 (BST) Received: from amsta.leeds.ac.uk (amsta.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA20351 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 14:51:32 +0100 (BST) Received: from newton.leeds.amsta (newton.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.64]) by amsta.leeds.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA02001 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 14:52:24 +0100 (BST) Received: by newton.leeds.amsta (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id OAA02226; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 14:52:29 +0100 Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 14:52:29 +0100 From: amtsjh@amsta.leeds.ac.uk (S J Hill) Message-Id: <199806091352.OAA02226@newton.leeds.amsta> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Tour IV X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Final Warning ------------- As far as Will (Tour IV TD) is concerned he hasn't heard from UTI Sharks Uriel Blue Arse Flies Other teams are wanting to play, and this situation is unfair. If these teams have not been in touch with either Will or myself my the end of Wed 10th (tomorrow) they will be out. That includes you too UTI. One of you must have seen the messages. Sharks: Will has had one message saying you are coming - and one saying that you aren't. If you are friendly with people on any of these teams and suspect that they might not be on britdisc then you might like to bring them up to date. There won't be any other warnings. *********************************************************** Could any of the teams that are on the waiting list that are NO LONGER able/willing to come/be considered for Tour IV please let me know also. It looks like for some of you your luck may be in! Si From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Jun 9 16:33:39 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id QAA11043 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 16:14:22 +0100 (BST) Received: from mx2.rmplc.co.uk (tiger.rmplc.co.uk [194.238.48.11]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA11029 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 16:14:18 +0100 (BST) Received: from stn039.rmplc.co.uk (station12.adamsg.rmplc.co.uk [194.238.116.45]) by mx2.rmplc.co.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id PAA02142 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 15:14:01 GMT Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19980609150703.00671624@mail.adamsg.rmplc.co.uk> X-Sender: maths.adamsg@mail.adamsg.rmplc.co.uk (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 16:07:03 +0100 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: Rowena Gill <maths@adamsg.rmplc.co.uk> Subject: Junior outdoors Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk A reminder to all juniors that the Outdoors is on 27/28 June, in Newport, Shropshire. If you have a team that you want to enter, or know of one, please get in touch, and spread the word to other juniors. Rowena Gill 32 Snowdon Way Wolverhampton WV10 6JZ 01902 562115 maths@adamsg.rmplc.co.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Jun 9 18:11:46 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id RAA02157 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 17:57:32 +0100 (BST) Received: from mailrelay2.pfizer.com (pfizergate2.pfizer.com [192.77.198.200]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA02150 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 17:57:28 +0100 (BST) From: Paul_Allen@sandwich.pfizer.com Received: from sdu003.sandwich.pfizer.com by mailrelay2.pfizer.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id MAA16775; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 12:56:56 -0400 Received: from ccmail.sandwich.pfizer.com by sdu003.sandwich.pfizer.com (5.65/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA22465; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 17:57:38 +0100 Received: from san-ima.sandwich.pfizer.com (unverified [168.224.127.203]) by san-mimesweep.sandwich.pfizer.com (Integralis SMTPRS 2.04) with SMTP id <B0001183793@san-mimesweep.sandwich.pfizer.com>; Tue, 09 Jun 1998 17:55:14 +0100 Received: from ccMail by san-ima.sandwich.pfizer.com (IMA Internet Exchange 2.12 Enterprise) id 00112874; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 17:55:52 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 17:55:00 +0100 Message-Id: <00112874.4142@ccmail.sandwich.pfizer.com> Subject: sports supports To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk anybody interested in/need sports supports for injuries... i was very impressed with a recent purchase of a new BioSkin compression shorts/support for help with a groin strain. these supports (for knees and back etc) SEEM to be new to the market and offer better support, less bunching and slipping than neoprene and is also only 1mm thick. of course they are a bit more pricey, knee support from #40-#50 and shorts #50 but are worth it. i got mine from walking/climbing shop called Snow & Rock on mail order no. 01932 569569 ta (no longer so lame) Horse PFIZER CENTRAL RESEARCH ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message and any attachment has been virus checked by the Pfizer Research Sandwich Data Centre. ---------------------------------------------------------------- From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Jun 9 22:31:18 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id WAA07295 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 22:17:05 +0100 (BST) Received: from pathway.btX400.co.uk (pathway.btX400.co.uk [193.113.148.3]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA07285; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 22:17:02 +0100 (BST) X400-Originator: COLIN.WAGSTAFF@TRADEINDEMNITY.btX400.co.uk X400-Recipients: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk , britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk X400-MTS-Identifier: [/PRMD=BT-INTERNET/ADMD=BT/C=GB/;0000430002169848000002L382] X400-Content-Type: P2-1988 (22) Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 18:03:00 +0100 From: WAGSTAFF COLIN <COLIN.WAGSTAFF@TRADEINDEMNITY.btX400.co.uk> To: ", DDA.RFC-822:britdisc(a)csv.warwick.ac.uk, P:BT-INTERNET, A:BT" <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>, ", DDA.RFC-822:britdisc-owner(a)csv.warwick.ac.uk, P:BT-INTERNET" <britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: RE:Tour IV Message-ID: <G500211E366F000001020067A24C042E*@MHS> In-Reply-To: <199806091352.OAA02226@newton.leeds.amsta> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Si, Will & BD, UTI will be at Tour IV. Cheque from Wayne Davey is in the post. Sorry for the cock up, long story etc. We know it's not good enough but.............. O.K. there's no buts (No excuse is good enough) Colin. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Jun 10 00:37:11 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id AAA20697 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 00:25:38 +0100 (BST) Received: from relay.bt.net (relay.bt.net [194.72.6.60]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA20681 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 00:25:35 +0100 (BST) Received: from 194.72.246.14 by relay.bt.net with SMTP (PP) using DNS; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 23:59:30 +0100 Received: from 194.72.246.14 ; 9 Jun 1998 23:58:54 Received: from 1.0.0.0 by webserver;Tue, 9 Jun 1998 23:57:04 Received: by usr411.infotrade.co.uk with Microsoft Mail id <01BD9401.D8D110A0@usr411.infotrade.co.uk>; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 23:53:48 +-100 Message-ID: <01BD9401.D8D110A0@usr411.infotrade.co.uk> From: NIALL GOGGIN <D0097469@infotrade.co.uk> To: "'britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk'" <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: In my defence....... Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 23:53:04 +-100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BD9401.D8DA3860" Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk ------ =_NextPart_000_01BD9401.D8DA3860 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi everyone, Loose's 'imbecile' husband here. I'm not really = an imbecile, I'm really a rather nice c nice chap, if a little computer illiterate and musically challenged, = and anyway if my darling wife had replied to Debbie about Leicester = promptly the problem would not have occured in the first = place!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Long live Aqua. Niall P.S. We have paid for Southampton, the cheque was cashed on Monday = 3/6/98 - wer'e not bad debtors!!!!! ------ =_NextPart_000_01BD9401.D8DA3860 Content-Type: application/ms-tnef Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 eJ8+IjEWAQaQCAAEAAAAAAABAAEAAQeQBgAIAAAA5AQAAAAAAADoAAEIgAcAGAAAAElQTS5NaWNy b3NvZnQgTWFpbC5Ob3RlADEIAQSQBgCkAQAAAQAAAA0AAAADAAAwAwAAAAsADw4AAAAAAgH/DwEA AABVAAAAAAAAAIErH6S+oxAZnW4A3QEPVAIAAAAAJ2JyaXRkaXNjQGNzdi53YXJ3aWNrLmFjLnVr JwBTTVRQAGJyaXRkaXNjQGNzdi53YXJ3aWNrLmFjLnVrAAAAAB4AAjABAAAABQAAAFNNVFAAAAAA HgADMAEAAAAbAAAAYnJpdGRpc2NAY3N2LndhcndpY2suYWMudWsAAAMAFQwBAAAAAgH5DwEAAABV AAAAAAAAAIErH6S+oxAZnW4A3QEPVAIAAAAAJ2JyaXRkaXNjQGNzdi53YXJ3aWNrLmFjLnVrJwBT TVRQAGJyaXRkaXNjQGNzdi53YXJ3aWNrLmFjLnVrAAAAAAMA/g8GAAAAHgABMAEAAAAdAAAAJ2Jy aXRkaXNjQGNzdi53YXJ3aWNrLmFjLnVrJwAAAAACAQswAQAAACAAAABTTVRQOkJSSVRESVNDQENT Vi5XQVJXSUNLLkFDLlVLAAMAADkAAAAACwBAOgEAAAACAfYPAQAAAAQAAAAAAAAD/FsBBIABABUA AABJbiBteSBkZWZlbmNlLi4uLi4uLgDpBQEFgAMADgAAAM4HBgAJABcANQAEAAIANgEBIIADAA4A AADOBwYACQAXADUABAACADYBAQmAAQAhAAAAMTIyRjJDMjFGMUZGRDExMUIwNTY0NDQ1NTM1NDAw MDAAzAYBA5AGAHQAAAAGAAAAQAA5AMCXqVz5k70BHgAeDAEAAAAFAAAAU01UUAAAAAAeAB8MAQAA ABkAAABEMDA5NzQ2OUBpbmZvdHJhZGUuY28udWsAAAAAQAAHMADMAuf2k70BQAAIMMCXqVz5k70B HgA9AAEAAAABAAAAAAAAAMkY ------ =_NextPart_000_01BD9401.D8DA3860-- From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Jun 10 11:05:37 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id KAA12061 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 10:52:20 +0100 (BST) Received: from beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk (beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.129.138]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA12024 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 10:52:15 +0100 (BST) Received: from cedar.sucs.soton.ac.uk (cedar.sucs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.128.92]) by beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.8/relay-02) with ESMTP id KAA19576 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 10:52:13 +0100 (BST) Received: from roger (roger.aero.soton.ac.uk [152.78.240.55]) by cedar.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.8/relay-02) with SMTP id KAA20840 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 10:49:14 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <357E56E6.7299@soton.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 10:50:30 +0100 From: Paul Schuricht <P.H.Schuricht@soton.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (X11; I; SunOS 5.5 sun4c) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: BritDisc Mailing List <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Charlie from Village People Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi BDer's Anyone know how I can contact Charlie from Village People. Cheers Paul From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Jun 10 16:00:27 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id PAA10541 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 15:45:38 +0100 (BST) Received: from ultra2.aber.ac.uk (ultra2.aber.ac.uk [144.124.16.18]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA10532 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 15:45:36 +0100 (BST) Received: from pcedcd.dph.aber.ac.uk (aber.ac.uk) [144.124.48.164] by ultra2.aber.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.80 #1) id 0yjm87-00029P-00; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 15:45:35 +0100 Message-ID: <357F0CD9.8C112029@aber.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 15:46:50 -0700 From: Dinesh Narayan <djn997@aber.ac.uk> Organization: The Integrated Sensors Research Group X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Britdisc <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Bisto want's to play!! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Mornin' disc lovers ..... John Garrett (a.k.a Bisto), he who must always wear white shorts and be obeyed, would like anyone who requires a pick-up at any games or tournaments during summer to get in touch with him. He won't be on email during the summer vacation but his address is below. John Garrett 27 Warren Road, Rugby, Warwickshire CV22 5LQ Tel no:- (01788) 578970 He also asked me to mention if there were any teams in Tour IV who needed an extra player to get hold of him, he would like to play since his team is unable to participate. OK, ta very much, see you all soon Cheers, Den From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Jun 11 07:47:33 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id HAA11068 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 07:31:09 +0100 (BST) Received: from sand.global.net.uk (sand.global.net.uk [194.126.82.9]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA11062 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 07:31:07 +0100 (BST) Received: from default (client1285.globalnet.co.uk [195.147.12.133]) by sand.global.net.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA15723 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 07:31:06 +0100 Message-Id: <199806110631.HAA15723@sand.global.net.uk> From: "Debbie Mann" <dmann@globalnet.co.uk> To: "brit disc" <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Women's Hat Tournament Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 07:34:08 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Debbie has been requested to re-send her Women's Tournament details again, so here you go. Back by popular demand the details: You can also get details on the Red Website: http://www.ultimateweb.co.uk/red/ Richie 13 and 14 June 1998 Women's Hat Tournament Victoria Park, Leicester Registration on Saturday is from 10.00am to 10.30am with games scheduled to start at 11.00am. (Please register promptly so that teams can be picked by 11.00am!) Approximate times: Saturday 11.00am - 5.00pm Sunday 10.00am - 3.30pm ALL WOMEN PLAYERS WELCOME Players will be asked to class themselves as one of the following: A - Experienced B - Intermediate C - Beginner Teams will then be pulled out of a hat with a similar number of players from each category. This is a great opportunity to play Women's Ultimate, make new friends and improve your game. Please encourage all your friends, whether they have played before or not, to come along. There will be a player fee of £5.00 payable at registration. I would appreciate it if people could let me know if they are interested, as I need to tell the council how many pitches to mark out. E-mail: dmann@globalnet.co.uk Work: 0116 205 3907 Home: 0116 270 4930 There will be limited accommodation available, but no camping. Please let me know if you need somewhere to stay and on which night(s). Thanks very much. Hope to hear from/see you on 13/14 June in Leicester. Debbie From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Jun 11 11:17:50 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id LAA15755 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 11:04:42 +0100 (BST) Received: from [137.205.222.1] (mac-wie-31 [137.205.222.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA15747 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 11:04:40 +0100 (BST) X-Sender: serai@mail.csv.warwick.ac.uk Message-Id: <l03102803b1a558c4ea1d@[137.205.222.1]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 10:58:10 +0100 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: Dave Neilson <D.P.Neilson@warwick.ac.uk> Subject: ATTENTION: GB National Squad Organisers (& players) Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk I thought I ought to forward this news from the USA, which came to me via Australia! >I know you are not going this year but I thought you could put this in the >rights hands - as of today [11 June] GB is still not on the list of teams >registered in any division except juniors ... as I know the women are >going then maybe they should do something about it!! > >They can contact Holly at nscsport@citilink.com > >She is very helpful Jackie Potter also writes: >Also do you know a GB player called Joanne Nurney - she has put herself on >the roster for the Australian women's team via the internet. It says she >is from GB. Nice try on her part but it ain't that easy!!!!!!! Jackie Potter can be contacted at: twoofus@matra.com.au THIS IS THE END OF MY PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUCEMENT - SAM ;-) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Jun 11 15:06:30 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id OAA03449 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 14:44:09 +0100 (BST) Received: from gannet.scg.man.ac.uk (gannet.scg.man.ac.uk [130.88.94.110]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA03411 for <Britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 14:44:01 +0100 (BST) Received: from fs1.scg.man.ac.uk [130.88.94.100] by gannet.scg.man.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #4) id 0yk7e4-0007jP-00; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 14:44:00 +0100 Received: from UK-AC-MAN-SCG-FS1/SpoolDir by fs1.scg.man.ac.uk (Mercury 1.31); 11 Jun 98 14:44:20 GMT+1 Received: from SpoolDir by UK-AC-MAN-SCG-FS1 (Mercury 1.21); 11 Jun 98 14:43:55 GMT+1 From: "Ben " <mddpsbs3@fs1.scg.man.ac.uk> Organization: University of Manchester, UK To: Britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 14:43:50 GMT+1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Portugal 98 Reply-to: mddpsbs3@fs1.scg.man.ac.uk X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <2D2C08703F@fs1.scg.man.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi I would just like to ask if any more British people are going to the Tournament in portugal next weekend (18th - 21st June on a beach near Lisbon) I was under the impression that a few brittys were going but have up until now failed to find any!. So if you are a britty and are going, could you contact me! - Although my lack of ability to speak other languges may be saved by some Americans and Canadians! So far there are 3 of us (Britons) that I know of! Cheers Ben . _\|/_ ( * = ) | L | _____( Oh My Head ) \~/ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Jun 12 11:52:47 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id LAA28414 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 11:38:40 +0100 (BST) Received: from amsta.leeds.ac.uk (amsta.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA28405 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 11:38:38 +0100 (BST) Received: from newton.leeds.amsta (newton.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.64]) by amsta.leeds.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA22976 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 11:39:30 +0100 (BST) Received: by newton.leeds.amsta (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA11863; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 11:39:30 +0100 Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 11:39:30 +0100 From: amtsjh@amsta.leeds.ac.uk (S J Hill) Message-Id: <199806121039.LAA11863@newton.leeds.amsta> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: TOUR IV - Mud Culture X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk sorry... can someone from Mud Culture get in touch please? I can't seem to find a contact email for you. Si From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Jun 12 17:09:23 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id QAA01547 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 16:50:04 +0100 (BST) Received: from alpha2.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (alpha2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.2.9]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA01466 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 16:49:40 +0100 (BST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V5.1-10 #18910) id <01IY5MPM0QUO8XJ3C3@mdx.ac.uk> for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 16:52:02 BST Received: from mdx.ac.uk (dyn021-137.mdx.ac.uk) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V5.1-10 #18909) with ESMTP id <01IY5MPLBUNG90NBAU@mdx.ac.uk> for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 16:52:01 +0100 (BST) Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 16:49:36 -0700 From: ROBERT COOPER <RC139@mdx.ac.uk> Subject: Re : could someone from choas please contact me! To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Message-id: <3581BE8F.8ADB98E6@mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win16; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk fi, dan, jo, anyone from choas please can you give me a bell so that i know where practices is on 0181 808 8866 cheers mark <rc139@mdx.ac.uk> From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Jun 12 18:13:22 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id SAA11689 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 18:01:00 +0100 (BST) Received: from papaya.mail.easynet.net (papaya.mail.easynet.net [195.40.1.40]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA11681 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 18:00:58 +0100 (BST) Received: (qmail 24994 invoked from network); 12 Jun 1998 17:00:57 -0000 Received: from larry.texcel.co.uk (HELO texcel.co.uk) (195.40.103.11) by papaya.mail.easynet.net with SMTP; 12 Jun 1998 17:00:57 -0000 Received: from dreamer.demon.co.uk by texcel.co.uk (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id SAA14353; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 18:00:51 +0100 Message-ID: <35815EC3.4CDC1301@dreamer.demon.co.uk> Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 18:00:51 +0100 From: Neil Travers <neil@dreamer.demon.co.uk> Organization: Home(ish) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.5 sun4d) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: BritDisc <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: LUS: B v C result Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Team B 15 - 9 Team C A poor turnout this week (presumably the weather earlier in the afternoon and the world cup were the main reasons), only 7 per team in the league game and 8 others who played hotbox. Next week Team A v Team C, hopefully more people will make it. -- Neil Travers - home <neil@dreamer.demon.co.uk> Fluid Druids, UK http://www.dreamer.demon.co.uk/ London Ultimate Session From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sun Jun 14 10:58:12 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id KAA13555 for britdisc-outgoing; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 10:41:13 +0100 (BST) Received: from wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk (wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk [131.111.48.24]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA13550 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 10:41:11 +0100 (BST) Received: by wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk (UK-Smail 3.1.25.1/15) id <m0yl9Hi-0005UpC@wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk>; Sun, 14 Jun 98 10:41 BST Message-Id: <m0yl9Hi-0005UpC@wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk> Date: Sun, 14 Jun 98 10:41 BST From: mackay@mrao.cam.ac.uk (David J.C. MacKay) To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: lost property cam98 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk The following short sleeved t-shirts remained after CAM98. 1. sleeveless orange and black shirt 2. off-white t-shirt (found at sunday morning's fields) with german label inside 3. Croatia t-shirt, brand new, white. 4. Dark blue worlds 95 shirt xl 5. Red Bears t shirt xl --- and from regionals 97 we still have 6. grey t shirt with FORCE blue logo. Please claim them by email to me, otherwise Oxfam gets it. ==== PROMOTE JUNIOR ULTIMATE ==== David -------------------------------------------------------------------------- David J.C. MacKay email: mackay@mrao.cam.ac.uk www: http://wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk/mackay/ Cavendish Laboratory, tel: (01223) 339852 fax: 354599 home: 740511 Madingley Road, international code: +44 1223 Cambridge CB3 0HE. U.K. room: 961 Rutherford Building ---------note NEW home phone number, 740511, or x40511 from Univ. network From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sun Jun 14 14:50:38 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id OAA27746 for britdisc-outgoing; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 14:29:02 +0100 (BST) Received: from exeter.ac.uk (hermes.ex.ac.uk [144.173.6.14]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA27740 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 14:29:01 +0100 (BST) Received: from p0119 [144.173.93.119] by hermes via SMTP (OAA27476); Sun, 14 Jun 1998 14:28:53 +0100 (BST) From: Sue Farley <S.M.Farley@exeter.ac.uk> Reply-To: S.M.Farley@exeter.ac.uk To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Exeter Hat 27/28th June Message-ID: <SIMEON.9806141437.C@p0116.ex.ac.uk> Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 14:27:37 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time) Read-Receipt-To: Sue Farley <S.M.Farley@exeter.ac.uk> Disposition-Notification-To: Sue Farley <S.M.Farley@exeter.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Simeon for Win32 Version 4.1.2 Build (29) X-Authentication: IMSP MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk To all those who have expressed an interest in coming down to Exeter over the weekend of the 27.28th June as well as eveyone who is free that weekend and wishes to play some fun ulitmate. The play will start on Saturday morning. camping is as usual at the DOuble Lock s pub, so if you'd like to come down on the Friday night you are very welcome. They serve food there and we are planning on having light refreshements near to the pitches. If you would like to play over the weekend then please let me know as we are unsure as yet how many pitches to book. The cost of the tournament is Five pounds, which will go on some few admin costs, prizes and the rest will go to charity. (We are thinking of leavimg the decission of who this will be to the winning team). Please send your cheques payale to Uriel Ultimate Frisbee 8 Jubilee Road Exeter EX1 2HU or e-mail me and let us know that you are coming!. Please spread the word about the tournament, the more the merrier!. If you need any more info, maps, etc the just e-mails. Hopee you see you all soon Sue ---------------------- Sue Farley University of Exeter From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sun Jun 14 15:34:19 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id PAA01885 for britdisc-outgoing; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 15:13:01 +0100 (BST) Received: from wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk (wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk [131.111.48.24]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA01880 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 15:13:00 +0100 (BST) Received: by wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk (UK-Smail 3.1.25.1/15) id <m0ylDWl-0005UpC@wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk>; Sun, 14 Jun 98 15:12 BST Message-Id: <m0ylDWl-0005UpC@wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk> Date: Sun, 14 Jun 98 15:12 BST From: mackay@mrao.cam.ac.uk (David J.C. MacKay) To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: more lost/found: sweater Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Sorry, one more piece of clothing found in cambridge: ugly grey "pacino" sweater. David -------------------------------------------------------------------------- David J.C. MacKay email: mackay@mrao.cam.ac.uk www: http://wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk/mackay/ Cavendish Laboratory, tel: (01223) 339852 fax: 354599 home: 740511 Madingley Road, international code: +44 1223 Cambridge CB3 0HE. U.K. room: 961 Rutherford Building ---------note NEW home phone number, 740511, or x40511 from Univ. network From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sun Jun 14 23:04:37 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id WAA07975 for britdisc-outgoing; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 22:52:46 +0100 (BST) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA07965 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 22:52:41 +0100 (BST) Received: from (phidelta.demon.co.uk) [158.152.248.177] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0ylKhZ-0005mi-00; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 21:52:38 +0000 Message-ID: <E5L4iAA3bCh1EwnN@phidelta.demon.co.uk> Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 20:39:35 +0100 To: BritDisc <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> From: Wayne Retter <wayne@phidelta.demon.co.uk> Subject: "Davd Lloyd Lifestyle" Magazine excerpt MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Trial Version 3.04 <pjZRgFWDsQK5ViyP$l4rxVrb6a> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Excerpt from "Sand Hassle" by Richard Fincher, reviewing potential summertime beach activities (Beach Volleyball; Power Kiting; Frisbee; Parascending), appearing in the Summer98 edition of David Lloyd Lifestyle magazine (free with July/August 1998GQ Active): Frisbee There is one essential about playing with a frisbee - whatever your intentions about 'chucking it gently', it will always end up covering more beach than a crashing airliner. Which means, of course, that you are the most hated person on the beach - trampling across sandcastles, tartan rugs and diminutive dogs before being snared in a windbreak isn't the most suitable behaviour for a grown adult. Technique is your only saviour and, once mastered, astounded beach-goers will marvel at your back-hander and forgive all when you knock over their coolbox of San Miguel. Frisbee skill is all in the wrist, which is why blokes can hurl one tens of metres with the merest flick. Catching said projectile is a slightly different proposition; if your hand is too taught it will ping off into a tearful child's ice-cream, too loose and it'll flop pathetically to the floor. Somewhere in between is what's required - you may suffer a little bruising, but it wouldn't be a proper sport if there wasn't some pain. You can add a team-sport element by playing a glorified form of piggy- in-the-middle. Or draw up a court and play a frisbee version of American Football - when you catch it you stop and pass to a team-mate, when you pass it to someone in the 'in-zone', you score. Wow! If you're really bothered about your seaside popularity, then it may be prudent to avoid the backhand bouncer. This involves throwing the frisbee underhand straight into the sand with such force that it bounces up again, sending a shower of sand into anyone who thought that if they ignore you, you;d just go away. [picture of late 20s male laying out for a catch over roughly knee deep (?) water] Thought you may be interested... or not! Wayne ---------------------------------------------------------------- Wayne Retter at home: 01737-242109 wayne@phidelta.demon.co.uk at work: 01737-273611 wayne_retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Jun 15 07:58:36 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id HAA04937 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 07:47:04 +0100 (BST) Received: from gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (ralf@gem [137.205.227.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA04932 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 07:47:02 +0100 (BST) Received: (from ralf@localhost) by gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA14796 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 07:47:02 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 07:47:02 +0100 (BST) From: Ranulf Doswell <ralf@dcs.warwick.ac.uk> Message-Id: <199806150647.HAA14796@gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: BFDF Events Reminder Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk British Flying Disc Federation Disc Events Diary ------------------------------------------------ The events list can also be found at http://www.dcs.warwick.ac.uk/~ralf/bfdf/ ---------- Saturday 20th June 1998 Tour IV (2 days) @ Southampton [Outdoor Ultimate] TD Tim Woolford Email tww93si@soton.ac.uk Saturday 27th June 1998 Exeter Hat Tournament (2 days) @ Double Locks, Exeter [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Sue Farley Email ma95smf@exeter.ac.uk Junior Outdoors (2 days) @ Adam's Grammar School, Newport, Shropshire [Junior Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Rowena Gill Email maths.adamsg@mail.adamsg.rmplc.co.uk Saturday 4th July 1998 GB Training (Open and Women) (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 11th July 1998 Tour V (2 days) @ Double Locks, Exeter [Outdoor Ultimate] TD Kevin Lowe Email kevinl@curved-logic.com Saturday 18th July 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Whitcombe, Dorset [Golf] Date reserved (2 days) Saturday 25th July 1998 GB Training (Open and Women) (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 1st August 1998 Ross-On-Wye (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 8th August 1998 GB Training (Open and Women) (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Friday 14th August 1998 Worlds (10 days) [Outdoor Ultimate Abroad] Saturday 15th August 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Essex University [Golf] Sunday 16th August 1998 DDC Tournament (1 day) [Outdoor DDC] Contact Mark Jefferson Email Mark.Jj@btinternet.com Saturday 22nd August 1998 Something Fun (2 days) @ Hitchin, Herts [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Saturday 29th August 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) TBC @ Perth or Edinburgh [Golf] Friday 11th September 1998 BUF Open (3 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 19th September 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Burnlaw, Horthumberland [Golf] Saturday 26th September 1998 Nationals 98 (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 24th October 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Whitcombe, Dorset [Golf Handicap] ---------------------------------------------------------- British Flying Disc Federation Disc Events Diary http://www.dcs.warwick.ac.uk/~ralf/bfdf/ Ranulf Doswell, ralf@dcs.warwick.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Jun 15 10:54:37 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id KAA27988 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 10:40:36 +0100 (BST) Received: from venus.open.ac.uk (venus.open.ac.uk [137.108.143.2]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA27980 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 10:40:34 +0100 (BST) Received: from blake.open.ac.uk by venus with SMTP Local (MMTA v2.2) with ESMTP; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 10:39:56 +0100 Received: from [137.108.24.136] (dhcp-kmi-136.open.ac.uk) by blake.open.ac.uk (Netscape Mail Server v2.0) with ESMTP id AAB10266 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 10:38:40 +0100 X-Sender: john@blake Message-Id: <v03102801b1aa9ce5f0cf@[137.108.24.136]> In-Reply-To: <199806010647.HAA11278@gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 10:43:46 +0100 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: J.B.Domingue@open.ac.uk (John Domingue) Subject: Tour V and World Cup Final Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk suprised no-one's raised this earlier. What arrangements have been made so we can watch the world cup final on the 12th? john (VH) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Jun 15 11:15:49 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id LAA02721 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 11:01:11 +0100 (BST) Received: from inetsvr.merchants.co.uk (inetsvr.merchants.co.uk [194.193.200.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA02706 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 11:01:06 +0100 (BST) Received: from [201.1.3.159] by inetsvr.merchants.co.uk (NTMail 3.02.13) with ESMTP id ia104840 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 11:04:58 +0100 Message-ID: <3584FF83.A0@merchants.co.uk> Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 11:03:32 +0000 From: Patrick Winser <patrick.winser@merchants.co.uk> Reply-To: patrick.winser@merchants.co.uk Organization: Merchants X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Re: Tour V and World Cup Final References: <v03102801b1aa9ce5f0cf@[137.108.24.136]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Pub would seem the obvious answer. Patch From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Jun 15 11:32:26 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id LAA07361 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 11:20:41 +0100 (BST) Received: from mailhost.dircon.co.uk (mailhost.dircon.co.uk [194.112.50.75]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA07251 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 11:20:11 +0100 (BST) Received: from [194.112.54.227] (th-eng03-227.pool.dircon.co.uk [194.112.54.227]) by mailhost.dircon.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA20940; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 11:20:09 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: Tour V and World Cup Final Message-Id: <000000737132980750940@daletaylor.co.uk> From: nolan@daletaylor.co.uk (Nolan Taylor, Dale Taylor Ltd) Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 11:22:20 +0100 Organization: Dale Taylor Ltd X-Mailer: CommuniGate 2.9.8 Reply-To: nolan@daletaylor.co.uk (Nolan Taylor, Dale Taylor Ltd) To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk, J.B.Domingue@open.ac.uk (John Domingue) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk On Mon, Jun 15, 1998, 9:43:46 am GMT John Domingue wrote: >suprised no-one's raised this earlier. What arrangements have been made so >we can watch the world cup final on the 12th? > >john (VH) > > > It has been agreed that the first person to ask brings a telly! (Wide screen & surround sound please John) Cheers Nolan --------------------------------------- Nolan Taylor Dale Taylor Ltd Email: nolan@daletaylor.co.uk Tel: 01323 430700 Fax: 01323 430223 --------------------------------------- From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Jun 15 11:53:23 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id LAA12105 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 11:41:34 +0100 (BST) Received: from dryctnath.mmu.ac.uk (dryctnath.mmu.ac.uk [149.170.190.134]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA12052 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 11:41:22 +0100 (BST) Received: from yorktown.mmu.ac.uk ([149.170.132.252]) by dryctnath.mmu.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #2) for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk id 0ylWhU-0005Ir-00; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 11:41:20 +0100 Received: from MMU-HOL-YORKTOWN/SpoolDir by yorktown.mmu.ac.uk (Mercury 1.31); 15 Jun 98 11:41:18 GMT Received: from SpoolDir by MMU-HOL-YORKTOWN (Mercury 1.31); 15 Jun 98 11:41:17 GMT From: "Lawrence PAULSON" <L.Paulson@mmu.ac.uk> Organization: Manchester Metropolitan University To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 11:41:16 +GMT Subject: Re: Tour V and World Cup Final X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <7C658134D1A@yorktown.mmu.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk > suprised no-one's raised this earlier. What arrangements have been made so > we can watch the world cup final on the 12th? The last time something happened like this in Exeter (the Hat tourney on the same afternoon as the Rugby World Cup final), play stoppped for a couple of hours. I, however, f**ked off to the beech with some team-mates for the afternoon and had a wonderful time. Maybe as a tournament we could do this instead of watching another boring Brazil-Germany final finish 0-0 and be decided on penalties. Come on you Reggae Boyz! Love & Luck, Lawrence Fingers 6 ------------------------------------ l.paulson@mmu.ac.uk or lpaulson@postmaster.co.uk ------------------------------------- From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Jun 15 13:18:51 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id NAA28358 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 13:04:20 +0100 (BST) Received: from beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk (beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.129.138]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA28335 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 13:04:15 +0100 (BST) Received: from cedar.sucs.soton.ac.uk (cedar.sucs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.128.92]) by beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.8/relay-02) with ESMTP id NAA04532 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 13:04:14 +0100 (BST) Received: from moe (moe.aero.soton.ac.uk [152.78.240.163]) by cedar.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.8/relay-02) with SMTP id NAA24942 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 13:03:04 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <35850E0D.32AF@soton.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 13:05:33 +0100 From: Paul Schuricht <P.H.Schuricht@soton.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (X11; I; SunOS 5.5 sun4m) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: BritDisc Mailing List <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Re:Tour V and World Cup Final Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk John Domingue wrote: > > suprised no-one's raised this earlier. What arrangements have been made so > we can watch the world cup final on the 12th? > > john (VH) The World cup final isn't 'till 8pm, either go to a pub in Exeter and watch it, or don't bother watching the Tour V final so you can get home in time. Paul From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Jun 15 13:22:19 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id NAA00588 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 13:14:29 +0100 (BST) Received: from newmail.virgin.net (newmail.virgin.net [194.168.54.44]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA00576 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 13:14:27 +0100 (BST) Received: from default ([194.168.124.84]) by newmail.virgin.net (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO203-101c) ID# 1-55555U125000L125000S0) with SMTP id AAA23680; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 12:14:24 +0000 Message-ID: <3585109A.381C@virgin.net> Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 13:16:26 +0100 From: ADAM <adam.batchelor@virgin.net> Organization: KARTING X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E-VN006 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk CC: eurodisc@ira.uka.de Subject: ross on wye tournament invitation Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Dear peeps, this is the only invitation being issued for the Ross tournament. If you want to enter you need to send a cheque for £112.00 made payable to ADAM BATCHELOR and send to Adam Batchelor The Raceway Bristol Unit 4 Parish Wharf Trading Estate Harbour Road Portishaed Bristol BS20 7DA Entry is on a first come first served basis. We believe we may end up slightly over subscribed. Ross is at the usual site with marginally improved facilities (dont hold your breath!) and is on 1st and 2nd August 1998. Camping is available on site at a further cost of £15.00 per tent per night but the traditional beer race will be free. Love and kisses fatboy (Druids personal trainer) P.S. The camping charge is a gag!!! We want to rip you off, not fleece you of ALL your money. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Jun 15 14:59:43 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id OAA15962 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 14:46:53 +0100 (BST) Received: from pp.dundee.ac.uk (pp.dundee.ac.uk [134.36.2.60]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA15945 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 14:46:51 +0100 (BST) Received: from dundee-dj.dundee.ac.uk by pp.dundee.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Mon, 15 Jun 1998 14:49:08 +0100 Received: from DUNDEE-DJ/SpoolDir by dundee-dj.dundee.ac.uk (Mercury 1.40); 15 Jun 98 14:45:20 +0 Received: from SpoolDir by DUNDEE-DJ (Mercury 1.40); 15 Jun 98 14:45:07 +0 From: Jamie Wilson <J.M.WILSON@dundee.ac.uk> Organization: Dundee University To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 14:45:05 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: The Completed Ultimate Interactive Database In-reply-to: <2421.897298267@tao> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.54) Message-ID: <255A45871FA@dundee-dj.dundee.ac.uk> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-printable to 8bit by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id OAA15949 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Dear Friends Over the last 8 months you have been kind enough to endure my requests for Ulitmate videos, photographs and assorted novelty disc items to help me with my design of an Interactive Database on Ultimate. Many many thanks to those of you who took the time to reply and pass me information. Big cheers to David McKay for getting me some discs and to Publicity Officer Jon Hope at the BUF for his tireless enthusiasm and supply of vids and pics! My four year course is now complete and as I enter the transitional phase between student and "job seeker", I would like to invite anyone who's interested to see just what I have produced. You can either see it at the annual Duncan of Jordanstone College of Art and Design exhibition, currently on here in Dundee open to 9pm each night until closing next Saturday at 2pm. Or you can see it at the New Designers 98 show in the Business Design Centre in Islington, London from 16th to 18th July. Be advised that this is a meat market for employers who come to snap up all the new graduates and I think it costs to get it, about £5, the show in Dundee is free! If you do feel like dropping by, give me a email to say when you're coming and I'll try and meet you. A footnote to those who requested Shooting Sorcerer shirst after the Dublin tourny, many appoligies that I was too busy to make any but I'l try and do them now. Satvik Choti (speling?) of the Bears, please get in touch, I've lost you address. Thanks again to everyone who helped All the very bester A sad to no longer be playing for the Dundee Ultimate Shooting Stars Jester As they say, finish on a song With a tear in my eye and to the tune of Never Ever by All Saints A few things that I had to know Why was I so slow What was it, I was doing wrong And how long could I carry on Was it that I never did enough at practise To guarentee, I wouldn't look an arsey Shout loudly at me get it in my brain And I'll know not to make the same mistakes again You can tell me later Call me on the phone You can write it on BritDisc Anyway I have to know Was my drinking far to light Could I never last the night Don't be subtle, I can't read the signs All I understand is a size 10 up the hind My disc spun My game I raised I remebered All the things my coach said I played for hours I lost my power I couldn't cut Needed to find some space Pick up the pace Learn to run Your stall was to fast And you were to close to me No wonder that you always did D me Back up a little come on be kind Give me space or I'll flash you with my behind I was crazy I was a Shooting Star I played with style and I laid out low and I laid out far Never ever did I ever have a good throw Didn't matter as I had lots of fun though Never ever did my spirit ever go bad I made sure a good laugh was what I alway had Never ever did I ever force a good line I left gaps that weren't really hard to find It doesn't matter if I ever have to travel far I'll always be a Dundee Ultimate Shooting Star Ohhhhhhhhhhh Yeahhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!! Ulrika ka ka ka! From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Jun 15 15:48:15 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id PAA23985 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 15:36:19 +0100 (BST) Received: from hades.ftech.net (hades.ftech.net [212.32.16.136]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA23977 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 15:36:18 +0100 (BST) Received: from server1.paramount.co.uk (pc2.paramoun.ftech.co.uk [195.200.18.131]) by hades.ftech.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA26707 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 15:36:17 +0100 Received: by pc2.paramoun.ftech.co.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id <JR50NXLR>; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 15:37:23 +0100 Message-ID: <15691AE2066BD111914100805FEB4028117C37@pc2.paramoun.ftech.co.uk> From: Peter Harvey <PeterH@paramount.co.uk> To: BritDisc Mailing List <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: RE: Tour V and World Cup Final Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 15:37:18 +0100 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk yeah, the final will probably be all over really quickly anyhow... Harv > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul Schuricht [SMTP:P.H.Schuricht@soton.ac.uk] > Sent: Monday, June 15, 1998 1:06 PM > To: BritDisc Mailing List > Subject: Re:Tour V and World Cup Final > > John Domingue wrote: > > > > suprised no-one's raised this earlier. What arrangements have been > made so > > we can watch the world cup final on the 12th? > > > > john (VH) > > > The World cup final isn't 'till 8pm, either go to a pub in Exeter and > watch it, or don't bother watching the Tour V final so you can get > home in time. > > Paul > From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Jun 15 16:39:57 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id QAA04950 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 16:27:57 +0100 (BST) Received: from papaya.mail.easynet.net (papaya.mail.easynet.net [195.40.1.40]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA04938 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 16:27:55 +0100 (BST) Received: (qmail 15439 invoked from network); 15 Jun 1998 15:27:52 -0000 Received: from larry.texcel.co.uk (HELO texcel.co.uk) (195.40.103.11) by papaya.mail.easynet.net with SMTP; 15 Jun 1998 15:27:52 -0000 Received: from dreamer.demon.co.uk by texcel.co.uk (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id QAA28169; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 16:27:44 +0100 Message-ID: <35853D70.D32F02E1@dreamer.demon.co.uk> Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 16:27:44 +0100 From: Neil Travers <neil@dreamer.demon.co.uk> Organization: Home(ish) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.5 sun4d) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: BritDisc <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: LUS: This week A v B Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk This weeks game is Team A v Team B. I got it wrong in my last email. Sorry, if it confused anyone. The schedule is repeated every 3 weeks, so - A v B 28/05, 18/06, 09/07, 30/07 A v C 04/05, 25/06, 16/07, 06/07 B v C 11/05, 02/06, 23/07, 13/07 -- Neil Travers - home <neil@dreamer.demon.co.uk> London Ultimate Session From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Jun 15 17:04:15 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id QAA09435 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 16:51:22 +0100 (BST) Received: from monsoon.dial.pipex.net (monsoon.dial.pipex.net [158.43.128.69]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA09416 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 16:51:15 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199806151551.QAA09416@pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Received: (qmail 27348 invoked from network); 15 Jun 1998 15:51:14 -0000 Received: from userm583.uk.uudial.com (HELO default) (193.149.79.125) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 15 Jun 1998 15:51:14 -0000 Reply-To: <Matthew.Lowe@dial.pipex.com> From: "Matthew Lowe" <Matthew.Lowe@dial.pipex.com> To: <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Junior Outdoors Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 14:40:48 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi all, If anyone knows of a junior team looking for some extra players for the Junior Outdoors please contact me. My team arn't going but we have about 4 players who are intrested in picking up. Matt Lowe Matthew.Lowe@Dial.Pipex.com From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Jun 15 22:07:28 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id VAA18041 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 21:55:05 +0100 (BST) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA18031 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 21:55:03 +0100 (BST) Received: from (phidelta.demon.co.uk) [158.152.248.177] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0ylgHO-0006ls-00; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 20:55:02 +0000 Message-ID: <btLkjJAUnYh1EwFa@phidelta.demon.co.uk> Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 21:53:40 +0100 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: Wayne Retter <wayne@phidelta.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: Tour V and World Cup Final In-Reply-To: <15691AE2066BD111914100805FEB4028117C37@pc2.paramoun.ftech.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Trial Version 3.04 <pjZRgFWDsQK5ViyP$l4rxVrb6a> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Nah, footy rules say that a match lasts a full 90 minutes... :) Peter Harvey <PeterH@paramount.co.uk> writes >yeah, > >the final will probably be all over really quickly anyhow... > >Harv ---------------------------------------------------------------- Wayne Retter at home: 01737-242109 wayne@phidelta.demon.co.uk at work: 01737-273611 wayne_retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Jun 16 10:08:57 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id JAA10849 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 09:54:47 +0100 (BST) Received: from polaris.kbw.co.uk (kbw.ltd.uk [193.132.201.37]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA10841 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 09:54:45 +0100 (BST) Received: by dns1.kbw.co.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <MKQ38767>; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 09:48:06 +0100 Message-ID: <CA5F61C3CDF7D11186C300A0C997E63D035BCF@dns1.kbw.co.uk> From: Roger Thomson <Roger@kbw.co.uk> To: BritDisc Mailing List <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: RE: Tour V and World Cup Final Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 09:48:04 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Paul, > The World cup final isn't 'till 8pm, either go to a pub in Exeter and > watch it, [Roger Thomson] And not get home until after midnight? Not likely. My car may turn into a large vegetable and travelling companions back into the mongrels they really are. > or don't bother watching the Tour V final so you can get home in time. [Roger Thomson] Easy for a Druid to say, but others of us have less choice. Maybe we should consider scheduling the games earlier on Sunday to ensure we can all get away by 4pm? Shouldn't be too much hassle. As it's the last Tour final, and could be the tie-breaker, it would be a shame to have it hurried or without a crowd because we have shied away from a little organisational effort. Personally I'm desperate to watch USA v Iran this Sunday at 8pm (tehee). What are the Southampton boys doing to ensure we can get away in time? r From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Jun 16 11:16:07 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id LAA23746 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 11:13:26 +0100 (BST) Received: from smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk (smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk [193.114.232.134]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA23732 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 11:13:23 +0100 (BST) From: Wayne_Retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk Received: from ccMail by smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk (IMA Internet Exchange 3.01 Enterprise) id 0000EB94; Tue, 16 Jun 98 11:14:42 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 11:11:48 +0100 Message-ID: <0000EB94.CE21337@watsonwyatt.co.uk> Subject: Re[2]: Tour V and World Cup Final To: BritDisc Mailing List <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Paul Schuricht: > or don't bother watching the Tour V final so you can get home in time. Roger Thomson: > Easy for a Druid to say, but others of us have less choice. [Wayne Retter] Roger, had you not noticed that Sonic hasn't played for Druids for a while? He's been Red Shift all year... Roger Thomson: > Maybe we should consider scheduling the games earlier on Sunday... [Wayne Retter] Can you make it to a 8.30/9.00am semi, and convince everyone else (who'll be camping in a pub garden!) to play early, just so they can get home for the footy? I suspect that moving the Final forward so that some people couldn't watch it ('cos they're still playing) wouldn't go down too well, especially if it's a tie-breaker... but that's all for the TD to decide, though I expect he'd like to see the footy too... Roger Thomson: >Personally I'm desperate to watch USA v Iran this Sunday at 8pm >(tehee). What are the Southampton boys doing to ensure we can get away in >time? [Wayne Retter] Having a tournament 2 hours closer to London, just so you can make it home in time :) Wayne ________________________________________________________________ Notice of Confidentiality This transmission is intended for the named addressee only. It contains information which may be confidential and which may also be privileged. Unless you are the named addressee (or authorised to receive it for the addressee) you may not copy or use it, or disclose it to anyone else. 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Maybe we should re-schedule the final for lunch time to keep everyone happy Fraser (Sneeeky's) ---------- From: Roger Thomson [SMTP:Roger@kbw.co.uk] Sent: 16 June 1998 10:54 To: BritDisc Mailing List Subject: RE: Tour V and World Cup Final Paul, > The World cup final isn't 'till 8pm, either go to a pub in Exeter and > watch it, [Roger Thomson] And not get home until after midnight? Not likely. My car may turn into a large vegetable and travelling companions back into the mongrels they really are. > or don't bother watching the Tour V final so you can get home in time. [Roger Thomson] Easy for a Druid to say, but others of us have less choice. Maybe we should consider scheduling the games earlier on Sunday to ensure we can all get away by 4pm? Shouldn't be too much hassle. As it's the last Tour final, and could be the tie-breaker, it would be a shame to have it hurried or without a crowd because we have shied away from a little organisational effort. Personally I'm desperate to watch USA v Iran this Sunday at 8pm (tehee). What are the Southampton boys doing to ensure we can get away in time? r From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Jun 16 11:16:32 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id LAA23331 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 11:11:26 +0100 (BST) Received: from popmail.dircon.co.uk (popmail.dircon.co.uk [194.112.50.30]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA23310 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 11:11:22 +0100 (BST) Received: (from root@localhost) by popmail.dircon.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.7) id LAA15951 for classa; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 11:11:08 +0100 (BST) Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (daemon@pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk [137.205.192.19]) by popmail.dircon.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA15175; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 11:10:25 +0100 (BST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id LAA21712 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 11:01:50 +0100 (BST) Received: from nevis.kscl.com (nevis.kscl.com [194.159.98.15]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA21701 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 11:01:47 +0100 (BST) Received: from JAKARTA (JAKARTA [194.159.98.73]) by nevis.kscl.com (NTMail 3.02.13) with ESMTP id ra205209 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 10:59:24 +0100 Received: by JAKARTA with Microsoft Mail id <01BD9916.0CAF0990@JAKARTA>; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 11:01:01 +0100 Message-ID: <01BD9916.0CAF0990@JAKARTA> From: Fraser Macrae <fraserm@kscl.com> To: BritDisc Mailing List <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: RE: Tour V and World Cup Final Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 11:02:28 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Envelope-To: <info@class-a.co.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Roger, That's all very well for you to say, but us poor sods in Scotland have an 8 hour drive to get home. Maybe we should re-schedule the final for lunch time to keep everyone happy Fraser (Sneeeky's) ---------- From: Roger Thomson [SMTP:Roger@kbw.co.uk] Sent: 16 June 1998 10:54 To: BritDisc Mailing List Subject: RE: Tour V and World Cup Final Paul, > The World cup final isn't 'till 8pm, either go to a pub in Exeter and > watch it, [Roger Thomson] And not get home until after midnight? Not likely. My car may turn into a large vegetable and travelling companions back into the mongrels they really are. > or don't bother watching the Tour V final so you can get home in time. [Roger Thomson] Easy for a Druid to say, but others of us have less choice. Maybe we should consider scheduling the games earlier on Sunday to ensure we can all get away by 4pm? Shouldn't be too much hassle. As it's the last Tour final, and could be the tie-breaker, it would be a shame to have it hurried or without a crowd because we have shied away from a little organisational effort. Personally I'm desperate to watch USA v Iran this Sunday at 8pm (tehee). What are the Southampton boys doing to ensure we can get away in time? r From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Jun 16 11:17:14 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id LAA21712 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 11:01:50 +0100 (BST) Received: from nevis.kscl.com (nevis.kscl.com [194.159.98.15]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA21701 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 11:01:47 +0100 (BST) Received: from JAKARTA (JAKARTA [194.159.98.73]) by nevis.kscl.com (NTMail 3.02.13) with ESMTP id ra205209 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 10:59:24 +0100 Received: by JAKARTA with Microsoft Mail id <01BD9916.0CAF0990@JAKARTA>; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 11:01:01 +0100 Message-ID: <01BD9916.0CAF0990@JAKARTA> From: Fraser Macrae <fraserm@kscl.com> To: BritDisc Mailing List <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: RE: Tour V and World Cup Final Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 11:02:28 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Roger, That's all very well for you to say, but us poor sods in Scotland have an 8 hour drive to get home. Maybe we should re-schedule the final for lunch time to keep everyone happy Fraser (Sneeeky's) ---------- From: Roger Thomson [SMTP:Roger@kbw.co.uk] Sent: 16 June 1998 10:54 To: BritDisc Mailing List Subject: RE: Tour V and World Cup Final Paul, > The World cup final isn't 'till 8pm, either go to a pub in Exeter and > watch it, [Roger Thomson] And not get home until after midnight? Not likely. My car may turn into a large vegetable and travelling companions back into the mongrels they really are. > or don't bother watching the Tour V final so you can get home in time. [Roger Thomson] Easy for a Druid to say, but others of us have less choice. Maybe we should consider scheduling the games earlier on Sunday to ensure we can all get away by 4pm? Shouldn't be too much hassle. As it's the last Tour final, and could be the tie-breaker, it would be a shame to have it hurried or without a crowd because we have shied away from a little organisational effort. Personally I'm desperate to watch USA v Iran this Sunday at 8pm (tehee). What are the Southampton boys doing to ensure we can get away in time? r From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Jun 16 11:17:24 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id LAA23555 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 11:12:37 +0100 (BST) Received: from popmail.dircon.co.uk (popmail.dircon.co.uk [194.112.50.30]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA23533 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 11:12:34 +0100 (BST) Received: (from root@localhost) by popmail.dircon.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.7) id LAA17434 for inovanet; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 11:12:26 +0100 (BST) Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (daemon@pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk [137.205.192.19]) by popmail.dircon.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA16862; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 11:12:00 +0100 (BST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id LAA23331 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 11:11:26 +0100 (BST) Received: from popmail.dircon.co.uk (popmail.dircon.co.uk [194.112.50.30]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA23310 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 11:11:22 +0100 (BST) Received: (from root@localhost) by popmail.dircon.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.7) id LAA15951 for classa; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 11:11:08 +0100 (BST) Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (daemon@pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk [137.205.192.19]) by popmail.dircon.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA15175; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 11:10:25 +0100 (BST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id LAA21712 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 11:01:50 +0100 (BST) Received: from nevis.kscl.com (nevis.kscl.com [194.159.98.15]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA21701 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 11:01:47 +0100 (BST) Received: from JAKARTA (JAKARTA [194.159.98.73]) by nevis.kscl.com (NTMail 3.02.13) with ESMTP id ra205209 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 10:59:24 +0100 Received: by JAKARTA with Microsoft Mail id <01BD9916.0CAF0990@JAKARTA>; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 11:01:01 +0100 Message-ID: <01BD9916.0CAF0990@JAKARTA> From: Fraser Macrae <fraserm@kscl.com> To: BritDisc Mailing List <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: RE: Tour V and World Cup Final Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 11:02:28 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Envelope-To: <info@class-a.co.uk> X-Envelope-To: <neil.halliday@inovanet.co.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Roger, That's all very well for you to say, but us poor sods in Scotland have an 8 hour drive to get home. Maybe we should re-schedule the final for lunch time to keep everyone happy Fraser (Sneeeky's) ---------- From: Roger Thomson [SMTP:Roger@kbw.co.uk] Sent: 16 June 1998 10:54 To: BritDisc Mailing List Subject: RE: Tour V and World Cup Final Paul, > The World cup final isn't 'till 8pm, either go to a pub in Exeter and > watch it, [Roger Thomson] And not get home until after midnight? Not likely. My car may turn into a large vegetable and travelling companions back into the mongrels they really are. > or don't bother watching the Tour V final so you can get home in time. [Roger Thomson] Easy for a Druid to say, but others of us have less choice. Maybe we should consider scheduling the games earlier on Sunday to ensure we can all get away by 4pm? Shouldn't be too much hassle. As it's the last Tour final, and could be the tie-breaker, it would be a shame to have it hurried or without a crowd because we have shied away from a little organisational effort. Personally I'm desperate to watch USA v Iran this Sunday at 8pm (tehee). What are the Southampton boys doing to ensure we can get away in time? r From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Jun 16 11:17:42 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id LAA23503 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 11:12:24 +0100 (BST) Received: from popmail.dircon.co.uk (popmail.dircon.co.uk [194.112.50.30]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA23497 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 11:12:22 +0100 (BST) Received: (from root@localhost) by popmail.dircon.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.7) id KAA17014 for daltay; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 10:12:18 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (daemon@pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk [137.205.192.19]) by popmail.dircon.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA16862; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 11:12:00 +0100 (BST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id LAA23331 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 11:11:26 +0100 (BST) Received: from popmail.dircon.co.uk (popmail.dircon.co.uk [194.112.50.30]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA23310 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 11:11:22 +0100 (BST) Received: (from root@localhost) by popmail.dircon.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.7) id LAA15951 for classa; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 11:11:08 +0100 (BST) Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (daemon@pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk [137.205.192.19]) by popmail.dircon.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA15175; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 11:10:25 +0100 (BST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id LAA21712 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 11:01:50 +0100 (BST) Received: from nevis.kscl.com (nevis.kscl.com [194.159.98.15]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA21701 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 11:01:47 +0100 (BST) Received: from JAKARTA (JAKARTA [194.159.98.73]) by nevis.kscl.com (NTMail 3.02.13) with ESMTP id ra205209 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 10:59:24 +0100 Received: by JAKARTA with Microsoft Mail id <01BD9916.0CAF0990@JAKARTA>; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 11:01:01 +0100 Message-ID: <01BD9916.0CAF0990@JAKARTA> From: Fraser Macrae <fraserm@kscl.com> To: BritDisc Mailing List <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: RE: Tour V and World Cup Final Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 11:02:28 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Envelope-To: <info@class-a.co.uk> X-Envelope-To: <nolan@daletaylor.co.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Roger, That's all very well for you to say, but us poor sods in Scotland have an 8 hour drive to get home. Maybe we should re-schedule the final for lunch time to keep everyone happy Fraser (Sneeeky's) ---------- From: Roger Thomson [SMTP:Roger@kbw.co.uk] Sent: 16 June 1998 10:54 To: BritDisc Mailing List Subject: RE: Tour V and World Cup Final Paul, > The World cup final isn't 'till 8pm, either go to a pub in Exeter and > watch it, [Roger Thomson] And not get home until after midnight? Not likely. My car may turn into a large vegetable and travelling companions back into the mongrels they really are. > or don't bother watching the Tour V final so you can get home in time. [Roger Thomson] Easy for a Druid to say, but others of us have less choice. Maybe we should consider scheduling the games earlier on Sunday to ensure we can all get away by 4pm? Shouldn't be too much hassle. As it's the last Tour final, and could be the tie-breaker, it would be a shame to have it hurried or without a crowd because we have shied away from a little organisational effort. Personally I'm desperate to watch USA v Iran this Sunday at 8pm (tehee). What are the Southampton boys doing to ensure we can get away in time? r From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Jun 16 11:18:57 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id LAA24115 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 11:15:22 +0100 (BST) Received: from polaris.kbw.co.uk (dns1.kbw.co.uk [193.132.201.37]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA24090 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 11:15:16 +0100 (BST) Received: by dns1.kbw.co.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <MKQ3879N>; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 11:08:36 +0100 Message-ID: <CA5F61C3CDF7D11186C300A0C997E63D035BDB@dns1.kbw.co.uk> From: Roger Thomson <Roger@kbw.co.uk> To: "'Fraser Macrae'" <fraserm@kscl.com>, "'Fraser Macrae'" <fraserm@kscl.com>, "'Fraser Macrae'" <fraserm@kscl.com> Cc: BritDisc Mailing List <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: RE: Tour V and World Cup Final Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 11:08:32 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BD990E.B7C9ACA2" Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------ =_NextPart_000_01BD990E.B7C9ACA2 Content-Type: text/plain Did you mean to stress your argument, or did you get very over-excited on that send button? Please don't waste all our time - did everyone else get 5 of his messages? <<RE: Tour V and World Cup Final>> <<RE: Tour V and World Cup Final>> <<RE: Tour V and World Cup Final>> <<RE: Tour V and World Cup Final>> <<RE: Tour V and World Cup Final>> > -----Original Message----- > From: Fraser Macrae [SMTP:fraserm@kscl.com] > Sent: 16 June 1998 11:02 > To: BritDisc Mailing List > Subject: RE: Tour V and World Cup Final > > Roger, > That's all very well for you to say, but us poor sods in Scotland have an > 8 hour drive to get home. > Maybe we should re-schedule the final for lunch time to keep everyone > happy > Fraser (Sneeeky's) > > ---------- > From: Roger Thomson [SMTP:Roger@kbw.co.uk] > Sent: 16 June 1998 10:54 > To: BritDisc Mailing List > Subject: RE: Tour V and World Cup Final > > Paul, > > > The World cup final isn't 'till 8pm, either go to a pub in Exeter and > > watch it, > [Roger Thomson] And not get home until after midnight? Not likely. > My car may turn into a large vegetable and travelling companions back into > the mongrels they really are. > > or don't bother watching the Tour V final so you can get home in time. > [Roger Thomson] Easy for a Druid to say, but others of us have less > choice. > > Maybe we should consider scheduling the games earlier on Sunday to > ensure we can all get away by 4pm? Shouldn't be too much hassle. As it's > the > last Tour final, and could be the tie-breaker, it would be a shame to have > it hurried or without a crowd because we have shied away from a little > organisational effort. > > Personally I'm desperate to watch USA v Iran this Sunday at 8pm > (tehee). What are the Southampton boys doing to ensure we can get away in > time? > > r > ------ =_NextPart_000_01BD990E.B7C9ACA2 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Description: RE: Tour V and World Cup Final Message-ID: <01BD9916.0CAF0990@JAKARTA> From: Fraser Macrae <fraserm@kscl.com> To: BritDisc Mailing List <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: RE: Tour V and World Cup Final Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 11:02:28 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Roger, That's all very well for you to say, but us poor sods in Scotland have an 8 hour drive to get home. Maybe we should re-schedule the final for lunch time to keep everyone happy Fraser (Sneeeky's) ---------- From: Roger Thomson [SMTP:Roger@kbw.co.uk] Sent: 16 June 1998 10:54 To: BritDisc Mailing List Subject: RE: Tour V and World Cup Final Paul, > The World cup final isn't 'till 8pm, either go to a pub in Exeter and > watch it, [Roger Thomson] And not get home until after midnight? Not likely. My car may turn into a large vegetable and travelling companions back into the mongrels they really are. > or don't bother watching the Tour V final so you can get home in time. [Roger Thomson] Easy for a Druid to say, but others of us have less choice. Maybe we should consider scheduling the games earlier on Sunday to ensure we can all get away by 4pm? Shouldn't be too much hassle. As it's the last Tour final, and could be the tie-breaker, it would be a shame to have it hurried or without a crowd because we have shied away from a little organisational effort. Personally I'm desperate to watch USA v Iran this Sunday at 8pm (tehee). What are the Southampton boys doing to ensure we can get away in time? r ------ =_NextPart_000_01BD990E.B7C9ACA2 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Description: RE: Tour V and World Cup Final Message-ID: <CA5F61C3CDF7D11186C300A0C997E63D02E84D@dns1.kbw.co.uk> From: Fraser Macrae <fraserm@kscl.com> To: BritDisc Mailing List <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: RE: Tour V and World Cup Final Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 11:02:28 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Roger, That's all very well for you to say, but us poor sods in Scotland have an 8 hour drive to get home. Maybe we should re-schedule the final for lunch time to keep everyone happy Fraser (Sneeeky's) ---------- From: Roger Thomson [SMTP:Roger@kbw.co.uk] Sent: 16 June 1998 10:54 To: BritDisc Mailing List Subject: RE: Tour V and World Cup Final Paul, > The World cup final isn't 'till 8pm, either go to a pub in Exeter and > watch it, [Roger Thomson] And not get home until after midnight? Not likely. My car may turn into a large vegetable and travelling companions back into the mongrels they really are. > or don't bother watching the Tour V final so you can get home in time. [Roger Thomson] Easy for a Druid to say, but others of us have less choice. Maybe we should consider scheduling the games earlier on Sunday to ensure we can all get away by 4pm? Shouldn't be too much hassle. As it's the last Tour final, and could be the tie-breaker, it would be a shame to have it hurried or without a crowd because we have shied away from a little organisational effort. Personally I'm desperate to watch USA v Iran this Sunday at 8pm (tehee). What are the Southampton boys doing to ensure we can get away in time? r ------ =_NextPart_000_01BD990E.B7C9ACA2 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Description: RE: Tour V and World Cup Final Message-ID: <01BD9916.0CAF0990@JAKARTA> From: Fraser Macrae <fraserm@kscl.com> To: BritDisc Mailing List <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: RE: Tour V and World Cup Final Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 11:02:28 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Roger, That's all very well for you to say, but us poor sods in Scotland have an 8 hour drive to get home. Maybe we should re-schedule the final for lunch time to keep everyone happy Fraser (Sneeeky's) ---------- From: Roger Thomson [SMTP:Roger@kbw.co.uk] Sent: 16 June 1998 10:54 To: BritDisc Mailing List Subject: RE: Tour V and World Cup Final Paul, > The World cup final isn't 'till 8pm, either go to a pub in Exeter and > watch it, [Roger Thomson] And not get home until after midnight? Not likely. My car may turn into a large vegetable and travelling companions back into the mongrels they really are. > or don't bother watching the Tour V final so you can get home in time. [Roger Thomson] Easy for a Druid to say, but others of us have less choice. Maybe we should consider scheduling the games earlier on Sunday to ensure we can all get away by 4pm? Shouldn't be too much hassle. As it's the last Tour final, and could be the tie-breaker, it would be a shame to have it hurried or without a crowd because we have shied away from a little organisational effort. Personally I'm desperate to watch USA v Iran this Sunday at 8pm (tehee). What are the Southampton boys doing to ensure we can get away in time? r ------ =_NextPart_000_01BD990E.B7C9ACA2 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Description: RE: Tour V and World Cup Final Message-ID: <01BD9916.0CAF0990@JAKARTA> From: Fraser Macrae <fraserm@kscl.com> To: BritDisc Mailing List <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: RE: Tour V and World Cup Final Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 11:02:28 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Roger, That's all very well for you to say, but us poor sods in Scotland have an 8 hour drive to get home. Maybe we should re-schedule the final for lunch time to keep everyone happy Fraser (Sneeeky's) ---------- From: Roger Thomson [SMTP:Roger@kbw.co.uk] Sent: 16 June 1998 10:54 To: BritDisc Mailing List Subject: RE: Tour V and World Cup Final Paul, > The World cup final isn't 'till 8pm, either go to a pub in Exeter and > watch it, [Roger Thomson] And not get home until after midnight? Not likely. My car may turn into a large vegetable and travelling companions back into the mongrels they really are. > or don't bother watching the Tour V final so you can get home in time. [Roger Thomson] Easy for a Druid to say, but others of us have less choice. Maybe we should consider scheduling the games earlier on Sunday to ensure we can all get away by 4pm? Shouldn't be too much hassle. As it's the last Tour final, and could be the tie-breaker, it would be a shame to have it hurried or without a crowd because we have shied away from a little organisational effort. Personally I'm desperate to watch USA v Iran this Sunday at 8pm (tehee). What are the Southampton boys doing to ensure we can get away in time? r ------ =_NextPart_000_01BD990E.B7C9ACA2 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Description: RE: Tour V and World Cup Final Message-ID: <01BD9916.0CAF0990@JAKARTA> From: Fraser Macrae <fraserm@kscl.com> To: BritDisc Mailing List <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: RE: Tour V and World Cup Final Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 11:02:28 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Roger, That's all very well for you to say, but us poor sods in Scotland have an 8 hour drive to get home. Maybe we should re-schedule the final for lunch time to keep everyone happy Fraser (Sneeeky's) ---------- From: Roger Thomson [SMTP:Roger@kbw.co.uk] Sent: 16 June 1998 10:54 To: BritDisc Mailing List Subject: RE: Tour V and World Cup Final Paul, > The World cup final isn't 'till 8pm, either go to a pub in Exeter and > watch it, [Roger Thomson] And not get home until after midnight? Not likely. My car may turn into a large vegetable and travelling companions back into the mongrels they really are. > or don't bother watching the Tour V final so you can get home in time. [Roger Thomson] Easy for a Druid to say, but others of us have less choice. Maybe we should consider scheduling the games earlier on Sunday to ensure we can all get away by 4pm? Shouldn't be too much hassle. As it's the last Tour final, and could be the tie-breaker, it would be a shame to have it hurried or without a crowd because we have shied away from a little organisational effort. Personally I'm desperate to watch USA v Iran this Sunday at 8pm (tehee). What are the Southampton boys doing to ensure we can get away in time? r ------ =_NextPart_000_01BD990E.B7C9ACA2-- From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Jun 16 12:36:52 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id MAA09690 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 12:23:28 +0100 (BST) Received: from shrimp.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (ralf@shrimp [137.205.227.130]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA09673 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 12:23:24 +0100 (BST) Received: (from ralf@localhost) by shrimp.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA03132 for britdisc@csv; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 12:23:24 +0100 (BST) Received: from guardian.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (root@guardian [137.205.224.93]) by src.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA05687 for <ralf@src.dcs.warwick.ac.uk>; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 11:45:01 +0100 (BST) Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk [137.205.192.19]) by guardian.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA06635 for <R.C.Doswell@dcs.warwick.ac.uk>; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 11:45:45 +0100 (BST) Received: from brookes.ac.uk (csmail.brookes.ac.uk [161.73.1.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA01974 for <owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk>; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 11:45:43 +0100 (BST) Received: from 96150340 by brookes.ac.uk (8.8.7/) id LAA08257; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 11:45:43 +0100 (BST) Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 11:45:43 +0100 (BST) From: ferrer jaime <96150340@brookes.ac.uk> Message-Id: <199806161045.LAA08257@brookes.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Brookes Windows Client ver. 4.2b To: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Subject: re: RE: Tour V and World Cup Final Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Will you guys stop it with the bloody messages on the final, choose Ultimate or Football if you can't combine. If you choose football, you are obviously not dedicated enough to Ultimate anyway to participate in the tour. If you choose Ultimate hope to see you at the tour. James (Sharks) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Jun 16 12:38:46 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id MAA11007 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 12:29:51 +0100 (BST) Received: from popmail.dircon.co.uk (popmail.dircon.co.uk [194.112.50.30]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA10991 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 12:29:48 +0100 (BST) Received: (from root@localhost) by popmail.dircon.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.7) id LAA16356 for daltay; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 11:11:37 +0100 (BST) Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (daemon@pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk [137.205.192.19]) by popmail.dircon.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA16213; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 11:11:27 +0100 (BST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id LAA23196 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 11:10:47 +0100 (BST) Received: from popmail.dircon.co.uk (popmail.dircon.co.uk [194.112.50.30]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA23189 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 11:10:45 +0100 (BST) Received: (from root@localhost) by popmail.dircon.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.7) id LAA15364 for daltay; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 11:10:35 +0100 (BST) Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (daemon@pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk [137.205.192.19]) by popmail.dircon.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA15175; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 11:10:25 +0100 (BST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id LAA21712 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 11:01:50 +0100 (BST) Received: from nevis.kscl.com (nevis.kscl.com [194.159.98.15]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA21701 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 11:01:47 +0100 (BST) Received: from JAKARTA (JAKARTA [194.159.98.73]) by nevis.kscl.com (NTMail 3.02.13) with ESMTP id ra205209 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 10:59:24 +0100 Received: by JAKARTA with Microsoft Mail id <01BD9916.0CAF0990@JAKARTA>; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 11:01:01 +0100 Message-ID: <01BD9916.0CAF0990@JAKARTA> From: Fraser Macrae <fraserm@kscl.com> To: BritDisc Mailing List <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: RE: Tour V and World Cup Final Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 11:02:28 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Envelope-To: <nolan@daletaylor.co.uk> X-Envelope-To: <nolan@daletaylor.co.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Roger, That's all very well for you to say, but us poor sods in Scotland have an 8 hour drive to get home. Maybe we should re-schedule the final for lunch time to keep everyone happy Fraser (Sneeeky's) ---------- From: Roger Thomson [SMTP:Roger@kbw.co.uk] Sent: 16 June 1998 10:54 To: BritDisc Mailing List Subject: RE: Tour V and World Cup Final Paul, > The World cup final isn't 'till 8pm, either go to a pub in Exeter and > watch it, [Roger Thomson] And not get home until after midnight? Not likely. My car may turn into a large vegetable and travelling companions back into the mongrels they really are. > or don't bother watching the Tour V final so you can get home in time. [Roger Thomson] Easy for a Druid to say, but others of us have less choice. Maybe we should consider scheduling the games earlier on Sunday to ensure we can all get away by 4pm? Shouldn't be too much hassle. As it's the last Tour final, and could be the tie-breaker, it would be a shame to have it hurried or without a crowd because we have shied away from a little organisational effort. Personally I'm desperate to watch USA v Iran this Sunday at 8pm (tehee). What are the Southampton boys doing to ensure we can get away in time? r From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Jun 16 12:38:51 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id MAA11012 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 12:29:52 +0100 (BST) Received: from popmail.dircon.co.uk (popmail.dircon.co.uk [194.112.50.30]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA11000 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 12:29:50 +0100 (BST) Received: (from root@localhost) by popmail.dircon.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.7) id LAA16985 for inovanet; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 11:12:05 +0100 (BST) Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (daemon@pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk [137.205.192.19]) by popmail.dircon.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA16213; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 11:11:27 +0100 (BST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id LAA23196 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 11:10:47 +0100 (BST) Received: from popmail.dircon.co.uk (popmail.dircon.co.uk [194.112.50.30]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA23189 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 11:10:45 +0100 (BST) Received: (from root@localhost) by popmail.dircon.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.7) id LAA15364 for daltay; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 11:10:35 +0100 (BST) Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (daemon@pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk [137.205.192.19]) by popmail.dircon.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA15175; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 11:10:25 +0100 (BST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id LAA21712 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 11:01:50 +0100 (BST) Received: from nevis.kscl.com (nevis.kscl.com [194.159.98.15]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA21701 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 11:01:47 +0100 (BST) Received: from JAKARTA (JAKARTA [194.159.98.73]) by nevis.kscl.com (NTMail 3.02.13) with ESMTP id ra205209 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 10:59:24 +0100 Received: by JAKARTA with Microsoft Mail id <01BD9916.0CAF0990@JAKARTA>; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 11:01:01 +0100 Message-ID: <01BD9916.0CAF0990@JAKARTA> From: Fraser Macrae <fraserm@kscl.com> To: BritDisc Mailing List <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: RE: Tour V and World Cup Final Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 11:02:28 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Envelope-To: <nolan@daletaylor.co.uk> X-Envelope-To: <neil.halliday@inovanet.co.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Roger, That's all very well for you to say, but us poor sods in Scotland have an 8 hour drive to get home. Maybe we should re-schedule the final for lunch time to keep everyone happy Fraser (Sneeeky's) ---------- From: Roger Thomson [SMTP:Roger@kbw.co.uk] Sent: 16 June 1998 10:54 To: BritDisc Mailing List Subject: RE: Tour V and World Cup Final Paul, > The World cup final isn't 'till 8pm, either go to a pub in Exeter and > watch it, [Roger Thomson] And not get home until after midnight? Not likely. My car may turn into a large vegetable and travelling companions back into the mongrels they really are. > or don't bother watching the Tour V final so you can get home in time. [Roger Thomson] Easy for a Druid to say, but others of us have less choice. Maybe we should consider scheduling the games earlier on Sunday to ensure we can all get away by 4pm? Shouldn't be too much hassle. As it's the last Tour final, and could be the tie-breaker, it would be a shame to have it hurried or without a crowd because we have shied away from a little organisational effort. Personally I'm desperate to watch USA v Iran this Sunday at 8pm (tehee). What are the Southampton boys doing to ensure we can get away in time? r From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Jun 16 13:58:09 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id NAA24904 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 13:42:39 +0100 (BST) Received: from mailhub.stratus.com (mailhub.stratus.com [134.111.1.14]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA24867 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 13:42:32 +0100 (BST) From: Stuart_Mullinger@stratus.com Received: from ec.stratus.com (ec.stratus.com [164.152.11.200]) by mailhub.stratus.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA01937 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 08:46:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by ec.stratus.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA15405 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 13:41:13 +0100 (BST) X-OpenMail-Hops: 1 Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 13:41:00 +0100 Message-Id: <H00000b3053c7e43@MHS> Subject: Apologies from Fraser MIME-Version: 1.0 TO: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="openmail-part-05efa385-00000001" Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk --openmail-part-05efa385-00000001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; name="Apologies" Content-Disposition: inline; filename="Apologies" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Apparently we should blame Microsoft... --openmail-part-05efa385-00000001 Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 13:29:57 +0100 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Subject: britdisc MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: fraserm/ext////////RFC-822/fraserm#a#kscl#f#com@ec FROM: fraserm/ext////////RFC-822/fraserm#a#kscl#f#com@ec TO: stuart_mullinger@stratus.com Content-Type: multipart/Mixed; boundary="openmail-part-05efa385-00000002" --openmail-part-05efa385-00000002 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Disposition: inline; filename="britdisc" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Stu, Can you mail britdisc for me and say to everyone that I only sent my mail to Roger once And I apologise mail is screwed. If I send it everyone may get loads more mail Fraser --openmail-part-05efa385-00000002-- --openmail-part-05efa385-00000001-- From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Jun 16 15:11:58 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id OAA09631 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 14:57:36 +0100 (BST) Received: from pathway.btX400.co.uk (pathway.btX400.co.uk [193.113.148.3]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA09590; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 14:57:28 +0100 (BST) X400-Originator: COLIN.WAGSTAFF@TRADEINDEMNITY.btX400.co.uk X400-Recipients: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk , britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk X400-MTS-Identifier: [/PRMD=BT-INTERNET/ADMD=BT/C=GB/;0000430002220441000002L312] X400-Content-Type: P2-1988 (22) Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 12:56:00 +0100 From: WAGSTAFF COLIN <COLIN.WAGSTAFF@TRADEINDEMNITY.btX400.co.uk> To: Bowles <guy.bowles@guinness.com>, MACRAE <feemacrae@hotmail.com>, BritDisc Mailing List <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>, ", DDA.RFC-822:britdisc-owner(a)csv.warwick.ac.uk, P:BT-INTERNET" <britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: RE:RE: Tour V and World Cup Final Message-ID: <G00021F4A16F000001020067A24C042E*@MHS> In-Reply-To: <CA5F61C3CDF7D11186C300A0C997E63D035BCF@dns1.kbw.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Rog, Presuming Gun manage to finish above UTI at Southampton then we may have an interesting tour final. In which case it would definitely be in everyones interest to have games over by 4pm. (Crowd and players alike). Suggest semis at 9:00 and final at 12:30, for example. (Kev, trust you have this sorted out anyway). Anyway, all this relies on Gun finishing above UTI at tour IV. Otherwise we'll have some what of a Charity Shield on our hands! Col. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Jun 16 15:42:05 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id PAA16182 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 15:27:43 +0100 (BST) Received: from dryctnath.mmu.ac.uk (dryctnath.mmu.ac.uk [149.170.190.134]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA16169 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 15:27:41 +0100 (BST) Received: from magellan.all.stu.mmu.ac.uk ([149.170.17.46]) by dryctnath.mmu.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #2) for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk id 0ylwi6-0001mH-00; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 15:27:42 +0100 Received: from MMU-ART-MAGELLAN/SpoolDir by magellan.all.stu.mmu.ac.uk (Mercury 1.31); 16 Jun 98 15:27:40 GMT Received: from SpoolDir by MMU-ART-MAGELLAN (Mercury 1.31); 16 Jun 98 15:27:18 GMT From: "Si Marshall" <95060804@mmu.ac.uk> Organization: MMU To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 15:27:14 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Delete from list. X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <3AEF58C357C@magellan.all.stu.mmu.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Please delete this address from the britdisc mailing list. 95060804@mmu.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Jun 16 16:31:19 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id QAA26234 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 16:16:35 +0100 (BST) Received: from dns0.curved-logic.com (dns0.curved-logic.com [194.216.47.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA26205 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 16:16:27 +0100 (BST) Received: from pc21.curved-logic.com by dns0.curved-logic.com id aa02043; 16 Jun 98 15:42 GMT Received: by dns0.curved-logic.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BD9941.D60026A0@dns0.curved-logic.com>; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 16:14:27 +0100 Message-ID: <01BD9941.D60026A0@dns0.curved-logic.com> From: Kevin Lowe <kevinl@curved-logic.com> To: "'britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk'" <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Tour V Invite Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 16:14:25 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id QAA26212 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Invites go into the post just as soon as I can photocopy a decent map of Exeter, or they will be hand delivered at Southampton if work continues to be this stressful. More tournament details will be held on the website once IT let me access the site (www.curved-logic.com/~kevin/ultim8/u8) ---- Duckes Meadow, Exeter July 11/12, 1998 Uriel would like to invite you to the final event of the 1998 BUF Ultim8 Tour. The tournament is being held at Exeter University's Duckes Meadow where 12-15 lined pitches can cope with up to 32 open teams and 8 women's teams. We are experimenting with having a women's tour event alongside the open event. As usual, accommodation is courtesy of Double Locks Pub, located a 10 minute walk away from the pitches (15 minutes by car, or 1 minute swimming). If camping is not your style, then there is a B&B list attached. Free camping is available Friday and Saturday nights (and Sunday if you want to stay for the footie, but Double Locks doesn't actually have a telly). Please respect the pub's rules. Don't bring your own drink! Don't eat your own food on their premises (or at least don't be seen doing so). They reserve the right to kick anyone and everyone off their premises for abusing these rules. There will be a food tent on the pitches providing hot and cold food (a more extensive choice than normal, we hope). Friday and Saturday evening, Double Locks will be serving their normal menu meals, and providing a Bar-B-Q both evenings. There are numerous restaurants and take-aways in town. Just head for the main high street. Anyone interested in finding a local pub with a large TV screen for the 3/4 playoff will be presented with directions. The cost of the tournament is £50 (plus £15 tax). Please send a cheque (payable to Kevin Lowe) to be received no later than July 1st. If you haven't paid your £15 BUF tax deposit yet, then send it to Dora Kemp (McDonald Institute for Archaeological Research, Downing Street, Cambridge, CB2 3ER) Women's teams entering the women's event need only send a cheque for £40 (includes BUF tax) Captain's meeting will take place at 09:00 on the Saturday, with matches beginning at 09:30. On the Sunday, matches will start at 09:00 sharp, with the presentations being held by 17:00. Concessions to the World cup final will be influenced by, whether tour V will be the crunch for the tour title, whether teams are prepared to play earlier on Sunday / we work some schedule were teams only play two games, whether England (or Scotland) get to the final / 3,4 playoff (dependent purely on Hoddle waking up and dropping all those Man U players and putting Owen and McManaman in the team :) Anyone wishing to put their cheque in the post today, feel free! Contact details. Kevin Lowe & Jennie Mclaren. Spring Cottage, Church Green, Gresford, Wrexham. LL12 8RG. 0161-827-8150 (Work), 01978-852819 (Home), Kev@curved-logic.com Teams that have paid their deposit. Catch 22 Strange Blue First Touch Skunks Chaos Twin Peaks Village People JediChildren Fluid Druids Headrush Red I Red II Chevron Action Flash Mild Mannered Janitors Fingers 6 Shotgun Wedding Blue Arse Flies Uriel Red Shift Sneeeky¹s Slipdisc K-Niggets UTI Superfly Nightfever GB Juniors Mud Culture Whiplash Bliss Mohawk Mwnci Magic Pookas (deposit to come) Twin Peaks have said they will split into North and South teams for the women's tour if enough other teams enter. Any team that hasn't paid by July 1st, or hasn't come to some agreement with us, may be excluded from the tournament. Kevin & Jennie -- | E-mail Kev@Curved-logic.com Phone (+44)161-827-8150 | www.curved-logic.com/~kevin | | The world is divided between, people who think they are right... From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Jun 16 17:53:46 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id RAA10768 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 17:41:07 +0100 (BST) Received: from monsoon.dial.pipex.net (monsoon.dial.pipex.net [158.43.128.69]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA10752 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 17:41:04 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199806161641.RAA10752@pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Received: (qmail 19835 invoked from network); 16 Jun 1998 16:41:03 -0000 Received: from userm044.uk.uudial.com (HELO default) (193.149.77.94) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 16 Jun 1998 16:41:03 -0000 Reply-To: <Matthew.Lowe@dial.pipex.com> From: "Matthew Lowe" <Matthew.Lowe@dial.pipex.com> To: "BritDisc Mailing List" <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Tour V and World Cup Final Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 16:24:44 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk I beat you Roger, I got 7 copies. He must like me more than you :-) Matt. >Did you mean to stress your argument, or did you get very over-excited on >that send button? >Please don't waste all our time - did everyone else get 5 of his messages? ><<RE: Tour V and World Cup Final>> <<RE: Tour V and World Cup Final>> ><<RE: Tour V and World Cup Final>> <<RE: Tour V and World Cup Final>> ><<RE: Tour V and World Cup Final>> From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Jun 17 05:34:42 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id FAA09786 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 05:22:07 +0100 (BST) Received: from irwell.zetnet.co.uk (root@irwell.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.47.48]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA09781 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 05:22:05 +0100 (BST) Received: from crumpsall.zetnet.co.uk (crumpsall.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.47.27]) by irwell.zetnet.co.uk (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id FAA02839 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 05:22:04 +0100 X-ZSender: keithbarnard@zetnet.co.uk Message-ID: <1998061622570083476@zetnet.co.uk> Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 22:57:00 +0100 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: Keith Barnard <keithbarnard@zetnet.co.uk> X-Mailer: ZIMACS Version 1.20c 10007021 Subject: Pick Up for Southampton Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi everyone, Jesper Snorgaard is looking for a pickup at Southampton this weekend. He is young, fit, tall with good disc skills and would be an asset to most teams. If anyone is interested please email me here. Si Weeks. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Jun 17 11:47:32 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id LAA15233 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 11:32:52 +0100 (BST) Received: from sand.global.net.uk (sand.global.net.uk [194.126.82.9]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA15216 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 11:32:50 +0100 (BST) From: bielby@globalnet.co.uk Received: from bielby (client1247.globalnet.co.uk [195.147.12.71]) by sand.global.net.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id LAA30830 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 11:32:49 +0100 To: <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Calling all Jedi Children Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 11:33:09 +0100 Message-ID: <01bd99db$52824ac0$320f93c3@bielby> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="x-user-defined" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Iain, Chris, Anthony or anyone. Thanks for the directions to Southanpton Iain. Where are you staying on Friday night cos I might get there early? Also, could I borrow anyones spare boots? I left mine in Leeds (again). size 9-10 please. Sorry. see you all there. Thanks ever so much Jon Bielby From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Jun 17 15:40:41 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id PAA29422 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 15:26:25 +0100 (BST) Received: from renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk (renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk [129.215.13.3]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA29388 for <Britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 15:26:22 +0100 (BST) Received: from eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk (eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk [129.215.13.1]) by renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA17436 for <Britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 15:26:19 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199806171426.PAA17436@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> Received: from SMS-EIGG/SpoolDir by eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk (Mercury 1.31); 17 Jun 98 15:26:20 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by SMS-EIGG (Mercury 1.31); 17 Jun 98 15:26:04 +0000 From: "James Spicer" <9550732@eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk> To: Britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 15:26:01 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: southampton Pick up X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Dear All Vicci one of our fine female ultimate players in Edinburgh is looking to play in southampton, if anyone is short of players, give her a ring on 0131 229 8246, or email me back on J.A.spicer@sms.ed.ac.uk cheers James S J.a.Spicer@sms.ed.ac.uk Edinburgh University Ultimate Frisbee Club (Sneeekys) on the net at: http://www.ed.ac.uk/~ultimate/ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Jun 17 22:43:19 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id WAA01589 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 22:29:09 +0100 (BST) Received: from monsoon.dial.pipex.net (monsoon.dial.pipex.net [158.43.128.69]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA01569 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 22:29:06 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199806172129.WAA01569@pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Received: (qmail 1628 invoked from network); 17 Jun 1998 21:29:05 -0000 Received: from userm696.uk.uudial.com (HELO default) (193.149.79.238) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 1998 21:29:05 -0000 Reply-To: <Matthew.Lowe@dial.pipex.com> From: "Matthew Lowe" <Matthew.Lowe@dial.pipex.com> To: <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Loughborough Ultimate Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 22:24:55 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Default Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Anyone staying in Loughborough this Summer who would like to get together with us for some practice sessions, please drop me a mail (?) and I'll see if I can help. Matt Lowe (Charnwood Sunz) Matthew.Lowe@Dial.Pipex.com From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Jun 18 09:23:05 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id JAA10895 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 09:10:31 +0100 (BST) Received: from kestrel.mcg.gla.ac.uk (kestrel.mcg.gla.ac.uk [130.209.192.8]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA10854 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 09:10:19 +0100 (BST) Received: from mcg1.mcg.gla.ac.uk (mcg1.mcg.gla.ac.uk [130.209.192.26]) by kestrel.mcg.gla.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA24770 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 08:49:40 +0100 (BST) Received: from MCG1/SpoolDir by mcg1.mcg.gla.ac.uk (Mercury 1.40); 18 Jun 98 09:10:21 +1100 Received: from SpoolDir by MCG1 (Mercury 1.40); 18 Jun 98 09:10:15 +1100 From: "David Grayson" <david@mcg.gla.ac.uk> Organization: Multimedia Communications Group To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 09:10:06 gmt+1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Lift from Coventry? X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.40) Message-ID: <553A77F1B00@mcg1.mcg.gla.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Can anyone help one of our players get a lift from Coventry to Southampton this weekend? If so please email or phone 0141 334 9922 (eve), 0141 330 6237 (day) Thanks in advance, Dave. Mud Culture. In the meantime........why not visit Mud Culture on the WEB? http://www.mcg.gla.ac.uk/staff/lucy/mudculture/home.html From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Jun 18 12:20:14 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id MAA10066 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 12:05:57 +0100 (BST) Received: from mx2.rmplc.co.uk (tiger.rmplc.co.uk [194.238.48.11]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA10054 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 12:05:52 +0100 (BST) Received: from stn049.rmplc.co.uk (station15.adamsg.rmplc.co.uk [194.238.116.48]) by mx2.rmplc.co.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA31644 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 11:05:50 GMT Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19980618105832.006605a0@mail.adamsg.rmplc.co.uk> X-Sender: maths.adamsg@mail.adamsg.rmplc.co.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 11:58:32 +0100 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: Rowena Gill <maths@adamsg.rmplc.co.uk> Subject: Junior Outdoors Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Unfortunately the Junior Outdoors 1998 on 27/28 June has been cancelled. I'm afraid that this is due to lack of interest and support from junior teams. I don't want to get angry with them all, there have been very valid reasons as to why some of them can't make it, but it would be nice to know as early as possible if they can't come. With only eight days to go I have still only heard from ten teams, five of them not able to make it, and all five letting me know in the past three days when I sent out invites 8 weeks ago. (Is that too early?!) Its a bit of a pain when the food, pitches, trophies and orders of play have all been arranged. Thats a lot of time and money wasted. Can I make an appeal to all teams, and I know I'm guilty myself, to let organisers know if they are NOT going to enter a tournament. This isn't a problem for big tournaments like the Tour, but for 'little' tournaments it is vital for the organisation to go smoothly. Has anyone else had this problem? If we can only get 5 teams to a junior tournament (2 of those teams were mine!) then what is going to happen to junior Ultimate? Rowena Gill From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Jun 18 13:58:03 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id NAA00044 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 13:45:29 +0100 (BST) Received: from smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk (smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk [193.114.232.134]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA00022 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 13:45:22 +0100 (BST) From: Wayne_Retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk Received: from ccMail by smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk (IMA Internet Exchange 3.01 Enterprise) id 0000F90A; Thu, 18 Jun 98 13:26:43 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 13:22:24 +0100 Message-ID: <0000F90A.CE21337@watsonwyatt.co.uk> Subject: Re: Junior Outdoors To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk On the subject of the "Junior Outdoors", Rowena Gill <maths@adamsg.rmplc.co.uk> writes: >Unfortunately the Junior Outdoors 1998 on 27/28 June has been cancelled. I'm >afraid that this is due to lack of interest... that's 2 Ultimate and 1 DDC tournaments that have been cancelled this year due to undersubscription, as well as the tournaments (Cambridge, Fiesta) that struggled for numbers with teams dropping out last minute What is it with British Ultimate this year? We (as a populace) have been complaining that we can't get into the Tour Events... and that it would be nice to have more nonTour Events... somebody puts the effort in to set one up... we then don't attend those that get planned! WORSE STILL - we don't tell people we're not coming! >Can I make an appeal to all teams... to let organisers know if they are >NOT going to enter a tournament. This isn't a problem for big tournaments >like the Tour, but for 'little' tournaments it is vital for the organisation to >go smoothly. I agree, but I'd make that applicable to ALL tournaments (including the Tour) - if you feel that you cannot enter, or may be struggling for numbers, INFORM THE ORGANISERS so that they can put "Plan B" into action >If we can only get 5 teams to a junior tournament (2 of those teams were >mine!) then what is going to happen to junior Ultimate? Aha! I rather suspect that most of the valid reasons have been a) recent (?) exams, b) lack of transport, c) lack of financial and other support from institutions, d) (GB Juniors) saving for Worlds, c) affects every Ultimate player/team at any level at some point - so the BFDF/BUF are looking into sponsorship, as well as the "Schools Initiative"... I wonder what the situation is at the moment - Any chance of updates, Sam, Scott, Kevin, Mark J ? Wayne Retter ________________________________________________________________ Notice of Confidentiality This transmission is intended for the named addressee only. 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If you have received this transmission in error please contact: ~admin@watsonwyatt.co.uk or IT Manager: +44(0)1737 241144 Fax: +44(0)1737 241496 Watson Wyatt Partners is regulated by the Institute of Actuaries in the conduct of UK investment business. _________________________________________________________________ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Jun 18 15:09:47 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id OAA14597 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 14:53:15 +0100 (BST) Received: from epunix.biols.susx.ac.uk (root@epunix.biols.susx.ac.uk [139.184.162.2]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA14573 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 14:53:11 +0100 (BST) Received: from localhost (1676 bytes) by epunix.biols.susx.ac.uk via sendmail with P:stdio/R:acukbind/T:smtp (sender: <kevinbr>) (ident <kevinbr> using unix) id <m0ymf7g-000BBuC@epunix.biols.susx.ac.uk> for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 14:53:04 +0100 ( BST) (Smail-3.2.0.101 1997-Dec-17 #10 built 1998-Feb-1) Message-Id: <m0ymf7g-000BBuC@epunix.biols.susx.ac.uk> From: kevinbr@biols.susx.ac.uk (Kevin Brooks) Subject: Re: Junior Outdoors To: Wayne_Retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 14:53:04 +0100 ( BST) Cc: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <0000F90A.CE21337@watsonwyatt.co.uk> from "Wayne_Retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk" at Jun 18, 98 01:22:24 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL20] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk > > that's 2 Ultimate and 1 DDC tournaments that have been cancelled this year > due to undersubscription, > as well as the tournaments (Cambridge, Fiesta) that struggled for numbers > with teams dropping out last minute > AND don't forget the cancelled women's tournament in Brighton this spring. > What is it with British Ultimate this year? > Good question. > > WORSE STILL - we don't tell people we're not coming! > > >Can I make an appeal to all teams... to let organisers know if they are > >NOT going to enter a tournament. This isn't a problem for big tournaments > >like the Tour, but for 'little' tournaments it is vital for the organisation to > >go smoothly. > > I agree, but I'd make that applicable to ALL tournaments (including the Tour) - > if you feel that you cannot enter, or may be struggling for numbers, INFORM THE > ORGANISERS so that they can put "Plan B" into action Again, this would have helped us too. If we had known that teams did not genuinely intend to enter then we could have cancelled the booking of the Sports Centre, and avoided incurring a loss of several hundred pounds. Needless to say we won't be trying to organise another women's tourney in a hurry. Locks, Mohawks/Shotgun From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Jun 18 15:09:50 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id OAA14973 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 14:54:49 +0100 (BST) Received: from admin.warwick.ac.uk (sigma [137.205.249.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA14527; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 14:52:53 +0100 (BST) Received: from SIGMA/MERCURY by admin.warwick.ac.uk (Mercury 1.21); 18 Jun 98 14:54:40 +0000 Received: from MERCURY by SIGMA (Mercury 1.21); 18 Jun 98 14:54:11 +0000 From: "Derek Robins" <D.J.Robins@admin.warwick.ac.uk> Organization: University of Warwick, CV4 7AL, UK To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 14:54:02 +0000 (GMT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: 4th Quarry Park Open CC: Disc.Golf.Distribution@csv.warwick.ac.uk Message-ID: <950A1A1CA9@admin.warwick.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk The weather forecast may have deterred a few people from attending and it proved pretty accurate as we all got a soaking on Saturday. The new field shelter proved invaluable as we had somewhere dry to eat lunch and compare scores. Oz and Ivan set a new course record for tournament play at -8 with 46's on Sunday morning. Although I won comfortably in the end, Sam did get to within a shot of the lead early in the 3rd round. The 4th round was a "jungle" 9 holes. We then cut to 5 players for a 6 hole final. Sam went OB on the first hole and the fight was on for second place. By the last hole Sam and Oz were level and Sam tonked a huge drive to leave himself a long putt. Oz's drive left him more than 40m from the hole with a tricky shot into the wind. Amazingly Oz got his two and Sam missed his putt to slip back to third. Next stop on the tour is the British Open at Whitcombe. Let Toby know if you are planning to attend. Toby.Green@ibm.net Si Luard is planning to have a tournie in Ipswich in the meantime. Contact the Luards about this on 01206 272780 or 263800 Name R1 R2 R3 R4 Total Final Total 1 Derek Robins 51 49 48 26 174 19 193 2 Oz Freire 55 53 46 29 183 17 200 3 Sam Neilson 56 48 48 29 181 20 201 4 Liam Young 51 55 53 32 191 19 210 5 Ivan Bromage 57 59 46 34 196 25 221 6= Conor Davies 55 51 60 31 197 6= Tony Wakeford 52 56 54 35 197 8= Pete Monk 57 55 57 30 199 8= Bud Tilton 55 55 57 32 199 10 Jim Edwards 59 60 49 39 207 11 Richard Sampson61 58 56 34 209 12 Robin Scott 60 62 60 31 213 13= Spencer Worth 62 57 65 33 217 13= Simon Ailes 60 62 57 38 217 15 Trevor Bechtel 59 61 59 39 218 16 Neal Pickett 61 63 57 38 219 17 Steve Parker 59 68 57 39 223 18 Dan Massey 64 66 62 32 224 19= Jonnie Burden 68 62 63 35 228 19= Gavin Ailes 63 72 57 36 228 21 Lindsay Parkin 67 65 61 38 231 22 Robin Ailes 68 63 62 40 233 23 Ruth Lissaman 67 71 63 34 235 24 Mark Hunter 68 71 63 39 241 25 Paul Knutton 70 67 67 43 247 26 Ali Locke 71 73 67 45 256 27 Billy Ault 70 77 74 40 261 28 Sam Massey 73 76 70 45 264 29 Vanessa White 87 82 86 53 308 30 Rafi Friere 53 54 DNF 31 Peter Block 58 58 DNF Derek Robins http://www.ultimateweb.co.uk/ bdga/ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Jun 18 18:07:26 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id RAA21468 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 17:54:47 +0100 (BST) Received: from admin.warwick.ac.uk (sigma [137.205.249.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA20854; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 17:52:09 +0100 (BST) Received: from SIGMA/MERCURY by admin.warwick.ac.uk (Mercury 1.21); 18 Jun 98 17:53:56 +0000 Received: from MERCURY by SIGMA (Mercury 1.21); 18 Jun 98 17:53:43 +0000 From: "Derek Robins" <D.J.Robins@admin.warwick.ac.uk> Organization: University of Warwick, CV4 7AL, UK To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 17:53:36 +0000 (GMT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Time Out CC: Disc.Golf.Distribution@csv.warwick.ac.uk Message-ID: <9808307BFC@admin.warwick.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Following the shoddy article some weeks ago which confused disc golf and ultimate and basically slagged off discs in parks, Time Out has printed a short but positive piece on disc golf. I have only seen a fax of the article and the graphics are indeterminate from that but there is a para which says that dg is popular in the states and there is a pro circuit...it's like golf in many ways... there are special baskets ... and then contact numbers are given for Richard Sampson and myself. We have already had one promising lead from a PR company that wants to involve dg in a project they are running for a client. Derek From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Jun 19 12:34:17 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id MAA12176 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 12:15:32 +0100 (BST) Received: from amsta.leeds.ac.uk (amsta.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA12166 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 12:15:30 +0100 (BST) Received: from newton.leeds.amsta (newton.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.64]) by amsta.leeds.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA09063 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 12:16:22 +0100 (BST) Received: by newton.leeds.amsta (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id MAA29073; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 12:16:22 +0100 Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 12:16:22 +0100 From: amtsjh@amsta.leeds.ac.uk (S J Hill) Message-Id: <199806191116.MAA29073@newton.leeds.amsta> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: comments X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Just got back and read this week's happenings: 1. Teams pulling out of events late... On key element to having Tour was to produce a setup where we could force teams NOT to do this to the organiser. And basically it works (for the Tour). My hope was that this way of working would rub off on teams when they dealt with ANY TD. Apparently this is not yet the case - which is a shame. The main difference is of course that the Tour events are over-subscribed, whereas other tourneys are not. I have the beginnings of a solution to this, and I'm looking forward to working it out with whoever decides to come forward to get involved with the Director of Comp., Tour Director jobs for next year. 2. WORLD CUP/Exeter We had a choice of w/es: the one we took, or one week earlier. If you check out the schedule of the World Cup you will see that a week earlier is QFs - (Fri, Sat, Sun) when in my opinion England are still likely to be playing. I reckoned (back in Feb.) that this was more likely to be a problem than a clash with the w/e of the Final. At the time I understood one of the QFs to be taking place on Sat. afternoon. (I haven't checked recently to find out if this is actually true.) 3. I can't come to Southampton - I hope you all have a good time! I particularly hope that Catch finally duff up Shotgun and UTI - altho' if that were to happen the boys will rip the piss out of me for an eternity! cheers Si From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Jun 19 13:56:09 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id NAA27413 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 13:40:24 +0100 (BST) Received: from smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk (smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk [193.114.232.134]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA27392 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 13:40:19 +0100 (BST) From: Wayne_Retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk Received: from ccMail by smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk (IMA Internet Exchange 3.01 Enterprise) id 0000FFAF; Fri, 19 Jun 98 13:41:41 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 13:37:46 +0100 Message-ID: <0000FFAF.CE21337@watsonwyatt.co.uk> Subject: Parking Tickets To: BritDisc <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk WARNING: NOT frisbee related, just checking to see if we have any legally minded people out there... I've recently been issued a parking ticket (which I thoroughly deserved). It has been observed that the traffic warden/policeman that issued the ticket has misspelled the street name (particularly unclever 'cos the car was below the sign!) - and that what is written does not actually exist! Anyone know the legal standing on this? Would I not have to pay the fine because I could prove tha I wasn't illegally parked in the street shown on the ticket? Poorer, but wondering... Wayne ________________________________________________________________ Notice of Confidentiality This transmission is intended for the named addressee only. It contains information which may be confidential and which may also be privileged. Unless you are the named addressee (or authorised to receive it for the addressee) you may not copy or use it, or disclose it to anyone else. If you have received this transmission in error please contact: ~admin@watsonwyatt.co.uk or IT Manager: +44(0)1737 241144 Fax: +44(0)1737 241496 Watson Wyatt Partners is regulated by the Institute of Actuaries in the conduct of UK investment business. _________________________________________________________________ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Jun 19 15:00:08 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id OAA09847 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 14:40:30 +0100 (BST) Received: from papaya.mail.easynet.net (papaya.mail.easynet.net [195.40.1.40]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA09832 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 14:40:28 +0100 (BST) Received: (qmail 5263 invoked from network); 19 Jun 1998 13:40:26 -0000 Received: from larry.texcel.co.uk (HELO texcel.co.uk) (195.40.103.11) by papaya.mail.easynet.net with SMTP; 19 Jun 1998 13:40:26 -0000 Received: from dreamer.demon.co.uk by texcel.co.uk (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id OAA20352; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 14:40:19 +0100 Message-ID: <358A6A42.5B2D1EF6@dreamer.demon.co.uk> Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 14:40:18 +0100 From: Neil Travers <neil@dreamer.demon.co.uk> Organization: Home(ish) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.5 sun4d) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: BritDisc <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: [Fwd: london 20/21 June] Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------DB7D3A24F6D72543B5304016" Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------DB7D3A24F6D72543B5304016 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Anyone left in London at the weekend? I've already told her most people will be in Southampton. Susanne adds: > As of late tonight, I=B4ll be at the K+K Hotel George London (1-15 > Templeton Place, London SW5 9NB, Tel. 44 171 370 1092, = > FAX: + 44 171 370 2285) --------------DB7D3A24F6D72543B5304016 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: <Susanne.Giendl@wien.bmaa.gv.at> Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for neil@dreamer.demon.co.uk id 898254621:20:28654:5; Fri, 19 Jun 98 11:10:21 GMT Received: from x400gate1.ada.at ([194.118.0.141]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2124423; 19 Jun 98 11:09 GMT Received: from atcna01.ATCNA (ATCNA01 [194.118.36.22]) by smtp-router.ada.at with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.1960.3) id NF9B1H50; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 13:09:51 +0200 Received: from MEDS0003 by atcna01.ATCNA with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.0.1458.49) id MSP04QKN; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 13:06:30 +0200 Received: by MEDS0003 with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <NBL2VCVL>; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 13:05:36 +0200 Message-ID: <6B99C2239335D111A6F100002424992FEDF19C@MEDS0003> From: "GIENDL Susanne <BMaA/I.7>" <Susanne.Giendl@wien.bmaa.gv.at> To: 'UK summer league' <IMCEAX400-p=x400gate+3Ba=ada+3Bc=at+3Bdda+3Asmtp=neil+40dreamer+2Edemon+2Eco+2Euk+3B@wien.bmaa.gv.at>, 'London Ultimate' <IMCEAX400-p=x400gate+3Ba=ada+3Bc=at+3Bdda+3Asmtp=paul+40ultimatum+2Edemon+2Eco+2Euk+3B@wien.bmaa.gv.at> Subject: london 20/21 June Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 13:05:36 +0200 Importance: high X-Priority: 1 Return-Receipt-To: "GIENDL Susanne <BMaA/I.7>" <Susanne.Giendl@wien.bmaa.gv.at> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ANSI" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable frisbee greetings...probably nobody remembers me but I actually used to = play a lot of Ultimate when I was young (under30). Now I am 31 and slightly injured but flying to London tonight for foreign affairs Mon/Tues , so = I thought I could at the very least have a couple of beers with Ultmate players on Sat. Night. Is anybody there? Please give me a sign of life before 1600 your time today, maybe a phone number I can contact when = there LOve Susanne Giendl FO Vienna, Dep=B4t. I.7/ Human Rights 1014 Vienna , Ballhausplatz 1/ Hofburg Tel:++43-1- 53115-3589 Fax:++43-1-53666-5589 e-mail:susanne.giendl@wien.bmaa.gv.at --------------DB7D3A24F6D72543B5304016-- From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Jun 19 16:32:01 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id QAA28358 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 16:14:49 +0100 (BST) Received: from hades.dcs.napier.ac.uk (hades.dcs.napier.ac.uk [146.176.161.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA28346 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 16:14:47 +0100 (BST) Received: from PCG74B.dcs.napier.ac.uk (pcg74b [146.176.166.2]) by hades.dcs.napier.ac.uk (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA11478 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 16:12:59 +0100 (BST) Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 16:10:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Suzy Fane <s.fane@dcs.napier.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: London Message-ID: <Pine.PCW.3.93.980619160201.7671F-100000@PCG74B.dcs.napier.ac.uk> X-Sender: is7150@hades.dcs.napier.ac.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hello Does anyone know of a room going for rent in London? I am a Sneeeky moving to London in early July. Thanks very much Suzy Fane s.fane@dcs.napier.ac.uk Sneeekys Tel (0131) 447 0370 Mobile 0958 993 753 From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sat Jun 20 11:44:09 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id LAA21968 for britdisc-outgoing; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 11:27:36 +0100 (BST) Received: from dub-img-5.compuserve.com (dub-img-5.compuserve.com [149.174.206.135]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA21960 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 11:27:34 +0100 (BST) Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by dub-img-5.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/2.12) id GAA09793 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 06:27:02 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 06:26:28 -0400 From: Neil Helmer <NeilHelmer@compuserve.com> Subject: Delete from list. To: Britdisc <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Message-ID: <199806200627_MC2-40C5-8DF5@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id LAA21962 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Please delete this address from the britdisc mailing list. NeilHelmer@Compuserve.com From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sun Jun 21 20:10:28 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id TAA18988 for britdisc-outgoing; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 19:52:23 +0100 (BST) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA18982 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 19:52:21 +0100 (BST) From: rupes@bigfoot.com Received: from (default) [158.152.86.163] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0ynpDw-0006oe-00; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 18:52:20 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980621200540.006e5fc0@pop3.demon.co.uk> X-Sender: rupert+tcpe@pop3.demon.co.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 20:05:40 +0100 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Re: Junior Outdoors In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19980618105832.006605a0@mail.adamsg.rmplc.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk At 11:58 AM 6/18/98 +0100, you wrote: >If we can only get 5 teams to a junior tournament (2 of those teams were >mine!) then what is going to happen to junior Ultimate? Being a junior ultimate player myself I have found it difficult to try and form a team and enter tournaments . Firstly the lack of tournaments for juniors last year meant that it was difficult to find somewhere to play . I was impressed by the increase this year however . Yet there are real problems invloved with playing in a tournament , transport for instance . We don't all have our own cars , and can rarely afford to travel far distances to play . More importantly though the dtaes of junior tournaments are very awkward . For instance there was one recently at Cambridge I think , a few weeks ago . Most juniors have exams at this time of the year and can't be playing ultimate for a whole weekend , they may want to but most of their parents would object . The one cancelled this coming weekend is just after the exam period for most juniors , but it is still in term time and this causes problems as well . If they have to travel a far distance to get to the tournament it eats up the whole of their weekend , they may have homework to do and it may prove difficult to get back for school on Monday morning , or even arrive on time at the tournament . I think the solution lies in arranging more 1 day tournaments for juniors and try to arrange them at convenient times , during half-term or Easter and Summer holidays . I also think that junior teams should be allowed to play in the Student finals , these have regional qualifiers which would make it easier for them to travel to . I know many would object to this so if a regular junior finals event could be established , similar to the Student and Open finals but perhaps being just one tournament , then this would also give juniors something to work towards rather than just hanging around waiting for a junior tournament to be announced . More encouragement to juniors to come and join in one weekend tournaments such as Ross-on-Wye would be nice also . Any of these things would be a substantial improvement on the current situation . Phew , glad I got all that off my chest . Cheers , Rupert ------------------------------------------- Rupert Stokoe rupes@bigfoot.com ------------------------------------------- From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sun Jun 21 23:07:28 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id WAA29973 for britdisc-outgoing; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 22:34:54 +0100 (BST) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA29965 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 22:34:52 +0100 (BST) Received: from (phidelta.demon.co.uk) [158.152.248.177] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0ynrlC-0003KK-00; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 21:34:51 +0000 Message-ID: <u8mizHAKwXj1EwD0@phidelta.demon.co.uk> Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 22:32:58 +0100 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk, frisbee@soton.ac.uk From: Wayne Retter <wayne@phidelta.demon.co.uk> Subject: Tour IV resume (top8) In-Reply-To: <CA5F61C3CDF7D11186C300A0C997E63D035BCF@dns1.kbw.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Trial Version 3.04 <pjZRgFWDsQK5ViyP$l4rxVrb6a> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Last week, Roger Thomson <Roger@kbw.co.uk> wrote: > Personally I'm desperate to watch USA v Iran this Sunday at 8pm >(tehee). Did you make it home in time? (Sorry, but somebody had to say it...) For those that don't know, Tour IV in Southampton this weekend saw some interesting results and a change in fortune for many of the top teams... Results: 1 UTI 2 Catch 22 3 Chevron Action Flash 4 Shotgun 5 First Touch 6 Fluid Druids 7 Red 8 Headrush Chevron disposed of Druids in the Saturday pool in the usual Chevvy vs Druids style (no matter who the victors, it's a never close in the scoreline!) putting Druids into 5-12. UTI, Catch 22 and Shotgun finished top of their pools, as expected. Catch 22 caused the semifinal upset by defeating Shotgun (so, Si Hill, how do you feel about being home this weekend?). UTI defeated Chevvy. Druids defeated Blue Arse Flies, and met Headrush. It was close, almost too close, Druids winning sudden-death. This game appeared t take it's toll on both teams, Headrush falling to Red, and Druids loosing another sudden-death, this time vs First Touch, who are quite succesfully taking the Tour one step at a time and moving ever upwards... Meanwhile, Chevvy took on Shotgun in the 3/4 playoff, and proved that their recent narrow defeats in this match-up were actually progress towards victory The Catch 22 vs UTI final was impressive, Guy Bowles earning MVP for a fine set of layouts in the first half. Catch never seemed to quite get the momentum going to overtake UTI in the scoring, though a run of 4 (or so) in the second half made the predicted result a little less certain. Final score, UTI 21-17 Catch 22 (I think!) Spirit of the Game was awarded to Sneeekys. The weather: seemed unsettled on Saturday morning, fitful attempts to rain finally gave way to scorching sunshine. Quite a few teams appeared to suffer from the heat, looking sluggish in their movement. The pitchside water-containers proved invaluable Hopefully we'll get some more info about the rest from someone who was paying more atention to that part of the competition... Wayne Retter Fluid Druids PS: Will/Tim - I need the full listing of final placings, and the spirit votes (which teams got how many votes, and which teams didn't vote) ASAP so that I can update rankings, spirit lists, etc. Seems the heat addled my brain and I forgot to even mention it to you, let alone collect them! ---------------------------------------------------------------- Wayne Retter at home: 01737-242109 wayne@phidelta.demon.co.uk at work: 01737-273611 wayne_retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Jun 22 08:01:47 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id HAA27094 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 07:47:04 +0100 (BST) Received: from gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (ralf@gem [137.205.227.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA27089 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 07:47:02 +0100 (BST) Received: (from ralf@localhost) by gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA08822 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 07:47:01 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 07:47:01 +0100 (BST) From: Ranulf Doswell <ralf@dcs.warwick.ac.uk> Message-Id: <199806220647.HAA08822@gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: BFDF Events Reminder Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk British Flying Disc Federation Disc Events Diary ------------------------------------------------ The events list can also be found at http://www.dcs.warwick.ac.uk/~ralf/bfdf/ ---------- Saturday 27th June 1998 Exeter Hat Tournament (2 days) @ Double Locks, Exeter [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Sue Farley Email ma95smf@exeter.ac.uk Junior Outdoors (2 days) @ Adam's Grammar School, Newport, Shropshire [Junior Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Rowena Gill Email maths.adamsg@mail.adamsg.rmplc.co.uk Saturday 4th July 1998 GB Training (Open and Women) (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 11th July 1998 Tour V (2 days) @ Double Locks, Exeter [Outdoor Ultimate] TD Kevin Lowe Email kevinl@curved-logic.com Saturday 18th July 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Whitcombe, Dorset [Golf] Date reserved (2 days) Saturday 25th July 1998 GB Training (Open and Women) (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 1st August 1998 Ross-On-Wye (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 8th August 1998 GB Training (Open and Women) (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Friday 14th August 1998 Worlds (10 days) [Outdoor Ultimate Abroad] Saturday 15th August 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Essex University [Golf] Sunday 16th August 1998 DDC Tournament (1 day) [Outdoor DDC] Contact Mark Jefferson Email Mark.Jj@btinternet.com Saturday 22nd August 1998 Something Fun (2 days) @ Hitchin, Herts [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Saturday 29th August 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) TBC @ Perth or Edinburgh [Golf] Friday 11th September 1998 BUF Open (3 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 19th September 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Burnlaw, Horthumberland [Golf] Saturday 26th September 1998 Nationals 98 (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 24th October 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Whitcombe, Dorset [Golf Handicap] ---------------------------------------------------------- British Flying Disc Federation Disc Events Diary http://www.dcs.warwick.ac.uk/~ralf/bfdf/ Ranulf Doswell, ralf@dcs.warwick.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Jun 22 11:52:18 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id LAA02706 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 11:40:25 +0100 (BST) Received: from epunix.biols.susx.ac.uk (root@epunix.biols.susx.ac.uk [139.184.162.2]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA02697 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 11:40:23 +0100 (BST) Received: from localhost (2968 bytes) by epunix.biols.susx.ac.uk via sendmail with P:stdio/R:acukbind/T:smtp (sender: <kevinbr>) (ident <kevinbr> using unix) id <m0yo41E-000QkSC@epunix.biols.susx.ac.uk> for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 11:40:12 +0100 ( BST) (Smail-3.2.0.101 1997-Dec-17 #10 built 1998-Feb-1) Message-Id: <m0yo41E-000QkSC@epunix.biols.susx.ac.uk> From: kevinbr@biols.susx.ac.uk (Kevin Brooks) Subject: Re: Junior Outdoors To: rupes@bigfoot.com Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 11:40:12 +0100 ( BST) Cc: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980621200540.006e5fc0@pop3.demon.co.uk> from "rupes@bigfoot.com" at Jun 21, 98 08:05:40 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL20] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi developers, My debut on this list.... > I also think that junior teams should be allowed to > play in the Student finals , these have regional qualifiers which would > make it easier for them to travel to . Yes indeed, student championships do have qualifying stages in each region in that *indoor* disc sport (some would call it indoor ultimate). It may be that soon we will need regional qualifiers for the student *real* ultimate chapionships, since the number of student teams is growing at an encouraging rate. As far as I know, Junior teams were allowed to participate in the regional indoor student qualifiers, (at least in my region (SE) and also in the SW - you'll have to ask others in other regions about their tourneys). In the SE we invited teams (who only had to gather 5 players - if they could ever muster a team it must be then), but none came. There are also local student leagues starting up all over the country. These might be worth looking into. Most games, as far as I know are played on Weds. afternoon, but I'm sure there would be a little flexibility for junior teams so that we could play after school. Again, in our region, we've invited junior teams, but none have even replied, let alone expressed any interest. [Aside] We've also tried to contact the local junior team (Southern lights) on many occasions, but had no luck. A real problem (at least in my neck of the woods) seems to be lack of enthusiasm and commitment, which is not easily remedied. Back to the idea of juniors in student competition... However, since there seems to be a move towards trying to get ultimate taken more seriously, and aligning with BUSA as far as eligibility rules, etc. go, then this opportunity may not be there much longer. > I know many would object to this ... I'm not sure they do. Even if they did, the tourney could be structured so that no junior team could deny a student team a qualification place, or even so that they never interfered with the qualification procedure. This is what has been done in the past with other ineligible teams who have entered these tourneys. > so > if a regular junior finals event could be established , similar to the > Student and Open finals but perhaps being just one tournament , then this > would also give juniors something to work towards rather than just hanging > around waiting for a junior tournament to be announced . Well, good luck with this, whoever decides to take it on. Enough! Gotta work.(And lick my wounds from the weekend!) Locks Mohawks/Shotgun. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Jun 22 11:52:26 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id LAA01945 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 11:36:10 +0100 (BST) Received: from beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk (beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.129.138]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA01940 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 11:36:09 +0100 (BST) Received: from willow.sucs.soton.ac.uk (willow.sucs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.128.20]) by beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.8/relay-02) with ESMTP id LAA23825 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 11:36:08 +0100 (BST) Received: (from wp296@localhost) by willow.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.8/server-02) id LAA06297 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 11:33:17 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199806221033.LAA06297@willow.sucs.soton.ac.uk> Subject: Tour 4 Results To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 11:33:13 +0100 (BST) From: "W.Parker" <wp296@ecs.soton.ac.uk> X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk How is everyone?? Hopefully not too sunburned. Anyway, here are the results of BUF Tour 4 @ Southampton 1 UTI (winners) 2 Catch 22 (runners up) 3 Chevron AF 4 Shotgun 5 First Touch 6 Druids 7 Red I 8 Headrush 9 Violently Happy 10 Red Shift 11 Sneeekys 12 Blue Arse Flies 13 Superfly (Plate Winners) 14 Skunks 15 Village People 16 Nightfever 17 Strange Blue 18 Mild Mannered Janitors 19 Jedi Children 20 GB Juniors 21 Twin Peaks (Spoon winners) 22 SlipDisc 23 Mud Culture 24 K-niggets 25 Fingers 6 26 Skunks 2 27 Red 2 28 Chaos Spirit Winners: Sneekys I can't really do a tournament report as I didn't get to see much of anything as I was too busy running around either playing or organising. I can however tell you what happened to Skunks (which I know you are all interested in!) Skunks played some of their best Ultimate this year. After finding it nearly impossible to put teams out to some tournaments (notably the Students) we finally fielded our strongest team. A win against Red 2 put us in a pool with Strange Blue and Twin Peaks. A hard fought game left Skunks two points behind Strange Blue in our second game. This was a shame, but we were carried on happily to beat Twin Peaks very convincingly who had beaten us twice previously at tour events. We therefore held our seeding. On Sunday play just got better. Beating Janitors first thing in the morning gave us justthe boost we hoped for, becoming 14th seeds. We then went on to hold our seeding against Nightfever with an extremely close game. Finally we arrived at the plate final with hopes of grabbing some silverware at our tournament. Unfortuantely the slightly more experienced Superfly managed to beat us, but not with out a fight. I think I would be right in saying Skunks are the highest placed student only team in the Tour at the moment. Hopefully this will impress the AU who will give us more money!! Thanks to everyone for coming. It was probably my best ever tournament, and even with the stress of organising it all, I still had an immense amount of fun and played my best ever games. I really hope everyone enjoyed the tournament, the party, the big TV, the pitches and especially the sun which all made up for the fact that I didn't have a clue what was going on half the time. See you all next year (and at Exeter) Will ps Unfortuantely the lost property went home with another Skunk, so I don't have a list of it. I can rememeber a leather jacket, a tent !! , a hooded BHS top, a pair of brown deck shoes, a pair of mizuno trainers, and loads of other trash. I will bring the stuff to Exeter. Don't e-mail me as I am not here as of 5 minutes time!!! pps Wayne, I don't have the detailed Spirit listings, Tim does, although he may not still have them as he didn't know to keep them. I'll phone him up to find out, then I'll get him to either bring them to Exeter or something. As he is no longer on e-mail you may want to phone him: 01703 672581 From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Jun 22 12:49:43 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id MAA14157 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 12:37:39 +0100 (BST) Received: from dryctnath.mmu.ac.uk (dryctnath.mmu.ac.uk [149.170.190.134]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA14134 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 12:37:35 +0100 (BST) Received: from yorktown.mmu.ac.uk ([149.170.132.252]) by dryctnath.mmu.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #2) for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk id 0yo4un-0004fz-00; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 12:37:37 +0100 Received: from MMU-HOL-YORKTOWN/SpoolDir by yorktown.mmu.ac.uk (Mercury 1.31); 22 Jun 98 12:37:34 GMT Received: from SpoolDir by MMU-HOL-YORKTOWN (Mercury 1.31); 22 Jun 98 12:37:18 GMT From: "Lawrence PAULSON" <L.Paulson@mmu.ac.uk> Organization: Manchester Metropolitan University To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 12:37:10 +GMT Subject: Tour 4 Scheduling X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <86F4C7B0E76@yorktown.mmu.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Dear All, I had a fantastic time in So'ton at the weekend, and am now suffering from sunburn on every exposed part of me (let's give a big hand to the weather forecasters for predicting thundery showers on Sunday, well done boys!). The tournament ran smoothly, and the pitches were lovely- a credit to Skunks and the University. I would like to ask whether someone can explain the reasoning behind scheduling our (the bottom 12) teams most important game as the first game on Saturday morning, and how come we ended up playing two teams twice, once on Saturday, once on Sunday. Love & Luck, Lawrence Fingers 6 ------------------------------------ l.paulson@mmu.ac.uk ------------------------------------- From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Jun 22 13:33:34 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id NAA21832 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 13:20:01 +0100 (BST) Received: from amsta.leeds.ac.uk (amsta.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA21825 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 13:20:00 +0100 (BST) Received: from newton.leeds.amsta (newton.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.64]) by amsta.leeds.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA04998 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 13:20:50 +0100 (BST) Received: by newton.leeds.amsta (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id NAA07374; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 13:20:46 +0100 Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 13:20:46 +0100 From: amtsjh@amsta.leeds.ac.uk (S J Hill) Message-Id: <199806221220.NAA07374@newton.leeds.amsta> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk > I would like to ask whether someone can explain the reasoning behind > scheduling our (the bottom 12) teams most important game as the first > game on Saturday morning, and how come we ended up playing two > teams twice, once on Saturday, once on Sunday. > > Love & Luck, > > Lawrence > Fingers 6 > ------------------------------------ > l.paulson@mmu.ac.uk > ------------------------------------- Lawrence (and anyone wondering) This was the best format available given that we had a top16 and bottom12. I believe that it was important to run on the basis of a top 16 at least once this season. (I can give a longer explanation of the various options that we had - but I thought this was *overall, on balance* the best option.) Note that teams should be able to play important games at any time of the w/e - but I take your point. On the other 4 events great care has been taken to ensure that the format of the tournament as viewed by 'bottom teams' has been fair and considerate (and definitely NOT an afterthought). Usually the middle group of teams are the ones that get the worst deal in the schedule. One aim of the format/schedule at Soton was re-dress the balance somewhat. As for playing the same team twice, I thought I had avoided that, but was aware that it might happen. It looked unlikely to me (as I recall). I hope it didn't happen to more than 2 teams - apologies to anyone that did end up playing the same team twice. The best I can do is to say that it is always a consideration when writing a schedule, but sometimes results conspire against you! Glad the tourney was a success - on a personal note, I hope to get to Exeter!!!! Si From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Jun 22 13:38:12 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id NAA24269 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 13:33:36 +0100 (BST) Received: from [137.205.222.1] (mac-wie-31 [137.205.222.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA24244 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 13:33:33 +0100 (BST) X-Sender: serai@mail.csv.warwick.ac.uk Message-Id: <l03102802b1b3ff1d4b0c@[137.205.222.1]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 13:35:23 +0100 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: Dave Neilson <D.P.Neilson@warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Sunglasses Found at Southampton Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Somebody seems to have put their sunglasses into my carrier bag by mistake - if the owner can send me an accurate description, I'll get thme re-united in Exeter! My bag was by the tents on the bank overlooking the final, if that helps to jog people's memories. Cheers Sam. PS What an EXCELLENT tournament! From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Jun 22 14:46:20 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id OAA06502 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 14:32:28 +0100 (BST) Received: from penguin.wise.edt.ericsson.se (penguin-ext.wise.edt.ericsson.se [194.237.142.5]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA06483 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 14:32:24 +0100 (BST) Received: from mbb4.ericsson.se (mbb4.ericsson.se [136.225.152.56]) by penguin.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.0/8.9.0/glacier-1.11) with ESMTP id PAA14789 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 15:32:22 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from eds.ericsson.se (aledt1026.ericsson.se) by mbb4.ericsson.se (PMDF V5.1-10 #23296) with SMTP id <0EUY00MK4GAKOE@mbb4.ericsson.se> for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 15:32:45 +0200 (MET) Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 15:19 +0200 From: ALAN BALDWIN <alan.baldwin@eml.ericsson.se> Subject: Tour IV To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Message-id: <199806221319.GwX3@eds.ericsson.se> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id OAA06487 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk --- Received from EML.EMLANBN 44-1256-864592 98-06-22 15:19 Hi BD'ers Lawrence writes: > and how come we ended up playing two > teams twice, once on Saturday, once > on Sunday. This can quite easily happen given the fact that in all British tournaments we play positional matches all the way down the tournament. Teams you play in your pool matches can quite easily end up in your section of the knockout phase, once any crossover matches are played. Since the draw for the knockout part of the tournament is planned before the tournament starts it is impossible to prevent teams playing each other repeatedly if they get the right results. This situation is usually caused by a few upsets, and unfortunately the TD has no power to make sure all the matches go according to seed, if that was the case there would seem little point in playing. Anyway I would like to congratulate the skunks on a difficult job well done. Organising a good tournament is no mean feat, and Will and Tim should be commended on the job they have done. As always the pitches were exceptional, the top pitches were also very good this year. Alan ---- 98-06-22 15:19 ---- Sent to --------------------------- -> britdisc(a)csv.warwick.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Jun 22 14:47:11 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id OAA06661 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 14:33:10 +0100 (BST) Received: from mail2.lancs.ac.uk (mail2.lancs.ac.uk [148.88.8.13]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA06626 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 14:33:02 +0100 (BST) Received: from mail2.lancs.ac.uk (actually host localhost) by mail2.lancs.ac.uk with Local SMTP (PP); Mon, 22 Jun 1998 14:32:19 +0100 Received: from unixc.lancs.ac.uk (unixc.lancs.ac.uk [148.88.16.116]) by mail2.lancs.ac.uk with SpooMTA 1.23; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 14:32:19 +0000 Received: (from ultimate@localhost) by unixc.lancs.ac.uk (8.8.4/8.6.12) id OAA18323; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 14:31:56 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 14:31:56 +0100 (BST) From: Lancaster Ultimate <ultimate@lancaster.ac.uk> To: britdisc <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Manchester Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.980622142703.16312A-100000@unixc.lancs.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Could anyone in any of the Manchester / Manchester Area based teams please contact this lonely fish in search of adult friendship and fun over the summer. Preferably relating to ultimate but send photo and you could be the lucky one. Cheers Mr Sole (Shaun) s.lohman@lancaster.ac.uk ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Reservoir Fish Ultimate at Lancaster ultimate@lancaster.ac.uk http://www.lancs.ac.uk/socs/ultimate --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Jun 22 14:49:09 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id OAA08002 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 14:40:12 +0100 (BST) Received: from alpha2.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (alpha2.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.2.9]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA07989 for <BRITDISC@CSV.WARWICK.AC.UK>; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 14:40:10 +0100 (BST) From: JN061@mdx.ac.uk Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V5.1-10 #18910) id <01IYJH3MNUZ48WXL6B@mdx.ac.uk> for BRITDISC@CSV.WARWICK.AC.UK; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 14:42:37 BST Received: from mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V5.1-10 #18909) id <01IYJGX6438W8Y57AF@mdx.ac.uk> for BRITDISC@CSV.WARWICK.AC.UK; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 14:42:36 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 14:42:36 +0100 (BST) Subject: Southampton To: BRITDISC@csv.warwick.ac.uk Message-id: <01IYJGX6446Q8Y57AF@mdx.ac.uk> X-VMS-To: BRITDISC@CSV.WARWICK.AC.UK MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk I would just like to say a big well done to all the Skunks involved in the organisation of the tournament at the weekend. I had a fantastic time and enjoyed playing with players from various teams who came and picked up with us. Without them Chaos would not have been able to field a team and improve our suntan in the name of sport!!! Having a better idea of how much work goes into a tourny I'm impressed by how smoothly it all went, the amazing pitches and incredible weather. Gold star and Blue Peter badge goes to Will & Co. Looking forward to the next one. Jo 'from Chaos' From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Jun 22 16:20:11 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id QAA26433 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 16:07:09 +0100 (BST) Received: from mail.rmplc.net (koala.rmplc.co.uk [194.238.48.13]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA26409 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 16:07:06 +0100 (BST) Received: from acotgreave.internal.rmplc.net (hercules.rmplc.co.uk [194.238.48.90]) by mail.rmplc.net (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA15424 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 16:07:05 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199806221507.QAA15424@mail.rmplc.net> From: "Andy Cotgreave" <acotgreave@rmplc.net> To: "Britdisc" <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: glastonbury tickets Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 16:07:28 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk hi everyone, Apologies for using BD as advertising space.... Does anyone want ONE Glastonbury ticket? £80. Mail me back, and we can sort out getting the ticket to you. Andy acotgreave@rmplc.net From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Jun 22 16:24:10 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id QAA29199 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 16:19:54 +0100 (BST) Received: from dryctnath.mmu.ac.uk (dryctnath.mmu.ac.uk [149.170.190.134]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA29163 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 16:19:49 +0100 (BST) Received: from yorktown.mmu.ac.uk ([149.170.132.252]) by dryctnath.mmu.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #2) for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk id 0yo8Nq-00017J-00; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 16:19:50 +0100 Received: from MMU-HOL-YORKTOWN/SpoolDir by yorktown.mmu.ac.uk (Mercury 1.31); 22 Jun 98 16:19:48 GMT Received: from SpoolDir by MMU-HOL-YORKTOWN (Mercury 1.31); 22 Jun 98 16:19:32 GMT From: "Lawrence PAULSON" <L.Paulson@mmu.ac.uk> Organization: Manchester Metropolitan University To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 16:19:24 +GMT Subject: Tour IV X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <87300C85548@yorktown.mmu.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Si, Alan & BDers, Sorry to harp on, and I don't want people to think I have a big chip on my shoulder over this, but.... Playing one team twice is one thing. Playing TWO teams twice is another. Playing the two teams on Sunday who made up the other two teams of your three team pool on Saturday is another thing again. The first is fairly common. The other two are a little 'eccentric' to say the least. The last time this happened to me was Sharks AbFab in Summer '95, I believe (and that was because of a last minute drop out). Thanks for the lectures (Alan, yours was especially enlightening). Love & Luck & Long Summer Evenings, Lawrence Fingers 6 ------------------------------------ l.paulson@mmu.ac.uk or lpaulson@postmaster.co.uk ------------------------------------- From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Jun 22 17:26:45 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id RAA09030 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 17:10:12 +0100 (BST) Received: from penguin.wise.edt.ericsson.se (penguin-ext.wise.edt.ericsson.se [194.237.142.5]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA09009 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 17:10:09 +0100 (BST) Received: from mbb4.ericsson.se (mbb4.ericsson.se [136.225.152.56]) by penguin.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.0/8.9.0/glacier-1.11) with ESMTP id SAA03683 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 18:10:09 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from eds.ericsson.se (aledt1026.ericsson.se) by mbb4.ericsson.se (PMDF V5.1-10 #23296) with SMTP id <0EUY007P7NLP7K@mbb4.ericsson.se> for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 18:10:37 +0200 (MET) Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 18:09 +0200 From: ALAN BALDWIN <alan.baldwin@eml.ericsson.se> Subject: Tour IV To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Message-id: <199806221609.WHa4@eds.ericsson.se> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id RAA09011 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk --- Received from EML.EMLANBN 44-1256-864592 98-06-22 18:09 Hi BD'ers Lawrence wrote: > Thanks for the lectures (Alan, yours was > especially enlightening). Well I didn't mean to lecture. I'm sorry I didn't realise your pool only had three teams in on Saturday, that does make things seem slightly worse. At least we don't have the system they use in some tournaments in the US. Having travelled twice with the Druids to the US, I can only say that I am thankful for the rather fair british system. In each tournament once you lost in the knockout you got no more games. When you have travelled over 5,000 miles to play it's dissapointing to only have one game on Sunday, as happened to us on two occasions. Luckily a British team is such a novelty over there we had no shortage of teams wanting to play "friendlies" against us for the rest of the day. Gotta go now, apparently there's a footy match on tonight! Alan Red Shift ---- 98-06-22 18:09 ---- Sent to ------------------------------- -> britdisc(a)csv.warwick.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Jun 22 20:08:24 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id TAA29284 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 19:56:22 +0100 (BST) Received: from pathway.btX400.co.uk (pathway.btX400.co.uk [193.113.148.3]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA29266; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 19:56:16 +0100 (BST) X400-Originator: COLIN.WAGSTAFF@TRADEINDEMNITY.btX400.co.uk X400-Recipients: BRITDISC@csv.warwick.ac.uk , britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk X400-MTS-Identifier: [/PRMD=BT-INTERNET/ADMD=BT/C=GB/;0000430002325037000002L372] X400-Content-Type: P2-1988 (22) Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 16:55:00 +0100 From: WAGSTAFF COLIN <COLIN.WAGSTAFF@TRADEINDEMNITY.btX400.co.uk> To: ", DDA.RFC-822:BRITDISC(a)csv.warwick.ac.uk, P:BT-INTERNET, A:BT" <BRITDISC@csv.warwick.ac.uk>, ", DDA.RFC-822:britdisc-owner(a)csv.warwick.ac.uk, P:BT-INTERNET" <britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: RE:Southampton Message-ID: <G000213EFC6F000001020067A24C042E*@MHS> In-Reply-To: <01IYJGX6446Q8Y57AF@mdx.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk All these comments regarding the exceptional time everyone had at the w/e are excellent to hear, but i fear the glorious weather had more to do with peoples enjoyment than the organisation of the tournament. Sorry Will and all the Skunks, i know you put in a lot of hardwork but to make the tournament happen and we all appreciate it, but admit it the groundsman sorted the pitches out and the weather was c/o him upstairs. There were still the little niggling problems you get with organising any tournament, lack of schedules, lack of toilet paper, bar closing too early etc. This note was really to stand up for all the other TD's out there who don't get blessed with such weather and still put on excellent tournaments. Yes it was a great tournament, but aren't they all? Hands up if you beat Shotgun! Col. UTI. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Jun 23 00:09:52 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id XAA22534 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 23:57:42 +0100 (BST) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA22529 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 23:57:40 +0100 (BST) Received: from (phidelta.demon.co.uk) [158.152.248.177] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yoFWs-00057e-00; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 22:57:39 +0000 Message-ID: <yWvFpFAvstj1EwiZ@phidelta.demon.co.uk> Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 23:31:11 +0100 To: BritDisc <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> From: Ultim8 Rankings Officer <wayne@phidelta.demon.co.uk> Reply-To: Wayne Retter <wayne@phidelta.demon.co.uk> Subject: Tour IV Results and Rankings MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Trial Version 3.04 <pjZRgFWDsQK5ViyP$l4rxVrb6a> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Rankings after Tour IV: Rank Points Team Name 1 980 UTI 2 920 Shotgun 3 896 Catch 22 4 842 Chevron Action Flash 5 815 Fluid Druids 6 729 First Touch 7 711 Red I 8 691 Headrush 9 613 Violently Happy 10 600 Red Shift 11 590 Sneeekys 12 491 Blue Arse Flies 13 414 Mild Mannered Janitors 14 362 Village People 15 360 Superfly 16 355 GB Juniors 17 322 Skunks 18 309 Strange Blue 19 291 Sharks 20 278 Jedi Children 21 235 NightFever 22 210 Twin Peaks 23 165 Bliss 24 135 Picnic in the Sky 25 125 SlipDisc 26 113 K-Niggets 27 98 Whiplash 28 87 Fingers 6 29 72 Mad Kows 30 50 Mud Culture 31 42 Chaos 32 38 Red II 33 35 Uriel 33 35 Mohawk Mwnci Magic 35 27 One Touch More 36 25 Phat 'Eds 37 20 Skunks II 38 5 Charnwood Sunz arising from addition of Tour IV Results: Position Team Points 1 UTI 250 2 Catch 22 230 3 Chevron Action Flash 222 4 Shotgun 210 5 First Touch 205 6 Fluid Druids 190 7 Red 181 8 Headrush 170 9 Violently Happy 162 10 Red Shift 150 11 Sneeekys 141 12 Blue Arse Flies 130 13 Superfly 125 14 Skunks 110 15 Village People 101 16 Nightfever 90 17 Strange Blue 81 18 Mild Mannered Janitors 73 19 Jedi Children 67 20 GB Juniors 60 21 Twin Peaks 53 22 SlipDisc 47 23 Mud Culture 40 24 K-Niggets 33 25 Fingers 6 27 26 Skunks 2 20 27 Red 2 13 28 Chaos 7 ---------------------------------------------------------------- Wayne Retter - Ultim8 Rankings visit the 1998 Ultim8 Tour website at http://www.phidelta.demon.co.uk/u8-98/ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Jun 23 03:17:54 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id DAA07349 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 03:06:20 +0100 (BST) Received: from sand2.global.net.uk (sand2.global.net.uk [194.126.80.50]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA07344 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 03:06:19 +0100 (BST) Received: from client091a.globalnet.co.uk ([195.147.9.26] helo=hebrides) by sand2.global.net.uk with smtp (Exim 1.92 #1) id 0yoITS-0006jL-00; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 03:06:18 +0100 From: "Richie" <Richie@hebrides.co.uk> To: "britdisc" <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>, "WAGSTAFF COLIN" <COLIN.WAGSTAFF@TRADEINDEMNITY.btX400.co.uk> Subject: Re: RE:Southampton Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 03:04:31 +0100 Message-ID: <01bd9e4b$42c22f00$LocalHost@hebrides> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk >All these comments regarding the exceptional time everyone had at the w/e are >excellent to hear, but I fear the glorious weather had more to do with peoples >enjoyment than the organisation of the tournament. > >Sorry Will and all the Skunks, I know you put in a lot of hardwork but to make >the tournament happen and we all appreciate it, but admit it the groundsman >sorted the pitches out and the weather was c/o him upstairs. > >There were still the little niggling problems you get with organising any >tournament, lack of schedules, lack of toilet paper, bar closing too early etc. > >This note was really to stand up for all the other TD's out there who don't get >blessed with such weather and still put on excellent tournaments. Yes it was a >great tournament, but aren't they all? > Oh shut up Colin, your never happy untill you have had the last word or you are complaining, usually the later! >From what I've heard being, here over in the States, even though the Druids sucked, everybody enjoyed it, so SHUT IT, TERRY!!!! Richie(Scum even if they suck) Richie@hebrides.co.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Jun 23 08:06:49 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id HAA20491 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 07:54:35 +0100 (BST) Received: from monsoon.dial.pipex.net (monsoon.dial.pipex.net [158.43.128.69]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id HAA20485 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 07:54:33 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199806230654.HAA20485@pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Received: (qmail 6551 invoked from network); 23 Jun 1998 06:54:32 -0000 Received: from userl616.uk.uudial.com (HELO default) (193.149.75.175) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 1998 06:54:32 -0000 Reply-To: <Matthew.Lowe@dial.pipex.com> From: "Matthew Lowe" <Matthew.Lowe@dial.pipex.com> To: <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Hello Kevin. Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 07:51:37 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Sorry to use BD for this but I can't find kevin's E-mail address. Could Kevin Lowe please send me contact details for every know Junior team in the UK. Thanks Matt Lowe Matthew.Lowe@Dial.Pipex.Com From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Jun 23 09:37:32 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id JAA00075 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 09:25:30 +0100 (BST) Received: from dryctnath.mmu.ac.uk (dryctnath.mmu.ac.uk [149.170.190.134]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA00069 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 09:25:29 +0100 (BST) Received: from yorktown.mmu.ac.uk ([149.170.132.252]) by dryctnath.mmu.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #2) id 0yoOOR-0005Gj-00; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 09:25:31 +0100 Received: from MMU-HOL-YORKTOWN/SpoolDir by yorktown.mmu.ac.uk (Mercury 1.31); 23 Jun 98 09:25:28 GMT Received: from SpoolDir by MMU-HOL-YORKTOWN (Mercury 1.31); 23 Jun 98 09:25:24 GMT From: "Lawrence PAULSON" <L.Paulson@mmu.ac.uk> Organization: Manchester Metropolitan University To: ALAN BALDWIN <alan.baldwin@eml.ericsson.se> Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 09:25:16 +GMT Subject: Post Tournament Depression CC: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <8841A5B5605@yorktown.mmu.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Alan, (and everyone else) Forgive me for my severe case of P.T.D. (Post Tournament Depression). I was just feeling grumpy yesterday. After a good nights sleep nothing seems quite so important as the fact that I had a good time in Southampton and enjoyed the games we did play. See y'all next week at the Hat hopefully, Love & Luck & 3 points against Colombia, Lawrence Fingers 6 ------------------------------------ l.paulson@mmu.ac.uk or lpaulson@postmaster.co.uk ------------------------------------- From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Jun 23 12:17:54 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id MAA28912 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 12:03:06 +0100 (BST) Received: from pp2.shef.ac.uk (pp2.shef.ac.uk [143.167.1.32]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA28881 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 12:02:58 +0100 (BST) Received: from digley.shef.ac.uk [143.167.79.248] by pp2.shef.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.73 #1) id 0yoQqo-00041E-00; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 12:02:58 +0100 Received: from DIGLEY/SpoolDir by digley.shef.ac.uk (Mercury 1.40); 23 Jun 98 12:02:58 +0100 Received: from SpoolDir by DIGLEY (Mercury 1.40); 23 Jun 98 12:02:48 +0100 From: "J.G.Rushton" <EDP97JGR@sheffield.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 12:02:40 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Junior Outdoors X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <ADF1AA0E78@digley.shef.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Speaking as a student who's been playing for four years, I never understood why juniors, in particular school teams weren't allowed to play in Student tournaments. Assuming they can look after themselves and don't chunder everywhere their presence would only make student ultimate stronger, and if they deprive student teams from places in the finals well sorry but tough shit. I played for Uriel for three years and never saw hide nor hair of a final tournament didn't stop me going to or enjoying the tournaments I went to. We should be playing as many teams as possible as often as possible , encouraging new teams and encouraging the sport to grow not limiting student ultimate to a select band of 18-25ish year olds. so there Jack of Phat Eds From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Jun 23 13:55:47 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id NAA17599 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 13:37:44 +0100 (BST) Received: from alpha2.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (alpha2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.2.9]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA17585 for <BRITDISC@CSV.WARWICK.AC.UK>; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 13:37:42 +0100 (BST) From: JN061@mdx.ac.uk Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V5.1-10 #18910) id <01IYKT7IPP7K8WXV7D@mdx.ac.uk> for BRITDISC@CSV.WARWICK.AC.UK; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 13:40:09 BST Received: from mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V5.1-10 #18909) id <01IYKSV05WUU8Y59CO@mdx.ac.uk> for BRITDISC@CSV.WARWICK.AC.UK; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 13:40:07 +0100 (BST) Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 13:40:07 +0100 (BST) Subject: Junior teams To: BRITDISC@csv.warwick.ac.uk Message-id: <01IYKSV05WUW8Y59CO@mdx.ac.uk> X-VMS-To: BRITDISC@CSV.WARWICK.AC.UK MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Well Mark, good luck with setting up the junior team. As you say, with a student base of 2500 students it shouldn't be too difficult however Middlesex University have around 20,000 students and we still can't field a decent squad for the outdoor season and have had to withdraw from Exeter as a result. Parents may be a problem although the people we're trying to attract ARE the parents!!! Does anyone have some great recruiting idea's/suggestions for the up-and-coming fresher's week to attract them to Ultimate and TO MAKE THEM STAY!! We had a decent number of members in October 1997 but gradually lost them over the subsequent months. I appreciate it will be a difficult task to attract big numbers due to Middlesex's unfortunate geography and the mature student population (having familie's etc.) but how can a balance be achieved in appealing to competitive sports people and those that aren't so competitive and just want a good time? I think true Ultimate initiation comes by going to a tourny but even that seems like a huge feat and thats even when the Uni are paying entry fee and transportation. HELP! Jo 'from Chaos' From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Jun 23 14:56:52 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id OAA28748 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 14:35:53 +0100 (BST) Received: from neptune.pegasus.cranfield.ac.uk (neptune.pegasus.cranfield.ac.uk [138.250.1.185]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA28734 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 14:35:50 +0100 (BST) Received: from lnnt014f.lanch.cranfield.ac.uk [138.250.34.14] by neptune.pegasus.cranfield.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #1) id 0yoTEk-0004C8-00; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 14:35:50 +0100 From: Aaron Altman <A.Altman@cranfield.ac.uk> Reply-To: A.Altman@cranfield.ac.uk To: British Disc Discussion Group <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: I guess the time's about right...... Message-ID: <SIMEON.9806231420.A@lnnt014f.ecs.pc.cranfield.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 14:36:20 +0100 (British Summer Time) X-Mailer: Simeon for Win32 Version 4.1.2 Build (32) X-Authentication: none MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Given the discussion at present that has taken a turn towards fresher's fairs and recruitment and keeping people around once they're recruited, I think it's time to advertise my efforts. I have surveyed websites with any information relating to coaching, recruiting, and tactics in ultimate. In addition, I have added my own personal experience of starting a new team (for 3 years in a row) and have put all of that information down on my web site. It's by no means comprehensive, but it's the best I could do given the amount of time that I have. Any comments or suggestions are welcome. This information was originally written to be included in a BUF pack to go out to new teams, but for some reason never quite made it in (maybe someone in the BUF could tell me why?) Anyways, have a look if you are interested in recruiting, coaching, drills, or tactics in ultimate. http://www.cranfield.ac.uk/public/ca/ad943925/ultimate.htm Aaron ---------------------- Aaron Altman Cranfield University A.Altman@Cranfield.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Jun 23 15:08:30 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id OAA03097 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 14:58:20 +0100 (BST) Received: from maila.central.susx.ac.uk (maila.central.susx.ac.uk [139.184.4.12]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA03082 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 14:58:17 +0100 (BST) Received: from cs1041.central.susx.ac.uk [139.184.192.51] by maila.central.susx.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #16) id 0yoTaK-0003Cc-00; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 14:58:08 +0100 Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 14:56:07 BST From: Ilona Visser <hdue1@central.susx.ac.uk> Subject: Re: To: Lawrence PAULSON <L.Paulson@mmu.ac.uk> cc: ALAN BALDWIN <alan.baldwin@eml.ericsson.se>, britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Message-ID: <ECS9806231407A@central.susx.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk See y'all next week at the Hat hopefully, Love & Luck & 3 points against Colombia, 1-0 to Colombia!! From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Jun 23 18:10:17 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id RAA09065 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 17:58:38 +0100 (BST) Received: from apollo.le.ac.uk (apollo.le.ac.uk [143.210.16.125]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA09050; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 17:58:35 +0100 (BST) Received: from harrier.le.ac.uk ([143.210.8.56]) by apollo.le.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #2) id 0yoWQB-0003oI-00; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 17:59:51 +0100 Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 17:57:51 +0100 (BST) From: "B. Ravilious" <br5@leicester.ac.uk> X-Sender: br5@harrier To: "1998 Leicester Ultimate League -- A.R.Wood" <PIA95ARW@sheffield.ac.uk>, Aaron Altman <A.Altman@cranfield.ac.uk>, Bpeek85175@aol.com, Colin <clb497@soton.ac.uk>, "J.G.Rushton" <EDP97JGR@sheffield.ac.uk>, JOHN ALEXANDER GARRETT <jag6@aber.ac.uk>, Matthew Lowe <Matthew.Lowe@dial.pipex.com>, Ms D A Bagley <pgpyz@csv.warwick.ac.uk>, "P.J.Coy" <POA96PJC@sheffield.ac.uk>, "Paul Unwin (Grantham College)" <punwin@grantham.ac.uk>, Possum <9466830@arran.sms.ed.ac.uk>, Rich Parkes <rparkes.policy@wrekin.gov.uk>, Adriano Vitali <st3vita@doc.ntu.ac.uk> cc: Britdisc <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Respond Please... Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.96.980623175119.18961A-100000@harrier> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Please would anyone who is intending to come the the Leicester League and has not responded to the main invite please do so now as I need to know how many people we'll be dealing with. Present indications suggest 30-40 people in five or six teams. Remember this is an excellent opportunity to bring along any new players who want to try the game out for the first time. Catch me on BBC Radio Leicester at 7:45am on Saturday when I shall tell lies about how big Ultimate is! Thank you Ben ================================================================================ Ben Ravilious, (0116) 2559638 home br5@le.ac.uk (0116) 2525824 work ORACLE Trial Playing Ultimate for RED University of Leicester www.ultimateweb.co.uk/red/ ================================================================================ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Jun 23 19:37:19 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id TAA21571 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 19:25:40 +0100 (BST) Received: from newmail.virgin.net (newmail.virgin.net [194.168.54.44]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA21566 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 19:25:38 +0100 (BST) Received: from windows95 ([194.168.61.218]) by newmail.virgin.net (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO203-101c) ID# 1-55555U125000L125000S0) with SMTP id AAA9442 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 18:25:37 +0000 Message-ID: <358FE308.1662@virgin.net> Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 18:16:56 +0100 From: Iain Roberts <iain.roberts2@virgin.net> Reply-To: iain.roberts2@virgin.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-VN710-003 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Lost property from Tour IV Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk As a result of the recent tour event, Skunks have a certain amount of lost property. This includes several discs, a pair of Asics gel trainers, and a Valle Uplands tent in a green stuff bag. Plus various other items that I have forgotten. I shall bring it all to Tour V in July. Mail back to me if there's something particular you left behind. Iain Roberts Skunks Secretary From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Jun 23 21:07:21 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id UAA00629 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 20:55:22 +0100 (BST) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA00623 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 20:55:21 +0100 (BST) Received: from (phidelta.demon.co.uk) [158.152.248.177] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yoZ9y-0002xw-00; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 19:55:19 +0000 Message-ID: <010vVGA8LAk1Ewo+@phidelta.demon.co.uk> Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 20:33:16 +0100 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: Wayne Retter <wayne@phidelta.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: Junior Outdoors In-Reply-To: <ADF1AA0E78@digley.shef.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Trial Version 3.04 <pjZRgFWDsQK5ViyP$l4rxVrb6a> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Jack of Phat 'Eds wrote: >I never understood why juniors, in particular school teams weren't >allowed to play in Student tournaments. Is this correct? Are/Were Schools actually prohibited from playing in the Student events? Or do they just not attend (for whatever reasons)? I'd have to assume, rightly or wrongly, that such a prohibition was in force so that School Ultimate and Junior Ultimate (where's the boundary?) each concentrates on its own expansion, rather than a slower symbiosis...? >Assuming they can look after themselves and don't chunder everywhere Here's the potential problem - this assumption has often been made incorrectly (e.g. ask Christian Nistri about Utrecht...) and the follow- up is that it's LEGALLY someone else's problem if something does go wrong! >their presence would only make student ultimate stronger, 'would' or 'could'? Trying to be more realistic than pessimistic... ...and then the GB Juniors could be stronger due to having more experienced players to select from, and in time this could filter through to the GB Open team, and eventually to GB Masters AND the general standard of British Ultimate would improve... look at the current Shotgun squad - many of the Regulators contingent started as Juniors in Cambridge, played for GB Juniors, dominant student teams, GB Open and the most dominant club team yet seen in this country... >We should be playing as many teams as possible as often as possible , >encouraging new teams and encouraging the sport to grow not limiting >student ultimate to a select band of 18-25ish year olds. so there so come to Open tournaments! When the available ones get too full we'll have to start more, and when these get too full, we'll be able to seperate the agegroups with more chance of there being enough teams to warrant it! Wayne ---------------------------------------------------------------- Wayne Retter at home: 01737-242109 wayne@phidelta.demon.co.uk at work: 01737-273611 wayne_retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Jun 24 10:27:43 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id KAA09196 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 10:13:58 +0100 (BST) Received: from ntsmail2.bdo.co.uk (ntsmail2.bdo.co.uk [194.128.171.129] (may be forged)) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA09181 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 10:13:53 +0100 (BST) From: Philipp_Prince@bdo.co.uk Received: by ntsmail2.bdo.co.uk(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.1 (385.6 5-6-1997)) id 8025662D.003272DD ; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 10:11:02 +0100 X-Lotus-FromDomain: BDOUKMAIL To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Message-ID: <8025662D.00321D52.00@ntsmail2.bdo.co.uk> Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 10:10:23 +0100 Subject: Lifts to Exeter Hat Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk On behalf of Justin Smith from South Africa does anyone leaving from London for Exeter this weekend have a spare place? Thanks Philipp Albatross From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Jun 24 15:14:22 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id OAA29649 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 14:55:40 +0100 (BST) Received: from ikbrunel.brunel.co.uk (root@ikbrunel.brunel.co.uk [194.72.232.2]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA29632 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 14:55:33 +0100 (BST) Received: from wrekin1.brunel.co.uk (wrekin1.brunel.co.uk [194.72.232.177]) by ikbrunel.brunel.co.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with SMTP id NAA14149; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 13:38:23 +0100 Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 13:38:23 +0100 Message-Id: <2.2.16.19980624145934.62f77694@ikbrunel.brunel.co.uk> X-Sender: rparkes.policy@ikbrunel.brunel.co.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: "B. Ravilious" <br5@leicester.ac.uk> From: Rich Parkes <rparkes.policy@wrekin.gov.uk> Subject: Re: Respond Please... Cc: Britdisc <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi Ben You can count on my appearance at at least a couple of these. Am trying to drum up some support from elsewhere in Wolves and should be able to get a carload (Ro and Rob are interested, as is martin and a couple of others. When do you plan to start? Sadly I shall not be able to join you on Saturday morning since (a) I will be totally battered from the drinkfest that will be England v Colombia, and (b) I will be totally battered through beong at Glastonbury for 3 days. But I'm sure ytou will wow them with suitably spurious stats. Seeya Rich =============================================================== Rich Parkes | Tel: (01952) 202431 Research and Information Officer | Fax: (01952) 299487 Telford and Wrekin Council | rparkes.policy@wrekin.gov.uk =============================================================== From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Jun 24 20:07:30 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id TAA21070 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 19:49:10 +0100 (BST) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA21063 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 19:49:08 +0100 (BST) Received: from (phidelta.demon.co.uk) [158.152.248.177] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0youbQ-0003mg-00; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 18:49:04 +0000 Message-ID: <Hf0YbDAcYUk1EwMG@phidelta.demon.co.uk> Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 19:31:56 +0100 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: Wayne Retter <wayne@phidelta.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: Tour IV Results and Rankings In-Reply-To: <yWvFpFAvstj1EwiZ@phidelta.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Trial Version 3.04 <pjZRgFWDsQK5ViyP$l4rxVrb6a> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk >Rankings after Tour IV: > >Rank Points Team Name >9 613 Violently Happy slight amendment, should read 614 points... I lost one somewhere from the Tour I result... Wayne ---------------------------------------------------------------- Wayne Retter - Ultim8 Rankings visit the 1998 Ultim8 Tour website at http://www.phidelta.demon.co.uk/u8-98/ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Jun 25 10:14:22 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id KAA28964 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 10:00:33 +0100 (BST) Received: from hotmail.com (f197.hotmail.com [207.82.251.86]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA28953 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 10:00:30 +0100 (BST) Received: (qmail 21962 invoked by uid 0); 25 Jun 1998 08:59:58 -0000 Message-ID: <19980625085958.21961.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 130.102.2.60 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 01:59:58 PDT X-Originating-IP: [130.102.2.60] From: "BARRY O'KANE" <b_okane@hotmail.com> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Re: I guess the time's about right...... Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 01:59:58 PDT Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi all, Aaron wrote: >Any comments or suggestions are welcome. This information >was originally written to be included in a BUF pack to go >out to new teams, but for some reason never quite made it >in (maybe someone in the BUF could tell me why?) Aah - this was my fault (face reddens). I enlisted Aarons help last year to write some information that would be including in the information sent out to uni teams - along with the information that was sent out earlier that year and some other stuff. I am afraid that I buggered off to Australia (were I am at the moment) without properly handing this material over to Simon Weeks who has taken over from me. If Simon could mail me directly I will do my best now to correct that mistake. The stuff at Aarons site is very useful for those planning freshers fairs and other recruitment stuff - do check it out, BARRY ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Jun 25 14:46:16 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id OAA09904 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 14:07:50 +0100 (BST) Received: from shrimp.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (ralf@shrimp [137.205.227.130]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA09888 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 14:07:47 +0100 (BST) Received: (from ralf@localhost) by shrimp.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA27468 for britdisc@csv; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 14:07:20 +0100 (BST) From: Ralf <ralf@dcs.warwick.ac.uk> Message-Id: <199806251307.OAA27468@shrimp.dcs.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: change address (fwd) To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 14:07:20 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL35 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk From: ES063@mdx.ac.uk Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 14:04:07 +0100 (BST) Subject: Change of address To: BRITDISC@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sorry to bother those who this doesn't relate For those that it does, I'm moving to Fiona Sawers 105 Victoria Rd Wood Green London N22 7XG 0181 889 7535 For those trying to contact Chaos you can still post info for tournaments to 14A Station Parade Cockfosters Herts EN4 0DL As Dan, the new captain is moving there for the following accademic year, although Chaos won't be entering any tournaments as a team until Sept. now. Cheers Fiona Can all those with red hair and want to play at Ross get in touch! Fi ----- End of forwarded message from owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk ----- ____ ____ _ _ ____ .----------------------------------------. _\__ \ _\__ \ / \ / \\__/ | Ranulf Doswell | / \_/ /_ / \_/ \ / / / /___ | Department of Computer Science | \ __ \\ __ \\ \ _\ \\_/ |University of Warwick, COVENTRY, CV4 7AL| \ \ \ \\ \ \ \\ \__/ \\ \ | Phone: 01203 523296 Fax: 01203 525714 | \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \______/ \_/ `----------------------------------------' From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sat Jun 27 12:51:10 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id MAA01131 for britdisc-outgoing; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 12:37:24 +0100 (BST) Received: from boober.lineone.net (boober-be.lineone.net [194.75.152.84]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA01126 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 12:37:22 +0100 (BST) Received: from uxledkvk (host5-171-224-11.btinternet.com [195.171.224.11]) by boober.lineone.net (8.8.5/8.8.0) with ESMTP id MAA12500 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 12:36:51 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199806271136.MAA12500@boober.lineone.net> Reply-To: <chaseframe@lineone.net> From: "Chaseframe" <chaseframe@lineone.net> To: <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: chaos practices Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 12:42:22 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk is there a chaos practice tommorrow? If so where and when and may I come? Spud From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sat Jun 27 14:33:53 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id OAA07555 for britdisc-outgoing; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 14:22:22 +0100 (BST) Received: from newmail.virgin.net (newmail.virgin.net [194.168.54.44]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA07548 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 14:22:20 +0100 (BST) Received: from windows95 ([194.168.120.125]) by newmail.virgin.net (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO203-101c) ID# 581-43702U150000L150000S0) with SMTP id AAA21017 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 13:22:19 +0000 Message-ID: <3594E1E0.E9E@virgin.net> Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 13:13:20 +0100 From: Iain Roberts <iain.roberts2@virgin.net> Reply-To: iain.roberts2@virgin.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-VN710-003 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Britdisc <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Lost property Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Lost property from Tour IV Valle Uplands tent - Has been given to Sonic who will take it to GB open training Leather Jacket, Black with lots of rips in the lining Asics Gel trainers, white Texaco bag with Active Ankle supports in 2 Black T-shirts Brown Leather Ladies Moccasin style shoes made by Rock Valley Foot pump Light blue/grey 'double axes' top made by French Connection White Samurai Ultimate playing top #7 1 orange ultrastar with a faded star design 1 white BUF ultrastar with GB Juniors on the underside Waterproof with "James Realff" sew on name tag 1 Umbrella 1 tent poles bag 1 Very Interesting hat 1 lighter with a "Rettig Heating" logo All the items will be brought to Exeter for the next tour event. [Neill Curtis] Sorry Neill there was no sign of your watch, and the groundsman hadn't found anything either. See you all at Tour V Iain Roberts From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Jun 29 07:59:41 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id HAA03472 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 07:47:03 +0100 (BST) Received: from gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (ralf@gem [137.205.227.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA03467 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 07:47:02 +0100 (BST) Received: (from ralf@localhost) by gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA01301 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 07:47:01 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 07:47:01 +0100 (BST) From: Ranulf Doswell <ralf@dcs.warwick.ac.uk> Message-Id: <199806290647.HAA01301@gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: BFDF Events Reminder Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk British Flying Disc Federation Disc Events Diary ------------------------------------------------ The events list can also be found at http://www.dcs.warwick.ac.uk/~ralf/bfdf/ ---------- Saturday 4th July 1998 GB Training (Open and Women) (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 11th July 1998 Tour V (2 days) @ Double Locks, Exeter [Outdoor Ultimate] TD Kevin Lowe Email kevinl@curved-logic.com Saturday 18th July 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Whitcombe, Dorset [Golf] Date reserved (2 days) Saturday 25th July 1998 GB Training (Open and Women) (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 1st August 1998 Ross-On-Wye (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 8th August 1998 GB Training (Open and Women) (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Friday 14th August 1998 Worlds (10 days) [Outdoor Ultimate Abroad] Saturday 15th August 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Essex University [Golf] Sunday 16th August 1998 DDC Tournament (1 day) CANCELLED [Outdoor DDC] Contact Mark Jefferson Email Mark.Jj@btinternet.com Saturday 22nd August 1998 Something Fun (2 days) @ Hitchin, Herts [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Saturday 29th August 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) TBC @ Perth or Edinburgh [Golf] Friday 11th September 1998 BUF Open (3 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 19th September 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Burnlaw, Horthumberland [Golf] Saturday 26th September 1998 Nationals 98 (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 24th October 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Whitcombe, Dorset [Golf Handicap] ---------------------------------------------------------- British Flying Disc Federation Disc Events Diary http://www.dcs.warwick.ac.uk/~ralf/bfdf/ Ranulf Doswell, ralf@dcs.warwick.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Jun 29 09:46:37 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id JAA11711 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 09:37:12 +0100 (BST) Received: from [137.205.222.1] (mac-wie-31 [137.205.222.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA11699 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 09:37:10 +0100 (BST) X-Sender: serai@mail.csv.warwick.ac.uk Message-Id: <l03102802b1bd00d8cf70@[137.205.222.1]> In-Reply-To: <3594E1E0.E9E@virgin.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 09:37:50 +0100 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: Dave Neilson <D.P.Neilson@warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Lost property Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk >Lost property from Tour IV > [deleted] Also at Southampton, I was handed a Warwick Bears red short-sleeved T-shirt (Screen Stars XL) with the following on the back: disclayin'pla ymakin'fastc uttin'hamme rchuckin'mut herhuckin'sm oothlookin'ul timate bears Apparently this was left behind at a previous event and I was asked to return it to its owner. I have three problems which you may be able to help me with: 1) I do not know who gave the T-shirt to me at Southampton! 2) I do not know which of the Bears is meant to have lost it!! 3) Term has ended and I will not see any of the Bears until October!!! Any help would be appreciated. Sam Neilson E: D.P.Neilson@warwick.ac.uk H: 01926 864 276 From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Jun 29 12:41:05 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id MAA05244 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 12:21:39 +0100 (BST) Received: from epunix.biols.susx.ac.uk (root@epunix.biols.susx.ac.uk [139.184.162.2]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA05237 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 12:21:37 +0100 (BST) Received: from localhost (1221 bytes) by epunix.biols.susx.ac.uk via sendmail with P:stdio/R:acukbind/T:smtp (sender: <kevinbr>) (ident <kevinbr> using unix) id <m0yqc08-000A7eC@epunix.biols.susx.ac.uk> for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 12:21:36 +0100 ( BST) (Smail-3.2.0.101 1997-Dec-17 #10 built 1998-Feb-1) Message-Id: <m0yqc08-000A7eC@epunix.biols.susx.ac.uk> From: kevinbr@biols.susx.ac.uk (Kevin Brooks) Subject: Evening Practices in Brighton. To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 12:21:36 +0100 ( BST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL20] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk To all players based in the Brighton area. The few remaining Mohawks will continue training through the vacation. Practices are open to anyone who would like to come and play Ultimate in good spirit. Location: Preston Park (near the Tennis Courts) Dates: Every Wednesday evening. Time: 6.30pm onwards. See you there. Locks ___________ \ / \ / __\ /__ / \___/ \ / \ | /~~~~" "~~~~\ | /| >=o>| |<o=< |\ || \\ | | // || || \\ | | // || (| (|_|) |) 8 \ / |\ --=-- /| | `_ ~ _' | | `-----' | | ( ) | From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Jun 29 15:30:41 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id PAA00373 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 15:18:47 +0100 (BST) Received: from dns0.curved-logic.com (dns0.curved-logic.com [194.216.47.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA00331 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 15:18:44 +0100 (BST) Received: from pc04.curved-logic.com by dns0.curved-logic.com id aa17152; 29 Jun 98 14:37 GMT Message-ID: <001301bda367$59a0a0a0$0e2fd8c2@kevin.curved-logic.com> Reply-To: Kevin Lowe <Kev@curved-logic.com> From: Kevin Lowe <Kev@curved-logic.com> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk MMDF-Warning: Parse error in original version of preceding line at dns0.curved-logic.com Subject: Last call for Tour V Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 15:08:10 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0010_01BDA36F.BB005360" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01BDA36F.BB005360 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, The payment closing date for Exeter is this Wednesday. If we haven't = heard from teams by then, they may not get in. So far, we have had = payment from... Druids Headrush Shotgun Night Fever Fingers 6 UTI Village People Pookas The following teams have made arrangements for paying later... Uriel GB Juniors Mild Mannered Janitors Two other teams have assured me that the cheque will arrive in time... Superfly Catch 22 Apologies if your cheque turned up this morning, but I left before the = post arrived. If you would like your team to be included, then either = get the cheque in the post now, or phone me to make other arrangements. There are currently 31 teams entered, with one more expected. We have = not heard much from any women's teams. If you want this women's division = to happen, then please get in contact. Kevin. -------------------------------------------------------------------------= --------------------------- | Kev@curved-logic.com (+44)161-827-8150 | The world is divided between, people who think they are right... ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01BDA36F.BB005360 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD W3 HTML//EN"> <HTML> <HEAD> <META content=3Dtext/html;charset=3Diso-8859-1 = http-equiv=3DContent-Type> <META content=3D'"MSHTML 4.72.3110.7"' name=3DGENERATOR> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Hi,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>The payment closing date for Exeter is this = Wednesday. If we=20 haven't heard from teams by then, they may not get in. So far, we have = had=20 payment from...</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>Druids</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>Headrush</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>Shotgun</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>Night Fever</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>Fingers 6</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>UTI</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>Village People</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>Pookas</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>The following teams have made arrangements for = paying=20 later...</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>Uriel</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>GB Juniors</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>Mild Mannered Janitors</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>Two other teams have assured me that the cheque will = arrive in=20 time...</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>Superfly</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>Catch 22</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>Apologies if your cheque turned up this morning, but = I left=20 before the post arrived. If you would like your team to be included, = then either=20 get the cheque in the post now, or phone me to make other=20 arrangements.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>There are currently 31 teams = entered, with one=20 more expected. We have not heard much from any women's teams. If you = want this=20 women's division to happen, then please get in contact.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Kevin.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000=20 size=3D2>----------------------------------------------------------------= ------------------------------------<BR>|=20 <A = href=3D"mailto:Kev@curved-logic.com">Kev@curved-logic.com</A>  =  =20 (+44)161-827-8150<BR>| The world is divided between, people who think = they are=20 right...</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01BDA36F.BB005360-- From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Jun 29 16:19:17 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id QAA08976 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 16:07:13 +0100 (BST) Received: from dryctnath.mmu.ac.uk (dryctnath.mmu.ac.uk [149.170.190.134]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA08971 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 16:07:12 +0100 (BST) Received: from yorktown.mmu.ac.uk ([149.170.132.252]) by dryctnath.mmu.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #2) for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk id 0yqfWW-0007eL-00; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 16:07:16 +0100 Received: from MMU-HOL-YORKTOWN/SpoolDir by yorktown.mmu.ac.uk (Mercury 1.31); 29 Jun 98 16:07:11 GMT Received: from SpoolDir by MMU-HOL-YORKTOWN (Mercury 1.31); 29 Jun 98 16:07:08 GMT From: "Lawrence PAULSON" <L.Paulson@mmu.ac.uk> Organization: Manchester Metropolitan University To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 16:07:02 +GMT Subject: Exeter Hat X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <6828C23E3B@yorktown.mmu.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk For those (many) of you who were too lame to turn up... This weekend saw the Exeter Hat tournament. Sadly this year the numbers who competed were quite low, but enough to make 5 teams and thus four, hard fought games on Saturday, and 4 teams on Sunday. The standard of play was much harder than I remembered from 2 years ago, with teams gelling together almost immediately. Although there was a constant wind most of the days, teams did pretty well upwind as well as downwind. With the summer Tour now dominating the schedules, it's good to have a tournament like this where the goal of winning takes second place to playing well with new people and playing purely for the joy of playing. Thanks to the Exeter folks for putting on this tournament, and thanks to the people who did come down and make this weekend so special. Love & Luck, Lawrence Teams 3 and D (and sometimes Fingers 6) ------------------------------------ l.paulson@mmu.ac.uk ------------------------------------- From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Jun 29 18:14:51 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id SAA24065 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 18:00:51 +0100 (BST) Received: from axion.net (straylight.axionet.com [209.17.150.3]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA24058 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 18:00:47 +0100 (BST) Received: from default (cpl156.axion.net [209.17.151.156]) by axion.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA19714 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 09:58:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199806291658.JAA19714@axion.net> From: "lsivan" <lsivan@axionet.com> To: <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: helo for a place to stay! Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 10:02:27 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hello BritDisc! My name is Art -- I play in Vancouver with the Farm Accidents. One of our female players is going to London next week, and has just lost out on a place to stay. I believe she needs five nights from July 5th or 6th. Does anyone have a spare bed, a free sofa, or an empty space on the floor? We'd appreciate any help you can give! Thanks, Art and Nicole From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Jul 2 11:29:18 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id LAA04010 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 11:10:40 +0100 (BST) Received: from gannet.scg.man.ac.uk (gannet.scg.man.ac.uk [130.88.94.110]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA04003 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 11:10:36 +0100 (BST) Received: from fs1.scg.man.ac.uk [130.88.94.100] by gannet.scg.man.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #4) id 0yrgK4-0005WX-00; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 11:10:36 +0100 Received: from UK-AC-MAN-SCG-FS1/SpoolDir by fs1.scg.man.ac.uk (Mercury 1.31); 2 Jul 98 11:10:35 GMT+1 Received: from SpoolDir by UK-AC-MAN-SCG-FS1 (Mercury 1.21); 2 Jul 98 11:10:17 GMT+1 From: "Ben" <mddpsbs3@fs1.scg.man.ac.uk> Organization: University of Manchester, UK To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 11:10:11 GMT+1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Leeds Summer Practices Reply-to: mddpsbs3@fs1.scg.man.ac.uk X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <221B9646FE3@fs1.scg.man.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi A little while ago Dr P (Jedi Children) was tring to sort out some week night Ultimate practices in Leeds over the summer months. He said that there was a good response, However I think that he has gone home for a while and I can't get in touch with him. So can somebody let me know if they have been organised yet or if they have started already. -Also is the practice on Sunday still going! I haven't played for a week and a half and I'm depressed about it. Thanks Ben . _\|/_ ( * = ) | L | _____( Oh My Head ) \~/ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Jul 2 11:36:57 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id LAA06952 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 11:31:53 +0100 (BST) Received: from renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk (renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk [129.215.13.3]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA06947 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 11:31:51 +0100 (BST) From: 9361247@arran.sms.ed.ac.uk Received: from arran.sms.ed.ac.uk (arran.sms.ed.ac.uk [129.215.13.5]) by renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA00936 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 11:31:50 +0100 (BST) Received: from SMS-ARRAN/SpoolDir by arran.sms.ed.ac.uk (Mercury 1.31); 2 Jul 98 11:31:51 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by SMS-ARRAN (Mercury 1.31); 2 Jul 98 11:31:50 +0000 Organization: Student Mail Service To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 11:34:24 +0000 Subject: Seeking Vito X-mailer: Pegasus Mail/Mac (v2.2.1) Message-ID: <3931CF17F13@arran.sms.ed.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi all, Has anyone got the telephone number for Vito (Superfly)? I need to contact him asap. Cheers in advance, Wee Jim (Sneeeky's) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Jul 2 14:24:04 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id OAA00671 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 14:10:07 +0100 (BST) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA00659 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 14:10:05 +0100 (BST) Received: from ([158.152.203.174]) [158.152.203.174] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yrj7j-0002s5-00; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 13:10:04 +0000 Subject: Looking for Allen Hooks Date: Thu, 2 Jul 98 14:11:20 +0100 x-sender: ultimatum@pop3.demon.co.uk x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: Paul Hurt <paul@ultimatum.demon.co.uk> To: "BritDisc" <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Message-Id: <E0yrj7j-0002s5-00@post.mail.demon.net> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi Sorry, but does anyone have a telephone number for Allen Hooks in Glasgow? Thanks. Paul --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Hurt Editor, Ultimatum Magazine, London, England editor@ultimatum.demon.co.uk Visit Ultimatum Online... http://www.ultimatum.demon.co.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Jul 3 07:57:49 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id HAA01880 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 07:44:07 +0100 (BST) Received: from monsoon.dial.pipex.net (monsoon.dial.pipex.net [158.43.128.69]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id HAA01871 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 07:44:05 +0100 (BST) Received: (qmail 9687 invoked from network); 3 Jul 1998 06:44:04 -0000 Received: from usero851.uk.uudial.com (HELO dial.pipex.com) (193.149.90.105) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 3 Jul 1998 06:44:04 -0000 Message-ID: <359C7EB2.57D73C0E@dial.pipex.com> Date: Fri, 03 Jul 1998 07:48:24 +0100 From: john purdie <jb58@dial.pipex.com> Reply-To: jb58@dial.pipex.com Organization: jb58@dial.pipex.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: britdisc <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: LUS last night - lost "Where's Bob" long sleeve Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk last night at the LUS on Clapham I returned to my bag to find that my beloved long sleeved light grey "Where's Bob" T had been removed from the top of my bag. If anyone accicdentally picked it up / used it as a marker etc etc and now finds it in their washing please could you return it to John Purdie or just make yourself known to me. If anyone took knowing it wasn't theirs, you know who you are and what you are. If I ever see you wearing it I'll etc etc....thousand fleas...etc etc :?( Do not be deceived by my facetious tone - If the latter is the case I am saddened and upset that someone could do such a thing within the context of a game like Ultimate. ttfn John Purdie From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Jul 3 09:33:51 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id JAA10515 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 09:20:22 +0100 (BST) Received: from dns0.curved-logic.com (dns0.curved-logic.com [194.216.47.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA10484 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 09:20:16 +0100 (BST) Received: from pc04.curved-logic.com by dns0.curved-logic.com id aa27005; 3 Jul 98 8:43 GMT Message-ID: <005601bda65a$a7662a80$0e2fd8c2@kevin.curved-logic.com> Reply-To: Kevin Lowe <Kev@curved-logic.com> From: Kevin Lowe <Kev@curved-logic.com> To: BritDisc <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Tour V entry fees Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 09:14:51 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0053_01BDA663.08CF0500" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0053_01BDA663.08CF0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thank you to everyone who paid on time. Those that haven't paid or = arranged something with us yet, the clock is ticking. If we haven't = heard by Sunday evening, you are not entering (which will be a shame = since we currently have 32 open teams and between 4 and 6 women's = teams). Teams in the women's division can pay their entry fees at the = tournament. Any women competing in the women's division may also play the 'odd' game = for their open team so long as games don't clash. This exceptional = measure is to help the experimental women's division.=20 If there are any more women that would like to join a women's team, then = please contact us, or phone Sue Underwood (0121-778-2018) Sorry I can't reply individually to everyone who asked for = acknowledgement on their cheques. I hope this list will do. Teams that have Paid Strange Blue First Touch Skunks Twin Peaks Village People Fluid Druids Headrush Red I Red II Fingers 6 Shotgun Uriel Sneeekys Slip Disc UTI Superfly Night Fever Mohawk Mwnci Magic Pookas VH Picnic Arranged payment Chevron Action Flash Janitors GB Juniors Payment expected soon Catch 22 Red Shift Heard nothing from Jedi Children Blue Arse Flies K-Niggets Mud Culture Whiplash Bliss Sharks Withdrawn Chaos Kevin & Jennie -------------------------------------------------------------------------= --------------------------- | Kev@curved-logic.com (+44)161-827-8150 | The world is divided between, people who think they are right... ------=_NextPart_000_0053_01BDA663.08CF0500 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD W3 HTML//EN"> <HTML> <HEAD> <META content=3Dtext/html;charset=3Diso-8859-1 = http-equiv=3DContent-Type> <META content=3D'"MSHTML 4.72.3110.7"' name=3DGENERATOR> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Thank you to everyone who paid on = time. Those=20 that haven't paid or arranged something with us yet, the clock is = ticking. If we=20 haven't heard by Sunday evening, you are not entering (which will be a = shame=20 since we currently have 32 open teams and between 4 and 6 women's=20 teams).</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>Teams in the women's division can pay their entry = fees at the=20 tournament.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Any women competing in the women's = division may=20 also play the 'odd' game for their open team so long as games don't = clash. This=20 exceptional measure is to help the experimental women's division. = </FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>If there are any more women that = would like to=20 join a women's team, then please contact us, or phone Sue Underwood=20 (0121-778-2018)</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Sorry I can't reply individually to = everyone who=20 asked for acknowledgement on their cheques. I hope this list will=20 do.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2><STRONG>Teams that have=20 Paid</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Strange Blue<BR>First = Touch<BR>Skunks<BR>Twin=20 Peaks<BR>Village People<BR>Fluid Druids<BR>Headrush<BR>Red I<BR>Red=20 II<BR>Fingers 6<BR>Shotgun<BR>Uriel<BR>Sneeekys<BR>Slip=20 Disc<BR>UTI<BR>Superfly<BR>Night Fever<BR>Mohawk Mwnci=20 Magic<BR>Pookas<BR>VH<BR>Picnic</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2><STRONG>Arranged = payment</STRONG><BR>Chevron=20 Action Flash<BR>Janitors<BR>GB Juniors</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2><STRONG>Payment expected = soon</STRONG><BR>Catch=20 22<BR>Red Shift</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2><STRONG>Heard nothing = from</STRONG><BR>Jedi=20 Children<BR>Blue Arse Flies<BR>K-Niggets<BR>Mud=20 Culture<BR>Whiplash<BR>Bliss<BR>Sharks</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000=20 size=3D2><STRONG>Withdrawn</STRONG><BR>Chaos<BR></FONT></DIV> <DIV>Kevin & Jennie</DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000=20 size=3D2>----------------------------------------------------------------= ------------------------------------<BR>|=20 <A = href=3D"mailto:Kev@curved-logic.com">Kev@curved-logic.com</A>  =  =20 (+44)161-827-8150<BR>| The world is divided between, people who think = they are=20 right...</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_0053_01BDA663.08CF0500-- From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Jul 3 14:55:44 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id OAA04355 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 14:41:52 +0100 (BST) Received: from pasta.st-andrews.ac.uk (root@pasta.st-and.ac.uk [138.251.31.10]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA04345 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 14:41:49 +0100 (BST) Received: from pesto.st-andrews.ac.uk (js26@pesto [138.251.31.9]) by pasta.st-andrews.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA12082 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 14:41:44 +0100 (BST) Received: from localhost (js26@localhost) by pesto.st-andrews.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA21587 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 14:39:56 +0100 (BST) Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 14:39:56 +0100 (BST) From: Jesse Spohnholz <js26@st-andrews.ac.uk> X-Sender: js26@st-andrews.ac.uk To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Rule clarification article. (fwd) Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.96.980703143744.20547E-100000@pesto> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Spirit/Rule Discussion from North America Enjoy! Jesse (St Andrews) ------------ THIS IS FOR AN ARTICLE I'M DOING ON ULTIMATE. IT'S IN A ROUGH/NOTES STAGE. PART OF IT WILL BE POSTED TO A WEBSITE, PART OF IT WILL APPEAR IN A LOCAL WEEKLY, PERHAPS AS A SIDEBAR. IT'S MOSTLY FOR BEGINNERS, BUT WE HAVE THREE-YEAR VETERANS WHO EITHER DON'T KNOW OR ARE STILL UNCLEAR ON SOME OF THE RULES (INCLUDING ME). I'M HOPING I'M CLEAR ON THE RULES (OTHERWISE I'LL JUST ADD TO THE CONFUSION). HOPE YOU CAN HELP. ANY/ALL COMMENTS WILL BE APPRECIATED. PLEASE SEND THEM TO flannagan@vkool.com I DON'T GET TO CHECK USENET AS MUCH AS EMAIL, SO EMAILED COMMENTS ARE MUCH PREFERRED. THANK YOU. THIS IS THE ARTICLE/NOTES: ------------------------------------------------------ Rule Clarifications: There's a problem in Ultimate - a whole lot of people don't understand the rules. They come into the game, their friends explain the basics of play, and that's that. They've played other sports, where Testosterone is a big factor. Now they're bringing that to a co-ed Ultimate team. And, from experience, I can tell you that it's hard to maintain your cool when you're standing still and some guy slams into you from behind, then calls a foul on you, and that's the sort of thing that's been happening all game. It's a huge problem right now in Vancouver Ultimate, and it seems to be getting worse. The problem is, teams that play outside the rules will win. If every time someone's about to make an important catch you know them down, your team will win. To some extent, that's happening. On my team, we've been beaten by some teams that were just outplaying us, and that was fun. We've also been beaten by some teams that have just played too aggressively. We don't currently have any real mechanism for dealing with this. Discussion of it at a captain's meeting last year, and I think that was part of the impetus behing bringing in Spirit ratings, but now we have some teams that just live with a bad Spirit rating, and win a lot. I like best the suggestion of the Tournament Director for last year's Worlds, Gary Gisel: "I think all the teams should play each other in a round-robin, then you'd just vote on who had the best spirit and the best skills." One idea might be to, when making the schedules, schedule teams with poor Spirit rating for less games (i.e., they wouldn't get many double headers), since who wants to play them, anyway? It's easy to show good Spirit when you're winning by a huge margin, or when you've decided to forgo competetive play in order to show good spirit, but that tends to mean things like not calling fouls, allowing picks, etc. A telling example: In that World's tournament, the team that won the spirit award was the Master's team at the bottom of the standings, and two teams that topped the Men's division were really testy (especially the winner), arguing and even shoving over almost every play (making for a game so tedious and drawn-out that the spectators were chanting, "Booorrrring!"). Until we come up with something better, I submit the following rule clarifications, in the hope that they will help bring about more enlightened play. Here we go: SPIRIT Spirit is paramount. The rules are not to facilitate play so much as to keep the Spirit intact. Therefore, when you interpret the rules, interpret them with the Spirit of the Game in mind. For simplification, I've used players from two teams in these examples. Players from the Z team are doing it right. Players from the Y team are generously providing examples of bad play for our instruction.. Foul rule - Because the rules mention "incidental contact", lots of people think contact is not a foul. Some take "incidental contact" to mean any contact that occurs when they're going for the disk. One player couldn't understand why plowing through someone to get to the disk wasn't incidental contact. I ended up in the most incredible argument I've had in Ultimate. The player insisted that he knew the sport was non-contact, but that if I was between him and the disk, he had to get to the disk. He felt I couldn't legally be between him and the disk, and the solution was to try to knock me down. That's called {ITALICS} position {END}. If another player has position, there's nothing you can do. You can try to run around her, but otherwise, forget it. It was cool to watch games in the Worlds in which a player had the disk coming down to him in the end-zone. Even though there were defending players right there, he had position and airspace, so no one tried to do anything about it as a perfectly thrown pass hovered right down to him (OK, he gave a little jump at the end, but no one tried to swat over him or bump him or reach into his space). I've seen a Z player leaping for the disk and have a Y player jump into him, the impact knocking the Z player a foot out of the way. Then heard Y insist that it was "incidental contact." The rules state, "It is the player's responsibility to avoid contact." I feel that they'd be better off to ditch any mention of "incidental contact". Basically, assume that if you cause impact with another player, it's your foul (and you should call it if they don't). If you're not sure the whether the contact was your fault, be gracious. It's not that big a deal, just take the foul. The importance of the foul rule is to avoid having Ultimate become a contact sport. You also cannot put your arm out to block another player (soccer style) from running, and you can't push-off, as in other sports. Your goal is to outfinesse the other team, not bludgeon them into submission. In Ultimate, there's a rule that players have to call it themselves when they get fouled. I'm not sure this is such a good rule. Sometimes a player is just stunned for moment. Sometimes a player is too furious to call a foul. A better rule, I suggest, would be for anyone to call a foul, and then the "fouled" player can agree our disagree. However, if you foul someone, always call the foul yourself. Sometimes a fouled player doesn't realize she's been fouled (perhaps she dove for the disk and didn't realize it was you that kicked her off course, not the ground). We had a game where an opposing player called a foul on himself, and the player he said he'd fouled contested it (insisting that he hadn't been fouled) That's Spirit. Calling a foul on yourself is an excellent example of Spirit (and not calling it when you know you've done it is a sure sign that you should look for a rugby league). Position - This is a key concept which many beginning players fail to understand. Unlike in other sports, if a player has position there's nothing you can do. You don't jostle/shove/body check. You can't try to run {ITALICS} through {END} the other player. You have to respect the postion. Hospital throws - At the lower levels, where players are less experienced at making their cuts and then clearing out, it often happens that a disc heads towards a whole pile of people. Rather than run smashing into the pile, players should (and at higher levels do) realize it was a bad throw and allow the turnover. Basically, you should never be throwing into a whole heap of people. When it happens, respect for the other players should be paramount, which brings us to... Dangerous play - This is very important category that gets too little attention. Players should not be afraid to call dangerous play violations. In a recent game, I'd slid in and was about to catch a disk when I saw my check headed right for me. As I realized he wasn't going to be able stop, I gave up on catching the disk (it shot through my hands) and ducked my head. I got a kick to the neck. It would have been a kick to the face if I'd stayed in position caught the disk. This was a foul, but since Y was a couple paces off when I "missed" the catch, he insisted he had nothing to do with it. If I'd stayed in position and lost teeth, I guess it would have been clear. Other examples, the disc was coming down 5 steps from me. Easy catch. A Y player off to the side about 9 steps way made a running leap. If I'd stepped forward to catch the disk, I would've gotten smashed by the 210 pound player a split second later. So I stopped and missed an easy catch (instead, I caught him). That's cheating. Call it. A third (all from the same game). I was chasing my Y check. As the disk came, another Y player came zooming in from the side, typically out of control. Sensing a three-way collision, I pulled up. The two Y players landed on top of each other, the disk landed on them as they rolled over, and they called it a catch. It was actually a foul - dangerous play. I had to give up on the disk (it was an easy swat) or this out-of-control Y player would've steamed into two players instead of one, and injury would have been probable. There have been games where people have stayed in position, and they do get hurt. In one game, I watched from the sidelines as a Y player came streaking in to get the disk and was running so fast that he actually climbed onto one our players, then came down on her head so hard that she needed stitches. Staying in control is part of the game. Never just go barrelling in. If someone can't run that fast and still stay in control, they can't run that fast. Call dangerous play. It's important. Not just for you, but so that those who don't yet quite understand the difference between Ultimate and other sports, the difference between endangerment and finesse, will learn, and the games will be better for everyone. Note, however, that a player running fast and swatting the disk away isn't dangerous play. A player making you change course isn't dangerous play. A player running full bore at the place where you're going to be in two steps, clearly intending a collision if you don't back down, that's dangerous play (assuming you'd get there first, otherwise maybe it's you that's guilty). Point: Be sure it's really a dangerous situation (and not just a competitive one), but, if it is, please call it. Pick - A pick is again part of the the non-contact idea. It's real purpose is safety. Bascially, you call "Pick" when another player gets between you and your check. A pick isn't meant as a penalty. It doesn't mean anybody's done anything bad; it just mean that a player is between you and your check. You call a pick to stop the play and catch up without crashing through the other player, so no one gets hurt. Otherwise, you'd crash into people, or through them. Short throws - Throws can be one-inch, as long as it's not a hand-off. If it's a hand-off, it's a turnover. Airspace - Airspace is what's above you. You own everything up to heaven. Hence another player can't put a hand over your head to knock the disc away. Watch the better players and you'll see them jump up side-by-side (with a defender often unable to make the play because his check has position. Again, position, and who has it, is a very important part of the game to higher level players). You also cannot reach completely over another player and swat it down in front of her. I saw this in a recent game, the Y player insisting, "I didn't touch her." Learn the rules. Play better. Have more fun.