From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Jul 3 15:35:20 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id PAA10319 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 15:18:09 +0100 (BST) Received: from ursa.cns.umist.ac.uk (ursa.cns.umist.ac.uk [130.88.210.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA10306 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 15:18:06 +0100 (BST) Received: from ccg.acu.man.ac.uk [130.88.17.200] by ursa.cns.umist.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.81 #4) id 0ys6f7-0002q1-00; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 15:18:06 +0100 Received: from ccMail by ccg.acu.man.ac.uk (ccMail Link to SMTP R6.00.02) id AA899475480; Fri, 03 Jul 98 15:18:03 GMT Message-Id: <9807038994.AA899475480@ccg.acu.man.ac.uk> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R6.00.02 Date: Fri, 03 Jul 98 15:17:17 GMT From: "Rob Mitchell" To: Subject: RE: Rule clarification article. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk > Spirit/Rule Discussion from North America > Enjoy! This doesn't make Vancouver sound like the safest place to play, but the guys suggestions for the 'right' way to play and call fouls don't sound a million miles from the way we usually play over here. Except this... > Airspace - Airspace is what's above you. You own everything up to > heaven. Hence another player can't put a hand over your head to knock > the disc away. Watch the better players and you'll see them jump up > side-by-side (with a defender often unable to make the play > because his > check has position. Again, position, and who has it, is a very > important part of the game to higher level players). > > You also cannot reach completely over another player and swat > it down in > front of her. I saw this in a recent game, the Y player insisting, "I > didn't touch her." i'm sure everyone knows this rule, but when's the last time you heard it called? And when's the last time you saw Lee or Paulo or any other freakish deformity leap up and get a D over a normal sized (that's five-nine) players head? And can you imagine the response from one of those bad-tempered Catch boys if you pulled them up for it? I wonder whether it's a rule worth keeping. Rob Chevron From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Jul 3 17:32:01 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id RAA24783 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 17:19:58 +0100 (BST) Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com (imo17.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.7]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA24767 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 17:19:53 +0100 (BST) From: BPeek85175@aol.com Received: from BPeek85175@aol.com by imo17.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id IKDQa02268; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 12:18:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <283f54c7.359d0464@aol.com> Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 12:18:42 EDT To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk, flannagan@vkool.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Rule clarification article. (fwd) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 170 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk << Spirit is paramount. The rules are not to facilitate play so much as to keep the Spirit intact. Therefore, when you interpret the rules, interpret them with the Spirit of the Game in mind. >> Yep. My sentiments exactly. << Short throws - Throws can be one-inch, as long as it's not a hand-off. If it's a hand-off, it's a turnover. >> Does anyone know if the disc has to spin through a particular angle for the throw to be valid? Ben (Superfly, Nottingham) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Jul 3 18:44:14 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id SAA00877 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 18:32:42 +0100 (BST) Received: from portalcp.chevron.com (firewall-user@portalcp.chevron.com [207.24.17.2]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA00872 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 18:32:40 +0100 (BST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by portalcp.chevron.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA22825 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 10:32:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from unknown(146.27.64.202) by portalcp.chevron.com via smap (4.0a) id xma022786; Fri, 3 Jul 98 10:32:32 -0700 Received: from chvpk-msx04-b.sr.chevron.com (chvpk-msx04-b.sr.chevron.com [146.27.94.42]) by schizoid.sr.chevron.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA25294 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 10:32:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by chvpk-msx04-b.sr.chevron.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <31Q8NPTB>; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 10:32:36 -0700 Message-ID: <137FCF8E2C6BD111A42900805F1904D74D15DF@CAL-MSX1> From: "Batty, Ian (ibat)" To: "'britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk'" Subject: Get a grip (it helps the disc to spin) Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 10:32:29 -0700 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi, Normally britdisc has sensible questions, but the one below made me smile with the dopeyness of it >Does anyone know if the disc has to spin through a particular angle for the >throw to be valid? A small amount of thought would show that half the throws made by beginners will be illegal. Also: How can there be a rule? Who is going to count the number of turns of a disc? And my own personal thought on it all: Stop mucking about and just play the game! Cheers Batty (Violently Happy, who can spin the disc and Strollers who never did) BTW Isn't there a certain pleasure in throwing a no spin pass and watching the idiot, sorry intended catcher, try to make something of it? From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sat Jul 4 11:40:12 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id LAA18594 for britdisc-outgoing; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 11:26:06 +0100 (BST) Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA18585 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 11:26:04 +0100 (BST) From: jester@innotts.co.uk Received: from max-pool-p14.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p14.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.14]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA20165 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 11:25:58 +0100 (BST) To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Re: Rule clarification article. (fwd) Date: Sat, 04 Jul 1998 10:24:55 GMT Message-ID: <35a00208.10676393@mailhost.innotts.co.uk> References: <283f54c7.359d0464@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <283f54c7.359d0464@aol.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id LAA18586 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk On Fri, 3 Jul 1998 12:18:42 EDT, Ben wrote: >Does anyone know if the disc has to spin through a particular angle for the >throw to be valid? > Nope, nothing in the rules says that the disc has to spin, just as long as both aren't holding it at the same time. -- Andy Brown From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sat Jul 4 14:15:40 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id NAA24353 for britdisc-outgoing; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 13:26:22 +0100 (BST) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA24346 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 13:26:19 +0100 (BST) Received: from (dreamer.demon.co.uk) [158.152.82.103] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0ysROU-0007IL-00; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 12:26:19 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 13:17:26 +0100 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk, Jesse Spohnholz From: Neil Travers Subject: Re: Rule clarification article. (fwd) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (32) Version 3.05 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk In article , Jesse Spohnholz writes >Airspace - Airspace is what's above you. You own everything up to >heaven. Hence another player can't put a hand over your head to knock >the disc away. >You also cannot reach completely over another player and swat it down in >front of her. I saw this in a recent game, the Y player insisting, "I >didn't touch her." I would say this is an incorrect interpretation of the rules. Although the airspace above you is yours that doesn't mean someone else can't use it, just that they can't prevent you from using it. So if there is any contact directly above you, it is always their fault. So I would say that you can put your hand above someones head to knock the disk away, so long as you don't touch them and they don't touch you (still your fault, since it's their space). The same for reaching over them, it *is* OK if there is no contact. > WFDF 1996 rules > 404.14 Positioning > D. Principal of Verticality: All players shall have the right to the > space immediately above them. Accordingly, a player cannot prevent an > opponent from attempting to catch a pass by placing his arms above an > opponent. If a player so places his arms, and contact occurs, a foul > may be called. Everyone should try to read the rules at least once (I know its boring, but you are playing a self governed sport, you should know the rules). http://www.ira.uka.de/~thgries/wfdf/rulesbook/96rulult.htm -- Neil Travers From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Jul 6 08:01:04 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id HAA17029 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 07:47:04 +0100 (BST) Received: from gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (ralf@gem [137.205.227.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA17024 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 07:47:03 +0100 (BST) Received: (from ralf@localhost) by gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA00084 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 07:47:01 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 07:47:01 +0100 (BST) From: Ranulf Doswell Message-Id: <199807060647.HAA00084@gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: BFDF Events Reminder Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk British Flying Disc Federation Disc Events Diary ------------------------------------------------ The events list can also be found at http://www.dcs.warwick.ac.uk/~ralf/bfdf/ ---------- Saturday 11th July 1998 Tour V (2 days) @ Double Locks, Exeter [Outdoor Ultimate] TD Kevin Lowe Email kevinl@curved-logic.com Saturday 18th July 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Whitcombe, Dorset [Golf] Date reserved (2 days) Saturday 25th July 1998 GB Training (Open and Women) (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 1st August 1998 Ross-On-Wye (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 8th August 1998 GB Training (Open and Women) (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Friday 14th August 1998 Worlds (10 days) [Outdoor Ultimate Abroad] Saturday 15th August 1998 Edinburgh Festival Hat Tourney (2 days) @ Edinburgh [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Emma Beatty Email emmab@chem.ed.ac.uk BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Essex University [Golf] Sunday 16th August 1998 DDC Tournament (1 day) CANCELLED [Outdoor DDC] Contact Mark Jefferson Email Mark.Jj@btinternet.com Saturday 22nd August 1998 Something Fun (2 days) @ Hitchin, Herts [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Saturday 29th August 1998 BDGA Golf - B tier tournament (2 days) @ Crook of Devon, 45min north of Edinburgh [Golf] Contact Liam Young Email liamyoung@bigfoot.com Phone 0131 2252670 Friday 11th September 1998 BUF Open (3 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 19th September 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Burnlaw, Horthumberland [Golf] Saturday 26th September 1998 Nationals 98 (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 24th October 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Whitcombe, Dorset [Golf Handicap] ---------------------------------------------------------- British Flying Disc Federation Disc Events Diary http://www.dcs.warwick.ac.uk/~ralf/bfdf/ Ranulf Doswell, ralf@dcs.warwick.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Jul 6 14:18:30 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id OAA10394 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 14:00:03 +0100 (BST) Received: from epunix.biols.susx.ac.uk (root@epunix.biols.susx.ac.uk [139.184.162.2]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA10373 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 13:59:58 +0100 (BST) Received: from localhost (420 bytes) by epunix.biols.susx.ac.uk via sendmail with P:stdio/R:acukbind/T:smtp (sender: ) (ident using unix) id for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 13:59:49 +0100 ( BST) (Smail-3.2.0.101 1997-Dec-17 #10 built 1998-Feb-1) Message-Id: From: kevinbr@biols.susx.ac.uk (Kevin Brooks) Subject: For Toxic/PDQ only. To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 13:59:49 +0100 ( BST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL20] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Is there anyone out there from Toxic Ninja Attack (Kent Uni), or P.D.Q. (Portsmouth Uni)? If so, please get in touch with me (e-mail is best) asap. Locks From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Jul 7 08:53:30 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id IAA11174 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 08:37:21 +0100 (BST) Received: from mailgate.ocean.co.uk (host16.ocean.u-net.com [193.123.125.17]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA11169 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 08:37:19 +0100 (BST) Received: (qmail 111 invoked from network); 7 Jul 1998 07:36:48 -0000 Received: from exchange-server.infogrames.local (10.10.10.214) by mailgate.infogrames.local with SMTP; 7 Jul 1998 07:36:48 -0000 Received: by EXCHANGE-SERVER with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id <3266VDV2>; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 08:35:45 +0100 Message-ID: <804EA3B35413D211818000805F6F48CA47DD@EXCHANGE-SERVER> From: Kevin Lowe To: Britdisc Subject: Anyone from MMJ, Whiplash, Kniggets or Sharks Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 08:35:44 +0100 X-Priority: 1 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi, With 27 teams paid up (or arranged payment) for Tour V, we are having to take the ruthless steps of limiting the tournament to 28 open teams. We need confirmation from MMJ that they are attending, since we are getting conflicting reports. In addition, we can only accept one team out of Sharks, Whiplash, Kniggets and Bliss. I know that Bliss are struggling for numbers (since half are playing in the women's division), and are happy to lose their place to another team. So, we are looking for the first of those teams to get in touch. Phone 0161-827-8150 (Work) or 01978-852819 (Home) if you want your team to be in this tournament. Our operators are waiting for your call. This may seem harsh, but the payment deadline was last Wednesday, and we still have heard nothing from these teams. Kevin & Jennie. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Jul 7 14:57:13 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id OAA03944 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 14:42:44 +0100 (BST) Received: from mps2.leeds.ac.uk (mps2.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.16.22]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA03939 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 14:42:42 +0100 (BST) Received: from south-02.novell.leeds.ac.uk (south-02.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.76.2]) by mps2.leeds.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA06068 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 14:42:33 +0100 (BST) Received: from LUCS-H12/SpoolDir by south-02.novell.leeds.ac.uk (Mercury 1.31); 7 Jul 98 14:43:17 GMT0BST Received: from SpoolDir by LUCS-H12 (Mercury 1.40); 7 Jul 98 14:43:02 GMT0BST From: "Terry the Architect" Organization: University of Leeds To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 14:42:35 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: britdisc X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.54) Message-ID: <1C5E93D4054@south-02.novell.leeds.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Please could you delete phs6cr@leeds.ac.uk from the britdisc mailing list. Thank you. "Don`t get cocky, it`s gonna get rocky" From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Jul 7 15:00:02 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id OAA06933 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 14:56:41 +0100 (BST) Received: from hotmail.com (f81.hotmail.com [207.82.250.187]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA06921 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 14:56:38 +0100 (BST) Received: (qmail 23072 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jul 1998 13:55:47 -0000 Message-ID: <19980707135547.23071.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 134.36.142.34 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 07 Jul 1998 06:55:46 PDT X-Originating-IP: [134.36.142.34] From: "Jamie Wilson" To: david@mcg.gla.ac.uk Cc: aj@st-andrews.ac.uk, b_okane@hotmail.com, r.fox@lancaster.ac.uk, bgh@st-andrews.ac.uk, jpg2@st-andrews.ac.uk, lagos2@hotmail.com, britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk, c.a.hassall@scot.ac.uk, charles_heenan@stewartivory.ac.uk, charles.mead@easynet.co.uk, ac7wils@st.hotmail.com Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 06:55:46 PDT Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Dear friends A notification of my new email and other contact details: The following are no more: and 23f Shepherds Loan Dundee 01382 660401 My new contacts for the foreseeable future are: and Jamie Wilson 71 Durham Square Edinburgh EH15 1PP 0131 669 6610 I check my email as often as possible, usually every 2 to 3 days. 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Phil From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Jul 8 09:39:16 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id JAA02628 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 09:21:43 +0100 (BST) Received: from ns01.sbphrd.com (firewall-user@ns01.sbphrd.com [208.198.64.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA02622 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 09:21:40 +0100 (BST) From: Suzanne_C_Penfold@sbphrd.com Received: by ns01.sbphrd.com; id EAA13314; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 04:21:39 -0400 Received: from phinet.sbphrd.com(139.136.64.5) by ns01.sbphrd.com via smap (3.2) id xma013281; Wed, 8 Jul 98 04:21:20 -0400 Received: from uksmtp01.ha.uk.sbphrd.com by phinet.sbphrd.com; (/) id AA04765; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 04:21:19 -0400 Received: by uksmtp01.ha.uk.sbphrd.com(Lotus SMTP MTA SMTP MTA v1.1.04 (495.1 10-24-1997)) id 8025663B.002DEA1B ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 09:21:30 +0100 X-Lotus-Fromdomain: SB_PHARM_RD To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Message-Id: <8025663B.002D58EE.00@uksmtp01.ha.uk.sbphrd.com> Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 09:21:54 +0100 Subject: Ultimate hits prime time TV? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk cc: From: Suzanne C Penfold @ SB_PHARM_RD Date: 08-Jul-98 09:21:54 AM Subject: Ultimate hits prime time TV? Categories: Well, that's if you count 10pm on Channel 5 as ' prime time'. I hope everyone saw Fiona and Dave from Chaos giving a blazing performance (OK, performance is probably the wrong word to use here!) on "Sex Life" last night, and yes, there was even a snippet of a Chaos practice. Well done guys. Suze (Skunks) p.s I wasn't actually watching it of course, it was my flat mate's choice of programme.... From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Jul 8 12:55:25 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id MAA00483 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 12:37:45 +0100 (BST) Received: from sxhaa.compuserve.net (sxhaa.compuserve.net [149.174.177.78]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA00458 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 12:37:36 +0100 (BST) From: sally.riggs@ac.com Received: from aamta.compuserve.net (nthnsaab.ibmnotes.compuserve.com [149.174.177.77]) by sxhaa.compuserve.net (8.8.8/8.6.12) with SMTP id HAA28342.; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 07:33:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by aamta.compuserve.net(Lotus SMTP MTA SMTP v4.6 (462.2 9-3-1997)) id 8525663B.003F3209 ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 07:30:15 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ACIN@CSERVE To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Message-ID: <0025663B.0043E6D0.00@aamta.compuserve.net> Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 12:24:03 +0000 Subject: London - Exeter Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Dear All Does anyone have a space in their car / van / minibus / helicopter to Tour V this weekend from London? I am centrally based and would bring some Smarties for the jouney!! Sally Superfly From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Jul 8 14:44:53 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id OAA14775 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 14:30:36 +0100 (BST) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA14745 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 14:30:30 +0100 (BST) Received: from (otto.crispgroup.co.uk) [193.237.6.65] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0ytuIm-00057m-00; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 13:30:29 +0000 Received: from [129.1.1.241] by otto.crispgroup.co.uk (NTMail 3.03.0017/1.aia2) with ESMTP id ca006294 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 14:27:58 +0100 Received: from [129.1.12.77] by homer.crispgroup.co.uk (NTMail 3.03.0012/1.aia2) with ESMTP id ba017681 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 14:27:47 +0100 Received: by raviben810.crispgroup.co.uk with Microsoft Mail id <01BDAA7D.5A043120@raviben810.crispgroup.co.uk>; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 14:33:19 +0100 Message-ID: <01BDAA7D.5A043120@raviben810.crispgroup.co.uk> From: Ben Ravilious To: "'Abeck, Volkmar'" <101.184058@germanynet.de>, "'Angell, Emma'" , "'Batchelor, Peter'" , "'britdisc'" , "'Cosby, Matt'" , "'Denath, Yusuf'" To: "'McMillen, Tom'" , "'Ravilious, Ella'" , "'Ravilious, Kate'" , "'Ravilious, Mark'" , "'Ridley, Ian'" , "'Robinson, Kester'" To: "'Stephen, Dan (Jester)'" , "'Whistler, Frances'" , "'Wilkie, Neil'" Subject: New Identity Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 14:33:18 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Info: Crisp Computing Mail Server Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Dear all, I have a new email address: ben.ravilious@crispgroup.co.uk Please dont send stuff to br5@le.ac.uk any more! As yet no work number but you can reach me on 0403 460866. Bye Ben From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Jul 8 15:44:36 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id PAA22430 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 15:22:06 +0100 (BST) Received: from renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk (renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk [129.215.13.3]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA22415 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 15:22:04 +0100 (BST) Received: from arran.sms.ed.ac.uk (arran.sms.ed.ac.uk [129.215.13.5]) by renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA14852 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 15:22:03 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199807081422.PAA14852@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> Received: from SMS-ARRAN/SpoolDir by arran.sms.ed.ac.uk (Mercury 1.31); 8 Jul 98 15:22:03 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by SMS-ARRAN (Mercury 1.31); 8 Jul 98 15:21:54 +0000 From: "Possum" <9466830@arran.sms.ed.ac.uk> Organization: Student Mail Service To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 15:21:53 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: britdisc X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Please will you delete 9466830@arran.sms.ed.ac.uk from the britdisc mailing list, and also any e-mail beginning Darroch Reid, or Possum, @ ed. or hotmail. Thankyou kindly! Possum (Darroch Reid) c/o Callum ******************************* Keep your smile on your face. ******************************* From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Jul 8 18:08:14 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id RAA12734 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 17:55:39 +0100 (BST) Received: from sand2.global.net.uk (sand2.global.net.uk [194.126.80.50]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA12726 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 17:55:38 +0100 (BST) Received: from client2785.globalnet.co.uk ([195.147.27.133] helo=default) by sand2.global.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #1) for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk id 0ytxVI-0001Oz-00; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 17:55:37 +0100 From: "Debbie Mann" To: "brit disc" Subject: Beth's Bag Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 18:00:04 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Dear All, Sorry to those whom this does not concern. Could the person from Chaos who has Beth (from Red, Leicester) Stranks' bag, please bring it to Exeter this weekend. She managed to leave it in the bar after the presentation on the Sunday of the Chaos tournament a few weeks ago! Thanks very much. Debbie (on behalf of Beth) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Jul 9 10:08:45 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id JAA13399 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 09:50:42 +0100 (BST) Received: from exchpk02.chelt.ac.uk (exchpk02.chelt.ac.uk [194.66.194.6]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA13392 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 09:50:40 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199807090850.JAA13392@pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Received: by exchpk02.chelt.ac.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id <3QMM2682>; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 09:50:59 +0100 From: "HUGHES, Chris" To: "'Britdisc'" Subject: Handicapping Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 09:49:15 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Ok people, time to apply brain cell and think. What I am trying to do is devise a handicapping system which will result in an increased probability in a lower seeded team getting through to the later places in a tournament. So far the most simple strategy seems to be the most effective, in giving the lower seeded team in any game a head start dependant on how many seeding points they are behind their opposition. However I was wondering if any one had any imaginative (and preferably working, but for the sake of entertainment publish anything) ideas on how to penalise the top teams to give them tight games all weekend, irrelevant of the opposition. Chris From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Jul 9 10:50:13 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id KAA21209 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 10:48:19 +0100 (BST) Received: from dirc.bris.ac.uk (dirc.bris.ac.uk [137.222.10.51]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA21202 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 10:48:17 +0100 (BST) Received: from sis.bris.ac.uk by dirc.bris.ac.uk with SMTP-PRIV (PP) with ESMTP; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 10:48:11 +0100 Received: from [137.222.156.36] (langah3.lang.bris.ac.uk [137.222.156.36]) by sis.bris.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA08098 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 10:46:49 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 09:54:56 +0000 From: Raf Freire Reply-To: Raf.Freire@Bristol.ac.uk Subject: Re: Handicapping To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <199807090850.JAA13392@pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Message-ID: X-Authenticated: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk On Thu, 9 Jul 1998 09:49:15 +0100 CHughes@chelt.ac.uk (HUGHES, Chris) wrote: Ok, this bit of bait has to be more interesting than theorising with a hangover about mental representations in animals. >So far the most simple strategy seems to be the most effective, in >giving the lower seeded team in any game a head start dependant on how >many seeding points they are behind their opposition. this only affects the end result- i.e. the game is still the same its just that you've increased the chances of the weaker team winning. This is basically what happens in racing and golf- it works in those two "pastimes" because individuals compete against a clock or scorecard. It (or any similar strategy, e.g. points scored by weaker team count double) would work fine in ensuring "tight SCORING games all week-end". What would be really clever is to level the playing field so that games are TRUELLY tight, rather than just the score being close. HOW? By making it relatively easier for the weaker team to score. For example, you could have two endzone lines, such that the weaker team play on a 25-70-25yds pitch, whereas the stronger team play on a 10-100-10yds pitch. I'm sure there are other (probably better) possibilities, but I can't be bothered to come up with them. Rafi (22) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Jul 9 10:51:04 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id KAA19637 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 10:37:15 +0100 (BST) Received: from rh2.derwent.co.uk (rh2.derwent.co.uk [193.128.218.18]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA19616 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 10:37:06 +0100 (BST) From: amasson@derwent.co.uk Received: from iegate.derwent.co.uk by rh2.derwent.co.uk with smtp (SMAIL3.1.28.1#5) id m0yuEBm-0001E3C;Thu, 9 Jul 98 11:44 BST Received: from ccMail by iegate.derwent.co.uk (IMA Internet Exchange 2.12 Enterprise) id 00039644; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 10:32:34 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 10:32:20 +0100 Message-ID: <00039644.1271@derwent.co.uk> To: "'Britdisc'" , "HUGHES; Chris" Subject: Re: Handicapping Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="IMA.Boundary.457679998" Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk --IMA.Boundary.457679998 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part A head start sounds good in principle, however a top team would just play like demons to overhall the deficit and build a comfortable lead, and then sit back and allow the poorer team to earn a few consolation points, while maintaining their comfortable lead. Therefore instead of giving the lower ranked team (LRT) a head start, why not reward positive play by giving two, three or four points per score to the LRT. This will ensure a tight match all the way through, as the higher ranked team (HRT; hormone replacement therapy) will have to score two, three or four times as many points as the LRT. The HRT will also not able to relax to towards the end of the game (they usually do against LRT, allowing them to score a few consolation points at the end), as an apparently insurmountable lead will rapidly disappear with a few quick LRT scores with a three or four point rating. Conversely the LRT will always be in with a chance, so they will compete right up to the end and not let their heads drop. ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Handicapping Author: "HUGHES; Chris" at Internet Date: 7/9/98 9:49 AM Ok people, time to apply brain cell and think. What I am trying to do is devise a handicapping system which will result in an increased probability in a lower seeded team getting through to the later places in a tournament. So far the most simple strategy seems to be the most effective, in giving the lower seeded team in any game a head start dependant on how many seeding points they are behind their opposition. However I was wondering if any one had any imaginative (and preferably working, but for the sake of entertainment publish anything) ideas on how to penalise the top teams to give them tight games all weekend, irrelevant of the opposition. Chris --IMA.Boundary.457679998 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; name="RFC822 message headers" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Content-Disposition: inline; filename="RFC822 message headers" Received: from rh2.derwent.co.uk (193.128.218.18) by iegate.derwent.co.uk with SMTP (IMA Internet Exchange 2.12 Enterprise) id 000395FA; Thu, 9 Jul 98 10:05:00 +0100 Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by rh2.derwent.co.uk with smtp (SMAIL3.1.28.1#5) id m0yuDl0-0001Daa;Thu, 9 Jul 98 11:16 BST Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id JAA13399 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 09:50:42 +0100 (BST) Received: from exchpk02.chelt.ac.uk (exchpk02.chelt.ac.uk [194.66.194.6]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA13392 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 09:50:40 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199807090850.JAA13392@pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Received: by exchpk02.chelt.ac.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id <3QMM2682>; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 09:50:59 +0100 From: "HUGHES, Chris" To: "'Britdisc'" Subject: Handicapping Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 09:49:15 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk --IMA.Boundary.457679998-- From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Jul 9 10:56:15 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id KAA22075 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 10:53:49 +0100 (BST) Received: from smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk (smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk [193.114.232.134]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA22063 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 10:53:47 +0100 (BST) From: Wayne_Retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk Received: from ccMail by smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk (IMA Internet Exchange 3.01 Enterprise) id 00015432; Thu, 9 Jul 98 10:54:52 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 10:50:28 +0100 Message-ID: <00015432.CE21337@watsonwyatt.co.uk> Subject: Re: Handicapping To: BritDisc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Chris Hughes wrote: >What I am trying to do is devise a handicapping system which will >result in an increased probability in a lower seeded team getting >through to the later places in a tournament. Why? I agree that it could produce some interesting results, here and there, some 'middling' teams may actually be able to beat some of the 'higher' teams that they just never normally get to play, but... >penalise the top teams to give them tight games all weekend, >irrelevant of the opposition. IMHO, you'll need to define 'tight'? For the sake of example, UTI (top of Tour ranking) playing Charnwood Sunz (bottom of Tour ranking, though admittedly this is affected by attendance) in a game to thirteen that starts 8-0 to Charnwood Sunz - is this 'tight' ? Wayne ________________________________________________________________ Notice of Confidentiality This transmission is intended for the named addressee only. It contains information which may be confidential and which may also be privileged. Unless you are the named addressee (or authorised to receive it for the addressee) you may not copy or use it, or disclose it to anyone else. If you have received this transmission in error please contact: ~admin@watsonwyatt.co.uk or IT Manager: +44(0)1737 241144 Fax: +44(0)1737 241496 Watson Wyatt Partners is regulated by the Institute of Actuaries in the conduct of UK investment business. _________________________________________________________________ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Jul 9 11:16:12 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id LAA23916 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 11:04:43 +0100 (BST) Received: from amsta.leeds.ac.uk (amsta.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA23911 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 11:04:42 +0100 (BST) Received: from newton.leeds.amsta (newton.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.64]) by amsta.leeds.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA19200 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 11:05:31 +0100 (BST) Received: by newton.leeds.amsta (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA23193; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 11:05:28 +0100 Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 11:05:28 +0100 From: amtsjh@amsta.leeds.ac.uk (S J Hill) Message-Id: <199807091005.LAA23193@newton.leeds.amsta> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: handicapping X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk ... tee hee ... one strategy that I have seen employed to spice up interest is for one team to secretly award their opponents a point when there is a turnover... That is kind of like Rafi's suggestion. In other words, it becomes easier for the 'weaker' team to score a point. You could also do something like give the weaker team double (or triple?) points if they score a point directly from the pull without a turnover. Si From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Jul 9 11:17:55 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id LAA24891 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 11:11:26 +0100 (BST) Received: from [137.205.222.1] (mac-wie-31 [137.205.222.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA24878 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 11:11:23 +0100 (BST) X-Sender: serai@mail.csv.warwick.ac.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <199807090850.JAA13392@pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 11:13:21 +0100 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: Dave Neilson Subject: Re: Handicapping Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Picking up the lead introduced by Rafi: >What would be really clever is to level the playing field so that games are >TRUELLY tight, rather than just the score being close. HOW? By making it >relatively easier for the weaker team to score. ... you could adjust the pitch, as in Rafi's example: >For example, you could have two endzone lines, such that the weaker team play >on a 25-70-25yds pitch, whereas the stronger team play on a 10-100-10yds >pitch. I'm sure there are other (probably better) possibilities, but I can't >be bothered to come up with them. ... or you could mess with player numbers: e.g. by allowing one team the opportunity to trade in some of their 'handicapping points' for a reduction in the number of opponents on the pitch (or possibly allow an increase in their own numbers). [This thought is inspired by the observations of the 'tightness' of World Cup footy games when players are removed by over-zealous referees!]. You might wish to put upper and lower limits to this trading e.g. no more than 10 and no less than 4 a side?! ... or you could relax the pass completion requirements: e.g. touch is a catch; two-handed touch is a catch; momentary control is a catch. Note that this might most helpful with newbie players or young children who find dropping the disc the biggest distraction from the flow of possession which Ultimate is really based on. And you could allow some combination of these. Good question Chris - let us know how you make use of the suggestions! Sam ex-Stan Chevron AF From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Jul 9 11:23:06 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id LAA26835 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 11:20:31 +0100 (BST) Received: from dryctnath.mmu.ac.uk (dryctnath.mmu.ac.uk [149.170.190.134]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA26821 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 11:20:29 +0100 (BST) Received: from yorktown.mmu.ac.uk ([149.170.132.252]) by dryctnath.mmu.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #2) for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk id 0yuDoZ-00018M-00; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 11:20:35 +0100 Received: from MMU-HOL-YORKTOWN/SpoolDir by yorktown.mmu.ac.uk (Mercury 1.31); 9 Jul 98 11:20:27 GMT Received: from SpoolDir by MMU-HOL-YORKTOWN (Mercury 1.31); 9 Jul 98 11:18:49 GMT From: "Lawrence PAULSON" Organization: Manchester Metropolitan University To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 11:18:43 +GMT Subject: re: handicapping X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <153623952C6@yorktown.mmu.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk I too think that the simple points per seeding wouldn't work very well. With the disparity in levels of play between the top and bottom teams, it would still be easy for a top team just to shut down a less skilled side, leading to an even more depressing defeat for the lower ranked teamas they watch their start overhauled and dismissed. Occasionally in practices in Manchester we've had stronger teams requiring double turnovers, i.e. when the weaker side turns over, they get the disc back for a second attempt. Wayne Retter wrote: > Why? I would say, why not? Off the top of my head, I can't think of any other team sports where handicapping takes place, which should be a red rag to a bull. Ultimate leads the world in not having referees (which kneejerk reaction says couldn't work) so why not attempt another form of innovation and see what happens? Oh, hang-on, I have thought of a form of handicapping in a team sport.. In some American sports they have the college drafts, don't they.... Now how would that work over here? Thanks for brightening up my dull Thursday with this poser, Love & Luck & Level Playing Fields, Lawrence Fingers 6 ------------------------------------ l.paulson@mmu.ac.uk or lpaulson@postmaster.co.uk ------------------------------------- From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Jul 9 11:48:02 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id LAA29601 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 11:36:01 +0100 (BST) Received: from kestrel.mcg.gla.ac.uk (kestrel.mcg.gla.ac.uk [130.209.192.8]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA29595 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 11:35:59 +0100 (BST) Received: from mcg1.mcg.gla.ac.uk (mcg1.mcg.gla.ac.uk [130.209.192.26]) by kestrel.mcg.gla.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA24626 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 11:34:55 +0100 (BST) Received: from MCG1/SpoolDir by mcg1.mcg.gla.ac.uk (Mercury 1.40); 9 Jul 98 11:35:59 +1100 Received: from SpoolDir by MCG1 (Mercury 1.40); 9 Jul 98 11:35:56 +1100 From: "Elisabeth Katsavras" Organization: Multimedia Communications Group To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 11:35:50 gmt+1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Pick us up! X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.40) Message-ID: <4196157742@mcg1.mcg.gla.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk There are two Mud Culture players looking for pick ups at Exeter. Fit, fast players with about 18 months experience. If anyone has a place for them either email me asap and I'll get in touch with them, or phone Glen on 01539-723-078 Thanks Elisabeth Mud Culture From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Jul 9 12:33:03 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id MAA06026 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 12:20:08 +0100 (BST) Received: from gatekeeper.sands.com (gatekeeper.sands.com [193.133.75.180]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA06000 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 12:20:02 +0100 (BST) Received: by gatekeeper.sands.com id AA22599 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk); Thu, 9 Jul 1998 12:19:58 +0100 Received: by gatekeeper.sands.com (Internal Mail Agent-2); Thu, 9 Jul 1998 12:19:58 +0100 Received: by gatekeeper.sands.com (Internal Mail Agent-1); Thu, 9 Jul 1998 12:19:58 +0100 Date: Thu, 09 Jul 98 12:06:40 GMT From: "Caedman Oakley" Message-Id: <9806099000.AA900011986@mailgate.sands.com> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Re: Handicapping Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hmmmm -- 2 points or 3 points per point is used in some of the tournaments in the States, that I know... BUT! How about - (for entertainment reasons) 1 - Trading players to the value of your handicapping.... e.g Shotgun v Druids ---- Roger Thomson has a player value of 8 (say). Druids have a team handicap of Chris Hughes, no sorry - 13 (say). Therefore, Druids can choose to have Roger left out of a point along with someone else who makes up to 13. Rules would have to apply as to how many consecutive points a single player could be left out of the match (otherwise it wouldn't be fair at all), but it means that closely ranked teams would play the full team, and disparate teams would play a lesser version of the Higher Ranked Team 2 - Higher ranked teams have to play 3/4 Lefties and Righties. 3 - HRT have to walk, or play 3 legged Ultimate 4 - HRT has to be drunk or stoned to play (ooh, hang on that already happens in a fair few games....) 5 - HRT has shoelaces tied together..... Cads (in a funny mood at the moment) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Jul 9 13:36:22 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id NAA14874 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 13:22:05 +0100 (BST) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA14863 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 13:22:01 +0100 (BST) Received: from (otto.crispgroup.co.uk) [193.237.6.65] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yuFi3-0003lw-00; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 12:22:00 +0000 Received: from [129.1.1.241] by otto.crispgroup.co.uk (NTMail 3.03.0017/1.aia2) with ESMTP id ta006467 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 13:19:14 +0100 Received: from [129.1.12.77] by homer.crispgroup.co.uk (NTMail 3.03.0012/1.aia2) with ESMTP id ta017855 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 13:18:54 +0100 Received: by raviben810.crispgroup.co.uk with Microsoft Mail id <01BDAB3C.E6A67CE0@raviben810.crispgroup.co.uk>; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 13:24:29 +0100 Message-ID: <01BDAB3C.E6A67CE0@raviben810.crispgroup.co.uk> From: Ben Ravilious To: "'Britdisc'" Subject: Leicester League - First Results Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 13:24:28 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Info: Crisp Computing Mail Server Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id NAA14866 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Tuesday was the first day of proper pool play in the Leicester Ultimate League. The turn out was high with 40 players attending (including eight who had not played before) . People came from Leicester, Nottingham, Milton Keynes, Loughborough, Northants, Coventry - plus two unexpected Europeans (Finland & Austria were represented!). The following six teams were formed: Albatross Backatchababe Clive Derek E - "Porcupine toothpick holder" (dont ask) F - my team who sadly have no name yet but what a letter to choose! Six half-hour games were played and here are the results: AvB 4-6 CvD 8-9 EvF 5-6 AvD 6-6 CvF 5-7 EvB 8-6 As you can see all the games were really close which was a real bonus. I will draw up a proper league table when I get the chance. If any of you out there are still interested we can still accept additions to the league. Not bad for a fiver.... Thanks Ben Note the new email address! From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Jul 9 14:43:23 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id OAA23666 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 14:29:10 +0100 (BST) Received: from gatekeeper.cmht.nwest.nhs.uk (gatekeeper.cmht.nwest.nhs.uk [193.60.159.61]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA23648 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 14:29:05 +0100 (BST) Received: by gatekeeper.cmht.nwest.nhs.uk; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA10854; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 14:16:24 +0100 Received: from pers.cmht.nwest.nhs.uk (pers.cmht.nwest.nhs.uk [159.170.196.35]) by mar003.cmht.nwest.nhs.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA26748 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 14:34:19 +0100 (BST) Received: from MRI_PERS/SpoolDir by pers.cmht.nwest.nhs.uk (Mercury 1.40); 9 Jul 98 14:26:12 BST Received: from SpoolDir by MRI_PERS (Mercury 1.40); 9 Jul 98 14:25:50 BST From: "Harry Golby" Organization: Central Manchester Healthcare Trust To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 14:25:47 BST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Handicapping In-Reply-To: <9806099000.AA900011986@mailgate.sands.com> X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v3.01a) Message-Id: <17CB2624F24@pers.cmht.nwest.nhs.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Good idea Chris. An extension of the system where the stronger team has to force 2 or more turnovers before they get possession of the disc is to give the weaker team a supply of free turnovers they can use up during the game. So if you turnover you can call 'freebie' and you get the disc back, and your team can only do this say 10 or 15 times during the game. Then you might get situations where you save up all your turnovers for the end of the game for a massive comeback, or you only use them up on turnovers just outside the zone....Quite how you work out how many freebies to give a team I'd leave up to Shipley (S) and the other stattos amongst you. Harry Harry Golby Email:HGOLBY@PERS.CMHT.NWEST.NHS.UK Phone: 0161 276 4904 (W) Fax: 0161 276 4980 From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Jul 9 14:49:40 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id OAA26416 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 14:47:18 +0100 (BST) Received: from FIREWALL.target-systems.com (mail.target-systems.com [194.168.207.2]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA26402 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 14:47:15 +0100 (BST) Received: from as400a.target-systems.com by FIREWALL.target-systems.com (IBM Firewall for AS/400/4.2.0) id OAA010.97; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 14:49:24 GMT Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 14:47:58 +0100 To: "Britdisc" From: "Darren Evans" X-From-OfficeVision: "Darren Evans" Importance: medium X-Mailer: IBM Internet Messaging Framework Message-Id: <899992078-0-darren.evans@AS400A.TARGET-SYSTEMS.COM> X-MIME-Engine: v0.58 Subject: re: handicapping MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Id: <899992078-1-darren.evans@AS400A.TARGET-SYSTEMS.COM> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id OAA26408 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Lawrence "Simba" Paulson wrote: < Occasionally in practices in Manchester we've had stronger teams requiring double turnovers, i.e. when the weaker side turns over, they get the disc back for a second attempt.> This is a great idea (Provided somebody can remember how many times they've lost the disc). And provides good experience against say a cup in a strong wind!! Dave Neilson wrote: < e.g. by allowing one team the opportunity to trade in some of their 'handicapping points' for a reduction in the number of opponents on the pitch (or possibly allow an increase in their own numbers). [This thought is inspired by the observations of the 'tightness' of World Cup footy games when players are removed by over-zealous referees!]. You might wish to put upper and lower limits to this trading e.g. no more than 10 and no less than 4 a side?! > Another possibility could be the removal of players depending on the lead. e.g. For every two point lead, the higher ranked team loses a player (i.e. a four point differnce would cost 2 players). Then, Every time the lead is breached, (i.e. the lower rank team score) they get a player back. Thus enabling the lower ranked team a 'catch up' advantage See you all at Tour V Two Hands Night Fever Ultimate From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Jul 9 15:14:52 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id PAA29030 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 15:02:19 +0100 (BST) Received: from dirc.bris.ac.uk (dirc.bris.ac.uk [137.222.10.51]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA29020 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 15:02:16 +0100 (BST) Received: from sis.bris.ac.uk by dirc.bris.ac.uk with SMTP-PRIV (PP) with ESMTP; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 15:02:11 +0100 Received: from [137.222.156.36] (langah3.lang.bris.ac.uk [137.222.156.36]) by sis.bris.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id PAA13672 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 15:01:25 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 14:09:33 +0000 From: Raf Freire Reply-To: Raf.Freire@Bristol.ac.uk Subject: Re: Handicapping To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <17CB2624F24@pers.cmht.nwest.nhs.uk> Message-ID: X-Authenticated: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk On Thu, 9 Jul 1998 14:25:47 BST hgolby@pers.cmht.nwest.nhs.uk (Harry Golby) wrote: > So if you turnover >you can call 'freebie' and you get the disc back, and your team can only do >this >say 10 or 15 times during the game. Then you might get situations where you >save up all your turnovers for the end of the game for a massive comeback Is this what chevron try and do? Would explain how you always manage to clinch defeat from the jaws of victory in our third-fourth play-offs? I think you meant "save up all your FREEBIES" harry let's hear the stattos Rafi (22) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Jul 9 16:08:22 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id PAA14009 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 15:53:59 +0100 (BST) Received: from beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk (beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.129.138]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA14003 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 15:53:57 +0100 (BST) Received: from willow.sucs.soton.ac.uk (willow.sucs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.128.20]) by beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.8/relay-02) with ESMTP id PAA04125 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 15:53:56 +0100 (BST) Received: from soton.ac.uk (moe.aero.soton.ac.uk [152.78.240.163]) by willow.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.8/server-02) with ESMTP id PAA07224 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 15:53:39 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <35A4DA03.3D50FE8C@soton.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 15:56:03 +0100 From: Paul Schuricht X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.5 sun4m) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: BritDisc Mailing List Subject: ultimate in cambridge Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Any ultimate going on in Cambridge on the 21,22 or 23 of July, as I am there for a seminar. cheers Paul From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Jul 9 16:09:11 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id QAA15965 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 16:06:35 +0100 (BST) Received: from exchpk02.chelt.ac.uk (exchpk02.chelt.ac.uk [194.66.194.6]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA15955 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 16:06:32 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199807091506.QAA15955@pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Received: by exchpk02.chelt.ac.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id <3QMM27K2>; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 16:06:51 +0100 From: "HUGHES, Chris" To: "'Britdisc'" Subject: Handicapping Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 16:05:07 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Thanks people for the ideas keep them coming. In the meantime I'll answer some questions; WHY? Well, I'm organising the tournament in Hitchin 'Something fun' (This wasn't supposed to be the tourney name but it appears to have stuck. I intend to use some form of handicapping to even out the tournament whilst a number of players are out at worlds. People say that the weaker teams want to play the stronger teams, but both groups get fed up with the white washing that usually occurs. HEADSTARTS To expand more on the idea of headstarts; Wayne said would an 8-0 head start in a game of Charnwood Sunz against Shotgun really make the game tight. Possibly not. On the other hand a 12-0 headstart in a game to thirteen might. An extreme example for what maybe a 1st seed v 16th seed game. All Sunz need to do is score one point and they've felled the top seeds; unlikely, but possible. This would also get more interesting in the knockout stages on Sunday. The problems are the time aspect. A good session of possession ultimate might make it really a struggle for Gun as the clock winds down, but hopefully teams won't get into blatant time wasting. Unfortunately this relies on good seeding of a team along with handicapping points, especially as it isn't a linear scale. MULTIPLE POINTS Unworkable I think. Unless you want to get into awkward situations you to stick to whole multiples, In a pool of four top seeds get 1 point per score, second seeds; 2, third seeds; 3, fourth seeds 4. So far so good but what about deciding pools in which you have the 4 v 5 game - which is probably close anyway, but now the 4 seeds have to score twice as many as 5 seeds. Multiple End Zone Lines Confusing - which is my end zone again? Am I in? Is playing 110 yards into a 10 yards endzone really going to level a game between the top seeds and bottom seeds in a tourney? Definition Of a Catch Sam's suggestion that a two handed touch is also a catch, as is momentary control. If Spirit applies then fine, although it is liable to break up the flow and result in a lot of false starts on turnover. Besides, this, like a lot of suggestions is fine for the big disparities, but any handicapping system has to account for the small differences between teams as well as the big differences. Player Numbers WINNER! This is workable because it is based upon the score in the game and no predetermined values or anything. Every time a team goes two points up they lose a player - i.e. down to six (wo)men, four points up five (wo)men, etc This means there will never be a complete whitewash, because once the top team goes 12 points up, they will only have one player on the pitch, who, whilst it is possible to score (tip by opposition), will have to do well to score or even play D. Couple this to a staggered return, - i.e. the sixth player can only once the weaker team are within six points, fifth returns at five up, fourth at four up etc. ON P. DIFF OFF P1 --> +1 P2 --> +2 --> P1 P3 --> +3 P4 --> +4 --> P2 P5 --> +5 P6 --> +6 --> P3 +7 +8 --> P4 +9 +10 --> P5 +11 +12 --> P6 Thoughts? Sam asked what I intended to do with these ideas? Well - invitations will be going out this weekend to the inaugural (if all goes well) British Handicap Ultimate Tournament Chris From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Jul 9 16:57:02 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id QAA22498 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 16:43:37 +0100 (BST) Received: from mailhub.abdn.ac.uk (mailhub.abdn.ac.uk [139.133.7.23]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA22490 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 16:43:35 +0100 (BST) Received: from sysa.abdn.ac.uk (sysa.abdn.ac.uk [139.133.7.110]) by mailhub.abdn.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA07625 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 16:43:32 +0100 (BST) Received: from localhost by sysa.abdn.ac.uk; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 16:43:34 +0100 Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 16:43:34 +0100 (BST) From: Nick Lacey Reply-To: Nick Lacey To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Somewhere to stay in Minnesota ... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi, One of our recently departed translantic players has just told me that if anyone is looking for somewhere to stay for the Worlds, she may be able to help. If anyone's interested let me know, and I'll put you in touch. Finding the handicapping discussion interesting, Nick Petroleum Ultimate From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Jul 9 16:57:19 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id QAA22599 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 16:44:01 +0100 (BST) Received: from venus.open.ac.uk (venus.open.ac.uk [137.108.143.2]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA22591 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 16:43:59 +0100 (BST) Received: from blake.open.ac.uk by venus with SMTP Local (MMTA v2.2) with ESMTP; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 16:43:49 +0100 Received: from [137.108.24.136] (dhcp-kmi-136.open.ac.uk) by blake.open.ac.uk (Netscape Mail Server v2.0) with ESMTP id AAB12425 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 16:42:25 +0100 X-Sender: john@blake Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <17CB2624F24@pers.cmht.nwest.nhs.uk> References: <9806099000.AA900011986@mailgate.sands.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 16:48:34 +0100 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: J.B.Domingue@open.ac.uk (John Domingue) Subject: Re: Handicapping Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk I recall an indoors in wolverhampton about a decade ago where the pool positions were decided *solely* on total goal difference. You might get interesting results using this pool format combined with a weighting scheme. john __________________________________________________________________________ John Domingue | J.B.Domingue@open.ac.uk Knowledge Media Institute, The Open University, Milton Keynes MK7 6AA, UK Tel. +44 1908 65-5014 (Fax -3169) | WWWeb: http://kmi.open.ac.uk/people/domingue/ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Jul 9 20:37:26 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id UAA17860 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 20:25:17 +0100 (BST) Received: from oxmail4.ox.ac.uk (oxmail4.ox.ac.uk [163.1.2.33]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA17851 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 20:25:14 +0100 (BST) Received: from sable.ox.ac.uk by oxmail4 with SMTP (PP) with ESMTP; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 20:25:05 +0100 Received: from localhost (some0471@localhost) by sable.ox.ac.uk (1.1/8.8.3) with SMTP id UAA10462; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 20:25:04 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 20:25:04 +0100 (BST) From: Jonathan Palmer To: "HUGHES, Chris" cc: "'Britdisc'" Subject: Re: Handicapping In-Reply-To: <199807091506.QAA15955@pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk I'm not convinced about changing the number of players. I can see a good team getting 5 or 6 points ahead losing a couple of players deciding not to run them selves ragged and not playing for a few points until the scores are level they get their team back and go another 5 points ahead. I can't see this being much fun for either team. I still like the idea of freebie points. How about this each team gets a number of freebie points which is one the than their seeding number. ie. seed one gets no points seed 2 gets one point .. seed 16 gets 15 points etc. These points could then be used in the following way. If a player throws a bad pass which isn't caught or which is D'd by the other team a freebie point can be used to rethrow the disc (from a reset stall count) plus if you have a catching chance (ie got a hand to the disc) but drop the disc you can use a freebie point to call it a catch. With this system even the weakest team could huck the disc to a player in the end zone who only has to get a hand on it to score provided they have points left to use. Jon Palmer OW! jonathan.palmer@some.ox.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Jul 10 08:45:24 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id IAA01705 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 08:29:34 +0100 (BST) Received: from gatekeeper.sands.com (gatekeeper.sands.com [193.133.75.180]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA01700 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 08:29:31 +0100 (BST) Received: by gatekeeper.sands.com id AA14595 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk); Fri, 10 Jul 1998 08:29:29 +0100 Received: by gatekeeper.sands.com (Internal Mail Agent-2); Fri, 10 Jul 1998 08:29:29 +0100 Received: by gatekeeper.sands.com (Internal Mail Agent-1); Fri, 10 Jul 1998 08:29:29 +0100 Date: Fri, 10 Jul 98 08:18:04 GMT From: "Caedman Oakley" Message-Id: <9806109000.AA900084552@mailgate.sands.com> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Re: Handicapping Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Ok, this one is more serious. I was talking about the whole idea with my friend Colin (non-player), and we came up with the following. Rank each team with a handicap number between -x and 0. A -4 team has to score the point 4 times before it is counted i.e. the disc is caught in the endzone (1), passed back out and then back in (2), passed back out and then back in (3), passed back out and then back in (4 and SCORE!). The beauty of this is that it prevents quick breaks from the HRT being the only way they can score because it allows the LRT to get back, it increases the chance of a turnover from the HRT, but it still keeps the flow going. When dealing with 2 -ve numbers all you do is take the difference: -6 plays -4, then the -6 team becomes a -2 team for that game, and -4 becomes 0. Cads From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Jul 10 09:15:31 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id IAA04115 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 08:58:16 +0100 (BST) Received: from mail.grantham.ac.uk ([194.83.4.8]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA04110 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 08:58:14 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199807100758.IAA04110@pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Received: by mail.grantham.co.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id <21GNP808>; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 08:59:52 +0100 From: "Paul Unwin (Grantham College)" To: britdisc Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 08:54:00 +0100 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Is there anyone going through County Durham on their way to Exeter this weekend? A Superfly player of ill repute is without a lift. PLease come back to this email if you are able to help thanks poo (superfly) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Jul 10 10:12:10 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id KAA12044 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 10:04:02 +0100 (BST) Received: from amsta.leeds.ac.uk (amsta.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA12036 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 10:04:01 +0100 (BST) Received: from newton.leeds.amsta (newton.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.64]) by amsta.leeds.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA13919 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 10:04:50 +0100 (BST) Received: by newton.leeds.amsta (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA24887; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 10:04:50 +0100 Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 10:04:50 +0100 From: amtsjh@amsta.leeds.ac.uk (S J Hill) Message-Id: <199807100904.KAA24887@newton.leeds.amsta> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: handicapping X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk I had another couple of thoughts... (kind of based around what other people have said). >From my recollection of handicap systems in other sports I have played, the winner is always the one who's handicap is slightly generous because their form (or team) has changed from that which was used to fix a handicap score. So a handicap that adjusts itself to the current score in a game might be good fun. You could use any or all of the major suggestions: a) require the team in the lead to score a point x times over for it to count, (up to a max of, say, 4) b) remove x players from the team in the lead (down to a minimum of 2) c) allow the losing team x freebie-turnovers per point (up to a max of, say, 3) where in each case x is a number related to the CURRENT difference between the teams scores, (it could actually be the difference, or you might need to scale it slightly). Start at 0-0 playing 7-a-side normal ultimate. Beauty is that close teams will just get to play a regular game without one team being beaten by the handicap system (if a slight mistake is made). You could have a system whereby the team on D gets to choose which handicap is used: multi-score; depleted team; or freebie-turnovers. So there is an element of assessing which suits you best, and suits your opponents least. (Why do this? I think there are plenty of possible games where two *good* players could still beat a full team of opponents simply because of unforced errors.) Trouble is if the teams are v. poorly matched then the game may well be over before the LRT starts to gain the advantage. Oh well. Also - if you want to have fun - why not give each team a JOKER, (oh! we've already got several ho ho ho). When a team plays its JOKER, they score double or triple (or more?) points. I can hear Stuart Hall and Eddie Waring laughing already. I'm so excited about playing again. See you tomorrow! Si (22) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Jul 10 10:12:36 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id JAA11075 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 09:56:30 +0100 (BST) Received: from newsgate.dircon.co.uk (uugate1.dircon.co.uk [194.112.50.20]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA11068 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 09:56:25 +0100 (BST) Received: from dmotive.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by newsgate.dircon.co.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with UUCP id JAA04783 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 09:56:25 +0100 (BST) Date: 10 Jul 98 09:52:30 +0100 From: Oz Freire Subject: RE>Re: Handicapping To: "'Britdisc'" Message-ID: <980710.095230@designmotive.co.uk> X-Mailer: InterCall 1.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id JAA11069 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk RE>Re: Handicapping 10/7/98 How about making the better teams, or better players in a team, wear diving flippers instead of cleats, it would go something like this: Druids have a flipper ranking of 3, whilst UTI are 6.5, this means that if Druids meat UTI, 3 UTI players have to wear flippers whilst Guy may wear just one flipper (opposite team could choose which foot he wears it on, but Guy Bowles may have the option to change it to the other foot at half time). We could also look into increasing the size of the flippers, Roger Thomson could possibly wear a pair of professional diving flippers, or 'FINS' as they are commonly known in the trade!, (Mares are a highly recommended brand), with a very flexible carbon fibre 'pladdle' area, thus impeding his running ability greatly. Alternatively, we could all forget this handicapping nonsense, go out and practice more, improve our disc skills and give the top team TIGHTER games. I would hate to see Ultimate become a TWO-A-SIDE beach sport, where we all wear tight fitting swimming costumes and make tons of money through lucrative TV and sponsorship deals. Oz ShotGun & Marketing Manager of Mares Diving Equipment (UK) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Jul 10 10:51:20 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id KAA16705 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 10:36:11 +0100 (BST) Received: from kestrel.mcg.gla.ac.uk (kestrel.mcg.gla.ac.uk [130.209.192.8]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA16700 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 10:36:09 +0100 (BST) Received: from mcg1.mcg.gla.ac.uk (mcg1.mcg.gla.ac.uk [130.209.192.26]) by kestrel.mcg.gla.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA26499 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 10:35:03 +0100 (BST) Received: from MCG1/SpoolDir by mcg1.mcg.gla.ac.uk (Mercury 1.40); 10 Jul 98 10:36:09 +1100 Received: from SpoolDir by MCG1 (Mercury 1.40); 10 Jul 98 10:36:05 +1100 From: "David Grayson" Organization: Multimedia Communications Group To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 10:36:02 gmt+1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: handicapping X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.40) Message-ID: <5898D70CB6@mcg1.mcg.gla.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk > From my recollection of handicap systems in other > sports I have played, the winner is always the one > who's handicap is slightly generous because their > form (or team) has changed from that which was used to > fix a handicap score. > > So a handicap that adjusts itself to the current > score in a game might be good fun. > The problem with a handicap that adjusts itself during a game is that there is really no reward for a team playing well, because regardless of how well you play (within reason) it will be close. Therefore - who cares? There really is no incentive to play well, or more to the point, to play sensibly. How many teams will we see performing no look thumber hucks most of the game? The other thing is that it will almost always come down to who scores last or a time scramble - HRT goes ahead, gets penalised, LRT makes a comeback, HRT loses their penalty, HRT moves ahead again, LRT catches up etc. - might as well just play one point. As for team winning who was mishandicapped, every tournament has a favourite, it just so happens in this case it would be the team that got their handicap wrong instead of the best team. Will people deliberately talk down their quality beforehand instead of boasting? - nah can't see it! As for novel handicaps - why not drive 12 hours to get there.... Dave. Mud Culture. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Jul 10 11:29:04 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id LAA21830 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 11:14:30 +0100 (BST) Received: from FIREWALL.target-systems.com (mail.target-systems.com [194.168.207.2]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA21820 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 11:14:26 +0100 (BST) Received: from as400a.target-systems.com by FIREWALL.target-systems.com (IBM Firewall for AS/400/4.2.0) id LAA012.62; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 11:16:34 GMT Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 11:14:53 +0100 To: "britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk" From: "Darren Evans" X-From-OfficeVision: "Darren Evans" Importance: medium X-Mailer: IBM Internet Messaging Framework Message-Id: <900065693-0-darren.evans@AS400A.TARGET-SYSTEMS.COM> X-MIME-Engine: v0.58 Subject: Re:handicapping MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Id: <900065693-1-darren.evans@AS400A.TARGET-SYSTEMS.COM> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id LAA21825 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk There may be a flaw in my less players idea! Suppose the LRT turns up to a tourny and they are a few players short! They then happen to pick up a few "dodgy ringers". What would happen to the hanidicap system then? Two hands Night Fever Ultimate From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Jul 10 11:32:11 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id LAA22711 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 11:21:39 +0100 (BST) Received: from exchpk02.chelt.ac.uk (exchpk02.chelt.ac.uk [194.66.194.6]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA22700 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 11:21:37 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199807101021.LAA22700@pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Received: by exchpk02.chelt.ac.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id <3QMM2761>; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 11:21:55 +0100 From: "HUGHES, Chris" To: "'David Grayson'" , britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: RE: handicapping Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 11:20:11 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk So you are suggesting we handicap people based on the distance they have to travel. Short distance, big handicap, big distance no handicap. That could work. -----Original Message----- From: David Grayson [SMTP:david@mcg.gla.ac.uk] Sent: 10 July 1998 11:36 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Re: handicapping > From my recollection of handicap systems in other > sports I have played, the winner is always the one > who's handicap is slightly generous because their > form (or team) has changed from that which was used to > fix a handicap score. > > So a handicap that adjusts itself to the current > score in a game might be good fun. > The problem with a handicap that adjusts itself during a game is that there is really no reward for a team playing well, because regardless of how well you play (within reason) it will be close. Therefore - who cares? There really is no incentive to play well, or more to the point, to play sensibly. How many teams will we see performing no look thumber hucks most of the game? The other thing is that it will almost always come down to who scores last or a time scramble - HRT goes ahead, gets penalised, LRT makes a comeback, HRT loses their penalty, HRT moves ahead again, LRT catches up etc. - might as well just play one point. As for team winning who was mishandicapped, every tournament has a favourite, it just so happens in this case it would be the team that got their handicap wrong instead of the best team. Will people deliberately talk down their quality beforehand instead of boasting? - nah can't see it! As for novel handicaps - why not drive 12 hours to get there.... Dave. Mud Culture. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Jul 10 11:34:55 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id LAA23071 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 11:24:06 +0100 (BST) Received: from exchpk02.chelt.ac.uk (exchpk02.chelt.ac.uk [194.66.194.6]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA23062 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 11:24:04 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199807101024.LAA23062@pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Received: by exchpk02.chelt.ac.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id <3QMM276F>; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 11:24:23 +0100 From: "HUGHES, Chris" To: "'Britdisc'" Subject: RE: RE>Re: Handicapping Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 11:22:39 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk At the risk of bringing this discussion to an end I would like to pick up on something Oz said; -----Original Message----- From: Oz Freire [SMTP:enquiry@designmotive.co.uk] Sent: 10 July 1998 09:53 To: 'Britdisc' Subject: RE>Re: Handicapping Alternatively, we could all forget this handicapping nonsense, go out and practice more, improve our disc skills and give the top team TIGHTER games. Don't we already. Hasn't the standards of the top division of the sport improved, so that if any of the top teams are not playing to the best of their ability they will lose. Up to two years ago, it was a case of the tournament was purely to see who would lose to shotgun in the final. Whilst some would argue that UTI are now in that position I don't feel they are there yet, They may be the leading team at the moment but certainly not to extreme of shotgun / hombres. I think that the top group of teams have caught up Shotgun and as a group have improved. Not only that but are also being caught by the group just behind. But we have to appreciate that four every team that enters the tour, who seriously thinks they have a chance of winning a tour event, there are four or five teams who are there more for the entertainment factor. They want to win, but more importantly they want to have fun. These teams have to be accommodated. It is these younger teams who are expanding the reaches of the game, bring new players in. (This returns to the previous discussion about the role of different teams in developing the game - which I don't want to repeat) Instead we have to encourage the teams with tournaments outside the tour, and do something different by twisting the laws of the game (would the top teams complain about a two point huck line - something which only benefits the better team). Any handicapping system would probably not affect the outcome of the tournament. Any of the top five teams could easily score against weaker teams with only two players by having short guy (aram, adam b, adam h, si hill, jeff) huck to tall guy (rog, richie, lee, paulo, si weeks) who beats people by better disc read and athleticism. But the point is weak teams enjoy playing top teams and seeing how the game can be played, they just don't enjoy the stomping and the piss taking that is usually involved. A handicapping system, like any involved are going to be far more effective at equalising the bottom and middle teams, and also bridging the gap between the middle and top teams, no system is ever going to accommodate the gap between the 1st seed and 32nd seed of a tour event. There appears to be some doubt as to whether people would be interested in playing in such a tournament. Let me know your interest level please (personally - not on britdisc). Cheers, Chris From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Jul 10 11:53:58 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id LAA26893 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 11:48:09 +0100 (BST) Received: from Cypress.Com (janus.cypress.com [157.95.1.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA26873 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 11:48:03 +0100 (BST) Received: from UKDesign.Cypress.Com (cypg.ukdesign.cypress.com) by Cypress.Com; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 03:46:37 -0700 Received: from hook by UKDesign.Cypress.Com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA15529; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 11:45:44 +0100 Message-Id: <35A5F0D4.18B3@cypress.com> Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 11:45:40 +0100 From: James Lutley Organization: Cypress Semiconductor UK Design Centre X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (X11; I; SunOS 5.5 sun4u) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Handicapping Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk One way to ensure tight scoring games is to introduce 'incentives'. For example, for every point that you score, your team owes the other team a round of beers. This simple approach has two benefits: 1. It should result in lots of high scoring draws, and the final placings will be decided by who has the most money. 2. Everyone will be too drunk to complain/care. Of course, like any good concept, it needs to be scrutinised carefully before it is introduced. So in the interests of British Ultimate, Red Shift volunteer to test it out at Exeter. Jimmer -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ James Lutley Tel : +44 1256 416969 Ext 202 Design Engineer mailto:jwl@cypress.com Cypress Semiconductor UKDC http://www.ukdesign.cypress.com/~jwl/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Jul 10 11:54:51 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id LAA26064 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 11:42:04 +0100 (BST) Received: from amsta.leeds.ac.uk (amsta.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA26054 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 11:42:02 +0100 (BST) Received: from newton.leeds.amsta (newton.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.64]) by amsta.leeds.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA17371 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 11:42:52 +0100 (BST) Received: by newton.leeds.amsta (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA25233; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 11:42:52 +0100 Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 11:42:52 +0100 From: amtsjh@amsta.leeds.ac.uk (S J Hill) Message-Id: <199807101042.LAA25233@newton.leeds.amsta> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: rule variations X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk while experimentation seems to be the discussion of the week what about a couple of tourneys (eg Ross? - what do you think Adam?) - trying out a couple of other rule variations that have been mentioned (in the states I think) from time to time. Pulling. Pull goes OB ==> 20 yd brick. If it lands in (or you catch it) you have to play from there ie you can't walk up to the endzone line. That puts more pressure on the player to catch it, and then more people can join the exclusive crucial-pull droppers club... Was there more to the pull-rule changes ? (Sammy? - I'm sure you emailed them to me...) I'd also like to see the 2-pt huck line sometimes. um - I think some of this stuff came with UPA... I"m not suggesting that we have 6 referees per pitch - (or any referees in fact). Si (22) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Jul 10 14:46:45 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id OAA16230 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 14:30:56 +0100 (BST) Received: from backoffice.ftech.net (backoffice.ftech.net [212.32.16.144]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA14482 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 14:22:24 +0100 (BST) Received: from server1.paramount.co.uk (pc2.paramoun.ftech.co.uk [195.200.18.131]) by backoffice.ftech.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA03210 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 14:18:38 +0100 Received: by pc2.paramoun.ftech.co.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id <3S7PQS93>; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 14:19:59 +0100 Message-ID: <15691AE2066BD111914100805FEB4028150A91@pc2.paramoun.ftech.co.uk> From: Peter Harvey To: "'Britdisc'" Subject: Handi-Crap Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 14:19:58 +0100 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id OAA16223 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk whilst we are all discussing the pros and cons of a potential handicapping system, let us not lose sight of the goal. The reason for introducing such a system is to improve the quality of games and/or give everyone a chance of winning. Is that not the reason why the current tour format was introduced? The way to win [the tour] is by playing to the top of your own game and hopefully producing a team performance greater than the sum of the individual players abilities. Is this not what we are striving for, rather than handing ? I'm sure handicapping would make a fun diversion for a tourney. Alas, I would certainly feel uncomfortable 'beating' a better team who had obviously been more competent, but lost out through any slight misjudgement in a handicapping system. We already have enough trouble with the accuracy current seedings! If you want more even games with an unpredictable result, go play a hat tourney. whats wrong with good old vanilla ultimate? Harv ------------- Pete Harvey - Shotgun ><((((º>`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸><((((º>¸. .¸. , . .·´¯`·.. ><((((º>`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸><((((º> From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Jul 10 15:56:07 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id PAA26601 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 15:38:28 +0100 (BST) Received: from charon.cargill.com (charon.cargill.com [167.136.225.225]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA26568 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 15:38:22 +0100 (BST) From: Andy_Lucey@cargill.com Received: from hermes.cargill.com (hermes.cargill.com [167.136.226.140]) by charon.cargill.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA03931 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 09:37:41 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lonn.cgo.cargill.com (lonn.cgo.cargill.com [172.31.59.51]) by hermes.cargill.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA07195 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 09:37:39 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by lonn.cgo.cargill.com (AIX4.2/UCB 8.7/8.7) with SMTP id PAA31184 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 15:37:38 +0100 (BST) X-OpenMail-Hops: 1 Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 15:37:29 +0100 Message-Id: Subject: handicap MIME-Version: 1.0 TO: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; name="cc:Mail" Content-Disposition: inline; filename="cc:Mail" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk it seems to me that someone is missing the point...if you handicap games you're going to ultimately handicap the sport. Ultimate in the uk seems to be progressing pretty well in the uk without pointless tampering. i havent played for a couple of years but without any doubt the domestic game is significantly more competitive today than it probably ever has been in the uk. over the past 15 years- tenants dominated, occasionally threatened by boleros, followed by hombres/ shotgun who were effectively unchallenged for a decade. only now have you hit a point where you cant say for sure who will win a uk tournament- which is more than can be said of many high-profile sports being played in the world at the moment- (brazil to win the football world cup, man utd/arsenal in domestic football, new zealand in rugby, 2/3 guys in tennis) so i think the sport is in a pretty healthy state. oz freire made a valid point however- there is only one way the new teams will stop getting their ass kicked- OUTDOOR PRACTICE- if you cant throw you wont win , so dont develop systems that ultimately compensate for a lack of ability (and being good indoors wont help). anyway, looking forward to seeing the new improved teams at ross where hombres will once again prove the old boys who can throw are still pretty good ! toy From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Jul 10 16:24:50 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id QAA01851 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 16:15:25 +0100 (BST) Received: from smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk (smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk [193.114.232.134]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA01844 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 16:15:23 +0100 (BST) From: Wayne_Retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk Received: from ccMail by smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk (IMA Internet Exchange 3.01 Enterprise) id 00015C12; Fri, 10 Jul 98 16:12:59 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 12:42:23 +0100 Message-ID: <00015C12.CE21337@watsonwyatt.co.uk> Subject: Re[2]: Handicapping To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Author: "Caedman Oakley" > A -4 team has to score the point 4 times before it is counted i.e. the > disc is caught in the endzone (1), passed back out and then back in (2), > passed back out and then back in (3), passed back out and then back in (4 > and SCORE!). Does the scoring team PASS the disc back out of the zone and then assist again (ie a quick set of 1-2's across the line, after a huck, would achive the required result...) or do they WALK the disc back out (and allow the D to set?) to a certain point and attack from there? (The latter seems to be very American Football/Rugby 'conversion'-like? The Sports Council would just love that!) If you fail to score your required X-in-a-row (ie turnover) do you reset the count? or continue from where you left off if/when you get the turnover back... are we going to see "games to 1 point"!? Strangely enough, recent GB training involved games to 3, where each point had to be scored twice, walking the disc back from the zone 20 yards and allowing the D to set - handy for end-zone plays... Oz made a valid point! Maybe we should think more about using these ideas in training, so that we can play better Ultimate in games... Wayne Retter at work: 01737-273611 wayne_retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk mobile: 07970-903420 at home: 01737-242109 wayne@phidelta.demon.co.uk ________________________________________________________________ Notice of Confidentiality This transmission is intended for the named addressee only. It contains information which may be confidential and which may also be privileged. Unless you are the named addressee (or authorised to receive it for the addressee) you may not copy or use it, or disclose it to anyone else. 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The weather was crap, six teams pulled out in the last week (four of which did not bother to inform us of this) and we were let down by some of the facilities. We're sorry for all of that, and hope it didn't affect your enjoyment too much. Now on to a 'brief' report and the results. In the top 8, Catch 22 finally record a win over UTI to win their pool. Druids dramatically lose in sudden death to Chevron having lead 8-3 at half time condemning them to 5-12. In the 9-16 pools, Sneeekys win their pool with some ease, and are joined by Superfly in the 5-12 battle. Blue Arse Flies and red Shift join them from the other pool. The lower pools produce a few upsets with Red II (seeded bottom) winning all their games except for the automatic loss against pool favourites Strange Blue (Sorry Wayne, you were probably right to question the schedule there). On reflection, Red felt they wouldn't have beaten Blue, but probably deserved the opportunity. The other lower pool was much tougher with a three way tie at the top between Uriel, Pookas and Night Fever. Uriel miss out due to goal difference. Sunday morning, and the weather deteriorated rapidly. Gales and driving rain. Druids clinically dispatch Sneeekys and Superfly, and then beat Headrush 15-10 to win the Shield. Strange Blue continue their form beating GB Juniors and Janitors 15-2 (Did they concede more than 2 before the plate final?) and finally have a close game where they beat Skunks 9-7. Down in the bottom 6, Uriel dominate beating their closest rivals Picnic 15-1 (in what was effectively the final). In the top 4, UTI crush Shotgun 21-7, and Catch beat Chevron 21-12 (it was close till 7-7). Shotgun concede 3rd place to Chevron knowing that Catch 'only' have to beat UTI again to take 2nd in the tour, and 2nd seeding at nationals. Anyone who saw the whole of the final, feel free to write a report. From what I saw, it was very close to about 8-8, then UTI pulled out a four point lead which Catch reduced to 2 occasionally, and then let it slip to 4 again. UTI win 21-18. In the women's division, Fandango wide wheels and Fierce dominated, and met each other last (effectively the final). Very close all the way until Fandango won 11-8. Spirit of the game went to Organics in the women's division, and to Sneeekys in the open. Thanks to everyone that played this weekend. I didn't hear any complaints from teams playing 3 in a row on Sunday (which is what had to be done to be finished early). Hope those that wanted to see the football did. Thanks to UTI and Catch for playing a full game which most people stayed to watch. Thanks to Jennie, Jo and all the others for working so hard. Thanks to Wayne, Si Hill and the rest of the U8 committee for their work all year. Final placings. Women's 1 Fandango wide wheels 2 Fierce 3 Organics (Spirit) 4 Women in Black 5 Flying Scots Open 1 UTI (tournament and tour winners) 2 Catch 22 3 Chevron Action Flash 4 Shotgun Wedding 5 Fluid Druids (Shield) 6 Headrush 7 Sneeekys (Spirit) 8 First Touch 9 Red I 10 Blue Arse Flies 11 Superfly 12 Red Shift 13 Strange Blue (Plate) 14 Skunks 15 GB Juniors 16 Village People 17 Mild Mannered Janitors 18 Pookas 19 Night Fever 20 Red II 21 Uriel (Cup) 22 Picnic in the Sky 23 Jedi Children 24 Fingers 6 25 Mohawk Mwnci Magic 26 Slip Disc (Wooden Spoon) Kevin Lowe From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Jul 13 15:37:46 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id PAA29791 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 15:21:18 +0100 (BST) Received: from newmail.virgin.net (newmail.virgin.net [194.168.54.44]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA29757 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 15:21:10 +0100 (BST) Received: from default ([194.168.57.196]) by newmail.virgin.net (Post.Office MTA v3.5 release 217 ID# 0-52107U250000L250000S0V35) with SMTP id net; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 14:21:02 +0000 Message-ID: <35AA1868.67F8@virgin.net> Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 15:23:36 +0100 From: ADAM Organization: KARTING X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E-VN006 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "britdisc"@csv.warwick.ac.uk CC: Bart.EDES@oecd.org Subject: Ross on Wye 98 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Dear peeps Here is the list of teams who have successfully entered Ross this year. Any cheques for teams who did not make it will be destroyed. 1.Hard on Hugh 2.Catch22 3.Chevron 4.Druids 5.Hombres 6.Headrush 7.First Touch 8.Pookas 9.Potatoes 10.Sneeekys 11.Monks 12.Village 13.Gynga Team 14.More Than Just a Hint 15.Whiplash 16.Mud Culture 17.Lurkers 18.GB Juniors 19.Albatross 20.Mwnci 21.Picnic in the Sky 22.GB Women 23.The Old Scrotes 24.Superfly Reserve Teams 1.Scotsgits (Matt Franklin) 2.Strange Blue 3.Slipadisc Everyone is welcome to come down on the Friday evening as normal. Ifanyone needs directions please e-mail me with a fax number and I will forward them to you. Cheers Adam From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Jul 13 19:44:21 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id TAA29589 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 19:31:17 +0100 (BST) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA29582 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 19:31:15 +0100 (BST) Received: from (solarfox.demon.co.uk) [194.222.54.251] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yvnNH-0005wl-00; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 18:31:01 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 19:21:37 +0100 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: Karl Guard Subject: Handicapping. MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (32) Version 4.00 beta 6 <9mEP5LxPiZMLZDgplzJnzOvFEc> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Having read the handicapping debate with some interest over the last week or so I find it hard to see why any sort of system would be introduced. The major problem as I see it is that seeding systems are fallible since team line ups and standards change from year to year and tournie to tournie (even over the course of a weekend when certain key players can only make it for one of the two days.) This year's student outdoors, for example, saw Phat edS seeded 13th because of their performance at the student indoors where we played with two or three injured players. With a fit team at the outdoors however, we finished 6th. A handicapping system based on the seeding would have given the Phat'edS a huge (and unfair) advantage. A cynic might suggest that a team would use this to their advantage in the run up to a major tournie. Secondly, I personally don't see the achievement in overturning a team who are obviously more competent, just because you have a synthetic advantage over them from the start. As has already been pointed out a large number of teams that make up the 30 or so at each tour event know they will not compete with the "big boys" but go to play the best ultimate that they can and have a damn good time with it. To suggest that teams (like us Phat 'edS) would prefer a system where they are given a chance of beating, because they themselves are not as competitive, a team obviously far superior is bordering on being patronising. The current convention on the tournament system works. Day 1 gives a team the opportunity to play teams of all levels and does allow for a shock result. Day 2 sees teams playing others of a similar level for the appropriate places; why does this need changing? Sorry it turned into an essay... love Karl Phat'edS Karl Guard From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Jul 13 23:00:02 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id WAA15210 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 22:48:30 +0100 (BST) Received: from mail.compulink.co.uk (mail.compulink.co.uk [194.153.0.20]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA15205 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 22:48:27 +0100 (BST) Received: (from root@localhost) by mail.compulink.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.6) id WAA06083 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 22:47:54 +0100 (BST) X-Envelope-From: lholden@cix.compulink.co.uk Date: Mon, 13 Jul 98 22:46 BST-1 From: lholden@cix.compulink.co.uk (Louise Holden) Subject: 3 games in a row To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Cc: lholden@cix.compulink.co.uk Reply-To: lholden@cix.compulink.co.uk Message-Id: X-Mail-Software: Ameol2 X-URL: http //www.ameol.com Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Since Kevin raised the issue I feel I have to comment about the schedule at Exeter not on Sunday but on Saturday. I appreciate the efforts of Kevin and his team in the conditions but I just don't feel that some of the arrangements were acceptable at a tour event. I understand that late withdrawal of teams probably caused the odd arrangements for the bottom two pools. However having decided to have one team in each play an extra game was it really necessary to have them play 3 in a row? and on pitches which were at opposite ends of the site!!! Playing two games on Sunday on a pitch with no lines marked was just the icing on the cake. I guess that if it had been a glorious sunny weekend I probably wouldn't of cared, but it wasn't and I do. Paul Holden From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Jul 14 08:41:34 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id IAA11805 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 08:24:27 +0100 (BST) Received: from gatekeeper.sands.com (gatekeeper.sands.com [193.133.75.180]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA11798 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 08:24:21 +0100 (BST) Received: by gatekeeper.sands.com id AA13456 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk); Tue, 14 Jul 1998 08:24:00 +0100 Received: by gatekeeper.sands.com (Internal Mail Agent-2); Tue, 14 Jul 1998 08:24:00 +0100 Received: by gatekeeper.sands.com (Internal Mail Agent-1); Tue, 14 Jul 1998 08:24:00 +0100 Date: Tue, 14 Jul 98 08:13:54 GMT From: "Caedman Oakley" Message-Id: <9806149004.AA900429816@mailgate.sands.com> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Changes in Ultimate Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hiya. Had a great time in Exeter - thanks to the organisers and everyone who came to play during 2 days of awful weather... Anyway.... On the lines of Experimentation 1) I understand the idea of handicapping, and think that perhaps some people are missing the point of Chris' original mail, that this was to "twist" the rules so that effectively more fun could be had by lesser teams, and so that top teams got to play more lesser teams. - It is amazing how much we play the same teams at tour event after tour event. (Or maybe I am missing the point) 2) Changing the rules.... I have reservations about this. Seeing how Ultimate is changing in the states, and looking at its history a little, it seems that the rule changes are a prelude to more physical, less spirited play. Ummmm - sort of rambling there, but then that's me.... Cads From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Jul 14 08:42:14 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id IAA12055 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 08:29:00 +0100 (BST) Received: from gatekeeper.sands.com (gatekeeper.sands.com [193.133.75.180]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA12049 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 08:28:56 +0100 (BST) Received: by gatekeeper.sands.com id AA13508 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk); Tue, 14 Jul 1998 08:28:53 +0100 Received: by gatekeeper.sands.com (Internal Mail Agent-2); Tue, 14 Jul 1998 08:28:53 +0100 Received: by gatekeeper.sands.com (Internal Mail Agent-1); Tue, 14 Jul 1998 08:28:53 +0100 Date: Tue, 14 Jul 98 08:18:36 GMT From: "Caedman Oakley" Message-Id: <9806149004.AA900430117@mailgate.sands.com> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Co-ed Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk This has probably been done to death, but anyways.... Seeing that there were 5(?) women's teams at Exeter, and some women playing on their regular teams only, -> How about more stictly co-ed tournaments? I would welcome the introduction of more co-ed tournaments. 3/4 splits are great, and would prevent the sport going into a Mens/Womens split. Ultimate is a mixed team sport as well as single sex, and it would be really good to see this happening. If I had a place that I could put on a tournament, it would be co-ed... That way people like Gun, UTI, etc would have to find 4/5 women to play. I know that this might seem to some out there that this is because I can't meet women through normal channels (you may be right), but I came into the sport with the co-ed ideal, and am a little sorry to see that it is being forgotten. (except by Red as far as I can see). Thanks for reading, Cads (Whiny Sappy Person) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Jul 14 09:15:33 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id JAA15126 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 09:04:06 +0100 (BST) Received: from gatekeeper.sands.com (gatekeeper.sands.com [193.133.75.180]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA15109 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 09:04:01 +0100 (BST) Received: by gatekeeper.sands.com id AA14197 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk); Tue, 14 Jul 1998 09:03:55 +0100 Received: by gatekeeper.sands.com (Internal Mail Agent-2); Tue, 14 Jul 1998 09:03:55 +0100 Received: by gatekeeper.sands.com (Internal Mail Agent-1); Tue, 14 Jul 1998 09:03:55 +0100 Date: Tue, 14 Jul 98 08:51:08 GMT From: "Caedman Oakley" Message-Id: <9806149004.AA900432214@mailgate.sands.com> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Seems I have caused confusion. What I was trying to point out was the fact that there are very few co-ed *tournaments*, not that there were no co-ed teams (every team I have played on has had at least one woman playing for it). I really was trying to get the point across that as far as I can remember there is only one truly co-ed tournament (Red Co-ed). Sorry for any ambiguity in my statements, I did not mean to cause any offence. Cads. _________________________________ These are my personal views only. _________________________________ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Jul 14 11:05:57 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id KAA00209 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:53:16 +0100 (BST) Received: from shrimp.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (ralf@shrimp [137.205.227.130]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA00203 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:53:15 +0100 (BST) Received: (from ralf@localhost) by shrimp.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA02196 for britdisc@csv; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:53:14 +0100 (BST) From: Ralf Message-Id: <199807140953.KAA02196@shrimp.dcs.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: re: handicapping (fwd) To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:53:13 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL35 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk ----- Forwarded message from Darren Evans ----- >From postmaster@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Jul 9 12:14:29 1998 Received: from guardian.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (root@guardian [137.205.224.93]) by src.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA26511 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 12:14:28 +0100 (BST) Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk [137.205.192.19]) by guardian.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA14337 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 12:14:27 +0100 (BST) Received: from FIREWALL.target-systems.com (mail.target-systems.com [194.168.207.2]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA05119 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 12:14:24 +0100 (BST) Received: from as400a.target-systems.com by FIREWALL.target-systems.com (IBM Firewall for AS/400/4.2.0) id MAA010.28; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 12:16:33 GMT Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 12:15:06 +0100 To: "owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk" From: "Darren Evans" X-From-OfficeVision: "Darren Evans" Importance: medium Priority: normal X-Mailer: IBM Internet Messaging Framework Message-Id: <899982906-0-darren.evans@AS400A.TARGET-SYSTEMS.COM> X-MIME-Engine: v0.58 Subject: re: handicapping Content-Id: <899982907-1-darren.evans@AS400A.TARGET-SYSTEMS.COM> X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by src.dcs.warwick.ac.uk id MAA26511 Lawrence "Simba" Paulson wrote: > Occasionally in practices in Manchester we've had stronger teams requiring double turnovers, i.e. when the > weaker side turns over, they get the disc back for a second attempt. This is a great idea (Provided somebody can remember how many times they've lost the disc). And provides good experience against say a cup in a strong wind!! Dave Neilson wrote: > e.g. by allowing one team the opportunity to trade in some of their 'handicapping points' for a reduction in the > number of opponents on the pitch (or possibly allow an increase in their own numbers). [This thought is > inspired by the observations of the 'tightness' of World Cup footy games when players are removed by over-> zealous referees!]. You might wish to put upper and lower limits to this trading e.g. no more than 10 and no > less than 4 a side?! Another possibility could be the removal of players depending on the lead. e.g. For every two point lead, the higher ranked team loses a player (i.e. a four point differnce would cost 2 players). Every time the lead is breached, (i.e. the lower rank team score) they get a player back. Thus enabling the lower ranked team a 'catch up' advantage See y'all at Tour V Two Hands Night Fever Ultimate ----- End of forwarded message from Darren Evans ----- ____ ____ _ _ ____ .----------------------------------------. _\__ \ _\__ \ / \ / \\__/ | Ranulf Doswell | / \_/ /_ / \_/ \ / / / /___ | Department of Computer Science | \ __ \\ __ \\ \ _\ \\_/ |University of Warwick, COVENTRY, CV4 7AL| \ \ \ \\ \ \ \\ \__/ \\ \ | Phone: 01203 523296 Fax: 01203 525714 | \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \______/ \_/ `----------------------------------------' From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Jul 14 11:11:50 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id LAA02732 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 11:10:00 +0100 (BST) Received: from ntintel1.webleicester.co.uk ([195.146.160.4]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA02713 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 11:09:57 +0100 (BST) Received: by NTINTEL1 with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id <3ZSS7H48>; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 11:10:25 +0100 Message-ID: From: Ian Scotland To: "britdisc (E-mail)" Subject: RE: Co-ed Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 11:10:22 +0100 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id LAA02719 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk As this was brought up..... > How about more stictly co-ed tournaments? Red had planned to run two co-ed tournaments this year, indoors and out. So far suitable venues have been hard to find leaving us now with the prospect of running the outdoors in October.... regionals time!? We thought we had the indoors sewn up, until the venue reviewed their prices.... We would have to charge £90 per team just to break even, and could frankly do without the moaning that would follow such a fee (btw, most halls in Leicester have their prices fixed by the council at £60 per hour.....!!). As Cads said "If I had a place that I could put on a tournament, it would be co-ed..." Therein lies the problem.... Scott From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Jul 14 14:19:50 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id OAA26312 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 14:07:08 +0100 (BST) Received: from nevis.kscl.com (nevis.kscl.com [194.159.98.15]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA26295 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 14:07:05 +0100 (BST) Received: from JAKARTA (JAKARTA [194.159.98.73]) by nevis.kscl.com (NTMail 3.02.13) with ESMTP id la219347 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 14:04:28 +0100 Received: by JAKARTA with Microsoft Mail id <01BDAF30.D9A879B0@JAKARTA>; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 14:08:18 +0100 Message-ID: <01BDAF30.D9A879B0@JAKARTA> From: Fraser Macrae To: "britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk" Subject: Advance notice Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 14:05:54 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi all, Instead of handicapping for closer games... why not just play more HAT tournaments Edinburgh Festival Hat August 15/16 Accommodation in the form of floor space will be provided. Fraser (Sneeeky's) P.S. Hopefully this only gets sent once... From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Jul 14 15:39:45 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id PAA08822 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 15:27:46 +0100 (BST) Received: from mailhub.stratus.com (mailhub.stratus.com [134.111.1.14]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA08807 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 15:27:42 +0100 (BST) From: Stuart_Mullinger@stratus.com Received: from ec.stratus.com (ec.stratus.com [164.152.11.200]) by mailhub.stratus.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA09501 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:32:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by ec.stratus.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA15186 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 15:26:26 +0100 (BST) X-OpenMail-Hops: 1 Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 15:26:15 +0100 Message-Id: Subject: Edinburgh Festival Hat Tournament MIME-Version: 1.0 TO: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; name="Edinburgh" Content-Disposition: inline; filename="Edinburgh" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk The Edinburgh Festival Hat Tournament. Don't miss the opportunity to play some great outdoor Ultimate this summer at the Festival Hat Tourny as well as being in Edinburgh for the thrills of the greatest festival in the calander of festivals: The Edinburgh Fringe and Festival! When: 15th/16th August (slap bang in the middle of the festival) Where: Edinburgh, Peffermill Sports Centre How much: Approx 5 pounds (depends on numbers) Sleeping: Sneeeky's floors/spare rooms etc. Contact: Emma Beatty (emmab@chem.ed.ac.uk) 18, Kilmaurs Road Edinburgh EH16 5DA 0131-667-5336(H) 0131-650-4704(W) Come-play-and-party-with-Sneeeky's. Please get in touch if you intend coming so that we can get an idea of numbers. love Sneeeky's From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Jul 14 16:55:58 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id QAA21931 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 16:40:16 +0100 (BST) Received: from pop.esat.net (ernie.esat.net [192.111.39.10]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA21918 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 16:40:11 +0100 (BST) Received: from sepro.ie (mailserver.sepro.ie [193.120.132.131]) by pop.esat.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA01777 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 17:39:07 +0100 Received: from sepro_peterb [192.168.1.106] by sepro.ie [192.168.1.2] with SMTP (MDaemon.v2.7.SP3.R) for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 16:37:30 +0100 From: "Peter Bennison" To: "Britdisc" Subject: Skunks (Southampton) summertime contact ... Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 16:36:58 +0100 Message-ID: <000801bdaf3d$3d127e90$6a01a8c0@sepro_peterb.sepro.ie> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Reply-To: pbennison@sepro.ie Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Anyone out there know of a Skunks (Southampton) summertime contact name/number/address/e-mail? Thanks Peter Pookas - Dublin Ultimate mailto:pbennison@sepro.ie (W) +353 1 296 4428 From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Jul 14 19:30:07 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id TAA09903 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 19:17:46 +0100 (BST) Received: from newmail.virgin.net (newmail.virgin.net [194.168.54.44]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA09895 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 19:17:45 +0100 (BST) Received: from windows95 ([194.168.235.112]) by newmail.virgin.net (Post.Office MTA v3.5 release 217 ID# 0-52107U250000L250000S0V35) with SMTP id net; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 18:17:44 +0000 Message-ID: <35AB8D24.121@virgin.net> Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 17:55:14 +0100 From: Iain Roberts Reply-To: iain.roberts2@virgin.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-VN710-003 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pbennison@sepro.ie CC: Britdisc Subject: Re: Skunks (Southampton) summertime contact ... References: <000801bdaf3d$3d127e90$6a01a8c0@sepro_peterb.sepro.ie> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Peter Bennison wrote: > > Anyone out there know of a Skunks (Southampton) summertime contact > name/number/address/e-mail? > > Thanks > > Peter > Pookas - Dublin Ultimate > mailto:pbennison@sepro.ie > (W) +353 1 296 4428 Skunks summertime contact would probably be me. Iain Roberts (IEUAN) Skunks Secretary MAILTO:- iain.roberts2@virgin.net From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Jul 14 19:31:30 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id TAA10668 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 19:26:56 +0100 (BST) Received: from newmail.virgin.net (newmail.virgin.net [194.168.54.44]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA10663 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 19:26:55 +0100 (BST) Received: from windows95 ([194.168.59.212]) by newmail.virgin.net (Post.Office MTA v3.5 release 217 ID# 0-52107U250000L250000S0V35) with SMTP id net; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 18:26:54 +0000 Message-ID: <35AB9272.268E@virgin.net> Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 18:16:34 +0100 From: Iain Roberts Reply-To: iain.roberts2@virgin.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-VN710-003 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Britdisc CC: william.parker@baeds1.co.uk Subject: Skunks Contact Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Another contact for Skunks (Southampton) would be Will Parker (Captain) MAILTO:- william.parker@baeds1.co.uk [Will] I read my virgin mail account far more than my university one so mail back to me on this one. I also believe that Pookas are after their money, I thought Tim had it in Exeter! From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Jul 14 19:34:54 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id TAA11403 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 19:33:31 +0100 (BST) Received: from newmail.virgin.net (newmail.virgin.net [194.168.54.44]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA11396 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 19:33:29 +0100 (BST) Received: from windows95 ([194.168.70.96]) by newmail.virgin.net (Post.Office MTA v3.5 release 217 ID# 0-52107U250000L250000S0V35) with SMTP id net for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 18:33:28 +0000 Message-ID: <35AB93FD.6000@virgin.net> Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 18:23:09 +0100 From: Iain Roberts Reply-To: iain.roberts2@virgin.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-VN710-003 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Britdisc Subject: Correction Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk The last message about Will's e-mail address should have the address as follows william.parker@baedsl.co.uk Apologies Iain From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Jul 15 10:46:47 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id KAA07598 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 10:33:19 +0100 (BST) Received: from monsoon.dial.pipex.net (monsoon.dial.pipex.net [158.43.128.69]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA07592 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 10:33:18 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199807150933.KAA07592@pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Received: (qmail 4236 invoked from network); 15 Jul 1998 09:33:17 -0000 Received: from usern291.uk.uudial.com (HELO default) (193.149.84.70) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 1998 09:33:17 -0000 Reply-To: From: "Matthew Lowe" To: "Britdisc" Subject: Leicester league - lost property Date: Sun, 18 May 1997 09:29:54 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk This concerns those who were at Leicester on Tuesday night. I was last to leave and there were 2 items left behind. A Superfly disc, with James' disc written on the underside. A light blue Millets top. If anyone owns them or knows who they belong to, either mail me or collect them from me next Tuesday. Matt Lowe. Matthew.Lowe@Dial.Pipex.com From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Jul 15 13:31:27 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id NAA29432 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 13:16:36 +0100 (BST) Received: from pathway.btX400.co.uk (pathway.btX400.co.uk [193.113.148.3]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA29412; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 13:16:27 +0100 (BST) X400-Originator: COLIN.WAGSTAFF@TRADEINDEMNITY.btX400.co.uk X400-Recipients: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk , britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk X400-MTS-Identifier: [/PRMD=BT-INTERNET/ADMD=BT/C=GB/;0000430002486954000002L342] X400-Content-Type: P2-1988 (22) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 16:28:00 +0100 From: WAGSTAFF COLIN To: "britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk" , ", DDA.RFC-822:britdisc-owner(a)csv.warwick.ac.uk, P:BT-INTERNET" Subject: RE:Advance notice Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <01BDAF30.D9A879B0@JAKARTA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk This discussion about about handicapping tournaments is very interesting and worthwhile and good luck to everyone who plays at Chris's tournament. However, as many a time has been said on Britdisc mainly by Shotgun/Hombres players the only way to improve in real terms is to practice, train and play hard, and enjoy yourself. Now aside from Shotgun the top three other teams in the country, UTI, Catch and Chevron (taken from 98 tour rankings, the fairest way to rank teams at the mo., sorry Druids) all are relatively new teams. What i mean is that they haven't just latched on to e.g. Stan/VH/Druids/Samarui etc who were Shotgun's closest rivals 3-5 years ago. All three teams UTI, 22 & Chevy have players with experience gained with other teams but ultimately they are their own teams which have been developed by the players on those teams. What we (British Ultimate) needs is more teams willing to play and practice hard. We are seeing this with Red and First Touch for example, but we need more teams at the top. Without this the growth and competition which we have at the moment at the top will be lost in a few years. Couple this with further recruitment drives at University and other levels we will hopefully have a sustainable growth in our sport. So, go out and practice, train, have fun, play hard and who knows in two years you may be tour champions. Col. UTI. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Jul 15 14:48:27 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id OAA09807 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 14:35:29 +0100 (BST) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA09794 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 14:35:27 +0100 (BST) Received: from (otto.crispgroup.co.uk) [193.237.6.65] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0ywRiQ-0006Dy-00; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 13:35:27 +0000 Received: from [129.1.1.241] by otto.crispgroup.co.uk (NTMail 3.03.0017/1.aia2) with ESMTP id na007163 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 14:32:56 +0100 Received: from [129.1.11.55] by homer.crispgroup.co.uk (NTMail 3.03.0012/1.aia2) with ESMTP id na018551 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 14:32:38 +0100 Received: by raviben810.crispgroup.co.uk with Microsoft Mail id <01BDAFFE.3C136560@raviben810.crispgroup.co.uk>; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 14:38:30 +0100 Message-ID: <01BDAFFE.3C136560@raviben810.crispgroup.co.uk> From: Ben Ravilious To: "britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk" Subject: RE: Advance notice Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 14:38:23 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Info: Crisp Computing Mail Server Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id OAA09796 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Colin, ---------- From: WAGSTAFF COLIN Sent: 14 July 1998 16:28 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; , DDA.RFC-822:britdisc-owner(a)csv.warwick.ac.uk, P:BT-INTERNET Subject: RE:Advance notice All three teams UTI, 22 & Chevy have players with experience gained with other teams but ultimately they are their own teams which have been developed by the players on those teams. What we (British Ultimate) needs is more teams willing to play and practice hard. We are seeing this with Red and First Touch for example, but we need more teams at the top. Without this the growth and competition which we have at the moment at the top will be lost in a few years. I agree. As long as essentially tart-based teams like your own go on skimming the cream (or is it scum ;-) from other places this will not happen. I hope UTI is the last such team to form in this country. Whilst the levelling of the playing field has been welcome in terms of putting life into the championships your team's existance does nothing for the development of the sport. The expression "Same players - different team" springs to mind when you look at the top teams - but it IS now beginning to change. I say strengthen the "geo" team spec. initially. however, some day soon the ability to practice together will win through. Couple this with further recruitment drives at University Hmm. the good graduates invariably end up playing for tart teams it seems. and other levels we Other levels like your own doorstep - recruit your neighbour! will hopefully have a sustainable growth in our sport. So, go out and practice, train, have fun, play hard and who knows in two years you may be tour champions. Col. UTI. You can count on it. Ben Up the revolution! (don't flame us - we'll flame you!) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Jul 15 15:51:45 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id PAA19230 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 15:38:03 +0100 (BST) Received: from monsoon.dial.pipex.net (monsoon.dial.pipex.net [158.43.128.69]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA19223 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 15:38:02 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199807151438.PAA19223@pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Received: (qmail 29030 invoked from network); 15 Jul 1998 14:38:00 -0000 Received: from usern526.uk.uudial.com (HELO default) (193.149.85.51) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 1998 14:38:00 -0000 Reply-To: From: "Matthew Lowe" To: Subject: Re: RE[2]:Advance notice Date: Sun, 18 May 1997 14:50:57 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk > From: WAGSTAFF COLIN > > All three teams UTI, 22 & Chevy have players with experience > gained with other teams but ultimately they are their own teams which have been > developed by the players on those teams. What we (British Ultimate) needs is > more teams willing to play and practice hard. We are seeing this with Red and > First Touch for example, but we need more teams at the top. Without this the > growth and competition which we have at the moment at the top will be lost in a > few years. Perhaps there should be more incouragement for "geo" teams, what changes to the current system would improve ultimate to the extent were players want to play for a "geo" team rather than teams spread all over the country. It makes more sense to me to be playing for a local team anyway, near for practices, more of them and able to meet people to socialise with more often. Teams that are based in a certain area should reach the top level of ultimate within a short time, as the bonuses of regular practice will really help. Local leagues might also help develope more "geo" teams. > Couple this with further recruitment drives at University and other levels we > will hopefully have a sustainable growth in our sport. This is the best way to improve the sport for the future. More players means more good players and more "geo" teams, plus it could lead to local leagues all over the country, the Tour could end up being more of a spectators event, with lesser teams coming to watch the best players in the country. But what can be done to improve the number of players coming into the sport? Any ideas? > So, go out and practice, train, have fun, play hard sounds good >and who knows in two years you may be tour champions. not bloody likely Matt Lowe Matthew.Lowe@Dial.Pipex.com From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Jul 15 16:19:51 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id QAA23537 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 16:07:18 +0100 (BST) Received: from mailhost.dircon.co.uk (mailhost.dircon.co.uk [194.112.50.75]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA23503; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 16:07:11 +0100 (BST) Received: from [194.112.57.237] (th-eng12-237.pool.dircon.co.uk [194.112.57.237]) by mailhost.dircon.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id QAA25867; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 16:07:09 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: Advance notice Message-Id: <000000826612983360046@daletaylor.co.uk> From: nolan@daletaylor.co.uk (Nolan Taylor, Dale Taylor Ltd) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 16:07:25 +0100 Organization: Dale Taylor Ltd X-Mailer: CommuniGate 2.9.8 Reply-To: nolan@daletaylor.co.uk (Nolan Taylor, Dale Taylor Ltd) To: britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk (, DDA.RFC-822:britdisc-owner(a)csv.warwick.ac.uk, P:BT-INTERNET), britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk (britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk), COLIN.WAGSTAFF@TRADEINDEMNITY.btX400.co.uk (WAGSTAFF COLIN) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk On Tue, Jul 14, 1998, 3:28:00 pm GMT WAGSTAFF COLIN wrote: >This discussion about about handicapping tournaments is very interesting and >worthwhile and good luck to everyone who plays at Chris's tournament. > >However, as many a time has been said on Britdisc mainly by Shotgun/Hombres >players the only way to improve in real terms is to practice, train and play >hard, and enjoy yourself. > >Now aside from Shotgun the top three other teams in the country, UTI, Catch >and >Chevron (taken from 98 tour rankings, the fairest way to rank teams at the >mo., >sorry Druids) all are relatively new teams. What i mean is that they haven't >just latched on to e.g. Stan/VH/Druids/Samarui etc who were Shotgun's closest >rivals 3-5 years ago. > >All three teams UTI, 22 & Chevy have players with experience >gained with other teams but ultimately they are their own teams which have >been >developed by the players on those teams. What we (British Ultimate) needs is >more teams willing to play and practice hard. We are seeing this with Red and >First Touch for example, but we need more teams at the top. Without this the >growth and competition which we have at the moment at the top will be lost in >a >few years. > >Couple this with further recruitment drives at University and other levels we >will hopefully have a sustainable growth in our sport. > >So, go out and practice, train, have fun, play hard and who knows in two years > >you may be tour champions. > > >Col. >UTI. > > ...and people called Shotgun smug !!!!!!!!!!! N --------------------------------------- Nolan Taylor Dale Taylor Ltd Email: nolan@daletaylor.co.uk Tel: 01323 430700 Fax: 01323 430223 --------------------------------------- From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Jul 15 17:50:21 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id RAA05906 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 17:38:13 +0100 (BST) Received: from eagle.eng.warwick.ac.uk (eagle [137.205.144.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA05895 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 17:38:11 +0100 (BST) Received: from eng.warwick.ac.uk by eagle.eng.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id RAA27306; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 17:38:08 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <22033.9807151638@eng.warwick.ac.uk> From: "Andrew Tucker" To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 17:38:06 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: (Fwd) RE: Advance notice Reply-To: Andrew.Tucker@warwick.ac.uk X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk On 15 Jul 98, at 14:38, Ben Ravilious wrote: > I agree. As long as essentially tart-based teams like your own go on > skimming the cream (or is it scum ;-) from other places this will not > happen. Ben, I hate to say it so bluntly, but I'm afraid once again you are talking crap. Without going into too much detail, UTI formed three years ago, most of its team having played and graduated at Warwick together. As players at the time, we were not widely known, but due to ambition, hard work and perseverance we have improved to form what is still the core of a tour winning team. Of course a few extra players have joined along the way and a few have left, but it certainly wasn't a case of skimming the cream. To be honest I don't want anyones cream, especially if it's from Gun or Druids! I know the histories of Catch and Chevy are pretty similar, with the core of their teams being based on old Leeds and Manchester Uni teams. > I hope UTI is the last such team to form in this country. On the contrary I hope more players will go on to form their own new teams, using UTI, Catch and Chevron as examples of what can be achieved. > Whilst > the levelling of the playing field has been welcome in terms of putting > life into the championships your team's existance does nothing for the > development of the sport. Well I'm sorry you feel like that. It would seem to me that the depth and standard of UK ultimate has incresed dramatically over the last few years, in part I would hope to teams such as ourselves. Perhaps it would be better if we go back a few years to when any good Uni player was immediately snatched up by either Gun or Druids, rather than going on to form a new team of their own. > I say strengthen the "geo" team spec. initially. however, some day soon > the ability to practice together will win through. This is the only bit of sense you've written, practice and hard work are obviously crucial to any successful team. > Hmm. the good graduates invariably end up playing for tart teams it > seems. You seem very bitter, is this caused by no-one wanting to play with Red I wonder? > Ben > > Up the revolution! > (don't flame us - we'll flame you!) Five tour events and I'm still waiting.... Keep smiling, Andy - Under-the-Influence From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Jul 15 18:10:02 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id RAA08022 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 17:58:49 +0100 (BST) Received: from mps2.leeds.ac.uk (mps2.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.16.22]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA08011 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 17:58:47 +0100 (BST) Received: from south-02.novell.leeds.ac.uk (south-02.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.76.2]) by mps2.leeds.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA26514 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 17:58:46 +0100 (BST) Received: from LUCS-H12/SpoolDir by south-02.novell.leeds.ac.uk (Mercury 1.31); 15 Jul 98 17:59:33 GMT0BST Received: from SpoolDir by LUCS-H12 (Mercury 1.40); 15 Jul 98 17:59:26 GMT0BST From: "Anthony ( Dr. P ) Proctor." Organization: University of Leeds To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 17:57:14 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Mohawks mwnci summer address. X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.54) Message-ID: <289341362C2@south-02.novell.leeds.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi Anyone out there know of a contact name/ address ( E - mail or telephone no. ) for Mohawk mwnci over the summer ? Thanks. Dr. P. ( Jedi ). Anthony Proctor. BSc. Human biology / Physiology. Flat 3. 1 Kingston Terrace. Leeds. LS2 9BW. Tel; ( 0113 ) 246 9312. E - mail; phs6amp@leeds.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Jul 15 18:14:03 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id SAA09421 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 18:11:36 +0100 (BST) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA09404 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 18:11:32 +0100 (BST) Received: from (otto.crispgroup.co.uk) [193.237.6.65] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0ywV5X-0005bn-00; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 17:11:32 +0000 Received: from [129.1.1.241] by otto.crispgroup.co.uk (NTMail 3.03.0017/1.aia2) with ESMTP id sa007220 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 18:08:02 +0100 Received: from [129.1.11.55] by homer.crispgroup.co.uk (NTMail 3.03.0012/1.aia2) with ESMTP id sa018608 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 18:08:02 +0100 Received: by raviben810.crispgroup.co.uk with Microsoft Mail id <01BDB01C.548950A0@raviben810.crispgroup.co.uk>; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 18:13:56 +0100 Message-ID: <01BDB01C.548950A0@raviben810.crispgroup.co.uk> From: Ben Ravilious To: "'Britdisc'" Subject: RE: Advance notice Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 18:13:50 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Info: Crisp Computing Mail Server Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id SAA09412 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Oh great, another flame war. ---------- From: Andrew Tucker Sent: 15 July 1998 17:36 To: Ben Ravilious Subject: RE: Advance notice On 15 Jul 98, at 14:38, Ben Ravilious wrote: > I agree. As long as essentially tart-based teams like your own go on > skimming the cream (or is it scum ;-) from other places this will not > happen. Ben, I hate to say it so bluntly, but I'm afraid once again you are talking crap. In your opinion. Without going into too much detail, UTI formed three years ago, most of its team having played and graduated at Warwick together. As players at the time, we were not widely known, but due to ambition, hard work and perseverance we have improved to form what is still the core of a tour winning team. Sure - you're a great team (the best in UK it seems) Of course a few extra players have joined along the way and a few have left, but it certainly wasn't a case of skimming the cream. To be honest I don't want anyones cream, especially if it's from Gun or Druids! OK, but where do your players live? Would you call yourself a geo team? When was the last time you recruited a beginner? I am generalising here but I suspect the majority of your players dont have a local team they're supporting. Tell me I'm wrong - I'll shut up then! I know the histories of Catch and Chevy are pretty similar, with the core of their teams being based on old Leeds and Manchester Uni teams. > I hope UTI is the last such team to form in this country. On the contrary I hope more players will go on to form their own new teams, using UTI, Catch and Chevron as examples of what can be achieved. Achievment at tournaments. But achievment in your cities/towns/villages? > Whilst > the levelling of the playing field has been welcome in terms of putting > life into the championships your team's existance does nothing for the > development of the sport. Well I'm sorry you feel like that. It would seem to me that the depth and standard of UK ultimate has incresed dramatically over the last few years, in part I would hope to teams such as ourselves. Well the standard is sooo much better now and thats great. But I'm asking if thats at the expense of developing the player base. Perhaps it would be better if we go back a few years to when any good Uni player was immediately snatched up by either Gun or Druids, rather than going on to form a new team of their own. Er...I think not - isn't that practice dying out now? > I say strengthen the "geo" team spec. initially. however, some day soon > the ability to practice together will win through. This is the only bit of sense you've written, practice and hard work are obviously crucial to any successful team. > Hmm. the good graduates invariably end up playing for tart teams it seems. You seem very bitter, is this caused by no-one wanting to play with Red I wonder? Well its hard not to be a bit bitter when you're up against a team who have grabbed the best players from whereever just to win. I'm saying the ultimate satisfaction is in having nurtured them from year zero. Red are a great example of that and I'm very proud of that (cant you guess ;-) We're also becoming a threat so that makes me feel even better ;-) Colin's original email which sparked this thread just seemed odd because here was a player on what started off essentially as a pick up team preaching about bringing on new players! Maybe there's a dedicated team of Colin's out there! Does anyone else have anything to say on this subject? This is a really vital issue dont you think? Discuss.... We WILL get you one day! > Ben > > Up the revolution! > (don't flame us - we'll flame you!) Five tour events and I'm still waiting.... One season and you're smug.... Ben Keep smiling, Andy - Under-the-Influence From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Jul 15 18:44:39 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id SAA11884 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 18:32:52 +0100 (BST) Received: from pathway.btX400.co.uk (pathway.btX400.co.uk [193.113.148.3]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA11866; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 18:32:45 +0100 (BST) X400-Originator: COLIN.WAGSTAFF@TRADEINDEMNITY.btX400.co.uk X400-Recipients: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk , britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk X400-MTS-Identifier: [/PRMD=BT-INTERNET/ADMD=BT/C=GB/;0000430002497197000002L372] X400-Content-Type: P2-1988 (22) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 16:58:00 +0100 From: WAGSTAFF COLIN To: "britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk" , ", DDA.RFC-822:britdisc-owner(a)csv.warwick.ac.uk, P:BT-INTERNET" Subject: RE:RE: Advance notice Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <01BDAFFE.3C136560@raviben810.crispgroup.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Ben wrote: >As long as essentially tart-based teams like your own go on skimming the cream >(or is it scum ;-) from other places this will not happen. I hope UTI is the >last such team to form in this country. Whilst the levelling of the playing >field has been welcome in terms of putting life into the championships your >team's existance does nothing for the development of the sport. >The expression "Same players - different team" springs to mind when you look at >the top teams - but it IS now beginning to change. >I say strengthen the "geo" team spec. initially. however, some day soon the >ability to practice together will win through. Completely agree with the Geo argument and this will win through. That's why we are part of they way there.....practicing, that's why Shotgun have done so well. Take a look at the their team that played in Vancouver last summer. A very large proportion of their team were training and playing together 3 or 4 times a week. Yes they were all good players but they practiced regularly. That team is argueably the best this country has ever seen at any Worlds or World Clubs. Until the team we send to represent Great Britain at major championships is the best team in the country, that is the team which trains and plays together regularly we (Great British Ultimate) are never going to fulfil our potential at the highest level. As UTI, although we don't practice as a whole squad several times a week we do hold team practices regularly at a venue which is not too distant from any of our home towns (within an hours travelling, and that's good in and around London). O.K. there are exceptions Ian in Edinburgh and Alex in Aberystwyth. This does however meet the current Geo regulations for the tour although we are not registered as a geo team. That's enough for now! C. UTI. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Jul 15 19:07:05 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id SAA14324 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 18:55:15 +0100 (BST) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA14273 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 18:55:12 +0100 (BST) Received: from (phidelta.demon.co.uk) [158.152.248.177] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0ywVlm-0001VK-00; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 17:55:10 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 18:54:05 +0100 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: Wayne Retter Subject: Re: Nationals In-Reply-To: <3630.9807141520@eng.warwick.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Trial Version 3.04 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Andrew Tucker writes >These comments may seem a little biased given UTI's current >position, but I would like to question the future of the Outdoor >Nationals within the format it currently operates. In short what is >the point in continuing to have a one off Nationals tournament now >that we have an established and working tour/league? Hmmm, UTI have never made it National Finals yet, have they :) >It must be remembered that Nationals aren't just used to determine >the UK National Champions, but also which teams can qualify for >world club tournaments. How can a single tournament such as >Nationals, even with careful seeding, be considered to give a more >accurate and fairer ranking of teams than a series of 5 tournaments >spread over a year? Those that know the rules (BTW, he - the RuleMaster - is in France at the moment) better than you or I would explain carefully that it's the current official format to have Nationals to decide who qualifies for Worlds... To change it would, *I* believe (please, someone who knows, correct me if I'm wrong!), require progressive discussion by various sub-groups within the BUF hierachy, and then a vote by the membership at a quorate AGM... Anyone ever been to an AGM that was quorate? (It's not that bad, is it? I'll confess to having not attended one since that Oxford Nationals when Lurkers were seriously undermanned...) >For instance there is far more importance attached to winning the >Premier League both in terms of entry to European competition and >prestige, than in winning the FA or League Cups. I guess that's what's unique about this sport - IT'S NOT FOOTBALL! >PS. Of course I wouldn't suggest anything should be changed this >year, although thinking about it... ... it would be nice to have a decent attendence at the AGM, and get stuff done, wouldn't it? ...it'd be a shame to prevent Catch frm improving on last year's result? Wayne Fluid Druids the team that prevented UTI from making it to Outdoor National Finals, the team that then LOST Outdoor National Finals, for the Xth time the team that wants another go (and believes miracles DO happen!) ---------------------------------------------------------------- Wayne Retter at home: 01737-242109 wayne@phidelta.demon.co.uk at work: 01737-273611 wayne_retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Jul 15 21:38:25 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id VAA27780 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 21:27:06 +0100 (BST) Received: from monsoon.dial.pipex.net (monsoon.dial.pipex.net [158.43.128.69]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA27775 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 21:27:03 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199807152027.VAA27775@pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Received: (qmail 23421 invoked from network); 15 Jul 1998 20:26:59 -0000 Received: from userb731.uk.uudial.com (HELO default) (193.149.83.206) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 1998 20:26:59 -0000 Reply-To: From: "Matthew Lowe" To: Subject: Re: (Fwd) RE: Advance notice Date: Sun, 18 May 1997 20:39:28 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk It is a bit vicious Ben. Just because you live by the ethics of "we find players, not pinch them from other teams" doesn't mean every body else should. UTI have come on loads in a short time and whatever means they did it by (as long as they are legal) shouldn't matter, its just nice to see a new team. If every Uni team that graduated started two or three teams between them it would improve the player base of the sport no end. Do your comments about not pinching the good players mean you wouldn't accept good young players intrested in RED. From what I've seen it seems certain teams (RED, Druids) are on there way down, or at least have not done as well as they had expected to do on this years tour. RED could easily pinch some of the young talent that attended the Leicester League and develope them into great players (some of the Sunz and Tom Webbs Juniors he brought along are good players that just need some working to become really good). Most of them live within "geo" team range of Leicester, would you stick by your policies and not take on these kind of players. I think we shouldn't be arguing about how teams are formed, as long as they keep coming and the sport isn't damaged. To be honest "geo" teams like RED, first Touch and Gun will be the teams that fight it out in future as regular practice will win over natural talent. Thats enough from me for the moment, keep talking, Matt Lowe. Matthew.Lowe@Dial.Pipex.com ---------- > From: Andrew Tucker > To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk > Subject: (Fwd) RE: Advance notice > Date: 15 July 1998 17:38 > > On 15 Jul 98, at 14:38, Ben Ravilious wrote: > > > I agree. As long as essentially tart-based teams like your own go on > > skimming the cream (or is it scum ;-) from other places this will not > > happen. > > Ben, I hate to say it so bluntly, but I'm afraid once again you are > talking crap. Without going into too much detail, UTI formed three > years ago, most of its team having played and graduated at > Warwick together. As players at the time, we were not widely > known, but due to ambition, hard work and perseverance we have > improved to form what is still the core of a tour winning team. Of > course a few extra players have joined along the way and a few > have left, but it certainly wasn't a case of skimming the cream. To > be honest I don't want anyones cream, especially if it's from Gun or > Druids! > > I know the histories of Catch and Chevy are pretty similar, with the > core > of their teams being based on old Leeds and Manchester Uni > teams. > > > I hope UTI is the last such team to form in this country. > > On the contrary I hope more players will go on to form their own > new teams, using UTI, Catch and Chevron as examples of what > can be achieved. > > > Whilst > > the levelling of the playing field has been welcome in terms of putting > > life into the championships your team's existance does nothing for the > > development of the sport. > > Well I'm sorry you feel like that. It would seem to me that the depth > and > standard of UK ultimate has incresed dramatically over the last few > years, > in part I would hope to teams such as ourselves. Perhaps it would > be > better if we go back a few years to when any good Uni player was > immediately snatched up by either Gun or Druids, rather than going > on to > form a new team of their own. > > > > I say strengthen the "geo" team spec. initially. however, some day soon > > the ability to practice together will win through. > > This is the only bit of sense you've written, practice and hard work > are > obviously crucial to any successful team. > > > Hmm. the good graduates invariably end up playing for tart teams it > > seems. > > You seem very bitter, is this caused by no-one wanting to play with > Red I wonder? > > > Ben > > > > Up the revolution! > > (don't flame us - we'll flame you!) > > Five tour events and I'm still waiting.... > > Keep smiling, > Andy - Under-the-Influence > From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Jul 15 23:24:56 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id XAA05984 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 23:12:37 +0100 (BST) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA05979 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 23:12:35 +0100 (BST) Received: from (phidelta.demon.co.uk) [158.152.248.177] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0ywZmo-000151-00; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 22:12:30 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 22:40:39 +0100 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: Wayne Retter Subject: Re: Advance notice In-Reply-To: <01BDB01C.548950A0@raviben810.crispgroup.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Trial Version 3.04 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Andy Tucker> Without going into too much detail, UTI formed three years > ago My memory gets hazy that far back... but here's the detail... originally the theory was to combine the graduating Bears with the graduating Skunks (the top 2 student teams at that time) because neither wanted to join up with the other teams and neither were sure they could survive without doing so... they were "SkEars" at one point...(or was this just a "trial", "indoor" thing?) This reminds me of the "old wise Hombres" + "young fit Regulators" = "Shotgun Wedding" equation... [and, not many years down the line, Stan and Strollers, the teams that traditionally picked up the graduates from these teams disappeared... OK, this wasn't the ONLY reason, but it must have been important to have the supply of youngsters dry up?] Andy Tucker> As players at the time, we were not widely known, What??? The Warwick "Cradle of British Ultimate" Bears, winners of the Karaoke in Newport, and Southampton "University Team of Jeff Jackson" Skunks... I disagree :) Andy Tucker> is still the core of a tour winning team. Well, the old Skunks, if they are relevant here, have gone, and of the Bears you have: Guy, Andy, Colin, Steve, Mark... just a few amoungst the numbers you now have (d'you remember having to include girls to play 7 aside?) Andy Tucker> Of course a few extra players have joined along the way Name names! Danny (returned from Stan) Adam H, Lee, Del (all exMonks, via other places) Alex "Welshy" (Mwnci See founder), Alex (still ought to be a Mohawk!), Dave Trovell (exColchester, via Catch 22), Ian "Jock" (exSneeeky), "Stumpy" Matt (exCatch 22) - and rumours that some of the Shotgun boys are looking for a new team if theirs isn't going to survive... Andy Tucker> and a few have left, Gavin disappeared with a back injury, Rik now plays for Mild Mannered Janitors (for the entertainment value I've heard!), where's Stu these days (seriously?) Andy Tucker> but it certainly wasn't a case of skimming the cream. Well, I suppose not, but it's a shame that Oxford and Mohawks now struggle to put out teams without their inspirational players (OK, I know this isn't the only reason, but you have to wonder...) and all of these players have seen fit to try out and play for the GB squads in the last few years... it's not as though you're teaching anybody new... Ben Ravillious: >I know the histories of Catch and Chevy are pretty similar, with the >core of their teams being based on old Leeds and Manchester Uni >teams. But Catch seem to be suffering now from being located elsewhere (mostly split between London and Leeds?), but not as badly as they might without their increasing numbers of 'high level' experiences (World Clubs, Tour Finals...) and the addition of a player/coach with the knowledge of how to impart his experiences to those under his tutelege... Chevvy *seem* still to be far more 'localised'/geo, but again are mostly benefitting from the addition of experienced players who know how to explain what they've got stored in their brains... Druids - they're all over the shop, but then they always have been. They've got a lot of experience between them, and they've some youngstars (deliberate spelling!) to tell it to. They'd do a lot better if they could actually explain what they know in such a way that the youngsters could understand it - and the experienced players would maybe remember to use some of it, too! Ben Ravillious> I hope UTI is the last such team to form in this >country. Me too! [Stealing second place at Nationals, grumble, moan... :)] Seriously - I'll be most disappointed if teams such as Oxford (the home of the BUF, before Leicester) and Brighton - both once large, strong player bases, fail to be able to field at ONE team because there's nobody around to inspire and coach the newer players in tournaments as well as training. Andy Tucker>Perhaps it would be better if we go back a few years to when >any good Uni player was immediately snatched up by either Gun or >Druids, rather than going on to form a new team of their own. Isn't this what happened when UTI weren't sure they could manage a team of their own for Worlds? Most of them went, but with other teams! Now they've picked up a few more handy players and consider themselves in with a chance, they're looking to be their own team. Ben Ravillious> Er...I think not - isn't that practice dying out now? I think that it's not so much 'dying out' as going underground and establishing deeper roots - a lot of good student players are starting to be associated with other teams before they graduate [eg Locks (Brighton) - Shotgun, Alex (Brighton) - UTI, Dave Barnard (Cardiff) - Catch 22, Si Weeks (Sheffield) - Chevron] and the movement after graduation is hardly noticed. You may have noticed that with Patch as GB Juniors coach, Druids seem to be gaining the odd exJunior or two... though we expect to loose them to Uni teams when they're old enough (sigh!)... On the other hand, Red Shift exist and recruit Skunks who stay in Southampton, and exMythago players are graduating into Headrush if they around Bristol Andy Tucker> I say strengthen the "geo" team spec. initially. How 'strong' should the geo spec be? 'Proper' strength? eg Everyone must be resident AND train regularly within 15 miles? (Is this *really* overdoing it? surely roughly that, or a SMALLER distance, is what we're aiming for?) And, if we did it TODAY... Bye bye Druids, Bye Bye Catch, Bye Bye UTI Hello, Catch London, Catch Leeds, UTI London, UTI Oxford ? *I* doubt it. Hello UTI/Shotgun combo ? Far more likely How many of the experienced players would just disappear, rather than join a 'lesser' team and develop it? [Personally, I don't *think* I would want to play with Lurkers or K- Niggets, if they'd have me! Attend their practices 'to keep running and throwing' maybe; 'drop helpful hints' maybe; but to have the patience to bring them up to challenging for semis, coaching at training AND *playing with them at tournaments* in those early stages (after all, that's the crunch point, isn't it?) - I'm not sure I'd want to spend the rest of my playing time that way, even if it would be time well spent! BTW, there is no poor reflection meant on either of those teams - they're my 'local' teams and should be the ones who *ought* to benefit, to whatever extent from the 'geo' rules being applied to *me*] Hello Red, First Touch, Headrush - guaranteed! Ben Ravillious>Hmm. the good graduates invariably end up playing for >tart teams it seems. because the players themselves are generally individually better? (That's why tart teams are picking up the *good* graduates, right? They just, kind of, do their own thing in the available space!). The tart teams therefore have a whole pile of "get out of trouble free" flash passes and layout catches for when the stall gets high or SMALL mistakes are made, and height, speed, athleticism for the D. No brains required! Until it gets real windy and the tarts come across a team with a D you can't break - nobody really *knows* what each other can do (it just, kind of, happened...) and you have no real tactics to try (you've never needed them before...) until you hit the one that works. The 'geo' teams *know* each other - the different release heights of A's forehand rollcurve and forehand huck, how the number of steps in B's fake tells you which way the actual cut will be, how 7 pints of cider, half a kebab and no breakfast will have affected C's running speed - AND have a practiced set of tactics that require teamwork, X, Y and Z do *this* but it doesn't matter *who* X, Y and Z *are* (even if they are regularly the same people) - these are the moves and throws they need to make... Their players will be solid and fully aware of what's occurring Andy Tucker to Ben Ravillious >You seem very bitter, is this caused by no-one wanting to >play with Red I wonder? Personally, Red are doing very well without any 'star' pickups (but how many teams would like to 'borrow' Scott?). Were we to abolish the non- geo teams RIGHT NOW (a long term objective of the Tour... if you read carefully) they'd be in the top 4 with First Touch and Headrush! Ben Ravillious>Does anyone else have anything to say on this subject? Will this do, for the time being? Wayne Retter thoroughly aware of being hypocritical about geo-teams by virtue (!?!) of being a Fluid Druid, the team that is looking to recruit up- and-coming young stars for the '99 season and Worlds... DON'T ask about Richie... I said YOUNG Anyway, he's already a star! ---------------------------------------------------------------- Wayne Retter at home: 01737-242109 wayne@phidelta.demon.co.uk at work: 01737-273611 wayne_retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Jul 15 23:27:03 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id XAA06965 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 23:25:17 +0100 (BST) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA06950 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 23:25:14 +0100 (BST) Received: from (phidelta.demon.co.uk) [158.152.248.177] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0ywZz7-0002T2-00; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 22:25:13 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 23:23:40 +0100 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: Wayne Retter Subject: Re: (Fwd) RE: Advance notice In-Reply-To: <199807152027.VAA27775@pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Trial Version 3.04 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Matthew Lowe: > Do your comments about not pinching the good players mean you wouldn't >accept good young players intrested in RED. From what I've seen it seems >certain teams (RED, Druids) are on there way down, or at least have not >done as well as they had expected to do on this years tour. Druids, maybe - we knew we were heading for lean times, but had hoped to stay top 4. I think you'll find that Red are doing just fine... >RED could >easily pinch some of the young talent that attended the Leicester League >and develope them into great players (some of the Sunz and Tom Webbs >Juniors he brought along are good players that just need some working to >become really good). Most of them live within "geo" team range of >Leicester, would you stick by your policies and not take on these kind of >players. I think this is Ben's point? Red COULD steal players from the League, but WON'T - they'll train and encourage them at the League... maybe the odd one or two will play with Red occaisionally (foreign events? Brugges?) and maybe a "Leicester League" team will apear at the odd event - but the long-term objective is to get SEVERAL Leicester teams into World Clubs...? Wayne ---------------------------------------------------------------- Wayne Retter at home: 01737-242109 wayne@phidelta.demon.co.uk at work: 01737-273611 wayne_retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Jul 16 00:12:12 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id XAA10317 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 23:59:57 +0100 (BST) Received: from out2.ibm.net (out2.ibm.net [165.87.194.229]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA10309 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 23:59:55 +0100 (BST) Received: from dwilson (slip139-92-21-113.lo.uk.ibm.net [139.92.21.113]) by out2.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id WAA67326 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 22:59:51 GMT Message-Id: <199807152259.WAA67326@out2.ibm.net> Reply-To: From: "Jonathan Sinclair" To: Subject: Looking for Mike Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 22:51:26 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Can anyone give me the contact details for Mike Omeara who is playing disc in Dublin? Cheers Joffers From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Jul 16 08:57:49 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id IAA04604 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 08:44:56 +0100 (BST) Received: from mail1-gui.server.futureview.net (mail1-gui.server.ntli.net [194.168.222.13]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA04599 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 08:44:54 +0100 (BST) Received: from neil-s-laptop ([194.168.18.15]) by mail1-gui.server.futureview.net (Post.Office MTA v3.1 release PO203a ID# 0-33929U70000L2S50) with SMTP id AAA13509 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 08:41:28 +0100 Message-ID: <002d01bdb08d$3b4cad00$0f12a8c2@neil-s-laptop> Reply-To: "Neil Cooper" From: "Neil Cooper" To: Subject: To geo or not to geo Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 08:41:16 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002A_01BDB095.7F35F460" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002A_01BDB095.7F35F460 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable well here's my tuppence worth ...... 1. the new teams that have sprung up in the last few years, catch, = chevy, uti etc .. have raised the level of ultimate in this country. 2. previous to this the best team in the country was geo based, and had = the advantage of a large geo area. 3. the question now is - where do we go from here ? I believe that the standard of ultimate across the board has increased, = particular reference goes to the tour this year with an incredible = increase in the top x teams as a whole, readers can take x to be any = number between 4 and 32 depending on their outlook of british ultimate = as a whole. The majority of these teams are geo based, and the increase = in standard of ultimate as a whole is the natural progression of teams = as the player base gets wider. These are the teams that are able to = practice regularly because they have a large local player base.=20 My feelings are as this continues then the geo teams should, and will = strengthen. I'm not saying that players should not be able to play with = who they want to etc. The question is how many new players are = introduced to Ultimate at the n times a month practices that the non-geo = teams have. To be a true geo team is more than holding practices twice a = month. =20 We are getting to a position where more geo teams are competing at a = high level. Next year we'll have the bi-annual merry-go round for world = clubs. I'm not saying I have a solution to this - of course players want = to play at St. Andrews. Yet will this decrease the strength of = non-qualifying clubs next year in the tour.? in our own position at HR - we have a good geo based team, and practice = regularly. we also have players who play for the other teams, including = the 'top' teams, who live in the area and practice with us. If they did = play for us then this would strengthen our team further, and we would be = in a position that gun has been for quite a few years with the wide = skilled player base that they can draw from as well as hard practice. I = presume that this happens elsewhere in the country too. These players = are more than welcome to the practices, it improves our game and their = skills and experience help the new people who come through. Obviously = this comes up in discussions, and the nature of the sport means that = players who train with us aren't (too) pressured to play with us = competitively.=20 And finally, Colin wrote ......(re: gun) >>Yes they were all good players but they practiced regularly. That team = is=20 >>argueably the best this country has ever seen at any Worlds or World = Clubs.=20 >>Until the team we send to represent Great Britain at major = championships is the=20 >>best team in the country, that is the team which trains and plays = together=20 >>regularly we (Great British Ultimate) are never going to fulfil our = potential at=20 >>the highest level. I have to disagree here - we are by no means at the stage where we send = a club team to World Nationals (if this is what you're inferring). Maybe = 3 or 4 years down the line but at this stage this would destroy the = progress that has been made in the last few years. Anyway - late for work Coops - Headrush #14 ... food for thought, not for flaming, and i know that I / my team is = not whiter than white when it comes to tarting for Druids at europeans = or picking up players for worlds .. =20 ------=_NextPart_000_002A_01BDB095.7F35F460 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
well here's my tuppence worth=20 ......
 
1. the new teams that have sprung up in the last few = years,=20 catch, chevy, uti etc .. have raised the level of ultimate in this=20 country.
 
2. previous to this the best team in the country was = geo=20 based, and had the advantage of a large geo area.
 
3. the question now is - where do we = go from=20 here ?
 
I believe that the standard of = ultimate across=20 the board has increased, particular reference goes to the tour this year = with an=20 incredible increase in the top x teams as a whole, readers can take x to = be any=20 number between 4 and 32 depending on their outlook of british ultimate = as a=20 whole. The majority of these teams are geo based, and the increase in = standard=20 of ultimate as a whole is the natural progression of teams as the player = base=20 gets wider. These are the teams that are able to practice regularly = because they=20 have a large local player base.
 
My feelings are as this continues then the geo teams = should,=20 and will strengthen. I'm not saying that players should not be able to = play with=20 who they want to etc. The question is how many new players are = introduced to=20 Ultimate at the n times a month practices that the non-geo teams have. = To be a=20 true geo team is more than holding practices twice a month.  =
 
We are getting to a position where more geo teams = are=20 competing at a high level. Next year  we'll have the bi-annual = merry-go=20 round for world clubs. I'm not saying I have a solution to this - of = course=20 players want to play at St. Andrews. Yet will this decrease the strength = of=20 non-qualifying clubs next year in the tour.?
 
in our own position at HR - we have = a good geo=20 based team, and practice regularly. we also have players who play for = the other=20 teams, including the 'top' teams, who live in the area and practice with = us. If=20 they did play for us then this would strengthen our team further, and we = would=20 be in a position that gun has been for quite a few years with the wide = skilled=20 player base that they can draw from as well as hard practice. I presume = that=20 this happens elsewhere in the country too. These players are more than = welcome=20 to the practices, it improves our game and their skills and experience = help the=20 new people who come through. Obviously this comes up in discussions, and = the=20 nature of the sport means that players who train with us aren't (too) = pressured=20 to play with us competitively.
 
And finally, Colin wrote ......(re: = gun)
>>Yes they were all good players but they = practiced=20 regularly. That team is
>>argueably the = best this=20 country has ever seen at any Worlds or World Clubs.
>>Until the team we send to represent Great = Britain at major=20 championships is the
>>best team in the = country,=20 that is the team which trains and plays together
>>regularly we (Great British Ultimate) are never = going to=20 fulfil our potential at
>>the highest = level.
I=20 have to disagree here - we are by no means at the stage where we send a = club=20 team to World Nationals (if this is what you're inferring). Maybe 3 or 4 = years=20 down the line but at this stage this would destroy the progress that has = been=20 made in the last few years.
 
Anyway - late for work
 
Coops - Headrush #14
 
... food for thought, not for flaming, and i know = that I / my=20 team is not whiter than white when it comes to tarting for Druids at = europeans=20 or picking up players for worlds = ..  
------=_NextPart_000_002A_01BDB095.7F35F460-- From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Jul 16 09:05:41 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id JAA06017 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:02:45 +0100 (BST) Received: from framestore.sohonet.co.uk (framestore1.sohonet.co.uk [193.203.80.44] (may be forged)) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA06009 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:02:44 +0100 (BST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by framestore.sohonet.co.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id JAA19542 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:01:48 +0100 (BST) Received: from london.fs.local( 192.168.2.150) by framestore.sohonet.co.uk via smap (V2.0) id xma019539; Thu, 16 Jul 98 09:01:36 +0100 Received: from framestore.co.uk (engpc2.fs.local [192.168.1.23]) by london.fs.local (Netscape Messaging Server 3.0) with ESMTP id AAA27705; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:01:34 +0100 Message-ID: <35ADB380.9E9C15BF@framestore.co.uk> Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:02:09 +0100 From: "Sean Holden" Organization: framestore X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andrew.Tucker@warwick.ac.uk CC: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Re: (Fwd) RE: Advance notice References: <22033.9807151638@eng.warwick.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Andrew Tucker wrote: > Ben, I hate to say it so bluntly, but I'm afraid once again you are > talking crap. Without going into too much detail, UTI formed three > years ago, most of its team having played and graduated at > Warwick together. As players at the time, we were not widely > known, but due to ambition, hard work and perseverance we have > improved to form what is still the core of a tour winning team. Of > course a few extra players have joined along the way and a few > have left, but it certainly wasn't a case of skimming the cream. To > be honest I don't want anyones cream, especially if it's from Gun or > Druids! > Just as well Colin isn't a 'cream' player!!! Sean From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Jul 16 09:52:32 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id JAA10246 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:40:06 +0100 (BST) Received: from dirc.bris.ac.uk (dirc.bris.ac.uk [137.222.10.51]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA10235 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:40:03 +0100 (BST) Received: from sis.bris.ac.uk by dirc.bris.ac.uk with SMTP-PRIV (PP) with ESMTP; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:39:56 +0100 Received: from [137.222.156.36] (langah3.lang.bris.ac.uk [137.222.156.36]) by sis.bris.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA25902 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:39:41 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 08:48:04 +0000 From: Raf Freire Reply-To: Raf.Freire@Bristol.ac.uk Subject: Re: To geo or not to geo To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <002d01bdb08d$3b4cad00$0f12a8c2@neil-s-laptop> Message-ID: X-Authenticated: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk I'm glad Coops has picked up on this as there seems to be quite a few people within geo-teams that would like to impose there position on everyone else. Of course we'd all like to practice within 5 minutes of our doorstep with our beloved team. BUT, some players will eventually disperse to other parts of the country, be it for studies or work. I don't think the BUF (we) should prevent players from playing with an established team of friends (sometimes including brothers and sisters) for the narrow minded view of improving the standard of teams. Like so many people tend to say on this list, we play the sport because we enjoy it not because we want to win. Also, most players want to play with others of similar ability, and as you get better the options get smaller, which is why all of the top teams have quite a few commuting players. Thankfully, with the vast improvement in the quality of teams in the UK, players now have the option of chosing an appropriate team near their home. I'd like to think the geo-club rules are there to encourage local teams with regular practices and discourage excessive tarting. I hope they are never going to be imposed on us more strictly than that. Rafi (22) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Jul 16 09:54:21 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id JAA11014 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:47:25 +0100 (BST) Received: from relay2.mail.uk.psi.net (relay2.mail.uk.psi.net [154.32.107.6]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA11003 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:47:23 +0100 (BST) Received: from sys4.cambridge.uk.psi.net [154.32.106.14] by relay2.mail.uk.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0ywjhC-0006km-01; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:47:22 +0100 Received: from geosys.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by sys4.cambridge.uk.psi.net (8.8.5/) with UUCP id JAA03013 for csv.warwick.ac.uk!britdisc; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:41:15 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:29:10 +0100 From: Ian Batty Message-Id: <199807160829.JAA06551.batty@geosys.co.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: A view from elsewhere Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Md5: O605k0GHMnqn4pHtGKBtow== Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk I have been reading the latest mailings on geo teams and finally felt that I could make general comment. I now live in Calgary and have at LEAST 5 potential practices a week with the same people in the city. Tournaments happen with about the same frequency as here in the UK where you get to play with the same people again. Maybe it is just me, but I am bored with playing with the same people that often. I enjoy building a playing understanding with someone, but feel that this understanding improves at an immeasurably faster rate by playing with someone in a tournament rather than at any number of practices. I find that I am actually missing only practising once a week (or less) and a part (I am not sure how major) of the attraction to the game is the social aspect of meeting friends and aquaintances on a less regular basis. When you combine this with playing at a high standard (and I accept that my standard is not as high as some) then the fun really begins. My point is simply that you do not NEED to live near to all the other members of your team. You do not NEED to practice 4 times a week to enjoy the game at a high(ish) standard. If you want to play to play for a team several hundred miles away you should be allowed to do so. And if you being part of that team helps them to play with passion, skill, spirit and most importantly FUN then surely that is to be encouraged. Just my overseas view Batty (VH, Cynics and Alberta Masters) PS Thanks to Wayne for remembering the Strollers- and watch out at Ross; the Strollers and Stan are BACK!@#$! From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Jul 16 10:02:17 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id JAA12109 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:55:28 +0100 (BST) Received: from ntintel1.webleicester.co.uk ([195.146.160.4]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA12088 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:55:22 +0100 (BST) Received: by NTINTEL1 with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:54:54 +0100 Message-ID: From: Ian Scotland To: "britdisc (E-mail)" Subject: FW: (Fwd) RE: Advance notice Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:54:52 +0100 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk -----Original Message----- From: red@ultimateweb.co.uk [mailto:red@ultimateweb.co.uk] Sent: 15 July 1998 18:40 To: britdisc (E-mail) Subject: RE: (Fwd) RE: Advance notice The following statement has been carefully worded with consultation between the Red committee members and lawyers working on behalf of Red..... > > Hmm. the good graduates invariably end up playing for tart teams it > > seems. > > You seem very bitter, is this caused by no-one wanting to play with > Red I wonder? Well done! Good argument!! Whilst Red do not have any grievance with any UTI players or players from any other teams involved in the sport of Ultimate, and take no position in the argument of geo/non-geo/practising/any other type of team, it was felt necessary to respond to the above defamous comment. Whilst referring to the picking up of players in the first instance, it is the ruling to the Red upper chamber committee that Ben's comments were ill conceived and until a ballot is taken cannot be considered representative of the Red proletariat. The official party line is currently such; "No geo-teams are the blood-sucking capitalist win at all costs enemy. The people's team will eventually rise up and bring down the enemy. Up the revolution!" The party membership policy is; "Party members shall be required to attend practices on a regular basis. Once a party member it is impossible to leave. Honorary status is granted to those party members no longer living in Leicester." The Red Upper Chamber "We're not that different to any other team, we just practice 3 x a week and believe that eventually our organisation will overcome our lack of individual talent - hence the communist rhetoric." From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Jul 16 10:37:56 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id KAA16125 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:26:11 +0100 (BST) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA16120 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:26:10 +0100 (BST) Received: from (hottub.demon.co.uk) [158.152.195.248] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0ywkIh-0000bg-00; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:26:09 +0000 From: To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:16:14 +0000 Subject: Re: Advance notice X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.30) Message-Id: Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk I wasn't going to get involved in this discussion but something that Wayne wrote set off a few thoughts. Wayne Retter wrote: > [Personally, I don't *think* I would want to play with Lurkers or K- > Niggets, if they'd have me! I could write almost the same sentence except that I would substitute UTI and Shotgun for Lurkers and K-Niggets (and I can assure you that UTI or Shotgun wouldn't have me :-) ). I don't know much about Lurkers or K-Niggets, however Red II played K-Niggets at Swindon and it was one of the best games of ultimate I've ever been involved in - very evenly matched, hard fought and great spirit. If I lived locally to K-Niggets they are exactly the sort of team I'd want to play for. And the point of all this? Just that different teams work for different people. Everyone has their own reasons for playing ultimate and their own set of expectations - what they want to get out of the game. One of the things I like about playing for Red is that there's a place for me in the B team as a not-very-good player, and if I get fit enough and put the time in there's the carrot of playing in the A team. In the meantime, I get to practice with some excellent players. There are other teams where there would not be a place for me at my current level of commitment and ability. I'm not saying that this is necessarily a bad thing, just that it is the case. Bob - Red II not rising, young or a star :-) ---------------------------------------------------------- -- Bob Archer bob@hottub.demon.co.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Jul 16 10:39:42 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id KAA17066 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:34:05 +0100 (BST) Received: from framestore.sohonet.co.uk (framestore1.sohonet.co.uk [193.203.80.44]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA17055 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:34:04 +0100 (BST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by framestore.sohonet.co.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id KAA20047 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:33:32 +0100 (BST) Received: from london.fs.local( 192.168.2.150) by framestore.sohonet.co.uk via smap (V2.0) id xma020043; Thu, 16 Jul 98 10:33:18 +0100 Received: from framestore.co.uk (engpc2.fs.local [192.168.1.23]) by london.fs.local (Netscape Messaging Server 3.0) with ESMTP id AAA29718; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:33:17 +0100 Message-ID: <35ADC900.3AEA8FFA@framestore.co.uk> Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:33:52 +0100 From: "Sean Holden" Organization: framestore X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Neil Cooper CC: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Re: To geo or not to geo References: <002d01bdb08d$3b4cad00$0f12a8c2@neil-s-laptop> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------C01A78174B5C7D1CDCE06A2A" Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk --------------C01A78174B5C7D1CDCE06A2A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Neil Cooper wrote: > We are getting to a position where more geo teams are competing at a > high level. Next year we'll have the bi-annual merry-go round for > world clubs. I'm not saying I have a solution to this - of course > players want to play at St. Andrews. Yet will this decrease the > strength of non-qualifying clubs next year in the tour.? Red Shift, a geo team, has struggled with player numbers. The team started last summer when skunks were available to play for an open team. This year, those Skunks have stayed with the uni team to bring up the beginner players, which is good. This left Red Shift with enough players if everyone went to every tournie; this hasn't happened. Consequently, the team hasn't done as well as they hoped. Add this to the fact that the better players in the team want to be able to play as St. Andrews, those players are now defecting back to their original teams, Red Shift appears to be dying out. Hence, one less Geo-team! The thought, no incentive to be geo why bother, springs to mind!! Sean --------------C01A78174B5C7D1CDCE06A2A Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit  

Neil Cooper wrote:

 We are getting to a position where more geo teams are competing at a high level. Next year  we'll have the bi-annual merry-go round for world clubs. I'm not saying I have a solution to this - of course players want to play at St. Andrews. Yet will this decrease the strength of non-qualifying clubs next year in the tour.? 

Red Shift, a geo team, has struggled with player numbers.  The team started last
summer when skunks were available to play for an open team.  This year, those
Skunks have stayed with the uni team to bring up the beginner players, which is good.
This left Red Shift with enough players if everyone went to every tournie; this hasn't happened.  Consequently, the team hasn't done as well as they hoped.  Add this to
the fact that the better players in the team want to be able to play as St. Andrews,
those players are now defecting back to their original teams, Red Shift appears to be
dying out.

Hence, one less Geo-team!

The thought, no incentive to be geo why bother, springs to mind!!

Sean --------------C01A78174B5C7D1CDCE06A2A-- From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Jul 16 10:44:06 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id KAA18196 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:41:38 +0100 (BST) Received: from monsoon.dial.pipex.net (monsoon.dial.pipex.net [158.43.128.69]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA18190 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:41:37 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199807160941.KAA18190@pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Received: (qmail 18266 invoked from network); 16 Jul 1998 09:41:35 -0000 Received: from userl006.uk.uudial.com (HELO default) (193.149.73.73) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 1998 09:41:35 -0000 Reply-To: From: "Matthew Lowe" To: Subject: Purple Haze Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 09:52:12 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Could anyone on this list from purple haze please mail me. Matt Lowe Matthew.Lowe@Dial.Pipex.com From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Jul 16 12:02:37 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id LAA26035 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 11:48:20 +0100 (BST) Received: from amsta.leeds.ac.uk (amsta.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA26026 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 11:48:18 +0100 (BST) Received: from newton.leeds.amsta (newton.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.64]) by amsta.leeds.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA09150 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 11:49:07 +0100 (BST) Received: by newton.leeds.amsta (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA09106; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 11:49:07 +0100 Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 11:49:07 +0100 From: amtsjh@amsta.leeds.ac.uk (S J Hill) Message-Id: <199807161049.LAA09106@newton.leeds.amsta> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: I love a good argument, er discussion... X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk I was only away from the computer a few hours, and then this happens.... Anyway, a couple points: 1) the 'geo'-team, as an 'official' term came along with the tour. The idea was to add some rules that would provide an incentive to be 'geo' - without unduly penalising non-geo teams. As far as I'm concerned there will never be any regulation to prevent non-geo/telephone/tart/whatever teams playing as long as I'm involved... (but then I just resigned, so thats not much help). 2) both Catch and UTI are fully seized of the need to be geo. And we continue to make efforts in that direction. I suspect that we still practiced more than many teams this winter (altho not enough). If you were wondering where we were when you were throwing hammers into the sports hall wall, we were outside in the winter sunshine. 3) This sort of discussion always throws up a point that often doesn't get noticed. Because there are very few ultimate players in Europe it is often necessary for the competition to include two different groups of players: the 'serious' ones, playing in teams like UTI and Catch; and the 'less serious' ones, playing for various other teams. (There are some players who can't make up their mind whether they are 'serious' or not...) [NB - I use the word 'serious' in a vague sense - and I'm certainly not critisising anyone.] Thing is (and I've been struggling with this point for the last couple of years whilst trying to make the tour work for everyone) - that these different groups of players have very different aspirations. I have no doubt that many 'less serious' players are not particularly impressed my some of the on-field antics of Catch/UTI/etc players. While the players involved accept what goes on as part of the game; even part of the fun. And we already know that the 'serious' players are often quick to deride those people who don't want to train 4 times a week (esp in the wind) and sleep with a disc under their pillow :) One of the largest problems facing us is how to keep everyone happy whilst at the same time providing opportunities for top players to get better; ambitious players to catch them up; and 'for-fun' players to have fun. And failing to address this issue properly will retard the sustainable growth of the number of players. I think the Tour as it stands has started solving some of the issues that used to bug players... esp. near the top. The challenges (on the competition front) for the next few years are a bit like this (I think): [Of course there are other issues, eg coaching, and these are also continually being looked at by various people.] 1. continue to adapt the Tour so that it works for the changing depth of strength nationwide, and helps with point (2) below, at the same time as continuing to strengthen the top-ish level. 2. improve the competition structure AROUND/OUTSIDE the tour, esp. from the perspective of teams that want to play in a more recreational manner (but will provide the players that move to a more serious level). 3. provide seperate women's competition for those women that want it, WITHOUT making the women that want to play 'Open' feel they can't anymore. I firmly believe that if we get these 3 things right then we will attract and retain more players, and the actual growth of ultiamte will take care of itself. But *more importantly*, people who like ultimate will be happy about how and where and with whom they play. After all, surely that is much more important than the slightly more abstract concepts of 'growth of the sport', and 'public awareness' which we often seem to get hung up talking about as if they are a magic cure-all for anything that didn't seem quite right at the last tourney. Ooh - I've wandered miles away from the point of the discussion - and I don't think I've been very coherent. But I did try... and I didn't flame anyone, and I didn't even make a joke at Colin's expense. I'd better do some work. Si From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Jul 16 14:15:30 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id OAA14503 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 14:01:14 +0100 (BST) Received: from framestore.sohonet.co.uk (framestore1.sohonet.co.uk [193.203.80.44] (may be forged)) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA14495 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 14:01:12 +0100 (BST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by framestore.sohonet.co.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA20814 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 14:00:41 +0100 (BST) Received: from london.fs.local( 192.168.2.150) by framestore.sohonet.co.uk via smap (V2.0) id xma020812; Thu, 16 Jul 98 14:00:28 +0100 Received: from framestore.co.uk (engpc2.fs.local [192.168.1.23]) by london.fs.local (Netscape Messaging Server 3.0) with ESMTP id AAA4390 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 14:00:27 +0100 Message-ID: <35ADF98E.717D08CE@framestore.co.uk> Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 14:01:02 +0100 From: "Sean Holden" Organization: framestore X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: britdisc Subject: For the extremists of you! Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------23DAF790F1C20639E2E0ACF5" Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------23DAF790F1C20639E2E0ACF5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --------------23DAF790F1C20639E2E0ACF5 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Path: london.fs.local!not-for-mail From: Max Tyrie Newsgroups: fs.misc+social Subject: anyone? 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Organization: University of Leeds To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 14:08:14 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Summer practices in Leeds. X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.54) Message-ID: <29D5C480708@south-02.novell.leeds.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi there >From now on summer practices in Leeds will take place at Weetwood Athletic Grounds, near Oxley Hall / Flats, opposite Lawnswood School, on Tuesday's at 7.00.- 9.00 p.m. on Sunday's at 2.00 - 4.00 p.m. Anyone is welcome, bring a friend ! Any problems getting there give me a ring. Dr. P. ( Jedi ). Anthony Proctor. BSc. Human biology / Physiology. Flat 3. 1 Kingston Terrace. Leeds. LS2 9BW. Tel; ( 0113 ) 246 9312. E - mail; phs6amp@leeds.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Jul 16 14:39:12 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id OAA18348 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 14:26:01 +0100 (BST) Received: from ns.irlgov.ie (firewall-user@ns.irlgov.ie [193.1.228.2]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA18332 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 14:25:57 +0100 (BST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by ns.irlgov.ie (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA00672 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 15:42:11 +0100 (GMT/IST) Received: from nat-alias.irlgov.ie(192.168.210.5) by ns.irlgov.ie via smap (4.1) id xma000566; Thu, 16 Jul 98 15:41:12 +0100 Received: from gate.iveagh.irlgov.ie ([20.1.1.1]) by nat.irlgov.ie (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA22603 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 14:33:28 +0100 (BST) Received: (from fwtk@localhost) by gate.iveagh.irlgov.ie (8.8.5/8.7.3) id OAA23091 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 14:29:50 +0100 Received: from msmailgw(6.0.0.253) by gate.iveagh.irlgov.ie via smap (V2.0) id xma023087; Thu, 16 Jul 98 14:29:30 +0100 Received: by maillhost.msmail with Microsoft Mail id <35AE7147@maillhost.msmail>; Thu, 16 Jul 98 14:31:51 PDT From: McFeely Gareth To: "'britdisc2'" Subject: Found Property - Exeter Date: Thu, 16 Jul 98 14:30:00 PDT Message-ID: <35AE7147@maillhost.msmail> X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk A Vancouver World Clubs disc with the words 'pastil loser' written in magic marker on the back was accidentally picked up by Pookas at Exeter last weekend. If the owner him/herself or someone else recognises this cryptic inscription, I'll get the disc back to them at Ross in a couple of weeks. Gareth Pookas From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Jul 16 15:44:55 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id PAA29199 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 15:32:19 +0100 (BST) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA29194 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 15:32:17 +0100 (BST) Received: from (otto.crispgroup.co.uk) [193.237.6.65] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0ywp4t-0007eC-00; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 14:32:16 +0000 Received: from [129.1.1.241] by otto.crispgroup.co.uk (NTMail 3.03.0017/1.aia2) with ESMTP id xa007381 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 15:28:50 +0100 Received: from [129.1.11.55] by homer.crispgroup.co.uk (NTMail 3.03.0012/1.aia2) with ESMTP id va018767 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 15:28:53 +0100 Received: by raviben810.crispgroup.co.uk with Microsoft Mail id <01BDB0CF.45D8D900@raviben810.crispgroup.co.uk>; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 15:34:51 +0100 Message-ID: <01BDB0CF.45D8D900@raviben810.crispgroup.co.uk> From: Ben Ravilious To: "'Britdisc'" Subject: Leicester League Update Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 15:34:45 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Info: Crisp Computing Mail Server Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Here is the latest league table for the league. Team Played W D L Points GF GA Goal Diff C 5 3 0 2 6 46 31 15 E 4 2 1 1 5 25 20 5 D 4 2 1 1 5 29 29 0 F 2 2 0 0 4 13 10 3 A 4 0 2 2 2 20 27 -7 B 5 1 0 4 2 22 38 -16 Note that due to the Milton Keynes crew car breaking down Tuesday some teams have had to play more games than others. New players always welcome... Ben From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Jul 16 19:07:55 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id SAA28131 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 18:50:05 +0100 (BST) Received: from send1e.yahoomail.com (send1e.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.64]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA28119 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 18:50:04 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <19980716174850.22749.rocketmail@send1e.yahoomail.com> Received: from [206.66.217.89] by send1e; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:48:50 PDT Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:48:50 -0700 (PDT) From: neill curtis Subject: see ya To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk thanks for the great time with british ultimate, keep up the good work. special thanks to the lus and all the players on shotgun and first touch. practice makes perfect!! loved it all esp. the tour. neill curtis _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Jul 16 20:25:04 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id UAA05090 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 20:12:09 +0100 (BST) Received: from newmail.virgin.net (newmail.virgin.net [194.168.54.44]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA05085 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 20:12:07 +0100 (BST) Received: from windows95 ([194.168.120.130]) by newmail.virgin.net (Post.Office MTA v3.5 release 217 ID# 0-52107U250000L250000S0V35) with SMTP id net for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 19:12:06 +0000 Message-ID: <35AE4001.3C3F@virgin.net> Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 19:01:37 +0100 From: Iain Roberts Reply-To: iain.roberts2@virgin.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-VN710-003 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Britdisc Subject: Current Discussion Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi BDer's, Although I don't like to join in these conversations/arguments due to lack of knowledge and only having played the sport for this year, it is interesting to read the discussions and some thoughts get triggered. Wayne said that Uni teams were having trouble putting teams into the competitions, and he made note of Mohawks and Oxford. He also put this down to their key players playing for other (well established) open teams. You may not be aware of the trouble that Skunks had putting teams into the early Tour events, as possibly the results show. However we did persevere and managed to get to 2 plate finals in the last two Tours. We were very pleased with this result, and wonder what could of happened if their had been a bit more commitment from our squad. He also mentioned how Red Shift set up as a 'geo' open team, as a result of the current Skunks not practicing as much with Shift, the team looks to be disbanded. This is a shame but it does bring a whole load of very good players into the field for other teams to pick up. Some have ties to other teams through guest appearences etc. Others do not, these include the people that have played their last year with Skunks and have now graduated. Players like Squaddie, Andy Vaughn, Neil Gunn etc. Also there will be another group of very good players graduating next year, potentialy with no obvious place to go. Players like Will Parker, Sanjay Lutchemiah and Myself. This is the case for alot of university teams, where there is is no obvious team to join, then there needs to be an effort from the open teams to "spot" (probably the wrong choice of word given the discussion) players that have potential from all the university sides. Anyway - Thanks for a great Tour, I know all of the Skunks enjoyed the events a great deal. See you all at the BUF open - hopefully. Iain Roberts (IEUAN) Skunks Sec. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Jul 16 23:38:19 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id XAA20950 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 23:26:13 +0100 (BST) Received: from monsoon.dial.pipex.net (monsoon.dial.pipex.net [158.43.128.69]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA20937 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 23:26:09 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199807162226.XAA20937@pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Received: (qmail 27394 invoked from network); 16 Jul 1998 22:26:08 -0000 Received: from userm253.uk.uudial.com (HELO default) (193.149.78.49) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 1998 22:26:08 -0000 Reply-To: From: "Matthew Lowe" To: "Britdisc" Subject: Re: Current Discussion Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 22:39:32 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk > From: Iain Roberts > > He also mentioned how Red Shift set up as a 'geo' open team, as a result > of the current Skunks not practicing as much with Shift, the team looks > to be disbanded. This is a shame but it does bring a whole load of very > good players into the field for other teams to pick up. Some have ties > to other teams through guest appearences etc. Others do not, these > include the people that have played their last year with Skunks and have > now graduated. Players like Squaddie, Andy Vaughn, Neil Gunn etc. Also > there will be another group of very good players graduating next year, > potentialy with no obvious place to go. Players like Will Parker, > Sanjay Lutchemiah and Myself. This is the case for alot of university > teams, where there is is no obvious team to join, It would be so much better if players like these, that had the ability/time/energy to do coaching/run a team, did so instead of signing up for a team 150 miles away. Players like these could join up with other graduates in the local area (say 50 miles (i'm sure every graduate could find someone within that range)) and started their own teams with friends/workmates etc. I know it might not be everyones cup of tea/coffee/and to a lesser extent sunny delight but it would help improve the number of ultimate players in the country and I'm sure some of these great players could produce geo teams of the same ability as RED and First Touch. > then there needs to be > an effort from the open teams to "spot" (probably the wrong choice of > word given the discussion) players that have potential from all the > university sides. Surely open teams should be trying to find people locally to join their ranks. Though I suppose you could be right if open teams are pinching graduates that live in their local area. I don't dislike teams that cream off the best talent, but I feel that geo teams are more likely to stand the test of time, and are more attractive to new comers, so I feel there should be more incouragement of them. In my own mind I can't think of anything more satisfiying than raising a team from nothing to be a great team. As for the developement of the sport, I understand the problem that Si Hill was on about. The problem is the sport is 3 tiered, those who are really competative, those that want to be at the top but also play for fun, and those that play just for socialising and fun. We need to consider all parties when trying to advance the sport for all of them. You could split the tour into divisions, like you have at big events like the worlds eg. Masters, Open, Co-ed, Juniors, Womens etc. but maybe on a division scale eg. 1st, 2nd and 3rd divisions, with the possibility of getting relagated or promoted. I don't have the greatest understanding of the current system but I know it is a great one and probably involves the kind of ranking system I just mentioned already, but I think it would not hert if it was made more obvious/definate eg. 3 groups of 9. I'd like to hear others opinions on this, but just don't mail me saying the tour is great as it is, because I know it is, I'm not attacking the tour just thinking of ways to develope the sport so everyone gets their way. That enough of my babbling for now i'll leave you all in peace (for the moment), Matt Lowe. Matthew.Lowe@Dial.Pipex.com From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Jul 17 07:02:38 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id QAA19156 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 16:20:32 +0100 (BST) Received: from eagle.eng.warwick.ac.uk (eagle [137.205.144.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA19143 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 16:20:30 +0100 (BST) Received: from eng.warwick.ac.uk by eagle.eng.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id QAA20638; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 16:20:27 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <3630.9807141520@eng.warwick.ac.uk> From: "Andrew Tucker" To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 16:20:36 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: Nationals Reply-To: Andrew.Tucker@warwick.ac.uk X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk These comments may seem a little biased given UTI's current position, but I would like to question the future of the Outdoor Nationals within the format it currently operates. In short what is the point in continuing to have a one off Nationals tournament now that we have an established and working tour/league? It must be remembered that Nationals aren't just used to determine the UK National Champions, but also which teams can qualify for world club tournaments. How can a single tournament such as Nationals, even with careful seeding, be considered to give a more accurate and fairer ranking of teams than a series of 5 tournaments spread over a year? Wouldn't it be better to perhaps have a slightly expanded tour and then combine the title of National Champion with the Ben Rainbow Trophy? World Club slots could be allocated on the tour results as well. The BUF Open could then take over the role as the main cup style knock out competition, so further increasing its profile and importance. For instance there is far more importance attached to winning the Premier League both in terms of entry to European competition and prestige, than in winning the FA or League Cups. Just a few ideas, Andy - Under-the-Influence PS. Of course I wouldn't suggest anything should be changed this year, although thinking about it... From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Jul 17 07:06:48 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id KAA17335 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:35:54 +0100 (BST) Received: from penguin.wise.edt.ericsson.se (penguin-ext.wise.edt.ericsson.se [194.237.142.5]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA17311 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:35:50 +0100 (BST) Received: from enlrynt300.dsn.ericsson.se (enlrynt300.dsn.ericsson.se [164.48.68.114]) by penguin.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.0/8.9.0/glacier-1.11) with ESMTP id LAA08390 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 11:35:34 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by enlrynt300.dsn.ericsson.se with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id <35QHBN1Z>; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 11:35:40 +0200 Message-ID: <5F052F2A01FBD11184F00008C7A4A8005DF784@eukbant101.ericsson.se> From: "Alan Baldwin P (EML)" To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Re: Advance Notice Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 11:35:33 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Just thought I'd like to stick my oar in, Wayne has come up with a pretty definitive description of history, and a pretty good description of what would happen if we tightened up the geo rules. I've got a few points to add. He missed a particularly relevant point in view of who he plays for. Back in the early nineties Druids did pick off the cream of players from Uni. That ONE university being Southampton! The 91/92 Southampton team were Karl Mann, Jeff Jackson, Wayne Retter, Chris Hughes, myself, Paul Schuricht, Dave Murray, and a few others. Anyone notice anything in common about these players? - Druids possibly? The problem we had is that everyone in this team was due to graduate at different times. Forming a team out of these players when the first batch graduated would have destroyed the skunks, so the solution for us was to play with Druids, with whom we already had close ties, since Jeff played for them pre-Uni.. When the Warwick team of a year later Guy, Colin, Norm etc... graduated they had no such strong links to any one club, the result was that they all went their separate ways, some to Stan, some to Druids. Most of those players are now the core of UTI, most of their big tournament experience has come from playing with teams such as Stan, VH, Druids, and Gun. For the UTI team to turn around and start criticising these teams for not being geo, for them to start getting on their toy (high) horses and saying they've developed their own team, their own tactics, it was all their own doing, its not just wrong, its downright hypocritical. If winning affects your memory so badly then I'm happy we never did it too much as Druids. Lets face it every single one of the UTI players (or players on any top team) would jump ship to another team if their own team was for some reason not going to world clubs. Can't remember Gun being so undignified, petulant, smug, and childish when they were winning tournament after tournament. On the subject of geo-teams, what does it matter? - We have the strongest set of teams this country has ever seen, the middle level of British Ultimate is beginning to show real signs of strength, and for that we have the tour to thank. The tour encourages competition at this level particularly, and the 5-12 section in the tournament is always hotly contested. (though not always by Red-shift :-( ) Is the geo-team concept really the reason for this new strength, or is it the fact that the tour forces teams of a similar level together? I moved form one of the telephone teams to a geo team at the tail end of last year. (Druids-Red-shift). The reasons for this move was that we already had a reasonable player base in Southampton who all "commute" to play. We all wanted to practice regularly, besides picking up with Skunks practices at the weekend. It just seemed the right thing to do last year, having now sat on both sides of the fence. I can honestly say that I prefer playing for the telephone team, but enjoy the regular practices organised for the geo-team. As Rafi says we just love playing this great sport. Next year we won't be playing with Red-shift, because there will no longer be a Red-shift team. several of us are returning to Druids, yes I'm jumping ship, I want to play at world clubs, but that's not the only reason. It also has to do with player numbers, caused by a few players leaving, a few injuries, and a couple of emigrations! However you can bet your bottom dollar that I'll still organise practices in Southampton outside of the skunks practices, and we'll still train some of the upcoming stars from the skunks team in our practices. Alan Baldwin From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Jul 17 08:26:10 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id IAA17625 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 08:14:15 +0100 (BST) Received: from gatekeeper.sands.com (gatekeeper.sands.com [193.133.75.180]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA17610 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 08:14:08 +0100 (BST) Received: by gatekeeper.sands.com id AA28208 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk); Fri, 17 Jul 1998 08:14:03 +0100 Received: by gatekeeper.sands.com (Internal Mail Agent-2); Fri, 17 Jul 1998 08:14:03 +0100 Received: by gatekeeper.sands.com (Internal Mail Agent-1); Fri, 17 Jul 1998 08:14:03 +0100 Date: Fri, 17 Jul 98 08:02:51 GMT From: "Caedman Oakley" Message-Id: <9806179006.AA900688419@mailgate.sands.com> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk, Andrew.Tucker@warwick.ac.uk Subject: Looking for "Steve Clark" Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Steve Clark, last known in the Bristol area (NE1 from headrush, mythago, DC know him), can you get in touch with me please: Cads Oakley - Metheglen@weirdness.com Cheers, Cads From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Jul 17 10:09:51 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id JAA28308 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:58:01 +0100 (BST) Received: from ntintel1.webleicester.co.uk ([195.146.160.4]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA28301 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:58:00 +0100 (BST) Received: by NTINTEL1 with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:57:56 +0100 Message-ID: From: Ian Scotland To: "britdisc (E-mail)" Subject: RE: Current Discussion Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:57:54 +0100 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Iain, > where there is is no obvious team to join, then there > needs to be > an effort from the open teams to "spot" (probably the wrong choice of > word given the discussion) players that have potential from all the > university sides. It's this simple..... go play for the team nearest to where you eventually end up living (which I doubt you can even predict yet), since I'm sure you'll end up practicing with them... I think this mail illustrates beautifully exactly what I and others keep on harping on about with the current university leavers scene, it would seem it doesn't even occur that on leaving they could join their local club! Scott From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Jul 17 10:10:52 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id KAA29158 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:04:59 +0100 (BST) Received: from newmail.virgin.net (newmail.virgin.net [194.168.54.44]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA29145 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:04:57 +0100 (BST) Received: from default ([194.168.64.224]) by newmail.virgin.net (Post.Office MTA v3.5 release 217 ID# 0-52107U250000L250000S0V35) with SMTP id net for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:04:54 +0000 Message-ID: <35AF1425.29BC@virgin.net> Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:06:45 +0100 From: Robert Trup Reply-To: rob.trup@virgin.net Organization: First Touch Marketing X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-VN709-003 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: North London Practices are back!! 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Rob on 0181 444 8695 or 0973 601421 or visit our superb web site Http://www.popstar.demon.co.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Jul 17 10:11:33 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id KAA29830 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:09:35 +0100 (BST) Received: from smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk (smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk [193.114.232.134]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA29823 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:09:33 +0100 (BST) From: Wayne_Retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk Received: from ccMail by smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk (IMA Internet Exchange 3.01 Enterprise) id 000173C1; Fri, 17 Jul 98 10:10:02 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:57:33 +0100 Message-ID: <000173C1.CE21337@watsonwyatt.co.uk> Subject: Re[2]: Advance Notice To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk >The problem we had is that everyone in this team was due to graduate at >different times. and were mostly due to be moving onwards/homewards, rather than staying in Southampton... This made the theory of an 'graduates' team (most graduating Uni clubs discuss this, surely?) shakey on the grounds of lack of practice and uncertainty as to whether we'd all be committed after we'd all got spread out... >Forming a team out of these players when the first batch graduated >would have destroyed the skunks, so some of us played for Strollers, 'cos that was the traditional "place to go"... and/or Druids, 'cos (through Jeff) they'd been nice to us (!) and taken us abroad, got us drunk, etc, etc. Over the course two/three years, it turned out we were *all* playing for Druids, improving individually and doing quite well as a team. By then, there weren't really enough "real" Druids left for us to be able to go and do our own thing, if we'd wanted to... [Anecdote: At World Clubs in 95 we managed to play a "Real Druids" Offensive Line (no pun intended!) that failed to score, and a "exSkunk Druids" Defensive Line that got the turnover and scored! Sadly, this occurred in our game against the Funky Monks!] > I want to play at world clubs, qualified by "while I still can" seems to be a major reason why the 'stars' of geo teams don't have the willingness to stick with their geo teams that won't quite qualify, but move (back) to the telephone teams that will probably qualify. >However you can bet your bottom dollar that I'll still organise >practices in Southampton outside of the skunks practices, and we'll >still train some of the upcoming stars from the skunks team in our >practices. No doubt. But the question is surely, for all 'geo-teams' that are based on graduating Uni students staying local to Uni, are you willing to go out and get the LOCAL POPULACE involved too? Will you let them into your select and chosen group of team*mates*? Will you actually INCREASE the playerbase. On the other hand, why won't the telephone team players go to their local teams and help them *more* If they want to play for a "quality" team, there's the option to get committed and fit and try out for GB... Red are doing good things. (Nobody has disagreed yet!) The benefits are long term, and I applaud their current players for the sacrifice of fame NOW for the knowledge that, when Leicestershire becomes the new strength of British Ultimate, they'll have been a part of it. Wayne apparently "Too Nice to be a Druid", but a Druid nonetheless. - hoping there's some sense and useful info somewhere in all that drivel - feeling old from the memories - but wondering how much older Oz feels :) - realising he ought to be working ________________________________________________________________ Notice of Confidentiality This transmission is intended for the named addressee only. It contains information which may be confidential and which may also be privileged. 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If you have received this transmission in error please contact: ~admin@watsonwyatt.co.uk or IT Manager: +44(0)1737 241144 Fax: +44(0)1737 241496 Watson Wyatt Partners is regulated by the Institute of Actuaries in the conduct of UK investment business. _________________________________________________________________ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Jul 17 10:15:53 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id KAA00653 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:14:11 +0100 (BST) Received: from ntintel1.webleicester.co.uk ([195.146.160.4]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA00647 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:14:10 +0100 (BST) Received: by NTINTEL1 with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:14:25 +0100 Message-ID: From: Ian Scotland To: "britdisc (E-mail)" Subject: RE: Nationals Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:14:24 +0100 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Andy + britdisc > Wouldn't it be better to perhaps have a slightly expanded tour and > then combine the title of National Champion with the Ben Rainbow > Trophy? World Club slots could be allocated on the tour results as > well. The BUF Open could then take over the role as the main cup > style knock out competition, so further increasing its profile and > importance. Officially, it is up to the BUF how it decides to allocate places for Worlds competitions. The un-writen rule is that the teams finishing in the top x places of Nationals go. I believe (although since it has never been recorded) that this was decided at a previous BUF AGM. Ideas like this have merit and should be tabled at the BUF AGM where a majority of the 25 per cent plus members (quorum) would have to be pursuaded to concur. What is worrying is that the BUF has around 80 members, therefore 20 makes quorum and 11 votes are enough to change the way Ultimate is run in this country. Of course the more people that go to the AGM the more representitive it will become....... So please, please, please make the effort! This years AGM will be at Nationals! Scott From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Jul 17 10:57:18 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id KAA04882 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:44:26 +0100 (BST) Received: from wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk (wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk [131.111.48.24]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA04870 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:44:23 +0100 (BST) Received: by wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk (UK-Smail 3.1.25.1/15) id ; Fri, 17 Jul 98 10:44 BST Message-Id: Date: Fri, 17 Jul 98 10:44 BST From: mackay@mrao.cam.ac.uk (David J.C. MacKay) To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Geo or Telephone-team Cc: mackay@mrao.cam.ac.uk Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk I think this discussion gives a good motivation for having TWO SEASONS in the outdoor year. In the first season people who wanted to could play for their geo team and help it improve. In the second season they could make their tactical switch to a better team so as to be able to go to worlds. Wouldn't this be good for British Ultimate? David p.s. the same system could also allow good university players to play for their lame-ass university squad in the first season, and still play for a top notch team in the second. And it would allow any women who wanted to to play for a mixed team in one season (the first, say) and to play women only ultimate in the second season when all the big boys want to play in their top notch almost-men-only teams. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Jul 17 11:43:57 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id LAA20454 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 11:32:21 +0100 (BST) Received: from dirc.bris.ac.uk (dirc.bris.ac.uk [137.222.10.51]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA20445 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 11:32:19 +0100 (BST) Received: from sis.bris.ac.uk by dirc.bris.ac.uk with SMTP-PRIV (PP) with ESMTP; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 11:32:10 +0100 Received: from [137.222.156.36] (langah3.lang.bris.ac.uk [137.222.156.36]) by sis.bris.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA13209 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 11:30:37 +0100 (BST) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:39:04 +0000 From: Raf Freire Reply-To: Raf.Freire@Bristol.ac.uk Subject: Re: Geo or Telephone-team To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: X-Authenticated: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk On Fri, 17 Jul 98 10:44 BST mackay@mrao.cam.ac.uk (David J.C. MacKay) wrote: >I think this discussion gives a good motivation for having >TWO SEASONS in the outdoor year. >Wouldn't this be good for British Ultimate? What an excellent idea. I would like to propose having THREE SEASONS in the outdoor year. Then in the third, you could play disc golf, co-ed, any other sport you might be interested in, or just bum around. I think, to follow in the fine example set by the Ultim-8, that we should have a name for such a visionary system, something along the lines of "british ultimate players are incapable of deciding with whom they would like to play so lets have a system that decides it for them" . Rafi (top notch almost-men-only team- catch, geo team- headrush, third season- mountain biking, off season- slob). PS- apologies for wasting everyones time, again. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Jul 17 11:46:20 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id LAA22157 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 11:44:54 +0100 (BST) Received: from amsta.leeds.ac.uk (amsta.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA22150 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 11:44:53 +0100 (BST) Received: from newton.leeds.amsta (newton.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.64]) by amsta.leeds.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA03848 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 11:45:41 +0100 (BST) Received: by newton.leeds.amsta (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA11819; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 11:45:40 +0100 Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 11:45:40 +0100 From: amtsjh@amsta.leeds.ac.uk (S J Hill) Message-Id: <199807171045.LAA11819@newton.leeds.amsta> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: I disagree wth David X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk > I think this discussion gives a good motivation for having > TWO SEASONS in the outdoor year. > In the first season people who wanted to could play for > their geo team and help it improve. > In the second season they could make their tactical switch > to a better team so as to be able to go to worlds. > Wouldn't this be good for British Ultimate? The season does have some sort of break in it currently, (at the end of the tour) - which is deliberate. I would not like to be party to any setup that forced players to be with any particular team for any part of the season. Most people play ultimate to play ultimate, not to help it grow. The fact that some of us are happy to devote time to 'helping' the sport work 'better' (differently?) should not mean that we expect it from everyone/anyone else. I put in time to the 'admin' side of ultimate. I am not prepared to spend time on the pitch 'helping' people - that time is when I want to be playing tough, close games of good quality ultimate. If it can be well spirited, and I have the chance to chat and crack gags with my team and my opponents then so much the better. The effort that I put in to BUF (eg the Tour) is solely based on the premise of improving things for people who play today. If there is a knock-on effect that means more people will see/play ultimate then fine - but I don't think I'm alone in saying that I don't really care much about that. (I realise that many folks do not see things this way and are much more concerned about spreading the word of ultimate. I guess we need both approaches.) In summary: "I don't care what is good for British Ultimate. I just want the ultimate that I am involved in to work better for me, my team, and other current ultimate players across the country." Controversial? Si (22) - and resigning! From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Jul 17 12:18:42 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id MAA25231 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 12:06:39 +0100 (BST) Received: from smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk (smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk [193.114.232.134]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA25214 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 12:06:35 +0100 (BST) From: Wayne_Retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk Received: from ccMail by smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk (IMA Internet Exchange 3.01 Enterprise) id 00017515; Fri, 17 Jul 98 12:05:13 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 12:00:26 +0100 Message-ID: <00017515.CE21337@watsonwyatt.co.uk> Subject: Re: Geo or Telephone-team To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Alternatively, let's just see what happens! We should, with time, see the geo teams move up the rankings, so that the only non-geo team will be "all-star tarts"... Let's build up the nonTour events, maybe experimenting with some of the "new" ideas (Handicapping, etc) and finding out whether they're popular enough to incorporate into the (occaisional) Tour event... A particular example - let's see what the effect of *forcing* teams to be "geo" is! Someone could run a (one-off?) non-Tour event that requires all teams to be composed of "local" (which would need defining by the TD!) players - it may be interesting to see the changes in fortunes of the current teams, and the new geo "superteams" that *might* appear (what are the odds on the possibility of London 'Gun/UTI/Druids/Catch combo?) Wayne ________________________________________________________________ Notice of Confidentiality This transmission is intended for the named addressee only. It contains information which may be confidential and which may also be privileged. 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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Nothing personal Wayne, but in my opinion, both handicapping and "forcing" teams to be geocentric are two of the most abhorrent suggestions I've heard in a long time. I really did not want to join in this "debate", as I have too much work to do to fend-off negative responses. If you really are unhappy with the way Ultimate is evolving in Britain, perhaps you should change team/region/sport. These suggestions represent an express-way to dissatisfaction and dissent, in my opinion. On the other hand, David's suggestion seems like a good one - except in view of the number of remaining weekends in the year, Raf might not be able to satisfy his slob-quotient! Ad From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Jul 17 14:24:47 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id OAA11569 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 14:10:11 +0100 (BST) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA11558 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 14:10:08 +0100 (BST) Received: from (otto.crispgroup.co.uk) [193.237.6.65] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yxAGz-0002In-00; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 13:10:07 +0000 Received: from [129.1.1.241] by otto.crispgroup.co.uk (NTMail 3.03.0017/1.aia2) with ESMTP id ua007508 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 14:05:57 +0100 Received: from [129.1.11.55] by homer.crispgroup.co.uk (NTMail 3.03.0012/1.aia2) with ESMTP id xa018899 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 14:05:56 +0100 Received: by raviben810.crispgroup.co.uk with Microsoft Mail id <01BDB18C.D5E60000@raviben810.crispgroup.co.uk>; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 14:11:47 +0100 Message-ID: <01BDB18C.D5E60000@raviben810.crispgroup.co.uk> From: Ben Ravilious To: "'Britdisc'" Subject: A Census... Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 14:11:40 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Info: Crisp Computing Mail Server Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id OAA11564 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk This geo teams discussion has reminded me of an idea which I have been thinking over for quite a while now. Earlier this year, having had the good fortune to be able to introduce some players who were moving to Aberdeen, I helped spark-off a new team - purely by email. This made me realise that with the exception of Britdisc and the BUF website *existing team* listings, we dont have any means of getting local players in touch. The number of people playing Ultimate in this country now has got to the stage where there must be at least one player living (or associated with eg via university) in every town and city in Britain. The possibilities for putting people in touch and hopefully starting new teams must be endless. If people think there is any mileage in this (would it produce anything? - would people contribute information?) I would be willing - Statto that I am - to look after a database on contact details. I guess the BUF would have to look at Data Protection Act issues, etc but then you would expect a Federation to have a list of all its members wouldn't you? Discuss... Ben From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Jul 17 14:55:56 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id OAA18012 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 14:41:25 +0100 (BST) Received: from smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk (smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk [193.114.232.134]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA18002 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 14:41:22 +0100 (BST) From: Wayne_Retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk Received: from ccMail by smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk (IMA Internet Exchange 3.01 Enterprise) id 0001768C; Fri, 17 Jul 98 14:41:48 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 14:35:13 +0100 Message-ID: <0001768C.CE21337@watsonwyatt.co.uk> Subject: Re: Tag-teams for all I care! To: BritDisc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Adam Bennett wrote: > but in my opinion, which is what BritDisc is about, right? Discussions and opinions, preferably without getting too hot under the collar. > both handicapping and "forcing" teams to be geocentric are two of the > most abhorrent suggestions I've heard in a long time. But they're both new, and prompting thoughts and discussion, as well as the occaisional blast of sarcasm, gags and negative opinion... > I really did not want to join in this "debate", as I have too much > work to do to fend-off negative responses. OK, no negativity here, but could you please put down a few comments of your own as to WHY these sugeestions are "abhorrent"? Maybe you can point out the problems which I (and so many others?) have missed in my musings... > If you really are unhappy with the way Ultimate is evolving in > Britain, perhaps you should change team/region/sport. Unhappy with the evolution? When I'm such an active part of it? I think good things are happening. I'm just wondering about situations that *might* appeal, and suggesting "one-off" testers... Anyway, no other team would want a player like me: experienced, quite quick over the ground, ability to turn at speed, better than expected jumping height (for a short-arse) and the willingness to lay out in low-odds situations - purely on the basis that my modesty reflects my time served with the Fluid Druids... :) > These suggestions represent an express-way to dissatisfaction and > dissent, in my opinion. I was under the impression that we were batting around some *ideas*, "testing the waters", "assessing reactions", cliche, cliche, etc... In the past there's been huge arguments about having referees in Ultimate, but SOME tournaments in the US have them, and some of the players/teams that attend are ones that were against the idea... >On the other hand, David's suggestion seems like a good one - except... except that I'll have played Ultimate for all but 6 of the weekends of this year's Outdoor Season, without fitting in any 'non-serious', 'co-ed' or 'slobbing'!!! So *personally*, it's not my cup of tea... Maybe that's what the "Indoor Season" thing is all about, especially as my team doesn't have a title to defend any more... :) Wayne PS: what's the "BritDisc lamers" thing about in your address headers, then? >If you really are unhappy with the way Ultimate is evolving in Britain, perhaps >you should change team/region/sport. Not meaning to be nasty, I'd like to substitute "evolving" with "discussed" and return the comment to sender... ________________________________________________________________ Notice of Confidentiality This transmission is intended for the named addressee only. It contains information which may be confidential and which may also be privileged. Unless you are the named addressee (or authorised to receive it for the addressee) you may not copy or use it, or disclose it to anyone else. If you have received this transmission in error please contact: ~admin@watsonwyatt.co.uk or IT Manager: +44(0)1737 241144 Fax: +44(0)1737 241496 Watson Wyatt Partners is regulated by the Institute of Actuaries in the conduct of UK investment business. _________________________________________________________________ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Jul 17 15:31:38 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id PAA22968 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:17:33 +0100 (BST) Received: from pathway.btX400.co.uk (pathway.btX400.co.uk [193.113.148.3]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA22953; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:17:20 +0100 (BST) X400-Originator: COLIN.WAGSTAFF@TRADEINDEMNITY.btX400.co.uk X400-Recipients: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk , britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk X400-MTS-Identifier: [/PRMD=BT-INTERNET/ADMD=BT/C=GB/;0000430002514652000002L322] X400-Content-Type: P2-1988 (22) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 14:39:00 +0100 From: WAGSTAFF COLIN To: Bowles , MACRAE , ", DDA.RFC-822:britdisc(a)csv.warwick.ac.uk, P:BT-INTERNET, A:BT" , ", DDA.RFC-822:britdisc-owner(a)csv.warwick.ac.uk, P:BT-INTERNET" Subject: RE:Re: Geo or Telephone-team Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00017515.CE21337@watsonwyatt.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Wayne wrote: (what are the odds on the possibility of London'Gun/UTI/Druids/Catch combo?) Let's do it and call ourselves GB. We would be training and practicing together several times a week, would know each others play inside out and who knows we may even have fun and enjoy ourselves. Let's try to win Nationals in 99 then tackle World's in 2000. Please someone agree/disagree with me! Col. UTI. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Jul 17 16:23:47 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id QAA29786 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 16:08:56 +0100 (BST) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA29780 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 16:08:53 +0100 (BST) Received: from (otto.crispgroup.co.uk) [193.237.6.65] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yxC7s-0000av-00; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:08:49 +0000 Received: from [129.1.1.241] by otto.crispgroup.co.uk (NTMail 3.03.0017/1.aia2) with ESMTP id la007577 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 16:05:42 +0100 Received: from [129.1.11.55] by homer.crispgroup.co.uk (NTMail 3.03.0012/1.aia2) with ESMTP id ja018963 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 16:05:44 +0100 Received: by raviben810.crispgroup.co.uk with Microsoft Mail id <01BDB19D.97159DC0@raviben810.crispgroup.co.uk>; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 16:11:43 +0100 Message-ID: <01BDB19D.97159DC0@raviben810.crispgroup.co.uk> From: Ben Ravilious To: "'Peter Harvey'" Cc: "'Britdisc'" Subject: RE: A Census... Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 16:11:41 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Info: Crisp Computing Mail Server Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id QAA29781 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk ---------- From: Peter Harvey Sent: 17 July 1998 15:31 To: 'Ben Ravilious' Subject: RE: A Census... nice idea, but a clearly defined plan would be needed to establish the use of the Dbase or the information would be open to abuse (not least from our fellow players!!). The Data Protection Act is the main issue and the BUF should be able to register it's data without too much difficulty (I'll bet they haven't currently and are therefore breaking the law technically) I think as long as the collection and dissemmination is the responsibility of a BUF officer then there aren't too many other problems. I don't see the Web as a means of distributing contacts because of privacy problems and spam email but it could certainly be used to *collect* contact details. There are plenty of web sysops out there (Scott ;-) On the positive side I am convinced there is something to be achieved here. You can't tell me there are no Ultimate players in Newcastle or Liverpool! Hope you don't mind me replying to Britdisc, Peter - someone else out there might have an opinion too............ Ben I would be very interested in seeing the results! Harv GUN > -----Original Message----- > From: Ben Ravilious [SMTP:Ben.Ravilious@crispgroup.co.uk] > Sent: Friday, July 17, 1998 2:12 PM > To: 'Britdisc' > Subject: A Census... > > This geo teams discussion has reminded me of an idea which I have been > thinking over for quite a while now. > > Earlier this year, having had the good fortune to be able to introduce > some players who were moving to Aberdeen, I helped spark-off a new > team - purely by email. > > This made me realise that with the exception of Britdisc and the BUF > website *existing team* listings, we dont have any means of getting > local players in touch. The number of people playing Ultimate in this > country now has got to the stage where there mus > t be at least one player living (or associated with eg via university) > in every town and city in Britain. The possibilities for putting > people in touch and hopefully starting new teams must be endless. > > If people think there is any mileage in this (would it produce > anything? - would people contribute information?) I would be willing > - Statto that I am - to look after a database on contact details. > > I guess the BUF would have to look at Data Protection Act issues, etc > but then you would expect a Federation to have a list of all its > members wouldn't you? > > Discuss... > > Ben > From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Jul 17 17:45:36 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id RAA09979 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 17:32:41 +0100 (BST) Received: from smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk (smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk [193.114.232.134]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA09973 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 17:32:39 +0100 (BST) From: Wayne_Retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk Received: from ccMail by smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk (IMA Internet Exchange 3.01 Enterprise) id 00017855; Fri, 17 Jul 98 17:33:09 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 17:29:19 +0100 Message-ID: <00017855.CE21337@watsonwyatt.co.uk> Subject: Re[3]: Geo or Telephone-team To: BritDisc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Colin Wagstaff wrote: >Wayne wrote: >>(what are the odds on the possibility of London'Gun/UTI/Druids/Catch combo?) > >Let's do it and call ourselves GB. We would be training and practicing >together several times a week, would know each others play inside out and who >knows we may even have fun and enjoy ourselves. > >Let's try to win Nationals in 99 then tackle World's in 2000. > >Please someone agree/disagree with me! Hmmm, interesting 1) I think many (inside and out) would object to the name! Unless you can persuade them it really means "Getting Boring" (sorry!), or some other moniker... 2) Are you *really* that hung up on the "American Way" of doing things? I believe they use the "send your best club as your National team" method because of the impracticality of assembling a truly "National" team - then again, it does seem to work, doesn't it! Forming a geocentric London "superteam" has potential, with a view to World Clubs, but I suspect that it'd be more worthwhile to tighten the geo rules and form two (at least) depending on what part of London you're in... and ensure that they attend stuff like LUS to help develop other players... So, with a view to following the American Way, as someone else said - maybe one day, but not yet... Wayne ________________________________________________________________ Notice of Confidentiality This transmission is intended for the named addressee only. It contains information which may be confidential and which may also be privileged. Unless you are the named addressee (or authorised to receive it for the addressee) you may not copy or use it, or disclose it to anyone else. If you have received this transmission in error please contact: ~admin@watsonwyatt.co.uk or IT Manager: +44(0)1737 241144 Fax: +44(0)1737 241496 Watson Wyatt Partners is regulated by the Institute of Actuaries in the conduct of UK investment business. _________________________________________________________________ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Jul 17 19:21:58 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id TAA18629 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 19:09:48 +0100 (BST) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA18624 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 19:09:47 +0100 (BST) Received: from (solarfox.demon.co.uk) [194.222.54.251] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yxEx0-0002c4-00; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 18:09:47 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 19:07:01 +0100 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: Karl Guard Subject: Lame-ass student squads MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (32) Version 4.00 beta 6 <9mEP5LxPiZMLZDgplzJnzOvFEc> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk David MacKay makes it sound like playing for a "lame-ass university squad" is such a chore, something done only out of obligation. Well hey (cue sarcasm) why don't we just take all the "good" student players out of their obviously poor student sides and let the beginners go to tournaments to get completely fried because they have no tournie experience. Having Jack Rushden (now with Red?) with us for the last academic year really helped even though he was only studying at Sheffield for 12 months. He could have easily taken his skill and experience to a "good" team but chose instead help all the promising new players that Phat'edS took in during the 97/98 academic year. Let's not forget where most of us start playing ultimate. Karl University of Sheffield Ultimate : Phat'edS (and proud) -- Karl Guard From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Jul 17 22:15:21 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id WAA29152 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 22:03:55 +0100 (BST) Received: from monsoon.dial.pipex.net (monsoon.dial.pipex.net [158.43.128.69]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA29147 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 22:03:54 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199807172103.WAA29147@pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Received: (qmail 18494 invoked from network); 17 Jul 1998 21:03:53 -0000 Received: from userp008.uk.uudial.com (HELO default) (193.149.91.7) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 1998 21:03:53 -0000 Reply-To: From: "Matthew Lowe" To: "'Britdisc'" Subject: Re: A Census... Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 20:37:48 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk I thinks this is a great idea. A database of all Ultimate Players in the country. It would probably lead to bigger geo teams and more geo teams, it may also build up teams in current grey spots eg. Newcastle, Liverpool, maybe even Ulster and Eire. But what i'd like to know is just how it would work. Would it be an on-line system? eg. If I was starting a new team in Newcastle would I be able to access it direct or would I need permissiom, or would you just send me details of local players? How would the collection of data be done? ie. wouldn't you need such a database to be able to contact all individuals. I know you could contact teams but what about players that are not playing at the moment? I'm sure questions like this need answering first and you need time to do some resolving of these problems, but the idea is sound and I think the BUF should try to sort something out. Matt Lowe. Matthew.Lowe@Dial.Pipex.com From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Jul 17 22:19:03 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id WAA29159 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 22:03:58 +0100 (BST) Received: from monsoon.dial.pipex.net (monsoon.dial.pipex.net [158.43.128.69]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA29154 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 22:03:56 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199807172103.WAA29154@pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Received: (qmail 18499 invoked from network); 17 Jul 1998 21:03:55 -0000 Received: from userp008.uk.uudial.com (HELO default) (193.149.91.7) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 1998 21:03:55 -0000 Reply-To: From: "Matthew Lowe" To: "BritDisc" Subject: Re[2]: Tag-teams for all I care! Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 21:13:39 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk > From: Wayne_Retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk > > both handicapping and "forcing" teams to be geocentric are two of the > > most abhorrent suggestions I've heard in a long time. > > But they're both new, and prompting thoughts and discussion, as well as > the occaisional blast of sarcasm, gags and negative opinion... it's good to explore new avenues. FIFA are still altering Football over a 100 years after the sport was concieved. > Maybe you can point out the problems which I (and so many others?) have > missed in my musings... I can mention one reason why I would not like the Handicap system. although I consider myself and OK player I still play at Junior level and for my own Junior team, we did manage to play at Tour 1 with the assistance of Petroleum in Aberdeen. We got wasted and lie bottom of the Tour rankings. When we played Catch in our group game we lost 13 - 2. It was suggested way back at the begining of this debate if the Sunz (my team) played UTI what kind of handicap would be applied, and an 8 - 0 head start was suggested. The problem I see is that could lead to UTI winning say 13 - 10, this would look like a close game but in truth we still got wasted. We would also find it very patronising, we would rather lose than someone telling us "here you go have a head start". Teams judge their ability by how well they do against a team for example, we lost 13 - 2 to Catch, the next day we lost something like 13 - 9 against fingers 6, this told us that we were of roughly the level fingers, it helped us understand what kind of gap we should be aiming to cross to become a good team, once handicaps start being placed on games it can become very difficult to seperate teams. I hope that made sense :-) > Unhappy with the evolution? When I'm such an active part of it? > I think good things are happening. > I'm just wondering about situations that *might* appeal, and suggesting > "one-off" testers... I think it's good to be testing ideas and talking about them. Some of the ideas might be far fetched (like the disscusion about TV coverage that was had by the developement group) but others are worth persuing. I like the idea of testing the "two point line" rule, and possibly going into a high powered tournament with prize money and refs. I don't know if i'd want to see any of these things at every event but it would be nice to see how things unfold with such rule changes. > I was under the impression that we were batting around some *ideas*, > "testing the waters", "assessing reactions", cliche, cliche, etc... With the mention of batting about some ideas I have one. How about an event where there are say 16 teams. The teams are chosen by individuals picked by the event organiser. These 16 individuals are from different locations around the country eg. Leicester, London (North/South), Leeds, Southampton, Bristol etc. Each of these captains has to pick a team for the event but they can only pick players that live (for students it would be their home address) within say 30 miles of the captain. Thus the Tournament would be a geo tournament, every team based within a 30 mile radius. The games should also be very close as all the teams should have a mix of good and bad (poorer:-) players (except maybe the London teams). It would certainly be a good event, and I'd be happy to attend one if someone organised it :-) Thats enough from me for the moment, i'll leave you all to discuss. Matt Lowe Matthew.Lowe@Dial.Pipex.com From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sun Jul 19 11:15:00 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id KAA29673 for britdisc-outgoing; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 10:58:00 +0100 (BST) Received: from newmail.virgin.net (newmail.virgin.net [194.168.54.44]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA29668 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 10:57:58 +0100 (BST) Received: from default ([194.168.122.100]) by newmail.virgin.net (Post.Office MTA v3.5 release 217 ID# 0-52107U250000L250000S0V35) with SMTP id net for ; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 09:57:57 +0000 Message-ID: <35B1C428.516C@virgin.net> Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 11:02:16 +0100 From: Margaret Eagles X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E-VN003 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Pick ups for Ross Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk There are a few Mad Kows who would like to play at Ross. If there are any teams short a player or three then please e-mail Ind-Ultimate-List@open.ac.uk Reply guaranteed to all messages!! Cheers Colin Mad Kows/First Touch From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Jul 20 08:00:04 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id HAA24907 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 07:47:07 +0100 (BST) Received: from gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (ralf@gem [137.205.227.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA24902 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 07:47:06 +0100 (BST) Received: (from ralf@localhost) by gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA13584 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 07:47:02 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 07:47:02 +0100 (BST) From: Ranulf Doswell Message-Id: <199807200647.HAA13584@gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: BFDF Events Reminder Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk British Flying Disc Federation Disc Events Diary ------------------------------------------------ The events list can also be found at http://www.dcs.warwick.ac.uk/~ralf/bfdf/ ---------- Saturday 25th July 1998 GB Training (Open and Women) (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 1st August 1998 Ross-On-Wye (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 8th August 1998 GB Training (Open and Women) (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Friday 14th August 1998 Worlds (10 days) [Outdoor Ultimate Abroad] Saturday 15th August 1998 Edinburgh Festival Hat Tourney (2 days) @ Edinburgh [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Emma Beatty Email emmab@chem.ed.ac.uk BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Essex University [Golf] Sunday 16th August 1998 DDC Tournament (1 day) CANCELLED [Outdoor DDC] Contact Mark Jefferson Email Mark.Jj@btinternet.com Saturday 22nd August 1998 Something Fun (2 days) @ Hitchin, Herts [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Saturday 29th August 1998 BDGA Golf - B tier tournament (2 days) @ Crook of Devon, 45min north of Edinburgh [Golf] Contact Liam Young Email liamyoung@bigfoot.com Phone 0131 2252670 Friday 11th September 1998 BUF Open (3 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 19th September 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Burnlaw, Horthumberland [Golf] Saturday 26th September 1998 Nationals 98 (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 10th October 1998 BDGA Doubles Matchplay Championships (2 days) @ Ashton Court, Bristol [Golf] Contact Bud Tilton Email raf.freire@bristol.ac.uk Phone (0117) 926 9855 Saturday 24th October 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Whitcombe, Dorset [Golf Handicap] Saturday 7th November 1998 BDGA Singles Matchplay (2 days) @ TBC [Golf] Contact Andy Lucey Email andy_lucey@cargill.com Phone 0181 767 6766 ---------------------------------------------------------- British Flying Disc Federation Disc Events Diary http://www.dcs.warwick.ac.uk/~ralf/bfdf/ Ranulf Doswell, ralf@dcs.warwick.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Jul 20 10:32:51 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id KAA08500 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 10:22:32 +0100 (BST) Received: from shrimp.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (ralf@shrimp [137.205.227.130]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA08478; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 10:22:28 +0100 (BST) Received: (from ralf@localhost) by shrimp.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA12504; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 10:22:26 +0100 (BST) From: Ralf Message-Id: <199807200922.KAA12504@shrimp.dcs.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Summer Ultimate Practices (COVENTRY) To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk, lloydd2@uk.ibm.com, esrqr@eng.warwick.ac.uk, shipley@coventry.ac.uk, jbarnes@sunion.warwick.ac.uk, tony.davies@jewson.co.uk, serai@csv.warwick.ac.uk, forab@csv.warwick.ac.uk, p.a.trostel@csv.warwick.ac.uk, mgei@dna.bio.warwick.ac.uk, lsrlo@csv.warwick.ac.uk, R.C.Hicks@admin.warwick.ac.uk Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 10:22:26 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL35 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Summer Ultimate Weekly Practices in Coventry THURSDAY evenings, 6:00 - 8:00 pm University of Warwick. --- After questioning various people, I think there's definitely sufficient interest to start regular weekly practices. Initially, I'm expecting at least enough to have two 5-a-side teams, possibly 7-a-side. With any luck there might be sufficient interest to have 3 or more teams, allowing us to have a league system between the various teams. So far, everyone I've spoken to personally has been very keen, although obviously I *will* have missed people, so please pass this message on to anyone who might be interested or that I've forgotten. If you can let me know in advance if you intend to come, it will be very useful in trying to work out how to organise the practices. At the moment, I'm envisioning a weekly hat style approach, depending on who turns up, although a league system would be good if we had a sufficient regular turn-out. Please phone me on (01203) 523296 (daytime) or (01203) 463052 (evenings) or e-mail me if you can come. Also, if you're interested, but can't make Thursdays or at that time, let me know, as it might be possible to arrange a different time. I'm pretty sure that we'll be on the usual pitch at Warwick University, as it doesn't seem to be in use at all over summer. However, it's not properly marked out, so it'd be good if someone can bring some cones along. For those that aren't sure of the pitch location, come onto main campus, and park in the sports centre car park. Follow the footpath towards Tescos, i.e. down the road with the barrier across it, and hopefully you'll see lots of frisbees being thrown! One other idea that I've suggested to Del and Sammy, is to try and get people involved in other disc sports as well; perhaps the occasional game of golf or DDC as well. Again, let me know your interest in this. Hope to see you all on Thursday! Cheers, Ralf. ____ ____ _ _ ____ .----------------------------------------. _\__ \ _\__ \ / \ / \\__/ | Ranulf Doswell | / \_/ /_ / \_/ \ / / / /___ | Department of Computer Science | \ __ \\ __ \\ \ _\ \\_/ |University of Warwick, COVENTRY, CV4 7AL| \ \ \ \\ \ \ \\ \__/ \\ \ | Phone: 01203 523296 Fax: 01203 525714 | \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \______/ \_/ `----------------------------------------' From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Jul 20 11:02:12 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id KAA11997 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 10:50:11 +0100 (BST) Received: from gannet.scg.man.ac.uk (gannet.scg.man.ac.uk [130.88.94.110]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA11977 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 10:50:09 +0100 (BST) Received: from fs1.scg.man.ac.uk [130.88.94.100] by gannet.scg.man.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #4) id 0yyCa7-0007jd-00; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 10:50:08 +0100 Received: from UK-AC-MAN-SCG-FS1/SpoolDir by fs1.scg.man.ac.uk (Mercury 1.31); 20 Jul 98 10:50:07 GMT+1 Received: from SpoolDir by UK-AC-MAN-SCG-FS1 (Mercury 1.21); 20 Jul 98 10:49:55 GMT+1 From: "Ben" Organization: University of Manchester, UK To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 10:49:48 GMT+1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Lonely Hearts Reply-to: mddpsbs3@fs1.scg.man.ac.uk X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <14D19E10E51@fs1.scg.man.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Young attractive male (21) GSOH, With 3 years Ultimate experience Seeks team to play for at Ross-on-Wye For Frendship and Throwing, catching etc!!! All replys answered! (If anybody is a bit short of players, I'm very keen to play) Thanks Ben . _\|/_ ( * = ) | L | _____( Oh My Head ) \~/ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Jul 20 11:02:29 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id KAA12473 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 10:54:15 +0100 (BST) Received: from mps2.leeds.ac.uk (mps2.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.16.22]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA12468 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 10:54:13 +0100 (BST) Received: from south-02.novell.leeds.ac.uk (south-02.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.76.2]) by mps2.leeds.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA27506 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 10:54:07 +0100 (BST) Received: from LUCS-H12/SpoolDir by south-02.novell.leeds.ac.uk (Mercury 1.31); 20 Jul 98 10:54:59 GMT0BST Received: from SpoolDir by LUCS-H12 (Mercury 1.40); 20 Jul 98 10:54:30 GMT0BST From: "Anthony ( Dr. P ) Proctor." Organization: University of Leeds To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 10:54:11 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Change : Summer practices in Leeds. X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.54) Message-ID: <2FA218960B5@south-02.novell.leeds.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi there As a result of Weetwood being difficult for some people to get to practices in Leeds we be on Hyde Park over the summer. Same times : 7.00 p.m. - 9.00p.m. Tuesday. 2.00 p.m. - 4.00 p.m. Sunday. Meet just behind the Feast and Firkin ( Where we practiced last Tuesday ) but we might move somewhere else. i.e. If your late look around the Park for us. Any problems let me know. Dr. P. ( Jedi ). Anthony Proctor. BSc. Human biology / Physiology. Flat 3. 1 Kingston Terrace. Leeds. LS2 9BW. Tel; ( 0113 ) 246 9312. E - mail; phs6amp@leeds.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Jul 20 14:31:28 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id OAA07519 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 14:13:03 +0100 (BST) Received: from gatekeeper.cmht.nwest.nhs.uk (gatekeeper.cmht.nwest.nhs.uk [193.60.159.61]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA07420 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 14:12:24 +0100 (BST) Received: by gatekeeper.cmht.nwest.nhs.uk; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA04685; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 13:58:45 +0100 Received: from pers.cmht.nwest.nhs.uk (pers.cmht.nwest.nhs.uk [159.170.196.35]) by mar003.cmht.nwest.nhs.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA07010; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 14:17:17 +0100 (BST) Received: from MRI_PERS/SpoolDir by pers.cmht.nwest.nhs.uk (Mercury 1.40); 20 Jul 98 14:08:28 BST Received: from SpoolDir by MRI_PERS (Mercury 1.40); 20 Jul 98 14:07:55 BST From: "Harry Golby" Organization: Central Manchester Healthcare Trust To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk, Alison Hill , MARK PERRYMAN Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 14:07:51 BST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: Put Your Money Where Your Mouth Is Cc: GBOpen98 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v3.01a) Message-Id: <2846D8616AB@pers.cmht.nwest.nhs.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk After all that discussion last week about how good all the top players are with endless practices in geo and non-geo teams I expect to see a strong showing at this weekends GB open squad practice in Trent Park, North London. The team will be practicing on Saturday (from 1pm) and all day Sunday when we are expecting some half decent opposition from the rest of the people who have been involved in the squad this year (you know who you are....) The usual faces are invited for training (if they want) on Saturday, festivities in the evening and a bit of a battering on Sunday. If you're interested get in touch with Mark Perryman..... MARK PERRYMAN See you Harry Harry Golby Email:HGOLBY@PERS.CMHT.NWEST.NHS.UK Phone: 0161 276 4904 (W) Fax: 0161 276 4980 From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Jul 20 18:31:07 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id SAA12438 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 18:18:57 +0100 (BST) Received: from admin.warwick.ac.uk (sigma [137.205.249.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA12222; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 18:16:02 +0100 (BST) Received: from SIGMA/MERCURY by admin.warwick.ac.uk (Mercury 1.21); 20 Jul 98 18:18:31 +0000 Received: from MERCURY by SIGMA (Mercury 1.21); 20 Jul 98 18:18:06 +0000 From: "Derek Robins" Organization: University of Warwick, CV4 7AL, UK To: eurodisc@ira.uka.de Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 18:17:56 +0000 (GMT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: British Open Disc Golf CC: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk, Disc.Golf.Distribution@csv.warwick.ac.uk Message-ID: <89CEB65FB6@admin.warwick.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk The British Open was held on 18-19th July at Whitcombe Farm. Beaminster. The results were entered on computer so hopefully Toby or Charlie will post the full results. We had a record field with 58 competitors, 8 more than last years record of 50. The weather was good, with just enough wind to make things interesting. I don't have time to give a full write up, but the top 10 were 1 169 + 27 Soren Larsen (Denmark) 2 166 + 31 Sean Young 3 167 + 34 Simon Luard 4 177 + 27 Brennan Doyle (USA) 5 173 + 32 Derek Robins 6 178 Rafi Freire 7= 180 Patrick Ruffieux (France or Switzerland?) 7= 180 Liam Young 7= 180 Oz Freire 10 181 Paul Francz (Switzerland) As you can deduce Soren started the final 9 holes 3 shots behind Sean. They were tied going to the last hole - Goolagong Dip. Soren drove over the pond and trees into the far field for a birdie 3. Sean caught the trees and could only manage a 4. After accepting the trophy and prize money Soren commented that this Whitcombe farm was best or most beautiful course (probably both!) that he had played - and he is possibly the most travelled golfer within europe, so that is quite a compliment! Thanks to Toby for getting the course in such good shape and laying on extra facilities for the players. Nest stop on the BDGA tour is Essex University on August 15-16. btw I will be in the USA for 3 weeks and will unsubscribe from these mailing lists from Tuesday. So don't expect me to comment on any follow up postings! Derek Robins From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Jul 20 20:20:46 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id UAA22508 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 20:05:22 +0100 (BST) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA22498 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 20:05:20 +0100 (BST) Received: from (phidelta.demon.co.uk) [158.152.248.177] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yyLFN-0005nE-00; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 19:05:19 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 22:26:12 +0100 To: BritDisc Cc: Merrick Cardew From: U8C Rankings Reply-To: Wayne Retter Subject: U8 - Tour Ranking after Tour V MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Trial Version 3.04 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk NB: This is the Ranking BEFORE the application of any PENALTY POINTS Tour Ranking after Event V Rank Points Team Name 1 1230 UTI 2 1130 Shotgun 3 1126 Catch 22 4 1064 Chevron Action Flash 5 1020 Fluid Druids 6 899 First Touch 7 881 Headrush 8 873 Red I 9 771 Sneeekys 10 730 Red Shift 11 641 Blue Arse Flies 12 614 Violently Happy 13 501 Superfly 14 495 Mild Mannered Janitors 15 456 GB Juniors 16 452 Village People 17 434 Strange Blue 18 432 Skunks 19 310 Jedi Children 20 299 NightFever 21 291 Sharks 22 210 Twin Peaks 23 175 Picnic in the Sky 24 165 Bliss 25 133 SlipDisc 26 113 K-Niggets 27 111 Fingers 6 28 98 Whiplash 29 94 Red II 30 83 Uriel 31 72 Mad Kows 31 72 Pookas 33 51 Mohawk Mwnci Magic 34 50 Mud Culture 35 42 Chaos 36 27 One Touch More 37 25 Phat 'Eds 38 20 Skunks II 39 5 Charnwood Sunz NB: This is the Ranking BEFORE the application of any PENALTY POINTS (i.e. VH to be penalised for being short of numbers at Tour II, Late Exits from Tour V to be penalised) Revised Ranking to follow... ---------------------------------------------------------------- Wayne Retter U8C Rankings Officer at home: 01737-242109 wayne@phidelta.demon.co.uk at work: 01737-273611 wayne_retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Jul 20 20:21:38 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id UAA22473 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 20:05:08 +0100 (BST) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA22468 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 20:05:06 +0100 (BST) Received: from (phidelta.demon.co.uk) [158.152.248.177] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yyLF1-00041i-00; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 19:05:05 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 22:19:54 +0100 To: BritDisc Cc: Merrick Cardew From: U8C Rankings Reply-To: Wayne Retter Subject: U8 - Tour V Ranking Points MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Trial Version 3.04 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Event V Results Position Team Points 1 UTI 250 2 Catch 22 230 3 Chevron Action Flash 222 4 Shotgun 210 5 Fluid Druids 205 6 Headrush 190 7 Sneeekys 181 8 First Touch 170 9 Red I 162 10 Blue Arse Flies 150 11 Superfly 141 12 Red Shift 130 13 Strange Blue 125 14 Skunks 110 15 GB Juniors 101 16 Village People 90 17 Mild Mannered Janitors 81 18 Pookas 72 19 NightFever 64 20 Red II 56 21 Uriel 48 22 Picnic in the Sky 40 23 Jedi Children 32 24 Fingers 6 24 25 Mohawk Mwnci Magic 16 26 SlipDisc 8 effects on the Tour Ranking to follow... ---------------------------------------------------------------- Wayne Retter U8C Rankings Officer at home: 01737-242109 wayne@phidelta.demon.co.uk at work: 01737-273611 wayne_retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Jul 21 16:31:55 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id QAA03326 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 16:11:14 +0100 (BST) Received: from chaos.oregan.net (root@chaos.oregan.net [195.173.86.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA03319 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 16:11:12 +0100 (BST) Received: from oregan.net (oregan-cambridge.demon.co.uk [212.228.27.73]) by chaos.oregan.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA16607 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 16:10:43 +0100 Message-ID: <35B4AFE6.4741EA3F@oregan.net> Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 16:12:38 +0100 From: Adam Bennett Organization: Oregan Networks X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: British Discsport Mailing list Subject: Deserting Disk-Jockeys cast caution to wind! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Please excuse/enjoy the Sun-hack type subject-line. Strange Blue have not made it to Ross ( our money not good enough for you hey? ) due to our late application. Appx. 4 of our players including myself want to play at this historic and illustrious tourney, and would appreciate the chance to pick up with some more fortunate team. Please do not respond to this email, but instead send offers/insults to : frisbee@mrao.cam.ac.uk Any chance of playing will be appreciated. Cheers, Adam From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Jul 21 17:06:48 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id QAA10239 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 16:50:40 +0100 (BST) Received: from smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk (smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk [193.114.232.134]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA10233 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 16:50:38 +0100 (BST) From: Wayne_Retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk Received: from ccMail by smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk (IMA Internet Exchange 3.01 Enterprise) id 000184AB; Tue, 21 Jul 98 16:51:08 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 16:47:48 +0100 Message-ID: <000184AB.CE21337@watsonwyatt.co.uk> Subject: Outdoor Season 1999? To: BritDisc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Anybody got any plans yet? I assume that the only fixtures solidly in people's minds (so far) are: Rotterdam World Clubs BUF Open With the assumptions that the 1999 U8 Tour will be much the same weekends as this 1998? (Or will this be for the NEW DoC/Tour Director to finalise?) Wayne PS: Why??? 'Cos I've found a couple of beautiful venues for nonTour events! Maybe Ross-On-Wye'99 will become the first Ross-On-Where... ________________________________________________________________ Notice of Confidentiality This transmission is intended for the named addressee only. It contains information which may be confidential and which may also be privileged. Unless you are the named addressee (or authorised to receive it for the addressee) you may not copy or use it, or disclose it to anyone else. If you have received this transmission in error please contact: ~admin@watsonwyatt.co.uk or IT Manager: +44(0)1737 241144 Fax: +44(0)1737 241496 Watson Wyatt Partners is regulated by the Institute of Actuaries in the conduct of UK investment business. _________________________________________________________________ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Jul 21 17:27:50 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id RAA14469 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 17:15:29 +0100 (BST) Received: from wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk (wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk [131.111.48.24]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA14462 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 17:15:28 +0100 (BST) Received: by wol.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk (UK-Smail 3.1.25.1/15) id ; Tue, 21 Jul 98 17:15 BST Message-Id: Date: Tue, 21 Jul 98 17:15 BST From: mackay@mrao.cam.ac.uk (David J.C. MacKay) To: Wayne_Retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk, britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Re: Outdoor Season 1999? Cc: ralf@dcs.warwick.ac.uk Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk >> Anybody got any plans yet? Yes, we are thinking of holding 'CAM99' (a big open tournament plus a juniors tournament) on June 19-20, 1999. We suggest it would be in everyone's interests for there to be no other big UK tournaments on June 12, 19, or 26. If anyone has any feedback on this, please email me (mackay@mrao.cam.ac.uk) and Dora (dak12@cus.cam.ac.uk). Thanks! David From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Jul 21 17:54:51 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id RAA18331 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 17:42:27 +0100 (BST) Received: from firewall1.lehman.com (firewall.Lehman.COM [192.147.65.66]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA18300 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 17:42:13 +0100 (BST) Received: from relay.messaging-svcs2.lehman.com by firewall1.lehman.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id MAA11767; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 12:34:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from london123.lehman.com by relay.messaging-svcs2.lehman.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA11170; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 12:33:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from london123 (localhost) by london123.lehman.com (4.1/Lehman Bros. V1.6) id AA04066; Tue, 21 Jul 98 17:31:14 BST Message-Id: <35B4C251.7566F4CF@lehman.com> Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 17:31:13 +0100 From: Aram Flores Organization: Lehman Brothers, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (X11; I; SunOS 4.1.3 sun4m) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Andy Challis , Andy Lucey , Aram Flores , Douglas Milne , Ed Pizey , Esa Pensala , Jim Hemmingway , Jonathan Schofield , Kevin Brooks , Nicholas Haslam , Nick Cash , Nolan Taylor , Ollie Watson , Oz Freire , Pete Harvey , Peter Kim , Roger Thomson , Sean Young Cc: Rafi Freire , Paolo@lehman.com, A.@lehman.com, Nistri@lehman.com, GB-GAN@panduit.de, Mark@lehman.com, Perryman@lehman.com, MARK_P_PERRYMAN@gb.coopers.com, Christian Nistri , Nistri@lehman.com, mfix6can@stud.man.ac.uk, Arimo@lehman.com, Tapio@lehman.com, Tapio.Arimo@gs.com, Pekka@lehman.com, Saaskilahti@lehman.com, k23504@kyyppari.hkkk.fi, Tanya@lehman.com, Joseph@lehman.com, tanya@tjoseph.demon.co.uk, Mike@lehman.com, Turoff@lehman.com, MTuroff@aol.com, britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Shotgun Sunday Practice Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Gunners et al, We will be practicing this Sunday on Wandsworth Common at about 4:00pm. All experienced players are welcome (as the Tour is over and nationals are too far away to worry about). We play on the Cricket/Rugby pitches which are next to the Tennis courts. If you need directions please see our website {http://www.kbw.co.uk/shotgun} or email me/us. Also we will begin practicing again on Tuesday nights on Clapham Common starting next week 28/7. Aram - Expectant Father & Shotgun Ultimate PS: Ex-Hombres - This might be a good excuse to stretch those aged legs before Ross? From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Jul 21 20:55:27 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id UAA05354 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 20:43:43 +0100 (BST) Received: from pluto.open.ac.uk (pluto.open.ac.uk [137.108.143.4]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA05349 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 20:43:41 +0100 (BST) Received: from acsfc-mail (actually host acsfc-mail.open.ac.uk) by pluto with SMTP Local (PP); Tue, 21 Jul 1998 20:42:41 +0100 From: wmd4@student.open.ac.uk (Wayne Davey) To: Alan.Baldwin@eml.ericsson.se Cc: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 20:29:24 +0100 Subject: Re: Advance Notice Message-ID: References: <5F052F2A01FBD11184F00008C7A4A8005DF784@eukbant101.ericsson.se> Organization: Open University MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-ID: X-Gateway: NASTA Gate 1.18 for FirstClass(R) Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Alan.Baldwin@eml.ericsson.se,Internet writes: > Lets face it every single one of the UTI players (or >players on any top team) would jump ship to another team if their own >team was for some reason not going to world clubs. Not quite all! I turned down three of the four (no offer from the other one!) British teams that went to Vancouver because my team (UTI) failed to make it. Instead I had a year with the Village People while patiently waiting for my team to come back to its senses and reform. Wayne Davey UTI From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Jul 22 00:48:01 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id AAA25904 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 00:36:35 +0100 (BST) Received: from aisle ([194.73.73.167]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA25894 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 00:36:31 +0100 (BST) Received: from druidscum [62.172.20.233] by aisle with smtp (Exim 1.70 #1) id 0yyly4-0004uM-00; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 00:37:13 +0100 Message-ID: <000501bdb4ff$f9c2df40$e914ac3e@druidscum> From: "Derek Smart" To: "britdisc" Subject: Players rights Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 00:32:32 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Regarding the Geo Teams debate... Not all players have the same commitment or drive to compete at the highest level. I spent the last six years playing for geo teams, first with the Monks and then with Oxford and the only reason I moved to UTI is I got sick of turning up to training and turning up to tournaments and finding only half a squad. It wasn't unknown to travel to Oxford and find only two or three players there for training and incidentally it's those players now that have moved on to fresh pastures. It should not be for anyone else to decide which team a player plays for when they are possibly, and not by any means in every case, relegating them to play in a team where only a small handful really want to succeed. Playing with UTI this season has re-energised my enthusiasm for the sport because for the first time I feel I can rely on all the players around me and I cannot ever imagine being forced back into the situation where no matter how hard I try there will never really be any improvement in the team as a whole because half of the team don't really care. Football players fought hard to get the right to move between teams and here we have people arguing over whether we should remove that right from our sport. This is our sport and we all play because we all enjoy it whether it be for pure fun or with a competitive edge. Forcing people to play for teams where they are unhappy because of the commitment level (whether too fierce or too lackadaisical) can only harm our sport. Unhappy players do not make for good players and eventually will not be players at all because nobody carries on doing something they no longer enjoy. Del Smart UTI From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Jul 22 09:18:43 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id JAA20540 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 09:06:30 +0100 (BST) Received: from newmail.virgin.net (newmail.virgin.net [194.168.54.44]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA20527 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 09:06:27 +0100 (BST) Received: from default ([194.168.72.133]) by newmail.virgin.net (Post.Office MTA v3.5 release 217 ID# 0-52107U250000L250000S0V35) with SMTP id net for ; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 08:06:26 +0000 Message-ID: <35B59DED.722B@virgin.net> Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 09:08:13 +0100 From: Robert Trup Reply-To: rob.trup@virgin.net Organization: First Touch Marketing X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-VN709-003 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: North London Practice Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Playthings North London Practices are open to all! * Thursday evenings - 7pm * Hampstead Heath Extension (wildwood road) 10 minutes from Golders Green Tube for more info call Rob on 0181 444 8695 or visit http://www.popstar.demon.co.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Jul 22 12:49:24 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id MAA26192 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 12:34:50 +0100 (BST) Received: from whirligig.ecs.soton.ac.uk (root@whirligig.ecs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.65.178]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA26185 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 12:34:48 +0100 (BST) Received: from stork.ecs.soton.ac.uk (dns2.ecs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.65.230]) by whirligig.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA08352; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 12:33:11 +0100 (BST) Received: from tarrant.ecs.soton.ac.uk (IDENT:wp296@tarrant.ecs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.65.120]) by stork.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA14064; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 12:34:46 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 12:34:45 +0100 (BST) From: Will Parker Reply-To: Will Parker To: "David J.C. MacKay" cc: Wayne_Retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk, britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk, ralf@dcs.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Re: Outdoor Season 1999? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk I would just like to point out that Southampton Outdoors is *always* held around this time (June 20th). This is the only possible time we can hold it (the last weekend of term) and I think there would be a lot of annoyed people if there was no Southampton Outdoors. I don't want to seem rude but.. please re-schedule the Cam99 event,as Southampton is a good/only source of income for Skunks, who would be completely and utterly shafted without it and it is a brilliant tournament (no I'm not biased). Thanks Will capt Skunks From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Jul 22 15:13:25 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id OAA13366 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 14:57:42 +0100 (BST) Received: from exchpk02.chelt.ac.uk (exchpk02.chelt.ac.uk [194.66.194.6]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA13361 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 14:57:40 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199807221357.OAA13361@pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Received: by exchpk02.chelt.ac.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 14:57:53 +0100 From: "HUGHES, Chris" To: "'Britdisc'" Subject: Hitchin Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 14:56:08 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id OAA13362 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk For those of you that have been asking; here are the details for Hitchin tourney; 23 Vervain Close Churchdown Gloucestershire GL3 1LT Tel: 01452 859 210 (H) 01242 543299 (W) E-mail: chughes@chelt.ac.uk "Something Fun" The Inaugural Hitchin Handicap Tournament August 22nd - 23rd; 1998 Hello Ultimate people, Some of you may have followed my recent requests for suggestions on handicapping a tournament on email. This is your chance to see if the ideas will work. The objective is an attempt to try and give all the teams a chance to win the tournament. At this stage the handicapping system has not been finalised but the system devised will be fair and equitable (I hope!). The tournament will be held at Hitchin priory school (venue of past nationals and tour events), and will feature eight lined pitches, all day and night showers and toilets, food and drinks on site, free camping on Friday and Saturday. The tournament will only cost £75, and is open to a maximum of 24 teams, so enter as soon as possible to guarantee a place. Teams beware; it is the last weekend of worlds, so ensure that you have a full squad, and have not lost too many players to Minnesota. Send the cheques and entry form to the address above. Please keep track of changes and use email if you want to contact me, as my address is liable to change soon. Cheers, Chris *----------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------- Team Name: ......................................................... No. of Teams: ......... Contact Name:......................................................... * .................................................................. Cheque: £ ......... .................................................................. .................................................................. .................................................................. * (h) ........................... (w).............................. * .................................................................. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Jul 23 09:55:17 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id JAA03408 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 09:33:52 +0100 (BST) Received: from dryctnath.mmu.ac.uk (dryctnath.mmu.ac.uk [149.170.190.134]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA03400 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 09:33:50 +0100 (BST) Received: from yorktown.mmu.ac.uk ([149.170.132.252]) by dryctnath.mmu.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #2) for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk id 0yzGp4-0002F3-00; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 09:33:58 +0100 Received: from MMU-HOL-YORKTOWN/SpoolDir by yorktown.mmu.ac.uk (Mercury 1.31); 23 Jul 98 09:33:49 GMT Received: from SpoolDir by MMU-HOL-YORKTOWN (Mercury 1.31); 23 Jul 98 09:33:36 GMT From: "Lawrence PAULSON" Organization: Manchester Metropolitan University To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 09:33:31 +GMT Subject: Let's Off Road! X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <2A1ABF53D21@yorktown.mmu.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Dear All, Following Time Out's less than flattering review of Ultimate a few months ago, I thought I'd share what City Life Manchester had to say about my website when it got reviewed in this month's issue (in the 'Byte Sized' section- ho ho, good pun!)... -------------------------------------------- Fingers 6 http://yi.com/home/Fingers6 The bizarrely-named Fingers 6 is the home page of an Ultimate Frisbee team based in Manchester. Apparently, Ultimate Frisbee is a team sport which is played on a pitch but uses a frisbee instead of using a football or rubgyball. Fingers 6 is a Manchester that are based at the Didsbury site of Manchester Metropolitan University. At the risk of sounding boring, this frisbee stuff sounds like it might be a good laugh, although I wouldn't go as far as joining a team. The only problem with the Fingers 6 site is although the team member that has designed the site has done a pretty professional job, they're obviously quite a clique and this comes across on the site, through all the 'zany' group photographs. The camouflage-coloured background doesn't help either as it makes it look like the homepage of the two extreme sport characters from The Fast Show. Consequently, they look like they're more likely to say "Let's Off Road" as "Let's Ultimate Frisbee". ---------------------------------------- So there you have it- not exactly a glowing testimonial, but not bad either. I'm not sure if being compared to the Fast Show is a good thing, and bearing in mind that I wrote the purely for the benefit of myself primarily, Fingers 6 secondly, other Ultimate players thirdly, and the public at large a distant fourth, it's not surprising that the reviewer might think it 'cliquey'. Still, I'm quite pleased that a professional reviewer thought my design was 'professional', and I had no idea that they were going to review this site and happened across it by chance when reading a friend's copy. Now watch my hit-counter rocket! (hmm, maybe not) Love & Luck, Lawrence Fingers 6 ------------------------------------ l.paulson@mmu.ac.uk ------------------------------------ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Jul 23 21:36:56 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id VAA21912 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 21:20:22 +0100 (BST) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA21903 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 21:20:19 +0100 (BST) Received: from (timbers.demon.co.uk) [158.152.167.14] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yzRqb-00054r-00; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 20:20:18 +0000 From: To: BritDisc Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 21:20:03 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Disc shop in London? Reply-to: jamie@timbers.demon.co.uk X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-Id: Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hey! Does anyone know of any shops in London where I can buy an Ultrastar? Cheers, Jamie. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Jul 24 00:33:48 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id AAA06131 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 00:14:24 +0100 (BST) Received: from amsta.leeds.ac.uk (amsta.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA06122 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 00:14:20 +0100 (BST) Received: from mobius.leeds.amsta (mobius.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.65]) by amsta.leeds.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA23462 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 00:15:08 +0100 (BST) Received: by mobius.leeds.amsta (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id AAA08988; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 00:15:30 +0100 Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 00:15:30 +0100 From: amtsjh@amsta.leeds.ac.uk (S J Hill) Message-Id: <199807232315.AAA08988@mobius.leeds.amsta> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Disc shop in Edinburgh X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk > Hey! Does anyone know of any shops in London where I can buy an > Ultrastar? Cheers, Jamie. No. But why not ring up Miles at WIND THINGS in Edinburgh and get him to send you some. (Apologies - but I don't have the phone number with me.) ******************************************************* And don't forget folks that you can order custom design ultrastars from Discraft through Wind Things as well! ******************************************************* Wind Things sponsor Catch 22 as you may have noticed from the slick new kit that Catch has been sporting of late. Wind Things also sponsor Sneeeky's I believe - and have helped out some other Scottish ultimate teams - altho' I don't know the details. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Jul 24 09:53:03 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id JAA05632 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 09:34:21 +0100 (BST) Received: from LONSF24317.MLE.CO.UK (lonsf24317.mle.co.uk [193.130.38.81]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA05626 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 09:34:19 +0100 (BST) Received: by LONSF24317.MLE.CO.UK id AA18951 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk); Fri, 24 Jul 1998 09:33:47 +0100 Message-Id: <199807240833.AA18951@LONSF24317.MLE.CO.UK> Received: by LONSF24317.MLE.CO.UK (Internal Mail Agent-2); Fri, 24 Jul 1998 09:33:47 +0100 Received: by LONSF24317.MLE.CO.UK (Internal Mail Agent-1); Fri, 24 Jul 1998 09:33:47 +0100 From: "Lewis, Mark (London)" To: "'jamie@timbers.demon.co.uk'" , BritDisc Subject: RE: Disc shop in London? Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 09:33:08 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Try the kite shop in Neal St, Covent Garden. Mark Albatross > -----Original Message----- > From: judy@timbers.demon.co.uk [SMTP:judy@timbers.demon.co.uk] > Sent: Thursday, July 23, 1998 10:20 PM > To: BritDisc > Subject: Disc shop in London? > > Hey! Does anyone know of any shops in London where I can buy an > Ultrastar? Cheers, Jamie. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Jul 24 11:26:07 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id KAA15897 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 10:59:16 +0100 (BST) Received: from hotmail.com (f59.hotmail.com [207.82.251.193]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA15881 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 10:59:14 +0100 (BST) Received: (qmail 6534 invoked by uid 0); 24 Jul 1998 09:58:42 -0000 Message-ID: <19980724095842.6533.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 131.246.119.80 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 02:58:42 PDT X-Originating-IP: [131.246.119.80] From: "Mike McDerment" To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 02:58:42 PDT Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Help! Only hours to spare...I'm in Germany and I want to play in the GB training this weekend but I can't find any info about where it is, who is running it, if I can play etc. Please contact me with info or a contact. Present time: 12:00pm local. Desperate to play and travel...everything hinges on contact. I'm praying, Mike (Canadian) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Jul 24 11:59:47 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id LAA20733 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 11:39:14 +0100 (BST) Received: from amsta.leeds.ac.uk (amsta.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA20713 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 11:39:11 +0100 (BST) Received: from newton.leeds.amsta (newton.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.64]) by amsta.leeds.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA03538 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 11:39:59 +0100 (BST) Received: by newton.leeds.amsta (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA26115; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 11:39:59 +0100 Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 11:39:59 +0100 From: amtsjh@amsta.leeds.ac.uk (S J Hill) Message-Id: <199807241039.LAA26115@newton.leeds.amsta> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: change of contact details for the Hills!! X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk I meant to mention this earlier in the week... Jack and I have moved - er, well sort of... Anyway, we can NO LONGER be contacted at 532D Whitehall Rd, LEEDS. T: 0113 289 0971. If you want to contact Jack, (thats Jackie Hill) then she is at her parents place (mostly): 60 Royston Rd BIDEFORD Devon EX39 3AW Tel: 01237 475345 If you want to contact me, (thats Si Hill: anything to do with CATCH 22, or Director of Competitions, etc) then 1. best use this email address 2. you can try one of the following phone numbers: 0113 2335175 (office) 0113 2335182 (late night computer room) 0113 2825800 (mate's house where I sleep) 3. get in touch with Jack (as above) and leave a message! Frankly - if its not email - I wouldn't bother. And even then I wouldn't bother because I'm in a crappy mood... :) See you soon Si - fed up of Leeds - missing Mrs H From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Jul 24 12:47:23 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id MAA27530 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 12:29:32 +0100 (BST) Received: from epunix.biols.susx.ac.uk (root@epunix.biols.susx.ac.uk [139.184.162.2]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA27519 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 12:29:31 +0100 (BST) Received: from localhost (1922 bytes) by epunix.biols.susx.ac.uk via sendmail with P:stdio/R:acukbind/T:smtp (sender: ) (ident using unix) id for ; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 12:29:30 +0100 ( BST) (Smail-3.2.0.101 1997-Dec-17 #10 built 1998-Feb-1) Message-Id: From: kevinbr@biols.susx.ac.uk (Kevin Brooks) Subject: Players' rights To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 12:29:29 +0100 ( BST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL20] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk BD, I'd like to add support with Del's recent comments on players changing teams, and dispense with criticisms that this leaves geo teams 'stranded'. I decided to play for Shotgun long after it had already been decided that the Mohawks would not be able to muster a full team for the tour without some kind of 'merger' happening. As a predominantly student team, it is always difficult to field a side all summer long. (Incidentally, you'll notice that Mohawk Mwnci Magic only played a few tour events, and so I would not have been able to play in the other events, which I would not have found satisfactory - exactly the kind of thing that Del was talking about). Despite being committed to 'Gun, I have still organised the SE's first ever student league (mainly as a means of getting less experienced players into the game), and organised practices back in Brighton, both at University and in town. And yes, we have made attempts to recruit the local populace with some success. I'm sure many of the other graduating players that have been mentioned have done similar things. Movement of players doesn't *necessarily* leave geo-teams stranded. If you're into recruiting, then great, good on you, well done, have a fuckin' medal. Even drop a few messages on BritDisc telling everyone how fantastic you are. But don't criticise others if they're not into recruiting - the 'holier than thou' stance being taken by some makes it sound like a moral obligation. In any case, what's the point in recruiting people to play a great fun game, and then piss them off by making them play for a team that they're not satisfied with? Locks, Shotgun/Mohawks. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Jul 24 13:12:26 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id MAA00671 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 12:55:36 +0100 (BST) Received: from exchpk02.chelt.ac.uk (exchpk02.chelt.ac.uk [194.66.194.6]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA00665 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 12:55:34 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199807241155.MAA00665@pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Received: by exchpk02.chelt.ac.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 12:55:47 +0100 From: "HUGHES, Chris" To: "'Britdisc'" Subject: Players rights Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 12:54:14 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Del makes a lot of very valid comments in his mail, and as a telephone team player myself, I would object to being FORCED to play for my local team (ignoring all the implications of how you decide which my local team is - BAF are closer; but it takes me less time to drive to a headrush practice down the Mway) You take a look at the set-up used in Sweden and Finland, where players are registered to a team and are not allowed to play competitively for 60 days when changing teams. This has resulted in an atmosphere where the fun element in tournaments has been removed; you can't just form a one off team for fun or tart because your team can't make that tournament because of the implications of the 60 day rule. This has resulted in a lot of the players complaining about a lack of tournaments, and lets face we are all in this for the enjoyment. Yes a lot of the top players want to win, and that is part of the enjoyment, but most of the players for these teams could easily be successful at football, rugby, bball, etc., etc. if they didn't enjoy the ultimate. >From this point of view, I feel that the tour rostering system is effective; maybe not perfect, but it's getting there. It prevents players bouncing around unreasonably during the major events, but allows players to enjoy themselves at the non-tour events. Fine, but this should still not prevent players for playing for their chosen team - who ever they are, and wherever they are in the country. Some people do not have the time, inclination, ability, or simply personality to train up a new team just because their nearest team is over an hours drive away. People want to play the game with their friends, or similarly motivated people, and will form a team to allow them to do so. Lets be realistic, the geo team will eventually beat the telephone teams, or more realistically - the practising teams will overtake those teams who just get together for tournaments - the reasons be too obvious to list here. But people will still play in teams that they enjoy, and that may not be your local team, and since the sport is never going to be professional in our lifetimes, the reason for playing must be linked to enjoyment - remove that and you kill the game. Encourage club teams to thrive - but any rules, or regulation that limits a players choice for who they can play for (in terms of location), or that penalises a non-geo team in competition is just going to cause resentment, and whilst handicapping a tournament for a one off might be a bit off a giggle, no-one wants to see it introduced for the major competitions. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Jul 24 13:32:35 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id NAA02918 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 13:14:52 +0100 (BST) Received: from gannet.scg.man.ac.uk (gannet.scg.man.ac.uk [130.88.94.110]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA02912 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 13:14:50 +0100 (BST) Received: from fs1.scg.man.ac.uk ([130.88.94.100]) by gannet.scg.man.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #2) for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk id 0yzgkM-0000ap-00; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 13:14:50 +0100 Received: from UK-AC-MAN-SCG-FS1/SpoolDir by fs1.scg.man.ac.uk (Mercury 1.31); 24 Jul 98 13:14:49 GMT+1 Received: from SpoolDir by UK-AC-MAN-SCG-FS1 (Mercury 1.21); 24 Jul 98 13:14:20 GMT+1 From: "Ben" Organization: University of Manchester, UK To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 13:14:11 GMT+1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Freshers or lack of! Reply-to: mddpsbs3@fs1.scg.man.ac.uk X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <199FCB59E3@fs1.scg.man.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi everybody I am at Bradford university - last year I was doing a year out and for some reason, in my absence, the University picked up NO freshers - thats right not one! as a result of this the university team (Disciples) nearly died and we had our training sessions taken away cos of a lack of numbers!Eventually we managed to just get them back (or at least one) because we made some willing freinds come - (Still only about 12 people). I have read Aaron's ultimate page and I have been inspired greatly however I don't know how to get hold of some of the stuff and was wondering if anybody can point me in the right direction! Where can I get hold of Ultimate in ten rules (To hand to people) =Mabe this one has a web adress! Where can I get hold of a nice video to impress people Where can I get hold of a pritty poster etc! Also mabe a large supply of unwanted leaflets would be really cool! cheers and ta ta for now! Silk (Feeling a bit worried about running a club next year) . From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Jul 24 15:28:13 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id PAA18113 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 15:12:24 +0100 (BST) Received: from mail.rmplc.net (koala.rmplc.co.uk [194.238.48.13]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA18091 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 15:12:18 +0100 (BST) Received: from acotgreave.internal.rmplc.net (hercules.rmplc.co.uk [194.238.48.90]) by mail.rmplc.net (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA14525 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 15:12:17 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199807241412.PAA14525@mail.rmplc.net> From: "Andy Cotgreave" To: "Britdisc" Subject: simple rules Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 15:12:22 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk hi, A while ago, there was a leaflet and a web page where the rules of Ultimate were explained in really simple terms (as I remember, it was ten or so bullet points). Does anyone have a copy of that, or know the URL where I could get it from? Cheers Andy Chevron acotgreave@rmplc.net From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Jul 24 15:55:01 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id PAA21974 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 15:39:31 +0100 (BST) Received: from smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk (smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk [193.114.232.134]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA21968 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 15:39:29 +0100 (BST) From: Wayne_Retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk Received: from ccMail by smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk (IMA Internet Exchange 3.01 Enterprise) id 0000115F; Fri, 24 Jul 98 15:36:58 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 15:37:53 +0100 Message-ID: <0000115F.CE21337@watsonwyatt.co.uk> Subject: Re: Players rights To: "'Britdisc'" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk There's some kind of wry, long-week Friday afternoon humour in here somewhere, I hope... "HUGHES; Chris" > but any rules, or regulation that limits a players choice for who they > can play for (in terms of location), as opposed to another method? (from the sublime to the ridiclous) "you can only have X players over 6ft3ins" "you must have a player who *needs* a knee-brace" "no more than Y players who can throw the length of the pitch" "second middle initials must be A-J" Maybe I've been a Druid too long :) But it's OK to regulate based on age and/or sex? Doesn't the Court of Human Rights (or whatever it's really called) regard this as "discrimination"? Hmmm, this might be a bit too philosophical/moral/political/opinionated to be discussed on BritDisc, so I'd suggest we don't bother... > or that penalises a non-geo team in competition is just going to cause > resentment, Does giving a geo-team an advantage equate to penalising a non-geo team? Paraphrased from the Tour Rules: In the event of a geo and non-geo team being level on Ranking Points, the Geo team shall be ranked higher... > and whilst handicapping a tournament for a one off might be a bit off > a giggle, no-one wants to see it introduced for the major > competitions. After all, this is "Ultimate", with an identity of its own (not "Golf"). I wonder if the Sports Council would take it better/worse if handicaps were "standard"... As Jeff Jackson mentioned in Exeter, in a brief but concentrated period of lucidity between Guinness and the Smarm-to-the-left/Insult-to-the-right Session "Hedonism is the philosophy of Life" Wayne Retter at work wayne_retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk at home wayne@phidelta.demon.co.uk ________________________________________________________________ Notice of Confidentiality This transmission is intended for the named addressee only. It contains information which may be confidential and which may also be privileged. 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If you have received this transmission in error please contact: ~admin@watsonwyatt.co.uk or IT Manager: +44(0)1737 241144 Fax: +44(0)1737 241496 Watson Wyatt Partners is regulated by the Institute of Actuaries in the conduct of UK investment business. _________________________________________________________________ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Jul 24 18:09:08 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id RAA08654 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 17:55:06 +0100 (BST) Received: from monsoon.dial.pipex.net (monsoon.dial.pipex.net [158.43.128.69]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA08638 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 17:55:04 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199807241655.RAA08638@pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Received: (qmail 6093 invoked from network); 24 Jul 1998 16:55:02 -0000 Received: from userp161.uk.uudial.com (HELO default) (193.149.91.160) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 24 Jul 1998 16:55:02 -0000 Reply-To: From: "Matthew Lowe" To: "'Britdisc'" Subject: Sports Council Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 17:55:12 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk > After all, this is "Ultimate", with an identity of its own (not "Golf"). I > wonder if the Sports Council would take it better/worse if handicaps were > "standard"... Being fairly new to ultimate (it's only been 6 months since my first tournament) I have heard a lot about sports council recognition but I don't quite understand what it's all about. So anyone who can answer some questions for me about it i would be very grateful, 1) What is required to get SC recognition? 2) What reasons did they give for rejecting Ultimate before? 3) What would SC recognition mean for Ultimate? 4) Does Ultimate in other countries ie. US, Canada etc. have SC recognition of there own SC's? I realise that responses might be quite long but I don't mind you filling up my in tray. Hope some one can help, Matt Lowe. Matthew.Lowe@Dial.Pipex.com From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Jul 24 20:40:48 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id UAA20142 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 20:29:04 +0100 (BST) Received: from send1d.yahoomail.com (send1d.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.48]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA20135 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 20:29:02 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <19980724192222.17352.rocketmail@send1d.yahoomail.com> Received: from [194.125.22.23] by send1d; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 12:22:22 PDT Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 12:22:22 -0700 (PDT) From: "Michael O'Meara" Subject: Ross Requirements?? To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Howdy y'all I'm playing possibly with the pookas and are wondering if somebody? in england could pick up some condoms, for our brief visit? they are cheaper from family planning! Ireland is really tough. Could somebody also hook us up with some Gear,maybe frisbees? knock out stuff! Mike O'Meara P.S Simon must Die! (Cocking) See you at Ross _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Jul 24 23:20:13 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id XAA00567 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 23:06:12 +0100 (BST) Received: from sfnet.com ([207.171.237.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA00562 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 23:06:08 +0100 (BST) From: joanne@sfnet.com Received: by sfnet.com id 0L4UL00Z Fri, 24 Jul 98 15:02:39 -0800 Message-ID: <9807241502.0L4UL00@sfnet.com> Organization: SF NET (San Francisco's Cafe Network) X-Mailer: TBBS/TIGER v1.0 Date: Fri, 24 Jul 98 15:02:39 -0800 Subject: Worlds To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk could someone please send me the address for the tournament this year. I did have it but I lost it during transit (the number aswell). Also what time are we expected to arrive on the Saturday? Is that when games start? Thanks From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sat Jul 25 10:52:48 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id KAA26244 for britdisc-outgoing; Sat, 25 Jul 1998 10:36:49 +0100 (BST) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA26238 for ; Sat, 25 Jul 1998 10:36:47 +0100 (BST) Received: from (phidelta.demon.co.uk) [158.152.248.177] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0z00kw-0005uR-00; Sat, 25 Jul 1998 09:36:47 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 10:34:30 +0100 To: Neil Travers , FluidDruids , BritDisc From: Wayne Retter Subject: Ross on Wye MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Trial Version 3.04 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk There's now maps of 1) Roughly where Ross is, 2) Ross Street Map on the website at http://www.phidelta.demon.co.uk/fluiddruids/ross98/ I've also put the text directions back into the Ross97 website (seems they were missing!) Wayne PS: Adam's still in charge, and the one to hassle! ---------------------------------------------------------------- Wayne Retter at home: 01737-242109 wayne@phidelta.demon.co.uk at work: 01737-273611 wayne_retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sun Jul 26 21:57:54 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id VAA16027 for britdisc-outgoing; Sun, 26 Jul 1998 21:43:56 +0100 (BST) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA16022 for ; Sun, 26 Jul 1998 21:43:53 +0100 (BST) Received: from ([158.152.203.174]) [158.152.203.174] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0z0Xe4-0007lZ-00; Sun, 26 Jul 1998 20:43:52 +0000 Subject: Re: simple rules Date: Sun, 26 Jul 98 21:45:47 +0100 x-sender: ultimatum@pop3.demon.co.uk x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: Paul Hurt To: "Britdisc" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Message-Id: Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk >hi, > >A while ago, there was a leaflet and a web page where the rules of Ultimate >were explained in really simple terms (as I remember, it was ten or so >bullet points). > >Does anyone have a copy of that, or know the URL where I could get it from? > >Cheers >Andy >Chevron >acotgreave@rmplc.net Try photocopying the back page of the current black and white Ultimatum. Or better still, download the PDF version from the Ultimatum web site and print out umpteen copies of the last page. Paul --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Hurt Editor, Ultimatum Magazine, London, England editor@ultimatum.demon.co.uk Visit Ultimatum Online... http://www.ultimatum.demon.co.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Jul 27 07:59:46 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id HAA09888 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 07:47:03 +0100 (BST) Received: from gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (ralf@gem [137.205.227.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA09883 for ; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 07:47:02 +0100 (BST) Received: (from ralf@localhost) by gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA19230 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 07:47:01 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 07:47:01 +0100 (BST) From: Ranulf Doswell Message-Id: <199807270647.HAA19230@gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: BFDF Events Reminder Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk British Flying Disc Federation Disc Events Diary ------------------------------------------------ The events list can also be found at http://www.dcs.warwick.ac.uk/~ralf/bfdf/ ---------- Saturday 1st August 1998 Ross-On-Wye (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 8th August 1998 GB Training (Open and Women) (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Friday 14th August 1998 Worlds (10 days) [Outdoor Ultimate Abroad] Saturday 15th August 1998 Edinburgh Festival Hat Tourney (2 days) @ Edinburgh [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Emma Beatty Email emmab@chem.ed.ac.uk BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Essex University [Golf] Sunday 16th August 1998 DDC Tournament (1 day) CANCELLED [Outdoor DDC] Contact Mark Jefferson Email Mark.Jj@btinternet.com Saturday 22nd August 1998 Something Fun (2 days) @ Hitchin, Herts [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Saturday 29th August 1998 BDGA Golf - B tier tournament (2 days) @ Crook of Devon, 45min north of Edinburgh [Golf] Contact Liam Young Email liamyoung@bigfoot.com Phone 0131 2252670 Friday 11th September 1998 BUF Open (3 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 19th September 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Burnlaw, Horthumberland [Golf] Saturday 26th September 1998 Nationals 98 (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 10th October 1998 BDGA Doubles Matchplay Championships (2 days) @ Ashton Court, Bristol [Golf] Contact Bud Tilton Email raf.freire@bristol.ac.uk Phone (0117) 926 9855 Saturday 24th October 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Whitcombe, Dorset [Golf Handicap] Saturday 7th November 1998 BDGA Singles Matchplay (2 days) @ TBC [Golf] Contact Andy Lucey Email andy_lucey@cargill.com Phone 0181 767 6766 ---------------------------------------------------------- British Flying Disc Federation Disc Events Diary http://www.dcs.warwick.ac.uk/~ralf/bfdf/ Ranulf Doswell, ralf@dcs.warwick.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Jul 27 08:50:01 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id IAA12162 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 08:38:03 +0100 (BST) Received: from venus.open.ac.uk (venus.open.ac.uk [137.108.143.2]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA12155 for ; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 08:38:02 +0100 (BST) Received: from [137.108.24.197] (actually host dhcp-kmi-208.open.ac.uk) by venus with SMTP Local (MMTA v2.2) with ESMTP; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 08:38:01 +0100 X-Sender: trevor@blake.open.ac.uk Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 08:39:31 +0100 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: Trevor Collins Subject: Ultimate in Ten Rules............. Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi, For those who may be interested, here's Ultimate in ten rules. I've forgotten the original source of these but I think they came to me via Barbara Bruno. * The Field - A rectangular shape with end-zones at each end. A regulation field is 70 yards by 40 yards, with end-zones 25 yards deep (or the biggest sports hall you can find!). * Initiate Play - Each point begins with both teams lining up on the front of their respective end-zone line. The defence throws ("pulls") the disc to the offence. A regulation game has seven players per team (five indoors). * Scoring - Each time the offence completes a pass in the defence's end-zone, the offence scores a point. Play is initiated after each score. * Movement of the Disc - The disc may be advanced in any direction by completing a pass to a team-mate. Players may not run with the disc. The person with the disc ("thrower") has ten seconds (eight indoors) to throw the disc. The defender guarding the thrower ("marker") counts out the stall count. * Change of possession - When a pass in not completed (e.g. out of bounds, drop, block, interception), the defence immediately takes possession of the disc and becomes the offence. * Substitutions - Players not in the game may replace players in the game after a score and during an injury time-out. * Non-contact - No physical contact is allowed between players. Picks and screens are also prohibited. A foul occurs when contact is made. * Fouls - When a player initiates contact on another player a foul occurs. When a foul disrupts possession, the play resumes as if the possession was retained. If the player committing the foul disagrees with the foul call, the play is redone. * Self-Refereeing - Players are responsible for their own foul and line calls. Players resolve their own disputes. * Spirit of the Game - Ultimate stresses sportsmanship and fair play. Competitive play is encouraged, but never at the expense of respect between players, adherence to the rules, and the basic joy of play. Good luck recruiting, Trevor. Mad Kows, MK. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Jul 27 10:58:25 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id KAA25363 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 10:44:56 +0100 (BST) Received: from FIREWALL.target-systems.com (mail.target-systems.com [194.168.207.2]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA25343 for ; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 10:44:53 +0100 (BST) Received: from as400a.target-systems.com by FIREWALL.target-systems.com (IBM Firewall for AS/400/4.2.0) id KAA002.29; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 10:46:50 GMT Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 10:45:15 +0100 To: "Britdisc" From: "Darren Evans" X-From-OfficeVision: "Darren Evans" Importance: medium X-Mailer: IBM Internet Messaging Framework Message-Id: <901532715-0-darren.evans@AS400A.TARGET-SYSTEMS.COM> X-MIME-Engine: v0.58 Subject: Lonely Beavers looking for playing friends at Ross MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Id: <901532715-1-darren.evans@AS400A.TARGET-SYSTEMS.COM> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id KAA25346 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Two players from Night Fever are looking for some friendly souls to let them partake in Ross next weekend! One of which only lives 30 mins from Ross. We will be going along whether we have a team or not, but obviously would prefer to play. If you can help at all please reply to the e-mail address below. Many Thanks Darren "Two Hands" Evans Night Fever Ultimate E-mail:- Darren.Evans@Target-Systems.com From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Jul 27 13:54:38 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id NAA15439 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 13:34:58 +0100 (BST) Received: from thanatos.clara.net (qmailr@thanatos.clara.net [195.8.69.60]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA15432 for ; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 13:34:56 +0100 (BST) Received: (qmail 785 invoked from network); 27 Jul 1998 12:34:52 -0000 Received: from du-1148.claranet.co.uk (HELO atlantis.mail) (195.8.77.113) by mail.clara.net with SMTP; 27 Jul 1998 12:34:52 -0000 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: BA Cadets Subject: Looking for a .....nice......pickup for Ross? Reply-To: jazzman@cadets.clara.net Organization: British Airways Message-Id: <980727132959.n0002952.cadets@mail.clara.net> X-Mailer: atlantis mail 32 Date: Mon, 27 Jul 98 13:29:59 GMT Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Dear All, As my regular bunch of cronies (those cheeky chaps at NightFever) have not entered for Ross, a few of us are now on the market for those teams having trouble raising numbers. I'm now offering myself on the street corner named "pick-up", and I'm going cheap. So if your team is after a one-tourney thing with no commitment, just lots of fun, then I'm your man (and I promise I'll still respect you on Monday morning)! Just drop me a line at jazzman@cadets.clara.net Ta. Ian "Jazzman" Cuddihy ex Fingers 6 currently NightFever could be yours for Ross! From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Jul 27 13:57:23 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id NAA17626 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 13:54:18 +0100 (BST) Received: from out4.ibm.net (out4.ibm.net [165.87.194.239]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA17603 for ; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 13:54:15 +0100 (BST) Received: from dwilson (slip139-92-21-11.lo.uk.ibm.net [139.92.21.11]) by out4.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id MAA30346 for ; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 12:54:12 GMT Message-Id: <199807271254.MAA30346@out4.ibm.net> Reply-To: From: "Jonathan Sinclair" To: Subject: Ross Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 13:44:28 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Does anybody have an empty seat going to Ross this weekend from London for a car-less soul? Cheers Jonathan From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Jul 27 20:27:51 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id UAA02648 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 20:00:46 +0100 (BST) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA02638 for ; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 20:00:43 +0100 (BST) Received: from (phidelta.demon.co.uk) [158.152.248.177] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0z0sVl-0003EL-00; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 19:00:42 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 19:59:11 +0100 To: BritDisc Cc: Andy_Lucey@cargill.com From: Wayne Retter Subject: Re: Ross on Wye In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Trial Version 3.04 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk All An interested individual wrote: > as soon as you get a clue on schedules could u let me know... like Manuel, "I know nothing" - please contact Adam Batchelor for more information. > alternatively i just assume we get the 8.00 am slot! Good option for everybody to bear in mind, though I'd rather hope we're not starting quite that early (but you never know...) Wayne ---------------------------------------------------------------- Wayne Retter at home: 01737-242109 wayne@phidelta.demon.co.uk at work: 01737-273611 wayne_retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Jul 27 21:02:23 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id UAA06925 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 20:50:38 +0100 (BST) Received: from neodymium.btinternet.com (neodymium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.83]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA06919 for ; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 20:50:36 +0100 (BST) Received: from txleckuj [195.171.236.187] by neodymium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 1.70 #1) id 0z0tH5-0003jT-00; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 20:49:40 +0100 From: "D Pocklington" To: Subject: Worlds 98 - Tournament Insurance / Passport requirements Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 20:51:54 +0100 Message-ID: <000301bdb998$01511320$6d3263c3@txleckuj> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk To anyone out there going to Worlds. 1) you really should have additional Tournament Insurance as the majority of travel insurance policies will not cover you for competing in a competition and you could find yourself with a rather large bill for medical expenses. You can get Tournament cover from a company called Extrasure who will charge the princely sum of £19.80 for eight days cover OVER AND ABOVE REGULAR TRAVEL INSURANCE! They have approved cover under Category A on their Activitysure policy, if you want to contact them, call 0171 480 6871, (I spoke to a very helpful lady called Sandy). Our policy number is 609/AC/80238 (S.E. Fergus & J.D.C. Pocklington ) (just in case that helps!) 2) Insurance Premium Tax goes up to SEVENTEEN & A HALF PER CENT on 1 August. It is currently around 4%, so now might be the time to sort this out. 3)You need a MINIMUM of 12 months on your passport to be allowed into the USA. You CANNOT travel to the USA on a one year temporary passport. If you try they probably won't let you on the plane. P.S we are not on commision! Sarah & Duncan From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Jul 28 15:45:10 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id PAA02714 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 15:30:16 +0100 (BST) Received: from gannet.scg.man.ac.uk (gannet.scg.man.ac.uk [130.88.94.110]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA02705 for ; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 15:30:15 +0100 (BST) Received: from fs1.scg.man.ac.uk ([130.88.94.100]) by gannet.scg.man.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #2) for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk id 0z1Ala-0007ND-00; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 15:30:14 +0100 Received: from UK-AC-MAN-SCG-FS1/SpoolDir by fs1.scg.man.ac.uk (Mercury 1.31); 28 Jul 98 15:30:13 GMT+1 Received: from SpoolDir by UK-AC-MAN-SCG-FS1 (Mercury 1.21); 28 Jul 98 15:29:54 GMT+1 From: "Ben" Organization: University of Manchester, UK To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 15:29:50 GMT+1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Shops? Reply-to: mddpsbs3@fs1.scg.man.ac.uk X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <7BE79F331F@fs1.scg.man.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Can anybody give me the phone number of Wind Things (Shop - Edinbourgh) or any Frisbee selling shop that will let me phone them up and order things with my credit cards to be delivered! thanks Ben.S Disciples _\|/_ ( * = ) | L | _____( Oh My Head ) \~/ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Jul 28 16:08:34 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id PAA05974 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 15:54:41 +0100 (BST) Received: from amsta.leeds.ac.uk (amsta.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA05963 for ; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 15:54:39 +0100 (BST) Received: from newton.leeds.amsta (newton.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.64]) by amsta.leeds.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA01701 for ; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 15:55:27 +0100 (BST) Received: by newton.leeds.amsta (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id PAA03824; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 15:55:32 +0100 Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 15:55:32 +0100 From: amtsjh@amsta.leeds.ac.uk (S J Hill) Message-Id: <199807281455.PAA03824@newton.leeds.amsta> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Wind Things phone no. only X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk > Can anybody give me the phone number of Wind Things (Shop - > Edinbourgh) or any Frisbee selling shop that will let me phone them > up and order things with my credit cards to be delivered! The phone number for Wind Things is: 0131 622 7032. I don't know if you can do a credit card order for discs - but I can't imagine why not. Si (22) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Jul 28 17:08:51 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id QAA13983 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 16:50:40 +0100 (BST) Received: from charon.cargill.com (charon.cargill.com [167.136.225.225]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA13972; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 16:50:34 +0100 (BST) From: Andy_Lucey@cargill.com Received: from hermes.cargill.com (hermes.cargill.com [167.136.226.140]) by charon.cargill.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA05320; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 10:49:37 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lonn.cgo.cargill.com (lonn.cgo.cargill.com [172.31.59.51]) by hermes.cargill.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA11548; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 10:49:35 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by lonn.cgo.cargill.com (AIX4.2/UCB 8.7/8.7) with SMTP id QAA55596; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 16:49:24 +0100 (BST) X-OpenMail-Hops: 1 Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 16:49:21 +0100 Message-Id: Subject: BDGA 6- Colchester MIME-Version: 1.0 TO: Disc.Golf.Distribution@csv.warwick.ac.uk, eurodisc@ira.uka.de, britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; name="cc:Mail" Content-Disposition: inline; filename="cc:Mail" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk August 15/ 16 th Round 6 of the BDGA tour and the final 'A' ranking event of the year Proposed format as follows: Full practice day Friday 14th August with doubles event scheduled for 5.00 pm start. Tournament -Saturday- 10.30 am- 18 holes pm- 18 holes Sunday- 10.30 am- 18 holes pm- 9 holes all players followed by 9 hole final for top 2 groups /8 players Finish time approx 4.30 pm We have made some alterations to some of the holes on the course especially on the holes before and after the lake. As a result, some alternative tee and basket positions will be used on both days rounds. Additionally, for the 9-hole final,(and possibly for the preceeding 9-hole group round depending on numbers) we have designed a 'new' course that utilises some of the existing, as well as the new basket placings. For accomadation- the easiest way is to call the Colchester Tourist Board which offers a complete b+b/ hotel/ campsite listing as well as a free booking service. If you're intending to come, please give me a call so that i have a clue on numbers. If you need more info- give me a call- work -0171 2204861 home- 0181 7676766 See you there Toy From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Jul 29 13:01:58 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id MAA11601 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 12:40:27 +0100 (BST) Received: from yellowrose.mfsdatanet.com (yellowrose.MFSDatanet.COM [192.225.25.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA11592 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 12:40:24 +0100 (BST) Received: from MFSDatanet.COM (magicbox.MFSDatanet.COM [150.225.10.1]) by yellowrose.mfsdatanet.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id GAA24676 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 06:40:08 -0500 (CDT) Received: from tulex01.mfsdatanet.com by MFSDatanet.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA21740; Wed, 29 Jul 98 04:40:03 PDT Received: by tulex01.mfsdatanet.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 06:41:52 -0500 Message-Id: <6197F7B4D110D21181A800805F0D619C4B7A57@gblon1expf.wcom.co.uk> From: "Luttrell, Suzy" To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Extreme Sports Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 06:40:01 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Just wondering if any Ultimate people are going to the extreme sports event in Nottingham. Might be a good place to set up an impromptu game of Ultimate and dazzle other people with our very own extreme sport! (For those of you who don't know me I used to play a few years ago). If anyone wants to call me about this: my home number is 0181 492 0144 work: 0171 750 3107 (and any of you guys who I haven't spoken to for ages are very welcome to call). Apologies to all those people who this doesn't interest but it's all for the good of the sport - exposing it to extreme sports people and maybe recruiting a few!! Suzy Luttrell ex. Chaos, Playthings and have played for various other teams!! From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Jul 29 14:28:05 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id OAA23788 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 14:08:13 +0100 (BST) Received: from fritz.st-andrews.ac.uk (root@fritz.st-and.ac.uk [138.251.24.9]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA23777 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 14:08:11 +0100 (BST) Received: from langs.st-andrews.ac.uk (bgh@langs [138.251.24.10]) by fritz.st-andrews.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA04443 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 14:07:59 +0100 (BST) Received: from localhost (bgh@localhost) by langs.st-andrews.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA01334 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 14:08:16 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 14:08:16 +0100 (BST) From: Benjamin Gordon Heywood X-Sender: bgh@st-andrews.ac.uk To: BritDisc Subject: Lonesome sorceror..... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Lonely Sorceror/sneeky's type seeks team for Ross. If anybody feels their team would be complemented by an outrageously lanky bloke with the occasional half decent forehand and a guitar, mail me back. I don't care if I don't get too much playing time, but I'd love to go down and see friends; I'm not quite sad enough to hang around a tournament without playing at all...... Benji From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Jul 29 15:52:29 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id PAA06359 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 15:37:16 +0100 (BST) Received: from exchpk02.chelt.ac.uk (exchpk02.chelt.ac.uk [194.66.194.6]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA06338 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 15:37:13 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199807291437.PAA06338@pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Received: by exchpk02.chelt.ac.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 15:37:31 +0100 From: "HUGHES, Chris" To: "'Britdisc'" Subject: Ross-on-Wye Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 15:35:54 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk To all teams at Ross; The schedule is such so that all teams will play their first game at either 9:15 or 10:15. Teams need to have registered by 9:00, to find out when they play, and if you are late tough titty, your opposition are unlikely to be willing to reschedule their game as it means playing at 7:15 in the evening And please remember to make sure you don't park your cars or pitch your tents on, or to close to the pitches. Please leave at least 5metres for tents and use the car park for cars, once you have unloaded. Anything too close to the pitches will be moved, and not very gently. Thanks Chris From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Jul 30 12:57:41 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id MAA10607 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 12:42:41 +0100 (BST) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA10584 for ; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 12:42:31 +0100 (BST) Received: from ([158.152.203.174]) [158.152.203.174] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0z1r6M-00004V-00; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 11:42:30 +0000 Subject: Ultimatum 37 is at Ultimatum Online Date: Thu, 30 Jul 98 12:44:31 +0100 x-sender: ultimatum@pop3.demon.co.uk x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: Paul Hurt To: "BritDisc" , "EuroDisc" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Message-Id: Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi all Issue 37 of the Ultimatum newsletter is now available for downloading at Ultimatum Online. In this issue: * Paganello World Beach Ultimate Cup * Departures at top of British Ultimate Federation * Wall Street Journal article analysis * Gaia Ultimate clothing and cleats * Management reshuffle at WUC'98 * Rotterdam Harbour Ultimate '98 * BUF Ultim-8 Tour I & II full reports * BUF Student Outdoors report * Chaos Outdoors Ultimatum Online is at http://www.ultimatum.demon.co.uk Go to the "newsletters" section to download Ultimatum 37. Regarding the "blank pages" problem: ------------------------------------ If you've been downloading previous Ultimatums with no difficulty, then you should have no problem with issue 37. However, it seems "blank pages" syndrome is still an issue for a small minority of people, despite recent changes to the way I'm optimising PDFs for the web. Sorry. It's starting to look like a server problem, and I'm working with our ISP to try and fix this. As I say, if you've not had a problem up to now, you won't have a problem with Issue 37, so ignore this warning. Cheers Paul --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Hurt Editor, Ultimatum Magazine, London, England editor@ultimatum.demon.co.uk Visit Ultimatum Online... http://www.ultimatum.demon.co.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Jul 30 15:38:06 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id PAA00346 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 15:22:12 +0100 (BST) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA00340 for ; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 15:22:10 +0100 (BST) Received: from ([158.152.203.174]) [158.152.203.174] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0z1tar-0005eG-00; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 14:22:10 +0000 Subject: Gynga team at Ross Date: Thu, 30 Jul 98 15:24:10 +0100 x-sender: ultimatum@pop3.demon.co.uk x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: Paul Hurt To: "BritDisc" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Message-Id: Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi, me again Just a note to confirm that the Gynga All-Stars will be making an appearance for one weekend only, at Ross-on-Wye. To everyone who asked to play for the team - we'll see you there, if we haven't already been able to make contact with you (Ian P? Isla? Andy K?) To any red-head Ultimate players who we missed out, if you'd like to play give me (0181 767 8243) or Fiona Sawers (0181 889 7535) a call tonight, or just show up on Saturday morning. Note that players that dye their hair or are prepared to wear a red wig on-pitch are eligible. Go on Beaver-people, you know you want to. Paul --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Hurt Editor, Ultimatum Magazine, London, England editor@ultimatum.demon.co.uk Visit Ultimatum Online... http://www.ultimatum.demon.co.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Jul 30 16:33:14 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id QAA07764 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 16:20:26 +0100 (BST) Received: from smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk ([193.114.232.129]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA07757 for ; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 16:20:24 +0100 (BST) From: Wayne_Retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk Received: from ccMail by smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk (IMA Internet Exchange 3.01 Enterprise) id 00002F98; Thu, 30 Jul 98 15:50:20 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 15:47:20 +0100 Message-ID: <00002F98.CE21337@watsonwyatt.co.uk> Subject: Re: FW: Ross-on-Wye To: BritDisc Cc: Suzanne_C_Penfold@sbphrd.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk For all of you that have forgotten/mislaid the directions, etc, text directions and maps can be found via the following website http://www.phidelta.demon.co.uk/fluiddruids/ross98/ Wayne PS: I've got the day off on Friday, so you'll need to hassle Adam/Chris for any more info ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: FW: Ross-on-Wye Author: "HUGHES; Chris" Date: 30/07/98 15:02 Wayne can you answer this for me please, Cheers, Chris -----Original Message----- From: Suzanne_C_Penfold@sbphrd.com Subject: Re: Ross-on-Wye Date: 30-Jul-98 02:55:33 PM Hi Chris, Sorry to bother you when this stuff has allready been sent out on Britdisc but I was wondering if you could give me the site with directions on it please! I cleverly went and deleted it. Cheers dears See you at the weekend (if I get there) Suze ________________________________________________________________ Notice of Confidentiality This transmission is intended for the named addressee only. It contains information which may be confidential and which may also be privileged. Unless you are the named addressee (or authorised to receive it for the addressee) you may not copy or use it, or disclose it to anyone else. If you have received this transmission in error please contact: ~admin@watsonwyatt.co.uk or IT Manager: +44(0)1737 241144 Fax: +44(0)1737 241496 Watson Wyatt Partners is regulated by the Institute of Actuaries in the conduct of UK investment business. _________________________________________________________________ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Jul 30 19:16:58 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id SAA25053 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 18:59:04 +0100 (BST) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA25042 for ; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 18:59:01 +0100 (BST) Received: from (lurker.demon.co.uk) [158.152.56.63] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0z1wyi-00049r-00; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 17:59:00 +0000 From: Howard@lurker.demon.co.uk (Howee Lurker) To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Ross Pickups Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 17:59:06 GMT Organization: LFDC Message-ID: <35c1b3c2.22279062@post.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: Forte Agent .99f/16.299 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id SAA25046 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi All, I have seen a few requests for people wanting to pick up at Ross. Just to say that we Lurkers could probably do with a few more players... for a change. If you feel you might want to lurk around with us give Ed a ring on his mobile thing (0956 294519) to make sure we don't end up with too many, or don't bother and just see us down there in Lurker corner and say you tried to ring but couldn't get through or something. (You can reply to me here but I am off to Ross Friday and won't read it until I get back). I trust that we have a full range of international music artists layed on for us?... last year Van Morrison was cool - can we have him again this year? Here's looking forward to big pubs by the river and curry and that tunnel you go under on the way back from the pub then get lost in the mist and some tequilla fun round the campsite and swimming in the Wye and all that good stuff. Then there's always Saturday to come.... Oh yeah and some Frisbee. Yeah Frisbee Frisbee Frisbee hoho. Luv you all lots, Howie. __ @ Lurkers Flying Disc Club / / --- (( ( ( ( 0 " A Dive Would Have Done It " ___/| Ultimate Matured in England For 15 Years / howard@lurker.demon.co.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Jul 30 20:12:38 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id TAA29877 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 19:54:28 +0100 (BST) Received: from hotmail.com (f86.hotmail.com [207.82.250.192]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA29870 for ; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 19:54:25 +0100 (BST) Received: (qmail 3376 invoked by uid 0); 30 Jul 1998 18:53:48 -0000 Message-ID: <19980730185348.3375.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 194.125.2.232 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 11:53:47 PDT X-Originating-IP: [194.125.2.232] From: "Mike McDerment" To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 11:53:47 PDT Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hello again, Mike McDerment here. I woud like to send thanks to those of you who replied to my email (Jeff, David and Wayne) and all the guys at Brit Training last week who fed me beers, gave me a place to stay and some time on the pitch. I had a great time and really appreciated the good company, so once again, thanks a bunch and good luck at worlds. Currently I'm in Ireland and I am trying to make some last minute plans for Ross-on-Y (hope I got that right). I was wondering if anyone is driving to Bristol from the West coast and if they might have some room in their vehicle in exchange for gas money. I can get to Fishgaurd and Holyhead with little difficulty. This is for Friday night. I was also wondering if someone might have info about the tournament or know a website where I could get some. Short of that I hope to see whomever is reading this there. Mike McDerment (Canadian) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Jul 30 20:38:48 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id UAA02491 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 20:25:40 +0100 (BST) Received: from sparc.isl.net (root@sparc.isl.net [199.3.25.3]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA02480 for ; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 20:25:38 +0100 (BST) Received: from [199.3.25.92] (ppp-092.isl.net [199.3.25.92]) by sparc.isl.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA26409; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 14:25:18 -0500 (CDT) Posted-Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 14:25:18 -0500 (CDT) X-Sender: moore@sparc.isl.net (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 14:26:53 -0600 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: james e moore Subject: Looking for Jeff Iliff Cc: Hotelsis@aol.com Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Eurodiscers, Looking for Jeff Iliff, last known to be in Hungary..the above address.. Pls code in Tim Aney...much appreciated Jim M From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Jul 31 11:00:00 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id KAA26826 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 31 Jul 1998 10:46:29 +0100 (BST) Received: from exchpk02.chelt.ac.uk (exchpk02.chelt.ac.uk [194.66.194.6]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA26819 for ; Fri, 31 Jul 1998 10:46:27 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199807310946.KAA26819@pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Received: by exchpk02.chelt.ac.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Fri, 31 Jul 1998 10:46:41 +0100 From: "HUGHES, Chris" To: "'Britdisc'" Subject: FAO Britdisc Manager Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 10:45:09 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk To whoever has control of the Britdisc mailing system, I don't know if Damo's (Damian Mudge) name has come off the mailing list, but his company are still receiving mails for him - can someone remove him from the list please; they are getting stroppy at me. Chris -----Original Message----- From: Hans Dixon [SMTP:hansd@worldsy.com] Sent: 29 July 1998 16:30 To: HUGHES, Chris Subject: RE: Ross-on-Wye Damian has now left, please amend your mailing list. Thankyou. -----Original Message----- From: HUGHES, Chris [SMTP:CHughes@chelt.ac.uk] Sent: 29 July 1998 15:36 To: 'Britdisc' Subject: Ross-on-Wye To all teams at Ross; The schedule is such so that all teams will play their first game at either 9:15 or 10:15. Teams need to have registered by 9:00, to find out when they play, and if you are late tough titty, your opposition are unlikely to be willing to reschedule their game as it means playing at 7:15 in the evening And please remember to make sure you don't park your cars or pitch your tents on, or to close to the pitches. Please leave at least 5metres for tents and use the car park for cars, once you have unloaded. Anything too close to the pitches will be moved, and not very gently. Thanks Chris From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Aug 3 08:07:01 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id HAA20361 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 07:47:04 +0100 (BST) Received: from gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (ralf@gem [137.205.227.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA20356 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 07:47:02 +0100 (BST) Received: (from ralf@localhost) by gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA26776 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 07:47:01 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 07:47:01 +0100 (BST) From: Ranulf Doswell Message-Id: <199808030647.HAA26776@gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: BFDF Events Reminder Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk British Flying Disc Federation Disc Events Diary ------------------------------------------------ The events list can also be found at http://www.dcs.warwick.ac.uk/~ralf/bfdf/ ---------- Saturday 8th August 1998 GB Training (Open and Women) (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Friday 14th August 1998 Worlds (10 days) [Outdoor Ultimate Abroad] Saturday 15th August 1998 Edinburgh Festival Hat Tourney (2 days) @ Edinburgh [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Emma Beatty Email emmab@chem.ed.ac.uk BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Essex University [Golf] Sunday 16th August 1998 DDC Tournament (1 day) CANCELLED [Outdoor DDC] Contact Mark Jefferson Email Mark.Jj@btinternet.com Saturday 22nd August 1998 Something Fun (2 days) @ Hitchin, Herts [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Saturday 29th August 1998 BDGA Golf - B tier tournament (2 days) @ Crook of Devon, 45min north of Edinburgh [Golf] Contact Liam Young Email liamyoung@bigfoot.com Phone 0131 2252670 Friday 11th September 1998 BUF Open (3 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 19th September 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Burnlaw, Horthumberland [Golf] Saturday 26th September 1998 Nationals 98 (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 10th October 1998 BDGA Doubles Matchplay Championships (2 days) @ Ashton Court, Bristol [Golf] Contact Bud Tilton Email raf.freire@bristol.ac.uk Phone (0117) 926 9855 Saturday 24th October 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Whitcombe, Dorset [Golf Handicap] Saturday 7th November 1998 BDGA Singles Matchplay (2 days) @ TBC [Golf] Contact Andy Lucey Email andy_lucey@cargill.com Phone 0181 767 6766 ---------------------------------------------------------- British Flying Disc Federation Disc Events Diary http://www.dcs.warwick.ac.uk/~ralf/bfdf/ Ranulf Doswell, ralf@dcs.warwick.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Aug 4 09:56:23 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id JAA22139 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 09:40:10 +0100 (BST) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA22133 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 09:40:08 +0100 (BST) Received: from (otto.crispgroup.co.uk) [193.237.6.65] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0z3cdZ-0005Ig-00; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 08:40:07 +0000 Received: from [129.1.1.241] by otto.crispgroup.co.uk (NTMail 3.03.0017/1.aia2) with ESMTP id ha009757 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 09:37:21 +0100 Received: from [129.1.11.108] by homer.crispgroup.co.uk (NTMail 3.03.0012/1.aia2) with ESMTP id ea021142 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 09:36:18 +0100 Received: by raviben810.crispgroup.co.uk with Microsoft Mail id <01BDBF8C.4A18AE20@raviben810.crispgroup.co.uk>; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 09:43:09 +0100 Message-ID: <01BDBF8C.4A18AE20@raviben810.crispgroup.co.uk> From: Ben Ravilious To: "'Britdisc'" Subject: Leicester League Update Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 09:43:08 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Info: Crisp Computing Mail Server Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id JAA22134 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Midlanders, I have thrown-out the old schedule as attendance by some of the more distant players has been too erratic. The good news is that the council are pleased with the consistant 30-or-so turnout and have offered us the park for the rest of August. We then hope to finish up with maybe a mini one-day tournament or something similar (any suggestions?) which should attract more publicity. We will continue with last weeks winning formula of separating players into two groups (experienced and not so experienced) so that everyone gets to play at their own level and the new people dont get ignored. See you tonight or maybe another Tuesday... Ben From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Aug 4 23:24:19 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id XAA20175 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 23:08:39 +0100 (BST) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA20162 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 23:08:35 +0100 (BST) Received: from (dreamer.demon.co.uk) [158.152.82.103] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0z3oJ7-0000QM-00; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 21:07:45 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 21:49:34 +0100 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: Neil Travers Subject: Ross results MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (32) Version 3.05 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Here's the final placings from the Ross-on-Wye tournament. Spirit: Mwnci 1. Hard on Hugh MVP: Paulo Nistri 2. Catch 22 3. Chevron 4. Fluid Druids 5. More than just a Hint 6. Funky Monks 7. Hombres 8. First Touch ------------------- 9. Old Scrotes 10. Headrush 11. Whiplash 12. Pookas 13. Gyngas 14. Lurkers 15. Village 16. Mud Culture 17. Superfly 18. Albatross (or as the Tshirts said: Alb @ Ross) 19. Splipdisc 20. Mwnci 21. GB Juniors 22. Picnic in the Sky 23. GB Women 24. Sneeekies -- Neil Travers From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Aug 5 22:22:55 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id WAA22170 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 22:06:51 +0100 (BST) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA22163 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 22:06:49 +0100 (BST) Received: from (phidelta.demon.co.uk) [158.152.248.177] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0z4Alk-0004cx-00; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 21:06:48 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 20:41:05 +0100 To: BritDisc From: Layout Dreams Reply-To: Chris Hughes Subject: Nationals MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Trial Version 3.04 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Quick update, and rumour quashing... Nationals is NOT at Swindon this year. In fact, a venue has yet to be found (everybody is full of football matches!) hence the exact dates can not yet be confirmed. The preferred dates for Nationals are: 26+27 Sept then, in order 03+04 Oct or 19+20 Sept It also seems *unlikely* that an 'Open Division' (or 'Not the Nationals') will occur at the same event. If anybody has a venue, capable of holding minimum 6, ideally 8 (or more!) fullsize Ultimate pitches in decent condition, good local accomodation options, availability for camping, a local party venue, and a local AGM venue please CONTACT CHRIS HUGHES home tel: 01452-859210 work email: c.hughes@chelt.ac.uk We're working on two potential venues at the moment - Cheltenham and West London, but beurocracy and the holiday season are delaying things... Thankyou Wayne Retter PS: Please do NOT contact Wayne Retter or Simon Hill as they'll both be in the USA and your message may not get through... _____________________________________________________________________________ Chris Hughes layoutDREAMS Wayne Retter +44/0-1452-859210 LayoutDreams@phidelta.demon.co.uk +44/0-1737-242109 http://www.phidelta.demon.co.uk/layoutdreams/ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Aug 6 11:49:54 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id LAA14360 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 11:32:03 +0100 (BST) Received: from ns01.sbphrd.com (firewall-user@ns01.sbphrd.com [208.198.64.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA14352 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 11:32:01 +0100 (BST) From: Suzanne_C_Penfold@sbphrd.com Received: by ns01.sbphrd.com; id GAA22141; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 06:31:15 -0400 Received: from phinet.sbphrd.com(139.136.64.5) by ns01.sbphrd.com via smap (3.2) id xma022095; Thu, 6 Aug 98 06:30:55 -0400 Received: from uksmtp01.ha.uk.sbphrd.com by phinet.sbphrd.com; (/) id AA03670; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 06:30:54 -0400 Received: by uksmtp01.ha.uk.sbphrd.com(Lotus SMTP MTA SMTP MTA v1.1.04 (495.1 10-24-1997)) id 80256658.0039DC25 ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 11:31:59 +0100 X-Lotus-Fromdomain: SB_PHARM_RD To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Message-Id: <80256658.00396497.00@uksmtp01.ha.uk.sbphrd.com> Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 11:34:39 +0100 Subject: Edinburgh Hat Tourne Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk cc: From: Suzanne C Penfold @ SB_PHARM_RD Date: 06-Aug-98 11:34:39 AM Subject: Edinburgh Hat Tourne Categories: Hi people, Is there anyone going to the Edinburgh Hat tourne who wants to share transport from the London area? Please mail me soon if you are interested as otherwise I need to book a train ticket. Cheers Suzanne From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Aug 6 14:23:24 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id OAA03822 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 14:06:44 +0100 (BST) Received: from mx1.rmplc.co.uk (dns2.rmplc.co.uk [194.154.16.99]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA03780 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 14:06:38 +0100 (BST) Received: from mail.rmplc.net (koala.rmplc.co.uk [194.238.48.13]) by mx1.rmplc.co.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA14236 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 13:06:38 GMT Received: from acotgreave.internal.rmplc.net (hercules.rmplc.co.uk [194.238.48.90]) by mail.rmplc.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA09143 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 14:06:37 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199808061306.OAA09143@mail.rmplc.net> From: "Andy Cotgreave" To: "Britdisc" Subject: Paolo and Larry Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 14:06:11 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi, Anyone got Paolo or Larry's (from Catch 22) work numbers? Andy acotgreave@rmplc.net From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Aug 6 15:11:32 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id OAA11999 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 14:58:50 +0100 (BST) Received: from smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk ([193.114.232.129]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA11990 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 14:58:47 +0100 (BST) From: Wayne_Retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk Received: from ccMail by smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk (IMA Internet Exchange 3.01 Enterprise) id 0000570A; Thu, 6 Aug 98 13:57:57 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 13:58:12 +0100 Message-ID: <0000570A.CE21337@watsonwyatt.co.uk> Subject: Re: Nationals To: BritDisc Cc: Chris Hughes Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Layout Dreams wrote: >If anybody has a venue, capable of holding minimum 6, ideally 8 (or >more!) fullsize Ultimate pitches in decent condition, good local >accomodation options, availability for camping, a local party venue, > and a local AGM venue please CONTACT CHRIS HUGHES > >home tel: 01452-859210 work email: c.hughes@chelt.ac.uk when, of course, Chris' email address is chughes@chelt.ac.uk Wayne ________________________________________________________________ Notice of Confidentiality This transmission is intended for the named addressee only. 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There are also directions for the playing fields for anyone turning up on Saturday morning. The registration will take place on Saturday morning before the games start at 9:30 for games to begin at 10:00. There will be refreshments on site for Saturday at least, but you can't take your own food into the grounds. Everyone who needs accomodation will be OK, just let me know definite numbers SOON! There is no party formally organised, but hey, its the festival and there is loads going on! See you all soon Let me know any problems and final numbers, Ta Emma 0131 667 5336 (H) 0131 650 4704 (W) emmab@chem.ed.ac.uk THE A-Z OF DIRECTIONS (OR HOW TO FIND THE PUB!!! - ROUTES STRAIGHT TO FIELDS AT BOTTOM) (1) FROM THE AIRPORT Once you have arrived at Edinburgh Airport you can take either the taxi or the bus. You can catch either type of bus. The fare is about £3.50. The bus will finally travel along Princes Street, and stop on Waverley Bridge, just beside the station. Walk back up the road to Princes Street, turn right and follow the road until you get to the lights and turn right up the hill, this is North Bridge. You can KEEP walking along the road. Just after passing The Abbey pub (on South Clerk Street) take a left, and follow the road (East Preston Street) to the T-junction, turn right. The pub is on the right hand side of the road after one block. This walk will take about half an hour! OR Catch any bus that goes to ‘South Clerk Street‘ from North Bridge, and then walk along in the same direction until you reach The Abbey pub and turn left at the set of traffic lights follow the road (East Preston Street) to the T-junction. The pub is on the right hand side of the road after one block, opposite the Commonwealth Pool. OR Get a taxi to The Physician and Firkin, which is opposite the Commonwealth Pool. (2) FROM THE BUS STATION Once you have arrived at the bus station, follow the footpath (this is to the right of the entrance to the St. James Centre) through until you reach Princes Street (about 200m away). Across the road is the bottom of North Bridge. Walk straight up North Bridge and continue along until the far end of South Clerk Street, at this set of traffic lights take a left (just after passing The Abbey pub) and follow the road (East Preston Street) to the T-junction and turn right. The pub is on the right hand side of the road after one block, this walk will take about half an hour! OR >From North Bridge catch any bus that goes to ‘South Clerk Street‘ and then walk along in the same direction until you reach The Abbey pub and turn left at the set of traffic lights follow the road (East Preston Street) to the T-junction and it is on the right hand side of the road after one block, opposite the Commonwealth Pool. OR Get a taxi to The Physician and Firkin, which is opposite the Commonwealth Pool. (3) FROM THE TRAIN STATION Once you have arrived in Edinburgh Waverley station find the large notice board (with arrivals and departures), turn your back to it. You should see a sign for the Way Out on your left. Take the steps (rising up over the bike stands) that go up to Waverley Market, they turn right and take you up to the East end of Princes Street. Catch any bus that goes to ‘South Clerk Street‘ from North Bridge, and then walk along in the same direction until you reach The Abbey pub, and turn left at the set of traffic lights follow the road (East Preston Street) to the T-junction and turn right, it is on the right hand side of the road after one block, opposite the Commonwealth Pool. OR Get a taxi to The Physician and Firkin Pub, which is opposite the Commonwealth Pool. OR Walk straight up North Bridge and continue along South Bridge, Nicolson Street, Clerk Street, South Clerk Street, at the set of traffic lights take a left (just after passing The Abbey pub) and follow the road to the T-junction and turn right. The pub is on the right hand side of the road after one block, this walk will take about half an hour! (4) BY ROAD Follow the instructions for your chosen route. A1 ROUTE Follow the A1 until you reach the A720. Continue along the road and take the first exit, A 6095. The streets you drive along are as follows: , Newcraighall Road , Niddrie Mains Road Continue along Niddrie Mains Road. After two more sets of lights, this changes name to Peffermill Road. Follow to the roundabout and take the third exit, Dalkeith Road. Follow this road until you reach the Commonwealth Pool. The Physician & Firkin pub is opposite, parking is available in the pub car park, and the bar will be open. M6/M74 ROUTE Follow the M6 until it becomes the M74/A74. Keep on this road until you get to Junction 13 (of the M74) which is at Abington. Follow the signs for the A702. Remember to take the A702 when it forks right shortly after joining the A702, or you‘ll drive straight onto the A73. The A702 is the usual route to Edinburgh and passes through Biggar. After about 40 miles you will pass the Hillend Artificial Ski Slopes. You want to take the City By-pass to the East, A720, to do this, drive over it and then come back round the roundabout and turn left down the slip road. Take the first exit, the A701. The streets you drive along are as follows: , Burdiehouse Road , Howden Hall Road, Liberton Gardens , Liberton Brae , Liberton Road , Lady Road, cross over the small roundabout (entrance to shopping centre) then take the first left at the roundabout (Dalkieth Road), and follow this road until you reach the Commonwealth Pool. The Physician & Firkin pub is opposite, parking is available in the pub car park, and the bar will still be open. OTHER ROUTES Whatever other route you come to Edinburgh it is easy to meet the A720, the Edinburgh By-pass. If you dont know of an easier way, follow this until you reach the A701. The instructions after this are given above. STRAIGHT TO THE FIELDS OR IF you are turning up on Saturday morning and want to go stright to the fields: FROM (1) - (3) ABOVE Keep going down Dalkeith Road (away from the Pub and City Centre) and take the first left off the roundabout at the bottom onto Peffermill Road. The playing fields are about 400 yards on the right hand side, after the garage. The entrance is marked clearly. A1 ROUTE Peffermill sports grounds are on the Left hand side, about 400 yards before the roundabout. M6/M74 ROUTE Go straight across the roundabout onto Peffermill Road, its the exit after Dalkieth road, the playing fields are about 400 yards on the right hand side, after the garage. The entrance is marked clearly. -- ___)) / \ | | |\/\(o)(o) C ,---_) | |,___| | \__/ MMMmmm...doughnut! DOH! /_____\ /_____/ \ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Aug 7 10:58:41 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id KAA23621 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 10:44:36 +0100 (BST) Received: from hotmail.com (f121.hotmail.com [207.82.250.214]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA23614 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 10:44:33 +0100 (BST) Received: (qmail 22444 invoked by uid 0); 7 Aug 1998 09:44:00 -0000 Message-ID: <19980807094400.22443.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 195.11.50.206 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 07 Aug 1998 02:44:00 PDT X-Originating-IP: [195.11.50.206] From: "Vanessa White" To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: 5 live Frisbee for Beginner Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 02:44:00 PDT Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Don't exactly know what it is all about, but a friend from work heard that there would be a discussion on five live on Saturday afternoon, titled Frisbee for Beginners. Just to let if you are interested to listen out. Vanessa ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Aug 7 12:09:17 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id LAA00005 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 11:40:39 +0100 (BST) Received: from chestnut.bae.co.uk (chestnut.bae.co.uk [141.245.40.220]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA29932 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 11:40:16 +0100 (BST) Received: by chestnut.bae.co.uk (5.61/sendmail) id AA16014; Fri, 7 Aug 98 11:40:06 +0100 Received: from nadnnb.net.bae.co.uk (141.245.41.144) by BAe-Internet2 via CSC. ID xai015986; Fri, 7 Aug 98 11:39:44 +0100 Received: from dslexxch1.spsxch (unverified [141.245.67.173]) by nadnnb.net.bae.co.uk (Integralis SMTPRS 2.04) with ESMTP id ; Fri, 07 Aug 1998 11:47:09 +0100 Received: by dslexxch1.spsxch with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 11:40:29 +0100 Message-Id: From: "Parker, William S" To: "'britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk'" Subject: Ultimate in the South in October Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 11:36:19 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk > Hi all, > > I was just wondering about a couple of things: > > a) Will there be a southern ultimate league this Autumn? Skunks would > definately be interested in playing, as it is an excellent way of > getting some regular practice in for freshers joining the club in > October. It is good to have competetive matches accesable to those who > cannot commit whole weekends to tournaments. Also, I wan't to prolong > the outdoor season and teach everyone that outdoor ultimate rules and > indoors is a mincers game (we always loose half the club on the > transition from indoors to outdoors). Maybe Locks would like to > organise it again, as he did a top job on the summer league. > > > b) If there isn't going to be a league, would a couple of teams like > to come down to Southampton so we could could play a Wenesday > afternoon round robin (perhaps two games) with our first and second > team? We could do this every three or four weeks if there is enough > interest. > > > Any ideas??? > > Will > capt Skunks From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Aug 7 12:56:45 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id MAA07638 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 12:43:05 +0100 (BST) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA07630 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 12:43:03 +0100 (BST) Received: from ([158.152.203.174]) [158.152.203.174] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0z4kvD-0005Wo-00; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 11:43:01 +0000 Subject: Re: 5 live Frisbee for Beginner Date: Fri, 7 Aug 98 12:45:14 +0100 x-sender: ultimatum@pop3.demon.co.uk x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: Paul Hurt To: "BritDisc" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Message-Id: Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk >Don't exactly know what it is all about, but a friend from work heard >that there would be a discussion on five live on Saturday afternoon, >titled Frisbee for Beginners. Just to let if you are interested to >listen out. > >Vanessa > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Actually, Radio 5 Live are interviewing Jon Hope and myself about Ultimate and the World Championships. Happens between 10.00 and 10.30 on Saturday morning. Tune in and hear me make a fool of myself (I'm sure Jon'll be great). Not aware that there's anything going out in the afternoon... BTW, I have a feeling they're going to ask me about playing for GB at Worlds. I couldn't quite get them to understand the difference between Masters and Open, and the fact that GBM are merging with Sweden and Finland. It seemed a bit too complicated for them to take in. So I may just say that I'm playing for GB and leave it at that. Just so you're forwarned that I will be telling a few white lies for the sake of simplicity... There has actually been a flurry of national media interest this week - Channel 5 sport, Bravo Television and "Euro-Champions" (a bit like Trans World Sport) all want to do a piece on Ultimate. Bad timing seeing as there's no prestige tournaments going on over here until Eastbourne. Hope we can keep their interest until then. Lastly, are there any Spanish-speaking Ultimate players over here anywhere? Might need you for one of these TV shows. See y'all soon Paul --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Hurt Editor, Ultimatum Magazine, London, England editor@ultimatum.demon.co.uk Visit Ultimatum Online... http://www.ultimatum.demon.co.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Aug 7 14:14:43 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id OAA16811 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 14:01:11 +0100 (BST) Received: from pathway.btX400.co.uk (pathway.btX400.co.uk [193.113.148.3]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA16785; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 14:01:01 +0100 (BST) X400-Originator: COLIN.WAGSTAFF@TRADEINDEMNITY.btX400.co.uk X400-Recipients: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk , britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk X400-MTS-Identifier: [/PRMD=BT-INTERNET/ADMD=BT/C=GB/;0000430002683432000002L322] X400-Content-Type: P2-1988 (22) Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 14:45:00 +0100 From: WAGSTAFF COLIN To: ", DDA.RFC-822:britdisc(a)csv.warwick.ac.uk, P:BT-INTERNET, A:BT" , ", DDA.RFC-822:britdisc-owner(a)csv.warwick.ac.uk, P:BT-INTERNET" Subject: "Not all journalists are bastards!" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Contrary to the belief of many after the infamous Time Out article the title of this em does not apply to all. Those were the words the journalist used this case. Here follows the report a journalist has written for my company magazine, following a telephone interview i did with an agency earlier this week. The article has yet to be published. The Ultimate Sporting Experience? Think of a Frisbee and one instantly has a vision of lazy summer afternoons in the park, whiling away a pleasant hour or two flicking a small, plastic like disc between friends while a dog leaps pointlessly through the air in a vain attempt to catch it in it's jaws. What you won't perhaps realise is that to some, the Frisbee is more than just a pssing craze to be used for a week or two and then put away in the cupboard and forgotten about like the Yo - Yo's and skateboards of an earlier time. To one member of EULER Trade Indemnity - Colin Wagsatff - the frisbee is not a toy, nor a fad, but the essential ingredient of a new sport beginning to take hold accross the country. A sport called, "Ultimate", and a sport for which Colin represents the country. Colin started playing Ultimate at university, and was soon hooked. The rules are easy to understand: 7 players on each team play on a pitch measuring 120 yds by 40 yds, which has at erach end an endzone 25 yards deep. The object is to score points by getting one of you players to catch the frisbee in the end zone, in exactly the same way as American Football. Each player has 10 seconds to release the disc once they are in possession, and cannot run or move with it once it is in hand. The winner is the first team to score 21 points, and each game will typically last between two and two and a half hours. What is unique about Ultimate, and why Colin is so obsessed, is the sportmanship and spirit in which the game is played, a spirit which he believes other sports fail to match. "Ultimate is the only sport we know where there is no referee. The game is self officiated, with 'fouls' being called by the players themselves. I know of no other sport which is played in such a spirit," he says. "It sets moral standards from which other spotrs could learn." Colin is used to the cynicim and sarcastic remarks which ordinarily greet him when he mentions his sporting interest, but he views the standard of fitness required to play Ultimate as again equal to, if not greater, than other sporting activities. Few can understand how Ultimate can possibly be regarded as a sport, but then those are the few who also fail to see why Beach Volley ball is now an Olympic event. What Colin says, is that people shouldn't judge Ultimate until they have seen it played, especially at the highest level. Then their opinions will change. How widespread Ultimate has become in this country is difficult to gauge. Unlike other countries like Sweden and Finland for example, Ultimate is not on the school Curriculum, nor is it likely to be in the foreseeable future. What Colin can tell us however, is that there are approximately 3000 players in the UK, and the week-end tournaments held throughout the summer are well attended, and are tremendous social occasions. "We have a National Body(The British Ultimate Federation) which regularly tries to promote the sport to the Sports Council, but funding and sponsorship is always a problem," Colin admits. Lack of sponsorship means that Colin and the other Great Britain team members will therefore be paying their own way for the World Championships being held in Minnesota later this year. "We need to keep raising the profile of the sport, and promoting its benefits to a wider audience," he adds. Anyone interested in learning more about Ultimate should contact the British Ultimate Federation, PO Box 1, Swan House, Leicester, LE9 5ZW, or look out on the website www.ultimateweb.co.uk/buf/. Well done for getting this far. The reason why i have posted this to BD is simply as it is one of the most accurate presentations of Ultimate i have ever read. Admitedly it is only for my bi-monthly company magazine which reaches around 2500 people accross three continents and 6 different countries. Still it is wrtten by a real journalist who also writes for many major newspapers and magazines on specialist subjects. What's more the telephone conversation i had with him lasted no more than ten minutes and he had never previously heard of Ultimate before let alone seen it played. What does everyone/anyone else think of it? Colin. UTI. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Aug 7 22:43:09 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id WAA03741 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 22:26:33 +0100 (BST) Received: from neodymium.btinternet.com (neodymium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.83]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA03731 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 22:26:31 +0100 (BST) Received: from txleckuj [195.171.238.100] by neodymium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 1.70 #1) id 0z4u0w-0003G2-00; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 22:25:30 +0100 From: "D Pocklington" To: Subject: Transport to the Worlds Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 22:29:27 +0100 Message-ID: <000101bdc24a$744e5120$64eeabc3@txleckuj> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Sorry to anyone not going next week but a lot of people seem to be wondering how to get from the airport to the accommodation. I appear to be one of the lucky ones who has actually managed to speak to the organisers, (a very nice lady called Holly) even though she didn't tell me anything terribly useful other than all the accommodation is pretty much in the same place. A nice lady at the hotel we have booked ourselves into on Thursday and Friday night said there is a shuttle service at the airport. Look for "Airport Express" signs and you can get a ride to where you wish to go, (for a small fee). Oh yeah, Holly did mention one thing that may be useful, apparently you have to go to the NSC to register and then back to the University to collect the keys for your room, (if that's where you are staying), it may be a cunning plan to go to the University FIRST, find someone you recognise who is already checked in and dump anything you don't need in their room, then all you have to do is get out to the NSC - sorry no tips about that one. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Aug 10 08:00:25 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id HAA23060 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 07:47:04 +0100 (BST) Received: from gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (ralf@gem [137.205.227.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA23053 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 07:47:02 +0100 (BST) Received: (from ralf@localhost) by gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA11719 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 07:47:01 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 07:47:01 +0100 (BST) From: Ranulf Doswell Message-Id: <199808100647.HAA11719@gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: BFDF Events Reminder Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk British Flying Disc Federation Disc Events Diary ------------------------------------------------ The events list can also be found at http://www.dcs.warwick.ac.uk/~ralf/bfdf/ ---------- Friday 14th August 1998 Worlds (10 days) [Outdoor Ultimate Abroad] Saturday 15th August 1998 Edinburgh Festival Hat Tourney (2 days) @ Edinburgh [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Emma Beatty Email emmab@chem.ed.ac.uk BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Essex University [Golf] Sunday 16th August 1998 DDC Tournament (1 day) CANCELLED [Outdoor DDC] Contact Mark Jefferson Email Mark.Jj@btinternet.com Saturday 22nd August 1998 Something Fun (2 days) @ Hitchin, Herts [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Saturday 29th August 1998 BDGA Golf - B tier tournament (2 days) @ Crook of Devon, 45min north of Edinburgh [Golf] Contact Liam Young Email liamyoung@bigfoot.com Phone 0131 2252670 Friday 11th September 1998 BUF Open (3 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 19th September 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Burnlaw, Horthumberland [Golf] Saturday 26th September 1998 Nationals 98 (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 10th October 1998 BDGA Doubles Matchplay Championships (2 days) @ Ashton Court, Bristol [Golf] Contact Bud Tilton Email raf.freire@bristol.ac.uk Phone (0117) 926 9855 Saturday 24th October 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Whitcombe, Dorset [Golf Handicap] Saturday 7th November 1998 BDGA Singles Matchplay (2 days) @ TBC [Golf] Contact Andy Lucey Email andy_lucey@cargill.com Phone 0181 767 6766 ---------------------------------------------------------- British Flying Disc Federation Disc Events Diary http://www.dcs.warwick.ac.uk/~ralf/bfdf/ Ranulf Doswell, ralf@dcs.warwick.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Aug 10 14:27:06 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id OAA02908 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 14:05:34 +0100 (BST) Received: from shrimp.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (ralf@shrimp [137.205.227.130]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA02896 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 14:05:32 +0100 (BST) Received: (from ralf@localhost) by shrimp.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA23182 for britdisc@csv; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 14:05:31 +0100 (BST) From: Ralf Message-Id: <199808101305.OAA23182@shrimp.dcs.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Hitchin (fwd from Chris Hughes) To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 14:05:31 +0100 (BST) X-Quote: Productivity is in the eye of the beholder. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL35 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk As some of you clearly don't know, BritDisc has a 40K limit on e-mails. This stopped the following getting through, and in this case I've decided to cut out the attachment, as it is 1.2Mb, which will cost people with modems a lot of money. Other people - please don't send large files to britdisc. This like this are best put on a website somewhere, and giving people pointers to them. So, if you want the original, I suggest you mail Chris directly asking for it. Ralf. ----- Forwarded message from owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk ----- >From postmaster@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Aug 10 12:18:45 1998 Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 12:18:34 +0100 (BST) From: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Message-Id: <199808101118.MAA20131@pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk> To: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Subject: BOUNCE britdisc@warwick.ac.uk: Message too long (>40000 chars) >From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Aug 10 12:18:31 1998 Received: from exchpk02.chelt.ac.uk (exchpk02.chelt.ac.uk [194.66.194.6]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA20105 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 12:18:23 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199808101118.MAA20105@pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Received: by exchpk02.chelt.ac.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 12:18:30 +0100 From: "HUGHES, Chris" To: "'Britdisc'" Subject: Hitchin Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 12:15:54 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BDC450.9A494810" This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------ =_NextPart_000_01BDC450.9A494810 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hello all you Ultimate people who are unlucky / lucky* enough not to be going to worlds (* delete as you feel appropriate). A brief word about the Hitchin tournament, I have had a lot of interest from various teams / players, but very few entries. If I cannot get any more entries, or confirmed, definite, 'yes I will get a team there' type message, by this time next week I am unfortunately going to have to cancel. I have entries from; Mad Kows Strange Blue Red Mud Culture Goldfish I have had interest from; Night Fever Slipdisc Fingers 6 / Chevron Combo BAF Sneeekys Lurkers A Pete Harvey "Tart Team" Village People A "Sammy Neilson" team I am hoping for interest from; Headrush The remenants of teams who are sending players to worlds; eg UTI and Catch 22. The tournament should be fun, relaxing and will still make the top temas work for their win, whilst giving all the teams a chance to win. Go on - take a chance! Here is the invitation, either print it out or mail me; The dates are Aug 22 / 23rd - contrary to what it says in the invite below. Cheers, Chris <> ------ =_NextPart_000_01BDC450.9A494810 Content-Type: application/msword; name="Hitchin Handicap Invite.doc" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Hitchin Handicap Invite.doc" 0M8R4KGxGuEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAPgADAP7/CQAGAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAOAAAA5QYAAAAAAAAA ... AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA ------ =_NextPart_000_01BDC450.9A494810-- ----- End of forwarded message from owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk ----- ____ ____ _ _ ____ .----------------------------------------. _\__ \ _\__ \ / \ / \\__/ | Ranulf Doswell | / \_/ /_ / \_/ \ / / / /___ | Department of Computer Science | \ __ \\ __ \\ \ _\ \\_/ |University of Warwick, COVENTRY, CV4 7AL| \ \ \ \\ \ \ \\ \__/ \\ \ | Phone: 01203 523296 Fax: 01203 525714 | \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \______/ \_/ `----------------------------------------' From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Aug 10 15:59:58 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id PAA14434 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 15:32:19 +0100 (BST) Received: from exchpk02.chelt.ac.uk (exchpk02.chelt.ac.uk [194.66.194.6]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA14424 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 15:32:17 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199808101432.PAA14424@pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Received: by exchpk02.chelt.ac.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 15:32:30 +0100 From: "HUGHES, Chris" To: "'Ralf'" , britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: RE: Hitchin (fwd from Chris Hughes) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 15:30:20 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk My apologies to all - I forgot that the file I sent had a fancy background to it, and didn't realise until I watched it take so long to head down the line. Thank you Ralf for intercepting that and saving me a lot of grief from the general public. Chris -----Original Message----- From: Ralf [SMTP:ralf@dcs.warwick.ac.uk] Sent: 10 August 1998 14:06 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Hitchin (fwd from Chris Hughes) As some of you clearly don't know, BritDisc has a 40K limit on e-mails. This stopped the following getting through, and in this case I've decided to cut out the attachment, as it is 1.2Mb, which will cost people with modems a lot of money. Other people - please don't send large files to britdisc. This like this are best put on a website somewhere, and giving people pointers to them. So, if you want the original, I suggest you mail Chris directly asking for it. Ralf. ----- Forwarded message from owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk ----- From postmaster@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Aug 10 12:18:45 1998 Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 12:18:34 +0100 (BST) From: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Message-Id: <199808101118.MAA20131@pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk> To: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Subject: BOUNCE britdisc@warwick.ac.uk: Message too long (>40000 chars) >From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Aug 10 12:18:31 1998 Received: from exchpk02.chelt.ac.uk (exchpk02.chelt.ac.uk [194.66.194.6]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA20105 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 12:18:23 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199808101118.MAA20105@pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Received: by exchpk02.chelt.ac.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 12:18:30 +0100 From: "HUGHES, Chris" To: "'Britdisc'" Subject: Hitchin Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 12:15:54 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BDC450.9A494810" This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------ =_NextPart_000_01BDC450.9A494810 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hello all you Ultimate people who are unlucky / lucky* enough not to be going to worlds (* delete as you feel appropriate). A brief word about the Hitchin tournament, I have had a lot of interest from various teams / players, but very few entries. If I cannot get any more entries, or confirmed, definite, 'yes I will get a team there' type message, by this time next week I am unfortunately going to have to cancel. I have entries from; Mad Kows Strange Blue Red Mud Culture Goldfish I have had interest from; Night Fever Slipdisc Fingers 6 / Chevron Combo BAF Sneeekys Lurkers A Pete Harvey "Tart Team" Village People A "Sammy Neilson" team I am hoping for interest from; Headrush The remenants of teams who are sending players to worlds; eg UTI and Catch 22. The tournament should be fun, relaxing and will still make the top temas work for their win, whilst giving all the teams a chance to win. Go on - take a chance! Here is the invitation, either print it out or mail me; The dates are Aug 22 / 23rd - contrary to what it says in the invite below. Cheers, Chris <> ------ =_NextPart_000_01BDC450.9A494810 Content-Type: application/msword; name="Hitchin Handicap Invite.doc" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Hitchin Handicap Invite.doc" 0M8R4KGxGuEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAPgADAP7/CQAGAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAOAAAA5QYAAAAA AAAA ... AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA ------ =_NextPart_000_01BDC450.9A494810-- ----- End of forwarded message from owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk ----- ____ ____ _ _ ____ .----------------------------------------. _\__ \ _\__ \ / \ / \\__/ | Ranulf Doswell | / \_/ /_ / \_/ \ / / / /___ | Department of Computer Science | \ __ \\ __ \\ \ _\ \\_/ |University of Warwick, COVENTRY, CV4 7AL| \ \ \ \\ \ \ \\ \__/ \\ \ | Phone: 01203 523296 Fax: 01203 525714 | \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \______/ \_/ `----------------------------------------' From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Aug 11 11:56:09 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id LAA09724 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 11:34:32 +0100 (BST) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA09702 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 11:34:29 +0100 (BST) Received: from (otto.crispgroup.co.uk) [193.237.6.65] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0z6Bl5-00037T-00; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 10:34:29 +0000 Received: from [129.1.1.241] by otto.crispgroup.co.uk (NTMail 3.03.0017/1.aia2) with ESMTP id oa010830 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 11:31:41 +0100 Received: from [129.1.12.90] by homer.crispgroup.co.uk (NTMail 3.03.0012/1.aia2) with ESMTP id ma022216 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 11:30:25 +0100 Received: by raviben810.crispgroup.co.uk with Microsoft Mail id <01BDC51C.749F6040@raviben810.crispgroup.co.uk>; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 11:37:44 +0100 Message-ID: <01BDC51C.749F6040@raviben810.crispgroup.co.uk> From: Ben Ravilious To: "'Britdisc'" Subject: Calling Wayne Davey... Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 11:37:38 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Info: Crisp Computing Mail Server Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Wayne, If you're out there can you get in contact as we have an ex Red player for you who is living in Bath now and wants a team to play for. Ta. Ben From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Aug 11 13:59:40 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id NAA26861 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 13:46:02 +0100 (BST) Received: from ikbrunel.brunel.co.uk (root@ikbrunel.brunel.co.uk [194.72.232.2]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA26856 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 13:46:01 +0100 (BST) Received: from 3445 (polrp@wrekin1.brunel.co.uk [194.72.232.177]) by ikbrunel.brunel.co.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with SMTP id NAA25848 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 13:47:40 +0100 Message-ID: <002101bdc526$ca2a97a0$83010e80@3445> From: "Rich Parkes" To: "brit disc" Subject: Lost Bomb Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 13:51:41 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi everyone Lost at Ross: Orange screaming bomb shaped projectile. Provides endless hours of entertainment for Chevron (and other teams) on hot summer days like this, and humour through unexpected landings on a certain Mr Neilson's head during in-game discussions. Sadly this item has gone missing. Did anybody pick it up and not throw it at someone else? Rich Chevron From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Aug 11 15:52:34 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id PAA11150 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 15:36:03 +0100 (BST) Received: from papaya.mail.easynet.net (papaya.mail.easynet.net [195.40.1.40]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA11144 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 15:36:01 +0100 (BST) Received: (qmail 20216 invoked from network); 11 Aug 1998 14:36:00 -0000 Received: from larry.texcel.co.uk (HELO texcel.co.uk) (195.40.103.11) by papaya.mail.easynet.net with SMTP; 11 Aug 1998 14:36:00 -0000 Received: from dreamer.demon.co.uk by texcel.co.uk (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id PAA03738; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 15:31:30 +0100 Message-ID: <35D055C2.D5D0FD52@dreamer.demon.co.uk> Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 15:31:30 +0100 From: Neil Travers Organization: Home(ish) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.5 sun4d) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: BritDisc Subject: LUS this week and next. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk This thursday Paul and I won't be able to make it to LUS. We will be getting ready to go to Minneapolis (packing, travelling across London and in Paul's case, probably still working). So if someone can remember to take some cones along, otherwise you'll just have to use discs, shoes etc. The same goes for next week while we're still away. If anyone wants to pick up Paul's cones for the next 2 weeks, email him and arrange to collect them (he lives in Tooting). Have fun, see you in a couple of weeks. -- Neil Travers - home London Ultimate Session From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Aug 11 16:16:50 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id QAA15228 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 16:02:33 +0100 (BST) Received: from newsgate.dircon.co.uk (uugate1.dircon.co.uk [194.112.50.20]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA15217 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 16:02:31 +0100 (BST) Received: from dmotive.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by newsgate.dircon.co.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with UUCP id QAA07602 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 16:02:30 +0100 (BST) Date: 11 Aug 98 15:28:45 +0100 From: Oz Freire Subject: RE>Lost Bomb To: brit disc , Rich Parkes Message-ID: <980811.152845@designmotive.co.uk> X-Mailer: InterCall 1.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id QAA15219 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk RE>Lost Bomb 11/8/98 I am so Glad!!!! Oz -------------------------------------- Date: 11/8/98 3:16 pm To: Oz Freire From: Rich Parkes Hi everyone Lost at Ross: Orange screaming bomb shaped projectile. Provides endless hours of entertainment for Chevron (and other teams) on hot summer days like this, and humour through unexpected landings on a certain Mr Neilson's head during in-game discussions. Sadly this item has gone missing. Did anybody pick it up and not throw it at someone else? Rich Chevron RFC-822 Header: ---------------------------------------------------- Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (daemon@pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk [137.205.192.19]) by newsgate.dircon.co.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA20776; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 13:55:34 +0100 (BST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id NAA26861 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 13:46:02 +0100 (BST) Received: from ikbrunel.brunel.co.uk (root@ikbrunel.brunel.co.uk [194.72.232.2]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA26856 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 13:46:01 +0100 (BST) Received: from 3445 (polrp@wrekin1.brunel.co.uk [194.72.232.177]) by ikbrunel.brunel.co.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with SMTP id NAA25848 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 13:47:40 +0100 Message-ID: <002101bdc526$ca2a97a0$83010e80@3445> From: "Rich Parkes" To: "brit disc" Subject: Lost Bomb Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 13:51:41 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Aug 12 14:59:42 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id OAA01694 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 14:40:04 +0100 (BST) Received: from epunix.biols.susx.ac.uk (root@epunix.biols.susx.ac.uk [139.184.162.2]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA01682 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 14:40:02 +0100 (BST) Received: from localhost (2533 bytes) by epunix.biols.susx.ac.uk via sendmail with P:stdio/R:acukbind/T:smtp (sender: ) (ident using unix) id for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 14:39:57 +0100 ( BST) (Smail-3.2.0.101 1997-Dec-17 #10 built 1998-Feb-1) Message-Id: From: kevinbr@biols.susx.ac.uk (Kevin Brooks) Subject: Re: Ultimate in the South in October To: william.parker@baedsl.co.uk (Parker, William S) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 14:39:56 +0100 ( BST) Cc: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk In-Reply-To: from "Parker, William S" at Aug 7, 98 11:36:19 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL20] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Will et al., We certainly always intended for there to be a SE student league this autumn. The plan was that since I should now be writing up the league would be taken over by K-niggets' Colin "sick-boy" Smith. I'm assuming that he's still up for it. You out there Colin? Perhaps this would be a good time to try to gather together information about the various other student leagues happenning around the country, and encourage some kind of uniformity. Is the same league as last year going to happen in Scotland? What about the North? Midlands? SW? It would be good if we could offer student teams all over the country the opportunity to play competitive games on a regular basis. I seem to remember 'Beardy' Chris Hughes (not to be confused with Neanderthal Chris Hughes) was trying to liase with some of us league-sters recently. Do we have a current Students Co-ordinator at the moment to do this? If not, then who's going to step forward? Locks. > > > Hi all, > > > > I was just wondering about a couple of things: > > > > a) Will there be a southern ultimate league this Autumn? Skunks would > > definately be interested in playing, as it is an excellent way of > > getting some regular practice in for freshers joining the club in > > October. It is good to have competetive matches accesable to those who > > cannot commit whole weekends to tournaments. Also, I wan't to prolong > > the outdoor season and teach everyone that outdoor ultimate rules and > > indoors is a mincers game (we always loose half the club on the > > transition from indoors to outdoors). Maybe Locks would like to > > organise it again, as he did a top job on the summer league. > > > > > > b) If there isn't going to be a league, would a couple of teams like > > to come down to Southampton so we could could play a Wenesday > > afternoon round robin (perhaps two games) with our first and second > > team? We could do this every three or four weeks if there is enough > > interest. > > > > > > Any ideas??? > > > > Will > > capt Skunks > From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Aug 12 16:03:04 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id PAA10246 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 15:43:06 +0100 (BST) Received: from pp2.shef.ac.uk (pp2.shef.ac.uk [143.167.1.32]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA10240 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 15:43:05 +0100 (BST) Received: from broomhead.shef.ac.uk [143.167.127.254] by pp2.shef.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.73 #1) id 0z6c7E-0002a4-00; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 15:43:04 +0100 Received: from BROOMHEAD/SpoolDir by broomhead.shef.ac.uk (Mercury 1.40); 12 Aug 98 15:43:04 +0100 Received: from SpoolDir by BROOMHEAD (Mercury 1.40); 12 Aug 98 15:42:57 +0100 From: "P.J.Coy" To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 15:42:53 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: contacting Jedi Children X-mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.31 Message-ID: Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Is there any Jedi Children out there reading Britdisc? If so please contact 'Bisto' (Mwnci See) regarding a joint team for Eastbourne. He can be reached on (01788) 578970 I cant remeber the name of the particular jedi child in question but if this sounds like something youve done or something someone you know might have done, please get in contact. There are also a number of Phat Eds who would like to get a piece of this Jedi Mwnci-combo action, 'Bisto' should be able to fill you in, but if not then you can e-mail me, Pete, see the header thing. Thank you for your time, Pete, Phat Eds. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Aug 12 16:05:57 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id QAA13371 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 16:02:25 +0100 (BST) Received: from mps2.leeds.ac.uk (mps2.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.16.22]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA13347 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 16:02:21 +0100 (BST) Received: from south-02.novell.leeds.ac.uk (south-02.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.76.2]) by mps2.leeds.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA08380; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 16:02:09 +0100 (BST) Received: from LUCS-H12/SpoolDir by south-02.novell.leeds.ac.uk (Mercury 1.31); 12 Aug 98 16:03:04 GMT0BST Received: from SpoolDir by LUCS-H12 (Mercury 1.40); 12 Aug 98 16:02:36 GMT0BST From: "Anthony ( Dr. P ) Proctor." Organization: University of Leeds To: kevinbr@biols.susx.ac.uk (Kevin Brooks) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 16:02:07 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Northern Student League. CC: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk In-reply-to: References: from "Parker, William S" at Aug 7, 98 11:36:19 am X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.54) Message-ID: <7C6C4101EE@south-02.novell.leeds.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi there Northern Student league ??? Well I was thinking about organising games for Jedi with teams in the North : Manchester, Bradford, Sheffeild, Hull, York, Durham and Loughborough. The problem with Jedi last I heard is that we will have a problem with the Uni funding us this coming year as we got so much out of them last year. I do not know if this is going to be the case or not but us traveling for away games could be a problem. However Jedi have got a permenant pitch at Weetwood and could play other teams on a Wednesday or Sunday ( possibly Saturday as well ). We are quite prepared to act as hosts for a Northern Student League if other teams don't mind traveling. We could have miny round robin tourney's with two - three teams coming each week and maybe even some weekend events in the summer. Anyway if anyone from these teams is out there now let me know what you think. I am quite prepared to help organise a Northern League and I talked about it at the end of last year with Chris " Beardy " Hughes from Purple Haze. Also Locks, if you could pass on some tips of good and bad points of the league you arranged I would much appreciate it. Student Co - ordinator ? Is it still Si Weeks or has he given up ?? If so who is prepared to be Student Co - ordinator. I am willing to help in some way seeing as Leeds are hosting the Student Indoor Finals, maybe Northern Co - ordinator or something, but I'm not sure if I'll have time for much more. If anyone else more suitable, i.e. run more tourney's is out there let us know. Remember the sooner people reply the quicker we can get a northern league sorted out, and improve student Ultimate as a whole. While I'm here can anyone lend Jedi any Ultimate video's, posters etc for our freshers fair ? Dr. P. ( Jedi ). Anthony Proctor. BSc. Human biology / Physiology. Flat 3. 1 Kingston Terrace. Leeds. LS2 9BW. Tel; ( 0113 ) 246 9312. E - mail; phs6amp@leeds.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Aug 12 16:29:45 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id QAA15350 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 16:14:27 +0100 (BST) Received: from charon.cargill.com (charon.cargill.com [167.136.225.225]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA15342 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 16:14:25 +0100 (BST) From: Clifford_Bottomley@cargill.com Received: from hermes.cargill.com (hermes.cargill.com [167.136.226.140]) by charon.cargill.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA22120 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:13:48 -0500 (CDT) Received: from cobo.cgo.cargill.com (cobo.cgo.cargill.com [172.31.1.51]) by hermes.cargill.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA18175 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:13:46 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by cobo.cgo.cargill.com (AIX4.2/UCB 8.7/8.7) with SMTP id QAA142044 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 16:13:45 +0100 (BST) X-OpenMail-Hops: 1 Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 16:13:29 +0100 Message-Id: Subject: Keys at Ross MIME-Version: 1.0 TO: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; name="cc:Mail" Content-Disposition: inline; filename="cc:Mail" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk I lost a set of keys at Ross, where they handed in? any info welcome. cliff From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Aug 12 17:23:05 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id RAA23622 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 17:10:20 +0100 (BST) Received: from kestrel.mcg.gla.ac.uk (kestrel.mcg.gla.ac.uk [130.209.192.8]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA23613 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 17:10:18 +0100 (BST) Received: from mcg1.mcg.gla.ac.uk (mcg1.mcg.gla.ac.uk [130.209.192.26]) by kestrel.mcg.gla.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA11631 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 17:08:25 +0100 (BST) Received: from MCG1/SpoolDir by mcg1.mcg.gla.ac.uk (Mercury 1.40); 12 Aug 98 17:10:17 +1100 Received: from SpoolDir by MCG1 (Mercury 1.40); 12 Aug 98 17:10:12 +1100 From: "David Grayson" Organization: Multimedia Communications Group To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 17:10:09 gmt+1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Scottish Student League X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.40) Message-ID: <377735D55A2@mcg1.mcg.gla.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk As far as I know we are definately having a Scottish Student league this year but discussions are continuing as to the exact format for the league. The only advice I would give to regions on the basis of last years experience in Scotland is to make sure all clubs agree the schedule and aims of the league beforehand. By this I mean that with just a few teams it works better if everyone is using it either to develop newer players or to develop A teams. There were a few matches last year which did little for the teams or players involved. Anyone wanting to know more feel free to contact me - although I am not actually organising the league. Dave. Mud Culture/Far Flung From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Aug 12 17:48:45 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id RAA27395 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 17:35:29 +0100 (BST) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA27384 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 17:35:27 +0100 (BST) Received: from (otto.crispgroup.co.uk) [193.237.6.65] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0z6drx-0007Zv-00; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 16:35:26 +0000 Received: from [129.1.1.241] by otto.crispgroup.co.uk (NTMail 3.03.0017/1.aia2) with ESMTP id ba011181 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 17:31:49 +0100 Received: from [129.1.12.90] by homer.crispgroup.co.uk (NTMail 3.03.0012/1.aia2) with ESMTP id ya022566 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 17:31:27 +0100 Received: by raviben810.crispgroup.co.uk with Microsoft Mail id <01BDC618.0DBF5680@raviben810.crispgroup.co.uk>; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 17:38:44 +0100 Message-ID: <01BDC618.0DBF5680@raviben810.crispgroup.co.uk> From: Ben Ravilious To: "britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk" Subject: Re: Leagues Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 17:38:43 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Info: Crisp Computing Mail Server Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id RAA27385 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk -----Original Message----- From: David Grayson [SMTP:david@mcg.gla.ac.uk] Sent: 12 August 1998 18:10 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Scottish Student League The only advice I would give to regions on the basis of last years experience in Scotland is to make sure all clubs agree the schedule and aims of the league beforehand. By this I mean that with just a few teams it works better if everyone is using it either to develop newer players or to develop A teams. There were a few matches last year which did little for the teams or players involved. [Ravilious, Ben] This is a very important point as we have found with our league in Leicester. The general level of play was much higher than I had expected. We lost (only temporarily I hope) some of the real newbies who felt completely out of their depth. I think I nipped it in the bud (peace be upon him ;-) by separating experienced and non-experienced players in subsequent games. Experienced people can become complete bastards once they get that adrenalin rush! Try telling them to make sure the beginners are being used - Huh! We have generally found that streaming by experience/ability/talent/whatever is the best way to give every one a chance. However this doesn't make running a league easy and relies on consistant good turnouts. Doh. Good luck to whoever runs a league this summer. It's worth the effort. We (Red) now have a freshers-fair worth of new faces who I hope to entice to some of our sessions in the future. One guy looks like he might make Red 1 within a year. byee Ben Anyone wanting to know more feel free to contact me - although I am not actually organising the league. Dave. Mud Culture/Far Flung From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Aug 13 09:17:53 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id JAA25421 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 09:05:30 +0100 (BST) Received: from [137.205.222.1] (mac-wie-31 [137.205.222.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA25414 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 09:05:27 +0100 (BST) X-Sender: serai@mail.csv.warwick.ac.uk Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 09:07:41 +0100 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: Dave Neilson Subject: Need help contacting Kevin Lowe Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk My attempts to send e-mail to Kevin Lowe at the following address: kev@curved-logic.com keep bouncing back - it used to work ;-( Does anyone have more up-to-date details? Cheers, Sam. E: D.P.Neilson@warwick.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Aug 13 12:57:47 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id MAA22262 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 12:44:15 +0100 (BST) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA22256 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 12:44:13 +0100 (BST) Received: from (otto.crispgroup.co.uk) [193.237.6.65] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0z6vne-0003ih-00; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 11:44:11 +0000 Received: from [129.1.1.241] by otto.crispgroup.co.uk (NTMail 3.03.0017/1.aia2) with ESMTP id wa011280 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 12:40:38 +0100 Received: from [129.1.12.90] by homer.crispgroup.co.uk (NTMail 3.03.0012/1.aia2) with ESMTP id ta022665 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 12:40:00 +0100 Received: by raviben810.crispgroup.co.uk with Microsoft Mail id <01BDC6B8.8686B860@raviben810.crispgroup.co.uk>; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 12:47:26 +0100 Message-ID: <01BDC6B8.8686B860@raviben810.crispgroup.co.uk> From: Ben Ravilious To: "'Britdisc'" Subject: I Spy Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 12:47:21 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Info: Crisp Computing Mail Server Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Passing through Quinton (Birmingham) on the way to work I spotted a pub advertising the following gig:- A Tribute To THE RED HOT CHILLI PEPPERS with THE FUNKY MONKS Have our Hip-hop loving chums eschewed the drum machine in a post-Ross change of scene? I think we should be told. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Aug 13 13:42:57 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id NAA27100 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 13:27:42 +0100 (BST) Received: from pp2.shef.ac.uk (pp2.shef.ac.uk [143.167.1.32]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA27084 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 13:27:39 +0100 (BST) Received: from broomhead.shef.ac.uk [143.167.127.254] by pp2.shef.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.73 #1) id 0z6wTi-0001yq-00; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 13:27:38 +0100 Received: from BROOMHEAD/SpoolDir by broomhead.shef.ac.uk (Mercury 1.40); 13 Aug 98 13:27:38 +0100 Received: from SpoolDir by BROOMHEAD (Mercury 1.40); 13 Aug 98 13:27:33 +0100 From: "P.J.Coy" To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 13:27:31 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: calling Karl X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Karl (the Phat ed) I know you are out there, I've seen you post a few messages, can you please contact me if you would like to play some frisbee in early Sept time. Specifically Eastbourne. Are you in contact with Amy or anyone else who might be interested? pete, you can reach me at the address in the header or at Ultimate@sheffield.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Aug 14 14:55:32 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id OAA29550 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 14:38:10 +0100 (BST) Received: from exchpk02.chelt.ac.uk (exchpk02.chelt.ac.uk [194.66.194.6]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA29534 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 14:38:04 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199808141338.OAA29534@pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Received: by exchpk02.chelt.ac.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 14:38:15 +0100 From: "HUGHES, Chris" To: "'Britdisc'" Subject: Hitchin Tourney Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 14:36:06 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Just to confirm to all those who have enquired and entered; that the Hitchin tourney next weekend will be going ahead. If any team wants to enter at this stage the y can either email me or phone me on 01242 543299(w) 01452 859210(h) to confirm their teams entry. Those of you that have already entered, expect maps and details through the post in the next couple of days. Cheers, Chris From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Aug 17 08:13:45 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id HAA26658 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 07:47:05 +0100 (BST) Received: from gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (ralf@gem [137.205.227.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA26653 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 07:47:03 +0100 (BST) Received: (from ralf@localhost) by gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA29161 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 07:47:02 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 07:47:02 +0100 (BST) From: Ranulf Doswell Message-Id: <199808170647.HAA29161@gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: BFDF Events Reminder Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk British Flying Disc Federation Disc Events Diary ------------------------------------------------ The events list can also be found at http://www.dcs.warwick.ac.uk/~ralf/bfdf/ ---------- Saturday 22nd August 1998 Something Fun (2 days) @ Hitchin, Herts [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Saturday 29th August 1998 BDGA Golf - B tier tournament (2 days) @ Crook of Devon, 45min north of Edinburgh [Golf] Contact Liam Young Email liamyoung@bigfoot.com Phone 0131 2252670 Friday 11th September 1998 BUF Open (3 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 19th September 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Burnlaw, Horthumberland [Golf] Saturday 26th September 1998 Nationals 98 (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 10th October 1998 BDGA Doubles Matchplay Championships (2 days) @ Ashton Court, Bristol [Golf] Contact Bud Tilton Email raf.freire@bristol.ac.uk Phone (0117) 926 9855 Saturday 24th October 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Whitcombe, Dorset [Golf Handicap] Saturday 7th November 1998 BDGA Singles Matchplay (2 days) @ TBC [Golf] Contact Andy Lucey Email andy_lucey@cargill.com Phone 0181 767 6766 ---------------------------------------------------------- British Flying Disc Federation Disc Events Diary http://www.dcs.warwick.ac.uk/~ralf/bfdf/ Ranulf Doswell, ralf@dcs.warwick.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Aug 17 08:52:17 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id IAA28908 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 08:31:42 +0100 (BST) Received: from clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@clover-fddi [137.205.4.2]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA28900 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 08:31:41 +0100 (BST) Received: from gw-nl1.philips.com (gw-nl1.philips.com [192.68.44.33]) by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA23456 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 08:31:37 +0100 (BST) Received: from smtprelay-nl1.philips.com (localhost.philips.com [127.0.0.1]) by gw-nl1.philips.com with ESMTP id JAA18118 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 09:30:10 +0200 (MEST) (envelope-from andy.kayley@soton.sc.philips.com) Received: from mailgate.soton.sc.philips.com (mailgate.soton.sc.philips.com [130.141.89.1]) by smtprelay-nl1.philips.com (8.8.5/8.6.10-1.2.2m-970826) with ESMTP id JAA24527 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 09:30:08 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from taipan.soton.sc.philips.com ([130.141.7.158]) by mailgate.soton.sc.philips.com (8.6.10/8.6.10-1.001a-24Jul96) with ESMTP id IAA09493 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 08:33:35 +0100 Received: from taipan (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by taipan.soton.sc.philips.com (8.6.10/8.6.10-1.001a-24Jul96) with SMTP id IAA23026 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 08:30:41 +0100 Message-ID: <35D7DC21.67B1@soton.sc.philips.com> Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 08:30:41 +0100 From: Andy Kayley Organization: Philips Semiconductors Ltd. (Southampton) X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (X11; I; HP-UX B.10.20 9000/889) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Worlds Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Loads of people have mentioned a web site with the current scores etc from worlds. Does anyone actually know the address??? Cheers, Andy -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Andy Kayley, Design Technology Centre, Tel: +44 (0)1703 316410 Philips Semiconductors, Fax: +44 (0)1703 316303 Southampton, SO15 0DJ, UK. email: andy.kayley@soton.sc.philips.com seri : kayley@ukpsshp1 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Aug 17 10:45:42 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id KAA12448 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 10:27:48 +0100 (BST) Received: from cav.logica.co.uk (cav.logica.co.uk [158.234.10.66]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA12429 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 10:27:37 +0100 (BST) Received: from berry.logica.co.uk (berry.logica.co.uk [158.234.10.42]) by cav.logica.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA21113 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 10:27:36 +0100 Received: by berry.logica.co.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 10:27:35 +0100 Message-ID: <4FBF540FF16FD1119D9600A0C94B2B51C1D199@napier.logica.co.uk> From: "Fane, Suzanne" To: "'Britdisc'" Subject: Transport to Hitchin from London Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 10:27:21 +0100 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hello Is anyone from London driving to Hitchin on Friday night/Saturday morning this weekend for the tournament who could give me a lift and share petrol costs? Thanks Suzy Fane Tel 0181 767 8243 Mobile 0958 993 753 email: fanes@logica.com From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Aug 17 20:57:40 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id UAA24596 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 20:41:46 +0100 (BST) Received: from smtp.algonet.se (tomei.algonet.se [194.213.74.114]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA24588 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 20:41:45 +0100 (BST) Received: (qmail 6826 invoked from network); 17 Aug 1998 21:41:42 +0200 Received: from du17-92.ppp.algonet.se (HELO algonet.se) (195.100.92.17) by tomei.algonet.se with SMTP; 17 Aug 1998 21:41:42 +0200 Message-ID: <35D887E6.CEF7B755@algonet.se> Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 21:43:34 +0200 From: Jennifer Nilson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andy Kayley CC: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Re: Worlds References: <35D7DC21.67B1@soton.sc.philips.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Andy and all others who haven't found it yet.... Game scores, photos etc...from worlds - it's all there. At : www.nscsports.com jen From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Aug 18 04:09:40 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id DAA20261 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 03:52:23 +0100 (BST) Received: from hotmail.com (f76.hotmail.com [207.82.250.182]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id DAA20256 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 03:52:20 +0100 (BST) Received: (qmail 8076 invoked by uid 0); 18 Aug 1998 02:51:48 -0000 Message-ID: <19980818025148.8075.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 153.34.38.74 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 19:51:47 PDT X-Originating-IP: [153.34.38.74] From: "Paul Schuricht" To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Worlds98-update Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 19:51:47 PDT Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi everyone, just a quick update after day 2 of worlds. GB Open played USA (DoG from Boston) this morning, with the idea of having fun. The relaxed play and huge celebrations from GB put them 6-4 up, and forced USA to take a time-out after a huge grab off a mac in the zone by Si Weeks. The time out didn't seem to help as Boston lost the first half 10-7 (games to 19). DoG's Defence coordinator commented to Steve Mooney, their capt, that none of their numerous junk D's seemed to stop the fluid GB Offence. However, Boston stepped up their D in the 2nd half, taking 5 in a row after half. and the game finished 19-11 to USA. GB Women played close games against both Sweden and Finland, with the lead trading places many times during the games. GB lost both games by 2 points, although due to the format of round robin pool play then 1/4's and the dramatic improvment of the GB team during the first 2 days both finland and sweden will not be looking forward to a rematch. Juniors thrashed Germany yesterday, but have lost to USA, Sweden and Canada. Thats all for now, check the tourney web page for more results, unless it is as badly organised as the transportation here, in which case we will be home to tell you before you find out on the web. Sonic & Si W ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Aug 18 12:41:15 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id MAA25443 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 12:25:57 +0100 (BST) Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA25437 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 12:25:56 +0100 (BST) Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA09569 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 12:25:55 +0100 (BST) Received: from uks447.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 18 Aug 1998 11:25:55 UT Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id MAA27477; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 12:25:52 +0100 Message-Id: <199808181125.MAA27477@uks447> Date: 18 Aug 98 12:20:44 +0100 From: "RCOLE.UK.ORACLE.COM" To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Lift to Hitchin MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Is there anyone out there going to Hitchin this weekend who will be travelling through Reading or Bracknell, and who wants to split the petrol cost, and maybe gain a bed for one or two nights (a proper bed in a house, none of this camping nonsense)? If you do, could you please email me (rcole@uk.oracle.com) or phone on 0118 9244873 (Work) or 096 170759 (mobile) and let me know. Cheers on advance Rob Cole, Of the old Bristol Bumrush boys From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Aug 19 08:38:30 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id IAA28685 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 08:20:17 +0100 (BST) Received: from gw-nl1.philips.com (gw-nl1.philips.com [192.68.44.33]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA28665 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 08:20:06 +0100 (BST) Received: from smtprelay-nl1.philips.com (localhost.philips.com [127.0.0.1]) by gw-nl1.philips.com with ESMTP id JAA20720 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 09:20:04 +0200 (MEST) (envelope-from andy.kayley@soton.sc.philips.com) Received: from mailgate.soton.sc.philips.com (mailgate.soton.sc.philips.com [130.141.89.1]) by smtprelay-nl1.philips.com (8.8.5/8.6.10-1.2.2m-970826) with ESMTP id JAA01298 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 09:19:58 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from krate.soton.sc.philips.com ([130.141.7.10]) by mailgate.soton.sc.philips.com (8.6.10/8.6.10-1.001a-24Jul96) with ESMTP id IAA07374 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 08:23:24 +0100 Received: from krate (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by krate.soton.sc.philips.com (8.6.10/8.6.10-1.001a-24Jul96) with SMTP id IAA25620 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 08:20:23 +0100 Message-ID: <35DA7CB6.3520@soton.sc.philips.com> Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 08:20:22 +0100 From: Andy Kayley Organization: Philips Semiconductors Ltd. (Southampton) X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (X11; I; HP-UX B.10.20 9000/829) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: BritDisc Subject: Worlds - The latest Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk For those who are interested and don't have web access. GB Open original seeding - 8th GB Women original seeding - 7th GB Juniors original seeding - 4th Sunday ------ The Open team played: Canada 19 - 6 GB Finland 19 - 12 GB The Womens team played: Sweden 17 - 15 GB Japan 17 - 7 GB The Juniors team played: GB 17 - 4 Germany Sweden 17 - 5 GB Monday ------ The Open team played: Japan 19 - 12 GB USA 19 - 11 GB The Womens team played: Finland 17 - 13 GB Canada 17 - 3 GB The Juniors team played: Canada 17 - 9 GB USA 17 - 4 GB Tuesday ------- The Open team played: Australia 19 - 12 GB GB 19 - 2 South Africa The Womens team played: Australia 17 - 10 GB Netherlands 17 - 8 GB The Juniors team played: GB 17 - 9 Germany Ups 17 - 11 GB On wednesday (so about 3pm here) -------------------------------- The Open team play: Sweden and Germany The Womens team play: USA twice according to the schedule (i think the second match is a quater) The Juniors team play: Canada and Sweden The current positions hasn't been updated yet so doesn't include Tuesdays games so I didn't pay much attention to that, other than GB are hanging around at the bottom of all the tables. Lets all pray that the women win a game soon! Andy -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Andy Kayley, Design Technology Centre, Tel: +44 (0)1703 316410 Philips Semiconductors, Fax: +44 (0)1703 316303 Southampton, SO15 0DJ, UK. email: andy.kayley@soton.sc.philips.com seri : kayley@ukpsshp1 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Aug 20 01:33:03 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id BAA12283 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 01:20:06 +0100 (BST) Received: from hotmail.com (f62.hotmail.com [207.82.251.196]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id BAA12278 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 01:20:03 +0100 (BST) Received: (qmail 25141 invoked by uid 0); 20 Aug 1998 00:19:31 -0000 Message-ID: <19980820001931.25140.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 194.247.226.143 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 17:19:29 PDT X-Originating-IP: [194.247.226.143] From: "Jester Bit" To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Edinburgh Festival Hat Tournament Sermon Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 17:19:29 PDT Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk My Children of the Disc What follows is an account of what will be remembered by those who gathered on that revered weekend of the 15th and 16th of August in Edinburgh as the greatest weekend in their collective existence. Ultimate is religion and lo I shall preach! Let me take you back, back to, The Beginning . . . And lo a message was sent forth from the email accounts of the Sneeekys contacts: 'Let those who would partake in the Greatest Show on Earth converge on the fair City of Edinburgh in the middle of the Festival Fringe to demonstrate to the people from every corner of the world what can be done with the manipulated spheroid embodiment of one hundred and seventy-five grams of plastic without the need for batteries!' And lo the Children of the Disc passed the message from mouth to mouth, with no fear of the spreading of disease as they new this was indeed the Pure Weekend promised to them by the Elders of the Disc since time began. More than just another weekend, more than just another two days of the calendar year oh yes, much more. More. M. The Middle And on the morning of the 15th day of August the Children did gather. Some were tired, some so tired that they had snored like a sealion on heat, and to some extent acted like one. Some were tired for they had travelled many miles, other for they had not been able to sleep with the excitement and other for their devotion to Ultimate's life-blood. Beer. Much pleasure was taken in the sub-tropical heatwave that sent Festival temperatures to new record highs. There were many cuts, many bruises, a dislocated jaw, three fractured ribs, eight broken fingers, fifteen pulled hamstrings and one leg broken in four places, and that was just the stamped of the crowd from the centre of town when they heard the airhorn for the start of play. And as it was written, the 18 teams split into one pool and played a round robin over both days. All were elated when games were scored using the Sneeeky Way, a system handed down from generation to generation of Sneeekys. Play proceeded until I, as impartial non-playing shin splintered observer, would stop play when the Time Was Right and go to the 200 strong impartial Festival crowd (including Howard Marks, Ed Byrne, and Pop Sensation B*Witched) enjoying the free hospitality provided by Caledonian Breweries and Hagen Das in the comfy chair grandstand for a mass spirit vote to determine the winner. Many thought the all female French pickup, Viva le Chic, would have won more votes had they not been forced to play in rabbit costumes donated by the Funny Funny Funny Bugs Bunny Theatre Company from Fiji. However, all players found New Hope in this karmatic system and all agreed that the ancient ones are the best ones. The End And lo all of the daylight hours were used until the end of Sunday approached and the games to drew to a close. The eight outer pitches, surely once used by the Giants to play Snooker on the same way they used Stonehenge for dominoes, were abandoned and all congregated on the centre oblong to experience the first and second place play off, the Shotgun/Druids/Catch/Chevron combo verses Sneeekys -2 ironman junior coed three legged pickup. From the sideline my impartial heart was with them with every touch of the flying thermoform as their incredible Dead Ants play slowly wore the SDCC combo down. How could they D a team who's O relied on the little guys from the Budweiser commercials to walk the disc to the zone for them? The crowd unable to contain their joy any longer invaded the field carrying the hospitality tents with them and voted with their lips that everyone's a winner. As I watched these scenes, I and everyone else realised just how much Emma Beatty and Stuart Mullinger had done to gather us all together and for the Pure Weekend. Surely they were the Chosen Ones who would lead us not into clogging, but deliver us from swill, forever and ever, Ulrika. KA. Ka. ka. Cheers for now All the bester Brother Jest*r O | /| / | / | / | / \_____ ____/ \ \ / /\_______\ \ | / x - \ | \ / \ o /| \ | | \__/ | \ | O \ | \| \_| | O ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Aug 20 08:10:54 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id HAA27398 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 07:54:27 +0100 (BST) Received: from gw-nl1.philips.com (gw-nl1.philips.com [192.68.44.33]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA27393 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 07:54:24 +0100 (BST) Received: from smtprelay-nl1.philips.com (localhost.philips.com [127.0.0.1]) by gw-nl1.philips.com with ESMTP id IAA12726 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 08:54:23 +0200 (MEST) (envelope-from andy.kayley@soton.sc.philips.com) Received: from mailgate.soton.sc.philips.com (mailgate.soton.sc.philips.com [130.141.89.1]) by smtprelay-nl1.philips.com (8.8.5/8.6.10-1.2.2m-970826) with ESMTP id IAA18377 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 08:54:14 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from pipe.soton.sc.philips.com ([130.141.7.202]) by mailgate.soton.sc.philips.com (8.6.10/8.6.10-1.001a-24Jul96) with ESMTP id HAA19419 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 07:57:36 +0100 Received: from pipe (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pipe.soton.sc.philips.com (8.6.10/8.6.10-1.001a-24Jul96) with SMTP id HAA22424 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 07:54:30 +0100 Message-ID: <35DBC826.4E26@soton.sc.philips.com> Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 07:54:30 +0100 From: Andy Kayley Organization: Philips Semiconductors Ltd. (Southampton) X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (X11; I; HP-UX B.10.20 9000/879) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: BritDisc Subject: Worlds - The Latest 2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Wednesday --------- The Open team played: Germany 16 - 13 GB The Womens team played: USA 17 - 1 GB USA 17 - 2 GB The Juniors team played: Canada 17 - 7 GB Sweden 17 - 7 GB Thursdays matches ----------------- I think these are right, but they may differ if the teams have started changing positions already - the schedule is a bit vague. The Open team play: Colombia and Venuzela ( ah well you know who I mean) The Womens team play: Canada The Juniors team play: Ups and USA I think Ups are a "pickup" kind of thing so can't knock out an eligable team. ---- Still praying, Andy -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Andy Kayley, Design Technology Centre, Tel: +44 (0)1703 316410 Philips Semiconductors, Fax: +44 (0)1703 316303 Southampton, SO15 0DJ, UK. email: andy.kayley@soton.sc.philips.com seri : kayley@ukpsshp1 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Aug 20 10:11:13 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id JAA07052 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 09:59:10 +0100 (BST) Received: from mail.grantham.ac.uk ([194.83.4.8]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA07047 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 09:59:08 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199808200859.JAA07047@pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Received: by mail.grantham.co.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 09:58:50 +0100 From: "Paul Unwin (Grantham College)" To: britdisc Cc: David Unwin Subject: lost t shirt at Ross Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 09:51:00 +0100 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Did anyone find a "spudgun" tshirt at Ross with "spud" written on the front? thanks Poo (Superfly) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Aug 20 17:15:33 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id QAA28350 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 16:59:47 +0100 (BST) Received: from exchpk02.chelt.ac.uk (exchpk02.chelt.ac.uk [194.66.194.6]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA28306 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 16:59:29 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199808201559.QAA28306@pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Received: by exchpk02.chelt.ac.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 16:59:32 +0100 From: "HUGHES, Chris" To: "'Britdisc'" Subject: Hitchin tournament Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 16:57:34 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_000_01BDCC53.8543FB10" Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_000_01BDCC53.8543FB10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi all, For those of you that are interested in coming to the Hitchin tournament and picking up, I am including a set of directions and info for the weekend. Games start at 9:45 on Saturday, and there is camping for Friday and Saturday night. If any teams that have already entered encounter any problems, please give me a ring on my Parents number - I will be there from Friday morning (01462 421136) See you there, Chris <> ------_=_NextPart_000_01BDCC53.8543FB10 Content-Type: text/plain; name="Hitchin.txt" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Hitchin.txt" Content-Location: ATT-0-783446C60E38D21185970060B01A4133-H ITCHIN.TXT Chris Hughes Email: chughes@chelt.ac.uk Phone: (01242) 543299 (work) Phone: (01452) 859210 (home) Phone: (01462) 421136 (parents - from friday) Thanks for entering the tournament, unfortunately the entrance hasn't = been as great as hoped however there is enough interest to carry on. At = this stage we have nine teams entered, and so are playing a straight = league. There will be a final for the top placed teams. Yet if one more = team enters then we'll go to a two pool format. The captain's meeting = will be between 9:30 and 9:45 with games starting at 9:45. The handicapping system will be based on the difference between the two = teams handicap scores, with the difference being the weaker teams head = start. The teams actual handicap values will be announced on the day, = as I am still trying to determine the teams relative standards. Games = will be 50 mins long, with no time-outs, but there will be a half time. Here are directions to the site, I will also be sending a map of the = local area and a larger scale map showing the general area. There is = camping on site for both Friday and Saturday night, and if you arrive = early the closest pub is the Green Man within walking, distance marked = on the map (It also serves food). The sports hall toilets should be = open all night for showers and pottys. Directions; Car- Ideally you want to approach on the A1(M). Junction 8 is the = Stevenage North, and Hitchin junction. If you then head east, on the = A602 (this is now a bypass, contrary to the map), and enter Hitchin via = the roundabout joining the B656. At this stage you need to follow the = signs for the A600 to Bedford. Once you pass the short one-way system, = with Safeways in the middle, it is simply straight on, and heading out = of Hitchin, to Bedford. Before you leave Hitchin the Priory School is = on the right (the second gate is the entrance). If you arrive at the = roundabout in Ickleford (if the village name sign is visible, then you = have gone 200m too far). The sports hall is clearly visible, large grey = and brown building. If you are travelling on the M1, the simplest route is from J10/10A. = The route then consists of the A1081 past the Airport, onto the A505 to = Hitchin. As you arrive in Hitchin, a left at the second roundabout will = enter you into the one-way system and the A600. Park anywhere on site EXCEPT on the pitches. There is ample parking at = the entrance but those teams that arrive early enough should find space = to park around the back of the school. However please be considerate, = and do not block anyone in, nor can you park on the service round going = round to the back, it is narrow and you will block it - even with two = wheels on the grass. Train- For those of you wanting to travel by train - Hitchin station is = on the mainline out of Kings Cross. Numerous trains travel, but ensure = you use a fast train, the slow ones take double the time. There is no = need to change. The pitches are a five minute drive from the station, = and taxis are always available, cost should be less than four pounds. = (If you want to get cocky the Intercity's stop at Stevenage on the = same line, and are the quickest) List Of Restaurants; Hitchin & Surrounding area. Disclaimer - I haven't been to half of these places so I cannot = guarantee the quality, prices, or availability of tables for any of = these. For those wanting fast food; Hermitage road and Bancroft (check = map) have all the local Burger King's, KFC, and chippies. Beware: there = is a limited number of cheap and nasty Chinese / Indian take-aways, try = the restaurants for takeouts. Pubs & English Restaurants; Beefeater: The Wilbury Wilbury Hills Road, Letchworth 01462 - 678216 The Captains Catch 19 Churchgate, Hitchin 01462 - 421209 Four Leaf Clover 2 Sun St., Hitchin 01462 - 421878 The Highlander Upper Tilehouse St., Hitchin 01462 - 454612 Three Moorhens London Road, Hitchin 01462 - 459039 Indians; India Brassiere 36 Bancroft, Hitchin 01462 - 433001 Dhaka Tandoori 25 Sun St., Hitchin 01462 - 421460 Raj Douth Restaurant 19 Hermitage Road, Hitchin 01462 - 437674 Rawalpindi Pakistan & Indian Restaurant 25 Sun St., Hitchin 01462 - 451732 Chinese; The Famous Chinese Restaurant 36 Gernon Road, Letchworth 01462 - 682553 Jade Cottage 49 High St., Stotfold 01462 - 730248 Pizza & Pasta; Classico Italian Restaurant ?? Bedford Road, Hitchin 01462 - 422322 La Bella Vita 9 Sun St., Hitchin 01462 - 434480 Marcello's Ritorante Pizzaria 21 Sun St., Hitchin 01462 - 432452 Pizza Piazza 87 Bancroft, Hitchin 01462 - 421101 Pizza Hut (Take-away / limited delivery) 21b Eastcheap, Letchworth 01462 - 482224 Other / Unsure of type The Khanastan Restaurant 80 Hermitage Road, Hitchin 01462 - 450635 Le Mange Tout 35 Buklersbury, Hitchin 01462 - 434529 Regent Cottage 11c High St., Hitchin 01462 - 432270 Cobblestones 103 Bancroft, Hitchin 01462 - 451488 Crystal Bowl 52 Bancroft, Hitchin 01462 - 452466 Bed & Breakfast's List For Hitchin Disclaimer (Just like the restaurant list) - I haven't been to, or = stayed in any of these places so I cannot guarantee quality or cost of = rooms, so ring and confirm first. Ashford Guest House 24 York Road, Hitchin (01462) 454183 3 dbl - =A317 p. p. 4 sgl - =A317 Digrado Hotel 7 York Road, Hitchin (01462) 450321 B&B: Mrs Giancola 49 Norton Road; Letchworth (01462) 677589 1 sgl - =A315 B&B: Mrs S Howard 18 The Cresent; Letchworth (01462) 673429 2 sgl - =A315 B&B: Mr Rollason 64 Fishponds Road, Hitchin (01462) 458050 1 sgl - =A317 1 twin - =A330 B&B: Mrs Beirne; Avenue Guest House 2 The Avenue, Hitchin (01462) 435508 1 sgl - =A312.50 1 twin - =A312.50 p. p. Lines Villa 16 Clifton Road, Shefford (01462) 811353 2 dbl - =A340 1 sgl - =A320 Greyhound Inn London Road, St Ippolytts (01462) 440989 1 dbl - =A340 1 sgl - =A320 Lilley Arms West Street, Lilley (01462) 768371 ? Double Rooms - =A332.50 The Silver Lion West Street, Lilley (01462) 768386 1 dbl (en suite) - =A336 1 dbl - =A330 1 sgl - =A325 White Hart Hotel Shefford (01462) 811144 dbl - =A350 sgl - =A330 B&B; Helen Letchworth (01462) 684422 1 dbl - =A334 1 sgl - =A324 Cock Hotel High Street, Hitchin (01462) 434673 Highbury Lodge Hotel Highbury Road, Hitchin (01462) 432983 Lord Lister Hotel Park Street, Hitchin (01462) 432712 Sun Hotel Sun Street, Hitchin (01462) 436421 If you are unable to contact any of these places or if they are full or = just unsuitable (ie. too expensive), then try the Local Tourist = Information thingy place below. Tourist Information 6c Brand Street, Hitchin (01462) 440284 ------_=_NextPart_000_01BDCC53.8543FB10-- From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Aug 21 05:20:43 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id FAA18756 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 05:04:10 +0100 (BST) Received: from hen.scotland.net (hen5.scotland.net [194.247.64.5] (may be forged)) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA18751 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 05:04:08 +0100 (BST) Received: from [148.176.232.108] (helo=e1c2p44.scotland.net) by hen.scotland.net with smtp (Exim 1.90 #5) for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk id 0z9iPy-0004y8-00; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 05:03:14 +0100 Received: by e1c2p44.scotland.net with Microsoft Mail id <01BDCCC0.C9501DE0@e1c2p44.scotland.net>; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 05:01:41 +0100 Message-ID: <01BDCCC0.C9501DE0@e1c2p44.scotland.net> From: Michael Johnson To: "'britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk'" Subject: looking for First touch - David Whitehead Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 05:01:01 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id FAA18752 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk I'm looking for david's email address (the email link off the BUF site doesn't work, nor does the link to the first touch pages). David if you get this - this is michael that came to play last weekend. I'm going on hols now but I'll be back in September so drop me a line if you need numbers for Eastbourne. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Aug 24 09:27:05 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id HAA13737 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 07:47:04 +0100 (BST) Received: from gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (ralf@gem [137.205.227.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA13730 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 07:47:01 +0100 (BST) Received: (from ralf@localhost) by gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA08707 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 07:47:01 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 07:47:01 +0100 (BST) From: Ranulf Doswell Message-Id: <199808240647.HAA08707@gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: BFDF Events Reminder Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk British Flying Disc Federation Disc Events Diary ------------------------------------------------ The events list can also be found at http://www.dcs.warwick.ac.uk/~ralf/bfdf/ ---------- Saturday 29th August 1998 BDGA Golf - B tier tournament (2 days) @ Crook of Devon, 45min north of Edinburgh [Golf] Contact Liam Young Email liamyoung@bigfoot.com Phone 0131 2252670 Friday 11th September 1998 BUF Open (3 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 19th September 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Burnlaw, Horthumberland [Golf] Saturday 26th September 1998 Nationals 98 (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 10th October 1998 BDGA Doubles Matchplay Championships (2 days) @ Ashton Court, Bristol [Golf] Contact Bud Tilton Email raf.freire@bristol.ac.uk Phone (0117) 926 9855 Saturday 24th October 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Whitcombe, Dorset [Golf Handicap] Saturday 7th November 1998 BDGA Singles Matchplay (2 days) @ TBC [Golf] Contact Andy Lucey Email andy_lucey@cargill.com Phone 0181 767 6766 ---------------------------------------------------------- British Flying Disc Federation Disc Events Diary http://www.dcs.warwick.ac.uk/~ralf/bfdf/ Ranulf Doswell, ralf@dcs.warwick.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Aug 24 14:50:55 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id OAA25231 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 14:34:52 +0100 (BST) Received: from venus.open.ac.uk (venus.open.ac.uk [137.108.143.2]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA25221 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 14:34:49 +0100 (BST) From: P.M.Connor@open.ac.uk Received: from damson.open.ac.uk by venus with SMTP Local (MMTA v2.2); Mon, 24 Aug 1998 14:31:40 +0100 Received: from pctest.open.ac.uk by damson.open.ac.uk (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AB02510; Mon, 24 Aug 98 14:31:38 BST Message-Id: <9808241331.AB02510@damson.open.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 14:31:35 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: Hitchin and Handicapping Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Just thought I'd send in some comments regarding the Hitchin tournament and some personal thoughts on the handicapping system that caused so much controversy hereabouts when Chris Hughes brought it up last month. First thanks to Chris on behalf of the Kows for his excellent organisation and his most reasonable tounament price. Personally I felt the handicapping worked fairly well, in the games the Kows played against teams from around their own level the handicap cancelled out anyway so we could have a normal competitive game, perhaps the only problem being that a strong wind from one end of the pitch to the other in some games meant that play went with the wind and a two or three point handicap became quite difficult to turnover. The system really came into its own when the normally higher ranked teams came across a much lower ranked one, the significant opening score seemed to motivate both teams to go all out, the weaker to try and maximise their advantage and the stronger because they had to fight to prevent every scoring opportunity - a big difference from the usual format of weaker teams being dicked on by stronger teams in essentially meaningless games where both sides know who will win from the start, for a tournament of this size with perhaps only three or four high quality teams this seemed to maintain everybodies interest throughout all of the games and for the full length of each game. Games didn't tend to become hammerfests as the stronger team get to 10-0 as can easily happen. The main problem with the system probably arose from misassessments of individual team handicaps, while I think Chris had done a good job of assessing most teams with the result that there were some good close matches and teams seemed fairly evenly matched, (for example Goldfish beat the Mad Kows who beat the Hurricanes who beat Mud Culture who beat Goldfish) a team which had the wrong handicap, for whatever reason, was punished for it throughout the weekend. All in all though I thought it worked pretty well, spirit was good throughout and I'd have no objections to other occasional tournaments along the same lines, Pete (Mad Kows) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Aug 24 14:53:26 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id OAA26804 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 14:47:38 +0100 (BST) Received: from shrimp.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (ralf@shrimp [137.205.227.130]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA26791 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 14:47:36 +0100 (BST) Received: (from ralf@localhost) by shrimp.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA10493 for britdisc@csv; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 14:47:45 +0100 (BST) From: Ralf Message-Id: <199808241347.OAA10493@shrimp.dcs.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: www.ultilinks.com To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 14:47:45 +0100 (BST) Reply-To: peldi@mailbox.dsnet.it X-Quote: Productivity is in the eye of the beholder. 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This is a all-in-one, downloadable (maybe once a week?), tree-like version of Ultilinks, containing all of the above sections (500+ links today), with their addresses showing in case you want to print it. ABC Teams - http://www.ultilinks.com/abc.html (86Kb) ^^^^^^^^^ This is another new page. It's the links of both the "Teams" and "Teams USA" sections, sorted by team name. It shows each team's division, city, country and, of course, web address. The Go Random! Pop-Up Window - (28Kb) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Have time to spare? Want to see how frisbee in other parts of the world is spelled like? This little window makes you open up to 10 randomly selected pages at the same time. Go ahead and waste your lunch break! Ultilynx - http://ultilynx.ultilinks.com (4Kb) ^^^^^^^^ "All of the above sounds really nice, but I am using an old browser that doesn't speak Javascript. What do I do?" Ultilynx is your friend. It was purposely intended for you (but also for those who hate windows popping up or have a very slow connection). As usual, Ultilinks offers free advertising for teams and tournaments. Shops and Companies should mailto:advertising@ultilinks.com for prices info. Thanks using Ultilinks, Peldi (peldi@ultilinks.com) Chris (cschneid@relog.ch) Note:Ultilinks uses Javascript and therefore it is best viewed with Netscape Navigator 4.x or MSIE4.0. Netscape 3.x will work depending on what release you have. For those using an older browser, we suggest using "Ultilynx", "The Tree", "ABC" and "Search", which do not use javascript extensively and will show well on every browser (even lynx). ----- End of forwarded message from owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk ----- ____ ____ _ _ ____ .----------------------------------------. _\__ \ _\__ \ / \ / \\__/ | Ranulf Doswell | / \_/ /_ / \_/ \ / / / /___ | Department of Computer Science | \ __ \\ __ \\ \ _\ \\_/ |University of Warwick, COVENTRY, CV4 7AL| \ \ \ \\ \ \ \\ \__/ \\ \ | Phone: 01203 523296 Fax: 01203 525714 | \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \______/ \_/ `----------------------------------------' From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Aug 24 17:06:13 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id QAA13261 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 16:50:23 +0100 (BST) Received: from FIREWALL.target-systems.com (mail.target-systems.com [194.168.207.2]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA13253 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 16:50:21 +0100 (BST) Received: from as400a.target-systems.com by FIREWALL.target-systems.com (IBM Firewall for AS/400/4.2.0) id QAA002.43; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 16:49:39 GMT Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 16:45:14 +0100 To: "britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk" From: "Darren Evans" X-From-OfficeVision: "Darren Evans" Importance: medium X-Mailer: IBM Internet Messaging Framework Message-Id: <903973514-0-darren.evans@AS400A.TARGET-SYSTEMS.COM> X-MIME-Engine: v0.58 Subject: Re:Hitchin and Handicapping MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Id: <903973514-1-darren.evans@AS400A.TARGET-SYSTEMS.COM> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id QAA13257 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk To add to P.M Connor's Note on Hitchin: All of Night Fever's games were very close, with two or three games going to a sudden death point at the cap. (Apart from the appalling conditions against Goldfish - RAIN) By far the closest game was the 1-1 draw against the mad kows even though they had a 4-0 start! Again down to the Conditions and injuries of the individual teams. I felt that the Handicap system was incredibly fair, and full marks to Chris for evaluating the teams beforehand and Getting it right! Here's to more tournaments like it Two Hands Night Fever Ultimate From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Aug 25 15:12:49 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id OAA28983 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 14:58:59 +0100 (BST) Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (imo18.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.8]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA28947 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 14:58:49 +0100 (BST) From: BPeek85175@aol.com Received: from BPeek85175@aol.com by imo18.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id IIZJa29489 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 09:58:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 09:58:01 EDT To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Bournemouth Ultimate Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 170 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Could someone tell me if there's an open Ultimate club in Bournemouth as a friend of mine (no longer a student) is thinking of moving there? If not, where would be the nearest club? Thanks a lot, Ben (Superfly) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Aug 26 13:09:52 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id NAA17743 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 13:07:42 +0100 (BST) Received: from pp2.shef.ac.uk (pp2.shef.ac.uk [143.167.1.32]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA17733 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 13:07:41 +0100 (BST) Received: from blackmoor.shef.ac.uk [143.167.127.253] by pp2.shef.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.73 #1) id 0zBeMW-00060a-00; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 13:07:40 +0100 Received: from BLACKMOOR/SpoolDir by blackmoor.shef.ac.uk (Mercury 1.40); 26 Aug 98 13:07:39 +0100 Received: from SpoolDir by BLACKMOOR (Mercury 1.40); 26 Aug 98 13:07:34 +0100 From: "P.J.Coy" To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 13:07:28 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: catching aride to eastbourne X-mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.31 Message-ID: <1F77B33CC0@blackmoor.shef.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Apologies if this is the second such message you have recieved, if not dont worry. Basically theres two chaps in the sheffiled area looking for a ride down to the open in eastbourne, if theres anyone out there that might have space in their car, van etc. then please e-mail pete at the address above. thankyou. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Aug 26 13:10:09 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id MAA15866 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 12:51:57 +0100 (BST) Received: from pp2.shef.ac.uk (pp2.shef.ac.uk [143.167.1.32]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA15851 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 12:51:51 +0100 (BST) Received: from blackmoor.shef.ac.uk [143.167.127.253] by pp2.shef.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.73 #1) id 0zBe7C-0005np-00; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 12:51:50 +0100 Received: from BLACKMOOR/SpoolDir by blackmoor.shef.ac.uk (Mercury 1.40); 26 Aug 98 12:51:49 +0100 Received: from SpoolDir by BLACKMOOR (Mercury 1.40); 26 Aug 98 12:51:44 +0100 From: "P.J.Coy" To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 12:51:43 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: catching a ride to eastbourne X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <1F341F405F@blackmoor.shef.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi, is there anyone willing to give to chaps a ride in the direction of Eastbourne, for the open, we are in Sheffield, and will endervour to make your journey a pleasant one! You would! Wonderfully, in that case e-mail Pete at the address above. Please accept my most heart felt thanks, Pete (Phat' Eds) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Aug 26 14:08:49 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id NAA24078 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 13:50:01 +0100 (BST) Received: from exchpk02.chelt.ac.uk (exchpk02.chelt.ac.uk [194.66.194.6]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA24068 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 13:50:00 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199808261250.NAA24068@pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Received: by exchpk02.chelt.ac.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 13:50:04 +0100 From: "HUGHES, Chris" To: "'Britdisc'" Subject: Hitchin Handicapping Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 13:48:13 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk A number of people have already mailed about the tournament, which I believe that most people enjoyed (apart from the weather gods getting angry at us on Sunday afternoon). The tournament started at a pleasant hour on Saturday, with the winds blowing as usual at Hitchin, but certainly not unplayable. The chosen handicapping system was by use of the weaker team getting a headstart based on the difference between the handicap values of the two teams. Right from the very start it became apparent that the two teams to beat were going to be the top seeds, of Goldfish (a Druids / UTI / ex-Red Shift combo) - handicap 0; and Mohawks Legends - Handicap +1. Red also appeared a threat once they mustered a full team. As the tournament progressed, it did appear that teams were going to have to fight for the win, although Goldfish beat the Mohawks 12 - 10, they promptly lost to Mud Culture 11 - 13, as Mud took great advantage of their 8 point headstart. This coming from a team that had been beaten by Hurricane 9 - 7, who made good use of their 3 point advantage. Whilst most teams were battling and having close games - rarely was a game won by more than 3 or 4 points, it soon became apparent that I had been unreasonably harsh on Fingers 6 who started suffering badly. As the weather improved for Saturday evening, and the drinking began (or in some cases continued) Goldfish, Red, and Mohawks all jockeyed for the top two positions, having lost only one game each, to progress to the final, but a lot was yet to happen. Why? Red and Mohawks had to play each other, and Goldfish had to face Hurricane; a local school team which was playing well, and winning, and would go into the game starting at 11 - 0 up, and first to 13. Hurricane started well, having picked-up Dr Ross, and Cliff (from Lurkers), they gained possession with their backs to the wind and punted. Goldfish weren't concerned - Lee was down there, marking a four-foot high, eight and half stone, school kid - we were more worried he would land on the poor lad. Instead Lee got into position, jumped, and then put his hand in the wrong place and watched the disc go sailing by for the point. Goldfish then played the next 12 points on the precipice, with hurricane only needing one more lucky catch to win. Finally we scored to win, and came off pitch breathing a big sigh of relief. Then the rain descended; everyone ran for cover as the tournament stopped to see if the rain would go away. I didn't, out every one went again and finished their games, Mohawks pipped Red at the end to win 11 - 9, but Red then threw their chance of the final by losing to Hurricane 9 - 13. Fingers 6 maintained their perfect record of losing everything but enjoying themselves. So the final positions came out as ; 10. Fingers 6 9. Slipdisc 8. Nightfever 7. Mud Culture 6. Hurricane 5. Mad Kows 4. Strange Blue 3. Red This left Goldfish to play Mohawks Legends in the Final, and after a short discussion, and a long look at the weather, decided to split the trophy (a large amount of chocolate) and the result. Spirit went to Mud Culture who were fun to play, and even more fun to party with, although every team entered into the spirit of the tournament. Fun was had by all, and I think we'll do the same again next. But this time to increase the chance of good weather - we will probably go some where other than Hitchin. Cheers, Chris From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Aug 27 11:14:27 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id KAA01734 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 10:58:27 +0100 (BST) Received: from gannet.scg.man.ac.uk (gannet.scg.man.ac.uk [130.88.94.110]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA01725 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 10:58:23 +0100 (BST) Received: from fs1.scg.man.ac.uk ([130.88.94.100]) by gannet.scg.man.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #2) for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk id 0zByow-0004p5-01; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 10:58:22 +0100 Received: from UK-AC-MAN-SCG-FS1/SpoolDir by fs1.scg.man.ac.uk (Mercury 1.43); 27 Aug 98 10:58:22 GMT+1 Received: from SpoolDir by UK-AC-MAN-SCG-FS1 (Mercury 1.43); 27 Aug 98 10:57:53 GMT+1 From: "Ben" Organization: University of Manchester, UK To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 10:57:49 GMT+1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: The first Barcelona tournament! Reply-to: mddpsbs3@fs1.scg.man.ac.uk X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi Does anybody fancy going to a Beach hat tournament in Barcelona on October 30 - November 1, 1998 ??? My Friend Rocky is just puting the finishing touches on to it! WHERE: Castelldefels, Spain (20 minutes from barcelona city center) WHY: Because its going to be great! WHO: Everybody! Its a hat tournament so come alone or bring your entire team. Some basic info *** 2.5 days hat tournament. Games will start on friday afternoon *** Beach tournament on nice, soft, mediterranean sand. *** Accommodations (2 nights) within easy walking distance of fields. *** Breakfast included at hotel. *** Dinner on Friday night *** Party on Saturday night *** Wine, beer, and sangria. *** FUN and lots of other things we haven't figured out yet. Other stuff: Barcelona is a really nice city...worth visiting even if we weren't having a tournament. The weather should be nice at the end of october. Coming Soon: Price Details How to register The web site Links to barcelona tourism in case you want to stay for a few days. I will attempt to order my whole team to Go!! (Get back to me, even if only a little bit interested) Thanks Ben Silk Disciples . _\|/_ ( * = ) | L | _____( Oh My Head ) \~/ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Aug 27 11:20:18 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id LAA04070 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 11:15:43 +0100 (BST) Received: from iraun1.ira.uka.de (iraun1.ira.uka.de [129.13.10.90]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA04065 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 11:15:41 +0100 (BST) Received: from [129.13.2.181] [129.13.2.181] (actually i02mac181.ira.uka.de) by iraun1 with SMTP (PP) local; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 12:15:40 +0200 X-Sender: griesbaum@i02mac198.ira.uka.de Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 12:16:50 +0200 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: Thomas Griesbaum Subject: Re: The first Barcelona tournament! Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Ben wrote: >Hi >Does anybody fancy going to a Beach hat tournament in Barcelona on >October 30 - November 1, 1998 ??? >My Friend Rocky is just puting the finishing touches on to it! ... and don't forget to mention the web site for this event: http://members.tripod.com/BarnaDisc/ Thomas From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Aug 28 22:18:44 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id WAA07549 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 22:01:12 +0100 (BST) Received: from amsta.leeds.ac.uk (amsta.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA07541 for ; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 22:01:11 +0100 (BST) Received: from newton.leeds.amsta (newton.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.64]) by amsta.leeds.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA20630 for ; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 22:01:55 +0100 (BST) Received: by newton.leeds.amsta (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id WAA00489; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 22:01:55 +0100 Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 22:01:55 +0100 From: amtsjh@amsta.leeds.ac.uk (S J Hill) Message-Id: <199808282101.WAA00489@newton.leeds.amsta> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: contact details for Catch 22 and DoC X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi Jack and I have moved to our new home... 10 Niton Rd Richmond Surrey TW9 4LH Tel: 0181 876 4876 This email address remains active because I haven't finished here yet. Best way of contacting me is by email - or to leave a message with Jack. Si - Catch 22 - BUF Director of Competitions ps- don't ask me about Nationals yet. I believe that a white night in shining armour has come to our rescue - but I don't any details yet... From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Aug 31 08:07:05 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id HAA22649 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 07:47:04 +0100 (BST) Received: from gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (ralf@gem [137.205.227.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA22643 for ; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 07:47:03 +0100 (BST) Received: (from ralf@localhost) by gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA24776 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 07:47:02 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 07:47:02 +0100 (BST) From: Ranulf Doswell Message-Id: <199808310647.HAA24776@gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: BFDF Events Reminder Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk British Flying Disc Federation Disc Events Diary ------------------------------------------------ The events list can also be found at http://www.dcs.warwick.ac.uk/~ralf/bfdf/ ---------- Thursday 10th September 1998 British Open T-One Day (1 day) @ The Saffrons, Eastbourne, East Sussex [DDC Golf Guts MTA] Contact Nolan Taylor Email nolan@daletaylor.co.uk Fax 01323 430223 Phone 01323 430700 Friday 11th September 1998 British Open (3 days) @ The Saffrons, Eastbourne, East Sussex [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Nolan Taylor Email nolan@daletaylor.co.uk Fax 01323 430223 Phone 01323 430700 Saturday 19th September 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Burnlaw, Horthumberland [Golf] Saturday 26th September 1998 Nationals 98 (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 10th October 1998 BDGA Doubles Matchplay Championships (2 days) @ Ashton Court, Bristol [Golf] Contact Bud Tilton Email raf.freire@bristol.ac.uk Phone (0117) 926 9855 Saturday 24th October 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Whitcombe, Dorset [Golf Handicap] Saturday 7th November 1998 BDGA Singles Matchplay (2 days) @ TBC [Golf] Contact Andy Lucey Email andy_lucey@cargill.com Phone 0181 767 6766 Saturday 5th June 1999 Date reserved (2 days) ---------------------------------------------------------- British Flying Disc Federation Disc Events Diary http://www.dcs.warwick.ac.uk/~ralf/bfdf/ Ranulf Doswell, ralf@dcs.warwick.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Sep 1 11:34:01 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id LAA04077 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 11:16:42 +0100 (BST) Received: from gannet.scg.man.ac.uk (gannet.scg.man.ac.uk [130.88.94.110]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA04061 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 11:16:39 +0100 (BST) Received: from fs1.scg.man.ac.uk ([130.88.94.100]) by gannet.scg.man.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #2) for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk id 0zDnUM-0001fp-00; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 11:16:38 +0100 Received: from UK-AC-MAN-SCG-FS1/SpoolDir by fs1.scg.man.ac.uk (Mercury 1.43); 1 Sep 98 11:16:37 GMT+1 Received: from SpoolDir by UK-AC-MAN-SCG-FS1 (Mercury 1.43); 1 Sep 98 11:16:27 GMT+1 From: "Ben" Organization: University of Manchester, UK To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 11:16:27 GMT+1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Contact-Bradford Disciples Reply-to: mddpsbs3@fs1.scg.man.ac.uk X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <13217897836@fs1.scg.man.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi Student groups On your contact Sheets for the Bradford Disciples, you will have some blokes name called Richard - well he isn't arround any more cos I'm taking over! After Eastbourne I can be contacted at bjsilcoc@bradford.ac.uk At the moment Bradford Disiples has only 2 active outdoor members (Hi Vicky), but with arms up backs and emphasis on outdoors from now on! we won't only be that irritating indoor team anymore! So if you wan't to invite us to stuff we will come, And we should have a team! Cheers (Sorry none student persons) Ben Silk . _\|/_ ( * = ) | L | _____( Oh My Head ) \~/ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Sep 1 12:20:50 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id MAA11548 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 12:05:44 +0100 (BST) Received: from eugw1.bp.com (eugw1.bp.com [194.203.80.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA11527 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 12:05:31 +0100 (BST) Received: by eugw1.bp.com; id MAA28163; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 12:04:59 +0100 (BST) Received: from euimsx1(161.102.253.109) by eugw1 via smap (V2.1) id xma027772; Tue, 1 Sep 98 12:04:35 +0100 Received: by EUIMSX1 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 12:05:25 +0100 Message-ID: From: "Rawi, Zaid" To: "'britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk'" Subject: Yorkshire Ultimate Sessions Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 12:14:44 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Dear All, To those that have been attending the Yorkshire Ultimate sessions (or wish to) that have been happening in Leeds, these are still on (weather allowing). We will try and practice today IF it decides to stop raining. no fair weather Ultimate jokes please! ;) Anyway practices are on Tuesdays, at 7:00-9:00pm, at Hyde Park, behind the Feast and Firkin pub. If anyone has any questions give me a call/email. My home telephone number is 01482 329949 and my mobile number is 07771 534597. Work numbers are given below. Zaid ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -------------------------------------------------------- Dr Zaid Rawi Post Doctoral Researcher BP Chemicals Ltd ASL2, DL1A Hull Research & Technology Centre Salt End Hull E. Yorkshire HU12 8DS UK Tel: +44 (0)1482 892090 Fax: +44 (0)1482 892266 email: rawiz@bp.com From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Sep 1 18:58:08 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id RAA25699 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 17:34:26 +0100 (BST) Received: from mailrelay2.pfizer.com (pfizergate.pfizer.com [192.77.198.2]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA25674 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 17:34:19 +0100 (BST) From: Paul_Allen@sandwich.pfizer.com Received: from sdu003.sandwich.pfizer.com by mailrelay2.pfizer.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id MAA14202; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 12:33:45 -0400 Received: from ccmail.sandwich.pfizer.com by sdu003.sandwich.pfizer.com (5.65/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA22141; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 17:36:16 +0100 Received: from san-ima.sandwich.pfizer.com (unverified [168.224.127.203]) by san-mimesweep.sandwich.pfizer.com (Integralis SMTPRS 2.04) with SMTP id ; Tue, 01 Sep 1998 17:32:59 +0100 Received: from ccMail by san-ima.sandwich.pfizer.com (IMA Internet Exchange 2.12 Enterprise) id 00147E9E; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 17:32:48 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 17:31:07 +0100 Message-Id: <00147E9E.4142@ccmail.sandwich.pfizer.com> Subject: TOXIC-anyone out there from UKC To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi if you're from Toxic and/or know Darren's home tel. no. please get in touch. ta paul allen (Night Fever bloke who practcies at UKC) PFIZER CENTRAL RESEARCH ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message and any attachment has been virus checked by the Pfizer Research Sandwich Data Centre. ---------------------------------------------------------------- From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Sep 2 11:31:38 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id LAA06153 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 11:21:20 +0100 (BST) Received: from gannet.scg.man.ac.uk (gannet.scg.man.ac.uk [130.88.94.110]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA06129 for ; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 11:21:16 +0100 (BST) Received: from fs1.scg.man.ac.uk ([130.88.94.100]) by gannet.scg.man.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #2) for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk id 0zEA2O-0005D5-00; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 11:21:16 +0100 Received: from UK-AC-MAN-SCG-FS1/SpoolDir by fs1.scg.man.ac.uk (Mercury 1.43); 2 Sep 98 11:21:15 GMT+1 Received: from SpoolDir by UK-AC-MAN-SCG-FS1 (Mercury 1.43); 2 Sep 98 11:21:12 GMT+1 From: "Ben" Organization: University of Manchester, UK To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 11:21:12 GMT+1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Video and Stuff Reply-to: mddpsbs3@fs1.scg.man.ac.uk X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <14A2D190CD3@fs1.scg.man.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi Folks 2 things * Does anybody have a current list of contact details for all the clubs (And I mean current, not the person who was incharge of the club in 1902 or somthing - Cos university clubs change contact just about yearly) Is it on computer? and could somone e-mail it to me?? Pritty Please! Mabe I have missed it (I'm quite remarkably dim!) *I am really stuck for a Video of Ultimate, anything will do, Like an old indoor tournament with crazy camra angles (Anything I'm desperate)! I don't care!!! I really have myself set on the Idea for the freshers fair! I will pay top dollor for one - Any offers! I will borrow one at Eastbourne and return it at the Nationals if you like!! Thanks Ben Silk Disciples . _\|/_ ( * = ) | L | _____( Oh My Head ) \~/ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Sep 2 16:06:53 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id PAA21861 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 15:53:13 +0100 (BST) Received: from shrimp.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (ralf@shrimp [137.205.227.130]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA21856 for ; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 15:53:11 +0100 (BST) Received: (from ralf@localhost) by shrimp.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA26576 for britdisc@csv; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 15:53:35 +0100 (BST) From: Ralf Message-Id: <199809021453.PAA26576@shrimp.dcs.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Diary Manager - change of address To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 15:53:34 +0100 (BST) X-Quote: Productivity is in the eye of the beholder. X-Quote: The closest to perfection a person ever comes is when they fill out a job application. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL35 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi all, My address has changed to: 93 Standard Avenue, Tile Hill, Coventry, CV4 9BT 01203 470756 (H) 01203 523296 (W) 01203 525714 (F) ralf@dcs.warwick.ac.uk (E) I'm also likely to be going out of the country for quite a long time from mid-January, so it might be handy if anyone who is interested in taking over the diary can let me know... Ralf. ____ ____ _ _ ____ .----------------------------------------. _\__ \ _\__ \ / \ / \\__/ | Ranulf Doswell | / \_/ /_ / \_/ \ / / / /___ | Department of Computer Science | \ __ \\ __ \\ \ _\ \\_/ |University of Warwick, COVENTRY, CV4 7AL| \ \ \ \\ \ \ \\ \__/ \\ \ | Phone: 01203 523296 Fax: 01203 525714 | \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \______/ \_/ `----------------------------------------' From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Sep 3 14:29:16 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id OAA29155 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 14:13:31 +0100 (BST) Received: from bbnrel4.hp.com (bbnrel4.hp.com [155.208.254.68] (may be forged)) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA29064 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 14:12:51 +0100 (BST) Received: from hpbplfs4.bpo.hp.com (daemon@hpbplfs4.bpo.hp.com [15.180.0.241]) by bbnrel4.hp.com (8.8.6/8.8.5tis) with ESMTP id PAA19192 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 15:12:50 +0200 (METDST) Received: from hpbpl174 (hpbpl174.bpo.hp.com) by hpbplfs4.bpo.hp.com with SMTP (1.37.109.16/15.5+ECS 3.3) id AA105698362; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 15:12:42 +0200 Message-Id: <35EE95C9.DC6@bpo.hp.com> Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 15:12:41 +0200 From: Kaleen Moriarty Organization: Hewlett-Packard Barcelona Division X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (X11; I; HP-UX B.10.20 9000/735) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Barcelona Beach Ultimate Tournament Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk This may have reached some of you already but since we didn't have the britdisc mailing list address before, I'm sending it now to make sure we reach more people. So far we only have one lone uk player on our list! Venga! Easyjet has cheap flights from London and Barcelona has the beach, the sun, the sagrada familia, sangria, paella, vino tinto, etc. etc. When? Oct 30-Nov 1, 1998. What? Co-ed hat tournament 2.5 days of beach ultimate 2 nights hotel (and it looks like it will be right on the beach and rolling distance to the fields....if we're lucky and everything works out) Paella dinner on Friday Big party on saturday night Transportation from the airport Help in finding a place to stay other nights and possibility of free accommodations with players (depending on how many people need it) Prizes Sangria Games Porron Olympics Cost? 10,000 pts. Sign up on our web site..... http://members.tripod.com/BarnaDisc/ or email us: mailto:barnadisc@hotmail.com with the following information: Name Skill level (1-10, 1 = beginner) Gender Where are you from? When do you arrive? (can add this later) Do you want fish paella or veggie paella? Do you need pick-up from the airport? Other comments.... Hasta pronto, Kaleen From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Sep 4 10:08:45 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id JAA06807 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 09:51:35 +0100 (BST) Received: from venus.open.ac.uk (venus.open.ac.uk [137.108.143.2]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA06802 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 09:51:33 +0100 (BST) Received: from edison.open.ac.uk by venus with SMTP Local (MMTA v2.2) with ESMTP; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 09:49:59 +0100 Received: by edison.open.ac.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 09:49:58 +0100 Message-ID: <594E1092E805D211843F0000F830ED2714A597@bell.open.ac.uk> From: "E.C.Gonsalves" To: "'britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk'" Subject: Ultimate Demo videos? Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 09:49:55 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hello Two schools in Milton Keynes have now accepted Ultimate as an extra-curricula sport (Mark Jefferson is at one of them). Does anyone have a demo video of the sport that I can borrow and record? Preferably but not essetially with kids playing. Thanks ed From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Sep 4 16:38:38 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id QAA02163 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 16:24:01 +0100 (BST) Received: from tea.uk.pw.com (tea.uk.pw.com [193.131.169.130]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA02157 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 16:23:59 +0100 (BST) From: ian.stebbing@uk.pwcglobal.com Received: by tea.uk.pw.com; id QAA12041; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 16:21:57 +0100 Received: from olive.uk.pw.com(10.44.240.46) by tea.uk.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma011847; Fri, 4 Sep 98 16:21:45 +0100 Received: from intleursmtp10.uk.pw.com (intleursmtp10.gb.pw.com) by olive.uk.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0EYR00HU6MO2VD@olive.uk.pw.com>; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 16:21:58 +0100 (BST) Received: by intleursmtp10.uk.pw.com(Internal build - SMTP TEAM v1.2 hotfix3 (660.3 6-25-1998)) id 80256675.0053FE4C ; Fri, 04 Sep 1998 16:17:25 +0100 Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 16:19:40 +0100 Subject: Nationals - Dates/Some Info To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Cc: amtsjh@amsta.leeds.ac.uk Message-id: <80256675.0053F05F.00@intleursmtp10.uk.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L GB@C&L INT@INTL Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id QAA02158 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk All I know its late notice but here are a few details. Location : Goldenhills Sports Ground, Bristol Dates: 26 & 27 September (original dates) Cost: Approx £80 + BUF tax. There will be no opportunity to camp at the site but a list of B+Bs will be provided. The tournament will only be Nationals unfortunately as there is no room to hold another tournament along side. Far more detail will be provided later. The contact email for Nationals is chuckaway@aol.com please send all queries/confirmations of attendance there. Thanks Ian Stebbing Nancy Stebbing Charlie Ben-Nathan Joint TDs ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. 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From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Sep 4 17:13:49 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id QAA05839 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 16:53:05 +0100 (BST) Received: from bbnrel4.hp.com (bbnrel4.hp.com [155.208.254.68] (may be forged)) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA05800 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 16:52:44 +0100 (BST) Received: from hpbplfs4.bpo.hp.com (daemon@hpbplfs4.bpo.hp.com [15.180.0.241]) by bbnrel4.hp.com (8.8.6/8.8.5tis) with ESMTP id RAA07914 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 17:52:43 +0200 (METDST) Received: from hpbpl174 (hpbpl174.bpo.hp.com) by hpbplfs4.bpo.hp.com with SMTP (1.37.109.16/15.5+ECS 3.3) id AA219924361; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 17:52:41 +0200 Message-Id: <35F00CC8.500B@bpo.hp.com> Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 17:52:40 +0200 From: Kaleen Moriarty Organization: Hewlett-Packard Barcelona Division X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (X11; I; HP-UX B.10.20 9000/735) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Barcelona HAT tournament Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Just a quick message because I forgot to mention that this is going to be a hat tournament so you can come alone or with your entire team. If you come with your whole team you will get split up....(like every hat tournament, we'll try and fail to make the teams even but its the trying that counts!). If you have any questions, let me know. Thanks, Kaleen http://members.tripod.com/BarnaDisc/ -- ____________________________________________________ mailto:kaleen@bpo.hp.com Hewlett-Packard (BCD) Phone +34-3-582-2717 Avda. Graells 501 Fax +34-3-582-1410 08190 Sant Cugat del Valles Telnet 712-2717 Barcelona - Spain ____________________________________________________ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Sep 7 08:05:32 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id HAA03173 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 07:47:04 +0100 (BST) Received: from gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (ralf@gem [137.205.227.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA03168 for ; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 07:47:03 +0100 (BST) Received: (from ralf@localhost) by gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA06312 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 07:47:01 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 07:47:01 +0100 (BST) From: Ranulf Doswell Message-Id: <199809070647.HAA06312@gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: BFDF Events Reminder Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk British Flying Disc Federation Disc Events Diary ------------------------------------------------ The events list can also be found at http://www.dcs.warwick.ac.uk/~ralf/bfdf/ ---------- Thursday 10th September 1998 British Open T-One Day (1 day) @ The Saffrons, Eastbourne, East Sussex [DDC Golf Guts MTA] Contact Nolan Taylor Email open98@daletaylor.co.uk Fax 01323 430223 Phone 01323 430700 Friday 11th September 1998 British Open (3 days) @ The Saffrons, Eastbourne, East Sussex [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Nolan Taylor Email open98@daletaylor.co.uk Fax 01323 430223 Phone 01323 430700 Saturday 19th September 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Burnlaw, Horthumberland [Golf] Saturday 26th September 1998 Nationals 98 (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 10th October 1998 BDGA Doubles Matchplay Championships (2 days) @ Ashton Court, Bristol [Golf] Contact Bud Tilton Email raf.freire@bristol.ac.uk Phone (0117) 926 9855 Saturday 24th October 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Whitcombe, Dorset [Golf Handicap] Saturday 7th November 1998 BDGA Singles Matchplay (2 days) @ TBC [Golf] Contact Andy Lucey Email andy_lucey@cargill.com Phone 0181 767 6766 Saturday 5th June 1999 Date reserved (2 days) ---------------------------------------------------------- British Flying Disc Federation Disc Events Diary http://www.dcs.warwick.ac.uk/~ralf/bfdf/ Ranulf Doswell, ralf@dcs.warwick.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Sep 7 12:56:41 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id MAA16742 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 12:44:17 +0100 (BST) Received: from amsta.leeds.ac.uk (amsta.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA16724 for ; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 12:44:08 +0100 (BST) Received: from newton.leeds.amsta (newton.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.64]) by amsta.leeds.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA25454 for ; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 12:44:50 +0100 (BST) Received: by newton.leeds.amsta (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id MAA10974; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 12:44:55 +0100 Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 12:44:55 +0100 From: amtsjh@amsta.leeds.ac.uk (S J Hill) Message-Id: <199809071144.MAA10974@newton.leeds.amsta> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: a canadian searching X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Got this message this morning - thought this would be the best way of getting info to Hilary... Si ----- Begin Included Message ----- >From hilburt@hotmail.com Mon Sep 7 11:11:27 1998 X-Originating-IP: [194.168.122.100] From: "hilary burt" To: amtsjh@amsta.leeds.ac.uk Subject: a canadian searching Date: Mon, 07 Sep 1998 03:10:04 PDT Simon! hello. i just moved to london a week ago and am desperately searching for a team to play disk with. i am looking for either a womens team or a mixed team that needs an extra woman. i've played in canada for years and just can't stop. thanks for all your help. sincerely, hilary burt ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ----- End Included Message ----- From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Sep 7 22:13:49 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id VAA25016 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 21:58:54 +0100 (BST) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA25010 for ; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 21:58:52 +0100 (BST) Received: from [194.222.153.201] (helo=sdc1.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 0zG8N7-00007v-00 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 20:58:50 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 21:57:10 +0100 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: Simon Church Subject: BUF AGM at Eastbourne MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Version 3.02 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Just a quick note to advise people that the Annual General Meeting of the BUF will take place on Friday 11th September 1998 at 8pm at the Saffrons during the Eastbourne tournament in the same way as last year. Apologies for the short notice, but we were hoping to hold it at the nationals, but it has been decided that it would be fairer to hold it at Eastbourne as there will be a higher representation of teams. This will be your chance to find out what has happened in the BUF over the last year and to influence what is going to happen over the next year. It is your main chance to influence how your money is spent, so if you want to learn more about frisbee in Britain, stand for election to any of the BUF positions (Two notable vacancies are President and Director of Competitions), or just have nothing better to do for 90 minutes come along. Please could those people who are current BUF officers (you know who you are and we know where you live!) please e-mail me to let me know if you are or are not standing for election again. Anyone who is interested in standing for election, there is a description of each officers responsibilities at: http://www.ultimateweb.co.uk/buf/bufjds.asp Anyone who wants to find out more give me or Scott a ring, or see us if you can on Thursday evening/ Friday at Eastbourne. Here's hoping for an Indian summer! -- Simon Church From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Sep 7 22:16:35 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id WAA26364 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 22:14:50 +0100 (BST) Received: from spock.tinet.ie (spock.tinet.ie [159.134.237.8]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA26352 for ; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 22:14:46 +0100 (BST) Received: from mail1.tinet.ie (p87-as2.exs.dublin.tinet.ie [159.134.224.87]) by spock.tinet.ie (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id WAA18673 for ; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 22:14:44 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199809072114.WAA18673@spock.tinet.ie> X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail and News for Macintosh - 1.5b1 (45) Date: Mon, 07 Sep 1998 22:17:20 +0100 From: Randal Faulkner To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Does anyone know if there is an Ozzy or Kiwi mailing list that I can get on to? Cheers, Sal From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Sep 8 15:04:21 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id OAA20175 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 14:47:42 +0100 (BST) Received: from eugw1.bp.com (eugw1.bp.com [194.203.80.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA20163 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 14:47:40 +0100 (BST) Received: by eugw1.bp.com; id OAA24931; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 14:47:09 +0100 (BST) Received: from euimsx1(161.102.253.109) by eugw1 via smap (V2.1) id xma024167; Tue, 8 Sep 98 14:46:18 +0100 Received: by EUIMSX1 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 14:47:02 +0100 Message-ID: From: "Rawi, Zaid" To: "'Britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk'" Subject: Yorkshire Ultimate Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 14:57:05 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Yorkshire Utimate players, Practice is now from 6:00pm at Hyde Park, on Tuesdays, in Leeds. Practice is on for tonight. Zaid ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -------------------------------------------------------- Dr Zaid Rawi Post Doctoral Researcher BP Chemicals Ltd ASL2, DL1A Hull Research & Technology Centre Salt End Hull E. Yorkshire HU12 8DS UK Tel: +44 (0)1482 892090 Fax: +44 (0)1482 892266 email: rawiz@bp.com From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Sep 9 16:18:57 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id PAA18690 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 15:57:34 +0100 (BST) Received: from gannet.scg.man.ac.uk (gannet.scg.man.ac.uk [130.88.94.110]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA18683 for ; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 15:57:31 +0100 (BST) Received: from fs1.scg.man.ac.uk ([130.88.94.100]) by gannet.scg.man.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #2) for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk id 0zGlgY-0003vL-01; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 15:57:30 +0100 Received: from UK-AC-MAN-SCG-FS1/SpoolDir by fs1.scg.man.ac.uk (Mercury 1.43); 9 Sep 98 15:57:30 GMT+1 Received: from SpoolDir by UK-AC-MAN-SCG-FS1 (Mercury 1.43); 9 Sep 98 15:57:27 GMT+1 From: "MDDPSBS3" Organization: University of Manchester, UK To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 15:57:25 GMT+1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Remove Address Reply-to: mddpsbs3@fs1.scg.man.ac.uk X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <1B97B25B95@fs1.scg.man.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Please remove this address from britdisc end From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Sep 9 17:10:31 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id QAA27383 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 16:53:40 +0100 (BST) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA27351 for ; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 16:53:33 +0100 (BST) Received: from [158.152.203.174] (helo=[158.152.203.174]) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 0zGmYk-0000cl-00 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 15:53:30 +0000 Subject: Wednesday night beer in London with Italians Date: Wed, 9 Sep 98 16:56:38 +0100 x-sender: ultimatum@pop3.demon.co.uk x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: Paul Hurt To: "BritDisc" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Message-Id: Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi all I don't mean to use BritDisc to organise my social life, but... I have Peldi from the Bologna Ultimate crowd staying at my place tonight. Peldi's also partly responsible for Paganello, and wholly responsible for "Ulti-links". And an all-round top bloke. We're going for a beer or two tonight (Wednesday) somewhere in central London - West End/Soho. If anyone would like to catch up with us, give me a call on my mobile (0370 918719) anytime to find out where we are. Cheers (literally). Might see you later. Paul --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Hurt Editor, Ultimatum Magazine, London, England editor@ultimatum.demon.co.uk Visit Ultimatum Online... http://www.ultimatum.demon.co.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sun Sep 13 10:40:15 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id KAA25462 for britdisc-outgoing; Sun, 13 Sep 1998 10:18:57 +0100 (BST) Received: from tea.uk.pw.com (tea.uk.pw.com [193.131.169.130]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA25457 for ; Sun, 13 Sep 1998 10:18:55 +0100 (BST) From: ian.stebbing@uk.pwcglobal.com Received: by tea.uk.pw.com; id KAA08736; Sun, 13 Sep 1998 10:16:49 +0100 Received: from olive.uk.pw.com(10.44.240.46) by tea.uk.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma008721; Sun, 13 Sep 98 10:16:47 +0100 Received: from intleursmtp10.uk.pw.com (intleursmtp10.gb.pw.com) by olive.uk.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0EZ7008AHTSGNQ@olive.uk.pw.com> for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Sun, 13 Sep 1998 10:17:05 +0100 (BST) Received: by intleursmtp10.uk.pw.com(Internal build - SMTP TEAM v1.2 hotfix3 (660.3 6-25-1998)) id 8025667E.00329700 ; Sun, 13 Sep 1998 10:12:34 +0100 Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 10:16:48 +0100 Subject: Nationals To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Message-id: <8025667E.00328C83.00@intleursmtp10.uk.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L GB@C&L INT@INTL Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id KAA25458 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk I have been given the following list of teams who qualified for Nationals this year. UTI Shotgun Catch 22 Chevron Action Flash Fluid Druids Headrush First Touch Red Sneeekys Red Shift Blue Arse Flies Violently Happy Superfly Mild Mannered Janitors Strange Blue Village People Could all these teams confirm their attendance OR NON-attendance by email please to CHUCKAWAY@AOL.COM Red Shift have since disbanded so Skunks are also invited, however I have heard that they do not wish to attend due to their freshers fair. Therefore could the following teams (shown in order) also let me know their availability Skunks Nightfever Sharks Jedi Those teams attending need to send a cheque for £92 (£80 + £12 BUF tax) payable to Ian Stebbing to: 28B Blenheim Road Westbury Park Bristol BS6 7JP Could you also send a team contact name and address to receive directions etc. PS I would rather receive 5 emails confirming attendance/non-attendance from each team than none so if you know what your team is doing and you are not sure we have been informed please send an email! Nationals TDs ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sun Sep 13 21:15:10 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id VAA10354 for britdisc-outgoing; Sun, 13 Sep 1998 21:03:31 +0100 (BST) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA10349 for ; Sun, 13 Sep 1998 21:03:29 +0100 (BST) Received: from [158.152.248.177] (helo=phidelta.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 0zIIMn-0000zL-00; Sun, 13 Sep 1998 20:03:25 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 20:36:37 +0100 To: BritDisc Cc: Merrick Cardew From: Wayne Retter Subject: Nationals - Qualifying Teams MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Trial Version 3.04 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk 1) Apologies for the late notifcation of this information. 2)BUF Outdoor Nationals 1998, Qualifying teams/Seedings list >From the final Tour Ranking, with each team dropping their worst (points) result, the qualifying teams/seeding for Nationals are: 01 UTI 02 Shotgun 03 Catch 22 04 Chevron Action Flash 05 Druids 06 Headrush 07 First Touch 08 Red I 09 Sneeekys 10 Red Shift 11 Blue Arse Flies 12 Violently Happy 13 Superfly 14 Mild Mannered Janitors (GB Juniors) 15 Strange Blue 16 Village People Reserves: 17 Skunks 18 Nightfever 19 Sharks 20 Jedi Notes: - There can be no UNROSTERED teams in DivA, There may be 2 UNROSTERED teams in DivB, The only UNROSTERED teams in the above list are Skunks and Sharks - Red Shift are disbanded, so we should bump everyone up and invite Skunks* - GB Juniors cannot enter (agreed pre-Tour as a part of their rostering concession) - *Skunks alledgedly won't come (freshers fayre!) Nightfever qualify. Any teams from the above listing that are unable to enter Nationals should contact many of the following as possible: Director of Competitions: amtsjh@amsta.leeds.ac.uk (Simon Hill) Tournament Directors: chuckaway@aol.com (Charlie Ben-Nathan + Ian Stebbing) U8C Rankings Officer: see details below (Wayne Retter) DON'T RELY JUST ON EMAIL - USE THE PHONE ---------------------------------------------------------------- Wayne Retter U8C Rankings Officer at home: 01737-242109 wayne@phidelta.demon.co.uk at work: 01737-273611 wayne_retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Sep 14 08:04:07 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id HAA21951 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 07:47:06 +0100 (BST) Received: from gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (ralf@gem [137.205.227.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA21926 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 07:47:04 +0100 (BST) Received: (from ralf@localhost) by gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA07469 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 07:47:01 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 07:47:01 +0100 (BST) From: Ranulf Doswell Message-Id: <199809140647.HAA07469@gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: BFDF Events Reminder Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk British Flying Disc Federation Disc Events Diary ------------------------------------------------ The events list can also be found at http://www.dcs.warwick.ac.uk/~ralf/bfdf/ ---------- Saturday 19th September 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Burnlaw, Horthumberland [Golf] Saturday 26th September 1998 Nationals 98 (2 days) @ Goldenhills Sports Ground, Bristol [Outdoor Ultimate] Top 16 teams from U8 Tour only. Contact Email chuckaway@aol.com TD Ian and Nancy Stebbing, Charlie, Ben, Nathan Saturday 10th October 1998 BDGA Doubles Matchplay Championships (2 days) @ Ashton Court, Bristol [Golf] Contact Bud Tilton Email raf.freire@bristol.ac.uk Phone (0117) 926 9855 Saturday 24th October 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Whitcombe, Dorset [Golf Handicap] Saturday 7th November 1998 BDGA Singles Matchplay (2 days) @ TBC [Golf] Contact Andy Lucey Email andy_lucey@cargill.com Phone 0181 767 6766 Saturday 28th November 1998 Red Co-ed Indoors (2 days) TBC @ Enderby Leisure Centre, Leicester. [Indoor Ultimate] Contact Leicester Ultimate Club (Red) Address PO Box 1075 Leicester LE2 1YQ Email red@ultimateweb.co.uk Phone 0116 2559638 (Ben Ravilious) Saturday 5th June 1999 Date reserved (2 days) ---------------------------------------------------------- British Flying Disc Federation Disc Events Diary http://www.dcs.warwick.ac.uk/~ralf/bfdf/ Ranulf Doswell, ralf@dcs.warwick.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Sep 15 13:25:20 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id NAA24089 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 13:04:05 +0100 (BST) Received: from ThamesWater.Co.Uk (mailhost.thameswater.co.uk [194.42.250.98]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA24077 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 13:04:00 +0100 (BST) From: Peter.Cotton@Thameswater.CO.UK Received: by ThamesWater.Co.Uk(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 (600.1 3-26-1998)) id 80256680.0041A20E ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 12:56:53 +0100 X-Lotus-FromDomain: THAMESWATER To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Message-ID: <80256680.00413B62.00@ThamesWater.Co.Uk> Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 13:04:21 +0100 Subject: Disc action in Reading Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Pete Cotton (one of The 22) has now reluctantly left Leeds and moved to Reading, so is keen to find other disc players in the local area for chuck arounds/games/ sharing lifts to tournaments. If anyone is out there, please give us a mail/call.... Pete Cotton temporary address: (between 2 weeks - 2 months) 2 Freshwater Road Reading, RG1 3NA 0118 926 6036 work no. 0118 923 7448 mail: peter.cotton@thameswater.co.uk Cheers Pete PS. Does/Will anyone know when the Bravo footage of Catch winning the British Open against Redlights will be shown? From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Sep 17 16:16:38 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id PAA24690 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 15:48:01 +0100 (BST) Received: from pp2.shef.ac.uk (pp2.shef.ac.uk [143.167.1.32]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA24667 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 15:47:57 +0100 (BST) Received: from [143.167.127.253] (helo=blackmoor.shef.ac.uk) by pp2.shef.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.02 #2) id 0zJfLd-0002x2-00 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 15:47:53 +0100 Received: from BLACKMOOR/SpoolDir by blackmoor.shef.ac.uk (Mercury 1.43); 17 Sep 98 15:47:53 +0100 Received: from SpoolDir by BLACKMOOR (Mercury 1.43); 17 Sep 98 15:47:39 +0100 From: "P.J.Coy" To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 15:47:38 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: playing in London X-mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.31 Message-ID: <1877F661EFC@blackmoor.shef.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hello all, I have a friend who has just moved to London, Hammersmith, and is looking to continue playing ultimate, so could you help us out with some contacts? Cheers Pete (PHat Eds) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Sep 17 21:04:04 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id UAA26835 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 20:47:11 +0100 (BST) Received: from mail.deloitte.co.uk ([194.88.95.3]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA26830 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 20:47:10 +0100 (BST) From: helen.myers@deloitte.co.uk Message-Id: Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 20:44:39 +0000 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk MIME-version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: TFS Gateway /310000000/310102502/310102532/300490599/ Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id UAA26831 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Dear all I am trying to track down a phone number for Debbie Million (Mild Mannered Janitors). If any one can help please can they drop me a line. Thanks Helen From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Sep 18 00:36:26 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id AAA10919 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 00:19:24 +0100 (BST) Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (imo22.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.66]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA10914 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 00:19:21 +0100 (BST) From: Chuckaway@aol.com Received: from Chuckaway@aol.com by imo22.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id IEWMa03120 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 19:18:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <491c08cb.360198cd@aol.com> Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 19:18:37 EDT To: Britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Nationals Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0.i for Windows sub 166 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Dear all, The following teams have confirmed their entry into Nationals: 1st Touch UTI Druids Headrush Sneeekys Superfly Shotgun Red Night Fever Catch 22 Strange Blue Blue Arse Flies We're still waiting to here from: Chevron Action Flash Village People VH Janitors We have reason to believe that at least one of these teams will withdraw, therefore we need to hear from Sharks and Jedi. If you are a rostered team please make sure that your rosters are up to date. If you are uncertain about any changes to your roster please confirm this with Simon Hill or Wayne Retter. So far we have received cheques from the following teams : Druids Sneeekys Headrush No team will be allowed to play until they have paid : ( . Ian/Nancy/Charlie From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sun Sep 20 22:23:36 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id WAA22769 for britdisc-outgoing; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 22:06:53 +0100 (BST) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA22764 for ; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 22:06:52 +0100 (BST) Received: from [158.152.203.174] (helo=[158.152.203.174]) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.03 #1) id 0zKqh1-0002zH-00 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 21:06:51 +0000 Subject: Fi's leaving party is tonight Date: Sun, 20 Sep 98 22:05:14 +0100 x-sender: ultimatum@pop3.demon.co.uk x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: Paul Hurt To: "BritDisc" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Message-Id: Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi all Fi asked me to post this to BD because she's off e-mail.... Fiona Sawers (she of Gynga Chaos player fame) leaves for Australia on Tuesday, where she will be working, playing Ultimate, and doubtless drinking a lot before returning next April. She's having a leaving do tonight (Monday) at "The Swiss Village" (which is a pub) in Muswell Hill, North London. The pub is somewhere near the roundabout in the centre of Muswell Hill. Apparently you can't miss it. If you'd like to come, she'd love to see you. Starting around 8.30 pm. See y'all there. Paul --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Hurt Editor, Ultimatum Magazine, London, England editor@ultimatum.demon.co.uk Visit Ultimatum Online... http://www.ultimatum.demon.co.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Sep 21 07:59:27 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id HAA24495 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 07:47:05 +0100 (BST) Received: from gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (ralf@gem [137.205.227.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA24488 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 07:47:02 +0100 (BST) Received: (from ralf@localhost) by gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA23120 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 07:47:02 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 07:47:02 +0100 (BST) From: Ranulf Doswell Message-Id: <199809210647.HAA23120@gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: BFDF Events Reminder Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk British Flying Disc Federation Disc Events Diary ------------------------------------------------ The events list can also be found at http://www.dcs.warwick.ac.uk/~ralf/bfdf/ ---------- Saturday 26th September 1998 Nationals 98 (2 days) @ Goldenhills Sports Ground, Bristol [Outdoor Ultimate] Top 16 teams from U8 Tour only. Contact Email chuckaway@aol.com TD Ian and Nancy Stebbing, Charlie, Ben, Nathan Saturday 10th October 1998 BDGA Doubles Matchplay Championships (2 days) @ Ashton Court, Bristol [Golf] Contact Bud Tilton Email raf.freire@bristol.ac.uk Phone (0117) 926 9855 Saturday 24th October 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Whitcombe, Dorset [Golf Handicap] Saturday 7th November 1998 BDGA Singles Matchplay (2 days) @ TBC [Golf] Contact Andy Lucey Email andy_lucey@cargill.com Phone 0181 767 6766 Saturday 28th November 1998 Red Co-ed Indoors (2 days) TBC @ Enderby Leisure Centre, Leicester. [Indoor Ultimate] Contact Leicester Ultimate Club (Red) Address PO Box 1075 Leicester LE2 1YQ Email red@ultimateweb.co.uk Phone 0116 2559638 (Ben Ravilious) Saturday 5th June 1999 Date reserved (2 days) ---------------------------------------------------------- British Flying Disc Federation Disc Events Diary http://www.dcs.warwick.ac.uk/~ralf/bfdf/ Ranulf Doswell, ralf@dcs.warwick.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Sep 21 11:41:40 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id LAA01495 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 11:27:39 +0100 (BST) Received: from src.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (ralf@src [137.205.227.132]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA01478 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 11:27:36 +0100 (BST) Received: (from ralf@localhost) by src.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA17679 for britdisc@csv; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 11:27:45 +0100 (BST) Received: from guardian.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (root@guardian [137.205.224.93]) by src.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA04194 for ; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 21:15:43 +0100 (BST) Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk [137.205.192.19]) by guardian.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA04118 for ; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 21:15:35 +0100 (BST) Received: from praseodumium.btinternet.com (praseodumium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.82]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA16146 for ; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 21:15:33 +0100 (BST) Received: from txleckuj [195.171.250.158] by praseodumium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 1.70 #1) id 0zKppm-0001NO-00; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 21:11:54 +0100 From: "D Pocklington" To: "Owner-Britdisc" Subject: Nationals - Bristol B&Bs Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 21:24:02 +0100 Message-ID: <000001bde4d4$9b70c2e0$9efaabc3@txleckuj> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Bristol is a little short on cheap B&Bs, especially in the vicinity of the tournament. The following is a list of Guest Houses used by our trainees when they come to Bristol on a training course, so they shouldn't be too expensive. Sorry I can't give prices but they should all be ok in terms of cleanliness etc. Clifton based hotels/guest houses - The Sunderland: 0117 973 7249 Toad Lodge: 0117 924 7080 The Washington: 0117 973 3980 The Clifton: 0117 973 6882 Seeleys: 0117 973 8544 Other guest houses within reasonable distance - Avonside: 0117 966 4544 Glanville: 0117 963 1634 Pembroke: 0117 966 2884 Raglan: 0117 966 2129 (all of these are on Coronation Road). All of them are no more than 20 minutes away from the tournament, DRIVING ACROSS TOWN in some instances, which is why it takes so long. If you want to try for a lie in on Sunday morning, try the Clifton based ones as they are nearer to the Tournament. In terms of going for something to eat etc in the evening, the tournament venue is very close to what is known as the (student) Golden Mile of bars, restaurants and clubs. But this will be VERY busy as next weekend is the first one of the term. Alternatively, it will be very easy to get buses into the City Centre, roughly five minutes by bus, (different from the shopping centre Broadmead). Here you will find a selection of good bars, restaurants, clubs, including some along the river front. Hope you find this useful Sarah F From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Sep 21 11:43:30 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id LAA01352 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 11:26:58 +0100 (BST) Received: from src.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (ralf@src [137.205.227.132]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA01346 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 11:26:56 +0100 (BST) Received: (from ralf@localhost) by src.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA17669 for britdisc@csv; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 11:27:05 +0100 (BST) From: Ralf Message-Id: <199809211027.LAA17669@src.dcs.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Anyone selling discs? To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 11:27:05 +0100 (BST) Reply-To: kevinbr@biols.susx.ac.uk X-Quote: Productivity is in the eye of the beholder. X-Quote: The closest to perfection a person ever comes is when they fill out a job application. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL35 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk ----- Forwarded message from owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk ----- Message-Id: From: kevinbr@biols.susx.ac.uk (Kevin Brooks) Subject: Anyone selling discs? To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 16:50:58 +0100 ( BST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL20] Content-Type: text Is anyone selling discs out there? I'd be looking for quite a few. Get in touch, Locks. ----- End of forwarded message from owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk ----- ____ ____ _ _ ____ .----------------------------------------. _\__ \ _\__ \ / \ / \\__/ | Ranulf Doswell | / \_/ /_ / \_/ \ / / / /___ | Department of Computer Science | \ __ \\ __ \\ \ _\ \\_/ |University of Warwick, COVENTRY, CV4 7AL| \ \ \ \\ \ \ \\ \__/ \\ \ | Phone: 01203 523296 Fax: 01203 525714 | \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \______/ \_/ `----------------------------------------' From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Sep 21 14:27:04 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id OAA27356 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 14:11:52 +0100 (BST) Received: from eugw1.bp.com (eugw1.bp.com [194.203.80.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA27343 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 14:11:49 +0100 (BST) Received: by eugw1.bp.com; id OAA08758; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 14:10:47 +0100 (BST) Received: from euimsx1(161.102.253.109) by eugw1 via smap (V2.1) id xma008224; Mon, 21 Sep 98 14:10:12 +0100 Received: by EUIMSX1 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 14:12:54 +0100 Message-ID: From: "Rawi, Zaid" To: "'Britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk'" Cc: "'rslack@bradford.ac.uk'" Subject: Yorkshire Ultimate Sessions Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 13:37:05 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Dear All, Practice will be in Leeds tomorrow (Tuesday 22/9/98) from 5:00pm onwards at Hyde Park. Turnout should be good with a fine selection of Janitors, Jedi's and assorted degenerates currently in the area. Zaid Mobile: 07771 534 597 P.S. Si Hill, go on, take a break from that thesis! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -------------------------------------------------------- Dr Zaid Rawi Post Doctoral Researcher BP Chemicals Ltd ASL2, DL1A Hull Research & Technology Centre Salt End Hull E. Yorkshire HU12 8DS UK Tel: +44 (0)1482 892090 Fax: +44 (0)1482 892266 email: rawiz@bp.com From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Sep 21 19:07:54 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id SAA07629 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 18:49:55 +0100 (BST) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA07621 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 18:49:54 +0100 (BST) Received: from [194.222.153.201] (helo=sdc1.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.03 #1) id 0zLA5v-0006Dg-00 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 17:49:52 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 18:48:03 +0100 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: Simon Church Subject: BUF AGM & EGM MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Version 3.02 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Attached below is the text of the minutes for the AGM of the BUF which was held at Eastbourne. (Anyone who wants an easier to read version e.g. Word document or RTF file let me know and I can e-mail it to you) -------------------------------------------- To let you know, there will be an EGM (Extraordinary General Meeting) of the BUF to be hed at the nationals to discuss three main topics: i) The election of the unelected BUF officials, namely: Treasurer Director of Competitions Masters co-ordinator ii) What to do in the face of the dissolution of the BFDF iii) What can be done to improve the standard of Ultimate at national level (eg changing the tour structure etc) I would ask anyone who has any interest at all in any of the above three topics to come to the EGM (which is always more fun/interesting than an AGM). It will be held at: BUF EGM Saturday 26th September, 8pm, 28B Blenheim Road, Westbury Park, Bristol, BS6 7JP (Ian Stebbings flat - phone 0117 9095162) If you have any items you feel should be added to the agenda, please contact the new BUF secretary - Ben Ravilious. ------------------------------------------------- Minutes of the Annual General Meeting of the British Ultimate Federation held on Friday 11th September 1998 at the Sandford Room, The Saffrons, Eastbourne Present:Kevin Lowe (Youth Co-ordinator/Chevron AF) ChairIan Scotland (National Director/Red)Jon Hope (Publicity/Catch 22) Tara Jewell (Womens Co-ordinator/Bliss) Dan Grayson (Druids) James Spicer (Sneeekys) Harry Golby (Chevron AF) Ben Ravillious (Red) Sammy Neilson (Chevron AF) Simon Church (Secretary/Red) Secretary John Phillips (Violently Happy) Simon Moore (Headrush) Simon Weeks (Student Co-ordinator/Phat Eds) Chris Hughes (Druids) Laura Pearce (Bliss) Meeting came to order at 8.20pm As an extra addition to the agenda, Sam Neilson requested to read a prepared statement regarding the British Flying Disc Federation, at the start of the AGM as the contents of the statement may affect decisions to be taken during the AGM. Statement on the Future of the BFDF. "It has been proposed to formally wind down the operations of the British Flying Disc Federation (BFDF) as there are insufficient people to sustain the organisation or its projects. While those who are currently in office still believe that there is an important role for such an umbrella organisation for Disc Sports, collectively we feel we are unable to commit sufficient time and energy to maintain its vital functions. For this reason, we intend to gather together all the associated BFDF materials so that the organisation may be re- born at a future date as and when deemed necessary. We would like to lodge a matching set of these materials with both the BUF and BDGA. It has been suggested that a sensible arrangement might be for the BUF and BDGA to retain a single Liaison Officer who could assist with joint Marketing and Development ventures. Arrangements for such a post should be co-ordinated by the National Directors of the BUF and BDGA. The BFDF AGM scheduled for 26 September 1998 in Bristol (to coincide with the BUF Outdoor Nationals) will deal with the formal dissolution of the BFDF." Action: It was decided to discuss the implications of the changes to the BFDF at an EGM to be held in Bristol during the Nationals on Saturday 26th September. 1. Officers Reports GB Masters team - Post is vacant. A mixed nationals team went to the Worlds, they came last but had a good time! GB Juniors team - Not present. Kevin reporting for Patch explained that he was standing down from the post. Overall the juniors had performed well at the Worlds in USA and came 4th. GB Womens team - Overall it was felt that the training for the women had worked O.K. They had not won much in the USA but had played hard. Open team - The playing had had some good points, although there was problems during the Venezuela game where an aggressive incident involving a player from either side had occurred. Overall GB had not done too well, but the experience gained by the players was good for the future. It was felt that the present system of choosing the GB squad should be retained. Si Hill was standing down. S/E Regional - No report S/W Regional - No report. Midlands - The Leicester summer league had worked quite well with players coming down from as far away as Sheffield, and that overall it had been a good year for Ultimate in the Midlands Northern - The Ultimate scene in Scotland was going on well, with attempts being made to introduce a student teams league, as well as an effort to have a mini league in the north (Leeds, Sheffield & Manchester) Students - Any students league would have to be arranged on a regional basis, and it was felt uncertain whether weekly games could be certain. The hold up to development was difficulties in funding as Ultimate was not recognised by BUSA, and this was a direct result of Ultimate still not being recognised by the Sports Council. It was requested that a letter of support and introduction from the BUF on headed paper be created to be available to anyone trying to gain recognition and set up a club at a college or university. Action: the BUF secretary to create such a letter Masters - No report Youth - It had not been a great year with a number of youth teams folding due to involved teachers moving jobs and other related reasons and there had been no junior outdoors this year. On the positive side there were a few more under 14 sides starting up and a total of 12-14 junior teams. It was also acting as a good feed to student teams leading to a general improvements in standards at this level. Womens - The numbers seem to be growing and overall things were going quite well. The problem was getting women into Women's Ultimate and more overall growth in this area was required. The Womens tour was still not feasible due to the present numbers playing. Competitions Director - Not present, but a report sent in reinforced the importance Si Hill felt should be placed on trying to separate indoor and outdoor tournaments and have a DOC for each. Publicity - There had been quite a bit of media awareness raising which had been of benefit to the sport but hadn't provided a direct increase in the intake of new players/teams. There had been several contacts regarding assistance required in the form of stuff to promote the sport which of course there is in abundance. The big scheme at present was the proposal to promote the sport via the World Clubs next year in St Andrews. The proposal was to make the event a fund-raising opportunity where individual players could raise money via sponsorship forms for the Big Issue Foundation (Scotland). This would result in expected wide publicity for both the sport and the charity angle and was felt a good idea. It was commented that it would be a good idea to look at contacts within the forthcoming Digital TV networks where a higher demand for more sports was likely. Secretary - Overall it had been a quiet year, with things ticking along nicely. Keeping the contact details up to date had seemed to work easier with using the WEB pages and database there, although as ever it was difficult to keep up to date details for student clubs. Treasurer - Sent apologies - see the finance section. National Director - Scott just referred people to the comments made in the article in the most recent Ultimatum 2. Election of Officers A proposal was raised to scrap the regional co-ordinators posts as it was felt that at present these positions were not working effectively in the manner originally envisioned and were at present unnecessary. Chris Hughes proposed and Simon Moore seconded. The motion was passed unanimously. Action: All regional co-ordinator posts to be dissolved Treasurer - postponed to EGM Secretary - Ben Ravilious Publicity - Jonathon Hope Womens - Tara Jewell Youth - Kevin Lowe Masters - postponed to EGM Students - Dave Barnyard Tournaments - postponed to EGM National Director - Laura Pearce President - In abeyance. 3. Finance A financial report would be ready for the EGM at the nationals, overall it was expected to break-even this year. 4. A.O.B. 5. Date of Next Meeting It was decided to hold an EGM to discuss matters relating to finance, the BFDF and Ultimatum. The EGM to be held on Saturday 26th September at 8pm at the Nationals in Bristol. 6. Toast to the Spirit of the Game. This was led by Scott, and the meeting closed at 9.47pm -- Simon Church From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Sep 22 00:55:31 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id AAA05609 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 00:43:14 +0100 (BST) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA05599 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 00:43:09 +0100 (BST) Received: from [158.152.248.177] (helo=phidelta.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.03 #1) id 0zLFbm-0005Ul-00 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 23:43:09 +0000 Message-ID: <2LcPaQAJMuB2EwOn@phidelta.demon.co.uk> Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 00:36:41 +0100 To: BritDisc From: Wayne Retter Subject: Fantasy Frisbee @ Eastbourne MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Trial Version 3.04 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Oi! Shipley! We know (by word of mouth) that Lee was the highest scoring player, but who was the 'manager' that actually won all that dosh (how much?) and which stars did (s)he chose? Wayne ---------------------------------------------------------------- Wayne Retter at home: 01737-242109 wayne@phidelta.demon.co.uk at work: 01737-273611 wayne_retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Sep 22 09:21:10 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id JAA05654 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 09:02:19 +0100 (BST) Received: from polaris.bmpddb.com (mailhost.bmpddb.com [193.130.32.70]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA05634 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 09:02:16 +0100 (BST) Received: by POLARIS with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 08:58:46 +0100 Message-ID: From: David Trovell To: "'Wayne Retter'" , BritDisc Subject: RE: Fantasy Frisbee @ Eastbourne Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 08:58:45 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id JAA05638 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk It was me!!!!!! I won the cash - not that much admittedly as not many people paid up but £25 is better than nothing. The team was Lee Del Harry Stu Jeff and the xlr8rs player who, even though I point blocked him, did me proud! The key to success was not picking any Shotgun players who were either too hammered or too busy eating burgers to play!! Well done to Catch - about bloody time. See you all at Nationals Dave. > -----Original Message----- > From: Wayne Retter [SMTP:wayne@phidelta.demon.co.uk] > Sent: 22 September 1998 00:37 > To: BritDisc > Subject: Fantasy Frisbee @ Eastbourne > > Oi! Shipley! > > We know (by word of mouth) that Lee was the highest scoring player, but > who was the 'manager' that actually won all that dosh (how much?) and > which stars did (s)he chose? > > Wayne > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > Wayne Retter > at home: 01737-242109 wayne@phidelta.demon.co.uk > at work: 01737-273611 wayne_retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Sep 22 11:28:29 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id LAA26427 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 11:11:50 +0100 (BST) Received: from gatekeeper.cmht.nwest.nhs.uk (gatekeeper.cmht.nwest.nhs.uk [193.60.159.61]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA26397 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 11:11:42 +0100 (BST) Received: by gatekeeper.cmht.nwest.nhs.uk; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA32202; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 11:11:44 +0100 Received: from pers.cmht.nwest.nhs.uk (pers.cmht.nwest.nhs.uk [159.170.196.35]) by mar003.cmht.nwest.nhs.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA28537 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 11:19:20 +0100 (BST) Received: from MRI_PERS/SpoolDir by pers.cmht.nwest.nhs.uk (Mercury 1.40); 22 Sep 98 11:06:49 BST Received: from SpoolDir by MRI_PERS (Mercury 1.40); 22 Sep 98 11:06:35 BST From: "Harry Golby" Organization: Central Manchester Healthcare Trust To: BritDisc Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 11:06:34 BST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Fantasy Frisbee @ Eastbourne In-Reply-To: <2LcPaQAJMuB2EwOn@phidelta.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v3.01a) Message-Id: <1C656F52055@pers.cmht.nwest.nhs.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk > Oi! Shipley! > > We know (by word of mouth) that Lee was the highest scoring player, but > who was the 'manager' that actually won all that dosh (how much?) and > which stars did (s)he chose? > > Wayne And how bad was Colin? H Harry Golby Email:HGOLBY@PERS.CMHT.NWEST.NHS.UK Phone: 0161 276 4904 (W) Fax: 0161 276 4980 From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Sep 22 11:56:30 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id LAA01913 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 11:40:22 +0100 (BST) Received: from amsta.leeds.ac.uk (amsta.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA01887 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 11:40:19 +0100 (BST) Received: from legendre.leeds.amsta (legendre.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.63]) by amsta.leeds.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA14152 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 11:40:59 +0100 (BST) Received: by legendre.leeds.amsta (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA07195; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 11:39:22 +0100 Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 11:39:22 +0100 From: amtsjh@amsta.leeds.ac.uk (S J Hill) Message-Id: <199809221039.LAA07195@legendre.leeds.amsta> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: NATIONALS eligibility X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk There seems to be some confusion. 1. Teams that break the roster rules can expect to be disqualified (possibly *AFTER* the event). Consider your position at WUCC! 2. Teams adding new players to their roster must inform me (on paper/by email) before the event. 3. Unrostered players can of course be rostered to a team at any time up to the beginning of the tourney. 4. The GUEST rule. You do not need to inform me, or check with me, about any GUEST player that you might be having on your team for Nationals. But be sure that you are not breaking the rules, (eg by having two guest players). Usually, if a team breaks the rules somebody notices. If a team needs to be disqualified after the event then so be it. 5. Players can *NOT* change rosters. If you are rostered with a team, then you *MUST* play with that team at Nationals. NOTE: a) players rostered to teams that either didn't qualify or are not attending are free to play at Nationals for another team under the GUEST rule. (Only one GUEST per team.) b) Red Shift have disbanded, due to difficulties with numbers. They informed the U8Committee of this immediately after Tour V. It was felt that this was an 'exceptional circumstance' and therefore those players have been allowed to move from the RedShift roster. Ie - Red Shift players can be considered as unrostered. NB- this does not mean that any team deciding to say that it has "officially disbanded" will be treated in the same way. In particular you cannot 'disband' for Nationals, and miraculously re-appear at the beginning of next season (SOTG applies). 6. FOREIGN PLAYERS Previous Foreign player rules were recinded, and replaced by the rules governing TOUR AND NATIONALS. A player is considered UK-resident (for the Tour) if they have been living in the UK (that is here to live, work, etc) since April 1st. For Nationals, the same applies, but the date is July 1st. A 'strictly foreign' player - ie who has just arrived, or is just passing through - is free to play for a team as the GUEST player. 7. Spirit of the Game applies to these rules just as much as the other rules of ultimate. 8. I have work to do. Try looking up the web-page to check the rules: http://www.phidelta.demon.co.uk/u8-98/index.htm Then check with me if you aren't sure. (Also every team received a copy of those rules in February.) Phone: 0113 233 5175 (This is the office phone - and I'm here every night until 1 or 2 am - altho' sometimes in computer room which has no phone. Ring as late as you like - you won't disturb anyone.) Si ps - what a legendary victory in Eastbourne! what a shame I was here... From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Sep 22 12:00:56 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id LAA05318 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 11:54:17 +0100 (BST) Received: from dirc.bris.ac.uk (dirc.bris.ac.uk [137.222.10.51]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA05311 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 11:54:15 +0100 (BST) Received: from sis.bris.ac.uk by dirc.bris.ac.uk with SMTP-PRIV (PP) with ESMTP; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 11:54:09 +0100 Received: from lang-ah27.lang.bris.ac.uk (lang-ah27.lang.bris.ac.uk [137.222.156.132]) by sis.bris.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA01603; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 11:52:26 +0100 (BST) From: Raf Freire Reply-To: raf.freire@Bristol.ac.uk To: Harry Golby cc: BritDisc Subject: Re: Fantasy Frisbee @ Eastbourne In-Reply-To: <1C656F52055@pers.cmht.nwest.nhs.uk> Message-ID: Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 11:51:12 +0100 (British Summer Time) Delivery-Receipt-To: Raf Freire X-Mailer: Simeon for Win32 Version 4.1 Build (3) X-Authentication: IMSP MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk On Tue, 22 Sep 1998 11:06:34 BST Harry Golby wrote: > > And how bad was Colin? I would like to pre-empt any misunderstanding arising from Harry's comment to clarify that what Harry obviously meant was "and how bad was Colin at the fantasy Frisbee" The use of the Word "Bad" clearly reflects Colin's score RELATIVE to Dave Trovell's, which, as Colin didn't win the cash, was, by definition, "bad". Absolutely no reference to Colin's inability to complete a large majority of his passes during the aforementioned game was intended. Rafi (22- applying to become Mr Clinton's advisor). From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Sep 22 18:57:28 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id SAA10741 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 18:41:36 +0100 (BST) Received: from pathway.btX400.co.uk (pathway.btX400.co.uk [193.113.148.3]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA10732; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 18:41:32 +0100 (BST) X400-Originator: COLIN.WAGSTAFF@TRADEINDEMNITY.btX400.co.uk X400-Recipients: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk , britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk X400-MTS-Identifier: [/PRMD=BT-INTERNET/ADMD=BT/C=GB/;0000430003005161000002L312] X400-Content-Type: P2-1988 (22) Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 15:44:00 +0100 From: WAGSTAFF COLIN To: Harry Golby , ", DDA.RFC-822:britdisc-owner(a)csv.warwick.ac.uk, P:BT-INTERNET" Cc: BritDisc Subject: RE:Re: Fantasy Frisbee @ Eastbourne Message-ID: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Rafi wrote: >Absolutely no reference to Colin's inability to complete >a large majority of his passes during the aforementioned >game was intended. As a certain Mr Jackson once said, "once the disc has left your hand the responsibility for the completion of the pass is completely with the receiver" It's not my fault that certain members of the Ultimate playing community are not accustomed to fetching my passes! They ought to run faster! Col. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Sep 22 19:26:30 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id TAA13560 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 19:05:18 +0100 (BST) Received: from boober.lineone.net (boober-be.lineone.net [194.75.152.84]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA13549 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 19:05:16 +0100 (BST) Received: from uxledkvk (host5-171-227-232.btinternet.com [195.171.227.232]) by boober.lineone.net (8.8.5/8.8.0) with ESMTP id TAA10212 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 19:04:44 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199809221804.TAA10212@boober.lineone.net> Reply-To: From: "Chaseframe" To: Subject: new student team in London Hopefully Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 19:08:37 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi I am just starting uni at Kings college London and am looking to start a new team. I am not amazingly experienced so anybody with any advice or is at the uni of London or who lives in London who might be interested in giving me a hand could you contact me. How can I get a new team pack from the BUF? And just to be annoying has anyone got a contact for Locks from Mohawks / Shotgun and chucky from Mohawks. Love Spud From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Sep 23 01:52:49 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id BAA19709 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 01:32:39 +0100 (BST) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA19704 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 01:32:37 +0100 (BST) Received: from [158.152.248.177] (helo=phidelta.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.03 #1) id 0zLcrE-0002Ig-00 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 00:32:36 +0000 Message-ID: <+hdtAAABAEC2Ew1z@phidelta.demon.co.uk> Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 01:25:37 +0100 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: Wayne Retter Subject: Re: Fantasy Frisbee @ Eastbourne In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Trial Version 3.04 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk WAGSTAFF COLIN writes: >As a certain Mr Jackson once said, "once the disc has left your hand the >responsibility for the completion of the pass is completely with the receiver" I believe the quote is actually "Once the disc has left the thrower's hand it is no longer his responsibility", but I, too could be wrong... Anyway, Mr Jackson (why this formality?) finished with more plus points than you! >It's not my fault that certain members of the Ultimate playing community are not >accustomed to fetching my passes! They ought to run faster! Well, your boys are working on the fitness thing, but I doubt you'll get any twenty foot tall receivers (especially ones who can jump) Wayne ---------------------------------------------------------------- Wayne Retter at home: 0181-663-4856 wayne@phidelta.demon.co.uk mobile: 07970-903420 at work: 01737-273611 wayne_retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Sep 23 08:20:26 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id IAA17497 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 08:02:07 +0100 (BST) Received: from newsgate.dircon.co.uk (newsgate.dircon.co.uk [194.112.32.81]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA17490 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 08:02:04 +0100 (BST) Received: from dmotive.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by newsgate.dircon.co.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with UUCP id IAA29578 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 08:02:03 +0100 (BST) Date: 22 Sep 98 19:48:17 +0100 From: Jonathan Schofield Subject: RE>RE:Re: Fantasy Frisbee @ Eastbourne To: WAGSTAFF COLIN CC: BritDisc Message-ID: <980922.194817@designmotive.co.uk> X-Mailer: InterCall 1.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id IAA17491 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Colin wrote: "once the disc has left your hand the responsibility for the completion of the pass is completely with the receiver" It's not my fault that certain members of the Ultimate playing community are not accustomed to fetching my passes! They ought to run faster! But Colin, Surely a pull constitues a pass, and you didn't even have to run for it! Jonathan Schofield Still Shotgun From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Sep 24 09:00:07 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id IAA20314 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 08:40:02 +0100 (BST) Received: from cliftonm.clifton-college.avon.sch.uk ([193.130.87.196]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA20297 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 08:39:59 +0100 (BST) Received: by CLIFTONM with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 18:48:22 +0100 Message-ID: From: Charlie Ben-Nathan To: "'britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk'" Subject: Nationals - Wildcard entry Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 18:48:20 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Dear all It seems that we only currently have fifteen teams for the 1998 National Outdoors. There is therefore the opportunity for one more team to enter at this late stage. If you are interested please e-mail us at chuckaway@aol.com. We will be giving priority to those teams that are higher up the rankings. (If you know that you were ranked in 20 -24 you have a very good chance!) Please let us know ASAP deadline 7.00 a.m. Friday morning START TIMES Captains' meeting 9.00 a.m. for all teams playing in the first slot. All top eight teams will be playing in the first slot. Other teams will be told (via Britdisc) after 7.oo a.m. Friday morning. That's all for now ; ) Charlie and Ian From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Sep 24 13:54:00 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id NAA05987 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 13:35:26 +0100 (BST) Received: from amsta.leeds.ac.uk (amsta.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA05975 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 13:35:20 +0100 (BST) Received: from matrix.leeds.amsta (matrix.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.17]) by amsta.leeds.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA27980; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 13:35:58 +0100 (BST) Received: by matrix.leeds.amsta (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id NAA20499; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 13:33:25 +0100 Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 13:33:25 +0100 From: amtsjh@amsta.leeds.ac.uk (S J Hill) Message-Id: <199809241233.NAA20499@matrix.leeds.amsta> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Ultimate Cc: lo0943@cnsvax.albany.edu X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi BDers Can somebody help out Loren (see below) with some info please. I just don't have any time right now!! Si ----- Begin Included Message ----- >From LO0943@cnsvax.albany.edu Thu Sep 24 13:28:39 1998 Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 08:29:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Ralph Subject: Ultimate To: amtsjh@amsta.leeds.ac.uk MIME-version: 1.0 I got your email address from a friend of mine Aaron Pastor who spent last year at Oxford studying. That may mean nothing to you but he gave me your name as someone to contact about ultimate in Brittian and any related info. I am studying in Spain until December and am very deprived of ultimate here. I was just wondering when there are any upcoming tournaments and whether or not I could possible get to play in them. If not then where is there ultimate around London because I have a friend there so staying there would be probably be easiest for me. I tried subscribing to the Britdisc mailing list but I was unsuccessfull in doing so. Could possibly help me in getting in tune with that also? Thanks for any help in advance. Loren O'Hara ----- End Included Message ----- From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Sep 24 21:25:29 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id VAA11465 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 21:10:26 +0100 (BST) Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (imo14.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.4]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA11445 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 21:10:19 +0100 (BST) From: Chuckaway@aol.com Received: from Chuckaway@aol.com by imo14.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id IEQHa18748 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 16:09:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <43c82af.360aa6ff@aol.com> Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 16:09:35 EDT To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: nationals Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0.i for Windows sub 166 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Here are the directions for those of you who haven't seen them from your captains. Sorry, no map. There are also a few B&Bs listed on the Bristol City Web Site at http://www.travel-uk.com/cgi-bin/catch2.cgi. In order to get to the ground try following the following directions. >From the M5: Take junction 16 and head into Bristol on the A38. You will get to a small- ish roundabout (the second ?) with the A4174 going off to the left to Filton. Carry on though, straight over the roundabout and stay on the A38. See **** >From the M4: Take junction 19 off the M4 onto the M32. Come off immediately at junction 1, literally 200 yards down the M32. Turn right at the roundabout following signs for Filton (A4174). Go over one roundabout and through about four sets of light to the second roundabout, this will be the junction with the A38. Turn left onto the A38 heading south to Bristol City Centre. See **** Everybody **** On the A38 heading south you will pass some sports fields on your right with a grey sports hall with coloured panels on the side. After the sports hall you will see a common on the right a bit further on. You should also see a road leading off to the right going around the bottom of the common. Take this road it should be Kellaway Avenue. Go straight through the first set of traffic lights, and turn right at the second set into Lime Trees Road. You will come to a small roundabout with Tescos on the left and the Sports Ground in front of you. Park in the sports ground or in the Tescos car park. Hope this is of some use. Panic phone number is 0117 909 5162 if you need more information urgently. Charlie From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Sep 24 21:26:00 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id VAA11469 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 21:10:27 +0100 (BST) Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (imo13.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.3]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA11457 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 21:10:24 +0100 (BST) From: Chuckaway@aol.com Received: from Chuckaway@aol.com by imo13.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id IFTFa13873 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 16:09:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <5d0922b7.360aa6fc@aol.com> Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 16:09:32 EDT To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: nationals Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0.i for Windows sub 166 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Here are the directions for those of you who haven't seen them from your captains. Sorry, no map. There are also a few B&Bs listed on the Bristol City Web Site at http://www.travel-uk.com/cgi-bin/catch2.cgi. In order to get to the ground try following the following directions. >From the M5: Take junction 16 and head into Bristol on the A38. You will get to a small- ish roundabout (the second ?) with the A4174 going off to the left to Filton. Carry on though, straight over the roundabout and stay on the A38. See **** >From the M4: Take junction 19 off the M4 onto the M32. Come off immediately at junction 1, literally 200 yards down the M32. Turn right at the roundabout following signs for Filton (A4174). Go over one roundabout and through about four sets of light to the second roundabout, this will be the junction with the A38. Turn left onto the A38 heading south to Bristol City Centre. See **** Everybody **** On the A38 heading south you will pass some sports fields on your right with a grey sports hall with coloured panels on the side. After the sports hall you will see a common on the right a bit further on. You should also see a road leading off to the right going around the bottom of the common. Take this road it should be Kellaway Avenue. Go straight through the first set of traffic lights, and turn right at the second set into Lime Trees Road. You will come to a small roundabout with Tescos on the left and the Sports Ground in front of you. Park in the sports ground or in the Tescos car park. Hope this is of some use. Panic phone number is 0117 909 5162 if you need more information urgently. Charlie From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Sep 25 00:01:08 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id XAA26659 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 23:44:27 +0100 (BST) Received: from tea.uk.pw.com (tea.uk.pw.com [193.131.169.130]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA26654 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 23:44:24 +0100 (BST) From: ian.stebbing@uk.pwcglobal.com Received: by tea.uk.pw.com; id XAA08420; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 23:08:53 +0100 Received: from olive.uk.pw.com(10.44.240.46) by tea.uk.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma008276; Thu, 24 Sep 98 23:08:26 +0100 Received: from intleursmtp10.uk.pw.com ([10.44.240.44]) by olive.uk.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0EZT00EV16UNT1@olive.uk.pw.com>; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 23:08:47 +0100 (BST) Received: by intleursmtp10.uk.pw.com(Internal build - SMTP TEAM v1.2 hotfix3 (660.3 6-25-1998)) id 80256689.00792D65 ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 23:03:34 +0100 Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 23:07:04 +0100 Subject: Nationals - Times, Pools etc To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Cc: Chuckaway@aol.com Message-id: <80256689.0079300B.00@intleursmtp10.uk.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L GB@C&L INT@INTL Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Here are the pools for the first round Pool A Pool B UTI Shotgun Catch 22 Chevron AF Headrush Druids Red First Touch Pool C Pool D Sneeekys BAF Superfly Mild Mannered Janitors Village People Strange Blue Jedi Nightfever (Jedi please still confirm your attendance) For pools A, B & C captains' meeting at 9.00am games start at 9.30. You will need a represenative to obtain a schedule and score sheets etc. For Pool D captains' meeting at 11.00am games start at 11.30am. We have done this to try and make life as easy for the majority of players. Changing rooms will be open from 9.00am each day. Additional changing rooms will be made available from 4.30pm each day. Expect to change pitches every game! The pitches are all close to each other. Full details of game lengths, caps etc. will be made available at the captains' meetings. Ian, Nancy & Charlie ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Sep 25 17:20:43 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id RAA01536 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 17:00:59 +0100 (BST) Received: from hotmail.com (f228.hotmail.com [207.82.251.119]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA01505 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 17:00:50 +0100 (BST) Received: (qmail 29824 invoked by uid 0); 25 Sep 1998 16:00:14 -0000 Message-ID: <19980925160014.29823.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 195.219.17.99 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 09:00:14 PDT X-Originating-IP: [195.219.17.99] From: "Paul Ruff" To: Britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Junior Indoor Fixtures? Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 09:00:14 PDT Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Dear all, One year on... my school team are now in year 9 (14 years old) and would like some indoor fixtures this season. Can anyone help? Will there be a junior national indoor competition? Paul Ruff Teacher of P.E St. Peters High School, Exeter. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Sep 25 18:01:00 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id RAA08741 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 17:44:34 +0100 (BST) Received: from lily (tsuil@lily-fddi [137.205.4.3]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA08736 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 17:44:32 +0100 (BST) Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 17:44:31 +0100 (BST) From: Mr C M Gage X-Sender: tsuil@lily To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Warwick Practices? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Does anyone know if anything is going on at warwick before term starts? Cheers, Chris. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Sep 25 18:33:42 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id SAA13389 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 18:12:31 +0100 (BST) Received: from shrimp.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (ralf@shrimp [137.205.227.130]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA13379 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 18:12:28 +0100 (BST) Received: (from ralf@localhost) by shrimp.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA04382 for britdisc@csv; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 18:12:27 +0100 (BST) From: Ralf Message-Id: <199809251712.SAA04382@shrimp.dcs.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Warwick Practices? In-Reply-To: from Mr C M Gage at "Sep 25, 98 05:44:31 pm" To: tsuil@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr C M Gage) Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 18:09:51 +0100 (BST) X-Quote: Productivity is in the eye of the beholder. X-Quote: The closest to perfection a person ever comes is when they fill out a job application. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL35 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk > Does anyone know if anything is going on at warwick before term starts? > > Cheers, Chris. No, there won't be. We've had weekly "practices" for most of the summer, but over the last 4-6 weeks, the turnout has been appalling - usually about 3 or 4, despite having glorious weather every night. As a result, I've told the few who did keep coming on a regular basis not to bother as it was efefctively just wasting their time, and wait until term time for regular practices. It's a shame, but if people can't be bothered to put in the effort to turn up, then it's not going to happen. Apologies to those who did always turn up... Ralf. ____ ____ _ _ ____ .----------------------------------------. _\__ \ _\__ \ / \ / \\__/ | Ranulf Doswell | / \_/ /_ / \_/ \ / / / /___ | Department of Computer Science | \ __ \\ __ \\ \ _\ \\_/ |University of Warwick, COVENTRY, CV4 7AL| \ \ \ \\ \ \ \\ \__/ \\ \ | Phone: 01203 523296 Fax: 01203 525714 | \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \______/ \_/ `----------------------------------------' From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sat Sep 26 11:23:45 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id LAA23870 for britdisc-outgoing; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 11:09:35 +0100 (BST) Received: from monsoon.dial.pipex.net (monsoon.dial.pipex.net [158.43.128.69]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA23839 for ; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 11:09:31 +0100 (BST) Received: (qmail 6062 invoked from network); 26 Sep 1998 10:09:30 -0000 Received: from userp114.uk.uudial.com (HELO vik) (193.149.91.113) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 26 Sep 1998 10:09:30 -0000 Message-ID: <000901bde935$b38331a0$715b95c1@vik> Reply-To: "Richard Hims" From: "Richard Hims" To: "BRITDISC" Subject: Discs for sale Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 10:47:21 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01BDE93B.0A254980" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BDE93B.0A254980 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi! 'Am posting this message on behalf of a mate who's looking to buy a disc = before 9th October. He will be in Brighton as of Monday 28th September. Please contact me = at this e-mail if any of ???????? can provide him with a disc. Cheers Rich, Janitors ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BDE93B.0A254980 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi!
 
'Am posting this message on behalf = of a mate=20 who's looking to buy a disc before 9th October.
 
He will be in Brighton as of Monday = 28th=20 September.  Please contact me at this e-mail if any of ???????? can = provide=20 him with a disc.
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BDE93B.0A254980-- From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sat Sep 26 11:23:52 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id LAA24014 for britdisc-outgoing; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 11:09:57 +0100 (BST) Received: from monsoon.dial.pipex.net (monsoon.dial.pipex.net [158.43.128.69]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA23992 for ; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 11:09:54 +0100 (BST) Received: (qmail 6095 invoked from network); 26 Sep 1998 10:09:50 -0000 Received: from userp114.uk.uudial.com (HELO vik) (193.149.91.113) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 26 Sep 1998 10:09:50 -0000 Message-ID: <001301bde935$bf5ca420$715b95c1@vik> Reply-To: "Richard Hims" From: "Richard Hims" To: "BRITDISC" Subject: Discs for sale Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 11:09:27 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000E_01BDE93E.201DA5E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01BDE93E.201DA5E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi! =20 'Am posting this message on behalf of a mate who's looking to buy a disc = before 9th October. =20 He will be in Brighton as of Monday 28th September. Please contact me = at this e-mail if any of Mohawks can provide him with a disc. =20 Cheers =20 Rich, Janitors ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01BDE93E.201DA5E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi!
 
'Am posting this message on behalf = of a mate=20 who's looking to buy a disc before 9th October.
 
He will be in Brighton as of Monday = 28th=20 September.  Please contact me at this e-mail if any of Mohawks can = provide=20 him with a disc.
 
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------=_NextPart_000_000E_01BDE93E.201DA5E0-- From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sun Sep 27 17:39:19 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id RAA06919 for britdisc-outgoing; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 17:24:41 +0100 (BST) Received: from boober.lineone.net (boober-be.lineone.net [194.75.152.84]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA06901 for ; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 17:24:39 +0100 (BST) Received: from uxledkvk (host5-99-43-124.btinternet.com [195.99.43.124]) by boober.lineone.net (8.8.5/8.8.0) with ESMTP id RAA21645 for ; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 17:24:08 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199809271624.RAA21645@boober.lineone.net> Reply-To: From: "Chaseframe" To: Subject: se student league Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 17:28:03 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk HI Does anyone know what is happenning about this years se student league now that sickboy has left college for the year? I'm willing to lend a helping hand. plus I have lost all my e-mail addresses due to a shit computer please could all my chums contact me just to say hello and so I have their address. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Sep 28 08:02:24 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id HAA22385 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 07:47:09 +0100 (BST) Received: from gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (ralf@gem [137.205.227.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA22365 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 07:47:02 +0100 (BST) Received: (from ralf@localhost) by gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA06909 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 07:47:01 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 07:47:01 +0100 (BST) From: Ranulf Doswell Message-Id: <199809280647.HAA06909@gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: BFDF Events Reminder Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk British Flying Disc Federation Disc Events Diary ------------------------------------------------ The events list can also be found at http://www.dcs.warwick.ac.uk/~ralf/bfdf/ ---------- Saturday 10th October 1998 BDGA Doubles Matchplay Championships (2 days) @ Ashton Court, Bristol [Golf] Contact Bud Tilton Email raf.freire@bristol.ac.uk Phone (0117) 926 9855 Saturday 17th October 1998 Women's Nationals (2 days) @ Oxford [Women's Ultimate] Contact Tara Jewell Email 97315250@brookes.ac.uk Phone 01865 246158 Contact Emma-Jayne Slater Email Emma-Jayne.Slater@gartner.com Saturday 24th October 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Whitcombe, Dorset [Golf Handicap] Saturday 7th November 1998 BDGA Singles Matchplay (2 days) @ TBC [Golf] Contact Andy Lucey Email andy_lucey@cargill.com Phone 0181 767 6766 Saturday 28th November 1998 Red Co-ed Indoors (2 days) TBC @ Enderby Leisure Centre, Leicester. [Indoor Ultimate] Contact Leicester Ultimate Club (Red) Address PO Box 1075 Leicester LE2 1YQ Email red@ultimateweb.co.uk Phone 0116 2559638 (Ben Ravilious) Saturday 5th June 1999 Date reserved (2 days) ---------------------------------------------------------- British Flying Disc Federation Disc Events Diary http://www.dcs.warwick.ac.uk/~ralf/bfdf/ Ranulf Doswell, ralf@dcs.warwick.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Sep 28 10:32:12 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id KAA12928 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 10:16:06 +0100 (BST) Received: from dirc.bris.ac.uk (dirc.bris.ac.uk [137.222.10.51]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA12922 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 10:16:05 +0100 (BST) Received: from sis.bris.ac.uk by dirc.bris.ac.uk with SMTP-PRIV (PP) with ESMTP; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 10:15:40 +0100 Received: from lang-ah27.lang.bris.ac.uk (lang-ah27.lang.bris.ac.uk [137.222.156.132]) by sis.bris.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA25200 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 10:14:03 +0100 (BST) From: Raf Freire Reply-To: raf.freire@Bristol.ac.uk To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Doubles Matchplay Message-ID: Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 10:12:48 +0100 (British Summer Time) Delivery-Receipt-To: Raf Freire X-Mailer: Simeon for Win32 Version 4.1 Build (3) X-Authentication: IMSP MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id KAA12923 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk For those that didn't get enough of Bristol last week-end... Doubles matchplay championships 10/11 oct Ashton court, Bristol Enter by sending a cheque for £10 per pair payable to NW Pickett before the 3rd oct, or expect to pay a £2 surcharge. NW Pickett 10 christina terrace Merchants road hotwells BS8 4QB tel: 0117 9268055 Rafi (BDGA comps director) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Sep 28 13:44:59 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id NAA14241 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 13:18:01 +0100 (BST) Received: from brookes.ac.uk (csmail.brookes.ac.uk [161.73.1.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA14224 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 13:17:57 +0100 (BST) Received: from 97315250 by brookes.ac.uk (8.8.7/) id NAA25862; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 13:17:53 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 13:17:53 +0100 (BST) From: jewell tara s <97315250@brookes.ac.uk> Message-Id: <199809281217.NAA25862@brookes.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Brookes Windows Client ver. 4.2b To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Women's outdoor nationals Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Women's Outdoor Nationals 17/18th October (NB a week later than originally planned). Headington Girls School, Headington, Oxford (same venue as Women's Indoor). 50.00 pounds per team (including BUF tax) by 10th October. Payable to: Tara Jewell 10 Tyndale Road Oxford OX4 1JL 01865 246158 If you haven't got a team to play for or enough people to field a team then let me know as team mergers/pick-up teams can be organised - preferably in advance of the tournament. Invites will be going out tonight via snail mail to previous women team contacts. Limited floor space at Oxford players houses. Hope to see you there. Tara Jewell From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Sep 28 13:56:32 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id NAA16884 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 13:35:07 +0100 (BST) Received: from exchpk02.chelt.ac.uk (exchpk02.chelt.ac.uk [194.66.194.6]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA16876 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 13:35:05 +0100 (BST) Received: by exchpk02.chelt.ac.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 13:35:18 +0100 Message-ID: <8102C4585310D211858D0060B01A41330A38D2@exchpk02.chelt.ac.uk> From: "HUGHES, Chris" To: "'Britdisc'" Subject: Director of Competions Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 13:35:11 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hello people, Chris Hughes; your new DoC here; with just a couple of things to say / ask. Thanks to Si Hill for putting in all the work to get the tour up and running, and almost single handedly improving the standard of British Ultimate over the last couple of years (Congrats. for also helping Catch win Nationals). Si is still going to deal with any issues hanging on from the past year that need sorting and is still going to be assisting myself and Norm (aka Andy Tucker from UTI as Tour Director) with next year. But part of the deal is that he didn't want to get all the hassle at tournaments and at work, so stop hassling him - he's done his time - hassle me instead. Ok on to next year, both indoors and outdoors; First off - now that the tour / Nationals is over I need opinions from people and (serious) suggestions on how it can be improved. All sensible ideas will be listened to - although I can't guarantee that they will all be taken up. I don't want to hear from just the teams that went to Nationals; I want suggestions from any one involved in the series, on aspects of rostering / guests, tournament requirements, A and B tours, seeding, and any aspect that you might think needs improving or changing. Indoors; I need TD's interested in organising Regionals during early March / late February and Nationals in mid March. Don't worry about the logistics or your location at this stage - just mail me if you fancy hosting a tournament; we may not be simply limited to the basic 5 regions - we may move to a basic qualifying tournament structure. This needs to be done as soon as possible so that the rest of the season can be planned around it. Tour TD's; We need at least five proposals from TD's for the tour events next year. Venues are now expected to be better, which can only be sorted if we start now. I am particularly interested in getting a wider geographical spread of venues - with at least one event up north. Any interested teams or individuals can contact me for more information. Expect tour events to fit between late march / early April and run up to July. I am hoping to get this sorted well before Christmas so start thinking and planning your bids NOW. I suggest that you are flexible with dates at this stage. I also want to know from present Tour TD's whether they are interested in hosting an event next year. Similarly I need bids for National Outdoors, 99. This will take place at end of September as this year. We will be wanting a venue with at least 8 pitches, and preferably more to accommodate more than just the top 16 teams. To all other TD's, if you are planning something that may conflict with these events please let me know as soon as possible so that we can avoid clashes. Finally Si Weeks / Dave Barnard I need your contact info so that we sort the student events into this timetable as well. Thanks, and I hope to hear your comments soon Chris NEW ADDRESS 81 Bittern Avenue Abbeydale Gloucester Glos GL4 4WG Tel; 01452 380529 (h) 01242 543299 (w) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Sep 28 14:34:43 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id OAA22780 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 14:12:09 +0100 (BST) Received: from europa.bton.ac.uk (europa.bton.ac.uk [194.83.112.9]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA22751 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 14:12:02 +0100 (BST) Received: from alpha2.bton.ac.uk ([194.81.203.3]) by europa.bton.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.92 #1) for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk id 0zNd5u-0004Vf-00; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 14:12:02 +0100 Received: from localhost by alpha2.bton.ac.uk (5.65v4.0/1.1.8.2/28Jul95-0212PM) id AA22798; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 14:12:02 +0100 Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 14:12:02 +0100 (BST) From: Ali Findlay Cc: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Who Won!!!! In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Can somebody post the results of nationals please. No lenghty tournie report needed just the final positions, so the curiosity of myself and any other people not there last weekend can be quelled. Cheers Ali Mohawks From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Sep 28 15:18:23 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id OAA29990 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 14:55:45 +0100 (BST) Received: from sunserv5.leeds.ac.uk (sunserv5.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.16.35]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA29980 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 14:55:41 +0100 (BST) Received: from south-02.novell.leeds.ac.uk (south-02.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.76.2]) by sunserv5.leeds.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA28992 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 14:55:37 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199809281355.OAA28992@sunserv5.leeds.ac.uk> Received: from LUCS-H12/SpoolDir by south-02.novell.leeds.ac.uk (Mercury 1.43); 28 Sep 98 14:56:22 GMT0BST Received: from SpoolDir by LUCS-H12 (Mercury 1.43); 28 Sep 98 14:56:01 GMT0BST From: "J.Chewins" Organization: University of Leeds To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 14:55:36 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: For Students (especially northern) Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk To all The first part of this message is really to the captains of all the student teams. Please can you post contact addresses either on Britdisc (so we can get in touch regarding events) or at the very least get in touch with Dave Barnard or Si Weeks so they can get a contact list sorted ASAP. To Northern Teams I am going to try to establish a student northern league this year (same sort of idea as the scottish league). A problem (i think) will occur in regard to pitches. Jedi have their own permanent Ultimate pitch in Leeds. Do any other Uni teams have a pitch that will be accessible once or twice a month? Please get in touch if you would like to be a part of this league. Leeds uni have just had their freshers fair and are looking to have about 100 begginers in the next week or so. I would like to try and organize a mini begginers outdoor tourney as we did last year (Fingers, Phat E'ds, Jedi). Si can you e mail me with some dates that would suit the Phat E'ds (preferably Wednesday afternoons, but we can play on the weekend) and can the new captain of Fingers get in touch. If any other northern teams would like to send a team of begginers, please E mail me. Cheers Chewy (Jedi) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Sep 28 15:59:43 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id PAA07187 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 15:33:32 +0100 (BST) Received: from mx1.rmplc.co.uk (dns2.rmplc.co.uk [194.154.16.99]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA07164 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 15:33:27 +0100 (BST) Received: from mail.rmplc.net (dns0.rmplc.net [194.238.48.13]) by mx1.rmplc.co.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA27584 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 14:33:02 GMT Received: from acotgreave.internal.rmplc.net (hercules.rmplc.co.uk [194.238.48.90]) by mail.rmplc.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA14150 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 15:33:01 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199809281433.PAA14150@mail.rmplc.net> From: "Andy Cotgreave" To: "Britdisc" Subject: ever so brief report Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 15:32:41 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Nationals: Catch 22 are the new National Champions. They beat UTI by about 4 points(I think). Catch managed to have the upper hand all the way through the game, and despite a late rally by UTI, held on to secure a well-deserved, and excellent victory. Congratulations to them. The semis were also both exciting games. Catch beat Shotgun in a very close game. They traded for most of the game, with Catch finally pulling away in the closing stages of the game. UTI beat Chevron in the other semi. Chevvie led for the whole way, holding the upper hand right through the game. However, a solid period by UTI let them pull it back, and the game went to sudden death. Chevvie pulled to UTI, who proceeded to very calmly work the disc steadily up the pitch and into the zone for the victory. It was probably their calmest point in the whole game, I think (but, having been on the team that lost that game, I am biased!). I'm afraid that I don't know what the results lower down the table were. Sneeeky's won Spirit, though. The weekend was great. The weather was awful, but the facilities were excellent. Thanks to the organisers - the tourny ran really smoothly, as far as I could tell. It was also farewell to Shotgun, this being their last tournament. Thanks for the memories, guys! Now it looks like the traditional dominance of one team at the top has been replaced by a triumvarate of teams, all vying for the top spot. Let's hope that even more teams can be in a position to hit the top next year. Andy Chevron Action Flash acotgreave@rmplc.net From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Sep 28 16:02:38 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id PAA09527 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 15:46:53 +0100 (BST) Received: from arthur.selector.org (firewall-user@arthur.selector.org [212.240.124.210]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA09488 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 15:46:45 +0100 (BST) Received: by arthur.selector.org; id PAA17767; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 15:45:00 +0100 (GMT/BST) Received: from unknown(10.51.1.50) by arthur.selector.org via smap (4.1) id xma017763; Mon, 28 Sep 98 15:44:02 +0100 Received: by EURMAILHUB with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 15:44:22 +0100 Message-ID: From: "Ziants, Wayne" To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: RE: Who Won!!!! Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 15:44:06 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk ditto for the Open please (as I was sadly absent from the country, and missed NightFever's charge into the Valley of Eastbourne) Cheers Wayne _____________________________________________________________ Wayne Ziants Fingers 6 & Alb@Ross & almost NightFever > -----Original Message----- > From: Ali Findlay [SMTP:A.Findlay@bton.ac.uk] > Sent: Monday, September 28, 1998 2:12 PM > Cc: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk > Subject: Who Won!!!! > > Can somebody post the results of nationals please. No lenghty tournie > report needed just the final positions, so the curiosity of myself and > any > other people not there last weekend can be quelled. > Cheers > Ali > Mohawks > From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Sep 28 16:51:38 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id QAA21806 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 16:35:02 +0100 (BST) Received: from monsoon.dial.pipex.net (monsoon.dial.pipex.net [158.43.128.69]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA21777 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 16:34:58 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199809281534.QAA21777@pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Received: (qmail 18540 invoked from network); 28 Sep 1998 15:34:56 -0000 Received: from usern593.uk.uudial.com (HELO default) (193.149.85.118) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 28 Sep 1998 15:34:56 -0000 Reply-To: From: "Matthew Lowe" To: Subject: Contacts Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 15:29:18 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Dear all, Could any players involved in junior Ultimate please contact me via e-mail, and send me details of who they play for and there e-mail address. If any Purple Haze player is on this list could they please contact me. Thanks, Matt Lowe Matthew.Lowe@Dial.Pipex.com From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Sep 28 16:53:53 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id QAA25312 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 16:50:26 +0100 (BST) Received: from crane.cf.ac.uk (crane.cf.ac.uk [131.251.0.45]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA25304 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 16:50:24 +0100 (BST) Received: from HUMSCF2S.CF.AC.UK by crane.cf.ac.uk with SMTP-LOC (PP); Mon, 28 Sep 1998 16:49:43 +0100 Received: from HUMSCF2S/SpoolDir by HUMSCF2S.CF.AC.UK (Mercury 1.43); 28 Sep 98 16:49:42 GMT0BST Received: from SpoolDir by HUMSCF2S (Mercury 1.43); 28 Sep 98 16:49:38 GMT0BST From: DAVID BARNARD To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 16:49:37 GMT0BST Subject: To All Student teams In-reply-to: <199809281355.OAA28992@sunserv5.leeds.ac.uk> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.54) Message-ID: Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi all students, Following on from Chewy's messages if possible could all the student teams please pass on their new contact details to me on this e-mail address so that with Si I can put together the new contact details. Once this is done I will post coppies of it out to all the people on the list. This is in the hope that all the student teams in the different regions have up to date contact details and can threfore organise some sort of regional mini-tournaments/fixtures that can go on throughout the winter, like in the north and se. Could the student teams in the south west get in contact with me asap to arrange a first fixture. Bristol have been in contact and both Chris (Mythago) and I think that an early mini-tourmnent or group of fixtures would be good for both improving the current teams and incouraging freshers'. Also could I have confirmation of those who have put in bids for the different regional indoor student qualifiers so that the information can be passed on to the rest of the student teams. Finally I hope freshers' Fayre' went well (goes well) and you all get loads of new members. Dave Barnard Student co-ordinator Dave Barnard - Catch 22, No Frills & MTJAH @ 0411 691129 From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Sep 28 17:14:08 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id RAA27884 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 17:02:19 +0100 (BST) Received: from ntintel1.webleicester.co.uk ([195.146.160.4]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA27875 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 17:02:17 +0100 (BST) Received: by NTINTEL1 with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 17:03:07 +0100 Message-ID: From: Ian Scotland To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Open Results 5-8 Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 17:03:06 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk I think like most people playing at the tournament like myself only really got to see what was happening in their section, so my brief report is about the 5-8 placings. Equally, as tight as the top four the 5-8 bracket existed of two sudden death games for Red against Druids and First Touch. In the 5-8 semi's, First Touch met Headrush in a game that was delicately balanced at the end of the first half with First Touch just pipping it 9-8. The half abviously did Headrush a great deal of good as they came out firing and ended up shutting out First Touch in the second half to take the game 13-9 (the report on this game is second hand, so any Headrush/FT players that can inform differently, please do!). With places at the World clubs almost gauranteed for the top six this meant Headrush had booked their place. In the other 5-8 semi, Red met Druids, a match up the Red had never won. We (Red) started poorly, a hang-over from day 1 and slipped to an 8-3 defecit. At this point I must admit to having something of a barny at my team, which for once had some impact, the concerntration level improved, we started throwing and catching and managed to pull back to 9-8 (Druids) by the half. The weather conditions were a major factor in a game which saw both teams employing the zone (for the whole game in our case) and more than the average number of drops I would expect from either team. After the half both teams picked up their game and traded untilt the time cap came into force at 13-13. Both teams scored on their possession, then we had to pull to Druids for the sudden death point!! Making abosutely no attempt to play the disc down the pitch, Adam hucked straight of the pull (a tactic that had failed to work convincingly all game) straight to our big defender Neil who made a tremdous block just to see the disc sail nicely into the hands of a purple shirted victor. BUM! Druids then went on to the 5-6 play-off, which it sounds like Headrush weren't up for having already achieved a worlds qualification place. Druids ran out easy victors to finish 5th with Headrush 6th. Our final game turned out to be (potentially) more important than we thought, with the demise of Shotgun, an extra worlds qualifying slot opened up! Both teams were very tired after a long tournament, but still put everything into the last game.... We opened up an early lead, which by half had been overturned by some patient play against our zone by First Touch taking the half 9-8 (I think). We got fired up by convincing ourselves that First Touch wouldn't score in the second half as against Headrush, and as it turned out played our way to a 14-11 lead by the cap (Okay they scored a few!). First Touch never gave up and played hard turning us over twice on our own endzone line to pull us back to 14-14. Having learnt from Adams (Druids) example we made no attempt to play the disc down field and hucked from the start. Of course it didn't work, but fortunately we got a second chance and put in a short pass for the game. Phew! Thanks to Ian Stebbings for arranging a great tourney at short notice, and everyone who has contributed to the tour, organising and playing. Fairwell and thanks for the memories to Shotgone. Scott (EX-BUF National Director) ======================================== Ian Scotland - Web Design Manager, WEBLEICESTER E-Mail: scott@webleicester.net http://www.webleicster.co.uk/ Tel: 0116 2230074 From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Sep 28 22:27:09 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id WAA02120 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 22:10:29 +0100 (BST) Received: from monsoon.dial.pipex.net (monsoon.dial.pipex.net [158.43.128.69]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA02115 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 22:10:27 +0100 (BST) Received: (qmail 23158 invoked from network); 28 Sep 1998 21:10:26 -0000 Received: from userb873.uk.uudial.com (HELO vik) (193.149.94.94) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 28 Sep 1998 21:10:26 -0000 Message-ID: <00c601bdeb24$5478e100$5e5e95c1@vik> Reply-To: "Richard Hims" From: "Richard Hims" To: "BRITDISC" Subject: Bristol Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 21:57:29 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01BDEB2A.FD0EC7C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BDEB2A.FD0EC7C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable COME ON CATCH!! These guys; they win their first tournament [well, excluding good ole = Milton Keynes in '97] at Eastbourne, then they go and win the Nationals. Sorry If I seem a little over-enthusiastic, but I needed what I saw as = some good news, and it's made my week. Anyway, much as I appreciate Andy's "ever so brief report", a more = in-depth report for those losers among us who weren't there would be = appreciated. [What do I feel like missing a weekend where Catch win = Nationals, Janitors come 11 and Shotgun Disband?] In advance of getting the report, Cheers to whoever posted it. Rich, Janitors. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BDEB2A.FD0EC7C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
COME ON=20 CATCH!!
 
These guys; they win their first = tournament=20 [well, excluding good ole Milton Keynes in '97] at Eastbourne, then they = go and=20 win the Nationals.
Sorry If I seem a little = over-enthusiastic, but=20 I needed what I saw as some good news, and it's made my = week.
 
Anyway, much as I appreciate Andy's = "ever=20 so brief report", a more in-depth report for those losers among us = who=20 weren't there would be appreciated. [What do I feel like missing a = weekend where=20 Catch win Nationals, Janitors come 11 and Shotgun Disband?]
 
In advance of getting the report, = Cheers to=20 whoever posted it.
 
Rich, = Janitors.
------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BDEB2A.FD0EC7C0-- From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Sep 29 12:23:00 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id MAA11392 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 12:01:15 +0100 (BST) Received: from tgis.co.uk (galahad.tgis.co.uk [195.188.4.6]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA11382 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 12:01:13 +0100 (BST) Received: from syscap.com (p030.5399-1.saturn.ispc.net [212.46.128.50]) by tgis.co.uk (8.8.7/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA00797 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 12:01:08 +0100 Posted-Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 12:01:08 +0100 Received: from [195.188.6.81] by syscap.com Tue, 29 Sep 98 11:48:10 +0100 X-Sender: pharvey@195.188.6.1 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 11:48:42 +0100 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: pharvey@syscap.com (Peter Harvey) Subject: Son of a Gun... Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Congratulations to Catch 22, new national champs. May this spur you on to greater international success, and also show the way for up-and-coming teams. It was not long ago that a Catch team took 24th place! A great way to finish a solid season for British Ultimate. Well done. I want to say a few words about Shotgun, Legends of Ultimate. Dead we may be, but buried we certainly are not. Having achieved our goal of many years - of raising the standard of UK Ultimate and - we are calling it a day as 'Shotgun' but that in no way means that we are ALL going to stop playing, switch teams or give up altogether. There is a strong likelihood that a new team, rising like a phoenix from the ashes of gun, will be back in the saddle to mount a significant challenge both in the tour and at worlds, utilising the place we have earned. To do this we need your help. We have a very experienced core of players, but need to add to this and build up a tight, spirited team. If you are young, committed [able to attend training in London] and willing to learn, we want to hear from you. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Sep 29 13:16:43 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id MAA19399 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 12:48:46 +0100 (BST) Received: from caged.st-andrews.ac.uk (root@caged.st-and.ac.uk [138.251.34.40]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA19390 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 12:48:41 +0100 (BST) Received: from purds.st-andrews.ac.uk (root@purds [138.251.34.20]) by caged.st-andrews.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA08919; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 12:48:36 +0100 (BST) Received: from localhost (jpg2@localhost) by purds.st-andrews.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA26744; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 10:03:47 +0100 (BST) Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 10:03:46 +0100 (BST) From: Big Funky X-Sender: jpg2@st-andrews.ac.uk To: "HUGHES, Chris" cc: "'Britdisc'" Subject: Re: Director of Competions In-Reply-To: <8102C4585310D211858D0060B01A41330A38D2@exchpk02.chelt.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Chris, one improvement that should be made is tighter constraints on team rosters: if you play for one team, then you play for that team. The 'guests' should not have played for another team already. I know that this is hard on players who's teams can't make a tournament. But say, for some unthinkable reason, a top 8 team can't make one tournament, one of their players on a lower team can really make a difference. It happened last tour with 'sharks' only playing 1/2 tournaments and players also playing for another team. This would also make teams that bit more commited to turning up and organising themselves. Then again this is only me so you can all tell me to fuck off if you want! Jon Good aka 'Big Funky' of 'Funkian' and 'More than just a Hint' aka 'Frank LeBoeuf' of 'Blue Arse Flies' D.O.P.A. S.A.U. (underground) Wine Soc. Captain S.A.U.U.F.C. - Flying Sorcerers The loneliest man since time began - all air-fare donations greatfully received World of Crack! "Love can be flowers, love can be jewels; Love can be sold to white slavers, for cammels and mules" From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Sep 29 14:49:56 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id OAA04711 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 14:30:18 +0100 (BST) Received: from taurus.cus.cam.ac.uk (cusexim@taurus.cus.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.48]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA04699 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 14:30:16 +0100 (BST) Received: from caj1.arch.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.34.20]) by taurus.cus.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.03 #2) id 0zNzr3-00001b-00 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 14:30:13 +0100 Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 14:35:14 GMT From: "Dora A. Kemp" To: Subject: Nationals results X-Mailer: Mulberry [1.0.1, s/n #10001] X-Authenticated: dak12 by imap.cus.cam.ac.uk X-Licensed-To: University of Cambridge MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk UNOFFICIAL NATIONALS REPORT (Golden Hills School, Bristol) Sept 26-27 Despite the weather, there was a lot of enthusiasm and good spirit at the Nationals this past weekend. Many thanks to Ian Stebbing and Co. for a well-organized tournament. Special thanks from Pool D teams who were given a bag of fruit and chocolate biscuits to tie us over in our gruelling three-game stretch on Saturday. Final results 1. Catch 22 2. UTI Tied for third Shotgun Chevron Action Flash 5. Druids 6. Headrush 7. Red 8. First Touch 9. Blue Arse Flies (Plate) 10.Sneeeky's (Spirit) 11.Village People 12.Mild Mannered Janitors 13.Strange Blue 14.Nightfever 15.Superfly 16.Jedi Spirit for the whole Tour was awarded to Sneeeky's and 13th place for the Tour went to Superfly. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Sep 29 16:54:35 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id QAA29581 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 16:41:53 +0100 (BST) Received: from amsta.leeds.ac.uk (amsta.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA29571 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 16:41:49 +0100 (BST) Received: from legendre.leeds.amsta (legendre.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.63]) by amsta.leeds.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA06023; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 16:42:27 +0100 (BST) Received: by legendre.leeds.amsta (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id QAA29935; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 16:40:40 +0100 Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 16:40:40 +0100 From: amtsjh@amsta.leeds.ac.uk (S J Hill) Message-Id: <199809291540.QAA29935@legendre.leeds.amsta> To: CHughes@chelt.ac.uk, jpg2@st-andrews.ac.uk Subject: Re: Director of Competions Cc: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Jon > one improvement that should be made is tighter constraints on team > rosters: if you play for one team, then you play for that team. The > 'guests' should not have played for another team already. I know that this > is hard on players who's teams can't make a tournament. But say, for some > unthinkable reason, a top 8 team can't make one tournament, one of their > players on a lower team can really make a difference. It happened last > tour with 'sharks' only playing 1/2 tournaments and players also playing > for another team. This would also make teams that bit more commited to > turning up and organising themselves. In the first year of the Tour there was no guest rule. It caused no end of difficulties. Also - it made us (british ultimate players) appear EXTREMELY unwelcoming to any foreign visitors (several were turned away from touraments in that first year.) Whilst in theory what you suggest might be the ideal, I think it is important to remember that we still play a sport with a very small player base. This means that sometimes it is worth adopting a 'common-sense' approach to some of these questions. Since I will have a few days to spare coming up I will try to write a report about the tour over the last two years (plus Nationals) - and include some of the things that I think would be a good idea for the future based on what we have learnt so far. Si - outgoing DoC - extremely happy member of the 22 (not necessarily in that order) ps - thanks to all those people who have been kind enough to send congrats messages directly to the team, and via britdisc From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Sep 29 17:22:23 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id RAA04794 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 17:06:38 +0100 (BST) Received: from shrimp.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (ralf@shrimp [137.205.227.130]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA04772 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 17:06:35 +0100 (BST) Received: (from ralf@localhost) by shrimp.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA12119 for britdisc@csv; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 17:06:34 +0100 (BST) From: Ralf Message-Id: <199809291606.RAA12119@shrimp.dcs.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: help with postcodes To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 17:06:33 +0100 (BST) X-Quote: Productivity is in the eye of the beholder. X-Quote: The closest to perfection a person ever comes is when they fill out a job application. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL35 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk From: Ben Ravilious Reply-To: "bravil@webleicester.co.uk" To: "'Britdisc'" Subject: Help with Post Codes Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 19:16:55 +0100 Dear All I am putting together an enhanced teams/players contact database for the BUF website. I hope to offer site visitors the ability to see which teams/players live in their area. I need a database containing post code areas and their OS grid references and I dont particularly want us to have to pay for it! If anyone out there has such data please contact me. It doesn't need to be all that detailed just down to the first part of the postcode (eg WC1, LE2, NN3 etc). Thanks Ben RED So Gunners, the question on our lips: Under what guise will we see your faces again? ----- End of forwarded message from owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk ----- ____ ____ _ _ ____ .----------------------------------------. _\__ \ _\__ \ / \ / \\__/ | Ranulf Doswell | / \_/ /_ / \_/ \ / / / /___ | Department of Computer Science | \ __ \\ __ \\ \ _\ \\_/ |University of Warwick, COVENTRY, CV4 7AL| \ \ \ \\ \ \ \\ \__/ \\ \ | Phone: 01203 523296 Fax: 01203 525714 | \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \______/ \_/ `----------------------------------------' From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Sep 29 18:21:58 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id SAA15188 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 18:09:33 +0100 (BST) Received: from charon.cargill.com (charon.cargill.com [167.136.225.225]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA15173 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 18:09:28 +0100 (BST) From: Clifford_Bottomley@cargill.com Received: from hermes.cargill.com (hermes.cargill.com [167.136.226.140]) by charon.cargill.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA24584; 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Tue, 29 Sep 1998 18:14:34 +0100 (BST) Received: from curlew.cs.man.ac.uk (curlew.cs.man.ac.uk [130.88.13.7]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA15740 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 18:14:32 +0100 (BST) Received: from fs1.art.man.ac.uk ([130.88.57.1]) by curlew.cs.man.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #2) for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk id 0zO255-0006JS-00; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 16:52:51 +0100 Received: from UK-AC-MAN-ART-FS1/SpoolDir by fs1.art.man.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); 29 Sep 98 16:52:50 GMT0BST Received: from SpoolDir by UK-AC-MAN-ART-FS1 (Mercury 1.43); 29 Sep 98 13:58:21 GMT0BST From: "S.T.roker" Organization: University of Manchester To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 13:58:20 GMT0BST Subject: Re:Son of a Gun Reply-to: mfix6can@stud.man.ac.uk X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <1A1AE5746E@fs1.art.man.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Mmmmmmmm, I would love to come and play for your team of has-beens. Firstly I would need to know some details. Minimum age? 30-35? weight? 14st-20st? minimum number of hamburgers per day? 10-20? I presume when it comes to ego's I should just try and get as much as possible. But on a more serious front I would need to be reassured that the team would be vying for a top place, or are Catch and UTI gonna kick your arse all over the pitch next season? Oh finally maybe it would be fun to play a bit of schmindoor, it always helps to learn the basics before going outside! r.s.v.p r.s.v.p From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Sep 29 22:18:38 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id VAA07477 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 21:45:14 +0100 (BST) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA07467 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 21:45:11 +0100 (BST) Received: from [158.152.248.177] (helo=phidelta.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.03 #1) id 0zO6dm-0001yo-00 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 20:44:58 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 21:21:49 +0100 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: Loser Scum Reply-To: Loser Scum Subject: Son of a Gun :) In-Reply-To: <1A1AE5746E@fs1.art.man.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Trial Version 3.04 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk "S.T.roker" writes >But on a more serious front I would need to be reassured that the >team would be vying for a top place, or are Catch and UTI gonna kick >your arse all over the pitch next season? Strange how somebody with a Manchester email address doesn't mention any chances of Chevron Action Flash taking out Pistol Pete and co. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Lousoir From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Sep 30 10:18:56 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id KAA17939 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 10:04:29 +0100 (BST) Received: from curlew.cs.man.ac.uk (curlew.cs.man.ac.uk [130.88.13.7]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA17934 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 10:04:27 +0100 (BST) Received: from fs1.art.man.ac.uk ([130.88.57.1]) by curlew.cs.man.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #2) for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk id 0zOIBO-0006DI-00; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 10:04:26 +0100 Received: from UK-AC-MAN-ART-FS1/SpoolDir by fs1.art.man.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); 30 Sep 98 10:04:26 GMT0BST Received: from SpoolDir by UK-AC-MAN-ART-FS1 (Mercury 1.43); 30 Sep 98 10:04:24 GMT0BST From: "S.T.roker" Organization: University of Manchester To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 10:04:18 GMT0BST Subject: Re: Son of a Gun :) Reply-to: mfix6can@stud.man.ac.uk X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <1001600A30@fs1.art.man.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk > Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 21:21:49 +0100 > To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk > From: Loser Scum > Reply-to: Loser Scum > Subject: Son of a Gun :) > "S.T.roker" writes > >But on a more serious front I would need to be reassured that the > >team would be vying for a top place, or are Catch and UTI gonna kick > >your arse all over the pitch next season? > > Strange how somebody with a Manchester email address doesn't mention any > chances of Chevron Action Flash taking out Pistol Pete and co. Well UTI were only mentioned as a curtersy. W. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Sep 30 10:27:44 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id KAA20866 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 10:21:19 +0100 (BST) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA20798 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 10:20:56 +0100 (BST) Received: from [158.152.203.174] (helo=[158.152.203.174]) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.03 #1) id 0zOIRK-0000j4-00 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 09:20:55 +0000 Subject: Re: Nationals results Date: Wed, 30 Sep 98 10:19:23 +0100 x-sender: ultimatum@pop3.demon.co.uk x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: Paul Hurt To: "BritDisc" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Message-Id: Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Re: results just posted.... Slight correction - places 11 + 12 incorrect. In traditional Village fashion, we established a 7-1 (I think) lead over Janitors, then went to pieces. Ended up losing horribly. Great comeback, Janitors. What on earth were we doing in the second half? Places 11 + 12 should be: 11. Mild Mannered Janitors 12. Village People Excellent tournament, despite the weather. Congrats to Catch! Paul Village (and he knows he is) >1. Catch 22 >2. UTI >Tied for third >Shotgun >Chevron Action Flash >5. Druids >6. Headrush >7. Red >8. First Touch >9. Blue Arse Flies (Plate) >10.Sneeeky's (Spirit) >11.Village People >12.Mild Mannered Janitors >13.Strange Blue >14.Nightfever >15.Superfly >16.Jedi --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Hurt Editor, Ultimatum Magazine, London, England editor@ultimatum.demon.co.uk Visit Ultimatum Online... http://www.ultimatum.demon.co.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Sep 30 11:21:26 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id KAA25601 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 10:51:16 +0100 (BST) Received: from mailhost.dircon.co.uk (mailhost.dircon.co.uk [194.112.32.65]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA25529 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 10:50:42 +0100 (BST) Received: from [194.112.54.200] (th-en136-200.pool.dircon.co.uk [194.112.54.200]) by mailhost.dircon.co.uk (8.9.1/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA25574; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 10:50:41 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: Son of a Gun Message-Id: <000000232232989993701@daletaylor.co.uk> From: nolan@daletaylor.co.uk (Nolan Taylor, Dale Taylor Ltd) Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 10:48:21 +0100 Organization: Dale Taylor Ltd X-Mailer: CommuniGate 2.9.8 Reply-To: nolan@daletaylor.co.uk (Nolan Taylor, Dale Taylor Ltd) To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk, mfix6can@stud.man.ac.uk, mfix6can@fs1.art.man.ac.uk (S.T.roker) Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk On Tue, Sep 29, 1998, 1:58:20 pm GMT S.T.roker wrote: >Mmmmmmmm, >I would love to come and play for your team of has-beens. Firstly I >would need to know some details. >Minimum age? 30-35? >weight? 14st-20st? >minimum number of hamburgers per day? 10-20? >I presume when it comes to ego's I should just try and get as much as >possible. >But on a more serious front I would need to be reassured that the >team would be vying for a top place, or are Catch and UTI gonna kick >your arse all over the pitch next season? >Oh finally maybe it would be fun to play a bit of schmindoor, it >always helps to learn the basics before going outside! >r.s.v.p > >r.s.v.p > > > Confident and hedonistic Gun may have been but, let's face it, it's the easiest thing in the world to simply criticise everything in life rather than to take a positive approach. I suspect you'll discover (were you to ask nicely if you could join the party) that, envious little inadequates will most probably NOT be on the guest list. Nolan --------------------------------------- Nolan Taylor Dale Taylor Ltd Email: nolan@daletaylor.co.uk Tel: 01323 430700 Fax: 01323 430223 --------------------------------------- From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Sep 30 11:28:11 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id KAA26178 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 10:55:42 +0100 (BST) Received: from caged.st-andrews.ac.uk (root@caged.st-and.ac.uk [138.251.34.40]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA26108 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 10:55:18 +0100 (BST) Received: from purds.st-andrews.ac.uk (jpg2@purds [138.251.34.20]) by caged.st-andrews.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA00469; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 10:55:12 +0100 (BST) Received: from localhost (jpg2@localhost) by purds.st-andrews.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA10217; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 10:55:09 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 10:55:09 +0100 (BST) From: Big Funky X-Sender: jpg2@st-andrews.ac.uk To: S J Hill cc: CHughes@chelt.ac.uk, britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Re: Director of Competions In-Reply-To: <199809291540.QAA29935@legendre.leeds.amsta> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Jon Good aka 'Big Funky' of 'Funkian' and 'More than just a Hint' aka 'Frank LeBoeuf' of 'Blue Arse Flies' D.O.P.A. S.A.U. (underground) Wine Soc. Captain S.A.U.U.F.C. - Flying Sorcerers The loneliest man since time began - all air-fare donations greatfully received World of Crack! "Love can be flowers, love can be jewels; Love can be sold to white slavers, for cammels and mules" On Tue, 29 Sep 1998, S J Hill wrote: > Jon > > > one improvement that should be made is tighter constraints on team > > rosters: if you play for one team, then you play for that team. The > > 'guests' should not have played for another team already. I know that this > > is hard on players who's teams can't make a tournament. But say, for some > > unthinkable reason, a top 8 team can't make one tournament, one of their > > players on a lower team can really make a difference. It happened last > > tour with 'sharks' only playing 1/2 tournaments and players also playing > > for another team. This would also make teams that bit more commited to > > turning up and organising themselves. > > In the first year of the Tour there was no guest rule. > It caused no end of difficulties. > Also - it made us (british ultimate players) appear > EXTREMELY unwelcoming to any foreign visitors > (several were turned away from touraments in that first > year.) I'm not saying no guests at all. I'm merely saying that if you play for one team, then you only play for that team. But I still take your point (WAHEY!) it is awkard to satisfy both sides of the argument. The 'small player base' does exist but surely for national finals qualification you shouldn't be allowed to 'tart' for another team just because your team (who if they are serious about nationals should be able to make 6 tour matches) didn't turn up. You don't see Alan Shearer playing for Arsenal in the FA Cup semi-finals because Newcastle have been knocked out! I know that is a very extreme example but I'm just trying to make a point. Jon P.S. Well done BAF for beating Sneeekys!!!!!!! From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Sep 30 11:49:22 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id LAA03037 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 11:33:32 +0100 (BST) Received: from otto.crispgroup.co.uk (crispgroup.demon.co.uk [158.152.87.155]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA02922 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 11:33:08 +0100 (BST) Received: from [129.1.1.241] by otto.crispgroup.co.uk (NTMail 3.03.0017/1.aia2) with ESMTP id pa021829 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 11:27:47 +0100 Received: from [129.1.11.56] by homer.crispgroup.co.uk (NTMail 3.03.0012/1.aia2) with ESMTP id ca029200 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 11:26:30 +0100 Received: by raviben810.crispgroup.co.uk with Microsoft Mail id <01BDEC66.8D1F4CE0@raviben810.crispgroup.co.uk>; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 11:36:23 +0100 Message-ID: <01BDEC66.8D1F4CE0@raviben810.crispgroup.co.uk> From: Ben Ravilious To: "'Britdisc'" Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 11:36:22 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Info: Crisp Computing Mail Server Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id LAA03027 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Can I have a rule clarification please:- If I start a team of "young and enthusiatic players willing to learn..." and call it 'Shotgun' do I get to play in the World Club Championships?! ;-) Ben From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Sep 30 13:03:29 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id MAA16138 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 12:48:27 +0100 (BST) Received: from dirc.bris.ac.uk (dirc.bris.ac.uk [137.222.10.51]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA16118 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 12:48:21 +0100 (BST) Received: from sis.bris.ac.uk by dirc.bris.ac.uk with SMTP-PRIV (PP) with ESMTP; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 12:48:18 +0100 Received: from lang-ah27.lang.bris.ac.uk (lang-ah27.lang.bris.ac.uk [137.222.156.132]) by sis.bris.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA26274; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 12:47:53 +0100 (BST) From: Raf Freire Reply-To: raf.freire@Bristol.ac.uk To: Ben Ravilious cc: "'Britdisc'" Subject: Re: son of a gun In-Reply-To: <01BDEC66.8D1F4CE0@raviben810.crispgroup.co.uk> Message-ID: Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 12:46:36 +0100 (British Summer Time) Delivery-Receipt-To: Raf Freire X-Mailer: Simeon for Win32 Version 4.1 Build (3) X-Authentication: IMSP MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk On Wed, 30 Sep 1998 11:36:22 +0100 Ben Ravilious wrote: > Can I have a rule clarification please:- > > If I start a team of "young and enthusiatic players willing to learn..." and call it 'Shotgun' do I get to play in the World Club Championships?! NO. Although most people have respectfully bid farewell to shotgun and wished them luck, I'm getting a bit fed up with the minority. Most teams undergo change in the off-season (which some call indoor season), such as taking on new players, loosing a few oldies, even changing where they are based (as we are doing). Shotgun have merely chosen to do all this to a greater extent than most and, as they are likely to be taking on quite a few new players, will be changing their name too (I presume). It seems to me that the main reason they have chosen to "retire" publicly is to mark the end of a team formed from Hombres and Regulators and greatly influenced by a talented little american. Sure, many of those players are still going to be around playing together, but the roots of "shotgun" are likely to be so distant that a house clearance and name change seem an appropriate move. Nonetheless, the players have earned their place at the world club champs in StAndrews and I have no doubt will be as competitive as any shotgun team has ever been. To put it bluntly Ben, If you started a team and called it "shotgun", I suspect you'll only be as competitive as Red are (were?). Rafi-22 From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Sep 30 13:52:23 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id NAA22398 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 13:33:04 +0100 (BST) Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA22383 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 13:33:01 +0100 (BST) Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA26348 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 13:33:00 +0100 (BST) Received: from uks447.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 30 Sep 1998 12:33:00 UT Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id NAA22280; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 13:32:56 +0100 Message-Id: <199809301232.NAA22280@uks447> Date: 30 Sep 98 13:25:20 +0100 From: "RCOLE.UK.ORACLE.COM" To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: TO: Pete from Kows MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Everyone else, please ignore this. Pete, could you please email me the URL for the tournament in Barcelona as soon as possible. Cheers, see ya later Rob Cole ***************************************************************************** Robert Cole Tel: 0118 924 4873 Associate Consultant Mobile: 0961 170 759 Enterprise Methods and Tools Internal Extn: 44873 Oracle UK Fax: 0118 924 5605 Building 530 Email: rcole@uk.oracle.com Thames Valley Park Reading, RG6 1RA ***************************************************************************** From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Sep 30 14:21:43 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id OAA28346 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 14:05:38 +0100 (BST) Received: from venus.open.ac.uk (venus.open.ac.uk [137.108.143.2]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA28341 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 14:05:36 +0100 (BST) From: P.M.Connor@open.ac.uk Received: from damson.open.ac.uk by venus with SMTP Local (MMTA v2.2); Wed, 30 Sep 1998 14:04:26 +0100 Received: from by damson.open.ac.uk (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AB12293; Wed, 30 Sep 98 14:04:26 BST Message-Id: <9809301304.AB12293@damson.open.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 14:04:16 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Director of Competions References: <8102C4585310D211858D0060B01A41330A38D2@exchpk02.chelt.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk I have to disagree with this, I think to do away with this would penalise people due to other people's lack of commitment or through too many injuries preventing fielding of teams at tournaments. My team - and I suspect a number of others - have a small player base, we wanted to get to as many tour tournaments as possible this year but circumstance meant we had a lot of injuries and a number of people who had to focus on submitting work and this prevented us from being able to field a squad in the latter half of the season. The guest rule allowed those who wanted to play to continue to do so. I am aware of a number of players this affected including myself and I feel that the chance to play in the extra tounaments, particularly as I am in my first year of play helped to improve my game. Removal of the rule would act only to restrict the amount the numbers of people who can play competitive ultimate, when I thought the idea was to be trying to maximise the figure. Peter Connor (Mad Kows) > Chris, > one improvement that should be made is tighter constraints on team > rosters: if you play for one team, then you play for that team. The > 'guests' should not have played for another team already. I know that this > is hard on players who's teams can't make a tournament. But say, for some > unthinkable reason, a top 8 team can't make one tournament, one of their > players on a lower team can really make a difference. It happened last > tour with 'sharks' only playing 1/2 tournaments and players also playing > for another team. This would also make teams that bit more commited to > turning up and organising themselves. > > Then again this is only me so you can all tell me to fuck off if you want! > > Jon Good From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Sep 30 15:59:13 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id PAA16015 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 15:39:43 +0100 (BST) Received: from maggiore.dsnet.it ([195.250.233.15]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA15997 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 15:39:38 +0100 (BST) Received: (qmail 31900 invoked from network); 30 Sep 1998 14:39:29 -0000 Received: from pppdin59.dsnet.it (HELO mailbox.dsnet.it) (195.250.230.196) by maggiore.dsnet.it with SMTP; 30 Sep 1998 14:39:29 -0000 Message-ID: <361240F9.BBDF7663@mailbox.dsnet.it> Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 16:32:25 +0200 From: Peldi Reply-To: peldi@ultilinks.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Re: TO: Pete from Kows References: <199809301232.NAA22280@uks447> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk RCOLE.UK.ORACLE.COM wrote: > > Pete, could you please email me the URL for the tournament in Barcelona as > soon as possible. Cheers, see ya later > I'm not Pete, but here it is: http://members.tripod.com/~BarnaDisc/ It's listed on Ultilinks (http://www.ultilinks.com/), along with another 560 ultimate related links. See you there, Peldi From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Sep 30 16:30:23 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id QAB22793 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 16:16:30 +0100 (BST) Received: from amsta.leeds.ac.uk (amsta.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA22770 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 16:16:26 +0100 (BST) Received: from matrix.leeds.amsta (matrix.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.17]) by amsta.leeds.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA28484 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 16:17:03 +0100 (BST) Received: by matrix.leeds.amsta (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id QAA12815; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 16:14:19 +0100 Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 16:14:19 +0100 From: amtsjh@amsta.leeds.ac.uk (S J Hill) Message-Id: <199809301514.QAA12815@matrix.leeds.amsta> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: THE HONG KONG SEVENS X-Sun-Charset: ISO-8859-1 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk I don't think this made it to britdisc first time around... Arun seems to be having some problems typing in the right address. Doh! ----- Begin Included Message ---- THE HONG KONG SEVENS 218 Cardigan Lane, Headingley, Leeds, LS6 1ED. The Hong Kong sevens - Northern Open, is being held in Leeds at New Farnely Cricket Club on Sat 24th & Sun 25th October. The tournament is currently being restricted to 16 teams, but if the is big interest then the this may be increased. Currently 5 teams have confirmed their entry, Leeds Old Boys, Janitors, Jedi I, Jedi II and Superfly. The rest of the places will be allocated on a first come first serve basis. The cost of the tournament is £70.00. So if you want to play in Leeds drop the Janitors a line on Janitors@hotmail.com, or call us on any of the following numbers : Arun/Rick/Gump (0113) 2249680 Ches (0113) 2787456 Tom (0113) 2289887 or just send a cheque to the address above. Accommodation is available for whoever wants it, but once again it's on a first come first serve basis. Directions will be sent out with the rest of the tourney details once teams have confirmed entry Cheers JANITORS ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ----- End Included Message ----- ----- Begin Included Message ----- A qiuck follow up to the previous message re the Hong Kong Sevens - Northern Open, Janitors IT services have advised that there has be a problem with the contact e-mail address given, therefore could all correspondence be sent the address below : mmjanitors@hotmail.com. Sorry for any inconvenience regards Janitors. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ----- End Included Message ----- From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Sep 30 17:33:49 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id RAA03597 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 17:20:26 +0100 (BST) Received: from tgis.co.uk (galahad.tgis.co.uk [195.188.4.6]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA03573 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 17:20:22 +0100 (BST) Received: from syscap.com (p023.5399-3.saturn.ispc.net [212.46.128.163]) by tgis.co.uk (8.8.7/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA07881 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 16:20:18 +0100 Posted-Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 16:20:18 +0100 Received: from [195.188.6.81] by syscap.com Wed, 30 Sep 98 13:47:58 +0100 X-Sender: pharvey@195.188.6.1 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 13:48:32 +0100 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: pharvey@syscap.com (Peter Harvey) Subject: Re: Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Ben, >If I start a team of "young and enthusiatic players willing to learn..." >and call it 'Shotgun' do I get to play in the World Club Championships?! If the team contains the Shotgun Chairman and Secretary and a good number of real gunners (and you supply your own rear gunners ;-) then yes... Oh, and be prepared for a good amount of inane BD banter from some clueless duffer manchester students too... 'Pistol' Pete From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Sep 30 17:35:38 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id RAA03485 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 17:20:00 +0100 (BST) Received: from tgis.co.uk (galahad.tgis.co.uk [195.188.4.6]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA03469 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 17:19:57 +0100 (BST) Received: from syscap.com (p023.5399-3.saturn.ispc.net [212.46.128.163]) by tgis.co.uk (8.8.7/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA07635 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 16:19:53 +0100 Posted-Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 16:19:53 +0100 Received: from [195.188.6.81] by syscap.com Wed, 30 Sep 98 12:02:32 +0100 X-Sender: pharvey@195.188.6.1 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 12:03:06 +0100 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: pharvey@syscap.com (Peter Harvey) Subject: two barrels and a ring. Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Chrstian, your lame guise of S.T.Roker is most apt, and will surely stick! >I presume when it comes to ego's I should just try and get as much as >possible. Of course you young whippersnappers are never testosterone fuelled hot-headed egotistical strokers, and you would never take the bait when offered it by your elders... Whats the saying? something about people in glass houses... >But on a more serious front I would need to be reassured that the >team would be vying for a top place, or are Catch and UTI gonna kick >your arse all over the pitch next season? Its up to you to prove you can hang on, I'm not going to make any promises except that you'll see some sexy ultimate. PS Call your Jeweller, you may shortly require some ring repairs... 'Pistol' Pete From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Sep 30 17:35:49 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id RAA03647 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 17:20:37 +0100 (BST) Received: from tgis.co.uk (galahad.tgis.co.uk [195.188.4.6]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA03629 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 17:20:34 +0100 (BST) Received: from syscap.com (p023.5399-3.saturn.ispc.net [212.46.128.163]) by tgis.co.uk (8.8.7/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA07911 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 16:20:31 +0100 Posted-Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 16:20:31 +0100 Received: from [195.188.6.81] by syscap.com Wed, 30 Sep 98 14:29:34 +0100 X-Sender: pharvey@195.188.6.1 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 14:30:08 +0100 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: pharvey@syscap.com (Peter Harvey) Subject: relight my fire.... Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Ben, >If I start a team of "young and enthusiatic players willing to learn..." >and call it 'Shotgun' do I get to play in the World Club Championships?! If the team contains the Shotgun Chairman and Secretary and a good number of real gunners (and you supply your own rear gunners ;-) then yes... Oh, and be prepared for a good amount of inane BD banter from some clueless duffer manchester students too... 'Pistol' Pete From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Sep 30 17:37:18 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id RAA03631 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 17:20:35 +0100 (BST) Received: from tgis.co.uk (galahad.tgis.co.uk [195.188.4.6]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA03612 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 17:20:32 +0100 (BST) Received: from syscap.com (p023.5399-3.saturn.ispc.net [212.46.128.163]) by tgis.co.uk (8.8.7/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA07906 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 16:20:29 +0100 Posted-Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 16:20:29 +0100 Received: from [195.188.6.81] by syscap.com Wed, 30 Sep 98 14:27:39 +0100 X-Sender: pharvey@195.188.6.1 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 14:28:13 +0100 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: pharvey@syscap.com (Peter Harvey) Subject: two barrels and a ring. Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Chrstian, your lame guise of S.T.Roker is most apt, and will surely stick! >I presume when it comes to ego's I should just try and get as much as >possible. Of course you young whippersnappers are never testosterone fuelled hot-headed egotistical strokers, and you would never take the bait when offered it by your elders... Whats the saying? something about people in glass houses... >But on a more serious front I would need to be reassured that the >team would be vying for a top place, or are Catch and UTI gonna kick >your arse all over the pitch next season? Its up to you to prove you can hang on, I'm not going to make any promises except that you'll see some sexy ultimate. PS Call your Jeweller, you may shortly require some ring repairs... 'Pistol' Pete From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Sep 30 18:35:38 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id SAA17460 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 18:22:17 +0100 (BST) Received: from admin.warwick.ac.uk (sigma [137.205.249.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA17450 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 18:22:16 +0100 (BST) Received: from SIGMA/SpoolDir by admin.warwick.ac.uk (Mercury 1.40); 30 Sep 98 18:22:34 GMT+0000 Received: from SpoolDir by SIGMA (Mercury 1.40); 30 Sep 98 18:22:06 GMT+0000 From: "Derek Robins" Organization: University of Warwick, CV4 7AL, UK To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 18:21:58 +0000 (GMT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Hall of Fame and Honours Message-ID: <4FF43E46A07@admin.warwick.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk The demise of Shotgun signals the end of another era in Ultimate and soon we will have another cohort of student ultimate players for whom the name will mean nothing. Now you don't need to know anything about the history of the sport to play it, but I think that if you get really involved you would like to have the opportunity to find out how things have developed. At the very least you wouldn't want the history of your sport to go unrecorded. Last August I went to the PDGA (Disc Golf) Worlds in the USA and was impressed by their honouring of people in the sport. They induct 3 people each year into a Hall of Fame, citing their contribution to the sport. This ensures that some of the history of the sport is recorded as well as being a deserved recognition for the people involved . They also honour their top players, tournament directors and volunteers for the past 12 months. I think this is an excellent idea. What do you reckon? Of course there should be an annual dinner/party at which to celebrate all this - might cost 20 quid for a sit down meal and party/dance. How much interest would there be? Del *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*- Derek Robins | | D.J.Robins@admin.warwick.ac.uk Finance Office | | Tel 01203 522710 University of Warwick | | Fax 01203 572645 Coventry CV4 7AL | | Home 01926 864136 *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*- From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Sep 30 22:00:09 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id VAA08420 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 21:42:54 +0100 (BST) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA08415 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 21:42:53 +0100 (BST) Received: from [158.152.248.177] (helo=phidelta.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.03 #1) id 0zOT5F-00062T-00; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 20:42:50 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 21:36:55 +0100 To: BritDisc , Merrick Cardew From: Wayne Retter Subject: Mailing lists MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Trial Version 3.04 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk For those of you who're maybe interesed in starting team mailing lists (if uni can't do one for you), try www.egroups.com, for FREE Here's a few of their features. 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Please go to http://www.egroups.com, check it out, and tell us what you think. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Wayne Retter at home: 0181-663-4856 wayne@phidelta.demon.co.uk mobile: 07970-903420 at work: 01737-273611 wayne_retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Oct 1 11:11:27 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id KAA14566 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:54:46 +0100 (BST) Received: from amsta.leeds.ac.uk (amsta.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA14558 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:54:44 +0100 (BST) Received: from matrix.leeds.amsta (matrix.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.17]) by amsta.leeds.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA09452 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:55:21 +0100 (BST) Received: by matrix.leeds.amsta (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA13633; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:52:35 +0100 Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:52:35 +0100 From: amtsjh@amsta.leeds.ac.uk (S J Hill) Message-Id: <199810010952.KAA13633@matrix.leeds.amsta> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: annual dinner X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk I think an annual dinner would be an excellent idea. What a great opportunity to get pissed and talk about what legends we are. I know that Sammy and Jim (village) were trying to sort this out last year - but it didn't come off. Also - a history-keeping hall of fame would be great (I reckon). Here are three tip-top trivia questions that people might want to know the answer to.... (I can supply the answer to no (2), can anyone answer (1) and (3) please?) 1. Who were the last non-Hombres/Gun team to win Nationals? (presumably in 1987....!! Thats what I call domination.) 2. Which GB club had a player in all 4 divisions (open/masters/women/junior) at the World Ultimate Champs in Sweden 1996? 3. In what season did the 'sidearm' first appear in the UK? Si From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Oct 1 12:03:56 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id LAA16093 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 11:06:27 +0100 (BST) Received: from caged.st-andrews.ac.uk (root@caged.st-and.ac.uk [138.251.34.40]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA16088 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 11:06:26 +0100 (BST) Received: from purds.st-andrews.ac.uk (jpg2@purds [138.251.34.20]) by caged.st-andrews.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA26245; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 11:06:20 +0100 (BST) Received: from localhost (jpg2@localhost) by purds.st-andrews.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA21383; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 11:06:18 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 11:06:18 +0100 (BST) From: Big Funky X-Sender: jpg2@st-andrews.ac.uk To: P.M.Connor@open.ac.uk cc: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Re: Director of Competions In-Reply-To: <9809301304.AB12293@damson.open.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk I am aware of this. Why not have a pick-up team defaultly enetered to every tour match: this would accomadate the situation you described without giving any other teams an unfair adavantage - this would also mean that people would wanted to play as much as possible could do so aswell. It's just a thought. Jon Good aka 'Big Funky' of 'Funkian' and 'More than just a Hint' aka 'Frank LeBoeuf' of 'Blue Arse Flies' D.O.P.A. S.A.U. (underground) Wine Soc. Captain S.A.U.U.F.C. - Flying Sorcerers The loneliest man since time began - all air-fare donations greatfully received World of Crack! "Love can be flowers, love can be jewels; Love can be sold to white slavers, for cammels and mules" On Wed, 30 Sep 1998 P.M.Connor@open.ac.uk wrote: > I have to disagree with this, I think to do away with this would > penalise people due to other people's lack of commitment or through > too many injuries preventing fielding of teams at tournaments. My > team - and I suspect a number of others - have a small player base, > we wanted to get to as many tour tournaments as possible this year > but circumstance meant we had a lot of injuries and a number of > people who had to focus on submitting work and this prevented us from > being able to field a squad in the latter half of the season. The > guest rule allowed those who wanted to play to continue to do so. I > am aware of a number of players this affected including myself and I > feel that the chance to play in the extra tounaments, particularly > as I am in my first year of play helped to improve my game. Removal > of the rule would act only to restrict the amount the numbers of > people who can play competitive ultimate, when I thought the idea was > to be trying to maximise the figure. > > Peter Connor > (Mad Kows) > > > Chris, > > one improvement that should be made is tighter constraints on team > > rosters: if you play for one team, then you play for that team. The > > 'guests' should not have played for another team already. I know that this > > is hard on players who's teams can't make a tournament. But say, for some > > unthinkable reason, a top 8 team can't make one tournament, one of their > > players on a lower team can really make a difference. It happened last > > tour with 'sharks' only playing 1/2 tournaments and players also playing > > for another team. This would also make teams that bit more commited to > > turning up and organising themselves. > > > > Then again this is only me so you can all tell me to fuck off if you want! > > > > Jon Good > From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Oct 1 13:02:02 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id MAA02178 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 12:57:21 +0100 (BST) Received: from venus.open.ac.uk (venus.open.ac.uk [137.108.143.2]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA02170 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 12:57:19 +0100 (BST) Received: from blake.open.ac.uk by venus with SMTP Local (MMTA v2.2) with ESMTP; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 11:39:45 +0100 Received: from [137.108.24.234] (dhcp-kmi-234.open.ac.uk) by blake.open.ac.uk (Netscape Mail Server v2.0) with ESMTP id AAA10976 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 11:37:41 +0100 X-Sender: john@blake Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199810010952.KAA13633@matrix.leeds.amsta> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 11:36:20 +0100 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: J.B.Domingue@open.ac.uk (John Domingue) Subject: Re: annual dinner Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk >1. Who were the last non-Hombres/Gun team to win >Nationals? (presumably in 1987....!! Thats what I >call domination.) > Back then there was a national league rather than a national tournament. Tennents 1084 won the league every year from the time there were formed in 83 'til they disbanded (having got down to 4 core players) in 88. As most older players know Tim Sparks can give you full details on the tennents history - including a pass by pass description of any game they played! john From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Oct 1 13:03:17 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id MAA00293 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 12:42:10 +0100 (BST) Received: from exchpk02.chelt.ac.uk (exchpk02.chelt.ac.uk [194.66.194.6]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA00286 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 12:42:08 +0100 (BST) Received: by exchpk02.chelt.ac.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 12:42:20 +0100 Message-ID: <8102C4585310D211858D0060B01A41330A38D7@exchpk02.chelt.ac.uk> From: "HUGHES, Chris" To: "'Britdisc'" Subject: Trivia Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 12:42:19 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk -----Original Message----- From: amtsjh@amsta.leeds.ac.uk [SMTP:amtsjh@amsta.leeds.ac.uk] Sent: 01 October 1998 10:53 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: annual dinner I think an annual dinner would be an excellent idea. What a great opportunity to get pissed and talk about what legends we are. I know that Sammy and Jim (village) were trying to sort this out last year - but it didn't come off. Also - a history-keeping hall of fame would be great (I reckon). Here are three tip-top trivia questions that people might want to know the answer to.... (I can supply the answer to no (2), can anyone answer (1) and (3) please?) 1. Who were the last non-Hombres/Gun team to win Nationals? (presumably in 1987....!! Thats what I call domination.) ANS: You'd have thought Si knew the answer to this one! (Catch 22 - 1998) 2. Which GB club had a player in all 4 divisions (open/masters/women/junior) at the World Ultimate Champs in Sweden 1996? ANS: Catch 22 (is ther a pattern developing here? (Druids Nationals team managed it in 1998) 3. In what season did the 'sidearm' first appear in the UK? 1922 ? Si From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Oct 1 13:49:40 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id NAA07240 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 13:31:23 +0100 (BST) Received: from tgis.co.uk (galahad.tgis.co.uk [195.188.4.6]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA07214 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 13:31:20 +0100 (BST) Received: from syscap.com (p023.5399-1.saturn.ispc.net [212.46.128.43]) by tgis.co.uk (8.8.7/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA18664 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 13:31:14 +0100 Posted-Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 13:31:14 +0100 Received: from [195.188.6.81] by syscap.com Thu, 01 Oct 98 13:26:15 +0100 X-Sender: pharvey@195.188.6.1 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 13:26:52 +0100 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: pharvey@syscap.com (Peter Harvey) Subject: Re: annual dinner Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk >1. Who were the last non-Hombres/Gun team to win >Nationals? (presumably in 1987....!! Thats what I >call domination.) Boleros? From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Oct 1 14:07:10 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id NAA10658 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 13:52:54 +0100 (BST) Received: from otto.crispgroup.co.uk (crispgroup.demon.co.uk [158.152.87.155]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA10629 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 13:52:48 +0100 (BST) Received: from [129.1.1.241] by otto.crispgroup.co.uk (NTMail 3.03.0017/1.aia2) with ESMTP id na022555 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 13:48:12 +0100 Received: from [129.1.11.56] by homer.crispgroup.co.uk (NTMail 3.03.0012/1.aia2) with ESMTP id ya029534 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 13:46:44 +0100 Received: by raviben810.crispgroup.co.uk with Microsoft Mail id <01BDED43.5178B9A0@raviben810.crispgroup.co.uk>; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 13:56:42 +0100 Message-ID: <01BDED43.5178B9A0@raviben810.crispgroup.co.uk> From: Ben Ravilious To: "'Britdisc'" Subject: FW: annual dinner Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 13:56:40 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Info: Crisp Computing Mail Server Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id NAA10648 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Great! What-o? We can all wear the old school tie & blazer, indulge in mutual backslapping and reminisce about the Derek's hair (well some people probably can). Question is, who is going to organise this? Dora, you mentioned a venue at Cambridge. I nominate Sammy as BUF bunfight officer (seeing as he had the idea?) Senconded, anyone? Is this going to co-inside with any forthcoming cultural celebrations? Xmas, New year? Ben "Doubles all round" From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Oct 1 14:08:39 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id NAA10535 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 13:52:22 +0100 (BST) Received: from curlew.cs.man.ac.uk (curlew.cs.man.ac.uk [130.88.13.7]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA10521 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 13:52:18 +0100 (BST) Received: from fs1.art.man.ac.uk ([130.88.57.1]) by curlew.cs.man.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #2) for Britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk id 0zOiDS-0006Jt-00; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 13:52:18 +0100 Received: from UK-AC-MAN-ART-FS1/SpoolDir by fs1.art.man.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); 1 Oct 98 13:52:17 GMT0BST Received: from SpoolDir by UK-AC-MAN-ART-FS1 (Mercury 1.43); 1 Oct 98 13:51:47 GMT0BST From: "Wigsy" Organization: University of Manchester To: Britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 13:51:39 GMT0BST Subject: Re: Trivia Reply-to: mfix6can@stud.man.ac.uk X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <2BCCA00925@fs1.art.man.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Chris Hughes wrote... > > 1. Who were the last non-Hombres/Gun team to win Nationals? > (presumably in 1987....!! Thats what I call domination.) > > ANS: You'd have thought Si knew the answer to this one! (Catch 22 - 1998) I think Chris is having difficulty understanding the English language. We didn't win in 1987 > 2. Which GB club had a player in all 4 divisions > (open/masters/women/junior) at the World Ultimate Champs in Sweden 1996? > > ANS: Catch 22 (is ther a pattern developing here? (Druids Nationals > team managed it in 1998) Correct > 3. In what season did the 'sidearm' first appear in the UK? > > 1922 ? We can but hope! > Si > From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Oct 1 14:21:10 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id OAA13984 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 14:10:26 +0100 (BST) Received: from [137.205.222.1] (mac-wie-31 [137.205.222.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA13952 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 14:10:22 +0100 (BST) X-Sender: serai@mail.csv.warwick.ac.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <01BDED43.5178B9A0@raviben810.crispgroup.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 14:12:59 +0100 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: Dave Neilson Subject: Re: FW: annual dinner Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk >Great! What-o? > >We can all wear the old school tie & blazer, indulge in mutual >backslapping and reminisce about the Derek's hair (well some people >probably can). > >Question is, who is going to organise this? Dora, you mentioned a venue at >Cambridge. I nominate Sammy as BUF bunfight officer (seeing as he had the >idea?) Senconded, anyone? Sammy is not up for nomination! I have talked to him about his bright ideas and he would like to let someone else have a crack at organising the details - i.e to stand up and be counted - as he has decided to sit down and take a rest. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Oct 1 15:00:43 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id OAA19966 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 14:42:34 +0100 (BST) Received: from otto.crispgroup.co.uk (crispgroup.demon.co.uk [158.152.87.155]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA19956 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 14:42:31 +0100 (BST) Received: from [129.1.1.241] by otto.crispgroup.co.uk (NTMail 3.03.0017/1.aia2) with ESMTP id ga022600 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 14:37:49 +0100 Received: from [129.1.11.56] by homer.crispgroup.co.uk (NTMail 3.03.0012/1.aia2) with ESMTP id ba029563 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 14:36:20 +0100 Received: by raviben810.crispgroup.co.uk with Microsoft Mail id <01BDED4A.3F63A660@raviben810.crispgroup.co.uk>; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 14:46:18 +0100 Message-ID: <01BDED4A.3F63A660@raviben810.crispgroup.co.uk> From: Ben Ravilious To: "'amtsjh@amsta.leeds.ac.uk'" , "'dak12@cam.ac.uk'" Cc: "'Britdisc'" Subject: Don't mail br5@le.ac.uk Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 14:46:17 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Info: Crisp Computing Mail Server Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Please note that my old email account (br5@le.ac.uk) is now defunct. Can people stop using that address. Please email me at home (bravil@webleicester.co.uk) from now on. If you have to, you can also reach me at work: ben.ravilious@crispgroup.co.uk but don't rely on that address as I move jobs frequently ;-) Thanks Ben From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Oct 1 15:03:26 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id OAA22403 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 14:55:53 +0100 (BST) Received: from chaos.oregan.net (root@chaos.oregan.net [195.173.86.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA22386 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 14:55:49 +0100 (BST) Received: from oregan.net (oregan-cambridge.demon.co.uk [212.228.27.73]) by chaos.oregan.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA21173 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 14:55:41 +0100 Message-ID: <36138A11.DF70BFAF@oregan.net> Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 14:56:33 +0100 From: Adam Bennett Organization: Oregan Networks X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: British Discsport Mailing list Subject: Annual Dinner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Seconded. Although be warned, armed response units will dispatched by the stuffy Uni authorities to quell any unsanctioned enjoyment within city limits. Nice buildings though. "Trebles on Ben!" From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Oct 1 17:52:44 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id RAA20791 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 17:35:17 +0100 (BST) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA20782 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 17:35:14 +0100 (BST) Received: from [194.222.19.95] (helo=stures.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.03 #1) id 0zOlhB-0005OZ-00; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 16:35:14 +0000 Received: by stures.demon.co.uk with Microsoft Mail id <01BDED61.BA70B0C0@stures.demon.co.uk>; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 17:34:23 +0100 Message-ID: <01BDED61.BA70B0C0@stures.demon.co.uk> From: stures To: "'S J Hill'" Cc: "'britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk'" Subject: RE: Trivia Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 17:33:25 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Stan, of course. What poor memories some of you have. 1. Who were the last non-Hombres/Gun team to win Nationals? (presumably in 1987....!! Thats what I call domination.) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Oct 2 11:43:19 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id LAA17694 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 11:21:55 +0100 (BST) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA17683 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 11:21:53 +0100 (BST) Received: from [158.152.203.174] (helo=[158.152.203.174]) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.03 #1) id 0zP2LO-00003R-00 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 10:21:50 +0000 Subject: Tooting Bec floodlit practice returns Date: Fri, 2 Oct 98 11:20:20 +0100 x-sender: ultimatum@pop3.demon.co.uk x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: Paul Hurt To: "BritDisc" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Message-Id: Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Message for London players (south and central in particular) Floodlit outdoor practices at Tooting Bec running track are on. =============================================================== Basically, the same deal as the last two years: When: Monday evenings, 7.00 - 9.00 Where: Tooting Bec Athletics Track Getting there: Tooting Bec tube (Northern Line) then walk south-east down Tooting Bec Road, towards Streatham. Athletics track is on your right, about 10min walk. Or if driving, park in the car park directly across the main road from the track. Cost: (pay at entrance) 1.50, or 80p I think for students/un-waged. Starting: THIS COMING MONDAY (5th Oct) and running until early March. More info?: call me on 0181 767 8243 (h) or 0370 918719 (m) See you there Paul --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Hurt Editor, Ultimatum Magazine, London, England editor@ultimatum.demon.co.uk Visit Ultimatum Online... http://www.ultimatum.demon.co.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Oct 2 12:55:48 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id MAA29873 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 12:41:22 +0100 (BST) Received: from ntintel1.webleicester.co.uk ([195.146.160.4]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA29866 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 12:41:18 +0100 (BST) Received: by NTINTEL1 with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 12:41:45 +0100 Message-ID: From: Ian Scotland To: BritDisc Subject: LEICESTER floodlit practice returns Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 12:41:44 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk > Message for LEICESTERSHIRE players (and surrounding counties) > > Floodlit outdoor practices at Leicester Mandella Park are back on. > =============================================================== > > Basically, the same deal as the last week! > > When: THURSDAY evenings, 7.00 - 9.00 > Where: Leicester Mandella Park > > Getting there: Leicester Train Station - cross the road and take Waterloo Way heading away from the station, walk 400yards and the park is there on your right. You can't miss it the flood-lights will be on!! > Cost: 0.00p (for now!) > > Starting: Already started > > More info?: call me on 0116 2230074 (w) OR 0116 2841785 > > See you there > > Scott This is not a joke! All are welcome, but you will be expected to work!! From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Oct 2 13:44:41 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id NAA07088 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 13:29:59 +0100 (BST) Received: from hotmail.com (f136.hotmail.com [207.82.251.15]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA07059 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 13:29:53 +0100 (BST) Received: (qmail 29705 invoked by uid 0); 2 Oct 1998 12:29:20 -0000 Message-ID: <19981002122920.29704.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 195.50.71.148 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 02 Oct 1998 05:29:19 PDT X-Originating-IP: [195.50.71.148] From: "bob kumar" To: Britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 05:29:19 PDT Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hong Kong Sevens After the initial response for the tournament, can I just clear up any confusion there may be that this is not an ' iron man ' tournament !!! cheers Janitors ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sat Oct 3 11:49:40 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id LAA22136 for britdisc-outgoing; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 11:36:13 +0100 (BST) Received: from clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@clover-fddi [137.205.4.2]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA22103 for ; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 11:36:10 +0100 (BST) Received: from aisle (aisle.tesco.net [194.73.73.167]) by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA09935 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 20:26:13 +0100 (BST) Received: from default [62.172.28.129] by aisle with smtp (Exim 1.70 #1) id 0zPAnC-0004PN-00; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 20:23:07 +0100 Message-ID: <016e01bdee39$66f32800$811cac3e@default> From: "Delbert" To: "Britdisc" Subject: We wuz robbed!! Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 20:14:31 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk First off, congrats to Catch for robbing us of our rightful victory. To all UTI players, sorry I missed it. It won't happen again. Promise. To everyone else, glad I missed it. Could any UTI player get back to me and let me know when/where our next practice is, assumming we've all finished sulking? In addition an updated team mailing/contact list would be useful so stop hiding and let me know where you are. Del (UTI) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sat Oct 3 20:08:40 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id PAA25785 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 15:25:56 +0100 (BST) Received: from maggiore.dsnet.it (maggiore.dsnet.it [195.250.233.15]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA25767 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 15:25:50 +0100 (BST) Received: (qmail 6422 invoked from network); 2 Oct 1998 14:25:32 -0000 Received: from pppdin80.dsnet.it (HELO mailbox.dsnet.it) (195.250.230.175) by maggiore.dsnet.it with SMTP; 2 Oct 1998 14:25:32 -0000 Message-ID: <3614E0B6.1D56C398@mailbox.dsnet.it> Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 16:18:30 +0200 From: Peldi Reply-To: peldi@ultilinks.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: BritDisc , "EuroDisc@ira.uka.de" Subject: Ultilinks, The Ultimate Starting Point Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk More than 570 Ultimate related Links. http://www.ultilinks.com/ Teams, Upcoming Tournaments, Federations, Search Engine, Educational, Online Shops, and much much more... 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Peldi From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Oct 5 00:19:38 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id AAA09298 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 00:02:46 +0100 (BST) Received: from praseodumium.btinternet.com (praseodumium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.82]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA09293 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 00:02:44 +0100 (BST) Received: from btinternet.com [195.99.46.80] by praseodumium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 1.70 #1) id 0zPx70-0005UT-00; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 23:58:46 +0100 Message-ID: To: "'Britdisc'" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mark Jefferson Subject: Discs Date: Sun, 04 Oct 98 22:54:02 +0100 ( + ) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id AAA09294 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi Guys Brief, and no doubt repetitive, question - who do I harass to obtain BUF discs please? Any useful replies will be greatly appreciated. Dirty money to the right reply..... Mark Jefferson Whiplash 14 Troutbeck Peartree Bridge Milton Keynes MK6 3ED 01908 666573 Mark.JJ@btinternet.com From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Oct 5 08:08:56 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id HAA03232 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 07:47:04 +0100 (BST) Received: from gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (ralf@gem [137.205.227.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA03206 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 07:47:02 +0100 (BST) Received: (from ralf@localhost) by gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA14678 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 07:47:01 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 07:47:01 +0100 (BST) From: Ranulf Doswell Message-Id: <199810050647.HAA14678@gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: BFDF Events Reminder Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk British Flying Disc Federation Disc Events Diary ------------------------------------------------ The events list can also be found at http://www.dcs.warwick.ac.uk/~ralf/bfdf/ ---------- Saturday 10th October 1998 BDGA Doubles Matchplay Championships (2 days) @ Ashton Court, Bristol [Golf] Contact Bud Tilton Email raf.freire@bristol.ac.uk Phone (0117) 926 9855 Saturday 17th October 1998 Women's Nationals (2 days) @ Oxford [Women's Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Tara Jewell Email 97315250@brookes.ac.uk Phone 01865 246158 Contact Emma-Jayne Slater Email Emma-Jayne.Slater@gartner.com Saturday 24th October 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Whitcombe, Dorset [Golf Handicap] Saturday 7th November 1998 BDGA Singles Matchplay (2 days) @ TBC [Golf] Contact Andy Lucey Email andy_lucey@cargill.com Phone 0181 767 6766 Saturday 21st November 1998 Student Indoor Midland Qualifiers (2 days) [Students' Indoor Ultimate] Contact Simon Weeks Address 74 Commonside Sheffeild S10 1GG Email gga95sew@sheffield.ac.uk Phone 0114 266 2304 Saturday 28th November 1998 Red Co-ed Indoors (2 days) TBC @ Enderby Leisure Centre, Leicester. [Indoor Ultimate] Contact Leicester Ultimate Club (Red) Address PO Box 1075 Leicester LE2 1YQ Email red@ultimateweb.co.uk Phone 0116 2559638 (Ben Ravilious) Saturday 5th June 1999 Date reserved (2 days) ---------------------------------------------------------- British Flying Disc Federation Disc Events Diary http://www.dcs.warwick.ac.uk/~ralf/bfdf/ Ranulf Doswell, ralf@dcs.warwick.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Oct 5 10:38:23 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id KAA24073 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 10:12:48 +0100 (BST) Received: from beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk (beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.129.138]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA24067 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 10:12:46 +0100 (BST) Received: from cedar.sucs.soton.ac.uk (cedar.sucs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.128.92]) by beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.8/relay-02) with ESMTP id KAA26894 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 10:12:46 +0100 (BST) Received: from b62a-13.sucs.soton.ac.uk (b62a-13.sucs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.237.69]) by cedar.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.8/relay-02) with SMTP id KAA13877 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 10:07:00 +0100 (BST) From: Suze Reply-To: scp195@soton.ac.uk To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Some email addresses please Message-ID: Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 10:07:45 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: Simeon for Windows Version 4.1.4 Build (40) X-Authentication: none MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi, I am trying to get hold of someone from Mohawks, MTJAH, Mythago and also Nolan. Could they mail me please or does anyone have their addresses? Cheers Suze (Skunks) ---------------------- Suze scp195@soton.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Oct 5 11:13:47 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id KAA02555 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 10:48:39 +0100 (BST) Received: from src.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (ralf@src [137.205.227.132]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA02508 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 10:48:34 +0100 (BST) Received: (from ralf@localhost) by src.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA27933 for britdisc@csv; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 10:49:29 +0100 (BST) From: Ralf Message-Id: <199810050949.KAA27933@src.dcs.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: tournamnets! (fwd) To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 10:49:28 +0100 (BST) Reply-To: u01ngp@abdn.ac.uk X-Quote: Productivity is in the eye of the beholder. X-Quote: The closest to perfection a person ever comes is when they fill out a job application. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL35 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Anyone know more about this? Ralf ----- Forwarded message from u01ngp ----- >From u01ngp@abdn.ac.uk Sun Oct 4 16:28:04 1998 Message-ID: <361793B8.2D21E80@abdn.ac.uk> Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 16:26:48 +0100 From: u01ngp X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (WinNT; I) To: ralf@dcs.warwick.ac.uk Subject: tournamnets! Hello! I am secretary this year for the Aberdeen Uni Ultimate club (bum job, but somebodies got a do it) and I am really interested in getting to some tournaments. Through the grapevine I keep hearing about a freshers tournament that Edinburgh holds - is it true, and where do I get hold of more info? Most of our players are all serious novices, but we have the spirit thing down to a tee! If you could get me some info, I would really appreciate it Cheers Neil Preston u01ngp@abdn.ac.uk ----- End of forwarded message from u01ngp ----- ____ ____ _ _ ____ .----------------------------------------. _\__ \ _\__ \ / \ / \\__/ | Ranulf Doswell | / \_/ /_ / \_/ \ / / / /___ | Department of Computer Science | \ __ \\ __ \\ \ _\ \\_/ |University of Warwick, COVENTRY, CV4 7AL| \ \ \ \\ \ \ \\ \__/ \\ \ | Phone: 01203 523296 Fax: 01203 525714 | \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \______/ \_/ `----------------------------------------' From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Oct 5 18:46:07 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id SAA13961 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 18:27:39 +0100 (BST) Received: from hotmail.com (f284.hotmail.com [207.82.251.175]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA13953 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 18:27:34 +0100 (BST) Received: (qmail 20827 invoked by uid 0); 5 Oct 1998 17:27:01 -0000 Message-ID: <19981005172701.20826.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 195.219.17.99 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 05 Oct 1998 10:27:01 PDT X-Originating-IP: [195.219.17.99] From: "Paul Ruff" To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Where can I get cheap 175gramm discs? Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 10:27:01 PDT Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Can anyone tell me where I can get hold of cheap 175gramm discs. Any names/phone no's would be gratefully received. I need about 10 for some of the pupils at my school. Cheers, Paul Ruff ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Oct 6 01:12:35 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id AAA18941 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 00:58:37 +0100 (BST) Received: from mail-gw1.webleicester.net (mailgate.webleicester.co.uk [195.146.160.12]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA18936 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 00:58:34 +0100 (BST) Received: from pii266 (pool-pri1-029.webleicester.co.uk [195.146.164.29]) by mail-gw1.webleicester.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id AAA22288 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 00:57:23 +0100 (BST) Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 01:02:41 +0100 Message-ID: <01BDF0C5.050243E0.bravil@webleicester.co.uk> From: Ben Ravilious Reply-To: "bravil@webleicester.co.uk" To: "'Britdisc'" Subject: BUF EGM 26/9/98 Minutes Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 00:33:34 +0100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Minutes of the British Ultimate Federation EGM 26th September 1998 28B Blenheim Road Bristol Present: Laura Pearce (BUF National Director - Violently Happy & Others) Simon Church (Jesters) Chris Hughes (Fluid Druids) Rebecca Humphries (Twin Peaks) Dave Trovelle (UTI) Sarah Davison (GB Women) Andy Tucker - aka Norm (UTI) Guy Bowles (GB Open) Colin Wagstaff (UTI) Nancy Stebbing (First Touch) Ian Stebbing (Fluid Druids) Ian Scotland -aka Scott (Red) Ben Ravilious (BUF Secretary - Red) Paul Hurt (Ultimatum Editor - Village People) Apologies: Gavin Bates (Out-going BUF Treasurer - Red) Meeting started 6:40pm Election of Officers (positions which remained vacant from the AGM of 11/9/98) Treasurer: Ian Stebbing Director of Competitions (DOC): Chris Hughes Chris has accepted that the position of DOC is too much for one person to handle exclusively. It was recognised that he would need to seek continued help from other people in running all the competition-related matters. It was therefore accepted that Simon Hill would continue to maintain the rules and regulations of the Tour. Andy Tucker agreed to direct the Tour itself. This Tour committee would oversee developing the Tour events. Masters Co-ordinator: Vacant It was agreed that this position could be allowed to remain vacant until such time as an international tournament required the election of a co-ordinator. Finance Report Gavin Bates sent his apologies for having not yet produced the 1998 finance report. The particulars of the finance agenda (Associated Membership Fees, Tournament Taxes, Budgets, etc) could not therefore be discussed. It is understood that the BUF finances are in good shape and that the current financial status quo regarding income from tournaments and subscriptions could remain until the new committee decided to make any changes. Guy Bowles wanted to see how the money was being spent. He suggested that the funding priorities be published for all to see. Sarah Davison requested that the financial report and funding priorities be distributed on a handout at tournaments. Simon Church suggested including such a handout with the BUF subscription packs. ACTIONS: ? Gavin Bates to deliver the Finance Report ASAP. ? Finance Report and a breakdown of the BUF funding priorities to be made public via Internet and a handout at tournaments. BFDF Dissolution The dissolution of the British Flying Disc Federation at the BUF AGM of 11/9/98 has meant that there are a few issues that the BUF must now oversee: - Simon Moore's (GB Open Coach) Coach Training Initiative. Simon is currently developing a programme to train coaches with the goal of establishing courses and formal qualifications. It is hoped to encourage players from British teams to learn to coach their sport. Diary Manager. The diary, maintained by Ranulf Doswell (Bears), has kept up-to-date listings of all UK disc sport events. This position will now be the responsibility of the BUF and it is accepted that the diary will continue to list non-Ultimate events. Tour and Nationals Simon Hill's suggestion that the Tour be reduced to four events was voiced. Chris Hughes disagreed with this but suggested that he may try to put the five tournaments closer together leaving a longer summer break before the nationals. Chris also expressed a desire to reduce the number of teams competing in the tour to sixteen as currently there were too many teams taking part meaning bigger and bigger venues were needing to be found. Nancy Stebbing said that lower placed teams found it very hard to improve their positions or get into the top eight. Chris said that changes to how the seeding system for the tour events could be made to make it easier for teams to move up or down the ranks. Overall it was agreed that the Tour has been extremely successful. Chris appealed for more people to come forward with venues for events, especially in the North of the country. Ultimatum Paul Hurt (Ultimatum Editor) expressed his frustration that people were not forthcoming with content for the magazine. Lack of contributions meant that issues were inevitably containing old news. He said that he was ready to quit editing the magazine if the situation didn't improve. It was agreed that the previously discussed compromise of having more regular less glossy 'newsletter' editions but with an annual bumper issue could help to reduce the workload. Ben Ravilious suggested that the emphasis of the newsletter change towards forthcoming events and initiatives rather than the tournament reports formula. Nancy Stebbing pointed out that in the USA the Ultimate Players Association gets its officials to write for their newsletters. Sarah Davison expressed her frustration that so much of the news in British Ultimate was broken only on Britdisc, the Internet mailing list which is not accessible to everyone. It was agreed that a summary of recent postings and discussions on Britdisc would be a good source of material for the newsletter and would also keep non-netted players up to date. This could then be distributed at tournaments or possibly mailed to players. It has been decided to ask for someone to step forward to rake on the role of editing a newsletter based on the elements discussed above. Scott suggested paying people to contribute might be an option. ACTION: Ben to publicise this issue to try to attract a newsletter editor. Any Other Business BUF Contacts Database Ben Ravilious announced the imminent appearance of an improved Ultimate contacts list accessible on the BUF website which would encourage players and teams to keep their details up to date and enable visitors to find local teams and players more easily. Chris Hughes cited a classic example of poor contact information when he discovered that there had been a team playing in his home town (Cheltenham) for quite a while without him knowing about it! Women's Teams at the 1999 World Clubs. Laura Pearce said that there is a lot of uncertainty as to which womens' teams will qualify for the World Clubs. There had been rumours that Bliss and Twin Peaks would automatically qualify, It was agreed to hold a special meeting discuss this issue at the Womens' Outdoor Nationals on 17/18 October 1998. General Worlds Qualification. Further rumours had been circulating that the top six British Open teams would qualify but nobody could substantiate this. Scott said that given a quota of slots, it is up to the BUF to decide which teams qualify (undoubtedly to be based on Nationals results). He also said that this quota would be a result of the National Team's performance at the World Championships with additional places becoming available with other countries not using up their full quota. ACTION: Ben to make a formal approach to the World Flying Disc Federation to find out what the British quotas will be. GB Teams Managers' Positions. It was announced that the GB Teams managers' positions were up for grabs at the end of October. ACTION: Ben to announce this. Toast to Spirit of the Game. Meeting ended 7:45pm From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Oct 6 01:15:54 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id AAA18954 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 00:58:43 +0100 (BST) Received: from mail-gw1.webleicester.net (mailgate.webleicester.co.uk [195.146.160.12]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA18946 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 00:58:41 +0100 (BST) Received: from pii266 (pool-pri1-029.webleicester.co.uk [195.146.164.29]) by mail-gw1.webleicester.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id AAA22292 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 00:57:31 +0100 (BST) Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 01:02:50 +0100 Message-ID: <01BDF0C5.0A1DF180.bravil@webleicester.co.uk> From: Ben Ravilious Reply-To: "bravil@webleicester.co.uk" To: "'Britdisc'" Subject: Important Matters which Effect your Team Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 01:01:08 +0100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Dear All, Can I draw peoples attention to the minutes of the BUF EGM held at the Nationals which have now been posted on Britdisc There are some pretty big issues hanging over us at the moment and myself and the other BUF folks would appreciate it if everyone had a read through what was discussed. I have included a quick summary below to give you some idea of what was discussed and decided. Thanks Ben Ravilious BUF Secretary QUICK SUMMARY (for you busy people out there ;-) General Worlds Qualification. "Top Six Qualify" is just a rumour!!! Not yet a certainty. GB Coaches Positions These positions are now up for grabs. Womens teams qualification for the 1999 World Clubs Meeting to discuss this will take place at the Womens Outdoor Nationals (17/18th October @ Oxford) Tour and Nationals: Tour to remain as five events but reduced to fewer (16?) teams. Tour tournaments to be run closer together to leave a longer summer break for other events. APPEAL FOR MORE PEOPLE TO RUN TOURNAMENTS - ESPECIALLY IN THE NORTH. Ultimatum: Paul Hurt is ready to quit (that means no Ultimatum folks) if more people dont come up with material. Format to change to include summary of britdisc discussions with a greter emphasis on forthcoming events and issues. Aim to publish a more regular 'newsletter' style hand-out with an 'annual' at the end of the year. WE NEED SOMEONE TO EDIT BRITDISC POSTINGS FOR INCLUSION IN ULTIMATUM NEWSLETTER. Not a huge job. Contact me if you're interested. Please! BUF Elections: Treasurer: Ian Stebbing Director of Competitions: Chris Hughes + Norm and others. Masters Co-ordinator: Left Vacant BUF Contacts Database: Improved BUF website search engine to allow people to find teams/players in their area. Finance: BUF finances in good shape. Status quo can remain. BUF to publicise financial priorities. BFDF Dissolution: BUF now to oversee BFDF Diary (Ralf's baby) and Simon Moores coaching programme. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Oct 6 09:23:41 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id JAA20037 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 09:11:18 +0100 (BST) Received: from exchpk02.chelt.ac.uk (exchpk02.chelt.ac.uk [194.66.194.6]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA20028 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 09:11:15 +0100 (BST) Received: by exchpk02.chelt.ac.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id <4J9BWLLN>; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 09:11:30 +0100 Message-ID: <8102C4585310D211858D0060B01A41330A38E4@exchpk02.chelt.ac.uk> From: "HUGHES, Chris" To: "'Britdisc'" Subject: Re: Tour 99 Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 09:11:21 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk I would just like to clarify something that came out in the BUF EGM minutes. The suggestion that was put forward that the tour was reduced to 16 teams was suggested as part of a splitting the tour into an A and B division; with each section having their own events. It was not suggested that the top 16 teams have their own tour and the rest of the teams don't have any tournaments at all. This was part of a discussion about the fact that we need to be able to cope with at least 32 teams at every event, as the number of teams entering the tour is increasing. This then requires venues to have at least 10 pitches and ideally twelve or more. As there is a limit to the number of sites we can get with this number of pitches we may be forced to continue as we are and exclude teams from the entry list of each tour or split the tour into two halves utilising smaller venues so allowing all teams to play. Chris From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Oct 6 12:20:17 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id MAA28572 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 12:01:12 +0100 (BST) Received: from curlew.cs.man.ac.uk (curlew.cs.man.ac.uk [130.88.13.7]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA28556 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 12:01:06 +0100 (BST) Received: from fs1.art.man.ac.uk ([130.88.57.1]) by curlew.cs.man.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #2) for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk id 0zQUrZ-000459-01; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 12:01:05 +0100 Received: from UK-AC-MAN-ART-FS1/SpoolDir by fs1.art.man.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); 6 Oct 98 12:01:05 GMT0BST Received: from SpoolDir by UK-AC-MAN-ART-FS1 (Mercury 1.43); 6 Oct 98 12:00:38 GMT0BST From: "Wigsy" Organization: University of Manchester To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 12:00:25 GMT0BST Subject: Re: Tour 99 Reply-to: mfix6can@stud.man.ac.uk X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Chri Hughes wrote: > The suggestion that was put forward that the tour was reduced to 16 teams > was suggested as part of a splitting the tour into an A and B division; with > each section having their own events. > we need to be able to cope with at least 32 teams at every event, >This then requires venues to have at least 10 pitches > and ideally twelve or more. As there is a limit to the number of sites we > can get with this number of pitches we may be forced to continue as we are > and exclude teams from the entry list of each tour or split the tour into > two halves utilising smaller venues so allowing all teams to play. Why can we not go a step further and divide ultimate into four division of eight, with promotion and relegation at the end of each season, with an open ended division at the bottom, for the teams that are getting started. Each division could have it's own co-ordinator and tournaments which would mean a greater variety of venues would be looked for, including more in the north of the country. This would concentrate ultimate playing and give teams more of a incentive to strive for. I realise at the same time that there are going to be teams would go up and down like Bolton but hopefully the chance to play in a higher division would encourage them to practise more often and with greater seriousness. Fair enough that some of the new teams might not learn as much because they aren't watching some of the best teams play but then we make sure that there are more non-tour tournaments where they can get experience. And the top teams and players would attend because after a hard fought tour I know, for example, Catch certainly enjoyed going to Ross. If people don't think that this is viable, fair enough, it is only a suggestion, but I do think that ultimate needs to take more of definite direction. Please reply asap Christian 22, JTM, Dad and Bouffant From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Oct 6 12:25:04 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id MAA02130 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 12:15:45 +0100 (BST) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA02118 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 12:15:43 +0100 (BST) Received: from [194.222.78.33] (helo=tayte.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.03 #1) id 0zQV5h-0000vI-00 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 11:15:42 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 12:11:59 +0100 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: Colin Smith Subject: Student South East Regionals & League MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (16) Version 3.05 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Si Weeks has told me that there haven't been any bids yet for this indoor tournament. We have the opportunity to offer the regionals really early (24/25th Oct) at Kingston University, but haven't yet put in a bid. It seems pointless to do so if it's too short notice. So, we're trying to find another venue for a more reasonable date in November (anyone else want to host it?), but if South East Universities want it that early, and can get their money to us rapidly, then we'll organise it (so long as that's okay with our new Student Co-ordinator). Please e-mail me back at this address asap if it appeals. At the same time, please e-mail me your contact details for the South East Regional league which I'm organising this year. Sooner we can get this running the better. I think we should stick to the same format as that introduced by Locks last year. Wednesday afternoons between now and Christmas. Lets have as many teams as possible. Cheers Sick Boy -- Colin Smith From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Oct 6 12:40:10 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id MAA04242 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 12:23:46 +0100 (BST) Received: from imo21.mx.aol.com (imo21.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.65]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA04216 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 12:23:39 +0100 (BST) From: BPeek85175@aol.com Received: from BPeek85175@aol.com by imo21.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id IDDIa17824 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 07:22:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <8b2549d8.3619fd67@aol.com> Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 07:22:15 EDT To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Durham Ultimate Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 170 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Does anyone know of an Ultimate team in Durham? (I've already checked the BUF home page). An ex-Fly is dying of boredom. If so, can you give me some contact details? Thanks a lot Ben (SuperFly) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Oct 6 12:42:44 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id MAA04040 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 12:23:05 +0100 (BST) Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (imo22.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.66]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA04026 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 12:23:02 +0100 (BST) From: BPeek85175@aol.com Received: from BPeek85175@aol.com by imo22.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id IQKTa22760 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 07:22:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <345e7b57.3619fd67@aol.com> Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 07:22:15 EDT To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Durham Ultimate Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 170 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Does anyone know of an Ultimate team in Durham? (I've already checked the BUF home page). An ex-Fly is dying of boredom. If so, can you give me some contact details? Thanks a lot Ben (SuperFly) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Oct 6 13:50:36 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id NAA22250 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 13:31:31 +0100 (BST) Received: from spuggie.cen.brad.ac.uk (root@spuggie.cen.brad.ac.uk [143.53.238.24]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA22224 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 13:31:28 +0100 (BST) Received: from kite.cen.brad.ac.uk (bjsilcoc@kite.cen.brad.ac.uk [143.53.238.22]) by spuggie.cen.brad.ac.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id NAA16791 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 13:31:09 +0100 (BST) Received: from localhost (bjsilcoc@localhost) by kite.cen.brad.ac.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id NAA20142 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 13:31:09 +0100 (BST) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 13:31:09 +0100 (BST) From: "Flowers never bend with the rainfall." X-Sender: bjsilcoc@kite.cen.brad.ac.uk To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Student details Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Sorry Everybody else! I have only just resubscribed to britdisc just now, and can't find Dave Barnards e-mail address (Student coordinator blokey). So I will have to send my contact details via britdisc. Bradford Disciples Ben Silcock 66 Rugby place Bradford BD7 2DE Phon 01274 413650 e-mail bjsilcoc@bradford.ac.uk Cheers Ben Disciples & MMJ ***************************************************************************** `'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'` '`'`'`'Benjamin Silcock * Biomedical Sciences * Bradford University '`'`'`'`' `'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'` '`'`'`'`'`If you live life for every moment, Tomorrow never comes`'`'`'`'`'`' `'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'` '`'`'`'`'`When I die, my whole life will be forgotten. Will yours?'`'`'`'`'`' `'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'` ***************************************************************************** From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Oct 6 14:13:45 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id NAA28441 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 13:55:47 +0100 (BST) Received: from postcard.KSCL.COM (postcard.kscl.com [194.159.98.2]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA28424 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 13:55:43 +0100 (BST) Received: by POSTCARD.kscl.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 13:57:07 +0100 Message-ID: From: Fraser Macrae To: "'britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk'" Subject: RE: Tour 99 Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 13:57:05 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Sounds like a good idea, maybe with divisions/tournaments of 12 so we don't get tournaments being canceled due teams dropping out or not being able to make it. Then if some teams can't make their respective tournaments, then they'll just score less points and get relegated into a more suitable division. The same goes for the up coming teams who are keen to play to gain experience are then more likely to move up. Not all divisions would have to be the same size though, but whatever happens we will still need more tournaments.... Chris, are you taking bids for tours yet? Fraser Sneeeky's ---------- From: Wigsy [SMTP:mfix6can@fs1.art.man.ac.uk] Sent: 06 October 1998 13:00 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Re: Tour 99 Chri Hughes wrote: > The suggestion that was put forward that the tour was reduced to 16 teams > was suggested as part of a splitting the tour into an A and B division; with > each section having their own events. > we need to be able to cope with at least 32 teams at every event, >This then requires venues to have at least 10 pitches > and ideally twelve or more. As there is a limit to the number of sites we > can get with this number of pitches we may be forced to continue as we are > and exclude teams from the entry list of each tour or split the tour into > two halves utilising smaller venues so allowing all teams to play. Why can we not go a step further and divide ultimate into four division of eight, with promotion and relegation at the end of each season, with an open ended division at the bottom, for the teams that are getting started. Each division could have it's own co-ordinator and tournaments which would mean a greater variety of venues would be looked for, including more in the north of the country. This would concentrate ultimate playing and give teams more of a incentive to strive for. I realise at the same time that there are going to be teams would go up and down like Bolton but hopefully the chance to play in a higher division would encourage them to practise more often and with greater seriousness. Fair enough that some of the new teams might not learn as much because they aren't watching some of the best teams play but then we make sure that there are more non-tour tournaments where they can get experience. And the top teams and players would attend because after a hard fought tour I know, for example, Catch certainly enjoyed going to Ross. If people don't think that this is viable, fair enough, it is only a suggestion, but I do think that ultimate needs to take more of definite direction. Please reply asap Christian 22, JTM, Dad and Bouffant From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Oct 6 14:40:15 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id OAA05314 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 14:16:52 +0100 (BST) Received: from smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk ([62.172.72.129]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA05299 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 14:16:50 +0100 (BST) From: Wayne_Retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk Received: from ccMail by smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk (IMA Internet Exchange 3.01 Enterprise) id 000199CE; Tue, 6 Oct 98 14:12:01 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 14:12:22 +0100 Message-ID: <000199CE.CE21337@watsonwyatt.co.uk> Subject: Re: Durham Ultimate To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk You need to get hold of "Big" John, the GB Junior, who is studying in Durham as of about now... Unless John's on BritDisc, you'll need to contact Patch Winser (the GB Junior coach) or someone from Chevron Action Flash (Si Weeks/Jeff Jackson) for some contact details... Hope it helps Wayne ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Durham Ultimate Author: BPeek85175@aol.com at ~Internet Date: 06/10/98 07:22 Does anyone know of an Ultimate team in Durham? (I've already checked the BUF home page). An ex-Fly is dying of boredom. If so, can you give me some contact details? Thanks a lot Ben (SuperFly) ________________________________________________________________ Notice of Confidentiality This transmission is intended for the named addressee only. It contains information which may be confidential and which may also be privileged. Unless you are the named addressee (or authorised to receive it for the addressee) you may not copy or use it, or disclose it to anyone else. If you have received this transmission in error please contact: ~admin@watsonwyatt.co.uk or IT Manager: +44(0)1737 241144 Fax: +44(0)1737 241496 Watson Wyatt Partners is regulated by the Institute of Actuaries in the conduct of UK investment business. _________________________________________________________________ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Oct 6 16:48:51 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id QAA13326 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 16:31:53 +0100 (BST) Received: from smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk ([62.172.72.129]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA13313 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 16:31:50 +0100 (BST) From: Wayne_Retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk Received: from ccMail by smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk (IMA Internet Exchange 3.01 Enterprise) id 00019BA1; Tue, 6 Oct 98 16:27:22 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 16:25:51 +0100 Message-ID: <00019BA1.CE21337@watsonwyatt.co.uk> Subject: Re[2]: Tour 99 To: "'britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk'" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk From: Wigsy [SMTP:mfix6can@fs1.art.man.ac.uk] >Why can we not go a step further and divide ultimate into four division >of eight, with promotion and relegation at the end of each season, with >an open ended division at the bottom, for the teams that are getting >started. > Author: Fraser Macrae >Sounds like a good idea, maybe with divisions/tournaments of 12 so we >don't get tournaments being canceled due teams dropping out or not >being able to make it. Nice idea from Wigsy, but the flaw was spotted by Fraser - Ultimate in the UK is *still* not big enough to make the divisions smaller (despite the apparent need to limit the size of the Tour events!) - maybe in a couple of years it'll be viable to go to four (or more?) divisions of "Ultim8", but not just yet. It also strikes me that we'd see the (currently) undesired (?) split into regions as people play at their nearest events rather than incurring the hassle/expense of going further to play. In the current conditions, I don't see this as beneficial to the level of Ultimate in ths UK.. again though, it strikes me as being OK when the sport has increased in size some more. As the size of Ultimate and the desire to play increases, I suspect that we'll see the increase/evolution of the Tooting/LUS/Leicester/Yorkshire practice/leagues into 'proper' weeknight leagues, and the emphasis of weekend tournaments may change again. Wayne Retter wayne_retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk ________________________________________________________________ Notice of Confidentiality This transmission is intended for the named addressee only. It contains information which may be confidential and which may also be privileged. Unless you are the named addressee (or authorised to receive it for the addressee) you may not copy or use it, or disclose it to anyone else. If you have received this transmission in error please contact: ~admin@watsonwyatt.co.uk or IT Manager: +44(0)1737 241144 Fax: +44(0)1737 241496 Watson Wyatt Partners is regulated by the Institute of Actuaries in the conduct of UK investment business. _________________________________________________________________ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Oct 6 17:33:43 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id RAA24768 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 17:16:02 +0100 (BST) Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA24749 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 17:15:58 +0100 (BST) Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA05527 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 17:15:57 +0100 (BST) Received: from uks447.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 6 Oct 1998 16:15:56 UT Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id RAA08832; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 17:15:55 +0100 Message-Id: <199810061615.RAA08832@uks447> Date: 06 Oct 98 16:35:09 +0100 From: "RCOLE.UK.ORACLE.COM" To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Tour 99 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Christian suggested 4 divisions with teams being promoted or demoted at the end of the season, but how about 1/2 way through? This would give teams the opportunity to work hard and be rewarded earlier on in the season, and give teams different opponents (the same 7 teams each tour for 5 tours? Sounds like this years...) halfway through. Although it is fun to beat/lose to the same teams every week, and you all improve, as shown by Chevy, and the Headrush-Touch-Red trio, it gets a touch boring after a while. Rob Cole ***************************************************************************** Robert Cole Tel: 0118 924 4873 Associate Consultant Mobile: 0961 170 759 Enterprise Methods and Tools Internal Extn: 44873 Oracle UK Fax: 0118 924 5605 Building 530 Email: rcole@uk.oracle.com Thames Valley Park Reading, RG6 1RA ***************************************************************************** From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Oct 6 18:17:08 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id SAA05214 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 18:02:01 +0100 (BST) Received: from exchpk02.chelt.ac.uk (exchpk02.chelt.ac.uk [194.66.194.6]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA05207 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 18:01:57 +0100 (BST) Received: by exchpk02.chelt.ac.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id <4J9BW335>; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 18:02:12 +0100 Message-ID: <8102C4585310D211858D0060B01A41330A38E8@exchpk02.chelt.ac.uk> From: "HUGHES, Chris" To: "'Britdisc'" Subject: Tournament Bids Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 18:02:07 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Ok, this letter is for information really on a number of subjects. 1. Students anyone interested in organising a student event needs to speak to Si weeks ( gga95sew@sheffield.ac.uk ), however I believe that Student Indoor Nationals has been confirmed. Yet TD's are still required for the regionals (if si has confirmed you as TD for a student regional then great) 2. I appreciate all those prospective TD's asking if they can host a tour event / indoor regionals / indoor nationals next year. I am still trying to fit together a plan that allows teams to include major foreign tournaments in their build up for worlds. Ideas are in the offing and still in discussion. Prospective dates will be published as soon as possible. 3. All TD's for the tour need to consider the following points when setting up a bid. We will now need at least ten pitches to accommodate enough teams for the tour. Split venues will be considered but beware they are organisational nightmares, the two sites will need to be close enough to walk between the two. Accommodation - especially if the weather was as bad as this year. Medical facilities - paramedics and / or St Johns a must, and also physio's. Pitch side food. Pitch side huddle area. Party. Cost. 4. If your bid does not get selected - do not stop there run the tournament anyway in the summer or a free weekend. Dates out soon; Chris P.S. Kev Lowe mail me please - I don't have an address for you From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Oct 6 18:18:34 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id SAA06564 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 18:09:41 +0100 (BST) Received: from polaris.kbw.co.uk (dns1.kbw.co.uk [193.132.201.37]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA06537 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 18:09:37 +0100 (BST) Received: by dns1.kbw.co.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <42YVM01P>; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 17:57:56 +0100 Message-ID: <5916162CC25BD21186D700A0C997E63D5676@dns1.kbw.co.uk> From: Roger Thomson To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: RE: Tour 99 - how to run it? Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 17:57:54 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk For what it's worth (and give up now if you're not a statto of any description): 1) Given the number of teams and marked differences in levels of ability, demotion and promotion could lead to good teams (Touch or Headrush for example) being cast into the abyss below them for half a season, or weaker teams (Violently or BAF) being elevated like kings then used as whipping boys for the rest of the season. 2) 8 is probably too small for subdivisions as this would mean running the equivalent of 4 tournies in place of what has been 1 tour event. So...a compromise (but promising..) solution could be: For Tour 1 have a 12-team Division 1, and a larger (16 or however many we could cater for) Division 2 - probably at different venues (as the consensus seems to be moving this way). Separating the top 12 would prevent the exclusion of lower teams from the Tour and give everyone a chance at experience-enhancing competition. For Tour 2 add the top 4 teams from Division 1, and again have whatever size is deemed appropriate for Division 2. This would introduce a highly competitve element into Division 2: Tour 1 games, as teams are playing for promotion. Tour 2: Division 1 would also be highly exciting as, yes you guessed it - the bottom four teams go back down to division 2. Tour 3: as Tour 1 Tour 4: as Tour 2 Tour 5: as Tour 1. This would: 1) solve the current problems of too many teams at one venue for Tour events, and allow for expansion of the lower division; 2) allow significant opportunities for promotion and demotion during the Tour, but in a way which allows a team to get back up/down having suffered no more than one tournament out of their depth, and in a way which never 'swaps' teams in a football league fashion (they have played head to head in the larger 16-team format to get promoted/demoted). VARIANTS: 1) Could be 16 and 20 team Division 1s, depending on how many active teams we think there are. 2) Could argue that Tour 1 should be the larger event to cater for teams placed 8-16 having changed markedly since last season, and allowing them to re-sort into new placings. PROBLEMS: 1) I'm not sure enough of a consensus has grown behind a split Tour. Have we yet considered the effect of separating 1st/2nd teams? Or of couples on teams in different divisions? Or even of running twice as many events? 2) Shipley could probably make a fortune running a book on play-off fixtures. Anyway, I'll go plan something simpler and leave you lot thinking... Roger SHOTgone PS how many made Tooting this week? > -----Original Message----- > From: RCOLE.UK.ORACLE.COM [SMTP:RCOLE@UK.oracle.com] > Sent: 06 October 1998 16:35 > To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk > Subject: Tour 99 > > Christian suggested 4 divisions with teams being promoted or demoted at > the > end of the season, but how about 1/2 way through? This would give teams > the > opportunity to work hard and be rewarded earlier on in the season, and > give > teams different opponents (the same 7 teams each tour for 5 tours? Sounds > like > this years...) halfway through. Although it is fun to beat/lose to the > same > teams every week, and you all improve, as shown by Chevy, and the > Headrush-Touch-Red trio, it gets a touch boring after a while. > > Rob Cole > > > ************************************************************************** > *** > > Robert Cole Tel: 0118 924 4873 > > Associate Consultant Mobile: 0961 170 759 > Enterprise Methods and Tools Internal Extn: 44873 > Oracle UK Fax: 0118 924 5605 > Building 530 Email: rcole@uk.oracle.com > > Thames Valley Park > Reading, RG6 1RA > > ************************************************************************** > *** From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Oct 7 10:45:53 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id KAA19956 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 10:25:58 +0100 (BST) Received: from smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk ([62.172.72.129]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA19940 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 10:25:54 +0100 (BST) From: Wayne_Retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk Received: from ccMail by smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk (IMA Internet Exchange 3.01 Enterprise) id 00019F51; Wed, 7 Oct 98 10:21:21 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 10:23:01 +0100 Message-ID: <00019F51.CE21337@watsonwyatt.co.uk> Subject: Re[2]: Tour 99 - how to run it? To: BritDisc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Nice one, Rog! you got your compromise suggestion in before mine - which was going to be more along the lines of having 12 teams (in each 'Division') and swapping the bottom 4 of Div1 for the top 4 of Div2 after each event. The other problem inherent in these theories are the desire of the 'bottom' teams to play the 'top' teams IN THE TOUR, which is not really possible unless the 'Ultim8 peer pool' format is discarded in favour of the old 'traditional' format as has been used at Tour I in the last couple of years. The arguements against this are that the more evenly matched games don't happen until quarters/semis/finals time and a lot of people get unhappy about walkovers, either way... Something else about split divisions (as mentioned to me by a teammate)... when my 'generation' started to play (early 90s) we got to see Boleros, Hombres, ACSS and Stan at the top, doing their thing with style, and saw the rise of the Regulators. If we split the Tour now, there will be generations of new players that will only see the likes of UTI, Catch, Chevvy, 'Gun and Druids in their diluted forms (UTT, Chevvy 22, Bullfrogs and Goldfish) at NonTour events... assuming they deign to show... Not hugely inspiring really, for the new players, or the media/sponsors... Wayne ________________________________________________________________ Notice of Confidentiality This transmission is intended for the named addressee only. It contains information which may be confidential and which may also be privileged. Unless you are the named addressee (or authorised to receive it for the addressee) you may not copy or use it, or disclose it to anyone else. If you have received this transmission in error please contact: ~admin@watsonwyatt.co.uk or IT Manager: +44(0)1737 241144 Fax: +44(0)1737 241496 Watson Wyatt Partners is regulated by the Institute of Actuaries in the conduct of UK investment business. _________________________________________________________________ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Oct 7 11:16:23 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id KAA00783 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 10:59:09 +0100 (BST) Received: from curlew.cs.man.ac.uk (curlew.cs.man.ac.uk [130.88.13.7]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA00760 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 10:59:05 +0100 (BST) Received: from fs1.art.man.ac.uk ([130.88.57.1]) by curlew.cs.man.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #2) for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk id 0zQqMr-0001NP-02; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 10:58:50 +0100 Received: from UK-AC-MAN-ART-FS1/SpoolDir by fs1.art.man.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); 7 Oct 98 10:58:49 GMT0BST Received: from SpoolDir by UK-AC-MAN-ART-FS1 (Mercury 1.43); 7 Oct 98 10:58:24 GMT0BST From: "Wigsy" Organization: University of Manchester To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 10:58:23 GMT0BST Subject: Tour 99 Reply-to: mfix6can@stud.man.ac.uk X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Not really with reference to anything else I think the important thing for the tour is that teams play teams of similar quality. If a team gets to good for a division then it could move up right? So I think from what I have heard people are in favour of some sort of division system. Along the lines of having 12 teams in the top division I think this would be almost going back to the old traditional format of tournies, as for example Catch, UTI, Chevvy and whatever Gun become would easily beat the teams who came 10th-11th-12th. So we would be back to the bagel's on the Saturday and everything to play for on the Sunday. I am simply saying that the top division cannot be more than a certain size because otherwise the games become ludicrous. By all means make the lower divisions bigger and so more competitive. Gotta go lectures Wigsy From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Oct 7 12:18:02 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id MAA18611 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 12:01:33 +0100 (BST) Received: from caged.st-andrews.ac.uk (root@caged.st-and.ac.uk [138.251.34.40]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA18503 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 12:01:13 +0100 (BST) Received: from purds.st-andrews.ac.uk (jpg2@purds [138.251.34.20]) by caged.st-andrews.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA22031; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 12:01:07 +0100 (BST) Received: from localhost (jpg2@localhost) by purds.st-andrews.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA19079; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 12:01:06 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 12:01:06 +0100 (BST) From: Big Funky X-Sender: jpg2@st-andrews.ac.uk To: mfix6can@stud.man.ac.uk cc: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Re: Tour 99 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Please don't also forget that some teams in the 8th to 10th area would also like some games against the top teams. How are lower ranked teams suppose to improve if they don't play the top teams. It may well be boring for UTI/Catch to have to play Sneeeky's/BAF but we need games like that to learn from and gain experience. I know you wont have forgotten this but surely for the sake of improving British Ultimate on a wide level the top teams could put up with the odd easy game on a Saturday. Oh and yes, I do only exists to piss everyone off!!! love Jon Good aka 'Big Funky' of 'Funkian' and 'More than just a Hint' aka 'Frank LeBoeuf' of 'Blue Arse Flies' D.O.P.A. S.A.U. (underground) Wine Soc. Captain S.A.U.U.F.C. - Flying Sorcerers The loneliest man since time began - all air-fare donations gratefully received World of Crack! "I like guitarist who try to play basses" On Wed, 7 Oct 1998, Wigsy wrote: > Not really with reference to anything else I think the important > thing for the tour is that teams play teams of similar quality. If a > team gets to good for a division then it could move up right? So I > think from what I have heard people are in favour of some > sort of division system. Along the lines of having 12 teams in the > top division I think this would be almost going back to the old > traditional format of tournies, as for example Catch, UTI, Chevvy and > whatever Gun become would easily beat the teams who came > 10th-11th-12th. So we would be back to the bagel's on the Saturday > and everything to play for on the Sunday. I am simply saying that the > top division cannot be more than a certain size because otherwise the > games become ludicrous. By all means make the lower divisions bigger > and so more competitive. Gotta go lectures > Wigsy > From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Oct 7 13:01:27 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id MAA29170 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 12:43:04 +0100 (BST) Received: from taurus.cus.cam.ac.uk (cusexim@taurus.cus.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.48]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA29159 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 12:43:01 +0100 (BST) Received: from caj1.arch.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.34.20]) by taurus.cus.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.05 #3) id 0zQrzf-0004wB-00 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 12:42:59 +0100 Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 12:48:31 GMT From: "Dora A. Kemp" To: Subject: Re: Tournament Bids X-Mailer: Mulberry [1.0.1, s/n #10001] X-Authenticated: dak12 by imap.cus.cam.ac.uk X-Licensed-To: University of Cambridge MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk I strongly object to the Tour format changing. I think it worked really well this past year and in the end no more than about 5 teams had to lose out and that was partially because they couldn't get themselves organized. I can think of 4 large venues that are ideal for the tour (Exeter, Leicester, Southampton and Swindon) and a possible fifth could be Manchester or Leeds. If it ever truly comes down to a lack of large venues or huge numbers of teams wanting to enter a specific tournament then maybe we should rethink the tour but at present I don't see us having that problem. In fact, at Exeter which had the capability for a large tournament, teams dropped out suggesting we do not have enough teams for a split Tour. I also think it is a real handicap to the development of Ultimate at this time as beginning teams will not see top-level play. Dora McDonald Institute for Archaeological Research Downing Street, Cambridge, England, CB2 3ER (01223) 339336; (01223) 333536 (FAX)/(01223) 339285; dak12@cam.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Oct 7 13:38:26 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id NAA10743 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 13:25:48 +0100 (BST) Received: from meefw01.mee.com (meefw01.mee.com [194.130.244.66]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA10682 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 13:25:36 +0100 (BST) From: Guy.Kennett@meuk.mee.com Received: from mee01.mee.com by meefw01.mee.com with SMTP id AA26009 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for ); Wed, 7 Oct 1998 13:26:21 +0100 Received: from MEUKSMGW by mee01.mee.com (1.38.193.4/3.4Wbeta6-mee01) id AA03438; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 13:38:40 +0100 Received: from ccMail by meuksmgw.meuk.mee.com (IMA Internet Exchange 2.11 Enterprise) id 000B9F6A; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 13:21:56 +0100 Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 13:23:23 +0100 Message-Id: <000B9F6A.4199@meuk.mee.com> Subject: Re[2]: Tour 99 - how to run it? To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk What is this a 'how to piss off the Blue Arse Flies' competition? > 1) Given the number of teams and marked differences in levels of ability, > demotion and promotion could lead to good teams (Touch or Headrush for > example) being cast into the abyss below them for half a season, or > weaker teams (Violently or BAF) being elevated like kings then used as > whipping boys for the rest of the season. Arguments surely to follow but our stats at Nationals the other day were... Won 5 Lost 0 Scored 85 Conceded 34 (Any better?) Highest available place 9th Place attained 9th (and the plate) Not bad for a 'weaker' team. We realise that entry to the nationals is based on the Ultim8 end of year seedings (which frankly squeezed the 7-8-9-10-11 positions with the 'inverted' crossovers). Surely, once entry to the last 16 has been won, like the World Cup, the competition should be 'OPEN', best on the day wins and all that, rather than 'kings' and 'whipping boyz'. See you up there next year, we'll do the whipping. Guy aka TinTin BAF From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Oct 7 13:38:41 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id NAA07942 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 13:15:45 +0100 (BST) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA07924 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 13:15:42 +0100 (BST) Received: from [194.222.78.33] (helo=tayte.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.03 #1) id 0zQsVE-0007Bl-00 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 12:15:37 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 13:08:42 +0100 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: Colin Smith Subject: The Quest for the Holy Grail MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (16) Version 3.05 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk As a result of the enquiries made over the last couple of days, it has been decided not to try to host the SE Student regionals at Kingston so early (24/25th Oct). This means we will be hosting an open tournament, "The Quest for the Holy Grail", on the weekend of 24th and 25th October. There are places available for 16 teams @ 90 pounds per team. This will be an opportunity to give all those teams with freshers the opportunity to blood them in their first tournament. Party will be at a local club - first four hours free entry, then if you want to stay for Carl Cox, it'll cost just 4 quid. e-mail me at this address to confirm your participation asap, and we'll get you out a pack by return. Speed is of the essence with it being only 3 weeks away. Cheers Sick Boy -- Colin Smith Kingston University Ultimate Club colin@tate.co.uk Tel: 0181 942 8050 From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Oct 7 15:15:37 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id OAA03748 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 14:55:26 +0100 (BST) Received: from holly.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@holly-fddi [137.205.4.5]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA03722 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 14:55:22 +0100 (BST) Received: from polaris.bmpddb.com (mailhost.bmpddb.com [193.130.32.70]) by holly.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA18209 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 14:55:19 +0100 (BST) Received: by POLARIS with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id <4FZCJGR4>; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 14:49:36 +0100 Message-ID: From: David Trovell To: "'Guy.Kennett@meuk.mee.com'" , britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: RE: Re[2]: Tour 99 - how to run it? Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 14:49:35 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Congratulations for being the only unbeaten team at Nationals. But would you have beaten the 8th place team? > -----Original Message----- > From: Guy.Kennett@meuk.mee.com [SMTP:Guy.Kennett@meuk.mee.com] > Sent: 07 October 1998 13:23 > To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk > Subject: Re[2]: Tour 99 - how to run it? > > > What is this a 'how to piss off the Blue Arse Flies' competition? > > > 1) Given the number of teams and marked differences in levels of > ability, > > demotion and promotion could lead to good teams (Touch or Headrush for > > example) being cast into the abyss below them for half a season, or > > weaker teams (Violently or BAF) being elevated like kings then used as > > whipping boys for the rest of the season. > > Arguments surely to follow but our stats at Nationals the > other day were... > > Won 5 Lost 0 > Scored 85 Conceded 34 (Any better?) > Highest available place 9th > Place attained 9th (and the plate) > > Not bad for a 'weaker' team. > > We realise that entry to the nationals is based on the Ultim8 > end of year seedings (which frankly squeezed the 7-8-9-10-11 > positions > with the 'inverted' crossovers). Surely, once entry to the last 16 > has > been won, like the World Cup, the competition should be 'OPEN', best > on the day wins and all that, rather than 'kings' and 'whipping > boyz'. > > See you up there next year, we'll do the whipping. > > > Guy > aka TinTin BAF > > From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Oct 7 16:09:02 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id PAA17681 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 15:48:35 +0100 (BST) Received: from pathway.btX400.co.uk (pathway.btX400.co.uk [193.113.148.3]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA17606; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 15:48:09 +0100 (BST) X400-Originator: COLIN.WAGSTAFF@TRADEINDEMNITY.btX400.co.uk X400-Recipients: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk , britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk X400-MTS-Identifier: [/PRMD=BT-INTERNET/ADMD=BT/C=GB/;0000430003140413000002L332] X400-Content-Type: P2-1988 (22) Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 15:08:00 +0100 From: WAGSTAFF COLIN To: ", DDA.RFC-822:mfix6can(a)stud.man.ac.uk, P:BT-INTERNET, A:BTGB" , ", DDA.RFC-822:britdisc-owner(a)csv.warwick.ac.uk, P:BT-INTERNET" Cc: ", DDA.RFC-822:britdisc(a)csv.warwick.ac.uk, P:BT-INTERNET, A:BT" Subject: RE:Re: Tour 99 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Playing lower ranked teams such as the 9-12 bracket is not a 'chore' for the top ranked teams and we appreciate that they do 'need' to play the likes of us, 22, and Chevvy. In fact the slight variety a larger top division would bring would be for the benefit of everyone. Yes, when we play BAF one would expect us to win very convincingly, but as has been proved those 'walkover' games often turn out a lot closer then expected. No need to go into the reasons why but there is a chance that an upset could occurr. Similarly, on the flip side there is no point us playing a university 2nd team full of freshers. Splitting the Tour seems in theory a good idea, either in the season of 99 or 2000, but there still lies the problem of organisers and venues. One would expect that if 2 or more divisions were to exist then the events would have to take place on the same w/e otherwise you would get people perhaps unable to goto one tournament in which they were due to play, going to the other event the following w/e and either being unable to play or 'tarting' where they COULD influence the results. Obviously this will require stricter rules on rosters and generally regulating the sport further. Is this what people want? Most of us just want to play, what if you turn up at a tournament and be told you can't as your tournament was last w/e. Can we/Ultimate deal with this possibility? So, do we have the ability to run 2 or more tournaments on the same w/e on 4/5 w/e's through the season? Like we need more tournaments, we need more writers for Ultimatum, we need more people to take responsibility for a little bit of our sport. Yes, the player base and standard are improving but without more peolple getting involved on the admin side we may start to struggle. I'm not the one who should really be saying this as i do as little as possible with regards to organising things. But i do acknowledge the problem. Perhaps others with more time etc would like to come forward and offer their assistance, even if all you do is write 200 words for Ultimatum, it's one less thing those who do the majority of the work have got to do. Colin, UTI. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Oct 7 17:27:15 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id RAA08075 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 17:07:33 +0100 (BST) Received: from admin.company-net.co.uk (admin.company-net.co.uk [193.129.5.65]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA08056 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 17:07:30 +0100 (BST) Received: by admin.company-net.co.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id <4BTXW1NK>; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 17:14:18 +0100 Message-ID: From: Richard Clegg To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: RE: Re[2]: Tour 99 - how to run it? Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 17:14:02 +0100 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk >Congratulations for being the only unbeaten team at Nationals. But would you > >have beaten the 8th place team? > > The way they played against us in the Plate final, yes, they would > have. > > Richard Clegg (Scuttler) > Sneeekys From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Oct 7 17:56:58 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id RAA16092 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 17:43:11 +0100 (BST) Received: from framestore.sohonet.co.uk (framestore1.sohonet.co.uk [193.203.80.44]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA16083 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 17:43:09 +0100 (BST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by framestore.sohonet.co.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA01375 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 17:40:09 +0100 (BST) Received: from london.fs.local( 192.168.2.150) by framestore.sohonet.co.uk via smap (V2.0) id xma001369; Wed, 7 Oct 98 17:39:47 +0100 Received: from framestore.co.uk (engpc2.fs.local [192.168.1.23]) by london.fs.local (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id AAA26E9; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 17:39:46 +0100 Message-ID: <361B9A32.C33ABFD@framestore.co.uk> Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 17:43:30 +0100 From: "Sean Holden" Organization: framestore X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Big Funky CC: mfix6can@stud.man.ac.uk, britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Re: Tour 99 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Big Funky wrote: > Please don't also forget that some teams in the 8th to 10th area would > also like some games against the top teams. How are lower ranked teams > suppose to improve if they don't play the top teams. It may well be boring > for UTI/Catch to have to play Sneeeky's/BAF but we need games like that to > learn from and gain experience. I know you wont have forgotten this but > surely for the sake of improving British Ultimate on a wide level the top > teams could put up with the odd easy game on a Saturday. As I understand it, the point of the tour is to improve the level of ultimate byplaying teams of a similar standard as to yourselves. There are plenty of other tournaments that teams can attend which are more open based such that higher ranked teams play lower ranked teams. The tour was designed to prevent the easy Saturday games making it hard for teams for the whole weekend!!! Sean From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Oct 7 18:03:02 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id RAA18595 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 17:55:48 +0100 (BST) Received: from smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk ([62.172.72.129]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA18585 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 17:55:46 +0100 (BST) From: Wayne_Retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk Received: from ccMail by smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk (IMA Internet Exchange 3.01 Enterprise) id 0001A458; Wed, 7 Oct 98 17:51:13 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 17:50:10 +0100 Message-ID: <0001A458.CE21337@watsonwyatt.co.uk> Subject: Re[4]: Tour 99 - how to run it? To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Author: David Trovell >Congratulations for being the only unbeaten team at Nationals. But would you >have beaten the 8th place team? Shouldn't they (BAF, for those who'ce just tuned in...) have had the chance??? They *may* have beaten anyone in the top 8 (even UTI) by catching them on the 'wrong foot' (BTW, BAF vs First Touch tends to be a nailbiter, if I remember correctly) So, basically, BAF haven't complained about missing out on that chance this year, 'cos that's the system (right or wrong!) - they didn't make it to Top 8 over the Tour, so they couldn't take the shot at 8 when they were most pumped for it... So why set up a new system that will prevent/delay the chance of proving their mettle... Wayne Falling off a fence... ________________________________________________________________ Notice of Confidentiality This transmission is intended for the named addressee only. It contains information which may be confidential and which may also be privileged. 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Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 17:35:12 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Would they have beaten 8th? No doubt at all. We played those boys and they were HOT. Max Fever -----Original Message----- From: David Trovell [SMTP:david.trovell@bmpoptimum.co.uk] Sent: 07 October 1998 14:50 To: 'Guy.Kennett@meuk.mee.com'; britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: RE: Re[2]: Tour 99 - how to run it? Congratulations for being the only unbeaten team at Nationals. But would you have beaten the 8th place team? > -----Original Message----- > From: Guy.Kennett@meuk.mee.com [SMTP:Guy.Kennett@meuk.mee.com] > Sent: 07 October 1998 13:23 > To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk > Subject: Re[2]: Tour 99 - how to run it? > > > What is this a 'how to piss off the Blue Arse Flies' competition? > > > 1) Given the number of teams and marked differences in levels of > ability, > > demotion and promotion could lead to good teams (Touch or Headrush for > > example) being cast into the abyss below them for half a season, or > > weaker teams (Violently or BAF) being elevated like kings then used as > > whipping boys for the rest of the season. > > Arguments surely to follow but our stats at Nationals the > other day were... > > Won 5 Lost 0 > Scored 85 Conceded 34 (Any better?) > Highest available place 9th > Place attained 9th (and the plate) > > Not bad for a 'weaker' team. > > We realise that entry to the nationals is based on the Ultim8 > end of year seedings (which frankly squeezed the 7-8-9-10-11 > positions > with the 'inverted' crossovers). Surely, once entry to the last 16 > has > been won, like the World Cup, the competition should be 'OPEN', best > on the day wins and all that, rather than 'kings' and 'whipping > boyz'. > > See you up there next year, we'll do the whipping. > > > Guy > aka TinTin BAF > > From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Oct 7 20:19:45 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id UAA09058 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 20:07:15 +0100 (BST) Received: from mail-gw1.webleicester.net (mailgate.webleicester.co.uk [195.146.160.12]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA09053 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 20:07:13 +0100 (BST) Received: from pii266 (pool-pri1-017.webleicester.co.uk [195.146.164.17]) by mail-gw1.webleicester.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id UAA19547; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 20:05:43 +0100 (BST) Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 20:11:19 +0100 Message-ID: <01BDF22E.A55A0700.bravil@webleicester.co.uk> From: Ben Ravilious Reply-To: "bravil@webleicester.co.uk" To: "'raf.freire@bristol.ac.uk'" Cc: "'Britdisc'" Subject: RE: Open GB Coach post? Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 19:32:39 +0100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Rafi, Hi Ben, I know you're still getting used to the secretary post but was wondering about something in the minutes of the EGM. The words "Baptism of fire" spring to mind! Its actually going to be fun I think. There's so much opportunity for improvement and new ideas now that the 'old farts' are all but gone. Minutes said (I think) that GB open team manager post was vacant, but as far as I know Si Moore is still manager (though Harry has stepped down). Two separate positions here: Masters Co-ordinator (not Coach) has been left vacant although I think Colin Smith from Kniggets (Kingston) is keen. ALL GB Coaches positions expire at the end of October. That means any new candidates should speak up now. Any chance you could clarify what the story is, I (and a few others) seem to have little idea. I am more than a little surprised that there has been no discussion of this issue on Britdisc. Could it be that people fear the tread of heavy hoof-prints ?! ;-) Thanks, and congratulations (condolances?) on your appointment. Raf Ta Ben "Its a dirty job and noones going to do it" From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Oct 8 10:42:42 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id KAA21499 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 10:17:23 +0100 (BST) Received: from caged.st-andrews.ac.uk (root@caged.st-and.ac.uk [138.251.34.40]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA21469 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 10:17:19 +0100 (BST) Received: from purds.st-andrews.ac.uk (jpg2@purds [138.251.34.20]) by caged.st-andrews.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA13977; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 10:17:14 +0100 (BST) Received: from localhost (jpg2@localhost) by purds.st-andrews.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA17006; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 10:17:11 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 10:17:10 +0100 (BST) From: Big Funky X-Sender: jpg2@st-andrews.ac.uk To: mfix6can@stud.man.ac.uk cc: BritDisc Subject: Re: Tour 99 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Wigsy, it's not about being annoyed that we have to play lower teams, it's that we couldn't play better teams. And on the note of splitting the tour I would ask the question of where is the spirit in the top 8 teams turning aroung to the others and saying "Sorry, you're not good enough to deserve to play us". The good thing about tour games was that at the start ANYONE had the possibility to win. ok it was never going to happen, but at least if you played your best you could get a game against one of the top teams and get some experience and respect. Nothing fires up a 'lesser' team more than scoring a few points on a top team and it can realy bring the best out in people. Spirit is something that seems to be lacking in the higher positions: spirit changes from being "playing to enjoy the game" to "not getting arsey when someone calls a foul on you". If you split the tour so that not everyone can win I think you will loose interest from some of the 'lower' teams: nobody wants to go if the highest you can ever finnish - even if you win all of your games by a huge margin (BAF) - is 9th, or even 17th if it is further split. Where is your spirit 'top' teams?????? Jon Good aka 'Big Funky' of 'Funkian' and 'More than just a Hint' aka 'Frank LeBoeuf' of 'Blue Arse Flies' D.O.P.A. S.A.U. (underground) Wine Soc. Captain S.A.U.U.F.C. - Flying Sorcerers The loneliest man since time began - all air-fare donations gratefully received World of Crack! "I like guitarist who try to play basses" From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Oct 8 10:43:10 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id KAA24678 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 10:28:35 +0100 (BST) Received: from caged.st-andrews.ac.uk (root@caged.st-and.ac.uk [138.251.34.40]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA24647 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 10:28:27 +0100 (BST) Received: from purds.st-andrews.ac.uk (jpg2@purds [138.251.34.20]) by caged.st-andrews.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA14361; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 10:28:09 +0100 (BST) Received: from localhost (jpg2@localhost) by purds.st-andrews.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA18283; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 10:28:07 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 10:28:07 +0100 (BST) From: Big Funky X-Sender: jpg2@st-andrews.ac.uk To: Sean Holden cc: mfix6can@stud.man.ac.uk, britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Re: Tour 99 In-Reply-To: <361B9A32.C33ABFD@framestore.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Sean, surely the tour was designed to find the best team in Britain. I can't see how that can be done if you immediately exclude all but last years top 8. That way it would take many at least 2 seasons for an improving team to get into contension. Personally I find that playing against people better than me helps me improve much more than playing someone the same standard. The tour as it is gives the correct balance of playing standards for any one player to get better. The results from this year are an acurate representation of teams standards and this was achieved using the current format. The only reason for changing seems to be so that the 'big' teams get more 'competitive' games at each tour. If they want these they can go to bigger tournaments with some European teams as, generally speaking, players at these teams have the time and cash to go to them. Keep the nationals as they are - a platform for all british teams to play each other in order to find the best. love Jon Good aka 'Big Funky' of 'Funkian' and 'More than just a Hint' aka 'Frank LeBoeuf' of 'Blue Arse Flies' D.O.P.A. S.A.U. (underground) Wine Soc. Captain S.A.U.U.F.C. - Flying Sorcerers The loneliest man since time began - all air-fare donations gratefully received World of Crack! "I like guitarist who try to play basses" From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Oct 8 11:52:06 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id LAA13675 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 11:32:39 +0100 (BST) Received: from otto.crispgroup.co.uk (crispgroup.demon.co.uk [158.152.87.155]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA13657 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 11:32:36 +0100 (BST) Received: from [129.1.1.241] by otto.crispgroup.co.uk (NTMail 3.03.0017/1.aia2) with ESMTP id pa025053 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 11:27:20 +0100 Received: from [129.1.11.56] by homer.crispgroup.co.uk (NTMail 3.03.0012/1.aia2) with ESMTP id aa030706 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 11:26:02 +0100 Received: by raviben810.crispgroup.co.uk with Microsoft Mail id <01BDF2AF.DCB09300@raviben810.crispgroup.co.uk>; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 11:36:17 +0100 Message-ID: <01BDF2AF.DCB09300@raviben810.crispgroup.co.uk> From: Ben Ravilious To: "'Britdisc'" Subject: Southampton Tournament Report Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 11:36:15 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Info: Crisp Computing Mail Server Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id LAA13667 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk I need: A report for this years Southampton tournament. Any reports or relevant websites about this years World Championships (Minnesota). I have just had a phone call from a childrens charity which is part of tomorrow's national 'Jeans for Genes' (i.e. a mufti day - where your home clothes to work) campaign. They are looking for non-contact games for their kids to play and think Ultimate may be just the sport they're looking for. They're based near Southampton so are looking for a local angle in a press release/ newsletter. I think someone from Vicious Circle/GB Juniors (Is there an Andrew Newman from Berkhampstead out there?) will know about this as they put them on the case. Nice work. Thanks Ben PS Replies to bravil@webleicester.co.uk please From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Oct 8 13:26:14 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id MAA07430 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 12:53:20 +0100 (BST) Received: from rook.ecs.soton.ac.uk (rook.ecs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.71.4]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA07372 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 12:53:10 +0100 (BST) Received: from stork.ecs.soton.ac.uk (stork [152.78.71.1]) by rook.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA08126 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 12:53:06 +0100 (BST) Received: from tarrant.ecs.soton.ac.uk (IDENT:wp296@tarrant [152.78.71.20]) by stork.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA20279 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 12:53:06 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 12:52:59 +0100 (GMT) From: Will Parker Reply-To: Will Parker To: britdisc Subject: Tour 99 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk I have been reading this Tour 99 thing with a lot of interest as a TD and as captain of a lower division team (Skunks). I think that the idea of splitting the tour up is a good one. Someone made the point that nothing gives a lower team more of a boost than scoring a couple of points against a higher team. Well, if by a lower team you mean someone placed around 15th, then nothing would give a bigger boost than to be promoted up to the next division. And for a 25th placed team I still think the boost that our second team would get scoring against our first would be just as much as scoring against Druids (sure they're not a higher team but hey). If as Chris Hughes is saying, we need venues with ten pitches (something we will find more difficult at Southampton) then go ahead and split the tour up. In the long run we always ended up playing the same old teams at all the tours we went to expect maybe the first game on Saturday when everyone plays like crap as you try and get back into competetive ultimate, and so I don't expect it would be that different if the tour was split. In the future, the tour will definately be too big not to be split. The way I see it it is that the tour is to make Ultimate better, so playing teams in divisions will help. There will always be other tournaments where you can get to play other teams that you don't get to normally. Dora was right in saying the tour worked really well last year, but judging by the amount of freshers we have got interested, I think Ultimate is set to grow and grow faster and faster and we need to work around this There, done for now Will Skunks From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Oct 8 13:29:38 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id NAA10463 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 13:03:53 +0100 (BST) Received: from hotmail.com (f62.hotmail.com [207.82.251.196]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA10426 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 13:03:43 +0100 (BST) Received: (qmail 20512 invoked by uid 0); 8 Oct 1998 12:02:42 -0000 Message-ID: <19981008120242.20511.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 195.50.71.148 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 08 Oct 1998 05:02:41 PDT X-Originating-IP: [195.50.71.148] From: "bob kumar" To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 05:02:41 PDT Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hong Kong 7's Could all teams who expressed interest in the tourney please let us know if you require accommadation on both friday and saturday as spaces are limited If you haven't entered there are still spaces left...., so Chevron, Fingers 6, Phatheads, Bradford (if you're out there) and any one else who is interested get in touch asap. Finally Chris Hughes can you call Arun on 0113 2249684(home) 0113 254 3313 xt 2295(work) Cheers Janitors ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Oct 8 14:09:03 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id NAA23898 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 13:51:52 +0100 (BST) Received: from curlew.cs.man.ac.uk (curlew.cs.man.ac.uk [130.88.13.7]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA23859 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 13:51:45 +0100 (BST) Received: from fs1.art.man.ac.uk ([130.88.57.1]) by curlew.cs.man.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #2) for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk id 0zRFXk-0006Op-01; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 13:51:44 +0100 Received: from UK-AC-MAN-ART-FS1/SpoolDir by fs1.art.man.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); 8 Oct 98 13:51:43 GMT0BST Received: from SpoolDir by UK-AC-MAN-ART-FS1 (Mercury 1.43); 8 Oct 98 13:51:22 GMT0BST From: "Wigsy" Organization: University of Manchester To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 13:51:17 GMT0BST Subject: RE:Re: Tour 99 Reply-to: mfix6can@stud.man.ac.uk X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Big Funky wrote > surely the tour was designed to find the best team in Britain. I >can't see how that can be done if you immediately exclude all but >lastyears top 8. That way it would take many at least 2 seasons for an >improving team to get into contension. At some point hopefully we are going to go into a league system. Whenever that happens there are going to be teams who suffer because they put into the second division. To get round this maybe we could have a seeding tournie where depending on where you come you are put into a certain division, the seeding for this tourinie based on this years nationals? Wayne wrote >Shouldn't they (BAF, for those who'ce just tuned in...) >have had the chance??? No becos you answer the question yourself below >So, basically, BAF haven't complained about missing out on that >chance this >year, 'cos that's the system (right or wrong!) - they didn't make it >to Top 8 >over the Tour, so they couldn't take the shot at 8 when they were >most pumped >for it... Big Funky also wrote > Nothing fires up a 'lesser' team more >than scoring a few points on a top team and it can realy bring the >best out in people. Not even the chance to play against these top teams for a whole season? I think that Will Parker put forward a very good arguement in the context of teams playing each other >Spirit is something that seems to be lacking in the higher >positions: spirit changes from being "playing to enjoy the game" to >"not getting arsey when someone calls a foul on you". If you split the >tour so This is something that I take offense to. The shouting we have on pitch or the seemingly bad calls we make are becos we are playing for something a little more important than 9th place. I think that the final at Nationals was a very spirited affair wih Andy Tucker "Norm" and Lee making some crucial calls against their own team. This is not a sunday practise where if you drop the pull we'll let you have it anyway..... would you do the same if BAF where playing to get promoted to the top division in a one off game? Wigsy, 22, JTM, Dad, Bouffant From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Oct 8 14:11:26 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id NAA25854 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 13:59:17 +0100 (BST) Received: from exchpk02.chelt.ac.uk (exchpk02.chelt.ac.uk [194.66.194.6]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA25824 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 13:59:12 +0100 (BST) Received: by exchpk02.chelt.ac.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id <4J9BWWXZ>; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 13:59:27 +0100 Message-ID: <8102C4585310D211858D0060B01A41330A38F0@exchpk02.chelt.ac.uk> From: "HUGHES, Chris" To: "'Britdisc'" Subject: Big Funky vs World Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 13:59:26 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk I think an argument here is getting distorted, but it raises a number of points. BAFlies performed very poorly at the start of the tour last year, the sent a weak team to the critical 1st tournament, Merrick was injured, and so they finished tour 1 in a low position. Then during the season they picked up their perfomance - Mezza came back from injury, they practised hard and improved (Sorry - that's not supposed to sound like it is a one man team). When it finally came round to nationals they were seeded tenth just outside the top eight slot. The nationals rather like NFL / NBA leagues, take the performance over a year and then let these qualifying teams slug it out to finally get a winner. Unless we start again and have Nationals as a completely open tournament some one just outside the cut is going to get pissed. The argument here should be more about the tour. This was set up so that teams played teams of approx the same level, but in the tournament format you would always play some one better than you (unless you won outright). And the tour WORKS like that. BAF this year, 1st Touch last year, came up through the ranks as they improved. The argument is that teams are too hampered / promoted by their initial results. BAF had a bad 1st tour, and since the seeding is a complicated version of an average result you need a number of good results to remove the effect of a bad result, which is then too late in the season. Vhappy and their initial results worked for them as they started to struggle later in the tour and were consistently seeded higher than their previous starting position, BAF always started lower than their previous finishing position. So why not start each tournament with seedings based on previous finishing positions. Yes this would promote more movement of teams, and would make it easier to remove the effects of a poor tournament, but it also punishes the teams who have a poor tournament much quicker. Example Team finishes 1st in T1, 9th in T2, then has poor turnout and plays badly and finishes in 9th position in T3 by loosing a lot of their games. By basing the starting position on average results they would start T4 approx 4th , could go on to win T4 and T5 and the tour. Using the previous finishing position system the best they could do in T4 is finish 5th, irrelevant of how good they are and then go and win T5 but not the tour, loosing to a team that is consistently 2nd. Both systems have their ups and downs, the present system makes teams slow to move, and teams need good results at the beginning, the new system, which is not in place yet, is quicker to react to a new result - to the benefit or detriment of the team. My personal preference is to have the new system used for seedings in the tour, allowing more movement of teams within groups, and the present to seed teams for national, thereby rewarding a consistent team with a slot in nationals Discuss. Chris From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Oct 8 14:45:59 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id OAA02676 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 14:22:54 +0100 (BST) Received: from newsgate.dircon.co.uk (newsgate.dircon.co.uk [194.112.32.81]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA02652 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 14:22:50 +0100 (BST) Received: from dmotive.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by newsgate.dircon.co.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with UUCP id OAA29537 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 14:22:16 +0100 (BST) Date: 08 Oct 98 13:30:52 +0100 From: Jonathan Schofield Subject: Spirited To: Big Funky CC: BritDisc Message-ID: <981008.133052@designmotive.co.uk> X-Mailer: InterCall 1.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id OAA02658 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Jon, You wrote, "Spirit is something that seems to be lacking in the higher positions: spirit changes from being "playing to enjoy the game" to "not getting arsey when someone calls a foul on you". " and ended your mail, "Where is your spirit 'top' teams??????" I'm not going to enter in to the whole tour structure argument, but I do have to comment on the above. In your mails to date you seem to be implying: 1) That the top teams are lacking in spirit because they want to impose their wishes upon the rest of the Ultimate playing community. To this I would point out that there must be somewhere in the region of 100 individuals playing for the top eight teams, but so far I have only seen between 5 and 10 individuals from these teams posting comments on the issue of the tour structure ­ PLEASE DON'T assume that these few individuals speak for the whole of their teams! 2) As I understand it, the core idea of "the Spirit of the Game" is more closely expressed in "not getting arsey when someone calls a foul on you", as you put it, rather than "playing to enjoy the game". You can, after all, play ANY game just for the enjoyment of it. The whole point of "the Spirit of the Game" is to play in a sportsmanlike manner - to make reasonable infringement calls as defined by the rules, and to respect the calls of others when they make them. One of the interesting things that I think has resulted from the Tour over the last couple of years is that individuals' Spirit is thrown into the spotlight - it is far harder to remain sportsmanlike in a hotly contested match than in a match where the outcome is a foregone conclusion. Over the years I have heard many people express the opinion that the top teams lack Spirit. Your comments so far are somewhat ambiguous on this issue - please confirm Jon that you don't subscribe to this opinion as I find it objectionable. There are many, many players on the "top teams" who I regard not only as good athletes, but also good sportsmen in the heat of competition. I was unable to stick around at Nationals to watch the Final, but from what I have heard, it was a highly competitive AND very sportsmanlike match Jonathan Formerly ShotGONE Now Catch 22 From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Oct 8 14:47:31 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id OAA02458 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 14:22:11 +0100 (BST) Received: from otto.crispgroup.co.uk (crispgroup.demon.co.uk [158.152.87.155]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA02437 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 14:22:04 +0100 (BST) Received: from [129.1.1.241] by otto.crispgroup.co.uk (NTMail 3.03.0017/1.aia2) with ESMTP id ua025188 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 14:17:14 +0100 Received: from [129.1.11.56] by homer.crispgroup.co.uk (NTMail 3.03.0012/1.aia2) with ESMTP id ba030785 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 14:16:00 +0100 Received: by raviben810.crispgroup.co.uk with Microsoft Mail id <01BDF2C7.9C4C4620@raviben810.crispgroup.co.uk>; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 14:26:17 +0100 Message-ID: <01BDF2C7.9C4C4620@raviben810.crispgroup.co.uk> From: Ben Ravilious To: "'Britdisc'" Subject: RE: Big Funky vs World Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 14:26:15 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Info: Crisp Computing Mail Server Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id OAA02443 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk I'd just like to add that despite our poor performance at the Nationals, Red intend to finally defeat the Druid Scum at some point during 1999 (with or without ex Red Shi*t tarts!). Can you make sure your the new Tour format reflects this outcome please Chris. Thanks Ben ;-p -----Original Message----- From: HUGHES, Chris [SMTP:CHughes@chelt.ac.uk] Sent: Thursday, October 08, 1998 1:59 PM To: 'Britdisc' Subject: Big Funky vs World I think an argument here is getting distorted, but it raises a number of points. BAFlies performed very poorly at the start of the tour last year, the sent a weak team to the critical 1st tournament, Merrick was injured, and so they finished tour 1 in a low position. Then during the season they picked up their perfomance - Mezza came back from injury, they practised hard and improved (Sorry - that's not supposed to sound like it is a one man team). When it finally came round to nationals they were seeded tenth just outside the top eight slot. The nationals rather like NFL / NBA leagues, take the performance over a year and then let these qualifying teams slug it out to finally get a winner. Unless we start again and have Nationals as a completely open tournament some one just outside the cut is going to get pissed. The argument here should be more about the tour. This was set up so that teams played teams of approx the same level, but in the tournament format you would always play some one better than you (unless you won outright). And the tour WORKS like that. BAF this year, 1st Touch last year, came up through the ranks as they improved. The argument is that teams are too hampered / promoted by their initial results. BAF had a bad 1st tour, and since the seeding is a complicated version of an average result you need a number of good results to remove the effect of a bad result, which is then too late in the season. Vhappy and their initial results worked for them as they started to struggle later in the tour and were consistently seeded higher than their previous starting position, BAF always started lower than their previous finishing position. So why not start each tournament with seedings based on previous finishing positions. Yes this would promote more movement of teams, and would make it easier to remove the effects of a poor tournament, but it also punishes the teams who have a poor tournament much quicker. Example Team finishes 1st in T1, 9th in T2, then has poor turnout and plays badly and finishes in 9th position in T3 by loosing a lot of their games. By basing the starting position on average results they would start T4 approx 4th , could go on to win T4 and T5 and the tour. Using the previous finishing position system the best they could do in T4 is finish 5th, irrelevant of how good they are and then go and win T5 but not the tour, loosing to a team that is consistently 2nd. Both systems have their ups and downs, the present system makes teams slow to move, and teams need good results at the beginning, the new system, which is not in place yet, is quicker to react to a new result - to the benefit or detriment of the team. My personal preference is to have the new system used for seedings in the tour, allowing more movement of teams within groups, and the present to seed teams for national, thereby rewarding a consistent team with a slot in nationals Discuss. Chris From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Oct 8 15:39:07 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id PAA17719 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 15:15:32 +0100 (BST) Received: from eukscpo2.dundee.ncr.com (tan7.NCR.COM [192.127.94.7]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA17677 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 15:15:21 +0100 (BST) Received: by eukscpo2.Dundee.NCR.COM with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 15:14:24 +0100 Message-ID: <4B6690540CA9D111846C0000C00339D5F14EE4@eukscpo2.Dundee.NCR.COM> From: "Grayson, David" To: "'Britdisc'" Subject: RE: Big Funky vs World Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 15:14:23 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk On the seeding system debate The reactive system would seem to work better for the Tours and I am certainly in favour of that system, but what is the effect of missing an event? (I think I'm right in saying VH missed one this year) Does a team then rejoin the Tour as a wild card left to the discretion of the U8 committee? or do they come in at the bottom? Sounds like a perfect recipe for bitching at the committee! This years system meant that a teams seeding tends not to drop much - particularly after 2 tours or more -by missing one, due to the points scoring system. Before the argument is raised that "if a team is serious they should be able to make all 5 tours" let me just make a couple of points - circumstances can happen to cause a team to be unable to be fielded (food poisoning, transport cancellation, accident, freak set of commitments to reduce available team numbers etc.), and can affect any team and it only has to happen once to cause a problem. Also, some teams at the bottom end of the scale can have entries rejected due to oversubscription - okay they are less likely to be seriously affected by coming in seeded last but the principle holds. Presumably some sort of a provision would be built into the rules to govern such an occurence? While on the subject of points, are people sure the points scoring system was ideal? I am no statto so have no clue how the points ladder was devised but do know that at some crucial stages around the crucial divisional cut off points, teams were separated by a single point or two. Has anyone checked to make sure points for each position were fair?, and not overly or underly influenced by a good result? Just a couple of thoughts, Dave. Mud Culture. > -----Original Message----- > From: HUGHES, Chris [SMTP:CHughes@chelt.ac.uk] > Sent: Thursday, October 08, 1998 01:59 > To: 'Britdisc' > Subject: Big Funky vs World > > I think an argument here is getting distorted, but it raises a number of > points. > > BAFlies performed very poorly at the start of the tour last year, the sent > a > weak team to the critical 1st tournament, Merrick was injured, and so they > finished tour 1 in a low position. Then during the season they picked up > their perfomance - Mezza came back from injury, they practised hard and > improved (Sorry - that's not supposed to sound like it is a one man team). > When it finally came round to nationals they were seeded tenth just > outside > the top eight slot. The nationals rather like NFL / NBA leagues, take the > performance over a year and then let these qualifying teams slug it out > to > finally get a winner. Unless we start again and have Nationals as a > completely open tournament some one just outside the cut is going to get > pissed. > > The argument here should be more about the tour. This was set up so that > teams played teams of approx the same level, but in the tournament format > you would always play some one better than you (unless you won outright). > And the tour WORKS like that. BAF this year, 1st Touch last year, came up > through the ranks as they improved. The argument is that teams are too > hampered / promoted by their initial results. BAF had a bad 1st tour, and > since the seeding is a complicated version of an average result you need a > number of good results to remove the effect of a bad result, which is then > too late in the season. Vhappy and their initial results worked for them > as > they started to struggle later in the tour and were consistently seeded > higher than their previous starting position, BAF always started lower > than > their previous finishing position. > > So why not start each tournament with seedings based on previous finishing > positions. Yes this would promote more movement of teams, and would make > it > easier to remove the effects of a poor tournament, but it also punishes > the > teams who have a poor tournament much quicker. Example Team finishes 1st > in > T1, 9th in T2, then has poor turnout and plays badly and finishes in 9th > position in T3 by loosing a lot of their games. By basing the starting > position on average results they would start T4 approx 4th , could go on > to > win T4 and T5 and the tour. Using the previous finishing position system > the > best they could do in T4 is finish 5th, irrelevant of how good they are > and > then go and win T5 but not the tour, loosing to a team that is > consistently > 2nd. > > Both systems have their ups and downs, the present system makes teams slow > to move, and teams need good results at the beginning, the new system, > which > is not in place yet, is quicker to react to a new result - to the benefit > or > detriment of the team. > > My personal preference is to have the new system used for seedings in the > tour, allowing more movement of teams within groups, and the present to > seed > teams for national, thereby rewarding a consistent team with a slot in > nationals > > > Discuss. > > Chris From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Oct 8 16:03:36 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id PAA24549 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 15:37:12 +0100 (BST) Received: from eagle.eng.warwick.ac.uk (eagle [137.205.144.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA24533 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 15:37:10 +0100 (BST) Received: from eng.warwick.ac.uk by eagle.eng.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id PAA02810; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 15:37:07 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <13168.9810081437@eng.warwick.ac.uk> From: "Andrew Tucker" To: Jonathan Schofield Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 15:37:09 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Spirited Reply-To: Andrew.Tucker@warwick.ac.uk Cc: BritDisc In-Reply-To: <981008.133052@designmotive.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-printable to 8bit by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id PAA24537 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Well said!! I couldn't agree with you more J, you've just beaten me to writing a similar posting. laters Norm. On 8 Oct 98, at 13:30, Jonathan Schofield wrote: > Jon, > > You wrote, > > "Spirit is something that seems to be lacking in the higher positions: > spirit changes from being "playing to enjoy the game" to "not getting > arsey when someone calls a foul on you". " > > and ended your mail, > > "Where is your spirit 'top' teams??????" > > I'm not going to enter in to the whole tour structure argument, but I do > have to comment on the above. In your mails to date you seem to be > implying: > > 1) That the top teams are lacking in spirit because they want to impose > their wishes upon the rest of the Ultimate playing community. To this I > would point out that there must be somewhere in the region of 100 > individuals playing for the top eight teams, but so far I have only seen > between 5 and 10 individuals from these teams posting comments on the > issue of the tour structure ­ PLEASE DON'T assume that these few > individuals speak for the whole of their teams! > > 2) As I understand it, the core idea of "the Spirit of the Game" is more > closely expressed in "not getting arsey when someone calls a foul on you", > as you put it, rather than "playing to enjoy the game". You can, after > all, play ANY game just for the enjoyment of it. The whole point of "the > Spirit of the Game" is to play in a sportsmanlike manner - to make > reasonable infringement calls as defined by the rules, and to respect the > calls of others when they make them. One of the interesting things that I > thinOver the years I have heard many people express the opinion that the > top teams lack Spirit. Your comments so far are somewhat ambiguous on this > issue - please confirm Jon that you don't subscribe to this opinion as I > find it objectionable. There are many, many players on the "top teams" who > I regard not only as good athletes, but also good sportsmen in the heat of > competition. I was unable to stick around at Nationals to watch the Final, > but from what I have heard, it was a highly competitive AND very spor > Jonathan Formerly ShotGONE Now Catch 22 From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Oct 8 16:30:56 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id QAA03588 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 16:07:56 +0100 (BST) Received: from ntintel1.webleicester.co.uk ([195.146.160.4]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA03545 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 16:07:48 +0100 (BST) Received: by NTINTEL1 with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 16:07:39 +0100 Message-ID: From: Ian Scotland To: "britdisc (E-mail)" Subject: RE: Spirited Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 16:07:38 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk A brief statement on Big Funky's comments; > "Spirit is something that seems to be lacking in the higher > positions: spirit changes from being "playing to enjoy the > game" to "not getting arsey when someone calls a foul on you". " > > "Where is your spirit 'top' teams??????" I don't know if Red count as a 'top' team, but as a player in a team that regularly plays again 'top' and 'bottom' teams, I have always found the lower teams to be less spirited. Examples are: - Ignoring calls of, out-of-bounds, travel, etc - Getting upset/angry when called back for the call they just ignored - Getting upset/angry that anyone should call a foul on them at all - not calling fouls I would admit that the games against the 'top' teams have become more physical, with much more bumping, but this may be because there's more of me than there used to be to bump! Scott Red From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Oct 8 16:31:47 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id QAA08142 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 16:23:28 +0100 (BST) Received: from papaya.mail.easynet.net (papaya.mail.easynet.net [195.40.1.40]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA08131 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 16:23:25 +0100 (BST) Received: (qmail 24250 invoked from network); 8 Oct 1998 15:23:19 -0000 Received: from larry.texcel.co.uk (HELO texcel.co.uk) (195.40.103.11) by papaya.mail.easynet.net with SMTP; 8 Oct 1998 15:23:19 -0000 Received: from dreamer.demon.co.uk by texcel.co.uk (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id QAA27035; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 16:23:15 +0100 Message-ID: <361CD8E3.E601FA41@dreamer.demon.co.uk> Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 16:23:15 +0100 From: Neil Travers Organization: Home(ish) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.5 sun4d) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: BritDisc Subject: Re: Spirited References: <13168.9810081437@eng.warwick.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Andrew Tucker wrote: > Well said!! I couldn't agree with you more J, you've just beaten me > to writing a similar posting. Yes, I was about to write a similar email too. Instead I'll just post the definition of 'Spirit of the Game' from the WFDF rulebook. I see the important parts as being 'respect' and 'fair play'. 401 Spirit of the Game: Ultimate has traditionally relied upon a spirit of sportsmanship which places the responsibility for fair play on the individual player himself. Highly competitive play is encouraged but never at the expense of mutual respect between players, adherence to the agreed-upon rules of the game or the basic joy of play. The purpose of the rules of ultimate is to provide a guideline which describes the way the game is played. It is assumed that no ultimate player will intentionally violate the rules; there are no harsh penalties for inadvertent infractions but, rather, a method for resuming play in a manner which simulates what would most likely have occurred had there been no infraction. -- Neil Travers From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Oct 8 16:32:12 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id QAA05055 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 16:13:04 +0100 (BST) Received: from web02.iname.net (web02.iname.net [165.251.4.12]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA05008 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 16:12:59 +0100 (BST) From: space.cadet@inorbit.com Received: (from root@localhost) by web02.iname.net (8.8.8/8.8.0) id LAA25368; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 11:12:45 -0400 (EDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <981008111245AL.12570@web02> Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 11:12:45 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: Text/Plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Ah, shaddap you bleaters! Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Optimal league size = 16 teams. Shut it! If sufficient teams enter the tour, a secondary league will be in order. This is not likely to be the case until the millenium at least. Meanwhile, women's participation is growing, without being catered for in open tournaments( it isn't growing fast enough to sustain competitive teams in open tournaments, nor quite yet to extend to satifactory women-only events ). They need more opportunities to play mixed/female opposition. Additional tournaments with compulsory mixed squads ( say 4-5 women per team )would remedy this and address the issue of lack of events in the season for less go-for-the-throat, more keep-up-the-spirit type teams. As someone already pointed out, there are going to be more new student teams than ever this year - many consisting almost entirely of freshers, new to the sport( and to life, young pups ) - who want to enjoy the "Ultimate Experience" ( are you experienced? ), not have their noses rubbed in it by this year's fleetingly supreme ( and invariably unfriendly & stuck-up - no names ) champions. C'mon BritDiskers, the weather alone makes the love of Ultimate a forbidding excercise, let's not bog it down with even more of our own personal baggage. The opinions expressed in this transmission were bought off-the-shelf near where you live. --------------------------------------------------- Get free personalized email at http://www.iname.com From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Oct 8 16:35:36 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id QAA07993 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 16:22:54 +0100 (BST) Received: from crane.cf.ac.uk (crane.cf.ac.uk [131.251.0.45]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA07968 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 16:22:48 +0100 (BST) Received: from HUMSCF2S.CF.AC.UK by crane.cf.ac.uk with SMTP-LOC (PP); Thu, 8 Oct 1998 16:21:21 +0100 Received: from HUMSCF2S/SpoolDir by HUMSCF2S.CF.AC.UK (Mercury 1.43); 8 Oct 98 16:21:20 GMT0BST Received: from SpoolDir by HUMSCF2S (Mercury 1.43); 8 Oct 98 16:21:01 GMT0BST From: DAVID BARNARD To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 16:20:59 GMT0BST Subject: Student teams again In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.54) Message-ID: <1EF68693115@HUMSCF2S.CF.AC.UK> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi all students again, Please could I have the remining contact details for the rest of the student teams, you know who you are. Sussex in particular can I have yours. I need to speak to you about the SE regionals. Thanks Dave Dave Barnard - Catch 22, No Frills & MTJAH @ 0411 691129 From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Oct 8 16:55:12 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id QAA12272 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 16:38:25 +0100 (BST) Received: from otto.crispgroup.co.uk (crispgroup.demon.co.uk [158.152.87.155]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA12231 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 16:38:14 +0100 (BST) Received: from [129.1.1.241] by otto.crispgroup.co.uk (NTMail 3.03.0017/1.aia2) with ESMTP id qa025366 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 16:33:26 +0100 Received: from [129.1.11.56] by homer.crispgroup.co.uk (NTMail 3.03.0012/1.aia2) with ESMTP id sa030880 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 16:32:10 +0100 Received: by raviben810.crispgroup.co.uk with Microsoft Mail id <01BDF2DA.A231B1C0@raviben810.crispgroup.co.uk>; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 16:42:27 +0100 Message-ID: <01BDF2DA.A231B1C0@raviben810.crispgroup.co.uk> From: Ben Ravilious To: "'Britdisc'" Subject: Spirit & the Rules Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 16:42:26 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Info: Crisp Computing Mail Server Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id QAA12260 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk This will all end in tears. What I think would be useful (and has been suggested in previous years) is that we should somehow try to improve everyone's understanding of the rules of the game (and when to apply them according to SOTG). I know I'm still uncertain about some of the finer points and this sort of thing must be one of the most common sources of arguments on the pitch. All: "Great idea Ben, why dont you put together a simplified version of the rules which includes specifics about when calls are fair to make and when SOTG can be applied" Doh. Any offers/previous material/knowledge out there? There must be a Simon out there who can help us. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Oct 8 16:55:14 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id QAA15355 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 16:49:34 +0100 (BST) Received: from monsoon.dial.pipex.net (monsoon.dial.pipex.net [158.43.128.69]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA15334 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 16:49:30 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199810081549.QAA15334@pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Received: (qmail 10178 invoked from network); 8 Oct 1998 15:49:12 -0000 Received: from userk956.uk.uudial.com (HELO default) (193.149.73.24) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 8 Oct 1998 15:49:12 -0000 Reply-To: From: "Matthew Lowe" To: "BritDisc" Subject: My view (for what its worth) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 16:45:22 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Sorry about the length of this one, look away if your not intrested in this tour debate. The whole current debate on the Tour seems to be losing its aim, there is a lot of bitching hidden within it, and some things which people are taking offence to that maybe weren't supposed to be offencive. the whole thing has got a bit messed up, but I'll add what I think about the tour in the most friendly and hopefully fair way that I can, but apologies now to anyone that takes any offence. Firstly, i like the tour the way it is. As a player for a small Junior team I realise why some people like the current system as it provides them with a chance to play top teams. At this years tour 1 we got to play teams like catch 22 and superfly, game which we really enjoyed, yet on the Sunday we had games of more our level which were also great fun. I know that top level teams want hard games all the time but as far as i can see the tour only gives you easier games for tour 1 and maybe tour 2. By spliting the tour teams like catch, UTI, Druids, Chevvy etc would get more hard games but where would new talented teams come from. The idea of promotion and relagtion has been suggested but people can't really decided how often. if relagation only happened at the end of the tour you would find good teams like touch having to spend a season in division 2, and a team such as VH or superfly may spend a year out of their league playing in division 1 (though they might enjoy getting to play UTI ever couple of weeks). As far as i can tell spliting the tour at the current time would be very dangerous for the following reasons. 1) Is their enough intrest for two events on the same weekend (div1 and div2)? I know it may look like it now but would so many teams be intrested if they had to play in division 2. 2) Would a split help the sport? You may find a situation develope where the gap between the ability of division 1 and division 2 players becomes quite big, a bit like the premiership/division 1 thing that happens in football, a team will play well enough to get promoted but then get thrashed all of next season. 3) Tarting. If BAF had a bad start to the season for example (not having ago at BAF) would Merrick want to play for them in division 2 or would he go join catch or Druids. this is just an example and may not happen, but I think you would find players of good quality jumping to a top team instead of sitting in division 2, this could leave whole teams of novices with no one to teach them skills or some teams may even give up and dispand. Although I'm not pro the tour changing now, I think we should plan to change it in the next few years. I have seen two local uni teams take on massive numbers of freshers in the last few weeks, and this is probably the way the sport is heading, towards a bigger audience, and we need to start planning a full proof system for the time we'll need it, ie get rid of current faults like 1) The difficulty of moving up nd down the tour rankings during the tour 2) Some thing not yet mention in the current debate but "what is more important, the tour or nationals?" Should UTI perform better over the season only to get piped at the post by Catch. catch are a fine team but surely UTI earned the title of national champions for there quality performances through the season. Thats enough from me for the moment, I'm sure people have things to say and any way I want some diner :-) Matt Lowe Matthew.Lowe@Dial.Pipex.com From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Oct 8 16:56:52 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id QAA13220 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 16:41:30 +0100 (BST) Received: from euler.central.cranfield.ac.uk (euler.central.cranfield.ac.uk [138.250.48.9]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA13180 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 16:41:25 +0100 (BST) Received: from lnnt011f.lanch.cranfield.ac.uk ([138.250.34.11]) by euler.central.cranfield.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.92 #2) for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk id 0zRIBu-0001Ff-00; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 16:41:22 +0100 From: aaron altman Reply-To: A.Altman@cranfield.ac.uk To: British Disc Discussion Group Subject: Spirit? Message-ID: Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 16:41:21 +0100 (British Summer Time) X-Mailer: Simeon for Win32 Version 4.1.2 Build (32) X-Authentication: none MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk "Wigsy" states: > This is something that I take offense to. The shouting we > have on pitch or the seemingly bad calls we make are > becos we are playing for something a little more > important than 9th place. Wow, now that is some frightening logic. Spirit of the game has the same definition (as Neil pointed out) regardless of the level of play, practice or competition, or place you are playing for. Now the fact that some people might forget that in the heat of the moment is a different matter altogether, but still constitutes a lack of SOTG. With that said, there is no difference in the top 8 or bottom 8. Good and bad spirit is found on ALL levels, and i have found that in so many instances results from ignorance of the rules. Aaron ---------------------- aaron altman Cranfield University A.Altman@Cranfield.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Oct 8 17:34:26 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id RAA22196 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 17:15:52 +0100 (BST) Received: from shrimp.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (ralf@shrimp [137.205.227.130]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA22164 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 17:15:46 +0100 (BST) Received: (from ralf@localhost) by shrimp.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA04393 for britdisc@csv; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 17:16:07 +0100 (BST) From: Ralf Message-Id: <199810081616.RAA04393@shrimp.dcs.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Spirited In-Reply-To: from Ian Scotland at "Oct 8, 98 04:07:38 pm" To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 17:16:07 +0100 (BST) X-Quote: Productivity is in the eye of the beholder. X-Quote: The closest to perfection a person ever comes is when they fill out a job application. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL35 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk [...] > I have always found the lower teams to be less spirited. Examples are: > - Ignoring calls of, out-of-bounds, travel, etc > - Getting upset/angry when called back for the call they just ignored > - Getting upset/angry that anyone should call a foul on them at all > - not calling fouls I'm not sure about this. I've been playing for over four years, and I still have problems here. For instance, fairly frequently when I am picked against, and I call it, most people carry on. And to be fair, whilst it is not in the spirit of the rules, it is an awful lot easier to back down and carry on, rather than making sure the game stops and the disc goes back, particularly when you know that it probably wouldn't have made much difference. On the rare occaion when I think the foul really has made a difference to the outcome, I do make sure the call is heard, although often this makes me feel bad spirited, because the less experienced teams take it all a lot more personally, and think you're accusing them of fouling deliberately rather than accidentally. To be honest, I think this stems from the teaching phase of newer teams. All of the cases described above have occurred whilst playing less experienced teams. In most cases, this is usually simply because the players have never had the rules and fouls explained to them. More often, at least in my experience, teams tend to ignore most fouls when practising. This seems to have the effect that a lot of the newer players don't realise that it's not how things should be done. Without wishing to cause offence to the person concerned, I know someone, who's usual game is rugby, who has no qualms about taking the no-contact rule with a pinch of salt. Whenever I point this out, he apologises, but never actually seems to learn. In these cases, you can't keep calling foul, as everyone would get pissed off with you for stopping the game, and they carry on thinking that their playing style is fine. Particularly in a student environment, this is bad, as the newer players see these examples in practises, and think this is the norm. It's a vicious circle, and the only way of solving it is by ensuring that everyone calls fouls when they occur, rather than just ignoring them. Ralf. ____ ____ _ _ ____ .----------------------------------------. _\__ \ _\__ \ / \ / \\__/ | Ranulf Doswell | / \_/ /_ / \_/ \ / / / /___ | Department of Computer Science | \ __ \\ __ \\ \ _\ \\_/ |University of Warwick, COVENTRY, CV4 7AL| \ \ \ \\ \ \ \\ \__/ \\ \ | Phone: 01203 523296 Fax: 01203 525714 | \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \______/ \_/ `----------------------------------------' From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Oct 8 18:02:01 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id RAA28094 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 17:39:49 +0100 (BST) Received: from [137.205.222.1] (mac-wie-31 [137.205.222.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA28084 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 17:39:47 +0100 (BST) X-Sender: serai@mail.csv.warwick.ac.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199810081616.RAA04393@shrimp.dcs.warwick.ac.uk> References: from Ian Scotland at "Oct 8, 98 04:07:38 pm" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 17:42:20 +0100 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: Dave Neilson Subject: Re: Spirited Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk [Ralf's examples of calls not heeded or else not carried through edited out] >Without wishing to cause offence to the person concerned, I know >someone, who's usual game is rugby, who has no qualms about taking the >no-contact rule with a pinch of salt. Whenever I point this out, he >apologises, but never actually seems to learn. In these cases, you can't >keep calling foul, as everyone would get pissed off with you for >stopping the game, and they carry on thinking that their playing style >is fine. Particularly in a student environment, this is bad, as the >newer players see these examples in practises, and think this is the >norm. It's a vicious circle, and the only way of solving it is by >ensuring that everyone calls fouls when they occur, rather than just >ignoring them. If I could offer an alternative ending to Ralf's conclusion: "It's a vicious circle, and the only way of solving it is by ..." ... EDUCATION! This is why we really ought to be working towards a system of qualified Ultimate coaches. The 'well-meaning' leading the 'unexperienced' can only get you so far! Now how do I get down from this soapbox? Sammy "coaching by appointment" Neilson. ============================ Still Aimlessly Meandering Still Thinking About Nothing SUNTANS Veteran Chevron's Mature Mascot From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Oct 8 18:03:39 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id RAA00301 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 17:53:21 +0100 (BST) Received: from pump2.york.ac.uk (pump2.york.ac.uk [144.32.128.12]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA00265 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 17:53:17 +0100 (BST) Received: from mailer.york.ac.uk (mailer.york.ac.uk [144.32.128.96]) by pump2.york.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id RAA16981 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 17:53:13 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 17:53:12 +0100 (BST) From: Catherine Walker To: britdisc Subject: Ultiamate in York Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk York university now officially have our own club. Hooray. But now that we have people to play we are lacking in the following.... *a coach *cheap discs to buy *teams to play against. If you can help with any of those, or can tell me anything that I can add to my icccle list that I've missed out that would be useful then that would be most useful. Cheers muchly Catherine <*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*> There are some days when being able to spell Tuesday just doesn't count. -Rabbit <*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*> From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Oct 8 18:24:04 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id SAA04030 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 18:10:50 +0100 (BST) Received: from beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk (beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.129.138]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA04016 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 18:10:48 +0100 (BST) Received: from cedar.sucs.soton.ac.uk (cedar.sucs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.128.92]) by beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.8/relay-02) with ESMTP id SAA00018 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 18:10:43 +0100 (BST) Received: from soton.ac.uk (maggie.aero.soton.ac.uk [152.78.240.162]) by cedar.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.8/relay-02) with ESMTP id SAA13918 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 18:06:50 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <361CF041.DC21C9AF@soton.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 18:02:57 +0100 From: Paul Schuricht X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.5 sun4m) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: BritDisc Subject: Re: My view (for what its worth) References: <199810081549.QAA15334@pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Matthew Lowe wrote: > > 2) Some thing not yet mention in the current debate but "what is more important, the tour > or nationals?" Should UTI perform better over the season only to get piped at the post by > Catch. catch are a fine team but surely UTI earned the title of national champions for > there quality performances through the season. Thats enough from me for the moment, I'm > sure people have things to say and any way I want some diner :-) > Which is more important, out of Nationals and the Tour, is open to debate, and you may find that some people disagree on the answer (perhaps Catch and UTI?). However, I don't think you can say that UTI earned the title of national champs by winning the Tour. Nationals is there to decide the national champions, which is why it is called nationals. I was going to write more, but I think you'll find that all the teams at nationals knew that it was the national championship they were playing for, and that the tour results didn't matter (apart from deciding who got to be there). Besides I think it's a nice change to have more than one team at the top, makes a change from the domination of recent years by shotgone. Sonic From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Oct 8 18:24:36 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id SAA05769 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 18:19:12 +0100 (BST) Received: from mail.deloitte.co.uk (mail.deloitte.co.uk [194.88.95.3]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA05757 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 18:19:08 +0100 (BST) From: helen.myers@deloitte.co.uk Message-Id: Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 18:16:21 +0000 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Re: mail from space cadet! - womens ultimate MIME-version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: TFS Gateway /310000000/310102502/310102532/300490599/ Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id SAA05762 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Additional tournaments with compulsory mixed squads will help womens ultimate no more than it will help mens ultimate. The womens game is different to the mens game and both are different to the mixed game although being based on the same principles. Both Twin Peaks and Bliss competed well in the tour last season due to the way in which the competition was organised - enabling teams of similar standards to play each other. It doesn't matter whether they were male, female or mixed teams, we had a lot of close games and both of the women's teams finished at around 20th place in the tour. Womens ultimate in the UK will only improve if womens teams continue to develop and we continue to put in efforts to hold tournaments for all female teams. That is not to say we cannot continue to compete in the open tournaments - we're doing ok and just need more teams to follow suit - come on Women in Black, Organics, Mud Culture/Sneeekys/Sconz, 0181, any others . . . Love 'n' layouts Helen ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Ah, shaddap you bleaters! Author: space.cadet@inorbit.com at DTT.UK.INTERNET Date: 08/10/98 17:21 Optimal league size = 16 teams. Shut it! If sufficient teams enter the tour, a secondary league will be in order. This is not likely to be the case until the millenium at least. Meanwhile, women's participation is growing, without being catered for in open tournaments( it isn't growing fast enough to sustain competitive teams in open tournaments, nor quite yet to extend to satifactory women-only events ). They need more opportunities to play mixed/female opposition. Additional tournaments with compulsory mixed squads ( say 4-5 women per team )would remedy this and address the issue of lack of events in the season for less go-for-the-throat, more keep -up-the-spirit type teams. As someone already pointed out, there are going to be more new student teams than ever this year - many consisting almost entirely of freshers, new to the sport( and to life, young pups ) - who want to enjoy the "Ultimate Experience" ( are y ou experienced? ), not have their noses rubbed in it by this year's fleetingly supreme ( and invariably unfriendly & stuck-up - no names ) champions. C'mon BritDiskers, the weather alone makes the love of Ultimate a forbidding excercise, let's not bog it down with even more of our own personal baggage. The opinions expressed in this transmission were bought off-the-shelf near where you live. --------------------------------------------------- Get free personalized email at http://www.iname.com From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Oct 8 18:25:22 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id SAA03536 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 18:08:19 +0100 (BST) Received: from mail2.lancs.ac.uk (mail2.lancs.ac.uk [148.88.8.13]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA03512 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 18:08:13 +0100 (BST) Received: from mail2.lancs.ac.uk (actually host localhost) by mail2.lancs.ac.uk with Local SMTP (PP); Thu, 8 Oct 1998 18:07:46 +0100 Received: from unixc.lancs.ac.uk (unixc.lancs.ac.uk [148.88.16.116]) by mail2.lancs.ac.uk with SpooMTA 1.23; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 18:07:46 +0000 Received: (from nurney@localhost) by unixc.lancs.ac.uk (8.8.4/8.6.12) id SAA19596 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 18:07:39 +0100 (BST) From: JOANNE NURNEY Message-Id: <199810081707.SAA19596@unixc.lancs.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Spirited To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 18:07:39 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <199810081616.RAA04393@shrimp.dcs.warwick.ac.uk> from "Ralf" at Oct 8, 98 05:16:07 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk I agree with you Ralph on the point of calling fouls. I have just been to the very first practice of a university team which had a lot of beginners. There was considerable pushing during one of the drills and I asked if the player was a rugby player which he was! I would call a fould during warm up but during the game I rarely do because I always feel like I'm being 'bad-spirited' or fussy! It is a really important point to teach new players that it is a non-contact sport and that pushing/shoving is not allowed. I think when it comes down to aggressive tactics to try and mark up effectively then it is just bad spirited of the other team and not the caller. As Dave Barnard would tell you from bitter experience it can get aggressive out there on pitch (remember Minneapolis Dave!!??) and players must not allow it to happen regardless of whether it would make alot of difference to the outcome of the game. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Oct 8 18:25:32 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id SAA05373 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 18:17:23 +0100 (BST) Received: from brookes.ac.uk (csmail.brookes.ac.uk [161.73.1.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA05364 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 18:17:20 +0100 (BST) Received: from 97315250 by brookes.ac.uk (8.8.7/) id SAA10973; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 18:17:05 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 18:17:05 +0100 (BST) From: jewell tara s <97315250@brookes.ac.uk> Message-Id: <199810081717.SAA10973@brookes.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Brookes Windows Client ver. 4.2b To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: discs Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Oxford student team require about 30 discs. Can anybody help? Is the BUF still supplying them? Jon From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Oct 8 18:25:49 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id SAA03736 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 18:09:23 +0100 (BST) Received: from brookes.ac.uk (csmail.brookes.ac.uk [161.73.1.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA03725 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 18:09:20 +0100 (BST) Received: from 97315250 by brookes.ac.uk (8.8.7/) id SAA08118; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 18:09:15 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 18:09:15 +0100 (BST) From: jewell tara s <97315250@brookes.ac.uk> Message-Id: <199810081709.SAA08118@brookes.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Brookes Windows Client ver. 4.2b To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Women's Nationals Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk WOMEN'S NATIONALS Can all the women's teams who haven't yet sent a cheque to me please do so by the deadline date of Saturday, 10th October. I've had 6 promises but only 2 have paid up - Bliss and Twin Peaks. Saturday is my deadline for cancelling the pitches if we don't have enough teams to make it worthwhile. Promises from: Women in Black Leeds Mohawks/Sheffield Bears Organics/Superfly 50 pounds payable to Tara Jewell at: 10 Tyndale Road Oxford OX4 1JL Thanks, Tara From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Oct 8 19:04:16 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id SAA09830 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 18:41:43 +0100 (BST) Received: from brookes.ac.uk (csmail.brookes.ac.uk [161.73.1.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA09817 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 18:41:37 +0100 (BST) Received: from 97315250 by brookes.ac.uk (8.8.7/) id SAA18766; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 18:41:36 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 18:41:36 +0100 (BST) From: jewell tara s <97315250@brookes.ac.uk> Message-Id: <199810081741.SAA18766@brookes.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Brookes Windows Client ver. 4.2b To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: world ultimate mag Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Anyone out there have an e-mail address for Dave Brown, the good-for-nothing who is supposed to run World Ultimate Magazine (apart from the fake one that was in the 1st edtn of WUM) and has had a bunch of Paul Hurt's and my photos for almost SIX MONTHS!?? Obliged if you can help me track him down! Jon Hope From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Oct 8 20:58:42 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id UAA23152 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 20:42:11 +0100 (BST) Received: from betelgeuse.technimetrics.com ([204.153.88.34]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA23146 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 20:42:08 +0100 (BST) From: ademilt@technimetrics.com Received: from tech1notes.technimetrics.com ([198.153.206.19] (may be forged)) by betelgeuse.technimetrics.com (2.5 Build 2626 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with SMTP id PAA02498 for ; Thu, 08 Oct 1998 15:43:52 -0400 Received: by tech1notes.technimetrics.com(Lotus SMTP MTA SMTP v4.6 (462.2 9-3-1997)) id 85256697.006C09E4 ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 15:40:04 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: TECHNIMETRICS To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Message-ID: <85256697.006B984F.00@tech1notes.technimetrics.com> Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 15:40:01 -0400 Subject: London transfer! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi all- It appears that I'll be moving to London for a few years as of this coming February. As I know basically nothing about the city (it's a work-related transfer), I'd be quite interested to hear any suggestions on finding accomodation, where to live (neighborhoods which would be good for someone in their mid-20s) and (most importantly) where to play ultimate! Thanks for any info you can provide, and see you on the fields! -Amanda From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Oct 8 21:45:58 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id VAA27707 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 21:31:57 +0100 (BST) Received: from aisle (aisle.tesco.net [194.73.73.167]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA27682 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 21:31:45 +0100 (BST) Received: from default [62.172.22.98] by aisle with smtp (Exim 1.70 #1) id 0zRMif-0004FX-00; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 21:31:29 +0100 Message-ID: <008c01bdf2f9$ee387da0$6216ac3e@default> From: "Delbert" To: "HUGHES, Chris" , "'Britdisc'" Subject: Re: Big Funky vs World Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 21:25:28 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Spot on Chris, >From what I can gather with my electronically challenged mind (Guy, I assume that was a reference to me and Lee) the issue seems to be about teams around the cut off point losing out and being unable to extend their horizons. Having played on a weaker team in the old tournament format I never learnt anything by getting bageled by Hombres/Stan/Druids. Does anybody really believe that a valid exchange of Ultimate ideas is magically going to occur as the 'top' team cruises to an easy victory and then heads off to their tents for whatever post match relaxation took their fancy? I've learnt a lot more by playing with good players rather than against them. The Tour format has worked wonders for the standard of Ultimate in this country (it is about time we reflected that in international competitions-something that Red Lights remarked to me at Eastbourne) but nonetheless something must be done about the 7/8/9/10 place 'fringe' teams. With this in mind I would like to add support to Chris's idea of using your last tour placing to determine your next seeding with the overral points system determining seedings for the Nationals. Combined with this years current format of allowing one or two more open tournaments that should give all teams a more even shot. It would also highlight teams who are consistently good rather than a one off good result. As for beginners being unable to see excellent Ultimate being played at finals and semis that is a real shame but one which, unless someone is prepared to organise massive tournaments able to cater for the whole BUF community, we are forced to live with. Del -UTI -----Original Message----- From: HUGHES, Chris To: 'Britdisc' Date: 08 October 1998 15:01 Subject: Big Funky vs World >I think an argument here is getting distorted, but it raises a number of >points. > >BAFlies performed very poorly at the start of the tour last year, the sent a >weak team to the critical 1st tournament, Merrick was injured, and so they >finished tour 1 in a low position. Then during the season they picked up >their perfomance - Mezza came back from injury, they practised hard and >improved (Sorry - that's not supposed to sound like it is a one man team). >When it finally came round to nationals they were seeded tenth just outside >the top eight slot. The nationals rather like NFL / NBA leagues, take the >performance over a year and then let these qualifying teams slug it out to >finally get a winner. Unless we start again and have Nationals as a >completely open tournament some one just outside the cut is going to get >pissed. > >The argument here should be more about the tour. This was set up so that >teams played teams of approx the same level, but in the tournament format >you would always play some one better than you (unless you won outright). >And the tour WORKS like that. BAF this year, 1st Touch last year, came up >through the ranks as they improved. The argument is that teams are too >hampered / promoted by their initial results. BAF had a bad 1st tour, and >since the seeding is a complicated version of an average result you need a >number of good results to remove the effect of a bad result, which is then >too late in the season. Vhappy and their initial results worked for them as >they started to struggle later in the tour and were consistently seeded >higher than their previous starting position, BAF always started lower than >their previous finishing position. > >So why not start each tournament with seedings based on previous finishing >positions. Yes this would promote more movement of teams, and would make it >easier to remove the effects of a poor tournament, but it also punishes the >teams who have a poor tournament much quicker. Example Team finishes 1st in >T1, 9th in T2, then has poor turnout and plays badly and finishes in 9th >position in T3 by loosing a lot of their games. By basing the starting >position on average results they would start T4 approx 4th , could go on to >win T4 and T5 and the tour. Using the previous finishing position system the >best they could do in T4 is finish 5th, irrelevant of how good they are and >then go and win T5 but not the tour, loosing to a team that is consistently >2nd. > >Both systems have their ups and downs, the present system makes teams slow >to move, and teams need good results at the beginning, the new system, which >is not in place yet, is quicker to react to a new result - to the benefit or >detriment of the team. > >My personal preference is to have the new system used for seedings in the >tour, allowing more movement of teams within groups, and the present to seed >teams for national, thereby rewarding a consistent team with a slot in >nationals > > >Discuss. > >Chris > From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Oct 8 21:47:26 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id VAA28654 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 21:41:42 +0100 (BST) Received: from trolley (trolly.tesco.net [194.73.73.166] (may be forged)) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA28648 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 21:41:40 +0100 (BST) Received: from default [62.172.28.33] by trolley with smtp (Exim 1.70 #1) id 0zRMrV-0006oG-00; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 21:40:37 +0100 Message-ID: <00ad01bdf2fb$5062b080$6216ac3e@default> From: "Delbert" To: "Paul Schuricht" , "BritDisc" Subject: Re: My view (for what its worth) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 21:35:36 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Absolutely Paul. We knew what the stakes were and it made it all the more important for us to win it. Yes we played well all season but when it came to the crunch we didn't have the stuff and now we'll go throught the entire winter nursing wounds and plotting our revenge... Del (UTI) -----Original Message----- From: Paul Schuricht To: BritDisc Date: 08 October 1998 19:03 Subject: Re: My view (for what its worth) >Matthew Lowe wrote: >> >> 2) Some thing not yet mention in the current debate but "what is more important, the tour >> or nationals?" Should UTI perform better over the season only to get piped at the post by >> Catch. catch are a fine team but surely UTI earned the title of national champions for >> there quality performances through the season. Thats enough from me for the moment, I'm >> sure people have things to say and any way I want some diner :-) >> >Which is more important, out of Nationals and the Tour, is open to >debate, and >you may find that some people disagree on the answer (perhaps Catch and >UTI?). > >However, I don't think you can say that UTI earned the title of national >champs by winning >the Tour. Nationals is there to decide the national champions, which is >why it is called nationals. > >I was going to write more, but I think you'll find that all the teams at >nationals knew that >it was the national championship they were playing for, and that the >tour results didn't matter (apart from deciding who got to be there). > >Besides I think it's a nice change to have more than one team at the >top, makes a change >from the domination of recent years by shotgone. > >Sonic > From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Oct 9 00:15:24 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id AAA11625 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 00:01:44 +0100 (BST) Received: from mail-gw1.webleicester.net (mailgate.webleicester.co.uk [195.146.160.12]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA11605 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 00:01:36 +0100 (BST) Received: from pii266 (pool-pri2-041.webleicester.co.uk [195.146.164.41]) by mail-gw1.webleicester.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id AAA08068 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 00:00:01 +0100 (BST) Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 00:05:48 +0100 Message-ID: <01BDF318.91F725E0.bravil@webleicester.co.uk> From: Ben Ravilious Reply-To: "bravil@webleicester.co.uk" To: "britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk" Subject: RE: world ultimate mag Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 23:59:19 +0100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Send in Roger Cook! To be fair, he never took any cash off my credit card. I get the impression he was expecting people to contribute for free. Am I right? I'm sure he's getting the same response that Paul Hurt gets. Shame. BTW, Jon when are you going to get your own Internet account? As I said to Tara, the BUF bought Gavin bates a modem a few years ago and I'm sure we could sort something out. (Gavin is now going to buy his off the BUF for those imbezzlement spotters out there!) Ben -----Original Message----- From: jewell tara s [SMTP:97315250@brookes.ac.uk] Sent: 08 October 1998 18:42 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: world ultimate mag Anyone out there have an e-mail address for Dave Brown, the good-for-nothing who is supposed to run World Ultimate Magazine (apart from the fake one that was in the 1st edtn of WUM) and has had a bunch of Paul Hurt's and my photos for almost SIX MONTHS!?? Obliged if you can help me track him down! Jon Hope From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Oct 9 10:55:24 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id KAA01717 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 10:42:02 +0100 (BST) Received: from mailhub.abdn.ac.uk (mailhub.abdn.ac.uk [139.133.7.23]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA01702 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 10:41:59 +0100 (BST) Received: from cb223q.ugrad.abdn.ac.uk (cb223q.ugrad.abdn.ac.uk [139.133.17.77]) by mailhub.abdn.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA10102 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 10:41:05 +0100 (BST) From: neil Preston To: "'Britdisc'" Subject: Disc's Message-ID: Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 10:41:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: Simeon for Windows Version 4.0.9 X-Authentication: IMSP MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Old favourite question - where can I get some disc's from? seems the guy that we got them from last time has skipped the country! Please help - a dog has just chewed mine! ---------------------- neil Preston u01ngp@abdn.ac.uk Petroleum Aberdeen University Ultimate Club From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Oct 9 10:56:10 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id KAA02780 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 10:46:30 +0100 (BST) Received: from caged.st-andrews.ac.uk (root@caged.st-and.ac.uk [138.251.34.40]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA02771 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 10:46:27 +0100 (BST) Received: from purds.st-andrews.ac.uk (jpg2@purds [138.251.34.20]) by caged.st-andrews.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA09410; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 10:46:24 +0100 (BST) Received: from localhost (jpg2@localhost) by purds.st-andrews.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA01627; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 10:46:22 +0100 (BST) Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 10:46:22 +0100 (BST) From: Big Funky X-Sender: jpg2@st-andrews.ac.uk To: mfix6can@stud.man.ac.uk cc: BritDisc Subject: RE:Re: Tour 99 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Wigsy (and anyone else I offended), if I cause you offence I am sorry. It wasn't ment as a personal attack. I understand that the stakes are much higher. I wasn't talking about spirit in "leeting someone have a dropped pull" sense; that is something to do where games are less important. I was merely making the point that playing a team who are 'worse' than you should be a chance for the better players to enjoy passing on their skills and experience to newer, less experienced players. Too often I have seen at least individuals (if not whole teams) comming across to lower teams that they can't be bothered because the lower team don't warrent respect. I'm not saying that it is wrong to feel that, I understand it can be frustrating, but spirit (and just being a nice person) is about making sure that the opposition don't feel that way too. I appologuise again for any offence. Jon Good aka 'Big Funky' of 'Funkian' and 'More than just a Hint' aka 'Frank LeBoeuf' of 'Blue Arse Flies' D.O.P.A. S.A.U. (underground) Wine Soc. Captain S.A.U.U.F.C. - Flying Sorcerers The loneliest man since time began - all air-fare donations gratefully received World of Crack! "She asked for I drink, I baught farmhouse scrumpy And then went back to her's for some rumpy-pumpy." From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Oct 9 10:56:47 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id KAA02346 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 10:44:49 +0100 (BST) Received: from mailhub.abdn.ac.uk (mailhub.abdn.ac.uk [139.133.7.23]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA02332 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 10:44:47 +0100 (BST) Received: from cb223q.ugrad.abdn.ac.uk (cb223q.ugrad.abdn.ac.uk [139.133.17.77]) by mailhub.abdn.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA10551 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 10:43:53 +0100 (BST) From: neil Preston To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Discs Message-ID: Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 10:44:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: Simeon for Windows Version 4.0.9 X-Authentication: IMSP MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Old question - where can I get discs from? Wanting about 10 - 20 for the Aberdeen Ultimate club. The guy that we got them from last time has skipped the country! Please help - a dog has just chewed mine!! ---------------------- neil Preston u01ngp@abdn.ac.uk petroleum Aberdeen Uni Ultimate Frisbee Club From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Oct 9 11:38:10 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id LAA11709 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 11:20:58 +0100 (BST) Received: from caged.st-andrews.ac.uk (root@caged.st-and.ac.uk [138.251.34.40]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA11691 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 11:20:55 +0100 (BST) Received: from purds.st-andrews.ac.uk (jpg2@purds [138.251.34.20]) by caged.st-andrews.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA10533 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 11:20:51 +0100 (BST) Received: from localhost (jpg2@localhost) by purds.st-andrews.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA04694 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 11:20:48 +0100 (BST) Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 11:20:48 +0100 (BST) From: Big Funky X-Sender: jpg2@st-andrews.ac.uk To: BritDisc Subject: Promotion/religation In-Reply-To: <199810081549.QAA15334@pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hello again! Sorry! After having read everyones views I have a suggestion. The league system would accomodate more teams - this is very important as the amount of new teams last year in Scotland alone was good, for it's size!! The promotion religation thing could be done at the end of every tournament. Why not have the bottom div1 vs top div2 etc. play-off at the end of every tour. This at least gives the chance for rapid movement if a team is truly better than their seedings. It also accomadates all the other pro's for the league system. At least this way a team could at least play a much higher ranked in the following tournament. It also supplies the incentive for consistancy (BAF and others!). The draw back still exists about not evryone getting a shot at one of the 'big-boys' (and I'm not just talking about Barnard's trouser length!). I honestly can't see a way of pleasing all sides of the argument but hey, that's Hughes' job. Jon Good aka 'Big Funky' of 'Funkian' and 'More than just a Hint' aka 'Frank LeBoeuf' of 'Blue Arse Flies' D.O.P.A. S.A.U. (underground) Wine Soc. Captain S.A.U.U.F.C. - Flying Sorcerers The loneliest man since time began - all air-fare donations gratefully received World of Crack! "She asked for I drink, I baught farmhouse scrumpy And then went back to her's for some rumpy-pumpy." From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Oct 9 11:57:19 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id LAA16904 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 11:38:25 +0100 (BST) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA16742 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 11:38:09 +0100 (BST) Received: from [158.152.203.174] (helo=[158.152.203.174]) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.03 #1) id 0zRZvw-00010K-00 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 10:38:04 +0000 Subject: Re: Spirited Date: Fri, 9 Oct 98 11:36:38 +0100 x-sender: ultimatum@pop3.demon.co.uk x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: Paul Hurt To: "BritDisc" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Message-Id: Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk >On the rare occaion when I think the foul really has made a difference >to the outcome, I do make sure the call is heard, although often this >makes me feel bad spirited, because the less experienced teams take it >all a lot more personally, and think you're accusing them of fouling >deliberately rather than accidentally. It's their spirit problem, not yours. If it's a pick, and it looks like it might affect the play, then you should have no qualms about calling it. If you don't call fouls, how will new teams ever learn to accept them and deal with them in a spirited fashion? Experienced players on new teams have a vital "coaching" role to play here. Teaching spirit is as important as teaching tactics. >Without wishing to cause offence to the person concerned, I know >someone, who's usual game is rugby, who has no qualms about taking the >no-contact rule with a pinch of salt. Whenever I point this out, he >apologises, but never actually seems to learn. In these cases, you can't >keep calling foul, as everyone would get pissed off with you for >stopping the game... Yes, you *can* keep calling foul. Other players that understand the game will get pissed off with the foul-er for causing the stoppage, not the foul-ee for calling it. Perhaps then the foul-er will get the message. God, it sounds like dog training! >It's a vicious circle, and the only way of solving it is by >ensuring that everyone calls fouls when they occur, rather than just >ignoring them. You said it! Paul --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Hurt Editor, Ultimatum Magazine, London, England editor@ultimatum.demon.co.uk Visit Ultimatum Online... http://www.ultimatum.demon.co.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Oct 9 12:57:51 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id MAA03248 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 12:42:22 +0100 (BST) Received: from na-ex-bridge2.nai.com (na-ex-bridge2.nai.com [208.228.228.65]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA03212 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 12:42:12 +0100 (BST) Received: by na-ex-bridge2.nai.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 04:37:36 -0700 Message-ID: <178EA92097A9D111AD0900A0C99B4EFC4F21E7@UK-EXCHANGE1> From: "Oakley, Caedman" To: "britdisc (E-mail)" Subject: RE: Spirited Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 04:14:00 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Thankyou Scott... > >I don't know if Red count as a 'top' team, but as a player in a team that >regularly plays again 'top' and 'bottom' teams, I have always found the >lower teams to be less spirited. Examples are: >- Ignoring calls of, out-of-bounds, travel, etc >- Getting upset/angry when called back for the call they just ignored >- Getting upset/angry that anyone should call a foul on them at all >- not calling fouls Most of the time if a call is made, it is because (And I will quote Adam "Fatboy" Batchelor here) the player making the call believes their point of view, as does the player disputing the call. It was good to see that in our game against Druids at Nationals, despite some odd calls (to us on the sideline) calls were sorted out between the players involved. According to 401, we should adhere to the rules - if you HONESTLY think you are being fouled, make the call. The opponent will probably dispute it, because they believe they weren't fouling, but the rules are there to deal with it. >I would admit that the games against the 'top' teams have become more >physical, with much more bumping, but this may be because there's more of me >than there used to be to bump! Actually Ian, there is a lot of bump and run stuff happening in the top 8, which I personally feel is a detriment to the game... I saw a game at Nationals in which a player bumped and ran, was called for it, and came back with no dispute... Can we PLEASE in the UK at least stop playing that style? - I know I am fat and slow, but that should mean that the person I am marking should be able to get away without bumping me - and so that people do not think I am singling teams out, I have had bump and run games against all the top 8 teams. >Scott >Red Mediocrity Sucks -----Original Message----- From: Ian Scotland [mailto:Scott@webleicester.net] Sent: Thursday, October 08, 1998 4:08 PM To: britdisc (E-mail) Subject: RE: Spirited A brief statement on Big Funky's comments; > "Spirit is something that seems to be lacking in the higher > positions: spirit changes from being "playing to enjoy the > game" to "not getting arsey when someone calls a foul on you". " > > "Where is your spirit 'top' teams??????" I don't know if Red count as a 'top' team, but as a player in a team that regularly plays again 'top' and 'bottom' teams, I have always found the lower teams to be less spirited. Examples are: - Ignoring calls of, out-of-bounds, travel, etc - Getting upset/angry when called back for the call they just ignored - Getting upset/angry that anyone should call a foul on them at all - not calling fouls I would admit that the games against the 'top' teams have become more physical, with much more bumping, but this may be because there's more of me than there used to be to bump! Scott Red From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Oct 9 13:04:28 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id MAA06978 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 12:58:39 +0100 (BST) Received: from brookes.ac.uk (csmail.brookes.ac.uk [161.73.1.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA06953 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 12:58:35 +0100 (BST) Received: from 97315250 by brookes.ac.uk (8.8.7/) id MAA11306; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 12:58:34 +0100 (BST) Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 12:58:34 +0100 (BST) From: jewell tara s <97315250@brookes.ac.uk> Message-Id: <199810091158.MAA11306@brookes.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Brookes Windows Client ver. 4.2b To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: For Scottish women Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi, As I've heard nothing from any Scottish women re: Women's Nationals - just checking that the message has got through. Can someone please contact me to confirm that you do know the tournament is happening but that a) you are unable to make it b) that you have joined up with another team who has paid - or c) that despite britdisc, snail mail, and a couple of personal emails, you don't know about it! Cheers, Tara From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Oct 9 13:04:35 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id MAA02746 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 12:40:15 +0100 (BST) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA02726 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 12:40:09 +0100 (BST) Received: from [158.152.203.174] (helo=[158.152.203.174]) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.03 #1) id 0zRatT-0004q3-00 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 11:39:36 +0000 Subject: Tooting Bec Monday night Date: Fri, 9 Oct 98 12:38:09 +0100 x-sender: ultimatum@pop3.demon.co.uk x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: Paul Hurt To: "BritDisc" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Message-Id: Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Just wanted to remind people about the Tooting Bec Floodlit On Grass practice, Monday evenings. They are happening. It's open to everyone. It was great fun last week. Come on down. 7.00pm - 9.00pm Mondays, Tooting Bec Athletics Track, South London Cheers Paul --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Hurt Editor, Ultimatum Magazine, London, England editor@ultimatum.demon.co.uk Visit Ultimatum Online... http://www.ultimatum.demon.co.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Oct 9 13:55:56 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id NAA14605 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 13:30:38 +0100 (BST) Received: from na-ex-bridge2.nai.com (na-ex-bridge2.nai.com [208.228.228.65]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA14422 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 13:29:49 +0100 (BST) Received: by na-ex-bridge2.nai.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 05:25:14 -0700 Message-ID: <178EA92097A9D111AD0900A0C99B4EFC4F21F5@UK-EXCHANGE1> From: "Oakley, Caedman" To: "'Britdisc'" Subject: RE: Big Funky vs World Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 04:56:59 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Del wrote: >Having played on a weaker team in the old tournament format I never learnt >anything by getting bageled by Hombres/Stan/Druids. Does anybody really >believe that a valid exchange of Ultimate ideas is magically going to occur >as the 'top' team cruises to an easy victory and then heads off to their >tents for whatever post match relaxation took their fancy? It seems that individuals on weaker teams will see things that they can do to improve their game, but I agree that _teams_ don't magically get better ideas - in fact if you think back to the onset of the "Shotgun O", I played on a team at the time that it would have suited very well, but they were so in awe of the fact that the top 3 teams were using it, that they felt that they couldn't learn it, and that they needed to win with standard O first, instead of adding it to their bow as a second string. There is a fine line between bringing on new players and increasing the competitivity of teams... >The Tour format has worked wonders for the standard of Ultimate in this >country (it is about time we reflected that in international >competitions-something that Red Lights remarked to me at Eastbourne) but >nonetheless something must be done about the 7/8/9/10 place 'fringe' teams. Del - do you mean UK 7/8/9/10? If so, the gap between the top and 10th team is closing at a far faster rate than the top teams are improving - I think that Chevy, Druids and Catch have had to look to play hard games against all those teams this season, which in previous years they wouldn't... >With this in mind I would like to add support to Chris's idea of using your >last tour placing to determine your next seeding with the overral points >system determining seedings for the Nationals. Combined with this years >current format of allowing one or two more open tournaments that should give >all teams a more even shot. It would also highlight teams who are >consistently good rather than a one off good result. Well said. >As for beginners being unable to see excellent Ultimate being played at >finals and semis that is a real shame but one which, unless someone is >prepared to organise massive tournaments able to cater for the whole BUF >community, we are forced to live with. The way to do this is for there to be more subscription to non-tour events - here we are discussing the fact that the tour format is going to change, and that people won't get to see top teams in action, and yet we don't go to non-tour events. yes there should be a split between top 16 and bottom 16 - yes there should be a better way of seeding, and yes, there should be a crossover between the top n teams of DivB and the bottom n teams of DivA - when that should happen is anybody's guess (good luck Chris!) BUT we need to make sure that teams do go to non-tour events if they can... Non-tour events are a great way to get people playing - make them all Hat tournaments for all I care, but at least have a mix of top and bottom teams, so that weaker teams get to play against better teams, and get to see top teams in action. I can think of 4 tournaments off hand that would be worth going to, just from the atmosphere... Red co-ed is always good, Kowpat 97 was stunning, and it is an outrage that Kowpat 98 had to be cancelled, Cam 98 was a great tournament from what I read, and Ross is just great... At the moment we are in a state where we don't have enough teams to split down into small subgroups, and we are too large for one tour, so the logical conclusion is to go to 2 tours, and play more non-tour events too. Cads From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Oct 9 16:28:41 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id QAA23137 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 16:07:27 +0100 (BST) Received: from crane.cf.ac.uk (crane.cf.ac.uk [131.251.0.45]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA23117 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 16:07:22 +0100 (BST) Received: from HUMSCF2S.CF.AC.UK by crane.cf.ac.uk with SMTP-LOC (PP); Fri, 9 Oct 1998 16:06:45 +0100 Received: from HUMSCF2S/SpoolDir by HUMSCF2S.CF.AC.UK (Mercury 1.43); 9 Oct 98 16:06:44 GMT0BST Received: from SpoolDir by HUMSCF2S (Mercury 1.43); 9 Oct 98 16:06:27 GMT0BST From: DAVID BARNARD To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 16:06:21 GMT0BST Subject: Trying to find people In-reply-to: <1A1AE5746E@fs1.art.man.ac.uk> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.54) Message-ID: <2072B5261C9@HUMSCF2S.CF.AC.UK> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hello everyone, I was wondering if someone could help me get contact phone numbers for the following people. Karl Mann Wayne Retter Larry Also asking the Catch boys - is there any catch players living in York (?) I seem to remember somebody did. If there is could you tell me who and give me there phone number. Cheers Dane Dave Barnard - Catch 22, No Frills & MTJAH @ 0411 691129 From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Oct 9 17:13:44 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id QAA04378 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 16:57:05 +0100 (BST) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA04324 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 16:56:58 +0100 (BST) Received: from [194.222.19.95] (helo=stures.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.03 #1) id 0zResk-00008t-00 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 15:55:06 +0000 Received: by stures.demon.co.uk with Microsoft Mail id <01BDF3A5.27A94500@stures.demon.co.uk>; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 16:52:09 +0100 Message-ID: <01BDF3A5.27A94500@stures.demon.co.uk> From: stures To: "'britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk'" Subject: RE: Spirit & the Rules Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 16:37:28 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id QAA04367 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk As we are currently having a chat about Spirit I was wondering what has happened to the SOTG trophy for Nationals, the Niall MacKenzie Memorial Trophy? This was donated to British Ultimate by Niall's parents after his tragic death. Would last year's winners of spirit please make sure that this is passed on to this year's winners. It is important for those of us who knew him. Many thanks. Max -----Original Message----- From: Ben Ravilious [SMTP:Ben.Ravilious@crispgroup.co.uk] Sent: 08 October 1998 16:42 To: 'Britdisc' Subject: Spirit & the Rules This will all end in tears. What I think would be useful (and has been suggested in previous years) is that we should somehow try to improve everyone's understanding of the rules of the game (and when to apply them according to SOTG). I know I'm still uncertain about some of the finer points and this sort of thing must be one of the most common sources of arguments on the pitch. All: "Great idea Ben, why dont you put together a simplified version of the rules which includes specifics about when calls are fair to make and when SOTG can be applied" Doh. Any offers/previous material/knowledge out there? There must be a Simon out there who can help us. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sat Oct 10 15:37:40 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id PAA26286 for britdisc-outgoing; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 15:24:05 +0100 (BST) Received: from icarus.dur.ac.uk (icarus.dur.ac.uk [129.234.1.2]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA26242 for ; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 15:23:44 +0100 (BST) Received: from mercury (mercury.dur.ac.uk [129.234.4.40]) by icarus.dur.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA07571; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 15:23:42 +0100 (BST) Received: from altair by mercury id ; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 15:23:41 +0100 Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 15:23:41 +0100 (BST) From: C C K McCollin To: BPeek85175@aol.com cc: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Re: Durham Ultimate In-Reply-To: <8b2549d8.3619fd67@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Dear Ben, please come to this year's first training sesh, could do with some experience!! - Sunday, 3pm Mary's Field. If you could please contact me (Nick) on 0191 - 384-3055, or pop in to see me 15 Church Street, if not look forward to seeing you on Sunday. Mary's field is up the road from the library/New Inn, on the right. If the weather is shit we're meeting in the New Inn. nick From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sat Oct 10 15:38:13 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id PAA26758 for britdisc-outgoing; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 15:30:00 +0100 (BST) Received: from icarus.dur.ac.uk (icarus.dur.ac.uk [129.234.1.2]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA26751 for ; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 15:29:57 +0100 (BST) Received: from mercury (mercury.dur.ac.uk [129.234.4.40]) by icarus.dur.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA07856 for ; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 15:29:54 +0100 (BST) Received: from altair by mercury id ; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 15:29:54 +0100 Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 15:29:53 +0100 (BST) From: C C K McCollin To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: beginner's tournaments Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Looking for information about any beginner's tournaments this term, like last years in Edinburgh. Also anybody interested in playing Ultimate in the Durham area please feel free to come along to Mary's Field, 3 pm on Sundays or conact me on: nicholas.robinson@durham.ac.uk or tel: 0191-384-3055 or Nick Robinson, 15 Church St., Durham, DH1 3DQ. cheers, nick. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sat Oct 10 16:36:16 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id QAA01178 for britdisc-outgoing; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 16:18:28 +0100 (BST) Received: from crane.cf.ac.uk (crane.cf.ac.uk [131.251.0.45]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA01168 for ; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 16:18:26 +0100 (BST) Received: from HUMSCF2S.CF.AC.UK by crane.cf.ac.uk with SMTP-LOC (PP); Sat, 10 Oct 1998 16:17:45 +0100 Received: from HUMSCF2S/SpoolDir by HUMSCF2S.CF.AC.UK (Mercury 1.43); 10 Oct 98 16:17:44 GMT0BST Received: from SpoolDir by HUMSCF2S (Mercury 1.43); 10 Oct 98 16:17:32 GMT0BST From: DAVID BARNARD To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 16:17:24 GMT0BST Subject: SW Indoor student qualifiers X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.54) Message-ID: <21F5BC61594@HUMSCF2S.CF.AC.UK> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk To all SW student teams, The date for the SW student indoors is confirmed for the 28th and 29th of November in Cardiff. Could all those teams in the SW that haven't got in touch with me so far do so. More information will follow (not on Britdisc, don't worry all those people who this has nothing to do with). The contact list is being completed now so all those who are yet to tell me there contact details do so asap. Dave Barnard - Student co-ordinator Dave Barnard - Catch 22, No Frills & MTJAH @ 0411 691129 From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sat Oct 10 17:43:37 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id RAA08485 for britdisc-outgoing; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 17:32:35 +0100 (BST) Received: from artemis.le.ac.uk (artemis.le.ac.uk [143.210.16.126]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA08480 for ; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 17:32:33 +0100 (BST) Received: from lupin.le.ac.uk ([143.210.22.22]) by artemis.le.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #3) for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk id 0zS1ye-0003c8-00; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 17:34:44 +0100 Received: from LUPIN/SpoolDir by lupin.le.ac.uk (Mercury 1.31); 10 Oct 98 17:33:52 +0100 (BST) Received: from SpoolDir by LUPIN (Mercury 1.31); 10 Oct 98 17:33:49 +0100 (BST) From: "K.M. Taylor" To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 17:33:46 +0100 (BST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: beginners tournaments X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.40) Message-ID: <6A53A44303@lupin.le.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk hi, I have only just resubscribed to britdisc after the summer and was wondering if any beginners tournaments are planned. Apologies to people organising tournaments who have already put out messages on britdisc but i missed them. Also are any teams in the midland region interested in organising friendlies, particularly the Bears or Purple Haze. If there are my e-mail is kmt2@le.ac.uk Dave Barnyard - as the new student co-ordinater have you got a list of contacts for student teams and if so could you put it out on Britdisc. Cheers. Kieran -Jesters From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Oct 12 07:30:31 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id HAA19424 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 07:15:56 +0100 (BST) Received: from praseodumium.btinternet.com (praseodumium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.82]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id HAA19419 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 07:15:54 +0100 (BST) Received: from mail.btinternet.com [195.99.59.238] by praseodumium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 1.70 #1) id 0zSbCt-0000yB-00; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 07:11:48 +0100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail and News for Macintosh - 1.1 (34) Subject: Women's Nationals From: Laura Pearce To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk CC: Tara Jewell <97315250@brookes.ac.uk> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 07:11:48 +0100 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk PLEASE CAN YOU PASS ON THIS INFORMATION TO ANY WOMEN PLAYERS WHO ARE NOT ON BRITDISC - THANKS! This weekend (17th and 18th) is Women's Nationals in Oxford. It is proposed to hold a meeting on Saturday after play has finished where the following issues/areas can be discussed. 1. World Clubs 1999 - update 2. Winter Practices for Women - dates, locations etc 3. GB Management - Please note this is NOT a chance to discuss bids, but to discuss how the post should be elected and what should happen. 4. A Women's Network If there are any other issues you feel need to be addressed, please bring them up either this week (preferably) or on Saturday. Laura Pearce From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Oct 12 07:58:18 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id HAA20960 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 07:47:03 +0100 (BST) Received: from gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (ralf@gem [137.205.227.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA20955 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 07:47:02 +0100 (BST) Received: (from ralf@localhost) by gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA21186 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 07:47:01 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 07:47:01 +0100 (BST) From: Ranulf Doswell Message-Id: <199810120647.HAA21186@gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: BFDF Events Reminder Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk British Flying Disc Federation Disc Events Diary ------------------------------------------------ The events list can also be found at http://www.dcs.warwick.ac.uk/~ralf/bfdf/ ---------- Saturday 17th October 1998 Women's Nationals (2 days) @ Oxford [Women's Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Tara Jewell Email 97315250@brookes.ac.uk Phone 01865 246158 Contact Emma-Jayne Slater Email Emma-Jayne.Slater@gartner.com Saturday 24th October 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Whitcombe, Dorset [Golf Handicap] Saturday 7th November 1998 BDGA Singles Matchplay (2 days) @ TBC [Golf] Contact Andy Lucey Email andy_lucey@cargill.com Phone 0181 767 6766 Saturday 21st November 1998 Student Indoor Midland Qualifiers (2 days) [Students' Indoor Ultimate] Contact Simon Weeks Address 74 Commonside Sheffeild S10 1GG Email gga95sew@sheffield.ac.uk Phone 0114 266 2304 Saturday 28th November 1998 Red Co-ed Indoors (2 days) POSTPONED @ Enderby Leisure Centre, Leicester. [Indoor Ultimate] Postponed until the new year. Contact Leicester Ultimate Club (Red) Address PO Box 1075 Leicester LE2 1YQ Email red@ultimateweb.co.uk Phone 0116 2559638 (Ben Ravilious) Saturday 5th June 1999 Date reserved (2 days) ---------------------------------------------------------- British Flying Disc Federation Disc Events Diary http://www.dcs.warwick.ac.uk/~ralf/bfdf/ Ranulf Doswell, ralf@dcs.warwick.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Oct 12 09:48:10 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id JAA03851 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 09:35:05 +0100 (BST) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA03832 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 09:35:02 +0100 (BST) Received: from [194.222.78.33] (helo=tayte.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.03 #1) id 0zSdRQ-0002Vi-00; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 08:34:57 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 17:55:30 +0100 To: "bravil@webleicester.co.uk" Cc: "'raf.freire@bristol.ac.uk'" , "'Britdisc'" From: Colin Smith Subject: Open GB Coach post? In-Reply-To: <01BDF22E.A55A0700.bravil@webleicester.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (16) Version 3.05 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk In message <01BDF22E.A55A0700.bravil@webleicester.co.uk>, Ben Ravilious writes >Two separate positions here: >Masters Co-ordinator (not Coach) has been left vacant although I think >Colin Smith from Kniggets (Kingston) is keen. I'll do it if I'm wanted. Can someone tell me what I do?? Colin -- Colin Smith Kingston University Ultimate From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Oct 12 09:48:44 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id JAA04557 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 09:39:18 +0100 (BST) Received: from mail-atm.lancs.ac.uk (mail-atm.lancs.ac.uk [194.80.32.55]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA04540 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 09:39:15 +0100 (BST) Received: from mail-atm.lancs.ac.uk (actually host localhost) by mail-atm.lancs.ac.uk with Local SMTP (PP); Mon, 12 Oct 1998 09:38:55 +0100 Received: from unixa.lancs.ac.uk (unixa.lancs.ac.uk [148.88.16.114]) by mail-atm.lancs.ac.uk with SpooMTA 1.23; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 09:38:55 +0000 Received: (from nurney@localhost) by unixa.lancs.ac.uk (8.8.4/8.6.12) id JAA13059 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 09:32:03 +0100 (BST) From: JOANNE NURNEY Message-Id: <199810120832.JAA13059@unixa.lancs.ac.uk> Subject: Calling John Purdie! To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 09:32:03 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk John, will you get in touch with me please. Thank you Joanne (or, alternatively, will someone give me John's email address?) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Oct 12 10:07:14 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id JAA03856 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 09:35:05 +0100 (BST) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA03836 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 09:35:03 +0100 (BST) Received: from [194.222.78.33] (helo=tayte.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.03 #1) id 0zSdRP-0002Vh-00 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 08:34:56 +0000 Message-ID: <9xga0QAT8jH28BsH@tate.co.uk> Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 17:51:31 +0100 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: Colin Smith Subject: The Quest for the Holy Grail MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (16) Version 3.05 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Just a couple of pointers to those who were confused by my first announcement about our tournament (24th/25th October). 1. It is indoors. 2. It is open to non-student teams. 3. It is Kingston-Upon-Thames in Surrey (near Wimbledon if that helps) 4. Yes we will be drinking beer. 5. Yes Carl Cox will be playing at our party (cost you an extra 4 quid) 6. We only have a few spaces left. 7. Yes this is the first time I've done this. Cheers Sick Boy -- Colin Smith Kingston University Ultimate e-mail: colin@tate.com Tel: 0181 942 8050 From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Oct 12 10:17:38 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id KAA12293 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 10:05:01 +0100 (BST) Received: from drawbridge.ascend.com (drawbridge.ascend.com [198.4.92.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA12222 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 10:04:51 +0100 (BST) Received: from ascend.com (fw-ext [198.4.92.5]) by drawbridge.ascend.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id CAA05924; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 02:04:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ascend.com by ascend.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id CAA21934; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 02:05:13 -0700 Received: from tinman.eng.ascend.com (tinman.eng.ascend.com [172.20.20.40]) by wopr.eng.ascend.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id CAA15980; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 02:04:47 -0700 Received: from awilson-pc by tinman.eng.ascend.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id CAA19851; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 02:04:11 -0700 Message-Id: <199810120904.CAA19851@tinman.eng.ascend.com> X-Sender: awilson@snoopy.eng.ascend.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 10:03:29 +0100 To: stures , "'britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk'" From: Andrew Wilson Subject: RE: Spirit & the Rules In-Reply-To: <01BDF3A5.27A94500@stures.demon.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk The Niall MacKenzie trophy was the spirit prize last time Wolverhampton Indoors was held (97). It was shared by Sneeekys and Flying Lims, and as far as I'm aware it's sitting on someone's (Possum?) mantlepiece in Edinburgh, where it's been for the last 4 years at least. I was not aware that this trophy was ever awarded for spirit at Nationals... but if it had been it'd be in Edinburgh since Sneeekys won spirit. I never knew Niall, but I share your sentiment that it is very important that he is not forgotten. Migs At 04:37 PM 10/9/98 , stures wrote: >As we are currently having a chat about Spirit I was wondering what has happened to the SOTG trophy for Nationals, the Niall MacKenzie Memorial Trophy? >This was donated to British Ultimate by Niall's parents after his tragic death. >Would last year's winners of spirit please make sure that this is passed on to this year's winners. >It is important for those of us who knew him. >Many thanks. >Max > >-----Original Message----- >From: Ben Ravilious [SMTP:Ben.Ravilious@crispgroup.co.uk] >Sent: 08 October 1998 16:42 >To: 'Britdisc' >Subject: Spirit & the Rules > >This will all end in tears. > >What I think would be useful (and has been suggested in previous years) is that we should somehow try to improve everyone's understanding of the rules of the game (and when to apply them according to SOTG). > >I know I'm still uncertain about some of the finer points and this sort of thing must be one of the most common sources of arguments on the pitch. > >All: "Great idea Ben, why dont you put together a simplified version of the rules which includes specifics about when calls are fair to make and when SOTG can be applied" > >Doh. > >Any offers/previous material/knowledge out there? There must be a Simon out there who can help us. > From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Oct 12 11:24:45 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id LAA29021 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 11:06:15 +0100 (BST) Received: from wadham.chem.ed.ac.uk (wadham.chem.ed.ac.uk [129.215.220.156]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA29009 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 11:06:13 +0100 (BST) Received: from wadham (wadham [129.215.220.156]) by wadham.chem.ed.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA28603 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 11:05:02 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <3621D44D.1556@chem.ed.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 11:05:01 +0100 From: Emma Beatty X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (X11; I; SunOS 5.4 sun4m) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Niall MacKenzie SOTG trophy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk To BD-ers at the moment the Niall MacKenzie memorial SOTG trophy is on my mantlepiece, Migs was right is has been in Edinburgh ever since the Wolverhampton tournament two years ago when Sneeeky's and the Flying Lims won it jointly at Wolverhampton. I'll pass it on to members of Sneeeky's that played in the tour. Has it always been a Nationals trophy? Emma From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Oct 12 11:49:03 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id LAA05198 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 11:29:07 +0100 (BST) Received: from postcard.KSCL.COM (postcard.kscl.com [194.159.98.2]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA05164 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 11:29:00 +0100 (BST) Received: by POSTCARD.kscl.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 11:30:17 +0100 Message-ID: From: Fraser Macrae To: "'Andrew Wilson'" Cc: "'BritDisc'" Subject: RE: Spirit & the Rules Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 11:30:16 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Yes, we have this safe and well in Edinburgh, lovingly polished, and on prominent display. Fraser Sneeeky's ---------- From: Andrew Wilson [SMTP:awilson@ascend.com] Sent: 12 October 1998 10:03 To: stures; 'britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk' Subject: RE: Spirit & the Rules The Niall MacKenzie trophy was the spirit prize last time Wolverhampton Indoors was held (97). It was shared by Sneeekys and Flying Lims, and as far as I'm aware it's sitting on someone's (Possum?) mantlepiece in Edinburgh, where it's been for the last 4 years at least. I was not aware that this trophy was ever awarded for spirit at Nationals... but if it had been it'd be in Edinburgh since Sneeekys won spirit. I never knew Niall, but I share your sentiment that it is very important that he is not forgotten. Migs At 04:37 PM 10/9/98 , stures wrote: >As we are currently having a chat about Spirit I was wondering what has happened to the SOTG trophy for Nationals, the Niall MacKenzie Memorial Trophy? >This was donated to British Ultimate by Niall's parents after his tragic death. >Would last year's winners of spirit please make sure that this is passed on to this year's winners. >It is important for those of us who knew him. >Many thanks. >Max > >-----Original Message----- >From: Ben Ravilious [SMTP:Ben.Ravilious@crispgroup.co.uk] >Sent: 08 October 1998 16:42 >To: 'Britdisc' >Subject: Spirit & the Rules > >This will all end in tears. > >What I think would be useful (and has been suggested in previous years) is that we should somehow try to improve everyone's understanding of the rules of the game (and when to apply them according to SOTG). > >I know I'm still uncertain about some of the finer points and this sort of thing must be one of the most common sources of arguments on the pitch. > >All: "Great idea Ben, why dont you put together a simplified version of the rules which includes specifics about when calls are fair to make and when SOTG can be applied" > >Doh. > >Any offers/previous material/knowledge out there? There must be a Simon out there who can help us. > From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Oct 12 11:51:19 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id LAA06352 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 11:32:37 +0100 (BST) Received: from metis.salford.ac.uk (metis.salford.ac.uk [146.87.232.15]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA06333 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 11:32:35 +0100 (BST) From: M.Hinkins@biosci.salford.ac.uk Received: (qmail 21709 invoked by alias); 12 Oct 1998 10:32:34 -0000 Message-ID: <19981012103234.21708.qmail@metis.salford.ac.uk> Received: (qmail 18297 invoked from network); 12 Oct 1998 10:30:55 -0000 Received: from peel-099.salford.ac.uk (HELO Unknown) (146.87.254.99) by metis.salford.ac.uk with SMTP; 12 Oct 1998 10:30:55 -0000 Comments: Authenticated sender is Organization: University of Salford To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 11:31:27 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Famous 22's X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42) Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi everyone, I recently resubscribed to Britdisc and was intrigued by some statistic about the side-arm being introduced to the game in 1922. Whilst remaining dubious about the validity of this claim, I can however vouch that the following list of 22 22's are all genuine certified fact (especially the last one). Catch 22 - Groundbreaking anti-war satire by Joseph Heller / Ex-Leeds University Ultimate team. 22 - The room Mrs. "I want to see the sea" Roberts stayed in at Fawlty Towers. 22 minutes - The duration of the world's first hot air balloon flight. 22 degrees Centigrade - The temperature of water at which perfect neutrality is attained. 22 July, 1922 - The International Tree Foundation is formed. 22 - The number of illegitimate children born to Henry the first. 22 - The percentage of books in the world written in English. 22 days - The shortest term in office of any English prime minister (the First Duke of Wellington). 22 - The number of test centuries scored by Walter Hammond. 22 months - The gestation period of the Asian elephant. 22 days - The duration of the first powered crossing of the Atlantic. 22 - The number of degrees of freedom in the human hand. 22 "Positions in a one night stand" - Prince, "Get Off." 22 minutes - The duration of the fastest ever Wimbledon final (Dorothy Chambers). 22 yards - The length of a cricket wicket. 22 - The number of ministers in the Cabinet. 22 - The number of cars on the current Formula One starting grid. 1822 - Joshua Tetley starts brewing (Wahay!). 22 - The lowest possible winning score in snooker. 22 - The number on Joey's favourite football top ("Friends"). 22 - The number of species of Tsetse fly. 22 - The number of pounds owed by Colin Wagstaff (U.T.I.) to Mango and Larry over a bet made on who would win Nationals this season. Any additions gratefully accepted, Cheers, The Gaffer (Catch 22) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Oct 12 12:49:40 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id MAA26422 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 12:42:20 +0100 (BST) Received: from beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk (beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.129.138]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA26408 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 12:42:17 +0100 (BST) Received: from cedar.sucs.soton.ac.uk (cedar.sucs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.128.92]) by beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.8/relay-02) with ESMTP id MAA22943 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 12:42:15 +0100 (BST) Received: from b62a-01.sucs.soton.ac.uk (b62a-01.sucs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.237.129]) by cedar.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.8/relay-02) with SMTP id MAA02648 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 12:39:40 +0100 (BST) From: Suze Reply-To: scp195@soton.ac.uk To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Calling all women Message-ID: Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 12:40:50 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: Simeon for Windows Version 4.1.4 Build (40) X-Authentication: none MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi female persons and blokes who felt like another read, If there are any of you who want to play at nationals this weekend but are lacking a team, Southampton University could do with a couple more players and would grateful for your help. Please email me if interested And to those blokes who are reading this too, if you know of any women who would like to pick up with us please ask them to get in touch with me! Cheers Suze (Skunks) ---------------------- Suze scp195@soton.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Oct 12 12:50:01 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id MAA22360 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 12:29:52 +0100 (BST) Received: from hotmail.com (f148.hotmail.com [207.82.251.27]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA22350 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 12:29:49 +0100 (BST) Received: (qmail 10015 invoked by uid 0); 12 Oct 1998 11:29:17 -0000 Message-ID: <19981012112917.10014.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 134.36.142.36 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 04:29:17 PDT X-Originating-IP: [134.36.142.36] From: "Jester Bit" To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk, M.Hinkins@biosci.salford.ac.uk Subject: Re: Famous 22's Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 04:29:17 PDT Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk 22 The number of times statos should be dead legged With humor All the bester Jest*r O | /| / | / | / | / \_____ ____/ \ \ / /\_______\ \ | / x - \ | \ / \ o /| \ | | \__/ | \ | O \ | \| \_| | O ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Oct 12 14:26:25 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id OAA19276 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 14:09:05 +0100 (BST) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA19248 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 14:09:03 +0100 (BST) Received: from [158.152.203.174] (helo=[158.152.203.174]) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.03 #1) id 0zShig-0004Ru-00 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 13:09:02 +0000 Subject: Re: Famous 22's Date: Mon, 12 Oct 98 14:07:38 +0100 x-sender: ultimatum@pop3.demon.co.uk x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: Paul Hurt To: "BritDisc" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Message-Id: Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk >22 "Positions in a one night stand" - Prince, "Get Off." Sorry, apparently there's "23 positions in a one night stand". I checked (though sadly, without doing a practical). Paul --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Hurt Editor, Ultimatum Magazine, London, England editor@ultimatum.demon.co.uk Visit Ultimatum Online... http://www.ultimatum.demon.co.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Oct 12 19:22:19 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id TAA04611 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 19:12:53 +0100 (BST) Received: from hotmail.com (f42.hotmail.com [207.82.250.53]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA04587 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 19:12:48 +0100 (BST) Received: (qmail 993 invoked by uid 0); 12 Oct 1998 18:11:50 -0000 Message-ID: <19981012181150.990.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 129.11.16.1 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 11:11:48 PDT X-Originating-IP: [129.11.16.1] From: "bob kumar" To: Britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 11:11:48 PDT Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk HONG KONG 7's The following teams have guaranteed their place at the tourney : Janitors (2 teams) Mohawks Mud Culture Jedi (3 Teams) Leeds Old Boys Chevron (2 teams) NFCC Superfly A number of other teams have expressed interest, as there are now only 4 places left it will be on first come basis. Superfly can you let us know if your coming Friday or Saturday?? Cheers Janitors ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Oct 12 19:31:20 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id TAA02616 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 19:01:16 +0100 (BST) Received: from hotmail.com (f123.hotmail.com [207.82.251.2]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA02597 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 19:01:13 +0100 (BST) Received: (qmail 9863 invoked by uid 0); 12 Oct 1998 18:00:41 -0000 Message-ID: <19981012180041.9862.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 129.11.16.1 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 11:00:41 PDT X-Originating-IP: [129.11.16.1] From: "bob kumar" To: Britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 11:00:41 PDT Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk THE ULTIMATE FIVE - A - SIDE CHALLENGE Well you may have talked the talk, but now its time to walk the walk. Yes the first ultimate five-a-side footy challenge is to take place on 28th November (diff from earlier date) in Leeds at the University Sports Centre. If your teams got the bottle to put away the disc and remember your national sport get your entry in NOW!!!!! For this tournament to happen we need at least 8 teams and the pitches have to be confirmed by October 26th, so we need 8 confirmations by this date, failure to get the required no. will force the tourney to be cancelled, so mail us back with your teams entry and lets see who willing to put their money where their mouth is!! Cost : £50 Contact - Arun/Rick 0113 2249680 ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Oct 12 21:59:56 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id VAA24237 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 21:46:31 +0100 (BST) Received: from mail-gw1.webleicester.net (mailgate.webleicester.co.uk [195.146.160.12]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA24230 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 21:46:29 +0100 (BST) Received: from pii266 (pool-pri1-016.webleicester.co.uk [195.146.164.16]) by mail-gw1.webleicester.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id VAA20439 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 21:44:25 +0100 (BST) Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 21:50:49 +0100 Message-ID: <01BDF62A.5FFCBC20.bravil@webleicester.co.uk> From: Ben Ravilious Reply-To: "bravil@webleicester.co.uk" To: "'Britdisc'" Subject: USA player @ Birmingham Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 21:49:08 +0100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Just recieved this email. Can anyone help this guy out? The Birmingham Uni. team seem to have dissappeared off the face of the earth. What about you SlipDisc folks? Ben -----Original Message----- From: Gabe Smoley [mailto:the_5th_beatle@hotmail.com] Sent: 07 October 1998 18:14 To: BUF Subject: BUF Web Page Enquiry Name: Gabe Smoley Address1: 36 Teazel Avenue Address2: Bournville, Birmingham Post Code: B30 1L2 Telephone: Fax: Message: Greetings, i was wondering if you could help me out. i am attending westhill college in birmingham this year as part of and exchange program with an American university (Univ. of Minnesota-Duluth). i would really like to play some ultimate while im over here and i have heard that the univ. of birmingham has a team. however, they are not listed as part of the BUF. is there anyone i can contact for more info on this matter. drop me a line if you do. thanx. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Oct 13 10:54:02 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id KAA02664 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 10:45:08 +0100 (BST) Received: from shrimp.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (ralf@shrimp [137.205.227.130]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA02653 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 10:45:05 +0100 (BST) Received: (from ralf@localhost) by shrimp.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id KAA14904 for britdisc@csv; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 10:45:42 +0100 (BST) From: Ralf Message-Id: <199810130945.KAA14904@shrimp.dcs.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: BOUNCE britdisc@warwick.ac.uk: Header field too long (>1024) (fwd) To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 10:45:41 +0100 (BST) Reply-To: COLIN.WAGSTAFF@TRADEINDEMNITY.btX400.co.uk X-Quote: Productivity is in the eye of the beholder. X-Quote: The closest to perfection a person ever comes is when they fill out a job application. X-Freedom: 99 days... X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL35 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Subject: RE:Re: Tour 99 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Jon Good wrote: >If they want these they can go to bigger tournaments with some European teams >as, generally speaking, players at these teams have the time and cash to >go to them. And we do goto to European tournaments to play at higher levels, but surely you don't want us to not play in the tour and only play in foreign tournaments, which is an idea i have heard banded around through a couple of 'top' teams. This is because we definitely do not have more time (work, exams, career, family, house etc.), yes we may have more money but most of us work very hard long hours for the pleasure. The time we spend playing Ultimate is crucial time and we need to play high standard teams most of that time, else many players would stop playing and the standard of Ultimate in the UK would fall even further behind that of the rest of the world. Cue:- 'Huge discussion on how GB teams can do better at World Championships' Its all about priorities and we seem to have not defined them clear enough, do we want to see GB finishing in the 'second' division of World Ultimate or do we wish to see us really acheiving what we can. We do have some really talented players in this country, but it seems these never get it together to represent GB. In my opinion it seems that most players are far more committed to playing for their club than their country. There is no problem with this as long as it is acknowledged. The Shotgun team of 1997 at WUCC in Vancouver came 18th and really made an impression on the World scene. GB teams consistantly fail to achieve what a GB team could. This needs to be adressed. We all want the best players to represent the country but this as has been shown is not always possible. In light of this the current system of choosing the GB team needs changing. We have to find out what is the BUF's prioity, before any submission for GB manager/coach etc can be made. Should we send the Tour Winners/Nationals Winners/Best performing team at the WUCC of the previous year/Should it be completely open with fulls trials/Should we combine the top 2/3/4/5 etc teams? Practice is the key, if a GB team can practice frequently and regularly like a club side we may be able to achieve more. Please lets discuss this, as Rafi said this is very important and you would expect more on BD. Colin. UTI. ----- End of forwarded message from owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk ----- ____ ____ _ _ ____ .----------------------------------------. _\__ \ _\__ \ / \ / \\__/ | Ranulf Doswell | / \_/ /_ / \_/ \ / / / /___ | Department of Computer Science | \ __ \\ __ \\ \ _\ \\_/ |University of Warwick, COVENTRY, CV4 7AL| \ \ \ \\ \ \ \\ \__/ \\ \ | Phone: 01203 523296 Fax: 01203 525714 | \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \______/ \_/ `----------------------------------------' From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Oct 13 10:54:24 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id KAA02124 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 10:43:07 +0100 (BST) Received: from shrimp.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (ralf@shrimp [137.205.227.130]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA02113 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 10:43:05 +0100 (BST) Received: (from ralf@localhost) by shrimp.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id KAA14892 for britdisc@csv; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 10:43:42 +0100 (BST) From: Ralf Message-Id: <199810130943.KAA14892@shrimp.dcs.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Looking for South London Ultimate To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 10:43:41 +0100 (BST) Reply-To: james.smalley@mazars-nr.co.uk X-Quote: Productivity is in the eye of the beholder. X-Quote: The closest to perfection a person ever comes is when they fill out a job application. X-Freedom: 99 days... X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL35 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 12:30:02 +0100 (BST) From: Miss S Kirwan Subject: Looking for South London Ultimate Spider from Whiplash has recently moved to Sutton (South London/Surrey) and is looking for practices in the area. He has email at work but is not allowed to subscribe to any mailing list, so if anyone has any information, can they email him direct: james.smalley@mazars-nr.co.uk Cheers, Sarah (Bears) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Oct 13 12:08:53 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id LAA21859 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 11:53:05 +0100 (BST) Received: from na-ex-bridge2.nai.com (na-ex-bridge2.nai.com [208.228.228.65]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA21787 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 11:52:55 +0100 (BST) Received: by na-ex-bridge2.nai.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 03:48:34 -0700 Message-ID: <178EA92097A9D111AD0900A0C99B4EFC4F2473@UK-EXCHANGE1> From: "Oakley, Caedman" To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Discussion on World Ultimate Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 03:44:25 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk IMNSHO Practice and constantly playing together is the only way that a national team can do well. This is why the US sends their best club team to Worlds. So, not knowing quite how it works, how does this grab people: 1 - Identify the players that have the dedication to - and would like to -play for GB. 2 - Identify which of these players can afford to play for GB (AFAIK there are no subsidies at the moment please correct me if I am wrong.) 3 - Select 2 teams an A team and a B team, forming 1 squad. 4 - Train as many weekends as possible, (midweek can be difficult) 5 - During tournament season take the GB team as a club to European tournaments (inc. British Open). Of the top of my head I think that this could be about 1 every 6 weeks from end of Feb to end of Oct. This club team would be formed as a subset of A+B, as there will indoubtedly be other commitments, injury etc. 6 - Play friendlies against other top teams in the country (e.g let us assume that UTI and Catch form the basis of the GB team: Play against Druids, Chevvy etc.) on a regular basis. Point 6 has the added advantage that the teams that they play against will also benefit, and I am certain that there are players in the lower seeded teams that would like to join in on this, forming a GB Sparring team. There is probably already a requirement that n training sessions must be attended, so that is already covered. Most people that are willing to play for their country know the sacrifice that they have to make to be at that level, and are quite willing to give up 9 out of 10 weekends, and if it is organised right, the other teams I am sure will welcome the chance to play hard games (can even use them for Tour practice). Cads - hoping that this doesn't seem too much like sticking an oar in where it ain't wanted. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Oct 13 12:10:44 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id MAA24725 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 12:04:18 +0100 (BST) Received: from aisle (aisle.tesco.net [194.73.73.167]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA24704 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 12:04:15 +0100 (BST) Received: from steve [62.172.23.96] by aisle with smtp (Exim 1.70 #1) id 0zT2F6-00078T-00; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 12:03:52 +0100 Message-ID: <002201bdf699$4fa0a840$6017ac3e@steve> From: "Steve Shipley" To: "bob kumar" , Subject: UTI enter five-a-side football Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 12:04:54 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk THE ULTIMATE FIVE - A - SIDE CHALLENGE - Leeds I'd just like to confirm that UTI will be there to play in what is the spititual home of the beautiful game. Steve Shipley (UTI) PS Once all of the runners are in, the bookmakers will be taking bets on the tournament runners-up. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Oct 13 12:50:15 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id MAA04046 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 12:33:58 +0100 (BST) Received: from otto.crispgroup.co.uk (crispgroup.demon.co.uk [158.152.87.155]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA04002 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 12:33:53 +0100 (BST) Received: from [129.1.1.241] by otto.crispgroup.co.uk (NTMail 3.03.0017/1.aia2) with ESMTP id ya026934 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 11:31:56 +0100 Received: from [129.1.11.56] by homer.crispgroup.co.uk (NTMail 3.03.0012/1.aia2) with ESMTP id ja031547 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 11:30:29 +0100 Received: by raviben810.crispgroup.co.uk with Microsoft Mail id <01BDF69E.5461C080@raviben810.crispgroup.co.uk>; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 11:40:51 +0100 Message-ID: <01BDF69E.5461C080@raviben810.crispgroup.co.uk> From: Ben Ravilious To: "'Britdisc'" Subject: GB teams Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 11:40:50 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Info: Crisp Computing Mail Server Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id MAA04013 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk [BR] Glad you started this topic Colin. Its crying out for a really huge discussion. As was stated at the recent EGM, both the womens and open coach positions are up for grabs. As you will have read, the women will be having a discussion about this next weekend at the nationals. I have heard rumours/ideas floating around about changing the whole way we pick our national teams. Could I ask that now would be a good time for people to air these suggestions. In both Womens & Open divisions there seems to be a certain amount of secrecy regarding peoples opinions on the National Teams (perhaps because people don't want to jeopardise they're chances of selection?!). Could I suggest that open and frank discussion is miles better than plotting some sort of Coup D'etat! I think our current coaches ego's are big enough to take criticism - if that is what you have for them. A very valid point which Colin made is that the role of the coachs might need to change if the selection process were to alter. Point taken Colin! So... let the people speak.... Ben BUF Secretary GB Open Team No-hoper Cue:- 'Huge discussion on how GB teams can do better at World Championships' Its all about priorities and we seem to have not defined them clear enough, do we want to see GB finishing in the 'second' division of World Ultimate or do we wish to see us really acheiving what we can. We do have some really talented players in this country, but it seems these never get it together to represent GB. In my opinion it seems that most players are far more committed to playing for their club than their country. There is no problem with this as long as it is acknowledged. The Shotgun team of 1997 at WUCC in Vancouver came 18th and really made an impression on the World scene. GB teams consistantly fail to achieve what a GB team could. This needs to be adressed. We all want the best players to represent the country but this as has been shown is not always possible. In light of this the current system of choosing the GB team needs changing. We have to find out what is the BUF's prioity, before any submission for GB manager/coach etc can be made. Should we send the Tour Winners/Nationals Winners/Best performing team at the WUCC of the previous year/Should it be completely open with fulls trials/Should we combine the top 2/3/4/5 etc teams? Practice is the key, if a GB team can practice frequently and regularly like a club side we may be able to achieve more. Please lets discuss this, as Rafi said this is very important and you would expect more on BD. Colin. UTI. ----- End of forwarded message from owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk ----- ____ ____ _ _ ____ .----------------------------------------. _\__ \ _\__ \ / \ / \\__/ | Ranulf Doswell | / \_/ /_ / \_/ \ / / / /___ | Department of Computer Science | \ __ \\ __ \\ \ _\ \\_/ |University of Warwick, COVENTRY, CV4 7AL| \ \ \ \\ \ \ \\ \__/ \\ \ | Phone: 01203 523296 Fax: 01203 525714 | \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \______/ \_/ `----------------------------------------' From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Oct 13 12:53:50 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id MAA07512 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 12:47:39 +0100 (BST) Received: from ursa.cns.umist.ac.uk (ursa.cns.umist.ac.uk [130.88.210.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA07490 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 12:47:36 +0100 (BST) Received: from ccg.acu.man.ac.uk ([130.88.17.200]) by ursa.cns.umist.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.92 #2) id 0zT2vP-0005Vs-00; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 12:47:36 +0100 Received: from ccMail by ccg.acu.man.ac.uk (ccMail Link to SMTP R6.00.02) id AA908279251; Tue, 13 Oct 98 12:47:34 GMT Message-Id: <9810139082.AA908279251@ccg.acu.man.ac.uk> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R6.00.02 Date: Tue, 13 Oct 98 12:46:40 GMT From: "Rob Mitchell" To: , Subject: RE: Discussion on World Ultimate MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk > 6 - Play friendlies against other top teams in the country (e.g let us > assume that UTI and Catch form the basis of the GB team: Play against > Druids, Chevvy etc.) on a regular basis. > > Point 6 has the added advantage that the teams that they play > against will > also benefit, and I am certain that there are players in the > lower seeded > teams that would like to join in on this, forming a GB Sparring team. Thanks Cads, but Chevron benefitted more this year by having 5 players selected for the GB Open team who could come back from World Championships and use the experience to help raise the standard of our team. As for Colin's proposal, which I note has shifted slightly in emphasis from 'Let's send our National Champions' to 'Let's send either our National Champions or the Tour Champions'; welcome back to the bad old days. One team (National Champions) goes to represent GB every year, thus hogging all the experience for themselves and therefore impoverishing other teams, before coming back and kicking UTI's arse all over the field. Players who want to play at a higher level then have to join Catch 22 and that's that, British Ultimate up Shotgun Creek without a paddle once more. cheers guys Rob Chevron Action Flash From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Oct 13 13:28:36 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id NAA15054 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 13:14:44 +0100 (BST) Received: from brookes.ac.uk (csmail.brookes.ac.uk [161.73.1.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA15046 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 13:14:42 +0100 (BST) Received: from 97315250 by brookes.ac.uk (8.8.7/) id NAA17132; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 13:14:42 +0100 (BST) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 13:14:42 +0100 (BST) From: jewell tara s <97315250@brookes.ac.uk> Message-Id: <199810131214.NAA17132@brookes.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Brookes Windows Client ver. 4.2b To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: details for women's nationals Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk To: Bliss, Twin Peaks, Bears, WIB, Leeds, Fierce, Horrors, Whoremoan (Skunks). Yet to pay: Organics/Superfly, Sheffield/Mohawks Maps and B&B details are being sent out to team contacts tonight. It is at the same venue as the Women's indoor tournament at Headington Girls School if you can remember the directions. The school have asked that everybody wear hockey/football boots - no trainers allowed (they think trainers muck up a pitch more than hockey boots?!) Can you let any beginners on your team know. Captains meeting is at 9am on Saturday morning, games will start at 9.30. I will try and let the teams on first game know before Saturday, but I will not be doing the scheduling until all teams have paid. Twin Peaks, WIB and Leeds have asked for floor space so they will get first priority. If you want to guarantee somewhere to stay before Saturday, please book a B&B. Generally though, if we can not accommodate everybody who needs space there are plenty of B&B's in Oxford so it should not be a problem to book on Saturday if necessary - but please do not hold me to that! See you at the weekend, Tara From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Oct 13 13:30:10 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id NAA14772 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 13:13:34 +0100 (BST) Received: from na-ex-bridge2.nai.com (na-ex-bridge2.nai.com [208.228.228.65]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA14670 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 13:13:13 +0100 (BST) Received: by na-ex-bridge2.nai.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 05:08:47 -0700 Message-ID: <178EA92097A9D111AD0900A0C99B4EFC5B6A45@UK-EXCHANGE1> From: "Oakley, Caedman" To: Rob Mitchell , britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: RE: Discussion on World Ultimate Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 05:07:24 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk >> 6 - Play friendlies against other top teams in the country (e.g let us >> assume that UTI and Catch form the basis of the GB team: Play against >> Druids, Chevvy etc.) on a regular basis. >> >> Point 6 has the added advantage that the teams that they play >> against will >> also benefit, and I am certain that there are players in the >> lower seeded >> teams that would like to join in on this, forming a GB Sparring team. >Thanks Cads, but Chevron benefitted more this year by having 5 players selected >for the GB Open team who could come back from World Championships and use the >experience to help raise the standard of our team. I know, but people who did NOT get any of their players selected don't have that luxury. What I was doing was making a hypothetical assumption, I did not mean to disparage _any_ team's members. What I was trying to do was suggest a way in which the knowledge that comes from training constantly and practicing constantly at a high level could filter down to those without GB squad members - e.g. First Touch (my own team) and beyond. AND also provide the GB team with _quality_ sparring when Internationals can't be played. If clubs can get to play regularly against the National team (which in turn is playing regularly against International competition and also training all the time), surely that will help in the future for members of those clubs to become future GB stars??? Hope that is clearer From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Oct 13 14:24:06 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id OAA29602 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 14:07:28 +0100 (BST) Received: from tgis.co.uk (galahad.tgis.co.uk [195.188.4.6]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA29561 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 14:07:21 +0100 (BST) Received: from syscap.com (p008.5399-3.saturn.ispc.net [212.46.128.148]) by tgis.co.uk (8.8.7/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA29123 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 14:07:15 +0100 Posted-Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 14:07:15 +0100 Received: from [195.188.6.81] by syscap.com Tue, 13 Oct 98 13:55:45 +0100 X-Sender: pharvey@195.188.6.1 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 1 (Highest) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 14:06:42 +0100 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: pharvey@syscap.com (Peter Harvey) Subject: RE: Discussion on World Ultimate Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk >British Ultimate up Shotgun >Creek without a paddle once more. > >Rob >Chevron Action Flash Uncalled for old chap. I recall that we took many a young whippersnapper under our wing, taught them a few tricks (e.g. our 'O') then sent them back (OK they split..) to their kin and watched them reap the benefits. May your socks rot. Harv Shotgun Wedding (divorced) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Oct 13 14:46:37 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id OAA06703 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 14:33:38 +0100 (BST) Received: from firewall2.lehman.com (firewall2.Lehman.COM [192.147.65.83]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA06632 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 14:33:22 +0100 (BST) Received: from relay.lehman.com by firewall2.lehman.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id JAA19273; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 09:33:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cmgrelay1.messaging-svcs.lehman.com by relay.lehman.com (4.1/LB-0.6) id AA04839; Tue, 13 Oct 98 09:32:35 EDT Received: from lonadminsyb1.lonadmin2.lehman.com by cmgrelay1.messaging-svcs.lehman.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA16799; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 09:32:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from exlon05.lehman.com by lonadminsyb1.lonadmin2.lehman.com (8.9.1/8.8.5) id OAA16860; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 14:31:21 +0100 (BST) Received: by exlon05.lonserv3.lehman.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id <4T0NBLR4>; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 14:32:35 +0100 Message-Id: <219065FBE138D211A37400805FB7578A98A6@exlon05.lonserv3.lehman.com> From: "Flores, Aram" To: "'Rob Mitchell'" , Caedman_Oakley@nai.com, britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: RE: Discussion on World Ultimate Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 14:32:32 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk A Message from ShotGone > -----Original Message----- > From: Rob Mitchell [SMTP:admrwm@ccg.acu.man.ac.uk] > > As for Colin's proposal, which I note has shifted slightly in emphasis > from > 'Let's send our National Champions' to 'Let's send either our National > Champions > or the Tour Champions'; welcome back to the bad old days. One team > (National > Champions) goes to represent GB every year, thus hogging all the > experience for > themselves and therefore impoverishing other teams, before coming back and > kicking UTI's arse all over the field. Players who want to play at a > higher > level then have to join Catch 22 and that's that, British Ultimate up > Shotgun > Creek without a paddle once more. > > cheers guys > > Rob > Chevron Action Flash > I am not normally a contributor to BD, but seeing my retired (sadly) team incorrectly maligned has sparked me into action. In the 7 years I have been here neither Hombres or Shotgun represented "GB" at Worlds. In fact, we only had one full time member of our team in the GB management structure during that time (and only for about a year). In addition, some people would argue that Shotgun players did not play a big enough part in the GB team (either as players or "management"), but that is a whole different discussion. While we did manage to gain a lot of international experience, it was because we went to tournaments out of the country (SHOCK) as a club team! Also in our own (admittedly non-conformist) way we did contribute to the development of British Ultimate. Just look at the number of players on Catch and UTI that either practised or played regularly with Shotgun last year. Now, I am not a supporter of sending the National Champs to Worlds, I do think players need to practise more regularly if the GB squad is going to succeed. I can assure you that all the major club teams in the US train at least 4 days a week in the run up to Nationals, something even Shotgun never came close to. Aram - ShotGone From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Oct 13 14:47:16 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id OAA09935 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 14:44:49 +0100 (BST) Received: from ursa.cns.umist.ac.uk (ursa.cns.umist.ac.uk [130.88.210.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA09916 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 14:44:47 +0100 (BST) Received: from ccg.acu.man.ac.uk ([130.88.17.200]) by ursa.cns.umist.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.92 #2) id 0zT4kh-0004ah-00; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 14:44:40 +0100 Received: from ccMail by ccg.acu.man.ac.uk (ccMail Link to SMTP R6.00.02) id AA908286274; Tue, 13 Oct 98 14:44:39 GMT Message-Id: <9810139082.AA908286274@ccg.acu.man.ac.uk> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R6.00.02 Date: Tue, 13 Oct 98 14:44:27 GMT From: "Rob Mitchell" To: , Subject: RE: Discussion on World Ultimate MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk > >British Ultimate up Shotgun > >Creek without a paddle once more. > > > >Rob > >Chevron Action Flash > Uncalled for old chap. I recall that we took many a young > whippersnapper under > our wing, taught them a few tricks (e.g. our 'O') then sent > them back (OK they > split..) to their kin and watched them reap the benefits. Fair point, taken like a man. I was alluding more to the phenomenon of the best players gravitating towards the best team in order to get high class international competition. Happy to acknowledge that Shotgun did the community spirited thing with the youngsters last year, and partly because you did we now have a relatively healthy (but delicately balanced) situation at the top of British Ultimate, with two or three teams able to compete for honours, something we have not had for many years. It would be a shame to tip the balance in one direction or the other. > May your socks rot. May your insoles absorb. > Harv > Shotgun Wedding (divorced) Rob Chevron Action Flash (available for counselling) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Oct 13 15:14:13 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id OAA14419 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 14:58:48 +0100 (BST) Received: from ursa.cns.umist.ac.uk (ursa.cns.umist.ac.uk [130.88.210.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA14372 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 14:58:39 +0100 (BST) Received: from ccg.acu.man.ac.uk ([130.88.17.200]) by ursa.cns.umist.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.92 #2) for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk id 0zT4yC-0005Ze-00; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 14:58:37 +0100 Received: from ccMail by ccg.acu.man.ac.uk (ccMail Link to SMTP R6.00.02) id AA908287114; Tue, 13 Oct 98 14:58:35 GMT Message-Id: <9810139082.AA908287114@ccg.acu.man.ac.uk> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R6.00.02 Date: Tue, 13 Oct 98 14:57:30 GMT From: "Rob Mitchell" To: Subject: RE: Hey, lay off Shotgun, okay? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk > A Message from ShotGone [snip] > Aram - ShotGone enough already. I wished to use the phrase 'up shit creek without a paddle' to recall a time when one club team dominated British Ultimate. Since that team happened to be Shotgun, I used the word 'Shotgun' as an alternative to 'shit'. Mere playfulness. I love Shotgun, you love Shotgun, we all love Shotgun. Let's have a group hug and move on. Please? Rob Chevron Action Flash From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Oct 13 15:17:28 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id PAA16227 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 15:04:54 +0100 (BST) Received: from polaris.bmpddb.com (mailhost.bmpddb.com [193.130.32.70]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA16205 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 15:04:48 +0100 (BST) Received: by POLARIS with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id <44QYVDNZ>; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 15:04:06 +0100 Message-ID: From: David Trovell To: "'Ben Ravilious'" , "'Britdisc'" Subject: RE: GB teams Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 15:04:00 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk OK, I'll kick it off. I think this needs to be said in public as so many people have mentioned it privately both this year and last. I don't think that GB benefited from having a player-coach. In order to get the best from the squad, a coach/manager and a separate player-captain may be a better idea. I think that both Simon and Harry did a good job, but at times it is too much to ask people who are playing to make all the subbing and tactical decisions. Two examples spring to mind; 1) final game 1998. Certain players only playing 2 or 3 points per half when they were fresh and on form (Duncan and Richie) whilst others were playing on empty. 2) GB vs Sweden 1997. With both coaches and the 'best 7' on for 5 or 6 crucial points in a row, there was no-one to say "hey, this is working - try something else" I don't mean to put noses out of joint with this but so many people have mentioned it to me and one or two have even dropped out of GB because of this issue. So, nominations please for 1) GB Manager (non-playing) 2) GB Captain both of which should be involved in coaching responsibilities and team selection. Let's hear some other views. Dave > -----Original Message----- > From: Ben Ravilious [SMTP:Ben.Ravilious@crispgroup.co.uk] > Sent: 13 October 1998 11:41 > To: 'Britdisc' > Subject: GB teams > > [BR] Glad you started this topic Colin. Its crying out for a really huge > discussion. > > As was stated at the recent EGM, both the womens and open coach positions > are up for grabs. As you will have read, the women will be having a > discussion about this next weekend at the nationals. > > I have heard rumours/ideas floating around about changing the whole way we > pick our national teams. Could I ask that now would be a good time for > people to air these suggestions. > > In both Womens & Open divisions there seems to be a certain amount of > secrecy regarding peoples opinions on the National Teams (perhaps because > people don't want to jeopardise they're chances of selection?!). Could I > suggest that open and frank discussion is miles better than plotting some > sort of Coup D'etat! I think our current coaches ego's are big enough to > take criticism - if that is what you have for them. > > A very valid point which Colin made is that the role of the coachs might > need to change if the selection process were to alter. Point taken Colin! > > So... let the people speak.... > > Ben > BUF Secretary > GB Open Team No-hoper > > > Cue:- 'Huge discussion on how GB teams can do better at World > Championships' > > Its all about priorities and we seem to have not defined them clear > enough, do > we want to see GB finishing in the 'second' division of World Ultimate or > do we > wish to see us really acheiving what we can. We do have some really > talented > players in this country, but it seems these never get it together to > represent > GB. In my opinion it seems that most players are far more committed to > playing > for their club than their country. There is no problem with this as long > as it > is acknowledged. The Shotgun team of 1997 at WUCC in Vancouver came 18th > and > really made an impression on the World scene. GB teams consistantly fail > to > achieve what a GB team could. This needs to be adressed. We all want the > best players to represent the country but this as has been shown is not > always > possible. In light of this the current system of choosing the GB team > needs > changing. We have to find out what is the BUF's prioity, before any > submission > for GB manager/coach etc can be made. > > Should we send the Tour Winners/Nationals Winners/Best performing team at > the > WUCC of the previous year/Should it be completely open with fulls > trials/Should > we combine the top 2/3/4/5 etc teams? > > Practice is the key, if a GB team can practice frequently and regularly > like a > club side we may be able to achieve more. > > Please lets discuss this, as Rafi said this is very important and you > would > expect more on BD. > > Colin. > UTI. > > ----- End of forwarded message from owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk ----- > > ____ ____ _ _ ____ > .----------------------------------------. > _\__ \ _\__ \ / \ / \\__/ | Ranulf Doswell > | > / \_/ /_ / \_/ \ / / / /___ | Department of Computer Science > | > \ __ \\ __ \\ \ _\ \\_/ |University of Warwick, COVENTRY, CV4 > 7AL| > \ \ \ \\ \ \ \\ \__/ \\ \ | Phone: 01203 523296 Fax: 01203 > 525714 | > \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \______/ \_/ > `----------------------------------------' From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Oct 13 15:45:00 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id PAA24679 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 15:32:17 +0100 (BST) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA24664 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 15:32:15 +0100 (BST) Received: from [158.152.203.174] (helo=[158.152.203.174]) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.03 #1) id 0zT5Uj-00026V-00 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 14:32:13 +0000 Subject: Re: Discussion on World Ultimate Date: Tue, 13 Oct 98 15:30:49 +0100 x-sender: ultimatum@pop3.demon.co.uk x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: Paul Hurt To: "BritDisc" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Message-Id: Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk >1 - Identify the players that have the dedication to - and would like to >-play for GB. >2 - Identify which of these players can afford to play for GB (AFAIK there >are no subsidies at the moment please correct me if I am wrong.) >3 - Select 2 teams an A team and a B team, forming 1 squad. >4 - Train as many weekends as possible, (midweek can be difficult) >5 - During tournament season take the GB team as a club to European >tournaments (inc. British Open). Of the top of my head I think that this >could be about 1 every 6 weeks from end of Feb to end of Oct. This club >team would be formed as a subset of A+B, as there will indoubtedly be other >commitments, injury etc. >6 - Play friendlies against other top teams in the country (e.g let us >assume that UTI and Catch form the basis of the GB team: Play against >Druids, Chevvy etc.) on a regular basis. Isn't this pretty much how it's supposed to work already? The problem seems to be that because GB cannot compete in the Tour, their opportunities for playing together in a competitive environment throughout the year are limited. As I understand it, the suggestion that has been mooted by some players is that they could form a "super-club" of players that largely all live locally (probably London), train together during the week, AND compete in the Tour as a club team (as well as elsewhere in Europe). When Worlds selection came 'round, then the presumption is that most if not all of the players on that team would get selected for GB (though of course with the current selection procedure, no-one can guarantee this). We then have a "club" team which forms the core of the GB squad. You obviously can't stop a bunch of players deciding to do this. How popular a move this would be is the question. It might be unpopular if it was found that this "super-team" walked the Tour and Nationals (but that's not necessarily a given - there's lots of very good players on very good teams out there these days. How many people just "assumed" UTI would win Nationals?). It could also be unpopular with players who might be playing on that team but for their geographical location. But in terms of competing better at Worlds or Europeans, I can see how this might (would) be beneficial. But only if pretty much everyone on that team got selected. The situation would certainly put the selector in a difficult position. Alternatively, as Colin suggested, just change the bloomin' GB selection procedure. Send the top club team (however you decide who they are) and let them select whoever else they want to take to Worlds. Certainly a lot less grief and hassle than the current selection procedure! But might not be so beneficial for domestic Ultimate perhaps. Paul --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Hurt Editor, Ultimatum Magazine, London, England editor@ultimatum.demon.co.uk Visit Ultimatum Online... http://www.ultimatum.demon.co.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Oct 13 15:46:24 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id PAA25554 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 15:35:50 +0100 (BST) Received: from tgis.co.uk (galahad.tgis.co.uk [195.188.4.6]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA25526 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 15:35:46 +0100 (BST) Received: from syscap.com (p045.5399-3.saturn.ispc.net [212.46.128.185]) by tgis.co.uk (8.8.7/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA14628; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 15:35:35 +0100 Posted-Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 15:35:35 +0100 Received: from [195.188.6.81] by syscap.com Tue, 13 Oct 98 15:21:31 +0100 X-Sender: pharvey@195.188.6.1 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 15:32:42 +0100 To: "Rob Mitchell", britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: pharvey@syscap.com (Peter Harvey) Subject: RE: Discussion on World Ultimate Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id PAA25539 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk >I was alluding more to the phenomenon of the best >players gravitating towards the best team in order to get high class >international competition. Unfortunateley a lack of new [young] players was a part of our demise. Was it because we were labelled aloof and unapproachable that we were ineffecive in pulling in fresh talent? or did we just not suck hard enough? (go on Wigsy, I left that one just for you!) >we now have a situation at the top of >British Ultimate, with two or three teams able to compete for honours, something >we have not had for many years. It would be a shame to tip the balance in one >direction or the other. Absolutely, with 2 or 3 teams in the running there should be good opportunity to have 'clusters' of tight players to assist integration and 'gelling' of a super-team. Harv From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Oct 13 16:53:20 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id QAA19601 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 16:49:43 +0100 (BST) Received: from ursa.cns.umist.ac.uk (ursa.cns.umist.ac.uk [130.88.210.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA19576 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 16:49:39 +0100 (BST) Received: from ccg.acu.man.ac.uk ([130.88.17.200]) by ursa.cns.umist.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.92 #2) for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk id 0zT6he-0005IF-00; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 16:49:39 +0100 Received: from ccMail by ccg.acu.man.ac.uk (ccMail Link to SMTP R6.00.02) id AA908293774; Tue, 13 Oct 98 16:49:37 GMT Message-Id: <9810139082.AA908293774@ccg.acu.man.ac.uk> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R6.00.02 Date: Tue, 13 Oct 98 16:48:57 GMT From: "Rob Mitchell" To: Subject: RE: Taking the Gypsies? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk > We use Chevron as rhyming slang... > > "I'll be with you in a second, I just have to take a Chevron..." > > It ranks highly alongside "Lesley", "Jimmy" and "Gypsies". > > mere playfulness, natch. > > Harv Swoon! It's just an honour to know that our name passes your lips. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Oct 13 16:53:34 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id QAA19823 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 16:50:29 +0100 (BST) Received: from na-ex-bridge2.nai.com (na-ex-bridge2.nai.com [208.228.228.65]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA19800 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 16:50:25 +0100 (BST) Received: by na-ex-bridge2.nai.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 08:46:09 -0700 Message-ID: <178EA92097A9D111AD0900A0C99B4EFC5B6A92@UK-EXCHANGE1> From: "Oakley, Caedman" To: BritDisc Subject: RE: Discussion on World Ultimate Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 08:37:54 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Wow - seem to have sparked a bit of a backlash. I thought that the call was for positive ideas, not for "let's put up an idea and knock it down". I agree that there are flaws in the idea that I put forward, not least in the fact that it tries to encompass 2 things - Great GB Ultimate and great British Ultimate. I think that whoever is in charge of this is probably intelligent enough to work those flaws out - so far I have seen 2 ideas: - Mine (which probably sucks) and the "send the best club" (which definitely sucks). There have to be other ways of doing this... What I suggested was analogous to the Australian Cricket scene, the Football scene in lots of countries, and the UK Hockey scene. We can't just consider GB Squad on its own, we have to continually build the groundwork too, and a lot of that comes from how the top level of Ultimate behaves. Cads From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Oct 13 16:58:26 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id QAA13526 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 16:34:49 +0100 (BST) Received: from clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@clover-fddi [137.205.4.2]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA13502 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 16:34:46 +0100 (BST) Received: from tgis.co.uk (galahad.tgis.co.uk [195.188.4.6]) by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA04616 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 16:34:42 +0100 (BST) Received: from syscap.com (p025.5399-1.saturn.ispc.net [212.46.128.45]) by tgis.co.uk (8.8.7/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA24497 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 16:21:26 +0100 Posted-Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 16:21:26 +0100 Received: from [195.188.6.81] by syscap.com Tue, 13 Oct 98 16:07:38 +0100 X-Sender: pharvey@195.188.6.1 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 16:18:58 +0100 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: pharvey@syscap.com (Peter Harvey) Subject: Taking the Gypsies? Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk >enough already. I wished to use the phrase 'up shit creek without a paddle' to >recall a time when one club team dominated British Ultimate. Since that team >happened to be Shotgun, I used the word 'Shotgun' as an alternative to 'shit'. >Mere playfulness. We use Chevron as rhyming slang... "I'll be with you in a second, I just have to take a Chevron..." It ranks highly alongside "Lesley", "Jimmy" and "Gypsies". mere playfulness, natch. Harv From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Oct 13 19:34:46 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id TAA25488 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 19:20:13 +0100 (BST) Received: from hotmail.com (f126.hotmail.com [207.82.251.5]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA25444 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 19:19:55 +0100 (BST) Received: (qmail 12463 invoked by uid 0); 13 Oct 1998 18:19:22 -0000 Message-ID: <19981013181922.12462.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 129.11.16.1 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 11:19:21 PDT X-Originating-IP: [129.11.16.1] From: "bob kumar" To: 9722034@bute.sms.ed.ac.uk, eng5afg@ARTS-01.NOVELL.LEEDS.AC.UK, is_it_sharma@hotmail.com, Britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk, Charles_Heenan@stewartivory.co.uk, B.J.Silcock@Bradford.ac.uk, graysd@exchange.SCOTLAND.NCR.com, mmuj5@central.susx.ac.uk, ultimate@lancaster.ac.uk, ecumu@csv.warwick.ac.uk, punwin@grantham.ac.uk, lec6rej@WEST-01.NOVELL.LEEDS.AC.UK, admrwm@ccg.acu.man.ac.uk, Stuart_Mullinger@stratus.com Subject: H O N G K O N G S E V E N ' S Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 11:19:21 PDT Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk The following teams have been entered into the HK7's tourney : Janitors (2 teams) Leeds/Catch Old Boys Ro-sham-bo Sneeeky's Mud Culture Fingers 6 Jedi (3 teams) NFCC Chevron (2 Teams) Bradford Discipiles Mohawks Warwick Bears All the respected captains will be forwarded directions and sleeping arrangements, so watch your respected spaces!!! It was only planned to have 16 teams so if you didn't enter we'll have to put you down as reserve, but if no one drops out, sorry, better luck next year, Cheers JANITORS Contact tel Arun/Rick 0113 2249680 (eves) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Oct 14 13:09:26 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id MAA06476 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 12:54:14 +0100 (BST) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA06457 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 12:54:08 +0100 (BST) Received: from [158.152.203.174] (helo=[158.152.203.174]) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 0zTPTd-0001DR-00 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 11:52:25 +0000 Subject: RE: Discussion on World Ultimate Date: Wed, 14 Oct 98 12:51:03 +0100 x-sender: ultimatum@pop3.demon.co.uk x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: Paul Hurt To: "BritDisc" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Message-Id: Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk >There have to be other ways of doing this... What I suggested was analogous >to the Australian Cricket scene, the Football scene in lots of countries, >and the UK Hockey scene. The difference is Ultimate players aren't full-time sportsmen and women. Players have barely enough spare time to get a moderately serious club team playing to its full potential. GB squads would be SO much stronger if they could spend all year training and competing together. But players' already limited time has to be split between their club team and their GB commitment. I have a feeling that the club team gets the lion's share of that time - particularly with the Tour. I think this shows once GB gets to Worlds - each year we send a team of first-rate players, but somehow the team never quite manages to live up to its own expectations ("Oh, we SO should have won that game.") This is all IMHO only. And I'm not advocating anything here by the way - just "observing" as best I can. What do recent GB-people think? Paul --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Hurt Editor, Ultimatum Magazine, London, England editor@ultimatum.demon.co.uk Visit Ultimatum Online... http://www.ultimatum.demon.co.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Oct 14 15:41:10 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id PAA17762 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 15:28:23 +0100 (BST) Received: from exchpk02.chelt.ac.uk (exchpk02.chelt.ac.uk [194.66.194.6]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA17748 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 15:28:20 +0100 (BST) Received: by exchpk02.chelt.ac.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id <450F8VQG>; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 15:28:07 +0100 Message-ID: <8102C4585310D211858D0060B01A41330A3906@exchpk02.chelt.ac.uk> From: "HUGHES, Chris" To: "'Britdisc'" , "'Me'" Subject: Indoors and Tours Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 15:28:06 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Ok, on the next BUF diary from Ralf there should be included the majority of next years major events, with spaces around them for people to start planing other events, training and GB Training as much as they want. The dates for these events are set, and may be slightly flexible but the venues are not. Cue bids! In order; Indoor Regionals, 6 and 7 Mar (possibly 13 and 14 Mar). We need as many of these as sensible. If you are interested in hosting a regional tournament get in contact with me detailing location, sports facilities, accommodation, Saturday night plans, and predicted cost (inc. BUF tax at 8GBP per team). 1 or 2 pitch venues will be considered depending on how they fit in to the whole picture. Note these regions may not necessarily be geographical. Bids by 1 November (email or post) Indoor Nationals, 20 and 21 Mar This needs to be at least 2 pitches. Preferably more. You need to be able to accommodate 24 teams, and expect to be able to put up at least 8 teams in cheap or free accomodation. Also consider party, and predicted cost. Bids by 1 November (email or post) Tour 1; Apr 10/11 Tour 2; May 8/9 Tour 3; Jun 5/6 Tour 4; Jun 26/27 Tour 5; Jul 17/18 You must be able to accommodate 32 teams, with a minimum of 10 pitches (split sites within walking distance considered). Again consider accomodation - camping, floor space, hostel, B&B. Party approx 150 people (min). eating facilities both during daytime at the pitches and in the evening (are there enough pubs / restaurants). Medical facilities - St John's / paramedics / Doctors. Also useful but not essential, Physios / Masseurs. Will players have some where to hide from the elements when the weather turns. Also needed; predicted cost (you will not be held exactly to this but close) including BUF tax - 15 GBP per team Bids by December 1st (email or post) Nationals; 25/26 September As tour Bids by December the 1st (email or post) Good luck, and I hope to hear from teams soon. Chris From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Oct 15 00:14:51 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id XAA07484 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 23:58:59 +0100 (BST) Received: from mail-gw1.webleicester.net (mailgate.webleicester.co.uk [195.146.160.12]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA07475 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 23:58:57 +0100 (BST) Received: from pii266 (pool-pri1-004.webleicester.co.uk [195.146.164.4]) by mail-gw1.webleicester.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id XAA21873 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 23:56:37 +0100 (BST) Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 00:03:20 +0100 Message-ID: <01BDF7CF.383796A0.bravil@webleicester.co.uk> From: Ben Ravilious Reply-To: "bravil@webleicester.co.uk" To: "'Britdisc'" Subject: WILL YOUR TEAM MAKE IT?..... Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 00:01:16 +0100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Will your team make it into the BUF address book that is! It is now the turn of all the OPEN & WOMENS teams to send their current contact details. If your team's current contact person is a slacker give me your details as well! This is pretty important as these are the address to which tournament invites will be sent. Please try to give as much information as possible eg name address postcode (soon to be very important - trust me!) [home/work/fax/mobile]number email website If your main contact is a student please can I have parental/vacation contact details too including some idea of when their course finishes. Tart/Old boy teams will soon be able to enter their individual players details onto the website so we can all see where you dirty rotters live! Watch out for further news of this on Britdisc. Please note that I intend to make all main team contact details available on the BUF website. Thanks people Ben BUF Address Spotter From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Oct 15 11:18:32 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id LAA06150 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 11:04:27 +0100 (BST) Received: from exchpk02.chelt.ac.uk (exchpk02.chelt.ac.uk [194.66.194.6]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA06122 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 11:04:23 +0100 (BST) Received: by exchpk02.chelt.ac.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id <49FQJCHQ>; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 11:04:09 +0100 Message-ID: <8102C4585310D211858D0060B01A41330A3908@exchpk02.chelt.ac.uk> From: "HUGHES, Chris" To: "'Sean Holden'" Cc: "'Britdisc'" Subject: RE: Indoors and Tours Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 11:04:08 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk I accept that and other comments about timing of Tour events, but 1. You work every other weekend , and to change that so that a tour falls every even number of w/e will allow you to go to the tourneys, but not someone who then has to work every tour w/e. 2. I don't know if T4 is the same w/e as Glastonbury, and to be honest I don't care. To many more people the consideration of w/es between tours is how many of them are available for family, training and recovery. As you will see when the full schedule comes out to move it the w/e before leaves one weekend between T4 and T3, presently filled with Fiesta (probably), and the weekend after would then start pilling too many events close to Worlds when people are putting the finishing touches to their training rather than playing high levels of Ultimate. 3. Yes it is likely that Brugge, T2, Rott, are 3 weeks in a row but that will only affect the teams that go to all three and that is their choice. Most will only go to the tour, some will go to the tour and Rott, and last year only a handful of people went to all 3. Chris -----Original Message----- From: Sean Holden [SMTP:sean.holden@framestore.co.uk] Sent: 14 October 1998 19:43 To: HUGHES, Chris Subject: Re: Indoors and Tours Chris, I have to work every other weekend (as do other players), but the dates you have announced do not fall into this category. I understand that it is hard coming up with appropriate dates for tournaments, but is it possible that the major indoor tournaments could be placed on weekends that interlock with the tour. E.g. indoor regionals 13 and 14 Mar, Finals 27 and 28. Most tournaments through the year tend to be on every other weekend, to follow this trend with all major tournaments would be appreciated. Sean > Indoor Regionals, 6 and 7 Mar (possibly 13 and 14 Mar). > Bids by 1 November (email or post) > > Indoor Nationals, 20 and 21 Mar > Tour 1; Apr 10/11 > Tour 2; May 8/9 > Tour 3; Jun 5/6 > Tour 4; Jun 26/27 > Tour 5; Jul 17/18 > From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Oct 15 11:20:05 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id LAA09429 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 11:17:58 +0100 (BST) Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA09408 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 11:17:53 +0100 (BST) Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA14712 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 11:17:52 +0100 (BST) Received: from uks447.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 15 Oct 1998 10:17:52 UT Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA14683; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 11:17:50 +0100 Message-Id: <199810151017.LAA14683@uks447> Date: 15 Oct 98 11:15:30 +0100 From: "RCOLE.UK.ORACLE.COM" To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Contact Details for Merick, BAF MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Anyone know how I can get in contact with Merrick of BAF fame? Drop me a line if you do (and don't just say 'Phone him'. Ha ha) Cheers Rob Cole ***************************************************************************** Robert Cole Tel: 0118 924 4873 Associate Consultant Mobile: 0961 170 759 Enterprise Methods and Tools Internal Extn: 44873 Oracle UK Fax: 0118 924 5605 Building 530 Email: rcole@uk.oracle.com Thames Valley Park Reading, RG6 1RA ***************************************************************************** From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Oct 15 11:53:41 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id LAA15768 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 11:39:53 +0100 (BST) Received: from na-ex-bridge2.nai.com (na-ex-bridge2.nai.com [208.228.228.65]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA15677 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 11:39:30 +0100 (BST) Received: by na-ex-bridge2.nai.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id <48AVVQQ8>; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 03:35:02 -0700 Message-ID: <178EA92097A9D111AD0900A0C99B4EFC5B6CB2@UK-EXCHANGE1> From: "Oakley, Caedman" To: BritDisc Subject: London Ultimate Players Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 03:21:09 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi, I am trying to get in touch with all the Ultimate Players in London. I know this is a tall order, but a good place to start would be Neil travers, whose address I have not got, as he probably has all the Email addresses of the LUS people. So, if you are the contact from a London Team, please mail me, as I would like to talk to you. Thanks for your time, Cads From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Oct 16 00:11:24 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id XAA05857 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 23:57:42 +0100 (BST) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA05845 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 23:57:38 +0100 (BST) Received: from [158.152.248.177] (helo=phidelta.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 0zTwKv-0004ts-00 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 22:57:37 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 23:55:57 +0100 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: Wayne Retter Subject: Re: WILL YOUR TEAM MAKE IT?..... In-Reply-To: <01BDF7CF.383796A0.bravil@webleicester.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Trial Version 3.04 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Ben Ravilious writes >It is now the turn of all the OPEN & WOMENS teams to send their current >contact details. If your team's current contact person is a slacker give me >your details as well! I believe that Tara was establishing a fully-fledged Women's contact list, if it'll be of any use... the only thing being that only tara seeems to have a copy Wayne ---------------------------------------------------------------- Wayne Retter at home: 0181-663-4856 wayne@phidelta.demon.co.uk mobile: 07970-903420 at work: 01737-273611 wayne_retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Oct 16 00:11:41 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id AAA07872 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 00:10:22 +0100 (BST) Received: from pp2.shef.ac.uk (pp2.shef.ac.uk [143.167.1.32]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA07861 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 00:10:14 +0100 (BST) Received: from [143.167.23.251] (helo=broadstone.shef.ac.uk) by pp2.shef.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.02 #5) id 0zTwX8-0002rq-00 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 00:10:14 +0100 Received: from BROADSTONE/SpoolDir by broadstone.shef.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); 16 Oct 98 00:10:14 +0100 Received: from SpoolDir by BROADSTONE (Mercury 1.43); 16 Oct 98 00:09:03 +0100 Received: from Doris (143.167.188.149) by broadstone.shef.ac.uk (Mercury 1.43); 16 Oct 98 00:09:02 +0100 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Steve Higgins" To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 00:10:11 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Ultrastars X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) Message-ID: <3FC42310E3@broadstone.shef.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Is anyone selling ultrastars? Steve Higgins (Phat 'ed) Sheffield University Ultimate From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Oct 16 09:29:16 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id JAA21847 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 09:17:07 +0100 (BST) Received: from caged.st-andrews.ac.uk (root@caged.st-and.ac.uk [138.251.34.40]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA21830 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 09:17:04 +0100 (BST) Received: from purds.st-andrews.ac.uk (jpg2@purds [138.251.34.20]) by caged.st-andrews.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA28282; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 09:16:59 +0100 (BST) Received: from localhost (jpg2@localhost) by purds.st-andrews.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA27315; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 09:16:57 +0100 (BST) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 09:16:57 +0100 (BST) From: Big Funky X-Sender: jpg2@st-andrews.ac.uk To: "Oakley, Caedman" cc: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Re: Discussion on World Ultimate In-Reply-To: <178EA92097A9D111AD0900A0C99B4EFC4F2473@UK-EXCHANGE1> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Cad, at last, someone in this crazy world who seems to know about how too improve the GB team. Someone get this guy nominanted for something, GB coach, Prime Minister, Master of the Universe - something like that! Jon Good aka 'Big Funky' of 'Funkian' and 'More than just a Hint' aka 'Frank LeBoeuf' of 'Blue Arse Flies' D.O.P.A. S.A.U. (underground) Wine Soc. Captain S.A.U.U.F.C. - Flying Sorcerers The loneliest man since time began - all air-fare donations gratefully received World of Crack! "She asked for I drink, I baught farmhouse scrumpy And then went back to her's for some rumpy-pumpy." On Tue, 13 Oct 1998, Oakley, Caedman wrote: > IMNSHO Practice and constantly playing together is the only way that a > national team can do well. This is why the US sends their best club team to > Worlds. > > So, not knowing quite how it works, how does this grab people: > > 1 - Identify the players that have the dedication to - and would like to > -play for GB. > 2 - Identify which of these players can afford to play for GB (AFAIK there > are no subsidies at the moment please correct me if I am wrong.) > 3 - Select 2 teams an A team and a B team, forming 1 squad. > 4 - Train as many weekends as possible, (midweek can be difficult) > 5 - During tournament season take the GB team as a club to European > tournaments (inc. British Open). Of the top of my head I think that this > could be about 1 every 6 weeks from end of Feb to end of Oct. This club > team would be formed as a subset of A+B, as there will indoubtedly be other > commitments, injury etc. > 6 - Play friendlies against other top teams in the country (e.g let us > assume that UTI and Catch form the basis of the GB team: Play against > Druids, Chevvy etc.) on a regular basis. > > Point 6 has the added advantage that the teams that they play against will > also benefit, and I am certain that there are players in the lower seeded > teams that would like to join in on this, forming a GB Sparring team. > > There is probably already a requirement that n training sessions must be > attended, so that is already covered. > > Most people that are willing to play for their country know the sacrifice > that they have to make to be at that level, and are quite willing to give up > 9 out of 10 weekends, and if it is organised right, the other teams I am > sure will welcome the chance to play hard games (can even use them for Tour > practice). > > Cads - hoping that this doesn't seem too much like sticking an oar in where > it ain't wanted. > From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Oct 16 09:55:31 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id JAA26812 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 09:41:45 +0100 (BST) Received: from pp2.shef.ac.uk (pp2.shef.ac.uk [143.167.1.32]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA26799; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 09:41:42 +0100 (BST) Received: from [143.167.79.249] (helo=pebley.shef.ac.uk) by pp2.shef.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.02 #5) id 0zU5S3-0006R7-01; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 09:41:35 +0100 Received: from PEBLEY/SpoolDir by pebley.shef.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); 16 Oct 98 09:41:35 +0100 Received: from SpoolDir by PEBLEY (Mercury 1.43); 16 Oct 98 09:41:33 +0100 From: "Si Weeks" To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk, Midland.Ultimate.Teams@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 09:41:24 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Student Indoor Midland Qualifiers X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <10E0986838@pebley.shef.ac.uk> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-printable to 8bit by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id JAA26801 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Dear Midland Student Teams, It’s that time of year again, and for the third year running the Student Indoor Midland Qualifiers will be hosted here in the city of Sheffield. This year we will be hosting it at a new venue, which is slightly wider - so no more string and paper. In addition the party will be at a new improved location at the Student Union, with bar until 1am. The weekend for the tournament is the 21st/22nd November at Concorde Sports Centre. The cost as last year is £75 per team, cheques made payable to ‘More than just a Tournament’ and should be sent to the address in the signature of this email. The captains meeting will be at 8.30am on Saturday morning with play commencing at 9am. Accommodation ( I mean floorspace - don’t get your hopes up) will of course be provided on Saturday night. We will finish around 5.30pm on Sunday giving you enough time to get home and finish that assignment that you meant to finish before the weekend. There is a maximum of twenty places available at the tournament, and according to initial interest I am expecting to fill this fairly easily. In order to give each team a fair chance, I will accept cheques on a first come, first served basis with first teams having priority up until Saturday 7th November. After this date I will accept cheques in the order that I received them from second teams, third teams, junior teams etc. The only way to guarantee places is by paying your money now. I think that’s about everything for now, Look forward to seeing you all here in Sheffield, Simon Weeks Tournament Director P.S. All teams will also receive an official invitation through the post. That is all teams except: Purple Haze (Loughborough) Wombles (Hull) Fingers 6 (Manchester) who still haven't let me or Dave Barnyard (Student Coordinator, email him on ) have their new contacts for 98/99. P.P.S. Also does anyone know if the Birmingham University team still exists? P.P.P.S. Kev Lowe. Could I have the junior contact list? -------------------------- Simon Weeks 74 commonside sheffield s10 1gg 0114 266 2304 From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Oct 16 09:59:50 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id JAA00597 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 09:57:11 +0100 (BST) Received: from mx1.rmplc.co.uk (dns2.rmplc.co.uk [194.154.16.99]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA00565 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 09:57:06 +0100 (BST) Received: from mail.rmplc.net (dns0.rmplc.net [194.238.48.13]) by mx1.rmplc.co.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA02907 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 08:57:06 GMT Received: from acotgreave.internal.rmplc.net (hercules.rmplc.co.uk [194.238.48.90]) by mail.rmplc.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA15767 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 09:57:05 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199810160857.JAA15767@mail.rmplc.net> From: "Andy Cotgreave" To: Subject: Re: Discussion on World Ultimate Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 09:56:39 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk hello : : Cad, : at last, someone in this crazy world who seems to know about how too : improve the GB team. So, jon, are you trying to say that all the blood, sweat and tears that have been put in by the GB coaches over the last few years has all been misguided and a waste of time? and that they didn't have a clue what they were doing? I have to say that, although Cads ideas are all put forward with the best intentions, they are a little naive. I have seen the efforts made to improve the GB team, and everyone involved devotes soooo much to it, and they deserve only congratulations for the amount of work they do put in to making the GB team as good as it can be. However, the ideas proposed are complete pie-in-the-sky idealistic ideas which are nigh on impossible to implement. Andy Cotgreave Chevron Action Flash 95-98 Mythago 94-95, Student Champions Sneeekys 92-96, won spirit a few times practised with Strange Blue once or twice M.Sc, B.A (hons) geography acotgreave@rmplc.net "read netiquette rules about long sig. files" : Jon Good : aka 'Big Funky' of 'Funkian' and 'More than just a Hint' : aka 'Frank LeBoeuf' of 'Blue Arse Flies' : D.O.P.A. S.A.U. (underground) Wine Soc. : Captain S.A.U.U.F.C. - Flying Sorcerers : The loneliest man since time began - all air-fare donations gratefully : received : World of Crack! : : "She asked for I drink, I baught farmhouse scrumpy : And then went back to her's for some rumpy-pumpy." : : On Tue, 13 Oct 1998, Oakley, Caedman wrote: : : > IMNSHO Practice and constantly playing together is the only way that a : > national team can do well. This is why the US sends their best club team to : > Worlds. : > : > So, not knowing quite how it works, how does this grab people: : > : > 1 - Identify the players that have the dedication to - and would like to : > -play for GB. : > 2 - Identify which of these players can afford to play for GB (AFAIK there : > are no subsidies at the moment please correct me if I am wrong.) : > 3 - Select 2 teams an A team and a B team, forming 1 squad. : > 4 - Train as many weekends as possible, (midweek can be difficult) : > 5 - During tournament season take the GB team as a club to European : > tournaments (inc. British Open). Of the top of my head I think that this : > could be about 1 every 6 weeks from end of Feb to end of Oct. This club : > team would be formed as a subset of A+B, as there will indoubtedly be other : > commitments, injury etc. : > 6 - Play friendlies against other top teams in the country (e.g let us : > assume that UTI and Catch form the basis of the GB team: Play against : > Druids, Chevvy etc.) on a regular basis. : > : > Point 6 has the added advantage that the teams that they play against will : > also benefit, and I am certain that there are players in the lower seeded : > teams that would like to join in on this, forming a GB Sparring team. : > : > There is probably already a requirement that n training sessions must be : > attended, so that is already covered. : > : > Most people that are willing to play for their country know the sacrifice : > that they have to make to be at that level, and are quite willing to give up : > 9 out of 10 weekends, and if it is organised right, the other teams I am : > sure will welcome the chance to play hard games (can even use them for Tour : > practice). : > : > Cads - hoping that this doesn't seem too much like sticking an oar in where : > it ain't wanted. : > : From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Oct 16 11:08:26 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id KAA16558 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 10:54:45 +0100 (BST) Received: from beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk (beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.129.138]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA16540 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 10:54:43 +0100 (BST) Received: from cedar.sucs.soton.ac.uk (cedar.sucs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.128.92]) by beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.8/relay-02) with ESMTP id KAA29011 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 10:54:41 +0100 (BST) Received: from b62a-17.sucs.soton.ac.uk (b62a-17.sucs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.237.73]) by cedar.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.8/relay-02) with SMTP id KAA00242 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 10:52:30 +0100 (BST) From: Suze Reply-To: scp195@soton.ac.uk To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Discraft Message-ID: Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 10:53:54 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: Simeon for Windows Version 4.1.4 Build (40) X-Authentication: none MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hello everyone, Can someone tell me an email address or some kind of contact for Discraft please? We are trying to get our own discs printed - is it easiest to go straight to Discraft or is there an easier way of going about it? Cheers Suze (Skunks) ---------------------- Suze scp195@soton.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Oct 16 12:00:57 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id LAA01208 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 11:46:06 +0100 (BST) Received: from panduit.de (mail.panduit.de [195.88.88.125]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA01201 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 11:46:03 +0100 (BST) Received: from D-Message_Server by panduit.de with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 12:53:00 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 11:47:15 +0100 From: "Paolo A. Nistri" To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk, acotgreave@rmplc.net Subject: Re: Discussion on World Ultimate -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hear hear the Cotgroover...play/practice for GB before criticising!! Paolo 22 >>> "Andy Cotgreave" 10/16/98 09:56am >>> hello : : Cad, : at last, someone in this crazy world who seems to know about how too : improve the GB team. So, jon, are you trying to say that all the blood, sweat and tears that have been put in by the GB coaches over the last few years has all been misguided and a waste of time? and that they didn't have a clue what they were doing? I have to say that, although Cads ideas are all put forward with the best intentions, they are a little naive. I have seen the efforts made to improve the GB team, and everyone involved devotes soooo much to it, and they deserve only congratulations for the amount of work they do put in to making the GB team as good as it can be. However, the ideas proposed are complete pie-in-the-sky idealistic ideas which are nigh on impossible to implement. Andy Cotgreave Chevron Action Flash 95-98 Mythago 94-95, Student Champions Sneeekys 92-96, won spirit a few times practised with Strange Blue once or twice M.Sc, B.A (hons) geography acotgreave@rmplc.net "read netiquette rules about long sig. files" : Jon Good : aka 'Big Funky' of 'Funkian' and 'More than just a Hint' : aka 'Frank LeBoeuf' of 'Blue Arse Flies' : D.O.P.A. S.A.U. (underground) Wine Soc. : Captain S.A.U.U.F.C. - Flying Sorcerers : The loneliest man since time began - all air-fare donations gratefully : received : World of Crack! : : "She asked for I drink, I baught farmhouse scrumpy : And then went back to her's for some rumpy-pumpy." : : On Tue, 13 Oct 1998, Oakley, Caedman wrote: : : > IMNSHO Practice and constantly playing together is the only way that a : > national team can do well. This is why the US sends their best club team to : > Worlds. : > : > So, not knowing quite how it works, how does this grab people: : > : > 1 - Identify the players that have the dedication to - and would like to : > -play for GB. : > 2 - Identify which of these players can afford to play for GB (AFAIK there : > are no subsidies at the moment please correct me if I am wrong.) : > 3 - Select 2 teams an A team and a B team, forming 1 squad. : > 4 - Train as many weekends as possible, (midweek can be difficult) : > 5 - During tournament season take the GB team as a club to European : > tournaments (inc. British Open). Of the top of my head I think that this : > could be about 1 every 6 weeks from end of Feb to end of Oct. This club : > team would be formed as a subset of A+B, as there will indoubtedly be other : > commitments, injury etc. : > 6 - Play friendlies against other top teams in the country (e.g let us : > assume that UTI and Catch form the basis of the GB team: Play against : > Druids, Chevvy etc.) on a regular basis. : > : > Point 6 has the added advantage that the teams that they play against will : > also benefit, and I am certain that there are players in the lower seeded : > teams that would like to join in on this, forming a GB Sparring team. : > : > There is probably already a requirement that n training sessions must be : > attended, so that is already covered. : > : > Most people that are willing to play for their country know the sacrifice : > that they have to make to be at that level, and are quite willing to give up : > 9 out of 10 weekends, and if it is organised right, the other teams I am : > sure will welcome the chance to play hard games (can even use them for Tour : > practice). : > : > Cads - hoping that this doesn't seem too much like sticking an oar in where : > it ain't wanted. : > : From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Oct 16 12:27:04 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id MAA09470 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 12:12:28 +0100 (BST) Received: from na-ex-bridge2.nai.com (na-ex-bridge2.nai.com [208.228.228.65]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA09400 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 12:12:16 +0100 (BST) Received: by na-ex-bridge2.nai.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id <48AVW3NY>; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 04:07:44 -0700 Message-ID: <178EA92097A9D111AD0900A0C99B4EFC5B6E01@UK-EXCHANGE1> From: "Oakley, Caedman" To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: RE: Discussion on World Ultimate Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 03:15:41 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Andy, :I have to say that, although Cads ideas are all put forward with the best :intentions, they are a little naive. I have seen the efforts made to :improve the GB team, and everyone involved devotes soooo much to it, and :they deserve only congratulations for the amount of work they do put in to :making the GB team as good as it can be. I'll agree that the ideas are a little naive, and yes I congratulate all the past coaches etc. The reason that I think that they are naive is because they rely on people to work towards someone elses goal, and not for their own personal glory, not because the ideas themselves don't work in isolation. :However, the ideas proposed are complete pie-in-the-sky idealistic ideas :which are nigh on impossible to implement. With that I must take issue. Although the ideas (and hey, they are only ideas) call for some radical restructuring of the organisation of who and how GB plays, it is only a question of organisation. If I remember rightly, this is sort of the direction that Si Moore was looking in anyway (Si, jump in here if I've mis-interpreted what you wanted to do), and certainly a direction that gives some strength not only to the GB squad, but to the rest of British Ultimate. Having watched the discussion with interest, there are 2 ideas out there. 1 - Go back to "send the best team from Tour/Nationals" 2 - The ideas that I outlined previously. PLEASE can we see some more ideas. I don't think mine are perfect - they may have some merit for the sport, but thats about it - and I certainly don't think that "send the best club" is where we ought to go. There have to be some other ideas out there, or do none of you care about how we move forward, just so long as if an idea is adopted and doesn't work, you've already gainsayed it?? Cads From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Oct 16 12:31:08 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id MAA12913 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 12:25:22 +0100 (BST) Received: from gatekeeper.cmht.nwest.nhs.uk (gatekeeper.cmht.nwest.nhs.uk [193.60.159.61]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA12901 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 12:25:16 +0100 (BST) Received: by gatekeeper.cmht.nwest.nhs.uk; (5.65v4.0/1.3/10May95) id AA23876; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 12:24:06 +0100 Received: from pers.cmht.nwest.nhs.uk (pers.cmht.nwest.nhs.uk [159.170.196.35]) by mar003.cmht.nwest.nhs.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA19832; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 12:33:40 +0100 (BST) Received: from MRI_PERS/SpoolDir by pers.cmht.nwest.nhs.uk (Mercury 1.40); 16 Oct 98 12:19:43 BST Received: from SpoolDir by MRI_PERS (Mercury 1.40); 16 Oct 98 12:19:17 BST From: "Harry Golby" Organization: Central Manchester Healthcare Trust To: BritDisc Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 12:19:14 BST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Discussion on World Ultimate Cc: Alison Hill References: <178EA92097A9D111AD0900A0C99B4EFC4F2473@UK-EXCHANGE1> In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v3.01a) Message-Id: <22801FC651E@pers.cmht.nwest.nhs.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Its probably about time I contributed to the debate (I've been reading most of the stuff that has been written but not had an opportunity to comment until now.) For those of you who don't know I have been involved in managing the GB team for the past 6 years in one way or another (generally jointly with Simon Moore and several others.) I quit after this year's worlds. When we started doing it Ultimate was much smaller than it is now, the GB team was formed around the best club teams and there was a lot of talk of it being a 'closed shop' and not being representative of GB Ultimate, etc. The BUF decided the GB team should be selected through a 'squad system' where the best players in the country get an opportunity to try out for the squad which should practice together and from that the team should picked to go to Worlds. It was also accepted that team selection would need to evolve over time, it's no good starting with a bunch of fresh faces each year. (Hang on a minute isn't that very similar to the ground breaking new idea that was recently suggested...) So that's what we've been trying to do. A few years back we held 'trials' each autumn but that has changed to inviting the existing team and a few people we thought were good enough to join the squad around nationals to train over the winter. (Now if you're upset that you haven't been invited its probably because you're not as good as you think you are or because you didn't think that perhaps with a player base now of x00 its kind of difficult for GB managers to know every player in the country individually and perhaps it would have been helpful if you had approached us....) I think only once in those seven years have the team we have taken to the major championships has actually represented the best of British Ultimate (94 just as the new system was begining to get off the ground.) Every other year I have been frustrated that if I made a list of the 20 best players in the country and the 20 people in the GB team the two would not match. There have been lots of reasons why this has been the case. One has been around time and money - the higher profile of World Clubs has meant the Europeans have become a second rate tournament and alot of players understandably chose to go to world rather than play for GB at Europeans and there are far more tournaments/training happening generally now than before (its a fact that Ultimate players are at their best when they've just started to get jobs, houses, families, etc. - generally other things to do.) 10 or so weekends a year is a big commitment for people who also spend alot of their time playing club Ultimate (hint perhaps we should think about fewer, harder practices, with team members actually thinking about the tactics, plays calls, etc. in between times.) Another big part of it has been due to personal politics. Some players were not happy with how Simon and i have managed the team and this has put them off playing for it. (i'm not disputing their opinions and would admit that as my frustrations around the team have grown my enthusiam for managing it has waned.) There's also a major snowball effect - as soon as one of your mates decides he's not going you look around and see that you'll have to be playing with a bunch of people you don't know too well, so you quit and then.... So nice idea to have a non-playing coach (in fact that was pretty much what Simon intended to do this year before it became obvious that he would be far more useful playing for the team as well.) But it still begs the question - who is accepted and respected enough by the WHOLE Ultimate community to be able to implement their own training methods / tactics (without being continually asked why don't we do it like this, this is what our team uses and its a much better idea...) and to be able to call subs (without people whining when they don't get on as much as they would like.) So am I suggesting we go back to the old system and send the National Champions to represent Britain - because that's what USA does and it works for them? Firstly comparisons with the US are meaningless because a) its far too big to get people coming from all over the country to practice together b) they do not need to worry about raising the level of Ultimate generally. If we send the GB Champions to worlds the incentive for London players to form a super team so that they all know they'll be able to go to every major championship every year is huge. Not so you say ... it just means everyone else practices harder to beat them. Ultimate is not strong enough in this country to let that happen yet, players ony get any good by getting international experience and I would say look around the top teams in the country a fairly sizeable section of each of them got to be so good by gaining some of their experience with the GB squad. So what's the alternative. Well as I reported at the BUF AGM (which wasn't minuted by the man who started this debate off by asking for opinions.) One option some players on the GB team this year discussed was running the squad system with management by committee with one individual from each of the three top teams (with Simon acting as a the non-playing coach/manager 'cos he seems to be the only person around to have the experience and dedication to do the job.) We weren't much good at World's and I think it was alot to do with no one thinking it was 'their' team so we were all looking around waiting for someone else 'to make it happen.' Perhaps this new structure, if accepted, would help get some ownership back into the GB set up. I think a change is probably overdue (that's going to happen anyway) but forming the GB team around a club will lead to more not fewer problems. Now i really ought to be getting back to doing some work. Anyone who fancies the job as GB manager need to bear in mind that you'll become as bitter as I appear to be on reading what I've just written. Harry Chevvy Harry Golby Email:HGOLBY@PERS.CMHT.NWEST.NHS.UK Phone: 0161 276 4904 (W) Fax: 0161 276 4980 From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Oct 16 12:32:01 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id MAA13725 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 12:28:03 +0100 (BST) Received: from maggiore.dsnet.it ([195.250.233.15]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA13701 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 12:27:57 +0100 (BST) Received: (qmail 25156 invoked from network); 16 Oct 1998 11:27:51 -0000 Received: from pppdin27.dsnet.it (HELO mailbox.dsnet.it) (195.250.230.228) by maggiore.dsnet.it with SMTP; 16 Oct 1998 11:27:51 -0000 Message-ID: <36272E1C.F1048032@mailbox.dsnet.it> Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 13:29:32 +0200 From: Peldi Reply-To: peldi@ultilinks.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: BritDisc Subject: Re: Discraft References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Discraft has a cool website: http://www.discraft.com/ with all the info you'll need. Ciao, Peldi -------------------------- Need any Ultimate Contact? Check out Ultilinks! http://www.ultilinks.com/ Suze wrote: > > Hello everyone, > Can someone tell me an email address or some kind of > contact for Discraft please? > We are trying to get our own discs printed - is it easiest > to go straight to Discraft or is there an easier way of > going about it? > Cheers > Suze > (Skunks) > > ---------------------- > Suze > scp195@soton.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Oct 16 13:30:23 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id NAA26836 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 13:13:38 +0100 (BST) Received: from gatekeeper.kpmg.co.uk (gatekeeper.kpmg.co.uk [158.177.32.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA26772 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 13:13:29 +0100 (BST) Received: by gatekeeper.kpmg.co.uk; id NAA20089; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 13:08:52 +0100 (BST) Received: from unknown(158.174.24.70) by gatekeeper.kpmg.co.uk via smap (V3.1) id xma024092; Fri, 16 Oct 98 12:02:34 +0100 Received: from ccMail by kpmg_ima_1.kpmg.co.uk (IMA Internet Exchange 3.0 Enterprise) id 000EA799; Fri, 16 Oct 98 12:06:29 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 09:07:18 +0100 Message-ID: <000EA799.CE21438@kpmg.co.uk> From: Colin.Eagles@kpmg.co.uk (Colin Eagles) Subject: Looking for Beardie To: Britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Sorry folks. Beardie (Purple Haze). Please contact me - Slasher (Jedi/First Touch) Re: Indoor Ultimate tournaments. Tel: (01908) 674299 - evenings e-mail: margaret.eagles@virgin.net Thanks Slasher From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Oct 16 13:36:17 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id NAA28213 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 13:18:29 +0100 (BST) Received: from web03.iname.net (web03.iname.net [165.251.4.13]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA28060 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 13:17:52 +0100 (BST) From: space.cadet@inorbit.com Received: (from root@localhost) by web03.iname.net (8.8.8/8.8.0) id IAA00911; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 08:16:39 -0400 (EDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <9810160816393N.23225@web03> Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 08:16:39 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: Text/Plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: BritDisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Shock as loudest debaters on Britdisc found to have had brain-bypasses! Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Are you guys undergoing some sort of therapy through typing? How else can your incessant, noxious, verbal effluence be accounted for? It should be obvious that what is needed in the GB squad is 20 wild-eyed ( but highly trained ) lunatics, who would stud their own mother in the face to make that grab! Only the hungriest players need apply. Try alt.therapy.kids.talking.crap Or simply disconnect your computer and save us all the bandwidth. ------------------------------------------- Long, smartarse signature files blow goats! --------------------------------------------------- Get free personalized email at http://www.iname.com From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Oct 16 15:30:10 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id PAA05799 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 15:14:29 +0100 (BST) Received: from otto.crispgroup.co.uk (crispgroup.demon.co.uk [158.152.87.155]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA05737 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 15:14:23 +0100 (BST) Received: from [129.1.1.241] by otto.crispgroup.co.uk (NTMail 3.03.0017/1.aia2) with ESMTP id sa028852 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 15:09:44 +0100 Received: from [129.1.12.27] by homer.crispgroup.co.uk (NTMail 3.03.0012/1.aia2) with ESMTP id la032433 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 15:07:56 +0100 Received: by raviben810.crispgroup.co.uk with Microsoft Mail id <01BDF918.40F0DBE0@raviben810.crispgroup.co.uk>; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 15:18:40 +0100 Message-ID: <01BDF918.40F0DBE0@raviben810.crispgroup.co.uk> From: Ben Ravilious To: BritDisc Subject: RE: Discussion on World Ultimate Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 15:18:34 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Info: Crisp Computing Mail Server Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id PAA05778 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk [BR] Harry (and others), -----Original Message----- From: Harry Golby [SMTP:hgolby@pers.cmht.nwest.nhs.uk] Sent: Friday, October 16, 1998 1:19 PM To: BritDisc Cc: Alison Hill Subject: Re: Discussion on World Ultimate [BR] So what's the alternative. Well as I reported at the BUF AGM (which wasn't minuted by the man who started this debate off by asking for opinions.) [BR] Harry, you're refering to me but I didn't take the minutes at the AGM! You were reading the EGM minutes. Your apology has already been accepted ;-) [BR] It may have appeared from my desire to start this debate on Britdisc that I am unhappy with the way the GB Open is managed. Let me now state for the record that is not the case (I have not expressed my opinions on the matter FWIW). As the positions are now up for grabs, I have a responsibilty to publicise this as Secretary. It IS however apparent that some of the senior players are not happy with some things. Rather than the usual round of backstabbing I felt it would be better to try to talk about this stuff openly. Got a problem? I *have* had a couple of critics of my EGM minuting In my defense I can ask only that your bear with me as its my first time and also accept that noone else wanted to stand for the secretary position which, second only to the GB manager it seems, is the worst job in the world! In other words: Critics, help or shut up. Anyone who fancies the job as GB manager need to bear in mind that you'll become as bitter as I appear to be on reading what I've just written. [BR] People should try to remember that our whole sport is run by volunteers. Any effort anyone puts in is a bonus. That dedicated people like Harry should become dissolutioned is a bloody disgrace. Harry, all I can say is ignore the bullshit and stick with it. At the end of the day this is just an Internet discussion group. Everybody pontificates at the top of their voice. What matters is what actually gets done. Experience knows best. To be honest, there has been very little direct criticism of the current GB regime. Most of the chatter has been about how we select the team and is only as important as the coach wants to make it. As no-one has come forward it would seem, as per the BUF constitution, that people are happy with the status quo and that therefore the current people remain. End of issue (?) Gotta go...gotta do something I'm being PAYED to do.... Ben From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Oct 16 16:28:38 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id QAA21670 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 16:11:46 +0100 (BST) Received: from renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk (renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk [129.215.13.3]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA21649 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 16:11:43 +0100 (BST) Received: from eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk (eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk [129.215.13.1]) by renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA04920 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 16:11:43 +0100 (BST) Received: from SMS-EIGG/SpoolDir by eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk (Mercury 1.43); 16 Oct 98 16:11:42 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by SMS-EIGG (Mercury 1.43); 16 Oct 98 16:11:18 +0000 From: "James Spicer" <9550732@eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 16:11:11 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Beginners 1998 X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.54) Message-ID: <1F914A7E2A@eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-printable to 8bit by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id QAA21655 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Dear All Well let us all get away from this GB stuff and go back to our Roots, being beginners. The (7th) Annual Edinburgh Beginners Tournament is happening this year, on the 14th and 15th of November. ( I apogise now for the late annoucement but it is only the first week of term here and have just found our ways again.) As usual it will be held at Meadowbank stadium in halls 2 and 3, starting at 9.00am Saturday, finishing 5.00pm on the Sunday The cost per team will be £90 cheques payable to E.U.U.F.C To make sure everyone has a chance to enter until November 4th will be a maximum of 3 teams per club/uni allowed to enter. After the November the 4th allocation of spare spaces will be done on a 1st come 1st served basis. There is a max of 24 teams The only way of ensuring you have a space on the tournmament is by paying, the tournament entry fee. Promises of money will not guarantee you a place. Entry is open from Monday All cheques should be sent to Edinburgh Beginners Tournament Adam Milner 28 3FL South Clerk Street Edinburgh EH9 RDS See you all soon James S PS Rules of the tournament still occur, only one coach on the pitch for any one point, the coach is also not allowed to score in the endzone. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Oct 16 17:05:58 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id QAA02104 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 16:50:14 +0100 (BST) Received: from caged.st-andrews.ac.uk (root@caged.st-and.ac.uk [138.251.34.40]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA02090 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 16:50:11 +0100 (BST) Received: from purds.st-andrews.ac.uk (root@purds [138.251.34.20]) by caged.st-andrews.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA13146; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 16:50:06 +0100 (BST) Received: from localhost (jpg2@localhost) by purds.st-andrews.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA14906; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 16:32:00 +0100 (BST) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 16:32:00 +0100 (BST) From: Big Funky X-Sender: jpg2@st-andrews.ac.uk To: Andy Cotgreave cc: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Re: Discussion on World Ultimate In-Reply-To: <199810160857.JAA15767@mail.rmplc.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Jon Good aka 'Big Funky' of 'Funkian' and 'More than just a Hint' aka 'Frank LeBoeuf' of 'Blue Arse Flies' D.O.P.A. S.A.U. (underground) Wine Soc. Captain S.A.U.U.F.C. - Flying Sorcerers The loneliest man since time began - all air-fare donations gratefully received World of Crack! "El Amoro's tank tops are back!" On Fri, 16 Oct 1998, Andy Cotgreave wrote: > hello > > : > : Cad, > : at last, someone in this crazy world who seems to know about how too > : improve the GB team. > > So, jon, are you trying to say that all the blood, sweat and tears that > have been put in by the GB coaches over the last few years has all been > misguided and a waste of time? and that they didn't have a clue what they > were doing? Yes, I am also saying that anyone who has played under that GB system should be gassed, their houses burnt, and their testicles crushed by a steam roler so that there can be now chance of their diseased seed every springing forth and contaminating the planet again. In fact we should slaughter anyone who has ever even set eyes on these scum (their not people) just to make sure. > > I have to say that, although Cads ideas are all put forward with the best > intentions, they are a little naive. I have seen the efforts made to > improve the GB team, and everyone involved devotes soooo much to it, and > they deserve only congratulations for the amount of work they do put in to > making the GB team as good as it can be. > > However, the ideas proposed are complete pie-in-the-sky idealistic ideas > which are nigh on impossible to implement. > > Andy Cotgreave > Chevron Action Flash 95-98 > Mythago 94-95, Student Champions > Sneeekys 92-96, won spirit a few times > practised with Strange Blue once or twice > M.Sc, > B.A (hons) geography > acotgreave@rmplc.net > "read netiquette rules about long sig. files" > > : Jon Good > : aka 'Big Funky' of 'Funkian' and 'More than just a Hint' > : aka 'Frank LeBoeuf' of 'Blue Arse Flies' > : D.O.P.A. S.A.U. (underground) Wine Soc. > : Captain S.A.U.U.F.C. - Flying Sorcerers > : The loneliest man since time began - all air-fare donations gratefully > : received > : World of Crack! > : > : "She asked for I drink, I baught farmhouse scrumpy > : And then went back to her's for some rumpy-pumpy." > : > : On Tue, 13 Oct 1998, Oakley, Caedman wrote: > : > : > IMNSHO Practice and constantly playing together is the only way that a > : > national team can do well. This is why the US sends their best club > team to > : > Worlds. > : > > : > So, not knowing quite how it works, how does this grab people: > : > > : > 1 - Identify the players that have the dedication to - and would like > to > : > -play for GB. > : > 2 - Identify which of these players can afford to play for GB (AFAIK > there > : > are no subsidies at the moment please correct me if I am wrong.) > : > 3 - Select 2 teams an A team and a B team, forming 1 squad. > : > 4 - Train as many weekends as possible, (midweek can be difficult) > : > 5 - During tournament season take the GB team as a club to European > : > tournaments (inc. British Open). Of the top of my head I think that > this > : > could be about 1 every 6 weeks from end of Feb to end of Oct. This > club > : > team would be formed as a subset of A+B, as there will indoubtedly be > other > : > commitments, injury etc. > : > 6 - Play friendlies against other top teams in the country (e.g let us > : > assume that UTI and Catch form the basis of the GB team: Play against > : > Druids, Chevvy etc.) on a regular basis. > : > > : > Point 6 has the added advantage that the teams that they play against > will > : > also benefit, and I am certain that there are players in the lower > seeded > : > teams that would like to join in on this, forming a GB Sparring team. > : > > : > There is probably already a requirement that n training sessions must > be > : > attended, so that is already covered. > : > > : > Most people that are willing to play for their country know the > sacrifice > : > that they have to make to be at that level, and are quite willing to > give up > : > 9 out of 10 weekends, and if it is organised right, the other teams I > am > : > sure will welcome the chance to play hard games (can even use them for > Tour > : > practice). > : > > : > Cads - hoping that this doesn't seem too much like sticking an oar in > where > : > it ain't wanted. > : > > : > From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Oct 16 18:21:34 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id SAA18949 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 18:07:22 +0100 (BST) Received: from web03.iname.net (web03.iname.net [165.251.4.13]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA18938 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 18:07:18 +0100 (BST) From: space.cadet@inorbit.com Received: (from root@localhost) by web03.iname.net (8.8.8/8.8.0) id NAA01852; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 13:06:46 -0400 (EDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <9810161306465F.12591@web03> Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 13:06:46 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: Text/Plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: BritDisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Shock-treatment looms for rabid bleaters on Britdisc Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Cads, Cotgreave and Jon Good! Not now, grown-ups talking! If it weren't so patently obvious, that you have already been lobotomised, that would have been a possible course of action to correct your errant behaviour. Sadly deprived of this pleasure, your reprimand may have to take the form of large quantities of electricity, administered to those parts of yours, less-frequently exposed to the sun. Were there an ounce of talent ( or indeed an ounce of anything useful ) distributed amongst you, your bleatings might prove tolerable. Ho hum. Yellow card! --------------------------------------------------- Get free personalized email at http://www.iname.com From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Oct 16 18:51:50 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id SAA23686 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 18:38:24 +0100 (BST) Received: from dirc.bris.ac.uk (dirc.bris.ac.uk [137.222.10.51]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA23670 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 18:38:20 +0100 (BST) Received: from cs.bris.ac.uk (actually host luna.cs.bris.ac.uk) by dirc.bris.ac.uk with SMTP-PRIV (PP) with ESMTP; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 18:36:31 +0100 Received: from tao.cs.bris.ac.uk ([137.222.104.3]) by cs.bris.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA26327 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 18:35:29 +0100 (BST) Received: from localhost by tao.cs.bris.ac.uk (8.8.7) id SAA26051; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 18:35:24 +0100 (BST) To: BritDisc Subject: the "solution" Reply-To: lafave@cs.bris.ac.uk In-reply-to: Your message of Fri, 16 Oct 1998 15:18:34 +0100 Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 18:35:23 +0100 Message-ID: <26049.908559323@tao> From: Laura Lafave Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk BR > That dedicated people like Harry should become BR > dissolutioned is a bloody disgrace. Now we know why people aren't participating... ;) dissolution (n) 1. The act of dissolving, sundering, or separating into component parts 2. Change from a solid to a fluid state; solution by heat or moisture; liquefaction; melting. etc... From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sun Oct 18 19:14:38 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id SAA20117 for britdisc-outgoing; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 18:57:33 +0100 (BST) Received: from mail-gw1.webleicester.net (mailgate.webleicester.co.uk [195.146.160.12]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA20106 for ; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 18:57:30 +0100 (BST) Received: from pii266 (pool-pri1-014.webleicester.co.uk [195.146.164.14]) by mail-gw1.webleicester.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id SAA06536 for ; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 18:54:39 +0100 (BST) Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 19:01:59 +0100 Message-ID: <01BDFAC9.C8A26BA0.bravil@webleicester.co.uk> From: Ben Ravilious Reply-To: "bravil@webleicester.co.uk" To: "'Britdisc'" Subject: FW: the "solution" Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 19:01:46 +0100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Bloody Academics. Spotted any good rules recently? ;-) Ben Bad spellers of the world untie! -----Original Message----- From: Laura Lafave [SMTP:lafave@cs.bris.ac.uk] Sent: Friday, October 16, 1998 6:35 PM To: BritDisc Subject: the "solution" BR > That dedicated people like Harry should become BR > dissolutioned is a bloody disgrace. Now we know why people aren't participating... ;) dissolution (n) 1. The act of dissolving, sundering, or separating into component parts 2. Change from a solid to a fluid state; solution by heat or moisture; liquefaction; melting. etc... From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sun Oct 18 22:02:05 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id VAA04578 for britdisc-outgoing; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 21:47:07 +0100 (BST) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA04570 for ; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 21:47:05 +0100 (BST) Received: from [158.152.248.177] (helo=phidelta.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.05demon1 #1) id 0zUzjE-0001PL-00 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 20:47:04 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 20:37:45 +0100 To: BritDisc From: Wayne Retter Subject: World Clubs... oops! MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Trial Version 3.04 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Here's the word on the street... (from the meeting held at the BUF Outdoor Women's Championships on Saturday night, reported by am ear-witness) Ben Ravillious (BUF Sec) revealed: THREE Open teams definately qualify for Worlds, with the possibility of more slots as teams drop out, etc Makes things interesting, doesn't it? Wayne PS: Fierce (Gynga Aussie Fi, Laura, Jackie Potter, Jane, Clare Parker, Beth, Debbie) beat Bliss in the Final, Missin Impossible (nee Women in Black) beat Twin Peaks for 3rd! ---------------------------------------------------------------- Wayne Retter at home: 0181-663-4856 wayne@phidelta.demon.co.uk mobile: 07970-903420 at work: 01737-273611 wayne_retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sun Oct 18 22:06:14 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id VAA04567 for britdisc-outgoing; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 21:47:04 +0100 (BST) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA04560 for ; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 21:47:02 +0100 (BST) Received: from [158.152.248.177] (helo=phidelta.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.05demon1 #1) id 0zUzjB-0001P5-00 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 20:47:02 +0000 Message-ID: <2AR$IbAROlK2Ewmh@phidelta.demon.co.uk> Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 21:46:09 +0100 To: BritDisc From: Vanessa White Reply-To: Vanessa White Subject: Housewarming MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Trial Version 3.04 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Vanessa has recently purchased a flat not too far from London, and we need those of you who think you know us well enough to be invited to our Halloween flatwarming party to drop us a line so that we can invite you... simple, eh? Vanessa and Wayne -- Vanessa White Vanessa_White@phidelta.demon.co.uk mobile: 07970-903422 From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Oct 19 08:02:31 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id HAA10348 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 07:47:18 +0100 (BST) Received: from gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (ralf@gem [137.205.227.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA10342 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 07:47:17 +0100 (BST) Received: (from ralf@localhost) by gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id HAA05707 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 07:47:16 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 07:47:16 +0100 (BST) From: Ranulf Doswell Message-Id: <199810190647.HAA05707@gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: BFDF Events Reminder Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk British Flying Disc Federation Disc Events Diary ------------------------------------------------ The events list can also be found at http://www.dcs.warwick.ac.uk/~ralf/bfdf/ ---------- Saturday 24th October 1998 BDGA Golf (2 days) @ Whitcombe, Dorset [Golf Handicap] Saturday 7th November 1998 BDGA Singles Matchplay (2 days) @ TBC [Golf] Contact Andy Lucey Email andy_lucey@cargill.com Phone 0181 767 6766 Saturday 21st November 1998 Student Indoor Midland Qualifiers (2 days) [Students' Indoor Ultimate] Contact Simon Weeks Address 74 Commonside Sheffeild S10 1GG Email gga95sew@sheffield.ac.uk Phone 0114 266 2304 Saturday 9th January 1999 Red Co-ed Indoors (2 days) @ Aylestone Leisure Centre, Leicester. [Indoor Ultimate] note change of venue Contact Leicester Ultimate Club (Red) Address PO Box 1075 Leicester LE2 1YQ Email red@ultimateweb.co.uk Phone 0116 2559638 (Ben Ravilious) Saturday 27th February 1999 National Student Indoors (2 days) @ Leeds [Students' Indoor Ultimate] TD Jon Chewins Saturday 6th March 1999 Indoor Regionals (2 days) [Indoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Saturday 13th March 1999 Indoor Regionals (2 days) [Indoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Saturday 20th March 1999 Indoor Nationals (2 days) [Indoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Saturday 27th March 1999 Red Outdoors (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Leicester Ultimate Club (Red) Address PO Box 1075 Leicester LE2 1YQ Email red@ultimateweb.co.uk Phone 0116 2559638 (Ben Ravilious) Saturday 3rd April 1999 Dublin Outdoors (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 10th April 1999 Tour I (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Saturday 1st May 1999 Brugge (2 days) TBC [Outdoor Ultimate Abroad] Saturday 8th May 1999 Tour II (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Thursday 13th May 1999 Rotterdam (4 days) TBC [Outdoor Ultimate Abroad] Saturday 5th June 1999 Tour III (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Saturday 12th June 1999 Fiesta (2 days) TBC [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Laura Lafave Email lafave@cs.bris.ac.uk Phone (w) +44-117-954 5128 Saturday 26th June 1999 Tour IV (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Wednesday 7th July 1999 Worlds (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate Abroad] Wednesday 14th July 1999 Worlds (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate Abroad] Saturday 17th July 1999 Tour V (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Saturday 24th July 1999 Ross on Wye (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 25th September 1999 Nationals (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk ---------------------------------------------------------- British Flying Disc Federation Disc Events Diary http://www.dcs.warwick.ac.uk/~ralf/bfdf/ Ranulf Doswell, ralf@dcs.warwick.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Oct 19 09:55:52 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id JAA25557 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 09:40:21 +0100 (BST) Received: from smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk ([62.172.72.129]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA25545 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 09:40:19 +0100 (BST) From: Wayne_Retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk Received: from ccMail by smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk (IMA Internet Exchange 3.01 Enterprise) id 0001E285; Mon, 19 Oct 98 09:35:36 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 09:36:59 +0100 Message-ID: <0001E285.CE21337@watsonwyatt.co.uk> Subject: Re: World Clubs... oops! To: BritDisc , Fluid Druids Mailing List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Schoolboy error! This wasn't supposed to go to BritDisc, just the Druids' mailing list... hope it's not horribly inaccurate! Wayne ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: World Clubs... oops! Author: Wayne Retter at ~Internet Date: 18/10/98 20:37 Here's the word on the street... (from the meeting held at the BUF Outdoor Women's Championships on Saturday night, reported by am ear-witness) Ben Ravillious (BUF Sec) revealed: THREE Open teams definately qualify for Worlds, with the possibility of more slots as teams drop out, etc Makes things interesting, doesn't it? Wayne PS: Fierce (Gynga Aussie Fi, Laura, Jackie Potter, Jane, Clare Parker, Beth, Debbie) beat Bliss in the Final, Missin Impossible (nee Women in Black) beat Twin Peaks for 3rd! ---------------------------------------------------------------- Wayne Retter at home: 0181-663-4856 wayne@phidelta.demon.co.uk mobile: 07970-903420 at work: 01737-273611 wayne_retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Oct 19 09:58:34 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id JAA27919 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 09:50:04 +0100 (BST) Received: from otto.crispgroup.co.uk (crispgroup.demon.co.uk [158.152.87.155]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA27904 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 09:50:00 +0100 (BST) Received: from [129.1.1.241] by otto.crispgroup.co.uk (NTMail 3.03.0017/1.aia2) with ESMTP id ta029139 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 09:44:43 +0100 Received: from [129.1.12.27] by homer.crispgroup.co.uk (NTMail 3.03.0012/1.aia2) with ESMTP id ma032512 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 09:43:26 +0100 Received: by raviben810.crispgroup.co.uk with Microsoft Mail id <01BDFB46.6B542100@raviben810.crispgroup.co.uk>; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 09:54:10 +0100 Message-ID: <01BDFB46.6B542100@raviben810.crispgroup.co.uk> From: Ben Ravilious To: BritDisc Subject: RE: World Clubs... oops! Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 09:54:04 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Info: Crisp Computing Mail Server Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id JAA27914 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk [BR] Just thought I'd clarify this..... Ben Ravillious (BUF Sec) revealed: [BR] Can't take credit for this as it was Tara who broke the news! I gather Charlie Mead is going to announce something more formal soon. THREE Open teams definately qualify for Worlds, with the possibility of more slots as teams drop out, etc [BR] That's correct isn't it Tara?. I think its generally understood that more places will become available - judging by previous experience. Don't count those chickens though. Makes things interesting, doesn't it? [BR] It certainly does. Minutes of the womens meeting will be posted in a few days. Ben RED (7th and optimistic) Wayne PS: Fierce (Gynga Aussie Fi, Laura, Jackie Potter, Jane, Clare Parker, Beth, Debbie) beat Bliss in the Final, Missin Impossible (nee Women in Black) beat Twin Peaks for 3rd! ---------------------------------------------------------------- Wayne Retter at home: 0181-663-4856 wayne@phidelta.demon.co.uk mobile: 07970-903420 at work: 01737-273611 wayne_retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Oct 19 17:11:09 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id QAA09076 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 16:52:09 +0100 (BST) Received: from beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk (beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.129.138]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA09061 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 16:52:07 +0100 (BST) Received: from cedar.sucs.soton.ac.uk (cedar.sucs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.128.92]) by beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.8/relay-02) with ESMTP id QAA15511 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 16:52:06 +0100 (BST) Received: from b62b-20.sucs.soton.ac.uk (b62b-20.sucs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.237.105]) by cedar.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.8/relay-02) with SMTP id QAA25905 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 16:45:58 +0100 (BST) From: Suze Reply-To: scp195@soton.ac.uk To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Student Womens Indoor Tourne? Message-ID: Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 16:47:32 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: Simeon for Windows Version 4.1.4 Build (40) X-Authentication: none MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi everyone, After a great weekend at the womens national outdoors and seeing the large increase in the number of student women playing i thought I would enquire to see of there was enough takers for an indoor student (and juniors?) womens tourne. We (Southampton Skunks) would be happy to host this occasion. Could people who think they may be interested get back to me and let me know how many girles they have playing and when would be a good time to host it (I am thinking end of November possibly)? So come on all you Bears and Mohawks and Jesters and Leeds type people and Sheffield type people and anyone else who knows better than to be in the working world, lets keep womens ultimate moving in the right direction. Suze (Skunks) p.s Congrats to Fierce on their victory at the weekend, a brilliant fight from Fierce and Bliss. Does anyone know if Tara is OK? From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Oct 19 18:08:13 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id RAA26316 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 17:50:46 +0100 (BST) Received: from epunix.biols.susx.ac.uk (root@epunix.biols.susx.ac.uk [139.184.162.2]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA26253 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 17:50:38 +0100 (BST) Received: from localhost (458 bytes) by epunix.biols.susx.ac.uk via sendmail with P:stdio/R:acukbind/T:smtp (sender: ) (ident using unix) id for ; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 17:50:38 +0100 ( BST) (Smail-3.2.0.101 1997-Dec-17 #10 built 1998-Feb-1) Message-Id: From: kevinbr@biols.susx.ac.uk (Kevin Brooks) Subject: Archives To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 17:50:37 +0100 ( BST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL20] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Does anyone know why I can no longer access BritDisc archives on the web? I used to just go to http://www.csv.warwick.ac.uk/~suaaz/BritDisc/ ...but now I just get "Access Forbidden" Wossgoinon? Locks From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Oct 19 18:10:57 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id RAA28340 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 17:59:08 +0100 (BST) Received: from hotmail.com (f37.hotmail.com [207.82.250.48]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA28333 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 17:59:05 +0100 (BST) Received: (qmail 11439 invoked by uid 0); 19 Oct 1998 16:58:26 -0000 Message-ID: <19981019165826.11438.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 129.11.16.1 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 09:58:26 PDT X-Originating-IP: [129.11.16.1] From: "bob kumar" To: Britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 09:58:26 PDT Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk HONG KONG SEVENS Following teams entered for this weekend's tourney : Janitors More Janitors Superfly Ro-sham-bo Sneeeky's Chevron I & II Leeds Uni Old Boys Jedi I & II Mohawks Fingers 6 Bradford Disciples Warwick Bears Mud Culture NFCC Sorry the tournament is full up, but anyone who wants to put themselves on the reserve list is welcome. If you require accommodation and you haven't been in contact with the Janitors then you need to call Arun or Rick on this tel no. 0113 2249680 NOW!!!!! We can't guarantee accommodation if you don't let us know prior to the tourney. Directions are also available once again call the tel no above. Cheers Janitors ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Oct 20 09:56:06 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id JAA26942 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 09:32:13 +0100 (BST) Received: from beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk (beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.129.138]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA26931 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 09:32:11 +0100 (BST) Received: from cedar.sucs.soton.ac.uk (cedar.sucs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.128.92]) by beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.8/relay-02) with ESMTP id JAA14086 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 09:31:57 +0100 (BST) Received: from b62b-19.sucs.soton.ac.uk (b62b-19.sucs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.237.104]) by cedar.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.8/relay-02) with SMTP id JAA10551 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 09:25:54 +0100 (BST) From: Suze Reply-To: scp195@soton.ac.uk To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Re: Student Womens Indoor Tourne? Message-ID: Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 09:27:31 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: Simeon for Windows Version 4.1.4 Build (40) X-Authentication: none MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk I got an encouraging response to yesterday's email about a student womens indoor tourne and I had thought about the problem of Southampton being a bit too far south: >Great idea but what about all those people up north? >Having the tournie >in Southampton poses problems for people higher up the >country. I'm in >Lancaster now and would like a womens indoors, and to play >at it, but >cannot travel all the way down to Southampton for it. Its too expensive >and time consuming (not to mention exhausting!). >Are there any alternative locations that might appeal to >all? >Joanne >RESERVOIR FISH Are there any other voluteers towards the middle of the country who want to host this tourne? You could make a mark in the history of ultimate.... Suze From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Oct 20 11:08:16 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id KAA18693 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 10:49:33 +0100 (BST) Received: from otto.crispgroup.co.uk (crispgroup.demon.co.uk [158.152.87.155]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA18676 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 10:49:29 +0100 (BST) Received: from [129.1.1.241] by otto.crispgroup.co.uk (NTMail 3.03.0017/1.aia2) with ESMTP id fa029697 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 10:44:28 +0100 Received: from [129.1.12.27] by homer.crispgroup.co.uk (NTMail 3.03.0012/1.aia2) with ESMTP id xa032783 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 10:42:58 +0100 Received: by raviben810.crispgroup.co.uk with Microsoft Mail id <01BDFC17.ED8B0400@raviben810.crispgroup.co.uk>; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 10:53:53 +0100 Message-ID: <01BDFC17.ED8B0400@raviben810.crispgroup.co.uk> From: Ben Ravilious To: "'Britdisc'" Subject: 1999 WORLD CLUBS QUOTAS Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 10:53:52 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Info: Crisp Computing Mail Server Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id KAA18681 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Charlie says..... I can reveal the official initial quotas for the 1999 World Club Championships. The numbers quoted here represent teams who will definitely qualify. As has been stated before there will be a limited number of extra places available depending on other countrys' uptake. GB Quota Scottish Quota Division Size Open 4 2 40 Womens 2 reserve list 24 Masters 1 reserve list 16 Co-ed 1 1 16 These have been drawn up based firstly on *attendance* of recent World Championships and then also on *performance* at World Championships. Countries such as France which have not attended Worlds recently find their teams on the reserve lists. Charlie hopes to be able to announce the uptake of the main quotas this week. The remainder will first be offered to countries on the reserve list who have expressed interest. Lastly, any further remaining places will then be offered to countries (such as GB) who have expressed an interest in more places. Please do not ask me or Charlie to speculate on the availability of further places. Be patient, this will all be revealed soon. Co-ed: The BUF will be making a decision on how to allocated the Co-ed place(s?) soon. Laura, Chris, & co.: talk to me about this! If you haven't got the answers you want please hassle me, not Charlie. Please contact me at home (bravil@webleicester.co.uk / 0116 2559638 / 0403 460866) rather than replying to this email. Thanks folks Ben McRavilious BUF Secretary Leicester Scottish Ex-pat Open Ultimate Team From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Oct 20 11:50:52 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id LAA03515 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 11:31:39 +0100 (BST) Received: from exchpk02.chelt.ac.uk (exchpk02.chelt.ac.uk [194.66.194.6]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA03500 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 11:31:36 +0100 (BST) Received: by exchpk02.chelt.ac.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id <49FQJW6K>; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 11:31:23 +0100 Message-ID: <8102C4585310D211858D0060B01A41330A3916@exchpk02.chelt.ac.uk> From: "HUGHES, Chris" To: "'Britdisc'" Subject: Rumour Bashing Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 11:31:23 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk To whom it may concern (almost everyone) Having just spoken with Charlie Mead (Worlds 99 TD, and chairman of the WFDF Ultimate committee) the decision on how many teams going to worlds from each country has NOT yet been taken. However I can give some definite information; The decision will be taken in a few days time, and Charlie will let me know when the information is made public - I will tell you. It is highly likely that any country wanting to fill more that its allocated space will get at least one extra slot. After that then we may fill more slots if teams are interested if teams drop out close to the event. At this stage expect nothing and hope for everything (especially if you are a Druid) Chris (DoC hat on) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Oct 20 12:27:00 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id MAA15395 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 12:08:32 +0100 (BST) Received: from mps1.leeds.ac.uk (mps1.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.16.8]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA15368 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 12:08:29 +0100 (BST) Received: from west-01.novell.leeds.ac.uk (west-01.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.124.1]) by mps1.leeds.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA06140 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 12:08:28 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199810201108.MAA06140@mps1.leeds.ac.uk> Received: from LUCS-H21/SpoolDir by west-01.novell.leeds.ac.uk (Mercury 1.43); 20 Oct 98 12:08:18 GMT0BST Received: from SpoolDir by LUCS-H21 (Mercury 1.43); 20 Oct 98 12:08:12 GMT0BST From: "R.E. JACOBS" Organization: University of Leeds To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 12:07:57 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Womens indoor's Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk In response to calls for an indoor tournament in the centre of the country, I am already investigating the possibility of putting on a tournament here in leeds. I am currently trying to find a free weekend in the sports hall but am hoping to hold it either in December or January depending on when the Oxford indoors is being held. Will all the women's teams that would interested in coming let me know. If there is enough interest I will get things moving A.S A.P Cheers Rach (Jedi and the Leeds women's team for which we still haven't decided on a name for yet!!!) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Oct 20 12:59:29 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id MAA25109 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 12:39:55 +0100 (BST) Received: from ntintel1.webleicester.co.uk ([195.146.160.4]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA25084 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 12:39:52 +0100 (BST) Received: by NTINTEL1 with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 12:40:05 +0100 Message-ID: From: Ian Scotland To: "'Britdisc'" Subject: Worlds Allocation - Scottish Teams Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 12:40:02 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Chris wrote: > Having just spoken with Charlie Mead (Worlds 99 TD, and chairman of the WFDF > Ultimate committee) the decision on how many teams going to worlds from each > country has NOT yet been taken. However I can give some definite information; and Ben wrote: > GB Quota Scottish Quota Division Size >Open 4 2 40 >Womens 2 reserve list 24 >Masters 1 reserve list 16 >Co-ed 1 1 16 Who do we believe? My question is this: Who is deciding on the 'Scottish Quota'? As I understand it from my years involved in the BUF (of which Scottish Ultimate is a part), the BUF get allocated a number of places which the BUF can then allocate as it sees fit - normally on Nationals finish. Has the BUF decided that the allocation will be split 4/2 based on an overall allocation of 6 places, or has the WFDF decided to give and EXTRA two places to Scottish teams as a special case? Or is the WFDF telling the BUF that their quota of teams should be split 4:2? I would be extremely distressed to find that the WFDF is making decissions on behalf of the BUF, but conversely extremely pleased to find that British clubs had gained an extra two places by virtue of a Scottish venue (World Clubs 2001 in Wales I say!). If, however, the BUF has decided that it's six places should be split 4/2, I would urge then to reconsider a 5/1 split - Sneeeky's being the only Scottish team that consistantly performed in the tour. Maybe I am jumping the gun, but I would like this explained BEFORE the final word on places is announced Scott Red From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Oct 20 14:15:08 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id NAA19805 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 13:56:27 +0100 (BST) Received: from alpha5.iso.port.ac.uk (alpha5.iso.port.ac.uk [148.197.254.14]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA19769 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 13:56:23 +0100 (BST) Received: from Au02.nwservers.iso.port.ac.uk (au02.nwservers.iso.port.ac.uk [148.197.170.17]) by alpha5.iso.port.ac.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id NAA18534 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 13:56:23 +0100 (BST) Received: from AU02/SpoolDir by Au02.nwservers.iso.port.ac.uk (Mercury 1.40); 20 Oct 98 13:56:27 GMT0BST Received: from SpoolDir by AU02 (Mercury 1.40); 20 Oct 98 13:56:15 GMT0BST From: "hanna kaisa lanki" Organization: University of Portsmouth To: britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 13:56:13 GMT0BST MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Welcome to britdisc In-reply-to: <199810201240.NAA13612@pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Message-ID: <19AC0590FAB@Au02.nwservers.iso.port.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi! P.D.Q. Portsmouth is anxious to play, is there any tournaments coming? (Southern indoor qualifiers???) Greetings from Hanna e.mail hss71019@port.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Oct 20 16:26:58 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id QAA28438 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 16:04:40 +0100 (BST) Received: from src.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (ralf@src [137.205.227.132]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA28424 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 16:04:38 +0100 (BST) Received: (from ralf@localhost) by src.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id QAA21867 for britdisc@csv; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 16:04:36 +0100 (BST) From: Ralf Message-Id: <199810201504.QAA21867@src.dcs.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Archives In-Reply-To: from Kevin Brooks at "Oct 19, 98 05:50:37 pm" To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 16:04:35 +0100 (BST) X-Quote: Productivity is in the eye of the beholder. X-Quote: The closest to perfection a person ever comes is when they fill out a job application. X-Quote: For every credibility gap, there's a gullibility fill. X-Freedom: 92 days... X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL35 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk > Does anyone know why I can no longer access BritDisc archives on the > web? I used to just go to > > http://www.csv.warwick.ac.uk/~suaaz/BritDisc/ These are now fixed, along with the Bears' homepage. Ralf. ____ ____ _ _ ____ .----------------------------------------. _\__ \ _\__ \ / \ / \\__/ | Ranulf Doswell | / \_/ /_ / \_/ \ / / / /___ | Department of Computer Science | \ __ \\ __ \\ \ _\ \\_/ |University of Warwick, COVENTRY, CV4 7AL| \ \ \ \\ \ \ \\ \__/ \\ \ | Phone: 01203 523296 Fax: 01203 525714 | \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \______/ \_/ `----------------------------------------' From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Oct 20 17:24:56 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id RAA17688 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 17:07:59 +0100 (BST) Received: from mercury.king.ac.uk (mercury.king.ac.uk [141.241.4.24]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA17671 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 17:07:56 +0100 (BST) Received: from bob.king.ac.uk by mercury.king.ac.uk with SMTP (MMTA 2) with ESMTP; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 17:07:52 +0100 Received: from BOB/SpoolDir by bob.king.ac.uk (Mercury 1.43); 20 Oct 98 17:07:51 +0100 Received: from SpoolDir by BOB (Mercury 1.43); 20 Oct 98 17:07:22 +0100 From: Sick Boy Organization: Kingston University To: jeremy.bennet1@virgin.co.uk, A.Findlay@bton.ac.uk, "B. Ravilious" , britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk, Buki@home.USA.california.sanjose.489westlakedrive.com, Challis77@aol.com, charles.mead@easynet.co.uk, Clifford_Bottomley@cargill.com, udwg@mrao.cam.ac.uk, Duncan.Baker@halliburton.com, edward.grigson@btinternet.com, fw205@cam.ac.uk, G.M.Ailes@icsl.ac.uk, ipigott@uk.ibm.com, Jaison DeCicco , tntjlellio@gpo.tsnxt.co.uk, k972459@kingston.ac.uk, k972552@atlas.king.ac.uk, kellison@reedinfo.co.uk, emayer@wesleyan.edu, kevinbr@biols.susx.ac.uk (Kevin Brooks) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 17:07:17 +0100 Subject: Moving addresses X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.54) Message-ID: Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk I am no longer available on colin@tate.co.uk from now on, use k967338@kingston.ac.uk Cheers Colin ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Colin "Sick Boy" Smith "K-Niggets" Ultimate Club Kingston University k967338@kingston.ac.uk Tel: (0181) 942 8050 From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Oct 20 17:46:46 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id RAA24361 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 17:31:44 +0100 (BST) Received: from mercury.king.ac.uk (mercury.king.ac.uk [141.241.4.24]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA24332 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 17:31:38 +0100 (BST) Received: from bob.king.ac.uk by mercury.king.ac.uk with SMTP (MMTA 2) with ESMTP; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 17:31:32 +0100 Received: from BOB/SpoolDir by bob.king.ac.uk (Mercury 1.43); 20 Oct 98 17:31:31 +0100 Received: from SpoolDir by BOB (Mercury 1.43); 20 Oct 98 17:31:04 +0100 From: Sick Boy Organization: Kingston University To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 17:30:57 +0100 Subject: The Quest for the Holy Grail is no longer X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.54) Message-ID: Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Sadly, due to lack of interest and cheques coming in, this tournament is no longer happening on 24th/25th October. Huge apologies to those teams who comitted themselves and sent their cheques (none of which have been paid in yet). Could Skunks, Mr Men, and Wild Stallyns please contact me, as I have had to change e-mails, and have lost my old address book. I'm quite honestly pissed off at the lack of interest in this tournament. Do people want to play tournaments? We as a team put in a lot of effort to organise our first ever tournament, and we thought it was going to be excellent. Despite clashing with HK7s, there's simply no reason for this event to have not been oversubscribed with teams. Maybe it was too early, maybe the clash was the reason. I don't know, but I'll think twice about organising a tourney with such enthusiasm in the future. There are now over 50 teams? in the country. The tour is oversubscribed, and smaller tournaments like ours are the perfect places for those teams in the bottom divisions to get fun, and instructive competition. The smaller tournaments are what sold me on Ultimate in the first place, so why can't there be more like the great one run by Chaos, outdoors in the summer? Please note this is not an attack on the tour. I embrace the tour and what it's doing, and I don't see how it could have an effect on a small indoor tournament. So how about somebody tells me why tourneys like ours, and David McKays in Cambridge in the summer are being cancelled or downsized, or postponed. We will most likely try to run something in the new year, and hope to get a better response then. Please let me know if you're interested. Cheers A sad Sick Boy ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Colin "Sick Boy" Smith "K-Niggets" Ultimate Club Kingston University k967338@kingston.ac.uk Tel: (0181) 942 8050 From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk.britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk@mark Tue Oct 20 22:15:39 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id VAA09018 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 21:55:18 +0100 (BST) Received: from algnet.algonquinc.on.ca (algnet.algonquinc.on.ca [205.211.30.9]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA08973; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 21:55:03 +0100 (BST) Received: from wn112-1.algonquinc.on.ca ([205.211.26.204]) by algnet.algonquinc.on.ca (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id QAA01684; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 16:52:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <362CF847.5B5F@algonquinc.on.ca> Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 16:53:27 -0400 From: Andre Larade X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: susan@systematic.co.uk CC: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk, 97315250@brookes.ac.uk, owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Subject: Dave Brown Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi there. I know Dave and I will ask if he has a current e-mail address and forward it to you. Andre Larade. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Oct 21 10:25:38 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA20024 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 10:12:40 +0100 (BST) Received: from E-MAIL.COM (e-mail.com [204.146.168.195]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA19988 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 10:12:33 +0100 (BST) Received: by E-MAIL.COM (IBM VM SMTP V2R4a) via spool with SMTP id 0729 ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 05:12:15 EDT Received: from LMS01.UNIMAIL.IBM.COM [194.32.223.89] by imxgate.com (IBM VM SMTP V2R4a) via TCP with SMTP ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 05:11:56 EDT Received: by LMS01.UNIMAIL.IBM.COM (Soft-Switch LMS 2.0) with snapi via CCPRD id 0039000003937489; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 09:15:58 +0000 From: "COLIN MOUNTFORD (AQUALISA)" To: Subject: Croydon (lurker) Indoor Practices Message-ID: <0039000003937489000002L092*@MHS> Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 09:15:58 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id KAA19999 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Since nobody else is going to post this I suppose I might as well. Throughout autumn/winter there will be Indoor practices at :- St. Mary's School, Tavistock Road, Croydon Day : Wednesday Time : 6.00 to 7.30 pm Cost : £3.00 Nearest Station : Either East Croydon or West Croydon stations. (more or less equidistant from both stations) Anyone who can drag themselves there for that time is welcome. If you haven't got an A-Z call me on (0181) 688 2644 before 5.50pm and after 5.30pm from the station and I'll do my best to give you directions to the school. I might get more organised next week and try and post a map or directions of some sorts. Cheers Colin L. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Oct 21 10:27:08 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA21268 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 10:17:28 +0100 (BST) Received: from clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@clover-fddi [137.205.4.2]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA21224 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 10:17:19 +0100 (BST) Received: from beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk (beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.129.138]) by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA25003 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 10:17:08 +0100 (BST) Received: from cedar.sucs.soton.ac.uk (cedar.sucs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.128.92]) by beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.8/relay-02) with ESMTP id KAA13838 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 10:17:05 +0100 (BST) Received: from b62a-18.sucs.soton.ac.uk (b62a-18.sucs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.237.74]) by cedar.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.8/relay-02) with SMTP id KAA26592 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 10:14:39 +0100 (BST) From: Suze Reply-To: scp195@soton.ac.uk To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Turf boots from the weekend Message-ID: Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 10:16:19 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: Simeon for Windows Version 4.1.4 Build (40) X-Authentication: none MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi, I have stolen someone's size 9 Arrow turf boots from the weekend (by accident of course). If the owner wants to see them again they will have to contact me at this address and I shall return them, once the ransom money has been received. Suze ---------------------- Suze scp195@soton.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Oct 21 11:12:34 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA02643 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 10:57:33 +0100 (BST) Received: from beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk (beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.129.138]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA02578 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 10:57:17 +0100 (BST) Received: from cedar.sucs.soton.ac.uk (cedar.sucs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.128.92]) by beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.8/relay-02) with ESMTP id KAA23551 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 10:57:07 +0100 (BST) Received: from b62a-18.sucs.soton.ac.uk (b62a-18.sucs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.237.74]) by cedar.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.8/relay-02) with SMTP id KAA29872 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 10:50:34 +0100 (BST) From: Suze Reply-To: scp195@soton.ac.uk To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Date of Womens Indoors Message-ID: Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 10:52:13 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: Simeon for Windows Version 4.1.4 Build (40) X-Authentication: none MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Does anybody know if there is a date confirmed or even reserved for a National Womens Indoor Tourne? It would be useful to know if a student womens indoor tourne is to be arranged. Cheers Suze, again ---------------------- Suze scp195@soton.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Oct 21 12:58:53 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA04837 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 12:41:52 +0100 (BST) Received: from rook.ecs.soton.ac.uk (rook.ecs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.71.4]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA04738 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 12:41:43 +0100 (BST) Received: from stork.ecs.soton.ac.uk (stork [152.78.71.1]) by rook.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA11781 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 12:41:34 +0100 (BST) Received: from tarrant.ecs.soton.ac.uk (IDENT:wp296@tarrant [152.78.71.20]) by stork.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA28349 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 12:41:33 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 12:41:28 +0100 (GMT) From: Will Parker Reply-To: Will Parker To: britdisc Subject: Kingston cancellation Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk I just wanna say how annoyed we are here in Southampton about the cancellation of the Kingston tournament. We had about 30 people coming along, and I can't understand. If we had this much interest in our club alone, what the hell happened to everyone else????? It is a real shame to have to let down some really enthusiastic beginers just because some teams aren't organised or committed enough to send a cheque to someone. COME ON!! Sort it out. Even the Mr Men managed to sort themselves out. I appreciate that the HK7s is on this weekend, and maybe the tournament was under publicised (??) but there must be teams like us that can't easily get all the way to Leeds with 30 people and were looking for a tourny closer to home. Anyone want to play us this weekend?? Will From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Oct 21 14:55:15 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id OAA07783 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 14:36:50 +0100 (BST) Received: from europa.bton.ac.uk (europa.bton.ac.uk [194.83.112.9]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA07766 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 14:36:46 +0100 (BST) Received: from alpha2.bton.ac.uk ([194.81.203.3]) by europa.bton.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.92 #1) id 0zVyRR-0001GP-00; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 14:36:45 +0100 Received: from localhost by alpha2.bton.ac.uk (5.65v4.0/1.1.8.2/28Jul95-0212PM) id AA21750; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 14:36:45 +0100 Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 14:36:45 +0100 (BST) From: Ali Findlay To: Will Parker Cc: britdisc Subject: BUF south eastern student indoor championships In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk The above tournamnet I am delighted to say will take place on the 21st and 22nd November at sussex university sportscentre. The entrance fee is #75 a team and cheques should be made payable to A.Findlay and sent to the address at the base of this e-mail (this fee includes an #8 BUF tax) The tournament is limited to 16 teams. Every university has 1 place secured until the 5th November. After this date all remaining places will be made avaliable to any second teams that want to enter and then 3rd teams. If you want to enter 3 teams in to the tournament please send 3 tournament fee's. Cheques will not be cashed until your team is assured a place in the tournament. As far as I am aware the boundaries have not changed since last year, but if you are unsure which region you are in ( especially new university teams) please contact your student co-ordinator Dave Barnard (BarnardDW@cardiff.ac.uk). Cheers ALi T.D s.e student regionals address 149 milner rd, bton, BN24br 01273 606589 From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Oct 21 17:03:38 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id QAA13959 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 16:49:34 +0100 (BST) Received: from panduit.de (mail.panduit.de [195.88.88.125]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id QAA13953 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 16:49:32 +0100 (BST) Received: from D-Message_Server by panduit.de with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 17:56:22 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 16:52:02 +0100 From: "Paolo A. Nistri" To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk, k967338@kingston.ac.uk Subject: The Quest for the Holy Grail is no longer -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Commiserations together with a little hint: GIVE UP SCHMINDOORS !!!! >>> Sick Boy 10/20/98 05:30pm >>> Sadly, due to lack of interest and cheques coming in, this tournament is no longer happening on 24th/25th October. Huge apologies to those teams who comitted themselves and sent their cheques (none of which have been paid in yet). Could Skunks, Mr Men, and Wild Stallyns please contact me, as I have had to change e-mails, and have lost my old address book. I'm quite honestly pissed off at the lack of interest in this tournament. Do people want to play tournaments? We as a team put in a lot of effort to organise our first ever tournament, and we thought it was going to be excellent. Despite clashing with HK7s, there's simply no reason for this event to have not been oversubscribed with teams. Maybe it was too early, maybe the clash was the reason. I don't know, but I'll think twice about organising a tourney with such enthusiasm in the future. There are now over 50 teams? in the country. The tour is oversubscribed, and smaller tournaments like ours are the perfect places for those teams in the bottom divisions to get fun, and instructive competition. The smaller tournaments are what sold me on Ultimate in the first place, so why can't there be more like the great one run by Chaos, outdoors in the summer? Please note this is not an attack on the tour. I embrace the tour and what it's doing, and I don't see how it could have an effect on a small indoor tournament. So how about somebody tells me why tourneys like ours, and David McKays in Cambridge in the summer are being cancelled or downsized, or postponed. We will most likely try to run something in the new year, and hope to get a better response then. Please let me know if you're interested. Cheers A sad Sick Boy ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Colin "Sick Boy" Smith "K-Niggets" Ultimate Club Kingston University k967338@kingston.ac.uk Tel: (0181) 942 8050 From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Oct 21 17:32:11 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id RAA20518 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 17:15:11 +0100 (BST) Received: from cav.logica.co.uk (cav.logica.co.uk [158.234.10.66]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA20501 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 17:15:07 +0100 (BST) Received: from berry.logica.co.uk (berry.logica.co.uk [158.234.10.42]) by cav.logica.co.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA25030 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 17:15:06 +0100 Received: by berry.logica.co.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 17:15:05 +0100 Message-ID: <4FBF540FF16FD1119D9600A0C94B2B510129B172@napier.logica.co.uk> From: "Fane, Suzanne" To: "'Britdisc'" Subject: Lift from London to Leeds this weekend Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 17:14:42 +0100 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Is anyone driving up from London to Leeds for the Hong Kong Sevens tournament this weekend who could give me a lift? Thanks Suzy Fane (Sneeekys) Home: 0181 767 8243 Mobile: 0958 993 753 email: fanes@logica.com From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Oct 21 21:58:44 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id JAA12776 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 09:41:06 +0100 (BST) Received: from otto.crispgroup.co.uk (crispgroup.demon.co.uk [158.152.87.155]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA12736 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 09:41:00 +0100 (BST) Received: from [129.1.1.241] by otto.crispgroup.co.uk (NTMail 3.03.0017/1.aia2) with ESMTP id qa030124 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 09:35:56 +0100 Received: from [129.1.12.27] by homer.crispgroup.co.uk (NTMail 3.03.0012/1.aia2) with ESMTP id pa032983 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 09:34:17 +0100 Received: by raviben810.crispgroup.co.uk with Microsoft Mail id <01BDFCD7.26B360A0@raviben810.crispgroup.co.uk>; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 09:42:43 +0100 Message-ID: <01BDFCD7.26B360A0@raviben810.crispgroup.co.uk> From: Ben Ravilious To: "'Britdisc'" Subject: RE: Worlds Allocation - Scottish Teams Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 16:42:38 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Info: Crisp Computing Mail Server Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id JAA12759 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Scott, Mine was *not* the "final announcement" and my posting makes that quite clear. This is as much as we can be certain of for the time being and will put all the Chevvy/Shotgun players' minds at rest. Note the work "initial" in my first sentence! The Scottish issue is another matter. I agree it is a little strange that WFDF see fit to dictate quota's *within* a national federation's juristictions. Better wait for a BUF committee decision on this one..... Chris and I will no doubt want to check our job descriptions tonight too ;-) Ben -----Original Message----- From: Ian Scotland [SMTP:Scott@webleicester.net] Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 1998 12:40 PM To: 'Britdisc' Subject: Worlds Allocation - Scottish Teams Chris wrote: > Having just spoken with Charlie Mead (Worlds 99 TD, and chairman of the WFDF > Ultimate committee) the decision on how many teams going to worlds from each > country has NOT yet been taken. However I can give some definite information; and Ben wrote: > GB Quota Scottish Quota Division Size >Open 4 2 40 >Womens 2 reserve list 24 >Masters 1 reserve list 16 >Co-ed 1 1 16 Who do we believe? My question is this: Who is deciding on the 'Scottish Quota'? As I understand it from my years involved in the BUF (of which Scottish Ultimate is a part), the BUF get allocated a number of places which the BUF can then allocate as it sees fit - normally on Nationals finish. Has the BUF decided that the allocation will be split 4/2 based on an overall allocation of 6 places, or has the WFDF decided to give and EXTRA two places to Scottish teams as a special case? Or is the WFDF telling the BUF that their quota of teams should be split 4:2? I would be extremely distressed to find that the WFDF is making decissions on behalf of the BUF, but conversely extremely pleased to find that British clubs had gained an extra two places by virtue of a Scottish venue (World Clubs 2001 in Wales I say!). If, however, the BUF has decided that it's six places should be split 4/2, I would urge then to reconsider a 5/1 split - Sneeeky's being the only Scottish team that consistantly performed in the tour. Maybe I am jumping the gun, but I would like this explained BEFORE the final word on places is announced Scott Red From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Oct 21 21:59:55 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id LAA18187 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 11:46:31 +0100 (BST) Received: from larry.texcel.co.uk (larry.texcel.co.uk [195.40.103.11]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA18178 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 11:46:28 +0100 (BST) Received: from dreamer.demon.co.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by larry.texcel.co.uk (8.8.8/8.7.1) with ESMTP id LAA06295; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 11:46:16 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <362DBB77.329B49B2@dreamer.demon.co.uk> Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 11:46:15 +0100 From: Neil Travers Organization: Home(ish) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.5 sun4d) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: BritDisc Subject: London Practices Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk I'm trying to update my list of london practices (see sig for URL). So far I have details for Tooting Bec (mon), Lurkers (wed), and Playthings (thu). If there are any other practices happening in London, indoors or outdoors, please let me know. Please fill in the form at http://www.dreamer.demon.co.uk/london/add.htm or send me: practice day indoors/outdoors team where + directions contact details (to publish) start/end time cost Months/Season (or start/end date) type of practice (open/closed/restricted/check first) -- Neil Travers - home http://www.dreamer.demon.co.uk/london/ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Oct 22 11:05:38 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA22461 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 10:52:16 +0100 (BST) Received: from mercury.king.ac.uk (mercury.king.ac.uk [141.241.4.24]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA22448 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 10:52:13 +0100 (BST) Received: from bob.king.ac.uk by mercury.king.ac.uk with SMTP (MMTA 2) with ESMTP; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 10:52:05 +0100 Received: from BOB/SpoolDir by bob.king.ac.uk (Mercury 1.43); 22 Oct 98 10:52:04 +0100 Received: from SpoolDir by BOB (Mercury 1.43); 22 Oct 98 10:51:58 +0100 From: Sick Boy Organization: Kingston University To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 10:51:49 +0100 Subject: Quest stuff X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.54) Message-ID: Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Many responses to my last message. Thanks to those of you who offered advice/told me where I'd gone wrong. I'll do it better next time. Those of you who thought I'd taken it personally couldn't have been more wrong. It was purely frustration. We'd have loved to have run a nice low-key fun (full) tournament to introduce a few new players to Ultimate (hey, maybe even a few future GB players who'll end up being snobby about indoors). We will try again in the New Year, so expect an invite in the post. Cheers Colin ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Colin "Sick Boy" Smith "K-Niggets" Ultimate Club Kingston University k967338@kingston.ac.uk Tel: (0181) 942 8050 From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Oct 22 12:23:40 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA15178 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 12:07:18 +0100 (BST) Received: from polaris.bmpddb.com (mailhost.bmpddb.com [193.130.32.70]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA15051 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 12:06:53 +0100 (BST) Received: by POLARIS with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 12:05:42 +0100 Message-ID: From: David Trovell To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: GB Shirts Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 12:05:34 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk A message for all those who went to Worlds. As the blue GB shirts had the wrong colour writing on them I have battered the printer into submission and he is reprinting all the blues again for us. My problem is getting them to you all. The printers will post a load to up to 6 addresses for free. Who wants them? I'll take some to give out in London. Patch do you want the Juniors shirts? Anyone in Manchester who can give a load out? Where else? Ideas please. Dave From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Oct 22 13:21:23 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id NAA03259 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 13:06:27 +0100 (BST) Received: from hotmail.com (f179.hotmail.com [207.82.251.65]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA03243 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 13:06:23 +0100 (BST) Received: (qmail 23201 invoked by uid 0); 22 Oct 1998 12:05:51 -0000 Message-ID: <19981022120551.23200.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 146.80.9.65 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 05:05:51 PDT X-Originating-IP: [146.80.9.65] From: "Claire Ordoyno" To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: remove address Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 05:05:51 PDT Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Please remove the address claire.ordoyno@strath.ac.uk from britdisc end ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Oct 22 14:59:47 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id OAA29282 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 14:38:15 +0100 (BST) Received: from macondo.dmu.ac.uk (macondo.dmu.ac.uk [146.227.1.4]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA29230 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 14:38:07 +0100 (BST) Received: from ivanova.mk.dmu.ac.uk (ivanova.mk.dmu.ac.uk [146.227.122.9]) by macondo.dmu.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA27296 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 13:45:45 GMT Received: from UTAH/SpoolDir by ivanova.mk.dmu.ac.uk (Mercury 1.32); 22 Oct 98 14:44:15 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by UTAH (Mercury 1.32); 22 Oct 98 14:43:02 +0000 From: "Toby Terry" Organization: De Montfort Uni Milton Keynes To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 14:42:54 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Beardy get in contact (Haze) Reply-to: KCIS8TT@dmu.ac.uk X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.54) Message-ID: <3F577851A7C@ivanova.mk.dmu.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Cris Whight Give us a mail matey From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Oct 23 09:25:19 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id JAA25952 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 09:13:28 +0100 (BST) Received: from curlew.cs.man.ac.uk (curlew.cs.man.ac.uk [130.88.13.7]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA25936 for ; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 09:13:26 +0100 (BST) Received: from fs1.art.man.ac.uk ([130.88.57.1]) by curlew.cs.man.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #2) for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk id 0zWcLe-0006Fr-00; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 09:13:26 +0100 Received: from UK-AC-MAN-ART-FS1/SpoolDir by fs1.art.man.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); 23 Oct 98 09:13:25 GMT0BST Received: from SpoolDir by UK-AC-MAN-ART-FS1 (Mercury 1.43); 20 Oct 98 13:09:12 GMT0BST From: "Wigsy" Organization: University of Manchester To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 13:09:00 GMT0BST Subject: Re: Worlds Allocation - Scottish Teams Reply-to: mfix6can@stud.man.ac.uk X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <1F324B7014D@fs1.art.man.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Scott wrote: > I would be extremely distressed to find that the WFDF is making decissions > on behalf of the BUF, but conversely extremely pleased to find that British > clubs had gained an extra two places by virtue of a Scottish venue (World > Clubs 2001 in Wales I say!). If, however, the BUF has decided that it's six > places should be split 4/2, I would urge then to reconsider a 5/1 split - > Sneeeky's being the only Scottish team that consistantly performed in the > tour. Not sure of Nationals results but is this purely an altruistic question or have you got a more sinister motive? Wigsy, 22, JTM, Dad, Bouffant From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Oct 23 10:09:16 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id JAA06712 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 09:56:26 +0100 (BST) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA06665 for ; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 09:56:21 +0100 (BST) Received: from [158.152.203.174] (helo=[158.152.203.174]) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.05demon1 #1) id 0zWd17-0004P7-00 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 08:56:18 +0000 Subject: DoG give Furious a "sound thrashing" Date: Fri, 23 Oct 98 09:55:00 +0100 x-sender: ultimatum@pop3.demon.co.uk x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: Paul Hurt To: "BritDisc" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Message-Id: Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi Some of you may be interested to know that, at day 1 of UPA Nationals, Death or Glory evidently gave Canada's Furious George a "sound thrashing" (according to Jon Gewirtz). Don't know exact score. But FG had just come out of a very tough game against Sub Zero (Minnesota) so that may have been a factor. [FG represented Canada at Worlds in Minneapolis, and won the whole thing] DoG lead Pool A and Ring of Fire lead pool B Bye Paul --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Hurt Editor, Ultimatum Magazine, London, England editor@ultimatum.demon.co.uk Visit Ultimatum Online... http://www.ultimatum.demon.co.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Oct 23 10:47:36 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA17370 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 10:35:11 +0100 (BST) Received: from spey.st-andrews.ac.uk (root@spey.st-and.ac.uk [138.251.61.4]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA17363 for ; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 10:35:08 +0100 (BST) Received: from purds.st-andrews.ac.uk (jpg2@purds [138.251.34.20]) by spey.st-andrews.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA15225 for ; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 10:35:04 +0100 (BST) Received: from localhost by purds.st-andrews.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA24076 for ; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 10:35:00 +0100 (BST) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 10:35:00 +0100 (BST) From: Big Funky X-Sender: jpg2@st-andrews.ac.uk To: BritDisc Subject: Scott's comment on worlds allocations Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Scott, the Sneeeky's team was a combination of Edinburgh players and most of the best of the rest. Other Scotland players such as myself and MJ have tour commitments with club teams. Spicer and Charles decided to open up the Sneeeky's tour team to other players in Scotland so in an effort to get into the habbit of playing with each other for worlds the other Scottish players joined in. Why should Scotland now be punished by loosing a worlds allocation because we wanted to play together as build up for worlds?? Before this sparks off another closed minded argument from many people I completely understand why you would be unhappy with WFDF telling the BUF how to split a British allocation but please don't base you arguument against 2 Scottish open teams on the fact that only a team called Sneeeky's played on the tour. There are A LOT of players up here who are only willing to play in worlds because they think they will be on the second team - they don't feel confident enough to play on the Scottish national team, to put the other side of the argument 2 Scottish teams would be fantastic for futhering the standard of Scottish ultimate. People up here are really looking foward to worlds just for a chance to play, I would hate to see that chance taken away from so many up and comming young Scottish players. Jon Good aka 'Big Funky' of 'Funkian' and 'More than just a Hint' aka 'Frank LeBoeuf' of 'Blue Arse Flies' D.O.P.A. S.A.U. (underground) Wine Soc. Captain S.A.U.U.F.C. - Flying Sorcerers The loneliest man since time began - all air-fare donations gratefully received World of Crack! "Je suis la poisson d'amour" From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Oct 23 11:29:07 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id LAA28920 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 11:15:49 +0100 (BST) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA28904 for ; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 11:15:45 +0100 (BST) Received: from [158.152.203.174] (helo=[158.152.203.174]) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.05demon1 #1) id 0zWeFz-0002rP-00 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 10:15:43 +0000 Subject: Ultimatum stories needed Date: Fri, 23 Oct 98 11:14:26 +0100 x-sender: ultimatum@pop3.demon.co.uk x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: Paul Hurt To: "BritDisc" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Message-Id: Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi all About Ultimatum.... Yes, there hasn't been one for a while. Here's what's happening. There was due to be an August issue, but it was decided to hold it over until we got back from Worlds, so we could get GB at Worlds info in it. But even so, at that stage there was still stuff that needed reporting - primarily the conclusion of the Tour. Despite scouting around, I couldn't find anyone willing to write anything (and I was only looking for 200 words or so, to go on the web site). Anyways, I have now had GB Open and GB Women reports on Worlds (thanks Jeff and 'Becca). So this is good. But we've also had three Tour dates, Nationals and Women's Nationals since then. Does anyone want to write something about these? Here's some possible topics: * Tour wrap-up * nice knowing you, Shot-gone * Nationals * Women's Nationals * New BUF officers * What ought to happen with the Tour next year? * absolutely anything else you fancy writing about You don't need to be a world-authority on Ultimate. You don't have to have taken point-by-point notes on everyone's games. You don't need to re-write War and Peace. You just need to have something to say. If no-one comes forward to write anything, I will just publish what I have about Worlds and everything else will go un-mentioned. When you think about it, 1998 has been a real turning point in British Ultimate. It would be a shame for events to pass us by un-documented. So please, offer your services! Thanks Paul P.S. For your information, the Ultimatum web site has been getting huge accolades from foreign players. We are the envy of Ultimate Associations around the world. U.S. players are complaining, asking why the UPA doesn't have anything like it. However, players here don't seem to give a stuff, and so the site hasn't been updated for months, because there's nothing to update it with. Because, unfortunately, stories on the website (and in the newsletter) don't write themselves. So let me see if I've got this straight. We love this game. We think (we *know*) it deserves to be on telly/be an Olympic sport/be part of the National Curriculum/whatever. We want to see it succeed. At the very least, we want to stop having to justify the sport's existence all the time. But we expect other people to make all this happen. I need YOU to take a more active interest in Ultimatum. Otherwise the web site will go off-line and the newsletter will disappear (though if you insist, we can hand out sheets of blank paper with "Ultimatum" printed at the top.) Sorry for the rant, but this honestly is the situation. Ultimatum is supposed to be *your* publication. Like they say, "Use it, or lose it". --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Hurt Editor, Ultimatum Magazine, London, England editor@ultimatum.demon.co.uk Visit Ultimatum Online... http://www.ultimatum.demon.co.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Oct 23 12:32:44 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA18336 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 12:19:18 +0100 (BST) Received: from venus.open.ac.uk (venus.open.ac.uk [137.108.143.2]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA18328 for ; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 12:19:17 +0100 (BST) From: P.M.Connor@open.ac.uk Message-Id: <199810231119.MAA18328@pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Received: from 1228584.open.ac.uk (actually host dhcp-pentz-129.open.ac.uk) by venus with SMTP Local (MMTA v2.2); Fri, 23 Oct 1998 12:15:36 +0100 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 12:15:34 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: DoG give Furious a "sound thrashing" In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk 15-9 according to rec.sport.disc(IIRC), where I think you might be able to get regular updates if you're interested, Pete Connor > Hi > > Some of you may be interested to know that, at day 1 of UPA Nationals, > Death or Glory evidently gave Canada's Furious George a "sound thrashing" > (according to Jon Gewirtz). Don't know exact score. But FG had just come > out of a very tough game against Sub Zero (Minnesota) so that may have > been a factor. > > [FG represented Canada at Worlds in Minneapolis, and won the whole thing] > > DoG lead Pool A and Ring of Fire lead pool B > > Bye > > Paul > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Paul Hurt > Editor, Ultimatum Magazine, London, England > editor@ultimatum.demon.co.uk > > Visit Ultimatum Online... > http://www.ultimatum.demon.co.uk > > From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Oct 23 13:47:34 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id NAA08473 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 13:34:12 +0100 (BST) Received: from smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk ([62.172.72.129]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA08456 for ; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 13:34:09 +0100 (BST) From: Wayne_Retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk Received: from ccMail by smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk (IMA Internet Exchange 3.01 Enterprise) id 00020651; Fri, 23 Oct 98 13:28:42 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 11:13:57 +0100 Message-ID: <00020651.CE21337@watsonwyatt.co.uk> Subject: Re[2]: Worlds Allocation - Scottish Teams To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk "Wigsy" wrote: >Scott wrote: >>If, however, the BUF has decided that it's six places should be split 4/2, >>I would urge then to reconsider a 5/1 split - >>Sneeeky's being the only Scottish team that consistantly performed in >>the tour. >Not sure of Nationals results but is this purely an altruistic >question or have you got a more sinister motive? >Wigsy, Christian Maybe you boys "at the top" should pay a little more attention to the goings-on lower down the rankings (or risk being toppled a la Druids) 1. Catch 22 2. UTI 3= Chevron Action Flash 3= Shotgun 5. Fluid Druids 6. Headrush ... so (whether Shotgun reincarnates or not) unless Scott's thinking of changing teams (can YOU imagine "Purple and Lime don't go" Scott as Scum?) he's not got a more sinister motive Wayne Druid Scum, (unless qualification's in doubt...) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Oct 23 14:17:20 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id OAA16662 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 14:04:08 +0100 (BST) Received: from mercury.king.ac.uk (mercury.king.ac.uk [141.241.4.24]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA16656 for ; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 14:04:06 +0100 (BST) Received: from bob.king.ac.uk by mercury.king.ac.uk with SMTP (MMTA 2) with ESMTP; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 13:59:20 +0100 Received: from BOB/SpoolDir by bob.king.ac.uk (Mercury 1.43); 23 Oct 98 13:59:20 +0100 Received: from SpoolDir by BOB (Mercury 1.43); 23 Oct 98 13:58:52 +0100 From: Sick Boy Organization: Kingston University To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 13:58:44 +0100 Subject: Student Leagues X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.54) Message-ID: Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Please could the organisers of the various regional student leages contact me. I'd like to see if there's some way of unifying these leagues into a "world series" type knock out at the end of the academic year. I'm running the SE league. Cheers Colin ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Colin "Sick Boy" Smith "K-Niggets" Ultimate Club Kingston University k967338@kingston.ac.uk Tel: (0181) 942 8050 From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Oct 23 14:17:51 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id OAA17880 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 14:08:51 +0100 (BST) Received: from mailhost.dircon.co.uk (mailhost.dircon.co.uk [194.112.32.65]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA17873 for ; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 14:08:49 +0100 (BST) Received: from [194.112.53.150] (th-en134-150.pool.dircon.co.uk [194.112.53.150]) by mailhost.dircon.co.uk (8.9.1/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA23378 for ; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 14:08:48 +0100 (BST) Subject: Where are U, TI??? Message-Id: <000000307322991988671@daletaylor.co.uk> From: nolan@daletaylor.co.uk (Nolan Taylor, Dale Taylor Ltd) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 12:57:51 +0100 Organization: Dale Taylor Ltd X-Mailer: CommuniGate 2.9.8 Reply-To: nolan@daletaylor.co.uk (Nolan Taylor, Dale Taylor Ltd) To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Britdisc) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id OAA17875 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Does anybody out there know the whereabouts of the UTI cheque book??? There is still GBP90 owing from UTI in respect of the British Open which finished on 13th September!!! Will someone please contact me and SORT IT OUT! Cheque should be made payable to 'British Open' and sent to... BritOpen98 Admin Office 3 Wish Road Eastbourne East Sussex BN21 4NX TODAY PLEASE! Nolan --------------------------------------- British Open 98 Email: open98@daletaylor.co.uk Tel: 01323 430700 Fax: 01323 430223 --------------------------------------- From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sat Oct 24 05:32:52 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id FAA12149 for britdisc-outgoing; Sat, 24 Oct 1998 05:16:07 +0100 (BST) Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (imo19.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.9]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id FAA12142 for ; Sat, 24 Oct 1998 05:16:05 +0100 (BST) From: Tebewebb@aol.com Received: from Tebewebb@aol.com by imo19.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id NSLZa04680; Sat, 24 Oct 1998 00:15:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 00:15:21 EDT To: paul@ultimatum.demon.co.uk, britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: DoG give Furious a "sound thrashing" Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Not that any of you care all that much, but I'm playing Masters at Nationals w/ DC. We're 3 and 3 and in the semis! Which pretty much means we're old and don't entirely suck. After Day 2, DoG and Ring (North Carolina) still top their pools, but haven't been able to see any of the games. Lady Godiva and Verge top the women's pools, all four undefeated. Stephen formerly Gun, always Happy, now Pocomoke From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sat Oct 24 20:18:43 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id UAA10013 for britdisc-outgoing; Sat, 24 Oct 1998 20:04:10 +0100 (BST) Received: from relay05.netaddress.usa.net (relay05.netaddress.usa.net [204.68.24.185]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id UAA10000 for ; Sat, 24 Oct 1998 20:04:02 +0100 (BST) Received: (qmail 26992 invoked from network); 24 Oct 1998 19:03:59 -0000 Received: from www0s.netaddress.usa.net (204.68.24.48) by outbound.netaddress.usa.net with SMTP; 24 Oct 1998 19:03:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 12514 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Oct 1998 17:05:16 -0000 Message-ID: <19981024170516.12513.qmail@www0s.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 194.125.60.97 by www.netaddress.com via web-mailer(3.1) on Sat Oct 24 17:05:16 GMT 1998 Date: 24 Oct 98 13:05:16 EDT From: Jock Doubleday To: garreth.mcfeely@iveagh.irlgov.ie Subject: Ulti CC: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk, EuroDisc@ira.uka.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk To: Gareth McFeely From: Jock Doubleday Hey Gareth, I arrived in Dublin today (Oct 24) from America via Amsterdam, and I want to play some Ultimate. Can you hook me up? I'll be here at least three months, hopefully longer. Thanks! Jock ____________________________________________________________________ Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sun Oct 25 19:42:52 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id TAA02522 for britdisc-outgoing; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 19:30:52 GMT Received: from mail-gw1.webleicester.net (mailgate.webleicester.co.uk [195.146.160.12]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA02512 for ; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 19:30:50 GMT Received: from pii266 (pool-pri2-057.webleicester.co.uk [195.146.164.57]) by mail-gw1.webleicester.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id TAA09510 for ; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 19:27:04 GMT Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 19:35:29 -0000 Message-ID: <01BE004E.9F406840.bravil@webleicester.co.uk> From: Ben Ravilious Reply-To: "bravil@webleicester.co.uk" To: "'Britdisc'" Subject: World Clubs Co-ed & Masters Divisions Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 19:33:29 -0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk If you are interested in entering a team for either the Co-ed or Masters divisions at the 1999 World Clubs please make yourself known within the next couple of weeks. At this stage we're not expecting any concrete commitment, just an idea of levels of interest. Any teams which might be interested should they fail to qualify for the Open division should also let me know. Depending on the response, we will then decide on the best way to allocate these slots. (A play-off, Tour positions, toss a coin(!) - Any opinions out there?) Thanks Ben BUF Sec. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sun Oct 25 21:12:26 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id UAA10175 for britdisc-outgoing; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 20:59:40 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA10170 for ; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 20:59:39 GMT Received: from [193.237.186.117] (helo=[193.237.186.117]) by post.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.05demon1 #1) id 0zXXGE-0001l0-00 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 20:59:39 +0000 X-Sender: lenchdesign@pop3.demon.co.uk Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: lenchdesign Subject: remove from list Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 20:59:39 +0000 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk please remove this address from list From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Oct 26 07:58:43 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id HAA16916 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 07:47:03 GMT Received: from gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (ralf@gem [137.205.227.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA16911 for ; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 07:47:02 GMT Received: (from ralf@localhost) by gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id HAA02082 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 07:47:01 GMT Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 07:47:01 GMT From: Ranulf Doswell Message-Id: <199810260747.HAA02082@gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: BFDF Events Reminder Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk British Flying Disc Federation Disc Events Diary ------------------------------------------------ The events list can also be found at http://www.dcs.warwick.ac.uk/~ralf/bfdf/ ---------- Saturday 7th November 1998 BDGA Singles Matchplay (2 days) @ TBC [Golf] Contact Andy Lucey Phone 0181 767 6766 Saturday 21st November 1998 Student Indoor Midland Qualifiers (2 days) [Students' Indoor Ultimate] Contact Simon Weeks Address 74 Commonside Sheffeild S10 1GG Email gga95sew@sheffield.ac.uk Phone 0114 266 2304 Saturday 28th November 1998 Student Indoor South West Qualifiers (2 days) @ Cardiff [Students' Indoor Ultimate] Contact Dave Barnard Email BarnardDW@cardiff.ac.uk Phone 0411 691129 Saturday 9th January 1999 Red Co-ed Indoors (2 days) @ Aylestone Leisure Centre, Leicester. [Indoor Ultimate] note change of venue Contact Leicester Ultimate Club (Red) Address PO Box 1075 Leicester LE2 1YQ Email red@ultimateweb.co.uk Phone 0116 2559638 (Ben Ravilious) Saturday 27th February 1999 National Student Indoors (2 days) @ Leeds [Students' Indoor Ultimate] TD Jon Chewins Email bgy6jgc@South-02.novell.leeds.ac.uk Saturday 6th March 1999 Indoor Regionals (2 days) [Indoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Saturday 13th March 1999 Indoor Regionals (2 days) [Indoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Saturday 20th March 1999 Indoor Nationals (2 days) [Indoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Saturday 27th March 1999 Red Outdoors (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Leicester Ultimate Club (Red) Address PO Box 1075 Leicester LE2 1YQ Email red@ultimateweb.co.uk Phone 0116 2559638 (Ben Ravilious) Saturday 3rd April 1999 Dublin Outdoors (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 10th April 1999 Tour I (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Saturday 1st May 1999 Brugge (2 days) TBC [Outdoor Ultimate Abroad] Saturday 8th May 1999 Tour II (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Thursday 13th May 1999 Rotterdam (4 days) TBC [Outdoor Ultimate Abroad] Saturday 5th June 1999 Tour III (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Saturday 12th June 1999 Fiesta (2 days) TBC [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Laura Lafave Email lafave@cs.bris.ac.uk Phone (w) +44-117-954 5128 Saturday 26th June 1999 Tour IV (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Wednesday 7th July 1999 Worlds (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate Abroad] Wednesday 14th July 1999 Worlds (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate Abroad] Saturday 17th July 1999 Tour V (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Saturday 24th July 1999 Ross on Wye (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 25th September 1999 Nationals (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk ---------------------------------------------------------- British Flying Disc Federation Disc Events Diary http://www.dcs.warwick.ac.uk/~ralf/bfdf/ Ranulf Doswell, ralf@dcs.warwick.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Oct 26 08:46:15 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id IAA20456 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 08:31:25 GMT Received: from panduit.de (mail.panduit.de [195.88.88.125]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA20439 for ; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 08:31:20 GMT Received: from D-Message_Server by panduit.de with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 09:38:17 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 08:32:33 +0100 From: "Paolo A. Nistri" To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk, Wayne_Retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk Subject: Re[2]: Worlds Allocation - Scottish Teams -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Erm, Wayne, when have druids EVER been at the top??? Must have missed that one. P. >>> 10/23/98 11:13am >>> "Wigsy" wrote: >Scott wrote: >>If, however, the BUF has decided that it's six places should be split 4/2, >>I would urge then to reconsider a 5/1 split - >>Sneeeky's being the only Scottish team that consistantly performed in >>the tour. >Not sure of Nationals results but is this purely an altruistic >question or have you got a more sinister motive? >Wigsy, Christian Maybe you boys "at the top" should pay a little more attention to the goings-on lower down the rankings (or risk being toppled a la Druids) 1. Catch 22 2. UTI 3= Chevron Action Flash 3= Shotgun 5. Fluid Druids 6. Headrush ... so (whether Shotgun reincarnates or not) unless Scott's thinking of changing teams (can YOU imagine "Purple and Lime don't go" Scott as Scum?) he's not got a more sinister motive Wayne Druid Scum, (unless qualification's in doubt...) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Oct 26 10:15:29 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA08158 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 10:02:45 GMT Received: from tgis.co.uk (galahad.tgis.co.uk [195.188.4.6]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA08151 for ; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 10:02:42 GMT Received: from syscap.com (p026.5399-3.saturn.ispc.net [212.46.128.166]) by tgis.co.uk (8.8.7/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA30047; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 10:02:29 GMT Posted-Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 10:02:29 GMT Received: from [195.188.6.81] by syscap.com Mon, 26 Oct 98 09:53:06 +0000 X-Sender: pharvey@195.188.6.1 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 09:55:32 +0000 To: "Paolo A. Nistri" , britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk, Wayne_Retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk From: pharvey@syscap.com (Peter Harvey) Subject: Re[2]: Worlds Allocation - Scottish Teams -Reply Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Didn't druids win a tournament. once. Harv At 8:32 am 26/10/98, Paolo A. Nistri wrote: >Erm, Wayne, when have druids EVER been at the top??? Must have >missed that one. > >P. > >>>> 10/23/98 11:13am >>> >"Wigsy" wrote: >>Scott wrote: > >>>If, however, the BUF has decided that it's six places should be split >4/2, >>>I would urge then to reconsider a 5/1 split - >>>Sneeeky's being the only Scottish team that consistantly performed in >>>the tour. > >>Not sure of Nationals results but is this purely an altruistic >>question or have you got a more sinister motive? >>Wigsy, > >Christian > >Maybe you boys "at the top" should pay a little more attention to the >goings-on >lower down the rankings (or risk being toppled a la Druids) > >1. Catch 22 >2. UTI >3= Chevron Action Flash >3= Shotgun >5. Fluid Druids >6. Headrush > >... so (whether Shotgun reincarnates or not) unless Scott's thinking of >changing >teams (can YOU imagine "Purple and Lime don't go" Scott as Scum?) he's >not got a >more sinister motive > >Wayne >Druid Scum, (unless qualification's in doubt...) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Oct 26 12:11:08 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id LAA09721 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 11:56:16 GMT Received: from epunix.biols.susx.ac.uk (root@epunix.biols.susx.ac.uk [139.184.162.2]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA09687 for ; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 11:56:12 GMT Received: from localhost (4787 bytes) by epunix.biols.susx.ac.uk via sendmail with P:stdio/R:acukbind/T:smtp (sender: ) (ident using unix) id for ; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 11:56:08 +0000 (GMT) (Smail-3.2.0.101 1997-Dec-17 #10 built 1998-Feb-1) Message-Id: From: kevinbr@biols.susx.ac.uk (Kevin Brooks) Subject: Re: Scott's comment on worlds allocations To: jpg2@st-andrews.ac.uk (Big Funky) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 11:56:08 +0000 (GMT) Cc: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk In-Reply-To: from "Big Funky" at Oct 23, 98 10:35:00 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL20] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk I hope I'm not starting the 'closed minded argument' that Jon was talking about, but this is a discussion forum, so... I must admit, I find it a bit strange that Scotland has been singled out for *extra* places in Worlds at all. I know the tournament happens to be in Scotland, but were English teams allocated for *extra* places, which could not have been filled by other BUF clubs when it was held in Colchester (before my time)? Was ESSEX given an allocation for itself? Or, equally, if the top teams in the BUF happened to have been Scottish, then would they still have had their 2 *extra* places? Surely the BUF should be aiming to enter the strongest possible set of BUF teams, regardless of geography? I was under the impression that the tour was there (in part) to find out who those teams are. Surely this years tour results are relevant, then. And what is this about a Scottish National team? Isn't this World CLUBS we're talking about? > players up here > who are only willing to play in worlds because they think they will be > on the second team - they don't feel confident enough to play on the > Scottish national team, The idea that these people should play in a World Championships would shock people in most sports. I'm also keen that such people should gain experience, but we are hosting the most prestigious Ultimate tournament in the world next year. This is a showcase to the rest of the world, not a beginners' training camp (no offense meant). Shouldn't we have only the most able taking part? There are also very able players on British teams who want to play and will miss out if extra places are given to teams who have not justified their entry via the competitive structure of the Tour (or whatever). Why should they miss out? > to put the other side of the argument 2 Scottish teams > would be fantastic for furthering the standard of Scottish ultimate ...at the expense of *British* Ultimate. No one can blame enthusiasts for wanting to go to Worlds, but the fact that some people live a little bit closer to the venue than others seems irrelevant to me - we're all in the BUF. The BRITISH Ultimate Federation. There really should not be one set of rules for some, and one for the others. If you want to go to worlds but didn't qualify, then go and spectate or better still, volunteer to help out. I'm sure it'll be a great experience anyway. Perhaps there is an obvious reason, and I'm just being dense, but can anyone explain to me why teams in any region of the BUF's jurisdiction should have any preferential treatment? Locks. > > Scott, > the Sneeeky's team was a combination of Edinburgh players and most > of the best of the rest. Other Scotland players such as myself and MJ have > tour commitments with club teams. Spicer and Charles decided to open up > the Sneeeky's tour team to other players in Scotland so in an effort to > get into the habbit of playing with each other for worlds the other > Scottish players joined in. Why should Scotland now be punished by loosing > a worlds allocation because we wanted to play together as build up for > worlds?? Before this sparks off another closed minded argument from many > people I completely understand why you would be unhappy with WFDF telling > the BUF how to split a British allocation but please don't base you > arguument against 2 Scottish open teams on the fact that only a team > called Sneeeky's played on the tour. There are A LOT of players up here > who are only willing to play in worlds because they think they will be on > the second team - they don't feel confident enough to play on the Scottish > national team, to put the other side of the argument 2 Scottish teams > would be fantastic for futhering the standard of Scottish ultimate. People > up here are really looking foward to worlds just for a chance to play, I > would hate to see that chance taken away from so many up and comming young > Scottish players. > > Jon Good > aka 'Big Funky' of 'Funkian' and 'More than just a Hint' > aka 'Frank LeBoeuf' of 'Blue Arse Flies' > D.O.P.A. S.A.U. (underground) Wine Soc. > Captain S.A.U.U.F.C. - Flying Sorcerers > The loneliest man since time began - all air-fare donations gratefully > received > World of Crack! > > "Je suis la poisson d'amour" > > From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Oct 26 13:11:25 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA27183 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 12:56:59 GMT Received: from mail-gw1.webleicester.net (mailgate.webleicester.co.uk [195.146.160.12]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA27175 for ; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 12:56:56 GMT Received: from pii266 (pool-pri2-036.webleicester.co.uk [195.146.164.36]) by mail-gw1.webleicester.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id MAA16608 for ; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 12:53:04 GMT Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 13:01:35 -0000 Message-ID: <01BE00E0.C3297160.bravil@webleicester.co.uk> From: Ben Ravilious Reply-To: "bravil@webleicester.co.uk" To: "'Britdisc'" Subject: Experienced US player in Hampshire seeks... Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 12:59:35 -0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk [BR] This bloke is looking for a team. Skunks? BGA? Mohawks? Form an orderly queue....... Ben -----Original Message----- From: Steven McDowell [mailto:mcdowell@maxwell.com] Sent: 22 October 1998 14:04 To: BUF Subject: BUF Web Page Enquiry You have had the following enquiry via the BUF web site Name: Steven McDowell Address1: Ridgway, Havant, Hampshire Address2: Post Code: Telephone: 01705 424852 Fax: Message: Looking for team/players that meet on a semi-weekly basis in the Hampshire, Sussexx area. Will be based in England for 2 years. Been playing for the last 10 years with guys that have place on Regional and National US Teams (Squids, Hammerheads, etc) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Oct 26 14:18:09 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id OAA18910 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 14:05:53 GMT Received: from panduit.de (mail.panduit.de [195.88.88.125]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA18855 for ; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 14:05:44 GMT Received: from D-Message_Server by panduit.de with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 15:12:47 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 14:07:40 +0100 From: "Paolo A. Nistri" To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk, pharvey@syscap.com, Wayne_Retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk Subject: Re[2]: Worlds Allocation - Scottish Teams -Reply -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk YEAH!! I remember them winning SCHMINDOORS a couple of times...isn't that like winning the FA Vase that no-one a)knows anything about or b)WANTS to know anything about. Laters, P >>> Peter Harvey 10/26/98 10:55am >>> Didn't druids win a tournament. once. Harv At 8:32 am 26/10/98, Paolo A. Nistri wrote: >Erm, Wayne, when have druids EVER been at the top??? Must have >missed that one. > >P. > >>>> 10/23/98 11:13am >>> >"Wigsy" wrote: >>Scott wrote: > >>>If, however, the BUF has decided that it's six places should be split >4/2, >>>I would urge then to reconsider a 5/1 split - >>>Sneeeky's being the only Scottish team that consistantly performed in >>>the tour. > >>Not sure of Nationals results but is this purely an altruistic >>question or have you got a more sinister motive? >>Wigsy, > >Christian > >Maybe you boys "at the top" should pay a little more attention to the >goings-on >lower down the rankings (or risk being toppled a la Druids) > >1. Catch 22 >2. UTI >3= Chevron Action Flash >3= Shotgun >5. Fluid Druids >6. Headrush > >... so (whether Shotgun reincarnates or not) unless Scott's thinking of >changing >teams (can YOU imagine "Purple and Lime don't go" Scott as Scum?) he's >not got a >more sinister motive > >Wayne >Druid Scum, (unless qualification's in doubt...) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Oct 26 14:27:15 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id OAA24572 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 14:24:25 GMT Received: from shrimp.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (ralf@shrimp [137.205.227.130]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA24527 for ; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 14:24:20 GMT Received: (from ralf@localhost) by shrimp.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id OAA20010 for britdisc@csv; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 14:25:42 GMT From: Ralf Message-Id: <199810261425.OAA20010@shrimp.dcs.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: BOUNCE britdisc@warwick.ac.uk To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 14:25:42 +0000 (GMT) X-Quote: Productivity is in the eye of the beholder. X-Quote: The closest to perfection a person ever comes is when they fill out a job application. X-Quote: For every credibility gap, there's a gullibility fill. X-Freedom: 86 days... X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL35 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk ----- Forwarded message from owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk ----- From: BA Cadets Subject: Oxford Ultimate Reply-To: jazzman@cadets.clara.net Organization: British Airways Message-Id: <981022183637.n0005753.cadets@mail.clara.net> X-Mailer: atlantis mail 32 Date: Thu, 22 Oct 98 18:36:37 BST Dear All, Firstly apologies to those of you who have nothing to do with Ultimate in Oxford, please feel free to leave and delete me now. I'm back living in Oxford again for about the next year or so and was wondering what you're practice schedule is. I went to some of your mid-week practices at the Angel and Greyhound Meadows in town but now that the evenings are setting in I was wondering 1) If you have other practices during the winter time (preferably outdoors, but indoors is welcome too). 2) If so, where? 3) Are they open to fools like me just turning up? Ta very much. Ian Cuddihy Night Fever (ex Fingers 6) ----- End of forwarded message from owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk ----- ____ ____ _ _ ____ .----------------------------------------. _\__ \ _\__ \ / \ / \\__/ | Ranulf Doswell | / \_/ /_ / \_/ \ / / / /___ | Department of Computer Science | \ __ \\ __ \\ \ _\ \\_/ |University of Warwick, COVENTRY, CV4 7AL| \ \ \ \\ \ \ \\ \__/ \\ \ | Phone: 01203 523296 Fax: 01203 525714 | \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \______/ \_/ `----------------------------------------' From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Oct 26 15:46:24 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id PAA15937 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 15:34:30 GMT Received: from drawbridge.ascend.com (drawbridge.ascend.com [198.4.92.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA15763 for ; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 15:34:05 GMT Received: from fw-ext.ascend.com (fw-ext [198.4.92.5]) by drawbridge.ascend.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id HAA24217; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 07:33:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from russet.ascend.com by fw-ext.ascend.com via smtpd (for drawbridge.ascend.com [198.4.92.1]) with SMTP; 26 Oct 1998 15:33:43 UT Received: from ascend.com by ascend.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id HAA29761; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 07:34:02 -0800 Received: from awilson-pc by snoopy.eng.ascend.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id PAA04875; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 15:27:59 GMT Message-Id: <4.1.19981026142342.00a10220@snoopy.eng.ascend.com> X-Sender: awilson@snoopy.eng.ascend.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 15:26:45 +0000 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: Andrew Wilson Subject: Is Scotland a Country? (was Re: Scott's comment on worlds allocations) Cc: kevinbr@biols.susx.ac.uk (Kevin Brooks) In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk At 11:56 AM 10/26/98 , Kevin Brooks wrote: > >I hope I'm not starting the 'closed minded argument' that Jon was talking >about, but this is a discussion forum, so... > Discussion is good. It's important that if there are 'grievances' of any kind get discussed and not bottled up. Not that that's likely on Britdisc :-) > >I must admit, I find it a bit strange that Scotland has been singled out >for *extra* places in Worlds at all. I know the tournament happens to be >in Scotland, but were English teams allocated for *extra* places, which >could not have been filled by other BUF clubs when it was held in >Colchester (before my time)? Was ESSEX given an allocation for itself? >Or, equally, if the top teams in the BUF happened to have been >Scottish, then would they still have had their 2 *extra* places? I agree that Scotland has been made a special case this year, but hopefully for reasons most of us can agree with. Your Essex argument is silly. Essex isn't a country, so of course it shouldn't go to World Clubs as Host Nation. You could argue that in British Ultimate, Scotland isn't a country... This is the crux of the issue. FYI Colchester 94 was WUGC (ie national teams). Street (Glastonbury) 95 was WUCC (clubs). As it turned out there were 'extra' English teams, or more correctly, BUF teams, to fill up the numbers after other countries dropped out. > >Surely the BUF should be aiming to enter the strongest possible >set of BUF teams, regardless of geography? I was under the >impression that the tour was there (in part) to find out who those teams >are. Surely this years tour results are relevant, then. And what is this >about a Scottish National team? Isn't this World CLUBS we're talking >about? > Jon is referring to the Sneeekys team that played the Tour last year. It's not a 'Scottish National Team'. Players from St Andrews and Glasgow played for Sneeekys because their usual clubs couldn't make all the tour tournaments. This was all well within the tour rules. Don't forget that we have to make a minibus trip of 5-10 hours each way to go to the tournaments that most UK players drive to on a Saturday morning and get home on a Sunday before the pubs shut. Even with our civilised drinking hours this is a rare novelty for us :-) > >The idea that these people should play in a World Championships would >shock people in most sports. I'm also keen that such people should gain >experience, but we are hosting the most prestigious Ultimate tournament >in the world next year. This is a showcase to the rest of the world, not >a beginners' training camp (no offense meant). None taken. There won't be any beginners playing for Scottish teams at Worlds. >Perhaps there is an obvious reason, and I'm just being dense, but can >anyone explain to me why teams in any region of the BUF's jurisdiction >should have any preferential treatment? > It would look a bit silly to the rest of the world if the host nation wasn't represented. In their eyes, they are going to Scotland, rather than Britain. Believe me, I've travelled - the rest of the world can't get their heads round the UK. Sorry for boring those of you who aren't interested. Andrew (Miggins) Sneeekys From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Oct 26 17:10:17 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id QAA09740 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 16:53:06 GMT Received: from epunix.biols.susx.ac.uk (root@epunix.biols.susx.ac.uk [139.184.162.2]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id QAA09703 for ; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 16:53:01 GMT Received: from localhost (4653 bytes) by epunix.biols.susx.ac.uk via sendmail with P:stdio/R:acukbind/T:smtp (sender: ) (ident using unix) id for ; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 16:52:41 +0000 (GMT) (Smail-3.2.0.101 1997-Dec-17 #10 built 1998-Feb-1) Message-Id: From: kevinbr@biols.susx.ac.uk (Kevin Brooks) Subject: Re: Is Scotland a Country? (was Re: Scott's comment on worlds To: awilson@ascend.com (Andrew Wilson) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 16:52:41 +0000 (GMT) Cc: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk, kevinbr@biols.susx.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <4.1.19981026142342.00a10220@snoopy.eng.ascend.com> from "Andrew Wilson" at Oct 26, 98 03:26:45 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL20] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk > I agree that Scotland has been made a special case this year, but hopefully > for reasons most of us can agree with. Then please state them, that's all I ask. I'm not trying to put anyone down, especially not the likes of Sneeeky's, Mud Culture, Flying Sorcerers, etc, all of whom I have much respect for. I just want to understand the logic of the whole thing. > Your Essex argument is silly. Essex > isn't a country, so of course it shouldn't go to World Clubs as Host > Nation. You could argue that in British Ultimate, Scotland isn't a > country... This is the crux of the issue. > Yes - the Essex point was meant to be silly. It highlighted the fact that since there is no Essex Ultimate Federation, representing the independent nation of Essex, containing teams that do not have the chance of earning their right to play in WUCC in the BUF Tour, that they wouldn't have been given extra places. That would have been silly. It wasn't, and isn't supposed to be offensive to Scots. And neither are any of my other points, before I start to lose friends. The issue certainly isn't whether Scotland is a nation (ie generally, politically, etc), but in Ultimate they fall, just as we English do, under the auspices of the BUF. [Aside: If it were being held in Cardiff, would/should 2 Welsh teams be allowed to enter *in addition* to the number of Welsh teams that qualify BY RIGHT at the top of the tour table?] > FYI Colchester 94 was WUGC (ie national teams). Street (Glastonbury) 95 was > WUCC (clubs). My mistake - thanks for the correction. Like I said: before my time. > As it turned out there were 'extra' English teams, or more > correctly, BUF teams, to fill up the numbers after other countries dropped > out. > OK - read my message again. I wrote... ...were English teams allocated for *extra* places, which could not have been filled by other BUF clubs... By that, I meant extra places that could not have been filled by Scottish, Welsh or Irish teams, should they have proven themselves worthy by whatever selection procedure was around at the time. > Jon is referring to the Sneeekys team that played the Tour last year. It's > not a 'Scottish National Team'. Players from St Andrews and Glasgow played > for Sneeekys because their usual clubs couldn't make all the tour > tournaments. This was all well within the tour rules. Don't forget that we > have to make a mini-bus trip of 5-10 hours each way... I am not questioning the legitimacy of that practice, (indeed, I did it myself) and I certainly admire all of those players from far corners of the BUF who travel long distances so regularly to compete in BUF competitions. I do not envy them. But if you play as a team in the Tour, especially as Jon 'Big Funky' said (and I quote) "in an effort to get into the habit of playing with each other for worlds" then surely you should enter WUCC as the same team - assuming that you win the right to represent Britain in that tourney. > >Perhaps there is an obvious reason, and I'm just being dense, but can > >anyone explain to me why teams in any region of the BUF's jurisdiction > >should have any preferential treatment? > > It would look a bit silly to the rest of the world if the host nation > wasn't represented. In their eyes, they are going to Scotland, rather than > Britain. Believe me, I've traveled - the rest of the world can't get their > heads round the UK. Why should we pervert the selection procedure simply because there are a lot of people out there who don't understand the UK make-up? It's not the fault of the British clubs of proven higher quality who will suffer. The host nation is being represented. It's Britain. If there was a SUF, and SUF tour, etc. then I could understand it. Scottish teams are having two bites at the cherry - try to qualify via the tour, and if you can't, then well, don't worry: *whoever* will take pity on us and give us a place (or 2) anyway. If the tables were turned I'd find this completely insulting (though, of course, I'd take whatever I could get!). Looking forward to Edinburgh Beginners tourney, Locks, Mohawks et al. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Oct 26 17:33:33 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id RAA17114 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 17:16:40 GMT Received: from smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk ([62.172.72.129]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id RAA17099 for ; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 17:16:38 GMT From: Wayne_Retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk Received: from ccMail by smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk (IMA Internet Exchange 3.01 Enterprise) id 000216C7; Mon, 26 Oct 98 17:11:44 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 17:09:18 +0000 Message-ID: <000216C7.CE21337@watsonwyatt.co.uk> Subject: Re: Is Scotland a Country? (was Re: Scott's comment on wor To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk My twopenneth... As I understand it, countries [e.g. Scotland] haven't (maybe that should be appended "... as yet"?) qualified for "allocations" in World CLUB competitions until they have sent a NATIONAL team [i.e. Scotland (even if it is a club team playing under that name - like the Americans do)] to a WUGC or EUGC event. It's also possible that the nation also requires an official "Federation" or governing body [i.e Scottish Ultimate Federation] of it's own to qualify for such "allocations". Hence, the assorted Scottish teams that currently exist have (up to now) been included in the British (NOT English!) allocation. Locks' ESSEX analogy was maybe a little too exagerated - maybe better (?) to imagine WUCC held in Hawaii (technically part of the USA) and the Hawaians not being being "allocated" spaces... The potential problem - as soon as Scotland forms the SUF and sends a team to E/WUGC (which will probably happen in a few years...) the GB squad should cease to exist and should be replaced by the 4 (or 5, depending on how many Irelands there are) individual National Teams... then players will be restricted into which squad they can play for at E/WUGC, and what happens if/when one of them cannot muster an entire team... Wayne Retter wayne_retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Oct 26 23:02:06 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id WAA10638 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 22:50:01 GMT Received: from epunix.biols.susx.ac.uk (root@epunix.biols.susx.ac.uk [139.184.162.2]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id WAA10630 for ; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 22:49:59 GMT Received: from localhost (1457 bytes) by epunix.biols.susx.ac.uk via sendmail with P:stdio/R:acukbind/T:smtp (sender: ) (ident using unix) id for ; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 22:49:58 +0000 (GMT) (Smail-3.2.0.101 1997-Dec-17 #10 built 1998-Feb-1) Message-Id: From: kevinbr@biols.susx.ac.uk (Kevin Brooks) Subject: Hold yer horses, Lockster! To: Wayne_Retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 22:49:57 +0000 (GMT) Cc: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <000216C7.CE21337@watsonwyatt.co.uk> from "Wayne_Retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk" at Oct 26, 98 05:09:18 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL20] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk BD, Sorry for continuing to fill up your mail boxes with this shite, but it's just been pointed out to me that my argument rests on a very dodgy assumption: that the Scotish allocation of WUCC'99 places could be redistributed anywhere within BUF jurisdiction. Of course, this is not at all certain (see Scott's original message, 20/10/98). If it is not the case, i.e. if my assumption is incorrect, then I would hate to see Scottish teams denied the right to play. I was certainly not advocating that Scotland (and hence Britain) lose places allocated to them per se. The fact that Scotland has been granted *additional* places should really be looked at as a bonus. It's good for Scottish Ultimate. And if it's good for Scottish Ultimate, then it's good for British Ultimate. I suggest the best thing to do is to let it lie until we know for sure, and I'll avoid constructing arguments based on invalid assumptions. So there's no need to send the boys with the Claymores round just yet, OK? Locks From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Oct 26 23:21:27 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id XAA12896 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 23:10:25 GMT Received: from mail-gw1.webleicester.net (mailgate.webleicester.co.uk [195.146.160.12]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA12885 for ; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 23:10:22 GMT Received: from pii266 (pool-pri1-004.webleicester.co.uk [195.146.164.4]) by mail-gw1.webleicester.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id XAA23460 for ; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 23:06:28 GMT Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 23:15:04 -0000 Message-ID: <01BE0136.769831A0.bravil@webleicester.co.uk> From: Ben Ravilious Reply-To: "bravil@webleicester.co.uk" To: "'Britdisc'" Subject: Womens World Clubs Teams & GB Womens Coach Position Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 23:13:29 -0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Apologies for having not dealt with this sooner.... Minutes of the womens ultimate meeting at the womens nationals, 17th October are nearly done. I hope to get them out within a week. In the meantime.... Urgent Matters arising: The deadline for any third womens team for the 1999 World Clubs to make itself known is December 1st. The deadline for GB Womens Coach candidates is 30th November. Candidates should submit their bids to me. These will be treated in the strictest confidence. If any BUF officers should decide to stand then I will announce this and an alternative method for election will be used as discussed at the meeting at the womens nationals. Ben Ravilious Flat 206 York Place York Street Leicester LE1 6NU 0116 2559638 0403 460866 bravil@webleicester.co.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Oct 27 11:04:02 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA24560 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 10:51:15 GMT Received: from sand2.global.net.uk (sand2.global.net.uk [194.126.80.50]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA24535 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 10:51:12 GMT Received: from client080a.globalnet.co.uk ([195.147.8.10] helo=hebrides) by sand2.global.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 0zY6iV-0005vr-00 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 10:51:12 +0000 From: "Richie" To: "britdisc" Subject: Fw: Hong Kong 7's -Reply Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 10:52:23 -0000 Message-ID: <01be0197$e1139900$LocalHost@hebrides> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk The Catch boys and I thought that everyone should realise what a loser Paolo is, especially after his comment about indoors. This is a segment of a message Paolo sent me saying its too cold and wet to play at Hong Kong 7's at Leeds. Most of us had a great laugh at the Leeds mud festival. Richie Catch-22 Splitter Ex-Scum, but still Scum ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------- Richard Smart Hebrides Survey Services Ltd Tel:+44 (0)1993 776969 105 Wadards Meadow Mobile: +44 (0)468 048108 Witney, Oxon, UK E-mail: Richie@hebrides.co.uk OX8 6YW -----Original Message----- From: Paolo A. Nistri To: Richie@hebrides.co.uk Date: 23 October 1998 08:50 Subject: Hong Kong 7's -Reply > >If i were you i wouldn't bother tho'...weather forecast= rain, freezing >gales. better staying in bed!! > >Ciao mate! >P > >>>> "Richie" 10/22/98 01:57pm >>> >Do you guys require another lanky git this weekend? >If or if not I'll be coming up to pick up anyway. >Got directions? > >Richie >Catch-22 >Splitter Ex-Scum, but still Scum >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- - >--------------- >Richard Smart >Hebrides Survey Services Ltd Tel:+44 (0)1993 776969 >105 Wadards Meadow Mobile: +44 (0)468 048108 >Witney, Oxon, UK E-mail: Richie@hebrides.co.uk >OX8 6YW > > From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Oct 27 11:41:50 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id LAA05733 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 11:25:53 GMT Received: from caged.st-andrews.ac.uk (root@caged.st-and.ac.uk [138.251.34.40]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA05715 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 11:25:49 GMT Received: from purds.st-andrews.ac.uk (root@purds [138.251.34.20]) by caged.st-andrews.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA23006; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 11:25:39 GMT Received: from localhost by purds.st-andrews.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id QAA16897; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 16:20:38 GMT Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 16:20:36 +0000 (GMT) From: Big Funky X-Sender: jpg2@st-andrews.ac.uk To: Andrew Wilson cc: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk, Kevin Brooks Subject: Re: Is Scotland a Country? (was Re: Scott's comment on worlds allocations) In-Reply-To: <4.1.19981026142342.00a10220@snoopy.eng.ascend.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hooray, at last someone articulate to argue our case!!!! Jon Good aka 'Big Funky' of 'Funkian' and 'More than just a Hint' aka 'Frank LeBoeuf' of 'Blue Arse Flies' D.O.P.A. S.A.U. (underground) Wine Soc. Captain S.A.U.U.F.C. - Flying Sorcerers The loneliest man since time began - all air-fare donations gratefully received World of Crack! "I thought this girl was a world beater, but it turned out she was a messy eater." From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Oct 27 12:20:01 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA19161 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 12:05:45 GMT Received: from panduit.de (mail.panduit.de [195.88.88.125]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA19133 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 12:05:40 GMT Received: from D-Message_Server by panduit.de with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 13:12:46 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 12:08:21 +0100 From: "Paolo A. Nistri" To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk, Richie@hebrides.co.uk Subject: Fw: Hong Kong 7's -Reply -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id MAA19137 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk touché. >>> "Richie" 10/27/98 11:52am >>> The Catch boys and I thought that everyone should realise what a loser Paolo is, especially after his comment about indoors. This is a segment of a message Paolo sent me saying its too cold and wet to play at Hong Kong 7's at Leeds. Most of us had a great laugh at the Leeds mud festival. Richie Catch-22 Splitter Ex-Scum, but still Scum ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------- Richard Smart Hebrides Survey Services Ltd Tel:+44 (0)1993 776969 105 Wadards Meadow Mobile: +44 (0)468 048108 Witney, Oxon, UK E-mail: Richie@hebrides.co.uk OX8 6YW -----Original Message----- From: Paolo A. Nistri To: Richie@hebrides.co.uk Date: 23 October 1998 08:50 Subject: Hong Kong 7's -Reply > >If i were you i wouldn't bother tho'...weather forecast= rain, freezing >gales. better staying in bed!! > >Ciao mate! >P > >>>> "Richie" 10/22/98 01:57pm >>> >Do you guys require another lanky git this weekend? >If or if not I'll be coming up to pick up anyway. >Got directions? > >Richie >Catch-22 >Splitter Ex-Scum, but still Scum >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- - >--------------- >Richard Smart >Hebrides Survey Services Ltd Tel:+44 (0)1993 776969 >105 Wadards Meadow Mobile: +44 (0)468 048108 >Witney, Oxon, UK E-mail: Richie@hebrides.co.uk >OX8 6YW > > From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Oct 27 13:51:43 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id NAA18472 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 13:38:17 GMT Received: from exchpk02.chelt.ac.uk (exchpk02.chelt.ac.uk [194.66.194.6]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA18457 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 13:38:14 GMT Received: by exchpk02.chelt.ac.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 13:38:01 -0000 Message-ID: <8102C4585310D211858D0060B01A41330A3929@exchpk02.chelt.ac.uk> From: "HUGHES, Chris" To: "'Britdisc'" Subject: Indoors Bids Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 13:38:00 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk All of those teams interested in putting in bids I need you to express an interest at the latest on Monday. At present I have bids from; Milton Keynes - (Mark Jefferson) Newport - (Druids) Sheffield - (Si Weeks) Glasgow - (Dave Grayson, Mud Culture) Nationals - Cheltenham (LD / BAF) If any one else is interested then Regionals want to be on the 6/7 or 13/14 of March, and Nationals on 20/21 of March I still want definite bids for teams interested in holding a Tour event on any of the dates listed in the BUF Diary. Chris Hughes From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Oct 27 13:53:11 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id NAA20569 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 13:43:46 GMT Received: from gw-nl1.philips.com (gw-nl1.philips.com [192.68.44.33]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA20540 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 13:43:42 GMT Received: from smtprelay-nl1.philips.com (localhost.philips.com [127.0.0.1]) by gw-nl1.philips.com with ESMTP id OAA15293; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 14:43:02 +0100 (MET) (envelope-from hoogend@natlab.research.philips.com) Received: from natlab.research.philips.com (prle.natlab.research.philips.com [130.139.161.112]) by smtprelay-nl1.philips.com (8.8.5/8.6.10-1.2.2m-970826) with SMTP id OAA25683; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 14:43:01 +0100 (MET) Received: by natlab.research.philips.com; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 14:42:59 +0100 Message-Id: <3635CDE0.BB941E2F@natlab.research.philips.com> Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 14:42:56 +0100 From: "Hoogendijk, dr.ir. P.F." Organization: Philips Research X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4m) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: frisbee@win.tue.nl, EuroDisc , britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Results VIP '98 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Last weekend (24 & 25 October) the VIP-tournament has been held in Valkenswaard, a small village near Eindhoven, the Netherlands. This year there were more foreign teams than Dutch teams, some of them had to travel a long distance. I want to thank all the teams coming to Eindhoven making the tournament a big success. The skill level was high and, judging from my own experience, the spirit level as well. The "Spirit of the game" award was won by Funatics, Germany. I hope to see you all next years, and maybe we can welcome some new teams. Watch this space for next year's invitation. Paul Hoogendijk, Vertigo & Light City Flyers (LCF). FINAL RESULTS VIP '98 1. Crunch 1 (NL) 11. Indiscutable (D) 2. Ultimate Vibration (F) 12. Force Electro (NL) 3. Freezzz Beezzz (B) 13. LCF (NL) Eindhoven 4. Ultimatum (F) 14. Funatics (D) (Spirit) 5. Frizzly Bears (D) 15. F.U.C.K. (NL) 6. Blue Arse Flies (GB) 16. Spin'H (B) 7. Jet Set (B) 17. Softeggs (D) 8. Night Fever (GB) 18. Crunch 2 (NL) 9. Arnhemse meisjes/Snok (NL) 19. Bellemse Balkutten (B) 10. TOF (NL) 20. Frisdingue Dave (B) +--------------------------------------------+ +---------+ | Paul Hoogendijk, |/ \ | Philips Research Laboratories, / \ | Building WL 1 114, Prof. Holstlaan 4, | BE FREE, | | 5656 AA Eindhoven, The Netherlands. | | | Phone: +31 40 2743978 | BE FRISBEE! | | Fax: +31 40 2744004 \ / | mailto:hoogend@natlab.research.philips.com |\ / +--------------------------------------------+ +---------+ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Oct 28 10:02:40 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id JAA11999 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 09:49:20 GMT Received: from mercury.king.ac.uk (mercury.king.ac.uk [141.241.4.24]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA11993 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 09:49:18 GMT Received: from bob.king.ac.uk by mercury.king.ac.uk with SMTP (MMTA 2) with ESMTP; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 09:49:16 +0000 Received: from BOB/SpoolDir by bob.king.ac.uk (Mercury 1.43); 28 Oct 98 09:49:15 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by BOB (Mercury 1.43); 28 Oct 98 09:48:46 +0000 From: Sick Boy Organization: Kingston University To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 09:48:37 +0000 Subject: Masters at World Clubs X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.54) Message-ID: <70CB8E0F3C@bob.king.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Given that Ben requires interested parties for teams at the World Clubs to express interest within the next two weeks, anyone who qualifies as a Master and who would like to join me in putting together a team for this event please contact me asap. I'm already working on Sponsors, and now just need a team. Possibility of sending a team to one of the big Euro events as well. Cheers Colin ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Colin "Sick Boy" Smith "K-Niggets" Ultimate Club Kingston University k967338@kingston.ac.uk Tel: (0181) 942 8050 From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Oct 28 10:43:02 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA25026 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 10:33:59 GMT Received: from mercury.king.ac.uk (mercury.king.ac.uk [141.241.4.24]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA25013 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 10:33:57 GMT Received: from bob.king.ac.uk by mercury.king.ac.uk with SMTP (MMTA 2) with ESMTP; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 10:27:42 +0000 Received: from BOB/SpoolDir by bob.king.ac.uk (Mercury 1.43); 28 Oct 98 10:27:41 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by BOB (Mercury 1.43); 28 Oct 98 10:27:20 +0000 From: Sick Boy Organization: Kingston University To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 10:27:17 +0000 Subject: Europeans X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.54) Message-ID: <71702D5F0C@bob.king.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Is there a Europeans in '99? Little has been said about it. Where will it be? Cheers Colin ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Colin "Sick Boy" Smith "K-Niggets" Ultimate Club Kingston University k967338@kingston.ac.uk Tel: (0181) 942 8050 From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Oct 28 12:03:19 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id LAA18060 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 11:45:36 GMT Received: from shrimp.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (ralf@shrimp [137.205.227.130]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA18024 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 11:45:30 GMT Received: (from ralf@localhost) by shrimp.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id LAA23401 for britdisc@csv; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 11:46:57 GMT From: Ralf Message-Id: <199810281146.LAA23401@shrimp.dcs.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: [frisbee-nsw] WUCC Allocation Mark II (fwd) To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 11:46:57 +0000 (GMT) X-Quote: Productivity is in the eye of the beholder. X-Quote: The closest to perfection a person ever comes is when they fill out a job application. X-Quote: For every credibility gap, there's a gullibility fill. X-Quote: I think there is a world market for about five computers. -- Thomas J. Watson, CEO, IBM Corporation, 1947 X-Freedom: 84 days... X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL35 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Strange that this doesn't seem to have gotten as far as BritDisc yet. Anyway, something I found in an Oz mailing list... Note how Scotland only has one team for the Open... Ralf. ----- Forwarded message from Andrew Morris ----- >From owner-frisbee-nsw@zip.com.au Tue Oct 27 09:11:33 1998 Message-Id: Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 19:15:46 +1000 To: frisbee-nsw@zip.com.au From: morrisaa@ozemail.com.au (Andrew Morris) Subject: [frisbee-nsw] WUCC Allocation Mark II Sender: owner-frisbee-nsw@zip.com.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: morrisaa@ozemail.com.au (Andrew Morris) >To all that may be interested here is the allocation for WUCC99, should >anyone have any comments on the breakdown please contact me via email or >directly on 0418 530925. Andrew Morris-WFDF Ultimate committee. >------------------------------------------------------------ >This is the final allocation suggestions for all national associations for >WUCC. Thank you for your comments. I will be sending these to countries on >Friday with official invitations unless we have a majority objection. > >Open Total=40 Women Total=24 Masters Total=16 >Co-ed Total=16 >USA 5 USA 3 Canada 2 >Canada 2 >Canada 4 Japan 3 USA 2 >USA 2 >Japan 3 Canada 2 Netherlands 2 >Germany 2 >Sweden 3 Finland 2 Japan 1 >Brazil 1 >Finland 3 Sweden 2 Sweden 1 >Austria 1 >Germany 3 Great Britain 2 Great Britain 1 >Great Britain 1 >Australia 2 Australia 2 Germany 1 >Scotland 1 >Great Britain 2 Netherlands 2 Australia 1 >Japan 1 >Venezuela 1 Germany 1 Finland 1 >Sweden 1 >Colombia 1 New Zealand 1 New Zealand 1 >Finland 1 >S. Africa 1 Switzerland 1 Switzerland 1 >Australia 1 >Netherlands 1 Czech Republic 1 Italy 1 >New Zealand 1 >Brazil 1 Italy 1 International 1 >International 1 >Mexico 1 France 1 >New Zealand 1 >Switzerland 1 Reserves Reserves >Reserves >Italy 1 Belgium Scotland >Mexico >France 1 Denmark France >Netherlands >Czech Republic 1 Scotland Denmark >Switzerland >Denmark 1 Austria Belgium >Italy >Hong Kong 1 Venezuela Austria >Denmark >Austria 1 Columbia Czech Republic >France >Scotland 1 South Africa >Czech Republic > >Belgium > >Reserves > >Estonia/Latvia >Hungary >Taiwan >Belgium > > > > > >Charlie Mead >Chair WFDF Ultimate Commitee >Tel; +44-121-449-3382 > > *+=-=+* *+=-=+* To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send email to majordomo@zip.com.au and include in the body of the text: unsubscribe frisbee-nsw *+=-=+* *+=-=+* ----- End of forwarded message from Andrew Morris ----- ____ ____ _ _ ____ .----------------------------------------. _\__ \ _\__ \ / \ / \\__/ | Ranulf Doswell | / \_/ /_ / \_/ \ / / / /___ | Department of Computer Science | \ __ \\ __ \\ \ _\ \\_/ |University of Warwick, COVENTRY, CV4 7AL| \ \ \ \\ \ \ \\ \__/ \\ \ | Phone: 01203 523296 Fax: 01203 525714 | \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \______/ \_/ `----------------------------------------' From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Oct 28 12:17:12 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA25236 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 12:07:23 GMT Received: from serenity.mcc.ac.uk (serenity.mcc.ac.uk [130.88.200.93]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA25210 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 12:07:16 GMT Received: from ccg.acu.man.ac.uk ([130.88.17.200]) by serenity.mcc.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.92 #2) for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk id 0zYUNf-0002a7-00; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 12:07:15 +0000 Received: from ccMail by ccg.acu.man.ac.uk (ccMail Link to SMTP R6.00.02) id AA909576431; Wed, 28 Oct 98 12:07:14 GMT Message-Id: <9810289095.AA909576431@ccg.acu.man.ac.uk> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R6.00.02 Date: Wed, 28 Oct 98 12:06:35 GMT From: "Rob Mitchell" To: Subject: RE: [frisbee-nsw] WUCC Allocation Mark II (fwd) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk > >Germany 3 Great Britain 2 Great Britain 1 > >Great Britain 1 > >Australia 2 Australia 2 Germany 1 > >Scotland 1 > >Great Britain 2 Netherlands 2 Australia 1 I can't make head nor tail of Ralf's table, but am I right in figuring that this means GB only has either one or two allocated slots in ANY division, including Open? I hope not. rob chevron action flash From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Oct 28 12:22:57 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA27093 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 12:12:15 GMT Received: from holly.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@holly-fddi [137.205.4.5]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA27079 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 12:12:12 GMT From: Wayne_Retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk Received: from smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk ([62.172.72.129]) by holly.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA14510 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 12:12:08 GMT Received: from ccMail by smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk (IMA Internet Exchange 3.01 Enterprise) id 00022484; Wed, 28 Oct 98 12:05:30 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 11:51:56 +0000 Message-ID: <00022484.CE21337@watsonwyatt.co.uk> Subject: Re: Europeans To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Author: Sick Boy >Is there a Europeans in '99? Little has been said about it. Where will it be? Was discussion/rumour in Minneapolis about the Germans putting in a bid for a large event... but I don;t remember if that was for 1999 European Championships or 2000 World (or European?) Clubs Thomas Griesbaum (in his EFDF role) may know more... Wayne wayne_retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Oct 28 12:46:25 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA03440 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 12:29:33 GMT Received: from serenity.mcc.ac.uk (serenity.mcc.ac.uk [130.88.200.93]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA03422 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 12:29:29 GMT Received: from ccg.acu.man.ac.uk ([130.88.17.200]) by serenity.mcc.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.92 #2) for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk id 0zYUjA-0002tb-00; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 12:29:28 +0000 Received: from ccMail by ccg.acu.man.ac.uk (ccMail Link to SMTP R6.00.02) id AA909577763; Wed, 28 Oct 98 12:29:27 GMT Message-Id: <9810289095.AA909577763@ccg.acu.man.ac.uk> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R6.00.02 Date: Wed, 28 Oct 98 12:28:43 GMT From: "Rob Mitchell" To: Subject: RE: Europeans MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk > Was discussion/rumour in Minneapolis about the Germans > putting in a bid for a > large event... but I don;t remember if that was for 1999 > European Championships > or 2000 World (or European?) Clubs word on the fields was that Germany was going to put on a small 4-day 'europeans' next summer to which national teams will be invited, presumably as a dummy run for hosting Worlds in 2000. rob chevron From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Oct 28 13:49:40 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id NAA27566 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 13:42:46 GMT Received: from hotmail.com (f242.hotmail.com [207.82.251.133]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA27490 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 13:42:29 GMT Received: (qmail 23064 invoked by uid 65534); 28 Oct 1998 13:41:43 -0000 Message-ID: <19981028134143.23063.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 195.50.71.148 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 05:41:42 PST X-Originating-IP: [195.50.71.148] From: "bob kumar" To: Britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Utimate five-a-side footy challenge Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 05:41:42 PST Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk To all who are interested in the footy tournament, Sat 28th Nov 1998. We have had quite a large interest, but due to the lack of accomadation and time left the first challenge is to be limited to only 8 teams. The following teams have paid and have paid thus reserving their place : Janitors More Janitors Superfly Therefore, there are only five places left so the first five cheques for £50 that are received at the address below will guarantee entry. So act now and don't be dissapointed , cos if you don't come we'll assume that you can talk the talk but can't walk the walk. 218 Cardigan Lane Headingley Leeds LS6 1ED Cheques made payable to ' Mild Mannered Janitors ' Cheeers Janitors ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Oct 28 14:07:45 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id NAA00874 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 13:53:40 GMT Received: from smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk ([62.172.72.129]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA00861 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 13:53:38 GMT From: Wayne_Retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk Received: from ccMail by smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk (IMA Internet Exchange 3.01 Enterprise) id 000225C6; Wed, 28 Oct 98 13:48:14 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 13:49:55 +0000 Message-ID: <000225C6.CE21337@watsonwyatt.co.uk> Subject: Re: [frisbee-nsw] WUCC Allocation Mark II (fwd) To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Excluding the rest of the (for some of us, difficult to read) table... it summarizes thus: GreatBritain Scotland Open 2 1 Women 2 (reserve no3) Masters 1 CoEd 1 So, Chevvy *might* (ought to?) get lucky, but things look even less definate for lower teams. Wayne Retter wayne_retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: [frisbee-nsw] WUCC Allocation Mark II (fwd) Author: Ralf at ~Internet Date: 28/10/98 11:46 Strange that this doesn't seem to have gotten as far as BritDisc yet. Anyway, something I found in an Oz mailing list... Note how Scotland only has one team for the Open... Ralf From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Oct 28 14:40:09 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id OAA11203 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 14:26:53 GMT Received: from mail.rexam.co.uk (mail.rexam.co.uk [195.40.154.2]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA11176 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 14:26:46 GMT From: Rupert.J.Morris.AT.BWBF-GB-MSN-PO01%CCMAIL@rexam.co.uk Received: by mail.rexam.co.uk(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) id 802566AB.004F62A0 ; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 14:27:05 +0000 X-Lotus-FromDomain: REXAM To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Message-ID: <802566AB.004F2E16.00@mail.rexam.co.uk> Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 13:37:41 +0000 Subject: Worlds allocations Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; Boundary="0__=5e1IeswhjAejWQoDOwFgX1OZvIn2JPXPeaPeRQpAiZASbqRM9XJSlq5V" Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk --0__=5e1IeswhjAejWQoDOwFgX1OZvIn2JPXPeaPeRQpAiZASbqRM9XJSlq5V Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline I've tried to sort out the table Ralph posted,it's attached as an Exel document and it's also in the body of the text in Comma Separated format. The numbers in each column seem to tally but I'm not going to promise I've done right. Country,Open(40),Women(24),Masters (16),Co-ed(16) Australia,2,2,1,1 Austria ,1,,,1 Brazil,1,,,1 Canada ,4,2,2,2 Colombia,1,,, Czech Republic,1,1,, Denmark ,1,,, Finland ,3,2,1,1 France,1,1,, Germany,3,1,1,2 Great Britain,2,2,1,1 Hong Kong ,1,,, International ,1,,1, Italy,1,1,1,1 Japan,3,3,1,1 Mexico,1,,, Netherlands,1,2,2, New Zealand ,1,1,1,1 S. 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--0__=5e1IeswhjAejWQoDOwFgX1OZvIn2JPXPeaPeRQpAiZASbqRM9XJSlq5V-- From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Oct 28 14:41:31 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id OAA15007 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 14:38:21 GMT Received: from ikbrunel.brunel.co.uk (root@ikbrunel.brunel.co.uk [194.72.232.2]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA14940 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 14:38:10 GMT Received: from 3445 (polrp@wrekin1.brunel.co.uk [194.72.232.177]) by ikbrunel.brunel.co.uk (8.8.2/8.8.0) with SMTP id OAA03984 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 14:37:47 +0100 Message-ID: <010d01be0281$99e2ffe0$83010e80@3445> Reply-To: "Rich Parkes" From: "Rich Parkes" To: "brit disc" Subject: Wolverhampton Old Boys & Girls Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 14:45:13 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi All Just a quick note to let all the ex-Rejects and their friends know about the forthcoming Wolverhampton Old Boys and Girls get together this year. The tournament is open to all former players of the Wolverhampton Poly frisbee team (currently dormant), the Hot Stamp Rejects. Anyone who has ever played with, or practiced with, the Rejects is invited to a get together in Wolverhampton on December 5 for some disc action and considerably more beer and gags. The event begins with an outdoor game in West Park, Wolverhampton at high noon, following which [after a brief alcoholic interlude] we'll go indoors to play our usual tossy shit. I'm sure people who have been before know the drill. Of course the hardened drinkers can meet us in the Newhampton on the Friday night. If you need any further info, let me know. Rich Chevron Reject From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Oct 28 14:42:16 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id NAA23880 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 13:30:31 GMT Received: from hotmail.com (f154.hotmail.com [207.82.251.33]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA23762 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 13:30:10 GMT Received: (qmail 8330 invoked by uid 65534); 28 Oct 1998 13:30:55 -0000 Message-ID: <19981028133055.8329.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 195.50.71.148 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 05:30:54 PST X-Originating-IP: [195.50.71.148] From: "bob kumar" To: Britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 05:30:54 PST Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Dear all, Firstly thanks for turning up and making the event happen, sorry about the weather, we'll try harder next year. A number of items have were left at the cricket club, so if you've lost something call us on 0113 2249680 and we'll see if its in the pile, we will only be keeping the stuff till next monday cos that's when the bin men come!!!! Cheers Janitors ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Oct 28 19:03:51 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id SAA14564 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 18:49:42 GMT Received: from mail2.svr.freeserve.net (mail2.svr.freeserve.net [195.92.193.210]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA14557 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 18:49:40 GMT Received: from modem-104.neon.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.4.232] helo=tomdee.freeserve.co.uk) by mail2.svr.freeserve.net with smtp (Exim 2.05iplimit-2 #4) id 0zYaf3-0007Ug-00; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 18:49:37 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 18:47:40 +0000 To: lenchdesign Cc: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: Tom Denham Subject: Re: remove from list In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (32) Trial Version 3.05 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk In message , lenchdesign writes >please remove this address from list > > > Can you me as well please, thankyou. -- |Tom Denham | We offer some simple promises: | |T O M D E E @BIGFOOT.COM | To always deliver 1st class service | |If you need new or S/H | To always post a maximum of 1 day | |PC equipment just email us!| after payment and always by 1st class| From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Oct 28 21:31:19 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id VAA07642 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 21:18:08 GMT Received: from mail-gw1.webleicester.net (mailgate.webleicester.co.uk [195.146.160.12]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA07634 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 21:18:05 GMT Received: from pii266 (pool-pri1-024.webleicester.co.uk [195.146.164.24]) by mail-gw1.webleicester.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id VAA19425 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 21:13:56 GMT Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 21:22:50 -0000 Message-ID: <01BE02B9.1D865220.bravil@webleicester.co.uk> From: Ben Ravilious Reply-To: "bravil@webleicester.co.uk" To: "'Britdisc'" Subject: BUF Reaction to New WUCC Quotas Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 21:22:37 -0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Dear all, The BUF was notified of these these new allocations yesterday. As you can see they are reduced from the numbers which were released to me two weeks ago. At this stage I cannot make any further comment on the matter except to say that we have made an official complaint to WFDF about the inconsistency of information released to us and the circumstances under which our quota was reduced. I must again ask people to be patient, and to perhaps take these latest figures with a pinch of salt - there are likely to be further changes. If individuals want to talk to me about this then please feel free to phone me on 0116 2559638 or reply to this email. At this stage it would be to everybody's advantage if people spoke to me or other BUF officers before making any comments or enquiries themselves. I'm sorry if this seems draconian but "the walls have ears" as they say. Cheers Ben BUF Secretary From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Oct 29 10:57:54 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA25659 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 29 Oct 1998 10:43:17 GMT Received: from renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk (renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk [129.215.13.3]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA25640 for ; Thu, 29 Oct 1998 10:43:13 GMT Received: from eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk (eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk [129.215.13.1]) by renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA29430 for ; Thu, 29 Oct 1998 10:43:10 GMT Received: from SMS-EIGG/SpoolDir by eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk (Mercury 1.43); 29 Oct 98 10:43:10 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by SMS-EIGG (Mercury 1.43); 29 Oct 98 10:43:06 +0000 From: "James Spicer" <9550732@eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 10:43:04 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Beginners 98 Teams entered so far X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.52) Message-ID: <15323157D83@eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Dear All Places for the Beginners are rapidly being filled, replies coming through the post everyday. Below is a list of teams who have paid up already and are therefore entered. Superfly Far Flung One Far Flung two Mohawks Alien Nation Cranfield Smashing rabbit Mild Mannered Jaintors Reservoir Fish Munwci see Gratham College Jesters Phat eds one Phat eds two Aberdeen Ro Sham bo Ro Sham bo A reminder of beginner tournament rules Players must have played for less than 4 months Only one coach (experienced player) on the pitch at anyone time The coach can not score a point, although can make assissts, if a coach catches the disc in the endzone, the play is reset from the front of the endzone. I think that is all the extra rules. We will meet as every year in the Firkin and find a place for everyone to stay, accomadation is on the floors of edinburgh Ultimate players. Maps and additional inforamtion will be sent to teams in the next week, will teams make sure addresses are upto date, if any doubt sent me a mail where to where you would like info sent to. see you all soon james s From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Oct 30 13:46:51 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id NAA07641 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 13:30:34 GMT Received: from hotmail.com (f238.hotmail.com [207.82.251.129]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA06444 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 13:26:26 GMT Received: (qmail 14281 invoked by uid 65534); 30 Oct 1998 13:25:56 -0000 Message-ID: <19981030132556.14280.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 195.50.71.148 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 05:25:55 PST X-Originating-IP: [195.50.71.148] From: "bob kumar" To: Britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Five-a-side footy challenge Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 05:25:55 PST Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk After the recent response there is only ONE yes 1 place left in the five-a-side footy challenge so if you want it send the £50 cheque payable to the Janitors at 218 cardigan lane, Headingley, Leeds, LS6 1ED. Teams definately in : Janitors More Janitors Superfly Catch 22 Jedi Children Yorkshire Water Cheers Janitors.. and UTI.... ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Oct 30 14:43:19 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id OAA24692 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 14:22:28 GMT Received: from mail.grantham.ac.uk ([194.83.4.8]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA24650 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 14:22:20 GMT Message-Id: <199810301422.OAA24650@pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Received: by mail.grantham.co.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 14:20:40 -0000 From: "Paul Unwin (Grantham College)" To: bob kumar Cc: britdisc Subject: RE: Five-a-side footy challenge Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 14:20:00 -0000 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id OAA24652 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk You UTI boys are all mouth and no trousers. remember the take all comers message on BD a few weeks back. "where is that UTI cheque book?" PU (superfly) After the recent response there is only ONE yes 1 place left in the five-a-side footy challenge so if you want it send the £50 cheque payable to the Janitors at 218 cardigan lane, Headingley, Leeds, LS6 1ED. Teams definately in : Janitors More Janitors Superfly Catch 22 Jedi Children Yorkshire Water Cheers Janitors.. and UTI.... ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Oct 30 15:46:03 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id PAA15705 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 15:27:30 GMT Received: from mail.grantham.ac.uk ([194.83.4.8]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA15611 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 15:27:20 GMT Message-Id: <199810301527.PAA15611@pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Received: by mail.grantham.co.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 15:25:41 -0000 From: "Paul Unwin (Grantham College)" To: bob kumar Cc: britdisc Subject: RE: Five-a-side footy challenge Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 15:25:00 -0000 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id PAA15642 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk read on for how to make a prick of yourself: guess you found the cheque book! PU (superfly) ____________________________________________________________ You UTI boys are all mouth and no trousers. remember the take all comers message on BD a few weeks back. "where is that UTI cheque book?" PU (superfly) After the recent response there is only ONE yes 1 place left in the five-a-side footy challenge so if you want it send the £50 cheque payable to the Janitors at 218 cardigan lane, Headingley, Leeds, LS6 1ED. Teams definately in : Janitors More Janitors Superfly Catch 22 Jedi Children Yorkshire Water cheers Janitors.. and UTI.... ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Oct 30 22:07:15 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id VAA27116 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 21:55:47 GMT Received: from polaris.bmpddb.com (mailhost.bmpddb.com [193.130.32.70]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA27102 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 21:55:38 GMT Received: by POLARIS with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 21:54:14 -0000 Message-ID: From: David Trovell To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Simon Hill Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 21:54:07 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Si, are you out there? Can you send me your new address so that I can post all the GB shirts for Catch players to you by the 8th. Dave From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Nov 2 08:01:28 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id HAA09360 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 07:47:03 GMT Received: from gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (ralf@gem [137.205.227.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA09355 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 07:47:02 GMT Received: (from ralf@localhost) by gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id HAA27785 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 07:47:01 GMT Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 07:47:01 GMT From: Ranulf Doswell Message-Id: <199811020747.HAA27785@gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: BFDF Events Reminder Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk British Flying Disc Federation Disc Events Diary ------------------------------------------------ The events list can also be found at http://www.dcs.warwick.ac.uk/~ralf/bfdf/ ---------- Saturday 7th November 1998 BDGA Singles Matchplay (2 days) @ TBC [Golf] Contact Andy Lucey Phone 0181 767 6766 Saturday 14th November 1998 Edinburgh beginners (2 days) @ Meadowbank, Edinburgh [Beginners' Ultimate] Contact James Spicer Email J.A.Spicer@sms.ed.ac.uk URL http://www.ed.ac.uk/~ultimate/ Saturday 21st November 1998 Student Indoor Midland Qualifiers (2 days) [Students' Indoor Ultimate] Contact Simon Weeks Address 74 Commonside Sheffeild S10 1GG Email gga95sew@sheffield.ac.uk Phone 0114 266 2304 Saturday 28th November 1998 Student Indoor South West Qualifiers (2 days) @ Cardiff [Students' Indoor Ultimate] Contact Dave Barnard Email BarnardDW@cardiff.ac.uk Phone 0411 691129 Saturday 19th December 1998 Southampton Indoors (2 days) [Indoor Ultimate] Contact Suzanne Penfold Email scp195@soton.ac.uk Saturday 9th January 1999 Red Co-ed Indoors (2 days) @ Aylestone Leisure Centre, Leicester. [Indoor Ultimate] note change of venue Contact Leicester Ultimate Club (Red) Address PO Box 1075 Leicester LE2 1YQ Email red@ultimateweb.co.uk Phone 0116 2559638 (Ben Ravilious) Saturday 27th February 1999 National Student Indoors (2 days) @ Leeds [Students' Indoor Ultimate] TD Jon Chewins Email bgy6jgc@South-02.novell.leeds.ac.uk Saturday 6th March 1999 Indoor Regionals (2 days) [Indoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Saturday 13th March 1999 Indoor Regionals (2 days) [Indoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Saturday 20th March 1999 Indoor Nationals (2 days) [Indoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Saturday 27th March 1999 Red Outdoors (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Leicester Ultimate Club (Red) Address PO Box 1075 Leicester LE2 1YQ Email red@ultimateweb.co.uk Phone 0116 2559638 (Ben Ravilious) Saturday 3rd April 1999 Dublin Outdoors (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 10th April 1999 Tour I (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Saturday 1st May 1999 Brugge (2 days) TBC [Outdoor Ultimate Abroad] Saturday 8th May 1999 Tour II (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Thursday 13th May 1999 Rotterdam (4 days) TBC [Outdoor Ultimate Abroad] Saturday 5th June 1999 Tour III (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Saturday 12th June 1999 Fiesta (2 days) TBC [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Laura Lafave Email lafave@cs.bris.ac.uk Phone (w) +44-117-954 5128 Saturday 26th June 1999 Tour IV (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Saturday 17th July 1999 Tour V (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Saturday 24th July 1999 Ross on Wye (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 7th August 1999 Worlds (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate Abroad] Saturday 14th August 1999 Worlds (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate Abroad] Saturday 25th September 1999 Nationals (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk ---------------------------------------------------------- British Flying Disc Federation Disc Events Diary http://www.dcs.warwick.ac.uk/~ralf/bfdf/ Ranulf Doswell, ralf@dcs.warwick.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Nov 2 12:24:50 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA18227 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 12:08:42 GMT Received: from dns.hi-net.it (root@hi-net.it [194.243.133.2]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA18042 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 12:08:06 GMT Received: from gandalf.ciam.unibo.it (gandalf.ciam.unibo.it [137.204.214.21]) by dns.hi-net.it (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA25730 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 13:07:49 +0100 Message-ID: <363DAD9C.167E@gandalf.ciam.unibo.it> Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 13:03:25 +0000 From: Jumpi X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (X11; I; AIX 2) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: UTI Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi all, i'm Jumpi from Rimini, Italy and i'm looking for anyone from UTI. Can anybody help me? Thanks in advance! Ciao! -- -Jumpi ********** "We're jamming 'til the jam is through" (B.Marley) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Nov 2 19:38:01 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id TAA28767 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 19:21:02 GMT Received: from beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk (beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.129.138]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA28715 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 19:20:47 GMT Received: from cedar.sucs.soton.ac.uk (cedar.sucs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.128.92]) by beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.8/relay-02) with ESMTP id TAA19086 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 19:20:43 GMT Received: from b65a-01.sucs.soton.ac.uk (b65a-01.sucs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.123.64]) by cedar.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.8/relay-02) with SMTP id TAA08896 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 19:18:16 GMT From: Suze Reply-To: scp195@soton.ac.uk To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Womens practices Message-ID: Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 19:20:42 +0000 (GMT) X-Mailer: Simeon for Windows Version 4.1.4 Build (40) X-Authentication: none MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Does anybody know when these were planned to start? Cheers Suze ---------------------- Suze scp195@soton.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Nov 2 22:21:40 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id WAA01371 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 22:05:44 GMT Received: from maggiore.dsnet.it (maggiore.dsnet.it [195.250.233.15] (may be forged)) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id WAA01355 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 22:05:39 GMT Received: (qmail 7660 invoked from network); 2 Nov 1998 22:05:34 -0000 Received: from pppdin64.dsnet.it (HELO mailbox.dsnet.it) (195.250.230.191) by maggiore.dsnet.it with SMTP; 2 Nov 1998 22:05:34 -0000 Message-ID: <363E2CFB.F0C35AA2@mailbox.dsnet.it> Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 23:06:51 +0100 From: Peldi Reply-To: peldi@ultilinks.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "EuroDisc@ira.uka.de" , BritDisc Subject: [Fwd: WUCC 1999 - National Associations-Team Allocation] Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------90B5C0380CCB9E6C720E65A8" Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------90B5C0380CCB9E6C720E65A8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --------------90B5C0380CCB9E6C720E65A8 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Delivered-To: peldi@mailbox.dsnet.it Received: (qmail 6715 invoked from network); 2 Nov 1998 20:50:48 -0000 Received: from exolon.datacore.ch (HELO datacore.ch) (194.191.127.2) by maggiore.dsnet.it with SMTP; 2 Nov 1998 20:50:48 -0000 Received: from papaya.mail.easynet.net (papaya.mail.easynet.net [195.40.1.40]) by datacore.ch (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA08104 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 21:50:39 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <199811022050.VAA08104@datacore.ch> Received: (qmail 1438 invoked from network); 2 Nov 1998 20:50:06 -0000 Received: from charles.mead.easynet.co.uk (HELO charles.mead) (195.40.244.78) by papaya.mail.easynet.net with SMTP; 2 Nov 1998 20:50:06 -0000 From: "Charlie Mead" To: "WFDF Ultimate Committee" , "Thomas Griesbaum" , "Fumio Morooka" , "Tami Pellicane" , "Dan Roddick" , "Bill Wright" , "Rex O'Quinn" , "Paul Hurt" , "Dave Brown" , "Peter Bennison" , "Bob Byrne" , "Trevor Daughney" , "Stu Farqueson" , "Jan Filandr" , "Erik Hammer" , "Gary Jarvis" , "Valerie Letinier" , "Peter Lundmark" , "Barbara Marton" , "Fernando Najera" <103144.2237@compuserve.com>, "Padi O'Neil" , "Peldi" , "Ben Ravilious" , "Carlos Rio" , "Tuuli Saarento" , "Corey Tyrell" , "Vita Kotane" , "Justin Smith" Subject: WUCC 1999 - National Associations-Team Allocation Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 20:46:14 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 Please find below the Invitation being circulated to ALL National Associations who are members of WFDF. Unfortunately my email has crashed so PLEASE PLEASE can anybody copy these to the following members whose addresses I don't have or can't access. Snail mail will have its way but we promised this for November 1st. National Associations to contact: Austria, Belgium, Canada (CUPA),Netherlands, Germany, Japan, Taiwan, Switzerland, Brazil, Estonia, Please ask all countries to forward current email addresses to me at Can people who have access to Britdisc and Eurodisc also post this on the Boards. Thank you. This is what the net was made for. World wide co-operation in a crisis. -- Charlie Mead Chair, WFDF Ultimate Committee +44-121-449-3382 WFDF World Ultimate Club Championships – St. Andrews, Scotland. To: All National Flying Disc Associations. From: WFDF Ultimate Committee Invitation This is your invitation to submit teams to enter the 1999 WFDF World Ultimate Club Championships – St. Andrews, Scotland. The tournament will be held Sunday 8th August-Saturday 14th August. Registration will be Saturday 7th August and players will depart after breakfast on Sunday 15th August. Responsibility of National Associations. In the table below you will find how many teams each National Association has been originally allocated to send to WUCC. Each division has been seeded by country and teams allocated according to past performances at previous WUCC and WUC tournaments. The number of teams allocated to each country in each division has been the subject of discussion and modification within the Ultimate Committee. The table below is the result of that deliberation. It is the responsibility of each National Association to let the TD know: How many teams they will enter at WUCC based on their allocation for their country in each division All the contact details for teams for each division so that they may be contacted directly by the TD. All general information sent to teams shall be copied to National Associations. If they do not wish to fill their full allocation so that other countries may use their slots. If they wish to have more teams enter WUCC than they have allocation for. If you are a country on the Reserve list then you should let the TD know: If you wish to enter a team and for which division The Deadline for this initial information is December 1st 1998. It is especially important that National Associations return this information even if they are NOT going to send any teams. After December 1st the process of offering spare slots to other teams will begin. Please return the form at the end of this information to: Charlie Mead 67, Cotton Lane, Birmingham B13 9SE England Email: charles.mead@easynet.co.uk Being offered extra slots for teams This process will begin after December 1st 1998. For each division the process is the same. Any National Associations not confirming their place at WUCC by this date will lose their allocation. Their allocation will be offered firstly to National Associations on the Reserve List who have indicated that they wish to send a team to WUCC. Each Reserve List team in each division will be offered 1 (one) slot each if they want it. After this extra slots will be offered to National Associations in the order they are listed for each division in the table below. This process will continue until all slots are full or until the closing date for team registration which is June 7th 1999, whichever is first. Teams entering WUCC. It is the responsibility of all National Associations to ensure that all teams entering WUCC from their country are aware of all the rules and regulations regarding eligibility to WUCC. National Associations are responsible for ensuring that all rosters are scrutinised and that all players on a team's roster meet the roster and eligibility guidelines for WUCC. These are repeated below. >From 'WFDF Tournament Directors Manual' Preliminary rosters for all club teams shall arrive with the TD, in the format provided by the TD, no later than four(4) months before the first day of play of the tournament. At this time teams will be requested to put forward a player fee deposit of no less than $US 2,500. Players not registered will be subject to a late penalty fee. This preliminary roster is not valid until accompanied by the appropriate player fee deposit. The team roster must be inspected by an official of the National Flying Disc Association which the club team represents before being sent to the TD. This official shall countersign the roster to indicate they have inspected it and found it to be in accordance with the definition of a club team provided in this TDM and any other directives provided by the Ultimate Committee. The rosters shall contain the following information on each player: Full name Shirt number (0-99) Date of birth Gender Permanent address Nationality Date of joining the club Explanations regarding eligibility, where appropriate Standard passport photograph The TD is responsible for providing the Chair of the Ultimate Committee with all team rosters no later than two (2) months before the first day of play. If it is necessary to make changes to the preliminary roster, a final roster for a club team may be submitted by fax or email to the Chair of the Ultimate Committee (or their designated representative) no later than fourteen (14) days before the first day of play. This amended roster may include the names of up to five (5) players not named in the preliminary roster and must be countersigned again by an official of the National Flying Disc Association which the club team represents. No players may be added to the roster in the final fourteen (14) days before the start of the tournament nor during the course of the tournament. A team may withdraw any player from competition at any time up to the initial payment deadlines. If a team withdrawing players from competition also adds new players to its roster, the forfeited player fee for the withdrawn players shall be counted toward the player fees for the added players. For a player to be registered to represent a club team it is necessary that he/she has: complied with the club team eligibility requirements set out below paid the player entry fee for the event The minimum number of players permitted on a roster for teams is twelve (12). All teams must register at least 12 players for the start of the tournament. If, during the course of the tournament, a team is not able to field at least 10 players for a single game, then the Tournament Rules Group (TRG) may suspend that team from competition on medical grounds. Definition of a club team For Open, Womens Co-ed and Masters Teams: A team comprised of players who have not, for the last four months prior to the WUCC played, competed or entered into competitive tournaments with any other team. Teams may have up to three players on their roster who are not regular members of their team. These individuals must not have played for any other team entered for WUCC for that year. These individuals must be clearly identified on the Team Roster. A sports club that is a legally recognised entity operating in one geographic area and with a membership base large enough to support more than one competitive team, may enter the tournament with a single team in each division of its choice, comprised of players selected from any regularly competing team of the club. It is the responsibility of National Associations to nominate bona fide club teams, up to three extra players and exceptions before the pre-registration roster deadline shall be approved under the following directives; Exceptions for Open and Womens Teams (all exceptions to apply) Common sense and the spirit of the game should prevail Countries nominating 2 or less teams should ensure a minimum of 51% of players are regular members of that team (this includes the three (3) players identified in 2 above)and the remainder of the team must be paid up member players of other teams and their National Association A further exception in this situation is when a player belongs to both a student team and a different club team. They may continue to play for both teams prior to WUCC. (NB: Hat competitions are not regarded as 'teams') The remainder of the team (maximum 49%)must be geographically adjacent to the club they wish to play for, not be closer geographically to any other teams from the same country entered for WUCC and whose own clubs are not entered in WUCC. Exceptions for Masters Teams Male and Female masters should be 30 years of age during the year of the tournament. Common sense and the spirit of the game should prevail Countries nominating 2 or less teams should ensure a minimum of 51% of players are regular members of that team. The remainder of the team must be paid up member players of other teams and the National Association The remainder of the team must be geographically adjacent to the club they wish to play for, not be closer geographically to any other teams from the same country entered for WUCC and whose own clubs are not entered in WUCC in any other division of the same gender as that player. Players living in more than one country may play together as an International Team and waive points three (3) and five (5) above at the discretion of the TD. Exceptions for Co-ed Teams Co-ed teams must field four players of one gender and three of the other at all times of play. Co-ed must have a minimum of seven of one gender and five of the other on their roster. Common sense and the spirit of the game should prevail Countries nominating 2 or less teams should ensure a minimum of 51% of players are regular members of that team. The remainder of the team must be paid up member players of other teams and the National Association The remainder of the team must be geographically adjacent to the club they wish to play for and not be closer geographically to any other teams from the same country entered for WUCC. Players living in more than one country may play together as an International Team and waive points three (3) and five (5) above at the discretion of the TD. After the preliminary rosters are due all exceptions to the definition of a team shall be scrutinised by the Chair of the Ultimate Committee (or their representative). Exceptions will be considered on a case by case basis and could, for example, include the case of a player who currently lives in a different geographic area but has historically played with the club. All rosters containing players classified as exceptions according to the definitions above must include an explanation for each of these exceptions that describes the particular circumstances that have made it possible to approve the player on the roster." (End of extract). Important Dates> October 30th Invitations to all WFDF Members who are National Associations. November 1st Teams are contacted directly by TD as National Associations nominate them for inclusion in WUCC December 1st All National Associations MUST have returned forms indicating the number of teams they intend to send to WUCC. Process of filling all slots begins. April 7th Final Payment of Team Fees due. Penalties after this date. June 7th Final Payment of player fees due. Penalties after this date. Team Registration closes June 14th All teams seeded, tournament format finalised and all games scheduled. July23rd All team Rosters close August 7th Teams arrive in St. Andrews There will be significant Rule changes in operation for WUCC 1999. These will involve time restrictions on a number of aspects of play with the intention of speeding the game up. These will be circulated to all National Associations and teams by January 1st 1999. WFDF World Ultimate Club Championships – St. Andrews, Scotland. Allocation of teams from each National Association Open T=40 Women T=24 Masters T=16 Co-ed T=16 USA 5 USA 3 Canada 2 Canada 2 Canada 4 Japan 3 USA 2 USA 2 Japan 3 Canada 2 Netherlands 2 Germany 2 Sweden 3 Finland 2 Japan 1 Brazil 1 Finland 3 Sweden 2 Sweden 1 Austria 1 Germany 3 Great Britain 2 Great Britain 1 Great Britain 1 Australia 2 Australia 2 Germany 1 Scotland 1 Great Britain 2 Netherlands 2 Australia 1 Japan 1 Venezuela 1 Germany 1 Finland 1 Sweden 1 Colombia 1 New Zealand 1 New Zealand 1 Finland 1 S. Africa 1 Switzerland 1 Switzerland 1 Australia 1 Netherlands 1 Czech Republic 1 Italy 1 New Zealand 1 Brazil 1 Italy 1 International 1 International 1 Mexico 1 France 1 New Zealand 1 Switzerland 1 Reserves Reserves Reserves Italy 1 Belgium Scotland Mexico France 1 Denmark France Netherlands Czech Republic 1 Scotland Denmark Switzerland Denmark 1 Austria Belgium Italy Hong Kong 1 Venezuela Austria Denmark Austria 1 Columbia Czech Republic France Scotland 1 South Africa Belgium Reserves Czech Republic Ireland Estonia/Latvia Hungary Taiwan Belgium Norway WFDF World Ultimate Club Championships – St. Andrews, Scotland. Registration Form for National Associations Name of National Association: Main Contact for WUCC: Address: Telephone numbers: Email: Web Site: I confirm that I shall be sending the following number of teams to WUCC in each division: Open ¨ Women ¨ Masters ¨ Co-ed ¨ I confirm that I would like to send a team from the Reserve List in the following divisions Open ¨ Women ¨ Masters ¨ Co-ed ¨ I confirm that I would like to send extra teams to WUCC in the following divisions: Open ¨ Women ¨ Masters ¨ Co-ed ¨ Please send all contact details of all teams that you will send or intend to send to WUCC. This should include: Team Name: MainContact: Address and telephone numbers: Email address. The sooner teams are notified by the TD the sooner they will receive the full team information on the tournament including accommodation options, travel arrangements and tournament conditions. This proforma should be returned by December 1st at the latest. Send to: Charlie Mead, 67 Cotton Lane, Birmingham B13 9SE, England Email: charles.mead@easynet.co.uk --------------90B5C0380CCB9E6C720E65A8-- From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Nov 2 22:46:39 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id WAA06178 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 22:31:44 GMT Received: from mail-gw1.webleicester.net (mailgate.webleicester.co.uk [195.146.160.12]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA06158 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 22:31:40 GMT Received: from pii266 (pool-pri2-058.webleicester.co.uk [195.146.164.58]) by mail-gw1.webleicester.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id WAA18618 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 22:26:51 GMT Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 22:36:32 -0000 Message-ID: <01BE06B1.3D91DCA0.bravil@webleicester.co.uk> From: Ben Ravilious Reply-To: "bravil@webleicester.co.uk" To: "'Britdisc'" Subject: Staffordshire Area Player... Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 22:34:43 -0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk [BR] Any of you Wolves/Telford/Brummie people interested or able to help this guy? I helping hand from someone might be what he needs to get his team off the ground. Ben Edward Scotcher 133, Oxford Gardens, Stafford. ST16 3JD 01785 607663 " I am looking into starting an ultimate frisbee team here at Staffordshire University. I have played Ultimate frisbee before with my school (Wymondham College, Norfolk - "High Pie")." From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Nov 3 10:22:27 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA03645 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 10:06:06 GMT Received: from panduit.de (mail.panduit.de [195.88.88.125]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA03626 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 10:06:02 GMT Received: from D-Message_Server by panduit.de with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 03 Nov 1998 11:13:20 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 11:07:44 +0100 From: "Paolo A. Nistri" To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk, giampi@gandalf.ciam.unibo.it Subject: UTI -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Ciao Jumpi, Senti non mi conosci ma gioco con Catch 22 campioni in carica Britannici. Volevo solo chiederti cosa vuoi da quelle minchie perdenti di UTI!!! Non sprecare il fiato parlando con quella razza di giocatori inferiori!?! (scherzo, eh! Mah...ora che ci penso mica tanto!) Ciao Paolo... Catch 22 >>> Jumpi 11/02/98 01:03pm >>> Hi all, i'm Jumpi from Rimini, Italy and i'm looking for anyone from UTI. Can anybody help me? Thanks in advance! Ciao! -- -Jumpi ********** "We're jamming 'til the jam is through" (B.Marley) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Nov 3 11:06:27 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA18977 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 10:52:27 GMT Received: from hillend.cent.gla.ac.uk (hillend.cent.gla.ac.uk [130.209.16.102]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA18921 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 10:52:20 GMT Received: from studentsw.cent.gla.ac.uk ([130.209.13.104] helo=lms.student.gla.ac.uk) by hillend.cent.gla.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #7) for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk id 0zae4Q-00078S-00; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 10:52:18 +0000 Received: from STUDENT_SW/SpoolDir by lms.student.gla.ac.uk (Mercury 1.40); 3 Nov 98 10:52:18 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by STUDENT_SW (Mercury 1.40); 3 Nov 98 10:52:00 +0000 From: "Ed Coates" <9705060c@student.gla.ac.uk> Organization: Glasgow University To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 10:51:53 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Northen Student Regionals X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v3.01b) Message-ID: <8A8A880ACE@lms.student.gla.ac.uk> X-X-Confirm-Reading-To: "Ed Coates" <9705060c@student.gla.ac.uk> (SUPPRESSED at gla.ac.uk) Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi there! I was just wondering if anyone out there knows where or when the Northern Student regionals are happening this year, cos they're still not on the BFDF Events List. Cheerio Ed ______________________________________________________________ Ed Coates Captain of Far Flung, Ultimate at Glasgow University Flat 2b 5 Ruchill St Glasgow G20 9RJ 0141 946 3422 You can kill me but the legalities of eating me are a whole lot dicier. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Nov 3 11:09:18 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA20313 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 10:55:25 GMT Received: from hotmail.com (f151.hotmail.com [207.82.251.30]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA20252 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 10:55:19 GMT Received: (qmail 28283 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 1998 10:54:41 -0000 Message-ID: <19981103105441.28281.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 134.36.142.36 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 03 Nov 1998 02:54:40 PST X-Originating-IP: [134.36.142.36] From: "Jester Bit" To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Northern Student Regionals MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 02:54:40 PST Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi BDers Does anyone know if anything has been organised for the northern student regionals? I see from the events diary the Midlands and the South West are scheduled for the 21st and 28th on November. Are the Fish having it large in Lancaster again or what? Cheers for now All the bester Jest*r O | /| / | / | / | / \_____ ____/ \ \ / /\_______\ \ | / x - \ | \ / \ o /| \ | | \__/ | \ | O \ | \| \_| | O ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Nov 3 11:45:23 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id LAA01962 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 11:30:02 GMT Received: from shrimp.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (ralf@shrimp [137.205.227.130]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA01946 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 11:29:59 GMT Received: (from ralf@localhost) by shrimp.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id LAA09433 for britdisc@csv; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 11:31:48 GMT From: Ralf Message-Id: <199811031131.LAA09433@shrimp.dcs.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: [frisbee-nsw] National Associations-Team Allocation on the web (fwd) To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 11:31:47 +0000 (GMT) X-Quote: Productivity is in the eye of the beholder. X-Quote: The closest to perfection a person ever comes is when they fill out a job application. X-Quote: For every credibility gap, there's a gullibility fill. X-Quote: I think there is a world market for about five computers. -- Thomas J. Watson, CEO, IBM Corporation, 1947 X-Freedom: 78 days... X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL35 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk ----- Forwarded message from Andrew Morris ----- >From owner-frisbee-nsw@zip.com.au Tue Nov 3 04:20:06 1998 Message-Id: Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 15:18:55 +1100 To: frisbee-nsw@zip.com.au From: morrisaa@ozemail.com.au (Andrew Morris) Subject: [frisbee-nsw] National Associations-Team Allocation on the web Sender: owner-frisbee-nsw@zip.com.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: morrisaa@ozemail.com.au (Andrew Morris) For all those interested the final version of the National Associations-Team Allocation for WUCC 99 ia at the following address. http://www.ira.uka.de/~thgries/disc/termin_descr/wucc99.html until the official WUC web site is up. Andrew *+=-=+* *+=-=+* To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send email to majordomo@zip.com.au and include in the body of the text: unsubscribe frisbee-nsw *+=-=+* *+=-=+* ----- End of forwarded message from Andrew Morris ----- ____ ____ _ _ ____ .----------------------------------------. _\__ \ _\__ \ / \ / \\__/ | Ranulf Doswell | / \_/ /_ / \_/ \ / / / /___ | Department of Computer Science | \ __ \\ __ \\ \ _\ \\_/ |University of Warwick, COVENTRY, CV4 7AL| \ \ \ \\ \ \ \\ \__/ \\ \ | Phone: 01203 523296 Fax: 01203 525714 | \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \______/ \_/ `----------------------------------------' From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Nov 3 11:47:14 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id LAA04876 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 11:39:49 GMT Received: from renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk (renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk [129.215.13.3]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA04841 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 11:39:39 GMT Received: from eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk (eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk [129.215.13.1]) by renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA10785 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 11:39:38 GMT Received: from SMS-EIGG/SpoolDir by eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk (Mercury 1.43); 3 Nov 98 11:39:38 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by SMS-EIGG (Mercury 1.43); 3 Nov 98 11:39:15 +0000 From: "James Spicer" <9550732@eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 11:39:11 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Beginners 98 FULL X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.52) Message-ID: <1CC16AC029B@eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Dear All Below is a list of the teams who are entered into the bginners tournament. Apolgies for any dissapointment awaiting list is being drawn up but don't hold your breath. Teams entered are Superfly Far Flung One Far Flung two Mohawks Alien Nation Cranfield Smashing rabbit Mild Mannered Jaintors Reservoir Fish Munwci see Gratham College Jesters Phat eds one Phat eds two Phat eds three Aberdeen Ro Sham bo Ro Sham bo Durahm 1 (northern Lights) Durahm 2 Sneeeky's Shooting Stars Bradford Flying Sourcerors 1 Flying Sourceors 2 24 teams The tournament is now Full and a waiting list has been drawn up of those teams that have sent money in. Strange Blue Gratham College We will send you back the cheques after the tournament if you don't get in. Information pack I 'plan' to get out on friday or saturday. The inital format will be unchanged looks as if we will be meeting in the Physician and Firkin on the Friday Night and accomadation will sorted out there. See you on friday 13th then James From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Nov 3 12:21:44 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA14186 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 12:04:53 GMT Received: from spuggie.cen.brad.ac.uk (root@spuggie.cen.brad.ac.uk [143.53.238.24] (may be forged)) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA14174 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 12:04:51 GMT Received: from kite.cen.brad.ac.uk (bjsilcoc@kite.cen.brad.ac.uk [143.53.238.22]) by spuggie.cen.brad.ac.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id MAA26955 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 12:04:49 GMT Received: from localhost (bjsilcoc@localhost) by kite.cen.brad.ac.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id MAA02151 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 12:04:49 GMT Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 12:04:48 +0000 (BST) From: "Flowers never bend with the rainfall." X-Sender: bjsilcoc@kite.cen.brad.ac.uk To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Jedi Children Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Can Sombody from Jedi Contact me please I've lost all me contact adresses. Cheers. Ben ***************************************************************************** `'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'` '`'`'`'Benjamin Silcock * Biomedical Sciences * Bradford University '`'`'`'`' `'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'` '`'`'`'`'`If you live life for every moment, Tomorrow never comes`'`'`'`'`'`' `'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'` '`'`'`'`'`When I die, my whole life will be forgotten. Will yours?'`'`'`'`'`' `'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'` ***************************************************************************** From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Nov 3 14:11:14 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id NAA21441 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 13:53:14 GMT Received: from hotmail.com (f29.hotmail.com [207.82.250.40]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA21210 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 13:52:46 GMT Received: (qmail 25117 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 1998 13:51:56 -0000 Message-ID: <19981103135156.25116.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 195.50.71.148 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 03 Nov 1998 05:51:54 PST X-Originating-IP: [195.50.71.148] From: "bob kumar" To: Britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Five-a-side footy Tournamemt MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 05:51:54 PST Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk The final place for the fotty tournament has been claimed, so all the teams who didn't qulalify - you keep talking the talk and leave the pro's to do the walking - as if you stood a chance Mr Men!! The teams that have qualified have been drawn into two groups which are below. GROUP A GROUP B More Janitors Yorkshire Water Janitors U.T.I. Jedi Children Catch 22 Brechin City Superfly The matches will start at 10am at the Leeds Uni Sports centre on 28th November, with each game lasting 12minutes. There is no head height rule and once all the group games have been played the teams will be seeded into a knockout tournament. Directions and accommodation are availible upon request. Any probs call the Janitors (0113) 2249680, if not seeya on 28th......Bring it on!!! Cheers Janitors Oh yeah paolo, don't forget your slippers.... ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Nov 3 14:17:13 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id OAA28091 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 14:10:19 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA28062 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 14:10:16 GMT Received: from [158.152.23.8] (helo=cayman.actix1) by post.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.05demon1 #1) id 0zah9z-0000jH-00 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 14:10:15 +0000 Received: by CAYMAN with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 13:41:09 -0000 Message-ID: From: Simon Hill To: "'britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk'" Cc: Simon Hill Subject: tour, nationals, wucc Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 13:41:06 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk I've been reading the conversations about qualification to WUCC... I thought it might be worth making a slightly tangential point (if such a thing can exist). People have frequently been referring to teams qualifying for WUCC, and have usually made reference to the tour in these comments. In fact, the 'BUF' did actually state at the beginning of the season that qualification would be on the basis of Nationals (as it has been before). Of course - the Tour feeds into Nationals, so in that sense the Tour also has a bearing on qualification. I realise that many people see the Tour as being a more accurate means by which to decide on a ranking because it is based on many (as opposed to one) events. This is a discussion for the future - personally I think its fifty-fifty. Anyway - I wasn't sure if everyone was aware of the situation so I thought I'd mention it. Given the situation described above, I am curious to know how "we" are going to rank the Gun and Chev...(since they tied 3rd at Nationals) - ooops! Si (22) ps - this is my new email address! From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Nov 3 19:47:25 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id TAA10019 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 19:31:24 GMT Received: from boober.lineone.net (boober-be.lineone.net [194.75.152.84]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA09828 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 19:31:12 GMT Received: from dad (host5-171-235-11.btinternet.com [195.171.235.11]) by boober.lineone.net (8.8.5/8.8.0) with ESMTP id TAA04811 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 19:30:37 GMT Message-Id: <199811031930.TAA04811@boober.lineone.net> Reply-To: From: "Chaseframe" To: Subject: Discs Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 19:34:47 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Could anyone with around 25 discs to sell contact me or anyone know anywhere I can get some cheap let me know Cheers, Spud Kings college London please mail both here and timothy.surry@kcl.ac.uk Email : chaseframe@lineone.net Web Site : http://website.lineone.net/~chaseframe From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Nov 4 11:44:44 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id LAA29792 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 11:29:09 GMT Received: from taurus.cus.cam.ac.uk (cusexim@taurus.cus.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.48]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA29751 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 11:29:03 GMT Received: from caj1.arch.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.34.20]) by taurus.cus.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.051 #2) id 0zb17V-0005px-00 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 11:29:01 +0000 Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 12:32:28 GMT From: "Dora A. Kemp" To: Subject: Phat eds X-Mailer: Mulberry [1.0.1, s/n #10001] X-Authenticated: dak12 by imap.cus.cam.ac.uk X-Licensed-To: University of Cambridge MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Can anyone give me a current email address for Phat Eds? The web site one seems to be out of date. Cheers Dora McDonald Institute for Archaeological Research Downing Street, Cambridge, England, CB2 3ER (01223) 339336; (01223) 333536 (FAX)/(01223) 339285; dak12@cam.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Nov 4 14:02:42 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id NAA21167 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 13:51:46 GMT Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com (imo17.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.7]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA21072 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 13:51:30 GMT From: Madbob111@aol.com Received: from Madbob111@aol.com by imo17.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id EPYGa04133 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 08:50:25 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 08:50:25 EST To: britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: anyone interested? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0.i for Windows sub 175 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Is anyone out there? Bob here, chaos. anyone interested in a freindly saturday session indoors.!!!? A couple of hours indoors for anyone in the vacinity, I need to know who's interested so I can book the sports hall. All teams welcome - let me know BoB. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Nov 4 14:16:19 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id OAA27279 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 14:09:19 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA27235 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 14:09:14 GMT Received: from [158.152.23.8] (helo=cayman.actix1) by post.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.05demon1 #1) id 0zb3cW-0001p0-00 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 14:09:13 +0000 Received: by CAYMAN with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 13:14:45 -0000 Message-ID: From: Simon Hill To: "'britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk'" Cc: Simon Hill Subject: Trent Park, calling Colin (or other help) Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 13:14:43 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Can anyone tell me who I need to contact at Trent Park to talk about practicing there sometimes? Can one of you UTI boys let me have Wagstaff's phone number please? - or - if you are reading this Colin: I know you have the Trent Park info. Are you back from Barcelona? Why can't I get your email address to work? Rapid response a great help! Thanks Si (22) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Nov 4 16:12:48 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id PAA01998 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 15:53:57 GMT Received: from mail2.lancs.ac.uk (mail2.lancs.ac.uk [148.88.8.13]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA01973 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 15:53:54 GMT Received: from mail2.lancs.ac.uk (actually host localhost) by mail2.lancs.ac.uk with Local SMTP (PP); Wed, 4 Nov 1998 15:48:16 +0000 Received: from unixa.lancs.ac.uk (unixa.lancs.ac.uk [148.88.16.114]) by mail2.lancs.ac.uk with SpooMTA 1.23; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 15:48:16 +0000 Received: (from ultimate@localhost) by unixa.lancs.ac.uk (8.8.4/8.6.12) id PAA25023; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 15:47:41 GMT Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 15:47:39 +0000 (GMT) From: Lancaster Ultimate To: Jester Bit cc: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Re: Northern Student Regionals In-Reply-To: <19981103105441.28281.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk On Tue, 3 Nov 1998, Jester Bit wrote: > Hi BDers > > Does anyone know if anything has been organised for the northern student > regionals? I see from the events diary the Midlands and the South West > are scheduled for the 21st and 28th on November. Are the Fish having it > large in Lancaster again or what? > > Cheers for now > All the bester > Jest*r Well we are having it again, and yes you guys will be having it large all weekend. Unfortunately we have had a bit of trouble with getting the hall again, so it looks like it is going to have to be next term, probably on the 16th and 17th of Jan. Let us know if that is going to cause many problems for all those northern student teams out there. Formal invites will be coming through the post shortly. Cheers, Scott ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Reservoir Fish Ultimate at Lancaster ultimate@lancaster.ac.uk http://www.lancs.ac.uk/socs/ultimate --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Nov 5 19:47:56 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id TAA10696 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 5 Nov 1998 19:24:27 GMT Received: from clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@clover-fddi [137.205.4.2]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA10640 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 1998 19:24:20 GMT Received: from mail1.svr.freeserve.net (mail1.svr.freeserve.net [194.152.65.210]) by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA22127 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 1998 18:40:40 GMT Received: from modem-72.magnesium.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.5.200] helo=default) by mail1.svr.freeserve.net with smtp (Exim 2.05iplimit-2 #5) id 0zbTa2-0006PL-00 for britdisc@warwick.ac.uk; Thu, 5 Nov 1998 17:52:23 +0000 Message-ID: <000f01be08e4$c5305f80$c805883e@default> From: "Wayne Davey" To: "Britdisc" Subject: Worlds eclipsed Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 17:49:33 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000C_01BE08E4.A5886E20" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01BE08E4.A5886E20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Am I right in thinking that World Clubs next year coincides with the = Solar Eclipse? As far as I know St Andrews will be about the worst place in the whole = of Europe from which to view the event. Wayne Davey UTI Doom Merchant ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01BE08E4.A5886E20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Am I right in thinking that World = Clubs next=20 year coincides with the Solar Eclipse?
 
As far as I know St Andrews will be = about the=20 worst place in the whole of
Europe from which to view the=20 event.
 
Wayne Davey
UTI Doom = Merchant
------=_NextPart_000_000C_01BE08E4.A5886E20-- From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Nov 6 09:53:58 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id JAA07561 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 09:33:55 GMT Received: from newsgate.dircon.co.uk (newsgate.dircon.co.uk [194.112.32.81]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA07550 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 09:33:50 GMT Received: from dmotive.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by newsgate.dircon.co.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with UUCP id JAA12872 for britdisc@warwick.ac.uk; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 09:33:45 GMT Date: 06 Nov 98 08:47:05 +0100 From: Oz Freire Subject: RE>Worlds eclipsed To: Britdisc , Wayne Davey Message-ID: <981106.084705@designmotive.co.uk> X-Mailer: InterCall 1.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id JAA07553 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk RE>Worlds eclipsed 6/11/98 As the worlds next year coincides with the last eclipse of the century, could we use this to gain a bigger allocation for GB teams just a thought Oz From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Nov 6 11:31:52 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id LAA05690 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 11:06:32 GMT Received: from tgis.co.uk (galahad.tgis.co.uk [195.188.4.6]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA05617 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 11:06:23 GMT Received: from syscap.com (p011.5399-1.saturn.ispc.net [212.46.128.31]) by tgis.co.uk (8.8.7/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA26608; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 11:06:14 GMT Posted-Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 11:06:14 GMT Received: from [195.188.6.81] by syscap.com Fri, 06 Nov 98 11:07:18 +0000 X-Sender: pharvey@195.188.6.1 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 11:07:13 +0000 To: Oz Freire From: pharvey@syscap.com (Peter Harvey) Subject: Re: RE>Worlds eclipsed Cc: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk I thought I saw an eclipse earlier this year... ... but it was just Mr.Batchelor skying for a disc. Harv > RE>Worlds eclipsed 6/11/98 >As the worlds next year coincides with the last eclipse of the century, could we use this to gain a bigger allocation for GB teams > >just a thought > >Oz From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Nov 6 15:16:57 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id PAA16822 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 15:00:16 GMT Received: from clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@clover-fddi [137.205.4.2]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA16796 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 15:00:09 GMT Received: from europa.bton.ac.uk (europa.bton.ac.uk [194.83.112.9]) by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA17817 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 14:28:01 GMT Received: from alpha2.bton.ac.uk ([194.81.203.3]) by europa.bton.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.92 #1) id 0zbmrm-000140-00; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 14:27:58 +0000 Received: from localhost by alpha2.bton.ac.uk (5.65v4.0/1.1.8.2/28Jul95-0212PM) id AA09929; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 14:27:58 GMT Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 14:27:57 +0000 (GMT) From: Ali Findlay To: Madbob111@aol.com Cc: britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Subject: S.e student regionals In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk The above tournament is now nearly full. Confirmed entry Mohawks 1,2,3 Skunks 1,2,3 Strange Blue 1,2 P.D.Q 1,2 Chaos Payment assured or in post K-niggets 1,2 Cranfield 1 Kings These places will be held until Nov 11 Imperial college as you did conatact me I will hold you a place open until monday, after that the final place will be up for grabs. Toxic Ninja Attack where are you!!!! Tournament details will be sent out next week, I would appreciate it if you would send me approx no. so I can sort out accomodation(if you haven't already done so), and also if you require friday night accomodation. ALi T.D S.e regionals From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Nov 6 15:50:44 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id PAA23426 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 15:24:50 GMT Received: from admin.warwick.ac.uk (sigma [137.205.249.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA23370 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 15:24:43 GMT Received: from SIGMA/SpoolDir by admin.warwick.ac.uk (Mercury 1.40); 6 Nov 98 15:24:44 GMT+0000 Received: from SpoolDir by SIGMA (Mercury 1.40); 6 Nov 98 15:24:23 GMT+0000 From: "Derek Robins" Organization: University of Warwick, CV4 7AL, UK To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 15:24:15 +0000 (GMT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Disc Golf Newsletter Message-ID: <17BE60C23A8@admin.warwick.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk The latest BDGA newsletter was produced recently. If you are a lapsed BDGA member or want to join as new member now is a good time to do so, as your subs will last you to the end of next year. Waged is 9 pounds for the year Unwaged is 7 pounds. Cheques payable to BDGA to be sent to 50 Spring Lane Kenilworth Warwickshire CV8 2HD I have no address for 3 current subscribers Darroch Reid Peter Coy Simon Moore please send me addresses for these people. Del BDGA web site is at www.ultimateweb.co.uk/bdga/ Check out the Ealing Bongos site at easyweb.easynet.co.uk/~paul.knutton/discgolf1/ *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*- Derek Robins | | D.J.Robins@admin.warwick.ac.uk Finance Office | | Tel 01203 522710 University of Warwick | | Fax 01203 572645 Coventry CV4 7AL | | Home 01926 864136 *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*- From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Nov 6 20:42:13 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id UAA10606 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 20:29:38 GMT Received: from holly.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@holly-fddi [137.205.4.5]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA10585 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 20:29:32 GMT From: Tebewebb@aol.com Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (imo19.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.9]) by holly.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA11136 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 15:47:22 GMT Received: from Tebewebb@aol.com by imo19.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id 4KMJa04682; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 10:43:06 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 10:43:06 EST To: pharvey@syscap.com, oz.freire@designmotive.co.uk Cc: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: RE>Worlds eclipsed Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 49 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-11-06 06:38:13 EST, pharvey@syscap.com writes: << I thought I saw an eclipse earlier this year... ... but it was just Mr.Batchelor skying for a disc. Harv >> Skying? I repeat, "Skying?" ??? Harv, you must be more confused than I thought. Stephen formerly Gun, always Happy, now Pocomoke From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Nov 9 00:20:28 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id TAA18307 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 5 Nov 1998 19:40:13 GMT Received: from clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@clover-fddi [137.205.4.2]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA17504 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 1998 19:37:57 GMT Received: from crane.cf.ac.uk (crane.cf.ac.uk [131.251.0.45]) by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA20214 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 1998 18:22:17 GMT Received: from HUMSCF2S.CF.AC.UK by crane.cf.ac.uk with SMTP-LOC (PP); Thu, 5 Nov 1998 16:57:40 +0000 Received: from HUMSCF2S/SpoolDir by HUMSCF2S.CF.AC.UK (Mercury 1.43); 5 Nov 98 16:57:39 GMT0BST Received: from SpoolDir by HUMSCF2S (Mercury 1.43); 5 Nov 98 16:57:27 GMT0BST From: DAVID BARNARD To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 16:57:27 GMT0BST Subject: SW student regionals CC: paulruff@hotmail.com, paul.denton@uwe.ac.uk, Baggio , jewell tara s <97315250@brookes.ac.uk>, "CC Hebert, Engineering 95" In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.54) Message-ID: <49121B45A41@HUMSCF2S.CF.AC.UK> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Calling student teams. The South West Student Regionals are to be held in Cardiff on the 28th and 29th of November. The invites will be sent out on monday. The cost is 70 pounds made payable to UWC ULTIMATE FRISBEE. Those teams who would like to enter more than one team please let me know asap. Send cheques to: Dave Barnard 45 Colum rd, Cathays, Cardiff, CF1 3EE. Dave Barnard and Gaz Davies - tournament directors Dave Barnard - Catch 22, No Frills & MTJAH @ 01222 373095 From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Nov 9 08:00:06 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id HAA08782 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 07:47:04 GMT Received: from gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (ralf@gem [137.205.227.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA08771 for ; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 07:47:02 GMT Received: (from ralf@localhost) by gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id HAA19489 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 07:47:01 GMT Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 07:47:01 GMT From: Ranulf Doswell Message-Id: <199811090747.HAA19489@gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: BFDF Events Reminder Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk British Flying Disc Federation Disc Events Diary ------------------------------------------------ The events list can also be found at http://www.dcs.warwick.ac.uk/~ralf/bfdf/ ---------- Saturday 14th November 1998 Edinburgh beginners (2 days) @ Meadowbank, Edinburgh [Beginners' Ultimate] Contact James Spicer Email J.A.Spicer@sms.ed.ac.uk URL http://www.ed.ac.uk/~ultimate/ Saturday 21st November 1998 Student Indoor South East Qualifiers (2 days) @ Brighton [Students' Indoor Ultimate] Contact Ali Findlay Email A.Findlay@bton.ac.uk Phone 01273 606589 Student Indoor Midland Qualifiers (2 days) [Students' Indoor Ultimate] Contact Simon Weeks Address 74 Commonside Sheffeild S10 1GG Email gga95sew@sheffield.ac.uk Phone 0114 266 2304 Saturday 28th November 1998 Student Indoor South West Qualifiers (2 days) @ Cardiff [Students' Indoor Ultimate] Contact Dave Barnard Email BarnardDW@cardiff.ac.uk Phone 0411 691129 Saturday 19th December 1998 Southampton Indoors (2 days) [Indoor Ultimate] Contact Suzanne Penfold Email scp195@soton.ac.uk Saturday 9th January 1999 Red Co-ed Indoors (2 days) @ Aylestone Leisure Centre, Leicester. [Indoor Ultimate] note change of venue Contact Leicester Ultimate Club (Red) Address PO Box 1075 Leicester LE2 1YQ Email red@ultimateweb.co.uk Phone 0116 2559638 (Ben Ravilious) Saturday 13th February 1999 Warwick Indoors (2 days) [Indoor Ultimate] Contact Mike Clements (Percy) Email ecumu@csv.warwick.ac.uk URL http://www.csv.warwick.ac.uk/~suaaz/ Saturday 27th February 1999 National Student Indoors (2 days) @ Leeds [Students' Indoor Ultimate] TD Jon Chewins Email bgy6jgc@South-02.novell.leeds.ac.uk Saturday 6th March 1999 Indoor Regionals (2 days) [Indoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Saturday 13th March 1999 Indoor Regionals (2 days) [Indoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Saturday 20th March 1999 Indoor Nationals (2 days) [Indoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Saturday 27th March 1999 Red Outdoors (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Leicester Ultimate Club (Red) Address PO Box 1075 Leicester LE2 1YQ Email red@ultimateweb.co.uk Phone 0116 2559638 (Ben Ravilious) Saturday 3rd April 1999 Dublin Outdoors (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 10th April 1999 Tour I (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Saturday 1st May 1999 Brugge (2 days) TBC [Outdoor Ultimate Abroad] Saturday 8th May 1999 Tour II (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Thursday 13th May 1999 Rotterdam (4 days) TBC [Outdoor Ultimate Abroad] Saturday 5th June 1999 Tour III (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Saturday 12th June 1999 Fiesta (2 days) TBC [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Laura Lafave Email lafave@cs.bris.ac.uk Phone (w) +44-117-954 5128 Saturday 26th June 1999 Tour IV (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Saturday 17th July 1999 Tour V (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Saturday 24th July 1999 Ross on Wye (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 7th August 1999 Worlds (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate Abroad] Saturday 14th August 1999 Worlds (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate Abroad] Saturday 25th September 1999 Nationals (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk ---------------------------------------------------------- British Flying Disc Federation Disc Events Diary http://www.dcs.warwick.ac.uk/~ralf/bfdf/ Ranulf Doswell, ralf@dcs.warwick.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Nov 9 08:45:12 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id IAA13136 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 08:32:13 GMT Received: from polaris.bmpddb.com (mailhost.bmpddb.com [193.130.32.70]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA13124 for ; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 08:32:11 GMT Received: by POLARIS with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 08:30:24 -0000 Message-ID: From: David Trovell To: "'Wayne Davey'" , Britdisc Subject: RE: Worlds eclipsed Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 08:30:23 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id IAA13127 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk and..? > -----Original Message----- > From: Wayne Davey [SMTP:wayne@ultimate.freeserve.co.uk] > Sent: 05 November 1998 17:50 > To: Britdisc > Subject: Worlds eclipsed > > Am I right in thinking that World Clubs next year coincides with the Solar > Eclipse? >   > As far as I know St Andrews will be about the worst place in the whole of > Europe from which to view the event. >   > Wayne Davey > UTI Doom Merchant From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Nov 9 13:12:34 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA24842 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 12:53:06 GMT Received: from pp2.shef.ac.uk (pp2.shef.ac.uk [143.167.1.32]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA24690; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 12:52:43 GMT Received: from [143.167.79.249] (helo=pebley.shef.ac.uk) by pp2.shef.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.02 #5) id 0zcqnk-0002XI-00; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 12:52:12 +0000 Received: from PEBLEY/SpoolDir by pebley.shef.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); 9 Nov 98 12:52:12 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by PEBLEY (Mercury 1.43); 9 Nov 98 12:52:06 +0000 From: "Si Weeks" To: Midland.Ultimate.Teams@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 12:52:00 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Midland Qualifiers Update CC: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <136AE092667@pebley.shef.ac.uk> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-printable to 8bit by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id MAA24692 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk The Story so far... PAID Bears One Bears Two Bears Three Bears Four Phat 'eds One Phat 'eds Two Phat 'eds Three Phat 'eds Four Mwnci See Mwnci Do Purple Haze IN POST (ALLEGEDLY) Jesters One Jesters Two Superfly Fingers 6 One Fingers 6 Two Fickled Fingers (Junior Team) POSSIBLES Hull (Wombles?) Birmingham - do you still exist? Junior Teams I haven't heard from - Matt Lowe's Team, Stan's Team and David Unwin's Team Could all those teams on the POSSIBLES and IN POST list let me know what they are doing. Directions will be going in the post at the end of the week for those teams paid up (Purple Haze I have no address to send directions to - let me know). For those who want to see the details, here they are: For the third year running the Student Indoor Midland Qualifiers will be hosted here in the city of Sheffield. This year we will be hosting it at a new venue, which is slightly wider - so no more string and paper. In addition the party will be at a new improved location at the Student Union, with bar until 1am. The weekend for the tournament is the 21st/22nd November at Concorde Sports Centre. The cost as last year is £75 per team, cheques made payable to ‘More than just a Tournament’ and should be sent to the address in the signature of this email. The captains meeting will be at 8.30am on Saturday morning with play commencing at 9am. Accommodation ( I mean floorspace - don’t get your hopes up) will of course be provided on Saturday night. We will finish around 5.30pm on Sunday giving you enough time to get home and finish that assignment that you meant to finish before the weekend. Look forward to seeing you all here in Sheffield, Simon Weeks Tournament Director -------------------------- 74 commonside sheffield s10 1gg 0114 266 2304 From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Nov 9 13:15:23 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id NAA28052 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 13:03:13 GMT Received: from pop.esat.net (ernie.esat.net [192.111.39.10]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA28002 for ; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 13:03:05 GMT Received: from sepro.ie (mailserver.sepro.ie [193.120.132.131]) by pop.esat.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA30780 for ; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 13:00:06 GMT Received: from sepro_peterb [192.168.1.106] by sepro.ie [192.168.1.2] with SMTP (MDaemon.v2.7.SP3.R) for ; Mon, 09 Nov 1998 12:59:12 +0000 From: "Peter Bennison" To: "Britdisc" Subject: Looking for Channel 4 documentary on Worlds Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 13:02:23 -0000 Message-ID: <000a01be0be1$31817f30$6a01a8c0@sepro_peterb.sepro.ie> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Reply-To: pbennison@sepro.ie Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Evidently, Ch. 4 did a documentary on Ultimate and the Worlds (in Colchester?) a few years ago. Does anybody have a video of it? The Pookas are getting a bit tired doing live demos at all of our fresher fairs (plus it hurts laying out on concrete!). If you have it, you will be handsomely rewarded if you send us it for copying. (you'll get the tape back, plus shipping and handling). Otherwise, if you could send us a copy, we'll reimburse you. Thanks a bunch, Peter Pookas - Dublin Ultimate From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Nov 9 14:03:15 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id NAA12172 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 13:44:48 GMT Received: from gw-us1new.philips.com (gw-us1new.philips.com [205.167.14.36]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA12127 for ; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 13:44:41 GMT Received: from smtprelay-nl1.philips.com (localhost.philips.com [127.0.0.1]) by gw-us1new.philips.com with ESMTP id IAA27233; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 08:44:23 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from andy.kayley@soton.sc.philips.com) Received: from smtprelay-eur1.philips.com(130.139.36.3) by gw-us1new.philips.com via mwrap (4.0a) id xma027230; Mon, 9 Nov 98 08:44:23 -0500 Received: from mailgate.soton.sc.philips.com (scids.prl.research.philips.com [130.141.89.1]) by smtprelay-nl1.philips.com (8.8.5/8.6.10-1.2.2m-970826) with ESMTP id OAA24964; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 14:44:21 +0100 (MET) Received: from diamond.soton.sc.philips.com ([130.141.7.174]) by mailgate.soton.sc.philips.com (8.6.10/8.6.10-1.001a-24Jul96) with ESMTP id NAA01218; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 13:48:37 GMT Received: from diamond (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by diamond.soton.sc.philips.com (8.6.10/8.6.10-1.001a-24Jul96) with SMTP id NAA00338; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 13:43:11 GMT Message-ID: <3646F16E.4131@soton.sc.philips.com> Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1998 13:43:10 +0000 From: Andy Kayley Organization: Philips Semiconductors Ltd. (Southampton) X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (X11; I; HP-UX B.10.20 9000/879) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pbennison@sepro.ie CC: Britdisc Subject: Re: Looking for Channel 4 documentary on Worlds References: <000a01be0be1$31817f30$6a01a8c0@sepro_peterb.sepro.ie> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Peter Bennison wrote: > > Evidently, Ch. 4 did a documentary on Ultimate and the Worlds (in > Colchester?) a few years ago. Does anybody have a video of it? The Pookas > are getting a bit tired doing live demos at all of our fresher fairs (plus > it hurts laying out on concrete!). > Crazy suggestion here, but don't layout on concrete!! > If you have it, you will be handsomely rewarded if you send us it for > copying. (you'll get the tape back, plus shipping and handling). Otherwise, > if you could send us a copy, we'll reimburse you. > > Thanks a bunch, > > Peter > Pookas - Dublin Ultimate From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Nov 9 18:24:00 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id SAA07194 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 18:08:23 GMT Received: from crane.cf.ac.uk (crane.cf.ac.uk [131.251.0.45]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA07173 for ; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 18:08:19 GMT Received: from PARKCF2S.CF.AC.UK by crane.cf.ac.uk with SMTP-LOC (PP); Mon, 9 Nov 1998 18:07:39 +0000 Received: from PARKCF2S/SpoolDir by PARKCF2S.CF.AC.UK (Mercury 1.43); 9 Nov 98 18:07:36 GMT0BST Received: from SpoolDir by PARKCF2S (Mercury 1.43); 9 Nov 98 18:07:19 GMT0BST From: No Frills To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 18:07:10 GMT0BST Subject: SW regionals Reply-to: Nofrillss@cardiff.ac.uk X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.54) Message-ID: <59CBC240475@PARKCF2S.CF.AC.UK> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Dear All, Can anyone help?!! I am trying to find out if Exeter Uni still have an Ultimate team as neither Dave Barnard or myself have heard from them yet and we need them to contact us regarding the SW regionals. Any help/contact would be much appreciated. Thanks Gaz Davies, SW regionals tournament director. p.s. My email address is DAVIESGJ2@cardiff.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Nov 9 19:15:42 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id SAA19830 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 18:59:50 GMT Received: from polaris.bmpddb.com (mailhost.bmpddb.com [193.130.32.70]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA19768 for ; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 18:59:33 GMT Received: by POLARIS with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 18:57:45 -0000 Message-ID: From: David Trovell To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Jon Hope Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 18:57:35 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Does anyone have a number for Jon Hope? Jon, if you are out there please call Chris Mills on 0171 323 2828 From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Nov 9 20:29:05 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id UAA05565 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 20:16:08 GMT Received: from newmail.virgin.net (newmail.virgin.net [194.168.54.44]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA05557 for ; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 20:16:06 GMT Received: from cow ([194.168.61.169]) by newmail.virgin.net (Post.Office MTA Undefined release Undefined ID# 0-52107U250000L250000S0V35) with SMTP id net for ; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 20:19:30 +0000 Message-ID: <36474D2C.48A0@virgin.net> Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1998 20:14:36 +0000 From: Iain Roberts Reply-To: iain.roberts2@virgin.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-VN710-003 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: PDQ Contact Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Is there anyone from PDQ Portsmouth Uni out there, if so can you mail back please. Cheers Iain Skunks Sec. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Nov 9 21:28:15 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id VAA15917 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 21:14:44 GMT Received: from mail.deloitte.co.uk (mail.deloitte.co.uk [194.88.95.3]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id VAA15912 for ; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 21:14:42 GMT From: helen.myers@deloitte.co.uk Message-Id: Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 21:11:39 +0000 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Women's Practices MIME-version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: TFS Gateway /310000000/310102502/310102532/300490599/ Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id VAA15913 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Here it is, the information you've been waiting for . . . WOMEN'S OUTDOOR PRACTICE DATE : 22 November 1998 (Sunday) TIME : 1100hrs until dark (about 1600hrs?) VENUE : Witney, Nr Oxford Please pass the message on to any female player you know - especially those who do not have access to BritDisc. The practice is open to anyone who is willing. **************************************************** TO BE A WINNER, ALL YOU NEED TO GIVE IS ALL YOU HAVE **************************************************** From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Nov 10 16:26:30 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id PAA01999 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 15:59:24 GMT Received: from hotmail.com (f291.hotmail.com [207.82.251.182]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA01919 for ; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 15:59:10 GMT Received: (qmail 1960 invoked by uid 0); 10 Nov 1998 15:58:36 -0000 Message-ID: <19981110155836.1959.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 194.126.76.195 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 07:58:35 PST X-Originating-IP: [194.126.76.195] From: "fiona macrae" To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Cc: paul.anderson@db.com Subject: Fee's "leaving for Oz" drinks - London MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 07:58:35 PST Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi all, Finally after a fantastic two years in the UK my time is up and I have little choice but to head to my homeland of endless summers (on Saturday). Sorry to have to leave you all on the brink of winter - not, but hope many of you will be able to join me for a final hoorah this Thursday evening (12th November) at the Broadwalk, 12 Greek Street, Soho from 6pm onwards..... Happy hours from 5 to 7pm with 2 for 1 drinks. Stay in touch and I will definately miss the British Ultimate scene - wet weather and all. Love Fee (aka short ginga Fee) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Nov 10 16:37:54 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id PAA24111 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 15:41:53 GMT Received: from mee02.mee.com (meefw01.mee.com [194.130.244.66]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA23765 for ; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 15:41:04 GMT From: Guy.Kennett@meuk.mee.com Received: by meefw01.mee.com id AA26149 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk); Mon, 9 Nov 1998 15:37:00 GMT Received: by meefw01.mee.com (Internal Mail Agent-2); Mon, 9 Nov 1998 15:37:00 GMT Received: by meefw01.mee.com (Internal Mail Agent-1); Mon, 9 Nov 1998 15:37:00 GMT Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 15:36:24 +0000 Message-Id: <0000431F.CE21499@meuk.mee.com> Subject: BLUE ARSE FLIES INDOOR TOURNAMENT - 28/29 November To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk, Ranulf Doswell Cc: BAF Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Announcing the Blue Arse Flies International Indoor Tournament ______oOo______ 'EGO WANG FEST' ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 28, 29 November, back in 'nam, Cheltenham Invites, maps, accommodation in the post already, if you have not got, please contact - guy.kennett@meuk.mee.com &/or merrick.cardew@g4tech.co.uk GBP80 per team, payable to Blue Arse Flies (see below) Closing date for payment 22 November. Post early to avoid disappointment. We know we are clashing with SE Student Regional Qualifiers, but we don't care. Address for cheques etc... c/o Merrick Cardew Lan-kidden Murcot Turn Broadway Worcs, WR12 7HT hm 01386 830136 wk 01684 277114 fly high and all that Guy Kennett ___________________________________________________________________ Budweiser, Nike and Mercedes Benz are pleased not to be associated with this tournament. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Nov 10 17:58:07 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id RAA08144 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 17:42:51 GMT Received: from na-ex-bridge2.nai.com (na-ex-bridge2.nai.com [208.228.228.65]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA08126 for ; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 17:42:48 GMT Received: by na-ex-bridge2.nai.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 09:37:50 -0800 Message-ID: From: "Oakley, Caedman" To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Get Rid of Cads!!! Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 06:51:50 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hello everyone in or around London, or those who know me more than just by the fat lardy one that they ran into that doesn't look like Mr. Batchelor... Hope that you all have put the 18th November in your diaries. If not this is the plan! At the Spot bar in Covent Garden from 7:30 to late there will be a party to celebrate both my Birthday and my leaving the country. There will be a band playing 2 sets, from 9-10 and 11-midnight I am trying to organise a DJ as warm-up and in-fill, as well. There will be people from work, people from Ultimate, and hopefully my Fiancees friends too. Cads From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Nov 10 18:20:43 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id SAA17774 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 18:13:52 GMT Received: from smtp.vol.cz (smtp.vol.cz [195.250.128.40]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA17761 for ; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 18:13:48 GMT Received: from ast (phc117.vol.cz [195.250.153.118]) by smtp.vol.cz (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id TAA29323 for ; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 19:13:41 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: <199811101813.TAA29323@smtp.vol.cz> From: "C&H Hanousek" To: Subject: For Dave Bluck Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 20:12:42 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id SAA17766 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi Dave, Heard you sent regards via Alena, thanks. I shall be be in London in December. Any ideas? Honza, ex-prague devils, ex prague. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Nov 10 18:23:59 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id SAA15390 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 18:06:23 GMT Received: from renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk (renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk [129.215.13.3]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA15380 for ; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 18:06:21 GMT Received: from eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk (eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk [129.215.13.1]) by renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA09523 for ; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 18:06:19 GMT Message-Id: <199811101806.SAA09523@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> Received: from SMS-EIGG/SpoolDir by eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk (Mercury 1.43); 10 Nov 98 18:06:19 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by SMS-EIGG (Mercury 1.43); 10 Nov 98 18:05:50 +0000 From: "James Spicer" <9550732@eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk> To: Britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 18:05:44 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Beginners friday night X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Dear all The beginners touranment is nearly apon us and you are all now wondering where, what time and how regarding the Friday night. Well we are all meeting in the Physician and Firkin anytime after 8.00 pm on the Friday night. The Phyiscan in Firkin is sited on Dalkeith Road opposite the commonwealth pool and Pollock Hall of Residence. How to get there by the various means of transport will be coming out tommorow afternoon, There is a back bit to the Firkin which is booked for us but will probably open to the public as well. The firkin has plenty of minibus parking space so just park and go in. The second thing was that as last year, this year we will be doing the silliest hat competition. The hats are for coaches so they can be easily distquished on the field. Remember they can't score. So bring a hat and the person with the most stupid hat wins a wee prize. Just a little note about the party, for the last 4 or is it 3 years leeds have won the party prize. This year Jedi have lost the crown, by the shear fact they are not coming so all is up for grabs, who will be the new party animals of the beginners. Can leeds Jainitors take the prize back to Yorkshire, or will a team spring out of the blue and go for it and party till dawn. see you soon James From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Nov 10 20:04:03 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id TAA12103 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 19:51:41 GMT Received: from pop.esat.net (ernie.esat.net [192.111.39.10]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA12085 for ; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 19:51:37 GMT Received: from sepro.ie (mailserver.sepro.ie [193.120.132.131]) by pop.esat.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA29653 for ; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 19:48:29 GMT Received: from sepro_peterb [192.168.1.106] by sepro.ie [192.168.1.2] with SMTP (MDaemon.v2.7.SP3.R) for ; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 19:47:45 +0000 From: "Peter Bennison" To: "Britdisc" Subject: Re: Looking for Channel 4 documentary on Worlds Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 19:50:55 -0000 Message-ID: <002301be0ce3$6dcfb170$6a01a8c0@sepro_peterb.sepro.ie> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Reply-To: pbennison@sepro.ie Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Thanks very much to the (many) people who offered their tape of the Ch. 4 documentary ... I've made arrangements to have a copy forwarded to me. It is very heartening to see people willing to help us out, and reconfirms (not that it was needed) the high level of Spirit in UK Ultimate. Thanks again, Peter Pookas - Dublin Ultimate From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Nov 10 21:00:30 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id UAA23044 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 20:48:27 GMT Received: from monsoon.dial.pipex.net (monsoon.dial.pipex.net [158.43.128.69]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id UAA23031 for ; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 20:48:25 GMT Received: (qmail 14156 invoked from network); 10 Nov 1998 20:41:44 -0000 Received: from usero885.uk2.uudial.com (HELO dial.pipex.com) (193.149.90.139) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 1998 20:41:44 -0000 Message-ID: <3648A532.C2057C11@dial.pipex.com> Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 20:42:30 +0000 From: john purdie Reply-To: jb58@dial.pipex.com Organization: jb58@dial.pipex.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: britdisc Subject: arfon jones - where are you? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk could either Arfon or someone who knows his email please mail me. ttfn John Purdie From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Nov 11 09:57:34 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id JAA07179 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 09:46:39 GMT Received: from pathway.btX400.co.uk (pathway.btX400.co.uk [193.113.148.3]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA07151 for ; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 09:46:36 GMT X400-Originator: COLIN.WAGSTAFF@TRADEINDEMNITY.btX400.co.uk X400-Recipients: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk X400-MTS-Identifier: [/PRMD=BT-INTERNET/ADMD=BT/C=GB/;0000430003443195000002L352] X400-Content-Type: P2-1988 (22) Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 08:51:00 +0000 From: WAGSTAFF COLIN To: ", O:PRIVATE, DDA.RFC-822:britdisc(a)csv.warwick.ac.uk, P:, A:BT" Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk >Thanks very much to the (many) people who offered their tape of the Ch. 4 >documentary ... I've made arrangements to have a copy forwarded to me. >It is very heartening to see people willing to help us out, and reconfirms >(not that it was needed) the high level of Spirit in UK Ultimate. >Thanks again, >Peter >Pookas - Dublin Ultimate Here, i'll lend you my video, therefore i have great spirit??? Are you serious? From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Nov 11 10:06:19 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA11356 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 10:02:07 GMT Received: from serenity.mcc.ac.uk (serenity.mcc.ac.uk [130.88.200.93]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA11348 for ; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 10:02:05 GMT Received: from ccg.acu.man.ac.uk ([130.88.17.200]) by serenity.mcc.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.92 #2) for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk id 0zdX6A-000164-00; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 10:02:04 +0000 Received: from ccMail by ccg.acu.man.ac.uk (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.20.00.25) id AA910778522; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 10:02:08 GMT Message-Id: <9811119107.AA910778522@ccg.acu.man.ac.uk> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.20.00.25 Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 10:00:16 GMT From: "Rob Mitchell" To: Subject: RE: No subject given MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: "cc:Mail Note Part" Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk > -----Original Message----- > From: WAGSTAFF COLIN > Sent: Wednesday,11,1998 08:51 > To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk > Subject: No subject given > > > >Thanks very much to the (many) people who offered their tape > of the Ch. 4 > >documentary ... I've made arrangements to have a copy > forwarded to me. > > >It is very heartening to see people willing to help us out, > and reconfirms > >(not that it was needed) the high level of Spirit in UK Ultimate. > > >Thanks again, > > >Peter > >Pookas - Dublin Ultimate > > Here, i'll lend you my video, therefore i have great spirit??? > Are you serious? > no colin, no one would accuse you of that. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Nov 11 10:07:00 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA12171 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 10:04:56 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA12145 for ; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 10:04:53 GMT Received: from [158.152.23.8] (helo=cayman.actix1) by post.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.05demon1 #1) id 0zdX8f-0002uZ-00 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 10:04:39 +0000 Received: by CAYMAN with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 09:16:36 -0000 Message-ID: From: Simon Hill To: "'britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk'" Subject: videos Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 09:16:34 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi seeing Peter's emails about the C4 video (look out for all our favourite celebrities on that one!)- I was wondering if 'the BUF' couldn't build up a library of ultimate videos. Then members (!) could borrow the videos to copy (er, I mean, watch). This would evidently be of great help to all the student clubs for recruitment - but also of great help to the rest of us who don't have a clue how to play, and could get a better idea by watching more good teams. I believe that there are quite a lot of tapes of ultimate floating about in the states. Maybe there are some people out there who already have lots of videos... Any volunteers?!!??!! Si (22) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Nov 11 11:25:53 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id LAA03125 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 11:07:51 GMT Received: from mps3.leeds.ac.uk (sunserv5.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.16.35]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA03104 for ; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 11:07:47 GMT Received: from west-01.novell.leeds.ac.uk (west-01.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.124.1]) by mps3.leeds.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA26759 for ; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 11:07:45 GMT Message-Id: <199811111107.LAA26759@mps3.leeds.ac.uk> Received: from LUCS-H21/SpoolDir by west-01.novell.leeds.ac.uk (Mercury 1.43); 11 Nov 98 11:07:34 GMT0BST Received: from SpoolDir by LUCS-H21 (Mercury 1.43); 11 Nov 98 11:07:31 GMT0BST From: "R.E. JACOBS" Organization: University of Leeds To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 11:07:03 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Women's Indoor Nationals Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-printable to 8bit by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id LAA03108 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Calling all Women MERRY CHRISTMAS !!!!! Santa obviously thinks that we have all been good girls this year (what a poor disillusioned soul he is) so he has granted us our ultimate wish of a women's tournament in the North !!! He has also decided that to give you some extra encouragement (as if you should need any) that it is to be the women's nationals !!! It will be held on the 13/14 of February 1999 @ The University of Leeds. The tournament fee will be £70.00 per team made payable to 'Disco Inferno' and should be posted to me before the tournament to secure your place. There will be places for 16 teams but should there be more teams wanting to enter I will do my best to expand the tournament to fit demand - we can't be turning all you eager women away after you have been hanging out for a northern tournament for so long can we? Teams with large squads e.g. Twin Peaks and Bliss etc. are more than welcome to put in more than one team. Accommodation can probably be found for all who need it, just let me know what day you are coming and i will sort something out for you. There are also plenty of B & B's for those of you that need your home comforts. This is your chance to prove that after all the months of talking about it, you really want to get women's ultimate kicked off in the North so SHOW ME THE MONEY and give me your lovely cheques!! If you need to get in touch just give me a call or send me an e mail and i'll get back to you. Love Rachxxxxxxxxx Disco Inferno 3 Elizabeth Street Hyde Park Leeds West Yorkshire LS6 1JF 0113 224 2891 lec6rej@leeds.ac.uk xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Nov 11 11:28:58 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id LAA08450 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 11:23:43 GMT Received: from mps1.leeds.ac.uk (mps1.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.16.8]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA08400 for ; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 11:23:37 GMT Received: from west-01.novell.leeds.ac.uk (west-01.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.124.1]) by mps1.leeds.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA00127 for ; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 11:23:36 GMT Message-Id: <199811111123.LAA00127@mps1.leeds.ac.uk> Received: from LUCS-H21/SpoolDir by west-01.novell.leeds.ac.uk (Mercury 1.43); 11 Nov 98 11:23:25 GMT0BST Received: from SpoolDir by LUCS-H21 (Mercury 1.43); 11 Nov 98 11:23:13 GMT0BST From: "R.E. JACOBS" Organization: University of Leeds To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 11:22:39 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Post Script: Women's Indoor Nationals Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Dear all, I forgot to ask you to pass on the message about the Women's Indoor Nationals to all other women that you can get in touch with to get as many there as possible. Can I also remind you all that EVERYONE is welcome so don't worry if you have a team that isn't very experienced. The object is to get as many women playing as possible so if your University doesn't have an official women's team, get one together if you can and come along even if you don't regularly play as a team. Anyone who would like to come but doesn't have a team to play for, let me know and i will organise teams for you to pick up with. Cheers Rachxxxxxxxxxx Disco Inferno P.S. Anyone who says they can't come due to the clash with Valentines Day is banned anyway!!!!!!!!!!!! Rachel Jacobs 3 Elizabeth Street Hyde Park Leeds LS6 1JF 0113 224 2891 Lec6rej@leeds.ac.uk xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Nov 11 13:55:21 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id NAA16266 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 13:40:15 GMT Received: from renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk (renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk [129.215.13.3]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA16233 for ; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 13:40:07 GMT Received: from eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk (eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk [129.215.13.1]) by renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA00449 for ; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 13:40:04 GMT Received: from SMS-EIGG/SpoolDir by eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk (Mercury 1.43); 11 Nov 98 13:40:04 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by SMS-EIGG (Mercury 1.43); 11 Nov 98 13:39:56 +0000 From: "James Spicer" <9550732@eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk> To: Britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 13:39:55 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Beginners Directions X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.52) Message-ID: <28E20027387@eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-printable to 8bit by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id NAA16242 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Dear All Directions on how to get to trhe pub on friday night, two maps are attached hopefully they will help you in your quest for pub location. The purple dot in each map is the location of the pub, maps and general information of edinburgh and Scotland at Http://www.ed.ac.uk/ this is a good site to start. We will be at the pub from 8.00 - 1.00 am if you think you are goijng to be later give us a ring 228 4385. Footnote: Again the sharking prize is up for grabs as well this year, last year if I recall it was won by a Aussie girl who was 'nearly' topless. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!, but weren't they all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!can you do better. THE A-Z OF DIRECTIONS (OR HOW TO FIND THE PUB!!!) 1. FROM THE AIRPORT Once you have arrived at Edinburgh Airport you can take either the taxi or the bus. You can catch either type of bus. The fare is about £3.50. The bus will finally travel along Princes Street, and stop on Waverley Bridge, just beside the station. Walk back up the road to Princes Street, turn right and follow the road until you get to the lights and turn right up the hill, this is North Bridge. You can KEEP walking along the road. Just after passing The Abbey pub (on South Clerk Street) take a left, and follow the road (East Preston Street) to the T-junction, turn right. The pub is on the right hand side of the road after one block. This walk will take about half an hour! OR Catch any bus that goes to 'South Clerk Street' from North Bridge, and then walk along in the same direction until you reach The Abbey pub and turn left at the set of traffic lights follow the road (East Preston Street) to the T-junction. The pub is on the right hand side of the road after one block, opposite the Commonwealth Pool. OR Get a taxi to The Physician and Firkin, which is opposite the Commonwealth Pool. 2. FROM THE BUS STATION Once you have arrived at the bus station, follow the footpath (this is to the right of the entrance to the St. James Centre) through until you reach Princes Street (about 200m away). Across the road is the bottom of North Bridge. Walk straight up North Bridge and continue along until the far end of South Clerk Street, at this set of traffic lights take a left (just after passing The Abbey pub) and follow the road (East Preston Street) to the T-junction and turn right. The pub is on the right hand side of the road after one block, this walk will take about half an hour! OR >From North Bridge catch any bus that goes to 'South Clerk Street' and then walk along in the same direction until you reach The Abbey pub and turn left at the set of traffic lights follow the road (East Preston Street) to the T-junction and it is on the right hand side of the road after one block, opposite the Commonwealth Pool. OR Get a taxi to The Physician and Firkin, which is opposite the Commonwealth Pool. 3. FROM THE TRAIN STATION Once you have arrived in Edinburgh Waverley station find the large notice board (with arrivals and departures), turn your back to it. You should see a sign for the Way Out on your left. Take the steps (rising up over the bike stands) that go up to Waverley Market, they turn right and take you up to the East end of Princes Street. Catch any bus that goes to 'South Clerk Street' from North Bridge, and then walk along in the same direction until you reach The Abbey pub, and turn left at the set of traffic lights follow the road (East Preston Street) to the T-junction and turn right, it is on the right hand side of the road after one block, opposite the Commonwealth Pool. OR Get a taxi to The Physician and Firkin Pub, which is opposite the Commonwealth Pool. OR Walk straight up North Bridge and continue along South Bridge, Nicolson Street, Clerk Street, South Clerk Street, at the set of traffic lights take a left (just after passing The Abbey pub) and follow the road to the T-junction and turn right. The pub is on the right hand side of the road after one block, this walk will take about half an hour! 4. BY ROAD Follow the instructions for your chosen route. A1 ROUTE Follow the A1 until you reach the A720. Continue along the road and take the first exit, A 6095. The streets you drive along are as follows: , Newcraighall Road , Niddrie Mains Road Continue along Niddrie Mains Road. After two more sets of lights, this changes name to Peffermill Road. Follow to the roundabout and take the third exit, Dalkeith Road. Follow this road until you reach the Commonwealth Pool. The Physician & Firkin pub is opposite, parking is available in the pub car park, and the bar will be open. M6/M74 ROUTE Follow the M6 until it becomes the M74/A74. Keep on this road until you get to Junction 13 (of the M74) which is at Abington. Follow the signs for the A702. Remember to take the A702 when it forks right shortly after joining the A702, or you'll drive straight onto the A73. The A702 is the usual route to Edinburgh and passes through Biggar. After about 40 miles you will pass the Hillend Artificial Ski Slopes. You want to take the City By-pass to the East, A720, to do this, drive over it and then come back round the roundabout and turn left down the slip road. Take the first exit, the A701. The streets you drive along are as follows: , Burdiehouse Road , Howden Hall Road, Liberton Gardens , Liberton Brae , Liberton Road , Lady Road Take the first left at the roundabout, and follow this road until you reach the Commonwealth Pool. The Physician & Firkin pub is opposite, parking is available in the pub car park, and the bar will still be open. OTHER ROUTES Whatever other route you come to Edinburgh it is easy to meet the A720, the Edinburgh By-pass. If you don't know of an easier way, follow this until you reach the A701. The instructions after this are given above. see you friday james From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Nov 11 15:52:19 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id PAA24037 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 15:35:22 GMT Received: from exchpk02.chelt.ac.uk (exchpk02.chelt.ac.uk [194.66.194.6]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA24022 for ; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 15:35:19 GMT Received: by exchpk02.chelt.ac.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 15:35:08 -0000 Message-ID: <8102C4585310D211858D0060B01A41330A3955@exchpk02.chelt.ac.uk> From: "HUGHES, Chris" To: "'Britdisc'" Subject: Contacts Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 15:35:07 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Sorry to the rest of you but could Harry Golby Simon Moore Guy Bowles (is he on Britdisc?) Paolo Nistri All give me contact details within the next couple of days. If you know these people aren't on Britdisc, but have their details please could you let me know. Thanks Chris Hughes From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Nov 11 18:12:05 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id RAA08476 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 17:57:41 GMT Received: from ntintel1.webleicester.co.uk ([195.146.160.4]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA08453 for ; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 17:57:37 GMT Received: by NTINTEL1 with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 17:58:27 -0000 Message-ID: From: Ian Scotland To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Leicester Thursday Night Pactice Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 17:58:26 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk The Leicester Flood-lit practices are back on as of thursdays 13th Nov, from 7.00pm on Mandella Park. All are welcome.... if you're hard enough! ______________________________________________ Ian Scotland - Web Design Manager, WEBLEICESTER E-Mail: scott@webleicester.net http://www.webleicester.co.uk/ Tel: 0116 2230074 From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Nov 11 23:00:32 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id WAA03041 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 22:55:39 GMT Received: from mail-gw1.webleicester.net (mailgate.webleicester.co.uk [195.146.160.12]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA03032 for ; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 22:55:38 GMT Received: from pii266 (pool-pri1-029.webleicester.co.uk [195.146.164.29]) by mail-gw1.webleicester.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id WAA08088 for ; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 22:51:57 GMT Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 23:00:44 -0000 Message-ID: <01BE0DC7.1C75FCA0.bravil@webleicester.co.uk> From: Ben Ravilious Reply-To: "bravil@webleicester.co.uk" To: "'Britdisc'" Subject: Wannabe on TV in the North East? Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 22:56:59 -0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Just had a request for players from the North East of England from Tyne Tees TV. If anyone plays/lives/comes from there give me a shout - you might get on TV and you might help promote Ultimate there. Ben From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Nov 11 23:00:40 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id WAA01655 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 22:47:28 GMT Received: from iraun1.ira.uka.de (iraun1.ira.uka.de [129.13.10.90]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id WAA01649 for ; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 22:47:27 GMT Received: from [129.13.2.181] [129.13.2.181] (actually i02mac181.ira.uka.de) by iraun1 with SMTP (PP) local; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 23:44:44 +0100 X-Sender: griesbaum@i02mac198.ira.uka.de Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 23:45:04 +0100 To: BritDisc Mailing List , EuroDisc@ira.uka.de From: Thomas Griesbaum Subject: WUCC 1999 - Communication problem Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk To: All National Flying Disc Associations. -- Please pass this on to as many people it may concern as possible. -- Hello, Charlie Mead, the host of the 1999 WFDF World Ultimate Club Championships - St. Andrews, Scotland (Sunday 8th August-Saturday 14th August), has asked me to bring to your attention that he currently does not have access to his e-mail account for technical reasons. It seems he lost access shortly after he sent out the WUCC invitations on Nov 2 and he will not have access again until at least the end of next week (Nov 22). Since he is expecting that many associations will try to contact him to sign up teams or clarify questions he asks you to use "conventional methods": home phone: +44 121 449 3382 (please keep in mind the different time zones) work phone and voice mail: +44 121 303 8593 work fax: +44 121 303 8830 until he is back online. If you have sent him e-mail since Nov 2 and did not receive a reply, please use one of the above numbers. Please pass this on to as many people it may concern as possible. Regards, Thomas Griesbaum WFDF Ultimate Committee From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Nov 12 10:52:47 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA05542 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 12 Nov 1998 10:37:54 GMT Received: from otto.crispgroup.co.uk (crispgroup.demon.co.uk [158.152.87.155]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA05519 for ; Thu, 12 Nov 1998 10:37:50 GMT Received: from [129.1.1.241] by otto.crispgroup.co.uk (NTMail 3.03.0017/1.aia2) with ESMTP id la038231 for ; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 10:42:40 +0000 Received: from [129.1.11.120] by homer.crispgroup.co.uk (NTMail 3.03.0012/1.aia2) with ESMTP id ka036592 for ; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 10:47:25 +0000 Received: by raviben810.crispgroup.co.uk with Microsoft Mail id <01BE0D61.34AD1620@raviben810.crispgroup.co.uk>; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 10:51:15 -0000 Message-ID: <01BE0D61.34AD1620@raviben810.crispgroup.co.uk> From: Ben Ravilious To: "'britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk'" Subject: RE: videos Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 10:51:14 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Info: Crisp Computing Mail Server Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id KAA05534 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Been thinking about this for quite a while now. I get requests for all sorts of stuff (rule books, discs, videos, 'how to start a team' guides, 'how to run a tournament' guides, etc etc). These are things which usually already exist in one form or another but are not always easily available. I am proposing to create a 'catalogue' of BUF material and make it more accessible to everyone (particularly via the website where its just literature). This should make less work for me - in the long run - and reduce the 'has anyone got...?' requests on Britdisc. There is still a problem with distributing physical objects though. I can email the rules to anyone. I can't email 30 frisbees to a Secondary School in Exeter! (Indeed I cant post them either as I don't get a chance to go to the post office) If someone out there wants to be a real saviour, please volunteer to be a BUF postman/woman for me! You would have to be prepared to store a stock of things such as discs in your spare room and to mail them out to people on request. I don't imagine it would be a particularly time-consuming job - maybe a couple of parcels a month? And if anyone could find the time to distribute Ultimatum by post then that would be *really* cool. Note Si Hill's reference to the word 'members' (!) Ben BUF Secretary -----Original Message----- From: Simon Hill [SMTP:simon.hill@actix.co.uk] Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 1998 9:17 AM To: 'britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk' Subject: videos Hi seeing Peter's emails about the C4 video (look out for all our favourite celebrities on that one!)- I was wondering if 'the BUF' couldn't build up a library of ultimate videos. Then members (!) could borrow the videos to copy (er, I mean, watch). This would evidently be of great help to all the student clubs for recruitment - but also of great help to the rest of us who don't have a clue how to play, and could get a better idea by watching more good teams. I believe that there are quite a lot of tapes of ultimate floating about in the states. Maybe there are some people out there who already have lots of videos... Any volunteers?!!??!! Si (22) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Nov 12 14:51:47 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id OAA26108 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 12 Nov 1998 14:38:20 GMT Received: from renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk (renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk [129.215.13.3]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA26090 for ; Thu, 12 Nov 1998 14:38:17 GMT Received: from eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk (eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk [129.215.13.1]) by renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA11653 for ; Thu, 12 Nov 1998 14:38:16 GMT Message-Id: <199811121438.OAA11653@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> Received: from SMS-EIGG/SpoolDir by eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk (Mercury 1.43); 12 Nov 98 14:38:17 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by SMS-EIGG (Mercury 1.43); 12 Nov 98 14:37:57 +0000 From: "James Spicer" <9550732@eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk> To: Britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 14:37:54 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: maps X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Dear All Maps this time are attached 3 altogther map one and two are basic road maps, map 3 a more localised map around the pub. see you tomorrow james ps games start at 9.00 am on saturday, be prepared!!!!!! J.a.Spicer@sms.ed.ac.uk Edinburgh University Ultimate Frisbee Club (Sneeekys) on the net at: http://www.ed.ac.uk/~ultimate/ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Nov 12 14:57:39 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id OAA27072 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 12 Nov 1998 14:41:33 GMT Received: from uk_mail.uksport.gov.uk (mailhost.uksportscouncil.co.uk [193.133.64.161]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA27056 for ; Thu, 12 Nov 1998 14:41:31 GMT Received: by UK_MAIL with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Thu, 12 Nov 1998 14:45:06 -0000 Message-ID: <2F999984CB39D2119A6A00805FC775D1013B71@UK_MAIL> From: Laura Pearce To: "'britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk'" Subject: Masters at World Clubs 1999 Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 14:44:29 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Final Reminder If anyone is interested in entering or playing on a masters team at Clubs next year, please let me know ASAP, as the date for accepting or declining the place is 1 December 1998. Deadline for interest is: Monday 16th November at 12 Noon Please reply directly to me at this address or at laurapearce@btinternet.com Laura Pearce BUF National Director From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Nov 12 17:30:42 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id RAA18353 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 12 Nov 1998 17:14:34 GMT Received: from spuggie.cen.brad.ac.uk (root@spuggie.cen.brad.ac.uk [143.53.2.18]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA18335 for ; Thu, 12 Nov 1998 17:14:31 GMT Received: from morph.cen.brad.ac.uk (root@morph.cen.brad.ac.uk [143.53.238.5]) by spuggie.cen.brad.ac.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id RAA02722; Thu, 12 Nov 1998 17:14:12 GMT Received: from lr53.pub.brad.ac.uk (dsaggers@richj31lR53.pub.brad.ac.uk [143.53.7.145]) by morph.cen.brad.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id RAA09841; Thu, 12 Nov 1998 17:16:46 GMT From: Dean Saggers Reply-To: D.Saggers@Bradford.ac.uk To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk cc: Injuries@Bradford.ac.uk Message-ID: Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 17:14:09 +0000 () X-Mailer: Simeon for Win32 Version 4.1.2 Build (32) X-Authentication: IMSP MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi there, I am the 'safety officer' for the Bradford Uni (disciples) Ultimate club. A wee tail of woe, unfortunetely, through no fault of mine we have had what I expect to be the largest injury tally of any club in the last 6 weeks...... I started the ball rolling by breaking both of my wrists in the first practice of term....(via a rapid hand wall interface...) This was followed by a dislocated knee, a broken metacarpal (hand bone), a hernia and a broken ankle (so from a starting line up of 20 players we are now down to 15..... DOH!!!! Can anyone beat this???? ---------------------- Dean Saggers D.Saggers@bradford.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Nov 13 00:01:41 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id XAA09528 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 12 Nov 1998 23:49:22 GMT Received: from mail-gw1.webleicester.net (mailgate.webleicester.co.uk [195.146.160.12]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA09518 for ; Thu, 12 Nov 1998 23:49:20 GMT Received: from pii266 (pool-pri2-033.webleicester.co.uk [195.146.164.33]) by mail-gw1.webleicester.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id XAA23431 for ; Thu, 12 Nov 1998 23:45:30 GMT Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Thu, 12 Nov 1998 23:54:26 -0000 Message-ID: <01BE0E97.C7A6CAC0.bravil@webleicester.co.uk> From: Ben Ravilious Reply-To: "bravil@webleicester.co.uk" To: "britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk" Subject: RE: Injuries Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 23:49:39 -0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk You twonks Do you warm-up - stretch - warm-down - stretch at practices? Does anybody? Ben -----Original Message----- From: Dean Saggers [SMTP:D.Saggers@Bradford.ac.uk] Sent: Thursday, November 12, 1998 5:14 PM To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Cc: Injuries@Bradford.ac.uk Subject: Hi there, I am the 'safety officer' for the Bradford Uni (disciples) Ultimate club. A wee tail of woe, unfortunetely, through no fault of mine we have had what I expect to be the largest injury tally of any club in the last 6 weeks...... I started the ball rolling by breaking both of my wrists in the first practice of term....(via a rapid hand wall interface...) This was followed by a dislocated knee, a broken metacarpal (hand bone), a hernia and a broken ankle (so from a starting line up of 20 players we are now down to 15..... DOH!!!! Can anyone beat this???? ---------------------- Dean Saggers D.Saggers@bradford.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Nov 13 09:29:20 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id JAA09015 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 13 Nov 1998 09:14:34 GMT Received: from tgis.co.uk (galahad.tgis.co.uk [195.188.4.6]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA09007 for ; Fri, 13 Nov 1998 09:14:31 GMT Received: from syscap.com (p006.5399-1.saturn.ispc.net [212.46.128.26]) by tgis.co.uk (8.8.7/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA24298 for ; Fri, 13 Nov 1998 09:14:20 GMT Posted-Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 09:14:20 GMT Received: from [195.188.6.81] by syscap.com Fri, 13 Nov 98 09:07:39 +0000 X-Sender: pharvey@195.188.6.1 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 09:07:46 +0000 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: pharvey@syscap.com (Peter Harvey) Subject: Re: Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk >A wee tail of woe, unfortunetely, through no fault of mine >we have had what I expect to be the largest injury tally of >any club in the last 6 weeks...... > >I started the ball rolling by breaking both of my wrists in >the first practice of term....(via a rapid hand wall >interface...) > >This was followed by a dislocated knee, a broken metacarpal >(hand bone), a hernia and a broken ankle (so from a >starting line up of 20 players we are now down to 15..... > >DOH!!!! could I suggest that you guys don your hats and coats, and try playing OUTSIDE on the soft lush grass??? 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Copsey" Reply-to: K.R.L.Copsey@exeter.ac.uk To: J.Stone@plymouth.ac.uk Subject: FW: (Fwd) (Fwd) (Fwd) Free money, or free disney, seems a good thing Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 14:13:10 -0500 (EST) Priority: NORMAL --- Begin Forwarded Message --- Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 16:44:53 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) From: Elspeth Locke Subject: FW: (Fwd) (Fwd) (Fwd) Free money, or free disney, seems a good ch o Sender: E.M.Locke@exeter.ac.uk To: K.R.L.Copsey@exeter.ac.uk Reply-To: Elspeth Locke Message-ID: --- Begin Forwarded Message --- Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 15:24:55 -0000 From: "Fishley, Sarah E." Subject: FW: (Fwd) (Fwd) (Fwd) Free money, or free disney, seems a good ch o Sender: "Fishley, Sarah E." To: "'E.M.Locke@exeter.ac.uk'" Reply-To: "Fishley, Sarah E." Message-ID: <773CDF6F1D26D211B0B300A0C9D85B263CD641@icex6.cc.ic.ac.uk> > -----Original Message----- > From: Thuysbaert, Daniel W. > Sent: 10 November 1998 15:19 > To: Snow, Jane Z. > Cc: fionabishop; Dunkley, Malcolm; Ghosh, Indraneal; Inness, Claire > L.W.; Kay, Jenny A.; Ruggeri, Katherine M.; Wrede, Caspar Von; > 'E.A.Johnson@exeter.ac.uk'; 'TuckAL@cardiff.ac.uk'; > 'MortonDN@cardiff.ac.uk'; Fishley, Sarah E.; Hacker, Caroline V.; Warne, > James P.; Takeda, Mari; 'N.Ager@lancaster.ac.uk' > Subject: FW: (Fwd) (Fwd) (Fwd) Free money, or free disney, seems a > good cho > > > > > Here's a long message but go right to the bottom to get the original, REAL > message from Walt Disney man himself! No jokes! > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bruce, Alexandra F. > Sent: 06 November 1998 16:13 > To: Garner, Louise > Cc: Garner, Louise; Hallworth, Christopher; Martin, A; Wilkinson, Andrew > J.; Fieldsend, Mark; Gist, Robin; Lewis, Simon E.; Virgo, Alexander; > Curran, Piers; Bound, Jonathan P. > Subject: FW: (Fwd) (Fwd) (Fwd) Free money, or free disney, seems a > good cho > > -----Original Message----- > From: Swann, Helen > Sent: 05 November 1998 13:58 > To: Bruce, Alexandra F. > Subject: FW: (Fwd) (Fwd) (Fwd) Free money, or free disney, seems a > good cho > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Hey, Charlotte L. > Sent: 05 November 1998 13:27 > To: Swann, Helen > Subject: FW: (Fwd) (Fwd) (Fwd) Free money, or free disney, seems a > good cho > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: KENNEDY [SMTP:K.R.Kennedy@newcastle.ac.uk] > Sent: 04 November 1998 13:50 > To: charlotte.hey@ic.ac.uk > Subject: (Fwd) (Fwd) (Fwd) Free money, or free disney, seems a good > cho > > ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- > Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 10:04:16 +0000 > To: james.pickett@st-johns.oxford.ac.uk, > hjb33@hermes.cam.ac.uk, > H.L.Sweeney-98student.lboro.ac.uk@aber.ac.uk, > axc7@aber.ac.uk, > wlj7@aber.ac.uk, rseverino@codetel.net.do, > K.R.Kennedy@newcastle.ac.uk, > 58714332@mmu.ac.uk, N.Kenny@plymouth.ac.uk, > ro8799@bristol.ac.uk, > cookiethebeast@hotmail.com > From: FELICIA CHRISTIANA HISLOP > Subject: (Fwd) (Fwd) Free money, or free disney, seems a good choice > to > (fwd) > > >Resent-from: VICTORIA HUGHES > >Resent-to: FCH7@aber.ac.uk > >Resent-date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 12:45:34 GMT0BST > >Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 18:01:07 GMT > >From: Natalie Osman > >Subject: (Fwd) (Fwd) Free money, or free disney, seems a good choice to > (fwd) > >To: Amanda Costley - White , > > Charlene Trew , > > Eleanor Mcgowan , > > Hannah Phillips <155698@Swansea.ac.uk>, > > Juliana Windeatt , > > Laura Hutt , > > Martin Croft , Mike Alsen > , > > Ray Osman , Rebecca Wrobel > , > > Rohit Sen , Victoria Hughes > , > > William Eagle , > > Kate Walker > >Priority: Normal > >Resent-Message-Id: > > > > > > > >Forwarded Message: > >From: Lorien C Emblem > >Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 16:33:45 GMT > >Subject: (Fwd) (Fwd) Free money, or free disney, seems a good > >choice to > >To: mewx8hfw@stud.man.ac.uk > > > >------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- > >From: Edward Emblem > >To: mewx8lce@stud.man.ac.uk, Amy > >, > > Jess , Emma > >, > > Orla , Rachel > >, > > Barry , Duncan > >, > > RUTH APPLETON > >Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 14:08:11 GMT0BST > >Subject: (Fwd) Free money, or free disney, seems a good > >choice to me > >Priority: normal > > > >------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- > >From: Matt Folley > >To: andreasivansson@hotmail.com, wgt196@soton.com, > >cj6334@bris.ac.uk, > > emblem@cardiff.ac.uk, pgb196@soton.ac.uk, > >er6467@bris.ac.uk, > > I.A.Gibbs@exeter.ac.uk, > >Philip.Smalley@univ-savoie.fr > >Subject: Free money, or free disney, seems a good choice to > >me > >Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 04:38:09 PDT > > > >okay, i dont know if this is genuine, and i cant be arsed to find > >out, > >but if it is, then were all going to disneyland, or weve got loads > >of > >cash. its worth a shot me thinks. i dunnow if i needed to keep all > >of > >this crap at the beginning, but so as not to jeopardise the free > >stuff, > >i kept it in. zip to the end for the interesting bit. bye for now. > > > >Lorien Lorien > > > > > >>From mf6009@bristol.ac.uk Fri Oct 23 04:15:03 1998 > >>Received: from ncs.bris.ac.uk by dirc.bris.ac.uk with SMTP-PRIV > >(PP) > >> with ESMTP; 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charset=US-ASCII > >>Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > >> > >>------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- > >>From: "O'BRIEN" > >>To: D.J.SHERWOOD@NCL.AC.UK, A.M.RAYBOULD@NCL.AC.UK > >>Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 13:14:50 GMT0BST > >>Subject: (Fwd) Re: Fw: Disney trip or $500 > >>Priority: normal > >> > >>------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- > >>Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 19:22:33 +0100 > >>From: S.A.M.Boyle@durham.ac.uk > >>To: D.E.Goldapple@durham.ac.uk > >>Subject: Re: Fw: Disney trip or $500 > >> > >>John_Martin@bdo.co.uk wrote: > >>> > >>> ---------------------- Forwarded by John Martin/SE/BDOUK on > >16/10/98 > >13:45 > >>> --------------------------- > >>> > >>> Nick Spero > >>> 16/10/98 13:00 > >>> > >>> To: Joe Walsh/SE/BDOUK@BDOUKMAIL, Dan > >Robertson/SE/BDOUK@BDOUKMAIL, > >John > >>> Martin/SE/BDOUK@BDOUKMAIL, Paul Read/SE/BDOUK@BDOUKMAIL, > >Adrian > >>> Davis/SE/BDOUK@BDOUKMAIL, James Hill/SE/BDOUK@BDOUKMAIL, > >Thomas > >>> Hill/SE/BDOUK@BDOUKMAIL, Anton Homer/SE/BDOUK@BDOUKMAIL, > >Sue > >>> Goodlad/SE/BDOUK@BDOUKMAIL, James > >Nayler/SE/BDOUK@BDOUKMAIL, > >Nicola > >>> Fitzpatrick/SE/BDOUK@BDOUKMAIL, Rina > >Modgill/SE/BDOUK@BDOUKMAIL, > >>> James Richardson/SE/BDOUK@BDOUKMAIL, Abigail > >>> Jones/SE/BDOUK@BDOUKMAIL, Nicola Yates/SE/BDOUK@BDOUKMAIL > >>> cc: > >>> Subject: Fw: Disney trip or $500 > >>> > >>> its almost definately a lie but you never know............... > >>> ---------------------- Forwarded by Nick Spero/SE/BDOUK on > >16/10/98 > >12:55 > >>> --------------------------- > >>> > >>> jkintish.gonw@go-regions.gov.uk on 13/10/98 14:04:46 > >>> > >>> To: amann@bell-pottinger.co.uk, cbs7jt@leeds.ac.uk, > >>> dave_ee_gee@hotmail.com, gail.davidson@gsb.co.uk, > >>> glickr@horwathcw.co.uk, jody00@hotmail.com, > >meerakhanna@hotmail.com, > >>> mel@chaplins.demon.co.uk, paulg@demon.net, > >rgordon@tambcd.edu, > >>> ugm5hjl@leeds.ac.uk, will.kintish@glf.co.uk, > >kintish@hotmail.com, > >>> vickymiddleton@hotmail.com, Nick Spero/SE/BDOUK > >>> cc: > >>> Subject: Fw: Disney trip or $500 > >>> > >>> Dear all, > >>> this isn't a chain e-mail! People have actually > >phoned the > >>> originators to check for authenticity. Read the message at > >the > >very > >>> end of the e-mail. All will become clear. You have nothing > >to > >lose. > >>> Jo > >>> > >>> ______________________________ Forward Header > >>> __________________________________ > >>> Subject: (Fwd) (Fwd) (Fwd) (Fwd) (Fwd) Fwd[2]:Fw: Disney trip or > >$500 > >>> Author: <95874380@mmu.ac.uk> at internet-mail > >>> Date: 13/10/98 11:00 > >>> > >>> Guys read the note at the very bottom of this e-mail > >>> M > >>> ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- > >>> Date: Mon, 12 Oct 98 11:40:07 GMT > >>> From: "Adrian Doherty" > >>> To: <95874380@mmu.ac.uk>, , > >>> , > >>> , > >, > >>> > >>> Subject: (Fwd) (Fwd) (Fwd) (Fwd) Fwd[2]:Fw: Disney trip or > >$5000 > >>> > >>> Read what this is about at the very bottom and then send it on > >to as > >many > >>> people > >>> as possible. > >>> ______________________________ Forward Header > >>> __________________________________ > >>> Subject: (Fwd) (Fwd) (Fwd) (Fwd) Fwd[2]:Fw: Disney trip or $5000 > >>> Author: "SHARON MCGILLOWAY" at > >internet-mail > >>> Date: 01/09/98 11:32 > >>> > >>> ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- > >>> From: "Majella Wendy Gibbons" > >>> Organization: University of Ulster, Magee. > >>> To: stmcg > >>> Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 11:27:02 GMT+1 > >>> Subject: (Fwd) (Fwd) (Fwd) Fwd[2]:Fw: Disney trip or $5000 > >>> ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- > >>> From: "MCANEE G" > >>> Organization: University of Ulster > >>> To: MW.Gibbons@ulst.ac.uk > >>> Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 11:14:29 GMT > >>> Subject: (Fwd) (Fwd) Fwd[2]:Fw: Disney trip or $5000 > >>> Priority: normal > >>> ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- > >>> From: "Jane Alexandra Elliott" > >>> Organization: University of Ulster > >>> To: Green-GR@ulst.ac.uk, Wallace-LEA@ulst.ac.uk, > >>> Doherty-SC@ulst.ac.uk, > >>> Lynch-NM@ulst.ac.uk, Armour-G@ulst.ac.uk, > >>> Sweeney-RA@ulst.ac.uk, > >>> Glasgow-PD@ulst.ac.uk, Campbell-DJ3@ulst.ac.uk, > >>> McAnee-G1@ulst.ac.uk, > >>> EE.Bann@ulst.ac.uk, Logan-M2@ulst.ac.uk, > >Smith-b@ulst.ac.uk, > >>> nm.harran@ulst.ac.uk, RI.Cassidy@ulst.ac.uk, > >>> S.Rezvani@ulst.ac.uk, > >>> Blaney-BE@ulst.ac.uk, OBrien-M@ulst.ac.uk, > >>> EA.McLaughlin@ulst.ac.uk, > >>> JF.MCGourty@ulst.ac.uk, A.Walsh@ulst.ac.uk, > >>> Hanley-I1@ulst.ac.uk, > >>> nutt , > >E.Montgomery@ulst.ac.uk, > >>> "NICK CURRY" , > >F.Harkin@ulst.ac.uk > >>> Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 09:10:04 GMT > >>> Subject: (Fwd) Fwd[2]:Fw: Disney trip or $5000 > >>> Priority: normal > >>> ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- > >>> From: tara.leathem@belfasttelegraph.co.uk > >>> Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 17:10:36 +0000 > >>> To: christine.allen@belfasttelegraph.co.uk, > >>> betty.arnold@belfasttelegraph.co.uk, > >lord_sabre@hotmail.com, > >>> Joanne.lappin@smurfittp.com, > >Lesleym@ardmore.co.uk, > >>> CHM.Cunningham@ulst.ac.uk, MAE.Wilson@ulst.ac.uk, > >>> JA.Elliott@ulst.ac.uk, rbh705@novell6.bham.ac.uk, > >>> Frank.mc_leigh@virgin.net, Strand@btinternet.com, > >>> Owi@dnet.co.uk, > >>> Kken@sprint.ca, Paddy@ni-net.com > >>> Subject: Fwd[2]:Fw: Disney trip or $5000 > >>> > >>> So, I'll do anything to supplement this mediocre > >>> salary. > >>> Jan > >>> Seemingly this is for real, so pass it on!! > >>> Tara > >>> (read the message at the bottom) > >>> ____________________Forward Header_____________________ > >>> Subject: Fwd:Fw: Disney trip or $5000 > >>> Author: Sherril McCahon > >>> Date: 31/08/98 13:59 > >>> FYI > >>> ____________________Forward Header_____________________ > >>> Subject: Fw: Disney trip or $5000 > >>> Author: MIME:bjcooper@mweb.co.za > >>> Date: 30/08/98 12:18 > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: Mark & Debbie Coetzer > >>> To: Peter Kingon ; Ian & Daph Forbes > >>> ; Anna Dickey ; Aubrey Van > >Aswegen > >>> ; Brent & Dee Stephens > >>> ; Bronwen & Peter DeVilliers > >>> ; Carol & John Wandall > >; > >Cheryl > >>> & Warren Coetzer ; Colleen & Brian Carroll > >>> ; Daniel Jacobson ; > >Denise > >Cooper > >>> ; Frikkie & Ronel Swardt > >; > >>> Llewelyn > >>> & Sandra Taylor ; Mandy & Wayne Sueltz > >>> ; Russell Dickey ; > >Shannon > >>> Carroll ; Steve Reeder ; > >Susan > >& > >>> Billy Hughes ; Tracey Ferreira > >>> > >>> Date: 30 August 1998 02:05 > >>> Subject: Fw: Disney trip or $5000 > >>> > >>> > > >>> > > >>> >> ---------- > >>> >> From: Mark & Debbie Coetzer[SMTP:MAGIC@FASTLANE.NET] > >>> >> Sent: Sunday, August 30, 1998 2:04:05 AM > >>> >> To: Peter Kingon; Ian & Daph Forbes; Anna Dickey; Aubrey Van > >Aswegen; > >>> Brent & Dee Stephens; Bronwen & Peter DeVilliers; Carol & John > >Wandall; > >>> Cheryl & Warren Coetzer; Colleen & Brian Carroll; Daniel > >Jacobson; > >Denise > >>> Cooper; Frikkie & Ronel Swardt; Llewelyn & Sandra Taylor; Mandy > >& > >Wayne > >>> Sueltz; Russell Dickey; Shannon Carroll; Steve Reeder; Susan & > >Billy > >>> Hughes; > >>> Tracey Ferreira > >>> >> Subject: Fw: Disney trip or $5000 > >>> >> Auto forwarded by a Rule > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >-----Original Message----- > >>> >From: Walker & Haley Schurz > >>> >To: Tamara Halvorsen ; Tad and Joyce Trowbridge > >>> >; Shannon Carroll ; > >'Mechelle > >Patrick' > >>> >; Matt Buckley > ><105562.2461@compuserve.com>; > >>> Matt > >>> >and Kristin Buckley ; Matt & Kristen > >Casciani > >>> >; Mark and Debbie Coetzer > >; > >'Maria > >>> >Broersma' ; Margaret Chesnut > >>> >; Mardelle Thomas > >; > >Marcus > >>> >Blando ; Lee and Lauren Gould > >; > >>> >LeAnne Langley ; Lauren Westgate > >; > >>> >Laura Rowe ; Kevin & Anne Durant > >; > >>> >Kayrn ; Karl and Carolyn Spence > >; > >>> >Karen Crowley ; Kami Stahla > >; > >Joann > >>> >Cintron ; Jerry Lackey > >; > >Jackie > >>> >Johnson ; Ian Campbell > >>> >; Ian & Kristen Campbell > >; > >>> >Heather Keating ; Hayne & Heather > >Schurz > >>> >; Grant van der Wal > >; > >>> >Gary and Amy Hector ; Eugene Ichinose > >; > >>> >Elizabeth Woody ; Ed Kolpak > >; > >Dawn > >>> >Hoskey ; David Lancucki ; > >David > >Gould > >>> >; david e kunselman ; Darren > >Osburn > >>> >; Danita Hiles > >>> >; Clint Bargmann > >; > >>> Bridget > >>> >Turner ; Brian and > >Evelyn > >>> Cumberland > >>> >; Brian and Colleen Carroll > >; > >Brant > >>> and > >>> >Juli Atkinson ; Brad & Karen Spangler > >>> >; Blase & Heather Keating > >; > >>> Bill > >>> >Boeckman ; Anne Christensen > >; > >>> >Andy and Kelly Baumerick ; Andrew Dalbom > >>> >; Amy Wynn ; Allison > >Denmark > >>> >; Alec Gould ; Alan > >Miller > >>> > > >>> >Date: Saturday, August 29, 1998 09:00 > >>> >Subject: Fw: Disney trip or $5000 > >>> > > >>> > > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >>>If this is true, it's worth a try. If not, no harm done. Go > >all > >the > >>> >>>way to the bottom to see what this is about. Thought I > >should > >include > >>> >>>some of the notes from those along the way. Haley > >>> >>> > >>> >> > >>> >>>>>> > -----Original Message----- > >>> >>>>>> > From: Charles Richards [mailto:charlie@carichards.com] > >>> >>>>>> > Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 1998 2:12 PM > >>> >>>>>> > To: bwilliams@hou.kongsbergsimrad.com; > >wcg@carichards.com; > >Bill > >>> >>>>>> > Stettner; ctucker@ksism.com; > >chancock@hou.kongsbergsimrad.com; > >>> >>>>>> > chuck@carichards.com; Chuck & Jan; Dan Adamson; Dan > >Becker; > >>>>>>> > >>> > droberts@ksism.com; Dave Adams; voneumann@aol.com; > >>>>>dougsaod@aol.com; > >>> >>>>>> > drwhoo@juno.com; ECLAUSNER; Edgein, Ken ; > >etudzin@mcglinchey.com; > >>> >>>>>> > ezatrine@ksism.com; gmartin@jacor.com; > >gbretz8231@aol.com; > >>> >>>>>> > godik@singapor.oceaneering.com; jstasny@dynacon.com; > >>> >>>>>> > jbuchanan@ksism.com; jreed@ksism.com; jallan@ksism.com; > >>> >>>>>> > cms1@concentric.net; kevinpreet.com@harp.infohwy.com; > >Kathleen > >>> >>>>>Monier; > >>> >>>>>> > kep@carichards.com; lmiller@ksism.com; Liz Stansfeld; > >>> >>>>>> > mtoner@hou.kongsbergsimrad.com; Mark Atherton; > >aucoin@gvtc.com; > >>> >>>>>> > mtsadmin@erols.com; Mike_Ciavarra@crow.bmc.com; Robert; > >>> >>>>>> > ssjarn@aol.com; > >>> >>>>>> > skipmorsun@aol.com; sue kindred; Slavik, Barbara J; > >>> >>>>>> > smadamson@compuserve.com; > >tmurphey@hou.kongsbergsimrad.com; > >Ted > >>> >>>>>Knaak; > >>> >>>>>> > Terry Dahlke; tkthompson@earthlink.net; > >zeringue@i-o.com; > >>> >>>>>> > wschollnberger@amoco.com > >>> >>>>>> > Subject: Fwd: FW: It appears to be legit > >>> >>>>>> > Importance: High > >>> >>>>>> > > >>> >>>>>> > > >>> >>>>>> > >From: Bonnie Gordon > >>> >>>>>> > >To: "'gscottg@hotmail.com'" , > >>> >>>>>> > > "'kedrin_bell@hotmail.com'" > >, > >>> >>>>>> > > "'Garrett.Gordon@comsat.com'" > >>> , > >>> >>>>>> > > "'charlie@carichards.com'" > >, > >>> >>>>>> > > "'pdewb@juno.com'" > >>> >>>>>> > > > >>> >> > >>> >>>>>> > >> From: > >Nichole_Aston@Dell.com[SMTP:Nichole_Aston@Dell.com] > >>> >>>>>> > >> Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 1998 10:14 AM > >>> >>>>>> > >> To: Stephanie_Velez@Dell.com; Robi_Coslet@Dell.com; > >>> >>>>>> > >> Kathy_Moreland@Dell.com; Brandy_Magown@Dell.com; > >Beki > >>> >>>>>Mason-Corwin; > >>> >>>>>> > >> ldl4441@acs.tamu.edu; CrackFil@Cheyenneweb.com > >>> >>>>>> > >> Subject: FW: It appears to be legit > >>> >>>>>> > >> > >>> >>>>>> > >> Hey! Read the message at the very bottom of all > >these > >e-mails. > >>> >>>>>> > >> Supposedly > >>> >>>>>> > >> our AP department checked it out with Walt Disney > >and it > >>> >>>>>> > is for real. > >>> >>>>>> > >> Let's > >>> >>>>>> > >> all go!! > >>> >>>>>> > >> > >>> >>>>>> > >> Nichole > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >>>>>> > >> > -----Original Message----- > >>> >>>>>> > >> > From: Holliday, Kay > >>> >>>>>> > >> > Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 1998 10:12 AM > >>> >>>>>> > >> > To: Brogdon, Sylvia; Ladson, Rita; Flores, Carol; > >>> >>>>>> > >>'holliday@texas.net'; > >>> >>>>>> > >> > Henson, Jackie; Sanchez, Yolanda; Laughlin, > >Cherry; > >>> >>>>>> > Hannah, Daniela; > >>> >>>>>> > >> > Tatum, Derwin; 'Mike Randels'; Laughlin, Cherry; > >Aston, > >>> >>>>>> > Nichole; McCoy, > >>> >>>>>> > >> > Shirlee; Drummonds, Tonya > >>> >>>>>> > >> > Subject: It appears to be legit > >>> >>>>>> > >> > > >>> >>>>>> > >> > I received the following information and if we > >can't > >>> >>>>>> > trust Dell AP, who > >>> >>>>>> > >> > can we trust! > >>> >>>>>> > >> > > >>> >>We called Walt Disney from here in A/P and it is > >>> >>true!!!!!!!!!! > >>> >> > >>> >>Pamela Torres > >>> >>Finance Sr.Assoc. > >>> >>Accts. Payable > >>> >>Dell Computer Corporation > >>> >> > >>> >>Kay > >>> >> > >>> >>---Sky >>> >>mailto:tigapawz@mindspring.com>> wrote: > >>> >>From: Tamira McClure >>> >>mailto:mcclure@ms.com>> > >>> >>Reply-To: mcclure@ms.com > >>> >>Organization: Morgan Stanley > >>> >>X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) > >>> >>mailto:Ahunna_E_Onyewu@fleet.com>>, > >>> >>Alyse Colombo >>> >>>, > >>> >>AnnMarie Noone >>> >>mailto:noonea@ms.com>>, > >>> >>Chris Campbell Campbell >>> >>mailto:answorth@emeraldis.com>>, > >>> >>Dan Venne >>> >>mailto:tdbear2@hotmail.com>>, > >>> >>Daniel Moore >>> >>mailto:mooreda@icarus.bschool.unc.edu>>, > >>> >>"Derek_Jones@schuster.com > >>> >>mailto:Derek_Jones@schuster.com>" > >>> >>>, > >>> >>Desiree Kraeft >>> >>mailto:anya475@yahoo.com>>, > >>> >>Edward DeBruyn > >>> >> > >>> >>Subject: Let's all go!! > >>> >> > >>> >>Apparently this is true and worth a shot!!! > >>> >>>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > >>> >>Folks, > >>> >> > >>> >>I called Disney my damn self. It's no lie. GET IT > >>> >>DONE! You all > >>> >>owe me. > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >>If you read below you will see the note from Walt > >>> >>Disney Jr. & Management at Disney World. > >>> >>Basically if this messages reaches 13,000 people, > >>> >>everyone will receive $5,000.00 or a free, > >>> >>all expenses > >>> >>paid, trip to Disney World in anytime during the > >>> >>summer of 1999. > >>> >>See the note below - its worth it!!!! > >>> >> > >>> >>Everyone is to resend to 15 individuals. > >>> >>Please read and forward to as many friends as > >>> >>possible...we've checked up on > >>> >>this and this is no joke of a chain letter > >>> >>or something > >>> >>if this reaches 13,000 people...duplicate > >>> >>entries don't > >>> >>count, though...So, please help & pass on... > >>> >>thank you, and here you go!!! > >>> >>WALT DISNEY JR. > >>> >>GREETING > >>> >>Hello Disney fans, > >>> >>And thank you for signing up for Bill Gates' > >>> >>Beta > >>> >>Email Tracking > >>> >>My name is Walt Disney Jr. > >>> >>Here at Disney we are working with > >>> >>Microsoft which has just > >>> >>compiled an e-mail tracing program that > >>> >>tracks everyone > >>> >>to whom this message is forwarded to. It does > >>> >>this > >>> >>through an unique IP (Internet Protocol) > >>> >>address log book > >>> >>database. > >>> >>We are experimenting with this and need your > >>> >>help. > >>> >>Forward > >>> >>this to everyone you know and if it reaches > >>> >>13,000 people, > >>> >>1,300 of > >>> >>the > >>> >>people = > >>> >>on > >>> >>the list will receive $5,000, and the rest > >>> >>will receive a > >>> >>free trip > >>> >>for > >>> >>two > >>> >>to Disney World for one week during the > >>> >>summer of 1999 > >>> >>at our expense. Enjoy. > >>> >> > >>> >>Note: Duplicate entries will not be > >>> >>counted. You will > >>> >>be notified by email with further > >>> >>instructions once this > >>> >>email > >>> >>has reached 13,000 people. > >>> >> > >>> >>Your friends, > >>> >>Walt Disney Jr., Disney, Bill Gates, & The > >>> >>Microsoft > >>> >>Development Team. > >>> >> > >>> >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>--part0_909092339_boundary-- > >> > >> > > > > > >______________________________________________________ > >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > > > > > > > > > --- End Forwarded Message --- ---------------------- Elspeth Locke University of Exeter --- End Forwarded Message --- ---------------------- Katherine R. L. Copsey University of Exeter Jessica Stone, University of Plymouth. --- End Forwarded Message --- ......................... Roamy Terry St David's Lodge 65 St David's Hill EXETER EX4 4DW (01392) 251613 --------------4EA022B26ED0D8F7490CA7C6-- From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Nov 13 11:11:18 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA06926 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 13 Nov 1998 10:56:49 GMT Received: from larry.texcel.co.uk (larry.texcel.co.uk [195.40.103.11]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA06918 for ; Fri, 13 Nov 1998 10:56:46 GMT Received: from dreamer.demon.co.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by larry.texcel.co.uk (8.8.8/8.7.1) with ESMTP id KAA09496; Fri, 13 Nov 1998 10:56:43 GMT Message-ID: <364C106A.872D39DA@dreamer.demon.co.uk> Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 10:56:42 +0000 From: Neil Travers Organization: Home(ish) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.5 sun4d) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Subject: Re: [Fwd: (Fwd) FW: (Fwd) (Fwd) (Fwd) Free money, or free disney, seems (fwd)] (fwd) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk ** Stop it ** !! It's a fake/urban legend whatever .(if it isn't obvious enough). -- Neil Travers From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Nov 13 11:39:34 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id LAA15558 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 13 Nov 1998 11:24:17 GMT Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (imo23.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.67]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA15274; Fri, 13 Nov 1998 11:23:32 GMT From: BPeek85175@aol.com Received: from BPeek85175@aol.com by imo23.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id IEDa007437; Fri, 13 Nov 1998 06:22:04 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <57a5e78b.364c165c@aol.com> Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 06:22:04 EST To: mauom@csv.warwick.ac.uk Cc: britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [Fwd: (Fwd) FW: (Fwd) (Fwd) (Fwd) Free money, or free Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part0_910956130_boundary" X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 175 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_910956130_boundary Content-ID: <0_910956130@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Coincidentally, I received this email from a friend in the States this morning. I'm not sure if its genuine, (I've heard these types of message are often scaremongering) but I'd rather not risk downloading that file! Ben SuperFly In a message dated 13/11/1998 02:06:31 GMT, samuelrey@hotmail.com writes: << VIRUS ALERT - If you receive an e-mail titled "Win a Holiday", do NOT open it. It will erase everything on your hard drive. Forward this letter out to as many people as you can. This is a new, very malicious virus and not many people know about it. This information was announced yesterday morning from Microsoft, please share it with everyone that might access the Internet. Once again pass this along to everyone in your address book so that it may be stopped. >>>>DO YOU YAHOO!? >>>>Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com >>>> >>>>--- End Forwarded Message --- >>>> >>>> >>>>-- >>>>Mentzer, Erica N >>>>mentzeen@jmu.edu >>>> >> --part0_910956130_boundary Content-ID: <0_910956130@inet_out.mail.hotmail.com.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from rly-yc03.mail.aol.com (rly-yc03.mail.aol.com [172.18.149.35]) by air-yc02.mail.aol.com (v51.16) with SMTP; Thu, 12 Nov 1998 21:06:31 1900 Received: from hotmail.com (f67.hotmail.com [207.82.251.207]) by rly-yc03.mail.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with SMTP id VAA17308 for ; Thu, 12 Nov 1998 21:05:03 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 18141 invoked by uid 0); 13 Nov 1998 02:05:00 -0000 Message-ID: <19981113020500.18140.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 208.255.120.246 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 12 Nov 1998 18:04:59 PST X-Originating-IP: [208.255.120.246] From: "samuel rey" To: inablur@juno.com, BPeek85175@aol.com, heathertaylor22@hotmail.com, katesmile@hotmail.com, LLG100@york.ac.uk Cc: loosy_newman@hotmail.com, ladydeath5150@hotmail.com, majordomo@lists.cimedia.net Subject: Re: VIRUS Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 18:04:59 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> VIRUS ALERT - If you receive an e-mail titled "Win >>a >>>>> Holiday", >>>>> >>>>>>>>do >>>>> >>>>>>>>>NOT >>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> open it. It will erase everything on your hard >>>>drive. >>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> Forward this letter out to as many people as you >>>>can. This >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>is a >>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> new, very >>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> malicious >>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> virus and not many people know about it. >>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> This information was announced yesterday morning >>>>from >>>>> >>>>>>>>Microsoft, >>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> please >>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> share it with everyone that might access the >>>>Internet. >>>>> Once >>>>> >>>>>>>>again >>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> pass >>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> this >>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> along to everyone in your address book so that >>>>it may be >>>>> >>>>>>>>stopped. >>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> >>>> >>>>_________________________________________________________ >>>>DO YOU YAHOO!? >>>>Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com >>>> >>>>--- End Forwarded Message --- >>>> >>>> >>>>-- >>>>Mentzer, Erica N >>>>mentzeen@jmu.edu >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> >>______________________________________________________ >>Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > >--------- End forwarded message ---------- > >________________________________________________________________ >Get secure free e-mail that you don't need Web access to use >from Juno, the world's second largest online service. >Download your free software at http://www.juno.com/getit.b.html. > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com --part0_910956130_boundary-- From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Nov 13 11:42:43 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id LAA18736 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 13 Nov 1998 11:33:22 GMT Received: from otto.crispgroup.co.uk (crispgroup.demon.co.uk [158.152.87.155]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA18674 for ; Fri, 13 Nov 1998 11:33:13 GMT Received: from [129.1.1.241] by otto.crispgroup.co.uk (NTMail 3.03.0017/1.aia2) with ESMTP id ka039556 for ; Fri, 13 Nov 1998 11:29:21 +0000 Received: from [129.1.11.120] by homer.crispgroup.co.uk (NTMail 3.03.0012/1.aia2) with ESMTP id ta037173 for ; Fri, 13 Nov 1998 11:33:43 +0000 Received: by raviben810.crispgroup.co.uk with Microsoft Mail id <01BE0EFA.0282EC20@raviben810.crispgroup.co.uk>; Fri, 13 Nov 1998 11:37:35 -0000 Message-ID: <01BE0EFA.0282EC20@raviben810.crispgroup.co.uk> From: Ben Ravilious To: "britdisc@warwick.ac.uk" Subject: RE: [Fwd: (Fwd) FW: (Fwd) (Fwd) (Fwd) Free money, or free disney, seems (fwd)] (fwd) Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 11:37:24 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Info: Crisp Computing Mail Server Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id LAA18690 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Mike, Look at http://www.hoaxkill.com/ next time you get something like this. This sort of stuff is always BS. We get enough Ultimate crap on Britdisc as it is! Don't post spam onto a mailing list with nearly 400 subscribers. -----Original Message----- From: Mr B C Lawton [SMTP:mauom@csv.warwick.ac.uk] Sent: Friday, November 13, 1998 10:21 AM To: britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Subject: [Fwd: (Fwd) FW: (Fwd) (Fwd) (Fwd) Free money, or free disney, seems (fwd)] (fwd) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 15:33:45 +0000 (BST) From: Mike Clements To: MISS A M RILEY , Mr B Griffiths , Caley Adams , Miss C L Neil , Mr B C Lawton , Miss D L Bromhall , Miss J M A Cliff , Mr L A R Camburn , Miss E A Ashby , Tamasin Adams , Miss K Navaratnarajah , Miss E A Ashby , Mr D J Green , mridula rathi , Miss R L Smith , Mr S J Harris Subject: [Fwd: (Fwd) FW: (Fwd) (Fwd) (Fwd) Free money, or free disney, seems (fwd)] (fwd) Hello everyone, I've sent you an email which apparantly says that you could win a trip to Disneyland -yeah right! Anyway it's supposed to be from Walt Disney himself!! Feel free to delete it / send me abuse! Mike. xxxx ----------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 15:22:56 +0000 From: Chris Clements To: Jon , Singe , Helen , Wendy From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Nov 13 12:34:01 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA04633 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 13 Nov 1998 12:16:21 GMT Received: from fig.mail.easynet.net (fig.mail.easynet.net [195.40.1.46]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA04619 for ; Fri, 13 Nov 1998 12:16:16 GMT Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 12:16:16 GMT Message-Id: <199811131216.MAA04619@pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Received: (qmail 21991 invoked from network); 13 Nov 1998 12:16:11 -0000 Received: from stafford1.easynet.co.uk (HELO Default) (194.154.107.78) by fig.mail.easynet.net with SMTP; 13 Nov 1998 12:16:11 -0000 X-Sender: simon.norris@mail.virgin.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: britdisc@warwick.ac.uk From: Simon Norris Subject: Re: [Fwd: (Fwd) FW: (Fwd) (Fwd) (Fwd) Free money, or free Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk yet another hoax. text in an email cannot do anything, although attachments might. If anything says "pass it on to as many people as you can", don't. They are chain-letter garbage. simon At 06:22 13/11/98 EST, you wrote: >Content-ID: <0_910956130@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> >Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > >Coincidentally, I received this email from a friend in the States this >morning. I'm not sure if its genuine, (I've heard these types of message are >often scaremongering) but I'd rather not risk downloading that file! > >Ben >SuperFly > >In a message dated 13/11/1998 02:06:31 GMT, samuelrey@hotmail.com writes: > ><< VIRUS ALERT - If you receive an e-mail titled > "Win a Holiday", > do NOT open it. It will erase everything on your hard drive. > >Forward this letter out to as many people as you can. This is a new, very >malicious >virus and not many people know about it. > >This information was announced yesterday morning from Microsoft, please share >it with everyone that might access the Internet. >Once again pass this along to everyone in your address book so that it may be >stopped. > > >>>>DO YOU YAHOO!? > >>>>Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > >>>> > >>>>--- End Forwarded Message --- > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>-- > >>>>Mentzer, Erica N > >>>>mentzeen@jmu.edu > >>>> >> > >Content-ID: <0_910956130@inet_out.mail.hotmail.com.2> >Content-type: message/rfc822 >Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit >Content-disposition: inline > >Return-Path: >Received: from rly-yc03.mail.aol.com (rly-yc03.mail.aol.com [172.18.149.35]) > by air-yc02.mail.aol.com (v51.16) with SMTP; Thu, 12 Nov 1998 > 21:06:31 1900 >Received: from hotmail.com (f67.hotmail.com [207.82.251.207]) > by rly-yc03.mail.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) > with SMTP id VAA17308 for ; > Thu, 12 Nov 1998 21:05:03 -0500 (EST) >Received: (qmail 18141 invoked by uid 0); 13 Nov 1998 02:05:00 -0000 >Message-ID: <19981113020500.18140.qmail@hotmail.com> >Received: from 208.255.120.246 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; > Thu, 12 Nov 1998 18:04:59 PST >X-Originating-IP: [208.255.120.246] >From: "samuel rey" >To: inablur@juno.com, BPeek85175@aol.com, heathertaylor22@hotmail.com, > katesmile@hotmail.com, LLG100@york.ac.uk >Cc: loosy_newman@hotmail.com, ladydeath5150@hotmail.com, > majordomo@lists.cimedia.net >Subject: Re: VIRUS >Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 18:04:59 PST >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII >Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > > > >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> VIRUS ALERT - If you receive an e-mail titled >"Win >>>a >>>>>> Holiday", >>>>>> >>>>>>>>do >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>NOT >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> open it. It will erase everything on your hard >>>>>drive. >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> Forward this letter out to as many people as >you >>>>>can. This >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>is a >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> new, very >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> malicious >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> virus and not many people know about it. >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> This information was announced yesterday >morning >>>>>from >>>>>> >>>>>>>>Microsoft, >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> please >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> share it with everyone that might access the >>>>>Internet. >>>>>> Once >>>>>> >>>>>>>>again >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> pass >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> this >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> along to everyone in your address book so that >>>>>it may be >>>>>> >>>>>>>>stopped. >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>_________________________________________________________ >>>>>DO YOU YAHOO!? >>>>>Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com >>>>> >>>>>--- End Forwarded Message --- >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>-- >>>>>Mentzer, Erica N >>>>>mentzeen@jmu.edu >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>______________________________________________________ >>>Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com >> >> >>--------- End forwarded message ---------- >> >>________________________________________________________________ >>Get secure free e-mail that you don't need Web access to use >>from Juno, the world's second largest online service. >>Download your free software at http://www.juno.com/getit.b.html. >> > > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Nov 13 12:34:07 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA07318 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 13 Nov 1998 12:23:25 GMT Received: from admin.company-net.co.uk (admin.company-net.co.uk [193.129.5.65]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA07281 for ; Fri, 13 Nov 1998 12:23:20 GMT Received: by admin.company-net.co.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Fri, 13 Nov 1998 12:30:32 -0000 Message-ID: <590803E12A7AD211A428FA3DA700000001A765@admin.company-net.co.uk> From: Richard Clegg To: britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Subject: RE:Free money, or free disney Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 12:30:25 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Even better way of making sure it doesn't happen again - everybody on BritDisc could forward it right back to sender, attachment included 8^). Scuttler, Sneeeky's. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Nov 13 12:35:31 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA08980 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 13 Nov 1998 12:28:09 GMT Received: from admin.company-net.co.uk (admin.company-net.co.uk [193.129.5.65]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA08940 for ; Fri, 13 Nov 1998 12:28:01 GMT Received: by admin.company-net.co.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Fri, 13 Nov 1998 12:35:15 -0000 Message-ID: <590803E12A7AD211A428FA3DA700000001A766@admin.company-net.co.uk> From: Richard Clegg To: britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Subject: RE: [Fwd: (Fwd) FW: (Fwd) (Fwd) (Fwd) Free money, or free Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 12:35:04 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk >Coincidentally, I received this email from a friend in the States this >morning. I'm not sure if its genuine, (I've heard these types of message are >often scaremongering) but I'd rather not risk downloading that file! Often scaremongering? Try always. The only way a virus can infect your machine via email is if there are attachments such as Word documents included, with the virus hidden in a macro. Even then, you have to open the Word document and run the macro for the virus to have any effect. And to agree with Ben, what does Internet spam have to do with an Ultimate mailing list? Scuttler, Sneeeky's. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Nov 13 12:42:03 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA11968 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 13 Nov 1998 12:36:08 GMT Received: from na-ex-bridge2.nai.com ([208.228.228.65]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA11958 for ; Fri, 13 Nov 1998 12:36:04 GMT Received: by na-ex-bridge2.nai.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Fri, 13 Nov 1998 04:30:36 -0800 Message-ID: From: "Oakley, Caedman" To: BPeek85175@aol.com, mauom@csv.warwick.ac.uk Cc: britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Subject: RE: [Fwd: (Fwd) FW: (Fwd) (Fwd) (Fwd) Free money, or free Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 04:34:27 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Ok, Ok... Seeing as I work for Network Associates (Formerly Dr Solomons Software) - an anti-virus company lets do the posting.... Emails themselves cannot be viruses. Attachments to emails MAY contain a virus. 1 - Word Docs and Excel xls files can contain malicious macros. 2 - executables can contain viruses. (e.g. *.exe and *.com) These will be as attachments to an email. NOT the email itself... ALWAYS scan incoming attachments with a reputable anti-virus product (an evaluation findvirus is still on the Dr Solomon web site.- http://www.drsolomon.com/download/findvirus.cfm) for more information, contact Network Associates tech support on 01296 318700 or visit the web site at www.nai.com and www.drsolomon.com Cads From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Nov 13 13:03:03 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA17491 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 13 Nov 1998 12:52:19 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA17464; Fri, 13 Nov 1998 12:52:16 GMT Received: from [212.228.27.73] (helo=oregan.net) by post.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.05demon1 #1) id 0zeIhy-0003Il-00; Fri, 13 Nov 1998 12:52:14 +0000 Message-ID: <364C2C0C.18B7565F@oregan.net> Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 12:54:36 +0000 From: Adam Bennett Organization: Oregan Networks X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en,zh-TW,zh-CN,ja,en-GB,de-DE MIME-Version: 1.0 To: BPeek85175@aol.com CC: mauom@csv.warwick.ac.uk, britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Subject: Re: [Fwd: (Fwd) FW: (Fwd) (Fwd) (Fwd) Free money, or free References: <57a5e78b.364c165c@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk You guys new at this? 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This is a new, very > malicious > virus and not many people know about it. > > This information was announced yesterday morning from Microsoft, please share > it with everyone that might access the Internet. > Once again pass this along to everyone in your address book so that it may be > stopped. > > >>>>DO YOU YAHOO!? > >>>>Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > >>>> > >>>>--- End Forwarded Message --- > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>-- > >>>>Mentzer, Erica N > >>>>mentzeen@jmu.edu > >>>> >> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: VIRUS > Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 18:04:59 PST > From: "samuel rey" > To: inablur@juno.com, BPeek85175@aol.com, heathertaylor22@hotmail.com, > katesmile@hotmail.com, LLG100@york.ac.uk > CC: loosy_newman@hotmail.com, ladydeath5150@hotmail.com, > majordomo@lists.cimedia.net > > >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > >>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> VIRUS ALERT - If you receive an e-mail titled > "Win > >>a > >>>>> Holiday", > >>>>> >>>>>>>>do > >>>>> >>>>>>>>>NOT > >>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> open it. 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This > >>>>> >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>>>>>is a > >>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> new, very > >>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> malicious > >>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> virus and not many people know about it. > >>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> > >>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> This information was announced yesterday > morning > >>>>from > >>>>> >>>>>>>>Microsoft, > >>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> please > >>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> share it with everyone that might access the > >>>>Internet. > >>>>> Once > >>>>> >>>>>>>>again > >>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> pass > >>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> this > >>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> along to everyone in your address book so that > >>>>it may be > >>>>> >>>>>>>>stopped. > >>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>> > >>>>> >>>> > >>>>> >>>> > >>>>> >>> > >>>>> >>> > >>>>> >>> > >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>>_________________________________________________________ > >>>>DO YOU YAHOO!? > >>>>Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > >>>> > >>>>--- End Forwarded Message --- > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>-- > >>>>Mentzer, Erica N > >>>>mentzeen@jmu.edu > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >> > >> > >>______________________________________________________ > >>Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > > > > >--------- End forwarded message ---------- > > > >________________________________________________________________ > >Get secure free e-mail that you don't need Web access to use > >from Juno, the world's second largest online service. > >Download your free software at http://www.juno.com/getit.b.html. > > > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Nov 13 14:08:39 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id NAA06119 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 13 Nov 1998 13:47:20 GMT Received: from framestore.sohonet.co.uk (framestore1.sohonet.co.uk [193.203.80.44] (may be forged)) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA06102 for ; Fri, 13 Nov 1998 13:47:13 GMT Received: (from smap@localhost) by framestore.sohonet.co.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id NAA27222 for ; Fri, 13 Nov 1998 13:43:53 GMT Received: from london.fs.local( 192.168.2.150) by framestore.sohonet.co.uk via smap (V2.0) id xma027219; Fri, 13 Nov 98 13:43:46 GMT Received: from framestore.co.uk (engpc2.fs.local [192.168.1.23]) by london.fs.local (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id AAA61BE for ; Fri, 13 Nov 1998 13:43:44 +0000 Message-ID: <364C38AD.C84509F3@framestore.co.uk> Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 13:48:29 +0000 From: "Sean Holden" Organization: framestore X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: britdisc Subject: Fwd Fwd Fwd Fwd Backward Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk People appear to be pissed off about receiving one e-mail that they didn't want and the response to this is to....................... erm..................... write 10 or more e-mails about not wanting it. How about a new theory. Ignore it and accept that it will always happen. Sean From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Nov 13 14:25:02 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id OAA13311 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 13 Nov 1998 14:10:28 GMT Received: from crane.cf.ac.uk (crane.cf.ac.uk [131.251.0.45]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA13297 for ; Fri, 13 Nov 1998 14:10:25 GMT Received: from HUMSCF2S.CF.AC.UK by crane.cf.ac.uk with SMTP-LOC (PP); Fri, 13 Nov 1998 14:08:42 +0000 Received: from HUMSCF2S/SpoolDir by HUMSCF2S.CF.AC.UK (Mercury 1.43); 13 Nov 98 14:08:41 GMT0BST Received: from SpoolDir by HUMSCF2S (Mercury 1.43); 13 Nov 98 14:08:20 GMT0BST From: DAVID BARNARD To: Britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 14:08:11 GMT0BST Subject: Student Outdoors X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.54) Message-ID: <54E587F58CD@HUMSCF2S.CF.AC.UK> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi all Student teams, The Schmindoor tournaments seem to have been sorted out now with the North almost definately taking place on the 16th of January (To be confirmed) However the BIG ONE - student outdoors championships - may seem a long way away but I have had quite a lot of interest in hoasting it from different universities, it will be HUGE as there are no qualifiers so it will be as big as the biggest tour tournament last year so the bids have to be GOOD. If you are interested in hoasting it then let me know and If possible send me a letter and details of what you can offer and why I should pick you to hoast. My Address is: 45 Colum Rd Cathays Cardiff CF1 3EE Dave Barnard - Student co-ordinator Dave Barnard - Catch 22, No Frills & MTJAH @ 01222 373095 From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Nov 13 15:55:06 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id PAA12965 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 13 Nov 1998 15:39:43 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA12926 for ; Fri, 13 Nov 1998 15:39:37 GMT Received: from [158.152.23.8] (helo=cayman.actix1) by post.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.05demon1 #1) id 0zeLJt-00008n-00 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Fri, 13 Nov 1998 15:39:33 +0000 Received: by CAYMAN with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Fri, 13 Nov 1998 13:39:45 -0000 Message-ID: From: Simon Hill To: "'britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk'" Subject: BUF should help prevent indoor-ultimate injuries. Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 13:39:43 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk I remember a time when this sort of indoor talk would have been met with much sterner words from Harvey and/or team-mates! Come on Rog! Where are you? I propose something much more progressive than merely playing outside. I think the BUF should ban indoor ultimate. Or, at the very least, not get involved with it. This would leave the whole winter free for about three or four more tournaments. And nobody would get injured playing indoors - which would be a good thing. Talking of which - best wishes to Si Weeks! I think I'll start a petition. Si (22) -----Original Message----- From: pharvey@syscap.com [mailto:pharvey@syscap.com] Sent: 13 November 1998 09:08 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Re: >A wee tail of woe, [snip] > >DOH!!!! could I suggest that you guys don your hats and coats, and try playing OUTSIDE on the soft lush grass??? Harv From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Nov 13 17:59:43 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id RAA23945 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 13 Nov 1998 17:47:49 GMT Received: from pp2.shef.ac.uk (pp2.shef.ac.uk [143.167.1.32]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA23898 for ; Fri, 13 Nov 1998 17:47:41 GMT Received: from [143.167.127.253] (helo=blackmoor.shef.ac.uk) by pp2.shef.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.02 #5) id 0zeNJs-0007IA-00 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Fri, 13 Nov 1998 17:47:40 +0000 Received: from BLACKMOOR/SpoolDir by blackmoor.shef.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); 13 Nov 98 17:47:40 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by BLACKMOOR (Mercury 1.43); 13 Nov 98 17:47:25 +0000 From: "Peter James Coy" To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 17:47:17 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Banning indoor ultimate X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <6E2F0164DFE@blackmoor.shef.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Si, I hope you are joking. Banning indoor ultimate would have serious implications for student ultimate. If we had to play outside all the time, we would get nowhere near as much interest. The advantages of indoor for attracting beginners are huge, it not wet, cold or windy, everyone has a pair of trainers, but not everyone has the appropriate footwear for a mud playing field. If you doubt indoors potential for attracting beginners, Ask your self this, why is Edinburgh beginners all ways oversubscribed? We in Sheffield don't doubt it's benefits, we have three teams on their way to Edinburgh as I'm typing this. Don't get me wrong, outdoors is important, once we have people hooked we push playing outdoors. But You will find very few people attracted enough by ultimate to start playing it in autumn and winter (the start of the academic year) when the days are short, its cold, wet and windy. Whilst there is a greater risk of injury when playing indoors, there are a number of steps which can be taken to minimize this risk. Firstly exercise caution, if making a bid for the disc means you are going to run into the wall, then don't make the bid. Secondly where possible don't play up until the walls, try and give some space between the wall and the edge of the pitch. Pete (Phat' Eds). From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Nov 13 21:23:53 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id VAA29882 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 13 Nov 1998 21:09:12 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA29872 for ; Fri, 13 Nov 1998 21:09:09 GMT Received: from [158.152.248.177] (helo=phidelta.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.05demon1 #1) id 0zeQSp-0006fW-00 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Fri, 13 Nov 1998 21:09:08 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 21:07:30 +0000 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: Wayne Retter Subject: Re: Banning indoor ultimate In-Reply-To: <6E2F0164DFE@blackmoor.shef.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Trial Version 3.04 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Peter James Coy writes >Si, I hope you are joking. He is. Despite vowing not to play indoors again, Si fondly remembers all the times he did - even when he had to pick up at Nationals 'cos the rest of his team stopped playing Indoors before him... Strange how some teams only stop playing when they're no longer winning... (even if it does free them up to improve their outdoor game) Wayne Retter ---------------------------------------------------------------- Wayne Retter at home: 0181-663-4856 wayne@phidelta.demon.co.uk mobile: 07970-903420 at work: 01737-273611 wayne_retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Nov 16 08:02:52 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id HAA15927 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 07:47:05 GMT Received: from gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (ralf@gem [137.205.227.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA15916 for ; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 07:47:03 GMT Received: (from ralf@localhost) by gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id HAA09567 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 07:47:01 GMT Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 07:47:01 GMT From: Ranulf Doswell Message-Id: <199811160747.HAA09567@gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: BFDF Events Reminder Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk British Flying Disc Federation Disc Events Diary ------------------------------------------------ The events list can also be found at http://www.dcs.warwick.ac.uk/~ralf/bfdf/ ---------- Saturday 21st November 1998 Student Indoor South East Qualifiers (2 days) @ Brighton [Students' Indoor Ultimate] Contact Ali Findlay Email A.Findlay@bton.ac.uk Phone 01273 606589 Student Indoor Midland Qualifiers (2 days) [Students' Indoor Ultimate] Contact Simon Weeks Address 74 Commonside Sheffeild S10 1GG Email gga95sew@sheffield.ac.uk Phone 0114 266 2304 Saturday 28th November 1998 Student Indoor South West Qualifiers (2 days) @ Cardiff [Students' Indoor Ultimate] Contact Dave Barnard Email BarnardDW@cardiff.ac.uk Phone 0411 691129 Blue Arse Flies Tourny (EGO WANG FEST) (2 days) [Indoor Ultimate] Cost: GBP 80 per team, payable by 22/11/98 Contact Guy Kennet Email guy.kennett@meuk.mee.com Contact Merrick Cardew Address Lan-kidden Murcot Turn Broadway Worcs WR12 7HT Email merrick.cardew@g4tech.co.uk Phone 01386 830136 (home) 01684 277144 (work) Saturday 19th December 1998 Southampton Indoors (2 days) [Indoor Ultimate] Contact Suzanne Penfold Email scp195@soton.ac.uk Saturday 9th January 1999 Red Co-ed Indoors (2 days) @ Aylestone Leisure Centre, Leicester. [Indoor Ultimate] note change of venue Contact Leicester Ultimate Club (Red) Address PO Box 1075 Leicester LE2 1YQ Email red@ultimateweb.co.uk Phone 0116 2559638 (Ben Ravilious) Saturday 13th February 1999 Warwick Indoors (2 days) [Indoor Ultimate] Contact Mike Clements (Percy) Email ecumu@csv.warwick.ac.uk URL http://www.csv.warwick.ac.uk/~suaaz/ Women's Indoor Nationals (1 day) @ The University of Leeds [Women's Indoor Ultimate] Contact Rachel Jacobs Email lec6rej@leeds.ac.uk Phone 0113 224 2891 Saturday 27th February 1999 National Student Indoors (2 days) @ Leeds [Students' Indoor Ultimate] TD Jon Chewins Email bgy6jgc@South-02.novell.leeds.ac.uk Saturday 6th March 1999 Indoor Regionals (2 days) [Indoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Saturday 13th March 1999 Indoor Regionals (2 days) [Indoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Saturday 20th March 1999 Indoor Nationals (2 days) [Indoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Saturday 27th March 1999 Red Outdoors (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Leicester Ultimate Club (Red) Address PO Box 1075 Leicester LE2 1YQ Email red@ultimateweb.co.uk Phone 0116 2559638 (Ben Ravilious) Saturday 3rd April 1999 Dublin Outdoors (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 10th April 1999 Tour I (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Saturday 1st May 1999 Brugge (2 days) TBC [Outdoor Ultimate Abroad] Saturday 8th May 1999 Tour II (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Thursday 13th May 1999 Rotterdam (4 days) TBC [Outdoor Ultimate Abroad] Saturday 5th June 1999 Tour III (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Saturday 12th June 1999 Fiesta (2 days) TBC [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Laura Lafave Email lafave@cs.bris.ac.uk Phone (w) +44-117-954 5128 Saturday 26th June 1999 Tour IV (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Saturday 17th July 1999 Tour V (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Saturday 24th July 1999 Ross on Wye (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 7th August 1999 Worlds (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate Abroad] Saturday 14th August 1999 Worlds (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate Abroad] Saturday 25th September 1999 Nationals (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk ---------------------------------------------------------- British Flying Disc Federation Disc Events Diary http://www.dcs.warwick.ac.uk/~ralf/bfdf/ Ranulf Doswell, ralf@dcs.warwick.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Nov 16 09:18:03 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id JAA25594 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 09:02:35 GMT Received: from hotmail.com (f82.hotmail.com [207.82.250.188]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA25585 for ; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 09:02:33 GMT Received: (qmail 13250 invoked by uid 0); 16 Nov 1998 09:02:01 -0000 Message-ID: <19981116090201.13249.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 134.36.142.36 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 01:02:00 PST X-Originating-IP: [134.36.142.36] From: "Jester Bit" To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Lost property MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 01:02:00 PST Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk If you were not at the Edinburgh Beginners, please delete now. If you were, did you by any chance accidentally take home my elbow pads with you? They're Rucanor's, off white in colour and made up of 12 small squares, the same as Adam's from Ro Sham Bo. I saw other with the same pads so maybe you picked mine up thinking they were yours. Please tell me if you know where they are, the only shop that sold them up here has now closed so I can't buy any more! Cheers for now All the bester Singing Jest*r O | /| / | / | / | / \_____ ____/ \ \ / /\_______\ \ | / x - \ | \ / \ o /| \ | | \__/ | \ | O \ | \| \_| | O ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Nov 16 10:45:01 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA15537 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 10:22:24 GMT Received: from beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk (beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.129.138]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA15528 for ; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 10:22:22 GMT Received: from cedar.sucs.soton.ac.uk (cedar.sucs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.128.92]) by beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.8/relay-02) with ESMTP id KAA24256 for ; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 10:22:21 GMT Received: from b62a-04.sucs.soton.ac.uk (b62a-04.sucs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.237.132]) by cedar.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.8/relay-02) with SMTP id KAA29556 for ; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 10:09:46 GMT From: Suze Reply-To: scp195@soton.ac.uk To: Britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Discs Message-ID: Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 10:12:55 +0000 (GMT) X-Mailer: Simeon for Windows Version 4.1.4 Build (40) X-Authentication: none MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Yep, yet another person looking for a load of cheap discs. I want about 30, can anyone help me out? Cheers Suze ---------------------- Suze scp195@soton.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Nov 16 11:16:11 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA25585 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 10:55:42 GMT Received: from ursa.cns.umist.ac.uk (ursa.cns.umist.ac.uk [130.88.210.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA25560 for ; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 10:55:38 GMT Received: from ccg.acu.man.ac.uk ([130.88.17.200]) by ursa.cns.umist.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.92 #2) for britdisc@warwick.ac.uk id 0zfMJS-00016p-00; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 10:55:19 +0000 Received: from ccMail by ccg.acu.man.ac.uk (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.20.00.25) id AA911213749; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 10:55:57 GMT Message-Id: <9811169112.AA911213749@ccg.acu.man.ac.uk> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.20.00.25 Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 12:46:45 GMT From: "Rob Mitchell" To: Subject: HEY! WE GET THE POINT! (re: Fw:Fw:Fw:Fw:For:god:s:sake:st... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: "cc:Mail Note Part" Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Subject: HEY! WE GET THE POINT! (re: Fw:Fw:Fw:Fw:For:god:s:sake:stop:it) like william s burroughs said, 'The word is a virus'. your discussion is infecting my inbox. take it to alt.news.oldnews if you must. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Nov 16 13:03:49 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA01223 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 12:42:29 GMT Received: from newmail.virgin.net (newmail.virgin.net [194.168.54.44]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA01201 for ; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 12:42:25 GMT Received: from cow ([194.168.57.206]) by newmail.virgin.net (Post.Office MTA Undefined release Undefined ID# 0-52107U250000L250000S0V35) with SMTP id net; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 12:47:33 +0000 Message-ID: <36501D50.7527@virgin.net> Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 12:40:48 +0000 From: Iain Roberts Reply-To: iain.roberts2@virgin.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-VN710-003 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Peter James Coy CC: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Re: Banning indoor ultimate References: <6E2F0164DFE@blackmoor.shef.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Pete & Si, I hope your both joking, Skunks firmly believe in playing indoors and outdoors throughout the season. So instead of being suddenly introduced to the outdoor pitch in February, beginners have outdoor practice right from the word go. Though I can see Pete's point about getting them hooked before taking them outdoors, we have a big intake this year and they all understand that although indoors is cushy and warm, ultimate is played outdoors; and thats where it counts. Hopefully this outdoor practice from the start of term, means that we play better outdoors in the Tour etc. Maybe this is why there aren't many student teams in the tour, and why Skunks did quite well (top 16). Iain (skunks sec.) Peter James Coy wrote: > > Si, I hope you are joking. > > Banning indoor ultimate would have serious implications for student > ultimate. If we had to play outside all the time, we would get > nowhere near as much interest. The advantages of indoor for > attracting beginners are huge, it not wet, cold or windy, everyone has > a pair of trainers, but not everyone has the appropriate footwear for > a mud playing field. If you doubt indoors potential for attracting > beginners, Ask your self this, why is Edinburgh beginners all ways > oversubscribed? We in Sheffield don't doubt it's benefits, we have > three teams on their way to Edinburgh as I'm typing this. > Don't get me wrong, outdoors is important, once we have people > hooked we push playing outdoors. But You will find very few > people attracted enough by ultimate to start playing it in autumn and > winter (the start of the academic year) when the days are short, its > cold, wet and windy. > > Whilst there is a greater risk of injury when playing indoors, > there are a number of steps which can be taken to minimize this risk. > Firstly exercise caution, if making a bid for the disc means you are > going to run into the wall, then don't make the bid. Secondly where > possible don't play up until the walls, try and give some space > between the wall and the edge of the pitch. > > Pete (Phat' Eds). From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Nov 16 14:00:49 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id NAA18988 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 13:33:56 GMT Received: from hotmail.com (f205.hotmail.com [207.82.251.96]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA18950 for ; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 13:33:50 GMT Received: (qmail 18597 invoked by uid 0); 16 Nov 1998 13:33:14 -0000 Message-ID: <19981116133314.18596.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 134.36.142.34 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 05:33:13 PST X-Originating-IP: [134.36.142.34] From: "Jester Bit" To: scp195@soton.ac.uk Cc: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Re: Discs MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 05:33:13 PST Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk >Yep, >yet another person looking for a load of cheap discs. I >want about 30, can anyone help me out? Try giving Miles a call at Wind Things in Edinburgh, he's a generous guy and will probably give you a good price. Wind Things 11 Cowgate Edinburgh EH1 1JY 0131 622 7032 Please quote reference: 'Jester told me' when calling. Ta. ;-) Cheers for now All the bester Jest*r O | /| / | / | / | / \_____ ____/ \ \ / /\_______\ \ | / x - \ | \ / \ o /| \ | | \__/ | \ | O \ | \| \_| | O ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Nov 16 19:13:56 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id QAA16474 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 16:12:14 GMT Received: from mail.grantham.ac.uk ([194.83.4.8]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA16432 for ; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 16:12:07 GMT Message-Id: <199811161612.QAA16432@pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Received: by mail.grantham.co.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 16:09:36 -0000 From: "Paul Unwin (Grantham College)" To: britdisc Subject: Edinburgh Beginners Tournament Photos on the Web? Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 16:06:00 -0000 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk I hear a report on the Edinburgh Beginners Tournament along with photos is available on the Net. Where is it? I've looked at the Sneeekys web site but I cant find any photies :-( Any help appreciated. Thanks Pu (Superfly, Cupid Stunts) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Nov 17 10:57:14 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA02150 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 10:46:04 GMT Received: from otto.crispgroup.co.uk (crispgroup.demon.co.uk [158.152.87.155]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA02139 for ; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 10:46:02 GMT Received: from [129.1.1.241] by otto.crispgroup.co.uk (NTMail 3.03.0017/1.aia2) with ESMTP id ta040917 for ; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 10:42:37 +0000 Received: from [129.1.11.120] by homer.crispgroup.co.uk (NTMail 3.03.0012/1.aia2) with ESMTP id fa037809 for ; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 10:46:23 +0000 Received: by raviben810.crispgroup.co.uk with Microsoft Mail id <01BE1218.10A64600@raviben810.crispgroup.co.uk>; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 10:50:18 -0000 Message-ID: <01BE1218.10A64600@raviben810.crispgroup.co.uk> From: Ben Ravilious To: "'Britdisc'" Subject: World Ultimate Magazine Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 10:50:12 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Info: Crisp Computing Mail Server Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id KAA02145 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk I got the 'Spring 98' edition (No. 2) of World Ultimate Magazine in the post this morning - it seems Dave Brown has pulled his finger out at last. Anyone else received a copy today? Ben From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Nov 17 11:01:05 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA28836 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 10:35:59 GMT Received: from mps3.leeds.ac.uk (sunserv5.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.16.35]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA28829 for ; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 10:35:57 GMT Received: from west-01.novell.leeds.ac.uk (west-01.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.124.1]) by mps3.leeds.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA18298 for ; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 10:35:51 GMT Message-Id: <199811171035.KAA18298@mps3.leeds.ac.uk> Received: from LUCS-H21/SpoolDir by west-01.novell.leeds.ac.uk (Mercury 1.43); 17 Nov 98 10:35:40 GMT0BST Received: from SpoolDir by LUCS-H21 (Mercury 1.43); 17 Nov 98 10:35:33 GMT0BST From: "R.E. JACOBS" Organization: University of Leeds To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 10:35:13 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Women's Nationals Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk To all those who keep e mailing me about the Women's Nationals. YES THERE IS A MISTAKE IN THE DIARY, NO THE TOURNAMENT ISN'T JUST FOR ONE DAY AND THEREFORE, YES IT IS OVER THE WHOLE TWO DAYS OF THE WEEKEND OF THE 13/14 FEBRUARY I am taking entries at the moment and there has been a lot of interest already so send me a message if you are thinking of coming to secure your place followed by a cheque for the tournament fee as soon as you are able. Cheers Rachxxxxxx Disco Inferno P.S I am out of the country for a month from the 8th December so if you could let me know if you are intending to put a team in before then it would be a big help. 3 Elizabeth Street Hyde Park Leeds West Yorks LS6 1JF 0113 224 2891 lec6rej@leeds.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Nov 17 13:20:22 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA17059 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 12:55:36 GMT Received: from renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk (renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk [129.215.13.3]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA17045 for ; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 12:55:34 GMT Received: from eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk (eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk [129.215.13.1]) by renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA21067 for ; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 12:55:33 GMT Received: from SMS-EIGG/SpoolDir by eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk (Mercury 1.43); 17 Nov 98 12:55:33 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by SMS-EIGG (Mercury 1.43); 17 Nov 98 12:55:30 +0000 From: "James Spicer" <9550732@eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk> To: Britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 12:55:21 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Beginners Report X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.52) Message-ID: <31D67220E01@eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Beginners Report Game PLay Well another beginners has been and gone and again everyone had great time. The pool games were played on the Saturday with cross overs being played sunday morning. Ro sham bo, Take Phat, Flying Sourceors 1 and Phat U all winnig there pools and going striaght into the top 8. The other end of the scale saw Disciples, shooting stars, cupid stunts, and Mohawks all coming at the bottom of the pool and playing in the spoon. Thet crossing over Sunday morning and settling out the pools. The rest was simple with Ro Sham Bo winning the final againsit Take Phat, Shooting Sourcerors beating Sneeeky's in the Plate Final and Cupid Stunts and Disciples deciding to tie and therefore taking 1/2 a wooden spoon home each. (apon breaking ended up more of a 3/4 - 1/4 split) So results 1) Ro-sham-Bo (Cup) 2) Take Phat 3) Sourcerors 1 4) Phat U 5) Northern Lights 2 6) Reservoir Fish 7) Far Flung 1 8) Northern Lights 1 9) Shooting Sourcerors PLATE 10) Sneeeky's 11) Phat Ulence 12) Alien Nation 13) Ro-Sham-Bo 14) Petroleum 15) Mild Mannered Jaintors 16) Cranfield Smashing Rabbits 17) Disciples SPOON 17) Cupid Stunts SPOON 19) Superfly 20) Mohawks 21) Jesters 22) Far Flung 2 23) Shooting Stars 24) Mucwi See Party Play The most important part the party saw 230 odd people descend into the outer parts of edinburgh, for another large top taking off party. The three pint challege was undertaken this year with a sucess for The Sourcerors winning the mens, Ro Sham bo winning the womens divsion and in true ultimate style a co ed team from Sneeeky's taking the co ed crown. Again tops were off and again women (only a few) got in the spirit of it all. The result of the party was inevitably leeds losing their 4 year regin, to Ro sham Bo who were voted and awarded by chris Burdern The party animals of the year award. Other. The coach with the most stupid Hat this year saw locks from Mohawks keep his title and was awarded with another ''see you Jimmy'' hat by Jonnie Burdern.. The sharking award this year was awarded by Isla to Hannah from Mild Mannered Jaintors, who has taken a blow up sheep back to Leeds for her louage (she says) Lastly and most importantly the Spirit of the game was awarded by the sharker Hannah to Superfly. I hope every one had a great time. see you all around James. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Nov 18 14:56:34 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id OAA21236 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 14:34:07 GMT Received: from europa.bton.ac.uk (europa.bton.ac.uk [194.83.112.9]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA21220 for ; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 14:34:03 GMT Received: from alpha2.bton.ac.uk ([194.81.203.3]) by europa.bton.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.92 #1) for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk id 0zg8gE-0004oj-00; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 14:34:02 +0000 Received: from localhost by alpha2.bton.ac.uk (5.65v4.0/1.1.8.2/28Jul95-0212PM) id AA18512; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 14:34:02 GMT Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 14:34:02 +0000 (GMT) From: Ali Findlay To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: s.e regionals allstar charity game Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk due to games finishing at 3pm on the saturday of this tournament, there will be an Allstar fantasy ultimate game Outdoors in aid of Children In Need. Each university gets to nominate 3 players. 1 handler 1 middle 1 Long. #1 to enter. There will be a prize for the winner. So bring yer boots. ALi From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Nov 18 15:41:55 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id PAA05385 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 15:23:20 GMT Received: from spuggie.cen.brad.ac.uk (root@spuggie.cen.brad.ac.uk [143.53.238.24]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA05371 for ; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 15:23:17 GMT Received: from kite.cen.brad.ac.uk (bjsilcoc@kite.cen.brad.ac.uk [143.53.238.22]) by spuggie.cen.brad.ac.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id PAA00029 for ; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 15:23:12 GMT Received: from localhost (bjsilcoc@localhost) by kite.cen.brad.ac.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id PAA24001 for ; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 15:23:10 GMT Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 15:23:10 +0000 (BST) From: "Flowers never bend with the rainfall." X-Sender: bjsilcoc@kite.cen.brad.ac.uk To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Indoor injurys Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Just a quick note about indoor ultimate. Although I agree that Indoors is essential to the teaching of ultimate and it is alot of fun (If you like that sort of thing). If you take the lay out out of Ultimate, is it still ultimate?? To me, Indoors is fun, but I learned along time ago not to lay out on a concreate floor or near a wall. So There is my point - I don't think the rules of ultimate translate as well as they could do to the indoor game. To make indoors safer the layout needs to be looked down apon, mabe even put somone in the sin bin for doing a big one. Everybody with a bit of experience can do a little slide on their arse, but it takes time to learn how to do it safely. but if Indoors it taught without the layout, when people go from being indoors to outdoors they will get confused about what sort of disc they can make a bid on or not! Therefore Indoors should be more widly seen as a different sport, that needs different skills and its own governing body! Ben Disciples & MMJ ***************************************************************************** `'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'` '`'`'`'Benjamin Silcock * Biomedical Sciences * Bradford University '`'`'`'`' `'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'` '`'`'`'`'`If you live life for every moment, Tomorrow never comes`'`'`'`'`'`' `'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'` '`'`'`'`'`When I die, my whole life will be forgotten. Will yours?'`'`'`'`'`' `'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'` ***************************************************************************** From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Nov 18 16:48:01 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id QAA23126 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 16:26:33 GMT Received: from smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk ([62.172.72.129]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id QAA23108 for ; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 16:26:30 GMT From: Wayne_Retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk Received: from ccMail by smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk (IMA Internet Exchange 3.01 Enterprise) id 0002B5D4; Wed, 18 Nov 98 16:23:44 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 16:23:13 +0000 Message-ID: <0002B5D4.CE21337@watsonwyatt.co.uk> Subject: Re: s.e regionals allstar charity game To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Author: Ali Findlay at ~Internet Date: 18/11/98 14:34 >due to games finishing at 3pm on the saturday of this tournament, there >will be an Allstar fantasy ultimate game Outdoors in aid of Children In >Need. Cool! Outdoor Ultimate at the Indoor Regionals! >Each university gets to nominate 3 players. 1 handler 1 middle 1 Long. >#1 to enter. There will be a prize for the winner. > >So bring yer boots. and Hats, Gloves, LongSleeve tops, Leggings and sunglasses - the weather will likely be "cool" too! This ought to apply to EVERYONE - you want your *spectators* to be *cool*, not *cold*! Wayne Retter too old (or just not clever enough...) to be a student anymore From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Nov 18 16:53:14 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id QAA24904 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 16:33:11 GMT Received: from exchpk02.chelt.ac.uk (exchpk02.chelt.ac.uk [194.66.194.6]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA24871 for ; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 16:33:08 GMT Received: by exchpk02.chelt.ac.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 16:32:55 -0000 Message-ID: <8102C4585310D211858D0060B01A41330A398E@exchpk02.chelt.ac.uk> From: "HUGHES, Chris" To: "'Britdisc'" Subject: Laying out indoors Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 16:32:55 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk [BS] Just a quick note about indoor ultimate. Although I agree that Indoors is essential to the teaching of ultimate and it is alot of fun (If you like that sort of thing). If you take the lay out out of Ultimate, is it still ultimate?? To me, Indoors is fun, but I learned along time ago not to lay out on a concreate floor or near a wall. So There is my point - I don't think the rules of ultimate translate as well as they could do to the indoor game. To make indoors safer the layout needs to be looked down apon, mabe even put somone in the sin bin for doing a big one. Everybody with a bit of experience can do a little slide on their arse, but it takes time to learn how to do it safely. but if Indoors it taught without the layout, when people go from being indoors to outdoors they will get confused about what sort of disc they can make a bid on or not! Therefore Indoors should be more widly seen as a different sport, that needs different skills and its own governing body! [CH] Don't be so stupid. Ultimate like all sports give people the choice at which intensity you want to play at. Some people have represented GB on a number of occasions outdoors without ever laying out - step forward Sonic. Other people like me are so fat and slow that the only way I'll ever get to a disc is to dive for it 'cos I can never run there quick enough. Laying out - both indoors and outdoors is each individuals choice; as long as the dive does not endanger anyone else then you can dive headfirst into a wall for all I care. If you go to some tournaments you'll find that no matter how far you dive as long as you start on the pitch you still won't reach the closest wall. You play your game and I'll play mine, and if you decide that indoors is too unsafe for your liking then don't play, but don't try and be a nanny for everyone else. I'll agree with you on one front - indoors is a totally different style of play than outdoors, but there is no need for a separate governing body; especially one that won't let you layout. What next - no running in case you trip up and graze your knee. Chris From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Nov 18 17:09:52 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id QAA29406 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 16:48:51 GMT Received: from polaris.bmpddb.com (mailhost.bmpddb.com [193.130.32.70]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA29384 for ; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 16:48:48 GMT Received: by POLARIS with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 16:46:39 -0000 Message-ID: From: David Trovell To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: RE: Indoor injurys Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 16:46:31 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk What's going on! Have we bred a bunch of mincers to carry on the future of Ultimate! Laying out indoors hurts Laying out outdoors hurts GET USED TO IT > -----Original Message----- > From: Flowers never bend with the rainfall. > [SMTP:B.J.Silcock@Bradford.ac.uk] > Sent: 18 November 1998 15:23 > To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk > Subject: Indoor injurys > > > Just a quick note about indoor ultimate. > > Although I agree that Indoors is essential to the teaching of ultimate and > it is alot of fun (If you like that sort of thing). If you take the lay > out out of Ultimate, is it still ultimate?? To me, Indoors is fun, but I > learned along time ago not to lay out on a concreate floor or near a wall. > > So There is my point - I don't think the rules of ultimate translate as > well as they could do to the indoor game. To make indoors safer the layout > needs to be looked down apon, mabe even put somone in the sin bin for > doing a big one. Everybody with a bit of experience can do a little slide > on their arse, but it takes time to learn how to do it safely. > > but if Indoors it taught without the layout, when people go from being > indoors to outdoors they will get confused about what sort of disc they > can make a bid on or not! > > Therefore Indoors should be more widly seen as a different sport, that > needs different skills and its own governing body! > > Ben > > Disciples & MMJ > ************************************************************************** > *** > `'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`' > `'` > '`'`'`'Benjamin Silcock * Biomedical Sciences * Bradford University > '`'`'`'`' > `'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`' > `'` > '`'`'`'`'`If you live life for every moment, Tomorrow never > comes`'`'`'`'`'`' > `'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`' > `'` > '`'`'`'`'`When I die, my whole life will be forgotten. Will > yours?'`'`'`'`'`' > `'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`' > `'` > ************************************************************************** > *** From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Nov 18 17:54:54 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id RAA14203 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 17:38:12 GMT Received: from otto.crispgroup.co.uk (crispgroup.demon.co.uk [158.152.87.155]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id RAA14193 for ; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 17:38:09 GMT Received: from [129.1.1.241] by otto.crispgroup.co.uk (NTMail 3.03.0017/1.aia2) with ESMTP id ha041945 for ; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 17:33:51 +0000 Received: from [129.1.11.120] by homer.crispgroup.co.uk (NTMail 3.03.0012/1.aia2) with ESMTP id oa038286 for ; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 17:38:20 +0000 Received: by raviben810.crispgroup.co.uk with Microsoft Mail id <01BE131A.CA1B0B40@raviben810.crispgroup.co.uk>; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 17:42:19 -0000 Message-ID: <01BE131A.CA1B0B40@raviben810.crispgroup.co.uk> From: Ben Ravilious To: "britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk" Subject: RE: Indoor injurys Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 17:42:18 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Info: Crisp Computing Mail Server Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id RAA14196 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Having once watched a junior player jointly flattened by Hwo 'Slam in the Lamb' Lam, and Jeff Bale from Red during a layout, I can quite understand some players wanting to take up a less dangerous disc sport (eg Tiddlywinks). On a more serious note there are techniques for making lay-outs much safer (eg landing on your front not your shoulder and yes, avoiding walls). There was a good article about this in issue 1 of World Ultimate Magazine (I think). I wonder if the article is also public domain anywhere on the internet??? Then there's proper warm-ups too...... Ben Ravilious RED - but not yet dead. -----Original Message----- From: David Trovell [SMTP:david.trovell@bmpoptimum.co.uk] Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 1998 4:47 PM To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: RE: Indoor injurys What's going on! Have we bred a bunch of mincers to carry on the future of Ultimate! Laying out indoors hurts Laying out outdoors hurts GET USED TO IT > -----Original Message----- > From: Flowers never bend with the rainfall. > [SMTP:B.J.Silcock@Bradford.ac.uk] > Sent: 18 November 1998 15:23 > To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk > Subject: Indoor injurys > > > Just a quick note about indoor ultimate. > > Although I agree that Indoors is essential to the teaching of ultimate and > it is alot of fun (If you like that sort of thing). If you take the lay > out out of Ultimate, is it still ultimate?? To me, Indoors is fun, but I > learned along time ago not to lay out on a concreate floor or near a wall. > > So There is my point - I don't think the rules of ultimate translate as > well as they could do to the indoor game. To make indoors safer the layout > needs to be looked down apon, mabe even put somone in the sin bin for > doing a big one. Everybody with a bit of experience can do a little slide > on their arse, but it takes time to learn how to do it safely. > > but if Indoors it taught without the layout, when people go from being > indoors to outdoors they will get confused about what sort of disc they > can make a bid on or not! > > Therefore Indoors should be more widly seen as a different sport, that > needs different skills and its own governing body! > > Ben > > Disciples & MMJ > ************************************************************************** > *** > `'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`' > `'` > '`'`'`'Benjamin Silcock * Biomedical Sciences * Bradford University > '`'`'`'`' > `'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`' > `'` > '`'`'`'`'`If you live life for every moment, Tomorrow never > comes`'`'`'`'`'`' > `'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`' > `'` > '`'`'`'`'`When I die, my whole life will be forgotten. Will > yours?'`'`'`'`'`' > `'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`' > `'` > ************************************************************************** > *** From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Nov 18 17:58:49 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id RAA16376 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 17:46:47 GMT Received: from rocky.infogrames.local ([195.44.46.83]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA16361 for ; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 17:46:44 GMT Received: from mailgate.ocean.co.uk (mailgate.infogrames.local [10.10.10.17]) by rocky.infogrames.local (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id RAA01817 for ; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 17:46:52 GMT Received: (qmail 21311 invoked from network); 18 Nov 1998 17:46:42 -0000 Received: from exchange-server.infogrames.local (10.10.10.214) by mailgate.infogrames.local with SMTP; 18 Nov 1998 17:46:42 -0000 Received: by exchange-server.infogrames.local with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 17:46:42 -0000 Message-ID: <907525BC433BD211818D00805F6F48CA21AF4D@exchange-server.infogrames.local> From: Kevin Lowe To: Britdisc Subject: Really stupid layouts indoors Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 17:46:41 -0000 X-Priority: 1 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Can't resist responding to this one. >Laying out - both indoors and outdoors is each individuals choice; as long >as the dive does not endanger anyone else then you can dive headfirst into a >wall for all I care. If you go to some tournaments you'll find that no >matter how far you dive as long as you start on the pitch you still won't >reach the closest wall. Didn't a certain Chris Hughes back in Oxford 92 wonder if you could do a layout pull, and promptly cut his chin open on the floor trying? Kevin. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Nov 18 18:01:24 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id RAA18827 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 17:55:27 GMT Received: from smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk ([62.172.72.129]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id RAA18807 for ; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 17:55:25 GMT From: Wayne_Retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk Received: from ccMail by smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk (IMA Internet Exchange 3.01 Enterprise) id 0002B6D5; Wed, 18 Nov 98 17:52:36 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 17:51:58 +0000 Message-ID: <0002B6D5.CE21337@watsonwyatt.co.uk> Subject: Re: Indoor injurys To: BritDisc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk If this is a wind-up, I'm hooked! Otherwise, (as someone who has a handy layout, alledgedly) IMHO: Laying out, whether Indoors OR Outdoors, is an action that requires an on-the-spot decision, taking into account all sorts of things - including the proximity of the out-of-bounds area. Laying out OUGHT really to be a DEFENSIVE play - if you have to lay out on O, you're probably trying to recover someone else's error (so intelligent teams try to develop Os that reduce the need for these errors to be made... and less layouts on O!) [so, is it a mark or MORE intellgence to *only* play outdoors, so that these layouts are hopefully less damaging???] Having said that, you then have to consider whether your defensive (single-player gloryboy) layout bid will be successful (whether you get the disc, or put the thrower/receiver off enough to get a different form of turnover) or whether you'd sooner be on your feet, unwinded, with the chance of helping your team shut everyone down and get the stall... If out-of-bounds is denoted by a wall, the intelligent players add the factor of a trip to hospital to their decision... if they reckon they can make the layout, and not hit the wall dangerously, they'll do it. If they do it, and get it wrong - they're not as intelligent as they thought! The secret Going ho successfully is (I think!) to be able to get up again afterwards! this means learning to *land comfortably* which includes (indoors) being sensible about walls (If you land properly, the floor shouldn't be a problem - and friction burns can br got just as easily outdoors as in). If you hit a wall, it'll be uncomfortable, you'll learn that you were WRONG, and you might not get up again. Does making that catch or getting that D matter if you're not going to be able to celebrate? One of the joys about playing Indoors AND Outdoors is that when you get Outdoors there's the freedom to layout nearer the sideLINE. I suppose we could reduce the Indoor injuries by playing to sideLINES. eeek! even smaller pitches! or bigger halls? Wayne Retter played indoors, will do again only ever broken bones through playing Outdoor Ultimate From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Nov 18 18:24:46 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id SAA22328 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 18:08:06 GMT Received: from Cypress.Com (janus.cypress.com [157.95.1.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id SAA22311 for ; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 18:08:02 GMT Received: from UKDesign.Cypress.Com (cypg.ukdesign.cypress.com) by Cypress.Com; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 10:07:21 -0800 Received: from cypress.com by UKDesign.Cypress.Com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id SAA12346; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 18:05:02 GMT Message-Id: <36530C4D.776A38D5@cypress.com> Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 18:05:01 +0000 From: James Lutley Organization: Cypress Semiconductor UK Design Centre X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.5 sun4u) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Indoors Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------ED1855E63526C0D1EF2CA2BD" Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------ED1855E63526C0D1EF2CA2BD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ban Indoors...Pah! Indoor Ultimate is the way forward. I think we should ban outdoors and concentrate solely on indoors. Just look at this list of advantages of indoors over outdoors:- 1. Indoors is always close to the bar. 2. It's warmer. 3. The bar is nearer. 4. It very rarely rains indoors 5. Games are shorter so you can devote more time to the bar. 6. Being completely plastered is no hinderance to winning a few games. 7. Walls stop any wayward discs and allow you to easily retrieve them. Now it is true that walls tend to be quite solid, but this helps them do their job in holding up the roof. As for injuries caused by them, anyone who chooses to run flat out into a brick wall in attempt to catch a bit of plastic probably shouldn't be allowed out on their own. Do what the rest of us do....let plastic hit wall, avoid big solid object.......and blame the thrower :) Cheers Jimmer Mr Men P.S The "Blaming the Thrower" tactic can be applied to other aspects of your play...like failing to cut, drops etc. --------------ED1855E63526C0D1EF2CA2BD Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="vcard.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for James Lutley Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="vcard.vcf" begin: vcard fn: James Lutley n: Lutley;James org: Cypress Semiconductor [UK] Ltd. adr: Unit 11, Cedarwood;;Chineham Business Park;Basingstoke;Hants;RG24 8WD;UK email;internet: jwl@cypress.com title: Senior Design Engineer tel;work: +44 1256 416969 x202 tel;fax: +44 1256 416970 x-mozilla-cpt: ;0 x-mozilla-html: TRUE version: 2.1 end: vcard --------------ED1855E63526C0D1EF2CA2BD-- From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Nov 18 22:26:09 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id WAA12344 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 22:10:58 GMT Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (imo23.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.67]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA12314 for ; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 22:10:53 GMT From: Chuckaway@aol.com Received: from Chuckaway@aol.com by imo23.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id IHLUa03137 for ; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 17:10:18 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <5ba5968a.365345ca@aol.com> Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 17:10:18 EST To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: qualifying for worlds Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0.i for Windows sub 166 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Could either the chairperson or the secretary of the BUF please confirm at this early juncture how teams will be selected to represent Great Britain in the women's and co-ed divisions at the Worlds in Scotland. I trust that the selection criteria will be published on Britdisc well in advance of any decisions being made with regards to what teams have to do to qualify. I also trust that no decions will be made on random criteria. As an extreme example, a team would not be given a slot just because they happened to submit a list of names to one of the BUF committee, because maybe this had not been publicly asked for or even hinted at. I would just like a clarifying statement so that each club hoping to enter a team into Worlds in these divisions would know where they stand; and so that they can have equal opportunities to conform to the selection criteria before any decisions are made. Charlie B-N From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Nov 19 01:37:13 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id BAA14088 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 01:19:21 GMT Received: from pathway.btX400.co.uk (pathway.btX400.co.uk [193.113.148.3]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id BAA14048; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 01:19:09 GMT X400-Originator: COLIN.WAGSTAFF@TRADEINDEMNITY.btX400.co.uk X400-Recipients: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk , britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk X400-MTS-Identifier: [/PRMD=BT-INTERNET/ADMD=BT/C=GB/;0000430003497273000002L332] X400-Content-Type: P2-1988 (22) Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 16:52:00 +0000 From: WAGSTAFF COLIN To: ", DDA.RFC-822:britdisc(a)csv.warwick.ac.uk, P:BT-INTERNET, A:BT" , ", DDA.RFC-822:britdisc-owner(a)csv.warwick.ac.uk, P:BT-INTERNET" Subject: RE:Indoor injurys Message-ID: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Indoors? 'Laying out' is all about technique whether indoors or out and you're right a lot of people get injured 'laying out' indoors but if you do it correct and with style you will (probably) not get injured. There are other aspects of the indoor game which make it dangerous, especially in the halls in the UK. (e.g. walls, quality of floor, the opposition etc). Colin. UTI. National Indoor Champions I damaged my knee in the final at this years Indoors 'laying out' and subsequently suffered throughout the whole of the Outdoor season, especially at Worlds. Schmindoors,Scmhoutdoors or even Schmeach Ultimate, who cares just play. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Nov 19 09:21:19 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id JAA27804 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 09:06:22 GMT Received: from [137.205.222.1] (mac-wie-31 [137.205.222.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA27792 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 09:06:20 GMT X-Sender: serai@mail.csv.warwick.ac.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <0002B6D5.CE21337@watsonwyatt.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 09:09:18 +0000 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: Dave Neilson Subject: Re: Indoor injurys Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk >Wayne Retter >played indoors, will do again >only ever broken bones through playing Outdoor Ultimate HISTORY ... I have amassed about six 'boney' injuries (plus a handful of soft tissue tears) all while playing Ultimate ... admittedly over a seventeen year (and counting) playing career! Of these, only one break has been sustained indoors (plus the odd ankle re-injury) and this occurred when another player landed awkwardly on my forearm, snapping both radius and ulna :-Ouch! ... LESSONS As well as playing throughout the summer, I have played indoors at some point each winter season, and I suppose my key observation about injury avoidance is 'awareness'. I have a healthy respect for my own frail body as well as those more frail than mine - but I have also come to learn that no matter how careful I am about making that split-second decision: "Go for glory, or survive another game without injury?" and choosing the right answer, there are always players much more robust than myself who might have their own ideas! An experienced driver once told me that the secret to being a GOOD driver was not merely to drive well in all situations, but to make allowances for those who are NOT driving well! The tail-piece has to be my old hobby horse about education and example: its great to encourage new players to learn how to layout and to decide when is the right time to do it, BUT it is even more important that newbies are continually reminded about their responsibility for the safety of others (as well as themselves)! Be careful out there (or 'in' there as the case may be), Sam Neilson PS No! My metal forearm does NOT set off the alarms at airports ;-( From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Nov 19 10:05:04 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id JAA06729 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 09:44:48 GMT Received: from nadnl8.net.bae.co.uk (cedar.bae.co.uk [141.245.40.230]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA06694; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 09:44:41 GMT From: farhad.saidieh@bae.co.uk Received: (from daemon@localhost) by nadnl8.net.bae.co.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id JAA23318; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 09:45:48 GMT Received: from nadnnb.net.bae.co.uk (141.245.41.144) by BAe-Internet1 via CSC. ID xai023184; Thu, 19 Nov 98 09:45:15 GMT Received: from nadcu7.net.bae.co.uk (unverified) by nadnnb.net.bae.co.uk (Content Technologies SMTPRS 2.0.15) with ESMTP id ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 09:53:38 +0000 Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by nadcu7.net.bae.co.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id JAA15731; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 09:42:06 GMT X-OpenMail-Hops: 7 Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 08:34:53 +0000 X-OpenMail-Transport-Id: Message-Id: <"/GUID:2C8E80AE637FD21188C70008C728E966*_"@MHS> Subject: Indoor MIME-Version: 1.0 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk, britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk, COLIN.WAGSTAFF@TRADEINDEMNITY.btX400.co.uk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk What is going on? Regarding playing indoors who thinks they can dictate what should be done or not? If I want to play indoors, or out its up to me and no one else. It also applies to how I want to play. I may want to play on an ice skating ring. Is some one going to come and tell me I'm not allowed? Has any one heard of freedom of choice or is it now just fashionable lingo. Farhad Saidieh From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Nov 19 11:26:54 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id LAA03382 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 11:12:16 GMT Received: from exchpk02.chelt.ac.uk (exchpk02.chelt.ac.uk [194.66.194.6]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA03370 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 11:12:14 GMT Received: by exchpk02.chelt.ac.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 11:12:02 -0000 Message-ID: <8102C4585310D211858D0060B01A41330A3994@exchpk02.chelt.ac.uk> From: "HUGHES, Chris" To: "'Britdisc'" Subject: Schmastroturf Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 11:12:01 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk [CW] Schmindoors,Scmhoutdoors or even Schmeach Ultimate, who cares just play. [CH] Lets face those who want to play do - and will play any where. It has been shown, (and I can produce data to prove it) that the sports surface that will cause the greatest number of serious joint injuries (mainly at the knee) is astro-turf because it is so grippy; and is prepared to grip any part of the body that it comes into contact with, including all the fleshy parts when you layout (and then there's the sand). How many people have played on astro - been halfway through setting up a dive, and then thought to yourself - bad idea. Chris From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Nov 19 11:31:16 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id LAA08922 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 11:28:16 GMT Received: from shrimp.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (ralf@shrimp [137.205.227.130]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA08904 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 11:28:13 GMT Received: (from ralf@localhost) by shrimp.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id LAA03446 for britdisc@csv; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 11:28:12 GMT From: Ralf Message-Id: <199811191128.LAA03446@shrimp.dcs.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: World Ultimate Magazine To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 11:28:11 +0000 (GMT) Reply-To: Ben.Ravilious@crispgroup.co.uk X-Quote: "The day Microsoft makes something that doesn't suck is probably the day they start making vacuum cleaners" - Ernst Jan Plugge X-Quote: "Why is it the world never remembers the name of Johann Gambolputty de von Ausfer-schplenden-schlitter-crasscrenbon-fried-digger-dingle- dangle-dongle-dungle-burstlin-von-knacker-thrasher-apple-banger- horowitz-tycolensic-grander-knotty-spelltinkle-kurtstlicht- himbleeisen-bahnwagen-guttenabend-bitte-ein-nurnburger-bratwustle- gerspurten-mitz-weimach-luber-hundsgut-gumberaber-shonendanker- kalksfleisch-mittler-auchler von Hautkopft of Ulm?" X-Freedom: 62 days... X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL35 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk ----- Forwarded message from owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk ----- From: Ben Ravilious To: "'Britdisc'" Subject: RE: World Ultimate Magazine Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 12:54:19 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Info: Crisp Computing Mail Server Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id MAA15530 If anyone wants to subscribe (caution - they've only managed two issues in as many years! - its supposed to be quarterly) email Dave Brown, the editor: davebrown@worldultimate.com Its actually a very good magazine though I gather there is a certain amount of trouble with getting contributions (deja vu?). Ben -----Original Message----- From: Paul Unwin (Grantham College) [SMTP:punwin@grantham.ac.uk] Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 1998 11:34 AM To: Ben Ravilious Subject: RE: World Ultimate Magazine Ben how do you get hold of a copy? pu ---------- From: Ben Ravilious To: 'Britdisc' Subject: World Ultimate Magazine Date: 17 November 1998 10:50 I got the 'Spring 98' edition (No. 2) of World Ultimate Magazine in the post this morning - it seems Dave Brown has pulled his finger out at last. Anyone else received a copy today? Ben ----- End of forwarded message from owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk ----- ____ ____ _ _ ____ .----------------------------------------. _\__ \ _\__ \ / \ / \\__/ | Ranulf Doswell | / \_/ /_ / \_/ \ / / / /___ | Department of Computer Science | \ __ \\ __ \\ \ _\ \\_/ |University of Warwick, COVENTRY, CV4 7AL| \ \ \ \\ \ \ \\ \__/ \\ \ | Phone: 01203 523296 Fax: 01203 525714 | \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \______/ \_/ `----------------------------------------' From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Nov 19 16:40:20 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id QAA15176 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 16:21:36 GMT Received: from framestore.sohonet.co.uk (framestore1.sohonet.co.uk [193.203.80.44] (may be forged)) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA15156 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 16:21:31 GMT Received: (from smap@localhost) by framestore.sohonet.co.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id QAA13448 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 16:18:06 GMT Received: from london.fs.local( 192.168.2.150) by framestore.sohonet.co.uk via smap (V2.0) id xma013436; Thu, 19 Nov 98 16:17:40 GMT Received: from framestore.co.uk (engpc2.fs.local [192.168.1.23]) by london.fs.local (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id AAA4FC4 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 16:17:39 +0000 Message-ID: <365445CA.5645D209@framestore.co.uk> Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 16:22:34 +0000 From: "Sean Holden" Organization: framestore X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Re: Indoor References: <"/GUID:2C8E80AE637FD21188C70008C728E966*_"@MHS> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Now, Ultimate whilst Ice Skating, that's an idea. Maybe we could do a one day charity event on Ice. Think of the ground you will cover laying out. Sean farhad.saidieh@bae.co.uk wrote: > What is going on? > Regarding playing indoors who thinks they can dictate what should be done or not? > > If I want to play indoors, or out its up to me and no one else. It also applies to how I want to play. > > I may want to play on an ice skating ring. Is some one going to come and tell me I'm not allowed? > > Has any one heard of freedom of choice or is it now just fashionable lingo. > > Farhad Saidieh From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Nov 19 17:44:51 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id RAA08942 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 17:31:28 GMT Received: from larry.texcel.co.uk (larry.texcel.co.uk [195.40.103.11]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA08926 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 17:31:24 GMT Received: from dreamer.demon.co.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by larry.texcel.co.uk (8.8.8/8.7.1) with ESMTP id RAA28801; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 17:31:15 GMT Message-ID: <365455E2.1FECF088@dreamer.demon.co.uk> Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 17:31:14 +0000 From: Neil Travers Organization: Home(ish) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.5 sun4d) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Subject: Re: Indoor References: <"/GUID:2C8E80AE637FD21188C70008C728E966*_"@MHS> <365445CA.5645D209@framestore.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Sean Holden wrote: > Now, Ultimate whilst Ice Skating, that's an idea. Maybe we could do a one > day charity event on Ice. Think of the ground you will cover laying out. Hmmm, footblocks might have to be banned though and what constitutes a travel? I have heard of a version of Ultimate on bikes, and they were not allowed to peddle while holding the disc. Can't see an equivalent for skates. -- Neil Travers From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Nov 19 18:06:05 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id RAA14890 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 17:52:09 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA14869 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 17:52:07 GMT Received: from [212.228.27.73] (helo=oregan.net) by post.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.053 #1) id 0zgY6X-0000qe-00; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 17:42:53 +0000 Message-ID: <36545938.37E54B87@oregan.net> Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 17:45:28 +0000 From: Adam Bennett Organization: Oregan Networks X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en,zh-TW,zh-CN,ja,en-GB,de-DE MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sean Holden CC: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Ultimate in geo-stationary orbit - that's a new spin :-) References: <"/GUID:2C8E80AE637FD21188C70008C728E966*_"@MHS> <365445CA.5645D209@framestore.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Sean Holden wrote: > > Now, Ultimate whilst Ice Skating, that's an idea. Maybe we could do a one > day charity event on Ice. Think of the ground you will cover laying out. Cool! But think of the armour you will need to survive :-( Just over a year ago, hearing that I was obsessed with spinning plastic disks, somebody actually tried to get me to help them organise Ultimate on Mountainbikes, believe it or not. I failed to see the inherant danger of such a pursuit( one of my traits ) until it was too late. One poor girl was concussed for some weeks. I'm quite sure it won't put her off a bit, though. Try anything once, eh? Jabba. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Nov 19 18:08:02 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id RAA15931 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 17:55:58 GMT Received: from Aqualisa.co.uk (host1.aqualisa.u-net.com [195.102.126.130]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id RAA15906 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 17:55:53 GMT Received: from notes ([195.102.126.130]) by Aqualisa.co.uk (Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) with SMTP id 802566C1.00621DE7; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 17:51:42 +0000 Envelope-to: Colin.Mountford@Aqualisa.co.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 17:51:59 +0000 Received: from (pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk) [137.205.192.19] by mserv1a.u-net.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zgYFK-0003g8-00; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 17:51:58 +0000 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id QAA15176 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 16:21:36 GMT Received: from framestore.sohonet.co.uk (framestore1.sohonet.co.uk [193.203.80.44] (may be forged)) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA15156 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 16:21:31 GMT Received: (from smap@localhost) by framestore.sohonet.co.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id QAA13448 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 16:18:06 GMT Received: from london.fs.local( 192.168.2.150) by framestore.sohonet.co.uk via smap (V2.0) id xma013436; Thu, 19 Nov 98 16:17:40 GMT Received: from framestore.co.uk (engpc2.fs.local [192.168.1.23]) by london.fs.local (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id AAA4FC4 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 16:17:39 +0000 Message-ID: <365445CA.5645D209@framestore.co.uk> Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 16:22:34 +0000 From: "Sean Holden" Organization: framestore X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Re: Indoor References: <"/GUID:2C8E80AE637FD21188C70008C728E966*_"@MHS> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Now, Ultimate whilst Ice Skating, that's an idea. Maybe we could do a one day charity event on Ice. Think of the ground you will cover laying out. Sean farhad.saidieh@bae.co.uk wrote: > What is going on? > Regarding playing indoors who thinks they can dictate what should be done or not? > > If I want to play indoors, or out its up to me and no one else. It also applies to how I want to play. > > I may want to play on an ice skating ring. Is some one going to come and tell me I'm not allowed? > > Has any one heard of freedom of choice or is it now just fashionable lingo. > > Farhad Saidieh From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Nov 19 18:08:05 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id RAA15557 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 17:54:30 GMT Received: from postcard.KSCL.COM (postcard.kscl.com [194.159.98.2]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA15543 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 17:54:26 GMT Received: by POSTCARD.kscl.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 17:54:57 -0000 Message-ID: From: Fraser Macrae To: "'britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk'" Subject: RE: Indoor Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 17:53:17 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Ice Ultimate is already played in some parts of Canada. This version is full contact with points scored by bouncing the disc off the ice into an ice hockey net. Not exactly pure ultimate but then neither is indoors! Fraser Sneeeky's ---------- From: Sean Holden [SMTP:sean.holden@framestore.co.uk] Sent: 19 November 1998 16:23 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Re: Indoor Now, Ultimate whilst Ice Skating, that's an idea. Maybe we could do a one day charity event on Ice. Think of the ground you will cover laying out. Sean farhad.saidieh@bae.co.uk wrote: > What is going on? > Regarding playing indoors who thinks they can dictate what should be done or not? > > If I want to play indoors, or out its up to me and no one else. It also applies to how I want to play. > > I may want to play on an ice skating ring. Is some one going to come and tell me I'm not allowed? > > Has any one heard of freedom of choice or is it now just fashionable lingo. > > Farhad Saidieh From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Nov 19 19:00:38 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id SAA29008 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 18:45:49 GMT Received: from Aqualisa.co.uk (host1.aqualisa.u-net.com [195.102.126.130]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id SAA28985 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 18:45:44 GMT Received: from notes ([195.102.126.130]) by Aqualisa.co.uk (Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) with SMTP id 802566C1.0066B1A0; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 18:41:41 +0000 Envelope-to: Colin.Mountford@Aqualisa.co.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 18:41:10 +0000 Received: from (pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk) [137.205.192.19] by mserv1b.u-net.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zgZ0w-0005VW-00; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 18:41:10 +0000 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id RAA08942 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 17:31:28 GMT Received: from larry.texcel.co.uk (larry.texcel.co.uk [195.40.103.11]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA08926 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 17:31:24 GMT Received: from dreamer.demon.co.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by larry.texcel.co.uk (8.8.8/8.7.1) with ESMTP id RAA28801; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 17:31:15 GMT Message-ID: <365455E2.1FECF088@dreamer.demon.co.uk> Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 17:31:14 +0000 From: Neil Travers Organization: Home(ish) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.5 sun4d) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Subject: Re: Indoor References: <"/GUID:2C8E80AE637FD21188C70008C728E966*_"@MHS> <365445CA.5645D209@framestore.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Sean Holden wrote: > Now, Ultimate whilst Ice Skating, that's an idea. Maybe we could do a one > day charity event on Ice. Think of the ground you will cover laying out. Hmmm, footblocks might have to be banned though and what constitutes a travel? I have heard of a version of Ultimate on bikes, and they were not allowed to peddle while holding the disc. Can't see an equivalent for skates. -- Neil Travers From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Nov 19 19:01:46 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id SAA01674 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 18:56:36 GMT Received: from Aqualisa.co.uk (host1.aqualisa.u-net.com [195.102.126.130]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id SAA01575 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 18:56:11 GMT Received: from notes ([195.102.126.130]) by Aqualisa.co.uk (Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) with SMTP id 802566C1.00679C88; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 18:51:43 +0000 Envelope-to: Colin.Mountford@Aqualisa.co.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 18:51:49 +0000 Received: from (pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk) [137.205.192.19] by mserv1b.u-net.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zgZBE-0006Ko-00; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 18:51:48 +0000 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id RAA15557 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 17:54:30 GMT Received: from postcard.KSCL.COM (postcard.kscl.com [194.159.98.2]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA15543 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 17:54:26 GMT Received: by POSTCARD.kscl.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 17:54:57 -0000 Message-ID: From: Fraser Macrae To: "'britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk'" Subject: RE: Indoor Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 17:53:17 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Ice Ultimate is already played in some parts of Canada. This version is full contact with points scored by bouncing the disc off the ice into an ice hockey net. Not exactly pure ultimate but then neither is indoors! Fraser Sneeeky's ---------- From: Sean Holden [SMTP:sean.holden@framestore.co.uk] Sent: 19 November 1998 16:23 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Re: Indoor Now, Ultimate whilst Ice Skating, that's an idea. Maybe we could do a one day charity event on Ice. Think of the ground you will cover laying out. Sean farhad.saidieh@bae.co.uk wrote: > What is going on? > Regarding playing indoors who thinks they can dictate what should be done or not? > > If I want to play indoors, or out its up to me and no one else. It also applies to how I want to play. > > I may want to play on an ice skating ring. Is some one going to come and tell me I'm not allowed? > > Has any one heard of freedom of choice or is it now just fashionable lingo. > > Farhad Saidieh From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Nov 19 19:10:44 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id TAA02979 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 19:01:45 GMT Received: from framestore.sohonet.co.uk (framestore1.sohonet.co.uk [193.203.80.44] (may be forged)) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA02956 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 19:01:41 GMT Received: (from smap@localhost) by framestore.sohonet.co.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA14048 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 18:58:16 GMT Received: from london.fs.local( 192.168.2.150) by framestore.sohonet.co.uk via smap (V2.0) id xma014044; Thu, 19 Nov 98 18:58:05 GMT Received: from framestore.co.uk (engpc2.fs.local [192.168.1.23]) by london.fs.local (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id AAA564F; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 18:58:04 +0000 Message-ID: <36546B63.C906AB7E@framestore.co.uk> Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 19:02:59 +0000 From: "Sean Holden" Organization: framestore X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Neil Travers CC: britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Subject: Re: Indoor References: <"/GUID:2C8E80AE637FD21188C70008C728E966*_"@MHS> <365445CA.5645D209@framestore.co.uk> <365455E2.1FECF088@dreamer.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Good point, but I'm sure as long as you are upright and not falling arse over tit that would be good enough, after all, the suggestion was only for charity. Mind you, maybe we should try bicycles on ice, you'll need special spiked tyres. That way you could use the peddling rule. Sean Neil Travers wrote: > Sean Holden wrote: > > Now, Ultimate whilst Ice Skating, that's an idea. Maybe we could do a one > > day charity event on Ice. Think of the ground you will cover laying out. > > Hmmm, footblocks might have to be banned though > > and what constitutes a travel? I have heard of a version of Ultimate on > bikes, and they were not allowed to peddle while holding the disc. > Can't see an equivalent for skates. > > -- > Neil Travers From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Nov 19 19:27:41 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id TAA06084 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 19:15:58 GMT Received: from Aqualisa.co.uk (host1.aqualisa.u-net.com [195.102.126.130]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id TAA06071 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 19:15:55 GMT Received: from notes ([195.102.126.130]) by Aqualisa.co.uk (Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) with SMTP id 802566C1.006970F1; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 19:11:42 +0000 Envelope-to: Colin.Mountford@Aqualisa.co.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 19:02:43 +0000 Received: from (pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk) [137.205.192.19] by mserv1b.u-net.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zgZLn-00071e-00; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 19:02:43 +0000 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id RAA15931 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 17:55:58 GMT Received: from Aqualisa.co.uk (host1.aqualisa.u-net.com [195.102.126.130]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id RAA15906 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 17:55:53 GMT Received: from notes ([195.102.126.130]) by Aqualisa.co.uk (Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) with SMTP id 802566C1.00621DE7; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 17:51:42 +0000 Received: from (pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk) [137.205.192.19] by mserv1a.u-net.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zgYFK-0003g8-00; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 17:51:58 +0000 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id QAA15176 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 16:21:36 GMT Received: from framestore.sohonet.co.uk (framestore1.sohonet.co.uk [193.203.80.44] (may be forged)) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA15156 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 16:21:31 GMT Received: (from smap@localhost) by framestore.sohonet.co.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id QAA13448 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 16:18:06 GMT Received: from london.fs.local( 192.168.2.150) by framestore.sohonet.co.uk via smap (V2.0) id xma013436; Thu, 19 Nov 98 16:17:40 GMT Received: from framestore.co.uk (engpc2.fs.local [192.168.1.23]) by london.fs.local (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id AAA4FC4 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 16:17:39 +0000 Message-ID: <365445CA.5645D209@framestore.co.uk> Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 16:22:34 +0000 From: "Sean Holden" Organization: framestore X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Re: Indoor References: <"/GUID:2C8E80AE637FD21188C70008C728E966*_"@MHS> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Now, Ultimate whilst Ice Skating, that's an idea. Maybe we could do a one day charity event on Ice. Think of the ground you will cover laying out. Sean farhad.saidieh@bae.co.uk wrote: > What is going on? > Regarding playing indoors who thinks they can dictate what should be done or not? > > If I want to play indoors, or out its up to me and no one else. It also applies to how I want to play. > > I may want to play on an ice skating ring. Is some one going to come and tell me I'm not allowed? > > Has any one heard of freedom of choice or is it now just fashionable lingo. > > Farhad Saidieh From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Nov 19 19:30:25 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id TAA08977 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 19:28:41 GMT Received: from imo26.mx.aol.com (imo26.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.70]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA08951 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 19:28:37 GMT From: Chuckaway@aol.com Received: from Chuckaway@aol.com by imo26.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id IIIBa16324 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 14:27:55 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <7e0d61e9.3654713b@aol.com> Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 14:27:55 EST To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Request for BUF constitution Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0.i for Windows sub 166 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Ben, Sorry to write to you via Britdisc, I don't think I have your e-mail. Could you please send me a copy of the BUF constitution. Thanks, Charlie From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Nov 19 20:09:22 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id TAA15225 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 19:55:58 GMT Received: from Aqualisa.co.uk (host1.aqualisa.u-net.com [195.102.126.130]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id TAA15217 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 19:55:56 GMT Received: from notes ([195.102.126.130]) by Aqualisa.co.uk (Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) with SMTP id 802566C1.006D1A80; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 19:51:42 +0000 Envelope-to: Colin.Mountford@Aqualisa.co.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 19:53:15 +0000 Received: from (pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk) [137.205.192.19] by mserv1a.u-net.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zga8h-0001d2-00; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 19:53:15 +0000 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id SAA29008 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 18:45:49 GMT Received: from Aqualisa.co.uk (host1.aqualisa.u-net.com [195.102.126.130]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id SAA28985 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 18:45:44 GMT Received: from notes ([195.102.126.130]) by Aqualisa.co.uk (Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) with SMTP id 802566C1.0066B1A0; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 18:41:41 +0000 Received: from (pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk) [137.205.192.19] by mserv1b.u-net.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zgZ0w-0005VW-00; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 18:41:10 +0000 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id RAA08942 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 17:31:28 GMT Received: from larry.texcel.co.uk (larry.texcel.co.uk [195.40.103.11]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA08926 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 17:31:24 GMT Received: from dreamer.demon.co.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by larry.texcel.co.uk (8.8.8/8.7.1) with ESMTP id RAA28801; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 17:31:15 GMT Message-ID: <365455E2.1FECF088@dreamer.demon.co.uk> Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 17:31:14 +0000 From: Neil Travers Organization: Home(ish) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.5 sun4d) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Subject: Re: Indoor References: <"/GUID:2C8E80AE637FD21188C70008C728E966*_"@MHS> <365445CA.5645D209@framestore.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Sean Holden wrote: > Now, Ultimate whilst Ice Skating, that's an idea. Maybe we could do a one > day charity event on Ice. Think of the ground you will cover laying out. Hmmm, footblocks might have to be banned though and what constitutes a travel? I have heard of a version of Ultimate on bikes, and they were not allowed to peddle while holding the disc. Can't see an equivalent for skates. -- Neil Travers From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Nov 19 20:09:30 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id TAA15233 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 19:55:59 GMT Received: from Aqualisa.co.uk (host1.aqualisa.u-net.com [195.102.126.130]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id TAA15224 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 19:55:57 GMT Received: from notes ([195.102.126.130]) by Aqualisa.co.uk (Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) with SMTP id 802566C1.006D1B0C; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 19:51:43 +0000 Envelope-to: Colin.Mountford@Aqualisa.co.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 19:53:41 +0000 Received: from (pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk) [137.205.192.19] by mserv1a.u-net.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zga96-0001eA-00; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 19:53:40 +0000 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id SAA01674 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 18:56:36 GMT Received: from Aqualisa.co.uk (host1.aqualisa.u-net.com [195.102.126.130]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id SAA01575 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 18:56:11 GMT Received: from notes ([195.102.126.130]) by Aqualisa.co.uk (Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) with SMTP id 802566C1.00679C88; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 18:51:43 +0000 Received: from (pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk) [137.205.192.19] by mserv1b.u-net.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zgZBE-0006Ko-00; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 18:51:48 +0000 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id RAA15557 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 17:54:30 GMT Received: from postcard.KSCL.COM (postcard.kscl.com [194.159.98.2]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA15543 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 17:54:26 GMT Received: by POSTCARD.kscl.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 17:54:57 -0000 Message-ID: From: Fraser Macrae To: "'britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk'" Subject: RE: Indoor Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 17:53:17 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Ice Ultimate is already played in some parts of Canada. This version is full contact with points scored by bouncing the disc off the ice into an ice hockey net. Not exactly pure ultimate but then neither is indoors! Fraser Sneeeky's ---------- From: Sean Holden [SMTP:sean.holden@framestore.co.uk] Sent: 19 November 1998 16:23 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Re: Indoor Now, Ultimate whilst Ice Skating, that's an idea. Maybe we could do a one day charity event on Ice. Think of the ground you will cover laying out. Sean farhad.saidieh@bae.co.uk wrote: > What is going on? > Regarding playing indoors who thinks they can dictate what should be done or not? > > If I want to play indoors, or out its up to me and no one else. It also applies to how I want to play. > > I may want to play on an ice skating ring. Is some one going to come and tell me I'm not allowed? > > Has any one heard of freedom of choice or is it now just fashionable lingo. > > Farhad Saidieh From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Nov 19 20:39:50 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id UAA21740 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 20:25:52 GMT Received: from Aqualisa.co.uk (host1.aqualisa.u-net.com [195.102.126.130]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id UAA21714 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 20:25:46 GMT Received: from notes ([195.102.126.130]) by Aqualisa.co.uk (Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) with SMTP id 802566C1.006FDA85; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 20:21:44 +0000 Envelope-to: Colin.Mountford@Aqualisa.co.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 20:17:32 +0000 Received: from (pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk) [137.205.192.19] by mserv1a.u-net.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zgaWC-0002gm-00; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 20:17:32 +0000 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id TAA06084 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 19:15:58 GMT Received: from Aqualisa.co.uk (host1.aqualisa.u-net.com [195.102.126.130]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id TAA06071 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 19:15:55 GMT Received: from notes ([195.102.126.130]) by Aqualisa.co.uk (Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) with SMTP id 802566C1.006970F1; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 19:11:42 +0000 Received: from (pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk) [137.205.192.19] by mserv1b.u-net.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zgZLn-00071e-00; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 19:02:43 +0000 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id RAA15931 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 17:55:58 GMT Received: from Aqualisa.co.uk (host1.aqualisa.u-net.com [195.102.126.130]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id RAA15906 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 17:55:53 GMT Received: from notes ([195.102.126.130]) by Aqualisa.co.uk (Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) with SMTP id 802566C1.00621DE7; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 17:51:42 +0000 Received: from (pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk) [137.205.192.19] by mserv1a.u-net.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zgYFK-0003g8-00; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 17:51:58 +0000 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id QAA15176 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 16:21:36 GMT Received: from framestore.sohonet.co.uk (framestore1.sohonet.co.uk [193.203.80.44] (may be forged)) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA15156 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 16:21:31 GMT Received: (from smap@localhost) by framestore.sohonet.co.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id QAA13448 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 16:18:06 GMT Received: from london.fs.local( 192.168.2.150) by framestore.sohonet.co.uk via smap (V2.0) id xma013436; Thu, 19 Nov 98 16:17:40 GMT Received: from framestore.co.uk (engpc2.fs.local [192.168.1.23]) by london.fs.local (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id AAA4FC4 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 16:17:39 +0000 Message-ID: <365445CA.5645D209@framestore.co.uk> Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 16:22:34 +0000 From: "Sean Holden" Organization: framestore X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Re: Indoor References: <"/GUID:2C8E80AE637FD21188C70008C728E966*_"@MHS> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Now, Ultimate whilst Ice Skating, that's an idea. Maybe we could do a one day charity event on Ice. Think of the ground you will cover laying out. Sean farhad.saidieh@bae.co.uk wrote: > What is going on? > Regarding playing indoors who thinks they can dictate what should be done or not? > > If I want to play indoors, or out its up to me and no one else. It also applies to how I want to play. > > I may want to play on an ice skating ring. Is some one going to come and tell me I'm not allowed? > > Has any one heard of freedom of choice or is it now just fashionable lingo. > > Farhad Saidieh From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Nov 19 20:40:12 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id UAA21739 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 20:25:52 GMT Received: from Aqualisa.co.uk (host1.aqualisa.u-net.com [195.102.126.130]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id UAA21717 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 20:25:48 GMT From: Chuckaway@aol.com Received: from notes ([195.102.126.130]) by Aqualisa.co.uk (Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) with SMTP id 802566C1.006FD9F9; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 20:21:43 +0000 Envelope-to: Colin.Mountford@Aqualisa.co.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 20:17:19 +0000 Received: from (pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk) [137.205.192.19] by mserv1a.u-net.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zgaVz-0002g5-00; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 20:17:19 +0000 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id TAA08977 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 19:28:41 GMT Received: from imo26.mx.aol.com (imo26.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.70]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA08951 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 19:28:37 GMT Received: from Chuckaway@aol.com by imo26.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id IIIBa16324 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 14:27:55 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <7e0d61e9.3654713b@aol.com> Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 14:27:55 EST To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Request for BUF constitution Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0.i for Windows sub 166 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Ben, Sorry to write to you via Britdisc, I don't think I have your e-mail. Could you please send me a copy of the BUF constitution. Thanks, Charlie From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Nov 19 21:10:30 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id UAA27335 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 20:55:49 GMT Received: from Aqualisa.co.uk (host1.aqualisa.u-net.com [195.102.126.130]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id UAA27320 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 20:55:46 GMT Received: from notes ([195.102.126.130]) by Aqualisa.co.uk (Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) with SMTP id 802566C1.00729986; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 20:51:44 +0000 Envelope-to: Colin.Mountford@Aqualisa.co.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 20:44:08 +0000 Received: from (pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk) [137.205.192.19] by mserv1b.u-net.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zgavw-000633-00; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 20:44:08 +0000 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id TAA15233 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 19:55:59 GMT Received: from Aqualisa.co.uk (host1.aqualisa.u-net.com [195.102.126.130]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id TAA15224 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 19:55:57 GMT Received: from notes ([195.102.126.130]) by Aqualisa.co.uk (Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) with SMTP id 802566C1.006D1B0C; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 19:51:43 +0000 Received: from (pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk) [137.205.192.19] by mserv1a.u-net.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zga96-0001eA-00; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 19:53:40 +0000 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id SAA01674 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 18:56:36 GMT Received: from Aqualisa.co.uk (host1.aqualisa.u-net.com [195.102.126.130]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id SAA01575 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 18:56:11 GMT Received: from notes ([195.102.126.130]) by Aqualisa.co.uk (Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) with SMTP id 802566C1.00679C88; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 18:51:43 +0000 Received: from (pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk) [137.205.192.19] by mserv1b.u-net.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zgZBE-0006Ko-00; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 18:51:48 +0000 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id RAA15557 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 17:54:30 GMT Received: from postcard.KSCL.COM (postcard.kscl.com [194.159.98.2]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA15543 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 17:54:26 GMT Received: by POSTCARD.kscl.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 17:54:57 -0000 Message-ID: From: Fraser Macrae To: "'britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk'" Subject: RE: Indoor Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 17:53:17 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Ice Ultimate is already played in some parts of Canada. This version is full contact with points scored by bouncing the disc off the ice into an ice hockey net. Not exactly pure ultimate but then neither is indoors! Fraser Sneeeky's ---------- From: Sean Holden [SMTP:sean.holden@framestore.co.uk] Sent: 19 November 1998 16:23 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Re: Indoor Now, Ultimate whilst Ice Skating, that's an idea. Maybe we could do a one day charity event on Ice. Think of the ground you will cover laying out. Sean farhad.saidieh@bae.co.uk wrote: > What is going on? > Regarding playing indoors who thinks they can dictate what should be done or not? > > If I want to play indoors, or out its up to me and no one else. It also applies to how I want to play. > > I may want to play on an ice skating ring. Is some one going to come and tell me I'm not allowed? > > Has any one heard of freedom of choice or is it now just fashionable lingo. > > Farhad Saidieh From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Nov 19 21:10:49 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id UAA27328 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 20:55:47 GMT Received: from Aqualisa.co.uk (host1.aqualisa.u-net.com [195.102.126.130]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id UAA27313 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 20:55:44 GMT Received: from notes ([195.102.126.130]) by Aqualisa.co.uk (Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) with SMTP id 802566C1.007298FA; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 20:51:42 +0000 Envelope-to: Colin.Mountford@Aqualisa.co.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 20:43:48 +0000 Received: from (pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk) [137.205.192.19] by mserv1b.u-net.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zgavc-00061u-00; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 20:43:48 +0000 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id TAA15225 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 19:55:58 GMT Received: from Aqualisa.co.uk (host1.aqualisa.u-net.com [195.102.126.130]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id TAA15217 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 19:55:56 GMT Received: from notes ([195.102.126.130]) by Aqualisa.co.uk (Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) with SMTP id 802566C1.006D1A80; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 19:51:42 +0000 Received: from (pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk) [137.205.192.19] by mserv1a.u-net.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zga8h-0001d2-00; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 19:53:15 +0000 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id SAA29008 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 18:45:49 GMT Received: from Aqualisa.co.uk (host1.aqualisa.u-net.com [195.102.126.130]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id SAA28985 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 18:45:44 GMT Received: from notes ([195.102.126.130]) by Aqualisa.co.uk (Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) with SMTP id 802566C1.0066B1A0; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 18:41:41 +0000 Received: from (pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk) [137.205.192.19] by mserv1b.u-net.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zgZ0w-0005VW-00; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 18:41:10 +0000 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id RAA08942 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 17:31:28 GMT Received: from larry.texcel.co.uk (larry.texcel.co.uk [195.40.103.11]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA08926 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 17:31:24 GMT Received: from dreamer.demon.co.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by larry.texcel.co.uk (8.8.8/8.7.1) with ESMTP id RAA28801; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 17:31:15 GMT Message-ID: <365455E2.1FECF088@dreamer.demon.co.uk> Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 17:31:14 +0000 From: Neil Travers Organization: Home(ish) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.5 sun4d) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Subject: Re: Indoor References: <"/GUID:2C8E80AE637FD21188C70008C728E966*_"@MHS> <365445CA.5645D209@framestore.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Sean Holden wrote: > Now, Ultimate whilst Ice Skating, that's an idea. Maybe we could do a one > day charity event on Ice. Think of the ground you will cover laying out. Hmmm, footblocks might have to be banned though and what constitutes a travel? I have heard of a version of Ultimate on bikes, and they were not allowed to peddle while holding the disc. Can't see an equivalent for skates. -- Neil Travers From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Nov 19 21:40:36 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id VAA02626 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 21:25:48 GMT Received: from Aqualisa.co.uk (host1.aqualisa.u-net.com [195.102.126.130]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id VAA02606 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 21:25:44 GMT Received: from notes ([195.102.126.130]) by Aqualisa.co.uk (Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) with SMTP id 802566C1.00755823; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 21:21:42 +0000 Envelope-to: Colin.Mountford@Aqualisa.co.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 21:22:29 +0000 Received: from (pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk) [137.205.192.19] by mserv1a.u-net.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zgbX3-0005Wm-00; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 21:22:29 +0000 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id UAA21740 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 20:25:52 GMT Received: from Aqualisa.co.uk (host1.aqualisa.u-net.com [195.102.126.130]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id UAA21714 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 20:25:46 GMT Received: from notes ([195.102.126.130]) by Aqualisa.co.uk (Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) with SMTP id 802566C1.006FDA85; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 20:21:44 +0000 Received: from (pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk) [137.205.192.19] by mserv1a.u-net.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zgaWC-0002gm-00; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 20:17:32 +0000 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id TAA06084 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 19:15:58 GMT Received: from Aqualisa.co.uk (host1.aqualisa.u-net.com [195.102.126.130]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id TAA06071 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 19:15:55 GMT Received: from notes ([195.102.126.130]) by Aqualisa.co.uk (Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) with SMTP id 802566C1.006970F1; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 19:11:42 +0000 Received: from (pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk) [137.205.192.19] by mserv1b.u-net.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zgZLn-00071e-00; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 19:02:43 +0000 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id RAA15931 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 17:55:58 GMT Received: from Aqualisa.co.uk (host1.aqualisa.u-net.com [195.102.126.130]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id RAA15906 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 17:55:53 GMT Received: from notes ([195.102.126.130]) by Aqualisa.co.uk (Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) with SMTP id 802566C1.00621DE7; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 17:51:42 +0000 Received: from (pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk) [137.205.192.19] by mserv1a.u-net.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zgYFK-0003g8-00; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 17:51:58 +0000 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id QAA15176 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 16:21:36 GMT Received: from framestore.sohonet.co.uk (framestore1.sohonet.co.uk [193.203.80.44] (may be forged)) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA15156 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 16:21:31 GMT Received: (from smap@localhost) by framestore.sohonet.co.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id QAA13448 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 16:18:06 GMT Received: from london.fs.local( 192.168.2.150) by framestore.sohonet.co.uk via smap (V2.0) id xma013436; Thu, 19 Nov 98 16:17:40 GMT Received: from framestore.co.uk (engpc2.fs.local [192.168.1.23]) by london.fs.local (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id AAA4FC4 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 16:17:39 +0000 Message-ID: <365445CA.5645D209@framestore.co.uk> Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 16:22:34 +0000 From: "Sean Holden" Organization: framestore X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Re: Indoor References: <"/GUID:2C8E80AE637FD21188C70008C728E966*_"@MHS> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Now, Ultimate whilst Ice Skating, that's an idea. Maybe we could do a one day charity event on Ice. Think of the ground you will cover laying out. Sean farhad.saidieh@bae.co.uk wrote: > What is going on? > Regarding playing indoors who thinks they can dictate what should be done or not? > > If I want to play indoors, or out its up to me and no one else. It also applies to how I want to play. > > I may want to play on an ice skating ring. Is some one going to come and tell me I'm not allowed? > > Has any one heard of freedom of choice or is it now just fashionable lingo. > > Farhad Saidieh From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Nov 19 21:40:52 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id VAA02623 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 21:25:47 GMT Received: from Aqualisa.co.uk (host1.aqualisa.u-net.com [195.102.126.130]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id VAA02604 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 21:25:43 GMT From: Chuckaway@aol.com Received: from notes ([195.102.126.130]) by Aqualisa.co.uk (Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) with SMTP id 802566C1.0075589B; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 21:21:44 +0000 Envelope-to: Colin.Mountford@Aqualisa.co.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 21:22:33 +0000 Received: from (pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk) [137.205.192.19] by mserv1a.u-net.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zgbX7-0005X0-00; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 21:22:33 +0000 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id UAA21739 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 20:25:52 GMT Received: from Aqualisa.co.uk (host1.aqualisa.u-net.com [195.102.126.130]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id UAA21717 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 20:25:48 GMT Received: from notes ([195.102.126.130]) by Aqualisa.co.uk (Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) with SMTP id 802566C1.006FD9F9; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 20:21:43 +0000 Received: from (pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk) [137.205.192.19] by mserv1a.u-net.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zgaVz-0002g5-00; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 20:17:19 +0000 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id TAA08977 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 19:28:41 GMT Received: from imo26.mx.aol.com (imo26.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.70]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA08951 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 19:28:37 GMT Received: from Chuckaway@aol.com by imo26.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id IIIBa16324 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 14:27:55 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <7e0d61e9.3654713b@aol.com> Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 14:27:55 EST To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Request for BUF constitution Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0.i for Windows sub 166 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Ben, Sorry to write to you via Britdisc, I don't think I have your e-mail. Could you please send me a copy of the BUF constitution. Thanks, Charlie From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Nov 19 22:20:59 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id WAA09462 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 22:05:48 GMT Received: from Aqualisa.co.uk (host1.aqualisa.u-net.com [195.102.126.130]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id WAA09440 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 22:05:44 GMT Received: from notes ([195.102.126.130]) by Aqualisa.co.uk (Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) with SMTP id 802566C1.00790266; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 22:01:44 +0000 Envelope-to: Colin.Mountford@Aqualisa.co.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 22:02:22 +0000 Received: from (pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk) [137.205.192.19] by mserv1b.u-net.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zgc9e-00038K-00; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 22:02:22 +0000 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id UAA27328 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 20:55:47 GMT Received: from Aqualisa.co.uk (host1.aqualisa.u-net.com [195.102.126.130]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id UAA27313 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 20:55:44 GMT Received: from notes ([195.102.126.130]) by Aqualisa.co.uk (Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) with SMTP id 802566C1.007298FA; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 20:51:42 +0000 Received: from (pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk) [137.205.192.19] by mserv1b.u-net.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zgavc-00061u-00; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 20:43:48 +0000 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id TAA15225 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 19:55:58 GMT Received: from Aqualisa.co.uk (host1.aqualisa.u-net.com [195.102.126.130]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id TAA15217 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 19:55:56 GMT Received: from notes ([195.102.126.130]) by Aqualisa.co.uk (Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) with SMTP id 802566C1.006D1A80; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 19:51:42 +0000 Received: from (pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk) [137.205.192.19] by mserv1a.u-net.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zga8h-0001d2-00; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 19:53:15 +0000 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id SAA29008 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 18:45:49 GMT Received: from Aqualisa.co.uk (host1.aqualisa.u-net.com [195.102.126.130]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id SAA28985 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 18:45:44 GMT Received: from notes ([195.102.126.130]) by Aqualisa.co.uk (Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) with SMTP id 802566C1.0066B1A0; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 18:41:41 +0000 Received: from (pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk) [137.205.192.19] by mserv1b.u-net.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zgZ0w-0005VW-00; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 18:41:10 +0000 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id RAA08942 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 17:31:28 GMT Received: from larry.texcel.co.uk (larry.texcel.co.uk [195.40.103.11]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA08926 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 17:31:24 GMT Received: from dreamer.demon.co.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by larry.texcel.co.uk (8.8.8/8.7.1) with ESMTP id RAA28801; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 17:31:15 GMT Message-ID: <365455E2.1FECF088@dreamer.demon.co.uk> Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 17:31:14 +0000 From: Neil Travers Organization: Home(ish) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.5 sun4d) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Subject: Re: Indoor References: <"/GUID:2C8E80AE637FD21188C70008C728E966*_"@MHS> <365445CA.5645D209@framestore.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Sean Holden wrote: > Now, Ultimate whilst Ice Skating, that's an idea. Maybe we could do a one > day charity event on Ice. Think of the ground you will cover laying out. Hmmm, footblocks might have to be banned though and what constitutes a travel? I have heard of a version of Ultimate on bikes, and they were not allowed to peddle while holding the disc. Can't see an equivalent for skates. -- Neil Travers From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Nov 19 22:21:33 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id WAA09474 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 22:05:49 GMT Received: from Aqualisa.co.uk (host1.aqualisa.u-net.com [195.102.126.130]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id WAA09449 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 22:05:46 GMT Received: from notes ([195.102.126.130]) by Aqualisa.co.uk (Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) with SMTP id 802566C1.007901DA; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 22:01:43 +0000 Envelope-to: Colin.Mountford@Aqualisa.co.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 21:53:49 +0000 Received: from (pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk) [137.205.192.19] by mserv1b.u-net.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zgc1N-0002dM-00; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 21:53:49 +0000 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id UAA27335 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 20:55:49 GMT Received: from Aqualisa.co.uk (host1.aqualisa.u-net.com [195.102.126.130]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id UAA27320 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 20:55:46 GMT Received: from notes ([195.102.126.130]) by Aqualisa.co.uk (Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) with SMTP id 802566C1.00729986; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 20:51:44 +0000 Received: from (pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk) [137.205.192.19] by mserv1b.u-net.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zgavw-000633-00; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 20:44:08 +0000 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id TAA15233 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 19:55:59 GMT Received: from Aqualisa.co.uk (host1.aqualisa.u-net.com [195.102.126.130]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id TAA15224 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 19:55:57 GMT Received: from notes ([195.102.126.130]) by Aqualisa.co.uk (Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) with SMTP id 802566C1.006D1B0C; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 19:51:43 +0000 Received: from (pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk) [137.205.192.19] by mserv1a.u-net.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zga96-0001eA-00; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 19:53:40 +0000 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id SAA01674 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 18:56:36 GMT Received: from Aqualisa.co.uk (host1.aqualisa.u-net.com [195.102.126.130]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id SAA01575 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 18:56:11 GMT Received: from notes ([195.102.126.130]) by Aqualisa.co.uk (Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) with SMTP id 802566C1.00679C88; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 18:51:43 +0000 Received: from (pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk) [137.205.192.19] by mserv1b.u-net.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zgZBE-0006Ko-00; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 18:51:48 +0000 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id RAA15557 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 17:54:30 GMT Received: from postcard.KSCL.COM (postcard.kscl.com [194.159.98.2]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA15543 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 17:54:26 GMT Received: by POSTCARD.kscl.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 17:54:57 -0000 Message-ID: From: Fraser Macrae To: "'britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk'" Subject: RE: Indoor Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 17:53:17 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Ice Ultimate is already played in some parts of Canada. This version is full contact with points scored by bouncing the disc off the ice into an ice hockey net. Not exactly pure ultimate but then neither is indoors! Fraser Sneeeky's ---------- From: Sean Holden [SMTP:sean.holden@framestore.co.uk] Sent: 19 November 1998 16:23 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Re: Indoor Now, Ultimate whilst Ice Skating, that's an idea. Maybe we could do a one day charity event on Ice. Think of the ground you will cover laying out. Sean farhad.saidieh@bae.co.uk wrote: > What is going on? > Regarding playing indoors who thinks they can dictate what should be done or not? > > If I want to play indoors, or out its up to me and no one else. It also applies to how I want to play. > > I may want to play on an ice skating ring. Is some one going to come and tell me I'm not allowed? > > Has any one heard of freedom of choice or is it now just fashionable lingo. > > Farhad Saidieh From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Nov 19 22:47:44 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id WAA14441 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 22:35:48 GMT Received: from Aqualisa.co.uk (host1.aqualisa.u-net.com [195.102.126.130]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id WAA14417 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 22:35:44 GMT From: Chuckaway@aol.com Received: from notes ([195.102.126.130]) by Aqualisa.co.uk (Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) with SMTP id 802566C1.007BC18F; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 22:31:45 +0000 Envelope-to: Colin.Mountford@Aqualisa.co.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 22:32:02 +0000 Received: from (pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk) [137.205.192.19] by mserv1a.u-net.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zgccM-0000UT-00; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 22:32:02 +0000 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id VAA02623 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 21:25:47 GMT Received: from Aqualisa.co.uk (host1.aqualisa.u-net.com [195.102.126.130]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id VAA02604 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 21:25:43 GMT Received: from notes ([195.102.126.130]) by Aqualisa.co.uk (Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) with SMTP id 802566C1.0075589B; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 21:21:44 +0000 Received: from (pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk) [137.205.192.19] by mserv1a.u-net.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zgbX7-0005X0-00; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 21:22:33 +0000 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id UAA21739 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 20:25:52 GMT Received: from Aqualisa.co.uk (host1.aqualisa.u-net.com [195.102.126.130]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id UAA21717 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 20:25:48 GMT Received: from notes ([195.102.126.130]) by Aqualisa.co.uk (Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) with SMTP id 802566C1.006FD9F9; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 20:21:43 +0000 Received: from (pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk) [137.205.192.19] by mserv1a.u-net.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zgaVz-0002g5-00; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 20:17:19 +0000 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id TAA08977 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 19:28:41 GMT Received: from imo26.mx.aol.com (imo26.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.70]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA08951 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 19:28:37 GMT Received: from Chuckaway@aol.com by imo26.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id IIIBa16324 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 14:27:55 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <7e0d61e9.3654713b@aol.com> Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 14:27:55 EST To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Request for BUF constitution Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0.i for Windows sub 166 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Ben, Sorry to write to you via Britdisc, I don't think I have your e-mail. Could you please send me a copy of the BUF constitution. Thanks, Charlie From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Nov 19 22:49:08 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id WAA14447 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 22:35:49 GMT Received: from Aqualisa.co.uk (host1.aqualisa.u-net.com [195.102.126.130]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id WAA14420 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 22:35:45 GMT Received: from notes ([195.102.126.130]) by Aqualisa.co.uk (Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) with SMTP id 802566C1.007BC103; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 22:31:43 +0000 Envelope-to: Colin.Mountford@Aqualisa.co.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 22:31:59 +0000 Received: from (pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk) [137.205.192.19] by mserv1a.u-net.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zgccI-0000UD-00; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 22:31:59 +0000 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id VAA02626 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 21:25:48 GMT Received: from Aqualisa.co.uk (host1.aqualisa.u-net.com [195.102.126.130]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id VAA02606 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 21:25:44 GMT Received: from notes ([195.102.126.130]) by Aqualisa.co.uk (Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) with SMTP id 802566C1.00755823; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 21:21:42 +0000 Received: from (pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk) [137.205.192.19] by mserv1a.u-net.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zgbX3-0005Wm-00; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 21:22:29 +0000 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id UAA21740 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 20:25:52 GMT Received: from Aqualisa.co.uk (host1.aqualisa.u-net.com [195.102.126.130]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id UAA21714 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 20:25:46 GMT Received: from notes ([195.102.126.130]) by Aqualisa.co.uk (Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) with SMTP id 802566C1.006FDA85; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 20:21:44 +0000 Received: from (pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk) [137.205.192.19] by mserv1a.u-net.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zgaWC-0002gm-00; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 20:17:32 +0000 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id TAA06084 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 19:15:58 GMT Received: from Aqualisa.co.uk (host1.aqualisa.u-net.com [195.102.126.130]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id TAA06071 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 19:15:55 GMT Received: from notes ([195.102.126.130]) by Aqualisa.co.uk (Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) with SMTP id 802566C1.006970F1; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 19:11:42 +0000 Received: from (pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk) [137.205.192.19] by mserv1b.u-net.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zgZLn-00071e-00; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 19:02:43 +0000 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id RAA15931 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 17:55:58 GMT Received: from Aqualisa.co.uk (host1.aqualisa.u-net.com [195.102.126.130]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id RAA15906 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 17:55:53 GMT Received: from notes ([195.102.126.130]) by Aqualisa.co.uk (Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) with SMTP id 802566C1.00621DE7; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 17:51:42 +0000 Received: from (pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk) [137.205.192.19] by mserv1a.u-net.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zgYFK-0003g8-00; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 17:51:58 +0000 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id QAA15176 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 16:21:36 GMT Received: from framestore.sohonet.co.uk (framestore1.sohonet.co.uk [193.203.80.44] (may be forged)) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA15156 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 16:21:31 GMT Received: (from smap@localhost) by framestore.sohonet.co.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id QAA13448 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 16:18:06 GMT Received: from london.fs.local( 192.168.2.150) by framestore.sohonet.co.uk via smap (V2.0) id xma013436; Thu, 19 Nov 98 16:17:40 GMT Received: from framestore.co.uk (engpc2.fs.local [192.168.1.23]) by london.fs.local (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id AAA4FC4 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 16:17:39 +0000 Message-ID: <365445CA.5645D209@framestore.co.uk> Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 16:22:34 +0000 From: "Sean Holden" Organization: framestore X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Re: Indoor References: <"/GUID:2C8E80AE637FD21188C70008C728E966*_"@MHS> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Now, Ultimate whilst Ice Skating, that's an idea. Maybe we could do a one day charity event on Ice. Think of the ground you will cover laying out. Sean farhad.saidieh@bae.co.uk wrote: > What is going on? > Regarding playing indoors who thinks they can dictate what should be done or not? > > If I want to play indoors, or out its up to me and no one else. It also applies to how I want to play. > > I may want to play on an ice skating ring. Is some one going to come and tell me I'm not allowed? > > Has any one heard of freedom of choice or is it now just fashionable lingo. > > Farhad Saidieh From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Nov 19 23:28:49 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id XAA21027 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 23:15:51 GMT Received: from Aqualisa.co.uk (host1.aqualisa.u-net.com [195.102.126.130]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id XAA21016 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 23:15:48 GMT Received: from notes ([195.102.126.130]) by Aqualisa.co.uk (Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) with SMTP id 802566C1.007F6A92; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 23:11:43 +0000 Envelope-to: Colin.Mountford@Aqualisa.co.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 23:09:45 +0000 Received: from (pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk) [137.205.192.19] by mserv1b.u-net.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zgdCq-0007ND-00; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 23:09:44 +0000 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id WAA09474 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 22:05:49 GMT Received: from Aqualisa.co.uk (host1.aqualisa.u-net.com [195.102.126.130]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id WAA09449 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 22:05:46 GMT Received: from notes ([195.102.126.130]) by Aqualisa.co.uk (Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) with SMTP id 802566C1.007901DA; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 22:01:43 +0000 Received: from (pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk) [137.205.192.19] by mserv1b.u-net.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zgc1N-0002dM-00; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 21:53:49 +0000 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id UAA27335 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 20:55:49 GMT Received: from Aqualisa.co.uk (host1.aqualisa.u-net.com [195.102.126.130]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id UAA27320 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 20:55:46 GMT Received: from notes ([195.102.126.130]) by Aqualisa.co.uk (Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) with SMTP id 802566C1.00729986; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 20:51:44 +0000 Received: from (pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk) [137.205.192.19] by mserv1b.u-net.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zgavw-000633-00; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 20:44:08 +0000 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id TAA15233 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 19:55:59 GMT Received: from Aqualisa.co.uk (host1.aqualisa.u-net.com [195.102.126.130]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id TAA15224 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 19:55:57 GMT Received: from notes ([195.102.126.130]) by Aqualisa.co.uk (Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) with SMTP id 802566C1.006D1B0C; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 19:51:43 +0000 Received: from (pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk) [137.205.192.19] by mserv1a.u-net.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zga96-0001eA-00; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 19:53:40 +0000 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id SAA01674 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 18:56:36 GMT Received: from Aqualisa.co.uk (host1.aqualisa.u-net.com [195.102.126.130]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id SAA01575 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 18:56:11 GMT Received: from notes ([195.102.126.130]) by Aqualisa.co.uk (Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) with SMTP id 802566C1.00679C88; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 18:51:43 +0000 Received: from (pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk) [137.205.192.19] by mserv1b.u-net.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zgZBE-0006Ko-00; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 18:51:48 +0000 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id RAA15557 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 17:54:30 GMT Received: from postcard.KSCL.COM (postcard.kscl.com [194.159.98.2]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA15543 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 17:54:26 GMT Received: by POSTCARD.kscl.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 17:54:57 -0000 Message-ID: From: Fraser Macrae To: "'britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk'" Subject: RE: Indoor Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 17:53:17 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Ice Ultimate is already played in some parts of Canada. This version is full contact with points scored by bouncing the disc off the ice into an ice hockey net. Not exactly pure ultimate but then neither is indoors! Fraser Sneeeky's ---------- From: Sean Holden [SMTP:sean.holden@framestore.co.uk] Sent: 19 November 1998 16:23 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Re: Indoor Now, Ultimate whilst Ice Skating, that's an idea. Maybe we could do a one day charity event on Ice. Think of the ground you will cover laying out. Sean farhad.saidieh@bae.co.uk wrote: > What is going on? > Regarding playing indoors who thinks they can dictate what should be done or not? > > If I want to play indoors, or out its up to me and no one else. It also applies to how I want to play. > > I may want to play on an ice skating ring. Is some one going to come and tell me I'm not allowed? > > Has any one heard of freedom of choice or is it now just fashionable lingo. > > Farhad Saidieh From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Nov 19 23:29:08 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id XAA21020 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 23:15:49 GMT Received: from Aqualisa.co.uk (host1.aqualisa.u-net.com [195.102.126.130]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id XAA21007 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 23:15:46 GMT Received: from notes ([195.102.126.130]) by Aqualisa.co.uk (Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) with SMTP id 802566C1.007F6B28; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 23:11:45 +0000 Envelope-to: Colin.Mountford@Aqualisa.co.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 23:11:30 +0000 Received: from (pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk) [137.205.192.19] by mserv1b.u-net.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zgdEX-0007Ui-00; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 23:11:29 +0000 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id WAA09462 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 22:05:48 GMT Received: from Aqualisa.co.uk (host1.aqualisa.u-net.com [195.102.126.130]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id WAA09440 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 22:05:44 GMT Received: from notes ([195.102.126.130]) by Aqualisa.co.uk (Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) with SMTP id 802566C1.00790266; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 22:01:44 +0000 Received: from (pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk) [137.205.192.19] by mserv1b.u-net.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zgc9e-00038K-00; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 22:02:22 +0000 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id UAA27328 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 20:55:47 GMT Received: from Aqualisa.co.uk (host1.aqualisa.u-net.com [195.102.126.130]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id UAA27313 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 20:55:44 GMT Received: from notes ([195.102.126.130]) by Aqualisa.co.uk (Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) with SMTP id 802566C1.007298FA; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 20:51:42 +0000 Received: from (pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk) [137.205.192.19] by mserv1b.u-net.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zgavc-00061u-00; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 20:43:48 +0000 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id TAA15225 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 19:55:58 GMT Received: from Aqualisa.co.uk (host1.aqualisa.u-net.com [195.102.126.130]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id TAA15217 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 19:55:56 GMT Received: from notes ([195.102.126.130]) by Aqualisa.co.uk (Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) with SMTP id 802566C1.006D1A80; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 19:51:42 +0000 Received: from (pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk) [137.205.192.19] by mserv1a.u-net.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zga8h-0001d2-00; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 19:53:15 +0000 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id SAA29008 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 18:45:49 GMT Received: from Aqualisa.co.uk (host1.aqualisa.u-net.com [195.102.126.130]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id SAA28985 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 18:45:44 GMT Received: from notes ([195.102.126.130]) by Aqualisa.co.uk (Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) with SMTP id 802566C1.0066B1A0; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 18:41:41 +0000 Received: from (pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk) [137.205.192.19] by mserv1b.u-net.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zgZ0w-0005VW-00; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 18:41:10 +0000 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id RAA08942 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 17:31:28 GMT Received: from larry.texcel.co.uk (larry.texcel.co.uk [195.40.103.11]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA08926 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 17:31:24 GMT Received: from dreamer.demon.co.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by larry.texcel.co.uk (8.8.8/8.7.1) with ESMTP id RAA28801; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 17:31:15 GMT Message-ID: <365455E2.1FECF088@dreamer.demon.co.uk> Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 17:31:14 +0000 From: Neil Travers Organization: Home(ish) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.5 sun4d) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Subject: Re: Indoor References: <"/GUID:2C8E80AE637FD21188C70008C728E966*_"@MHS> <365445CA.5645D209@framestore.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Sean Holden wrote: > Now, Ultimate whilst Ice Skating, that's an idea. Maybe we could do a one > day charity event on Ice. Think of the ground you will cover laying out. Hmmm, footblocks might have to be banned though and what constitutes a travel? I have heard of a version of Ultimate on bikes, and they were not allowed to peddle while holding the disc. Can't see an equivalent for skates. -- Neil Travers From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Nov 19 23:59:41 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id XAA25914 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 23:45:54 GMT Received: from Aqualisa.co.uk (host1.aqualisa.u-net.com [195.102.126.130]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id XAA25903 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 23:45:51 GMT From: Chuckaway@aol.com Received: from notes ([195.102.126.130]) by Aqualisa.co.uk (Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) with SMTP id 802566C1.008229B0; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 23:41:43 +0000 Envelope-to: Colin.Mountford@Aqualisa.co.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 23:42:58 +0000 Received: from (pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk) [137.205.192.19] by mserv1a.u-net.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zgdiz-0003HM-00; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 23:42:57 +0000 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id WAA14441 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 22:35:48 GMT Received: from Aqualisa.co.uk (host1.aqualisa.u-net.com [195.102.126.130]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id WAA14417 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 22:35:44 GMT Received: from notes ([195.102.126.130]) by Aqualisa.co.uk (Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) with SMTP id 802566C1.007BC18F; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 22:31:45 +0000 Received: from (pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk) [137.205.192.19] by mserv1a.u-net.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zgccM-0000UT-00; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 22:32:02 +0000 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id VAA02623 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 21:25:47 GMT Received: from Aqualisa.co.uk (host1.aqualisa.u-net.com [195.102.126.130]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id VAA02604 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 21:25:43 GMT Received: from notes ([195.102.126.130]) by Aqualisa.co.uk (Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) with SMTP id 802566C1.0075589B; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 21:21:44 +0000 Received: from (pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk) [137.205.192.19] by mserv1a.u-net.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zgbX7-0005X0-00; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 21:22:33 +0000 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id UAA21739 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 20:25:52 GMT Received: from Aqualisa.co.uk (host1.aqualisa.u-net.com [195.102.126.130]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id UAA21717 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 20:25:48 GMT Received: from notes ([195.102.126.130]) by Aqualisa.co.uk (Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) with SMTP id 802566C1.006FD9F9; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 20:21:43 +0000 Received: from (pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk) [137.205.192.19] by mserv1a.u-net.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zgaVz-0002g5-00; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 20:17:19 +0000 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id TAA08977 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 19:28:41 GMT Received: from imo26.mx.aol.com (imo26.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.70]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA08951 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 19:28:37 GMT Received: from Chuckaway@aol.com by imo26.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id IIIBa16324 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 14:27:55 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <7e0d61e9.3654713b@aol.com> Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 14:27:55 EST To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Request for BUF constitution Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0.i for Windows sub 166 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Ben, Sorry to write to you via Britdisc, I don't think I have your e-mail. Could you please send me a copy of the BUF constitution. Thanks, Charlie From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Nov 20 01:18:23 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id BAA07277 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 01:06:20 GMT Received: from Aqualisa.co.uk (host1.aqualisa.u-net.com [195.102.126.130] (may be forged)) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id BAA07272 for ; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 01:06:18 GMT From: Chuckaway@aol.com Received: from notes ([195.102.126.130]) by Aqualisa.co.uk (Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) with SMTP id 802566C2.0005A750; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 01:01:45 +0000 Envelope-to: Colin.Mountford@Aqualisa.co.uk Delivery-date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 01:01:05 +0000 Received: from (pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk) [137.205.192.19] by mserv1a.u-net.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zgewb-0005cn-00; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 01:01:05 +0000 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id XAA25914 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 23:45:54 GMT Received: from Aqualisa.co.uk (host1.aqualisa.u-net.com [195.102.126.130]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id XAA25903 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 23:45:51 GMT Received: from notes ([195.102.126.130]) by Aqualisa.co.uk (Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) with SMTP id 802566C1.008229B0; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 23:41:43 +0000 Received: from (pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk) [137.205.192.19] by mserv1a.u-net.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zgdiz-0003HM-00; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 23:42:57 +0000 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id WAA14441 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 22:35:48 GMT Received: from Aqualisa.co.uk (host1.aqualisa.u-net.com [195.102.126.130]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id WAA14417 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 22:35:44 GMT Received: from notes ([195.102.126.130]) by Aqualisa.co.uk (Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) with SMTP id 802566C1.007BC18F; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 22:31:45 +0000 Received: from (pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk) [137.205.192.19] by mserv1a.u-net.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zgccM-0000UT-00; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 22:32:02 +0000 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id VAA02623 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 21:25:47 GMT Received: from Aqualisa.co.uk (host1.aqualisa.u-net.com [195.102.126.130]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id VAA02604 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 21:25:43 GMT Received: from notes ([195.102.126.130]) by Aqualisa.co.uk (Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) with SMTP id 802566C1.0075589B; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 21:21:44 +0000 Received: from (pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk) [137.205.192.19] by mserv1a.u-net.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zgbX7-0005X0-00; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 21:22:33 +0000 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id UAA21739 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 20:25:52 GMT Received: from Aqualisa.co.uk (host1.aqualisa.u-net.com [195.102.126.130]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id UAA21717 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 20:25:48 GMT Received: from notes ([195.102.126.130]) by Aqualisa.co.uk (Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) with SMTP id 802566C1.006FD9F9; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 20:21:43 +0000 Received: from (pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk) [137.205.192.19] by mserv1a.u-net.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zgaVz-0002g5-00; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 20:17:19 +0000 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id TAA08977 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 19:28:41 GMT Received: from imo26.mx.aol.com (imo26.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.70]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA08951 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 19:28:37 GMT Received: from Chuckaway@aol.com by imo26.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id IIIBa16324 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 14:27:55 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <7e0d61e9.3654713b@aol.com> Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 14:27:55 EST To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Request for BUF constitution Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0.i for Windows sub 166 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Ben, Sorry to write to you via Britdisc, I don't think I have your e-mail. Could you please send me a copy of the BUF constitution. Thanks, Charlie From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Nov 20 15:58:09 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id PAA02352 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 15:41:16 GMT Received: from spuggie.cen.brad.ac.uk (root@spuggie.cen.brad.ac.uk [143.53.2.18] (may be forged)) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA02219 for ; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 15:40:51 GMT Received: from kite.cen.brad.ac.uk (bjsilcoc@kite.cen.brad.ac.uk [143.53.238.22]) by spuggie.cen.brad.ac.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id PAA09287 for ; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 15:40:48 GMT Received: from localhost (bjsilcoc@localhost) by kite.cen.brad.ac.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id PAA25633 for ; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 15:40:47 GMT Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 15:40:47 +0000 (BST) From: "Flowers never bend with the rainfall." X-Sender: bjsilcoc@kite.cen.brad.ac.uk To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Sorry Guys Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk I would like to apologise about starting a silly discussion, with my mail intitled Indoor injurys, when infact I found out a long time ago that I am soooo skinny that I actually bounce off the hard floor with only a few bruses. I think larger people than myself in my club copy me and thats why we have so many broken bones. Quite frankly as long as I bounce, then I will not stop laying out indoors (But I'm very stupid). But some people will never learn to stop on a sixpence or dive without killing themselves/spectator/team mascot? so when these people get a headrush they are not so fortunate! ie Broken Ankle, 2 wrists, hand, and dislocated knee in 6 weeks! Cheers Ben Disciples & MMJ ***************************************************************************** `'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'` '`'`'`'Benjamin Silcock * Biomedical Sciences * Bradford University '`'`'`'`' `'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'` '`'`'`'`'`If you live life for every moment, Tomorrow never comes`'`'`'`'`'`' `'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'` '`'`'`'`'`When I die, my whole life will be forgotten. Will yours?'`'`'`'`'`' `'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'` ***************************************************************************** From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Nov 20 17:32:43 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id RAA25457 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 17:12:58 GMT Received: from Aqualisa.co.uk (host1.aqualisa.u-net.com [195.102.126.130] (may be forged)) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id RAA25438 for ; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 17:12:54 GMT Received: from notes ([195.102.126.130]) by Aqualisa.co.uk (Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) with SMTP id 802566C2.005E3144; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 17:11:45 +0000 Envelope-to: Colin.Mountford@Aqualisa.co.uk Delivery-date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 17:05:07 +0000 Received: from (pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk) [137.205.192.19] by mserv1a.u-net.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zgtzX-00057X-00; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 17:05:07 +0000 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id PAA02352 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 15:41:16 GMT Received: from spuggie.cen.brad.ac.uk (root@spuggie.cen.brad.ac.uk [143.53.2.18] (may be forged)) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA02219 for ; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 15:40:51 GMT Received: from kite.cen.brad.ac.uk (bjsilcoc@kite.cen.brad.ac.uk [143.53.238.22]) by spuggie.cen.brad.ac.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id PAA09287 for ; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 15:40:48 GMT Received: from localhost (bjsilcoc@localhost) by kite.cen.brad.ac.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id PAA25633 for ; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 15:40:47 GMT Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 15:40:47 +0000 (BST) From: "Flowers never bend with the rainfall." X-Sender: bjsilcoc@kite.cen.brad.ac.uk To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Sorry Guys Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk I would like to apologise about starting a silly discussion, with my mail intitled Indoor injurys, when infact I found out a long time ago that I am soooo skinny that I actually bounce off the hard floor with only a few bruses. I think larger people than myself in my club copy me and thats why we have so many broken bones. Quite frankly as long as I bounce, then I will not stop laying out indoors (But I'm very stupid). But some people will never learn to stop on a sixpence or dive without killing themselves/spectator/team mascot? so when these people get a headrush they are not so fortunate! ie Broken Ankle, 2 wrists, hand, and dislocated knee in 6 weeks! Cheers Ben Disciples & MMJ ***************************************************************************** `'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'` '`'`'`'Benjamin Silcock * Biomedical Sciences * Bradford University '`'`'`'`' `'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'` '`'`'`'`'`If you live life for every moment, Tomorrow never comes`'`'`'`'`'`' `'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'` '`'`'`'`'`When I die, my whole life will be forgotten. Will yours?'`'`'`'`'`' `'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'` ***************************************************************************** From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Nov 20 18:45:04 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id SAA18439 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 18:32:55 GMT Received: from Aqualisa.co.uk (host1.aqualisa.u-net.com [195.102.126.130]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id SAA18429 for ; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 18:32:53 GMT Received: from notes ([195.102.126.130]) by Aqualisa.co.uk (Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) with SMTP id 802566C2.00658494; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 18:31:45 +0000 Envelope-to: Colin.Mountford@Aqualisa.co.uk Delivery-date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 18:21:37 +0000 Received: from (pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk) [137.205.192.19] by mserv1b.u-net.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zgvBZ-0004d1-00; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 18:21:37 +0000 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id RAA25457 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 17:12:58 GMT Received: from Aqualisa.co.uk (host1.aqualisa.u-net.com [195.102.126.130] (may be forged)) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id RAA25438 for ; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 17:12:54 GMT Received: from notes ([195.102.126.130]) by Aqualisa.co.uk (Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) with SMTP id 802566C2.005E3144; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 17:11:45 +0000 Received: from (pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk) [137.205.192.19] by mserv1a.u-net.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zgtzX-00057X-00; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 17:05:07 +0000 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id PAA02352 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 15:41:16 GMT Received: from spuggie.cen.brad.ac.uk (root@spuggie.cen.brad.ac.uk [143.53.2.18] (may be forged)) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA02219 for ; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 15:40:51 GMT Received: from kite.cen.brad.ac.uk (bjsilcoc@kite.cen.brad.ac.uk [143.53.238.22]) by spuggie.cen.brad.ac.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id PAA09287 for ; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 15:40:48 GMT Received: from localhost (bjsilcoc@localhost) by kite.cen.brad.ac.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id PAA25633 for ; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 15:40:47 GMT Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 15:40:47 +0000 (BST) From: "Flowers never bend with the rainfall." X-Sender: bjsilcoc@kite.cen.brad.ac.uk To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Sorry Guys Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk I would like to apologise about starting a silly discussion, with my mail intitled Indoor injurys, when infact I found out a long time ago that I am soooo skinny that I actually bounce off the hard floor with only a few bruses. I think larger people than myself in my club copy me and thats why we have so many broken bones. Quite frankly as long as I bounce, then I will not stop laying out indoors (But I'm very stupid). But some people will never learn to stop on a sixpence or dive without killing themselves/spectator/team mascot? so when these people get a headrush they are not so fortunate! ie Broken Ankle, 2 wrists, hand, and dislocated knee in 6 weeks! Cheers Ben Disciples & MMJ ***************************************************************************** `'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'` '`'`'`'Benjamin Silcock * Biomedical Sciences * Bradford University '`'`'`'`' `'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'` '`'`'`'`'`If you live life for every moment, Tomorrow never comes`'`'`'`'`'`' `'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'` '`'`'`'`'`When I die, my whole life will be forgotten. Will yours?'`'`'`'`'`' `'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'` ***************************************************************************** From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Nov 20 19:56:31 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id TAA28352 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 19:42:53 GMT Received: from Aqualisa.co.uk (host1.aqualisa.u-net.com [195.102.126.130]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id TAA28347 for ; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 19:42:50 GMT Received: from notes ([195.102.126.130]) by Aqualisa.co.uk (Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) with SMTP id 802566C2.006BED4C; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 19:41:46 +0000 Envelope-to: Colin.Mountford@Aqualisa.co.uk Delivery-date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 19:41:36 +0000 Received: from (pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk) [137.205.192.19] by mserv1a.u-net.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zgwQy-0004Y5-00; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 19:41:36 +0000 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id SAA18439 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 18:32:55 GMT Received: from Aqualisa.co.uk (host1.aqualisa.u-net.com [195.102.126.130]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id SAA18429 for ; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 18:32:53 GMT Received: from notes ([195.102.126.130]) by Aqualisa.co.uk (Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) with SMTP id 802566C2.00658494; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 18:31:45 +0000 Received: from (pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk) [137.205.192.19] by mserv1b.u-net.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zgvBZ-0004d1-00; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 18:21:37 +0000 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id RAA25457 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 17:12:58 GMT Received: from Aqualisa.co.uk (host1.aqualisa.u-net.com [195.102.126.130] (may be forged)) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id RAA25438 for ; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 17:12:54 GMT Received: from notes ([195.102.126.130]) by Aqualisa.co.uk (Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) with SMTP id 802566C2.005E3144; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 17:11:45 +0000 Received: from (pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk) [137.205.192.19] by mserv1a.u-net.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zgtzX-00057X-00; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 17:05:07 +0000 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id PAA02352 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 15:41:16 GMT Received: from spuggie.cen.brad.ac.uk (root@spuggie.cen.brad.ac.uk [143.53.2.18] (may be forged)) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA02219 for ; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 15:40:51 GMT Received: from kite.cen.brad.ac.uk (bjsilcoc@kite.cen.brad.ac.uk [143.53.238.22]) by spuggie.cen.brad.ac.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id PAA09287 for ; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 15:40:48 GMT Received: from localhost (bjsilcoc@localhost) by kite.cen.brad.ac.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id PAA25633 for ; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 15:40:47 GMT Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 15:40:47 +0000 (BST) From: "Flowers never bend with the rainfall." X-Sender: bjsilcoc@kite.cen.brad.ac.uk To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Sorry Guys Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk I would like to apologise about starting a silly discussion, with my mail intitled Indoor injurys, when infact I found out a long time ago that I am soooo skinny that I actually bounce off the hard floor with only a few bruses. I think larger people than myself in my club copy me and thats why we have so many broken bones. Quite frankly as long as I bounce, then I will not stop laying out indoors (But I'm very stupid). But some people will never learn to stop on a sixpence or dive without killing themselves/spectator/team mascot? so when these people get a headrush they are not so fortunate! ie Broken Ankle, 2 wrists, hand, and dislocated knee in 6 weeks! Cheers Ben Disciples & MMJ ***************************************************************************** `'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'` '`'`'`'Benjamin Silcock * Biomedical Sciences * Bradford University '`'`'`'`' `'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'` '`'`'`'`'`If you live life for every moment, Tomorrow never comes`'`'`'`'`'`' `'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'` '`'`'`'`'`When I die, my whole life will be forgotten. Will yours?'`'`'`'`'`' `'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'` ***************************************************************************** From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Nov 20 20:27:41 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id UAA02861 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 20:16:10 GMT Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com (imo12.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.2]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA02855 for ; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 20:16:08 GMT From: Tebewebb@aol.com Received: from Tebewebb@aol.com by imo12.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id IINSa03115 for ; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 15:15:25 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <9b697008.3655cddd@aol.com> Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 15:15:25 EST To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Media coverage Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 49 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk A few months back, there was a big splash in the UK about some lousy media coverage given to ultimate (I think it was in Time Out?). Well, of course, not to say that everything is better on the other side, but here is what the New York Times (its a big paper over here - you may have heard of it) had to say: New York Times, November 20, 1998 More Than a Simple Fling: Ultimate Frisbee By JERRY BEILINSON NEW YORK -- My wife doesn't stroke my ego the way she did before we were married. I told her I was going to play ultimate Frisbee, for the first time since college 10 years ago. She said, "Wait, I wanna buy more life insurance first." Then she felt bad and offered to help me find my moldy old cleats, which hadn't been worn in more than a decade. "I don't need cleats," I said. "This is a mellow game. They even said beginners are welcome." Fran looked at me with what I'm pretty sure was pity and told me to drink plenty of water. Two hours later, I'm in Prospect Park in Brooklyn. I'm not quite wheezing yet but my legs feel like lead and my man is running away from me with ease. He crosses into the end zone and catches the disk with the relaxed air of Michael Jordan shooting over, say, a boiled chicken. This guy I'm failing to guard is named John, I think. And I'm not sure, but there may be two Johns here. Either that or all this panting is making me see double. Ultimate is sometimes called Frisbee football, but it's really more like soccer, especially from a cardiovascular perspective. It was invented by some New Jersey high-school students in 1968 and went on to spread through the country and to some extent through the world. Official games have seven players on each side on a field that is 40 by 70 yards, not counting two end zones that are each 25 yards deep. The teams line up on opposite goal lines and one throws off to the other, as with the kickoff in football. But there the similarity to that game ends. Action is continuous. You can't run while holding the Frisbee, but you do run around like crazy trying to get open so your teammate can throw it to you. If you catch a pass, you stop short, pivot on your heel and pass the Frisbee in turn to another player, one who is preferably further up the field. Drop the disk (slang for Frisbee) or throw an interception and the game continues in reverse: while the other team goes on the attack you switch to defense. To score, a team has to pass the Frisbee across the goal line. Then finally play stops, and the teams return to opposite ends of the field to start another point. This is usually a good time for the paramedics to come in and tidy up the likes of me. Like other team athletes, ultimate players scream. In Prospect Park, one guy is shouting: "Stack! Stack! Stack!" Then, it's: "Force home! Force is home!" and other jargon I don't understand. But when my side is on offense, I cut straight at the defender, pivot and run full speed back at my teammate holding the disk. He gets off a pass and I snag it. Someone calls, "Good cut!" My defender is a few inches from me, shouting the stall count: "Stall one! Stall two! Stall three!" If I don't get a pass off by the time he reaches 10, the Frisbee turns over. I fake right, pass left and bury the disk in the grass. "Don't air bounce!" someone screams. I was trying to throw under the arm of the defender and then make the disk curve sharply up into the hands of my teammate. It used to work in college. Back then, in the days when my friends and I ruled intramural ultimate at our Midwest university. Out on the meadow in front of the old library, we'd spend afternoons tossing the disk around. It was translucent, and it traced long arcs in the sky, pure as mathematics, or blistering straight lines. No football or javelin ever had the beauty in flight of a 175-gram ultimate Frisbee. There were a lot of ponytail and earring wearers, late sleepers and guitar players in that group. On game day we'd show up late, warm up with cigarettes and maybe a beer, and win. And we took pleasure in beating the likes of the football fraternity. That team would arrive wearing identical white T-shirts and prepare with lock-step calisthenics. It was skill over strength, physics over physicality, the triumph of the soul over mere substance. But the fit inherit the world. In Prospect Park, my head feels as heavy as my legs and I've retreated to the grass under a shade tree to drink water and watch the game. This is a pretty spot. The field is called the Nethermead, and it's a short walk from the Third Street entrance on Prospect Park West. The lawn is thick and trees are scattered idyllically around the edges. If I do go back in the game and the worst does occur, this might do nicely as my final resting place. After a couple of hours about 30 players have shown up. The game has been going on every Saturday morning, rain, shine or snow, for years. They even played in the big blizzard of 1996, says Scott Bolden, who is not only tireless on the field but also has a sort of world-culture cool going on. He's wearing a striped soccerlike jersey, green shorts and wraparound sunglasses. While this is a pickup game -- beginners welcome and all that -- he explains to me that many of these players also compete on club teams. Competitive ultimate is governed by a somewhat anarchic group called the Ultimate Players Association. There are men's and women's divisions, with a recently begun coed division. College and club leagues are separate; the clubs are better. There's no professional play in ultimate and neither sponsorships nor any officiating. Just a lot of players who can't kick the habit. This is what I love about the game: its classic sporting attitude. Baseball was maybe this cool in the 1880s. Sean Castellino, chatting on the sidelines, tells me that a couple of Prospect Park regulars have been on national championship teams. His own club, F Train, is a "scrub Brooklyn team," he says. I saw the team earlier in the day practicing on another field. It's a hefty notch below New York's best team, the name of which seems to morph from year to year. Right now, it's called the Westchester Summer League All-Stars. I go back into the game. The problem with my regular have-another-doughnut conditioning program is that I can really only play one point before I get too tired to run very hard. After that, I resort to a lazy sort of ultimate- playing defense off my man, mainly staying far from the disk on offense. I retreat to the sidelines again after three points. On the other end of the spectrum is Irina Konvickova, who plays hard for 90 straight minutes, it seems to me, before reluctantly taking a break and letting someone else go in for her. A native of what is now the Czech Republic, she hadn't played the game before moving to the United States. The sport was played only in Prague and she had spent her time competing at the national level in judo. Now, at 28, she has been playing three years. She happens to be the only woman playing on the field today. She lives in Manhattan and used to play at a long-running pickup game in Central Park, but gave it up in favor of the games at Prospect Park. She says she finds the level of play lower in Central Park, and because more people would show up she didn't get to play as much. "I don't like to sit down," she says. "I like to play the whole time." A lower level of play? Less time on the field? I'm there. The next afternoon, Sunday, I'm in Central Park on a field aptly called the Dust Bowl, on the Fifth Avenue side just north of 97th Street. So far, the regeneration of the lawn in Central Park has missed this spot. Instead of being the worst player on the field here I'm just in the bottom 30 percent. Enough players have shown up to make three six-person teams. It works like the pool table at a bar: you win, you keep the field, except that one team never plays more than two games in a row. I play better than I did in Prospect Park. I get in on a couple of plays on offense. And on defense, I manage to stay close enough to the player I'm guarding to preserve my dignity. Once I even jump over him in the end zone to swat away the Frisbee and prevent a score. There's some question as to whether the play is broken up by me or some low-hanging branches, but heck, we get the disk. For me, Central Park will do nicely for now. Still, there's got to be a game out there where I can excel. If not, I'm going to start my own pickup game. Maybe I'll recruit my daughter's friends. They're all in nursery school and some of them are really short. It's a week after Central Park and I'm checking out a higher level of play, but this time there's not a chance I'll get in a game. I've come to the regional club championships of the Ultimate Players Association held at the State University College at Purchase, N.Y. The Westchester All-Stars are playing today; eventually the team will place fourth nationally. So is D.O.G. (for Death or Glory), the Boston team that has won the national championship for four years running, and will go on to do it again this year. They rose to the pinnacle of the game after the breakup of a New York dynasty team, New York, New York, which had won five years in a row. Lady Godiva, the best women's team in the region and the eventual winner at the nationals, is here, too, and steamrollering the competition. A lot of players and some spectators have come to Purchase. A lot of dogs are running around, too, chasing Frisbees and one another. I sort of feel as if I'm at a Grateful Dead concert: the mood is welcoming and unpretentious. This makes sense because a critical part of ultimate is the spirit of the game. Players make their own calls, and they do it honestly. Picks and body contact are not only illegal but also rare and genuinely accidental. If these guys had played us in college, they would have won easily. Yet no matter how loud the players scream, how hard they train or how often they make bruising diving catches it's still recognizably the same game I played back on the meadow all those years ago. In those days, it seemed as if grace was at my fingertips. I launched the disk into space, and there it was: glory. Out on the field in Purchase someone from D.O.G. throws a long bomb into the end zone and the players sprint toward it. On the sidelines, we all watch as the disk floats for long seconds against the sky. It's beautiful. ********** Other than a casually inaccurate statement about how goals are caught, I'd say its pretty durn good. For the web-inclined, its at: http://www.nytimes.com/yr/mo/day/news/arts/weekend-warrior.html. For the hard-copy inclined, its the Friday, 20 November, p. B52. Stephen formerly Gun, now Pocomoke, always Happy From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Nov 20 21:04:36 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id UAA07335 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 20:53:06 GMT Received: from Aqualisa.co.uk (host1.aqualisa.u-net.com [195.102.126.130] (may be forged)) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id UAA07327 for ; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 20:53:02 GMT Received: from notes ([195.102.126.130]) by Aqualisa.co.uk (Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) with SMTP id 802566C2.0072564A; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 20:51:47 +0000 Envelope-to: Colin.Mountford@Aqualisa.co.uk Delivery-date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 20:42:00 +0000 Received: from (pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk) [137.205.192.19] by mserv1b.u-net.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zgxNP-0004yg-00; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 20:41:59 +0000 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id TAA28352 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 19:42:53 GMT Received: from Aqualisa.co.uk (host1.aqualisa.u-net.com [195.102.126.130]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id TAA28347 for ; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 19:42:50 GMT Received: from notes ([195.102.126.130]) by Aqualisa.co.uk (Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) with SMTP id 802566C2.006BED4C; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 19:41:46 +0000 Received: from (pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk) [137.205.192.19] by mserv1a.u-net.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zgwQy-0004Y5-00; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 19:41:36 +0000 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id SAA18439 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 18:32:55 GMT Received: from Aqualisa.co.uk (host1.aqualisa.u-net.com [195.102.126.130]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id SAA18429 for ; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 18:32:53 GMT Received: from notes ([195.102.126.130]) by Aqualisa.co.uk (Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) with SMTP id 802566C2.00658494; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 18:31:45 +0000 Received: from (pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk) [137.205.192.19] by mserv1b.u-net.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zgvBZ-0004d1-00; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 18:21:37 +0000 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id RAA25457 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 17:12:58 GMT Received: from Aqualisa.co.uk (host1.aqualisa.u-net.com [195.102.126.130] (may be forged)) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id RAA25438 for ; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 17:12:54 GMT Received: from notes ([195.102.126.130]) by Aqualisa.co.uk (Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) with SMTP id 802566C2.005E3144; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 17:11:45 +0000 Received: from (pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk) [137.205.192.19] by mserv1a.u-net.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zgtzX-00057X-00; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 17:05:07 +0000 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id PAA02352 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 15:41:16 GMT Received: from spuggie.cen.brad.ac.uk (root@spuggie.cen.brad.ac.uk [143.53.2.18] (may be forged)) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA02219 for ; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 15:40:51 GMT Received: from kite.cen.brad.ac.uk (bjsilcoc@kite.cen.brad.ac.uk [143.53.238.22]) by spuggie.cen.brad.ac.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id PAA09287 for ; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 15:40:48 GMT Received: from localhost (bjsilcoc@localhost) by kite.cen.brad.ac.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id PAA25633 for ; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 15:40:47 GMT Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 15:40:47 +0000 (BST) From: "Flowers never bend with the rainfall." X-Sender: bjsilcoc@kite.cen.brad.ac.uk To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Sorry Guys Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk I would like to apologise about starting a silly discussion, with my mail intitled Indoor injurys, when infact I found out a long time ago that I am soooo skinny that I actually bounce off the hard floor with only a few bruses. I think larger people than myself in my club copy me and thats why we have so many broken bones. Quite frankly as long as I bounce, then I will not stop laying out indoors (But I'm very stupid). But some people will never learn to stop on a sixpence or dive without killing themselves/spectator/team mascot? so when these people get a headrush they are not so fortunate! ie Broken Ankle, 2 wrists, hand, and dislocated knee in 6 weeks! Cheers Ben Disciples & MMJ ***************************************************************************** `'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'` '`'`'`'Benjamin Silcock * Biomedical Sciences * Bradford University '`'`'`'`' `'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'` '`'`'`'`'`If you live life for every moment, Tomorrow never comes`'`'`'`'`'`' `'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'` '`'`'`'`'`When I die, my whole life will be forgotten. Will yours?'`'`'`'`'`' `'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'` ***************************************************************************** From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Nov 20 21:42:27 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id VAA10448 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 21:23:04 GMT Received: from Aqualisa.co.uk (host1.aqualisa.u-net.com [195.102.126.130] (may be forged)) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id VAA10434 for ; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 21:23:00 GMT From: Tebewebb@aol.com Received: from notes ([195.102.126.130]) by Aqualisa.co.uk (Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) with SMTP id 802566C2.00751541; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 21:21:46 +0000 Envelope-to: Colin.Mountford@Aqualisa.co.uk Delivery-date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 21:10:18 +0000 Received: from (pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk) [137.205.192.19] by mserv1b.u-net.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zgxoo-0006I1-00; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 21:10:18 +0000 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id UAA02861 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 20:16:10 GMT Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com (imo12.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.2]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA02855 for ; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 20:16:08 GMT Received: from Tebewebb@aol.com by imo12.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id IINSa03115 for ; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 15:15:25 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <9b697008.3655cddd@aol.com> Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 15:15:25 EST To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Media coverage Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 49 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk A few months back, there was a big splash in the UK about some lousy media coverage given to ultimate (I think it was in Time Out?). Well, of course, not to say that everything is better on the other side, but here is what the New York Times (its a big paper over here - you may have heard of it) had to say: New York Times, November 20, 1998 More Than a Simple Fling: Ultimate Frisbee By JERRY BEILINSON NEW YORK -- My wife doesn't stroke my ego the way she did before we were married. I told her I was going to play ultimate Frisbee, for the first time since college 10 years ago. She said, "Wait, I wanna buy more life insurance first." Then she felt bad and offered to help me find my moldy old cleats, which hadn't been worn in more than a decade. "I don't need cleats," I said. "This is a mellow game. They even said beginners are welcome." Fran looked at me with what I'm pretty sure was pity and told me to drink plenty of water. Two hours later, I'm in Prospect Park in Brooklyn. I'm not quite wheezing yet but my legs feel like lead and my man is running away from me with ease. He crosses into the end zone and catches the disk with the relaxed air of Michael Jordan shooting over, say, a boiled chicken. This guy I'm failing to guard is named John, I think. And I'm not sure, but there may be two Johns here. Either that or all this panting is making me see double. Ultimate is sometimes called Frisbee football, but it's really more like soccer, especially from a cardiovascular perspective. It was invented by some New Jersey high-school students in 1968 and went on to spread through the country and to some extent through the world. Official games have seven players on each side on a field that is 40 by 70 yards, not counting two end zones that are each 25 yards deep. The teams line up on opposite goal lines and one throws off to the other, as with the kickoff in football. But there the similarity to that game ends. Action is continuous. You can't run while holding the Frisbee, but you do run around like crazy trying to get open so your teammate can throw it to you. If you catch a pass, you stop short, pivot on your heel and pass the Frisbee in turn to another player, one who is preferably further up the field. Drop the disk (slang for Frisbee) or throw an interception and the game continues in reverse: while the other team goes on the attack you switch to defense. To score, a team has to pass the Frisbee across the goal line. Then finally play stops, and the teams return to opposite ends of the field to start another point. This is usually a good time for the paramedics to come in and tidy up the likes of me. Like other team athletes, ultimate players scream. In Prospect Park, one guy is shouting: "Stack! Stack! Stack!" Then, it's: "Force home! Force is home!" and other jargon I don't understand. But when my side is on offense, I cut straight at the defender, pivot and run full speed back at my teammate holding the disk. He gets off a pass and I snag it. Someone calls, "Good cut!" My defender is a few inches from me, shouting the stall count: "Stall one! Stall two! Stall three!" If I don't get a pass off by the time he reaches 10, the Frisbee turns over. I fake right, pass left and bury the disk in the grass. "Don't air bounce!" someone screams. I was trying to throw under the arm of the defender and then make the disk curve sharply up into the hands of my teammate. It used to work in college. Back then, in the days when my friends and I ruled intramural ultimate at our Midwest university. Out on the meadow in front of the old library, we'd spend afternoons tossing the disk around. It was translucent, and it traced long arcs in the sky, pure as mathematics, or blistering straight lines. No football or javelin ever had the beauty in flight of a 175-gram ultimate Frisbee. There were a lot of ponytail and earring wearers, late sleepers and guitar players in that group. On game day we'd show up late, warm up with cigarettes and maybe a beer, and win. And we took pleasure in beating the likes of the football fraternity. That team would arrive wearing identical white T-shirts and prepare with lock-step calisthenics. It was skill over strength, physics over physicality, the triumph of the soul over mere substance. But the fit inherit the world. In Prospect Park, my head feels as heavy as my legs and I've retreated to the grass under a shade tree to drink water and watch the game. This is a pretty spot. The field is called the Nethermead, and it's a short walk from the Third Street entrance on Prospect Park West. The lawn is thick and trees are scattered idyllically around the edges. If I do go back in the game and the worst does occur, this might do nicely as my final resting place. After a couple of hours about 30 players have shown up. The game has been going on every Saturday morning, rain, shine or snow, for years. They even played in the big blizzard of 1996, says Scott Bolden, who is not only tireless on the field but also has a sort of world-culture cool going on. He's wearing a striped soccerlike jersey, green shorts and wraparound sunglasses. While this is a pickup game -- beginners welcome and all that -- he explains to me that many of these players also compete on club teams. Competitive ultimate is governed by a somewhat anarchic group called the Ultimate Players Association. There are men's and women's divisions, with a recently begun coed division. College and club leagues are separate; the clubs are better. There's no professional play in ultimate and neither sponsorships nor any officiating. Just a lot of players who can't kick the habit. This is what I love about the game: its classic sporting attitude. Baseball was maybe this cool in the 1880s. Sean Castellino, chatting on the sidelines, tells me that a couple of Prospect Park regulars have been on national championship teams. His own club, F Train, is a "scrub Brooklyn team," he says. I saw the team earlier in the day practicing on another field. It's a hefty notch below New York's best team, the name of which seems to morph from year to year. Right now, it's called the Westchester Summer League All-Stars. I go back into the game. The problem with my regular have-another-doughnut conditioning program is that I can really only play one point before I get too tired to run very hard. After that, I resort to a lazy sort of ultimate- playing defense off my man, mainly staying far from the disk on offense. I retreat to the sidelines again after three points. On the other end of the spectrum is Irina Konvickova, who plays hard for 90 straight minutes, it seems to me, before reluctantly taking a break and letting someone else go in for her. A native of what is now the Czech Republic, she hadn't played the game before moving to the United States. The sport was played only in Prague and she had spent her time competing at the national level in judo. Now, at 28, she has been playing three years. She happens to be the only woman playing on the field today. She lives in Manhattan and used to play at a long-running pickup game in Central Park, but gave it up in favor of the games at Prospect Park. She says she finds the level of play lower in Central Park, and because more people would show up she didn't get to play as much. "I don't like to sit down," she says. "I like to play the whole time." A lower level of play? Less time on the field? I'm there. The next afternoon, Sunday, I'm in Central Park on a field aptly called the Dust Bowl, on the Fifth Avenue side just north of 97th Street. So far, the regeneration of the lawn in Central Park has missed this spot. Instead of being the worst player on the field here I'm just in the bottom 30 percent. Enough players have shown up to make three six-person teams. It works like the pool table at a bar: you win, you keep the field, except that one team never plays more than two games in a row. I play better than I did in Prospect Park. I get in on a couple of plays on offense. And on defense, I manage to stay close enough to the player I'm guarding to preserve my dignity. Once I even jump over him in the end zone to swat away the Frisbee and prevent a score. There's some question as to whether the play is broken up by me or some low-hanging branches, but heck, we get the disk. For me, Central Park will do nicely for now. Still, there's got to be a game out there where I can excel. If not, I'm going to start my own pickup game. Maybe I'll recruit my daughter's friends. They're all in nursery school and some of them are really short. It's a week after Central Park and I'm checking out a higher level of play, but this time there's not a chance I'll get in a game. I've come to the regional club championships of the Ultimate Players Association held at the State University College at Purchase, N.Y. The Westchester All-Stars are playing today; eventually the team will place fourth nationally. So is D.O.G. (for Death or Glory), the Boston team that has won the national championship for four years running, and will go on to do it again this year. They rose to the pinnacle of the game after the breakup of a New York dynasty team, New York, New York, which had won five years in a row. Lady Godiva, the best women's team in the region and the eventual winner at the nationals, is here, too, and steamrollering the competition. A lot of players and some spectators have come to Purchase. A lot of dogs are running around, too, chasing Frisbees and one another. I sort of feel as if I'm at a Grateful Dead concert: the mood is welcoming and unpretentious. This makes sense because a critical part of ultimate is the spirit of the game. Players make their own calls, and they do it honestly. Picks and body contact are not only illegal but also rare and genuinely accidental. If these guys had played us in college, they would have won easily. Yet no matter how loud the players scream, how hard they train or how often they make bruising diving catches it's still recognizably the same game I played back on the meadow all those years ago. In those days, it seemed as if grace was at my fingertips. I launched the disk into space, and there it was: glory. Out on the field in Purchase someone from D.O.G. throws a long bomb into the end zone and the players sprint toward it. On the sidelines, we all watch as the disk floats for long seconds against the sky. It's beautiful. ********** Other than a casually inaccurate statement about how goals are caught, I'd say its pretty durn good. For the web-inclined, its at: http://www.nytimes.com/yr/mo/day/news/arts/weekend-warrior.html. For the hard-copy inclined, its the Friday, 20 November, p. B52. Stephen formerly Gun, now Pocomoke, always Happy From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Nov 20 22:26:58 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id WAA14564 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 22:03:06 GMT Received: from Aqualisa.co.uk (host1.aqualisa.u-net.com [195.102.126.130] (may be forged)) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id WAA14550 for ; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 22:03:01 GMT Received: from notes ([195.102.126.130]) by Aqualisa.co.uk (Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) with SMTP id 802566C2.0078BF02; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 22:01:47 +0000 Envelope-to: Colin.Mountford@Aqualisa.co.uk Delivery-date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 22:01:20 +0000 Received: from (pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk) [137.205.192.19] by mserv1a.u-net.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zgycC-0001bW-00; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 22:01:20 +0000 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id UAA07335 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 20:53:06 GMT Received: from Aqualisa.co.uk (host1.aqualisa.u-net.com [195.102.126.130] (may be forged)) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id UAA07327 for ; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 20:53:02 GMT Received: from notes ([195.102.126.130]) by Aqualisa.co.uk (Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) with SMTP id 802566C2.0072564A; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 20:51:47 +0000 Received: from (pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk) [137.205.192.19] by mserv1b.u-net.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zgxNP-0004yg-00; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 20:41:59 +0000 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id TAA28352 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 19:42:53 GMT Received: from Aqualisa.co.uk (host1.aqualisa.u-net.com [195.102.126.130]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id TAA28347 for ; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 19:42:50 GMT Received: from notes ([195.102.126.130]) by Aqualisa.co.uk (Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) with SMTP id 802566C2.006BED4C; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 19:41:46 +0000 Received: from (pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk) [137.205.192.19] by mserv1a.u-net.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zgwQy-0004Y5-00; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 19:41:36 +0000 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id SAA18439 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 18:32:55 GMT Received: from Aqualisa.co.uk (host1.aqualisa.u-net.com [195.102.126.130]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id SAA18429 for ; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 18:32:53 GMT Received: from notes ([195.102.126.130]) by Aqualisa.co.uk (Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) with SMTP id 802566C2.00658494; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 18:31:45 +0000 Received: from (pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk) [137.205.192.19] by mserv1b.u-net.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zgvBZ-0004d1-00; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 18:21:37 +0000 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id RAA25457 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 17:12:58 GMT Received: from Aqualisa.co.uk (host1.aqualisa.u-net.com [195.102.126.130] (may be forged)) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id RAA25438 for ; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 17:12:54 GMT Received: from notes ([195.102.126.130]) by Aqualisa.co.uk (Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) with SMTP id 802566C2.005E3144; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 17:11:45 +0000 Received: from (pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk) [137.205.192.19] by mserv1a.u-net.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zgtzX-00057X-00; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 17:05:07 +0000 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id PAA02352 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 15:41:16 GMT Received: from spuggie.cen.brad.ac.uk (root@spuggie.cen.brad.ac.uk [143.53.2.18] (may be forged)) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA02219 for ; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 15:40:51 GMT Received: from kite.cen.brad.ac.uk (bjsilcoc@kite.cen.brad.ac.uk [143.53.238.22]) by spuggie.cen.brad.ac.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id PAA09287 for ; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 15:40:48 GMT Received: from localhost (bjsilcoc@localhost) by kite.cen.brad.ac.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id PAA25633 for ; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 15:40:47 GMT Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 15:40:47 +0000 (BST) From: "Flowers never bend with the rainfall." X-Sender: bjsilcoc@kite.cen.brad.ac.uk To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Sorry Guys Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk I would like to apologise about starting a silly discussion, with my mail intitled Indoor injurys, when infact I found out a long time ago that I am soooo skinny that I actually bounce off the hard floor with only a few bruses. I think larger people than myself in my club copy me and thats why we have so many broken bones. Quite frankly as long as I bounce, then I will not stop laying out indoors (But I'm very stupid). But some people will never learn to stop on a sixpence or dive without killing themselves/spectator/team mascot? so when these people get a headrush they are not so fortunate! ie Broken Ankle, 2 wrists, hand, and dislocated knee in 6 weeks! Cheers Ben Disciples & MMJ ***************************************************************************** `'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'` '`'`'`'Benjamin Silcock * Biomedical Sciences * Bradford University '`'`'`'`' `'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'` '`'`'`'`'`If you live life for every moment, Tomorrow never comes`'`'`'`'`'`' `'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'` '`'`'`'`'`When I die, my whole life will be forgotten. Will yours?'`'`'`'`'`' `'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'` ***************************************************************************** From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Nov 20 23:05:29 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id WAA18863 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 22:43:07 GMT Received: from Aqualisa.co.uk (host1.aqualisa.u-net.com [195.102.126.130] (may be forged)) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id WAA18850 for ; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 22:43:03 GMT From: Tebewebb@aol.com Received: from notes ([195.102.126.130]) by Aqualisa.co.uk (Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) with SMTP id 802566C2.007C687D; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 22:41:47 +0000 Envelope-to: Colin.Mountford@Aqualisa.co.uk Delivery-date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 22:35:14 +0000 Received: from (pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk) [137.205.192.19] by mserv1b.u-net.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zgz90-0002Wc-00; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 22:35:14 +0000 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id VAA10448 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 21:23:04 GMT Received: from Aqualisa.co.uk (host1.aqualisa.u-net.com [195.102.126.130] (may be forged)) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id VAA10434 for ; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 21:23:00 GMT Received: from notes ([195.102.126.130]) by Aqualisa.co.uk (Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) with SMTP id 802566C2.00751541; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 21:21:46 +0000 Received: from (pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk) [137.205.192.19] by mserv1b.u-net.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zgxoo-0006I1-00; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 21:10:18 +0000 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id UAA02861 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 20:16:10 GMT Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com (imo12.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.2]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA02855 for ; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 20:16:08 GMT Received: from Tebewebb@aol.com by imo12.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id IINSa03115 for ; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 15:15:25 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <9b697008.3655cddd@aol.com> Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 15:15:25 EST To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Media coverage Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 49 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk A few months back, there was a big splash in the UK about some lousy media coverage given to ultimate (I think it was in Time Out?). Well, of course, not to say that everything is better on the other side, but here is what the New York Times (its a big paper over here - you may have heard of it) had to say: New York Times, November 20, 1998 More Than a Simple Fling: Ultimate Frisbee By JERRY BEILINSON NEW YORK -- My wife doesn't stroke my ego the way she did before we were married. I told her I was going to play ultimate Frisbee, for the first time since college 10 years ago. She said, "Wait, I wanna buy more life insurance first." Then she felt bad and offered to help me find my moldy old cleats, which hadn't been worn in more than a decade. "I don't need cleats," I said. "This is a mellow game. They even said beginners are welcome." Fran looked at me with what I'm pretty sure was pity and told me to drink plenty of water. Two hours later, I'm in Prospect Park in Brooklyn. I'm not quite wheezing yet but my legs feel like lead and my man is running away from me with ease. He crosses into the end zone and catches the disk with the relaxed air of Michael Jordan shooting over, say, a boiled chicken. This guy I'm failing to guard is named John, I think. And I'm not sure, but there may be two Johns here. Either that or all this panting is making me see double. Ultimate is sometimes called Frisbee football, but it's really more like soccer, especially from a cardiovascular perspective. It was invented by some New Jersey high-school students in 1968 and went on to spread through the country and to some extent through the world. Official games have seven players on each side on a field that is 40 by 70 yards, not counting two end zones that are each 25 yards deep. The teams line up on opposite goal lines and one throws off to the other, as with the kickoff in football. But there the similarity to that game ends. Action is continuous. You can't run while holding the Frisbee, but you do run around like crazy trying to get open so your teammate can throw it to you. If you catch a pass, you stop short, pivot on your heel and pass the Frisbee in turn to another player, one who is preferably further up the field. Drop the disk (slang for Frisbee) or throw an interception and the game continues in reverse: while the other team goes on the attack you switch to defense. To score, a team has to pass the Frisbee across the goal line. Then finally play stops, and the teams return to opposite ends of the field to start another point. This is usually a good time for the paramedics to come in and tidy up the likes of me. Like other team athletes, ultimate players scream. In Prospect Park, one guy is shouting: "Stack! Stack! Stack!" Then, it's: "Force home! Force is home!" and other jargon I don't understand. But when my side is on offense, I cut straight at the defender, pivot and run full speed back at my teammate holding the disk. He gets off a pass and I snag it. Someone calls, "Good cut!" My defender is a few inches from me, shouting the stall count: "Stall one! Stall two! Stall three!" If I don't get a pass off by the time he reaches 10, the Frisbee turns over. I fake right, pass left and bury the disk in the grass. "Don't air bounce!" someone screams. I was trying to throw under the arm of the defender and then make the disk curve sharply up into the hands of my teammate. It used to work in college. Back then, in the days when my friends and I ruled intramural ultimate at our Midwest university. Out on the meadow in front of the old library, we'd spend afternoons tossing the disk around. It was translucent, and it traced long arcs in the sky, pure as mathematics, or blistering straight lines. No football or javelin ever had the beauty in flight of a 175-gram ultimate Frisbee. There were a lot of ponytail and earring wearers, late sleepers and guitar players in that group. On game day we'd show up late, warm up with cigarettes and maybe a beer, and win. And we took pleasure in beating the likes of the football fraternity. That team would arrive wearing identical white T-shirts and prepare with lock-step calisthenics. It was skill over strength, physics over physicality, the triumph of the soul over mere substance. But the fit inherit the world. In Prospect Park, my head feels as heavy as my legs and I've retreated to the grass under a shade tree to drink water and watch the game. This is a pretty spot. The field is called the Nethermead, and it's a short walk from the Third Street entrance on Prospect Park West. The lawn is thick and trees are scattered idyllically around the edges. If I do go back in the game and the worst does occur, this might do nicely as my final resting place. After a couple of hours about 30 players have shown up. The game has been going on every Saturday morning, rain, shine or snow, for years. They even played in the big blizzard of 1996, says Scott Bolden, who is not only tireless on the field but also has a sort of world-culture cool going on. He's wearing a striped soccerlike jersey, green shorts and wraparound sunglasses. While this is a pickup game -- beginners welcome and all that -- he explains to me that many of these players also compete on club teams. Competitive ultimate is governed by a somewhat anarchic group called the Ultimate Players Association. There are men's and women's divisions, with a recently begun coed division. College and club leagues are separate; the clubs are better. There's no professional play in ultimate and neither sponsorships nor any officiating. Just a lot of players who can't kick the habit. This is what I love about the game: its classic sporting attitude. Baseball was maybe this cool in the 1880s. Sean Castellino, chatting on the sidelines, tells me that a couple of Prospect Park regulars have been on national championship teams. His own club, F Train, is a "scrub Brooklyn team," he says. I saw the team earlier in the day practicing on another field. It's a hefty notch below New York's best team, the name of which seems to morph from year to year. Right now, it's called the Westchester Summer League All-Stars. I go back into the game. The problem with my regular have-another-doughnut conditioning program is that I can really only play one point before I get too tired to run very hard. After that, I resort to a lazy sort of ultimate- playing defense off my man, mainly staying far from the disk on offense. I retreat to the sidelines again after three points. On the other end of the spectrum is Irina Konvickova, who plays hard for 90 straight minutes, it seems to me, before reluctantly taking a break and letting someone else go in for her. A native of what is now the Czech Republic, she hadn't played the game before moving to the United States. The sport was played only in Prague and she had spent her time competing at the national level in judo. Now, at 28, she has been playing three years. She happens to be the only woman playing on the field today. She lives in Manhattan and used to play at a long-running pickup game in Central Park, but gave it up in favor of the games at Prospect Park. She says she finds the level of play lower in Central Park, and because more people would show up she didn't get to play as much. "I don't like to sit down," she says. "I like to play the whole time." A lower level of play? Less time on the field? I'm there. The next afternoon, Sunday, I'm in Central Park on a field aptly called the Dust Bowl, on the Fifth Avenue side just north of 97th Street. So far, the regeneration of the lawn in Central Park has missed this spot. Instead of being the worst player on the field here I'm just in the bottom 30 percent. Enough players have shown up to make three six-person teams. It works like the pool table at a bar: you win, you keep the field, except that one team never plays more than two games in a row. I play better than I did in Prospect Park. I get in on a couple of plays on offense. And on defense, I manage to stay close enough to the player I'm guarding to preserve my dignity. Once I even jump over him in the end zone to swat away the Frisbee and prevent a score. There's some question as to whether the play is broken up by me or some low-hanging branches, but heck, we get the disk. For me, Central Park will do nicely for now. Still, there's got to be a game out there where I can excel. If not, I'm going to start my own pickup game. Maybe I'll recruit my daughter's friends. They're all in nursery school and some of them are really short. It's a week after Central Park and I'm checking out a higher level of play, but this time there's not a chance I'll get in a game. I've come to the regional club championships of the Ultimate Players Association held at the State University College at Purchase, N.Y. The Westchester All-Stars are playing today; eventually the team will place fourth nationally. So is D.O.G. (for Death or Glory), the Boston team that has won the national championship for four years running, and will go on to do it again this year. They rose to the pinnacle of the game after the breakup of a New York dynasty team, New York, New York, which had won five years in a row. Lady Godiva, the best women's team in the region and the eventual winner at the nationals, is here, too, and steamrollering the competition. A lot of players and some spectators have come to Purchase. A lot of dogs are running around, too, chasing Frisbees and one another. I sort of feel as if I'm at a Grateful Dead concert: the mood is welcoming and unpretentious. This makes sense because a critical part of ultimate is the spirit of the game. Players make their own calls, and they do it honestly. Picks and body contact are not only illegal but also rare and genuinely accidental. If these guys had played us in college, they would have won easily. Yet no matter how loud the players scream, how hard they train or how often they make bruising diving catches it's still recognizably the same game I played back on the meadow all those years ago. In those days, it seemed as if grace was at my fingertips. I launched the disk into space, and there it was: glory. Out on the field in Purchase someone from D.O.G. throws a long bomb into the end zone and the players sprint toward it. On the sidelines, we all watch as the disk floats for long seconds against the sky. It's beautiful. ********** Other than a casually inaccurate statement about how goals are caught, I'd say its pretty durn good. For the web-inclined, its at: http://www.nytimes.com/yr/mo/day/news/arts/weekend-warrior.html. For the hard-copy inclined, its the Friday, 20 November, p. B52. Stephen formerly Gun, now Pocomoke, always Happy From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sat Nov 21 00:29:26 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id AAA00662 for britdisc-outgoing; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 00:13:00 GMT Received: from Aqualisa.co.uk (host1.aqualisa.u-net.com [195.102.126.130] (may be forged)) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id AAA00640 for ; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 00:12:55 GMT From: Tebewebb@aol.com Received: from notes ([195.102.126.130]) by Aqualisa.co.uk (Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) with SMTP id 802566C3.0000D03D; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 00:11:48 +0000 Envelope-to: Colin.Mountford@Aqualisa.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 00:04:55 +0000 Received: from (pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk) [137.205.192.19] by mserv1a.u-net.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zh0Xm-0005WQ-00; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 00:04:54 +0000 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id WAA18863 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 22:43:07 GMT Received: from Aqualisa.co.uk (host1.aqualisa.u-net.com [195.102.126.130] (may be forged)) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id WAA18850 for ; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 22:43:03 GMT Received: from notes ([195.102.126.130]) by Aqualisa.co.uk (Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) with SMTP id 802566C2.007C687D; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 22:41:47 +0000 Received: from (pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk) [137.205.192.19] by mserv1b.u-net.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zgz90-0002Wc-00; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 22:35:14 +0000 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id VAA10448 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 21:23:04 GMT Received: from Aqualisa.co.uk (host1.aqualisa.u-net.com [195.102.126.130] (may be forged)) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id VAA10434 for ; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 21:23:00 GMT Received: from notes ([195.102.126.130]) by Aqualisa.co.uk (Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) with SMTP id 802566C2.00751541; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 21:21:46 +0000 Received: from (pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk) [137.205.192.19] by mserv1b.u-net.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zgxoo-0006I1-00; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 21:10:18 +0000 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id UAA02861 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 20:16:10 GMT Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com (imo12.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.2]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA02855 for ; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 20:16:08 GMT Received: from Tebewebb@aol.com by imo12.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id IINSa03115 for ; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 15:15:25 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <9b697008.3655cddd@aol.com> Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 15:15:25 EST To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Media coverage Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 49 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk A few months back, there was a big splash in the UK about some lousy media coverage given to ultimate (I think it was in Time Out?). Well, of course, not to say that everything is better on the other side, but here is what the New York Times (its a big paper over here - you may have heard of it) had to say: New York Times, November 20, 1998 More Than a Simple Fling: Ultimate Frisbee By JERRY BEILINSON NEW YORK -- My wife doesn't stroke my ego the way she did before we were married. I told her I was going to play ultimate Frisbee, for the first time since college 10 years ago. She said, "Wait, I wanna buy more life insurance first." Then she felt bad and offered to help me find my moldy old cleats, which hadn't been worn in more than a decade. "I don't need cleats," I said. "This is a mellow game. They even said beginners are welcome." Fran looked at me with what I'm pretty sure was pity and told me to drink plenty of water. Two hours later, I'm in Prospect Park in Brooklyn. I'm not quite wheezing yet but my legs feel like lead and my man is running away from me with ease. He crosses into the end zone and catches the disk with the relaxed air of Michael Jordan shooting over, say, a boiled chicken. This guy I'm failing to guard is named John, I think. And I'm not sure, but there may be two Johns here. Either that or all this panting is making me see double. Ultimate is sometimes called Frisbee football, but it's really more like soccer, especially from a cardiovascular perspective. It was invented by some New Jersey high-school students in 1968 and went on to spread through the country and to some extent through the world. Official games have seven players on each side on a field that is 40 by 70 yards, not counting two end zones that are each 25 yards deep. The teams line up on opposite goal lines and one throws off to the other, as with the kickoff in football. But there the similarity to that game ends. Action is continuous. You can't run while holding the Frisbee, but you do run around like crazy trying to get open so your teammate can throw it to you. If you catch a pass, you stop short, pivot on your heel and pass the Frisbee in turn to another player, one who is preferably further up the field. Drop the disk (slang for Frisbee) or throw an interception and the game continues in reverse: while the other team goes on the attack you switch to defense. To score, a team has to pass the Frisbee across the goal line. Then finally play stops, and the teams return to opposite ends of the field to start another point. This is usually a good time for the paramedics to come in and tidy up the likes of me. Like other team athletes, ultimate players scream. In Prospect Park, one guy is shouting: "Stack! Stack! Stack!" Then, it's: "Force home! Force is home!" and other jargon I don't understand. But when my side is on offense, I cut straight at the defender, pivot and run full speed back at my teammate holding the disk. He gets off a pass and I snag it. Someone calls, "Good cut!" My defender is a few inches from me, shouting the stall count: "Stall one! Stall two! Stall three!" If I don't get a pass off by the time he reaches 10, the Frisbee turns over. I fake right, pass left and bury the disk in the grass. "Don't air bounce!" someone screams. I was trying to throw under the arm of the defender and then make the disk curve sharply up into the hands of my teammate. It used to work in college. Back then, in the days when my friends and I ruled intramural ultimate at our Midwest university. Out on the meadow in front of the old library, we'd spend afternoons tossing the disk around. It was translucent, and it traced long arcs in the sky, pure as mathematics, or blistering straight lines. No football or javelin ever had the beauty in flight of a 175-gram ultimate Frisbee. There were a lot of ponytail and earring wearers, late sleepers and guitar players in that group. On game day we'd show up late, warm up with cigarettes and maybe a beer, and win. And we took pleasure in beating the likes of the football fraternity. That team would arrive wearing identical white T-shirts and prepare with lock-step calisthenics. It was skill over strength, physics over physicality, the triumph of the soul over mere substance. But the fit inherit the world. In Prospect Park, my head feels as heavy as my legs and I've retreated to the grass under a shade tree to drink water and watch the game. This is a pretty spot. The field is called the Nethermead, and it's a short walk from the Third Street entrance on Prospect Park West. The lawn is thick and trees are scattered idyllically around the edges. If I do go back in the game and the worst does occur, this might do nicely as my final resting place. After a couple of hours about 30 players have shown up. The game has been going on every Saturday morning, rain, shine or snow, for years. They even played in the big blizzard of 1996, says Scott Bolden, who is not only tireless on the field but also has a sort of world-culture cool going on. He's wearing a striped soccerlike jersey, green shorts and wraparound sunglasses. While this is a pickup game -- beginners welcome and all that -- he explains to me that many of these players also compete on club teams. Competitive ultimate is governed by a somewhat anarchic group called the Ultimate Players Association. There are men's and women's divisions, with a recently begun coed division. College and club leagues are separate; the clubs are better. There's no professional play in ultimate and neither sponsorships nor any officiating. Just a lot of players who can't kick the habit. This is what I love about the game: its classic sporting attitude. Baseball was maybe this cool in the 1880s. Sean Castellino, chatting on the sidelines, tells me that a couple of Prospect Park regulars have been on national championship teams. His own club, F Train, is a "scrub Brooklyn team," he says. I saw the team earlier in the day practicing on another field. It's a hefty notch below New York's best team, the name of which seems to morph from year to year. Right now, it's called the Westchester Summer League All-Stars. I go back into the game. The problem with my regular have-another-doughnut conditioning program is that I can really only play one point before I get too tired to run very hard. After that, I resort to a lazy sort of ultimate- playing defense off my man, mainly staying far from the disk on offense. I retreat to the sidelines again after three points. On the other end of the spectrum is Irina Konvickova, who plays hard for 90 straight minutes, it seems to me, before reluctantly taking a break and letting someone else go in for her. A native of what is now the Czech Republic, she hadn't played the game before moving to the United States. The sport was played only in Prague and she had spent her time competing at the national level in judo. Now, at 28, she has been playing three years. She happens to be the only woman playing on the field today. She lives in Manhattan and used to play at a long-running pickup game in Central Park, but gave it up in favor of the games at Prospect Park. She says she finds the level of play lower in Central Park, and because more people would show up she didn't get to play as much. "I don't like to sit down," she says. "I like to play the whole time." A lower level of play? Less time on the field? I'm there. The next afternoon, Sunday, I'm in Central Park on a field aptly called the Dust Bowl, on the Fifth Avenue side just north of 97th Street. So far, the regeneration of the lawn in Central Park has missed this spot. Instead of being the worst player on the field here I'm just in the bottom 30 percent. Enough players have shown up to make three six-person teams. It works like the pool table at a bar: you win, you keep the field, except that one team never plays more than two games in a row. I play better than I did in Prospect Park. I get in on a couple of plays on offense. And on defense, I manage to stay close enough to the player I'm guarding to preserve my dignity. Once I even jump over him in the end zone to swat away the Frisbee and prevent a score. There's some question as to whether the play is broken up by me or some low-hanging branches, but heck, we get the disk. For me, Central Park will do nicely for now. Still, there's got to be a game out there where I can excel. If not, I'm going to start my own pickup game. Maybe I'll recruit my daughter's friends. They're all in nursery school and some of them are really short. It's a week after Central Park and I'm checking out a higher level of play, but this time there's not a chance I'll get in a game. I've come to the regional club championships of the Ultimate Players Association held at the State University College at Purchase, N.Y. The Westchester All-Stars are playing today; eventually the team will place fourth nationally. So is D.O.G. (for Death or Glory), the Boston team that has won the national championship for four years running, and will go on to do it again this year. They rose to the pinnacle of the game after the breakup of a New York dynasty team, New York, New York, which had won five years in a row. Lady Godiva, the best women's team in the region and the eventual winner at the nationals, is here, too, and steamrollering the competition. A lot of players and some spectators have come to Purchase. A lot of dogs are running around, too, chasing Frisbees and one another. I sort of feel as if I'm at a Grateful Dead concert: the mood is welcoming and unpretentious. This makes sense because a critical part of ultimate is the spirit of the game. Players make their own calls, and they do it honestly. Picks and body contact are not only illegal but also rare and genuinely accidental. If these guys had played us in college, they would have won easily. Yet no matter how loud the players scream, how hard they train or how often they make bruising diving catches it's still recognizably the same game I played back on the meadow all those years ago. In those days, it seemed as if grace was at my fingertips. I launched the disk into space, and there it was: glory. Out on the field in Purchase someone from D.O.G. throws a long bomb into the end zone and the players sprint toward it. On the sidelines, we all watch as the disk floats for long seconds against the sky. It's beautiful. ********** Other than a casually inaccurate statement about how goals are caught, I'd say its pretty durn good. For the web-inclined, its at: http://www.nytimes.com/yr/mo/day/news/arts/weekend-warrior.html. For the hard-copy inclined, its the Friday, 20 November, p. B52. Stephen formerly Gun, now Pocomoke, always Happy From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sat Nov 21 02:01:13 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id BAA08754 for britdisc-outgoing; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 01:43:03 GMT Received: from Aqualisa.co.uk (host1.aqualisa.u-net.com [195.102.126.130] (may be forged)) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id BAA08748 for ; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 01:42:59 GMT From: Tebewebb@aol.com Received: from notes ([195.102.126.130]) by Aqualisa.co.uk (Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) with SMTP id 802566C3.00090E7A; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 01:41:50 +0000 Envelope-to: Colin.Mountford@Aqualisa.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 01:33:29 +0000 Received: from (pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk) [137.205.192.19] by mserv1a.u-net.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zh1vV-0007hq-00; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 01:33:29 +0000 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id AAA00662 for britdisc-outgoing; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 00:13:00 GMT Received: from Aqualisa.co.uk (host1.aqualisa.u-net.com [195.102.126.130] (may be forged)) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id AAA00640 for ; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 00:12:55 GMT Received: from notes ([195.102.126.130]) by Aqualisa.co.uk (Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) with SMTP id 802566C3.0000D03D; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 00:11:48 +0000 Received: from (pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk) [137.205.192.19] by mserv1a.u-net.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zh0Xm-0005WQ-00; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 00:04:54 +0000 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id WAA18863 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 22:43:07 GMT Received: from Aqualisa.co.uk (host1.aqualisa.u-net.com [195.102.126.130] (may be forged)) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id WAA18850 for ; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 22:43:03 GMT Received: from notes ([195.102.126.130]) by Aqualisa.co.uk (Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) with SMTP id 802566C2.007C687D; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 22:41:47 +0000 Received: from (pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk) [137.205.192.19] by mserv1b.u-net.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zgz90-0002Wc-00; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 22:35:14 +0000 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id VAA10448 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 21:23:04 GMT Received: from Aqualisa.co.uk (host1.aqualisa.u-net.com [195.102.126.130] (may be forged)) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id VAA10434 for ; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 21:23:00 GMT Received: from notes ([195.102.126.130]) by Aqualisa.co.uk (Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) with SMTP id 802566C2.00751541; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 21:21:46 +0000 Received: from (pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk) [137.205.192.19] by mserv1b.u-net.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zgxoo-0006I1-00; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 21:10:18 +0000 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id UAA02861 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 20:16:10 GMT Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com (imo12.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.2]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA02855 for ; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 20:16:08 GMT Received: from Tebewebb@aol.com by imo12.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id IINSa03115 for ; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 15:15:25 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <9b697008.3655cddd@aol.com> Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 15:15:25 EST To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Media coverage Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 49 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk A few months back, there was a big splash in the UK about some lousy media coverage given to ultimate (I think it was in Time Out?). Well, of course, not to say that everything is better on the other side, but here is what the New York Times (its a big paper over here - you may have heard of it) had to say: New York Times, November 20, 1998 More Than a Simple Fling: Ultimate Frisbee By JERRY BEILINSON NEW YORK -- My wife doesn't stroke my ego the way she did before we were married. I told her I was going to play ultimate Frisbee, for the first time since college 10 years ago. She said, "Wait, I wanna buy more life insurance first." Then she felt bad and offered to help me find my moldy old cleats, which hadn't been worn in more than a decade. "I don't need cleats," I said. "This is a mellow game. They even said beginners are welcome." Fran looked at me with what I'm pretty sure was pity and told me to drink plenty of water. Two hours later, I'm in Prospect Park in Brooklyn. I'm not quite wheezing yet but my legs feel like lead and my man is running away from me with ease. He crosses into the end zone and catches the disk with the relaxed air of Michael Jordan shooting over, say, a boiled chicken. This guy I'm failing to guard is named John, I think. And I'm not sure, but there may be two Johns here. Either that or all this panting is making me see double. Ultimate is sometimes called Frisbee football, but it's really more like soccer, especially from a cardiovascular perspective. It was invented by some New Jersey high-school students in 1968 and went on to spread through the country and to some extent through the world. Official games have seven players on each side on a field that is 40 by 70 yards, not counting two end zones that are each 25 yards deep. The teams line up on opposite goal lines and one throws off to the other, as with the kickoff in football. But there the similarity to that game ends. Action is continuous. You can't run while holding the Frisbee, but you do run around like crazy trying to get open so your teammate can throw it to you. If you catch a pass, you stop short, pivot on your heel and pass the Frisbee in turn to another player, one who is preferably further up the field. Drop the disk (slang for Frisbee) or throw an interception and the game continues in reverse: while the other team goes on the attack you switch to defense. To score, a team has to pass the Frisbee across the goal line. Then finally play stops, and the teams return to opposite ends of the field to start another point. This is usually a good time for the paramedics to come in and tidy up the likes of me. Like other team athletes, ultimate players scream. In Prospect Park, one guy is shouting: "Stack! Stack! Stack!" Then, it's: "Force home! Force is home!" and other jargon I don't understand. But when my side is on offense, I cut straight at the defender, pivot and run full speed back at my teammate holding the disk. He gets off a pass and I snag it. Someone calls, "Good cut!" My defender is a few inches from me, shouting the stall count: "Stall one! Stall two! Stall three!" If I don't get a pass off by the time he reaches 10, the Frisbee turns over. I fake right, pass left and bury the disk in the grass. "Don't air bounce!" someone screams. I was trying to throw under the arm of the defender and then make the disk curve sharply up into the hands of my teammate. It used to work in college. Back then, in the days when my friends and I ruled intramural ultimate at our Midwest university. Out on the meadow in front of the old library, we'd spend afternoons tossing the disk around. It was translucent, and it traced long arcs in the sky, pure as mathematics, or blistering straight lines. No football or javelin ever had the beauty in flight of a 175-gram ultimate Frisbee. There were a lot of ponytail and earring wearers, late sleepers and guitar players in that group. On game day we'd show up late, warm up with cigarettes and maybe a beer, and win. And we took pleasure in beating the likes of the football fraternity. That team would arrive wearing identical white T-shirts and prepare with lock-step calisthenics. It was skill over strength, physics over physicality, the triumph of the soul over mere substance. But the fit inherit the world. In Prospect Park, my head feels as heavy as my legs and I've retreated to the grass under a shade tree to drink water and watch the game. This is a pretty spot. The field is called the Nethermead, and it's a short walk from the Third Street entrance on Prospect Park West. The lawn is thick and trees are scattered idyllically around the edges. If I do go back in the game and the worst does occur, this might do nicely as my final resting place. After a couple of hours about 30 players have shown up. The game has been going on every Saturday morning, rain, shine or snow, for years. They even played in the big blizzard of 1996, says Scott Bolden, who is not only tireless on the field but also has a sort of world-culture cool going on. He's wearing a striped soccerlike jersey, green shorts and wraparound sunglasses. While this is a pickup game -- beginners welcome and all that -- he explains to me that many of these players also compete on club teams. Competitive ultimate is governed by a somewhat anarchic group called the Ultimate Players Association. There are men's and women's divisions, with a recently begun coed division. College and club leagues are separate; the clubs are better. There's no professional play in ultimate and neither sponsorships nor any officiating. Just a lot of players who can't kick the habit. This is what I love about the game: its classic sporting attitude. Baseball was maybe this cool in the 1880s. Sean Castellino, chatting on the sidelines, tells me that a couple of Prospect Park regulars have been on national championship teams. His own club, F Train, is a "scrub Brooklyn team," he says. I saw the team earlier in the day practicing on another field. It's a hefty notch below New York's best team, the name of which seems to morph from year to year. Right now, it's called the Westchester Summer League All-Stars. I go back into the game. The problem with my regular have-another-doughnut conditioning program is that I can really only play one point before I get too tired to run very hard. After that, I resort to a lazy sort of ultimate- playing defense off my man, mainly staying far from the disk on offense. I retreat to the sidelines again after three points. On the other end of the spectrum is Irina Konvickova, who plays hard for 90 straight minutes, it seems to me, before reluctantly taking a break and letting someone else go in for her. A native of what is now the Czech Republic, she hadn't played the game before moving to the United States. The sport was played only in Prague and she had spent her time competing at the national level in judo. Now, at 28, she has been playing three years. She happens to be the only woman playing on the field today. She lives in Manhattan and used to play at a long-running pickup game in Central Park, but gave it up in favor of the games at Prospect Park. She says she finds the level of play lower in Central Park, and because more people would show up she didn't get to play as much. "I don't like to sit down," she says. "I like to play the whole time." A lower level of play? Less time on the field? I'm there. The next afternoon, Sunday, I'm in Central Park on a field aptly called the Dust Bowl, on the Fifth Avenue side just north of 97th Street. So far, the regeneration of the lawn in Central Park has missed this spot. Instead of being the worst player on the field here I'm just in the bottom 30 percent. Enough players have shown up to make three six-person teams. It works like the pool table at a bar: you win, you keep the field, except that one team never plays more than two games in a row. I play better than I did in Prospect Park. I get in on a couple of plays on offense. And on defense, I manage to stay close enough to the player I'm guarding to preserve my dignity. Once I even jump over him in the end zone to swat away the Frisbee and prevent a score. There's some question as to whether the play is broken up by me or some low-hanging branches, but heck, we get the disk. For me, Central Park will do nicely for now. Still, there's got to be a game out there where I can excel. If not, I'm going to start my own pickup game. Maybe I'll recruit my daughter's friends. They're all in nursery school and some of them are really short. It's a week after Central Park and I'm checking out a higher level of play, but this time there's not a chance I'll get in a game. I've come to the regional club championships of the Ultimate Players Association held at the State University College at Purchase, N.Y. The Westchester All-Stars are playing today; eventually the team will place fourth nationally. So is D.O.G. (for Death or Glory), the Boston team that has won the national championship for four years running, and will go on to do it again this year. They rose to the pinnacle of the game after the breakup of a New York dynasty team, New York, New York, which had won five years in a row. Lady Godiva, the best women's team in the region and the eventual winner at the nationals, is here, too, and steamrollering the competition. A lot of players and some spectators have come to Purchase. A lot of dogs are running around, too, chasing Frisbees and one another. I sort of feel as if I'm at a Grateful Dead concert: the mood is welcoming and unpretentious. This makes sense because a critical part of ultimate is the spirit of the game. Players make their own calls, and they do it honestly. Picks and body contact are not only illegal but also rare and genuinely accidental. If these guys had played us in college, they would have won easily. Yet no matter how loud the players scream, how hard they train or how often they make bruising diving catches it's still recognizably the same game I played back on the meadow all those years ago. In those days, it seemed as if grace was at my fingertips. I launched the disk into space, and there it was: glory. Out on the field in Purchase someone from D.O.G. throws a long bomb into the end zone and the players sprint toward it. On the sidelines, we all watch as the disk floats for long seconds against the sky. It's beautiful. ********** Other than a casually inaccurate statement about how goals are caught, I'd say its pretty durn good. For the web-inclined, its at: http://www.nytimes.com/yr/mo/day/news/arts/weekend-warrior.html. For the hard-copy inclined, its the Friday, 20 November, p. B52. Stephen formerly Gun, now Pocomoke, always Happy From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sat Nov 21 03:36:08 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id DAA14807 for britdisc-outgoing; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 03:13:04 GMT Received: from Aqualisa.co.uk (host1.aqualisa.u-net.com [195.102.126.130] (may be forged)) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id DAA14798 for ; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 03:13:00 GMT From: Tebewebb@aol.com Received: from notes ([195.102.126.130]) by Aqualisa.co.uk (Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) with SMTP id 802566C3.00114B6E; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 03:11:49 +0000 Envelope-to: Colin.Mountford@Aqualisa.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 03:01:45 +0000 Received: from (pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk) [137.205.192.19] by mserv1b.u-net.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zh3Iu-0005t3-00; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 03:01:44 +0000 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id BAA08754 for britdisc-outgoing; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 01:43:03 GMT Received: from Aqualisa.co.uk (host1.aqualisa.u-net.com [195.102.126.130] (may be forged)) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id BAA08748 for ; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 01:42:59 GMT Received: from notes ([195.102.126.130]) by Aqualisa.co.uk (Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) with SMTP id 802566C3.00090E7A; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 01:41:50 +0000 Received: from (pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk) [137.205.192.19] by mserv1a.u-net.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zh1vV-0007hq-00; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 01:33:29 +0000 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id AAA00662 for britdisc-outgoing; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 00:13:00 GMT Received: from Aqualisa.co.uk (host1.aqualisa.u-net.com [195.102.126.130] (may be forged)) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id AAA00640 for ; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 00:12:55 GMT Received: from notes ([195.102.126.130]) by Aqualisa.co.uk (Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) with SMTP id 802566C3.0000D03D; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 00:11:48 +0000 Received: from (pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk) [137.205.192.19] by mserv1a.u-net.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zh0Xm-0005WQ-00; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 00:04:54 +0000 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id WAA18863 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 22:43:07 GMT Received: from Aqualisa.co.uk (host1.aqualisa.u-net.com [195.102.126.130] (may be forged)) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id WAA18850 for ; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 22:43:03 GMT Received: from notes ([195.102.126.130]) by Aqualisa.co.uk (Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) with SMTP id 802566C2.007C687D; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 22:41:47 +0000 Received: from (pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk) [137.205.192.19] by mserv1b.u-net.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zgz90-0002Wc-00; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 22:35:14 +0000 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id VAA10448 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 21:23:04 GMT Received: from Aqualisa.co.uk (host1.aqualisa.u-net.com [195.102.126.130] (may be forged)) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id VAA10434 for ; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 21:23:00 GMT Received: from notes ([195.102.126.130]) by Aqualisa.co.uk (Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) with SMTP id 802566C2.00751541; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 21:21:46 +0000 Received: from (pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk) [137.205.192.19] by mserv1b.u-net.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zgxoo-0006I1-00; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 21:10:18 +0000 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id UAA02861 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 20:16:10 GMT Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com (imo12.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.2]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA02855 for ; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 20:16:08 GMT Received: from Tebewebb@aol.com by imo12.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id IINSa03115 for ; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 15:15:25 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <9b697008.3655cddd@aol.com> Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 15:15:25 EST To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Media coverage Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 49 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk A few months back, there was a big splash in the UK about some lousy media coverage given to ultimate (I think it was in Time Out?). Well, of course, not to say that everything is better on the other side, but here is what the New York Times (its a big paper over here - you may have heard of it) had to say: New York Times, November 20, 1998 More Than a Simple Fling: Ultimate Frisbee By JERRY BEILINSON NEW YORK -- My wife doesn't stroke my ego the way she did before we were married. I told her I was going to play ultimate Frisbee, for the first time since college 10 years ago. She said, "Wait, I wanna buy more life insurance first." Then she felt bad and offered to help me find my moldy old cleats, which hadn't been worn in more than a decade. "I don't need cleats," I said. "This is a mellow game. They even said beginners are welcome." Fran looked at me with what I'm pretty sure was pity and told me to drink plenty of water. Two hours later, I'm in Prospect Park in Brooklyn. I'm not quite wheezing yet but my legs feel like lead and my man is running away from me with ease. He crosses into the end zone and catches the disk with the relaxed air of Michael Jordan shooting over, say, a boiled chicken. This guy I'm failing to guard is named John, I think. And I'm not sure, but there may be two Johns here. Either that or all this panting is making me see double. Ultimate is sometimes called Frisbee football, but it's really more like soccer, especially from a cardiovascular perspective. It was invented by some New Jersey high-school students in 1968 and went on to spread through the country and to some extent through the world. Official games have seven players on each side on a field that is 40 by 70 yards, not counting two end zones that are each 25 yards deep. The teams line up on opposite goal lines and one throws off to the other, as with the kickoff in football. But there the similarity to that game ends. Action is continuous. You can't run while holding the Frisbee, but you do run around like crazy trying to get open so your teammate can throw it to you. If you catch a pass, you stop short, pivot on your heel and pass the Frisbee in turn to another player, one who is preferably further up the field. Drop the disk (slang for Frisbee) or throw an interception and the game continues in reverse: while the other team goes on the attack you switch to defense. To score, a team has to pass the Frisbee across the goal line. Then finally play stops, and the teams return to opposite ends of the field to start another point. This is usually a good time for the paramedics to come in and tidy up the likes of me. Like other team athletes, ultimate players scream. In Prospect Park, one guy is shouting: "Stack! Stack! Stack!" Then, it's: "Force home! Force is home!" and other jargon I don't understand. But when my side is on offense, I cut straight at the defender, pivot and run full speed back at my teammate holding the disk. He gets off a pass and I snag it. Someone calls, "Good cut!" My defender is a few inches from me, shouting the stall count: "Stall one! Stall two! Stall three!" If I don't get a pass off by the time he reaches 10, the Frisbee turns over. I fake right, pass left and bury the disk in the grass. "Don't air bounce!" someone screams. I was trying to throw under the arm of the defender and then make the disk curve sharply up into the hands of my teammate. It used to work in college. Back then, in the days when my friends and I ruled intramural ultimate at our Midwest university. Out on the meadow in front of the old library, we'd spend afternoons tossing the disk around. It was translucent, and it traced long arcs in the sky, pure as mathematics, or blistering straight lines. No football or javelin ever had the beauty in flight of a 175-gram ultimate Frisbee. There were a lot of ponytail and earring wearers, late sleepers and guitar players in that group. On game day we'd show up late, warm up with cigarettes and maybe a beer, and win. And we took pleasure in beating the likes of the football fraternity. That team would arrive wearing identical white T-shirts and prepare with lock-step calisthenics. It was skill over strength, physics over physicality, the triumph of the soul over mere substance. But the fit inherit the world. In Prospect Park, my head feels as heavy as my legs and I've retreated to the grass under a shade tree to drink water and watch the game. This is a pretty spot. The field is called the Nethermead, and it's a short walk from the Third Street entrance on Prospect Park West. The lawn is thick and trees are scattered idyllically around the edges. If I do go back in the game and the worst does occur, this might do nicely as my final resting place. After a couple of hours about 30 players have shown up. The game has been going on every Saturday morning, rain, shine or snow, for years. They even played in the big blizzard of 1996, says Scott Bolden, who is not only tireless on the field but also has a sort of world-culture cool going on. He's wearing a striped soccerlike jersey, green shorts and wraparound sunglasses. While this is a pickup game -- beginners welcome and all that -- he explains to me that many of these players also compete on club teams. Competitive ultimate is governed by a somewhat anarchic group called the Ultimate Players Association. There are men's and women's divisions, with a recently begun coed division. College and club leagues are separate; the clubs are better. There's no professional play in ultimate and neither sponsorships nor any officiating. Just a lot of players who can't kick the habit. This is what I love about the game: its classic sporting attitude. Baseball was maybe this cool in the 1880s. Sean Castellino, chatting on the sidelines, tells me that a couple of Prospect Park regulars have been on national championship teams. His own club, F Train, is a "scrub Brooklyn team," he says. I saw the team earlier in the day practicing on another field. It's a hefty notch below New York's best team, the name of which seems to morph from year to year. Right now, it's called the Westchester Summer League All-Stars. I go back into the game. The problem with my regular have-another-doughnut conditioning program is that I can really only play one point before I get too tired to run very hard. After that, I resort to a lazy sort of ultimate- playing defense off my man, mainly staying far from the disk on offense. I retreat to the sidelines again after three points. On the other end of the spectrum is Irina Konvickova, who plays hard for 90 straight minutes, it seems to me, before reluctantly taking a break and letting someone else go in for her. A native of what is now the Czech Republic, she hadn't played the game before moving to the United States. The sport was played only in Prague and she had spent her time competing at the national level in judo. Now, at 28, she has been playing three years. She happens to be the only woman playing on the field today. She lives in Manhattan and used to play at a long-running pickup game in Central Park, but gave it up in favor of the games at Prospect Park. She says she finds the level of play lower in Central Park, and because more people would show up she didn't get to play as much. "I don't like to sit down," she says. "I like to play the whole time." A lower level of play? Less time on the field? I'm there. The next afternoon, Sunday, I'm in Central Park on a field aptly called the Dust Bowl, on the Fifth Avenue side just north of 97th Street. So far, the regeneration of the lawn in Central Park has missed this spot. Instead of being the worst player on the field here I'm just in the bottom 30 percent. Enough players have shown up to make three six-person teams. It works like the pool table at a bar: you win, you keep the field, except that one team never plays more than two games in a row. I play better than I did in Prospect Park. I get in on a couple of plays on offense. And on defense, I manage to stay close enough to the player I'm guarding to preserve my dignity. Once I even jump over him in the end zone to swat away the Frisbee and prevent a score. There's some question as to whether the play is broken up by me or some low-hanging branches, but heck, we get the disk. For me, Central Park will do nicely for now. Still, there's got to be a game out there where I can excel. If not, I'm going to start my own pickup game. Maybe I'll recruit my daughter's friends. They're all in nursery school and some of them are really short. It's a week after Central Park and I'm checking out a higher level of play, but this time there's not a chance I'll get in a game. I've come to the regional club championships of the Ultimate Players Association held at the State University College at Purchase, N.Y. The Westchester All-Stars are playing today; eventually the team will place fourth nationally. So is D.O.G. (for Death or Glory), the Boston team that has won the national championship for four years running, and will go on to do it again this year. They rose to the pinnacle of the game after the breakup of a New York dynasty team, New York, New York, which had won five years in a row. Lady Godiva, the best women's team in the region and the eventual winner at the nationals, is here, too, and steamrollering the competition. A lot of players and some spectators have come to Purchase. A lot of dogs are running around, too, chasing Frisbees and one another. I sort of feel as if I'm at a Grateful Dead concert: the mood is welcoming and unpretentious. This makes sense because a critical part of ultimate is the spirit of the game. Players make their own calls, and they do it honestly. Picks and body contact are not only illegal but also rare and genuinely accidental. If these guys had played us in college, they would have won easily. Yet no matter how loud the players scream, how hard they train or how often they make bruising diving catches it's still recognizably the same game I played back on the meadow all those years ago. In those days, it seemed as if grace was at my fingertips. I launched the disk into space, and there it was: glory. Out on the field in Purchase someone from D.O.G. throws a long bomb into the end zone and the players sprint toward it. On the sidelines, we all watch as the disk floats for long seconds against the sky. It's beautiful. ********** Other than a casually inaccurate statement about how goals are caught, I'd say its pretty durn good. For the web-inclined, its at: http://www.nytimes.com/yr/mo/day/news/arts/weekend-warrior.html. For the hard-copy inclined, its the Friday, 20 November, p. B52. Stephen formerly Gun, now Pocomoke, always Happy From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sat Nov 21 13:49:47 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id NAA07513 for britdisc-outgoing; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 13:27:30 GMT Received: from teaching.earth.ox.ac.uk (teachserv.earth.ox.ac.uk [163.1.22.10]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA07506 for ; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 13:27:28 GMT Received: (from ug95g10@localhost) by teaching.earth.ox.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id NAA24251; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 13:27:27 GMT Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 13:27:26 +0000 (BST) From: Phil Cooper To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Re: BUSA Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk OK let's open yet another can of worms on Britdisc but this one's mainly for you student types out there: I can think off the top of my head that there are 25 perhaps 30 student teams out there who play. I think, as does the sports administrator in Oxford, that this number of teams playing regularly means that we should have BUSA recognition. However there are two things- does ultimate want or need BUSA recognition? and if we are to get it then we need to club together to petition BUSA in order to gain recognition. This means as ultimate players we must be organised (yeah I know it doesn't come naturally but only an organised offensice is going to work!). I think it can only be good for ultimate to get some form of national recognition as it means that Universities will be forced to look at ultimate as more than just a group of people throwing a frisbee around for a laugh. Perhaps if we can change the opinions of Universities, who are more stuck in their ways than most, we can also change the general perception of the sport which leads to articles like those seen in Time Out a while back! Also has anyone out there tried this before, what were the results? Why were we turned down etc? Thanks a lot, for reading this far, now tell me/britdisc your opinions! Phil Cooper OW! aka Rocks From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sat Nov 21 15:12:24 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id OAA14781 for britdisc-outgoing; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 14:52:09 GMT Received: from Aqualisa.co.uk (host1.aqualisa.u-net.com [195.102.126.130] (may be forged)) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA14776 for ; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 14:52:06 GMT Received: from notes ([195.102.126.130]) by Aqualisa.co.uk (Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) with SMTP id 802566C3.00519464; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 14:51:04 +0000 Envelope-to: Colin.Mountford@Aqualisa.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 14:44:24 +0000 Received: from (pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk) [137.205.192.19] by mserv1b.u-net.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zhEGu-0005yp-00; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 14:44:24 +0000 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id NAA07513 for britdisc-outgoing; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 13:27:30 GMT Received: from teaching.earth.ox.ac.uk (teachserv.earth.ox.ac.uk [163.1.22.10]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA07506 for ; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 13:27:28 GMT Received: (from ug95g10@localhost) by teaching.earth.ox.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id NAA24251; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 13:27:27 GMT Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 13:27:26 +0000 (BST) From: Phil Cooper To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Re: BUSA Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk OK let's open yet another can of worms on Britdisc but this one's mainly for you student types out there: I can think off the top of my head that there are 25 perhaps 30 student teams out there who play. I think, as does the sports administrator in Oxford, that this number of teams playing regularly means that we should have BUSA recognition. However there are two things- does ultimate want or need BUSA recognition? and if we are to get it then we need to club together to petition BUSA in order to gain recognition. This means as ultimate players we must be organised (yeah I know it doesn't come naturally but only an organised offensice is going to work!). I think it can only be good for ultimate to get some form of national recognition as it means that Universities will be forced to look at ultimate as more than just a group of people throwing a frisbee around for a laugh. Perhaps if we can change the opinions of Universities, who are more stuck in their ways than most, we can also change the general perception of the sport which leads to articles like those seen in Time Out a while back! Also has anyone out there tried this before, what were the results? Why were we turned down etc? Thanks a lot, for reading this far, now tell me/britdisc your opinions! Phil Cooper OW! aka Rocks From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sat Nov 21 16:09:54 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id PAA20283 for britdisc-outgoing; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 15:52:28 GMT Received: from Aqualisa.co.uk (host1.aqualisa.u-net.com [195.102.126.130] (may be forged)) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA20277 for ; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 15:52:25 GMT Received: from notes ([195.102.126.130]) by Aqualisa.co.uk (Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) with SMTP id 802566C3.0057123D; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 15:51:03 +0000 Envelope-to: Colin.Mountford@Aqualisa.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 15:47:23 +0000 Received: from (pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk) [137.205.192.19] by mserv1a.u-net.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zhFFq-00019o-00; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 15:47:22 +0000 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id OAA14781 for britdisc-outgoing; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 14:52:09 GMT Received: from Aqualisa.co.uk (host1.aqualisa.u-net.com [195.102.126.130] (may be forged)) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA14776 for ; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 14:52:06 GMT Received: from notes ([195.102.126.130]) by Aqualisa.co.uk (Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) with SMTP id 802566C3.00519464; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 14:51:04 +0000 Received: from (pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk) [137.205.192.19] by mserv1b.u-net.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zhEGu-0005yp-00; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 14:44:24 +0000 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id NAA07513 for britdisc-outgoing; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 13:27:30 GMT Received: from teaching.earth.ox.ac.uk (teachserv.earth.ox.ac.uk [163.1.22.10]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA07506 for ; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 13:27:28 GMT Received: (from ug95g10@localhost) by teaching.earth.ox.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id NAA24251; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 13:27:27 GMT Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 13:27:26 +0000 (BST) From: Phil Cooper To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Re: BUSA Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk OK let's open yet another can of worms on Britdisc but this one's mainly for you student types out there: I can think off the top of my head that there are 25 perhaps 30 student teams out there who play. I think, as does the sports administrator in Oxford, that this number of teams playing regularly means that we should have BUSA recognition. However there are two things- does ultimate want or need BUSA recognition? and if we are to get it then we need to club together to petition BUSA in order to gain recognition. This means as ultimate players we must be organised (yeah I know it doesn't come naturally but only an organised offensice is going to work!). I think it can only be good for ultimate to get some form of national recognition as it means that Universities will be forced to look at ultimate as more than just a group of people throwing a frisbee around for a laugh. Perhaps if we can change the opinions of Universities, who are more stuck in their ways than most, we can also change the general perception of the sport which leads to articles like those seen in Time Out a while back! Also has anyone out there tried this before, what were the results? Why were we turned down etc? Thanks a lot, for reading this far, now tell me/britdisc your opinions! Phil Cooper OW! aka Rocks From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sat Nov 21 17:17:01 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id RAA27704 for britdisc-outgoing; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 17:02:19 GMT Received: from Aqualisa.co.uk (host1.aqualisa.u-net.com [195.102.126.130] (may be forged)) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id RAA27696 for ; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 17:02:17 GMT Received: from notes ([195.102.126.130]) by Aqualisa.co.uk (Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) with SMTP id 802566C3.005D7B1D; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 17:01:03 +0000 Envelope-to: Colin.Mountford@Aqualisa.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 17:01:53 +0000 Received: from (pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk) [137.205.192.19] by mserv1a.u-net.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zhGPw-00035O-00; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 17:01:52 +0000 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id PAA20283 for britdisc-outgoing; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 15:52:28 GMT Received: from Aqualisa.co.uk (host1.aqualisa.u-net.com [195.102.126.130] (may be forged)) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA20277 for ; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 15:52:25 GMT Received: from notes ([195.102.126.130]) by Aqualisa.co.uk (Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) with SMTP id 802566C3.0057123D; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 15:51:03 +0000 Received: from (pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk) [137.205.192.19] by mserv1a.u-net.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zhFFq-00019o-00; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 15:47:22 +0000 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id OAA14781 for britdisc-outgoing; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 14:52:09 GMT Received: from Aqualisa.co.uk (host1.aqualisa.u-net.com [195.102.126.130] (may be forged)) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA14776 for ; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 14:52:06 GMT Received: from notes ([195.102.126.130]) by Aqualisa.co.uk (Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) with SMTP id 802566C3.00519464; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 14:51:04 +0000 Received: from (pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk) [137.205.192.19] by mserv1b.u-net.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zhEGu-0005yp-00; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 14:44:24 +0000 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id NAA07513 for britdisc-outgoing; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 13:27:30 GMT Received: from teaching.earth.ox.ac.uk (teachserv.earth.ox.ac.uk [163.1.22.10]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA07506 for ; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 13:27:28 GMT Received: (from ug95g10@localhost) by teaching.earth.ox.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id NAA24251; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 13:27:27 GMT Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 13:27:26 +0000 (BST) From: Phil Cooper To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Re: BUSA Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk OK let's open yet another can of worms on Britdisc but this one's mainly for you student types out there: I can think off the top of my head that there are 25 perhaps 30 student teams out there who play. I think, as does the sports administrator in Oxford, that this number of teams playing regularly means that we should have BUSA recognition. However there are two things- does ultimate want or need BUSA recognition? and if we are to get it then we need to club together to petition BUSA in order to gain recognition. This means as ultimate players we must be organised (yeah I know it doesn't come naturally but only an organised offensice is going to work!). I think it can only be good for ultimate to get some form of national recognition as it means that Universities will be forced to look at ultimate as more than just a group of people throwing a frisbee around for a laugh. Perhaps if we can change the opinions of Universities, who are more stuck in their ways than most, we can also change the general perception of the sport which leads to articles like those seen in Time Out a while back! Also has anyone out there tried this before, what were the results? Why were we turned down etc? Thanks a lot, for reading this far, now tell me/britdisc your opinions! Phil Cooper OW! aka Rocks From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sat Nov 21 18:15:09 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id SAA04012 for britdisc-outgoing; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 18:02:10 GMT Received: from Aqualisa.co.uk (host1.aqualisa.u-net.com [195.102.126.130] (may be forged)) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id SAA04002 for ; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 18:02:06 GMT Received: from notes ([195.102.126.130]) by Aqualisa.co.uk (Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) with SMTP id 802566C3.0062F983; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 18:01:04 +0000 Envelope-to: Colin.Mountford@Aqualisa.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 17:52:57 +0000 Received: from (pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk) [137.205.192.19] by mserv1a.u-net.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zhHDM-0004Mg-00; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 17:52:56 +0000 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id RAA27704 for britdisc-outgoing; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 17:02:19 GMT Received: from Aqualisa.co.uk (host1.aqualisa.u-net.com [195.102.126.130] (may be forged)) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id RAA27696 for ; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 17:02:17 GMT Received: from notes ([195.102.126.130]) by Aqualisa.co.uk (Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) with SMTP id 802566C3.005D7B1D; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 17:01:03 +0000 Received: from (pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk) [137.205.192.19] by mserv1a.u-net.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zhGPw-00035O-00; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 17:01:52 +0000 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id PAA20283 for britdisc-outgoing; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 15:52:28 GMT Received: from Aqualisa.co.uk (host1.aqualisa.u-net.com [195.102.126.130] (may be forged)) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA20277 for ; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 15:52:25 GMT Received: from notes ([195.102.126.130]) by Aqualisa.co.uk (Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) with SMTP id 802566C3.0057123D; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 15:51:03 +0000 Received: from (pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk) [137.205.192.19] by mserv1a.u-net.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zhFFq-00019o-00; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 15:47:22 +0000 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id OAA14781 for britdisc-outgoing; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 14:52:09 GMT Received: from Aqualisa.co.uk (host1.aqualisa.u-net.com [195.102.126.130] (may be forged)) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA14776 for ; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 14:52:06 GMT Received: from notes ([195.102.126.130]) by Aqualisa.co.uk (Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) with SMTP id 802566C3.00519464; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 14:51:04 +0000 Received: from (pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk) [137.205.192.19] by mserv1b.u-net.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zhEGu-0005yp-00; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 14:44:24 +0000 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id NAA07513 for britdisc-outgoing; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 13:27:30 GMT Received: from teaching.earth.ox.ac.uk (teachserv.earth.ox.ac.uk [163.1.22.10]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA07506 for ; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 13:27:28 GMT Received: (from ug95g10@localhost) by teaching.earth.ox.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id NAA24251; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 13:27:27 GMT Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 13:27:26 +0000 (BST) From: Phil Cooper To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Re: BUSA Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk OK let's open yet another can of worms on Britdisc but this one's mainly for you student types out there: I can think off the top of my head that there are 25 perhaps 30 student teams out there who play. I think, as does the sports administrator in Oxford, that this number of teams playing regularly means that we should have BUSA recognition. However there are two things- does ultimate want or need BUSA recognition? and if we are to get it then we need to club together to petition BUSA in order to gain recognition. This means as ultimate players we must be organised (yeah I know it doesn't come naturally but only an organised offensice is going to work!). I think it can only be good for ultimate to get some form of national recognition as it means that Universities will be forced to look at ultimate as more than just a group of people throwing a frisbee around for a laugh. Perhaps if we can change the opinions of Universities, who are more stuck in their ways than most, we can also change the general perception of the sport which leads to articles like those seen in Time Out a while back! Also has anyone out there tried this before, what were the results? Why were we turned down etc? Thanks a lot, for reading this far, now tell me/britdisc your opinions! Phil Cooper OW! aka Rocks From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sat Nov 21 19:26:02 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id TAA10450 for britdisc-outgoing; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 19:12:32 GMT Received: from Aqualisa.co.uk (host1.aqualisa.u-net.com [195.102.126.130] (may be forged)) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id TAA10436 for ; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 19:12:28 GMT Received: from notes ([195.102.126.130]) by Aqualisa.co.uk (Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) with SMTP id 802566C3.00696245; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 19:11:04 +0000 Envelope-to: Colin.Mountford@Aqualisa.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 19:01:00 +0000 Received: from (pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk) [137.205.192.19] by mserv1b.u-net.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zhIHD-0001lI-00; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 19:00:59 +0000 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id SAA04012 for britdisc-outgoing; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 18:02:10 GMT Received: from Aqualisa.co.uk (host1.aqualisa.u-net.com [195.102.126.130] (may be forged)) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id SAA04002 for ; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 18:02:06 GMT Received: from notes ([195.102.126.130]) by Aqualisa.co.uk (Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) with SMTP id 802566C3.0062F983; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 18:01:04 +0000 Received: from (pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk) [137.205.192.19] by mserv1a.u-net.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zhHDM-0004Mg-00; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 17:52:56 +0000 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id RAA27704 for britdisc-outgoing; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 17:02:19 GMT Received: from Aqualisa.co.uk (host1.aqualisa.u-net.com [195.102.126.130] (may be forged)) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id RAA27696 for ; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 17:02:17 GMT Received: from notes ([195.102.126.130]) by Aqualisa.co.uk (Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) with SMTP id 802566C3.005D7B1D; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 17:01:03 +0000 Received: from (pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk) [137.205.192.19] by mserv1a.u-net.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zhGPw-00035O-00; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 17:01:52 +0000 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id PAA20283 for britdisc-outgoing; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 15:52:28 GMT Received: from Aqualisa.co.uk (host1.aqualisa.u-net.com [195.102.126.130] (may be forged)) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA20277 for ; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 15:52:25 GMT Received: from notes ([195.102.126.130]) by Aqualisa.co.uk (Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) with SMTP id 802566C3.0057123D; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 15:51:03 +0000 Received: from (pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk) [137.205.192.19] by mserv1a.u-net.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zhFFq-00019o-00; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 15:47:22 +0000 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id OAA14781 for britdisc-outgoing; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 14:52:09 GMT Received: from Aqualisa.co.uk (host1.aqualisa.u-net.com [195.102.126.130] (may be forged)) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA14776 for ; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 14:52:06 GMT Received: from notes ([195.102.126.130]) by Aqualisa.co.uk (Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) with SMTP id 802566C3.00519464; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 14:51:04 +0000 Received: from (pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk) [137.205.192.19] by mserv1b.u-net.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zhEGu-0005yp-00; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 14:44:24 +0000 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id NAA07513 for britdisc-outgoing; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 13:27:30 GMT Received: from teaching.earth.ox.ac.uk (teachserv.earth.ox.ac.uk [163.1.22.10]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA07506 for ; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 13:27:28 GMT Received: (from ug95g10@localhost) by teaching.earth.ox.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id NAA24251; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 13:27:27 GMT Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 13:27:26 +0000 (BST) From: Phil Cooper To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Re: BUSA Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk OK let's open yet another can of worms on Britdisc but this one's mainly for you student types out there: I can think off the top of my head that there are 25 perhaps 30 student teams out there who play. I think, as does the sports administrator in Oxford, that this number of teams playing regularly means that we should have BUSA recognition. However there are two things- does ultimate want or need BUSA recognition? and if we are to get it then we need to club together to petition BUSA in order to gain recognition. This means as ultimate players we must be organised (yeah I know it doesn't come naturally but only an organised offensice is going to work!). I think it can only be good for ultimate to get some form of national recognition as it means that Universities will be forced to look at ultimate as more than just a group of people throwing a frisbee around for a laugh. Perhaps if we can change the opinions of Universities, who are more stuck in their ways than most, we can also change the general perception of the sport which leads to articles like those seen in Time Out a while back! Also has anyone out there tried this before, what were the results? Why were we turned down etc? Thanks a lot, for reading this far, now tell me/britdisc your opinions! Phil Cooper OW! aka Rocks From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sat Nov 21 20:15:56 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id UAA14806 for britdisc-outgoing; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 20:02:53 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA14795 for ; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 20:02:51 GMT Received: from [158.152.248.177] (helo=phidelta.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.053 #1) id 0zhJF3-0000kP-00 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 20:02:50 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 19:58:03 +0000 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: Wayne Retter Subject: Re: BUSA In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Trial Version 3.04 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Phil, and others A long time ago, I was a student type and tried what you're suggesting. Back then the seperate Uni and Poly sytems were beginning their combination and BUSA was just off the drawing board. The basic rejection was due to 'not enough interest'. This conclusion was formed on the results of a questionnaire sent to all (BSSF, ie Unis, I think) member establishments and having only X% return the questionnaire, of which only Y% actually had a team established and Z% were interested in hearing more. X, Y and Z were deemed insignificant numbers at the time. Part of my reason for approaching BSSF at the time was that if we could get the 'student' part of Ultimate recognised, events like the Student Regionals/Nationals and further things like Student Leagues would have the additional site/administration resources and maybe funding and seem more 'serious'. The other part was that if we could go to the Sports Council and say "the students are taken seriously" we might have an extra foot on the ladder. I'd suggest that you contact the necessary BUF personnel (Student Coordinator [Dave Barnard], BUF Secretary [Ben Ravillious - a man who must have inherited lots of informative files], Publicity Officer [Jon Hope], and maybe Dave 'Sammy' Neilson and Ian 'Scott' Scotland) to get as much background and progress detail as possible. All the best Wayne Phil Cooper writes >OK let's open yet another can of worms on Britdisc but this one's mainly >for you student types out there: ---------------------------------------------------------------- Wayne Retter at home: 0181-663-4856 wayne@phidelta.demon.co.uk mobile: 07970-903420 at work: 01737-273611 wayne_retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sat Nov 21 20:16:41 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id UAA14815 for britdisc-outgoing; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 20:02:56 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA14797 for ; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 20:02:51 GMT Received: from [158.152.248.177] (helo=phidelta.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.053 #1) id 0zhJF3-0004Yp-00 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 20:02:50 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 20:01:36 +0000 To: BritDisc From: Wayne Retter Subject: The Silly Season MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Trial Version 3.04 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk How to tell it's Indoor Ultimate season again: 1) Gladiators and Blind Date are back on TV 2) UTIndoorsSucks players get injured practising indoors (how's the leg, Col?) Wayne ---------------------------------------------------------------- Wayne Retter at home: 0181-663-4856 wayne@phidelta.demon.co.uk mobile: 07970-903420 at work: 01737-273611 wayne_retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sat Nov 21 21:15:39 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id VAA20487 for britdisc-outgoing; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 21:02:38 GMT Received: from Aqualisa.co.uk (host1.aqualisa.u-net.com [195.102.126.130] (may be forged)) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id VAA20473 for ; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 21:02:36 GMT Received: from notes ([195.102.126.130]) by Aqualisa.co.uk (Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) with SMTP id 802566C3.0073748C; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 21:01:04 +0000 Envelope-to: Colin.Mountford@Aqualisa.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 20:52:33 +0000 Received: from (pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk) [137.205.192.19] by mserv1b.u-net.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zhK1A-0006oG-00; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 20:52:32 +0000 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id UAA14806 for britdisc-outgoing; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 20:02:53 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA14795 for ; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 20:02:51 GMT Received: from [158.152.248.177] (helo=phidelta.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.053 #1) id 0zhJF3-0000kP-00 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 20:02:50 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 19:58:03 +0000 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: Wayne Retter Subject: Re: BUSA In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Trial Version 3.04 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Phil, and others A long time ago, I was a student type and tried what you're suggesting. Back then the seperate Uni and Poly sytems were beginning their combination and BUSA was just off the drawing board. The basic rejection was due to 'not enough interest'. This conclusion was formed on the results of a questionnaire sent to all (BSSF, ie Unis, I think) member establishments and having only X% return the questionnaire, of which only Y% actually had a team established and Z% were interested in hearing more. X, Y and Z were deemed insignificant numbers at the time. Part of my reason for approaching BSSF at the time was that if we could get the 'student' part of Ultimate recognised, events like the Student Regionals/Nationals and further things like Student Leagues would have the additional site/administration resources and maybe funding and seem more 'serious'. The other part was that if we could go to the Sports Council and say "the students are taken seriously" we might have an extra foot on the ladder. I'd suggest that you contact the necessary BUF personnel (Student Coordinator [Dave Barnard], BUF Secretary [Ben Ravillious - a man who must have inherited lots of informative files], Publicity Officer [Jon Hope], and maybe Dave 'Sammy' Neilson and Ian 'Scott' Scotland) to get as much background and progress detail as possible. All the best Wayne Phil Cooper writes >OK let's open yet another can of worms on Britdisc but this one's mainly >for you student types out there: ---------------------------------------------------------------- Wayne Retter at home: 0181-663-4856 wayne@phidelta.demon.co.uk mobile: 07970-903420 at work: 01737-273611 wayne_retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sat Nov 21 21:20:42 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id VAA20479 for britdisc-outgoing; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 21:02:37 GMT Received: from Aqualisa.co.uk (host1.aqualisa.u-net.com [195.102.126.130] (may be forged)) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id VAA20470 for ; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 21:02:35 GMT Received: from notes ([195.102.126.130]) by Aqualisa.co.uk (Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) with SMTP id 802566C3.00737504; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 21:01:06 +0000 Envelope-to: Colin.Mountford@Aqualisa.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 20:52:56 +0000 Received: from (pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk) [137.205.192.19] by mserv1b.u-net.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zhK1Y-0006pM-00; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 20:52:56 +0000 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id UAA14815 for britdisc-outgoing; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 20:02:56 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA14797 for ; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 20:02:51 GMT Received: from [158.152.248.177] (helo=phidelta.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.053 #1) id 0zhJF3-0004Yp-00 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 20:02:50 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 20:01:36 +0000 To: BritDisc From: Wayne Retter Subject: The Silly Season MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Trial Version 3.04 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk How to tell it's Indoor Ultimate season again: 1) Gladiators and Blind Date are back on TV 2) UTIndoorsSucks players get injured practising indoors (how's the leg, Col?) Wayne ---------------------------------------------------------------- Wayne Retter at home: 0181-663-4856 wayne@phidelta.demon.co.uk mobile: 07970-903420 at work: 01737-273611 wayne_retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sat Nov 21 22:05:36 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id VAA24579 for britdisc-outgoing; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 21:52:24 GMT Received: from Aqualisa.co.uk (host1.aqualisa.u-net.com [195.102.126.130] (may be forged)) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id VAA24570 for ; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 21:52:22 GMT Received: from notes ([195.102.126.130]) by Aqualisa.co.uk (Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) with SMTP id 802566C3.00780949; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 21:51:07 +0000 Envelope-to: Colin.Mountford@Aqualisa.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 21:48:03 +0000 Received: from (pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk) [137.205.192.19] by mserv1b.u-net.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zhKst-0001Yi-00; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 21:48:03 +0000 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id VAA20479 for britdisc-outgoing; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 21:02:37 GMT Received: from Aqualisa.co.uk (host1.aqualisa.u-net.com [195.102.126.130] (may be forged)) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id VAA20470 for ; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 21:02:35 GMT Received: from notes ([195.102.126.130]) by Aqualisa.co.uk (Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) with SMTP id 802566C3.00737504; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 21:01:06 +0000 Received: from (pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk) [137.205.192.19] by mserv1b.u-net.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zhK1Y-0006pM-00; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 20:52:56 +0000 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id UAA14815 for britdisc-outgoing; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 20:02:56 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA14797 for ; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 20:02:51 GMT Received: from [158.152.248.177] (helo=phidelta.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.053 #1) id 0zhJF3-0004Yp-00 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 20:02:50 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 20:01:36 +0000 To: BritDisc From: Wayne Retter Subject: The Silly Season MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Trial Version 3.04 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk How to tell it's Indoor Ultimate season again: 1) Gladiators and Blind Date are back on TV 2) UTIndoorsSucks players get injured practising indoors (how's the leg, Col?) Wayne ---------------------------------------------------------------- Wayne Retter at home: 0181-663-4856 wayne@phidelta.demon.co.uk mobile: 07970-903420 at work: 01737-273611 wayne_retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sat Nov 21 22:05:37 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id VAA24583 for britdisc-outgoing; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 21:52:25 GMT Received: from Aqualisa.co.uk (host1.aqualisa.u-net.com [195.102.126.130] (may be forged)) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id VAA24574 for ; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 21:52:23 GMT Received: from notes ([195.102.126.130]) by Aqualisa.co.uk (Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) with SMTP id 802566C3.007808C7; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 21:51:05 +0000 Envelope-to: Colin.Mountford@Aqualisa.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 21:47:32 +0000 Received: from (pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk) [137.205.192.19] by mserv1b.u-net.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zhKsO-0001Xv-00; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 21:47:32 +0000 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id VAA20487 for britdisc-outgoing; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 21:02:38 GMT Received: from Aqualisa.co.uk (host1.aqualisa.u-net.com [195.102.126.130] (may be forged)) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id VAA20473 for ; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 21:02:36 GMT Received: from notes ([195.102.126.130]) by Aqualisa.co.uk (Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) with SMTP id 802566C3.0073748C; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 21:01:04 +0000 Received: from (pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk) [137.205.192.19] by mserv1b.u-net.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zhK1A-0006oG-00; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 20:52:32 +0000 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id UAA14806 for britdisc-outgoing; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 20:02:53 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA14795 for ; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 20:02:51 GMT Received: from [158.152.248.177] (helo=phidelta.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.053 #1) id 0zhJF3-0000kP-00 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 20:02:50 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 19:58:03 +0000 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: Wayne Retter Subject: Re: BUSA In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Trial Version 3.04 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Phil, and others A long time ago, I was a student type and tried what you're suggesting. Back then the seperate Uni and Poly sytems were beginning their combination and BUSA was just off the drawing board. The basic rejection was due to 'not enough interest'. This conclusion was formed on the results of a questionnaire sent to all (BSSF, ie Unis, I think) member establishments and having only X% return the questionnaire, of which only Y% actually had a team established and Z% were interested in hearing more. X, Y and Z were deemed insignificant numbers at the time. Part of my reason for approaching BSSF at the time was that if we could get the 'student' part of Ultimate recognised, events like the Student Regionals/Nationals and further things like Student Leagues would have the additional site/administration resources and maybe funding and seem more 'serious'. The other part was that if we could go to the Sports Council and say "the students are taken seriously" we might have an extra foot on the ladder. I'd suggest that you contact the necessary BUF personnel (Student Coordinator [Dave Barnard], BUF Secretary [Ben Ravillious - a man who must have inherited lots of informative files], Publicity Officer [Jon Hope], and maybe Dave 'Sammy' Neilson and Ian 'Scott' Scotland) to get as much background and progress detail as possible. All the best Wayne Phil Cooper writes >OK let's open yet another can of worms on Britdisc but this one's mainly >for you student types out there: ---------------------------------------------------------------- Wayne Retter at home: 0181-663-4856 wayne@phidelta.demon.co.uk mobile: 07970-903420 at work: 01737-273611 wayne_retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sat Nov 21 22:51:42 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id WAA28397 for britdisc-outgoing; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 22:38:18 GMT Received: from mail-gw1.webleicester.net (mailgate.webleicester.co.uk [195.146.160.12]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA28391 for ; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 22:38:16 GMT Received: from pii266 (pool-pri1-003.webleicester.co.uk [195.146.164.3]) by mail-gw1.webleicester.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id WAA15808 for ; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 22:33:16 GMT Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 22:43:36 -0000 Message-ID: <01BE15A0.601FCCC0.bravil@webleicester.co.uk> From: Ben Ravilious Reply-To: "bravil@webleicester.co.uk" To: "britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk" Subject: Re: BUSA Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 22:42:45 -0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Any official recognition is a good thing. Once we've sorted the World Clubs stuff out I'm sure the BUF committee will want to discuss BUSA. Any further information which players have would be useful but please don't go making any formal approaches to BUSA until the BUF committee has had time to think about it. Cheers Ben Ravilious BUF Secretary "Your email is in a queueing system and will be answered when one of our operatives becomes available.........." -----Original Message----- From: Wayne Retter [SMTP:wayne@phidelta.demon.co.uk] Sent: 21 November 1998 19:58 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Re: BUSA Phil, and others A long time ago, I was a student type and tried what you're suggesting. Back then the seperate Uni and Poly sytems were beginning their combination and BUSA was just off the drawing board. The basic rejection was due to 'not enough interest'. This conclusion was formed on the results of a questionnaire sent to all (BSSF, ie Unis, I think) member establishments and having only X% return the questionnaire, of which only Y% actually had a team established and Z% were interested in hearing more. X, Y and Z were deemed insignificant numbers at the time. Part of my reason for approaching BSSF at the time was that if we could get the 'student' part of Ultimate recognised, events like the Student Regionals/Nationals and further things like Student Leagues would have the additional site/administration resources and maybe funding and seem more 'serious'. The other part was that if we could go to the Sports Council and say "the students are taken seriously" we might have an extra foot on the ladder. I'd suggest that you contact the necessary BUF personnel (Student Coordinator [Dave Barnard], BUF Secretary [Ben Ravillious - a man who must have inherited lots of informative files], Publicity Officer [Jon Hope], and maybe Dave 'Sammy' Neilson and Ian 'Scott' Scotland) to get as much background and progress detail as possible. All the best Wayne Phil Cooper writes >OK let's open yet another can of worms on Britdisc but this one's mainly >for you student types out there: ---------------------------------------------------------------- Wayne Retter at home: 0181-663-4856 wayne@phidelta.demon.co.uk mobile: 07970-903420 at work: 01737-273611 wayne_retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sat Nov 21 22:55:27 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id WAA29764 for britdisc-outgoing; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 22:52:16 GMT Received: from Aqualisa.co.uk (host1.aqualisa.u-net.com [195.102.126.130] (may be forged)) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id WAA29755 for ; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 22:52:13 GMT Received: from notes ([195.102.126.130]) by Aqualisa.co.uk (Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) with SMTP id 802566C3.007D8737; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 22:51:06 +0000 Envelope-to: Colin.Mountford@Aqualisa.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 22:39:52 +0000 Received: from (pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk) [137.205.192.19] by mserv1b.u-net.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zhLh1-00049v-00; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 22:39:51 +0000 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id VAA24583 for britdisc-outgoing; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 21:52:25 GMT Received: from Aqualisa.co.uk (host1.aqualisa.u-net.com [195.102.126.130] (may be forged)) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id VAA24574 for ; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 21:52:23 GMT Received: from notes ([195.102.126.130]) by Aqualisa.co.uk (Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) with SMTP id 802566C3.007808C7; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 21:51:05 +0000 Received: from (pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk) [137.205.192.19] by mserv1b.u-net.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zhKsO-0001Xv-00; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 21:47:32 +0000 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id VAA20487 for britdisc-outgoing; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 21:02:38 GMT Received: from Aqualisa.co.uk (host1.aqualisa.u-net.com [195.102.126.130] (may be forged)) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id VAA20473 for ; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 21:02:36 GMT Received: from notes ([195.102.126.130]) by Aqualisa.co.uk (Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) with SMTP id 802566C3.0073748C; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 21:01:04 +0000 Received: from (pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk) [137.205.192.19] by mserv1b.u-net.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zhK1A-0006oG-00; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 20:52:32 +0000 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id UAA14806 for britdisc-outgoing; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 20:02:53 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA14795 for ; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 20:02:51 GMT Received: from [158.152.248.177] (helo=phidelta.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.053 #1) id 0zhJF3-0000kP-00 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 20:02:50 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 19:58:03 +0000 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: Wayne Retter Subject: Re: BUSA In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Trial Version 3.04 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Phil, and others A long time ago, I was a student type and tried what you're suggesting. Back then the seperate Uni and Poly sytems were beginning their combination and BUSA was just off the drawing board. The basic rejection was due to 'not enough interest'. This conclusion was formed on the results of a questionnaire sent to all (BSSF, ie Unis, I think) member establishments and having only X% return the questionnaire, of which only Y% actually had a team established and Z% were interested in hearing more. X, Y and Z were deemed insignificant numbers at the time. Part of my reason for approaching BSSF at the time was that if we could get the 'student' part of Ultimate recognised, events like the Student Regionals/Nationals and further things like Student Leagues would have the additional site/administration resources and maybe funding and seem more 'serious'. The other part was that if we could go to the Sports Council and say "the students are taken seriously" we might have an extra foot on the ladder. I'd suggest that you contact the necessary BUF personnel (Student Coordinator [Dave Barnard], BUF Secretary [Ben Ravillious - a man who must have inherited lots of informative files], Publicity Officer [Jon Hope], and maybe Dave 'Sammy' Neilson and Ian 'Scott' Scotland) to get as much background and progress detail as possible. All the best Wayne Phil Cooper writes >OK let's open yet another can of worms on Britdisc but this one's mainly >for you student types out there: ---------------------------------------------------------------- Wayne Retter at home: 0181-663-4856 wayne@phidelta.demon.co.uk mobile: 07970-903420 at work: 01737-273611 wayne_retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sat Nov 21 22:55:29 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id WAA29760 for britdisc-outgoing; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 22:52:15 GMT Received: from Aqualisa.co.uk (host1.aqualisa.u-net.com [195.102.126.130] (may be forged)) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id WAA29753 for ; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 22:52:12 GMT Received: from notes ([195.102.126.130]) by Aqualisa.co.uk (Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) with SMTP id 802566C3.007D87C3; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 22:51:07 +0000 Envelope-to: Colin.Mountford@Aqualisa.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 22:43:59 +0000 Received: from (pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk) [137.205.192.19] by mserv1b.u-net.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zhLl1-0004O4-00; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 22:43:59 +0000 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id VAA24579 for britdisc-outgoing; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 21:52:24 GMT Received: from Aqualisa.co.uk (host1.aqualisa.u-net.com [195.102.126.130] (may be forged)) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id VAA24570 for ; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 21:52:22 GMT Received: from notes ([195.102.126.130]) by Aqualisa.co.uk (Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) with SMTP id 802566C3.00780949; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 21:51:07 +0000 Received: from (pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk) [137.205.192.19] by mserv1b.u-net.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zhKst-0001Yi-00; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 21:48:03 +0000 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id VAA20479 for britdisc-outgoing; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 21:02:37 GMT Received: from Aqualisa.co.uk (host1.aqualisa.u-net.com [195.102.126.130] (may be forged)) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id VAA20470 for ; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 21:02:35 GMT Received: from notes ([195.102.126.130]) by Aqualisa.co.uk (Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) with SMTP id 802566C3.00737504; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 21:01:06 +0000 Received: from (pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk) [137.205.192.19] by mserv1b.u-net.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zhK1Y-0006pM-00; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 20:52:56 +0000 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id UAA14815 for britdisc-outgoing; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 20:02:56 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA14797 for ; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 20:02:51 GMT Received: from [158.152.248.177] (helo=phidelta.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.053 #1) id 0zhJF3-0004Yp-00 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 20:02:50 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 20:01:36 +0000 To: BritDisc From: Wayne Retter Subject: The Silly Season MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Trial Version 3.04 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk How to tell it's Indoor Ultimate season again: 1) Gladiators and Blind Date are back on TV 2) UTIndoorsSucks players get injured practising indoors (how's the leg, Col?) Wayne ---------------------------------------------------------------- Wayne Retter at home: 0181-663-4856 wayne@phidelta.demon.co.uk mobile: 07970-903420 at work: 01737-273611 wayne_retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sat Nov 21 23:57:35 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id XAA03925 for britdisc-outgoing; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 23:42:34 GMT Received: from Aqualisa.co.uk (host1.aqualisa.u-net.com [195.102.126.130] (may be forged)) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id XAA03913 for ; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 23:42:31 GMT Received: from notes ([195.102.126.130]) by Aqualisa.co.uk (Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) with SMTP id 802566C3.00821B90; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 23:41:07 +0000 Envelope-to: Colin.Mountford@Aqualisa.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 23:33:32 +0000 Received: from (pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk) [137.205.192.19] by mserv1a.u-net.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zhMWx-0004pk-00; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 23:33:31 +0000 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id WAA29764 for britdisc-outgoing; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 22:52:16 GMT Received: from Aqualisa.co.uk (host1.aqualisa.u-net.com [195.102.126.130] (may be forged)) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id WAA29755 for ; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 22:52:13 GMT Received: from notes ([195.102.126.130]) by Aqualisa.co.uk (Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) with SMTP id 802566C3.007D8737; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 22:51:06 +0000 Received: from (pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk) [137.205.192.19] by mserv1b.u-net.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zhLh1-00049v-00; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 22:39:51 +0000 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id VAA24583 for britdisc-outgoing; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 21:52:25 GMT Received: from Aqualisa.co.uk (host1.aqualisa.u-net.com [195.102.126.130] (may be forged)) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id VAA24574 for ; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 21:52:23 GMT Received: from notes ([195.102.126.130]) by Aqualisa.co.uk (Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) with SMTP id 802566C3.007808C7; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 21:51:05 +0000 Received: from (pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk) [137.205.192.19] by mserv1b.u-net.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zhKsO-0001Xv-00; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 21:47:32 +0000 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id VAA20487 for britdisc-outgoing; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 21:02:38 GMT Received: from Aqualisa.co.uk (host1.aqualisa.u-net.com [195.102.126.130] (may be forged)) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id VAA20473 for ; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 21:02:36 GMT Received: from notes ([195.102.126.130]) by Aqualisa.co.uk (Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) with SMTP id 802566C3.0073748C; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 21:01:04 +0000 Received: from (pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk) [137.205.192.19] by mserv1b.u-net.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zhK1A-0006oG-00; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 20:52:32 +0000 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id UAA14806 for britdisc-outgoing; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 20:02:53 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA14795 for ; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 20:02:51 GMT Received: from [158.152.248.177] (helo=phidelta.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.053 #1) id 0zhJF3-0000kP-00 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 20:02:50 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 19:58:03 +0000 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: Wayne Retter Subject: Re: BUSA In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Trial Version 3.04 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Phil, and others A long time ago, I was a student type and tried what you're suggesting. Back then the seperate Uni and Poly sytems were beginning their combination and BUSA was just off the drawing board. The basic rejection was due to 'not enough interest'. This conclusion was formed on the results of a questionnaire sent to all (BSSF, ie Unis, I think) member establishments and having only X% return the questionnaire, of which only Y% actually had a team established and Z% were interested in hearing more. X, Y and Z were deemed insignificant numbers at the time. Part of my reason for approaching BSSF at the time was that if we could get the 'student' part of Ultimate recognised, events like the Student Regionals/Nationals and further things like Student Leagues would have the additional site/administration resources and maybe funding and seem more 'serious'. The other part was that if we could go to the Sports Council and say "the students are taken seriously" we might have an extra foot on the ladder. I'd suggest that you contact the necessary BUF personnel (Student Coordinator [Dave Barnard], BUF Secretary [Ben Ravillious - a man who must have inherited lots of informative files], Publicity Officer [Jon Hope], and maybe Dave 'Sammy' Neilson and Ian 'Scott' Scotland) to get as much background and progress detail as possible. All the best Wayne Phil Cooper writes >OK let's open yet another can of worms on Britdisc but this one's mainly >for you student types out there: ---------------------------------------------------------------- Wayne Retter at home: 0181-663-4856 wayne@phidelta.demon.co.uk mobile: 07970-903420 at work: 01737-273611 wayne_retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sat Nov 21 23:57:36 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id XAA03929 for britdisc-outgoing; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 23:42:35 GMT Received: from Aqualisa.co.uk (host1.aqualisa.u-net.com [195.102.126.130] (may be forged)) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id XAA03919 for ; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 23:42:32 GMT Received: from notes ([195.102.126.130]) by Aqualisa.co.uk (Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) with SMTP id 802566C3.00821AFA; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 23:41:06 +0000 Envelope-to: Colin.Mountford@Aqualisa.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 23:33:18 +0000 Received: from (pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk) [137.205.192.19] by mserv1a.u-net.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zhMWj-0004pR-00; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 23:33:17 +0000 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id WAA28397 for britdisc-outgoing; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 22:38:18 GMT Received: from mail-gw1.webleicester.net (mailgate.webleicester.co.uk [195.146.160.12]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA28391 for ; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 22:38:16 GMT Received: from pii266 (pool-pri1-003.webleicester.co.uk [195.146.164.3]) by mail-gw1.webleicester.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id WAA15808 for ; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 22:33:16 GMT Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 22:43:36 -0000 Message-ID: <01BE15A0.601FCCC0.bravil@webleicester.co.uk> From: Ben Ravilious Reply-To: "bravil@webleicester.co.uk" To: "britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk" Subject: Re: BUSA Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 22:42:45 -0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Any official recognition is a good thing. Once we've sorted the World Clubs stuff out I'm sure the BUF committee will want to discuss BUSA. Any further information which players have would be useful but please don't go making any formal approaches to BUSA until the BUF committee has had time to think about it. Cheers Ben Ravilious BUF Secretary "Your email is in a queueing system and will be answered when one of our operatives becomes available.........." -----Original Message----- From: Wayne Retter [SMTP:wayne@phidelta.demon.co.uk] Sent: 21 November 1998 19:58 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Re: BUSA Phil, and others A long time ago, I was a student type and tried what you're suggesting. Back then the seperate Uni and Poly sytems were beginning their combination and BUSA was just off the drawing board. The basic rejection was due to 'not enough interest'. This conclusion was formed on the results of a questionnaire sent to all (BSSF, ie Unis, I think) member establishments and having only X% return the questionnaire, of which only Y% actually had a team established and Z% were interested in hearing more. X, Y and Z were deemed insignificant numbers at the time. Part of my reason for approaching BSSF at the time was that if we could get the 'student' part of Ultimate recognised, events like the Student Regionals/Nationals and further things like Student Leagues would have the additional site/administration resources and maybe funding and seem more 'serious'. The other part was that if we could go to the Sports Council and say "the students are taken seriously" we might have an extra foot on the ladder. I'd suggest that you contact the necessary BUF personnel (Student Coordinator [Dave Barnard], BUF Secretary [Ben Ravillious - a man who must have inherited lots of informative files], Publicity Officer [Jon Hope], and maybe Dave 'Sammy' Neilson and Ian 'Scott' Scotland) to get as much background and progress detail as possible. All the best Wayne Phil Cooper writes >OK let's open yet another can of worms on Britdisc but this one's mainly >for you student types out there: ---------------------------------------------------------------- Wayne Retter at home: 0181-663-4856 wayne@phidelta.demon.co.uk mobile: 07970-903420 at work: 01737-273611 wayne_retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sat Nov 21 23:58:17 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id XAA03920 for britdisc-outgoing; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 23:42:33 GMT Received: from Aqualisa.co.uk (host1.aqualisa.u-net.com [195.102.126.130] (may be forged)) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id XAA03911 for ; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 23:42:30 GMT Received: from notes ([195.102.126.130]) by Aqualisa.co.uk (Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) with SMTP id 802566C3.00821C1D; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 23:41:08 +0000 Envelope-to: Colin.Mountford@Aqualisa.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 23:33:40 +0000 Received: from (pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk) [137.205.192.19] by mserv1a.u-net.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zhMX5-0004pt-00; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 23:33:39 +0000 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id WAA29760 for britdisc-outgoing; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 22:52:15 GMT Received: from Aqualisa.co.uk (host1.aqualisa.u-net.com [195.102.126.130] (may be forged)) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id WAA29753 for ; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 22:52:12 GMT Received: from notes ([195.102.126.130]) by Aqualisa.co.uk (Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) with SMTP id 802566C3.007D87C3; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 22:51:07 +0000 Received: from (pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk) [137.205.192.19] by mserv1b.u-net.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zhLl1-0004O4-00; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 22:43:59 +0000 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id VAA24579 for britdisc-outgoing; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 21:52:24 GMT Received: from Aqualisa.co.uk (host1.aqualisa.u-net.com [195.102.126.130] (may be forged)) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id VAA24570 for ; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 21:52:22 GMT Received: from notes ([195.102.126.130]) by Aqualisa.co.uk (Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) with SMTP id 802566C3.00780949; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 21:51:07 +0000 Received: from (pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk) [137.205.192.19] by mserv1b.u-net.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zhKst-0001Yi-00; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 21:48:03 +0000 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id VAA20479 for britdisc-outgoing; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 21:02:37 GMT Received: from Aqualisa.co.uk (host1.aqualisa.u-net.com [195.102.126.130] (may be forged)) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id VAA20470 for ; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 21:02:35 GMT Received: from notes ([195.102.126.130]) by Aqualisa.co.uk (Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) with SMTP id 802566C3.00737504; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 21:01:06 +0000 Received: from (pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk) [137.205.192.19] by mserv1b.u-net.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zhK1Y-0006pM-00; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 20:52:56 +0000 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id UAA14815 for britdisc-outgoing; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 20:02:56 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA14797 for ; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 20:02:51 GMT Received: from [158.152.248.177] (helo=phidelta.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.053 #1) id 0zhJF3-0004Yp-00 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 20:02:50 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 20:01:36 +0000 To: BritDisc From: Wayne Retter Subject: The Silly Season MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Trial Version 3.04 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk How to tell it's Indoor Ultimate season again: 1) Gladiators and Blind Date are back on TV 2) UTIndoorsSucks players get injured practising indoors (how's the leg, Col?) Wayne ---------------------------------------------------------------- Wayne Retter at home: 0181-663-4856 wayne@phidelta.demon.co.uk mobile: 07970-903420 at work: 01737-273611 wayne_retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sun Nov 22 01:06:26 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id AAA11189 for britdisc-outgoing; Sun, 22 Nov 1998 00:52:35 GMT Received: from Aqualisa.co.uk (host1.aqualisa.u-net.com [195.102.126.130] (may be forged)) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id AAA11175 for ; Sun, 22 Nov 1998 00:52:32 GMT Received: from notes ([195.102.126.130]) by Aqualisa.co.uk (Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) with SMTP id 802566C4.0004ADE4; Sun, 22 Nov 1998 00:51:06 +0000 Envelope-to: Colin.Mountford@Aqualisa.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 00:44:26 +0000 Received: from (pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk) [137.205.192.19] by mserv1b.u-net.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zhNdZ-0001pk-00; Sun, 22 Nov 1998 00:44:25 +0000 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id XAA03920 for britdisc-outgoing; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 23:42:33 GMT Received: from Aqualisa.co.uk (host1.aqualisa.u-net.com [195.102.126.130] (may be forged)) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id XAA03911 for ; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 23:42:30 GMT Received: from notes ([195.102.126.130]) by Aqualisa.co.uk (Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) with SMTP id 802566C3.00821C1D; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 23:41:08 +0000 Received: from (pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk) [137.205.192.19] by mserv1a.u-net.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zhMX5-0004pt-00; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 23:33:39 +0000 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id WAA29760 for britdisc-outgoing; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 22:52:15 GMT Received: from Aqualisa.co.uk (host1.aqualisa.u-net.com [195.102.126.130] (may be forged)) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id WAA29753 for ; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 22:52:12 GMT Received: from notes ([195.102.126.130]) by Aqualisa.co.uk (Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) with SMTP id 802566C3.007D87C3; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 22:51:07 +0000 Received: from (pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk) [137.205.192.19] by mserv1b.u-net.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zhLl1-0004O4-00; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 22:43:59 +0000 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id VAA24579 for britdisc-outgoing; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 21:52:24 GMT Received: from Aqualisa.co.uk (host1.aqualisa.u-net.com [195.102.126.130] (may be forged)) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id VAA24570 for ; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 21:52:22 GMT Received: from notes ([195.102.126.130]) by Aqualisa.co.uk (Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) with SMTP id 802566C3.00780949; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 21:51:07 +0000 Received: from (pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk) [137.205.192.19] by mserv1b.u-net.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zhKst-0001Yi-00; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 21:48:03 +0000 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id VAA20479 for britdisc-outgoing; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 21:02:37 GMT Received: from Aqualisa.co.uk (host1.aqualisa.u-net.com [195.102.126.130] (may be forged)) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id VAA20470 for ; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 21:02:35 GMT Received: from notes ([195.102.126.130]) by Aqualisa.co.uk (Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) with SMTP id 802566C3.00737504; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 21:01:06 +0000 Received: from (pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk) [137.205.192.19] by mserv1b.u-net.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zhK1Y-0006pM-00; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 20:52:56 +0000 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id UAA14815 for britdisc-outgoing; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 20:02:56 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA14797 for ; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 20:02:51 GMT Received: from [158.152.248.177] (helo=phidelta.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.053 #1) id 0zhJF3-0004Yp-00 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 20:02:50 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 20:01:36 +0000 To: BritDisc From: Wayne Retter Subject: The Silly Season MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Trial Version 3.04 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk How to tell it's Indoor Ultimate season again: 1) Gladiators and Blind Date are back on TV 2) UTIndoorsSucks players get injured practising indoors (how's the leg, Col?) Wayne ---------------------------------------------------------------- Wayne Retter at home: 0181-663-4856 wayne@phidelta.demon.co.uk mobile: 07970-903420 at work: 01737-273611 wayne_retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sun Nov 22 01:06:30 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id AAA11173 for britdisc-outgoing; Sun, 22 Nov 1998 00:52:32 GMT Received: from Aqualisa.co.uk (host1.aqualisa.u-net.com [195.102.126.130] (may be forged)) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id AAA11166 for ; Sun, 22 Nov 1998 00:52:28 GMT Received: from notes ([195.102.126.130]) by Aqualisa.co.uk (Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) with SMTP id 802566C4.0004AEFC; Sun, 22 Nov 1998 00:51:09 +0000 Envelope-to: Colin.Mountford@Aqualisa.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 00:44:55 +0000 Received: from (pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk) [137.205.192.19] by mserv1b.u-net.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zhNe3-0001qI-00; Sun, 22 Nov 1998 00:44:55 +0000 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id XAA03929 for britdisc-outgoing; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 23:42:35 GMT Received: from Aqualisa.co.uk (host1.aqualisa.u-net.com [195.102.126.130] (may be forged)) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id XAA03919 for ; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 23:42:32 GMT Received: from notes ([195.102.126.130]) by Aqualisa.co.uk (Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) with SMTP id 802566C3.00821AFA; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 23:41:06 +0000 Received: from (pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk) [137.205.192.19] by mserv1a.u-net.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zhMWj-0004pR-00; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 23:33:17 +0000 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id WAA28397 for britdisc-outgoing; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 22:38:18 GMT Received: from mail-gw1.webleicester.net (mailgate.webleicester.co.uk [195.146.160.12]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA28391 for ; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 22:38:16 GMT Received: from pii266 (pool-pri1-003.webleicester.co.uk [195.146.164.3]) by mail-gw1.webleicester.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id WAA15808 for ; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 22:33:16 GMT Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 22:43:36 -0000 Message-ID: <01BE15A0.601FCCC0.bravil@webleicester.co.uk> From: Ben Ravilious Reply-To: "bravil@webleicester.co.uk" To: "britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk" Subject: Re: BUSA Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 22:42:45 -0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Any official recognition is a good thing. Once we've sorted the World Clubs stuff out I'm sure the BUF committee will want to discuss BUSA. Any further information which players have would be useful but please don't go making any formal approaches to BUSA until the BUF committee has had time to think about it. Cheers Ben Ravilious BUF Secretary "Your email is in a queueing system and will be answered when one of our operatives becomes available.........." -----Original Message----- From: Wayne Retter [SMTP:wayne@phidelta.demon.co.uk] Sent: 21 November 1998 19:58 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Re: BUSA Phil, and others A long time ago, I was a student type and tried what you're suggesting. Back then the seperate Uni and Poly sytems were beginning their combination and BUSA was just off the drawing board. The basic rejection was due to 'not enough interest'. This conclusion was formed on the results of a questionnaire sent to all (BSSF, ie Unis, I think) member establishments and having only X% return the questionnaire, of which only Y% actually had a team established and Z% were interested in hearing more. X, Y and Z were deemed insignificant numbers at the time. Part of my reason for approaching BSSF at the time was that if we could get the 'student' part of Ultimate recognised, events like the Student Regionals/Nationals and further things like Student Leagues would have the additional site/administration resources and maybe funding and seem more 'serious'. The other part was that if we could go to the Sports Council and say "the students are taken seriously" we might have an extra foot on the ladder. I'd suggest that you contact the necessary BUF personnel (Student Coordinator [Dave Barnard], BUF Secretary [Ben Ravillious - a man who must have inherited lots of informative files], Publicity Officer [Jon Hope], and maybe Dave 'Sammy' Neilson and Ian 'Scott' Scotland) to get as much background and progress detail as possible. All the best Wayne Phil Cooper writes >OK let's open yet another can of worms on Britdisc but this one's mainly >for you student types out there: ---------------------------------------------------------------- Wayne Retter at home: 0181-663-4856 wayne@phidelta.demon.co.uk mobile: 07970-903420 at work: 01737-273611 wayne_retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sun Nov 22 01:06:55 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id AAA11182 for britdisc-outgoing; Sun, 22 Nov 1998 00:52:34 GMT Received: from Aqualisa.co.uk (host1.aqualisa.u-net.com [195.102.126.130] (may be forged)) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id AAA11168 for ; Sun, 22 Nov 1998 00:52:31 GMT Received: from notes ([195.102.126.130]) by Aqualisa.co.uk (Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) with SMTP id 802566C4.0004AE7A; Sun, 22 Nov 1998 00:51:08 +0000 Envelope-to: Colin.Mountford@Aqualisa.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 00:44:39 +0000 Received: from (pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk) [137.205.192.19] by mserv1b.u-net.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zhNdn-0001q5-00; Sun, 22 Nov 1998 00:44:39 +0000 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id XAA03925 for britdisc-outgoing; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 23:42:34 GMT Received: from Aqualisa.co.uk (host1.aqualisa.u-net.com [195.102.126.130] (may be forged)) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id XAA03913 for ; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 23:42:31 GMT Received: from notes ([195.102.126.130]) by Aqualisa.co.uk (Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) with SMTP id 802566C3.00821B90; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 23:41:07 +0000 Received: from (pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk) [137.205.192.19] by mserv1a.u-net.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zhMWx-0004pk-00; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 23:33:31 +0000 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id WAA29764 for britdisc-outgoing; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 22:52:16 GMT Received: from Aqualisa.co.uk (host1.aqualisa.u-net.com [195.102.126.130] (may be forged)) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id WAA29755 for ; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 22:52:13 GMT Received: from notes ([195.102.126.130]) by Aqualisa.co.uk (Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) with SMTP id 802566C3.007D8737; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 22:51:06 +0000 Received: from (pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk) [137.205.192.19] by mserv1b.u-net.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zhLh1-00049v-00; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 22:39:51 +0000 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id VAA24583 for britdisc-outgoing; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 21:52:25 GMT Received: from Aqualisa.co.uk (host1.aqualisa.u-net.com [195.102.126.130] (may be forged)) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id VAA24574 for ; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 21:52:23 GMT Received: from notes ([195.102.126.130]) by Aqualisa.co.uk (Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) with SMTP id 802566C3.007808C7; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 21:51:05 +0000 Received: from (pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk) [137.205.192.19] by mserv1b.u-net.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zhKsO-0001Xv-00; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 21:47:32 +0000 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id VAA20487 for britdisc-outgoing; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 21:02:38 GMT Received: from Aqualisa.co.uk (host1.aqualisa.u-net.com [195.102.126.130] (may be forged)) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id VAA20473 for ; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 21:02:36 GMT Received: from notes ([195.102.126.130]) by Aqualisa.co.uk (Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) with SMTP id 802566C3.0073748C; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 21:01:04 +0000 Received: from (pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk) [137.205.192.19] by mserv1b.u-net.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zhK1A-0006oG-00; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 20:52:32 +0000 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id UAA14806 for britdisc-outgoing; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 20:02:53 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA14795 for ; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 20:02:51 GMT Received: from [158.152.248.177] (helo=phidelta.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.053 #1) id 0zhJF3-0000kP-00 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 20:02:50 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 19:58:03 +0000 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: Wayne Retter Subject: Re: BUSA In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Trial Version 3.04 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Phil, and others A long time ago, I was a student type and tried what you're suggesting. Back then the seperate Uni and Poly sytems were beginning their combination and BUSA was just off the drawing board. The basic rejection was due to 'not enough interest'. This conclusion was formed on the results of a questionnaire sent to all (BSSF, ie Unis, I think) member establishments and having only X% return the questionnaire, of which only Y% actually had a team established and Z% were interested in hearing more. X, Y and Z were deemed insignificant numbers at the time. Part of my reason for approaching BSSF at the time was that if we could get the 'student' part of Ultimate recognised, events like the Student Regionals/Nationals and further things like Student Leagues would have the additional site/administration resources and maybe funding and seem more 'serious'. The other part was that if we could go to the Sports Council and say "the students are taken seriously" we might have an extra foot on the ladder. I'd suggest that you contact the necessary BUF personnel (Student Coordinator [Dave Barnard], BUF Secretary [Ben Ravillious - a man who must have inherited lots of informative files], Publicity Officer [Jon Hope], and maybe Dave 'Sammy' Neilson and Ian 'Scott' Scotland) to get as much background and progress detail as possible. All the best Wayne Phil Cooper writes >OK let's open yet another can of worms on Britdisc but this one's mainly >for you student types out there: ---------------------------------------------------------------- Wayne Retter at home: 0181-663-4856 wayne@phidelta.demon.co.uk mobile: 07970-903420 at work: 01737-273611 wayne_retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sun Nov 22 02:06:04 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id BAA16465 for britdisc-outgoing; Sun, 22 Nov 1998 01:52:23 GMT Received: from Aqualisa.co.uk (host1.aqualisa.u-net.com [195.102.126.130] (may be forged)) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id BAA16453 for ; Sun, 22 Nov 1998 01:52:20 GMT Received: from notes ([195.102.126.130]) by Aqualisa.co.uk (Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) with SMTP id 802566C4.000A2CD5; Sun, 22 Nov 1998 01:51:08 +0000 Envelope-to: Colin.Mountford@Aqualisa.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 01:46:51 +0000 Received: from (pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk) [137.205.192.19] by mserv1a.u-net.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zhObz-0007Jc-00; Sun, 22 Nov 1998 01:46:51 +0000 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id AAA11173 for britdisc-outgoing; Sun, 22 Nov 1998 00:52:32 GMT Received: from Aqualisa.co.uk (host1.aqualisa.u-net.com [195.102.126.130] (may be forged)) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id AAA11166 for ; Sun, 22 Nov 1998 00:52:28 GMT Received: from notes ([195.102.126.130]) by Aqualisa.co.uk (Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) with SMTP id 802566C4.0004AEFC; Sun, 22 Nov 1998 00:51:09 +0000 Received: from (pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk) [137.205.192.19] by mserv1b.u-net.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zhNe3-0001qI-00; Sun, 22 Nov 1998 00:44:55 +0000 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id XAA03929 for britdisc-outgoing; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 23:42:35 GMT Received: from Aqualisa.co.uk (host1.aqualisa.u-net.com [195.102.126.130] (may be forged)) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id XAA03919 for ; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 23:42:32 GMT Received: from notes ([195.102.126.130]) by Aqualisa.co.uk (Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) with SMTP id 802566C3.00821AFA; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 23:41:06 +0000 Received: from (pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk) [137.205.192.19] by mserv1a.u-net.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zhMWj-0004pR-00; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 23:33:17 +0000 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id WAA28397 for britdisc-outgoing; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 22:38:18 GMT Received: from mail-gw1.webleicester.net (mailgate.webleicester.co.uk [195.146.160.12]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA28391 for ; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 22:38:16 GMT Received: from pii266 (pool-pri1-003.webleicester.co.uk [195.146.164.3]) by mail-gw1.webleicester.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id WAA15808 for ; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 22:33:16 GMT Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 22:43:36 -0000 Message-ID: <01BE15A0.601FCCC0.bravil@webleicester.co.uk> From: Ben Ravilious Reply-To: "bravil@webleicester.co.uk" To: "britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk" Subject: Re: BUSA Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 22:42:45 -0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Any official recognition is a good thing. Once we've sorted the World Clubs stuff out I'm sure the BUF committee will want to discuss BUSA. Any further information which players have would be useful but please don't go making any formal approaches to BUSA until the BUF committee has had time to think about it. Cheers Ben Ravilious BUF Secretary "Your email is in a queueing system and will be answered when one of our operatives becomes available.........." -----Original Message----- From: Wayne Retter [SMTP:wayne@phidelta.demon.co.uk] Sent: 21 November 1998 19:58 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Re: BUSA Phil, and others A long time ago, I was a student type and tried what you're suggesting. Back then the seperate Uni and Poly sytems were beginning their combination and BUSA was just off the drawing board. The basic rejection was due to 'not enough interest'. This conclusion was formed on the results of a questionnaire sent to all (BSSF, ie Unis, I think) member establishments and having only X% return the questionnaire, of which only Y% actually had a team established and Z% were interested in hearing more. X, Y and Z were deemed insignificant numbers at the time. Part of my reason for approaching BSSF at the time was that if we could get the 'student' part of Ultimate recognised, events like the Student Regionals/Nationals and further things like Student Leagues would have the additional site/administration resources and maybe funding and seem more 'serious'. The other part was that if we could go to the Sports Council and say "the students are taken seriously" we might have an extra foot on the ladder. I'd suggest that you contact the necessary BUF personnel (Student Coordinator [Dave Barnard], BUF Secretary [Ben Ravillious - a man who must have inherited lots of informative files], Publicity Officer [Jon Hope], and maybe Dave 'Sammy' Neilson and Ian 'Scott' Scotland) to get as much background and progress detail as possible. All the best Wayne Phil Cooper writes >OK let's open yet another can of worms on Britdisc but this one's mainly >for you student types out there: ---------------------------------------------------------------- Wayne Retter at home: 0181-663-4856 wayne@phidelta.demon.co.uk mobile: 07970-903420 at work: 01737-273611 wayne_retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sun Nov 22 03:18:21 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id DAA20795 for britdisc-outgoing; Sun, 22 Nov 1998 03:02:19 GMT Received: from Aqualisa.co.uk (host1.aqualisa.u-net.com [195.102.126.130] (may be forged)) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id DAA20790 for ; Sun, 22 Nov 1998 03:02:16 GMT Received: from notes ([195.102.126.130]) by Aqualisa.co.uk (Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) with SMTP id 802566C4.0010951F; Sun, 22 Nov 1998 03:01:07 +0000 Envelope-to: Colin.Mountford@Aqualisa.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 02:59:34 +0000 Received: from (pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk) [137.205.192.19] by mserv1a.u-net.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zhPkM-0000XU-00; Sun, 22 Nov 1998 02:59:34 +0000 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id BAA16465 for britdisc-outgoing; Sun, 22 Nov 1998 01:52:23 GMT Received: from Aqualisa.co.uk (host1.aqualisa.u-net.com [195.102.126.130] (may be forged)) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id BAA16453 for ; Sun, 22 Nov 1998 01:52:20 GMT Received: from notes ([195.102.126.130]) by Aqualisa.co.uk (Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) with SMTP id 802566C4.000A2CD5; Sun, 22 Nov 1998 01:51:08 +0000 Received: from (pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk) [137.205.192.19] by mserv1a.u-net.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zhObz-0007Jc-00; Sun, 22 Nov 1998 01:46:51 +0000 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id AAA11173 for britdisc-outgoing; Sun, 22 Nov 1998 00:52:32 GMT Received: from Aqualisa.co.uk (host1.aqualisa.u-net.com [195.102.126.130] (may be forged)) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id AAA11166 for ; Sun, 22 Nov 1998 00:52:28 GMT Received: from notes ([195.102.126.130]) by Aqualisa.co.uk (Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) with SMTP id 802566C4.0004AEFC; Sun, 22 Nov 1998 00:51:09 +0000 Received: from (pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk) [137.205.192.19] by mserv1b.u-net.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zhNe3-0001qI-00; Sun, 22 Nov 1998 00:44:55 +0000 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id XAA03929 for britdisc-outgoing; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 23:42:35 GMT Received: from Aqualisa.co.uk (host1.aqualisa.u-net.com [195.102.126.130] (may be forged)) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id XAA03919 for ; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 23:42:32 GMT Received: from notes ([195.102.126.130]) by Aqualisa.co.uk (Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) with SMTP id 802566C3.00821AFA; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 23:41:06 +0000 Received: from (pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk) [137.205.192.19] by mserv1a.u-net.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zhMWj-0004pR-00; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 23:33:17 +0000 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id WAA28397 for britdisc-outgoing; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 22:38:18 GMT Received: from mail-gw1.webleicester.net (mailgate.webleicester.co.uk [195.146.160.12]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA28391 for ; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 22:38:16 GMT Received: from pii266 (pool-pri1-003.webleicester.co.uk [195.146.164.3]) by mail-gw1.webleicester.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id WAA15808 for ; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 22:33:16 GMT Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 22:43:36 -0000 Message-ID: <01BE15A0.601FCCC0.bravil@webleicester.co.uk> From: Ben Ravilious Reply-To: "bravil@webleicester.co.uk" To: "britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk" Subject: Re: BUSA Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 22:42:45 -0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Any official recognition is a good thing. Once we've sorted the World Clubs stuff out I'm sure the BUF committee will want to discuss BUSA. Any further information which players have would be useful but please don't go making any formal approaches to BUSA until the BUF committee has had time to think about it. Cheers Ben Ravilious BUF Secretary "Your email is in a queueing system and will be answered when one of our operatives becomes available.........." -----Original Message----- From: Wayne Retter [SMTP:wayne@phidelta.demon.co.uk] Sent: 21 November 1998 19:58 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Re: BUSA Phil, and others A long time ago, I was a student type and tried what you're suggesting. Back then the seperate Uni and Poly sytems were beginning their combination and BUSA was just off the drawing board. The basic rejection was due to 'not enough interest'. This conclusion was formed on the results of a questionnaire sent to all (BSSF, ie Unis, I think) member establishments and having only X% return the questionnaire, of which only Y% actually had a team established and Z% were interested in hearing more. X, Y and Z were deemed insignificant numbers at the time. Part of my reason for approaching BSSF at the time was that if we could get the 'student' part of Ultimate recognised, events like the Student Regionals/Nationals and further things like Student Leagues would have the additional site/administration resources and maybe funding and seem more 'serious'. The other part was that if we could go to the Sports Council and say "the students are taken seriously" we might have an extra foot on the ladder. I'd suggest that you contact the necessary BUF personnel (Student Coordinator [Dave Barnard], BUF Secretary [Ben Ravillious - a man who must have inherited lots of informative files], Publicity Officer [Jon Hope], and maybe Dave 'Sammy' Neilson and Ian 'Scott' Scotland) to get as much background and progress detail as possible. All the best Wayne Phil Cooper writes >OK let's open yet another can of worms on Britdisc but this one's mainly >for you student types out there: ---------------------------------------------------------------- Wayne Retter at home: 0181-663-4856 wayne@phidelta.demon.co.uk mobile: 07970-903420 at work: 01737-273611 wayne_retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sun Nov 22 04:31:21 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id EAA23515 for britdisc-outgoing; Sun, 22 Nov 1998 04:02:40 GMT Received: from Aqualisa.co.uk (host1.aqualisa.u-net.com [195.102.126.130] (may be forged)) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id EAA23509 for ; Sun, 22 Nov 1998 04:02:37 GMT Received: from notes ([195.102.126.130]) by Aqualisa.co.uk (Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) with SMTP id 802566C4.001613FD; Sun, 22 Nov 1998 04:01:09 +0000 Envelope-to: Colin.Mountford@Aqualisa.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 04:00:30 +0000 Received: from (pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk) [137.205.192.19] by mserv1a.u-net.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zhQhJ-0001K8-00; Sun, 22 Nov 1998 04:00:29 +0000 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id DAA20795 for britdisc-outgoing; Sun, 22 Nov 1998 03:02:19 GMT Received: from Aqualisa.co.uk (host1.aqualisa.u-net.com [195.102.126.130] (may be forged)) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id DAA20790 for ; Sun, 22 Nov 1998 03:02:16 GMT Received: from notes ([195.102.126.130]) by Aqualisa.co.uk (Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) with SMTP id 802566C4.0010951F; Sun, 22 Nov 1998 03:01:07 +0000 Received: from (pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk) [137.205.192.19] by mserv1a.u-net.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zhPkM-0000XU-00; Sun, 22 Nov 1998 02:59:34 +0000 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id BAA16465 for britdisc-outgoing; Sun, 22 Nov 1998 01:52:23 GMT Received: from Aqualisa.co.uk (host1.aqualisa.u-net.com [195.102.126.130] (may be forged)) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id BAA16453 for ; Sun, 22 Nov 1998 01:52:20 GMT Received: from notes ([195.102.126.130]) by Aqualisa.co.uk (Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) with SMTP id 802566C4.000A2CD5; Sun, 22 Nov 1998 01:51:08 +0000 Received: from (pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk) [137.205.192.19] by mserv1a.u-net.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zhObz-0007Jc-00; Sun, 22 Nov 1998 01:46:51 +0000 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id AAA11173 for britdisc-outgoing; Sun, 22 Nov 1998 00:52:32 GMT Received: from Aqualisa.co.uk (host1.aqualisa.u-net.com [195.102.126.130] (may be forged)) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id AAA11166 for ; Sun, 22 Nov 1998 00:52:28 GMT Received: from notes ([195.102.126.130]) by Aqualisa.co.uk (Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) with SMTP id 802566C4.0004AEFC; Sun, 22 Nov 1998 00:51:09 +0000 Received: from (pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk) [137.205.192.19] by mserv1b.u-net.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zhNe3-0001qI-00; Sun, 22 Nov 1998 00:44:55 +0000 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id XAA03929 for britdisc-outgoing; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 23:42:35 GMT Received: from Aqualisa.co.uk (host1.aqualisa.u-net.com [195.102.126.130] (may be forged)) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id XAA03919 for ; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 23:42:32 GMT Received: from notes ([195.102.126.130]) by Aqualisa.co.uk (Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) with SMTP id 802566C3.00821AFA; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 23:41:06 +0000 Received: from (pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk) [137.205.192.19] by mserv1a.u-net.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zhMWj-0004pR-00; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 23:33:17 +0000 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id WAA28397 for britdisc-outgoing; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 22:38:18 GMT Received: from mail-gw1.webleicester.net (mailgate.webleicester.co.uk [195.146.160.12]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA28391 for ; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 22:38:16 GMT Received: from pii266 (pool-pri1-003.webleicester.co.uk [195.146.164.3]) by mail-gw1.webleicester.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id WAA15808 for ; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 22:33:16 GMT Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 22:43:36 -0000 Message-ID: <01BE15A0.601FCCC0.bravil@webleicester.co.uk> From: Ben Ravilious Reply-To: "bravil@webleicester.co.uk" To: "britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk" Subject: Re: BUSA Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 22:42:45 -0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Any official recognition is a good thing. Once we've sorted the World Clubs stuff out I'm sure the BUF committee will want to discuss BUSA. Any further information which players have would be useful but please don't go making any formal approaches to BUSA until the BUF committee has had time to think about it. Cheers Ben Ravilious BUF Secretary "Your email is in a queueing system and will be answered when one of our operatives becomes available.........." -----Original Message----- From: Wayne Retter [SMTP:wayne@phidelta.demon.co.uk] Sent: 21 November 1998 19:58 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Re: BUSA Phil, and others A long time ago, I was a student type and tried what you're suggesting. Back then the seperate Uni and Poly sytems were beginning their combination and BUSA was just off the drawing board. The basic rejection was due to 'not enough interest'. This conclusion was formed on the results of a questionnaire sent to all (BSSF, ie Unis, I think) member establishments and having only X% return the questionnaire, of which only Y% actually had a team established and Z% were interested in hearing more. X, Y and Z were deemed insignificant numbers at the time. Part of my reason for approaching BSSF at the time was that if we could get the 'student' part of Ultimate recognised, events like the Student Regionals/Nationals and further things like Student Leagues would have the additional site/administration resources and maybe funding and seem more 'serious'. The other part was that if we could go to the Sports Council and say "the students are taken seriously" we might have an extra foot on the ladder. I'd suggest that you contact the necessary BUF personnel (Student Coordinator [Dave Barnard], BUF Secretary [Ben Ravillious - a man who must have inherited lots of informative files], Publicity Officer [Jon Hope], and maybe Dave 'Sammy' Neilson and Ian 'Scott' Scotland) to get as much background and progress detail as possible. All the best Wayne Phil Cooper writes >OK let's open yet another can of worms on Britdisc but this one's mainly >for you student types out there: ---------------------------------------------------------------- Wayne Retter at home: 0181-663-4856 wayne@phidelta.demon.co.uk mobile: 07970-903420 at work: 01737-273611 wayne_retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Nov 23 10:24:24 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA10174 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 10:01:38 GMT Received: from clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@clover-fddi [137.205.4.2]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA09883 for ; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 10:01:09 GMT Received: from gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (ralf@gem [137.205.227.1]) by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA12436 for ; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 07:47:04 GMT Received: (from ralf@localhost) by gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id HAA19167 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 07:47:02 GMT Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 07:47:02 GMT From: Ranulf Doswell Message-Id: <199811230747.HAA19167@gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: BFDF Events Reminder Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk British Flying Disc Federation Disc Events Diary ------------------------------------------------ The events list can also be found at http://www.dcs.warwick.ac.uk/~ralf/bfdf/ ---------- Saturday 28th November 1998 Student Indoor South West Qualifiers (2 days) @ Cardiff [Students' Indoor Ultimate] Contact Dave Barnard Email BarnardDW@cardiff.ac.uk Phone 0411 691129 Blue Arse Flies Tourny (EGO WANG FEST) (2 days) [Indoor Ultimate] Cost: GBP 80 per team, payable by 22/11/98 Contact Guy Kennet Email guy.kennett@meuk.mee.com Contact Merrick Cardew Address Lan-kidden Murcot Turn Broadway Worcs WR12 7HT Email merrick.cardew@g4tech.co.uk Phone 01386 830136 (home) 01684 277144 (work) Saturday 19th December 1998 Southampton Indoors (2 days) [Indoor Ultimate] Contact Suzanne Penfold Email scp195@soton.ac.uk Saturday 9th January 1999 Red Co-ed Indoors (2 days) @ Aylestone Leisure Centre, Leicester. [Indoor Ultimate] note change of venue Contact Leicester Ultimate Club (Red) Address PO Box 1075 Leicester LE2 1YQ Email red@ultimateweb.co.uk Phone 0116 2559638 (Ben Ravilious) Saturday 16th January 1999 Newport Indoors (2 days) @ Newport [Indoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Address 81 Bittern Avenue Abbeydale Gloucester GL4 4WG Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Phone 01242 543299 (work) 01452 380529 (home) Saturday 13th February 1999 Warwick Indoors (2 days) [Indoor Ultimate] Contact Mike Clements (Percy) Email ecumu@csv.warwick.ac.uk URL http://www.csv.warwick.ac.uk/~suaaz/ Women's Indoor Nationals (2 days) @ The University of Leeds [Women's Indoor Ultimate] Contact Rachel Jacobs Email lec6rej@leeds.ac.uk Phone 0113 224 2891 Saturday 27th February 1999 National Student Indoors (2 days) @ Leeds [Students' Indoor Ultimate] TD Jon Chewins Email bgy6jgc@South-02.novell.leeds.ac.uk Saturday 6th March 1999 Indoor Regionals (2 days) [Indoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Address 81 Bittern Avenue Abbeydale Gloucester GL4 4WG Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Phone 01242 543299 (work) 01452 380529 (home) Saturday 13th March 1999 Indoor Regionals (2 days) [Indoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Address 81 Bittern Avenue Abbeydale Gloucester GL4 4WG Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Phone 01242 543299 (work) 01452 380529 (home) Saturday 20th March 1999 Indoor Nationals (2 days) [Indoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Address 81 Bittern Avenue Abbeydale Gloucester GL4 4WG Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Phone 01242 543299 (work) 01452 380529 (home) Saturday 27th March 1999 Red Outdoors (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Leicester Ultimate Club (Red) Address PO Box 1075 Leicester LE2 1YQ Email red@ultimateweb.co.uk Phone 0116 2559638 (Ben Ravilious) Saturday 3rd April 1999 Dublin Outdoors (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 10th April 1999 Tour I (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Address 81 Bittern Avenue Abbeydale Gloucester GL4 4WG Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Phone 01242 543299 (work) 01452 380529 (home) Saturday 1st May 1999 Brugge (2 days) TBC [Outdoor Ultimate Abroad] Saturday 8th May 1999 Tour II (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Address 81 Bittern Avenue Abbeydale Gloucester GL4 4WG Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Phone 01242 543299 (work) 01452 380529 (home) Thursday 13th May 1999 Rotterdam (4 days) TBC [Outdoor Ultimate Abroad] Saturday 5th June 1999 Tour III (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Address 81 Bittern Avenue Abbeydale Gloucester GL4 4WG Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Phone 01242 543299 (work) 01452 380529 (home) Saturday 12th June 1999 Fiesta (2 days) TBC [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Laura Lafave Email lafave@cs.bris.ac.uk Phone (w) +44-117-954 5128 Saturday 26th June 1999 Tour IV (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Address 81 Bittern Avenue Abbeydale Gloucester GL4 4WG Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Phone 01242 543299 (work) 01452 380529 (home) Saturday 17th July 1999 Tour V (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Address 81 Bittern Avenue Abbeydale Gloucester GL4 4WG Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Phone 01242 543299 (work) 01452 380529 (home) Saturday 24th July 1999 Ross on Wye (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 7th August 1999 Worlds (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate Abroad] Saturday 14th August 1999 Worlds (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate Abroad] Saturday 25th September 1999 Nationals (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Address 81 Bittern Avenue Abbeydale Gloucester GL4 4WG Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Phone 01242 543299 (work) 01452 380529 (home) ---------------------------------------------------------- British Flying Disc Federation Disc Events Diary http://www.dcs.warwick.ac.uk/~ralf/bfdf/ Ranulf Doswell, ralf@dcs.warwick.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Nov 23 11:40:20 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id LAA13285 for britdisc-outgoing; 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Mon, 23 Nov 1998 07:47:04 GMT Received: (from ralf@localhost) by gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id HAA19167 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 07:47:02 GMT Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 07:47:02 GMT From: Ranulf Doswell Message-Id: <199811230747.HAA19167@gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: BFDF Events Reminder Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk British Flying Disc Federation Disc Events Diary ------------------------------------------------ The events list can also be found at http://www.dcs.warwick.ac.uk/~ralf/bfdf/ ---------- Saturday 28th November 1998 Student Indoor South West Qualifiers (2 days) @ Cardiff [Students' Indoor Ultimate] Contact Dave Barnard Email BarnardDW@cardiff.ac.uk Phone 0411 691129 Blue Arse Flies Tourny (EGO WANG FEST) (2 days) [Indoor Ultimate] Cost: GBP 80 per team, payable by 22/11/98 Contact Guy Kennet Email guy.kennett@meuk.mee.com Contact Merrick Cardew Address Lan-kidden Murcot Turn Broadway Worcs WR12 7HT Email merrick.cardew@g4tech.co.uk Phone 01386 830136 (home) 01684 277144 (work) Saturday 19th December 1998 Southampton Indoors (2 days) [Indoor Ultimate] Contact Suzanne Penfold Email scp195@soton.ac.uk Saturday 9th January 1999 Red Co-ed Indoors (2 days) @ Aylestone Leisure Centre, Leicester. [Indoor Ultimate] note change of venue Contact Leicester Ultimate Club (Red) Address PO Box 1075 Leicester LE2 1YQ Email red@ultimateweb.co.uk Phone 0116 2559638 (Ben Ravilious) Saturday 16th January 1999 Newport Indoors (2 days) @ Newport [Indoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Address 81 Bittern Avenue Abbeydale Gloucester GL4 4WG Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Phone 01242 543299 (work) 01452 380529 (home) Saturday 13th February 1999 Warwick Indoors (2 days) [Indoor Ultimate] Contact Mike Clements (Percy) Email ecumu@csv.warwick.ac.uk URL http://www.csv.warwick.ac.uk/~suaaz/ Women's Indoor Nationals (2 days) @ The University of Leeds [Women's Indoor Ultimate] Contact Rachel Jacobs Email lec6rej@leeds.ac.uk Phone 0113 224 2891 Saturday 27th February 1999 National Student Indoors (2 days) @ Leeds [Students' Indoor Ultimate] TD Jon Chewins Email bgy6jgc@South-02.novell.leeds.ac.uk Saturday 6th March 1999 Indoor Regionals (2 days) [Indoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Address 81 Bittern Avenue Abbeydale Gloucester GL4 4WG Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Phone 01242 543299 (work) 01452 380529 (home) Saturday 13th March 1999 Indoor Regionals (2 days) [Indoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Address 81 Bittern Avenue Abbeydale Gloucester GL4 4WG Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Phone 01242 543299 (work) 01452 380529 (home) Saturday 20th March 1999 Indoor Nationals (2 days) [Indoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Address 81 Bittern Avenue Abbeydale Gloucester GL4 4WG Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Phone 01242 543299 (work) 01452 380529 (home) Saturday 27th March 1999 Red Outdoors (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Leicester Ultimate Club (Red) Address PO Box 1075 Leicester LE2 1YQ Email red@ultimateweb.co.uk Phone 0116 2559638 (Ben Ravilious) Saturday 3rd April 1999 Dublin Outdoors (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 10th April 1999 Tour I (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Address 81 Bittern Avenue Abbeydale Gloucester GL4 4WG Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Phone 01242 543299 (work) 01452 380529 (home) Saturday 1st May 1999 Brugge (2 days) TBC [Outdoor Ultimate Abroad] Saturday 8th May 1999 Tour II (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Address 81 Bittern Avenue Abbeydale Gloucester GL4 4WG Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Phone 01242 543299 (work) 01452 380529 (home) Thursday 13th May 1999 Rotterdam (4 days) TBC [Outdoor Ultimate Abroad] Saturday 5th June 1999 Tour III (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Address 81 Bittern Avenue Abbeydale Gloucester GL4 4WG Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Phone 01242 543299 (work) 01452 380529 (home) Saturday 12th June 1999 Fiesta (2 days) TBC [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Laura Lafave Email lafave@cs.bris.ac.uk Phone (w) +44-117-954 5128 Saturday 26th June 1999 Tour IV (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Address 81 Bittern Avenue Abbeydale Gloucester GL4 4WG Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Phone 01242 543299 (work) 01452 380529 (home) Saturday 17th July 1999 Tour V (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Address 81 Bittern Avenue Abbeydale Gloucester GL4 4WG Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Phone 01242 543299 (work) 01452 380529 (home) Saturday 24th July 1999 Ross on Wye (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 7th August 1999 Worlds (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate Abroad] Saturday 14th August 1999 Worlds (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate Abroad] Saturday 25th September 1999 Nationals (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Address 81 Bittern Avenue Abbeydale Gloucester GL4 4WG Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Phone 01242 543299 (work) 01452 380529 (home) ---------------------------------------------------------- British Flying Disc Federation Disc Events Diary http://www.dcs.warwick.ac.uk/~ralf/bfdf/ Ranulf Doswell, ralf@dcs.warwick.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Nov 23 11:43:07 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id LAA16691 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 11:32:18 GMT Received: from renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk (renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk [129.215.13.3]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA16592 for ; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 11:32:00 GMT From: 9525221@jura.sms.ed.ac.uk Received: from jura.sms.ed.ac.uk (jura.sms.ed.ac.uk [129.215.166.42]) by renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA21366 for ; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 11:31:59 GMT Received: from SMS-JURA/SpoolDir by jura.sms.ed.ac.uk (Mercury 1.43); 23 Nov 98 11:31:59 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by SMS-JURA (Mercury 1.43); 23 Nov 98 11:31:40 +0000 Organization: Student Mail Service To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 11:34:52 +0000 Subject: Beginners lost property X-mailer: Pegasus Mail/Mac (v2.2.1) Message-ID: <6345B02602D@jura.sms.ed.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Here is the list of lost property left after the beginners tournie in Edinburgh. You are more than welcome to pick it up at the Northern student qualifiers but if it's really urgent e-mail me and we can try to sort something out. The smelly black bag contains : - red 'Guys and Dolls' T-shirt - white long-sleeved regatta T-shirt - black adidas tracksuit bottoms - greeny/blue T-shirt - black 'Collumn' jumper - navy tracksuit bottoms - a watch - purple scarf thing - navy 'tour de France' T-shirt - 2 discs Hope that you all enjoyed the weekend, Mary-Claire From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Nov 23 12:15:18 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id LAA25980 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 11:57:24 GMT Received: from platinum1.cambridge.scr.slb.com (platinum1.cambridge.scr.slb.com [134.32.103.3]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA25940 for ; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 11:57:19 GMT Received: from scrdell149.cambridge.scr.slb.com (scrdell149 [134.32.115.238]) by platinum1.cambridge.scr.slb.com (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8/RJH.V1.1-98) with SMTP id LAA17869 for ; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 11:54:13 GMT Message-Id: <199811231154.LAA17869@platinum1.cambridge.scr.slb.com> X-Sender: simmons@mail.cambridge.scr.slb.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.1 Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 11:57:31 +0000 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: Leigh Simmons Subject: BUSA, the Sports Council and such things Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Alright everyone, at the risk of taking a battering from a lot of people who are much better at arguing than me, I'd like to present an alternative view on this whole shennanigins. You never know, there might even be someone who agrees with me. The thing that appeals to me about ultimate is the lack of people who can tell you what to do. Obviously there are a whole load of other good things, but this is what sets it apart, for me, from other team sports. I have at various times played football, basketball and hockey at an enthusiastic, if not highly skilled, level. But I sort of lost interest in team sports; without exception (I think) as you get better, you have less freedom. You could be the best surfer or mountain biker in the world and never get within spitting distance of an official - and I can spit a mighty long way - but you don't get all those nice warm feelings of playing in a team with your mates. So you see, at the moment Ultimate is unique in that is has all the benefits of a team sport but with very few of the shitty things. This is very important to me and I'm a bit worried that it's not going to last. What do we need recognition from BUSA or the Sports Council for? Can't we just bowl along and do our own thing, who cares whether other people think it's a real sport or not? I played in most of the tours this year and the nationals and I thought it was brilliant, I know there's a lot of people who put a lot of effort into organising it all and I offer them my heartfelt gratitude, they did such a good job that I can't see any reason for changing it. That's all really, just remember - money isn't everything. Oh yes, congratulations must surely go to the Mohawks and ALi in particular for organising a top notch tournament last weekend, it was all sorts of fun. How many other sports do you get blazing tunes while the final's being played? take it easy, love Leigh (mud culture / strange blue) ps " I'm not an anarchist, but I know a man who is..." From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Nov 23 14:11:30 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id NAA02916 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 13:47:52 GMT Received: from smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk ([62.172.72.129]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA02890 for ; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 13:47:47 GMT From: Wayne_Retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk Received: from ccMail by smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk (IMA Internet Exchange 3.01 Enterprise) id 0002D1FA; Mon, 23 Nov 98 13:45:26 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 13:43:16 +0000 Message-ID: <0002D1FA.CE21337@watsonwyatt.co.uk> Subject: Re: BUSA, the Sports Council and such things To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Author: Leigh Simmons >But I sort of lost interest in team sports; without exception (I think) as >you get better, you have less freedom. How so? more fame, more likely to have 'the heavy squad' set against you, but not shut downby the ref if you're good because you're *good*, not because you are best at pushing the rules... >What do we need recognition from BUSA or the Sports Council for? - Money (d'you fancy going to a FREE tournament, wearing your FREE kit, etc [for free, you could use "free through sponsorship"]) - Organisational assistance (fancy the National/Student Championships being organised/run/promoted by an organisation that doesn't require TDs/Students to give up X hours of their day-jobs/studytime and undergo the hassle involved?) - Recognition from *other* organisations - such as sponsorhip and TV (which is another vicious circle of its own) >That's all really, just remember - money isn't everything. But it does seem to make the world go 'round... But, as you suggest, we *should* seriously consider that it may 'corrupt' some of the features that are inherent in our sport. Wayne Retter occaisionally hassled TD in two minds about "going official" From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Nov 23 14:39:28 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id OAA15027 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 14:22:01 GMT Received: from boober.lineone.net (boober-be.lineone.net [194.75.152.84]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA15011 for ; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 14:21:59 GMT Received: from dad (host5-99-44-175.btinternet.com [195.99.44.175]) by boober.lineone.net (8.8.5/8.8.0) with ESMTP id OAA03511 for ; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 14:21:27 GMT Message-Id: <199811231421.OAA03511@boober.lineone.net> Reply-To: From: "Chaseframe" To: Subject: SE regional qualifiers Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 13:53:21 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi everyone May I just say Thanks to Ali Findlay for a most amazing weekend where my team had there first experience of ultimate. The tourney was one of the best I have ever been to . Party was even better. ( 2 x Puke 1 x Pass out ) May I say thanx to all the teams that we played over the weekend for great spirited games. The experience has turned four new players into Ultimate Junkie's!!!!!!!!!!!! Despite only scoring 2 points and winning no matches. Which goes to show that It isn't the winning wasn't anything. Spud (if you like) Kings College London Ps Sorry to all those I confused with my change colleges. PPs Playing Indoors was nice in November Email : chaseframe@lineone.net Web Site : http://website.lineone.net/~chaseframe From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Nov 23 15:04:27 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id OAA26026 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 14:52:03 GMT Received: from europa.bton.ac.uk (europa.bton.ac.uk [194.83.112.9]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA26000 for ; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 14:51:59 GMT Received: from alpha2.bton.ac.uk ([194.81.203.3]) by europa.bton.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.92 #1) for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk id 0zhxLK-0007Pe-00; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 14:51:58 +0000 Received: from localhost by alpha2.bton.ac.uk (5.65v4.0/1.1.8.2/28Jul95-0212PM) id AA31997; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 14:51:58 GMT Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 14:51:58 +0000 (GMT) From: Ali Findlay To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: student south east regionals Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Results Final Skunks 1 12 - 5 Strange Blue 1 1. Skunks 1 2. Strange Blue 1 3. Alien Nation 4. Imperial 5. Mohawks 1 6. Skunks 2 7. K-niggets 1 8. Mohawks 2 9. P.D.Q 1 plate winners 10. Chaos 11. K-niggets 2 12. Mohawks 3 13. Strange blue 2 14. P.D.Q 2 15. Skunks 3 16. Kings spirit: K-niggets Skunks 1 took the trophy after proving to be the class outfit of the weekend and look set to do well at nationals. Shock of the weekend was the defeat of Mohawks (96+97 champions) by new team Imperial. A great time was had by all with plenty of close matches and a good atmosphere and spirit prevailing. In addition to this over #120 was raised for children in Need by the All-star charity match, which was enjoyed by all, both playing and watching. On the fantasy frisbee side of things The best manager was Fingers of Skunks. The highest individual scorer was James Houghton (Mohawk Captain) and the lowest scorer was Flash with -15 (although at least he didn't drop the pull). thanks to all involved in the tournamnet, and I hope all that played had as much fun playing in it as I had running it. ALi Mohawks p.s Lost property Antz ultimate t-shirt Black Scarf From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Nov 23 15:05:52 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id OAA26035 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 14:52:05 GMT Received: from dirc.bris.ac.uk (dirc.bris.ac.uk [137.222.10.51]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA26016 for ; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 14:52:02 GMT Received: from sis.bris.ac.uk by dirc.bris.ac.uk with SMTP-PRIV (PP) with ESMTP; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 14:51:52 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sis.bris.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA20158; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 14:50:18 GMT Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 14:50:18 +0000 (GMT) From: J Rodgers To: Ben Ravilious cc: "britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk" Subject: Important: Mythago Tournament In-Reply-To: <01BE15A0.601FCCC0.bravil@webleicester.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk ******** Attention all Ultimate Teams ************ On the 30th and 31st January '99 Mythago will be holding an open indoor tournament in Bristol at the Whitchurch Sports Centre. There are places for 20 teams and the entry fee is 80 pounds per team. First come first served! To apply please contact: James Rodgers : jr7706@bris.ac.uk or contact Chris Hebert : ch5400@bris.ac.uk Tel: 0117 973 4983 until Dec11 Please send any applications with contact address and cheque made payable to "U.B.U.F.C." to : James Rodgers 26 Cromwell Road St. Andrews Bristol BS6 5HB Thanks. James. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Nov 23 15:05:55 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id OAA23328 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 14:44:41 GMT Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com (imo11.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA23306 for ; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 14:44:37 GMT From: Tebewebb@aol.com Received: from Tebewebb@aol.com by imo11.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id IRBa006730 for ; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 09:43:48 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 09:43:48 EST To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Anyone else . . . Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 49 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk getting multiple copies of messages to BritDisc? I'm getting 8 to 20 copies of every message posted, which is quite annoying as I pay by the minute. Stephen formerly Gun, now Pocomoke, permanently Happy From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Nov 23 15:07:45 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id OAA27638 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 14:56:25 GMT Received: from polaris.kbw.co.uk (dns1.kbw.co.uk [193.132.201.37]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA27569 for ; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 14:56:15 GMT Received: by dns1.kbw.co.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <48WLNVVW>; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 14:58:28 -0000 Message-ID: <5916162CC25BD21186D700A0C997E63D075D6E@dns1.kbw.co.uk> From: Roger Thomson To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: RE: Anyone else . . . Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 14:58:27 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Yep; I asked Ralf why but have received no response yet. Roger formerly Gun, now Gun Disk Golf trainee ;-) > Subject: Anyone else . . . > getting multiple copies of messages to BritDisc? > > I'm getting 8 to 20 copies of every message posted, which is > quite annoying as > I pay by the minute. > > Stephen > formerly Gun, now Pocomoke, permanently Happy > From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Nov 23 15:15:03 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id PAA00707 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 15:05:21 GMT Received: from walter.doc.ic.ac.uk (IDENT:GWC4/3EBQMwNMh6tWVSpZrPL/XDhY8R6@walter.doc.ic.ac.uk [146.169.2.50]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA00668 for ; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 15:05:15 GMT Received: from [146.169.49.23] (helo=sync23.doc.ic.ac.uk) by walter.doc.ic.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.890 #1) id 0zhxXp-0003EC-00; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 15:04:53 +0000 Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 15:04:53 +0000 (GMT) From: Tom Coerkamp Reply-To: Tom Coerkamp To: Leigh Simmons cc: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Re: BUSA, the Sports Council and such things In-Reply-To: <199811231154.LAA17869@platinum1.cambridge.scr.slb.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Firstly, my comments only refer to BUSA recognition, not the Sports Council..... Leigh's got a good point, and before anything is done regarding BUSA, the extent of the bureaucracy and the control they had, would have to be looked into a great deal. > I know there's a lot of people who put a lot of effort into organising > it all and I offer them my heartfelt gratitude, they did such a good > job that I can't see any reason for changing it. I agree completely - the level of committment people show in organising events is fantastic, and that ought not to change just due to BUSA recognition. > That's all really, just remember - money isn't everything. It would be good if that statement applied to students. However, in reality it doesn't and I think that the money issue is the biggest selling point of BUSA recognition. It would mean that things such as travel to events would be paid for from a separate budget to club funds. Speaking as someone who has just set up a new team, I know the hassle we face from our Union about money - being given 200 pounds for our whole budget for the year, only 80 to be spent on travel. This means that players have to pay all their travel costs themselves, and I can see this putting off people from playing, which really shouldn't happen. Then there are things like tournament fees......... I don't know - there are issues to deal with on both sides, but I think the first one that should be dealt with is the level of control BUSA would get by Ultimate becoming recognised. Cheers, TC From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Nov 23 15:38:25 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id PAA06713 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 15:20:52 GMT Received: from ultra2.aber.ac.uk (ultra2.aber.ac.uk [144.124.16.18]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA06662 for ; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 15:20:49 GMT Received: from pcedcd.dph.aber.ac.uk ([144.124.48.164] helo=aber.ac.uk) by ultra2.aber.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.01 #4) for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk id 0zhxnE-0005UK-00; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 15:20:48 +0000 Message-ID: <3659EDEA.5408636A@aber.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 15:21:15 -0800 From: Dinesh Narayan Organization: The Integrated Sensors Research Group X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 [en] (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Britdisc Subject: Re: Anyone else ..... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi Steve, Like you, I was also getting multiple copies of the same email message. This morning my inbox told me I had 39 new emails messages and I believed I had become suddenly very popular. I looked into my inbox and my heart sank when I found several copies of the same email message. Cheers, Den Mwnci See University Of Wales, Aberystwyth, Ultimate Sports Team From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Nov 23 16:08:47 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id PAA17299 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 15:51:57 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA17272 for ; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 15:51:54 GMT Received: from [212.228.27.73] (helo=oregan.net) by post.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.053 #1) id 0zhyHG-0002Ic-00; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 15:51:50 +0000 Message-ID: <36598560.EA4F15A9@oregan.net> Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 15:55:12 +0000 From: Adam Bennett Organization: Oregan Networks X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en,zh-TW,zh-CN,ja,en-GB,de-DE MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tebewebb@aol.com CC: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Re: Anyone else . . . References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Yeah me too! It sucks a great deal - my reader bugs out over a 1000 messages, an envelope I'm constantly pushing despite merciless use of the delete key. Please somebody fix this nightmare deja-vu trip! Cheers, Jabba Tebewebb@aol.com wrote: > > getting multiple copies of messages to BritDisc? > > I'm getting 8 to 20 copies of every message posted, which is quite annoying as > I pay by the minute. > > Stephen > formerly Gun, now Pocomoke, permanently Happy From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Nov 23 16:10:31 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id PAA19060 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 15:57:36 GMT Received: from panduit.de (mail.panduit.de [195.88.88.125]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA19037 for ; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 15:57:33 GMT Received: from D-Message_Server by panduit.de with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 17:05:14 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 16:58:00 +0100 From: "Paolo A. Nistri" To: Tebewebb@aol.com, britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Anyone else . . . -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Thank God for that...I thought it was only me!! Laters Godfather 22. >>> 11/23/98 02:43pm >>> getting multiple copies of messages to BritDisc? I'm getting 8 to 20 copies of every message posted, which is quite annoying as I pay by the minute. Stephen formerly Gun, now Pocomoke, permanently Happy From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Nov 23 16:38:26 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id QAA27567 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 16:22:37 GMT Received: from FIREWALL.target-systems.com (mail.target-systems.com [194.168.207.2]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id QAA27530 for ; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 16:22:32 GMT Received: from as400a.target-systems.com by FIREWALL.target-systems.com (IBM Firewall for AS/400/4.2.0) id QAA004.73; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 16:20:58 GMT Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 16:21:13 +0100 To: "djn997@aber.ac.uk" , "Britdisc" From: "Darren Evans" X-From-OfficeVision: "Darren Evans" Importance: medium X-Mailer: IBM Internet Messaging Framework Message-Id: <911838073-0-darren.evans@AS400A.TARGET-SYSTEMS.COM> X-MIME-Engine: v0.58 Subject: Re[2]: Anyone else ..... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Id: <911838073-1-darren.evans@AS400A.TARGET-SYSTEMS.COM> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id QAA27541 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk I too recieved Multiple Copies (About 40 messages) But in case the error occurs again, can we not reply to this issue. I don't think people need to be told multiple times that everyone is recieving multiple messages!! Regards Two Hands Night Fever Ultimate ____________________Reply Separator____________________ Subject: Re: Anyone else ..... Author: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Date: 23/11/98 23:21 Hi Steve, Like you, I was also getting multiple copies of the same email message. This morning my inbox told me I had 39 new emails messages and I believed I had become suddenly very popular. I looked into my inbox and my heart sank when I found several copies of the same email message. Cheers, Den Mwnci See University Of Wales, Aberystwyth, Ultimate Sports Team From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Nov 23 16:39:48 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id QAA29519 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 16:28:49 GMT Received: from src.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (ralf@src [137.205.227.132]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA29501 for ; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 16:28:45 GMT Received: (from ralf@localhost) by src.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id QAA15188 for britdisc@csv; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 16:28:44 GMT From: Ralf Message-Id: <199811231628.QAA15188@src.dcs.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: multiple mails from britdisc To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 16:28:43 +0000 (GMT) X-Quote: "You can't be truly paranoid unless you're sure they have already got you." X-Quote: Ever notice that even the busiest people are never too busy to tell you just how busy they are. X-Freedom: 58 days... X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL35 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk This was sent earlier, but got caught by the filter as it included the word unsubscribed. Doh! Hi there, After seeing rather a few postings appearing multiple times, I took a peek in some of the mail headers. It would seem that someone who subscribed to britdisc on Thursday seems to be echoing all the messages back several times. I'm not sure why this is happening, although be assured that it's a problem at their end - nothing to do with britdisc or your machines. I've unsubscribed the offending address, and I am mailing both him and his postmaster until they can offer some kind of satisfactory explanation. Sorry for any inconveniences, Ralf. ____ ____ _ _ ____ .----------------------------------------. _\__ \ _\__ \ / \ / \\__/ | Ranulf Doswell | / \_/ /_ / \_/ \ / / / /___ | Department of Computer Science | \ __ \\ __ \\ \ _\ \\_/ |University of Warwick, COVENTRY, CV4 7AL| \ \ \ \\ \ \ \\ \__/ \\ \ | Phone: 01203 523296 Fax: 01203 525714 | \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \______/ \_/ `----------------------------------------' From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Nov 23 17:03:40 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id QAA05492 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 16:46:05 GMT Received: from ultra1.aber.ac.uk (ultra1.aber.ac.uk [144.124.16.17]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA05467 for ; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 16:46:02 GMT Received: from pcgihj.ccu.aber.ac.uk ([144.124.13.91] helo=pcgihj) by ultra1.aber.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.01 #4) for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk id 0zhz7e-0000jH-00; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 16:45:59 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981123164658.0090ce00@pophost.aber.ac.uk> X-Sender: jag6@pophost.aber.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 16:46:58 +0000 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: BISTO Subject: Many Things Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Evening, Couple of queries unrelated to any current discussions: 1) We have several players who would like to play at Cheltenham this weekend. Are there any teams looking for players? 2) Has anybody got any contact details for 'Fubar'? 3) I'm also getting multiple copies of everything. Cheers Bisto (Mwnci See) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Nov 23 17:05:17 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id QAA08885 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 16:55:28 GMT Received: from pp2.shef.ac.uk (pp2.shef.ac.uk [143.167.1.32]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA08877 for ; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 16:55:26 GMT Received: from [143.167.79.249] (helo=pebley.shef.ac.uk) by pp2.shef.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.02 #5) id 0zhzGn-0007fg-01 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 16:55:25 +0000 Received: from PEBLEY/SpoolDir by pebley.shef.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); 23 Nov 98 16:55:25 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by PEBLEY (Mercury 1.43); 23 Nov 98 16:55:16 +0000 From: "Si Weeks" To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 16:55:07 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: BUSA X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <50897F4D14@pebley.shef.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hello all (and many hello to those getting this several times over), I looked into the BUSA issue as student coordinator last year. Unfortunately BUSA will not consider a sport that is not recognised by the sports council. Therefore we have to push sports council recognition first. Sadly according to our girl on the inside this will not be successful either until the population involved in the sport significantly increases. So let's get more people playing, Si Weeks -------------------------- 74 commonside sheffield s10 1gg 0114 266 2304 From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Nov 23 17:32:06 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id RAA15729 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 17:15:11 GMT Received: from teaching.earth.ox.ac.uk (teachserv.earth.ox.ac.uk [163.1.22.10]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA15696 for ; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 17:15:06 GMT Received: (from ug95g10@localhost) by teaching.earth.ox.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id RAA00115; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 17:15:05 GMT Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 17:15:04 +0000 (BST) From: Phil Cooper To: Si Weeks cc: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Re: BUSA In-Reply-To: <50897F4D14@pebley.shef.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Well it looks like that's that one dead in the water then! Cheers, Interesting discussion though, Locks said that he knew of regional councils that don't require Sports Council Recognition so perhaps we could look into that somehow! Phil Cooper aka Rocks From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Nov 23 17:39:55 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id RAA24332 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 17:32:43 GMT Received: from ntintel1.webleicester.co.uk (www.lansystems.co.uk [195.146.160.4]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA24318 for ; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 17:32:41 GMT Received: by www.lansystems.co.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 17:33:02 -0000 Message-ID: From: Ian Scotland To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Red Co-ed Tournament Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 17:33:00 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id RAA24321 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Invites went in the post last week, here is the Britdisc invite. See also (http://www.ultimateweb.co.uk/red/coed.htm) RED (INDOOR) CO-ED 1999 The Place: Ayelstone Leisure Centre, Leicester The Date: 9-10 January 1999 The Cost: £90 per team - 14 teams only!! We are pleased to invite you to our second attempt at an Indoor co-ed tournament to be held at Leicester Ayelstone Leisure centre on the weekend of the 9-10th January 1999. It could be the last co-ed indoors this millenium, so you can't afford to miss it. The cost per entry is £90 to cover the costs of hall hire and BUF taxes (we are not making a penny!). In order to have plenty of playing time the maximum number of teams has been set at 14, so get your entries in quickly. Co-ed rules Teams must have at least 2 players of each sex on the pitch at all times (i.e. 3 men/2 women OR 3 women/2 men) failure to do so means forfeit of the game - simple as that. Accommodation Accommodation will be available in Leicester at the numerous local players houses, although the quality may vary widely. We can guarantee no more than floor space. We will of course supply a list of B&B's/Hotels to anyone who requires the comfy option. To enter please tell us your contact details in a letter with a cheque for £90 made payable to Red Ultimate Club. Unfortunately, we cannot accept entries without payment. The closing date for entries is 11th December 1998. Send entries to: Red Co-ed Tournament, 75 John Street, Enderby, Leicester. LE9 5LF. ______________________________________________ Ian Scotland - Web Design Manager, WEBLEICESTER E-Mail: scott@webleicester.net http://www.webleicester.co.uk/ Tel: 0116 2230074 From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Nov 24 09:31:02 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id JAA14963 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 09:04:24 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA14923 for ; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 09:04:01 GMT Received: from [158.152.23.8] (helo=cayman.actix1) by post.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.053 #1) id 0ziENz-0003pd-00 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 09:03:51 +0000 Received: by CAYMAN with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 09:03:50 -0000 Message-ID: From: Simon Hill To: "'britdisc'" Subject: BUSA, Sports Council, suggestion Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 09:03:48 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk As has been noted by Si Weeks, this kind of thing is for the moment, pretty much dead in the water. (Which is a real pain after the work put in by the likes of Sammy over recent years.) I have a suggestion tho'... Anyone who thought they might be interested in seeing what they could do to help ultimate's case along these (or other) lines... here's what you have to do. **************************** Try to run a tournament (even an indoor one if you must- admittedly slightly easier than outdoor). **************************** And if I can be even more bossy: run a small one, and work on the teams and players that LIVE near the venue. YES - run a small, local tourney. This is the path to recognition as far as I can see. It has the bonus of resulting in more people playing ultimate more often. Got to go Si (22) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Nov 24 10:54:04 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA08295 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 10:44:03 GMT Received: from pop.esat.net (ernie.esat.net [192.111.39.10]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA08268 for ; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 10:43:56 GMT Received: from sepro.ie (mailserver.sepro.ie [193.120.132.131]) by pop.esat.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA24542 for ; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 10:38:45 GMT Received: from sepro_peterb [192.168.1.106] by sepro.ie [192.168.1.2] with SMTP (MDaemon.v2.7.SP3.R) for ; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 10:39:32 +0000 From: "Peter Bennison" To: "Britdisc" Subject: National Post Article Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 10:42:38 -0000 Message-ID: <000b01be1797$27a38140$6a01a8c0@sepro_peterb.sepro.ie> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000C_01BE1797.27A38140" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Reply-To: pbennison@sepro.ie Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01BE1797.27A38140 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Forgive the Canadian slant to this, but just to show that all Ultimate in North America is not necessarily American ... Flippin' out over disc-go fever by Rick Collins National Post November 16, 1998 Thirty years ago it was a laid-back, toy-tossing pastime in New Jersey, but the sport known as Ultimate has caught on. More than 10,000 Canadians - some of them world champs - are going gaga over Frisbee. Mitchell Scott is one of Canada's best athletes. But you won't see this 28-year-old Vancouverite, or his world champion teammates on any sports network. Their game stats are not included in any newspaper. And at first glance it's easy to see why. After all, any sport played with a Frisbee, calling itself Ultimate, will likely always be the Rodney Dangerfield of team sports. It's Halloween weekend on a sloppy field near the University of Victoria, where a muscular man wearing pink cotton socks, a matching mid-thigh skirt and chiffon top is looking for respect. Scott isn't giving him much. Looking decent in drag, Lou Buress takes off on a 50-metre sprint into an open area calling for a pass, he fakes left and cuts hard across the field hoping to shake Scott, his pesky defender. Just as the pass arrives, his man-on-man shadow, dressed in a more conservative white cotton T-shirt and shorts, launches himself like some sort of surface-to-air missile just in time for the block. If this was football, the gloating would begin right here, right now. The standing around. The muddy high-fives walking back to the line and into the huddle. The beer commercial soundtrack. The resting. However, Scott gets to his feet in quick transition from defence to offence, and throws a perfect 50-metre pass to the end zone for a score. "Usually we dress like soccer players, with numbers and jerseys," says the tall, lanky Scott, in defence of his challenging sport. "We're just having some fun here after a long season." But right now the Buress team, known as the Seattle-based Beauty Queens, are not having much fun on this All Saints' Day. The Loggers from Western Canada are poor hosts, beating the Queens in the semifinal game of a casual tournament known as the Pumpkin Pull. More than 30 mixed teams from as far away as California and Manitoba have squared off since Saturday. There are more hugs, big hair and flying plastic here than at any Tupperware party in the suburbs. And despite the cloak of buffoonery, with teams here dressed in a myriad of clever costumes, Ultimate is slowly shedding its reputation as the rogue, hippie version of traditional American football. For the uninitiated spectator who wanders past this cirque sans solei, Ultimate is easy to, uh, catch onto. The high school boys in Maplewood, N.J., who invented the game in 1968 were looking for a simple, non-conformist game to play using the coolest toy of the period - a disc (Frisbee is a trademark name). To them, a non-contact passing game played by two, seven-person teams seemed to be the perfect sport, thus the name - Ultimate. But over time the laid-back toy-tossing exploded into the team sport of the future, combining the running of soccer with the stamina of hockey and the cutting, jumping and passing of basketball, Ultimate is now one of the fastest growing sports in the world. It is also a marketing whiz's dream unrealized. Healthy men and women dressed in high-tech fabric, chasing each other and the friendly little politically-correct plastic disc across a grassy field. Can you say beer commercial? Although most people haven't even heard of Ultimate (the sport crept onto university campuses around 1975), there are now 10,000 active players in Canada. Most are recreational evening and weekenders who play throughout the summer and indoors in winter, including a nine-team corporate league at IBM in Toronto, a 200-team league in Ottawa, and 300 men and women who competed at this year's university championships in Edmonton. As well, an elite group of Canadian men's and women's teams travel to tournaments all over the world, competing with other such fanatics mostly on weekends at their own cost. In the U.S., there are paid collegiate coaches as teams prepare for the NCAA national championships held every spring. Last year the University of British Columbia women's team out of Vancouver shocked the Americans by getting to the finals against Stanford. They lost, but Canada has quickly become an Ultimate powerhouse, despite the country's reputation of perpetual frozen tundra. Played with a high-tech plastic disc, on a field similar to football, the object is to score by catching a pass in the opponent's end zone. A player must stop running while in possession of the disc, but can pivot and pass to any of the other six receivers on the field. Just like basketball, Ultimate is a transition game in which players move quickly from offence to defence on turnovers that occur with a dropped pass, an interception, a pass out-of-bounds, or when a player is caught holding the disc for longer than nine seconds. At the Pumpkin Pull, they claim play is casual, but the running seems endless. Mitchell Scott and the Loggers continue their domination over the Queens. After two quick give-and-go passes near their own end zone, Toby Marcoux unloads an 80-yard bomb with enough arm to make Doug Flutie proud. Scott and his man pursue the disc in a one-on-one showdown better than any penalty shot drama hockey can offer. The disc hovers and spins, curving just past the outstretched arms of the flying defender as Scott makes an acrobatic one-handed catch and crash lands for the goal. Don Cherry, he of highlight video fame, would have gone gaga. The teams have 20-player rosters, and substitutions are allowed only when a point is scored. Games are played to 15 or 17 points (one point for each goal) and there is no time clock. And perhaps most significantly - similar to self-refereed, three-on-three basketball - Ultimate's rules are enforced entirely by the players on the field. Even at this past summer's world championships, where Canada's men's, co-ed and masters division teams won gold medals, there were no referees. "It's the one great thing that separates Ultimate from all other sports," says Scott. "We rely solely on a clause in the rules called 'the spirit of the game,' which essentially means we will avoid a win-at-all costs attitude." This benevolent vision of sport sounds like something conjured out of a haze in the 1960s, but seeing is believing. There are relatively few arguments as players seem to take responsibility for themselves - something more established sports could do well to emulate. Back on the field, Lou Buress, who learned to play Ultimate at college in New York, throws his hat to the ground as the game ends. "Damn, I hate losing to you Canadians," he drawls tongue-in-cheek, as opposing players laugh, hug and compare game notes. "Your first mistake was teaching us how to play," is the quick response from the Logger's sideline. ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01BE1797.27A38140 Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="Peter Bennison.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Peter Bennison.vcf" BEGIN:VCARD VERSION:2.1 N:Bennison;Peter FN:Peter Bennison ORG:Sepro Telecom International TITLE:Software Developer TEL;WORK;VOICE:+353 1 296 4428 Ext 106 TEL;WORK;FAX:+353 1 296 4431 ADR;WORK;ENCODING=3DQUOTED-PRINTABLE:;;Unit 4, Floor 1=3D0D=3D0ADundrum = Business Park=3D0D=3D0AWindy Arbour;Dublin;;14;Re=3D public of Ireland LABEL;WORK;ENCODING=3DQUOTED-PRINTABLE:Unit 4, Floor 1=3D0D=3D0ADundrum = Business Park=3D0D=3D0AWindy Arbour=3D0D=3D0ADublin 14=3D =3D0D=3D0ARepublic of Ireland URL: URL:http://www.sepro.ie EMAIL;PREF;INTERNET:pbennison@sepro.ie REV:19981009T093135Z END:VCARD ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01BE1797.27A38140-- From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Nov 24 10:54:20 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA05442 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 10:34:28 GMT Received: from otto.crispgroup.co.uk (crispgroup.demon.co.uk [158.152.87.155]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA05428 for ; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 10:34:26 GMT Received: from [129.1.1.241] by otto.crispgroup.co.uk (NTMail 3.03.0017/1.aia2) with ESMTP id za044121 for ; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 10:30:43 +0000 Received: from [129.1.11.120] by homer.crispgroup.co.uk (NTMail 3.03.0012/1.aia2) with ESMTP id va039151 for ; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 10:30:46 +0000 Received: by raviben810.crispgroup.co.uk with Microsoft Mail id <01BE1796.89DABE60@raviben810.crispgroup.co.uk>; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 10:38:13 -0000 Message-ID: <01BE1796.89DABE60@raviben810.crispgroup.co.uk> From: Ben Ravilious To: "'britdisc'" Subject: Growth & Publicity Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 10:38:12 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Info: Crisp Computing Mail Server Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id KAA05436 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk This is more like it. At this stage in our evolution we need to concentrate solidly on recruitment. We only have around 1000 players dammit! There are more and more teams forming so local tournaments/leagues which Simon is suggesting are becoming more of a possibility. I would add that even more worthwhile than running tournaments is starting your own team. People who do this deserve medals! Publicity is another issue. Its an embarrasing fact that even in Leicester where we've had plenty of coverage, I still meet people who have never heard of Ultimate. I have been toying with the idea of running a "Britains most publicised team" competition. Now seems as good a time as any to float the idea. Whaddaythink? Ben -----Original Message----- From: Simon Hill [SMTP:simon.hill@actix.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 1998 9:04 AM To: 'britdisc' Subject: BUSA, Sports Council, suggestion As has been noted by Si Weeks, this kind of thing is for the moment, pretty much dead in the water. (Which is a real pain after the work put in by the likes of Sammy over recent years.) I have a suggestion tho'... Anyone who thought they might be interested in seeing what they could do to help ultimate's case along these (or other) lines... here's what you have to do. **************************** Try to run a tournament (even an indoor one if you must- admittedly slightly easier than outdoor). **************************** And if I can be even more bossy: run a small one, and work on the teams and players that LIVE near the venue. YES - run a small, local tourney. This is the path to recognition as far as I can see. It has the bonus of resulting in more people playing ultimate more often. Got to go Si (22) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Nov 24 11:59:24 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id LAA28558 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 11:41:51 GMT Received: from euler.central.cranfield.ac.uk (euler.central.cranfield.ac.uk [138.250.48.9]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA28489 for ; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 11:41:44 GMT Received: from cant006f.coa.cranfield.ac.uk ([138.250.72.6]) by euler.central.cranfield.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.92 #2) for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk id 0ziGql-0007DA-00; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 11:41:43 +0000 From: aaron altman Reply-To: A.Altman@cranfield.ac.uk To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Re: BUSA In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 11:41:40 +0000 (GMT) X-Mailer: Simeon for Win32 Version 4.1.2 Build (32) X-Authentication: none MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Been away for a few days..... I am not sure where some of this previously mentioned information comes from, but I will add my own personal experience. Having been a Student Union President, and having a strong position to influence my Sports and Societies officer, I managed to learn some of the details of what it would take to get our sport added to BUSA. There are many ways into BUSA, but in the end, the Annual General meeting is the place that it can all happen. If you get support within a region to take an issue to the National AGM (as we tried two years ago), that issue is raised in front of the National AGM. If the collection of elected National Sports and Societies officers sees it appropriate, they can pass it on to the BUSA Exec (mostly elected), who then make a decision. As far as I was led to believe, there is no FORMULA for what they do and don't accept (meaning, Sports Council recognition is not a necessary condition, at least not via this avenue). The difficulty, therefore, lies with getting enough SU sports and societies officers to support the motion to make it a BUSA sport. To get it taken to the national BUSA conference as a motion, and to have it brought before the BUSA exec for approval, and of course, the necessary lobbying/educating of BUSA exec members That was the procedure as I understood it. The year that we considered drumming up interest was the second year of a BUSA re-organization in which they were not accepting any new sports. That has been over for 2 years now. So, drop it of you'd like, but don't say impossible. I refuse to believe that one. But then, my experience with these types of organizations over here has led me to ask a different kind of question when someone says, "it can't be done" Aaron ---------------------- aaron altman Cranfield University A.Altman@Cranfield.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Nov 24 17:48:56 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id RAA21129 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 17:31:06 GMT Received: from clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@clover-fddi [137.205.4.2]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA21120 for ; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 17:31:03 GMT Received: from hotmail.com (f71.hotmail.com [207.82.250.157]) by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id RAA04562 for ; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 17:30:58 GMT Received: (qmail 6479 invoked by uid 0); 24 Nov 1998 17:30:12 -0000 Message-ID: <19981124173012.6478.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 129.11.16.1 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 09:30:10 PST X-Originating-IP: [129.11.16.1] From: "Arun - Janitors" To: Britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Footy Tournament - Leeds 28th Nov MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 09:30:10 PST Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk To any of you lot out there who have made no effort to find out where the footy tourney is this weekend (everyone) it starts at 10am, at the University of Leeds Sports Centre (next to the Hospital well close to it), there is a captains meeting at 9.40am in the sports hall cafe. Seeya all sat morn, or friday night if anyone wants to fancies a few pre match bevies!! Janitors ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Nov 24 19:14:21 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id SAA12720 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 18:55:40 GMT Received: from neodymium.btinternet.com (neodymium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.83]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id SAA12703 for ; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 18:55:36 GMT Received: from btinternet.com [62.172.95.54] by neodymium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 1.70 #1) id 0ziNb9-0005Vt-00; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 18:54:04 +0000 Message-ID: To: britdisc MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mark Jefferson Subject: BUSA (again) - I'll be brief..... Date: Tue, 24 Nov 98 18:56:08 GMT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id SAA12706 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi Folks This discussion kicks off annually, and the same arguments are replyed. If it matters that much to you that our sport(s) get the proper respect from QUANGOs like the SC, then pay attention to what people are saying: We aren't important enough, not nearly enough: they should be paying attention to us, not the other way round. BUSA recognition, as with SC recognition, comes with varying levels of support and in our present situation, we wouldn't get anything like that given to, say, football or hockey. IMHO, the responsibility for the development of our sport does not lie with the student co-ordinator, or the BUF director, or any individual key figure in the administration of our sport - it lies with you, the players. People like Ben (hope I'm not using your name in vein) have been banging on about geo teams, starting new teams, local tournies etc for a long time now and it's the same old people who act on this advice. It comes down to a lot of factors, and I know time is one of them, but how much effort you are prepared to put in to back up your words is key. I think we have to forget about the quick-fix solutions - no one is going to hand us a wad of cash and say "spend it at will." Start a junior team (it only takes one hour a week) hold a tournie, form a local league, open your practices up to newcomers, publicise what you are doing somewhere other than on Britdisc. Or maybe we actually like what we have too much??? The choice, as they say, is yours..... Sorry - not as brief as I meant it to be! Mark Whiplash From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Nov 25 09:09:40 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id IAA12105 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 08:54:07 GMT Received: from beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk (beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.129.138]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA12090 for ; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 08:54:04 GMT Received: from cedar.sucs.soton.ac.uk (cedar.sucs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.128.92]) by beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.8/relay-02) with ESMTP id IAA22265 for ; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 08:53:59 GMT Received: from b62a-15.sucs.soton.ac.uk (b62a-15.sucs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.237.139]) by cedar.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.8/relay-02) with SMTP id IAA12205 for ; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 08:42:42 GMT From: Suze Reply-To: scp195@soton.ac.uk To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Womens practice and a message for PDQ Message-ID: Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 08:46:22 +0000 (GMT) X-Mailer: Simeon for Windows Version 4.1.4 Build (40) X-Authentication: none MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi everyone, I am hoping to hold a womens practice in Southampton on Sunday 6th December. I would be really grateful if a few of you girlies could come over and join in and help encourage the new girly Skunks as they are sick of hearing my voice. I know there is a Bliss practice the day before but that should mean you are nicely warmed up for it! Could those people who are interested please let me know. I shall sort out times etc later. Also, could someone from PDQ please email me? Cheers Suze ---------------------- Suze scp195@soton.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Nov 25 13:03:48 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA23354 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 12:49:25 GMT Received: from src.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (ralf@src [137.205.227.132]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA23333 for ; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 12:49:22 GMT Received: (from ralf@localhost) by src.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id MAA03387 for britdisc@csv; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 12:49:21 GMT From: Ralf Message-Id: <199811251249.MAA03387@src.dcs.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: New E-Mail Group svensk_frisbee@egroups.com To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 12:49:20 +0000 (GMT) X-Quote: "Nature doesn't consult you; it doesn't give a damn for your wishes or whether its laws please you or do not please you. You must accept it as it is. . . ." X-Quote: My employer rents my time. They sure don't own my opinions. X-Freedom: 56 days... X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL35 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Only of interest to Swedish people, I guess, but just in case... ----- Forwarded message from owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk ----- Message-Id: <199811251007.KAA29201@pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk> From: "Johansson, Henrik" To: "'britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk'" Subject: New E-Mail Group svensk_frisbee@egroups.com Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 11:06:00 +0100 GROUP E-MAIL ADDRESS The group address is svensk_frisbee@egroups.com JOINING THE E-GROUP Send an blank e-mail to svensk_frisbee-subscribe@egroups.com THE LAGUAGE The language are in Swedish on this group. Questions from teams in Europe can be sent in english. FOR MORE INFO If you have questions, please consult e-groups "Frequently Asked Questions": http://www.eGroups.com/info/help.html Best Wishes! Henrik Johansson SFC ----- End of forwarded message from owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk ----- ____ ____ _ _ ____ .----------------------------------------. _\__ \ _\__ \ / \ / \\__/ | Ranulf Doswell | / \_/ /_ / \_/ \ / / / /___ | Department of Computer Science | \ __ \\ __ \\ \ _\ \\_/ |University of Warwick, COVENTRY, CV4 7AL| \ \ \ \\ \ \ \\ \__/ \\ \ | Phone: 01203 523296 Fax: 01203 525714 | \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \______/ \_/ `----------------------------------------' From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Nov 25 13:43:08 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id NAA06189 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 13:26:50 GMT Received: from epunix.biols.susx.ac.uk (root@epunix.biols.susx.ac.uk [139.184.162.2]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA06170 for ; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 13:26:46 GMT Received: from localhost (1524 bytes) by epunix.biols.susx.ac.uk via sendmail with P:stdio/R:acukbind/T:smtp (sender: ) (ident using unix) id for ; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 13:26:45 +0000 (GMT) (Smail-3.2.0.101 1997-Dec-17 #10 built 1998-Feb-1) Message-Id: From: kevinbr@biols.susx.ac.uk (Kevin Brooks) Subject: Re: BUSA To: Philip.Cooper@teaching.earth.ox.ac.uk (Phil Cooper) Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 13:26:45 +0000 (GMT) Cc: GGA95SEW@sheffield.ac.uk, britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk In-Reply-To: from "Phil Cooper" at Nov 23, 98 05:15:04 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL20] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Indeed. Fact: In the SE there is a body called SESSA (South Eastern Students Soprts Association, or something). There may well be equivalent bodies in other regions. Beware - some of the rest is heresay... Apparently they administrate the local student leagues for hockey, football, rugby, squash, etc. They are unconnected with BUSA, and they do not demand sports council recognition for affiliation. I was thinking of talking to them last year when I was running the SE student league, but i didn't get round to it. I thought about it again this year, but the league doesn't really seem to have quite materialised yet. It might be worth looking in to, just not by me (too much shit to shovel). Good luck campaigners! Locks > > Well it looks like that's that one dead in the water then! > > Cheers, Interesting discussion though, Locks said that he knew of > regional councils that don't require Sports Council Recognition so > perhaps we could look into that somehow! > > Phil Cooper > aka Rocks > > From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Nov 25 17:46:37 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id RAA23679 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 17:33:25 GMT Received: from mee02.mee.com (meefw01.mee.com [194.130.244.66]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id RAA23650 for ; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 17:33:19 GMT From: Guy.Kennett@meuk.mee.com Received: by meefw01.mee.com id AA04425 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk); Wed, 25 Nov 1998 17:26:31 GMT Received: by meefw01.mee.com (Internal Mail Agent-2); Wed, 25 Nov 1998 17:26:31 GMT Received: by meefw01.mee.com (Internal Mail Agent-1); Wed, 25 Nov 1998 17:26:31 GMT Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 17:28:48 +0000 Message-Id: <00004430.4199@meuk.mee.com> Subject: Re: BLUE ARSE FLIES INDOOR TOURNAMENT - UPDATE To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Cc: BAF Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk PICK-UP PEOPLE, THINGS ARE LOOKING UP 2 pick-up team slots are available at The EGO WANG FEST. Just shuffle along to Cheltenham (with some cash) and Chris HUGHES will get you in a team. Don't be shy. Contacts as below. Guy _____________________________________________________________________________ BAF are pleased to be associated with Guy's Bar, Notre Dame du Monts _____________________________________________________________________________ Announcing the Blue Arse Flies International Indoor Tournament ______oOo______ 'EGO WANG FEST' ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 28, 29 November, back in 'nam, Cheltenham Invites, maps, accommodation in the post already, if you have not got, please contact - guy.kennett@meuk.mee.com &/or merrick.cardew@g4tech.co.uk GBP80 per team, payable to Blue Arse Flies (see below) Closing date for payment 22 November. Post early to avoid disappointment. We know we are clashing with SE Student Regional Qualifiers, but we don't care. Address for cheques etc... c/o Merrick Cardew Lan-kidden Murcot Turn Broadway Worcs, WR12 7HT hm 01386 830136 wk 01684 277114 fly high and all that Guy Kennett ___________________________________________________________________ Budweiser, Nike and Mercedes Benz are pleased not to be associated with this tournament. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Nov 25 20:02:02 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id TAA20851 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 19:49:28 GMT Received: from newmail.virgin.net (newmail.virgin.net [194.168.54.44]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA20842 for ; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 19:49:26 GMT Received: from cow ([194.168.59.65]) by newmail.virgin.net (Post.Office MTA Undefined release Undefined ID# 0-52107U250000L250000S0V35) with SMTP id net for ; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 19:56:58 +0000 Message-ID: <365C5EDC.5BEB@virgin.net> Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 19:47:40 +0000 From: Iain Roberts Reply-To: iain.roberts2@virgin.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-VN710-003 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Mini-Tournament Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi Everyone, Skunks are holding a mini-tournament down in Southampton this weekend (yes i know about the blue arse flies tourney). If anyone in the area is interested in picking up for a team, then get to the university for 12 noon on Saturday. Play will be from 12 'till 7 on Saturday and 12 'till 5 on Sunday. IEUAN Skunks Sec. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Nov 25 22:59:55 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id WAA18175 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 22:46:48 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA18166 for ; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 22:46:47 GMT Received: from [158.152.248.177] (helo=phidelta.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.053 #1) id 0zinht-0004RR-00 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 22:46:46 +0000 Message-ID: <$D3WsDAcgIX2Ewej@phidelta.demon.co.uk> Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 22:43:40 +0000 To: BritDisc From: Wayne Retter Subject: Tournament Details Archive MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Trial Version 3.04 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Would all current/future TDs please send hardcopies (ie paper, NOT whopping great spreadsheet/wordprocessor documents!) of Tournament Invitations, schedules, info packs, maps, etc - (i.e. all the stuff that you produce for the running of your event) to me at the address below. I'll try to file it sensibly and we'll effectively have an archive of useful information for future TDs... something some of us have muuttered about for a while... Cheers Wayne Retter 15 Courtlands 17 Court Downs Road Beckenham Kent BR3 6AL In case you're wondering WHY? I've been doing this for as many as possible of the events I've been to for the last 6 years or so, and it's probably a resource that might come in handy at some point! ---------------------------------------------------------------- Wayne Retter at home: 0181-663-4856 wayne@phidelta.demon.co.uk mobile: 07970-903420 at work: 01737-273611 wayne_retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Nov 26 11:01:48 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA00226 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 26 Nov 1998 10:46:12 GMT Received: from pp2.shef.ac.uk (pp2.shef.ac.uk [143.167.1.32]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA00210 for ; Thu, 26 Nov 1998 10:46:09 GMT Received: from [143.167.79.249] (helo=pebley.shef.ac.uk) by pp2.shef.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.02 #5) id 0ziyw5-0002tE-00; Thu, 26 Nov 1998 10:46:09 +0000 Received: from PEBLEY/SpoolDir by pebley.shef.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); 26 Nov 98 10:46:09 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by PEBLEY (Mercury 1.43); 26 Nov 98 10:46:09 +0000 From: "Si Weeks" To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 10:45:57 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: More Than Just A Tournament Report CC: ultimate@sheffield.ac.uk X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <9265FE3350@pebley.shef.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi everyone, Sorry for the delay in publiscising the report, I hope it was worth waiting for. This weekend saw the Student Indoor Midland Qualifiers in Sheffield for the third year running. Thanks to a fine effort from Warwick and Sheffield who both fielded five teams each, there were eighteen teams at the tournament. Saturdays play saw the field of 18 divided into two pools of nine in order to minimise the effect of the seeding, which is always notably difficult when it comes to the continuously changing student teams. The days play saw Yogi Bears top the first pool and Jesters the other, 'though only on goal difference over Purple Haze. During the day the party had been well hyped, with talk of both a pre party and post party, as well as the official Party. Precedings opened at 7:30 in the Tin Pan Alley, although initially the party was by no means exclusively Frisbee, it wasn't all that long before means were found and the locals decided they best clear off! Unsurprisingly much drinking was had and many new friends made. It wasn't long before the drunken Hord, for this is what the beast that rolled out of the Alley became, got restless and the prospect of strutting their stuff on a dance floor, preferably with some music playing in the background, convinced most of the need to move on. On to the Raynor Lounge. Where Fickled Fingers and one of the numerous Bears teams had decided to take up residence, some hours before. Presumably because drinking in Hords wasn't their thing! None the less, approximately 2 seconds after the Hord arrived the place was kicking, and all manner of dancing attempts were made, most noticebly by Sammy, (yes really Sammy Neilson, never one to miss a good party) as the party went into orbit. Alas, just as all good things must come to an end, so the party had to end and the Hord looking more like a rabble now (there is a difference) slowly wound their respective ways to bed. For a lucky few the way to bed was downhill, but for most there was a spot of mountaineering, before that suddenly very appealing spot on a lounge floor, came into focus. On Sunday after the completion of the remaining pool games the top four in each pool moved into the quarter final stage to fight for the four qualifying spots. Bears, Phat 'Eds and Jesters made it through, but in the tie of the round Mwnci See played Purple Haze. With scores being level on the hooter, sudden death was played. Two further turnovers followed, one of them cruelly for Mwnci See a drop in the zone, before Purple Haze took the game to book their place in Leeds. The remaining ten were divided into two pools of five with each team playing those teams they had not played the day before. The winners of these pools, Too Phat and Hulltimate, then met in the Plate Final. This event was built up to be a marvellous affair and it lived up to every expectation. Both teams were clearly up for a win but it was Too Phat that got off to the better start with the first few points going their way using their newly adopted offence style. Hulltimate answered with some well taken points and some sterling defence. Overall it was Too Phat who made the least mistakes and went on to win the game. The spirit of this final was great and it was thouroghly enjoyed by everyone who played. Hulltimate can take home the consolation that they won the Coke machine call. At the opposite end of the pool, the bottom team in each pool, Grizzly Bears and Fickled Fingers met in the spoon final. The match was interesting to say the least. Bears having encountered their oppostion in the bar beforehand, knew they couldn't underestimate a team who were obviously so dedicated. They took the first few points with relief, beginners Naomi and Kate catching some superb hammers in the zone. Then Fingers scored with an impressive huck to the zone. After many gratuitous layouts from the Fingers, Bears contiuned to score fairly steadily, although long hammers took Bears by surprise on a couple more occasions. Final score 6-3. Much credit also goes to the captain Karl and to Naomi for completing Fingers' call - downing a can of lager and crushing it on their heads. The final saw the matching up of Phat 'Eds and Warwick (a common theme for the weekend) after they had both breezed through their semis fairly comfortably. They had already played each other in the pool stages of the competition and it had been a really tight contest ending with the Bears winning 6-5. Everything was set for a close rematch. However the Bears had other ideas for the final and decided they wanted to walk away with it. The Bears were pretty much dominant from the start and established an early lead. The mighty Warwick cheering then drowned out the home support, and there was only a brief comeback from the Phat Eds, as they narrowed the gap to three points. The Bears then managed to pull away again and stayed comfortably in front for the rest of the match. Effort from either side never slacked off though, and the Bears owed their big lead to continually hard D against the Sheffield offence. It was good to see high quality play from both sides and they should both stand very good chances at Student Nationals. The MVP of the final was judged and awarded by Dave Farmyard, the student coordinator. In a David Gower type speech, he commended all the players that had outstanding games in the final, but finally gave the title to Norm from Bears for a number of excellent blocks. The most important award of the day, also awarded by Farmyard, was of course the Spirit of the Game, which was won by Mwnci See narrowly beating off Just-are to take the title. The final placings: 1. Yogi Bears (University of Warwick) 2. Phat 'Eds (University of Sheffield) 3. Purple Haze (University of Loughborough) 4. Jesters (University of Leicester) 5. Funky Bears (University of Warwick) 6. Mwnci See (University of Wales, Aberystwyth) 7. Fingers 6 steps ahead of our minds (Manchester Metropolitan University) 8. Take Phat (University of Sheffield) 9. Too Phat (PLATE WINNERS, University of Sheffield) 10. Hulltimate (Hull University) 11. Just-are (University of Leicester) 12. Low Phat (University of Sheffield) 13. [In] Phat [uate] 'Ed (University of Sheffield) 14. Huggy Bears (University of Warwick) 15. Fuzzy Bears (University of Warwick) 16. Mwnci Do (University of Wales, Aberystwyth) 17. Grizzly Bears (SPOON WINNERS, University of Warwick) 18. Fickled Fingers (Junior Team, Newport, Shropshire) Thanks to Rich, Kieran, Pete and Vicky who helped contribute to this report, Dave who helped me out all weekend long and to everyone who played for making it such an enjoyable and well spirited tournament. Thanks again, Si Weeks -------------------------- 74 commonside sheffield s10 1gg 0114 266 2304 From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Nov 26 11:03:37 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA02927 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 26 Nov 1998 10:55:49 GMT Received: from dryctnath.mmu.ac.uk (dryctnath.mmu.ac.uk [149.170.190.134]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA02905 for ; Thu, 26 Nov 1998 10:55:46 GMT Received: from enterprise.mmu.ac.uk ([149.170.165.252]) by dryctnath.mmu.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.04 #1) id 0ziz60-0001ZC-00 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Thu, 26 Nov 1998 10:56:24 +0000 Received: from MMU-SCI-ENTERPRISE/SpoolDir by enterprise.mmu.ac.uk (Mercury 1.43); 26 Nov 98 10:55:45 GMT Received: from SpoolDir by MMU-SCI-ENTERPRISE (Mercury 1.43); 26 Nov 98 10:55:30 GMT From: "Lawrence PAULSON" Organization: Manchester Metropolitan University To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 10:55:23 GMT Subject: Midland Student Results? Message-ID: <40B69B43771@enterprise.mmu.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Dear Phat'Eds, Is anybody going to post the results of the Midland Student Indoors? It's the first time in years I haven't taken part and I'd love to know who won what... Love & Luck, Lawrence 'currently in-between teams' From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Nov 26 15:20:58 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id PAA18819 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 26 Nov 1998 15:03:44 GMT Received: from shrimp.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (ralf@shrimp [137.205.227.130]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA18712 for ; Thu, 26 Nov 1998 15:03:23 GMT Received: (from ralf@localhost) by shrimp.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id PAA04990 for britdisc@csv; Thu, 26 Nov 1998 15:03:20 GMT From: Ralf Message-Id: <199811261503.PAA04990@shrimp.dcs.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: new peak in subscribers To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 15:03:19 +0000 (GMT) X-Quote: Ever notice that even the busiest people are never too busy to tell you just how busy they are. X-Quote: "You can't be truly paranoid unless you're sure they have already got you." X-Freedom: 55 days... X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL35 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi there, Just a quick note to tell you that there are now over 400 subscribers to BritDisc - at the last count 404 (3pm today) That's pretty good going, and can only how demonstrate how the Ultimate scene in this country is growing... (or at least, how more of them are gaining internet access :) Ralf. ____ ____ _ _ ____ .----------------------------------------. _\__ \ _\__ \ / \ / \\__/ | Ranulf Doswell | / \_/ /_ / \_/ \ / / / /___ | Department of Computer Science | \ __ \\ __ \\ \ _\ \\_/ |University of Warwick, COVENTRY, CV4 7AL| \ \ \ \\ \ \ \\ \__/ \\ \ | Phone: 01203 523296 Fax: 01203 525714 | \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \______/ \_/ `----------------------------------------' From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Nov 26 15:21:43 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id PAA21124 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 26 Nov 1998 15:11:49 GMT Received: from venus.open.ac.uk (venus.open.ac.uk [137.108.143.2]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA21087 for ; Thu, 26 Nov 1998 15:11:44 GMT From: p.m.connor@open.ac.uk Received: from damson.open.ac.uk by venus with SMTP Local (MMTA v2.2); Thu, 26 Nov 1998 15:11:37 +0000 Received: from 1228584.open.ac.uk by damson.open.ac.uk (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA18036; Thu, 26 Nov 98 15:11:36 GMT Message-Id: <9811261511.AA18036@damson.open.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 15:11:34 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: Student indoor qualification Re: More Than Just A Tournament Report In-Reply-To: <9265FE3350@pebley.shef.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Si Weeks mentioned four teams to qualify from midlands qualifiers, people at SE qualifiers seemed to think five would be going through to nationals (as last year I think), can someone clarify this as I dare say there's the potential to quite annoy somone on this issue (and it might be Locks so careful) Pete Aliens/Kows From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Nov 26 16:14:38 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id QAA07549 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 26 Nov 1998 16:01:51 GMT Received: from europa.bton.ac.uk (europa.bton.ac.uk [194.83.112.9]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA07529 for ; Thu, 26 Nov 1998 16:01:47 GMT Received: from alpha2.bton.ac.uk ([194.81.203.3]) by europa.bton.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.92 #1) id 0zj3rX-0000js-00; Thu, 26 Nov 1998 16:01:47 +0000 Received: from localhost by alpha2.bton.ac.uk (5.65v4.0/1.1.8.2/28Jul95-0212PM) id AA12271; Thu, 26 Nov 1998 16:01:46 GMT Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 16:01:46 +0000 (GMT) From: Ali Findlay To: p.m.connor@open.ac.uk Cc: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Re: Student indoor qualification Re: More Than Just A Tournament Report In-Reply-To: <9811261511.AA18036@damson.open.ac.uk> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk On Thu, 26 Nov 1998 p.m.connor@open.ac.uk wrote: > Si Weeks mentioned four teams to qualify from midlands qualifiers, > people at SE qualifiers seemed to think five would be going through > to nationals (as last year I think), can someone clarify this as I > dare say there's the potential to quite annoy somone on this issue > (and it might be Locks so careful) > > Pete > Aliens/Kows > I was going to raise this point as well. I didn't hear any different from Dave Barnard so I assumed that the Status Quo would reign, and therefore 5 would qualify. ALi t.d s.e regionals From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Nov 26 16:38:30 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id QAA14114 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 26 Nov 1998 16:23:16 GMT Received: from shrimp.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (ralf@shrimp [137.205.227.130]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA14100 for ; Thu, 26 Nov 1998 16:23:13 GMT Received: (from ralf@localhost) by shrimp.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id QAA05448 for britdisc@csv; Thu, 26 Nov 1998 16:23:11 GMT From: Ralf Message-Id: <199811261623.QAA05448@shrimp.dcs.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Student indoor qualification Re: More Than Just A Tournament Report In-Reply-To: <9811261511.AA18036@damson.open.ac.uk> from "p.m.connor@open.ac.uk" at "Nov 26, 98 03:11:34 pm" To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 16:23:10 +0000 (GMT) X-Quote: I think there is a world market for about five computers. -- Thomas J. Watson, CEO, IBM Corporation, 1947 X-Quote: My employer rents my time. They sure don't own my opinions. X-Freedom: 55 days... X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL35 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk > Si Weeks mentioned four teams to qualify from midlands qualifiers, > people at SE qualifiers seemed to think five would be going through > to nationals (as last year I think), can someone clarify this as I > dare say there's the potential to quite annoy somone on this issue > (and it might be Locks so careful) Certainly in previous years, the number qualifying from each region was determined by the number of clubs in that region. Frequently, the southern regions got more qualifying places than the midlands and northern regions. Ralf. ____ ____ _ _ ____ .----------------------------------------. _\__ \ _\__ \ / \ / \\__/ | Ranulf Doswell | / \_/ /_ / \_/ \ / / / /___ | Department of Computer Science | \ __ \\ __ \\ \ _\ \\_/ |University of Warwick, COVENTRY, CV4 7AL| \ \ \ \\ \ \ \\ \__/ \\ \ | Phone: 01203 523296 Fax: 01203 525714 | \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \______/ \_/ `----------------------------------------' From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Nov 26 17:48:12 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id RAA05532 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 26 Nov 1998 17:33:40 GMT Received: from pp2.shef.ac.uk (pp2.shef.ac.uk [143.167.1.32]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA05513 for ; Thu, 26 Nov 1998 17:33:36 GMT Received: from [143.167.79.249] (helo=pebley.shef.ac.uk) by pp2.shef.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.02 #5) id 0zj5IO-0002rI-00 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Thu, 26 Nov 1998 17:33:36 +0000 Received: from PEBLEY/SpoolDir by pebley.shef.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); 26 Nov 98 17:33:36 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by PEBLEY (Mercury 1.43); 26 Nov 98 17:33:28 +0000 From: "Si Weeks" To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 17:33:24 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Student indoor qualification X-mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.31 Message-ID: <992FB44C05@pebley.shef.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hello everyone, Dave Farmyard's email is down at the moment (probably for about a week), so he asks anyone who needs to contact him urgently to phone him on 01222 373095 or 0411 691129. As far as qualification is concerned Leeds have requested only sixteen teams attend the tournament at Leeds, so that is the way it stands. Dave says he will speak to Leeds, but makes no guarentees to increase the entries. There have also been a couple of problems with the date for the North student qualifiers in January form defending champions St Andrews and tournament hopefuls (hopeless?) Leeds. Dave is also looking into this and would like Spicer to contact him asap. Hope that makes things a little clearer, Si Weeks. -------------------------- 74 commonside sheffield s10 1gg 0114 266 2304 From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Nov 27 01:17:29 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id BAA06206 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 27 Nov 1998 01:05:07 GMT Received: from tantalum.btinternet.com (tantalum.btinternet.com [194.73.73.80]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id BAA06200 for ; Fri, 27 Nov 1998 01:05:05 GMT Received: from btinternet.com [62.172.61.159] by tantalum.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 1.70 #1) id 0zjCJq-0001T6-00; Fri, 27 Nov 1998 01:03:35 +0000 Message-ID: To: britdisc MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mark Jefferson Subject: Re: Student Regionals Date: Fri, 27 Nov 98 01:06:23 GMT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id BAA06201 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Just following this "fith team" debate. Weren't there "extenuating circumstances" for the inclusion of that "fith team" last year? Go on! - one extra team never hurt anybody..... Mark (Unashamed Bears fan) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Nov 27 12:49:01 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA25164 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 27 Nov 1998 12:32:35 GMT Received: from mps3.leeds.ac.uk (sunserv5.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.16.35]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA25107 for ; Fri, 27 Nov 1998 12:32:27 GMT Received: from south-02.novell.leeds.ac.uk (south-02.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.76.2]) by mps3.leeds.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA26504 for ; Fri, 27 Nov 1998 12:32:26 GMT Received: from LUCS-H12/SpoolDir by south-02.novell.leeds.ac.uk (Mercury 1.43); 27 Nov 98 12:32:15 GMT0BST Received: from SpoolDir by LUCS-H12 (Mercury 1.43); 27 Nov 98 12:31:46 GMT0BST From: "J.Chewins" Organization: University of Leeds To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 12:31:21 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: How many teams? X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.54) Message-ID: <935CEF26E2@south-02.novell.leeds.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk I suppose that i had better get into this discussion seeing as i'm the TD for the Student Nationals. When i put my bid in last year i said that i would only want 16 teams at the nationals. This is for several reasons, but mainly because of the fact that the fewer teams there are the longer the games will be and the sooner we can have one super large pitch to play on (no walls to crash into!!). At the moment if 16 teams come along the pool games will be 20 mins each and then the game times will get longer the further into the tourney we go. If there are 20 teams the game time will be less (obviously!). When i planned the tourney i again took into consideration that (as happened last year) some regions may be stronger than others. It will be down to Dave Barnard to sort out which regions are stronger than others. I always thought things would be easiest if the top 4 teams from each region qualified. If the people who have already had their regional qualifiers didn't know that it was only top 4 that qualified then i'm sorry but this was stated when the bid was made last year. Congratulations to the teams who have made it, official invites will be out once all of the regionals have been played. Hopefully Jedi will (?) qualify for the nationals, although how they are going to do it still has to be sorted out. Does anyone know anymore about a time and place for the Northern Regionals? The sooner we know a date the better as transport needs to be booked from the union. Cheers Chewy From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Nov 27 13:18:38 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id NAA05264 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 27 Nov 1998 13:05:49 GMT Received: from newmail.virgin.net (newmail.virgin.net [194.168.54.44]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA05228 for ; Fri, 27 Nov 1998 13:05:43 GMT Received: from cow ([194.168.69.63]) by newmail.virgin.net (Post.Office MTA Undefined release Undefined ID# 0-52107U250000L250000S0V35) with SMTP id net for ; Fri, 27 Nov 1998 13:13:39 +0000 Message-ID: <365EA339.67B1@virgin.net> Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 13:03:53 +0000 From: Iain Roberts Reply-To: iain.roberts2@virgin.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-VN710-003 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Imperial Contact Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Could anyone from Imperial, Joe or Alex I guess, who reads this get in contact with Iain from Skunks RE mini-tournament in Southampton. Either mail back, or phone (leave message) on 0403 649558. We've had at team drop out so you can come down if you want. IEUAN Skunks Sec From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Nov 27 14:30:43 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id OAA26844 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 27 Nov 1998 14:17:20 GMT Received: from mx0.dircon.net (mx0.dircon.net [194.112.50.10]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA26816 for ; Fri, 27 Nov 1998 14:17:17 GMT Received: from [194.112.54.19] (th-en135-019.pool.dircon.co.uk [194.112.54.19]) by mx0.dircon.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA06219 for ; Fri, 27 Nov 1998 14:14:29 GMT Message-Id: <199811271414.OAA06219@mx0.dircon.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.0a (190) Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 02:20:20 +0000 Subject: Publicity Officer? From: "Ollie Watson" To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Could someone let me know the name, telephone number or email address of the current BUF publicity officer. Thanks, Ollie From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sat Nov 28 21:16:50 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id VAA24784 for britdisc-outgoing; Sat, 28 Nov 1998 21:03:33 GMT Received: from www08.netaddress.usa.net (www08.netaddress.usa.net [204.68.24.28]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id VAA24773 for ; Sat, 28 Nov 1998 21:03:31 GMT From: neil.cooper@usa.net Received: (qmail 28851 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Nov 1998 21:03:29 -0000 Message-ID: <19981128210329.28850.qmail@www08.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 203.97.104.13 by www.netaddress.com via web-mailer(3.1) on Sat Nov 28 21:03:29 GMT 1998 Date: 28 Nov 98 14:03:29 MST To: britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Subject: Worlds vs Tour Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk All, Here's my general comments about the whole World clubs stuff. I know from first hand that for some teams the worlds situation will affect the competiveness of teams in the tour. The tour has been excellent for UK Ultimate and should not be distracted from through the general merry go round of losing / gaining players so that they can spend six (probably wet) days in Scotland in August. Just something to bear in mind. Coops - Headrush. (last message before unsubscribing - just off to practice in Auckland - then down to Wellington next weekend for the North Island championships, then off round South Island for a few weeks. Weather is not much better than UK but supposedly its a blip. General abuse can be sent to neil.cooper@usa.net. ) P.S. Geo !!!!!!! ____________________________________________________________________ Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sun Nov 29 13:58:48 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id NAA19406 for britdisc-outgoing; Sun, 29 Nov 1998 13:45:48 GMT Received: from stork.cf.ac.uk (stork.cf.ac.uk [131.251.0.209]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA19397 for ; Sun, 29 Nov 1998 13:45:45 GMT Received: from MAINCF3M.CF.AC.UK (actually host testcf1s.cf.ac.uk) by stork.cf.ac.uk with SMTP-LOC (PP); Sun, 29 Nov 1998 13:45:12 +0000 Received: from MAINCF3M/SpoolDir by MAINCF3M.CF.AC.UK (Mercury 1.43); 29 Nov 98 13:45:12 GMT0BST Received: from SpoolDir by MAINCF3M (Mercury 1.43); 29 Nov 98 13:05:55 GMT0BST Received: from SpoolDir by MAINCF3M (Mercury 1.43); 29 Nov 98 05:53:17 GMT0BST Received: from SpoolDir by MAINCF3M (Mercury 1.43); 27 Nov 98 13:54:54 GMT0BST Received: from SpoolDir by HUMSCF2S (Mercury 1.43); 19 Nov 98 16:45:34 GMT0BST From: "DAVID BARNARD" To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 16:45:25 GMT0BST Subject: Student elligability X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.54) Message-ID: <5E0FDCB3190@HUMSCF2S.CF.AC.UK> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Students, I would like to take this opportunity to appologise in advance for my bad spelling, I can't help it so no comments. Right, I have had a lot of people asking me if they are elligable to play at student tournaments this year. Basically the obvious non-elligable people are University Staff and people in a gap year. The slightly more complicated issue is that of post grad and part time students. This relies (as does the rest of the elligability rules) on your honesty and spirit to abide by the rules. The rule for part time students from the official BUF student elligability rules is: "Part time students must be able to demonstrate that their student status is their primary occupation." Therefore people who are in jobs that allow that person to go on day release or something of that sort are not elligable to play. Being a student must me the main thing that you do, not a job. This applies to people doing post grad couses as well. If their main occupation is being a student then they are elligable to play.. The rules also say "If you are in doubt about a players elligability then the student co-ordinator (ME) should be contacted to confirm the players status but no exceptions can be made - IGNORANCE IS NOT AN EXCUSE" So get in contact with me is you have any doubt, follow Sonics (for those who don't know him - a postgrad from southampton uni) example and ring me and ask - 01222 373095 Finally the rules state: "Any team fielding a non - elligable player faces disqualification from that and next years competition." Those are the official rules so be it on your head, I hope that people will not now field unelligable players as doind so is against the much recently debated SPIRIT OF THE GAME which student teams are suppost to have LOADS of. I hope I have cleared up any problems or questions and helped make this years student tournaments a purley student event. Dave Barnard (22) - student co-ordinator From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Nov 30 07:59:53 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id HAA16786 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 07:47:05 GMT Received: from gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (ralf@gem [137.205.227.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA16781 for ; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 07:47:03 GMT Received: (from ralf@localhost) by gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id HAA22035 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 07:47:01 GMT Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 07:47:01 GMT From: Ranulf Doswell Message-Id: <199811300747.HAA22035@gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: BFDF Events Reminder Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk British Flying Disc Federation Disc Events Diary ------------------------------------------------ The events list can also be found at http://www.dcs.warwick.ac.uk/~ralf/bfdf/ ---------- Saturday 19th December 1998 Southampton Indoors (2 days) [Indoor Ultimate] Contact Suzanne Penfold Email scp195@soton.ac.uk Saturday 9th January 1999 Red Co-ed Indoors (2 days) @ Aylestone Leisure Centre, Leicester. [Indoor Ultimate] note change of venue Contact Leicester Ultimate Club (Red) Address PO Box 1075 Leicester LE2 1YQ Email red@ultimateweb.co.uk Phone 0116 2559638 (Ben Ravilious) Saturday 16th January 1999 Newport Indoors (2 days) @ Newport [Indoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Address 81 Bittern Avenue Abbeydale Gloucester GL4 4WG Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Phone 01242 543299 (work) 01452 380529 (home) Saturday 13th February 1999 Warwick Indoors (2 days) [Indoor Ultimate] Contact Mike Clements (Percy) Email ecumu@csv.warwick.ac.uk URL http://www.csv.warwick.ac.uk/~suaaz/ Women's Indoor Nationals (2 days) @ The University of Leeds [Women's Indoor Ultimate] Contact Rachel Jacobs Email lec6rej@leeds.ac.uk Phone 0113 224 2891 Saturday 27th February 1999 National Student Indoors (2 days) @ Leeds [Students' Indoor Ultimate] TD Jon Chewins Email bgy6jgc@South-02.novell.leeds.ac.uk Saturday 6th March 1999 Indoor Regionals (2 days) [Indoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Address 81 Bittern Avenue Abbeydale Gloucester GL4 4WG Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Phone 01242 543299 (work) 01452 380529 (home) Saturday 13th March 1999 Indoor Regionals (2 days) [Indoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Address 81 Bittern Avenue Abbeydale Gloucester GL4 4WG Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Phone 01242 543299 (work) 01452 380529 (home) Saturday 20th March 1999 Indoor Nationals (2 days) [Indoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Address 81 Bittern Avenue Abbeydale Gloucester GL4 4WG Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Phone 01242 543299 (work) 01452 380529 (home) Saturday 27th March 1999 Red Outdoors (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Leicester Ultimate Club (Red) Address PO Box 1075 Leicester LE2 1YQ Email red@ultimateweb.co.uk Phone 0116 2559638 (Ben Ravilious) Saturday 3rd April 1999 Dublin Outdoors (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 10th April 1999 Tour I (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Address 81 Bittern Avenue Abbeydale Gloucester GL4 4WG Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Phone 01242 543299 (work) 01452 380529 (home) Saturday 1st May 1999 Brugge (2 days) TBC [Outdoor Ultimate Abroad] Saturday 8th May 1999 Tour II (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Address 81 Bittern Avenue Abbeydale Gloucester GL4 4WG Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Phone 01242 543299 (work) 01452 380529 (home) Thursday 13th May 1999 Rotterdam (4 days) TBC [Outdoor Ultimate Abroad] Saturday 5th June 1999 Tour III (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Address 81 Bittern Avenue Abbeydale Gloucester GL4 4WG Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Phone 01242 543299 (work) 01452 380529 (home) Saturday 12th June 1999 Fiesta (2 days) TBC [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Laura Lafave Email lafave@cs.bris.ac.uk Phone (w) +44-117-954 5128 Saturday 26th June 1999 Tour IV (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Address 81 Bittern Avenue Abbeydale Gloucester GL4 4WG Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Phone 01242 543299 (work) 01452 380529 (home) Saturday 17th July 1999 Tour V (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Address 81 Bittern Avenue Abbeydale Gloucester GL4 4WG Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Phone 01242 543299 (work) 01452 380529 (home) Saturday 24th July 1999 Ross on Wye (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 7th August 1999 Worlds (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate Abroad] Saturday 14th August 1999 Worlds (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate Abroad] Saturday 25th September 1999 Nationals (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Address 81 Bittern Avenue Abbeydale Gloucester GL4 4WG Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Phone 01242 543299 (work) 01452 380529 (home) ---------------------------------------------------------- British Flying Disc Federation Disc Events Diary http://www.dcs.warwick.ac.uk/~ralf/bfdf/ Ranulf Doswell, ralf@dcs.warwick.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Nov 30 10:37:06 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA14905 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 10:23:28 GMT Received: from himiko.brunel.ac.uk (pp@himiko.brunel.ac.uk [134.83.108.3]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA14863 for ; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 10:23:22 GMT Received: from edg-02 (actually s28n181.brunel.ac.uk) by himiko.brunel.ac.uk with SMTP-BRUNEL (PP); Mon, 30 Nov 1998 10:23:03 +0000 Message-ID: <003e01be1c4a$3074c830$b51c5386@edg-02.brunel.ac.uk> From: Ultimate To: britdisc Subject: Thanks to the Skunks Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 10:14:17 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003B_01BE1C4A.304B9550" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003B_01BE1C4A.304B9550 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks to the Skunks for holding the mini-tournament this weekend, we = all had a great laugh. Thanks to everyone for making our first outing = into the Ultimate world very enjoyable (Although it would have been nice = to win a game!). Cheers, Martin Brunel Falcons PS "Look at me" - We owe you a pint! ------=_NextPart_000_003B_01BE1C4A.304B9550 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks to the Skunks for holding the = mini-tournament this weekend, we all had a great laugh.  Thanks to = everyone=20 for making our first outing into the Ultimate world very enjoyable = (Although it=20 would have been nice to win a game!).
 
Cheers,
 
Martin
Brunel Falcons
 
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------=_NextPart_000_003B_01BE1C4A.304B9550-- From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Nov 30 11:33:06 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id LAA02673 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 11:18:05 GMT Received: from pop.esat.net (ernie.esat.net [192.111.39.10]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA02602 for ; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 11:17:53 GMT Received: from sepro.ie (mailserver.sepro.ie [193.120.132.131]) by pop.esat.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA18239 for ; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 11:11:36 GMT Received: from sepro_peterb [192.168.1.106] by sepro.ie [192.168.1.2] with SMTP (MDaemon.v2.7.SP3.R) for ; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 11:13:59 +0000 From: "Peter Bennison" To: "Britdisc" Subject: Looking for Spicer ... Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 11:17:05 -0000 Message-ID: <000a01be1c52$f64510d0$6a01a8c0@sepro_peterb.sepro.ie> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19981130105837.007ab630@mail2.tcd.ie> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Reply-To: pbennison@sepro.ie Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hello, Can Spicer (of Edinburgh Tournament Director fame) contact me ASAP, Thanks, Peter Pookas - Dublin Ultimate From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Nov 30 12:55:12 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA02634 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 12:41:16 GMT Received: from mee02.mee.com (meefw01.mee.com [194.130.244.66]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA02606 for ; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 12:41:09 GMT From: Guy.Kennett@meuk.mee.com Received: by meefw01.mee.com id AA06598 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk); Mon, 30 Nov 1998 12:31:22 GMT Received: by meefw01.mee.com (Internal Mail Agent-2); Mon, 30 Nov 1998 12:31:22 GMT Received: by meefw01.mee.com (Internal Mail Agent-1); Mon, 30 Nov 1998 12:31:22 GMT Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 12:35:36 +0000 Message-Id: <00006725.4199@meuk.mee.com> Subject: BAF 'Ego Wang Fest' Tournament - RESULTS To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Cc: BAF Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Blue Arse Flies International Indoor Tournament ______oOo______ 'EGO WANG FEST' ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ First, it was not rigged. Second - The biggest wanngers won with biger wangs than the well wanged Dutch (LCF) in the International final. Third - the results... 1 BAF 1 2 LCF 3 UTT 4 Shrub (no TLA?) 5 Night Fever 6 Shark 7 Bears 8 Whiplash 9 BAF 2 PLATE WINNERS 10 FUBAR 11 Red 12 Slipdisc 13 Monkey C 14 Mud Culture SPIRIT WINNERS And now the story, jackanory.... For most the first indoor tourny of the season, and it took some time to change gear from out-door to indoor... ie for indoor ignore the mid field and wang a pin-point(ish) hammer to the glory seaker in the end-zone. The 2 pools went almost to seed except for a surprise victory by BAF over higher seeded UTT to take pool 1 (see, not rigged), and after a hard fought game LCF took pool 2 from top seeds Shrub. As is usually the case when people are warm and dry, the spirit in all games was excellent, and the level and speed of play very entertaining, sorry to Mud for 15-1, but its that ego thing :( Crossovers followed the pools with BAF1, UTT, LCF and Shrub heading for the semis in the Rec Centre. LCF edging out UTT after 3 turnovers in sudden death while BAF1 wanged their way to a close victory over the excellent defending Shrub (nee Mr.Men). Toptastic layout score by John off of a flipper(!) not withstanding. Meanwhile... BAF2 and the rapidly improving FUBAR made it through to the plate final, which turned into a contested match between these neighbouring teams. Big grabs by Luke for FUBAR no match for the poaching skills of Ploddy, G, and Jane on BAF. The final started well for BAF going 3-1 up, the HUGHES -> Merrick wang from shotgun/iso/bodyform 'O' working well, Harrold replied with interest for LCF trading high intensity, zero error, points to 10-8 where an offensive mis-throw gave BAF the turnover and score to go 11-8 then run-on to 15-9 with 10 minutes of the 30 minute clock left. Final score 19-12. Memorable layouts from HUGHES for a score, Sich on most things but best was a dump pass (eeek) from Merrick, and sticky fingered Merrick on a shit pass from Balti (OK I mentioned it). I made no errors, stayed upright, and was not leaking blood in the showers. Spirit went to the farthest travelling team, Mud Culture, for both on and off pitch antics. Thanks again to FUBAR for the accomodation, and to HUGHES for help in organising and last minute re-scheduling of the event. Thats it, report compiled using MS Hearsay98, any mistakes are intentionaly there to create more email to read at work. Guy aka Tintin BAFWON ___________________________________________________________________ Brought to you in association with I like shouting, its my hobby Inc From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Nov 30 19:54:11 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id TAA14442 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 19:36:58 GMT Received: from clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@clover-fddi [137.205.4.2]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA14428 for ; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 19:36:55 GMT Received: from hotmail.com (f25.hotmail.com [207.82.250.36]) by clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id TAA06617 for ; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 19:36:51 GMT Received: (qmail 18918 invoked by uid 0); 30 Nov 1998 19:36:09 -0000 Message-ID: <19981130193609.18917.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 129.11.16.1 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 11:36:09 PST X-Originating-IP: [129.11.16.1] From: "Arun - Janitors" To: Britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 11:36:09 PST Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk A game of two halves, the magic of the cup and Fever Pitch were some of the underlying feelings at the five-a-side footy match last weekend. Eight teams congregated in Leeds, all with the desire to take home the most prestigious ultimate honour. At 10am on sat morn the talking was over and the walking began. Janitors crushed Jedi Children 6-1, in the opening 'derby' game, with Catch 22 losing to Superfly, but picking up the points against UTI to win Group B. Meanwhile in Group A The Beechwood massive topped the table. Janitors/UTI (the expected final) were drawn in the 1/4 final's, but the 1/4 final match that was remembered was Jedi/Yorks Water, where unfortunately Iain added his name to that great list of Pearce, Waddle and Southgate. UTI triumphed over Janitors 4-2, and Beechwood Massive toppled Superfly. However Catch 22 were lucky to move into the semi's with a victory over More Janitors. After going behind, 2-1, their change in formation was still unable to breakdown the defensive rock of Heath and Polkinhorn, but in the dying seconds they scored five late goals to secure their place in the semi's. The Beechwood boys continued to grow in strength and Yorks Water goal drought only made their route to the final easier. The other semi, provided an opportunity for UTI to gain revenge from the group stages. After a delayed start because due problems on the local transport, it finally kicked off in front of a packed 50 seater stadium. UTI took an early lead through Shipley and Tucker, but Catch kept their heads to bring the score level through Nistri C and Himms. The final minutes were frantic, with the pendulum swinging between the two teams, and just as the fans were preparing for penalties a solo effort from Minot sealed victory from Catch. Catch went on to win in the final, 7-3, with some fine individual efforts from Nistri P & Larkin with Himms, picking up the man of the match award. That concludes this years report, soz about the Alarm code Mark, seeya next year, Janitors ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Dec 1 18:47:47 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id SAA15393 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 18:30:15 GMT Received: from admin.warwick.ac.uk (sigma [137.205.249.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA11211; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 18:20:52 GMT Received: from SIGMA/SpoolDir by admin.warwick.ac.uk (Mercury 1.40); 1 Dec 98 18:21:14 GMT+0000 Received: from SpoolDir by SIGMA (Mercury 1.40); 1 Dec 98 18:20:24 GMT+0000 From: "Derek Robins" Organization: University of Warwick, CV4 7AL, UK To: Disc.Golf.Distribution@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 18:20:19 +0000 (GMT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Dinner and Awards CC: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Message-ID: <3D6E3F267B9@admin.warwick.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Disc Golfers, The BDGA dinner was held last Saturday evening and it went very well. Good time had by all and all that ...Next year we will run it alongside the singles matchplay championships (to be held at Quarry Park). The awards went to BDGA Tour - Open Derek Robins BDGA Tour - Women Ruth Lissaman BDGA Tour - Junior Oran Villiers-Stuart Most Improved Richard Sampson (Ruth and Pete Monk get honourable mentions) Best TD Toby Green (Caledonian Open and Hayling get honourable mentions) Contribution to BDGA Bongos (Liam/Trevor, Del and Bud get honourable mentions) Spirit Tony Wakeford (12 others got votes) Del http://www.ultimateweb.co.uk/bdga/ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Dec 2 00:19:15 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id AAA14271 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 00:05:09 GMT Received: from mail-gw1.webleicester.net (mailgate.webleicester.co.uk [195.146.160.12]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA14262 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 00:05:05 GMT Received: from pii266 (pool-pri1-013.webleicester.co.uk [195.146.164.13]) by mail-gw1.webleicester.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id XAA10620 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 23:58:47 GMT Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 00:10:42 -0000 Message-ID: <01BE1D88.3306E440.bravil@webleicester.co.uk> From: Ben Ravilious Reply-To: "bravil@webleicester.co.uk" To: "'BRITDISC'" Subject: ARE YOU ON THIS LIST? Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 00:08:16 -0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Folks, If your team is not listed below then please contact me now. There are some womens teams missing which I know about (email me anyway - might as well have up-to-date details). Violently Happy and Lurkers are two obvious ones who are not on the list - any others? Ben Teams on BUF contact list:- ALBATROSS ALIEN NATION BEARS BIZARRE GARDENING ACCIDENT BLISS BLUE ARSE FLIES BRUNEL FALCONS CATCH 22 CHARNWOOD SUNZ CHEVRON ACTION FLASH CHURCH TEAM DANE RAIDERS DISCIPLES DISCO INFERNO DISCULT DUMP FRENZY DURHAM UNIVERSITY EDINBURGH UNIVERSITY WOMENS ESSEX UNIVERSITY FAR FLUNG FICKLED FINGERS (NEW COLLEGE WELLINGTON) FINGERS 6 FIRST TOUCH FLUID DRUIDS FLYING SORCERERS GB JUNIOR TEAM GRANTHAM COLLEGE HEADINGTON HORRORS HEADRUSH HIGH PIE HINT OF LIME HULLTIMATE HURRICANES JEDI CHILDREN JESTERS K-NIGGETS LEEDS UNIVERSITY WOMEN MAD KOWS MILD MANNERED JANITORS MOHAWKS MORE THAN JUST A HINT MORPHINE LOGIC MUD CULTURE MWNCI SEE MYTHAGO NADS NIGHT FEVER NO FRILLS NORTHERN LIGHTS OW! PDQ PETROLEUM PHAT 'EDS PICNIC IN THE SKY POOKAS PURPLE HAZE QUEEN MARY AND WESTFIELD UNIVERSITY RED RESERVOIR FISH SHOTGUN SHREWSBURY SKUNKS SNEEEKY'S SOUTHAMPTON INSTITUTE SOUTHERN LIGHTS SPUD GUN STAFFORDSHIRE UNIVERSITY STRANGE BLUE SUPERFLY TATTVA RATS THE SOURCE TWIN PEAKS UNDER THE INFLUENCE UNI. OF WALES INSTITUTE CARDIFF URIEL UWE VICIOUS CIRCLE WHIPLASH WILD STALLIONS YORKIE BAR KIDS From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Dec 2 10:34:38 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA15028 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 10:22:00 GMT Received: from mercury.king.ac.uk (mercury.king.ac.uk [141.241.4.24]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA15008 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 10:21:57 GMT Received: from bob.king.ac.uk by mercury.king.ac.uk with SMTP (MMTA 2) with ESMTP; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 10:21:49 +0000 Received: from BOB/SpoolDir by bob.king.ac.uk (Mercury 1.43); 2 Dec 98 10:21:49 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by BOB (Mercury 1.43); 2 Dec 98 10:21:43 +0000 From: Sick Boy Organization: Kingston University To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 10:21:39 +0000 Subject: Masters at World Clubs X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.54) Message-ID: <32B832E1332@bob.king.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk As I understand it, only two open teams will represent GB at World Clubs (UTI and Catch). This should mean that there are many (bucket loads) players who will be eligible (and keen) to play for the team that gets the GB slot in the masters division. I already have the interest of a number of players, but want/need more. Ex-Shotgunners, Druids, Violently Happy, Lurkers. There must be loads of you who are interested. Practices will start in the New Year, and I have a sponsor on board already. I need someone to coach. Get in touch soon to join in. Cheers Colin ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Colin "Sick Boy" Smith "K-Niggets" Ultimate Club Kingston University k967338@kingston.ac.uk Tel: (0181) 942 8050 From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Dec 3 15:00:03 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id OAA08920 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 14:40:08 GMT Received: from ntintel1.webleicester.co.uk (www.lansystems.co.uk [195.146.160.4]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA08895 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 14:40:04 GMT Received: by www.lansystems.co.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 14:40:46 -0000 Message-ID: From: Ian Scotland To: "britdisc (E-mail)" Subject: Red Co-ed Reminder Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 14:40:45 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id OAA08908 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Don't forget the RED Co-ED tournament on January 9-10 1999 THE FIRST ULTIMATE TOURNAMENT OF 1999 So far 9 teams have entered, and we can only take a maximum of 14! So get those entries in asap. Here's the invite once again........ We are pleased to invite you to our second attempt at an Indoor co-ed tournament to be held at Leicester Ayelstone Leisure centre on the weekend of the 9-10th January 1999. It could be the last co-ed indoors this millenium, so you can't afford to miss it. The cost per entry is £90 to cover the costs of hall hire and BUF taxes (we are not making a penny!). In order to have plenty of playing time the maximum number of teams has been set at 14, so get your entries in quickly. Co-ed rules Teams must have at least 2 players of each sex on the pitch at all times (i.e. 3 men/2 women OR 3 women/2 men) failure to do so means forfeit of the game - simple as that. Accommodation Accommodation will be available in Leicester at the numerous local players houses, although the quality may vary widely. We can guarantee no more than floor space. We will of course supply a list of B&B's/Hotels to anyone who requires the comfy option. To enter please fill in the form below and return it to us with a cheque for £90 made payable to Red Ultimate Club. Unfortunately, we cannot accept entries without payment. The closing date for entries is 11th December 1998. See you there Scott Team Name: <<...>> Contact Address: <<...>> Telephone <<...>> Email <<...>> Send entries to: Red Co-ed Tournament, 75 John Street, Enderby, Leicester. LE9 5LF. ______________________________________________ Ian Scotland - Web Design Manager, WEBLEICESTER E-Mail: scott@webleicester.net http://www.webleicester.co.uk/ Tel: 0116 2230074 From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Dec 3 16:43:06 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id QAA16122 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 16:27:17 GMT Received: from epunix.biols.susx.ac.uk (root@epunix.biols.susx.ac.uk [139.184.162.2]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id QAA16082 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 16:27:12 GMT Received: from localhost (603 bytes) by epunix.biols.susx.ac.uk via sendmail with P:stdio/R:acukbind/T:smtp (sender: ) (ident using unix) id for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 16:27:11 +0000 (GMT) (Smail-3.2.0.101 1997-Dec-17 #10 built 1998-Feb-1) Message-Id: From: kevinbr@biols.susx.ac.uk (Kevin Brooks) Subject: Re: Red Co-ed Reminder To: Scott@webleicester.net (Ian Scotland) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 16:27:10 +0000 (GMT) Cc: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk In-Reply-To: from "Ian Scotland" at Dec 3, 98 02:40:45 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL20] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk > > Don't forget the RED Co-ED tournament on January 9-10 1999 > > THE FIRST ULTIMATE TOURNAMENT OF 1999 Eh? I thought it was *indoors* ? Locks. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Dec 3 17:17:51 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id RAA28128 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 17:01:54 GMT Received: from crane.cf.ac.uk (crane.cf.ac.uk [131.251.0.45]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA28094 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 17:01:48 GMT Received: from PARKCF2S.CF.AC.UK by crane.cf.ac.uk with SMTP-LOC (PP); Thu, 3 Dec 1998 17:00:34 +0000 Received: from PARKCF2S/SpoolDir by PARKCF2S.CF.AC.UK (Mercury 1.43); 3 Dec 98 17:00:32 GMT0BST Received: from SpoolDir by PARKCF2S (Mercury 1.43); 3 Dec 98 17:00:05 GMT0BST From: No Frills To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 16:59:58 GMT0BST Subject: SW Indoors results Reply-to: Nofrillss@cardiff.ac.uk X-mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.41 (NDS, preview) Message-ID: Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi all, I assume that noone has sent out the results yet. Apppologies if I get it slightly wrong it,s from memory (correct me if I am wrong) 1) OW! 2) MYTHAGO 3) NO FRILLS 4) MYTHAGO 2 5) PICNIC 6) URIEL 7) OW 2 8) NO SPILLS plate winners 9) PICNIC 2 10) MYTHAGO 3 11) UWE 12) NO SKILLS 13) NO DRILLS 14) URIEL 2 15) PICNINC 3 Yep, I'm sure that's right. Spirit winners were Uriel 2 MVP in the final was Phil (OW!) and that's it. Thanks to all who attend, the future looks good for student ultimate (In the south west anyway) Dave From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Dec 4 10:42:06 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA25474 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 10:28:14 GMT Received: from beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk (beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.129.138]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA25459 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 10:28:10 GMT Received: from cedar.sucs.soton.ac.uk (cedar.sucs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.128.92]) by beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.8/relay-02) with ESMTP id KAA01545 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 10:28:09 GMT Received: from soca-23.sucs.soc.soton.ac.uk (soca-23.sucs.soc.soton.ac.uk [139.166.226.45]) by cedar.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.8/relay-02) with SMTP id KAA29452 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 10:21:22 GMT From: Clara Reply-To: cld195@soton.ac.uk To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Glow in the dark disc Message-ID: Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 10:25:32 +0000 (GMT) X-Mailer: Simeon for Windows Version 4.1.4 Build (40) X-Authentication: none MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hello, I'm looking for a glow in the dark disc in time for xmas. Does anyone have any ideas? I would be most grateful for any info. Cheers muchly Clare.xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Groupie skunk girlie/player(probably debatable) ---------------------- Clara cld195@soton.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Dec 4 11:20:50 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id LAA06552 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 11:06:50 GMT Received: from himiko.brunel.ac.uk (pp@himiko.brunel.ac.uk [134.83.108.3]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA06534 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 11:06:47 GMT Received: from edg-02 (actually s28n181.brunel.ac.uk) by himiko.brunel.ac.uk with SMTP-BRUNEL (PP); Fri, 4 Dec 1998 11:06:08 +0000 Message-ID: <002601be1f74$d70f8ae0$b51c5386@edg-02.brunel.ac.uk> From: Ultimate To: britdisc Subject: Contact with J Spicer? Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 10:57:09 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0023_01BE1F74.D6E630F0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01BE1F74.D6E630F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear all, If anyone is in contact with James Spicer can you please get him to get = in touch with me on Ultimate@brunel.ac.uk or phone me on 07957 327 622. Does anyone have a phone number for him? Cheers, Martin Brunel Falcons ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01BE1F74.D6E630F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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If anyone is in contact with James Spicer can you = please get=20 him to get in touch with me on Ultimate@brunel.ac.uk or phone = me on=20 07957 327 622.
 
Does anyone have a phone number for=20 him?
 
Cheers,
 
Martin
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------=_NextPart_000_0023_01BE1F74.D6E630F0-- From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Dec 4 13:13:42 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA11292 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 12:58:16 GMT Received: from beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk (beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.129.138]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA11279 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 12:58:13 GMT Received: from cedar.sucs.soton.ac.uk (cedar.sucs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.128.92]) by beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.8/relay-02) with ESMTP id MAA04997 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 12:58:12 GMT Received: from soca-21.sucs.soc.soton.ac.uk (soca-21.sucs.soc.soton.ac.uk [139.166.226.43]) by cedar.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.8/relay-02) with SMTP id MAA14248 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 12:50:16 GMT From: Clara Reply-To: cld195@soton.ac.uk To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Cheers...... Message-ID: Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 12:54:29 +0000 (GMT) X-Mailer: Simeon for Windows Version 4.1.4 Build (40) X-Authentication: none MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk .....muchly for all those replies. Sellafield was too far to go, thanks Harv!!!!! Take care of you all Love Clare.xxxxxxxxx ---------------------- Clara cld195@soton.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Dec 4 16:22:49 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id QAA06960 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 16:06:37 GMT Received: from relay.mail.pipex.net (relay.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.38] (may be forged)) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id QAA06925 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 16:06:31 GMT From: David.R.Hall@rbi.co.uk Received: (qmail 2943 invoked from network); 4 Dec 1998 14:21:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imagw.rbinet.co.uk) (194.201.25.18) by relay.mail.pipex.net with SMTP; 4 Dec 1998 14:21:38 -0000 Received: from ccMail by imagw.rbinet.co.uk (IMA Internet Exchange 2.12 Enterprise) id 001B3FE0; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 14:04:55 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 13:59:50 +0000 Message-ID: <001B3FE0.4126@rbi.co.uk> Subject: Re: Cheers...... To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk I like the idea of a good scam - so anyone who would like to help, please read on..... David We are going to try to influence the result of the voting for BBC Sports Personality of the year. It has been decided that David Beckham would provide most embarrassment to the organisers if winning, so could you all e-mail your vote to the following address: sports.review@bbc.co.uk More importantly, can you forward this mail to all your mates & acquaintances asap in the hope that they will participate. Your co-operation in this matter is greatly appreciated From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Dec 4 18:17:53 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id SAA04442 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 18:04:23 GMT Received: from remus.clara.net (remus.clara.net [195.8.69.79]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA04427 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 18:04:21 GMT Received: from atlantis.mail (du-1014.claranet.co.uk [195.8.77.16]) by remus.clara.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA16085 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 18:04:19 GMT (envelope-from cadets@clara.net) To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: BA Cadets Subject: Scamming the BBC Reply-To: jazzman@cadets.clara.net Organization: British Airways Message-Id: <981204180310.n0008051.cadets@mail.clara.net> X-Mailer: atlantis mail 32 Date: Fri, 4 Dec 98 18:03:10 BST Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Dear All, All this business of trying to scam the BBC into having David Beckham has a very familiar ring to me. While I was at Uni a few years ago, a similar scheme was put in place to try to vote Justin Fashanu (the first openly gay and now sadly deceased footballer) in as BBC sports personality of the year. Rumour later circulated that the BBC had realised that something was afoot when the Email votes for Justin were more than the combined total of votes for anyone else, and stopped accepting entries for him. Despite some of the stuff that they broadcast, the BBC are not complete idiots and will no doubt realise that the same thing is happening again and take similar action. My advice has to be, save yours and your friends bandwidth and lets not bother with playing silly Email games that have annoyed many of us Britdisc subscribers before. Just my two pence worth. Ta. Ian, a.k.a. Jazzman NightFever From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Dec 7 07:59:22 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id HAA07750 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 07:47:04 GMT Received: from gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (ralf@gem [137.205.227.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA07745 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 07:47:03 GMT Received: (from ralf@localhost) by gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id HAA11044 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 07:47:02 GMT Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 07:47:02 GMT From: Ranulf Doswell Message-Id: <199812070747.HAA11044@gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: BFDF Events Reminder Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk British Flying Disc Federation Disc Events Diary ------------------------------------------------ The events list can also be found at http://www.dcs.warwick.ac.uk/~ralf/bfdf/ ---------- Saturday 19th December 1998 Southampton Indoors (2 days) [Indoor Ultimate] Contact Suzanne Penfold Email scp195@soton.ac.uk Saturday 9th January 1999 Red Co-ed Indoors (2 days) @ Aylestone Leisure Centre, Leicester. [Indoor Ultimate] note change of venue Contact Leicester Ultimate Club (Red) Address PO Box 1075 Leicester LE2 1YQ Email red@ultimateweb.co.uk Phone 0116 2559638 (Ben Ravilious) Saturday 16th January 1999 Newport Indoors (2 days) @ Newport [Indoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Address 81 Bittern Avenue Abbeydale Gloucester GL4 4WG Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Phone 01242 543299 (work) 01452 380529 (home) Student Indoor Northern Qualifiers (2 days) @ Edinburgh [Students' Indoor Ultimate] Contact James Spicer Email j.a.spicer@sms.ed.ac.uk Saturday 30th January 1999 Mythago Tourny (2 days) @ Whitchurch Sports Centre, Bristol [Indoor Ultimate] Please send any applications with contact address and cheque made payable to "U.B.U.F.C." Contact Chris Hebert Email ch5400@bristol.ac.uk Phone 0117 973 4983 (until 11/12/98) Contact James Rodgers Address 26 Cromwell Road St. Andrews Bristol BS6 5HB Email jr7706@bris.ac.uk Saturday 13th February 1999 Warwick Indoors (2 days) [Indoor Ultimate] Contact Mike Clements (Percy) Email ecumu@csv.warwick.ac.uk URL http://www.csv.warwick.ac.uk/~suaaz/ Women's Indoor Nationals (2 days) @ The University of Leeds [Women's Indoor Ultimate] Contact Rachel Jacobs Email lec6rej@leeds.ac.uk Phone 0113 224 2891 Saturday 27th February 1999 National Student Indoors (2 days) @ Leeds [Students' Indoor Ultimate] TD Jon Chewins Email bgy6jgc@South-02.novell.leeds.ac.uk Saturday 6th March 1999 Indoor Regionals (2 days) [Indoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Address 81 Bittern Avenue Abbeydale Gloucester GL4 4WG Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Phone 01242 543299 (work) 01452 380529 (home) Saturday 13th March 1999 Indoor Regionals (2 days) [Indoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Address 81 Bittern Avenue Abbeydale Gloucester GL4 4WG Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Phone 01242 543299 (work) 01452 380529 (home) Saturday 20th March 1999 Indoor Nationals (2 days) [Indoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Address 81 Bittern Avenue Abbeydale Gloucester GL4 4WG Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Phone 01242 543299 (work) 01452 380529 (home) Saturday 27th March 1999 Red Outdoors (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Leicester Ultimate Club (Red) Address PO Box 1075 Leicester LE2 1YQ Email red@ultimateweb.co.uk Phone 0116 2559638 (Ben Ravilious) Saturday 3rd April 1999 Dublin Outdoors (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 10th April 1999 Tour I (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Address 81 Bittern Avenue Abbeydale Gloucester GL4 4WG Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Phone 01242 543299 (work) 01452 380529 (home) Saturday 1st May 1999 Brugge (2 days) TBC [Outdoor Ultimate Abroad] Saturday 8th May 1999 Tour II (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Address 81 Bittern Avenue Abbeydale Gloucester GL4 4WG Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Phone 01242 543299 (work) 01452 380529 (home) Thursday 13th May 1999 Rotterdam (4 days) TBC [Outdoor Ultimate Abroad] Saturday 5th June 1999 Tour III (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Address 81 Bittern Avenue Abbeydale Gloucester GL4 4WG Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Phone 01242 543299 (work) 01452 380529 (home) Saturday 12th June 1999 Fiesta (2 days) TBC [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Laura Lafave Email lafave@cs.bris.ac.uk Phone (w) +44-117-954 5128 Saturday 26th June 1999 Tour IV (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Address 81 Bittern Avenue Abbeydale Gloucester GL4 4WG Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Phone 01242 543299 (work) 01452 380529 (home) Saturday 17th July 1999 Tour V (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Address 81 Bittern Avenue Abbeydale Gloucester GL4 4WG Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Phone 01242 543299 (work) 01452 380529 (home) Saturday 24th July 1999 Ross on Wye (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 7th August 1999 Worlds (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate Abroad] Saturday 14th August 1999 Worlds (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate Abroad] Thursday 9th September 1999 The British Open Championships 1999 (4 days) @ Saffrons, Eastbourne [Outdoor Ultimate] There will be eight pitches in 99! (Max 32 teams) More details will be issued as and when available. Contact Nolan Taylor Address BritOpen 99 Admin Office 3 Wish Road Eastbourne East Sussex BN21 4NX Email open99@daletaylor.co.uk Fax 01323 430223 Phone 01323 430700 URL http://www.tradeworld.co.uk/open99/ Saturday 25th September 1999 Nationals (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Address 81 Bittern Avenue Abbeydale Gloucester GL4 4WG Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Phone 01242 543299 (work) 01452 380529 (home) ---------------------------------------------------------- British Flying Disc Federation Disc Events Diary http://www.dcs.warwick.ac.uk/~ralf/bfdf/ Ranulf Doswell, ralf@dcs.warwick.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Dec 7 12:26:54 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA08446 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 12:14:11 GMT Received: from beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk (beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.129.138]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA08437 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 12:14:09 GMT Received: from cedar.sucs.soton.ac.uk (cedar.sucs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.128.92]) by beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.8/relay-02) with ESMTP id MAA00227 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 12:14:08 GMT Received: from b62a-12.sucs.soton.ac.uk (b62a-12.sucs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.237.68]) by cedar.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.8/relay-02) with SMTP id LAA04123 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 11:57:31 GMT From: Suze Reply-To: scp195@soton.ac.uk To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Soton Indoors is full Message-ID: Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 12:01:55 +0000 (GMT) X-Mailer: Simeon for Windows Version 4.1.4 Build (40) X-Authentication: none MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Dear everyone, Soton indoors is now full so i don't want any more cheques please (unless they are made out to me in person). All the teams entered should have been notified by email along with further details (apart from BAF and WIB). Ciao Suze ---------------------- Suze scp195@soton.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Dec 7 12:27:51 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA07849 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 12:12:16 GMT Received: from beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk (beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.129.138]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA07825 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 12:12:12 GMT Received: from cedar.sucs.soton.ac.uk (cedar.sucs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.128.92]) by beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.8/relay-02) with ESMTP id MAA29754 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 12:12:11 GMT Received: from b62a-12.sucs.soton.ac.uk (b62a-12.sucs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.237.68]) by cedar.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.8/relay-02) with SMTP id LAA03866 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 11:55:02 GMT From: Suze Reply-To: scp195@soton.ac.uk To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: BAF email address Message-ID: Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 11:59:26 +0000 (GMT) X-Mailer: Simeon for Windows Version 4.1.4 Build (40) X-Authentication: none MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Does anybody have an email address for anyone from BAF please? Ta ---------------------- Suze scp195@soton.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Dec 8 22:37:54 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id WAA21485 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 22:20:16 GMT Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (daffodil [137.205.192.30]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA21478 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 22:20:15 GMT Received: from tungsten.btinternet.com (tungsten.btinternet.com [194.73.73.81]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id WAA14606 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 22:20:14 GMT Received: from mail.btinternet.com [195.99.47.181] by tungsten.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 1.70 #1) id 0znVQs-0007BK-00; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 22:16:39 +0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail and News for Macintosh - 1.1 (34) Subject: World Clubs Allocations From: Laura Pearce To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 22:16:39 +0000 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk OK, here it is. The places that the BUF has been allocated at Clubs next year and the teams that are going. Open - 2 teams - Catch and UTI Womens - 2 teams - Bliss and Twin Peaks Co-ed - 2 teams - To be announced (although this is now a closed contest) in due course. Masters - 2 teams - To be confirmed. The chances of getting any more Open slots are very slim, as it stands at present, as seven of teams would have to drop out before we would get offered another slot (which we would of course take). It is a similar situation in the womens (I think its 5 would have to drop out). Masters interested in playing should contact Colin Smith (k967338@kingston.ac.uk Tel: (0181) 942 8050) or one of the BUF committee members. The official website for Clubs 99 can be found at: http://www.ultilinks.com/wucc99/ If anyone has any queries, don't hesitate to get in touch. Laura Pearce BUF National Director From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Dec 9 10:00:25 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id JAA13363 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 09:45:13 GMT Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (daffodil [137.205.192.30]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA13353 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 09:45:11 GMT Received: from tgis.co.uk (galahad.tgis.co.uk [195.188.4.6]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA02615 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 09:45:10 GMT Received: from syscap.com (p014.5399-1.saturn.ispc.net [212.46.128.34]) by tgis.co.uk (8.8.7/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA25047 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 09:44:56 GMT Posted-Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 09:44:56 GMT Received: from [195.188.6.81] by syscap.com Wed, 09 Dec 98 09:40:06 +0000 X-Sender: pharvey@195.188.6.1 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 09:41:10 +0000 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: pharvey@syscap.com (Peter Harvey) Subject: Re: World Clubs Allocations Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk At 10:16 pm 8/12/98, Laura Pearce wrote: >OK, here it is. The places that the BUF has been allocated at Clubs next >year and the teams that are going. > >Open - 2 teams - Catch and UTI > >seven [open] teams would have to drop out before we would get offered another slot In view of this, I will not be forming a team to take the gunners slot (on the waiting list!) thanks to all who showed an interest. may your socks rot if you didn't. Harv From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Dec 9 11:34:16 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id LAA06291 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 11:33:17 GMT Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (daffodil [137.205.192.30]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA06275 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 11:33:14 GMT Received: from beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk (beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.129.138]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA18649 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 11:33:13 GMT Received: from cedar.sucs.soton.ac.uk (cedar.sucs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.128.92]) by beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.8/relay-02) with ESMTP id LAA15227; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 11:33:11 GMT Received: from b62b-27.sucs.soton.ac.uk (b62b-27.sucs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.237.196]) by cedar.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.8/relay-02) with SMTP id LAA24499; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 11:08:23 GMT From: Suze Reply-To: scp195@soton.ac.uk To: Madbob111@aol.com, britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Re: Soton Indoors is full In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 11:12:52 +0000 (GMT) X-Mailer: Simeon for Windows Version 4.1.4 Build (40) X-Authentication: none MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk In case you wondered the teams entered for soton indoors are skunks 1 skunks 2 Skunks 3 UTI BAF WIB Druids Picnic Wild Stallions Look at me Mr. Men ross and Jeffs team Simpsons Red whiplash Village If any of those teams haven't had further details from me via email please let me know. If anyone is looking for a team to play with, these are the teams to hassle (and if you want to know a contact for a certian team, give me a shout) Suze ---------------------- Suze scp195@soton.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Dec 9 11:49:04 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id LAA09473 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 11:47:52 GMT Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (daffodil [137.205.192.30]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA09457 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 11:47:50 GMT Received: from tgis.co.uk (galahad.tgis.co.uk [195.188.4.6]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA21725 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 11:47:48 GMT Received: from syscap.com (p001.5399-1.saturn.ispc.net [212.46.128.21]) by tgis.co.uk (8.8.7/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA16519 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 11:47:40 GMT Posted-Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 11:47:40 GMT Received: from [195.188.6.81] by syscap.com Wed, 09 Dec 98 11:48:33 +0000 X-Sender: pharvey@195.188.6.1 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 11:49:37 +0000 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: pharvey@syscap.com (Peter Harvey) Subject: Re: World Clubs Allocations Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk At 10:16 pm 8/12/98, Laura Pearce wrote: >OK, here it is. The places that the BUF has been allocated at Clubs next >year and the teams that are going. > >Open - 2 teams - Catch and UTI > >seven [open] teams would have to drop out before we would get offered another slot In view of this, I will not be forming a team to take the gunners slot (on the waiting list!) thanks to all who showed an interest. may your socks rot if you didn't. Harv From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Dec 9 23:27:43 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id XAA07810 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 23:26:03 GMT Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (daffodil [137.205.192.30]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA07804 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 23:26:01 GMT Received: from mail-gw1.webleicester.net (mailgate.webleicester.co.uk [195.146.160.12]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA21408 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 23:26:01 GMT Received: from pii266 (pool-pri2-049.webleicester.co.uk [195.146.164.49]) by mail-gw1.webleicester.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id XAA07166 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 23:23:49 GMT Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 23:31:48 -0000 Message-ID: <01BE23CC.178D7680.bravil@webleicester.co.uk> From: Ben Ravilious Reply-To: "bravil@webleicester.co.uk" To: "'BRITDISC'" Subject: Lost Ultimate Frisbee Teams Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 23:29:20 -0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Dear all, I hope you can help me with this.... I've nearly finished compiling my database of UK teams but I have a whole load of loose ends. Some of these appear to be long dead teams. Some are Junior teams which Kev Lowe is still in contact with. There are also a sprinkling of well established teams in there that I don't have complete details for. Cast your eye down this list. If you spot a team which you have a contact for or you know to be defunct, please let me know ASAP. I will give this a few days and then try writing to some of the remaining ones. (Kev Lowe - you don't need to respond to any of this - ta!) Thanks Ben Ravilious BUF Secretary. Missing teams (in no particular order):- Ro Sham Bo Edinburgh Magnificent 7 Stirling Tooting(?) Bolton? Tricky Gangsters St Georges Hospital? Hertfordshire team ??? Devils/Spinners Derek France Cranleigh Surrey Gooie Kaplooie Paul Marfleet Colchester Hot Stamp Rejects Martin Lucy Wolverhampton Bears Sarah Kirwan University of Warwick Sharks Dave Goodspeed Oxford Oxford Robotics Stuart Fairley Oxford Playthings Glyn Lewis London Distant Cousins Bud Tilton Bristol Angels Simon Barry London Small Furry Animals Kevin Robinson Farnborough Stan Tony Wakeford 43 Arthur Street Kenilworth Funky Monks Derek Smart Witney Hint of Lime Emily Pountney Gosport Blundells School William Randell Tiverton Revolution Ben Brook Cowley Bones Andrew Sibson Eastbourne Dane Raiders Vaughan Williams Glastonbury N.F.C. Sarah Fergus Bristol Toxic Ninja Attack University of Kent, Canterbury West Nottinghamshire College Tim Wall Red Shift Andy Kayley Bassett Southampton Tribal Desire Kevin Lowe Wrexham Bexhill 6th Form College Bexhill 6th Form College Kent Bredon Hill School Evesham Wombles Tim Shearer Liss Hants Steve Brook Leamington Spa Sir James Community School Nick Eacott Camelford Cornwall Young Somerset Ed Florey Western Zoyland Bridgwater New Media Age Nick Jones London Fantastic Max Peter Thompson Cromford Derbyshire Zebedees John Siddals Norwich Hove Park School Claudia Marsh Hove East Sussex Florence Park Flowers Thomas Harding Oxford Floating Bloke Jamie Helmer Merseyside (or Sheffield???) Sexy Mother Huckers Simon Topping Cheswardine Market Drayton Spong (Trinity School) Nivesh Shah Croydon Surrey Highfields School ??????? From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Dec 11 09:45:35 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id JAA17819 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 09:43:32 GMT Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (daffodil [137.205.192.30]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA17813 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 09:43:30 GMT Received: from beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk (beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.129.138]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA01441 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 09:43:30 GMT Received: from cedar.sucs.soton.ac.uk (cedar.sucs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.128.92]) by beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.8/relay-02) with ESMTP id JAA16750 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 09:43:29 GMT Received: from b62b-19.sucs.soton.ac.uk (b62b-19.sucs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.237.104]) by cedar.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.8/relay-02) with SMTP id JAA06333 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 09:25:31 GMT From: Suze Reply-To: scp195@soton.ac.uk To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Soton pickups Message-ID: Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 09:30:07 +0000 (GMT) X-Mailer: Simeon for Windows Version 4.1.4 Build (40) X-Authentication: none MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk For all those people who didn't get in to Soton indoors and still want to come, I have several teams who have been asking about pickups - please contact them if you want to play Simpsons - Andy.Kaylay@soton.sc.philips.com Scooby Doo - j.f.jackson@uces.bangor.ac.uk and skunks maybe - give me a shout There may be others I don't know about. suze ---------------------- Suze scp195@soton.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Dec 11 11:37:59 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id LAA07255 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 11:36:33 GMT Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (daffodil [137.205.192.30]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA07237 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 11:36:29 GMT Received: from gw-nl1.philips.com (gw-nl1.philips.com [192.68.44.33]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA17251 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 11:36:27 GMT Received: from smtprelay-nl1.philips.com (localhost.philips.com [127.0.0.1]) by gw-nl1.philips.com with ESMTP id MAA05580; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 12:36:20 +0100 (MET) (envelope-from andy.kayley@soton.sc.philips.com) Received: from smtprelay-eur1.philips.com(130.139.36.3) by gw-nl1.philips.com via mwrap (4.0a) id xma005576; Fri, 11 Dec 98 12:36:20 +0100 Received: from mailgate.soton.sc.philips.com (scids.prl.research.philips.com [130.141.89.1]) by smtprelay-nl1.philips.com (8.8.5/8.6.10-1.2.2m-970826) with ESMTP id MAA04038; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 12:36:19 +0100 (MET) Received: from anaconda.soton.sc.philips.com ([130.141.7.207]) by mailgate.soton.sc.philips.com (8.6.10/8.6.10-1.001a-24Jul96) with ESMTP id LAA13862; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 11:40:54 GMT Received: from soton.sc.philips.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by anaconda.soton.sc.philips.com (8.6.10/8.6.10-1.001a-24Jul96) with ESMTP id LAA23041; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 11:33:50 GMT Message-ID: <3671031E.8CE41F37@soton.sc.philips.com> Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 11:33:50 +0000 From: Andy Kayley Organization: Philips Semiconductors Ltd. (Southampton) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; HP-UX B.10.20 9000/879) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: scp195@soton.ac.uk CC: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Re: Soton pickups References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Suze wrote: > > For all those people who didn't get in to Soton indoors and > still want to come, > I have several teams who have been asking about pickups - > please contact them if you want to play > Simpsons - Andy.Kaylay@soton.sc.philips.com > Scooby Doo - j.f.jackson@uces.bangor.ac.uk > and skunks maybe - give me a shout > There may be others I don't know about. > > suze > > ---------------------- > Suze > scp195@soton.ac.uk Really pick up requests for the Simpsons should go to badbird@cwcom.net also, as I am about to go on holiday for christmas an won't be in the office. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Andy Kayley, Design Technology Centre, Tel: +44 (0)1703 316410 Philips Semiconductors, Fax: +44 (0)1703 316303 Southampton, SO15 0DJ, UK. email: andy.kayley@soton.sc.philips.com seri : kayley@ukpsshp1 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Dec 11 12:22:13 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA16856 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 12:21:03 GMT Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (daffodil [137.205.192.30]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA16842 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 12:21:00 GMT Received: from ntintel1.webleicester.co.uk (www.lansystems.co.uk [195.146.160.4]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA22985 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 12:20:57 GMT Received: by www.lansystems.co.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 12:20:56 -0000 Message-ID: From: Ian Scotland To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: RE: Red Co-ed Reminder Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 12:20:49 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Re: the Red Co-ed (Indoors) Since this it is now the 11th, and officially closing date for the Co-ed, I am going round those teams that have expressed that they want a place, but have not yet sent me the dosh! Are you definitely still coming...... if so, where's your cheque! We now have teams in reserve, so it is only fair to them that you confirm. Teams Entered (not yet paid) - Jesters (outragious) - Chaos - UTT - Village People (I presume that' the team name Paul) - MMJ Teams Entered (and Paid) - Blaby DC - Red - Strange Blue - Mowharks - Cupid Stunts - Bears - First Touch - Whiplash - Zebedees Ta Scott From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Dec 11 12:38:31 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA20488 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 12:37:25 GMT Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (daffodil [137.205.192.30]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA20480 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 12:37:23 GMT Received: from exchpk02.chelt.ac.uk (exchpk02.chelt.ac.uk [194.66.194.6]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA26479 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 12:37:23 GMT Received: by exchpk02.chelt.ac.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 12:37:17 -0000 Message-ID: <8102C4585310D211858D0060B01A41330A3A21@exchpk02.chelt.ac.uk> From: "HUGHES, Chris" To: "'Britdisc'" Subject: Newport Invitation Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 12:37:16 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk An invitation one and all to the Amazing Newport tournament. If you've been before you know what its like, If you haven't then come and find out. The cost will be 85 of your best British pounds, to attend on the 16 & 17 January 1999, at the Newport Centre. Checks are to be made payable to 'Wayne Retter' And I need to receive them before I go home for Christmas on the 22nd of December. If you place them in the post then email to let me know that it is inbound. Please also include whether you need maps / directions, and an address to send info to. And sent to; Chris Hughes 81 Bittern Avenue Abbeydale, Gloucester GL4 4WG Tel: 01242 543299 (w) 01452 380529 (h) If you cannot attend please mail me to let me know. Be aware that at this stage the Karting centre may not be available so ensure you have an option on accommodation. (PS - I only have a limited number of slots left - SO HURRY UP!) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sat Dec 12 19:04:28 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id TAA11278 for britdisc-outgoing; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 19:03:22 GMT Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (daffodil [137.205.192.30]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA11267 for ; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 19:03:20 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-22.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.7]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA14359 for ; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 19:03:20 GMT Received: from [158.152.248.177] (helo=phidelta.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.054 #1) id 0zouJx-000773-00 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 19:03:18 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 18:27:50 +0000 To: BritDisc From: Wayne Retter Subject: Change of URL MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (32) Trial Version 3.05 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk The Ultim8 website(s) for 97 and 98 have now moved to... http://www.phidelta.demon.co.uk/ultim8/tour1997 and tour1998 repectively. Wayne Retter ---------------------------------------------------------------- Wayne Retter at home: 0181-663-4856 wayne@phidelta.demon.co.uk mobile: 07970-903420 at work: 01737-273611 wayne_retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sat Dec 12 19:04:36 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id TAA11279 for britdisc-outgoing; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 19:03:22 GMT Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (daffodil [137.205.192.30]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA11270 for ; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 19:03:20 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-22.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.7]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA14360 for ; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 19:03:20 GMT Received: from [158.152.248.177] (helo=phidelta.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.054 #1) id 0zouJx-000774-00 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 19:03:18 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 18:37:38 +0000 To: BritDisc From: Wayne Retter Subject: Corporate Sports Fields MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (32) Trial Version 3.05 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Do you work for a large company/firm (e.g. the major banks, insurance companies, pharmaceutical companies, international organisations, etc, etc...)? Do they have sports facilities? Could we hold an Ultimate tournament there? (As an example, the vanue that we has been previously used in SWINDON is the Allied Dunbar Sports and Social Club) Same goes for local schools, colleges, Unis... (past Southampton and Exeter tournaments were held on the University facilities) I'd be interested in any useful reponses and contact details that anyone can provide... Wayne Retter PS: I went to both the Lloyds Bank and NatWest Bank sports facilities in Beckenham this weekend - and both claim to be unavailable as they're in the process of being purchased in 1999 - but details were unknown. Anyone got any inside info? ---------------------------------------------------------------- Wayne Retter at home: 0181-663-4856 wayne@phidelta.demon.co.uk mobile: 07970-903420 at work: 01737-273611 wayne_retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Dec 14 07:52:26 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id HAA10739 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 07:50:27 GMT Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (snowdrop [137.205.192.31]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA10734 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 07:50:25 GMT Received: from gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (gem [137.205.227.1]) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA11802 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 07:50:24 GMT Received: (from ralf@localhost) by gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id HAA07654 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 07:47:01 GMT Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 07:47:01 GMT From: Ranulf Doswell Message-Id: <199812140747.HAA07654@gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: BFDF Events Reminder Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk British Flying Disc Federation Disc Events Diary ------------------------------------------------ The events list can also be found at http://www.dcs.warwick.ac.uk/~ralf/bfdf/ ---------- Saturday 19th December 1998 Southampton Indoors (2 days) [Indoor Ultimate] Contact Suzanne Penfold Email scp195@soton.ac.uk Saturday 9th January 1999 Red Co-ed Indoors (2 days) @ Aylestone Leisure Centre, Leicester. [Indoor Ultimate] note change of venue Contact Leicester Ultimate Club (Red) Address PO Box 1075 Leicester LE2 1YQ Email red@ultimateweb.co.uk Phone 0116 2559638 (Ben Ravilious) Saturday 16th January 1999 Newport Indoors (2 days) @ Newport [Indoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Address 81 Bittern Avenue Abbeydale Gloucester GL4 4WG Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Phone 01242 543299 (work) 01452 380529 (home) Student Indoor Northern Qualifiers (2 days) @ Edinburgh [Students' Indoor Ultimate] Contact James Spicer Email j.a.spicer@sms.ed.ac.uk Saturday 30th January 1999 Mythago Tourny (2 days) @ Whitchurch Sports Centre, Bristol [Indoor Ultimate] Please send any applications with contact address and cheque made payable to "U.B.U.F.C." Contact Chris Hebert Email ch5400@bristol.ac.uk Phone 0117 973 4983 (until 11/12/98) Contact James Rodgers Address 26 Cromwell Road St. Andrews Bristol BS6 5HB Email jr7706@bris.ac.uk Saturday 13th February 1999 Warwick Indoors (2 days) [Indoor Ultimate] Contact Mike Clements (Percy) Email ecumu@csv.warwick.ac.uk URL http://www.csv.warwick.ac.uk/~suaaz/ Women's Indoor Nationals (2 days) @ The University of Leeds [Women's Indoor Ultimate] Contact Rachel Jacobs Email lec6rej@leeds.ac.uk Phone 0113 224 2891 Saturday 27th February 1999 National Student Indoors (2 days) @ Leeds [Students' Indoor Ultimate] TD Jon Chewins Email bgy6jgc@South-02.novell.leeds.ac.uk Saturday 6th March 1999 Indoor Regionals (2 days) [Indoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Address 81 Bittern Avenue Abbeydale Gloucester GL4 4WG Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Phone 01242 543299 (work) 01452 380529 (home) Saturday 13th March 1999 Indoor Regionals (2 days) [Indoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Address 81 Bittern Avenue Abbeydale Gloucester GL4 4WG Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Phone 01242 543299 (work) 01452 380529 (home) Saturday 20th March 1999 Indoor Nationals (2 days) [Indoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Address 81 Bittern Avenue Abbeydale Gloucester GL4 4WG Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Phone 01242 543299 (work) 01452 380529 (home) Saturday 27th March 1999 Red Outdoors (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Leicester Ultimate Club (Red) Address PO Box 1075 Leicester LE2 1YQ Email red@ultimateweb.co.uk Phone 0116 2559638 (Ben Ravilious) Saturday 10th April 1999 Tour I (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Address 81 Bittern Avenue Abbeydale Gloucester GL4 4WG Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Phone 01242 543299 (work) 01452 380529 (home) Saturday 17th April 1999 Dublin Outdoors (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Peter Bennison Email pbennison@sepro.ie Saturday 1st May 1999 Brugge (2 days) TBC [Outdoor Ultimate Abroad] Saturday 8th May 1999 Tour II (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Address 81 Bittern Avenue Abbeydale Gloucester GL4 4WG Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Phone 01242 543299 (work) 01452 380529 (home) Thursday 13th May 1999 Rotterdam (4 days) TBC [Outdoor Ultimate Abroad] Saturday 5th June 1999 Tour III (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Address 81 Bittern Avenue Abbeydale Gloucester GL4 4WG Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Phone 01242 543299 (work) 01452 380529 (home) Saturday 12th June 1999 Fiesta (2 days) TBC [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Laura Lafave Email lafave@cs.bris.ac.uk Phone (w) +44-117-954 5128 Saturday 26th June 1999 Tour IV (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Address 81 Bittern Avenue Abbeydale Gloucester GL4 4WG Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Phone 01242 543299 (work) 01452 380529 (home) Saturday 3rd July 1999 Lurkers Tournie (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Clifford Bottomley Email Clifford_Bottomley@Cargill.com Phone 07775 197169 Saturday 17th July 1999 Tour V (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Address 81 Bittern Avenue Abbeydale Gloucester GL4 4WG Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Phone 01242 543299 (work) 01452 380529 (home) Saturday 24th July 1999 Ross on Wye (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 7th August 1999 Worlds (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate Abroad] Saturday 14th August 1999 Worlds (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate Abroad] Thursday 9th September 1999 The British Open Championships 1999 (4 days) @ Saffrons, Eastbourne [Outdoor Ultimate] There will be eight pitches in 99! (Max 32 teams) More details will be issued as and when available. Contact Nolan Taylor Address BritOpen 99 Admin Office 3 Wish Road Eastbourne East Sussex BN21 4NX Email open99@daletaylor.co.uk Fax 01323 430223 Phone 01323 430700 URL http://www.tradeworld.co.uk/open99/ Saturday 25th September 1999 Nationals (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Address 81 Bittern Avenue Abbeydale Gloucester GL4 4WG Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Phone 01242 543299 (work) 01452 380529 (home) ---------------------------------------------------------- British Flying Disc Federation Disc Events Diary http://www.dcs.warwick.ac.uk/~ralf/bfdf/ Ranulf Doswell, ralf@dcs.warwick.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Dec 14 10:09:21 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA19624 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 10:03:05 GMT Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (snowdrop [137.205.192.31]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA19618 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 10:03:03 GMT Received: from hotmail.com (wya-lfd53.hotmail.com [207.82.252.117]) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA21371 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 10:03:02 GMT Received: (qmail 24059 invoked by uid 0); 14 Dec 1998 10:02:47 -0000 Message-ID: <19981214100247.24057.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 195.11.50.206 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 02:02:46 PST X-Originating-IP: [195.11.50.206] From: "Vanessa White" To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Culture Club, The Human League and ABC MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 02:02:46 PST Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Four tickets available for Thursday 17th December Wembley Arena from 7.30pm for Culture Club, The Human League and ABC, in the standing area price £22.50 if anyone is interested please let me know. Vanessa 0171 616 4819 (wk) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Dec 15 12:39:22 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA03935 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 12:35:11 GMT Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (snowdrop [137.205.192.31]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA03918 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 12:35:08 GMT Received: from dirc.bris.ac.uk (dirc.bris.ac.uk [137.222.10.51]) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA20531 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 12:35:07 GMT Received: from sis.bris.ac.uk by dirc.bris.ac.uk with SMTP-PRIV (PP) with ESMTP; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 12:35:03 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sis.bris.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA05199 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 12:33:19 GMT Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 12:33:18 +0000 (GMT) From: J Rodgers To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: IMPORTANT: Mythago Tournament. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk ******* ATTENTION ********** The Mythago tournament is now full. If you have sent entries and cheques in the last few days I will return them to you in due course. Thanks. James. Secretary UBUFC From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Dec 15 16:33:36 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id QAA01816 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 16:31:41 GMT Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (daffodil [137.205.192.30]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA01809 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 16:31:40 GMT Received: from dryctnath.mmu.ac.uk (dryctnath.mmu.ac.uk [149.170.190.134]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA05945 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 16:31:39 GMT Received: from enterprise.mmu.ac.uk ([149.170.165.252]) by dryctnath.mmu.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.04 #1) id 0zpxOS-0001Xt-00 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 16:32:16 +0000 Received: from MMU-SCI-ENTERPRISE/SpoolDir by enterprise.mmu.ac.uk (Mercury 1.43); 15 Dec 98 16:31:32 GMT Received: from SpoolDir by MMU-SCI-ENTERPRISE (Mercury 1.43); 15 Dec 98 16:31:05 GMT From: "Lawrence PAULSON" Organization: Manchester Metropolitan University To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 16:31:00 GMT Subject: Lift to Bristol? Message-ID: <5D92708182E@enterprise.mmu.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Dear All, I'm looking for a lift to the Mythago tourney in January from Manchester. If anybody is passing nearby and has a spare seat in a car, I'd love to hear from you. Love & Luck, Lawrence Night Fever (ex Fingers) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Dec 16 08:50:29 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id IAA29481 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 08:49:06 GMT Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (daffodil [137.205.192.30]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA29476 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 08:49:04 GMT Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA23259 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 08:49:04 GMT Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA26890 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 08:49:02 GMT Received: from uks447.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 16 Dec 1998 08:49:02 UT Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id IAA18663; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 08:49:00 GMT Message-Id: <199812160849.IAA18663@uks447> Date: 16 Dec 98 08:45:24 +0000 From: "RCOLE.UK.ORACLE.COM" To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Lift available to S'oton MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk If anyone would like a lift from the Bracknell/Reading area to S'oton Indoors and back, give me a call on 01442 224363(work) or 0118 924 4873(home), coz I have 3 spaces available, leaving early Saturday morning. So there you go... Rob Cole ***************************************************************************** Robert Cole Tel: 0118 924 4873 Associate Consultant Mobile: 0961 170 759 Enterprise Methods and Tools Internal Extn: 44873 Oracle UK Fax: 0118 924 5605 Building 530 Email: rcole@uk.oracle.com Thames Valley Park Reading, RG6 1RA ***************************************************************************** From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Dec 16 09:04:24 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id JAA00623 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 09:03:32 GMT Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (daffodil [137.205.192.30]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA00615 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 09:03:31 GMT From: helen.myers@deloitte.co.uk Received: from mail.deloitte.co.uk (mail.deloitte.co.uk [194.88.95.3]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA24154 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 09:03:30 GMT Message-Id: Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 9:00:00 +0000 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Women's Practices MIME-version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: TFS Gateway /310000000/310102502/310102532/300490599/ Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id JAA00616 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Dear All, Next women's practice has been scheduled for Sunday 24th January Venue : Witney, Oxfordshire Time : 11.00 am Hope you can all make it . . . an excellent opportunity to run off all that turkey (or nut roast if you are that way inclined!!) See you soon Aitch From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Dec 17 10:06:05 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA23458 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 10:04:30 GMT Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (snowdrop [137.205.192.31]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA23448 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 10:04:28 GMT Received: from hotmail.com (wya-lfd95.hotmail.com [207.82.252.159]) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA19593 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 10:04:27 GMT Received: (qmail 26446 invoked by uid 0); 17 Dec 1998 10:04:23 -0000 Message-ID: <19981217100423.26445.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 195.11.50.201 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 02:04:20 PST X-Originating-IP: [195.11.50.201] From: "Vanessa White" To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Culture Club, The Human League and ABC Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 02:04:20 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Two tickets available for Thursday 17th December Wembley Arena from 7.30pm for Culture Club, The Human League and ABC, in the standing area price 22.50 if anyone is interested please let me know. The price can now be reduced any serious offers welcomed. 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Students study 4 sports during their study for an HND and Ultimate will be featured in students' second year. Students will study: 1: Individual Skills (throwing, catching, cutting etc. .) 2: Team skills (Principles of Offence and defence) 3: Laws of the game 60% of assessment is coursework and 40% a theory paper Their study of Ultimate commences in September 1999 I would welcome information on the work I hear has been carried out by Simon Moore? on an Ultimate coaching award because I would like to be able to offer such an award as a part of the module. Is this the first time Ultimate has featured on a University sports course in the UK? Paul Unwin Superfly, Grantham College From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Dec 21 07:48:22 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id HAA06648 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 07:47:05 GMT Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (daffodil [137.205.192.30]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA06643 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 07:47:03 GMT Received: from gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (gem [137.205.227.1]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA03603 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 07:47:03 GMT Received: (from ralf@localhost) by gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id HAA09073 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 07:47:02 GMT Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 07:47:02 GMT From: Ranulf Doswell Message-Id: <199812210747.HAA09073@gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: BFDF Events Reminder Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk British Flying Disc Federation Disc Events Diary ------------------------------------------------ The events list can also be found at http://www.dcs.warwick.ac.uk/~ralf/bfdf/ ---------- Saturday 9th January 1999 Red Co-ed Indoors (2 days) @ Aylestone Leisure Centre, Leicester. [Indoor Ultimate] note change of venue Contact Leicester Ultimate Club (Red) Address PO Box 1075 Leicester LE2 1YQ Email red@ultimateweb.co.uk Phone 0116 2559638 (Ben Ravilious) Saturday 16th January 1999 Newport Indoors (2 days) @ Newport [Indoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Address 81 Bittern Avenue Abbeydale Gloucester GL4 4WG Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Phone 01242 543299 (work) 01452 380529 (home) Student Indoor Northern Qualifiers (2 days) @ Edinburgh [Students' Indoor Ultimate] Contact James Spicer Email j.a.spicer@sms.ed.ac.uk Saturday 30th January 1999 Mythago Tourny (2 days) @ Whitchurch Sports Centre, Bristol [Indoor Ultimate] Please send any applications with contact address and cheque made payable to "U.B.U.F.C." Contact Chris Hebert Email ch5400@bristol.ac.uk Phone 0117 973 4983 (until 11/12/98) Contact James Rodgers Address 26 Cromwell Road St. Andrews Bristol BS6 5HB Email jr7706@bris.ac.uk Saturday 13th February 1999 Warwick Indoors (2 days) [Indoor Ultimate] Contact Mike Clements (Percy) Email ecumu@csv.warwick.ac.uk URL http://www.csv.warwick.ac.uk/~suaaz/ Women's Indoor Nationals (2 days) @ The University of Leeds [Women's Indoor Ultimate] Contact Rachel Jacobs Email lec6rej@leeds.ac.uk Phone 0113 224 2891 Saturday 27th February 1999 National Student Indoors (2 days) @ Leeds [Students' Indoor Ultimate] TD Jon Chewins Email bgy6jgc@South-02.novell.leeds.ac.uk Saturday 6th March 1999 Indoor Regionals (2 days) [Indoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Address 81 Bittern Avenue Abbeydale Gloucester GL4 4WG Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Phone 01242 543299 (work) 01452 380529 (home) Saturday 13th March 1999 Indoor Regionals (2 days) [Indoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Address 81 Bittern Avenue Abbeydale Gloucester GL4 4WG Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Phone 01242 543299 (work) 01452 380529 (home) Saturday 20th March 1999 Indoor Nationals (2 days) [Indoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Address 81 Bittern Avenue Abbeydale Gloucester GL4 4WG Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Phone 01242 543299 (work) 01452 380529 (home) Saturday 27th March 1999 Red Outdoors (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Leicester Ultimate Club (Red) Address PO Box 1075 Leicester LE2 1YQ Email red@ultimateweb.co.uk Phone 0116 2559638 (Ben Ravilious) Saturday 10th April 1999 Tour I (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Address 81 Bittern Avenue Abbeydale Gloucester GL4 4WG Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Phone 01242 543299 (work) 01452 380529 (home) Saturday 17th April 1999 Dublin Outdoors (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Peter Bennison Email pbennison@sepro.ie Saturday 1st May 1999 Brugge (2 days) TBC [Outdoor Ultimate Abroad] Saturday 8th May 1999 Tour II (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Address 81 Bittern Avenue Abbeydale Gloucester GL4 4WG Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Phone 01242 543299 (work) 01452 380529 (home) Thursday 13th May 1999 Rotterdam (4 days) TBC [Outdoor Ultimate Abroad] Saturday 5th June 1999 Tour III (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Address 81 Bittern Avenue Abbeydale Gloucester GL4 4WG Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Phone 01242 543299 (work) 01452 380529 (home) Saturday 12th June 1999 Fiesta (2 days) TBC [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Laura Lafave Email lafave@cs.bris.ac.uk Phone (w) +44-117-954 5128 Saturday 26th June 1999 Tour IV (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Address 81 Bittern Avenue Abbeydale Gloucester GL4 4WG Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Phone 01242 543299 (work) 01452 380529 (home) Saturday 3rd July 1999 Lurkers Tournie (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Clifford Bottomley Email Clifford_Bottomley@Cargill.com Phone 07775 197169 Saturday 17th July 1999 Tour V (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Address 81 Bittern Avenue Abbeydale Gloucester GL4 4WG Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Phone 01242 543299 (work) 01452 380529 (home) Saturday 24th July 1999 Ross on Wye (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 7th August 1999 Worlds (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate Abroad] Saturday 14th August 1999 Worlds (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate Abroad] Thursday 9th September 1999 The British Open Championships 1999 (4 days) @ Saffrons, Eastbourne [Outdoor Ultimate] There will be eight pitches in 99! (Max 32 teams) More details will be issued as and when available. Contact Nolan Taylor Address BritOpen 99 Admin Office 3 Wish Road Eastbourne East Sussex BN21 4NX Email open99@daletaylor.co.uk Fax 01323 430223 Phone 01323 430700 URL http://www.tradeworld.co.uk/open99/ Saturday 25th September 1999 Nationals (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Address 81 Bittern Avenue Abbeydale Gloucester GL4 4WG Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Phone 01242 543299 (work) 01452 380529 (home) ---------------------------------------------------------- British Flying Disc Federation Disc Events Diary http://www.dcs.warwick.ac.uk/~ralf/bfdf/ Ranulf Doswell, ralf@dcs.warwick.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Dec 21 15:47:21 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id PAA25027 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 15:45:30 GMT Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (snowdrop [137.205.192.31]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA25017 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 15:45:27 GMT Received: from renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk (renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk [129.215.13.3]) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA06801 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 15:45:26 GMT Received: from eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk (eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk [129.215.13.1]) by renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA18118; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 15:45:20 GMT Message-Id: <199812211545.PAA18118@renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk> Received: from SMS-EIGG/SpoolDir by eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk (Mercury 1.43); 21 Dec 98 15:45:20 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by SMS-EIGG (Mercury 1.43); 21 Dec 98 15:45:01 +0000 From: "James Spicer" <9550732@eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk> To: Britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 15:44:53 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: northern students CC: Ro-Sham-bo@egroups.com X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Dear All To All those who need to know Due to many requests all over the northern region the student qualifers are now to be held on Feburary saturday 6th and 7th of Feburary 1999. This change of date was requested by 3 or more unis so I hope the new date is better for more of you. Invites will be sent out early on 13thish of January. If not b4. Again it will be held in Meadowbank Sports centre and the party still to be held in Tevoit union. 1 am finish as per usual. 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Soft porn mag Club International has a tirade against disc golf in it's current issue. It tries to slag off Disc Golf and Ultimate in a humourous way. The article appears opposite Rachel. It says .. " ...Disc golf brings together both golf and frisbee throwing sport of Ultimate (which believe me is short for Ultimate Bollocks") in a double whammy of athletic horror." the final two sentences were the most amusing and surprising for me " Britain's leading Dger is one Derek "The WInd" Robins. If you know this man, handcuff him to a radiator first chance you get." Del (aka Derek "The Wind" Robins) PS I have not yet been handcuffed though my work colleagues have brought some in today! *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*- Derek Robins | | D.J.Robins@admin.warwick.ac.uk Finance Office | | Tel 01203 522710 University of Warwick | | Fax 01203 572645 Coventry CV4 7AL | | Home 01926 864136 *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*- From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Dec 23 12:11:58 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA06607 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 12:10:45 GMT Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (snowdrop [137.205.192.31]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA06602 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 12:10:44 GMT Received: from mail.rmplc.net (dns0.rmplc.net [194.238.48.13]) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA00866; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 12:10:43 GMT Received: from acotgreave.internal.rmplc.net (hercules.rmplc.co.uk [194.238.48.90]) by mail.rmplc.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA14030; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 12:10:42 GMT Message-Id: <199812231210.MAA14030@mail.rmplc.net> From: "Andy Cotgreave" To: "Derek Robins" , Subject: Re: Club International Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 12:09:41 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk So, Del, is this you admitting you peruse soft porn mags? You must have been very excited when you came across this bit of info (pun intended). Andy acotgreave@rmplc.net ---------- : From: Derek Robins : To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk : Subject: Club International : Date: 23 December 1998 11:27 : : They say there's no such thing as bad publicity. Soft porn mag Club : International has a tirade against disc golf in it's current : issue. It tries to slag off Disc Golf and Ultimate in a humourous : way. The article appears opposite Rachel. : : It says .. : " ...Disc golf brings together both golf and frisbee throwing sport : of Ultimate (which believe me is short for Ultimate Bollocks") in a : double whammy of athletic horror." : : the final two sentences were the most amusing and surprising for me : : " Britain's leading Dger is one Derek "The WInd" Robins. If you : know this man, handcuff him to a radiator first chance you get." : : Del : (aka Derek "The Wind" Robins) : : PS I have not yet been handcuffed though my work colleagues have : brought some in today! : : : *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*- : Derek Robins | | D.J.Robins@admin.warwick.ac.uk : Finance Office | | Tel 01203 522710 : University of Warwick | | Fax 01203 572645 : Coventry CV4 7AL | | Home 01926 864136 : *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*- From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Dec 28 07:48:57 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id HAA27117 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 07:47:05 GMT Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (snowdrop [137.205.192.31]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA27112 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 07:47:03 GMT Received: from gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (gem [137.205.227.1]) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA24213 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 07:47:02 GMT Received: (from ralf@localhost) by gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id HAA21060 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 07:47:01 GMT Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 07:47:01 GMT From: Ranulf Doswell Message-Id: <199812280747.HAA21060@gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: BFDF Events Reminder Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk British Flying Disc Federation Disc Events Diary ------------------------------------------------ The events list can also be found at http://www.dcs.warwick.ac.uk/~ralf/bfdf/ ---------- Saturday 9th January 1999 Red Co-ed Indoors (2 days) @ Aylestone Leisure Centre, Leicester. [Indoor Ultimate] note change of venue Contact Leicester Ultimate Club (Red) Address PO Box 1075 Leicester LE2 1YQ Email red@ultimateweb.co.uk Phone 0116 2559638 (Ben Ravilious) Saturday 16th January 1999 Newport Indoors (2 days) @ Newport [Indoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Address 81 Bittern Avenue Abbeydale Gloucester GL4 4WG Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Phone 01242 543299 (work) 01452 380529 (home) Student Indoor Northern Qualifiers (2 days) @ Edinburgh [Students' Indoor Ultimate] Contact James Spicer Email j.a.spicer@sms.ed.ac.uk Saturday 30th January 1999 Mythago Tourny (2 days) @ Whitchurch Sports Centre, Bristol [Indoor Ultimate] Please send any applications with contact address and cheque made payable to "U.B.U.F.C." Contact Chris Hebert Email ch5400@bristol.ac.uk Phone 0117 973 4983 (until 11/12/98) Contact James Rodgers Address 26 Cromwell Road St. Andrews Bristol BS6 5HB Email jr7706@bris.ac.uk Saturday 13th February 1999 Warwick Indoors (2 days) [Indoor Ultimate] Contact Mike Clements (Percy) Email ecumu@csv.warwick.ac.uk URL http://www.csv.warwick.ac.uk/~suaaz/ Women's Indoor Nationals (2 days) @ The University of Leeds [Women's Indoor Ultimate] Contact Rachel Jacobs Email lec6rej@leeds.ac.uk Phone 0113 224 2891 Saturday 27th February 1999 National Student Indoors (2 days) @ Leeds [Students' Indoor Ultimate] TD Jon Chewins Email bgy6jgc@South-02.novell.leeds.ac.uk Saturday 6th March 1999 Indoor Regionals (2 days) [Indoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Address 81 Bittern Avenue Abbeydale Gloucester GL4 4WG Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Phone 01242 543299 (work) 01452 380529 (home) Saturday 13th March 1999 Indoor Regionals (2 days) [Indoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Address 81 Bittern Avenue Abbeydale Gloucester GL4 4WG Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Phone 01242 543299 (work) 01452 380529 (home) Saturday 20th March 1999 Indoor Nationals (2 days) [Indoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Address 81 Bittern Avenue Abbeydale Gloucester GL4 4WG Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Phone 01242 543299 (work) 01452 380529 (home) Saturday 27th March 1999 Red Outdoors (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Leicester Ultimate Club (Red) Address PO Box 1075 Leicester LE2 1YQ Email red@ultimateweb.co.uk Phone 0116 2559638 (Ben Ravilious) Saturday 10th April 1999 Tour I (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Address 81 Bittern Avenue Abbeydale Gloucester GL4 4WG Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Phone 01242 543299 (work) 01452 380529 (home) Saturday 17th April 1999 Dublin Outdoors (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Peter Bennison Email pbennison@sepro.ie Saturday 1st May 1999 Brugge (2 days) TBC [Outdoor Ultimate Abroad] Saturday 8th May 1999 Tour II (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Address 81 Bittern Avenue Abbeydale Gloucester GL4 4WG Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Phone 01242 543299 (work) 01452 380529 (home) Thursday 13th May 1999 Rotterdam (4 days) TBC [Outdoor Ultimate Abroad] Saturday 5th June 1999 Tour III (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Address 81 Bittern Avenue Abbeydale Gloucester GL4 4WG Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Phone 01242 543299 (work) 01452 380529 (home) Saturday 12th June 1999 Fiesta (2 days) TBC [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Laura Lafave Email lafave@cs.bris.ac.uk Phone (w) +44-117-954 5128 Saturday 26th June 1999 Tour IV (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Address 81 Bittern Avenue Abbeydale Gloucester GL4 4WG Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Phone 01242 543299 (work) 01452 380529 (home) Saturday 3rd July 1999 Lurkers Tournie (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Clifford Bottomley Email Clifford_Bottomley@Cargill.com Phone 07775 197169 Saturday 17th July 1999 Tour V (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Address 81 Bittern Avenue Abbeydale Gloucester GL4 4WG Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Phone 01242 543299 (work) 01452 380529 (home) Saturday 24th July 1999 Ross on Wye (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 7th August 1999 Worlds (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate Abroad] Saturday 14th August 1999 Worlds (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate Abroad] Thursday 9th September 1999 The British Open Championships 1999 (4 days) @ Saffrons, Eastbourne [Outdoor Ultimate] There will be eight pitches in 99! (Max 32 teams) More details will be issued as and when available. Contact Nolan Taylor Address BritOpen 99 Admin Office 3 Wish Road Eastbourne East Sussex BN21 4NX Email open99@daletaylor.co.uk Fax 01323 430223 Phone 01323 430700 URL http://www.tradeworld.co.uk/open99/ Saturday 25th September 1999 Nationals (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Address 81 Bittern Avenue Abbeydale Gloucester GL4 4WG Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Phone 01242 543299 (work) 01452 380529 (home) ---------------------------------------------------------- British Flying Disc Federation Disc Events Diary http://www.dcs.warwick.ac.uk/~ralf/bfdf/ Ranulf Doswell, ralf@dcs.warwick.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Dec 30 18:08:20 1998 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id SAA00797 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 18:07:05 GMT Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (daffodil [137.205.192.30]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA00792 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 18:07:02 GMT Received: from mail-gw1.webleicester.net (mailgate.webleicester.co.uk [195.146.160.12]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA11926 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 18:07:01 GMT Received: from pool-pri2-034.webleicester.co.uk (pool-pri2-034.webleicester.co.uk [195.146.164.34]) by mail-gw1.webleicester.net (8.9.1/8.9.0) with SMTP id SAA13153 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 18:04:49 GMT Received: by pool-pri2-034.webleicester.co.uk with Microsoft Mail id <01BE341E.E81F9640@pool-pri2-034.webleicester.co.uk>; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 18:04:56 -0000 Message-ID: <01BE341E.E81F9640@pool-pri2-034.webleicester.co.uk> From: Ian Scotland To: "'britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk'" Subject: Red Co-ed Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 18:03:02 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id SAA00793 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Red Co-ed Indoors 1999 (9-10 Jan) To find all the details for entered teams, (plus you can find out who is in) please look at our web site http://www.ultimateweb.co.uk/red All the details for entered teams are there. They are also being snailed, if you gave me your address (dome of you didn't)...... If you haven't paid yet, then please do so pronto! I still have reserve teams, so please let me know if your team is on the list but does not intend to come.... Teams entered UTT (not yet paid!) First Touch Red MMj Village People (not yet paid) Whiplash Strange Blue Mohawks Bears Zebedees Jesters Angels (were reserve - not yet paid) Chaos (not yet paid - no address given- where are you Bob!) Cupid Stunts See you there Scott From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sun Jan 3 23:19:33 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id XAA24661 for britdisc-outgoing; Sun, 3 Jan 1999 23:17:34 GMT Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (snowdrop [137.205.192.31]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA24655 for ; Sun, 3 Jan 1999 23:17:31 GMT Received: from maggiore.dsnet.it (maggiore.dsnet.it [195.250.233.15] (may be forged)) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id XAA09685 for ; Sun, 3 Jan 1999 23:17:30 GMT Received: (qmail 20719 invoked from network); 3 Jan 1999 23:17:21 -0000 Received: from pppdin59.dsnet.it (HELO mailbox.dsnet.it) (195.250.230.196) by maggiore.dsnet.it with SMTP; 3 Jan 1999 23:17:21 -0000 Message-ID: <368FF9EE.1E6FBB68@mailbox.dsnet.it> Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 00:14:54 +0100 From: Peldi Reply-To: peldi@ultilinks.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc To: announce@ultilinks.com Subject: New Year? New Ultilinks! Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------AFA1164483A76C7BB46221DE" Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------AFA1164483A76C7BB46221DE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Introducing... a new Ultilinks for a new year. http://www.ultilinks.com/ New and improved features: 1.We can now list ALL teams (even those with just email) 2.The Front Page is brand new, dynamic and "browser-sensitive" 3.The site is 25% FASTER 4.Interviews 5.Picture of the month 6.Improved search engine 7.Sponsors, we are ready! Future features (soon to be added): 8.Free Home Page hosting for your tournament 9.Ultilinks - The BillBoard The above in details: 1.We can now list ALL teams (even those with just email) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ That's right. We changed Ultilinks so that ALL teams with an email contact can be listed, not just those with a web site (the way it was before). This means that the Ultilinks database could easily double its size if we wanted to. But we are only going to do it if YOU want to. Unlike the address of a web site, emails are a personal thing and we don't want to list emails without permission. So if your team doesn't have a web page and you still want to be listed on Ultilinks (good idea!), go ahead and ADD your link! Another privacy issue: all the emails listed on Ultilinks are now coded, to avoid indexing by search-engines or non human agents. For example the email address "staff@ultilinks.com" will appear like this: Ulti*staff@ultilinks.com*links To make it work, people will have to take off the Ulti* and *links parts. It's a bit of a pain, but we don't want the emails listed to get more unsolicited emails (i.e. SPAM) because of us. 2.The Front Page is brand new, dynamic and "browser-sensitive" ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Yes, the most striking difference is the new Front door. It is more like the front page of a newspaper, with most of what you need, just one click away. It shows the number of links divided by continent, a list of cool pages, a built-in search box, and lots of other things: -The content is dynamic (it changes every time you go there): This means that every time you visit Ultilinks, you will get 5 different random links to choose from, a different banner, a different set of web-statistics and a description of a different section of ultilinks. -The page self adjusts to the browser you are using: Even if a good 79.74% of visitors to Ultilinks use Netscape3 (and later) or MSIE4 (and later), there's still a 20% of users with browsers that do not understand Javascript. This means that 20% of you are not be able to use the "Teams", "Usa", and "The Rest" sections. Even the previous Front door had some problems (the banners didn't work). Well, we fixed it! The new Front door now "understands" which browser you are using and shows you only links your browser can interpret well. -The TeamFinder This is another new feature: on the front page you will get an small box with all the teams listed around the world sorted alphabetically. If you are looking for a particular team, this is the fastest way to reach their site! 3.The site is 25% FASTER ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Yep, we try our best to keep the downloading time as short as possible. The "Teams" and "Usa" sections are about 22% faster to load, while the "Go Random" pop-up is an amazing 90% faster! 4.Interviews ^^^^^^^^^^^^ Just for your pleasure, every month we will interview an "ultimate v.i.p." ;-) This month we interviewed Jumpi from CotaRica Rimini, one of the main organizers of Paganello. 5.Picture of the month ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Another thing we added is the "Picture of the Month". Every month we will show a very cool ultimate picture. So go ahead and send us your fantastic high catches or super-ho lay-outs! For a month, your picture will be seen around the world by about 100 people every day! 6.Improved search engine ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ This changed about a month ago, but it shouldn't go unnoticed. Thanks to Chris Schneider and Michael Hauber (both from Radical, Zurich), we switched to ht://dig, a search engine which is much more stable than what we were using before and with a rating system! The address didn't change: http://search.ultilinks.com/ 7.Sponsors, we are ready! ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Julian Durand (from the Wizards Geneva) joined the party to become Ultilinks.com marketing and sales manager. He says that Ultilinks is an advertisers' dream: lots of worldwide hits every day, a very definite audience (ultimate players) and a very useful service. If you are a potential sponsor go ahead and write him at his new address mailto:ultilinks@digitalsmile.com He will tell you that we can now log click-throughs, that we split the banners of each page so that the top one is for sponsors and the bottom one is still free for all teams and tournaments, and lots of other very interesting info. And now about future features (soon to be added): 8.Free Home Page hosting for your tournament ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ We noticed that a lot of tournaments only have an email address. Since this means a lot of work both for the organizers and those who look for info about it. We thought it would be a good service to host tournament home pages for free. The TD will set it up with all the tournament info (name, location, dates, format, etc.). Teams (and pick uppers) will be able to register through the web page, and the TD will be notified when teams do. If it's an hat tournament, players will be able to register as well. No HTML coding will be necessary. People will simply fill out forms. The TD will be able to edit it as many times as needed, to keep it very updated. The address will be something like http://www.ultilinks.com/tournaments/name_of_your_tourny.html 9.Ultilinks - The BillBoard ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ This is another vague idea. Do you know the forum at www.frisbee.de? Well, we would like to do the same thing for people to post messages about their newly founded team or new web page. It doesn't want to replace rec.sport.disc or all the local mailing list at all, it would just be another way to advertise globally your team's new web site or email address. We'll keep you posted on these new features in the near future. Thank you for reading this far and happy new year, Peldi PS.Ultilinks is hosted by DataCore Zurich (http://www.datacore.ch/). They also host the WUCC99 site (http://www.ultilinks.com/wucc99/) and the Paganello web site (http://www.paganello.com). 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gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id HAA17614 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 07:47:01 GMT Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 07:47:01 GMT From: Ranulf Doswell Message-Id: <199901040747.HAA17614@gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: BFDF Events Reminder Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk British Flying Disc Federation Disc Events Diary ------------------------------------------------ The events list can also be found at http://www.dcs.warwick.ac.uk/~ralf/bfdf/ ---------- Saturday 9th January 1999 Red Co-ed Indoors (2 days) @ Aylestone Leisure Centre, Leicester. [Indoor Ultimate] note change of venue Contact Leicester Ultimate Club (Red) Address PO Box 1075 Leicester LE2 1YQ Email red@ultimateweb.co.uk Phone 0116 2559638 (Ben Ravilious) Saturday 16th January 1999 Newport Indoors (2 days) @ Newport [Indoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Address 81 Bittern Avenue Abbeydale Gloucester GL4 4WG Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Phone 01242 543299 (work) 01452 380529 (home) Student Indoor Northern Qualifiers (2 days) @ Edinburgh [Students' Indoor Ultimate] Contact James Spicer Email j.a.spicer@sms.ed.ac.uk Saturday 30th January 1999 Mythago Tourny (2 days) @ Whitchurch Sports Centre, Bristol [Indoor Ultimate] Please send any applications with contact address and cheque made payable to "U.B.U.F.C." Contact Chris Hebert Email ch5400@bristol.ac.uk Phone 0117 973 4983 (until 11/12/98) Contact James Rodgers Address 26 Cromwell Road St. Andrews Bristol BS6 5HB Email jr7706@bris.ac.uk Saturday 13th February 1999 Warwick Indoors (2 days) [Indoor Ultimate] Contact Mike Clements (Percy) Email ecumu@csv.warwick.ac.uk URL http://www.csv.warwick.ac.uk/~suaaz/ Women's Indoor Nationals (2 days) @ The University of Leeds [Women's Indoor Ultimate] Contact Rachel Jacobs Email lec6rej@leeds.ac.uk Phone 0113 224 2891 Saturday 27th February 1999 National Student Indoors (2 days) @ Leeds [Students' Indoor Ultimate] TD Jon Chewins Email bgy6jgc@South-02.novell.leeds.ac.uk Saturday 6th March 1999 Indoor Regionals (2 days) [Indoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Address 81 Bittern Avenue Abbeydale Gloucester GL4 4WG Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Phone 01242 543299 (work) 01452 380529 (home) Saturday 13th March 1999 Indoor Regionals (2 days) [Indoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Address 81 Bittern Avenue Abbeydale Gloucester GL4 4WG Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Phone 01242 543299 (work) 01452 380529 (home) Saturday 20th March 1999 Indoor Nationals (2 days) [Indoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Address 81 Bittern Avenue Abbeydale Gloucester GL4 4WG Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Phone 01242 543299 (work) 01452 380529 (home) Saturday 27th March 1999 Red Outdoors (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Leicester Ultimate Club (Red) Address PO Box 1075 Leicester LE2 1YQ Email red@ultimateweb.co.uk Phone 0116 2559638 (Ben Ravilious) Saturday 10th April 1999 Tour I (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Address 81 Bittern Avenue Abbeydale Gloucester GL4 4WG Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Phone 01242 543299 (work) 01452 380529 (home) Saturday 17th April 1999 Dublin Outdoors (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Peter Bennison Email pbennison@sepro.ie Saturday 1st May 1999 Brugge (2 days) TBC [Outdoor Ultimate Abroad] Saturday 8th May 1999 Tour II (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Address 81 Bittern Avenue Abbeydale Gloucester GL4 4WG Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Phone 01242 543299 (work) 01452 380529 (home) Thursday 13th May 1999 Rotterdam (4 days) TBC [Outdoor Ultimate Abroad] Saturday 5th June 1999 Tour III (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Address 81 Bittern Avenue Abbeydale Gloucester GL4 4WG Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Phone 01242 543299 (work) 01452 380529 (home) Saturday 12th June 1999 Fiesta (2 days) TBC [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Laura Lafave Email lafave@cs.bris.ac.uk Phone (w) +44-117-954 5128 Saturday 26th June 1999 Tour IV (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Address 81 Bittern Avenue Abbeydale Gloucester GL4 4WG Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Phone 01242 543299 (work) 01452 380529 (home) Saturday 3rd July 1999 Lurkers Tournie (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Clifford Bottomley Email Clifford_Bottomley@Cargill.com Phone 07775 197169 Saturday 17th July 1999 Tour V (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Address 81 Bittern Avenue Abbeydale Gloucester GL4 4WG Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Phone 01242 543299 (work) 01452 380529 (home) Saturday 24th July 1999 Ross on Wye (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 7th August 1999 Worlds (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate Abroad] Saturday 14th August 1999 Worlds (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate Abroad] Thursday 9th September 1999 The British Open Championships 1999 (4 days) @ Saffrons, Eastbourne [Outdoor Ultimate] There will be eight pitches in 99! (Max 32 teams) More details will be issued as and when available. Contact Nolan Taylor Address BritOpen 99 Admin Office 3 Wish Road Eastbourne East Sussex BN21 4NX Email open99@daletaylor.co.uk Fax 01323 430223 Phone 01323 430700 URL http://www.tradeworld.co.uk/open99/ Saturday 25th September 1999 Nationals (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Address 81 Bittern Avenue Abbeydale Gloucester GL4 4WG Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Phone 01242 543299 (work) 01452 380529 (home) ---------------------------------------------------------- British Flying Disc Federation Disc Events Diary http://www.dcs.warwick.ac.uk/~ralf/bfdf/ Ranulf Doswell, ralf@dcs.warwick.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Jan 4 17:22:56 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id RAA03037 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 17:21:15 GMT Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (snowdrop [137.205.192.31]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA03031 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 17:21:14 GMT Received: from exchpk02.chelt.ac.uk (exchpk02.chelt.ac.uk [194.66.194.6]) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA21934 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 17:21:13 GMT Received: by exchpk02.chelt.ac.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 17:20:57 -0000 Message-ID: <8102C4585310D211858D0060B01A41330A3A50@exchpk02.chelt.ac.uk> From: "HUGHES, Chris" To: "'Britdisc'" Subject: Tour 99 Update Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 17:20:56 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Happy New Year All, This is rumour control (guess who watched Alien3 last night) Some of the tour venues have been fixed; Tour 2 - Sheffield Tour 3 - Edinburgh Tour 4 - Southampton The tour bids from Swindon and Aberystwyth have gone all 'Pete Tong' and so I am looking for anyone interested in hosting a tour event. Do not just go off and book somewhere - speak to me first; but be rest assured contingency plans are being put in place. Be aware that there are likely to be some changes in the tour rules; and you will be informed of these soon, however most are pretty minor. However, it is possible that teams starting a tour event in the top 8 will be required to wear matching numbered shirts (both light and dark). DO NOT go and buy new kit just cos of this message - nothing is definite yet - just be aware of the possibility before you go and buy beautiful embroidered shirts with no numbers on. You will be informed in plenty of time. Chris Director of Competitions From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Jan 5 14:30:43 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id OAA09166 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 14:29:02 GMT Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (snowdrop [137.205.192.31]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA09160 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 14:29:00 GMT Received: from pp2.shef.ac.uk (pp2.shef.ac.uk [143.167.1.32]) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA12719 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 14:29:00 GMT Received: from [143.167.127.253] (helo=blackmoor.shef.ac.uk) by pp2.shef.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.02 #5) id 0zxXTf-0005Ve-00 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 14:28:59 +0000 Received: from BLACKMOOR/SpoolDir by blackmoor.shef.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); 5 Jan 99 14:28:58 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by BLACKMOOR (Mercury 1.43); 5 Jan 99 14:28:47 +0000 From: "Ralf" To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 14:28:45 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Is there a team at UWE X-mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.31 Message-ID: <2A88AB41CBB@blackmoor.shef.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Does anyone know if there is a team playing out of UWE, the University of the West of England, and if there is, do you have a contact number or e-mail? Cheers, Pete From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Jan 6 11:14:07 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id LAA21290 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 11:12:01 GMT Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (snowdrop [137.205.192.31]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA21280 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 11:11:59 GMT Received: from otto.crispgroup.co.uk (crispgroup.demon.co.uk [158.152.87.155]) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA08450 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 11:11:58 GMT Received: from [129.1.1.241] by otto.crispgroup.co.uk (NTMail 3.03.0017/1.aia2) with ESMTP id ha057233 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 10:08:56 +0000 Received: from [129.1.12.84] by homer.crispgroup.co.uk (NTMail 3.03.0012/1.aia2) with ESMTP id za044849 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 10:14:31 +0000 Received: by raviben810.crispgroup.co.uk with Microsoft Mail id <01BE395D.BBB81DE0@raviben810.crispgroup.co.uk>; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 10:17:15 -0000 Message-ID: <01BE395D.BBB81DE0@raviben810.crispgroup.co.uk> From: Ben Ravilious To: "'Britdisc'" Subject: In my in-tray today..... Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 10:17:09 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Info: Crisp Computing Mail Server Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id LAA21282 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk The following attached letter just arrived in the BUF PO Box. Perhaps someone (Derek Robins?) could advise on a suitable response?! Ben :-) Dear Sir/Madam, I would be grateful if you could please provide me with details of where the nearest 'belly dancing' classes are within the Reading area. I obtained your address from a local copy of the 'Ms London'. I look forward to hearing from you shortly. Yours sincerely Rachel Ingram (address supplied) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Jan 6 14:51:48 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id OAA13545 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 14:50:15 GMT Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (daffodil [137.205.192.30]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA13539 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 14:50:14 GMT Received: from exchpk02.chelt.ac.uk (exchpk02.chelt.ac.uk [194.66.194.6]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA13730 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 14:50:13 GMT Received: by exchpk02.chelt.ac.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 14:49:57 -0000 Message-ID: <8102C4585310D211858D0060B01A41330A3A5E@exchpk02.chelt.ac.uk> From: "HUGHES, Chris" To: "'Britdisc'" , "'fluiddruids'" Subject: Newport Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 14:49:54 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk To all teams intending to go to Newport; If your not on the list your not getting in - but here is information if you are intending to come along and pick-up Information on how to get there and where to stay is available on the following website http://www.dreamer.demon.co.uk/druids/newport99.htm There will be no captains meeting in the morning (make sure you read the information sheet that will be issued on rules) so you can turn up for your first game and play. 9:00 am Start; I'll have a D please Bob! 1 I'll have a D please Bob! 2 Playthings No Frills 9:30 am Start 1st Touch Mr Men Slipdisc Whiplash 10:00 am Start Wyld Stallyns BAF Whiplash Fingers 6 10:30 am Start Headrush Druids Laura + friends UWE Teams should note that if they have any intention of progressing to the second round they have to win their first game (or rely on other teams getting bizarre results). No sympathy will be given to a team that turns up late; motorway tail backs, fog on the M4, driver got drunk last night (Mr Men), got lost, will lose you the game if you are not there in time so ensure that you arrive well in time. Any one has any problems they can mail me at this address. Chris From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Jan 7 10:51:11 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA26421 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 10:49:25 GMT Received: from [137.205.222.1] (mac-wie-31 [137.205.222.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA26385; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 10:49:06 GMT X-Sender: serai@mail.csv.warwick.ac.uk Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 10:52:24 +0000 To: Disc Golf Mailing List:;, britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: Dave Neilson Subject: Interested in playing disc in Sweden? Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Now that 1999 is upon us, I have started to plan my summer Frisbee adventures! One of my ideas was to take part in the WFDF World Overall Championships which will be held in Kalmar, Sweden in July 11-17. I wondered if there are any other British disc players (yeah, that includes you Ultimate-types!) that might be interested in making the trip too? There are two divisions (Open and Ladies) and you do not need to qualify (and anyway there are no British Overall Championships at present), but if you are pretty nifty at either (or both) Ultimate & Disc Golf then you may find the trip to be a real eye-opener as well as tons of fun with a Frisbee! For the price of a beer, I can show you all you need to know to take part in an overall championships ... and you may improve your Ultimate and Disc Golf along the way! If you want to find out more, visit the event website at: http://www.kfk.org/wfdf-99/index.htm and if you are even mildly interested in the overall events or even making the trip to Sweden, contact me at: D.P.Neilson@warwick.ac.uk Cheers, Sammy. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Jan 8 00:42:04 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id AAA22772 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 00:39:20 GMT Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (snowdrop [137.205.192.31]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA22761 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 00:39:16 GMT Received: from sand2.global.net.uk (sand2.global.net.uk [194.126.80.50]) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA22709 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 00:39:15 GMT Received: from p57s08a06.client.global.net.uk ([195.147.216.88] helo=richards) by sand2.global.net.uk with smtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 0zyPxJ-0008KM-00 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 00:39:14 +0000 From: "Richie" To: "BritDisc" Subject: looking to pick up Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 00:43:58 -0000 Message-ID: <01be3a9f$fa3f0e00$LocalHost@richards> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Tall, skinny, ex-druid seeking team to play for at Leicester Co-ed, replys to: Richie@hebrides.co.uk h: 01993 776969 m: 0468 048108 Richie Smart From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Jan 8 11:49:16 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id LAA08609 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 11:47:37 GMT Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (snowdrop [137.205.192.31]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA08603 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 11:47:35 GMT Received: from gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (gem [137.205.227.1]) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA19149 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 11:47:34 GMT Received: (from ralf@localhost) by gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id LAA03742 for britdisc@csv; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 11:47:33 GMT From: Ralf Message-Id: <199901081147.LAA03742@gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: BUF diary / britdisc To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 11:47:32 +0000 (GMT) X-Quote: The closest to perfection a person ever comes is when they fill out a job application. X-Quote: Ever notice that even the busiest people are never too busy to tell you just how busy they are. X-Freedom: 12 days... X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL35 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hello everyone, As some of you know, and probably most of you don't, I'm about to head off to Australia for several months. Obviously, this means that I can't really keep the diary and britdisc running very easily. I've left Sammy in charge of both whilst I'm away, so can you please field diary related stuff to him. He's also doing the majordomo admin stuff for britdisc, although you can all help to reduce the amount of work he has to do here. Some tips for britdisc: o Don't post things that look like commands. e.g. a subject or very short mail containing things like "help", "unsubscribe", "remove" etc. o Don't post large things, especially not over 40K. MS Word attachments are a definite no-no. If you want to post large things, use plain text or put things up on a web-site and provide a URL. o Subscribe / unsubscribe by sending mail to majordomo@csv.warwick.ac.uk with the following text in the body: subscribe britdisc or unsubscribe britdisc Don't make up other variations, or just mail Sammy. Do it properly, and it'll all happen automatically. If you're changing mail addresses, unsubscribe from your old address by sending a mail from that account if you can. If this isn't possible, use the form: unsubscribe britdisc old@email.address which will require approval. o Send diary related stuff to Sammy, serai@csv.warwick.ac.uk o Above all, have fun! Cheers, and have a good year, one and all... Ralf -- I will soon stop using this account as my primary e-mail address. All DCS help questions, please use unixhelp@dcs.warwick.ac.uk All work-related correspondance, please use ralf@dcs.warwick.ac.uk All personal correspondance, please use ralf@fysh.org All spam and junk mail, please use postmaster@localhost From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Jan 8 14:18:32 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id OAA28942 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 14:17:18 GMT Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (snowdrop [137.205.192.31]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA28936 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 14:17:16 GMT Received: from relay.ipf.net (oldrelay.ipf.net [195.88.0.13]) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA29078 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 14:17:15 GMT Received: (qmail 5485 invoked from network); 8 Jan 1999 14:17:12 -0000 Received: from mail.ipf.de (HELO mail2.ipf.de) (195.211.211.22) by relay.ipf.net with SMTP; 8 Jan 1999 14:17:12 -0000 Received: from panduit.de ([195.88.88.125]) by mail2.ipf.de (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with SMTP id AAA11760 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 15:17:07 +0100 Received: from D-Message_Server by panduit.de with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 08 Jan 1999 15:25:16 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 15:17:55 +0100 From: "Paolo A. Nistri" To: CHughes@chelt.ac.uk, britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Tour 99 Update -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Embroidered shirts? Next you'll be passing a motion that all players wear frilly pink hosiery to satisfy your paedophilic desires. Laters, P (22) >>> "HUGHES, Chris" 01/04/99 05:20pm >>> Happy New Year All, This is rumour control (guess who watched Alien3 last night) Some of the tour venues have been fixed; Tour 2 - Sheffield Tour 3 - Edinburgh Tour 4 - Southampton The tour bids from Swindon and Aberystwyth have gone all 'Pete Tong' and so I am looking for anyone interested in hosting a tour event. Do not just go off and book somewhere - speak to me first; but be rest assured contingency plans are being put in place. Be aware that there are likely to be some changes in the tour rules; and you will be informed of these soon, however most are pretty minor. However, it is possible that teams starting a tour event in the top 8 will be required to wear matching numbered shirts (both light and dark). DO NOT go and buy new kit just cos of this message - nothing is definite yet - just be aware of the possibility before you go and buy beautiful embroidered shirts with no numbers on. You will be informed in plenty of time. Chris Director of Competitions From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Jan 8 15:47:02 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id PAA10623 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 15:45:59 GMT Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (daffodil [137.205.192.30]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA10615 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 15:45:55 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA00274 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 15:45:54 GMT Received: from [158.152.139.88] (helo=london1.eulergroup.com) by post.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 0zye6h-0003Qw-00; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 15:45:52 +0000 Received: by LONDON1 with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 15:37:01 -0000 Message-ID: <3FEEBE10F61BD2119B0100805FB7A2E41EB244@LONSEX02> From: "Wagstaff, Colin [euler:eti-lon]" To: "'Paolo A. Nistri'" , CHughes@chelt.ac.uk, britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: RE: Tour 99 Update -Reply Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 15:36:59 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Now that the idea that of holding a tour event in Aberystwyth have been disbanded (were we all really going to go there? I think not), perhaps this idea of numbered shirts for should also be put by the way side (for now). Only two teams (in the top 8 of the tour) must have numbers, UTI and Catch 22 and that's for World's. We (UTI) probably won't have our World's shirts ready for the start of the tour and I guess Catch won't either. Hence some of our players will have non-numbered shirts for the early part of the tour. Does the BUF really think we (the tour) will benefit from the top 8 teams wearing numbers? I thought the point of numbers was to differentiate between players. At International tournaments when you play against teams and players you don't know numbers are useful for identifying players. With the small base of players currently in the UK, where most players know most others, are numbers necessary? If teams want to have numbers on their shirts then go ahead, but lets not make it compulsory! As for Paolo in pink hosiery, I think I better take a rain check on that one, those legs, be serious! Col. UTI -----Original Message----- From: Paolo A. Nistri [SMTP:GB-GAN@panduit.de] Sent: Friday, January 08, 1999 2:18 PM To: CHughes@chelt.ac.uk; britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Tour 99 Update -Reply Embroidered shirts? Next you'll be passing a motion that all players wear frilly pink hosiery to satisfy your paedophilic desires. Laters, P (22) >>> "HUGHES, Chris" 01/04/99 05:20pm >>> Happy New Year All, This is rumour control (guess who watched Alien3 last night) Some of the tour venues have been fixed; Tour 2 - Sheffield Tour 3 - Edinburgh Tour 4 - Southampton The tour bids from Swindon and Aberystwyth have gone all 'Pete Tong' and so I am looking for anyone interested in hosting a tour event. Do not just go off and book somewhere - speak to me first; but be rest assured contingency plans are being put in place. Be aware that there are likely to be some changes in the tour rules; and you will be informed of these soon, however most are pretty minor. However, it is possible that teams starting a tour event in the top 8 will be required to wear matching numbered shirts (both light and dark). DO NOT go and buy new kit just cos of this message - nothing is definite yet - just be aware of the possibility before you go and buy beautiful embroidered shirts with no numbers on. You will be informed in plenty of time. Chris Director of Competitions From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Jan 8 16:29:54 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id QAA16493 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 16:28:50 GMT Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (daffodil [137.205.192.30]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA16485 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 16:28:48 GMT Received: from mps3.leeds.ac.uk (sunserv5.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.16.35]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA04069 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 16:28:47 GMT Received: from west-01.novell.leeds.ac.uk (west-01.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.124.1]) by mps3.leeds.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA20384 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 16:28:44 GMT Received: from LUCS-H21/SpoolDir by west-01.novell.leeds.ac.uk (Mercury 1.43); 8 Jan 99 16:28:29 GMT0BST Received: from SpoolDir by LUCS-H21 (Mercury 1.43); 8 Jan 99 16:28:11 GMT0BST From: "R.E. JACOBS" Organization: University of Leeds To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 16:27:48 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: WOMENS INDOOR NATIONALS X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.54) Message-ID: <302B5ED09F3@west-01.novell.leeds.ac.uk> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-printable to 8bit by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id QAA16488 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Happy New Year Ladies! I hope you all had a great time over the festive period and while you are all in a good mood, i thought i should take advantage of this by asking for your tournament fees for the womens nationals. Due to the fantastic response to this event we are in danger of being abit over subscribed so i have had to limit the number of teams to TWENTY to ensure that we all get a decent amount of playing time. THE FIRST TEAMS TO SEND ME THEIR FEE WILL GET THE PLACES. A CHEQUE PAYABLE TO 'DISCO INFERNO' FOR £70.00 SHOULD REACH ME BY THE 1 FEBRUARY 1999. I can only guarantee you a place once i have received your cheque. For those who have already paid, thanks alot and for those who haven't unless you want to miss out on all the fun you had better get a move on. Accommodation is also on a first come first served basis. I will try a sort out as many teams as i can so if you need somewhere to stay let me know. I also have a list of B & B's for those who would prefer. When you send me your cheques, could you enclose a contact address so that i can post the list of B & B's if needed. Here is a list of the teams that have paid and the ones who have expressed an interest. If i have missed anyone off i apologise. Teams Paid: Squawks Sheffield Skunks WIB (Owe £20) Teams Interested: Bradford Jesters Red Fierce Superfly PDQ Strange Blue No Frills Twin Peaks Bliss Organics Scottish team Vanessa's team York Disco Inferno Horrors St Andrews Any teams not mentioned above are welcome to come if you can get your fee in. I will be at the Whitney practice on the 24th if you have any questions or feel the need to force vast amounts of cash upon me. Give me a call if you have got any problems Cheers Rachxxxxxxxx 3 Elizabeth Street Hyde Park Leeds West Yorkshire LS6 1JF 0113 224 2891 lec6rej@leeds.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Jan 8 16:38:21 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id QAA17736 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 16:38:03 GMT Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (snowdrop [137.205.192.31]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA17727 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 16:38:02 GMT Received: from serenity.mcc.ac.uk (serenity.mcc.ac.uk [130.88.200.93]) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA08441 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 16:38:00 GMT Received: from ccg.acu.man.ac.uk ([130.88.17.200]) by serenity.mcc.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.92 #2) for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk id 0zyev7-00074C-00; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 16:37:58 +0000 Received: from ccMail by ccg.acu.man.ac.uk (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.20.00.25) id AA915813517; Fri, 08 Jan 1999 16:38:40 GMT Message-Id: <9901089158.AA915813517@ccg.acu.man.ac.uk> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.20.00.25 Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 16:36:50 GMT From: "Rob Mitchell" To: Subject: RE: Tour 99 Update -Reply MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: "cc:Mail Note Part" Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk > > Sent: 08 January 1999 15:37 > Now that the idea that of holding a tour event in Aberystwyth > have been disbanded (were we all really going to go there? I think not), yes, col, we were all going to go. What the cocking hell is your problem? Scared that a pack of shaggy welsh trolls might make off with you in the middle of the night? Worried that you won't make it back in time for last orders in the Queen Vic? Frankly your refusal to travel outside the sound of bo bells just makes the event more attractive for the rest of us. When your mother, god bless her, told you to grow up a well-balanced individual, she wasn't telling you to get a chip on both shoulders. rob chevron From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Jan 8 17:35:39 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id RAA24543 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 17:34:51 GMT Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (snowdrop [137.205.192.31]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA24531 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 17:34:49 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA11984 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 17:34:49 GMT Received: from [158.152.139.88] (helo=london1.eulergroup.com) by post.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 0zyfo7-0001tS-00; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 17:34:48 +0000 Received: by LONDON1 with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 16:57:02 -0000 Message-ID: <3FEEBE10F61BD2119B0100805FB7A2E41EB24B@LONSEX02> From: "Wagstaff, Colin [euler:eti-lon]" To: "'Rob Mitchell'" , britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: RE: Tour 99 Update -Reply Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 16:57:08 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk > > Sent: 08 January 1999 15:37 > Now that the idea that of holding a tour event in Aberystwyth > have been disbanded (were we all really going to go there? I think not), RM>yes, col, we were all going to go. I don't think UTI were! See you in Edinburgh! Rimini! Rotterdam! Brugges! St. Andrews! (oh no, maybe not?) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sun Jan 10 21:05:59 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id VAA10297 for britdisc-outgoing; Sun, 10 Jan 1999 21:04:28 GMT Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (daffodil [137.205.192.30]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA10285 for ; Sun, 10 Jan 1999 21:04:25 GMT Received: from mail-gw1.webleicester.net (mailgate.webleicester.co.uk [195.146.160.12]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA01195 for ; Sun, 10 Jan 1999 21:04:24 GMT Received: from pii266 (pool-pri2-045.webleicester.co.uk [195.146.164.45]) by mail-gw1.webleicester.net (8.9.1/8.9.0) with SMTP id VAA10607 for ; Sun, 10 Jan 1999 21:00:45 GMT Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Sun, 10 Jan 1999 21:11:04 -0000 Message-ID: <01BE3CDD.BB580760.bravil@webleicester.co.uk> From: Ben Ravilious Reply-To: "bravil@webleicester.co.uk" To: "'BRITDISC'" Subject: Leicester Co-ed Results Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 21:06:10 -0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk 1. UTT 2. First Touch 3. Strange Blue 4. Pick-up 5. Angels 6. Mohawks 7. Whiplash (Spirit of the game) 8. Village People 9. Red 10. Zebedees 11. Cupid Stunts -Grantham 12. Jesters 13. Bears 14. Mild Mannered Janitors Would someone else like to do a proper tournament report? Ben From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Jan 11 07:48:30 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id HAA06094 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 07:47:05 GMT Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (daffodil [137.205.192.30]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA06089 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 07:47:03 GMT Received: from gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (gem [137.205.227.1]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA25298 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 07:47:03 GMT Received: (from serai@localhost) by gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id HAA28205 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 07:47:01 GMT Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 07:47:01 GMT From: Dave Neilson Message-Id: <199901110747.HAA28205@gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: BUF Events Reminder Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk British Ultimate Federation Disc Events Diary --------------------------------------------- The events list can also be found at http://www.dcs.warwick.ac.uk/~ralf/bfdf/ ---------- Saturday 16th January 1999 Newport Indoors (2 days) @ Newport [Indoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Address 81 Bittern Avenue Abbeydale Gloucester GL4 4WG Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Phone 01242 543299 (work) 01452 380529 (home) Saturday 30th January 1999 Mythago Tourny (2 days) @ Whitchurch Sports Centre, Bristol [Indoor Ultimate] Please send any applications with contact address and cheque made payable to "U.B.U.F.C." Contact Chris Hebert Email ch5400@bristol.ac.uk Phone 0117 973 4983 (until 11/12/98) Contact James Rodgers Address 26 Cromwell Road St. Andrews Bristol BS6 5HB Email jr7706@bris.ac.uk Saturday 6th February 1999 Student Indoor Northern Qualifiers (2 days) @ Edinburgh [Students' Indoor Ultimate] Contact James Spicer Email j.a.spicer@sms.ed.ac.uk Saturday 13th February 1999 Warwick Indoors (2 days) [Indoor Ultimate] Contact Mike Clements (Percy) Email ecumu@csv.warwick.ac.uk URL http://www.csv.warwick.ac.uk/~suaaz/ Women's Indoor Nationals (2 days) @ The University of Leeds [Women's Indoor Ultimate] Contact Rachel Jacobs Email lec6rej@leeds.ac.uk Phone 0113 224 2891 Saturday 27th February 1999 National Student Indoors (2 days) @ Leeds [Students' Indoor Ultimate] TD Jon Chewins Email bgy6jgc@South-02.novell.leeds.ac.uk Saturday 6th March 1999 Indoor Regionals (2 days) [Indoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Address 81 Bittern Avenue Abbeydale Gloucester GL4 4WG Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Phone 01242 543299 (work) 01452 380529 (home) Saturday 13th March 1999 BDGA Golf - A tier tournament (2 days) @ Essex University, Colchester [Golf] Contact Andy Lucey Phone 0181 7676766 Indoor Regionals (2 days) [Indoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Address 81 Bittern Avenue Abbeydale Gloucester GL4 4WG Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Phone 01242 543299 (work) 01452 380529 (home) Saturday 20th March 1999 Indoor Nationals (2 days) [Indoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Address 81 Bittern Avenue Abbeydale Gloucester GL4 4WG Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Phone 01242 543299 (work) 01452 380529 (home) Saturday 27th March 1999 BDGA Golf: Bristol Spring Fling (2 days) @ Ashton Court, Bristol [Golf] Contact Bud Tilton Phone 0117 9268055 Red Outdoors (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Leicester Ultimate Club (Red) Address PO Box 1075 Leicester LE2 1YQ Email red@ultimateweb.co.uk Phone 0116 2559638 (Ben Ravilious) Saturday 10th April 1999 BDGA Golf: Quarry Park Matchplay (2 days) @ Quarry Park, Leamington [Golf] Contact Derek Robins Email D.J.Robins@admin.warwick.ac.uk Tour I (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Address 81 Bittern Avenue Abbeydale Gloucester GL4 4WG Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Phone 01242 543299 (work) 01452 380529 (home) Saturday 17th April 1999 Dublin Outdoors (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Peter Bennison Email pbennison@sepro.ie Saturday 1st May 1999 BDGA Golf: Scottish Open - A tier tournament (2 days) @ Isle of Mull, Scotland [Golf] Contact Guy Bolton Brugge (2 days) TBC [Outdoor Ultimate Abroad] Saturday 8th May 1999 Tour II (2 days) @ Sheffield [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Address 81 Bittern Avenue Abbeydale Gloucester GL4 4WG Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Phone 01242 543299 (work) 01452 380529 (home) Thursday 13th May 1999 Rotterdam (4 days) TBC [Outdoor Ultimate Abroad] Saturday 22nd May 1999 BDGA Golf - B tier tournament (2 days) @ Hayling Island [Golf] Contact Dan Massey Email dmassey@westsussex.gov.uk Saturday 5th June 1999 Tour III (2 days) @ Edinburgh [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Address 81 Bittern Avenue Abbeydale Gloucester GL4 4WG Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Phone 01242 543299 (work) 01452 380529 (home) Saturday 12th June 1999 BDGA Golf - A tier tournament (2 days) @ Quarry Park, Leamington [Golf] Contact Derek Robins Email D.J.Robins@admin.warwick.ac.uk Fiesta (2 days) TBC [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Laura Lafave Email lafave@cs.bris.ac.uk Phone (w) +44-117-954 5128 Saturday 26th June 1999 BDGA Golf - B tier tournament (2 days) @ Ashton Court, Bristol [Golf] Contact Bud Tilton Phone 0117 9268055 Tour IV (2 days) @ Southampton [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Address 81 Bittern Avenue Abbeydale Gloucester GL4 4WG Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Phone 01242 543299 (work) 01452 380529 (home) Saturday 17th July 1999 Tour V (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Address 81 Bittern Avenue Abbeydale Gloucester GL4 4WG Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Phone 01242 543299 (work) 01452 380529 (home) Saturday 24th July 1999 BDGA Golf: British Open - A tier tournament (2 days) @ Whitcombe Farm, Dorset [Golf] Contact Toby Green Email toby.green@ibm.net Ross on Wye (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 7th August 1999 Worlds (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate Abroad] Saturday 14th August 1999 Worlds (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate Abroad] Saturday 28th August 1999 BDGA Golf - B tier tournament (2 days) @ TBA, Scotland [Golf] Contact Liam Young Email liamyoung@bigfoot.com Lurkers Tournie (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Clifford Bottomley Email Clifford_Bottomley@Cargill.com Phone 07775 197169 Thursday 9th September 1999 The British Open Championships 1999 (4 days) @ Saffrons, Eastbourne [Outdoor Ultimate] There will be eight pitches in 99! (Max 32 teams) More details will be issued as and when available. Contact Nolan Taylor Address BritOpen 99 Admin Office 3 Wish Road Eastbourne East Sussex BN21 4NX Email open99@daletaylor.co.uk Fax 01323 430223 Phone 01323 430700 URL http://www.tradeworld.co.uk/open99/ Saturday 18th September 1999 BDGA Golf - A tier tournament (2 days) @ Burnlaw [Golf] Contact Oran Villiers-Stuart Saturday 25th September 1999 Nationals (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Address 81 Bittern Avenue Abbeydale Gloucester GL4 4WG Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Phone 01242 543299 (work) 01452 380529 (home) ---------------------------------------------------------- British Ultimate Federation Disc Events Diary http://www.dcs.warwick.ac.uk/~ralf/bfdf/ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Jan 11 09:03:57 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id JAA15321 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 09:02:48 GMT Received: from [137.205.222.1] (mac-wie-31 [137.205.222.1]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA15315 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 09:02:45 GMT X-Sender: serai@mail.csv.warwick.ac.uk Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 09:06:01 +0000 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk (by way of Dave Neilson) Subject: Assistance Needed Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk From: "Chaseframe" To: Subject: Help Needed !!!!!!! Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 22:36:36 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all, I have recently started a team at King college London. We practice in the Camberwell area but are looking to move to the Elephant and castle. I also want to hold an outdoor practice somewhere inn London on wed afternoon. Does anyone fancy being a coach ???? desperately needed (Mon nights 7pm tbc) Does anyone know of some suitable outdoor space in central London. cheers love Spud kcluf answers on a postcard to either this address or preferably timothy.surry@kcl.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Jan 11 13:46:44 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id NAA25143 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 13:43:43 GMT Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (snowdrop [137.205.192.31]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA25130 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 13:43:41 GMT Received: from taurus.cus.cam.ac.uk (taurus.cus.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.48]) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA22591 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 13:43:38 GMT Received: from caj1.arch.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.34.20]) by taurus.cus.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.10 #5) id 0zzhcz-0005be-00 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 13:43:33 +0000 Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 13:44:23 GMT From: "Dora A. Kemp" To: Subject: Lost items X-Mailer: Mulberry [1.0.1, s/n #10001] X-Authenticated: dak12 by imap.cus.cam.ac.uk X-Licensed-To: University of Cambridge MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk This message applies to those people who went to the Co-ed in Leicester this past weekend. I left my camera behind somewhere in the gym (I believe). It is in a black plastic/vinyl case and there is a yellow plastic tab-like thing on the cord. The film is on about the 30th picture. If anyone has found it please email me at this address. Also could Mark Jefferson from Whiplash please get in touch. Cheers Dora McDonald Institute for Archaeological Research, Downing Street, Cambridge, CB2 3ER; (0)(1223) 339336; (0)(1223) 333536 (FAX) Whatever does good should be held in honour, and the only shame is in doing harm --Plato From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Jan 11 19:53:22 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id TAA11711 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 19:52:42 GMT Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (snowdrop [137.205.192.31]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA11704 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 19:52:40 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA25609 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 19:52:40 GMT Received: from [158.152.248.177] (helo=phidelta.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 0zznOA-0006os-00 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 19:52:39 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 19:51:35 +0000 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: Wayne Retter Subject: Re: Tour 99 Update -Reply In-Reply-To: <3FEEBE10F61BD2119B0100805FB7A2E41EB24B@LONSEX02> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (32) Trial Version 3.05 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Colin Wagstaff>Now that the idea that of holding a tour event in Colin Wagstaff>Aberystwyth have been disbanded (were we all really Colin Wagstaff>going to go there? I think not), Rob Mitchell>yes, col, we were all going to go. Have to agree with Rob, really... if they are willing and able to host a tournament, and the BUF considers it fit to be a Tour Event (and maybe even if they didn't) then people would be going. Some may grumble a little, but they'd go. How would you feel about trips to Norwich, Colchester or Middlesborough? On the map they all appear to have areas that might provide suitable venues for Tour events. Colin Wagstaff>I don't think UTI were! I think you'd have to consult the Tour Rules before you made such a (executive?) decision for your team... (I know) amendments are being considered by the BUF,(note: this next part merely _my_ conjecture) amoungst which may be the removal of the "deduct the worst result from the total ranking points" from the final ranking calculations, and revision of theory of the seeding of the next event. Therefore the possible scenario is that missing one event may remove your chance of winning the Tour. This could seriously affect whether your team should be bothered to make such a trip! With the way things are going, one less team ain't much of a worry, replacing you will be easy! As for the numbered kit - if there's the possibility of some sponsorship (i.e. an external cash source which would translate through to meaning reduced player costs... and enhance your savings towards the cost of your international campaign...) and it required the top teams to be wearing numbered (apparently, it looks more "serious" then!) kit for promotional/publicity purposes (photos/videos/TV?) and the further possibilities of future/additional sponsorship, couldn't you pull your finger out enough to organise something, even temporary, and help us all? I suppose that it's possible that rules could be established (by a vote by all attendees at a quorate BUF AGM - i.e. democratically) to prevent teams from playing if they can't meet any official dress requirements? (It seems to work in Sweden, where at certain competitions a player can be suspended for not having the correct socks...) Petty, maybe, but would _you_ want to be the arrogant upstart with the odds against you? that's more than enough childishness from me for today Wayne ---------------------------------------------------------------- Wayne Retter at home: 0181-663-4856 wayne@phidelta.demon.co.uk mobile: 07970-903420 at work: 01737-273611 wayne_retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Jan 11 22:21:34 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id WAA25806 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 22:20:20 GMT Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (snowdrop [137.205.192.31]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA25800 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 22:20:18 GMT Received: from mail-gw1.webleicester.net (mailgate.webleicester.co.uk [195.146.160.12]) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA01791 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 22:20:17 GMT Received: from pii266 (pool-pri2-033.webleicester.co.uk [195.146.164.33]) by mail-gw1.webleicester.net (8.9.1/8.9.0) with SMTP id WAA00457 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 22:16:30 GMT Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 22:26:59 -0000 Message-ID: <01BE3DB1.80AA4220.bravil@webleicester.co.uk> From: Ben Ravilious Reply-To: "bravil@webleicester.co.uk" To: "'BRITDISC'" Subject: Rimini pick-up... Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 21:29:38 -0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Any takers? -----Original Message----- From: scott steves [SMTP:scottsteves@hotmail.com] Sent: 11 January 1999 14:12 To: BUF Subject: BUF Web Page Enquiry You have had the following enquiry via the BUF web site Name: scott steves Address1: grenoble, france Address2: Post Code: Telephone: Fax: Email: scottsteves@hotmail.com Message: Hi, I'm looking for a team to go to Rimini with. I'm a member of the Monkey Foo out of Grenoble, France, and have played at Sarnen (hat), Geneva (with Monkey Foo), and the Barcelona Porro Open (hat) tournaments. Monkey Foo - well, it's a great group, but we're still way too small and wimpy to get a team together for the beach tournament in Rimini. (I know, we haven't won a match yet either, but that's gonna change next season!) This means that a few of us (Cedric and myself) are looking to hook up with another team that's going. I mean, we wanna go _really_bad_! We'll play backup, carry water, whatever. So if you're looking to boost your numbers for the Rimini tournament, let us know. Hey, everyone could use a breather now and then, right? Cedric and I usually rate ourselves at 4 for the hat tournaments (but El Ced's probably a 5). -- Scott Steves ssteves@hotmail.com Monkey Foo "Worst Team in Europe (...so far)" From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Jan 11 22:21:50 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id WAA25825 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 22:20:36 GMT Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (daffodil [137.205.192.30]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA25819 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 22:20:35 GMT Received: from mail-gw1.webleicester.net (mailgate.webleicester.co.uk [195.146.160.12]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA01979 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 22:20:34 GMT Received: from pii266 (pool-pri2-033.webleicester.co.uk [195.146.164.33]) by mail-gw1.webleicester.net (8.9.1/8.9.0) with SMTP id WAA00482 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 22:16:47 GMT Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 22:27:15 -0000 Message-ID: <01BE3DB1.8AC93360.bravil@webleicester.co.uk> From: Ben Ravilious Reply-To: "bravil@webleicester.co.uk" To: "'BRITDISC'" Subject: Tom's Tourney 99 Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 22:23:59 -0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Email from Glen Nolf @ Brugge:- Could you make a note of our ultimate tournament in your national ultimate calendar : The Bruges Freezzz Beezzz ultimate team will organize their "7th International Outdoor Ultimate Tournament" in the week-end of May 1st and 2nd 1999. We wish to invite you to this event. We can provide over-night accommodations (youth hotel for ?400 Bfr per night, camping for ?200 Bfr per night) when desired. Players fee will be 400 Bfr., dinner not included. If you are interested, please let us know as soon as possible. Please reply before February 15th to one of the following addresses : Glenn Nolf Jan Loontiens Viaduktstraat 6 Zwagershullestraat 7 B8000 Brugge B9881 Bellem Tel : + 32 50 311705 Tel : + 32 9 3750695 Fax: + 32 59 552780 Fax: + 32 9 3728614 E-Mail : Glenn@km.be Shortly after your answer we will send you more information and a registration form. If you have internet access, you can already find all required info on our website http://www.brugge.com/freezzzbeezzz. The last five editions : 1994 20 teams 1.Dutch National Team 2.Kangaroos (D) 3.Fluid Druids (GB) 4.XLR8RS (B) 1995 20 teams 1.Fluid Druids (GB) 2.XLR8RS (B) 3.French National Team 4.Dutch National Team 1996 22 teams 1.Red Lights (NL) 2.XLR8RS (B) 3.Under the influence (GB) 4.Violently happy (GB) 1997 24 teams 1.Tartarus (USA) 2.Violently Happy (GB) 3.Crunch (NL) 4.XLR8RS (B) 1998 24 teams 1.Violently Happy (GB) 2.Invalids (F) 3.Fluid Druids (GB) 4.XLR8RS (B) See you in May . . . Glenn Nolf Freezzz Beezzz Brugge glenn@km.be From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Jan 12 00:11:42 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id AAA07085 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 00:10:10 GMT Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (snowdrop [137.205.192.31]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA07076 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 00:10:07 GMT Received: from neodymium.btinternet.com (neodymium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.83]) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id AAA05926 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 00:10:06 GMT Received: from btinternet.com [195.171.240.213] by neodymium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 1.70 #1) id 0zzrPd-0001U5-00; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 00:10:26 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Conversation <3FEEBE10F61BD2119B0100805FB7A2E41EB24B@LONSEX02> with last message To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mark Jefferson Subject: Re: Tour 99 Update -Reply Date: Tue, 12 Jan 99 00:10:09 GMT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi Guys My team sure as Hell aint in the top eight, so this really is much easier for me to say than others, but - to paraphrase Wanye in his response to Colin - I certainly would want to be the arrogant upstart with the odds against me, if it came down to it. Maybe I wouldn't explode into anarchism over numbered t-shirts but God help anyone who tried to tell me what socks to wear! It's taken us 18 months to get t-shirts...... Actually, this wasn't supposed to be a pedantic outcry against the fashion police - will people please think before they type? Before someone else grumbles about the narrowly avoided prospect of a tounie in Aberystwyth will you please remember every Scottish player who makes the cruel journey to and from the south coast with nothing but a smile and a couple of tinnies? Our journey to the Indoor Nationals in Edinburgh was broken up with a night out in Newcastle - I have nothing but respect for people who drive so far so regularly to play Ultimate and certain little gobshites really do take the piss when they blankly refuse to attend a tournament which puts a hour or two on their travelling time. Rant over. Back to nice-guy persona. Mark Jefferson Whiplash 14 Troutbeck Peartree Bridge Milton Keynes MK6 3ED 01908 666573 Mark.JJ@btinternet.com From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Jan 12 10:06:10 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA11676 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 10:04:54 GMT Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (snowdrop [137.205.192.31]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA11669 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 10:04:52 GMT Received: from polaris.bmpddb.com (mailhost.bmpddb.com [193.130.32.70]) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA22628 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 10:04:51 GMT Received: by POLARIS with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 10:01:17 -0000 Message-ID: From: David Trovell To: "'Wayne Retter'" , britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: UTI Disclaimer Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 10:01:16 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk The views of certain fuckwits do not neccessarily represent those of UTI !! Colin you Muppet! > -----Original Message----- > From: Wayne Retter [SMTP:wayne@phidelta.demon.co.uk] > Sent: 11 January 1999 19:52 > To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk > Subject: Re: Tour 99 Update -Reply > > Colin Wagstaff>Now that the idea that of holding a tour event in > Colin Wagstaff>Aberystwyth have been disbanded (were we all really > Colin Wagstaff>going to go there? I think not), > > Rob Mitchell>yes, col, we were all going to go. > > Have to agree with Rob, really... if they are willing and able to host a > tournament, and the BUF considers it fit to be a Tour Event (and maybe > even if they didn't) then people would be going. Some may grumble a > little, but they'd go. > > How would you feel about trips to Norwich, Colchester or Middlesborough? > On the map they all appear to have areas that might provide suitable > venues for Tour events. > > Colin Wagstaff>I don't think UTI were! > > I think you'd have to consult the Tour Rules before you made such a > (executive?) decision for your team... (I know) amendments are being > considered by the BUF,(note: this next part merely _my_ conjecture) > amoungst which may be the removal of the "deduct the worst result from > the total ranking points" from the final ranking calculations, and > revision of theory of the seeding of the next event. Therefore the > possible scenario is that missing one event may remove your chance of > winning the Tour. > > This could seriously affect whether your team should be bothered to make > such a trip! > > With the way things are going, one less team ain't much of a worry, > replacing you will be easy! > > As for the numbered kit - if there's the possibility of some sponsorship > (i.e. an external cash source which would translate through to meaning > reduced player costs... and enhance your savings towards the cost of > your international campaign...) and it required the top teams to be > wearing numbered (apparently, it looks more "serious" then!) kit for > promotional/publicity purposes (photos/videos/TV?) and the further > possibilities of future/additional sponsorship, couldn't you pull your > finger out enough to organise something, even temporary, and help us > all? > > I suppose that it's possible that rules could be established (by a vote > by all attendees at a quorate BUF AGM - i.e. democratically) to prevent > teams from playing if they can't meet any official dress requirements? > (It seems to work in Sweden, where at certain competitions a player can > be suspended for not having the correct socks...) > > Petty, maybe, but would _you_ want to be the arrogant upstart with the > odds against you? > > that's more than enough childishness from me for today > > Wayne > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > Wayne Retter > at home: 0181-663-4856 wayne@phidelta.demon.co.uk > mobile: 07970-903420 > at work: 01737-273611 wayne_retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Jan 12 12:04:28 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA04211 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 12:01:50 GMT Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (snowdrop [137.205.192.31]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA04200 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 12:01:45 GMT Received: from ultra2.aber.ac.uk (ultra2.aber.ac.uk [144.124.16.18]) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA02797 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 12:01:41 GMT Received: from pcedcd.dph.aber.ac.uk ([144.124.48.164] helo=aber.ac.uk) by ultra2.aber.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.01 #4) for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk id 1002Vs-0007nK-00; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 12:01:36 +0000 Message-ID: <369BAA24.A8C5556B@aber.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 12:01:40 -0800 From: Dinesh Narayan Organization: The Integrated Sensors Research Group X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 [en] (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Britdisc Subject: Aberystwyth Tour 99 bid Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hello folks!! I've been reading the comments that followed Colin Wagstaff's remarks about the prospect of holding a tour event in Aberystwyth with interest. I would like to thank everyone with Britdisc, on behalf of Mwnci See, who has given support to our bid. It is unfortunate that we will be unable to go ahead with it this year. We were, and still are, looking forward to hosting a tour event but what let us down this year was accomodation. We believe we have the facilties to host a good tour event which included nice flat, even fields. There is even a Safeways supermarket fairly close to the grounds so food and drinks would have been no problem. Unfortunately, the university which owns the grounds where the tour event would have taken place refused camping on the fields and this time we were unable to secure alternative camping sites nearby. I admit Aberystwyth may appear a bit isolated, a bit cut off from the rest of the country but I don't believe it would have put off most competitors in participating. It is no less accessible than other places where ultimate tournaments have been held in the past. A tour event in Aberystwyth would have been a huge opportunity to promote ultimate in Wales which has, as far as I know, just two teams. There is still a lack of knowledge or understanding amongst students here about our sport and a tour event would helped enormously, it may even have helped recruit new players. Also the idea of hosting a tour event in Aberystwyth came from Alex Evans, who set up Mwnci See and played for us and is now a UTI player. Sorry Colin. Hopefully, by next year we will be able to get sort the problem about where to accomodate players and host a successful tour event. In the meantime, Mwnci See apologises to the tour organisers for removing our bid to host a Tour 99 event, sorry for any inconveniance caused. Thanks again to everyone who has shown support, see you all later this year. Cheers, Den Mwnci See, Aberystwyth University Ultimate. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Jan 12 12:39:32 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA12540 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 12:37:41 GMT Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (daffodil [137.205.192.30]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA12528 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 12:37:37 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA18711 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 12:37:36 GMT Received: from [194.159.98.2] (helo=postcard.KSCL.COM) by post.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 10034Y-0001w7-00; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 12:37:26 +0000 Received: by POSTCARD.kscl.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 12:36:33 -0000 Message-ID: From: Fraser Macrae To: "'Dinesh Narayan'" Cc: "'BritDisc'" Subject: RE: Aberystwyth Tour 99 bid Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 12:36:28 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Dinesh, Don't worry about teams not being prepared to travel to Aberystwyth. They're just a bunch of light weights. ;-) Sneeeky's, probably still holding the record for the most miles travelled in a season, would certainly be prepared to attend. Ah, those were the days! Good luck with your next bid! Fraser Sneeeky's -----Original Message----- From: Dinesh Narayan [mailto:djn997@aber.ac.uk] Sent: 12 January 1999 20:02 To: Britdisc Subject: Aberystwyth Tour 99 bid Hello folks!! I've been reading the comments that followed Colin Wagstaff's remarks about the prospect of holding a tour event in Aberystwyth with interest. I would like to thank everyone with Britdisc, on behalf of Mwnci See, who has given support to our bid. It is unfortunate that we will be unable to go ahead with it this year. We were, and still are, looking forward to hosting a tour event but what let us down this year was accomodation. We believe we have the facilties to host a good tour event which included nice flat, even fields. There is even a Safeways supermarket fairly close to the grounds so food and drinks would have been no problem. Unfortunately, the university which owns the grounds where the tour event would have taken place refused camping on the fields and this time we were unable to secure alternative camping sites nearby. I admit Aberystwyth may appear a bit isolated, a bit cut off from the rest of the country but I don't believe it would have put off most competitors in participating. It is no less accessible than other places where ultimate tournaments have been held in the past. A tour event in Aberystwyth would have been a huge opportunity to promote ultimate in Wales which has, as far as I know, just two teams. There is still a lack of knowledge or understanding amongst students here about our sport and a tour event would helped enormously, it may even have helped recruit new players. Also the idea of hosting a tour event in Aberystwyth came from Alex Evans, who set up Mwnci See and played for us and is now a UTI player. Sorry Colin. Hopefully, by next year we will be able to get sort the problem about where to accomodate players and host a successful tour event. In the meantime, Mwnci See apologises to the tour organisers for removing our bid to host a Tour 99 event, sorry for any inconveniance caused. Thanks again to everyone who has shown support, see you all later this year. Cheers, Den Mwnci See, Aberystwyth University Ultimate. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Jan 12 16:40:39 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id QAA07032 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 16:38:54 GMT Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (daffodil [137.205.192.30]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA07020 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 16:38:51 GMT Received: from exchpk02.chelt.ac.uk (exchpk02.chelt.ac.uk [194.66.194.6]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA16121 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 16:38:50 GMT Received: by exchpk02.chelt.ac.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 16:38:34 -0000 Message-ID: <8102C4585310D211858D0060B01A41330A3A65@exchpk02.chelt.ac.uk> From: "HUGHES, Chris" To: "'Britdisc'" Subject: Aber Tour Bid Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 16:38:33 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk First up; my apologies to all the Welsh for my repeated demonstration of my inability to spell. Second; Yes Aber my be isolated and along way from most people, but I was very grateful for the fact that they at least pulled their finger out and made a reasonable bid to hold a tour event. Tournament organisers, and certainly the tour organisers repeatedly get complaints against where the venues are. Well for all you Londoners (and it always seems to be the ones in London) there is one simple way to solve your travelling problem - put in a bid for a tour! Stop sitting on your well tailored arses, in the expensive shoe boxes you call flats, drinking bottles of beer with fruit in the neck, and organise a tournament; the venues are there, otherwise you'll just have to travel a bit further than zone 5 on the tube. Chris Hughes (Director of Competitions) (Looking forward to going to Aber in 2000) (Trying to find venues for T1 at Lands End & T5 in Shetland just to piss Colin off) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Jan 12 18:30:11 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id SAA25431 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 18:23:43 GMT Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (snowdrop [137.205.192.31]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA25425 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 18:23:41 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA11095 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 18:23:40 GMT Received: from [158.152.139.88] (helo=london1.eulergroup.com) by post.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 1008TX-0005VQ-00 for Britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 18:23:38 +0000 Received: by LONDON1 with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 18:11:52 -0000 Message-ID: <3FEEBE10F61BD2119B0100805FB7A2E41EB264@LONSEX02> From: "Wagstaff, Colin [euler:eti-lon]" To: "'Britdisc'" Subject: Tour in Aber Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 18:11:52 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk All, To put a couple of things straight. My comments were made following a number of conversations with my team mates of which a number had expressed their dislike for the location of Aber as a tour event and some agreed they probably wouldn't go. My comments purely stated initially, that I didn't think we (UTI) were all going to travel to Aber, the fact I signed off as Col, UTI doesn't imply that these are the comments of the whole team, do they, Dave? They merely identify who is making those comments. I went on to state that I didn't think UTI were going to go to Aber. Flame me all you like but I still ain't going to Aber for a tour event this year. Inevitable Riposte? Col Ex Druid! From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Jan 12 20:27:59 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id UAA12784 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 20:27:05 GMT Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (daffodil [137.205.192.30]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA12774 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 20:27:03 GMT Received: from beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk (beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.129.138]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA07043 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 20:27:03 GMT Received: from cedar.sucs.soton.ac.uk (cedar.sucs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.128.92]) by beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.8/relay-02) with ESMTP id UAA14603 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 20:27:01 GMT Received: from b62b-26.sucs.soton.ac.uk (b62b-26.sucs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.237.195]) by cedar.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.8/relay-02) with SMTP id UAA22327 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 20:20:13 GMT From: Suze Reply-To: scp195@soton.ac.uk To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: What you have all been waiting for... Message-ID: Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 20:26:35 +0000 (GMT) X-Mailer: Simeon for Windows Version 4.1.4 Build (40) X-Authentication: none MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Yep, here they are, the Southampton indoors results. Sorry about the delay but Christmas, New Year and revision got in the way. I am not even sure about the results (kind of like when I presented them the first time) but here goes anyway: 1. UTI 2. Druids 3. BAF 4. Wild Stallions 5. Mr. Men 6. Scooby Doo 7. Village 8. Look at me 9. Simpsons 10. Skunks 1 11. Red 12. Whiplash 13. WIB 14. Picnic 15. Skunks 2 16. Skunks 3 Spirit = Scooby Doo (and winners of Co-ed division) MVP = Dave Trovell (UTI) Report: well, it was such a long time ago and I have been working so hard that I haven't had time to write a report. Anyway, suffice to say that on behalf of all the Skunks I would like to say thanks to everyone for coming to our tournament. We thoroughly enjoyed it and I know Skunks 1 had a number of very close games (most of which we lost in the dying minutes in true skunks style) and all were well fought and well spirited. We learnt a hell of alot and I rediscovered my love of indoor ultimate! I must just say I was very impressed with Jeff's layout. I have got no idea what game it was and I am sure he hasn't either as he probably does them all the time but it had my seal of approval. A pretty good party I thought too, thanks to Tack (although free beer always helps things along). Jesters - thanks for your entry, sorry you didn't get in. I have torn up your cheque as there was no return address. Hope that is OK. Wayne - I have no idea what happened to my list of results so you can't have them - sorry! It just leaves me to tell you the lost property: Blue converse shoes Long sleeved fingers 6 top Grey parafine jumper Grey long sleeved Druids top Casio watch with broken strap Ripcurl watch with velcro strap Blue 'G' woolly hat Mr. Nonsense T-shirt Burgundy T-shirt with 7 dwarfs on the front Burgundy Lowe Alpine fleece (which I am enjoying wearing) Damo's disc Alex's (UTI) disc Cheers Suze ---------------------- Suze scp195@soton.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Jan 12 23:56:27 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id XAA02493 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 23:54:44 GMT Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (daffodil [137.205.192.30]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA02488 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 23:54:42 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA16569 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 23:54:42 GMT Received: from [158.152.248.177] (helo=phidelta.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 100Ddv-0000Aw-00 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 23:54:40 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 23:48:32 +0000 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: Wayne Retter Subject: was: Re:Tour in Aber In-Reply-To: <3FEEBE10F61BD2119B0100805FB7A2E41EB264@LONSEX02> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (32) Trial Version 3.05 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Wagstaff, Colin >Col >Ex Druid! Amen to that! Wayne on behalf of the Fluid Druids ---------------------------------------------------------------- Wayne Retter at home: 0181-663-4856 wayne@phidelta.demon.co.uk mobile: 07970-903420 at work: 01737-273611 wayne_retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Jan 13 02:23:48 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id CAA13181 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 02:22:43 GMT Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (snowdrop [137.205.192.31]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id CAA13173 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 02:22:41 GMT Received: from boober.lineone.net (boober-be.lineone.net [194.75.152.84]) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id CAA04402 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 02:22:40 GMT Received: from dad (host5-99-58-78.btinternet.com [195.99.58.78]) by boober.lineone.net (8.8.5/8.8.0) with ESMTP id CAA06140 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 02:22:38 GMT Message-Id: <199901130222.CAA06140@boober.lineone.net> Reply-To: From: "Chaseframe" To: Subject: SE student league Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 02:27:06 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi all, Sickboy has informed me that he has no time to organise the league so I shall have a bash!! Lets get this show on the road Teams in the south east region who wish to play in the league could you please contact me either at this address or timothy.surry@kcl.ac.uk (or both) asap. Teams that Ihave thought of are Chaos k-niggets Morphine logic discpraxic dragons mohawks skunks Toxic Brunel Falcons pdq Kings QMW And another team that sicko told me about fro p'mouth can't remember the name PLease please reply in the next couple of days so we can start hucking and chucking include phone nos addresses etc for contact list any suggestions be gentle with me Love spud kclfu by the way if anyone wants particulary to phone me 07801-074-508 (ring me it makes me able to pretend i have friends whilst sitting in the bar by myself) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Jan 13 09:21:12 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id JAA02011 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 09:20:00 GMT Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (snowdrop [137.205.192.31]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA02005 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 09:19:58 GMT Received: from relay.ipf.net (oldrelay.ipf.net [195.88.0.13]) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA16190 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 09:19:57 GMT Received: (qmail 19612 invoked from network); 13 Jan 1999 09:19:54 -0000 Received: from mail.ipf.de (HELO mail2.ipf.de) (195.211.211.22) by relay.ipf.net with SMTP; 13 Jan 1999 09:19:54 -0000 Received: from panduit.de ([195.88.88.125]) by mail2.ipf.de (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with SMTP id AAA15735 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 10:19:55 +0100 Received: from D-Message_Server by panduit.de with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 10:19:46 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 10:21:21 +0100 From: "Paolo A. Nistri" To: Britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk, Colin.Wagstaff@eulergroup.com Subject: Tour in Aber -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Col Ex Druid! >>>nuff said. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Jan 13 12:28:31 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA07855 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 12:25:44 GMT Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (snowdrop [137.205.192.31]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA07839 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 12:25:41 GMT Received: from coventry.ac.uk (mercury.coventry.ac.uk [193.61.107.16]) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA02306 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 12:25:40 GMT Received: from n235-2.mis.coventry.ac.uk (n235-2.mis.coventry.ac.uk [194.66.45.27]) by coventry.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.6.11) with SMTP id MAA12992 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 12:25:35 GMT Message-ID: <369D00F4.7C4D@coventry.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 12:24:20 -0800 From: Steve Shipley Organization: School of MIS, Coventry University X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.02Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "'Britdisc'" Subject: Re: Tour in Aber References: <3FEEBE10F61BD2119B0100805FB7A2E41EB264@LONSEX02> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk > Flame me all you like but I still ain't going to Aber for a tour event this > year. > > Inevitable Riposte? > > Col In that case - please, please, please can we have a tour event in Aberystwyth. Steve, UTI. (Inevitable riposte) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Jan 13 13:10:43 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id NAA17255 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 13:09:12 GMT Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (daffodil [137.205.192.30]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA17239 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 13:09:10 GMT Received: from otto.crispgroup.co.uk (crispgroup.demon.co.uk [158.152.87.155]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA06181 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 13:09:06 GMT Received: from [129.1.1.241] by otto.crispgroup.co.uk (NTMail 3.03.0017/1.aia2) with ESMTP id oa059944 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 13:03:28 +0000 Received: from [129.1.11.105] by homer.crispgroup.co.uk (NTMail 3.03.0012/1.aia2) with ESMTP id xa046069 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 13:08:50 +0000 Received: by raviben810.crispgroup.co.uk with Microsoft Mail id <01BE3EF6.41E116E0@raviben810.crispgroup.co.uk>; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 13:11:40 -0000 Message-ID: <01BE3EF6.41E116E0@raviben810.crispgroup.co.uk> From: Ben Ravilious To: "'Britdisc'" Subject: Aberystwyth Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 13:11:34 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Info: Crisp Computing Mail Server Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk For a change of scenery, why dont you UTI people hold a practice out of London? Perhaps somewhere rural or maybe in one of the provinces? Why not a little town by the sea with mountains nearby? Choose life. Choose Aberystwyth. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Jan 13 15:43:54 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id PAA20477 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 15:42:03 GMT Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (daffodil [137.205.192.30]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA20460 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 15:41:57 GMT Received: from mercury.king.ac.uk (mercury.king.ac.uk [141.241.4.24]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA27689 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 15:41:56 GMT Received: from bob.king.ac.uk by mercury.king.ac.uk with SMTP (MMTA 2) with ESMTP; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 14:32:11 +0000 Received: from BOB/SpoolDir by bob.king.ac.uk (Mercury 1.43); 13 Jan 99 14:32:10 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by BOB (Mercury 1.43); 13 Jan 99 14:31:55 +0000 From: Sick Boy Organization: Kingston University To: Scott@webleicester.net, Arfon.Jones@camcon.co.uk, mackay@keck.ucsf.edu (David MacKay), nolan@daletaylor.co.uk, RJSaunders@compuserve.com, C.M.Hinton@open.ac.uk, kevin.lowe@infogrames.co.uk, S.Sheppard@ftel.co.uk, ian.stebbing@uk.pwcglobal.com, britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 14:31:52 +0000 Subject: Masters Team for World Clubs X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.54) Message-ID: <7F8E6F27C6@bob.king.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk As most of you will now know, Great Britain have been allocated two slots for Masters Teams at World Clubs '99. Many eligible people have already registered their desire to play in a masters team I am setting up for one of these slots. I understand Violently Happy are likely to take the other slot (can anyone confirm this?). Anyone else who wants to be involved in the Masters Division, get in touch with me asap. I would like to provisionally book Sunday 21st February for a get-together/practice (maybe against another team), so that we can plan the odd tournament appearance and friendly game over the next few months. Venue and hour to be confirmed. Look forward to hearing from you. Cheers Colin From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Jan 13 17:36:18 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id RAA11297 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 17:34:50 GMT Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (snowdrop [137.205.192.31]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA11246 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 17:34:38 GMT Received: from venus.open.ac.uk (venus.open.ac.uk [137.108.143.2]) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id RAA29364 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 17:34:38 GMT Received: from [137.108.24.133] (actually host dhcp-kmi-133.open.ac.uk) by venus with SMTP Local (MMTA v2.2) with ESMTP; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 16:37:36 +0000 X-Sender: john@blake Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <7F8E6F27C6@bob.king.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 16:40:09 +0000 To: Sick Boy , Scott@webleicester.net, Arfon.Jones@camcon.co.uk, mackay@keck.ucsf.edu (David MacKay), nolan@daletaylor.co.uk, RJSaunders@compuserve.com, C.M.Hinton@open.ac.uk, kevin.lowe@infogrames.co.uk, S.Sheppard@ftel.co.uk, ian.stebbing@uk.pwcglobal.com, britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: John Domingue Subject: Re: Masters Team for World Clubs Cc: "'Andy Hoad'" , "'JD & Bob Middas'" , "'Mark Dickinson'" , "'Paul Dickinson'" , "'Sparks Finger'" , "'Stephen Nixon'" , "PHILLIPS, Robert (OVLON)" Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk As far as I know Violently Happy are NOT interested in sending a Masters Team (I mailed Laura to this effect last month) john (VH) At 2:31 pm +0000 13/1/99, Sick Boy wrote: >As most of you will now know, Great Britain have been allocated two >slots for Masters Teams at World Clubs '99. > >Many eligible people have already registered their desire to play in >a masters team I am setting up for one of these slots. I understand >Violently Happy are likely to take the other slot (can anyone confirm >this?). Anyone else who wants to be involved in the Masters Division, >get in touch with me asap. > >I would like to provisionally book Sunday 21st February for a >get-together/practice (maybe against another team), so that we can >plan the odd tournament appearance and friendly game over the next >few months. Venue and hour to be confirmed. > >Look forward to hearing from you. > >Cheers >Colin From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Jan 14 12:40:19 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA25191 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 12:37:06 GMT Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (daffodil [137.205.192.30]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA25177 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 12:37:02 GMT Received: from muck.dcs.ed.ac.uk (muck.dcs.ed.ac.uk [129.215.160.15]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA24147 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 12:37:02 GMT Received: from potrail.dcs.ed.ac.uk (pde@potrail.dcs.ed.ac.uk [129.215.199.122]) by muck.dcs.ed.ac.uk with ESMTP id MAA17177; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 12:36:46 GMT Received: from localhost (pde@localhost) by potrail.dcs.ed.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA11015; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 12:36:44 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: potrail.dcs.ed.ac.uk: pde owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 12:36:41 +0000 (GMT) From: Paul Eastman To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk cc: ro-sham-bo@egroups.com Subject: Northern Student Indoor Qualifiers Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk INVITATION TO NORTHERN STUDENT QUALIFIERS 6th/7th Febuary 1999 Ro-Sham-Bo EDINBURGH Invites to: Aberdeen Dundee Glasgow St Andrews Durham Lancaster Bradford Leeds Edinburgh If you feel that we have overlooked your team please accept my appoliges any contact us. The tournament will be played over two days at the Medowbank Sports Centre. More deatils will follow. Cost: 80.00GBP per team. Cheques made payable to EUUFC Each club is guarenteed a place, however as there are 16 places avaliable teams may enter more than on team. Please can you send seperate cheques for each team you wish to enter. The closing date for entry is 28th Jan and all extra places will be allocated after this date. Please send money to: Paul Eastman 6A Castle Terrace Edinburgh EH1 2DP Any Quires contact either Jim McDonald T.D (jamesmcd@srv0.bio.ed.ac.uk) or Adam Milner (a.r.milner@bute.ed.ac.uk) Thanks Paul Eastman Secretary Ro-Sham-Bo From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Jan 14 19:37:44 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id TAA11706 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 19:37:02 GMT Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (daffodil [137.205.192.30]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA11697 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 19:36:59 GMT Received: from mercury.king.ac.uk (mercury.king.ac.uk [141.241.4.24]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id TAA06640 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 19:36:57 GMT Received: from bob.king.ac.uk by mercury.king.ac.uk with SMTP (MMTA 2) with ESMTP; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 19:23:02 +0000 Received: from BOB/SpoolDir by bob.king.ac.uk (Mercury 1.43); 14 Jan 99 19:23:01 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by BOB (Mercury 1.43); 14 Jan 99 15:24:18 +0000 From: Sick Boy Organization: Kingston University To: Laura Pearce , britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 15:24:14 +0000 Subject: Re: Masters Team for World Clubs In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.54) Message-ID: <986E740FED@bob.king.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk > As you can see from John D's reply to britdisc, VH will not be filling one > of the places. Shame. Nolan wrote the following to me yesterday and I think he has a good point. >VH may have stated that they are not entering, but it would be far >better to have a London based team and a more Northerly based team. >If VH could be persuaded to take up one slot, it would be a whole >lot better as far as pulling together decent squads for practices. >If it's just one big team, it means that a few keen players just >won't be able to get to all the practices and it would be a dreadful >waste if those players were thus not able to take part at World >Clubs. I think the idea having a northern and southern team is great, but am not so sure of persuading VH to be that team. Sean Young said he had heard that there might be a Scottish Masters team with old Sneeekys like himself and perhaps some old Stan boys? Have you heard any such rumours? Have they contacted you? That would be a really cool way to approach it. > Therefore, I think it would be best to assume that we will only fill one > place and that you should concentrate on getting your team together for it. > I think we will also have to decline the second slot pretty soon if we can't > fill it - I can't even see a whole load of people coming out of the woodwork > if they know we are giving up the place. I would suggest that you let > people know the likelihood of giving up the second place, see what the > reaction is, and then let me know asap. > I would think it would be far more beneficial to concentrate on filling one > slot well than two slots badly. If there isn't a chance of a northern (or any) team coming forward, then it definitely would be beneficial to drop the second slot, and concentrate all efforts on one team. Let me know how you get on. Cheers Colin ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Colin "Sick Boy" Smith "K-Niggets" Ultimate Club Kingston University k967338@kingston.ac.uk Tel: (0181) 942 8050 From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Jan 15 00:24:37 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id AAA07768 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 00:22:19 GMT Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (snowdrop [137.205.192.31]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA07757 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 00:22:16 GMT Received: from mail-gw1.webleicester.net (mailgate.webleicester.co.uk [195.146.160.12]) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA12223 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 00:22:15 GMT Received: from pii266 (pool-pri2-031.webleicester.co.uk [195.146.164.31]) by mail-gw1.webleicester.net (8.9.1/8.9.0) with SMTP id AAA03248; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 00:18:00 GMT Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 00:28:58 -0000 Message-ID: <01BE401E.0A984360.bravil@webleicester.co.uk> From: Ben Ravilious Reply-To: "bravil@webleicester.co.uk" To: "'BRITDISC'" Cc: "'64026159@mmu.ac.uk'" <64026159@mmu.ac.uk>, "'ch5400@bristol.ac.uk'" , "'JohnJohannessen@strath.ac.uk'" , "'jr7706@bris.ac.uk'" , "'dd5452@bristol.ac.uk'" , "'L.Paulson@mmu.ac.uk'" Cc: "'jazzman@cadets.clara.net'" , "'WZiants@spencerstuart.com'" Subject: Urgent!: Fingers 6, Mythago, The Source Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 00:27:12 -0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Folks, Do you have contact with any of these three teams? Fingers 6:Manchester Mythago: Bristol The Source: Strathclyde If you do then please get me in touch as I am still missing contact details. If you play for one of these teams, I need the following information: Main contact person Address Postcode Phone Numbers Internet Thanks Ben BUF Secretary PS apologies for any duplicate postings - I don't know who is on Britdisc. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Jan 15 08:40:27 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id IAA10388 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 08:39:36 GMT Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (snowdrop [137.205.192.31]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA10382 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 08:39:34 GMT Received: from gatekeeper.kpmg.co.uk (gatekeeper.kpmg.co.uk [158.177.32.1]) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA29959 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 08:39:33 GMT Received: by gatekeeper.kpmg.co.uk; id IAA08403; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 08:36:51 GMT Received: from ccgate.kpmg.co.uk(158.174.24.70) by gatekeeper.kpmg.co.uk via smap (4.1) id xma008212; Fri, 15 Jan 99 08:36:08 GMT Received: from ccMail by kpmg_ima_1.kpmg.co.uk (IMA Internet Exchange 3.0 Enterprise) id 001D6F68; Fri, 15 Jan 99 08:38:41 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 08:19:13 +0000 Message-ID: <001D6F68.CE21438@kpmg.co.uk> From: Colin.Eagles@kpmg.co.uk (Colin Eagles) To: Britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk The Wyld Stallyns are a little short on personnel this weekend, so if anyone would like to come down and pick up then give me a call on: 01908 844952 - work - a message will get through 01908 674299 - home Otherwise just head down to Newport tomorrow and give me a shout. Cheers, Colin. Email Disclaimer The information in this email is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this email by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful. When addressed to our clients any opinions or advice contained in this email are subject to the terms and conditions expressed in the governing KPMG client engagement letter. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Jan 15 10:14:23 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA20970 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 10:12:42 GMT Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (daffodil [137.205.192.30]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA20957 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 10:12:39 GMT Received: from praseodumium.btinternet.com (praseodumium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.82]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA18753 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 10:12:39 GMT Received: from mail.btinternet.com [62.172.58.41] by praseodumium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 1.70 #1) id 1016Em-0002tj-00; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 10:12:21 +0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail and News for Macintosh - 1.1 (34) Subject: Newport From: Laura Pearce To: Britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 10:12:21 +0000 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Unfortunately, the team I was planning on playing on has been hit by the flu in the past few days and as a result, numbers are a little short. This means there will be another team looking for players/looking to be filled. If you're interested you can contact me at this address, or just turn up on Saturday. Short notice, I know, but you just can't control when the little flu bug(ger)s are going to hit! Laura P From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Jan 15 13:18:09 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id NAA00336 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 13:16:32 GMT Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (daffodil [137.205.192.30]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA00317 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 13:16:28 GMT Received: from muck.dcs.ed.ac.uk (muck.dcs.ed.ac.uk [129.215.160.15]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA09772 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 13:16:27 GMT Received: from camps.dcs.ed.ac.uk (pde@camps.dcs.ed.ac.uk [129.215.199.121]) by muck.dcs.ed.ac.uk with ESMTP id NAA26836 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 13:16:25 GMT Received: from localhost (pde@localhost) by camps.dcs.ed.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA05194 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 13:16:25 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: camps.dcs.ed.ac.uk: pde owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 13:16:24 +0000 (GMT) From: Paul Eastman Reply-To: Paul Eastman To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Northern Student Indoor Qualifiers Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi, It appears that I may have missed a few teams out on my initial invitation. Again I appolagise for this. If any body from strathclyde, Sterling or York, Manchester can contact either myself, Jim (jamesmcd@srv0.bio.ed.ac.uk), or Adam (a.r.milner@bute.ed.ac.uk) and tell us if you are still around and or wish to play. Thanks alot. Paul Eastman Secretary Ro Sham Bo (Edinburgh Student Ultimate). From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Jan 15 13:40:54 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id NAA05276 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 13:39:20 GMT Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (daffodil [137.205.192.30]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA05264 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 13:39:18 GMT Received: from mercury.king.ac.uk (mercury.king.ac.uk [141.241.4.24]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA11602 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 13:39:17 GMT Received: from neptune.kingston.ac.uk (actually host neptune.king.ac.uk) by mercury.king.ac.uk with SMTP (MMTA 2) with ESMTP; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 13:33:30 +0000 Received: from NEPTUNE/SpoolDir by neptune.kingston.ac.uk (Mercury 1.43); 15 Jan 99 13:33:30 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by NEPTUNE (Mercury 1.43); 15 Jan 99 13:23:42 +0000 From: Natasha Lekka Organization: Kingston University To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 13:23:39 GMT +0100 Subject: Colin Smith's email- screwed X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v3.01d) Message-ID: <39A2A4F24FE@neptune.kingston.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk I'm experiencing some rather large and annoying problems with my email, and it may be some time until I'm able to use it again. Until further notice, please send any messages to me at this address. k984331@kingston.ac.uk If you've mailed me in the last 24 hours about Masters at Worlds or Tournaments for Kniggets, please, please, please could you forward any copy you have of it to this address, otherwise I'm going to be a bit lost. Sorry to bother anyone who doesn't care two hoots about me or Masters. Cheers Colin From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Jan 15 14:10:03 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id OAA11891 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 14:08:19 GMT Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (daffodil [137.205.192.30]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA11881 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 14:08:17 GMT Received: from mail.kcl.ac.uk (mail.kcl.ac.uk [137.73.66.6]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA14125 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 14:08:16 GMT Received: from phpcf0.ph.kcl.ac.uk (phpcf0.ph.kcl.ac.uk [137.73.4.150]) by mail.kcl.ac.uk (8.9.2/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA25393; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 14:01:19 GMT From: Spud To: Natasha Lekka cc: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Re: Colin Smith's email- screwed Message-ID: Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 14:07:34 +0000 () X-Mailer: Simeon for Win32 Version 4.0.9 X-Authentication: none MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk hi tash stil going out with that geriatric old bald bastard good luck Spud ---------------------- Love Spud timothy.surry@kcl.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Jan 15 14:43:59 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id OAA18293 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 14:42:33 GMT Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (snowdrop [137.205.192.31]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA18284 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 14:42:30 GMT Received: from exchpk02.chelt.ac.uk (exchpk02.chelt.ac.uk [194.66.194.6]) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA04127 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 14:42:30 GMT Received: by exchpk02.chelt.ac.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 14:42:11 -0000 Message-ID: <8102C4585310D211858D0060B01A41330A3A73@exchpk02.chelt.ac.uk> From: "HUGHES, Chris" To: "'Britdisc'" Subject: Newport Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 14:42:08 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk To all of you not doing anything this weekend. As you may have gathered the Newport tournament is being blighted by various flu bugs from different teams. Any one interested in playing should just turn up to the tournament as soon as possible. There is likely to be a pick team. If anyone out there has a full team they can bring along then ring ASAP on either (01242) 543299 or (01452) 380529 Cheers, Chris From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Jan 15 16:43:59 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id QAA14131 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 16:42:17 GMT Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (snowdrop [137.205.192.31]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA14124 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 16:42:13 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA18668 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 16:42:12 GMT Received: from [158.152.139.88] (helo=london1.eulergroup.com) by post.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 101CJy-0002ab-00; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 16:42:10 +0000 Received: by LONDON1 with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 15:42:48 -0000 Message-ID: <3FEEBE10F61BD2119B0100805FB7A2E41EB292@LONSEX02> From: "Wagstaff, Colin [euler:eti-lon]" To: "'UTI'" , "'Britdisc'" , "'Alex Bowers'" , "'Alex Wall'" , "'Douglas Milne'" , "'Erin Primas'" , "'Giles Deshon'" , "'Jolyon Thompson'" , "'Karl Mann'" , "'Paul Anderson'" , "'Pete Harvey'" , "'Roger Thomson'" , "'simon.hill@actix.co.uk'" , "'Wayne Retter work'" , "'Wayne Retter'" Subject: UTI Practice tomorrow!! Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 15:42:34 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Sorry to those who this does not effect but we need to contact as many people as possible. Bad news guys! I have just had a phone call from Southgate Hockey Centre (Trent Park). The pitches there are waterlogged and unfit for play. In comes plan B. After discussions with Dave Trovell we are going move the practice to Regents Park. Start time is till 10:30 am. The location is next to the Zoo where First Touch usually practice. Any problems call me on my mobile 07957 445 989 or Dave at home on 0181 800 2479. See you all tomorrow. Col. UTI. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Jan 15 17:04:12 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id RAA17733 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 17:02:38 GMT Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (snowdrop [137.205.192.31]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA17725 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 17:02:36 GMT Received: from exchpk02.chelt.ac.uk (exchpk02.chelt.ac.uk [194.66.194.6]) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA20001 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 17:02:35 GMT Received: by exchpk02.chelt.ac.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 17:02:20 -0000 Message-ID: <8102C4585310D211858D0060B01A41330A3A77@exchpk02.chelt.ac.uk> From: "HUGHES, Chris" To: "'Britdisc'" Subject: Newport Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 17:02:18 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Don't go to UTI practice tomorrow, instead come to Newport, where the only wet whether you will have to cope with is in the swimming pool. Which will be warm, and won't freeze your balls off. Chris (Newport TD) (Looking for people who don't have the flu) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Jan 15 19:50:05 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id TAA08619 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 19:48:42 GMT Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (daffodil [137.205.192.30]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA08613 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 19:48:41 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA15456 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 19:48:39 GMT Received: from [194.222.44.236] (helo=phoenix4.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 101FES-0005tm-00 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 19:48:36 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 19:47:20 +0000 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: Tim Blair Subject: Fingers 6 contacts MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Trial Version 3.04 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi there, Can someone from Fingers 6 please mail me at tjb7@aber.ac.uk urgently, 'cos I've been trying to get hold of someone for ages... Ta. -- Tim Blair Clwb Ultimate Mwnci See (Aberystwyth) http://www.aber.ac.uk/~club14 From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sun Jan 17 21:45:09 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id VAA09520 for britdisc-outgoing; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 21:43:54 GMT Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (snowdrop [137.205.192.31]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA09513 for ; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 21:43:53 GMT Received: from mail-gw1.webleicester.net (mailgate.webleicester.co.uk [195.146.160.12]) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA26266 for ; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 21:43:52 GMT Received: from pii266 (pool-pri2-053.webleicester.co.uk [195.146.164.53]) by mail-gw1.webleicester.net (8.9.1/8.9.0) with SMTP id VAA12331; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 21:39:15 GMT Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 21:50:40 -0000 Message-ID: <01BE4263.6CB74C20.bravil@webleicester.co.uk> From: Ben Ravilious Reply-To: "bravil@webleicester.co.uk" To: "'LEICESTER ULTIMATE LISTBOT'" , "'BRITDISC'" Subject: 1999 Leicester Ultimate Practices Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 21:49:02 -0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk ***Attention midlanders, others please ignore/delete>*** 1999 Leicester Ultimate Practices Here are details of practice sessions for the first half of 1999. We are pleased to announce the booking of a new city centre indoor venue which will end the weekly trek to Countesthorpe. If you've not been for a while why not come along on a Wednesday or Sunday? Wednesdays 8-9:30pm Cannons Health Club, University Road. (indoor) Cost: ?3 (Red members ?2*) This new practice is open to all but we would particularly like to encourage less experienced players to attend. The new sports hall is superb and given the length of the booking we can give everyone time to play at their own level. Please be ready to play by 8pm Thursdays 7-9pm Nelson Mandela Park (outdoor - floodlit) Cost: ?1 This is a more serious session primarily for players who will be participating in the 1999 BUF Tour. Please try to be punctual and be prepared to play whatever the weather! Sundays 2-4pm Victoria Park (outdoor) Cost: Free. The traditional Sunday afternoon free-for-all running alongside the Jester's session. If you need more details call Ben on 0116 2559638, alternatively just come along to one of the sessions. *Full club membership for 1999 is ?30 but is not mandatory for any of these sessions. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sun Jan 17 22:41:47 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id WAA14215 for britdisc-outgoing; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 22:40:39 GMT Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (snowdrop [137.205.192.31]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA14210 for ; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 22:40:38 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA29075 for ; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 22:40:37 GMT Received: from [158.152.248.177] (helo=phidelta.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 1020rz-0007HZ-00; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 22:40:36 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 22:39:17 +0000 To: BritDisc Cc: Fluid Druids Mailing List , Merrick Cardew From: "Fluid Druids Ultimate Team (Wayne Retter)" Subject: Newport Indoors 1999 - Results MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (32) Trial Version 3.05 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk In traditional reverse order: 16 University of West England (Bristol) 15 No Frills (Cardiff) 14 Slipdisc (Birmingham) 13 Fingers 6 (Manchester) 12 Playthings (London) 11 Wild Stallions (assorted) 10 Far Queue (*) PLATE WINNERS First Touch (London) 08 Whiplash (ex-Warwick) 07 I'll have a D, please Bob 1 (GB Junior-ish) 06 I'll have a D, please Bob 2 (GB Junior-ish) 05 Headrush (Bristol) 04 Look at Me! (ex-Southampton) 03 Mr Men (ex-Southampton) 02 Blue Arse Flies (Gloucestershire-ish) TROPHY WINNERS Fluid Druids (assorted) MVP of Final: Karl Mann (Fluid Druids) SPIRIT OF THE GAME: Whiplash (*) The majority of the original Far Queue team were struck down by 'flu in the week before the tournament. The team that actually played was a Warwick based team assembled on Friday night. Many thanks to them for their ability to field a team at such short notice. Lost + Found: apart from the Winners Trophy (last seen heading out of the door in 1998 in the hands of an anonymous UTI player) the Lost list is large and various, but the Found list is small - First Touch, a Druid will bring the t-shirt and shorts along on Saturday; Patch, you can collect your shirts on Saturday; UWE and No Frills, we have one disc each clearly labelled; One other pink UltraStar... I expect that a full listing of all the game results will be available on the web somewhere, at somepoint, and we'll hopefully manage to put a reasnable tournament report together in the near future (volunteers?). Fluid Druids ................................................ : FLUID DRUIDS : : theultimatefrisbeeteam : : druid@dreamer.demon.co.uk : : http://www.dreamer.demon.co.uk/druids/ : :..............................................: From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Jan 18 09:10:27 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id JAA18335 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 09:09:14 GMT Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (snowdrop [137.205.192.31]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA18329 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 09:09:12 GMT Received: from gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (gem [137.205.227.1]) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA17667 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 09:09:11 GMT Received: (from serai@localhost) by gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id HAA08509 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 07:47:02 GMT Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 07:47:02 GMT From: Dave Neilson Message-Id: <199901180747.HAA08509@gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: BUF Events Reminder Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk British Ultimate Federation Disc Events Diary --------------------------------------------- The events list can also be found at http://www.dcs.warwick.ac.uk/~ralf/bfdf/ ---------- Saturday 23rd January 1999 BDGA Golf: 1st Essex Challenge Cup (1 day) @ Elthorne Park London [Golf] Contact The Bongos Email paul.knutton@easynet.co.uk Saturday 30th January 1999 Mythago Tourny (2 days) @ Whitchurch Sports Centre, Bristol [Indoor Ultimate] Please send any applications with contact address and cheque made payable to "U.B.U.F.C." Contact Chris Hebert Email ch5400@bristol.ac.uk Phone 0117 973 4983 (until 11/12/98) Contact James Rodgers Address 26 Cromwell Road St. Andrews Bristol BS6 5HB Email jr7706@bris.ac.uk Saturday 6th February 1999 Student Indoor Northern Qualifiers (2 days) @ Edinburgh [Students' Indoor Ultimate] Contact James Spicer Email j.a.spicer@sms.ed.ac.uk Saturday 13th February 1999 Warwick Indoors (2 days) [Indoor Ultimate] Contact Mike Clements (Percy) Email ecumu@csv.warwick.ac.uk URL http://www.csv.warwick.ac.uk/~suaaz/ Women's Indoor Nationals (2 days) @ The University of Leeds [Women's Indoor Ultimate] Contact Rachel Jacobs Email lec6rej@leeds.ac.uk Phone 0113 224 2891 Saturday 27th February 1999 National Student Indoors (2 days) @ Leeds [Students' Indoor Ultimate] TD Jon Chewins Email bgy6jgc@South-02.novell.leeds.ac.uk Saturday 6th March 1999 Indoor Regionals (2 days) [Indoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Address 81 Bittern Avenue Abbeydale Gloucester GL4 4WG Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Phone 01242 543299 (work) 01452 380529 (home) Saturday 13th March 1999 BDGA Golf - A tier tournament (2 days) @ Essex University, Colchester [Golf] Contact Andy Lucey Phone 0181 7676766 Indoor Regionals (2 days) [Indoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Address 81 Bittern Avenue Abbeydale Gloucester GL4 4WG Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Phone 01242 543299 (work) 01452 380529 (home) Saturday 20th March 1999 Indoor Nationals (2 days) [Indoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Address 81 Bittern Avenue Abbeydale Gloucester GL4 4WG Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Phone 01242 543299 (work) 01452 380529 (home) Saturday 27th March 1999 BDGA Golf: Bristol Spring Fling (2 days) @ Ashton Court, Bristol [Golf] Contact Bud Tilton Phone 0117 9268055 Red Outdoors (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Leicester Ultimate Club (Red) Address PO Box 1075 Leicester LE2 1YQ Email red@ultimateweb.co.uk Phone 0116 2559638 (Ben Ravilious) Saturday 10th April 1999 BDGA Golf: Quarry Park Matchplay (2 days) @ Quarry Park, Leamington [Golf] Contact Derek Robins Email D.J.Robins@admin.warwick.ac.uk Tour I (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Address 81 Bittern Avenue Abbeydale Gloucester GL4 4WG Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Phone 01242 543299 (work) 01452 380529 (home) Saturday 17th April 1999 Dublin Outdoors (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Peter Bennison Email pbennison@sepro.ie Saturday 1st May 1999 BDGA Golf: Scottish Open - A tier tournament (2 days) @ Isle of Mull, Scotland [Golf] Contact Guy Bolton Phone 01688 500249 Brugge: "7th International Tournament" (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate Abroad] Please reply before February 15th to one of the contacts. 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(Max 32 teams) More details will be issued as and when available. Contact Nolan Taylor Address BritOpen 99 Admin Office 3 Wish Road Eastbourne East Sussex BN21 4NX Email open99@daletaylor.co.uk Fax 01323 430223 Phone 01323 430700 URL http://www.tradeworld.co.uk/open99/ Saturday 18th September 1999 BDGA Golf - A tier tournament (2 days) @ Burnlaw [Golf] Contact Oran Villiers-Stuart Email villiers-stuart@lineone.net Saturday 25th September 1999 Nationals (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Address 81 Bittern Avenue Abbeydale Gloucester GL4 4WG Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Phone 01242 543299 (work) 01452 380529 (home) Saturday 9th October 1999 BDGA Golf: Doubles Matchplay (2 days) @ Ashton Court, Bristol [Golf] Contact Bud Tilton Phone 0117 9268055 Saturday 6th November 1999 BDGA Golf: Singles Matchplay (2 days) @ Quarry Park, Leamington (TBC) [Golf] Contact Andy Lucey Phone 0181 7676766 ---------------------------------------------------------- British Ultimate Federation Disc Events Diary http://www.dcs.warwick.ac.uk/~ralf/bfdf/ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Jan 18 12:10:34 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA27679 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 12:02:40 GMT Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (daffodil [137.205.192.30]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA27617 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 12:02:27 GMT From: sally.riggs@ac.com Received: from nbrmr1002.ac.com (NBRMR1002.ac.com [170.252.248.71]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA10305 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 12:02:23 GMT Received: from emehm1101.ac.com ([170.252.192.148]) by nbrmr1002.ac.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id FAA09926 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 05:54:47 -0600 (CST) Received: by emehm1101.ac.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.2 (693.3 8-11-1998)) id 862566FD.0041DE31 ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 05:59:27 -0600 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ANDERSEN CONSULTING To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Message-ID: <862566FD.0041B3B9.00@emehm1101.ac.com> Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 11:22:08 +0000 Subject: Calling Aberystwyth...... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk A funcky Ultimate Player has moved into your area for four nights / week and is keen to keep up her disc skills. She is an experienced player and often plays with Superfly. You can contact Kate on 01743 270262 or via me on the above e-mail Cheers Sally n n n n From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Jan 18 13:25:05 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id NAA20466 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 13:23:39 GMT Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (snowdrop [137.205.192.31]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA20455 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 13:23:36 GMT Received: from avalon.netcom.net.uk (avalon.netcom.net.uk [194.42.225.7]) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA19534 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 13:23:36 GMT Received: from bfv.co.uk (dialup-12-16.netcomuk.co.uk [194.42.231.16]) by avalon.netcom.net.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA14067 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 13:23:34 GMT Received: from backup [10.0.1.200] by bfv.co.uk [127.0.0.1] with SMTP () for ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 13:10:38 +0000 Message-ID: <001201be42e4$7e711730$c801000a@backup> From: "John Devine" To: Subject: Re: Calling Aberystwyth...... Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 13:14:35 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk X-Return-Path: john.devine@bfv.co.uk Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Please take bfv.co.uk off your mailing list Thank you -----Original Message----- From: sally.riggs@ac.com To: Date: Monday, January 18, 1999 12:17 PM Subject: Calling Aberystwyth...... >A funcky Ultimate Player has moved into your area for four nights / week >and is keen to keep up her disc skills. She is an experienced player and >often plays with Superfly. > >You can contact Kate on 01743 270262 or via me on the above e-mail > >Cheers > >Sally > > n n n n > From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Jan 18 20:18:04 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id UAA06892 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 20:12:46 GMT Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (snowdrop [137.205.192.31]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA06887 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 20:12:44 GMT Received: from gatekeeper.kpmg.co.uk (gatekeeper.kpmg.co.uk [158.177.32.1]) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id UAA23928 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 20:12:44 GMT Received: by gatekeeper.kpmg.co.uk; id UAA11470; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 20:10:02 GMT Received: from ccgate.kpmg.co.uk(158.174.24.70) by gatekeeper.kpmg.co.uk via smap (4.1) id xma011380; Mon, 18 Jan 99 20:09:39 GMT Received: from ccMail by kpmg_ima_1.kpmg.co.uk (IMA Internet Exchange 3.0 Enterprise) id 001E0919; Mon, 18 Jan 99 20:12:25 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 19:25:32 +0000 Message-ID: <001E0919.CE21438@kpmg.co.uk> From: Colin.Eagles@kpmg.co.uk (Colin Eagles) Subject: Provision of game discs To: Britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk This is not meant to initiate a host of e-mails, but I would be interested to know the response of the appropriate person/people at the BUF to the following: Are there any plans to ensure that there is a supply of quality game discs at some, or preferably all tournaments endorsed by the BUF? It often appears difficult to have a constant supply of game discs at tournaments. I sympathise and agree unreservedly with the reluctance of players to allow the few decent discs that they have to be used in tournament games, give the possibility that this disc may become damaged or mislaid during the course of the event. I believe there was a discussion of this nature on Britdisc last year, which is why I am would not expect a large number of discussive replies, but I would like to know if the following suggestion would be consider viable by those people on the BUF committee that could make a decision on the matter: Would it be possible for the BUF to obtain a supply of game discs, marked as such and printed with the BUF logo, that the organisers of tournaments would be able to purchase at cost, in order to guarantee quality discs for all games? I imagine this cost would be passed on to the competitors as a small increase in the tournament fee. Is it likely that this increase in cost would be accepted in order prevent players going home from a tournaments with fewer discs, just because they allowed there disc to be used for games? Correct me if I am wrong, but in every ball sport I have played it has been the responsibility of the host of any event to provide players with balls of sufficient quality so that this does not become a hinderance to competitive play. I look forward to hearing your views Colin First Touch/Wyld Stallyns Email Disclaimer The information in this email is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this email by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful. When addressed to our clients any opinions or advice contained in this email are subject to the terms and conditions expressed in the governing KPMG client engagement letter. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Jan 19 14:48:43 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id NAA17533 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 13:35:19 GMT Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (snowdrop [137.205.192.31]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA17481 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 13:35:02 GMT Received: from mps1.leeds.ac.uk (mps1.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.16.8]) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA02076 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 13:02:35 GMT Received: from south-02.novell.leeds.ac.uk (south-02.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.76.2]) by mps1.leeds.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA11957 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 13:02:30 GMT Received: from LUCS-H12/SpoolDir by south-02.novell.leeds.ac.uk (Mercury 1.43); 19 Jan 99 13:02:11 GMT0BST Received: from SpoolDir by LUCS-H12 (Mercury 1.43); 19 Jan 99 13:02:00 GMT0BST From: "J.Chewins" Organization: University of Leeds To: Britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 13:01:50 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Contacts for Student Indoors X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.54) Message-ID: <100F8C20757@south-02.novell.leeds.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Please could the tournament directors of the Midland and Southern regions Student Indoors please send me the contact addresses for the top 4 teams, along with their finishing positions. Thanks very much Chewy 11 (4) Royal Park road Leeds LS6 1JJ 0113 2242629 From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Jan 19 18:57:50 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id SAA18492 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 18:55:21 GMT Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (snowdrop [137.205.192.31]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA18470 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 18:55:17 GMT From: Wayne_Retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk Received: from smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk (smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk [62.172.72.68]) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id SAA25964 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 18:55:16 GMT Received: from ccMail by smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk (IMA Internet Exchange 3.01 Enterprise) id 00008D00; Tue, 19 Jan 99 18:55:05 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 18:53:51 +0000 Message-ID: <00008D00.CE21337@watsonwyatt.co.uk> Subject: GB Open Mailing List To: BritDisc Cc: GB Open Mailing List , UTI Mailing List , Simon Hill , Fluid Druids Mailing List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk For those who missed it the first time around, there's now a mailing list available for the discussion of the management, structure and aims of the GB Open squad. The theory is to provide a forum for all concerned individuals to be able to present their views, and be able to receive all the replies (rather than getting knocked off someone's "reply to" list), and without clogging BritDisc (which would also miss people...) Membership so far: Colin Wagstaff (UTI) Simon Weeks (Chevron Action Flash) Jeff Jackson (Chevron Action Flash) Simon Moore (HeadRush) Richie Smart Karl Mann (Fluid Druids) Wayne Retter (Fluid Druids) To subscribe, send a message to gbopen-subscribe@egroups.com or go to the e-group's home page at http://www.egroups.com/list/gbopen If that doesn't give you any joy, email me direct and I'll add you to the list Regards Wayne Retter From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Jan 19 23:58:00 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id XAA21982 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 23:56:58 GMT Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (daffodil [137.205.192.30]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA21919 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 23:56:50 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA13455 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 23:56:49 GMT Received: from [194.222.121.62] (helo=cepheid.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 102l0f-0002s8-00 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 23:56:38 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 23:52:58 +0000 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: "Steven J. Bridle" Subject: delete from mailing list MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Version 3.03a Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Please delete lurker@cepheid.demon.co.uk from britdisk many thanks -- Steven J. Bridle From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Jan 20 10:14:33 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA04633 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 10:13:32 GMT Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (daffodil [137.205.192.30]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA04619 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 10:13:30 GMT Received: from mailhost.dircon.co.uk (mailhost.dircon.co.uk [194.112.32.65]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA26307 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 10:13:29 GMT Received: from [194.112.54.155] (th-en136-155.pool.dircon.co.uk [194.112.54.155]) by mailhost.dircon.co.uk (8.9.1/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA28046; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 10:13:12 GMT Subject: Re: GB Open Mailing List Message-Id: <000000543172999671771@daletaylor.co.uk> From: nolan@daletaylor.co.uk (Nolan Taylor, Dale Taylor Ltd) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 10:09:31 +0000 Organization: Dale Taylor Ltd X-Mailer: CommuniGate 2.9.8 Reply-To: nolan@daletaylor.co.uk (Nolan Taylor, Dale Taylor Ltd) To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk (BritDisc), Wayne_Retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk Cc: fluiddruids@egroups.com (Fluid Druids Mailing List), gbopen@egroups.com (GB Open Mailing List), simon.hill@actix.co.uk (Simon Hill), undertheinfluence@egroups.com (UTI Mailing List) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk On Tue, Jan 19, 1999, 6:53:51 pm GMT Wayne_Retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk wrote: >For those who missed it the first time around, there's now a mailing list >available for the discussion of the management, structure and aims of the GB >Open squad. > >The theory is to provide a forum for all concerned individuals to be able to >present their views, and be able to receive all the replies (rather than >getting >knocked off someone's "reply to" list), and without clogging BritDisc (which >would also miss people...) > >Membership so far: > Colin Wagstaff (UTI) Hang on a second here... This one assumes is the same travelphobic Colin Wagstaff who made rather an ass of himself, regarding Aberystwyth and the 99 tour. So can we expect such motions as 'Practices to be held round at Colin's house' to be tabled in this proposed forum? N --------------------------------------- Nolan Taylor Dale Taylor Ltd Email: nolan@daletaylor.co.uk Tel: 01323 430700 Fax: 01323 430223 --------------------------------------- From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Jan 20 10:51:02 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA12064 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 10:50:23 GMT Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (snowdrop [137.205.192.31]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA12054 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 10:50:20 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA01453 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 10:50:19 GMT Received: from [158.152.139.88] (helo=london1.eulergroup.com) by post.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 102vDE-0001lM-00; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 10:50:16 +0000 Received: by LONDON1 with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 10:17:51 -0000 Message-ID: <3FEEBE10F61BD2119B0100805FB7A2E41EB2CA@LONSEX02> From: "Wagstaff, Colin [euler:eti-lon]" To: "'nolan@daletaylor.co.uk'" , britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk, Wayne_Retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk Cc: fluiddruids@egroups.com, gbopen@egroups.com, simon.hill@actix.co.uk, undertheinfluence@egroups.com Subject: RE: [undertheinfluence] Re: GB Open Mailing List Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 10:18:20 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Nolan wrote, Hang on a second here... This one assumes is the same travelphobic Colin Wagstaff who made rather an ass of himself, regarding Aberystwyth and the 99 tour. So can we expect such motions as 'Practices to be held round at Colin's house' to be tabled in this proposed forum? UTI practices are regularly held in Trent Park, the entrance of which is approximately 200 yds from my front door. Coincidentally, it was also the venue chosen for the 2 day GB practices last season. Col, UTI. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Jan 20 11:08:13 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id LAA17099 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 11:07:08 GMT Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (daffodil [137.205.192.30]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA17079 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 11:07:04 GMT Received: from maggiore.dsnet.it (maggiore.dsnet.it [195.250.233.15]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA05969 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 11:07:02 GMT Received: (qmail 8253 invoked from network); 20 Jan 1999 11:06:57 -0000 Received: from pppdin138.dsnet.it (HELO mailbox.dsnet.it) (195.250.230.138) by maggiore.dsnet.it with SMTP; 20 Jan 1999 11:06:57 -0000 Message-ID: <36A5B821.BB17588A@mailbox.dsnet.it> Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 12:04:01 +0100 From: Peldi X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc To: BritDisc , "EuroDisc@ira.uka.de" Subject: RFC: Ultimate-related Mailing Lists Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi ultimate community. Just a quick question. I noticed a lot of teams and city leagues have their own mailing list. How useful do you think it would be to list them all in Ultilinks? Personally, I'm not sure: if you start playing with a team, someone will tell you of the existence of a team's mailing list. If you are looking for a particular team (or league), you can find their web page (or email address) on Ultilinks. It wouldn't be too much of a hassle for me to add a mailing list section to Ultilinks, so you guys tell me if you want it. Please reply to me only, at peldi@ultilinks.com Ciao, Peldi PS.Ultilinks lists 683 links worldwide today. I keep adding 3 or 4 every day. Will you guys ever stop popping out those new cool pages? ;-) ---------------------------------------- Ultilinks, the Ultimate Starting Point: http://www.ultilinks.com/ WUCC99 Official Web Site: http://www.ultilinks.com/wucc99/ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Jan 20 11:23:08 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id LAA19991 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 11:17:27 GMT Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (snowdrop [137.205.192.31]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA19899 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 11:17:08 GMT Received: from framestore.sohonet.co.uk (framestore1.sohonet.co.uk [193.203.80.44]) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA03745 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 11:17:02 GMT Received: (from smap@localhost) by framestore.sohonet.co.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id LAA14628 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 11:16:49 GMT Received: from london.fs.local( 192.168.2.150) by framestore.sohonet.co.uk via smap (V2.0) id xma014622; Wed, 20 Jan 99 11:16:31 GMT Received: from framestore.co.uk (engpc2.fs.local [192.168.1.23]) by london.fs.local (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id AAA2A0C; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 11:16:28 +0000 Message-ID: <36A5BBC3.DDD71449@framestore.co.uk> Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 11:19:31 +0000 From: "Sean Holden" Organization: framestore X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Wagstaff, Colin [euler:eti-lon]" CC: "'nolan@daletaylor.co.uk'" , britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk, Wayne_Retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk, fluiddruids@egroups.com, gbopen@egroups.com, simon.hill@actix.co.uk, undertheinfluence@egroups.com Subject: Re: [undertheinfluence] Re: GB Open Mailing List References: <3FEEBE10F61BD2119B0100805FB7A2E41EB2CA@LONSEX02> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk I didn't know that park benches had front doors???? Sean Wagstaff, Colin [euler:eti-lon] wrote: > > > UTI practices are regularly held in Trent Park, the entrance of which is > approximately 200 yds from my front door. Coincidentally, it was also the > venue chosen for the 2 day GB practices last season. > > Col, > UTI. > From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Jan 20 12:57:19 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA14685 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 12:55:37 GMT Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (daffodil [137.205.192.30]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA14670 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 12:55:34 GMT Received: from dirc.bris.ac.uk (dirc.bris.ac.uk [137.222.10.51]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA24751 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 12:55:33 GMT Received: from sis.bris.ac.uk by dirc.bris.ac.uk with SMTP-PRIV (PP) with ESMTP; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 12:55:24 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sis.bris.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA10422; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 12:53:33 GMT Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 12:53:33 +0000 (GMT) From: J Rodgers To: Ben Ravilious cc: "'BRITDISC'" Subject: Important: Mythago Tournament In-Reply-To: <01BE4263.6CB74C20.bravil@webleicester.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Here is a list of all the teams currently entered in the tournament. Please could a representative from each team send me an email to confirm that they will be turning up Jan 30th and 31st. Important: I need to get in contact urgently with Laura Lafave playing for Slow White and Charlie playing for G-nome(?). Please could they contact me or if anyone knows how I can contact them please let me know as well. Thanks. James. 1. Mohawks 2. Stanton Drew 3. Nightfever1 4. Nightfever2 5. Slow White 6. K-niggets 7. Phat'eads 8. Charlie's team - G-nome? 9. Picnic1 10. Picnic2 11. Red Rum? 12. Rob Cole's team 13. Whiplash 14. Skunks 15. UWE 16. No Frills 1 17. No Frills 2 18. Mythago1 19. Mythago2 20. Mythago3 1st reserve: Blue Arse Flies From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Jan 20 13:09:01 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id NAA17383 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 13:08:19 GMT Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (snowdrop [137.205.192.31]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA17358 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 13:08:15 GMT From: Clifford_Bottomley@cargill.com Received: from charon.cargill.com (charon.cargill.com [167.136.225.225]) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA12843 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 13:08:13 GMT Received: from hermes.cargill.com (hermes.cargill.com [167.136.226.140]) by charon.cargill.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA11640 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 07:08:12 -0600 (CST) Received: from cobo.cgo.cargill.com (cobo.cgo.cargill.com [172.31.1.51]) by hermes.cargill.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA26692 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 07:08:11 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by cobo.cgo.cargill.com (AIX4.2/UCB 8.7/8.7) with SMTP id NAA20854 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 13:08:10 GMT X-OpenMail-Hops: 1 Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 13:08:07 +0000 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Subject: Mythago Tournament: Pick Up MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline; filename="Important:" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk I am looking to Pick up at the Mythago Tournie, any offers greatly appreciated. Cliff (LURKERS) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Jan 20 15:33:45 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id PAA19348 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 15:32:54 GMT Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (snowdrop [137.205.192.31]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA19334 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 15:32:51 GMT Received: from exchpk02.chelt.ac.uk (exchpk02.chelt.ac.uk [194.66.194.6]) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA26632 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 15:32:50 GMT Received: by exchpk02.chelt.ac.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 15:32:36 -0000 Message-ID: <8102C4585310D211858D0060B01A41330A3A7D@exchpk02.chelt.ac.uk> From: "HUGHES, Chris" To: "'Colin.Eagles@kpmg.co.uk'" , Britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: RE: Provision of game discs Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 15:32:35 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk A start was made at this by a number of tour tournaments and Indoor regionals / Nationals. This year I would expect that all the indoor regionals and Nationals to have a supply of Game discs for obvious reasons. The tour last year, and again I expect it to continue, will probably provide each team with a disc rather than game discs. People inevitably pick up / throw away / walk off / put in bag, game discs that are provided. That makes it un-viable. But if each team gets a brand new disc - with their name already on it then each game should have two new good quality discs arriving, and teams will also be responsible for their disc. And you get to take it home with you if you look after it. Chris -----Original Message----- From: Colin.Eagles@kpmg.co.uk [SMTP:Colin.Eagles@kpmg.co.uk] Sent: 18 January 1999 19:26 To: Britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Provision of game discs This is not meant to initiate a host of e-mails, but I would be interested to know the response of the appropriate person/people at the BUF to the following: Are there any plans to ensure that there is a supply of quality game discs at some, or preferably all tournaments endorsed by the BUF? It often appears difficult to have a constant supply of game discs at tournaments. I sympathise and agree unreservedly with the reluctance of players to allow the few decent discs that they have to be used in tournament games, give the possibility that this disc may become damaged or mislaid during the course of the event. I believe there was a discussion of this nature on Britdisc last year, which is why I am would not expect a large number of discussive replies, but I would like to know if the following suggestion would be consider viable by those people on the BUF committee that could make a decision on the matter: Would it be possible for the BUF to obtain a supply of game discs, marked as such and printed with the BUF logo, that the organisers of tournaments would be able to purchase at cost, in order to guarantee quality discs for all games? I imagine this cost would be passed on to the competitors as a small increase in the tournament fee. Is it likely that this increase in cost would be accepted in order prevent players going home from a tournaments with fewer discs, just because they allowed there disc to be used for games? Correct me if I am wrong, but in every ball sport I have played it has been the responsibility of the host of any event to provide players with balls of sufficient quality so that this does not become a hinderance to competitive play. I look forward to hearing your views Colin First Touch/Wyld Stallyns Email Disclaimer The information in this email is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this email by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful. When addressed to our clients any opinions or advice contained in this email are subject to the terms and conditions expressed in the governing KPMG client engagement letter. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Jan 20 15:46:51 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id PAA21973 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 15:46:18 GMT Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (daffodil [137.205.192.30]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA21956 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 15:46:16 GMT Received: from pp2.shef.ac.uk (pp2.shef.ac.uk [143.167.1.32]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA18664 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 15:46:15 GMT Received: from [143.167.79.249] (helo=pebley.shef.ac.uk) by pp2.shef.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.02 #5) id 102zpW-0005Pu-01 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 15:46:06 +0000 Received: from PEBLEY/SpoolDir by pebley.shef.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); 20 Jan 99 15:46:06 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by PEBLEY (Mercury 1.43); 20 Jan 99 15:45:54 +0000 From: "Si Weeks" To: "'BRITDISC'" Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 15:45:46 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Important: Mythago Tournament X-mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.31 Message-ID: <4B869C64DC4@pebley.shef.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk I suspect you will be hearing from the Phat 'Eds secretary (Pete Coy), but in case not... Would it be possible to drop out and let BAF have our place? I assume we would get our full money back, if a team was found to replace us? Thanks, Si Weeks Phat 'Eds (et al.) -------------------------- 74 commonside sheffield s10 1gg 0114 266 2304 From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Jan 21 16:29:55 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id QAA01349 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 16:28:06 GMT Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (daffodil [137.205.192.30]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA01337 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 16:28:01 GMT Received: from ultra2.aber.ac.uk (ultra2.aber.ac.uk [144.124.16.18]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA21107 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 16:27:58 GMT Received: from pcslam.dcs.aber.ac.uk ([193.60.15.158] helo=pcslam) by ultra2.aber.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.01 #4) for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk id 103MxW-00031G-00; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 16:27:54 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990121162759.00917b00@pophost.aber.ac.uk> X-Sender: tjb7@pophost.aber.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 16:27:59 +0000 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: Captain Flubber Subject: Any Mythago pick up places? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Just wondering if anyone fancies myself and another picking up with them in Bristol next weekend? Any offers greatly appreciated.. Ta. Tim. -- Tim Blair (a.k.a. Captain Flubber) Clwb Ultimate Mwnci See, Aberystwyth http://www.aber.ac.uk/~club14/ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Jan 22 00:31:21 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id AAA08690 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 00:29:57 GMT Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (snowdrop [137.205.192.31]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA08685 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 00:29:55 GMT Received: from mail15.svr.pol.co.uk (mail15.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.25]) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA01743 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 00:29:55 GMT Received: from modem-105.osmium.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.37.233] helo=irenefirmedow88.freeserve.co.uk) by mail15.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 103UTw-0005qC-00 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 00:29:53 +0000 Message-ID: <000b01be459d$33037840$e925883e@irenefirmedow88.freeserve.co.uk> From: "Darth Maul" To: Subject: Any Disc's Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 00:21:37 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0008_01BE459D.2CB9AAE0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01BE459D.2CB9AAE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Is there anyone out there that has any disc's for sale, for mine is = forever lost on the roof of our sports hall (big rick's fault). If yes = please reply to this message and will sort somthing out. Ceya you at = Warwick touny next month.. Cheers..James..Fingers 6.. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01BE459D.2CB9AAE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0008_01BE459D.2CB9AAE0-- From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Jan 22 08:49:40 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id IAA04038 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 08:48:24 GMT Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (snowdrop [137.205.192.31]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA04030 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 08:48:22 GMT Received: from kants003.borealisgroup.com (kafrw001.nsp.be [193.121.97.14]) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA16466 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 08:48:19 GMT Message-Id: <199901220848.IAA16466@snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Received: by KANTS003 with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 09:46:49 +0100 From: "Johansson, Henrik" To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: RE: Any Disc's Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 09:48:00 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id IAA04033 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hello, Try to visit http://www.incanto.se/eurodisc/ The page are in Swedish but if You look for Per Adolffsons e-mail adress. He is the contact person on eurodisc. Send a mail to him and ask him for the price. Most Kind Regards Henrik SFC ---------- From: Darth Maul To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Any Disc's Date: den 22 January 1999 01:21 Is there anyone out there that has any disc's for sale, for mine is forever lost on the roof of our sports hall (big rick's fault).  If yes please reply to this message and will sort somthing out. Ceya you at Warwick touny next month.. Cheers..James..Fingers 6.. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Jan 22 09:55:30 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id JAA13188 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 09:54:26 GMT Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (daffodil [137.205.192.30]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA13176 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 09:54:23 GMT Received: from admin.warwick.ac.uk (sigma [137.205.249.1]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA24847 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 09:54:22 GMT Received: from SIGMA/SpoolDir by admin.warwick.ac.uk (Mercury 1.40); 22 Jan 99 09:54:22 GMT+0000 Received: from SpoolDir by SIGMA (Mercury 1.40); 22 Jan 99 09:54:03 GMT+0000 From: "Derek Robins" Organization: University of Warwick, CV4 7AL, UK To: britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 09:54:01 +0000 (GMT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Golf Discs Message-ID: <8AE92345451@admin.warwick.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Del's Disc Store ... is now fully stocked for the new year with over 500 golf discs in stock. 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For details of disc golf in Britain look at the BDGA web site www.ultimateweb.co.uk/bdga/ or for more up to date info look at the Bongos web site at easyweb.easynet.co.uk/~paul.knutton/discgolf1/ Del *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*- Derek Robins | | D.J.Robins@admin.warwick.ac.uk Finance Office | | Tel 01203 522710 University of Warwick | | Fax 01203 572645 Coventry CV4 7AL | | Home 01926 864136 *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*- From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Jan 22 10:02:12 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA14646 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 10:01:40 GMT Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (snowdrop [137.205.192.31]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA14641 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 10:01:38 GMT Received: from hotmail.com (f257.hotmail.com [207.82.251.148]) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA22855 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 10:01:36 GMT Received: (qmail 14667 invoked by uid 0); 22 Jan 1999 10:01:33 -0000 Message-ID: <19990122100133.14666.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 134.36.2.202 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 02:01:31 PST X-Originating-IP: [134.36.2.202] From: "Jester Bit" To: Darth@maul99.freeserve.co.uk, britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Great disc's for sale Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 02:01:31 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk ***PRINT OUT AND KEEP FOR REFFERENCE*** >Is there anyone out there that has any disc's for sale, for mine is >forever lost on the roof of our sports hall Any clubs thinking of buying discs for the new year should give Miles a call at Wind Things in Edinburgh. He sponsors some Ultimate clubs inc the Shooting Stars and is likely to give you a good deal. He can also advise on hot stamping you own discs. Miles Ford Wind Things 11 Cowgatehead Grassmarket Edinburgh EH1 1JY Tel/Fax 0131 662 7032 Please, if you call, mention me or Dundee Shooting Stars. Ta. 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He sponsors some Ultimate clubs >inc the Shooting Stars and is likely to give you a good deal. He can >also advise on hot stamping you own discs. for teams considering 'personalised' discs, the aforementioned hot stamping details can also be obtained from the Discraft website at www.discraft.com Wayne Retter From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Jan 25 07:48:56 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id HAA27354 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 07:47:06 GMT Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (snowdrop [137.205.192.31]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA27347 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 07:47:03 GMT Received: from gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (gem [137.205.227.1]) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA23109 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 07:47:03 GMT Received: (from serai@localhost) by gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id HAA16914 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 07:47:02 GMT Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 07:47:02 GMT From: Dave Neilson Message-Id: <199901250747.HAA16914@gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: BUF Events Reminder Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk British Ultimate Federation Disc Events Diary --------------------------------------------- The events list can also be found at http://www.dcs.warwick.ac.uk/~ralf/bfdf/ ---------- Saturday 30th January 1999 Mythago Tourny (2 days) @ Whitchurch Sports Centre, Bristol [Indoor Ultimate] Please send any applications with contact address and cheque made payable to "U.B.U.F.C." Contact Chris Hebert Email ch5400@bristol.ac.uk Phone 0117 973 4983 (until 11/12/98) Contact James Rodgers Address 26 Cromwell Road St. Andrews Bristol BS6 5HB Email jr7706@bris.ac.uk Saturday 6th February 1999 Student Indoor Northern Qualifiers (2 days) @ Edinburgh [Students' Indoor Ultimate] Contact James Spicer Email j.a.spicer@sms.ed.ac.uk Saturday 13th February 1999 Warwick Indoors (2 days) [Indoor Ultimate] Contact Mike Clements (Percy) Email ecumu@csv.warwick.ac.uk URL http://www.csv.warwick.ac.uk/~suaaz/ Women's Indoor Nationals (2 days) @ The University of Leeds [Women's Indoor Ultimate] Contact Rachel Jacobs Email lec6rej@leeds.ac.uk Phone 0113 224 2891 Saturday 27th February 1999 National Student Indoors (2 days) @ Leeds [Students' Indoor Ultimate] TD Jon Chewins Email bgy6jgc@South-02.novell.leeds.ac.uk Saturday 6th March 1999 Indoor Regionals (2 days) [Indoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Address 81 Bittern Avenue Abbeydale Gloucester GL4 4WG Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Phone 01242 543299 (work) 01452 380529 (home) Saturday 13th March 1999 BDGA Golf - A tier tournament (2 days) @ Essex University, Colchester [Golf] Contact Andy Lucey Phone 0181 7676766 Indoor Regionals (2 days) [Indoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Address 81 Bittern Avenue Abbeydale Gloucester GL4 4WG Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Phone 01242 543299 (work) 01452 380529 (home) Saturday 20th March 1999 Indoor Nationals (2 days) [Indoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Address 81 Bittern Avenue Abbeydale Gloucester GL4 4WG Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Phone 01242 543299 (work) 01452 380529 (home) Saturday 27th March 1999 BDGA Golf: Bristol Spring Fling (2 days) @ Ashton Court, Bristol [Golf] Contact Bud Tilton Phone 0117 9268055 Red Outdoors (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Leicester Ultimate Club (Red) Address PO Box 1075 Leicester LE2 1YQ Email red@ultimateweb.co.uk Phone 0116 2559638 (Ben Ravilious) Saturday 10th April 1999 BDGA Golf: Quarry Park Matchplay (2 days) @ Quarry Park, Leamington [Golf] Contact Derek Robins Email D.J.Robins@admin.warwick.ac.uk Tour I (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Address 81 Bittern Avenue Abbeydale Gloucester GL4 4WG Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Phone 01242 543299 (work) 01452 380529 (home) Saturday 17th April 1999 Dublin Outdoors (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Peter Bennison Email pbennison@sepro.ie Saturday 1st May 1999 BDGA Golf: Scottish Open - A tier tournament (2 days) @ Isle of Mull, Scotland [Golf] Contact Guy Bolton Phone 01688 500249 Student Outdoors (2 days) @ Bakewell, Derbyshire [Students' Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Simon Weeks Address 74 Commonside Sheffeild S10 1GG Email gga95sew@sheffield.ac.uk Phone 0114 266 2304 Brugge: "7th International Tournament" (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate Abroad] Please reply before February 15th to one of the contacts. Contact Glenn Nolf Address Viaduktstraat 6 B8000 Brugge Email Glenn@km.be Fax + 32 59 552780 Phone + 32 50 311705 URL http://www.brugge.com/freezzzbeezzz/ Contact Jan Loontiens Address Zwagershullestraat 7 B9881 Bellem Fax + 32 9 3728614 Phone + 32 9 3750695 Saturday 8th May 1999 Tour II (2 days) @ Sheffield [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Address 81 Bittern Avenue Abbeydale Gloucester GL4 4WG Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Phone 01242 543299 (work) 01452 380529 (home) Thursday 13th May 1999 Rotterdam (4 days) TBC [Outdoor Ultimate Abroad] Saturday 22nd May 1999 BDGA Golf - B tier tournament (2 days) @ Hayling Island [Golf] Contact Dan Massey Email dmassey@westsussex.gov.uk Saturday 5th June 1999 Tour III (2 days) @ Edinburgh [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Address 81 Bittern Avenue Abbeydale Gloucester GL4 4WG Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Phone 01242 543299 (work) 01452 380529 (home) Saturday 12th June 1999 BDGA Golf - A tier tournament (2 days) @ Quarry Park, Leamington [Golf] Contact Derek Robins Email D.J.Robins@admin.warwick.ac.uk Fiesta (2 days) TBC [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Andrew Orr-Ewing Email A.Orr-Ewing@bristol.ac.uk Phone (0117) 9287672 Saturday 26th June 1999 BDGA Golf - B tier tournament (2 days) @ Ashton Court, Bristol [Golf] Contact Bud Tilton Phone 0117 9268055 Tour IV (2 days) @ Southampton [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Address 81 Bittern Avenue Abbeydale Gloucester GL4 4WG Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Phone 01242 543299 (work) 01452 380529 (home) Saturday 17th July 1999 Tour V (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Address 81 Bittern Avenue Abbeydale Gloucester GL4 4WG Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Phone 01242 543299 (work) 01452 380529 (home) Saturday 24th July 1999 BDGA Golf: British Open - A tier tournament (2 days) @ Whitcombe Farm, Dorset [Golf] Contact Toby Green Email toby.green@ibm.net Ross on Wye (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 7th August 1999 Worlds (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate Abroad] Saturday 14th August 1999 Worlds (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate Abroad] Saturday 28th August 1999 BDGA Golf - B tier tournament (2 days) @ TBA, Scotland [Golf] Contact Liam Young Email liamyoung@bigfoot.com Lurkers Tournie (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Clifford Bottomley Email Clifford_Bottomley@Cargill.com Phone 07775 197169 Thursday 9th September 1999 The British Open Championships 1999 (4 days) @ Saffrons, Eastbourne [Outdoor Ultimate] There will be eight pitches in 99! (Max 32 teams) More details will be issued as and when available. Contact Nolan Taylor Address BritOpen 99 Admin Office 3 Wish Road Eastbourne East Sussex BN21 4NX Email open99@daletaylor.co.uk Fax 01323 430223 Phone 01323 430700 URL http://www.tradeworld.co.uk/open99/ Saturday 18th September 1999 BDGA Golf - A tier tournament (2 days) @ Burnlaw [Golf] Contact Oran Villiers-Stuart Email villiers-stuart@lineone.net Saturday 25th September 1999 Nationals (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Address 81 Bittern Avenue Abbeydale Gloucester GL4 4WG Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Phone 01242 543299 (work) 01452 380529 (home) Saturday 9th October 1999 BDGA Golf: Doubles Matchplay (2 days) @ Ashton Court, Bristol [Golf] Contact Bud Tilton Phone 0117 9268055 Saturday 6th November 1999 BDGA Golf: Singles Matchplay (2 days) @ Quarry Park, Leamington (TBC) [Golf] Contact Andy Lucey Phone 0181 7676766 ---------------------------------------------------------- British Ultimate Federation Disc Events Diary http://www.dcs.warwick.ac.uk/~ralf/bfdf/ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Jan 25 10:50:49 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA04278 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 10:49:23 GMT Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (daffodil [137.205.192.30]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA04253 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 10:49:17 GMT Received: from ultra2.aber.ac.uk (ultra2.aber.ac.uk [144.124.16.18]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA07798 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 10:49:15 GMT Received: from pcedcd.dph.aber.ac.uk ([144.124.48.164] helo=aber.ac.uk) by ultra2.aber.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.01 #4) for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk id 104jZy-0002om-00; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 10:49:14 +0000 Message-ID: <36ACBCB7.22DA8479@aber.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 10:49:27 -0800 From: Dinesh Narayan Organization: The Integrated Sensors Research Group X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 [en] (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Britdisc Subject: Warwick Bear's indoor tournament Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hello all!! I would be grateful if you could let me know if invitations have gone out for the Warwick Bears indoor tournament on February 13th. Mwnci See would like to send two teams to this event but so far we haven't been able to find out any details. How much does it cost to enter? Is this tournament open to any team or do the hosts select the teams participating in this event? Thanks in advance for your help, yours faithfully, D.J Narayan Mwnci See Ultimate From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Jan 25 11:54:49 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id LAA19518 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 11:53:03 GMT Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (daffodil [137.205.192.30]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA19497 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 11:52:57 GMT Received: from pp2.shef.ac.uk (pp2.shef.ac.uk [143.167.1.32]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA14617 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 11:52:56 GMT Received: from [143.167.79.249] (helo=pebley.shef.ac.uk) by pp2.shef.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.02 #5) id 104kZa-0000HR-02; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 11:52:55 +0000 Received: from PEBLEY/SpoolDir by pebley.shef.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); 25 Jan 99 11:52:54 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by PEBLEY (Mercury 1.43); 25 Jan 99 11:52:49 +0000 From: "Si Weeks" To: "'BRITDISC'" Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 11:52:39 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Important: Mythago Tournament CC: poa96pjc@sheffield.ac.uk, chughes@chelt.ac.uk X-mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.31 Message-ID: <52C8DD76FC7@pebley.shef.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hello Mythago, Cc: Pete (Phat 'eds secretary), Chris H. (BAF) As you probably know Blue Arse Flies are willing to take our place at Bristol. Therefore I have suggested that Chris sends a cheque straight to us and then you don't have to mess around sending cheques. Thanks, Si Weeks. P.S. Chris - Could you make the cheque payable to 'Pete Coy' and not 'The Union' as I said before. Cheers. -------------------------- 74 commonside sheffield s10 1gg 0114 266 2304 From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Jan 25 12:29:47 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA28462 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 12:27:51 GMT Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (daffodil [137.205.192.30]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA28447 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 12:27:48 GMT Received: from pp2.shef.ac.uk (pp2.shef.ac.uk [143.167.1.32]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA19534 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 12:27:47 GMT Received: from [143.167.127.253] (helo=blackmoor.shef.ac.uk) by pp2.shef.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.02 #5) id 104l7J-0001TU-02 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 12:27:46 +0000 Received: from BLACKMOOR/SpoolDir by blackmoor.shef.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); 25 Jan 99 12:27:46 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by BLACKMOOR (Mercury 1.43); 25 Jan 99 12:27:41 +0000 From: "pete" To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 12:27:36 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Pick up X-mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.31 Message-ID: <45848D1DBC@blackmoor.shef.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi, Pete here (Phat'Eds), as I'am without team, is anyone looking to pick up for Bristol indoors this weekend? you can contact me at this address untill wednesday, thereafter you can contact me at: Coy@cix.co.uk Cheers. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Jan 25 14:01:12 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id NAA21199 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 13:59:02 GMT Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (snowdrop [137.205.192.31]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA21155 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 13:58:57 GMT Received: from hotmail.com (law-f101.hotmail.com [209.185.131.164]) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA25472 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 13:58:48 GMT Received: (qmail 26947 invoked by uid 0); 25 Jan 1999 13:58:43 -0000 Message-ID: <19990125135843.26946.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 194.83.240.4 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 05:58:42 PST X-Originating-IP: [194.83.240.4] From: "Colin Smith" To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Kniggets contact Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 05:58:42 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Colin Smith is now back on email at this address for the time being. Therefore any messages for Kniggets, or re Masters at Worlds should come to this address, and not to Natasha Lekka. Many thanks Colin Smith Sickboy Kniggets Ultimate (Kingston University) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Jan 25 15:01:00 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id OAA06371 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 14:59:06 GMT Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (snowdrop [137.205.192.31]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA06361 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 14:59:04 GMT Received: from mps1.leeds.ac.uk (mps1.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.16.8]) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA00593 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 14:59:03 GMT Received: from south-02.novell.leeds.ac.uk (south-02.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.76.2]) by mps1.leeds.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA13219 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 14:59:01 GMT Received: from LUCS-H12/SpoolDir by south-02.novell.leeds.ac.uk (Mercury 1.43); 25 Jan 99 14:58:41 GMT0BST Received: from SpoolDir by LUCS-H12 (Mercury 1.43); 25 Jan 99 14:58:31 GMT0BST From: "J.Chewins" Organization: University of Leeds To: Britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 14:58:13 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Student Indoor Invites X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.54) Message-ID: <192EE8E4C40@south-02.novell.leeds.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk The invites will be going out this week. Here is the list of qualifying teams that i have recieved. Please E mail me ASAP if it is incorrect: Midlands: Jesters Bears Purple Haze Phat Eds South West: Ow! Mythago No Frills Mythago 2 South East: Skunks Strange Blue Alien Nation (eligability dispute still going on??) Imperial North: TBA Cheers Chewy From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Jan 25 18:28:17 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id SAA26976 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 18:26:49 GMT Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (daffodil [137.205.192.30]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA26967 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 18:26:47 GMT Received: from dirc.bris.ac.uk (dirc.bris.ac.uk [137.222.10.51]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id SAA18420 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 18:26:46 GMT Received: from sis.bris.ac.uk by dirc.bris.ac.uk with SMTP-PRIV (PP) with ESMTP; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 18:26:33 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sis.bris.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA23934; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 18:25:17 GMT Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 18:25:17 +0000 (GMT) From: J Rodgers To: Dave Neilson cc: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Mythago Tournament In-Reply-To: <199901250747.HAA16914@gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk The new line up after a few changes is now: 1.Mohawks 2.Stanton Drew 3. Nightfever1 4. Nightfever2 5. Slow White 6. K-Niggets 7. Blue Arse Flies 8. G-Nomes 9. Picnic 1 10. Picnic 2 11. Look at Me 12. Rob Cole's Team 13. Whiplash 14. UWE 15. Skunks 16. No Frills 1 17. No Frills 2 18. Mythago1 19. Mythago2 20. Mythago3 Additional INFO: There will be a Captains Meeting at 9:00 at Whitchurch Sports Centre. Game Time pitch1 pitch2 1 9:20 Stanton Drew,K-Niggets BAF,UWE 2 9:34 G-Nomes,NightF2 Slow White,Pic2 3 9:48 Rob Cole,NoFr2 Myth1,myth3 4 10:02 Lookatme,Mohawks Nightf1,Whiplash 5 10:16 Pic1, Myth2 Skunks, No Frills1 For the student teams entered we should have enough floor space to accommodate them for the night. Thanks. James. UBUFC Secretary. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Jan 25 23:03:52 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id XAA05350 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 23:03:02 GMT Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (daffodil [137.205.192.30]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA05332 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 23:03:00 GMT Received: from mailc.surrey.ac.uk (mailc.surrey.ac.uk [131.227.100.12]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id XAA08683 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 23:02:59 GMT Received: from default (actually host annex1-3.surrey.ac.uk) by mailc.surrey.ac.uk with SMTP-external (PP); Mon, 25 Jan 1999 23:02:52 +0000 Reply-To: cs81bm From: Ben McCormack To: britdisc Subject: Ultimate in Guildford Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 23:08:15 -0000 Message-ID: <000201be48b7$9694c5e0$0d85e383@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hello all, I am in the process of starting a Uni. Team at the University of Surrey in Guildford and I have a few questions for you all. 1) What is the best way to introduce Ultimate to 20 people who have never played but who are interested (we will be using the sports hall for 1 hour). I have been playing for about 5 years on and off. 2) Is there anyone in the area that would be interested in playing / training with a team in the area? As far as I know I am the only person who has played before at the Uni. So experienced players would be great. 3) Where can I but 10 discs by the end of next week (I would really like Ultra-Stars) and how much are they going to cost? 4) Any other advice from anyone who has started a student team before, I have already looked at the articles on the web? 5) What details are there of the Southern Student Ultimate league? (Who do I contact for details?) I hope that I will see some of you at a tournament in the near future. Thanks very much Ben McCormack From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Jan 26 09:44:38 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id JAA17804 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 09:42:17 GMT Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (snowdrop [137.205.192.31]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA17793 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 09:42:15 GMT Received: from muck.dcs.ed.ac.uk (muck.dcs.ed.ac.uk [129.215.160.15] (may be forged)) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA29888 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 09:42:15 GMT Received: from irvine.dcs.ed.ac.uk (pde@irvine.dcs.ed.ac.uk [129.215.199.137]) by muck.dcs.ed.ac.uk with ESMTP id JAA14824 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 09:42:14 GMT Received: from localhost (pde@localhost) by irvine.dcs.ed.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA28079 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 09:42:13 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: irvine.dcs.ed.ac.uk: pde owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 09:42:13 +0000 (GMT) From: Paul Eastman Reply-To: Paul Eastman To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Northern Student Qualifiers Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk NORTHERN STUDENT INDOOR QUALIFIERS ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ REMINDER Entry Fees (80.00GBP) MUST be in by the end of this week. If you are unable to do this then you must contact some one and let us know what the situation is. Extra places for teams wishing to enter more than on team will be decided on a first come first serve basis on Friday. Money recived from: Far Flung Resivoir Fish Petrolium Northern Lights Jedi Thanks, Paul Eastman Secretary Ro-Sham-Bo. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Jan 26 17:01:58 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id RAA04496 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 17:00:15 GMT Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (daffodil [137.205.192.30]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA04478 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 17:00:13 GMT Received: from hotmail.com (f214.hotmail.com [207.82.251.105]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id RAA07888 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 17:00:02 GMT Received: (qmail 14209 invoked by uid 0); 26 Jan 1999 16:59:58 -0000 Message-ID: <19990126165958.14206.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 134.36.142.32 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 08:59:57 PST X-Originating-IP: [134.36.142.32] From: "Jester Bit" To: cs81bm@surrey.ac.uk Cc: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Re: Ultimate in Guildford (discs for sale) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 08:59:57 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_7c030e99_61192cd7$29630860" Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk ------=_NextPart_000_7c030e99_61192cd7$29630860 Content-Type: text/plain Ben McCormack wrote: >3 Where can I but 10 discs by the end of next week (I would really >like Ultra-Stars) and how much are they going to cost? For all your Disc needs give Miles Ford a call at: Windthings 11 Cowgatehead Grassmarket Edinburgh EH1 1JY T/F 0131 622 7032 He also does Kites, Juggling, Yoyos and is a very nice bloke who likes student Ultimate. Please quote 'Jester told me' or 'Dundee Ultimate Shooting Stars' if you call him. 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romeo.ic.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 105C7x-0006uP-00; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 17:18:13 +0000 Received: from icex6.cc.ic.ac.uk ([155.198.3.6]) by oban.cc.ic.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk id 105C7w-00002m-00; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 17:18:12 +0000 Received: by icex6.cc.ic.ac.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 17:18:12 -0000 Message-ID: <773CDF6F1D26D211B0B300A0C9D85B264B2591@icex6.cc.ic.ac.uk> From: "Cherry, Nathaniel" To: "'britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk'" Subject: Warwick Indoors Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 17:18:07 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk I've been trying to get hold of someone from Warwick, please could someone send me details of their indoor tournament on 13 & 14 Feb. We would like to enter one team but would need to know the cost so that we can inform our players. This is presuming that you still have places available. Thanks very much, Nat Cherry Secretary Imperial College Ultimate From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Jan 26 19:04:19 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id TAA27254 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 19:03:18 GMT Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (snowdrop [137.205.192.31]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA27247 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 19:03:16 GMT Received: from rhenium.btinternet.com (rhenium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.93]) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id TAA03614 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 19:03:15 GMT Received: from btinternet.com [62.172.63.140] by rhenium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 1.70 #1) id 105DlU-0006NX-00; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 19:03:09 +0000 Message-ID: To: "'Britdisc'" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mark Jefferson Subject: Twenty-four hour ultimathon Date: Tue, 26 Jan 99 19:04:50 GMT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id TAA27248 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk I don't think the Bears will mind me posting this - Congratulations should be extended to the Warwick Bears for their recent twenty-four hour charity ultimate ordeal. I was stupid enough to be around for the night-shift and was hugely impressed by the standard of committment given by everyone in what can only be described as an insane undertaking. All proceeds will go to the Midlands Sports Centre for the Disabled, a long-standing beneficiary of Warwick Sports Fed. charity events, and - I'm sure you'll all agree - a very worthy cause. It's not too late to make a donation - write to club president, Percy: ecumu@csv.warwick.ac.uk Give generously, as the saying goes..... Mark Jefferson Whiplash 14 Troutbeck Peartree Bridge Milton Keynes MK6 3ED 01908 666573 Mark.JJ@btinternet.com From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Jan 26 19:41:05 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id TAA02647 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 19:38:35 GMT Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (daffodil [137.205.192.30]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA02641 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 19:38:32 GMT Received: from iraun1.ira.uka.de (iraun1.ira.uka.de [129.13.10.90]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id TAA26599 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 19:38:31 GMT Received: from i02mac181.ira.uka.de [129.13.2.181] by iraun1 with SMTP (PP) local; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 20:38:29 +0100 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Organisation: Faculty of Informatics, University of Karlsruhe Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 20:40:20 +0100 To: BritDisc Mailing List From: Thomas Griesbaum Subject: pick up from abroad Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk I assume someone on BritDisc will be able to send some information to Alden. Regards, Thomas -------------------------------------------------- I am a Colorado, USA ultimate player with five years of US club experience who will be visiting the London area from Feb 12 to Mar 1. I would appreciate any information regarding where and when I can play some Ultimate with y'all. I'll bring my cleats. Alden Baker aldenbaker@hotmail.com From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Jan 27 23:57:32 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id XAA06299 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 23:54:15 GMT Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (daffodil [137.205.192.30]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA06288 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 23:54:13 GMT Received: from mailc.surrey.ac.uk (mailc.surrey.ac.uk [131.227.100.12]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id XAA12246 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 23:54:12 GMT Received: from default (actually host annex1-15.surrey.ac.uk) by mailc.surrey.ac.uk with SMTP-external (PP); Wed, 27 Jan 1999 23:53:59 +0000 Reply-To: cs81bm From: Ben McCormack To: Britdisc Subject: Ultimate in Guildford - Thanks + Info Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 23:59:24 -0000 Message-ID: <001001be4a51$10c05880$1585e383@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hello All, Thanks for all of the positive advice that I have received from all of you, it has been a great help. I am now starting a team at the University of Surrey based in Guildford and we have practice times worked out We have 2 practice times Sundays 12.00pm - 2.00pm (Starting 7th Feb) Indoor Ultimate sessions at University of Surrey - Guildford. Thursdays 1.00pm - 2.00pm (Starting 11th Feb) Outdoor Ultimate sessions at University of Surrey - Guildford. Anyone is welcome along to play with us whenever they can make it, the only cost is about #1 for the indoor sessions and the outdoor are free. So if you are in the area then do drop in for a game. I do not have any idea how many players will be there though hopefully lots before long If you have any questions then please phone me on 07971 480526 or e-mail me anytime. =============================== Ben McCormack University of Surrey Ultimate =============================== From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Jan 28 08:10:36 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id IAA02681 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 08:09:22 GMT Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (daffodil [137.205.192.30]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA02676 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 08:09:20 GMT From: Clifford_Bottomley@cargill.com Received: from charon.cargill.com (charon.cargill.com [167.136.225.225]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA29309 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 08:09:19 GMT Received: from hermes.cargill.com (hermes.cargill.com [167.136.226.140]) by charon.cargill.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA25525 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 02:09:18 -0600 (CST) Received: from cobo.cgo.cargill.com (cobo.cgo.cargill.com [172.31.1.51]) by hermes.cargill.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA15103 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 02:09:17 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by cobo.cgo.cargill.com (AIX4.2/UCB 8.7/8.7) with SMTP id IAA32500 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 08:09:16 GMT X-OpenMail-Hops: 1 Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 08:09:07 +0000 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <001001be4a51$10c05880$1585e383@default> Subject: MYTHAGO PICK UP MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline; filename="Ultimate" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Is anyone short of players for this weekend. I am looking to Pick up, please reply by email to this address or by phone on 0777-5917169. cheers Cliff From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Jan 28 09:59:05 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id JAA15302 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 09:57:18 GMT Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (snowdrop [137.205.192.31]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA15289 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 09:57:15 GMT Received: from hillend.cent.gla.ac.uk (hillend.cent.gla.ac.uk [130.209.16.102]) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA16221 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 09:57:14 GMT Received: from studentsw.cent.gla.ac.uk ([130.209.13.104] helo=lms.student.gla.ac.uk) by hillend.cent.gla.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #7) for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk id 105oCG-0001A6-02; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 09:57:12 +0000 Received: from STUDENT_SW/SpoolDir by lms.student.gla.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); 28 Jan 99 09:57:16 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by STUDENT_SW (Mercury 1.40); 28 Jan 99 09:57:10 +0000 From: "Ed Coates" <9705060c@student.gla.ac.uk> Organization: Glasgow University To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 09:57:05 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Pickup at Mythago.... X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v3.01b) Message-ID: <5E16F915E76@lms.student.gla.ac.uk> X-X-Confirm-Reading-To: "Ed Coates" <9705060c@student.gla.ac.uk> (SUPPRESSED at gla.ac.uk) Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi everyone! I'd like to play at Bristol this weekend - if you need a pick up please get back to me at either this address or on 0141 946 3422. Cheers Ed ______________________________________________________________ Ed Coates Captain of Far Flung, Ultimate at Glasgow University Flat 2b 5 Ruchill St Glasgow G20 9RJ 0141 946 3422 'I will not play frisbee with the princiapl's toupee.' Bart Simpson From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Jan 28 13:30:37 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id NAA00365 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 13:28:28 GMT Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (daffodil [137.205.192.30]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA00352 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 13:28:25 GMT Received: from kestrel.mcg.gla.ac.uk (kestrel.mcg.gla.ac.uk [130.209.192.8]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA11199 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 13:28:24 GMT Received: from mcg1.mcg.gla.ac.uk (mcg1.mcg.gla.ac.uk [130.209.192.26]) by kestrel.mcg.gla.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA16914 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 13:22:55 GMT Received: from MCG1/SpoolDir by mcg1.mcg.gla.ac.uk (Mercury 1.40); 28 Jan 99 13:28:27 +1100 Received: from SpoolDir by MCG1 (Mercury 1.40); 28 Jan 99 13:28:17 +1100 From: "David Grayson" Organization: Multimedia Communications Group To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 13:28:16 gmt+1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Warwick X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.40) Message-ID: <91E561216AC@mcg1.mcg.gla.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk We have also wanted to sedn a team to Warwick - whats going on? Please send me any information anyone has. Cheers, Dave. Mud Culture. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Jan 28 19:54:37 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id TAA23212 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 19:53:23 GMT Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (snowdrop [137.205.192.31]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA23157 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 19:53:07 GMT Received: from relay01.esat.net (relay01.esat.net [192.111.39.11]) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA13119 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 19:53:05 GMT Received: from (sepro.ie) [193.120.132.131] by relay01.esat.net with smtp id 105xUt-0003bX-00; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 19:53:03 +0000 Received: from sepro_pbenn [192.168.1.171] by sepro.ie [192.168.1.2] with SMTP (MDaemon.v2.7.SP3.R) for ; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 14:36:39 +0000 From: "Peter Bennison" To: "Britdisc" , "EuroDisc" Subject: Dublin Outdoors Ulitmate Tournament April 17th-18th, 1999 Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 14:39:42 -0000 Message-ID: <000001be4acc$0aa48310$ab01a8c0@sepro_pbenn> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Reply-To: pbennison@sepro.ie Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk 4th Dublin Open Ultimate Frisbee Tournament (Outdoors) April 17th/18th 1999 Hello and welcome to the fourth Dublin Tournament, this is your invitation to take part in what has proved to be an enjoyable and successful tournament over the past three years. Entries from both teams and individuals are welcome. The cost is (Irish) 60 punts (76.92307692308 Euros) to enter a team, or 5 punts per individual. - If necessary consider this as an invoice and we will give you a receipt. If you are writing cheques please address them to the 'Irish Flying Disc Association' but as long as you confirm that you are coming then you can pay on arrival. We'd appreciate being paid in Irish pounds. Location Trinity College's Santry Playing Fields just off the Airport Road. It's outdoors, lush green fields, even a few rabbits, and with the milder climate of Ireland temperatures at that time of year are usually 5 -10 degrees¡ warmer than the UK. Date - Saturday & Sunday April 17 & 18 This is after the clocks change so there will be an extra hour of daylight, and perhaps more importantly the beginning of the later summer drinking hours in all Irish pubs. Tournament Format 3 Irish teams and hopefully another 12 from overseas, but no teams will be turned away. There will be leagues on the first day and the finals on the Sunday. The Craic This, as they say, has been mighty over the past three years, with a samba band and a world music 9-piece female accapella band supplying the entertainment. We will be organizing something similar this year, but rest assured, the party should be as kicking as ever. Accommodation Over the past three years, the majority have stayed in the cheap and cheerful hostels in town. Prices range from 6 - 8 punts, 14 punts for B&B's, and 50 punts for Jury's hotel if you really feel like splashing out. We're also happy to put up as many people as we can - but if you're thinking of doing this give us some notice. For information about hostels look in the Lonely Planet Guide to Ireland, it has all the phone numbers, faxes etc. We also have a list of hostels and B&B's from last year, which we can send you, if you need it. Be advised that Dublin can be quite busy at weekends, so book early. The two main hostels we recommend are as follows: Issac's Hostel 2 Frenchman's Lane +353 1 874 9321 Jacob's Inn 21 Talbot Place +353 1 855 5660 Transportation Ryanair have some exceptional deals on right now : 20 punts one way from Dublin to London (as well as Paris and Brussels) but, understandably, there is limited availability. Aer Lingus have a two for 99 punts return as well. So, it pays to book early. OK, so that's your invite if you're coming let us know, and any questions feel free to e mail or phone. More details (including web site) to follow. Contacts Tournament Organisers : Peter +353 1 822 3314 e-mail : pbennison@sepro.ie Simon (more contact details for him later) Irish Flying Disc Association - for entry cheques 2 Ferndale, Huntstown Glen Clonsilla Dublin 15 Ireland Pookas - Dublin Ultimate From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Jan 29 11:01:35 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA13373 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 10:59:32 GMT Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (snowdrop [137.205.192.31]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA13365 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 10:59:30 GMT Received: from beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk (beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.129.138]) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA27719 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 10:59:29 GMT Received: from cedar.sucs.soton.ac.uk (cedar.sucs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.128.92]) by beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.8/relay-02) with ESMTP id KAA24973 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 10:59:27 GMT Received: from soton.ac.uk (moe.aero.soton.ac.uk [152.78.240.163]) by cedar.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.8/relay-02) with ESMTP id KAA26502 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 10:49:55 GMT Message-ID: <36B19471.566DE598@soton.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 10:58:57 +0000 From: Paul Schuricht X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.5 sun4m) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: BritDisc Mailing List Subject: Bristol directions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi, can someone please email me the directions to the bristol tourney. cheers Sonic From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Jan 29 11:13:31 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id LAA16399 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 11:12:10 GMT Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (daffodil [137.205.192.30]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA16394 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 11:12:09 GMT Received: from arthur.selector.org (arthur.selector.org [212.240.124.210]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA28097 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 11:12:08 GMT Received: by arthur.selector.org; id LAA12042; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 11:04:52 GMT Received: from unknown(10.51.1.50) by arthur.selector.org via smap (4.1) id xma011947; Fri, 29 Jan 99 11:03:59 GMT Received: by EURMAILHUB with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 11:09:04 -0000 Message-ID: From: "Ziants, Wayne" To: "'Britdisc'" Subject: Lift offered to Bristol Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 11:10:09 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Anyone who's not been organised enough to sort out transport from London to Bristol can give me a call. I'll be driving from Crystal Palace through south and west London at the crack of dawn (7am?). Email me, or at call me at work, before 5.30 on 0171 298 3365. (Anyone who knows where to go exactly gets priority.) Cheers Wayne ex-Fingers; Picnic for the weekend From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Jan 29 13:22:08 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id NAA15847 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 13:18:17 GMT Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (daffodil [137.205.192.30]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA15839 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 13:18:13 GMT From: Clifford_Bottomley@cargill.com Received: from charon.cargill.com (charon.cargill.com [167.136.225.225]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA09606 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 13:18:11 GMT Received: from hermes.cargill.com (hermes.cargill.com [167.136.226.140]) by charon.cargill.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA08918 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 07:16:49 -0600 (CST) Received: from cobo.cgo.cargill.com (cobo.cgo.cargill.com [172.31.1.51]) by hermes.cargill.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA11719 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 07:16:48 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by cobo.cgo.cargill.com (AIX4.2/UCB 8.7/8.7) with SMTP id NAA17974 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 13:16:47 GMT X-OpenMail-Hops: 1 Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 13:16:35 +0000 Message-Id: Subject: Re: MYTHAGO PICK UP MIME-Version: 1.0 TO: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="openmail-part-0cede44d-00000001" Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk --openmail-part-0cede44d-00000001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline; filename="Re:" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit These are the directions I have received. here are directions I sent to another player. Hope they are okay, if you have a Bristol A-Z its on page 84 section 3/4B Location Whitchurch Sports Centre, Bamfield Road. M4 from London take Junction 19 (M32) to Bristol follow the M32 to the end it becomes Newfoundland St. you will arive at a major T-Junction, turn left and folow signs to Bath (A4). You are now on the inner ring road (Temple Way). Keep following signs to Bath (A4) and you will go past Bristol Temple Meads Railway Station. You will arrive at a roundabout just beyond the station, take the first major exit (straight on) signposted Bath A4 and Wells A37. Get into the right hand laneand follow signs to Wells, you will have to fork right about 200 yards after the roundabout (this is traffic light controlled). Go up the hill and down the other side. At the bottom of the hillthere is a cross roads where the A37 crosses the Bristol outer ring road (A4174). Turn right on to the ring road prob signposted Airport. Follow the road until you come to a large roundabout. Take the first exit (Whitchurch Lane) go straight over the small roundabout. Turn left onto Bamfield road, Whitchurch Sports centre will be on your left. --openmail-part-0cede44d-00000001 Content-Type: application/x-openmail-1166 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable FROM: ian#f#stebbing/cobo-unix-mime////////RFC-822/ian#f#stebbing#a#uk#f= #pwcglobal#f#com@cobo TO: Bottomley_Clifford/cobo@cobo --openmail-part-0cede44d-00000001-- From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Jan 29 14:10:17 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id OAA27018 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 14:09:00 GMT Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (daffodil [137.205.192.30]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA27010 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 14:08:59 GMT Received: from crane.cf.ac.uk (crane.cf.ac.uk [131.251.0.45]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA13939 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 14:08:58 GMT Received: from HUMSCF2S.CF.AC.UK by crane.cf.ac.uk with SMTP-LOC (PP); Fri, 29 Jan 1999 14:08:50 +0000 Received: from HUMSCF2S/SpoolDir by HUMSCF2S.CF.AC.UK (Mercury 1.43); 29 Jan 99 14:08:50 GMT0BST Received: from SpoolDir by HUMSCF2S (Mercury 1.43); 29 Jan 99 14:08:25 GMT0BST From: DAVID BARNARD To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 14:08:19 GMT0BST Subject: Student nationals X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.54) Message-ID: <582436036C4@HUMSCF2S.CF.AC.UK> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk There was some doubt over the eligability of alien nation for nationals. There was no reason for this and they are eligable to play. Appologies to the player concerned. Therefore can chewy (If you have not already done so) send an invite for nationals to Alien Nation. Dave (22) Student co-ordinator From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sat Jan 30 21:07:15 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id VAA20583 for britdisc-outgoing; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 21:05:35 GMT Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (daffodil [137.205.192.30]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA20559 for ; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 21:05:32 GMT Received: from send104.yahoomail.com (send104.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.122]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id TAA25976 for ; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 19:06:53 GMT Message-ID: <19990130191015.22570.rocketmail@send104.yahoomail.com> Received: from [194.133.100.227] by send104.yahoomail.com; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 11:10:15 PST Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 11:10:15 -0800 (PST) From: "Michael O'Meara" Subject: Kupa team for Rimini? To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hey could someone talk to me about the Rimini project, as I was talking to Sky about going. i think he's gone back NZ for the nationals, but there must be others out there involved. hear from you soon? Mike O'Meara _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Feb 1 07:50:47 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id HAA17126 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 07:47:06 GMT Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (daffodil [137.205.192.30]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA17107 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 07:47:04 GMT Received: from gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (gem [137.205.227.1]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA09243 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 07:47:03 GMT Received: (from serai@localhost) by gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id HAA16365 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 07:47:01 GMT Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 07:47:01 GMT From: Dave Neilson Message-Id: <199902010747.HAA16365@gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: BUF Events Reminder Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk British Ultimate Federation Disc Events Diary --------------------------------------------- The events list can also be found at http://www.dcs.warwick.ac.uk/~ralf/bfdf/ ---------- Saturday 6th February 1999 Student Indoor Northern Qualifiers (2 days) @ Edinburgh [Students' Indoor Ultimate] Contact James Spicer Email j.a.spicer@sms.ed.ac.uk Saturday 13th February 1999 Warwick Indoors (2 days) [Indoor Ultimate] Contact Mike Clements (Percy) Email ecumu@csv.warwick.ac.uk URL http://www.csv.warwick.ac.uk/~suaaz/ Women's Indoor Nationals (2 days) @ The University of Leeds [Women's Indoor Ultimate] Contact Rachel Jacobs Email lec6rej@leeds.ac.uk Phone 0113 224 2891 Saturday 27th February 1999 National Student Indoors (2 days) @ Leeds [Students' Indoor Ultimate] TD Jon Chewins Email bgy6jgc@South-02.novell.leeds.ac.uk Saturday 6th March 1999 Indoor Regionals (2 days) [Indoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Address 81 Bittern Avenue Abbeydale Gloucester GL4 4WG Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Phone 01242 543299 (work) 01452 380529 (home) Saturday 13th March 1999 BDGA Golf - A tier tournament (2 days) @ Essex University, Colchester [Golf] Contact Andy Lucey Phone 0181 7676766 Indoor Regionals (2 days) [Indoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Address 81 Bittern Avenue Abbeydale Gloucester GL4 4WG Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Phone 01242 543299 (work) 01452 380529 (home) Saturday 20th March 1999 Indoor Nationals (2 days) [Indoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Address 81 Bittern Avenue Abbeydale Gloucester GL4 4WG Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Phone 01242 543299 (work) 01452 380529 (home) Saturday 27th March 1999 BDGA Golf: Bristol Spring Fling (2 days) @ Ashton Court, Bristol [Golf] Contact Bud Tilton Phone 0117 9268055 Red Outdoors (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Leicester Ultimate Club (Red) Address PO Box 1075 Leicester LE2 1YQ Email red@ultimateweb.co.uk Phone 0116 2559638 (Ben Ravilious) Saturday 10th April 1999 BDGA Golf: Quarry Park Matchplay (2 days) @ Quarry Park, Leamington [Golf] Contact Derek Robins Email D.J.Robins@admin.warwick.ac.uk Tour I (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Address 81 Bittern Avenue Abbeydale Gloucester GL4 4WG Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Phone 01242 543299 (work) 01452 380529 (home) Saturday 17th April 1999 Dublin Outdoors (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Peter Bennison Email pbennison@sepro.ie Saturday 1st May 1999 BDGA Golf: Scottish Open - A tier tournament (2 days) @ Isle of Mull, Scotland [Golf] Contact Guy Bolton Phone 01688 500249 Student Outdoors (2 days) @ Bakewell, Derbyshire [Students' Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Simon Weeks Address 74 Commonside Sheffeild S10 1GG Email gga95sew@sheffield.ac.uk Phone 0114 266 2304 Brugge: "7th International Tournament" (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate Abroad] Please reply before February 15th to one of the contacts. Contact Glenn Nolf Address Viaduktstraat 6 B8000 Brugge Email Glenn@km.be Fax + 32 59 552780 Phone + 32 50 311705 URL http://www.brugge.com/freezzzbeezzz/ Contact Jan Loontiens Address Zwagershullestraat 7 B9881 Bellem Fax + 32 9 3728614 Phone + 32 9 3750695 Saturday 8th May 1999 Tour II (2 days) @ Sheffield [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Address 81 Bittern Avenue Abbeydale Gloucester GL4 4WG Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Phone 01242 543299 (work) 01452 380529 (home) Thursday 13th May 1999 Rotterdam (4 days) TBC [Outdoor Ultimate Abroad] Saturday 22nd May 1999 BDGA Golf - B tier tournament (2 days) @ Hayling Island [Golf] Contact Dan Massey Email dmassey@westsussex.gov.uk Saturday 5th June 1999 Tour III (2 days) @ Edinburgh [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Address 81 Bittern Avenue Abbeydale Gloucester GL4 4WG Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Phone 01242 543299 (work) 01452 380529 (home) Saturday 12th June 1999 BDGA Golf - A tier tournament (2 days) @ Quarry Park, Leamington [Golf] Contact Derek Robins Email D.J.Robins@admin.warwick.ac.uk Fiesta (2 days) TBC [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Andrew Orr-Ewing Email A.Orr-Ewing@bristol.ac.uk Phone (0117) 9287672 Saturday 26th June 1999 BDGA Golf - B tier tournament (2 days) @ Ashton Court, Bristol [Golf] Contact Bud Tilton Phone 0117 9268055 Tour IV (2 days) @ Southampton [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Address 81 Bittern Avenue Abbeydale Gloucester GL4 4WG Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Phone 01242 543299 (work) 01452 380529 (home) Saturday 17th July 1999 Tour V (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Address 81 Bittern Avenue Abbeydale Gloucester GL4 4WG Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Phone 01242 543299 (work) 01452 380529 (home) Saturday 24th July 1999 BDGA Golf: British Open - A tier tournament (2 days) @ Whitcombe Farm, Dorset [Golf] Contact Toby Green Email toby.green@ibm.net Ross on Wye (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 7th August 1999 Worlds (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate Abroad] Saturday 14th August 1999 Worlds (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate Abroad] Saturday 28th August 1999 BDGA Golf - B tier tournament (2 days) @ TBA, Scotland [Golf] Contact Liam Young Email liamyoung@bigfoot.com Lurkers Tournie (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Clifford Bottomley Email Clifford_Bottomley@Cargill.com Phone 07775 197169 Thursday 9th September 1999 The British Open Championships 1999 (4 days) @ Saffrons, Eastbourne [Outdoor Ultimate] There will be eight pitches in 99! (Max 32 teams) More details will be issued as and when available. Contact Nolan Taylor Address BritOpen 99 Admin Office 3 Wish Road Eastbourne East Sussex BN21 4NX Email open99@daletaylor.co.uk Fax 01323 430223 Phone 01323 430700 URL http://www.tradeworld.co.uk/open99/ Saturday 18th September 1999 BDGA Golf - A tier tournament (2 days) @ Burnlaw [Golf] Contact Oran Villiers-Stuart Email villiers-stuart@lineone.net Saturday 25th September 1999 Nationals (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Address 81 Bittern Avenue Abbeydale Gloucester GL4 4WG Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Phone 01242 543299 (work) 01452 380529 (home) Saturday 9th October 1999 BDGA Golf: Doubles Matchplay (2 days) @ Ashton Court, Bristol [Golf] Contact Bud Tilton Phone 0117 9268055 Saturday 6th November 1999 BDGA Golf: Singles Matchplay (2 days) @ Quarry Park, Leamington (TBC) [Golf] Contact Andy Lucey Phone 0181 7676766 ---------------------------------------------------------- British Ultimate Federation Disc Events Diary http://www.dcs.warwick.ac.uk/~ralf/bfdf/ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Feb 1 10:29:10 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA17671 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 10:27:35 GMT Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (snowdrop [137.205.192.31]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA17653 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 10:27:31 GMT Received: from hotmail.com (f50.hotmail.com [207.82.250.61]) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA24032 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 10:27:27 GMT Received: (qmail 27846 invoked by uid 0); 1 Feb 1999 10:27:19 -0000 Message-ID: <19990201102718.27845.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 193.60.138.111 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 01 Feb 1999 02:27:18 PST X-Originating-IP: [193.60.138.111] From: "Darroch Reid" To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Indoors etiquette Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 02:27:18 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Will there be some better score and time keeping at future indoor events as it seemed there was some mystery in some of the games. High thrills final concluding a fine tournament at Bristol, but who'll be left to play for the lower positions (make your excuses heard e.g. Slow White). Possum ('Look at Me' Indoor Unltimate) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Feb 1 14:31:20 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id OAA15479 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 14:29:36 GMT Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (daffodil [137.205.192.30]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA15464 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 14:29:32 GMT Received: from mercury.king.ac.uk (mercury.king.ac.uk [141.241.4.24]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA00672 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 14:29:31 GMT Received: from bob.king.ac.uk by mercury.king.ac.uk with SMTP (MMTA 2) with ESMTP; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 14:29:19 +0000 Received: from BOB/SpoolDir by bob.king.ac.uk (Mercury 1.43); 1 Feb 99 14:29:18 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by BOB (Mercury 1.43); 1 Feb 99 14:29:06 +0000 From: Gail Irvine Organization: Kingston University To: Britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 14:29:01 +0000 Subject: Subsribe Britdisc X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.54) Message-ID: <4CD97059E1@bob.king.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Feb 1 17:34:09 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id RAA28222 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 17:32:15 GMT Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (snowdrop [137.205.192.31]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA28217 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 17:32:13 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA03643 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 17:32:12 GMT Received: from [158.152.92.240] (helo=keybase.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.11 #1) id 107NCZ-0002VB-00 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 17:32:00 +0000 Received: from keybase.demon.co.uk by keybase.demon.co.uk (NTMail 3.02.10) with ESMTP id la000479 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 15:06:16 +0000 From: "Peter Hallett" To: Subject: Re: Indoors etiquette Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 15:12:20 -0000 Message-ID: <000a01be4df5$43456460$425c989e@peteh> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk In reply to Possum's concern: '... but who'll be left to play for the lower positions (make your excuses heard e.g. Slow White).' The fact that Slow White did not play their final game on Sunday, is not an issue of bad etiquette as implied by Possum's e-mail. The team we were to play was Mythago, who we had already played Sunday morning. As both teams are from Bristol, we know each other quite well and the arrangement I came to with Chris (Mythago captain and as it happens (one of?) the TD(s)) was to our mutual satisfaction (I discussed the arrangement fully with my team, and I assume Chris did the same). I was under the impression that the result of our arrangement was the opening up of a pick-up slot against Mythago whereby some players from outside of Bristol might grab a little more pitch time for the money and effort which they had put into travelling to Bristol for the tournament. My bottom line to Chris was that if he definitely wanted to play us again then we would play - there was never a question of our leaving the tournament early without the accord of all parties concerned. The only people not consulted were any potential spectators, and I don't think that they would have been bothered about missing another game of Slow White throwing hammers into the ceiling! Pete (Slow White). ---------------------------------------------------------------- Dr Peter Hallett 50 Park Street Keybase Systems Bristol E-mail: peter@keybase.demon.co.uk BS1 5JN WWW: http://www.keybase.co.uk/ UK Tel : +44 (0)117 922 1342 Fax: +44 (0)117 922 5758 ---------------------------------------------------------------- From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Feb 1 17:55:34 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id RAA02063 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 17:53:40 GMT Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (daffodil [137.205.192.30]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA02046 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 17:53:36 GMT From: M.J.Jefferson@open.ac.uk Received: from venus.open.ac.uk (venus.open.ac.uk [137.108.143.2]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id RAA29334 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 17:53:35 GMT Received: from edison.open.ac.uk by venus with SMTP Local (MMTA v2.2) with ESMTP; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 17:53:33 +0000 Received: by edison.open.ac.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 17:53:32 -0000 Message-ID: <594E1092E805D211843F0000F830ED27025A561E@bell.open.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Newport 96 Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 17:53:31 -0000 X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: <594E1092E805D211843F0000F830ED27025A561E@bell.open.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_000_01BE4E0B.C7D13B1C" Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_000_01BE4E0B.C7D13B1C Content-Type: text/plain Hi Guys I'm not about to offer an explanation for this mildly unusual question, but does anyone remember the exact dates of Newport Indoors 1996? Part of me would be very grateful. 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Teams Entered; Ro-Sham-Bo 1 Ro-Sham-Bo 2 Ro-Sham-Bo 3 Petrolium St Andrews 1 St Andrews 2 Shooting Stars 1 Shooting Stars 2 Far Flung 1 Far Flung 2 Leeds 1 Resovoir Fish 1 Resovior Fish 2 Northern Lights 1 Bradford 1 For those teams not arriving untill Saturday play will start early on Saturday morning, at the Medowbank Sports Centre with a captins meeting at 09:00. For teams arriving on friday night directions to the pub follow. There will be people to meet you there from around 21:30. Looking forward to seeing you all soon Paul Eastman, Secretary Ro-Sham-Bo THE A-Z OF DIRECTIONS (OR HOW TO FIND THE PUB!!!) 1. FROM THE AIRPORT Once you have arrived at Edinburgh Airport you can take either the taxi or the bus. You can catch either type of bus. The fare is about £3.50. The bus will finally travel along Princes Street, and stop on Waverley Bridge, just beside the station. Walk back up the road to Princes Street, turn right and follow the road until you get to the lights and turn right up the hill, this is North Bridge. You can KEEP walking along the road. Just after passing The Abbey pub (on South Clerk Street) take a left, and follow the road (East Preston Street) to the T-junction, turn right. The pub is on the right hand side of the road after one block. This walk will take about half an hour! OR Catch any bus that goes to 'South Clerk Street' from North Bridge, and then walk along in the same direction until you reach The Abbey pub and turn left at the set of traffic lights follow the road (East Preston Street) to the T-junction. The pub is on the right hand side of the road after one block, opposite the Commonwealth Pool. OR Get a taxi to The Physician and Firkin, which is opposite the Commonwealth Pool. 2. FROM THE BUS STATION Once you have arrived at the bus station, follow the footpath (this is to the right of the entrance to the St. James Centre) through until you reach Princes Street (about 200m away). Across the road is the bottom of North Bridge. Walk straight up North Bridge and continue along until the far end of South Clerk Street, at this set of traffic lights take a left (just after passing The Abbey pub) and follow the road (East Preston Street) to the T-junction and turn right. The pub is on the right hand side of the road after one block, this walk will take about half an hour! OR >From North Bridge catch any bus that goes to 'South Clerk Street' and then walk along in the same direction until you reach The Abbey pub and turn left at the set of traffic lights follow the road (East Preston Street) to the T-junction and it is on the right hand side of the road after one block, opposite the Commonwealth Pool. OR Get a taxi to The Physician and Firkin, which is opposite the Commonwealth Pool. 3. FROM THE TRAIN STATION Once you have arrived in Edinburgh Waverley station find the large notice board (with arrivals and departures), turn your back to it. You should see a sign for the Way Out on your left. Take the steps (rising up over the bike stands) that go up to Waverley Market, they turn right and take you up to the East end of Princes Street. Catch any bus that goes to 'South Clerk Street' from North Bridge, and then walk along in the same direction until you reach The Abbey pub, and turn left at the set of traffic lights follow the road (East Preston Street) to the T-junction and turn right, it is on the right hand side of the road after one block, opposite the Commonwealth Pool. OR Get a taxi to The Physician and Firkin Pub, which is opposite the Commonwealth Pool. OR Walk straight up North Bridge and continue along South Bridge, Nicolson Street, Clerk Street, South Clerk Street, at the set of traffic lights take a left (just after passing The Abbey pub) and follow the road to the T-junction and turn right. The pub is on the right hand side of the road after one block, this walk will take about half an hour! 4. BY ROAD Follow the instructions for your chosen route. A1 ROUTE Follow the A1 until you reach the A720. Continue along the road and take the first exit, A 6095. The streets you drive along are as follows: , Newcraighall Road , Niddrie Mains Road Continue along Niddrie Mains Road. After two more sets of lights, this changes name to Peffermill Road. Follow to the roundabout and take the third exit, Dalkeith Road. Follow this road until you reach the Commonwealth Pool. The Physician & Firkin pub is opposite, parking is available in the pub car park, and the bar will be open. M6/M74 ROUTE Follow the M6 until it becomes the M74/A74. Keep on this road until you get to Junction 13 (of the M74) which is at Abington. Follow the signs for the A702. Remember to take the A702 when it forks right shortly after joining the A702, or you'll drive straight onto the A73. The A702 is the usual route to Edinburgh and passes through Biggar. After about 40 miles you will pass the Hillend Artificial Ski Slopes. You want to take the City By-pass to the East, A720, to do this, drive over it and then come back round the roundabout and turn left down the slip road. Take the first exit, the A701. The streets you drive along are as follows: , Burdiehouse Road , Howden Hall Road, Liberton Gardens , Liberton Brae , Liberton Road , Lady Road Take the first left at the roundabout, and follow this road until you reach the Commonwealth Pool. The Physician & Firkin pub is opposite, parking is available in the pub car park, and the bar will still be open. OTHER ROUTES Whatever other route you come to Edinburgh it is easy to meet the A720, the Edinburgh By-pass. If you don't know of an easier way, follow this until you reach the A701. The instructions after this are given above. see you friday james J.a.Spicer@sms.ed.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Feb 2 13:08:08 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id NAA16069 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 13:05:30 GMT Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (daffodil [137.205.192.30]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA16030 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 13:05:22 GMT Received: from mps3.leeds.ac.uk (sunserv5.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.16.35]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA02104 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 13:05:21 GMT Received: from west-01.novell.leeds.ac.uk (west-01.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.124.1]) by mps3.leeds.ac.uk (8.9.2/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA00255 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 13:05:20 GMT Message-Id: <199902021305.NAA00255@mps3.leeds.ac.uk> Received: from LUCS-H21/SpoolDir by west-01.novell.leeds.ac.uk (Mercury 1.43); 2 Feb 99 13:04:59 GMT0BST Received: from SpoolDir by LUCS-H21 (Mercury 1.43); 2 Feb 99 13:04:54 GMT0BST From: "R.E. JACOBS" Organization: University of Leeds To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 13:04:41 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: WOMENS NATIONALS Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Dear all, Firstly, there are still a couple of places up for grabs so if you haven't confirmed you are coming or you haven't sent me the money you had better get a move on if you don't want to miss out on all the fun!!!!! I have contacted most teams regarding payment and confirmation of places but if i haven't let me know ASAP if you are coming or not. Teams with places DI1 DI2 Twin Peaks Fierce WIB Nessa's Team Skunks Squawks Sheffield Bradford Bliss Horrors Red Plymouth If your name isn't above you are not guaranteed a place unless you confirm ASAP that you are coming!! Here are a few details about the tournament although a tournament pack should be winging it's way to the team contacts as we speak. You should have had a message from me if i haven't got your address so please reply to it as i would hate for you to miss out on any of the fun in store for you. Firstly, the most important detail. The party is to held at the Fellon and Firkin on Saturday night from 8.00pm following on across the road at Carpe Diem's until 1.00am. This should give you plenty of opportunity to celebrate Valentines Day and there will be no sneaking home early to get a competitive advantage against those of us who are less restrained (God help my team on Sunday morning). For those arriving on Friday night we are meeting from 7.30pm onwards at the Feast and Firkin where you will be given accommodation etc. We will be there until last orders so should you be arriving any later could you let me know so that i can give you accommodation details directly. The Captains meeting is at 8.45am on Saturday with the first games at 9.00am. We will be playing from 9.00 am until 5.00pm although we may finish earlier on Sunday. The tournament is held at the University of Leeds Sports Hall the directions for which are outlined below as well as in the tournament packs. Parking is available in the university car parks which you should pass on your way to the hall. Entrance is via the main entrance to the university. Then Follow the road round to the left, keep following it round to the right passing car parking on your left. The Sports Hall is around the corner to the right. Directions into Leeds have been confused somewhat by the construction of the AI-MI link road and the renumbering of the M1and M621. The golden rule is follow the signs for the City Centre until you get off the Motorway (especially M1 northbound). FROM THE SOUTH - MI NORTHBOUND The MI becomes the M621 as you near the City Centre. Get off at the exit sign posted City Centre, do not try to follow the MI north when it splits, follow the road as it turns into the M621. Once you get off at the sign for the City Centre, follow the signs for City Centre and Universities. Pass under the railway bridges keeping in the outside lane and enter City Square. Take the exit signposted Universities to the right (the main Post Office on your right). Turn right at the next set of light into East Parade. Travel up East Parade in the LEFT lane, straight across the Headrow into Calverley Street (Town Hall should be on your left). Continue up Calverley Street passing the leeds General Infirmary on your left. At the second set of lights turn right signposted A660 Skipton and University of Leeds. At the next lights turn left onto Woodhouse lane. The main entrance is a few hundred yards on your left by the Parkinson Building ( big white building with a clock tower) FROM THE WEST - M62 EASTBOUND Exit M62 at junction 27 to the M621. Exit the M621 at junction 2 (signposted Harrogate,York and Skipton). At the major roundabout take the third exit to City Centre and join the Inner Ring Road. Take the exit signposted Skipton A660 and universities which comes out on Woodhouse lane. Main University entrance is by the Parkinson Building on the left as above. FROM THE EAST - M62 WESTBOUND Exit M62 at junction 29 onto the M1 northbound. Continue as from M1 north bound directions FROM A1 NORTHBOUND Leave A1 at Ferrybridge services to join M62 westbound. Exit M62 at junction 29 to M1 north and follow M1 northbound directions FROM A1 SOUTHBOUND AND FROM YORK Leave A1 taking A64 to Leeds. Join Inner ring road at leeds and take the exit signposted A660 Skipton.This brings you out on Woodhouse lane with the entrance to the Uni a few hundred yards on your left. **** The construction on the A1 may have cocked up my directions so just follow the signs for leeds until you hit the inner ring road. I hope that makes thing a bit clearer for you all. If you need anything else give me a call Have a good couple of weeks and I'll see you all on the 13/14 Love Rachxxxxxxxxx Rachel Jacobs 3 Elizabeth Street Hyde Park Leeds LS6 1JF 0113 224 2891 Lec6rej@leeds.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Feb 2 13:30:03 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id NAA22523 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 13:28:00 GMT Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (daffodil [137.205.192.30]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA22507 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 13:27:57 GMT Received: from hotmail.com (f175.hotmail.com [207.82.251.61]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA04360 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 13:27:53 GMT Received: (qmail 19906 invoked by uid 0); 2 Feb 1999 13:27:31 -0000 Message-ID: <19990202132731.19905.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 193.60.138.107 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 02 Feb 1999 05:27:31 PST X-Originating-IP: [193.60.138.107] From: "Darroch Reid" To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Apology Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 05:27:31 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Right Wrong ------ ------ Slow White Possum Sorry Possum. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Feb 2 13:41:57 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id NAA25843 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 13:39:58 GMT Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (snowdrop [137.205.192.31]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA25827 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 13:39:56 GMT Received: from pandora.computing-service.plymouth.ac.uk (plymouth.ac.uk [141.163.2.62]) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA29720 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 13:39:53 GMT Received: from csuf43.csd.plym.ac.uk ([141.163.188.1]) by pandora.computing-service.plymouth.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.11 #1) id 107g3R-00027t-00 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 13:39:49 +0000 Received: from CSUF43/SpoolDir by csuf43.csd.plym.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); 2 Feb 99 13:35:10 GMT Received: from SpoolDir by CSUF43 (Mercury 1.44); 2 Feb 99 13:34:50 GMT From: "Ell" Organization: University of Plymouth To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 13:34:46 GMT Subject: Open Qualifiers Message-ID: Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Dear all, One of the Open Indoor Qualifiers will be held in the fair city of Plymouth. It shall take place on the weekend of the 13/14 March, and we shall be able to cater for 16 teams (perhaps more depending on interest). The cost of the tournament shall be stlg75 per team, and places will be allocated on a first come first served basis as usual. Because of the format of the qualifiers this year, this invite is open to anyone who wishes to come down to Plymouth for a weekend of Ultimate shennanigans. If you are interested in coming, the contact details for more info are: Mark Ellis : M.S.Ellis@plymouth.ac.uk or 07788 420913 Rob Davies: R.J.Davies@plymouth.ac.uk or 01752 209355 Cheers everybody, Mark (Picnic secretary) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Feb 2 14:10:37 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id OAA03980 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 14:08:34 GMT Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (daffodil [137.205.192.30]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA03971 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 14:08:32 GMT Received: from renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk (renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk [129.215.13.3]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA09124 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 14:08:31 GMT Received: from eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk (eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk [129.215.13.1]) by renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA27098 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 14:08:28 GMT Received: from SMS-EIGG/SpoolDir by eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk (Mercury 1.43); 2 Feb 99 14:08:28 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by SMS-EIGG (Mercury 1.43); 2 Feb 99 14:07:59 +0000 From: "James Spicer" <9550732@eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk> To: Britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 14:07:55 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Northern Quals format X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.52) Message-ID: Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Dear All Just a wee email to let everyone know the format for the weekend seeds are (based on last years northern students results as far as I can remember) 1 Far flung 1 2 Disciples 3 Flying Sourcerors 4 Jedi 5 Ro-Sham-Bo 6 Reservoir Fish 7 Northern Lights 8 Shooting Stars 9 Pertrolum 10 Far Flung 2 11 Flying Sourcerors 2 12 Ro- Sham- Bo 2 13 Reservoir Fish 2 14 shooting Stars 2 15 Ro - Sham - Bo 3 16 Pick up team There will be 4 pools of 4 which are set out as below 1 2 3 4 6 5 7 8 9 10 11 12 14 13 15 16 """"This fornat gives a team the chance of playing 5 different teams in the quarter finals (so I have been told!!!!) This also means that if the seeds where not accurate, one gets a good chance of rearranging the seeding in the pools. Assuming, that there are 4 pools. More importantly anyone severely over or underseeded has a chance to change their status in the pool games (which after all is the whole point of pools!). """" The middle two teams in each section will cross over with other pools with the top seeds and bottom seeds not crossing over O the saturday games start at 9.10 and are all 18 minutes long. all pool games, cross overs and quarters will be played on the saturday. O the sunday the semi finals and finals will be played all games 29 minutes long. any problems with this format mail me back. See you at the weekend James J.a.Spicer@sms.ed.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Feb 2 14:37:59 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id OAA11494 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 14:36:00 GMT Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (daffodil [137.205.192.30]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA11481 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 14:35:56 GMT Received: from admin.company-net.co.uk (admin.company-net.co.uk [193.129.5.65]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA12292 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 14:35:51 GMT Received: by ADMIN with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 14:44:39 -0000 Message-ID: <590803E12A7AD211A428FA3DA700000001A898@ADMIN> From: Richard Clegg To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: RE: Open Qualifiers Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 14:44:34 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk >Because of the format of the qualifiers this year, What is the format this year, then? Richard Clegg (Scuttler), Sneeeky's From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Feb 2 14:57:16 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id OAA17199 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 14:54:52 GMT Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (snowdrop [137.205.192.31]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA17180 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 14:54:49 GMT Received: from spuggie.cen.brad.ac.uk (spuggie.cen.brad.ac.uk [143.53.2.18] (may be forged)) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA11080 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 14:54:47 GMT Received: from kite.cen.brad.ac.uk (bjsilcoc@kite.cen.brad.ac.uk [143.53.238.22]) by spuggie.cen.brad.ac.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id OAA04736 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 14:54:43 GMT Received: from localhost (bjsilcoc@localhost) by kite.cen.brad.ac.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id OAA11574 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 14:54:42 GMT Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 14:54:42 +0000 (BST) From: "Flowers never bend with the rainfall." X-Sender: bjsilcoc@kite.cen.brad.ac.uk To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: RE: Open Qualifiers In-Reply-To: <590803E12A7AD211A428FA3DA700000001A898@ADMIN> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Can Somebody write a quick note explaining how many teams qualifies for the open indoors and from where - is it similar to last year at all??? Cheers Ben ***************************************************************************** `'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'` '`'`'`'Benjamin Silcock * Biomedical Sciences * Bradford University '`'`'`'`' `'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'` '`'`'`'`'`If you live life for every moment, Tomorrow never comes`'`'`'`'`'`' `'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'` '`'`'`'`'`When I die, my whole life will be forgotten. Will yours?'`'`'`'`'`' `'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'` ***************************************************************************** From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Feb 2 15:29:46 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id PAA27668 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 15:27:38 GMT Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (snowdrop [137.205.192.31]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA27641 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 15:27:35 GMT Received: from exchpk02.chelt.ac.uk (exchpk02.chelt.ac.uk [194.66.194.6]) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA16550 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 15:27:32 GMT Received: by exchpk02.chelt.ac.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 15:27:11 -0000 Message-ID: <8102C4585310D211858D0060B01A41337ED24F@exchpk02.chelt.ac.uk> From: "HUGHES, Chris" To: "'Britdisc'" Subject: Indoor Qualifiers Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 15:27:10 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Schmindoors Nationals is soon upon us. Plymouth jumped the gun slightly and I wasn't quite ready for it but here goes; This year there is not going to be regionals in the traditional sense. Instead to provide greater flexibility to you the customer (and also to make life easier when a region can't be arsed to host a tourney) there are to be four qualifying tournaments. Glasgow - Mud Culture Sheffield - Phat Eds Milton Keynes - Whiplash Plymouth - Picnic Once attendance's and strength of each of these tournaments is finalised then the number of qualifying slots will be published prior to any of the events. I would ask teams not to start entering to the events this instant. You will soon be receiving a generic entry form for all the events and you can send off to the relevant organiser. Different tournaments have different facilities (eg accommodation) and I would also ask teams to consider their location in the country before running off to enter a tournament. Teams will also be receiving with their entry forms information on tour 99, BUF subs (which have to be paid before you can compete at regionals) an other pertinent information. A word on BUF subs: All teams intending to play indoors must either; a) be a fully paid up member of the BUF, and as such a subscribed team in their own right. Or b) all players on an indoor team must be members of any subscribed outdoor team (not all players need to belong to the same outdoor team) Please do not panic about not getting into a qualifying event. It is estimated that these four tournament can cope with approximately 90 teams between them. Postal invite will be sent out soon. Ensure that your team name and details are registered with Ben Ravilious (BUF Secretary) to receive your invite. Chris Hughes (DoC) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Feb 3 21:28:30 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id VAA00323 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 21:23:05 GMT Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (snowdrop [137.205.192.31]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA00316 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 21:23:03 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA18779 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 21:23:02 GMT Received: from [158.152.248.177] (helo=phidelta.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 1089lB-00013l-00 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 21:23:01 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 21:21:15 +0000 To: BritDisc From: Wayne Retter Subject: London Ultimate Listings/website MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (32) Trial Version 3.05 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk I've had three or four Ultimate players who are "in London for a little while" contact me in the last week. I know that Colin Wagstaff has had a few, too... They're after details of when/where they might pick up whilst they're here. Is there a london listing still? I know Neil Travers used to have one, and I know the LUS website is still around somewhere, but how up to date is the info - and how well publicised is it? Wayne ---------------------------------------------------------------- Wayne Retter at home: 0181-663-4856 wayne@phidelta.demon.co.uk mobile: 07970-903420 at work: 01737-273611 wayne_retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Feb 4 00:18:51 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id AAA23822 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 00:14:30 GMT Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (snowdrop [137.205.192.31]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA23808 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 00:14:24 GMT Received: from maggiore.dsnet.it (maggiore.dsnet.it [195.250.233.15] (may be forged)) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id AAA26557 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 00:14:23 GMT Received: (qmail 12218 invoked from network); 4 Feb 1999 00:14:20 -0000 Received: from dyn172-s-bo.dsnet.it (HELO mailbox.dsnet.it) (195.250.230.172) by maggiore.dsnet.it with SMTP; 4 Feb 1999 00:14:20 -0000 Message-ID: <36B8E536.DC292FF6@mailbox.dsnet.it> Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 01:09:26 +0100 From: Peldi X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc To: "EuroDisc@ira.uka.de" , BritDisc , "itadisc@egroups.com" Subject: Ultilinks news Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Ciao. Just a short note: Visit Ultilinks - The Ultimate Starting Point at http://www.ultilinks.com/ and you will find: -a new outstanding picture of the month. -a new, long interview with Charlie Mead, chair of the WFDF ultimate committee. Keep up the Spirit, Peldi From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Feb 4 12:12:06 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA07512 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 12:09:07 GMT Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (snowdrop [137.205.192.31]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA07506 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 12:09:05 GMT Received: from polaris.kbw.co.uk (dns1.kbw.co.uk [193.132.201.37]) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA08099 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 12:09:04 GMT Received: by dns1.kbw.co.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <1CWHCMK2>; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 12:08:55 -0000 Message-ID: <83E1C7B51EACD21186E000A0C997E63D05D587@dns1.kbw.co.uk> From: Roger Thomson To: BritDisc Cc: "'buf@ultimateweb.co.uk'" Subject: RE: London Ultimate Listings/website Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 12:08:53 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk The LUS website is hosted at http://www.kbw.co.uk/shotgun/lus/index.htm. The site is publicised on the BUF site, although the URL given is wrong, pointing to the old ultimatum address. It's not been updated since the summer league games, err, sort of stopped happenning and were replaced by a weekly free-for-all. It doesn't include the Tooting Monday night practice (although maybe it should..) Yours, SHOTGONE WebMinister and Tub'o'lard. PS: Whoever the BUF Webgimp is, please wake up; I've told you several times over the last 12 MONTHS that the Shotgun URL on the links page is wrong. There's no point in having a links page if you can't be bothered to correct errors or keep up with changes. > -----Original Message----- > From: Wayne Retter [mailto:wayne@phidelta.demon.co.uk] > Sent: 03 February 1999 21:21 > To: BritDisc > Subject: London Ultimate Listings/website > > > I've had three or four Ultimate players who are "in London > for a little > while" contact me in the last week. I know that Colin > Wagstaff has had a > few, too... > > They're after details of when/where they might pick up whilst they're > here. > > Is there a london listing still? I know Neil Travers used to have one, > and I know the LUS website is still around somewhere, but how > up to date > is the info - and how well publicised is it? > > Wayne > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > Wayne Retter > at home: 0181-663-4856 wayne@phidelta.demon.co.uk > mobile: 07970-903420 > at work: 01737-273611 wayne_retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk > From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Feb 4 14:56:16 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id OAA19932 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 14:54:53 GMT Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (daffodil [137.205.192.30]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA19912 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 14:54:50 GMT Received: from exeter.ac.uk (hermes.ex.ac.uk [144.173.6.14]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA17076 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 14:54:49 GMT Received: from tc253 [144.173.88.153] by hermes via SMTP (OAA08025); Thu, 4 Feb 1999 14:54:38 GMT From: Stu To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Warwick Indoors Message-ID: Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 14:54:23 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) X-Mailer: Simeon for Win32 Version 4.1.5 Build (43) X-Authentication: IMSP MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Dear Whoever, Uriel are still waiting to hear if we can come to the Warwick Indoors. We asked three weeks ago and haven't heard anything. Can we come? Stu Club Captain Uriel ---------------------- Muad'dib PHILOSOPHER OF RANDOM From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Feb 4 15:51:46 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id PAA04070 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 15:49:32 GMT Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (snowdrop [137.205.192.31]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA04046 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 15:49:27 GMT Received: from larry.texcel.co.uk (larry.texcel.co.uk [195.40.103.11]) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA13554 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 15:49:24 GMT Received: from dreamer.demon.co.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by larry.texcel.co.uk (8.8.8/8.7.1) with ESMTP id PAA02241; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 15:44:49 GMT Message-ID: <36B9C070.13FEFAF@dreamer.demon.co.uk> Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 15:44:48 +0000 From: Neil Travers Organization: Home(ish) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.5 sun4d) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: BritDisc Subject: Re: London Ultimate Listings/website References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Wayne Retter wrote: > Is there a london listing still? I know Neil Travers used to have one, My 'London Practices' page is still at http://www.dreamer.demon.co.uk/london/ and is up to date as far as I'm aware. So tell me if there are any changes, additions or corrections. -- Neil Travers - home Fluid Druids, UK http://www.dreamer.demon.co.uk/ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Feb 4 16:01:41 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id QAA06921 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 16:00:22 GMT Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (snowdrop [137.205.192.31]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA06879 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 16:00:16 GMT From: M.J.Jefferson@open.ac.uk Received: from venus.open.ac.uk (venus.open.ac.uk [137.108.143.2]) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id QAA15492 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 16:00:16 GMT Received: from edison.open.ac.uk by venus with SMTP Local (MMTA v2.2) with ESMTP; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 15:53:33 +0000 Received: by edison.open.ac.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 15:53:29 -0000 Message-ID: <594E1092E805D211843F0000F830ED27025A5650@bell.open.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Norm? Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 15:53:28 -0000 X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: <594E1092E805D211843F0000F830ED27025A5650@bell.open.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_000_01BE5056.81E1A822" Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_000_01BE5056.81E1A822 Content-Type: text/plain Hi Folks Sorry to hijack BD for a personal request but..... Norm, if you're out there, get in touch please! Cheers Mark Whiplash ------_=_NextPart_000_01BE5056.81E1A822 Content-Type: application/ms-tnef Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 eJ8+Ih4PAQaQCAAEAAAAAAABAAEAAQeQBgAIAAAA5AQAAAAAAADoAAEIgAcAGAAAAElQTS5NaWNy b3NvZnQgTWFpbC5Ob3RlADEIAQWAAwAOAAAAzwcCAAQADwA1ABwABABAAQEggAMADgAAAM8HAgAE AA8ANQAcAAQAQAEBCYABACEAAABEMzAwRkU0MjJEQkNEMjExODQ2NzAwMDBGODMwRUQyNwAHBwEE gAEABgAAAE5vcm0/ANsBAQ2ABAACAAAAAgACAAEDkAYA2AUAAC0AAAADAAaACCAGAAAAAADAAAAA AAAARgAAAABShQAAdBAAAB4AB4AIIAYAAAAAAMAAAAAAAABGAAAAAFSFAAABAAAABQAAADguMDIA AAAAAwAAgAggBgAAAAAAwAAAAAAAAEYAAAAAAYUAAAAAAAALAAGACCAGAAAAAADAAAAAAAAARgAA AAADhQAAAAAAAAsAAoAIIAYAAAAAAMAAAAAAAABGAAAAAA6FAAAAAAAAAwADgAggBgAAAAAAwAAA AAAAAEYAAAAAEIUAAAAAAAADAASACCAGAAAAAADAAAAAAAAARgAAAAARhQAAAAAAAAMABYAIIAYA AAAAAMAAAAAAAABGAAAAABiFAAAAAAAAHgAIgAggBgAAAAAAwAAAAAAAAEYAAAAANoUAAAEAAAAB AAAAAAAAAB4ACYAIIAYAAAAAAMAAAAAAAABGAAAAADeFAAABAAAAAQAAAAAAAAAeAAqACCAGAAAA AADAAAAAAAAARgAAAAA4hQAAAQAAAAEAAAAAAAAAAgEJEAEAAADqAAAA5gAAADMBAABMWkZ1iyem ZQMACgByY3BnMTI10jIA+zM2AeggAqQD4wkCAGNoCsBzZXQwliAHEwKAfQqBdWMAUJMLAwtgbmcB 0DU3C6agIEhpIEYG8GsQoBcKsQqECoBTBbByeSBAdG8gaGlqANBrMCBCRCACEAXAYSBacASQcwIg B0AgCXBxhQpQcwVAYnV0LhfCRRQ6TgWwbSwgBpAgankIYCcJcCAIYAVAdOpoBJBlGRBnESAZIAOg ixVQEhBoFnBsZWEREHohFDpDGiAWkRQ6FDpNNQrAaxQ0VxWAC1FzaAsUNBHRACAgAAALAAIAAQAA AB4AcAABAAAABgAAAE5vcm0/AAAAAgFxAAEAAAAWAAAAAb5QVoDXJqY6zLwcEdKCZQAQWl5ZEAAA QAA5AIBNkIFWUL4BAwDxPwkEAAAeADFAAQAAAAUAAABNSjkyAAAAAAMAGkAAAAAAHgAwQAEAAAAF AAAATUo5MgAAAAADABlAAAAAAAMA/T/kBAAAAwAmAAAAAAADADYAAAAAAAMAgBD/////AgFHAAEA AAAsAAAAYz1HQjthPSA7cD1hYy51aztsPUJFTEwtOTkwMjA0MTU1MzI4Wi0yOTcyNQACAfk/AQAA AEYAAAAAAAAA3KdAyMBCEBq0uQgAKy/hggEAAAAAAAAAL089T1BFTi9PVT1PUEVOTUFJTC9DTj1S RUNJUElFTlRTL0NOPU1KOTIAAAAeAPg/AQAAAA4AAABNLkouSmVmZmVyc29uAAAAHgA4QAEAAAAF AAAATUo5MgAAAAACAfs/AQAAAEYAAAAAAAAA3KdAyMBCEBq0uQgAKy/hggEAAAAAAAAAL089T1BF Ti9PVT1PUEVOTUFJTC9DTj1SRUNJUElFTlRTL0NOPU1KOTIAAAAeAPo/AQAAAA4AAABNLkouSmVm ZmVyc29uAAAAHgA5QAEAAAAFAAAATUo5MgAAAABAAAcwuKaLgVZQvgFAAAgwIqjhgVZQvgEeAD0A AQAAAAEAAAAAAAAAHgAdDgEAAAAGAAAATm9ybT8AAAAeADUQAQAAADsAAAA8NTk0RTEwOTJFODA1 RDIxMTg0M0YwMDAwRjgzMEVEMjcwMjVBNTY1MEBiZWxsLm9wZW4uYWMudWs+AAALACkAAAAAAAsA IwAAAAAAAwAGEL5J0dgDAAcQYwAAAAMAEBAAAAAAAwAREAAAAAAeAAgQAQAAAGQAAABISUZPTEtT U09SUllUT0hJSkFDS0JERk9SQVBFUlNPTkFMUkVRVUVTVEJVVE5PUk0sSUZZT1VSRU9VVFRIRVJF LEdFVElOVE9VQ0hQTEVBU0VDSEVFUlNNQVJLV0hJUExBU0gAAgF/AAEAAAA7AAAAPDU5NEUxMDky RTgwNUQyMTE4NDNGMDAwMEY4MzBFRDI3MDI1QTU2NTBAYmVsbC5vcGVuLmFjLnVrPgAAJwc= ------_=_NextPart_000_01BE5056.81E1A822-- From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Feb 4 17:14:51 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id RAA23341 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 17:12:03 GMT Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (daffodil [137.205.192.30]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA23323 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 17:11:59 GMT Received: from admin.warwick.ac.uk (sigma [137.205.249.1]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA01355 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 17:11:58 GMT Received: from SIGMA/SpoolDir by admin.warwick.ac.uk (Mercury 1.40); 4 Feb 99 17:11:58 GMT+0000 Received: from SpoolDir by SIGMA (Mercury 1.40); 4 Feb 99 17:11:42 GMT+0000 From: "Derek Robins" Organization: University of Warwick, CV4 7AL, UK To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 17:11:36 +0000 (GMT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Disc Golf in the Times Message-ID: <9EDE55C4FA2@admin.warwick.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk There is a good article on disc golf in the Times today (Thursday) complete with colour picture of Nolan Taylor putting. The reporter was at the Middlesex Challenge Cup tournament the weekend before last. The article is in the Sports section on page 42. There were TV cameras at the tournament too but we have no word yet of when dg will feature on Rad sports programme. The first truly commercial (i.e. not installed by dg enthusiasts) disc golf course in Britain is going ahead at Crieff Hydro in Perthshire and could open as early as April, complete with proper baskets and tees. Look out also for articles appearing in Marie Claire magazine and the British Airways mag. High Life. If you are interested in taking up disc golf get in touch, newcomers are always welcome at our events and you can use an Ultimate disc if you like. Derek *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*- Derek Robins | | D.J.Robins@admin.warwick.ac.uk Finance Office | | Tel 01203 522710 University of Warwick | | Fax 01203 572645 Coventry CV4 7AL | | Home 01926 864136 *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*- From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Feb 4 17:41:27 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id RAA29306 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 17:40:12 GMT Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (snowdrop [137.205.192.31]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA29300 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 17:40:10 GMT Received: from mailhost.dircon.co.uk (mailhost.dircon.co.uk [194.112.32.65]) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA29412; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 17:40:09 GMT Received: from [194.112.56.242] (th-en140-242.pool.dircon.co.uk [194.112.56.242]) by mailhost.dircon.co.uk (8.9.1/8.8.7) with SMTP id RAA02791; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 17:40:06 GMT Subject: Re: Disc Golf in the Times Message-Id: <000000598303000994942@daletaylor.co.uk> From: nolan@daletaylor.co.uk (Nolan Taylor, Dale Taylor Ltd) Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 17:42:21 +0000 Organization: Dale Taylor Ltd X-Mailer: CommuniGate 2.9.8 Reply-To: nolan@daletaylor.co.uk (Nolan Taylor, Dale Taylor Ltd) To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk, D.J.Robins@admin.warwick.ac.uk (Derek Robins) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk On Thu, Feb 4, 1999, 5:11:36 pm GMT Derek Robins wrote: >There is a good article on disc golf in the Times today (Thursday) >complete with colour picture of Nolan Taylor putting. GOOD LOOKS HAVE FINALLY ARRIVED ON THE DISC GOLF SCENE !!! The reporter >was at the Middlesex Challenge Cup tournament the weekend before >last. > >The article is in the Sports section on page 42. > >There were TV cameras at the tournament too but we have no word yet >of when dg will feature on Rad sports programme. > >The first truly commercial (i.e. not installed by dg enthusiasts) >disc golf course in Britain is going ahead at Crieff Hydro in >Perthshire and could open as early as April, complete with proper >baskets and tees. > >Look out also for articles appearing in Marie Claire magazine and >the British Airways mag. High Life. > >If you are interested in taking up disc golf get in touch, >newcomers are always welcome at our events and you can use an >Ultimate disc if you like. > >Derek > >*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*- >Derek Robins | | D.J.Robins@admin.warwick.ac.uk >Finance Office | | Tel 01203 522710 >University of Warwick | | Fax 01203 572645 >Coventry CV4 7AL | | Home 01926 864136 >*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*- > --------------------------------------- Nolan Taylor Dale Taylor Ltd Email: nolan@daletaylor.co.uk Tel: 01323 430700 Fax: 01323 430223 --------------------------------------- From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Feb 4 17:41:57 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id RAA29496 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 17:41:30 GMT Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (daffodil [137.205.192.30]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA29486 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 17:41:28 GMT From: M.J.Jefferson@open.ac.uk Received: from venus.open.ac.uk (venus.open.ac.uk [137.108.143.2]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id RAA04205 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 17:41:28 GMT Received: from edison.open.ac.uk by venus with SMTP Local (MMTA v2.2) with ESMTP; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 17:28:04 +0000 Received: by edison.open.ac.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 17:28:03 -0000 Message-ID: <594E1092E805D211843F0000F830ED27025A565C@bell.open.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Attachments Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 17:28:03 -0000 X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: <594E1092E805D211843F0000F830ED27025A565C@bell.open.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_000_01BE5063.B7FABA0E" Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_000_01BE5063.B7FABA0E Content-Type: text/plain Firstly, very, very sorry if it does it again..... People have told me that my email has been sending attachments. I am unaware of this, and do not get them when my BD mail comes back to me. I am really sorry to all those people who get fucked over by their systems administrators for this. The only thing I can think of is that the formats are incompatible. Any advice / insight for me would be greatly appreciated by everyone who has a problem with this..... 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Please can the qualifying teams e mail me if you have not yet recieved your invite. Cheers Chewy Ps Dora thanks for the cheque, maps are on the way! From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Feb 8 07:48:51 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id HAA05180 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 07:47:04 GMT Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (snowdrop [137.205.192.31]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA05171 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 07:47:02 GMT Received: from gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (gem [137.205.227.1]) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA28198 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 07:47:02 GMT Received: (from serai@localhost) by gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id HAA29739 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 07:47:01 GMT Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 07:47:01 GMT From: Dave Neilson Message-Id: <199902080747.HAA29739@gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: BUF Events Reminder Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk British Ultimate Federation Disc Events Diary --------------------------------------------- The events list can also be found at http://www.dcs.warwick.ac.uk/~ralf/bfdf/ ---------- Saturday 13th February 1999 Warwick Indoors (2 days) [Indoor Ultimate] Contact Mike Clements (Percy) Email ecumu@csv.warwick.ac.uk URL http://www.csv.warwick.ac.uk/~suaaz/ Women's Indoor Nationals (2 days) @ The University of Leeds [Women's Indoor Ultimate] Contact Rachel Jacobs Email lec6rej@leeds.ac.uk Phone 0113 224 2891 Saturday 27th February 1999 National Student Indoors (2 days) @ Leeds [Students' Indoor Ultimate] TD Jon Chewins Email bgy6jgc@South-02.novell.leeds.ac.uk Saturday 6th March 1999 Indoor Regionals (2 days) [Indoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Address 81 Bittern Avenue Abbeydale Gloucester GL4 4WG Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Phone 01242 543299 (work) 01452 380529 (home) Saturday 13th March 1999 BDGA Golf - A tier tournament (2 days) @ Essex University, Colchester [Golf] Contact Andy Lucey Phone 0181 7676766 Indoor Regionals (2 days) [Indoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Address 81 Bittern Avenue Abbeydale Gloucester GL4 4WG Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Phone 01242 543299 (work) 01452 380529 (home) Saturday 20th March 1999 Indoor Nationals (2 days) [Indoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Address 81 Bittern Avenue Abbeydale Gloucester GL4 4WG Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Phone 01242 543299 (work) 01452 380529 (home) Saturday 27th March 1999 BDGA Golf: Bristol Spring Fling (2 days) @ Ashton Court, Bristol [Golf] Contact Bud Tilton Phone 0117 9268055 Red Outdoors (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Leicester Ultimate Club (Red) Address PO Box 1075 Leicester LE2 1YQ Email red@ultimateweb.co.uk Phone 0116 2559638 (Ben Ravilious) Saturday 10th April 1999 BDGA Golf: Quarry Park Matchplay (2 days) @ Quarry Park, Leamington [Golf] Contact Derek Robins Email D.J.Robins@admin.warwick.ac.uk Tour I (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Address 81 Bittern Avenue Abbeydale Gloucester GL4 4WG Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Phone 01242 543299 (work) 01452 380529 (home) Saturday 17th April 1999 Dublin Outdoors (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Peter Bennison Email pbennison@sepro.ie Saturday 1st May 1999 BDGA Golf: Scottish Open - A tier tournament (2 days) @ Isle of Mull, Scotland [Golf] Contact Guy Bolton Phone 01688 500249 Student Outdoors (2 days) @ Bakewell, Derbyshire [Students' Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Simon Weeks Address 74 Commonside Sheffeild S10 1GG Email gga95sew@sheffield.ac.uk Phone 0114 266 2304 Brugge: "7th International Tournament" (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate Abroad] Please reply before February 15th to one of the contacts. Contact Glenn Nolf Address Viaduktstraat 6 B8000 Brugge Email Glenn@km.be Fax + 32 59 552780 Phone + 32 50 311705 URL http://www.brugge.com/freezzzbeezzz/ Contact Jan Loontiens Address Zwagershullestraat 7 B9881 Bellem Fax + 32 9 3728614 Phone + 32 9 3750695 Saturday 8th May 1999 Tour II (2 days) @ Sheffield [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Address 81 Bittern Avenue Abbeydale Gloucester GL4 4WG Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Phone 01242 543299 (work) 01452 380529 (home) Thursday 13th May 1999 Rotterdam (4 days) TBC [Outdoor Ultimate Abroad] Saturday 22nd May 1999 BDGA Golf - B tier tournament (2 days) @ Hayling Island [Golf] Contact Dan Massey Email dmassey@westsussex.gov.uk Saturday 5th June 1999 Tour III (2 days) @ Edinburgh [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Address 81 Bittern Avenue Abbeydale Gloucester GL4 4WG Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Phone 01242 543299 (work) 01452 380529 (home) Saturday 12th June 1999 BDGA Golf - A tier tournament (2 days) @ Quarry Park, Leamington [Golf] Contact Derek Robins Email D.J.Robins@admin.warwick.ac.uk Fiesta (2 days) TBC [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Andrew Orr-Ewing Email A.Orr-Ewing@bristol.ac.uk Phone (0117) 9287672 Saturday 26th June 1999 BDGA Golf - B tier tournament (2 days) @ Ashton Court, Bristol [Golf] Contact Bud Tilton Phone 0117 9268055 Tour IV (2 days) @ Southampton [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Address 81 Bittern Avenue Abbeydale Gloucester GL4 4WG Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Phone 01242 543299 (work) 01452 380529 (home) Saturday 17th July 1999 Tour V (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Address 81 Bittern Avenue Abbeydale Gloucester GL4 4WG Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Phone 01242 543299 (work) 01452 380529 (home) Saturday 24th July 1999 BDGA Golf: British Open - A tier tournament (2 days) @ Whitcombe Farm, Dorset [Golf] Contact Toby Green Email toby.green@ibm.net Ross on Wye (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 7th August 1999 Worlds (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate Abroad] Saturday 14th August 1999 Worlds (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate Abroad] Saturday 28th August 1999 BDGA Golf - B tier tournament (2 days) @ TBA, Scotland [Golf] Contact Liam Young Email liamyoung@bigfoot.com Lurkers Tournie (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Clifford Bottomley Email Clifford_Bottomley@Cargill.com Phone 07775 197169 Thursday 9th September 1999 The British Open Championships 1999 (4 days) @ Saffrons, Eastbourne [Outdoor Ultimate] There will be eight pitches in 99! (Max 32 teams) More details will be issued as and when available. Contact Nolan Taylor Address BritOpen 99 Admin Office 3 Wish Road Eastbourne East Sussex BN21 4NX Email open99@daletaylor.co.uk Fax 01323 430223 Phone 01323 430700 URL http://www.tradeworld.co.uk/open99/ Saturday 18th September 1999 BDGA Golf - A tier tournament (2 days) @ Burnlaw [Golf] Contact Oran Villiers-Stuart Email villiers-stuart@lineone.net Saturday 25th September 1999 Nationals (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Address 81 Bittern Avenue Abbeydale Gloucester GL4 4WG Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Phone 01242 543299 (work) 01452 380529 (home) Saturday 9th October 1999 BDGA Golf: Doubles Matchplay (2 days) @ Ashton Court, Bristol [Golf] Contact Bud Tilton Phone 0117 9268055 Saturday 6th November 1999 BDGA Golf: Singles Matchplay (2 days) @ Quarry Park, Leamington (TBC) [Golf] Contact Andy Lucey Phone 0181 7676766 ---------------------------------------------------------- British Ultimate Federation Disc Events Diary http://www.dcs.warwick.ac.uk/~ralf/bfdf/ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Feb 8 11:22:01 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id LAA09198 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 11:20:56 GMT Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (daffodil [137.205.192.30]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA09179 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 11:20:51 GMT Received: from hotmail.com (wya-lfd96.hotmail.com [207.82.252.160]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA11811 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 11:20:49 GMT Received: (qmail 12228 invoked by uid 0); 8 Feb 1999 11:20:47 -0000 Message-ID: <19990208112047.12227.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 195.11.50.206 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 08 Feb 1999 03:20:47 PST X-Originating-IP: [195.11.50.206] From: "Vanessa White" To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk, Laura.Pearce@uksport.gov.uk, terri@cloe.demon.co.uk, david.whitehead@gs.com Subject: Travelling to Leeds Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 03:20:47 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Is anyone travelling to Leeds from the London area on Friday night (or Saturday morning!) for the Women Nationals, that have a space for one or two in their car. Would you be prepared to take an additional player. Please let me know. Many Thanks Vanessa nessa_white@hotmail.com (work) Vanessa_White@phidelta.demon.co.uk (home) 0171 616 4819 (work) 0181 663 4856 (home) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Feb 8 13:53:49 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id NAA22049 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 13:52:22 GMT Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (daffodil [137.205.192.30]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA22042 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 13:52:19 GMT Received: from hotmail.com (f124.hotmail.com [207.82.251.3]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA27782 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 13:52:18 GMT Received: (qmail 12976 invoked by uid 0); 8 Feb 1999 13:51:55 -0000 Message-ID: <19990208135155.12975.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 134.36.142.167 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 08 Feb 1999 05:51:54 PST X-Originating-IP: [134.36.142.167] From: "Jester Bit" To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Nothern Students only Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 05:51:54 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Were you at Meadowbank for the qualifiers on Saturday and Sunday? Did you accidentally scoop up my water bottle and elbow pads with your gear either in Hall 1 or Hall 3? The bottle is semi clear plasic with a red screw cap and 'Jester' written on the side. The elbow pads are white, a round piece of foam covers the elbow point and lots of smaller bits round it. If you have seen these *please* let me know. ;-) Thanks Bes* Jes* ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Feb 8 15:32:05 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id PAA18592 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 15:30:55 GMT Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (snowdrop [137.205.192.31]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA18574 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 15:30:51 GMT Received: from uk_mail.uksport.gov.uk (mailhost.uksportscouncil.co.uk [193.133.64.161]) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA25451 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 15:30:51 GMT Received: by UK_MAIL with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id <11YG1HK8>; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 15:32:46 -0000 Message-ID: <2F999984CB39D2119A6A00805FC775D135C8FB@UK_MAIL> From: Laura Pearce To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Masters at Clubs - IMPORTANT Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 15:32:02 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Due to a lack of interest in the masters division at clubs, I will be declining the second slot that we originally accepted, unless I hear (before 9:00pm tomorrow, Tuesday) that the 2 slots will definitely be filled. Once declined, it cannot be retrieved. The first slot will be filled by the team that Colin Smith is organising - and anyone interested in playing should contact him. Laura Pearce From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Feb 8 16:01:13 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id QAA26860 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 16:00:19 GMT Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (daffodil [137.205.192.30]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA26843 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 16:00:14 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA11367 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 16:00:09 GMT Received: from [193.195.0.131] (helo=mail-1.sbs.demon.net) by post.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 109t6W-0002IH-00 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 16:00:08 +0000 Received: from sbs1459.customer.demon.com (server01.student-reservations.co.uk) [194.159.222.79] by mail-1.sbs.demon.net with esmtp id 109t6V-0002s1-00; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 16:00:08 +0000 Received: by SERVER01 with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1459.74) id ; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 15:55:44 -0000 Message-ID: From: Max Keogh To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: RE: Masters at Clubs - IMPORTANT Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 15:55:42 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1459.74) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Any Masters out there fancy giving this a go? What about all the old Stan, Violently Happy, Hombres/Gun, boys, etc. If anyone is interested in going for this please mail me back asap. If I get enough interest I'll happily do all the donkey work. Please reply to me before 8:59 tomorrow evening. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Max Keogh Student Reservations Office Tel: +44 1843 227700 Fax: +44 1843 223377 Mobile: 07970 696178 max@student-reservations.co.uk ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ -----Original Message----- From: Laura Pearce [SMTP:Laura.Pearce@uksport.gov.uk] Sent: Monday, February 08, 1999 3:32 PM To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Masters at Clubs - IMPORTANT Due to a lack of interest in the masters division at clubs, I will be declining the second slot that we originally accepted, unless I hear (before 9:00pm tomorrow, Tuesday) that the 2 slots will definitely be filled. Once declined, it cannot be retrieved. The first slot will be filled by the team that Colin Smith is organising - and anyone interested in playing should contact him. Laura Pearce From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Feb 9 11:52:52 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id LAA23435 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 11:48:31 GMT Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (daffodil [137.205.192.30]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA23424 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 11:48:29 GMT Received: from mps1.leeds.ac.uk (mps1.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.16.8]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA16715 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 11:48:28 GMT Received: from west-01.novell.leeds.ac.uk (west-01.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.124.1]) by mps1.leeds.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA01951 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 11:48:25 GMT Received: from LUCS-H21/SpoolDir by west-01.novell.leeds.ac.uk (Mercury 1.43); 9 Feb 99 11:48:25 GMT0BST Received: from SpoolDir by LUCS-H21 (Mercury 1.43); 9 Feb 99 11:47:44 GMT0BST From: "R.E. JACOBS" Organization: University of Leeds To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 11:47:13 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: WOMENS NATIONALS X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.54) Message-ID: <5FE1E1B02C7@west-01.novell.leeds.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Dear all, There are a couple of teams who are still trying to sort out whether they can come or not. I appreciate the problems of getting a team together, especially when people are trying to organise putting a team together from a variety of different clubs. Notwithstanding this, i really can't leave it any later than 5.00pm THURSDAY 11 FEBRUARY for you to confirm what you are doing in order for me to construct a schedule. I am sorry if this makes life difficult for some of you but you should all have had time to sort out a team by now. Teams which i have contacted personally who had expressed an interest can you please get back to me if you have not already done so ie Red/Jesters, No Frills, Scottish team and Portsmouth. Hope to hear from you soon Cheers Rachxxxxxxxx From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Feb 9 14:41:28 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id OAA06917 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 14:37:30 GMT Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (snowdrop [137.205.192.31]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA06896 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 14:37:24 GMT Received: from spuggie.cen.brad.ac.uk (spuggie.cen.brad.ac.uk [143.53.238.24]) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA19341 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 14:37:22 GMT Received: from kite.cen.brad.ac.uk (bjsilcoc@kite.cen.brad.ac.uk [143.53.238.22]) by spuggie.cen.brad.ac.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id OAA14896 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 14:36:50 GMT Received: from localhost (bjsilcoc@localhost) by kite.cen.brad.ac.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id OAA22624 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 14:36:49 GMT Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 14:36:48 +0000 (BST) From: Ben FNBWTRF X-Sender: bjsilcoc@kite.cen.brad.ac.uk Reply-To: Ben FNBWTRF To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Sheffield tournament (Northern open) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk The Tournament in sheffield, that will act as a qualifier for the open indoor nationals, can a sheffield person please give me a hint as to the exact date of the tournament because people need to book time off work as soon as possable. The two probable dates are the 6th and the 13th of march, shich one do I tell people??? Cheers Ben ***************************************************************************** bjsilcoc@bradford.ac.uk (01274) 413650 \|/ o * L _______(OH! MY HEAD) ~ ***************************************************************************** From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Feb 9 16:38:59 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id QAA07942 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 16:35:42 GMT Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (daffodil [137.205.192.30]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA07924 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 16:35:39 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA17247 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 16:35:37 GMT Received: from [193.195.0.131] (helo=mail-1.sbs.demon.net) by post.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10AG8N-0006pO-00 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 16:35:35 +0000 Received: from sbs1459.customer.demon.com (server01.student-reservations.co.uk) [194.159.222.79] by mail-1.sbs.demon.net with esmtp id 10AG8M-0007Gf-00; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 16:35:35 +0000 Received: by SERVER01 with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1459.74) id ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 16:31:21 -0000 Message-ID: From: Max Keogh To: "'britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk'" Subject: RE: Masters at Clubs - IMPORTANT Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 16:31:21 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1459.74) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk I can't believe that I've had such a piss poor response to my posting. Is there really that much apathy amongst the slightly older Ultimate players out there in putting together a second Masters team? This is my final call. If ANYONE wants to play at Worlds please let my know BY RETURN or we will lose the slot. I'm prepared for the rush! Max ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Max Keogh Student Reservations Office Tel: +44 1843 227700 Fax: +44 1843 223377 Mobile: 07970 696178 max@student-reservations.co.uk ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Feb 9 19:26:41 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id TAA11559 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 19:23:27 GMT Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (daffodil [137.205.192.30]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA11547 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 19:23:24 GMT Received: from pp2.shef.ac.uk (pp2.shef.ac.uk [143.167.1.32]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA00817 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 19:23:23 GMT Received: from [143.167.79.249] (helo=pebley.shef.ac.uk) by pp2.shef.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.02 #5) id 10AIkk-00034H-00; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 19:23:22 +0000 Received: from PEBLEY/SpoolDir by pebley.shef.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); 9 Feb 99 19:23:21 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by PEBLEY (Mercury 1.43); 9 Feb 99 19:23:20 +0000 From: "Si Weeks" To: B.J.Silcock@Bradford.ac.uk Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 19:23:14 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Open Indoor Qualifiers - Sheffield CC: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <159633D6E9E@pebley.shef.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Everyone, The Sheffield Open Indoor Qualifiers will be held on the weekend of March 6/7 and will be open to any team from around the country. The tournament will take place at Concorde Sports Hall, Sheffield which is very close to junction 34 of the M1. The sports hall has room for two goodsize pitches and one huge pitch for the concluding games on Sunday. The sports hall also has a large viewing balcony, cheap cafe and cheap bar. Accomodation will be available in Hotels and B&B (lists of which can be provided on request) and also floorspace (on a first come, first served basis only). The party on the Saturday night will be held in a privately hired student bar including a disco, so again cheap beer will prevail. The cost of the tournament will be eighty-five pounds per team with cheques made payable to 'More Than Just A Tournament' and should be sent to the address in the signature of this email. Entries will be accepted in order received. If you have any further questions get in touch, Simon Weeks -------------------------- 74 commonside sheffield s10 1gg tel: 0114 266 2304 email: gga95sew@sheffield.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Feb 9 23:47:24 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id XAA13574 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 23:35:11 GMT Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (snowdrop [137.205.192.31]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA13569 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 23:35:08 GMT Received: from mail-gw1.webleicester.net (mailgate.webleicester.co.uk [195.146.160.12]) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA12809 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 23:35:07 GMT Received: from pii266 (pool-pri1-013.webleicester.co.uk [195.146.164.13]) by mail-gw1.webleicester.net (8.9.1/8.9.0) with SMTP id XAA04268 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 23:35:40 GMT Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 23:42:28 -0000 Message-ID: <01BE5485.DA439BC0.bravil@webleicester.co.uk> From: Ben Ravilious Reply-To: "bravil@webleicester.co.uk" To: "'BRITDISC'" Subject: Superfly? Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 23:40:33 -0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk If ANYONE out there has any connections with Superfly please could they give them an urgent prod. True to form, they are they only team yet to have given me full contact details. I am about to send out the BUF subs letters. I have James Sinclair as their main contact but only via email (which he hasn't replied to) Thanks folks Ben BUF Secretary From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Feb 10 11:40:14 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id LAA25144 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 11:36:13 GMT Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (daffodil [137.205.192.30]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA25127 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 11:36:11 GMT Received: from mps1.leeds.ac.uk (mps1.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.16.8]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA25613 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 11:36:10 GMT Received: from south-02.novell.leeds.ac.uk (south-02.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.76.2]) by mps1.leeds.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA03282 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 11:36:07 GMT Received: from LUCS-H12/SpoolDir by south-02.novell.leeds.ac.uk (Mercury 1.43); 10 Feb 99 11:36:07 GMT0BST Received: from SpoolDir by LUCS-H12 (Mercury 1.43); 10 Feb 99 11:35:53 GMT0BST From: "J.Chewins" Organization: University of Leeds To: Britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 11:35:44 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Student Indoor Finals X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.54) Message-ID: <949DDB1329@south-02.novell.leeds.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Southern and Midland teams: The deadline for receipt of money is the 13th of feb. As the invite said if you have not paid (unless you have been in contact with me if you have had a problem) then your place will be offered to the other teams in your region. So far teams that have paid (or have spoken to me) are: Phat Ed's Skunks Strange Blue Mythago 1+2 No Frills Purple Haze Alien Nation Northern Region As we only played on the weekend you guys still get 2 weeks to pay hence your deadline is the 20th. I know the hassles involved with getting money out of the union (believe me!) so if you have a problem with paying get in touch. Hope to hear from you soon or even better see a cheque. Up the North! Chewy 0113 2242629. 11 (4) Royal Park Road Leeds LS6 1JJ. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Feb 10 12:55:58 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA17978 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 12:53:12 GMT Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (daffodil [137.205.192.30]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA17963 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 12:53:10 GMT Received: from aligrafix.co.uk (merry.aligrafix.co.uk [193.123.31.1]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA09605 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 12:53:08 GMT Received: from pc8 (193.123.31.9) by aligrafix.co.uk with SMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 2.1); Wed, 10 Feb 1999 12:53:06 +0000 Message-ID: <00aa01be54f4$59581210$091f7bc1@pc8.aligrafix.co.uk> From: "Michael Beaton" To: Subject: Re: Open Indoor Qualifiers - Sheffield Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 12:53:25 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Can anyone from Whiplash provide a similar resume for the Milton Keynes qualifier and/or could someone post a list of which of the four qualifiers are on which weekend? Thanks, Mike - Sharks. -----Original Message----- From: Si Weeks To: B.J.Silcock@Bradford.ac.uk Cc: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Tuesday, 09 February 1999 19:37 Subject: Open Indoor Qualifiers - Sheffield Everyone, The Sheffield Open Indoor Qualifiers will be held on the weekend of March 6/7 and will be open to any team from around the country. The tournament will take place at Concorde Sports Hall, Sheffield which is very close to junction 34 of the M1. The sports hall has room for two goodsize pitches and one huge pitch for the concluding games on Sunday. The sports hall also has a large viewing balcony, cheap cafe and cheap bar. Accomodation will be available in Hotels and B&B (lists of which can be provided on request) and also floorspace (on a first come, first served basis only). The party on the Saturday night will be held in a privately hired student bar including a disco, so again cheap beer will prevail. The cost of the tournament will be eighty-five pounds per team with cheques made payable to 'More Than Just A Tournament' and should be sent to the address in the signature of this email. Entries will be accepted in order received. If you have any further questions get in touch, Simon Weeks -------------------------- 74 commonside sheffield s10 1gg tel: 0114 266 2304 email: gga95sew@sheffield.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Feb 10 12:57:46 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA19132 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 12:57:07 GMT Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (snowdrop [137.205.192.31]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA19112 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 12:57:02 GMT From: bob@hottub.demon.co.uk Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA19753 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 12:57:00 GMT Received: from [158.152.195.248] (helo=hottub.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 10AZCD-0005qd-00 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 12:56:55 +0000 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 12:54:37 +0000 Subject: Re: Sheffield tournament (Northern open) X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.30) Message-Id: Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Anyone planning on driving up the M1 to the Sheffield tournament should be aware that the motorway will be closed between junctions 24 and 25 between 7.00pm (note the pm) on Sat 6th and 3.00pm on Sun 7th March. Bob ---------------------------------------------------------- -- Bob Archer bob@hottub.demon.co.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Feb 10 13:54:11 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id NAA03718 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 13:51:59 GMT Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (daffodil [137.205.192.30]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA03690 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 13:51:55 GMT Received: from venus.open.ac.uk (venus.open.ac.uk [137.108.143.2]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA19636 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 13:51:54 GMT Received: from bell.open.ac.uk by venus with SMTP Local (MMTA v2.2) with ESMTP; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 13:41:05 +0000 Received: by bell.open.ac.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id <1TRDH57R>; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 13:41:02 -0000 Message-ID: <594E1092E805D211843F0000F830ED27025A567A@bell.open.ac.uk> From: "M.J.Jefferson" To: "'Britdisc'" Subject: MK Regionals Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 13:39:37 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id NAA03694 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Dear Britdisc I had no plans to announce any information on Britdisc - everything needed by teams to make an informed decision about where they want to go should be in the BUF invites. But, by popular demand: Place: Stantonbury Campus, Milton Keynes (walking distance from the Cows) Venue: 2 Halls, bar, swimming pool, huge viewing gallery (hall1 only) greasy spoon, vertical tanning..... Date: 13th & 14th March Teams will play EITHER Sat. AM or Sat. PM. Milton Keynes nightlife must be seen to be believed. Get yourself in papers / news / magazines. Help promote our great sport in one of the most supportive authorities in the UK. Get pissed. Floor space will be allocated by distance and poverty i.e. student teams from the Isle of White get preference. Beyond that, accommodation in MK is of a good standard and reasonable cost. I am catering for 24 teams at a cost of £70 per team. DO NOT SEND ANY MONEY NOW! I will only accept entries on BUF entry forms with a cheque enclosed. One last thing I would like to say - the nature of the regionals this year makes it very difficult to anticipate entry. Please bear in mind the locations of other regionals and other teams when deciding which tournament to apply to, and how many teams to enter. Mark Whiplash The two most beautiful words in the English language are "check enclosed." - Dorothy Parker > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Beaton [SMTP:mike.beaton@aligrafix.co.uk] > Sent: 10 February 1999 12:53 > To: britdisc > Subject: Re: Open Indoor Qualifiers - Sheffield > > Can anyone from Whiplash provide a similar resume for the Milton Keynes > qualifier and/or could someone post a list of which of the four qualifiers > are on which weekend? > > Thanks, > Mike - Sharks. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Si Weeks > To: B.J.Silcock@Bradford.ac.uk > Cc: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk > Date: Tuesday, 09 February 1999 19:37 > Subject: Open Indoor Qualifiers - Sheffield > > > Everyone, > > The Sheffield Open Indoor Qualifiers will be held on the weekend of > March 6/7 and will be open to any team from around the country. The > tournament will take place at Concorde Sports Hall, Sheffield > which is very close to junction 34 of the M1. > > The sports hall has room for two goodsize pitches and one huge pitch > for the concluding games on Sunday. The sports hall also has a > large viewing balcony, cheap cafe and cheap bar. > > Accomodation will be available in Hotels and B&B (lists of which can be > provided on request) and also floorspace (on a first come, first > served basis only). > > The party on the Saturday night will be held in a privately hired student > bar > including a disco, so again cheap beer will prevail. > > The cost of the tournament will be eighty-five pounds per team with > cheques made payable to 'More Than Just A Tournament' and should be > sent to the address in the signature of this email. Entries will be > accepted in order received. > > If you have any further questions get in touch, > > Simon Weeks > > -------------------------- > 74 commonside > sheffield > s10 1gg > tel: 0114 266 2304 > email: gga95sew@sheffield.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Feb 10 13:55:40 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id NAA05012 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 13:55:11 GMT Received: from primrose (ecumu@primrose [137.205.192.26]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA05004 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 13:55:09 GMT Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 13:55:08 +0000 (BST) From: Mike Clements To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Warwick Tournament - Open invite Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id NAA05005 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi everyone, There is one space free at the Warwick indoors this weekend. Anyone want to fill it? Since time is running short I'll give the place to the first team that replies! The saturday night party will consist of beers and food at the New Varsity pub (just off campus) followed by crazy dancing and cheap beer at the Valentines Ball in the Students Union. Tickets for the ball will (unfortuantly) be £5 each but has the added attraction of (allegedly) live performances by 911 and Another Level (what- no Steps I hear you cry!). Dress informal. Thus, the cost of the tournament will be £65 for the tournament fee + £5 for each ball ticket. Just pay me on the day! Please reply ASAP! Cheers (sorry about the late notice), Percy. Warwick Bears. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Feb 10 19:44:41 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id TAA01185 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 19:40:59 GMT Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (snowdrop [137.205.192.31]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA01172 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 19:40:57 GMT Received: from mail9.svr.pol.co.uk (mail9.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.22]) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA23871 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 19:40:56 GMT Received: from modem-24.emperor.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.116.24] helo=vaio-note) by mail9.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 10AfVG-0005Jq-00 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 19:40:54 +0000 Message-ID: <001801be552d$88f37b20$1874883e@vaio-note> From: "Hannah Easter" To: "BritDisc" Subject: Womens Ultimate Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 19:40:55 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0013_01BE552D.464B93C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01BE552D.464B93C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just a quick mail, to winge about womens commitment. Womens nationals was put on in the north to make travelling easier and = hopefully allow more people to just drop in and form a pick up team. >From what I here there have been many teams pull out for various = reasons, but if you are taking a team, put the organisers out of their = misery and let them know one way or another. I'm sure that they would appreciate any help or information. For those people that are going, I hope you are all ready to party!! Regards Hannah =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01BE552D.464B93C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Just a quick mail, to winge about = womens=20 commitment.
Womens nationals was put on in the = north to make=20 travelling easier and hopefully allow more people to just drop in and = form a=20 pick up team.
From what I here there have been many teams pull out = for=20 various reasons, but if you are taking a team, put the organisers out of = their=20 misery and let them know one way or another.
I'm sure that = they would=20 appreciate any help or information.
For those = people that are=20 going, I hope you are all ready to party!!
Regards
Hannah
 
------=_NextPart_000_0013_01BE552D.464B93C0-- From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Feb 11 10:59:48 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA02629 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 10:56:20 GMT Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (snowdrop [137.205.192.31]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA02589 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 10:56:15 GMT Received: from mercury.king.ac.uk (mercury.king.ac.uk [141.241.4.24]) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA01995 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 10:56:10 GMT Received: from atlas.king.ac.uk (actually host fad.king.ac.uk) by mercury.king.ac.uk with SMTP (MMTA 2) with ESMTP; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 10:55:43 +0000 Received: from TE0/SpoolDir by atlas.king.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); 11 Feb 99 10:55:43 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by TE0 (Mercury 1.44); 11 Feb 99 10:03:16 +0000 From: Wendy SMITH Organization: Kingston University To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 11:52:04 GMT0BST Subject: Brugge X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.40) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Does anyone have any information on the tournament in Brugge? Contact name, cost, dates, times, etc. All information will be greatly received Wendy From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Feb 11 14:46:48 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id OAA29481 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 14:42:23 GMT Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (snowdrop [137.205.192.31]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA29475 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 14:42:21 GMT Received: from pp2.shef.ac.uk (pp2.shef.ac.uk [143.167.1.32]) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA20478 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 14:42:20 GMT Received: from [143.167.79.249] (helo=pebley.shef.ac.uk) by pp2.shef.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.02 #5) id 10AxJq-0003bB-00 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 14:42:18 +0000 Received: from PEBLEY/SpoolDir by pebley.shef.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); 11 Feb 99 14:42:17 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by PEBLEY (Mercury 1.43); 11 Feb 99 14:42:09 +0000 From: "Si Weeks" To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 14:42:01 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Sheffield tournament (Northern open) X-mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.31 Message-ID: <184B5EB72E5@pebley.shef.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk > Anyone planning on driving up the M1 to the Sheffield tournament > should be aware that the motorway will be closed between junctions 24 > and 25 between 7.00pm (note the pm) on Sat 6th and 3.00pm on Sun 7th > March. If it is only closed from 7pm Saturday evening until 3pm Sunday afternoon then this should not affect any travel arrangements. So just do it, bless Sheffield with your presence. Si Weeks. -------------------------- 74 commonside sheffield s10 1gg tel: 0114 266 2304 email: gga95sew@sheffield.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Feb 11 15:06:55 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id PAA05760 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 15:05:27 GMT Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (snowdrop [137.205.192.31]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA05747 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 15:05:24 GMT Received: from beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk (beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.129.138]) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA22298 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 15:05:23 GMT Received: from cedar.sucs.soton.ac.uk (cedar.sucs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.128.92]) by beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.8/relay-02) with ESMTP id PAA16852 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 15:05:21 GMT Received: from b62a-08.sucs.soton.ac.uk (b62a-08.sucs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.237.136]) by cedar.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.8/relay-02) with SMTP id OAA27840 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 14:53:02 GMT From: Suze Reply-To: scp195@soton.ac.uk To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Womens nationals Message-ID: Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 15:01:12 +0000 (GMT) X-Mailer: Simeon for Windows Version 4.1.4 Build (40) X-Authentication: none MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi, If woman is teamless for the tourne this weekend Skunks would love to have you join them. If you are stuck for a lift between Soton and Leeds we can help you out - and I'm afaid that isn't an open invitation to opposing team members as I can't take too many random bods on university minibuses! Cheers Suze (Skunks) ---------------------- Suze scp195@soton.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Feb 11 15:39:07 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id PAA14075 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 15:36:55 GMT Received: from primrose (ecumu@primrose [137.205.192.26]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA14065 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 15:36:53 GMT Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 15:36:51 +0000 (BST) From: Mike Clements To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Warwick Tournament - FULL Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Just to let everyone know that the Warwick Tournament is now full. Thanks to everyone who was trying to get teams together at the last minute and my apologies to any teams that wanted to come and couldn't. In anyone is interested the tournament website is at: www.warwick.ac.uk/~suazz/tour99/ and will have a full report plus pictures. Cheers, Percy Warwick Bears From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Feb 11 15:43:27 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id PAA15790 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 15:42:56 GMT Received: from primrose (ecumu@primrose [137.205.192.26]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA15747 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 15:42:51 GMT Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 15:42:50 +0000 (BST) From: Mike Clements To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Warwick indoors website Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Sorry everyone, The website address should have been: www.warwick.ac.uk/~suaaz/tour99/ Percy Bears From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Feb 11 15:49:39 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id PAA17142 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 15:48:14 GMT Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (snowdrop [137.205.192.31]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA17104 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 15:48:10 GMT Received: from mail.alphagraphics.co.uk (mail.alphagraphics.co.uk [195.92.54.18]) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA25870 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 15:48:06 GMT Received: from mimesweeper.pindar.co.uk by mail.alphagraphics.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-relay-2.csv.warwick.ac.uk [137.205.128.8]) with SMTP; 11 Feb 1999 15:46:04 UT Received: from firewall.pindar.co.uk (unverified) by mimesweeper.pindar.com (Content Technologies SMTPRS 2.0.15) with SMTP id for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 15:44:52 +0000 Message-Id: Received: from mail-eastfield.pindar.com by firewall.pindar.co.uk via smtpd (for mimesweeper.pindar.co.uk [195.92.54.26]) with SMTP; 11 Feb 1999 15:45:51 UT Received: from DON.PINDAR.COM by 194.193.232.240 with SMTP (1.0); 11 FEB 99 15:50:08 UT Date: 11 Feb 99 15:47:29 +0000 From: Don Sinclair Subject: tf@pindar.co.uk To: "britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk" X-Mailer: QuickMail Pro 1.5.2 (Windows32) X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: Don Sinclair Disposition-Notification-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-Ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id PAA17117 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk No user exists for tf@pindar.co.uk Please amend your records Postmaster@Pindar.com ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. 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If you have received this email in error please notify; postmaster@pindar.com http://www.pindar.com ********************************************************************** From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Feb 12 16:16:26 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id QAA14966 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 16:14:43 GMT Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (daffodil [137.205.192.30]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA14930 for ; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 16:14:37 GMT Received: from send203.yahoomail.com (send203.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.127]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id QAA26688 for ; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 16:14:29 GMT Message-ID: <19990212161527.29540.rocketmail@send203.yahoomail.com> Received: from [194.130.202.93] by send203.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 08:15:27 PST Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 08:15:27 -0800 (PST) From: Alex Bowers Subject: Grand Mohawk Reunion To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Could anyone who has ever played for the Mohawks at any stage of their career please contact me regarding a Reunion Weekend in June 1999. Thanks Alex Bowers [please email to alex.bowers@kerryfoods.co.uk] _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Feb 15 07:49:00 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id HAA12205 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 15 Feb 1999 07:47:04 GMT Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (snowdrop [137.205.192.31]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA12200 for ; Mon, 15 Feb 1999 07:47:03 GMT Received: from gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (gem [137.205.227.1]) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA24313 for ; Mon, 15 Feb 1999 07:47:02 GMT Received: (from serai@localhost) by gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id HAA08229 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Mon, 15 Feb 1999 07:47:01 GMT Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 07:47:01 GMT From: Dave Neilson Message-Id: <199902150747.HAA08229@gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: BUF Events Reminder Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk British Ultimate Federation Disc Events Diary --------------------------------------------- The events list can also be found at http://www.dcs.warwick.ac.uk/~ralf/bfdf/ ---------- Saturday 27th February 1999 National Student Indoors (2 days) @ Leeds [Students' Indoor Ultimate] TD Jon Chewins Email bgy6jgc@South-02.novell.leeds.ac.uk Saturday 6th March 1999 Indoor Regionals (2 days) [Indoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Address 81 Bittern Avenue Abbeydale Gloucester GL4 4WG Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Phone 01242 543299 (work) 01452 380529 (home) Saturday 13th March 1999 BDGA Golf - A tier tournament (2 days) @ Essex University, Colchester [Golf] Contact Andy Lucey Phone 0181 7676766 Indoor Regionals (2 days) [Indoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Address 81 Bittern Avenue Abbeydale Gloucester GL4 4WG Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Phone 01242 543299 (work) 01452 380529 (home) Saturday 20th March 1999 Indoor Nationals (2 days) [Indoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Address 81 Bittern Avenue Abbeydale Gloucester GL4 4WG Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Phone 01242 543299 (work) 01452 380529 (home) Saturday 27th March 1999 BDGA Golf: Bristol Spring Fling (2 days) @ Ashton Court, Bristol [Golf] Contact Bud Tilton Phone 0117 9268055 Red Outdoors (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Leicester Ultimate Club (Red) Address PO Box 1075 Leicester LE2 1YQ Email red@ultimateweb.co.uk Phone 0116 2559638 (Ben Ravilious) Saturday 10th April 1999 BDGA Golf: Quarry Park Matchplay (2 days) @ Quarry Park, Leamington [Golf] Contact Derek Robins Email D.J.Robins@admin.warwick.ac.uk Tour I (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Address 81 Bittern Avenue Abbeydale Gloucester GL4 4WG Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Phone 01242 543299 (work) 01452 380529 (home) Saturday 17th April 1999 Dublin Outdoors (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Peter Bennison Email pbennison@sepro.ie Saturday 1st May 1999 BDGA Golf: Scottish Open - A tier tournament (2 days) @ Isle of Mull, Scotland [Golf] Contact Guy Bolton Phone 01688 500249 Student Outdoors (2 days) @ Bakewell, Derbyshire [Students' Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Simon Weeks Address 74 Commonside Sheffeild S10 1GG Email gga95sew@sheffield.ac.uk Phone 0114 266 2304 Brugge: "7th International Tournament" (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate Abroad] Please reply before February 15th to one of the contacts. Contact Glenn Nolf Address Viaduktstraat 6 B8000 Brugge Email Glenn@km.be Fax + 32 59 552780 Phone + 32 50 311705 URL http://www.brugge.com/freezzzbeezzz/ Contact Jan Loontiens Address Zwagershullestraat 7 B9881 Bellem Fax + 32 9 3728614 Phone + 32 9 3750695 Saturday 8th May 1999 Tour II (2 days) @ Sheffield [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Address 81 Bittern Avenue Abbeydale Gloucester GL4 4WG Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Phone 01242 543299 (work) 01452 380529 (home) Thursday 13th May 1999 Rotterdam (4 days) TBC [Outdoor Ultimate Abroad] Saturday 22nd May 1999 BDGA Golf - B tier tournament (2 days) @ Hayling Island [Golf] Contact Dan Massey Email dmassey@westsussex.gov.uk Saturday 5th June 1999 Tour III (2 days) @ Edinburgh [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Address 81 Bittern Avenue Abbeydale Gloucester GL4 4WG Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Phone 01242 543299 (work) 01452 380529 (home) Saturday 12th June 1999 BDGA Golf - A tier tournament (2 days) @ Quarry Park, Leamington [Golf] Contact Derek Robins Email D.J.Robins@admin.warwick.ac.uk Fiesta (2 days) TBC [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Andrew Orr-Ewing Email A.Orr-Ewing@bristol.ac.uk Phone (0117) 9287672 Saturday 26th June 1999 BDGA Golf - B tier tournament (2 days) @ Ashton Court, Bristol [Golf] Contact Bud Tilton Phone 0117 9268055 Tour IV (2 days) @ Southampton [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Address 81 Bittern Avenue Abbeydale Gloucester GL4 4WG Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Phone 01242 543299 (work) 01452 380529 (home) Saturday 17th July 1999 Tour V (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Address 81 Bittern Avenue Abbeydale Gloucester GL4 4WG Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Phone 01242 543299 (work) 01452 380529 (home) Saturday 24th July 1999 BDGA Golf: British Open - A tier tournament (2 days) @ Whitcombe Farm, Dorset [Golf] Contact Toby Green Email toby.green@ibm.net Ross on Wye (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 7th August 1999 Worlds (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate Abroad] Saturday 14th August 1999 Worlds (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate Abroad] Saturday 28th August 1999 BDGA Golf - B tier tournament (2 days) @ TBA, Scotland [Golf] Contact Liam Young Email liamyoung@bigfoot.com Lurkers Tournie (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Clifford Bottomley Email Clifford_Bottomley@Cargill.com Phone 07775 197169 Thursday 9th September 1999 The British Open Championships 1999 (4 days) @ Saffrons, Eastbourne [Outdoor Ultimate] There will be eight pitches in 99! (Max 32 teams) More details will be issued as and when available. Contact Nolan Taylor Address BritOpen 99 Admin Office 3 Wish Road Eastbourne East Sussex BN21 4NX Email open99@daletaylor.co.uk Fax 01323 430223 Phone 01323 430700 URL http://www.tradeworld.co.uk/open99/ Saturday 18th September 1999 BDGA Golf - A tier tournament (2 days) @ Burnlaw [Golf] Contact Oran Villiers-Stuart Email villiers-stuart@lineone.net Saturday 25th September 1999 Nationals (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Address 81 Bittern Avenue Abbeydale Gloucester GL4 4WG Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Phone 01242 543299 (work) 01452 380529 (home) Saturday 9th October 1999 BDGA Golf: Doubles Matchplay (2 days) @ Ashton Court, Bristol [Golf] Contact Bud Tilton Phone 0117 9268055 Saturday 6th November 1999 BDGA Golf: Singles Matchplay (2 days) @ Quarry Park, Leamington (TBC) [Golf] Contact Andy Lucey Phone 0181 7676766 ---------------------------------------------------------- British Ultimate Federation Disc Events Diary http://www.dcs.warwick.ac.uk/~ralf/bfdf/ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Feb 15 18:56:53 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id SAA09715 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 15 Feb 1999 18:55:50 GMT Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (daffodil [137.205.192.30]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA09709 for ; Mon, 15 Feb 1999 18:55:48 GMT Received: from hotmail.com (f221.hotmail.com [207.82.251.112]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id SAA07238 for ; Mon, 15 Feb 1999 18:55:47 GMT Received: (qmail 15885 invoked by uid 0); 15 Feb 1999 18:55:42 -0000 Message-ID: <19990215185542.15884.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 193.61.111.90 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 15 Feb 1999 10:55:42 PST X-Originating-IP: [193.61.111.90] From: "Chris Hughes" To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Student Development Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 10:55:42 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk On the Satuday evening of the Student Indoor Nationals in Leeds we`ll be having a dinner where anyone who wants to contribute to the direction that Student Ultimate should be heading is invited, can you contact myself or Chewy so that we can advise the restaurant of how many will be seated. If anyone has any ideas that they would like to be brought up in the meeting, whether they can attend or not, can you E-Mail me as I`m putting together the Agenda. It is hoped that a representative from each of the teams playing in the tournee will be there, so ideas can flow quickly to teams for a response at the tournee itself. Cheers Beardy ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Feb 16 11:58:44 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id LAA02439 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 16 Feb 1999 11:56:05 GMT Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (snowdrop [137.205.192.31]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA02419 for ; Tue, 16 Feb 1999 11:56:01 GMT Received: from pandora.computing-service.plymouth.ac.uk (plymouth.ac.uk [141.163.2.62]) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA09243 for ; Tue, 16 Feb 1999 11:56:00 GMT Received: from csuf43.csd.plym.ac.uk ([141.163.188.1]) by pandora.computing-service.plymouth.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.11 #1) id 10Cj6g-00078t-01 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Tue, 16 Feb 1999 11:56:02 +0000 Received: from CSUF43/SpoolDir by csuf43.csd.plym.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); 16 Feb 99 11:49:59 GMT Received: from SpoolDir by CSUF43 (Mercury 1.44); 16 Feb 99 11:49:49 GMT From: "Ell" Organization: University of Plymouth To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 11:49:49 GMT Subject: Plymouth Open Qualifier Message-ID: <20FB4FD5968@csuf43.csd.plym.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi everyone, I don`t know if teams have received registration forms for the qualifiers yet, but could anyone that is interested in coming to our tournie let me know so I can gauge numbers. So far I have heard from Uriel and Night Fever, and I will send more information to anyone that wants it. Cheers, Mark (Picnic) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Feb 16 17:11:39 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id RAA07848 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 16 Feb 1999 17:08:47 GMT Received: from primrose (ecumu@primrose [137.205.192.26]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA07837; Tue, 16 Feb 1999 17:08:43 GMT Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 17:08:41 +0000 (BST) From: Mike Clements To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk cc: Mr M L Clements Subject: Warwick indoors results Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Results from the Warwick indoors last weekend.... In reverse order, 14. Bears 3 13. Bears 4 12. Fingers 6 11. Red 10. Mwnci See 9. Mud Culture PLATE 8. Bears 2 7. Substance Abuse 6. Slipdisc 5. Whiplash 4. Fifth Element 3. Blue Arse Flies 2. CCA 1. Bears 1 SPIRIT: Substance Abuse Final: Bears 10 - 9 CCA MVP: ( Judged by Chris Hughes, Merrick Cardew and Richard Smart) -Tom Borum (Bears 1) Thanks to everyone who came down to Warwick - especially the Scottish and Welsh contingent who I'm told got up somewhere in the region of 4.30am! Photos and report will be posted on the tournament website in the next couple of days at: www.warwick.ac.uk/~suaaz/tour99/ See you all at the nationals! Percy Warwick Bears -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Feb 16 17:16:21 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id RAA09372 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 16 Feb 1999 17:15:51 GMT Received: from primrose (ecumu@primrose [137.205.192.26]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA09364 for ; Tue, 16 Feb 1999 17:15:49 GMT Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 17:15:47 +0000 (BST) From: Mike Clements To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Warwick Tournament - lost property Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Found after the weekend: - Medium / large navy blue tracksuit bottoms (Reebok) - Small blue tracksuit bottoms (Hi-tec) - One blue long-sleeve 1997 (?) Bears top (the one with the dying bears on the back) - Two pocket sized umbrellas - One Ruth Rendall novel complete with Valentines card to Beth used as a bookmark! - One white towel - Various odd socks including a pair of light blue "Cat" socks and one yellow Umbro. Any claimants? Percy Warwick Bears. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Feb 17 10:27:04 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA12838 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 10:25:40 GMT Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (daffodil [137.205.192.30]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA12806 for ; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 10:25:35 GMT Received: from spuggie.cen.brad.ac.uk (spuggie.cen.brad.ac.uk [143.53.238.24]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA08745 for ; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 10:25:34 GMT Received: from kite.cen.brad.ac.uk (bjsilcoc@kite.cen.brad.ac.uk [143.53.238.22]) by spuggie.cen.brad.ac.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id KAA09189 for ; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 10:25:31 GMT Received: from localhost (bjsilcoc@localhost) by kite.cen.brad.ac.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id KAA07426 for ; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 10:25:28 GMT Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 10:25:27 +0000 (BST) From: Is it Ben? X-Sender: bjsilcoc@kite.cen.brad.ac.uk To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Question for BUF Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk BUF type people I don't have to send that National Indoor qualifiyer entry form off with my entry to the regional qualifier do I?? Its just I sent off my entry before I recieved that big information pack that you sent me! Its not in the rules or somthing is it? I have e-mailed the TD with the information on the form but I suppose if I have to send it aswell I can! Cheers Ben Silcock Bradford Disciples ***************************************************************************** bjsilcoc@bradford.ac.uk (01274) 413650 \|/ o * L _______(OH! MY HEAD) ~ ***************************************************************************** From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Feb 17 10:40:51 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA16064 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 10:39:44 GMT Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (snowdrop [137.205.192.31]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA16054 for ; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 10:39:42 GMT Received: from arthur.selector.org (arthur.selector.org [212.240.124.210]) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA23548 for ; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 10:39:41 GMT Received: by arthur.selector.org; id KAA24979; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 10:31:22 GMT Received: from unknown(10.51.1.50) by arthur.selector.org via smap (4.1) id xma024906; Wed, 17 Feb 99 10:30:27 GMT Received: by EURMAILHUB with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id <1V9PXWMR>; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 10:36:14 -0000 Message-ID: From: "Ziants, Wayne" To: "'Britdisc'" Subject: GB Masters trials/training Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 10:36:25 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="---- =_NextPart_001_01BE5A61.57B25E6C" Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------ =_NextPart_001_01BE5A61.57B25E6C Content-Type: text/plain Can anyone shed any light on the provisionally-booked Masters training thing this weekend. Colin is being strangely quiet at the moment. (Or is there a hint I should be taking?) Cheers Wayne (Eligible for Masters as of Sunday 21st February!) -----Original Message----- From: Sick Boy [SMTP:k967338@kingston.ac.uk] Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 1999 2:32 PM To: Scott@webleicester.net; Arfon.Jones@camcon.co.uk; mackay@keck.ucsf.edu; nolan@daletaylor.co.uk; RJSaunders@compuserve.com; C.M.Hinton@open.ac.uk; kevin.lowe@infogrames.co.uk; S.Sheppard@ftel.co.uk; ian.stebbing@uk.pwcglobal.com; britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Masters Team for World Clubs I would like to provisionally book Sunday 21st February for a get-together/practice (maybe against another team), so that we can plan the odd tournament appearance and friendly game over the next few months. Venue and hour to be confirmed. ------ =_NextPart_001_01BE5A61.57B25E6C Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable GB Masters trials/training

Can anyone shed any light on = the provisionally-booked Masters training thing this weekend.  = Colin is being strangely quiet at the moment.  (Or is there a hint = I should be taking?)

Cheers
Wayne
(Eligible for Masters as of = Sunday 21st February!)

-----Original Message-----
From:   Sick Boy [SMTP:k967338@kingston.ac.uk]
Sent:   Wednesday, January 13, 1999 2:32 PM
To:     Scott@webleicester.net; Arfon.Jones@camcon.co.uk; = mackay@keck.ucsf.edu; nolan@daletaylor.co.uk; = RJSaunders@compuserve.com; C.M.Hinton@open.ac.uk; = kevin.lowe@infogrames.co.uk; S.Sheppard@ftel.co.uk; = ian.stebbing@uk.pwcglobal.com; britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk

Subject:       = Masters Team for World Clubs

I would like to = provisionally book Sunday 21st February for a
get-together/practice (maybe against another team), so = that we can
plan the odd = tournament appearance and friendly game over the next
few months. Venue = and hour to be confirmed.

------ =_NextPart_001_01BE5A61.57B25E6C-- From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Feb 17 11:45:30 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id LAA01268 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 11:43:59 GMT Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (snowdrop [137.205.192.31]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA01249 for ; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 11:43:55 GMT Received: from mail6.svr.pol.co.uk (mail6.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.212]) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA02469 for ; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 11:43:54 GMT Received: from modem-4.hyalgan.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.71.4] helo=vaio-note) by mail6.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 10D5OR-0005uS-00 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 11:43:51 +0000 Message-ID: <000801be5a6b$0cf2ecc0$0447883e@vaio-note> From: "Hannah Easter" To: "BritDisc" Subject: Womens Nationals Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 11:44:02 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01BE5A6A.D0F80160" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BE5A6A.D0F80160 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I would like to put out a quick message about Nationals. Thankyou to all those teams that did participate, it was good to see so = many beginners improving throughout the weekend. Thanks again to the organiser Rachel Jacobs and Chewy and Ian who scored = the games, (most of the time they even got it right Ian!!!) It was a shame that some other more experienced players could not make = the tournament, to enable more games to be played, but to those who went = well done! Hope that the fun fair didnot make to many people ill!! (Helen & Sarah). I hope that others enjoyed the games as much as me, and congrats to = Fierce for a great final Cheers Hannah (WiB) ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BE5A6A.D0F80160 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I would like to put out a quick = message about=20 Nationals.
 
Thankyou to all those teams that did = participate, it was good to see so many beginners improving throughout = the=20 weekend.
 
Thanks again to the organiser Rachel = Jacobs and=20 Chewy and Ian who scored the games, (most of the time they even got it = right=20 Ian!!!)
 
It was a shame that some other more = experienced=20 players could not make the tournament, to enable more games to be = played, but to=20 those who went well done!
 
Hope that the fun fair didnot make = to many=20 people ill!! (Helen & Sarah).
 
I hope that others enjoyed the games = as much as=20 me, and congrats to Fierce for a great final
 
Cheers
Hannah   =20 (WiB)
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BE5A6A.D0F80160-- From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Feb 17 12:15:49 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA08635 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 12:13:41 GMT Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (snowdrop [137.205.192.31]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA08618 for ; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 12:13:37 GMT Received: from exchpk02.chelt.ac.uk (exchpk02.chelt.ac.uk [194.66.194.6]) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA07491 for ; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 12:13:36 GMT Received: by exchpk02.chelt.ac.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 12:13:11 -0000 Message-ID: <8102C4585310D211858D0060B01A41337ED2A0@exchpk02.chelt.ac.uk> From: "HUGHES, Chris" To: "'Is it Ben?'" , britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: RE: Question for BUF Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 12:13:10 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk The intention was YES. This then gave everyone an equal chance to get to regionals, and not have it depend on who you know. However if you speak to the TD you sent it to and they are happen then top marks for awareness and use of initiative. If not, then scribble out another envelope. Chris Hughes (DoC) (Bit of stubble, no beard, and under no circumstances 'yo!') -----Original Message----- From: Is it Ben? [SMTP:B.J.Silcock@Bradford.ac.uk] Sent: 17 February 1999 10:25 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Question for BUF BUF type people I don't have to send that National Indoor qualifiyer entry form off with my entry to the regional qualifier do I?? Its just I sent off my entry before I recieved that big information pack that you sent me! Its not in the rules or somthing is it? I have e-mailed the TD with the information on the form but I suppose if I have to send it aswell I can! Cheers Ben Silcock Bradford Disciples **************************************************************************** * bjsilcoc@bradford.ac.uk (01274) 413650 \|/ o * L _______(OH! MY HEAD) ~ **************************************************************************** * From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Feb 17 14:04:28 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id OAA02164 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 14:03:27 GMT Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (snowdrop [137.205.192.31]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA02158 for ; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 14:03:25 GMT Received: from kestrel.mcg.gla.ac.uk (kestrel.mcg.gla.ac.uk [130.209.192.8]) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA21559 for ; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 14:03:24 GMT Received: from mcg1.mcg.gla.ac.uk (mcg1.mcg.gla.ac.uk [130.209.192.26]) by kestrel.mcg.gla.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA17551 for ; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 13:57:31 GMT Received: from MCG1/SpoolDir by mcg1.mcg.gla.ac.uk (Mercury 1.40); 17 Feb 99 14:03:22 +1100 Received: from SpoolDir by MCG1 (Mercury 1.40); 17 Feb 99 14:03:17 +1100 From: "Elisabeth Katsavras" Organization: Multimedia Communications Group To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 14:03:17 gmt+1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Substance Abuse Party Tops X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.40) Message-ID: Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk ------------------------------------------------------- Substance Abuse are taking Steps to meet popular demand. To all you people that adored the Substance Abuse shirts, modelled this past weekend in Warwick, and approached us asking for one of your very own, they are now on general sale: Long and short sleeved navy t-shirts (red nail polish and silver glitter not included) are being sold for 11 and 9 pounds, respectively. If interested, reply in the strictest of confidence to this message; we guarantee discreet delivery in an unmarked envelope to ensure the secrecy of your newly discovered fetish. Reply today - it would be a "tragedy" not to... ------------------------------------------------------------ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Feb 17 14:44:56 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id OAA10385 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 14:43:40 GMT Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (daffodil [137.205.192.30]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA10380 for ; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 14:43:39 GMT Received: from mps1.leeds.ac.uk (mps1.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.16.8]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA05438 for ; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 14:43:38 GMT Received: from south-02.novell.leeds.ac.uk (south-02.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.76.2]) by mps1.leeds.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA25161 for ; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 14:43:36 GMT Received: from LUCS-H12/SpoolDir by south-02.novell.leeds.ac.uk (Mercury 1.43); 17 Feb 99 14:43:37 GMT0BST Received: from SpoolDir by LUCS-H12 (Mercury 1.43); 17 Feb 99 14:43:08 GMT0BST From: "J.Chewins" Organization: University of Leeds To: Britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 14:42:40 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Student Nationals X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.54) Message-ID: <13FC2027925@south-02.novell.leeds.ac.uk> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-printable to 8bit by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id OAA10381 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Teams The deadline of the 20th is now very close and i STILL have not recieved cheques from several teams. You have only three days left to get a cheque to me or i will open your places to other teams. This may seem a little harsh, but you have had two or three weeks to pay and in my view if you can't be arsed to pay then you aren't really that concerned about coming. Teams that still have not paid: Ow! No Frills Imperial Sorcerers Fish Ro Sham Bo Jesters Northern Teams: If you have a problem with paying get in touch with me. I extended the deadline for some of the southern and midland teams, so it is only fair that i do the same for you. Tournament Entry fee is £75 Cheques payable to L.U.U.Ultimate Frisbee Send cheques to: John Chewins 11 (4) Royal Park Road Leeds LS6 1JJ 0113 2242629 While on the subject of Nationals, Beardy's idea for a meal and a chat is a great one. I hope that each team will send a representative to the meeting. As you people are the ones who will be having to eat the meal i thought i would give you some choice on where we go! 1) (My Choice!) Old Orleans. Steak house type thing which is a cocktail bar aswell. Slightly pricey, but good food and quiet. 2) Cafe Rouge. French restaurant, very nice food. Expensive! 3) Nafees. Curry house. Good place to have a chat. Cheap curry. 4) Fioris. Italian restaurant. Average prices for a meal, possibly slightly loud if we are trying to chat. 5) Any others if people don't like those. There are loads of places to eat in Leeds. Please, please get your cheques to me. As soon as i have recieved your cheque you will be sent your maps and info. If anyone has sent their cheque but not recieved information e mail me. Cheers Chewy From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Feb 17 16:21:37 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id QAA00994 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 16:20:15 GMT Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (snowdrop [137.205.192.31]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA00976 for ; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 16:20:13 GMT Received: from haymarket.ed.ac.uk (haymarket.ed.ac.uk [129.215.128.53]) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA08031 for ; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 16:20:12 GMT Received: from srv0.bio.ed.ac.uk (srv0.bio.ed.ac.uk [129.215.136.240]) by haymarket.ed.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA13165 for ; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 16:20:08 GMT Received: from BIO-SRV0/SpoolDir by srv0.bio.ed.ac.uk (Mercury 1.31); 17 Feb 99 16:20:08 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by BIO-SRV0 (Mercury 1.31); 17 Feb 99 16:19:45 +0000 From: "James McDonald" Organization: Edinburgh University To: Britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 16:19:41 +0000 Subject: Northen Student Indoor Qualifiers Reply-to: James.McDonald@ed.ac.uk Message-ID: <2215844762@srv0.bio.ed.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk First of all sorry that this report is late, but I've been off with 'flu since the tournament - anyways for those that are interested, the final placings for the northern students indoors are as follows:- 16 Shooting Stars 2 (Spoon) 15 Petroleum 14 Flying Sourcerors 2 13 Far Flung 2 12 Disciples 11 Shooting Stars 1 10 Ro Sham Bo 3 9 Reservoir Fish 2 (Plate) 8 Ro Sham Bo 4 7 Northern Lights 6 Far Flung 1 5 Ro Sham Bo 2 4 Reservoir Fish 1 3 Flying Sourcerors 1 2 Jedi 1 Ro Sham Bo 1 (Cup) Spirit was won by Shooting Stars 1 and the Party prize was won unanimously by Far Flung. Good luck to the top 4 teams who qualified for the nationals next weekend. Wee Jim TD (Ro Sham Bo) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Feb 17 19:17:18 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id TAA03566 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 19:15:49 GMT Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (snowdrop [137.205.192.31]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA03560 for ; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 19:15:46 GMT Received: from portalcp1.chevron.com (portalcp1.chevron.com [207.24.17.2]) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA18767 for ; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 19:15:33 GMT Received: (from uucp@localhost) by portalcp1.chevron.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) id LAA02294 for ; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 11:15:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from orbitcity.chevron.com(146.22.18.253) by portalcp1.chevron.com via smap (V4.2) id xma002013; Wed, 17 Feb 99 11:14:56 -0800 Received: from chvpk-msxb1.sr.chevron.com (chvpk-msxb1.sr.chevron.com [146.27.94.102]) by orbitcity.chevron.com (8.9.2/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA08875 for ; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 11:14:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by chvpk-msxb1.sr.chevron.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 11:14:47 -0800 Message-ID: <19F52E0DF38ED211865600805F31B8F906EC39@cal-msx2.calgary.chevron.com> From: "Batty, Ian (IBAT)" To: "'britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk'" Subject: News from Canada Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 11:14:40 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk This is just to let you know that although VH may not be able to field a team anymore, the next generation of players is being brought along nicely... Born on 11 February Jake Batty Mother and baby doing well Father can't stop grinning Soon to be a Stroller though not able to catch a disc yet. Mainly because he can still fit inside an Ultrastar Cheers from all over here Batty (ex VH, Strollers and others) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Feb 18 16:25:35 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id QAA24870 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 18 Feb 1999 16:23:40 GMT Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (daffodil [137.205.192.30]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA24847 for ; Thu, 18 Feb 1999 16:23:38 GMT Received: from mail-gw1.webleicester.net (mailgate.webleicester.co.uk [195.146.160.12]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA25504 for ; Thu, 18 Feb 1999 16:23:37 GMT Received: from pii266 (pool-pri1-013.webleicester.co.uk [195.146.164.13]) by mail-gw1.webleicester.net (8.9.1/8.9.0) with SMTP id QAA07530 for ; Thu, 18 Feb 1999 16:23:03 GMT Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Thu, 18 Feb 1999 16:23:48 -0000 Message-ID: <01BE5B5B.1020F720.bravil@webleicester.co.uk> From: Ben Ravilious Reply-To: "bravil@webleicester.co.uk" To: "'BRITDISC'" Subject: Calling Phil Cooper / Ow! Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 16:21:26 -0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Can anyone shed any light on Philip Cooper's (Ow! - Oxford) latest email address? philipcooper@teaching.earth.ox.ac.uk just bounced my message. Cheers Ben -----Original Message----- From: Mail Delivery Subsystem [SMTP:MAILER-DAEMON@mail-gw1.webleicester.net] Sent: 17 February 1999 23:47 To: bravil@webleicester.co.uk Subject: Returned mail: User unknown The original message was received at Wed, 17 Feb 1999 23:36:44 GMT from pool-pri2-060.webleicester.co.uk [195.146.164.60] ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- ----- Transcript of session follows ----- ... while talking to teachserv.earth.ox.ac.uk.: >>> RCPT To: <<< 550 ... User unknown 550 ... User unknown ... while talking to oxmail.ox.ac.uk.: >>> QUIT <<< 421 oxmail.ox.ac.uk: Too many concurrent SMTP connections; please try again later ... Deferred: Connection reset by oxmail.ox.ac.uk. From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Feb 18 18:25:47 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id SAA18663 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 18 Feb 1999 18:24:01 GMT Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (daffodil [137.205.192.30]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA18654 for ; Thu, 18 Feb 1999 18:24:00 GMT From: M.J.Jefferson@open.ac.uk Received: from venus.open.ac.uk (venus.open.ac.uk [137.108.143.2]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id SAA11133 for ; Thu, 18 Feb 1999 18:23:59 GMT Received: from judy.open.ac.uk by venus with SMTP Local (MMTA v2.2) with ESMTP; Thu, 18 Feb 1999 17:03:25 +0000 Received: by judy.open.ac.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id <10N019YV>; Thu, 18 Feb 1999 17:06:05 -0000 Message-ID: <594E1092E805D211843F0000F830ED27025A56BE@bell.open.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: One Day Chairty Event Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 16:47:31 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi Folks I have been approached by a woman working for a Japanese newpaper in London to help with a corporate charity event she is organising in a few months. This is building up to something which I think will do our cause a lot of good and so I am looking for volunteers..... As far as I can tell the event will be something along the lines of this: Teams from London firms, including (so far) the Japanese newpaper and GC ACTIVE (can we afford to miss this???) are introduced to less mainstream sports. Kayte has mentioned that the NGB of Lacrosse has confirmed, and she even said something about Kabaddi (!). We would be there as specialists in our sport to give them some training. I'm not sure how the money is raised, exactly, but presumably through sponsorship. It is going to the Parkinson's Disease society. Becuase of the nature of the event, we do this off our own backs, but I think we'll get beer and a barbecue! It will be held somewhere in London on a Sunday. Proposed dates are April 25th, May 2nd, May 30th. I have suggested that May 2nd is not a good weekend, due to Brugge etc, but can find nothing on the diary for the other two dates (but the diary I checked was a few weeks old.) Can I ask all players, particularly London based, to keep these dates free where possible. Potentially, the publicity could be priceless, and the contacts made could really do our cause a lot of good. And it's for charity. And besides these things, it's a great recruiting opportunity for London based teams and training sessions. When I have a confirmed date and venue, I will come back to you with this. Thanks for reading...... Mark Whiplash From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Feb 19 15:51:02 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id PAA07637 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 19 Feb 1999 15:49:36 GMT Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (snowdrop [137.205.192.31]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA07628 for ; Fri, 19 Feb 1999 15:49:30 GMT From: M.J.Jefferson@open.ac.uk Received: from venus.open.ac.uk (venus.open.ac.uk [137.108.143.2]) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA29216 for ; Fri, 19 Feb 1999 15:49:29 GMT Received: from judy.open.ac.uk by venus with SMTP Local (MMTA v2.2) with ESMTP; Fri, 19 Feb 1999 15:28:51 +0000 Received: by judy.open.ac.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id <10N0FPB9>; Fri, 19 Feb 1999 15:31:45 -0000 Message-ID: <594E1092E805D211843F0000F830ED27025A56CC@bell.open.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: London Teams / Training Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 15:28:43 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi Folks I would like a comprehensive list of all regular practices and training sessions within the M25. If such a thing already exists, could someone tell me where it is please? If not, could all responsible people please email me with details of their own sessions? Eternally grateful..... Mark Whiplash If the world should blow itself up, the last audible voice would be that of an expert saying it can't be done. - Peter Ustinov From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sun Feb 21 18:03:24 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id RAA14371 for britdisc-outgoing; Sun, 21 Feb 1999 17:44:48 GMT Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (snowdrop [137.205.192.31]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA14361 for ; Sun, 21 Feb 1999 17:44:45 GMT Received: from mail-gw1.webleicester.net (mailgate.webleicester.co.uk [195.146.160.12]) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA19939 for ; Sun, 21 Feb 1999 17:44:45 GMT Received: from pii266 (pool-pri2-059.webleicester.co.uk [195.146.164.59]) by mail-gw1.webleicester.net (8.9.1/8.9.0) with SMTP id RAA10621 for ; Sun, 21 Feb 1999 17:43:44 GMT Message-ID: <005201be5dc1$e7cb8a60$3ba492c3@pii266> From: "British Ultimate Federation" To: "BRITDISC" Subject: Complete UK Team Contact Details Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 17:44:20 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Dear All, I've finally finished collecting your details! As we have yet to integrate this into the main BUF webpages I thought I would at least make the file available for download. The file is in Excel 97 format. If anyone would like a different format then give me a shout. Also, if you ask me really nicely I can give you the records in descending order of distance from you. Please only ask for this if you really need it (e.g. you're a new team looking for local opposition or you are about to run a tournament). Please supply the postcode you want distances from. This facility will be automated on the website itself soon for teams and individuals. http://www.ultimateweb.co.uk/buf/allteams.xls For the time being I will endeavour to keep this file up to date. Best to get a fresh copy each time you need the data as the details of over 100 teams do not stay the same for very long! Cheers Ben Ravilious BUF Secretary From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Feb 22 08:05:11 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id HAA12910 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 07:47:05 GMT Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (daffodil [137.205.192.30]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA12905 for ; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 07:47:03 GMT Received: from gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (gem [137.205.227.1]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA21248 for ; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 07:47:03 GMT Received: (from serai@localhost) by gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id HAA27773 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 07:47:02 GMT Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 07:47:02 GMT From: Dave Neilson Message-Id: <199902220747.HAA27773@gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: BUF Events Reminder Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk British Ultimate Federation Disc Events Diary --------------------------------------------- The events list can also be found at http://www.dcs.warwick.ac.uk/~ralf/bfdf/ ---------- Saturday 27th February 1999 National Student Indoors (2 days) @ Leeds [Students' Indoor Ultimate] TD Jon Chewins Email bgy6jgc@South-02.novell.leeds.ac.uk Saturday 6th March 1999 Indoor Regionals (2 days) [Indoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Address 81 Bittern Avenue Abbeydale Gloucester GL4 4WG Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Phone 01242 543299 (work) 01452 380529 (home) Saturday 13th March 1999 BDGA Golf - A tier tournament (2 days) @ Essex University, Colchester [Golf] Contact Andy Lucey Phone 0181 7676766 Indoor Regionals (2 days) [Indoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Address 81 Bittern Avenue Abbeydale Gloucester GL4 4WG Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Phone 01242 543299 (work) 01452 380529 (home) Saturday 20th March 1999 Indoor Nationals (2 days) [Indoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Address 81 Bittern Avenue Abbeydale Gloucester GL4 4WG Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Phone 01242 543299 (work) 01452 380529 (home) Saturday 27th March 1999 BDGA Golf: Bristol Spring Fling (2 days) @ Ashton Court, Bristol [Golf] Contact Bud Tilton Phone 0117 9268055 Red Outdoors (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Leicester Ultimate Club (Red) Address PO Box 1075 Leicester LE2 1YQ Email red@ultimateweb.co.uk Phone 0116 2559638 (Ben Ravilious) Saturday 10th April 1999 BDGA Golf: Quarry Park Matchplay (2 days) @ Quarry Park, Leamington [Golf] Contact Derek Robins Email D.J.Robins@admin.warwick.ac.uk Tour I (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Address 81 Bittern Avenue Abbeydale Gloucester GL4 4WG Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Phone 01242 543299 (work) 01452 380529 (home) Saturday 17th April 1999 Dublin Outdoors (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Peter Bennison Email pbennison@sepro.ie Saturday 1st May 1999 BDGA Golf: Scottish Open - A tier tournament (2 days) @ Isle of Mull, Scotland [Golf] Contact Guy Bolton Phone 01688 500249 Student Outdoors (2 days) @ Bakewell, Derbyshire [Students' Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Simon Weeks Address 74 Commonside Sheffeild S10 1GG Email gga95sew@sheffield.ac.uk Phone 0114 266 2304 Brugge: "7th International Tournament" (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate Abroad] Please reply before February 15th to one of the contacts. Contact Glenn Nolf Address Viaduktstraat 6 B8000 Brugge Email Glenn@km.be Fax + 32 59 552780 Phone + 32 50 311705 URL http://www.brugge.com/freezzzbeezzz/ Contact Jan Loontiens Address Zwagershullestraat 7 B9881 Bellem Fax + 32 9 3728614 Phone + 32 9 3750695 Saturday 8th May 1999 Tour II (2 days) @ Sheffield [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Address 81 Bittern Avenue Abbeydale Gloucester GL4 4WG Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Phone 01242 543299 (work) 01452 380529 (home) Thursday 13th May 1999 Rotterdam (4 days) TBC [Outdoor Ultimate Abroad] Saturday 22nd May 1999 BDGA Golf - B tier tournament (2 days) @ Hayling Island [Golf] Contact Dan Massey Email dmassey@westsussex.gov.uk Saturday 5th June 1999 Tour III (2 days) @ Edinburgh [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Address 81 Bittern Avenue Abbeydale Gloucester GL4 4WG Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Phone 01242 543299 (work) 01452 380529 (home) Saturday 12th June 1999 BDGA Golf - A tier tournament (2 days) @ Quarry Park, Leamington [Golf] Contact Derek Robins Email D.J.Robins@admin.warwick.ac.uk Fiesta (2 days) TBC [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Andrew Orr-Ewing Email A.Orr-Ewing@bristol.ac.uk Phone (0117) 9287672 Saturday 26th June 1999 BDGA Golf - B tier tournament (2 days) @ Ashton Court, Bristol [Golf] Contact Bud Tilton Phone 0117 9268055 Tour IV (2 days) @ Southampton [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Address 81 Bittern Avenue Abbeydale Gloucester GL4 4WG Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Phone 01242 543299 (work) 01452 380529 (home) Saturday 17th July 1999 Tour V (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Address 81 Bittern Avenue Abbeydale Gloucester GL4 4WG Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Phone 01242 543299 (work) 01452 380529 (home) Saturday 24th July 1999 BDGA Golf: British Open - A tier tournament (2 days) @ Whitcombe Farm, Dorset [Golf] Contact Toby Green Email toby.green@ibm.net Ross on Wye (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 7th August 1999 Worlds (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate Abroad] Saturday 14th August 1999 Worlds (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate Abroad] Saturday 28th August 1999 BDGA Golf - B tier tournament (2 days) @ TBA, Scotland [Golf] Contact Liam Young Email liamyoung@bigfoot.com Lurkers Tournie (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Clifford Bottomley Email Clifford_Bottomley@Cargill.com Phone 07775 197169 Thursday 9th September 1999 The British Open Championships 1999 (4 days) @ Saffrons, Eastbourne [Outdoor Ultimate] There will be eight pitches in 99! (Max 32 teams) More details will be issued as and when available. Contact Nolan Taylor Address BritOpen 99 Admin Office 3 Wish Road Eastbourne East Sussex BN21 4NX Email open99@daletaylor.co.uk Fax 01323 430223 Phone 01323 430700 URL http://www.tradeworld.co.uk/open99/ Saturday 18th September 1999 BDGA Golf - A tier tournament (2 days) @ Burnlaw [Golf] Contact Oran Villiers-Stuart Email villiers-stuart@lineone.net Saturday 25th September 1999 Nationals (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Address 81 Bittern Avenue Abbeydale Gloucester GL4 4WG Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Phone 01242 543299 (work) 01452 380529 (home) Saturday 9th October 1999 BDGA Golf: Doubles Matchplay (2 days) @ Ashton Court, Bristol [Golf] Contact Bud Tilton Phone 0117 9268055 Saturday 6th November 1999 BDGA Golf: Singles Matchplay (2 days) @ Quarry Park, Leamington (TBC) [Golf] Contact Andy Lucey Phone 0181 7676766 ---------------------------------------------------------- British Ultimate Federation Disc Events Diary http://www.dcs.warwick.ac.uk/~ralf/bfdf/ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Feb 22 10:22:23 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA00417 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 10:19:48 GMT Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (daffodil [137.205.192.30]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA00323 for ; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 10:19:39 GMT Received: from mps1.leeds.ac.uk (mps1.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.16.8]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA03274 for ; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 10:19:35 GMT Received: from south-02.novell.leeds.ac.uk (south-02.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.76.2]) by mps1.leeds.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA01830 for ; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 10:19:01 GMT Received: from LUCS-H12/SpoolDir by south-02.novell.leeds.ac.uk (Mercury 1.43); 22 Feb 99 10:19:05 GMT0BST Received: from SpoolDir by LUCS-H12 (Mercury 1.43); 22 Feb 99 10:13:17 GMT0BST From: "J.Chewins" Organization: University of Leeds To: Britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 10:12:51 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Student Nationals X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.54) Message-ID: <1B346550B49@south-02.novell.leeds.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Teams Thankyou for paying, the tournament is now fully subscribed with the teams who qualified from each region. Maps and stuff are in the post and have been sent to your BUF contact address. The meal has been booked for 7 o'clock on saturday night and will be at Old Orleans. I have booked 22 places, 16 are reserved for one member from each team and the other 6 are open to other people that want to attend. If lots more people want to attend i can increase the number of seats booked but i have to know soon. 3 of the six places have already been taken by teams saying two people want to attend the meal. I don't want anyone who has an interest in this meeting to miss out, so please get in touch if your team wants more than one place or you want to come, etc. See you all (except Jesters) Friday night at the Feast and Firkin Cheers Chewy (Just off to buy the trophies!!) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Feb 22 13:11:13 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id NAA10574 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 13:01:25 GMT Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (snowdrop [137.205.192.31]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA10538 for ; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 13:01:19 GMT From: M.J.Jefferson@open.ac.uk Received: from venus.open.ac.uk (venus.open.ac.uk [137.108.143.2]) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA00275 for ; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 13:01:19 GMT Received: from judy.open.ac.uk by venus with SMTP Local (MMTA v2.2) with ESMTP; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 10:45:35 +0000 Received: by judy.open.ac.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id <10N0F0NZ>; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 10:48:27 -0000 Message-ID: <594E1092E805D211843F0000F830ED27025A56D0@bell.open.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Re: London Training Sessions Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 10:45:26 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Thanks to everone who replied with information about London sessions - I really appreciate the effort. Mark Whiplash From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Feb 22 13:11:37 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id NAA10578 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 13:01:25 GMT Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (snowdrop [137.205.192.31]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA10545 for ; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 13:01:20 GMT From: M.J.Jefferson@open.ac.uk Received: from venus.open.ac.uk (venus.open.ac.uk [137.108.143.2]) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA00281 for ; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 13:01:20 GMT Received: from judy.open.ac.uk by venus with SMTP Local (MMTA v2.2) with ESMTP; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 10:49:01 +0000 Received: by judy.open.ac.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id <10N0F0QK>; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 10:51:56 -0000 Message-ID: <594E1092E805D211843F0000F830ED27025A56D1@bell.open.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Cov. Ultimate Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 10:48:58 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Morning all Anyone in the Coventry area this Saturday (27/2) is invited to an outdoor Ultimate practice from 1200hrs at the University of Warwick. If you know the Campus, it's on the usual pitch behind the sports centre. If you don't know where I mean, drop me a line and I'll give you directions. Hope to see you there..... Mark Whiplash From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Feb 22 18:26:05 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id SAA06662 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 18:24:43 GMT Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (daffodil [137.205.192.30]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA06639 for ; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 18:24:40 GMT Received: from pandora.computing-service.plymouth.ac.uk (plymouth.ac.uk [141.163.2.62]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA19686 for ; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 18:24:39 GMT Received: from csuf43.csd.plym.ac.uk ([141.163.188.1]) by pandora.computing-service.plymouth.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.11 #1) id 10F020-0000gp-00 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 18:24:36 +0000 Received: from CSUF43/SpoolDir by csuf43.csd.plym.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); 22 Feb 99 18:24:02 GMT Received: from SpoolDir by CSUF43 (Mercury 1.44); 22 Feb 99 18:23:39 GMT From: "Ell" Organization: University of Plymouth To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 18:23:35 GMT Subject: Plymouth Indoor Qualifier Message-ID: <217E313757@csuf43.csd.plym.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Dear all, The official deadline for entering the tournament is the 27th February (Saturday). Please could all teams that have expressed an interest get cheques to us asap, and if there is any team out there who would like to come but hasn`t yet contacted us, please let me know. Look forward to hearing from you all, Mark (Picnic) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Feb 22 20:54:04 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id UAA29911 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 20:52:56 GMT Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (daffodil [137.205.192.30]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA29895 for ; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 20:52:50 GMT Received: from mail-gw1.webleicester.net (mailgate.webleicester.co.uk [195.146.160.12]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA02883 for ; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 20:52:48 GMT Received: from pii266 (pool-pri1-006.webleicester.co.uk [195.146.164.6]) by mail-gw1.webleicester.net (8.9.1/8.9.0) with SMTP id UAA04908 for ; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 20:51:42 GMT Message-ID: <010e01be5ea5$588e7b20$08a492c3@pii266> From: "Leicester Ultimate Club" To: "BRITDISC" Subject: Red Outdoor Tournament Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 20:50:43 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Invites for this will go out to all teams shortly. If you would like an invite sent to anyone who is not a team main contact then let me know now. Please save your queries until the invite arrives - Thanks. Ben From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Feb 23 09:24:58 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id JAA01997 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 23 Feb 1999 09:23:58 GMT Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (daffodil [137.205.192.30]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA01978 for ; Tue, 23 Feb 1999 09:23:55 GMT Received: from polaris.kbw.co.uk (dns1.kbw.co.uk [193.132.201.37]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA10059 for ; Tue, 23 Feb 1999 09:23:54 GMT Received: by dns1.kbw.co.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Tue, 23 Feb 1999 09:23:08 -0000 Message-ID: From: Roger Thomson To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Anyone heard of a player called Jesper Snorgaard, possibly from S heffield? Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 09:23:06 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk An old UK player (Sandy Crockett from Strange Blue and Regulators if any of you remember that far back in Ultimate history) now in the States wanted to know what Jesper was like as he's asked to play at the Fools tournament with Sandy's team. Could someone from Sheffield get in touch and let me know if you've heard of him. Thnx in advance, rt From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Feb 23 15:14:17 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id PAA28147 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 23 Feb 1999 15:13:13 GMT Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (snowdrop [137.205.192.31]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA28135 for ; Tue, 23 Feb 1999 15:13:11 GMT From: M.J.Jefferson@open.ac.uk Received: from venus.open.ac.uk (venus.open.ac.uk [137.108.143.2]) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA01321 for ; Tue, 23 Feb 1999 15:13:10 GMT Received: from judy.open.ac.uk by venus with SMTP Local (MMTA v2.2) with ESMTP; Tue, 23 Feb 1999 15:10:07 +0000 Received: by judy.open.ac.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id <10N0GZ32>; Tue, 23 Feb 1999 15:13:03 -0000 Message-ID: <594E1092E805D211843F0000F830ED27025A56F2@bell.open.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: For those with good memories: Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 15:10:03 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi Guys Need your help please..... Can anyone remember the source of the quote: "In Ultimate fitness is important, style is crucial"? I have a feeling it was Australian or American, but can't remember. Please don't bother replying after 5pm today as I need it before I leave work. Cheers Mark From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Feb 23 15:44:55 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id PAA07323 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 23 Feb 1999 15:43:53 GMT Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (snowdrop [137.205.192.31]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA07297 for ; Tue, 23 Feb 1999 15:43:48 GMT Received: from exchpk02.chelt.ac.uk (exchpk02.chelt.ac.uk [194.66.194.6]) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA04018 for ; Tue, 23 Feb 1999 15:43:48 GMT Received: by exchpk02.chelt.ac.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Tue, 23 Feb 1999 15:43:27 -0000 Message-ID: <8102C4585310D211858D0060B01A41337ED2DC@exchpk02.chelt.ac.uk> From: "HUGHES, Chris" To: "'M.J.Jefferson@open.ac.uk'" , britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: RE: For those with good memories: Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 15:43:24 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Wasn't a young Oz Friere involved somewhere in generating that comment? Chris Hughes (man with dubious memory) -----Original Message----- From: M.J.Jefferson@open.ac.uk [SMTP:M.J.Jefferson@open.ac.uk] Sent: 23 February 1999 15:10 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: For those with good memories: Hi Guys Need your help please..... Can anyone remember the source of the quote: "In Ultimate fitness is important, style is crucial"? I have a feeling it was Australian or American, but can't remember. Please don't bother replying after 5pm today as I need it before I leave work. Cheers Mark From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Feb 23 16:00:27 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id PAA11425 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 23 Feb 1999 15:59:29 GMT Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (daffodil [137.205.192.30]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA11404 for ; Tue, 23 Feb 1999 15:59:23 GMT Received: from polaris.kbw.co.uk (dns1.kbw.co.uk [193.132.201.37]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA15053 for ; Tue, 23 Feb 1999 15:59:22 GMT Received: by dns1.kbw.co.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Tue, 23 Feb 1999 15:58:31 -0000 Message-ID: From: Roger Thomson To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: RE: For those with good memories: Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 15:58:28 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk I think it was first coined in a very old copy of Ultimatum describing a picture of ex-Hombres and Shotgunner Andy 'Toyboy' Lucy looking good in his bandana and ironed shorts. I've even still got that copy filed away somewhere if it's needed. Don't know if the quote was poached from somewhere else or not though.. > -----Original Message----- > From: HUGHES, Chris [mailto:CHughes@chelt.ac.uk] > Sent: 23 February 1999 15:43 > To: 'M.J.Jefferson@open.ac.uk'; britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk > Subject: RE: For those with good memories: > > > Wasn't a young Oz Friere involved somewhere in generating > that comment? > > Chris Hughes > (man with dubious memory) > > -----Original Message----- > From: M.J.Jefferson@open.ac.uk [SMTP:M.J.Jefferson@open.ac.uk] > Sent: 23 February 1999 15:10 > To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk > Subject: For those with good memories: > > Hi Guys > > Need your help please..... > > Can anyone remember the source of the quote: "In > Ultimate fitness is > important, style is crucial"? > > I have a feeling it was Australian or American, but > can't remember. > Please don't bother replying after 5pm today as I need > it before I > leave > work. > > Cheers > > > Mark > From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Feb 23 16:12:21 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id QAA14802 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 23 Feb 1999 16:11:22 GMT Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (snowdrop [137.205.192.31]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA14790 for ; Tue, 23 Feb 1999 16:11:18 GMT Received: from exchpk02.chelt.ac.uk (exchpk02.chelt.ac.uk [194.66.194.6]) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA06412 for ; Tue, 23 Feb 1999 16:11:17 GMT Received: by exchpk02.chelt.ac.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Tue, 23 Feb 1999 16:10:57 -0000 Message-ID: <8102C4585310D211858D0060B01A41337ED2DF@exchpk02.chelt.ac.uk> From: "HUGHES, Chris" To: "'M.J.Jefferson@open.ac.uk'" , britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: RE: For those with good memories: Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 16:10:56 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Good work Mark, There's another friend you've just made. Quick biog; Oz Friere - elder brother of Raf, played for Rizla Redskins back in the dark ages, one of the founding fathers of Hombres, and a major driving force behind Shotgun. Has won Nationals more times than you or I have fingers to count on. Chris (still not convinced I'm right - Nolan can you help, or even Oz, are you out there?) -----Original Message----- From: HUGHES, Chris [SMTP:CHughes@chelt.ac.uk] Sent: 23 February 1999 15:43 To: 'M.J.Jefferson@open.ac.uk'; britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: RE: For those with good memories: Wasn't a young Oz Friere involved somewhere in generating that comment? Chris Hughes (man with dubious memory) -----Original Message----- From: M.J.Jefferson@open.ac.uk [SMTP:M.J.Jefferson@open.ac.uk] Sent: 23 February 1999 15:10 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: For those with good memories: Hi Guys Need your help please..... Can anyone remember the source of the quote: "In Ultimate fitness is important, style is crucial"? I have a feeling it was Australian or American, but can't remember. Please don't bother replying after 5pm today as I need it before I leave work. Cheers Mark From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Feb 23 17:03:35 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id RAA29611 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 23 Feb 1999 17:01:44 GMT Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (daffodil [137.205.192.30]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA29595 for ; Tue, 23 Feb 1999 17:01:39 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA26065 for ; Tue, 23 Feb 1999 17:01:38 GMT Received: from [158.152.23.8] (helo=cayman.actix1) by post.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10FLD8-0003Kc-00; Tue, 23 Feb 1999 17:01:30 +0000 Received: by CAYMAN with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <103M2C2Z>; Tue, 23 Feb 1999 16:12:29 -0000 Message-ID: From: Simon Hill To: "'M.J.Jefferson@open.ac.uk'" , britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: RE: For those with good memories: Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 16:12:27 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Was it Sammy? -----Original Message----- From: M.J.Jefferson@open.ac.uk [SMTP:M.J.Jefferson@open.ac.uk] Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 1999 3:10 PM To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: For those with good memories: Hi Guys Need your help please..... Can anyone remember the source of the quote: "In Ultimate fitness is important, style is crucial"? I have a feeling it was Australian or American, but can't remember. Please don't bother replying after 5pm today as I need it before I leave work. Cheers Mark From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Feb 23 18:25:02 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id SAA17581 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 23 Feb 1999 18:23:41 GMT Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (snowdrop [137.205.192.31]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA17575 for ; Tue, 23 Feb 1999 18:23:38 GMT From: Wayne_Retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk Received: from smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk (smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk [62.172.72.68]) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id SAA16435 for ; Tue, 23 Feb 1999 18:23:37 GMT Received: from ccMail by smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk (IMA Internet Exchange 3.01 Enterprise) id 0001C66C; Tue, 23 Feb 99 18:22:43 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 18:21:08 +0000 Message-ID: <0001C66C.CE21337@watsonwyatt.co.uk> Subject: Re: For those with good memories: To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk This is from memory, though I intend to check it all out when I get home: Rog was right about Ultimatum - I too have a copy on file, somewhere - Toby Green was the publisher at the time. The photo mentioned was of RAFI (Oz' little brother) in the days when he had long hair and played Hombres, and captioned (roughly) "Rafi uses all his tentacles to snag the disc". Maybe I'll do a quick scan this evening... As for the quote - it appeared on the front cover of said Ultimatum issue, and was also used elsewhere (inside? or in another issue - maybe for Worlds'94?) - and was definately attributed to Rafi. Wayne Retter From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Feb 23 22:04:24 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id WAA18876 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 23 Feb 1999 22:03:30 GMT Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (snowdrop [137.205.192.31]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA18870 for ; Tue, 23 Feb 1999 22:03:29 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA26748 for ; Tue, 23 Feb 1999 22:03:24 GMT Received: from [158.152.248.177] (helo=phidelta.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 10FPvE-0002IC-00 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Tue, 23 Feb 1999 22:03:21 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 21:25:37 +0000 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: Wayne Retter Subject: Re: For those with good memories: In-Reply-To: <0001C66C.CE21337@watsonwyatt.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (32) Trial Version 3.05 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Apologies to Rog - the Ultimatum issue (no 20, October 1990) does indeed have a photo of Andy 'Toyboy' Lucy below the quote The photo of Rafi that I've been remembering was in issue 22, Feb'92. This latter photo, and the quote both appear in the 1993 Ultimate Calendar, though here the quote is attributed to the Sunday Correspondent - I could have sworn that it's in an interview (for TV?) somewhere, though... Enough sad statting, though looking back over the old memories was fun! Wayne PS: for Randal (with apologies to the rest of you) if you don't like the list, UNSUBSCRIBE if you don't like MY mails, KILLFILE me (or just delete unread!) please, don't waste time for both of us with threats. Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 19:49:44 -0500 Subject: FOR THOSE WITH GOOD MEMORIES From: Randal Faulkner To: Wayne@phidelta.demon.co.uk >listen wayne shut up or i will box your memory out.ok and if you send > one >more email to me i am going to send more of these emails to you.got it > anonomus Is there any particular reason for sending this to my HOME address, rather than replying to my WORK-originated mail? ---------------------------------------------------------------- Wayne Retter From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Feb 24 14:08:22 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id OAA19705 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 24 Feb 1999 14:06:23 GMT Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (snowdrop [137.205.192.31]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA19682 for ; Wed, 24 Feb 1999 14:06:18 GMT Received: from mail.rmplc.net (dns0.rmplc.net [194.238.48.13]) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA11066 for ; Wed, 24 Feb 1999 14:06:18 GMT Received: from acotgreave (hercules.rmplc.co.uk [194.238.48.90]) by mail.rmplc.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA29361 for ; Wed, 24 Feb 1999 14:06:16 GMT Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Wed, 24 Feb 1999 14:05:15 -0000 Message-ID: From: Andy Cotgreave To: "Britdisc (E-mail)" Subject: Flights to Rimini Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 14:05:45 -0000 Organization: RM plc X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hello, This only applies to people who are going to Rimini... Has anyone sorted out cheap/convenient flights to Rimini? I am looking around, and have found a good deal on Expedia.co.uk flying direct to Rimini from Stanstead with Ryanair for 135 or 165 quid. However, they fly mid-afternoon, and I wanted to get an evening flight out to Italy. Anyone got any flights that are different? Thanks, Andy ========== RM plc acotgreave@rmplc.net tel: 01235 823254 From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Feb 24 14:20:42 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id OAA23522 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 24 Feb 1999 14:19:32 GMT Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (snowdrop [137.205.192.31]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA23504 for ; Wed, 24 Feb 1999 14:19:29 GMT From: M.J.Jefferson@open.ac.uk Received: from venus.open.ac.uk (venus.open.ac.uk [137.108.143.2]) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA12298 for ; Wed, 24 Feb 1999 14:19:28 GMT Received: from judy.open.ac.uk by venus with SMTP Local (MMTA v2.2) with ESMTP; Wed, 24 Feb 1999 14:12:28 +0000 Received: by judy.open.ac.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id <10N0HJ6D>; Wed, 24 Feb 1999 14:15:25 -0000 Message-ID: <594E1092E805D211843F0000F830ED27025A5701@bell.open.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Calling Ow! Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 14:12:26 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi Folks Sorry to hijack BD like this, but everyone else does it..... Philip Cooper of Ow! - if you are out there could you please get in touch. The email I have for you failed to deliver and I could do with speaking to you. Cheers Mark Whiplash From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Feb 24 19:34:24 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id TAA03371 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 24 Feb 1999 19:33:09 GMT Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (daffodil [137.205.192.30]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA03362 for ; Wed, 24 Feb 1999 19:33:07 GMT Received: from mail-gw1.webleicester.net (mailgate.webleicester.co.uk [195.146.160.12]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA14659 for ; Wed, 24 Feb 1999 19:33:05 GMT Received: from pii266 (pool-pri2-055.webleicester.co.uk [195.146.164.55]) by mail-gw1.webleicester.net (8.9.1/8.9.0) with SMTP id TAA25254 for ; Wed, 24 Feb 1999 19:31:44 GMT Message-ID: <008201be602c$8c264b60$37a492c3@pii266> From: "Ben Ravilious" To: "BRITDISC" Subject: FW: Swedish Tournament Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 18:56:27 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk This just landed in my in tray. Ben -----Original Message----- From: Alison Arnold To: BUF Date: 24 February 1999 17:24 Subject: BUF Web Page Enquiry You have had the following enquiry via the BUF web site Name: Alison Arnold Address1: Address2: Post Code: Telephone: +46 31 13 88 58 Fax: +46 31 711 44 30 Message: Hi there! I was wondering if you could spread the word about our tournament "Dive Hard" that will be held in Gothenburg, Sweden during the 22, 23 & 24 th of May.The best Swedish, Finnish and German teams will be there and we were hoping some British teams might be interested. I don´t have any e-mail adresses for the teams in Britain so if you can help me spread this information I would be grateful. The tournament is open for Open and womens teams and hopefully people might see it as a "dress rehearsal" before WUCC! For more information regarding the tourney please e-mail me: alison.arnold@factory.fb.se THANKS!!! From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Feb 24 23:15:27 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id XAA05080 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 24 Feb 1999 23:14:36 GMT Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (snowdrop [137.205.192.31]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA05074 for ; Wed, 24 Feb 1999 23:14:35 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA00608 for ; Wed, 24 Feb 1999 23:14:34 GMT Received: from [158.152.248.177] (helo=phidelta.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10FnVg-000Bgb-00 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Wed, 24 Feb 1999 23:14:33 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 22:01:53 +0000 To: BritDisc From: Wayne Retter Subject: FWD: Handler's Trophy 1999 In-Reply-To: <"irafs1.ira.859:24.02.99.19.01.06"@ira.uka.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (32) Trial Version 3.05 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk apologies to those of you who already read EuroDisc... Sounds fun! Wayne Retter Marcel Galema writes >Handler's Trophy 1999 > >This year the first edition of the Handler's Trophy will be organised by >UFO/PVC in Utrecht, The Netherlands. Who will be the best team of handlers? >No longer wait for a cut of the mid, there is none! Neither there's no >foreplayer, so your powerfull huck is useless, unless... your fellow handler >gets it! > >It's a small tournament, lasting only one afternoon (and afterwards you're >happy that it's not a whole weekend!). > >** The facts > >- A team consists of three players. >- No subs are allowed. >- Matches last 15 minutes. >- After a score, the pull must be thrown within 30 secs. >- The field is a regular outdoor Ultimate field >- Max 16 teams can compete >- Everybody plays at least 4 matches: first a poule of 4, then a knock out >system will be used. You play at most 6 matches (when you reach the finals) >- The costs are Dfl 22,50 per team (Euro 10.21) > >** When & where? > >- March 27, from 13:00 until 18:00 hours >- At the (regular) UFO playing fields in Utrecht, The Netherlands >- (Limited) lodging can be arranged > >If you want to subscribe or just want more info, send an e-mail to >marcel.galema@gironet.nl or phone me at +31 - 30 293 8686 > >See the web for more details: >http://www.gironet.nl/home/mgmvdv/handler99.htm > > > >** Organisation >Rene van Kessel >Marcel Galema ---------------------------------------------------------------- Wayne Retter at home: 0181-663-4856 wayne@phidelta.demon.co.uk mobile: 07970-903420 at work: 01737-273611 wayne_retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Feb 24 23:17:01 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id XAA05452 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 24 Feb 1999 23:16:46 GMT Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (snowdrop [137.205.192.31]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA05447 for ; Wed, 24 Feb 1999 23:16:45 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA00757 for ; Wed, 24 Feb 1999 23:16:44 GMT Received: from [158.152.248.177] (helo=phidelta.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10FnXm-000C0A-00 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Wed, 24 Feb 1999 23:16:43 +0000 Message-ID: <$zzWgCAHgI12EwNY@phidelta.demon.co.uk> Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 23:15:19 +0000 To: BritDisc From: Wayne Retter Subject: "Ultimatum Offline" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (32) Trial Version 3.05 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Had so much fun (!) looking back through my old Ultimatum copies, I thought I'd better share... check out http://www.phidelta.demon.co.uk/ultimatum_backissues/index.htm for thumbnails of Ultimatum covers for issues 20 to 35, and links to full size JPG scans Wayne ---------------------------------------------------------------- Wayne Retter at home: 0181-663-4856 wayne@phidelta.demon.co.uk mobile: 07970-903420 at work: 01737-273611 wayne_retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sun Feb 28 23:18:34 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id XAA29463 for britdisc-outgoing; Sun, 28 Feb 1999 23:17:09 GMT Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (daffodil [137.205.192.30]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA29448 for ; Sun, 28 Feb 1999 23:17:03 GMT Received: from maggiore.dsnet.it (maggiore.dsnet.it [195.250.233.15] (may be forged)) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id XAA24640 for ; Sun, 28 Feb 1999 23:17:02 GMT Received: (qmail 7859 invoked from network); 28 Feb 1999 23:16:57 -0000 Received: from dyn214-m-bo.dsnet.it (HELO mailbox.dsnet.it) (195.250.230.214) by maggiore.dsnet.it with SMTP; 28 Feb 1999 23:16:57 -0000 Message-ID: <36D9CDDC.2A0F8A86@mailbox.dsnet.it> Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 00:14:36 +0100 From: Peldi X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc To: "EuroDisc@ira.uka.de" , BritDisc , "itadisc@egroups.com" Subject: Ultilinks, new features Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------A58734C26288AB805FB84371" Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------A58734C26288AB805FB84371 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ciao Ultimate community! 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From: Dave Neilson Message-Id: <199903010747.HAA15997@gem.dcs.warwick.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: BUF Events Reminder Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk British Ultimate Federation Disc Events Diary --------------------------------------------- The events list can also be found at http://www.dcs.warwick.ac.uk/~ralf/bfdf/ ---------- Saturday 6th March 1999 Indoor Regionals (2 days) [Indoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Address 81 Bittern Avenue Abbeydale Gloucester GL4 4WG Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Phone 01242 543299 (work) 01452 380529 (home) Saturday 13th March 1999 BDGA Golf - A tier tournament (2 days) @ Essex University, Colchester [Golf] Contact Andy Lucey Phone 0181 7676766 Indoor Regionals (2 days) [Indoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Address 81 Bittern Avenue Abbeydale Gloucester GL4 4WG Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Phone 01242 543299 (work) 01452 380529 (home) Saturday 20th March 1999 Indoor Nationals (2 days) [Indoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Address 81 Bittern Avenue Abbeydale Gloucester GL4 4WG Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Phone 01242 543299 (work) 01452 380529 (home) Saturday 27th March 1999 BDGA Golf: Bristol Spring Fling (2 days) @ Ashton Court, Bristol [Golf] Contact Bud Tilton Phone 0117 9268055 Red Outdoors (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Leicester Ultimate Club (Red) Address PO Box 1075 Leicester LE2 1YQ Email red@ultimateweb.co.uk Phone 0116 2559638 (Ben Ravilious) Saturday 10th April 1999 BDGA Golf: Quarry Park Matchplay (2 days) @ Quarry Park, Leamington [Golf] Contact Derek Robins Email D.J.Robins@admin.warwick.ac.uk Tour I (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Address 81 Bittern Avenue Abbeydale Gloucester GL4 4WG Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Phone 01242 543299 (work) 01452 380529 (home) Saturday 17th April 1999 Dublin Outdoors (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Peter Bennison Email pbennison@sepro.ie Saturday 1st May 1999 BDGA Golf: Scottish Open - A tier tournament (2 days) @ Isle of 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Contact Glenn Nolf Address Viaduktstraat 6 B8000 Brugge Email Glenn@km.be Fax + 32 59 552780 Phone + 32 50 311705 URL http://www.brugge.com/freezzzbeezzz/ Contact Jan Loontiens Address Zwagershullestraat 7 B9881 Bellem Fax + 32 9 3728614 Phone + 32 9 3750695 Saturday 8th May 1999 Tour II (2 days) @ Sheffield [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Address 81 Bittern Avenue Abbeydale Gloucester GL4 4WG Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Phone 01242 543299 (work) 01452 380529 (home) Thursday 13th May 1999 Rotterdam (4 days) TBC [Outdoor Ultimate Abroad] Saturday 22nd May 1999 BDGA Golf - B tier tournament (2 days) @ Hayling Island [Golf] Contact Dan Massey Email dmassey@westsussex.gov.uk Saturday 5th June 1999 Tour III (2 days) @ Edinburgh [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Address 81 Bittern Avenue Abbeydale Gloucester GL4 4WG Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Phone 01242 543299 (work) 01452 380529 (home) Saturday 12th June 1999 BDGA Golf - A tier tournament (2 days) @ Quarry Park, Leamington [Golf] Contact Derek Robins Email D.J.Robins@admin.warwick.ac.uk Fiesta (2 days) TBC [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Andrew Orr-Ewing Email A.Orr-Ewing@bristol.ac.uk Phone (0117) 9287672 Saturday 26th June 1999 BDGA Golf - B tier tournament (2 days) @ Ashton Court, Bristol [Golf] Contact Bud Tilton Phone 0117 9268055 Tour IV (2 days) @ Southampton [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Address 81 Bittern Avenue Abbeydale Gloucester GL4 4WG Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Phone 01242 543299 (work) 01452 380529 (home) Saturday 17th July 1999 Tour V (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Address 81 Bittern Avenue Abbeydale Gloucester GL4 4WG Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Phone 01242 543299 (work) 01452 380529 (home) Saturday 24th July 1999 BDGA Golf: British Open - A tier tournament (2 days) @ Whitcombe Farm, Dorset [Golf] Contact Toby Green Email toby.green@ibm.net Ross on Wye (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Saturday 7th August 1999 Worlds (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate Abroad] Saturday 14th August 1999 Worlds (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate Abroad] Saturday 28th August 1999 BDGA Golf - B tier tournament (2 days) @ TBA, Scotland [Golf] Contact Liam Young Email liamyoung@bigfoot.com Lurkers Tournie (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Clifford Bottomley Email Clifford_Bottomley@Cargill.com Phone 07775 197169 Thursday 9th September 1999 The British Open Championships 1999 (4 days) @ Saffrons, Eastbourne [Outdoor Ultimate] There will be eight pitches in 99! (Max 32 teams) More details will be issued as and when available. Contact Nolan Taylor Address BritOpen 99 Admin Office 3 Wish Road Eastbourne East Sussex BN21 4NX Email open99@daletaylor.co.uk Fax 01323 430223 Phone 01323 430700 URL http://www.tradeworld.co.uk/open99/ Saturday 18th September 1999 BDGA Golf - A tier tournament (2 days) @ Burnlaw [Golf] Contact Oran Villiers-Stuart Email villiers-stuart@lineone.net Saturday 25th September 1999 Nationals (2 days) [Outdoor Ultimate] Contact Chris Hughes Address 81 Bittern Avenue Abbeydale Gloucester GL4 4WG Email chughes@chelt.ac.uk Phone 01242 543299 (work) 01452 380529 (home) Saturday 9th October 1999 BDGA Golf: Doubles Matchplay (2 days) @ Ashton Court, Bristol [Golf] Contact Bud Tilton Phone 0117 9268055 Saturday 6th November 1999 BDGA Golf: Singles Matchplay (2 days) @ Quarry Park, Leamington (TBC) [Golf] Contact Andy Lucey Phone 0181 7676766 ---------------------------------------------------------- British Ultimate Federation Disc Events Diary http://www.dcs.warwick.ac.uk/~ralf/bfdf/ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Mar 1 08:56:49 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id IAA10235 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 08:55:34 GMT Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (snowdrop [137.205.192.31]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA10230 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 08:55:32 GMT Received: from mail2.lancs.ac.uk (mail2.lancs.ac.uk [148.88.8.13]) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA21730 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 08:55:31 GMT Received: from mail2.lancs.ac.uk (actually host localhost) by mail2.lancs.ac.uk with Local SMTP (PP); Mon, 1 Mar 1999 08:55:14 +0000 Received: from unixb.lancs.ac.uk (unixb.lancs.ac.uk [148.88.16.115]) by mail2.lancs.ac.uk with SpooMTA 1.24; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 08:55:14 +0000 Received: (from nurney@localhost) by unixb.lancs.ac.uk (8.8.4/8.6.12) id IAA17096 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 08:55:09 GMT From: JOANNE NURNEY Message-Id: <199903010855.IAA17096@unixb.lancs.ac.uk> Subject: Sheffield indoors - 6th March To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 08:55:09 +0000 (GMT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Is any team going to this tournament that want a pick up player? If so please get in touch. Thanks Jo From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Mar 1 10:02:39 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA22705 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 10:01:19 GMT Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (daffodil [137.205.192.30]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA22692 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 10:01:16 GMT Received: from civntex2.civ.utwente.nl (civntex2.civ.utwente.nl [130.89.1.25]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA25591 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 10:01:15 GMT Received: by civntex2.civ.utwente.nl with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 11:01:48 +0100 Message-ID: <610BFDE4DCA5D011BF4E00805FC111D4014FDEBA@civntex1.civ.utwente.nl> From: "Hoogendoorn, P.C. (BSK)" To: "'frisbee@win.tue.nl'" , "'EuroDisc@ira.uka.de'" , "'britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk'" Cc: "'pouwels@cs.utwente.nl'" Subject: what happened on Devils' Heaven '99 Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 10:59:45 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hello Frisbeeplayers in Europe, Last weekend 15 teams from the UK, Germany, Belgium and the Netherlands were present on the third Devils' Heaven tournament, organised by the Disc Devils Twente. Only one could win and this year it was UFO. They won the tournament by just winning all their games. Congratulations! The final results are: Spirit of the Game: Blue Arse Flies 1. UFO (NL) 2. Crunch (NL) 3. Frizzly Bears (D) 4. Blue Arse Flies (GB) 5. Freezzz Beezzz (B) 6. Gronical Dizziness (NL) 7. Devil's Evil (NL) 8. Mooncatchers (B) 9. DDT 1 (NL) 10. Icecream Headache (NL) 11. LCF (NL) 12. XLR8RS (B) 13. Spin H (B) 14. DDT 2 (NL) 15. Bellemse Babelutten (B) Thanks to all teams for again a good weekend of ultimate! Paul Hoogendoorn, Disc Devils Twente, Enschede, The Netherlands http://www.student.utwente.nl/~ddt/ From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Mar 1 12:29:44 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA02553 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 12:28:14 GMT Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (daffodil [137.205.192.30]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA02528 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 12:28:11 GMT From: Wayne_Retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk Received: from smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk (smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk [62.172.72.68]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA22054 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 12:28:10 GMT Received: from ccMail by smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk (IMA Internet Exchange 3.01 Enterprise) id 0001F0F7; Mon, 1 Mar 99 12:27:08 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 12:27:16 +0000 Message-ID: <0001F0F7.CE21337@watsonwyatt.co.uk> Subject: FAO: Londoners RE: Tooting tonight To: BritDisc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk I've forgotten to pack my cones... can someone else please bring a set. Wayne Retter From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Mar 1 13:29:00 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id NAA20641 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 13:26:58 GMT Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (snowdrop [137.205.192.31]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA20621 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 13:26:53 GMT From: M.J.Jefferson@open.ac.uk Received: from venus.open.ac.uk (venus.open.ac.uk [137.108.143.2]) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA13215 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 13:26:52 GMT Received: from edison.open.ac.uk by venus with SMTP Local (MMTA v2.2) with ESMTP; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 13:26:17 +0000 Received: by edison.open.ac.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 13:26:15 -0000 Message-ID: <594E1092E805D211843F0000F830ED27025A5727@bell.open.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Calling Village Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 13:26:14 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi, me again Any Village regular please get in touch ASAP. Many thanks Mark Whiplash From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Mar 1 15:13:20 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id PAA17606 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 15:11:41 GMT Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (snowdrop [137.205.192.31]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA17584 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 15:11:37 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA21955 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 15:11:30 GMT Received: from [158.152.203.174] (helo=[158.152.203.174]) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10HULl-0006ks-00 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 15:11:21 +0000 Subject: Mark & Lard mention Date: Mon, 1 Mar 99 15:11:18 +0000 x-sender: ultimatum@pop3.demon.co.uk x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: Paul Hurt To: "BritDisc" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Message-Id: Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hey all Mark and Lard (Radio 1 afternoon show) just said "Hello to everyone recovering from the Student National Ultimate Frisbee Championships in Sheffield this weekend." Jedi got a swift mention. Nice work whoever it was that called them (was it a Glasgow player? Didn't catch the name). Honestly, I am working - I just happen to have R1 in the background at the moment. Waiting for Fat Harry White... Paul --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Hurt Editor, Ultimatum Magazine, London, England editor@ultimatum.demon.co.uk Visit Ultimatum Online... http://www.ultimatum.demon.co.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Mar 1 15:16:33 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id PAA18783 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 15:15:43 GMT Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (daffodil [137.205.192.30]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA18729 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 15:15:35 GMT From: Wayne_Retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk Received: from smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk (smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk [62.172.72.68]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA23145 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 15:15:33 GMT Received: from ccMail by smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk (IMA Internet Exchange 3.01 Enterprise) id 0001F5B9; Mon, 1 Mar 99 15:12:59 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 15:05:23 +0000 Message-ID: <0001F5B9.CE21337@watsonwyatt.co.uk> Subject: Re: Calling Village To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk On behalf of Layout Dreams, could said Villager(s) please also contact me: 0181-663-4856 (evenings/leave a number/message on the ansaphone) LayoutDreams@phidelta.demon.co.uk Wayne Retter PS: Ideally the club treasurer (Jim?)! ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Calling Village Author: M.J.Jefferson@open.ac.uk at ~Internet Date: 01/03/99 13:26 Hi, me again Any Village regular please get in touch ASAP. Many thanks Mark Whiplash From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Mar 1 16:50:45 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id QAA14179 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 16:48:18 GMT Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (snowdrop [137.205.192.31]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA14146 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 16:48:13 GMT From: M.J.Jefferson@open.ac.uk Received: from venus.open.ac.uk (venus.open.ac.uk [137.108.143.2]) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA00393 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 16:48:12 GMT Received: from edison.open.ac.uk by venus with SMTP Local (MMTA v2.2) with ESMTP; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 16:47:56 +0000 Received: by edison.open.ac.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 16:47:52 -0000 Message-ID: <594E1092E805D211843F0000F830ED27025A572C@bell.open.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: MK Regional Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 16:47:48 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk This is a general announcement to any team who has not yet spoken to me but is thinking of entering the MK regional: I will write the schedule this weekend. If I have not heard from you on email by Wednesday then you must contact me by phone on 01229 828586. If you have not confirmed to me by Friday evening that you will be attending then you will miss out. I expact the following teams to turn up. An asterix means I need your cash. BAF Strange Blue Lurkers Red Druids Bears (3 teams) Mr Men * K-niggets * Look at Me Wyld Stallyns UTI * Slipdisc Imperial college * (please confirm) Mohawks Hurricanes Village * Whiplash Fifth Element * (please confirm) Assuming all teams above are definite entries, four spaces remain. Three teams have yet to decide so please hurry. Cheers Mark From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Mar 1 17:09:34 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id RAA17603 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 17:00:20 GMT Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (daffodil [137.205.192.30]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA17496 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 17:00:02 GMT Received: from mps3.leeds.ac.uk (sunserv5.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.16.35]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA11009 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 17:00:00 GMT Received: from south-02.novell.leeds.ac.uk (south-02.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.76.2]) by mps3.leeds.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA16765 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 16:59:58 GMT Received: from LUCS-H12/SpoolDir by south-02.novell.leeds.ac.uk (Mercury 1.43); 1 Mar 99 16:59:58 GMT0BST Received: from SpoolDir by LUCS-H12 (Mercury 1.43); 1 Mar 99 16:59:42 GMT0BST From: "J.Chewins" Organization: University of Leeds To: Britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 16:59:17 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: National Student Finals X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.54) Message-ID: <81A8AA3BAD@south-02.novell.leeds.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk This is going to be a short and sweet tournament report for those of you unfortunate enough to miss out on a really superb weekend of top quality Ultimate. The standard of all the teams was excellent and i believe that any of the teams in the top 8 could have won. However the positions were: 1 Bears 2 Mythago 4 Jedi 3 Phat'eds 5 Ow! 6 Ro Sham Bo 7 Far Flung 8 Mythago 2 9 Skunks Plate 10 Strange Blue 11 Fish 12 Jesters 13 No Frills Spoon 14 Disc Doctors 15 Alien Nation 16 Purple Haze Sprit went to the Fish Party went to Far Flung At the end of the tournament i forgot to say thanks to Si weeks who actually wrote the schedule for the weekend ( sorry Si ). But Thanks. Lost property list: Set of keys with a little Irish Lepricorn on. Black/ V. dark blue Lee shirt/jacket made ofelt like material Pair of black tracksuit bottoms Pair of white Diadora shorts with a yellow stripe. They stink of deep heat! Far flung t shirt White cranfield t shirt Pair of blue Umbro tracksuit bottoms No Frills t shirt Plain black topman t shirt Please can you get in touch so i can arrange how to get these bits back to you. See you all at the outdoors! Cheers Chewy From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Mar 1 17:28:13 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id RAA24907 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 17:27:11 GMT Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (snowdrop [137.205.192.31]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA24895 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 17:27:09 GMT Received: from brockman.tinet.ie (brockman.tinet.ie [159.134.237.30]) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA03622 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 17:27:08 GMT Received: from p159.as1.letterkenny1.tinet.ie ([159.134.252.159] helo=mail1.tinet.ie) by brockman.tinet.ie with smtp (Exim 2.05 #23) id 10HWTB-0006H9-00 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 17:27:06 +0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail and News for Macintosh - 1.5b1 (45) Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 18:36:44 -0500 Subject: frisbee match From: Randal Faulkner To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk there will be a frisbee match in leeds tomorrow anyone that is under16 can play.everybody listen up mark jefferson and wayne retter starred in waynes world you know.If anyone is going to manchester united and inter milan send a report about it From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Mar 1 17:53:24 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id RAA29651 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 17:52:19 GMT Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (daffodil [137.205.192.30]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA29639 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 17:52:16 GMT Received: from mps1.leeds.ac.uk (mps1.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.16.8]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA19060 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 17:52:15 GMT Received: from south-02.novell.leeds.ac.uk (south-02.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.76.2]) by mps1.leeds.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA02982 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 17:52:13 GMT Received: from LUCS-H12/SpoolDir by south-02.novell.leeds.ac.uk (Mercury 1.43); 1 Mar 99 17:52:13 GMT0BST Received: from SpoolDir by LUCS-H12 (Mercury 1.43); 1 Mar 99 17:52:05 GMT0BST From: "J.Chewins" Organization: University of Leeds To: Britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 17:51:44 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Minutes of Student Meeting X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.54) Message-ID: <82882C53F4@south-02.novell.leeds.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk For those of you who were unaware, at the Student Nationals the members of each of the teams present went out for a meal to discuss the present and future state of student Ultimate. Here are the minutes of this meeting: Chairperson: Chris Hughes Students are the grassroots of Ultimate. We need to improve the contacts within the student community. This can be achieved by keeping better membership lists of players who regularly play and also to keep track of players once they have left the institution. 1) Ro Sham Bo statement. This statement comprised of an objection to the misunderstanding of the rules of the student tournament in respects to the eligability of players from first and second teams. It was decided that the misunderstanding was due to a lack of awareness of the actual rules. Therefore next year, when the student co ordinator receives the list of contact addresses for each team, he or she will send out a full list of student eligability rules so that there can be no confusion. 2) BUSA. This discussion was ended before it began. We do not have sports council recognition. We are therfore not eligable for BUSA. 3) Student leagues. It was decided that student leagues are an excellent way forward and will raise the profile of the game within University sports unions. The Scottish league is up and running and shows that it can be done. The league games should take place on Wednesday afternoons. The leagues will be split into the same regions as for the Indoor, except Scotland will remain as it own league and Leeds, York, etc will be integrated into a new northern division. Student regional co ordinators will be incharge of setting up and running these leagues. These co ordinators will be voted for at the student outdoors (see other business) 4) Outdoors. It was suggested that the student outdoors is not big enough to cater for the growing number of student ultimate teams. Nothing was actually decided but the idea of having North and South qualifying outdoor tournaments as a way forward to make sure all teams had chance to get to the Finals, seemed to be encouraged. 5) Grants. Assisting student teams in an informative capacity to help maximise the money they get from their University. It was shown that each University is funded in a different way and so therefore each University Union has its own methods for applying for extra money. The way forward is for members of the team to get into positions of responsibility so that they ahve the say on who gets what within their University. Get as many people asa possible into positions of influence. 6)Freshers Bazzars. Players going to other Universities to help recruit players in to that University team. It is down to an individuals own willingness to go and help out at another University. Students have money and time constraints and therefore cannot be expected to go great distances. Social events are the way forward. Freshers want friends, and socials are a way to introduce them to a new group of freinds aswell as a new sport. Teams need to develop training schedules, so that they can divide the massive influx of new players at the start of term into groups of ability and therfore hopefully keep more of the players interested. The development schedule would allow teams to see how well players are developing and what drills/ teaching methods should be applicable to that stage of their Ultimate development. 7) Coaching Initiatives. Different Universities provide money money for funding coaching. Each University must be treated as an individual case. No real decisions or applicable points were made. 8) Womens Ultimate. Each club needs to have an individual dedicated to the improvement of womens Ultimate. Clubs should be thinking of holding some seperate womens practices and also try to organise womens student Ultimate. Womens Ultimate needs to have a practice in each region, not just London. This is a matter for the whole Ultimate community not just students. Students need to hold more Co ed tournaments. At present their are no co ed student tournaments. Womens Ultimate is prevalent in the South East region and is starting to come on in the North, their needs to be a big push from other regions. 9) Other Business. a) Discussion on whether students should only be allowed to play for the University they attend, this will give them incentive to set up their own University team. An example are the people of Sheffield Hallam playing for Sheffield University. This is legal in the rules of Ultimate, but gives Sheffield University a player base twice the size of other Universities. The Open University will be an exception. No decisions reached. b) A meeting of teams should occur annually at the Student outdoors. More teams attend and it will give people a chance to put their views across and get new club captains intorduced to each other. Here regional co ordinators for the following year will be voted for. c) It appears that a seperate student body of Ultimate seems to be forming. Would it be a possibility to have a seperate britdisc type mailing list for students. It would need someone who is prepared to set up and run this. Si Weeks has offered to put together a list of e mail contacts that he will send out to Univerities. Rachel Jacobs has offered to create a web site for student Ultimate. d) We need to ensure better continuation once students ahve left University. This includes keeping players playing and also making sure the following University team is succesful. e) The point was raised about changing the BUF from a federation to an association. This is not just a student matter and so therfore was not discussed We then went to the Dry Dock for more beers. Chewy From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Mar 1 18:06:08 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id SAA02303 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 18:04:53 GMT Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (snowdrop [137.205.192.31]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA02296 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 18:04:50 GMT From: p.m.connor@open.ac.uk Received: from venus.open.ac.uk (venus.open.ac.uk [137.108.143.2]) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA06287 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 18:04:50 GMT Received: from damson.open.ac.uk by venus with SMTP Local (MMTA v2.2); Mon, 1 Mar 1999 18:04:48 +0000 Received: from 1228584.open.ac.uk by damson.open.ac.uk (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA11926; Mon, 1 Mar 99 18:04:47 GMT Message-Id: <9903011804.AA11926@damson.open.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 18:04:45 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: frisbee match In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk > there will be a frisbee match in leeds tomorrow anyone that is under16 can > play.everybody listen up mark jefferson and wayne retter starred in waynes > world you know.If anyone is going to manchester united and inter milan send > a report about it > Or alternatively watch in on the telly and then make up your own report - and keep it inside your head. Also I think I prefer Mark with his new 'tufty-club' hairstyle rather than anything he might have displayed in that film. regards, pete Mad Kows/Alien Nation From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Mar 1 18:50:12 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id SAA10154 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 18:48:47 GMT Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (snowdrop [137.205.192.31]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA10142 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 18:48:45 GMT From: p.m.connor@open.ac.uk Received: from venus.open.ac.uk (venus.open.ac.uk [137.108.143.2]) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA09088 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 18:48:44 GMT Received: from damson.open.ac.uk by venus with SMTP Local (MMTA v2.2); Mon, 1 Mar 1999 18:48:37 +0000 Received: from 1228584.open.ac.uk by damson.open.ac.uk (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA12048; Mon, 1 Mar 99 18:48:32 GMT Message-Id: <9903011848.AA12048@damson.open.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 18:48:30 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Minutes of Student Meeting In-Reply-To: <82882C53F4@south-02.novell.leeds.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk > 9) Other Business. > > a) Discussion on whether students should only be allowed to play for > the University they attend, this will give them incentive to set up > their own University team. An example are the people of Sheffield > Hallam playing for Sheffield University. This is legal in the rules > of Ultimate, but gives Sheffield University a player base twice the > size of other Universities. The Open University will be an exception. > No decisions reached. Apologies to those on britdisc with no interest in student matters but I'd like to pick up on this point from the student meeting. While I appreciate the exception madefor us few full timers of the OU the point I was trying to make at the meeting was that there are any number of FE and HE institutions that have a much lower number of students and thus have a much smaller base from which to recruit players than the big universities such as Sheffield or Leeds. Cranfield University(Alien Nation) for example struggles to field a team from a the 1000 students studying there, despite the serious effort put in by Aaron Altman. Student teams have recently begun to emerge from these smaller institutes thanks to the efforts of some experienced players, for example Terrace Army at Bedford or Cupid Stunts at Grantham but while these presently seem to enjoy relatively high player attendances this may not always be the case and it seems to me to be an unnecessary imposition in the rules to prevent small teams from joining with others where the alternative may well be not to be able to play at all. If I remember correctly I think it was Si Weeks who suggested that the existence of such a rule would be good for ultimate in that it would force players at universities without teams to build one of their own in order to be able to play at student level. While encouraging the growth of the sport is a worthy end I think the problem with this is twofold, firstly not everyone is cut out for the administration and hassle that it requires, and secondly, and I think more importantly, that the rules governing the sport should be best designed to encourage the greatest opportunity to actually get out and play, they should not exist to tell people what they should be doing with their time off the ultimate pitch. Well done if you've bothered to get this far, Pete Alien Nation/Mad Kows From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Mar 1 19:39:28 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id TAA17796 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 19:38:07 GMT Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (snowdrop [137.205.192.31]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA17789 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 19:38:05 GMT Received: from kodos.tinet.ie (kodos.tinet.ie [159.134.237.29]) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA11642 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 19:38:04 GMT Received: from p178.as1.letterkenny1.tinet.ie ([159.134.252.178] helo=mail1.tinet.ie) by kodos.tinet.ie with smtp (Exim 2.05 #23) id 10HYVu-0004vk-00 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 19:38:03 +0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail and News for Macintosh - 1.5b1 (45) Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 20:47:36 -0500 Subject: re frisbee match From: Randal Faulkner To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk this is for chewy.the frisbee match is at elland at 2oclock and any one is allowed play that is u16 I am 20 so Icant go only people under 16 are allowed in From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Mar 1 19:42:26 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id TAA18492 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 19:42:05 GMT Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (daffodil [137.205.192.30]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA18487 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 19:42:04 GMT Received: from kodos.tinet.ie (kodos.tinet.ie [159.134.237.29]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA01542 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 19:42:03 GMT Received: from p178.as1.letterkenny1.tinet.ie ([159.134.252.178] helo=mail1.tinet.ie) by kodos.tinet.ie with smtp (Exim 2.05 #23) id 10HYZl-00051t-00 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 19:42:02 +0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail and News for Macintosh - 1.5b1 (45) Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 20:51:27 -0500 Subject: re frisbee match From: Randal Faulkner To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk this is for vanessa white there is no places to crash at this place brcause it is a football ground called elland road.Iam 20 what age are you and can Ibe your email boyfriend From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Mar 1 20:34:21 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id UAA25116 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 20:32:48 GMT Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (snowdrop [137.205.192.31]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA25109 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 20:32:46 GMT Received: from kang.tinet.ie (kang.tinet.ie [159.134.237.28]) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA14388 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 20:32:45 GMT Received: from p156.as1.letterkenny1.tinet.ie ([159.134.252.156] helo=mail1.tinet.ie) by kang.tinet.ie with smtp (Exim 2.05 #23) id 10HZMp-0007n4-00 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 20:32:44 +0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail and News for Macintosh - 1.5b1 (45) Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 21:42:16 -0500 Subject: a message for chewy From: Randal Faulkner To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk chey,I rang about the frisbee match and they said that anyone can play sorry about before but you are so lucky send an email and i will give you the details From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Mar 1 22:14:50 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id WAA08121 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 22:14:10 GMT Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (daffodil [137.205.192.30]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA08109 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 22:14:08 GMT Received: from out2.ibm.net (out2.ibm.net [165.87.194.229]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA13283 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 22:14:07 GMT Received: from crmqtsve (slip139-92-72-23.pa.fr.ibm.net [139.92.72.23]) by out2.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id WAA44462 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 22:14:03 GMT Message-Id: <199903012214.WAA44462@out2.ibm.net> From: "Toby Green" To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 23:08:55 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: (Fwd) Re: For those with good memories: Reply-to: toby.green@ibm.net Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk My, don't people get confused! I took the photo of the long-haired, tentacled, Rafi at the Samurai fiesta and it has nothing to do with the quote. The quote appeared in the Sunday Correspondent in their colour supplement which carried a longish article about ultimate. The journalist was citing someone, I think Oz, but definitely a member of the then Hombres dominated GB squad - the journalist was writing the story around the GB squad. I've got a copy of this rare bit of ultimate (and newspaper) trivia, but it's in England, so I can't check. The photo of Toy also has nothing to do with the quote - I used to run quotes as a strapline at the top of the page sometimes, just for fun. I'm glad someone (like Wayne) has a set of those Ultimata I sweated over, and it's nice to hear of someone still interested in the earlier days (the real early days were long before the Corrie ever hit the streets, as Sammy (fit, but never very stylish - so the quote can't ever have been about him!) would remember.) Toby ------- Forwarded Message Follows -------Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 21:25:37 +0000 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: Wayne Retter Subject: Re: For those with good memories: Apologies to Rog - the Ultimatum issue (no 20, October 1990) does indeed have a photo of Andy 'Toyboy' Lucy below the quote The photo of Rafi that I've been remembering was in issue 22, Feb'92. This latter photo, and the quote both appear in the 1993 Ultimate Calendar, though here the quote is attributed to the Sunday Correspondent - I could have sworn that it's in an interview (for TV?) somewhere, though... Enough sad statting, though looking back over the old memories was fun! Wayne PS: for Randal (with apologies to the rest of you) if you don't like the list, UNSUBSCRIBE if you don't like MY mails, KILLFILE me (or just delete unread!) please, don't waste time for both of us with threats. Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 19:49:44 -0500 Subject: FOR THOSE WITH GOOD MEMORIES From: Randal Faulkner To: Wayne@phidelta.demon.co.uk >listen wayne shut up or i will box your memory out.ok and if you send > one >more email to me i am going to send more of these emails to you.got it > anonomus Is there any particular reason for sending this to my HOME address, rather than replying to my WORK-originated mail? ---------------------------------------------------------------- Wayne Retter Toby Green & Claude Jean-Alexis PLEASE NOTE NEW ADDRESS AS FROM 1st FEBRUARY 1999 46 rue de Dunkerque 75009 Paris France Tel: +33 1 40 16 14 11 Fax: +33 1 40 16 11 86 toby.green@ibm.net From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Mar 1 23:17:36 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id XAA15528 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 23:16:53 GMT Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (snowdrop [137.205.192.31]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA15514 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 23:16:50 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA21439 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 23:16:50 GMT Received: from [158.152.248.177] (helo=phidelta.demon.co.uk) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10Hbvc-0000rm-00 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 23:16:49 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 23:13:33 +0000 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: Wayne Retter Subject: Re: frisbee match In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (32) Trial Version 3.05 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Randal Faulkner writes >everybody listen up mark jefferson and wayne retter starred in waynes >world you know. Nope. Not me. I'd have remembered the haircut. Maybe you're thinking about Wayne 'the original' Davey? or Wayne 'what, another one?' Ziants? :) Oh! I DO remember the haircut... W PS: An event in Leeds being organised from Ireland? I'd be mightily impressed... ---------------------------------------------------------------- Wayne 'the other one' Retter From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Mar 2 08:02:13 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id IAA26361 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 08:00:10 GMT Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (snowdrop [137.205.192.31]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA26356 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 08:00:08 GMT Received: from monsoon.dial.pipex.net (monsoon.dial.pipex.net [158.43.128.69]) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA06618 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 08:00:07 GMT Received: (qmail 9515 invoked from network); 2 Mar 1999 08:00:05 -0000 Received: from userk502.uk.uudial.com (HELO default) (193.149.70.78) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 2 Mar 1999 08:00:05 -0000 Message-ID: <000001be645c$f1907e60$4e4695c1@default> Reply-To: "Matthew Lowe" From: "Matthew Lowe" To: Subject: Re: Minutes of Student Meeting Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 21:04:17 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk I am currently studying at college and will hopefully be attending Leeds Met. next year. The suggested rule change would not allow me to play for Jedi. As far as I understand there is no team or any players at Leeds Met. So the local Uni. team would be Jedi. With a rule change like this I would have to make my own team at Leeds Met. which is not a simple task for one person. I would I be able to train 25 new players. I am a great believer of developing ultimate but without the help of others it would be very difficult for one person to set up a team, and they should not be deprived of the chance to play at student level because there Uni. has no team. Maybe such a rule could be used if local students could help smaller Universities. Matt Lowe. Matthew.Lowe@Dial.Pipex.com -----Original Message----- From: p.m.connor@open.ac.uk To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: 01 March 1999 18:51 Subject: Re: Minutes of Student Meeting > 9) Other Business. > > a) Discussion on whether students should only be allowed to play for > the University they attend, this will give them incentive to set up > their own University team. An example are the people of Sheffield > Hallam playing for Sheffield University. This is legal in the rules > of Ultimate, but gives Sheffield University a player base twice the > size of other Universities. The Open University will be an exception. > No decisions reached. Apologies to those on britdisc with no interest in student matters but I'd like to pick up on this point from the student meeting. While I appreciate the exception madefor us few full timers of the OU the point I was trying to make at the meeting was that there are any number of FE and HE institutions that have a much lower number of students and thus have a much smaller base from which to recruit players than the big universities such as Sheffield or Leeds. Cranfield University(Alien Nation) for example struggles to field a team from a the 1000 students studying there, despite the serious effort put in by Aaron Altman. Student teams have recently begun to emerge from these smaller institutes thanks to the efforts of some experienced players, for example Terrace Army at Bedford or Cupid Stunts at Grantham but while these presently seem to enjoy relatively high player attendances this may not always be the case and it seems to me to be an unnecessary imposition in the rules to prevent small teams from joining with others where the alternative may well be not to be able to play at all. If I remember correctly I think it was Si Weeks who suggested that the existence of such a rule would be good for ultimate in that it would force players at universities without teams to build one of their own in order to be able to play at student level. While encouraging the growth of the sport is a worthy end I think the problem with this is twofold, firstly not everyone is cut out for the administration and hassle that it requires, and secondly, and I think more importantly, that the rules governing the sport should be best designed to encourage the greatest opportunity to actually get out and play, they should not exist to tell people what they should be doing with their time off the ultimate pitch. Well done if you've bothered to get this far, Pete Alien Nation/Mad Kows From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Mar 2 09:47:41 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id JAA09156 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 09:46:24 GMT Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (snowdrop [137.205.192.31]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA09151 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 09:46:23 GMT From: M.J.Jefferson@open.ac.uk Received: from venus.open.ac.uk (venus.open.ac.uk [137.108.143.2]) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA12421 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 09:46:22 GMT Received: from edison.open.ac.uk by venus with SMTP Local (MMTA v2.2) with ESMTP; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 09:46:13 +0000 Received: by edison.open.ac.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 09:46:10 -0000 Message-ID: <594E1092E805D211843F0000F830ED27025A5731@bell.open.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: RE: frisbee match Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 09:46:00 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Who is Randal Faulkner? And what have I done to offend him? I take it I'm the tall stupid one, huh? Figures..... Mark Sulking > -----Original Message----- > From: Randal Faulkner [SMTP:ranfaul@tinet.ie] > Sent: 01 March 1999 23:37 > To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk > Subject: frisbee match > > there will be a frisbee match in leeds tomorrow anyone that is under16 can > play.everybody listen up mark jefferson and wayne retter starred in waynes > world you know.If anyone is going to manchester united and inter milan > send > a report about it From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Mar 2 10:26:28 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA18172 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 10:24:52 GMT Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (daffodil [137.205.192.30]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA18162 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 10:24:49 GMT Received: from relay02.esat.net (relay02.esat.net [192.111.39.21]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA25100 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 10:24:48 GMT Received: from (sepro.ie) [193.120.132.131] by relay02.esat.net with smtp id 10HmM0-0008R1-00; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 10:24:45 +0000 Received: from sepro_pbenn [192.168.1.171] by sepro.ie [192.168.1.2] with SMTP (MDaemon.v2.7.SP3.R) for ; Tue, 02 Mar 1999 10:19:39 +0000 From: "Peter Bennison" To: "Britdisc" , "EuroDisc" Subject: Dublin Tournament April 17th-18th Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 10:23:34 -0000 Message-ID: <000701be6496$ba1f2d70$ab01a8c0@sepro_pbenn> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Reply-To: pbennison@sepro.ie Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Just a reminder, the fourth annual (outdoor) Dublin Ultimate tournament will be held on April 17th and 18th. Cost : 60 Irish punts or 5 punts for individual players. Pick up players are especially encouraged to attend. For more information mail : pbennison@sepro.ie Peter Pookas - Dublin Ultimate From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Mar 2 13:56:18 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id NAA11845 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 13:54:25 GMT Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (daffodil [137.205.192.30]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA11826 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 13:54:23 GMT Received: from relay.COLT.NET (kermit.server.COLT.NET [195.110.64.110]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA29400 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 13:54:21 GMT Received: (qmail 25376 invoked from network); 2 Mar 1999 13:58:26 -0000 Received: from ssy-shipbrokers.co.uk (212.36.171.3) by relay.COLT.NET with SMTP; 2 Mar 1999 13:58:26 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <36DBED62.00431@ssyldnapp> Content-Type: Text/Plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 13:53:38 +0000 Subject: colchester golf Organization: SSY London Futures/General From: "Andrew Lucey" X-Mailer: Strategic MRS 2.56.01.0 X-SSLID: 134794 X-Priority: 4 (Low) Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk DAL134794 FROM: SSY SHIPBROKERS LTD LONDON DATE: 02/03/99 TIME: 13:53:40 Colchester Golf- March 13/14th The first tournament of the 14 event BDGA 1999 tour will be at Wivenhoe Park/ University of Essex in Colchester. The event will comprise of 63 holes with an additional 9 hole final for the top 10 positions. As usual, the BDGA would love to see some 'non-golfing' disc players to sample the delights and different challenges of golf.Why not really test your throwing skills..( theres a gauntlet if i've ever seen one). Entry fee- PNDS10 TO bdga members/ PNDS12 non members If you need more info please give me a call Regards- Andy Lucey tel-0181 7676766 From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Mar 2 13:57:05 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id NAA12400 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 13:56:12 GMT Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (daffodil [137.205.192.30]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA12383 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 13:56:08 GMT Received: from renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk (renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk [129.215.13.3]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA29791 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 13:56:07 GMT Received: from eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk (eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk [129.215.13.1]) by renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA09220 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 13:56:04 GMT Received: from SMS-EIGG/SpoolDir by eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk (Mercury 1.43); 2 Mar 99 13:56:04 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by SMS-EIGG (Mercury 1.43); 2 Mar 99 13:56:01 +0000 From: "James Spicer" <9550732@eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 13:55:53 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Rules X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.52) Message-ID: <652B924B7C@eigg.sms.ed.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Dear Britdisc 1). Ro Sham Bo statement. This statement comprised of an >objection to the misunderstanding of the rules of the >student tournament in respects to the eligability of >players from first and second teams. >It was decided that the misunderstanding was due to a >lack of awareness of the actual rules. Therefore next >year, when the student co ordinator receives the list of >contact addresses for each team, he or she will send out a >full list of student eligability rules so that there can >be no confusion. This is right we were objecting to the misunderstanding of the rules comprising over student ultimate, but the minutes so not reflect what actully happened at the weekend and are vague. we feel what occured should be britdisced to everyone, as certain teams have lost out as a result of this misunderstanding of the rule, and it shouldn't be swept under the carpet So: After the first captains meeting a second was called by chewy. We were told that some teams had brought players who had played in second teams over the qualifers weekend and now were fielding those players in there qualifed first team. As far as Ro Sham Bo were aware and this was illegal and had been for many years. (If a player had played in a second team at the qualifers then he/she could not play for a different team in the finals, basically players are rostered) Basically we had to vote there and then whether we should allow these players to play. Our primray objection to allow these teams to field these players was that Sourcrors and then Ro sham bo 2 had quailifed by right BUT PULLED OUT conforming to this rostering rule. To allow the teams to field illegal players was unjust to Sourceors and RSB 2. The captains of each team voted and 2 voted againist these players playing, 6 voted for, 8 abstained. Ro sham bo feel that the vote should never have even taken place and it would seem that the rules after this weekend will be made clear to everyone before the start of next years round. Does anyone from the BUF know the actual written rules (not hear say) for student ulitmate. As far as students in edinburgh are aware the rules are the same for open as well as student ultimate. Have we been wrong for so many years?? The student co ordinator next year and EVERY year should circulate these rules. James Ro Sham Bo J.a.Spicer@sms.ed.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Mar 2 15:29:17 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id PAA06817 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 15:27:45 GMT Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (snowdrop [137.205.192.31]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA06804 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 15:27:42 GMT Received: from dove.cf.ac.uk (dove.cf.ac.uk [131.251.0.52]) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA09096 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 15:27:39 GMT Received: from PARKCF2S.CF.AC.UK by dove.cf.ac.uk with SMTP-LOC (PP); Tue, 2 Mar 1999 15:26:59 +0000 Received: from PARKCF2S/SpoolDir by PARKCF2S.CF.AC.UK (Mercury 1.43); 2 Mar 99 15:26:58 GMT0BST Received: from SpoolDir by PARKCF2S (Mercury 1.43); 2 Mar 99 15:26:29 GMT0BST From: No Frills To: Britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 15:26:27 GMT0BST Subject: Re: Minutes of Student Meeting Reply-to: Nofrillss@cardiff.ac.uk X-mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.41 (NDS, preview) Message-ID: <14BDE68570C@PARKCF2S.CF.AC.UK> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi all, Once simon has sorted out the e-mail list we can start talking about how to do all these changes without bothering the rest of britdisc. Also, appologies for not being at the meeting. However there is an idea I have had that seems to be popular with the people I have mentioned it to. Both to improve student ultimate and this will then reflect on open ultimate also to improve ultimate in the eyes of the universities as this is always important to get more money and support. That is to have a representative tournament. The details of which can be discussed but to have for example a SW,SE,Midlands and North team or SW,WALES,SE,SCOTLAND,NORTH and MIDLANDS teams and have one training session each and pick a team with nominated captains/managers who are students and then have a big tournament and try and get some publicity. What do we think. Reply to my own account with ideas as people who check this teand to detete everything. Barnarddw@cardiff.ac.uk DAVE - student co-ordinator From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Mar 2 15:35:37 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id PAA08824 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 15:35:03 GMT Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (snowdrop [137.205.192.31]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA08814 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 15:35:00 GMT Received: from crane.cf.ac.uk (crane.cf.ac.uk [131.251.0.45]) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA09745 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 15:34:59 GMT Received: from PARKCF2S.CF.AC.UK by crane.cf.ac.uk with SMTP-LOC (PP); Tue, 2 Mar 1999 15:34:46 +0000 Received: from PARKCF2S/SpoolDir by PARKCF2S.CF.AC.UK (Mercury 1.43); 2 Mar 99 15:34:43 GMT0BST Received: from SpoolDir by PARKCF2S (Mercury 1.43); 2 Mar 99 15:34:15 GMT0BST From: No Frills To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 15:34:10 GMT0BST Subject: Re: Minutes of Student Meeting Reply-to: Nofrillss@cardiff.ac.uk X-mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.41 (NDS, preview) Message-ID: <14BFF7A610B@PARKCF2S.CF.AC.UK> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Sorry to bother the whole of britdisc again. About the question of players from other universities playing for there teams. There has never been a problem unless the other university has enough players to field there own teams - this relys on spirit as with many of the other rule. The problem that I have had is that the universities themselves will not let the "other" univeristy play. As in Cardiff university's AU would not let Univeristy of Wales institute Cardiff players play for us. As a consequence those players now no longer play. I think it would be better for ultimate if players from the larger uni team went to the uni where there are few players and tried to help set up the team there. This would hughely increase the ammount of uni teams in the country. Dave - Student co-ordinator From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Mar 2 16:20:27 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id QAA21438 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 16:18:21 GMT Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (daffodil [137.205.192.30]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA21429 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 16:18:19 GMT Received: from spuggie.cen.brad.ac.uk (spuggie.cen.brad.ac.uk [143.53.238.24]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA26449 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 16:18:18 GMT Received: from kite.cen.brad.ac.uk (bjsilcoc@kite.cen.brad.ac.uk [143.53.238.22]) by spuggie.cen.brad.ac.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id QAA10472 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 16:18:09 GMT Received: from localhost (bjsilcoc@localhost) by kite.cen.brad.ac.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id QAA06669 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 16:18:03 GMT Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 16:18:03 +0000 (BST) From: Is it Ben? X-Sender: bjsilcoc@kite.cen.brad.ac.uk To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Players for Sheffield? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi Folks I have just recieved word that one of my players is not feeling too well. She wants to play at sheffield this weekend but would like 1 or 2 more substitutes. So If your not doing anything this weekend and fancy a jolly jape in sheffield then come along - otherwise this poor wee soul is going to have to play without subing off much! Cheers ears Ben S O.B.O Bradford Disciples ***************************************************************************** bjsilcoc@bradford.ac.uk (01274) 413650 \|/ o * Mild Mannored Janitors L Disciples _______(OH! MY HEAD) BOB ~ ***************************************************************************** From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Mar 2 16:24:00 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id QAA22913 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 16:22:23 GMT Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (snowdrop [137.205.192.31]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA22868 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 16:22:17 GMT Received: from brockman.tinet.ie (brockman.tinet.ie [159.134.237.30]) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA15222 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 16:22:16 GMT Received: from p155.as1.letterkenny1.tinet.ie ([159.134.252.155] helo=mail1.tinet.ie) by brockman.tinet.ie with smtp (Exim 2.05 #23) id 10Hrvq-0000fe-00 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 16:22:07 +0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail and News for Macintosh - 1.5b1 (45) Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 17:31:48 -0500 Subject: re frisbee match From: Randal Faulkner To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk who is mark jefferson and what have i done to offend him.he is so stupid From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Mar 2 16:41:18 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id QAA28562 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 16:39:10 GMT Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (daffodil [137.205.192.30]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA28535 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 16:39:07 GMT Received: from hotmail.com (f22.hotmail.com [207.82.251.202]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id QAA28830 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 16:39:03 GMT Received: (qmail 8617 invoked by uid 0); 2 Mar 1999 16:38:53 -0000 Message-ID: <19990302163853.8616.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 158.125.14.130 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 02 Mar 1999 08:38:50 PST X-Originating-IP: [158.125.14.130] From: "Chris Hughes" To: Britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Helping teams to start Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 08:38:50 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk A suggestion was made at the student development meeting for teams within a close proximity to help out each other at Freshers Bazaars, I don`t see why this can`t carry across to the starting of teams at Uni`s which have no teams. If Youth players that are going on to such a Uni can pass that info. onto Ben (BUF Secretary) and also ask the nearest teams for help, then more teams can be developed. Hence Jedi can you help Matt Lowe out at Leeds and if you need further help, just give me a call. Cheers Chris 'no longer beardy' Hughes ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Mar 2 16:43:39 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id QAA29904 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 16:43:13 GMT Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (daffodil [137.205.192.30]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA29894 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 16:43:11 GMT From: Wayne_Retter@watsonwyatt.co.uk Received: from smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk (smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk [62.172.72.68]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id QAA29390 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 16:43:10 GMT Received: from ccMail by smtpmail.watsonwyatt.co.uk (IMA Internet Exchange 3.01 Enterprise) id 00020482; Tue, 2 Mar 99 16:42:06 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 16:42:31 +0000 Message-ID: <00020482.CE21337@watsonwyatt.co.uk> Subject: (Indoors) Rostering/Eligibility To: BritDisc Cc: Chris Hughes Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Chris Having seen the various "want a team" / "need players" messages circulating re: Sheffield this coming w/e, and the student controversy concerning the player eligibility misunderstandings, I'd humbly suggest that you post a wee message describing the rostering requirements/restrictions (if any) that will be imposed on the BUF Indoor Regional / National Championships that occur over the next month or so. Wayne Retter PS: Last year, some of the Regional event TDs weren't aware that the events had rostering requirements/restrictions! From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Mar 2 17:05:35 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id RAA05203 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 17:04:15 GMT Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (snowdrop [137.205.192.31]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA05170 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 17:04:09 GMT Received: from beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk (beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.129.138]) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA21683 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 17:04:06 GMT Received: from cedar.sucs.soton.ac.uk (cedar.sucs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.128.92]) by beech.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.8/relay-02) with ESMTP id RAA19803 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 17:04:05 GMT Received: from soton.ac.uk (maggie.aero.soton.ac.uk [152.78.240.162]) by cedar.sucs.soton.ac.uk (8.8.8/relay-02) with ESMTP id QAA06337 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 16:42:30 GMT Message-ID: <36DC15B4.950736F5@soton.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 16:45:40 +0000 From: Paul Schuricht X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.5 sun4m) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: BritDisc Mailing List Subject: Re: Minutes of Student Meeting Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk No Frills wrote: > > Sorry to bother the whole of britdisc again. > > About the question of players from other universities playing for > there teams. > > There has never been a problem unless the other university has enough > players to field there own teams - this relys on spirit as with many > of the other rule. > > The problem that I have had is that the universities themselves will > not let the "other" univeristy play. > > As in Cardiff university's AU would not let Univeristy of Wales > institute Cardiff players play for us. As a consequence those players > now no longer play. I think it would be better for ultimate if > players from the larger uni team went to the uni where there are few > players and tried to help set up the team there. This would hughely > increase the ammount of uni teams in the country. > > Dave - Student co-ordinator We have a similar situation here in Southampton. But I have found that the AU here only knows as much about what goes on at tournaments as we tell them. Some one else posted something about getting members of the ultimate team on the AU committee (or whatever group decides about the distribution of money) to help get funds. If you haven't got anyone on the committee don't worry, just make sure you keep in good contact with the AU president. Just visit every week or so to let them know what is going on. seeya Sonic From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Mar 2 17:34:00 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id RAA10350 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 17:27:57 GMT Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (snowdrop [137.205.192.31]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA10335 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 17:27:54 GMT Received: from pandora.computing-service.plymouth.ac.uk (plymouth.ac.uk [141.163.2.62]) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA23810 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 17:27:54 GMT Received: from csuf43.csd.plym.ac.uk ([141.163.188.1]) by pandora.computing-service.plymouth.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.11 #1) id 10HsxL-0002E2-00 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 17:27:43 +0000 Received: from CSUF43/SpoolDir by csuf43.csd.plym.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); 2 Mar 99 17:26:35 GMT Received: from SpoolDir by CSUF43 (Mercury 1.44); 2 Mar 99 17:26:15 GMT From: "Ell" Organization: University of Plymouth To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 17:26:15 GMT Subject: Plymouth Qualifiers Message-ID: <8B3E480574@csuf43.csd.plym.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi everyone, The confirmed teams for the tournament on the 13/14th March are: Picnic 1 Picnic 2 Picnic 3 Night Fever 1 Night Fever 2 I`ll Have A "D" Please Bob PDQ 1 PDQ 2 Skunks 1 Skunks 2 Uriel 1 Uriel 2 UWE (TBC) Slow White (TBC) No Frills (TBC) We have 4 places left, and I will be finalising the schedule by next Wednesday, so any cheques by then at the latest (10th March). See you all at the tournament, Mark (Picnic) From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Mar 2 18:03:32 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id SAA19237 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 18:01:21 GMT Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (daffodil [137.205.192.30]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA19226 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 18:01:17 GMT Received: from exchpk02.chelt.ac.uk (exchpk02.chelt.ac.uk [194.66.194.6]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA07086 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 18:01:17 GMT Received: by exchpk02.chelt.ac.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 18:00:58 -0000 Message-ID: <8102C4585310D211858D0060B01A41337ED307@exchpk02.chelt.ac.uk> From: "HUGHES, Chris" To: "'Britdisc'" Subject: Rostering For Indoors Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 18:00:57 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk To all those concerned; To clarify some points about National Indoors - A player can only play for ONE team in indoor regionals and nationals. You do not have to play at both. You can play at Regionals and then not play at Nationals. You can pick up at Nationals if you have not played for any team at regionals. To clarify about club teams - you cannot change between a first or second team (or any other team) between Regionals and Nationals - so ensure you have enough players in case people get injured or ill. There will be no exceptions made. To ensure this; teams will be required to complete a roster at regionals - you will be given a sheet at the captains meeting. You will, as described above, be allowed to add people to your roster at a later date, as long as they have not been included on anyone else's roster. If you have any doubts about your eligibility to play, please contact me first before you get you or your team disqualified. Chris Hughes Director of Competitions From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Mar 2 20:43:16 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id UAA15423 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 20:42:05 GMT Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (daffodil [137.205.192.30]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA15418 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 20:42:03 GMT Received: from mail-gw1.webleicester.net (mailgate.webleicester.co.uk [195.146.160.12]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA16949 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 20:42:02 GMT Received: from pii266 (pool-pri2-060.webleicester.co.uk [195.146.164.60]) by mail-gw1.webleicester.net (8.9.1/8.9.0) with SMTP id UAA02100 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 20:39:53 GMT Message-ID: <00c201be64ed$32102c20$3ca492c3@pii266> From: "Ben Ravilious" To: Subject: Re: Minutes of Student Meeting Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 20:28:16 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Sounds like you guys did good. On the subject of point (d) and also your opening paragraph, I hope I will be able to offer some progress in keeping in touch with students more effectively. Its fairly obvious that a lot of student players graduate and then just 'dissappear'. It would be madness not to try and capitalise on university recruitment like this. As you may know one of my plans which Scott is trying to realise is a proper on-line address book which individuals as well as teams can use to stay in touch. I think it would be a great resource to be able to contact anyone in any area. Clearly there are privacy and maintenance issues with this but I think these can be overcome. My hope is that a website visitor will be able to type in their postcode and get a list of the nearest teams and players. Imagine how this might help the formation of new teams. In the future this could also become the basis of a proper membership database too. Apologies that I didn't make it to your meeting - there weren't suitable trains. Keep it going. Ben BUF Secretary -----Original Message----- From: J.Chewins To: Britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: 01 March 1999 18:01 Subject: Minutes of Student Meeting For those of you who were unaware, at the Student Nationals the members of each of the teams present went out for a meal to discuss the present and future state of student Ultimate. Here are the minutes of this meeting: Chairperson: Chris Hughes Students are the grassroots of Ultimate. We need to improve the contacts within the student community. This can be achieved by keeping better membership lists of players who regularly play and also to keep track of players once they have left the institution. 1) Ro Sham Bo statement. This statement comprised of an objection to the misunderstanding of the rules of the student tournament in respects to the eligability of players from first and second teams. It was decided that the misunderstanding was due to a lack of awareness of the actual rules. Therefore next year, when the student co ordinator receives the list of contact addresses for each team, he or she will send out a full list of student eligability rules so that there can be no confusion. 2) BUSA. This discussion was ended before it began. We do not have sports council recognition. We are therfore not eligable for BUSA. 3) Student leagues. It was decided that student leagues are an excellent way forward and will raise the profile of the game within University sports unions. The Scottish league is up and running and shows that it can be done. The league games should take place on Wednesday afternoons. The leagues will be split into the same regions as for the Indoor, except Scotland will remain as it own league and Leeds, York, etc will be integrated into a new northern division. Student regional co ordinators will be incharge of setting up and running these leagues. These co ordinators will be voted for at the student outdoors (see other business) 4) Outdoors. It was suggested that the student outdoors is not big enough to cater for the growing number of student ultimate teams. Nothing was actually decided but the idea of having North and South qualifying outdoor tournaments as a way forward to make sure all teams had chance to get to the Finals, seemed to be encouraged. 5) Grants. Assisting student teams in an informative capacity to help maximise the money they get from their University. It was shown that each University is funded in a different way and so therefore each University Union has its own methods for applying for extra money. The way forward is for members of the team to get into positions of responsibility so that they ahve the say on who gets what within their University. Get as many people asa possible into positions of influence. 6)Freshers Bazzars. Players going to other Universities to help recruit players in to that University team. It is down to an individuals own willingness to go and help out at another University. Students have money and time constraints and therefore cannot be expected to go great distances. Social events are the way forward. Freshers want friends, and socials are a way to introduce them to a new group of freinds aswell as a new sport. Teams need to develop training schedules, so that they can divide the massive influx of new players at the start of term into groups of ability and therfore hopefully keep more of the players interested. The development schedule would allow teams to see how well players are developing and what drills/ teaching methods should be applicable to that stage of their Ultimate development. 7) Coaching Initiatives. Different Universities provide money money for funding coaching. Each University must be treated as an individual case. No real decisions or applicable points were made. 8) Womens Ultimate. Each club needs to have an individual dedicated to the improvement of womens Ultimate. Clubs should be thinking of holding some seperate womens practices and also try to organise womens student Ultimate. Womens Ultimate needs to have a practice in each region, not just London. This is a matter for the whole Ultimate community not just students. Students need to hold more Co ed tournaments. At present their are no co ed student tournaments. Womens Ultimate is prevalent in the South East region and is starting to come on in the North, their needs to be a big push from other regions. 9) Other Business. a) Discussion on whether students should only be allowed to play for the University they attend, this will give them incentive to set up their own University team. An example are the people of Sheffield Hallam playing for Sheffield University. This is legal in the rules of Ultimate, but gives Sheffield University a player base twice the size of other Universities. The Open University will be an exception. No decisions reached. b) A meeting of teams should occur annually at the Student outdoors. More teams attend and it will give people a chance to put their views across and get new club captains intorduced to each other. Here regional co ordinators for the following year will be voted for. c) It appears that a seperate student body of Ultimate seems to be forming. Would it be a possibility to have a seperate britdisc type mailing list for students. It would need someone who is prepared to set up and run this. Si Weeks has offered to put together a list of e mail contacts that he will send out to Univerities. Rachel Jacobs has offered to create a web site for student Ultimate. d) We need to ensure better continuation once students ahve left University. This includes keeping players playing and also making sure the following University team is succesful. e) The point was raised about changing the BUF from a federation to an association. This is not just a student matter and so therfore was not discussed We then went to the Dry Dock for more beers. Chewy From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Mar 3 13:27:43 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id NAA24473 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 13:25:39 GMT Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (snowdrop [137.205.192.31]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA24449 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 13:25:35 GMT From: M.J.Jefferson@open.ac.uk Received: from venus.open.ac.uk (venus.open.ac.uk [137.108.143.2]) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA20206 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 13:25:34 GMT Received: from edison.open.ac.uk by venus with SMTP Local (MMTA v2.2) with ESMTP; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 13:25:31 +0000 Received: by edison.open.ac.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 13:25:29 -0000 Message-ID: <594E1092E805D211843F0000F830ED27025A574A@bell.open.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: MK Regionals - Enquiries Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 13:25:20 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk B/D - As of 1530hrs today I am on the run. Anyone who needs to contact me desperately will have to do so on the following number: 01229 828586. The regular contact info - home and work / email still apply, but will not get replies until Monday. I should also take this opportunity to point out that I am a non-smoker of three days, and any pointless harrassment will be met with the irritable, nervous, aggressive disposition of one who needs more drugs than he is currently getting. Be warned. Leave me alone Jim. See you all soon Mark PS - exploding Crunchies are ace..... From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Mar 3 13:28:43 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id NAA25023 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 13:28:06 GMT Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (daffodil [137.205.192.30]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA25006 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 13:28:04 GMT Received: from curlew.cs.man.ac.uk (curlew.cs.man.ac.uk [130.88.13.7]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA11020 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 13:28:04 GMT Received: from fs1.eng.man.ac.uk ([130.88.29.100]) by curlew.cs.man.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #2) for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk id 10IBgu-0006Pv-00; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 13:28:00 +0000 Received: from UK-AC-MAN-ENG-FS1/SpoolDir by fs1.eng.man.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); 3 Mar 99 13:27:59 BST Received: from SpoolDir by UK-AC-MAN-ENG-FS1 (Mercury 1.43); 3 Mar 99 13:27:45 BST From: "P.P.Guest" Organization: University of Manchester To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 13:27:43 BST Subject: Re: Minutes of Student Meeting X-mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.31 Message-ID: Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk > Sorry to bother the whole of britdisc again. > > About the question of players from other universities playing for > there teams. > > The problem that I have had is that the universities themselves will > not let the "other" univeristy play. Hi all, this is my first britdisc post so I'll try make it relevant. I've been playing for Fingers 6 for 3 years now despite being at Manchester University not the Met because there was and still is no University Team. I looked into setting up a Uni team with Ian Cuddihy at the end of my first year but was told that to get ANY support from the AU we would need two years full accounts & AGM minutes etc. This includes no chance of regular (cheap) training slots, no travel subsidies or any of the other perks for established teams which priced it out of our beer depleted pockets. Given that we could play on for Fingers it seemed more sensible to us that we just stick to that. As the Met AU don't really know about (and might not like) Uni players playing for a Met team there hasn't been any chance to do much recruitment at the Uni freshers fairs. I guess that when I graduate this year, the chances are that that will be the end of Manc Uni (as opposed to Met) ultimate participation which seems a shame. I guess the point I want to make is that the student politics involved in joint teams and the setting up of a separate team tend to get in the way of a new sport's expansion. Cheers, Paul (fingers 6) ------------------------------- Paul Guest University of Manchester P.P.Guest@stud.man.ac.uk MBGA5PPG@fs1.eng.man.ac.uk From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Mar 3 14:06:12 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id OAA04369 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 14:04:39 GMT Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (daffodil [137.205.192.30]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA04360 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 14:04:37 GMT From: M.J.Jefferson@open.ac.uk Received: from venus.open.ac.uk (venus.open.ac.uk [137.108.143.2]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA17896 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 14:04:36 GMT Received: from edison.open.ac.uk by venus with SMTP Local (MMTA v2.2) with ESMTP; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 14:02:49 +0000 Received: by edison.open.ac.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 14:02:47 -0000 Message-ID: <594E1092E805D211843F0000F830ED27025A574D@bell.open.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Regional Rosters Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 14:02:39 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk This was originally going just to you Chris, but as your server keeps returning my messages it looks like fate wanted this as an open discussion..... We all understand - I think - why teams should be required to roster their regional entries. I won't bore you by repeating the arguments. I agree with them. But there are situations where the rules - designed to promote and protect a level playing field for all teams - disadvantage some teams - particularly students. Strange Blue (I hope you don't mind me speaking about this Dora) have worked really hard to put a second team together for the regionals. It is a specifically student-related issue that this second team (or third, or fourth) will consist of freshers, beginners etc who do not get as many opportunities to compete. In fielding multiple teams clubs may be stretching their human resources to the point where, if a first team player is injured, there is no one left to replace them. So what should they do? Only take one team, to guarantee replacements if needed, or take the second team, knowing that if the firsts qualify but suffer injury they may have to give up their space at the nationals? There is no easy solution. As you have pointed out, Chris, by allowing players to switch teams you run the risk of large clubs attempting to flood the Nationals. But I do think we should think about this seriously. One suggestion - by no means fool-proof - is to allow teams a designated number of nominated reserves - one or two players who must be with that club, who are allowed to play in the regionals with one team but then take up their reserve place in the Nationals if required. This will probably only help student clubs anyway - there are very few non student clubs who put in multiple teams - and by limiting the number of reserves you largely prevent a team from amassing hundreds of pick-ups for the finals. I'm always far too enthusiastic, and I'm sure a hundred people will tell me why this can't work. But discuss it quickly and sensibly and see if we can't reach some sort of solution for teams like Strange Blue - it is in our sport's best interests to help, rather than discourage, teams after all. Thanks for reading this far..... Mark Whiplash From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Mar 3 14:36:16 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id OAA11112 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 14:32:09 GMT Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (snowdrop [137.205.192.31]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA11099 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 14:32:06 GMT Received: from kestrel.mcg.gla.ac.uk (kestrel.mcg.gla.ac.uk [130.209.192.8]) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA25973 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 14:32:05 GMT Received: from mcg1.mcg.gla.ac.uk (mcg1.mcg.gla.ac.uk [130.209.192.26]) by kestrel.mcg.gla.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA10036 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 14:25:52 GMT Received: from MCG1/SpoolDir by mcg1.mcg.gla.ac.uk (Mercury 1.40); 3 Mar 99 14:32:03 +1100 Received: from SpoolDir by MCG1 (Mercury 1.40); 3 Mar 99 14:31:53 +1100 From: "David Grayson" Organization: Multimedia Communications Group To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 14:31:47 gmt+1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Regional Rosters X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.40) Message-ID: Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Just to agree with Mark. Last year at least three teams at nationals were seriously affected by not being able to promote B team players to cover injuries etc. I believe this devalued the quality of nationals as clubs playerd ironman instead of having a B team player as a sub. In most sport you can refuel at a pit stop. Should 2 teams from one club qualify then they can be treated as separate and not permit switching between teams. The other (slightly more radical) alternative would be to consider Nationals as a competition between the top 24 clubs in GB. Therefore don't allow second teams to qualify. Seems to me this takes away a lot of the incentive for certain second teams to play hard at regionals however so I wouldn't be in favour of it. Having said all that - rules were set a few weeks ago and regionals teams will have been picked on the basis of those rules so perhaps we should be discussing a change for next year? Dave. Mud Culture. > From: M.J.Jefferson@open.ac.uk > To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk > Subject: Regional Rosters > Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 14:02:39 -0000 > This was originally going just to you Chris, but as your server keeps > returning my messages it looks like fate wanted this as an open > discussion..... > > We all understand - I think - why teams should be required to roster their > regional entries. I won't bore you by repeating the arguments. I agree > with them. But there are situations where the rules - designed to promote > and protect a level playing field for all teams - disadvantage some teams - > particularly students. Strange Blue (I hope you don't mind me speaking > about this Dora) have worked really hard to put a second team together for > the regionals. It is a specifically student-related issue that this second > team (or third, or fourth) will consist of freshers, beginners etc who do > not get as many opportunities to compete. In fielding multiple teams clubs > may be stretching their human resources to the point where, if a first team > player is injured, there is no one left to replace them. So what should > they do? Only take one team, to guarantee replacements if needed, or take > the second team, knowing that if the firsts qualify but suffer injury they > may have to give up their space at the nationals? > > There is no easy solution. As you have pointed out, Chris, by allowing > players to switch teams you run the risk of large clubs attempting to flood > the Nationals. But I do think we should think about this seriously. One > suggestion - by no means fool-proof - is to allow teams a designated number > of nominated reserves - one or two players who must be with that club, who > are allowed to play in the regionals with one team but then take up their > reserve place in the Nationals if required. This will probably only help > student clubs anyway - there are very few non student clubs who put in > multiple teams - and by limiting the number of reserves you largely prevent > a team from amassing hundreds of pick-ups for the finals. > > I'm always far too enthusiastic, and I'm sure a hundred people will tell me > why this can't work. But discuss it quickly and sensibly and see if we > can't reach some sort of solution for teams like Strange Blue - it is in our > sport's best interests to help, rather than discourage, teams after all. > > Thanks for reading this far..... > > > > Mark > Whiplash > From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Mar 3 15:49:53 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id PAA28028 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 15:44:41 GMT Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (snowdrop [137.205.192.31]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA28014 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 15:44:37 GMT From: M.J.Jefferson@open.ac.uk Received: from venus.open.ac.uk (venus.open.ac.uk [137.108.143.2]) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA02095 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 15:44:37 GMT Received: from edison.open.ac.uk by venus with SMTP Local (MMTA v2.2) with ESMTP; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 15:43:48 +0000 Received: by edison.open.ac.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 15:43:44 -0000 Message-ID: <594E1092E805D211843F0000F830ED27025A5755@bell.open.ac.uk> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Outdoor Ultimate Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 15:43:42 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Sorry guys, you must be sick of the sight of my typing today..... Same as last week - outdoor Ultimate session this week for anyone not attending regionals. 12noon, University of Warwick (pitch behind Sports Hall.) Everyone welcome. Last two weeks have been warm, sunny, calm - perfect conditions. Cheers. Hope you can make it..... From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Mar 3 16:26:32 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id QAA06940 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 16:21:43 GMT Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (daffodil [137.205.192.30]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA06919 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 16:21:39 GMT Received: from mailgw.chelt.ac.uk (mailgw.chelt.ac.uk [194.81.184.203]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA09048 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 16:21:22 GMT Received: from exchpk02.chelt.ac.uk (exchpk02.chelt.ac.uk [194.66.194.6]) by mailgw.chelt.ac.uk (Integralis SMTPRS 2.0.15) with ESMTP id ; Wed, 03 Mar 1999 16:09:57 +0000 Received: by exchpk02.chelt.ac.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 16:11:49 -0000 Message-Id: <8102C4585310D211858D0060B01A41337ED30C@exchpk02.chelt.ac.uk> From: "HUGHES, Chris" To: "'Taylor, Ruth (Bass PLC)'" Cc: "'Britdisc'" Subject: RE: Indoor Regionals Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 16:11:46 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk The reason for the format change in the now so called regionals really came about because last year no-one in the south-east region organised a qualifying competition. I could foresee this happening again. In organising regionals I need to get a sensible number of teams to each qualifying tournament to make it financially viable to run (why should a TD foot a 200gbp loss to allow you to play?) So if I have fewer tournaments then they are cheaper and people don't complain about the cost. But then they start complaining about how far they have to travel, and why can't they go to another regions tournament because it's a more suitable weekend - so now you have free choice. This is also complicated by determining the location of indoor teams - some are spread over a number of regions, some are close to the edge of a region, eg - Oxford; traditionally in the South-west region would have to travel for five hours to Plymouth instead of the 45 mins to MK. Now you have free choice. I will also be allocating the qualifying slots - before this weekend the first qualifying tournament - depending on tournament size and relative strength. Eg (and this is just an example - not finalised yet) Plymouth has 12 teams - they get 3 slots; MK has 24 teams - they get six slots since they have twice as many teams, Scot, 16 teams - 4 slots, North 24 teams - 6 slots. That makes 19 qualifying slots. Nationals can cope with 24 teams, so I am left with 5 slots to award to the different regions based on their relative strength - so you have an equal chance of qualifying in which ever region. Yes, you could go to Plymouth and see if you can increase your chances of qualifying, but irrelevant of how the system works there will never be an equal strength in regions. All the teams in the MK tournament are reasonably local (i.e. don't have a closer tournament). I would like to have held traditional regional events - but that can't happen if very few people (4) can be bother to organise a tournament. Chris DoC -----Original Message----- From: Taylor, Ruth (Bass PLC) [SMTP:Ruth.Taylor@bass.com] Sent: 3 March 1999 15:11 To: 'HUGHES, Chris' Subject: Indoor Regionals Chris, Just a little question!! Why has the format for the Indoor Regionals been changed? The reason for this question is this: We (RED) have put a team in to the Milton Keynes regional because we felt it was probably the easiest to get to from our nice central position. However, when I say, "we (RED)" I'm not talking about our RED first team, I am talking about a team of similar standard as has been fielded so far this season, made up of a couple of first team players, but also a few beginners. Now, I know that this team cannot expect to qualify for the Nationals under normal circumstances, but having seen the line-up for the MK tournament, our chances are even smaller, I would even go as far as to say that we would probably get shat on from a great height by almost every team on there. "Where's the problem?" I hear you ask. Well, there wasn't really one, until I saw the line-up for the Plymouth qualifier, and it has to be said, that we would have a much bigger hope of getting a few points on the board and probably even winning a few (no disrespect to those teams intended) if we had entered this tournament instead. I know we would certainly enjoy that tournament more, even if we still couldn't qualify, because there is nothing fun about losing in such a way as is likely in MK. Next year, if the format stays the same, I will definitely be considering changing the tournament we enter (I thought about it for this one too, I dunno how possible it would be having already entered) in order to avoid playing all the big teams. I don't know if anyone else has spotted this flaw, but if they do, it will end up being separate tournaments for each standard as people cotton on to the fact that they have a better chance of qualification at an event further away, therefore making the qualifiers a bit of a farce and the Nationals not a true a representation of the best teams. I think it will be like that anyway this year to be honest. I realise that you will allocate places taking this into account, but you can't not allocate places to teams in a particular qualifier can you?! Also what will the winners of each qualifier be? It used to be that they were Regional Champions, this can't be the case now. Ruth (RED)